Rumour mill: Osvaldo linked again despite Poch denials

Daily Echo: Dani Osvaldo Dani Osvaldo

INTER Milan are still being linked with a move to take Dani Osvaldo back to Italy - despite Saints boss Mauricio Pochettino denying the speculation yesterday.

The Daily Mail claim Inter will step up their efforts to land Osvaldo by offering Columbian midfielder Fredy Guarin as part of the deal.

The Daily Telegraph earlier this week stated that Chelsea missed out on signing Guarin this month after the Italian club confirmed the player is no longer for sale.

Piero Ausilio, Inter's sporting director, was quoted as saying Guarin will remain at the San Siro with Chelsea believed not to be willing to pay the £15m asking price.

Ausilio said: “Guarin is an Inter player and we are happy to keep him.”

Guarin, 27, has featured in all 18 of Inter’s Serie A games this season, scoring three goals.

For his part Pochttino has again denied any desire to see Osvaldo leave the club.

“He is very happy here, he has been training very well,” he reported.

“He is very expectant to be fulfilling his contract here. He is also expecting the birth of his son and is expecting his son to grow up in England.

“I am very sorry about all these rumours happening right now, but they are just not true.”

When asked whether Osvaldo has suffered from a weight of expectation due to how much club paid for him he reflected: “I don’t think he was an expensive player, I would say.

"If you look at the prices in the market, I don't think he was an expensive player.

"If you look at the price to his quality, he is a cheap player. I don't mean cheap in a negative way, I mean he is value for money.

"The hardest thing has been his adaptation to the league, that has been the most troubling thing and something he has been working on.”

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9:27am Fri 10 Jan 14

only1chopper says...

Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend.
I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince.
And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it!
There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.
Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend. I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince. And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it! There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please. only1chopper

9:46am Fri 10 Jan 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

the only part of your comment that made good sense was the last sentence.
the only part of your comment that made good sense was the last sentence. Stroppy_gramps

9:58am Fri 10 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

I will believe these rumours after they come true, until then I will treat them with contempt they deserve.
I will believe these rumours after they come true, until then I will treat them with contempt they deserve. OSPREYSAINT

10:23am Fri 10 Jan 14

St Retford says...

Ozzie will be fine. I stake my reputation on it.
Ozzie will be fine. I stake my reputation on it. St Retford

10:26am Fri 10 Jan 14

Prit says...

Why would anyone give any credence to anything written by the Mail ?
Why would anyone give any credence to anything written by the Mail ? Prit

10:49am Fri 10 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

St Retford wrote:
Ozzie will be fine. I stake my reputation on it.
Yes but will he be enough for a top 6 challenge? Will he really transform that much? I'd be inclined to cash in and get my money back whilst we still can and have a good look elsewhere. Same with Gaston.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Ozzie will be fine. I stake my reputation on it.[/p][/quote]Yes but will he be enough for a top 6 challenge? Will he really transform that much? I'd be inclined to cash in and get my money back whilst we still can and have a good look elsewhere. Same with Gaston. Seedhouse the Unrepentant

11:10am Fri 10 Jan 14

Sadoldgitte says...

Not an expensive player? He is in terms of what we pay.
Not an expensive player? He is in terms of what we pay. Sadoldgitte

11:15am Fri 10 Jan 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

St Retford wrote:
Ozzie will be fine. I stake my reputation on it.
Retford, you live in Manchester, read the Guardian, use long words and refuse to add a smily face when using irony. You don't have a reputation on these threads.

:-)))))))
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Ozzie will be fine. I stake my reputation on it.[/p][/quote]Retford, you live in Manchester, read the Guardian, use long words and refuse to add a smily face when using irony. You don't have a reputation on these threads. :-))))))) Strasbourg Saint

11:22am Fri 10 Jan 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

only1chopper wrote:
Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend.
I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince.
And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it!
There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.
Then we would have a good championship team! Astori would be quality, Ince maybe but Ings? Seriously? No. Keep Osvaldo and Ramirez and bring in Astori and maybe Banega and we would have a team worthy of the Premier and European football when everyone is fit.
[quote][p][bold]only1chopper[/bold] wrote: Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend. I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince. And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it! There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.[/p][/quote]Then we would have a good championship team! Astori would be quality, Ince maybe but Ings? Seriously? No. Keep Osvaldo and Ramirez and bring in Astori and maybe Banega and we would have a team worthy of the Premier and European football when everyone is fit. Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child

11:26am Fri 10 Jan 14

Alicesdad says...

Poch has spoken so listen.

So lets wait for the next piece of manufactured fiction.
Poch has spoken so listen. So lets wait for the next piece of manufactured fiction. Alicesdad

11:51am Fri 10 Jan 14

Alicesdad says...

I think we should set up a permanent thread.. much like the Transfer Rumour Round Up .. using the title

"Can you imagine Nicola Cortese doing this ..... "

We have had a starter for ten with the front page news about Crawley Town using Twitter to canvass fans opinion.

My thoughts are :

.. Selling Osvaldo in January ? ... NO
.. Being messed around by local tradesmen .. NO
.. Meeting MLT in the Joshua tree for a swift half... NO
.. Using Twitter ! ..... seriously ?
.. Making the Daily Echo the clubs shirt sponsors .... NO
.. Creating the best youth Academy in Europe.. YES
.. Leading the club into the Champions league within 3 years.. YES
.. Remaining the most professional CEO of any club in the Premiership .. DONE THAT ALREADY


add your own
I think we should set up a permanent thread.. much like the Transfer Rumour Round Up .. using the title "Can you imagine Nicola Cortese doing this ..... " We have had a starter for ten with the front page news about Crawley Town using Twitter to canvass fans opinion. My thoughts are : .. Selling Osvaldo in January ? ... NO .. Being messed around by local tradesmen .. NO .. Meeting MLT in the Joshua tree for a swift half... NO .. Using Twitter ! ..... seriously ? .. Making the Daily Echo the clubs shirt sponsors .... NO .. Creating the best youth Academy in Europe.. YES .. Leading the club into the Champions league within 3 years.. YES .. Remaining the most professional CEO of any club in the Premiership .. DONE THAT ALREADY add your own Alicesdad

12:07pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Velleity says...

St Retford wrote:
Ozzie will be fine. I stake my reputation on it.
Why such a small stake?
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Ozzie will be fine. I stake my reputation on it.[/p][/quote]Why such a small stake? Velleity

12:18pm Fri 10 Jan 14

DisplacedFan says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Ozzie will be fine. I stake my reputation on it.
Retford, you live in Manchester, read the Guardian, use long words and refuse to add a smily face when using irony. You don't have a reputation on these threads.

:-)))))))
But is that not a reputation?
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Ozzie will be fine. I stake my reputation on it.[/p][/quote]Retford, you live in Manchester, read the Guardian, use long words and refuse to add a smily face when using irony. You don't have a reputation on these threads. :-)))))))[/p][/quote]But is that not a reputation? DisplacedFan

12:20pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Alicesdad wrote:
I think we should set up a permanent thread.. much like the Transfer Rumour Round Up .. using the title

"Can you imagine Nicola Cortese doing this ..... "

We have had a starter for ten with the front page news about Crawley Town using Twitter to canvass fans opinion.

My thoughts are :

.. Selling Osvaldo in January ? ... NO
.. Being messed around by local tradesmen .. NO
.. Meeting MLT in the Joshua tree for a swift half... NO
.. Using Twitter ! ..... seriously ?
.. Making the Daily Echo the clubs shirt sponsors .... NO
.. Creating the best youth Academy in Europe.. YES
.. Leading the club into the Champions league within 3 years.. YES
.. Remaining the most professional CEO of any club in the Premiership .. DONE THAT ALREADY


add your own
Dealing professionally with the Cluttgate thing ...... debate!
Employing the best manager to manage Saints since Big Mac ...... YES!
Annoying Tebourba into submission ....... YES!
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I think we should set up a permanent thread.. much like the Transfer Rumour Round Up .. using the title "Can you imagine Nicola Cortese doing this ..... " We have had a starter for ten with the front page news about Crawley Town using Twitter to canvass fans opinion. My thoughts are : .. Selling Osvaldo in January ? ... NO .. Being messed around by local tradesmen .. NO .. Meeting MLT in the Joshua tree for a swift half... NO .. Using Twitter ! ..... seriously ? .. Making the Daily Echo the clubs shirt sponsors .... NO .. Creating the best youth Academy in Europe.. YES .. Leading the club into the Champions league within 3 years.. YES .. Remaining the most professional CEO of any club in the Premiership .. DONE THAT ALREADY add your own[/p][/quote]Dealing professionally with the Cluttgate thing ...... debate! Employing the best manager to manage Saints since Big Mac ...... YES! Annoying Tebourba into submission ....... YES! Strasbourg Saint

12:20pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Confucious says...

The club have issued an official rumour saying the Ossie rumour is nothing more than a rumour which just keeps going in one ear and in another. However, they have also issued an unofficial rumour saying the official rumour about the Ossie rumour, whilst being more than an unofficial rumour, is also just a rumour.

Mrs Wilson told me it's rumoured that this afternoon an unofficial official rumour will be issued in an attempt to clear up the confusion caused by issuing an unofficial rumour that an official rumour about rumours has greater credibility than an official rumour regarding unofficial rumours about rumours.

To stress the importance of the matter I told her that Retford has staked his reputation on the original rumour being nothing more than a rumour, but she said the club won't give a sh!te about that as Retford's reputation at St Marys is actually sh!te.

These are difficult times. As far as I can tell from analysing posts on here, the difference between gossip and news is whether you are hearing it or telling it.
The club have issued an official rumour saying the Ossie rumour is nothing more than a rumour which just keeps going in one ear and in another. However, they have also issued an unofficial rumour saying the official rumour about the Ossie rumour, whilst being more than an unofficial rumour, is also just a rumour. Mrs Wilson told me it's rumoured that this afternoon an unofficial official rumour will be issued in an attempt to clear up the confusion caused by issuing an unofficial rumour that an official rumour about rumours has greater credibility than an official rumour regarding unofficial rumours about rumours. To stress the importance of the matter I told her that Retford has staked his reputation on the original rumour being nothing more than a rumour, but she said the club won't give a sh!te about that as Retford's reputation at St Marys is actually sh!te. These are difficult times. As far as I can tell from analysing posts on here, the difference between gossip and news is whether you are hearing it or telling it. Confucious

12:20pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Marchwood Malcom says...

I think he really wants to make a go of it here, but if he or his wife haven't settled and things don't click for him on the pitch he could want out. He's got things to prove and if he wanted away so quickly it would damage his reputation no end. People would label him as not being able to cut it in the Premiership, and let's be honest he came with some baggage regarding his volatile side. He'll stay put. My worry is that a lack of transfer funds in the future could lead to NC or Poch taking a walk. We had NC and Kathrine butting heads in the summer over this very subject, who's to say that not qualifying for Europe would mean Kathrine tightening the purse strings! She'll want some sort of return at the end of this rainbow of investment.
I think he really wants to make a go of it here, but if he or his wife haven't settled and things don't click for him on the pitch he could want out. He's got things to prove and if he wanted away so quickly it would damage his reputation no end. People would label him as not being able to cut it in the Premiership, and let's be honest he came with some baggage regarding his volatile side. He'll stay put. My worry is that a lack of transfer funds in the future could lead to NC or Poch taking a walk. We had NC and Kathrine butting heads in the summer over this very subject, who's to say that not qualifying for Europe would mean Kathrine tightening the purse strings! She'll want some sort of return at the end of this rainbow of investment. Marchwood Malcom

12:31pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

DisplacedFan wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Ozzie will be fine. I stake my reputation on it.
Retford, you live in Manchester, read the Guardian, use long words and refuse to add a smily face when using irony. You don't have a reputation on these threads.

:-)))))))
But is that not a reputation?
True! Maybe Retford should have staked something more significant than his reputation.

What was it Blackadder once said in referrence to Nelson?

"Baldrick, that's the stupidest thing I've heard since Lord Nelson, at the Battle of Trafalgar, raised the signal: 'England knows Lady Hamilton is a Virgin, cut my arm off and poke out my eye if I'm wrong.'"
[quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Ozzie will be fine. I stake my reputation on it.[/p][/quote]Retford, you live in Manchester, read the Guardian, use long words and refuse to add a smily face when using irony. You don't have a reputation on these threads. :-)))))))[/p][/quote]But is that not a reputation?[/p][/quote]True! Maybe Retford should have staked something more significant than his reputation. What was it Blackadder once said in referrence to Nelson? "Baldrick, that's the stupidest thing I've heard since Lord Nelson, at the Battle of Trafalgar, raised the signal: 'England knows Lady Hamilton is a Virgin, cut my arm off and poke out my eye if I'm wrong.'" Strasbourg Saint

12:34pm Fri 10 Jan 14

SouthLondonSaint says...

Gaston to go, Dani to stay. Simple.
Gaston to go, Dani to stay. Simple. SouthLondonSaint

12:35pm Fri 10 Jan 14

newthm says...

Marchwood Malcom wrote:
I think he really wants to make a go of it here, but if he or his wife haven't settled and things don't click for him on the pitch he could want out. He's got things to prove and if he wanted away so quickly it would damage his reputation no end. People would label him as not being able to cut it in the Premiership, and let's be honest he came with some baggage regarding his volatile side. He'll stay put. My worry is that a lack of transfer funds in the future could lead to NC or Poch taking a walk. We had NC and Kathrine butting heads in the summer over this very subject, who's to say that not qualifying for Europe would mean Kathrine tightening the purse strings! She'll want some sort of return at the end of this rainbow of investment.
Cortese and the Liebherrs were not 'Butting Heads' in the summer over finances, that was just more trash journalism.....

It was in NC's contract to renegotiate his contract last summer - simple as that and it was done professionally with no fuss. It was only the trashy tabloids that spun it differently!
[quote][p][bold]Marchwood Malcom[/bold] wrote: I think he really wants to make a go of it here, but if he or his wife haven't settled and things don't click for him on the pitch he could want out. He's got things to prove and if he wanted away so quickly it would damage his reputation no end. People would label him as not being able to cut it in the Premiership, and let's be honest he came with some baggage regarding his volatile side. He'll stay put. My worry is that a lack of transfer funds in the future could lead to NC or Poch taking a walk. We had NC and Kathrine butting heads in the summer over this very subject, who's to say that not qualifying for Europe would mean Kathrine tightening the purse strings! She'll want some sort of return at the end of this rainbow of investment.[/p][/quote]Cortese and the Liebherrs were not 'Butting Heads' in the summer over finances, that was just more trash journalism..... It was in NC's contract to renegotiate his contract last summer - simple as that and it was done professionally with no fuss. It was only the trashy tabloids that spun it differently! newthm

12:48pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

newthm wrote:
Marchwood Malcom wrote:
I think he really wants to make a go of it here, but if he or his wife haven't settled and things don't click for him on the pitch he could want out. He's got things to prove and if he wanted away so quickly it would damage his reputation no end. People would label him as not being able to cut it in the Premiership, and let's be honest he came with some baggage regarding his volatile side. He'll stay put. My worry is that a lack of transfer funds in the future could lead to NC or Poch taking a walk. We had NC and Kathrine butting heads in the summer over this very subject, who's to say that not qualifying for Europe would mean Kathrine tightening the purse strings! She'll want some sort of return at the end of this rainbow of investment.
Cortese and the Liebherrs were not 'Butting Heads' in the summer over finances, that was just more trash journalism.....

It was in NC's contract to renegotiate his contract last summer - simple as that and it was done professionally with no fuss. It was only the trashy tabloids that spun it differently!
So, what you're saying is that the 'butting head' thing last Summer wasn't an official rumour, nor was it an unofficial rumour, it was, like Retford's SMS reputation, just a pile of sh!te?
[quote][p][bold]newthm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marchwood Malcom[/bold] wrote: I think he really wants to make a go of it here, but if he or his wife haven't settled and things don't click for him on the pitch he could want out. He's got things to prove and if he wanted away so quickly it would damage his reputation no end. People would label him as not being able to cut it in the Premiership, and let's be honest he came with some baggage regarding his volatile side. He'll stay put. My worry is that a lack of transfer funds in the future could lead to NC or Poch taking a walk. We had NC and Kathrine butting heads in the summer over this very subject, who's to say that not qualifying for Europe would mean Kathrine tightening the purse strings! She'll want some sort of return at the end of this rainbow of investment.[/p][/quote]Cortese and the Liebherrs were not 'Butting Heads' in the summer over finances, that was just more trash journalism..... It was in NC's contract to renegotiate his contract last summer - simple as that and it was done professionally with no fuss. It was only the trashy tabloids that spun it differently![/p][/quote]So, what you're saying is that the 'butting head' thing last Summer wasn't an official rumour, nor was it an unofficial rumour, it was, like Retford's SMS reputation, just a pile of sh!te? Strasbourg Saint

12:54pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Tony in Liberia says...

Here's a thought - maybe the thinking behind Gaston is to have him in place for when we reach Europe, and play him in those sorts of games that everyone seems to think he would be more suited for - European ones. They say you need two teams if you are in the Champions League/Europa cup, so maybe our plan is to build hte all-conquering European one around Gaston?

Just a thought ...
Here's a thought - maybe the thinking behind Gaston is to have him in place for when we reach Europe, and play him in those sorts of games that everyone seems to think he would be more suited for - European ones. They say you need two teams if you are in the Champions League/Europa cup, so maybe our plan is to build hte all-conquering European one around Gaston? Just a thought ... Tony in Liberia

1:10pm Fri 10 Jan 14

only1chopper says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
the only part of your comment that made good sense was the last sentence.
really, so you think gaston and osvaldo will set the premiership alight then? I truly hope they do, but i just cant see it.
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: the only part of your comment that made good sense was the last sentence.[/p][/quote]really, so you think gaston and osvaldo will set the premiership alight then? I truly hope they do, but i just cant see it. only1chopper

1:16pm Fri 10 Jan 14

only1chopper says...

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
only1chopper wrote:
Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend.
I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince.
And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it!
There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.
Then we would have a good championship team! Astori would be quality, Ince maybe but Ings? Seriously? No. Keep Osvaldo and Ramirez and bring in Astori and maybe Banega and we would have a team worthy of the Premier and European football when everyone is fit.
Ings, he is playing well, and i bet you said, Lambert, really? when we signed him. I suggest you start watching some more football, and banega, no, he would struggle like the aforementioned.
[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]only1chopper[/bold] wrote: Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend. I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince. And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it! There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.[/p][/quote]Then we would have a good championship team! Astori would be quality, Ince maybe but Ings? Seriously? No. Keep Osvaldo and Ramirez and bring in Astori and maybe Banega and we would have a team worthy of the Premier and European football when everyone is fit.[/p][/quote]Ings, he is playing well, and i bet you said, Lambert, really? when we signed him. I suggest you start watching some more football, and banega, no, he would struggle like the aforementioned. only1chopper

1:35pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Churchill Saint says...

only1chopper wrote:
Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend.
I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince.
And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it!
There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.
spend a lot of time on Football Manager do you?
[quote][p][bold]only1chopper[/bold] wrote: Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend. I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince. And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it! There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.[/p][/quote]spend a lot of time on Football Manager do you? Churchill Saint

1:35pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Some say Europa would stretch our squad to far and have a negative impact on league form like Swansea and Newcastle. Well why not give the games to Jesus, he gets the cup games to manage. He can give the fringe, reserves and youth a run out without stretching the squad and also those coming back from injury or loss of form. If we go out in the first round so what.
Some say Europa would stretch our squad to far and have a negative impact on league form like Swansea and Newcastle. Well why not give the games to Jesus, he gets the cup games to manage. He can give the fringe, reserves and youth a run out without stretching the squad and also those coming back from injury or loss of form. If we go out in the first round so what. Seedhouse the Unrepentant

1:35pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

only1chopper wrote:
Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
only1chopper wrote:
Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend.
I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince.
And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it!
There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.
Then we would have a good championship team! Astori would be quality, Ince maybe but Ings? Seriously? No. Keep Osvaldo and Ramirez and bring in Astori and maybe Banega and we would have a team worthy of the Premier and European football when everyone is fit.
Ings, he is playing well, and i bet you said, Lambert, really? when we signed him. I suggest you start watching some more football, and banega, no, he would struggle like the aforementioned.
Nope, I saw lambert play and thought, "this bloke is quality, but he has no pace." Now I realise he doesn't need pace, his quality more than makes up for it. His touch, his calmness on the ball, his vision, his ability to bring other's into play, his goals; the man is a legend. I watch every Saints game mate and more besides. Ings is a good championship player no more. Ince has potential but unproven at the highest level. Astori is an Italian international and proven in Serie A. Banega is an Argentinian international and proven in La Liga. You on the other hand are, as your post suggest, inexperienced and rather dim-witted.
[quote][p][bold]only1chopper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]only1chopper[/bold] wrote: Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend. I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince. And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it! There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.[/p][/quote]Then we would have a good championship team! Astori would be quality, Ince maybe but Ings? Seriously? No. Keep Osvaldo and Ramirez and bring in Astori and maybe Banega and we would have a team worthy of the Premier and European football when everyone is fit.[/p][/quote]Ings, he is playing well, and i bet you said, Lambert, really? when we signed him. I suggest you start watching some more football, and banega, no, he would struggle like the aforementioned.[/p][/quote]Nope, I saw lambert play and thought, "this bloke is quality, but he has no pace." Now I realise he doesn't need pace, his quality more than makes up for it. His touch, his calmness on the ball, his vision, his ability to bring other's into play, his goals; the man is a legend. I watch every Saints game mate and more besides. Ings is a good championship player no more. Ince has potential but unproven at the highest level. Astori is an Italian international and proven in Serie A. Banega is an Argentinian international and proven in La Liga. You on the other hand are, as your post suggest, inexperienced and rather dim-witted. Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child

1:40pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

LeslieWWhite wrote:
my roomate's mom makes 67 Dollar an hour on the internet. She has been fired from work for eight months but last month her pay was17009 Dollar just working on the internet for a few hours. this website... www.Day37.com
his roommate's mum earns plenty dollar on the internet and can love you long time if you actually meet her
[quote][p][bold]LeslieWWhite[/bold] wrote: my roomate's mom makes 67 Dollar an hour on the internet. She has been fired from work for eight months but last month her pay was17009 Dollar just working on the internet for a few hours. this website... www.Day37.com[/p][/quote]his roommate's mum earns plenty dollar on the internet and can love you long time if you actually meet her Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child

2:07pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Some say Europa would stretch our squad to far and have a negative impact on league form like Swansea and Newcastle. Well why not give the games to Jesus, he gets the cup games to manage. He can give the fringe, reserves and youth a run out without stretching the squad and also those coming back from injury or loss of form. If we go out in the first round so what.
I think we had this discussion a year or so ago and you made the same point, Seed. I totally agree.

If do do get into Europe, we have to use it to our advantage. If that means NOT compromising the Prem, then the obvious thing is to play those (as listed by you) who need games and get what we can from it (plus the cash, of course).

Once we've got 30 established world-class players, we can set about defending the triple AND winning the Champions League in the same season.

I don't know when that will be, though. Best to ask Confucious.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Some say Europa would stretch our squad to far and have a negative impact on league form like Swansea and Newcastle. Well why not give the games to Jesus, he gets the cup games to manage. He can give the fringe, reserves and youth a run out without stretching the squad and also those coming back from injury or loss of form. If we go out in the first round so what.[/p][/quote]I think we had this discussion a year or so ago and you made the same point, Seed. I totally agree. If do do get into Europe, we have to use it to our advantage. If that means NOT compromising the Prem, then the obvious thing is to play those (as listed by you) who need games and get what we can from it (plus the cash, of course). Once we've got 30 established world-class players, we can set about defending the triple AND winning the Champions League in the same season. I don't know when that will be, though. Best to ask Confucious. Strasbourg Saint

2:27pm Fri 10 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

Now isn't the time to sell either Dani or Gaston. Yes, I believe the probability will be that we have to sell them on as I'm not sure either will adapt, but there is a World Cup coming up in June and both are likely to play.

From a financial perspective let's see how they go in that tournament as, while they may not adapt to the Premier League, both are still capable or impressing on the global stage. Then we can make a decision when they've been in the biggest shop window there is.
Now isn't the time to sell either Dani or Gaston. Yes, I believe the probability will be that we have to sell them on as I'm not sure either will adapt, but there is a World Cup coming up in June and both are likely to play. From a financial perspective let's see how they go in that tournament as, while they may not adapt to the Premier League, both are still capable or impressing on the global stage. Then we can make a decision when they've been in the biggest shop window there is. SaintJD

2:39pm Fri 10 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
only1chopper wrote:
Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
only1chopper wrote:
Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend.
I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince.
And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it!
There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.
Then we would have a good championship team! Astori would be quality, Ince maybe but Ings? Seriously? No. Keep Osvaldo and Ramirez and bring in Astori and maybe Banega and we would have a team worthy of the Premier and European football when everyone is fit.
Ings, he is playing well, and i bet you said, Lambert, really? when we signed him. I suggest you start watching some more football, and banega, no, he would struggle like the aforementioned.
Nope, I saw lambert play and thought, "this bloke is quality, but he has no pace." Now I realise he doesn't need pace, his quality more than makes up for it. His touch, his calmness on the ball, his vision, his ability to bring other's into play, his goals; the man is a legend. I watch every Saints game mate and more besides. Ings is a good championship player no more. Ince has potential but unproven at the highest level. Astori is an Italian international and proven in Serie A. Banega is an Argentinian international and proven in La Liga. You on the other hand are, as your post suggest, inexperienced and rather dim-witted.
With all due respect I'd put more money on Ince adapting to the Premier League than Banega.

And when exactly did Ricky Lambert have experience playing at the highest level until he, er, played at the highest level and took it in his stride?

We are a walking example of players cutting it in the lower leagues and developing into Premier League quality. Saw a replay of a game against Posh in league 1 and we had the Ox, Ricky, Spider and Fonte on display as well as a few others.

Arguably our best players have come from playing at lower levels in British football without playing at the highest level - Clyne, Lambert, Spider, Cork (only really played on loan at Championship level), Wanyama (accepting Scottish league football is not Premier League class), J-Rod.

Add in our youth players who came with no experience of anything and your argument is a little thin.

Sure, players from the top leagues in Europe can do great as well, as Lovren proves, but our hit rate with foreign signings is not exceptional in my opinion.

It's easy to dismiss and under value quality in the lower leagues, which is why so many clubs are gutted they didn't take the jump with Ricky.

Wells, Rhodes, Ince, Zaha are all decent prospects and I don't know enough about Ings to comment. No need to rubbish the guy's suggestions though.
[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]only1chopper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]only1chopper[/bold] wrote: Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend. I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince. And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it! There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.[/p][/quote]Then we would have a good championship team! Astori would be quality, Ince maybe but Ings? Seriously? No. Keep Osvaldo and Ramirez and bring in Astori and maybe Banega and we would have a team worthy of the Premier and European football when everyone is fit.[/p][/quote]Ings, he is playing well, and i bet you said, Lambert, really? when we signed him. I suggest you start watching some more football, and banega, no, he would struggle like the aforementioned.[/p][/quote]Nope, I saw lambert play and thought, "this bloke is quality, but he has no pace." Now I realise he doesn't need pace, his quality more than makes up for it. His touch, his calmness on the ball, his vision, his ability to bring other's into play, his goals; the man is a legend. I watch every Saints game mate and more besides. Ings is a good championship player no more. Ince has potential but unproven at the highest level. Astori is an Italian international and proven in Serie A. Banega is an Argentinian international and proven in La Liga. You on the other hand are, as your post suggest, inexperienced and rather dim-witted.[/p][/quote]With all due respect I'd put more money on Ince adapting to the Premier League than Banega. And when exactly did Ricky Lambert have experience playing at the highest level until he, er, played at the highest level and took it in his stride? We are a walking example of players cutting it in the lower leagues and developing into Premier League quality. Saw a replay of a game against Posh in league 1 and we had the Ox, Ricky, Spider and Fonte on display as well as a few others. Arguably our best players have come from playing at lower levels in British football without playing at the highest level - Clyne, Lambert, Spider, Cork (only really played on loan at Championship level), Wanyama (accepting Scottish league football is not Premier League class), J-Rod. Add in our youth players who came with no experience of anything and your argument is a little thin. Sure, players from the top leagues in Europe can do great as well, as Lovren proves, but our hit rate with foreign signings is not exceptional in my opinion. It's easy to dismiss and under value quality in the lower leagues, which is why so many clubs are gutted they didn't take the jump with Ricky. Wells, Rhodes, Ince, Zaha are all decent prospects and I don't know enough about Ings to comment. No need to rubbish the guy's suggestions though. SaintJD

2:41pm Fri 10 Jan 14

right back in the bar says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Some say Europa would stretch our squad to far and have a negative impact on league form like Swansea and Newcastle. Well why not give the games to Jesus, he gets the cup games to manage. He can give the fringe, reserves and youth a run out without stretching the squad and also those coming back from injury or loss of form. If we go out in the first round so what.
I think we had this discussion a year or so ago and you made the same point, Seed. I totally agree.

If do do get into Europe, we have to use it to our advantage. If that means NOT compromising the Prem, then the obvious thing is to play those (as listed by you) who need games and get what we can from it (plus the cash, of course).

Once we've got 30 established world-class players, we can set about defending the triple AND winning the Champions League in the same season.

I don't know when that will be, though. Best to ask Confucious.
A good all round strategy and a good reason for a serious FA Cup campaign. As for Osvaldo I don't know - I don't think any of us do; we haven't seen enough of him. In any case where's the sense of humour here? The goal against Citeh was quality and I also quite like the fact he got stuck in up at Ncastle.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Some say Europa would stretch our squad to far and have a negative impact on league form like Swansea and Newcastle. Well why not give the games to Jesus, he gets the cup games to manage. He can give the fringe, reserves and youth a run out without stretching the squad and also those coming back from injury or loss of form. If we go out in the first round so what.[/p][/quote]I think we had this discussion a year or so ago and you made the same point, Seed. I totally agree. If do do get into Europe, we have to use it to our advantage. If that means NOT compromising the Prem, then the obvious thing is to play those (as listed by you) who need games and get what we can from it (plus the cash, of course). Once we've got 30 established world-class players, we can set about defending the triple AND winning the Champions League in the same season. I don't know when that will be, though. Best to ask Confucious.[/p][/quote]A good all round strategy and a good reason for a serious FA Cup campaign. As for Osvaldo I don't know - I don't think any of us do; we haven't seen enough of him. In any case where's the sense of humour here? The goal against Citeh was quality and I also quite like the fact he got stuck in up at Ncastle. right back in the bar

2:46pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

SaintJD wrote:
Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
only1chopper wrote:
Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
only1chopper wrote:
Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend.
I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince.
And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it!
There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.
Then we would have a good championship team! Astori would be quality, Ince maybe but Ings? Seriously? No. Keep Osvaldo and Ramirez and bring in Astori and maybe Banega and we would have a team worthy of the Premier and European football when everyone is fit.
Ings, he is playing well, and i bet you said, Lambert, really? when we signed him. I suggest you start watching some more football, and banega, no, he would struggle like the aforementioned.
Nope, I saw lambert play and thought, "this bloke is quality, but he has no pace." Now I realise he doesn't need pace, his quality more than makes up for it. His touch, his calmness on the ball, his vision, his ability to bring other's into play, his goals; the man is a legend. I watch every Saints game mate and more besides. Ings is a good championship player no more. Ince has potential but unproven at the highest level. Astori is an Italian international and proven in Serie A. Banega is an Argentinian international and proven in La Liga. You on the other hand are, as your post suggest, inexperienced and rather dim-witted.
With all due respect I'd put more money on Ince adapting to the Premier League than Banega.

And when exactly did Ricky Lambert have experience playing at the highest level until he, er, played at the highest level and took it in his stride?

We are a walking example of players cutting it in the lower leagues and developing into Premier League quality. Saw a replay of a game against Posh in league 1 and we had the Ox, Ricky, Spider and Fonte on display as well as a few others.

Arguably our best players have come from playing at lower levels in British football without playing at the highest level - Clyne, Lambert, Spider, Cork (only really played on loan at Championship level), Wanyama (accepting Scottish league football is not Premier League class), J-Rod.

Add in our youth players who came with no experience of anything and your argument is a little thin.

Sure, players from the top leagues in Europe can do great as well, as Lovren proves, but our hit rate with foreign signings is not exceptional in my opinion.

It's easy to dismiss and under value quality in the lower leagues, which is why so many clubs are gutted they didn't take the jump with Ricky.

Wells, Rhodes, Ince, Zaha are all decent prospects and I don't know enough about Ings to comment. No need to rubbish the guy's suggestions though.
With all due respect I think we have gone up a level now though. If its champions league football we want then we have to aim high in the transfer market too.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]only1chopper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]only1chopper[/bold] wrote: Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend. I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince. And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it! There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.[/p][/quote]Then we would have a good championship team! Astori would be quality, Ince maybe but Ings? Seriously? No. Keep Osvaldo and Ramirez and bring in Astori and maybe Banega and we would have a team worthy of the Premier and European football when everyone is fit.[/p][/quote]Ings, he is playing well, and i bet you said, Lambert, really? when we signed him. I suggest you start watching some more football, and banega, no, he would struggle like the aforementioned.[/p][/quote]Nope, I saw lambert play and thought, "this bloke is quality, but he has no pace." Now I realise he doesn't need pace, his quality more than makes up for it. His touch, his calmness on the ball, his vision, his ability to bring other's into play, his goals; the man is a legend. I watch every Saints game mate and more besides. Ings is a good championship player no more. Ince has potential but unproven at the highest level. Astori is an Italian international and proven in Serie A. Banega is an Argentinian international and proven in La Liga. You on the other hand are, as your post suggest, inexperienced and rather dim-witted.[/p][/quote]With all due respect I'd put more money on Ince adapting to the Premier League than Banega. And when exactly did Ricky Lambert have experience playing at the highest level until he, er, played at the highest level and took it in his stride? We are a walking example of players cutting it in the lower leagues and developing into Premier League quality. Saw a replay of a game against Posh in league 1 and we had the Ox, Ricky, Spider and Fonte on display as well as a few others. Arguably our best players have come from playing at lower levels in British football without playing at the highest level - Clyne, Lambert, Spider, Cork (only really played on loan at Championship level), Wanyama (accepting Scottish league football is not Premier League class), J-Rod. Add in our youth players who came with no experience of anything and your argument is a little thin. Sure, players from the top leagues in Europe can do great as well, as Lovren proves, but our hit rate with foreign signings is not exceptional in my opinion. It's easy to dismiss and under value quality in the lower leagues, which is why so many clubs are gutted they didn't take the jump with Ricky. Wells, Rhodes, Ince, Zaha are all decent prospects and I don't know enough about Ings to comment. No need to rubbish the guy's suggestions though.[/p][/quote]With all due respect I think we have gone up a level now though. If its champions league football we want then we have to aim high in the transfer market too. Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child

2:58pm Fri 10 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
only1chopper wrote:
Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
only1chopper wrote:
Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend.
I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince.
And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it!
There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.
Then we would have a good championship team! Astori would be quality, Ince maybe but Ings? Seriously? No. Keep Osvaldo and Ramirez and bring in Astori and maybe Banega and we would have a team worthy of the Premier and European football when everyone is fit.
Ings, he is playing well, and i bet you said, Lambert, really? when we signed him. I suggest you start watching some more football, and banega, no, he would struggle like the aforementioned.
Nope, I saw lambert play and thought, "this bloke is quality, but he has no pace." Now I realise he doesn't need pace, his quality more than makes up for it. His touch, his calmness on the ball, his vision, his ability to bring other's into play, his goals; the man is a legend. I watch every Saints game mate and more besides. Ings is a good championship player no more. Ince has potential but unproven at the highest level. Astori is an Italian international and proven in Serie A. Banega is an Argentinian international and proven in La Liga. You on the other hand are, as your post suggest, inexperienced and rather dim-witted.
With all due respect I'd put more money on Ince adapting to the Premier League than Banega.

And when exactly did Ricky Lambert have experience playing at the highest level until he, er, played at the highest level and took it in his stride?

We are a walking example of players cutting it in the lower leagues and developing into Premier League quality. Saw a replay of a game against Posh in league 1 and we had the Ox, Ricky, Spider and Fonte on display as well as a few others.

Arguably our best players have come from playing at lower levels in British football without playing at the highest level - Clyne, Lambert, Spider, Cork (only really played on loan at Championship level), Wanyama (accepting Scottish league football is not Premier League class), J-Rod.

Add in our youth players who came with no experience of anything and your argument is a little thin.

Sure, players from the top leagues in Europe can do great as well, as Lovren proves, but our hit rate with foreign signings is not exceptional in my opinion.

It's easy to dismiss and under value quality in the lower leagues, which is why so many clubs are gutted they didn't take the jump with Ricky.

Wells, Rhodes, Ince, Zaha are all decent prospects and I don't know enough about Ings to comment. No need to rubbish the guy's suggestions though.
With all due respect I think we have gone up a level now though. If its champions league football we want then we have to aim high in the transfer market too.
Ah, I can't believe I forgot Adam Lallana, who is attracting attention from Champions League clubs if we are to believe the rumours.

Bale and Walcott also lacked experience at the highest level when top clubs took a punt on them as far as I can remember.

I think our whole plan for becoming a top club is based around building with home-grown talent and promising young players with an English core, but could be wrong.

That's not to say I don't see a place for the likes of Astori, Gaston and Osvaldo or similar types of players, because we need a mix, I'm just challenging your idea that players with no experience at the highest level can't fit with Champions League aspirations. I think they can.

That's why so many top clubs only leech the best talent when they've already been discovered - few will take the punt on the likes of Shaw, Adam, Clyne, Spider, Rickie and J-Rod until they've consistently done it at Premier League level.
[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]only1chopper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]only1chopper[/bold] wrote: Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend. I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince. And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it! There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.[/p][/quote]Then we would have a good championship team! Astori would be quality, Ince maybe but Ings? Seriously? No. Keep Osvaldo and Ramirez and bring in Astori and maybe Banega and we would have a team worthy of the Premier and European football when everyone is fit.[/p][/quote]Ings, he is playing well, and i bet you said, Lambert, really? when we signed him. I suggest you start watching some more football, and banega, no, he would struggle like the aforementioned.[/p][/quote]Nope, I saw lambert play and thought, "this bloke is quality, but he has no pace." Now I realise he doesn't need pace, his quality more than makes up for it. His touch, his calmness on the ball, his vision, his ability to bring other's into play, his goals; the man is a legend. I watch every Saints game mate and more besides. Ings is a good championship player no more. Ince has potential but unproven at the highest level. Astori is an Italian international and proven in Serie A. Banega is an Argentinian international and proven in La Liga. You on the other hand are, as your post suggest, inexperienced and rather dim-witted.[/p][/quote]With all due respect I'd put more money on Ince adapting to the Premier League than Banega. And when exactly did Ricky Lambert have experience playing at the highest level until he, er, played at the highest level and took it in his stride? We are a walking example of players cutting it in the lower leagues and developing into Premier League quality. Saw a replay of a game against Posh in league 1 and we had the Ox, Ricky, Spider and Fonte on display as well as a few others. Arguably our best players have come from playing at lower levels in British football without playing at the highest level - Clyne, Lambert, Spider, Cork (only really played on loan at Championship level), Wanyama (accepting Scottish league football is not Premier League class), J-Rod. Add in our youth players who came with no experience of anything and your argument is a little thin. Sure, players from the top leagues in Europe can do great as well, as Lovren proves, but our hit rate with foreign signings is not exceptional in my opinion. It's easy to dismiss and under value quality in the lower leagues, which is why so many clubs are gutted they didn't take the jump with Ricky. Wells, Rhodes, Ince, Zaha are all decent prospects and I don't know enough about Ings to comment. No need to rubbish the guy's suggestions though.[/p][/quote]With all due respect I think we have gone up a level now though. If its champions league football we want then we have to aim high in the transfer market too.[/p][/quote]Ah, I can't believe I forgot Adam Lallana, who is attracting attention from Champions League clubs if we are to believe the rumours. Bale and Walcott also lacked experience at the highest level when top clubs took a punt on them as far as I can remember. I think our whole plan for becoming a top club is based around building with home-grown talent and promising young players with an English core, but could be wrong. That's not to say I don't see a place for the likes of Astori, Gaston and Osvaldo or similar types of players, because we need a mix, I'm just challenging your idea that players with no experience at the highest level can't fit with Champions League aspirations. I think they can. That's why so many top clubs only leech the best talent when they've already been discovered - few will take the punt on the likes of Shaw, Adam, Clyne, Spider, Rickie and J-Rod until they've consistently done it at Premier League level. SaintJD

2:59pm Fri 10 Jan 14

st1halo says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Some say Europa would stretch our squad to far and have a negative impact on league form like Swansea and Newcastle. Well why not give the games to Jesus, he gets the cup games to manage. He can give the fringe, reserves and youth a run out without stretching the squad and also those coming back from injury or loss of form. If we go out in the first round so what.
I think we had this discussion a year or so ago and you made the same point, Seed. I totally agree.

If do do get into Europe, we have to use it to our advantage. If that means NOT compromising the Prem, then the obvious thing is to play those (as listed by you) who need games and get what we can from it (plus the cash, of course).

Once we've got 30 established world-class players, we can set about defending the triple AND winning the Champions League in the same season.

I don't know when that will be, though. Best to ask Confucious.
Your post says "If do do get into Europe"

Sorry Stras but Pompey have got no chance! :-)

STID
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Some say Europa would stretch our squad to far and have a negative impact on league form like Swansea and Newcastle. Well why not give the games to Jesus, he gets the cup games to manage. He can give the fringe, reserves and youth a run out without stretching the squad and also those coming back from injury or loss of form. If we go out in the first round so what.[/p][/quote]I think we had this discussion a year or so ago and you made the same point, Seed. I totally agree. If do do get into Europe, we have to use it to our advantage. If that means NOT compromising the Prem, then the obvious thing is to play those (as listed by you) who need games and get what we can from it (plus the cash, of course). Once we've got 30 established world-class players, we can set about defending the triple AND winning the Champions League in the same season. I don't know when that will be, though. Best to ask Confucious.[/p][/quote]Your post says "If do do get into Europe" Sorry Stras but Pompey have got no chance! :-) STID st1halo

3:13pm Fri 10 Jan 14

sasmike says...

bye bye ozzy take gaza with you please :)
bye bye ozzy take gaza with you please :) sasmike

3:25pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

st1halo wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Some say Europa would stretch our squad to far and have a negative impact on league form like Swansea and Newcastle. Well why not give the games to Jesus, he gets the cup games to manage. He can give the fringe, reserves and youth a run out without stretching the squad and also those coming back from injury or loss of form. If we go out in the first round so what.
I think we had this discussion a year or so ago and you made the same point, Seed. I totally agree.

If do do get into Europe, we have to use it to our advantage. If that means NOT compromising the Prem, then the obvious thing is to play those (as listed by you) who need games and get what we can from it (plus the cash, of course).

Once we've got 30 established world-class players, we can set about defending the triple AND winning the Champions League in the same season.

I don't know when that will be, though. Best to ask Confucious.
Your post says "If do do get into Europe"

Sorry Stras but Pompey have got no chance! :-)

STID
Ha! That's my reputation (for what it was worth - which was not much!) - totally shot, Halo.

I wonder if Confucious knows the precise date WHEN the skates will next be in Europe.

No, no, no, I don 't mean via the the Champions League or Europa League, I mean when will they next be able to afford a Ryanair flight to a training camp in Costa del PiS during one of those International breaks .......

...... whoops!!! ...... I mean when most other teams are still playing in the FA Cup.

(Everybody sing: 'there she comes just-a walking down the street, singing, do-a-di-di-di-di-dum
-di-di-do-do')
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Some say Europa would stretch our squad to far and have a negative impact on league form like Swansea and Newcastle. Well why not give the games to Jesus, he gets the cup games to manage. He can give the fringe, reserves and youth a run out without stretching the squad and also those coming back from injury or loss of form. If we go out in the first round so what.[/p][/quote]I think we had this discussion a year or so ago and you made the same point, Seed. I totally agree. If do do get into Europe, we have to use it to our advantage. If that means NOT compromising the Prem, then the obvious thing is to play those (as listed by you) who need games and get what we can from it (plus the cash, of course). Once we've got 30 established world-class players, we can set about defending the triple AND winning the Champions League in the same season. I don't know when that will be, though. Best to ask Confucious.[/p][/quote]Your post says "If do do get into Europe" Sorry Stras but Pompey have got no chance! :-) STID[/p][/quote]Ha! That's my reputation (for what it was worth - which was not much!) - totally shot, Halo. I wonder if Confucious knows the precise date WHEN the skates will next be in Europe. No, no, no, I don 't mean via the the Champions League or Europa League, I mean when will they next be able to afford a Ryanair flight to a training camp in Costa del PiS during one of those International breaks ....... ...... whoops!!! ...... I mean when most other teams are still playing in the FA Cup. (Everybody sing: 'there she comes just-a walking down the street, singing, do-a-di-di-di-di-dum -di-di-do-do') Strasbourg Saint

3:26pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Meanwhile from Sky:

'Tottenham's record signing Erik Lamela has been linked with loan moves to the likes of Inter Milan and Juventus this month. However, Spurs boss Tim Sherwood says the former Roma forward won't be leaving on loan and just needs time to settle in England.'

Sound familiar?
Meanwhile from Sky: 'Tottenham's record signing Erik Lamela has been linked with loan moves to the likes of Inter Milan and Juventus this month. However, Spurs boss Tim Sherwood says the former Roma forward won't be leaving on loan and just needs time to settle in England.' Sound familiar? Strasbourg Saint

3:30pm Fri 10 Jan 14

andygoater1957 says...

We need proven EPL players in first then get sale or loan the has beens.
We need proven EPL players in first then get sale or loan the has beens. andygoater1957

3:50pm Fri 10 Jan 14

SO50 Saint says...

I'm looking forward to the day we play Gaston and Ossie in the same team. Can't actually remember both of them playing together in a game but I get the feeling when they do there could well be a different attitude towards the players. I certainly hope so anyway
I'm looking forward to the day we play Gaston and Ossie in the same team. Can't actually remember both of them playing together in a game but I get the feeling when they do there could well be a different attitude towards the players. I certainly hope so anyway SO50 Saint

3:50pm Fri 10 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

Definition of an expensive player, Robin van Persie, 24 million up front plus 200k a week for 4 years = 64 million quid, then gets badly injured.
Definition of an expensive player, Robin van Persie, 24 million up front plus 200k a week for 4 years = 64 million quid, then gets badly injured. bigfella777

4:22pm Fri 10 Jan 14

only1chopper says...

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
only1chopper wrote:
Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
only1chopper wrote:
Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend.
I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince.
And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it!
There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.
Then we would have a good championship team! Astori would be quality, Ince maybe but Ings? Seriously? No. Keep Osvaldo and Ramirez and bring in Astori and maybe Banega and we would have a team worthy of the Premier and European football when everyone is fit.
Ings, he is playing well, and i bet you said, Lambert, really? when we signed him. I suggest you start watching some more football, and banega, no, he would struggle like the aforementioned.
Nope, I saw lambert play and thought, "this bloke is quality, but he has no pace." Now I realise he doesn't need pace, his quality more than makes up for it. His touch, his calmness on the ball, his vision, his ability to bring other's into play, his goals; the man is a legend. I watch every Saints game mate and more besides. Ings is a good championship player no more. Ince has potential but unproven at the highest level. Astori is an Italian international and proven in Serie A. Banega is an Argentinian international and proven in La Liga. You on the other hand are, as your post suggest, inexperienced and rather dim-witted.
So, you saw all that in Lambert whilst he was in league 1, you clearly aren't a scout for a premiership team then. Yes, i agree with all those statements regarding Lambert, and we have reaped the rewards since he joined, nut look at some history regarding foreign signings, look at the international Veron who joined united, quality player, complete flop in the premiership. You can't say every international will be a great player in the premiership, that sir, is dim witted.
[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]only1chopper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]only1chopper[/bold] wrote: Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend. I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince. And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it! There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.[/p][/quote]Then we would have a good championship team! Astori would be quality, Ince maybe but Ings? Seriously? No. Keep Osvaldo and Ramirez and bring in Astori and maybe Banega and we would have a team worthy of the Premier and European football when everyone is fit.[/p][/quote]Ings, he is playing well, and i bet you said, Lambert, really? when we signed him. I suggest you start watching some more football, and banega, no, he would struggle like the aforementioned.[/p][/quote]Nope, I saw lambert play and thought, "this bloke is quality, but he has no pace." Now I realise he doesn't need pace, his quality more than makes up for it. His touch, his calmness on the ball, his vision, his ability to bring other's into play, his goals; the man is a legend. I watch every Saints game mate and more besides. Ings is a good championship player no more. Ince has potential but unproven at the highest level. Astori is an Italian international and proven in Serie A. Banega is an Argentinian international and proven in La Liga. You on the other hand are, as your post suggest, inexperienced and rather dim-witted.[/p][/quote]So, you saw all that in Lambert whilst he was in league 1, you clearly aren't a scout for a premiership team then. Yes, i agree with all those statements regarding Lambert, and we have reaped the rewards since he joined, nut look at some history regarding foreign signings, look at the international Veron who joined united, quality player, complete flop in the premiership. You can't say every international will be a great player in the premiership, that sir, is dim witted. only1chopper

4:23pm Fri 10 Jan 14

only1chopper says...

Churchill Saint wrote:
only1chopper wrote:
Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend.
I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince.
And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it!
There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.
spend a lot of time on Football Manager do you?
no, do you?
[quote][p][bold]Churchill Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]only1chopper[/bold] wrote: Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend. I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince. And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it! There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.[/p][/quote]spend a lot of time on Football Manager do you?[/p][/quote]no, do you? only1chopper

4:35pm Fri 10 Jan 14

only1chopper says...

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
only1chopper wrote:
Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
only1chopper wrote:
Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend.
I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince.
And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it!
There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.
Then we would have a good championship team! Astori would be quality, Ince maybe but Ings? Seriously? No. Keep Osvaldo and Ramirez and bring in Astori and maybe Banega and we would have a team worthy of the Premier and European football when everyone is fit.
Ings, he is playing well, and i bet you said, Lambert, really? when we signed him. I suggest you start watching some more football, and banega, no, he would struggle like the aforementioned.
Nope, I saw lambert play and thought, "this bloke is quality, but he has no pace." Now I realise he doesn't need pace, his quality more than makes up for it. His touch, his calmness on the ball, his vision, his ability to bring other's into play, his goals; the man is a legend. I watch every Saints game mate and more besides. Ings is a good championship player no more. Ince has potential but unproven at the highest level. Astori is an Italian international and proven in Serie A. Banega is an Argentinian international and proven in La Liga. You on the other hand are, as your post suggest, inexperienced and rather dim-witted.
With all due respect I'd put more money on Ince adapting to the Premier League than Banega.

And when exactly did Ricky Lambert have experience playing at the highest level until he, er, played at the highest level and took it in his stride?

We are a walking example of players cutting it in the lower leagues and developing into Premier League quality. Saw a replay of a game against Posh in league 1 and we had the Ox, Ricky, Spider and Fonte on display as well as a few others.

Arguably our best players have come from playing at lower levels in British football without playing at the highest level - Clyne, Lambert, Spider, Cork (only really played on loan at Championship level), Wanyama (accepting Scottish league football is not Premier League class), J-Rod.

Add in our youth players who came with no experience of anything and your argument is a little thin.

Sure, players from the top leagues in Europe can do great as well, as Lovren proves, but our hit rate with foreign signings is not exceptional in my opinion.

It's easy to dismiss and under value quality in the lower leagues, which is why so many clubs are gutted they didn't take the jump with Ricky.

Wells, Rhodes, Ince, Zaha are all decent prospects and I don't know enough about Ings to comment. No need to rubbish the guy's suggestions though.
With all due respect I think we have gone up a level now though. If its champions league football we want then we have to aim high in the transfer market too.
i think you are living in dream land captain kirk, unless we get the backing of an oil tycoon, we will not get to the dizzy heights of the top four and stay there with just bringing in astori and banega. Look at J Rod, scoring goals for burnley, then we signed him and he is a quality player, Danny ings, goals for burnley, i rest my case. There are so many players around the championship and even league 1 who can cut it in the premiership, they just need someone to believe in them and give them the support and confidence to show that yes, they can do it. You, on the other hand would blow our transfer kitty on 2 players and hope for the best, because they are internationals, it doesn't work that way.
[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]only1chopper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]only1chopper[/bold] wrote: Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend. I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince. And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it! There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.[/p][/quote]Then we would have a good championship team! Astori would be quality, Ince maybe but Ings? Seriously? No. Keep Osvaldo and Ramirez and bring in Astori and maybe Banega and we would have a team worthy of the Premier and European football when everyone is fit.[/p][/quote]Ings, he is playing well, and i bet you said, Lambert, really? when we signed him. I suggest you start watching some more football, and banega, no, he would struggle like the aforementioned.[/p][/quote]Nope, I saw lambert play and thought, "this bloke is quality, but he has no pace." Now I realise he doesn't need pace, his quality more than makes up for it. His touch, his calmness on the ball, his vision, his ability to bring other's into play, his goals; the man is a legend. I watch every Saints game mate and more besides. Ings is a good championship player no more. Ince has potential but unproven at the highest level. Astori is an Italian international and proven in Serie A. Banega is an Argentinian international and proven in La Liga. You on the other hand are, as your post suggest, inexperienced and rather dim-witted.[/p][/quote]With all due respect I'd put more money on Ince adapting to the Premier League than Banega. And when exactly did Ricky Lambert have experience playing at the highest level until he, er, played at the highest level and took it in his stride? We are a walking example of players cutting it in the lower leagues and developing into Premier League quality. Saw a replay of a game against Posh in league 1 and we had the Ox, Ricky, Spider and Fonte on display as well as a few others. Arguably our best players have come from playing at lower levels in British football without playing at the highest level - Clyne, Lambert, Spider, Cork (only really played on loan at Championship level), Wanyama (accepting Scottish league football is not Premier League class), J-Rod. Add in our youth players who came with no experience of anything and your argument is a little thin. Sure, players from the top leagues in Europe can do great as well, as Lovren proves, but our hit rate with foreign signings is not exceptional in my opinion. It's easy to dismiss and under value quality in the lower leagues, which is why so many clubs are gutted they didn't take the jump with Ricky. Wells, Rhodes, Ince, Zaha are all decent prospects and I don't know enough about Ings to comment. No need to rubbish the guy's suggestions though.[/p][/quote]With all due respect I think we have gone up a level now though. If its champions league football we want then we have to aim high in the transfer market too.[/p][/quote]i think you are living in dream land captain kirk, unless we get the backing of an oil tycoon, we will not get to the dizzy heights of the top four and stay there with just bringing in astori and banega. Look at J Rod, scoring goals for burnley, then we signed him and he is a quality player, Danny ings, goals for burnley, i rest my case. There are so many players around the championship and even league 1 who can cut it in the premiership, they just need someone to believe in them and give them the support and confidence to show that yes, they can do it. You, on the other hand would blow our transfer kitty on 2 players and hope for the best, because they are internationals, it doesn't work that way. only1chopper

4:46pm Fri 10 Jan 14

st1halo says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Some say Europa would stretch our squad to far and have a negative impact on league form like Swansea and Newcastle. Well why not give the games to Jesus, he gets the cup games to manage. He can give the fringe, reserves and youth a run out without stretching the squad and also those coming back from injury or loss of form. If we go out in the first round so what.
I think we had this discussion a year or so ago and you made the same point, Seed. I totally agree.

If do do get into Europe, we have to use it to our advantage. If that means NOT compromising the Prem, then the obvious thing is to play those (as listed by you) who need games and get what we can from it (plus the cash, of course).

Once we've got 30 established world-class players, we can set about defending the triple AND winning the Champions League in the same season.

I don't know when that will be, though. Best to ask Confucious.
Your post says "If do do get into Europe"

Sorry Stras but Pompey have got no chance! :-)

STID
Ha! That's my reputation (for what it was worth - which was not much!) - totally shot, Halo.

I wonder if Confucious knows the precise date WHEN the skates will next be in Europe.

No, no, no, I don 't mean via the the Champions League or Europa League, I mean when will they next be able to afford a Ryanair flight to a training camp in Costa del PiS during one of those International breaks .......

...... whoops!!! ...... I mean when most other teams are still playing in the FA Cup.

(Everybody sing: 'there she comes just-a walking down the street, singing, do-a-di-di-di-di-dum

-di-di-do-do')
LMAO!
Even Confucious cant see that far ahead!

STID
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Some say Europa would stretch our squad to far and have a negative impact on league form like Swansea and Newcastle. Well why not give the games to Jesus, he gets the cup games to manage. He can give the fringe, reserves and youth a run out without stretching the squad and also those coming back from injury or loss of form. If we go out in the first round so what.[/p][/quote]I think we had this discussion a year or so ago and you made the same point, Seed. I totally agree. If do do get into Europe, we have to use it to our advantage. If that means NOT compromising the Prem, then the obvious thing is to play those (as listed by you) who need games and get what we can from it (plus the cash, of course). Once we've got 30 established world-class players, we can set about defending the triple AND winning the Champions League in the same season. I don't know when that will be, though. Best to ask Confucious.[/p][/quote]Your post says "If do do get into Europe" Sorry Stras but Pompey have got no chance! :-) STID[/p][/quote]Ha! That's my reputation (for what it was worth - which was not much!) - totally shot, Halo. I wonder if Confucious knows the precise date WHEN the skates will next be in Europe. No, no, no, I don 't mean via the the Champions League or Europa League, I mean when will they next be able to afford a Ryanair flight to a training camp in Costa del PiS during one of those International breaks ....... ...... whoops!!! ...... I mean when most other teams are still playing in the FA Cup. (Everybody sing: 'there she comes just-a walking down the street, singing, do-a-di-di-di-di-dum -di-di-do-do')[/p][/quote]LMAO! Even Confucious cant see that far ahead! STID st1halo

4:47pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Dave Juson says...

Confucious wrote:
The club have issued an official rumour saying the Ossie rumour is nothing more than a rumour which just keeps going in one ear and in another. However, they have also issued an unofficial rumour saying the official rumour about the Ossie rumour, whilst being more than an unofficial rumour, is also just a rumour.

Mrs Wilson told me it's rumoured that this afternoon an unofficial official rumour will be issued in an attempt to clear up the confusion caused by issuing an unofficial rumour that an official rumour about rumours has greater credibility than an official rumour regarding unofficial rumours about rumours.

To stress the importance of the matter I told her that Retford has staked his reputation on the original rumour being nothing more than a rumour, but she said the club won't give a sh!te about that as Retford's reputation at St Marys is actually sh!te.

These are difficult times. As far as I can tell from analysing posts on here, the difference between gossip and news is whether you are hearing it or telling it.
Confucious, you are going to have to get your act together on this issue.
Are you talking about a rumour about gossip? Or gossip about a rumour? It's important we know before raising the matter in pubs this evening and tomorrow lunch time.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: The club have issued an official rumour saying the Ossie rumour is nothing more than a rumour which just keeps going in one ear and in another. However, they have also issued an unofficial rumour saying the official rumour about the Ossie rumour, whilst being more than an unofficial rumour, is also just a rumour. Mrs Wilson told me it's rumoured that this afternoon an unofficial official rumour will be issued in an attempt to clear up the confusion caused by issuing an unofficial rumour that an official rumour about rumours has greater credibility than an official rumour regarding unofficial rumours about rumours. To stress the importance of the matter I told her that Retford has staked his reputation on the original rumour being nothing more than a rumour, but she said the club won't give a sh!te about that as Retford's reputation at St Marys is actually sh!te. These are difficult times. As far as I can tell from analysing posts on here, the difference between gossip and news is whether you are hearing it or telling it.[/p][/quote]Confucious, you are going to have to get your act together on this issue. Are you talking about a rumour about gossip? Or gossip about a rumour? It's important we know before raising the matter in pubs this evening and tomorrow lunch time. Dave Juson

4:49pm Fri 10 Jan 14

st1halo says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Definition of an expensive player, Robin van Persie, 24 million up front plus 200k a week for 4 years = 64 million quid, then gets badly injured.
Or Andy Carroll, £15m, £115k per wk, 6 year contract!

STID
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Definition of an expensive player, Robin van Persie, 24 million up front plus 200k a week for 4 years = 64 million quid, then gets badly injured.[/p][/quote]Or Andy Carroll, £15m, £115k per wk, 6 year contract! STID st1halo

5:44pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Confucious says...

st1halo wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Some say Europa would stretch our squad to far and have a negative impact on league form like Swansea and Newcastle. Well why not give the games to Jesus, he gets the cup games to manage. He can give the fringe, reserves and youth a run out without stretching the squad and also those coming back from injury or loss of form. If we go out in the first round so what.
I think we had this discussion a year or so ago and you made the same point, Seed. I totally agree.

If do do get into Europe, we have to use it to our advantage. If that means NOT compromising the Prem, then the obvious thing is to play those (as listed by you) who need games and get what we can from it (plus the cash, of course).

Once we've got 30 established world-class players, we can set about defending the triple AND winning the Champions League in the same season.

I don't know when that will be, though. Best to ask Confucious.
Your post says "If do do get into Europe"

Sorry Stras but Pompey have got no chance! :-)

STID
Ha! That's my reputation (for what it was worth - which was not much!) - totally shot, Halo.

I wonder if Confucious knows the precise date WHEN the skates will next be in Europe.

No, no, no, I don 't mean via the the Champions League or Europa League, I mean when will they next be able to afford a Ryanair flight to a training camp in Costa del PiS during one of those International breaks .......

...... whoops!!! ...... I mean when most other teams are still playing in the FA Cup.

(Everybody sing: 'there she comes just-a walking down the street, singing, do-a-di-di-di-di-dum


-di-di-do-do')
LMAO!
Even Confucious cant see that far ahead!

STID
Personally, I can't see into the future and I certainly don't believe in astrology. No doubt that's because I'm a Scorpio and we are all sceptical.

However, my Auntie Elspeth's rather spooky friend, Mrs Dean, is one of those crystal ball readers - but she couldn't see a future for Poopey beyond 2016.

She said: "I see a dark and dingy ramshackle smelly building with a football pitch. Strange people are entering - very pale skinned with funny eyes. The poster on the wall says 'Football Conference 2015-2016'.

"But wait. It's a bit of a windy day. A whole stand has blown down. There goes another. And another. It's all fallen down. There's woodworms everywhere and the smell is even worse now."

"And look there - on that big pile of wood. It's a funny top hat. Just lying there on its own."

"Now I see bulldozers. Lots of bulldozers. And a man from the property development department of Asda with a clipboard. But no...it's all gone now. It's just blank."

Oh well - who knows? Time will tell.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Some say Europa would stretch our squad to far and have a negative impact on league form like Swansea and Newcastle. Well why not give the games to Jesus, he gets the cup games to manage. He can give the fringe, reserves and youth a run out without stretching the squad and also those coming back from injury or loss of form. If we go out in the first round so what.[/p][/quote]I think we had this discussion a year or so ago and you made the same point, Seed. I totally agree. If do do get into Europe, we have to use it to our advantage. If that means NOT compromising the Prem, then the obvious thing is to play those (as listed by you) who need games and get what we can from it (plus the cash, of course). Once we've got 30 established world-class players, we can set about defending the triple AND winning the Champions League in the same season. I don't know when that will be, though. Best to ask Confucious.[/p][/quote]Your post says "If do do get into Europe" Sorry Stras but Pompey have got no chance! :-) STID[/p][/quote]Ha! That's my reputation (for what it was worth - which was not much!) - totally shot, Halo. I wonder if Confucious knows the precise date WHEN the skates will next be in Europe. No, no, no, I don 't mean via the the Champions League or Europa League, I mean when will they next be able to afford a Ryanair flight to a training camp in Costa del PiS during one of those International breaks ....... ...... whoops!!! ...... I mean when most other teams are still playing in the FA Cup. (Everybody sing: 'there she comes just-a walking down the street, singing, do-a-di-di-di-di-dum -di-di-do-do')[/p][/quote]LMAO! Even Confucious cant see that far ahead! STID[/p][/quote]Personally, I can't see into the future and I certainly don't believe in astrology. No doubt that's because I'm a Scorpio and we are all sceptical. However, my Auntie Elspeth's rather spooky friend, Mrs Dean, is one of those crystal ball readers - but she couldn't see a future for Poopey beyond 2016. She said: "I see a dark and dingy ramshackle smelly building with a football pitch. Strange people are entering - very pale skinned with funny eyes. The poster on the wall says 'Football Conference 2015-2016'. "But wait. It's a bit of a windy day. A whole stand has blown down. There goes another. And another. It's all fallen down. There's woodworms everywhere and the smell is even worse now." "And look there - on that big pile of wood. It's a funny top hat. Just lying there on its own." "Now I see bulldozers. Lots of bulldozers. And a man from the property development department of Asda with a clipboard. But no...it's all gone now. It's just blank." Oh well - who knows? Time will tell. Confucious

5:46pm Fri 10 Jan 14

warrens 76 says...

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again!!
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again!! warrens 76

5:51pm Fri 10 Jan 14

saintbobby says...

Prit wrote:
Why would anyone give any credence to anything written by the Mail ?
Print, I should remind you that the Daily Mail is the ONLY true word and they are very friendly towards the Saints. That's good enough for me.
[quote][p][bold]Prit[/bold] wrote: Why would anyone give any credence to anything written by the Mail ?[/p][/quote]Print, I should remind you that the Daily Mail is the ONLY true word and they are very friendly towards the Saints. That's good enough for me. saintbobby

6:07pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Again no with
or pace up front flog the lot they aint good enough for the Prem
Again no with or pace up front flog the lot they aint good enough for the Prem Fatty x Ford Worker

7:41pm Fri 10 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
Again no with
or pace up front flog the lot they aint good enough for the Prem
Re-arrange this into a well known phrase or saying.
[quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: Again no with or pace up front flog the lot they aint good enough for the Prem[/p][/quote]Re-arrange this into a well known phrase or saying. OSPREYSAINT

7:47pm Fri 10 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Confucious wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Some say Europa would stretch our squad to far and have a negative impact on league form like Swansea and Newcastle. Well why not give the games to Jesus, he gets the cup games to manage. He can give the fringe, reserves and youth a run out without stretching the squad and also those coming back from injury or loss of form. If we go out in the first round so what.
I think we had this discussion a year or so ago and you made the same point, Seed. I totally agree.

If do do get into Europe, we have to use it to our advantage. If that means NOT compromising the Prem, then the obvious thing is to play those (as listed by you) who need games and get what we can from it (plus the cash, of course).

Once we've got 30 established world-class players, we can set about defending the triple AND winning the Champions League in the same season.

I don't know when that will be, though. Best to ask Confucious.
Your post says "If do do get into Europe"

Sorry Stras but Pompey have got no chance! :-)

STID
Ha! That's my reputation (for what it was worth - which was not much!) - totally shot, Halo.

I wonder if Confucious knows the precise date WHEN the skates will next be in Europe.

No, no, no, I don 't mean via the the Champions League or Europa League, I mean when will they next be able to afford a Ryanair flight to a training camp in Costa del PiS during one of those International breaks .......

...... whoops!!! ...... I mean when most other teams are still playing in the FA Cup.

(Everybody sing: 'there she comes just-a walking down the street, singing, do-a-di-di-di-di-dum



-di-di-do-do')
LMAO!
Even Confucious cant see that far ahead!

STID
Personally, I can't see into the future and I certainly don't believe in astrology. No doubt that's because I'm a Scorpio and we are all sceptical.

However, my Auntie Elspeth's rather spooky friend, Mrs Dean, is one of those crystal ball readers - but she couldn't see a future for Poopey beyond 2016.

She said: "I see a dark and dingy ramshackle smelly building with a football pitch. Strange people are entering - very pale skinned with funny eyes. The poster on the wall says 'Football Conference 2015-2016'.

"But wait. It's a bit of a windy day. A whole stand has blown down. There goes another. And another. It's all fallen down. There's woodworms everywhere and the smell is even worse now."

"And look there - on that big pile of wood. It's a funny top hat. Just lying there on its own."

"Now I see bulldozers. Lots of bulldozers. And a man from the property development department of Asda with a clipboard. But no...it's all gone now. It's just blank."

Oh well - who knows? Time will tell.
That's truly awful, I was banking on Tescos.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Some say Europa would stretch our squad to far and have a negative impact on league form like Swansea and Newcastle. Well why not give the games to Jesus, he gets the cup games to manage. He can give the fringe, reserves and youth a run out without stretching the squad and also those coming back from injury or loss of form. If we go out in the first round so what.[/p][/quote]I think we had this discussion a year or so ago and you made the same point, Seed. I totally agree. If do do get into Europe, we have to use it to our advantage. If that means NOT compromising the Prem, then the obvious thing is to play those (as listed by you) who need games and get what we can from it (plus the cash, of course). Once we've got 30 established world-class players, we can set about defending the triple AND winning the Champions League in the same season. I don't know when that will be, though. Best to ask Confucious.[/p][/quote]Your post says "If do do get into Europe" Sorry Stras but Pompey have got no chance! :-) STID[/p][/quote]Ha! That's my reputation (for what it was worth - which was not much!) - totally shot, Halo. I wonder if Confucious knows the precise date WHEN the skates will next be in Europe. No, no, no, I don 't mean via the the Champions League or Europa League, I mean when will they next be able to afford a Ryanair flight to a training camp in Costa del PiS during one of those International breaks ....... ...... whoops!!! ...... I mean when most other teams are still playing in the FA Cup. (Everybody sing: 'there she comes just-a walking down the street, singing, do-a-di-di-di-di-dum -di-di-do-do')[/p][/quote]LMAO! Even Confucious cant see that far ahead! STID[/p][/quote]Personally, I can't see into the future and I certainly don't believe in astrology. No doubt that's because I'm a Scorpio and we are all sceptical. However, my Auntie Elspeth's rather spooky friend, Mrs Dean, is one of those crystal ball readers - but she couldn't see a future for Poopey beyond 2016. She said: "I see a dark and dingy ramshackle smelly building with a football pitch. Strange people are entering - very pale skinned with funny eyes. The poster on the wall says 'Football Conference 2015-2016'. "But wait. It's a bit of a windy day. A whole stand has blown down. There goes another. And another. It's all fallen down. There's woodworms everywhere and the smell is even worse now." "And look there - on that big pile of wood. It's a funny top hat. Just lying there on its own." "Now I see bulldozers. Lots of bulldozers. And a man from the property development department of Asda with a clipboard. But no...it's all gone now. It's just blank." Oh well - who knows? Time will tell.[/p][/quote]That's truly awful, I was banking on Tescos. OSPREYSAINT

8:34pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
Again no with
or pace up front flog the lot they aint good enough for the Prem
There are times when you post something halfway sensible and I think that perhaps my perception of you is incorrect.

and the you go and prove me right. you ARE a numpty
[quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: Again no with or pace up front flog the lot they aint good enough for the Prem[/p][/quote]There are times when you post something halfway sensible and I think that perhaps my perception of you is incorrect. and the you go and prove me right. you ARE a numpty Stroppy_gramps

8:52pm Fri 10 Jan 14

petethephantom says...

love to see some of your peoples budgets, always saying buy buy buy, more players
obviously not your money, why spend stupidly and end up like we were 5 to10 years ago or even worse like pompy
If the pooch says we are fine then we are fine, if someone leaves then look at someone new, or wait to the summer, not the over costing of the janurary transfers
love to see some of your peoples budgets, always saying buy buy buy, more players obviously not your money, why spend stupidly and end up like we were 5 to10 years ago or even worse like pompy If the pooch says we are fine then we are fine, if someone leaves then look at someone new, or wait to the summer, not the over costing of the janurary transfers petethephantom

12:36am Sat 11 Jan 14

oh when the saints says...

only1chopper wrote:
Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend.
I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince.
And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it!
There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.
Have you forgotten Fabrizio Ravanelli?
[quote][p][bold]only1chopper[/bold] wrote: Most players that come over from Italy find it hard to adapt, look at gaston! You clearly see his skill levels, but he just can't seem to apply them on the pitch. Osvaldo is the same, let's hope all this extra adaptation training will come off and after his ban he will come out all guns blazing. Personally, can't see it. Ship him off to inter for 15 million, ship gaston off for the same price, that's 30 million to spend. I think striker wise we should look at whose scoring in the championship, Danny Ings, played well against us, J Rod knows him and good finisher, then on the wings, aiden mcgeady, great wide player, get him for a decent price, or even Tom Ince. And to drag the rumours out even more, get Astori in, everyone knows we want him, so let's just do it! There, that's the 30 million spent, plus a little bit extra, but a better more solid squad. Plus get rid of Hoover and yoshida and fox, please.[/p][/quote]Have you forgotten Fabrizio Ravanelli? oh when the saints

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