Will Poch be the next to leave?

Mauricio Pochettino

Mauricio Pochettino

First published in Sport Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Sports Writer

Mauricio Pochettino is today expected to reveal whether he will follow Nicola Cortese out of the St Mary’s exit door.

The Saints boss and his immediate coaching staff met with Cortese yesterday as the former executive chairman informed them of his dramatic resignation.

It is understood that Pochettino was prepared to back up his threat from the summer and quit too but was persuaded to stay on for Saturday’s game at Sunderland.

Pochettino has had a night to clear his head before facing the press at his scheduled weekly briefing this afternoon.

He is sure to be grilled about Cortese’s departure and is likely to be asked to clarify his own future after saying in the summer he would quit if his former boss was no longer at the club.

With no executive replacement for Cortese currently in situ, there is something of a power vacuum at the club.

If he is considering staying then Pochettino, whose current contract runs until the end of next season, will seek a raft of assurances from new non-executive chairman and club owner Katharina Liebherr.

With big clubs sniffing around several leading Saints stars during the transfer window this month the highly regarded manager will be keen to know all offers for his top names will be rejected. In turn his continued presence might convince any players who were considering their futures to stay.

The fallout from Cortese’s departure has revealed that he actually tendered his resignation in the autumn.

After he last threatened to quit in May an interim agreement was struck over the future of the club, and Cortese’s contract, which convinced both parties to agree a deal to keep the former Swiss banker at St Mary’s.

Discussions over a long term strategy for the club to replace the interim agreement had been ongoing between the two parties but a conclusion never looked likely from the start of talks, leading to Cortese offering to resign.

The Daily Echo understands that the major stumbling blocks were not financial but based on a potential sale of the club and the possibility that the Liebherr estate would place a representative on the board.

Talks continued while Cortese’s resignation sat pending until just before Christmas when the situation deteriorated further.

By yesterday it was clear to both parties that a parting of the ways was required.

At 7pm last night an official statement was issued that read: “Southampton FC today announces that club owner Katharina Liebherr has taken on the role of non-executive Chairman.

“This follows the resignation of Nicola Cortese.

“A search has begun for a Chief Executive Officer who will take over Mr Cortese’s executive duties.

“Katharina Liebherr said: “With great regret we have accepted the resignation of Mr Cortese. He has done a wonderful job at the club and we very much wanted him to stay.

“A search has now begun for a successor. In the meantime, it is business as usual and we will ensure that the manager, the team and all the staff at the club have all the help and support they need.”

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7:19am Thu 16 Jan 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Awkward day for Poch.
Awkward day for Poch. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

7:31am Thu 16 Jan 14

Bitterne Park Tim says...

What a drama...... Senior execs leave companies all the time..... As do managers.

We might get sold........ So what?

As long as we have 11 players on the pitch to support I really do not care who runs the company that makes that happen.

Relax.....
What a drama...... Senior execs leave companies all the time..... As do managers. We might get sold........ So what? As long as we have 11 players on the pitch to support I really do not care who runs the company that makes that happen. Relax..... Bitterne Park Tim
  • Score: 4

7:32am Thu 16 Jan 14

Saint. says...

Katharine clearly wants to sell and does not want to establish Saints at the higher level! Her first massive mistake is to let NC walk!! Her second and last would be to allow MP go! Katharine needs to get out from behind her advisors and show Saints fans her real intention face to face!

I remember back in Jan last year on a sky interview with Tim White NC said he has wealthy backers if Katharine was to sell and our future safe! So I would not be surprised if NC does not come back and buy the club with a backer!! If so we can only hope NC has told MP to stay put as he will be back, if MP stays, it would be a massive intent of NC plans!

I honestly can not see NC walking away from all he has done for Saints and if anyone can bring a buyer in it is NC!
Katharine clearly wants to sell and does not want to establish Saints at the higher level! Her first massive mistake is to let NC walk!! Her second and last would be to allow MP go! Katharine needs to get out from behind her advisors and show Saints fans her real intention face to face! I remember back in Jan last year on a sky interview with Tim White NC said he has wealthy backers if Katharine was to sell and our future safe! So I would not be surprised if NC does not come back and buy the club with a backer!! If so we can only hope NC has told MP to stay put as he will be back, if MP stays, it would be a massive intent of NC plans! I honestly can not see NC walking away from all he has done for Saints and if anyone can bring a buyer in it is NC! Saint.
  • Score: 18

7:35am Thu 16 Jan 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Saint. wrote:
Katharine clearly wants to sell and does not want to establish Saints at the higher level! Her first massive mistake is to let NC walk!! Her second and last would be to allow MP go! Katharine needs to get out from behind her advisors and show Saints fans her real intention face to face!

I remember back in Jan last year on a sky interview with Tim White NC said he has wealthy backers if Katharine was to sell and our future safe! So I would not be surprised if NC does not come back and buy the club with a backer!! If so we can only hope NC has told MP to stay put as he will be back, if MP stays, it would be a massive intent of NC plans!

I honestly can not see NC walking away from all he has done for Saints and if anyone can bring a buyer in it is NC!
Back of the net!!
[quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: Katharine clearly wants to sell and does not want to establish Saints at the higher level! Her first massive mistake is to let NC walk!! Her second and last would be to allow MP go! Katharine needs to get out from behind her advisors and show Saints fans her real intention face to face! I remember back in Jan last year on a sky interview with Tim White NC said he has wealthy backers if Katharine was to sell and our future safe! So I would not be surprised if NC does not come back and buy the club with a backer!! If so we can only hope NC has told MP to stay put as he will be back, if MP stays, it would be a massive intent of NC plans! I honestly can not see NC walking away from all he has done for Saints and if anyone can bring a buyer in it is NC![/p][/quote]Back of the net!! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 6

7:46am Thu 16 Jan 14

andoru says...

Bitterne Park Tim wrote:
What a drama...... Senior execs leave companies all the time..... As do managers.

We might get sold........ So what?

As long as we have 11 players on the pitch to support I really do not care who runs the company that makes that happen.

Relax.....
I don't just want "11 players on the pitch". I want these players. I want Shaw. I want Lallana. I want Lovren, Clyne and Wanyama. I want Boruc. I want Schneiderlin. I want all of them (except Fox and Hooieveld). And I want the ambition to stay with us. I don't want us to become a little club again, a selling club that accepts mid-table as a dream finish to the season. I want to keep on pushing up the table. And that's what's worrying right now. Will we still have the players who can take us forward or will she sell them off if her main motive is money? We just don't know. If she's smart, she'll do what she can to hold on to them before selling as they'll increase the club's value. But it might be beyond her. If a 'big club' comes in with a massive offer today, will she turn it down or take the cash? And how many times will she take the cash? Until we only have academy players and benchwarmers left? There is too much uncertainty. That's what people are worrying about. It's not so easy to "relax".
[quote][p][bold]Bitterne Park Tim[/bold] wrote: What a drama...... Senior execs leave companies all the time..... As do managers. We might get sold........ So what? As long as we have 11 players on the pitch to support I really do not care who runs the company that makes that happen. Relax.....[/p][/quote]I don't just want "11 players on the pitch". I want these players. I want Shaw. I want Lallana. I want Lovren, Clyne and Wanyama. I want Boruc. I want Schneiderlin. I want all of them (except Fox and Hooieveld). And I want the ambition to stay with us. I don't want us to become a little club again, a selling club that accepts mid-table as a dream finish to the season. I want to keep on pushing up the table. And that's what's worrying right now. Will we still have the players who can take us forward or will she sell them off if her main motive is money? We just don't know. If she's smart, she'll do what she can to hold on to them before selling as they'll increase the club's value. But it might be beyond her. If a 'big club' comes in with a massive offer today, will she turn it down or take the cash? And how many times will she take the cash? Until we only have academy players and benchwarmers left? There is too much uncertainty. That's what people are worrying about. It's not so easy to "relax". andoru
  • Score: 5

7:52am Thu 16 Jan 14

arm chair fan says...

The
only way M.P. will go now is if N.C.is at anoither club (act Mi lan?))
The only way M.P. will go now is if N.C.is at anoither club (act Mi lan?)) arm chair fan
  • Score: -7

8:00am Thu 16 Jan 14

The stripes says...

Fair play to Poch no matter what his decision.

When he first came to the club he was left by himself to face the press about the Nige controversy. Now it looks like he’s left by himself to face the press again, unless of course Katharina decides to turn up.

I guess that’s why these people get the big bucks.
Fair play to Poch no matter what his decision. When he first came to the club he was left by himself to face the press about the Nige controversy. Now it looks like he’s left by himself to face the press again, unless of course Katharina decides to turn up. I guess that’s why these people get the big bucks. The stripes
  • Score: 0

8:01am Thu 16 Jan 14

NC Fan4Life says...

I have always said that NC will leave when the money runs out. So the bus has stopped, the driver has left and we will now see several getting off starting with MP and his staff, then by our best young players being sold to recover all the money. The five year investment that Marcus committed to is at an end and its objective has been achieved, his family / companies will not commit any more to the club, therefore NC cannot take us any further.
Only hope is that there is a wealthy person/group who wants to buy the club very quickly before we sell Luke & others.
I have always said that NC will leave when the money runs out. So the bus has stopped, the driver has left and we will now see several getting off starting with MP and his staff, then by our best young players being sold to recover all the money. The five year investment that Marcus committed to is at an end and its objective has been achieved, his family / companies will not commit any more to the club, therefore NC cannot take us any further. Only hope is that there is a wealthy person/group who wants to buy the club very quickly before we sell Luke & others. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: -3

8:22am Thu 16 Jan 14

Glenn(Leeds) says...

arm chair fan wrote:
The only way M.P. will go now is if N.C.is at anoither club (act Mi lan?))
Cant M.P going to AC milan as Clarence Seedorf has just been appointed head coach.
[quote][p][bold]arm chair fan[/bold] wrote: The only way M.P. will go now is if N.C.is at anoither club (act Mi lan?))[/p][/quote]Cant M.P going to AC milan as Clarence Seedorf has just been appointed head coach. Glenn(Leeds)
  • Score: 3

8:42am Thu 16 Jan 14

Blackwaterblue says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
I have always said that NC will leave when the money runs out. So the bus has stopped, the driver has left and we will now see several getting off starting with MP and his staff, then by our best young players being sold to recover all the money. The five year investment that Marcus committed to is at an end and its objective has been achieved, his family / companies will not commit any more to the club, therefore NC cannot take us any further.
Only hope is that there is a wealthy person/group who wants to buy the club very quickly before we sell Luke & others.
Sounds a bit like a club down the road but I wouldn't panic: it's a well run business so can be sold. I just get the feeling though, that it will continue under the present ownership. Getting a new chairman and manager is no big deal these days.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: I have always said that NC will leave when the money runs out. So the bus has stopped, the driver has left and we will now see several getting off starting with MP and his staff, then by our best young players being sold to recover all the money. The five year investment that Marcus committed to is at an end and its objective has been achieved, his family / companies will not commit any more to the club, therefore NC cannot take us any further. Only hope is that there is a wealthy person/group who wants to buy the club very quickly before we sell Luke & others.[/p][/quote]Sounds a bit like a club down the road but I wouldn't panic: it's a well run business so can be sold. I just get the feeling though, that it will continue under the present ownership. Getting a new chairman and manager is no big deal these days. Blackwaterblue
  • Score: 1

9:05am Thu 16 Jan 14

SaintAsh1964 says...

Several points need to be made;
1)NC resigned last Oct and has been working his contracted notice.
2)The Leibherr's have known about this situation and will have things in place, this is a multi-billion $ corporation and they know their stuff.
3)All of the players of note are on long term contract's and as stated are not for sale....unless of course stupid offers come in, £8m for Lambert? take it.
£20m+ for Shaw? take it.
4)If KL wants to sell the club, if she has no interest, then so be it, but it would'nt make sense to lower the value by selling it's biggest assets,IE its best players in January, at the end of the season maybe, but not now.
5)The Leibherrs have invested multi £m in a new training facilities and players,which to my mind shows long term commitment to the club.
6)You can bet your bottom $ that if it were for sale, there would be a long line of interested parties and you can also bet your bottom $ that if MoPo goes as well, there will be an even long line of very interested parties willing to join our fantastic club.
7)This time last year EVERYONE was critical of NC over the sacking of NA, and who the hell was MoPo?
8)If MoPo things that NC would have shown any loyalty to him, then he should look at the History of previous managers under NC.
9)NC has not invested a single penny of his own money in the club, it all came from the Leibherrs.
10) Dont panic all will be fine.
Peace to you all.
Several points need to be made; 1)NC resigned last Oct and has been working his contracted notice. 2)The Leibherr's have known about this situation and will have things in place, this is a multi-billion $ corporation and they know their stuff. 3)All of the players of note are on long term contract's and as stated are not for sale....unless of course stupid offers come in, £8m for Lambert? take it. £20m+ for Shaw? take it. 4)If KL wants to sell the club, if she has no interest, then so be it, but it would'nt make sense to lower the value by selling it's biggest assets,IE its best players in January, at the end of the season maybe, but not now. 5)The Leibherrs have invested multi £m in a new training facilities and players,which to my mind shows long term commitment to the club. 6)You can bet your bottom $ that if it were for sale, there would be a long line of interested parties and you can also bet your bottom $ that if MoPo goes as well, there will be an even long line of very interested parties willing to join our fantastic club. 7)This time last year EVERYONE was critical of NC over the sacking of NA, and who the hell was MoPo? 8)If MoPo things that NC would have shown any loyalty to him, then he should look at the History of previous managers under NC. 9)NC has not invested a single penny of his own money in the club, it all came from the Leibherrs. 10) Dont panic all will be fine. Peace to you all. SaintAsh1964
  • Score: 7

9:07am Thu 16 Jan 14

paulmsh says...

MP and NC were always on the same wavelength, so no doubt MP was aware of the situation and would have already decided what he would do. All will be revealed soon I think.
MP and NC were always on the same wavelength, so no doubt MP was aware of the situation and would have already decided what he would do. All will be revealed soon I think. paulmsh
  • Score: 0

9:09am Thu 16 Jan 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Blackwaterblue wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
I have always said that NC will leave when the money runs out. So the bus has stopped, the driver has left and we will now see several getting off starting with MP and his staff, then by our best young players being sold to recover all the money. The five year investment that Marcus committed to is at an end and its objective has been achieved, his family / companies will not commit any more to the club, therefore NC cannot take us any further.
Only hope is that there is a wealthy person/group who wants to buy the club very quickly before we sell Luke & others.
Sounds a bit like a club down the road but I wouldn't panic: it's a well run business so can be sold. I just get the feeling though, that it will continue under the present ownership. Getting a new chairman and manager is no big deal these days.
Hope you are right but I don't think Katharina or family/advisers have any interest in football, they have honored Marcus wish but will not invest any more and look to sell up. It does sound as if NC had someone lined up but
the offer could not be agreed. We now need Katharina to make a statement of intent about the future plans, appointing a new CEO may only be an interim appointment in order to asset strip/sell the club.
[quote][p][bold]Blackwaterblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: I have always said that NC will leave when the money runs out. So the bus has stopped, the driver has left and we will now see several getting off starting with MP and his staff, then by our best young players being sold to recover all the money. The five year investment that Marcus committed to is at an end and its objective has been achieved, his family / companies will not commit any more to the club, therefore NC cannot take us any further. Only hope is that there is a wealthy person/group who wants to buy the club very quickly before we sell Luke & others.[/p][/quote]Sounds a bit like a club down the road but I wouldn't panic: it's a well run business so can be sold. I just get the feeling though, that it will continue under the present ownership. Getting a new chairman and manager is no big deal these days.[/p][/quote]Hope you are right but I don't think Katharina or family/advisers have any interest in football, they have honored Marcus wish but will not invest any more and look to sell up. It does sound as if NC had someone lined up but the offer could not be agreed. We now need Katharina to make a statement of intent about the future plans, appointing a new CEO may only be an interim appointment in order to asset strip/sell the club. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: -2

9:29am Thu 16 Jan 14

BracknellSaint says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Several points need to be made;
1)NC resigned last Oct and has been working his contracted notice.
2)The Leibherr's have known about this situation and will have things in place, this is a multi-billion $ corporation and they know their stuff.
3)All of the players of note are on long term contract's and as stated are not for sale....unless of course stupid offers come in, £8m for Lambert? take it.
£20m+ for Shaw? take it.
4)If KL wants to sell the club, if she has no interest, then so be it, but it would'nt make sense to lower the value by selling it's biggest assets,IE its best players in January, at the end of the season maybe, but not now.
5)The Leibherrs have invested multi £m in a new training facilities and players,which to my mind shows long term commitment to the club.
6)You can bet your bottom $ that if it were for sale, there would be a long line of interested parties and you can also bet your bottom $ that if MoPo goes as well, there will be an even long line of very interested parties willing to join our fantastic club.
7)This time last year EVERYONE was critical of NC over the sacking of NA, and who the hell was MoPo?
8)If MoPo things that NC would have shown any loyalty to him, then he should look at the History of previous managers under NC.
9)NC has not invested a single penny of his own money in the club, it all came from the Leibherrs.
10) Dont panic all will be fine.
Peace to you all.
Agree with most of what you say.
Don't agree about selling Rickie/Luke though. Right now, especially in the January window, no amount of money makes selling a weakening the team make any sense.
I'm keeping a positive mind, that MoPo knew about this all along, and that last night's meeting wasn't a 'shock' but a regular strategic meeting to review the process of change,which you'd expect from any outgoing senior executive.
Cortese will quite likely be back as part of any takeover should the Lieberrs decide to sell. If they don't wish to, then they will have candidates lined up.
I'm a big fan of what NC has done for the club, but at the same time, if rumours that he wanted 100% control, and was keeping the 'money' at arms length, and not allowing them to be involved in/ have any say in his actions, as a corporation, that would be a worry in any business field...
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: Several points need to be made; 1)NC resigned last Oct and has been working his contracted notice. 2)The Leibherr's have known about this situation and will have things in place, this is a multi-billion $ corporation and they know their stuff. 3)All of the players of note are on long term contract's and as stated are not for sale....unless of course stupid offers come in, £8m for Lambert? take it. £20m+ for Shaw? take it. 4)If KL wants to sell the club, if she has no interest, then so be it, but it would'nt make sense to lower the value by selling it's biggest assets,IE its best players in January, at the end of the season maybe, but not now. 5)The Leibherrs have invested multi £m in a new training facilities and players,which to my mind shows long term commitment to the club. 6)You can bet your bottom $ that if it were for sale, there would be a long line of interested parties and you can also bet your bottom $ that if MoPo goes as well, there will be an even long line of very interested parties willing to join our fantastic club. 7)This time last year EVERYONE was critical of NC over the sacking of NA, and who the hell was MoPo? 8)If MoPo things that NC would have shown any loyalty to him, then he should look at the History of previous managers under NC. 9)NC has not invested a single penny of his own money in the club, it all came from the Leibherrs. 10) Dont panic all will be fine. Peace to you all.[/p][/quote]Agree with most of what you say. Don't agree about selling Rickie/Luke though. Right now, especially in the January window, no amount of money makes selling a weakening the team make any sense. I'm keeping a positive mind, that MoPo knew about this all along, and that last night's meeting wasn't a 'shock' but a regular strategic meeting to review the process of change,which you'd expect from any outgoing senior executive. Cortese will quite likely be back as part of any takeover should the Lieberrs decide to sell. If they don't wish to, then they will have candidates lined up. I'm a big fan of what NC has done for the club, but at the same time, if rumours that he wanted 100% control, and was keeping the 'money' at arms length, and not allowing them to be involved in/ have any say in his actions, as a corporation, that would be a worry in any business field... BracknellSaint
  • Score: 2

9:30am Thu 16 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

andoru wrote:
Bitterne Park Tim wrote:
What a drama...... Senior execs leave companies all the time..... As do managers.

We might get sold........ So what?

As long as we have 11 players on the pitch to support I really do not care who runs the company that makes that happen.

Relax.....
I don't just want "11 players on the pitch". I want these players. I want Shaw. I want Lallana. I want Lovren, Clyne and Wanyama. I want Boruc. I want Schneiderlin. I want all of them (except Fox and Hooieveld). And I want the ambition to stay with us. I don't want us to become a little club again, a selling club that accepts mid-table as a dream finish to the season. I want to keep on pushing up the table. And that's what's worrying right now. Will we still have the players who can take us forward or will she sell them off if her main motive is money? We just don't know. If she's smart, she'll do what she can to hold on to them before selling as they'll increase the club's value. But it might be beyond her. If a 'big club' comes in with a massive offer today, will she turn it down or take the cash? And how many times will she take the cash? Until we only have academy players and benchwarmers left? There is too much uncertainty. That's what people are worrying about. It's not so easy to "relax".
Thanks for saving me the trouble of answering a poster who obviously just doesn't get the revolution that has been taking place these last few years.

12 training pitches to represent each type of grass that exists in the Prem so we can train on the appropriate one for the next away game. Each player's personal mattress being delivered to the hotels in advance and a deep clean of the rooms to avoid bugs and snivels. Tim obviously doesn't get that. Same as we 'might get sold, so what' - I was happy with a multi billionaire German industrialist and don't want one of those idiots that Hull and Cardiff have ended up with or god forbid the type of owner that the sh1t to the east specialise in.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bitterne Park Tim[/bold] wrote: What a drama...... Senior execs leave companies all the time..... As do managers. We might get sold........ So what? As long as we have 11 players on the pitch to support I really do not care who runs the company that makes that happen. Relax.....[/p][/quote]I don't just want "11 players on the pitch". I want these players. I want Shaw. I want Lallana. I want Lovren, Clyne and Wanyama. I want Boruc. I want Schneiderlin. I want all of them (except Fox and Hooieveld). And I want the ambition to stay with us. I don't want us to become a little club again, a selling club that accepts mid-table as a dream finish to the season. I want to keep on pushing up the table. And that's what's worrying right now. Will we still have the players who can take us forward or will she sell them off if her main motive is money? We just don't know. If she's smart, she'll do what she can to hold on to them before selling as they'll increase the club's value. But it might be beyond her. If a 'big club' comes in with a massive offer today, will she turn it down or take the cash? And how many times will she take the cash? Until we only have academy players and benchwarmers left? There is too much uncertainty. That's what people are worrying about. It's not so easy to "relax".[/p][/quote]Thanks for saving me the trouble of answering a poster who obviously just doesn't get the revolution that has been taking place these last few years. 12 training pitches to represent each type of grass that exists in the Prem so we can train on the appropriate one for the next away game. Each player's personal mattress being delivered to the hotels in advance and a deep clean of the rooms to avoid bugs and snivels. Tim obviously doesn't get that. Same as we 'might get sold, so what' - I was happy with a multi billionaire German industrialist and don't want one of those idiots that Hull and Cardiff have ended up with or god forbid the type of owner that the sh1t to the east specialise in. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

9:31am Thu 16 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
I have always said that NC will leave when the money runs out. So the bus has stopped, the driver has left and we will now see several getting off starting with MP and his staff, then by our best young players being sold to recover all the money. The five year investment that Marcus committed to is at an end and its objective has been achieved, his family / companies will not commit any more to the club, therefore NC cannot take us any further.
Only hope is that there is a wealthy person/group who wants to buy the club very quickly before we sell Luke & others.
Why would they want to spend five years creating something special and then dismantle it? Seems a strange plan to me.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: I have always said that NC will leave when the money runs out. So the bus has stopped, the driver has left and we will now see several getting off starting with MP and his staff, then by our best young players being sold to recover all the money. The five year investment that Marcus committed to is at an end and its objective has been achieved, his family / companies will not commit any more to the club, therefore NC cannot take us any further. Only hope is that there is a wealthy person/group who wants to buy the club very quickly before we sell Luke & others.[/p][/quote]Why would they want to spend five years creating something special and then dismantle it? Seems a strange plan to me. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

9:46am Thu 16 Jan 14

andoru says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Several points need to be made;
1)NC resigned last Oct and has been working his contracted notice.
2)The Leibherr's have known about this situation and will have things in place, this is a multi-billion $ corporation and they know their stuff.
3)All of the players of note are on long term contract's and as stated are not for sale....unless of course stupid offers come in, £8m for Lambert? take it.
£20m+ for Shaw? take it.
4)If KL wants to sell the club, if she has no interest, then so be it, but it would'nt make sense to lower the value by selling it's biggest assets,IE its best players in January, at the end of the season maybe, but not now.
5)The Leibherrs have invested multi £m in a new training facilities and players,which to my mind shows long term commitment to the club.
6)You can bet your bottom $ that if it were for sale, there would be a long line of interested parties and you can also bet your bottom $ that if MoPo goes as well, there will be an even long line of very interested parties willing to join our fantastic club.
7)This time last year EVERYONE was critical of NC over the sacking of NA, and who the hell was MoPo?
8)If MoPo things that NC would have shown any loyalty to him, then he should look at the History of previous managers under NC.
9)NC has not invested a single penny of his own money in the club, it all came from the Leibherrs.
10) Dont panic all will be fine.
Peace to you all.
Re: Point 5

All that shows is they have a long term commitment to developing youth players, not to the continued growth of the club. We could easily become the selling club of old again, churning out talented youngsters to supply the bigger and big-spending teams. This isn't what Cortese did it for. I don't want us to stall. I want our march upwards to continue.
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: Several points need to be made; 1)NC resigned last Oct and has been working his contracted notice. 2)The Leibherr's have known about this situation and will have things in place, this is a multi-billion $ corporation and they know their stuff. 3)All of the players of note are on long term contract's and as stated are not for sale....unless of course stupid offers come in, £8m for Lambert? take it. £20m+ for Shaw? take it. 4)If KL wants to sell the club, if she has no interest, then so be it, but it would'nt make sense to lower the value by selling it's biggest assets,IE its best players in January, at the end of the season maybe, but not now. 5)The Leibherrs have invested multi £m in a new training facilities and players,which to my mind shows long term commitment to the club. 6)You can bet your bottom $ that if it were for sale, there would be a long line of interested parties and you can also bet your bottom $ that if MoPo goes as well, there will be an even long line of very interested parties willing to join our fantastic club. 7)This time last year EVERYONE was critical of NC over the sacking of NA, and who the hell was MoPo? 8)If MoPo things that NC would have shown any loyalty to him, then he should look at the History of previous managers under NC. 9)NC has not invested a single penny of his own money in the club, it all came from the Leibherrs. 10) Dont panic all will be fine. Peace to you all.[/p][/quote]Re: Point 5 All that shows is they have a long term commitment to developing youth players, not to the continued growth of the club. We could easily become the selling club of old again, churning out talented youngsters to supply the bigger and big-spending teams. This isn't what Cortese did it for. I don't want us to stall. I want our march upwards to continue. andoru
  • Score: 0

9:53am Thu 16 Jan 14

SiamSaint says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
I have always said that NC will leave when the money runs out. So the bus has stopped, the driver has left and we will now see several getting off starting with MP and his staff, then by our best young players being sold to recover all the money. The five year investment that Marcus committed to is at an end and its objective has been achieved, his family / companies will not commit any more to the club, therefore NC cannot take us any further.
Only hope is that there is a wealthy person/group who wants to buy the club very quickly before we sell Luke & others.
A sobering, probably truthful thought. 14 million in,140 million out... In five years. Niiice.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: I have always said that NC will leave when the money runs out. So the bus has stopped, the driver has left and we will now see several getting off starting with MP and his staff, then by our best young players being sold to recover all the money. The five year investment that Marcus committed to is at an end and its objective has been achieved, his family / companies will not commit any more to the club, therefore NC cannot take us any further. Only hope is that there is a wealthy person/group who wants to buy the club very quickly before we sell Luke & others.[/p][/quote]A sobering, probably truthful thought. 14 million in,140 million out... In five years. Niiice. SiamSaint
  • Score: 0

9:55am Thu 16 Jan 14

SiamSaint says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Several points need to be made;
1)NC resigned last Oct and has been working his contracted notice.
2)The Leibherr's have known about this situation and will have things in place, this is a multi-billion $ corporation and they know their stuff.
3)All of the players of note are on long term contract's and as stated are not for sale....unless of course stupid offers come in, £8m for Lambert? take it.
£20m+ for Shaw? take it.
4)If KL wants to sell the club, if she has no interest, then so be it, but it would'nt make sense to lower the value by selling it's biggest assets,IE its best players in January, at the end of the season maybe, but not now.
5)The Leibherrs have invested multi £m in a new training facilities and players,which to my mind shows long term commitment to the club.
6)You can bet your bottom $ that if it were for sale, there would be a long line of interested parties and you can also bet your bottom $ that if MoPo goes as well, there will be an even long line of very interested parties willing to join our fantastic club.
7)This time last year EVERYONE was critical of NC over the sacking of NA, and who the hell was MoPo?
8)If MoPo things that NC would have shown any loyalty to him, then he should look at the History of previous managers under NC.
9)NC has not invested a single penny of his own money in the club, it all came from the Leibherrs.
10) Dont panic all will be fine.
Peace to you all.
A great post. Realistic but somehow optimistic. Hope you are right!
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: Several points need to be made; 1)NC resigned last Oct and has been working his contracted notice. 2)The Leibherr's have known about this situation and will have things in place, this is a multi-billion $ corporation and they know their stuff. 3)All of the players of note are on long term contract's and as stated are not for sale....unless of course stupid offers come in, £8m for Lambert? take it. £20m+ for Shaw? take it. 4)If KL wants to sell the club, if she has no interest, then so be it, but it would'nt make sense to lower the value by selling it's biggest assets,IE its best players in January, at the end of the season maybe, but not now. 5)The Leibherrs have invested multi £m in a new training facilities and players,which to my mind shows long term commitment to the club. 6)You can bet your bottom $ that if it were for sale, there would be a long line of interested parties and you can also bet your bottom $ that if MoPo goes as well, there will be an even long line of very interested parties willing to join our fantastic club. 7)This time last year EVERYONE was critical of NC over the sacking of NA, and who the hell was MoPo? 8)If MoPo things that NC would have shown any loyalty to him, then he should look at the History of previous managers under NC. 9)NC has not invested a single penny of his own money in the club, it all came from the Leibherrs. 10) Dont panic all will be fine. Peace to you all.[/p][/quote]A great post. Realistic but somehow optimistic. Hope you are right! SiamSaint
  • Score: 0

9:58am Thu 16 Jan 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
I have always said that NC will leave when the money runs out. So the bus has stopped, the driver has left and we will now see several getting off starting with MP and his staff, then by our best young players being sold to recover all the money. The five year investment that Marcus committed to is at an end and its objective has been achieved, his family / companies will not commit any more to the club, therefore NC cannot take us any further.
Only hope is that there is a wealthy person/group who wants to buy the club very quickly before we sell Luke & others.
Why would they want to spend five years creating something special and then dismantle it? Seems a strange plan to me.
Hope they don't but when Marcus died Katharina said they would honor his wishes, which she has done but now this is coming to an end. She does not appear to have any interest in football clearly NC has left because of differences over future plans and investment, otherwise why did he resign.
The only reason could be a possible personality clash as NC is not an easy man to deal with. In which case replacing NC with a new positive CEO may just be the best way to take us forward, just as NC did to AP & NA !!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: I have always said that NC will leave when the money runs out. So the bus has stopped, the driver has left and we will now see several getting off starting with MP and his staff, then by our best young players being sold to recover all the money. The five year investment that Marcus committed to is at an end and its objective has been achieved, his family / companies will not commit any more to the club, therefore NC cannot take us any further. Only hope is that there is a wealthy person/group who wants to buy the club very quickly before we sell Luke & others.[/p][/quote]Why would they want to spend five years creating something special and then dismantle it? Seems a strange plan to me.[/p][/quote]Hope they don't but when Marcus died Katharina said they would honor his wishes, which she has done but now this is coming to an end. She does not appear to have any interest in football clearly NC has left because of differences over future plans and investment, otherwise why did he resign. The only reason could be a possible personality clash as NC is not an easy man to deal with. In which case replacing NC with a new positive CEO may just be the best way to take us forward, just as NC did to AP & NA !! NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 0

10:01am Thu 16 Jan 14

therealredarmy says...

Why would he leave he sign a contract so he's tied to it !
Why would he leave he sign a contract so he's tied to it ! therealredarmy
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10:11am Thu 16 Jan 14

SaintAsh1964 says...

andoru wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Several points need to be made;
1)NC resigned last Oct and has been working his contracted notice.
2)The Leibherr's have known about this situation and will have things in place, this is a multi-billion $ corporation and they know their stuff.
3)All of the players of note are on long term contract's and as stated are not for sale....unless of course stupid offers come in, £8m for Lambert? take it.
£20m+ for Shaw? take it.
4)If KL wants to sell the club, if she has no interest, then so be it, but it would'nt make sense to lower the value by selling it's biggest assets,IE its best players in January, at the end of the season maybe, but not now.
5)The Leibherrs have invested multi £m in a new training facilities and players,which to my mind shows long term commitment to the club.
6)You can bet your bottom $ that if it were for sale, there would be a long line of interested parties and you can also bet your bottom $ that if MoPo goes as well, there will be an even long line of very interested parties willing to join our fantastic club.
7)This time last year EVERYONE was critical of NC over the sacking of NA, and who the hell was MoPo?
8)If MoPo things that NC would have shown any loyalty to him, then he should look at the History of previous managers under NC.
9)NC has not invested a single penny of his own money in the club, it all came from the Leibherrs.
10) Dont panic all will be fine.
Peace to you all.
Re: Point 5

All that shows is they have a long term commitment to developing youth players, not to the continued growth of the club. We could easily become the selling club of old again, churning out talented youngsters to supply the bigger and big-spending teams. This isn't what Cortese did it for. I don't want us to stall. I want our march upwards to continue.
Actually point 5 confirms both, £70m on new players in 5 years AND continued investment in the best training & Academy facilities in the country ensuring a stream of potential England stars.
COYR
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: Several points need to be made; 1)NC resigned last Oct and has been working his contracted notice. 2)The Leibherr's have known about this situation and will have things in place, this is a multi-billion $ corporation and they know their stuff. 3)All of the players of note are on long term contract's and as stated are not for sale....unless of course stupid offers come in, £8m for Lambert? take it. £20m+ for Shaw? take it. 4)If KL wants to sell the club, if she has no interest, then so be it, but it would'nt make sense to lower the value by selling it's biggest assets,IE its best players in January, at the end of the season maybe, but not now. 5)The Leibherrs have invested multi £m in a new training facilities and players,which to my mind shows long term commitment to the club. 6)You can bet your bottom $ that if it were for sale, there would be a long line of interested parties and you can also bet your bottom $ that if MoPo goes as well, there will be an even long line of very interested parties willing to join our fantastic club. 7)This time last year EVERYONE was critical of NC over the sacking of NA, and who the hell was MoPo? 8)If MoPo things that NC would have shown any loyalty to him, then he should look at the History of previous managers under NC. 9)NC has not invested a single penny of his own money in the club, it all came from the Leibherrs. 10) Dont panic all will be fine. Peace to you all.[/p][/quote]Re: Point 5 All that shows is they have a long term commitment to developing youth players, not to the continued growth of the club. We could easily become the selling club of old again, churning out talented youngsters to supply the bigger and big-spending teams. This isn't what Cortese did it for. I don't want us to stall. I want our march upwards to continue.[/p][/quote]Actually point 5 confirms both, £70m on new players in 5 years AND continued investment in the best training & Academy facilities in the country ensuring a stream of potential England stars. COYR SaintAsh1964
  • Score: 0

10:12am Thu 16 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

I can't see MP resigning on the spur of the moment. However, he's built a very impressive CV here at Saints so the danger has to be if an attractive offer comes in for him.

Previously he could see the Saints vision so clubs that would have been seen as bigger than Saints wouldn't have necessarily been a lure.

We just have to hope none of these big opportunities surfaces before he gets the chance to hear the vision of any new chairman. Hopefully though he'll already be aware of what's been going on behind the scenes anyway.

And hopefully Nicola will be back. We'll have to wait and see.
I can't see MP resigning on the spur of the moment. However, he's built a very impressive CV here at Saints so the danger has to be if an attractive offer comes in for him. Previously he could see the Saints vision so clubs that would have been seen as bigger than Saints wouldn't have necessarily been a lure. We just have to hope none of these big opportunities surfaces before he gets the chance to hear the vision of any new chairman. Hopefully though he'll already be aware of what's been going on behind the scenes anyway. And hopefully Nicola will be back. We'll have to wait and see. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

10:19am Thu 16 Jan 14

up saints says...

i think mp will not be in charge saturday lambert shaw chambers jwp and many more will go in the transfere window or in the summer.NC in my opinion was a hard man but a fair man and wanted more for the club than was on offer i wish him well.WE ARE IN THE SH-T i bet pompey are laughing.
i think mp will not be in charge saturday lambert shaw chambers jwp and many more will go in the transfere window or in the summer.NC in my opinion was a hard man but a fair man and wanted more for the club than was on offer i wish him well.WE ARE IN THE SH-T i bet pompey are laughing. up saints
  • Score: -2

10:20am Thu 16 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

up saints wrote:
i think mp will not be in charge saturday lambert shaw chambers jwp and many more will go in the transfere window or in the summer.NC in my opinion was a hard man but a fair man and wanted more for the club than was on offer i wish him well.WE ARE IN THE SH-T i bet pompey are laughing.
I bet you're a bit fishy
[quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: i think mp will not be in charge saturday lambert shaw chambers jwp and many more will go in the transfere window or in the summer.NC in my opinion was a hard man but a fair man and wanted more for the club than was on offer i wish him well.WE ARE IN THE SH-T i bet pompey are laughing.[/p][/quote]I bet you're a bit fishy SaintJD
  • Score: 2

10:27am Thu 16 Jan 14

up saints says...

SaintJD wrote:
up saints wrote:
i think mp will not be in charge saturday lambert shaw chambers jwp and many more will go in the transfere window or in the summer.NC in my opinion was a hard man but a fair man and wanted more for the club than was on offer i wish him well.WE ARE IN THE SH-T i bet pompey are laughing.
I bet you're a bit fishy
at times like this i wish i was a bit fishy if you think things are looking good today on the south coast your in denial.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: i think mp will not be in charge saturday lambert shaw chambers jwp and many more will go in the transfere window or in the summer.NC in my opinion was a hard man but a fair man and wanted more for the club than was on offer i wish him well.WE ARE IN THE SH-T i bet pompey are laughing.[/p][/quote]I bet you're a bit fishy[/p][/quote]at times like this i wish i was a bit fishy if you think things are looking good today on the south coast your in denial. up saints
  • Score: -2

10:56am Thu 16 Jan 14

Letissmanboobs says...

What with financial fairplay rules about to come into play in a more forthright manner, the shrwed Liebhers must know that they cannot bankroll the club the way they have done in the past. So they're rationalising the club in order to fit the attendance that can be expected at St Fairies. 25,000 a week = a yoyo club. You ain't gonna be pushing for honours or champions league places because your fan base and your history doesn't enable you to dream those dreams. We dreamt them, and borrowed against them, and now we've reaped the whirlwind and just about scraped through. The best you can hope is that your excellent academy keeps on churning out saleable assets and you can survive by selling your best talent as you did with Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Bale and are likley to soon with Lallana and Shaw. That's the best that small provincial clubs can hope for.
What with financial fairplay rules about to come into play in a more forthright manner, the shrwed Liebhers must know that they cannot bankroll the club the way they have done in the past. So they're rationalising the club in order to fit the attendance that can be expected at St Fairies. 25,000 a week = a yoyo club. You ain't gonna be pushing for honours or champions league places because your fan base and your history doesn't enable you to dream those dreams. We dreamt them, and borrowed against them, and now we've reaped the whirlwind and just about scraped through. The best you can hope is that your excellent academy keeps on churning out saleable assets and you can survive by selling your best talent as you did with Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Bale and are likley to soon with Lallana and Shaw. That's the best that small provincial clubs can hope for. Letissmanboobs
  • Score: -2

11:05am Thu 16 Jan 14

andoru says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
andoru wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Several points need to be made;
1)NC resigned last Oct and has been working his contracted notice.
2)The Leibherr's have known about this situation and will have things in place, this is a multi-billion $ corporation and they know their stuff.
3)All of the players of note are on long term contract's and as stated are not for sale....unless of course stupid offers come in, £8m for Lambert? take it.
£20m+ for Shaw? take it.
4)If KL wants to sell the club, if she has no interest, then so be it, but it would'nt make sense to lower the value by selling it's biggest assets,IE its best players in January, at the end of the season maybe, but not now.
5)The Leibherrs have invested multi £m in a new training facilities and players,which to my mind shows long term commitment to the club.
6)You can bet your bottom $ that if it were for sale, there would be a long line of interested parties and you can also bet your bottom $ that if MoPo goes as well, there will be an even long line of very interested parties willing to join our fantastic club.
7)This time last year EVERYONE was critical of NC over the sacking of NA, and who the hell was MoPo?
8)If MoPo things that NC would have shown any loyalty to him, then he should look at the History of previous managers under NC.
9)NC has not invested a single penny of his own money in the club, it all came from the Leibherrs.
10) Dont panic all will be fine.
Peace to you all.
Re: Point 5

All that shows is they have a long term commitment to developing youth players, not to the continued growth of the club. We could easily become the selling club of old again, churning out talented youngsters to supply the bigger and big-spending teams. This isn't what Cortese did it for. I don't want us to stall. I want our march upwards to continue.
Actually point 5 confirms both, £70m on new players in 5 years AND continued investment in the best training & Academy facilities in the country ensuring a stream of potential England stars.
COYR
Yeah, except something changed yesterday. We lost a chairman who routinely tells the big clubs, 'No'. We don't know if they will now. They might be content to use the club as a factory, of players for other teams and money for themselves. I've dared to dream a little bigger than that these past few years.
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: Several points need to be made; 1)NC resigned last Oct and has been working his contracted notice. 2)The Leibherr's have known about this situation and will have things in place, this is a multi-billion $ corporation and they know their stuff. 3)All of the players of note are on long term contract's and as stated are not for sale....unless of course stupid offers come in, £8m for Lambert? take it. £20m+ for Shaw? take it. 4)If KL wants to sell the club, if she has no interest, then so be it, but it would'nt make sense to lower the value by selling it's biggest assets,IE its best players in January, at the end of the season maybe, but not now. 5)The Leibherrs have invested multi £m in a new training facilities and players,which to my mind shows long term commitment to the club. 6)You can bet your bottom $ that if it were for sale, there would be a long line of interested parties and you can also bet your bottom $ that if MoPo goes as well, there will be an even long line of very interested parties willing to join our fantastic club. 7)This time last year EVERYONE was critical of NC over the sacking of NA, and who the hell was MoPo? 8)If MoPo things that NC would have shown any loyalty to him, then he should look at the History of previous managers under NC. 9)NC has not invested a single penny of his own money in the club, it all came from the Leibherrs. 10) Dont panic all will be fine. Peace to you all.[/p][/quote]Re: Point 5 All that shows is they have a long term commitment to developing youth players, not to the continued growth of the club. We could easily become the selling club of old again, churning out talented youngsters to supply the bigger and big-spending teams. This isn't what Cortese did it for. I don't want us to stall. I want our march upwards to continue.[/p][/quote]Actually point 5 confirms both, £70m on new players in 5 years AND continued investment in the best training & Academy facilities in the country ensuring a stream of potential England stars. COYR[/p][/quote]Yeah, except something changed yesterday. We lost a chairman who routinely tells the big clubs, 'No'. We don't know if they will now. They might be content to use the club as a factory, of players for other teams and money for themselves. I've dared to dream a little bigger than that these past few years. andoru
  • Score: 2

11:12am Thu 16 Jan 14

Letissmanboobs says...

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/25
753319

Eeek!
http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/25 753319 Eeek! Letissmanboobs
  • Score: 0

11:12am Thu 16 Jan 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

andoru wrote:
Bitterne Park Tim wrote:
What a drama...... Senior execs leave companies all the time..... As do managers.

We might get sold........ So what?

As long as we have 11 players on the pitch to support I really do not care who runs the company that makes that happen.

Relax.....
I don't just want "11 players on the pitch". I want these players. I want Shaw. I want Lallana. I want Lovren, Clyne and Wanyama. I want Boruc. I want Schneiderlin. I want all of them (except Fox and Hooieveld). And I want the ambition to stay with us. I don't want us to become a little club again, a selling club that accepts mid-table as a dream finish to the season. I want to keep on pushing up the table. And that's what's worrying right now. Will we still have the players who can take us forward or will she sell them off if her main motive is money? We just don't know. If she's smart, she'll do what she can to hold on to them before selling as they'll increase the club's value. But it might be beyond her. If a 'big club' comes in with a massive offer today, will she turn it down or take the cash? And how many times will she take the cash? Until we only have academy players and benchwarmers left? There is too much uncertainty. That's what people are worrying about. It's not so easy to "relax".
I understand your fear, but financially the club is worth more than the sum of player values. If she is looking to sell, she should sell the club with players on contract...

However...

Maybe she was NOT actually looking to sell, but was satisfied with the clubs performance, but Cortese wanted to push ahead with further investments. Perhaps her ultimatum was, "okay, but I need a representative on the board" Cortese rejected, and the stalemate arose. If true, the Cortese was acting like a dictator, backed by someone else's money.

I hope that Ms. Liebherr keeps ownership, installs a brilliant and loyal manager from her dynasty, and then feels more comfortable investing.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bitterne Park Tim[/bold] wrote: What a drama...... Senior execs leave companies all the time..... As do managers. We might get sold........ So what? As long as we have 11 players on the pitch to support I really do not care who runs the company that makes that happen. Relax.....[/p][/quote]I don't just want "11 players on the pitch". I want these players. I want Shaw. I want Lallana. I want Lovren, Clyne and Wanyama. I want Boruc. I want Schneiderlin. I want all of them (except Fox and Hooieveld). And I want the ambition to stay with us. I don't want us to become a little club again, a selling club that accepts mid-table as a dream finish to the season. I want to keep on pushing up the table. And that's what's worrying right now. Will we still have the players who can take us forward or will she sell them off if her main motive is money? We just don't know. If she's smart, she'll do what she can to hold on to them before selling as they'll increase the club's value. But it might be beyond her. If a 'big club' comes in with a massive offer today, will she turn it down or take the cash? And how many times will she take the cash? Until we only have academy players and benchwarmers left? There is too much uncertainty. That's what people are worrying about. It's not so easy to "relax".[/p][/quote]I understand your fear, but financially the club is worth more than the sum of player values. If she is looking to sell, she should sell the club with players on contract... However... Maybe she was NOT actually looking to sell, but was satisfied with the clubs performance, but Cortese wanted to push ahead with further investments. Perhaps her ultimatum was, "okay, but I need a representative on the board" Cortese rejected, and the stalemate arose. If true, the Cortese was acting like a dictator, backed by someone else's money. I hope that Ms. Liebherr keeps ownership, installs a brilliant and loyal manager from her dynasty, and then feels more comfortable investing. BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 0

11:30am Thu 16 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
I have always said that NC will leave when the money runs out. So the bus has stopped, the driver has left and we will now see several getting off starting with MP and his staff, then by our best young players being sold to recover all the money. The five year investment that Marcus committed to is at an end and its objective has been achieved, his family / companies will not commit any more to the club, therefore NC cannot take us any further.
Only hope is that there is a wealthy person/group who wants to buy the club very quickly before we sell Luke & others.
Why would they want to spend five years creating something special and then dismantle it? Seems a strange plan to me.
Hope they don't but when Marcus died Katharina said they would honor his wishes, which she has done but now this is coming to an end. She does not appear to have any interest in football clearly NC has left because of differences over future plans and investment, otherwise why did he resign.
The only reason could be a possible personality clash as NC is not an easy man to deal with. In which case replacing NC with a new positive CEO may just be the best way to take us forward, just as NC did to AP & NA !!
But will that new CEO have the vision, drive and ambition of Cortese? Or will he be a KL poodle and reign back the plans? If we reign it in then the likes of MoPo, Shaw, Clyne, Lovren, Spider, Adam etc will see their personal ambitions better served elsewhere and a slow decline or even quick decline will set in. They are all here because they bought into the Cortese vision.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: I have always said that NC will leave when the money runs out. So the bus has stopped, the driver has left and we will now see several getting off starting with MP and his staff, then by our best young players being sold to recover all the money. The five year investment that Marcus committed to is at an end and its objective has been achieved, his family / companies will not commit any more to the club, therefore NC cannot take us any further. Only hope is that there is a wealthy person/group who wants to buy the club very quickly before we sell Luke & others.[/p][/quote]Why would they want to spend five years creating something special and then dismantle it? Seems a strange plan to me.[/p][/quote]Hope they don't but when Marcus died Katharina said they would honor his wishes, which she has done but now this is coming to an end. She does not appear to have any interest in football clearly NC has left because of differences over future plans and investment, otherwise why did he resign. The only reason could be a possible personality clash as NC is not an easy man to deal with. In which case replacing NC with a new positive CEO may just be the best way to take us forward, just as NC did to AP & NA !![/p][/quote]But will that new CEO have the vision, drive and ambition of Cortese? Or will he be a KL poodle and reign back the plans? If we reign it in then the likes of MoPo, Shaw, Clyne, Lovren, Spider, Adam etc will see their personal ambitions better served elsewhere and a slow decline or even quick decline will set in. They are all here because they bought into the Cortese vision. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

11:35am Thu 16 Jan 14

SaintAsh1964 says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
andoru wrote:
Bitterne Park Tim wrote:
What a drama...... Senior execs leave companies all the time..... As do managers.

We might get sold........ So what?

As long as we have 11 players on the pitch to support I really do not care who runs the company that makes that happen.

Relax.....
I don't just want "11 players on the pitch". I want these players. I want Shaw. I want Lallana. I want Lovren, Clyne and Wanyama. I want Boruc. I want Schneiderlin. I want all of them (except Fox and Hooieveld). And I want the ambition to stay with us. I don't want us to become a little club again, a selling club that accepts mid-table as a dream finish to the season. I want to keep on pushing up the table. And that's what's worrying right now. Will we still have the players who can take us forward or will she sell them off if her main motive is money? We just don't know. If she's smart, she'll do what she can to hold on to them before selling as they'll increase the club's value. But it might be beyond her. If a 'big club' comes in with a massive offer today, will she turn it down or take the cash? And how many times will she take the cash? Until we only have academy players and benchwarmers left? There is too much uncertainty. That's what people are worrying about. It's not so easy to "relax".
I understand your fear, but financially the club is worth more than the sum of player values. If she is looking to sell, she should sell the club with players on contract...

However...

Maybe she was NOT actually looking to sell, but was satisfied with the clubs performance, but Cortese wanted to push ahead with further investments. Perhaps her ultimatum was, "okay, but I need a representative on the board" Cortese rejected, and the stalemate arose. If true, the Cortese was acting like a dictator, backed by someone else's money.

I hope that Ms. Liebherr keeps ownership, installs a brilliant and loyal manager from her dynasty, and then feels more comfortable investing.
Bigbuzz, as I understand it, that is the situation, KL wanted someone on the board to oversee/keep an eye/ call it what you like, how the club was being run, especially if NC wanted extra funding.
Lets not forget NC, although done extremely well, has upset a lot of people at the club, MLT/FB/LMcM to name just a few and we now understand that he ruled with an iron fist, what will be will be and we'll all still be LOYAL SAINTS FANS no matter what, who or maybe!
UTS
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bitterne Park Tim[/bold] wrote: What a drama...... Senior execs leave companies all the time..... As do managers. We might get sold........ So what? As long as we have 11 players on the pitch to support I really do not care who runs the company that makes that happen. Relax.....[/p][/quote]I don't just want "11 players on the pitch". I want these players. I want Shaw. I want Lallana. I want Lovren, Clyne and Wanyama. I want Boruc. I want Schneiderlin. I want all of them (except Fox and Hooieveld). And I want the ambition to stay with us. I don't want us to become a little club again, a selling club that accepts mid-table as a dream finish to the season. I want to keep on pushing up the table. And that's what's worrying right now. Will we still have the players who can take us forward or will she sell them off if her main motive is money? We just don't know. If she's smart, she'll do what she can to hold on to them before selling as they'll increase the club's value. But it might be beyond her. If a 'big club' comes in with a massive offer today, will she turn it down or take the cash? And how many times will she take the cash? Until we only have academy players and benchwarmers left? There is too much uncertainty. That's what people are worrying about. It's not so easy to "relax".[/p][/quote]I understand your fear, but financially the club is worth more than the sum of player values. If she is looking to sell, she should sell the club with players on contract... However... Maybe she was NOT actually looking to sell, but was satisfied with the clubs performance, but Cortese wanted to push ahead with further investments. Perhaps her ultimatum was, "okay, but I need a representative on the board" Cortese rejected, and the stalemate arose. If true, the Cortese was acting like a dictator, backed by someone else's money. I hope that Ms. Liebherr keeps ownership, installs a brilliant and loyal manager from her dynasty, and then feels more comfortable investing.[/p][/quote]Bigbuzz, as I understand it, that is the situation, KL wanted someone on the board to oversee/keep an eye/ call it what you like, how the club was being run, especially if NC wanted extra funding. Lets not forget NC, although done extremely well, has upset a lot of people at the club, MLT/FB/LMcM to name just a few and we now understand that he ruled with an iron fist, what will be will be and we'll all still be LOYAL SAINTS FANS no matter what, who or maybe! UTS SaintAsh1964
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11:42am Thu 16 Jan 14

SaintAsh1964 says...

andoru wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
andoru wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Several points need to be made;
1)NC resigned last Oct and has been working his contracted notice.
2)The Leibherr's have known about this situation and will have things in place, this is a multi-billion $ corporation and they know their stuff.
3)All of the players of note are on long term contract's and as stated are not for sale....unless of course stupid offers come in, £8m for Lambert? take it.
£20m+ for Shaw? take it.
4)If KL wants to sell the club, if she has no interest, then so be it, but it would'nt make sense to lower the value by selling it's biggest assets,IE its best players in January, at the end of the season maybe, but not now.
5)The Leibherrs have invested multi £m in a new training facilities and players,which to my mind shows long term commitment to the club.
6)You can bet your bottom $ that if it were for sale, there would be a long line of interested parties and you can also bet your bottom $ that if MoPo goes as well, there will be an even long line of very interested parties willing to join our fantastic club.
7)This time last year EVERYONE was critical of NC over the sacking of NA, and who the hell was MoPo?
8)If MoPo things that NC would have shown any loyalty to him, then he should look at the History of previous managers under NC.
9)NC has not invested a single penny of his own money in the club, it all came from the Leibherrs.
10) Dont panic all will be fine.
Peace to you all.
Re: Point 5

All that shows is they have a long term commitment to developing youth players, not to the continued growth of the club. We could easily become the selling club of old again, churning out talented youngsters to supply the bigger and big-spending teams. This isn't what Cortese did it for. I don't want us to stall. I want our march upwards to continue.
Actually point 5 confirms both, £70m on new players in 5 years AND continued investment in the best training & Academy facilities in the country ensuring a stream of potential England stars.
COYR
Yeah, except something changed yesterday. We lost a chairman who routinely tells the big clubs, 'No'. We don't know if they will now. They might be content to use the club as a factory, of players for other teams and money for themselves. I've dared to dream a little bigger than that these past few years.
You say use the money for them selves?
The Leibherrs are worth BILLIONS OF £££££££££!
Do you really think a couple of Million £ really means that much to them?
Of course they are Business people, but the club is worth more to them as a successfully ran entity than running it in to the ground and getting rid of any promising youngster.
We just need to wait and see what happens.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: Several points need to be made; 1)NC resigned last Oct and has been working his contracted notice. 2)The Leibherr's have known about this situation and will have things in place, this is a multi-billion $ corporation and they know their stuff. 3)All of the players of note are on long term contract's and as stated are not for sale....unless of course stupid offers come in, £8m for Lambert? take it. £20m+ for Shaw? take it. 4)If KL wants to sell the club, if she has no interest, then so be it, but it would'nt make sense to lower the value by selling it's biggest assets,IE its best players in January, at the end of the season maybe, but not now. 5)The Leibherrs have invested multi £m in a new training facilities and players,which to my mind shows long term commitment to the club. 6)You can bet your bottom $ that if it were for sale, there would be a long line of interested parties and you can also bet your bottom $ that if MoPo goes as well, there will be an even long line of very interested parties willing to join our fantastic club. 7)This time last year EVERYONE was critical of NC over the sacking of NA, and who the hell was MoPo? 8)If MoPo things that NC would have shown any loyalty to him, then he should look at the History of previous managers under NC. 9)NC has not invested a single penny of his own money in the club, it all came from the Leibherrs. 10) Dont panic all will be fine. Peace to you all.[/p][/quote]Re: Point 5 All that shows is they have a long term commitment to developing youth players, not to the continued growth of the club. We could easily become the selling club of old again, churning out talented youngsters to supply the bigger and big-spending teams. This isn't what Cortese did it for. I don't want us to stall. I want our march upwards to continue.[/p][/quote]Actually point 5 confirms both, £70m on new players in 5 years AND continued investment in the best training & Academy facilities in the country ensuring a stream of potential England stars. COYR[/p][/quote]Yeah, except something changed yesterday. We lost a chairman who routinely tells the big clubs, 'No'. We don't know if they will now. They might be content to use the club as a factory, of players for other teams and money for themselves. I've dared to dream a little bigger than that these past few years.[/p][/quote]You say use the money for them selves? The Leibherrs are worth BILLIONS OF £££££££££! Do you really think a couple of Million £ really means that much to them? Of course they are Business people, but the club is worth more to them as a successfully ran entity than running it in to the ground and getting rid of any promising youngster. We just need to wait and see what happens. SaintAsh1964
  • Score: 0

11:55am Thu 16 Jan 14

andoru says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
andoru wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
andoru wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Several points need to be made;
1)NC resigned last Oct and has been working his contracted notice.
2)The Leibherr's have known about this situation and will have things in place, this is a multi-billion $ corporation and they know their stuff.
3)All of the players of note are on long term contract's and as stated are not for sale....unless of course stupid offers come in, £8m for Lambert? take it.
£20m+ for Shaw? take it.
4)If KL wants to sell the club, if she has no interest, then so be it, but it would'nt make sense to lower the value by selling it's biggest assets,IE its best players in January, at the end of the season maybe, but not now.
5)The Leibherrs have invested multi £m in a new training facilities and players,which to my mind shows long term commitment to the club.
6)You can bet your bottom $ that if it were for sale, there would be a long line of interested parties and you can also bet your bottom $ that if MoPo goes as well, there will be an even long line of very interested parties willing to join our fantastic club.
7)This time last year EVERYONE was critical of NC over the sacking of NA, and who the hell was MoPo?
8)If MoPo things that NC would have shown any loyalty to him, then he should look at the History of previous managers under NC.
9)NC has not invested a single penny of his own money in the club, it all came from the Leibherrs.
10) Dont panic all will be fine.
Peace to you all.
Re: Point 5

All that shows is they have a long term commitment to developing youth players, not to the continued growth of the club. We could easily become the selling club of old again, churning out talented youngsters to supply the bigger and big-spending teams. This isn't what Cortese did it for. I don't want us to stall. I want our march upwards to continue.
Actually point 5 confirms both, £70m on new players in 5 years AND continued investment in the best training & Academy facilities in the country ensuring a stream of potential England stars.
COYR
Yeah, except something changed yesterday. We lost a chairman who routinely tells the big clubs, 'No'. We don't know if they will now. They might be content to use the club as a factory, of players for other teams and money for themselves. I've dared to dream a little bigger than that these past few years.
You say use the money for them selves?
The Leibherrs are worth BILLIONS OF £££££££££!
Do you really think a couple of Million £ really means that much to them?
Of course they are Business people, but the club is worth more to them as a successfully ran entity than running it in to the ground and getting rid of any promising youngster.
We just need to wait and see what happens.
I've never heard of a billionaire turning down a few more quid, that's all I'll say.

For years the Saints were a feeder club, taking promising youngsters and then selling them on, or picking up fringe players from elsewhere and reviving their stalling careers ... and then selling them on. That's always been our role. For the past few years though we've been allowed to dream bigger, to dare to hope that we could be more than that. The dream is not in tatters yet, but it is threatened. Ultimately, as I keep saying, "we don't know". That's what worries me.
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: Several points need to be made; 1)NC resigned last Oct and has been working his contracted notice. 2)The Leibherr's have known about this situation and will have things in place, this is a multi-billion $ corporation and they know their stuff. 3)All of the players of note are on long term contract's and as stated are not for sale....unless of course stupid offers come in, £8m for Lambert? take it. £20m+ for Shaw? take it. 4)If KL wants to sell the club, if she has no interest, then so be it, but it would'nt make sense to lower the value by selling it's biggest assets,IE its best players in January, at the end of the season maybe, but not now. 5)The Leibherrs have invested multi £m in a new training facilities and players,which to my mind shows long term commitment to the club. 6)You can bet your bottom $ that if it were for sale, there would be a long line of interested parties and you can also bet your bottom $ that if MoPo goes as well, there will be an even long line of very interested parties willing to join our fantastic club. 7)This time last year EVERYONE was critical of NC over the sacking of NA, and who the hell was MoPo? 8)If MoPo things that NC would have shown any loyalty to him, then he should look at the History of previous managers under NC. 9)NC has not invested a single penny of his own money in the club, it all came from the Leibherrs. 10) Dont panic all will be fine. Peace to you all.[/p][/quote]Re: Point 5 All that shows is they have a long term commitment to developing youth players, not to the continued growth of the club. We could easily become the selling club of old again, churning out talented youngsters to supply the bigger and big-spending teams. This isn't what Cortese did it for. I don't want us to stall. I want our march upwards to continue.[/p][/quote]Actually point 5 confirms both, £70m on new players in 5 years AND continued investment in the best training & Academy facilities in the country ensuring a stream of potential England stars. COYR[/p][/quote]Yeah, except something changed yesterday. We lost a chairman who routinely tells the big clubs, 'No'. We don't know if they will now. They might be content to use the club as a factory, of players for other teams and money for themselves. I've dared to dream a little bigger than that these past few years.[/p][/quote]You say use the money for them selves? The Leibherrs are worth BILLIONS OF £££££££££! Do you really think a couple of Million £ really means that much to them? Of course they are Business people, but the club is worth more to them as a successfully ran entity than running it in to the ground and getting rid of any promising youngster. We just need to wait and see what happens.[/p][/quote]I've never heard of a billionaire turning down a few more quid, that's all I'll say. For years the Saints were a feeder club, taking promising youngsters and then selling them on, or picking up fringe players from elsewhere and reviving their stalling careers ... and then selling them on. That's always been our role. For the past few years though we've been allowed to dream bigger, to dare to hope that we could be more than that. The dream is not in tatters yet, but it is threatened. Ultimately, as I keep saying, "we don't know". That's what worries me. andoru
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2:15pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Bitterne Park Tim says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
andoru wrote:
Bitterne Park Tim wrote:
What a drama...... Senior execs leave companies all the time..... As do managers.

We might get sold........ So what?

As long as we have 11 players on the pitch to support I really do not care who runs the company that makes that happen.

Relax.....
I don't just want "11 players on the pitch". I want these players. I want Shaw. I want Lallana. I want Lovren, Clyne and Wanyama. I want Boruc. I want Schneiderlin. I want all of them (except Fox and Hooieveld). And I want the ambition to stay with us. I don't want us to become a little club again, a selling club that accepts mid-table as a dream finish to the season. I want to keep on pushing up the table. And that's what's worrying right now. Will we still have the players who can take us forward or will she sell them off if her main motive is money? We just don't know. If she's smart, she'll do what she can to hold on to them before selling as they'll increase the club's value. But it might be beyond her. If a 'big club' comes in with a massive offer today, will she turn it down or take the cash? And how many times will she take the cash? Until we only have academy players and benchwarmers left? There is too much uncertainty. That's what people are worrying about. It's not so easy to "relax".
Thanks for saving me the trouble of answering a poster who obviously just doesn't get the revolution that has been taking place these last few years.

12 training pitches to represent each type of grass that exists in the Prem so we can train on the appropriate one for the next away game. Each player's personal mattress being delivered to the hotels in advance and a deep clean of the rooms to avoid bugs and snivels. Tim obviously doesn't get that. Same as we 'might get sold, so what' - I was happy with a multi billionaire German industrialist and don't want one of those idiots that Hull and Cardiff have ended up with or god forbid the type of owner that the sh1t to the east specialise in.
Oh I get it..... I just do now care........ I would actually prefer to be a League 1 Club owned but itself......

Money money money........ That is all football is about. Anyone who thinks we will grow beyond what we are is deluded.

You would need someone to do a Man City or a Chelsea..... I would hate that.

I will happily remain in a minority though.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bitterne Park Tim[/bold] wrote: What a drama...... Senior execs leave companies all the time..... As do managers. We might get sold........ So what? As long as we have 11 players on the pitch to support I really do not care who runs the company that makes that happen. Relax.....[/p][/quote]I don't just want "11 players on the pitch". I want these players. I want Shaw. I want Lallana. I want Lovren, Clyne and Wanyama. I want Boruc. I want Schneiderlin. I want all of them (except Fox and Hooieveld). And I want the ambition to stay with us. I don't want us to become a little club again, a selling club that accepts mid-table as a dream finish to the season. I want to keep on pushing up the table. And that's what's worrying right now. Will we still have the players who can take us forward or will she sell them off if her main motive is money? We just don't know. If she's smart, she'll do what she can to hold on to them before selling as they'll increase the club's value. But it might be beyond her. If a 'big club' comes in with a massive offer today, will she turn it down or take the cash? And how many times will she take the cash? Until we only have academy players and benchwarmers left? There is too much uncertainty. That's what people are worrying about. It's not so easy to "relax".[/p][/quote]Thanks for saving me the trouble of answering a poster who obviously just doesn't get the revolution that has been taking place these last few years. 12 training pitches to represent each type of grass that exists in the Prem so we can train on the appropriate one for the next away game. Each player's personal mattress being delivered to the hotels in advance and a deep clean of the rooms to avoid bugs and snivels. Tim obviously doesn't get that. Same as we 'might get sold, so what' - I was happy with a multi billionaire German industrialist and don't want one of those idiots that Hull and Cardiff have ended up with or god forbid the type of owner that the sh1t to the east specialise in.[/p][/quote]Oh I get it..... I just do now care........ I would actually prefer to be a League 1 Club owned but itself...... Money money money........ That is all football is about. Anyone who thinks we will grow beyond what we are is deluded. You would need someone to do a Man City or a Chelsea..... I would hate that. I will happily remain in a minority though. Bitterne Park Tim
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