Saints owner Katharina Liebherr plans new approach to St Mary's power

Katharina Liebherr

Katharina Liebherr

First published in Sport Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Sports Writer

Katharina Liebherr intends to appoint a full board of directors to oversee the running of Saints.

The club’s owner and new non-executive chairman wants to see the club and the soon to be appointed chief executive – Totton-born ex-Blackburn chairman John Williams is believed to be a front-runner for that role – are fully accountable.

Since the death of her father, Markus, former executive chairman Nicola Cortese was more or less in charge of everything at Saints.

Though he had an executive committee, he sat at the top of it and was understood to take the big decisions himself.

As owner, Liebherr is understood to have become increasingly uncomfortable with Cortese’s autonomy. She was hoping for a greater involvement in her club and to have at least one person on a board of directors to liaise with Cortese.

However, it is understood that that proved a major sticking point for Cortese who resigned last week.

Documents filed at Companies House show that the club and their parent company have moved quickly to terminate Cortese’s position and formally serve notice of Liebherr’s appointment.

The documents reveal little extra information about Liebherr, other than her date of birth which confirms she is 36-years-old.

One of the first jobs being undertaken is a detailed look at the club’s books.

Though Liebherr has of course had access to the accounts field with Companies House, she is believed to have not regularly seen the detailed internal breakdowns.

It will enable her and the team she is soon to put in place to get a grasp on the exact finances of the club.

Liebherr addressed staff at St Mary’s yesterday morning to assure them over the future and again confirmed that she is not here to seek an immediate sale of the club.

She spent the weekend conducting a number of interviews with potential chief executives ahead of a soon to be announced appointment.

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6:19am Tue 21 Jan 14

Brusher Mills says...

What I want to know is to be certain of one thing, is the dream still alive?

I fear we will just stay as we are and be a safe mid table club, which May battle relegation if we stay still.

The Southampton Way, Top 3 club in the Champions League, best youth Acadamy in the world, not selling players unless they are useless, redeveloped stadium as per the DVD a couple of seasons ago. This felt possible with Cortese. I am not excited about John possible being appointed, what is he 64, long term goals not exactly his aim are they.
What I want to know is to be certain of one thing, is the dream still alive? I fear we will just stay as we are and be a safe mid table club, which May battle relegation if we stay still. The Southampton Way, Top 3 club in the Champions League, best youth Acadamy in the world, not selling players unless they are useless, redeveloped stadium as per the DVD a couple of seasons ago. This felt possible with Cortese. I am not excited about John possible being appointed, what is he 64, long term goals not exactly his aim are they. Brusher Mills
  • Score: -27

6:20am Tue 21 Jan 14

nervousbumskin420 says...

great news!
great news! nervousbumskin420
  • Score: 21

6:33am Tue 21 Jan 14

tbilisi saint carl says...

fair play to katharina for wanting a greater say in how her/our club is run,
whether she knows anything about football or not is immaterial ,
football is now big business and that is her game...big business :)
fair play to katharina for wanting a greater say in how her/our club is run, whether she knows anything about football or not is immaterial , football is now big business and that is her game...big business :) tbilisi saint carl
  • Score: 51

6:50am Tue 21 Jan 14

andoru says...

Brusher Mills wrote:
What I want to know is to be certain of one thing, is the dream still alive?

I fear we will just stay as we are and be a safe mid table club, which May battle relegation if we stay still.

The Southampton Way, Top 3 club in the Champions League, best youth Acadamy in the world, not selling players unless they are useless, redeveloped stadium as per the DVD a couple of seasons ago. This felt possible with Cortese. I am not excited about John possible being appointed, what is he 64, long term goals not exactly his aim are they.
I share your concerns.

So long as "the project" is still on, I don't care who runs the club or how they do it. I will be disappointed though if we now accept mid-table as our peak. That's not what most of the current squad signed up for, so to keep them we need to continue showing ambition. Let's hope we will. COYS!
[quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: What I want to know is to be certain of one thing, is the dream still alive? I fear we will just stay as we are and be a safe mid table club, which May battle relegation if we stay still. The Southampton Way, Top 3 club in the Champions League, best youth Acadamy in the world, not selling players unless they are useless, redeveloped stadium as per the DVD a couple of seasons ago. This felt possible with Cortese. I am not excited about John possible being appointed, what is he 64, long term goals not exactly his aim are they.[/p][/quote]I share your concerns. So long as "the project" is still on, I don't care who runs the club or how they do it. I will be disappointed though if we now accept mid-table as our peak. That's not what most of the current squad signed up for, so to keep them we need to continue showing ambition. Let's hope we will. COYS! andoru
  • Score: 32

7:13am Tue 21 Jan 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

Brusher Mills wrote:
What I want to know is to be certain of one thing, is the dream still alive?

I fear we will just stay as we are and be a safe mid table club, which May battle relegation if we stay still.

The Southampton Way, Top 3 club in the Champions League, best youth Acadamy in the world, not selling players unless they are useless, redeveloped stadium as per the DVD a couple of seasons ago. This felt possible with Cortese. I am not excited about John possible being appointed, what is he 64, long term goals not exactly his aim are they.
got to say ,in the clouds talk.
[quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: What I want to know is to be certain of one thing, is the dream still alive? I fear we will just stay as we are and be a safe mid table club, which May battle relegation if we stay still. The Southampton Way, Top 3 club in the Champions League, best youth Acadamy in the world, not selling players unless they are useless, redeveloped stadium as per the DVD a couple of seasons ago. This felt possible with Cortese. I am not excited about John possible being appointed, what is he 64, long term goals not exactly his aim are they.[/p][/quote]got to say ,in the clouds talk. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.
  • Score: -6

7:52am Tue 21 Jan 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

Said it before, the point all the media fail to mention is that the club is owned by the Markus's trust and the trustees have a legal duty to properly manage and protect the trust's money and property. Having a CEO taking major decisions singlehandedly is not good corporate governance and if it had been allowed to continue the trustees would have been in breach if their duty to the trust. This is why all major decisions will now be taken by a board of directors and why the trust will be represented on the board. There is nothing sinister about that. While he was alive Markus could allow NC as much power as he wanted to give him but the trustees cannot without being in breach of duty and therefore potentially liable personally to the trust to replace any wasted funds. NC clearly wanted to retain more control than the trustees could allow.

What worries me more than any of this is whether we still have the same ambitions. Note that KL is reported as saying she has not come to oversee an 'immediate' sale. Does that mean she still wants out?
Said it before, the point all the media fail to mention is that the club is owned by the Markus's trust and the trustees have a legal duty to properly manage and protect the trust's money and property. Having a CEO taking major decisions singlehandedly is not good corporate governance and if it had been allowed to continue the trustees would have been in breach if their duty to the trust. This is why all major decisions will now be taken by a board of directors and why the trust will be represented on the board. There is nothing sinister about that. While he was alive Markus could allow NC as much power as he wanted to give him but the trustees cannot without being in breach of duty and therefore potentially liable personally to the trust to replace any wasted funds. NC clearly wanted to retain more control than the trustees could allow. What worries me more than any of this is whether we still have the same ambitions. Note that KL is reported as saying she has not come to oversee an 'immediate' sale. Does that mean she still wants out? Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 34

7:52am Tue 21 Jan 14

Saint. says...

Brusher Mills wrote:
What I want to know is to be certain of one thing, is the dream still alive?

I fear we will just stay as we are and be a safe mid table club, which May battle relegation if we stay still.

The Southampton Way, Top 3 club in the Champions League, best youth Acadamy in the world, not selling players unless they are useless, redeveloped stadium as per the DVD a couple of seasons ago. This felt possible with Cortese. I am not excited about John possible being appointed, what is he 64, long term goals not exactly his aim are they.
My point exactly! Another chance for the DE to knock NC it's perfected! End of the day a board could start doing other things and dear I say it cause some old days of internal bickering! May be this is why DE that NC took total control as he saw and picked up the reins of this mess of bickering of previous board! Thought Katharine did not want to let NC go, or is that just words for the public, and if she didn't want him to go she could not be all that worried about the how he run the club as the family appointed him to do just that! I guess it simply NC wanted to develop the stadium and buy the next level of players and she said no doing through on the pitch success? So who to believe and to be fair DE you have no word from NC, but yet have so much to say about him!! Please DE please explain if at this self control period of NC did he not deliver, and did he not always had the club at heart? Did he not improve every quarter of the club? Look at our traveling team coach, our training ground development? Again DE cheap and nasty!

My worry is this Mr Williams! Apart from being a local lad look at the mess at Blackburn. Also is this set for a sell off later like a Blackburn? What a real mess there!
[quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: What I want to know is to be certain of one thing, is the dream still alive? I fear we will just stay as we are and be a safe mid table club, which May battle relegation if we stay still. The Southampton Way, Top 3 club in the Champions League, best youth Acadamy in the world, not selling players unless they are useless, redeveloped stadium as per the DVD a couple of seasons ago. This felt possible with Cortese. I am not excited about John possible being appointed, what is he 64, long term goals not exactly his aim are they.[/p][/quote]My point exactly! Another chance for the DE to knock NC it's perfected! End of the day a board could start doing other things and dear I say it cause some old days of internal bickering! May be this is why DE that NC took total control as he saw and picked up the reins of this mess of bickering of previous board! Thought Katharine did not want to let NC go, or is that just words for the public, and if she didn't want him to go she could not be all that worried about the how he run the club as the family appointed him to do just that! I guess it simply NC wanted to develop the stadium and buy the next level of players and she said no doing through on the pitch success? So who to believe and to be fair DE you have no word from NC, but yet have so much to say about him!! Please DE please explain if at this self control period of NC did he not deliver, and did he not always had the club at heart? Did he not improve every quarter of the club? Look at our traveling team coach, our training ground development? Again DE cheap and nasty! My worry is this Mr Williams! Apart from being a local lad look at the mess at Blackburn. Also is this set for a sell off later like a Blackburn? What a real mess there! Saint.
  • Score: -29

7:55am Tue 21 Jan 14

Malcombe says...

After all the rumours and speculation it's back to business. I and I'm sure many others have had enough of speculation and cannot believe Katharina will rock the boat.

There's no doubt that for 5 years Nicola Cortese helped restructure the Club for Marcus and everyone is grateful for that, it appeared he had a plan Marcus agreed but sadly died when the project was new, perhaps NC was taking liberties without any challenge and then someone took notice and didn't like they way NC was swanning around like it was his business it definitely never was he was an Employee, could it of been a case of of him: Don't do as I do, do as I tell you.

Katharina is not alone in this project, she couldn't be she has a team of advisor who will help her to oversee that there are no hiccups and very important probably the most is Mauricio Potchettino is kept informed of all matters concerning the Club.

MoPo is proving to be an astute man who should and probably has been given total authority for the Team, his Staff and all Players including the boys and the buying and selling of Players and other matters eg the type of Training facilities and what equipment is required. MoPo is right for Southampton FC and will give 100% to his job and his loyalty, Katharina may not know much about Football but she's not daft and knows MoPo is the man to Manage and she won't interfere with his side, all the Players love him and want to play for him because they know he is very special.

So everything will move on, the COE well that would be nice if it's John Williams, born in Totton Saints fan all his life with a very high reputation for his work it must be onwards and upwards with everyone looking forward to the completion of the project that surely will a success COYR
After all the rumours and speculation it's back to business. I and I'm sure many others have had enough of speculation and cannot believe Katharina will rock the boat. There's no doubt that for 5 years Nicola Cortese helped restructure the Club for Marcus and everyone is grateful for that, it appeared he had a plan Marcus agreed but sadly died when the project was new, perhaps NC was taking liberties without any challenge and then someone took notice and didn't like they way NC was swanning around like it was his business it definitely never was he was an Employee, could it of been a case of of him: Don't do as I do, do as I tell you. Katharina is not alone in this project, she couldn't be she has a team of advisor who will help her to oversee that there are no hiccups and very important probably the most is Mauricio Potchettino is kept informed of all matters concerning the Club. MoPo is proving to be an astute man who should and probably has been given total authority for the Team, his Staff and all Players including the boys and the buying and selling of Players and other matters eg the type of Training facilities and what equipment is required. MoPo is right for Southampton FC and will give 100% to his job and his loyalty, Katharina may not know much about Football but she's not daft and knows MoPo is the man to Manage and she won't interfere with his side, all the Players love him and want to play for him because they know he is very special. So everything will move on, the COE well that would be nice if it's John Williams, born in Totton Saints fan all his life with a very high reputation for his work it must be onwards and upwards with everyone looking forward to the completion of the project that surely will a success COYR Malcombe
  • Score: 18

8:01am Tue 21 Jan 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

I suspect NC left because the trust's ambition did not match his own and having made his plans for the future public and relied heavily on those ambitious plans to attract top players to the club he felt his position was untenable. I hope I am wrong. Anyway, I suppose he could be back with a buyer. Time will tell
I suspect NC left because the trust's ambition did not match his own and having made his plans for the future public and relied heavily on those ambitious plans to attract top players to the club he felt his position was untenable. I hope I am wrong. Anyway, I suppose he could be back with a buyer. Time will tell Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 0

8:02am Tue 21 Jan 14

franiow says...

Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.
Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now. franiow
  • Score: 20

8:24am Tue 21 Jan 14

mack chinnon says...

franiow wrote:
Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.
You always talk complete sense Fran.
[quote][p][bold]franiow[/bold] wrote: Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.[/p][/quote]You always talk complete sense Fran. mack chinnon
  • Score: 8

8:37am Tue 21 Jan 14

montecristosaint says...

Brusher Mills wrote:
What I want to know is to be certain of one thing, is the dream still alive?

I fear we will just stay as we are and be a safe mid table club, which May battle relegation if we stay still.

The Southampton Way, Top 3 club in the Champions League, best youth Acadamy in the world, not selling players unless they are useless, redeveloped stadium as per the DVD a couple of seasons ago. This felt possible with Cortese. I am not excited about John possible being appointed, what is he 64, long term goals not exactly his aim are they.
owned by a trust?are you sure? I thought Saints were owned by a holding company...
[quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: What I want to know is to be certain of one thing, is the dream still alive? I fear we will just stay as we are and be a safe mid table club, which May battle relegation if we stay still. The Southampton Way, Top 3 club in the Champions League, best youth Acadamy in the world, not selling players unless they are useless, redeveloped stadium as per the DVD a couple of seasons ago. This felt possible with Cortese. I am not excited about John possible being appointed, what is he 64, long term goals not exactly his aim are they.[/p][/quote]owned by a trust?are you sure? I thought Saints were owned by a holding company... montecristosaint
  • Score: 3

8:39am Tue 21 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

franiow wrote:
Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.
It's only £100m+ asset because Cortese made it so.

Everyone's forgotten we were told at the time of Markus's death that Cortese was 'effectively part of the family'. He was chair of the Trust. Now they're saying 'he was only an employee'.

We were also told that if ever the Liebherr's wanted out he had people to step in, so if they didn't want to back his vision they should have asked him to find someone to buy them out and carry it forward. It's easy to turn around now and say it couldn't be achieved anyway, well that's poor, the last four years amazing successes would point very much to the opposite being true. Either way I prefer to applaud triers who fail than those that don't try at all.
[quote][p][bold]franiow[/bold] wrote: Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.[/p][/quote]It's only £100m+ asset because Cortese made it so. Everyone's forgotten we were told at the time of Markus's death that Cortese was 'effectively part of the family'. He was chair of the Trust. Now they're saying 'he was only an employee'. We were also told that if ever the Liebherr's wanted out he had people to step in, so if they didn't want to back his vision they should have asked him to find someone to buy them out and carry it forward. It's easy to turn around now and say it couldn't be achieved anyway, well that's poor, the last four years amazing successes would point very much to the opposite being true. Either way I prefer to applaud triers who fail than those that don't try at all. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 13

8:46am Tue 21 Jan 14

Outside of the Box says...

mack chinnon wrote:
franiow wrote:
Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.
You always talk complete sense Fran.
The only surprises I suspect will the amount of money Mr Cortese spent on himself, his family for personal items and charged it to the Club, although many company do this its normally their company and therefore their money however we all know Mr Cortese didn't own the company.

I have a mate who works in the accounts department at SMS and he has confirmed Mr Cortese spending was outrageous.
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franiow[/bold] wrote: Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.[/p][/quote]You always talk complete sense Fran.[/p][/quote]The only surprises I suspect will the amount of money Mr Cortese spent on himself, his family for personal items and charged it to the Club, although many company do this its normally their company and therefore their money however we all know Mr Cortese didn't own the company. I have a mate who works in the accounts department at SMS and he has confirmed Mr Cortese spending was outrageous. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 4

8:48am Tue 21 Jan 14

montecristosaint says...

Brusher Mills wrote:
What I want to know is to be certain of one thing, is the dream still alive?

I fear we will just stay as we are and be a safe mid table club, which May battle relegation if we stay still.

The Southampton Way, Top 3 club in the Champions League, best youth Acadamy in the world, not selling players unless they are useless, redeveloped stadium as per the DVD a couple of seasons ago. This felt possible with Cortese. I am not excited about John possible being appointed, what is he 64, long term goals not exactly his aim are they.
You hit the nail on the head I think. No mistake about it, Cortese left for at least this reason: he wanted to do things his way, without interference, ad Katharina Leibherr had had enough.Whether he also left because Katharina Liebherr was not prepared to fund the club in the transfer market is what the fans will be concerned with. Saints have just suffered two big losses in Lovren and Ramirez, they need replacing. JWP is no Ramirez. And Hooveld, well, enough said. The pressure is on to create a new company structure, only ten days left in the window I hope Reed is working on transfers or we could be in some trouble. The squad is far too small, and short on quality, much of it ia Championship level still. Katharina may not like it but if we are to progress investment is needed and quite a bit of it. There might be one or two gems in the academy who can be added next season, but they wont be enough.
[quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: What I want to know is to be certain of one thing, is the dream still alive? I fear we will just stay as we are and be a safe mid table club, which May battle relegation if we stay still. The Southampton Way, Top 3 club in the Champions League, best youth Acadamy in the world, not selling players unless they are useless, redeveloped stadium as per the DVD a couple of seasons ago. This felt possible with Cortese. I am not excited about John possible being appointed, what is he 64, long term goals not exactly his aim are they.[/p][/quote]You hit the nail on the head I think. No mistake about it, Cortese left for at least this reason: he wanted to do things his way, without interference, ad Katharina Leibherr had had enough.Whether he also left because Katharina Liebherr was not prepared to fund the club in the transfer market is what the fans will be concerned with. Saints have just suffered two big losses in Lovren and Ramirez, they need replacing. JWP is no Ramirez. And Hooveld, well, enough said. The pressure is on to create a new company structure, only ten days left in the window I hope Reed is working on transfers or we could be in some trouble. The squad is far too small, and short on quality, much of it ia Championship level still. Katharina may not like it but if we are to progress investment is needed and quite a bit of it. There might be one or two gems in the academy who can be added next season, but they wont be enough. montecristosaint
  • Score: 5

8:51am Tue 21 Jan 14

montecristosaint says...

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
Said it before, the point all the media fail to mention is that the club is owned by the Markus's trust and the trustees have a legal duty to properly manage and protect the trust's money and property. Having a CEO taking major decisions singlehandedly is not good corporate governance and if it had been allowed to continue the trustees would have been in breach if their duty to the trust. This is why all major decisions will now be taken by a board of directors and why the trust will be represented on the board. There is nothing sinister about that. While he was alive Markus could allow NC as much power as he wanted to give him but the trustees cannot without being in breach of duty and therefore potentially liable personally to the trust to replace any wasted funds. NC clearly wanted to retain more control than the trustees could allow.

What worries me more than any of this is whether we still have the same ambitions. Note that KL is reported as saying she has not come to oversee an 'immediate' sale. Does that mean she still wants out?
no, she would not go to all this trouble of creating a company structure if she wanted out. She could have sold the club several times over with Cortese still on board. The Liebherrs are in this for the long term.
[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: Said it before, the point all the media fail to mention is that the club is owned by the Markus's trust and the trustees have a legal duty to properly manage and protect the trust's money and property. Having a CEO taking major decisions singlehandedly is not good corporate governance and if it had been allowed to continue the trustees would have been in breach if their duty to the trust. This is why all major decisions will now be taken by a board of directors and why the trust will be represented on the board. There is nothing sinister about that. While he was alive Markus could allow NC as much power as he wanted to give him but the trustees cannot without being in breach of duty and therefore potentially liable personally to the trust to replace any wasted funds. NC clearly wanted to retain more control than the trustees could allow. What worries me more than any of this is whether we still have the same ambitions. Note that KL is reported as saying she has not come to oversee an 'immediate' sale. Does that mean she still wants out?[/p][/quote]no, she would not go to all this trouble of creating a company structure if she wanted out. She could have sold the club several times over with Cortese still on board. The Liebherrs are in this for the long term. montecristosaint
  • Score: 17

8:54am Tue 21 Jan 14

milton road says...

I think there is reason to be optimistic about John Williamson's if he is chosen. He was at Blackburn when they won the championship and for a few years really hit it out toe for toe with the big boys. The demise of Jack Walker and then reduced finance causing relegation was what messed up Blackburn not John Williamson. He has an advantage in being a Saints fan and local he will know all about the Saints Dream and hopefully like the rest of us bought into it.

KL seems to be doing all she can to settle things down. People only surmise the rift was about selling the club. If it was then surely NC would of stayed for his percentage? In my opinion I think it was simply a personality clash and the fact KL wanted more say in the club, which possibly NC saw as an intrusion. I am sorry to see NC go but even if he comes back with a deal I am not sure the lady is for selling to anyone for the time being.
I think there is reason to be optimistic about John Williamson's if he is chosen. He was at Blackburn when they won the championship and for a few years really hit it out toe for toe with the big boys. The demise of Jack Walker and then reduced finance causing relegation was what messed up Blackburn not John Williamson. He has an advantage in being a Saints fan and local he will know all about the Saints Dream and hopefully like the rest of us bought into it. KL seems to be doing all she can to settle things down. People only surmise the rift was about selling the club. If it was then surely NC would of stayed for his percentage? In my opinion I think it was simply a personality clash and the fact KL wanted more say in the club, which possibly NC saw as an intrusion. I am sorry to see NC go but even if he comes back with a deal I am not sure the lady is for selling to anyone for the time being. milton road
  • Score: 10

8:54am Tue 21 Jan 14

Saintsayer II says...

Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him Saintsayer II
  • Score: -15

8:55am Tue 21 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
franiow wrote:
Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.
You always talk complete sense Fran.
The only surprises I suspect will the amount of money Mr Cortese spent on himself, his family for personal items and charged it to the Club, although many company do this its normally their company and therefore their money however we all know Mr Cortese didn't own the company.

I have a mate who works in the accounts department at SMS and he has confirmed Mr Cortese spending was outrageous.
It's normal in small businesses but less so in larger high profile ones. The auditors tend to find it unless it's well covered up and it makes it difficult for them to sign off the accounts. HMRC get very excited as the reason for doing it is tax evasion.
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franiow[/bold] wrote: Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.[/p][/quote]You always talk complete sense Fran.[/p][/quote]The only surprises I suspect will the amount of money Mr Cortese spent on himself, his family for personal items and charged it to the Club, although many company do this its normally their company and therefore their money however we all know Mr Cortese didn't own the company. I have a mate who works in the accounts department at SMS and he has confirmed Mr Cortese spending was outrageous.[/p][/quote]It's normal in small businesses but less so in larger high profile ones. The auditors tend to find it unless it's well covered up and it makes it difficult for them to sign off the accounts. HMRC get very excited as the reason for doing it is tax evasion. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 6

8:59am Tue 21 Jan 14

jaygleis says...

What I particularly like here is everyone who slates the DE for reporting speculation and being against the club etc.... but come on here and give their own speculation in response, just because the DE speculation does not match their own.

If what is reported above is accurate, maybe people don't like the possibility of Cortese's halo slipping? Yes, he came in, with Markus, and they turned the club around. But lets not forget, he was the head of a board of executives himself and so Cortese did not turn the club around singlehandedly and lets not forget either, it was with the Liebherr's money, a good manager and the players on the pitch, all things that are still in place for another CEO to come in and continue with!

As much as I was sad to see Cortese go, he was not the sole reason for the club getting to where we are and was probably not the biggest factor in it either. So why not get behind whoever is brought in and trust that they will make the correct decisions for the club. Judge them in a years time, not before they have taken their seat.
What I particularly like here is everyone who slates the DE for reporting speculation and being against the club etc.... but come on here and give their own speculation in response, just because the DE speculation does not match their own. If what is reported above is accurate, maybe people don't like the possibility of Cortese's halo slipping? Yes, he came in, with Markus, and they turned the club around. But lets not forget, he was the head of a board of executives himself and so Cortese did not turn the club around singlehandedly and lets not forget either, it was with the Liebherr's money, a good manager and the players on the pitch, all things that are still in place for another CEO to come in and continue with! As much as I was sad to see Cortese go, he was not the sole reason for the club getting to where we are and was probably not the biggest factor in it either. So why not get behind whoever is brought in and trust that they will make the correct decisions for the club. Judge them in a years time, not before they have taken their seat. jaygleis
  • Score: 30

9:05am Tue 21 Jan 14

Saint in Melbourne says...

Saint. wrote:
Brusher Mills wrote:
What I want to know is to be certain of one thing, is the dream still alive?

I fear we will just stay as we are and be a safe mid table club, which May battle relegation if we stay still.

The Southampton Way, Top 3 club in the Champions League, best youth Acadamy in the world, not selling players unless they are useless, redeveloped stadium as per the DVD a couple of seasons ago. This felt possible with Cortese. I am not excited about John possible being appointed, what is he 64, long term goals not exactly his aim are they.
My point exactly! Another chance for the DE to knock NC it's perfected! End of the day a board could start doing other things and dear I say it cause some old days of internal bickering! May be this is why DE that NC took total control as he saw and picked up the reins of this mess of bickering of previous board! Thought Katharine did not want to let NC go, or is that just words for the public, and if she didn't want him to go she could not be all that worried about the how he run the club as the family appointed him to do just that! I guess it simply NC wanted to develop the stadium and buy the next level of players and she said no doing through on the pitch success? So who to believe and to be fair DE you have no word from NC, but yet have so much to say about him!! Please DE please explain if at this self control period of NC did he not deliver, and did he not always had the club at heart? Did he not improve every quarter of the club? Look at our traveling team coach, our training ground development? Again DE cheap and nasty!

My worry is this Mr Williams! Apart from being a local lad look at the mess at Blackburn. Also is this set for a sell off later like a Blackburn? What a real mess there!
The mess at Blackburn that you allude to started when Williams left; until then they were an extremely well run club regularly punching above their weight (after the money went with the death of Walker), so I'd do your research a little better before slagging off one of the best and well-respected CEO's within the Premier League in recent times.
[quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: What I want to know is to be certain of one thing, is the dream still alive? I fear we will just stay as we are and be a safe mid table club, which May battle relegation if we stay still. The Southampton Way, Top 3 club in the Champions League, best youth Acadamy in the world, not selling players unless they are useless, redeveloped stadium as per the DVD a couple of seasons ago. This felt possible with Cortese. I am not excited about John possible being appointed, what is he 64, long term goals not exactly his aim are they.[/p][/quote]My point exactly! Another chance for the DE to knock NC it's perfected! End of the day a board could start doing other things and dear I say it cause some old days of internal bickering! May be this is why DE that NC took total control as he saw and picked up the reins of this mess of bickering of previous board! Thought Katharine did not want to let NC go, or is that just words for the public, and if she didn't want him to go she could not be all that worried about the how he run the club as the family appointed him to do just that! I guess it simply NC wanted to develop the stadium and buy the next level of players and she said no doing through on the pitch success? So who to believe and to be fair DE you have no word from NC, but yet have so much to say about him!! Please DE please explain if at this self control period of NC did he not deliver, and did he not always had the club at heart? Did he not improve every quarter of the club? Look at our traveling team coach, our training ground development? Again DE cheap and nasty! My worry is this Mr Williams! Apart from being a local lad look at the mess at Blackburn. Also is this set for a sell off later like a Blackburn? What a real mess there![/p][/quote]The mess at Blackburn that you allude to started when Williams left; until then they were an extremely well run club regularly punching above their weight (after the money went with the death of Walker), so I'd do your research a little better before slagging off one of the best and well-respected CEO's within the Premier League in recent times. Saint in Melbourne
  • Score: 30

9:13am Tue 21 Jan 14

Smith187 says...

I'm not sure why people are questioning mrs liebherrs knowledge on football so much, it's not exactly Nicola cortese an ex Swiss banker, is 'mr football' and the great visionary on the 'southampton way'. Blown all way out of proportion the club will move on and carry on with this solid structure that Markus gave us since 2009.
I'm not sure why people are questioning mrs liebherrs knowledge on football so much, it's not exactly Nicola cortese an ex Swiss banker, is 'mr football' and the great visionary on the 'southampton way'. Blown all way out of proportion the club will move on and carry on with this solid structure that Markus gave us since 2009. Smith187
  • Score: 16

9:19am Tue 21 Jan 14

mack chinnon says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
franiow wrote:
Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.
It's only £100m+ asset because Cortese made it so.

Everyone's forgotten we were told at the time of Markus's death that Cortese was 'effectively part of the family'. He was chair of the Trust. Now they're saying 'he was only an employee'.

We were also told that if ever the Liebherr's wanted out he had people to step in, so if they didn't want to back his vision they should have asked him to find someone to buy them out and carry it forward. It's easy to turn around now and say it couldn't be achieved anyway, well that's poor, the last four years amazing successes would point very much to the opposite being true. Either way I prefer to applaud triers who fail than those that don't try at all.
The waters are very muddy Mr House.
None of us know what went on or what is going on.
All of us on here(well most of us)want what we have had for the last 5 years to
contine.
We will just have to sit tight and support the Saints.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franiow[/bold] wrote: Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.[/p][/quote]It's only £100m+ asset because Cortese made it so. Everyone's forgotten we were told at the time of Markus's death that Cortese was 'effectively part of the family'. He was chair of the Trust. Now they're saying 'he was only an employee'. We were also told that if ever the Liebherr's wanted out he had people to step in, so if they didn't want to back his vision they should have asked him to find someone to buy them out and carry it forward. It's easy to turn around now and say it couldn't be achieved anyway, well that's poor, the last four years amazing successes would point very much to the opposite being true. Either way I prefer to applaud triers who fail than those that don't try at all.[/p][/quote]The waters are very muddy Mr House. None of us know what went on or what is going on. All of us on here(well most of us)want what we have had for the last 5 years to contine. We will just have to sit tight and support the Saints. mack chinnon
  • Score: 11

9:22am Tue 21 Jan 14

St Retford says...

I suppose what we're all afraid of is being run by committee and ending up as just another Premier League club - the sort that always chooses from the same safe-but-unspectacul
ar pool of managers (Bruce, Hughes etc etc), that sells all their best players and ends up sitting just above relegation year after year.

Under Cortese, for all his shortcomings in man management, it felt like we were never going to go down that well-trodden path. He thought big, and fans respected that.

But there's no reason to assume that this is how things are going to be. If Katharina really wasn't that arsed about us she'd have sold us by now - she doesn't need the headache of a football team in her life that she doesn't care about - so I don't think she's here to p1ss about and tread water. Let's all give her a chance. And remember - there are other clubs in the world that aren't run by Nicola Cortese that are more successful than ours. Who knows? Maybe Katharina will be driven to prove she can do better without him at the helm.
I suppose what we're all afraid of is being run by committee and ending up as just another Premier League club - the sort that always chooses from the same safe-but-unspectacul ar pool of managers (Bruce, Hughes etc etc), that sells all their best players and ends up sitting just above relegation year after year. Under Cortese, for all his shortcomings in man management, it felt like we were never going to go down that well-trodden path. He thought big, and fans respected that. But there's no reason to assume that this is how things are going to be. If Katharina really wasn't that arsed about us she'd have sold us by now - she doesn't need the headache of a football team in her life that she doesn't care about - so I don't think she's here to p1ss about and tread water. Let's all give her a chance. And remember - there are other clubs in the world that aren't run by Nicola Cortese that are more successful than ours. Who knows? Maybe Katharina will be driven to prove she can do better without him at the helm. St Retford
  • Score: 18

9:26am Tue 21 Jan 14

JohnItaly says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee! JohnItaly
  • Score: -7

9:27am Tue 21 Jan 14

Costa Baz says...

Stick or twist?

Hopefully, once the dust settles, the new CEO will come out with a statement of intent.

For me, if the finance is there, the only option is to push on.
Standing still and trying to consolidate our position as a mid-table team, could be disastrous.

Did Lovren, Wanyama and Osvaldo sign for Saints, to be in a mid-table team?
Did Shaw, Lallana, Rodriguez, Scheiderlin, Clyne, Chambers and Ward Prowse, sign long contracts, to be part of a mid-table team?

Those taking pot shots at Cortese, may soon find out, just how important the guy was, to the future of this club.

Stopping the investment and changing the club's aims, would IMO, lead to the exodus of players the papers have predicted.
And then instead of being a progressive club, looking up, we will return to the days of looking down.
Stick or twist? Hopefully, once the dust settles, the new CEO will come out with a statement of intent. For me, if the finance is there, the only option is to push on. Standing still and trying to consolidate our position as a mid-table team, could be disastrous. Did Lovren, Wanyama and Osvaldo sign for Saints, to be in a mid-table team? Did Shaw, Lallana, Rodriguez, Scheiderlin, Clyne, Chambers and Ward Prowse, sign long contracts, to be part of a mid-table team? Those taking pot shots at Cortese, may soon find out, just how important the guy was, to the future of this club. Stopping the investment and changing the club's aims, would IMO, lead to the exodus of players the papers have predicted. And then instead of being a progressive club, looking up, we will return to the days of looking down. Costa Baz
  • Score: 10

9:31am Tue 21 Jan 14

Alicesdad says...

I like these threads as it shows how a newspaper and a group of fans can generate anything they want to in terms of dreams, fact, fiction and pure guesswork. It is a highly amusing thing to see how the growth of communications technology has enabled rumouis to be treated as fact purely by publication. It has always been a feature of communication but in these Internet times it is a massive phenemenon.


Anyway .... my view on the present position, for what its worth...

Until the formal announcement of a new Chief is made nobody will know what's going on.

The review of the books is standard practice and is in no way a comment on previous activity. That is typical press spin.

The rest is all padding and insubstantial re-puffing of previous guesswork.

Did she argue about Cortese's autonomy? Who knows?

Are we for sale? Who knows?

Is Cortese coming back with a different buyer? Who knows?

Is some Chinese rich boy interested in us? Who knows?

Is Katharina keeping the club with a long term strategy? Who knows?

Does she want a board of directors? Who knows?

Is John Williams a front runner for the new Chief role.? Who knows?


So what DO we know?

We know we aren't selling players. She said so.

We know we arent selling the club at the moment. She said so.

.. and THATS IT !

So .. I reitereate my previous comment..


I don't know what's going on

Whats happening?
I like these threads as it shows how a newspaper and a group of fans can generate anything they want to in terms of dreams, fact, fiction and pure guesswork. It is a highly amusing thing to see how the growth of communications technology has enabled rumouis to be treated as fact purely by publication. It has always been a feature of communication but in these Internet times it is a massive phenemenon. Anyway .... my view on the present position, for what its worth... Until the formal announcement of a new Chief is made nobody will know what's going on. The review of the books is standard practice and is in no way a comment on previous activity. That is typical press spin. The rest is all padding and insubstantial re-puffing of previous guesswork. Did she argue about Cortese's autonomy? Who knows? Are we for sale? Who knows? Is Cortese coming back with a different buyer? Who knows? Is some Chinese rich boy interested in us? Who knows? Is Katharina keeping the club with a long term strategy? Who knows? Does she want a board of directors? Who knows? Is John Williams a front runner for the new Chief role.? Who knows? So what DO we know? We know we aren't selling players. She said so. We know we arent selling the club at the moment. She said so. .. and THATS IT ! So .. I reitereate my previous comment.. I don't know what's going on Whats happening? Alicesdad
  • Score: 12

9:32am Tue 21 Jan 14

mack chinnon says...

milton road wrote:
I think there is reason to be optimistic about John Williamson's if he is chosen. He was at Blackburn when they won the championship and for a few years really hit it out toe for toe with the big boys. The demise of Jack Walker and then reduced finance causing relegation was what messed up Blackburn not John Williamson. He has an advantage in being a Saints fan and local he will know all about the Saints Dream and hopefully like the rest of us bought into it.

KL seems to be doing all she can to settle things down. People only surmise the rift was about selling the club. If it was then surely NC would of stayed for his percentage? In my opinion I think it was simply a personality clash and the fact KL wanted more say in the club, which possibly NC saw as an intrusion. I am sorry to see NC go but even if he comes back with a deal I am not sure the lady is for selling to anyone for the time being.
Before we get to excited about John Williamson lets not forget he appointed Mark Hughes AND Fat Sam.
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: I think there is reason to be optimistic about John Williamson's if he is chosen. He was at Blackburn when they won the championship and for a few years really hit it out toe for toe with the big boys. The demise of Jack Walker and then reduced finance causing relegation was what messed up Blackburn not John Williamson. He has an advantage in being a Saints fan and local he will know all about the Saints Dream and hopefully like the rest of us bought into it. KL seems to be doing all she can to settle things down. People only surmise the rift was about selling the club. If it was then surely NC would of stayed for his percentage? In my opinion I think it was simply a personality clash and the fact KL wanted more say in the club, which possibly NC saw as an intrusion. I am sorry to see NC go but even if he comes back with a deal I am not sure the lady is for selling to anyone for the time being.[/p][/quote]Before we get to excited about John Williamson lets not forget he appointed Mark Hughes AND Fat Sam. mack chinnon
  • Score: -7

9:35am Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
franiow wrote:
Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.
You always talk complete sense Fran.
The only surprises I suspect will the amount of money Mr Cortese spent on himself, his family for personal items and charged it to the Club, although many company do this its normally their company and therefore their money however we all know Mr Cortese didn't own the company.

I have a mate who works in the accounts department at SMS and he has confirmed Mr Cortese spending was outrageous.
Your mate needs to dish the dirt to the Daily Mirror, he would make a mint.
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franiow[/bold] wrote: Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.[/p][/quote]You always talk complete sense Fran.[/p][/quote]The only surprises I suspect will the amount of money Mr Cortese spent on himself, his family for personal items and charged it to the Club, although many company do this its normally their company and therefore their money however we all know Mr Cortese didn't own the company. I have a mate who works in the accounts department at SMS and he has confirmed Mr Cortese spending was outrageous.[/p][/quote]Your mate needs to dish the dirt to the Daily Mirror, he would make a mint. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

9:37am Tue 21 Jan 14

mack chinnon says...

mack chinnon wrote:
milton road wrote:
I think there is reason to be optimistic about John Williamson's if he is chosen. He was at Blackburn when they won the championship and for a few years really hit it out toe for toe with the big boys. The demise of Jack Walker and then reduced finance causing relegation was what messed up Blackburn not John Williamson. He has an advantage in being a Saints fan and local he will know all about the Saints Dream and hopefully like the rest of us bought into it.

KL seems to be doing all she can to settle things down. People only surmise the rift was about selling the club. If it was then surely NC would of stayed for his percentage? In my opinion I think it was simply a personality clash and the fact KL wanted more say in the club, which possibly NC saw as an intrusion. I am sorry to see NC go but even if he comes back with a deal I am not sure the lady is for selling to anyone for the time being.
Before we get to excited about John Williamson lets not forget he appointed Mark Hughes AND Fat Sam.
And how could I forget StevefuckingKeane.
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: I think there is reason to be optimistic about John Williamson's if he is chosen. He was at Blackburn when they won the championship and for a few years really hit it out toe for toe with the big boys. The demise of Jack Walker and then reduced finance causing relegation was what messed up Blackburn not John Williamson. He has an advantage in being a Saints fan and local he will know all about the Saints Dream and hopefully like the rest of us bought into it. KL seems to be doing all she can to settle things down. People only surmise the rift was about selling the club. If it was then surely NC would of stayed for his percentage? In my opinion I think it was simply a personality clash and the fact KL wanted more say in the club, which possibly NC saw as an intrusion. I am sorry to see NC go but even if he comes back with a deal I am not sure the lady is for selling to anyone for the time being.[/p][/quote]Before we get to excited about John Williamson lets not forget he appointed Mark Hughes AND Fat Sam.[/p][/quote]And how could I forget StevefuckingKeane. mack chinnon
  • Score: -4

9:38am Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

mack chinnon wrote:
milton road wrote:
I think there is reason to be optimistic about John Williamson's if he is chosen. He was at Blackburn when they won the championship and for a few years really hit it out toe for toe with the big boys. The demise of Jack Walker and then reduced finance causing relegation was what messed up Blackburn not John Williamson. He has an advantage in being a Saints fan and local he will know all about the Saints Dream and hopefully like the rest of us bought into it.

KL seems to be doing all she can to settle things down. People only surmise the rift was about selling the club. If it was then surely NC would of stayed for his percentage? In my opinion I think it was simply a personality clash and the fact KL wanted more say in the club, which possibly NC saw as an intrusion. I am sorry to see NC go but even if he comes back with a deal I am not sure the lady is for selling to anyone for the time being.
Before we get to excited about John Williamson lets not forget he appointed Mark Hughes AND Fat Sam.
John Williamson?
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: I think there is reason to be optimistic about John Williamson's if he is chosen. He was at Blackburn when they won the championship and for a few years really hit it out toe for toe with the big boys. The demise of Jack Walker and then reduced finance causing relegation was what messed up Blackburn not John Williamson. He has an advantage in being a Saints fan and local he will know all about the Saints Dream and hopefully like the rest of us bought into it. KL seems to be doing all she can to settle things down. People only surmise the rift was about selling the club. If it was then surely NC would of stayed for his percentage? In my opinion I think it was simply a personality clash and the fact KL wanted more say in the club, which possibly NC saw as an intrusion. I am sorry to see NC go but even if he comes back with a deal I am not sure the lady is for selling to anyone for the time being.[/p][/quote]Before we get to excited about John Williamson lets not forget he appointed Mark Hughes AND Fat Sam.[/p][/quote]John Williamson? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

9:41am Tue 21 Jan 14

St Retford says...

There is so much supposition on this thread that I think it's important we deal in some facts: I can tell you all, with 100% certainty, that Saints will be in a top European competition next year.

(Even if I have to write the fcuking song myself...)
There is so much supposition on this thread that I think it's important we deal in some facts: I can tell you all, with 100% certainty, that Saints will be in a top European competition next year. (Even if I have to write the fcuking song myself...) St Retford
  • Score: 16

9:43am Tue 21 Jan 14

george chivers says...

Alicesdad wrote:
I like these threads as it shows how a newspaper and a group of fans can generate anything they want to in terms of dreams, fact, fiction and pure guesswork. It is a highly amusing thing to see how the growth of communications technology has enabled rumouis to be treated as fact purely by publication. It has always been a feature of communication but in these Internet times it is a massive phenemenon.


Anyway .... my view on the present position, for what its worth...

Until the formal announcement of a new Chief is made nobody will know what's going on.

The review of the books is standard practice and is in no way a comment on previous activity. That is typical press spin.

The rest is all padding and insubstantial re-puffing of previous guesswork.

Did she argue about Cortese's autonomy? Who knows?

Are we for sale? Who knows?

Is Cortese coming back with a different buyer? Who knows?

Is some Chinese rich boy interested in us? Who knows?

Is Katharina keeping the club with a long term strategy? Who knows?

Does she want a board of directors? Who knows?

Is John Williams a front runner for the new Chief role.? Who knows?


So what DO we know?

We know we aren't selling players. She said so.

We know we arent selling the club at the moment. She said so.

.. and THATS IT !

So .. I reitereate my previous comment..


I don't know what's going on

Whats happening?
Who Knows? KL knows-it's her business.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I like these threads as it shows how a newspaper and a group of fans can generate anything they want to in terms of dreams, fact, fiction and pure guesswork. It is a highly amusing thing to see how the growth of communications technology has enabled rumouis to be treated as fact purely by publication. It has always been a feature of communication but in these Internet times it is a massive phenemenon. Anyway .... my view on the present position, for what its worth... Until the formal announcement of a new Chief is made nobody will know what's going on. The review of the books is standard practice and is in no way a comment on previous activity. That is typical press spin. The rest is all padding and insubstantial re-puffing of previous guesswork. Did she argue about Cortese's autonomy? Who knows? Are we for sale? Who knows? Is Cortese coming back with a different buyer? Who knows? Is some Chinese rich boy interested in us? Who knows? Is Katharina keeping the club with a long term strategy? Who knows? Does she want a board of directors? Who knows? Is John Williams a front runner for the new Chief role.? Who knows? So what DO we know? We know we aren't selling players. She said so. We know we arent selling the club at the moment. She said so. .. and THATS IT ! So .. I reitereate my previous comment.. I don't know what's going on Whats happening?[/p][/quote]Who Knows? KL knows-it's her business. george chivers
  • Score: 6

9:44am Tue 21 Jan 14

mack chinnon says...

St Retford wrote:
There is so much supposition on this thread that I think it's important we deal in some facts: I can tell you all, with 100% certainty, that Saints will be in a top European competition next year.

(Even if I have to write the fcuking song myself...)
Nooooooooooo.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: There is so much supposition on this thread that I think it's important we deal in some facts: I can tell you all, with 100% certainty, that Saints will be in a top European competition next year. (Even if I have to write the fcuking song myself...)[/p][/quote]Nooooooooooo. mack chinnon
  • Score: 5

9:46am Tue 21 Jan 14

Alicesdad says...

Oh yes !! We also know that Katharina is 36.
Stop the press for that piece of info ... Well done Echo, probably the only new fact that has emerged from these articles.

Threads for later today ....

- Katharina remains silent on Cortese departure
- Katharina DOES like football
- Katharina DOESN'T like football
- Katharina, the true story
- Katharina spotted at airport
- Katharina, new pictures revealed exclusive !
- Katharina has returned home

I'm in feisty mood today

By the way

I don't know whats going on !
What's happening?
Oh yes !! We also know that Katharina is 36. Stop the press for that piece of info ... Well done Echo, probably the only new fact that has emerged from these articles. Threads for later today .... - Katharina remains silent on Cortese departure - Katharina DOES like football - Katharina DOESN'T like football - Katharina, the true story - Katharina spotted at airport - Katharina, new pictures revealed exclusive ! - Katharina has returned home I'm in feisty mood today By the way I don't know whats going on ! What's happening? Alicesdad
  • Score: 2

9:48am Tue 21 Jan 14

Alicesdad says...

george chivers wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
I like these threads as it shows how a newspaper and a group of fans can generate anything they want to in terms of dreams, fact, fiction and pure guesswork. It is a highly amusing thing to see how the growth of communications technology has enabled rumouis to be treated as fact purely by publication. It has always been a feature of communication but in these Internet times it is a massive phenemenon.


Anyway .... my view on the present position, for what its worth...

Until the formal announcement of a new Chief is made nobody will know what's going on.

The review of the books is standard practice and is in no way a comment on previous activity. That is typical press spin.

The rest is all padding and insubstantial re-puffing of previous guesswork.

Did she argue about Cortese's autonomy? Who knows?

Are we for sale? Who knows?

Is Cortese coming back with a different buyer? Who knows?

Is some Chinese rich boy interested in us? Who knows?

Is Katharina keeping the club with a long term strategy? Who knows?

Does she want a board of directors? Who knows?

Is John Williams a front runner for the new Chief role.? Who knows?


So what DO we know?

We know we aren't selling players. She said so.

We know we arent selling the club at the moment. She said so.

.. and THATS IT !

So .. I reitereate my previous comment..


I don't know what's going on

Whats happening?
Who Knows? KL knows-it's her business.
Good point !
Expect a new thread soon
- Katharina has a master plan
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I like these threads as it shows how a newspaper and a group of fans can generate anything they want to in terms of dreams, fact, fiction and pure guesswork. It is a highly amusing thing to see how the growth of communications technology has enabled rumouis to be treated as fact purely by publication. It has always been a feature of communication but in these Internet times it is a massive phenemenon. Anyway .... my view on the present position, for what its worth... Until the formal announcement of a new Chief is made nobody will know what's going on. The review of the books is standard practice and is in no way a comment on previous activity. That is typical press spin. The rest is all padding and insubstantial re-puffing of previous guesswork. Did she argue about Cortese's autonomy? Who knows? Are we for sale? Who knows? Is Cortese coming back with a different buyer? Who knows? Is some Chinese rich boy interested in us? Who knows? Is Katharina keeping the club with a long term strategy? Who knows? Does she want a board of directors? Who knows? Is John Williams a front runner for the new Chief role.? Who knows? So what DO we know? We know we aren't selling players. She said so. We know we arent selling the club at the moment. She said so. .. and THATS IT ! So .. I reitereate my previous comment.. I don't know what's going on Whats happening?[/p][/quote]Who Knows? KL knows-it's her business.[/p][/quote]Good point ! Expect a new thread soon - Katharina has a master plan Alicesdad
  • Score: 1

9:48am Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Alicesdad wrote:
I like these threads as it shows how a newspaper and a group of fans can generate anything they want to in terms of dreams, fact, fiction and pure guesswork. It is a highly amusing thing to see how the growth of communications technology has enabled rumouis to be treated as fact purely by publication. It has always been a feature of communication but in these Internet times it is a massive phenemenon.


Anyway .... my view on the present position, for what its worth...

Until the formal announcement of a new Chief is made nobody will know what's going on.

The review of the books is standard practice and is in no way a comment on previous activity. That is typical press spin.

The rest is all padding and insubstantial re-puffing of previous guesswork.

Did she argue about Cortese's autonomy? Who knows?

Are we for sale? Who knows?

Is Cortese coming back with a different buyer? Who knows?

Is some Chinese rich boy interested in us? Who knows?

Is Katharina keeping the club with a long term strategy? Who knows?

Does she want a board of directors? Who knows?

Is John Williams a front runner for the new Chief role.? Who knows?


So what DO we know?

We know we aren't selling players. She said so.

We know we arent selling the club at the moment. She said so.

.. and THATS IT !

So .. I reitereate my previous comment..


I don't know what's going on

Whats happening?
I/we don't know, but I/we predict civil insurrection, coming soon to a location near you.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I like these threads as it shows how a newspaper and a group of fans can generate anything they want to in terms of dreams, fact, fiction and pure guesswork. It is a highly amusing thing to see how the growth of communications technology has enabled rumouis to be treated as fact purely by publication. It has always been a feature of communication but in these Internet times it is a massive phenemenon. Anyway .... my view on the present position, for what its worth... Until the formal announcement of a new Chief is made nobody will know what's going on. The review of the books is standard practice and is in no way a comment on previous activity. That is typical press spin. The rest is all padding and insubstantial re-puffing of previous guesswork. Did she argue about Cortese's autonomy? Who knows? Are we for sale? Who knows? Is Cortese coming back with a different buyer? Who knows? Is some Chinese rich boy interested in us? Who knows? Is Katharina keeping the club with a long term strategy? Who knows? Does she want a board of directors? Who knows? Is John Williams a front runner for the new Chief role.? Who knows? So what DO we know? We know we aren't selling players. She said so. We know we arent selling the club at the moment. She said so. .. and THATS IT ! So .. I reitereate my previous comment.. I don't know what's going on Whats happening?[/p][/quote]I/we don't know, but I/we predict civil insurrection, coming soon to a location near you. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

9:53am Tue 21 Jan 14

JohnSFC says...

I like to think that as a lifelong Saints Fan Mr Williams will have noticed our progress from -10 Points in League 1 to Challenging for Europe and would like to keep that going.
I like to think that as a lifelong Saints Fan Mr Williams will have noticed our progress from -10 Points in League 1 to Challenging for Europe and would like to keep that going. JohnSFC
  • Score: 7

9:55am Tue 21 Jan 14

St Retford says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Oh yes !! We also know that Katharina is 36.
Stop the press for that piece of info ... Well done Echo, probably the only new fact that has emerged from these articles.

Threads for later today ....

- Katharina remains silent on Cortese departure
- Katharina DOES like football
- Katharina DOESN'T like football
- Katharina, the true story
- Katharina spotted at airport
- Katharina, new pictures revealed exclusive !
- Katharina has returned home

I'm in feisty mood today

By the way

I don't know whats going on !
What's happening?
I thought that about her age, too. It means that when she took over the club she was, what, 32? She was still a kid in business terms. She probably just said to Nicola "Do what you like - I can't deal with this right now".

I think maybe she's just grown older, looked through the books of her little empire and now feels up to the challenge of getting slightly more involved which, I guess, is the last thing Nicola wanted.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Oh yes !! We also know that Katharina is 36. Stop the press for that piece of info ... Well done Echo, probably the only new fact that has emerged from these articles. Threads for later today .... - Katharina remains silent on Cortese departure - Katharina DOES like football - Katharina DOESN'T like football - Katharina, the true story - Katharina spotted at airport - Katharina, new pictures revealed exclusive ! - Katharina has returned home I'm in feisty mood today By the way I don't know whats going on ! What's happening?[/p][/quote]I thought that about her age, too. It means that when she took over the club she was, what, 32? She was still a kid in business terms. She probably just said to Nicola "Do what you like - I can't deal with this right now". I think maybe she's just grown older, looked through the books of her little empire and now feels up to the challenge of getting slightly more involved which, I guess, is the last thing Nicola wanted. St Retford
  • Score: 10

9:55am Tue 21 Jan 14

Alicesdad says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
franiow wrote:
Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.
You always talk complete sense Fran.
The only surprises I suspect will the amount of money Mr Cortese spent on himself, his family for personal items and charged it to the Club, although many company do this its normally their company and therefore their money however we all know Mr Cortese didn't own the company.

I have a mate who works in the accounts department at SMS and he has confirmed Mr Cortese spending was outrageous.
Your mate needs to dish the dirt to the Daily Mirror, he would make a mint.
You have just published a comment about Mr Cortese's spending implying it was outrageous and possibly inappropriate . His legal advisors are already hunting down "your mate" as there aren't many in that dept so they wont be hard to find. Who needs enemies with friends like you?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franiow[/bold] wrote: Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.[/p][/quote]You always talk complete sense Fran.[/p][/quote]The only surprises I suspect will the amount of money Mr Cortese spent on himself, his family for personal items and charged it to the Club, although many company do this its normally their company and therefore their money however we all know Mr Cortese didn't own the company. I have a mate who works in the accounts department at SMS and he has confirmed Mr Cortese spending was outrageous.[/p][/quote]Your mate needs to dish the dirt to the Daily Mirror, he would make a mint.[/p][/quote]You have just published a comment about Mr Cortese's spending implying it was outrageous and possibly inappropriate . His legal advisors are already hunting down "your mate" as there aren't many in that dept so they wont be hard to find. Who needs enemies with friends like you? Alicesdad
  • Score: 3

9:56am Tue 21 Jan 14

Clever Dick says...

JohnItaly wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee![/p][/quote]Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end. Clever Dick
  • Score: -5

9:56am Tue 21 Jan 14

St Retford says...

JohnSFC wrote:
I like to think that as a lifelong Saints Fan Mr Williams will have noticed our progress from -10 Points in League 1 to Challenging for Europe and would like to keep that going.
John? Is that you?

Welcome aboard! Good luck and don't fcuk it up!
[quote][p][bold]JohnSFC[/bold] wrote: I like to think that as a lifelong Saints Fan Mr Williams will have noticed our progress from -10 Points in League 1 to Challenging for Europe and would like to keep that going.[/p][/quote]John? Is that you? Welcome aboard! Good luck and don't fcuk it up! St Retford
  • Score: 5

9:57am Tue 21 Jan 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

I think Katherina was obviously concerned about NC's bold ambitions for the club and because it is a large asset just wanted to make sure that there was someone on the board who could liaise with her on decisions to make sure this was indeed the best course of action. Seems sensible but then again NC has so far hit all of the targets for the club and turned £15m into £150m or more. I would have let him get on with it but then I'm biased.
I think Katherina was obviously concerned about NC's bold ambitions for the club and because it is a large asset just wanted to make sure that there was someone on the board who could liaise with her on decisions to make sure this was indeed the best course of action. Seems sensible but then again NC has so far hit all of the targets for the club and turned £15m into £150m or more. I would have let him get on with it but then I'm biased. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 4

10:05am Tue 21 Jan 14

DisplacedFan says...

St Retford wrote:
I suppose what we're all afraid of is being run by committee and ending up as just another Premier League club - the sort that always chooses from the same safe-but-unspectacul

ar pool of managers (Bruce, Hughes etc etc), that sells all their best players and ends up sitting just above relegation year after year.

Under Cortese, for all his shortcomings in man management, it felt like we were never going to go down that well-trodden path. He thought big, and fans respected that.

But there's no reason to assume that this is how things are going to be. If Katharina really wasn't that arsed about us she'd have sold us by now - she doesn't need the headache of a football team in her life that she doesn't care about - so I don't think she's here to p1ss about and tread water. Let's all give her a chance. And remember - there are other clubs in the world that aren't run by Nicola Cortese that are more successful than ours. Who knows? Maybe Katharina will be driven to prove she can do better without him at the helm.
I agree. The Saints are a small business by her standards and yet she is spending a lot of time on it. This makes me tend to believe she wants to keep it going - perhaps in tribute to ML?
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: I suppose what we're all afraid of is being run by committee and ending up as just another Premier League club - the sort that always chooses from the same safe-but-unspectacul ar pool of managers (Bruce, Hughes etc etc), that sells all their best players and ends up sitting just above relegation year after year. Under Cortese, for all his shortcomings in man management, it felt like we were never going to go down that well-trodden path. He thought big, and fans respected that. But there's no reason to assume that this is how things are going to be. If Katharina really wasn't that arsed about us she'd have sold us by now - she doesn't need the headache of a football team in her life that she doesn't care about - so I don't think she's here to p1ss about and tread water. Let's all give her a chance. And remember - there are other clubs in the world that aren't run by Nicola Cortese that are more successful than ours. Who knows? Maybe Katharina will be driven to prove she can do better without him at the helm.[/p][/quote]I agree. The Saints are a small business by her standards and yet she is spending a lot of time on it. This makes me tend to believe she wants to keep it going - perhaps in tribute to ML? DisplacedFan
  • Score: 2

10:10am Tue 21 Jan 14

Saint. says...

Saint in Melbourne wrote:
Saint. wrote:
Brusher Mills wrote:
What I want to know is to be certain of one thing, is the dream still alive?

I fear we will just stay as we are and be a safe mid table club, which May battle relegation if we stay still.

The Southampton Way, Top 3 club in the Champions League, best youth Acadamy in the world, not selling players unless they are useless, redeveloped stadium as per the DVD a couple of seasons ago. This felt possible with Cortese. I am not excited about John possible being appointed, what is he 64, long term goals not exactly his aim are they.
My point exactly! Another chance for the DE to knock NC it's perfected! End of the day a board could start doing other things and dear I say it cause some old days of internal bickering! May be this is why DE that NC took total control as he saw and picked up the reins of this mess of bickering of previous board! Thought Katharine did not want to let NC go, or is that just words for the public, and if she didn't want him to go she could not be all that worried about the how he run the club as the family appointed him to do just that! I guess it simply NC wanted to develop the stadium and buy the next level of players and she said no doing through on the pitch success? So who to believe and to be fair DE you have no word from NC, but yet have so much to say about him!! Please DE please explain if at this self control period of NC did he not deliver, and did he not always had the club at heart? Did he not improve every quarter of the club? Look at our traveling team coach, our training ground development? Again DE cheap and nasty!

My worry is this Mr Williams! Apart from being a local lad look at the mess at Blackburn. Also is this set for a sell off later like a Blackburn? What a real mess there!
The mess at Blackburn that you allude to started when Williams left; until then they were an extremely well run club regularly punching above their weight (after the money went with the death of Walker), so I'd do your research a little better before slagging off one of the best and well-respected CEO's within the Premier League in recent times.
Who sold them?
[quote][p][bold]Saint in Melbourne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: What I want to know is to be certain of one thing, is the dream still alive? I fear we will just stay as we are and be a safe mid table club, which May battle relegation if we stay still. The Southampton Way, Top 3 club in the Champions League, best youth Acadamy in the world, not selling players unless they are useless, redeveloped stadium as per the DVD a couple of seasons ago. This felt possible with Cortese. I am not excited about John possible being appointed, what is he 64, long term goals not exactly his aim are they.[/p][/quote]My point exactly! Another chance for the DE to knock NC it's perfected! End of the day a board could start doing other things and dear I say it cause some old days of internal bickering! May be this is why DE that NC took total control as he saw and picked up the reins of this mess of bickering of previous board! Thought Katharine did not want to let NC go, or is that just words for the public, and if she didn't want him to go she could not be all that worried about the how he run the club as the family appointed him to do just that! I guess it simply NC wanted to develop the stadium and buy the next level of players and she said no doing through on the pitch success? So who to believe and to be fair DE you have no word from NC, but yet have so much to say about him!! Please DE please explain if at this self control period of NC did he not deliver, and did he not always had the club at heart? Did he not improve every quarter of the club? Look at our traveling team coach, our training ground development? Again DE cheap and nasty! My worry is this Mr Williams! Apart from being a local lad look at the mess at Blackburn. Also is this set for a sell off later like a Blackburn? What a real mess there![/p][/quote]The mess at Blackburn that you allude to started when Williams left; until then they were an extremely well run club regularly punching above their weight (after the money went with the death of Walker), so I'd do your research a little better before slagging off one of the best and well-respected CEO's within the Premier League in recent times.[/p][/quote]Who sold them? Saint.
  • Score: 0

10:16am Tue 21 Jan 14

Alicesdad says...

There will be no riots today.
There will be no riots today. Alicesdad
  • Score: 2

10:17am Tue 21 Jan 14

Confucious says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Oh yes !! We also know that Katharina is 36.
Stop the press for that piece of info ... Well done Echo, probably the only new fact that has emerged from these articles.

Threads for later today ....

- Katharina remains silent on Cortese departure
- Katharina DOES like football
- Katharina DOESN'T like football
- Katharina, the true story
- Katharina spotted at airport
- Katharina, new pictures revealed exclusive !
- Katharina has returned home

I'm in feisty mood today

By the way

I don't know whats going on !
What's happening?
Wake up man. It's perfectly clear that a peremptory attempt is being made to prepare a basis for agreement to establish a position from which the whole question can be surveyed with a view to subsequent analysis of any outstanding points at issue.

Once the whole question and the various complications are understood, they can be dealt with - provided that, at this stage, something isn't done so late that it's too late to do anything.

Of course, it can never be repeated too often that the more it is repeated, the less benefit will derive from the repetition.

I have no doubt that we shall see the outcome in less than 23% of the average lifespan of a caribou.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Oh yes !! We also know that Katharina is 36. Stop the press for that piece of info ... Well done Echo, probably the only new fact that has emerged from these articles. Threads for later today .... - Katharina remains silent on Cortese departure - Katharina DOES like football - Katharina DOESN'T like football - Katharina, the true story - Katharina spotted at airport - Katharina, new pictures revealed exclusive ! - Katharina has returned home I'm in feisty mood today By the way I don't know whats going on ! What's happening?[/p][/quote]Wake up man. It's perfectly clear that a peremptory attempt is being made to prepare a basis for agreement to establish a position from which the whole question can be surveyed with a view to subsequent analysis of any outstanding points at issue. Once the whole question and the various complications are understood, they can be dealt with - provided that, at this stage, something isn't done so late that it's too late to do anything. Of course, it can never be repeated too often that the more it is repeated, the less benefit will derive from the repetition. I have no doubt that we shall see the outcome in less than 23% of the average lifespan of a caribou. Confucious
  • Score: 3

10:21am Tue 21 Jan 14

george chivers says...

NC ran his dictatorship well and got us the results we wanted. But you can understand why KL wouldn't want him to continue like that.. Where is the succession plan if NC had left of his own choice? Or became terminally ill.There isn't one. Where as her father obviously did have a succession plan with his business. Her.

My father ran a semi-pro club like that in the Hampshire League Div1 in the 1960's and 1970's and he was the team manager as well. Successful when he was making all the decisions on and off the pitch. When he packed it in and became a virtually non active chairman it all went wrong, because there wasn't the experience and people in the club to keep all the plates spinning at the same time. And he was exhausted. He of course had a day job as well.

I think she's made the right decision. After all it is her money. NC has been very lucky to run the club in the way he has. If he wants to do that in the future he needs to own the club as well as manage the business. Take the risk with his own money, or borrowed money. That way he can do what he likes and enjoy the rewards, if he is successful, without the fear of being removed.

From KL's point of view I think she has done the right thing. From our point of view she may have or she may not have done the right thing in terms of results on the pitch. Only time will tell. As supporters we need to get behind her. We are lucky to have her money in our club. Think where we would be without it.

Yes down there with that lot. The king is dead. Long Live the Queen.

The irony is NC got rid of team managers when it suited him. Now the same has happened to him. Power without ownership doesn't equal job security in business. You are not a name, you are a number, if you don't own the equity.

COYR STID
NC ran his dictatorship well and got us the results we wanted. But you can understand why KL wouldn't want him to continue like that.. Where is the succession plan if NC had left of his own choice? Or became terminally ill.There isn't one. Where as her father obviously did have a succession plan with his business. Her. My father ran a semi-pro club like that in the Hampshire League Div1 in the 1960's and 1970's and he was the team manager as well. Successful when he was making all the decisions on and off the pitch. When he packed it in and became a virtually non active chairman it all went wrong, because there wasn't the experience and people in the club to keep all the plates spinning at the same time. And he was exhausted. He of course had a day job as well. I think she's made the right decision. After all it is her money. NC has been very lucky to run the club in the way he has. If he wants to do that in the future he needs to own the club as well as manage the business. Take the risk with his own money, or borrowed money. That way he can do what he likes and enjoy the rewards, if he is successful, without the fear of being removed. From KL's point of view I think she has done the right thing. From our point of view she may have or she may not have done the right thing in terms of results on the pitch. Only time will tell. As supporters we need to get behind her. We are lucky to have her money in our club. Think where we would be without it. Yes down there with that lot. The king is dead. Long Live the Queen. The irony is NC got rid of team managers when it suited him. Now the same has happened to him. Power without ownership doesn't equal job security in business. You are not a name, you are a number, if you don't own the equity. COYR STID george chivers
  • Score: 6

10:21am Tue 21 Jan 14

therealredarmy says...

John Williamson is a dinausor of football he had success in the past back in the 90's and early 2000 but that's it . Football has change so much our club cannot appoint a guy like him, Look what happen to Liverpool when they appointed Kenny Dalglish they failed and still struggling now ! Can we achieve Champions League yes but not at the moment let's enjoy another year in the top flight then let's go crazy in 2014/2015 season. We have the best football academy in the UK but not in the world we are still way behind the like of Barca, Bayern, Ajax, St Etienne, Lyon, FC Basle, Dortmund, Santos and so on but we are getting there! remember people Rome wasn't built in the week The Liebherre Family own the Club let's trust them and see what happen .
John Williamson is a dinausor of football he had success in the past back in the 90's and early 2000 but that's it . Football has change so much our club cannot appoint a guy like him, Look what happen to Liverpool when they appointed Kenny Dalglish they failed and still struggling now ! Can we achieve Champions League yes but not at the moment let's enjoy another year in the top flight then let's go crazy in 2014/2015 season. We have the best football academy in the UK but not in the world we are still way behind the like of Barca, Bayern, Ajax, St Etienne, Lyon, FC Basle, Dortmund, Santos and so on but we are getting there! remember people Rome wasn't built in the week The Liebherre Family own the Club let's trust them and see what happen . therealredarmy
  • Score: -2

10:29am Tue 21 Jan 14

warrens 76 says...

Brusher Mills wrote:
What I want to know is to be certain of one thing, is the dream still alive?

I fear we will just stay as we are and be a safe mid table club, which May battle relegation if we stay still.

The Southampton Way, Top 3 club in the Champions League, best youth Acadamy in the world, not selling players unless they are useless, redeveloped stadium as per the DVD a couple of seasons ago. This felt possible with Cortese. I am not excited about John possible being appointed, what is he 64, long term goals not exactly his aim are they.
I totally agree with your dreams, which we were ALL led to believe were a shared ambition of NC and the ongoing wishes of Marcus…

The gulf in income stream, stadium capacity, corporate tie ups and global merchandising between us and the top four is without a permanent sugar Daddy almost impossible to bridge, maybe a one off with all the decisions and breaks going our way there is a slim and I mean SLIM chance if we up our current squad with another 50 million of talent…..

…in light of current events I do not see it, the board will be comprised of sensible accountancy type suits…the vision is for entrepreneurs, dreamers and those spending other peoples money…..

Bless Marcus but he was German and an expansionist albiet carefully by nature….the Swiss mentality is no risk and tight purse strings, fun is also not part of the agenda indeed here in Vaud it feels like it is banned…

Our club is safe for now but a totally logical overview will show that progress will not continue as in the past….
[quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: What I want to know is to be certain of one thing, is the dream still alive? I fear we will just stay as we are and be a safe mid table club, which May battle relegation if we stay still. The Southampton Way, Top 3 club in the Champions League, best youth Acadamy in the world, not selling players unless they are useless, redeveloped stadium as per the DVD a couple of seasons ago. This felt possible with Cortese. I am not excited about John possible being appointed, what is he 64, long term goals not exactly his aim are they.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with your dreams, which we were ALL led to believe were a shared ambition of NC and the ongoing wishes of Marcus… The gulf in income stream, stadium capacity, corporate tie ups and global merchandising between us and the top four is without a permanent sugar Daddy almost impossible to bridge, maybe a one off with all the decisions and breaks going our way there is a slim and I mean SLIM chance if we up our current squad with another 50 million of talent….. …in light of current events I do not see it, the board will be comprised of sensible accountancy type suits…the vision is for entrepreneurs, dreamers and those spending other peoples money….. Bless Marcus but he was German and an expansionist albiet carefully by nature….the Swiss mentality is no risk and tight purse strings, fun is also not part of the agenda indeed here in Vaud it feels like it is banned… Our club is safe for now but a totally logical overview will show that progress will not continue as in the past…. warrens 76
  • Score: 3

10:32am Tue 21 Jan 14

Saint. says...

therealredarmy wrote:
John Williamson is a dinausor of football he had success in the past back in the 90's and early 2000 but that's it . Football has change so much our club cannot appoint a guy like him, Look what happen to Liverpool when they appointed Kenny Dalglish they failed and still struggling now ! Can we achieve Champions League yes but not at the moment let's enjoy another year in the top flight then let's go crazy in 2014/2015 season. We have the best football academy in the UK but not in the world we are still way behind the like of Barca, Bayern, Ajax, St Etienne, Lyon, FC Basle, Dortmund, Santos and so on but we are getting there! remember people Rome wasn't built in the week The Liebherre Family own the Club let's trust them and see what happen .
Thank you! Well said
[quote][p][bold]therealredarmy[/bold] wrote: John Williamson is a dinausor of football he had success in the past back in the 90's and early 2000 but that's it . Football has change so much our club cannot appoint a guy like him, Look what happen to Liverpool when they appointed Kenny Dalglish they failed and still struggling now ! Can we achieve Champions League yes but not at the moment let's enjoy another year in the top flight then let's go crazy in 2014/2015 season. We have the best football academy in the UK but not in the world we are still way behind the like of Barca, Bayern, Ajax, St Etienne, Lyon, FC Basle, Dortmund, Santos and so on but we are getting there! remember people Rome wasn't built in the week The Liebherre Family own the Club let's trust them and see what happen .[/p][/quote]Thank you! Well said Saint.
  • Score: 1

10:37am Tue 21 Jan 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Clever Dick wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.
One of my favourite post cards (circa 1980) showed a picture of Our Lord in Leonardo's Last Supper mode. However, rather than the 12 disciples, around the table were sat 12 UN reps - all men, all in suits, all with their little flags in front of them and all arguing vehemently. Meanwhile, Jesus was sat, head in hands, thinking, 'what's the point?'

The caption below the picture read:

'For God so loved the world that he did not send a committee.'

That said, I do tend to lean towards the committee approach rather than going for a dictator. I guess it depends who the dictator is. For all his faults, Saints did alright by NC.

If Katharina could bring in Our Lord ......
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee![/p][/quote]Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.[/p][/quote]One of my favourite post cards (circa 1980) showed a picture of Our Lord in Leonardo's Last Supper mode. However, rather than the 12 disciples, around the table were sat 12 UN reps - all men, all in suits, all with their little flags in front of them and all arguing vehemently. Meanwhile, Jesus was sat, head in hands, thinking, 'what's the point?' The caption below the picture read: 'For God so loved the world that he did not send a committee.' That said, I do tend to lean towards the committee approach rather than going for a dictator. I guess it depends who the dictator is. For all his faults, Saints did alright by NC. If Katharina could bring in Our Lord ...... Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 2

10:43am Tue 21 Jan 14

Confucious says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
franiow wrote:
Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.
It's only £100m+ asset because Cortese made it so.

Everyone's forgotten we were told at the time of Markus's death that Cortese was 'effectively part of the family'. He was chair of the Trust. Now they're saying 'he was only an employee'.

We were also told that if ever the Liebherr's wanted out he had people to step in, so if they didn't want to back his vision they should have asked him to find someone to buy them out and carry it forward. It's easy to turn around now and say it couldn't be achieved anyway, well that's poor, the last four years amazing successes would point very much to the opposite being true. Either way I prefer to applaud triers who fail than those that don't try at all.
That's exactly what they said about Mussolini - and as soon as they got rid of him, hey presto, the trains all ran late.

Also, while this John Williams bloke seems quite nice, I do worry about employing someone in this day and age with a moustache. I've never liked people with moustaches.

We had a right violent swine of a teacher at school with a big moustache about whom we all complained to our parents and the headmaster in an attempt to secure dismissal. Our efforts were completely without success. She was kept on.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franiow[/bold] wrote: Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.[/p][/quote]It's only £100m+ asset because Cortese made it so. Everyone's forgotten we were told at the time of Markus's death that Cortese was 'effectively part of the family'. He was chair of the Trust. Now they're saying 'he was only an employee'. We were also told that if ever the Liebherr's wanted out he had people to step in, so if they didn't want to back his vision they should have asked him to find someone to buy them out and carry it forward. It's easy to turn around now and say it couldn't be achieved anyway, well that's poor, the last four years amazing successes would point very much to the opposite being true. Either way I prefer to applaud triers who fail than those that don't try at all.[/p][/quote]That's exactly what they said about Mussolini - and as soon as they got rid of him, hey presto, the trains all ran late. Also, while this John Williams bloke seems quite nice, I do worry about employing someone in this day and age with a moustache. I've never liked people with moustaches. We had a right violent swine of a teacher at school with a big moustache about whom we all complained to our parents and the headmaster in an attempt to secure dismissal. Our efforts were completely without success. She was kept on. Confucious
  • Score: 8

10:45am Tue 21 Jan 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

montecristosaint wrote:
Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
Said it before, the point all the media fail to mention is that the club is owned by the Markus's trust and the trustees have a legal duty to properly manage and protect the trust's money and property. Having a CEO taking major decisions singlehandedly is not good corporate governance and if it had been allowed to continue the trustees would have been in breach if their duty to the trust. This is why all major decisions will now be taken by a board of directors and why the trust will be represented on the board. There is nothing sinister about that. While he was alive Markus could allow NC as much power as he wanted to give him but the trustees cannot without being in breach of duty and therefore potentially liable personally to the trust to replace any wasted funds. NC clearly wanted to retain more control than the trustees could allow.

What worries me more than any of this is whether we still have the same ambitions. Note that KL is reported as saying she has not come to oversee an 'immediate' sale. Does that mean she still wants out?
no, she would not go to all this trouble of creating a company structure if she wanted out. She could have sold the club several times over with Cortese still on board. The Liebherrs are in this for the long term.
You are right, the club could have been sold at any time, but why would it have been sold before? Last year we were at the lower end of the table and there were doubts expressed by all commentators (other than Saints fans) about the potential and how realistic our ambitions were on and off the field which would have led to a lower price. This season NC, MoPo and the players have shown what the potential is both in terms of the football and business side. Don't forget, the aim is to sell at the top end of the market not the bottom (unless you have to) or the middle (unless you want out for some reason). Another year or two might have seen us challenging for a champions league spot if NC had had his way. If we had got that how much would the club have been worth then?
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: Said it before, the point all the media fail to mention is that the club is owned by the Markus's trust and the trustees have a legal duty to properly manage and protect the trust's money and property. Having a CEO taking major decisions singlehandedly is not good corporate governance and if it had been allowed to continue the trustees would have been in breach if their duty to the trust. This is why all major decisions will now be taken by a board of directors and why the trust will be represented on the board. There is nothing sinister about that. While he was alive Markus could allow NC as much power as he wanted to give him but the trustees cannot without being in breach of duty and therefore potentially liable personally to the trust to replace any wasted funds. NC clearly wanted to retain more control than the trustees could allow. What worries me more than any of this is whether we still have the same ambitions. Note that KL is reported as saying she has not come to oversee an 'immediate' sale. Does that mean she still wants out?[/p][/quote]no, she would not go to all this trouble of creating a company structure if she wanted out. She could have sold the club several times over with Cortese still on board. The Liebherrs are in this for the long term.[/p][/quote]You are right, the club could have been sold at any time, but why would it have been sold before? Last year we were at the lower end of the table and there were doubts expressed by all commentators (other than Saints fans) about the potential and how realistic our ambitions were on and off the field which would have led to a lower price. This season NC, MoPo and the players have shown what the potential is both in terms of the football and business side. Don't forget, the aim is to sell at the top end of the market not the bottom (unless you have to) or the middle (unless you want out for some reason). Another year or two might have seen us challenging for a champions league spot if NC had had his way. If we had got that how much would the club have been worth then? Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: -1

10:46am Tue 21 Jan 14

el caballo santos101 says...

I have a friend who works at SMS and she has always said that NC was a delight to work for, but then she might just be saying that (I do tend to believe her though), and I haven't yet spoken too her since he's gone.
I also know a few ex players and at least one has said that NC is an ( insert own expletive), and has even been charging taxi bills, to get his kids to school, to the club. But then he might just be saying that, after NC took Thierry freebies away.
There will be people who loved NC and those who hate him, revolutionary characters tend to be like that.
Personally I loved what he has done to our club but think his personality left a lot to be desired. We will miss his drive and stubbornness with other clubs and agents. We wont miss his distant nature with the press and fans. Yes 'the Southampton day's was NC's vision and 'his baby' and as fans we all want that vision to continue, whether or not it will only time will tell.
Will KL sell or will she keep the club? Again we don't know and time will tell, we do know she said the club isn't for sale in the immediate future. how long that means is again unknown, immediate future could mean next week or scientists have told us that the sun will blow up, but in the immediate future and we are safe for several billion years. So anywhere between the 2.
Why did NC leave? Again we might never know and pointless speculation regarding the sale or not, the alleged power struggle, whether or not he wanted more funds or any other reason.
NC has gone KL is chairman (non-exec) we are about to appoint a new CEO and board, MP is staying and has apparently been offered a new contract, staplewood is nearly complete and we are still 9th in the league with a winnable FA cup game at home on Saturday.
People were upset when NA left but we came out of that in a Better position, we may do again.
COYR's
I have a friend who works at SMS and she has always said that NC was a delight to work for, but then she might just be saying that (I do tend to believe her though), and I haven't yet spoken too her since he's gone. I also know a few ex players and at least one has said that NC is an ( insert own expletive), and has even been charging taxi bills, to get his kids to school, to the club. But then he might just be saying that, after NC took Thierry freebies away. There will be people who loved NC and those who hate him, revolutionary characters tend to be like that. Personally I loved what he has done to our club but think his personality left a lot to be desired. We will miss his drive and stubbornness with other clubs and agents. We wont miss his distant nature with the press and fans. Yes 'the Southampton day's was NC's vision and 'his baby' and as fans we all want that vision to continue, whether or not it will only time will tell. Will KL sell or will she keep the club? Again we don't know and time will tell, we do know she said the club isn't for sale in the immediate future. how long that means is again unknown, immediate future could mean next week or scientists have told us that the sun will blow up, but in the immediate future and we are safe for several billion years. So anywhere between the 2. Why did NC leave? Again we might never know and pointless speculation regarding the sale or not, the alleged power struggle, whether or not he wanted more funds or any other reason. NC has gone KL is chairman (non-exec) we are about to appoint a new CEO and board, MP is staying and has apparently been offered a new contract, staplewood is nearly complete and we are still 9th in the league with a winnable FA cup game at home on Saturday. People were upset when NA left but we came out of that in a Better position, we may do again. COYR's el caballo santos101
  • Score: 4

10:47am Tue 21 Jan 14

Alicesdad says...

Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Oh yes !! We also know that Katharina is 36.
Stop the press for that piece of info ... Well done Echo, probably the only new fact that has emerged from these articles.

Threads for later today ....

- Katharina remains silent on Cortese departure
- Katharina DOES like football
- Katharina DOESN'T like football
- Katharina, the true story
- Katharina spotted at airport
- Katharina, new pictures revealed exclusive !
- Katharina has returned home

I'm in feisty mood today

By the way

I don't know whats going on !
What's happening?
Wake up man. It's perfectly clear that a peremptory attempt is being made to prepare a basis for agreement to establish a position from which the whole question can be surveyed with a view to subsequent analysis of any outstanding points at issue.

Once the whole question and the various complications are understood, they can be dealt with - provided that, at this stage, something isn't done so late that it's too late to do anything.

Of course, it can never be repeated too often that the more it is repeated, the less benefit will derive from the repetition.

I have no doubt that we shall see the outcome in less than 23% of the average lifespan of a caribou.
It all makes perfetc sense. I don't know why I didn't think of that.
Maybe it's because I don't know what's going on.
What's happening.?

I don't know the average life of a caribou either. so 23% of it still means I don't know what is going on.

But I like the idea of the new future strategy for St Mary's being known as the Caribou Plan. It has a nicer ring to it than the Five Year Plan, more touchy feely. Let today be known as the day the Caribou Plan was born.
Keep me posted on progress with the 23%
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Oh yes !! We also know that Katharina is 36. Stop the press for that piece of info ... Well done Echo, probably the only new fact that has emerged from these articles. Threads for later today .... - Katharina remains silent on Cortese departure - Katharina DOES like football - Katharina DOESN'T like football - Katharina, the true story - Katharina spotted at airport - Katharina, new pictures revealed exclusive ! - Katharina has returned home I'm in feisty mood today By the way I don't know whats going on ! What's happening?[/p][/quote]Wake up man. It's perfectly clear that a peremptory attempt is being made to prepare a basis for agreement to establish a position from which the whole question can be surveyed with a view to subsequent analysis of any outstanding points at issue. Once the whole question and the various complications are understood, they can be dealt with - provided that, at this stage, something isn't done so late that it's too late to do anything. Of course, it can never be repeated too often that the more it is repeated, the less benefit will derive from the repetition. I have no doubt that we shall see the outcome in less than 23% of the average lifespan of a caribou.[/p][/quote]It all makes perfetc sense. I don't know why I didn't think of that. Maybe it's because I don't know what's going on. What's happening.? I don't know the average life of a caribou either. so 23% of it still means I don't know what is going on. But I like the idea of the new future strategy for St Mary's being known as the Caribou Plan. It has a nicer ring to it than the Five Year Plan, more touchy feely. Let today be known as the day the Caribou Plan was born. Keep me posted on progress with the 23% Alicesdad
  • Score: 2

10:52am Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

JohnItaly wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
Camel the ship of the desert, designed to fit the conditions in which it exists very effeiciently, what is your point. Cross a camel with a leopard and you get a giraffe, work that one out.
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee![/p][/quote]Camel the ship of the desert, designed to fit the conditions in which it exists very effeiciently, what is your point. Cross a camel with a leopard and you get a giraffe, work that one out. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

11:00am Tue 21 Jan 14

North Wales Saint says...

Saint. wrote:
therealredarmy wrote:
John Williamson is a dinausor of football he had success in the past back in the 90's and early 2000 but that's it . Football has change so much our club cannot appoint a guy like him, Look what happen to Liverpool when they appointed Kenny Dalglish they failed and still struggling now ! Can we achieve Champions League yes but not at the moment let's enjoy another year in the top flight then let's go crazy in 2014/2015 season. We have the best football academy in the UK but not in the world we are still way behind the like of Barca, Bayern, Ajax, St Etienne, Lyon, FC Basle, Dortmund, Santos and so on but we are getting there! remember people Rome wasn't built in the week The Liebherre Family own the Club let's trust them and see what happen .
Thank you! Well said
Except his name is Williams
[quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]therealredarmy[/bold] wrote: John Williamson is a dinausor of football he had success in the past back in the 90's and early 2000 but that's it . Football has change so much our club cannot appoint a guy like him, Look what happen to Liverpool when they appointed Kenny Dalglish they failed and still struggling now ! Can we achieve Champions League yes but not at the moment let's enjoy another year in the top flight then let's go crazy in 2014/2015 season. We have the best football academy in the UK but not in the world we are still way behind the like of Barca, Bayern, Ajax, St Etienne, Lyon, FC Basle, Dortmund, Santos and so on but we are getting there! remember people Rome wasn't built in the week The Liebherre Family own the Club let's trust them and see what happen .[/p][/quote]Thank you! Well said[/p][/quote]Except his name is Williams North Wales Saint
  • Score: 2

11:01am Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Oh yes !! We also know that Katharina is 36.
Stop the press for that piece of info ... Well done Echo, probably the only new fact that has emerged from these articles.

Threads for later today ....

- Katharina remains silent on Cortese departure
- Katharina DOES like football
- Katharina DOESN'T like football
- Katharina, the true story
- Katharina spotted at airport
- Katharina, new pictures revealed exclusive !
- Katharina has returned home

I'm in feisty mood today

By the way

I don't know whats going on !
What's happening?
Have a peak at Not 606 Southampton. look in The New Chief Executive thread, in particular message #38. Make of that what you will.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Oh yes !! We also know that Katharina is 36. Stop the press for that piece of info ... Well done Echo, probably the only new fact that has emerged from these articles. Threads for later today .... - Katharina remains silent on Cortese departure - Katharina DOES like football - Katharina DOESN'T like football - Katharina, the true story - Katharina spotted at airport - Katharina, new pictures revealed exclusive ! - Katharina has returned home I'm in feisty mood today By the way I don't know whats going on ! What's happening?[/p][/quote]Have a peak at Not 606 Southampton. look in The New Chief Executive thread, in particular message #38. Make of that what you will. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

11:11am Tue 21 Jan 14

St Retford says...

Confucious wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
franiow wrote:
Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.
It's only £100m+ asset because Cortese made it so.

Everyone's forgotten we were told at the time of Markus's death that Cortese was 'effectively part of the family'. He was chair of the Trust. Now they're saying 'he was only an employee'.

We were also told that if ever the Liebherr's wanted out he had people to step in, so if they didn't want to back his vision they should have asked him to find someone to buy them out and carry it forward. It's easy to turn around now and say it couldn't be achieved anyway, well that's poor, the last four years amazing successes would point very much to the opposite being true. Either way I prefer to applaud triers who fail than those that don't try at all.
That's exactly what they said about Mussolini - and as soon as they got rid of him, hey presto, the trains all ran late.

Also, while this John Williams bloke seems quite nice, I do worry about employing someone in this day and age with a moustache. I've never liked people with moustaches.

We had a right violent swine of a teacher at school with a big moustache about whom we all complained to our parents and the headmaster in an attempt to secure dismissal. Our efforts were completely without success. She was kept on.
I think that's the real elephant in the room, here. At first I thought it was just something he was doing for 'Movember' and was all "that's nice - he's doing his bit for charity" but then the absence of any pictures of him without a moustache makes me think it might be permanent.

Do we REALLY want one of those in our boardroom?
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franiow[/bold] wrote: Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.[/p][/quote]It's only £100m+ asset because Cortese made it so. Everyone's forgotten we were told at the time of Markus's death that Cortese was 'effectively part of the family'. He was chair of the Trust. Now they're saying 'he was only an employee'. We were also told that if ever the Liebherr's wanted out he had people to step in, so if they didn't want to back his vision they should have asked him to find someone to buy them out and carry it forward. It's easy to turn around now and say it couldn't be achieved anyway, well that's poor, the last four years amazing successes would point very much to the opposite being true. Either way I prefer to applaud triers who fail than those that don't try at all.[/p][/quote]That's exactly what they said about Mussolini - and as soon as they got rid of him, hey presto, the trains all ran late. Also, while this John Williams bloke seems quite nice, I do worry about employing someone in this day and age with a moustache. I've never liked people with moustaches. We had a right violent swine of a teacher at school with a big moustache about whom we all complained to our parents and the headmaster in an attempt to secure dismissal. Our efforts were completely without success. She was kept on.[/p][/quote]I think that's the real elephant in the room, here. At first I thought it was just something he was doing for 'Movember' and was all "that's nice - he's doing his bit for charity" but then the absence of any pictures of him without a moustache makes me think it might be permanent. Do we REALLY want one of those in our boardroom? St Retford
  • Score: -1

11:51am Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

I have a moustache, but shaving it off won't make me any more popular on here, so it's staying for now. Try it I think they will grow on you.
I have a moustache, but shaving it off won't make me any more popular on here, so it's staying for now. Try it I think they will grow on you. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -6

11:54am Tue 21 Jan 14

Brusher Mills says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Brusher Mills wrote: What I want to know is to be certain of one thing, is the dream still alive? I fear we will just stay as we are and be a safe mid table club, which May battle relegation if we stay still. The Southampton Way, Top 3 club in the Champions League, best youth Acadamy in the world, not selling players unless they are useless, redeveloped stadium as per the DVD a couple of seasons ago. This felt possible with Cortese. I am not excited about John possible being appointed, what is he 64, long term goals not exactly his aim are they.
I totally agree with your dreams, which we were ALL led to believe were a shared ambition of NC and the ongoing wishes of Marcus… The gulf in income stream, stadium capacity, corporate tie ups and global merchandising between us and the top four is without a permanent sugar Daddy almost impossible to bridge, maybe a one off with all the decisions and breaks going our way there is a slim and I mean SLIM chance if we up our current squad with another 50 million of talent….. …in light of current events I do not see it, the board will be comprised of sensible accountancy type suits…the vision is for entrepreneurs, dreamers and those spending other peoples money….. Bless Marcus but he was German and an expansionist albiet carefully by nature….the Swiss mentality is no risk and tight purse strings, fun is also not part of the agenda indeed here in Vaud it feels like it is banned… Our club is safe for now but a totally logical overview will show that progress will not continue as in the past….
That's cheered me up.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: What I want to know is to be certain of one thing, is the dream still alive? I fear we will just stay as we are and be a safe mid table club, which May battle relegation if we stay still. The Southampton Way, Top 3 club in the Champions League, best youth Acadamy in the world, not selling players unless they are useless, redeveloped stadium as per the DVD a couple of seasons ago. This felt possible with Cortese. I am not excited about John possible being appointed, what is he 64, long term goals not exactly his aim are they.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with your dreams, which we were ALL led to believe were a shared ambition of NC and the ongoing wishes of Marcus… The gulf in income stream, stadium capacity, corporate tie ups and global merchandising between us and the top four is without a permanent sugar Daddy almost impossible to bridge, maybe a one off with all the decisions and breaks going our way there is a slim and I mean SLIM chance if we up our current squad with another 50 million of talent….. …in light of current events I do not see it, the board will be comprised of sensible accountancy type suits…the vision is for entrepreneurs, dreamers and those spending other peoples money….. Bless Marcus but he was German and an expansionist albiet carefully by nature….the Swiss mentality is no risk and tight purse strings, fun is also not part of the agenda indeed here in Vaud it feels like it is banned… Our club is safe for now but a totally logical overview will show that progress will not continue as in the past….[/p][/quote]That's cheered me up. Brusher Mills
  • Score: 0

11:55am Tue 21 Jan 14

miltonarcher says...

Katharina has more of an insight into her father’s dream for this club than anybody. I believe she will want to pursue that dream as a fitting memorial to her father. For that reason alone I am confident the club is in good hands and she will do everything in her power to take us to the next level.
Katharina has more of an insight into her father’s dream for this club than anybody. I believe she will want to pursue that dream as a fitting memorial to her father. For that reason alone I am confident the club is in good hands and she will do everything in her power to take us to the next level. miltonarcher
  • Score: 1

12:00pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Clever Dick says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.
One of my favourite post cards (circa 1980) showed a picture of Our Lord in Leonardo's Last Supper mode. However, rather than the 12 disciples, around the table were sat 12 UN reps - all men, all in suits, all with their little flags in front of them and all arguing vehemently. Meanwhile, Jesus was sat, head in hands, thinking, 'what's the point?'

The caption below the picture read:

'For God so loved the world that he did not send a committee.'

That said, I do tend to lean towards the committee approach rather than going for a dictator. I guess it depends who the dictator is. For all his faults, Saints did alright by NC.

If Katharina could bring in Our Lord ......
Yes a dictatorship is fine if all the decisions are the right ones. So far ,for me, NC did nothing wrong. But one individual can never be right all of the time. Probably just a matter of time till he made a few gaffs. The problem with committees can be the lack of decision making. This can work both ways as well as change is not always for the good. And then again with one dominant person overpowering the weaker members we end up with a virtual dictatorship anyway. I think Katharina has every right to have an input into a club which she owns 100%. Who wouldn't?
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee![/p][/quote]Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.[/p][/quote]One of my favourite post cards (circa 1980) showed a picture of Our Lord in Leonardo's Last Supper mode. However, rather than the 12 disciples, around the table were sat 12 UN reps - all men, all in suits, all with their little flags in front of them and all arguing vehemently. Meanwhile, Jesus was sat, head in hands, thinking, 'what's the point?' The caption below the picture read: 'For God so loved the world that he did not send a committee.' That said, I do tend to lean towards the committee approach rather than going for a dictator. I guess it depends who the dictator is. For all his faults, Saints did alright by NC. If Katharina could bring in Our Lord ......[/p][/quote]Yes a dictatorship is fine if all the decisions are the right ones. So far ,for me, NC did nothing wrong. But one individual can never be right all of the time. Probably just a matter of time till he made a few gaffs. The problem with committees can be the lack of decision making. This can work both ways as well as change is not always for the good. And then again with one dominant person overpowering the weaker members we end up with a virtual dictatorship anyway. I think Katharina has every right to have an input into a club which she owns 100%. Who wouldn't? Clever Dick
  • Score: 4

12:03pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Confucious says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Oh yes !! We also know that Katharina is 36.
Stop the press for that piece of info ... Well done Echo, probably the only new fact that has emerged from these articles.

Threads for later today ....

- Katharina remains silent on Cortese departure
- Katharina DOES like football
- Katharina DOESN'T like football
- Katharina, the true story
- Katharina spotted at airport
- Katharina, new pictures revealed exclusive !
- Katharina has returned home

I'm in feisty mood today

By the way

I don't know whats going on !
What's happening?
Wake up man. It's perfectly clear that a peremptory attempt is being made to prepare a basis for agreement to establish a position from which the whole question can be surveyed with a view to subsequent analysis of any outstanding points at issue.

Once the whole question and the various complications are understood, they can be dealt with - provided that, at this stage, something isn't done so late that it's too late to do anything.

Of course, it can never be repeated too often that the more it is repeated, the less benefit will derive from the repetition.

I have no doubt that we shall see the outcome in less than 23% of the average lifespan of a caribou.
It all makes perfetc sense. I don't know why I didn't think of that.
Maybe it's because I don't know what's going on.
What's happening.?

I don't know the average life of a caribou either. so 23% of it still means I don't know what is going on.

But I like the idea of the new future strategy for St Mary's being known as the Caribou Plan. It has a nicer ring to it than the Five Year Plan, more touchy feely. Let today be known as the day the Caribou Plan was born.
Keep me posted on progress with the 23%
Just so you can be absolutely clear Alicesdad, I'm working on the basis of the so-called North American "Early Caribou" and not the Icelandic "Late Caribou". You may be confused because the latest of the "Early Caribous" do arrive at the about the same time as the earliest of the "Late Caribous". However, sometimes the earliest of the "Early Caribous" are actually dead by the time the latest of the "Late Caribous" arrive - so I have taken the average of the early and late arrivals of both the "Late" and the "Early" species.

I could be wrong by up to one minute and ninety seconds. I made the mistake of using two watches to time things and whilst one can always be sure of the time if you've only got one watch, you can never be completely sure if you've got two watches.

Nonetheless, I will consider it extremely nit-picky if you now start moaning about a mere 90 seconds. Three times that could disappear if the new Saints CEO took time out for an unscheduled pee during a highly strategic Saints board meeting.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Oh yes !! We also know that Katharina is 36. Stop the press for that piece of info ... Well done Echo, probably the only new fact that has emerged from these articles. Threads for later today .... - Katharina remains silent on Cortese departure - Katharina DOES like football - Katharina DOESN'T like football - Katharina, the true story - Katharina spotted at airport - Katharina, new pictures revealed exclusive ! - Katharina has returned home I'm in feisty mood today By the way I don't know whats going on ! What's happening?[/p][/quote]Wake up man. It's perfectly clear that a peremptory attempt is being made to prepare a basis for agreement to establish a position from which the whole question can be surveyed with a view to subsequent analysis of any outstanding points at issue. Once the whole question and the various complications are understood, they can be dealt with - provided that, at this stage, something isn't done so late that it's too late to do anything. Of course, it can never be repeated too often that the more it is repeated, the less benefit will derive from the repetition. I have no doubt that we shall see the outcome in less than 23% of the average lifespan of a caribou.[/p][/quote]It all makes perfetc sense. I don't know why I didn't think of that. Maybe it's because I don't know what's going on. What's happening.? I don't know the average life of a caribou either. so 23% of it still means I don't know what is going on. But I like the idea of the new future strategy for St Mary's being known as the Caribou Plan. It has a nicer ring to it than the Five Year Plan, more touchy feely. Let today be known as the day the Caribou Plan was born. Keep me posted on progress with the 23%[/p][/quote]Just so you can be absolutely clear Alicesdad, I'm working on the basis of the so-called North American "Early Caribou" and not the Icelandic "Late Caribou". You may be confused because the latest of the "Early Caribous" do arrive at the about the same time as the earliest of the "Late Caribous". However, sometimes the earliest of the "Early Caribous" are actually dead by the time the latest of the "Late Caribous" arrive - so I have taken the average of the early and late arrivals of both the "Late" and the "Early" species. I could be wrong by up to one minute and ninety seconds. I made the mistake of using two watches to time things and whilst one can always be sure of the time if you've only got one watch, you can never be completely sure if you've got two watches. Nonetheless, I will consider it extremely nit-picky if you now start moaning about a mere 90 seconds. Three times that could disappear if the new Saints CEO took time out for an unscheduled pee during a highly strategic Saints board meeting. Confucious
  • Score: 1

12:13pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Confucious says...

St Retford wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
franiow wrote:
Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.
It's only £100m+ asset because Cortese made it so.

Everyone's forgotten we were told at the time of Markus's death that Cortese was 'effectively part of the family'. He was chair of the Trust. Now they're saying 'he was only an employee'.

We were also told that if ever the Liebherr's wanted out he had people to step in, so if they didn't want to back his vision they should have asked him to find someone to buy them out and carry it forward. It's easy to turn around now and say it couldn't be achieved anyway, well that's poor, the last four years amazing successes would point very much to the opposite being true. Either way I prefer to applaud triers who fail than those that don't try at all.
That's exactly what they said about Mussolini - and as soon as they got rid of him, hey presto, the trains all ran late.

Also, while this John Williams bloke seems quite nice, I do worry about employing someone in this day and age with a moustache. I've never liked people with moustaches.

We had a right violent swine of a teacher at school with a big moustache about whom we all complained to our parents and the headmaster in an attempt to secure dismissal. Our efforts were completely without success. She was kept on.
I think that's the real elephant in the room, here. At first I thought it was just something he was doing for 'Movember' and was all "that's nice - he's doing his bit for charity" but then the absence of any pictures of him without a moustache makes me think it might be permanent.

Do we REALLY want one of those in our boardroom?
No! No! No! I'm with you Retford. No moustaches at St Marys!

I would only grow a moustache if Jenifer Aniston asked to snog me in order that she could clean her lovely white teeth while we were at it.

Actually, I've always dreamed of having one of my hairs in Jenifer Aniston's mouth.

Mind you I think it's ok to have a moustache if you are receiving a country and western music award.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franiow[/bold] wrote: Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.[/p][/quote]It's only £100m+ asset because Cortese made it so. Everyone's forgotten we were told at the time of Markus's death that Cortese was 'effectively part of the family'. He was chair of the Trust. Now they're saying 'he was only an employee'. We were also told that if ever the Liebherr's wanted out he had people to step in, so if they didn't want to back his vision they should have asked him to find someone to buy them out and carry it forward. It's easy to turn around now and say it couldn't be achieved anyway, well that's poor, the last four years amazing successes would point very much to the opposite being true. Either way I prefer to applaud triers who fail than those that don't try at all.[/p][/quote]That's exactly what they said about Mussolini - and as soon as they got rid of him, hey presto, the trains all ran late. Also, while this John Williams bloke seems quite nice, I do worry about employing someone in this day and age with a moustache. I've never liked people with moustaches. We had a right violent swine of a teacher at school with a big moustache about whom we all complained to our parents and the headmaster in an attempt to secure dismissal. Our efforts were completely without success. She was kept on.[/p][/quote]I think that's the real elephant in the room, here. At first I thought it was just something he was doing for 'Movember' and was all "that's nice - he's doing his bit for charity" but then the absence of any pictures of him without a moustache makes me think it might be permanent. Do we REALLY want one of those in our boardroom?[/p][/quote]No! No! No! I'm with you Retford. No moustaches at St Marys! I would only grow a moustache if Jenifer Aniston asked to snog me in order that she could clean her lovely white teeth while we were at it. Actually, I've always dreamed of having one of my hairs in Jenifer Aniston's mouth. Mind you I think it's ok to have a moustache if you are receiving a country and western music award. Confucious
  • Score: 2

12:13pm Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Oh yes !! We also know that Katharina is 36.
Stop the press for that piece of info ... Well done Echo, probably the only new fact that has emerged from these articles.

Threads for later today ....

- Katharina remains silent on Cortese departure
- Katharina DOES like football
- Katharina DOESN'T like football
- Katharina, the true story
- Katharina spotted at airport
- Katharina, new pictures revealed exclusive !
- Katharina has returned home

I'm in feisty mood today

By the way

I don't know whats going on !
What's happening?
Wake up man. It's perfectly clear that a peremptory attempt is being made to prepare a basis for agreement to establish a position from which the whole question can be surveyed with a view to subsequent analysis of any outstanding points at issue.

Once the whole question and the various complications are understood, they can be dealt with - provided that, at this stage, something isn't done so late that it's too late to do anything.

Of course, it can never be repeated too often that the more it is repeated, the less benefit will derive from the repetition.

I have no doubt that we shall see the outcome in less than 23% of the average lifespan of a caribou.
It all makes perfetc sense. I don't know why I didn't think of that.
Maybe it's because I don't know what's going on.
What's happening.?

I don't know the average life of a caribou either. so 23% of it still means I don't know what is going on.

But I like the idea of the new future strategy for St Mary's being known as the Caribou Plan. It has a nicer ring to it than the Five Year Plan, more touchy feely. Let today be known as the day the Caribou Plan was born.
Keep me posted on progress with the 23%
Just so you can be absolutely clear Alicesdad, I'm working on the basis of the so-called North American "Early Caribou" and not the Icelandic "Late Caribou". You may be confused because the latest of the "Early Caribous" do arrive at the about the same time as the earliest of the "Late Caribous". However, sometimes the earliest of the "Early Caribous" are actually dead by the time the latest of the "Late Caribous" arrive - so I have taken the average of the early and late arrivals of both the "Late" and the "Early" species.

I could be wrong by up to one minute and ninety seconds. I made the mistake of using two watches to time things and whilst one can always be sure of the time if you've only got one watch, you can never be completely sure if you've got two watches.

Nonetheless, I will consider it extremely nit-picky if you now start moaning about a mere 90 seconds. Three times that could disappear if the new Saints CEO took time out for an unscheduled pee during a highly strategic Saints board meeting.
Hope they were Swiss watches?
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Oh yes !! We also know that Katharina is 36. Stop the press for that piece of info ... Well done Echo, probably the only new fact that has emerged from these articles. Threads for later today .... - Katharina remains silent on Cortese departure - Katharina DOES like football - Katharina DOESN'T like football - Katharina, the true story - Katharina spotted at airport - Katharina, new pictures revealed exclusive ! - Katharina has returned home I'm in feisty mood today By the way I don't know whats going on ! What's happening?[/p][/quote]Wake up man. It's perfectly clear that a peremptory attempt is being made to prepare a basis for agreement to establish a position from which the whole question can be surveyed with a view to subsequent analysis of any outstanding points at issue. Once the whole question and the various complications are understood, they can be dealt with - provided that, at this stage, something isn't done so late that it's too late to do anything. Of course, it can never be repeated too often that the more it is repeated, the less benefit will derive from the repetition. I have no doubt that we shall see the outcome in less than 23% of the average lifespan of a caribou.[/p][/quote]It all makes perfetc sense. I don't know why I didn't think of that. Maybe it's because I don't know what's going on. What's happening.? I don't know the average life of a caribou either. so 23% of it still means I don't know what is going on. But I like the idea of the new future strategy for St Mary's being known as the Caribou Plan. It has a nicer ring to it than the Five Year Plan, more touchy feely. Let today be known as the day the Caribou Plan was born. Keep me posted on progress with the 23%[/p][/quote]Just so you can be absolutely clear Alicesdad, I'm working on the basis of the so-called North American "Early Caribou" and not the Icelandic "Late Caribou". You may be confused because the latest of the "Early Caribous" do arrive at the about the same time as the earliest of the "Late Caribous". However, sometimes the earliest of the "Early Caribous" are actually dead by the time the latest of the "Late Caribous" arrive - so I have taken the average of the early and late arrivals of both the "Late" and the "Early" species. I could be wrong by up to one minute and ninety seconds. I made the mistake of using two watches to time things and whilst one can always be sure of the time if you've only got one watch, you can never be completely sure if you've got two watches. Nonetheless, I will consider it extremely nit-picky if you now start moaning about a mere 90 seconds. Three times that could disappear if the new Saints CEO took time out for an unscheduled pee during a highly strategic Saints board meeting.[/p][/quote]Hope they were Swiss watches? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

12:14pm Tue 21 Jan 14

milton road says...

John Williamson may be getting on but he isn't being employed as manager as Dalgleish was at Liverpool. If he is chosen then he is chairman, a little different.
Williamson was gone before the Venkeys came from Blackburn. No one really knows yet who the chairman will be, but why slag the guy off, he has a reasonable track record? If KL has interviewed several she will hopefully make the right choice.
The guy who comes will head a board the same as at any other club, Saints situation with NC was unusual. I wish the Don had stayed as do most of us but he didn't.
Yet the chairman that comes in will be the one that directs the way the club goes. With someone like Williamson if chosen we may have a better chance of at least striving towards the dream because as a fan he will be more up and more interested on our achieving success.
It depends what the ideal is now, to chase the dream or for the owner to maximise profit. If its to maximise profit, then being mid table sell big players why would she need to sell? cos there would be good profit return each year with tv returns,. AT the end of the day if there is no passion for the club then the passion is in the best return, which is common sense. it really depends if she wishes to push her father's dream and none of us really know the answer to that.
I thought NC was great he had a path and never wavered and never let anyone or anything get in the way. Harsh at times yes but committed undoubtedly and the best thing this club has probably ever seen and I doubt anyone will lead us like he did.
John Williamson may be getting on but he isn't being employed as manager as Dalgleish was at Liverpool. If he is chosen then he is chairman, a little different. Williamson was gone before the Venkeys came from Blackburn. No one really knows yet who the chairman will be, but why slag the guy off, he has a reasonable track record? If KL has interviewed several she will hopefully make the right choice. The guy who comes will head a board the same as at any other club, Saints situation with NC was unusual. I wish the Don had stayed as do most of us but he didn't. Yet the chairman that comes in will be the one that directs the way the club goes. With someone like Williamson if chosen we may have a better chance of at least striving towards the dream because as a fan he will be more up and more interested on our achieving success. It depends what the ideal is now, to chase the dream or for the owner to maximise profit. If its to maximise profit, then being mid table sell big players why would she need to sell? cos there would be good profit return each year with tv returns,. AT the end of the day if there is no passion for the club then the passion is in the best return, which is common sense. it really depends if she wishes to push her father's dream and none of us really know the answer to that. I thought NC was great he had a path and never wavered and never let anyone or anything get in the way. Harsh at times yes but committed undoubtedly and the best thing this club has probably ever seen and I doubt anyone will lead us like he did. milton road
  • Score: -4

12:22pm Tue 21 Jan 14

1944Saint says...

One important point seems to be overlooked. Where is NC NOW. Still at Chilworth? That might have some implication. Or has he done a Lord Lucan?
One important point seems to be overlooked. Where is NC NOW. Still at Chilworth? That might have some implication. Or has he done a Lord Lucan? 1944Saint
  • Score: 2

12:29pm Tue 21 Jan 14

miltonarcher says...

Clever Dick wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.
I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee![/p][/quote]Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.[/p][/quote]I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out. miltonarcher
  • Score: 2

12:30pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Beer Monster says...

Clever Dick wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.
And she took away my milk :(
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee![/p][/quote]Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.[/p][/quote]And she took away my milk :( Beer Monster
  • Score: -2

12:30pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I have a moustache, but shaving it off won't make me any more popular on here, so it's staying for now. Try it I think they will grow on you.
Why doesn't that surprise me?

Ive never heard of this Williams bloke. Was he the one who oversaw the disastrous sale to the Venky's or had he already left?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I have a moustache, but shaving it off won't make me any more popular on here, so it's staying for now. Try it I think they will grow on you.[/p][/quote]Why doesn't that surprise me? Ive never heard of this Williams bloke. Was he the one who oversaw the disastrous sale to the Venky's or had he already left? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -1

12:34pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Beer Monster says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.
I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.
And the railways. We used to have a passenger train on the waterside and Bournemouth had a station just down from Dean Court, amongst others.

Politicians fall under Sturgeon's Law; 99% of everything is cr@p
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee![/p][/quote]Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.[/p][/quote]I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.[/p][/quote]And the railways. We used to have a passenger train on the waterside and Bournemouth had a station just down from Dean Court, amongst others. Politicians fall under Sturgeon's Law; 99% of everything is cr@p Beer Monster
  • Score: 0

12:35pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.
I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.
Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up.

A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days…..
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee![/p][/quote]Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.[/p][/quote]I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.[/p][/quote]Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up. A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days….. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

12:38pm Tue 21 Jan 14

JOHN47DEAR says...

Excellent, now I see her organizing the building of a brand new 50,000 seat stadium at Stoneham, where it should have been in the first place, Hampshire County Council can hardly object now after whats been built at the cricket club can they, every time I drive past there I feel anger that it wasn't allowed to be built there, what an ideal spot, motorway link, train station, airport metres away, ample room for parking etc etc, the list goes on, sure the site it's on at the moment would be worth a few quid. But then sadly, I wake up, just another dream, or is it!!!!!
Excellent, now I see her organizing the building of a brand new 50,000 seat stadium at Stoneham, where it should have been in the first place, Hampshire County Council can hardly object now after whats been built at the cricket club can they, every time I drive past there I feel anger that it wasn't allowed to be built there, what an ideal spot, motorway link, train station, airport metres away, ample room for parking etc etc, the list goes on, sure the site it's on at the moment would be worth a few quid. But then sadly, I wake up, just another dream, or is it!!!!! JOHN47DEAR
  • Score: -1

12:58pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Sadoldgitte says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.
I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.
Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up.

A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days…..
The "Great Lady" also presided over the credit expolsion which went on to ruin this country. One person committees are fine if they get it right every time. There are plenty of people who think that she got very little right. Yes, this country was sick, but curing one ailment but giving the patient many more was hardly the best treatment was it? All we are now is a weak extension of the US. Of course management should be running businesses and not the unions - but in the process look at how much of our industry has gone abroad. We just now provide services and what happens when those services go abraod too? Thanks Maggie. I shall have to work until I die to pay off my mortgage but at least you have your legacy.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee![/p][/quote]Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.[/p][/quote]I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.[/p][/quote]Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up. A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days…..[/p][/quote]The "Great Lady" also presided over the credit expolsion which went on to ruin this country. One person committees are fine if they get it right every time. There are plenty of people who think that she got very little right. Yes, this country was sick, but curing one ailment but giving the patient many more was hardly the best treatment was it? All we are now is a weak extension of the US. Of course management should be running businesses and not the unions - but in the process look at how much of our industry has gone abroad. We just now provide services and what happens when those services go abraod too? Thanks Maggie. I shall have to work until I die to pay off my mortgage but at least you have your legacy. Sadoldgitte
  • Score: -4

1:04pm Tue 21 Jan 14

mbetts says...

JOHN47DEAR wrote:
Excellent, now I see her organizing the building of a brand new 50,000 seat stadium at Stoneham, where it should have been in the first place, Hampshire County Council can hardly object now after whats been built at the cricket club can they, every time I drive past there I feel anger that it wasn't allowed to be built there, what an ideal spot, motorway link, train station, airport metres away, ample room for parking etc etc, the list goes on, sure the site it's on at the moment would be worth a few quid. But then sadly, I wake up, just another dream, or is it!!!!!
St Mary's is ideal, walking distance to the city centre, train station, pubs and bars, Stoneham would be like Colchester's out of town monstrosity, nothing to do before or after the game we should develop where we are, up to 45k + build a multi story car park and a train station on the line behind the Northam stand.
[quote][p][bold]JOHN47DEAR[/bold] wrote: Excellent, now I see her organizing the building of a brand new 50,000 seat stadium at Stoneham, where it should have been in the first place, Hampshire County Council can hardly object now after whats been built at the cricket club can they, every time I drive past there I feel anger that it wasn't allowed to be built there, what an ideal spot, motorway link, train station, airport metres away, ample room for parking etc etc, the list goes on, sure the site it's on at the moment would be worth a few quid. But then sadly, I wake up, just another dream, or is it!!!!![/p][/quote]St Mary's is ideal, walking distance to the city centre, train station, pubs and bars, Stoneham would be like Colchester's out of town monstrosity, nothing to do before or after the game we should develop where we are, up to 45k + build a multi story car park and a train station on the line behind the Northam stand. mbetts
  • Score: 5

1:09pm Tue 21 Jan 14

milton road says...

Um Williamson was the man that took AS to Blackburn and was chairman when they went from small club to big club and won the league. Though they were not a big club for many years as Jack Walker health failed and the money stopped coming in.
The end of the day | don't care who comes in as long as they ensure that Poch and the players stay and look to push the club forward and upwards and not implement their own agenda.
There are delicate issues to sort out and we need someone who realizes how delicate they are and at this point a couple badly worded phrases or an attitude could see Poch and co gone, If he goes it seems likely his backroom team that came with him would go.
The one thing Williamson will be aware of is how delicate all this is. Like I said I don't care who comes in as chairman as long as they are a major plus for the club and don't come in with an attitude that will destroy everything NC was building.
Is it Purslow who was a Liverpool chairman who was said to be in the frame. I asked Liverpool fans on another blog what he was like the response was not very encouraging.
Um Williamson was the man that took AS to Blackburn and was chairman when they went from small club to big club and won the league. Though they were not a big club for many years as Jack Walker health failed and the money stopped coming in. The end of the day | don't care who comes in as long as they ensure that Poch and the players stay and look to push the club forward and upwards and not implement their own agenda. There are delicate issues to sort out and we need someone who realizes how delicate they are and at this point a couple badly worded phrases or an attitude could see Poch and co gone, If he goes it seems likely his backroom team that came with him would go. The one thing Williamson will be aware of is how delicate all this is. Like I said I don't care who comes in as chairman as long as they are a major plus for the club and don't come in with an attitude that will destroy everything NC was building. Is it Purslow who was a Liverpool chairman who was said to be in the frame. I asked Liverpool fans on another blog what he was like the response was not very encouraging. milton road
  • Score: -3

1:30pm Tue 21 Jan 14

ctsaint says...

Clever Dick wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.
LOL it's interesting that's how you view her.... She took us out of the dark ages and set us on the path to becoming globally competitive and relevant. I know it was painful for many families that lost their income at the time but she's exactly what Europe needs today and Cortese is the same as her and therefor in my book a good egg !
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee![/p][/quote]Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.[/p][/quote]LOL it's interesting that's how you view her.... She took us out of the dark ages and set us on the path to becoming globally competitive and relevant. I know it was painful for many families that lost their income at the time but she's exactly what Europe needs today and Cortese is the same as her and therefor in my book a good egg ! ctsaint
  • Score: 4

1:31pm Tue 21 Jan 14

St Retford says...

Can we please not get distracted from the task in hand by a discussion about the merits of Mrs Thatcher? I think we can all agree that for all her positive and negative points she was, at the end of the day, the spawn of Satan sent down to destroy planet earth, so let's just leave it at that, yeah?
Can we please not get distracted from the task in hand by a discussion about the merits of Mrs Thatcher? I think we can all agree that for all her positive and negative points she was, at the end of the day, the spawn of Satan sent down to destroy planet earth, so let's just leave it at that, yeah? St Retford
  • Score: 3

1:33pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Sadoldgitte wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.
I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.
Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up.

A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days…..
The "Great Lady" also presided over the credit expolsion which went on to ruin this country. One person committees are fine if they get it right every time. There are plenty of people who think that she got very little right. Yes, this country was sick, but curing one ailment but giving the patient many more was hardly the best treatment was it? All we are now is a weak extension of the US. Of course management should be running businesses and not the unions - but in the process look at how much of our industry has gone abroad. We just now provide services and what happens when those services go abraod too? Thanks Maggie. I shall have to work until I die to pay off my mortgage but at least you have your legacy.
Access to capital is a massive benefit, I couldn't have built the business I have without it. Being able to borrow doesn't mean to say you should, it depends what you plan to spend it on.

Do you know we are the tenth biggest exporter in the world?

Anyway, Cortese was 'not for turning' and I like that provided the plan is working of course, and there can be absolutely no doubt that so far it was working exceptionally well!
[quote][p][bold]Sadoldgitte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee![/p][/quote]Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.[/p][/quote]I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.[/p][/quote]Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up. A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days…..[/p][/quote]The "Great Lady" also presided over the credit expolsion which went on to ruin this country. One person committees are fine if they get it right every time. There are plenty of people who think that she got very little right. Yes, this country was sick, but curing one ailment but giving the patient many more was hardly the best treatment was it? All we are now is a weak extension of the US. Of course management should be running businesses and not the unions - but in the process look at how much of our industry has gone abroad. We just now provide services and what happens when those services go abraod too? Thanks Maggie. I shall have to work until I die to pay off my mortgage but at least you have your legacy.[/p][/quote]Access to capital is a massive benefit, I couldn't have built the business I have without it. Being able to borrow doesn't mean to say you should, it depends what you plan to spend it on. Do you know we are the tenth biggest exporter in the world? Anyway, Cortese was 'not for turning' and I like that provided the plan is working of course, and there can be absolutely no doubt that so far it was working exceptionally well! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

1:39pm Tue 21 Jan 14

NewForestStu says...

Well, having allowed the dust to settle before making any rash comments, here are my thoughts now the dust has settled a bit.

Firstly, i am aghast at some of the comments aimed at MLT over the last week following his views on the situation. How a number of fans can forget that this guy single handedly kept Saints in the PL for so long is beyond me. Matt is an absolute legend as far as i am concerned. That said and to counter, Matt should keep his thoughts somewhat to himself. It is well publicised that MLT and NC did not see eye to eye. On that side of things Matt has looked a bit of a fool as what Cortese achieved was remarkable (albeit with someone elses money.

Next (only my personal view) but i think to coin a phrase from the Apollo film......'we have just lost the moon'. To me having now reflected a bit, i think basically Saints have now lost European football. Easy to suggest i accept, however looking at the names currently banded about to take over from NC we are looking for a safe pair of hands, not a bad thing but i think most of us were excited and actually looking forward to gatecrashing the top end of the table in future.

Whilst i fully appreciate NC had total control, this guy was the driving force behind the way we were looking to go and the ethos behind the 'Southampton Way'. Flipside of this however, is that i am extremely thankful to the Liebherrs for digging this club out of the do-do when we could have easily gone to the wall. One things for sure, the club is a million miles better off now than it was with the old regime under Rupert Lowe.

I think as others may have pointed out, Miss Liebherr is not looking to sell the club but on the other side would not be too bothered about the push to Europe. Whilst talk of appointing Williamson is good (in the sense of being a Saints fan), i think i, like a few others were really hoping to see the Don back. I know Matty banged on about information coming out of the club under NC as being minimal, for me this was absolutley spot on. Under Lowe we couldn't get his ugly mug away from the TV. NC was very shrewd and as such the fans only ever disregarded rumours until facts were actually forthcoming from the club.

Where from here? As a Saints fan through and through, we still have a club and so long as we do not sell any of the youth (unless silly money bids) i think that is now all we can hope for. I look forward to being proved wrong and to see us maintain our push to the upper end of the table however at the back of my mind i think we now have to be realistic that we will simply consolidate ourselves as a mid table PL club. The only hope is that Poch stays on and does the driving that NC would have been doing. All in all, not all bad but not that exciting either!!

Whatever happens, i for one am grateful to Matty for his football years at the club (but please engage the brain Matty when talking business as Cortese achieved what you never would have in my opnion), Marcus Liebherr, nothing more to say, MoPo for bringing a great style of football to the club, the Don for doing what he said he would and finally KL for hopefully keeping the club on a sound footing.

There.....if i have bored anyone, apologies......lets just hope the dream is still alive and we dont end up as a boring mid table team.
Well, having allowed the dust to settle before making any rash comments, here are my thoughts now the dust has settled a bit. Firstly, i am aghast at some of the comments aimed at MLT over the last week following his views on the situation. How a number of fans can forget that this guy single handedly kept Saints in the PL for so long is beyond me. Matt is an absolute legend as far as i am concerned. That said and to counter, Matt should keep his thoughts somewhat to himself. It is well publicised that MLT and NC did not see eye to eye. On that side of things Matt has looked a bit of a fool as what Cortese achieved was remarkable (albeit with someone elses money. Next (only my personal view) but i think to coin a phrase from the Apollo film......'we have just lost the moon'. To me having now reflected a bit, i think basically Saints have now lost European football. Easy to suggest i accept, however looking at the names currently banded about to take over from NC we are looking for a safe pair of hands, not a bad thing but i think most of us were excited and actually looking forward to gatecrashing the top end of the table in future. Whilst i fully appreciate NC had total control, this guy was the driving force behind the way we were looking to go and the ethos behind the 'Southampton Way'. Flipside of this however, is that i am extremely thankful to the Liebherrs for digging this club out of the do-do when we could have easily gone to the wall. One things for sure, the club is a million miles better off now than it was with the old regime under Rupert Lowe. I think as others may have pointed out, Miss Liebherr is not looking to sell the club but on the other side would not be too bothered about the push to Europe. Whilst talk of appointing Williamson is good (in the sense of being a Saints fan), i think i, like a few others were really hoping to see the Don back. I know Matty banged on about information coming out of the club under NC as being minimal, for me this was absolutley spot on. Under Lowe we couldn't get his ugly mug away from the TV. NC was very shrewd and as such the fans only ever disregarded rumours until facts were actually forthcoming from the club. Where from here? As a Saints fan through and through, we still have a club and so long as we do not sell any of the youth (unless silly money bids) i think that is now all we can hope for. I look forward to being proved wrong and to see us maintain our push to the upper end of the table however at the back of my mind i think we now have to be realistic that we will simply consolidate ourselves as a mid table PL club. The only hope is that Poch stays on and does the driving that NC would have been doing. All in all, not all bad but not that exciting either!! Whatever happens, i for one am grateful to Matty for his football years at the club (but please engage the brain Matty when talking business as Cortese achieved what you never would have in my opnion), Marcus Liebherr, nothing more to say, MoPo for bringing a great style of football to the club, the Don for doing what he said he would and finally KL for hopefully keeping the club on a sound footing. There.....if i have bored anyone, apologies......lets just hope the dream is still alive and we dont end up as a boring mid table team. NewForestStu
  • Score: 3

1:39pm Tue 21 Jan 14

ctsaint says...

Sadoldgitte wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.
I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.
Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up.

A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days…..
The "Great Lady" also presided over the credit expolsion which went on to ruin this country. One person committees are fine if they get it right every time. There are plenty of people who think that she got very little right. Yes, this country was sick, but curing one ailment but giving the patient many more was hardly the best treatment was it? All we are now is a weak extension of the US. Of course management should be running businesses and not the unions - but in the process look at how much of our industry has gone abroad. We just now provide services and what happens when those services go abraod too? Thanks Maggie. I shall have to work until I die to pay off my mortgage but at least you have your legacy.
Watch the Top gear episode where they line up toe to tail everything produced and exports from the UK , you may be surprised.
The credit bubble inflated due to incompetent fiscal control, management and investment by Tony the twxt and his cronies . The Iron Lady did far more long term good than the short term necessary and painful harm she inflicted on uneconomic archaic and irrelevant dieing industries... Similar painful steps to ridding us of program sellers and cancelling 1000VIP freebies...
[quote][p][bold]Sadoldgitte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee![/p][/quote]Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.[/p][/quote]I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.[/p][/quote]Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up. A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days…..[/p][/quote]The "Great Lady" also presided over the credit expolsion which went on to ruin this country. One person committees are fine if they get it right every time. There are plenty of people who think that she got very little right. Yes, this country was sick, but curing one ailment but giving the patient many more was hardly the best treatment was it? All we are now is a weak extension of the US. Of course management should be running businesses and not the unions - but in the process look at how much of our industry has gone abroad. We just now provide services and what happens when those services go abraod too? Thanks Maggie. I shall have to work until I die to pay off my mortgage but at least you have your legacy.[/p][/quote]Watch the Top gear episode where they line up toe to tail everything produced and exports from the UK , you may be surprised. The credit bubble inflated due to incompetent fiscal control, management and investment by Tony the twxt and his cronies . The Iron Lady did far more long term good than the short term necessary and painful harm she inflicted on uneconomic archaic and irrelevant dieing industries... Similar painful steps to ridding us of program sellers and cancelling 1000VIP freebies... ctsaint
  • Score: 4

1:42pm Tue 21 Jan 14

notaclue says...

JohnItaly wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
Well that committee should be very proud of itself - camels are great!!!!
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee![/p][/quote]Well that committee should be very proud of itself - camels are great!!!! notaclue
  • Score: 4

1:55pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Confucious says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.
I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.
Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up.

A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days…..
Agreed. Top woman - but to be honest, I didn't like those big calico knickers she used to wear and she also had a bit of a moustache.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee![/p][/quote]Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.[/p][/quote]I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.[/p][/quote]Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up. A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days…..[/p][/quote]Agreed. Top woman - but to be honest, I didn't like those big calico knickers she used to wear and she also had a bit of a moustache. Confucious
  • Score: 3

1:56pm Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Alicesdad wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
franiow wrote:
Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.
You always talk complete sense Fran.
The only surprises I suspect will the amount of money Mr Cortese spent on himself, his family for personal items and charged it to the Club, although many company do this its normally their company and therefore their money however we all know Mr Cortese didn't own the company.

I have a mate who works in the accounts department at SMS and he has confirmed Mr Cortese spending was outrageous.
Your mate needs to dish the dirt to the Daily Mirror, he would make a mint.
You have just published a comment about Mr Cortese's spending implying it was outrageous and possibly inappropriate . His legal advisors are already hunting down "your mate" as there aren't many in that dept so they wont be hard to find. Who needs enemies with friends like you?
I didn't, that was Outside of the Box, I am innocent I tell, innocent do you hear, mind you his mate might need a good brief if he grasses NC up.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franiow[/bold] wrote: Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.[/p][/quote]You always talk complete sense Fran.[/p][/quote]The only surprises I suspect will the amount of money Mr Cortese spent on himself, his family for personal items and charged it to the Club, although many company do this its normally their company and therefore their money however we all know Mr Cortese didn't own the company. I have a mate who works in the accounts department at SMS and he has confirmed Mr Cortese spending was outrageous.[/p][/quote]Your mate needs to dish the dirt to the Daily Mirror, he would make a mint.[/p][/quote]You have just published a comment about Mr Cortese's spending implying it was outrageous and possibly inappropriate . His legal advisors are already hunting down "your mate" as there aren't many in that dept so they wont be hard to find. Who needs enemies with friends like you?[/p][/quote]I didn't, that was Outside of the Box, I am innocent I tell, innocent do you hear, mind you his mate might need a good brief if he grasses NC up. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

1:59pm Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

milton road wrote:
Um Williamson was the man that took AS to Blackburn and was chairman when they went from small club to big club and won the league. Though they were not a big club for many years as Jack Walker health failed and the money stopped coming in.
The end of the day | don't care who comes in as long as they ensure that Poch and the players stay and look to push the club forward and upwards and not implement their own agenda.
There are delicate issues to sort out and we need someone who realizes how delicate they are and at this point a couple badly worded phrases or an attitude could see Poch and co gone, If he goes it seems likely his backroom team that came with him would go.
The one thing Williamson will be aware of is how delicate all this is. Like I said I don't care who comes in as chairman as long as they are a major plus for the club and don't come in with an attitude that will destroy everything NC was building.
Is it Purslow who was a Liverpool chairman who was said to be in the frame. I asked Liverpool fans on another blog what he was like the response was not very encouraging.
Williamson? "face palm"
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: Um Williamson was the man that took AS to Blackburn and was chairman when they went from small club to big club and won the league. Though they were not a big club for many years as Jack Walker health failed and the money stopped coming in. The end of the day | don't care who comes in as long as they ensure that Poch and the players stay and look to push the club forward and upwards and not implement their own agenda. There are delicate issues to sort out and we need someone who realizes how delicate they are and at this point a couple badly worded phrases or an attitude could see Poch and co gone, If he goes it seems likely his backroom team that came with him would go. The one thing Williamson will be aware of is how delicate all this is. Like I said I don't care who comes in as chairman as long as they are a major plus for the club and don't come in with an attitude that will destroy everything NC was building. Is it Purslow who was a Liverpool chairman who was said to be in the frame. I asked Liverpool fans on another blog what he was like the response was not very encouraging.[/p][/quote]Williamson? "face palm" OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

2:02pm Tue 21 Jan 14

lowe esteem says...

JOHN47DEAR wrote:
Excellent, now I see her organizing the building of a brand new 50,000 seat stadium at Stoneham, where it should have been in the first place, Hampshire County Council can hardly object now after whats been built at the cricket club can they, every time I drive past there I feel anger that it wasn't allowed to be built there, what an ideal spot, motorway link, train station, airport metres away, ample room for parking etc etc, the list goes on, sure the site it's on at the moment would be worth a few quid. But then sadly, I wake up, just another dream, or is it!!!!!
Red and White tinted spectacles off Mush.

Do you remember what the ground capacity was going to be?
Do you recall that it was potentially going to be a 'ground share' with other sports? What problems can you have had with the current location, parking and local hostelries and facilities? It's one of the best of the recent wave of ground developments. Go to Reading if you want sterile and 'convenient' in-out football near a motorway, why, they might even put a pub on the next junction for you.
[quote][p][bold]JOHN47DEAR[/bold] wrote: Excellent, now I see her organizing the building of a brand new 50,000 seat stadium at Stoneham, where it should have been in the first place, Hampshire County Council can hardly object now after whats been built at the cricket club can they, every time I drive past there I feel anger that it wasn't allowed to be built there, what an ideal spot, motorway link, train station, airport metres away, ample room for parking etc etc, the list goes on, sure the site it's on at the moment would be worth a few quid. But then sadly, I wake up, just another dream, or is it!!!!![/p][/quote]Red and White tinted spectacles off Mush. Do you remember what the ground capacity was going to be? Do you recall that it was potentially going to be a 'ground share' with other sports? What problems can you have had with the current location, parking and local hostelries and facilities? It's one of the best of the recent wave of ground developments. Go to Reading if you want sterile and 'convenient' in-out football near a motorway, why, they might even put a pub on the next junction for you. lowe esteem
  • Score: 3

2:04pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Alicesdad says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
franiow wrote:
Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.
You always talk complete sense Fran.
The only surprises I suspect will the amount of money Mr Cortese spent on himself, his family for personal items and charged it to the Club, although many company do this its normally their company and therefore their money however we all know Mr Cortese didn't own the company.

I have a mate who works in the accounts department at SMS and he has confirmed Mr Cortese spending was outrageous.
Your mate needs to dish the dirt to the Daily Mirror, he would make a mint.
You have just published a comment about Mr Cortese's spending implying it was outrageous and possibly inappropriate . His legal advisors are already hunting down "your mate" as there aren't many in that dept so they wont be hard to find. Who needs enemies with friends like you?
I didn't, that was Outside of the Box, I am innocent I tell, innocent do you hear, mind you his mate might need a good brief if he grasses NC up.
He wont need a brief, he will need an aqualung. NC knows.
Outsidethe Box, and his mate will be sleeping with the fishes very soon.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franiow[/bold] wrote: Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.[/p][/quote]You always talk complete sense Fran.[/p][/quote]The only surprises I suspect will the amount of money Mr Cortese spent on himself, his family for personal items and charged it to the Club, although many company do this its normally their company and therefore their money however we all know Mr Cortese didn't own the company. I have a mate who works in the accounts department at SMS and he has confirmed Mr Cortese spending was outrageous.[/p][/quote]Your mate needs to dish the dirt to the Daily Mirror, he would make a mint.[/p][/quote]You have just published a comment about Mr Cortese's spending implying it was outrageous and possibly inappropriate . His legal advisors are already hunting down "your mate" as there aren't many in that dept so they wont be hard to find. Who needs enemies with friends like you?[/p][/quote]I didn't, that was Outside of the Box, I am innocent I tell, innocent do you hear, mind you his mate might need a good brief if he grasses NC up.[/p][/quote]He wont need a brief, he will need an aqualung. NC knows. Outsidethe Box, and his mate will be sleeping with the fishes very soon. Alicesdad
  • Score: 0

2:05pm Tue 21 Jan 14

angus mc coatup says...

Without trying to sound too picky can we at least get the names right.

It's John Williams not Williamson
And it's Markus not Marcus.
Without trying to sound too picky can we at least get the names right. It's John Williams not Williamson And it's Markus not Marcus. angus mc coatup
  • Score: 5

2:07pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.
One of my favourite post cards (circa 1980) showed a picture of Our Lord in Leonardo's Last Supper mode. However, rather than the 12 disciples, around the table were sat 12 UN reps - all men, all in suits, all with their little flags in front of them and all arguing vehemently. Meanwhile, Jesus was sat, head in hands, thinking, 'what's the point?'

The caption below the picture read:

'For God so loved the world that he did not send a committee.'

That said, I do tend to lean towards the committee approach rather than going for a dictator. I guess it depends who the dictator is. For all his faults, Saints did alright by NC.

If Katharina could bring in Our Lord ......
Yes a dictatorship is fine if all the decisions are the right ones. So far ,for me, NC did nothing wrong. But one individual can never be right all of the time. Probably just a matter of time till he made a few gaffs. The problem with committees can be the lack of decision making. This can work both ways as well as change is not always for the good. And then again with one dominant person overpowering the weaker members we end up with a virtual dictatorship anyway. I think Katharina has every right to have an input into a club which she owns 100%. Who wouldn't?
Funny thing is, CD, I grew up in the 'Ampshire countryside where a 'dictator' was a potato shaped like a willy and a 'dictatorship' was a 'dictator' that Mum fried and served with fish on Fridays.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee![/p][/quote]Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.[/p][/quote]One of my favourite post cards (circa 1980) showed a picture of Our Lord in Leonardo's Last Supper mode. However, rather than the 12 disciples, around the table were sat 12 UN reps - all men, all in suits, all with their little flags in front of them and all arguing vehemently. Meanwhile, Jesus was sat, head in hands, thinking, 'what's the point?' The caption below the picture read: 'For God so loved the world that he did not send a committee.' That said, I do tend to lean towards the committee approach rather than going for a dictator. I guess it depends who the dictator is. For all his faults, Saints did alright by NC. If Katharina could bring in Our Lord ......[/p][/quote]Yes a dictatorship is fine if all the decisions are the right ones. So far ,for me, NC did nothing wrong. But one individual can never be right all of the time. Probably just a matter of time till he made a few gaffs. The problem with committees can be the lack of decision making. This can work both ways as well as change is not always for the good. And then again with one dominant person overpowering the weaker members we end up with a virtual dictatorship anyway. I think Katharina has every right to have an input into a club which she owns 100%. Who wouldn't?[/p][/quote]Funny thing is, CD, I grew up in the 'Ampshire countryside where a 'dictator' was a potato shaped like a willy and a 'dictatorship' was a 'dictator' that Mum fried and served with fish on Fridays. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 1

2:09pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Alicesdad says...

Caribou Plan Update:

I still don't know what's going on.
What's happening?
Caribou Plan Update: I still don't know what's going on. What's happening? Alicesdad
  • Score: -1

2:10pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
Without trying to sound too picky can we at least get the names right.

It's John Williams not Williamson
And it's Markus not Marcus.
You tell 'em Argus!
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: Without trying to sound too picky can we at least get the names right. It's John Williams not Williamson And it's Markus not Marcus.[/p][/quote]You tell 'em Argus! Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 3

2:12pm Tue 21 Jan 14

miltonarcher says...

lowe esteem wrote:
JOHN47DEAR wrote:
Excellent, now I see her organizing the building of a brand new 50,000 seat stadium at Stoneham, where it should have been in the first place, Hampshire County Council can hardly object now after whats been built at the cricket club can they, every time I drive past there I feel anger that it wasn't allowed to be built there, what an ideal spot, motorway link, train station, airport metres away, ample room for parking etc etc, the list goes on, sure the site it's on at the moment would be worth a few quid. But then sadly, I wake up, just another dream, or is it!!!!!
Red and White tinted spectacles off Mush.

Do you remember what the ground capacity was going to be?
Do you recall that it was potentially going to be a 'ground share' with other sports? What problems can you have had with the current location, parking and local hostelries and facilities? It's one of the best of the recent wave of ground developments. Go to Reading if you want sterile and 'convenient' in-out football near a motorway, why, they might even put a pub on the next junction for you.
How about a Stoneham Village. 50K Ground, the site incorporating hotels, pubs, bars,restaurants and car parking??? You must remember, that was the original vision.
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JOHN47DEAR[/bold] wrote: Excellent, now I see her organizing the building of a brand new 50,000 seat stadium at Stoneham, where it should have been in the first place, Hampshire County Council can hardly object now after whats been built at the cricket club can they, every time I drive past there I feel anger that it wasn't allowed to be built there, what an ideal spot, motorway link, train station, airport metres away, ample room for parking etc etc, the list goes on, sure the site it's on at the moment would be worth a few quid. But then sadly, I wake up, just another dream, or is it!!!!![/p][/quote]Red and White tinted spectacles off Mush. Do you remember what the ground capacity was going to be? Do you recall that it was potentially going to be a 'ground share' with other sports? What problems can you have had with the current location, parking and local hostelries and facilities? It's one of the best of the recent wave of ground developments. Go to Reading if you want sterile and 'convenient' in-out football near a motorway, why, they might even put a pub on the next junction for you.[/p][/quote]How about a Stoneham Village. 50K Ground, the site incorporating hotels, pubs, bars,restaurants and car parking??? You must remember, that was the original vision. miltonarcher
  • Score: 0

2:20pm Tue 21 Jan 14

ollysaint says...

ML sadly died, but NC was there to carry on with the ML ambitions.

While many praise NC for his drive and ambition, they fail to see or choose to ignore, his short comings. Possibly the most obvious being, he never put someone in place to continue the ML ambitions should the worse have happened to him.
ML sadly died, but NC was there to carry on with the ML ambitions. While many praise NC for his drive and ambition, they fail to see or choose to ignore, his short comings. Possibly the most obvious being, he never put someone in place to continue the ML ambitions should the worse have happened to him. ollysaint
  • Score: 1

2:20pm Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

JOHN47DEAR wrote:
Excellent, now I see her organizing the building of a brand new 50,000 seat stadium at Stoneham, where it should have been in the first place, Hampshire County Council can hardly object now after whats been built at the cricket club can they, every time I drive past there I feel anger that it wasn't allowed to be built there, what an ideal spot, motorway link, train station, airport metres away, ample room for parking etc etc, the list goes on, sure the site it's on at the moment would be worth a few quid. But then sadly, I wake up, just another dream, or is it!!!!!
Stoneham would be good for me, only a ten minute walk, and a few of my posting heroes on here could pop back for a bevy or two.
[quote][p][bold]JOHN47DEAR[/bold] wrote: Excellent, now I see her organizing the building of a brand new 50,000 seat stadium at Stoneham, where it should have been in the first place, Hampshire County Council can hardly object now after whats been built at the cricket club can they, every time I drive past there I feel anger that it wasn't allowed to be built there, what an ideal spot, motorway link, train station, airport metres away, ample room for parking etc etc, the list goes on, sure the site it's on at the moment would be worth a few quid. But then sadly, I wake up, just another dream, or is it!!!!![/p][/quote]Stoneham would be good for me, only a ten minute walk, and a few of my posting heroes on here could pop back for a bevy or two. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

2:22pm Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Without trying to sound too picky can we at least get the names right.

It's John Williams not Williamson
And it's Markus not Marcus.
You tell 'em Argus!
If he don't I will.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: Without trying to sound too picky can we at least get the names right. It's John Williams not Williamson And it's Markus not Marcus.[/p][/quote]You tell 'em Argus![/p][/quote]If he don't I will. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

2:24pm Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Alicesdad wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
franiow wrote:
Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.
You always talk complete sense Fran.
The only surprises I suspect will the amount of money Mr Cortese spent on himself, his family for personal items and charged it to the Club, although many company do this its normally their company and therefore their money however we all know Mr Cortese didn't own the company.

I have a mate who works in the accounts department at SMS and he has confirmed Mr Cortese spending was outrageous.
Your mate needs to dish the dirt to the Daily Mirror, he would make a mint.
You have just published a comment about Mr Cortese's spending implying it was outrageous and possibly inappropriate . His legal advisors are already hunting down "your mate" as there aren't many in that dept so they wont be hard to find. Who needs enemies with friends like you?
I didn't, that was Outside of the Box, I am innocent I tell, innocent do you hear, mind you his mate might need a good brief if he grasses NC up.
He wont need a brief, he will need an aqualung. NC knows.
Outsidethe Box, and his mate will be sleeping with the fishes very soon.
The old Ezekiel 21 - 31 ploy eh?
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franiow[/bold] wrote: Can't blame anyone wanting direct involvement with a 100+ mill asset. No reason to think so, but hope no nasty surprises in the books. NC's dreams may not have been achievable anyway...would settle for a stable and successful club for now.[/p][/quote]You always talk complete sense Fran.[/p][/quote]The only surprises I suspect will the amount of money Mr Cortese spent on himself, his family for personal items and charged it to the Club, although many company do this its normally their company and therefore their money however we all know Mr Cortese didn't own the company. I have a mate who works in the accounts department at SMS and he has confirmed Mr Cortese spending was outrageous.[/p][/quote]Your mate needs to dish the dirt to the Daily Mirror, he would make a mint.[/p][/quote]You have just published a comment about Mr Cortese's spending implying it was outrageous and possibly inappropriate . His legal advisors are already hunting down "your mate" as there aren't many in that dept so they wont be hard to find. Who needs enemies with friends like you?[/p][/quote]I didn't, that was Outside of the Box, I am innocent I tell, innocent do you hear, mind you his mate might need a good brief if he grasses NC up.[/p][/quote]He wont need a brief, he will need an aqualung. NC knows. Outsidethe Box, and his mate will be sleeping with the fishes very soon.[/p][/quote]The old Ezekiel 21 - 31 ploy eh? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

2:27pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Caribou Plan Update:

I still don't know what's going on.
What's happening?
It depends which poster you trust. When it comes to Katharina, her regularly mentioned lookalikes Katherine, Catherine, Kathryn and Ivan Katalinić (who would look more like Katharina and have a better chance of getting a place on the board if he shaved his mo off), Markus, his lookalike Marcus, Nicola Cortese, his lookalikes Nicolas Cortese and Nicola Cortasey, John Williams (the Totton one), John Williams (the guitarist), John Williams (the film-score writer), John Williamson, Mr Wang (the right one), Mr Wang (the wrong one) and, finally, Mr Wang the wrong one who people think is the right one, everyone thinks they know the facts, but, in fact, no one knows fack all!

Suits me. Little I can do about it but support the club and, should I have genuine concerns, voice my concerns.

I predict a (whole lot of) quiet!
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Caribou Plan Update: I still don't know what's going on. What's happening?[/p][/quote]It depends which poster you trust. When it comes to Katharina, her regularly mentioned lookalikes Katherine, Catherine, Kathryn and Ivan Katalinić (who would look more like Katharina and have a better chance of getting a place on the board if he shaved his mo off), Markus, his lookalike Marcus, Nicola Cortese, his lookalikes Nicolas Cortese and Nicola Cortasey, John Williams (the Totton one), John Williams (the guitarist), John Williams (the film-score writer), John Williamson, Mr Wang (the right one), Mr Wang (the wrong one) and, finally, Mr Wang the wrong one who people think is the right one, everyone thinks they know the facts, but, in fact, no one knows fack all! Suits me. Little I can do about it but support the club and, should I have genuine concerns, voice my concerns. I predict a (whole lot of) quiet! Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 3

2:28pm Tue 21 Jan 14

lowe esteem says...

In the short term, Saints fans have nothing to moan about as far as the way the club is structured, so should continue to support the club and the progress it is making.
This will manifest in many ways, but one of the most disturbing things I have read on these threads that needs immediate attention is how some young people within the city limits have been allowed to follow other teams. This is appalling parental negligence on a grand scale, so shame on you bad parents. Whilst I am neither advocating capital or corporal punishment, I do believe there should be more control in this matter, and the imminent Cup Tie presents an economical treat where club and fan can do so much more to encourage the future generations.
As an 'Out of Towner' who's been following since the 60's I can tell you that most of the nippers that I used to come over to The Dell with, have now evolved into responsible parents who have educated and guided their offspring towards the St Mary's turnstiles. (Is a 'gentle' threat of a being put on an 'Eastbound' bus or train considered child cruelty?)
The bonds should be even stronger the nearer the epicentre of this loyalty, so I have followed those recent stories with incredulity.

Anyway, sorry we haven't welcomed you directly to our wonderful club and city before Katharina, we are sure you already have more than a little understanding of this family folklore that always prevails. Keep up the good work.
In the short term, Saints fans have nothing to moan about as far as the way the club is structured, so should continue to support the club and the progress it is making. This will manifest in many ways, but one of the most disturbing things I have read on these threads that needs immediate attention is how some young people within the city limits have been allowed to follow other teams. This is appalling parental negligence on a grand scale, so shame on you bad parents. Whilst I am neither advocating capital or corporal punishment, I do believe there should be more control in this matter, and the imminent Cup Tie presents an economical treat where club and fan can do so much more to encourage the future generations. As an 'Out of Towner' who's been following since the 60's I can tell you that most of the nippers that I used to come over to The Dell with, have now evolved into responsible parents who have educated and guided their offspring towards the St Mary's turnstiles. (Is a 'gentle' threat of a being put on an 'Eastbound' bus or train considered child cruelty?) The bonds should be even stronger the nearer the epicentre of this loyalty, so I have followed those recent stories with incredulity. Anyway, sorry we haven't welcomed you directly to our wonderful club and city before Katharina, we are sure you already have more than a little understanding of this family folklore that always prevails. Keep up the good work. lowe esteem
  • Score: 3

2:29pm Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
Without trying to sound too picky can we at least get the names right.

It's John Williams not Williamson
And it's Markus not Marcus.
Welcome as an Honourary Member of the Spelling and Grammar Police, we welcome you to the ranks, Slugger is our Sergeant, the rest of us are just rankers, at least I think that is what he said.
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: Without trying to sound too picky can we at least get the names right. It's John Williams not Williamson And it's Markus not Marcus.[/p][/quote]Welcome as an Honourary Member of the Spelling and Grammar Police, we welcome you to the ranks, Slugger is our Sergeant, the rest of us are just rankers, at least I think that is what he said. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 7

2:31pm Tue 21 Jan 14

angus mc coatup says...

Some geezer called Ralph Krueger has been recruited to the board.
He was apparently an ice hockey player/coach.

A bit of a motivational speaker as well I hear.
looks like Katharina in for the long haul
Some geezer called Ralph Krueger has been recruited to the board. He was apparently an ice hockey player/coach. A bit of a motivational speaker as well I hear. looks like Katharina in for the long haul angus mc coatup
  • Score: 0

2:33pm Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Confucious wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.
I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.
Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up.

A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days…..
Agreed. Top woman - but to be honest, I didn't like those big calico knickers she used to wear and she also had a bit of a moustache.
Best kind of Tory is history.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee![/p][/quote]Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.[/p][/quote]I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.[/p][/quote]Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up. A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days…..[/p][/quote]Agreed. Top woman - but to be honest, I didn't like those big calico knickers she used to wear and she also had a bit of a moustache.[/p][/quote]Best kind of Tory is history. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

2:36pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
Some geezer called Ralph Krueger has been recruited to the board.
He was apparently an ice hockey player/coach.

A bit of a motivational speaker as well I hear.
looks like Katharina in for the long haul
Wasn't he The Doors' guitarist?
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: Some geezer called Ralph Krueger has been recruited to the board. He was apparently an ice hockey player/coach. A bit of a motivational speaker as well I hear. looks like Katharina in for the long haul[/p][/quote]Wasn't he The Doors' guitarist? Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 1

2:38pm Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Pity we haven't got an Ice Rink, we could see the return of the Vikings and this guy could have a second job.
Pity we haven't got an Ice Rink, we could see the return of the Vikings and this guy could have a second job. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

2:41pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Blackknight says...

Looks like Katharina Liebherr is going about putting a formal board structure in place for the Saints in a totally professional way. Having a potential wide range of expertise and experience on the Saints board can only be beneficial for the clubs long term health and development.

Let's just hope she refrains from appointing the dreaded director of football.

On ward and upward COYR.
Looks like Katharina Liebherr is going about putting a formal board structure in place for the Saints in a totally professional way. Having a potential wide range of expertise and experience on the Saints board can only be beneficial for the clubs long term health and development. Let's just hope she refrains from appointing the dreaded director of football. On ward and upward COYR. Blackknight
  • Score: 3

2:44pm Tue 21 Jan 14

angus mc coatup says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Some geezer called Ralph Krueger has been recruited to the board.
He was apparently an ice hockey player/coach.

A bit of a motivational speaker as well I hear.
looks like Katharina in for the long haul
Wasn't he The Doors' guitarist?
Dunno!
But his brother was a nightmare on elm street.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: Some geezer called Ralph Krueger has been recruited to the board. He was apparently an ice hockey player/coach. A bit of a motivational speaker as well I hear. looks like Katharina in for the long haul[/p][/quote]Wasn't he The Doors' guitarist?[/p][/quote]Dunno! But his brother was a nightmare on elm street. angus mc coatup
  • Score: 3

2:44pm Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Some geezer called Ralph Krueger has been recruited to the board.
He was apparently an ice hockey player/coach.

A bit of a motivational speaker as well I hear.
looks like Katharina in for the long haul
Wasn't he The Doors' guitarist?
That's Robby Krieger, close but no cigar.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: Some geezer called Ralph Krueger has been recruited to the board. He was apparently an ice hockey player/coach. A bit of a motivational speaker as well I hear. looks like Katharina in for the long haul[/p][/quote]Wasn't he The Doors' guitarist?[/p][/quote]That's Robby Krieger, close but no cigar. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

2:45pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Sadoldgitte says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Sadoldgitte wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.
I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.
Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up.

A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days…..
The "Great Lady" also presided over the credit expolsion which went on to ruin this country. One person committees are fine if they get it right every time. There are plenty of people who think that she got very little right. Yes, this country was sick, but curing one ailment but giving the patient many more was hardly the best treatment was it? All we are now is a weak extension of the US. Of course management should be running businesses and not the unions - but in the process look at how much of our industry has gone abroad. We just now provide services and what happens when those services go abraod too? Thanks Maggie. I shall have to work until I die to pay off my mortgage but at least you have your legacy.
Access to capital is a massive benefit, I couldn't have built the business I have without it. Being able to borrow doesn't mean to say you should, it depends what you plan to spend it on.

Do you know we are the tenth biggest exporter in the world?

Anyway, Cortese was 'not for turning' and I like that provided the plan is working of course, and there can be absolutely no doubt that so far it was working exceptionally well!
You will find many people who disgree with you but that is fine. Fortunately she isnt here anymore although millions still have to live with legacy. Also fortunately Cortese isnt here anymore so hopefully the club will be run in the way that the people who stumped up the cash in the first place want it to be run now.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sadoldgitte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee![/p][/quote]Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.[/p][/quote]I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.[/p][/quote]Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up. A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days…..[/p][/quote]The "Great Lady" also presided over the credit expolsion which went on to ruin this country. One person committees are fine if they get it right every time. There are plenty of people who think that she got very little right. Yes, this country was sick, but curing one ailment but giving the patient many more was hardly the best treatment was it? All we are now is a weak extension of the US. Of course management should be running businesses and not the unions - but in the process look at how much of our industry has gone abroad. We just now provide services and what happens when those services go abraod too? Thanks Maggie. I shall have to work until I die to pay off my mortgage but at least you have your legacy.[/p][/quote]Access to capital is a massive benefit, I couldn't have built the business I have without it. Being able to borrow doesn't mean to say you should, it depends what you plan to spend it on. Do you know we are the tenth biggest exporter in the world? Anyway, Cortese was 'not for turning' and I like that provided the plan is working of course, and there can be absolutely no doubt that so far it was working exceptionally well![/p][/quote]You will find many people who disgree with you but that is fine. Fortunately she isnt here anymore although millions still have to live with legacy. Also fortunately Cortese isnt here anymore so hopefully the club will be run in the way that the people who stumped up the cash in the first place want it to be run now. Sadoldgitte
  • Score: 2

2:46pm Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Who next? Jamie Oliver Director of Catering?
Who next? Jamie Oliver Director of Catering? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

2:56pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Confucious wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.
I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.
Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up.

A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days…..
Agreed. Top woman - but to be honest, I didn't like those big calico knickers she used to wear and she also had a bit of a moustache.
I'd have had a go on her to be honest - obviously back in the day and not now….
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee![/p][/quote]Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.[/p][/quote]I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.[/p][/quote]Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up. A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days…..[/p][/quote]Agreed. Top woman - but to be honest, I didn't like those big calico knickers she used to wear and she also had a bit of a moustache.[/p][/quote]I'd have had a go on her to be honest - obviously back in the day and not now…. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

2:56pm Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Dejan reported to be out for 3 - 4 weeks, could have been worse, should be refreshed for the end of season run in.
Dejan reported to be out for 3 - 4 weeks, could have been worse, should be refreshed for the end of season run in. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

2:59pm Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Blackknight wrote:
Looks like Katharina Liebherr is going about putting a formal board structure in place for the Saints in a totally professional way. Having a potential wide range of expertise and experience on the Saints board can only be beneficial for the clubs long term health and development.

Let's just hope she refrains from appointing the dreaded director of football.

On ward and upward COYR.
I guess the nearest to that is Les Reed, Head of Football Development.
[quote][p][bold]Blackknight[/bold] wrote: Looks like Katharina Liebherr is going about putting a formal board structure in place for the Saints in a totally professional way. Having a potential wide range of expertise and experience on the Saints board can only be beneficial for the clubs long term health and development. Let's just hope she refrains from appointing the dreaded director of football. On ward and upward COYR.[/p][/quote]I guess the nearest to that is Les Reed, Head of Football Development. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

3:04pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Sadoldgitte wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Sadoldgitte wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.
I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.
Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up.

A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days…..
The "Great Lady" also presided over the credit expolsion which went on to ruin this country. One person committees are fine if they get it right every time. There are plenty of people who think that she got very little right. Yes, this country was sick, but curing one ailment but giving the patient many more was hardly the best treatment was it? All we are now is a weak extension of the US. Of course management should be running businesses and not the unions - but in the process look at how much of our industry has gone abroad. We just now provide services and what happens when those services go abraod too? Thanks Maggie. I shall have to work until I die to pay off my mortgage but at least you have your legacy.
Access to capital is a massive benefit, I couldn't have built the business I have without it. Being able to borrow doesn't mean to say you should, it depends what you plan to spend it on.

Do you know we are the tenth biggest exporter in the world?

Anyway, Cortese was 'not for turning' and I like that provided the plan is working of course, and there can be absolutely no doubt that so far it was working exceptionally well!
You will find many people who disgree with you but that is fine. Fortunately she isnt here anymore although millions still have to live with legacy. Also fortunately Cortese isnt here anymore so hopefully the club will be run in the way that the people who stumped up the cash in the first place want it to be run now.
Let's hope the clubs position in the rankings doesn't collapse in the same way the country did afterwards.

Thatcher aside it's truly amazing that you don't marvel at what Cortese, git or no git, achieved here in such a short time. And before you go on about the Liebherr millions he increased the value of their asset at the same time. And football is littered with big spenders achieving nothing. Everyone was a winner - including us.
[quote][p][bold]Sadoldgitte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sadoldgitte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee![/p][/quote]Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.[/p][/quote]I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.[/p][/quote]Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up. A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days…..[/p][/quote]The "Great Lady" also presided over the credit expolsion which went on to ruin this country. One person committees are fine if they get it right every time. There are plenty of people who think that she got very little right. Yes, this country was sick, but curing one ailment but giving the patient many more was hardly the best treatment was it? All we are now is a weak extension of the US. Of course management should be running businesses and not the unions - but in the process look at how much of our industry has gone abroad. We just now provide services and what happens when those services go abraod too? Thanks Maggie. I shall have to work until I die to pay off my mortgage but at least you have your legacy.[/p][/quote]Access to capital is a massive benefit, I couldn't have built the business I have without it. Being able to borrow doesn't mean to say you should, it depends what you plan to spend it on. Do you know we are the tenth biggest exporter in the world? Anyway, Cortese was 'not for turning' and I like that provided the plan is working of course, and there can be absolutely no doubt that so far it was working exceptionally well![/p][/quote]You will find many people who disgree with you but that is fine. Fortunately she isnt here anymore although millions still have to live with legacy. Also fortunately Cortese isnt here anymore so hopefully the club will be run in the way that the people who stumped up the cash in the first place want it to be run now.[/p][/quote]Let's hope the clubs position in the rankings doesn't collapse in the same way the country did afterwards. Thatcher aside it's truly amazing that you don't marvel at what Cortese, git or no git, achieved here in such a short time. And before you go on about the Liebherr millions he increased the value of their asset at the same time. And football is littered with big spenders achieving nothing. Everyone was a winner - including us. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

3:04pm Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Caribou Plan Update:

I still don't know what's going on.
What's happening?
.. caribou nibbling at the croquet hoops.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Caribou Plan Update: I still don't know what's going on. What's happening?[/p][/quote].. caribou nibbling at the croquet hoops. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

3:15pm Tue 21 Jan 14

saintray says...

I really think OSPREYSAINT should apply for CEO job at SFC as he seems to know everything about anything and is so sure hes right on every issue in debate surely hes our man for the job.
I really think OSPREYSAINT should apply for CEO job at SFC as he seems to know everything about anything and is so sure hes right on every issue in debate surely hes our man for the job. saintray
  • Score: -2

3:16pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Saintsayer II says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Sadoldgitte wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Sadoldgitte wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.
I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.
Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up.

A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days…..
The "Great Lady" also presided over the credit expolsion which went on to ruin this country. One person committees are fine if they get it right every time. There are plenty of people who think that she got very little right. Yes, this country was sick, but curing one ailment but giving the patient many more was hardly the best treatment was it? All we are now is a weak extension of the US. Of course management should be running businesses and not the unions - but in the process look at how much of our industry has gone abroad. We just now provide services and what happens when those services go abraod too? Thanks Maggie. I shall have to work until I die to pay off my mortgage but at least you have your legacy.
Access to capital is a massive benefit, I couldn't have built the business I have without it. Being able to borrow doesn't mean to say you should, it depends what you plan to spend it on.

Do you know we are the tenth biggest exporter in the world?

Anyway, Cortese was 'not for turning' and I like that provided the plan is working of course, and there can be absolutely no doubt that so far it was working exceptionally well!
You will find many people who disgree with you but that is fine. Fortunately she isnt here anymore although millions still have to live with legacy. Also fortunately Cortese isnt here anymore so hopefully the club will be run in the way that the people who stumped up the cash in the first place want it to be run now.
Let's hope the clubs position in the rankings doesn't collapse in the same way the country did afterwards.

Thatcher aside it's truly amazing that you don't marvel at what Cortese, git or no git, achieved here in such a short time. And before you go on about the Liebherr millions he increased the value of their asset at the same time. And football is littered with big spenders achieving nothing. Everyone was a winner - including us.
Blimey I started something there
When Thatcher closed the mines and we imported cheap coal from Polad it was ok
Then the Chinese wanted all the worlds scrap iron they hired as many ships as possible So the cost of shipping the coal became astranomical Supply and demand
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sadoldgitte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sadoldgitte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee![/p][/quote]Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.[/p][/quote]I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.[/p][/quote]Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up. A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days…..[/p][/quote]The "Great Lady" also presided over the credit expolsion which went on to ruin this country. One person committees are fine if they get it right every time. There are plenty of people who think that she got very little right. Yes, this country was sick, but curing one ailment but giving the patient many more was hardly the best treatment was it? All we are now is a weak extension of the US. Of course management should be running businesses and not the unions - but in the process look at how much of our industry has gone abroad. We just now provide services and what happens when those services go abraod too? Thanks Maggie. I shall have to work until I die to pay off my mortgage but at least you have your legacy.[/p][/quote]Access to capital is a massive benefit, I couldn't have built the business I have without it. Being able to borrow doesn't mean to say you should, it depends what you plan to spend it on. Do you know we are the tenth biggest exporter in the world? Anyway, Cortese was 'not for turning' and I like that provided the plan is working of course, and there can be absolutely no doubt that so far it was working exceptionally well![/p][/quote]You will find many people who disgree with you but that is fine. Fortunately she isnt here anymore although millions still have to live with legacy. Also fortunately Cortese isnt here anymore so hopefully the club will be run in the way that the people who stumped up the cash in the first place want it to be run now.[/p][/quote]Let's hope the clubs position in the rankings doesn't collapse in the same way the country did afterwards. Thatcher aside it's truly amazing that you don't marvel at what Cortese, git or no git, achieved here in such a short time. And before you go on about the Liebherr millions he increased the value of their asset at the same time. And football is littered with big spenders achieving nothing. Everyone was a winner - including us.[/p][/quote]Blimey I started something there When Thatcher closed the mines and we imported cheap coal from Polad it was ok Then the Chinese wanted all the worlds scrap iron they hired as many ships as possible So the cost of shipping the coal became astranomical Supply and demand Saintsayer II
  • Score: 0

3:18pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

saintray wrote:
I really think OSPREYSAINT should apply for CEO job at SFC as he seems to know everything about anything and is so sure hes right on every issue in debate surely hes our man for the job.
and he's got a moustache.
[quote][p][bold]saintray[/bold] wrote: I really think OSPREYSAINT should apply for CEO job at SFC as he seems to know everything about anything and is so sure hes right on every issue in debate surely hes our man for the job.[/p][/quote]and he's got a moustache. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

3:21pm Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

saintray wrote:
I really think OSPREYSAINT should apply for CEO job at SFC as he seems to know everything about anything and is so sure hes right on every issue in debate surely hes our man for the job.
If I am wrong I am here to be shot down, over to you to post something relevant. The CEO job has come just too late for me, otherwise I may have been tempted, I know very little, I research a lot, Google is my friend.
[quote][p][bold]saintray[/bold] wrote: I really think OSPREYSAINT should apply for CEO job at SFC as he seems to know everything about anything and is so sure hes right on every issue in debate surely hes our man for the job.[/p][/quote]If I am wrong I am here to be shot down, over to you to post something relevant. The CEO job has come just too late for me, otherwise I may have been tempted, I know very little, I research a lot, Google is my friend. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

3:22pm Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
saintray wrote:
I really think OSPREYSAINT should apply for CEO job at SFC as he seems to know everything about anything and is so sure hes right on every issue in debate surely hes our man for the job.
and he's got a moustache.
It's not a prize winner but keeps my upper lip warm and absorbs alchohol for later consumption.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintray[/bold] wrote: I really think OSPREYSAINT should apply for CEO job at SFC as he seems to know everything about anything and is so sure hes right on every issue in debate surely hes our man for the job.[/p][/quote]and he's got a moustache.[/p][/quote]It's not a prize winner but keeps my upper lip warm and absorbs alchohol for later consumption. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

3:28pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Dave Juson says...

According the Guardian Katharina Liebherr's first appointment in the new management structure is Ralph Krueger, a Canadian born German national and ice hockey coach.
Oh boy! Are the reactionaries who ranted about the Sir Clive Woodward joining the Saints coaching team going to spit a few teeth over this development.
For the record: I was pro-Woodford and I am intrigued by this appointment. According the the Guardian, he has a reputation as a specialist in motivation techniques.
According the Guardian Katharina Liebherr's first appointment in the new management structure is Ralph Krueger, a Canadian born German national and ice hockey coach. Oh boy! Are the reactionaries who ranted about the Sir Clive Woodward joining the Saints coaching team going to spit a few teeth over this development. For the record: I was pro-Woodford and I am intrigued by this appointment. According the the Guardian, he has a reputation as a specialist in motivation techniques. Dave Juson
  • Score: -2

3:37pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Clever Dick says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick
And I wouldn't disagree with him
Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee!
Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.
I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.
Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up.

A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days…..
Yeah. A bit like Marmite ain't she. Love her or hate her. Personally I think she engineered the selfish society we now have. I don't like Marmite and I like Thatcher even less. She even managed to sell all the nationalised industries back to the people who already owned them. Anyway that's not the point. All I'm saying is sometimes committees can work and sometimes an individual is best. Either way we don't have a choice but KL does. We just provide the support
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Cotese believed that the only good committee consists of 2 people when one of them is sick And I wouldn't disagree with him[/p][/quote]Definition of a camel - a horse designed by a committee![/p][/quote]Margaret Thatcher made a great one person committee even with a complete cabinet sat around her. And look what she did for the country. We're still paying out many millions each year for the war that kept her in power, she destroyed our coal industry etc etc. But she also got found out in the end.[/p][/quote]I thought this was a football forum. In anycase, to correct you, it wasn't Thatcher that destroyed the coal industry, it was Harold Wilson. More pits closed under his Socialist government than under Thatcher. That is a fact, check it out.[/p][/quote]Mining had been declining since WW1 due to massive opencast mines elsewhere and a move away from fossil fuel, it was always inevitable. Thatcher took us from sick man of Europe to being competitive once more with management running the large businesses and not unions. All great until Major, Blair and Brown in particular facked it right up. A portrait of her smiles down on me as I type - signed and given to me by the great lady herself. Ahh, those were the days…..[/p][/quote]Yeah. A bit like Marmite ain't she. Love her or hate her. Personally I think she engineered the selfish society we now have. I don't like Marmite and I like Thatcher even less. She even managed to sell all the nationalised industries back to the people who already owned them. Anyway that's not the point. All I'm saying is sometimes committees can work and sometimes an individual is best. Either way we don't have a choice but KL does. We just provide the support Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

3:39pm Tue 21 Jan 14

saint christopher says...

Sure it's been quoted already but a good article from a few days ago on Potchettino.

http://prosoccertalk
.nbcsports.com/2014/
01/17/unraveling-the
-mess-at-southampton
-fc-cortese-pochetti
no-liebherr-and-sain
ts-future/

I think end of season will be critical. MoPo and star players stay, Katharina (and new board) sanction a few additions, and we might yet be pushing for a top 6 or 7. If one or more of those doesn't happen we're back to being amongst the "ordinary" teams of the PL.

But let's never forget where we were 4 years ago, and that even in that situation we'll still be benefitting from one of the best youth set-ups in the country and be in a whole stronger position than we've ever been before. Don't let the rather unrealistic daydreams of NC spoil the reality of our achievements.
Sure it's been quoted already but a good article from a few days ago on Potchettino. http://prosoccertalk .nbcsports.com/2014/ 01/17/unraveling-the -mess-at-southampton -fc-cortese-pochetti no-liebherr-and-sain ts-future/ I think end of season will be critical. MoPo and star players stay, Katharina (and new board) sanction a few additions, and we might yet be pushing for a top 6 or 7. If one or more of those doesn't happen we're back to being amongst the "ordinary" teams of the PL. But let's never forget where we were 4 years ago, and that even in that situation we'll still be benefitting from one of the best youth set-ups in the country and be in a whole stronger position than we've ever been before. Don't let the rather unrealistic daydreams of NC spoil the reality of our achievements. saint christopher
  • Score: 4

3:51pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Clever Dick says...

Dave Juson wrote:
According the Guardian Katharina Liebherr's first appointment in the new management structure is Ralph Krueger, a Canadian born German national and ice hockey coach.
Oh boy! Are the reactionaries who ranted about the Sir Clive Woodward joining the Saints coaching team going to spit a few teeth over this development.
For the record: I was pro-Woodford and I am intrigued by this appointment. According the the Guardian, he has a reputation as a specialist in motivation techniques.
It's a master plan. They are going to switch off the under soil heating for the winter months and we are going to play on an icy surface. He's gonna train up the players.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: According the Guardian Katharina Liebherr's first appointment in the new management structure is Ralph Krueger, a Canadian born German national and ice hockey coach. Oh boy! Are the reactionaries who ranted about the Sir Clive Woodward joining the Saints coaching team going to spit a few teeth over this development. For the record: I was pro-Woodford and I am intrigued by this appointment. According the the Guardian, he has a reputation as a specialist in motivation techniques.[/p][/quote]It's a master plan. They are going to switch off the under soil heating for the winter months and we are going to play on an icy surface. He's gonna train up the players. Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

4:08pm Tue 21 Jan 14

SFCOLDBOY says...

Alicesdad wrote:
I like these threads as it shows how a newspaper and a group of fans can generate anything they want to in terms of dreams, fact, fiction and pure guesswork. It is a highly amusing thing to see how the growth of communications technology has enabled rumouis to be treated as fact purely by publication. It has always been a feature of communication but in these Internet times it is a massive phenemenon.


Anyway .... my view on the present position, for what its worth...

Until the formal announcement of a new Chief is made nobody will know what's going on.

The review of the books is standard practice and is in no way a comment on previous activity. That is typical press spin.

The rest is all padding and insubstantial re-puffing of previous guesswork.

Did she argue about Cortese's autonomy? Who knows?

Are we for sale? Who knows?

Is Cortese coming back with a different buyer? Who knows?

Is some Chinese rich boy interested in us? Who knows?

Is Katharina keeping the club with a long term strategy? Who knows?

Does she want a board of directors? Who knows?

Is John Williams a front runner for the new Chief role.? Who knows?


So what DO we know?

We know we aren't selling players. She said so.

We know we arent selling the club at the moment. She said so.

.. and THATS IT !

So .. I reitereate my previous comment..


I don't know what's going on

Whats happening?
I know what I know.
That is. regardless of all of the conundrums.
I will always support our great football club.
It's unconditional.
COYS.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I like these threads as it shows how a newspaper and a group of fans can generate anything they want to in terms of dreams, fact, fiction and pure guesswork. It is a highly amusing thing to see how the growth of communications technology has enabled rumouis to be treated as fact purely by publication. It has always been a feature of communication but in these Internet times it is a massive phenemenon. Anyway .... my view on the present position, for what its worth... Until the formal announcement of a new Chief is made nobody will know what's going on. The review of the books is standard practice and is in no way a comment on previous activity. That is typical press spin. The rest is all padding and insubstantial re-puffing of previous guesswork. Did she argue about Cortese's autonomy? Who knows? Are we for sale? Who knows? Is Cortese coming back with a different buyer? Who knows? Is some Chinese rich boy interested in us? Who knows? Is Katharina keeping the club with a long term strategy? Who knows? Does she want a board of directors? Who knows? Is John Williams a front runner for the new Chief role.? Who knows? So what DO we know? We know we aren't selling players. She said so. We know we arent selling the club at the moment. She said so. .. and THATS IT ! So .. I reitereate my previous comment.. I don't know what's going on Whats happening?[/p][/quote]I know what I know. That is. regardless of all of the conundrums. I will always support our great football club. It's unconditional. COYS. SFCOLDBOY
  • Score: 2

4:17pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

saint christopher wrote:
Sure it's been quoted already but a good article from a few days ago on Potchettino.

http://prosoccertalk

.nbcsports.com/2014/

01/17/unraveling-the

-mess-at-southampton

-fc-cortese-pochetti

no-liebherr-and-sain

ts-future/

I think end of season will be critical. MoPo and star players stay, Katharina (and new board) sanction a few additions, and we might yet be pushing for a top 6 or 7. If one or more of those doesn't happen we're back to being amongst the "ordinary" teams of the PL.

But let's never forget where we were 4 years ago, and that even in that situation we'll still be benefitting from one of the best youth set-ups in the country and be in a whole stronger position than we've ever been before. Don't let the rather unrealistic daydreams of NC spoil the reality of our achievements.
I really don't understand why so many are now suggesting his dreams were unrealistic or unachievable. Obviously I don't know whether he would have succeeded or not but his track record so far was exceptional so I had faith.
[quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: Sure it's been quoted already but a good article from a few days ago on Potchettino. http://prosoccertalk .nbcsports.com/2014/ 01/17/unraveling-the -mess-at-southampton -fc-cortese-pochetti no-liebherr-and-sain ts-future/ I think end of season will be critical. MoPo and star players stay, Katharina (and new board) sanction a few additions, and we might yet be pushing for a top 6 or 7. If one or more of those doesn't happen we're back to being amongst the "ordinary" teams of the PL. But let's never forget where we were 4 years ago, and that even in that situation we'll still be benefitting from one of the best youth set-ups in the country and be in a whole stronger position than we've ever been before. Don't let the rather unrealistic daydreams of NC spoil the reality of our achievements.[/p][/quote]I really don't understand why so many are now suggesting his dreams were unrealistic or unachievable. Obviously I don't know whether he would have succeeded or not but his track record so far was exceptional so I had faith. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

4:28pm Tue 21 Jan 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
According the Guardian Katharina Liebherr's first appointment in the new management structure is Ralph Krueger, a Canadian born German national and ice hockey coach.
Oh boy! Are the reactionaries who ranted about the Sir Clive Woodward joining the Saints coaching team going to spit a few teeth over this development.
For the record: I was pro-Woodford and I am intrigued by this appointment. According the the Guardian, he has a reputation as a specialist in motivation techniques.
It's a master plan. They are going to switch off the under soil heating for the winter months and we are going to play on an icy surface. He's gonna train up the players.
i didn't think we had any undersoil heating, so we will just have to wit for global warming to kick in so he can take them skating on the itchen. so it looks like KL is here or the long term. and a genius stroke to have someone qualified in `skating` on the board. look out blue and pIs even our owners hate you! ;0)
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: According the Guardian Katharina Liebherr's first appointment in the new management structure is Ralph Krueger, a Canadian born German national and ice hockey coach. Oh boy! Are the reactionaries who ranted about the Sir Clive Woodward joining the Saints coaching team going to spit a few teeth over this development. For the record: I was pro-Woodford and I am intrigued by this appointment. According the the Guardian, he has a reputation as a specialist in motivation techniques.[/p][/quote]It's a master plan. They are going to switch off the under soil heating for the winter months and we are going to play on an icy surface. He's gonna train up the players.[/p][/quote]i didn't think we had any undersoil heating, so we will just have to wit for global warming to kick in so he can take them skating on the itchen. so it looks like KL is here or the long term. and a genius stroke to have someone qualified in `skating` on the board. look out blue and pIs even our owners hate you! ;0) el caballo santos101
  • Score: 0

4:52pm Tue 21 Jan 14

right back in the bar says...

The unequivocal support shown on these pages for a megalomaniac ex- merchant banker amazes me. Successive coaching staff and some very good players are largely responsible for where we are now. Granted Cortese can take credit for the big decision he took in appointing MoPo but he has behaved according to type in throwing his toys out of the pram and resigning over issues related to proper corporate governance - - high profile bankers believe (as we have all learnt to our cost) that they can make up their own set of rules. And many on here also seem to be forgetting that Cortese's plans for the club were long term and that success was to be largely self sustained. So if, as many seem to think, Cortese left because KL did not share his ambition what might her ambition be? If we take her on her word and she is not for selling, is it to spend big? It's all speculation but what we do know is that this family have a reputation for going about business in the proper way; maintaining continuity in the coaching staff is key, do that and nothing much changes in my mind
The unequivocal support shown on these pages for a megalomaniac ex- merchant banker amazes me. Successive coaching staff and some very good players are largely responsible for where we are now. Granted Cortese can take credit for the big decision he took in appointing MoPo but he has behaved according to type in throwing his toys out of the pram and resigning over issues related to proper corporate governance - - high profile bankers believe (as we have all learnt to our cost) that they can make up their own set of rules. And many on here also seem to be forgetting that Cortese's plans for the club were long term and that success was to be largely self sustained. So if, as many seem to think, Cortese left because KL did not share his ambition what might her ambition be? If we take her on her word and she is not for selling, is it to spend big? It's all speculation but what we do know is that this family have a reputation for going about business in the proper way; maintaining continuity in the coaching staff is key, do that and nothing much changes in my mind right back in the bar
  • Score: 0

5:11pm Tue 21 Jan 14

andygoater1957 says...

saintray wrote:
I really think OSPREYSAINT should apply for CEO job at SFC as he seems to know everything about anything and is so sure hes right on every issue in debate surely hes our man for the job.
His spelling is to good for that job!!!
[quote][p][bold]saintray[/bold] wrote: I really think OSPREYSAINT should apply for CEO job at SFC as he seems to know everything about anything and is so sure hes right on every issue in debate surely hes our man for the job.[/p][/quote]His spelling is to good for that job!!! andygoater1957
  • Score: 0

5:22pm Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

andygoater1957 wrote:
saintray wrote:
I really think OSPREYSAINT should apply for CEO job at SFC as he seems to know everything about anything and is so sure hes right on every issue in debate surely hes our man for the job.
His spelling is to good for that job!!!
You toO could qualify then.
[quote][p][bold]andygoater1957[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintray[/bold] wrote: I really think OSPREYSAINT should apply for CEO job at SFC as he seems to know everything about anything and is so sure hes right on every issue in debate surely hes our man for the job.[/p][/quote]His spelling is to good for that job!!![/p][/quote]You toO could qualify then. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

5:25pm Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
According the Guardian Katharina Liebherr's first appointment in the new management structure is Ralph Krueger, a Canadian born German national and ice hockey coach.
Oh boy! Are the reactionaries who ranted about the Sir Clive Woodward joining the Saints coaching team going to spit a few teeth over this development.
For the record: I was pro-Woodford and I am intrigued by this appointment. According the the Guardian, he has a reputation as a specialist in motivation techniques.
It's a master plan. They are going to switch off the under soil heating for the winter months and we are going to play on an icy surface. He's gonna train up the players.
i didn't think we had any undersoil heating, so we will just have to wit for global warming to kick in so he can take them skating on the itchen. so it looks like KL is here or the long term. and a genius stroke to have someone qualified in `skating` on the board. look out blue and pIs even our owners hate you! ;0)
As far as I know the facility was provided for, but I don't think was ever completed, we have never needed it in our tropical zone. If a game has been cancelled it has been down to the state of the surrounding area, never the pitch.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: According the Guardian Katharina Liebherr's first appointment in the new management structure is Ralph Krueger, a Canadian born German national and ice hockey coach. Oh boy! Are the reactionaries who ranted about the Sir Clive Woodward joining the Saints coaching team going to spit a few teeth over this development. For the record: I was pro-Woodford and I am intrigued by this appointment. According the the Guardian, he has a reputation as a specialist in motivation techniques.[/p][/quote]It's a master plan. They are going to switch off the under soil heating for the winter months and we are going to play on an icy surface. He's gonna train up the players.[/p][/quote]i didn't think we had any undersoil heating, so we will just have to wit for global warming to kick in so he can take them skating on the itchen. so it looks like KL is here or the long term. and a genius stroke to have someone qualified in `skating` on the board. look out blue and pIs even our owners hate you! ;0)[/p][/quote]As far as I know the facility was provided for, but I don't think was ever completed, we have never needed it in our tropical zone. If a game has been cancelled it has been down to the state of the surrounding area, never the pitch. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

5:39pm Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

http://www.sportsdir
ectnews.com/premier-
league-news/38823-so
uthampton-austrian-a
gent-joins-saints-bo
ard.php#.Ut6wL7RFDGg


Josef Lenhart, I don't know anyhing about that that one.
http://www.sportsdir ectnews.com/premier- league-news/38823-so uthampton-austrian-a gent-joins-saints-bo ard.php#.Ut6wL7RFDGg Josef Lenhart, I don't know anyhing about that that one. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

5:54pm Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
http://www.sportsdir

ectnews.com/premier-

league-news/38823-so

uthampton-austrian-a

gent-joins-saints-bo

ard.php#.Ut6wL7RFDGg



Josef Lenhart, I don't know anyhing about that that one.
This person was appointed as a director, then the directorship was terminated yesterday, some kind of legal device? I haven't a clue, what's happening?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: http://www.sportsdir ectnews.com/premier- league-news/38823-so uthampton-austrian-a gent-joins-saints-bo ard.php#.Ut6wL7RFDGg Josef Lenhart, I don't know anyhing about that that one.[/p][/quote]This person was appointed as a director, then the directorship was terminated yesterday, some kind of legal device? I haven't a clue, what's happening? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

5:57pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

http://www.saintsfc.
co.uk/news/article/s
tatement-from-kathar
ina-liebherr-1308712
.aspx
http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/news/article/s tatement-from-kathar ina-liebherr-1308712 .aspx Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 1

5:58pm Tue 21 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

http://www.saintsfc.
co.uk/news/article/s
tatement-from-kathar
ina-liebherr-1308712
.aspx

Struggling to keep up with developments!
http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/news/article/s tatement-from-kathar ina-liebherr-1308712 .aspx Struggling to keep up with developments! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

6:03pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Smith187 says...

Well the statement from Katharine has cleared things up in my mind, extremely happy for the future now :)
Well the statement from Katharine has cleared things up in my mind, extremely happy for the future now :) Smith187
  • Score: -3

6:16pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Excellent news. One change that is most welcome will be the end of the kept in the dark culture.
Excellent news. One change that is most welcome will be the end of the kept in the dark culture. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

6:22pm Tue 21 Jan 14

andysaint says...

Great start from KL
Keeping the fans informed - now thats a novelty
Great start from KL Keeping the fans informed - now thats a novelty andysaint
  • Score: 2

6:32pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Kamawoop says...

Hmmm, given the choice of a brilliant ****, or an equally brilliant nice woman I woud choose the later. However the only certanainty was the first.
Hmmm, given the choice of a brilliant ****, or an equally brilliant nice woman I woud choose the later. However the only certanainty was the first. Kamawoop
  • Score: 0

6:33pm Tue 21 Jan 14

mack chinnon says...

"The Southampton way". Game on.
"The Southampton way". Game on. mack chinnon
  • Score: 1

6:34pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Kamawoop says...

certanainty good word huh? It means ephemeral
certanainty good word huh? It means ephemeral Kamawoop
  • Score: 0

6:43pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Kamawoop says...

later it means latter
later it means latter Kamawoop
  • Score: 0

7:15pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Bring back Arse Hockey plus Speedway at Fords the 60 Thousand Stadium for the Sport lovers of Southampton!
Bring back Arse Hockey plus Speedway at Fords the 60 Thousand Stadium for the Sport lovers of Southampton! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 2

10:25pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
http://www.sportsdir


ectnews.com/premier-


league-news/38823-so


uthampton-austrian-a


gent-joins-saints-bo


ard.php#.Ut6wL7RFDGg




Josef Lenhart, I don't know anyhing about that that one.
This person was appointed as a director, then the directorship was terminated yesterday, some kind of legal device? I haven't a clue, what's happening?
Either way, it says:

'He also does work for a Liechtenstein-based charity called Football Is More, which aims to support and help disadvantaged youngsters growing up in crisis areas around the world.'

I hope you're following this, Bluewhiteandsad. It sounds like help is on its way.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: http://www.sportsdir ectnews.com/premier- league-news/38823-so uthampton-austrian-a gent-joins-saints-bo ard.php#.Ut6wL7RFDGg Josef Lenhart, I don't know anyhing about that that one.[/p][/quote]This person was appointed as a director, then the directorship was terminated yesterday, some kind of legal device? I haven't a clue, what's happening?[/p][/quote]Either way, it says: 'He also does work for a Liechtenstein-based charity called Football Is More, which aims to support and help disadvantaged youngsters growing up in crisis areas around the world.' I hope you're following this, Bluewhiteandsad. It sounds like help is on its way. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 0

9:56am Wed 22 Jan 14

ItchenIain says...

This is the peak, isn't it.

At least the Skates have a tin to show for it.

Turn the Liebherr tap off and we're in as much doo doo as they were.
This is the peak, isn't it. At least the Skates have a tin to show for it. Turn the Liebherr tap off and we're in as much doo doo as they were. ItchenIain
  • Score: 0

4:56pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Ah Stock Car Racing and the Greyhounds and a bit of Arse Hockey!
Ah Stock Car Racing and the Greyhounds and a bit of Arse Hockey! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 1

2:19pm Thu 23 Jan 14

lowe esteem says...

Dave Juson wrote:
According the Guardian Katharina Liebherr's first appointment in the new management structure is Ralph Krueger, a Canadian born German national and ice hockey coach.
Oh boy! Are the reactionaries who ranted about the Sir Clive Woodward joining the Saints coaching team going to spit a few teeth over this development.
For the record: I was pro-Woodford and I am intrigued by this appointment. According the the Guardian, he has a reputation as a specialist in motivation techniques.
The Woody's? Oh, yes, the famous Wimbledon doubles team.
Motivational speaking-call for Roger Black-and even Kris Akabusi.

I am also waiting to change my user name to 'In ??????? we trust'
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: According the Guardian Katharina Liebherr's first appointment in the new management structure is Ralph Krueger, a Canadian born German national and ice hockey coach. Oh boy! Are the reactionaries who ranted about the Sir Clive Woodward joining the Saints coaching team going to spit a few teeth over this development. For the record: I was pro-Woodford and I am intrigued by this appointment. According the the Guardian, he has a reputation as a specialist in motivation techniques.[/p][/quote]The Woody's? Oh, yes, the famous Wimbledon doubles team. Motivational speaking-call for Roger Black-and even Kris Akabusi. I am also waiting to change my user name to 'In ??????? we trust' lowe esteem
  • Score: 1

1:54pm Fri 24 Jan 14

kiddynamite says...

love the way the Echo make this sound like a casual headbutt! Tell the truth DE Osvaldo battered Fonte, Kicking him in the head whilst layed on the floor! Italian pr1ck! Othe saints players there at the time were shaking it was so violent!
love the way the Echo make this sound like a casual headbutt! Tell the truth DE Osvaldo battered Fonte, Kicking him in the head whilst layed on the floor! Italian pr1ck! Othe saints players there at the time were shaking it was so violent! kiddynamite
  • Score: 0

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