Europa aim isn't beyond Saints

Daily Echo: Mauricio Pochettino Mauricio Pochettino

Saints will need to finish the season how they started it if they are to stand a realistic chance of qualifying for the Europa League.

Despite Saturday’s 3-1 defeat at West Ham, Mauricio Pochettino’s side have not given up hope of booking a place in the competition.

As reported in today’s paper, centre-half Dejan Lovren believes that Saints still have the capacity to finish sixth this season.

While that does not guarantee a spot in the Europa League right now, there is a strong chance that the qualification places could drop that far.

Should Manchester City beat Sunderland in the League Cup final on Sunday, then sixth would indeed be good enough.

There is even a chance that qualification could drop to seventh, depending on which teams make the FA Cup final.

However, looking at what Saints would need to do in order to finish sixth, the likelihood is that Mauricio Pochettino’s men would have to average about two points per game over their final 11 matches to stand a reasonable chance.

It is a big challenge, but it is also exactly the form they showed in their opening 11 fixtures of the campaign, when they claimed 22 points.

Since the Premier League switched to a 20-team format, the average number of points earned by the team finishing sixth is a little over 60.

The highest total was 64 – achieved three times in 18 seasons – while the lowest was 55.

Saints currently have 39 points.

A haul of two points per game between now and the end of the season would give them 61, and put them just above the average for sixth.

If they are to finish there, they will need to overhaul the three teams immediately above them – Newcastle, Everton and Manchester United.

All of those sides must still visit St Mary’s before the season ends.

In terms of seventh place, the average number of points accumulated by the side finishing in that position has been just under 57.

The highest total was 63, while it has been as little as 53.

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6:41am Tue 25 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

If we play every match with the aim of winning it, then (almost) anything's possible.
If we play every match with the aim of winning it, then (almost) anything's possible. Rising_Son

7:12am Tue 25 Feb 14

Sammy2sheds says...

We haven't got the squad for Europa
I think poch realises he has taken us as far as he can
I can see a change in the summer
We haven't got the squad for Europa I think poch realises he has taken us as far as he can I can see a change in the summer Sammy2sheds

7:50am Tue 25 Feb 14

Dubai-saints89 says...

tough task to accomplish. losing to west ham all but destroyed our chances.
tough task to accomplish. losing to west ham all but destroyed our chances. Dubai-saints89

8:45am Tue 25 Feb 14

george chivers says...

We desperately need someone to convert chances into goals if we are to start accumulating points That someone should have been Dani Osvaldo. So now it is down to SRL and Jayrod. I hope they can make a step improvement, but I really don't see it. And I still don't believe the club want to do it. We could have between five and seven players on World Cup duty, which means they will be late back for the pre-season after they've had a break from football. There will also be transfers out, say up to four first teamers. And we would need to enhance the squad with four extra players to compete in the Europa Cup given what has happened to Newcastle and Swansea in the past. So possibly six to eight new faces needed and to be bedded in before the start of the season.

Do we really need the Europa Cup? It could be a real strain on our resources and get us into a relegation battle. Next season might be a better time to try and qualify for the Europa if we can't get into the top four or five and make it into the Champions League.

And I'm still annoyed about our cup performance at Sunderland!
We desperately need someone to convert chances into goals if we are to start accumulating points That someone should have been Dani Osvaldo. So now it is down to SRL and Jayrod. I hope they can make a step improvement, but I really don't see it. And I still don't believe the club want to do it. We could have between five and seven players on World Cup duty, which means they will be late back for the pre-season after they've had a break from football. There will also be transfers out, say up to four first teamers. And we would need to enhance the squad with four extra players to compete in the Europa Cup given what has happened to Newcastle and Swansea in the past. So possibly six to eight new faces needed and to be bedded in before the start of the season. Do we really need the Europa Cup? It could be a real strain on our resources and get us into a relegation battle. Next season might be a better time to try and qualify for the Europa if we can't get into the top four or five and make it into the Champions League. And I'm still annoyed about our cup performance at Sunderland! george chivers

9:44am Tue 25 Feb 14

warrens 76 says...

Two saturdays in a row has all but seen an end to our season.

It has been a pleasure to see how far we have come and some of the beautiful football played, however Saints being Saints just as we threaten to become a force we bu88er it up.

Many posters make completely unfair comparisons between us today and the teams from 76 to 87 wrong wrong wrong, back then and as an excitable fan following the team all over the country with the 'interesting' confrontations this bought I can tell you we had teams that were the best in the country….

..there was no gulf whatsoever between us and the other top teams…we usually outplayed them and then following one too many sherberts lose to a nothing team, make no mistake we were for example THE best team in the country in 82 and 84, stupid draws and fathomless losses cost us the title and the cup….

... today we deserve to be were we are, the sheer ability to finsih teams off does not exist….

A'int theplayers fault, it is a system whereby Chelsea, Mufco, Citeh, Liverpool, Arsenal can pay more for one player than the Leibherr's paid to save the club…

..this is what really depresses me the financial gap cannot be closed and 'fair play' absolutly ensures no more Jack Walkers, Abromovich's and Mansour's can give their teams supporters a shot at the big time..it's about making sure the established faces are the only faces….as I say very depressing.
Two saturdays in a row has all but seen an end to our season. It has been a pleasure to see how far we have come and some of the beautiful football played, however Saints being Saints just as we threaten to become a force we bu88er it up. Many posters make completely unfair comparisons between us today and the teams from 76 to 87 wrong wrong wrong, back then and as an excitable fan following the team all over the country with the 'interesting' confrontations this bought I can tell you we had teams that were the best in the country…. ..there was no gulf whatsoever between us and the other top teams…we usually outplayed them and then following one too many sherberts lose to a nothing team, make no mistake we were for example THE best team in the country in 82 and 84, stupid draws and fathomless losses cost us the title and the cup…. ... today we deserve to be were we are, the sheer ability to finsih teams off does not exist…. A'int theplayers fault, it is a system whereby Chelsea, Mufco, Citeh, Liverpool, Arsenal can pay more for one player than the Leibherr's paid to save the club… ..this is what really depresses me the financial gap cannot be closed and 'fair play' absolutly ensures no more Jack Walkers, Abromovich's and Mansour's can give their teams supporters a shot at the big time..it's about making sure the established faces are the only faces….as I say very depressing. warrens 76

9:57am Tue 25 Feb 14

george chivers says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Two saturdays in a row has all but seen an end to our season.

It has been a pleasure to see how far we have come and some of the beautiful football played, however Saints being Saints just as we threaten to become a force we bu88er it up.

Many posters make completely unfair comparisons between us today and the teams from 76 to 87 wrong wrong wrong, back then and as an excitable fan following the team all over the country with the 'interesting' confrontations this bought I can tell you we had teams that were the best in the country….

..there was no gulf whatsoever between us and the other top teams…we usually outplayed them and then following one too many sherberts lose to a nothing team, make no mistake we were for example THE best team in the country in 82 and 84, stupid draws and fathomless losses cost us the title and the cup….

... today we deserve to be were we are, the sheer ability to finsih teams off does not exist….

A'int theplayers fault, it is a system whereby Chelsea, Mufco, Citeh, Liverpool, Arsenal can pay more for one player than the Leibherr's paid to save the club…

..this is what really depresses me the financial gap cannot be closed and 'fair play' absolutly ensures no more Jack Walkers, Abromovich's and Mansour's can give their teams supporters a shot at the big time..it's about making sure the established faces are the only faces….as I say very depressing.
Spot on. Excessive capitalism rules the world. Sadly.

But at the end of the day just remember. STID the best FC in the world.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Two saturdays in a row has all but seen an end to our season. It has been a pleasure to see how far we have come and some of the beautiful football played, however Saints being Saints just as we threaten to become a force we bu88er it up. Many posters make completely unfair comparisons between us today and the teams from 76 to 87 wrong wrong wrong, back then and as an excitable fan following the team all over the country with the 'interesting' confrontations this bought I can tell you we had teams that were the best in the country…. ..there was no gulf whatsoever between us and the other top teams…we usually outplayed them and then following one too many sherberts lose to a nothing team, make no mistake we were for example THE best team in the country in 82 and 84, stupid draws and fathomless losses cost us the title and the cup…. ... today we deserve to be were we are, the sheer ability to finsih teams off does not exist…. A'int theplayers fault, it is a system whereby Chelsea, Mufco, Citeh, Liverpool, Arsenal can pay more for one player than the Leibherr's paid to save the club… ..this is what really depresses me the financial gap cannot be closed and 'fair play' absolutly ensures no more Jack Walkers, Abromovich's and Mansour's can give their teams supporters a shot at the big time..it's about making sure the established faces are the only faces….as I say very depressing.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Excessive capitalism rules the world. Sadly. But at the end of the day just remember. STID the best FC in the world. george chivers

10:02am Tue 25 Feb 14

Jesus_02 says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Two saturdays in a row has all but seen an end to our season. It has been a pleasure to see how far we have come and some of the beautiful football played, however Saints being Saints just as we threaten to become a force we bu88er it up. Many posters make completely unfair comparisons between us today and the teams from 76 to 87 wrong wrong wrong, back then and as an excitable fan following the team all over the country with the 'interesting' confrontations this bought I can tell you we had teams that were the best in the country…. ..there was no gulf whatsoever between us and the other top teams…we usually outplayed them and then following one too many sherberts lose to a nothing team, make no mistake we were for example THE best team in the country in 82 and 84, stupid draws and fathomless losses cost us the title and the cup…. ... today we deserve to be were we are, the sheer ability to finsih teams off does not exist…. A'int theplayers fault, it is a system whereby Chelsea, Mufco, Citeh, Liverpool, Arsenal can pay more for one player than the Leibherr's paid to save the club… ..this is what really depresses me the financial gap cannot be closed and 'fair play' absolutly ensures no more Jack Walkers, Abromovich's and Mansour's can give their teams supporters a shot at the big time..it's about making sure the established faces are the only faces….as I say very depressing.
An interesting point about "Finacial Fair Play" - If it was really about stopping wreckless finacial management then it would be a bit more than a "dont spend more than you earned last year" attitude.

The new conditions would have done nothing to prevent what happened to saints in term of finacial meltdown and would have actually put Markus off investing to save the club
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Two saturdays in a row has all but seen an end to our season. It has been a pleasure to see how far we have come and some of the beautiful football played, however Saints being Saints just as we threaten to become a force we bu88er it up. Many posters make completely unfair comparisons between us today and the teams from 76 to 87 wrong wrong wrong, back then and as an excitable fan following the team all over the country with the 'interesting' confrontations this bought I can tell you we had teams that were the best in the country…. ..there was no gulf whatsoever between us and the other top teams…we usually outplayed them and then following one too many sherberts lose to a nothing team, make no mistake we were for example THE best team in the country in 82 and 84, stupid draws and fathomless losses cost us the title and the cup…. ... today we deserve to be were we are, the sheer ability to finsih teams off does not exist…. A'int theplayers fault, it is a system whereby Chelsea, Mufco, Citeh, Liverpool, Arsenal can pay more for one player than the Leibherr's paid to save the club… ..this is what really depresses me the financial gap cannot be closed and 'fair play' absolutly ensures no more Jack Walkers, Abromovich's and Mansour's can give their teams supporters a shot at the big time..it's about making sure the established faces are the only faces….as I say very depressing.[/p][/quote]An interesting point about "Finacial Fair Play" - If it was really about stopping wreckless finacial management then it would be a bit more than a "dont spend more than you earned last year" attitude. The new conditions would have done nothing to prevent what happened to saints in term of finacial meltdown and would have actually put Markus off investing to save the club Jesus_02

10:13am Tue 25 Feb 14

JohnItaly says...

The Europa League is proving to be a poisoned chalice. Ask Newcastle and Swansea. It could be argued Spurs should be included as they are now six points off the pace for 4th in the Premiership. It could be said they might be in a better position had they not had the commitment of the Europa League.

For Saints to compete effectively in the Europa League and the Premiership the squad would need to be seriously improved, particularly a proven goal poacher. Thereby hangs the dilemma. If Saints were to qualify would funds be made available to add to the squad? If not one can see MoPo being tempted away by a major European club. In addition the likes of Lallana and Shaw being enticed away, more so if they are fortunate enough to experience the "big time" in the World Cup. There is already talk of Man Utd looking at Reed, Arsenal interested in Chambers & Schneiderlin, Swansea inquired about Cork. We all are aware of the Shaw situation. You can be assured with 4 Saints in the England U19 squad scouts will be taking a keen interest in their progress.

If Saints do not qualify will fund still be made available? What effect will this have on those players who harbour ambitions to play in Europe?

What control does MoPo have on the movement of players in or out of the club does he have? He had the experience of players being sold from under him whilst managing Espanyol, an experience I'm sure he has no wish to have repeated.

All questions that will be addressed in the summer.

With no real pressure of being dragged into a relegation battle there is absolutely no reason why next seasons plans are not at an advanced stage. If this is indeed the case I trust the players are in the loop. Any hint of uncertainty will unsettle those players with realistic ambitions of plying their trade at the highest level.

All this has been brought about by the considerable success Saints have enjoyed in recent years and long may it continue. I suppose it is a good problem to have. However I would suggest the journey from 8th / 9th in the Premiership will be a tougher (and more expensive!) journey than from the depths of League 1 to where we are now.

Interesting times ahead!!
The Europa League is proving to be a poisoned chalice. Ask Newcastle and Swansea. It could be argued Spurs should be included as they are now six points off the pace for 4th in the Premiership. It could be said they might be in a better position had they not had the commitment of the Europa League. For Saints to compete effectively in the Europa League and the Premiership the squad would need to be seriously improved, particularly a proven goal poacher. Thereby hangs the dilemma. If Saints were to qualify would funds be made available to add to the squad? If not one can see MoPo being tempted away by a major European club. In addition the likes of Lallana and Shaw being enticed away, more so if they are fortunate enough to experience the "big time" in the World Cup. There is already talk of Man Utd looking at Reed, Arsenal interested in Chambers & Schneiderlin, Swansea inquired about Cork. We all are aware of the Shaw situation. You can be assured with 4 Saints in the England U19 squad scouts will be taking a keen interest in their progress. If Saints do not qualify will fund still be made available? What effect will this have on those players who harbour ambitions to play in Europe? What control does MoPo have on the movement of players in or out of the club does he have? He had the experience of players being sold from under him whilst managing Espanyol, an experience I'm sure he has no wish to have repeated. All questions that will be addressed in the summer. With no real pressure of being dragged into a relegation battle there is absolutely no reason why next seasons plans are not at an advanced stage. If this is indeed the case I trust the players are in the loop. Any hint of uncertainty will unsettle those players with realistic ambitions of plying their trade at the highest level. All this has been brought about by the considerable success Saints have enjoyed in recent years and long may it continue. I suppose it is a good problem to have. However I would suggest the journey from 8th / 9th in the Premiership will be a tougher (and more expensive!) journey than from the depths of League 1 to where we are now. Interesting times ahead!! JohnItaly

10:15am Tue 25 Feb 14

Saint-Mike says...

george chivers wrote:
We desperately need someone to convert chances into goals if we are to start accumulating points That someone should have been Dani Osvaldo. So now it is down to SRL and Jayrod. I hope they can make a step improvement, but I really don't see it. And I still don't believe the club want to do it. We could have between five and seven players on World Cup duty, which means they will be late back for the pre-season after they've had a break from football. There will also be transfers out, say up to four first teamers. And we would need to enhance the squad with four extra players to compete in the Europa Cup given what has happened to Newcastle and Swansea in the past. So possibly six to eight new faces needed and to be bedded in before the start of the season.

Do we really need the Europa Cup? It could be a real strain on our resources and get us into a relegation battle. Next season might be a better time to try and qualify for the Europa if we can't get into the top four or five and make it into the Champions League.

And I'm still annoyed about our cup performance at Sunderland!
So now it is down to Lambert and Rodrigues you say?? What about a young lad named Gallagher? I would like to see the boy given a run in the team.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: We desperately need someone to convert chances into goals if we are to start accumulating points That someone should have been Dani Osvaldo. So now it is down to SRL and Jayrod. I hope they can make a step improvement, but I really don't see it. And I still don't believe the club want to do it. We could have between five and seven players on World Cup duty, which means they will be late back for the pre-season after they've had a break from football. There will also be transfers out, say up to four first teamers. And we would need to enhance the squad with four extra players to compete in the Europa Cup given what has happened to Newcastle and Swansea in the past. So possibly six to eight new faces needed and to be bedded in before the start of the season. Do we really need the Europa Cup? It could be a real strain on our resources and get us into a relegation battle. Next season might be a better time to try and qualify for the Europa if we can't get into the top four or five and make it into the Champions League. And I'm still annoyed about our cup performance at Sunderland![/p][/quote]So now it is down to Lambert and Rodrigues you say?? What about a young lad named Gallagher? I would like to see the boy given a run in the team. Saint-Mike

10:44am Tue 25 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

george chivers wrote:
We desperately need someone to convert chances into goals if we are to start accumulating points That someone should have been Dani Osvaldo. So now it is down to SRL and Jayrod. I hope they can make a step improvement, but I really don't see it. And I still don't believe the club want to do it. We could have between five and seven players on World Cup duty, which means they will be late back for the pre-season after they've had a break from football. There will also be transfers out, say up to four first teamers. And we would need to enhance the squad with four extra players to compete in the Europa Cup given what has happened to Newcastle and Swansea in the past. So possibly six to eight new faces needed and to be bedded in before the start of the season.

Do we really need the Europa Cup? It could be a real strain on our resources and get us into a relegation battle. Next season might be a better time to try and qualify for the Europa if we can't get into the top four or five and make it into the Champions League.

And I'm still annoyed about our cup performance at Sunderland!
But I thought you said you don't like our performances, full-stop. Isn't that why you didn't renew your season ticket this season?
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: We desperately need someone to convert chances into goals if we are to start accumulating points That someone should have been Dani Osvaldo. So now it is down to SRL and Jayrod. I hope they can make a step improvement, but I really don't see it. And I still don't believe the club want to do it. We could have between five and seven players on World Cup duty, which means they will be late back for the pre-season after they've had a break from football. There will also be transfers out, say up to four first teamers. And we would need to enhance the squad with four extra players to compete in the Europa Cup given what has happened to Newcastle and Swansea in the past. So possibly six to eight new faces needed and to be bedded in before the start of the season. Do we really need the Europa Cup? It could be a real strain on our resources and get us into a relegation battle. Next season might be a better time to try and qualify for the Europa if we can't get into the top four or five and make it into the Champions League. And I'm still annoyed about our cup performance at Sunderland![/p][/quote]But I thought you said you don't like our performances, full-stop. Isn't that why you didn't renew your season ticket this season? Rising_Son

11:40am Tue 25 Feb 14

saint Compo says...

The last thing we want is to play in the Europa Mickey Mouse Cup - a recipe for relegation disaster. MP has made it pretty clear that he doesn't want it.

We should continue to target a high finish in the Premier League and gradually strengthen the squad but somehow avoid qualifying for anything less than the Champions League.

COYR
The last thing we want is to play in the Europa Mickey Mouse Cup - a recipe for relegation disaster. MP has made it pretty clear that he doesn't want it. We should continue to target a high finish in the Premier League and gradually strengthen the squad but somehow avoid qualifying for anything less than the Champions League. COYR saint Compo

12:25pm Tue 25 Feb 14

st1halo says...

Whats with all the negativity guys? Dare to dream ffs!
Are Everton a big club with massive finances and prolfic team? They are going for it!
Fulham qualified for the competition and went on to have one of the best season's in their history,
The higher we finish, the more we earn, not jst PL money but increased TV rights and exposure. The FFP rules aren't about who spends most, but who spends wisest and within their means. A Europa place increases those means and represents the opportunity to cement our place in the upper reaches of English football. If we don't have the stomach for the fight, we will never get anywhere. Who says we have nothing to play for? Yes, it's an outside chance for qualification as we are on the brink but come on! We are Southampton, we know what it's like to truly be on the brink!
I want us to qualify and see our amazing rise continue. From -10 in League 1 to a place in Europe in 5 years. WOW! I'll take it.

STID WTFILN?
Whats with all the negativity guys? Dare to dream ffs! Are Everton a big club with massive finances and prolfic team? They are going for it! Fulham qualified for the competition and went on to have one of the best season's in their history, The higher we finish, the more we earn, not jst PL money but increased TV rights and exposure. The FFP rules aren't about who spends most, but who spends wisest and within their means. A Europa place increases those means and represents the opportunity to cement our place in the upper reaches of English football. If we don't have the stomach for the fight, we will never get anywhere. Who says we have nothing to play for? Yes, it's an outside chance for qualification as we are on the brink but come on! We are Southampton, we know what it's like to truly be on the brink! I want us to qualify and see our amazing rise continue. From -10 in League 1 to a place in Europe in 5 years. WOW! I'll take it. STID WTFILN? st1halo

12:36pm Tue 25 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

JohnItaly wrote:
The Europa League is proving to be a poisoned chalice. Ask Newcastle and Swansea. It could be argued Spurs should be included as they are now six points off the pace for 4th in the Premiership. It could be said they might be in a better position had they not had the commitment of the Europa League.

For Saints to compete effectively in the Europa League and the Premiership the squad would need to be seriously improved, particularly a proven goal poacher. Thereby hangs the dilemma. If Saints were to qualify would funds be made available to add to the squad? If not one can see MoPo being tempted away by a major European club. In addition the likes of Lallana and Shaw being enticed away, more so if they are fortunate enough to experience the "big time" in the World Cup. There is already talk of Man Utd looking at Reed, Arsenal interested in Chambers & Schneiderlin, Swansea inquired about Cork. We all are aware of the Shaw situation. You can be assured with 4 Saints in the England U19 squad scouts will be taking a keen interest in their progress.

If Saints do not qualify will fund still be made available? What effect will this have on those players who harbour ambitions to play in Europe?

What control does MoPo have on the movement of players in or out of the club does he have? He had the experience of players being sold from under him whilst managing Espanyol, an experience I'm sure he has no wish to have repeated.

All questions that will be addressed in the summer.

With no real pressure of being dragged into a relegation battle there is absolutely no reason why next seasons plans are not at an advanced stage. If this is indeed the case I trust the players are in the loop. Any hint of uncertainty will unsettle those players with realistic ambitions of plying their trade at the highest level.

All this has been brought about by the considerable success Saints have enjoyed in recent years and long may it continue. I suppose it is a good problem to have. However I would suggest the journey from 8th / 9th in the Premiership will be a tougher (and more expensive!) journey than from the depths of League 1 to where we are now.

Interesting times ahead!!
so your worried that funds wont be made available if we qualify and also if we don't qualify?
what control does MP have on player movements? well he did say after NC left that no player will leave the club unless he wants them to. so I would say that was quite clear, and I would expect it to stay the same in the summer.
everyone knows we need another striker, we brought one only he had delusions of grandeur, and thought it ok to head butt a team mate.
manure, arsenil, chelski and anyone else who wants to can `circle` our players and have scouts watch whoever they like, that doesn't mean we will sell. we don't have to worry about money, not because KL is extremely wealthy but because we are all but balancing the books anyway, mostly thanks to NC.
spuds are struggling to get into the top 4 because of the awful start to the season they had with their heavy thrashings v mancy amongst others. the Europa league is still a stupid pointless competition though whos whole purpose is to make money for the top teams unlucky enough to be knocked out of the champions league.
as for players plying their trade at the highest level, well luke is 18 and playing regular first team football in the prem, he will not get that at the top 4/6 teams so why leave yet? same with all our other stars and upcoming stars.
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: The Europa League is proving to be a poisoned chalice. Ask Newcastle and Swansea. It could be argued Spurs should be included as they are now six points off the pace for 4th in the Premiership. It could be said they might be in a better position had they not had the commitment of the Europa League. For Saints to compete effectively in the Europa League and the Premiership the squad would need to be seriously improved, particularly a proven goal poacher. Thereby hangs the dilemma. If Saints were to qualify would funds be made available to add to the squad? If not one can see MoPo being tempted away by a major European club. In addition the likes of Lallana and Shaw being enticed away, more so if they are fortunate enough to experience the "big time" in the World Cup. There is already talk of Man Utd looking at Reed, Arsenal interested in Chambers & Schneiderlin, Swansea inquired about Cork. We all are aware of the Shaw situation. You can be assured with 4 Saints in the England U19 squad scouts will be taking a keen interest in their progress. If Saints do not qualify will fund still be made available? What effect will this have on those players who harbour ambitions to play in Europe? What control does MoPo have on the movement of players in or out of the club does he have? He had the experience of players being sold from under him whilst managing Espanyol, an experience I'm sure he has no wish to have repeated. All questions that will be addressed in the summer. With no real pressure of being dragged into a relegation battle there is absolutely no reason why next seasons plans are not at an advanced stage. If this is indeed the case I trust the players are in the loop. Any hint of uncertainty will unsettle those players with realistic ambitions of plying their trade at the highest level. All this has been brought about by the considerable success Saints have enjoyed in recent years and long may it continue. I suppose it is a good problem to have. However I would suggest the journey from 8th / 9th in the Premiership will be a tougher (and more expensive!) journey than from the depths of League 1 to where we are now. Interesting times ahead!![/p][/quote]so your worried that funds wont be made available if we qualify and also if we don't qualify? what control does MP have on player movements? well he did say after NC left that no player will leave the club unless he wants them to. so I would say that was quite clear, and I would expect it to stay the same in the summer. everyone knows we need another striker, we brought one only he had delusions of grandeur, and thought it ok to head butt a team mate. manure, arsenil, chelski and anyone else who wants to can `circle` our players and have scouts watch whoever they like, that doesn't mean we will sell. we don't have to worry about money, not because KL is extremely wealthy but because we are all but balancing the books anyway, mostly thanks to NC. spuds are struggling to get into the top 4 because of the awful start to the season they had with their heavy thrashings v mancy amongst others. the Europa league is still a stupid pointless competition though whos whole purpose is to make money for the top teams unlucky enough to be knocked out of the champions league. as for players plying their trade at the highest level, well luke is 18 and playing regular first team football in the prem, he will not get that at the top 4/6 teams so why leave yet? same with all our other stars and upcoming stars. el caballo santos101

1:12pm Tue 25 Feb 14

george chivers says...

Rising_Son wrote:
george chivers wrote:
We desperately need someone to convert chances into goals if we are to start accumulating points That someone should have been Dani Osvaldo. So now it is down to SRL and Jayrod. I hope they can make a step improvement, but I really don't see it. And I still don't believe the club want to do it. We could have between five and seven players on World Cup duty, which means they will be late back for the pre-season after they've had a break from football. There will also be transfers out, say up to four first teamers. And we would need to enhance the squad with four extra players to compete in the Europa Cup given what has happened to Newcastle and Swansea in the past. So possibly six to eight new faces needed and to be bedded in before the start of the season.

Do we really need the Europa Cup? It could be a real strain on our resources and get us into a relegation battle. Next season might be a better time to try and qualify for the Europa if we can't get into the top four or five and make it into the Champions League.

And I'm still annoyed about our cup performance at Sunderland!
But I thought you said you don't like our performances, full-stop. Isn't that why you didn't renew your season ticket this season?
No I don't like the way we play and that is the reason I didn't renew my season ticket this season. I don't like Spanish football. I much prefer to see a winger say like Everton, Spurs or Liverpool use, much more entertaining than our possession football where we seem to win games on performance stats but we don't score enough goals to pick up three points.

Each home game at Saints cost me £70 gross to watch last season and I didn't think that was value for money. Although I could afford it. Mind you I don't live in Southampton and I have to travel to games and pay for parking etc. If I did live within walking distance of the ground I probably would have renewed my ticket. But I still wouldn't be enjoying the way we play. We have a worse home record than Crystal Palace and don't convert possession into goals.

As for the cup game, like many people I was immensely disappointed in particular about the team selection and our inability to beat a poor Sunderland side that was set up to lose. Poyet more or less said he would be happy to lose. I also didn't like Poch's statement about the Europa Cup, albeit a personal one. Why say that before a cup tie? And then contradict yourself after the game has been lost, I think I know why. Not down to him.

So that's my position. I still want us to win every game and I will always be STID. But I just don't like Spanish football. To make it entertaining it needs a Messi. Even then I would still prefer to see a winger. My personal preference would be for Liverpool to win the PL this year but to lose against us on Saturday.

COYR
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: We desperately need someone to convert chances into goals if we are to start accumulating points That someone should have been Dani Osvaldo. So now it is down to SRL and Jayrod. I hope they can make a step improvement, but I really don't see it. And I still don't believe the club want to do it. We could have between five and seven players on World Cup duty, which means they will be late back for the pre-season after they've had a break from football. There will also be transfers out, say up to four first teamers. And we would need to enhance the squad with four extra players to compete in the Europa Cup given what has happened to Newcastle and Swansea in the past. So possibly six to eight new faces needed and to be bedded in before the start of the season. Do we really need the Europa Cup? It could be a real strain on our resources and get us into a relegation battle. Next season might be a better time to try and qualify for the Europa if we can't get into the top four or five and make it into the Champions League. And I'm still annoyed about our cup performance at Sunderland![/p][/quote]But I thought you said you don't like our performances, full-stop. Isn't that why you didn't renew your season ticket this season?[/p][/quote]No I don't like the way we play and that is the reason I didn't renew my season ticket this season. I don't like Spanish football. I much prefer to see a winger say like Everton, Spurs or Liverpool use, much more entertaining than our possession football where we seem to win games on performance stats but we don't score enough goals to pick up three points. Each home game at Saints cost me £70 gross to watch last season and I didn't think that was value for money. Although I could afford it. Mind you I don't live in Southampton and I have to travel to games and pay for parking etc. If I did live within walking distance of the ground I probably would have renewed my ticket. But I still wouldn't be enjoying the way we play. We have a worse home record than Crystal Palace and don't convert possession into goals. As for the cup game, like many people I was immensely disappointed in particular about the team selection and our inability to beat a poor Sunderland side that was set up to lose. Poyet more or less said he would be happy to lose. I also didn't like Poch's statement about the Europa Cup, albeit a personal one. Why say that before a cup tie? And then contradict yourself after the game has been lost, I think I know why. Not down to him. So that's my position. I still want us to win every game and I will always be STID. But I just don't like Spanish football. To make it entertaining it needs a Messi. Even then I would still prefer to see a winger. My personal preference would be for Liverpool to win the PL this year but to lose against us on Saturday. COYR george chivers

1:15pm Tue 25 Feb 14

george chivers says...

Saint-Mike wrote:
george chivers wrote:
We desperately need someone to convert chances into goals if we are to start accumulating points That someone should have been Dani Osvaldo. So now it is down to SRL and Jayrod. I hope they can make a step improvement, but I really don't see it. And I still don't believe the club want to do it. We could have between five and seven players on World Cup duty, which means they will be late back for the pre-season after they've had a break from football. There will also be transfers out, say up to four first teamers. And we would need to enhance the squad with four extra players to compete in the Europa Cup given what has happened to Newcastle and Swansea in the past. So possibly six to eight new faces needed and to be bedded in before the start of the season.

Do we really need the Europa Cup? It could be a real strain on our resources and get us into a relegation battle. Next season might be a better time to try and qualify for the Europa if we can't get into the top four or five and make it into the Champions League.

And I'm still annoyed about our cup performance at Sunderland!
So now it is down to Lambert and Rodrigues you say?? What about a young lad named Gallagher? I would like to see the boy given a run in the team.
So would I and good luck to him if he does get a run. But it's up to the senior pro's to deliver the goods in terms of goals. That is what they are paid for and at the moment they aren't doing it.
[quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: We desperately need someone to convert chances into goals if we are to start accumulating points That someone should have been Dani Osvaldo. So now it is down to SRL and Jayrod. I hope they can make a step improvement, but I really don't see it. And I still don't believe the club want to do it. We could have between five and seven players on World Cup duty, which means they will be late back for the pre-season after they've had a break from football. There will also be transfers out, say up to four first teamers. And we would need to enhance the squad with four extra players to compete in the Europa Cup given what has happened to Newcastle and Swansea in the past. So possibly six to eight new faces needed and to be bedded in before the start of the season. Do we really need the Europa Cup? It could be a real strain on our resources and get us into a relegation battle. Next season might be a better time to try and qualify for the Europa if we can't get into the top four or five and make it into the Champions League. And I'm still annoyed about our cup performance at Sunderland![/p][/quote]So now it is down to Lambert and Rodrigues you say?? What about a young lad named Gallagher? I would like to see the boy given a run in the team.[/p][/quote]So would I and good luck to him if he does get a run. But it's up to the senior pro's to deliver the goods in terms of goals. That is what they are paid for and at the moment they aren't doing it. george chivers

1:37pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Saintsayer II says...

saint Compo wrote:
The last thing we want is to play in the Europa Mickey Mouse Cup - a recipe for relegation disaster. MP has made it pretty clear that he doesn't want it.

We should continue to target a high finish in the Premier League and gradually strengthen the squad but somehow avoid qualifying for anything less than the Champions League.

COYR
So why bother entering any domestic cup competition ?
We must adopt the european attitude to the Europa League ang go for it as a learning curve leading eventually to CL
[quote][p][bold]saint Compo[/bold] wrote: The last thing we want is to play in the Europa Mickey Mouse Cup - a recipe for relegation disaster. MP has made it pretty clear that he doesn't want it. We should continue to target a high finish in the Premier League and gradually strengthen the squad but somehow avoid qualifying for anything less than the Champions League. COYR[/p][/quote]So why bother entering any domestic cup competition ? We must adopt the european attitude to the Europa League ang go for it as a learning curve leading eventually to CL Saintsayer II

2:00pm Tue 25 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

george chivers wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
george chivers wrote:
We desperately need someone to convert chances into goals if we are to start accumulating points That someone should have been Dani Osvaldo. So now it is down to SRL and Jayrod. I hope they can make a step improvement, but I really don't see it. And I still don't believe the club want to do it. We could have between five and seven players on World Cup duty, which means they will be late back for the pre-season after they've had a break from football. There will also be transfers out, say up to four first teamers. And we would need to enhance the squad with four extra players to compete in the Europa Cup given what has happened to Newcastle and Swansea in the past. So possibly six to eight new faces needed and to be bedded in before the start of the season.

Do we really need the Europa Cup? It could be a real strain on our resources and get us into a relegation battle. Next season might be a better time to try and qualify for the Europa if we can't get into the top four or five and make it into the Champions League.

And I'm still annoyed about our cup performance at Sunderland!
But I thought you said you don't like our performances, full-stop. Isn't that why you didn't renew your season ticket this season?
No I don't like the way we play and that is the reason I didn't renew my season ticket this season. I don't like Spanish football. I much prefer to see a winger say like Everton, Spurs or Liverpool use, much more entertaining than our possession football where we seem to win games on performance stats but we don't score enough goals to pick up three points.

Each home game at Saints cost me £70 gross to watch last season and I didn't think that was value for money. Although I could afford it. Mind you I don't live in Southampton and I have to travel to games and pay for parking etc. If I did live within walking distance of the ground I probably would have renewed my ticket. But I still wouldn't be enjoying the way we play. We have a worse home record than Crystal Palace and don't convert possession into goals.

As for the cup game, like many people I was immensely disappointed in particular about the team selection and our inability to beat a poor Sunderland side that was set up to lose. Poyet more or less said he would be happy to lose. I also didn't like Poch's statement about the Europa Cup, albeit a personal one. Why say that before a cup tie? And then contradict yourself after the game has been lost, I think I know why. Not down to him.

So that's my position. I still want us to win every game and I will always be STID. But I just don't like Spanish football. To make it entertaining it needs a Messi. Even then I would still prefer to see a winger. My personal preference would be for Liverpool to win the PL this year but to lose against us on Saturday.

COYR
we don't have a worse home record than palace, they have won 20pts at home and so have we. if your talking about games won then yes they have won 1 more game than us, that would then give them the same home record as manure, spuds and Newcastle! they have however lost the same amount as they have won (6) that's 3 more than us. I would say losing more games gives you a worse home record! I would much rather see a team draw than lose.

you don't have to like the way we play that's your choice. however we have won many plaudits from most of the pundits, even lawro and merson have praised the way we play. I happen to love it. we also played a style of the possession game under NA but we didn't have the same attacking mentality and we were letting in too many goals. we all like different styles though that's whats great about this game. here are even those who like how wet spam play!
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: We desperately need someone to convert chances into goals if we are to start accumulating points That someone should have been Dani Osvaldo. So now it is down to SRL and Jayrod. I hope they can make a step improvement, but I really don't see it. And I still don't believe the club want to do it. We could have between five and seven players on World Cup duty, which means they will be late back for the pre-season after they've had a break from football. There will also be transfers out, say up to four first teamers. And we would need to enhance the squad with four extra players to compete in the Europa Cup given what has happened to Newcastle and Swansea in the past. So possibly six to eight new faces needed and to be bedded in before the start of the season. Do we really need the Europa Cup? It could be a real strain on our resources and get us into a relegation battle. Next season might be a better time to try and qualify for the Europa if we can't get into the top four or five and make it into the Champions League. And I'm still annoyed about our cup performance at Sunderland![/p][/quote]But I thought you said you don't like our performances, full-stop. Isn't that why you didn't renew your season ticket this season?[/p][/quote]No I don't like the way we play and that is the reason I didn't renew my season ticket this season. I don't like Spanish football. I much prefer to see a winger say like Everton, Spurs or Liverpool use, much more entertaining than our possession football where we seem to win games on performance stats but we don't score enough goals to pick up three points. Each home game at Saints cost me £70 gross to watch last season and I didn't think that was value for money. Although I could afford it. Mind you I don't live in Southampton and I have to travel to games and pay for parking etc. If I did live within walking distance of the ground I probably would have renewed my ticket. But I still wouldn't be enjoying the way we play. We have a worse home record than Crystal Palace and don't convert possession into goals. As for the cup game, like many people I was immensely disappointed in particular about the team selection and our inability to beat a poor Sunderland side that was set up to lose. Poyet more or less said he would be happy to lose. I also didn't like Poch's statement about the Europa Cup, albeit a personal one. Why say that before a cup tie? And then contradict yourself after the game has been lost, I think I know why. Not down to him. So that's my position. I still want us to win every game and I will always be STID. But I just don't like Spanish football. To make it entertaining it needs a Messi. Even then I would still prefer to see a winger. My personal preference would be for Liverpool to win the PL this year but to lose against us on Saturday. COYR[/p][/quote]we don't have a worse home record than palace, they have won 20pts at home and so have we. if your talking about games won then yes they have won 1 more game than us, that would then give them the same home record as manure, spuds and Newcastle! they have however lost the same amount as they have won (6) that's 3 more than us. I would say losing more games gives you a worse home record! I would much rather see a team draw than lose. you don't have to like the way we play that's your choice. however we have won many plaudits from most of the pundits, even lawro and merson have praised the way we play. I happen to love it. we also played a style of the possession game under NA but we didn't have the same attacking mentality and we were letting in too many goals. we all like different styles though that's whats great about this game. here are even those who like how wet spam play! el caballo santos101

2:59pm Tue 25 Feb 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

george chivers wrote:
Saint-Mike wrote:
george chivers wrote:
We desperately need someone to convert chances into goals if we are to start accumulating points That someone should have been Dani Osvaldo. So now it is down to SRL and Jayrod. I hope they can make a step improvement, but I really don't see it. And I still don't believe the club want to do it. We could have between five and seven players on World Cup duty, which means they will be late back for the pre-season after they've had a break from football. There will also be transfers out, say up to four first teamers. And we would need to enhance the squad with four extra players to compete in the Europa Cup given what has happened to Newcastle and Swansea in the past. So possibly six to eight new faces needed and to be bedded in before the start of the season.

Do we really need the Europa Cup? It could be a real strain on our resources and get us into a relegation battle. Next season might be a better time to try and qualify for the Europa if we can't get into the top four or five and make it into the Champions League.

And I'm still annoyed about our cup performance at Sunderland!
So now it is down to Lambert and Rodrigues you say?? What about a young lad named Gallagher? I would like to see the boy given a run in the team.
So would I and good luck to him if he does get a run. But it's up to the senior pro's to deliver the goods in terms of goals. That is what they are paid for and at the moment they aren't doing it.
However their pay isn't coming from your wallet is it? Armchair management is the cheapest form of criticism.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: We desperately need someone to convert chances into goals if we are to start accumulating points That someone should have been Dani Osvaldo. So now it is down to SRL and Jayrod. I hope they can make a step improvement, but I really don't see it. And I still don't believe the club want to do it. We could have between five and seven players on World Cup duty, which means they will be late back for the pre-season after they've had a break from football. There will also be transfers out, say up to four first teamers. And we would need to enhance the squad with four extra players to compete in the Europa Cup given what has happened to Newcastle and Swansea in the past. So possibly six to eight new faces needed and to be bedded in before the start of the season. Do we really need the Europa Cup? It could be a real strain on our resources and get us into a relegation battle. Next season might be a better time to try and qualify for the Europa if we can't get into the top four or five and make it into the Champions League. And I'm still annoyed about our cup performance at Sunderland![/p][/quote]So now it is down to Lambert and Rodrigues you say?? What about a young lad named Gallagher? I would like to see the boy given a run in the team.[/p][/quote]So would I and good luck to him if he does get a run. But it's up to the senior pro's to deliver the goods in terms of goals. That is what they are paid for and at the moment they aren't doing it.[/p][/quote]However their pay isn't coming from your wallet is it? Armchair management is the cheapest form of criticism. OSPREYSAINT

3:07pm Tue 25 Feb 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
saint Compo wrote:
The last thing we want is to play in the Europa Mickey Mouse Cup - a recipe for relegation disaster. MP has made it pretty clear that he doesn't want it.

We should continue to target a high finish in the Premier League and gradually strengthen the squad but somehow avoid qualifying for anything less than the Champions League.

COYR
So why bother entering any domestic cup competition ?
We must adopt the european attitude to the Europa League ang go for it as a learning curve leading eventually to CL
I don't think the Domestic Cup Competitions are an option, they are part of the Premier League bundle. As for European qualification, we should only be entering that once we have a Squad that could cope, we can barely hold our own in the Premier, once a couple of 1st choice players pick up injuries. We must wait for the Summer window to see which way we are going to proceed. However a European qualification would surely encourage a dip into the market for some quality signings and we all have our own views about where we need to strengthen.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint Compo[/bold] wrote: The last thing we want is to play in the Europa Mickey Mouse Cup - a recipe for relegation disaster. MP has made it pretty clear that he doesn't want it. We should continue to target a high finish in the Premier League and gradually strengthen the squad but somehow avoid qualifying for anything less than the Champions League. COYR[/p][/quote]So why bother entering any domestic cup competition ? We must adopt the european attitude to the Europa League ang go for it as a learning curve leading eventually to CL[/p][/quote]I don't think the Domestic Cup Competitions are an option, they are part of the Premier League bundle. As for European qualification, we should only be entering that once we have a Squad that could cope, we can barely hold our own in the Premier, once a couple of 1st choice players pick up injuries. We must wait for the Summer window to see which way we are going to proceed. However a European qualification would surely encourage a dip into the market for some quality signings and we all have our own views about where we need to strengthen. OSPREYSAINT

3:29pm Tue 25 Feb 14

saint phil says...

I would take 8th this season and sort out who needs to be moved on and bring in new players.
I would take 8th this season and sort out who needs to be moved on and bring in new players. saint phil

6:49pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Saint-Mike says...

george chivers wrote:
Saint-Mike wrote:
george chivers wrote:
We desperately need someone to convert chances into goals if we are to start accumulating points That someone should have been Dani Osvaldo. So now it is down to SRL and Jayrod. I hope they can make a step improvement, but I really don't see it. And I still don't believe the club want to do it. We could have between five and seven players on World Cup duty, which means they will be late back for the pre-season after they've had a break from football. There will also be transfers out, say up to four first teamers. And we would need to enhance the squad with four extra players to compete in the Europa Cup given what has happened to Newcastle and Swansea in the past. So possibly six to eight new faces needed and to be bedded in before the start of the season.

Do we really need the Europa Cup? It could be a real strain on our resources and get us into a relegation battle. Next season might be a better time to try and qualify for the Europa if we can't get into the top four or five and make it into the Champions League.

And I'm still annoyed about our cup performance at Sunderland!
So now it is down to Lambert and Rodrigues you say?? What about a young lad named Gallagher? I would like to see the boy given a run in the team.
So would I and good luck to him if he does get a run. But it's up to the senior pro's to deliver the goods in terms of goals. That is what they are paid for and at the moment they aren't doing it.
I bet you 50p that Gallagher scores more goals than either Rickie or JRod between now and the end of the season.....provided he gets a similar number of games.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: We desperately need someone to convert chances into goals if we are to start accumulating points That someone should have been Dani Osvaldo. So now it is down to SRL and Jayrod. I hope they can make a step improvement, but I really don't see it. And I still don't believe the club want to do it. We could have between five and seven players on World Cup duty, which means they will be late back for the pre-season after they've had a break from football. There will also be transfers out, say up to four first teamers. And we would need to enhance the squad with four extra players to compete in the Europa Cup given what has happened to Newcastle and Swansea in the past. So possibly six to eight new faces needed and to be bedded in before the start of the season. Do we really need the Europa Cup? It could be a real strain on our resources and get us into a relegation battle. Next season might be a better time to try and qualify for the Europa if we can't get into the top four or five and make it into the Champions League. And I'm still annoyed about our cup performance at Sunderland![/p][/quote]So now it is down to Lambert and Rodrigues you say?? What about a young lad named Gallagher? I would like to see the boy given a run in the team.[/p][/quote]So would I and good luck to him if he does get a run. But it's up to the senior pro's to deliver the goods in terms of goals. That is what they are paid for and at the moment they aren't doing it.[/p][/quote]I bet you 50p that Gallagher scores more goals than either Rickie or JRod between now and the end of the season.....provided he gets a similar number of games. Saint-Mike

8:12pm Tue 25 Feb 14

george chivers says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Saint-Mike wrote:
george chivers wrote:
We desperately need someone to convert chances into goals if we are to start accumulating points That someone should have been Dani Osvaldo. So now it is down to SRL and Jayrod. I hope they can make a step improvement, but I really don't see it. And I still don't believe the club want to do it. We could have between five and seven players on World Cup duty, which means they will be late back for the pre-season after they've had a break from football. There will also be transfers out, say up to four first teamers. And we would need to enhance the squad with four extra players to compete in the Europa Cup given what has happened to Newcastle and Swansea in the past. So possibly six to eight new faces needed and to be bedded in before the start of the season.

Do we really need the Europa Cup? It could be a real strain on our resources and get us into a relegation battle. Next season might be a better time to try and qualify for the Europa if we can't get into the top four or five and make it into the Champions League.

And I'm still annoyed about our cup performance at Sunderland!
So now it is down to Lambert and Rodrigues you say?? What about a young lad named Gallagher? I would like to see the boy given a run in the team.
So would I and good luck to him if he does get a run. But it's up to the senior pro's to deliver the goods in terms of goals. That is what they are paid for and at the moment they aren't doing it.
However their pay isn't coming from your wallet is it? Armchair management is the cheapest form of criticism.
Football is about opinions especially where supporters or fans are concerned. I am no longer a supporter because I don't go matches, I am now a fan. But that doesn't make my opinions invalid or different than they would be if I was paying to go to games.

As for armchair management. Everybody on here is an armchair manager at some point. After all there is only one manager. Poch.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: We desperately need someone to convert chances into goals if we are to start accumulating points That someone should have been Dani Osvaldo. So now it is down to SRL and Jayrod. I hope they can make a step improvement, but I really don't see it. And I still don't believe the club want to do it. We could have between five and seven players on World Cup duty, which means they will be late back for the pre-season after they've had a break from football. There will also be transfers out, say up to four first teamers. And we would need to enhance the squad with four extra players to compete in the Europa Cup given what has happened to Newcastle and Swansea in the past. So possibly six to eight new faces needed and to be bedded in before the start of the season. Do we really need the Europa Cup? It could be a real strain on our resources and get us into a relegation battle. Next season might be a better time to try and qualify for the Europa if we can't get into the top four or five and make it into the Champions League. And I'm still annoyed about our cup performance at Sunderland![/p][/quote]So now it is down to Lambert and Rodrigues you say?? What about a young lad named Gallagher? I would like to see the boy given a run in the team.[/p][/quote]So would I and good luck to him if he does get a run. But it's up to the senior pro's to deliver the goods in terms of goals. That is what they are paid for and at the moment they aren't doing it.[/p][/quote]However their pay isn't coming from your wallet is it? Armchair management is the cheapest form of criticism.[/p][/quote]Football is about opinions especially where supporters or fans are concerned. I am no longer a supporter because I don't go matches, I am now a fan. But that doesn't make my opinions invalid or different than they would be if I was paying to go to games. As for armchair management. Everybody on here is an armchair manager at some point. After all there is only one manager. Poch. george chivers

8:17pm Tue 25 Feb 14

george chivers says...

Saint-Mike wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Saint-Mike wrote:
george chivers wrote:
We desperately need someone to convert chances into goals if we are to start accumulating points That someone should have been Dani Osvaldo. So now it is down to SRL and Jayrod. I hope they can make a step improvement, but I really don't see it. And I still don't believe the club want to do it. We could have between five and seven players on World Cup duty, which means they will be late back for the pre-season after they've had a break from football. There will also be transfers out, say up to four first teamers. And we would need to enhance the squad with four extra players to compete in the Europa Cup given what has happened to Newcastle and Swansea in the past. So possibly six to eight new faces needed and to be bedded in before the start of the season.

Do we really need the Europa Cup? It could be a real strain on our resources and get us into a relegation battle. Next season might be a better time to try and qualify for the Europa if we can't get into the top four or five and make it into the Champions League.

And I'm still annoyed about our cup performance at Sunderland!
So now it is down to Lambert and Rodrigues you say?? What about a young lad named Gallagher? I would like to see the boy given a run in the team.
So would I and good luck to him if he does get a run. But it's up to the senior pro's to deliver the goods in terms of goals. That is what they are paid for and at the moment they aren't doing it.
I bet you 50p that Gallagher scores more goals than either Rickie or JRod between now and the end of the season.....provided he gets a similar number of games.
Let's hope you are right. It would be good for another young player to come through. I'm sue he will be playing for two people when he gets on the park. Are you a relative?
[quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: We desperately need someone to convert chances into goals if we are to start accumulating points That someone should have been Dani Osvaldo. So now it is down to SRL and Jayrod. I hope they can make a step improvement, but I really don't see it. And I still don't believe the club want to do it. We could have between five and seven players on World Cup duty, which means they will be late back for the pre-season after they've had a break from football. There will also be transfers out, say up to four first teamers. And we would need to enhance the squad with four extra players to compete in the Europa Cup given what has happened to Newcastle and Swansea in the past. So possibly six to eight new faces needed and to be bedded in before the start of the season. Do we really need the Europa Cup? It could be a real strain on our resources and get us into a relegation battle. Next season might be a better time to try and qualify for the Europa if we can't get into the top four or five and make it into the Champions League. And I'm still annoyed about our cup performance at Sunderland![/p][/quote]So now it is down to Lambert and Rodrigues you say?? What about a young lad named Gallagher? I would like to see the boy given a run in the team.[/p][/quote]So would I and good luck to him if he does get a run. But it's up to the senior pro's to deliver the goods in terms of goals. That is what they are paid for and at the moment they aren't doing it.[/p][/quote]I bet you 50p that Gallagher scores more goals than either Rickie or JRod between now and the end of the season.....provided he gets a similar number of games.[/p][/quote]Let's hope you are right. It would be good for another young player to come through. I'm sue he will be playing for two people when he gets on the park. Are you a relative? george chivers

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