New chief respects Saints' tradition

Daily Echo: Ralph Krueger and Katharina Liebherr at St Mary’s this week Ralph Krueger and Katharina Liebherr at St Mary’s this week

Saints’ new management have promised to “bring the history back” to the club.

Owner Katharina Liebherr unveiled a fresh board of directors this week, with chairman Ralph Krueger saying he wants tradition to play an important role at St Mary’s.

That was not something which was always felt under the rule of his predecessor, Nicola Cortese.

Krueger, however, acknowledged that his words only mean so much, and that it would be actions that proved the most important thing.

“I have always been one to embrace history,” he said. “It can work for you, especially in sports.

“It is deeply rooted here, and generations of families have been coming to the Saints. “Let’s use that.

“But I am just speaking air right now. Let’s do something about it.”

Krueger, a Canadian-born German, added: “One of the things we, and I, respect tremendously is I’m coming to an organisation that’s only 18 years younger than the country I was born in.

“That’s a pretty amazing thing, being born in Canada and sitting here in front of you today.

“To come into an organisation that’s 18 years younger than Canada, it’s something that I respect tremendously, and that’s going to be a powerful tool for us to use, and we just have to decide how it’s best applied.”

While Krueger would like to see a nod to the past, he wants it coupled with a modern way of thinking – although that does not automatically mean changing the fundamental identity of the club.

He said: “That’s what I’m saying to you, is how do we apply that in the new?

“So it’s not about taking the (Saints) logo and saying ‘let’s make it new’.

“Let’s take this logo, which is so historic, and let’s apply it in the new, in a different way and take different angles.

“We want people to be creative and out of that comes innovation, and out of that comes out-of-the-box (thinking), but always respecting what has happened here and taking that with us, and let that be a foundation that we build on.”

Krueger sees potential similarities between Saints and the Green Bay Packers NFL franchise – an organisation that operates in a small-market city, but which is steeped in tradition and often punches above its perceived weight.

“If we took NFL football, we can be a little bit like the sentimental favourite in the organisation, like the Green Bay Packers,” he said.

“It is a small organisation, doesn't have all the options of the big clubs, but they won the Super Bowl.”

In terms of next season’s kit, where many people would like to see the club revert to stripes, Krueger said it was too early to know how that would evolve.

But he insisted he is keen to listen to what supporters want.

“I see my responsibility as the communication, that is my primary goal, and one of the things is to bring the history back,” he said.

“We will give the fans a forum to communicate with us. The interactive communication with the fans is something you will feel very quickly, but let it be honest.

“We are not coming in to be applauded and for everyone to say ‘super’. Let us know what you are thinking.”

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7:11am Fri 14 Mar 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

He is treading a fine line. He seems to be saying we want to do well but we are not in the same league as the big boys so we have to find another way. Not really sure what to make of him. Personally, I feel the history of the club is already with us fans. Its there. Its an indelible part of us. Its who we are. Without us Saints wouldn't be anything. It wouldn't even be here. So why does he make such a big thing about it? Yes, its great that he recognises that the club has a history, but what all fans want to know about is what the future holds. We have been on an amazing journey these last few years and I think most of us want to see that amazing journey continue. We don't want to go back to the good old bad old days under Lowe, Branfoot and a succession of other second rate managers, playing bottom half or relegation football and selling our best players. We want to be up there winning things and competing with the best. Will we get it under this management? That's what I want to know. All this, I love KL and Saints history seems too much like a bloke trying to ingratiate himself. Just deliver mate; that's all we want the Chairman to do.
He is treading a fine line. He seems to be saying we want to do well but we are not in the same league as the big boys so we have to find another way. Not really sure what to make of him. Personally, I feel the history of the club is already with us fans. Its there. Its an indelible part of us. Its who we are. Without us Saints wouldn't be anything. It wouldn't even be here. So why does he make such a big thing about it? Yes, its great that he recognises that the club has a history, but what all fans want to know about is what the future holds. We have been on an amazing journey these last few years and I think most of us want to see that amazing journey continue. We don't want to go back to the good old bad old days under Lowe, Branfoot and a succession of other second rate managers, playing bottom half or relegation football and selling our best players. We want to be up there winning things and competing with the best. Will we get it under this management? That's what I want to know. All this, I love KL and Saints history seems too much like a bloke trying to ingratiate himself. Just deliver mate; that's all we want the Chairman to do. Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: -36

7:45am Fri 14 Mar 14

Little Hitler says...

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
He is treading a fine line. He seems to be saying we want to do well but we are not in the same league as the big boys so we have to find another way. Not really sure what to make of him. Personally, I feel the history of the club is already with us fans. Its there. Its an indelible part of us. Its who we are. Without us Saints wouldn't be anything. It wouldn't even be here. So why does he make such a big thing about it? Yes, its great that he recognises that the club has a history, but what all fans want to know about is what the future holds. We have been on an amazing journey these last few years and I think most of us want to see that amazing journey continue. We don't want to go back to the good old bad old days under Lowe, Branfoot and a succession of other second rate managers, playing bottom half or relegation football and selling our best players. We want to be up there winning things and competing with the best. Will we get it under this management? That's what I want to know. All this, I love KL and Saints history seems too much like a bloke trying to ingratiate himself. Just deliver mate; that's all we want the Chairman to do.
You've done a good job in writing a lengthy post with not a single thing I agree with.

I'm getting really good vibes from this guy and see this week as a tremendous step forward for us. It seems clear to me that he is to KL what Cortese was to her dad. They're clearly very different pairings but they share the same close bond which can only be a good thing if you ask me. He now needs to do the same with MP and the rest of the club's staff and off we go.

He's already clearly building a vision for the club based on a sound commercial footing and I'm quite happy for it to have more than a passing nod to our proud history.
[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: He is treading a fine line. He seems to be saying we want to do well but we are not in the same league as the big boys so we have to find another way. Not really sure what to make of him. Personally, I feel the history of the club is already with us fans. Its there. Its an indelible part of us. Its who we are. Without us Saints wouldn't be anything. It wouldn't even be here. So why does he make such a big thing about it? Yes, its great that he recognises that the club has a history, but what all fans want to know about is what the future holds. We have been on an amazing journey these last few years and I think most of us want to see that amazing journey continue. We don't want to go back to the good old bad old days under Lowe, Branfoot and a succession of other second rate managers, playing bottom half or relegation football and selling our best players. We want to be up there winning things and competing with the best. Will we get it under this management? That's what I want to know. All this, I love KL and Saints history seems too much like a bloke trying to ingratiate himself. Just deliver mate; that's all we want the Chairman to do.[/p][/quote]You've done a good job in writing a lengthy post with not a single thing I agree with. I'm getting really good vibes from this guy and see this week as a tremendous step forward for us. It seems clear to me that he is to KL what Cortese was to her dad. They're clearly very different pairings but they share the same close bond which can only be a good thing if you ask me. He now needs to do the same with MP and the rest of the club's staff and off we go. He's already clearly building a vision for the club based on a sound commercial footing and I'm quite happy for it to have more than a passing nod to our proud history. Little Hitler
  • Score: 45

7:54am Fri 14 Mar 14

chapelsaint says...

Lets hope he brings back our traditional stripes.
Lets hope he brings back our traditional stripes. chapelsaint
  • Score: 32

8:38am Fri 14 Mar 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

What do people think?

Personally, I think tradition and history are a vital part of what makes something like Saints what it IS. Having met a few of the club historians, it's clear that they do an incredible job and their books are great testiments to our club. NC didn't totally ignore this but his mistake was that he hardly ever showed his support.

However, what he DID do was to show that our club was forward looking. If Katharina and Ralph can do that while keeping hold of our history and tradition, then all will be well.

What did split the fan base but where, personally, I felt NC was right, is with the freebies to former players. If I have to struggle to get (let alone afford) tickets, then (with the possible exception of maybe one ticket per year and open access to buying a few extras for the same match for family and friends) former players - beit Matt or Ali Di - should have to pay and queue as well.
What do people think? Personally, I think tradition and history are a vital part of what makes something like Saints what it IS. Having met a few of the club historians, it's clear that they do an incredible job and their books are great testiments to our club. NC didn't totally ignore this but his mistake was that he hardly ever showed his support. However, what he DID do was to show that our club was forward looking. If Katharina and Ralph can do that while keeping hold of our history and tradition, then all will be well. What did split the fan base but where, personally, I felt NC was right, is with the freebies to former players. If I have to struggle to get (let alone afford) tickets, then (with the possible exception of maybe one ticket per year and open access to buying a few extras for the same match for family and friends) former players - beit Matt or Ali Di - should have to pay and queue as well. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 5

8:41am Fri 14 Mar 14

miltonarcher says...

On the history theme get rid of the pictures along the concours and put up images from our glorious history, players, not pictures of the crowd.
On the history theme get rid of the pictures along the concours and put up images from our glorious history, players, not pictures of the crowd. miltonarcher
  • Score: 23

9:44am Fri 14 Mar 14

Dave Juson says...

Speaking as a Club historian and a contributor to the programme, I got the impression that Nicola Cortese (not that I was ever privileged to meet him, never mind discuss the matter with him) was happy with the Club’s history and had no problem with it being promoted, it was the nostalgia and those who fobbed it off as the Club’s “traditions” that he found tedious.
Speaking as a Club historian and a contributor to the programme, I got the impression that Nicola Cortese (not that I was ever privileged to meet him, never mind discuss the matter with him) was happy with the Club’s history and had no problem with it being promoted, it was the nostalgia and those who fobbed it off as the Club’s “traditions” that he found tedious. Dave Juson
  • Score: 10

9:59am Fri 14 Mar 14

worried of n e hampshire says...

Stripes!
Stripes! worried of n e hampshire
  • Score: 10

10:02am Fri 14 Mar 14

bartley41 says...

1 Get back to the Stripes

2 A smaller size match day program , clearer print and less errors.
More information about the visiting team, see the Newcastle v Saints

3 Clearer public address system, in the Kingsland Stand it is hardly audible, suspect it is only checked when the Stadium is empty.

4 The prematch and half time entertainment is simply dire, the guy with the hand held mike just shouts!
1 Get back to the Stripes 2 A smaller size match day program , clearer print and less errors. More information about the visiting team, see the Newcastle v Saints 3 Clearer public address system, in the Kingsland Stand it is hardly audible, suspect it is only checked when the Stadium is empty. 4 The prematch and half time entertainment is simply dire, the guy with the hand held mike just shouts! bartley41
  • Score: 9

10:22am Fri 14 Mar 14

Confucious says...

Dave Juson wrote:
Speaking as a Club historian and a contributor to the programme, I got the impression that Nicola Cortese (not that I was ever privileged to meet him, never mind discuss the matter with him) was happy with the Club’s history and had no problem with it being promoted, it was the nostalgia and those who fobbed it off as the Club’s “traditions” that he found tedious.
To be fair I do think we have a long history of being nostalgic. Indeed it's an embedded tradition that every generation of fans think there was a golden era which ended about 20 years previously.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: Speaking as a Club historian and a contributor to the programme, I got the impression that Nicola Cortese (not that I was ever privileged to meet him, never mind discuss the matter with him) was happy with the Club’s history and had no problem with it being promoted, it was the nostalgia and those who fobbed it off as the Club’s “traditions” that he found tedious.[/p][/quote]To be fair I do think we have a long history of being nostalgic. Indeed it's an embedded tradition that every generation of fans think there was a golden era which ended about 20 years previously. Confucious
  • Score: 4

10:25am Fri 14 Mar 14

fritzer says...

Well said Dave, that was the sort of man that he is/was, may be it's a bit early yet to compare this feller, I will be happy if he brings back the red and white stripes myself and have a bit more time for people lke your self who has put in many many hours of your own time in researching the clubs history.
Well said Dave, that was the sort of man that he is/was, may be it's a bit early yet to compare this feller, I will be happy if he brings back the red and white stripes myself and have a bit more time for people lke your self who has put in many many hours of your own time in researching the clubs history. fritzer
  • Score: 4

10:26am Fri 14 Mar 14

Confucious says...

Comparing how things have gone in recent times compared to less recent times it seems to me those red shirts are very lucky. Give me a win in red over a loss in stripes any day.
Comparing how things have gone in recent times compared to less recent times it seems to me those red shirts are very lucky. Give me a win in red over a loss in stripes any day. Confucious
  • Score: 2

10:55am Fri 14 Mar 14

Southampton boy says...

Look no matter who is in charge what we want as fans is a club that will look forward and compete with other teams for the right to be top, we need to keep are players we need to get other playrs to want to come to us and play for us that is the right players. Look at your top clubs thay have a Prem side willing to sit on the bench and wait for their chance to play for the club why is that it is they know that the could win something.
We need this with Saints do you as a fan feel tha we are out to win something lookat this year with FA cup put out a resv side that looked and played like a championsip side not a prem side, this is why players like Luke will move on you want to play with the est you want to win silver.
But I hae suppoted saints since I can remember and will until i die so make the last years of my llife, a time to celibrate see you all tomorrow at teh ground and another 3 points
Look no matter who is in charge what we want as fans is a club that will look forward and compete with other teams for the right to be top, we need to keep are players we need to get other playrs to want to come to us and play for us that is the right players. Look at your top clubs thay have a Prem side willing to sit on the bench and wait for their chance to play for the club why is that it is they know that the could win something. We need this with Saints do you as a fan feel tha we are out to win something lookat this year with FA cup put out a resv side that looked and played like a championsip side not a prem side, this is why players like Luke will move on you want to play with the est you want to win silver. But I hae suppoted saints since I can remember and will until i die so make the last years of my llife, a time to celibrate see you all tomorrow at teh ground and another 3 points Southampton boy
  • Score: 3

11:04am Fri 14 Mar 14

Dave Juson says...

Confucious wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Speaking as a Club historian and a contributor to the programme, I got the impression that Nicola Cortese (not that I was ever privileged to meet him, never mind discuss the matter with him) was happy with the Club’s history and had no problem with it being promoted, it was the nostalgia and those who fobbed it off as the Club’s “traditions” that he found tedious.
To be fair I do think we have a long history of being nostalgic. Indeed it's an embedded tradition that every generation of fans think there was a golden era which ended about 20 years previously.
Spot on Confucious. And I do not have a problem with that. But I do have a problem with individuals and groups using their conception of the Club’s “history” – more usually badly informed than not – as a basis of criticism of those who run the Club or those who hold conflicting ideas about how it should be run. And I am afraid that this has happened a good deal over the past decade and caused a great deal of unnecessary disruption and animosity.
The worst culprits are convinced Southampton FC did not exist before 1974.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: Speaking as a Club historian and a contributor to the programme, I got the impression that Nicola Cortese (not that I was ever privileged to meet him, never mind discuss the matter with him) was happy with the Club’s history and had no problem with it being promoted, it was the nostalgia and those who fobbed it off as the Club’s “traditions” that he found tedious.[/p][/quote]To be fair I do think we have a long history of being nostalgic. Indeed it's an embedded tradition that every generation of fans think there was a golden era which ended about 20 years previously.[/p][/quote]Spot on Confucious. And I do not have a problem with that. But I do have a problem with individuals and groups using their conception of the Club’s “history” – more usually badly informed than not – as a basis of criticism of those who run the Club or those who hold conflicting ideas about how it should be run. And I am afraid that this has happened a good deal over the past decade and caused a great deal of unnecessary disruption and animosity. The worst culprits are convinced Southampton FC did not exist before 1974. Dave Juson
  • Score: 2

11:15am Fri 14 Mar 14

lowe esteem says...

If the majority of fans can get their heads around this like they apparently did when Mopo succeeded Nigel, then we're moving on. The King is dead etc.
I am still watching the Manager situation, as we all should, and the current Chairman will know that many of us will retain a watching brief in his direction too.
However, being the trusting person that I am, and taking most people at face value hasn't failed me too much in over fifty years, I like what is being said, and I wish KL, RK HH and GR every success, as it looks like we're continuing on that upward trajectory again.
If the majority of fans can get their heads around this like they apparently did when Mopo succeeded Nigel, then we're moving on. The King is dead etc. I am still watching the Manager situation, as we all should, and the current Chairman will know that many of us will retain a watching brief in his direction too. However, being the trusting person that I am, and taking most people at face value hasn't failed me too much in over fifty years, I like what is being said, and I wish KL, RK HH and GR every success, as it looks like we're continuing on that upward trajectory again. lowe esteem
  • Score: 9

11:26am Fri 14 Mar 14

Shrewdsaint says...

I didn't like the new kit when it came out or the change from yellow for the away kit but I'm known as a bit of a Luddite. I'm use to it now and think the away kit is smart. Still like to see a bit more white on the shirt but its not the worst we've had, remember the Draper Tools one with fine lines one side, yuk.
I didn't like the new kit when it came out or the change from yellow for the away kit but I'm known as a bit of a Luddite. I'm use to it now and think the away kit is smart. Still like to see a bit more white on the shirt but its not the worst we've had, remember the Draper Tools one with fine lines one side, yuk. Shrewdsaint
  • Score: -2

11:35am Fri 14 Mar 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Confucious wrote:
Comparing how things have gone in recent times compared to less recent times it seems to me those red shirts are very lucky. Give me a win in red over a loss in stripes any day.
STRIPES!!!!!!!!!! :-)
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Comparing how things have gone in recent times compared to less recent times it seems to me those red shirts are very lucky. Give me a win in red over a loss in stripes any day.[/p][/quote]STRIPES!!!!!!!!!! :-) SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 1

11:58am Fri 14 Mar 14

lowe esteem says...

Confucious wrote:
Comparing how things have gone in recent times compared to less recent times it seems to me those red shirts are very lucky. Give me a win in red over a loss in stripes any day.
I would tend to agree, but feel that eventually the bottom falls out of the lucky underpants market.
I would like to advocate a momentous radical change where training sessions were conducted between teams in Red and White Stripes and say Yellow and Blue Stripes- or even narrow stripes versus wide stripes- this would create a winning team mentality in Stripes. Many followers of Southampton have collections of old/retro shirts and you can't frame them all, so we should be giving these an airing more often too, on non matchdays or a specific 'Awear your Stripes Day'. Barbers poles and certain Hazard warning tapes would be considered icons of totemic celebration and worship. As far as I know the Red Mail boxes dotted around the City are not Saints ones, unlike the one near East St that immediately assumed legend status when it received a generous lick of striped paint.
A whole new generation of Saints players and fans do need to know what its like to win repeatedly in a Red and White Striped Shirt, so what better time to start.
As a compromise, and indeed bright red and white 'carrot' for those who are starting to waver on the club kit, I wouldn't be unhappy if we started wearing something like Benfica's red, black and white kit of last night, they don't seem to operate too badly in it. I'm sure Adi Dassler could introduce approximately 3 stripes in somewhere?
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Comparing how things have gone in recent times compared to less recent times it seems to me those red shirts are very lucky. Give me a win in red over a loss in stripes any day.[/p][/quote]I would tend to agree, but feel that eventually the bottom falls out of the lucky underpants market. I would like to advocate a momentous radical change where training sessions were conducted between teams in Red and White Stripes and say Yellow and Blue Stripes- or even narrow stripes versus wide stripes- this would create a winning team mentality in Stripes. Many followers of Southampton have collections of old/retro shirts and you can't frame them all, so we should be giving these an airing more often too, on non matchdays or a specific 'Awear your Stripes Day'. Barbers poles and certain Hazard warning tapes would be considered icons of totemic celebration and worship. As far as I know the Red Mail boxes dotted around the City are not Saints ones, unlike the one near East St that immediately assumed legend status when it received a generous lick of striped paint. A whole new generation of Saints players and fans do need to know what its like to win repeatedly in a Red and White Striped Shirt, so what better time to start. As a compromise, and indeed bright red and white 'carrot' for those who are starting to waver on the club kit, I wouldn't be unhappy if we started wearing something like Benfica's red, black and white kit of last night, they don't seem to operate too badly in it. I'm sure Adi Dassler could introduce approximately 3 stripes in somewhere? lowe esteem
  • Score: 1

12:13pm Fri 14 Mar 14

right back in the bar says...

I'm getting a whiff of BS all this being creative with the tradition of the club. What a load of rubbish. Just restore the red and white stripes. Being North American perhaps he could take a look at the catering and get some decent burgers and proper hot dogs sorted instead of the **** that's served up now. No Cork (expected) or Wanyama tomorrow so good chance for JWP - looking forward to those dead ball deliveries Sir RL on the end of one of those.
I'm getting a whiff of BS all this being creative with the tradition of the club. What a load of rubbish. Just restore the red and white stripes. Being North American perhaps he could take a look at the catering and get some decent burgers and proper hot dogs sorted instead of the **** that's served up now. No Cork (expected) or Wanyama tomorrow so good chance for JWP - looking forward to those dead ball deliveries Sir RL on the end of one of those. right back in the bar
  • Score: -2

1:19pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Hamble Saints says...

Yes lets get back to tradition and the red sash. Can't stand the red and white stripes !!!!.
Yes lets get back to tradition and the red sash. Can't stand the red and white stripes !!!!. Hamble Saints
  • Score: 1

1:34pm Fri 14 Mar 14

HampshireEd says...

Confucious wrote:
Comparing how things have gone in recent times compared to less recent times it seems to me those red shirts are very lucky. Give me a win in red over a loss in stripes any day.
We got promoted in stripes although my favourite shirt of recent times was the 125 th anniversary white with red sash. If your listening Saints my wife would like more women's clothes cos the choice for women is very limited and the club is really missing a trick here. Easier access to food & hot drinks at half time would be good too..
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Comparing how things have gone in recent times compared to less recent times it seems to me those red shirts are very lucky. Give me a win in red over a loss in stripes any day.[/p][/quote]We got promoted in stripes although my favourite shirt of recent times was the 125 th anniversary white with red sash. If your listening Saints my wife would like more women's clothes cos the choice for women is very limited and the club is really missing a trick here. Easier access to food & hot drinks at half time would be good too.. HampshireEd
  • Score: 2

1:59pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Cincinnati says...

Bring back the red and white stripes. It is a part of the club's history that should never have been tampered with in the first place. And he is right about the Green Bay Packers. They have an 80,000 seat stadium in a community that is very much smaller than Southampton yet the team draws fans from all over the state of Wisconsin.
Bring back the red and white stripes. It is a part of the club's history that should never have been tampered with in the first place. And he is right about the Green Bay Packers. They have an 80,000 seat stadium in a community that is very much smaller than Southampton yet the team draws fans from all over the state of Wisconsin. Cincinnati
  • Score: 1

2:53pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Costa Baz says...

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
He is treading a fine line. He seems to be saying we want to do well but we are not in the same league as the big boys so we have to find another way. Not really sure what to make of him. Personally, I feel the history of the club is already with us fans. Its there. Its an indelible part of us. Its who we are. Without us Saints wouldn't be anything. It wouldn't even be here. So why does he make such a big thing about it? Yes, its great that he recognises that the club has a history, but what all fans want to know about is what the future holds. We have been on an amazing journey these last few years and I think most of us want to see that amazing journey continue. We don't want to go back to the good old bad old days under Lowe, Branfoot and a succession of other second rate managers, playing bottom half or relegation football and selling our best players. We want to be up there winning things and competing with the best. Will we get it under this management? That's what I want to know. All this, I love KL and Saints history seems too much like a bloke trying to ingratiate himself. Just deliver mate; that's all we want the Chairman to do.
I don't think he is saying we are not in the same league as the big boys, as a football team, but acknowledging that we are in a different league, financially.
This is why, I believe, in other interviews, he has stated that we need to look at the commercial side to generate greater income.
If I am correct, AAP is only our main sponsor this season, owing to a failure to agree a deal with Red Bull, who wanted us to change our name as part of the deal. After this season's performances, I would hope we will be able to secure a very lucrative new sponsorship deal, this coming summer.
Reference Red Bull, and name changing, did anyone else notice that FC Red Bull Salzburg drew with Basel last night!
[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: He is treading a fine line. He seems to be saying we want to do well but we are not in the same league as the big boys so we have to find another way. Not really sure what to make of him. Personally, I feel the history of the club is already with us fans. Its there. Its an indelible part of us. Its who we are. Without us Saints wouldn't be anything. It wouldn't even be here. So why does he make such a big thing about it? Yes, its great that he recognises that the club has a history, but what all fans want to know about is what the future holds. We have been on an amazing journey these last few years and I think most of us want to see that amazing journey continue. We don't want to go back to the good old bad old days under Lowe, Branfoot and a succession of other second rate managers, playing bottom half or relegation football and selling our best players. We want to be up there winning things and competing with the best. Will we get it under this management? That's what I want to know. All this, I love KL and Saints history seems too much like a bloke trying to ingratiate himself. Just deliver mate; that's all we want the Chairman to do.[/p][/quote]I don't think he is saying we are not in the same league as the big boys, as a football team, but acknowledging that we are in a different league, financially. This is why, I believe, in other interviews, he has stated that we need to look at the commercial side to generate greater income. If I am correct, AAP is only our main sponsor this season, owing to a failure to agree a deal with Red Bull, who wanted us to change our name as part of the deal. After this season's performances, I would hope we will be able to secure a very lucrative new sponsorship deal, this coming summer. Reference Red Bull, and name changing, did anyone else notice that FC Red Bull Salzburg drew with Basel last night! Costa Baz
  • Score: 0

2:59pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Dave Juson says...

Cincinnati wrote:
Bring back the red and white stripes. It is a part of the club's history that should never have been tampered with in the first place. And he is right about the Green Bay Packers. They have an 80,000 seat stadium in a community that is very much smaller than Southampton yet the team draws fans from all over the state of Wisconsin.
And blue short!
Black shorts were only brought in because of the poor quality of post-World War II dye and clothes rashioning. They must have solved the problem by now.
[quote][p][bold]Cincinnati[/bold] wrote: Bring back the red and white stripes. It is a part of the club's history that should never have been tampered with in the first place. And he is right about the Green Bay Packers. They have an 80,000 seat stadium in a community that is very much smaller than Southampton yet the team draws fans from all over the state of Wisconsin.[/p][/quote]And blue short! Black shorts were only brought in because of the poor quality of post-World War II dye and clothes rashioning. They must have solved the problem by now. Dave Juson
  • Score: 0

7:20pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Plastic Saint says...

There are so many things that can be done to recognise Saints history and improve commercially. I Don't see how the likes of Matt Le Tiss & Lawrie Mcmenemy not paying for tickets can be classed as freebies. These are high profile supporters of our club that speak fondly of their time with us & want us to do well. Get them involved & they will earn their tickets by continuing to raise the clubs profile. The merchandise available is very poor, in the Chelsea store for example you can buy mopeds and cars in club colours. I for one would buy anything from Saints if the quality and price was equivalent to anywhere else as the club would be making money. It doesnt have to have a logo on it.
There are so many things that can be done to recognise Saints history and improve commercially. I Don't see how the likes of Matt Le Tiss & Lawrie Mcmenemy not paying for tickets can be classed as freebies. These are high profile supporters of our club that speak fondly of their time with us & want us to do well. Get them involved & they will earn their tickets by continuing to raise the clubs profile. The merchandise available is very poor, in the Chelsea store for example you can buy mopeds and cars in club colours. I for one would buy anything from Saints if the quality and price was equivalent to anywhere else as the club would be making money. It doesnt have to have a logo on it. Plastic Saint
  • Score: 0

7:22pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Plastic Saint says...

Oh yes, Sash for me!!
Oh yes, Sash for me!! Plastic Saint
  • Score: 0

7:39pm Fri 14 Mar 14

saintbobby says...

Of course, it's stripes. The sash looked very old-fashioned, I thought !!!

Years out of date. If we had stripes then we could beat Sunderland at St. Mary's - for once!
Of course, it's stripes. The sash looked very old-fashioned, I thought !!! Years out of date. If we had stripes then we could beat Sunderland at St. Mary's - for once! saintbobby
  • Score: 0

9:55pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Reality-man says...

Red and white stripes please Freddie
Red and white stripes please Freddie Reality-man
  • Score: 1

10:16pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Plastic Saint wrote:
There are so many things that can be done to recognise Saints history and improve commercially. I Don't see how the likes of Matt Le Tiss & Lawrie Mcmenemy not paying for tickets can be classed as freebies. These are high profile supporters of our club that speak fondly of their time with us & want us to do well. Get them involved & they will earn their tickets by continuing to raise the clubs profile. The merchandise available is very poor, in the Chelsea store for example you can buy mopeds and cars in club colours. I for one would buy anything from Saints if the quality and price was equivalent to anywhere else as the club would be making money. It doesnt have to have a logo on it.
Regarding Matt and Mac, yes, get them involved, yes, appreciate what they did and, yes, like most of us, worship the very earth they walk on, but freebies? They earned a bl00dy fortune in football - much of it through their connections with Saints - and live very comfortably today. If I were in their shoes and was given free tickets, I'd hand them straight over to someone I knew who was a die-hard fan but couldn't afford tickets - I certainly would NOT benefit from the privilege.

I've been involved with Saints longer than either Matt or Mac, so what do I get? The simple answer is: 'Nothing'!

Call me old fashioned, but the 'Nothing' I get is exactly what I expect and is exactly what everyone else involved in our club should expect. Why? Because there's no such thing as a free lunch and every freebie that any one person takes from the club will have been paid for by you and me.
[quote][p][bold]Plastic Saint[/bold] wrote: There are so many things that can be done to recognise Saints history and improve commercially. I Don't see how the likes of Matt Le Tiss & Lawrie Mcmenemy not paying for tickets can be classed as freebies. These are high profile supporters of our club that speak fondly of their time with us & want us to do well. Get them involved & they will earn their tickets by continuing to raise the clubs profile. The merchandise available is very poor, in the Chelsea store for example you can buy mopeds and cars in club colours. I for one would buy anything from Saints if the quality and price was equivalent to anywhere else as the club would be making money. It doesnt have to have a logo on it.[/p][/quote]Regarding Matt and Mac, yes, get them involved, yes, appreciate what they did and, yes, like most of us, worship the very earth they walk on, but freebies? They earned a bl00dy fortune in football - much of it through their connections with Saints - and live very comfortably today. If I were in their shoes and was given free tickets, I'd hand them straight over to someone I knew who was a die-hard fan but couldn't afford tickets - I certainly would NOT benefit from the privilege. I've been involved with Saints longer than either Matt or Mac, so what do I get? The simple answer is: 'Nothing'! Call me old fashioned, but the 'Nothing' I get is exactly what I expect and is exactly what everyone else involved in our club should expect. Why? Because there's no such thing as a free lunch and every freebie that any one person takes from the club will have been paid for by you and me. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 1

10:59pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Milton the Springer says...

bartley41 wrote:
1 Get back to the Stripes

2 A smaller size match day program , clearer print and less errors.
More information about the visiting team, see the Newcastle v Saints

3 Clearer public address system, in the Kingsland Stand it is hardly audible, suspect it is only checked when the Stadium is empty.

4 The prematch and half time entertainment is simply dire, the guy with the hand held mike just shouts!
change the music to which saints march in to. Novel I know but saints go marching in seems such a good tune for the, well, saints to march in to. A good old trad jazz version would be brilliant.
[quote][p][bold]bartley41[/bold] wrote: 1 Get back to the Stripes 2 A smaller size match day program , clearer print and less errors. More information about the visiting team, see the Newcastle v Saints 3 Clearer public address system, in the Kingsland Stand it is hardly audible, suspect it is only checked when the Stadium is empty. 4 The prematch and half time entertainment is simply dire, the guy with the hand held mike just shouts![/p][/quote]change the music to which saints march in to. Novel I know but saints go marching in seems such a good tune for the, well, saints to march in to. A good old trad jazz version would be brilliant. Milton the Springer
  • Score: 1

7:40am Sat 15 Mar 14

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

PART OF OUR TRADITION IS A WEMBLEY APPEARANCE IN THE CUP.

WE MUST AND CAN DO BETTER.

RED ARMY 2014. WIN. COYR
PART OF OUR TRADITION IS A WEMBLEY APPEARANCE IN THE CUP. WE MUST AND CAN DO BETTER. RED ARMY 2014. WIN. COYR REDARMYRULETHESOUTH
  • Score: 4

8:27am Sat 15 Mar 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

Little Hitler wrote:
Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
He is treading a fine line. He seems to be saying we want to do well but we are not in the same league as the big boys so we have to find another way. Not really sure what to make of him. Personally, I feel the history of the club is already with us fans. Its there. Its an indelible part of us. Its who we are. Without us Saints wouldn't be anything. It wouldn't even be here. So why does he make such a big thing about it? Yes, its great that he recognises that the club has a history, but what all fans want to know about is what the future holds. We have been on an amazing journey these last few years and I think most of us want to see that amazing journey continue. We don't want to go back to the good old bad old days under Lowe, Branfoot and a succession of other second rate managers, playing bottom half or relegation football and selling our best players. We want to be up there winning things and competing with the best. Will we get it under this management? That's what I want to know. All this, I love KL and Saints history seems too much like a bloke trying to ingratiate himself. Just deliver mate; that's all we want the Chairman to do.
You've done a good job in writing a lengthy post with not a single thing I agree with.

I'm getting really good vibes from this guy and see this week as a tremendous step forward for us. It seems clear to me that he is to KL what Cortese was to her dad. They're clearly very different pairings but they share the same close bond which can only be a good thing if you ask me. He now needs to do the same with MP and the rest of the club's staff and off we go.

He's already clearly building a vision for the club based on a sound commercial footing and I'm quite happy for it to have more than a passing nod to our proud history.
Not a single thing you agree with in my post?

So you don't agree that I personally am not sure what to make of him? You don't agree that I feel the history of the club is already with us fans? You don't agree that without fans the club wouldn't exist? You don't agree that I wonder why he is making such a big thing about the history of the club? You don't agree that we have been on an amazing journey these last few years? You don't agree that we want to see that journey continue? You don't agree that we don't want to go back to the bad old days of Lowe and Branfoot? You don't agree that we want to be up there winning things and competing with the best? You don't want to know whether we will get that under this management? You don't agree that is what I want to know?

Do you support pompey or something? Or maybe you just got out of the wrong side of the bed?
[quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: He is treading a fine line. He seems to be saying we want to do well but we are not in the same league as the big boys so we have to find another way. Not really sure what to make of him. Personally, I feel the history of the club is already with us fans. Its there. Its an indelible part of us. Its who we are. Without us Saints wouldn't be anything. It wouldn't even be here. So why does he make such a big thing about it? Yes, its great that he recognises that the club has a history, but what all fans want to know about is what the future holds. We have been on an amazing journey these last few years and I think most of us want to see that amazing journey continue. We don't want to go back to the good old bad old days under Lowe, Branfoot and a succession of other second rate managers, playing bottom half or relegation football and selling our best players. We want to be up there winning things and competing with the best. Will we get it under this management? That's what I want to know. All this, I love KL and Saints history seems too much like a bloke trying to ingratiate himself. Just deliver mate; that's all we want the Chairman to do.[/p][/quote]You've done a good job in writing a lengthy post with not a single thing I agree with. I'm getting really good vibes from this guy and see this week as a tremendous step forward for us. It seems clear to me that he is to KL what Cortese was to her dad. They're clearly very different pairings but they share the same close bond which can only be a good thing if you ask me. He now needs to do the same with MP and the rest of the club's staff and off we go. He's already clearly building a vision for the club based on a sound commercial footing and I'm quite happy for it to have more than a passing nod to our proud history.[/p][/quote]Not a single thing you agree with in my post? So you don't agree that I personally am not sure what to make of him? You don't agree that I feel the history of the club is already with us fans? You don't agree that without fans the club wouldn't exist? You don't agree that I wonder why he is making such a big thing about the history of the club? You don't agree that we have been on an amazing journey these last few years? You don't agree that we want to see that journey continue? You don't agree that we don't want to go back to the bad old days of Lowe and Branfoot? You don't agree that we want to be up there winning things and competing with the best? You don't want to know whether we will get that under this management? You don't agree that is what I want to know? Do you support pompey or something? Or maybe you just got out of the wrong side of the bed? Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 0

8:43am Sat 15 Mar 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
He is treading a fine line. He seems to be saying we want to do well but we are not in the same league as the big boys so we have to find another way. Not really sure what to make of him. Personally, I feel the history of the club is already with us fans. Its there. Its an indelible part of us. Its who we are. Without us Saints wouldn't be anything. It wouldn't even be here. So why does he make such a big thing about it? Yes, its great that he recognises that the club has a history, but what all fans want to know about is what the future holds. We have been on an amazing journey these last few years and I think most of us want to see that amazing journey continue. We don't want to go back to the good old bad old days under Lowe, Branfoot and a succession of other second rate managers, playing bottom half or relegation football and selling our best players. We want to be up there winning things and competing with the best. Will we get it under this management? That's what I want to know. All this, I love KL and Saints history seems too much like a bloke trying to ingratiate himself. Just deliver mate; that's all we want the Chairman to do.
I don't think he is saying we are not in the same league as the big boys, as a football team, but acknowledging that we are in a different league, financially.
This is why, I believe, in other interviews, he has stated that we need to look at the commercial side to generate greater income.
If I am correct, AAP is only our main sponsor this season, owing to a failure to agree a deal with Red Bull, who wanted us to change our name as part of the deal. After this season's performances, I would hope we will be able to secure a very lucrative new sponsorship deal, this coming summer.
Reference Red Bull, and name changing, did anyone else notice that FC Red Bull Salzburg drew with Basel last night!
I have supported Saints for the last 45 years or more (I am in my early fifties) and I can remember feeling sad listening to managers trying to be positive about picking up points but the message that came through to me was that they didn't really believe we could compete. Dave Jones was a prime example. He seemed to talk sense but after listening to him over a period of time I realised that his overall attitude, particularly for away games, was that we can't really expect to win this game, but that if we are lucky we might just sneak it. Of course, he tried to put a positive spin on everything as you would expect from a manager of any football team, bit to me It seemed that deep down he didn't really believe the club had the clout to compete and that it wasn't going anywhere. Maybe that wasn't his fault. Maybe it was just being realistic. Lowe and his mates drained the life blood out of the club. This is why I was so chuffed with Cortese. Whatever anyone thinks about him the man clearly had real ambition. So did Poch when he came and I have loved every minute of the last few years. I just want that to continue. For me, I will wait to see what Kreuger and KL do before I rush to any judgements about them. History and tradition is one thing, but success on the pitch is another.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: He is treading a fine line. He seems to be saying we want to do well but we are not in the same league as the big boys so we have to find another way. Not really sure what to make of him. Personally, I feel the history of the club is already with us fans. Its there. Its an indelible part of us. Its who we are. Without us Saints wouldn't be anything. It wouldn't even be here. So why does he make such a big thing about it? Yes, its great that he recognises that the club has a history, but what all fans want to know about is what the future holds. We have been on an amazing journey these last few years and I think most of us want to see that amazing journey continue. We don't want to go back to the good old bad old days under Lowe, Branfoot and a succession of other second rate managers, playing bottom half or relegation football and selling our best players. We want to be up there winning things and competing with the best. Will we get it under this management? That's what I want to know. All this, I love KL and Saints history seems too much like a bloke trying to ingratiate himself. Just deliver mate; that's all we want the Chairman to do.[/p][/quote]I don't think he is saying we are not in the same league as the big boys, as a football team, but acknowledging that we are in a different league, financially. This is why, I believe, in other interviews, he has stated that we need to look at the commercial side to generate greater income. If I am correct, AAP is only our main sponsor this season, owing to a failure to agree a deal with Red Bull, who wanted us to change our name as part of the deal. After this season's performances, I would hope we will be able to secure a very lucrative new sponsorship deal, this coming summer. Reference Red Bull, and name changing, did anyone else notice that FC Red Bull Salzburg drew with Basel last night![/p][/quote]I have supported Saints for the last 45 years or more (I am in my early fifties) and I can remember feeling sad listening to managers trying to be positive about picking up points but the message that came through to me was that they didn't really believe we could compete. Dave Jones was a prime example. He seemed to talk sense but after listening to him over a period of time I realised that his overall attitude, particularly for away games, was that we can't really expect to win this game, but that if we are lucky we might just sneak it. Of course, he tried to put a positive spin on everything as you would expect from a manager of any football team, bit to me It seemed that deep down he didn't really believe the club had the clout to compete and that it wasn't going anywhere. Maybe that wasn't his fault. Maybe it was just being realistic. Lowe and his mates drained the life blood out of the club. This is why I was so chuffed with Cortese. Whatever anyone thinks about him the man clearly had real ambition. So did Poch when he came and I have loved every minute of the last few years. I just want that to continue. For me, I will wait to see what Kreuger and KL do before I rush to any judgements about them. History and tradition is one thing, but success on the pitch is another. Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 0

6:55pm Sat 15 Mar 14

andygoater1957 says...

bartley41 wrote:
1 Get back to the Stripes

2 A smaller size match day program , clearer print and less errors.
More information about the visiting team, see the Newcastle v Saints

3 Clearer public address system, in the Kingsland Stand it is hardly audible, suspect it is only checked when the Stadium is empty.

4 The prematch and half time entertainment is simply dire, the guy with the hand held mike just shouts!
Yes on all four, but have you told the club about them.
[quote][p][bold]bartley41[/bold] wrote: 1 Get back to the Stripes 2 A smaller size match day program , clearer print and less errors. More information about the visiting team, see the Newcastle v Saints 3 Clearer public address system, in the Kingsland Stand it is hardly audible, suspect it is only checked when the Stadium is empty. 4 The prematch and half time entertainment is simply dire, the guy with the hand held mike just shouts![/p][/quote]Yes on all four, but have you told the club about them. andygoater1957
  • Score: 0

5:25pm Sun 16 Mar 14

lowe esteem says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Plastic Saint wrote:
There are so many things that can be done to recognise Saints history and improve commercially. I Don't see how the likes of Matt Le Tiss & Lawrie Mcmenemy not paying for tickets can be classed as freebies. These are high profile supporters of our club that speak fondly of their time with us & want us to do well. Get them involved & they will earn their tickets by continuing to raise the clubs profile. The merchandise available is very poor, in the Chelsea store for example you can buy mopeds and cars in club colours. I for one would buy anything from Saints if the quality and price was equivalent to anywhere else as the club would be making money. It doesnt have to have a logo on it.
Regarding Matt and Mac, yes, get them involved, yes, appreciate what they did and, yes, like most of us, worship the very earth they walk on, but freebies? They earned a bl00dy fortune in football - much of it through their connections with Saints - and live very comfortably today. If I were in their shoes and was given free tickets, I'd hand them straight over to someone I knew who was a die-hard fan but couldn't afford tickets - I certainly would NOT benefit from the privilege.

I've been involved with Saints longer than either Matt or Mac, so what do I get? The simple answer is: 'Nothing'!

Call me old fashioned, but the 'Nothing' I get is exactly what I expect and is exactly what everyone else involved in our club should expect. Why? Because there's no such thing as a free lunch and every freebie that any one person takes from the club will have been paid for by you and me.
I will just take a moment to think whether your input and achievement with Saints- whilst very laudable- matches up to those of Matt or Lawrie, and I suggest their expectations are not much different to yours, and I don't think you're 'old fashioned' at all, just a bit ****-eyed with your logic, and a little out of touch. Oh, and thank you for handing over those hypothetical tickets, you clearly have a generous streak too. Well Done.
It's not like they've bled the club dry is it? (Like happened somewhere else, where they let 'em. ) Rarely, a Saints fan comes along and says something rather silly, and it's not usually you.
Tomorrow's Headline to Read:
"Died in the Wool Saints Fan Says: No Free Lunches for Lawrie and Matt."

Sic: Unbelievable- what have they ever done for us?

Oh- I've thought about it- your input (allowing for your gesture with the tickets that you haven't got) does not quite measure up to those of Mac 'n Matt. But it's the thought that counts.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plastic Saint[/bold] wrote: There are so many things that can be done to recognise Saints history and improve commercially. I Don't see how the likes of Matt Le Tiss & Lawrie Mcmenemy not paying for tickets can be classed as freebies. These are high profile supporters of our club that speak fondly of their time with us & want us to do well. Get them involved & they will earn their tickets by continuing to raise the clubs profile. The merchandise available is very poor, in the Chelsea store for example you can buy mopeds and cars in club colours. I for one would buy anything from Saints if the quality and price was equivalent to anywhere else as the club would be making money. It doesnt have to have a logo on it.[/p][/quote]Regarding Matt and Mac, yes, get them involved, yes, appreciate what they did and, yes, like most of us, worship the very earth they walk on, but freebies? They earned a bl00dy fortune in football - much of it through their connections with Saints - and live very comfortably today. If I were in their shoes and was given free tickets, I'd hand them straight over to someone I knew who was a die-hard fan but couldn't afford tickets - I certainly would NOT benefit from the privilege. I've been involved with Saints longer than either Matt or Mac, so what do I get? The simple answer is: 'Nothing'! Call me old fashioned, but the 'Nothing' I get is exactly what I expect and is exactly what everyone else involved in our club should expect. Why? Because there's no such thing as a free lunch and every freebie that any one person takes from the club will have been paid for by you and me.[/p][/quote]I will just take a moment to think whether your input and achievement with Saints- whilst very laudable- matches up to those of Matt or Lawrie, and I suggest their expectations are not much different to yours, and I don't think you're 'old fashioned' at all, just a bit ****-eyed with your logic, and a little out of touch. Oh, and thank you for handing over those hypothetical tickets, you clearly have a generous streak too. Well Done. It's not like they've bled the club dry is it? (Like happened somewhere else, where they let 'em. ) Rarely, a Saints fan comes along and says something rather silly, and it's not usually you. Tomorrow's Headline to Read: "Died in the Wool Saints Fan Says: No Free Lunches for Lawrie and Matt." Sic: Unbelievable- what have they ever done for us? Oh- I've thought about it- your input (allowing for your gesture with the tickets that you haven't got) does not quite measure up to those of Mac 'n Matt. But it's the thought that counts. lowe esteem
  • Score: 1

5:33pm Sun 16 Mar 14

lowe esteem says...

Dave Juson wrote:
Cincinnati wrote:
Bring back the red and white stripes. It is a part of the club's history that should never have been tampered with in the first place. And he is right about the Green Bay Packers. They have an 80,000 seat stadium in a community that is very much smaller than Southampton yet the team draws fans from all over the state of Wisconsin.
And blue short!
Black shorts were only brought in because of the poor quality of post-World War II dye and clothes rashioning. They must have solved the problem by now.
Think they did solve the problem in 76, and prior to that the Old Gold second strip, aka 'away shirt' was worn with black shorts, so your story holds up- you must be a Hagiologist?
I recall the old 'black' shorts (Umbro etc from Toomers) used to 'bleed' and go grey in no time. I loved the real original red and white stripes, that I have always associated with Saints.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cincinnati[/bold] wrote: Bring back the red and white stripes. It is a part of the club's history that should never have been tampered with in the first place. And he is right about the Green Bay Packers. They have an 80,000 seat stadium in a community that is very much smaller than Southampton yet the team draws fans from all over the state of Wisconsin.[/p][/quote]And blue short! Black shorts were only brought in because of the poor quality of post-World War II dye and clothes rashioning. They must have solved the problem by now.[/p][/quote]Think they did solve the problem in 76, and prior to that the Old Gold second strip, aka 'away shirt' was worn with black shorts, so your story holds up- you must be a Hagiologist? I recall the old 'black' shorts (Umbro etc from Toomers) used to 'bleed' and go grey in no time. I loved the real original red and white stripes, that I have always associated with Saints. lowe esteem
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