Saints let slip two-goal lead to lose at Tottenham

Saints let slip two-goal lead to lose at Tottenham

Saints let slip two-goal lead to lose at Tottenham

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Gylfi Sigurdsson's stoppage-time strike completed a miserable afternoon for Saints who let slip a two-goal lead to lose 3-2 at White Hart Lane against Tottenham.

An afternoon of defensive mishaps meant this match looked like it would end in an entertaining draw, but Spurs struck a late sucker-punch to secure a first win in five matches.

Substitute Sigurdsson rifled home from 25 yards to send White Hart Lane wild, as Tottenham pulled back a two-goal deficit to win.

Few could have predicted this result given the way Saints raced into a deserved lead, thanks in no small part to Kyle Naughton.

Daily Echo:

First the right-back misjudged a long ball forward that Jay Rodriguez raced onto and coolly slotted home, before then giving away possession as captain Adam Lallana netted an equally-impressive strike.

Daily Echo:

The goals will have impressed watching England manager Roy Hodgson, who had been joined in the directors' box by Sherwood until the second goal saw him race down to the touchline just in time to see Nathaniel Clyne misread a Naughton cross, allowing Christian Eriksen to slot home.

The deficit was cancelled out completely within a minute of the second half as Roberto Soldado saw off the attention of Dejan Lovren to cross for the Dane to slot home and, just when the match looked to be ending level, Sigurdsson hammered home a fine winner.

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Sherwood made five changes from Thursday's 2-2 draw at Benfica and one of those almost made an immediate impact, with Younes Kaboul powering an early header at Artur Boruc.

They continued to fling in crosses but without success as Saints defended diligently and attacked with gusto.

Southampton's first chance ended with Lallana blazing over a Rickie Lambert rollback, before Rodriguez found the net only for the offside flag to cut the visiting fans' celebrations short.

Saints' pressing was making life tough for the hosts, although it was a long ball from the back that proved their undoing in the 19th minute.

Daily Echo:

Boruc's goal kick was misread by Naughton and chased down by Rodriguez, who showed wonderful composure to fire a right-footed strike past Hugo Lloris.

The finish epitomised the confidence coursing through Southampton, which was again evident when Lallana showed quick feet to strike at Lloris.

Luke Shaw saw his attempt at a first Southampton goal blocked as Mauricio Pochettino's men continued in the ascendancy and it was no surprise when they doubled their advantage.

Daily Echo:

Naughton was again the guilty party, miscontrolling the ball into the path of Lambert, whose lay-off to the overlapping Lallana was struck low past Lloris in the 28th minute.

Boos rang out around White Hart Lane and Sherwood raced down to the bench to bark instructions, before the curse of the right-back struck in their favour.

Shortly after Nabil Bentaleb fizzed wide from distance, Naughton swung in a hopeful cross that was misread by Saints full-back Clyne, allowing Eriksen to sweep home and reduce the deficit.

Spurs midfielder Mousa Dembele hooked a volley wide soon after as Spurs were pushed on by the loud home support, although Lallana should have added a third for Saints when striking a Jack Cork pass straight at Lloris.

It was a missed opportunity they were made to rue as Spurs started the second half in the same manner they went into the break.

Daily Echo:

A lovely Soldado touch put Eriksen through on goal just before half-time, hurdling over challenges from Lovren and Jose Fonte, only to poke straight at Boruc.

Daily Echo:

The Southampton goalkeeper also had to push over a free-kick from the Dane, who would again find the net in the opening minute of the second half as Soldado outmuscled Lovren, cut inside and sent a low cross for Eriksen to slot home at the far post.

Sherwood, now back in the stands, pumped his fist with joy as his side played with renewed confidence, leading Soldado to strike from distance.

Saints' backline were coming under a lot of pressure as Soldado proved an increasing nuisance, highlighted when he chested the ball to Eriksen, whose ball over the top found Nacer Chadli.

The Belgium international's low strike looked like it may have been sneaking in at the near post before Boruc's interjection, with Eriksen getting behind in the same area soon after and firing into the side-netting.

Chadli saw weak penalty appeals against Shaw waved away as Spurs upped the ante, with substitute Calum Chambers' last-ditch challenge just enough to stop Eriksen finding the target.

Tottenham continued to press but with less gusto, which is perhaps why Sherwood returned to the bench, as Saints came close to snatching a winner through substitute Gaston Ramirez and then Lambert.

Daily Echo:

But then, out of nothing, Spurs completed a magnificent comeback as Eriksen squared for Sigurdsson to hammer home a superb last-gasp winner.

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4:32pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Costa Baz says...

Still on a learning curve, with defending leads to be the most important part of next season's curriculum.

Negatives. Need to stop being so "precious" when decisions go against us, as it spreads through the team, with everyone bleating for free kicks for minimal contact. Which affects concentration and, for some reason, team shape with players seemingly forgetting the good things they normally do.

Would also like a more safety first approach, when shielding the ball out of play. We seem to be doing it when there is still too much distance to go, and seem to have been caught out several times already, this season. Give them a throw in.

Oh, and defensive errors!! Three in one game leading to goals!

Positives. Luke saw off two England wingers, and looked as if he would have done so if they'd both been on at the same time.
Cork must get an England call up, after the World Cup.
JWP stepped up to the plate and looked comfortable alongside Cork.
Lallana, superb in parts, as usual.
Still on a learning curve, with defending leads to be the most important part of next season's curriculum. Negatives. Need to stop being so "precious" when decisions go against us, as it spreads through the team, with everyone bleating for free kicks for minimal contact. Which affects concentration and, for some reason, team shape with players seemingly forgetting the good things they normally do. Would also like a more safety first approach, when shielding the ball out of play. We seem to be doing it when there is still too much distance to go, and seem to have been caught out several times already, this season. Give them a throw in. Oh, and defensive errors!! Three in one game leading to goals! Positives. Luke saw off two England wingers, and looked as if he would have done so if they'd both been on at the same time. Cork must get an England call up, after the World Cup. JWP stepped up to the plate and looked comfortable alongside Cork. Lallana, superb in parts, as usual. Costa Baz
  • Score: 13

5:27pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Fireman Sam 1 says...

Simply not good enough, and no I'm not a Pompey fan, I am a life long Saints fan, but if you think any apart from Lallana are good enough for the national side you are obviously viewing games through rose tinted glasses.
Simply not good enough, and no I'm not a Pompey fan, I am a life long Saints fan, but if you think any apart from Lallana are good enough for the national side you are obviously viewing games through rose tinted glasses. Fireman Sam 1
  • Score: -24

5:30pm Sun 23 Mar 14

alanrr says...

it was against us when lawro predicted a win for us and we were on sky
it was against us when lawro predicted a win for us and we were on sky alanrr
  • Score: 12

5:41pm Sun 23 Mar 14

jezza says...

It is true that Spurs were average at best and we still didn't have enough about us to beat them.

However, we weren't outclassed at all, and there were a lot of positives to come from the game - Chambers and Shaw were excellent, Ward-Prowse and Cork looked impressive, Llallana was his usual class above the rest, and Rodriguez scored an extremely good goal.

Yes, the result was disappointing, but can we really expect to beat the sides that are above us away? I don't think we can yet, but I do think that that time is coming and coming soon.

COYS.
It is true that Spurs were average at best and we still didn't have enough about us to beat them. However, we weren't outclassed at all, and there were a lot of positives to come from the game - Chambers and Shaw were excellent, Ward-Prowse and Cork looked impressive, Llallana was his usual class above the rest, and Rodriguez scored an extremely good goal. Yes, the result was disappointing, but can we really expect to beat the sides that are above us away? I don't think we can yet, but I do think that that time is coming and coming soon. COYS. jezza
  • Score: 18

5:43pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Clever Dick says...

Lucky lucky Spuds
Lucky lucky Spuds Clever Dick
  • Score: 8

5:54pm Sun 23 Mar 14

up saints says...

look on the bright side we will still be in the premiership next year where will that lot 15 mile down the road be.katerina and poch running the ship i think good things next season.
look on the bright side we will still be in the premiership next year where will that lot 15 mile down the road be.katerina and poch running the ship i think good things next season. up saints
  • Score: 5

5:57pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Still on a learning curve, with defending leads to be the most important part of next season's curriculum.

Negatives. Need to stop being so "precious" when decisions go against us, as it spreads through the team, with everyone bleating for free kicks for minimal contact. Which affects concentration and, for some reason, team shape with players seemingly forgetting the good things they normally do.

Would also like a more safety first approach, when shielding the ball out of play. We seem to be doing it when there is still too much distance to go, and seem to have been caught out several times already, this season. Give them a throw in.

Oh, and defensive errors!! Three in one game leading to goals!

Positives. Luke saw off two England wingers, and looked as if he would have done so if they'd both been on at the same time.
Cork must get an England call up, after the World Cup.
JWP stepped up to the plate and looked comfortable alongside Cork.
Lallana, superb in parts, as usual.
I agree with everything you say, Baz, our defending was very poor at times. However, we still had a lot of those tight decisions go against us. On another day (or if we were Chelsea, say) and just half of those decisions had gone for us, we'd have got a point or more.

It wasn't just the possible fouls on Lovren that came before the first two Spurs' goals (for me, the first was part of the modern game, but the second was a push), it was the two late Rose tackles, for which one was given as no more than a foul to Saints and the other was given as a foul to Spurs (!!!!), it was the fact that when Lovren gave a slight nudge on Soldado, he got booked but did nothing more than the 'non foul' which caused the second goal, it was the fact that the linos seemed able to spot the most marginal offsides (maybe correctly, but many were tight) but couldn't see any of the fouls until Gaston apparently fouled a Spuds player near the end - that ceeded possession to them and they duly created the chance which led to the winner.

That said, my main gripe is that when we are good, we get too cosy and lose our concentration. If we can learn to cut that out, today's lesson will have been worth it.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Still on a learning curve, with defending leads to be the most important part of next season's curriculum. Negatives. Need to stop being so "precious" when decisions go against us, as it spreads through the team, with everyone bleating for free kicks for minimal contact. Which affects concentration and, for some reason, team shape with players seemingly forgetting the good things they normally do. Would also like a more safety first approach, when shielding the ball out of play. We seem to be doing it when there is still too much distance to go, and seem to have been caught out several times already, this season. Give them a throw in. Oh, and defensive errors!! Three in one game leading to goals! Positives. Luke saw off two England wingers, and looked as if he would have done so if they'd both been on at the same time. Cork must get an England call up, after the World Cup. JWP stepped up to the plate and looked comfortable alongside Cork. Lallana, superb in parts, as usual.[/p][/quote]I agree with everything you say, Baz, our defending was very poor at times. However, we still had a lot of those tight decisions go against us. On another day (or if we were Chelsea, say) and just half of those decisions had gone for us, we'd have got a point or more. It wasn't just the possible fouls on Lovren that came before the first two Spurs' goals (for me, the first was part of the modern game, but the second was a push), it was the two late Rose tackles, for which one was given as no more than a foul to Saints and the other was given as a foul to Spurs (!!!!), it was the fact that when Lovren gave a slight nudge on Soldado, he got booked but did nothing more than the 'non foul' which caused the second goal, it was the fact that the linos seemed able to spot the most marginal offsides (maybe correctly, but many were tight) but couldn't see any of the fouls until Gaston apparently fouled a Spuds player near the end - that ceeded possession to them and they duly created the chance which led to the winner. That said, my main gripe is that when we are good, we get too cosy and lose our concentration. If we can learn to cut that out, today's lesson will have been worth it. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 5

6:08pm Sun 23 Mar 14

JohnItaly says...

jezza wrote:
It is true that Spurs were average at best and we still didn't have enough about us to beat them.

However, we weren't outclassed at all, and there were a lot of positives to come from the game - Chambers and Shaw were excellent, Ward-Prowse and Cork looked impressive, Llallana was his usual class above the rest, and Rodriguez scored an extremely good goal.

Yes, the result was disappointing, but can we really expect to beat the sides that are above us away? I don't think we can yet, but I do think that that time is coming and coming soon.

COYS.
Questions have to be asked about MoPo's tactics. A Sky commentator stated Saints have dropped most points from a winning position in the Premier league so it does beg the question is MoPo a little naive? If so is he willing to learn and adjust?

With regard to our results against teams in the top half we are 14th in that particular league with WBA, West Ham, Stoke, Aston Villa & Sunderland all above us. Sunderland in fact lie 8th. We have only beaten one team in the top half and that is Liverpool, who at the time, thankfully, were without Suarez. The Saints have come along way in the last few years but the journey to the next level will be tougher and will require some astute transfer dealings in the summer and MoPo learning from our mistakes this season and implementing tactical changes at the appropriate time in a game to ensure next season Saints do not hold the "record" for most points dropped from a winning position for the third season consecutively.
[quote][p][bold]jezza[/bold] wrote: It is true that Spurs were average at best and we still didn't have enough about us to beat them. However, we weren't outclassed at all, and there were a lot of positives to come from the game - Chambers and Shaw were excellent, Ward-Prowse and Cork looked impressive, Llallana was his usual class above the rest, and Rodriguez scored an extremely good goal. Yes, the result was disappointing, but can we really expect to beat the sides that are above us away? I don't think we can yet, but I do think that that time is coming and coming soon. COYS.[/p][/quote]Questions have to be asked about MoPo's tactics. A Sky commentator stated Saints have dropped most points from a winning position in the Premier league so it does beg the question is MoPo a little naive? If so is he willing to learn and adjust? With regard to our results against teams in the top half we are 14th in that particular league with WBA, West Ham, Stoke, Aston Villa & Sunderland all above us. Sunderland in fact lie 8th. We have only beaten one team in the top half and that is Liverpool, who at the time, thankfully, were without Suarez. The Saints have come along way in the last few years but the journey to the next level will be tougher and will require some astute transfer dealings in the summer and MoPo learning from our mistakes this season and implementing tactical changes at the appropriate time in a game to ensure next season Saints do not hold the "record" for most points dropped from a winning position for the third season consecutively. JohnItaly
  • Score: 3

6:15pm Sun 23 Mar 14

redsnapper says...

Fonte and Lovren were invisible and poor respectively. Hence we lost.
Fonte and Lovren were invisible and poor respectively. Hence we lost. redsnapper
  • Score: -3

6:27pm Sun 23 Mar 14

peregrine73 says...

Long way to go to be in the top 6,we have thrown away good leads many times this season. Consolidate are defence this Summer and we could be a force to reckon with.
Long way to go to be in the top 6,we have thrown away good leads many times this season. Consolidate are defence this Summer and we could be a force to reckon with. peregrine73
  • Score: 5

6:29pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Confucious says...

We are staying up! We are staying up!
We are staying up! We are staying up! Confucious
  • Score: 7

6:35pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Jesus_02 says...

Wow what a strange game... we completely went missing for about half an hour in the second half and didn't concede. we actually started looking respectable in the last 10 and spurs get the win from what was a actually a good strike.

Lovren was fouled for both of their previous goals. Its not the way that I believe the game should be played but if he had fallen on the ball and picked it up he WOULD have got the free kicks!
Wow what a strange game... we completely went missing for about half an hour in the second half and didn't concede. we actually started looking respectable in the last 10 and spurs get the win from what was a actually a good strike. Lovren was fouled for both of their previous goals. Its not the way that I believe the game should be played but if he had fallen on the ball and picked it up he WOULD have got the free kicks! Jesus_02
  • Score: 3

6:37pm Sun 23 Mar 14

hedge end bob says...

Today we lost it mentally . When Clyne made that unfortunate mistake and they scored the whole game changed. It's no good going on about fouls that are not given it happens every week . We need too be strong enough to not let that change the way we play. Up until their goal they were hardly in the game. After that goal we just stopped playing the way we were before. Until we learn mental strenght these sort of games will occure throughout the season.
It looks like we will have a fight with NEWCASTLE for the rest of the season to see who wil finish in a respectfull 8th , which will be a good season for us.
Today we lost it mentally . When Clyne made that unfortunate mistake and they scored the whole game changed. It's no good going on about fouls that are not given it happens every week . We need too be strong enough to not let that change the way we play. Up until their goal they were hardly in the game. After that goal we just stopped playing the way we were before. Until we learn mental strenght these sort of games will occure throughout the season. It looks like we will have a fight with NEWCASTLE for the rest of the season to see who wil finish in a respectfull 8th , which will be a good season for us. hedge end bob
  • Score: 8

6:41pm Sun 23 Mar 14

talbot says...

Cline crap
Cline crap talbot
  • Score: -19

6:43pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness says...

Lovren was rightly pilloried for the second goal. You're always going to get a little nudge there, and he was not concentrating, got his centre of gravity too high, and was suckered. It was only a bit of a jostle, no hands, and very few refs will give that. They need to play with more intensity and grit. The other team wanted it more, and Poch needs to learn that the Premier League is a 90-minute plus league and not a stroll-in-the-park league, and learn to motivate his team accordingly.
Lovren was rightly pilloried for the second goal. You're always going to get a little nudge there, and he was not concentrating, got his centre of gravity too high, and was suckered. It was only a bit of a jostle, no hands, and very few refs will give that. They need to play with more intensity and grit. The other team wanted it more, and Poch needs to learn that the Premier League is a 90-minute plus league and not a stroll-in-the-park league, and learn to motivate his team accordingly. Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness
  • Score: 1

6:45pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness says...

While I have to admit that JWP was, amongst others, ball-watching on the winning goal, I don't understand all the praise for Cork. I know he works hard, but his decision-making and passing are sub-par, and he gets muscled off the ball too easily. Being a hard worker is not always enough to be a success at the top level.
While I have to admit that JWP was, amongst others, ball-watching on the winning goal, I don't understand all the praise for Cork. I know he works hard, but his decision-making and passing are sub-par, and he gets muscled off the ball too easily. Being a hard worker is not always enough to be a success at the top level. Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness
  • Score: -12

6:49pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness says...

Oh yeah, I know Lallana scored today - on a nice set-up by Lambert, mind you - but where were the glitter twins at the end of the match? Playing their usual no-contact, no-grit game, losing every challenge, and effectively leaving Saints playing with 9 men. More men and fewer Lallanas and Ramirezs, please.
Oh yeah, I know Lallana scored today - on a nice set-up by Lambert, mind you - but where were the glitter twins at the end of the match? Playing their usual no-contact, no-grit game, losing every challenge, and effectively leaving Saints playing with 9 men. More men and fewer Lallanas and Ramirezs, please. Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness
  • Score: -24

7:05pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Folkestone Saint says...

I thought the spuds best player was the ref, Clyne gets stamped on and the free kick goes the other way, Lovren gets pushed over, nothing given and they score, soldildo backs into Lovren and lovren get booked, AL gets stamped on, nothing given, foul on J Rod, nothing given and spuds go on to score, and they say the ref at the Bridge had a shocker, he only made one noticeable mistake
I thought the spuds best player was the ref, Clyne gets stamped on and the free kick goes the other way, Lovren gets pushed over, nothing given and they score, soldildo backs into Lovren and lovren get booked, AL gets stamped on, nothing given, foul on J Rod, nothing given and spuds go on to score, and they say the ref at the Bridge had a shocker, he only made one noticeable mistake Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 7

7:11pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Baddesley Bill says...

talbot wrote:
Cline crap
Thank you for your insightful comment and constructive criticism of our young England u21 right back. I think you have all the attributes to take up coaching as a full time occupation....

....in Portsmouth.
[quote][p][bold]talbot[/bold] wrote: Cline crap[/p][/quote]Thank you for your insightful comment and constructive criticism of our young England u21 right back. I think you have all the attributes to take up coaching as a full time occupation.... ....in Portsmouth. Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 22

7:22pm Sun 23 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

talbot wrote:
Cline crap
Clyne is ok though.
[quote][p][bold]talbot[/bold] wrote: Cline crap[/p][/quote]Clyne is ok though. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 12

7:23pm Sun 23 Mar 14

angus mc coatup says...

talbot wrote:
Cline crap
Indeed he was.....Clyne was ok though !
[quote][p][bold]talbot[/bold] wrote: Cline crap[/p][/quote]Indeed he was.....Clyne was ok though ! angus mc coatup
  • Score: 10

7:29pm Sun 23 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Dejan Lovren has tweeted, he said, "I'm Sorry". Nuff said.
Dejan Lovren has tweeted, he said, "I'm Sorry". Nuff said. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 11

7:45pm Sun 23 Mar 14

george chivers says...

Lovren was too emotional for too long after he made his mistake. It wasn't a real foul, barely a technical foul, but he lost it for nearly 15 minutes and was only thinking about the linesman and referee until SRL had a word in his ear. Not acceptable for an international player.

I think one of our problems is when we press the ball for long periods the defence loses concentration and clicks out of defensive mode, then gets caught out when it is put under pressure. We need to toughen up mentally and the defenders need to stay in touch with the game when we are attacking and not get detached in their minds from their defensive responsibilities because they've been playing higher up the pitch.
Lovren was too emotional for too long after he made his mistake. It wasn't a real foul, barely a technical foul, but he lost it for nearly 15 minutes and was only thinking about the linesman and referee until SRL had a word in his ear. Not acceptable for an international player. I think one of our problems is when we press the ball for long periods the defence loses concentration and clicks out of defensive mode, then gets caught out when it is put under pressure. We need to toughen up mentally and the defenders need to stay in touch with the game when we are attacking and not get detached in their minds from their defensive responsibilities because they've been playing higher up the pitch. george chivers
  • Score: 3

7:56pm Sun 23 Mar 14

mack chinnon says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
talbot wrote: Cline crap
Thank you for your insightful comment and constructive criticism of our young England u21 right back. I think you have all the attributes to take up coaching as a full time occupation.... ....in Portsmouth.
Nice one centurion, like it, like it.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]talbot[/bold] wrote: Cline crap[/p][/quote]Thank you for your insightful comment and constructive criticism of our young England u21 right back. I think you have all the attributes to take up coaching as a full time occupation.... ....in Portsmouth.[/p][/quote]Nice one centurion, like it, like it. mack chinnon
  • Score: 6

8:27pm Sun 23 Mar 14

StHuey says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Oh yeah, I know Lallana scored today - on a nice set-up by Lambert, mind you - but where were the glitter twins at the end of the match? Playing their usual no-contact, no-grit game, losing every challenge, and effectively leaving Saints playing with 9 men. More men and fewer Lallanas and Ramirezs, please.
So the skates come out from under their rocks. What a surprise.

Get lost you bunch of losers... oh yes... literally... EVERY WEEK. Ha!
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Oh yeah, I know Lallana scored today - on a nice set-up by Lambert, mind you - but where were the glitter twins at the end of the match? Playing their usual no-contact, no-grit game, losing every challenge, and effectively leaving Saints playing with 9 men. More men and fewer Lallanas and Ramirezs, please.[/p][/quote]So the skates come out from under their rocks. What a surprise. Get lost you bunch of losers... oh yes... literally... EVERY WEEK. Ha! StHuey
  • Score: 3

8:29pm Sun 23 Mar 14

StHuey says...

talbot wrote:
Cline crap
Spot the skate... or smell them. Or is that scate? Oh yes, it is skate, because I'm a Saints fan and know how to spell my players names.
[quote][p][bold]talbot[/bold] wrote: Cline crap[/p][/quote]Spot the skate... or smell them. Or is that scate? Oh yes, it is skate, because I'm a Saints fan and know how to spell my players names. StHuey
  • Score: 3

8:36pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Costa Baz says...

peregrine73 wrote:
Long way to go to be in the top 6,we have thrown away good leads many times this season. Consolidate are defence this Summer and we could be a force to reckon with.
You're contradicting yourself.
That we are throwing away leads, rather than having them taken from us, indicates that we are closer to being that force to reckon with, than you think.

We've already improved on last season, so hopefully, if we can keep this group of players together, we can sort out the defensive errors and take the next step upwards, next season.
[quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: Long way to go to be in the top 6,we have thrown away good leads many times this season. Consolidate are defence this Summer and we could be a force to reckon with.[/p][/quote]You're contradicting yourself. That we are throwing away leads, rather than having them taken from us, indicates that we are closer to being that force to reckon with, than you think. We've already improved on last season, so hopefully, if we can keep this group of players together, we can sort out the defensive errors and take the next step upwards, next season. Costa Baz
  • Score: 3

8:48pm Sun 23 Mar 14

SnapperSaint says...

Let's not forget that we scored two sublime goals in the first half and watching El Classico now I think we played similar to Real Madrid in that first half...high line and pressing the player on the ball, it was excellent and spell binding stuff!
All we need to do now is extend that to the full 90 minutes and we'd beat any team in any league...
I guess when the forward play is so good our defensive frailties don't get exposed, when the mid field game goes wrong the defence gets a sterner test and that's where it unravelled today.
Let's not forget that we scored two sublime goals in the first half and watching El Classico now I think we played similar to Real Madrid in that first half...high line and pressing the player on the ball, it was excellent and spell binding stuff! All we need to do now is extend that to the full 90 minutes and we'd beat any team in any league... I guess when the forward play is so good our defensive frailties don't get exposed, when the mid field game goes wrong the defence gets a sterner test and that's where it unravelled today. SnapperSaint
  • Score: -3

8:52pm Sun 23 Mar 14

SnapperSaint says...

george chivers wrote:
Lovren was too emotional for too long after he made his mistake. It wasn't a real foul, barely a technical foul, but he lost it for nearly 15 minutes and was only thinking about the linesman and referee until SRL had a word in his ear. Not acceptable for an international player.

I think one of our problems is when we press the ball for long periods the defence loses concentration and clicks out of defensive mode, then gets caught out when it is put under pressure. We need to toughen up mentally and the defenders need to stay in touch with the game when we are attacking and not get detached in their minds from their defensive responsibilities because they've been playing higher up the pitch.
Look out you'll get 'Saints need physical and mental toughness' excited...that's his/her mantra!
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Lovren was too emotional for too long after he made his mistake. It wasn't a real foul, barely a technical foul, but he lost it for nearly 15 minutes and was only thinking about the linesman and referee until SRL had a word in his ear. Not acceptable for an international player. I think one of our problems is when we press the ball for long periods the defence loses concentration and clicks out of defensive mode, then gets caught out when it is put under pressure. We need to toughen up mentally and the defenders need to stay in touch with the game when we are attacking and not get detached in their minds from their defensive responsibilities because they've been playing higher up the pitch.[/p][/quote]Look out you'll get 'Saints need physical and mental toughness' excited...that's his/her mantra! SnapperSaint
  • Score: 0

9:00pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Saintsteve7 says...

What a fickle bunch those spurs fans are. Had the pleasure of sitting in with them this afternoon and couldn't believe the things that were coming out of there mouths at 0-2 (sack Sherwood, Levy has to go, Saldado not good enough, Erikson too weak) fast forward to the final whistle and they were all singing the praises of their 'heroes' for the win.
Quite how saints could be so impressive in the first half yet not turn up 2nd just beggars belief, confidence looked shot to bits and dare I say it the players looked drained.
Oh well, dust ourselves down and beat the magpies to 8th now, that still make it a great season imo.
What a fickle bunch those spurs fans are. Had the pleasure of sitting in with them this afternoon and couldn't believe the things that were coming out of there mouths at 0-2 (sack Sherwood, Levy has to go, Saldado not good enough, Erikson too weak) fast forward to the final whistle and they were all singing the praises of their 'heroes' for the win. Quite how saints could be so impressive in the first half yet not turn up 2nd just beggars belief, confidence looked shot to bits and dare I say it the players looked drained. Oh well, dust ourselves down and beat the magpies to 8th now, that still make it a great season imo. Saintsteve7
  • Score: 3

9:04pm Sun 23 Mar 14

donni1437 says...

JohnItaly wrote:
jezza wrote:
It is true that Spurs were average at best and we still didn't have enough about us to beat them.

However, we weren't outclassed at all, and there were a lot of positives to come from the game - Chambers and Shaw were excellent, Ward-Prowse and Cork looked impressive, Llallana was his usual class above the rest, and Rodriguez scored an extremely good goal.

Yes, the result was disappointing, but can we really expect to beat the sides that are above us away? I don't think we can yet, but I do think that that time is coming and coming soon.

COYS.
Questions have to be asked about MoPo's tactics. A Sky commentator stated Saints have dropped most points from a winning position in the Premier league so it does beg the question is MoPo a little naive? If so is he willing to learn and adjust?

With regard to our results against teams in the top half we are 14th in that particular league with WBA, West Ham, Stoke, Aston Villa & Sunderland all above us. Sunderland in fact lie 8th. We have only beaten one team in the top half and that is Liverpool, who at the time, thankfully, were without Suarez. The Saints have come along way in the last few years but the journey to the next level will be tougher and will require some astute transfer dealings in the summer and MoPo learning from our mistakes this season and implementing tactical changes at the appropriate time in a game to ensure next season Saints do not hold the "record" for most points dropped from a winning position for the third season consecutively.
bang on, we're way to gung ho at times when leading and that's down to Mopo. Hopefully he and the team will learn to hold what we have more often.
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jezza[/bold] wrote: It is true that Spurs were average at best and we still didn't have enough about us to beat them. However, we weren't outclassed at all, and there were a lot of positives to come from the game - Chambers and Shaw were excellent, Ward-Prowse and Cork looked impressive, Llallana was his usual class above the rest, and Rodriguez scored an extremely good goal. Yes, the result was disappointing, but can we really expect to beat the sides that are above us away? I don't think we can yet, but I do think that that time is coming and coming soon. COYS.[/p][/quote]Questions have to be asked about MoPo's tactics. A Sky commentator stated Saints have dropped most points from a winning position in the Premier league so it does beg the question is MoPo a little naive? If so is he willing to learn and adjust? With regard to our results against teams in the top half we are 14th in that particular league with WBA, West Ham, Stoke, Aston Villa & Sunderland all above us. Sunderland in fact lie 8th. We have only beaten one team in the top half and that is Liverpool, who at the time, thankfully, were without Suarez. The Saints have come along way in the last few years but the journey to the next level will be tougher and will require some astute transfer dealings in the summer and MoPo learning from our mistakes this season and implementing tactical changes at the appropriate time in a game to ensure next season Saints do not hold the "record" for most points dropped from a winning position for the third season consecutively.[/p][/quote]bang on, we're way to gung ho at times when leading and that's down to Mopo. Hopefully he and the team will learn to hold what we have more often. donni1437
  • Score: 2

9:12pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Clever Dick says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Lovren was rightly pilloried for the second goal. You're always going to get a little nudge there, and he was not concentrating, got his centre of gravity too high, and was suckered. It was only a bit of a jostle, no hands, and very few refs will give that. They need to play with more intensity and grit. The other team wanted it more, and Poch needs to learn that the Premier League is a 90-minute plus league and not a stroll-in-the-park league, and learn to motivate his team accordingly.
Lovren was fouled. He was pushed in the back and was put out of position as a result. Cork is an extremely competent player at this level and did OK today with makeshift defensive mid fielders alongside him. We did miss Morgan and with him in the side we would not have conceded three today. I'm sure Poch would be very interested to learn that the Premier league is 90 minutes and not a stroll in the park. And there he was thinking that all games were just 75 minutes. Perhaps you should drop him a line and let him know as it's really quite important that he learns this very quickly.
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Lovren was rightly pilloried for the second goal. You're always going to get a little nudge there, and he was not concentrating, got his centre of gravity too high, and was suckered. It was only a bit of a jostle, no hands, and very few refs will give that. They need to play with more intensity and grit. The other team wanted it more, and Poch needs to learn that the Premier League is a 90-minute plus league and not a stroll-in-the-park league, and learn to motivate his team accordingly.[/p][/quote]Lovren was fouled. He was pushed in the back and was put out of position as a result. Cork is an extremely competent player at this level and did OK today with makeshift defensive mid fielders alongside him. We did miss Morgan and with him in the side we would not have conceded three today. I'm sure Poch would be very interested to learn that the Premier league is 90 minutes and not a stroll in the park. And there he was thinking that all games were just 75 minutes. Perhaps you should drop him a line and let him know as it's really quite important that he learns this very quickly. Clever Dick
  • Score: -2

9:18pm Sun 23 Mar 14

FindAndDestroy says...

Clyne made a mistake, he is a defender and he is entitle to mistakes..
I don't f***ing know why he was taken out...
as soon as he was out, the defence looked shaky as a result we conceded 2 more goals...

not happy at all...
Clyne made a mistake, he is a defender and he is entitle to mistakes.. I don't f***ing know why he was taken out... as soon as he was out, the defence looked shaky as a result we conceded 2 more goals... not happy at all... FindAndDestroy
  • Score: 1

9:22pm Sun 23 Mar 14

iswhite10 says...

Er, we did NOT deserved to come away with something, we GAVE Spurs two goals, and Mauricio, Dejan was NOT fouled! And as for Clyne, words fail me!
I'm so depressed about all this tonight.
If Shaw and others decide to leave, and indeed Pochetino himself, I wouldn't be surprised now.
We CANNOT keep a lead. Jeeez!!!
IF everyone stays this summer , and IF Katharina makes cash available to buy another central defender and top striker, we can go forward, but oh my goodness are we a frustrating side to follow at the moment.
So near and yet so far.
Fingers crossed we're all together (as one?) again in August.....
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
Someone cheer me up please and tell me I'm wrong
Er, we did NOT deserved to come away with something, we GAVE Spurs two goals, and Mauricio, Dejan was NOT fouled! And as for Clyne, words fail me! I'm so depressed about all this tonight. If Shaw and others decide to leave, and indeed Pochetino himself, I wouldn't be surprised now. We CANNOT keep a lead. Jeeez!!! IF everyone stays this summer , and IF Katharina makes cash available to buy another central defender and top striker, we can go forward, but oh my goodness are we a frustrating side to follow at the moment. So near and yet so far. Fingers crossed we're all together (as one?) again in August..... Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Someone cheer me up please and tell me I'm wrong iswhite10
  • Score: -1

9:27pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Lovren was rightly pilloried for the second goal. You're always going to get a little nudge there, and he was not concentrating, got his centre of gravity too high, and was suckered. It was only a bit of a jostle, no hands, and very few refs will give that. They need to play with more intensity and grit. The other team wanted it more, and Poch needs to learn that the Premier League is a 90-minute plus league and not a stroll-in-the-park league, and learn to motivate his team accordingly.
Lovren was fouled. He was pushed in the back and was put out of position as a result. Cork is an extremely competent player at this level and did OK today with makeshift defensive mid fielders alongside him. We did miss Morgan and with him in the side we would not have conceded three today. I'm sure Poch would be very interested to learn that the Premier league is 90 minutes and not a stroll in the park. And there he was thinking that all games were just 75 minutes. Perhaps you should drop him a line and let him know as it's really quite important that he learns this very quickly.
Dry your tears, Dicky. What's with all the misplaced bro love for a fallible manager?
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Lovren was rightly pilloried for the second goal. You're always going to get a little nudge there, and he was not concentrating, got his centre of gravity too high, and was suckered. It was only a bit of a jostle, no hands, and very few refs will give that. They need to play with more intensity and grit. The other team wanted it more, and Poch needs to learn that the Premier League is a 90-minute plus league and not a stroll-in-the-park league, and learn to motivate his team accordingly.[/p][/quote]Lovren was fouled. He was pushed in the back and was put out of position as a result. Cork is an extremely competent player at this level and did OK today with makeshift defensive mid fielders alongside him. We did miss Morgan and with him in the side we would not have conceded three today. I'm sure Poch would be very interested to learn that the Premier league is 90 minutes and not a stroll in the park. And there he was thinking that all games were just 75 minutes. Perhaps you should drop him a line and let him know as it's really quite important that he learns this very quickly.[/p][/quote]Dry your tears, Dicky. What's with all the misplaced bro love for a fallible manager? Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness
  • Score: -5

9:30pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Baddesley Bill says...

iswhite10 wrote:
Er, we did NOT deserved to come away with something, we GAVE Spurs two goals, and Mauricio, Dejan was NOT fouled! And as for Clyne, words fail me!
I'm so depressed about all this tonight.
If Shaw and others decide to leave, and indeed Pochetino himself, I wouldn't be surprised now.
We CANNOT keep a lead. Jeeez!!!
IF everyone stays this summer , and IF Katharina makes cash available to buy another central defender and top striker, we can go forward, but oh my goodness are we a frustrating side to follow at the moment.
So near and yet so far.
Fingers crossed we're all together (as one?) again in August.....
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
Someone cheer me up please and tell me I'm wrong
You're wrong. Now, man up!!!!
[quote][p][bold]iswhite10[/bold] wrote: Er, we did NOT deserved to come away with something, we GAVE Spurs two goals, and Mauricio, Dejan was NOT fouled! And as for Clyne, words fail me! I'm so depressed about all this tonight. If Shaw and others decide to leave, and indeed Pochetino himself, I wouldn't be surprised now. We CANNOT keep a lead. Jeeez!!! IF everyone stays this summer , and IF Katharina makes cash available to buy another central defender and top striker, we can go forward, but oh my goodness are we a frustrating side to follow at the moment. So near and yet so far. Fingers crossed we're all together (as one?) again in August..... Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Someone cheer me up please and tell me I'm wrong[/p][/quote]You're wrong. Now, man up!!!! Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 4

9:34pm Sun 23 Mar 14

angus mc coatup says...

iswhite10 wrote:
Er, we did NOT deserved to come away with something, we GAVE Spurs two goals, and Mauricio, Dejan was NOT fouled! And as for Clyne, words fail me!
I'm so depressed about all this tonight.
If Shaw and others decide to leave, and indeed Pochetino himself, I wouldn't be surprised now.
We CANNOT keep a lead. Jeeez!!!
IF everyone stays this summer , and IF Katharina makes cash available to buy another central defender and top striker, we can go forward, but oh my goodness are we a frustrating side to follow at the moment.
So near and yet so far.
Fingers crossed we're all together (as one?) again in August.....
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
Someone cheer me up please and tell me I'm wrong
Blimey ! grow a pair will you. Oh and stay away from the medicine cabinet.
[quote][p][bold]iswhite10[/bold] wrote: Er, we did NOT deserved to come away with something, we GAVE Spurs two goals, and Mauricio, Dejan was NOT fouled! And as for Clyne, words fail me! I'm so depressed about all this tonight. If Shaw and others decide to leave, and indeed Pochetino himself, I wouldn't be surprised now. We CANNOT keep a lead. Jeeez!!! IF everyone stays this summer , and IF Katharina makes cash available to buy another central defender and top striker, we can go forward, but oh my goodness are we a frustrating side to follow at the moment. So near and yet so far. Fingers crossed we're all together (as one?) again in August..... Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Someone cheer me up please and tell me I'm wrong[/p][/quote]Blimey ! grow a pair will you. Oh and stay away from the medicine cabinet. angus mc coatup
  • Score: 2

9:44pm Sun 23 Mar 14

FindAndDestroy says...

Confucious wrote:
We are staying up! We are staying up!
I think it is time to move on a little bit beyond the sole idea of staying up....
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: We are staying up! We are staying up![/p][/quote]I think it is time to move on a little bit beyond the sole idea of staying up.... FindAndDestroy
  • Score: -1

9:46pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Clever Dick says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Lovren was rightly pilloried for the second goal. You're always going to get a little nudge there, and he was not concentrating, got his centre of gravity too high, and was suckered. It was only a bit of a jostle, no hands, and very few refs will give that. They need to play with more intensity and grit. The other team wanted it more, and Poch needs to learn that the Premier League is a 90-minute plus league and not a stroll-in-the-park league, and learn to motivate his team accordingly.
Lovren was fouled. He was pushed in the back and was put out of position as a result. Cork is an extremely competent player at this level and did OK today with makeshift defensive mid fielders alongside him. We did miss Morgan and with him in the side we would not have conceded three today. I'm sure Poch would be very interested to learn that the Premier league is 90 minutes and not a stroll in the park. And there he was thinking that all games were just 75 minutes. Perhaps you should drop him a line and let him know as it's really quite important that he learns this very quickly.
Dry your tears, Dicky. What's with all the misplaced bro love for a fallible manager?
It's Richard to you. I think you will find that all managers are fallible on occasions. Ask Arsene Wenger. I think you will also find that all players are fallible on occasion too. And judging by the cr-p comments you are so fond of posting it would seem you are the most fallible of all.
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Lovren was rightly pilloried for the second goal. You're always going to get a little nudge there, and he was not concentrating, got his centre of gravity too high, and was suckered. It was only a bit of a jostle, no hands, and very few refs will give that. They need to play with more intensity and grit. The other team wanted it more, and Poch needs to learn that the Premier League is a 90-minute plus league and not a stroll-in-the-park league, and learn to motivate his team accordingly.[/p][/quote]Lovren was fouled. He was pushed in the back and was put out of position as a result. Cork is an extremely competent player at this level and did OK today with makeshift defensive mid fielders alongside him. We did miss Morgan and with him in the side we would not have conceded three today. I'm sure Poch would be very interested to learn that the Premier league is 90 minutes and not a stroll in the park. And there he was thinking that all games were just 75 minutes. Perhaps you should drop him a line and let him know as it's really quite important that he learns this very quickly.[/p][/quote]Dry your tears, Dicky. What's with all the misplaced bro love for a fallible manager?[/p][/quote]It's Richard to you. I think you will find that all managers are fallible on occasions. Ask Arsene Wenger. I think you will also find that all players are fallible on occasion too. And judging by the cr-p comments you are so fond of posting it would seem you are the most fallible of all. Clever Dick
  • Score: 3

9:50pm Sun 23 Mar 14

ghk230473 says...

Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season. ghk230473
  • Score: 1

9:54pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Baddesley Bill says...

FindAndDestroy wrote:
Confucious wrote:
We are staying up! We are staying up!
I think it is time to move on a little bit beyond the sole idea of staying up....
I think there was a little irony (aimed at the negs) intended in the comment...
[quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: We are staying up! We are staying up![/p][/quote]I think it is time to move on a little bit beyond the sole idea of staying up....[/p][/quote]I think there was a little irony (aimed at the negs) intended in the comment... Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 1

9:56pm Sun 23 Mar 14

el caballo santos101 says...

I like both chambers and clyne and think they could both go on to be top quality international players. I thought though that we lost our attacking play down the right side in the second when chambers replaced clyne. not faulting chambers though as I don't know why the change was made or how chambers was told to play in the second half. was clyne injured by one of the bad rose tackles that went unpunished? or was he taken off for making the mistake for their goal? MP has history of taking off players who make mistakes, Big Vic was replaced once for making a bad mistake.
I like both chambers and clyne and think they could both go on to be top quality international players. I thought though that we lost our attacking play down the right side in the second when chambers replaced clyne. not faulting chambers though as I don't know why the change was made or how chambers was told to play in the second half. was clyne injured by one of the bad rose tackles that went unpunished? or was he taken off for making the mistake for their goal? MP has history of taking off players who make mistakes, Big Vic was replaced once for making a bad mistake. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 2

9:56pm Sun 23 Mar 14

FindAndDestroy says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Oh yeah, I know Lallana scored today - on a nice set-up by Lambert, mind you - but where were the glitter twins at the end of the match? Playing their usual no-contact, no-grit game, losing every challenge, and effectively leaving Saints playing with 9 men. More men and fewer Lallanas and Ramirezs, please.
May your peculiar stupidity of saints criticism never cease to amuse you sir .....
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Oh yeah, I know Lallana scored today - on a nice set-up by Lambert, mind you - but where were the glitter twins at the end of the match? Playing their usual no-contact, no-grit game, losing every challenge, and effectively leaving Saints playing with 9 men. More men and fewer Lallanas and Ramirezs, please.[/p][/quote]May your peculiar stupidity of saints criticism never cease to amuse you sir ..... FindAndDestroy
  • Score: 7

9:57pm Sun 23 Mar 14

FindAndDestroy says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
FindAndDestroy wrote:
Confucious wrote:
We are staying up! We are staying up!
I think it is time to move on a little bit beyond the sole idea of staying up....
I think there was a little irony (aimed at the negs) intended in the comment...
I see...point taken
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: We are staying up! We are staying up![/p][/quote]I think it is time to move on a little bit beyond the sole idea of staying up....[/p][/quote]I think there was a little irony (aimed at the negs) intended in the comment...[/p][/quote]I see...point taken FindAndDestroy
  • Score: 1

10:05pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Baddesley Bill says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins. Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 2

10:20pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

A lot of sh!te talked on here tonight. We were two up and cruising and then Clyne made a blunder. I'm not going to castigate him for that, he's young and these things happen. Sadly it lead to a total transformation in the confidence of both sides - theirs up and ours down - on another day we'd have won 5-0.
A lot of sh!te talked on here tonight. We were two up and cruising and then Clyne made a blunder. I'm not going to castigate him for that, he's young and these things happen. Sadly it lead to a total transformation in the confidence of both sides - theirs up and ours down - on another day we'd have won 5-0. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

10:22pm Sun 23 Mar 14

ghk230473 says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.
Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt?
I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.[/p][/quote]Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt? I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner. ghk230473
  • Score: -3

10:29pm Sun 23 Mar 14

donni1437 says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
While I have to admit that JWP was, amongst others, ball-watching on the winning goal, I don't understand all the praise for Cork. I know he works hard, but his decision-making and passing are sub-par, and he gets muscled off the ball too easily. Being a hard worker is not always enough to be a success at the top level.
I too have yet to fall for Cork, he's a decent enough player but I just don't see what other fans do?
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: While I have to admit that JWP was, amongst others, ball-watching on the winning goal, I don't understand all the praise for Cork. I know he works hard, but his decision-making and passing are sub-par, and he gets muscled off the ball too easily. Being a hard worker is not always enough to be a success at the top level.[/p][/quote]I too have yet to fall for Cork, he's a decent enough player but I just don't see what other fans do? donni1437
  • Score: -5

10:30pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

And please will you see the skates who post on here! They're not difficult to spot - never posted before and full of inane criticism.

Bill and I are going to Northampton v Skates on 21st April and we fully expect them to go out of the league. We however are going to end up 9th at worst (8th hopefully as I have money on that). Let's get out priorities right.
And please will you see the skates who post on here! They're not difficult to spot - never posted before and full of inane criticism. Bill and I are going to Northampton v Skates on 21st April and we fully expect them to go out of the league. We however are going to end up 9th at worst (8th hopefully as I have money on that). Let's get out priorities right. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 5

10:32pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.
Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt?
I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.
Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.[/p][/quote]Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt? I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.[/p][/quote]Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

10:45pm Sun 23 Mar 14

ghk230473 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.
Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt?
I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.
Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.
Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.[/p][/quote]Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt? I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.[/p][/quote]Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.[/p][/quote]Our 2 biggest signings have flopped. ghk230473
  • Score: -2

10:56pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.
Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt?
I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.
Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.
Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.
Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them:

Boruc (free)
Shaw (free)
Fonte (£1m)
Lovren (£7m)
Chambers (free)
Lallana (free)
Schneiderlin (£2m)
Davis (£2m)
Cork (£750k)
Rodriguez (£7m)
Lambert (£1m)

then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league....

It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.[/p][/quote]Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt? I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.[/p][/quote]Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.[/p][/quote]Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.[/p][/quote]Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them: Boruc (free) Shaw (free) Fonte (£1m) Lovren (£7m) Chambers (free) Lallana (free) Schneiderlin (£2m) Davis (£2m) Cork (£750k) Rodriguez (£7m) Lambert (£1m) then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league.... It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 6

11:02pm Sun 23 Mar 14

ghk230473 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.
Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt?
I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.
Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.
Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.
Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them:

Boruc (free)
Shaw (free)
Fonte (£1m)
Lovren (£7m)
Chambers (free)
Lallana (free)
Schneiderlin (£2m)
Davis (£2m)
Cork (£750k)
Rodriguez (£7m)
Lambert (£1m)

then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league....

It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.
There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.[/p][/quote]Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt? I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.[/p][/quote]Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.[/p][/quote]Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.[/p][/quote]Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them: Boruc (free) Shaw (free) Fonte (£1m) Lovren (£7m) Chambers (free) Lallana (free) Schneiderlin (£2m) Davis (£2m) Cork (£750k) Rodriguez (£7m) Lambert (£1m) then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league.... It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.[/p][/quote]There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United. ghk230473
  • Score: -4

11:05pm Sun 23 Mar 14

el caballo santos101 says...

why is it that when we lose, after being in a winning position, we get the same tired old `we haven't got a plan B` comments from the same fans who moan that MP has got it wrong in other games where he has tried something different? norwch away and blunderland in the cup, we lost both games after a change in system or style and people moan that we haven't played our usual high pressing game.
the same high pressing game that diverpool are now playing, they are going for the tittle and they still ship plenty of goals, difference is they have got suarez
why is it that when we lose, after being in a winning position, we get the same tired old `we haven't got a plan B` comments from the same fans who moan that MP has got it wrong in other games where he has tried something different? norwch away and blunderland in the cup, we lost both games after a change in system or style and people moan that we haven't played our usual high pressing game. the same high pressing game that diverpool are now playing, they are going for the tittle and they still ship plenty of goals, difference is they have got suarez el caballo santos101
  • Score: 8

11:05pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.
Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt?
I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.
Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.
Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.
Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them:

Boruc (free)
Shaw (free)
Fonte (£1m)
Lovren (£7m)
Chambers (free)
Lallana (free)
Schneiderlin (£2m)
Davis (£2m)
Cork (£750k)
Rodriguez (£7m)
Lambert (£1m)

then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league....

It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.
There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.
Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.[/p][/quote]Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt? I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.[/p][/quote]Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.[/p][/quote]Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.[/p][/quote]Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them: Boruc (free) Shaw (free) Fonte (£1m) Lovren (£7m) Chambers (free) Lallana (free) Schneiderlin (£2m) Davis (£2m) Cork (£750k) Rodriguez (£7m) Lambert (£1m) then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league.... It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.[/p][/quote]There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.[/p][/quote]Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

11:07pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Santa Retfordia says...

Right, stop knobbing about. Can someone please explain to me how twitter works and how I can call Peter Schmeichel a bacon-faced c@nt? Cheers etc.
Right, stop knobbing about. Can someone please explain to me how twitter works and how I can call Peter Schmeichel a bacon-faced c@nt? Cheers etc. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 5

11:12pm Sun 23 Mar 14

ghk230473 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.
Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt?
I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.
Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.
Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.
Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them:

Boruc (free)
Shaw (free)
Fonte (£1m)
Lovren (£7m)
Chambers (free)
Lallana (free)
Schneiderlin (£2m)
Davis (£2m)
Cork (£750k)
Rodriguez (£7m)
Lambert (£1m)

then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league....

It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.
There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.
Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.
?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.[/p][/quote]Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt? I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.[/p][/quote]Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.[/p][/quote]Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.[/p][/quote]Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them: Boruc (free) Shaw (free) Fonte (£1m) Lovren (£7m) Chambers (free) Lallana (free) Schneiderlin (£2m) Davis (£2m) Cork (£750k) Rodriguez (£7m) Lambert (£1m) then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league.... It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.[/p][/quote]There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.[/p][/quote]Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.[/p][/quote]?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases. ghk230473
  • Score: -1

11:24pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.
Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt?
I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.
Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.
Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.
Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them:

Boruc (free)
Shaw (free)
Fonte (£1m)
Lovren (£7m)
Chambers (free)
Lallana (free)
Schneiderlin (£2m)
Davis (£2m)
Cork (£750k)
Rodriguez (£7m)
Lambert (£1m)

then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league....

It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.
There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.
Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.
?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.
Do you know we not only offered a higher transfer fee for Coutinho but also higher wages? Now he chose Liverpool over Saints for obvious reasons - I can't knock him for that - but it shows we are competing.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.[/p][/quote]Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt? I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.[/p][/quote]Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.[/p][/quote]Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.[/p][/quote]Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them: Boruc (free) Shaw (free) Fonte (£1m) Lovren (£7m) Chambers (free) Lallana (free) Schneiderlin (£2m) Davis (£2m) Cork (£750k) Rodriguez (£7m) Lambert (£1m) then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league.... It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.[/p][/quote]There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.[/p][/quote]Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.[/p][/quote]?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.[/p][/quote]Do you know we not only offered a higher transfer fee for Coutinho but also higher wages? Now he chose Liverpool over Saints for obvious reasons - I can't knock him for that - but it shows we are competing. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

11:27pm Sun 23 Mar 14

el caballo santos101 says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.
Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt?
I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.
Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.
Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.
Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them:

Boruc (free)
Shaw (free)
Fonte (£1m)
Lovren (£7m)
Chambers (free)
Lallana (free)
Schneiderlin (£2m)
Davis (£2m)
Cork (£750k)
Rodriguez (£7m)
Lambert (£1m)

then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league....

It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.
There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.
Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.
?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.
and bookies are never wrong are they? we were odds on to go straight back down last year and hoof were favourites to get auto promotion in the championship whilst Reading and us weren't in the running (at the start of the season). oh and poopey have been favourites to get promoted for the last 2 seasons! hows that going for them!
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.[/p][/quote]Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt? I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.[/p][/quote]Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.[/p][/quote]Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.[/p][/quote]Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them: Boruc (free) Shaw (free) Fonte (£1m) Lovren (£7m) Chambers (free) Lallana (free) Schneiderlin (£2m) Davis (£2m) Cork (£750k) Rodriguez (£7m) Lambert (£1m) then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league.... It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.[/p][/quote]There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.[/p][/quote]Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.[/p][/quote]?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.[/p][/quote]and bookies are never wrong are they? we were odds on to go straight back down last year and hoof were favourites to get auto promotion in the championship whilst Reading and us weren't in the running (at the start of the season). oh and poopey have been favourites to get promoted for the last 2 seasons! hows that going for them! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 5

11:29pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Precisely. The bookies favourites to 'rip up' League two - or the fourth division as I like to call it - are now facing the abyss.
Precisely. The bookies favourites to 'rip up' League two - or the fourth division as I like to call it - are now facing the abyss. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

11:31pm Sun 23 Mar 14

ghk230473 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.
Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt?
I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.
Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.
Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.
Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them:

Boruc (free)
Shaw (free)
Fonte (£1m)
Lovren (£7m)
Chambers (free)
Lallana (free)
Schneiderlin (£2m)
Davis (£2m)
Cork (£750k)
Rodriguez (£7m)
Lambert (£1m)

then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league....

It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.
There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.
Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.
?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.
Do you know we not only offered a higher transfer fee for Coutinho but also higher wages? Now he chose Liverpool over Saints for obvious reasons - I can't knock him for that - but it shows we are competing.
I was aware yes, but we will become more attractive to potential signings will just take time.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.[/p][/quote]Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt? I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.[/p][/quote]Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.[/p][/quote]Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.[/p][/quote]Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them: Boruc (free) Shaw (free) Fonte (£1m) Lovren (£7m) Chambers (free) Lallana (free) Schneiderlin (£2m) Davis (£2m) Cork (£750k) Rodriguez (£7m) Lambert (£1m) then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league.... It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.[/p][/quote]There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.[/p][/quote]Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.[/p][/quote]?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.[/p][/quote]Do you know we not only offered a higher transfer fee for Coutinho but also higher wages? Now he chose Liverpool over Saints for obvious reasons - I can't knock him for that - but it shows we are competing.[/p][/quote]I was aware yes, but we will become more attractive to potential signings will just take time. ghk230473
  • Score: 0

11:32pm Sun 23 Mar 14

el caballo santos101 says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.
Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt?
I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.
Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.
Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.
Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them:

Boruc (free)
Shaw (free)
Fonte (£1m)
Lovren (£7m)
Chambers (free)
Lallana (free)
Schneiderlin (£2m)
Davis (£2m)
Cork (£750k)
Rodriguez (£7m)
Lambert (£1m)

then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league....

It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.
There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.
Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.
?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.
and bookies are never wrong are they? we were odds on to go straight back down last year and hoof were favourites to get auto promotion in the championship whilst Reading and us weren't in the running (at the start of the season). oh and poopey have been favourites to get promoted for the last 2 seasons! hows that going for them!
forgot to add that lalla wasn't free, he cost £18k +25% sell on clause. so allmouth are likely to get a fortune if we were to sell him for doing very little. shame we couldn't have put a sell on clause in bales deal seeing as we were happy to give them to other teams!
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.[/p][/quote]Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt? I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.[/p][/quote]Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.[/p][/quote]Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.[/p][/quote]Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them: Boruc (free) Shaw (free) Fonte (£1m) Lovren (£7m) Chambers (free) Lallana (free) Schneiderlin (£2m) Davis (£2m) Cork (£750k) Rodriguez (£7m) Lambert (£1m) then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league.... It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.[/p][/quote]There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.[/p][/quote]Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.[/p][/quote]?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.[/p][/quote]and bookies are never wrong are they? we were odds on to go straight back down last year and hoof were favourites to get auto promotion in the championship whilst Reading and us weren't in the running (at the start of the season). oh and poopey have been favourites to get promoted for the last 2 seasons! hows that going for them![/p][/quote]forgot to add that lalla wasn't free, he cost £18k +25% sell on clause. so allmouth are likely to get a fortune if we were to sell him for doing very little. shame we couldn't have put a sell on clause in bales deal seeing as we were happy to give them to other teams! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 2

11:45pm Sun 23 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Too much misery on here tonight and the reek of fish is a bit overwhelming, I guess none of the neggies on here saw the Sky famous four interviews before the game, otherwise they may have a slightly different view about what the players actually want to do. Absolutely no hint of wanting away and stressing how the camaraderie was responsible for their recent success, are you going to disrespect them and call them hypocrites? That isn't how I would go about supporting my team. Nor is spreading bogus B/s transfer rumours, if you believe them all we won't have a team to field at all next Season, and that is probably what some of you deserve.
Too much misery on here tonight and the reek of fish is a bit overwhelming, I guess none of the neggies on here saw the Sky famous four interviews before the game, otherwise they may have a slightly different view about what the players actually want to do. Absolutely no hint of wanting away and stressing how the camaraderie was responsible for their recent success, are you going to disrespect them and call them hypocrites? That isn't how I would go about supporting my team. Nor is spreading bogus B/s transfer rumours, if you believe them all we won't have a team to field at all next Season, and that is probably what some of you deserve. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:49pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.
Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt?
I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.
Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.
Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.
Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them:

Boruc (free)
Shaw (free)
Fonte (£1m)
Lovren (£7m)
Chambers (free)
Lallana (free)
Schneiderlin (£2m)
Davis (£2m)
Cork (£750k)
Rodriguez (£7m)
Lambert (£1m)

then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league....

It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.
There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.
Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.
?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.
Do you know we not only offered a higher transfer fee for Coutinho but also higher wages? Now he chose Liverpool over Saints for obvious reasons - I can't knock him for that - but it shows we are competing.
I was aware yes, but we will become more attractive to potential signings will just take time.
Precisely. My point was we are competing on wages so Luke, Adam, Jay etc won't leave for money but may well leave if a top 4 club comes calling.

I firmly believe MoPo and the players will stay if Krueger comes out and says we are not selling (in the Cortese horses head way) and will add players to the existing team (which was cheaply assembled) to push on to achieve the Vision. If however he doesn't share that view then yes we will lose top assets and move backwards.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.[/p][/quote]Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt? I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.[/p][/quote]Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.[/p][/quote]Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.[/p][/quote]Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them: Boruc (free) Shaw (free) Fonte (£1m) Lovren (£7m) Chambers (free) Lallana (free) Schneiderlin (£2m) Davis (£2m) Cork (£750k) Rodriguez (£7m) Lambert (£1m) then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league.... It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.[/p][/quote]There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.[/p][/quote]Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.[/p][/quote]?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.[/p][/quote]Do you know we not only offered a higher transfer fee for Coutinho but also higher wages? Now he chose Liverpool over Saints for obvious reasons - I can't knock him for that - but it shows we are competing.[/p][/quote]I was aware yes, but we will become more attractive to potential signings will just take time.[/p][/quote]Precisely. My point was we are competing on wages so Luke, Adam, Jay etc won't leave for money but may well leave if a top 4 club comes calling. I firmly believe MoPo and the players will stay if Krueger comes out and says we are not selling (in the Cortese horses head way) and will add players to the existing team (which was cheaply assembled) to push on to achieve the Vision. If however he doesn't share that view then yes we will lose top assets and move backwards. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

12:02am Mon 24 Mar 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.
Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt?
I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.
Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.
Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.
Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them:

Boruc (free)
Shaw (free)
Fonte (£1m)
Lovren (£7m)
Chambers (free)
Lallana (free)
Schneiderlin (£2m)
Davis (£2m)
Cork (£750k)
Rodriguez (£7m)
Lambert (£1m)

then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league....

It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.
There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.
Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.
?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.
and bookies are never wrong are they? we were odds on to go straight back down last year and hoof were favourites to get auto promotion in the championship whilst Reading and us weren't in the running (at the start of the season). oh and poopey have been favourites to get promoted for the last 2 seasons! hows that going for them!
forgot to add that lalla wasn't free, he cost £18k +25% sell on clause. so allmouth are likely to get a fortune if we were to sell him for doing very little. shame we couldn't have put a sell on clause in bales deal seeing as we were happy to give them to other teams!
Sell on clauses are interesting. Some think the higher the better - but - if you had say a 50% sell on and a club offered £20m for a player it's only £10m to the selling club so they will view it that way.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.[/p][/quote]Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt? I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.[/p][/quote]Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.[/p][/quote]Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.[/p][/quote]Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them: Boruc (free) Shaw (free) Fonte (£1m) Lovren (£7m) Chambers (free) Lallana (free) Schneiderlin (£2m) Davis (£2m) Cork (£750k) Rodriguez (£7m) Lambert (£1m) then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league.... It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.[/p][/quote]There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.[/p][/quote]Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.[/p][/quote]?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.[/p][/quote]and bookies are never wrong are they? we were odds on to go straight back down last year and hoof were favourites to get auto promotion in the championship whilst Reading and us weren't in the running (at the start of the season). oh and poopey have been favourites to get promoted for the last 2 seasons! hows that going for them![/p][/quote]forgot to add that lalla wasn't free, he cost £18k +25% sell on clause. so allmouth are likely to get a fortune if we were to sell him for doing very little. shame we couldn't have put a sell on clause in bales deal seeing as we were happy to give them to other teams![/p][/quote]Sell on clauses are interesting. Some think the higher the better - but - if you had say a 50% sell on and a club offered £20m for a player it's only £10m to the selling club so they will view it that way. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

1:03am Mon 24 Mar 14

StHuey says...

FindAndDestroy wrote:
Confucious wrote:
We are staying up! We are staying up!
I think it is time to move on a little bit beyond the sole idea of staying up....
Look up satire, why don't you?
[quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: We are staying up! We are staying up![/p][/quote]I think it is time to move on a little bit beyond the sole idea of staying up....[/p][/quote]Look up satire, why don't you? StHuey
  • Score: 1

1:08am Mon 24 Mar 14

StHuey says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
Does it? Cork has been class since coming in, but we were in the Top 4 without him playing. Or have you forgotten that already?
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]Does it? Cork has been class since coming in, but we were in the Top 4 without him playing. Or have you forgotten that already? StHuey
  • Score: 2

2:18am Mon 24 Mar 14

FindAndDestroy says...

StHuey wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
Does it? Cork has been class since coming in, but we were in the Top 4 without him playing. Or have you forgotten that already?
The fact is since we lost the combination of our back four Lovren, Fonte, Clyne, Shaw and our defensive Midfielders Wanyama and Morgan we went down from 3rd to 9th.. we have conceded more goals since Cork has been in...

Cork is only good at passing, he isnt good at tackling or protecting our defense,,,,that's the hard truth ...

Wanyama is not good at passing but he is good at tackling and protecting our defense...

I dont really care who plays, what i want is the winning team, that's all matters to me..
[quote][p][bold]StHuey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]Does it? Cork has been class since coming in, but we were in the Top 4 without him playing. Or have you forgotten that already?[/p][/quote]The fact is since we lost the combination of our back four Lovren, Fonte, Clyne, Shaw and our defensive Midfielders Wanyama and Morgan we went down from 3rd to 9th.. we have conceded more goals since Cork has been in... Cork is only good at passing, he isnt good at tackling or protecting our defense,,,,that's the hard truth ... Wanyama is not good at passing but he is good at tackling and protecting our defense... I dont really care who plays, what i want is the winning team, that's all matters to me.. FindAndDestroy
  • Score: 3

2:46am Mon 24 Mar 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Isn't it funny how so many poopey fans seem to know so much about football after we've lost a game!
Shame for them that they cant put all that knowledge into practice seeing as they are the owners of their club, sorry I forgot the majority of them didn't stump up any money!
Isn't it funny how so many poopey fans seem to know so much about football after we've lost a game! Shame for them that they cant put all that knowledge into practice seeing as they are the owners of their club, sorry I forgot the majority of them didn't stump up any money! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 2

7:27am Mon 24 Mar 14

Velleity says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.
Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt?
I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.
Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.
Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.
Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them:

Boruc (free)
Shaw (free)
Fonte (£1m)
Lovren (£7m)
Chambers (free)
Lallana (free)
Schneiderlin (£2m)
Davis (£2m)
Cork (£750k)
Rodriguez (£7m)
Lambert (£1m)

then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league....

It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.
There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.
Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.
?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.
Even taking those odds at face value, that implies a 28% chance of his going. Add in a profit margin for a single event at about 30% and that would suggest the bookies think he's about a 20% chance to go. So, not a nailed-on certainty even if they were correct in their assessment.

And, be honest, who has "alleged" that Shaw's moving to City? He's been linked to every team above us by every single newspaper over the past two months. Of course he may go but why would a decision have been made about a club before a bidding match started? It would be barmy for the club and for him. If he does go, there'll be a bunfight amongst potential suitors not a quiet early deal.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.[/p][/quote]Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt? I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.[/p][/quote]Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.[/p][/quote]Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.[/p][/quote]Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them: Boruc (free) Shaw (free) Fonte (£1m) Lovren (£7m) Chambers (free) Lallana (free) Schneiderlin (£2m) Davis (£2m) Cork (£750k) Rodriguez (£7m) Lambert (£1m) then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league.... It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.[/p][/quote]There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.[/p][/quote]Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.[/p][/quote]?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.[/p][/quote]Even taking those odds at face value, that implies a 28% chance of his going. Add in a profit margin for a single event at about 30% and that would suggest the bookies think he's about a 20% chance to go. So, not a nailed-on certainty even if they were correct in their assessment. And, be honest, who has "alleged" that Shaw's moving to City? He's been linked to every team above us by every single newspaper over the past two months. Of course he may go but why would a decision have been made about a club before a bidding match started? It would be barmy for the club and for him. If he does go, there'll be a bunfight amongst potential suitors not a quiet early deal. Velleity
  • Score: 3

9:16am Mon 24 Mar 14

ghk230473 says...

Velleity wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.
Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt?
I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.
Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.
Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.
Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them:

Boruc (free)
Shaw (free)
Fonte (£1m)
Lovren (£7m)
Chambers (free)
Lallana (free)
Schneiderlin (£2m)
Davis (£2m)
Cork (£750k)
Rodriguez (£7m)
Lambert (£1m)

then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league....

It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.
There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.
Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.
?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.
Even taking those odds at face value, that implies a 28% chance of his going. Add in a profit margin for a single event at about 30% and that would suggest the bookies think he's about a 20% chance to go. So, not a nailed-on certainty even if they were correct in their assessment.

And, be honest, who has "alleged" that Shaw's moving to City? He's been linked to every team above us by every single newspaper over the past two months. Of course he may go but why would a decision have been made about a club before a bidding match started? It would be barmy for the club and for him. If he does go, there'll be a bunfight amongst potential suitors not a quiet early deal.
Well you're the bore that brings up past posts, after a successful World Cup and if injury free lallana will receive offers hard to turn down. Shaw is city bound, from his mum. If this doesn't happen I'm sure you will take great delight in letting me know!
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.[/p][/quote]Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt? I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.[/p][/quote]Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.[/p][/quote]Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.[/p][/quote]Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them: Boruc (free) Shaw (free) Fonte (£1m) Lovren (£7m) Chambers (free) Lallana (free) Schneiderlin (£2m) Davis (£2m) Cork (£750k) Rodriguez (£7m) Lambert (£1m) then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league.... It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.[/p][/quote]There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.[/p][/quote]Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.[/p][/quote]?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.[/p][/quote]Even taking those odds at face value, that implies a 28% chance of his going. Add in a profit margin for a single event at about 30% and that would suggest the bookies think he's about a 20% chance to go. So, not a nailed-on certainty even if they were correct in their assessment. And, be honest, who has "alleged" that Shaw's moving to City? He's been linked to every team above us by every single newspaper over the past two months. Of course he may go but why would a decision have been made about a club before a bidding match started? It would be barmy for the club and for him. If he does go, there'll be a bunfight amongst potential suitors not a quiet early deal.[/p][/quote]Well you're the bore that brings up past posts, after a successful World Cup and if injury free lallana will receive offers hard to turn down. Shaw is city bound, from his mum. If this doesn't happen I'm sure you will take great delight in letting me know! ghk230473
  • Score: -3

9:37am Mon 24 Mar 14

drkensta says...

Shaw is an excellent England prospect, but not the finished article yet. He likes to act as an attacking winger, but does not get back quick enough to his defensive position. His priority should be as a defensive player, but he gets stranded in midfield when he should be on the left of the back four. Consequently Lovren has to come across to cover his absence, which leaves the middle of the defence exposed. Both of Spurs first two goals came from crosses played in from the left at which times Shaw was out of position. Andrew Cole is far better than Shaw in covering his allotted defensive position and so I would think the man to go to Brazil.
Shaw is an excellent England prospect, but not the finished article yet. He likes to act as an attacking winger, but does not get back quick enough to his defensive position. His priority should be as a defensive player, but he gets stranded in midfield when he should be on the left of the back four. Consequently Lovren has to come across to cover his absence, which leaves the middle of the defence exposed. Both of Spurs first two goals came from crosses played in from the left at which times Shaw was out of position. Andrew Cole is far better than Shaw in covering his allotted defensive position and so I would think the man to go to Brazil. drkensta
  • Score: -1

9:50am Mon 24 Mar 14

Clever Dick says...

What's the big problem with players moving? Spuds lost Gareth Bale. Manure lost Ronaldo. Arsenal lost Van Persie and Fabregas etc etc etc. And what is the common denominator in all of these moves? A huge transfer fee. It isn't the end of a club if a few players move on, it is actually just a logical progression Been happening in fottball for many years and isn't likely to end soon.
What's the big problem with players moving? Spuds lost Gareth Bale. Manure lost Ronaldo. Arsenal lost Van Persie and Fabregas etc etc etc. And what is the common denominator in all of these moves? A huge transfer fee. It isn't the end of a club if a few players move on, it is actually just a logical progression Been happening in fottball for many years and isn't likely to end soon. Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

9:54am Mon 24 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.
Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt?
I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.
Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.
Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.
Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them:

Boruc (free)
Shaw (free)
Fonte (£1m)
Lovren (£7m)
Chambers (free)
Lallana (free)
Schneiderlin (£2m)
Davis (£2m)
Cork (£750k)
Rodriguez (£7m)
Lambert (£1m)

then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league....

It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.
There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.
Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.
?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.
Even taking those odds at face value, that implies a 28% chance of his going. Add in a profit margin for a single event at about 30% and that would suggest the bookies think he's about a 20% chance to go. So, not a nailed-on certainty even if they were correct in their assessment.

And, be honest, who has "alleged" that Shaw's moving to City? He's been linked to every team above us by every single newspaper over the past two months. Of course he may go but why would a decision have been made about a club before a bidding match started? It would be barmy for the club and for him. If he does go, there'll be a bunfight amongst potential suitors not a quiet early deal.
Well you're the bore that brings up past posts, after a successful World Cup and if injury free lallana will receive offers hard to turn down. Shaw is city bound, from his mum. If this doesn't happen I'm sure you will take great delight in letting me know!
I won't be the only one to let you know, but I will try to be the first. Before you and others started this negative, repetitive posting, didn't you think that most of us happy clappers were depressed enough and didn't really need or appreciate it? Just because we lost, you and your neggie friends feel it appropriate to post negative post after negative post, telling us what we are very much aware of already, it isn't helpful and apart from being very annoying will not change anything, OK get it off your chest if you must, but don't expect any praise for it, I / we? simply don't need it, nothing personal, you are not alone.

I am hoping that when we get Morgan and Vic back and up to speed, we will shore up the midfield and give the defence a better chance to defend and the forwards need to raise their game too so that we score more than the opposition, the squad we have is not capable of handling too many injuries, so obviously the Club will need to bring in reinforcements, the last thing we want to do is weaken it by selling off players when we don't actually need to. If we do sell I will be the first to complain, but if we replace with like or better I won't complain for long. If I am boring you with my opinion, tough, get over it.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.[/p][/quote]Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt? I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.[/p][/quote]Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.[/p][/quote]Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.[/p][/quote]Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them: Boruc (free) Shaw (free) Fonte (£1m) Lovren (£7m) Chambers (free) Lallana (free) Schneiderlin (£2m) Davis (£2m) Cork (£750k) Rodriguez (£7m) Lambert (£1m) then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league.... It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.[/p][/quote]There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.[/p][/quote]Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.[/p][/quote]?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.[/p][/quote]Even taking those odds at face value, that implies a 28% chance of his going. Add in a profit margin for a single event at about 30% and that would suggest the bookies think he's about a 20% chance to go. So, not a nailed-on certainty even if they were correct in their assessment. And, be honest, who has "alleged" that Shaw's moving to City? He's been linked to every team above us by every single newspaper over the past two months. Of course he may go but why would a decision have been made about a club before a bidding match started? It would be barmy for the club and for him. If he does go, there'll be a bunfight amongst potential suitors not a quiet early deal.[/p][/quote]Well you're the bore that brings up past posts, after a successful World Cup and if injury free lallana will receive offers hard to turn down. Shaw is city bound, from his mum. If this doesn't happen I'm sure you will take great delight in letting me know![/p][/quote]I won't be the only one to let you know, but I will try to be the first. Before you and others started this negative, repetitive posting, didn't you think that most of us happy clappers were depressed enough and didn't really need or appreciate it? Just because we lost, you and your neggie friends feel it appropriate to post negative post after negative post, telling us what we are very much aware of already, it isn't helpful and apart from being very annoying will not change anything, OK get it off your chest if you must, but don't expect any praise for it, I / we? simply don't need it, nothing personal, you are not alone. I am hoping that when we get Morgan and Vic back and up to speed, we will shore up the midfield and give the defence a better chance to defend and the forwards need to raise their game too so that we score more than the opposition, the squad we have is not capable of handling too many injuries, so obviously the Club will need to bring in reinforcements, the last thing we want to do is weaken it by selling off players when we don't actually need to. If we do sell I will be the first to complain, but if we replace with like or better I won't complain for long. If I am boring you with my opinion, tough, get over it. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

10:04am Mon 24 Mar 14

ghk230473 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.
Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt?
I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.
Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.
Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.
Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them:

Boruc (free)
Shaw (free)
Fonte (£1m)
Lovren (£7m)
Chambers (free)
Lallana (free)
Schneiderlin (£2m)
Davis (£2m)
Cork (£750k)
Rodriguez (£7m)
Lambert (£1m)

then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league....

It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.
There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.
Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.
?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.
Even taking those odds at face value, that implies a 28% chance of his going. Add in a profit margin for a single event at about 30% and that would suggest the bookies think he's about a 20% chance to go. So, not a nailed-on certainty even if they were correct in their assessment.

And, be honest, who has "alleged" that Shaw's moving to City? He's been linked to every team above us by every single newspaper over the past two months. Of course he may go but why would a decision have been made about a club before a bidding match started? It would be barmy for the club and for him. If he does go, there'll be a bunfight amongst potential suitors not a quiet early deal.
Well you're the bore that brings up past posts, after a successful World Cup and if injury free lallana will receive offers hard to turn down. Shaw is city bound, from his mum. If this doesn't happen I'm sure you will take great delight in letting me know!
I won't be the only one to let you know, but I will try to be the first. Before you and others started this negative, repetitive posting, didn't you think that most of us happy clappers were depressed enough and didn't really need or appreciate it? Just because we lost, you and your neggie friends feel it appropriate to post negative post after negative post, telling us what we are very much aware of already, it isn't helpful and apart from being very annoying will not change anything, OK get it off your chest if you must, but don't expect any praise for it, I / we? simply don't need it, nothing personal, you are not alone.

I am hoping that when we get Morgan and Vic back and up to speed, we will shore up the midfield and give the defence a better chance to defend and the forwards need to raise their game too so that we score more than the opposition, the squad we have is not capable of handling too many injuries, so obviously the Club will need to bring in reinforcements, the last thing we want to do is weaken it by selling off players when we don't actually need to. If we do sell I will be the first to complain, but if we replace with like or better I won't complain for long. If I am boring you with my opinion, tough, get over it.
Lmao! This is a forum and it's about opinions. Like ar53 holes every 1's got 1.
I'm just sharing my thoughts. But yes you are boring ;-)
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.[/p][/quote]Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt? I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.[/p][/quote]Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.[/p][/quote]Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.[/p][/quote]Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them: Boruc (free) Shaw (free) Fonte (£1m) Lovren (£7m) Chambers (free) Lallana (free) Schneiderlin (£2m) Davis (£2m) Cork (£750k) Rodriguez (£7m) Lambert (£1m) then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league.... It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.[/p][/quote]There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.[/p][/quote]Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.[/p][/quote]?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.[/p][/quote]Even taking those odds at face value, that implies a 28% chance of his going. Add in a profit margin for a single event at about 30% and that would suggest the bookies think he's about a 20% chance to go. So, not a nailed-on certainty even if they were correct in their assessment. And, be honest, who has "alleged" that Shaw's moving to City? He's been linked to every team above us by every single newspaper over the past two months. Of course he may go but why would a decision have been made about a club before a bidding match started? It would be barmy for the club and for him. If he does go, there'll be a bunfight amongst potential suitors not a quiet early deal.[/p][/quote]Well you're the bore that brings up past posts, after a successful World Cup and if injury free lallana will receive offers hard to turn down. Shaw is city bound, from his mum. If this doesn't happen I'm sure you will take great delight in letting me know![/p][/quote]I won't be the only one to let you know, but I will try to be the first. Before you and others started this negative, repetitive posting, didn't you think that most of us happy clappers were depressed enough and didn't really need or appreciate it? Just because we lost, you and your neggie friends feel it appropriate to post negative post after negative post, telling us what we are very much aware of already, it isn't helpful and apart from being very annoying will not change anything, OK get it off your chest if you must, but don't expect any praise for it, I / we? simply don't need it, nothing personal, you are not alone. I am hoping that when we get Morgan and Vic back and up to speed, we will shore up the midfield and give the defence a better chance to defend and the forwards need to raise their game too so that we score more than the opposition, the squad we have is not capable of handling too many injuries, so obviously the Club will need to bring in reinforcements, the last thing we want to do is weaken it by selling off players when we don't actually need to. If we do sell I will be the first to complain, but if we replace with like or better I won't complain for long. If I am boring you with my opinion, tough, get over it.[/p][/quote]Lmao! This is a forum and it's about opinions. Like ar53 holes every 1's got 1. I'm just sharing my thoughts. But yes you are boring ;-) ghk230473
  • Score: -5

10:08am Mon 24 Mar 14

Clever Dick says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Precisely. The bookies favourites to 'rip up' League two - or the fourth division as I like to call it - are now facing the abyss.
I think the person at the bookies was fired for this. The paperwork from head office actually made them favourites for relegation but somebody mis-read it.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Precisely. The bookies favourites to 'rip up' League two - or the fourth division as I like to call it - are now facing the abyss.[/p][/quote]I think the person at the bookies was fired for this. The paperwork from head office actually made them favourites for relegation but somebody mis-read it. Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

12:03pm Mon 24 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

ghk230473 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.
Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt?
I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.
Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.
Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.
Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them:

Boruc (free)
Shaw (free)
Fonte (£1m)
Lovren (£7m)
Chambers (free)
Lallana (free)
Schneiderlin (£2m)
Davis (£2m)
Cork (£750k)
Rodriguez (£7m)
Lambert (£1m)

then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league....

It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.
There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.
Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.
?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.
Even taking those odds at face value, that implies a 28% chance of his going. Add in a profit margin for a single event at about 30% and that would suggest the bookies think he's about a 20% chance to go. So, not a nailed-on certainty even if they were correct in their assessment.

And, be honest, who has "alleged" that Shaw's moving to City? He's been linked to every team above us by every single newspaper over the past two months. Of course he may go but why would a decision have been made about a club before a bidding match started? It would be barmy for the club and for him. If he does go, there'll be a bunfight amongst potential suitors not a quiet early deal.
Well you're the bore that brings up past posts, after a successful World Cup and if injury free lallana will receive offers hard to turn down. Shaw is city bound, from his mum. If this doesn't happen I'm sure you will take great delight in letting me know!
I won't be the only one to let you know, but I will try to be the first. Before you and others started this negative, repetitive posting, didn't you think that most of us happy clappers were depressed enough and didn't really need or appreciate it? Just because we lost, you and your neggie friends feel it appropriate to post negative post after negative post, telling us what we are very much aware of already, it isn't helpful and apart from being very annoying will not change anything, OK get it off your chest if you must, but don't expect any praise for it, I / we? simply don't need it, nothing personal, you are not alone.

I am hoping that when we get Morgan and Vic back and up to speed, we will shore up the midfield and give the defence a better chance to defend and the forwards need to raise their game too so that we score more than the opposition, the squad we have is not capable of handling too many injuries, so obviously the Club will need to bring in reinforcements, the last thing we want to do is weaken it by selling off players when we don't actually need to. If we do sell I will be the first to complain, but if we replace with like or better I won't complain for long. If I am boring you with my opinion, tough, get over it.
Lmao! This is a forum and it's about opinions. Like ar53 holes every 1's got 1.
I'm just sharing my thoughts. But yes you are boring ;-)
I know this. ;o]
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.[/p][/quote]Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt? I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.[/p][/quote]Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.[/p][/quote]Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.[/p][/quote]Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them: Boruc (free) Shaw (free) Fonte (£1m) Lovren (£7m) Chambers (free) Lallana (free) Schneiderlin (£2m) Davis (£2m) Cork (£750k) Rodriguez (£7m) Lambert (£1m) then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league.... It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.[/p][/quote]There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.[/p][/quote]Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.[/p][/quote]?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.[/p][/quote]Even taking those odds at face value, that implies a 28% chance of his going. Add in a profit margin for a single event at about 30% and that would suggest the bookies think he's about a 20% chance to go. So, not a nailed-on certainty even if they were correct in their assessment. And, be honest, who has "alleged" that Shaw's moving to City? He's been linked to every team above us by every single newspaper over the past two months. Of course he may go but why would a decision have been made about a club before a bidding match started? It would be barmy for the club and for him. If he does go, there'll be a bunfight amongst potential suitors not a quiet early deal.[/p][/quote]Well you're the bore that brings up past posts, after a successful World Cup and if injury free lallana will receive offers hard to turn down. Shaw is city bound, from his mum. If this doesn't happen I'm sure you will take great delight in letting me know![/p][/quote]I won't be the only one to let you know, but I will try to be the first. Before you and others started this negative, repetitive posting, didn't you think that most of us happy clappers were depressed enough and didn't really need or appreciate it? Just because we lost, you and your neggie friends feel it appropriate to post negative post after negative post, telling us what we are very much aware of already, it isn't helpful and apart from being very annoying will not change anything, OK get it off your chest if you must, but don't expect any praise for it, I / we? simply don't need it, nothing personal, you are not alone. I am hoping that when we get Morgan and Vic back and up to speed, we will shore up the midfield and give the defence a better chance to defend and the forwards need to raise their game too so that we score more than the opposition, the squad we have is not capable of handling too many injuries, so obviously the Club will need to bring in reinforcements, the last thing we want to do is weaken it by selling off players when we don't actually need to. If we do sell I will be the first to complain, but if we replace with like or better I won't complain for long. If I am boring you with my opinion, tough, get over it.[/p][/quote]Lmao! This is a forum and it's about opinions. Like ar53 holes every 1's got 1. I'm just sharing my thoughts. But yes you are boring ;-)[/p][/quote]I know this. ;o] OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

12:07pm Mon 24 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Clever Dick wrote:
What's the big problem with players moving? Spuds lost Gareth Bale. Manure lost Ronaldo. Arsenal lost Van Persie and Fabregas etc etc etc. And what is the common denominator in all of these moves? A huge transfer fee. It isn't the end of a club if a few players move on, it is actually just a logical progression Been happening in fottball for many years and isn't likely to end soon.
I just hope we break the mould, to go forward ourselves we have to be buying not selling, but if someone wants to pay silly money it is difficult to refuse. The Players may also consider whether they will get first team games with us or sharing a bench with other super stars?
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: What's the big problem with players moving? Spuds lost Gareth Bale. Manure lost Ronaldo. Arsenal lost Van Persie and Fabregas etc etc etc. And what is the common denominator in all of these moves? A huge transfer fee. It isn't the end of a club if a few players move on, it is actually just a logical progression Been happening in fottball for many years and isn't likely to end soon.[/p][/quote]I just hope we break the mould, to go forward ourselves we have to be buying not selling, but if someone wants to pay silly money it is difficult to refuse. The Players may also consider whether they will get first team games with us or sharing a bench with other super stars? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

12:51pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Saintjock says...

drkensta wrote:
Shaw is an excellent England prospect, but not the finished article yet. He likes to act as an attacking winger, but does not get back quick enough to his defensive position. His priority should be as a defensive player, but he gets stranded in midfield when he should be on the left of the back four. Consequently Lovren has to come across to cover his absence, which leaves the middle of the defence exposed. Both of Spurs first two goals came from crosses played in from the left at which times Shaw was out of position. Andrew Cole is far better than Shaw in covering his allotted defensive position and so I would think the man to go to Brazil.
Don't you mean Cheryl Cole?
[quote][p][bold]drkensta[/bold] wrote: Shaw is an excellent England prospect, but not the finished article yet. He likes to act as an attacking winger, but does not get back quick enough to his defensive position. His priority should be as a defensive player, but he gets stranded in midfield when he should be on the left of the back four. Consequently Lovren has to come across to cover his absence, which leaves the middle of the defence exposed. Both of Spurs first two goals came from crosses played in from the left at which times Shaw was out of position. Andrew Cole is far better than Shaw in covering his allotted defensive position and so I would think the man to go to Brazil.[/p][/quote]Don't you mean Cheryl Cole? Saintjock
  • Score: 1

1:28pm Mon 24 Mar 14

lowe esteem says...

StHuey wrote:
FindAndDestroy wrote:
Confucious wrote:
We are staying up! We are staying up!
I think it is time to move on a little bit beyond the sole idea of staying up....
Look up satire, why don't you?
I find it's more difficult to see from there.
[quote][p][bold]StHuey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: We are staying up! We are staying up![/p][/quote]I think it is time to move on a little bit beyond the sole idea of staying up....[/p][/quote]Look up satire, why don't you?[/p][/quote]I find it's more difficult to see from there. lowe esteem
  • Score: 1

1:52pm Mon 24 Mar 14

lowe esteem says...

Is it the intention to persevere with this 'play out from the back mentality' until we get it right or are we going to vary things? Whilst I know this will keep us in the top half for several seasons yet, (there's still a paucity of footballing sides in the Prem) I'm not getting any younger, and my blood pressure won't cope. As long as the learning curve includes the odd fast track from Artur to Jrod or SRL sometimes, which DOES result in a goal, I do believe we're getting there, and I think we CAN eliminate the deep fannying around which is costing us.
We're not far away, we can see where we're headed, a few correct key signings to bolster our resources, a resolve to keep the happy nucleus that we have in place, and of course, a ready eye and a little oil on that fantastic Marchwood conveyor belt of talent.
Several of the London-centric tabloids this morning are bemoaning the fact that the Spuds have failed to replace "their star player" appropriately! (The cheek-they've even nicked our song too!) No wonder they're in trouble, and "don't know what they're doing"- I know who and where I'd rather be this morning. Up the Saints!
Is it the intention to persevere with this 'play out from the back mentality' until we get it right or are we going to vary things? Whilst I know this will keep us in the top half for several seasons yet, (there's still a paucity of footballing sides in the Prem) I'm not getting any younger, and my blood pressure won't cope. As long as the learning curve includes the odd fast track from Artur to Jrod or SRL sometimes, which DOES result in a goal, I do believe we're getting there, and I think we CAN eliminate the deep fannying around which is costing us. We're not far away, we can see where we're headed, a few correct key signings to bolster our resources, a resolve to keep the happy nucleus that we have in place, and of course, a ready eye and a little oil on that fantastic Marchwood conveyor belt of talent. Several of the London-centric tabloids this morning are bemoaning the fact that the Spuds have failed to replace "their star player" appropriately! (The cheek-they've even nicked our song too!) No wonder they're in trouble, and "don't know what they're doing"- I know who and where I'd rather be this morning. Up the Saints! lowe esteem
  • Score: 4

3:15pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Velleity says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.
I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.
Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt?
I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.
Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.
Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.
Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them:

Boruc (free)
Shaw (free)
Fonte (£1m)
Lovren (£7m)
Chambers (free)
Lallana (free)
Schneiderlin (£2m)
Davis (£2m)
Cork (£750k)
Rodriguez (£7m)
Lambert (£1m)

then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league....

It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.
There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.
Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.
?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.
Even taking those odds at face value, that implies a 28% chance of his going. Add in a profit margin for a single event at about 30% and that would suggest the bookies think he's about a 20% chance to go. So, not a nailed-on certainty even if they were correct in their assessment.

And, be honest, who has "alleged" that Shaw's moving to City? He's been linked to every team above us by every single newspaper over the past two months. Of course he may go but why would a decision have been made about a club before a bidding match started? It would be barmy for the club and for him. If he does go, there'll be a bunfight amongst potential suitors not a quiet early deal.
Well you're the bore that brings up past posts, after a successful World Cup and if injury free lallana will receive offers hard to turn down. Shaw is city bound, from his mum. If this doesn't happen I'm sure you will take great delight in letting me know!
Wow, well done working on the points I raised. I understand that you hate me on sight but that doesn't preclude a sensible response, does it?
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Definate game of two halves and saints have now had too many of those, been mentioned we have thrown away no less than 18 points from winning positions! Facts are, 2nd half we sat too deep and invited them in, we couldn't string 2 passes together, players stopped working for each other and we didn't have enough options for the man on the ball. Spuds kept a high line and closed us down very quickly. Most of all I think it was down to work rate, and we should have been fresher than them who played Thursday. Corky and shaw being the only ones who gave a good account of themselves thru out, begs the question why cork had sat out so many games/minutes this season.[/p][/quote]I almost totally agree. Our work rate has been the key for us this season....it let us down from the minute we got the second goal. It almost let us down last week against Norwich too. We are without doubt a class outfit (most pundits and opposing fans agree), but keeping 100% commitment and effort is proving an issue. Understandable given our position in the League...but not necessarily forgivable. MP needs to keep the urgency ethic going for the full 90 mins.[/p][/quote]Could it be we haven't got the players for a plan b'? We set out our stool from the off, take a lead, the opposition are forced to change as they have nothing to lose and we can't adapt? I think as a club we need to agree where we want to go. Do we remain a mid table out fit and play it safe? Or do we speculate to accumulate and throw money at it, both have their risks. Also what about Ramirez? Big money signing but not given the minutes or not interested, been rumoured that he is not popular with team mates, I think he is a potential match winner.[/p][/quote]Every time Gaston comes on I get excited. Every time he lets me down.[/p][/quote]Our 2 biggest signings have flopped.[/p][/quote]Yes they have. We can take negatives out of that or we can take positives as to how well the academy players and League One players have done. If you put the values against them: Boruc (free) Shaw (free) Fonte (£1m) Lovren (£7m) Chambers (free) Lallana (free) Schneiderlin (£2m) Davis (£2m) Cork (£750k) Rodriguez (£7m) Lambert (£1m) then you might wonder how the hell we've stayed in this league.... It's truly amazing and assembled on pennies. Now I'd like to hear how Krueger intends to build on this with some genuine investment.[/p][/quote]There possibly will be a big change in squad next season, with strong interest in shaw and lallana who both could be on there way to Manchester, City and United.[/p][/quote]Oh ffs. We did all this with the players - and then they decided that Southampton was the way forward and penned five year deals. When players don't want to stay they don't sign long termers as they get higher wages if they move due to lower transfer fees.[/p][/quote]?. Bookies have lallana 5/2 to move. Alledged that shaw has agreed to move to city in summer. Clubs will offer big money for those 2 and saints would probably accept, there then follows the players massive salary increases.[/p][/quote]Even taking those odds at face value, that implies a 28% chance of his going. Add in a profit margin for a single event at about 30% and that would suggest the bookies think he's about a 20% chance to go. So, not a nailed-on certainty even if they were correct in their assessment. And, be honest, who has "alleged" that Shaw's moving to City? He's been linked to every team above us by every single newspaper over the past two months. Of course he may go but why would a decision have been made about a club before a bidding match started? It would be barmy for the club and for him. If he does go, there'll be a bunfight amongst potential suitors not a quiet early deal.[/p][/quote]Well you're the bore that brings up past posts, after a successful World Cup and if injury free lallana will receive offers hard to turn down. Shaw is city bound, from his mum. If this doesn't happen I'm sure you will take great delight in letting me know![/p][/quote]Wow, well done working on the points I raised. I understand that you hate me on sight but that doesn't preclude a sensible response, does it? Velleity
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5:44pm Mon 24 Mar 14

CB FRY LIVES says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
And please will you see the skates who post on here! They're not difficult to spot - never posted before and full of inane criticism.

Bill and I are going to Northampton v Skates on 21st April and we fully expect them to go out of the league. We however are going to end up 9th at worst (8th hopefully as I have money on that). Let's get out priorities right.
Yes get your priorities right.What are you doing going to watch the despicable Poirpoisemouth.
Obviously you will be supporting Northampton.The Cobblers..You should find it a rewarding experience.After all you are renowned for talking a lot of it.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: And please will you see the skates who post on here! They're not difficult to spot - never posted before and full of inane criticism. Bill and I are going to Northampton v Skates on 21st April and we fully expect them to go out of the league. We however are going to end up 9th at worst (8th hopefully as I have money on that). Let's get out priorities right.[/p][/quote]Yes get your priorities right.What are you doing going to watch the despicable Poirpoisemouth. Obviously you will be supporting Northampton.The Cobblers..You should find it a rewarding experience.After all you are renowned for talking a lot of it. CB FRY LIVES
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7:23pm Mon 24 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
And please will you see the skates who post on here! They're not difficult to spot - never posted before and full of inane criticism.

Bill and I are going to Northampton v Skates on 21st April and we fully expect them to go out of the league. We however are going to end up 9th at worst (8th hopefully as I have money on that). Let's get out priorities right.
Yes get your priorities right.What are you doing going to watch the despicable Poirpoisemouth.
Obviously you will be supporting Northampton.The Cobblers..You should find it a rewarding experience.After all you are renowned for talking a lot of it.
... and you don't? I am expert on the subject and will reserve judgement for now.
[quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: And please will you see the skates who post on here! They're not difficult to spot - never posted before and full of inane criticism. Bill and I are going to Northampton v Skates on 21st April and we fully expect them to go out of the league. We however are going to end up 9th at worst (8th hopefully as I have money on that). Let's get out priorities right.[/p][/quote]Yes get your priorities right.What are you doing going to watch the despicable Poirpoisemouth. Obviously you will be supporting Northampton.The Cobblers..You should find it a rewarding experience.After all you are renowned for talking a lot of it.[/p][/quote]... and you don't? I am expert on the subject and will reserve judgement for now. OSPREYSAINT
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7:53pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Clever Dick says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
And please will you see the skates who post on here! They're not difficult to spot - never posted before and full of inane criticism.

Bill and I are going to Northampton v Skates on 21st April and we fully expect them to go out of the league. We however are going to end up 9th at worst (8th hopefully as I have money on that). Let's get out priorities right.
Yes get your priorities right.What are you doing going to watch the despicable Poirpoisemouth.
Obviously you will be supporting Northampton.The Cobblers..You should find it a rewarding experience.After all you are renowned for talking a lot of it.
... and you don't? I am expert on the subject and will reserve judgement for now.
I think a day in Northampton watching Poopey drop into the bottom two would be a great laugh . After all they deserve no better. It's their rightful place. There will be plenty down south cheering when it happens to the embarssment of the south. Give 'em a bit of next years chants. "Conference league, you're having a laugh" and "Down down deeper and down." It's not all bad for them though. After all they do own their own club!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: And please will you see the skates who post on here! They're not difficult to spot - never posted before and full of inane criticism. Bill and I are going to Northampton v Skates on 21st April and we fully expect them to go out of the league. We however are going to end up 9th at worst (8th hopefully as I have money on that). Let's get out priorities right.[/p][/quote]Yes get your priorities right.What are you doing going to watch the despicable Poirpoisemouth. Obviously you will be supporting Northampton.The Cobblers..You should find it a rewarding experience.After all you are renowned for talking a lot of it.[/p][/quote]... and you don't? I am expert on the subject and will reserve judgement for now.[/p][/quote]I think a day in Northampton watching Poopey drop into the bottom two would be a great laugh . After all they deserve no better. It's their rightful place. There will be plenty down south cheering when it happens to the embarssment of the south. Give 'em a bit of next years chants. "Conference league, you're having a laugh" and "Down down deeper and down." It's not all bad for them though. After all they do own their own club! Clever Dick
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9:52am Thu 27 Mar 14

miltonnroad76 says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Oh yeah, I know Lallana scored today - on a nice set-up by Lambert, mind you - but where were the glitter twins at the end of the match? Playing their usual no-contact, no-grit game, losing every challenge, and effectively leaving Saints playing with 9 men. More men and fewer Lallanas and Ramirezs, please.
Funny the unbiased commentory i listened to said lallana is gifted and has the world at his feet but i guess the england manager and media are wrong and youre right however watching the 4th division relegation battle you have probably have different views on what makes a great player..
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Oh yeah, I know Lallana scored today - on a nice set-up by Lambert, mind you - but where were the glitter twins at the end of the match? Playing their usual no-contact, no-grit game, losing every challenge, and effectively leaving Saints playing with 9 men. More men and fewer Lallanas and Ramirezs, please.[/p][/quote]Funny the unbiased commentory i listened to said lallana is gifted and has the world at his feet but i guess the england manager and media are wrong and youre right however watching the 4th division relegation battle you have probably have different views on what makes a great player.. miltonnroad76
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