Pochettino: Spurs' first goal "should never of been allowed to stand"

Pochettino: Spurs' first goal

Pochettino: Spurs' first goal "should never of been allowed to stand"

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Mauricio Pochettino felt that referee Anthony Taylor missed a “clear foul” on Dejan Lovren in the build-up to Tottenham’s first goal.

Daily Echo:

The Saints boss claimed his centre-half was pulled back by Nacer Chadli before Kyle Naughton crossed for Christian Eriksen to score.

It was a major turning point in the match, coming just two minutes after the visitors had taken a 2-0 lead.

It proved to be the first stepping stone on Spurs’ road to a dramatic comeback, which culminated with them winning the game 3-2 in added time.

Pochettino said: “Their first goal came from a clear foul to Dejan Lovren, so their goal should never have been allowed to stand.

“I’ve been told that it was a foul and, from my point of view on the pitch, I think it was a clear foul.

“Then the 2-2, with the goal by (Christian) Eriksen, came very early in the second half. I thought that completely changed the dynamic of the game.

“When you receive a heavy blow such as that one I think that changes completely the dynamic of the game, and that’s what happened.”

Saints had certainly started the game in superb fashion and looked to be heading towards a comfortable victory.

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However, once Tottenham got back into the match, they soon began to dominate, and put Pochettino’s side under a lot of pressure during the second half.

Overall, though, the Saints boss felt it was cruel on his side to have come away with nothing from the match.

“I thought we had a very good game overall,” he said. “We were up 2-0, we were controlling it, especially in the first half.

“I thought we deserved more, but there were some refereeing decisions that did not go our way today.

“Despite that, I thought we did very well against a very good Tottenham side.”

Although Pochettino was frustrated with the officiating, he did concede that Saints were not without blame, with Nathaniel Clyne and then Lovren making errors that led to each of Tottenham’s first two goals.

“It’s clear that we made some mistakes that are actually quite difficult to accept that we made them.

“It’s clear that we need to improve, especially individually, and that’s part of football.
“We always need to, and want to, improve.”

Pochettino, whose side have conceded 11 goals in their last five games, added: “All managers are worried and concerned when you lose. Of course we’re disappointed and of course we’re worried about that and concerned about it.”

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6:04pm Sun 23 Mar 14

EricMartin'sHat says...

"have been" not "of been"…. are you seriously a journalist?
"have been" not "of been"…. are you seriously a journalist? EricMartin'sHat
  • Score: 15

6:05pm Sun 23 Mar 14

EricMartin'sHat says...

"have been" not "of been" …. are you seriously a journalist. That is truly appalling grammar
"have been" not "of been" …. are you seriously a journalist. That is truly appalling grammar EricMartin'sHat
  • Score: 4

6:43pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Rocket 1 says...

EricMartin'sHat wrote:
"have been" not "of been" …. are you seriously a journalist. That is truly appalling grammar
Knob He*d
[quote][p][bold]EricMartin'sHat[/bold] wrote: "have been" not "of been" …. are you seriously a journalist. That is truly appalling grammar[/p][/quote]Knob He*d Rocket 1
  • Score: -20

7:31pm Sun 23 Mar 14

jrod11 says...

No point in making excuses... 2-0 up and the 3 points were there for the taking but Spurs were more up for it in the second half as it proved.
No point in making excuses... 2-0 up and the 3 points were there for the taking but Spurs were more up for it in the second half as it proved. jrod11
  • Score: 12

7:37pm Sun 23 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT says...
Lovren was pulled down there, the Ref needs a visit to Specsavers.

That's what I said in the live thread and having seen replays I stand by what I said then. When you say excuses, there is a difference between those and reasons, it's knowing the difference that matters. One bad call changed the game.
OSPREYSAINT says... Lovren was pulled down there, the Ref needs a visit to Specsavers. That's what I said in the live thread and having seen replays I stand by what I said then. When you say excuses, there is a difference between those and reasons, it's knowing the difference that matters. One bad call changed the game. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

8:00pm Sun 23 Mar 14

jrod11 says...

Making excuses will never change the result and most games have controversial decisions as seen week in week out, that is football.
Making excuses will never change the result and most games have controversial decisions as seen week in week out, that is football. jrod11
  • Score: 8

8:04pm Sun 23 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

I repeat that there is a difference between an excuse and a reason. When they look at the reasons they can take steps to change things, excuses are just futile and butter no parsnips.
I repeat that there is a difference between an excuse and a reason. When they look at the reasons they can take steps to change things, excuses are just futile and butter no parsnips. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

8:12pm Sun 23 Mar 14

iswhite10 says...

Er, we did NOT deserved to come away with something, we GAVE Spurs two goals, and Mauricio, Dejan was NOT fouled! And as for Clyne, words fail me!
I'm so depressed about all this tonight.
If Shaw and others decide to leave, and indeed Pochetino himself, I wouldn't be surprised now.
We CANNOT keep a lead. Jeeez!!!
IF everyone stays this summer , and IF Katharina makes cash available to buy another central defender and top striker, we can go forward, but oh my goodness are we a frustrating side to follow at the moment.
So near and yet so far.
Fingers crossed we're all together (as one?) again in August.....
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
Someone cheer me up please and tell me I'm wrong
Er, we did NOT deserved to come away with something, we GAVE Spurs two goals, and Mauricio, Dejan was NOT fouled! And as for Clyne, words fail me! I'm so depressed about all this tonight. If Shaw and others decide to leave, and indeed Pochetino himself, I wouldn't be surprised now. We CANNOT keep a lead. Jeeez!!! IF everyone stays this summer , and IF Katharina makes cash available to buy another central defender and top striker, we can go forward, but oh my goodness are we a frustrating side to follow at the moment. So near and yet so far. Fingers crossed we're all together (as one?) again in August..... Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Someone cheer me up please and tell me I'm wrong iswhite10
  • Score: 3

8:13pm Sun 23 Mar 14

red/whitearmy says...

It was not a foul. Lovren not strong enough for it. Second half we were poor all over the pitch and never got going .
It was not a foul. Lovren not strong enough for it. Second half we were poor all over the pitch and never got going . red/whitearmy
  • Score: 10

8:38pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Epsom Saint says...

I had a good view of the foul and it was the sort of thing that happens every week, sometimes given, sometimesides. I have no complaints because Dejan should have done better.

We looked good for the first 30 mins then we lost our way a bit and started hitting aimless long balls. Both sided were poor defensively, but Clyne especially so. I also thought Ricky had a bad game, he didn't challenge for anyof the high balls that came his way.

Despite all this, it was a close game and we probably deserved a point.
I had a good view of the foul and it was the sort of thing that happens every week, sometimes given, sometimesides. I have no complaints because Dejan should have done better. We looked good for the first 30 mins then we lost our way a bit and started hitting aimless long balls. Both sided were poor defensively, but Clyne especially so. I also thought Ricky had a bad game, he didn't challenge for anyof the high balls that came his way. Despite all this, it was a close game and we probably deserved a point. Epsom Saint
  • Score: 3

8:49pm Sun 23 Mar 14

saints-alive says...

iswhite10 wrote:
Er, we did NOT deserved to come away with something, we GAVE Spurs two goals, and Mauricio, Dejan was NOT fouled! And as for Clyne, words fail me!
I'm so depressed about all this tonight.
If Shaw and others decide to leave, and indeed Pochetino himself, I wouldn't be surprised now.
We CANNOT keep a lead. Jeeez!!!
IF everyone stays this summer , and IF Katharina makes cash available to buy another central defender and top striker, we can go forward, but oh my goodness are we a frustrating side to follow at the moment.
So near and yet so far.
Fingers crossed we're all together (as one?) again in August.....
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
Someone cheer me up please and tell me I'm wrong
You're wrong.

Now get a grip man! Get some perspective, whatever happened today doesn't take away from the fact that we've had a great season. It could get even better come World Cup time but let's wait and see. Either way, stop flapping like an old woman.
[quote][p][bold]iswhite10[/bold] wrote: Er, we did NOT deserved to come away with something, we GAVE Spurs two goals, and Mauricio, Dejan was NOT fouled! And as for Clyne, words fail me! I'm so depressed about all this tonight. If Shaw and others decide to leave, and indeed Pochetino himself, I wouldn't be surprised now. We CANNOT keep a lead. Jeeez!!! IF everyone stays this summer , and IF Katharina makes cash available to buy another central defender and top striker, we can go forward, but oh my goodness are we a frustrating side to follow at the moment. So near and yet so far. Fingers crossed we're all together (as one?) again in August..... Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Someone cheer me up please and tell me I'm wrong[/p][/quote]You're wrong. Now get a grip man! Get some perspective, whatever happened today doesn't take away from the fact that we've had a great season. It could get even better come World Cup time but let's wait and see. Either way, stop flapping like an old woman. saints-alive
  • Score: 6

9:11pm Sun 23 Mar 14

bakeyboy says...

sorry but Pochetino you need to get a different song sheet cause this ones worn out, its about time you came out and started saying what we fans want to hear after these defeats, no wonder we keep making the same mistakes, we have a manager who thinks everything is fine, well it isn't and its about time you started telling it as it is. We cant defend and this team is so inconsistent that you can't call any game because we just don't have a clue what team is going to turn up, its ridiculous.
sorry but Pochetino you need to get a different song sheet cause this ones worn out, its about time you came out and started saying what we fans want to hear after these defeats, no wonder we keep making the same mistakes, we have a manager who thinks everything is fine, well it isn't and its about time you started telling it as it is. We cant defend and this team is so inconsistent that you can't call any game because we just don't have a clue what team is going to turn up, its ridiculous. bakeyboy
  • Score: -9

9:12pm Sun 23 Mar 14

el caballo santos101 says...

MP is right many of us said at the time that Dejan was fouled. his arm is clearly pulled and as he was off balance at the time it didn't take much for him to go down. the ref bottled it as he did for their second goal, again Dejan was clearly pushed in the back, you can see soldado`s arms extending, the pundits and commentators on sky said that if he had gone down at the time a foul would have been given, it shouldn't affect the decision though should it? I`m a big fan of American football and an push like that would always result in a `foul`, they have taken the decision that if a player is pushed (with arms extending) that it always affects the player.
I`m not making excuses but shreks `wonder` goal yesterday had pundits saying he had fouled the defender by nudging him, if they are saying that should have been a foul then why not the 2 on Dejan?
the ref also gave a foul against S. Davis who clearly got to the ball and cleared it before rose clattered into him. I don't mind refs getting things wrong but it gets annoying when they get obvious decisions like those wrong, and so many in one game. soldado pushed pulled and kicked Dejan and fonte all game yet the one time Dejan knocks him the ref gives a free kick and books him! and even then soldado backs into Dejan.
MP is right many of us said at the time that Dejan was fouled. his arm is clearly pulled and as he was off balance at the time it didn't take much for him to go down. the ref bottled it as he did for their second goal, again Dejan was clearly pushed in the back, you can see soldado`s arms extending, the pundits and commentators on sky said that if he had gone down at the time a foul would have been given, it shouldn't affect the decision though should it? I`m a big fan of American football and an push like that would always result in a `foul`, they have taken the decision that if a player is pushed (with arms extending) that it always affects the player. I`m not making excuses but shreks `wonder` goal yesterday had pundits saying he had fouled the defender by nudging him, if they are saying that should have been a foul then why not the 2 on Dejan? the ref also gave a foul against S. Davis who clearly got to the ball and cleared it before rose clattered into him. I don't mind refs getting things wrong but it gets annoying when they get obvious decisions like those wrong, and so many in one game. soldado pushed pulled and kicked Dejan and fonte all game yet the one time Dejan knocks him the ref gives a free kick and books him! and even then soldado backs into Dejan. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 6

9:19pm Sun 23 Mar 14

iswhite10 says...

saints-alive wrote:
iswhite10 wrote:
Er, we did NOT deserved to come away with something, we GAVE Spurs two goals, and Mauricio, Dejan was NOT fouled! And as for Clyne, words fail me!
I'm so depressed about all this tonight.
If Shaw and others decide to leave, and indeed Pochetino himself, I wouldn't be surprised now.
We CANNOT keep a lead. Jeeez!!!
IF everyone stays this summer , and IF Katharina makes cash available to buy another central defender and top striker, we can go forward, but oh my goodness are we a frustrating side to follow at the moment.
So near and yet so far.
Fingers crossed we're all together (as one?) again in August.....
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
Someone cheer me up please and tell me I'm wrong
You're wrong.

Now get a grip man! Get some perspective, whatever happened today doesn't take away from the fact that we've had a great season. It could get even better come World Cup time but let's wait and see. Either way, stop flapping like an old woman.
Love it! Thank you!
I was in need of counselling and support!
[quote][p][bold]saints-alive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iswhite10[/bold] wrote: Er, we did NOT deserved to come away with something, we GAVE Spurs two goals, and Mauricio, Dejan was NOT fouled! And as for Clyne, words fail me! I'm so depressed about all this tonight. If Shaw and others decide to leave, and indeed Pochetino himself, I wouldn't be surprised now. We CANNOT keep a lead. Jeeez!!! IF everyone stays this summer , and IF Katharina makes cash available to buy another central defender and top striker, we can go forward, but oh my goodness are we a frustrating side to follow at the moment. So near and yet so far. Fingers crossed we're all together (as one?) again in August..... Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Someone cheer me up please and tell me I'm wrong[/p][/quote]You're wrong. Now get a grip man! Get some perspective, whatever happened today doesn't take away from the fact that we've had a great season. It could get even better come World Cup time but let's wait and see. Either way, stop flapping like an old woman.[/p][/quote]Love it! Thank you! I was in need of counselling and support! iswhite10
  • Score: 3

9:29pm Sun 23 Mar 14

montyplum says...

My view is.. 1st half we were far to good for spurs we should have wrapped it up by then... To give away a sloppy goal 47 seconds into the 2nd half was disastrious for us.. Never got going after that... I'm hoping mopo will have already indentified reinforcements for the summer and also have a clear out as well With the wana bees and has beans...high on his list....we need some pace.. In the middle and on the flanks.. Central defender.. And maybe a striker that will offer something different,,,,Gallagh
er still learning his trade,,,,
My view is.. 1st half we were far to good for spurs we should have wrapped it up by then... To give away a sloppy goal 47 seconds into the 2nd half was disastrious for us.. Never got going after that... I'm hoping mopo will have already indentified reinforcements for the summer and also have a clear out as well With the wana bees and has beans...high on his list....we need some pace.. In the middle and on the flanks.. Central defender.. And maybe a striker that will offer something different,,,,Gallagh er still learning his trade,,,, montyplum
  • Score: 1

9:36pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Clever Dick says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
MP is right many of us said at the time that Dejan was fouled. his arm is clearly pulled and as he was off balance at the time it didn't take much for him to go down. the ref bottled it as he did for their second goal, again Dejan was clearly pushed in the back, you can see soldado`s arms extending, the pundits and commentators on sky said that if he had gone down at the time a foul would have been given, it shouldn't affect the decision though should it? I`m a big fan of American football and an push like that would always result in a `foul`, they have taken the decision that if a player is pushed (with arms extending) that it always affects the player.
I`m not making excuses but shreks `wonder` goal yesterday had pundits saying he had fouled the defender by nudging him, if they are saying that should have been a foul then why not the 2 on Dejan?
the ref also gave a foul against S. Davis who clearly got to the ball and cleared it before rose clattered into him. I don't mind refs getting things wrong but it gets annoying when they get obvious decisions like those wrong, and so many in one game. soldado pushed pulled and kicked Dejan and fonte all game yet the one time Dejan knocks him the ref gives a free kick and books him! and even then soldado backs into Dejan.
Agree with all of that. A crafty nudge in the back can be just as effective as a nasty tackle. I'm not 100% sure about the first one but the second was definite. How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player? Nevertheless it was Nat Clyne who made the mistake to gift them their first and as often happens that changed the entire momentum of the game. Pity because we were so superior to them up to that point. We must learn to stamp our superiority on sides at times but it would actually be quite difficult to maintain that level for an entire game.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: MP is right many of us said at the time that Dejan was fouled. his arm is clearly pulled and as he was off balance at the time it didn't take much for him to go down. the ref bottled it as he did for their second goal, again Dejan was clearly pushed in the back, you can see soldado`s arms extending, the pundits and commentators on sky said that if he had gone down at the time a foul would have been given, it shouldn't affect the decision though should it? I`m a big fan of American football and an push like that would always result in a `foul`, they have taken the decision that if a player is pushed (with arms extending) that it always affects the player. I`m not making excuses but shreks `wonder` goal yesterday had pundits saying he had fouled the defender by nudging him, if they are saying that should have been a foul then why not the 2 on Dejan? the ref also gave a foul against S. Davis who clearly got to the ball and cleared it before rose clattered into him. I don't mind refs getting things wrong but it gets annoying when they get obvious decisions like those wrong, and so many in one game. soldado pushed pulled and kicked Dejan and fonte all game yet the one time Dejan knocks him the ref gives a free kick and books him! and even then soldado backs into Dejan.[/p][/quote]Agree with all of that. A crafty nudge in the back can be just as effective as a nasty tackle. I'm not 100% sure about the first one but the second was definite. How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player? Nevertheless it was Nat Clyne who made the mistake to gift them their first and as often happens that changed the entire momentum of the game. Pity because we were so superior to them up to that point. We must learn to stamp our superiority on sides at times but it would actually be quite difficult to maintain that level for an entire game. Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

9:58pm Sun 23 Mar 14

saints-alive says...

iswhite10 wrote:
saints-alive wrote:
iswhite10 wrote:
Er, we did NOT deserved to come away with something, we GAVE Spurs two goals, and Mauricio, Dejan was NOT fouled! And as for Clyne, words fail me!
I'm so depressed about all this tonight.
If Shaw and others decide to leave, and indeed Pochetino himself, I wouldn't be surprised now.
We CANNOT keep a lead. Jeeez!!!
IF everyone stays this summer , and IF Katharina makes cash available to buy another central defender and top striker, we can go forward, but oh my goodness are we a frustrating side to follow at the moment.
So near and yet so far.
Fingers crossed we're all together (as one?) again in August.....
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
Someone cheer me up please and tell me I'm wrong
You're wrong.

Now get a grip man! Get some perspective, whatever happened today doesn't take away from the fact that we've had a great season. It could get even better come World Cup time but let's wait and see. Either way, stop flapping like an old woman.
Love it! Thank you!
I was in need of counselling and support!
Glad to be of service :)
[quote][p][bold]iswhite10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saints-alive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iswhite10[/bold] wrote: Er, we did NOT deserved to come away with something, we GAVE Spurs two goals, and Mauricio, Dejan was NOT fouled! And as for Clyne, words fail me! I'm so depressed about all this tonight. If Shaw and others decide to leave, and indeed Pochetino himself, I wouldn't be surprised now. We CANNOT keep a lead. Jeeez!!! IF everyone stays this summer , and IF Katharina makes cash available to buy another central defender and top striker, we can go forward, but oh my goodness are we a frustrating side to follow at the moment. So near and yet so far. Fingers crossed we're all together (as one?) again in August..... Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Someone cheer me up please and tell me I'm wrong[/p][/quote]You're wrong. Now get a grip man! Get some perspective, whatever happened today doesn't take away from the fact that we've had a great season. It could get even better come World Cup time but let's wait and see. Either way, stop flapping like an old woman.[/p][/quote]Love it! Thank you! I was in need of counselling and support![/p][/quote]Glad to be of service :) saints-alive
  • Score: 0

11:23pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness says...

Clever Dick wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
MP is right many of us said at the time that Dejan was fouled. his arm is clearly pulled and as he was off balance at the time it didn't take much for him to go down. the ref bottled it as he did for their second goal, again Dejan was clearly pushed in the back, you can see soldado`s arms extending, the pundits and commentators on sky said that if he had gone down at the time a foul would have been given, it shouldn't affect the decision though should it? I`m a big fan of American football and an push like that would always result in a `foul`, they have taken the decision that if a player is pushed (with arms extending) that it always affects the player.
I`m not making excuses but shreks `wonder` goal yesterday had pundits saying he had fouled the defender by nudging him, if they are saying that should have been a foul then why not the 2 on Dejan?
the ref also gave a foul against S. Davis who clearly got to the ball and cleared it before rose clattered into him. I don't mind refs getting things wrong but it gets annoying when they get obvious decisions like those wrong, and so many in one game. soldado pushed pulled and kicked Dejan and fonte all game yet the one time Dejan knocks him the ref gives a free kick and books him! and even then soldado backs into Dejan.
Agree with all of that. A crafty nudge in the back can be just as effective as a nasty tackle. I'm not 100% sure about the first one but the second was definite. How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player? Nevertheless it was Nat Clyne who made the mistake to gift them their first and as often happens that changed the entire momentum of the game. Pity because we were so superior to them up to that point. We must learn to stamp our superiority on sides at times but it would actually be quite difficult to maintain that level for an entire game.
"How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player?" If you'd ever played the game, you would know that the defender will always get jostled in that position near the end line as the defender is trying to shield the ball out for a goal kick. Lovren knew it and never bothered getting ready for it by bracing himself. Never mind replying; you're a know-nothing.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: MP is right many of us said at the time that Dejan was fouled. his arm is clearly pulled and as he was off balance at the time it didn't take much for him to go down. the ref bottled it as he did for their second goal, again Dejan was clearly pushed in the back, you can see soldado`s arms extending, the pundits and commentators on sky said that if he had gone down at the time a foul would have been given, it shouldn't affect the decision though should it? I`m a big fan of American football and an push like that would always result in a `foul`, they have taken the decision that if a player is pushed (with arms extending) that it always affects the player. I`m not making excuses but shreks `wonder` goal yesterday had pundits saying he had fouled the defender by nudging him, if they are saying that should have been a foul then why not the 2 on Dejan? the ref also gave a foul against S. Davis who clearly got to the ball and cleared it before rose clattered into him. I don't mind refs getting things wrong but it gets annoying when they get obvious decisions like those wrong, and so many in one game. soldado pushed pulled and kicked Dejan and fonte all game yet the one time Dejan knocks him the ref gives a free kick and books him! and even then soldado backs into Dejan.[/p][/quote]Agree with all of that. A crafty nudge in the back can be just as effective as a nasty tackle. I'm not 100% sure about the first one but the second was definite. How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player? Nevertheless it was Nat Clyne who made the mistake to gift them their first and as often happens that changed the entire momentum of the game. Pity because we were so superior to them up to that point. We must learn to stamp our superiority on sides at times but it would actually be quite difficult to maintain that level for an entire game.[/p][/quote]"How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player?" If you'd ever played the game, you would know that the defender will always get jostled in that position near the end line as the defender is trying to shield the ball out for a goal kick. Lovren knew it and never bothered getting ready for it by bracing himself. Never mind replying; you're a know-nothing. Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness
  • Score: -9

9:51am Mon 24 Mar 14

Chicago Saint says...

iswhite10 wrote:
Er, we did NOT deserved to come away with something, we GAVE Spurs two goals, and Mauricio, Dejan was NOT fouled! And as for Clyne, words fail me!
I'm so depressed about all this tonight.
If Shaw and others decide to leave, and indeed Pochetino himself, I wouldn't be surprised now.
We CANNOT keep a lead. Jeeez!!!
IF everyone stays this summer , and IF Katharina makes cash available to buy another central defender and top striker, we can go forward, but oh my goodness are we a frustrating side to follow at the moment.
So near and yet so far.
Fingers crossed we're all together (as one?) again in August.....
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
Someone cheer me up please and tell me I'm wrong
Well, I don't want to say that this game was meaningless to us, but it wasn't detrimental to our season. We are secure in the BPL for this season and realistically, we had little chance of making it to European football this season. I don't think Shaw, Lallana, MP, or anyone else for that matter, will decide to leave the club based on one game's result. We played much better than Spurs in the first half, Spurs tied the game, got a huge morale boost, and dominated the majority of the second half. Regardless of the errors, that is football, some go your way and others don't. We should be grateful that we are not in a relegation battle to where this game would have been detrimental in the standings. Let's accept the loss for what it is and move on. Our present and future remain bright overall and there's no need for panic or turmoil over a somewhat meaningless game. Mistakes will happen in every game, some of which can decide games. This was merely one of those games but luckily bears no long term harm for the team.
[quote][p][bold]iswhite10[/bold] wrote: Er, we did NOT deserved to come away with something, we GAVE Spurs two goals, and Mauricio, Dejan was NOT fouled! And as for Clyne, words fail me! I'm so depressed about all this tonight. If Shaw and others decide to leave, and indeed Pochetino himself, I wouldn't be surprised now. We CANNOT keep a lead. Jeeez!!! IF everyone stays this summer , and IF Katharina makes cash available to buy another central defender and top striker, we can go forward, but oh my goodness are we a frustrating side to follow at the moment. So near and yet so far. Fingers crossed we're all together (as one?) again in August..... Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Someone cheer me up please and tell me I'm wrong[/p][/quote]Well, I don't want to say that this game was meaningless to us, but it wasn't detrimental to our season. We are secure in the BPL for this season and realistically, we had little chance of making it to European football this season. I don't think Shaw, Lallana, MP, or anyone else for that matter, will decide to leave the club based on one game's result. We played much better than Spurs in the first half, Spurs tied the game, got a huge morale boost, and dominated the majority of the second half. Regardless of the errors, that is football, some go your way and others don't. We should be grateful that we are not in a relegation battle to where this game would have been detrimental in the standings. Let's accept the loss for what it is and move on. Our present and future remain bright overall and there's no need for panic or turmoil over a somewhat meaningless game. Mistakes will happen in every game, some of which can decide games. This was merely one of those games but luckily bears no long term harm for the team. Chicago Saint
  • Score: 3

9:56am Mon 24 Mar 14

Chicago Saint says...

bakeyboy wrote:
sorry but Pochetino you need to get a different song sheet cause this ones worn out, its about time you came out and started saying what we fans want to hear after these defeats, no wonder we keep making the same mistakes, we have a manager who thinks everything is fine, well it isn't and its about time you started telling it as it is. We cant defend and this team is so inconsistent that you can't call any game because we just don't have a clue what team is going to turn up, its ridiculous.
Seriously dude, fill up the rest of your glass buddy. MP doesn't need owe you or anyone an explanation of why we lost. We simply lost, and that's that! Does that really make him a bad manager simply because he didn't say what YOU wanted him to say? Grow up!
[quote][p][bold]bakeyboy[/bold] wrote: sorry but Pochetino you need to get a different song sheet cause this ones worn out, its about time you came out and started saying what we fans want to hear after these defeats, no wonder we keep making the same mistakes, we have a manager who thinks everything is fine, well it isn't and its about time you started telling it as it is. We cant defend and this team is so inconsistent that you can't call any game because we just don't have a clue what team is going to turn up, its ridiculous.[/p][/quote]Seriously dude, fill up the rest of your glass buddy. MP doesn't need owe you or anyone an explanation of why we lost. We simply lost, and that's that! Does that really make him a bad manager simply because he didn't say what YOU wanted him to say? Grow up! Chicago Saint
  • Score: 3

10:00am Mon 24 Mar 14

Clever Dick says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
MP is right many of us said at the time that Dejan was fouled. his arm is clearly pulled and as he was off balance at the time it didn't take much for him to go down. the ref bottled it as he did for their second goal, again Dejan was clearly pushed in the back, you can see soldado`s arms extending, the pundits and commentators on sky said that if he had gone down at the time a foul would have been given, it shouldn't affect the decision though should it? I`m a big fan of American football and an push like that would always result in a `foul`, they have taken the decision that if a player is pushed (with arms extending) that it always affects the player.
I`m not making excuses but shreks `wonder` goal yesterday had pundits saying he had fouled the defender by nudging him, if they are saying that should have been a foul then why not the 2 on Dejan?
the ref also gave a foul against S. Davis who clearly got to the ball and cleared it before rose clattered into him. I don't mind refs getting things wrong but it gets annoying when they get obvious decisions like those wrong, and so many in one game. soldado pushed pulled and kicked Dejan and fonte all game yet the one time Dejan knocks him the ref gives a free kick and books him! and even then soldado backs into Dejan.
Agree with all of that. A crafty nudge in the back can be just as effective as a nasty tackle. I'm not 100% sure about the first one but the second was definite. How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player? Nevertheless it was Nat Clyne who made the mistake to gift them their first and as often happens that changed the entire momentum of the game. Pity because we were so superior to them up to that point. We must learn to stamp our superiority on sides at times but it would actually be quite difficult to maintain that level for an entire game.
"How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player?" If you'd ever played the game, you would know that the defender will always get jostled in that position near the end line as the defender is trying to shield the ball out for a goal kick. Lovren knew it and never bothered getting ready for it by bracing himself. Never mind replying; you're a know-nothing.
I like responding especially when I'm reponding to a total tw-t. Yes I have played the game thanks albeit many years ago now. Not professionally but Hants league level. As this is a football forum where most of the respondents have a little knowledge of the game you might occasionally wonder why they give you get so many thumbs down. The very simple answer to that is that it is you who is the know nothing tw-t. Don't bother replying, as you've talked enough sh-t for a whole week.
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: MP is right many of us said at the time that Dejan was fouled. his arm is clearly pulled and as he was off balance at the time it didn't take much for him to go down. the ref bottled it as he did for their second goal, again Dejan was clearly pushed in the back, you can see soldado`s arms extending, the pundits and commentators on sky said that if he had gone down at the time a foul would have been given, it shouldn't affect the decision though should it? I`m a big fan of American football and an push like that would always result in a `foul`, they have taken the decision that if a player is pushed (with arms extending) that it always affects the player. I`m not making excuses but shreks `wonder` goal yesterday had pundits saying he had fouled the defender by nudging him, if they are saying that should have been a foul then why not the 2 on Dejan? the ref also gave a foul against S. Davis who clearly got to the ball and cleared it before rose clattered into him. I don't mind refs getting things wrong but it gets annoying when they get obvious decisions like those wrong, and so many in one game. soldado pushed pulled and kicked Dejan and fonte all game yet the one time Dejan knocks him the ref gives a free kick and books him! and even then soldado backs into Dejan.[/p][/quote]Agree with all of that. A crafty nudge in the back can be just as effective as a nasty tackle. I'm not 100% sure about the first one but the second was definite. How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player? Nevertheless it was Nat Clyne who made the mistake to gift them their first and as often happens that changed the entire momentum of the game. Pity because we were so superior to them up to that point. We must learn to stamp our superiority on sides at times but it would actually be quite difficult to maintain that level for an entire game.[/p][/quote]"How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player?" If you'd ever played the game, you would know that the defender will always get jostled in that position near the end line as the defender is trying to shield the ball out for a goal kick. Lovren knew it and never bothered getting ready for it by bracing himself. Never mind replying; you're a know-nothing.[/p][/quote]I like responding especially when I'm reponding to a total tw-t. Yes I have played the game thanks albeit many years ago now. Not professionally but Hants league level. As this is a football forum where most of the respondents have a little knowledge of the game you might occasionally wonder why they give you get so many thumbs down. The very simple answer to that is that it is you who is the know nothing tw-t. Don't bother replying, as you've talked enough sh-t for a whole week. Clever Dick
  • Score: 2

10:59am Mon 24 Mar 14

Jesus_02 says...

jrod11 wrote:
Making excuses will never change the result and most games have controversial decisions as seen week in week out, that is football.
Goals change games. It shouldnt have been a goal..It changed the game.

Yes it happens, and we needed to react possitivly to bad decisions. Personaly I thought we did.. we saw out the half and went in 2-1 up.

The second goal really shook us and we didnt react possitivly and we where lucky not to go down 3-2 earlier.

Ive not seen Saints play such a bad 30mins after we conceded the second
[quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: Making excuses will never change the result and most games have controversial decisions as seen week in week out, that is football.[/p][/quote]Goals change games. It shouldnt have been a goal..It changed the game. Yes it happens, and we needed to react possitivly to bad decisions. Personaly I thought we did.. we saw out the half and went in 2-1 up. The second goal really shook us and we didnt react possitivly and we where lucky not to go down 3-2 earlier. Ive not seen Saints play such a bad 30mins after we conceded the second Jesus_02
  • Score: 1

12:54pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Clever Dick wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
MP is right many of us said at the time that Dejan was fouled. his arm is clearly pulled and as he was off balance at the time it didn't take much for him to go down. the ref bottled it as he did for their second goal, again Dejan was clearly pushed in the back, you can see soldado`s arms extending, the pundits and commentators on sky said that if he had gone down at the time a foul would have been given, it shouldn't affect the decision though should it? I`m a big fan of American football and an push like that would always result in a `foul`, they have taken the decision that if a player is pushed (with arms extending) that it always affects the player.
I`m not making excuses but shreks `wonder` goal yesterday had pundits saying he had fouled the defender by nudging him, if they are saying that should have been a foul then why not the 2 on Dejan?
the ref also gave a foul against S. Davis who clearly got to the ball and cleared it before rose clattered into him. I don't mind refs getting things wrong but it gets annoying when they get obvious decisions like those wrong, and so many in one game. soldado pushed pulled and kicked Dejan and fonte all game yet the one time Dejan knocks him the ref gives a free kick and books him! and even then soldado backs into Dejan.
Agree with all of that. A crafty nudge in the back can be just as effective as a nasty tackle. I'm not 100% sure about the first one but the second was definite. How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player? Nevertheless it was Nat Clyne who made the mistake to gift them their first and as often happens that changed the entire momentum of the game. Pity because we were so superior to them up to that point. We must learn to stamp our superiority on sides at times but it would actually be quite difficult to maintain that level for an entire game.
No need to rise to the WUM, CD, your points and Horse's are well made and I agree in general with all of them.

For me, it's not that the ref didn't give either - nor the inconsistencies as outlined by Horse before you - but that I feel certain that, if the situations had been at the other end, the crowd would have shouted for fouls and the ref would have given them.

Of course, that's a subjective view, but it's my opinion solely based on the evidence of this season when very few 50-50s have gone our way (I can only remember these: our pen at WBA, no pen to Liverpool in the win at Anfield, the late foul by Fonte on Snodarse at Norwich.) The Norwich one was fairly insignificant but the earlier clear ungiven handball we didn't get was. And that has happened all season; so, so many wrong or close decisions that have not gone our way and you begin to smell something. That's how it felt on Saturday. Like you, I think that the first was a foul but happens all the time and is rarely given but the second was deliberate and should have been awarded.

That said, Dejan might have done better and Nat simply spoilt his chances of a late Roy call up. Time to move on .....
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: MP is right many of us said at the time that Dejan was fouled. his arm is clearly pulled and as he was off balance at the time it didn't take much for him to go down. the ref bottled it as he did for their second goal, again Dejan was clearly pushed in the back, you can see soldado`s arms extending, the pundits and commentators on sky said that if he had gone down at the time a foul would have been given, it shouldn't affect the decision though should it? I`m a big fan of American football and an push like that would always result in a `foul`, they have taken the decision that if a player is pushed (with arms extending) that it always affects the player. I`m not making excuses but shreks `wonder` goal yesterday had pundits saying he had fouled the defender by nudging him, if they are saying that should have been a foul then why not the 2 on Dejan? the ref also gave a foul against S. Davis who clearly got to the ball and cleared it before rose clattered into him. I don't mind refs getting things wrong but it gets annoying when they get obvious decisions like those wrong, and so many in one game. soldado pushed pulled and kicked Dejan and fonte all game yet the one time Dejan knocks him the ref gives a free kick and books him! and even then soldado backs into Dejan.[/p][/quote]Agree with all of that. A crafty nudge in the back can be just as effective as a nasty tackle. I'm not 100% sure about the first one but the second was definite. How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player? Nevertheless it was Nat Clyne who made the mistake to gift them their first and as often happens that changed the entire momentum of the game. Pity because we were so superior to them up to that point. We must learn to stamp our superiority on sides at times but it would actually be quite difficult to maintain that level for an entire game.[/p][/quote]No need to rise to the WUM, CD, your points and Horse's are well made and I agree in general with all of them. For me, it's not that the ref didn't give either - nor the inconsistencies as outlined by Horse before you - but that I feel certain that, if the situations had been at the other end, the crowd would have shouted for fouls and the ref would have given them. Of course, that's a subjective view, but it's my opinion solely based on the evidence of this season when very few 50-50s have gone our way (I can only remember these: our pen at WBA, no pen to Liverpool in the win at Anfield, the late foul by Fonte on Snodarse at Norwich.) The Norwich one was fairly insignificant but the earlier clear ungiven handball we didn't get was. And that has happened all season; so, so many wrong or close decisions that have not gone our way and you begin to smell something. That's how it felt on Saturday. Like you, I think that the first was a foul but happens all the time and is rarely given but the second was deliberate and should have been awarded. That said, Dejan might have done better and Nat simply spoilt his chances of a late Roy call up. Time to move on ..... Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 0

1:22pm Mon 24 Mar 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
MP is right many of us said at the time that Dejan was fouled. his arm is clearly pulled and as he was off balance at the time it didn't take much for him to go down. the ref bottled it as he did for their second goal, again Dejan was clearly pushed in the back, you can see soldado`s arms extending, the pundits and commentators on sky said that if he had gone down at the time a foul would have been given, it shouldn't affect the decision though should it? I`m a big fan of American football and an push like that would always result in a `foul`, they have taken the decision that if a player is pushed (with arms extending) that it always affects the player.
I`m not making excuses but shreks `wonder` goal yesterday had pundits saying he had fouled the defender by nudging him, if they are saying that should have been a foul then why not the 2 on Dejan?
the ref also gave a foul against S. Davis who clearly got to the ball and cleared it before rose clattered into him. I don't mind refs getting things wrong but it gets annoying when they get obvious decisions like those wrong, and so many in one game. soldado pushed pulled and kicked Dejan and fonte all game yet the one time Dejan knocks him the ref gives a free kick and books him! and even then soldado backs into Dejan.
Agree with all of that. A crafty nudge in the back can be just as effective as a nasty tackle. I'm not 100% sure about the first one but the second was definite. How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player? Nevertheless it was Nat Clyne who made the mistake to gift them their first and as often happens that changed the entire momentum of the game. Pity because we were so superior to them up to that point. We must learn to stamp our superiority on sides at times but it would actually be quite difficult to maintain that level for an entire game.
No need to rise to the WUM, CD, your points and Horse's are well made and I agree in general with all of them.

For me, it's not that the ref didn't give either - nor the inconsistencies as outlined by Horse before you - but that I feel certain that, if the situations had been at the other end, the crowd would have shouted for fouls and the ref would have given them.

Of course, that's a subjective view, but it's my opinion solely based on the evidence of this season when very few 50-50s have gone our way (I can only remember these: our pen at WBA, no pen to Liverpool in the win at Anfield, the late foul by Fonte on Snodarse at Norwich.) The Norwich one was fairly insignificant but the earlier clear ungiven handball we didn't get was. And that has happened all season; so, so many wrong or close decisions that have not gone our way and you begin to smell something. That's how it felt on Saturday. Like you, I think that the first was a foul but happens all the time and is rarely given but the second was deliberate and should have been awarded.

That said, Dejan might have done better and Nat simply spoilt his chances of a late Roy call up. Time to move on .....
have to agree with stras with regard to mentally challenged CD. I think we all know what he/she/it is and what he`s doing (or trying to do) and I`ve given up bothering to read his/her/its posts, there just not worth the effort as its the same old carp all the time with little knowledge of the game. respond to him/her/it and you will get the same old `your the thread police` `I know more than you` and abusive that he/she/it always gives.

stras is also right when it comes to 50/50s, every team fees that they are hard done by but I think we are really getting the wrong end of the stick. look at the `foul` given on S. Davis yesterday, clearly got to the ball and was only the follow through that caught rose, who had been kicking and pushing/pulling all game without the ref even having a word with him!
not blaming the ref for the result, as we should have been able to close the game out, but his non-calls certainly made a big difference.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: MP is right many of us said at the time that Dejan was fouled. his arm is clearly pulled and as he was off balance at the time it didn't take much for him to go down. the ref bottled it as he did for their second goal, again Dejan was clearly pushed in the back, you can see soldado`s arms extending, the pundits and commentators on sky said that if he had gone down at the time a foul would have been given, it shouldn't affect the decision though should it? I`m a big fan of American football and an push like that would always result in a `foul`, they have taken the decision that if a player is pushed (with arms extending) that it always affects the player. I`m not making excuses but shreks `wonder` goal yesterday had pundits saying he had fouled the defender by nudging him, if they are saying that should have been a foul then why not the 2 on Dejan? the ref also gave a foul against S. Davis who clearly got to the ball and cleared it before rose clattered into him. I don't mind refs getting things wrong but it gets annoying when they get obvious decisions like those wrong, and so many in one game. soldado pushed pulled and kicked Dejan and fonte all game yet the one time Dejan knocks him the ref gives a free kick and books him! and even then soldado backs into Dejan.[/p][/quote]Agree with all of that. A crafty nudge in the back can be just as effective as a nasty tackle. I'm not 100% sure about the first one but the second was definite. How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player? Nevertheless it was Nat Clyne who made the mistake to gift them their first and as often happens that changed the entire momentum of the game. Pity because we were so superior to them up to that point. We must learn to stamp our superiority on sides at times but it would actually be quite difficult to maintain that level for an entire game.[/p][/quote]No need to rise to the WUM, CD, your points and Horse's are well made and I agree in general with all of them. For me, it's not that the ref didn't give either - nor the inconsistencies as outlined by Horse before you - but that I feel certain that, if the situations had been at the other end, the crowd would have shouted for fouls and the ref would have given them. Of course, that's a subjective view, but it's my opinion solely based on the evidence of this season when very few 50-50s have gone our way (I can only remember these: our pen at WBA, no pen to Liverpool in the win at Anfield, the late foul by Fonte on Snodarse at Norwich.) The Norwich one was fairly insignificant but the earlier clear ungiven handball we didn't get was. And that has happened all season; so, so many wrong or close decisions that have not gone our way and you begin to smell something. That's how it felt on Saturday. Like you, I think that the first was a foul but happens all the time and is rarely given but the second was deliberate and should have been awarded. That said, Dejan might have done better and Nat simply spoilt his chances of a late Roy call up. Time to move on .....[/p][/quote]have to agree with stras with regard to mentally challenged CD. I think we all know what he/she/it is and what he`s doing (or trying to do) and I`ve given up bothering to read his/her/its posts, there just not worth the effort as its the same old carp all the time with little knowledge of the game. respond to him/her/it and you will get the same old `your the thread police` `I know more than you` and abusive that he/she/it always gives. stras is also right when it comes to 50/50s, every team fees that they are hard done by but I think we are really getting the wrong end of the stick. look at the `foul` given on S. Davis yesterday, clearly got to the ball and was only the follow through that caught rose, who had been kicking and pushing/pulling all game without the ref even having a word with him! not blaming the ref for the result, as we should have been able to close the game out, but his non-calls certainly made a big difference. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 0

8:39pm Mon 24 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
MP is right many of us said at the time that Dejan was fouled. his arm is clearly pulled and as he was off balance at the time it didn't take much for him to go down. the ref bottled it as he did for their second goal, again Dejan was clearly pushed in the back, you can see soldado`s arms extending, the pundits and commentators on sky said that if he had gone down at the time a foul would have been given, it shouldn't affect the decision though should it? I`m a big fan of American football and an push like that would always result in a `foul`, they have taken the decision that if a player is pushed (with arms extending) that it always affects the player.
I`m not making excuses but shreks `wonder` goal yesterday had pundits saying he had fouled the defender by nudging him, if they are saying that should have been a foul then why not the 2 on Dejan?
the ref also gave a foul against S. Davis who clearly got to the ball and cleared it before rose clattered into him. I don't mind refs getting things wrong but it gets annoying when they get obvious decisions like those wrong, and so many in one game. soldado pushed pulled and kicked Dejan and fonte all game yet the one time Dejan knocks him the ref gives a free kick and books him! and even then soldado backs into Dejan.
Agree with all of that. A crafty nudge in the back can be just as effective as a nasty tackle. I'm not 100% sure about the first one but the second was definite. How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player? Nevertheless it was Nat Clyne who made the mistake to gift them their first and as often happens that changed the entire momentum of the game. Pity because we were so superior to them up to that point. We must learn to stamp our superiority on sides at times but it would actually be quite difficult to maintain that level for an entire game.
"How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player?" If you'd ever played the game, you would know that the defender will always get jostled in that position near the end line as the defender is trying to shield the ball out for a goal kick. Lovren knew it and never bothered getting ready for it by bracing himself. Never mind replying; you're a know-nothing.
I like responding especially when I'm reponding to a total tw-t. Yes I have played the game thanks albeit many years ago now. Not professionally but Hants league level. As this is a football forum where most of the respondents have a little knowledge of the game you might occasionally wonder why they give you get so many thumbs down. The very simple answer to that is that it is you who is the know nothing tw-t. Don't bother replying, as you've talked enough sh-t for a whole week.
Steady CD he is deliberately getting to you, no need to respond, he knows full well that Dejan was fouled for the first goal, it was a very subtle, but very effective arm pull that had the desired effect, it just wasn't seen by those that mattered, doesn't excuse Clynes gaff though, he will have nightmares about that for ages.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: MP is right many of us said at the time that Dejan was fouled. his arm is clearly pulled and as he was off balance at the time it didn't take much for him to go down. the ref bottled it as he did for their second goal, again Dejan was clearly pushed in the back, you can see soldado`s arms extending, the pundits and commentators on sky said that if he had gone down at the time a foul would have been given, it shouldn't affect the decision though should it? I`m a big fan of American football and an push like that would always result in a `foul`, they have taken the decision that if a player is pushed (with arms extending) that it always affects the player. I`m not making excuses but shreks `wonder` goal yesterday had pundits saying he had fouled the defender by nudging him, if they are saying that should have been a foul then why not the 2 on Dejan? the ref also gave a foul against S. Davis who clearly got to the ball and cleared it before rose clattered into him. I don't mind refs getting things wrong but it gets annoying when they get obvious decisions like those wrong, and so many in one game. soldado pushed pulled and kicked Dejan and fonte all game yet the one time Dejan knocks him the ref gives a free kick and books him! and even then soldado backs into Dejan.[/p][/quote]Agree with all of that. A crafty nudge in the back can be just as effective as a nasty tackle. I'm not 100% sure about the first one but the second was definite. How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player? Nevertheless it was Nat Clyne who made the mistake to gift them their first and as often happens that changed the entire momentum of the game. Pity because we were so superior to them up to that point. We must learn to stamp our superiority on sides at times but it would actually be quite difficult to maintain that level for an entire game.[/p][/quote]"How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player?" If you'd ever played the game, you would know that the defender will always get jostled in that position near the end line as the defender is trying to shield the ball out for a goal kick. Lovren knew it and never bothered getting ready for it by bracing himself. Never mind replying; you're a know-nothing.[/p][/quote]I like responding especially when I'm reponding to a total tw-t. Yes I have played the game thanks albeit many years ago now. Not professionally but Hants league level. As this is a football forum where most of the respondents have a little knowledge of the game you might occasionally wonder why they give you get so many thumbs down. The very simple answer to that is that it is you who is the know nothing tw-t. Don't bother replying, as you've talked enough sh-t for a whole week.[/p][/quote]Steady CD he is deliberately getting to you, no need to respond, he knows full well that Dejan was fouled for the first goal, it was a very subtle, but very effective arm pull that had the desired effect, it just wasn't seen by those that mattered, doesn't excuse Clynes gaff though, he will have nightmares about that for ages. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

9:43pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Clever Dick says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
MP is right many of us said at the time that Dejan was fouled. his arm is clearly pulled and as he was off balance at the time it didn't take much for him to go down. the ref bottled it as he did for their second goal, again Dejan was clearly pushed in the back, you can see soldado`s arms extending, the pundits and commentators on sky said that if he had gone down at the time a foul would have been given, it shouldn't affect the decision though should it? I`m a big fan of American football and an push like that would always result in a `foul`, they have taken the decision that if a player is pushed (with arms extending) that it always affects the player.
I`m not making excuses but shreks `wonder` goal yesterday had pundits saying he had fouled the defender by nudging him, if they are saying that should have been a foul then why not the 2 on Dejan?
the ref also gave a foul against S. Davis who clearly got to the ball and cleared it before rose clattered into him. I don't mind refs getting things wrong but it gets annoying when they get obvious decisions like those wrong, and so many in one game. soldado pushed pulled and kicked Dejan and fonte all game yet the one time Dejan knocks him the ref gives a free kick and books him! and even then soldado backs into Dejan.
Agree with all of that. A crafty nudge in the back can be just as effective as a nasty tackle. I'm not 100% sure about the first one but the second was definite. How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player? Nevertheless it was Nat Clyne who made the mistake to gift them their first and as often happens that changed the entire momentum of the game. Pity because we were so superior to them up to that point. We must learn to stamp our superiority on sides at times but it would actually be quite difficult to maintain that level for an entire game.
"How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player?" If you'd ever played the game, you would know that the defender will always get jostled in that position near the end line as the defender is trying to shield the ball out for a goal kick. Lovren knew it and never bothered getting ready for it by bracing himself. Never mind replying; you're a know-nothing.
I like responding especially when I'm reponding to a total tw-t. Yes I have played the game thanks albeit many years ago now. Not professionally but Hants league level. As this is a football forum where most of the respondents have a little knowledge of the game you might occasionally wonder why they give you get so many thumbs down. The very simple answer to that is that it is you who is the know nothing tw-t. Don't bother replying, as you've talked enough sh-t for a whole week.
Steady CD he is deliberately getting to you, no need to respond, he knows full well that Dejan was fouled for the first goal, it was a very subtle, but very effective arm pull that had the desired effect, it just wasn't seen by those that mattered, doesn't excuse Clynes gaff though, he will have nightmares about that for ages.
Don't worry about me. I regard all insults from skunts as compliments. I know they don't really need any help to humiliate themselves but sometimes I can't resist.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: MP is right many of us said at the time that Dejan was fouled. his arm is clearly pulled and as he was off balance at the time it didn't take much for him to go down. the ref bottled it as he did for their second goal, again Dejan was clearly pushed in the back, you can see soldado`s arms extending, the pundits and commentators on sky said that if he had gone down at the time a foul would have been given, it shouldn't affect the decision though should it? I`m a big fan of American football and an push like that would always result in a `foul`, they have taken the decision that if a player is pushed (with arms extending) that it always affects the player. I`m not making excuses but shreks `wonder` goal yesterday had pundits saying he had fouled the defender by nudging him, if they are saying that should have been a foul then why not the 2 on Dejan? the ref also gave a foul against S. Davis who clearly got to the ball and cleared it before rose clattered into him. I don't mind refs getting things wrong but it gets annoying when they get obvious decisions like those wrong, and so many in one game. soldado pushed pulled and kicked Dejan and fonte all game yet the one time Dejan knocks him the ref gives a free kick and books him! and even then soldado backs into Dejan.[/p][/quote]Agree with all of that. A crafty nudge in the back can be just as effective as a nasty tackle. I'm not 100% sure about the first one but the second was definite. How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player? Nevertheless it was Nat Clyne who made the mistake to gift them their first and as often happens that changed the entire momentum of the game. Pity because we were so superior to them up to that point. We must learn to stamp our superiority on sides at times but it would actually be quite difficult to maintain that level for an entire game.[/p][/quote]"How is a defender supposed to know when the nudge is coming when he has his back to the fouling player?" If you'd ever played the game, you would know that the defender will always get jostled in that position near the end line as the defender is trying to shield the ball out for a goal kick. Lovren knew it and never bothered getting ready for it by bracing himself. Never mind replying; you're a know-nothing.[/p][/quote]I like responding especially when I'm reponding to a total tw-t. Yes I have played the game thanks albeit many years ago now. Not professionally but Hants league level. As this is a football forum where most of the respondents have a little knowledge of the game you might occasionally wonder why they give you get so many thumbs down. The very simple answer to that is that it is you who is the know nothing tw-t. Don't bother replying, as you've talked enough sh-t for a whole week.[/p][/quote]Steady CD he is deliberately getting to you, no need to respond, he knows full well that Dejan was fouled for the first goal, it was a very subtle, but very effective arm pull that had the desired effect, it just wasn't seen by those that mattered, doesn't excuse Clynes gaff though, he will have nightmares about that for ages.[/p][/quote]Don't worry about me. I regard all insults from skunts as compliments. I know they don't really need any help to humiliate themselves but sometimes I can't resist. Clever Dick
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