Bookmakers install Southampton boss Mauricio Pochettino as second favourite for Tottenham job

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Mauricio Pochettino has been installed as the bookies’ second favourite to become the next Tottenham manager.

The Saints boss has long been linked with the job at White Hart Lane with Spurs chairman Daniel Levy said to be a big fan of the Argentinian.

It appears likely that the Tottenham job will become available in the summer with Tim Sherwood widely reported to be facing the axe at the end of the current campaign.

The bookies have priced Louis van Gaal at 4-7 for the Spurs job, with Pochettino second favourite at as short as 4-1.

Frustrating though it is for Saints fans, the speculation over Pochettino’s future continues to rumble on while he has not signed an extension to his contract which expires in just over a year.

A poll on dailyecho.co.uk showed that 85 per cent of supporters felt that it was important Pochettino, pictured right, signed a new deal before the summer.

A whole host of the club’s top stars have also come out and publicly called for their manager to be tied down to a new deal.

Pochettino has been coy about his future when asked, and has emphasised that he prefers to concentrate on pushing Saints to the highest Premier League finish he can before worrying about anything else.

Last week, when asked again about the Tottenham job, he said: “The first thing is that I still have one more year on my contract.

“The second thing is that we still have six games until the end of the season and we are trying to focus as much as we can to get the maximum number of points out of those games.

“Third of all, as first team manager I am always focussed on the team and the game ahead.

“I am also working in a calm manner and I am open to discuss with the board whenever it’s convenient and necessary the future but I think there is still time until that happens and I am always open to discuss with the board whenever it’s necessary in the future.”

Pochettino has also indicated he wants to hear more details from the new board about the future of the club – but that is best left until the summer.

“At the moment, we’re in the midst of finishing the competition as best as possible,” he said 11 days ago.

“I am not a manager to speak about individual situations when we’re in the middle of doing that, which also includes my own personal, individual circumstances.

“I think the fact that I still have an additional year on my contract is proof enough that we should be focusing on the league, focusing on the competitions.

“After these six weeks, then we can speak about things in a calm manner and I can get to know more how the club wants to move forward, what the new project at the club is and how we move forward from then on.

“With everything that has happened in January, with the arrival of a new team, a new vision for the football club, a new vision in a commercial and sporting sense, I don’t think it is time to be speaking about decisions or making abrupt decisions.

“I think once the season is over, we can make a deep analysis of how we want to move forward. We want to listen, especially more than anything to the new team, how they want to go forward with the new team and then we can make a decision with the new team about how we move forward.”

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8:14am Tue 8 Apr 14

jrod11 says...

Poch is off for sure then...Shame. UTC
Poch is off for sure then...Shame. UTC jrod11
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8:28am Tue 8 Apr 14

killared says...

Here we go again slow news at the echo !
Here we go again slow news at the echo ! killared
  • Score: -5

8:28am Tue 8 Apr 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

It's interesting how Poch keeps on saying the same thing - he's concentrating on the league first and he'll worry about the rest in the summer. But no one in the media seems to want to listen to him.

Given the state of football and the fact that Poch is now one of the longest serving managers in the PL, it is natural for speculation to happen.
I also love how pretty much all of our team have been linked with moves away. We get some success behind us and climb the table and instantly everyone wants our players. The cynical, paranoid side of me says it's a conspiracy against Saints!

The summer will bring what it brings. I personally hope that it brings a lot of disappointment for the circling vultures. Believe nothing until it is on the official site.
It's interesting how Poch keeps on saying the same thing - he's concentrating on the league first and he'll worry about the rest in the summer. But no one in the media seems to want to listen to him. Given the state of football and the fact that Poch is now one of the longest serving managers in the PL, it is natural for speculation to happen. I also love how pretty much all of our team have been linked with moves away. We get some success behind us and climb the table and instantly everyone wants our players. The cynical, paranoid side of me says it's a conspiracy against Saints! The summer will bring what it brings. I personally hope that it brings a lot of disappointment for the circling vultures. Believe nothing until it is on the official site. Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 22

8:48am Tue 8 Apr 14

SaintinCanada says...

If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.
If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards. SaintinCanada
  • Score: 53

8:58am Tue 8 Apr 14

ian redhill says...

SaintinCanada wrote:
If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.
Totally agree with this, spuds have been in this position before and levy likes to keep moving people around, add in the Baldini issue and you have mass instability. AVB and Sherwood gone since Poch came to us, no brainer. Poch has also stated he likes working and bringing through young players where is spuds academy? He will stay. STID
[quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with this, spuds have been in this position before and levy likes to keep moving people around, add in the Baldini issue and you have mass instability. AVB and Sherwood gone since Poch came to us, no brainer. Poch has also stated he likes working and bringing through young players where is spuds academy? He will stay. STID ian redhill
  • Score: 22

9:04am Tue 8 Apr 14

justaSaintsfan says...

Mauricio will go nowhere else this summer!!!

He will sign a new contract in due course. There is no panic.

Saints want Mauricio to stay.

The fans want Mauricio to stay.

There is only one place that Mauricio is going . . . . . . . to work for Southampton FC!!!

There is the great prospect of exciting times ahead for Saints with Mauricio.

What prospect of something similar is there at Spurs?

Answer: Much less than at Saints!!

Onward and upward for our ever improving squad, our ever improving academy players and our ever improving young manager, the Southampton Way!!!
Mauricio will go nowhere else this summer!!! He will sign a new contract in due course. There is no panic. Saints want Mauricio to stay. The fans want Mauricio to stay. There is only one place that Mauricio is going . . . . . . . to work for Southampton FC!!! There is the great prospect of exciting times ahead for Saints with Mauricio. What prospect of something similar is there at Spurs? Answer: Much less than at Saints!! Onward and upward for our ever improving squad, our ever improving academy players and our ever improving young manager, the Southampton Way!!! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 28

9:05am Tue 8 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

SaintinCanada wrote:
If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.
Yep. Unless the new board at SMS doesn't want to spend any money and would possibly consider selling a player and Levy offered you not only a huge salary but a £100m war chest to push on with.

I've said since their arrival the future of this club depends on how ambitious the new board is. If they are as ambitious as Cortese was then Poch will stay and so will the players who are now so loyal to him.
[quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.[/p][/quote]Yep. Unless the new board at SMS doesn't want to spend any money and would possibly consider selling a player and Levy offered you not only a huge salary but a £100m war chest to push on with. I've said since their arrival the future of this club depends on how ambitious the new board is. If they are as ambitious as Cortese was then Poch will stay and so will the players who are now so loyal to him. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 7

9:09am Tue 8 Apr 14

Abbey Saint says...

jrod11 wrote:
Poch is off for sure then...Shame. UTC
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." - anon
[quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: Poch is off for sure then...Shame. UTC[/p][/quote]"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." - anon Abbey Saint
  • Score: 30

9:26am Tue 8 Apr 14

Outside of the Box says...

To be honest he's contracted until the end of next season, if he wants to go (we all know contract mean nothing) then he'll go, if he honestly believes Spuds are a better option than Saints good luck to him, personally I feel he's done a great job, but there are some really good managers available. Michael Laudrup, and of course Louis Van Gaal another Spuds favourite.
To be honest he's contracted until the end of next season, if he wants to go (we all know contract mean nothing) then he'll go, if he honestly believes Spuds are a better option than Saints good luck to him, personally I feel he's done a great job, but there are some really good managers available. Michael Laudrup, and of course Louis Van Gaal another Spuds favourite. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 6

9:39am Tue 8 Apr 14

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

THE FANS WANT A NEW DEAL FOR POCH AT SOUTHAMPTON WHERE HE IS APPRECIATED.

To go to Spurs would be a poisoned chalice for any Manager because whatever you do - it will never good enough. Look at Tim Sherwood and you realise no-one in their right mind would want the job.

WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON AND WE HAVE SPURS IN OUR SIGHTS TO WIN HOME AND AWAY AND OVERHAUL THEM IN THE LEAGUE.

it would be death of MP's career to go to Spuds.

SIGNING FOR SOUTHAMPTOM WILL ENHANCE HIS REPUTATION AND CAREER.

THE SAINTS GO MARCHING ON-ON-ON !!!
THE FANS WANT A NEW DEAL FOR POCH AT SOUTHAMPTON WHERE HE IS APPRECIATED. To go to Spurs would be a poisoned chalice for any Manager because whatever you do - it will never good enough. Look at Tim Sherwood and you realise no-one in their right mind would want the job. WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON AND WE HAVE SPURS IN OUR SIGHTS TO WIN HOME AND AWAY AND OVERHAUL THEM IN THE LEAGUE. it would be death of MP's career to go to Spuds. SIGNING FOR SOUTHAMPTOM WILL ENHANCE HIS REPUTATION AND CAREER. THE SAINTS GO MARCHING ON-ON-ON !!! REDARMYRULETHESOUTH
  • Score: 23

9:43am Tue 8 Apr 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintinCanada wrote:
If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.
Yep. Unless the new board at SMS doesn't want to spend any money and would possibly consider selling a player and Levy offered you not only a huge salary but a £100m war chest to push on with.

I've said since their arrival the future of this club depends on how ambitious the new board is. If they are as ambitious as Cortese was then Poch will stay and so will the players who are now so loyal to him.
But how could you last with Levy if you didn't deliver instant success, you could mess your career up in the process because of his impatience. Even with a big salary and a huge war chest I wouldn't fancy Spurs, you don't get time to do the job. And you can't buy your own players.

I think with our board you have consider Cortese's ambition which was fantastic, and we have all benefited from it, may have been beyond the budget the ultimate shareholder wanted to fund. And that is why he is no longer with us. Perhaps our expectations have been falsely raised by a man who was a loose cannon and ignored the direction given to him by the owner?

Whatever the truth is, the vision he sold us is no longer valid and now we have wait for the next one to be presented to us before we can judge how we are likely to fare next season. I hope the new vision is as positive as Cortese's and the board is keeping it's strategy to itself, so when we go into the transfer market prices don't go through the roof. But I have my doubts.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.[/p][/quote]Yep. Unless the new board at SMS doesn't want to spend any money and would possibly consider selling a player and Levy offered you not only a huge salary but a £100m war chest to push on with. I've said since their arrival the future of this club depends on how ambitious the new board is. If they are as ambitious as Cortese was then Poch will stay and so will the players who are now so loyal to him.[/p][/quote]But how could you last with Levy if you didn't deliver instant success, you could mess your career up in the process because of his impatience. Even with a big salary and a huge war chest I wouldn't fancy Spurs, you don't get time to do the job. And you can't buy your own players. I think with our board you have consider Cortese's ambition which was fantastic, and we have all benefited from it, may have been beyond the budget the ultimate shareholder wanted to fund. And that is why he is no longer with us. Perhaps our expectations have been falsely raised by a man who was a loose cannon and ignored the direction given to him by the owner? Whatever the truth is, the vision he sold us is no longer valid and now we have wait for the next one to be presented to us before we can judge how we are likely to fare next season. I hope the new vision is as positive as Cortese's and the board is keeping it's strategy to itself, so when we go into the transfer market prices don't go through the roof. But I have my doubts. george chivers
  • Score: 16

9:55am Tue 8 Apr 14

saintmac says...

I think MP wants to stay and will do so providing he is happy with the support he receives from the Board.From what KL has said she has a vision for the Club and is certainly taking an active interest in managing the Club.When KL
took over I admit I doubted her committment but she has proved me wrong.
Imho I believe MP will receive the support he wants although progress will be
slower but more sustainable than under NC. I feel MP is loyal and will want to
see his work in progress come to fruition.
However, we will have to wait for the summer for all this to be resolved so
will just have to be patient.In the meantime get behind the team and show
our support for the Board and MP.
I think MP wants to stay and will do so providing he is happy with the support he receives from the Board.From what KL has said she has a vision for the Club and is certainly taking an active interest in managing the Club.When KL took over I admit I doubted her committment but she has proved me wrong. Imho I believe MP will receive the support he wants although progress will be slower but more sustainable than under NC. I feel MP is loyal and will want to see his work in progress come to fruition. However, we will have to wait for the summer for all this to be resolved so will just have to be patient.In the meantime get behind the team and show our support for the Board and MP. saintmac
  • Score: 6

10:19am Tue 8 Apr 14

There's only one 'H' in 'Ampshire says...

No.
Next question please
No. Next question please There's only one 'H' in 'Ampshire
  • Score: 7

10:28am Tue 8 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

A lot may depend upon how he gets on with the new set up.If he did take the retrograde step of going to the Spuds he would be taking a vey big risk with his future For a start there is Daniel Levy who likes to interfere and control. Poch would not stand for that. In addition he would be inheriting a different type of squad. MoPo needs a young and united squad to play his style of football, as the work rate has to be so very high. He has that here with more youth coming through as well. I'm sure he's intelligent enough to know that there may have to be some limited movement of players. If Luke Shaw, for instance, was sold for £25-£30 million and he was given the cash to improve the squad, then would he be happy with that? Who knows. If you want to believe the press or our one particular pet fool then feel free. I prefer not to worry about things that may never happen. The club is always greater than any individual. The fact is we are playing Premier League again next year. We will have a manager, hopefully MoPo, and a great side, hopefully consising of our current one plus a few additions, so the future is still very bright.
A lot may depend upon how he gets on with the new set up.If he did take the retrograde step of going to the Spuds he would be taking a vey big risk with his future For a start there is Daniel Levy who likes to interfere and control. Poch would not stand for that. In addition he would be inheriting a different type of squad. MoPo needs a young and united squad to play his style of football, as the work rate has to be so very high. He has that here with more youth coming through as well. I'm sure he's intelligent enough to know that there may have to be some limited movement of players. If Luke Shaw, for instance, was sold for £25-£30 million and he was given the cash to improve the squad, then would he be happy with that? Who knows. If you want to believe the press or our one particular pet fool then feel free. I prefer not to worry about things that may never happen. The club is always greater than any individual. The fact is we are playing Premier League again next year. We will have a manager, hopefully MoPo, and a great side, hopefully consising of our current one plus a few additions, so the future is still very bright. Clever Dick
  • Score: 5

10:30am Tue 8 Apr 14

Confucious says...

Of course it's possible MoPo could be attracted away, but not by Spuds I reckon. They're notoriously quick to fire managers; the director of football seems to choose all the transfer ins and outs; there are real doubts over what will happen as they try to build a new stadium (ie temporary move to Wembley or even Upton Park with consequent financial constraints) - and they are run by a pretty cold looking bunch with no evident emotional commitment to the club. None of this - and especially the personal chemistry - looks right for MoPo compared to Saints with it's strong 'family' commitment.
Of course it's possible MoPo could be attracted away, but not by Spuds I reckon. They're notoriously quick to fire managers; the director of football seems to choose all the transfer ins and outs; there are real doubts over what will happen as they try to build a new stadium (ie temporary move to Wembley or even Upton Park with consequent financial constraints) - and they are run by a pretty cold looking bunch with no evident emotional commitment to the club. None of this - and especially the personal chemistry - looks right for MoPo compared to Saints with it's strong 'family' commitment. Confucious
  • Score: 2

10:37am Tue 8 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintinCanada wrote:
If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.
Yep. Unless the new board at SMS doesn't want to spend any money and would possibly consider selling a player and Levy offered you not only a huge salary but a £100m war chest to push on with.

I've said since their arrival the future of this club depends on how ambitious the new board is. If they are as ambitious as Cortese was then Poch will stay and so will the players who are now so loyal to him.
But how could you last with Levy if you didn't deliver instant success, you could mess your career up in the process because of his impatience. Even with a big salary and a huge war chest I wouldn't fancy Spurs, you don't get time to do the job. And you can't buy your own players.

I think with our board you have consider Cortese's ambition which was fantastic, and we have all benefited from it, may have been beyond the budget the ultimate shareholder wanted to fund. And that is why he is no longer with us. Perhaps our expectations have been falsely raised by a man who was a loose cannon and ignored the direction given to him by the owner?

Whatever the truth is, the vision he sold us is no longer valid and now we have wait for the next one to be presented to us before we can judge how we are likely to fare next season. I hope the new vision is as positive as Cortese's and the board is keeping it's strategy to itself, so when we go into the transfer market prices don't go through the roof. But I have my doubts.
Ok George, you and I can readjust our ambition, we're fans we've been here before.

But MoPo was persuaded to sign for the club by Cortese. Neither of us know what was said in their discussions but we all acknowledged Cortese's ability to sell the clubs ambitions to people. Is it fair to an employee to promise one thing and then just because of a single change of personnel renege on it? Same applies to the players who were persuaded to sign for the club or extend their contracts - if the reasons they all joined/stayed have been removed is that acceptable?

It maybe that the club are just as ambitious, we do not know yet, despite being promised transparency. However, muttering about a £20m debt when running a Premiership Club full of home grown players is not a good indication in my book.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.[/p][/quote]Yep. Unless the new board at SMS doesn't want to spend any money and would possibly consider selling a player and Levy offered you not only a huge salary but a £100m war chest to push on with. I've said since their arrival the future of this club depends on how ambitious the new board is. If they are as ambitious as Cortese was then Poch will stay and so will the players who are now so loyal to him.[/p][/quote]But how could you last with Levy if you didn't deliver instant success, you could mess your career up in the process because of his impatience. Even with a big salary and a huge war chest I wouldn't fancy Spurs, you don't get time to do the job. And you can't buy your own players. I think with our board you have consider Cortese's ambition which was fantastic, and we have all benefited from it, may have been beyond the budget the ultimate shareholder wanted to fund. And that is why he is no longer with us. Perhaps our expectations have been falsely raised by a man who was a loose cannon and ignored the direction given to him by the owner? Whatever the truth is, the vision he sold us is no longer valid and now we have wait for the next one to be presented to us before we can judge how we are likely to fare next season. I hope the new vision is as positive as Cortese's and the board is keeping it's strategy to itself, so when we go into the transfer market prices don't go through the roof. But I have my doubts.[/p][/quote]Ok George, you and I can readjust our ambition, we're fans we've been here before. But MoPo was persuaded to sign for the club by Cortese. Neither of us know what was said in their discussions but we all acknowledged Cortese's ability to sell the clubs ambitions to people. Is it fair to an employee to promise one thing and then just because of a single change of personnel renege on it? Same applies to the players who were persuaded to sign for the club or extend their contracts - if the reasons they all joined/stayed have been removed is that acceptable? It maybe that the club are just as ambitious, we do not know yet, despite being promised transparency. However, muttering about a £20m debt when running a Premiership Club full of home grown players is not a good indication in my book. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -4

10:57am Tue 8 Apr 14

jrod11 says...

Abbey Saint wrote:
jrod11 wrote:
Poch is off for sure then...Shame. UTC
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." - anon
anon is right and there are certainly a few on here.
[quote][p][bold]Abbey Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: Poch is off for sure then...Shame. UTC[/p][/quote]"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." - anon[/p][/quote]anon is right and there are certainly a few on here. jrod11
  • Score: 0

11:24am Tue 8 Apr 14

Norwegian Saint says...

If we had been a little luckier and the 3-2 scores were reversed we would be above them now.
Biggest thing the club can do to move forward is a five year deal for MoPo.
If we had been a little luckier and the 3-2 scores were reversed we would be above them now. Biggest thing the club can do to move forward is a five year deal for MoPo. Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 4

11:41am Tue 8 Apr 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintinCanada wrote:
If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.
Yep. Unless the new board at SMS doesn't want to spend any money and would possibly consider selling a player and Levy offered you not only a huge salary but a £100m war chest to push on with.

I've said since their arrival the future of this club depends on how ambitious the new board is. If they are as ambitious as Cortese was then Poch will stay and so will the players who are now so loyal to him.
But how could you last with Levy if you didn't deliver instant success, you could mess your career up in the process because of his impatience. Even with a big salary and a huge war chest I wouldn't fancy Spurs, you don't get time to do the job. And you can't buy your own players.

I think with our board you have consider Cortese's ambition which was fantastic, and we have all benefited from it, may have been beyond the budget the ultimate shareholder wanted to fund. And that is why he is no longer with us. Perhaps our expectations have been falsely raised by a man who was a loose cannon and ignored the direction given to him by the owner?

Whatever the truth is, the vision he sold us is no longer valid and now we have wait for the next one to be presented to us before we can judge how we are likely to fare next season. I hope the new vision is as positive as Cortese's and the board is keeping it's strategy to itself, so when we go into the transfer market prices don't go through the roof. But I have my doubts.
Ok George, you and I can readjust our ambition, we're fans we've been here before.

But MoPo was persuaded to sign for the club by Cortese. Neither of us know what was said in their discussions but we all acknowledged Cortese's ability to sell the clubs ambitions to people. Is it fair to an employee to promise one thing and then just because of a single change of personnel renege on it? Same applies to the players who were persuaded to sign for the club or extend their contracts - if the reasons they all joined/stayed have been removed is that acceptable?

It maybe that the club are just as ambitious, we do not know yet, despite being promised transparency. However, muttering about a £20m debt when running a Premiership Club full of home grown players is not a good indication in my book.
Decent points Seed. I guess we just have to sit, wait, hope and remain positive that the aspirations of the emotional shareholders (us and all the other supporters and fans) are supported by the ultimate financial shareholder. We shall see. COYR STID.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.[/p][/quote]Yep. Unless the new board at SMS doesn't want to spend any money and would possibly consider selling a player and Levy offered you not only a huge salary but a £100m war chest to push on with. I've said since their arrival the future of this club depends on how ambitious the new board is. If they are as ambitious as Cortese was then Poch will stay and so will the players who are now so loyal to him.[/p][/quote]But how could you last with Levy if you didn't deliver instant success, you could mess your career up in the process because of his impatience. Even with a big salary and a huge war chest I wouldn't fancy Spurs, you don't get time to do the job. And you can't buy your own players. I think with our board you have consider Cortese's ambition which was fantastic, and we have all benefited from it, may have been beyond the budget the ultimate shareholder wanted to fund. And that is why he is no longer with us. Perhaps our expectations have been falsely raised by a man who was a loose cannon and ignored the direction given to him by the owner? Whatever the truth is, the vision he sold us is no longer valid and now we have wait for the next one to be presented to us before we can judge how we are likely to fare next season. I hope the new vision is as positive as Cortese's and the board is keeping it's strategy to itself, so when we go into the transfer market prices don't go through the roof. But I have my doubts.[/p][/quote]Ok George, you and I can readjust our ambition, we're fans we've been here before. But MoPo was persuaded to sign for the club by Cortese. Neither of us know what was said in their discussions but we all acknowledged Cortese's ability to sell the clubs ambitions to people. Is it fair to an employee to promise one thing and then just because of a single change of personnel renege on it? Same applies to the players who were persuaded to sign for the club or extend their contracts - if the reasons they all joined/stayed have been removed is that acceptable? It maybe that the club are just as ambitious, we do not know yet, despite being promised transparency. However, muttering about a £20m debt when running a Premiership Club full of home grown players is not a good indication in my book.[/p][/quote]Decent points Seed. I guess we just have to sit, wait, hope and remain positive that the aspirations of the emotional shareholders (us and all the other supporters and fans) are supported by the ultimate financial shareholder. We shall see. COYR STID. george chivers
  • Score: 4

11:43am Tue 8 Apr 14

right back in the bar says...

MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points. right back in the bar
  • Score: 6

12:00pm Tue 8 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

Whether it's Spurs or another club, losing MoPo will be a big loss, but is unfortunately inevitable. Following last weeks revelations about our financial position, belt tightening is certainly going to happen. If a big club comes calling, offering MoPo not only a big transfer budget but European football, he'll go. If any of our on field talent leaves it will be another incentive for him to up sticks and move club. The guy's done a great job here and anyone who thinks that he won't be on other club's radar are doing him a disservice, as well as being frightfully foolish.
Whether it's Spurs or another club, losing MoPo will be a big loss, but is unfortunately inevitable. Following last weeks revelations about our financial position, belt tightening is certainly going to happen. If a big club comes calling, offering MoPo not only a big transfer budget but European football, he'll go. If any of our on field talent leaves it will be another incentive for him to up sticks and move club. The guy's done a great job here and anyone who thinks that he won't be on other club's radar are doing him a disservice, as well as being frightfully foolish. redandy10
  • Score: -8

12:08pm Tue 8 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

right back in the bar wrote:
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking. redandy10
  • Score: -5

12:30pm Tue 8 Apr 14

CB FRY LIVES says...

Glen Hoddle made the big mistake of leaving Southampton to manage Spurs. .MO PO should stay with a club where he is appreciated by players,staff and fans.
As long as Daniel Levy is chairman of Spurs,the mamanagership of that club is a poisoned chalice.Managers have come and gone there and even managers who have had a modicum of success have been forced out of the door when they have fallen out with egomaniac Levy.
Saints need MO PO and i think at the end of the day MO PO needs a family friendly well run progressive club like Southampton.
Lets cheer the roof of at ST MARYS this weekend chanting MO PO'S name.
3 more points for the SAINTS.Come on lets roar for MO PO,for JAY ROD and for the Super Saints.
COYR
Glen Hoddle made the big mistake of leaving Southampton to manage Spurs. .MO PO should stay with a club where he is appreciated by players,staff and fans. As long as Daniel Levy is chairman of Spurs,the mamanagership of that club is a poisoned chalice.Managers have come and gone there and even managers who have had a modicum of success have been forced out of the door when they have fallen out with egomaniac Levy. Saints need MO PO and i think at the end of the day MO PO needs a family friendly well run progressive club like Southampton. Lets cheer the roof of at ST MARYS this weekend chanting MO PO'S name. 3 more points for the SAINTS.Come on lets roar for MO PO,for JAY ROD and for the Super Saints. COYR CB FRY LIVES
  • Score: 10

12:30pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Little Hitler says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintinCanada wrote:
If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.
Yep. Unless the new board at SMS doesn't want to spend any money and would possibly consider selling a player and Levy offered you not only a huge salary but a £100m war chest to push on with.

I've said since their arrival the future of this club depends on how ambitious the new board is. If they are as ambitious as Cortese was then Poch will stay and so will the players who are now so loyal to him.
But how could you last with Levy if you didn't deliver instant success, you could mess your career up in the process because of his impatience. Even with a big salary and a huge war chest I wouldn't fancy Spurs, you don't get time to do the job. And you can't buy your own players.

I think with our board you have consider Cortese's ambition which was fantastic, and we have all benefited from it, may have been beyond the budget the ultimate shareholder wanted to fund. And that is why he is no longer with us. Perhaps our expectations have been falsely raised by a man who was a loose cannon and ignored the direction given to him by the owner?

Whatever the truth is, the vision he sold us is no longer valid and now we have wait for the next one to be presented to us before we can judge how we are likely to fare next season. I hope the new vision is as positive as Cortese's and the board is keeping it's strategy to itself, so when we go into the transfer market prices don't go through the roof. But I have my doubts.
Ok George, you and I can readjust our ambition, we're fans we've been here before.

But MoPo was persuaded to sign for the club by Cortese. Neither of us know what was said in their discussions but we all acknowledged Cortese's ability to sell the clubs ambitions to people. Is it fair to an employee to promise one thing and then just because of a single change of personnel renege on it? Same applies to the players who were persuaded to sign for the club or extend their contracts - if the reasons they all joined/stayed have been removed is that acceptable?

It maybe that the club are just as ambitious, we do not know yet, despite being promised transparency. However, muttering about a £20m debt when running a Premiership Club full of home grown players is not a good indication in my book.
Interesting comments guys.

To clarify though, I think the reason Cortese left was more a governance (or lack of it) issue rather than an unsustainable masterplan. I think his plan was probably fine but he didn't control it in the correct manner.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.[/p][/quote]Yep. Unless the new board at SMS doesn't want to spend any money and would possibly consider selling a player and Levy offered you not only a huge salary but a £100m war chest to push on with. I've said since their arrival the future of this club depends on how ambitious the new board is. If they are as ambitious as Cortese was then Poch will stay and so will the players who are now so loyal to him.[/p][/quote]But how could you last with Levy if you didn't deliver instant success, you could mess your career up in the process because of his impatience. Even with a big salary and a huge war chest I wouldn't fancy Spurs, you don't get time to do the job. And you can't buy your own players. I think with our board you have consider Cortese's ambition which was fantastic, and we have all benefited from it, may have been beyond the budget the ultimate shareholder wanted to fund. And that is why he is no longer with us. Perhaps our expectations have been falsely raised by a man who was a loose cannon and ignored the direction given to him by the owner? Whatever the truth is, the vision he sold us is no longer valid and now we have wait for the next one to be presented to us before we can judge how we are likely to fare next season. I hope the new vision is as positive as Cortese's and the board is keeping it's strategy to itself, so when we go into the transfer market prices don't go through the roof. But I have my doubts.[/p][/quote]Ok George, you and I can readjust our ambition, we're fans we've been here before. But MoPo was persuaded to sign for the club by Cortese. Neither of us know what was said in their discussions but we all acknowledged Cortese's ability to sell the clubs ambitions to people. Is it fair to an employee to promise one thing and then just because of a single change of personnel renege on it? Same applies to the players who were persuaded to sign for the club or extend their contracts - if the reasons they all joined/stayed have been removed is that acceptable? It maybe that the club are just as ambitious, we do not know yet, despite being promised transparency. However, muttering about a £20m debt when running a Premiership Club full of home grown players is not a good indication in my book.[/p][/quote]Interesting comments guys. To clarify though, I think the reason Cortese left was more a governance (or lack of it) issue rather than an unsustainable masterplan. I think his plan was probably fine but he didn't control it in the correct manner. Little Hitler
  • Score: 6

12:33pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

redandy10 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.
I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said. Rising_Son
  • Score: 2

12:40pm Tue 8 Apr 14

On The Bus says...

All the speculation and press talk with Mo Po not signing a new contract just yet could actually be benificial to us the fans. I'm sure when he does sit down with the board at the end of the season that the board particularly with all the speculation will be desperate for him to sign a contract extention. Mo Po will surely use this to get reassurances on the ambition of the club and push for the budget to sign the two or three players we need to turn the 'should have won's' into the we have won results. Mo Po has a strong hand with all this speculation and will surely use this to ours and his advantage. UTS
All the speculation and press talk with Mo Po not signing a new contract just yet could actually be benificial to us the fans. I'm sure when he does sit down with the board at the end of the season that the board particularly with all the speculation will be desperate for him to sign a contract extention. Mo Po will surely use this to get reassurances on the ambition of the club and push for the budget to sign the two or three players we need to turn the 'should have won's' into the we have won results. Mo Po has a strong hand with all this speculation and will surely use this to ours and his advantage. UTS On The Bus
  • Score: 4

12:40pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Beer Monster says...

Personally I think Spuds should go for Hughton - he deserves a shot with a team that's not in perpetual fear of relegation.

Whatever happens, Pocho would be mad to leave Saints now, given the way things are going.
Personally I think Spuds should go for Hughton - he deserves a shot with a team that's not in perpetual fear of relegation. Whatever happens, Pocho would be mad to leave Saints now, given the way things are going. Beer Monster
  • Score: 4

12:41pm Tue 8 Apr 14

deepheat says...

Of course Spurs are interested in MP, but let's face it if.......and it's a big if........he went to Spurs and before November he lost 4/5 games he would be out of a job. Better add Man Utd, Arsenal, Newcastle, Aston Villa and West Ham to the list of clubs interested in MP as all are going to be looking for new managers in the near future. I don't think MP would want to see another Saints manager coming along and stealing his glory.
Of course Spurs are interested in MP, but let's face it if.......and it's a big if........he went to Spurs and before November he lost 4/5 games he would be out of a job. Better add Man Utd, Arsenal, Newcastle, Aston Villa and West Ham to the list of clubs interested in MP as all are going to be looking for new managers in the near future. I don't think MP would want to see another Saints manager coming along and stealing his glory. deepheat
  • Score: 3

12:44pm Tue 8 Apr 14

CB FRY LIVES says...

If the example of Glen Hoddle doesn't convince MO PO that a move to Tottenham Crapsurs will be a bad move.He should perhaps look to the experience there of his felow Argentinian compatriot, Ossie Ardiles.He was revered at White **** lane as a player but went back there as a manager and was a flop.It seems to me that there has been gross-and we are not talking Christian Gross-mismanagement and constant interfering from the highest boardroom levels ever since the glory glory glory hallelujah days of Bill Nicholson.ALAN SUGAR,TERRY VENABLES,IRVING SCHOLAR,DANIEL LEVY none of these so called business wiz kids have known how to attract and more important how to keep a top notch manager at Spurs.
SO MO PO DO YOURSELF A FAVOUR AND STAY AT ST MARYS.
COYR
If the example of Glen Hoddle doesn't convince MO PO that a move to Tottenham Crapsurs will be a bad move.He should perhaps look to the experience there of his felow Argentinian compatriot, Ossie Ardiles.He was revered at White **** lane as a player but went back there as a manager and was a flop.It seems to me that there has been gross-and we are not talking Christian Gross-mismanagement and constant interfering from the highest boardroom levels ever since the glory glory glory hallelujah days of Bill Nicholson.ALAN SUGAR,TERRY VENABLES,IRVING SCHOLAR,DANIEL LEVY none of these so called business wiz kids have known how to attract and more important how to keep a top notch manager at Spurs. SO MO PO DO YOURSELF A FAVOUR AND STAY AT ST MARYS. COYR CB FRY LIVES
  • Score: 3

12:56pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Littleton-Saint says...

The real challenge is to win The Premiership on an average budget
by developing and managing top young talent. Whilst MoPo has all the right qualities for this template, there are other bosses with similar credentials.
I'd prefer MoPo to stay and continue the good work, but SFC is bigger than any manager. On the player front, Katharina has hinted that decisions have to be made which are right for the club's budget. Selling, say, Luke Shaw for the right sum and longer-term, knock-on deal, could well benefit the team, if this were to strengthen the squad overall on a limited budget. The skill is in managing the situation. Ultimately, I'm grateful to Karharina and am happy to share a balanced and positive future vision for our great club.
The real challenge is to win The Premiership on an average budget by developing and managing top young talent. Whilst MoPo has all the right qualities for this template, there are other bosses with similar credentials. I'd prefer MoPo to stay and continue the good work, but SFC is bigger than any manager. On the player front, Katharina has hinted that decisions have to be made which are right for the club's budget. Selling, say, Luke Shaw for the right sum and longer-term, knock-on deal, could well benefit the team, if this were to strengthen the squad overall on a limited budget. The skill is in managing the situation. Ultimately, I'm grateful to Karharina and am happy to share a balanced and positive future vision for our great club. Littleton-Saint
  • Score: 4

12:56pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Little Hitler says...

Beer Monster wrote:
Personally I think Spuds should go for Hughton - he deserves a shot with a team that's not in perpetual fear of relegation. Whatever happens, Pocho would be mad to leave Saints now, given the way things are going.
I'll happily bet you good money that Houghton doesn't go to Spuds!
[quote][p][bold]Beer Monster[/bold] wrote: Personally I think Spuds should go for Hughton - he deserves a shot with a team that's not in perpetual fear of relegation. Whatever happens, Pocho would be mad to leave Saints now, given the way things are going.[/p][/quote]I'll happily bet you good money that Houghton doesn't go to Spuds! Little Hitler
  • Score: 3

1:00pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

redandy10 wrote:
Whether it's Spurs or another club, losing MoPo will be a big loss, but is unfortunately inevitable. Following last weeks revelations about our financial position, belt tightening is certainly going to happen. If a big club comes calling, offering MoPo not only a big transfer budget but European football, he'll go. If any of our on field talent leaves it will be another incentive for him to up sticks and move club. The guy's done a great job here and anyone who thinks that he won't be on other club's radar are doing him a disservice, as well as being frightfully foolish.
I think you are falling, like so many, for the 'financial revelations' spin. They were last years figures, the revenue went through the roof this year, the bottom team will earn more than Manure did last season winning the bloody title!

The revelations were that we hadn't paid in full for our signings. Just like most player purchases we had spread the payments over a period of time and there is still £20m outstanding. I expect we are still owed money for Oxo.

Also Staplewood was £30m and not £15m. Well without the details it means nothing - it could be mismanagement of the project, it could be changing the scope of the project, it could be that £15m was the build costs and didn't allow for the technology going inside the buildings etc.

Either way we are in a very strong financial position. Google the clubs we compete with and compare our finances to theirs. 5th richest club in the uk was it?
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: Whether it's Spurs or another club, losing MoPo will be a big loss, but is unfortunately inevitable. Following last weeks revelations about our financial position, belt tightening is certainly going to happen. If a big club comes calling, offering MoPo not only a big transfer budget but European football, he'll go. If any of our on field talent leaves it will be another incentive for him to up sticks and move club. The guy's done a great job here and anyone who thinks that he won't be on other club's radar are doing him a disservice, as well as being frightfully foolish.[/p][/quote]I think you are falling, like so many, for the 'financial revelations' spin. They were last years figures, the revenue went through the roof this year, the bottom team will earn more than Manure did last season winning the bloody title! The revelations were that we hadn't paid in full for our signings. Just like most player purchases we had spread the payments over a period of time and there is still £20m outstanding. I expect we are still owed money for Oxo. Also Staplewood was £30m and not £15m. Well without the details it means nothing - it could be mismanagement of the project, it could be changing the scope of the project, it could be that £15m was the build costs and didn't allow for the technology going inside the buildings etc. Either way we are in a very strong financial position. Google the clubs we compete with and compare our finances to theirs. 5th richest club in the uk was it? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 6

1:02pm Tue 8 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Little Hitler wrote:
Beer Monster wrote:
Personally I think Spuds should go for Hughton - he deserves a shot with a team that's not in perpetual fear of relegation. Whatever happens, Pocho would be mad to leave Saints now, given the way things are going.
I'll happily bet you good money that Houghton doesn't go to Spuds!
.. that's cheating, you would win hands down, Hughton however, could but that is unlikely.
[quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beer Monster[/bold] wrote: Personally I think Spuds should go for Hughton - he deserves a shot with a team that's not in perpetual fear of relegation. Whatever happens, Pocho would be mad to leave Saints now, given the way things are going.[/p][/quote]I'll happily bet you good money that Houghton doesn't go to Spuds![/p][/quote].. that's cheating, you would win hands down, Hughton however, could but that is unlikely. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

1:04pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Littleton-Saint wrote:
The real challenge is to win The Premiership on an average budget
by developing and managing top young talent. Whilst MoPo has all the right qualities for this template, there are other bosses with similar credentials.
I'd prefer MoPo to stay and continue the good work, but SFC is bigger than any manager. On the player front, Katharina has hinted that decisions have to be made which are right for the club's budget. Selling, say, Luke Shaw for the right sum and longer-term, knock-on deal, could well benefit the team, if this were to strengthen the squad overall on a limited budget. The skill is in managing the situation. Ultimately, I'm grateful to Karharina and am happy to share a balanced and positive future vision for our great club.
Nice argument but what if selling Luke has a knock on to players like Clyne, Chambers, Adam etc and they feel it might be time to leave? It might send a message to them that we are not ambitious. I don't know how old you are but we last had this chance in 92/93 when Flowers, Kenna and Shearer went to Blackburn who promptly won the title. Had they stayed, together with Matty and others, and had we invested we could have won the title.
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: The real challenge is to win The Premiership on an average budget by developing and managing top young talent. Whilst MoPo has all the right qualities for this template, there are other bosses with similar credentials. I'd prefer MoPo to stay and continue the good work, but SFC is bigger than any manager. On the player front, Katharina has hinted that decisions have to be made which are right for the club's budget. Selling, say, Luke Shaw for the right sum and longer-term, knock-on deal, could well benefit the team, if this were to strengthen the squad overall on a limited budget. The skill is in managing the situation. Ultimately, I'm grateful to Karharina and am happy to share a balanced and positive future vision for our great club.[/p][/quote]Nice argument but what if selling Luke has a knock on to players like Clyne, Chambers, Adam etc and they feel it might be time to leave? It might send a message to them that we are not ambitious. I don't know how old you are but we last had this chance in 92/93 when Flowers, Kenna and Shearer went to Blackburn who promptly won the title. Had they stayed, together with Matty and others, and had we invested we could have won the title. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

1:08pm Tue 8 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.
I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.
His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August!
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.[/p][/quote]His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August! redandy10
  • Score: -1

1:12pm Tue 8 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

If Louis van Gaal doesn't find any problems with the small print he will be straight in to the job, he has made it clear he actually wants it.
If Louis van Gaal doesn't find any problems with the small print he will be straight in to the job, he has made it clear he actually wants it. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

1:22pm Tue 8 Apr 14

SaintJD says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
If we had been a little luckier and the 3-2 scores were reversed we would be above them now.
Biggest thing the club can do to move forward is a five year deal for MoPo.
I take your point, but it isn't luck. I've seen a lot of Spurs this season and frankly it is unbelievable they are above us and in the European picture. Even last night they were poor until the last 20 minutes.

However, that's not luck, it's just the ability to grind out results with quality. Yeah, they've made lots of individual errors like us, but while we lose games in 10-minute spells in games where we go to pieces, they win games through short spells of quality.

In short, there is very little difference between us and the top six sides, bar that little bit of quality in goal, central defence and up front. Plus we need cover in those three positions. Other than that, we're a top six side.

Sad thing is that, bar Eriksen, Spurs are winning matches with very old fashioned, uncomplicated and unpretty elements - very average wingers who have a bit of pace but little control and a pretty functional striker who scores most of his goals off his knee or chest. Still, gets the job done.

I'd hate to see us play like them, but it shows we don't need much to be better than them.
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: If we had been a little luckier and the 3-2 scores were reversed we would be above them now. Biggest thing the club can do to move forward is a five year deal for MoPo.[/p][/quote]I take your point, but it isn't luck. I've seen a lot of Spurs this season and frankly it is unbelievable they are above us and in the European picture. Even last night they were poor until the last 20 minutes. However, that's not luck, it's just the ability to grind out results with quality. Yeah, they've made lots of individual errors like us, but while we lose games in 10-minute spells in games where we go to pieces, they win games through short spells of quality. In short, there is very little difference between us and the top six sides, bar that little bit of quality in goal, central defence and up front. Plus we need cover in those three positions. Other than that, we're a top six side. Sad thing is that, bar Eriksen, Spurs are winning matches with very old fashioned, uncomplicated and unpretty elements - very average wingers who have a bit of pace but little control and a pretty functional striker who scores most of his goals off his knee or chest. Still, gets the job done. I'd hate to see us play like them, but it shows we don't need much to be better than them. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

1:24pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Jan28th1984 says...

Good for Poch! It's nice to be wanted - lol. I hope he stays but it isn't a problem if he goes..............we will hire van Gaal.
Good for Poch! It's nice to be wanted - lol. I hope he stays but it isn't a problem if he goes..............we will hire van Gaal. Jan28th1984
  • Score: -1

1:27pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.
I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.
His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August!
In order to know whether we have overspent or not, it is necessary to know what the original budget was. Apart from Staplewood, 15 million over initial estimate, what evidence have you got of overspend? Also, given our likely income this year, around 100 million I believe, is the Staplewood 'loss' such a huge problem?

I don't know the answers to these questions, but I'm not going to work myself into a depression by imagining the worst.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.[/p][/quote]His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August![/p][/quote]In order to know whether we have overspent or not, it is necessary to know what the original budget was. Apart from Staplewood, 15 million over initial estimate, what evidence have you got of overspend? Also, given our likely income this year, around 100 million I believe, is the Staplewood 'loss' such a huge problem? I don't know the answers to these questions, but I'm not going to work myself into a depression by imagining the worst. Rising_Son
  • Score: 2

1:27pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Costa Baz says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintinCanada wrote: If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.
Yep. Unless the new board at SMS doesn't want to spend any money and would possibly consider selling a player and Levy offered you not only a huge salary but a £100m war chest to push on with. I've said since their arrival the future of this club depends on how ambitious the new board is. If they are as ambitious as Cortese was then Poch will stay and so will the players who are now so loyal to him.
Do you honestly think Levy will spend as much, this summer, as he did last year?
My take on him flashing the cash, last summer, was to appease the Spurs fans, following the sale of Gareth Bale, which largely funded that expenditure.
MP keeps repeating his desire not to talk about his future, until the season has ended, and has also stated that he will then sit down with the board and discuss how they want to take the team forward.
Yes he came here on the back of Cortese's dream, but part of Cortese's dream was for the club to succeed, whilst being self sustaining.
MP will be aware of this, so should expect times when there will be money available to build, provided by income, and other times when the money will have to be generated by selling players.
This is football. This is business.
Krueger has already stated that they are looking at revenue streams that will enable us to keep our best players, and only sell those the manager wants to sell. Doesn't that show they still have ambition?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.[/p][/quote]Yep. Unless the new board at SMS doesn't want to spend any money and would possibly consider selling a player and Levy offered you not only a huge salary but a £100m war chest to push on with. I've said since their arrival the future of this club depends on how ambitious the new board is. If they are as ambitious as Cortese was then Poch will stay and so will the players who are now so loyal to him.[/p][/quote]Do you honestly think Levy will spend as much, this summer, as he did last year? My take on him flashing the cash, last summer, was to appease the Spurs fans, following the sale of Gareth Bale, which largely funded that expenditure. MP keeps repeating his desire not to talk about his future, until the season has ended, and has also stated that he will then sit down with the board and discuss how they want to take the team forward. Yes he came here on the back of Cortese's dream, but part of Cortese's dream was for the club to succeed, whilst being self sustaining. MP will be aware of this, so should expect times when there will be money available to build, provided by income, and other times when the money will have to be generated by selling players. This is football. This is business. Krueger has already stated that they are looking at revenue streams that will enable us to keep our best players, and only sell those the manager wants to sell. Doesn't that show they still have ambition? Costa Baz
  • Score: 2

1:33pm Tue 8 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Whether it's Spurs or another club, losing MoPo will be a big loss, but is unfortunately inevitable. Following last weeks revelations about our financial position, belt tightening is certainly going to happen. If a big club comes calling, offering MoPo not only a big transfer budget but European football, he'll go. If any of our on field talent leaves it will be another incentive for him to up sticks and move club. The guy's done a great job here and anyone who thinks that he won't be on other club's radar are doing him a disservice, as well as being frightfully foolish.
I think you are falling, like so many, for the 'financial revelations' spin. They were last years figures, the revenue went through the roof this year, the bottom team will earn more than Manure did last season winning the bloody title!

The revelations were that we hadn't paid in full for our signings. Just like most player purchases we had spread the payments over a period of time and there is still £20m outstanding. I expect we are still owed money for Oxo.

Also Staplewood was £30m and not £15m. Well without the details it means nothing - it could be mismanagement of the project, it could be changing the scope of the project, it could be that £15m was the build costs and didn't allow for the technology going inside the buildings etc.

Either way we are in a very strong financial position. Google the clubs we compete with and compare our finances to theirs. 5th richest club in the uk was it?
I agree that we have no financial concerns, but I think that Nicola and Kat falling out over the running of the club probably was down to, in some part, our spending. And more to the point Nicola having final say over transfer policy. I'm not saying Kat wants to sell our talent, far from it, she and family want success for the club, but this lot didn't go to the Peter Risdale School of football chairmanship. The spending will be tightly controlled and following the buying of that prat Dani, she'll be more cautious when green lighting those kind of transfers. Look at Victor, he really hasn't lived up to the price tag, although was improving. Between those two we're talking £28 million odd. Will Juve or anyone else stump up big money for a player like Dani, who couldn't hack it in the Premiership and has a more than questionable attitude. In short he's a git! You seem to have a good handle on our financial position, and I hope you are a right!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: Whether it's Spurs or another club, losing MoPo will be a big loss, but is unfortunately inevitable. Following last weeks revelations about our financial position, belt tightening is certainly going to happen. If a big club comes calling, offering MoPo not only a big transfer budget but European football, he'll go. If any of our on field talent leaves it will be another incentive for him to up sticks and move club. The guy's done a great job here and anyone who thinks that he won't be on other club's radar are doing him a disservice, as well as being frightfully foolish.[/p][/quote]I think you are falling, like so many, for the 'financial revelations' spin. They were last years figures, the revenue went through the roof this year, the bottom team will earn more than Manure did last season winning the bloody title! The revelations were that we hadn't paid in full for our signings. Just like most player purchases we had spread the payments over a period of time and there is still £20m outstanding. I expect we are still owed money for Oxo. Also Staplewood was £30m and not £15m. Well without the details it means nothing - it could be mismanagement of the project, it could be changing the scope of the project, it could be that £15m was the build costs and didn't allow for the technology going inside the buildings etc. Either way we are in a very strong financial position. Google the clubs we compete with and compare our finances to theirs. 5th richest club in the uk was it?[/p][/quote]I agree that we have no financial concerns, but I think that Nicola and Kat falling out over the running of the club probably was down to, in some part, our spending. And more to the point Nicola having final say over transfer policy. I'm not saying Kat wants to sell our talent, far from it, she and family want success for the club, but this lot didn't go to the Peter Risdale School of football chairmanship. The spending will be tightly controlled and following the buying of that prat Dani, she'll be more cautious when green lighting those kind of transfers. Look at Victor, he really hasn't lived up to the price tag, although was improving. Between those two we're talking £28 million odd. Will Juve or anyone else stump up big money for a player like Dani, who couldn't hack it in the Premiership and has a more than questionable attitude. In short he's a git! You seem to have a good handle on our financial position, and I hope you are a right! redandy10
  • Score: 0

1:38pm Tue 8 Apr 14

SaintJD says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.
I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.
His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August!
So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall?

Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP).

I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave.

It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players.

With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over.

MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it.

Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project.

Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.[/p][/quote]His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August![/p][/quote]So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall? Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP). I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave. It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players. With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over. MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it. Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project. Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

1:38pm Tue 8 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
To be honest he's contracted until the end of next season, if he wants to go (we all know contract mean nothing) then he'll go, if he honestly believes Spuds are a better option than Saints good luck to him, personally I feel he's done a great job, but there are some really good managers available. Michael Laudrup, and of course Louis Van Gaal another Spuds favourite.
To me this is a very difficult thing to analyse, I guess the current Contract could be used to stop him going, if the Club were that way inclined, but that would be shooting themselves in the foot because a Manager that doesn't want to manage is likely to be disruptive and of no use, so an agreement would have to be met financially. Silly money could influence a decision, but being rich and out of a job very quickly if things don't meet the new owners standards has to be taken into the equation. MP has relative security here, he is unlikely to be sacked in the near future and there is still an ongoing project to fulfil. The main personell may have changed but has there been a lessening of ambition? If we are regarded as being in financial difficulty, then there must be some desperate people running the teams below us. My judgement will always be guided by my predjudices towards the Club, but it is easy to be misguided in these circumstances and reading beatween the lines can cloud the issue. My gut instinct says MP will stay, my desire is for him to do so, my crystal ball simply doesn't tell me anything. Football, funny old game isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: To be honest he's contracted until the end of next season, if he wants to go (we all know contract mean nothing) then he'll go, if he honestly believes Spuds are a better option than Saints good luck to him, personally I feel he's done a great job, but there are some really good managers available. Michael Laudrup, and of course Louis Van Gaal another Spuds favourite.[/p][/quote]To me this is a very difficult thing to analyse, I guess the current Contract could be used to stop him going, if the Club were that way inclined, but that would be shooting themselves in the foot because a Manager that doesn't want to manage is likely to be disruptive and of no use, so an agreement would have to be met financially. Silly money could influence a decision, but being rich and out of a job very quickly if things don't meet the new owners standards has to be taken into the equation. MP has relative security here, he is unlikely to be sacked in the near future and there is still an ongoing project to fulfil. The main personell may have changed but has there been a lessening of ambition? If we are regarded as being in financial difficulty, then there must be some desperate people running the teams below us. My judgement will always be guided by my predjudices towards the Club, but it is easy to be misguided in these circumstances and reading beatween the lines can cloud the issue. My gut instinct says MP will stay, my desire is for him to do so, my crystal ball simply doesn't tell me anything. Football, funny old game isn't it? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

1:48pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Littleton-Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
The real challenge is to win The Premiership on an average budget
by developing and managing top young talent. Whilst MoPo has all the right qualities for this template, there are other bosses with similar credentials.
I'd prefer MoPo to stay and continue the good work, but SFC is bigger than any manager. On the player front, Katharina has hinted that decisions have to be made which are right for the club's budget. Selling, say, Luke Shaw for the right sum and longer-term, knock-on deal, could well benefit the team, if this were to strengthen the squad overall on a limited budget. The skill is in managing the situation. Ultimately, I'm grateful to Karharina and am happy to share a balanced and positive future vision for our great club.
Nice argument but what if selling Luke has a knock on to players like Clyne, Chambers, Adam etc and they feel it might be time to leave? It might send a message to them that we are not ambitious. I don't know how old you are but we last had this chance in 92/93 when Flowers, Kenna and Shearer went to Blackburn who promptly won the title. Had they stayed, together with Matty and others, and had we invested we could have won the title.
I'd prefer Shaw to stay and for us to spend another £30m (wisely) in the summer and push on. I'm just trying to read between the lines from what Katharina has said. I would not be surprised to see some cash released
through a player sale. This summer should show us whether or not the current Board has any real ambition to match Cortese's.
So far, Katharina's statements have exercised caution and temperance -
this may prove good for us in the longer term even if we tread water for a while. I think MoPo wants to see some clear vision and leadership for Saints from The Board - I suspect that this is more important than any finer contract details. The Board members will gain my full respect when they set out this vision more clearly and desist from hiding behind cleverly-worded statements of little substance! Whatever, though, COYR.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: The real challenge is to win The Premiership on an average budget by developing and managing top young talent. Whilst MoPo has all the right qualities for this template, there are other bosses with similar credentials. I'd prefer MoPo to stay and continue the good work, but SFC is bigger than any manager. On the player front, Katharina has hinted that decisions have to be made which are right for the club's budget. Selling, say, Luke Shaw for the right sum and longer-term, knock-on deal, could well benefit the team, if this were to strengthen the squad overall on a limited budget. The skill is in managing the situation. Ultimately, I'm grateful to Karharina and am happy to share a balanced and positive future vision for our great club.[/p][/quote]Nice argument but what if selling Luke has a knock on to players like Clyne, Chambers, Adam etc and they feel it might be time to leave? It might send a message to them that we are not ambitious. I don't know how old you are but we last had this chance in 92/93 when Flowers, Kenna and Shearer went to Blackburn who promptly won the title. Had they stayed, together with Matty and others, and had we invested we could have won the title.[/p][/quote]I'd prefer Shaw to stay and for us to spend another £30m (wisely) in the summer and push on. I'm just trying to read between the lines from what Katharina has said. I would not be surprised to see some cash released through a player sale. This summer should show us whether or not the current Board has any real ambition to match Cortese's. So far, Katharina's statements have exercised caution and temperance - this may prove good for us in the longer term even if we tread water for a while. I think MoPo wants to see some clear vision and leadership for Saints from The Board - I suspect that this is more important than any finer contract details. The Board members will gain my full respect when they set out this vision more clearly and desist from hiding behind cleverly-worded statements of little substance! Whatever, though, COYR. Littleton-Saint
  • Score: 0

1:51pm Tue 8 Apr 14

circa 66 saint says...

Bl00dy newspapers have got it wrong again, our terrific manager should not be second favourite to go to spurs he should be head and shoulders in front as the odds on favourite.
Hopefully he will see that the job here will be more of a challenge and is work in progress, because we have yet to reach our full potential ( I hope ).
Bl00dy newspapers have got it wrong again, our terrific manager should not be second favourite to go to spurs he should be head and shoulders in front as the odds on favourite. Hopefully he will see that the job here will be more of a challenge and is work in progress, because we have yet to reach our full potential ( I hope ). circa 66 saint
  • Score: 1

1:52pm Tue 8 Apr 14

SaintJD says...

right back in the bar wrote:
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
By the way, totally agree with you on all your points and, if I were Barcelona with a transfer embargo for next season I know who I'd be contacting.

When you have a manager of our quality you have to realistically understand that he will be in demand and, during the first half at Spurs, I was actually beginning to worry at the advert we were sending out to Daniel Levy as we completely played them off the park with young talent vs £100m+ of investment.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.[/p][/quote]By the way, totally agree with you on all your points and, if I were Barcelona with a transfer embargo for next season I know who I'd be contacting. When you have a manager of our quality you have to realistically understand that he will be in demand and, during the first half at Spurs, I was actually beginning to worry at the advert we were sending out to Daniel Levy as we completely played them off the park with young talent vs £100m+ of investment. SaintJD
  • Score: -1

1:55pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Cortese didn't say much but the little he did included words and phrases like 'vision' 'europe' 'top four' 'champions league'.

The new lot seem to be using words like 'awkward' 'financial' 'diffculty' 'sustainable' .

I'm not saying they are wrong, after all we don't want to do a 'portsmouth' but also we should recognise that opportunities like these don't come about very often. We have 4 or 5 players that would grace any Prem side so do we sell or do we add?

If we don't do it now when do we?
Cortese didn't say much but the little he did included words and phrases like 'vision' 'europe' 'top four' 'champions league'. The new lot seem to be using words like 'awkward' 'financial' 'diffculty' 'sustainable' . I'm not saying they are wrong, after all we don't want to do a 'portsmouth' but also we should recognise that opportunities like these don't come about very often. We have 4 or 5 players that would grace any Prem side so do we sell or do we add? If we don't do it now when do we? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -2

1:59pm Tue 8 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.
I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.
His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August!
So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall?

Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP).

I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave.

It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players.

With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over.

MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it.

Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project.

Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.
What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season.

When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers!

Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash?

All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.[/p][/quote]His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August![/p][/quote]So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall? Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP). I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave. It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players. With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over. MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it. Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project. Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.[/p][/quote]What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season. When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers! Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash? All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven? redandy10
  • Score: 0

2:04pm Tue 8 Apr 14

arfer phesache says...

MoPo will sign a new contract, just before next years season tickets go on sale. And he already has assurances that nobody leaves unless he says so. And if we finish eighth, the prize money will more than cover any monies owed, Plus some fringe players will leave in the summer freeing up more funds. The new board are no mugs so they will using every situation to maximise the clubs income.....imo !
MoPo will sign a new contract, just before next years season tickets go on sale. And he already has assurances that nobody leaves unless he says so. And if we finish eighth, the prize money will more than cover any monies owed, Plus some fringe players will leave in the summer freeing up more funds. The new board are no mugs so they will using every situation to maximise the clubs income.....imo ! arfer phesache
  • Score: 5

2:11pm Tue 8 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Cortese didn't say much but the little he did included words and phrases like 'vision' 'europe' 'top four' 'champions league'.

The new lot seem to be using words like 'awkward' 'financial' 'diffculty' 'sustainable' .

I'm not saying they are wrong, after all we don't want to do a 'portsmouth' but also we should recognise that opportunities like these don't come about very often. We have 4 or 5 players that would grace any Prem side so do we sell or do we add?

If we don't do it now when do we?
TOTALLY AGREE!!! You have completely hit the nail on the head. The language has changed since Nicola left, and reading between the lines it reeks of belt tightening. And I'm not criticising KAT for that, they have invested a tremendous amount in transfers and we got the brilliant Lovren, the tremendous talent that is Clyne and a blossoming talent in Jay. And as you say there will be no better time than now to take the next step.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Cortese didn't say much but the little he did included words and phrases like 'vision' 'europe' 'top four' 'champions league'. The new lot seem to be using words like 'awkward' 'financial' 'diffculty' 'sustainable' . I'm not saying they are wrong, after all we don't want to do a 'portsmouth' but also we should recognise that opportunities like these don't come about very often. We have 4 or 5 players that would grace any Prem side so do we sell or do we add? If we don't do it now when do we?[/p][/quote]TOTALLY AGREE!!! You have completely hit the nail on the head. The language has changed since Nicola left, and reading between the lines it reeks of belt tightening. And I'm not criticising KAT for that, they have invested a tremendous amount in transfers and we got the brilliant Lovren, the tremendous talent that is Clyne and a blossoming talent in Jay. And as you say there will be no better time than now to take the next step. redandy10
  • Score: 1

2:13pm Tue 8 Apr 14

ghk230473 says...

To start with I'm glad cortèse is no longer CEO, what ever he promised mopo wasn't his to promise. Kat is showing an interest, cortèse and Kat for whatever reason couldn't see eye to eye. When that happens there is only going to be 1 winner and that is the 1 with the money.
The only question is how much does she want to invest? She won't want to risk losing value of what club is at present, I don't think she is daft. The main ingredient to keeping mopo is good communication and clear explanation of how and where we take the club. If we could I'd love to keep hold of players, shaw is certainly made sense when he's said that he's happy, getting games and wants to play with his friends in team now and those in the accademy. If he doesn't want to go I'd keep him no matter what money was offered, his value can only increase.
A clear indication of how ambitious the new board is will become clear in the summer, I expect mopo has an inkling now of what they are like and knows what he'll do. The idea has always to almost run self sufficient which I agree with, rather plod along under our own steam than take a risk and end up where we were!
To start with I'm glad cortèse is no longer CEO, what ever he promised mopo wasn't his to promise. Kat is showing an interest, cortèse and Kat for whatever reason couldn't see eye to eye. When that happens there is only going to be 1 winner and that is the 1 with the money. The only question is how much does she want to invest? She won't want to risk losing value of what club is at present, I don't think she is daft. The main ingredient to keeping mopo is good communication and clear explanation of how and where we take the club. If we could I'd love to keep hold of players, shaw is certainly made sense when he's said that he's happy, getting games and wants to play with his friends in team now and those in the accademy. If he doesn't want to go I'd keep him no matter what money was offered, his value can only increase. A clear indication of how ambitious the new board is will become clear in the summer, I expect mopo has an inkling now of what they are like and knows what he'll do. The idea has always to almost run self sufficient which I agree with, rather plod along under our own steam than take a risk and end up where we were! ghk230473
  • Score: 0

2:13pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Jan28th1984 says...

It's not a problem if he goes to Spurs or anywhere. It's never a problem if anyone who wants to go goes. SFC does not want anyone who does not want to be here.

However, Poch has said everything right so far, and reading between the lines I get the feeling he feels he is halfway through a project. It looks like he is waiting for a sit-down with his staff and the top brass to decide exactly what the club's long-term goals are, but he won't do this or even talk about it until the time is right.
He was stuffed at Espanol for years and years when the squads he built were sold from underneath him but didn't show disloyalty to them then and I doubt he will show disloyalty to us now - he doesn't strike me as the type who will disappear, at least before his contract is up.

So calm down everyone, take a powder and let the tabloids write their nonsense. In this day and age I can hardly believe there are still people who see a banner headline and think it's true.
It's not a problem if he goes to Spurs or anywhere. It's never a problem if anyone who wants to go goes. SFC does not want anyone who does not want to be here. However, Poch has said everything right so far, and reading between the lines I get the feeling he feels he is halfway through a project. It looks like he is waiting for a sit-down with his staff and the top brass to decide exactly what the club's long-term goals are, but he won't do this or even talk about it until the time is right. He was stuffed at Espanol for years and years when the squads he built were sold from underneath him but didn't show disloyalty to them then and I doubt he will show disloyalty to us now - he doesn't strike me as the type who will disappear, at least before his contract is up. So calm down everyone, take a powder and let the tabloids write their nonsense. In this day and age I can hardly believe there are still people who see a banner headline and think it's true. Jan28th1984
  • Score: 1

2:13pm Tue 8 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

redandy10 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.
I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.
His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August!
So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall?

Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP).

I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave.

It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players.

With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over.

MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it.

Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project.

Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.
What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season.

When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers!

Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash?

All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?
I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run?
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.[/p][/quote]His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August![/p][/quote]So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall? Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP). I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave. It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players. With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over. MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it. Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project. Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.[/p][/quote]What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season. When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers! Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash? All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?[/p][/quote]I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

2:21pm Tue 8 Apr 14

SaintJD says...

redandy10 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.
I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.
His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August!
So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall?

Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP).

I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave.

It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players.

With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over.

MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it.

Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project.

Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.
What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season.

When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers!

Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash?

All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?
Yeah, that's the big question. To be honest, if this summer doesn't have any disappointments or things to enrage us it will be a first. Even under NC he still managed to disrupt things even when we thought we were sailing along nicely. Even though I questioned the need to spend big, I'd like to think Victor and possibly even Gaston can come good for us (although I think bar the odd glimpse Gaston is less likely).

I wasn't one of them, but I know a lot of people thought J-Rod was a big waste of money last season (and that Adam was clearly not Premier League class) and look what happened there.

Ironically, the J-Rod injury may give Sam Gallagher a chance to make his case before we strengthen that area.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.[/p][/quote]His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August![/p][/quote]So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall? Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP). I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave. It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players. With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over. MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it. Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project. Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.[/p][/quote]What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season. When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers! Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash? All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?[/p][/quote]Yeah, that's the big question. To be honest, if this summer doesn't have any disappointments or things to enrage us it will be a first. Even under NC he still managed to disrupt things even when we thought we were sailing along nicely. Even though I questioned the need to spend big, I'd like to think Victor and possibly even Gaston can come good for us (although I think bar the odd glimpse Gaston is less likely). I wasn't one of them, but I know a lot of people thought J-Rod was a big waste of money last season (and that Adam was clearly not Premier League class) and look what happened there. Ironically, the J-Rod injury may give Sam Gallagher a chance to make his case before we strengthen that area. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

2:32pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

redandy10 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.
I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.
His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August!
So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall?

Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP).

I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave.

It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players.

With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over.

MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it.

Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project.

Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.
What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season.

When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers!

Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash?

All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?
You must live in a strange world of wilfull exaggeration. Yoshida was about £3 mill and Ramirez about £12 mill. That doesn't add up to £20 million. And Victor 'hasn't shown up yet'. He was a regular when our defence was at its tightest!

And suddenly, after worrying about overspend, you want us to splash out £32 million! How many seats will that get us and how long will it take to pay it back at £35-40 per match?
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.[/p][/quote]His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August![/p][/quote]So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall? Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP). I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave. It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players. With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over. MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it. Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project. Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.[/p][/quote]What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season. When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers! Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash? All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?[/p][/quote]You must live in a strange world of wilfull exaggeration. Yoshida was about £3 mill and Ramirez about £12 mill. That doesn't add up to £20 million. And Victor 'hasn't shown up yet'. He was a regular when our defence was at its tightest! And suddenly, after worrying about overspend, you want us to splash out £32 million! How many seats will that get us and how long will it take to pay it back at £35-40 per match? Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

2:41pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Jan28th1984 says...

£32,000,000 to pay for 8,000 seats.

Assuming full occupancy of those seats = 8000 x £35 = £280,000.

£32,000,000 divided by £280,000 = 114.28 games.

114.28 divided by 19 (home league games per season) = 6.01 seasons.
£32,000,000 to pay for 8,000 seats. Assuming full occupancy of those seats = 8000 x £35 = £280,000. £32,000,000 divided by £280,000 = 114.28 games. 114.28 divided by 19 (home league games per season) = 6.01 seasons. Jan28th1984
  • Score: -2

2:41pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

The trouble is we made a bit of a gaff with our incoming transfers. Most agreed we needed another centre back, play maker and forward to really challenge. Well we signed them - Forren, Gaston and Dani. One didn't kick a ball before being returned, one shows glimmers and the other is a knob. If we could swap those signings for proper ones we wouldn't really need too much - maybe a top goal keeper would have been this summers only target with a budget under £10m.
The trouble is we made a bit of a gaff with our incoming transfers. Most agreed we needed another centre back, play maker and forward to really challenge. Well we signed them - Forren, Gaston and Dani. One didn't kick a ball before being returned, one shows glimmers and the other is a knob. If we could swap those signings for proper ones we wouldn't really need too much - maybe a top goal keeper would have been this summers only target with a budget under £10m. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

3:05pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Little Hitler says...

Jan28th1984 wrote:
£32,000,000 to pay for 8,000 seats. Assuming full occupancy of those seats = 8000 x £35 = £280,000. £32,000,000 divided by £280,000 = 114.28 games. 114.28 divided by 19 (home league games per season) = 6.01 seasons.
Yes but the reality is that we don't currently sell out most games and would probably only fill 8,000 extra seats for about 6 games a season.

I reckon you're looking at closer to 20 years to pay that off unless we start drawing more fans in (possible, but not a given).
[quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: £32,000,000 to pay for 8,000 seats. Assuming full occupancy of those seats = 8000 x £35 = £280,000. £32,000,000 divided by £280,000 = 114.28 games. 114.28 divided by 19 (home league games per season) = 6.01 seasons.[/p][/quote]Yes but the reality is that we don't currently sell out most games and would probably only fill 8,000 extra seats for about 6 games a season. I reckon you're looking at closer to 20 years to pay that off unless we start drawing more fans in (possible, but not a given). Little Hitler
  • Score: 1

3:07pm Tue 8 Apr 14

warrens 76 says...

I live in Switzerland and I know the mindset, unfortunately you can cut it any way you like but here everything comes down to money…Marcus was German and moved the company base to Switzerland but the passion and motivation was Germanic and they are not exactly shabby at business OR football as for passion…they have it in spades.

The Swiss mentality is completely different, big money is made by important families owning cosy cartels, free competition as we know it is frowned upon, Johnny come latelys rarely succeed indeed it is a little like the upper echelons of freemasonry.

For all those looking for clues and intent by the board think Swiss and you will know were we are going…does it make a profit, how can we benefit, billionaires or not I do not envisage Katerina becoming an Abromovitch, Mansour etc it would go against every grain in her upbringing.

If you look at the total money invested into Saints against what Chelsea, Citeh, Liverpool, Mufco, Spuds have spent you will see that it actually is not that much..no seriously against a wealth of billions it really is not…the fact that the board are talking about awkward situations and living within our means when the family is already sat on a huge potential profit is concerning, no other team have in recent years come so far and been in such a good financial position in the process…that fellow fans is alarming.
I live in Switzerland and I know the mindset, unfortunately you can cut it any way you like but here everything comes down to money…Marcus was German and moved the company base to Switzerland but the passion and motivation was Germanic and they are not exactly shabby at business OR football as for passion…they have it in spades. The Swiss mentality is completely different, big money is made by important families owning cosy cartels, free competition as we know it is frowned upon, Johnny come latelys rarely succeed indeed it is a little like the upper echelons of freemasonry. For all those looking for clues and intent by the board think Swiss and you will know were we are going…does it make a profit, how can we benefit, billionaires or not I do not envisage Katerina becoming an Abromovitch, Mansour etc it would go against every grain in her upbringing. If you look at the total money invested into Saints against what Chelsea, Citeh, Liverpool, Mufco, Spuds have spent you will see that it actually is not that much..no seriously against a wealth of billions it really is not…the fact that the board are talking about awkward situations and living within our means when the family is already sat on a huge potential profit is concerning, no other team have in recent years come so far and been in such a good financial position in the process…that fellow fans is alarming. warrens 76
  • Score: 1

3:15pm Tue 8 Apr 14

st1halo says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Cortese didn't say much but the little he did included words and phrases like 'vision' 'europe' 'top four' 'champions league'.

The new lot seem to be using words like 'awkward' 'financial' 'diffculty' 'sustainable' .

I'm not saying they are wrong, after all we don't want to do a 'portsmouth' but also we should recognise that opportunities like these don't come about very often. We have 4 or 5 players that would grace any Prem side so do we sell or do we add?

If we don't do it now when do we?
I thnk the vision is the same and I'd like to think the reason the vocabulary is different is because NC and KL have a different approach. NC likes to appeal to the ambition in people without doubt and his vision will stir the heart. KL is appealing to the financially cautious, providng the reassurance that we will not go back to past mistakes. I'm quite sure our destination remains firm as the Liebherrs have a tradition of reaching the top of the tree.

STID
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Cortese didn't say much but the little he did included words and phrases like 'vision' 'europe' 'top four' 'champions league'. The new lot seem to be using words like 'awkward' 'financial' 'diffculty' 'sustainable' . I'm not saying they are wrong, after all we don't want to do a 'portsmouth' but also we should recognise that opportunities like these don't come about very often. We have 4 or 5 players that would grace any Prem side so do we sell or do we add? If we don't do it now when do we?[/p][/quote]I thnk the vision is the same and I'd like to think the reason the vocabulary is different is because NC and KL have a different approach. NC likes to appeal to the ambition in people without doubt and his vision will stir the heart. KL is appealing to the financially cautious, providng the reassurance that we will not go back to past mistakes. I'm quite sure our destination remains firm as the Liebherrs have a tradition of reaching the top of the tree. STID st1halo
  • Score: -1

3:50pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Sheffieldsaint says...

It's up to the board and to convince MoPo, that Saints is a better prospect than Spurs. That means matching or beating any contract that Spurs might offer and making sure there are available transfer funds to enable the club to keep driving forward. Anyway who wold want that (pound of flesh) Levi as a boss!!
It's up to the board and to convince MoPo, that Saints is a better prospect than Spurs. That means matching or beating any contract that Spurs might offer and making sure there are available transfer funds to enable the club to keep driving forward. Anyway who wold want that (pound of flesh) Levi as a boss!! Sheffieldsaint
  • Score: -2

3:59pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Do what taking the Spuds over money is very tight Me Boy!
Do what taking the Spuds over money is very tight Me Boy! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: -4

4:03pm Tue 8 Apr 14

lowemustgo says...

There was another Saints manager that I remember, who was given a second chance to manage and in the PL.
But he left to go to a 'bigger club', and hasn't been seen on the touchline since.
I think he was punished for something he did in a previous life?
Anyway, Saints need a new goalie not a new manager.
Spurs on the other hand, need a new ground, new manager, an academy, some decent players and a new owner!
I know where I'd stay :)
There was another Saints manager that I remember, who was given a second chance to manage and in the PL. But he left to go to a 'bigger club', and hasn't been seen on the touchline since. I think he was punished for something he did in a previous life? Anyway, Saints need a new goalie not a new manager. Spurs on the other hand, need a new ground, new manager, an academy, some decent players and a new owner! I know where I'd stay :) lowemustgo
  • Score: 2

4:14pm Tue 8 Apr 14

st1halo says...

warrens 76 wrote:
I live in Switzerland and I know the mindset, unfortunately you can cut it any way you like but here everything comes down to money…Marcus was German and moved the company base to Switzerland but the passion and motivation was Germanic and they are not exactly shabby at business OR football as for passion…they have it in spades.

The Swiss mentality is completely different, big money is made by important families owning cosy cartels, free competition as we know it is frowned upon, Johnny come latelys rarely succeed indeed it is a little like the upper echelons of freemasonry.

For all those looking for clues and intent by the board think Swiss and you will know were we are going…does it make a profit, how can we benefit, billionaires or not I do not envisage Katerina becoming an Abromovitch, Mansour etc it would go against every grain in her upbringing.

If you look at the total money invested into Saints against what Chelsea, Citeh, Liverpool, Mufco, Spuds have spent you will see that it actually is not that much..no seriously against a wealth of billions it really is not…the fact that the board are talking about awkward situations and living within our means when the family is already sat on a huge potential profit is concerning, no other team have in recent years come so far and been in such a good financial position in the process…that fellow fans is alarming.
I'll take the Swiss approach then Warrens.
The sanctions on Russian high profilers would have been enough to start Chelski fan's sphincters tightening and fearing for the future and the other clubs you mention all have large debts. The FFP rules will tighten in time and working within means will ultimately be a necessity. Steadily building a worldwide brand will be key for us and having been hidden away in the lower leagues we will have catching up to do but we've made a great start. The 'awkward' situation refers to our promotion year, not the current one. The 'huge potential profit' you say the family is sat on is only asset value (paper profit) at present. They have invested £52m and the club would probably be valued around £200m, it would be more alarming if they invested huge amounts and then were owed! (aka doing a Chanrai Portsmouth!)
Quality football, a team to match most coupled with financial prudence and a long sustainable non dependant future. Yes please.

STID
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: I live in Switzerland and I know the mindset, unfortunately you can cut it any way you like but here everything comes down to money…Marcus was German and moved the company base to Switzerland but the passion and motivation was Germanic and they are not exactly shabby at business OR football as for passion…they have it in spades. The Swiss mentality is completely different, big money is made by important families owning cosy cartels, free competition as we know it is frowned upon, Johnny come latelys rarely succeed indeed it is a little like the upper echelons of freemasonry. For all those looking for clues and intent by the board think Swiss and you will know were we are going…does it make a profit, how can we benefit, billionaires or not I do not envisage Katerina becoming an Abromovitch, Mansour etc it would go against every grain in her upbringing. If you look at the total money invested into Saints against what Chelsea, Citeh, Liverpool, Mufco, Spuds have spent you will see that it actually is not that much..no seriously against a wealth of billions it really is not…the fact that the board are talking about awkward situations and living within our means when the family is already sat on a huge potential profit is concerning, no other team have in recent years come so far and been in such a good financial position in the process…that fellow fans is alarming.[/p][/quote]I'll take the Swiss approach then Warrens. The sanctions on Russian high profilers would have been enough to start Chelski fan's sphincters tightening and fearing for the future and the other clubs you mention all have large debts. The FFP rules will tighten in time and working within means will ultimately be a necessity. Steadily building a worldwide brand will be key for us and having been hidden away in the lower leagues we will have catching up to do but we've made a great start. The 'awkward' situation refers to our promotion year, not the current one. The 'huge potential profit' you say the family is sat on is only asset value (paper profit) at present. They have invested £52m and the club would probably be valued around £200m, it would be more alarming if they invested huge amounts and then were owed! (aka doing a Chanrai Portsmouth!) Quality football, a team to match most coupled with financial prudence and a long sustainable non dependant future. Yes please. STID st1halo
  • Score: 3

5:28pm Tue 8 Apr 14

saintbobby says...

ian redhill wrote:
SaintinCanada wrote:
If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.
Totally agree with this, spuds have been in this position before and levy likes to keep moving people around, add in the Baldini issue and you have mass instability. AVB and Sherwood gone since Poch came to us, no brainer. Poch has also stated he likes working and bringing through young players where is spuds academy? He will stay. STID
Sorry, please help. What is STID. Have Googled and find things starting with SCIENTIFIC. Also, Sexually Transmitted Indigenous Disease, but nothing that indicates what is meant on a Saints' site!

Someone, please explain. Thanks.
[quote][p][bold]ian redhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with this, spuds have been in this position before and levy likes to keep moving people around, add in the Baldini issue and you have mass instability. AVB and Sherwood gone since Poch came to us, no brainer. Poch has also stated he likes working and bringing through young players where is spuds academy? He will stay. STID[/p][/quote]Sorry, please help. What is STID. Have Googled and find things starting with SCIENTIFIC. Also, Sexually Transmitted Indigenous Disease, but nothing that indicates what is meant on a Saints' site! Someone, please explain. Thanks. saintbobby
  • Score: 0

5:45pm Tue 8 Apr 14

arfer phesache says...

saintbobby wrote:
ian redhill wrote:
SaintinCanada wrote:
If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.
Totally agree with this, spuds have been in this position before and levy likes to keep moving people around, add in the Baldini issue and you have mass instability. AVB and Sherwood gone since Poch came to us, no brainer. Poch has also stated he likes working and bringing through young players where is spuds academy? He will stay. STID
Sorry, please help. What is STID. Have Googled and find things starting with SCIENTIFIC. Also, Sexually Transmitted Indigenous Disease, but nothing that indicates what is meant on a Saints' site!

Someone, please explain. Thanks.
It stands for... Saintbobby .....Tw@t In Denial......
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ian redhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with this, spuds have been in this position before and levy likes to keep moving people around, add in the Baldini issue and you have mass instability. AVB and Sherwood gone since Poch came to us, no brainer. Poch has also stated he likes working and bringing through young players where is spuds academy? He will stay. STID[/p][/quote]Sorry, please help. What is STID. Have Googled and find things starting with SCIENTIFIC. Also, Sexually Transmitted Indigenous Disease, but nothing that indicates what is meant on a Saints' site! Someone, please explain. Thanks.[/p][/quote]It stands for... Saintbobby .....Tw@t In Denial...... arfer phesache
  • Score: -4

5:51pm Tue 8 Apr 14

jrod11 says...

saintbobby wrote:
ian redhill wrote:
SaintinCanada wrote:
If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.
Totally agree with this, spuds have been in this position before and levy likes to keep moving people around, add in the Baldini issue and you have mass instability. AVB and Sherwood gone since Poch came to us, no brainer. Poch has also stated he likes working and bringing through young players where is spuds academy? He will stay. STID
Sorry, please help. What is STID. Have Googled and find things starting with SCIENTIFIC. Also, Sexually Transmitted Indigenous Disease, but nothing that indicates what is meant on a Saints' site!

Someone, please explain. Thanks.
Saints trade in Donkies...
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ian redhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with this, spuds have been in this position before and levy likes to keep moving people around, add in the Baldini issue and you have mass instability. AVB and Sherwood gone since Poch came to us, no brainer. Poch has also stated he likes working and bringing through young players where is spuds academy? He will stay. STID[/p][/quote]Sorry, please help. What is STID. Have Googled and find things starting with SCIENTIFIC. Also, Sexually Transmitted Indigenous Disease, but nothing that indicates what is meant on a Saints' site! Someone, please explain. Thanks.[/p][/quote]Saints trade in Donkies... jrod11
  • Score: -1

5:51pm Tue 8 Apr 14

st1halo says...

saintbobby wrote:
ian redhill wrote:
SaintinCanada wrote:
If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.
Totally agree with this, spuds have been in this position before and levy likes to keep moving people around, add in the Baldini issue and you have mass instability. AVB and Sherwood gone since Poch came to us, no brainer. Poch has also stated he likes working and bringing through young players where is spuds academy? He will stay. STID
Sorry, please help. What is STID. Have Googled and find things starting with SCIENTIFIC. Also, Sexually Transmitted Indigenous Disease, but nothing that indicates what is meant on a Saints' site!

Someone, please explain. Thanks.
Are you sure?

If serious then....

Southampton TiI I Die
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ian redhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: If I were a relatively young, new-to-the-scene manager, enjoying the succss of my style at Southampton, I wouldn't think that moving to Spurs is much of a step upwards.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with this, spuds have been in this position before and levy likes to keep moving people around, add in the Baldini issue and you have mass instability. AVB and Sherwood gone since Poch came to us, no brainer. Poch has also stated he likes working and bringing through young players where is spuds academy? He will stay. STID[/p][/quote]Sorry, please help. What is STID. Have Googled and find things starting with SCIENTIFIC. Also, Sexually Transmitted Indigenous Disease, but nothing that indicates what is meant on a Saints' site! Someone, please explain. Thanks.[/p][/quote]Are you sure? If serious then.... Southampton TiI I Die st1halo
  • Score: -1

5:55pm Tue 8 Apr 14

jrod11 says...

FOP ... Feed our Ponies
FOP ... Feed our Ponies jrod11
  • Score: 0

5:59pm Tue 8 Apr 14

jrod11 says...

FOPAD....Feed our Ponies and Donkeys
FOPAD....Feed our Ponies and Donkeys jrod11
  • Score: 0

6:06pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Confucious says...

st1halo wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
I live in Switzerland and I know the mindset, unfortunately you can cut it any way you like but here everything comes down to money…Marcus was German and moved the company base to Switzerland but the passion and motivation was Germanic and they are not exactly shabby at business OR football as for passion…they have it in spades.

The Swiss mentality is completely different, big money is made by important families owning cosy cartels, free competition as we know it is frowned upon, Johnny come latelys rarely succeed indeed it is a little like the upper echelons of freemasonry.

For all those looking for clues and intent by the board think Swiss and you will know were we are going…does it make a profit, how can we benefit, billionaires or not I do not envisage Katerina becoming an Abromovitch, Mansour etc it would go against every grain in her upbringing.

If you look at the total money invested into Saints against what Chelsea, Citeh, Liverpool, Mufco, Spuds have spent you will see that it actually is not that much..no seriously against a wealth of billions it really is not…the fact that the board are talking about awkward situations and living within our means when the family is already sat on a huge potential profit is concerning, no other team have in recent years come so far and been in such a good financial position in the process…that fellow fans is alarming.
I'll take the Swiss approach then Warrens.
The sanctions on Russian high profilers would have been enough to start Chelski fan's sphincters tightening and fearing for the future and the other clubs you mention all have large debts. The FFP rules will tighten in time and working within means will ultimately be a necessity. Steadily building a worldwide brand will be key for us and having been hidden away in the lower leagues we will have catching up to do but we've made a great start. The 'awkward' situation refers to our promotion year, not the current one. The 'huge potential profit' you say the family is sat on is only asset value (paper profit) at present. They have invested £52m and the club would probably be valued around £200m, it would be more alarming if they invested huge amounts and then were owed! (aka doing a Chanrai Portsmouth!)
Quality football, a team to match most coupled with financial prudence and a long sustainable non dependant future. Yes please.

STID
And just remember - our proud owner was very nearly SISU.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: I live in Switzerland and I know the mindset, unfortunately you can cut it any way you like but here everything comes down to money…Marcus was German and moved the company base to Switzerland but the passion and motivation was Germanic and they are not exactly shabby at business OR football as for passion…they have it in spades. The Swiss mentality is completely different, big money is made by important families owning cosy cartels, free competition as we know it is frowned upon, Johnny come latelys rarely succeed indeed it is a little like the upper echelons of freemasonry. For all those looking for clues and intent by the board think Swiss and you will know were we are going…does it make a profit, how can we benefit, billionaires or not I do not envisage Katerina becoming an Abromovitch, Mansour etc it would go against every grain in her upbringing. If you look at the total money invested into Saints against what Chelsea, Citeh, Liverpool, Mufco, Spuds have spent you will see that it actually is not that much..no seriously against a wealth of billions it really is not…the fact that the board are talking about awkward situations and living within our means when the family is already sat on a huge potential profit is concerning, no other team have in recent years come so far and been in such a good financial position in the process…that fellow fans is alarming.[/p][/quote]I'll take the Swiss approach then Warrens. The sanctions on Russian high profilers would have been enough to start Chelski fan's sphincters tightening and fearing for the future and the other clubs you mention all have large debts. The FFP rules will tighten in time and working within means will ultimately be a necessity. Steadily building a worldwide brand will be key for us and having been hidden away in the lower leagues we will have catching up to do but we've made a great start. The 'awkward' situation refers to our promotion year, not the current one. The 'huge potential profit' you say the family is sat on is only asset value (paper profit) at present. They have invested £52m and the club would probably be valued around £200m, it would be more alarming if they invested huge amounts and then were owed! (aka doing a Chanrai Portsmouth!) Quality football, a team to match most coupled with financial prudence and a long sustainable non dependant future. Yes please. STID[/p][/quote]And just remember - our proud owner was very nearly SISU. Confucious
  • Score: 0

6:21pm Tue 8 Apr 14

warrens 76 says...

Confucious wrote:
st1halo wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
I live in Switzerland and I know the mindset, unfortunately you can cut it any way you like but here everything comes down to money…Marcus was German and moved the company base to Switzerland but the passion and motivation was Germanic and they are not exactly shabby at business OR football as for passion…they have it in spades.

The Swiss mentality is completely different, big money is made by important families owning cosy cartels, free competition as we know it is frowned upon, Johnny come latelys rarely succeed indeed it is a little like the upper echelons of freemasonry.

For all those looking for clues and intent by the board think Swiss and you will know were we are going…does it make a profit, how can we benefit, billionaires or not I do not envisage Katerina becoming an Abromovitch, Mansour etc it would go against every grain in her upbringing.

If you look at the total money invested into Saints against what Chelsea, Citeh, Liverpool, Mufco, Spuds have spent you will see that it actually is not that much..no seriously against a wealth of billions it really is not…the fact that the board are talking about awkward situations and living within our means when the family is already sat on a huge potential profit is concerning, no other team have in recent years come so far and been in such a good financial position in the process…that fellow fans is alarming.
I'll take the Swiss approach then Warrens.
The sanctions on Russian high profilers would have been enough to start Chelski fan's sphincters tightening and fearing for the future and the other clubs you mention all have large debts. The FFP rules will tighten in time and working within means will ultimately be a necessity. Steadily building a worldwide brand will be key for us and having been hidden away in the lower leagues we will have catching up to do but we've made a great start. The 'awkward' situation refers to our promotion year, not the current one. The 'huge potential profit' you say the family is sat on is only asset value (paper profit) at present. They have invested £52m and the club would probably be valued around £200m, it would be more alarming if they invested huge amounts and then were owed! (aka doing a Chanrai Portsmouth!)
Quality football, a team to match most coupled with financial prudence and a long sustainable non dependant future. Yes please.

STID
And just remember - our proud owner was very nearly SISU.
I get it..I really do, however taking a punt ie putting faith in something that does not have a 'working model' is so anti Swiss…..I have seen them steamroller business's with 'proven' turnover and value but never, not ever, take a punt…and that is were SFC are at today.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: I live in Switzerland and I know the mindset, unfortunately you can cut it any way you like but here everything comes down to money…Marcus was German and moved the company base to Switzerland but the passion and motivation was Germanic and they are not exactly shabby at business OR football as for passion…they have it in spades. The Swiss mentality is completely different, big money is made by important families owning cosy cartels, free competition as we know it is frowned upon, Johnny come latelys rarely succeed indeed it is a little like the upper echelons of freemasonry. For all those looking for clues and intent by the board think Swiss and you will know were we are going…does it make a profit, how can we benefit, billionaires or not I do not envisage Katerina becoming an Abromovitch, Mansour etc it would go against every grain in her upbringing. If you look at the total money invested into Saints against what Chelsea, Citeh, Liverpool, Mufco, Spuds have spent you will see that it actually is not that much..no seriously against a wealth of billions it really is not…the fact that the board are talking about awkward situations and living within our means when the family is already sat on a huge potential profit is concerning, no other team have in recent years come so far and been in such a good financial position in the process…that fellow fans is alarming.[/p][/quote]I'll take the Swiss approach then Warrens. The sanctions on Russian high profilers would have been enough to start Chelski fan's sphincters tightening and fearing for the future and the other clubs you mention all have large debts. The FFP rules will tighten in time and working within means will ultimately be a necessity. Steadily building a worldwide brand will be key for us and having been hidden away in the lower leagues we will have catching up to do but we've made a great start. The 'awkward' situation refers to our promotion year, not the current one. The 'huge potential profit' you say the family is sat on is only asset value (paper profit) at present. They have invested £52m and the club would probably be valued around £200m, it would be more alarming if they invested huge amounts and then were owed! (aka doing a Chanrai Portsmouth!) Quality football, a team to match most coupled with financial prudence and a long sustainable non dependant future. Yes please. STID[/p][/quote]And just remember - our proud owner was very nearly SISU.[/p][/quote]I get it..I really do, however taking a punt ie putting faith in something that does not have a 'working model' is so anti Swiss…..I have seen them steamroller business's with 'proven' turnover and value but never, not ever, take a punt…and that is were SFC are at today. warrens 76
  • Score: -2

6:55pm Tue 8 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Confucious wrote:
st1halo wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
I live in Switzerland and I know the mindset, unfortunately you can cut it any way you like but here everything comes down to money…Marcus was German and moved the company base to Switzerland but the passion and motivation was Germanic and they are not exactly shabby at business OR football as for passion…they have it in spades.

The Swiss mentality is completely different, big money is made by important families owning cosy cartels, free competition as we know it is frowned upon, Johnny come latelys rarely succeed indeed it is a little like the upper echelons of freemasonry.

For all those looking for clues and intent by the board think Swiss and you will know were we are going…does it make a profit, how can we benefit, billionaires or not I do not envisage Katerina becoming an Abromovitch, Mansour etc it would go against every grain in her upbringing.

If you look at the total money invested into Saints against what Chelsea, Citeh, Liverpool, Mufco, Spuds have spent you will see that it actually is not that much..no seriously against a wealth of billions it really is not…the fact that the board are talking about awkward situations and living within our means when the family is already sat on a huge potential profit is concerning, no other team have in recent years come so far and been in such a good financial position in the process…that fellow fans is alarming.
I'll take the Swiss approach then Warrens.
The sanctions on Russian high profilers would have been enough to start Chelski fan's sphincters tightening and fearing for the future and the other clubs you mention all have large debts. The FFP rules will tighten in time and working within means will ultimately be a necessity. Steadily building a worldwide brand will be key for us and having been hidden away in the lower leagues we will have catching up to do but we've made a great start. The 'awkward' situation refers to our promotion year, not the current one. The 'huge potential profit' you say the family is sat on is only asset value (paper profit) at present. They have invested £52m and the club would probably be valued around £200m, it would be more alarming if they invested huge amounts and then were owed! (aka doing a Chanrai Portsmouth!)
Quality football, a team to match most coupled with financial prudence and a long sustainable non dependant future. Yes please.

STID
And just remember - our proud owner was very nearly SISU.
I get it..I really do, however taking a punt ie putting faith in something that does not have a 'working model' is so anti Swiss…..I have seen them steamroller business's with 'proven' turnover and value but never, not ever, take a punt…and that is were SFC are at today.
Presumably that is why KL brought in a few others to help in running the Club in an enviroment that would otherwise be alien to her? I am all for steadying the ship rather than gambling everything away at the moment. Others that have tried that have fallen by the wayside.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: I live in Switzerland and I know the mindset, unfortunately you can cut it any way you like but here everything comes down to money…Marcus was German and moved the company base to Switzerland but the passion and motivation was Germanic and they are not exactly shabby at business OR football as for passion…they have it in spades. The Swiss mentality is completely different, big money is made by important families owning cosy cartels, free competition as we know it is frowned upon, Johnny come latelys rarely succeed indeed it is a little like the upper echelons of freemasonry. For all those looking for clues and intent by the board think Swiss and you will know were we are going…does it make a profit, how can we benefit, billionaires or not I do not envisage Katerina becoming an Abromovitch, Mansour etc it would go against every grain in her upbringing. If you look at the total money invested into Saints against what Chelsea, Citeh, Liverpool, Mufco, Spuds have spent you will see that it actually is not that much..no seriously against a wealth of billions it really is not…the fact that the board are talking about awkward situations and living within our means when the family is already sat on a huge potential profit is concerning, no other team have in recent years come so far and been in such a good financial position in the process…that fellow fans is alarming.[/p][/quote]I'll take the Swiss approach then Warrens. The sanctions on Russian high profilers would have been enough to start Chelski fan's sphincters tightening and fearing for the future and the other clubs you mention all have large debts. The FFP rules will tighten in time and working within means will ultimately be a necessity. Steadily building a worldwide brand will be key for us and having been hidden away in the lower leagues we will have catching up to do but we've made a great start. The 'awkward' situation refers to our promotion year, not the current one. The 'huge potential profit' you say the family is sat on is only asset value (paper profit) at present. They have invested £52m and the club would probably be valued around £200m, it would be more alarming if they invested huge amounts and then were owed! (aka doing a Chanrai Portsmouth!) Quality football, a team to match most coupled with financial prudence and a long sustainable non dependant future. Yes please. STID[/p][/quote]And just remember - our proud owner was very nearly SISU.[/p][/quote]I get it..I really do, however taking a punt ie putting faith in something that does not have a 'working model' is so anti Swiss…..I have seen them steamroller business's with 'proven' turnover and value but never, not ever, take a punt…and that is were SFC are at today.[/p][/quote]Presumably that is why KL brought in a few others to help in running the Club in an enviroment that would otherwise be alien to her? I am all for steadying the ship rather than gambling everything away at the moment. Others that have tried that have fallen by the wayside. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

7:43pm Tue 8 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.
I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.
His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August!
So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall?

Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP).

I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave.

It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players.

With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over.

MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it.

Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project.

Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.
What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season.

When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers!

Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash?

All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?
You must live in a strange world of wilfull exaggeration. Yoshida was about £3 mill and Ramirez about £12 mill. That doesn't add up to £20 million. And Victor 'hasn't shown up yet'. He was a regular when our defence was at its tightest!

And suddenly, after worrying about overspend, you want us to splash out £32 million! How many seats will that get us and how long will it take to pay it back at £35-40 per match?
Not Maya i mean't Mayuka, who fat sam was offered for £7 mill just before we got him. Now it does add up!!!
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.[/p][/quote]His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August![/p][/quote]So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall? Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP). I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave. It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players. With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over. MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it. Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project. Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.[/p][/quote]What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season. When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers! Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash? All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?[/p][/quote]You must live in a strange world of wilfull exaggeration. Yoshida was about £3 mill and Ramirez about £12 mill. That doesn't add up to £20 million. And Victor 'hasn't shown up yet'. He was a regular when our defence was at its tightest! And suddenly, after worrying about overspend, you want us to splash out £32 million! How many seats will that get us and how long will it take to pay it back at £35-40 per match?[/p][/quote]Not Maya i mean't Mayuka, who fat sam was offered for £7 mill just before we got him. Now it does add up!!! redandy10
  • Score: 1

7:48pm Tue 8 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.
I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.
His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August!
So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall?

Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP).

I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave.

It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players.

With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over.

MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it.

Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project.

Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.
What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season.

When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers!

Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash?

All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?
I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run?
A typical osprey negative post. They're either score updates, error corrections or negatives about other posters not sharing your views. Very boring stuff and best ignored me thinks!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.[/p][/quote]His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August![/p][/quote]So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall? Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP). I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave. It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players. With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over. MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it. Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project. Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.[/p][/quote]What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season. When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers! Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash? All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?[/p][/quote]I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run?[/p][/quote]A typical osprey negative post. They're either score updates, error corrections or negatives about other posters not sharing your views. Very boring stuff and best ignored me thinks! redandy10
  • Score: 3

8:26pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Hundreds of possible scenarios between now and the 2014/15 season kick off.....and the media will report every single one of them over the coming months.

Get MP signed up and I'm confident the rest will fall into place.
Hundreds of possible scenarios between now and the 2014/15 season kick off.....and the media will report every single one of them over the coming months. Get MP signed up and I'm confident the rest will fall into place. Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 4

8:37pm Tue 8 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.
I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.
His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August!
So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall?

Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP).

I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave.

It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players.

With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over.

MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it.

Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project.

Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.
What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season.

When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers!

Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash?

All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?
I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run?
A typical osprey negative post. They're either score updates, error corrections or negatives about other posters not sharing your views. Very boring stuff and best ignored me thinks!
Sorry that you feel that way, I not changing anything just to please you! You post anything negative and you can expect the wrath of can!
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.[/p][/quote]His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August![/p][/quote]So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall? Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP). I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave. It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players. With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over. MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it. Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project. Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.[/p][/quote]What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season. When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers! Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash? All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?[/p][/quote]I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run?[/p][/quote]A typical osprey negative post. They're either score updates, error corrections or negatives about other posters not sharing your views. Very boring stuff and best ignored me thinks![/p][/quote]Sorry that you feel that way, I not changing anything just to please you! You post anything negative and you can expect the wrath of can! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

8:39pm Tue 8 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

On the subject Cherry are 3 up at half time, Nadkin lovers will have weep for now.
On the subject Cherry are 3 up at half time, Nadkin lovers will have weep for now. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

8:48pm Tue 8 Apr 14

ghk230473 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
On the subject Cherry are 3 up at half time, Nadkin lovers will have weep for now.
I like cherries, they're sweet. When we want some of their player we just pick em as easy as cherries (lallana)!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: On the subject Cherry are 3 up at half time, Nadkin lovers will have weep for now.[/p][/quote]I like cherries, they're sweet. When we want some of their player we just pick em as easy as cherries (lallana)! ghk230473
  • Score: 0

8:54pm Tue 8 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

ghk230473 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
On the subject Cherry are 3 up at half time, Nadkin lovers will have weep for now.
I like cherries, they're sweet. When we want some of their player we just pick em as easy as cherries (lallana)!
Lalla and Corky are at the Match, perhaps they are having negotiations for a transfer should Bournemouth get through the Play Offs!
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: On the subject Cherry are 3 up at half time, Nadkin lovers will have weep for now.[/p][/quote]I like cherries, they're sweet. When we want some of their player we just pick em as easy as cherries (lallana)![/p][/quote]Lalla and Corky are at the Match, perhaps they are having negotiations for a transfer should Bournemouth get through the Play Offs! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

9:03pm Tue 8 Apr 14

arfer phesache says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.
I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.
His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August!
So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall?

Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP).

I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave.

It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players.

With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over.

MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it.

Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project.

Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.
What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season.

When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers!

Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash?

All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?
I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run?
A typical osprey negative post. They're either score updates, error corrections or negatives about other posters not sharing your views. Very boring stuff and best ignored me thinks!
Sorry that you feel that way, I not changing anything just to please you! You post anything negative and you can expect the wrath of can!
The wrath of Khan.............Osp
rey.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.[/p][/quote]His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August![/p][/quote]So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall? Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP). I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave. It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players. With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over. MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it. Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project. Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.[/p][/quote]What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season. When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers! Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash? All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?[/p][/quote]I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run?[/p][/quote]A typical osprey negative post. They're either score updates, error corrections or negatives about other posters not sharing your views. Very boring stuff and best ignored me thinks![/p][/quote]Sorry that you feel that way, I not changing anything just to please you! You post anything negative and you can expect the wrath of can![/p][/quote]The wrath of Khan.............Osp rey. arfer phesache
  • Score: -2

9:12pm Tue 8 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

arfer phesache wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.
I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.
His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August!
So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall?

Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP).

I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave.

It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players.

With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over.

MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it.

Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project.

Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.
What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season.

When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers!

Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash?

All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?
I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run?
A typical osprey negative post. They're either score updates, error corrections or negatives about other posters not sharing your views. Very boring stuff and best ignored me thinks!
Sorry that you feel that way, I not changing anything just to please you! You post anything negative and you can expect the wrath of can!
The wrath of Khan.............Osp

rey.
As opposed to the Wrath of can't.
[quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.[/p][/quote]His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August![/p][/quote]So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall? Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP). I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave. It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players. With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over. MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it. Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project. Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.[/p][/quote]What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season. When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers! Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash? All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?[/p][/quote]I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run?[/p][/quote]A typical osprey negative post. They're either score updates, error corrections or negatives about other posters not sharing your views. Very boring stuff and best ignored me thinks![/p][/quote]Sorry that you feel that way, I not changing anything just to please you! You post anything negative and you can expect the wrath of can![/p][/quote]The wrath of Khan.............Osp rey.[/p][/quote]As opposed to the Wrath of can't. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

9:15pm Tue 8 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

i.e We can't keep our manager, we can't keep our best players, we can't compete with the big boys, well I think we can.
i.e We can't keep our manager, we can't keep our best players, we can't compete with the big boys, well I think we can. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

9:17pm Tue 8 Apr 14

arfer phesache says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
i.e We can't keep our manager, we can't keep our best players, we can't compete with the big boys, well I think we can.
I agree, of course we Khan...
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: i.e We can't keep our manager, we can't keep our best players, we can't compete with the big boys, well I think we can.[/p][/quote]I agree, of course we Khan... arfer phesache
  • Score: 0

9:31pm Tue 8 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Chelsea just gone 2 up, 3 - 3 on ag with an away goal, that may mean our Everton game will be moved to the Sunday.
Chelsea just gone 2 up, 3 - 3 on ag with an away goal, that may mean our Everton game will be moved to the Sunday. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

9:45pm Tue 8 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Cherry 3 Reading 1. Blackburn 2 Twitchy XI 0 chortle.
Cherry 3 Reading 1. Blackburn 2 Twitchy XI 0 chortle. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

9:46pm Tue 8 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Eastleigh won 2 1 at Bromley.
Eastleigh won 2 1 at Bromley. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

9:55pm Tue 8 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.
I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.
His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August!
So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall?

Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP).

I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave.

It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players.

With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over.

MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it.

Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project.

Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.
What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season.

When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers!

Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash?

All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?
I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run?
A typical osprey negative post. They're either score updates, error corrections or negatives about other posters not sharing your views. Very boring stuff and best ignored me thinks!
Sorry that you feel that way, I not changing anything just to please you! You post anything negative and you can expect the wrath of can!
I have said that we have a great manager and team, we are financially secure and praised our academy. But you seize on the fact that I think that as a club we are not going to be spending what we did in the past two seasons. And I said that Kat has every right to do that considering what we've spent over the past two years. On balance Osprey, I'm not being negative, just honest. And I respect your positivity but show some respect for the honest opinions of your fellow fans, after all we all want the same thing, a successful club!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.[/p][/quote]His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August![/p][/quote]So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall? Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP). I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave. It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players. With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over. MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it. Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project. Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.[/p][/quote]What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season. When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers! Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash? All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?[/p][/quote]I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run?[/p][/quote]A typical osprey negative post. They're either score updates, error corrections or negatives about other posters not sharing your views. Very boring stuff and best ignored me thinks![/p][/quote]Sorry that you feel that way, I not changing anything just to please you! You post anything negative and you can expect the wrath of can![/p][/quote]I have said that we have a great manager and team, we are financially secure and praised our academy. But you seize on the fact that I think that as a club we are not going to be spending what we did in the past two seasons. And I said that Kat has every right to do that considering what we've spent over the past two years. On balance Osprey, I'm not being negative, just honest. And I respect your positivity but show some respect for the honest opinions of your fellow fans, after all we all want the same thing, a successful club! redandy10
  • Score: 1

9:55pm Tue 8 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Brighton won 4 1 at Leicester, Wigan lost 1 0 at home to Millwall, the Championship is crazy.
Brighton won 4 1 at Leicester, Wigan lost 1 0 at home to Millwall, the Championship is crazy. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

9:56pm Tue 8 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.
I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.
His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August!
So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall?

Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP).

I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave.

It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players.

With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over.

MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it.

Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project.

Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.
What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season.

When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers!

Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash?

All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?
I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run?
A typical osprey negative post. They're either score updates, error corrections or negatives about other posters not sharing your views. Very boring stuff and best ignored me thinks!
Sorry that you feel that way, I not changing anything just to please you! You post anything negative and you can expect the wrath of can!
I have said that we have a great manager and team, we are financially secure and praised our academy. But you seize on the fact that I think that as a club we are not going to be spending what we did in the past two seasons. And I said that Kat has every right to do that considering what we've spent over the past two years. On balance Osprey, I'm not being negative, just honest. And I respect your positivity but show some respect for the honest opinions of your fellow fans, after all we all want the same thing, a successful club!
What I said earlier.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.[/p][/quote]His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August![/p][/quote]So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall? Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP). I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave. It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players. With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over. MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it. Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project. Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.[/p][/quote]What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season. When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers! Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash? All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?[/p][/quote]I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run?[/p][/quote]A typical osprey negative post. They're either score updates, error corrections or negatives about other posters not sharing your views. Very boring stuff and best ignored me thinks![/p][/quote]Sorry that you feel that way, I not changing anything just to please you! You post anything negative and you can expect the wrath of can![/p][/quote]I have said that we have a great manager and team, we are financially secure and praised our academy. But you seize on the fact that I think that as a club we are not going to be spending what we did in the past two seasons. And I said that Kat has every right to do that considering what we've spent over the past two years. On balance Osprey, I'm not being negative, just honest. And I respect your positivity but show some respect for the honest opinions of your fellow fans, after all we all want the same thing, a successful club![/p][/quote]What I said earlier. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

10:05pm Tue 8 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.
I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.
His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August!
So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall?

Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP).

I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave.

It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players.

With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over.

MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it.

Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project.

Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.
What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season.

When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers!

Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash?

All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?
I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run?
A typical osprey negative post. They're either score updates, error corrections or negatives about other posters not sharing your views. Very boring stuff and best ignored me thinks!
Sorry that you feel that way, I not changing anything just to please you! You post anything negative and you can expect the wrath of can!
I have said that we have a great manager and team, we are financially secure and praised our academy. But you seize on the fact that I think that as a club we are not going to be spending what we did in the past two seasons. And I said that Kat has every right to do that considering what we've spent over the past two years. On balance Osprey, I'm not being negative, just honest. And I respect your positivity but show some respect for the honest opinions of your fellow fans, after all we all want the same thing, a successful club!
What I said earlier.
WOW! Within a minute you replied, jeez, impressive stuff. Tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap. on the old refresh button, huh. I'll take that as a compliment. Have a good evening Osprey. Oh, and COYR.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.[/p][/quote]His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August![/p][/quote]So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall? Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP). I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave. It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players. With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over. MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it. Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project. Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.[/p][/quote]What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season. When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers! Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash? All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?[/p][/quote]I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run?[/p][/quote]A typical osprey negative post. They're either score updates, error corrections or negatives about other posters not sharing your views. Very boring stuff and best ignored me thinks![/p][/quote]Sorry that you feel that way, I not changing anything just to please you! You post anything negative and you can expect the wrath of can![/p][/quote]I have said that we have a great manager and team, we are financially secure and praised our academy. But you seize on the fact that I think that as a club we are not going to be spending what we did in the past two seasons. And I said that Kat has every right to do that considering what we've spent over the past two years. On balance Osprey, I'm not being negative, just honest. And I respect your positivity but show some respect for the honest opinions of your fellow fans, after all we all want the same thing, a successful club![/p][/quote]What I said earlier.[/p][/quote]WOW! Within a minute you replied, jeez, impressive stuff. Tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap. on the old refresh button, huh. I'll take that as a compliment. Have a good evening Osprey. Oh, and COYR. redandy10
  • Score: 1

12:09am Wed 9 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.
I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.
His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August!
So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall?

Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP).

I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave.

It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players.

With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over.

MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it.

Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project.

Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.
What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season.

When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers!

Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash?

All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?
I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run?
A typical osprey negative post. They're either score updates, error corrections or negatives about other posters not sharing your views. Very boring stuff and best ignored me thinks!
Sorry that you feel that way, I not changing anything just to please you! You post anything negative and you can expect the wrath of can!
I have said that we have a great manager and team, we are financially secure and praised our academy. But you seize on the fact that I think that as a club we are not going to be spending what we did in the past two seasons. And I said that Kat has every right to do that considering what we've spent over the past two years. On balance Osprey, I'm not being negative, just honest. And I respect your positivity but show some respect for the honest opinions of your fellow fans, after all we all want the same thing, a successful club!
What I said earlier.
WOW! Within a minute you replied, jeez, impressive stuff. Tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap. on the old refresh button, huh. I'll take that as a compliment. Have a good evening Osprey. Oh, and COYR.
The secret is having two computers!
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.[/p][/quote]His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August![/p][/quote]So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall? Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP). I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave. It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players. With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over. MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it. Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project. Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.[/p][/quote]What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season. When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers! Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash? All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?[/p][/quote]I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run?[/p][/quote]A typical osprey negative post. They're either score updates, error corrections or negatives about other posters not sharing your views. Very boring stuff and best ignored me thinks![/p][/quote]Sorry that you feel that way, I not changing anything just to please you! You post anything negative and you can expect the wrath of can![/p][/quote]I have said that we have a great manager and team, we are financially secure and praised our academy. But you seize on the fact that I think that as a club we are not going to be spending what we did in the past two seasons. And I said that Kat has every right to do that considering what we've spent over the past two years. On balance Osprey, I'm not being negative, just honest. And I respect your positivity but show some respect for the honest opinions of your fellow fans, after all we all want the same thing, a successful club![/p][/quote]What I said earlier.[/p][/quote]WOW! Within a minute you replied, jeez, impressive stuff. Tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap. on the old refresh button, huh. I'll take that as a compliment. Have a good evening Osprey. Oh, and COYR.[/p][/quote]The secret is having two computers! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

6:28am Wed 9 Apr 14

Big Mac says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.
I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.
His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August!
So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall?

Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP).

I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave.

It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players.

With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over.

MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it.

Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project.

Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.
What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season.

When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers!

Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash?

All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?
I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run?
A typical osprey negative post. They're either score updates, error corrections or negatives about other posters not sharing your views. Very boring stuff and best ignored me thinks!
Sorry that you feel that way, I not changing anything just to please you! You post anything negative and you can expect the wrath of can!
I have said that we have a great manager and team, we are financially secure and praised our academy. But you seize on the fact that I think that as a club we are not going to be spending what we did in the past two seasons. And I said that Kat has every right to do that considering what we've spent over the past two years. On balance Osprey, I'm not being negative, just honest. And I respect your positivity but show some respect for the honest opinions of your fellow fans, after all we all want the same thing, a successful club!
What I said earlier.
WOW! Within a minute you replied, jeez, impressive stuff. Tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap. on the old refresh button, huh. I'll take that as a compliment. Have a good evening Osprey. Oh, and COYR.
The secret is having two computers!
The truth is you don't get out much it appears.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.[/p][/quote]His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August![/p][/quote]So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall? Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP). I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave. It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players. With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over. MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it. Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project. Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.[/p][/quote]What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season. When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers! Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash? All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?[/p][/quote]I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run?[/p][/quote]A typical osprey negative post. They're either score updates, error corrections or negatives about other posters not sharing your views. Very boring stuff and best ignored me thinks![/p][/quote]Sorry that you feel that way, I not changing anything just to please you! You post anything negative and you can expect the wrath of can![/p][/quote]I have said that we have a great manager and team, we are financially secure and praised our academy. But you seize on the fact that I think that as a club we are not going to be spending what we did in the past two seasons. And I said that Kat has every right to do that considering what we've spent over the past two years. On balance Osprey, I'm not being negative, just honest. And I respect your positivity but show some respect for the honest opinions of your fellow fans, after all we all want the same thing, a successful club![/p][/quote]What I said earlier.[/p][/quote]WOW! Within a minute you replied, jeez, impressive stuff. Tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap. on the old refresh button, huh. I'll take that as a compliment. Have a good evening Osprey. Oh, and COYR.[/p][/quote]The secret is having two computers![/p][/quote]The truth is you don't get out much it appears. Big Mac
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8:09am Wed 9 Apr 14

Blackknight says...

Why would MoPo want to work for Daniel Levy. Daniel Levy has gone through many managers in his time at Spurs and he does seem to enjoy sacking managers.

Franco Baldini wasted the Gareth Bale money on Lamela, Eriksen, Paulinho and Roberto Soldado, not one of them up to job in the Premier; so MoPo would inherit them and also not be in control of transfers.

He's far better of at Saint's however if Manure or or a top Spanish or Italian club come calling that may be a different matter.
Why would MoPo want to work for Daniel Levy. Daniel Levy has gone through many managers in his time at Spurs and he does seem to enjoy sacking managers. Franco Baldini wasted the Gareth Bale money on Lamela, Eriksen, Paulinho and Roberto Soldado, not one of them up to job in the Premier; so MoPo would inherit them and also not be in control of transfers. He's far better of at Saint's however if Manure or or a top Spanish or Italian club come calling that may be a different matter. Blackknight
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10:51am Wed 9 Apr 14

Beer Monster says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Brighton won 4 1 at Leicester, Wigan lost 1 0 at home to Millwall, the Championship is crazy.
In true Kevin Keegan style, I'd love it if Bournemouth, Reading and Brighton ended up in the playoffs together, leaving a certain pasty faced gentleman with nothing to do but twitch in front of the telly
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Brighton won 4 1 at Leicester, Wigan lost 1 0 at home to Millwall, the Championship is crazy.[/p][/quote]In true Kevin Keegan style, I'd love it if Bournemouth, Reading and Brighton ended up in the playoffs together, leaving a certain pasty faced gentleman with nothing to do but twitch in front of the telly Beer Monster
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10:56am Wed 9 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Big Mac wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.
You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.
I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.
His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August!
So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall?

Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP).

I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave.

It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players.

With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over.

MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it.

Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project.

Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.
What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season.

When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers!

Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash?

All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?
I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run?
A typical osprey negative post. They're either score updates, error corrections or negatives about other posters not sharing your views. Very boring stuff and best ignored me thinks!
Sorry that you feel that way, I not changing anything just to please you! You post anything negative and you can expect the wrath of can!
I have said that we have a great manager and team, we are financially secure and praised our academy. But you seize on the fact that I think that as a club we are not going to be spending what we did in the past two seasons. And I said that Kat has every right to do that considering what we've spent over the past two years. On balance Osprey, I'm not being negative, just honest. And I respect your positivity but show some respect for the honest opinions of your fellow fans, after all we all want the same thing, a successful club!
What I said earlier.
WOW! Within a minute you replied, jeez, impressive stuff. Tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap. on the old refresh button, huh. I'll take that as a compliment. Have a good evening Osprey. Oh, and COYR.
The secret is having two computers!
The truth is you don't get out much it appears.
Will be now that the weather is improving, but I have to admit I don't get around as much as I used to, I do have other outside interests but they are all weather orientated, much better to sit in front of my PC and spout a load of boring clap trap, it's mostly harmless.
[quote][p][bold]Big Mac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: MP will be tempted away..., eventually. But it would have to be for a top job - nothing less than Barcelona in my opinion - one of few clubs that fits with MP's philosophy. I would have thought Spur is anathema to him. Right now there is still so much potential for improvement at SFC and he wants to take the club as far as he can. A couple of signings and continued improvement of established players will be enough to tip the balance - there have been 5 or 6 games this season where you wonder how we managed to lose (Spurs and WHU immediately come to mind). A couple of singings will fix that and we can be looking at +60 points.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. You'll get thumbs down from some vegetables, but you are saying what the sensible, reality living majority of us, are thinking.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure why you agree with right back. He's saying something different from what you said.[/p][/quote]His main point of MoPo being tempted away eventually is spot on. I don't agree that only a few clubs are a perfect fit for MoPo. It he news about us overspending has changed things, we won't be able to spend what we did. Right back says that MoPo wants to take us as far as he can, great point, but I believe that the belt tightening might make him belive he can't really take us any further. If we spend £35 million+ this summer, without flogging any of the talent, I will have to eat a tremendous amount of humble pie on this thread. The so called gap in our finances is a game changer, even the most stubborn fans will have to face up to that. We'll see in August![/p][/quote]So how exactly did spending £35 million last summer benefit us overall? Bar an excellent, good value addition at centre back, it bought us a liability playing his football in Italy and a guy who is arguably no better a prospect than two central midfielder players we already had (Cork and JWP). I don't think finances will be the issue with MP or with our ambitions, unless he wants an excuse to leave. It's clear with our squad that we have many assets he can sell to make funds for other areas of the team (Osvaldo, Gaston, Maya and several others), which, even if there is no extra investment available, will create enough cash to buy what we need now the club is more attractive to incoming players. With £80 million due to come in though my maths says that, even if we pay off our transfer debts and a bit of the academy money we'll still have a bit left over. MP will, in my opinion, simply want to hear some passion for improvement, a determination to get into Europe and a determination to keep our squad together and improve it. Plans to increase the attendances maybe and a vision to expand the ground - basically an ambitious vision. Espanyol wasn't flush with cash as I remember, but he saw it as an exciting project. Some managers won't dream unless they see a cheque book, but I think MP, like Wenger, is more excited about doing amazing things with limited resources and nurturing young talent.[/p][/quote]What MoPo has done in the space of 15 months is incredible. He's taken a team and, in reality, added one player to it, Lovren. Dani did the offski quick smart and Victor is yet to show up. So with a team that Nigel was struggling with we have been in the top eight for the majority of the season. When you say that even these two dud players are assets I agree, but are we going to be able to recoup what we paid. It's not just the money, it's the way that Kat takes it which worries me. Is she going to say, you win some you lose some, or as a business minded individual is she going to hit the brakes. And you mention Maya and Gaston, stone me, those two Peles alone cost about £20 mill, and still no takers! Yes we have the academy, but we produced Theo and Oxo and had them poached early doors, when a big club comes sniffing around we have little option but to let the player decide. What you say about increasing capacity, thus generating money seems to be the best option to grow the size of the club. They say it will cost what, about £32 mill? Will Kat stump it up as well as give MoPo the cash to splash? All in all things are still looking good, we are secure financially and we have THE academy. Can we keep hold of MoPo, the talent and establish ourselves in the the top seven?[/p][/quote]I guess you and I are like chalk and cheese, you constantly come up with the negative posibilties, I prefer to look for the optimistic probabilities, no matter as long as we are both supporting the right team, what's the difference in the long run?[/p][/quote]A typical osprey negative post. They're either score updates, error corrections or negatives about other posters not sharing your views. Very boring stuff and best ignored me thinks![/p][/quote]Sorry that you feel that way, I not changing anything just to please you! You post anything negative and you can expect the wrath of can![/p][/quote]I have said that we have a great manager and team, we are financially secure and praised our academy. But you seize on the fact that I think that as a club we are not going to be spending what we did in the past two seasons. And I said that Kat has every right to do that considering what we've spent over the past two years. On balance Osprey, I'm not being negative, just honest. And I respect your positivity but show some respect for the honest opinions of your fellow fans, after all we all want the same thing, a successful club![/p][/quote]What I said earlier.[/p][/quote]WOW! Within a minute you replied, jeez, impressive stuff. Tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap. on the old refresh button, huh. I'll take that as a compliment. Have a good evening Osprey. Oh, and COYR.[/p][/quote]The secret is having two computers![/p][/quote]The truth is you don't get out much it appears.[/p][/quote]Will be now that the weather is improving, but I have to admit I don't get around as much as I used to, I do have other outside interests but they are all weather orientated, much better to sit in front of my PC and spout a load of boring clap trap, it's mostly harmless. OSPREYSAINT
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