Pochettino furious as Saints' hard luck story goes on

Mauricio Pochettino

Mauricio Pochettino

First published in Sport Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Sports Writer

Mauricio Pochettino insists Saints have been hit hard by poor refereeing decisions in recent weeks.

The Saints boss was adamant his team should have had a penalty at Aston Villa when Ryan Bertrand appeared to block Nathaniel Clyne’s cross with his arm.

Referee Lee Mason turned down the penalty appeals, the latest in a string of such incidents that has infuriated Pochettino.

Previously the manager had been furious that Manchester City were awarded a penalty and an offside goal in Saints’ 4-1 defeat earlier this month.

Saints also thought they should have had a penalty for handball in the previous week’s home loss against Cardiff.

Talking about the Villa Park decision, Pochettino, right, said: “It was a clear penalty.

“You all probably had a better view from the TV but from my point of view it was a clear penalty.

“The linesman as well was quite close. It’s unexplainable to me why that penalty was not given.

“We feel hard done by because in the last few games we have had decisions that have not gone our way.

“If those decisions had gone our way, as they should have, then we would have more points right now.

“The players do not deserve the calls that have not been given because they should have been given. We would be higher in the table if those decisions had gone our way.”

That latter point is debatable as Saints are eight points adrift of the team immediately above them, Manchester United Pochettino was also a little frustrated at Saints’ inability to convert their chances at Villa Park as they drew a blank for the second week in a row, despite another good display.

“It’s exactly the point – we are playing really well but we need to be more clinical in front of goal. That’s what we’ve been lacking these last few games,” he said.

“We are frustrated because we haven’t got the results we have wanted, but at the same time we are very happy with the team’s performance.

“It seems as if we are team that is actually playing to get into the Champions League so we are happy in that sense.”

Pochettino used the stalemate to give minutes to youngsters Sam Gallagher and Harrison Reed as second half subs.

“It’s clear that at Southampton we have a project that is based around young players and we always want to nurture young talent. That’s what we’ve been doing this season,” he reflected.

“We want to support these young players, we want to give them chances and the two players are clear examples of that.

“It’s also clear that we have a short squad, we don’t have that many players within our squad.

“It’s very important we give these young players time to mature and experience what it is to be in the Premier League.”

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6:44am Mon 21 Apr 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Warrens suggested elsewhere that bad decisions have cost Saints about 15 points this season - I can't disagree with that figure.

As others have said on these threads, the club should get an independent, qualified ref to look through the whole season and highlight all the controversial decisions - for and against us.

What I would like this to result in is a report which can be presented to the FA to 'help officials in their difficult job' rather than being presented as an attack on the FA and their 'men in black'.

What IS clear is that these things haven't evened themselves out over this season - not by a country mile.
Warrens suggested elsewhere that bad decisions have cost Saints about 15 points this season - I can't disagree with that figure. As others have said on these threads, the club should get an independent, qualified ref to look through the whole season and highlight all the controversial decisions - for and against us. What I would like this to result in is a report which can be presented to the FA to 'help officials in their difficult job' rather than being presented as an attack on the FA and their 'men in black'. What IS clear is that these things haven't evened themselves out over this season - not by a country mile. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 32

7:40am Mon 21 Apr 14

Freddie Flowerpot says...

There isn't a Manager in the PL who doesn't feel hard done by over referees decisions during the season.

Best to stop whining and get on with it.
There isn't a Manager in the PL who doesn't feel hard done by over referees decisions during the season. Best to stop whining and get on with it. Freddie Flowerpot
  • Score: -2

7:59am Mon 21 Apr 14

Linesman says...

Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way.

Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that.

One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning.

Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.
Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way. Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that. One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning. Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal. Linesman
  • Score: -18

8:27am Mon 21 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

No guarantee that a penalty results in a goal?

SRL takes them you skate fool!
No guarantee that a penalty results in a goal? SRL takes them you skate fool! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 40

8:37am Mon 21 Apr 14

worried of n e hampshire says...

We could of possibly been going into the manure game with the chance of going above them so it does make a lot of difference!
We could of possibly been going into the manure game with the chance of going above them so it does make a lot of difference! worried of n e hampshire
  • Score: 20

8:38am Mon 21 Apr 14

BracknellSaint says...

Linesman wrote:
Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way.

Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that.

One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning.

Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.
Two words. Rickie Lambert.
Swim on skate.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way. Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that. One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning. Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.[/p][/quote]Two words. Rickie Lambert. Swim on skate. BracknellSaint
  • Score: 30

8:41am Mon 21 Apr 14

settheSTandard says...

Clattenburg fiasco springs to mind when reading about poor refereeing decisions, just saying.
Clattenburg fiasco springs to mind when reading about poor refereeing decisions, just saying. settheSTandard
  • Score: 10

8:46am Mon 21 Apr 14

BracknellSaint says...

The poor decisions have definitely cost us the chance for a number of points this year. But at the same time poor finishing has been our blight this year.
As fantastic as our play has been, we've got to add a cutting edge to move upwards next year. And as wonderful as Rickie, Adam and Jay have been all season, they all need to take their finishing up a level for me, especially with their international ambitions.

On another note, see the Daily Mail are at it again. Dressing it up as an attack on Platini and UEFA/ FIFA, but the way it's written as though it's a given that all our lads will leave to join the big boys...Is it just me that gets wound up?

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The poor decisions have definitely cost us the chance for a number of points this year. But at the same time poor finishing has been our blight this year. As fantastic as our play has been, we've got to add a cutting edge to move upwards next year. And as wonderful as Rickie, Adam and Jay have been all season, they all need to take their finishing up a level for me, especially with their international ambitions. On another note, see the Daily Mail are at it again. Dressing it up as an attack on Platini and UEFA/ FIFA, but the way it's written as though it's a given that all our lads will leave to join the big boys...Is it just me that gets wound up? http://www.dailymail .co.uk/sport/footbal l/article-2609004/MA RTIN-SAMUEL-Why-Sout hampton-sign-stars-l ike-Christian-Bentek e-Robin-van-Persie-J ohn-Terry-instead-se ll-sell-sell.html BracknellSaint
  • Score: 12

8:48am Mon 21 Apr 14

miltonarcher says...

The ball hit his arm but not sure it was arm to ball or intentional. He was very close to Clyne when the ball was kicked, not sure he could have avoided being hit. Anyway, why waste your breath Poch, this sort of things happens to all the teams in the Prem, just accept it and move on.
The ball hit his arm but not sure it was arm to ball or intentional. He was very close to Clyne when the ball was kicked, not sure he could have avoided being hit. Anyway, why waste your breath Poch, this sort of things happens to all the teams in the Prem, just accept it and move on. miltonarcher
  • Score: -2

8:51am Mon 21 Apr 14

Norwegian Saint says...

Not just the last couple of months, the penalty given against Jose at Arsenal was a joke as was the hand ball in the box at Everton (both Clatterbrain) Stoke away, Lallana disallowed goal... Just about every game goes against us with referees.
Being 8th with the decisions against us is a miracle.
When did we last get a decision that went our way?
"It evens itself out over the season"? So I guess we beat Everton, Swansea and ManU with 16 goals via penalties and offside judgements?
Time for video on crucial matters, works both ways.
Premier league is best in the World... with the worst referees!
Not just the last couple of months, the penalty given against Jose at Arsenal was a joke as was the hand ball in the box at Everton (both Clatterbrain) Stoke away, Lallana disallowed goal... Just about every game goes against us with referees. Being 8th with the decisions against us is a miracle. When did we last get a decision that went our way? "It evens itself out over the season"? So I guess we beat Everton, Swansea and ManU with 16 goals via penalties and offside judgements? Time for video on crucial matters, works both ways. Premier league is best in the World... with the worst referees! Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 14

9:16am Mon 21 Apr 14

SFCOLDBOY says...

miltonarcher wrote:
The ball hit his arm but not sure it was arm to ball or intentional. He was very close to Clyne when the ball was kicked, not sure he could have avoided being hit. Anyway, why waste your breath Poch, this sort of things happens to all the teams in the Prem, just accept it and move on.
I was less than 25 yards away from the incident.
His immediate reaction was to go face down into the turf then rub his face as if it had been hit.
Guilty!!
Lino, was in line,15 yards away --saw nothing.
Ref,as seen on telly, had a clear look---saw nothing.
2000 Saints supporters and media-- saw a penalty--strange aint it!
You are right -- Move on--- to the next debacle.
Strassie's got it right ---- it aint ballancing up!
COYS.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: The ball hit his arm but not sure it was arm to ball or intentional. He was very close to Clyne when the ball was kicked, not sure he could have avoided being hit. Anyway, why waste your breath Poch, this sort of things happens to all the teams in the Prem, just accept it and move on.[/p][/quote]I was less than 25 yards away from the incident. His immediate reaction was to go face down into the turf then rub his face as if it had been hit. Guilty!! Lino, was in line,15 yards away --saw nothing. Ref,as seen on telly, had a clear look---saw nothing. 2000 Saints supporters and media-- saw a penalty--strange aint it! You are right -- Move on--- to the next debacle. Strassie's got it right ---- it aint ballancing up! COYS. SFCOLDBOY
  • Score: 17

9:24am Mon 21 Apr 14

Linesman says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way.

Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that.

One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning.

Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.
Two words. Rickie Lambert.
Swim on skate.
Name calling cannot alter the FACT that player do miss penalties.

You may never have seen a Saints player miss a penalty, but I have, and have seen Internationals miss them as well.

On the balance of play on Saturday, there should have been no need to have relied on a spot kick to get a win, and blaming the ref is a pretty poor excuse for not doing so.
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way. Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that. One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning. Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.[/p][/quote]Two words. Rickie Lambert. Swim on skate.[/p][/quote]Name calling cannot alter the FACT that player do miss penalties. You may never have seen a Saints player miss a penalty, but I have, and have seen Internationals miss them as well. On the balance of play on Saturday, there should have been no need to have relied on a spot kick to get a win, and blaming the ref is a pretty poor excuse for not doing so. Linesman
  • Score: -13

9:41am Mon 21 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

SFCOLDBOY wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
The ball hit his arm but not sure it was arm to ball or intentional. He was very close to Clyne when the ball was kicked, not sure he could have avoided being hit. Anyway, why waste your breath Poch, this sort of things happens to all the teams in the Prem, just accept it and move on.
I was less than 25 yards away from the incident.
His immediate reaction was to go face down into the turf then rub his face as if it had been hit.
Guilty!!
Lino, was in line,15 yards away --saw nothing.
Ref,as seen on telly, had a clear look---saw nothing.
2000 Saints supporters and media-- saw a penalty--strange aint it!
You are right -- Move on--- to the next debacle.
Strassie's got it right ---- it aint ballancing up!
COYS.
Their manager said they were lucky to get away with that one. In "manager speak" the translation for that is :- " That was a 100% nailed on penalty. I can't believe our luck getting away with that one. Thank heavens for incompetent officials"
[quote][p][bold]SFCOLDBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: The ball hit his arm but not sure it was arm to ball or intentional. He was very close to Clyne when the ball was kicked, not sure he could have avoided being hit. Anyway, why waste your breath Poch, this sort of things happens to all the teams in the Prem, just accept it and move on.[/p][/quote]I was less than 25 yards away from the incident. His immediate reaction was to go face down into the turf then rub his face as if it had been hit. Guilty!! Lino, was in line,15 yards away --saw nothing. Ref,as seen on telly, had a clear look---saw nothing. 2000 Saints supporters and media-- saw a penalty--strange aint it! You are right -- Move on--- to the next debacle. Strassie's got it right ---- it aint ballancing up! COYS.[/p][/quote]Their manager said they were lucky to get away with that one. In "manager speak" the translation for that is :- " That was a 100% nailed on penalty. I can't believe our luck getting away with that one. Thank heavens for incompetent officials" Clever Dick
  • Score: 10

9:45am Mon 21 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

Linesman wrote:
Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way.

Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that.

One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning.

Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.
On average (based on all teams), decisions balance out over the season, but relatively few teams actually get average luck. The great majority are lucky or unlucky to some degree or other. A few teams will be extremely lucky. A few will be extremely unlucky. Most will be a little lucky or a little unlucky.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way. Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that. One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning. Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.[/p][/quote]On average (based on all teams), decisions balance out over the season, but relatively few teams actually get average luck. The great majority are lucky or unlucky to some degree or other. A few teams will be extremely lucky. A few will be extremely unlucky. Most will be a little lucky or a little unlucky. Rising_Son
  • Score: -3

9:46am Mon 21 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

Linesman wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way.

Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that.

One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning.

Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.
Two words. Rickie Lambert.
Swim on skate.
Name calling cannot alter the FACT that player do miss penalties.

You may never have seen a Saints player miss a penalty, but I have, and have seen Internationals miss them as well.

On the balance of play on Saturday, there should have been no need to have relied on a spot kick to get a win, and blaming the ref is a pretty poor excuse for not doing so.
Rubbish. You are right that nobody is certain to score from a penalty . The plain fact is that we were HIGHLY likely to have scored from it and that would VERY PROBABLY have resulted in a 1-0 victory. It doesn't matter if we miss 100 chances and score a penalty , we still get three points.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way. Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that. One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning. Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.[/p][/quote]Two words. Rickie Lambert. Swim on skate.[/p][/quote]Name calling cannot alter the FACT that player do miss penalties. You may never have seen a Saints player miss a penalty, but I have, and have seen Internationals miss them as well. On the balance of play on Saturday, there should have been no need to have relied on a spot kick to get a win, and blaming the ref is a pretty poor excuse for not doing so.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. You are right that nobody is certain to score from a penalty . The plain fact is that we were HIGHLY likely to have scored from it and that would VERY PROBABLY have resulted in a 1-0 victory. It doesn't matter if we miss 100 chances and score a penalty , we still get three points. Clever Dick
  • Score: 8

9:47am Mon 21 Apr 14

Jan28th1984 says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
The poor decisions have definitely cost us the chance for a number of points this year. But at the same time poor finishing has been our blight this year. As fantastic as our play has been, we've got to add a cutting edge to move upwards next year. And as wonderful as Rickie, Adam and Jay have been all season, they all need to take their finishing up a level for me, especially with their international ambitions. On another note, see the Daily Mail are at it again. Dressing it up as an attack on Platini and UEFA/ FIFA, but the way it's written as though it's a given that all our lads will leave to join the big boys...Is it just me that gets wound up? http://www.dailymail .co.uk/sport/footbal l/article-2609004/MA RTIN-SAMUEL-Why-Sout hampton-sign-stars-l ike-Christian-Bentek e-Robin-van-Persie-J ohn-Terry-instead-se ll-sell-sell.html
I understand why you are wound up but I am not wound up. This is because the journalist has given no explanation of the Financial Fair Play rules. He has merely stated that because of them we can't buy expensive players and have to sell all our talented young players.
His headline states the consequences of the why rather than the explanation of the why. Therefore there is nothing in the article that makes any sense whatsoever, it's all just personal opinion without factual support. In other words, classic tabloid cotton wool without form or meaning.

If UEFA's Financial Fair Play rules can be interpreted with regard to our club I would welcome a balanced and reasoned explanation, but this article does not provide it.

The article is a waste of space, a waste of ink, and a waste of everyone's time who takes the trouble to read it.
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: The poor decisions have definitely cost us the chance for a number of points this year. But at the same time poor finishing has been our blight this year. As fantastic as our play has been, we've got to add a cutting edge to move upwards next year. And as wonderful as Rickie, Adam and Jay have been all season, they all need to take their finishing up a level for me, especially with their international ambitions. On another note, see the Daily Mail are at it again. Dressing it up as an attack on Platini and UEFA/ FIFA, but the way it's written as though it's a given that all our lads will leave to join the big boys...Is it just me that gets wound up? http://www.dailymail .co.uk/sport/footbal l/article-2609004/MA RTIN-SAMUEL-Why-Sout hampton-sign-stars-l ike-Christian-Bentek e-Robin-van-Persie-J ohn-Terry-instead-se ll-sell-sell.html[/p][/quote]I understand why you are wound up but I am not wound up. This is because the journalist has given no explanation of the Financial Fair Play rules. He has merely stated that because of them we can't buy expensive players and have to sell all our talented young players. His headline states the consequences of the why rather than the explanation of the why. Therefore there is nothing in the article that makes any sense whatsoever, it's all just personal opinion without factual support. In other words, classic tabloid cotton wool without form or meaning. If UEFA's Financial Fair Play rules can be interpreted with regard to our club I would welcome a balanced and reasoned explanation, but this article does not provide it. The article is a waste of space, a waste of ink, and a waste of everyone's time who takes the trouble to read it. Jan28th1984
  • Score: 8

9:51am Mon 21 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

miltonarcher wrote:
The ball hit his arm but not sure it was arm to ball or intentional. He was very close to Clyne when the ball was kicked, not sure he could have avoided being hit. Anyway, why waste your breath Poch, this sort of things happens to all the teams in the Prem, just accept it and move on.
Funny, you are exercising your right to give your opinion about the incident. Why are you complaining about another person giving his opinion?
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: The ball hit his arm but not sure it was arm to ball or intentional. He was very close to Clyne when the ball was kicked, not sure he could have avoided being hit. Anyway, why waste your breath Poch, this sort of things happens to all the teams in the Prem, just accept it and move on.[/p][/quote]Funny, you are exercising your right to give your opinion about the incident. Why are you complaining about another person giving his opinion? Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

10:05am Mon 21 Apr 14

george chivers says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Warrens suggested elsewhere that bad decisions have cost Saints about 15 points this season - I can't disagree with that figure.

As others have said on these threads, the club should get an independent, qualified ref to look through the whole season and highlight all the controversial decisions - for and against us.

What I would like this to result in is a report which can be presented to the FA to 'help officials in their difficult job' rather than being presented as an attack on the FA and their 'men in black'.

What IS clear is that these things haven't evened themselves out over this season - not by a country mile.
Should be done for every team in the PL, then construct a case for more technology and ex players being fast tracked as referees, so the standard of decision making can be raised. The same could be done for other aspects of the game.

But I doubt the PL would support it or the FA, certainly not the FA which is populated by conservative non creative thinkers. But a very good idea Strassie/Warrens. I support it 100%.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Warrens suggested elsewhere that bad decisions have cost Saints about 15 points this season - I can't disagree with that figure. As others have said on these threads, the club should get an independent, qualified ref to look through the whole season and highlight all the controversial decisions - for and against us. What I would like this to result in is a report which can be presented to the FA to 'help officials in their difficult job' rather than being presented as an attack on the FA and their 'men in black'. What IS clear is that these things haven't evened themselves out over this season - not by a country mile.[/p][/quote]Should be done for every team in the PL, then construct a case for more technology and ex players being fast tracked as referees, so the standard of decision making can be raised. The same could be done for other aspects of the game. But I doubt the PL would support it or the FA, certainly not the FA which is populated by conservative non creative thinkers. But a very good idea Strassie/Warrens. I support it 100%. george chivers
  • Score: 6

10:09am Mon 21 Apr 14

Littleton-Saint says...

Bertrand's handball was as deliberate as it was obvious - at best, the officials were incompetent!
Bertrand's handball was as deliberate as it was obvious - at best, the officials were incompetent! Littleton-Saint
  • Score: 11

10:09am Mon 21 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

george chivers wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Warrens suggested elsewhere that bad decisions have cost Saints about 15 points this season - I can't disagree with that figure.

As others have said on these threads, the club should get an independent, qualified ref to look through the whole season and highlight all the controversial decisions - for and against us.

What I would like this to result in is a report which can be presented to the FA to 'help officials in their difficult job' rather than being presented as an attack on the FA and their 'men in black'.

What IS clear is that these things haven't evened themselves out over this season - not by a country mile.
Should be done for every team in the PL, then construct a case for more technology and ex players being fast tracked as referees, so the standard of decision making can be raised. The same could be done for other aspects of the game.

But I doubt the PL would support it or the FA, certainly not the FA which is populated by conservative non creative thinkers. But a very good idea Strassie/Warrens. I support it 100%.
Assessors are at every match. I should imagine that the figures already exist. Unfortunately, they don't seem to be being used effectively.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Warrens suggested elsewhere that bad decisions have cost Saints about 15 points this season - I can't disagree with that figure. As others have said on these threads, the club should get an independent, qualified ref to look through the whole season and highlight all the controversial decisions - for and against us. What I would like this to result in is a report which can be presented to the FA to 'help officials in their difficult job' rather than being presented as an attack on the FA and their 'men in black'. What IS clear is that these things haven't evened themselves out over this season - not by a country mile.[/p][/quote]Should be done for every team in the PL, then construct a case for more technology and ex players being fast tracked as referees, so the standard of decision making can be raised. The same could be done for other aspects of the game. But I doubt the PL would support it or the FA, certainly not the FA which is populated by conservative non creative thinkers. But a very good idea Strassie/Warrens. I support it 100%.[/p][/quote]Assessors are at every match. I should imagine that the figures already exist. Unfortunately, they don't seem to be being used effectively. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

10:12am Mon 21 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

On second thoughts, maybe they are!!!!!!!!
On second thoughts, maybe they are!!!!!!!! Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

10:17am Mon 21 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

george chivers wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Warrens suggested elsewhere that bad decisions have cost Saints about 15 points this season - I can't disagree with that figure.

As others have said on these threads, the club should get an independent, qualified ref to look through the whole season and highlight all the controversial decisions - for and against us.

What I would like this to result in is a report which can be presented to the FA to 'help officials in their difficult job' rather than being presented as an attack on the FA and their 'men in black'.

What IS clear is that these things haven't evened themselves out over this season - not by a country mile.
Should be done for every team in the PL, then construct a case for more technology and ex players being fast tracked as referees, so the standard of decision making can be raised. The same could be done for other aspects of the game.

But I doubt the PL would support it or the FA, certainly not the FA which is populated by conservative non creative thinkers. But a very good idea Strassie/Warrens. I support it 100%.
I'd agree with Stras too, Sometimes it doesn't matter how well qalified an official is if he simply doesn't want to see an incident or doesn't have the bottle to give it. The non decision against Villa was clearly in the eyeline of the ref and it is inconceivable that it wasn't given. Similarly the penalty at Everton was not given because Clutterbrain was returning to Everton after being kept away for four years due to another incompetent performance an he didn't want to blot his copybook by upsetting them again. Bring on the technology an let's get the right decision on the day
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Warrens suggested elsewhere that bad decisions have cost Saints about 15 points this season - I can't disagree with that figure. As others have said on these threads, the club should get an independent, qualified ref to look through the whole season and highlight all the controversial decisions - for and against us. What I would like this to result in is a report which can be presented to the FA to 'help officials in their difficult job' rather than being presented as an attack on the FA and their 'men in black'. What IS clear is that these things haven't evened themselves out over this season - not by a country mile.[/p][/quote]Should be done for every team in the PL, then construct a case for more technology and ex players being fast tracked as referees, so the standard of decision making can be raised. The same could be done for other aspects of the game. But I doubt the PL would support it or the FA, certainly not the FA which is populated by conservative non creative thinkers. But a very good idea Strassie/Warrens. I support it 100%.[/p][/quote]I'd agree with Stras too, Sometimes it doesn't matter how well qalified an official is if he simply doesn't want to see an incident or doesn't have the bottle to give it. The non decision against Villa was clearly in the eyeline of the ref and it is inconceivable that it wasn't given. Similarly the penalty at Everton was not given because Clutterbrain was returning to Everton after being kept away for four years due to another incompetent performance an he didn't want to blot his copybook by upsetting them again. Bring on the technology an let's get the right decision on the day Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

10:24am Mon 21 Apr 14

st.athan saint says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
The poor decisions have definitely cost us the chance for a number of points this year. But at the same time poor finishing has been our blight this year.
As fantastic as our play has been, we've got to add a cutting edge to move upwards next year. And as wonderful as Rickie, Adam and Jay have been all season, they all need to take their finishing up a level for me, especially with their international ambitions.

On another note, see the Daily Mail are at it again. Dressing it up as an attack on Platini and UEFA/ FIFA, but the way it's written as though it's a given that all our lads will leave to join the big boys...Is it just me that gets wound up?

http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/sport/footbal

l/article-2609004/MA

RTIN-SAMUEL-Why-Sout

hampton-sign-stars-l

ike-Christian-Bentek

e-Robin-van-Persie-J

ohn-Terry-instead-se

ll-sell-sell.html
Sorry don't see MS piece that way at all.In fact what he writes if anything is sympathetic to saints position in relation to FFP.If I recall Cortese voted against when he was in charge.Reality is LS will probably go in summer (AL - not so sure )
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: The poor decisions have definitely cost us the chance for a number of points this year. But at the same time poor finishing has been our blight this year. As fantastic as our play has been, we've got to add a cutting edge to move upwards next year. And as wonderful as Rickie, Adam and Jay have been all season, they all need to take their finishing up a level for me, especially with their international ambitions. On another note, see the Daily Mail are at it again. Dressing it up as an attack on Platini and UEFA/ FIFA, but the way it's written as though it's a given that all our lads will leave to join the big boys...Is it just me that gets wound up? http://www.dailymail .co.uk/sport/footbal l/article-2609004/MA RTIN-SAMUEL-Why-Sout hampton-sign-stars-l ike-Christian-Bentek e-Robin-van-Persie-J ohn-Terry-instead-se ll-sell-sell.html[/p][/quote]Sorry don't see MS piece that way at all.In fact what he writes if anything is sympathetic to saints position in relation to FFP.If I recall Cortese voted against when he was in charge.Reality is LS will probably go in summer (AL - not so sure ) st.athan saint
  • Score: -5

10:26am Mon 21 Apr 14

Shrewdsaint says...

Linesman's fault, the fans could see it clearly, he chickened out. Heard a bit of the Everton/ManU game on 5 live, then 606 and MOTD2, all the commentators seem to think Clattenburg is the best ref, WTF, obviously not watched his games with Saints. At least MoPo doesn't make a right t*at of himself on the TV unlike the Chelski whinger.
Linesman's fault, the fans could see it clearly, he chickened out. Heard a bit of the Everton/ManU game on 5 live, then 606 and MOTD2, all the commentators seem to think Clattenburg is the best ref, WTF, obviously not watched his games with Saints. At least MoPo doesn't make a right t*at of himself on the TV unlike the Chelski whinger. Shrewdsaint
  • Score: 8

10:57am Mon 21 Apr 14

boilerman says...

Linesman wrote:
Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way.

Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that.

One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning.

Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.
If it were 2 points for a win and 1 for a draw then things might even themselves out.
But when a bad decision can mean the difference between three points or one it will never be even..
We played nice football on Saturday but we are not getting the final product, It seems that we are a bit afraid to shoot at times.
We must all stay behind the players as I am sure they are giving everything they have.
COYR
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way. Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that. One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning. Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.[/p][/quote]If it were 2 points for a win and 1 for a draw then things might even themselves out. But when a bad decision can mean the difference between three points or one it will never be even.. We played nice football on Saturday but we are not getting the final product, It seems that we are a bit afraid to shoot at times. We must all stay behind the players as I am sure they are giving everything they have. COYR boilerman
  • Score: 4

10:57am Mon 21 Apr 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

Jan28th1984 wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
The poor decisions have definitely cost us the chance for a number of points this year. But at the same time poor finishing has been our blight this year. As fantastic as our play has been, we've got to add a cutting edge to move upwards next year. And as wonderful as Rickie, Adam and Jay have been all season, they all need to take their finishing up a level for me, especially with their international ambitions. On another note, see the Daily Mail are at it again. Dressing it up as an attack on Platini and UEFA/ FIFA, but the way it's written as though it's a given that all our lads will leave to join the big boys...Is it just me that gets wound up? http://www.dailymail .co.uk/sport/footbal l/article-2609004/MA RTIN-SAMUEL-Why-Sout hampton-sign-stars-l ike-Christian-Bentek e-Robin-van-Persie-J ohn-Terry-instead-se ll-sell-sell.html
I understand why you are wound up but I am not wound up. This is because the journalist has given no explanation of the Financial Fair Play rules. He has merely stated that because of them we can't buy expensive players and have to sell all our talented young players.
His headline states the consequences of the why rather than the explanation of the why. Therefore there is nothing in the article that makes any sense whatsoever, it's all just personal opinion without factual support. In other words, classic tabloid cotton wool without form or meaning.

If UEFA's Financial Fair Play rules can be interpreted with regard to our club I would welcome a balanced and reasoned explanation, but this article does not provide it.

The article is a waste of space, a waste of ink, and a waste of everyone's time who takes the trouble to read it.
totally agree - it's just typical Daily Fail dross that should be treated with the contempt it deserves.

the simple fact is - any club can compete even under the FFP rules, it just takes astute marketing and commercial strength for the club to gain the money it needs to get the talent.
Oh and heres a newsflash - we're so good at growing our own talent we don't need to spend big.
What we need is to keep this squad together and add to it from the academy and from 2-3 sensible signings - the position of strength given by our academy means we don't need to spend stupid money like Man City did.

it amazes me that people can't see past the 'thou shalt spend large to win in the Premier League' argument.
Under the new FFP rules, growing your own is EXACTLY the way to go - clubs like Utd and Chelski who think they can just open the wallet season after season and buy the talent in are going to find that particular well running dry pretty soon - BECAUSE clubs can't spend they are going to be fighting that much more to keep the talent. Utd in particular are going to face some big problems - they won't be earning any money from Europe next season so they are going to start to find things difficult.

And right now we have Mr Krueger on board, talking about how he is going to grow the club commercially.

We are currently as high as we've ever been in the Premier League, the board have stated publicly that we don't need to sell anyone AND we aren't going to be selling anyone. The finances are in great shape (the panic over the £27million was ridiculous), we are in a fantastic position to take advantage of the FFP rules. Katarina (be still my beating heart!) Liebherr is quite clearly not going away any time soon and is very committed to the club.

I'm more than happy, I'm buzzing! What a great time to be a Saints fan! Last time I felt like this was when I was taken to the Dell (Milton Road end had to stand on a stool to see the pitch) to watch Keegan play.
Ok so some of the results have not gone our way this season, some shocking decisions by referees as well but that's to be expected. HEaven forbid that we ever end up like a Man U fan who can't cope with it when the team loses because they think they have a god given right to be in the top four. (Down that road lies the arrogance of the skate)

COME.
ON.
YOU.
SAINTS!
[quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: The poor decisions have definitely cost us the chance for a number of points this year. But at the same time poor finishing has been our blight this year. As fantastic as our play has been, we've got to add a cutting edge to move upwards next year. And as wonderful as Rickie, Adam and Jay have been all season, they all need to take their finishing up a level for me, especially with their international ambitions. On another note, see the Daily Mail are at it again. Dressing it up as an attack on Platini and UEFA/ FIFA, but the way it's written as though it's a given that all our lads will leave to join the big boys...Is it just me that gets wound up? http://www.dailymail .co.uk/sport/footbal l/article-2609004/MA RTIN-SAMUEL-Why-Sout hampton-sign-stars-l ike-Christian-Bentek e-Robin-van-Persie-J ohn-Terry-instead-se ll-sell-sell.html[/p][/quote]I understand why you are wound up but I am not wound up. This is because the journalist has given no explanation of the Financial Fair Play rules. He has merely stated that because of them we can't buy expensive players and have to sell all our talented young players. His headline states the consequences of the why rather than the explanation of the why. Therefore there is nothing in the article that makes any sense whatsoever, it's all just personal opinion without factual support. In other words, classic tabloid cotton wool without form or meaning. If UEFA's Financial Fair Play rules can be interpreted with regard to our club I would welcome a balanced and reasoned explanation, but this article does not provide it. The article is a waste of space, a waste of ink, and a waste of everyone's time who takes the trouble to read it.[/p][/quote]totally agree - it's just typical Daily Fail dross that should be treated with the contempt it deserves. the simple fact is - any club can compete even under the FFP rules, it just takes astute marketing and commercial strength for the club to gain the money it needs to get the talent. Oh and heres a newsflash - we're so good at growing our own talent we don't need to spend big. What we need is to keep this squad together and add to it from the academy and from 2-3 sensible signings - the position of strength given by our academy means we don't need to spend stupid money like Man City did. it amazes me that people can't see past the 'thou shalt spend large to win in the Premier League' argument. Under the new FFP rules, growing your own is EXACTLY the way to go - clubs like Utd and Chelski who think they can just open the wallet season after season and buy the talent in are going to find that particular well running dry pretty soon - BECAUSE clubs can't spend they are going to be fighting that much more to keep the talent. Utd in particular are going to face some big problems - they won't be earning any money from Europe next season so they are going to start to find things difficult. And right now we have Mr Krueger on board, talking about how he is going to grow the club commercially. We are currently as high as we've ever been in the Premier League, the board have stated publicly that we don't need to sell anyone AND we aren't going to be selling anyone. The finances are in great shape (the panic over the £27million was ridiculous), we are in a fantastic position to take advantage of the FFP rules. Katarina (be still my beating heart!) Liebherr is quite clearly not going away any time soon and is very committed to the club. I'm more than happy, I'm buzzing! What a great time to be a Saints fan! Last time I felt like this was when I was taken to the Dell (Milton Road end had to stand on a stool to see the pitch) to watch Keegan play. Ok so some of the results have not gone our way this season, some shocking decisions by referees as well but that's to be expected. HEaven forbid that we ever end up like a Man U fan who can't cope with it when the team loses because they think they have a god given right to be in the top four. (Down that road lies the arrogance of the skate) COME. ON. YOU. SAINTS! Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 16

11:56am Mon 21 Apr 14

NikkkoNik says...

I believe the financial fair rules are a complete farce. How does Man City, Chelsea, Fulham PSG make these rules. Are Liverpool going to be able to play in the champions league, they have broken this rule. Real Madrid and Barcelona have a TV deal that gives them a £300M advantage over all other cubs in their league. £300M sponsorship deals by cousins of the owners?

Ignore this rule and concentrate on getting a goalkeeper that will challenge Borac. Davies and Gazza are complete rubbish, Davies would get a starting position outside the top two divisions and Gazza is not fit to play professional football. This has cost us 15 points plus last season and a similar amount this year.

Due to the boardroom changes, we did not buy replacements for Danni and Punch, had we done so we would be a top six team this year. Failure to do this demonstrates to the manager we are not perhaps a ambitious club and I believe puts into question the future of next season.

We will come under pressure from the bigger clubs to sell, Shaw, Lallana, Loven and JayRod had he been fit. They will be able to double their wages and compete for Champions League. We will have £50M plus to spend, and struggle to buy players who want to compete and make a difference. This all sound negative, but this is based on history. When we sold Shearer, we bought, Dave Speedie, Ken Monkou, Perry Groves and Kerry Dixon, only Monkou made a difference. With a new board, manager that is not committing to the future and pressure building to sell players from clubs and agents we face a difficult summer.
I believe the financial fair rules are a complete farce. How does Man City, Chelsea, Fulham PSG make these rules. Are Liverpool going to be able to play in the champions league, they have broken this rule. Real Madrid and Barcelona have a TV deal that gives them a £300M advantage over all other cubs in their league. £300M sponsorship deals by cousins of the owners? Ignore this rule and concentrate on getting a goalkeeper that will challenge Borac. Davies and Gazza are complete rubbish, Davies would get a starting position outside the top two divisions and Gazza is not fit to play professional football. This has cost us 15 points plus last season and a similar amount this year. Due to the boardroom changes, we did not buy replacements for Danni and Punch, had we done so we would be a top six team this year. Failure to do this demonstrates to the manager we are not perhaps a ambitious club and I believe puts into question the future of next season. We will come under pressure from the bigger clubs to sell, Shaw, Lallana, Loven and JayRod had he been fit. They will be able to double their wages and compete for Champions League. We will have £50M plus to spend, and struggle to buy players who want to compete and make a difference. This all sound negative, but this is based on history. When we sold Shearer, we bought, Dave Speedie, Ken Monkou, Perry Groves and Kerry Dixon, only Monkou made a difference. With a new board, manager that is not committing to the future and pressure building to sell players from clubs and agents we face a difficult summer. NikkkoNik
  • Score: 2

12:08pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Costa Baz says...

george chivers wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Warrens suggested elsewhere that bad decisions have cost Saints about 15 points this season - I can't disagree with that figure.

As others have said on these threads, the club should get an independent, qualified ref to look through the whole season and highlight all the controversial decisions - for and against us.

What I would like this to result in is a report which can be presented to the FA to 'help officials in their difficult job' rather than being presented as an attack on the FA and their 'men in black'.

What IS clear is that these things haven't evened themselves out over this season - not by a country mile.
Should be done for every team in the PL, then construct a case for more technology and ex players being fast tracked as referees, so the standard of decision making can be raised. The same could be done for other aspects of the game.

But I doubt the PL would support it or the FA, certainly not the FA which is populated by conservative non creative thinkers. But a very good idea Strassie/Warrens. I support it 100%.
After the Clattenburg, non penalty incident at Everton, I suggested the referee's body should keep spreadsheets of incorrect and/or match changing decisions, made by referees, to highlight if certain clubs are gaining or being denied favours, from each ref.
Then the ref's governing body could have a quiet word with some refs, and stop others officiating in games involving certain teams.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Warrens suggested elsewhere that bad decisions have cost Saints about 15 points this season - I can't disagree with that figure. As others have said on these threads, the club should get an independent, qualified ref to look through the whole season and highlight all the controversial decisions - for and against us. What I would like this to result in is a report which can be presented to the FA to 'help officials in their difficult job' rather than being presented as an attack on the FA and their 'men in black'. What IS clear is that these things haven't evened themselves out over this season - not by a country mile.[/p][/quote]Should be done for every team in the PL, then construct a case for more technology and ex players being fast tracked as referees, so the standard of decision making can be raised. The same could be done for other aspects of the game. But I doubt the PL would support it or the FA, certainly not the FA which is populated by conservative non creative thinkers. But a very good idea Strassie/Warrens. I support it 100%.[/p][/quote]After the Clattenburg, non penalty incident at Everton, I suggested the referee's body should keep spreadsheets of incorrect and/or match changing decisions, made by referees, to highlight if certain clubs are gaining or being denied favours, from each ref. Then the ref's governing body could have a quiet word with some refs, and stop others officiating in games involving certain teams. Costa Baz
  • Score: 6

12:18pm Mon 21 Apr 14

saint christopher says...

MoPo, please don't keep covering up your team's shortcomings by turning into another Wenger, Moyes or Morhino. The reason our season is tailing off to such an extent that we are likely to finish 9th or 10th rather than the 7th we should have reached is because we've stopped being able to keep the ball out of our own net and increasingly find it impossible to put it in the opposition's net, even when we have 70% of the possession. Yes there may be contributing factors but please let's be honest regarding our current shortcomings and not revert to blaming everything and everybody else.
MoPo, please don't keep covering up your team's shortcomings by turning into another Wenger, Moyes or Morhino. The reason our season is tailing off to such an extent that we are likely to finish 9th or 10th rather than the 7th we should have reached is because we've stopped being able to keep the ball out of our own net and increasingly find it impossible to put it in the opposition's net, even when we have 70% of the possession. Yes there may be contributing factors but please let's be honest regarding our current shortcomings and not revert to blaming everything and everybody else. saint christopher
  • Score: -2

12:18pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Costa Baz says...

Regarding the handball decisions, we haven't been given, maybe it's time for the law to change.

At the moment, we have officials deciding if it was intentional or not intentional, yet the same consideration isn't given to strikers, who become unintentionally offside, because a defender stepped up, putting him in an offside position.
Why should handball be treated any differently? Why should a defender be given the benefit of doubt, denying a penalty, when a striker isn't given the benefit of doubt, when scoring from an offside position, he unintentionally found himself in?
Seems the defence is on a win/win situation.

With all refs having different views, on what represents ball to hand, too close to get out of the way etc, is it not time all contact with the hand/arm was automatically given as an offence?
At least fans and players would know what is going on then.
Regarding the handball decisions, we haven't been given, maybe it's time for the law to change. At the moment, we have officials deciding if it was intentional or not intentional, yet the same consideration isn't given to strikers, who become unintentionally offside, because a defender stepped up, putting him in an offside position. Why should handball be treated any differently? Why should a defender be given the benefit of doubt, denying a penalty, when a striker isn't given the benefit of doubt, when scoring from an offside position, he unintentionally found himself in? Seems the defence is on a win/win situation. With all refs having different views, on what represents ball to hand, too close to get out of the way etc, is it not time all contact with the hand/arm was automatically given as an offence? At least fans and players would know what is going on then. Costa Baz
  • Score: 0

12:24pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Rudolf Hucker says...

I would like to see a "video ref" as in rugby with each team having 3 challenges per match, so as not to slow the game up.
On another note. Luke Shaw and his pace.
Gareth Bale played left back for Saints, moved to midfield with Spurs, and is now the most expensive player in the world.
Why don't we do the same with LS? put him in midfield and say just do it.
I have heard we have a good up and coming left back at the Academy for cover. Its just a thought.
I would like to see a "video ref" as in rugby with each team having 3 challenges per match, so as not to slow the game up. On another note. Luke Shaw and his pace. Gareth Bale played left back for Saints, moved to midfield with Spurs, and is now the most expensive player in the world. Why don't we do the same with LS? put him in midfield and say just do it. I have heard we have a good up and coming left back at the Academy for cover. Its just a thought. Rudolf Hucker
  • Score: 6

12:50pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Rooflas says...

I think in the long term you make your own luck, yes we've had decisions that have gone against us but I don't like this blame the ref policy. We will finish 8th which is respectable and IMO I think we may struggle to get near that next season, (sorry) with teams taking more notice of us and maybe a transitional period in the summer. We spent a lot of money namely on osvaldo which should have wisely been spent on other areas. Everton are the template for us and they have managed it with loan deals too. Priority is to get certain players off our books and with osvaldo we need to get the best deal possible, maybe a swap for keeper or defender.
With regards to pochs future, Id be surprised if things haven't been sorted either way. Katherina had a replacement for cortèse back in October when he put his resignation in, the people she has in place aren't daft and will be prepared as much as they can. There is too much money at risk, IMO the club is in good hands
I think in the long term you make your own luck, yes we've had decisions that have gone against us but I don't like this blame the ref policy. We will finish 8th which is respectable and IMO I think we may struggle to get near that next season, (sorry) with teams taking more notice of us and maybe a transitional period in the summer. We spent a lot of money namely on osvaldo which should have wisely been spent on other areas. Everton are the template for us and they have managed it with loan deals too. Priority is to get certain players off our books and with osvaldo we need to get the best deal possible, maybe a swap for keeper or defender. With regards to pochs future, Id be surprised if things haven't been sorted either way. Katherina had a replacement for cortèse back in October when he put his resignation in, the people she has in place aren't daft and will be prepared as much as they can. There is too much money at risk, IMO the club is in good hands Rooflas
  • Score: 4

12:58pm Mon 21 Apr 14

el caballo santos101 says...

george chivers wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Warrens suggested elsewhere that bad decisions have cost Saints about 15 points this season - I can't disagree with that figure.

As others have said on these threads, the club should get an independent, qualified ref to look through the whole season and highlight all the controversial decisions - for and against us.

What I would like this to result in is a report which can be presented to the FA to 'help officials in their difficult job' rather than being presented as an attack on the FA and their 'men in black'.

What IS clear is that these things haven't evened themselves out over this season - not by a country mile.
Should be done for every team in the PL, then construct a case for more technology and ex players being fast tracked as referees, so the standard of decision making can be raised. The same could be done for other aspects of the game.

But I doubt the PL would support it or the FA, certainly not the FA which is populated by conservative non creative thinkers. But a very good idea Strassie/Warrens. I support it 100%.
no no no no no! technology is NOT the answer!
what would have happened if the handball decision had gone to a video ref? when would you stop play? how long for? we as fans enjoy a fast flowing game but introduce technology and games will go to a stop start bore fest which will then allow tv companies to insert adverts into the breaks, and once they start that it will never end!
who makes the decision on each offence and whether it should be looked at by a video ref? well unless you give managers the ability to challenge the decisions it will still be down to the refs. so if we allow managers to challenge decisions, do they get a limit on how many they can use? if so you will still get poor decisions, so no change there. managers will also be very crafty with their challenges and will use them to stop play when it looks like they may concede a goal.
so we will have an imperfect system which will be abused by managers (cricketers have learnt to abuse the replay decision system) to affect the result unfairly which is the last thing we want! take lallas goal against Newcastle, if their manager had challenged corks tackle in the lead up to the goal would the ref stop play straight away or wait for a stop in play? some refs would have given a foul and some wouldn't. would officials give decisions or wait to see if there is a challenge? would the lino have given lalla offside against villa? cricket umpires prefer to go to a video replay instead of giving run-outs that are clear to see and they would have had no problem giving before the videos.
you then have the problem that most decisions in football are subjective, fouls, dives, handballs etc can be, and are still argued over by pundits and the media even after watching replay after replay in super slow-mo. decisions like the villa handball, if challenged, would still be decided by a ref and each ref can still see things differently and the wrong decision can still be made. some of the media and pundits are saying it was a nailed on pen whilst others think it wasn't.
we need to give refs and linos more help instead of taking away their powers. lets have 2 more linos so that they aren't asked to make a decision on which way a throw in has gone from 50yrds away, lets punish divers with a 1-3 game ban, use videos after the game to punish them if needed. lets give refs an opportunity to come out after a game and talk through some of the decisions they made, and lets not hound them if they admit they might have made a mistake.
the game of football isn't perfect and whilst we still have refs on the pitch wrong decisions will still be made, but compare that to the alternative! we could end up with a sterile game where every tackle, offside etc is looked at over and over again by a panel of refs sat in a booth away from the action and unable to talk to the players, a stop start game filled with advert breaks (if watching on tv) that could last for hours.
sorry but I would rather have refs making an on the spot decision than that.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Warrens suggested elsewhere that bad decisions have cost Saints about 15 points this season - I can't disagree with that figure. As others have said on these threads, the club should get an independent, qualified ref to look through the whole season and highlight all the controversial decisions - for and against us. What I would like this to result in is a report which can be presented to the FA to 'help officials in their difficult job' rather than being presented as an attack on the FA and their 'men in black'. What IS clear is that these things haven't evened themselves out over this season - not by a country mile.[/p][/quote]Should be done for every team in the PL, then construct a case for more technology and ex players being fast tracked as referees, so the standard of decision making can be raised. The same could be done for other aspects of the game. But I doubt the PL would support it or the FA, certainly not the FA which is populated by conservative non creative thinkers. But a very good idea Strassie/Warrens. I support it 100%.[/p][/quote]no no no no no! technology is NOT the answer! what would have happened if the handball decision had gone to a video ref? when would you stop play? how long for? we as fans enjoy a fast flowing game but introduce technology and games will go to a stop start bore fest which will then allow tv companies to insert adverts into the breaks, and once they start that it will never end! who makes the decision on each offence and whether it should be looked at by a video ref? well unless you give managers the ability to challenge the decisions it will still be down to the refs. so if we allow managers to challenge decisions, do they get a limit on how many they can use? if so you will still get poor decisions, so no change there. managers will also be very crafty with their challenges and will use them to stop play when it looks like they may concede a goal. so we will have an imperfect system which will be abused by managers (cricketers have learnt to abuse the replay decision system) to affect the result unfairly which is the last thing we want! take lallas goal against Newcastle, if their manager had challenged corks tackle in the lead up to the goal would the ref stop play straight away or wait for a stop in play? some refs would have given a foul and some wouldn't. would officials give decisions or wait to see if there is a challenge? would the lino have given lalla offside against villa? cricket umpires prefer to go to a video replay instead of giving run-outs that are clear to see and they would have had no problem giving before the videos. you then have the problem that most decisions in football are subjective, fouls, dives, handballs etc can be, and are still argued over by pundits and the media even after watching replay after replay in super slow-mo. decisions like the villa handball, if challenged, would still be decided by a ref and each ref can still see things differently and the wrong decision can still be made. some of the media and pundits are saying it was a nailed on pen whilst others think it wasn't. we need to give refs and linos more help instead of taking away their powers. lets have 2 more linos so that they aren't asked to make a decision on which way a throw in has gone from 50yrds away, lets punish divers with a 1-3 game ban, use videos after the game to punish them if needed. lets give refs an opportunity to come out after a game and talk through some of the decisions they made, and lets not hound them if they admit they might have made a mistake. the game of football isn't perfect and whilst we still have refs on the pitch wrong decisions will still be made, but compare that to the alternative! we could end up with a sterile game where every tackle, offside etc is looked at over and over again by a panel of refs sat in a booth away from the action and unable to talk to the players, a stop start game filled with advert breaks (if watching on tv) that could last for hours. sorry but I would rather have refs making an on the spot decision than that. el caballo santos101
  • Score: -3

1:55pm Mon 21 Apr 14

warrens 76 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Warrens suggested elsewhere that bad decisions have cost Saints about 15 points this season - I can't disagree with that figure.

As others have said on these threads, the club should get an independent, qualified ref to look through the whole season and highlight all the controversial decisions - for and against us.

What I would like this to result in is a report which can be presented to the FA to 'help officials in their difficult job' rather than being presented as an attack on the FA and their 'men in black'.

What IS clear is that these things haven't evened themselves out over this season - not by a country mile.
Nor by a nautical knot..
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Warrens suggested elsewhere that bad decisions have cost Saints about 15 points this season - I can't disagree with that figure. As others have said on these threads, the club should get an independent, qualified ref to look through the whole season and highlight all the controversial decisions - for and against us. What I would like this to result in is a report which can be presented to the FA to 'help officials in their difficult job' rather than being presented as an attack on the FA and their 'men in black'. What IS clear is that these things haven't evened themselves out over this season - not by a country mile.[/p][/quote]Nor by a nautical knot.. warrens 76
  • Score: 0

2:02pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Linesman says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Linesman wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way.

Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that.

One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning.

Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.
Two words. Rickie Lambert.
Swim on skate.
Name calling cannot alter the FACT that player do miss penalties.

You may never have seen a Saints player miss a penalty, but I have, and have seen Internationals miss them as well.

On the balance of play on Saturday, there should have been no need to have relied on a spot kick to get a win, and blaming the ref is a pretty poor excuse for not doing so.
Rubbish. You are right that nobody is certain to score from a penalty . The plain fact is that we were HIGHLY likely to have scored from it and that would VERY PROBABLY have resulted in a 1-0 victory. It doesn't matter if we miss 100 chances and score a penalty , we still get three points.
Would you have bet against Stuart Pearce scoring from the spot in the Euro 96 Quarter Final?
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way. Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that. One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning. Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.[/p][/quote]Two words. Rickie Lambert. Swim on skate.[/p][/quote]Name calling cannot alter the FACT that player do miss penalties. You may never have seen a Saints player miss a penalty, but I have, and have seen Internationals miss them as well. On the balance of play on Saturday, there should have been no need to have relied on a spot kick to get a win, and blaming the ref is a pretty poor excuse for not doing so.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. You are right that nobody is certain to score from a penalty . The plain fact is that we were HIGHLY likely to have scored from it and that would VERY PROBABLY have resulted in a 1-0 victory. It doesn't matter if we miss 100 chances and score a penalty , we still get three points.[/p][/quote]Would you have bet against Stuart Pearce scoring from the spot in the Euro 96 Quarter Final? Linesman
  • Score: -4

2:10pm Mon 21 Apr 14

warrens 76 says...

george chivers wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Warrens suggested elsewhere that bad decisions have cost Saints about 15 points this season - I can't disagree with that figure.

As others have said on these threads, the club should get an independent, qualified ref to look through the whole season and highlight all the controversial decisions - for and against us.

What I would like this to result in is a report which can be presented to the FA to 'help officials in their difficult job' rather than being presented as an attack on the FA and their 'men in black'.

What IS clear is that these things haven't evened themselves out over this season - not by a country mile.
Should be done for every team in the PL, then construct a case for more technology and ex players being fast tracked as referees, so the standard of decision making can be raised. The same could be done for other aspects of the game.

But I doubt the PL would support it or the FA, certainly not the FA which is populated by conservative non creative thinkers. But a very good idea Strassie/Warrens. I support it 100%.
The 'fact' that Fifa and Eufa are corrupt and regrettably our European cousins have a completely different take on corruption to us (ie if thats what it takes so be it) is in no small part why football unlike every other major sport where critical decisions are crucial (tennis, rugby, athletics) remains unaffected by progress..

Most games are so intense and the tolerances ie timing of tackles, penalties, blatent or accidental fouls so small that they NEED a clear judgement however that offers IMO a too level playing field were a single bad (useful?) decision can affect the game and NOT to the big favoured clubs advantage.

For those who think this all a but conspiratol let me remind you that Anderlecht knocked us out of the Cup winners cup in 77 with some of the most blatant cheating and refereeing decisions I have ever seen…2 years later they were found guilty of bribing officials ..read up on it.

The G16 clubs generate enormous revenue for EUFA and they do not want crowd pullers out of the running…

One final thing as with the old Liverpool today's top teams are expert at conning the referee and goold old SFC play the game..it i gamesmanship but wins games.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Warrens suggested elsewhere that bad decisions have cost Saints about 15 points this season - I can't disagree with that figure. As others have said on these threads, the club should get an independent, qualified ref to look through the whole season and highlight all the controversial decisions - for and against us. What I would like this to result in is a report which can be presented to the FA to 'help officials in their difficult job' rather than being presented as an attack on the FA and their 'men in black'. What IS clear is that these things haven't evened themselves out over this season - not by a country mile.[/p][/quote]Should be done for every team in the PL, then construct a case for more technology and ex players being fast tracked as referees, so the standard of decision making can be raised. The same could be done for other aspects of the game. But I doubt the PL would support it or the FA, certainly not the FA which is populated by conservative non creative thinkers. But a very good idea Strassie/Warrens. I support it 100%.[/p][/quote]The 'fact' that Fifa and Eufa are corrupt and regrettably our European cousins have a completely different take on corruption to us (ie if thats what it takes so be it) is in no small part why football unlike every other major sport where critical decisions are crucial (tennis, rugby, athletics) remains unaffected by progress.. Most games are so intense and the tolerances ie timing of tackles, penalties, blatent or accidental fouls so small that they NEED a clear judgement however that offers IMO a too level playing field were a single bad (useful?) decision can affect the game and NOT to the big favoured clubs advantage. For those who think this all a but conspiratol let me remind you that Anderlecht knocked us out of the Cup winners cup in 77 with some of the most blatant cheating and refereeing decisions I have ever seen…2 years later they were found guilty of bribing officials ..read up on it. The G16 clubs generate enormous revenue for EUFA and they do not want crowd pullers out of the running… One final thing as with the old Liverpool today's top teams are expert at conning the referee and goold old SFC play the game..it i gamesmanship but wins games. warrens 76
  • Score: 3

2:13pm Mon 21 Apr 14

warrens 76 says...

saint christopher wrote:
MoPo, please don't keep covering up your team's shortcomings by turning into another Wenger, Moyes or Morhino. The reason our season is tailing off to such an extent that we are likely to finish 9th or 10th rather than the 7th we should have reached is because we've stopped being able to keep the ball out of our own net and increasingly find it impossible to put it in the opposition's net, even when we have 70% of the possession. Yes there may be contributing factors but please let's be honest regarding our current shortcomings and not revert to blaming everything and everybody else.
Close on 70% possession in most games, most chances created and we still lose or draw does tell i'ts own story St C…even though our fellow fans might not agree.
[quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: MoPo, please don't keep covering up your team's shortcomings by turning into another Wenger, Moyes or Morhino. The reason our season is tailing off to such an extent that we are likely to finish 9th or 10th rather than the 7th we should have reached is because we've stopped being able to keep the ball out of our own net and increasingly find it impossible to put it in the opposition's net, even when we have 70% of the possession. Yes there may be contributing factors but please let's be honest regarding our current shortcomings and not revert to blaming everything and everybody else.[/p][/quote]Close on 70% possession in most games, most chances created and we still lose or draw does tell i'ts own story St C…even though our fellow fans might not agree. warrens 76
  • Score: 3

2:13pm Mon 21 Apr 14

warrens 76 says...

boilerman wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way.

Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that.

One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning.

Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.
If it were 2 points for a win and 1 for a draw then things might even themselves out.
But when a bad decision can mean the difference between three points or one it will never be even..
We played nice football on Saturday but we are not getting the final product, It seems that we are a bit afraid to shoot at times.
We must all stay behind the players as I am sure they are giving everything they have.
COYR
good point!
[quote][p][bold]boilerman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way. Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that. One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning. Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.[/p][/quote]If it were 2 points for a win and 1 for a draw then things might even themselves out. But when a bad decision can mean the difference between three points or one it will never be even.. We played nice football on Saturday but we are not getting the final product, It seems that we are a bit afraid to shoot at times. We must all stay behind the players as I am sure they are giving everything they have. COYR[/p][/quote]good point! warrens 76
  • Score: 0

2:17pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Velleity says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Regarding the handball decisions, we haven't been given, maybe it's time for the law to change.

At the moment, we have officials deciding if it was intentional or not intentional, yet the same consideration isn't given to strikers, who become unintentionally offside, because a defender stepped up, putting him in an offside position.
Why should handball be treated any differently? Why should a defender be given the benefit of doubt, denying a penalty, when a striker isn't given the benefit of doubt, when scoring from an offside position, he unintentionally found himself in?
Seems the defence is on a win/win situation.

With all refs having different views, on what represents ball to hand, too close to get out of the way etc, is it not time all contact with the hand/arm was automatically given as an offence?
At least fans and players would know what is going on then.
Gary Lineker agrees with you; he's argued it often.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Regarding the handball decisions, we haven't been given, maybe it's time for the law to change. At the moment, we have officials deciding if it was intentional or not intentional, yet the same consideration isn't given to strikers, who become unintentionally offside, because a defender stepped up, putting him in an offside position. Why should handball be treated any differently? Why should a defender be given the benefit of doubt, denying a penalty, when a striker isn't given the benefit of doubt, when scoring from an offside position, he unintentionally found himself in? Seems the defence is on a win/win situation. With all refs having different views, on what represents ball to hand, too close to get out of the way etc, is it not time all contact with the hand/arm was automatically given as an offence? At least fans and players would know what is going on then.[/p][/quote]Gary Lineker agrees with you; he's argued it often. Velleity
  • Score: 1

3:02pm Mon 21 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

miltonarcher wrote:
The ball hit his arm but not sure it was arm to ball or intentional. He was very close to Clyne when the ball was kicked, not sure he could have avoided being hit. Anyway, why waste your breath Poch, this sort of things happens to all the teams in the Prem, just accept it and move on.
The ball hit the arm because the arm was put in the way of the ball, it denied a goalscoring opportunity through blocking the cross, seen that sort given more often than not, except when it is us, it's not my paranoia, it's a fact.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: The ball hit his arm but not sure it was arm to ball or intentional. He was very close to Clyne when the ball was kicked, not sure he could have avoided being hit. Anyway, why waste your breath Poch, this sort of things happens to all the teams in the Prem, just accept it and move on.[/p][/quote]The ball hit the arm because the arm was put in the way of the ball, it denied a goalscoring opportunity through blocking the cross, seen that sort given more often than not, except when it is us, it's not my paranoia, it's a fact. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

3:06pm Mon 21 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

NikkkoNik wrote:
I believe the financial fair rules are a complete farce. How does Man City, Chelsea, Fulham PSG make these rules. Are Liverpool going to be able to play in the champions league, they have broken this rule. Real Madrid and Barcelona have a TV deal that gives them a £300M advantage over all other cubs in their league. £300M sponsorship deals by cousins of the owners?

Ignore this rule and concentrate on getting a goalkeeper that will challenge Borac. Davies and Gazza are complete rubbish, Davies would get a starting position outside the top two divisions and Gazza is not fit to play professional football. This has cost us 15 points plus last season and a similar amount this year.

Due to the boardroom changes, we did not buy replacements for Danni and Punch, had we done so we would be a top six team this year. Failure to do this demonstrates to the manager we are not perhaps a ambitious club and I believe puts into question the future of next season.

We will come under pressure from the bigger clubs to sell, Shaw, Lallana, Loven and JayRod had he been fit. They will be able to double their wages and compete for Champions League. We will have £50M plus to spend, and struggle to buy players who want to compete and make a difference. This all sound negative, but this is based on history. When we sold Shearer, we bought, Dave Speedie, Ken Monkou, Perry Groves and Kerry Dixon, only Monkou made a difference. With a new board, manager that is not committing to the future and pressure building to sell players from clubs and agents we face a difficult summer.
"This all sound negative", You are dead right there, that's as negative as the most negative thing ever.
[quote][p][bold]NikkkoNik[/bold] wrote: I believe the financial fair rules are a complete farce. How does Man City, Chelsea, Fulham PSG make these rules. Are Liverpool going to be able to play in the champions league, they have broken this rule. Real Madrid and Barcelona have a TV deal that gives them a £300M advantage over all other cubs in their league. £300M sponsorship deals by cousins of the owners? Ignore this rule and concentrate on getting a goalkeeper that will challenge Borac. Davies and Gazza are complete rubbish, Davies would get a starting position outside the top two divisions and Gazza is not fit to play professional football. This has cost us 15 points plus last season and a similar amount this year. Due to the boardroom changes, we did not buy replacements for Danni and Punch, had we done so we would be a top six team this year. Failure to do this demonstrates to the manager we are not perhaps a ambitious club and I believe puts into question the future of next season. We will come under pressure from the bigger clubs to sell, Shaw, Lallana, Loven and JayRod had he been fit. They will be able to double their wages and compete for Champions League. We will have £50M plus to spend, and struggle to buy players who want to compete and make a difference. This all sound negative, but this is based on history. When we sold Shearer, we bought, Dave Speedie, Ken Monkou, Perry Groves and Kerry Dixon, only Monkou made a difference. With a new board, manager that is not committing to the future and pressure building to sell players from clubs and agents we face a difficult summer.[/p][/quote]"This all sound negative", You are dead right there, that's as negative as the most negative thing ever. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

3:15pm Mon 21 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Rudolf Hucker wrote:
I would like to see a "video ref" as in rugby with each team having 3 challenges per match, so as not to slow the game up.
On another note. Luke Shaw and his pace.
Gareth Bale played left back for Saints, moved to midfield with Spurs, and is now the most expensive player in the world.
Why don't we do the same with LS? put him in midfield and say just do it.
I have heard we have a good up and coming left back at the Academy for cover. Its just a thought.
He hasn't learnt how to shoot straight yet.
[quote][p][bold]Rudolf Hucker[/bold] wrote: I would like to see a "video ref" as in rugby with each team having 3 challenges per match, so as not to slow the game up. On another note. Luke Shaw and his pace. Gareth Bale played left back for Saints, moved to midfield with Spurs, and is now the most expensive player in the world. Why don't we do the same with LS? put him in midfield and say just do it. I have heard we have a good up and coming left back at the Academy for cover. Its just a thought.[/p][/quote]He hasn't learnt how to shoot straight yet. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

3:16pm Mon 21 Apr 14

warrens 76 says...

A lot has been made by others (and me) about our lack of goals…except most succesful campaigns are marked by out by many lucky 1-0's or the odd goal ….ask mufco and the 4rse…
Had we received the penalties we rightly deserved we would have had many points putting us up near top or there or thereabouts.
A lot has been made by others (and me) about our lack of goals…except most succesful campaigns are marked by out by many lucky 1-0's or the odd goal ….ask mufco and the 4rse… Had we received the penalties we rightly deserved we would have had many points putting us up near top or there or thereabouts. warrens 76
  • Score: 0

3:32pm Mon 21 Apr 14

george chivers says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Warrens suggested elsewhere that bad decisions have cost Saints about 15 points this season - I can't disagree with that figure.

As others have said on these threads, the club should get an independent, qualified ref to look through the whole season and highlight all the controversial decisions - for and against us.

What I would like this to result in is a report which can be presented to the FA to 'help officials in their difficult job' rather than being presented as an attack on the FA and their 'men in black'.

What IS clear is that these things haven't evened themselves out over this season - not by a country mile.
Should be done for every team in the PL, then construct a case for more technology and ex players being fast tracked as referees, so the standard of decision making can be raised. The same could be done for other aspects of the game.

But I doubt the PL would support it or the FA, certainly not the FA which is populated by conservative non creative thinkers. But a very good idea Strassie/Warrens. I support it 100%.
no no no no no! technology is NOT the answer!
what would have happened if the handball decision had gone to a video ref? when would you stop play? how long for? we as fans enjoy a fast flowing game but introduce technology and games will go to a stop start bore fest which will then allow tv companies to insert adverts into the breaks, and once they start that it will never end!
who makes the decision on each offence and whether it should be looked at by a video ref? well unless you give managers the ability to challenge the decisions it will still be down to the refs. so if we allow managers to challenge decisions, do they get a limit on how many they can use? if so you will still get poor decisions, so no change there. managers will also be very crafty with their challenges and will use them to stop play when it looks like they may concede a goal.
so we will have an imperfect system which will be abused by managers (cricketers have learnt to abuse the replay decision system) to affect the result unfairly which is the last thing we want! take lallas goal against Newcastle, if their manager had challenged corks tackle in the lead up to the goal would the ref stop play straight away or wait for a stop in play? some refs would have given a foul and some wouldn't. would officials give decisions or wait to see if there is a challenge? would the lino have given lalla offside against villa? cricket umpires prefer to go to a video replay instead of giving run-outs that are clear to see and they would have had no problem giving before the videos.
you then have the problem that most decisions in football are subjective, fouls, dives, handballs etc can be, and are still argued over by pundits and the media even after watching replay after replay in super slow-mo. decisions like the villa handball, if challenged, would still be decided by a ref and each ref can still see things differently and the wrong decision can still be made. some of the media and pundits are saying it was a nailed on pen whilst others think it wasn't.
we need to give refs and linos more help instead of taking away their powers. lets have 2 more linos so that they aren't asked to make a decision on which way a throw in has gone from 50yrds away, lets punish divers with a 1-3 game ban, use videos after the game to punish them if needed. lets give refs an opportunity to come out after a game and talk through some of the decisions they made, and lets not hound them if they admit they might have made a mistake.
the game of football isn't perfect and whilst we still have refs on the pitch wrong decisions will still be made, but compare that to the alternative! we could end up with a sterile game where every tackle, offside etc is looked at over and over again by a panel of refs sat in a booth away from the action and unable to talk to the players, a stop start game filled with advert breaks (if watching on tv) that could last for hours.
sorry but I would rather have refs making an on the spot decision than that.
The time will come when technology can make instance decisions display them on a screen and communicate with the fans in the stadium. I live for that day. No more referees.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Warrens suggested elsewhere that bad decisions have cost Saints about 15 points this season - I can't disagree with that figure. As others have said on these threads, the club should get an independent, qualified ref to look through the whole season and highlight all the controversial decisions - for and against us. What I would like this to result in is a report which can be presented to the FA to 'help officials in their difficult job' rather than being presented as an attack on the FA and their 'men in black'. What IS clear is that these things haven't evened themselves out over this season - not by a country mile.[/p][/quote]Should be done for every team in the PL, then construct a case for more technology and ex players being fast tracked as referees, so the standard of decision making can be raised. The same could be done for other aspects of the game. But I doubt the PL would support it or the FA, certainly not the FA which is populated by conservative non creative thinkers. But a very good idea Strassie/Warrens. I support it 100%.[/p][/quote]no no no no no! technology is NOT the answer! what would have happened if the handball decision had gone to a video ref? when would you stop play? how long for? we as fans enjoy a fast flowing game but introduce technology and games will go to a stop start bore fest which will then allow tv companies to insert adverts into the breaks, and once they start that it will never end! who makes the decision on each offence and whether it should be looked at by a video ref? well unless you give managers the ability to challenge the decisions it will still be down to the refs. so if we allow managers to challenge decisions, do they get a limit on how many they can use? if so you will still get poor decisions, so no change there. managers will also be very crafty with their challenges and will use them to stop play when it looks like they may concede a goal. so we will have an imperfect system which will be abused by managers (cricketers have learnt to abuse the replay decision system) to affect the result unfairly which is the last thing we want! take lallas goal against Newcastle, if their manager had challenged corks tackle in the lead up to the goal would the ref stop play straight away or wait for a stop in play? some refs would have given a foul and some wouldn't. would officials give decisions or wait to see if there is a challenge? would the lino have given lalla offside against villa? cricket umpires prefer to go to a video replay instead of giving run-outs that are clear to see and they would have had no problem giving before the videos. you then have the problem that most decisions in football are subjective, fouls, dives, handballs etc can be, and are still argued over by pundits and the media even after watching replay after replay in super slow-mo. decisions like the villa handball, if challenged, would still be decided by a ref and each ref can still see things differently and the wrong decision can still be made. some of the media and pundits are saying it was a nailed on pen whilst others think it wasn't. we need to give refs and linos more help instead of taking away their powers. lets have 2 more linos so that they aren't asked to make a decision on which way a throw in has gone from 50yrds away, lets punish divers with a 1-3 game ban, use videos after the game to punish them if needed. lets give refs an opportunity to come out after a game and talk through some of the decisions they made, and lets not hound them if they admit they might have made a mistake. the game of football isn't perfect and whilst we still have refs on the pitch wrong decisions will still be made, but compare that to the alternative! we could end up with a sterile game where every tackle, offside etc is looked at over and over again by a panel of refs sat in a booth away from the action and unable to talk to the players, a stop start game filled with advert breaks (if watching on tv) that could last for hours. sorry but I would rather have refs making an on the spot decision than that.[/p][/quote]The time will come when technology can make instance decisions display them on a screen and communicate with the fans in the stadium. I live for that day. No more referees. george chivers
  • Score: 0

3:33pm Mon 21 Apr 14

george chivers says...

george chivers wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Warrens suggested elsewhere that bad decisions have cost Saints about 15 points this season - I can't disagree with that figure.

As others have said on these threads, the club should get an independent, qualified ref to look through the whole season and highlight all the controversial decisions - for and against us.

What I would like this to result in is a report which can be presented to the FA to 'help officials in their difficult job' rather than being presented as an attack on the FA and their 'men in black'.

What IS clear is that these things haven't evened themselves out over this season - not by a country mile.
Should be done for every team in the PL, then construct a case for more technology and ex players being fast tracked as referees, so the standard of decision making can be raised. The same could be done for other aspects of the game.

But I doubt the PL would support it or the FA, certainly not the FA which is populated by conservative non creative thinkers. But a very good idea Strassie/Warrens. I support it 100%.
no no no no no! technology is NOT the answer!
what would have happened if the handball decision had gone to a video ref? when would you stop play? how long for? we as fans enjoy a fast flowing game but introduce technology and games will go to a stop start bore fest which will then allow tv companies to insert adverts into the breaks, and once they start that it will never end!
who makes the decision on each offence and whether it should be looked at by a video ref? well unless you give managers the ability to challenge the decisions it will still be down to the refs. so if we allow managers to challenge decisions, do they get a limit on how many they can use? if so you will still get poor decisions, so no change there. managers will also be very crafty with their challenges and will use them to stop play when it looks like they may concede a goal.
so we will have an imperfect system which will be abused by managers (cricketers have learnt to abuse the replay decision system) to affect the result unfairly which is the last thing we want! take lallas goal against Newcastle, if their manager had challenged corks tackle in the lead up to the goal would the ref stop play straight away or wait for a stop in play? some refs would have given a foul and some wouldn't. would officials give decisions or wait to see if there is a challenge? would the lino have given lalla offside against villa? cricket umpires prefer to go to a video replay instead of giving run-outs that are clear to see and they would have had no problem giving before the videos.
you then have the problem that most decisions in football are subjective, fouls, dives, handballs etc can be, and are still argued over by pundits and the media even after watching replay after replay in super slow-mo. decisions like the villa handball, if challenged, would still be decided by a ref and each ref can still see things differently and the wrong decision can still be made. some of the media and pundits are saying it was a nailed on pen whilst others think it wasn't.
we need to give refs and linos more help instead of taking away their powers. lets have 2 more linos so that they aren't asked to make a decision on which way a throw in has gone from 50yrds away, lets punish divers with a 1-3 game ban, use videos after the game to punish them if needed. lets give refs an opportunity to come out after a game and talk through some of the decisions they made, and lets not hound them if they admit they might have made a mistake.
the game of football isn't perfect and whilst we still have refs on the pitch wrong decisions will still be made, but compare that to the alternative! we could end up with a sterile game where every tackle, offside etc is looked at over and over again by a panel of refs sat in a booth away from the action and unable to talk to the players, a stop start game filled with advert breaks (if watching on tv) that could last for hours.
sorry but I would rather have refs making an on the spot decision than that.
The time will come when technology can make instance decisions display them on a screen and communicate with the fans in the stadium. I live for that day. No more referees.
Or will even make instant decisions.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Warrens suggested elsewhere that bad decisions have cost Saints about 15 points this season - I can't disagree with that figure. As others have said on these threads, the club should get an independent, qualified ref to look through the whole season and highlight all the controversial decisions - for and against us. What I would like this to result in is a report which can be presented to the FA to 'help officials in their difficult job' rather than being presented as an attack on the FA and their 'men in black'. What IS clear is that these things haven't evened themselves out over this season - not by a country mile.[/p][/quote]Should be done for every team in the PL, then construct a case for more technology and ex players being fast tracked as referees, so the standard of decision making can be raised. The same could be done for other aspects of the game. But I doubt the PL would support it or the FA, certainly not the FA which is populated by conservative non creative thinkers. But a very good idea Strassie/Warrens. I support it 100%.[/p][/quote]no no no no no! technology is NOT the answer! what would have happened if the handball decision had gone to a video ref? when would you stop play? how long for? we as fans enjoy a fast flowing game but introduce technology and games will go to a stop start bore fest which will then allow tv companies to insert adverts into the breaks, and once they start that it will never end! who makes the decision on each offence and whether it should be looked at by a video ref? well unless you give managers the ability to challenge the decisions it will still be down to the refs. so if we allow managers to challenge decisions, do they get a limit on how many they can use? if so you will still get poor decisions, so no change there. managers will also be very crafty with their challenges and will use them to stop play when it looks like they may concede a goal. so we will have an imperfect system which will be abused by managers (cricketers have learnt to abuse the replay decision system) to affect the result unfairly which is the last thing we want! take lallas goal against Newcastle, if their manager had challenged corks tackle in the lead up to the goal would the ref stop play straight away or wait for a stop in play? some refs would have given a foul and some wouldn't. would officials give decisions or wait to see if there is a challenge? would the lino have given lalla offside against villa? cricket umpires prefer to go to a video replay instead of giving run-outs that are clear to see and they would have had no problem giving before the videos. you then have the problem that most decisions in football are subjective, fouls, dives, handballs etc can be, and are still argued over by pundits and the media even after watching replay after replay in super slow-mo. decisions like the villa handball, if challenged, would still be decided by a ref and each ref can still see things differently and the wrong decision can still be made. some of the media and pundits are saying it was a nailed on pen whilst others think it wasn't. we need to give refs and linos more help instead of taking away their powers. lets have 2 more linos so that they aren't asked to make a decision on which way a throw in has gone from 50yrds away, lets punish divers with a 1-3 game ban, use videos after the game to punish them if needed. lets give refs an opportunity to come out after a game and talk through some of the decisions they made, and lets not hound them if they admit they might have made a mistake. the game of football isn't perfect and whilst we still have refs on the pitch wrong decisions will still be made, but compare that to the alternative! we could end up with a sterile game where every tackle, offside etc is looked at over and over again by a panel of refs sat in a booth away from the action and unable to talk to the players, a stop start game filled with advert breaks (if watching on tv) that could last for hours. sorry but I would rather have refs making an on the spot decision than that.[/p][/quote]The time will come when technology can make instance decisions display them on a screen and communicate with the fans in the stadium. I live for that day. No more referees.[/p][/quote]Or will even make instant decisions. george chivers
  • Score: -1

4:07pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Costa Baz says...

warrens 76 wrote:
saint christopher wrote:
MoPo, please don't keep covering up your team's shortcomings by turning into another Wenger, Moyes or Morhino. The reason our season is tailing off to such an extent that we are likely to finish 9th or 10th rather than the 7th we should have reached is because we've stopped being able to keep the ball out of our own net and increasingly find it impossible to put it in the opposition's net, even when we have 70% of the possession. Yes there may be contributing factors but please let's be honest regarding our current shortcomings and not revert to blaming everything and everybody else.
Close on 70% possession in most games, most chances created and we still lose or draw does tell i'ts own story St C…even though our fellow fans might not agree.
Don't understand your point.
Most of the fans and the manager seem in agreement on the same things. For all the possession we have, we are not clinical enough.
The manager has every right to mention poor refereeing decisions, because they have an impact on results.
You might not agree.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: MoPo, please don't keep covering up your team's shortcomings by turning into another Wenger, Moyes or Morhino. The reason our season is tailing off to such an extent that we are likely to finish 9th or 10th rather than the 7th we should have reached is because we've stopped being able to keep the ball out of our own net and increasingly find it impossible to put it in the opposition's net, even when we have 70% of the possession. Yes there may be contributing factors but please let's be honest regarding our current shortcomings and not revert to blaming everything and everybody else.[/p][/quote]Close on 70% possession in most games, most chances created and we still lose or draw does tell i'ts own story St C…even though our fellow fans might not agree.[/p][/quote]Don't understand your point. Most of the fans and the manager seem in agreement on the same things. For all the possession we have, we are not clinical enough. The manager has every right to mention poor refereeing decisions, because they have an impact on results. You might not agree. Costa Baz
  • Score: 2

4:31pm Mon 21 Apr 14

peregrine73 says...

Costa Baz wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
saint christopher wrote:
MoPo, please don't keep covering up your team's shortcomings by turning into another Wenger, Moyes or Morhino. The reason our season is tailing off to such an extent that we are likely to finish 9th or 10th rather than the 7th we should have reached is because we've stopped being able to keep the ball out of our own net and increasingly find it impossible to put it in the opposition's net, even when we have 70% of the possession. Yes there may be contributing factors but please let's be honest regarding our current shortcomings and not revert to blaming everything and everybody else.
Close on 70% possession in most games, most chances created and we still lose or draw does tell i'ts own story St C…even though our fellow fans might not agree.
Don't understand your point.
Most of the fans and the manager seem in agreement on the same things. For all the possession we have, we are not clinical enough.
The manager has every right to mention poor refereeing decisions, because they have an impact on results.
You might not agree.
The point is obvious: convert some of the numerous chances we have made this season and we would have many more points in the bag.Good build up play wasted by lack of decisive finishing.Address this problem and we will be right up there next season,even when referee decisions go against us.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: MoPo, please don't keep covering up your team's shortcomings by turning into another Wenger, Moyes or Morhino. The reason our season is tailing off to such an extent that we are likely to finish 9th or 10th rather than the 7th we should have reached is because we've stopped being able to keep the ball out of our own net and increasingly find it impossible to put it in the opposition's net, even when we have 70% of the possession. Yes there may be contributing factors but please let's be honest regarding our current shortcomings and not revert to blaming everything and everybody else.[/p][/quote]Close on 70% possession in most games, most chances created and we still lose or draw does tell i'ts own story St C…even though our fellow fans might not agree.[/p][/quote]Don't understand your point. Most of the fans and the manager seem in agreement on the same things. For all the possession we have, we are not clinical enough. The manager has every right to mention poor refereeing decisions, because they have an impact on results. You might not agree.[/p][/quote]The point is obvious: convert some of the numerous chances we have made this season and we would have many more points in the bag.Good build up play wasted by lack of decisive finishing.Address this problem and we will be right up there next season,even when referee decisions go against us. peregrine73
  • Score: 0

4:51pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Malcombe says...

Once again be on your guard Southampton FC and all loyal Supporters because Man U are about to give Moyes the elbow and that means MoPo will be linked to another I quote top Club the vacancy has to be filled, Sir Alex in the mean time will hold the Forte not a problem to him until the end of the season
Once again be on your guard Southampton FC and all loyal Supporters because Man U are about to give Moyes the elbow and that means MoPo will be linked to another I quote top Club the vacancy has to be filled, Sir Alex in the mean time will hold the Forte not a problem to him until the end of the season Malcombe
  • Score: 1

5:07pm Mon 21 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Malcombe wrote:
Once again be on your guard Southampton FC and all loyal Supporters because Man U are about to give Moyes the elbow and that means MoPo will be linked to another I quote top Club the vacancy has to be filled, Sir Alex in the mean time will hold the Forte not a problem to him until the end of the season
I would be more worried about the new manager syndrome affecting us again, and SAF can keep his hands off of Jonathan unless he is going to sign him.
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Once again be on your guard Southampton FC and all loyal Supporters because Man U are about to give Moyes the elbow and that means MoPo will be linked to another I quote top Club the vacancy has to be filled, Sir Alex in the mean time will hold the Forte not a problem to him until the end of the season[/p][/quote]I would be more worried about the new manager syndrome affecting us again, and SAF can keep his hands off of Jonathan unless he is going to sign him. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

5:28pm Mon 21 Apr 14

st bevois says...

warrens 76 wrote:
A lot has been made by others (and me) about our lack of goals…except most succesful campaigns are marked by out by many lucky 1-0's or the odd goal ….ask mufco and the 4rse…
Had we received the penalties we rightly deserved we would have had many points putting us up near top or there or thereabouts.
Agree - Its also about when he incidents occurred at key moments. Saturday 1-0 to us. Everton 1-1 would have equalised. Liverpool home would have made it 1-1 and we were well on top. Having seen the match choice highlights again there was an earlier identical handball decision not give to us just outside the box. Also what about the challenge on Clyne right at the end just inside the box - no one has made much of that but Sky commentators took a sharp intake of breath - anyone else from the top 6 and you wonder but he was giving us nothing on Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: A lot has been made by others (and me) about our lack of goals…except most succesful campaigns are marked by out by many lucky 1-0's or the odd goal ….ask mufco and the 4rse… Had we received the penalties we rightly deserved we would have had many points putting us up near top or there or thereabouts.[/p][/quote]Agree - Its also about when he incidents occurred at key moments. Saturday 1-0 to us. Everton 1-1 would have equalised. Liverpool home would have made it 1-1 and we were well on top. Having seen the match choice highlights again there was an earlier identical handball decision not give to us just outside the box. Also what about the challenge on Clyne right at the end just inside the box - no one has made much of that but Sky commentators took a sharp intake of breath - anyone else from the top 6 and you wonder but he was giving us nothing on Saturday. st bevois
  • Score: 2

5:37pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

Linesman wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Linesman wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way.

Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that.

One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning.

Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.
Two words. Rickie Lambert.
Swim on skate.
Name calling cannot alter the FACT that player do miss penalties.

You may never have seen a Saints player miss a penalty, but I have, and have seen Internationals miss them as well.

On the balance of play on Saturday, there should have been no need to have relied on a spot kick to get a win, and blaming the ref is a pretty poor excuse for not doing so.
Rubbish. You are right that nobody is certain to score from a penalty . The plain fact is that we were HIGHLY likely to have scored from it and that would VERY PROBABLY have resulted in a 1-0 victory. It doesn't matter if we miss 100 chances and score a penalty , we still get three points.
Would you have bet against Stuart Pearce scoring from the spot in the Euro 96 Quarter Final?
As I said above every player can miss. Read what I said. If I could bet on SRL scoring every time he took a penalty I think I would be well ahead. If you can't accept that a player who hasn't yet missed a penalty is likely to score the next time there is clearly no point arguing with you.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way. Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that. One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning. Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.[/p][/quote]Two words. Rickie Lambert. Swim on skate.[/p][/quote]Name calling cannot alter the FACT that player do miss penalties. You may never have seen a Saints player miss a penalty, but I have, and have seen Internationals miss them as well. On the balance of play on Saturday, there should have been no need to have relied on a spot kick to get a win, and blaming the ref is a pretty poor excuse for not doing so.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. You are right that nobody is certain to score from a penalty . The plain fact is that we were HIGHLY likely to have scored from it and that would VERY PROBABLY have resulted in a 1-0 victory. It doesn't matter if we miss 100 chances and score a penalty , we still get three points.[/p][/quote]Would you have bet against Stuart Pearce scoring from the spot in the Euro 96 Quarter Final?[/p][/quote]As I said above every player can miss. Read what I said. If I could bet on SRL scoring every time he took a penalty I think I would be well ahead. If you can't accept that a player who hasn't yet missed a penalty is likely to score the next time there is clearly no point arguing with you. Clever Dick
  • Score: 3

5:54pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Rudolf Hucker wrote:
I would like to see a "video ref" as in rugby with each team having 3 challenges per match, so as not to slow the game up.
On another note. Luke Shaw and his pace.
Gareth Bale played left back for Saints, moved to midfield with Spurs, and is now the most expensive player in the world.
Why don't we do the same with LS? put him in midfield and say just do it.
I have heard we have a good up and coming left back at the Academy for cover. Its just a thought.
Having the forth official sat in front of a monitor,and in direct contact with the pitch ref, would be more beneficial than just having them hopping around shouting "leave it Jose" or " leave it Pard's..he's not worth it!"
[quote][p][bold]Rudolf Hucker[/bold] wrote: I would like to see a "video ref" as in rugby with each team having 3 challenges per match, so as not to slow the game up. On another note. Luke Shaw and his pace. Gareth Bale played left back for Saints, moved to midfield with Spurs, and is now the most expensive player in the world. Why don't we do the same with LS? put him in midfield and say just do it. I have heard we have a good up and coming left back at the Academy for cover. Its just a thought.[/p][/quote]Having the forth official sat in front of a monitor,and in direct contact with the pitch ref, would be more beneficial than just having them hopping around shouting "leave it Jose" or " leave it Pard's..he's not worth it!" Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

6:24pm Mon 21 Apr 14

pompey in spain says...

And your dreams were shattered today.............PL
AY UP POMPEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!! STICK THAT ON A BANNER AND FLY IT HIGH!!
And your dreams were shattered today.............PL AY UP POMPEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! STICK THAT ON A BANNER AND FLY IT HIGH!! pompey in spain
  • Score: -15

6:57pm Mon 21 Apr 14

shesaint says...

Linesman wrote:
Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way.

Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that.

One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning.

Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.
Things shouldn't have to "even out". The correct decisions should be made in the first place, and if officials aren't up to the job, they shouldn't be doing it. I understand that humans can make mistakes, but why are the footballing ones usually in favour of big teams? Technology is used in rugby, tennis, and cricket and I don't see much of a delay in any matches in these sports, so why not introduce in to football? Wrong decisions by officials could get teams relegated and cause them to lose millions of pounds.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way. Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that. One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning. Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.[/p][/quote]Things shouldn't have to "even out". The correct decisions should be made in the first place, and if officials aren't up to the job, they shouldn't be doing it. I understand that humans can make mistakes, but why are the footballing ones usually in favour of big teams? Technology is used in rugby, tennis, and cricket and I don't see much of a delay in any matches in these sports, so why not introduce in to football? Wrong decisions by officials could get teams relegated and cause them to lose millions of pounds. shesaint
  • Score: 2

7:04pm Mon 21 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

pompey in spain wrote:
And your dreams were shattered today.............PL

AY UP POMPEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!! STICK THAT ON A BANNER AND FLY IT HIGH!!
I think you will find 99% of Saints fans don't actually care about yout tinpot outfit let alone dream about them.
[quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: And your dreams were shattered today.............PL AY UP POMPEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! STICK THAT ON A BANNER AND FLY IT HIGH!![/p][/quote]I think you will find 99% of Saints fans don't actually care about yout tinpot outfit let alone dream about them. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 11

7:22pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Malcombe says...

OSPREYSAINT I love your comments but sorry who is Jonathan?

I'm so fed up reading that Spurs want Potch, why can't League Chairman leave others alone to Manage and only approach if the Manager has been sacked or walks out? I hate this uncertainty and I am sure you do
OSPREYSAINT I love your comments but sorry who is Jonathan? I'm so fed up reading that Spurs want Potch, why can't League Chairman leave others alone to Manage and only approach if the Manager has been sacked or walks out? I hate this uncertainty and I am sure you do Malcombe
  • Score: 0

7:27pm Mon 21 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Malcombe wrote:
OSPREYSAINT I love your comments but sorry who is Jonathan?

I'm so fed up reading that Spurs want Potch, why can't League Chairman leave others alone to Manage and only approach if the Manager has been sacked or walks out? I hate this uncertainty and I am sure you do
I am not surprised you don't know a forgotten player on our books, Jonathan Forte, he helped us gain promotion and hasn't been seen much since.
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: OSPREYSAINT I love your comments but sorry who is Jonathan? I'm so fed up reading that Spurs want Potch, why can't League Chairman leave others alone to Manage and only approach if the Manager has been sacked or walks out? I hate this uncertainty and I am sure you do[/p][/quote]I am not surprised you don't know a forgotten player on our books, Jonathan Forte, he helped us gain promotion and hasn't been seen much since. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

8:08pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Malcombe says...

OSPREYSAINT Sorry mate my comment is meant to say Sir Alex will hold the Fort and you are right I'd forgotten about Jonathan Forte but that's easy done when he's not part of the revolution which I hope will continue next season with all the existing Players and the best Manager in the world Mauricio Potchettino because the Players and Supporters the Staff love him
OSPREYSAINT Sorry mate my comment is meant to say Sir Alex will hold the Fort and you are right I'd forgotten about Jonathan Forte but that's easy done when he's not part of the revolution which I hope will continue next season with all the existing Players and the best Manager in the world Mauricio Potchettino because the Players and Supporters the Staff love him Malcombe
  • Score: 0

8:13pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

shesaint wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way.

Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that.

One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning.

Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.
Things shouldn't have to "even out". The correct decisions should be made in the first place, and if officials aren't up to the job, they shouldn't be doing it. I understand that humans can make mistakes, but why are the footballing ones usually in favour of big teams? Technology is used in rugby, tennis, and cricket and I don't see much of a delay in any matches in these sports, so why not introduce in to football? Wrong decisions by officials could get teams relegated and cause them to lose millions of pounds.
You are right. Most contentious decisions cause a delay in the play anyway. It isn't necessary to hold up play for ages and there is no real need for an appeal to be put into the hands of a team captain. We have all seen how quickly wrong decisions can be highlighted on SKY. It just needs a video ref. relaying the information which can be done in seconds. A quick replay on the screen for all to see why play has been stopped so there can be no dispute. Football unfortunately is becoming a laughing stock because a very high percentage of games are being ruined by game changing mistakes by biased and/or incompetent officials.
[quote][p][bold]shesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way. Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that. One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning. Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.[/p][/quote]Things shouldn't have to "even out". The correct decisions should be made in the first place, and if officials aren't up to the job, they shouldn't be doing it. I understand that humans can make mistakes, but why are the footballing ones usually in favour of big teams? Technology is used in rugby, tennis, and cricket and I don't see much of a delay in any matches in these sports, so why not introduce in to football? Wrong decisions by officials could get teams relegated and cause them to lose millions of pounds.[/p][/quote]You are right. Most contentious decisions cause a delay in the play anyway. It isn't necessary to hold up play for ages and there is no real need for an appeal to be put into the hands of a team captain. We have all seen how quickly wrong decisions can be highlighted on SKY. It just needs a video ref. relaying the information which can be done in seconds. A quick replay on the screen for all to see why play has been stopped so there can be no dispute. Football unfortunately is becoming a laughing stock because a very high percentage of games are being ruined by game changing mistakes by biased and/or incompetent officials. Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

8:18pm Mon 21 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Malcombe wrote:
OSPREYSAINT Sorry mate my comment is meant to say Sir Alex will hold the Fort and you are right I'd forgotten about Jonathan Forte but that's easy done when he's not part of the revolution which I hope will continue next season with all the existing Players and the best Manager in the world Mauricio Potchettino because the Players and Supporters the Staff love him
No worries, gave me an opportunity to tease!
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: OSPREYSAINT Sorry mate my comment is meant to say Sir Alex will hold the Fort and you are right I'd forgotten about Jonathan Forte but that's easy done when he's not part of the revolution which I hope will continue next season with all the existing Players and the best Manager in the world Mauricio Potchettino because the Players and Supporters the Staff love him[/p][/quote]No worries, gave me an opportunity to tease! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

9:09pm Mon 21 Apr 14

promised land says...

pompey in spain wrote:
And your dreams were shattered today.............PL

AY UP POMPEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!! STICK THAT ON A BANNER AND FLY IT HIGH!!
Big day for you. No doubt you'll be getting the open top bus out ? But then again were you not favourites to go up ? Big failure !
[quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: And your dreams were shattered today.............PL AY UP POMPEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! STICK THAT ON A BANNER AND FLY IT HIGH!![/p][/quote]Big day for you. No doubt you'll be getting the open top bus out ? But then again were you not favourites to go up ? Big failure ! promised land
  • Score: 4

10:11pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

promised land wrote:
pompey in spain wrote:
And your dreams were shattered today.............PL


AY UP POMPEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!!!!!!!!!!! STICK THAT ON A BANNER AND FLY IT HIGH!!
Big day for you. No doubt you'll be getting the open top bus out ? But then again were you not favourites to go up ? Big failure !
I think we are being a bit hard on the filthy skunts. I mean we've been improving year on year and now they are doing the same. A year without relegation is a definite improvement for them. Like us they have a five year plan since administration. Another couple of years stumbling along near the bottom of the bargain basement and then a total collapse and into the Conference.
[quote][p][bold]promised land[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: And your dreams were shattered today.............PL AY UP POMPEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! STICK THAT ON A BANNER AND FLY IT HIGH!![/p][/quote]Big day for you. No doubt you'll be getting the open top bus out ? But then again were you not favourites to go up ? Big failure ![/p][/quote]I think we are being a bit hard on the filthy skunts. I mean we've been improving year on year and now they are doing the same. A year without relegation is a definite improvement for them. Like us they have a five year plan since administration. Another couple of years stumbling along near the bottom of the bargain basement and then a total collapse and into the Conference. Clever Dick
  • Score: 7

11:17pm Mon 21 Apr 14

BracknellSaint says...

st.athan saint wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
The poor decisions have definitely cost us the chance for a number of points this year. But at the same time poor finishing has been our blight this year.
As fantastic as our play has been, we've got to add a cutting edge to move upwards next year. And as wonderful as Rickie, Adam and Jay have been all season, they all need to take their finishing up a level for me, especially with their international ambitions.

On another note, see the Daily Mail are at it again. Dressing it up as an attack on Platini and UEFA/ FIFA, but the way it's written as though it's a given that all our lads will leave to join the big boys...Is it just me that gets wound up?

http://www.dailymail


.co.uk/sport/footbal


l/article-2609004/MA


RTIN-SAMUEL-Why-Sout


hampton-sign-stars-l


ike-Christian-Bentek


e-Robin-van-Persie-J


ohn-Terry-instead-se


ll-sell-sell.html
Sorry don't see MS piece that way at all.In fact what he writes if anything is sympathetic to saints position in relation to FFP.If I recall Cortese voted against when he was in charge.Reality is LS will probably go in summer (AL - not so sure )
But the article is basically stating that it's inevitable and obvious we will have to sell this summer, because a 'bug' club will come calling, and we can't buy players good enough to persuade them to stay..
But...what if, we keep them as we don't need the money,and we have them on long term deals? And we add a couple to the standard of Lovren? And we bring through Reed, Isgtove, Sims, Targett etc too next year? And Gallagher breaks through? And with better finishing, we push for 6th? I prefer that scenario..
[quote][p][bold]st.athan saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: The poor decisions have definitely cost us the chance for a number of points this year. But at the same time poor finishing has been our blight this year. As fantastic as our play has been, we've got to add a cutting edge to move upwards next year. And as wonderful as Rickie, Adam and Jay have been all season, they all need to take their finishing up a level for me, especially with their international ambitions. On another note, see the Daily Mail are at it again. Dressing it up as an attack on Platini and UEFA/ FIFA, but the way it's written as though it's a given that all our lads will leave to join the big boys...Is it just me that gets wound up? http://www.dailymail .co.uk/sport/footbal l/article-2609004/MA RTIN-SAMUEL-Why-Sout hampton-sign-stars-l ike-Christian-Bentek e-Robin-van-Persie-J ohn-Terry-instead-se ll-sell-sell.html[/p][/quote]Sorry don't see MS piece that way at all.In fact what he writes if anything is sympathetic to saints position in relation to FFP.If I recall Cortese voted against when he was in charge.Reality is LS will probably go in summer (AL - not so sure )[/p][/quote]But the article is basically stating that it's inevitable and obvious we will have to sell this summer, because a 'bug' club will come calling, and we can't buy players good enough to persuade them to stay.. But...what if, we keep them as we don't need the money,and we have them on long term deals? And we add a couple to the standard of Lovren? And we bring through Reed, Isgtove, Sims, Targett etc too next year? And Gallagher breaks through? And with better finishing, we push for 6th? I prefer that scenario.. BracknellSaint
  • Score: 3

11:18pm Mon 21 Apr 14

BracknellSaint says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
st.athan saint wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
The poor decisions have definitely cost us the chance for a number of points this year. But at the same time poor finishing has been our blight this year.
As fantastic as our play has been, we've got to add a cutting edge to move upwards next year. And as wonderful as Rickie, Adam and Jay have been all season, they all need to take their finishing up a level for me, especially with their international ambitions.

On another note, see the Daily Mail are at it again. Dressing it up as an attack on Platini and UEFA/ FIFA, but the way it's written as though it's a given that all our lads will leave to join the big boys...Is it just me that gets wound up?

http://www.dailymail



.co.uk/sport/footbal



l/article-2609004/MA



RTIN-SAMUEL-Why-Sout



hampton-sign-stars-l



ike-Christian-Bentek



e-Robin-van-Persie-J



ohn-Terry-instead-se



ll-sell-sell.html
Sorry don't see MS piece that way at all.In fact what he writes if anything is sympathetic to saints position in relation to FFP.If I recall Cortese voted against when he was in charge.Reality is LS will probably go in summer (AL - not so sure )
But the article is basically stating that it's inevitable and obvious we will have to sell this summer, because a 'bug' club will come calling, and we can't buy players good enough to persuade them to stay..
But...what if, we keep them as we don't need the money,and we have them on long term deals? And we add a couple to the standard of Lovren? And we bring through Reed, Isgtove, Sims, Targett etc too next year? And Gallagher breaks through? And with better finishing, we push for 6th? I prefer that scenario..
B#@ger...Big....Isgr
ove...stupid phone...
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st.athan saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: The poor decisions have definitely cost us the chance for a number of points this year. But at the same time poor finishing has been our blight this year. As fantastic as our play has been, we've got to add a cutting edge to move upwards next year. And as wonderful as Rickie, Adam and Jay have been all season, they all need to take their finishing up a level for me, especially with their international ambitions. On another note, see the Daily Mail are at it again. Dressing it up as an attack on Platini and UEFA/ FIFA, but the way it's written as though it's a given that all our lads will leave to join the big boys...Is it just me that gets wound up? http://www.dailymail .co.uk/sport/footbal l/article-2609004/MA RTIN-SAMUEL-Why-Sout hampton-sign-stars-l ike-Christian-Bentek e-Robin-van-Persie-J ohn-Terry-instead-se ll-sell-sell.html[/p][/quote]Sorry don't see MS piece that way at all.In fact what he writes if anything is sympathetic to saints position in relation to FFP.If I recall Cortese voted against when he was in charge.Reality is LS will probably go in summer (AL - not so sure )[/p][/quote]But the article is basically stating that it's inevitable and obvious we will have to sell this summer, because a 'bug' club will come calling, and we can't buy players good enough to persuade them to stay.. But...what if, we keep them as we don't need the money,and we have them on long term deals? And we add a couple to the standard of Lovren? And we bring through Reed, Isgtove, Sims, Targett etc too next year? And Gallagher breaks through? And with better finishing, we push for 6th? I prefer that scenario..[/p][/quote]B#@ger...Big....Isgr ove...stupid phone... BracknellSaint
  • Score: 1

2:07am Tue 22 Apr 14

DisplacedFan says...

Clever Dick wrote:
promised land wrote:
pompey in spain wrote:
And your dreams were shattered today.............PL



AY UP POMPEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



!!!!!!!!!!! STICK THAT ON A BANNER AND FLY IT HIGH!!
Big day for you. No doubt you'll be getting the open top bus out ? But then again were you not favourites to go up ? Big failure !
I think we are being a bit hard on the filthy skunts. I mean we've been improving year on year and now they are doing the same. A year without relegation is a definite improvement for them. Like us they have a five year plan since administration. Another couple of years stumbling along near the bottom of the bargain basement and then a total collapse and into the Conference.
Made my day!
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]promised land[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: And your dreams were shattered today.............PL AY UP POMPEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! STICK THAT ON A BANNER AND FLY IT HIGH!![/p][/quote]Big day for you. No doubt you'll be getting the open top bus out ? But then again were you not favourites to go up ? Big failure ![/p][/quote]I think we are being a bit hard on the filthy skunts. I mean we've been improving year on year and now they are doing the same. A year without relegation is a definite improvement for them. Like us they have a five year plan since administration. Another couple of years stumbling along near the bottom of the bargain basement and then a total collapse and into the Conference.[/p][/quote]Made my day! DisplacedFan
  • Score: 0

3:24am Tue 22 Apr 14

SiamSaint says...

Linesman wrote:
Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way.

Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that.

One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning.

Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.
Mmmm... there is if it's SRL kickin it
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Decisions balance out over the season. I have no doubt that opposition managers have often thought that decisions have not gone their way. Scoring chances have been missed and domination has not been turned into goals, and you can't blame refereeing decisions for that. One 'hand ball' decision missed in 90 minutes is a poor excuse for not winning. Lets face it, there is no guarantee that a penalty results in a goal.[/p][/quote]Mmmm... there is if it's SRL kickin it SiamSaint
  • Score: 0

3:25am Tue 22 Apr 14

SiamSaint says...

miltonarcher wrote:
The ball hit his arm but not sure it was arm to ball or intentional. He was very close to Clyne when the ball was kicked, not sure he could have avoided being hit. Anyway, why waste your breath Poch, this sort of things happens to all the teams in the Prem, just accept it and move on.
Funny how the top managers are the very one's who don't accept it. It's called mind games. Get the ref rattled early on.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: The ball hit his arm but not sure it was arm to ball or intentional. He was very close to Clyne when the ball was kicked, not sure he could have avoided being hit. Anyway, why waste your breath Poch, this sort of things happens to all the teams in the Prem, just accept it and move on.[/p][/quote]Funny how the top managers are the very one's who don't accept it. It's called mind games. Get the ref rattled early on. SiamSaint
  • Score: 0

9:24am Tue 22 Apr 14

Saintsayer II says...

Referees will continue to get the major decisions wrong all the time they fail to get the little things wrong They consistantly allow corners to be taken with the ball outside the quadrant, throw ins are taken from the wrong place one was about 40 yards away but was allowed because it was a loss of ground The thrower did gain an advantage though because he threw it back to the keeper He could not have done that from the half way line Encroacment at penaltys is a regular occurence and most should be re-taken if the laws were strictly applied
None of these things is a big deal individualy but collectively I believe they give the ref more problems Give them an inch they take a mile Look after the pennys and the pounds look after themselves ar 2 saying that spring to mind
Referees will continue to get the major decisions wrong all the time they fail to get the little things wrong They consistantly allow corners to be taken with the ball outside the quadrant, throw ins are taken from the wrong place one was about 40 yards away but was allowed because it was a loss of ground The thrower did gain an advantage though because he threw it back to the keeper He could not have done that from the half way line Encroacment at penaltys is a regular occurence and most should be re-taken if the laws were strictly applied None of these things is a big deal individualy but collectively I believe they give the ref more problems Give them an inch they take a mile Look after the pennys and the pounds look after themselves ar 2 saying that spring to mind Saintsayer II
  • Score: 2

9:41am Tue 22 Apr 14

lowe esteem says...

Looks like we were Shot Shy again, and left disputing a refereeing decision, so something we can improve on, then the 'marginal' decisions become less important.
Meanwhile, I can confirm that our friends down the road/divisions were VERY angry at our little flybe tribute stunt on Saturday. Their spare change a la 28/1/84 couldn't reach either, so they're now planning on burying more shirts- so lookout for more contamination.
Looks like we were Shot Shy again, and left disputing a refereeing decision, so something we can improve on, then the 'marginal' decisions become less important. Meanwhile, I can confirm that our friends down the road/divisions were VERY angry at our little flybe tribute stunt on Saturday. Their spare change a la 28/1/84 couldn't reach either, so they're now planning on burying more shirts- so lookout for more contamination. lowe esteem
  • Score: 0

1:26pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Alicesdad says...

This refereeing mallarkey is hiding the truly awful news and an even bigger corruption scandal ... that Eastleigh won't get a chance to humiliate the Naval Scrapyard next season... some incompetent ahd hopelessly biased referees have blatantly allowed the Scrapyard first eleven to scramble enough points to stay up in division four... now THAT should be looked into. I strongly detact the whiff of corruption and foul play. Surely there must be some reason to deduct them ten points -

Meanwhile we need to stop moaning and start again next season and simply stick the ball int the net a lot more. We CAN do it !! This season has shown what we can do, but we do need to do it all season.. we all know that depth of squad is the issue.
This refereeing mallarkey is hiding the truly awful news and an even bigger corruption scandal ... that Eastleigh won't get a chance to humiliate the Naval Scrapyard next season... some incompetent ahd hopelessly biased referees have blatantly allowed the Scrapyard first eleven to scramble enough points to stay up in division four... now THAT should be looked into. I strongly detact the whiff of corruption and foul play. Surely there must be some reason to deduct them ten points - Meanwhile we need to stop moaning and start again next season and simply stick the ball int the net a lot more. We CAN do it !! This season has shown what we can do, but we do need to do it all season.. we all know that depth of squad is the issue. Alicesdad
  • Score: 1

1:37pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Alicesdad says...

I wonder what shirts we will wear next year? Might as well start complaining now so we are all in good form when the new designs are published.

btw I actually heard MoPo give a very brief interview in English on the tellt the other week .. it wasn't the most eloquent outpouring but it shows he has enough to be able to understand all the questions and at least give a first impression. I must admit after this length of time in the UK he should be doing a lot more interviews in English ...

anyway ,, back to the shirts ... we have all been so swayed by the design excellence of our shirts, especially the away black variety that our inexorable move to the full Liverpool copy is now assured.... whoever thought that stripes should be bought back ??? For heaven sake just look the success that red has bought to Cardiff... it has been a revelation ... it must be the chinese year of the pigs ar$e or something .. it always brings good luck.
I wonder what shirts we will wear next year? Might as well start complaining now so we are all in good form when the new designs are published. btw I actually heard MoPo give a very brief interview in English on the tellt the other week .. it wasn't the most eloquent outpouring but it shows he has enough to be able to understand all the questions and at least give a first impression. I must admit after this length of time in the UK he should be doing a lot more interviews in English ... anyway ,, back to the shirts ... we have all been so swayed by the design excellence of our shirts, especially the away black variety that our inexorable move to the full Liverpool copy is now assured.... whoever thought that stripes should be bought back ??? For heaven sake just look the success that red has bought to Cardiff... it has been a revelation ... it must be the chinese year of the pigs ar$e or something .. it always brings good luck. Alicesdad
  • Score: 1

7:09pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

Alicesdad wrote:
I wonder what shirts we will wear next year? Might as well start complaining now so we are all in good form when the new designs are published.

btw I actually heard MoPo give a very brief interview in English on the tellt the other week .. it wasn't the most eloquent outpouring but it shows he has enough to be able to understand all the questions and at least give a first impression. I must admit after this length of time in the UK he should be doing a lot more interviews in English ...

anyway ,, back to the shirts ... we have all been so swayed by the design excellence of our shirts, especially the away black variety that our inexorable move to the full Liverpool copy is now assured.... whoever thought that stripes should be bought back ??? For heaven sake just look the success that red has bought to Cardiff... it has been a revelation ... it must be the chinese year of the pigs ar$e or something .. it always brings good luck.
I agree with you. We should get all the shirt arguments out of the way as early as possible. I think there are going to be some very disappointed fans. I have it on good authority that we are definitely not getting red and white stripes. They are going to be white and red!
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I wonder what shirts we will wear next year? Might as well start complaining now so we are all in good form when the new designs are published. btw I actually heard MoPo give a very brief interview in English on the tellt the other week .. it wasn't the most eloquent outpouring but it shows he has enough to be able to understand all the questions and at least give a first impression. I must admit after this length of time in the UK he should be doing a lot more interviews in English ... anyway ,, back to the shirts ... we have all been so swayed by the design excellence of our shirts, especially the away black variety that our inexorable move to the full Liverpool copy is now assured.... whoever thought that stripes should be bought back ??? For heaven sake just look the success that red has bought to Cardiff... it has been a revelation ... it must be the chinese year of the pigs ar$e or something .. it always brings good luck.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. We should get all the shirt arguments out of the way as early as possible. I think there are going to be some very disappointed fans. I have it on good authority that we are definitely not getting red and white stripes. They are going to be white and red! Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

11:12pm Tue 22 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
I wonder what shirts we will wear next year? Might as well start complaining now so we are all in good form when the new designs are published.

btw I actually heard MoPo give a very brief interview in English on the tellt the other week .. it wasn't the most eloquent outpouring but it shows he has enough to be able to understand all the questions and at least give a first impression. I must admit after this length of time in the UK he should be doing a lot more interviews in English ...

anyway ,, back to the shirts ... we have all been so swayed by the design excellence of our shirts, especially the away black variety that our inexorable move to the full Liverpool copy is now assured.... whoever thought that stripes should be bought back ??? For heaven sake just look the success that red has bought to Cardiff... it has been a revelation ... it must be the chinese year of the pigs ar$e or something .. it always brings good luck.
I agree with you. We should get all the shirt arguments out of the way as early as possible. I think there are going to be some very disappointed fans. I have it on good authority that we are definitely not getting red and white stripes. They are going to be white and red!
Vertical, diagonal or horizontal?
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I wonder what shirts we will wear next year? Might as well start complaining now so we are all in good form when the new designs are published. btw I actually heard MoPo give a very brief interview in English on the tellt the other week .. it wasn't the most eloquent outpouring but it shows he has enough to be able to understand all the questions and at least give a first impression. I must admit after this length of time in the UK he should be doing a lot more interviews in English ... anyway ,, back to the shirts ... we have all been so swayed by the design excellence of our shirts, especially the away black variety that our inexorable move to the full Liverpool copy is now assured.... whoever thought that stripes should be bought back ??? For heaven sake just look the success that red has bought to Cardiff... it has been a revelation ... it must be the chinese year of the pigs ar$e or something .. it always brings good luck.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. We should get all the shirt arguments out of the way as early as possible. I think there are going to be some very disappointed fans. I have it on good authority that we are definitely not getting red and white stripes. They are going to be white and red![/p][/quote]Vertical, diagonal or horizontal? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

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