Poch wants to beef up small squad

Mauricio Pochettino

Mauricio Pochettino

First published in Sport Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Senior Sports Reporter

Saints may dip into the transfer market this summer to beef up one of the smallest squads in the Premier League.

Team manager Mauricio Pochettino has regularly highlighted his belief that he does not have a huge number of players from which to choose, and statistics back that up, showing that Saints have used fewer than almost every side in the top flight this season.

Pochettino has fielded a total of 24 players in league action during the current campaign. Only Manchester City, with 23, have used less.

In terms of outfield players, no club is lower than Saints’ total of 21.

Pochettino said this week: “It’s clear, as I said throughout the entire season, that we have a short squad.

“We don’t have a lot of players in our squad.

“And it’s also true that, towards the end of the season, we’re suffering many injuries.”

Three players – Jay Rodriguez, Kelvin Davis and Maya Yoshida – are currently out with long-term injuries.

Saints have also been without Dejan Lovren, Victor Wanyama, Gastón Ramírez and Artur Boruc for fairly significant chunks at various stages of the season.

Pochettino explained that the squad’s depth, coupled with those injury problems, has impacted Saints’ quality in the latter part of the season.

Should he remain at St Mary’s beyond this campaign, that is something the 42-year-old will be keen to address.

It also increases the importance of Saints holding on to their best players this summer.

Simply having a vast number of bodies does not equate to success, however.

In fact, higher numbers of players used often suggest a greater degree of panic.

For example, no one has deployed more than the three sides currently in the relegation zone – Sunderland (30), Cardiff (30) and Fulham (38).

And, while they clearly have many more players who they could call upon, City, along with fellow title challengers Liverpool and Chelsea, who have each used 25 players, have shown that a settled squad is beneficial.

But what Pochettino is most likely keen to see is a greater depth in quality, rather than simply numbers.

Of the 24 players who have turned out for Saints, two are no longer at the club, with Danny Fox and Dani Osvaldo both having been loaned out in January.

Three have also been keepers, while two have not started a match.

Guly do Prado has made eight substitute appearances, and teenage midfielder Harrison Reed has been used only once, for the briefest of moments, coming on in the 89th minute of the 1-1 draw with Manchester City, at St Mary’s, in December.

In total, four players have featured less than five times.

And three squad members – Jay Rodriguez, Maya Yoshida and Kelvin Davis – are currently sidelined with long-term injuries.

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7:09am Wed 23 Apr 14

Sally Hamilton Original says...

It was what we were all saying in January, but I seem to remember saints saying we didn't need to bring in anyone because what we had was good enough?!!!!
It was what we were all saying in January, but I seem to remember saints saying we didn't need to bring in anyone because what we had was good enough?!!!! Sally Hamilton Original
  • Score: 12

7:24am Wed 23 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Boruc - free
Shaw - free
Fonte - £1.2m
Lovren - £8m
Chambers - free
Schniderlin - £2m
Cork - £750k
Lallana - free
Davis - £2m
Gallagher - free
Lambert - £1m

Every single team above us and most below us have at least one player who cost more than our current starting 11. The fact we are lying eighth is testimony to the best academy on the planet at this moment and some shred decisions by Cortese starting with getting Markus to buy the club.

We were driven by a vision - the players, fans and everyone associated with the club bought into that vision. Ralph is now tasked with delivering this once in a lifetime opportunity. Never again are we likely to have such a bunch of talented youngsters emerge all at once. They have come out one by one and effectively stated they will stay if MoPo is retained and the squad improved. MoPo is making it clear he will stay - provided there is ambition here to match his and the players.

We now face one of the most challenging summers ever faced by a Southampton chairman. He will be bombarded by attempts to prize away our key assets, including using the media to unsettle them. Against that backdrop he has to spend and spend big due to the quality we need to sign. He needs to be able to sell the vision to players who previously would not have considered signing for Southampton. That is the only way the vision will be realised.

Ralph are you up to this?
Boruc - free Shaw - free Fonte - £1.2m Lovren - £8m Chambers - free Schniderlin - £2m Cork - £750k Lallana - free Davis - £2m Gallagher - free Lambert - £1m Every single team above us and most below us have at least one player who cost more than our current starting 11. The fact we are lying eighth is testimony to the best academy on the planet at this moment and some shred decisions by Cortese starting with getting Markus to buy the club. We were driven by a vision - the players, fans and everyone associated with the club bought into that vision. Ralph is now tasked with delivering this once in a lifetime opportunity. Never again are we likely to have such a bunch of talented youngsters emerge all at once. They have come out one by one and effectively stated they will stay if MoPo is retained and the squad improved. MoPo is making it clear he will stay - provided there is ambition here to match his and the players. We now face one of the most challenging summers ever faced by a Southampton chairman. He will be bombarded by attempts to prize away our key assets, including using the media to unsettle them. Against that backdrop he has to spend and spend big due to the quality we need to sign. He needs to be able to sell the vision to players who previously would not have considered signing for Southampton. That is the only way the vision will be realised. Ralph are you up to this? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 75

8:23am Wed 23 Apr 14

Saint Jinx says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Boruc - free
Shaw - free
Fonte - £1.2m
Lovren - £8m
Chambers - free
Schniderlin - £2m
Cork - £750k
Lallana - free
Davis - £2m
Gallagher - free
Lambert - £1m

Every single team above us and most below us have at least one player who cost more than our current starting 11. The fact we are lying eighth is testimony to the best academy on the planet at this moment and some shred decisions by Cortese starting with getting Markus to buy the club.

We were driven by a vision - the players, fans and everyone associated with the club bought into that vision. Ralph is now tasked with delivering this once in a lifetime opportunity. Never again are we likely to have such a bunch of talented youngsters emerge all at once. They have come out one by one and effectively stated they will stay if MoPo is retained and the squad improved. MoPo is making it clear he will stay - provided there is ambition here to match his and the players.

We now face one of the most challenging summers ever faced by a Southampton chairman. He will be bombarded by attempts to prize away our key assets, including using the media to unsettle them. Against that backdrop he has to spend and spend big due to the quality we need to sign. He needs to be able to sell the vision to players who previously would not have considered signing for Southampton. That is the only way the vision will be realised.

Ralph are you up to this?
Well said. That is what I was implying last week.
The vision, the dream, the mission, must be fulfilled.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Boruc - free Shaw - free Fonte - £1.2m Lovren - £8m Chambers - free Schniderlin - £2m Cork - £750k Lallana - free Davis - £2m Gallagher - free Lambert - £1m Every single team above us and most below us have at least one player who cost more than our current starting 11. The fact we are lying eighth is testimony to the best academy on the planet at this moment and some shred decisions by Cortese starting with getting Markus to buy the club. We were driven by a vision - the players, fans and everyone associated with the club bought into that vision. Ralph is now tasked with delivering this once in a lifetime opportunity. Never again are we likely to have such a bunch of talented youngsters emerge all at once. They have come out one by one and effectively stated they will stay if MoPo is retained and the squad improved. MoPo is making it clear he will stay - provided there is ambition here to match his and the players. We now face one of the most challenging summers ever faced by a Southampton chairman. He will be bombarded by attempts to prize away our key assets, including using the media to unsettle them. Against that backdrop he has to spend and spend big due to the quality we need to sign. He needs to be able to sell the vision to players who previously would not have considered signing for Southampton. That is the only way the vision will be realised. Ralph are you up to this?[/p][/quote]Well said. That is what I was implying last week. The vision, the dream, the mission, must be fulfilled. Saint Jinx
  • Score: 12

8:26am Wed 23 Apr 14

BracknellSaint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Boruc - free
Shaw - free
Fonte - £1.2m
Lovren - £8m
Chambers - free
Schniderlin - £2m
Cork - £750k
Lallana - free
Davis - £2m
Gallagher - free
Lambert - £1m

Every single team above us and most below us have at least one player who cost more than our current starting 11. The fact we are lying eighth is testimony to the best academy on the planet at this moment and some shred decisions by Cortese starting with getting Markus to buy the club.

We were driven by a vision - the players, fans and everyone associated with the club bought into that vision. Ralph is now tasked with delivering this once in a lifetime opportunity. Never again are we likely to have such a bunch of talented youngsters emerge all at once. They have come out one by one and effectively stated they will stay if MoPo is retained and the squad improved. MoPo is making it clear he will stay - provided there is ambition here to match his and the players.

We now face one of the most challenging summers ever faced by a Southampton chairman. He will be bombarded by attempts to prize away our key assets, including using the media to unsettle them. Against that backdrop he has to spend and spend big due to the quality we need to sign. He needs to be able to sell the vision to players who previously would not have considered signing for Southampton. That is the only way the vision will be realised.

Ralph are you up to this?
Did everyone see that dinosaur Fat Sam on Goals on Sunday?
Saying we've done well, but couldn't help himself, and was spouting drivel about how " what's often forgotten is that Saints have spent 100 million pounds on that squad in the prem"
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Boruc - free Shaw - free Fonte - £1.2m Lovren - £8m Chambers - free Schniderlin - £2m Cork - £750k Lallana - free Davis - £2m Gallagher - free Lambert - £1m Every single team above us and most below us have at least one player who cost more than our current starting 11. The fact we are lying eighth is testimony to the best academy on the planet at this moment and some shred decisions by Cortese starting with getting Markus to buy the club. We were driven by a vision - the players, fans and everyone associated with the club bought into that vision. Ralph is now tasked with delivering this once in a lifetime opportunity. Never again are we likely to have such a bunch of talented youngsters emerge all at once. They have come out one by one and effectively stated they will stay if MoPo is retained and the squad improved. MoPo is making it clear he will stay - provided there is ambition here to match his and the players. We now face one of the most challenging summers ever faced by a Southampton chairman. He will be bombarded by attempts to prize away our key assets, including using the media to unsettle them. Against that backdrop he has to spend and spend big due to the quality we need to sign. He needs to be able to sell the vision to players who previously would not have considered signing for Southampton. That is the only way the vision will be realised. Ralph are you up to this?[/p][/quote]Did everyone see that dinosaur Fat Sam on Goals on Sunday? Saying we've done well, but couldn't help himself, and was spouting drivel about how " what's often forgotten is that Saints have spent 100 million pounds on that squad in the prem" BracknellSaint
  • Score: 4

8:29am Wed 23 Apr 14

Blackknight says...

It's not a matter of 'may' dip into the transfer market its much more a matter of 'MUST' dip into the transfer market.
It's not a matter of 'may' dip into the transfer market its much more a matter of 'MUST' dip into the transfer market. Blackknight
  • Score: 4

8:31am Wed 23 Apr 14

Puddletown Saint says...

Must agree we Seed. Massive summer ahead. We must not just spend but on the right type of player as well. It must be quality rather quantity. Can understand prudence the summer after but if we do not push on for any reason, sadly some players will want to further their personal ambition, and who could blame them.
Off should be Davis, Fox, Hoover, Guly, Barnard, Forte, Sharp, Dani and Gaston. This will bring in 20M to add to the 40M war chest. 200K a week off the wages as well.
Bring in Marshall, Cresswell, Shawcross, Hunt, Hernandez, Ings and Zaha.
My 2014/14 squad will be:
Boruc Marshall Gazza Clyne Chambers Shaw Cresswell Lovern Shawcross Fonte Yosida Cork Spider Wanyama S Davis JWP Reed Hunt Lallana Zaha Mayuka SRL JayRod Hernandez, Ings and Gallagher. And then a big name player from Spain on loan – Pedro perhaps………COYR
Must agree we Seed. Massive summer ahead. We must not just spend but on the right type of player as well. It must be quality rather quantity. Can understand prudence the summer after but if we do not push on for any reason, sadly some players will want to further their personal ambition, and who could blame them. Off should be Davis, Fox, Hoover, Guly, Barnard, Forte, Sharp, Dani and Gaston. This will bring in 20M to add to the 40M war chest. 200K a week off the wages as well. Bring in Marshall, Cresswell, Shawcross, Hunt, Hernandez, Ings and Zaha. My 2014/14 squad will be: Boruc Marshall Gazza Clyne Chambers Shaw Cresswell Lovern Shawcross Fonte Yosida Cork Spider Wanyama S Davis JWP Reed Hunt Lallana Zaha Mayuka SRL JayRod Hernandez, Ings and Gallagher. And then a big name player from Spain on loan – Pedro perhaps………COYR Puddletown Saint
  • Score: -5

8:32am Wed 23 Apr 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

I would say 'will'.

going to be an interesting summer
I would say 'will'. going to be an interesting summer Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 1

8:35am Wed 23 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Boruc - free
Shaw - free
Fonte - £1.2m
Lovren - £8m
Chambers - free
Schniderlin - £2m
Cork - £750k
Lallana - free
Davis - £2m
Gallagher - free
Lambert - £1m

Every single team above us and most below us have at least one player who cost more than our current starting 11. The fact we are lying eighth is testimony to the best academy on the planet at this moment and some shred decisions by Cortese starting with getting Markus to buy the club.

We were driven by a vision - the players, fans and everyone associated with the club bought into that vision. Ralph is now tasked with delivering this once in a lifetime opportunity. Never again are we likely to have such a bunch of talented youngsters emerge all at once. They have come out one by one and effectively stated they will stay if MoPo is retained and the squad improved. MoPo is making it clear he will stay - provided there is ambition here to match his and the players.

We now face one of the most challenging summers ever faced by a Southampton chairman. He will be bombarded by attempts to prize away our key assets, including using the media to unsettle them. Against that backdrop he has to spend and spend big due to the quality we need to sign. He needs to be able to sell the vision to players who previously would not have considered signing for Southampton. That is the only way the vision will be realised.

Ralph are you up to this?
Did everyone see that dinosaur Fat Sam on Goals on Sunday?
Saying we've done well, but couldn't help himself, and was spouting drivel about how " what's often forgotten is that Saints have spent 100 million pounds on that squad in the prem"
So did he happen to mention the amount of money he wasted on Andy the donkey Carroll so that they could keep hoofing it?
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Boruc - free Shaw - free Fonte - £1.2m Lovren - £8m Chambers - free Schniderlin - £2m Cork - £750k Lallana - free Davis - £2m Gallagher - free Lambert - £1m Every single team above us and most below us have at least one player who cost more than our current starting 11. The fact we are lying eighth is testimony to the best academy on the planet at this moment and some shred decisions by Cortese starting with getting Markus to buy the club. We were driven by a vision - the players, fans and everyone associated with the club bought into that vision. Ralph is now tasked with delivering this once in a lifetime opportunity. Never again are we likely to have such a bunch of talented youngsters emerge all at once. They have come out one by one and effectively stated they will stay if MoPo is retained and the squad improved. MoPo is making it clear he will stay - provided there is ambition here to match his and the players. We now face one of the most challenging summers ever faced by a Southampton chairman. He will be bombarded by attempts to prize away our key assets, including using the media to unsettle them. Against that backdrop he has to spend and spend big due to the quality we need to sign. He needs to be able to sell the vision to players who previously would not have considered signing for Southampton. That is the only way the vision will be realised. Ralph are you up to this?[/p][/quote]Did everyone see that dinosaur Fat Sam on Goals on Sunday? Saying we've done well, but couldn't help himself, and was spouting drivel about how " what's often forgotten is that Saints have spent 100 million pounds on that squad in the prem"[/p][/quote]So did he happen to mention the amount of money he wasted on Andy the donkey Carroll so that they could keep hoofing it? Clever Dick
  • Score: 15

9:06am Wed 23 Apr 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Puddletown Saint wrote:
Must agree we Seed. Massive summer ahead. We must not just spend but on the right type of player as well. It must be quality rather quantity. Can understand prudence the summer after but if we do not push on for any reason, sadly some players will want to further their personal ambition, and who could blame them.
Off should be Davis, Fox, Hoover, Guly, Barnard, Forte, Sharp, Dani and Gaston. This will bring in 20M to add to the 40M war chest. 200K a week off the wages as well.
Bring in Marshall, Cresswell, Shawcross, Hunt, Hernandez, Ings and Zaha.
My 2014/14 squad will be:
Boruc Marshall Gazza Clyne Chambers Shaw Cresswell Lovern Shawcross Fonte Yosida Cork Spider Wanyama S Davis JWP Reed Hunt Lallana Zaha Mayuka SRL JayRod Hernandez, Ings and Gallagher. And then a big name player from Spain on loan – Pedro perhaps………COYR
But that would make our squad even lighter! Your getting rid of 8 and bringing in just 7. Its just 2 more in if you allow for the fact that forte and Sharpe and barnard weren't squad members, even then your not increasing the squad by a lot. Dani and Fox, from the current squad, will be off but instead of Davis why not keep him as 3rd choice and loan gazza out.
Hoover and guly may go but would be good 4th choice options, and we have needed some good cover this season, but Gaston is getting better every game and is great cover should lalla get injured.
I don't think many of the players you mention for brining in will improve the quality of the squad, especially zaha who manure spent big on and even in their current fall from grace he couldn't get into their squad.
Ings is everyone's favorite because he is a saints lad but will he become the 20+ goal a season striker we want? Or should we look elsewhere? I don't know, I do know that Burnley fans must be fed up with saints fans for saying we should go and get him all the time, just as we are fed up of manure, chelski an arsenil fans for talking about our best players!
[quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Must agree we Seed. Massive summer ahead. We must not just spend but on the right type of player as well. It must be quality rather quantity. Can understand prudence the summer after but if we do not push on for any reason, sadly some players will want to further their personal ambition, and who could blame them. Off should be Davis, Fox, Hoover, Guly, Barnard, Forte, Sharp, Dani and Gaston. This will bring in 20M to add to the 40M war chest. 200K a week off the wages as well. Bring in Marshall, Cresswell, Shawcross, Hunt, Hernandez, Ings and Zaha. My 2014/14 squad will be: Boruc Marshall Gazza Clyne Chambers Shaw Cresswell Lovern Shawcross Fonte Yosida Cork Spider Wanyama S Davis JWP Reed Hunt Lallana Zaha Mayuka SRL JayRod Hernandez, Ings and Gallagher. And then a big name player from Spain on loan – Pedro perhaps………COYR[/p][/quote]But that would make our squad even lighter! Your getting rid of 8 and bringing in just 7. Its just 2 more in if you allow for the fact that forte and Sharpe and barnard weren't squad members, even then your not increasing the squad by a lot. Dani and Fox, from the current squad, will be off but instead of Davis why not keep him as 3rd choice and loan gazza out. Hoover and guly may go but would be good 4th choice options, and we have needed some good cover this season, but Gaston is getting better every game and is great cover should lalla get injured. I don't think many of the players you mention for brining in will improve the quality of the squad, especially zaha who manure spent big on and even in their current fall from grace he couldn't get into their squad. Ings is everyone's favorite because he is a saints lad but will he become the 20+ goal a season striker we want? Or should we look elsewhere? I don't know, I do know that Burnley fans must be fed up with saints fans for saying we should go and get him all the time, just as we are fed up of manure, chelski an arsenil fans for talking about our best players! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 8

9:07am Wed 23 Apr 14

miltonarcher says...

Pochettino said this week: “It’s clear, as I said throughout the entire season, that we have a short squad. Sorry, thats not what you said in January. You said you were happy with the squad.
Pochettino said this week: “It’s clear, as I said throughout the entire season, that we have a short squad. Sorry, thats not what you said in January. You said you were happy with the squad. miltonarcher
  • Score: 2

9:32am Wed 23 Apr 14

killared says...

Puddletown Saint wrote:
Must agree we Seed. Massive summer ahead. We must not just spend but on the right type of player as well. It must be quality rather quantity. Can understand prudence the summer after but if we do not push on for any reason, sadly some players will want to further their personal ambition, and who could blame them.
Off should be Davis, Fox, Hoover, Guly, Barnard, Forte, Sharp, Dani and Gaston. This will bring in 20M to add to the 40M war chest. 200K a week off the wages as well.
Bring in Marshall, Cresswell, Shawcross, Hunt, Hernandez, Ings and Zaha.
My 2014/14 squad will be:
Boruc Marshall Gazza Clyne Chambers Shaw Cresswell Lovern Shawcross Fonte Yosida Cork Spider Wanyama S Davis JWP Reed Hunt Lallana Zaha Mayuka SRL JayRod Hernandez, Ings and Gallagher. And then a big name player from Spain on loan – Pedro perhaps………COYR
No offence but Davis, Fox, Hoover, Guly, Barnard, Forte, Sharp, Osvaldo and Ramirez will never bring 20 million, 13 or 15 million at best !
[quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Must agree we Seed. Massive summer ahead. We must not just spend but on the right type of player as well. It must be quality rather quantity. Can understand prudence the summer after but if we do not push on for any reason, sadly some players will want to further their personal ambition, and who could blame them. Off should be Davis, Fox, Hoover, Guly, Barnard, Forte, Sharp, Dani and Gaston. This will bring in 20M to add to the 40M war chest. 200K a week off the wages as well. Bring in Marshall, Cresswell, Shawcross, Hunt, Hernandez, Ings and Zaha. My 2014/14 squad will be: Boruc Marshall Gazza Clyne Chambers Shaw Cresswell Lovern Shawcross Fonte Yosida Cork Spider Wanyama S Davis JWP Reed Hunt Lallana Zaha Mayuka SRL JayRod Hernandez, Ings and Gallagher. And then a big name player from Spain on loan – Pedro perhaps………COYR[/p][/quote]No offence but Davis, Fox, Hoover, Guly, Barnard, Forte, Sharp, Osvaldo and Ramirez will never bring 20 million, 13 or 15 million at best ! killared
  • Score: -5

9:34am Wed 23 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

If you believe the other threads he will be gone before he can beef up anything.
If you believe the other threads he will be gone before he can beef up anything. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

9:44am Wed 23 Apr 14

expatsaint says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: Boruc - free Shaw - free Fonte - £1.2m Lovren - £8m Chambers - free Schniderlin - £2m Cork - £750k Lallana - free Davis - £2m Gallagher - free Lambert - £1m Every single team above us and most below us have at least one player who cost more than our current starting 11. The fact we are lying eighth is testimony to the best academy on the planet at this moment and some shred decisions by Cortese starting with getting Markus to buy the club. We were driven by a vision - the players, fans and everyone associated with the club bought into that vision. Ralph is now tasked with delivering this once in a lifetime opportunity. Never again are we likely to have such a bunch of talented youngsters emerge all at once. They have come out one by one and effectively stated they will stay if MoPo is retained and the squad improved. MoPo is making it clear he will stay - provided there is ambition here to match his and the players. We now face one of the most challenging summers ever faced by a Southampton chairman. He will be bombarded by attempts to prize away our key assets, including using the media to unsettle them. Against that backdrop he has to spend and spend big due to the quality we need to sign. He needs to be able to sell the vision to players who previously would not have considered signing for Southampton. That is the only way the vision will be realised. Ralph are you up to this?
Did everyone see that dinosaur Fat Sam on Goals on Sunday? Saying we've done well, but couldn't help himself, and was spouting drivel about how " what's often forgotten is that Saints have spent 100 million pounds on that squad in the prem"
Much as it hurts to admit it, the brutish Allardyce is not far off when he says Saints have spent 100 million on the squad. Regrettably, much of it has not been very productive. Consider the following:

Osvaldo 13.3 million - wasted.
Wanyama 12.7 million -jury still out.
Rodriguez 7.6 million - excellent value!
Ramires 13.3 million - jury still out.
Clyne 2.8 million - great value.
Lovren 8.8 million - shrewd investment.
Forren 3 million - who???
Yoshida 2.5 million - debatable, could yet deliver.
Mayuka 3.5 million - wasted.
Gazziniga 2.7 million - wasted.
Sharp 1.9 million - never showed quality.
Fox - 1.8 million - ditto on above.
Cork .75 million - wow! bargain!
SRL 1 million - probably the best deal we've done.

That's around 75 million but have we really done due diligence in the transfer market? For a "smaller" club we really must take far greater care in assessing potential signings. I reckon at least half of the above transfer fees have been ill-judged and now we're paying the price
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Boruc - free Shaw - free Fonte - £1.2m Lovren - £8m Chambers - free Schniderlin - £2m Cork - £750k Lallana - free Davis - £2m Gallagher - free Lambert - £1m Every single team above us and most below us have at least one player who cost more than our current starting 11. The fact we are lying eighth is testimony to the best academy on the planet at this moment and some shred decisions by Cortese starting with getting Markus to buy the club. We were driven by a vision - the players, fans and everyone associated with the club bought into that vision. Ralph is now tasked with delivering this once in a lifetime opportunity. Never again are we likely to have such a bunch of talented youngsters emerge all at once. They have come out one by one and effectively stated they will stay if MoPo is retained and the squad improved. MoPo is making it clear he will stay - provided there is ambition here to match his and the players. We now face one of the most challenging summers ever faced by a Southampton chairman. He will be bombarded by attempts to prize away our key assets, including using the media to unsettle them. Against that backdrop he has to spend and spend big due to the quality we need to sign. He needs to be able to sell the vision to players who previously would not have considered signing for Southampton. That is the only way the vision will be realised. Ralph are you up to this?[/p][/quote]Did everyone see that dinosaur Fat Sam on Goals on Sunday? Saying we've done well, but couldn't help himself, and was spouting drivel about how " what's often forgotten is that Saints have spent 100 million pounds on that squad in the prem"[/p][/quote]Much as it hurts to admit it, the brutish Allardyce is not far off when he says Saints have spent 100 million on the squad. Regrettably, much of it has not been very productive. Consider the following: Osvaldo 13.3 million - wasted. Wanyama 12.7 million -jury still out. Rodriguez 7.6 million - excellent value! Ramires 13.3 million - jury still out. Clyne 2.8 million - great value. Lovren 8.8 million - shrewd investment. Forren 3 million - who??? Yoshida 2.5 million - debatable, could yet deliver. Mayuka 3.5 million - wasted. Gazziniga 2.7 million - wasted. Sharp 1.9 million - never showed quality. Fox - 1.8 million - ditto on above. Cork .75 million - wow! bargain! SRL 1 million - probably the best deal we've done. That's around 75 million but have we really done due diligence in the transfer market? For a "smaller" club we really must take far greater care in assessing potential signings. I reckon at least half of the above transfer fees have been ill-judged and now we're paying the price expatsaint
  • Score: 12

10:02am Wed 23 Apr 14

george chivers says...

expatsaint wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: Boruc - free Shaw - free Fonte - £1.2m Lovren - £8m Chambers - free Schniderlin - £2m Cork - £750k Lallana - free Davis - £2m Gallagher - free Lambert - £1m Every single team above us and most below us have at least one player who cost more than our current starting 11. The fact we are lying eighth is testimony to the best academy on the planet at this moment and some shred decisions by Cortese starting with getting Markus to buy the club. We were driven by a vision - the players, fans and everyone associated with the club bought into that vision. Ralph is now tasked with delivering this once in a lifetime opportunity. Never again are we likely to have such a bunch of talented youngsters emerge all at once. They have come out one by one and effectively stated they will stay if MoPo is retained and the squad improved. MoPo is making it clear he will stay - provided there is ambition here to match his and the players. We now face one of the most challenging summers ever faced by a Southampton chairman. He will be bombarded by attempts to prize away our key assets, including using the media to unsettle them. Against that backdrop he has to spend and spend big due to the quality we need to sign. He needs to be able to sell the vision to players who previously would not have considered signing for Southampton. That is the only way the vision will be realised. Ralph are you up to this?
Did everyone see that dinosaur Fat Sam on Goals on Sunday? Saying we've done well, but couldn't help himself, and was spouting drivel about how " what's often forgotten is that Saints have spent 100 million pounds on that squad in the prem"
Much as it hurts to admit it, the brutish Allardyce is not far off when he says Saints have spent 100 million on the squad. Regrettably, much of it has not been very productive. Consider the following:

Osvaldo 13.3 million - wasted.
Wanyama 12.7 million -jury still out.
Rodriguez 7.6 million - excellent value!
Ramires 13.3 million - jury still out.
Clyne 2.8 million - great value.
Lovren 8.8 million - shrewd investment.
Forren 3 million - who???
Yoshida 2.5 million - debatable, could yet deliver.
Mayuka 3.5 million - wasted.
Gazziniga 2.7 million - wasted.
Sharp 1.9 million - never showed quality.
Fox - 1.8 million - ditto on above.
Cork .75 million - wow! bargain!
SRL 1 million - probably the best deal we've done.

That's around 75 million but have we really done due diligence in the transfer market? For a "smaller" club we really must take far greater care in assessing potential signings. I reckon at least half of the above transfer fees have been ill-judged and now we're paying the price
Good post, adds reality to the original post. Yes we have a great academy and a good manager but we aren't the best when it comes to (relative) big money transfers into our club. It is a glaring weakness. It needs to be improved if we are to go forward or we will just waste the money our kids generate when they are sold on.

If the manager is not making the buying decisions, although I do believe he was responsible for bringing Osvaldo to the club, then perhaps Ralph should review the future of the person who is.
[quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Boruc - free Shaw - free Fonte - £1.2m Lovren - £8m Chambers - free Schniderlin - £2m Cork - £750k Lallana - free Davis - £2m Gallagher - free Lambert - £1m Every single team above us and most below us have at least one player who cost more than our current starting 11. The fact we are lying eighth is testimony to the best academy on the planet at this moment and some shred decisions by Cortese starting with getting Markus to buy the club. We were driven by a vision - the players, fans and everyone associated with the club bought into that vision. Ralph is now tasked with delivering this once in a lifetime opportunity. Never again are we likely to have such a bunch of talented youngsters emerge all at once. They have come out one by one and effectively stated they will stay if MoPo is retained and the squad improved. MoPo is making it clear he will stay - provided there is ambition here to match his and the players. We now face one of the most challenging summers ever faced by a Southampton chairman. He will be bombarded by attempts to prize away our key assets, including using the media to unsettle them. Against that backdrop he has to spend and spend big due to the quality we need to sign. He needs to be able to sell the vision to players who previously would not have considered signing for Southampton. That is the only way the vision will be realised. Ralph are you up to this?[/p][/quote]Did everyone see that dinosaur Fat Sam on Goals on Sunday? Saying we've done well, but couldn't help himself, and was spouting drivel about how " what's often forgotten is that Saints have spent 100 million pounds on that squad in the prem"[/p][/quote]Much as it hurts to admit it, the brutish Allardyce is not far off when he says Saints have spent 100 million on the squad. Regrettably, much of it has not been very productive. Consider the following: Osvaldo 13.3 million - wasted. Wanyama 12.7 million -jury still out. Rodriguez 7.6 million - excellent value! Ramires 13.3 million - jury still out. Clyne 2.8 million - great value. Lovren 8.8 million - shrewd investment. Forren 3 million - who??? Yoshida 2.5 million - debatable, could yet deliver. Mayuka 3.5 million - wasted. Gazziniga 2.7 million - wasted. Sharp 1.9 million - never showed quality. Fox - 1.8 million - ditto on above. Cork .75 million - wow! bargain! SRL 1 million - probably the best deal we've done. That's around 75 million but have we really done due diligence in the transfer market? For a "smaller" club we really must take far greater care in assessing potential signings. I reckon at least half of the above transfer fees have been ill-judged and now we're paying the price[/p][/quote]Good post, adds reality to the original post. Yes we have a great academy and a good manager but we aren't the best when it comes to (relative) big money transfers into our club. It is a glaring weakness. It needs to be improved if we are to go forward or we will just waste the money our kids generate when they are sold on. If the manager is not making the buying decisions, although I do believe he was responsible for bringing Osvaldo to the club, then perhaps Ralph should review the future of the person who is. george chivers
  • Score: -1

10:21am Wed 23 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Who says it's not good? You need to look in the round.

Rodriguez, Clyne, Cork and Lovren are worth far more than we paid for them. So put that in the pot. Even the aging SRL attracted a bid of £7m from West Ham so put that in the pot.

Gaston is coming good and Wanyama is an excellent addition giving a very different option than Cork to the manager, so evens on them.

Sharp and Fox got us promoted so great buys. They need to be sold to a championship team who are serious about promotion.

Gazz needs to be loaned out and is one for the future. Best kicker of our three keepers but his confidence is shot to pieces. Mayuka was bought for the future and loaned out.

Yoshida good value for a Prem 3rd choice CB. Are there better? Yes, but not for peanuts.

Osvaldo poor buy but not 'wasted' as he still has some value but yes big lose here.

Forren. Total lose of investment.

Add the 14 named above together and you will see that our 'profits' outweigh our 'loses' so overall we are in 'profit'.
Who says it's not good? You need to look in the round. Rodriguez, Clyne, Cork and Lovren are worth far more than we paid for them. So put that in the pot. Even the aging SRL attracted a bid of £7m from West Ham so put that in the pot. Gaston is coming good and Wanyama is an excellent addition giving a very different option than Cork to the manager, so evens on them. Sharp and Fox got us promoted so great buys. They need to be sold to a championship team who are serious about promotion. Gazz needs to be loaned out and is one for the future. Best kicker of our three keepers but his confidence is shot to pieces. Mayuka was bought for the future and loaned out. Yoshida good value for a Prem 3rd choice CB. Are there better? Yes, but not for peanuts. Osvaldo poor buy but not 'wasted' as he still has some value but yes big lose here. Forren. Total lose of investment. Add the 14 named above together and you will see that our 'profits' outweigh our 'loses' so overall we are in 'profit'. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 9

10:26am Wed 23 Apr 14

warrens 76 says...

Signing players is usually hit and miss for most teams unless you are spending 30 million upwards on a 'no risk' proposition like RVP, Ronaldo, Bale etc..which is a bit above our pay grade..

…ergo real thought has to go into acquisitions and how they fit…MoPo is sensational at mayn things but I wonder that Osvaldo was a mistake waiting to happen…

...funnily enough I do not blame anyone for Gaston because he looked and can look very much like part of our set up, unfortunately inconsistancy can appear from nowhere and injury.

We all know how important the summer is and I seeknow one else marching our pressing and possession game yet so it's all about goals next season…get that right and maybe get the decisions we should have had this season next season and we should be 15 points above our existing which is nigh on champions league.
Signing players is usually hit and miss for most teams unless you are spending 30 million upwards on a 'no risk' proposition like RVP, Ronaldo, Bale etc..which is a bit above our pay grade.. …ergo real thought has to go into acquisitions and how they fit…MoPo is sensational at mayn things but I wonder that Osvaldo was a mistake waiting to happen… ...funnily enough I do not blame anyone for Gaston because he looked and can look very much like part of our set up, unfortunately inconsistancy can appear from nowhere and injury. We all know how important the summer is and I seeknow one else marching our pressing and possession game yet so it's all about goals next season…get that right and maybe get the decisions we should have had this season next season and we should be 15 points above our existing which is nigh on champions league. warrens 76
  • Score: 0

10:31am Wed 23 Apr 14

Jesus_02 says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Pochettino said this week: “It’s clear, as I said throughout the entire season, that we have a short squad. Sorry, thats not what you said in January. You said you were happy with the squad.
When it was clear we were not going to sign any of our targets in January … he was simply publicly showing faith in the younger players..

We just don’t panic buy
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pochettino said this week: “It’s clear, as I said throughout the entire season, that we have a short squad. Sorry, thats not what you said in January. You said you were happy with the squad.[/p][/quote]When it was clear we were not going to sign any of our targets in January … he was simply publicly showing faith in the younger players.. We just don’t panic buy Jesus_02
  • Score: 7

10:43am Wed 23 Apr 14

Jesus_02 says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Signing players is usually hit and miss for most teams unless you are spending 30 million upwards on a 'no risk' proposition like RVP, Ronaldo, Bale etc..which is a bit above our pay grade.. …ergo real thought has to go into acquisitions and how they fit…MoPo is sensational at mayn things but I wonder that Osvaldo was a mistake waiting to happen… ...funnily enough I do not blame anyone for Gaston because he looked and can look very much like part of our set up, unfortunately inconsistancy can appear from nowhere and injury. We all know how important the summer is and I seeknow one else marching our pressing and possession game yet so it's all about goals next season…get that right and maybe get the decisions we should have had this season next season and we should be 15 points above our existing which is nigh on champions league.
I have said it before and I will say it again...Osvaldo was not really that big a mistake. It was a signing that demonstrated an ambition that probably kept some of our better players at the club. I would rather the club lost £2m on Osvaldo than £4 on Rory Delap.

Gaston Ramerez is a 23 Uruguay international that is not quite as good as Lallana. He will be in team for a few years yet
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Signing players is usually hit and miss for most teams unless you are spending 30 million upwards on a 'no risk' proposition like RVP, Ronaldo, Bale etc..which is a bit above our pay grade.. …ergo real thought has to go into acquisitions and how they fit…MoPo is sensational at mayn things but I wonder that Osvaldo was a mistake waiting to happen… ...funnily enough I do not blame anyone for Gaston because he looked and can look very much like part of our set up, unfortunately inconsistancy can appear from nowhere and injury. We all know how important the summer is and I seeknow one else marching our pressing and possession game yet so it's all about goals next season…get that right and maybe get the decisions we should have had this season next season and we should be 15 points above our existing which is nigh on champions league.[/p][/quote]I have said it before and I will say it again...Osvaldo was not really that big a mistake. It was a signing that demonstrated an ambition that probably kept some of our better players at the club. I would rather the club lost £2m on Osvaldo than £4 on Rory Delap. Gaston Ramerez is a 23 Uruguay international that is not quite as good as Lallana. He will be in team for a few years yet Jesus_02
  • Score: 5

10:47am Wed 23 Apr 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Who says it's not good? You need to look in the round.

Rodriguez, Clyne, Cork and Lovren are worth far more than we paid for them. So put that in the pot. Even the aging SRL attracted a bid of £7m from West Ham so put that in the pot.

Gaston is coming good and Wanyama is an excellent addition giving a very different option than Cork to the manager, so evens on them.

Sharp and Fox got us promoted so great buys. They need to be sold to a championship team who are serious about promotion.

Gazz needs to be loaned out and is one for the future. Best kicker of our three keepers but his confidence is shot to pieces. Mayuka was bought for the future and loaned out.

Yoshida good value for a Prem 3rd choice CB. Are there better? Yes, but not for peanuts.

Osvaldo poor buy but not 'wasted' as he still has some value but yes big lose here.

Forren. Total lose of investment.

Add the 14 named above together and you will see that our 'profits' outweigh our 'loses' so overall we are in 'profit'.
Your are right about the smaller signings, many have proven to be good investments. I wouldn't argue with that. But the big ones Osvaldo, Ramirez and Wanyama haven't delivered relative to their fees. I would be very happy for Osvaldo and Ramirez to go but I think we would make a substantial loss and I think we may well have to keep them. Wanyama is on the back burner as far as I am concerned. Gazza can go he doesn't feel comfortable on a big stage. He was o.k. at Gillingham but we are not Gillingham.

I repeat, as a club, we are not good at making big signings £10M + that is an area which needs to be improved if we are to move forward.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Who says it's not good? You need to look in the round. Rodriguez, Clyne, Cork and Lovren are worth far more than we paid for them. So put that in the pot. Even the aging SRL attracted a bid of £7m from West Ham so put that in the pot. Gaston is coming good and Wanyama is an excellent addition giving a very different option than Cork to the manager, so evens on them. Sharp and Fox got us promoted so great buys. They need to be sold to a championship team who are serious about promotion. Gazz needs to be loaned out and is one for the future. Best kicker of our three keepers but his confidence is shot to pieces. Mayuka was bought for the future and loaned out. Yoshida good value for a Prem 3rd choice CB. Are there better? Yes, but not for peanuts. Osvaldo poor buy but not 'wasted' as he still has some value but yes big lose here. Forren. Total lose of investment. Add the 14 named above together and you will see that our 'profits' outweigh our 'loses' so overall we are in 'profit'.[/p][/quote]Your are right about the smaller signings, many have proven to be good investments. I wouldn't argue with that. But the big ones Osvaldo, Ramirez and Wanyama haven't delivered relative to their fees. I would be very happy for Osvaldo and Ramirez to go but I think we would make a substantial loss and I think we may well have to keep them. Wanyama is on the back burner as far as I am concerned. Gazza can go he doesn't feel comfortable on a big stage. He was o.k. at Gillingham but we are not Gillingham. I repeat, as a club, we are not good at making big signings £10M + that is an area which needs to be improved if we are to move forward. george chivers
  • Score: -5

10:50am Wed 23 Apr 14

alan.of.eastleigh says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Pochettino said this week: “It’s clear, as I said throughout the entire season, that we have a short squad. Sorry, thats not what you said in January. You said you were happy with the squad.
Both statements are correct. He was happy with the squad he had but knew we would need a bigger squad to press on. Not many managers want to spend big in January as the targets usually have soemthing to fight for at their existing clubs which pushes the price up. so summer is the time to step up.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Pochettino said this week: “It’s clear, as I said throughout the entire season, that we have a short squad. Sorry, thats not what you said in January. You said you were happy with the squad.[/p][/quote]Both statements are correct. He was happy with the squad he had but knew we would need a bigger squad to press on. Not many managers want to spend big in January as the targets usually have soemthing to fight for at their existing clubs which pushes the price up. so summer is the time to step up. alan.of.eastleigh
  • Score: 1

11:12am Wed 23 Apr 14

el caballo santos101 says...

expatsaint wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: Boruc - free Shaw - free Fonte - £1.2m Lovren - £8m Chambers - free Schniderlin - £2m Cork - £750k Lallana - free Davis - £2m Gallagher - free Lambert - £1m Every single team above us and most below us have at least one player who cost more than our current starting 11. The fact we are lying eighth is testimony to the best academy on the planet at this moment and some shred decisions by Cortese starting with getting Markus to buy the club. We were driven by a vision - the players, fans and everyone associated with the club bought into that vision. Ralph is now tasked with delivering this once in a lifetime opportunity. Never again are we likely to have such a bunch of talented youngsters emerge all at once. They have come out one by one and effectively stated they will stay if MoPo is retained and the squad improved. MoPo is making it clear he will stay - provided there is ambition here to match his and the players. We now face one of the most challenging summers ever faced by a Southampton chairman. He will be bombarded by attempts to prize away our key assets, including using the media to unsettle them. Against that backdrop he has to spend and spend big due to the quality we need to sign. He needs to be able to sell the vision to players who previously would not have considered signing for Southampton. That is the only way the vision will be realised. Ralph are you up to this?
Did everyone see that dinosaur Fat Sam on Goals on Sunday? Saying we've done well, but couldn't help himself, and was spouting drivel about how " what's often forgotten is that Saints have spent 100 million pounds on that squad in the prem"
Much as it hurts to admit it, the brutish Allardyce is not far off when he says Saints have spent 100 million on the squad. Regrettably, much of it has not been very productive. Consider the following:

Osvaldo 13.3 million - wasted.
Wanyama 12.7 million -jury still out.
Rodriguez 7.6 million - excellent value!
Ramires 13.3 million - jury still out.
Clyne 2.8 million - great value.
Lovren 8.8 million - shrewd investment.
Forren 3 million - who???
Yoshida 2.5 million - debatable, could yet deliver.
Mayuka 3.5 million - wasted.
Gazziniga 2.7 million - wasted.
Sharp 1.9 million - never showed quality.
Fox - 1.8 million - ditto on above.
Cork .75 million - wow! bargain!
SRL 1 million - probably the best deal we've done.

That's around 75 million but have we really done due diligence in the transfer market? For a "smaller" club we really must take far greater care in assessing potential signings. I reckon at least half of the above transfer fees have been ill-judged and now we're paying the price
not far off??? £100mill and £75mill? that a lot off, fat face sam must have gone to the poopey school of maths!

also,
Osvaldo = not here so doesn't count.
forren = got back roughly what we paid and he never played so doesn't count.
Fox, Sharp, Cork and SRL weren't brought when we were in the prem, i`m sure fat face sam mentioned what we spent in the prem, so they don't count.
Gazza = wasted? really, your ready to write off a young goalkeeper, who would not have played but for injury, so quickly?
sharp = was brought to get us over the finishing line, and to stop other teams buying him.
Fox = did a good job in the championship but wasn't a left back.
Mayuka = could still be a good player for us we haven't seen enough to know
Wanyamma = top quality defensive midfielder who has been unlucky with injuries, our drop in form started when he got injured.
Ramirez = is a great back up for lalla, he is never going to get the run of games needed if lalla stays fit.

Fat face sam is still bitter that we beat them to the auto promotion spot so he couldn't stop himself having a barbed comment when talking about us.
he is also the manager of a club that is skint, the owners are propping it up out of their own money and one of the pornographers admitted to paying donkeys loan fee himself.

if you watched the whole show he also went on to say how unlucky they have been with injuries this season, I don't think its anything like as bad as ours though. he even said that they would be challenging in the top ten if donkey had been fit!
the man is a joke and his style of football is horrible to watch, I don't know why the media love him so much.
[quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Boruc - free Shaw - free Fonte - £1.2m Lovren - £8m Chambers - free Schniderlin - £2m Cork - £750k Lallana - free Davis - £2m Gallagher - free Lambert - £1m Every single team above us and most below us have at least one player who cost more than our current starting 11. The fact we are lying eighth is testimony to the best academy on the planet at this moment and some shred decisions by Cortese starting with getting Markus to buy the club. We were driven by a vision - the players, fans and everyone associated with the club bought into that vision. Ralph is now tasked with delivering this once in a lifetime opportunity. Never again are we likely to have such a bunch of talented youngsters emerge all at once. They have come out one by one and effectively stated they will stay if MoPo is retained and the squad improved. MoPo is making it clear he will stay - provided there is ambition here to match his and the players. We now face one of the most challenging summers ever faced by a Southampton chairman. He will be bombarded by attempts to prize away our key assets, including using the media to unsettle them. Against that backdrop he has to spend and spend big due to the quality we need to sign. He needs to be able to sell the vision to players who previously would not have considered signing for Southampton. That is the only way the vision will be realised. Ralph are you up to this?[/p][/quote]Did everyone see that dinosaur Fat Sam on Goals on Sunday? Saying we've done well, but couldn't help himself, and was spouting drivel about how " what's often forgotten is that Saints have spent 100 million pounds on that squad in the prem"[/p][/quote]Much as it hurts to admit it, the brutish Allardyce is not far off when he says Saints have spent 100 million on the squad. Regrettably, much of it has not been very productive. Consider the following: Osvaldo 13.3 million - wasted. Wanyama 12.7 million -jury still out. Rodriguez 7.6 million - excellent value! Ramires 13.3 million - jury still out. Clyne 2.8 million - great value. Lovren 8.8 million - shrewd investment. Forren 3 million - who??? Yoshida 2.5 million - debatable, could yet deliver. Mayuka 3.5 million - wasted. Gazziniga 2.7 million - wasted. Sharp 1.9 million - never showed quality. Fox - 1.8 million - ditto on above. Cork .75 million - wow! bargain! SRL 1 million - probably the best deal we've done. That's around 75 million but have we really done due diligence in the transfer market? For a "smaller" club we really must take far greater care in assessing potential signings. I reckon at least half of the above transfer fees have been ill-judged and now we're paying the price[/p][/quote]not far off??? £100mill and £75mill? that a lot off, fat face sam must have gone to the poopey school of maths! also, Osvaldo = not here so doesn't count. forren = got back roughly what we paid and he never played so doesn't count. Fox, Sharp, Cork and SRL weren't brought when we were in the prem, i`m sure fat face sam mentioned what we spent in the prem, so they don't count. Gazza = wasted? really, your ready to write off a young goalkeeper, who would not have played but for injury, so quickly? sharp = was brought to get us over the finishing line, and to stop other teams buying him. Fox = did a good job in the championship but wasn't a left back. Mayuka = could still be a good player for us we haven't seen enough to know Wanyamma = top quality defensive midfielder who has been unlucky with injuries, our drop in form started when he got injured. Ramirez = is a great back up for lalla, he is never going to get the run of games needed if lalla stays fit. Fat face sam is still bitter that we beat them to the auto promotion spot so he couldn't stop himself having a barbed comment when talking about us. he is also the manager of a club that is skint, the owners are propping it up out of their own money and one of the pornographers admitted to paying donkeys loan fee himself. if you watched the whole show he also went on to say how unlucky they have been with injuries this season, I don't think its anything like as bad as ours though. he even said that they would be challenging in the top ten if donkey had been fit! the man is a joke and his style of football is horrible to watch, I don't know why the media love him so much. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 1

11:22am Wed 23 Apr 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

There was a good story on the BBC from their top Sports writer whose name escapes me at the minute. He pointed to the current crop of Saints players coming through and the money from the Liebher family but that the new UEFA fair play rules how they were meant to control the bigger teams have actually damaged teams like Saints. This was the reason why Cortese opposed the plans because where we would love to spend big again this summer and benefit from the best academy players since the class of '92 from Utd we would never be able to compete with the success back then because they were able to have the top Senior players around them that Saints won't be able to afford and keep within the Financial Fair Play.

What it means is we might have to sell Shaw for £30m this summer to reinvest in the squad even though we could afford to buy more without selling. Lallana has to stay though and MP has to stay.
There was a good story on the BBC from their top Sports writer whose name escapes me at the minute. He pointed to the current crop of Saints players coming through and the money from the Liebher family but that the new UEFA fair play rules how they were meant to control the bigger teams have actually damaged teams like Saints. This was the reason why Cortese opposed the plans because where we would love to spend big again this summer and benefit from the best academy players since the class of '92 from Utd we would never be able to compete with the success back then because they were able to have the top Senior players around them that Saints won't be able to afford and keep within the Financial Fair Play. What it means is we might have to sell Shaw for £30m this summer to reinvest in the squad even though we could afford to buy more without selling. Lallana has to stay though and MP has to stay. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: -1

11:54am Wed 23 Apr 14

StHuey says...

expatsaint wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: Boruc - free Shaw - free Fonte - £1.2m Lovren - £8m Chambers - free Schniderlin - £2m Cork - £750k Lallana - free Davis - £2m Gallagher - free Lambert - £1m Every single team above us and most below us have at least one player who cost more than our current starting 11. The fact we are lying eighth is testimony to the best academy on the planet at this moment and some shred decisions by Cortese starting with getting Markus to buy the club. We were driven by a vision - the players, fans and everyone associated with the club bought into that vision. Ralph is now tasked with delivering this once in a lifetime opportunity. Never again are we likely to have such a bunch of talented youngsters emerge all at once. They have come out one by one and effectively stated they will stay if MoPo is retained and the squad improved. MoPo is making it clear he will stay - provided there is ambition here to match his and the players. We now face one of the most challenging summers ever faced by a Southampton chairman. He will be bombarded by attempts to prize away our key assets, including using the media to unsettle them. Against that backdrop he has to spend and spend big due to the quality we need to sign. He needs to be able to sell the vision to players who previously would not have considered signing for Southampton. That is the only way the vision will be realised. Ralph are you up to this?
Did everyone see that dinosaur Fat Sam on Goals on Sunday? Saying we've done well, but couldn't help himself, and was spouting drivel about how " what's often forgotten is that Saints have spent 100 million pounds on that squad in the prem"
Much as it hurts to admit it, the brutish Allardyce is not far off when he says Saints have spent 100 million on the squad. Regrettably, much of it has not been very productive. Consider the following:

Osvaldo 13.3 million - wasted.
Wanyama 12.7 million -jury still out.
Rodriguez 7.6 million - excellent value!
Ramires 13.3 million - jury still out.
Clyne 2.8 million - great value.
Lovren 8.8 million - shrewd investment.
Forren 3 million - who???
Yoshida 2.5 million - debatable, could yet deliver.
Mayuka 3.5 million - wasted.
Gazziniga 2.7 million - wasted.
Sharp 1.9 million - never showed quality.
Fox - 1.8 million - ditto on above.
Cork .75 million - wow! bargain!
SRL 1 million - probably the best deal we've done.

That's around 75 million but have we really done due diligence in the transfer market? For a "smaller" club we really must take far greater care in assessing potential signings. I reckon at least half of the above transfer fees have been ill-judged and now we're paying the price
Generally agree but you have a very short memory there.

To say Sharp and Fox have never shown quality I think disrespect their role in getting us promoted to the Prem?
[quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Boruc - free Shaw - free Fonte - £1.2m Lovren - £8m Chambers - free Schniderlin - £2m Cork - £750k Lallana - free Davis - £2m Gallagher - free Lambert - £1m Every single team above us and most below us have at least one player who cost more than our current starting 11. The fact we are lying eighth is testimony to the best academy on the planet at this moment and some shred decisions by Cortese starting with getting Markus to buy the club. We were driven by a vision - the players, fans and everyone associated with the club bought into that vision. Ralph is now tasked with delivering this once in a lifetime opportunity. Never again are we likely to have such a bunch of talented youngsters emerge all at once. They have come out one by one and effectively stated they will stay if MoPo is retained and the squad improved. MoPo is making it clear he will stay - provided there is ambition here to match his and the players. We now face one of the most challenging summers ever faced by a Southampton chairman. He will be bombarded by attempts to prize away our key assets, including using the media to unsettle them. Against that backdrop he has to spend and spend big due to the quality we need to sign. He needs to be able to sell the vision to players who previously would not have considered signing for Southampton. That is the only way the vision will be realised. Ralph are you up to this?[/p][/quote]Did everyone see that dinosaur Fat Sam on Goals on Sunday? Saying we've done well, but couldn't help himself, and was spouting drivel about how " what's often forgotten is that Saints have spent 100 million pounds on that squad in the prem"[/p][/quote]Much as it hurts to admit it, the brutish Allardyce is not far off when he says Saints have spent 100 million on the squad. Regrettably, much of it has not been very productive. Consider the following: Osvaldo 13.3 million - wasted. Wanyama 12.7 million -jury still out. Rodriguez 7.6 million - excellent value! Ramires 13.3 million - jury still out. Clyne 2.8 million - great value. Lovren 8.8 million - shrewd investment. Forren 3 million - who??? Yoshida 2.5 million - debatable, could yet deliver. Mayuka 3.5 million - wasted. Gazziniga 2.7 million - wasted. Sharp 1.9 million - never showed quality. Fox - 1.8 million - ditto on above. Cork .75 million - wow! bargain! SRL 1 million - probably the best deal we've done. That's around 75 million but have we really done due diligence in the transfer market? For a "smaller" club we really must take far greater care in assessing potential signings. I reckon at least half of the above transfer fees have been ill-judged and now we're paying the price[/p][/quote]Generally agree but you have a very short memory there. To say Sharp and Fox have never shown quality I think disrespect their role in getting us promoted to the Prem? StHuey
  • Score: 4

12:01pm Wed 23 Apr 14

NikkkoNik says...

Fair plays rules...has anyone been told they will not play in Europe next season? Until a club is forced to do this and then a lengthy legal battle, it means nothing. Barcelona don't forget are challenging the right to stop them buying new players, oh and guess what, it's been suspended they can still buy, ummmm.

We could loose 11 players this summer and the manager with his team. This is the biggest summer our new board will face for a long time. Many of the players are on low wages, to what they could get elsewhere. We need 3 players plus replacements for any that depart.

New Goalkeeper, attacking midfielder with pace and striker with pace.

Players that are under threat are:-
Shaw
Lallana
Loven (Talent, Liverpool are keen to sign)
Spider (looking to leave last year)
Cork (last year of contract)
Ramirez (not proven and struggling)
Dani Osvaldo (likewise)
Prado (past sell by date)
Mayuka (on loan, need to broom)
Fox (on loan, need to broom)
Sharp (as above)
Barnard (as above)
Fair plays rules...has anyone been told they will not play in Europe next season? Until a club is forced to do this and then a lengthy legal battle, it means nothing. Barcelona don't forget are challenging the right to stop them buying new players, oh and guess what, it's been suspended they can still buy, ummmm. We could loose 11 players this summer and the manager with his team. This is the biggest summer our new board will face for a long time. Many of the players are on low wages, to what they could get elsewhere. We need 3 players plus replacements for any that depart. New Goalkeeper, attacking midfielder with pace and striker with pace. Players that are under threat are:- Shaw Lallana Loven (Talent, Liverpool are keen to sign) Spider (looking to leave last year) Cork (last year of contract) Ramirez (not proven and struggling) Dani Osvaldo (likewise) Prado (past sell by date) Mayuka (on loan, need to broom) Fox (on loan, need to broom) Sharp (as above) Barnard (as above) NikkkoNik
  • Score: -3

12:10pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Jesus_02 says...

StHuey wrote:
expatsaint wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: Boruc - free Shaw - free Fonte - £1.2m Lovren - £8m Chambers - free Schniderlin - £2m Cork - £750k Lallana - free Davis - £2m Gallagher - free Lambert - £1m Every single team above us and most below us have at least one player who cost more than our current starting 11. The fact we are lying eighth is testimony to the best academy on the planet at this moment and some shred decisions by Cortese starting with getting Markus to buy the club. We were driven by a vision - the players, fans and everyone associated with the club bought into that vision. Ralph is now tasked with delivering this once in a lifetime opportunity. Never again are we likely to have such a bunch of talented youngsters emerge all at once. They have come out one by one and effectively stated they will stay if MoPo is retained and the squad improved. MoPo is making it clear he will stay - provided there is ambition here to match his and the players. We now face one of the most challenging summers ever faced by a Southampton chairman. He will be bombarded by attempts to prize away our key assets, including using the media to unsettle them. Against that backdrop he has to spend and spend big due to the quality we need to sign. He needs to be able to sell the vision to players who previously would not have considered signing for Southampton. That is the only way the vision will be realised. Ralph are you up to this?
Did everyone see that dinosaur Fat Sam on Goals on Sunday? Saying we've done well, but couldn't help himself, and was spouting drivel about how " what's often forgotten is that Saints have spent 100 million pounds on that squad in the prem"
Much as it hurts to admit it, the brutish Allardyce is not far off when he says Saints have spent 100 million on the squad. Regrettably, much of it has not been very productive. Consider the following: Osvaldo 13.3 million - wasted. Wanyama 12.7 million -jury still out. Rodriguez 7.6 million - excellent value! Ramires 13.3 million - jury still out. Clyne 2.8 million - great value. Lovren 8.8 million - shrewd investment. Forren 3 million - who??? Yoshida 2.5 million - debatable, could yet deliver. Mayuka 3.5 million - wasted. Gazziniga 2.7 million - wasted. Sharp 1.9 million - never showed quality. Fox - 1.8 million - ditto on above. Cork .75 million - wow! bargain! SRL 1 million - probably the best deal we've done. That's around 75 million but have we really done due diligence in the transfer market? For a "smaller" club we really must take far greater care in assessing potential signings. I reckon at least half of the above transfer fees have been ill-judged and now we're paying the price
Generally agree but you have a very short memory there. To say Sharp and Fox have never shown quality I think disrespect their role in getting us promoted to the Prem?
Based on what it would take for saints to sell players I reckon we have done pretty well in th transfer market.

To say theJury is still out on Wanyama is as bit daft how much would another team have to pay for him?... Also the 1.8m spent on Sharp effectivly put us in the prem - bad deal?

Anyway my assessment is that we are about 25-30m up in terms of value. This allows for an error margin of 6m in my estimates (I am also unsure of the fees being mentioned e.g Osvaldo was 12m plus add ons (which we wouldnt have to pay)

Cost Recoup
Osvaldo 13.3 12
Wanyama 12.7 15
Rodriguez 7.6 20
Ramires 13.3 15
Clyne 2.8 15
Lovren 8.8 15
Forren 3 2.5
Yoshida 2.5 1.5
Mayuka 3.5 2
Gazziniga 2.7 1
Sharp 1.8 0.8
Fox 1.8 0
Cork 0.75 5
SRL 1 7
75.55 111.8
[quote][p][bold]StHuey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]expatsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Boruc - free Shaw - free Fonte - £1.2m Lovren - £8m Chambers - free Schniderlin - £2m Cork - £750k Lallana - free Davis - £2m Gallagher - free Lambert - £1m Every single team above us and most below us have at least one player who cost more than our current starting 11. The fact we are lying eighth is testimony to the best academy on the planet at this moment and some shred decisions by Cortese starting with getting Markus to buy the club. We were driven by a vision - the players, fans and everyone associated with the club bought into that vision. Ralph is now tasked with delivering this once in a lifetime opportunity. Never again are we likely to have such a bunch of talented youngsters emerge all at once. They have come out one by one and effectively stated they will stay if MoPo is retained and the squad improved. MoPo is making it clear he will stay - provided there is ambition here to match his and the players. We now face one of the most challenging summers ever faced by a Southampton chairman. He will be bombarded by attempts to prize away our key assets, including using the media to unsettle them. Against that backdrop he has to spend and spend big due to the quality we need to sign. He needs to be able to sell the vision to players who previously would not have considered signing for Southampton. That is the only way the vision will be realised. Ralph are you up to this?[/p][/quote]Did everyone see that dinosaur Fat Sam on Goals on Sunday? Saying we've done well, but couldn't help himself, and was spouting drivel about how " what's often forgotten is that Saints have spent 100 million pounds on that squad in the prem"[/p][/quote]Much as it hurts to admit it, the brutish Allardyce is not far off when he says Saints have spent 100 million on the squad. Regrettably, much of it has not been very productive. Consider the following: Osvaldo 13.3 million - wasted. Wanyama 12.7 million -jury still out. Rodriguez 7.6 million - excellent value! Ramires 13.3 million - jury still out. Clyne 2.8 million - great value. Lovren 8.8 million - shrewd investment. Forren 3 million - who??? Yoshida 2.5 million - debatable, could yet deliver. Mayuka 3.5 million - wasted. Gazziniga 2.7 million - wasted. Sharp 1.9 million - never showed quality. Fox - 1.8 million - ditto on above. Cork .75 million - wow! bargain! SRL 1 million - probably the best deal we've done. That's around 75 million but have we really done due diligence in the transfer market? For a "smaller" club we really must take far greater care in assessing potential signings. I reckon at least half of the above transfer fees have been ill-judged and now we're paying the price[/p][/quote]Generally agree but you have a very short memory there. To say Sharp and Fox have never shown quality I think disrespect their role in getting us promoted to the Prem?[/p][/quote]Based on what it would take for saints to sell players I reckon we have done pretty well in th transfer market. To say theJury is still out on Wanyama is as bit daft how much would another team have to pay for him?... Also the 1.8m spent on Sharp effectivly put us in the prem - bad deal? Anyway my assessment is that we are about 25-30m up in terms of value. This allows for an error margin of 6m in my estimates (I am also unsure of the fees being mentioned e.g Osvaldo was 12m plus add ons (which we wouldnt have to pay) Cost Recoup Osvaldo 13.3 12 Wanyama 12.7 15 Rodriguez 7.6 20 Ramires 13.3 15 Clyne 2.8 15 Lovren 8.8 15 Forren 3 2.5 Yoshida 2.5 1.5 Mayuka 3.5 2 Gazziniga 2.7 1 Sharp 1.8 0.8 Fox 1.8 0 Cork 0.75 5 SRL 1 7 75.55 111.8 Jesus_02
  • Score: 0

12:17pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Jesus_02 says...

Osvaldo 13.3M - 12M
Wanyama 12.7M - 15M
Rodriguez 7.6M - 20M
Ramires 13.3M - 15M
Clyne 2.8M - 15M
Lovren 8.8M - 15M
Forren 3M - 2.5M
Yoshida 2.5M - 1.5M
Mayuka 3.5M - 2M
Gazziniga 2.7M - 1M
Sharp 1.8M - 0.8M
Fox 1.8M - 0M
Cork 0.75M - 5M
SRL 1M - 7M

Spend 75.55M Value 111.8M
Osvaldo 13.3M - 12M Wanyama 12.7M - 15M Rodriguez 7.6M - 20M Ramires 13.3M - 15M Clyne 2.8M - 15M Lovren 8.8M - 15M Forren 3M - 2.5M Yoshida 2.5M - 1.5M Mayuka 3.5M - 2M Gazziniga 2.7M - 1M Sharp 1.8M - 0.8M Fox 1.8M - 0M Cork 0.75M - 5M SRL 1M - 7M Spend 75.55M Value 111.8M Jesus_02
  • Score: 0

12:19pm Wed 23 Apr 14

StHuey says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
There was a good story on the BBC from their top Sports writer whose name escapes me at the minute. He pointed to the current crop of Saints players coming through and the money from the Liebher family but that the new UEFA fair play rules how they were meant to control the bigger teams have actually damaged teams like Saints. This was the reason why Cortese opposed the plans because where we would love to spend big again this summer and benefit from the best academy players since the class of '92 from Utd we would never be able to compete with the success back then because they were able to have the top Senior players around them that Saints won't be able to afford and keep within the Financial Fair Play.

What it means is we might have to sell Shaw for £30m this summer to reinvest in the squad even though we could afford to buy more without selling. Lallana has to stay though and MP has to stay.
I believe it was an article in the Daily Mail, so it actually doesn't have much credibility and as you indicate, was more pitched at why we would sell Shaw.
FFP could be a problem, but we are currently fine. We will only know the effect of FFP when we see what happens to Man City. They are in breach of rules, especially if their Etihad commercial deal is identified as not value for money and the sham investment that it is.
Maybe the Liebherr engineering company could pay Saints to build their new stadium because they want long term naming rights??? :D
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: There was a good story on the BBC from their top Sports writer whose name escapes me at the minute. He pointed to the current crop of Saints players coming through and the money from the Liebher family but that the new UEFA fair play rules how they were meant to control the bigger teams have actually damaged teams like Saints. This was the reason why Cortese opposed the plans because where we would love to spend big again this summer and benefit from the best academy players since the class of '92 from Utd we would never be able to compete with the success back then because they were able to have the top Senior players around them that Saints won't be able to afford and keep within the Financial Fair Play. What it means is we might have to sell Shaw for £30m this summer to reinvest in the squad even though we could afford to buy more without selling. Lallana has to stay though and MP has to stay.[/p][/quote]I believe it was an article in the Daily Mail, so it actually doesn't have much credibility and as you indicate, was more pitched at why we would sell Shaw. FFP could be a problem, but we are currently fine. We will only know the effect of FFP when we see what happens to Man City. They are in breach of rules, especially if their Etihad commercial deal is identified as not value for money and the sham investment that it is. Maybe the Liebherr engineering company could pay Saints to build their new stadium because they want long term naming rights??? :D StHuey
  • Score: 2

1:08pm Wed 23 Apr 14

batesieboy says...

StHuey wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
There was a good story on the BBC from their top Sports writer whose name escapes me at the minute. He pointed to the current crop of Saints players coming through and the money from the Liebher family but that the new UEFA fair play rules how they were meant to control the bigger teams have actually damaged teams like Saints. This was the reason why Cortese opposed the plans because where we would love to spend big again this summer and benefit from the best academy players since the class of '92 from Utd we would never be able to compete with the success back then because they were able to have the top Senior players around them that Saints won't be able to afford and keep within the Financial Fair Play.

What it means is we might have to sell Shaw for £30m this summer to reinvest in the squad even though we could afford to buy more without selling. Lallana has to stay though and MP has to stay.
I believe it was an article in the Daily Mail, so it actually doesn't have much credibility and as you indicate, was more pitched at why we would sell Shaw.
FFP could be a problem, but we are currently fine. We will only know the effect of FFP when we see what happens to Man City. They are in breach of rules, especially if their Etihad commercial deal is identified as not value for money and the sham investment that it is.
Maybe the Liebherr engineering company could pay Saints to build their new stadium because they want long term naming rights??? :D
Berlusconi had his building company add a ring to the San Siro, his insurance company insure his team, his Channel 5 broadcasting AC Milan matches, and they were really good....is there anything wrong with this, and if there is would FFP ever really work? (Hasn't Monsieur Platini gone rather quiet on all this since PSG...?)
[quote][p][bold]StHuey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: There was a good story on the BBC from their top Sports writer whose name escapes me at the minute. He pointed to the current crop of Saints players coming through and the money from the Liebher family but that the new UEFA fair play rules how they were meant to control the bigger teams have actually damaged teams like Saints. This was the reason why Cortese opposed the plans because where we would love to spend big again this summer and benefit from the best academy players since the class of '92 from Utd we would never be able to compete with the success back then because they were able to have the top Senior players around them that Saints won't be able to afford and keep within the Financial Fair Play. What it means is we might have to sell Shaw for £30m this summer to reinvest in the squad even though we could afford to buy more without selling. Lallana has to stay though and MP has to stay.[/p][/quote]I believe it was an article in the Daily Mail, so it actually doesn't have much credibility and as you indicate, was more pitched at why we would sell Shaw. FFP could be a problem, but we are currently fine. We will only know the effect of FFP when we see what happens to Man City. They are in breach of rules, especially if their Etihad commercial deal is identified as not value for money and the sham investment that it is. Maybe the Liebherr engineering company could pay Saints to build their new stadium because they want long term naming rights??? :D[/p][/quote]Berlusconi had his building company add a ring to the San Siro, his insurance company insure his team, his Channel 5 broadcasting AC Milan matches, and they were really good....is there anything wrong with this, and if there is would FFP ever really work? (Hasn't Monsieur Platini gone rather quiet on all this since PSG...?) batesieboy
  • Score: 0

1:55pm Wed 23 Apr 14

drummernath says...

Sorry to jump on the bandwagon, but I'm getting sick of the number of errors in these articles. Poor grammar, spelling mistakes, and incorrect stats about players, not to mention Wanyama suddenly being Nigerian.

Sort it out Echo, I could do a better job than this.
Sorry to jump on the bandwagon, but I'm getting sick of the number of errors in these articles. Poor grammar, spelling mistakes, and incorrect stats about players, not to mention Wanyama suddenly being Nigerian. Sort it out Echo, I could do a better job than this. drummernath
  • Score: 1

2:01pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

I'm getting sick of the amount of people who clearly do not understand the FFP rules.

Saints will be fine. We don't need to sell anyone.
We are perfectly set up to take advantage of these new rules.
I'm getting sick of the amount of people who clearly do not understand the FFP rules. Saints will be fine. We don't need to sell anyone. We are perfectly set up to take advantage of these new rules. Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 1

2:13pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

I'm surprised at how many commenters on here don't seem to understand the difference between building a squad with depth and picking the team for a particular match. In the squad of a top level team, you'd expect to see expensive players sitting on the bench.
I'm surprised at how many commenters on here don't seem to understand the difference between building a squad with depth and picking the team for a particular match. In the squad of a top level team, you'd expect to see expensive players sitting on the bench. Rising_Son
  • Score: 3

3:00pm Wed 23 Apr 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
I'm surprised at how many commenters on here don't seem to understand the difference between building a squad with depth and picking the team for a particular match. In the squad of a top level team, you'd expect to see expensive players sitting on the bench.
And whilst we are building the squad it would be daft to reduce the size by getting rid of players like guly and Hoover, they will be replaced in time but its counterproductive to do so while trying to increase the overall squad size. Doesn't mean they will play but as back up they could do a job.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: I'm surprised at how many commenters on here don't seem to understand the difference between building a squad with depth and picking the team for a particular match. In the squad of a top level team, you'd expect to see expensive players sitting on the bench.[/p][/quote]And whilst we are building the squad it would be daft to reduce the size by getting rid of players like guly and Hoover, they will be replaced in time but its counterproductive to do so while trying to increase the overall squad size. Doesn't mean they will play but as back up they could do a job. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 0

4:19pm Wed 23 Apr 14

NikkkoNik says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
Osvaldo 13.3M - 12M
Wanyama 12.7M - 15M
Rodriguez 7.6M - 20M
Ramires 13.3M - 15M
Clyne 2.8M - 15M
Lovren 8.8M - 15M
Forren 3M - 2.5M
Yoshida 2.5M - 1.5M
Mayuka 3.5M - 2M
Gazziniga 2.7M - 1M
Sharp 1.8M - 0.8M
Fox 1.8M - 0M
Cork 0.75M - 5M
SRL 1M - 7M

Spend 75.55M Value 111.8M
Osvaldo 13.3M - 10M
Wanyama 12.7M - 15M
Rodriguez 7.6M - 20M
Ramires 13.3M - 7M
Clyne 2.8M - 15M
Lovren 8.8M - 20M
Forren 3M - 2.5M
Yoshida 2.5M - 1.5M
Mayuka 3.5M - 1M
Gazziniga 2.7M - 0.3M
Sharp 1.8M - 0.8M
Fox 1.8M - 0M
Cork 0.75M - 8M
SRL 1M - 5M
Shaw 0 - 30M
Lallana 0.5 25M
Chambers 0 - 7M
Spend 80M Value 168M
PLUS
Increase revenue form league one
League one = 5M est
Champoinship = 10M est
Prem 2012/13 =40M
Prem 2013/14=80M
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: Osvaldo 13.3M - 12M Wanyama 12.7M - 15M Rodriguez 7.6M - 20M Ramires 13.3M - 15M Clyne 2.8M - 15M Lovren 8.8M - 15M Forren 3M - 2.5M Yoshida 2.5M - 1.5M Mayuka 3.5M - 2M Gazziniga 2.7M - 1M Sharp 1.8M - 0.8M Fox 1.8M - 0M Cork 0.75M - 5M SRL 1M - 7M Spend 75.55M Value 111.8M[/p][/quote]Osvaldo 13.3M - 10M Wanyama 12.7M - 15M Rodriguez 7.6M - 20M Ramires 13.3M - 7M Clyne 2.8M - 15M Lovren 8.8M - 20M Forren 3M - 2.5M Yoshida 2.5M - 1.5M Mayuka 3.5M - 1M Gazziniga 2.7M - 0.3M Sharp 1.8M - 0.8M Fox 1.8M - 0M Cork 0.75M - 8M SRL 1M - 5M Shaw 0 - 30M Lallana 0.5 25M Chambers 0 - 7M Spend 80M Value 168M PLUS Increase revenue form league one League one = 5M est Champoinship = 10M est Prem 2012/13 =40M Prem 2013/14=80M NikkkoNik
  • Score: -1

6:54pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Epsom Saint says...

Surely we didn't spend 2.7m on Gazza? Where did that number come from - I can only find references to an undisclosed fee?
Surely we didn't spend 2.7m on Gazza? Where did that number come from - I can only find references to an undisclosed fee? Epsom Saint
  • Score: 0

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