England star and Southampton FC captain Adam Lallana gives exclusive interview to the Daily Echo

Adam Lallana celebrates scoring at White Hart Lane

Adam Lallana in action for England

Adam Lallana on board HMS Daring

Adam Lallana on the ball at the Etihad Stadium

Adam Lallana with his awards at the 2014 Saints Awards Dinner

Adam Lallana celebrates at Craven Cottage

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ADAM Lallana has never been your stereotypical footballer, and it’s exactly that which has made him the byword for everything that has been so good about Saints in recent years.

Loyalty, commitment, hard work, talent and a special bond with all facets of the club mark him out as someone very special, as well of course of those mesmerisingly quick feet, that incredible vision and wondrous movement on the field.

That Lallana has been through the bad times at Saints since joining as a 12-year-old before reaching the club’s current lofty heights is a story that inspires and also represents something very special.

Just being around the squad and the club at the moment, it’s as if there is a realisation that this is a unique moment in time.

There is a group of players and a manager that have a very special bond.

These things are only fleeting, they never last forever, but they are incredible when they come along.

“People say that’s what it looks like and it’s not just what it looks like, it’s what it is,” reflected Lallana.

Daily Echo: Adam Lallana on the ball at the Etihad Stadium

“We have a really close knit group here.

“A lot of us have been together for many years now and a lot have been bred through the academy and they were looking up to us maybe a few years ago and now they are part of it.

“It’s a special group here.”

The Saints squad are more than just teammates, they are friends too. That so many of them have worked their way up through the divisions at the club is a massive reason for their top flight success.

It’s also a reason they are as they are.

The last time Saints were in the Premier League the Staplewood car park was full of Lamborghinis and Ferraris.

The wages have gone up considerably since then but the vehicles are far more understated.

Daily Echo: Adam Lallana on board HMS Daring

It somehow just encapsulates the personality of the group, and Lallana as its leader.

They are confident in their abilities – you need to be to perform at that level – but their past means they remain grounded, humble and grateful.

For Lallana, as somebody who has seen so much at Saints, it’s even more remarkable.

“The last few weeks I’ve had a bit of time to look back at the last few years,” said the man who has picked up all the major end of season club honours in recent weeks as well as being named in the PFA team of the Year.

“When I look back as far as when I was 12 and I came here, there have been a lot of ups and a lot of downs along the way.

“It just makes it even more special that this season we’ve capped it off with a very special year.

“Going into the last game, it’s a nice position to be in, a great game to have and a great day for the fans.”

He added: “It’s been massively hard work.

“When we were in administration five or six years ago people were saying I was going to leave but it was never in my head at all. I wanted to give back to Southampton as much as I could.

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“The last six years have been tremendous – back-to-back promotions, establishing ourselves in the Premier League has been phenomenal.”

Lallana is the first to hold his hands up and admit the rise through the leagues with Saints benefitted him as a player.

“If the club had gone into liquidation, of course, I might have left. But when Alan Pardew got appointed and the Liebherr family came in and saved the club I felt I needed to play games,” he recalled.

“In League One I had two great seasons and I wouldn’t change it for the world.

“I just felt like I gradually progressed parallel with the club as we went up the divisions. “When I was young I didn’t have the X-factor that the Chamberlains, Bales and Walcotts had.

“It was good for me to be at Southampton and get 40 games a season in League One twice, then the Championship, then the past couple of years in the Premier League.”

Lallana’s international journey has been quite remarkable.

Even a year ago he was not really spoken about for England honours.

On Monday afternoon he will almost certainly be named in Roy Hodgson’s squad for the World Cup.

It’s a far cry from his first season back in the Premier League where Mauricio Pochettino, pictured left, had to talk him out of quitting as captain.

Daily Echo: Adam Lallana celebrates at Craven Cottage

“I felt this year has been a big year for me. I feel a lot more settled with the captaincy this year,” he confessed.

“It did weigh on me. There is no secret about it.

“I spoke to a few people about it and even giving it up because I felt it was having an impact on my performances.

“I spoke to Mauricio about it and he said to me ‘just be patient, there’s time, you’re a young man and these things do take time’. He was right.

“It’s why he will be one of the best managers in the world one day, because he’s not just tactically brilliant, his man management skills and knowledge of the game is exceptional.

“That’s why it’s a privilege to have done so well this season under him.”

Speaking of his England debut last November against Chile, he smiled: “Playing for England was such a proud moment for me and to have that day where all my family were at England watching me hopefully repaid to some extent all the mileage they did for me when I was growing up.

“It’s a great life we live as footballers but it’s tough as well at times and to have my family travelling to every away game and watching me and showing their support means so much to me. “All my pressure is there but I really just want to impress my dad and my mum when they are at games. It’s strange for me when they’re not at a game.”

Despite all that, there have been strict rules imposed in the Lallana households when it comes to speaking about a possible trip to Brazil this summer.

“I’ve said all along that I’ve tried not think about it. It’s been the banned word in our household,” he admitted.

“There comes a time when I suppose you’ve got to start thinking about it, especially when the announcement’s around the corner.

“I will be listening in like you guys will, hoping for that call.

“My family know how I feel about it and I’ve had a job in hand all season with Southampton.

“Obviously my dream is to be involved but they don’t want to put any unwanted pressure on me by talking about it.”

Lallana has been one of several Saints players at the centre of intense speculation surrounding his future, being linked with Liverpool, Manchester United and Tottenham.

You have to feel for him in some ways, as you do for the others such as Luke Shaw, Morgan Schneiderlin and, of course, manager Mauricio Pochettino.

It is a delicate topic to broach.

While fans want to hear undying loyalty and commitment – and Lallana’s actions down the years have already proven that – it’s not as black and white as people like to portray it as.

This group of players has achieved marvellously, but only because they are so hungry and ambitious for success.

They want more of it, and at Saints, but they also recognise that to make that next step up requires a big financial commitment from the club.

Nobody is certain whether that will come or not and, if it doesn’t and massive clubs already in that next echelon are willing to pay the requisite money for them and offer them another step on the ladder – it’s hard to turn down, no matter how loyal and committed you are.

Daily Echo: Adam Lallana with his awards at the 2014 Saints Awards Dinner

Lallana is honest and reflective about the issues in hand and, to be fair to him, says about as much as you could possibly expect and doesn’t duck the topic.

“I echo what the manager has said – it’s a good thing,” he said of all the speculation.

“People say about how well we’ve done this season and the recognition for the youth team and the lads coming through and with that success will bring rumours and the top teams in Europe looking at our players.

“It only means good things. It means we are doing well and doing the right things well.

“The youth policy and the structure here is probably what teams look at and, if they can’t produce them themselves, they are going to want to come and get them from teams that do. “It’s a bit of a strange one, but that’s what happens when you have success.”

He continued: “Everyone has got to be realistic.

“Five years ago we were in League One and we’ve come on leaps and bounds, especially this last season.

“There will be decisions made in the summer on what kind of route the club will take in terms of whether we really do push on and go again and look to really improve.

“If that’s the case we want to keep our best players and our manager.”

Lallana is adamant the base is already in place for success, and that the players have proven it.

It has been a special season and the players fully deserve their moment of glory.

“The base is here because we have had the base this season.

“It’s just whether financially the club can compete – look at the top seven this year and you see Tottenham spent £100m last summer and are not going to get Champions League football.

“There is a reason it’s one of the best leagues in the world. Manchester United are finishing seventh this year and look at the money they have pumped into their squad and they were champions last year.

“We feel we have won our own league this year.

“We feel we’ve had such a special season and again going back to why there are rumours about our manager and our players it’s because we achieved something really special.”

It’s true and underlines once more what an incredible piece of Saints history this is, and why it should be enjoyed for what it is now, regardless of where the future takes anybody.

To their great credit, Lallana and his teammates seem to have the intelligence and perception to understand that.

It’s why this wonderfully unique moment has happened in the first place.

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9:06am Thu 8 May 14

Rob The Saint NOT in NZ says...

If the Club commit to the future, financially, then he, Mo Po & everyone else will stay. Simples.
If the Club commit to the future, financially, then he, Mo Po & everyone else will stay. Simples. Rob The Saint NOT in NZ
  • Score: 62

9:15am Thu 8 May 14

St.Yorkie says...

A good read. Let's all hope we push on and commit!
I'd love European football via the top 4 as I can afford to go now!
Call me an old glory hunter - but I really feel we have a team to be proud of! No longer the pub for old pros to get one last pay packet - I even think some of the younger talent from all over may want to join the revolution taking place.
My club with a big heart...
I'm a believer again - the last 5-years have been simply the best despite not winning either League 1 or The Championship. We have won a trophy and had a great day out at the new Wembley.
It's going to be a long summer - but with the World Cup not many deals will be done before preseason starts. Let's hope we an l pull together next year too!
A good read. Let's all hope we push on and commit! I'd love European football via the top 4 as I can afford to go now! Call me an old glory hunter - but I really feel we have a team to be proud of! No longer the pub for old pros to get one last pay packet - I even think some of the younger talent from all over may want to join the revolution taking place. My club with a big heart... I'm a believer again - the last 5-years have been simply the best despite not winning either League 1 or The Championship. We have won a trophy and had a great day out at the new Wembley. It's going to be a long summer - but with the World Cup not many deals will be done before preseason starts. Let's hope we an l pull together next year too! St.Yorkie
  • Score: 42

9:20am Thu 8 May 14

andoru says...

Pretty clear – Lallana to stay so long as the club want him and continue to push on. Love that comment about needing to "keep our best players" as if he's not one of them. That's what we need. When you get players thinking they are better than those around them, you go nowhere as a club. That kind of player just leaves. We need players who see themselves as just one in a group, and I believe that's what we have. Naturally this has an impact on our recruitment policy to an extent – we don't want any more Osvaldo's coming in to upset the apple cart. They need to recruit talent, but of the right calibre mentally as well as athletically. Lallana himself is a fantastic example of that. No wonder they made him captain.
Pretty clear – Lallana to stay so long as the club want him and continue to push on. Love that comment about needing to "keep our best players" as if he's not one of them. That's what we need. When you get players thinking they are better than those around them, you go nowhere as a club. That kind of player just leaves. We need players who see themselves as just one in a group, and I believe that's what we have. Naturally this has an impact on our recruitment policy to an extent – we don't want any more Osvaldo's coming in to upset the apple cart. They need to recruit talent, but of the right calibre mentally as well as athletically. Lallana himself is a fantastic example of that. No wonder they made him captain. andoru
  • Score: 59

9:20am Thu 8 May 14

Alicesdad says...

This is a very long article - it merits several readings. I do not doubt Adams loyalty for one moment but the possibility of a world cup stage and the consequent possibility of doubling his income elsewhere is only going in one direction as far as I can see. He's letting us down gently.

This group of players has been special, we all hope it can be built on and the big names will stay. I always hope that is the case, but it can't last forever.

Time move on and change is inevitable. I really doubt that the core that has been here through the tough times will be intact next season. I think the new board will capitalise on some of the "value added players", but then again I also expect some investment too. We are still not a club that immediately attracts big name international players, that takes time, and maybe we have done too well too soon.

If we keep both Adam and Luke then it will be a massive sign of future intentions and that would also influence MoPo to stay as well. We all know this.. and thats what we are waiting to see.

It will be an interesting few months.
This is a very long article - it merits several readings. I do not doubt Adams loyalty for one moment but the possibility of a world cup stage and the consequent possibility of doubling his income elsewhere is only going in one direction as far as I can see. He's letting us down gently. This group of players has been special, we all hope it can be built on and the big names will stay. I always hope that is the case, but it can't last forever. Time move on and change is inevitable. I really doubt that the core that has been here through the tough times will be intact next season. I think the new board will capitalise on some of the "value added players", but then again I also expect some investment too. We are still not a club that immediately attracts big name international players, that takes time, and maybe we have done too well too soon. If we keep both Adam and Luke then it will be a massive sign of future intentions and that would also influence MoPo to stay as well. We all know this.. and thats what we are waiting to see. It will be an interesting few months. Alicesdad
  • Score: 9

9:48am Thu 8 May 14

ToastyTea says...

Where the hell is that 2nd pic of Lallana from where he appears to be sitting in a bar of some sort gazing lovingly into the eyes of a sailor ?
Where the hell is that 2nd pic of Lallana from where he appears to be sitting in a bar of some sort gazing lovingly into the eyes of a sailor ? ToastyTea
  • Score: -19

9:50am Thu 8 May 14

andoru says...

ToastyTea wrote:
Where the hell is that 2nd pic of Lallana from where he appears to be sitting in a bar of some sort gazing lovingly into the eyes of a sailor ?
It's from yesterday's story of him being press-ganged into the Royal Navy and forced to go to Portsmouth (well, a visit he made to a ship – it's on the DE website).
[quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: Where the hell is that 2nd pic of Lallana from where he appears to be sitting in a bar of some sort gazing lovingly into the eyes of a sailor ?[/p][/quote]It's from yesterday's story of him being press-ganged into the Royal Navy and forced to go to Portsmouth (well, a visit he made to a ship – it's on the DE website). andoru
  • Score: 7

9:53am Thu 8 May 14

ToastyTea says...

Was this interview done before or after the awards ?? it appears to have been done before the awards as no mention of the awards in the interview and we all saw his reaction to the last question, but I still have faith he will be a Saint, hope he will be the next Le Tiss and remain with us the rest of his career.
Was this interview done before or after the awards ?? it appears to have been done before the awards as no mention of the awards in the interview and we all saw his reaction to the last question, but I still have faith he will be a Saint, hope he will be the next Le Tiss and remain with us the rest of his career. ToastyTea
  • Score: 4

9:57am Thu 8 May 14

saint christopher says...

Club, players and manager are all continuing to say the right things but as so many have recognised it all now depends on how much the new board is willing to take us to the next level which is a huge step.

Everyone says what a brilliant season we've had (and that of course is true given our progress) but let's not ignore the fact that the team immediately above us have 8 points more than Saints and a +13 better goal difference.... a team who everyone agrees have had an awul season! We're still some way from mixing it with the big boys.
Club, players and manager are all continuing to say the right things but as so many have recognised it all now depends on how much the new board is willing to take us to the next level which is a huge step. Everyone says what a brilliant season we've had (and that of course is true given our progress) but let's not ignore the fact that the team immediately above us have 8 points more than Saints and a +13 better goal difference.... a team who everyone agrees have had an awul season! We're still some way from mixing it with the big boys. saint christopher
  • Score: -14

10:02am Thu 8 May 14

philiprhampton says...

A great read well said, it will be a shame if this group on and off the pitch were to break up. More investment would be great it seems money does mean everything, but loyalty is also a kind of investment COYRs.
A great read well said, it will be a shame if this group on and off the pitch were to break up. More investment would be great it seems money does mean everything, but loyalty is also a kind of investment COYRs. philiprhampton
  • Score: 9

10:02am Thu 8 May 14

philiprhampton says...

A great read well said, it will be a shame if this group on and off the pitch were to break up. More investment would be great it seems money does mean everything, but loyalty is also a kind of investment COYRs.
A great read well said, it will be a shame if this group on and off the pitch were to break up. More investment would be great it seems money does mean everything, but loyalty is also a kind of investment COYRs. philiprhampton
  • Score: 0

10:03am Thu 8 May 14

ToastyTea says...

andoru wrote:
ToastyTea wrote:
Where the hell is that 2nd pic of Lallana from where he appears to be sitting in a bar of some sort gazing lovingly into the eyes of a sailor ?
It's from yesterday's story of him being press-ganged into the Royal Navy and forced to go to Portsmouth (well, a visit he made to a ship – it's on the DE website).
Oh yeah didn't see that story cheers, funny they got someone from Saints onboard instead of Skatemouth.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: Where the hell is that 2nd pic of Lallana from where he appears to be sitting in a bar of some sort gazing lovingly into the eyes of a sailor ?[/p][/quote]It's from yesterday's story of him being press-ganged into the Royal Navy and forced to go to Portsmouth (well, a visit he made to a ship – it's on the DE website).[/p][/quote]Oh yeah didn't see that story cheers, funny they got someone from Saints onboard instead of Skatemouth. ToastyTea
  • Score: -2

10:04am Thu 8 May 14

larMekk says...

Dalai Lallana - «Prayer of the year»?

https://twitter.com/
saabrura/status/4640
42721049849857

:-)
Dalai Lallana - «Prayer of the year»? https://twitter.com/ saabrura/status/4640 42721049849857 :-) larMekk
  • Score: -5

10:16am Thu 8 May 14

andoru says...

ToastyTea wrote:
andoru wrote:
ToastyTea wrote:
Where the hell is that 2nd pic of Lallana from where he appears to be sitting in a bar of some sort gazing lovingly into the eyes of a sailor ?
It's from yesterday's story of him being press-ganged into the Royal Navy and forced to go to Portsmouth (well, a visit he made to a ship – it's on the DE website).
Oh yeah didn't see that story cheers, funny they got someone from Saints onboard instead of Skatemouth.
Well, the sailors see the Portsmouth players all the time. They pour their pints and clean their tables when they're out in town.
[quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: Where the hell is that 2nd pic of Lallana from where he appears to be sitting in a bar of some sort gazing lovingly into the eyes of a sailor ?[/p][/quote]It's from yesterday's story of him being press-ganged into the Royal Navy and forced to go to Portsmouth (well, a visit he made to a ship – it's on the DE website).[/p][/quote]Oh yeah didn't see that story cheers, funny they got someone from Saints onboard instead of Skatemouth.[/p][/quote]Well, the sailors see the Portsmouth players all the time. They pour their pints and clean their tables when they're out in town. andoru
  • Score: 9

10:32am Thu 8 May 14

Confucious says...

Throughout his tenure Nicola kept a pet parrot called Vincenti in his office at St Marys. It was sold by the club the day he left. Whoever bought Vincenti is almost certainly the source of all these rumours.
Throughout his tenure Nicola kept a pet parrot called Vincenti in his office at St Marys. It was sold by the club the day he left. Whoever bought Vincenti is almost certainly the source of all these rumours. Confucious
  • Score: 6

10:36am Thu 8 May 14

ToastyTea says...

Confucious wrote:
Throughout his tenure Nicola kept a pet parrot called Vincenti in his office at St Marys. It was sold by the club the day he left. Whoever bought Vincenti is almost certainly the source of all these rumours.
LOL
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Throughout his tenure Nicola kept a pet parrot called Vincenti in his office at St Marys. It was sold by the club the day he left. Whoever bought Vincenti is almost certainly the source of all these rumours.[/p][/quote]LOL ToastyTea
  • Score: -2

11:12am Thu 8 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

ToastyTea wrote:
Where the hell is that 2nd pic of Lallana from where he appears to be sitting in a bar of some sort gazing lovingly into the eyes of a sailor ?
According to the DE they were on board HMS Darling!
[quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: Where the hell is that 2nd pic of Lallana from where he appears to be sitting in a bar of some sort gazing lovingly into the eyes of a sailor ?[/p][/quote]According to the DE they were on board HMS Darling! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

11:20am Thu 8 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

what a great interview, says it all really. the players want to stay but they want the club to match their ambition. firstly MP needs to be kept and signed on a long term contract, then money needs to be spent on bringing in the right players. if the club can show that they share the players and managers ambition I really feel next season will be our best yet. so come on KL and RK your time to prove yourself is now, lose these players and we will find it very hard to get back into this position.

in other news, did anyone see the sun yesterday? not only does Danni want to stay at juve, but BigVic wants to quit with hoof being interested (though they cant afford him because most of their money goes on buying carrots for donkey!), lalla, Luke and J-rod are expected to leave, despite lalla saying the night before that hes happy here and j-rod being out until at least oct. We are also expected to lose diego lovren! I don't mind if we sell diego lovren as long as dejan lovren stays. unbelievable, how can a paper be expected to be taken seriously if they cant even get a players name right. they did however say that we are going to start talks with MP after the manure game.
what a great interview, says it all really. the players want to stay but they want the club to match their ambition. firstly MP needs to be kept and signed on a long term contract, then money needs to be spent on bringing in the right players. if the club can show that they share the players and managers ambition I really feel next season will be our best yet. so come on KL and RK your time to prove yourself is now, lose these players and we will find it very hard to get back into this position. in other news, did anyone see the sun yesterday? not only does Danni want to stay at juve, but BigVic wants to quit with hoof being interested (though they cant afford him because most of their money goes on buying carrots for donkey!), lalla, Luke and J-rod are expected to leave, despite lalla saying the night before that hes happy here and j-rod being out until at least oct. We are also expected to lose diego lovren! I don't mind if we sell diego lovren as long as dejan lovren stays. unbelievable, how can a paper be expected to be taken seriously if they cant even get a players name right. they did however say that we are going to start talks with MP after the manure game. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 19

11:36am Thu 8 May 14

Costa Baz says...

Someone who attended the Awards night, is claiming, on another forum, that MP and Reed have sorted pre-season and that MP has submitted his list of players he wants to bring in.

On that basis, the club should already have an idea, as to whether or not they will be able to meet MP's requirements, re the funding.
The same person also claimed that talks between MP and Reed were very positive, which hopefully means that the club will meet his needs.

Another "In The Know" poster is claiming that MP has to stay and the budget needs to be £40m, or Lallana is off.

I just hope that the players that are pleading with the board, to invest money to further progress the club, are not stalling that progress by asking for OTT wage increases to stop them from moving on to pastures new.

Who'd be an owner of a football club?
Someone who attended the Awards night, is claiming, on another forum, that MP and Reed have sorted pre-season and that MP has submitted his list of players he wants to bring in. On that basis, the club should already have an idea, as to whether or not they will be able to meet MP's requirements, re the funding. The same person also claimed that talks between MP and Reed were very positive, which hopefully means that the club will meet his needs. Another "In The Know" poster is claiming that MP has to stay and the budget needs to be £40m, or Lallana is off. I just hope that the players that are pleading with the board, to invest money to further progress the club, are not stalling that progress by asking for OTT wage increases to stop them from moving on to pastures new. Who'd be an owner of a football club? Costa Baz
  • Score: 8

11:40am Thu 8 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Confucious wrote:
Throughout his tenure Nicola kept a pet parrot called Vincenti in his office at St Marys. It was sold by the club the day he left. Whoever bought Vincenti is almost certainly the source of all these rumours.
Needs Percy to translate I expect.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Throughout his tenure Nicola kept a pet parrot called Vincenti in his office at St Marys. It was sold by the club the day he left. Whoever bought Vincenti is almost certainly the source of all these rumours.[/p][/quote]Needs Percy to translate I expect. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -5

11:53am Thu 8 May 14

bridgey says...

A little big headed of Adam Leitch to call himself the "leader of the group" :)

"It somehow just encapsulates the personality of the group, and Lallana Adam Leitch as its leader."

A little big headed of Adam Leitch to call himself the "leader of the group" :) "It somehow just encapsulates the personality of the group, and Lallana Adam Leitch as its leader." [nice proof reading, DE] bridgey
  • Score: -5

12:04pm Thu 8 May 14

Bigrich1980 says...

Well if people in the know are claiming the budget is £40M – I would imagine that would be 3 players of around the £12M-£14M mark. Exactly what we done last summer, strengthened well and paid a lot for only a few players. It is a good way to strengthen the squad in just the right areas. I think the main difference between us and breaking the top 6 is a 20 plus goals a season man
Well if people in the know are claiming the budget is £40M – I would imagine that would be 3 players of around the £12M-£14M mark. Exactly what we done last summer, strengthened well and paid a lot for only a few players. It is a good way to strengthen the squad in just the right areas. I think the main difference between us and breaking the top 6 is a 20 plus goals a season man Bigrich1980
  • Score: 12

12:07pm Thu 8 May 14

warrens 76 says...

Many owners of football clubs like us historically had money but not serious money, the financial jump to top for Leeds financially destroyed them..Pmuff almost ceased to exist AND the luckiest of all Chelsea for without Abromovich they were financially worse off than Leeds.

We are in a truly unique position in that 40 million (I said it first,I said it first, so there... last week in fact) could if wisely spent put us in the elite, that is unheard of, never again will we or anybody else be that close….

Now, this is the issue, KL can fund this for fun she is not a Bates or a Risdale, she can actually make 50.000 semi regular saints fans dreams come true, cement her and our place in history……

..can the board and her see it, were they German I would already be scanning booking.com for hotels for 2015/16 ECL….the Swiss wait and see factor and caution is perfect in normal business situations HOWEVER at this moment in time, this very moment in time.. the one time it would work against all of our interests.
Many owners of football clubs like us historically had money but not serious money, the financial jump to top for Leeds financially destroyed them..Pmuff almost ceased to exist AND the luckiest of all Chelsea for without Abromovich they were financially worse off than Leeds. We are in a truly unique position in that 40 million (I said it first,I said it first, so there... last week in fact) could if wisely spent put us in the elite, that is unheard of, never again will we or anybody else be that close…. Now, this is the issue, KL can fund this for fun she is not a Bates or a Risdale, she can actually make 50.000 semi regular saints fans dreams come true, cement her and our place in history…… ..can the board and her see it, were they German I would already be scanning booking.com for hotels for 2015/16 ECL….the Swiss wait and see factor and caution is perfect in normal business situations HOWEVER at this moment in time, this very moment in time.. the one time it would work against all of our interests. warrens 76
  • Score: 5

12:17pm Thu 8 May 14

StElsass says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Someone who attended the Awards night, is claiming, on another forum, that MP and Reed have sorted pre-season and that MP has submitted his list of players he wants to bring in.

On that basis, the club should already have an idea, as to whether or not they will be able to meet MP's requirements, re the funding.
The same person also claimed that talks between MP and Reed were very positive, which hopefully means that the club will meet his needs.

Another "In The Know" poster is claiming that MP has to stay and the budget needs to be £40m, or Lallana is off.

I just hope that the players that are pleading with the board, to invest money to further progress the club, are not stalling that progress by asking for OTT wage increases to stop them from moving on to pastures new.

Who'd be an owner of a football club?
I'm not "In The Know" but I would think that the first scenario is the way things should be done.
We keep reading about the players wanting the club to match their ambitions. but what does that mean in terms of financial commitment?
I mean, if they expect hundreds of millions to be spent they might as well pack their bags now. I imagine, however, MP to be sensible in his demands, but even then, what can he really expect?
I won't be very popular saying that but I still think we should cash in on Shaw. If wants to go to Utd, get money + Hernandez. That would cover the striker requirement (if he wants to come, that is!)
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Someone who attended the Awards night, is claiming, on another forum, that MP and Reed have sorted pre-season and that MP has submitted his list of players he wants to bring in. On that basis, the club should already have an idea, as to whether or not they will be able to meet MP's requirements, re the funding. The same person also claimed that talks between MP and Reed were very positive, which hopefully means that the club will meet his needs. Another "In The Know" poster is claiming that MP has to stay and the budget needs to be £40m, or Lallana is off. I just hope that the players that are pleading with the board, to invest money to further progress the club, are not stalling that progress by asking for OTT wage increases to stop them from moving on to pastures new. Who'd be an owner of a football club?[/p][/quote]I'm not "In The Know" but I would think that the first scenario is the way things should be done. We keep reading about the players wanting the club to match their ambitions. but what does that mean in terms of financial commitment? I mean, if they expect hundreds of millions to be spent they might as well pack their bags now. I imagine, however, MP to be sensible in his demands, but even then, what can he really expect? I won't be very popular saying that but I still think we should cash in on Shaw. If wants to go to Utd, get money + Hernandez. That would cover the striker requirement (if he wants to come, that is!) StElsass
  • Score: -6

12:19pm Thu 8 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

bridgey wrote:
A little big headed of Adam Leitch to call himself the "leader of the group" :)

"It somehow just encapsulates the personality of the group, and Lallana Adam Leitch as its leader."

Just a typo as a result of a dodgy cut and paste. Nobody I know has ever called Adam Lallana big headed and as Captain he is a leader. ~|:o{ )
[quote][p][bold]bridgey[/bold] wrote: A little big headed of Adam Leitch to call himself the "leader of the group" :) "It somehow just encapsulates the personality of the group, and Lallana Adam Leitch as its leader." [nice proof reading, DE][/p][/quote]Just a typo as a result of a dodgy cut and paste. Nobody I know has ever called Adam Lallana big headed and as Captain he is a leader. ~|:o{ ) OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

12:19pm Thu 8 May 14

Jan28th1984 says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Someone who attended the Awards night, is claiming, on another forum, that MP and Reed have sorted pre-season and that MP has submitted his list of players he wants to bring in.

On that basis, the club should already have an idea, as to whether or not they will be able to meet MP's requirements, re the funding.
The same person also claimed that talks between MP and Reed were very positive, which hopefully means that the club will meet his needs.

Another "In The Know" poster is claiming that MP has to stay and the budget needs to be £40m, or Lallana is off.

I just hope that the players that are pleading with the board, to invest money to further progress the club, are not stalling that progress by asking for OTT wage increases to stop them from moving on to pastures new.

Who'd be an owner of a football club?
Exactly - who would be in Kat Liebherr's place right now?

So many Saints (including me) on so many boards are all saying "we need to spend this, we need to spend that, the club needs to commit, we need to sign this geezer we need to sign that geezer, we need to spend, spend spend.."

Well hang on a sec - what's all this "we?" It's Kat who has to dip into her handbag to pay for all this, it's her money, it's her club.

On the positive side she has a multi-national corporation behind her which she runs part-time, and also I get the definite impression she has been bitten by this club and has become a genuine fan, ie one of us. (She is often there, in front of Mr Hodgson's usual seat.)

So I think she WILL cough up some cash, but how much?

£40m? That's a tidy sum to lay out in one go - more than 11 times the entire value of Skunt FC - and there's no guarantee of success.
There are 20 clubs in the Prem. If everyone spends a billion there still has to be a first and a twentieth.
Me, I think it will cost a lot more than £40m, but over two more summers, this summer's spend to get us pushing for a top six place.
Next season's on top of this season's for a top four - IF we keep our key players and the coaching staff

It all takes time, but if the club, (ie Katherina), puts up, we should do well.....
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Someone who attended the Awards night, is claiming, on another forum, that MP and Reed have sorted pre-season and that MP has submitted his list of players he wants to bring in. On that basis, the club should already have an idea, as to whether or not they will be able to meet MP's requirements, re the funding. The same person also claimed that talks between MP and Reed were very positive, which hopefully means that the club will meet his needs. Another "In The Know" poster is claiming that MP has to stay and the budget needs to be £40m, or Lallana is off. I just hope that the players that are pleading with the board, to invest money to further progress the club, are not stalling that progress by asking for OTT wage increases to stop them from moving on to pastures new. Who'd be an owner of a football club?[/p][/quote]Exactly - who would be in Kat Liebherr's place right now? So many Saints (including me) on so many boards are all saying "we need to spend this, we need to spend that, the club needs to commit, we need to sign this geezer we need to sign that geezer, we need to spend, spend spend.." Well hang on a sec - what's all this "we?" It's Kat who has to dip into her handbag to pay for all this, it's her money, it's her club. On the positive side she has a multi-national corporation behind her which she runs part-time, and also I get the definite impression she has been bitten by this club and has become a genuine fan, ie one of us. (She is often there, in front of Mr Hodgson's usual seat.) So I think she WILL cough up some cash, but how much? £40m? That's a tidy sum to lay out in one go - more than 11 times the entire value of Skunt FC - and there's no guarantee of success. There are 20 clubs in the Prem. If everyone spends a billion there still has to be a first and a twentieth. Me, I think it will cost a lot more than £40m, but over two more summers, this summer's spend to get us pushing for a top six place. Next season's on top of this season's for a top four - IF we keep our key players and the coaching staff It all takes time, but if the club, (ie Katherina), puts up, we should do well..... Jan28th1984
  • Score: 10

12:28pm Thu 8 May 14

St Retford says...

Adam Lallana: Southampton Legend.

He need never buy a drink in this city again.
Adam Lallana: Southampton Legend. He need never buy a drink in this city again. St Retford
  • Score: 21

12:52pm Thu 8 May 14

george chivers says...

St Retford wrote:
Adam Lallana: Southampton Legend.

He need never buy a drink in this city again.
Don't you live in Manchester?
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Adam Lallana: Southampton Legend. He need never buy a drink in this city again.[/p][/quote]Don't you live in Manchester? george chivers
  • Score: 4

12:55pm Thu 8 May 14

DisplacedFan says...

St Retford wrote:
Adam Lallana: Southampton Legend.

He need never buy a drink in this city again.
Same for many of the blue few.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Adam Lallana: Southampton Legend. He need never buy a drink in this city again.[/p][/quote]Same for many of the blue few. DisplacedFan
  • Score: 1

1:39pm Thu 8 May 14

St Retford says...

george chivers wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Adam Lallana: Southampton Legend.

He need never buy a drink in this city again.
Don't you live in Manchester?
It works on either level, really. I'd love to take him for a pint in Manchester - the state of most boozers round here would put him off even thinking about signing for someone in the north west.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Adam Lallana: Southampton Legend. He need never buy a drink in this city again.[/p][/quote]Don't you live in Manchester?[/p][/quote]It works on either level, really. I'd love to take him for a pint in Manchester - the state of most boozers round here would put him off even thinking about signing for someone in the north west. St Retford
  • Score: 2

1:53pm Thu 8 May 14

Costa Baz says...

Just lifted this from Saintsweb.

A meeting with Ralph Krueger

Excuse the blatant name drop but am just back from SMS after a ninety minute meeting with Ralph Krueger. David Bull and Gary Chalk were also there as was Terry Paine. I wasn't going to post anything thinking it would attract the usual sly digs etc but I asked his permission to mention it on this forum and he was more than happy for me to post something. I have got to say I was very impressed with him, his enthusiasm and determination to succeed shone through right from the start. No state secrets were revealed but I am fairly sure the stripes will be back as soon as possible (he did say sometimes the club is locked into contracts they have to honour so things take time). Apparently everywhere he has gone the fans have implored him to bring back the stripes.

He said, for him, the new season starts on Monday and he can't wait. It is very obvious he is desperate to engage the community once more. Apparently before he was appointed chairman he attended games incognito, mixing with fans on the concourses and even drinking in the local pubs post match. He has a real hunger to learn and turn the Saints around off the pitch, it was obvious that he felt the club under the old regime did not "respect" the fans enough. I really can see why KL appointed him, half an hour in his company was very motivating. We showed him our books and he seemed to take genuine interest in them and said the club had failed to fully capitalise on our history or "soul" as he put it, in the past.

He cuts an impressive figure but also showed a nice humility and keenness to get to the heart of what makes the city click. I feel the club is in excellent hands and from what I witnessed today I would say the KL and he are here for the long term.

Just one final bit of gossip - from some of the things he said I think any signings are more likely to be British than foreign, the club are very aware how their profile has risen following the success of our England internationals. That doesn't mean to say foreigners won't be signed but the domestic market will be carefully scrutinised first. After Rupert Lowe and Nicola Cortese it was so nice to meet a man without any ego and arrogance to him whatsoever.
St Marys, backstage is a lot happier place than it was last time I visited, that is for sure.
Just lifted this from Saintsweb. A meeting with Ralph Krueger Excuse the blatant name drop but am just back from SMS after a ninety minute meeting with Ralph Krueger. David Bull and Gary Chalk were also there as was Terry Paine. I wasn't going to post anything thinking it would attract the usual sly digs etc but I asked his permission to mention it on this forum and he was more than happy for me to post something. I have got to say I was very impressed with him, his enthusiasm and determination to succeed shone through right from the start. No state secrets were revealed but I am fairly sure the stripes will be back as soon as possible (he did say sometimes the club is locked into contracts they have to honour so things take time). Apparently everywhere he has gone the fans have implored him to bring back the stripes. He said, for him, the new season starts on Monday and he can't wait. It is very obvious he is desperate to engage the community once more. Apparently before he was appointed chairman he attended games incognito, mixing with fans on the concourses and even drinking in the local pubs post match. He has a real hunger to learn and turn the Saints around off the pitch, it was obvious that he felt the club under the old regime did not "respect" the fans enough. I really can see why KL appointed him, half an hour in his company was very motivating. We showed him our books and he seemed to take genuine interest in them and said the club had failed to fully capitalise on our history or "soul" as he put it, in the past. He cuts an impressive figure but also showed a nice humility and keenness to get to the heart of what makes the city click. I feel the club is in excellent hands and from what I witnessed today I would say the KL and he are here for the long term. Just one final bit of gossip - from some of the things he said I think any signings are more likely to be British than foreign, the club are very aware how their profile has risen following the success of our England internationals. That doesn't mean to say foreigners won't be signed but the domestic market will be carefully scrutinised first. After Rupert Lowe and Nicola Cortese it was so nice to meet a man without any ego and arrogance to him whatsoever. St Marys, backstage is a lot happier place than it was last time I visited, that is for sure. Costa Baz
  • Score: 34

2:03pm Thu 8 May 14

jls217 says...

Alicesdad wrote:
This is a very long article - it merits several readings. I do not doubt Adams loyalty for one moment but the possibility of a world cup stage and the consequent possibility of doubling his income elsewhere is only going in one direction as far as I can see. He's letting us down gently.

This group of players has been special, we all hope it can be built on and the big names will stay. I always hope that is the case, but it can't last forever.

Time move on and change is inevitable. I really doubt that the core that has been here through the tough times will be intact next season. I think the new board will capitalise on some of the "value added players", but then again I also expect some investment too. We are still not a club that immediately attracts big name international players, that takes time, and maybe we have done too well too soon.

If we keep both Adam and Luke then it will be a massive sign of future intentions and that would also influence MoPo to stay as well. We all know this.. and thats what we are waiting to see.

It will be an interesting few months.
Not sure what you mean when you say this isn't a club that attracts big names - History disproves this. Who would've thought Keegan would come this far south but he did. In recent memory we brought in Ramirez and Osvaldo - both established internationals with big reputations and in great demand. We managed to attract two younger guns in Lovren and Wannayamoney. JRod had a good domestic reputation and others were in for him but he chose to come here. Borat had several clubs chasing him and came here. Cork could've moved to several other Prem clubs but we netted him, Davis had made his name in Scotland and there were clubs there who would've loved to have had on their signings sheet. We can and do attract names. Not the 100k per week current superstars maybe but we can catch them on their up to that or on their way down the other side for a season or two of magic from them. We have to realized that this season has taken to a whole new level - we just have to rely on the management team to keep us at that level as a platform for moving slowly but surely upwards - won't happen overnight but we are maybe 3/4 players from having a fantastic squad. Our midfield is already the equal of anything else in the prem now lets get the defence sorted with one old head CB and a youngster. We need an old head been there, done that striker and a young speedster to complement JRod and cover for him when he's not avail. This is the best Saints squad I've ever seen. Just a little small that's all. I'm 63 and been a Saints fan since I was about 8 so I've seen 'em all come and go and nothing we had beats this lot for sheer energy, skill, exuberance, tactical nous and most of all skill. Love em like they are the fruits of my loins.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: This is a very long article - it merits several readings. I do not doubt Adams loyalty for one moment but the possibility of a world cup stage and the consequent possibility of doubling his income elsewhere is only going in one direction as far as I can see. He's letting us down gently. This group of players has been special, we all hope it can be built on and the big names will stay. I always hope that is the case, but it can't last forever. Time move on and change is inevitable. I really doubt that the core that has been here through the tough times will be intact next season. I think the new board will capitalise on some of the "value added players", but then again I also expect some investment too. We are still not a club that immediately attracts big name international players, that takes time, and maybe we have done too well too soon. If we keep both Adam and Luke then it will be a massive sign of future intentions and that would also influence MoPo to stay as well. We all know this.. and thats what we are waiting to see. It will be an interesting few months.[/p][/quote]Not sure what you mean when you say this isn't a club that attracts big names - History disproves this. Who would've thought Keegan would come this far south but he did. In recent memory we brought in Ramirez and Osvaldo - both established internationals with big reputations and in great demand. We managed to attract two younger guns in Lovren and Wannayamoney. JRod had a good domestic reputation and others were in for him but he chose to come here. Borat had several clubs chasing him and came here. Cork could've moved to several other Prem clubs but we netted him, Davis had made his name in Scotland and there were clubs there who would've loved to have had on their signings sheet. We can and do attract names. Not the 100k per week current superstars maybe but we can catch them on their up to that or on their way down the other side for a season or two of magic from them. We have to realized that this season has taken to a whole new level - we just have to rely on the management team to keep us at that level as a platform for moving slowly but surely upwards - won't happen overnight but we are maybe 3/4 players from having a fantastic squad. Our midfield is already the equal of anything else in the prem now lets get the defence sorted with one old head CB and a youngster. We need an old head been there, done that striker and a young speedster to complement JRod and cover for him when he's not avail. This is the best Saints squad I've ever seen. Just a little small that's all. I'm 63 and been a Saints fan since I was about 8 so I've seen 'em all come and go and nothing we had beats this lot for sheer energy, skill, exuberance, tactical nous and most of all skill. Love em like they are the fruits of my loins. jls217
  • Score: 15

2:24pm Thu 8 May 14

abbiscuits says...

I'm confident that MP will stay and current players will stay, next season should be great.

If anyone's interested I might have spare ticket for Sunday game as my son now can't make game. It's in Chapel Stand and an Under 11 ticket ( so would need upgrading at ticket office). my email is down atm so if you know anyone interested in buying text me on 07527572930.
I'm confident that MP will stay and current players will stay, next season should be great. If anyone's interested I might have spare ticket for Sunday game as my son now can't make game. It's in Chapel Stand and an Under 11 ticket ( so would need upgrading at ticket office). my email is down atm so if you know anyone interested in buying text me on 07527572930. abbiscuits
  • Score: 1

3:16pm Thu 8 May 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Well done Adam - our leader; Adam Lallana, that is, but well done Adam Leitch for the write up.

I have no inside info at all and I really don't know what will happen but I've a feeling that, as long as the board show genuine ambition, the players will stay at least until Christmas. If we're in a strong position then, all well and good; if not, who knows?

The one thing that we will all have to accept is that the player most responsible for driving us up the league - Rickie - doesn't have too many more years left at this level. Replacing him could be the most difficult job of all. Just imagine if we could start next season with all the current squad, a couple of key additions AND a 25-year-old Rickie.
Well done Adam - our leader; Adam Lallana, that is, but well done Adam Leitch for the write up. I have no inside info at all and I really don't know what will happen but I've a feeling that, as long as the board show genuine ambition, the players will stay at least until Christmas. If we're in a strong position then, all well and good; if not, who knows? The one thing that we will all have to accept is that the player most responsible for driving us up the league - Rickie - doesn't have too many more years left at this level. Replacing him could be the most difficult job of all. Just imagine if we could start next season with all the current squad, a couple of key additions AND a 25-year-old Rickie. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 6

4:23pm Thu 8 May 14

Beer Monster says...

I'll hold my hand up and admit with some shame that last season I said that Lallana did not look up to holding the responsibility of the captain's armband, and that it should have been for SRL to carry. He admits that it weighed him down at the time, but whatever has happened since then (a good working relationship with Pocho looks like the main catalyst) has clearly made him better equipped for the role, and the rest of the lads respect him for it.

He has pretty effectively 'stepped up to the challenge', as many people who write on this forum ask of our players, and fully deserves the plaudits that he has received. Lets hope that the status quo remains
I'll hold my hand up and admit with some shame that last season I said that Lallana did not look up to holding the responsibility of the captain's armband, and that it should have been for SRL to carry. He admits that it weighed him down at the time, but whatever has happened since then (a good working relationship with Pocho looks like the main catalyst) has clearly made him better equipped for the role, and the rest of the lads respect him for it. He has pretty effectively 'stepped up to the challenge', as many people who write on this forum ask of our players, and fully deserves the plaudits that he has received. Lets hope that the status quo remains Beer Monster
  • Score: 6

4:24pm Thu 8 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Just lifted this from Saintsweb.

A meeting with Ralph Krueger

Excuse the blatant name drop but am just back from SMS after a ninety minute meeting with Ralph Krueger. David Bull and Gary Chalk were also there as was Terry Paine. I wasn't going to post anything thinking it would attract the usual sly digs etc but I asked his permission to mention it on this forum and he was more than happy for me to post something. I have got to say I was very impressed with him, his enthusiasm and determination to succeed shone through right from the start. No state secrets were revealed but I am fairly sure the stripes will be back as soon as possible (he did say sometimes the club is locked into contracts they have to honour so things take time). Apparently everywhere he has gone the fans have implored him to bring back the stripes.

He said, for him, the new season starts on Monday and he can't wait. It is very obvious he is desperate to engage the community once more. Apparently before he was appointed chairman he attended games incognito, mixing with fans on the concourses and even drinking in the local pubs post match. He has a real hunger to learn and turn the Saints around off the pitch, it was obvious that he felt the club under the old regime did not "respect" the fans enough. I really can see why KL appointed him, half an hour in his company was very motivating. We showed him our books and he seemed to take genuine interest in them and said the club had failed to fully capitalise on our history or "soul" as he put it, in the past.

He cuts an impressive figure but also showed a nice humility and keenness to get to the heart of what makes the city click. I feel the club is in excellent hands and from what I witnessed today I would say the KL and he are here for the long term.

Just one final bit of gossip - from some of the things he said I think any signings are more likely to be British than foreign, the club are very aware how their profile has risen following the success of our England internationals. That doesn't mean to say foreigners won't be signed but the domestic market will be carefully scrutinised first. After Rupert Lowe and Nicola Cortese it was so nice to meet a man without any ego and arrogance to him whatsoever.
St Marys, backstage is a lot happier place than it was last time I visited, that is for sure.
thanks for putting that up Baz, an excellent post from someone who has obviously had a personal meeting with RK, not the usual `I heard this, a mate of told me` rubbish this site often attracts.

From the post it is clear that RK wants the best for the club and wants the fans to be involved more than we were. RK does seem to be the `right man` for our club at the moment. obviously this summer will tell us all we need to know about how they want the club to progress though. as fans we aren't stupid and know that some players might leave but we hope its not the main players that have done so well this season. I guess it will come down to MP and whether he feels the club want to go on to the next level.
looks good for the stripes but it might all come down to what contracts NC signed. personally, and I know this isn't the popular view but I don't mind the current shirt, yes I love the stripes but to change for a season or 2 every now and again doesn't bother me too much. i wouldn't be happy if they continued without the stripes for too long though. i have seen a couple of pictures of shirts on facebook, one had stripes fading into solid red and the other had stripes, of a sort, with black borders and pepsi max as sponsor! i think they are on the echo saints forum page if anyone wants a look.

i was confident we could continue to progress before i read this post, i am now more confident and am looking forward to the summer, and the world cup, even though i think roy is going to take cole instead of Luke. it would be a major mistake if he did but i just have this feeling he will say Luke`s time will come!
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Just lifted this from Saintsweb. A meeting with Ralph Krueger Excuse the blatant name drop but am just back from SMS after a ninety minute meeting with Ralph Krueger. David Bull and Gary Chalk were also there as was Terry Paine. I wasn't going to post anything thinking it would attract the usual sly digs etc but I asked his permission to mention it on this forum and he was more than happy for me to post something. I have got to say I was very impressed with him, his enthusiasm and determination to succeed shone through right from the start. No state secrets were revealed but I am fairly sure the stripes will be back as soon as possible (he did say sometimes the club is locked into contracts they have to honour so things take time). Apparently everywhere he has gone the fans have implored him to bring back the stripes. He said, for him, the new season starts on Monday and he can't wait. It is very obvious he is desperate to engage the community once more. Apparently before he was appointed chairman he attended games incognito, mixing with fans on the concourses and even drinking in the local pubs post match. He has a real hunger to learn and turn the Saints around off the pitch, it was obvious that he felt the club under the old regime did not "respect" the fans enough. I really can see why KL appointed him, half an hour in his company was very motivating. We showed him our books and he seemed to take genuine interest in them and said the club had failed to fully capitalise on our history or "soul" as he put it, in the past. He cuts an impressive figure but also showed a nice humility and keenness to get to the heart of what makes the city click. I feel the club is in excellent hands and from what I witnessed today I would say the KL and he are here for the long term. Just one final bit of gossip - from some of the things he said I think any signings are more likely to be British than foreign, the club are very aware how their profile has risen following the success of our England internationals. That doesn't mean to say foreigners won't be signed but the domestic market will be carefully scrutinised first. After Rupert Lowe and Nicola Cortese it was so nice to meet a man without any ego and arrogance to him whatsoever. St Marys, backstage is a lot happier place than it was last time I visited, that is for sure.[/p][/quote]thanks for putting that up Baz, an excellent post from someone who has obviously had a personal meeting with RK, not the usual `I heard this, a mate of told me` rubbish this site often attracts. From the post it is clear that RK wants the best for the club and wants the fans to be involved more than we were. RK does seem to be the `right man` for our club at the moment. obviously this summer will tell us all we need to know about how they want the club to progress though. as fans we aren't stupid and know that some players might leave but we hope its not the main players that have done so well this season. I guess it will come down to MP and whether he feels the club want to go on to the next level. looks good for the stripes but it might all come down to what contracts NC signed. personally, and I know this isn't the popular view but I don't mind the current shirt, yes I love the stripes but to change for a season or 2 every now and again doesn't bother me too much. i wouldn't be happy if they continued without the stripes for too long though. i have seen a couple of pictures of shirts on facebook, one had stripes fading into solid red and the other had stripes, of a sort, with black borders and pepsi max as sponsor! i think they are on the echo saints forum page if anyone wants a look. i was confident we could continue to progress before i read this post, i am now more confident and am looking forward to the summer, and the world cup, even though i think roy is going to take cole instead of Luke. it would be a major mistake if he did but i just have this feeling he will say Luke`s time will come! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 7

4:36pm Thu 8 May 14

Alicesdad says...

jls217 wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
This is a very long article - it merits several readings. I do not doubt Adams loyalty for one moment but the possibility of a world cup stage and the consequent possibility of doubling his income elsewhere is only going in one direction as far as I can see. He's letting us down gently.

This group of players has been special, we all hope it can be built on and the big names will stay. I always hope that is the case, but it can't last forever.

Time move on and change is inevitable. I really doubt that the core that has been here through the tough times will be intact next season. I think the new board will capitalise on some of the "value added players", but then again I also expect some investment too. We are still not a club that immediately attracts big name international players, that takes time, and maybe we have done too well too soon.

If we keep both Adam and Luke then it will be a massive sign of future intentions and that would also influence MoPo to stay as well. We all know this.. and thats what we are waiting to see.

It will be an interesting few months.
Not sure what you mean when you say this isn't a club that attracts big names - History disproves this. Who would've thought Keegan would come this far south but he did. In recent memory we brought in Ramirez and Osvaldo - both established internationals with big reputations and in great demand. We managed to attract two younger guns in Lovren and Wannayamoney. JRod had a good domestic reputation and others were in for him but he chose to come here. Borat had several clubs chasing him and came here. Cork could've moved to several other Prem clubs but we netted him, Davis had made his name in Scotland and there were clubs there who would've loved to have had on their signings sheet. We can and do attract names. Not the 100k per week current superstars maybe but we can catch them on their up to that or on their way down the other side for a season or two of magic from them. We have to realized that this season has taken to a whole new level - we just have to rely on the management team to keep us at that level as a platform for moving slowly but surely upwards - won't happen overnight but we are maybe 3/4 players from having a fantastic squad. Our midfield is already the equal of anything else in the prem now lets get the defence sorted with one old head CB and a youngster. We need an old head been there, done that striker and a young speedster to complement JRod and cover for him when he's not avail. This is the best Saints squad I've ever seen. Just a little small that's all. I'm 63 and been a Saints fan since I was about 8 so I've seen 'em all come and go and nothing we had beats this lot for sheer energy, skill, exuberance, tactical nous and most of all skill. Love em like they are the fruits of my loins.
Many thanks, a really clear response and I take all your points. The players you mention are all top quality (possibly excepting Osvaldo - jury is still out on him - is he really as big as he was billed ? I'm still not sure we weren't done over there). I cant argue with Boruc, Wanyama or Lovren.. but big names ? The only really big name you mnention there is Keegan - and as you state that is history.

In the modern mega gazillion pound money game we are simply not there yet . We are a triumph of potential over achievement. This was proved by Coutinho to a certain extent .. and frankly every time we hear a name that makes us sit up it comes to nothing. I also think that we are simply not prepared to pay the truly stupid money for a Bale or an Ozil or whoever else might make us a Champions League team. .. and that is probably a good thing given the impact it could have on the clubs financial viability.

I am truly delighted with eighth place but to move higher will need a lot more money, 3 or 4 more players and a bit of luck.

I agree this is a fantastic team at the moment, absolutely beyond dispute. It just lacks squad depth and cover. Your last sentence says it all and I agree and feel the same.

I just feel that we are always going to be pitching for less well known talent to make this club an established Premiership club, rather than make big splurges (i.e. £20m + ) for big game players. The board won't take that risk and such players simply wouldn't come here. I do however feel that as long as we have an adequate budget to pick up the likes of Lovren, Wanyama and Ramirez then that may be enough to keep MoPo. He can work wonders Im sure and he has the academy which will continue to produce solid gold Im sure.

As far as Adam and Luke are concerned I think they will go to ensure we can finance the rest of the squad. I hope I'm wrong but young men are swayed by huge money and human nature and greed are unrelenting forces to be reckoned with.

.. and in passing I really hope we thrash Man Utd ... what's stopping s ? just to make the point that we should have three players in the England squad and that we really should have finished seventh !! ;-)
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: This is a very long article - it merits several readings. I do not doubt Adams loyalty for one moment but the possibility of a world cup stage and the consequent possibility of doubling his income elsewhere is only going in one direction as far as I can see. He's letting us down gently. This group of players has been special, we all hope it can be built on and the big names will stay. I always hope that is the case, but it can't last forever. Time move on and change is inevitable. I really doubt that the core that has been here through the tough times will be intact next season. I think the new board will capitalise on some of the "value added players", but then again I also expect some investment too. We are still not a club that immediately attracts big name international players, that takes time, and maybe we have done too well too soon. If we keep both Adam and Luke then it will be a massive sign of future intentions and that would also influence MoPo to stay as well. We all know this.. and thats what we are waiting to see. It will be an interesting few months.[/p][/quote]Not sure what you mean when you say this isn't a club that attracts big names - History disproves this. Who would've thought Keegan would come this far south but he did. In recent memory we brought in Ramirez and Osvaldo - both established internationals with big reputations and in great demand. We managed to attract two younger guns in Lovren and Wannayamoney. JRod had a good domestic reputation and others were in for him but he chose to come here. Borat had several clubs chasing him and came here. Cork could've moved to several other Prem clubs but we netted him, Davis had made his name in Scotland and there were clubs there who would've loved to have had on their signings sheet. We can and do attract names. Not the 100k per week current superstars maybe but we can catch them on their up to that or on their way down the other side for a season or two of magic from them. We have to realized that this season has taken to a whole new level - we just have to rely on the management team to keep us at that level as a platform for moving slowly but surely upwards - won't happen overnight but we are maybe 3/4 players from having a fantastic squad. Our midfield is already the equal of anything else in the prem now lets get the defence sorted with one old head CB and a youngster. We need an old head been there, done that striker and a young speedster to complement JRod and cover for him when he's not avail. This is the best Saints squad I've ever seen. Just a little small that's all. I'm 63 and been a Saints fan since I was about 8 so I've seen 'em all come and go and nothing we had beats this lot for sheer energy, skill, exuberance, tactical nous and most of all skill. Love em like they are the fruits of my loins.[/p][/quote]Many thanks, a really clear response and I take all your points. The players you mention are all top quality (possibly excepting Osvaldo - jury is still out on him - is he really as big as he was billed ? I'm still not sure we weren't done over there). I cant argue with Boruc, Wanyama or Lovren.. but big names ? The only really big name you mnention there is Keegan - and as you state that is history. In the modern mega gazillion pound money game we are simply not there yet . We are a triumph of potential over achievement. This was proved by Coutinho to a certain extent .. and frankly every time we hear a name that makes us sit up it comes to nothing. I also think that we are simply not prepared to pay the truly stupid money for a Bale or an Ozil or whoever else might make us a Champions League team. .. and that is probably a good thing given the impact it could have on the clubs financial viability. I am truly delighted with eighth place but to move higher will need a lot more money, 3 or 4 more players and a bit of luck. I agree this is a fantastic team at the moment, absolutely beyond dispute. It just lacks squad depth and cover. Your last sentence says it all and I agree and feel the same. I just feel that we are always going to be pitching for less well known talent to make this club an established Premiership club, rather than make big splurges (i.e. £20m + ) for big game players. The board won't take that risk and such players simply wouldn't come here. I do however feel that as long as we have an adequate budget to pick up the likes of Lovren, Wanyama and Ramirez then that may be enough to keep MoPo. He can work wonders Im sure and he has the academy which will continue to produce solid gold Im sure. As far as Adam and Luke are concerned I think they will go to ensure we can finance the rest of the squad. I hope I'm wrong but young men are swayed by huge money and human nature and greed are unrelenting forces to be reckoned with. .. and in passing I really hope we thrash Man Utd ... what's stopping s ? just to make the point that we should have three players in the England squad and that we really should have finished seventh !! ;-) Alicesdad
  • Score: 3

5:37pm Thu 8 May 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

Alicesdad wrote:
This is a very long article - it merits several readings. I do not doubt Adams loyalty for one moment but the possibility of a world cup stage and the consequent possibility of doubling his income elsewhere is only going in one direction as far as I can see. He's letting us down gently.

This group of players has been special, we all hope it can be built on and the big names will stay. I always hope that is the case, but it can't last forever.

Time move on and change is inevitable. I really doubt that the core that has been here through the tough times will be intact next season. I think the new board will capitalise on some of the "value added players", but then again I also expect some investment too. We are still not a club that immediately attracts big name international players, that takes time, and maybe we have done too well too soon.

If we keep both Adam and Luke then it will be a massive sign of future intentions and that would also influence MoPo to stay as well. We all know this.. and thats what we are waiting to see.

It will be an interesting few months.
Don't be so pessimistic! I think we are at a tipping point. Some teams can only dream of being here, because they never will be. All we must do is continue. Stalling and moving away from this defining opportunity in the history of our club, it would take away all the goodwill we all feel right now, for good reason, in our hearts. But the risks, you say. The potential for a crash is much greater if you puncture the balloon. Just let it fly! Upward and onward!
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: This is a very long article - it merits several readings. I do not doubt Adams loyalty for one moment but the possibility of a world cup stage and the consequent possibility of doubling his income elsewhere is only going in one direction as far as I can see. He's letting us down gently. This group of players has been special, we all hope it can be built on and the big names will stay. I always hope that is the case, but it can't last forever. Time move on and change is inevitable. I really doubt that the core that has been here through the tough times will be intact next season. I think the new board will capitalise on some of the "value added players", but then again I also expect some investment too. We are still not a club that immediately attracts big name international players, that takes time, and maybe we have done too well too soon. If we keep both Adam and Luke then it will be a massive sign of future intentions and that would also influence MoPo to stay as well. We all know this.. and thats what we are waiting to see. It will be an interesting few months.[/p][/quote]Don't be so pessimistic! I think we are at a tipping point. Some teams can only dream of being here, because they never will be. All we must do is continue. Stalling and moving away from this defining opportunity in the history of our club, it would take away all the goodwill we all feel right now, for good reason, in our hearts. But the risks, you say. The potential for a crash is much greater if you puncture the balloon. Just let it fly! Upward and onward! BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 2

5:40pm Thu 8 May 14

NC Fan4Life says...

This article and above posts reflect what we are all thinking.
Nicola Cortese clearly wanted to push us on but without any interference. That was always going to change after the end of Marcus's 5 year commitment (we are eternally grateful).
Fortunately for us Katharina has followed her father's commitment with long term high profile appointments to the board. We are in good hands are Saints future is safe.
However how much they are going to take us forward is what we the players and the manager are waiting to see.
We find ourselves in the best position in our history to be able to push on but equally can drop back to mid-table stability. Five years ago we could only dream of getting back to that level. However this has changed and Saints now have a great unity, good young players and a good manager that are all ambitious, so can the new board match their ambitions ?
I only hope they can see that three or four good additions could push us on to Champions League but letting any stars go would end it.
This article and above posts reflect what we are all thinking. Nicola Cortese clearly wanted to push us on but without any interference. That was always going to change after the end of Marcus's 5 year commitment (we are eternally grateful). Fortunately for us Katharina has followed her father's commitment with long term high profile appointments to the board. We are in good hands are Saints future is safe. However how much they are going to take us forward is what we the players and the manager are waiting to see. We find ourselves in the best position in our history to be able to push on but equally can drop back to mid-table stability. Five years ago we could only dream of getting back to that level. However this has changed and Saints now have a great unity, good young players and a good manager that are all ambitious, so can the new board match their ambitions ? I only hope they can see that three or four good additions could push us on to Champions League but letting any stars go would end it. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 4

6:08pm Thu 8 May 14

Norwegian Saint says...

DAILY ECHO..... SCHOOLBOY ERROR Number11434256

Change the "current standings" table on this Saints headlines part of the site. It shows us played 37 with 52 points, now I'm no maths genius but 15 wins at 3 points is 45 plus a point for each of our 10 drawn games... that makes 55... You wonder why you get stick sometimes!
DAILY ECHO..... SCHOOLBOY ERROR Number11434256 Change the "current standings" table on this Saints headlines part of the site. It shows us played 37 with 52 points, now I'm no maths genius but 15 wins at 3 points is 45 plus a point for each of our 10 drawn games... that makes 55... You wonder why you get stick sometimes! Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 2

6:26pm Thu 8 May 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Beer Monster wrote:
I'll hold my hand up and admit with some shame that last season I said that Lallana did not look up to holding the responsibility of the captain's armband, and that it should have been for SRL to carry. He admits that it weighed him down at the time, but whatever has happened since then (a good working relationship with Pocho looks like the main catalyst) has clearly made him better equipped for the role, and the rest of the lads respect him for it.

He has pretty effectively 'stepped up to the challenge', as many people who write on this forum ask of our players, and fully deserves the plaudits that he has received. Lets hope that the status quo remains
You weren't the only one, BM, not only didn't I think he had the right qualities for a captain, but last season, I wasn't convinced he would become anything more than an average premiership player. I'm glad to have been proved so very wrong. He certainly does deserve all the plaudits.
[quote][p][bold]Beer Monster[/bold] wrote: I'll hold my hand up and admit with some shame that last season I said that Lallana did not look up to holding the responsibility of the captain's armband, and that it should have been for SRL to carry. He admits that it weighed him down at the time, but whatever has happened since then (a good working relationship with Pocho looks like the main catalyst) has clearly made him better equipped for the role, and the rest of the lads respect him for it. He has pretty effectively 'stepped up to the challenge', as many people who write on this forum ask of our players, and fully deserves the plaudits that he has received. Lets hope that the status quo remains[/p][/quote]You weren't the only one, BM, not only didn't I think he had the right qualities for a captain, but last season, I wasn't convinced he would become anything more than an average premiership player. I'm glad to have been proved so very wrong. He certainly does deserve all the plaudits. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 6

8:29pm Thu 8 May 14

NC Fan4Life says...

jls217 wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
This is a very long article - it merits several readings. I do not doubt Adams loyalty for one moment but the possibility of a world cup stage and the consequent possibility of doubling his income elsewhere is only going in one direction as far as I can see. He's letting us down gently.

This group of players has been special, we all hope it can be built on and the big names will stay. I always hope that is the case, but it can't last forever.

Time move on and change is inevitable. I really doubt that the core that has been here through the tough times will be intact next season. I think the new board will capitalise on some of the "value added players", but then again I also expect some investment too. We are still not a club that immediately attracts big name international players, that takes time, and maybe we have done too well too soon.

If we keep both Adam and Luke then it will be a massive sign of future intentions and that would also influence MoPo to stay as well. We all know this.. and thats what we are waiting to see.

It will be an interesting few months.
Not sure what you mean when you say this isn't a club that attracts big names - History disproves this. Who would've thought Keegan would come this far south but he did. In recent memory we brought in Ramirez and Osvaldo - both established internationals with big reputations and in great demand. We managed to attract two younger guns in Lovren and Wannayamoney. JRod had a good domestic reputation and others were in for him but he chose to come here. Borat had several clubs chasing him and came here. Cork could've moved to several other Prem clubs but we netted him, Davis had made his name in Scotland and there were clubs there who would've loved to have had on their signings sheet. We can and do attract names. Not the 100k per week current superstars maybe but we can catch them on their up to that or on their way down the other side for a season or two of magic from them. We have to realized that this season has taken to a whole new level - we just have to rely on the management team to keep us at that level as a platform for moving slowly but surely upwards - won't happen overnight but we are maybe 3/4 players from having a fantastic squad. Our midfield is already the equal of anything else in the prem now lets get the defence sorted with one old head CB and a youngster. We need an old head been there, done that striker and a young speedster to complement JRod and cover for him when he's not avail. This is the best Saints squad I've ever seen. Just a little small that's all. I'm 63 and been a Saints fan since I was about 8 so I've seen 'em all come and go and nothing we had beats this lot for sheer energy, skill, exuberance, tactical nous and most of all skill. Love em like they are the fruits of my loins.
Agree with this, keep our young guns because they will become the big names and others will want to join them.
We have enough 'old heads' so signings need to be under 25 except another Keeper. So what about these for targets:-
Goalkeeper - Reddy from Norwich or Marshall from Cardiff
Centreback - Steven Caulker form Cardiff not yet 23 with Premier experience but need to be quick before Liverpool or Manure go for him.
Pacy Winger/forward in part exchange for Osvaldo.
Strikers - Danny Welbeck or Wilfred Bony ? Danny Ings for a punt.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: This is a very long article - it merits several readings. I do not doubt Adams loyalty for one moment but the possibility of a world cup stage and the consequent possibility of doubling his income elsewhere is only going in one direction as far as I can see. He's letting us down gently. This group of players has been special, we all hope it can be built on and the big names will stay. I always hope that is the case, but it can't last forever. Time move on and change is inevitable. I really doubt that the core that has been here through the tough times will be intact next season. I think the new board will capitalise on some of the "value added players", but then again I also expect some investment too. We are still not a club that immediately attracts big name international players, that takes time, and maybe we have done too well too soon. If we keep both Adam and Luke then it will be a massive sign of future intentions and that would also influence MoPo to stay as well. We all know this.. and thats what we are waiting to see. It will be an interesting few months.[/p][/quote]Not sure what you mean when you say this isn't a club that attracts big names - History disproves this. Who would've thought Keegan would come this far south but he did. In recent memory we brought in Ramirez and Osvaldo - both established internationals with big reputations and in great demand. We managed to attract two younger guns in Lovren and Wannayamoney. JRod had a good domestic reputation and others were in for him but he chose to come here. Borat had several clubs chasing him and came here. Cork could've moved to several other Prem clubs but we netted him, Davis had made his name in Scotland and there were clubs there who would've loved to have had on their signings sheet. We can and do attract names. Not the 100k per week current superstars maybe but we can catch them on their up to that or on their way down the other side for a season or two of magic from them. We have to realized that this season has taken to a whole new level - we just have to rely on the management team to keep us at that level as a platform for moving slowly but surely upwards - won't happen overnight but we are maybe 3/4 players from having a fantastic squad. Our midfield is already the equal of anything else in the prem now lets get the defence sorted with one old head CB and a youngster. We need an old head been there, done that striker and a young speedster to complement JRod and cover for him when he's not avail. This is the best Saints squad I've ever seen. Just a little small that's all. I'm 63 and been a Saints fan since I was about 8 so I've seen 'em all come and go and nothing we had beats this lot for sheer energy, skill, exuberance, tactical nous and most of all skill. Love em like they are the fruits of my loins.[/p][/quote]Agree with this, keep our young guns because they will become the big names and others will want to join them. We have enough 'old heads' so signings need to be under 25 except another Keeper. So what about these for targets:- Goalkeeper - Reddy from Norwich or Marshall from Cardiff Centreback - Steven Caulker form Cardiff not yet 23 with Premier experience but need to be quick before Liverpool or Manure go for him. Pacy Winger/forward in part exchange for Osvaldo. Strikers - Danny Welbeck or Wilfred Bony ? Danny Ings for a punt. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 0

8:46pm Thu 8 May 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Jan28th1984 wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Someone who attended the Awards night, is claiming, on another forum, that MP and Reed have sorted pre-season and that MP has submitted his list of players he wants to bring in.

On that basis, the club should already have an idea, as to whether or not they will be able to meet MP's requirements, re the funding.
The same person also claimed that talks between MP and Reed were very positive, which hopefully means that the club will meet his needs.

Another "In The Know" poster is claiming that MP has to stay and the budget needs to be £40m, or Lallana is off.

I just hope that the players that are pleading with the board, to invest money to further progress the club, are not stalling that progress by asking for OTT wage increases to stop them from moving on to pastures new.

Who'd be an owner of a football club?
Exactly - who would be in Kat Liebherr's place right now?

So many Saints (including me) on so many boards are all saying "we need to spend this, we need to spend that, the club needs to commit, we need to sign this geezer we need to sign that geezer, we need to spend, spend spend.."

Well hang on a sec - what's all this "we?" It's Kat who has to dip into her handbag to pay for all this, it's her money, it's her club.

On the positive side she has a multi-national corporation behind her which she runs part-time, and also I get the definite impression she has been bitten by this club and has become a genuine fan, ie one of us. (She is often there, in front of Mr Hodgson's usual seat.)

So I think she WILL cough up some cash, but how much?

£40m? That's a tidy sum to lay out in one go - more than 11 times the entire value of Skunt FC - and there's no guarantee of success.
There are 20 clubs in the Prem. If everyone spends a billion there still has to be a first and a twentieth.
Me, I think it will cost a lot more than £40m, but over two more summers, this summer's spend to get us pushing for a top six place.
Next season's on top of this season's for a top four - IF we keep our key players and the coaching staff

It all takes time, but if the club, (ie Katherina), puts up, we should do well.....
Disagree Katharina should not need to put any more in for transfers.
If reports are correct Saints should be getting £80m + for this season. Therefore spending £40m + now with a third deferred to the following season is not onerous. They have to pay £22m outstanding from last season but part of this can be recovered by selling the Fringe players.
If we sign 4 top players and keep our young squad then we should make Europe next season with an even better young squad that will not need much spent on it but would then be able to pay off the deferred monies, especially with even more increased revenue.
[quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Someone who attended the Awards night, is claiming, on another forum, that MP and Reed have sorted pre-season and that MP has submitted his list of players he wants to bring in. On that basis, the club should already have an idea, as to whether or not they will be able to meet MP's requirements, re the funding. The same person also claimed that talks between MP and Reed were very positive, which hopefully means that the club will meet his needs. Another "In The Know" poster is claiming that MP has to stay and the budget needs to be £40m, or Lallana is off. I just hope that the players that are pleading with the board, to invest money to further progress the club, are not stalling that progress by asking for OTT wage increases to stop them from moving on to pastures new. Who'd be an owner of a football club?[/p][/quote]Exactly - who would be in Kat Liebherr's place right now? So many Saints (including me) on so many boards are all saying "we need to spend this, we need to spend that, the club needs to commit, we need to sign this geezer we need to sign that geezer, we need to spend, spend spend.." Well hang on a sec - what's all this "we?" It's Kat who has to dip into her handbag to pay for all this, it's her money, it's her club. On the positive side she has a multi-national corporation behind her which she runs part-time, and also I get the definite impression she has been bitten by this club and has become a genuine fan, ie one of us. (She is often there, in front of Mr Hodgson's usual seat.) So I think she WILL cough up some cash, but how much? £40m? That's a tidy sum to lay out in one go - more than 11 times the entire value of Skunt FC - and there's no guarantee of success. There are 20 clubs in the Prem. If everyone spends a billion there still has to be a first and a twentieth. Me, I think it will cost a lot more than £40m, but over two more summers, this summer's spend to get us pushing for a top six place. Next season's on top of this season's for a top four - IF we keep our key players and the coaching staff It all takes time, but if the club, (ie Katherina), puts up, we should do well.....[/p][/quote]Disagree Katharina should not need to put any more in for transfers. If reports are correct Saints should be getting £80m + for this season. Therefore spending £40m + now with a third deferred to the following season is not onerous. They have to pay £22m outstanding from last season but part of this can be recovered by selling the Fringe players. If we sign 4 top players and keep our young squad then we should make Europe next season with an even better young squad that will not need much spent on it but would then be able to pay off the deferred monies, especially with even more increased revenue. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 3

8:47pm Thu 8 May 14

jls217 says...

Alicesdad wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
This is a very long article - it merits several readings. I do not doubt Adams loyalty for one moment but the possibility of a world cup stage and the consequent possibility of doubling his income elsewhere is only going in one direction as far as I can see. He's letting us down gently.

This group of players has been special, we all hope it can be built on and the big names will stay. I always hope that is the case, but it can't last forever.

Time move on and change is inevitable. I really doubt that the core that has been here through the tough times will be intact next season. I think the new board will capitalise on some of the "value added players", but then again I also expect some investment too. We are still not a club that immediately attracts big name international players, that takes time, and maybe we have done too well too soon.

If we keep both Adam and Luke then it will be a massive sign of future intentions and that would also influence MoPo to stay as well. We all know this.. and thats what we are waiting to see.

It will be an interesting few months.
Not sure what you mean when you say this isn't a club that attracts big names - History disproves this. Who would've thought Keegan would come this far south but he did. In recent memory we brought in Ramirez and Osvaldo - both established internationals with big reputations and in great demand. We managed to attract two younger guns in Lovren and Wannayamoney. JRod had a good domestic reputation and others were in for him but he chose to come here. Borat had several clubs chasing him and came here. Cork could've moved to several other Prem clubs but we netted him, Davis had made his name in Scotland and there were clubs there who would've loved to have had on their signings sheet. We can and do attract names. Not the 100k per week current superstars maybe but we can catch them on their up to that or on their way down the other side for a season or two of magic from them. We have to realized that this season has taken to a whole new level - we just have to rely on the management team to keep us at that level as a platform for moving slowly but surely upwards - won't happen overnight but we are maybe 3/4 players from having a fantastic squad. Our midfield is already the equal of anything else in the prem now lets get the defence sorted with one old head CB and a youngster. We need an old head been there, done that striker and a young speedster to complement JRod and cover for him when he's not avail. This is the best Saints squad I've ever seen. Just a little small that's all. I'm 63 and been a Saints fan since I was about 8 so I've seen 'em all come and go and nothing we had beats this lot for sheer energy, skill, exuberance, tactical nous and most of all skill. Love em like they are the fruits of my loins.
Many thanks, a really clear response and I take all your points. The players you mention are all top quality (possibly excepting Osvaldo - jury is still out on him - is he really as big as he was billed ? I'm still not sure we weren't done over there). I cant argue with Boruc, Wanyama or Lovren.. but big names ? The only really big name you mnention there is Keegan - and as you state that is history.

In the modern mega gazillion pound money game we are simply not there yet . We are a triumph of potential over achievement. This was proved by Coutinho to a certain extent .. and frankly every time we hear a name that makes us sit up it comes to nothing. I also think that we are simply not prepared to pay the truly stupid money for a Bale or an Ozil or whoever else might make us a Champions League team. .. and that is probably a good thing given the impact it could have on the clubs financial viability.

I am truly delighted with eighth place but to move higher will need a lot more money, 3 or 4 more players and a bit of luck.

I agree this is a fantastic team at the moment, absolutely beyond dispute. It just lacks squad depth and cover. Your last sentence says it all and I agree and feel the same.

I just feel that we are always going to be pitching for less well known talent to make this club an established Premiership club, rather than make big splurges (i.e. £20m + ) for big game players. The board won't take that risk and such players simply wouldn't come here. I do however feel that as long as we have an adequate budget to pick up the likes of Lovren, Wanyama and Ramirez then that may be enough to keep MoPo. He can work wonders Im sure and he has the academy which will continue to produce solid gold Im sure.

As far as Adam and Luke are concerned I think they will go to ensure we can finance the rest of the squad. I hope I'm wrong but young men are swayed by huge money and human nature and greed are unrelenting forces to be reckoned with.

.. and in passing I really hope we thrash Man Utd ... what's stopping s ? just to make the point that we should have three players in the England squad and that we really should have finished seventh !! ;-)
Mills, Hunter, Shilton, Grobelaar, Jordan, Ball, LeSaux, Monkou, George, Osgood, Hughes, Wright and at this point I'm having a senior moment and gone blank but the modern equivalents of any of those players named would be a welcome addition.

I agree we're never going to capture them in their prime but this is a succession of Saints managers managed to squeeze a season or three very successfully from those above.

Difficult to argue against many of the points you cover though and it seems we are pretty much on the same song sheet. I too fear we may lose Adam and Luke and maybe Spyder just hope we're bith wrong and we can budget enough to keep them happy at St Mary's. Surprised Clyne's name doesn't get the mentions in the press but very happy to have him kept a secret!
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: This is a very long article - it merits several readings. I do not doubt Adams loyalty for one moment but the possibility of a world cup stage and the consequent possibility of doubling his income elsewhere is only going in one direction as far as I can see. He's letting us down gently. This group of players has been special, we all hope it can be built on and the big names will stay. I always hope that is the case, but it can't last forever. Time move on and change is inevitable. I really doubt that the core that has been here through the tough times will be intact next season. I think the new board will capitalise on some of the "value added players", but then again I also expect some investment too. We are still not a club that immediately attracts big name international players, that takes time, and maybe we have done too well too soon. If we keep both Adam and Luke then it will be a massive sign of future intentions and that would also influence MoPo to stay as well. We all know this.. and thats what we are waiting to see. It will be an interesting few months.[/p][/quote]Not sure what you mean when you say this isn't a club that attracts big names - History disproves this. Who would've thought Keegan would come this far south but he did. In recent memory we brought in Ramirez and Osvaldo - both established internationals with big reputations and in great demand. We managed to attract two younger guns in Lovren and Wannayamoney. JRod had a good domestic reputation and others were in for him but he chose to come here. Borat had several clubs chasing him and came here. Cork could've moved to several other Prem clubs but we netted him, Davis had made his name in Scotland and there were clubs there who would've loved to have had on their signings sheet. We can and do attract names. Not the 100k per week current superstars maybe but we can catch them on their up to that or on their way down the other side for a season or two of magic from them. We have to realized that this season has taken to a whole new level - we just have to rely on the management team to keep us at that level as a platform for moving slowly but surely upwards - won't happen overnight but we are maybe 3/4 players from having a fantastic squad. Our midfield is already the equal of anything else in the prem now lets get the defence sorted with one old head CB and a youngster. We need an old head been there, done that striker and a young speedster to complement JRod and cover for him when he's not avail. This is the best Saints squad I've ever seen. Just a little small that's all. I'm 63 and been a Saints fan since I was about 8 so I've seen 'em all come and go and nothing we had beats this lot for sheer energy, skill, exuberance, tactical nous and most of all skill. Love em like they are the fruits of my loins.[/p][/quote]Many thanks, a really clear response and I take all your points. The players you mention are all top quality (possibly excepting Osvaldo - jury is still out on him - is he really as big as he was billed ? I'm still not sure we weren't done over there). I cant argue with Boruc, Wanyama or Lovren.. but big names ? The only really big name you mnention there is Keegan - and as you state that is history. In the modern mega gazillion pound money game we are simply not there yet . We are a triumph of potential over achievement. This was proved by Coutinho to a certain extent .. and frankly every time we hear a name that makes us sit up it comes to nothing. I also think that we are simply not prepared to pay the truly stupid money for a Bale or an Ozil or whoever else might make us a Champions League team. .. and that is probably a good thing given the impact it could have on the clubs financial viability. I am truly delighted with eighth place but to move higher will need a lot more money, 3 or 4 more players and a bit of luck. I agree this is a fantastic team at the moment, absolutely beyond dispute. It just lacks squad depth and cover. Your last sentence says it all and I agree and feel the same. I just feel that we are always going to be pitching for less well known talent to make this club an established Premiership club, rather than make big splurges (i.e. £20m + ) for big game players. The board won't take that risk and such players simply wouldn't come here. I do however feel that as long as we have an adequate budget to pick up the likes of Lovren, Wanyama and Ramirez then that may be enough to keep MoPo. He can work wonders Im sure and he has the academy which will continue to produce solid gold Im sure. As far as Adam and Luke are concerned I think they will go to ensure we can finance the rest of the squad. I hope I'm wrong but young men are swayed by huge money and human nature and greed are unrelenting forces to be reckoned with. .. and in passing I really hope we thrash Man Utd ... what's stopping s ? just to make the point that we should have three players in the England squad and that we really should have finished seventh !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Mills, Hunter, Shilton, Grobelaar, Jordan, Ball, LeSaux, Monkou, George, Osgood, Hughes, Wright and at this point I'm having a senior moment and gone blank but the modern equivalents of any of those players named would be a welcome addition. I agree we're never going to capture them in their prime but this is a succession of Saints managers managed to squeeze a season or three very successfully from those above. Difficult to argue against many of the points you cover though and it seems we are pretty much on the same song sheet. I too fear we may lose Adam and Luke and maybe Spyder just hope we're bith wrong and we can budget enough to keep them happy at St Mary's. Surprised Clyne's name doesn't get the mentions in the press but very happy to have him kept a secret! jls217
  • Score: 0

8:52pm Thu 8 May 14

Leicestersaint says...

Ada Lallana is a real credit to Saints and to himself. Let's hope he says.
Ada Lallana is a real credit to Saints and to himself. Let's hope he says. Leicestersaint
  • Score: 4

9:01pm Thu 8 May 14

SaintSteve76 says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
This is a very long article - it merits several readings. I do not doubt Adams loyalty for one moment but the possibility of a world cup stage and the consequent possibility of doubling his income elsewhere is only going in one direction as far as I can see. He's letting us down gently.

This group of players has been special, we all hope it can be built on and the big names will stay. I always hope that is the case, but it can't last forever.

Time move on and change is inevitable. I really doubt that the core that has been here through the tough times will be intact next season. I think the new board will capitalise on some of the "value added players", but then again I also expect some investment too. We are still not a club that immediately attracts big name international players, that takes time, and maybe we have done too well too soon.

If we keep both Adam and Luke then it will be a massive sign of future intentions and that would also influence MoPo to stay as well. We all know this.. and thats what we are waiting to see.

It will be an interesting few months.
Not sure what you mean when you say this isn't a club that attracts big names - History disproves this. Who would've thought Keegan would come this far south but he did. In recent memory we brought in Ramirez and Osvaldo - both established internationals with big reputations and in great demand. We managed to attract two younger guns in Lovren and Wannayamoney. JRod had a good domestic reputation and others were in for him but he chose to come here. Borat had several clubs chasing him and came here. Cork could've moved to several other Prem clubs but we netted him, Davis had made his name in Scotland and there were clubs there who would've loved to have had on their signings sheet. We can and do attract names. Not the 100k per week current superstars maybe but we can catch them on their up to that or on their way down the other side for a season or two of magic from them. We have to realized that this season has taken to a whole new level - we just have to rely on the management team to keep us at that level as a platform for moving slowly but surely upwards - won't happen overnight but we are maybe 3/4 players from having a fantastic squad. Our midfield is already the equal of anything else in the prem now lets get the defence sorted with one old head CB and a youngster. We need an old head been there, done that striker and a young speedster to complement JRod and cover for him when he's not avail. This is the best Saints squad I've ever seen. Just a little small that's all. I'm 63 and been a Saints fan since I was about 8 so I've seen 'em all come and go and nothing we had beats this lot for sheer energy, skill, exuberance, tactical nous and most of all skill. Love em like they are the fruits of my loins.
Agree with this, keep our young guns because they will become the big names and others will want to join them.
We have enough 'old heads' so signings need to be under 25 except another Keeper. So what about these for targets:-
Goalkeeper - Reddy from Norwich or Marshall from Cardiff
Centreback - Steven Caulker form Cardiff not yet 23 with Premier experience but need to be quick before Liverpool or Manure go for him.
Pacy Winger/forward in part exchange for Osvaldo.
Strikers - Danny Welbeck or Wilfred Bony ? Danny Ings for a punt.
Couldn't agree more with those potential signings although I'd like to see us make an big offer for lukaku!
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: This is a very long article - it merits several readings. I do not doubt Adams loyalty for one moment but the possibility of a world cup stage and the consequent possibility of doubling his income elsewhere is only going in one direction as far as I can see. He's letting us down gently. This group of players has been special, we all hope it can be built on and the big names will stay. I always hope that is the case, but it can't last forever. Time move on and change is inevitable. I really doubt that the core that has been here through the tough times will be intact next season. I think the new board will capitalise on some of the "value added players", but then again I also expect some investment too. We are still not a club that immediately attracts big name international players, that takes time, and maybe we have done too well too soon. If we keep both Adam and Luke then it will be a massive sign of future intentions and that would also influence MoPo to stay as well. We all know this.. and thats what we are waiting to see. It will be an interesting few months.[/p][/quote]Not sure what you mean when you say this isn't a club that attracts big names - History disproves this. Who would've thought Keegan would come this far south but he did. In recent memory we brought in Ramirez and Osvaldo - both established internationals with big reputations and in great demand. We managed to attract two younger guns in Lovren and Wannayamoney. JRod had a good domestic reputation and others were in for him but he chose to come here. Borat had several clubs chasing him and came here. Cork could've moved to several other Prem clubs but we netted him, Davis had made his name in Scotland and there were clubs there who would've loved to have had on their signings sheet. We can and do attract names. Not the 100k per week current superstars maybe but we can catch them on their up to that or on their way down the other side for a season or two of magic from them. We have to realized that this season has taken to a whole new level - we just have to rely on the management team to keep us at that level as a platform for moving slowly but surely upwards - won't happen overnight but we are maybe 3/4 players from having a fantastic squad. Our midfield is already the equal of anything else in the prem now lets get the defence sorted with one old head CB and a youngster. We need an old head been there, done that striker and a young speedster to complement JRod and cover for him when he's not avail. This is the best Saints squad I've ever seen. Just a little small that's all. I'm 63 and been a Saints fan since I was about 8 so I've seen 'em all come and go and nothing we had beats this lot for sheer energy, skill, exuberance, tactical nous and most of all skill. Love em like they are the fruits of my loins.[/p][/quote]Agree with this, keep our young guns because they will become the big names and others will want to join them. We have enough 'old heads' so signings need to be under 25 except another Keeper. So what about these for targets:- Goalkeeper - Reddy from Norwich or Marshall from Cardiff Centreback - Steven Caulker form Cardiff not yet 23 with Premier experience but need to be quick before Liverpool or Manure go for him. Pacy Winger/forward in part exchange for Osvaldo. Strikers - Danny Welbeck or Wilfred Bony ? Danny Ings for a punt.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more with those potential signings although I'd like to see us make an big offer for lukaku! SaintSteve76
  • Score: 2

9:48pm Thu 8 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Sky saying Scouse are making a major effort to sign Adam before the World Cup. Saints insist no approach has yet been made.
Sky saying Scouse are making a major effort to sign Adam before the World Cup. Saints insist no approach has yet been made. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

9:50pm Thu 8 May 14

Reality-man says...

Not liking Sky Sports News 'Breaking News'
Not liking Sky Sports News 'Breaking News' Reality-man
  • Score: 2

10:09pm Thu 8 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Sky saying Scouse are making a major effort to sign Adam before the World Cup. Saints insist no approach has yet been made.
let them bid! I've said all along, just because they ask doesn't mean we have to drop our pants and bend over for them!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Sky saying Scouse are making a major effort to sign Adam before the World Cup. Saints insist no approach has yet been made.[/p][/quote]let them bid! I've said all along, just because they ask doesn't mean we have to drop our pants and bend over for them! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 5

10:33pm Thu 8 May 14

SaintSteve76 says...

This will certainly test the ambition of the board if it's true. We can't afford to sell any star players if we want to push on next season! Selling one star player could have negative consequences for the whole team! It would be such a shame because this current team has massive porential. Time will tell.
This will certainly test the ambition of the board if it's true. We can't afford to sell any star players if we want to push on next season! Selling one star player could have negative consequences for the whole team! It would be such a shame because this current team has massive porential. Time will tell. SaintSteve76
  • Score: 2

11:32pm Thu 8 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Sky saying Scouse are making a major effort to sign Adam before the World Cup. Saints insist no approach has yet been made.
let them bid! I've said all along, just because they ask doesn't mean we have to drop our pants and bend over for them!
Sun quoting £20m, if that is the case it is a non starter, it's an insult.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Sky saying Scouse are making a major effort to sign Adam before the World Cup. Saints insist no approach has yet been made.[/p][/quote]let them bid! I've said all along, just because they ask doesn't mean we have to drop our pants and bend over for them![/p][/quote]Sun quoting £20m, if that is the case it is a non starter, it's an insult. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

11:41pm Thu 8 May 14

jls217 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Sky saying Scouse are making a major effort to sign Adam before the World Cup. Saints insist no approach has yet been made.
let them bid! I've said all along, just because they ask doesn't mean we have to drop our pants and bend over for them!
Sun quoting £20m, if that is the case it is a non starter, it's an insult.
Henderson plus £15m up front and another £5m at £1M per yr and a 20% sell on clause. And then Poochy tells em where to shove it!!!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Sky saying Scouse are making a major effort to sign Adam before the World Cup. Saints insist no approach has yet been made.[/p][/quote]let them bid! I've said all along, just because they ask doesn't mean we have to drop our pants and bend over for them![/p][/quote]Sun quoting £20m, if that is the case it is a non starter, it's an insult.[/p][/quote]Henderson plus £15m up front and another £5m at £1M per yr and a 20% sell on clause. And then Poochy tells em where to shove it!!! jls217
  • Score: 0

11:42pm Thu 8 May 14

warrens 76 says...

jls217 wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
This is a very long article - it merits several readings. I do not doubt Adams loyalty for one moment but the possibility of a world cup stage and the consequent possibility of doubling his income elsewhere is only going in one direction as far as I can see. He's letting us down gently.

This group of players has been special, we all hope it can be built on and the big names will stay. I always hope that is the case, but it can't last forever.

Time move on and change is inevitable. I really doubt that the core that has been here through the tough times will be intact next season. I think the new board will capitalise on some of the "value added players", but then again I also expect some investment too. We are still not a club that immediately attracts big name international players, that takes time, and maybe we have done too well too soon.

If we keep both Adam and Luke then it will be a massive sign of future intentions and that would also influence MoPo to stay as well. We all know this.. and thats what we are waiting to see.

It will be an interesting few months.
Not sure what you mean when you say this isn't a club that attracts big names - History disproves this. Who would've thought Keegan would come this far south but he did. In recent memory we brought in Ramirez and Osvaldo - both established internationals with big reputations and in great demand. We managed to attract two younger guns in Lovren and Wannayamoney. JRod had a good domestic reputation and others were in for him but he chose to come here. Borat had several clubs chasing him and came here. Cork could've moved to several other Prem clubs but we netted him, Davis had made his name in Scotland and there were clubs there who would've loved to have had on their signings sheet. We can and do attract names. Not the 100k per week current superstars maybe but we can catch them on their up to that or on their way down the other side for a season or two of magic from them. We have to realized that this season has taken to a whole new level - we just have to rely on the management team to keep us at that level as a platform for moving slowly but surely upwards - won't happen overnight but we are maybe 3/4 players from having a fantastic squad. Our midfield is already the equal of anything else in the prem now lets get the defence sorted with one old head CB and a youngster. We need an old head been there, done that striker and a young speedster to complement JRod and cover for him when he's not avail. This is the best Saints squad I've ever seen. Just a little small that's all. I'm 63 and been a Saints fan since I was about 8 so I've seen 'em all come and go and nothing we had beats this lot for sheer energy, skill, exuberance, tactical nous and most of all skill. Love em like they are the fruits of my loins.
Many thanks, a really clear response and I take all your points. The players you mention are all top quality (possibly excepting Osvaldo - jury is still out on him - is he really as big as he was billed ? I'm still not sure we weren't done over there). I cant argue with Boruc, Wanyama or Lovren.. but big names ? The only really big name you mnention there is Keegan - and as you state that is history.

In the modern mega gazillion pound money game we are simply not there yet . We are a triumph of potential over achievement. This was proved by Coutinho to a certain extent .. and frankly every time we hear a name that makes us sit up it comes to nothing. I also think that we are simply not prepared to pay the truly stupid money for a Bale or an Ozil or whoever else might make us a Champions League team. .. and that is probably a good thing given the impact it could have on the clubs financial viability.

I am truly delighted with eighth place but to move higher will need a lot more money, 3 or 4 more players and a bit of luck.

I agree this is a fantastic team at the moment, absolutely beyond dispute. It just lacks squad depth and cover. Your last sentence says it all and I agree and feel the same.

I just feel that we are always going to be pitching for less well known talent to make this club an established Premiership club, rather than make big splurges (i.e. £20m + ) for big game players. The board won't take that risk and such players simply wouldn't come here. I do however feel that as long as we have an adequate budget to pick up the likes of Lovren, Wanyama and Ramirez then that may be enough to keep MoPo. He can work wonders Im sure and he has the academy which will continue to produce solid gold Im sure.

As far as Adam and Luke are concerned I think they will go to ensure we can finance the rest of the squad. I hope I'm wrong but young men are swayed by huge money and human nature and greed are unrelenting forces to be reckoned with.

.. and in passing I really hope we thrash Man Utd ... what's stopping s ? just to make the point that we should have three players in the England squad and that we really should have finished seventh !! ;-)
Mills, Hunter, Shilton, Grobelaar, Jordan, Ball, LeSaux, Monkou, George, Osgood, Hughes, Wright and at this point I'm having a senior moment and gone blank but the modern equivalents of any of those players named would be a welcome addition.

I agree we're never going to capture them in their prime but this is a succession of Saints managers managed to squeeze a season or three very successfully from those above.

Difficult to argue against many of the points you cover though and it seems we are pretty much on the same song sheet. I too fear we may lose Adam and Luke and maybe Spyder just hope we're bith wrong and we can budget enough to keep them happy at St Mary's. Surprised Clyne's name doesn't get the mentions in the press but very happy to have him kept a secret!
Jimmy Case!
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: This is a very long article - it merits several readings. I do not doubt Adams loyalty for one moment but the possibility of a world cup stage and the consequent possibility of doubling his income elsewhere is only going in one direction as far as I can see. He's letting us down gently. This group of players has been special, we all hope it can be built on and the big names will stay. I always hope that is the case, but it can't last forever. Time move on and change is inevitable. I really doubt that the core that has been here through the tough times will be intact next season. I think the new board will capitalise on some of the "value added players", but then again I also expect some investment too. We are still not a club that immediately attracts big name international players, that takes time, and maybe we have done too well too soon. If we keep both Adam and Luke then it will be a massive sign of future intentions and that would also influence MoPo to stay as well. We all know this.. and thats what we are waiting to see. It will be an interesting few months.[/p][/quote]Not sure what you mean when you say this isn't a club that attracts big names - History disproves this. Who would've thought Keegan would come this far south but he did. In recent memory we brought in Ramirez and Osvaldo - both established internationals with big reputations and in great demand. We managed to attract two younger guns in Lovren and Wannayamoney. JRod had a good domestic reputation and others were in for him but he chose to come here. Borat had several clubs chasing him and came here. Cork could've moved to several other Prem clubs but we netted him, Davis had made his name in Scotland and there were clubs there who would've loved to have had on their signings sheet. We can and do attract names. Not the 100k per week current superstars maybe but we can catch them on their up to that or on their way down the other side for a season or two of magic from them. We have to realized that this season has taken to a whole new level - we just have to rely on the management team to keep us at that level as a platform for moving slowly but surely upwards - won't happen overnight but we are maybe 3/4 players from having a fantastic squad. Our midfield is already the equal of anything else in the prem now lets get the defence sorted with one old head CB and a youngster. We need an old head been there, done that striker and a young speedster to complement JRod and cover for him when he's not avail. This is the best Saints squad I've ever seen. Just a little small that's all. I'm 63 and been a Saints fan since I was about 8 so I've seen 'em all come and go and nothing we had beats this lot for sheer energy, skill, exuberance, tactical nous and most of all skill. Love em like they are the fruits of my loins.[/p][/quote]Many thanks, a really clear response and I take all your points. The players you mention are all top quality (possibly excepting Osvaldo - jury is still out on him - is he really as big as he was billed ? I'm still not sure we weren't done over there). I cant argue with Boruc, Wanyama or Lovren.. but big names ? The only really big name you mnention there is Keegan - and as you state that is history. In the modern mega gazillion pound money game we are simply not there yet . We are a triumph of potential over achievement. This was proved by Coutinho to a certain extent .. and frankly every time we hear a name that makes us sit up it comes to nothing. I also think that we are simply not prepared to pay the truly stupid money for a Bale or an Ozil or whoever else might make us a Champions League team. .. and that is probably a good thing given the impact it could have on the clubs financial viability. I am truly delighted with eighth place but to move higher will need a lot more money, 3 or 4 more players and a bit of luck. I agree this is a fantastic team at the moment, absolutely beyond dispute. It just lacks squad depth and cover. Your last sentence says it all and I agree and feel the same. I just feel that we are always going to be pitching for less well known talent to make this club an established Premiership club, rather than make big splurges (i.e. £20m + ) for big game players. The board won't take that risk and such players simply wouldn't come here. I do however feel that as long as we have an adequate budget to pick up the likes of Lovren, Wanyama and Ramirez then that may be enough to keep MoPo. He can work wonders Im sure and he has the academy which will continue to produce solid gold Im sure. As far as Adam and Luke are concerned I think they will go to ensure we can finance the rest of the squad. I hope I'm wrong but young men are swayed by huge money and human nature and greed are unrelenting forces to be reckoned with. .. and in passing I really hope we thrash Man Utd ... what's stopping s ? just to make the point that we should have three players in the England squad and that we really should have finished seventh !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Mills, Hunter, Shilton, Grobelaar, Jordan, Ball, LeSaux, Monkou, George, Osgood, Hughes, Wright and at this point I'm having a senior moment and gone blank but the modern equivalents of any of those players named would be a welcome addition. I agree we're never going to capture them in their prime but this is a succession of Saints managers managed to squeeze a season or three very successfully from those above. Difficult to argue against many of the points you cover though and it seems we are pretty much on the same song sheet. I too fear we may lose Adam and Luke and maybe Spyder just hope we're bith wrong and we can budget enough to keep them happy at St Mary's. Surprised Clyne's name doesn't get the mentions in the press but very happy to have him kept a secret![/p][/quote]Jimmy Case! warrens 76
  • Score: 0

11:58pm Thu 8 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Sky saying Scouse are making a major effort to sign Adam before the World Cup. Saints insist no approach has yet been made.
let them bid! I've said all along, just because they ask doesn't mean we have to drop our pants and bend over for them!
Sun quoting £20m, if that is the case it is a non starter, it's an insult.
well lets be honest, if lalla wants to stay and the board want him to stay its a non-starter. we have all seen and heard lalla saying how much the club means to him and he is happy to stay IF the board show the ambition to match the players,
if the board don't want to progress the club then i`m afraid lalla amongst others will be gone. however Costa Baz reposted a post from another site today about someone having a meeting with RK, its a great read and filled me with hope that the club are looking to progress to the next step and are looking, not only to keep our stars, but to bring in new players. i live in hope because we wont have a better chance to `break into` the top 4-6 than we have right now.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Sky saying Scouse are making a major effort to sign Adam before the World Cup. Saints insist no approach has yet been made.[/p][/quote]let them bid! I've said all along, just because they ask doesn't mean we have to drop our pants and bend over for them![/p][/quote]Sun quoting £20m, if that is the case it is a non starter, it's an insult.[/p][/quote]well lets be honest, if lalla wants to stay and the board want him to stay its a non-starter. we have all seen and heard lalla saying how much the club means to him and he is happy to stay IF the board show the ambition to match the players, if the board don't want to progress the club then i`m afraid lalla amongst others will be gone. however Costa Baz reposted a post from another site today about someone having a meeting with RK, its a great read and filled me with hope that the club are looking to progress to the next step and are looking, not only to keep our stars, but to bring in new players. i live in hope because we wont have a better chance to `break into` the top 4-6 than we have right now. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 4

3:43am Fri 9 May 14

Rising_Son says...

warrens 76 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
This is a very long article - it merits several readings. I do not doubt Adams loyalty for one moment but the possibility of a world cup stage and the consequent possibility of doubling his income elsewhere is only going in one direction as far as I can see. He's letting us down gently.

This group of players has been special, we all hope it can be built on and the big names will stay. I always hope that is the case, but it can't last forever.

Time move on and change is inevitable. I really doubt that the core that has been here through the tough times will be intact next season. I think the new board will capitalise on some of the "value added players", but then again I also expect some investment too. We are still not a club that immediately attracts big name international players, that takes time, and maybe we have done too well too soon.

If we keep both Adam and Luke then it will be a massive sign of future intentions and that would also influence MoPo to stay as well. We all know this.. and thats what we are waiting to see.

It will be an interesting few months.
Not sure what you mean when you say this isn't a club that attracts big names - History disproves this. Who would've thought Keegan would come this far south but he did. In recent memory we brought in Ramirez and Osvaldo - both established internationals with big reputations and in great demand. We managed to attract two younger guns in Lovren and Wannayamoney. JRod had a good domestic reputation and others were in for him but he chose to come here. Borat had several clubs chasing him and came here. Cork could've moved to several other Prem clubs but we netted him, Davis had made his name in Scotland and there were clubs there who would've loved to have had on their signings sheet. We can and do attract names. Not the 100k per week current superstars maybe but we can catch them on their up to that or on their way down the other side for a season or two of magic from them. We have to realized that this season has taken to a whole new level - we just have to rely on the management team to keep us at that level as a platform for moving slowly but surely upwards - won't happen overnight but we are maybe 3/4 players from having a fantastic squad. Our midfield is already the equal of anything else in the prem now lets get the defence sorted with one old head CB and a youngster. We need an old head been there, done that striker and a young speedster to complement JRod and cover for him when he's not avail. This is the best Saints squad I've ever seen. Just a little small that's all. I'm 63 and been a Saints fan since I was about 8 so I've seen 'em all come and go and nothing we had beats this lot for sheer energy, skill, exuberance, tactical nous and most of all skill. Love em like they are the fruits of my loins.
Many thanks, a really clear response and I take all your points. The players you mention are all top quality (possibly excepting Osvaldo - jury is still out on him - is he really as big as he was billed ? I'm still not sure we weren't done over there). I cant argue with Boruc, Wanyama or Lovren.. but big names ? The only really big name you mnention there is Keegan - and as you state that is history.

In the modern mega gazillion pound money game we are simply not there yet . We are a triumph of potential over achievement. This was proved by Coutinho to a certain extent .. and frankly every time we hear a name that makes us sit up it comes to nothing. I also think that we are simply not prepared to pay the truly stupid money for a Bale or an Ozil or whoever else might make us a Champions League team. .. and that is probably a good thing given the impact it could have on the clubs financial viability.

I am truly delighted with eighth place but to move higher will need a lot more money, 3 or 4 more players and a bit of luck.

I agree this is a fantastic team at the moment, absolutely beyond dispute. It just lacks squad depth and cover. Your last sentence says it all and I agree and feel the same.

I just feel that we are always going to be pitching for less well known talent to make this club an established Premiership club, rather than make big splurges (i.e. £20m + ) for big game players. The board won't take that risk and such players simply wouldn't come here. I do however feel that as long as we have an adequate budget to pick up the likes of Lovren, Wanyama and Ramirez then that may be enough to keep MoPo. He can work wonders Im sure and he has the academy which will continue to produce solid gold Im sure.

As far as Adam and Luke are concerned I think they will go to ensure we can finance the rest of the squad. I hope I'm wrong but young men are swayed by huge money and human nature and greed are unrelenting forces to be reckoned with.

.. and in passing I really hope we thrash Man Utd ... what's stopping s ? just to make the point that we should have three players in the England squad and that we really should have finished seventh !! ;-)
Mills, Hunter, Shilton, Grobelaar, Jordan, Ball, LeSaux, Monkou, George, Osgood, Hughes, Wright and at this point I'm having a senior moment and gone blank but the modern equivalents of any of those players named would be a welcome addition.

I agree we're never going to capture them in their prime but this is a succession of Saints managers managed to squeeze a season or three very successfully from those above.

Difficult to argue against many of the points you cover though and it seems we are pretty much on the same song sheet. I too fear we may lose Adam and Luke and maybe Spyder just hope we're bith wrong and we can budget enough to keep them happy at St Mary's. Surprised Clyne's name doesn't get the mentions in the press but very happy to have him kept a secret!
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Jimmy Gabriel.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: This is a very long article - it merits several readings. I do not doubt Adams loyalty for one moment but the possibility of a world cup stage and the consequent possibility of doubling his income elsewhere is only going in one direction as far as I can see. He's letting us down gently. This group of players has been special, we all hope it can be built on and the big names will stay. I always hope that is the case, but it can't last forever. Time move on and change is inevitable. I really doubt that the core that has been here through the tough times will be intact next season. I think the new board will capitalise on some of the "value added players", but then again I also expect some investment too. We are still not a club that immediately attracts big name international players, that takes time, and maybe we have done too well too soon. If we keep both Adam and Luke then it will be a massive sign of future intentions and that would also influence MoPo to stay as well. We all know this.. and thats what we are waiting to see. It will be an interesting few months.[/p][/quote]Not sure what you mean when you say this isn't a club that attracts big names - History disproves this. Who would've thought Keegan would come this far south but he did. In recent memory we brought in Ramirez and Osvaldo - both established internationals with big reputations and in great demand. We managed to attract two younger guns in Lovren and Wannayamoney. JRod had a good domestic reputation and others were in for him but he chose to come here. Borat had several clubs chasing him and came here. Cork could've moved to several other Prem clubs but we netted him, Davis had made his name in Scotland and there were clubs there who would've loved to have had on their signings sheet. We can and do attract names. Not the 100k per week current superstars maybe but we can catch them on their up to that or on their way down the other side for a season or two of magic from them. We have to realized that this season has taken to a whole new level - we just have to rely on the management team to keep us at that level as a platform for moving slowly but surely upwards - won't happen overnight but we are maybe 3/4 players from having a fantastic squad. Our midfield is already the equal of anything else in the prem now lets get the defence sorted with one old head CB and a youngster. We need an old head been there, done that striker and a young speedster to complement JRod and cover for him when he's not avail. This is the best Saints squad I've ever seen. Just a little small that's all. I'm 63 and been a Saints fan since I was about 8 so I've seen 'em all come and go and nothing we had beats this lot for sheer energy, skill, exuberance, tactical nous and most of all skill. Love em like they are the fruits of my loins.[/p][/quote]Many thanks, a really clear response and I take all your points. The players you mention are all top quality (possibly excepting Osvaldo - jury is still out on him - is he really as big as he was billed ? I'm still not sure we weren't done over there). I cant argue with Boruc, Wanyama or Lovren.. but big names ? The only really big name you mnention there is Keegan - and as you state that is history. In the modern mega gazillion pound money game we are simply not there yet . We are a triumph of potential over achievement. This was proved by Coutinho to a certain extent .. and frankly every time we hear a name that makes us sit up it comes to nothing. I also think that we are simply not prepared to pay the truly stupid money for a Bale or an Ozil or whoever else might make us a Champions League team. .. and that is probably a good thing given the impact it could have on the clubs financial viability. I am truly delighted with eighth place but to move higher will need a lot more money, 3 or 4 more players and a bit of luck. I agree this is a fantastic team at the moment, absolutely beyond dispute. It just lacks squad depth and cover. Your last sentence says it all and I agree and feel the same. I just feel that we are always going to be pitching for less well known talent to make this club an established Premiership club, rather than make big splurges (i.e. £20m + ) for big game players. The board won't take that risk and such players simply wouldn't come here. I do however feel that as long as we have an adequate budget to pick up the likes of Lovren, Wanyama and Ramirez then that may be enough to keep MoPo. He can work wonders Im sure and he has the academy which will continue to produce solid gold Im sure. As far as Adam and Luke are concerned I think they will go to ensure we can finance the rest of the squad. I hope I'm wrong but young men are swayed by huge money and human nature and greed are unrelenting forces to be reckoned with. .. and in passing I really hope we thrash Man Utd ... what's stopping s ? just to make the point that we should have three players in the England squad and that we really should have finished seventh !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Mills, Hunter, Shilton, Grobelaar, Jordan, Ball, LeSaux, Monkou, George, Osgood, Hughes, Wright and at this point I'm having a senior moment and gone blank but the modern equivalents of any of those players named would be a welcome addition. I agree we're never going to capture them in their prime but this is a succession of Saints managers managed to squeeze a season or three very successfully from those above. Difficult to argue against many of the points you cover though and it seems we are pretty much on the same song sheet. I too fear we may lose Adam and Luke and maybe Spyder just hope we're bith wrong and we can budget enough to keep them happy at St Mary's. Surprised Clyne's name doesn't get the mentions in the press but very happy to have him kept a secret![/p][/quote]Jimmy Case![/p][/quote]Jimmy Gabriel. Rising_Son
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4:40pm Fri 9 May 14

hamblepoint says...

There are more Shaws and Chambers in the development squad. The Saints have had the most possession of any team in the premiership this season. Remember that pre season trip to South Eastern Spain and Barcelona. For quick passing possession football the Saints are fast approaching the Barcelona of Guardiola days. The futures bright the future is RED & WHITE
There are more Shaws and Chambers in the development squad. The Saints have had the most possession of any team in the premiership this season. Remember that pre season trip to South Eastern Spain and Barcelona. For quick passing possession football the Saints are fast approaching the Barcelona of Guardiola days. The futures bright the future is RED & WHITE hamblepoint
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