Saints director Les Reed hits out at "laughable" new FA plans

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Saints director Les Reed does not see the logic of the new ‘B’ league proposal made by Football Association chairman Greg Dyke in his England Commission report.

Dyke unveiled a raft of proposals earlier today that are aimed at boosting both the number and quality of English players at the top level of club football in the country.

The most controversial suggestion is the introduction of ‘B’ teams in a new ‘League Three’ that would be established in 2016/17 and would feature ten Premier League ‘B’ squads and ten Conference sides.

The League Three would be placed below the current League Two and above the Conference Premier.

Reed addressed the issue at Saints’ player awards event earlier this week, labelling the plan as “laughable” at one point.

“There’s talk about a B league sitting between the Conference and League Two, in order that our young English players can get the experience of playing at the top level,” he said, speaking before the report was officially announced.

“I don’t understand that definition.

“Why would we want to develop elite players for international and Premier League football by playing them in a league that sits just above the Conference?

“We’ve got a terrific conveyor belt of players coming through our under-16s, under-18s, under-21s – each of those age groups are the youngest age groups in the Premier League, so we’ve got the youngest under-21 team, the youngest under-18 team, and the reason is five of them are in the first team.

“That, to me, seems to be a much better model.

“James Ward-Prowse will tell you that playing against Morgan Schneiderlin in training every day, working with him, playing with him on the pitch, playing with Victor Wanyama, international players of that calibre, makes him a better midfield player.

“He’s not going to get that playing against teams at League Two level and the Conference, so I think the idea (that) another league playing lower than League Two is going to make our young players better, I just don’t see the logic in that.

“I think it’s laughable.”

Under Dyke’s model, 19 of the 25 players in each ‘B’ team squad should be under the age of 21, while 20 of the 25 should qualify for the home-grown rule and no non-EU players would be allowed.

Dyke said Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United, Stoke and Tottenham all supported the proposal, but others are understood to have serious reservations.

As well as the B team plans, Dyke also unveiled a blueprint for overhauling the work permit system and increasing the number of home-grown players in squads.

The commission recommends a phased reduction in the number of non home-grown players in top-flight squads from 17 to 12, starting in 2016/17 and reaching that target by 2021.

In terms of work permits, the commission proposes a cap on two non-EU players per squad, and that no players on overseas visas should be allowed to play below the Premier League, nor loaned to any other club in England.

Dyke also announced a proposal for the development of “strategic loan partnerships” between a club in the Premier League or Championship and another club in the lower leagues.

Dyke, who wants to see the number of English players playing regularly in the Premier League increase from 66 currently to 90 by the year 2022, described the target as “ambitious but realistic”.

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4:58pm Thu 8 May 14

St Retford says...

Quite right, Lou. These plans are beyond daft and would do so much damage to the lower league teams.
Quite right, Lou. These plans are beyond daft and would do so much damage to the lower league teams. St Retford
  • Score: 19

5:15pm Thu 8 May 14

Clever Dick says...

Now wouldn't it be logical for the fools at the FA to ask themselves where most of the young talent is coming from and to follow their tried and tested methods. Obviously not. They must think Les Reed doesn't know what he's talking about. Seems like those in high places at the FA are about as clueless as Sepp Blatter is at FIFA.
Now wouldn't it be logical for the fools at the FA to ask themselves where most of the young talent is coming from and to follow their tried and tested methods. Obviously not. They must think Les Reed doesn't know what he's talking about. Seems like those in high places at the FA are about as clueless as Sepp Blatter is at FIFA. Clever Dick
  • Score: 21

5:20pm Thu 8 May 14

Confucious says...

Come on Les, we want three of our players on that plane to Brazil. Don't tell the FA exactly what you think of them before the squad is announced - tell them exactly what they think of themselves.
Come on Les, we want three of our players on that plane to Brazil. Don't tell the FA exactly what you think of them before the squad is announced - tell them exactly what they think of themselves. Confucious
  • Score: 12

5:35pm Thu 8 May 14

Confucious says...

I watched a really great game last Sunday. Twenty fouls in the first 12 minutes; fists and elbows flying, eyes poked, shins scraped, hair pulled, bucket loads of spit spat - and the foulest language you'll ever hear.

Extremely physical; terrific commitment and amazingly competitive. And every single player was English.

What's more not one of them was more than 12 years old.
I watched a really great game last Sunday. Twenty fouls in the first 12 minutes; fists and elbows flying, eyes poked, shins scraped, hair pulled, bucket loads of spit spat - and the foulest language you'll ever hear. Extremely physical; terrific commitment and amazingly competitive. And every single player was English. What's more not one of them was more than 12 years old. Confucious
  • Score: 10

5:48pm Thu 8 May 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

watch celtic and rangers join.
watch celtic and rangers join. Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: -4

5:57pm Thu 8 May 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Les please get on with the important job in hand and get the manager signed and tell our young stars that we are going to sign more good players to push for a Champions league place next season. That is what MoPo, Adam, Luke, Morgan etc are waiting to hear. Get them all to commit to one more season, if we don't push on then look at it again next year.
Please tell Ralph and the new board that they need to make an impact now, they may not realise it, but we may never be in as good a position to push on. I am sure that Katharina has not appointed you all to settle for mid-table so please get on with it.
Sign four top players quickly to add to this squad would do it, but do so now before the World Cup starts to settle everyone down. Good if the additions are home grown, youngish and experienced. Go for Steven Caulker and pacy forwards for starters.
Les please get on with the important job in hand and get the manager signed and tell our young stars that we are going to sign more good players to push for a Champions league place next season. That is what MoPo, Adam, Luke, Morgan etc are waiting to hear. Get them all to commit to one more season, if we don't push on then look at it again next year. Please tell Ralph and the new board that they need to make an impact now, they may not realise it, but we may never be in as good a position to push on. I am sure that Katharina has not appointed you all to settle for mid-table so please get on with it. Sign four top players quickly to add to this squad would do it, but do so now before the World Cup starts to settle everyone down. Good if the additions are home grown, youngish and experienced. Go for Steven Caulker and pacy forwards for starters. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: -5

6:25pm Thu 8 May 14

Buddy SFC says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
Les please get on with the important job in hand and get the manager signed and tell our young stars that we are going to sign more good players to push for a Champions league place next season. That is what MoPo, Adam, Luke, Morgan etc are waiting to hear. Get them all to commit to one more season, if we don't push on then look at it again next year.
Please tell Ralph and the new board that they need to make an impact now, they may not realise it, but we may never be in as good a position to push on. I am sure that Katharina has not appointed you all to settle for mid-table so please get on with it.
Sign four top players quickly to add to this squad would do it, but do so now before the World Cup starts to settle everyone down. Good if the additions are home grown, youngish and experienced. Go for Steven Caulker and pacy forwards for starters.
With Respect , that I'm sure is exactly what Les is doing ! I met Mr Kruger outside the ground before The Cardiff game and I'm sure he does realise it !

Whether the money will be their to realise all our ambitions bearing in mind the £27m hole NC left , I hope so !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Les please get on with the important job in hand and get the manager signed and tell our young stars that we are going to sign more good players to push for a Champions league place next season. That is what MoPo, Adam, Luke, Morgan etc are waiting to hear. Get them all to commit to one more season, if we don't push on then look at it again next year. Please tell Ralph and the new board that they need to make an impact now, they may not realise it, but we may never be in as good a position to push on. I am sure that Katharina has not appointed you all to settle for mid-table so please get on with it. Sign four top players quickly to add to this squad would do it, but do so now before the World Cup starts to settle everyone down. Good if the additions are home grown, youngish and experienced. Go for Steven Caulker and pacy forwards for starters.[/p][/quote]With Respect , that I'm sure is exactly what Les is doing ! I met Mr Kruger outside the ground before The Cardiff game and I'm sure he does realise it ! Whether the money will be their to realise all our ambitions bearing in mind the £27m hole NC left , I hope so !!!!! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 8

6:36pm Thu 8 May 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

Why not let them, and keep doing what we are doing?
Why not let them, and keep doing what we are doing? BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: -5

7:10pm Thu 8 May 14

Puddletown Saint says...

Okay, with my Saints biased head on here is my (slightly complicated) way of helping the England team.

I would have no limit to the amount of non English players that a club can sign. No breaking of any dodgy employment laws.

But the FA/PL/FL limit in all their competitions that only half the match day squad can be non English (9).

Again, the clubs then get rewarded in money (£1M) if a player aged under 21 completes the equivalent of say 15 FULL league matches (1350 mins) in a season. This player must have been with the club for at least 2 years and be eligible for the England team.

You with me so far.

So we would receive dosh for JWP and Luke but not Sam or Harrison.

The big clubs can still buy up the nippers but at least the money stays in this country. They would get nothing for bringing on an overseas player so then may encourage the London/NW brigade to develop there own. Winners all round unless you guys can see any issues.
Okay, with my Saints biased head on here is my (slightly complicated) way of helping the England team. I would have no limit to the amount of non English players that a club can sign. No breaking of any dodgy employment laws. But the FA/PL/FL limit in all their competitions that only half the match day squad can be non English (9). Again, the clubs then get rewarded in money (£1M) if a player aged under 21 completes the equivalent of say 15 FULL league matches (1350 mins) in a season. This player must have been with the club for at least 2 years and be eligible for the England team. You with me so far. So we would receive dosh for JWP and Luke but not Sam or Harrison. The big clubs can still buy up the nippers but at least the money stays in this country. They would get nothing for bringing on an overseas player so then may encourage the London/NW brigade to develop there own. Winners all round unless you guys can see any issues. Puddletown Saint
  • Score: 5

7:11pm Thu 8 May 14

DisplacedFan says...

Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
watch celtic and rangers join.
Ach the nooooooooooo!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: watch celtic and rangers join.[/p][/quote]Ach the nooooooooooo!!!!! DisplacedFan
  • Score: -3

7:16pm Thu 8 May 14

Clever Dick says...

DisplacedFan wrote:
Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
watch celtic and rangers join.
Ach the nooooooooooo!!!!!
If they do introduce it there is to be no promotion to the championship or the prem .
[quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: watch celtic and rangers join.[/p][/quote]Ach the nooooooooooo!!!!![/p][/quote]If they do introduce it there is to be no promotion to the championship or the prem . Clever Dick
  • Score: -1

8:08pm Thu 8 May 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Les please get on with the important job in hand and get the manager signed and tell our young stars that we are going to sign more good players to push for a Champions league place next season. That is what MoPo, Adam, Luke, Morgan etc are waiting to hear. Get them all to commit to one more season, if we don't push on then look at it again next year.
Please tell Ralph and the new board that they need to make an impact now, they may not realise it, but we may never be in as good a position to push on. I am sure that Katharina has not appointed you all to settle for mid-table so please get on with it.
Sign four top players quickly to add to this squad would do it, but do so now before the World Cup starts to settle everyone down. Good if the additions are home grown, youngish and experienced. Go for Steven Caulker and pacy forwards for starters.
With Respect , that I'm sure is exactly what Les is doing ! I met Mr Kruger outside the ground before The Cardiff game and I'm sure he does realise it !

Whether the money will be their to realise all our ambitions bearing in mind the £27m hole NC left , I hope so !!!!!
I hope so too Buddy !! Just feel we need to keep the pressure on them.

As for the £27m hole we apparently have to pay £22m this season and the rest next. But does anyone know if this includes all of Osvaldo's fee.
If we could off load him and some fringe players it could reduce to about £10m for this season which is not bad considering £80m+ that is supposed to be coming in if the recent reports are correct.
Keep our young squad and spend two thirds of that on four good players by deferring a bit to the following season and Katharina does not need to put any more cash in.
We must be able to use Osvaldo as a makeweight for a good player we do want from Italy. The rest could be English like Steven Caulker (need to move quick for him before Liverpool or Manure do) then what about Danny Welbeck ?
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Les please get on with the important job in hand and get the manager signed and tell our young stars that we are going to sign more good players to push for a Champions league place next season. That is what MoPo, Adam, Luke, Morgan etc are waiting to hear. Get them all to commit to one more season, if we don't push on then look at it again next year. Please tell Ralph and the new board that they need to make an impact now, they may not realise it, but we may never be in as good a position to push on. I am sure that Katharina has not appointed you all to settle for mid-table so please get on with it. Sign four top players quickly to add to this squad would do it, but do so now before the World Cup starts to settle everyone down. Good if the additions are home grown, youngish and experienced. Go for Steven Caulker and pacy forwards for starters.[/p][/quote]With Respect , that I'm sure is exactly what Les is doing ! I met Mr Kruger outside the ground before The Cardiff game and I'm sure he does realise it ! Whether the money will be their to realise all our ambitions bearing in mind the £27m hole NC left , I hope so !!!!![/p][/quote]I hope so too Buddy !! Just feel we need to keep the pressure on them. As for the £27m hole we apparently have to pay £22m this season and the rest next. But does anyone know if this includes all of Osvaldo's fee. If we could off load him and some fringe players it could reduce to about £10m for this season which is not bad considering £80m+ that is supposed to be coming in if the recent reports are correct. Keep our young squad and spend two thirds of that on four good players by deferring a bit to the following season and Katharina does not need to put any more cash in. We must be able to use Osvaldo as a makeweight for a good player we do want from Italy. The rest could be English like Steven Caulker (need to move quick for him before Liverpool or Manure do) then what about Danny Welbeck ? NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 0

8:27pm Thu 8 May 14

Santa Retfordia says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote: Les please get on with the important job in hand and get the manager signed and tell our young stars that we are going to sign more good players to push for a Champions league place next season. That is what MoPo, Adam, Luke, Morgan etc are waiting to hear. Get them all to commit to one more season, if we don't push on then look at it again next year. Please tell Ralph and the new board that they need to make an impact now, they may not realise it, but we may never be in as good a position to push on. I am sure that Katharina has not appointed you all to settle for mid-table so please get on with it. Sign four top players quickly to add to this squad would do it, but do so now before the World Cup starts to settle everyone down. Good if the additions are home grown, youngish and experienced. Go for Steven Caulker and pacy forwards for starters.
With Respect , that I'm sure is exactly what Les is doing ! I met Mr Kruger outside the ground before The Cardiff game and I'm sure he does realise it ! Whether the money will be their to realise all our ambitions bearing in mind the £27m hole NC left , I hope so !!!!!
I hope so too Buddy !! Just feel we need to keep the pressure on them. As for the £27m hole we apparently have to pay £22m this season and the rest next. But does anyone know if this includes all of Osvaldo's fee. If we could off load him and some fringe players it could reduce to about £10m for this season which is not bad considering £80m+ that is supposed to be coming in if the recent reports are correct. Keep our young squad and spend two thirds of that on four good players by deferring a bit to the following season and Katharina does not need to put any more cash in. We must be able to use Osvaldo as a makeweight for a good player we do want from Italy. The rest could be English like Steven Caulker (need to move quick for him before Liverpool or Manure do) then what about Danny Welbeck ?
I'm pretty sure Lou is well aware of this. At least half the squad has come out and told the board exactly what they (and we) want to happen so all we can do is watch and wait. I reckon we'll be fine.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Les please get on with the important job in hand and get the manager signed and tell our young stars that we are going to sign more good players to push for a Champions league place next season. That is what MoPo, Adam, Luke, Morgan etc are waiting to hear. Get them all to commit to one more season, if we don't push on then look at it again next year. Please tell Ralph and the new board that they need to make an impact now, they may not realise it, but we may never be in as good a position to push on. I am sure that Katharina has not appointed you all to settle for mid-table so please get on with it. Sign four top players quickly to add to this squad would do it, but do so now before the World Cup starts to settle everyone down. Good if the additions are home grown, youngish and experienced. Go for Steven Caulker and pacy forwards for starters.[/p][/quote]With Respect , that I'm sure is exactly what Les is doing ! I met Mr Kruger outside the ground before The Cardiff game and I'm sure he does realise it ! Whether the money will be their to realise all our ambitions bearing in mind the £27m hole NC left , I hope so !!!!![/p][/quote]I hope so too Buddy !! Just feel we need to keep the pressure on them. As for the £27m hole we apparently have to pay £22m this season and the rest next. But does anyone know if this includes all of Osvaldo's fee. If we could off load him and some fringe players it could reduce to about £10m for this season which is not bad considering £80m+ that is supposed to be coming in if the recent reports are correct. Keep our young squad and spend two thirds of that on four good players by deferring a bit to the following season and Katharina does not need to put any more cash in. We must be able to use Osvaldo as a makeweight for a good player we do want from Italy. The rest could be English like Steven Caulker (need to move quick for him before Liverpool or Manure do) then what about Danny Welbeck ?[/p][/quote]I'm pretty sure Lou is well aware of this. At least half the squad has come out and told the board exactly what they (and we) want to happen so all we can do is watch and wait. I reckon we'll be fine. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: -1

8:36pm Thu 8 May 14

dadofmy3sons says...

"Calum Chambers, Sam Gallagher, Harrison Reed and Matt Targett have all been selected for England Under-19s’ forthcoming training camp next week."

Lifted from the Saints site.
It says everything we need to say.
We are succesful at bringing on youth players and have four young players ready to progress into the Prem squad.
Oh, sorry , three of them already have.
Matt Targett has some old guy by the name of Shaw in his way.
"Calum Chambers, Sam Gallagher, Harrison Reed and Matt Targett have all been selected for England Under-19s’ forthcoming training camp next week." Lifted from the Saints site. It says everything we need to say. We are succesful at bringing on youth players and have four young players ready to progress into the Prem squad. Oh, sorry , three of them already have. Matt Targett has some old guy by the name of Shaw in his way. dadofmy3sons
  • Score: 11

9:47pm Thu 8 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Why don't they just bring back the Football Combination League.
It worked perfectly,and was competitive,with a prize at the end.
Its not as though Premier League clubs couldn't afford to subsidise it.
It would also generate revenue.
Why don't they just bring back the Football Combination League. It worked perfectly,and was competitive,with a prize at the end. Its not as though Premier League clubs couldn't afford to subsidise it. It would also generate revenue. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 6

9:52pm Thu 8 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote: Les please get on with the important job in hand and get the manager signed and tell our young stars that we are going to sign more good players to push for a Champions league place next season. That is what MoPo, Adam, Luke, Morgan etc are waiting to hear. Get them all to commit to one more season, if we don't push on then look at it again next year. Please tell Ralph and the new board that they need to make an impact now, they may not realise it, but we may never be in as good a position to push on. I am sure that Katharina has not appointed you all to settle for mid-table so please get on with it. Sign four top players quickly to add to this squad would do it, but do so now before the World Cup starts to settle everyone down. Good if the additions are home grown, youngish and experienced. Go for Steven Caulker and pacy forwards for starters.
With Respect , that I'm sure is exactly what Les is doing ! I met Mr Kruger outside the ground before The Cardiff game and I'm sure he does realise it ! Whether the money will be their to realise all our ambitions bearing in mind the £27m hole NC left , I hope so !!!!!
I hope so too Buddy !! Just feel we need to keep the pressure on them. As for the £27m hole we apparently have to pay £22m this season and the rest next. But does anyone know if this includes all of Osvaldo's fee. If we could off load him and some fringe players it could reduce to about £10m for this season which is not bad considering £80m+ that is supposed to be coming in if the recent reports are correct. Keep our young squad and spend two thirds of that on four good players by deferring a bit to the following season and Katharina does not need to put any more cash in. We must be able to use Osvaldo as a makeweight for a good player we do want from Italy. The rest could be English like Steven Caulker (need to move quick for him before Liverpool or Manure do) then what about Danny Welbeck ?
I'm pretty sure Lou is well aware of this. At least half the squad has come out and told the board exactly what they (and we) want to happen so all we can do is watch and wait. I reckon we'll be fine.
I think people are reading to much into the £22-27mill statement. this would have been budgeted for previously and most likely wont be a drain on next seasons transfer fund. NC did transfer deals where a lot of the fee was paid upfront, especially the gaston deal, this outlay didn't affect our ability to spend £30mill+ the following season. most clubs will have this type of debt. our main problem is all of our transfer fees are outgoings as we haven't sold any players, that's whats led to the `difficult situation`. we aren't in huge amounts of debt and despite spending more than was planned on staplewood we are already reaping the rewards. how much would it cost to now go out and by Luke, Lalla, JWP, Chambers etc etc. the academy players in our first team would cost the GDP of a small country, selling any of the big names would be a mistake and we have been told that its not needed. I expect dani to be sold and we will have a kitty of around £20-40mill. I also think we will try to bring in a couple of free agents, kasper the friendly keeper is said to be on our radar for free.

I could of course be completely wrong and MP wont be given the kitty he wants unless top players are sold.
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Les please get on with the important job in hand and get the manager signed and tell our young stars that we are going to sign more good players to push for a Champions league place next season. That is what MoPo, Adam, Luke, Morgan etc are waiting to hear. Get them all to commit to one more season, if we don't push on then look at it again next year. Please tell Ralph and the new board that they need to make an impact now, they may not realise it, but we may never be in as good a position to push on. I am sure that Katharina has not appointed you all to settle for mid-table so please get on with it. Sign four top players quickly to add to this squad would do it, but do so now before the World Cup starts to settle everyone down. Good if the additions are home grown, youngish and experienced. Go for Steven Caulker and pacy forwards for starters.[/p][/quote]With Respect , that I'm sure is exactly what Les is doing ! I met Mr Kruger outside the ground before The Cardiff game and I'm sure he does realise it ! Whether the money will be their to realise all our ambitions bearing in mind the £27m hole NC left , I hope so !!!!![/p][/quote]I hope so too Buddy !! Just feel we need to keep the pressure on them. As for the £27m hole we apparently have to pay £22m this season and the rest next. But does anyone know if this includes all of Osvaldo's fee. If we could off load him and some fringe players it could reduce to about £10m for this season which is not bad considering £80m+ that is supposed to be coming in if the recent reports are correct. Keep our young squad and spend two thirds of that on four good players by deferring a bit to the following season and Katharina does not need to put any more cash in. We must be able to use Osvaldo as a makeweight for a good player we do want from Italy. The rest could be English like Steven Caulker (need to move quick for him before Liverpool or Manure do) then what about Danny Welbeck ?[/p][/quote]I'm pretty sure Lou is well aware of this. At least half the squad has come out and told the board exactly what they (and we) want to happen so all we can do is watch and wait. I reckon we'll be fine.[/p][/quote]I think people are reading to much into the £22-27mill statement. this would have been budgeted for previously and most likely wont be a drain on next seasons transfer fund. NC did transfer deals where a lot of the fee was paid upfront, especially the gaston deal, this outlay didn't affect our ability to spend £30mill+ the following season. most clubs will have this type of debt. our main problem is all of our transfer fees are outgoings as we haven't sold any players, that's whats led to the `difficult situation`. we aren't in huge amounts of debt and despite spending more than was planned on staplewood we are already reaping the rewards. how much would it cost to now go out and by Luke, Lalla, JWP, Chambers etc etc. the academy players in our first team would cost the GDP of a small country, selling any of the big names would be a mistake and we have been told that its not needed. I expect dani to be sold and we will have a kitty of around £20-40mill. I also think we will try to bring in a couple of free agents, kasper the friendly keeper is said to be on our radar for free. I could of course be completely wrong and MP wont be given the kitty he wants unless top players are sold. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 3

10:49pm Thu 8 May 14

southamptonadi says...

Just widens the gap between league football and grass roots.

What are the rules on one club owning two teams in the same league.

Who gets to decide which ten PL clubs are in it and which Ten are not allowed to play.
Just widens the gap between league football and grass roots. What are the rules on one club owning two teams in the same league. Who gets to decide which ten PL clubs are in it and which Ten are not allowed to play. southamptonadi
  • Score: 2

12:02am Fri 9 May 14

Santa Retfordia says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote: Les please get on with the important job in hand and get the manager signed and tell our young stars that we are going to sign more good players to push for a Champions league place next season. That is what MoPo, Adam, Luke, Morgan etc are waiting to hear. Get them all to commit to one more season, if we don't push on then look at it again next year. Please tell Ralph and the new board that they need to make an impact now, they may not realise it, but we may never be in as good a position to push on. I am sure that Katharina has not appointed you all to settle for mid-table so please get on with it. Sign four top players quickly to add to this squad would do it, but do so now before the World Cup starts to settle everyone down. Good if the additions are home grown, youngish and experienced. Go for Steven Caulker and pacy forwards for starters.
With Respect , that I'm sure is exactly what Les is doing ! I met Mr Kruger outside the ground before The Cardiff game and I'm sure he does realise it ! Whether the money will be their to realise all our ambitions bearing in mind the £27m hole NC left , I hope so !!!!!
I hope so too Buddy !! Just feel we need to keep the pressure on them. As for the £27m hole we apparently have to pay £22m this season and the rest next. But does anyone know if this includes all of Osvaldo's fee. If we could off load him and some fringe players it could reduce to about £10m for this season which is not bad considering £80m+ that is supposed to be coming in if the recent reports are correct. Keep our young squad and spend two thirds of that on four good players by deferring a bit to the following season and Katharina does not need to put any more cash in. We must be able to use Osvaldo as a makeweight for a good player we do want from Italy. The rest could be English like Steven Caulker (need to move quick for him before Liverpool or Manure do) then what about Danny Welbeck ?
I'm pretty sure Lou is well aware of this. At least half the squad has come out and told the board exactly what they (and we) want to happen so all we can do is watch and wait. I reckon we'll be fine.
I think people are reading to much into the £22-27mill statement. this would have been budgeted for previously and most likely wont be a drain on next seasons transfer fund. NC did transfer deals where a lot of the fee was paid upfront, especially the gaston deal, this outlay didn't affect our ability to spend £30mill+ the following season. most clubs will have this type of debt. our main problem is all of our transfer fees are outgoings as we haven't sold any players, that's whats led to the `difficult situation`. we aren't in huge amounts of debt and despite spending more than was planned on staplewood we are already reaping the rewards. how much would it cost to now go out and by Luke, Lalla, JWP, Chambers etc etc. the academy players in our first team would cost the GDP of a small country, selling any of the big names would be a mistake and we have been told that its not needed. I expect dani to be sold and we will have a kitty of around £20-40mill. I also think we will try to bring in a couple of free agents, kasper the friendly keeper is said to be on our radar for free. I could of course be completely wrong and MP wont be given the kitty he wants unless top players are sold.
Precisely. This financial 'windfall' won't be like some amazing bonus they've found down the back of the sofa: it will have been in the budget all along and our shortfall comes in spite of it. Running a football club isn't cheap and our current players aren't playing for free.

That said, my hunch is that warnings about a shortfall were more to dispel hopes of us blowing hundreds of millions in the summer rather than preparing us for a fire sale. I have a lot of trust in the new board and will do until they actually do something to prove that trust unfounded. They certainly haven't yet.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Les please get on with the important job in hand and get the manager signed and tell our young stars that we are going to sign more good players to push for a Champions league place next season. That is what MoPo, Adam, Luke, Morgan etc are waiting to hear. Get them all to commit to one more season, if we don't push on then look at it again next year. Please tell Ralph and the new board that they need to make an impact now, they may not realise it, but we may never be in as good a position to push on. I am sure that Katharina has not appointed you all to settle for mid-table so please get on with it. Sign four top players quickly to add to this squad would do it, but do so now before the World Cup starts to settle everyone down. Good if the additions are home grown, youngish and experienced. Go for Steven Caulker and pacy forwards for starters.[/p][/quote]With Respect , that I'm sure is exactly what Les is doing ! I met Mr Kruger outside the ground before The Cardiff game and I'm sure he does realise it ! Whether the money will be their to realise all our ambitions bearing in mind the £27m hole NC left , I hope so !!!!![/p][/quote]I hope so too Buddy !! Just feel we need to keep the pressure on them. As for the £27m hole we apparently have to pay £22m this season and the rest next. But does anyone know if this includes all of Osvaldo's fee. If we could off load him and some fringe players it could reduce to about £10m for this season which is not bad considering £80m+ that is supposed to be coming in if the recent reports are correct. Keep our young squad and spend two thirds of that on four good players by deferring a bit to the following season and Katharina does not need to put any more cash in. We must be able to use Osvaldo as a makeweight for a good player we do want from Italy. The rest could be English like Steven Caulker (need to move quick for him before Liverpool or Manure do) then what about Danny Welbeck ?[/p][/quote]I'm pretty sure Lou is well aware of this. At least half the squad has come out and told the board exactly what they (and we) want to happen so all we can do is watch and wait. I reckon we'll be fine.[/p][/quote]I think people are reading to much into the £22-27mill statement. this would have been budgeted for previously and most likely wont be a drain on next seasons transfer fund. NC did transfer deals where a lot of the fee was paid upfront, especially the gaston deal, this outlay didn't affect our ability to spend £30mill+ the following season. most clubs will have this type of debt. our main problem is all of our transfer fees are outgoings as we haven't sold any players, that's whats led to the `difficult situation`. we aren't in huge amounts of debt and despite spending more than was planned on staplewood we are already reaping the rewards. how much would it cost to now go out and by Luke, Lalla, JWP, Chambers etc etc. the academy players in our first team would cost the GDP of a small country, selling any of the big names would be a mistake and we have been told that its not needed. I expect dani to be sold and we will have a kitty of around £20-40mill. I also think we will try to bring in a couple of free agents, kasper the friendly keeper is said to be on our radar for free. I could of course be completely wrong and MP wont be given the kitty he wants unless top players are sold.[/p][/quote]Precisely. This financial 'windfall' won't be like some amazing bonus they've found down the back of the sofa: it will have been in the budget all along and our shortfall comes in spite of it. Running a football club isn't cheap and our current players aren't playing for free. That said, my hunch is that warnings about a shortfall were more to dispel hopes of us blowing hundreds of millions in the summer rather than preparing us for a fire sale. I have a lot of trust in the new board and will do until they actually do something to prove that trust unfounded. They certainly haven't yet. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 1

12:05am Fri 9 May 14

Santa Retfordia says...

Oh, and can I just say that if that dude on the back row of Question Time who handed Nigel Forage his arse on a plate is reading this then you, sir, are my new hero. Amazing bottle.
Oh, and can I just say that if that dude on the back row of Question Time who handed Nigel Forage his arse on a plate is reading this then you, sir, are my new hero. Amazing bottle. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: -3

1:01am Fri 9 May 14

singapore saint84 says...

Hahaha....there you go...even our under 21s and 18s are better tjan pompey's senior squad!!! Burn!!!
Hahaha....there you go...even our under 21s and 18s are better tjan pompey's senior squad!!! Burn!!! singapore saint84
  • Score: 2

1:20am Fri 9 May 14

andoru says...

I see on the BBC they've got Pompey Chief-Exec on the 'against' team as well.

"Portsmouth chief executive Mark Catlin: The wealth and riches of Premier League clubs will mean that money will be put into their B teams and in no time you will find the current League One populated by only B teams. It will destroy the whole fabric of the league structure."

It's understandable how he feels. Pompey would stand no chance.
I see on the BBC they've got Pompey Chief-Exec on the 'against' team as well. "Portsmouth chief executive Mark Catlin: The wealth and riches of Premier League clubs will mean that money will be put into their B teams and in no time you will find the current League One populated by only B teams. It will destroy the whole fabric of the league structure." It's understandable how he feels. Pompey would stand no chance. andoru
  • Score: 0

2:35am Fri 9 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
Oh, and can I just say that if that dude on the back row of Question Time who handed Nigel Forage his arse on a plate is reading this then you, sir, are my new hero. Amazing bottle.
Stret, we may have similar views on the great game, and I do enjoy reading your posts but we differ wildly in the field of politics. I`m not a UKIP fan but I enjoy listening to farage and if the mainstream political parties and media look ke they are `bullying` UKIP the general public may stand up for the little guy and that is very dangerous. the guy on QT was perfectly entitled to his view but he went too far. I`m no a fan of Europe and would like a say on whether our country stays or not, at the moment UKIP are the only party that offers that!

anyway enough about politics because its th quickest way to an argument I know.

back to the greatest game on earth, I think your right. the board have so far done and said all the right things and as such they have my support. the `difficult financial situation` statement was made, like you say, to stop fans from thinking that £50mill+ would be spent in the summer. money will be spent but probably around the same levels that we have done in the previous 2 summer windows, time will tell though. lets hope we are right about the board and they are able and willing to take us to the next step, these opportunities don't come round that often and they have to be grasped. everton will struggle next season, eufa cup to deal with and I doubt they will have lukaku to help them. spuds and manure are going to be in transition again so if we can keep the manager and players together with a couple of quality additions and we might be able to catch and overtake those teams.
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Oh, and can I just say that if that dude on the back row of Question Time who handed Nigel Forage his arse on a plate is reading this then you, sir, are my new hero. Amazing bottle.[/p][/quote]Stret, we may have similar views on the great game, and I do enjoy reading your posts but we differ wildly in the field of politics. I`m not a UKIP fan but I enjoy listening to farage and if the mainstream political parties and media look ke they are `bullying` UKIP the general public may stand up for the little guy and that is very dangerous. the guy on QT was perfectly entitled to his view but he went too far. I`m no a fan of Europe and would like a say on whether our country stays or not, at the moment UKIP are the only party that offers that! anyway enough about politics because its th quickest way to an argument I know. back to the greatest game on earth, I think your right. the board have so far done and said all the right things and as such they have my support. the `difficult financial situation` statement was made, like you say, to stop fans from thinking that £50mill+ would be spent in the summer. money will be spent but probably around the same levels that we have done in the previous 2 summer windows, time will tell though. lets hope we are right about the board and they are able and willing to take us to the next step, these opportunities don't come round that often and they have to be grasped. everton will struggle next season, eufa cup to deal with and I doubt they will have lukaku to help them. spuds and manure are going to be in transition again so if we can keep the manager and players together with a couple of quality additions and we might be able to catch and overtake those teams. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 1

7:05am Fri 9 May 14

Blackknight says...

There is a clear dichotomy here.

Greg Dyke wants what's best for the England national team, whereas mega-rich premier team owners want what's best for their teams. And that simply means a continued influx a foreign players.

Eu issues aside, Imagine a premier league that had not witnessed the likes of Zola, Cantona, Berkamp, Ronaldo, Henry and Suarez.
There is a clear dichotomy here. Greg Dyke wants what's best for the England national team, whereas mega-rich premier team owners want what's best for their teams. And that simply means a continued influx a foreign players. Eu issues aside, Imagine a premier league that had not witnessed the likes of Zola, Cantona, Berkamp, Ronaldo, Henry and Suarez. Blackknight
  • Score: 0

9:45am Fri 9 May 14

jls217 says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
Les please get on with the important job in hand and get the manager signed and tell our young stars that we are going to sign more good players to push for a Champions league place next season. That is what MoPo, Adam, Luke, Morgan etc are waiting to hear. Get them all to commit to one more season, if we don't push on then look at it again next year.
Please tell Ralph and the new board that they need to make an impact now, they may not realise it, but we may never be in as good a position to push on. I am sure that Katharina has not appointed you all to settle for mid-table so please get on with it.
Sign four top players quickly to add to this squad would do it, but do so now before the World Cup starts to settle everyone down. Good if the additions are home grown, youngish and experienced. Go for Steven Caulker and pacy forwards for starters.
One of the many reasons Les is where he is and what he is, is because he can juggle more than one ball at a time. No doubt that Les can do all of the above, put an argument to the FA , do a TV show, hold a press conference, meet with Katarina, sit on a board meeting, a cuppa with the groundsman, visit the trg ground, walk around the physio area, chat with the injured, make sure the kit man hasn't been at the gin, have a pub lunch, book his car in for an MOT and still have time to unwrap a mars bar. And all of that in the space of time most would call working day achieving one tenth of that. He's turning into a bit of an unsung hero in my mind. No doubt many of you may disagree.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Les please get on with the important job in hand and get the manager signed and tell our young stars that we are going to sign more good players to push for a Champions league place next season. That is what MoPo, Adam, Luke, Morgan etc are waiting to hear. Get them all to commit to one more season, if we don't push on then look at it again next year. Please tell Ralph and the new board that they need to make an impact now, they may not realise it, but we may never be in as good a position to push on. I am sure that Katharina has not appointed you all to settle for mid-table so please get on with it. Sign four top players quickly to add to this squad would do it, but do so now before the World Cup starts to settle everyone down. Good if the additions are home grown, youngish and experienced. Go for Steven Caulker and pacy forwards for starters.[/p][/quote]One of the many reasons Les is where he is and what he is, is because he can juggle more than one ball at a time. No doubt that Les can do all of the above, put an argument to the FA , do a TV show, hold a press conference, meet with Katarina, sit on a board meeting, a cuppa with the groundsman, visit the trg ground, walk around the physio area, chat with the injured, make sure the kit man hasn't been at the gin, have a pub lunch, book his car in for an MOT and still have time to unwrap a mars bar. And all of that in the space of time most would call working day achieving one tenth of that. He's turning into a bit of an unsung hero in my mind. No doubt many of you may disagree. jls217
  • Score: 2

10:27am Fri 9 May 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

I'm going to play devils advocate here. The Saints model is by far the best for us and should be followed by many other teams but if they want to allow Premiership teams to form a 'B' side starting off in this league 3 then why not let them. As long as it isn't compulsory and means that new 'B' teams can be formed or disbanded depending on relegation or promotion.

The fact that Germany, Spain and Italy allows the top teams to have 'B' sides in the lower leagues might give it some credence.

I still think the Southampton Way is the best but let everyone else do something different because I want Southampton to be the best and show everyone the way!

The problem in this country is the culture says that for players to improve they have to be playing first team football in whatever division they are. The fact is this isn't correct using the Southampton Way. Training day in day out with the first team if good enough and providing a pathway into the first team works a lot better. The players respond in kind by working harder on their game.
I'm going to play devils advocate here. The Saints model is by far the best for us and should be followed by many other teams but if they want to allow Premiership teams to form a 'B' side starting off in this league 3 then why not let them. As long as it isn't compulsory and means that new 'B' teams can be formed or disbanded depending on relegation or promotion. The fact that Germany, Spain and Italy allows the top teams to have 'B' sides in the lower leagues might give it some credence. I still think the Southampton Way is the best but let everyone else do something different because I want Southampton to be the best and show everyone the way! The problem in this country is the culture says that for players to improve they have to be playing first team football in whatever division they are. The fact is this isn't correct using the Southampton Way. Training day in day out with the first team if good enough and providing a pathway into the first team works a lot better. The players respond in kind by working harder on their game. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: -1

10:46am Fri 9 May 14

boilerman says...

I agree with not allowing non EU players in the lower leagues.
When the influx of foreign players started those British players on the fringe of the top flight dropped down a division, but now even league Two has non EU players.
We either want to support the national side or we don't.
Just look at Wenger during the season he always complains of players having to play internationals and asks that his players be rested, yet for the last two weeks he has kept saying that Wilshire will be fit for the World cup, the guy wants it both ways as do all the top teams.
When a club like Saints develop young players look what happens the big boys jump in and steal them. even today Wenger has put a valuation of 15million on Morgan, when I last looked wasn't Morgan still a Saints player?
I agree with not allowing non EU players in the lower leagues. When the influx of foreign players started those British players on the fringe of the top flight dropped down a division, but now even league Two has non EU players. We either want to support the national side or we don't. Just look at Wenger during the season he always complains of players having to play internationals and asks that his players be rested, yet for the last two weeks he has kept saying that Wilshire will be fit for the World cup, the guy wants it both ways as do all the top teams. When a club like Saints develop young players look what happens the big boys jump in and steal them. even today Wenger has put a valuation of 15million on Morgan, when I last looked wasn't Morgan still a Saints player? boilerman
  • Score: 1

2:26pm Fri 9 May 14

LeGod says...

Yet again it all about the premier league and sod the rest of the leagues.
As a supporter of a League 1 side we had several players on loan from Spurs this season and the reason why they came to us was that Spurs knew the way we played which is on the floor from the back and work the ball up the pitch and our style of play fitted in with how they wanted there players to learn the game most of them were 19 or 20 and we also took Jack Stephens from you for a couple of months at the end of the season and he was superb so cool on the ball and great distribution and is going to be a top defender if he improves from what I saw and all our fans agreed as we would love to have him back next season if not for all the season then maybe part of it.
I don't see the logic of what this idiot Dyke has proposed because all premier league teams need to do is put their young players out to lower league sides to help them develop and progress perhaps initially in L1&2 and when they are ready move them into the championship and then the premier side when they are ready.
If they are put into the right clubs who play football the right way and not kick and hoof football that you get with some of them I see that as a better alternative than this idiot Dyke is suggesting.
I listened to him on Talk Sport yesterday and he mentioned Barcelona B side are 16th in the league when in fact they are 3rd and in fact some of the questions put to him he couldn't answer as he didn't have a clue and it just seems to me all the big premier league sides are the ones pulling the strings as they run the league anyway and the rest of us have to follow what they want.
The current under 21 league is not good and competitive enough and loaning young players out is their way to develop and improve not introduce another league plus where are the fans going to come from as all lower league sides are struggling for attendances now.
One player we had on loan from Spurs was nominated for player of the season for L1 which is how well he has progressed and several championship sides are looking at taking him on loan next season and in fact he was in the spurs first team squad last week for the west ham game otherwise without the development he had with us that would never have happened.
These people on the FA the likes of Rio Ferdinand- Danny Mills and Dyke who came up with this idea are seriously so way off the mark if they think this will improve the England side. I think this is a way of Dyke trying to make a name for himself so when he goes which is hope is not too far away he can say that was his legacy. Well to me his legacy at the moment is he talks absolute c***.
Anyway thanks for letting us loan Jack Stephens and if we are lucky to get him back next season he will progress even further with us then hopefully eventually he will be in your first team.
Yet again it all about the premier league and sod the rest of the leagues. As a supporter of a League 1 side we had several players on loan from Spurs this season and the reason why they came to us was that Spurs knew the way we played which is on the floor from the back and work the ball up the pitch and our style of play fitted in with how they wanted there players to learn the game most of them were 19 or 20 and we also took Jack Stephens from you for a couple of months at the end of the season and he was superb so cool on the ball and great distribution and is going to be a top defender if he improves from what I saw and all our fans agreed as we would love to have him back next season if not for all the season then maybe part of it. I don't see the logic of what this idiot Dyke has proposed because all premier league teams need to do is put their young players out to lower league sides to help them develop and progress perhaps initially in L1&2 and when they are ready move them into the championship and then the premier side when they are ready. If they are put into the right clubs who play football the right way and not kick and hoof football that you get with some of them I see that as a better alternative than this idiot Dyke is suggesting. I listened to him on Talk Sport yesterday and he mentioned Barcelona B side are 16th in the league when in fact they are 3rd and in fact some of the questions put to him he couldn't answer as he didn't have a clue and it just seems to me all the big premier league sides are the ones pulling the strings as they run the league anyway and the rest of us have to follow what they want. The current under 21 league is not good and competitive enough and loaning young players out is their way to develop and improve not introduce another league plus where are the fans going to come from as all lower league sides are struggling for attendances now. One player we had on loan from Spurs was nominated for player of the season for L1 which is how well he has progressed and several championship sides are looking at taking him on loan next season and in fact he was in the spurs first team squad last week for the west ham game otherwise without the development he had with us that would never have happened. These people on the FA the likes of Rio Ferdinand- Danny Mills and Dyke who came up with this idea are seriously so way off the mark if they think this will improve the England side. I think this is a way of Dyke trying to make a name for himself so when he goes which is hope is not too far away he can say that was his legacy. Well to me his legacy at the moment is he talks absolute c***. Anyway thanks for letting us loan Jack Stephens and if we are lucky to get him back next season he will progress even further with us then hopefully eventually he will be in your first team. LeGod
  • Score: 2

5:22pm Fri 9 May 14

southamptonadi says...

Imagine a club falling from grace, like we did so spectacular. You could end up with a clubs kids an dab team higher up the football ladder than the A team.

We should join in might be able to get some derbies with Pompey.
Imagine a club falling from grace, like we did so spectacular. You could end up with a clubs kids an dab team higher up the football ladder than the A team. We should join in might be able to get some derbies with Pompey. southamptonadi
  • Score: -1

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