Southampton FC offer Mauricio Pochettino a new deal

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Saints have tabled a contract offer to Mauricio Pochettino in a bid to prevent him leaving the club this summer.

Pochettino is a prime candidate for the Tottenham job and has continually said he wishes to put off talks over his future until the end of the season.

Behind the scenes, though,discussions are believed to have taken place already and the Daily Echo understands that Saints have indeed offered what they believe to be a very generous new deal.

There has been an increasing sense of unease at St Mary’s in recent weeks about whether Pochettino will stay, with the manager having just one year left on his current contract and Spurs said to be circling for him.

Pochettino himself has confirmed that he intends to hold talks with the club’s board today.

Up for discussion will be the future direction of the club and funding for new signings, the verdict on which could have a major impact on the futures of several star players who are linked with moves elsewhere, as well as the manager himself.

Pochettino said: “We are going to sit down on Monday and we are going to talk.

“This is basically the end of a five season project that started with Markus Liebherr buying this football club and appointing Nicola Cortese as the chairman.

“This five year project is now coming to an end and we achieved what we wanted in this five year project to take the club from League One to the Premier League.

“Now a new project has to start.”

When it was put to him that what he said may suggest he was off, he replied: “I haven’t said that. I said that this club now deserves to begin a new project.

“This club deserves to begin a new project and the club has to decide how that happens and whether that’s a two, three, four or five year project.

“It’s always the case that that happens.

“That’s all I’ve said.”

Pochettino was asked what he would like to hear from the club’s board and said: “I just hope we can sit down to talk and let’s see what happens.”

It’s been a great season for Saints who set their highest top flight points total for 29 years thanks to the draw with United.

“I think as a manager the thing that makes me the most proud is the way we have played throughout the entire season, the way we have achieved the eighth place that we have achieved this season,” reflected Pochettino.

“Also to make the players participate in a football philosophy and that as a manager makes me very proud.”

Inevitably talk is of the future and the Saints boss confirmed: “I want to just say that I still have one more year on my contract left and it’s only normal that these rumours are going to start cropping up.

“It’s only normal that these rumours are going to start happening with myself and players.

“We know the exact rules and how everything works in the country but I just want to say that I have one more year left on my contract.”

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8:10am Mon 12 May 14

Rudolf Hucker says...

Sign on the dotted line Mopo and lets get this bus rolling into Europe next season. We can get rid of the dead wood, keep our best players and still bring in some quality players. SFC on tour.
Sign on the dotted line Mopo and lets get this bus rolling into Europe next season. We can get rid of the dead wood, keep our best players and still bring in some quality players. SFC on tour. Rudolf Hucker
  • Score: 74

8:10am Mon 12 May 14

Norwegian Saint says...

Everybody stays.... everybody wins!
Everybody stays.... everybody wins! Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 76

8:11am Mon 12 May 14

Little Hitler says...

Bit vague Echo but hopefully a story with substance!
Bit vague Echo but hopefully a story with substance! Little Hitler
  • Score: 14

8:18am Mon 12 May 14

Outside of the Box says...

I believe it all depends on money, if we sell our best players will he given all of the money for his transfer budget? If don't sell players, how will he be given for his transfer budget?

At Espanyol his best players were sold from under him he continued to be their manager until he had very little left to work with and ultimately got the bullet, I just hope the Board realise his contribution to Club and the players, I hope we keep the players he wants and despatches the one he doesn't.
I believe it all depends on money, if we sell our best players will he given all of the money for his transfer budget? If don't sell players, how will he be given for his transfer budget? At Espanyol his best players were sold from under him he continued to be their manager until he had very little left to work with and ultimately got the bullet, I just hope the Board realise his contribution to Club and the players, I hope we keep the players he wants and despatches the one he doesn't. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 32

8:22am Mon 12 May 14

There's only one 'H' in 'Ampshire says...

Keep Poch, keep Adam and the rest will fall into place
Keep Poch, keep Adam and the rest will fall into place There's only one 'H' in 'Ampshire
  • Score: 59

8:23am Mon 12 May 14

Rob The Saint NOT in NZ says...

Please sign Mo Po & then persuade AL & LS to continue building the new Southampton Way with you.

COYR!
Please sign Mo Po & then persuade AL & LS to continue building the new Southampton Way with you. COYR! Rob The Saint NOT in NZ
  • Score: 42

8:31am Mon 12 May 14

THE12THMAN says...

I hope he signs the new contract, It has been a real pleasure watching saints play this season his style of football has been a revelation, can't see the logic in leaving saints for an average club like spurs.
I hope he signs the new contract, It has been a real pleasure watching saints play this season his style of football has been a revelation, can't see the logic in leaving saints for an average club like spurs. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 49

8:32am Mon 12 May 14

Crossley Place Saint says...

This is what worries me: after a brilliant season, magnificent 8th place, etc etc we have finished 23 points above the relegation places. But look at that league table a bit more closely: we have also finished 23 points behind 4th place. That is a measure of how much further we need to improve to start thinking about qualifying for Europe and the Champions League. It is going to cost a LOT of money to move up to the next level. If Mopo decides to move to a bigger and richer club then you can understand why.

STID (but not looking forward to the summer).
This is what worries me: after a brilliant season, magnificent 8th place, etc etc we have finished 23 points above the relegation places. But look at that league table a bit more closely: we have also finished 23 points behind 4th place. That is a measure of how much further we need to improve to start thinking about qualifying for Europe and the Champions League. It is going to cost a LOT of money to move up to the next level. If Mopo decides to move to a bigger and richer club then you can understand why. STID (but not looking forward to the summer). Crossley Place Saint
  • Score: 12

8:44am Mon 12 May 14

Chipmonk1 says...

Crossley Place Saint wrote:
This is what worries me: after a brilliant season, magnificent 8th place, etc etc we have finished 23 points above the relegation places. But look at that league table a bit more closely: we have also finished 23 points behind 4th place. That is a measure of how much further we need to improve to start thinking about qualifying for Europe and the Champions League. It is going to cost a LOT of money to move up to the next level. If Mopo decides to move to a bigger and richer club then you can understand why.

STID (but not looking forward to the summer).
Honest appraisal of the situation. I don't think any true saints fan wants to see any of the speculated departures come truebut realistically there will be at least one unwanted departure. There is barely a club in world football for whom that is not a reality each summer. Did spurs want to see Bale go? I have been delighted by the performance of our team this season both in terms of results and style of play. I firmly believe that MoPo will most likely stay but IF not a straight swap for Sherwood might be a good fit. Nutty as a fruit cake but he has delivered. Only certainties are that the next couple of months are going to be stressful and we will be cheering on the saints at the opening game of the next season no matter what happens.
[quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: This is what worries me: after a brilliant season, magnificent 8th place, etc etc we have finished 23 points above the relegation places. But look at that league table a bit more closely: we have also finished 23 points behind 4th place. That is a measure of how much further we need to improve to start thinking about qualifying for Europe and the Champions League. It is going to cost a LOT of money to move up to the next level. If Mopo decides to move to a bigger and richer club then you can understand why. STID (but not looking forward to the summer).[/p][/quote]Honest appraisal of the situation. I don't think any true saints fan wants to see any of the speculated departures come truebut realistically there will be at least one unwanted departure. There is barely a club in world football for whom that is not a reality each summer. Did spurs want to see Bale go? I have been delighted by the performance of our team this season both in terms of results and style of play. I firmly believe that MoPo will most likely stay but IF not a straight swap for Sherwood might be a good fit. Nutty as a fruit cake but he has delivered. Only certainties are that the next couple of months are going to be stressful and we will be cheering on the saints at the opening game of the next season no matter what happens. Chipmonk1
  • Score: -11

8:55am Mon 12 May 14

Southseachris says...

I think you can assume the board have a candidate in mind should the manager go.
I think you can assume the board have a candidate in mind should the manager go. Southseachris
  • Score: -17

8:55am Mon 12 May 14

jls217 says...

He's just told us all - he's going nowhere for crying out loud. Read his statement the very last sentence is him saying he has another year to run on his contract. How clear does he have to make it?
It's what happens at the end of next season we need to be concerned about. He just wants to talk about the next five year plan that's all. Now in the drafting of that plan the club can convince him to sign a new contract now to tie him in for those five years - well, great, let's sign him up.
Players will come and players will go - even the richest clubs in Europe experience this - sad but, so what. Scouts out and look for a replacement or three. Hope Adam, Luke and anyone else decides to stay here - they are under contract so ultimately Saints will decide when, where and for how much anyone goes for - not the player or his agent. Next season will be even better than this one.
He's just told us all - he's going nowhere for crying out loud. Read his statement the very last sentence is him saying he has another year to run on his contract. How clear does he have to make it? It's what happens at the end of next season we need to be concerned about. He just wants to talk about the next five year plan that's all. Now in the drafting of that plan the club can convince him to sign a new contract now to tie him in for those five years - well, great, let's sign him up. Players will come and players will go - even the richest clubs in Europe experience this - sad but, so what. Scouts out and look for a replacement or three. Hope Adam, Luke and anyone else decides to stay here - they are under contract so ultimately Saints will decide when, where and for how much anyone goes for - not the player or his agent. Next season will be even better than this one. jls217
  • Score: 25

9:03am Mon 12 May 14

bigfella777 says...

I cant understand why anyone would want to go to Spurs, awful board of directors and too keen to sack.
I cant understand why anyone would want to go to Spurs, awful board of directors and too keen to sack. bigfella777
  • Score: 51

9:03am Mon 12 May 14

Costa Baz says...

Whether MP signs a new deal, or just sees out his last year, we all have to remember, what Les Reed said, when he first spoke to the media.

No player comes into the club, or leaves, without MP having the final say.
Whether MP signs a new deal, or just sees out his last year, we all have to remember, what Les Reed said, when he first spoke to the media. No player comes into the club, or leaves, without MP having the final say. Costa Baz
  • Score: 16

9:03am Mon 12 May 14

bigfella777 says...

Southseachris wrote:
I think you can assume the board have a candidate in mind should the manager go.
David Moyes
[quote][p][bold]Southseachris[/bold] wrote: I think you can assume the board have a candidate in mind should the manager go.[/p][/quote]David Moyes bigfella777
  • Score: -48

9:24am Mon 12 May 14

Clever Dick says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
I believe it all depends on money, if we sell our best players will he given all of the money for his transfer budget? If don't sell players, how will he be given for his transfer budget?

At Espanyol his best players were sold from under him he continued to be their manager until he had very little left to work with and ultimately got the bullet, I just hope the Board realise his contribution to Club and the players, I hope we keep the players he wants and despatches the one he doesn't.
Espanyol were in dire financial straights and had to sell We have been told on numerous occasons that we don't need to sell anybody the manager wants to keep.
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: I believe it all depends on money, if we sell our best players will he given all of the money for his transfer budget? If don't sell players, how will he be given for his transfer budget? At Espanyol his best players were sold from under him he continued to be their manager until he had very little left to work with and ultimately got the bullet, I just hope the Board realise his contribution to Club and the players, I hope we keep the players he wants and despatches the one he doesn't.[/p][/quote]Espanyol were in dire financial straights and had to sell We have been told on numerous occasons that we don't need to sell anybody the manager wants to keep. Clever Dick
  • Score: 7

9:27am Mon 12 May 14

Costa Baz says...

Crossley Place Saint wrote:
This is what worries me: after a brilliant season, magnificent 8th place, etc etc we have finished 23 points above the relegation places. But look at that league table a bit more closely: we have also finished 23 points behind 4th place. That is a measure of how much further we need to improve to start thinking about qualifying for Europe and the Champions League. It is going to cost a LOT of money to move up to the next level. If Mopo decides to move to a bigger and richer club then you can understand why. STID (but not looking forward to the summer).
I can see what you are saying, but when you look back over the season, we are maybe 2 or 3 players short of pushing on.
We have controlled most of the games, without having that killer touch, in front of goal, despite having 3 England internationals, leading the attack.
IMO, it is the lack of goals from the support players, that has seen us fall behind the top group, more than anything else, and that has come as a result of having no depth on the bench.

If money is tight, and we are taking the cheap options, there are experienced Premier League players, that shouldn't cost an excessive amount, that could be looked at.
Borini, on loan at Sunderland.
Moses, on loan at Liverpool.
Agbonlahor, at Villa.
Rodallega at Fulham.

Not everyone's ideal players, but all have history of scoring goals in the top flight, and would provide the experience we lack, from the bench. Of that group Borini would be my top choice, Agbonlahor to provide competition for JRod.
[quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: This is what worries me: after a brilliant season, magnificent 8th place, etc etc we have finished 23 points above the relegation places. But look at that league table a bit more closely: we have also finished 23 points behind 4th place. That is a measure of how much further we need to improve to start thinking about qualifying for Europe and the Champions League. It is going to cost a LOT of money to move up to the next level. If Mopo decides to move to a bigger and richer club then you can understand why. STID (but not looking forward to the summer).[/p][/quote]I can see what you are saying, but when you look back over the season, we are maybe 2 or 3 players short of pushing on. We have controlled most of the games, without having that killer touch, in front of goal, despite having 3 England internationals, leading the attack. IMO, it is the lack of goals from the support players, that has seen us fall behind the top group, more than anything else, and that has come as a result of having no depth on the bench. If money is tight, and we are taking the cheap options, there are experienced Premier League players, that shouldn't cost an excessive amount, that could be looked at. Borini, on loan at Sunderland. Moses, on loan at Liverpool. Agbonlahor, at Villa. Rodallega at Fulham. Not everyone's ideal players, but all have history of scoring goals in the top flight, and would provide the experience we lack, from the bench. Of that group Borini would be my top choice, Agbonlahor to provide competition for JRod. Costa Baz
  • Score: 6

9:30am Mon 12 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Well that was quick work, I just hope the negotiations can be done as quickly.
MP's stock has shot through the roof in the year and a half hes been here, and as he seems to be a decent and honest guy lets hope he will repay the faith we had in him when we appointed him.
The board need to do everything they can to match MP's demands, but they must not break the bank to do so.
Cant wait until 2PM for the England squad to be announced, have a feeling that clyne might be in the 30!
Well that was quick work, I just hope the negotiations can be done as quickly. MP's stock has shot through the roof in the year and a half hes been here, and as he seems to be a decent and honest guy lets hope he will repay the faith we had in him when we appointed him. The board need to do everything they can to match MP's demands, but they must not break the bank to do so. Cant wait until 2PM for the England squad to be announced, have a feeling that clyne might be in the 30! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 8

9:34am Mon 12 May 14

costa gaz says...

The fee has been agreed for Shaw, Lallana will be tempted by the lure of Champions league football plus a chance to treble his money.

If a deal can be struck for Osvaldo there could be a war chest of over £50m, that could swing it for Saints.

However if it fails it could open the floodgates for this current team to break up with a new manager given the task of a complete rebuild, not a very nice senario, but, unfortunately, this is football where the big boys cherry pick whatever they want.

Hopefully deals will be completed quickly giving us a chance to start pre-season with a squad in place.
The fee has been agreed for Shaw, Lallana will be tempted by the lure of Champions league football plus a chance to treble his money. If a deal can be struck for Osvaldo there could be a war chest of over £50m, that could swing it for Saints. However if it fails it could open the floodgates for this current team to break up with a new manager given the task of a complete rebuild, not a very nice senario, but, unfortunately, this is football where the big boys cherry pick whatever they want. Hopefully deals will be completed quickly giving us a chance to start pre-season with a squad in place. costa gaz
  • Score: -22

9:36am Mon 12 May 14

miltonarcher says...

Poch has to stay, we have to keep all of our players, including Shaw and Lallana. If we accept the bid from MU for Luke, it will signal that we are still a selling club, that we do not have the ambition to progress, that nothing has really changed from the past when we sold Bale, Wallcott, Chamberlain and the rest. The club can afford to give it another season before selling any player, to see if we can make that step up to the top four. Come on Saints, season 14/15, LETS GO FOR IT!
Poch has to stay, we have to keep all of our players, including Shaw and Lallana. If we accept the bid from MU for Luke, it will signal that we are still a selling club, that we do not have the ambition to progress, that nothing has really changed from the past when we sold Bale, Wallcott, Chamberlain and the rest. The club can afford to give it another season before selling any player, to see if we can make that step up to the top four. Come on Saints, season 14/15, LETS GO FOR IT! miltonarcher
  • Score: 12

9:36am Mon 12 May 14

Blackknight says...

Lets hope there is loads of money for MoPo to stay, and loads of money for MoPo to spend.
Lets hope there is loads of money for MoPo to stay, and loads of money for MoPo to spend. Blackknight
  • Score: 5

9:38am Mon 12 May 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

Fair play to MP he doesn't want to sign a new contract and then find out the board are just happy for Saints to stay up next season and sell a few players and only then new players can come in. That doesn't excite this manager and it won't excite the players.

What we need is an ambitious plan for the next 2 years to be in the Champions league with a ground expansion and the next 5 to have half the 1st team made up of Academy players and be competing for the title.

It is testament to how well Saints are playing that before we would have to sell our Academy players because they wanted to play in the Premier league now the talk is we have to sell them because they want to play in the Champions league. We have to therefore, strive for the top.
Fair play to MP he doesn't want to sign a new contract and then find out the board are just happy for Saints to stay up next season and sell a few players and only then new players can come in. That doesn't excite this manager and it won't excite the players. What we need is an ambitious plan for the next 2 years to be in the Champions league with a ground expansion and the next 5 to have half the 1st team made up of Academy players and be competing for the title. It is testament to how well Saints are playing that before we would have to sell our Academy players because they wanted to play in the Premier league now the talk is we have to sell them because they want to play in the Champions league. We have to therefore, strive for the top. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 7

9:43am Mon 12 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Sounds like he is saying to the board "Give me the green light,and I will deliver the dream"
Still,if he does sign,it will shove it right up the stirring media.
Sounds like he is saying to the board "Give me the green light,and I will deliver the dream" Still,if he does sign,it will shove it right up the stirring media. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 20

10:04am Mon 12 May 14

Santa Retfordia says...

What's going on? I thought we were all going to sit down in the summer and talk about this? I've ordered two of those 'zero gravity' chairs off of the internet and everything. It could have been lovely - I was going to dust down the barbie and make a big jug of mojitos and we could have just chilled out and put the world to rights.

But look at the weather - it's cold and rainy and shiite.

The board have cocked this up BIG TIME.

(I suppose we'll all have to make do with a new five-year contract for MoPo and the stated aim of taking us to the Champions League.)
What's going on? I thought we were all going to sit down in the summer and talk about this? I've ordered two of those 'zero gravity' chairs off of the internet and everything. It could have been lovely - I was going to dust down the barbie and make a big jug of mojitos and we could have just chilled out and put the world to rights. But look at the weather - it's cold and rainy and shiite. The board have cocked this up BIG TIME. (I suppose we'll all have to make do with a new five-year contract for MoPo and the stated aim of taking us to the Champions League.) Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 7

10:14am Mon 12 May 14

richard903 says...

I dont think a big pay rise was in Potty Chino's thoughts. He seems more occupied by the plan for the future. Nicola sold him on saints with markus's 5 year plan. As long as Ralph Les & Katrina have a good plan, he will stay, he will then talk the players into giving him another year at least. If the board have no plan we are in the merde. Moyes would be terrible for us, he has no trust in youth. He never played Zaha, and at Everton would not play Barclay. I hope its all sorted soon I have not slept in the last week.
I dont think a big pay rise was in Potty Chino's thoughts. He seems more occupied by the plan for the future. Nicola sold him on saints with markus's 5 year plan. As long as Ralph Les & Katrina have a good plan, he will stay, he will then talk the players into giving him another year at least. If the board have no plan we are in the merde. Moyes would be terrible for us, he has no trust in youth. He never played Zaha, and at Everton would not play Barclay. I hope its all sorted soon I have not slept in the last week. richard903
  • Score: 5

10:15am Mon 12 May 14

Bwana23 says...

Sell Luke to Chelsea and take Cole and Lukaka in part exchange!! Gives as a good LB and a proficient striker!!
Sell Luke to Chelsea and take Cole and Lukaka in part exchange!! Gives as a good LB and a proficient striker!! Bwana23
  • Score: 7

10:18am Mon 12 May 14

Outside of the Box says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
I believe it all depends on money, if we sell our best players will he given all of the money for his transfer budget? If don't sell players, how will he be given for his transfer budget?

At Espanyol his best players were sold from under him he continued to be their manager until he had very little left to work with and ultimately got the bullet, I just hope the Board realise his contribution to Club and the players, I hope we keep the players he wants and despatches the one he doesn't.
Espanyol were in dire financial straights and had to sell We have been told on numerous occasons that we don't need to sell anybody the manager wants to keep.
That was the point I was making, the fact he stayed despite Espanyol selling every player worth selling, to me it speaks volumes about MoPo's loyalty to a Club, if the Board show him the same loyalty and back his requests then I can see him signing.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: I believe it all depends on money, if we sell our best players will he given all of the money for his transfer budget? If don't sell players, how will he be given for his transfer budget? At Espanyol his best players were sold from under him he continued to be their manager until he had very little left to work with and ultimately got the bullet, I just hope the Board realise his contribution to Club and the players, I hope we keep the players he wants and despatches the one he doesn't.[/p][/quote]Espanyol were in dire financial straights and had to sell We have been told on numerous occasons that we don't need to sell anybody the manager wants to keep.[/p][/quote]That was the point I was making, the fact he stayed despite Espanyol selling every player worth selling, to me it speaks volumes about MoPo's loyalty to a Club, if the Board show him the same loyalty and back his requests then I can see him signing. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 7

10:22am Mon 12 May 14

simmosailor says...

Consider this. 27 million for LS, 15 million for AL, 18million for 8th place.
60 million war chest. That is some hammer to weild in the transfer market, (and that's without dipping into our own coffers!)and which of Saints directors/owner would then not say to MP, we'll give you a contract you want, and a good 5 yr plan to boot. Or am i a saints fan for 60 yrs , a dreamer?
Consider this. 27 million for LS, 15 million for AL, 18million for 8th place. 60 million war chest. That is some hammer to weild in the transfer market, (and that's without dipping into our own coffers!)and which of Saints directors/owner would then not say to MP, we'll give you a contract you want, and a good 5 yr plan to boot. Or am i a saints fan for 60 yrs , a dreamer? simmosailor
  • Score: -8

10:33am Mon 12 May 14

Rising_Son says...

costa gaz wrote:
The fee has been agreed for Shaw, Lallana will be tempted by the lure of Champions league football plus a chance to treble his money.

If a deal can be struck for Osvaldo there could be a war chest of over £50m, that could swing it for Saints.

However if it fails it could open the floodgates for this current team to break up with a new manager given the task of a complete rebuild, not a very nice senario, but, unfortunately, this is football where the big boys cherry pick whatever they want.

Hopefully deals will be completed quickly giving us a chance to start pre-season with a squad in place.
How do you know?
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: The fee has been agreed for Shaw, Lallana will be tempted by the lure of Champions league football plus a chance to treble his money. If a deal can be struck for Osvaldo there could be a war chest of over £50m, that could swing it for Saints. However if it fails it could open the floodgates for this current team to break up with a new manager given the task of a complete rebuild, not a very nice senario, but, unfortunately, this is football where the big boys cherry pick whatever they want. Hopefully deals will be completed quickly giving us a chance to start pre-season with a squad in place.[/p][/quote]How do you know? Rising_Son
  • Score: 8

10:34am Mon 12 May 14

andoru says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
I believe it all depends on money, if we sell our best players will he given all of the money for his transfer budget? If don't sell players, how will he be given for his transfer budget?

At Espanyol his best players were sold from under him he continued to be their manager until he had very little left to work with and ultimately got the bullet, I just hope the Board realise his contribution to Club and the players, I hope we keep the players he wants and despatches the one he doesn't.
Espanyol were in dire financial straights and had to sell We have been told on numerous occasons that we don't need to sell anybody the manager wants to keep.
That was the point I was making, the fact he stayed despite Espanyol selling every player worth selling, to me it speaks volumes about MoPo's loyalty to a Club, if the Board show him the same loyalty and back his requests then I can see him signing.
True, but then at Espanyol he was still a relative unknown with less bargaining power than he has now. If he left Saints, he'd find another job.
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: I believe it all depends on money, if we sell our best players will he given all of the money for his transfer budget? If don't sell players, how will he be given for his transfer budget? At Espanyol his best players were sold from under him he continued to be their manager until he had very little left to work with and ultimately got the bullet, I just hope the Board realise his contribution to Club and the players, I hope we keep the players he wants and despatches the one he doesn't.[/p][/quote]Espanyol were in dire financial straights and had to sell We have been told on numerous occasons that we don't need to sell anybody the manager wants to keep.[/p][/quote]That was the point I was making, the fact he stayed despite Espanyol selling every player worth selling, to me it speaks volumes about MoPo's loyalty to a Club, if the Board show him the same loyalty and back his requests then I can see him signing.[/p][/quote]True, but then at Espanyol he was still a relative unknown with less bargaining power than he has now. If he left Saints, he'd find another job. andoru
  • Score: 3

10:36am Mon 12 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

costa gaz wrote:
The fee has been agreed for Shaw, Lallana will be tempted by the lure of Champions league football plus a chance to treble his money.

If a deal can be struck for Osvaldo there could be a war chest of over £50m, that could swing it for Saints.

However if it fails it could open the floodgates for this current team to break up with a new manager given the task of a complete rebuild, not a very nice senario, but, unfortunately, this is football where the big boys cherry pick whatever they want.

Hopefully deals will be completed quickly giving us a chance to start pre-season with a squad in place.
the fee for shaws agreed? where have you seen that?
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: The fee has been agreed for Shaw, Lallana will be tempted by the lure of Champions league football plus a chance to treble his money. If a deal can be struck for Osvaldo there could be a war chest of over £50m, that could swing it for Saints. However if it fails it could open the floodgates for this current team to break up with a new manager given the task of a complete rebuild, not a very nice senario, but, unfortunately, this is football where the big boys cherry pick whatever they want. Hopefully deals will be completed quickly giving us a chance to start pre-season with a squad in place.[/p][/quote]the fee for shaws agreed? where have you seen that? el caballo santos101
  • Score: 12

11:13am Mon 12 May 14

SaintJD says...

All a bit late in my opinion - we should have forced the issue and got him sat down early before he and our stars became unsettled by concrete interest from other clubs. Adam and Luke are only human - clearly offers from Man Utd and Liverpool will be at the very least worth serious consideration by any ambitious, talented player.

We should have got MP to the table as soon as the board changes happened and, while this may potentially have happened, the tone of his news conferences and those of the club suggest not.

MP clearly doesn't seem to have been presented with the club's vision and spending plans yet, which is remarkable.

My worry is that, while if NC was here MP could feel he had loyalty to the man who put faith in him, that factor is almost reversed in this situation.

Plus, the word from the club that Reed is in charge of negotiations concerns me - not from the perspective of the guy himself but the message it sends out.

Under NC, the manager and the players had a direct line to the chairman, which must have made them feel very much part of the club's vision.

If you are negotiating with someone at a slightly lower level, that feeling of being special is diluted slightly - you're more of an employee than a partner.

That might not be the case, but it is certainly what can be expected based on Krueger's recent statements.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe this club can afford to be held to ransom or go on a banzai glory hunt trying to compete financially with the top four. If MP, Adam and Luke etc want to stay they'll have to understand that the excitement of this project is trying to break into the next level by taking a new approach - more Arsenal than Man City or Chelsea.

That means they will need to take a huge leap of faith, because anyone who thinks we can easily bridge a 23 point gap to the Champions League on our budget (no matter how high) and gates has to have huge faith in our youth set up and coaching. It would be potentially the biggest footballing achievement since Nottingham Forest over a quarter of a century ago. It's possible based on this season, but be under no illusion that we're competing on a level playing field here.
All a bit late in my opinion - we should have forced the issue and got him sat down early before he and our stars became unsettled by concrete interest from other clubs. Adam and Luke are only human - clearly offers from Man Utd and Liverpool will be at the very least worth serious consideration by any ambitious, talented player. We should have got MP to the table as soon as the board changes happened and, while this may potentially have happened, the tone of his news conferences and those of the club suggest not. MP clearly doesn't seem to have been presented with the club's vision and spending plans yet, which is remarkable. My worry is that, while if NC was here MP could feel he had loyalty to the man who put faith in him, that factor is almost reversed in this situation. Plus, the word from the club that Reed is in charge of negotiations concerns me - not from the perspective of the guy himself but the message it sends out. Under NC, the manager and the players had a direct line to the chairman, which must have made them feel very much part of the club's vision. If you are negotiating with someone at a slightly lower level, that feeling of being special is diluted slightly - you're more of an employee than a partner. That might not be the case, but it is certainly what can be expected based on Krueger's recent statements. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe this club can afford to be held to ransom or go on a banzai glory hunt trying to compete financially with the top four. If MP, Adam and Luke etc want to stay they'll have to understand that the excitement of this project is trying to break into the next level by taking a new approach - more Arsenal than Man City or Chelsea. That means they will need to take a huge leap of faith, because anyone who thinks we can easily bridge a 23 point gap to the Champions League on our budget (no matter how high) and gates has to have huge faith in our youth set up and coaching. It would be potentially the biggest footballing achievement since Nottingham Forest over a quarter of a century ago. It's possible based on this season, but be under no illusion that we're competing on a level playing field here. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

11:17am Mon 12 May 14

bathsaints says...

Lets hope he at least sees his contract out but ideally signs a new long-term one. Really don't want Shaw of Lallana to go but if they do lets reinvest wisely in adding the quality we need to drive us on. Taking a look at the relegated clubs David Marshall (GK) and Steven Caulker (CB) look like they could be worth a punt, I still think Micah Richards as a CB is a good shout too and then maybe a striker on loan...whatever happens it's been a great year and if we can keep producing good young players there is no reason to believe we can't keep knocking on top 6....
Lets hope he at least sees his contract out but ideally signs a new long-term one. Really don't want Shaw of Lallana to go but if they do lets reinvest wisely in adding the quality we need to drive us on. Taking a look at the relegated clubs David Marshall (GK) and Steven Caulker (CB) look like they could be worth a punt, I still think Micah Richards as a CB is a good shout too and then maybe a striker on loan...whatever happens it's been a great year and if we can keep producing good young players there is no reason to believe we can't keep knocking on top 6.... bathsaints
  • Score: 1

11:22am Mon 12 May 14

SaintJD says...

richard903 wrote:
I dont think a big pay rise was in Potty Chino's thoughts. He seems more occupied by the plan for the future. Nicola sold him on saints with markus's 5 year plan. As long as Ralph Les & Katrina have a good plan, he will stay, he will then talk the players into giving him another year at least. If the board have no plan we are in the merde. Moyes would be terrible for us, he has no trust in youth. He never played Zaha, and at Everton would not play Barclay. I hope its all sorted soon I have not slept in the last week.
I don't really want to even acknowledge the idea of a different manager but I think you're being a bit harsh on him regarding youth. Style of football not great, agreed and I'm not a big fan by any means - MP is the only guy for us as far as I'm concerned. Youth wise though Moyes record is better than you give him credit for, although he does like to nurture players and bring them in gradually. He brought Rooney through, started to bring Barkley through and was blooding Janazai slowly, as he did with Rooney. Zaha, from what I've heard, has an attitude problem, which is why he's not been a regular in a relegated Cardiff side.
[quote][p][bold]richard903[/bold] wrote: I dont think a big pay rise was in Potty Chino's thoughts. He seems more occupied by the plan for the future. Nicola sold him on saints with markus's 5 year plan. As long as Ralph Les & Katrina have a good plan, he will stay, he will then talk the players into giving him another year at least. If the board have no plan we are in the merde. Moyes would be terrible for us, he has no trust in youth. He never played Zaha, and at Everton would not play Barclay. I hope its all sorted soon I have not slept in the last week.[/p][/quote]I don't really want to even acknowledge the idea of a different manager but I think you're being a bit harsh on him regarding youth. Style of football not great, agreed and I'm not a big fan by any means - MP is the only guy for us as far as I'm concerned. Youth wise though Moyes record is better than you give him credit for, although he does like to nurture players and bring them in gradually. He brought Rooney through, started to bring Barkley through and was blooding Janazai slowly, as he did with Rooney. Zaha, from what I've heard, has an attitude problem, which is why he's not been a regular in a relegated Cardiff side. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

11:24am Mon 12 May 14

jls217 says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
This is what worries me: after a brilliant season, magnificent 8th place, etc etc we have finished 23 points above the relegation places. But look at that league table a bit more closely: we have also finished 23 points behind 4th place. That is a measure of how much further we need to improve to start thinking about qualifying for Europe and the Champions League. It is going to cost a LOT of money to move up to the next level. If Mopo decides to move to a bigger and richer club then you can understand why. STID (but not looking forward to the summer).
I can see what you are saying, but when you look back over the season, we are maybe 2 or 3 players short of pushing on.
We have controlled most of the games, without having that killer touch, in front of goal, despite having 3 England internationals, leading the attack.
IMO, it is the lack of goals from the support players, that has seen us fall behind the top group, more than anything else, and that has come as a result of having no depth on the bench.

If money is tight, and we are taking the cheap options, there are experienced Premier League players, that shouldn't cost an excessive amount, that could be looked at.
Borini, on loan at Sunderland.
Moses, on loan at Liverpool.
Agbonlahor, at Villa.
Rodallega at Fulham.

Not everyone's ideal players, but all have history of scoring goals in the top flight, and would provide the experience we lack, from the bench. Of that group Borini would be my top choice, Agbonlahor to provide competition for JRod.
We do not have to shell out a single penny on not just a striker but a pair of top quality strikers. Gomis and Diouf are both in the right age range and are out of contract at the end of the French and German seasons - Problem solved - and we are one of the few clubs in the country that don't have to worry about taking on foreign players. I would still splash a little for Danny Ings - great potential there.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: This is what worries me: after a brilliant season, magnificent 8th place, etc etc we have finished 23 points above the relegation places. But look at that league table a bit more closely: we have also finished 23 points behind 4th place. That is a measure of how much further we need to improve to start thinking about qualifying for Europe and the Champions League. It is going to cost a LOT of money to move up to the next level. If Mopo decides to move to a bigger and richer club then you can understand why. STID (but not looking forward to the summer).[/p][/quote]I can see what you are saying, but when you look back over the season, we are maybe 2 or 3 players short of pushing on. We have controlled most of the games, without having that killer touch, in front of goal, despite having 3 England internationals, leading the attack. IMO, it is the lack of goals from the support players, that has seen us fall behind the top group, more than anything else, and that has come as a result of having no depth on the bench. If money is tight, and we are taking the cheap options, there are experienced Premier League players, that shouldn't cost an excessive amount, that could be looked at. Borini, on loan at Sunderland. Moses, on loan at Liverpool. Agbonlahor, at Villa. Rodallega at Fulham. Not everyone's ideal players, but all have history of scoring goals in the top flight, and would provide the experience we lack, from the bench. Of that group Borini would be my top choice, Agbonlahor to provide competition for JRod.[/p][/quote]We do not have to shell out a single penny on not just a striker but a pair of top quality strikers. Gomis and Diouf are both in the right age range and are out of contract at the end of the French and German seasons - Problem solved - and we are one of the few clubs in the country that don't have to worry about taking on foreign players. I would still splash a little for Danny Ings - great potential there. jls217
  • Score: 1

11:26am Mon 12 May 14

notaclue says...

It all comes down to two things.

1) Les Reed the football brain and Saints negotiator who is on the board.
2) KL and what she decides to aim for.

I don't think Saints will spend big and I don' think they need to, just bring through 4 or 5 young players a year top that up by buying one or two quaity players and in a couple of years you will have a top six team.

We don't need to buy a new team every year, or waste £15m on buying Italians!!
It all comes down to two things. 1) Les Reed the football brain and Saints negotiator who is on the board. 2) KL and what she decides to aim for. I don't think Saints will spend big and I don' think they need to, just bring through 4 or 5 young players a year top that up by buying one or two quaity players and in a couple of years you will have a top six team. We don't need to buy a new team every year, or waste £15m on buying Italians!! notaclue
  • Score: 8

11:32am Mon 12 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

SaintJD wrote:
All a bit late in my opinion - we should have forced the issue and got him sat down early before he and our stars became unsettled by concrete interest from other clubs. Adam and Luke are only human - clearly offers from Man Utd and Liverpool will be at the very least worth serious consideration by any ambitious, talented player.

We should have got MP to the table as soon as the board changes happened and, while this may potentially have happened, the tone of his news conferences and those of the club suggest not.

MP clearly doesn't seem to have been presented with the club's vision and spending plans yet, which is remarkable.

My worry is that, while if NC was here MP could feel he had loyalty to the man who put faith in him, that factor is almost reversed in this situation.

Plus, the word from the club that Reed is in charge of negotiations concerns me - not from the perspective of the guy himself but the message it sends out.

Under NC, the manager and the players had a direct line to the chairman, which must have made them feel very much part of the club's vision.

If you are negotiating with someone at a slightly lower level, that feeling of being special is diluted slightly - you're more of an employee than a partner.

That might not be the case, but it is certainly what can be expected based on Krueger's recent statements.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe this club can afford to be held to ransom or go on a banzai glory hunt trying to compete financially with the top four. If MP, Adam and Luke etc want to stay they'll have to understand that the excitement of this project is trying to break into the next level by taking a new approach - more Arsenal than Man City or Chelsea.

That means they will need to take a huge leap of faith, because anyone who thinks we can easily bridge a 23 point gap to the Champions League on our budget (no matter how high) and gates has to have huge faith in our youth set up and coaching. It would be potentially the biggest footballing achievement since Nottingham Forest over a quarter of a century ago. It's possible based on this season, but be under no illusion that we're competing on a level playing field here.
you cant force him to talk, what are you going to say to him? talk now or your sacked? MP made it clear he wanted to wait until the end of the season, that's happened and they are now talking. the new board would also need some time to get up to speed, like it or not they cant just come in and offer multi-million pound budgets without knowing everything that would affect that decision, sponsors etc.
the players will know les reed very well as he has been at the club and been dealing with them for a while now. just because he is in charge of contracts it doesn't mean the players will have no contact with the chairman and that the chairman will have no input in contract negotiations.
the 23 point gap to the top 4 isn't beyond our reach, everton almost made the jump up this season and that was mostly down to lukaku and they haven't had huge injury problems. we have a very good set of players who are able to play at a higher level, which is being proved by the amount of international call ups and the fees being bid, what we haven't had though is our moneys worth out of Osvaldo, replace him with a player who is just as good but is willing to try with the money we get from selling him and add in 3-4 new top class players and we can compete, even if we are hit with injury problems again. don't forget we finished 6pts clear of our mini league and that's with all the injuries we had and playing a raw 3rd choice keeper for 8 games, or around a quarter of the season. we don't have to aim for champs league next season, Europa will do, then we can kick on again.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: All a bit late in my opinion - we should have forced the issue and got him sat down early before he and our stars became unsettled by concrete interest from other clubs. Adam and Luke are only human - clearly offers from Man Utd and Liverpool will be at the very least worth serious consideration by any ambitious, talented player. We should have got MP to the table as soon as the board changes happened and, while this may potentially have happened, the tone of his news conferences and those of the club suggest not. MP clearly doesn't seem to have been presented with the club's vision and spending plans yet, which is remarkable. My worry is that, while if NC was here MP could feel he had loyalty to the man who put faith in him, that factor is almost reversed in this situation. Plus, the word from the club that Reed is in charge of negotiations concerns me - not from the perspective of the guy himself but the message it sends out. Under NC, the manager and the players had a direct line to the chairman, which must have made them feel very much part of the club's vision. If you are negotiating with someone at a slightly lower level, that feeling of being special is diluted slightly - you're more of an employee than a partner. That might not be the case, but it is certainly what can be expected based on Krueger's recent statements. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe this club can afford to be held to ransom or go on a banzai glory hunt trying to compete financially with the top four. If MP, Adam and Luke etc want to stay they'll have to understand that the excitement of this project is trying to break into the next level by taking a new approach - more Arsenal than Man City or Chelsea. That means they will need to take a huge leap of faith, because anyone who thinks we can easily bridge a 23 point gap to the Champions League on our budget (no matter how high) and gates has to have huge faith in our youth set up and coaching. It would be potentially the biggest footballing achievement since Nottingham Forest over a quarter of a century ago. It's possible based on this season, but be under no illusion that we're competing on a level playing field here.[/p][/quote]you cant force him to talk, what are you going to say to him? talk now or your sacked? MP made it clear he wanted to wait until the end of the season, that's happened and they are now talking. the new board would also need some time to get up to speed, like it or not they cant just come in and offer multi-million pound budgets without knowing everything that would affect that decision, sponsors etc. the players will know les reed very well as he has been at the club and been dealing with them for a while now. just because he is in charge of contracts it doesn't mean the players will have no contact with the chairman and that the chairman will have no input in contract negotiations. the 23 point gap to the top 4 isn't beyond our reach, everton almost made the jump up this season and that was mostly down to lukaku and they haven't had huge injury problems. we have a very good set of players who are able to play at a higher level, which is being proved by the amount of international call ups and the fees being bid, what we haven't had though is our moneys worth out of Osvaldo, replace him with a player who is just as good but is willing to try with the money we get from selling him and add in 3-4 new top class players and we can compete, even if we are hit with injury problems again. don't forget we finished 6pts clear of our mini league and that's with all the injuries we had and playing a raw 3rd choice keeper for 8 games, or around a quarter of the season. we don't have to aim for champs league next season, Europa will do, then we can kick on again. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 4

11:33am Mon 12 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

If the worse case scenario was to happen, I expect MP's team of assistants would go with him, Jesus, Miguel, Toni, and Fran? Would they all leave? Could they influence his decision? They have certainly done a great job while they have been with us, but tend to be taken for granted.
If the worse case scenario was to happen, I expect MP's team of assistants would go with him, Jesus, Miguel, Toni, and Fran? Would they all leave? Could they influence his decision? They have certainly done a great job while they have been with us, but tend to be taken for granted. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 5

11:34am Mon 12 May 14

jls217 says...

Bwana23 wrote:
Sell Luke to Chelsea and take Cole and Lukaka in part exchange!! Gives as a good LB and a proficient striker!!
Nice idea but Cole will never step down from that sort of money and even at his age will command more than we can pay him, besides the clue is in that statement, "At his age" Chelski have a far better option to offer us. Ryan Bertrand plus cash (lots of it) and a big percentage sell on fee. With the cash we also buy Cresswell - end of left back problem. With cash left over too. This then gives us four full backs lingering just on the edge of English selection and certainly England B standard already with years to improve. I foresee Luke eventually being left of midfield anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Bwana23[/bold] wrote: Sell Luke to Chelsea and take Cole and Lukaka in part exchange!! Gives as a good LB and a proficient striker!![/p][/quote]Nice idea but Cole will never step down from that sort of money and even at his age will command more than we can pay him, besides the clue is in that statement, "At his age" Chelski have a far better option to offer us. Ryan Bertrand plus cash (lots of it) and a big percentage sell on fee. With the cash we also buy Cresswell - end of left back problem. With cash left over too. This then gives us four full backs lingering just on the edge of English selection and certainly England B standard already with years to improve. I foresee Luke eventually being left of midfield anyway. jls217
  • Score: -2

11:37am Mon 12 May 14

Rob The Saint NOT in NZ says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
What's going on? I thought we were all going to sit down in the summer and talk about this? I've ordered two of those 'zero gravity' chairs off of the internet and everything. It could have been lovely - I was going to dust down the barbie and make a big jug of mojitos and we could have just chilled out and put the world to rights.

But look at the weather - it's cold and rainy and shiite.

The board have cocked this up BIG TIME.

(I suppose we'll all have to make do with a new five-year contract for MoPo and the stated aim of taking us to the Champions League.)
Don't fret, Retford. Dust off the barbie & prepare those mohitos. Sod work,I'm just leaving Chiswick now - how long to get to your place?
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: What's going on? I thought we were all going to sit down in the summer and talk about this? I've ordered two of those 'zero gravity' chairs off of the internet and everything. It could have been lovely - I was going to dust down the barbie and make a big jug of mojitos and we could have just chilled out and put the world to rights. But look at the weather - it's cold and rainy and shiite. The board have cocked this up BIG TIME. (I suppose we'll all have to make do with a new five-year contract for MoPo and the stated aim of taking us to the Champions League.)[/p][/quote]Don't fret, Retford. Dust off the barbie & prepare those mohitos. Sod work,I'm just leaving Chiswick now - how long to get to your place? Rob The Saint NOT in NZ
  • Score: 1

11:38am Mon 12 May 14

Clever Dick says...

Bwana23 wrote:
Sell Luke to Chelsea and take Cole and Lukaka in part exchange!! Gives as a good LB and a proficient striker!!
We already have a great LB if Luke goes. He's called Nat Clyne. Targett from the academy should also be looking to step up.
[quote][p][bold]Bwana23[/bold] wrote: Sell Luke to Chelsea and take Cole and Lukaka in part exchange!! Gives as a good LB and a proficient striker!![/p][/quote]We already have a great LB if Luke goes. He's called Nat Clyne. Targett from the academy should also be looking to step up. Clever Dick
  • Score: 7

11:41am Mon 12 May 14

jls217 says...

simmosailor wrote:
Consider this. 27 million for LS, 15 million for AL, 18million for 8th place.
60 million war chest. That is some hammer to weild in the transfer market, (and that's without dipping into our own coffers!)and which of Saints directors/owner would then not say to MP, we'll give you a contract you want, and a good 5 yr plan to boot. Or am i a saints fan for 60 yrs , a dreamer?
I get your drift mate been saying something similar myself. Selling us a bit short on the figures though but players could get that much and with a player exchange attached.

Personally I would ward off all bidders until after the world cup. If just one of them has a good comp you can rest assured not just English clubs but top Euro clubs would be sniffing too. Add 10mill to each of them. There will also be a few mill coming for Osvaldo (apparently Valencia are interested) There's a couple of mill at least destined to come in for the fringe players and all this before we start talking TV money etc. More than enough to clear up the 27mill some say we owe and still have a huge transfer budget. Go on www.transfermarkt.co
m and just take a gander round the players that are avail free or as good as in Europe - We don't need to spend a single penny to rebuild the squad - take a look and see, Top internationals.
[quote][p][bold]simmosailor[/bold] wrote: Consider this. 27 million for LS, 15 million for AL, 18million for 8th place. 60 million war chest. That is some hammer to weild in the transfer market, (and that's without dipping into our own coffers!)and which of Saints directors/owner would then not say to MP, we'll give you a contract you want, and a good 5 yr plan to boot. Or am i a saints fan for 60 yrs , a dreamer?[/p][/quote]I get your drift mate been saying something similar myself. Selling us a bit short on the figures though but players could get that much and with a player exchange attached. Personally I would ward off all bidders until after the world cup. If just one of them has a good comp you can rest assured not just English clubs but top Euro clubs would be sniffing too. Add 10mill to each of them. There will also be a few mill coming for Osvaldo (apparently Valencia are interested) There's a couple of mill at least destined to come in for the fringe players and all this before we start talking TV money etc. More than enough to clear up the 27mill some say we owe and still have a huge transfer budget. Go on www.transfermarkt.co m and just take a gander round the players that are avail free or as good as in Europe - We don't need to spend a single penny to rebuild the squad - take a look and see, Top internationals. jls217
  • Score: 0

11:47am Mon 12 May 14

SaintJD says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
All a bit late in my opinion - we should have forced the issue and got him sat down early before he and our stars became unsettled by concrete interest from other clubs. Adam and Luke are only human - clearly offers from Man Utd and Liverpool will be at the very least worth serious consideration by any ambitious, talented player.

We should have got MP to the table as soon as the board changes happened and, while this may potentially have happened, the tone of his news conferences and those of the club suggest not.

MP clearly doesn't seem to have been presented with the club's vision and spending plans yet, which is remarkable.

My worry is that, while if NC was here MP could feel he had loyalty to the man who put faith in him, that factor is almost reversed in this situation.

Plus, the word from the club that Reed is in charge of negotiations concerns me - not from the perspective of the guy himself but the message it sends out.

Under NC, the manager and the players had a direct line to the chairman, which must have made them feel very much part of the club's vision.

If you are negotiating with someone at a slightly lower level, that feeling of being special is diluted slightly - you're more of an employee than a partner.

That might not be the case, but it is certainly what can be expected based on Krueger's recent statements.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe this club can afford to be held to ransom or go on a banzai glory hunt trying to compete financially with the top four. If MP, Adam and Luke etc want to stay they'll have to understand that the excitement of this project is trying to break into the next level by taking a new approach - more Arsenal than Man City or Chelsea.

That means they will need to take a huge leap of faith, because anyone who thinks we can easily bridge a 23 point gap to the Champions League on our budget (no matter how high) and gates has to have huge faith in our youth set up and coaching. It would be potentially the biggest footballing achievement since Nottingham Forest over a quarter of a century ago. It's possible based on this season, but be under no illusion that we're competing on a level playing field here.
you cant force him to talk, what are you going to say to him? talk now or your sacked? MP made it clear he wanted to wait until the end of the season, that's happened and they are now talking. the new board would also need some time to get up to speed, like it or not they cant just come in and offer multi-million pound budgets without knowing everything that would affect that decision, sponsors etc.
the players will know les reed very well as he has been at the club and been dealing with them for a while now. just because he is in charge of contracts it doesn't mean the players will have no contact with the chairman and that the chairman will have no input in contract negotiations.
the 23 point gap to the top 4 isn't beyond our reach, everton almost made the jump up this season and that was mostly down to lukaku and they haven't had huge injury problems. we have a very good set of players who are able to play at a higher level, which is being proved by the amount of international call ups and the fees being bid, what we haven't had though is our moneys worth out of Osvaldo, replace him with a player who is just as good but is willing to try with the money we get from selling him and add in 3-4 new top class players and we can compete, even if we are hit with injury problems again. don't forget we finished 6pts clear of our mini league and that's with all the injuries we had and playing a raw 3rd choice keeper for 8 games, or around a quarter of the season. we don't have to aim for champs league next season, Europa will do, then we can kick on again.
I didn't say we couldn't make top four. This is about being ambitious but realistic, which is what the board, quite rightly, seem to be preaching.

Unfortunately, they are also being brutally honest (another good thing) by not wanting to over commit.

We CAN make top four, but as I said it takes a huge leap of faith by everyone concerned to commit to the project because we aren't going to be spending £100 million in the summer like City and Chelsea may well do. For MP, Adam and Luke to stay we'd have to get them massively enthused with the vision and that means a huge amount of passion and belief, because it is an exciting vision.

In terms of not being able to force someone, yep, agreed, but you can sell a vision to that person, start to get some of the pieces in place (such as signing key players on long term contracts) and maybe give a deadline for signing a lucrative deal, that may or may not be offered at a later date if he doesn't sign. We're an attractive club, we don't want to be held to random and we shouldn't be.

You suggesting sack him for not signing is taking a polar extreme view and I'm not not about polar extreme views. I'm about being realistic and, in my opinion, if you try to get Adam, Shaw and MP signed up before Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs come in for them I think you have a much better realistic chance of keeping them.

If I was MP, Adam and Luke in February and was offered a big deal to stay at Saints with a positive vision for the future and no other definite offers on the table I'd take it, no question. If you ask me to put myself in Adam and Luke's shoes now they have a big decision to make.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: All a bit late in my opinion - we should have forced the issue and got him sat down early before he and our stars became unsettled by concrete interest from other clubs. Adam and Luke are only human - clearly offers from Man Utd and Liverpool will be at the very least worth serious consideration by any ambitious, talented player. We should have got MP to the table as soon as the board changes happened and, while this may potentially have happened, the tone of his news conferences and those of the club suggest not. MP clearly doesn't seem to have been presented with the club's vision and spending plans yet, which is remarkable. My worry is that, while if NC was here MP could feel he had loyalty to the man who put faith in him, that factor is almost reversed in this situation. Plus, the word from the club that Reed is in charge of negotiations concerns me - not from the perspective of the guy himself but the message it sends out. Under NC, the manager and the players had a direct line to the chairman, which must have made them feel very much part of the club's vision. If you are negotiating with someone at a slightly lower level, that feeling of being special is diluted slightly - you're more of an employee than a partner. That might not be the case, but it is certainly what can be expected based on Krueger's recent statements. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe this club can afford to be held to ransom or go on a banzai glory hunt trying to compete financially with the top four. If MP, Adam and Luke etc want to stay they'll have to understand that the excitement of this project is trying to break into the next level by taking a new approach - more Arsenal than Man City or Chelsea. That means they will need to take a huge leap of faith, because anyone who thinks we can easily bridge a 23 point gap to the Champions League on our budget (no matter how high) and gates has to have huge faith in our youth set up and coaching. It would be potentially the biggest footballing achievement since Nottingham Forest over a quarter of a century ago. It's possible based on this season, but be under no illusion that we're competing on a level playing field here.[/p][/quote]you cant force him to talk, what are you going to say to him? talk now or your sacked? MP made it clear he wanted to wait until the end of the season, that's happened and they are now talking. the new board would also need some time to get up to speed, like it or not they cant just come in and offer multi-million pound budgets without knowing everything that would affect that decision, sponsors etc. the players will know les reed very well as he has been at the club and been dealing with them for a while now. just because he is in charge of contracts it doesn't mean the players will have no contact with the chairman and that the chairman will have no input in contract negotiations. the 23 point gap to the top 4 isn't beyond our reach, everton almost made the jump up this season and that was mostly down to lukaku and they haven't had huge injury problems. we have a very good set of players who are able to play at a higher level, which is being proved by the amount of international call ups and the fees being bid, what we haven't had though is our moneys worth out of Osvaldo, replace him with a player who is just as good but is willing to try with the money we get from selling him and add in 3-4 new top class players and we can compete, even if we are hit with injury problems again. don't forget we finished 6pts clear of our mini league and that's with all the injuries we had and playing a raw 3rd choice keeper for 8 games, or around a quarter of the season. we don't have to aim for champs league next season, Europa will do, then we can kick on again.[/p][/quote]I didn't say we couldn't make top four. This is about being ambitious but realistic, which is what the board, quite rightly, seem to be preaching. Unfortunately, they are also being brutally honest (another good thing) by not wanting to over commit. We CAN make top four, but as I said it takes a huge leap of faith by everyone concerned to commit to the project because we aren't going to be spending £100 million in the summer like City and Chelsea may well do. For MP, Adam and Luke to stay we'd have to get them massively enthused with the vision and that means a huge amount of passion and belief, because it is an exciting vision. In terms of not being able to force someone, yep, agreed, but you can sell a vision to that person, start to get some of the pieces in place (such as signing key players on long term contracts) and maybe give a deadline for signing a lucrative deal, that may or may not be offered at a later date if he doesn't sign. We're an attractive club, we don't want to be held to random and we shouldn't be. You suggesting sack him for not signing is taking a polar extreme view and I'm not not about polar extreme views. I'm about being realistic and, in my opinion, if you try to get Adam, Shaw and MP signed up before Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs come in for them I think you have a much better realistic chance of keeping them. If I was MP, Adam and Luke in February and was offered a big deal to stay at Saints with a positive vision for the future and no other definite offers on the table I'd take it, no question. If you ask me to put myself in Adam and Luke's shoes now they have a big decision to make. SaintJD
  • Score: -2

11:54am Mon 12 May 14

SaintJD says...

simmosailor wrote:
Consider this. 27 million for LS, 15 million for AL, 18million for 8th place.
60 million war chest. That is some hammer to weild in the transfer market, (and that's without dipping into our own coffers!)and which of Saints directors/owner would then not say to MP, we'll give you a contract you want, and a good 5 yr plan to boot. Or am i a saints fan for 60 yrs , a dreamer?
Word of warning on this one is Spurs. 60 million can be easily wasted - Gaston and Osvaldo would eat up half of that. It's a sweetener if we did have to cope with the unthinkable, but frankly I'd rather keep them both than have 60 million. We can get what we need for next season by selling the two players mentioned above and adding the same spend that we spent last summer. That would give us a very good chance of at least aiming top eight again and, in what would be a sane initial target, fighting for a Europa League place. Then, if anything better materialises, great.
[quote][p][bold]simmosailor[/bold] wrote: Consider this. 27 million for LS, 15 million for AL, 18million for 8th place. 60 million war chest. That is some hammer to weild in the transfer market, (and that's without dipping into our own coffers!)and which of Saints directors/owner would then not say to MP, we'll give you a contract you want, and a good 5 yr plan to boot. Or am i a saints fan for 60 yrs , a dreamer?[/p][/quote]Word of warning on this one is Spurs. 60 million can be easily wasted - Gaston and Osvaldo would eat up half of that. It's a sweetener if we did have to cope with the unthinkable, but frankly I'd rather keep them both than have 60 million. We can get what we need for next season by selling the two players mentioned above and adding the same spend that we spent last summer. That would give us a very good chance of at least aiming top eight again and, in what would be a sane initial target, fighting for a Europa League place. Then, if anything better materialises, great. SaintJD
  • Score: -2

11:57am Mon 12 May 14

jls217 says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
All a bit late in my opinion - we should have forced the issue and got him sat down early before he and our stars became unsettled by concrete interest from other clubs. Adam and Luke are only human - clearly offers from Man Utd and Liverpool will be at the very least worth serious consideration by any ambitious, talented player.

We should have got MP to the table as soon as the board changes happened and, while this may potentially have happened, the tone of his news conferences and those of the club suggest not.

MP clearly doesn't seem to have been presented with the club's vision and spending plans yet, which is remarkable.

My worry is that, while if NC was here MP could feel he had loyalty to the man who put faith in him, that factor is almost reversed in this situation.

Plus, the word from the club that Reed is in charge of negotiations concerns me - not from the perspective of the guy himself but the message it sends out.

Under NC, the manager and the players had a direct line to the chairman, which must have made them feel very much part of the club's vision.

If you are negotiating with someone at a slightly lower level, that feeling of being special is diluted slightly - you're more of an employee than a partner.

That might not be the case, but it is certainly what can be expected based on Krueger's recent statements.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe this club can afford to be held to ransom or go on a banzai glory hunt trying to compete financially with the top four. If MP, Adam and Luke etc want to stay they'll have to understand that the excitement of this project is trying to break into the next level by taking a new approach - more Arsenal than Man City or Chelsea.

That means they will need to take a huge leap of faith, because anyone who thinks we can easily bridge a 23 point gap to the Champions League on our budget (no matter how high) and gates has to have huge faith in our youth set up and coaching. It would be potentially the biggest footballing achievement since Nottingham Forest over a quarter of a century ago. It's possible based on this season, but be under no illusion that we're competing on a level playing field here.
you cant force him to talk, what are you going to say to him? talk now or your sacked? MP made it clear he wanted to wait until the end of the season, that's happened and they are now talking. the new board would also need some time to get up to speed, like it or not they cant just come in and offer multi-million pound budgets without knowing everything that would affect that decision, sponsors etc.
the players will know les reed very well as he has been at the club and been dealing with them for a while now. just because he is in charge of contracts it doesn't mean the players will have no contact with the chairman and that the chairman will have no input in contract negotiations.
the 23 point gap to the top 4 isn't beyond our reach, everton almost made the jump up this season and that was mostly down to lukaku and they haven't had huge injury problems. we have a very good set of players who are able to play at a higher level, which is being proved by the amount of international call ups and the fees being bid, what we haven't had though is our moneys worth out of Osvaldo, replace him with a player who is just as good but is willing to try with the money we get from selling him and add in 3-4 new top class players and we can compete, even if we are hit with injury problems again. don't forget we finished 6pts clear of our mini league and that's with all the injuries we had and playing a raw 3rd choice keeper for 8 games, or around a quarter of the season. we don't have to aim for champs league next season, Europa will do, then we can kick on again.
Poochy and his staff identify the players they would like. Les Reed checks their availability and starts negotiations. Poochy then makes the final decision on which players to sign - Perfectly reasonable arrangement and a sensible one too. No point a manager going for a player only to be told by A - The board that they can't afford him. or B - the player doesn't want to come no matter how much is offered to him.

The points issue is not the wide chasm it seems for the points outlined above in a well thought out post. How many games have we missed out on all 3 points because of a missed trip or handball - I would say we lost approx 8 points for that. I can't remember which game it was but we lost a point because the linesman missed their striker being offside and I would guess there were a few I didn't see so lets add another 3 points. If Borat hadn't been injured how many more points would we have made - the gap narrows again. How many times did we not hold on to the lead and maybe should have shut up shop in the last 10 mins for the points but inexperience had us galloping forward. Remember the Cardiff game. You are right mate we maybe are not knocking on their doors yet but we are certainly walking up their garden paths.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: All a bit late in my opinion - we should have forced the issue and got him sat down early before he and our stars became unsettled by concrete interest from other clubs. Adam and Luke are only human - clearly offers from Man Utd and Liverpool will be at the very least worth serious consideration by any ambitious, talented player. We should have got MP to the table as soon as the board changes happened and, while this may potentially have happened, the tone of his news conferences and those of the club suggest not. MP clearly doesn't seem to have been presented with the club's vision and spending plans yet, which is remarkable. My worry is that, while if NC was here MP could feel he had loyalty to the man who put faith in him, that factor is almost reversed in this situation. Plus, the word from the club that Reed is in charge of negotiations concerns me - not from the perspective of the guy himself but the message it sends out. Under NC, the manager and the players had a direct line to the chairman, which must have made them feel very much part of the club's vision. If you are negotiating with someone at a slightly lower level, that feeling of being special is diluted slightly - you're more of an employee than a partner. That might not be the case, but it is certainly what can be expected based on Krueger's recent statements. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe this club can afford to be held to ransom or go on a banzai glory hunt trying to compete financially with the top four. If MP, Adam and Luke etc want to stay they'll have to understand that the excitement of this project is trying to break into the next level by taking a new approach - more Arsenal than Man City or Chelsea. That means they will need to take a huge leap of faith, because anyone who thinks we can easily bridge a 23 point gap to the Champions League on our budget (no matter how high) and gates has to have huge faith in our youth set up and coaching. It would be potentially the biggest footballing achievement since Nottingham Forest over a quarter of a century ago. It's possible based on this season, but be under no illusion that we're competing on a level playing field here.[/p][/quote]you cant force him to talk, what are you going to say to him? talk now or your sacked? MP made it clear he wanted to wait until the end of the season, that's happened and they are now talking. the new board would also need some time to get up to speed, like it or not they cant just come in and offer multi-million pound budgets without knowing everything that would affect that decision, sponsors etc. the players will know les reed very well as he has been at the club and been dealing with them for a while now. just because he is in charge of contracts it doesn't mean the players will have no contact with the chairman and that the chairman will have no input in contract negotiations. the 23 point gap to the top 4 isn't beyond our reach, everton almost made the jump up this season and that was mostly down to lukaku and they haven't had huge injury problems. we have a very good set of players who are able to play at a higher level, which is being proved by the amount of international call ups and the fees being bid, what we haven't had though is our moneys worth out of Osvaldo, replace him with a player who is just as good but is willing to try with the money we get from selling him and add in 3-4 new top class players and we can compete, even if we are hit with injury problems again. don't forget we finished 6pts clear of our mini league and that's with all the injuries we had and playing a raw 3rd choice keeper for 8 games, or around a quarter of the season. we don't have to aim for champs league next season, Europa will do, then we can kick on again.[/p][/quote]Poochy and his staff identify the players they would like. Les Reed checks their availability and starts negotiations. Poochy then makes the final decision on which players to sign - Perfectly reasonable arrangement and a sensible one too. No point a manager going for a player only to be told by A - The board that they can't afford him. or B - the player doesn't want to come no matter how much is offered to him. The points issue is not the wide chasm it seems for the points outlined above in a well thought out post. How many games have we missed out on all 3 points because of a missed trip or handball - I would say we lost approx 8 points for that. I can't remember which game it was but we lost a point because the linesman missed their striker being offside and I would guess there were a few I didn't see so lets add another 3 points. If Borat hadn't been injured how many more points would we have made - the gap narrows again. How many times did we not hold on to the lead and maybe should have shut up shop in the last 10 mins for the points but inexperience had us galloping forward. Remember the Cardiff game. You are right mate we maybe are not knocking on their doors yet but we are certainly walking up their garden paths. jls217
  • Score: 8

12:07pm Mon 12 May 14

redsnapper says...

If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign.
I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up.
No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled,
OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace.
Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker.
If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign. I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up. No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled, OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace. Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker. redsnapper
  • Score: 4

12:09pm Mon 12 May 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

SIGN but also Keep our boys and get money to SPEND and make US better for the new season . M.P. You really can call the SHOTS , So get the answers and cast iron agreement , that NO BIG MONEY will be temped to SELL our assets . Obviously if Adam & Luke decide they want to leave , then its a different story , But surely YOU can convince the BOARD and THEM , the future is BRIGHT being a SAINT . Build ON WHAT YOU HAVE and take us to Champions league football a s a p
SIGN but also Keep our boys and get money to SPEND and make US better for the new season . M.P. You really can call the SHOTS , So get the answers and cast iron agreement , that NO BIG MONEY will be temped to SELL our assets . Obviously if Adam & Luke decide they want to leave , then its a different story , But surely YOU can convince the BOARD and THEM , the future is BRIGHT being a SAINT . Build ON WHAT YOU HAVE and take us to Champions league football a s a p SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 1

12:24pm Mon 12 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

SaintJD wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
All a bit late in my opinion - we should have forced the issue and got him sat down early before he and our stars became unsettled by concrete interest from other clubs. Adam and Luke are only human - clearly offers from Man Utd and Liverpool will be at the very least worth serious consideration by any ambitious, talented player.

We should have got MP to the table as soon as the board changes happened and, while this may potentially have happened, the tone of his news conferences and those of the club suggest not.

MP clearly doesn't seem to have been presented with the club's vision and spending plans yet, which is remarkable.

My worry is that, while if NC was here MP could feel he had loyalty to the man who put faith in him, that factor is almost reversed in this situation.

Plus, the word from the club that Reed is in charge of negotiations concerns me - not from the perspective of the guy himself but the message it sends out.

Under NC, the manager and the players had a direct line to the chairman, which must have made them feel very much part of the club's vision.

If you are negotiating with someone at a slightly lower level, that feeling of being special is diluted slightly - you're more of an employee than a partner.

That might not be the case, but it is certainly what can be expected based on Krueger's recent statements.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe this club can afford to be held to ransom or go on a banzai glory hunt trying to compete financially with the top four. If MP, Adam and Luke etc want to stay they'll have to understand that the excitement of this project is trying to break into the next level by taking a new approach - more Arsenal than Man City or Chelsea.

That means they will need to take a huge leap of faith, because anyone who thinks we can easily bridge a 23 point gap to the Champions League on our budget (no matter how high) and gates has to have huge faith in our youth set up and coaching. It would be potentially the biggest footballing achievement since Nottingham Forest over a quarter of a century ago. It's possible based on this season, but be under no illusion that we're competing on a level playing field here.
you cant force him to talk, what are you going to say to him? talk now or your sacked? MP made it clear he wanted to wait until the end of the season, that's happened and they are now talking. the new board would also need some time to get up to speed, like it or not they cant just come in and offer multi-million pound budgets without knowing everything that would affect that decision, sponsors etc.
the players will know les reed very well as he has been at the club and been dealing with them for a while now. just because he is in charge of contracts it doesn't mean the players will have no contact with the chairman and that the chairman will have no input in contract negotiations.
the 23 point gap to the top 4 isn't beyond our reach, everton almost made the jump up this season and that was mostly down to lukaku and they haven't had huge injury problems. we have a very good set of players who are able to play at a higher level, which is being proved by the amount of international call ups and the fees being bid, what we haven't had though is our moneys worth out of Osvaldo, replace him with a player who is just as good but is willing to try with the money we get from selling him and add in 3-4 new top class players and we can compete, even if we are hit with injury problems again. don't forget we finished 6pts clear of our mini league and that's with all the injuries we had and playing a raw 3rd choice keeper for 8 games, or around a quarter of the season. we don't have to aim for champs league next season, Europa will do, then we can kick on again.
I didn't say we couldn't make top four. This is about being ambitious but realistic, which is what the board, quite rightly, seem to be preaching.

Unfortunately, they are also being brutally honest (another good thing) by not wanting to over commit.

We CAN make top four, but as I said it takes a huge leap of faith by everyone concerned to commit to the project because we aren't going to be spending £100 million in the summer like City and Chelsea may well do. For MP, Adam and Luke to stay we'd have to get them massively enthused with the vision and that means a huge amount of passion and belief, because it is an exciting vision.

In terms of not being able to force someone, yep, agreed, but you can sell a vision to that person, start to get some of the pieces in place (such as signing key players on long term contracts) and maybe give a deadline for signing a lucrative deal, that may or may not be offered at a later date if he doesn't sign. We're an attractive club, we don't want to be held to random and we shouldn't be.

You suggesting sack him for not signing is taking a polar extreme view and I'm not not about polar extreme views. I'm about being realistic and, in my opinion, if you try to get Adam, Shaw and MP signed up before Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs come in for them I think you have a much better realistic chance of keeping them.

If I was MP, Adam and Luke in February and was offered a big deal to stay at Saints with a positive vision for the future and no other definite offers on the table I'd take it, no question. If you ask me to put myself in Adam and Luke's shoes now they have a big decision to make.
I don't for one minute think the board should say `sign or your sacked` it was just an example. my point was that if les or the board go to MP with a deal and he just refuses to talk until the end of the season there is not a lot you can do. its not being held to ransom its just a manager who wants to deal with the games and whats in front f him at the time. obviously they have ben talking to each other about the future possible targets, departures and pre-season planning/training, this would of course include potential budgets, the players we want to keep are already on long term contracts but might want/need those deals to be increased to keep them happy, that might be in place with talks already happened but the club/players are waiting for MP to commit. perhaps MP is happy with the budget etc and is now getting down to the details of his contract. again that makes perfect sense to me, Brenda has also said he won talk about contract extensions with diverpool until the end of the season, the press aren't jumping all over him.
I agree we can reach the top 4, we already have some world class players and but for some awful reffing decisions, handballs and the offside at mancy, and some really bad injury problems, again the media never mentioned our problems just said we had lost form. take the CB`s and CM`s out of any team and they will struggle then take out the first and second choice keepers and its even worse. then when we get back to full fitness and start playing well again we then lose one of our forwards, and our major speed threat up front, to a major injury.
your right we aren't going to spend £100mill, and those thinking that if we sell luke and lalla that the profit will be put back into the squad might be in for a surprise. I wouldn't want us to spend that sort of money either, although anything between £30-£50mill would be a great show of our intentions.
I think we all agree that we are only a few players short of a really competitive team.
we only know what the cub has told us to be fact, there might be a lot more work, and probably is, going on in the background.
I am still confident about the future.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: All a bit late in my opinion - we should have forced the issue and got him sat down early before he and our stars became unsettled by concrete interest from other clubs. Adam and Luke are only human - clearly offers from Man Utd and Liverpool will be at the very least worth serious consideration by any ambitious, talented player. We should have got MP to the table as soon as the board changes happened and, while this may potentially have happened, the tone of his news conferences and those of the club suggest not. MP clearly doesn't seem to have been presented with the club's vision and spending plans yet, which is remarkable. My worry is that, while if NC was here MP could feel he had loyalty to the man who put faith in him, that factor is almost reversed in this situation. Plus, the word from the club that Reed is in charge of negotiations concerns me - not from the perspective of the guy himself but the message it sends out. Under NC, the manager and the players had a direct line to the chairman, which must have made them feel very much part of the club's vision. If you are negotiating with someone at a slightly lower level, that feeling of being special is diluted slightly - you're more of an employee than a partner. That might not be the case, but it is certainly what can be expected based on Krueger's recent statements. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe this club can afford to be held to ransom or go on a banzai glory hunt trying to compete financially with the top four. If MP, Adam and Luke etc want to stay they'll have to understand that the excitement of this project is trying to break into the next level by taking a new approach - more Arsenal than Man City or Chelsea. That means they will need to take a huge leap of faith, because anyone who thinks we can easily bridge a 23 point gap to the Champions League on our budget (no matter how high) and gates has to have huge faith in our youth set up and coaching. It would be potentially the biggest footballing achievement since Nottingham Forest over a quarter of a century ago. It's possible based on this season, but be under no illusion that we're competing on a level playing field here.[/p][/quote]you cant force him to talk, what are you going to say to him? talk now or your sacked? MP made it clear he wanted to wait until the end of the season, that's happened and they are now talking. the new board would also need some time to get up to speed, like it or not they cant just come in and offer multi-million pound budgets without knowing everything that would affect that decision, sponsors etc. the players will know les reed very well as he has been at the club and been dealing with them for a while now. just because he is in charge of contracts it doesn't mean the players will have no contact with the chairman and that the chairman will have no input in contract negotiations. the 23 point gap to the top 4 isn't beyond our reach, everton almost made the jump up this season and that was mostly down to lukaku and they haven't had huge injury problems. we have a very good set of players who are able to play at a higher level, which is being proved by the amount of international call ups and the fees being bid, what we haven't had though is our moneys worth out of Osvaldo, replace him with a player who is just as good but is willing to try with the money we get from selling him and add in 3-4 new top class players and we can compete, even if we are hit with injury problems again. don't forget we finished 6pts clear of our mini league and that's with all the injuries we had and playing a raw 3rd choice keeper for 8 games, or around a quarter of the season. we don't have to aim for champs league next season, Europa will do, then we can kick on again.[/p][/quote]I didn't say we couldn't make top four. This is about being ambitious but realistic, which is what the board, quite rightly, seem to be preaching. Unfortunately, they are also being brutally honest (another good thing) by not wanting to over commit. We CAN make top four, but as I said it takes a huge leap of faith by everyone concerned to commit to the project because we aren't going to be spending £100 million in the summer like City and Chelsea may well do. For MP, Adam and Luke to stay we'd have to get them massively enthused with the vision and that means a huge amount of passion and belief, because it is an exciting vision. In terms of not being able to force someone, yep, agreed, but you can sell a vision to that person, start to get some of the pieces in place (such as signing key players on long term contracts) and maybe give a deadline for signing a lucrative deal, that may or may not be offered at a later date if he doesn't sign. We're an attractive club, we don't want to be held to random and we shouldn't be. You suggesting sack him for not signing is taking a polar extreme view and I'm not not about polar extreme views. I'm about being realistic and, in my opinion, if you try to get Adam, Shaw and MP signed up before Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs come in for them I think you have a much better realistic chance of keeping them. If I was MP, Adam and Luke in February and was offered a big deal to stay at Saints with a positive vision for the future and no other definite offers on the table I'd take it, no question. If you ask me to put myself in Adam and Luke's shoes now they have a big decision to make.[/p][/quote]I don't for one minute think the board should say `sign or your sacked` it was just an example. my point was that if les or the board go to MP with a deal and he just refuses to talk until the end of the season there is not a lot you can do. its not being held to ransom its just a manager who wants to deal with the games and whats in front f him at the time. obviously they have ben talking to each other about the future possible targets, departures and pre-season planning/training, this would of course include potential budgets, the players we want to keep are already on long term contracts but might want/need those deals to be increased to keep them happy, that might be in place with talks already happened but the club/players are waiting for MP to commit. perhaps MP is happy with the budget etc and is now getting down to the details of his contract. again that makes perfect sense to me, Brenda has also said he won talk about contract extensions with diverpool until the end of the season, the press aren't jumping all over him. I agree we can reach the top 4, we already have some world class players and but for some awful reffing decisions, handballs and the offside at mancy, and some really bad injury problems, again the media never mentioned our problems just said we had lost form. take the CB`s and CM`s out of any team and they will struggle then take out the first and second choice keepers and its even worse. then when we get back to full fitness and start playing well again we then lose one of our forwards, and our major speed threat up front, to a major injury. your right we aren't going to spend £100mill, and those thinking that if we sell luke and lalla that the profit will be put back into the squad might be in for a surprise. I wouldn't want us to spend that sort of money either, although anything between £30-£50mill would be a great show of our intentions. I think we all agree that we are only a few players short of a really competitive team. we only know what the cub has told us to be fact, there might be a lot more work, and probably is, going on in the background. I am still confident about the future. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 4

12:30pm Mon 12 May 14

DisplacedFan says...

redsnapper wrote:
If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign.
I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up.
No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled,
OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace.
Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker.
Keeper should have been ready for that, however. It was an obvious place to put it.
[quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign. I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up. No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled, OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace. Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker.[/p][/quote]Keeper should have been ready for that, however. It was an obvious place to put it. DisplacedFan
  • Score: -1

12:37pm Mon 12 May 14

BracknellSaint says...

DisplacedFan wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign.
I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up.
No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled,
OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace.
Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker.
Keeper should have been ready for that, however. It was an obvious place to put it.
I wonder why we don't put a man on the post? Might not have got to it, but would have made Mata think a bit more-perhaps put him off. Seems like such a simple thing...Can understand for a cross, to help with offsides, but Mata was only ever going to shoot from there.
[quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign. I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up. No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled, OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace. Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker.[/p][/quote]Keeper should have been ready for that, however. It was an obvious place to put it.[/p][/quote]I wonder why we don't put a man on the post? Might not have got to it, but would have made Mata think a bit more-perhaps put him off. Seems like such a simple thing...Can understand for a cross, to help with offsides, but Mata was only ever going to shoot from there. BracknellSaint
  • Score: 0

12:55pm Mon 12 May 14

sarfhamton says...

What does Flash think? we need to know!
What does Flash think? we need to know! sarfhamton
  • Score: 0

1:07pm Mon 12 May 14

Outside of the Box says...

andoru wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
I believe it all depends on money, if we sell our best players will he given all of the money for his transfer budget? If don't sell players, how will he be given for his transfer budget?

At Espanyol his best players were sold from under him he continued to be their manager until he had very little left to work with and ultimately got the bullet, I just hope the Board realise his contribution to Club and the players, I hope we keep the players he wants and despatches the one he doesn't.
Espanyol were in dire financial straights and had to sell We have been told on numerous occasons that we don't need to sell anybody the manager wants to keep.
That was the point I was making, the fact he stayed despite Espanyol selling every player worth selling, to me it speaks volumes about MoPo's loyalty to a Club, if the Board show him the same loyalty and back his requests then I can see him signing.
True, but then at Espanyol he was still a relative unknown with less bargaining power than he has now. If he left Saints, he'd find another job.
He wasn't so unknown that Pep Guardiola recommended him to Barcelona Board as his replacement when decided to join Bayern. Yes he'd find another job, however apart from Spurs there is nowhere in the Premier League for him and with Spurs track record of sacking managers he's be silly to go there, I think its all about what the Board do, invest in the transfer market to replace those possibly leaving or giving enough money to add where needed if the player (Luke & Adam) decide to stay.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: I believe it all depends on money, if we sell our best players will he given all of the money for his transfer budget? If don't sell players, how will he be given for his transfer budget? At Espanyol his best players were sold from under him he continued to be their manager until he had very little left to work with and ultimately got the bullet, I just hope the Board realise his contribution to Club and the players, I hope we keep the players he wants and despatches the one he doesn't.[/p][/quote]Espanyol were in dire financial straights and had to sell We have been told on numerous occasons that we don't need to sell anybody the manager wants to keep.[/p][/quote]That was the point I was making, the fact he stayed despite Espanyol selling every player worth selling, to me it speaks volumes about MoPo's loyalty to a Club, if the Board show him the same loyalty and back his requests then I can see him signing.[/p][/quote]True, but then at Espanyol he was still a relative unknown with less bargaining power than he has now. If he left Saints, he'd find another job.[/p][/quote]He wasn't so unknown that Pep Guardiola recommended him to Barcelona Board as his replacement when decided to join Bayern. Yes he'd find another job, however apart from Spurs there is nowhere in the Premier League for him and with Spurs track record of sacking managers he's be silly to go there, I think its all about what the Board do, invest in the transfer market to replace those possibly leaving or giving enough money to add where needed if the player (Luke & Adam) decide to stay. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 1

1:40pm Mon 12 May 14

kiddynamite says...

Poch, Luke and Adam will all leave for bigger better things and you know it!
Poch, Luke and Adam will all leave for bigger better things and you know it! kiddynamite
  • Score: -19

1:54pm Mon 12 May 14

jls217 says...

Just waved Poochy off - came round my house for Char and a wad.
Moaning about not having enough to spend on new players so I sent him off with a list I expect to see next year.
Boruc, Schmeichel, Gazzanigga. (I wanted Ruddy but money being tight I went for a freebie.

Chambers, Clyne, Lovren, Moshida, Fonte, Stevens, Turnbull, Lescott, Targett, Bertrand. (cost approx 7 mill)

Wanyama, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Rowe, Cork, Ward-Prowse, Reed, Isgrove, Hunt, Ince (cost approx 7 mill)

Lambert, Diouf, Gallagher, JRod, Gomis.
We can take the world on with that squad. Of course we may not move Shaw and Lallana out but it means we could still easily afford the 14mill it would cost to field this lot.
Poochy seemed a lot calmer when I put this in front of him and says he would consider signing to keep himself here for the rest of his career. I advised him not to worry about letting Spuds down, if they get steamed up I'd take the job to take the heat off of him. Thanked me in Spanish too - I think arschloch is Spanish for, my undying gratitude is extended to you and your family. I heard it a lot whilst on holiday in Munich this year.
Just waved Poochy off - came round my house for Char and a wad. Moaning about not having enough to spend on new players so I sent him off with a list I expect to see next year. Boruc, Schmeichel, Gazzanigga. (I wanted Ruddy but money being tight I went for a freebie. Chambers, Clyne, Lovren, Moshida, Fonte, Stevens, Turnbull, Lescott, Targett, Bertrand. (cost approx 7 mill) Wanyama, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Rowe, Cork, Ward-Prowse, Reed, Isgrove, Hunt, Ince (cost approx 7 mill) Lambert, Diouf, Gallagher, JRod, Gomis. We can take the world on with that squad. Of course we may not move Shaw and Lallana out but it means we could still easily afford the 14mill it would cost to field this lot. Poochy seemed a lot calmer when I put this in front of him and says he would consider signing to keep himself here for the rest of his career. I advised him not to worry about letting Spuds down, if they get steamed up I'd take the job to take the heat off of him. Thanked me in Spanish too - I think arschloch is Spanish for, my undying gratitude is extended to you and your family. I heard it a lot whilst on holiday in Munich this year. jls217
  • Score: 1

1:57pm Mon 12 May 14

Velleity says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign.
I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up.
No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled,
OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace.
Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker.
Keeper should have been ready for that, however. It was an obvious place to put it.
I wonder why we don't put a man on the post? Might not have got to it, but would have made Mata think a bit more-perhaps put him off. Seems like such a simple thing...Can understand for a cross, to help with offsides, but Mata was only ever going to shoot from there.
Because a player on the post would immediately put all of their attackers onside wherever they stood.
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign. I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up. No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled, OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace. Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker.[/p][/quote]Keeper should have been ready for that, however. It was an obvious place to put it.[/p][/quote]I wonder why we don't put a man on the post? Might not have got to it, but would have made Mata think a bit more-perhaps put him off. Seems like such a simple thing...Can understand for a cross, to help with offsides, but Mata was only ever going to shoot from there.[/p][/quote]Because a player on the post would immediately put all of their attackers onside wherever they stood. Velleity
  • Score: 3

2:00pm Mon 12 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

jls217 wrote:
Just waved Poochy off - came round my house for Char and a wad.
Moaning about not having enough to spend on new players so I sent him off with a list I expect to see next year.
Boruc, Schmeichel, Gazzanigga. (I wanted Ruddy but money being tight I went for a freebie.

Chambers, Clyne, Lovren, Moshida, Fonte, Stevens, Turnbull, Lescott, Targett, Bertrand. (cost approx 7 mill)

Wanyama, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Rowe, Cork, Ward-Prowse, Reed, Isgrove, Hunt, Ince (cost approx 7 mill)

Lambert, Diouf, Gallagher, JRod, Gomis.
We can take the world on with that squad. Of course we may not move Shaw and Lallana out but it means we could still easily afford the 14mill it would cost to field this lot.
Poochy seemed a lot calmer when I put this in front of him and says he would consider signing to keep himself here for the rest of his career. I advised him not to worry about letting Spuds down, if they get steamed up I'd take the job to take the heat off of him. Thanked me in Spanish too - I think arschloch is Spanish for, my undying gratitude is extended to you and your family. I heard it a lot whilst on holiday in Munich this year.
very good.
not sure about some of your picks though. ince went to palace and failed to even get into the team. I`m not sure he is as good as people think and he is living off of his dads name!

just seen that spuds fans who Sherwood invited onto the bench on SSN and asked if he wanted MP as manager he said only if he would bring some of his players and thinks he is a one season wonder!
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Just waved Poochy off - came round my house for Char and a wad. Moaning about not having enough to spend on new players so I sent him off with a list I expect to see next year. Boruc, Schmeichel, Gazzanigga. (I wanted Ruddy but money being tight I went for a freebie. Chambers, Clyne, Lovren, Moshida, Fonte, Stevens, Turnbull, Lescott, Targett, Bertrand. (cost approx 7 mill) Wanyama, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Rowe, Cork, Ward-Prowse, Reed, Isgrove, Hunt, Ince (cost approx 7 mill) Lambert, Diouf, Gallagher, JRod, Gomis. We can take the world on with that squad. Of course we may not move Shaw and Lallana out but it means we could still easily afford the 14mill it would cost to field this lot. Poochy seemed a lot calmer when I put this in front of him and says he would consider signing to keep himself here for the rest of his career. I advised him not to worry about letting Spuds down, if they get steamed up I'd take the job to take the heat off of him. Thanked me in Spanish too - I think arschloch is Spanish for, my undying gratitude is extended to you and your family. I heard it a lot whilst on holiday in Munich this year.[/p][/quote]very good. not sure about some of your picks though. ince went to palace and failed to even get into the team. I`m not sure he is as good as people think and he is living off of his dads name! just seen that spuds fans who Sherwood invited onto the bench on SSN and asked if he wanted MP as manager he said only if he would bring some of his players and thinks he is a one season wonder! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 2

2:05pm Mon 12 May 14

Rising_Son says...

SaintJD wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
All a bit late in my opinion - we should have forced the issue and got him sat down early before he and our stars became unsettled by concrete interest from other clubs. Adam and Luke are only human - clearly offers from Man Utd and Liverpool will be at the very least worth serious consideration by any ambitious, talented player.

We should have got MP to the table as soon as the board changes happened and, while this may potentially have happened, the tone of his news conferences and those of the club suggest not.

MP clearly doesn't seem to have been presented with the club's vision and spending plans yet, which is remarkable.

My worry is that, while if NC was here MP could feel he had loyalty to the man who put faith in him, that factor is almost reversed in this situation.

Plus, the word from the club that Reed is in charge of negotiations concerns me - not from the perspective of the guy himself but the message it sends out.

Under NC, the manager and the players had a direct line to the chairman, which must have made them feel very much part of the club's vision.

If you are negotiating with someone at a slightly lower level, that feeling of being special is diluted slightly - you're more of an employee than a partner.

That might not be the case, but it is certainly what can be expected based on Krueger's recent statements.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe this club can afford to be held to ransom or go on a banzai glory hunt trying to compete financially with the top four. If MP, Adam and Luke etc want to stay they'll have to understand that the excitement of this project is trying to break into the next level by taking a new approach - more Arsenal than Man City or Chelsea.

That means they will need to take a huge leap of faith, because anyone who thinks we can easily bridge a 23 point gap to the Champions League on our budget (no matter how high) and gates has to have huge faith in our youth set up and coaching. It would be potentially the biggest footballing achievement since Nottingham Forest over a quarter of a century ago. It's possible based on this season, but be under no illusion that we're competing on a level playing field here.
you cant force him to talk, what are you going to say to him? talk now or your sacked? MP made it clear he wanted to wait until the end of the season, that's happened and they are now talking. the new board would also need some time to get up to speed, like it or not they cant just come in and offer multi-million pound budgets without knowing everything that would affect that decision, sponsors etc.
the players will know les reed very well as he has been at the club and been dealing with them for a while now. just because he is in charge of contracts it doesn't mean the players will have no contact with the chairman and that the chairman will have no input in contract negotiations.
the 23 point gap to the top 4 isn't beyond our reach, everton almost made the jump up this season and that was mostly down to lukaku and they haven't had huge injury problems. we have a very good set of players who are able to play at a higher level, which is being proved by the amount of international call ups and the fees being bid, what we haven't had though is our moneys worth out of Osvaldo, replace him with a player who is just as good but is willing to try with the money we get from selling him and add in 3-4 new top class players and we can compete, even if we are hit with injury problems again. don't forget we finished 6pts clear of our mini league and that's with all the injuries we had and playing a raw 3rd choice keeper for 8 games, or around a quarter of the season. we don't have to aim for champs league next season, Europa will do, then we can kick on again.
I didn't say we couldn't make top four. This is about being ambitious but realistic, which is what the board, quite rightly, seem to be preaching.

Unfortunately, they are also being brutally honest (another good thing) by not wanting to over commit.

We CAN make top four, but as I said it takes a huge leap of faith by everyone concerned to commit to the project because we aren't going to be spending £100 million in the summer like City and Chelsea may well do. For MP, Adam and Luke to stay we'd have to get them massively enthused with the vision and that means a huge amount of passion and belief, because it is an exciting vision.

In terms of not being able to force someone, yep, agreed, but you can sell a vision to that person, start to get some of the pieces in place (such as signing key players on long term contracts) and maybe give a deadline for signing a lucrative deal, that may or may not be offered at a later date if he doesn't sign. We're an attractive club, we don't want to be held to random and we shouldn't be.

You suggesting sack him for not signing is taking a polar extreme view and I'm not not about polar extreme views. I'm about being realistic and, in my opinion, if you try to get Adam, Shaw and MP signed up before Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs come in for them I think you have a much better realistic chance of keeping them.

If I was MP, Adam and Luke in February and was offered a big deal to stay at Saints with a positive vision for the future and no other definite offers on the table I'd take it, no question. If you ask me to put myself in Adam and Luke's shoes now they have a big decision to make.
I think you'll find we actually have them signed up.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: All a bit late in my opinion - we should have forced the issue and got him sat down early before he and our stars became unsettled by concrete interest from other clubs. Adam and Luke are only human - clearly offers from Man Utd and Liverpool will be at the very least worth serious consideration by any ambitious, talented player. We should have got MP to the table as soon as the board changes happened and, while this may potentially have happened, the tone of his news conferences and those of the club suggest not. MP clearly doesn't seem to have been presented with the club's vision and spending plans yet, which is remarkable. My worry is that, while if NC was here MP could feel he had loyalty to the man who put faith in him, that factor is almost reversed in this situation. Plus, the word from the club that Reed is in charge of negotiations concerns me - not from the perspective of the guy himself but the message it sends out. Under NC, the manager and the players had a direct line to the chairman, which must have made them feel very much part of the club's vision. If you are negotiating with someone at a slightly lower level, that feeling of being special is diluted slightly - you're more of an employee than a partner. That might not be the case, but it is certainly what can be expected based on Krueger's recent statements. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe this club can afford to be held to ransom or go on a banzai glory hunt trying to compete financially with the top four. If MP, Adam and Luke etc want to stay they'll have to understand that the excitement of this project is trying to break into the next level by taking a new approach - more Arsenal than Man City or Chelsea. That means they will need to take a huge leap of faith, because anyone who thinks we can easily bridge a 23 point gap to the Champions League on our budget (no matter how high) and gates has to have huge faith in our youth set up and coaching. It would be potentially the biggest footballing achievement since Nottingham Forest over a quarter of a century ago. It's possible based on this season, but be under no illusion that we're competing on a level playing field here.[/p][/quote]you cant force him to talk, what are you going to say to him? talk now or your sacked? MP made it clear he wanted to wait until the end of the season, that's happened and they are now talking. the new board would also need some time to get up to speed, like it or not they cant just come in and offer multi-million pound budgets without knowing everything that would affect that decision, sponsors etc. the players will know les reed very well as he has been at the club and been dealing with them for a while now. just because he is in charge of contracts it doesn't mean the players will have no contact with the chairman and that the chairman will have no input in contract negotiations. the 23 point gap to the top 4 isn't beyond our reach, everton almost made the jump up this season and that was mostly down to lukaku and they haven't had huge injury problems. we have a very good set of players who are able to play at a higher level, which is being proved by the amount of international call ups and the fees being bid, what we haven't had though is our moneys worth out of Osvaldo, replace him with a player who is just as good but is willing to try with the money we get from selling him and add in 3-4 new top class players and we can compete, even if we are hit with injury problems again. don't forget we finished 6pts clear of our mini league and that's with all the injuries we had and playing a raw 3rd choice keeper for 8 games, or around a quarter of the season. we don't have to aim for champs league next season, Europa will do, then we can kick on again.[/p][/quote]I didn't say we couldn't make top four. This is about being ambitious but realistic, which is what the board, quite rightly, seem to be preaching. Unfortunately, they are also being brutally honest (another good thing) by not wanting to over commit. We CAN make top four, but as I said it takes a huge leap of faith by everyone concerned to commit to the project because we aren't going to be spending £100 million in the summer like City and Chelsea may well do. For MP, Adam and Luke to stay we'd have to get them massively enthused with the vision and that means a huge amount of passion and belief, because it is an exciting vision. In terms of not being able to force someone, yep, agreed, but you can sell a vision to that person, start to get some of the pieces in place (such as signing key players on long term contracts) and maybe give a deadline for signing a lucrative deal, that may or may not be offered at a later date if he doesn't sign. We're an attractive club, we don't want to be held to random and we shouldn't be. You suggesting sack him for not signing is taking a polar extreme view and I'm not not about polar extreme views. I'm about being realistic and, in my opinion, if you try to get Adam, Shaw and MP signed up before Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs come in for them I think you have a much better realistic chance of keeping them. If I was MP, Adam and Luke in February and was offered a big deal to stay at Saints with a positive vision for the future and no other definite offers on the table I'd take it, no question. If you ask me to put myself in Adam and Luke's shoes now they have a big decision to make.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find we actually have them signed up. Rising_Son
  • Score: 3

2:15pm Mon 12 May 14

jls217 says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Just waved Poochy off - came round my house for Char and a wad.
Moaning about not having enough to spend on new players so I sent him off with a list I expect to see next year.
Boruc, Schmeichel, Gazzanigga. (I wanted Ruddy but money being tight I went for a freebie.

Chambers, Clyne, Lovren, Moshida, Fonte, Stevens, Turnbull, Lescott, Targett, Bertrand. (cost approx 7 mill)

Wanyama, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Rowe, Cork, Ward-Prowse, Reed, Isgrove, Hunt, Ince (cost approx 7 mill)

Lambert, Diouf, Gallagher, JRod, Gomis.
We can take the world on with that squad. Of course we may not move Shaw and Lallana out but it means we could still easily afford the 14mill it would cost to field this lot.
Poochy seemed a lot calmer when I put this in front of him and says he would consider signing to keep himself here for the rest of his career. I advised him not to worry about letting Spuds down, if they get steamed up I'd take the job to take the heat off of him. Thanked me in Spanish too - I think arschloch is Spanish for, my undying gratitude is extended to you and your family. I heard it a lot whilst on holiday in Munich this year.
very good.
not sure about some of your picks though. ince went to palace and failed to even get into the team. I`m not sure he is as good as people think and he is living off of his dads name!

just seen that spuds fans who Sherwood invited onto the bench on SSN and asked if he wanted MP as manager he said only if he would bring some of his players and thinks he is a one season wonder!
Let's hope the rest of the world agree with Spurs new asst manager then. Let's start putting it about that Poochy is a hate-filled anglophobe with no clue how to buy and sell or coach players as he can't speak English and any other sort of neg crap we can dream up - It's a cunning stunt and it just might head em off to Bonymuff to snap this Eddie Who geezer we keep hearing about.

Team all about opinions I guess but there are four internationals brought in there for no money at all which if they were in contract would've cost a packet between them. Decided to put the best of the youth set up in as fillers - there are a lot more going for free in the Euro leagues who could've gone in and if Poochy wasn't such a stingy bugger I would've bought a few more promising youngsters in Ings, Mcmanaman, Cresswell to name a few. I'm wasted as a sanitation technician on a Solent dredger. Decided to send my CV to spuds regardless - get that little winker off of Sherwood's back.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Just waved Poochy off - came round my house for Char and a wad. Moaning about not having enough to spend on new players so I sent him off with a list I expect to see next year. Boruc, Schmeichel, Gazzanigga. (I wanted Ruddy but money being tight I went for a freebie. Chambers, Clyne, Lovren, Moshida, Fonte, Stevens, Turnbull, Lescott, Targett, Bertrand. (cost approx 7 mill) Wanyama, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Rowe, Cork, Ward-Prowse, Reed, Isgrove, Hunt, Ince (cost approx 7 mill) Lambert, Diouf, Gallagher, JRod, Gomis. We can take the world on with that squad. Of course we may not move Shaw and Lallana out but it means we could still easily afford the 14mill it would cost to field this lot. Poochy seemed a lot calmer when I put this in front of him and says he would consider signing to keep himself here for the rest of his career. I advised him not to worry about letting Spuds down, if they get steamed up I'd take the job to take the heat off of him. Thanked me in Spanish too - I think arschloch is Spanish for, my undying gratitude is extended to you and your family. I heard it a lot whilst on holiday in Munich this year.[/p][/quote]very good. not sure about some of your picks though. ince went to palace and failed to even get into the team. I`m not sure he is as good as people think and he is living off of his dads name! just seen that spuds fans who Sherwood invited onto the bench on SSN and asked if he wanted MP as manager he said only if he would bring some of his players and thinks he is a one season wonder![/p][/quote]Let's hope the rest of the world agree with Spurs new asst manager then. Let's start putting it about that Poochy is a hate-filled anglophobe with no clue how to buy and sell or coach players as he can't speak English and any other sort of neg crap we can dream up - It's a cunning stunt and it just might head em off to Bonymuff to snap this Eddie Who geezer we keep hearing about. Team all about opinions I guess but there are four internationals brought in there for no money at all which if they were in contract would've cost a packet between them. Decided to put the best of the youth set up in as fillers - there are a lot more going for free in the Euro leagues who could've gone in and if Poochy wasn't such a stingy bugger I would've bought a few more promising youngsters in Ings, Mcmanaman, Cresswell to name a few. I'm wasted as a sanitation technician on a Solent dredger. Decided to send my CV to spuds regardless - get that little winker off of Sherwood's back. jls217
  • Score: 1

2:16pm Mon 12 May 14

BracknellSaint says...

Velleity wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign.
I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up.
No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled,
OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace.
Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker.
Keeper should have been ready for that, however. It was an obvious place to put it.
I wonder why we don't put a man on the post? Might not have got to it, but would have made Mata think a bit more-perhaps put him off. Seems like such a simple thing...Can understand for a cross, to help with offsides, but Mata was only ever going to shoot from there.
Because a player on the post would immediately put all of their attackers onside wherever they stood.
But if he's going to shoot, clearly, then surely it is more of a risk to leave the goal open?
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign. I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up. No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled, OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace. Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker.[/p][/quote]Keeper should have been ready for that, however. It was an obvious place to put it.[/p][/quote]I wonder why we don't put a man on the post? Might not have got to it, but would have made Mata think a bit more-perhaps put him off. Seems like such a simple thing...Can understand for a cross, to help with offsides, but Mata was only ever going to shoot from there.[/p][/quote]Because a player on the post would immediately put all of their attackers onside wherever they stood.[/p][/quote]But if he's going to shoot, clearly, then surely it is more of a risk to leave the goal open? BracknellSaint
  • Score: 0

2:39pm Mon 12 May 14

Costa Baz says...

http://www.nytimes.c
om/interactive/2014/
05/11/upshot/up-socc
er-table.html?smid=t
w-share&smv2

League table based on English scorers. Man City relegated!!!
http://www.nytimes.c om/interactive/2014/ 05/11/upshot/up-socc er-table.html?smid=t w-share&smv2 League table based on English scorers. Man City relegated!!! Costa Baz
  • Score: 4

2:42pm Mon 12 May 14

Velleity says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
Velleity wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign.
I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up.
No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled,
OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace.
Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker.
Keeper should have been ready for that, however. It was an obvious place to put it.
I wonder why we don't put a man on the post? Might not have got to it, but would have made Mata think a bit more-perhaps put him off. Seems like such a simple thing...Can understand for a cross, to help with offsides, but Mata was only ever going to shoot from there.
Because a player on the post would immediately put all of their attackers onside wherever they stood.
But if he's going to shoot, clearly, then surely it is more of a risk to leave the goal open?
Fair comment but the moment you put someone on the line, the attacking team would all move forward into the six-yeard box and he'd do a hard cross/shoot into them for a direct goal/deflection/head
er. It'd be a nightmare to defend.
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign. I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up. No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled, OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace. Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker.[/p][/quote]Keeper should have been ready for that, however. It was an obvious place to put it.[/p][/quote]I wonder why we don't put a man on the post? Might not have got to it, but would have made Mata think a bit more-perhaps put him off. Seems like such a simple thing...Can understand for a cross, to help with offsides, but Mata was only ever going to shoot from there.[/p][/quote]Because a player on the post would immediately put all of their attackers onside wherever they stood.[/p][/quote]But if he's going to shoot, clearly, then surely it is more of a risk to leave the goal open?[/p][/quote]Fair comment but the moment you put someone on the line, the attacking team would all move forward into the six-yeard box and he'd do a hard cross/shoot into them for a direct goal/deflection/head er. It'd be a nightmare to defend. Velleity
  • Score: 2

2:47pm Mon 12 May 14

scorpioeyes says...

we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so?
we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so? scorpioeyes
  • Score: -8

2:51pm Mon 12 May 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Agree with some early posts MoPo & Adam are central to the team unity to go forward so both must be convinced to stay on. Luke if possible for at least one more season, he may be less of a loss after that when we have improved another year on.
But DO NOT sell our top players before the World Cup as they will be worth more after it and increases Saints profile for attracting new players.
Come on Les & Ralph do your job now and get them settled here.
Agree with some early posts MoPo & Adam are central to the team unity to go forward so both must be convinced to stay on. Luke if possible for at least one more season, he may be less of a loss after that when we have improved another year on. But DO NOT sell our top players before the World Cup as they will be worth more after it and increases Saints profile for attracting new players. Come on Les & Ralph do your job now and get them settled here. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 0

2:51pm Mon 12 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign.
I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up.
No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled,
OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace.
Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker.
Keeper should have been ready for that, however. It was an obvious place to put it.
I wonder why we don't put a man on the post? Might not have got to it, but would have made Mata think a bit more-perhaps put him off. Seems like such a simple thing...Can understand for a cross, to help with offsides, but Mata was only ever going to shoot from there.
I thought the same when watching the highlights, I suspect they didn't consider it would work, I did think Artur hadn't positioned himself correctly, Mata probably put the ball in the one place that it couldn't be reached, it took immense skill to get the ball over the wall and down enough to go under the bar and also inside the post. Very rare that this actually works and it was done to perfection, but we have seen Rickie do it often enough.
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign. I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up. No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled, OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace. Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker.[/p][/quote]Keeper should have been ready for that, however. It was an obvious place to put it.[/p][/quote]I wonder why we don't put a man on the post? Might not have got to it, but would have made Mata think a bit more-perhaps put him off. Seems like such a simple thing...Can understand for a cross, to help with offsides, but Mata was only ever going to shoot from there.[/p][/quote]I thought the same when watching the highlights, I suspect they didn't consider it would work, I did think Artur hadn't positioned himself correctly, Mata probably put the ball in the one place that it couldn't be reached, it took immense skill to get the ball over the wall and down enough to go under the bar and also inside the post. Very rare that this actually works and it was done to perfection, but we have seen Rickie do it often enough. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

2:56pm Mon 12 May 14

montecristosaint says...

Crossley Place Saint wrote:
This is what worries me: after a brilliant season, magnificent 8th place, etc etc we have finished 23 points above the relegation places. But look at that league table a bit more closely: we have also finished 23 points behind 4th place. That is a measure of how much further we need to improve to start thinking about qualifying for Europe and the Champions League. It is going to cost a LOT of money to move up to the next level. If Mopo decides to move to a bigger and richer club then you can understand why.

STID (but not looking forward to the summer).
big reports here in Portugal suggesting Saints want totake Rafa Silva ,an exciting 20 yr old attacking mid from S Braga.Hopefully not as a replacement for Lallana, but he is a similar player.
[quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: This is what worries me: after a brilliant season, magnificent 8th place, etc etc we have finished 23 points above the relegation places. But look at that league table a bit more closely: we have also finished 23 points behind 4th place. That is a measure of how much further we need to improve to start thinking about qualifying for Europe and the Champions League. It is going to cost a LOT of money to move up to the next level. If Mopo decides to move to a bigger and richer club then you can understand why. STID (but not looking forward to the summer).[/p][/quote]big reports here in Portugal suggesting Saints want totake Rafa Silva ,an exciting 20 yr old attacking mid from S Braga.Hopefully not as a replacement for Lallana, but he is a similar player. montecristosaint
  • Score: 2

2:56pm Mon 12 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Is Poch favourite for the West Brom job yet, their gaffer has walked?
Is Poch favourite for the West Brom job yet, their gaffer has walked? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

3:02pm Mon 12 May 14

lowe esteem says...

SaintJD wrote:
All a bit late in my opinion - we should have forced the issue and got him sat down early before he and our stars became unsettled by concrete interest from other clubs. Adam and Luke are only human - clearly offers from Man Utd and Liverpool will be at the very least worth serious consideration by any ambitious, talented player.

We should have got MP to the table as soon as the board changes happened and, while this may potentially have happened, the tone of his news conferences and those of the club suggest not.

MP clearly doesn't seem to have been presented with the club's vision and spending plans yet, which is remarkable.

My worry is that, while if NC was here MP could feel he had loyalty to the man who put faith in him, that factor is almost reversed in this situation.

Plus, the word from the club that Reed is in charge of negotiations concerns me - not from the perspective of the guy himself but the message it sends out.

Under NC, the manager and the players had a direct line to the chairman, which must have made them feel very much part of the club's vision.

If you are negotiating with someone at a slightly lower level, that feeling of being special is diluted slightly - you're more of an employee than a partner.

That might not be the case, but it is certainly what can be expected based on Krueger's recent statements.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe this club can afford to be held to ransom or go on a banzai glory hunt trying to compete financially with the top four. If MP, Adam and Luke etc want to stay they'll have to understand that the excitement of this project is trying to break into the next level by taking a new approach - more Arsenal than Man City or Chelsea.

That means they will need to take a huge leap of faith, because anyone who thinks we can easily bridge a 23 point gap to the Champions League on our budget (no matter how high) and gates has to have huge faith in our youth set up and coaching. It would be potentially the biggest footballing achievement since Nottingham Forest over a quarter of a century ago. It's possible based on this season, but be under no illusion that we're competing on a level playing field here.
You talk a lot of sense. Class.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: All a bit late in my opinion - we should have forced the issue and got him sat down early before he and our stars became unsettled by concrete interest from other clubs. Adam and Luke are only human - clearly offers from Man Utd and Liverpool will be at the very least worth serious consideration by any ambitious, talented player. We should have got MP to the table as soon as the board changes happened and, while this may potentially have happened, the tone of his news conferences and those of the club suggest not. MP clearly doesn't seem to have been presented with the club's vision and spending plans yet, which is remarkable. My worry is that, while if NC was here MP could feel he had loyalty to the man who put faith in him, that factor is almost reversed in this situation. Plus, the word from the club that Reed is in charge of negotiations concerns me - not from the perspective of the guy himself but the message it sends out. Under NC, the manager and the players had a direct line to the chairman, which must have made them feel very much part of the club's vision. If you are negotiating with someone at a slightly lower level, that feeling of being special is diluted slightly - you're more of an employee than a partner. That might not be the case, but it is certainly what can be expected based on Krueger's recent statements. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe this club can afford to be held to ransom or go on a banzai glory hunt trying to compete financially with the top four. If MP, Adam and Luke etc want to stay they'll have to understand that the excitement of this project is trying to break into the next level by taking a new approach - more Arsenal than Man City or Chelsea. That means they will need to take a huge leap of faith, because anyone who thinks we can easily bridge a 23 point gap to the Champions League on our budget (no matter how high) and gates has to have huge faith in our youth set up and coaching. It would be potentially the biggest footballing achievement since Nottingham Forest over a quarter of a century ago. It's possible based on this season, but be under no illusion that we're competing on a level playing field here.[/p][/quote]You talk a lot of sense. Class. lowe esteem
  • Score: 2

3:05pm Mon 12 May 14

lowe esteem says...

simmosailor wrote:
Consider this. 27 million for LS, 15 million for AL, 18million for 8th place.
60 million war chest. That is some hammer to weild in the transfer market, (and that's without dipping into our own coffers!)and which of Saints directors/owner would then not say to MP, we'll give you a contract you want, and a good 5 yr plan to boot. Or am i a saints fan for 60 yrs , a dreamer?
Spend spend spend eh? No Class.
[quote][p][bold]simmosailor[/bold] wrote: Consider this. 27 million for LS, 15 million for AL, 18million for 8th place. 60 million war chest. That is some hammer to weild in the transfer market, (and that's without dipping into our own coffers!)and which of Saints directors/owner would then not say to MP, we'll give you a contract you want, and a good 5 yr plan to boot. Or am i a saints fan for 60 yrs , a dreamer?[/p][/quote]Spend spend spend eh? No Class. lowe esteem
  • Score: 0

3:13pm Mon 12 May 14

SaintJD says...

Rising_Son wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
All a bit late in my opinion - we should have forced the issue and got him sat down early before he and our stars became unsettled by concrete interest from other clubs. Adam and Luke are only human - clearly offers from Man Utd and Liverpool will be at the very least worth serious consideration by any ambitious, talented player.

We should have got MP to the table as soon as the board changes happened and, while this may potentially have happened, the tone of his news conferences and those of the club suggest not.

MP clearly doesn't seem to have been presented with the club's vision and spending plans yet, which is remarkable.

My worry is that, while if NC was here MP could feel he had loyalty to the man who put faith in him, that factor is almost reversed in this situation.

Plus, the word from the club that Reed is in charge of negotiations concerns me - not from the perspective of the guy himself but the message it sends out.

Under NC, the manager and the players had a direct line to the chairman, which must have made them feel very much part of the club's vision.

If you are negotiating with someone at a slightly lower level, that feeling of being special is diluted slightly - you're more of an employee than a partner.

That might not be the case, but it is certainly what can be expected based on Krueger's recent statements.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe this club can afford to be held to ransom or go on a banzai glory hunt trying to compete financially with the top four. If MP, Adam and Luke etc want to stay they'll have to understand that the excitement of this project is trying to break into the next level by taking a new approach - more Arsenal than Man City or Chelsea.

That means they will need to take a huge leap of faith, because anyone who thinks we can easily bridge a 23 point gap to the Champions League on our budget (no matter how high) and gates has to have huge faith in our youth set up and coaching. It would be potentially the biggest footballing achievement since Nottingham Forest over a quarter of a century ago. It's possible based on this season, but be under no illusion that we're competing on a level playing field here.
you cant force him to talk, what are you going to say to him? talk now or your sacked? MP made it clear he wanted to wait until the end of the season, that's happened and they are now talking. the new board would also need some time to get up to speed, like it or not they cant just come in and offer multi-million pound budgets without knowing everything that would affect that decision, sponsors etc.
the players will know les reed very well as he has been at the club and been dealing with them for a while now. just because he is in charge of contracts it doesn't mean the players will have no contact with the chairman and that the chairman will have no input in contract negotiations.
the 23 point gap to the top 4 isn't beyond our reach, everton almost made the jump up this season and that was mostly down to lukaku and they haven't had huge injury problems. we have a very good set of players who are able to play at a higher level, which is being proved by the amount of international call ups and the fees being bid, what we haven't had though is our moneys worth out of Osvaldo, replace him with a player who is just as good but is willing to try with the money we get from selling him and add in 3-4 new top class players and we can compete, even if we are hit with injury problems again. don't forget we finished 6pts clear of our mini league and that's with all the injuries we had and playing a raw 3rd choice keeper for 8 games, or around a quarter of the season. we don't have to aim for champs league next season, Europa will do, then we can kick on again.
I didn't say we couldn't make top four. This is about being ambitious but realistic, which is what the board, quite rightly, seem to be preaching.

Unfortunately, they are also being brutally honest (another good thing) by not wanting to over commit.

We CAN make top four, but as I said it takes a huge leap of faith by everyone concerned to commit to the project because we aren't going to be spending £100 million in the summer like City and Chelsea may well do. For MP, Adam and Luke to stay we'd have to get them massively enthused with the vision and that means a huge amount of passion and belief, because it is an exciting vision.

In terms of not being able to force someone, yep, agreed, but you can sell a vision to that person, start to get some of the pieces in place (such as signing key players on long term contracts) and maybe give a deadline for signing a lucrative deal, that may or may not be offered at a later date if he doesn't sign. We're an attractive club, we don't want to be held to random and we shouldn't be.

You suggesting sack him for not signing is taking a polar extreme view and I'm not not about polar extreme views. I'm about being realistic and, in my opinion, if you try to get Adam, Shaw and MP signed up before Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs come in for them I think you have a much better realistic chance of keeping them.

If I was MP, Adam and Luke in February and was offered a big deal to stay at Saints with a positive vision for the future and no other definite offers on the table I'd take it, no question. If you ask me to put myself in Adam and Luke's shoes now they have a big decision to make.
I think you'll find we actually have them signed up.
Cortese clearly was very successful in signing players up not just on paper but in their hearts and minds as well, which is part of the reason we retained these guys during several seasons out of the top flight. They were playing below their level, but they truly believed they were going somewhere. I'm not taking any sides in terms of NC here, but you have to respect his ability to sell his vision, sparing no expense on plush pre-season facilities and pre-match arrangements - he created a big club mentality and that has made us believe.

The talk since has been sensible, prudent and responsible, which I think you have to respect because we need to live within our means, but I'm concerned that they haven't sold their vision to the manager and players with enough passion and urgency. I don't doubt that they are good people with the club totally at heart, I just think they've been slightly naive.

I really hope I'm wrong though and if they manage to hold on to MP I'll be absolutely elated, regardless of if we have to lose the odd player this summer.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: All a bit late in my opinion - we should have forced the issue and got him sat down early before he and our stars became unsettled by concrete interest from other clubs. Adam and Luke are only human - clearly offers from Man Utd and Liverpool will be at the very least worth serious consideration by any ambitious, talented player. We should have got MP to the table as soon as the board changes happened and, while this may potentially have happened, the tone of his news conferences and those of the club suggest not. MP clearly doesn't seem to have been presented with the club's vision and spending plans yet, which is remarkable. My worry is that, while if NC was here MP could feel he had loyalty to the man who put faith in him, that factor is almost reversed in this situation. Plus, the word from the club that Reed is in charge of negotiations concerns me - not from the perspective of the guy himself but the message it sends out. Under NC, the manager and the players had a direct line to the chairman, which must have made them feel very much part of the club's vision. If you are negotiating with someone at a slightly lower level, that feeling of being special is diluted slightly - you're more of an employee than a partner. That might not be the case, but it is certainly what can be expected based on Krueger's recent statements. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe this club can afford to be held to ransom or go on a banzai glory hunt trying to compete financially with the top four. If MP, Adam and Luke etc want to stay they'll have to understand that the excitement of this project is trying to break into the next level by taking a new approach - more Arsenal than Man City or Chelsea. That means they will need to take a huge leap of faith, because anyone who thinks we can easily bridge a 23 point gap to the Champions League on our budget (no matter how high) and gates has to have huge faith in our youth set up and coaching. It would be potentially the biggest footballing achievement since Nottingham Forest over a quarter of a century ago. It's possible based on this season, but be under no illusion that we're competing on a level playing field here.[/p][/quote]you cant force him to talk, what are you going to say to him? talk now or your sacked? MP made it clear he wanted to wait until the end of the season, that's happened and they are now talking. the new board would also need some time to get up to speed, like it or not they cant just come in and offer multi-million pound budgets without knowing everything that would affect that decision, sponsors etc. the players will know les reed very well as he has been at the club and been dealing with them for a while now. just because he is in charge of contracts it doesn't mean the players will have no contact with the chairman and that the chairman will have no input in contract negotiations. the 23 point gap to the top 4 isn't beyond our reach, everton almost made the jump up this season and that was mostly down to lukaku and they haven't had huge injury problems. we have a very good set of players who are able to play at a higher level, which is being proved by the amount of international call ups and the fees being bid, what we haven't had though is our moneys worth out of Osvaldo, replace him with a player who is just as good but is willing to try with the money we get from selling him and add in 3-4 new top class players and we can compete, even if we are hit with injury problems again. don't forget we finished 6pts clear of our mini league and that's with all the injuries we had and playing a raw 3rd choice keeper for 8 games, or around a quarter of the season. we don't have to aim for champs league next season, Europa will do, then we can kick on again.[/p][/quote]I didn't say we couldn't make top four. This is about being ambitious but realistic, which is what the board, quite rightly, seem to be preaching. Unfortunately, they are also being brutally honest (another good thing) by not wanting to over commit. We CAN make top four, but as I said it takes a huge leap of faith by everyone concerned to commit to the project because we aren't going to be spending £100 million in the summer like City and Chelsea may well do. For MP, Adam and Luke to stay we'd have to get them massively enthused with the vision and that means a huge amount of passion and belief, because it is an exciting vision. In terms of not being able to force someone, yep, agreed, but you can sell a vision to that person, start to get some of the pieces in place (such as signing key players on long term contracts) and maybe give a deadline for signing a lucrative deal, that may or may not be offered at a later date if he doesn't sign. We're an attractive club, we don't want to be held to random and we shouldn't be. You suggesting sack him for not signing is taking a polar extreme view and I'm not not about polar extreme views. I'm about being realistic and, in my opinion, if you try to get Adam, Shaw and MP signed up before Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs come in for them I think you have a much better realistic chance of keeping them. If I was MP, Adam and Luke in February and was offered a big deal to stay at Saints with a positive vision for the future and no other definite offers on the table I'd take it, no question. If you ask me to put myself in Adam and Luke's shoes now they have a big decision to make.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find we actually have them signed up.[/p][/quote]Cortese clearly was very successful in signing players up not just on paper but in their hearts and minds as well, which is part of the reason we retained these guys during several seasons out of the top flight. They were playing below their level, but they truly believed they were going somewhere. I'm not taking any sides in terms of NC here, but you have to respect his ability to sell his vision, sparing no expense on plush pre-season facilities and pre-match arrangements - he created a big club mentality and that has made us believe. The talk since has been sensible, prudent and responsible, which I think you have to respect because we need to live within our means, but I'm concerned that they haven't sold their vision to the manager and players with enough passion and urgency. I don't doubt that they are good people with the club totally at heart, I just think they've been slightly naive. I really hope I'm wrong though and if they manage to hold on to MP I'll be absolutely elated, regardless of if we have to lose the odd player this summer. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

3:14pm Mon 12 May 14

montecristosaint says...

notaclue wrote:
It all comes down to two things.

1) Les Reed the football brain and Saints negotiator who is on the board.
2) KL and what she decides to aim for.

I don't think Saints will spend big and I don' think they need to, just bring through 4 or 5 young players a year top that up by buying one or two quaity players and in a couple of years you will have a top six team.

We don't need to buy a new team every year, or waste £15m on buying Italians!!
big reports here in Portugal suggesting Saints want totake Rafa Silva ,an exciting 20 yr old attacking mid from S Braga.Hopefully not as a replacement for Lallana, but he is a similar player.
I dont share your fatih in Les Reed i think he is out of his depth dealing the press contracts and signings. Hes no financial wizard, compare him to Nicola for gods sake.And I am not a fan of Krueger either what is he doing as chairman when he has no admin or finance experience,these two sound like weak yes men compared to the wonderfully dynamic Cortese. Can you imagine the press misbehaving with him in charge of the club? Of course not , now hes gone the press are busy publishing disinformation on a daily baisis to soften the club up for a fire sale of its top players.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: It all comes down to two things. 1) Les Reed the football brain and Saints negotiator who is on the board. 2) KL and what she decides to aim for. I don't think Saints will spend big and I don' think they need to, just bring through 4 or 5 young players a year top that up by buying one or two quaity players and in a couple of years you will have a top six team. We don't need to buy a new team every year, or waste £15m on buying Italians!![/p][/quote]big reports here in Portugal suggesting Saints want totake Rafa Silva ,an exciting 20 yr old attacking mid from S Braga.Hopefully not as a replacement for Lallana, but he is a similar player. I dont share your fatih in Les Reed i think he is out of his depth dealing the press contracts and signings. Hes no financial wizard, compare him to Nicola for gods sake.And I am not a fan of Krueger either what is he doing as chairman when he has no admin or finance experience,these two sound like weak yes men compared to the wonderfully dynamic Cortese. Can you imagine the press misbehaving with him in charge of the club? Of course not , now hes gone the press are busy publishing disinformation on a daily baisis to soften the club up for a fire sale of its top players. montecristosaint
  • Score: -8

3:24pm Mon 12 May 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

Bwana23 wrote:
Sell Luke to Chelsea and take Cole and Lukaka in part exchange!! Gives as a good LB and a proficient striker!!
for 1 season then Cole leaves. This is about showing our Academy that we want to develop you into the first team and play you all not for you to get there and leave after doing well! The club doesn't need to sell so all this talk of players leaving is all agent talk and rumour mill. The fact is if the board say we want to be in the Champions league and the manager has the funds to spend to get us there then everyone will be happy to stay.

Shaw is in the World Cup squad because of Southampton he owes the club another season but is contracted for a good few more. We only sell him if we feel £30m for a left back is good business if we can develop another one for £5m who would be as good. Look how good Clyne has been on the right side and he is also tipped for England. Shaw is great but he does have a value that the club can't ignore.
[quote][p][bold]Bwana23[/bold] wrote: Sell Luke to Chelsea and take Cole and Lukaka in part exchange!! Gives as a good LB and a proficient striker!![/p][/quote]for 1 season then Cole leaves. This is about showing our Academy that we want to develop you into the first team and play you all not for you to get there and leave after doing well! The club doesn't need to sell so all this talk of players leaving is all agent talk and rumour mill. The fact is if the board say we want to be in the Champions league and the manager has the funds to spend to get us there then everyone will be happy to stay. Shaw is in the World Cup squad because of Southampton he owes the club another season but is contracted for a good few more. We only sell him if we feel £30m for a left back is good business if we can develop another one for £5m who would be as good. Look how good Clyne has been on the right side and he is also tipped for England. Shaw is great but he does have a value that the club can't ignore. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 3

3:30pm Mon 12 May 14

SaintSteve76 says...

Please hurry up and sign on the line poch! The fans love you plus we need you at the club to take us forward to the next level. I'd just like to point out that had wanyama and boruc not been injured for so long I really do feel feel that we would have finished in the top 6. Take a look at the points we dropped when these two were out of the team compared to when they were available. Also, we can't allow any team to buy lallana and/or Shaw unless an extortionate amount of money is offered. Shaw will go on to become the best left back in the world and his value will rocket over the next few years and you certainly wouldn't be able to bring in anyone as good as him. Same with lallana unless you bought someone from a top top side which obviously seems very unlikely. We need to be ccompeting with these teams not selling our best players to them! If we sell, what was the point in producing such a great side and buying players like wanyama and Osvaldo even though that particular signing didn't work out. Please keep this side together and sign poch up to a new contract. Don't just let the Man Us and Liverpool's etc get what they want.
Please hurry up and sign on the line poch! The fans love you plus we need you at the club to take us forward to the next level. I'd just like to point out that had wanyama and boruc not been injured for so long I really do feel feel that we would have finished in the top 6. Take a look at the points we dropped when these two were out of the team compared to when they were available. Also, we can't allow any team to buy lallana and/or Shaw unless an extortionate amount of money is offered. Shaw will go on to become the best left back in the world and his value will rocket over the next few years and you certainly wouldn't be able to bring in anyone as good as him. Same with lallana unless you bought someone from a top top side which obviously seems very unlikely. We need to be ccompeting with these teams not selling our best players to them! If we sell, what was the point in producing such a great side and buying players like wanyama and Osvaldo even though that particular signing didn't work out. Please keep this side together and sign poch up to a new contract. Don't just let the Man Us and Liverpool's etc get what they want. SaintSteve76
  • Score: 5

4:04pm Mon 12 May 14

milton road says...

Think this was the real sticking point between NC and KL and the real reason that NC left which was quoted by only 1 paper that I know of. That KL wanted more financial restraint, whilst NC wanted to financially go for the dream.
Add to that Kruger's ill timed remark about being in a difficult situation which won't happen again and its fueled the media and rivals that Saints are ready to sell and financially unstable nothing more could be farther from the truth. yet it was all they needed to run riot with one story after another.
We actually have the player that could take Adam's place if he kept fit and played to potential in Ramirez. They are too similar to play regularly together.
Adam has though stated this doesn't mean the end of his career with Saints.
Les Reed's statement was trying to close the door that Kruger opened with his stupid remark
At the end of the day we control the price for our players and whether or not they leave I hope everyone stays including MP
Think this was the real sticking point between NC and KL and the real reason that NC left which was quoted by only 1 paper that I know of. That KL wanted more financial restraint, whilst NC wanted to financially go for the dream. Add to that Kruger's ill timed remark about being in a difficult situation which won't happen again and its fueled the media and rivals that Saints are ready to sell and financially unstable nothing more could be farther from the truth. yet it was all they needed to run riot with one story after another. We actually have the player that could take Adam's place if he kept fit and played to potential in Ramirez. They are too similar to play regularly together. Adam has though stated this doesn't mean the end of his career with Saints. Les Reed's statement was trying to close the door that Kruger opened with his stupid remark At the end of the day we control the price for our players and whether or not they leave I hope everyone stays including MP milton road
  • Score: 5

4:25pm Mon 12 May 14

Steve_N says...

kiddynamite wrote:
Poch, Luke and Adam will all leave for bigger better things and you know it!
I know the season's only just finished but I for one will just be relieved when the transfer window closes and all this bl@@dy speculation and rumour is over and we can get on with supporting the mighty Saints. It's doing my head in. If I could go and lay down in a darkened room until the end of August, believe me I would. UTS
[quote][p][bold]kiddynamite[/bold] wrote: Poch, Luke and Adam will all leave for bigger better things and you know it![/p][/quote]I know the season's only just finished but I for one will just be relieved when the transfer window closes and all this bl@@dy speculation and rumour is over and we can get on with supporting the mighty Saints. It's doing my head in. If I could go and lay down in a darkened room until the end of August, believe me I would. UTS Steve_N
  • Score: 1

4:28pm Mon 12 May 14

Steve_N says...

I know the season's only just finished but I for one will just be relieved when the transfer window closes and all this bl@@dy speculation and rumour is over and we can get on with supporting the mighty Saints. It's doing my head in. If I could go and lay down in a darkened room until the end of August, believe me I would. UTS
I know the season's only just finished but I for one will just be relieved when the transfer window closes and all this bl@@dy speculation and rumour is over and we can get on with supporting the mighty Saints. It's doing my head in. If I could go and lay down in a darkened room until the end of August, believe me I would. UTS Steve_N
  • Score: 2

4:38pm Mon 12 May 14

Costa Baz says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Is Poch favourite for the West Brom job yet, their gaffer has walked?
Didn't MP cite Pepe Mel as his "mentor"?

If MP doesn't sign, the board might see him as a replacement!!! 😧😧😧
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Is Poch favourite for the West Brom job yet, their gaffer has walked?[/p][/quote]Didn't MP cite Pepe Mel as his "mentor"? If MP doesn't sign, the board might see him as a replacement!!! 😧😧😧 Costa Baz
  • Score: -1

4:52pm Mon 12 May 14

Bingo from Sholing says...

Pochettino has of course performed vey well, along with the players This kind of public announcement of negotiations with him is however bad form, and unprofessional. It should not be necessary to publicly state that Pochettino has been offered a new deal. I am seriously questioning the calibre of the new executive board on a day that should only be concerned with celebration!
Pochettino has of course performed vey well, along with the players This kind of public announcement of negotiations with him is however bad form, and unprofessional. It should not be necessary to publicly state that Pochettino has been offered a new deal. I am seriously questioning the calibre of the new executive board on a day that should only be concerned with celebration! Bingo from Sholing
  • Score: -2

4:57pm Mon 12 May 14

alanstreet46 says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
Everybody stays.... everybody wins!
Get real Mr Norway. With all the vultures circling, if I were a betting man, I'd be prepared to bet that it'll be impossible to keep the current team together for next season. It looks pretty certain that Shaw will be away and quite possibly Lallana too, particularly if they impress in Brazil. A great pity but we just have to face up to the fact that our Academy is so successful in bringing on new talent, so much so that the 'Big Clubs' find it more viable to lure our best players away with the promise of higher salaries and the prospect of European football than to bring on youngsters of their own.
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Everybody stays.... everybody wins![/p][/quote]Get real Mr Norway. With all the vultures circling, if I were a betting man, I'd be prepared to bet that it'll be impossible to keep the current team together for next season. It looks pretty certain that Shaw will be away and quite possibly Lallana too, particularly if they impress in Brazil. A great pity but we just have to face up to the fact that our Academy is so successful in bringing on new talent, so much so that the 'Big Clubs' find it more viable to lure our best players away with the promise of higher salaries and the prospect of European football than to bring on youngsters of their own. alanstreet46
  • Score: -2

5:02pm Mon 12 May 14

Steve_N says...

Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Is Poch favourite for the West Brom job yet, their gaffer has walked?
Didn't MP cite Pepe Mel as his "mentor"?

If MP doesn't sign, the board might see him as a replacement!!! 😧😧😧
Nooooooooooooooooooo
oo
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Is Poch favourite for the West Brom job yet, their gaffer has walked?[/p][/quote]Didn't MP cite Pepe Mel as his "mentor"? If MP doesn't sign, the board might see him as a replacement!!! 😧😧😧[/p][/quote]Nooooooooooooooooooo oo Steve_N
  • Score: 0

5:02pm Mon 12 May 14

Costa Baz says...

Some posters on SaintsWeb, alleging that MP signed a new contract over the weekend, with the announcement to be made midweek.

Mind you, they all seem to be getting their info 3rd or 4th hand.
Some posters on SaintsWeb, alleging that MP signed a new contract over the weekend, with the announcement to be made midweek. Mind you, they all seem to be getting their info 3rd or 4th hand. Costa Baz
  • Score: 0

5:37pm Mon 12 May 14

Clever Dick says...

SaintSteve76 wrote:
Please hurry up and sign on the line poch! The fans love you plus we need you at the club to take us forward to the next level. I'd just like to point out that had wanyama and boruc not been injured for so long I really do feel feel that we would have finished in the top 6. Take a look at the points we dropped when these two were out of the team compared to when they were available. Also, we can't allow any team to buy lallana and/or Shaw unless an extortionate amount of money is offered. Shaw will go on to become the best left back in the world and his value will rocket over the next few years and you certainly wouldn't be able to bring in anyone as good as him. Same with lallana unless you bought someone from a top top side which obviously seems very unlikely. We need to be ccompeting with these teams not selling our best players to them! If we sell, what was the point in producing such a great side and buying players like wanyama and Osvaldo even though that particular signing didn't work out. Please keep this side together and sign poch up to a new contract. Don't just let the Man Us and Liverpool's etc get what they want.
Sorry to disagree but Shaw is not our best player. It's very easy to say he will go on to be worth mega millions but nobody knows that for sure. How many of us predicted Bale would become the player he is today and only a very few go on to reach that level. We already have Nat Clyne who can play at LB and it's arguable that he is better than Luke. His crossing is better and he has more assists and goals. So it is very possible to replace Luke and use the money to buy another centre half , a replacement full back for cover and maybe a striker as well. And we also have academy players coming through to add to the melee. I for one am very optimistic about the coming season even if we do lose a few players. It's going to be another great season for us. Bring it on.
[quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: Please hurry up and sign on the line poch! The fans love you plus we need you at the club to take us forward to the next level. I'd just like to point out that had wanyama and boruc not been injured for so long I really do feel feel that we would have finished in the top 6. Take a look at the points we dropped when these two were out of the team compared to when they were available. Also, we can't allow any team to buy lallana and/or Shaw unless an extortionate amount of money is offered. Shaw will go on to become the best left back in the world and his value will rocket over the next few years and you certainly wouldn't be able to bring in anyone as good as him. Same with lallana unless you bought someone from a top top side which obviously seems very unlikely. We need to be ccompeting with these teams not selling our best players to them! If we sell, what was the point in producing such a great side and buying players like wanyama and Osvaldo even though that particular signing didn't work out. Please keep this side together and sign poch up to a new contract. Don't just let the Man Us and Liverpool's etc get what they want.[/p][/quote]Sorry to disagree but Shaw is not our best player. It's very easy to say he will go on to be worth mega millions but nobody knows that for sure. How many of us predicted Bale would become the player he is today and only a very few go on to reach that level. We already have Nat Clyne who can play at LB and it's arguable that he is better than Luke. His crossing is better and he has more assists and goals. So it is very possible to replace Luke and use the money to buy another centre half , a replacement full back for cover and maybe a striker as well. And we also have academy players coming through to add to the melee. I for one am very optimistic about the coming season even if we do lose a few players. It's going to be another great season for us. Bring it on. Clever Dick
  • Score: 4

5:37pm Mon 12 May 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
Velleity wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign.
I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up.
No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled,
OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace.
Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker.
Keeper should have been ready for that, however. It was an obvious place to put it.
I wonder why we don't put a man on the post? Might not have got to it, but would have made Mata think a bit more-perhaps put him off. Seems like such a simple thing...Can understand for a cross, to help with offsides, but Mata was only ever going to shoot from there.
Because a player on the post would immediately put all of their attackers onside wherever they stood.
But if he's going to shoot, clearly, then surely it is more of a risk to leave the goal open?
oi brackers were you in Aldi on Birch Hill yesterday?
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign. I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up. No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled, OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace. Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker.[/p][/quote]Keeper should have been ready for that, however. It was an obvious place to put it.[/p][/quote]I wonder why we don't put a man on the post? Might not have got to it, but would have made Mata think a bit more-perhaps put him off. Seems like such a simple thing...Can understand for a cross, to help with offsides, but Mata was only ever going to shoot from there.[/p][/quote]Because a player on the post would immediately put all of their attackers onside wherever they stood.[/p][/quote]But if he's going to shoot, clearly, then surely it is more of a risk to leave the goal open?[/p][/quote]oi brackers were you in Aldi on Birch Hill yesterday? Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 1

5:55pm Mon 12 May 14

BracknellSaint says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
Velleity wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign.
I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up.
No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled,
OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace.
Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker.
Keeper should have been ready for that, however. It was an obvious place to put it.
I wonder why we don't put a man on the post? Might not have got to it, but would have made Mata think a bit more-perhaps put him off. Seems like such a simple thing...Can understand for a cross, to help with offsides, but Mata was only ever going to shoot from there.
Because a player on the post would immediately put all of their attackers onside wherever they stood.
But if he's going to shoot, clearly, then surely it is more of a risk to leave the goal open?
oi brackers were you in Aldi on Birch Hill yesterday?
Not me gramps, I was in Waitrose, my local supermarket ;)
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign. I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up. No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled, OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace. Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker.[/p][/quote]Keeper should have been ready for that, however. It was an obvious place to put it.[/p][/quote]I wonder why we don't put a man on the post? Might not have got to it, but would have made Mata think a bit more-perhaps put him off. Seems like such a simple thing...Can understand for a cross, to help with offsides, but Mata was only ever going to shoot from there.[/p][/quote]Because a player on the post would immediately put all of their attackers onside wherever they stood.[/p][/quote]But if he's going to shoot, clearly, then surely it is more of a risk to leave the goal open?[/p][/quote]oi brackers were you in Aldi on Birch Hill yesterday?[/p][/quote]Not me gramps, I was in Waitrose, my local supermarket ;) BracknellSaint
  • Score: -1

7:06pm Mon 12 May 14

bluewhiteandred says...

scorpioeyes wrote:
we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so?
Perhaps No interest remember Cortesse had a plan miss Liebherr did not attempt to keep Cortesse didn't Poch say he would follow .
[quote][p][bold]scorpioeyes[/bold] wrote: we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so?[/p][/quote]Perhaps No interest remember Cortesse had a plan miss Liebherr did not attempt to keep Cortesse didn't Poch say he would follow . bluewhiteandred
  • Score: -2

7:12pm Mon 12 May 14

Costa Baz says...

bluewhiteandred wrote:
scorpioeyes wrote: we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so?
Perhaps No interest remember Cortesse had a plan miss Liebherr did not attempt to keep Cortesse didn't Poch say he would follow .
English?
[quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scorpioeyes[/bold] wrote: we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so?[/p][/quote]Perhaps No interest remember Cortesse had a plan miss Liebherr did not attempt to keep Cortesse didn't Poch say he would follow .[/p][/quote]English? Costa Baz
  • Score: 2

7:12pm Mon 12 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Well the Brighton Gaffer has quit, Poch favourite to replace him no doubt.........
Well the Brighton Gaffer has quit, Poch favourite to replace him no doubt......... OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

7:30pm Mon 12 May 14

Clever Dick says...

bluewhiteandred wrote:
scorpioeyes wrote:
we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so?
Perhaps No interest remember Cortesse had a plan miss Liebherr did not attempt to keep Cortesse didn't Poch say he would follow .
Actually Katharina has taken over the club, which she owns anyway, and is carrying on in the way her father would have wished. Our club is her father's legacy and it's highly likely she wants it continue in a successful manner in remembrance of him. Yes Pochetino did say he would leave, showing loyalty to the person who employed him. And it's also highly likely that she was heavily involved in persuading him to stay. Loyalty and respect for others is not something I would expect a skunt to understand as your disgusting and horrible fans amply demonstrated during the Ted Bates minute of silence.
[quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scorpioeyes[/bold] wrote: we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so?[/p][/quote]Perhaps No interest remember Cortesse had a plan miss Liebherr did not attempt to keep Cortesse didn't Poch say he would follow .[/p][/quote]Actually Katharina has taken over the club, which she owns anyway, and is carrying on in the way her father would have wished. Our club is her father's legacy and it's highly likely she wants it continue in a successful manner in remembrance of him. Yes Pochetino did say he would leave, showing loyalty to the person who employed him. And it's also highly likely that she was heavily involved in persuading him to stay. Loyalty and respect for others is not something I would expect a skunt to understand as your disgusting and horrible fans amply demonstrated during the Ted Bates minute of silence. Clever Dick
  • Score: 6

8:01pm Mon 12 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
bluewhiteandred wrote:
scorpioeyes wrote:
we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so?
Perhaps No interest remember Cortesse had a plan miss Liebherr did not attempt to keep Cortesse didn't Poch say he would follow .
Actually Katharina has taken over the club, which she owns anyway, and is carrying on in the way her father would have wished. Our club is her father's legacy and it's highly likely she wants it continue in a successful manner in remembrance of him. Yes Pochetino did say he would leave, showing loyalty to the person who employed him. And it's also highly likely that she was heavily involved in persuading him to stay. Loyalty and respect for others is not something I would expect a skunt to understand as your disgusting and horrible fans amply demonstrated during the Ted Bates minute of silence.
add to that the fact that KL said she did try to keep NC and was sad he decided to go! if you are going to try to wum it up blue you really should check some facts first!
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scorpioeyes[/bold] wrote: we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so?[/p][/quote]Perhaps No interest remember Cortesse had a plan miss Liebherr did not attempt to keep Cortesse didn't Poch say he would follow .[/p][/quote]Actually Katharina has taken over the club, which she owns anyway, and is carrying on in the way her father would have wished. Our club is her father's legacy and it's highly likely she wants it continue in a successful manner in remembrance of him. Yes Pochetino did say he would leave, showing loyalty to the person who employed him. And it's also highly likely that she was heavily involved in persuading him to stay. Loyalty and respect for others is not something I would expect a skunt to understand as your disgusting and horrible fans amply demonstrated during the Ted Bates minute of silence.[/p][/quote]add to that the fact that KL said she did try to keep NC and was sad he decided to go! if you are going to try to wum it up blue you really should check some facts first! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 0

8:04pm Mon 12 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Well the Brighton Gaffer has quit, Poch favourite to replace him no doubt.........
well I heard from my mates brothers dentists cousins friend, who is in the know, that MP is now the favourite to take the vacant Southampton fc job! remember you read it here first ;0) and from the horses mouth!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Well the Brighton Gaffer has quit, Poch favourite to replace him no doubt.........[/p][/quote]well I heard from my mates brothers dentists cousins friend, who is in the know, that MP is now the favourite to take the vacant Southampton fc job! remember you read it here first ;0) and from the horses mouth! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 0

8:18pm Mon 12 May 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
Velleity wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign.
I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up.
No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled,
OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace.
Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker.
Keeper should have been ready for that, however. It was an obvious place to put it.
I wonder why we don't put a man on the post? Might not have got to it, but would have made Mata think a bit more-perhaps put him off. Seems like such a simple thing...Can understand for a cross, to help with offsides, but Mata was only ever going to shoot from there.
Because a player on the post would immediately put all of their attackers onside wherever they stood.
But if he's going to shoot, clearly, then surely it is more of a risk to leave the goal open?
oi brackers were you in Aldi on Birch Hill yesterday?
Not me gramps, I was in Waitrose, my local supermarket ;)
oh, bloke in a Saints top looking very happy, thought it might be you
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign. I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up. No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled, OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace. Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker.[/p][/quote]Keeper should have been ready for that, however. It was an obvious place to put it.[/p][/quote]I wonder why we don't put a man on the post? Might not have got to it, but would have made Mata think a bit more-perhaps put him off. Seems like such a simple thing...Can understand for a cross, to help with offsides, but Mata was only ever going to shoot from there.[/p][/quote]Because a player on the post would immediately put all of their attackers onside wherever they stood.[/p][/quote]But if he's going to shoot, clearly, then surely it is more of a risk to leave the goal open?[/p][/quote]oi brackers were you in Aldi on Birch Hill yesterday?[/p][/quote]Not me gramps, I was in Waitrose, my local supermarket ;)[/p][/quote]oh, bloke in a Saints top looking very happy, thought it might be you Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 0

8:19pm Mon 12 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
Please hurry up and sign on the line poch! The fans love you plus we need you at the club to take us forward to the next level. I'd just like to point out that had wanyama and boruc not been injured for so long I really do feel feel that we would have finished in the top 6. Take a look at the points we dropped when these two were out of the team compared to when they were available. Also, we can't allow any team to buy lallana and/or Shaw unless an extortionate amount of money is offered. Shaw will go on to become the best left back in the world and his value will rocket over the next few years and you certainly wouldn't be able to bring in anyone as good as him. Same with lallana unless you bought someone from a top top side which obviously seems very unlikely. We need to be ccompeting with these teams not selling our best players to them! If we sell, what was the point in producing such a great side and buying players like wanyama and Osvaldo even though that particular signing didn't work out. Please keep this side together and sign poch up to a new contract. Don't just let the Man Us and Liverpool's etc get what they want.
Sorry to disagree but Shaw is not our best player. It's very easy to say he will go on to be worth mega millions but nobody knows that for sure. How many of us predicted Bale would become the player he is today and only a very few go on to reach that level. We already have Nat Clyne who can play at LB and it's arguable that he is better than Luke. His crossing is better and he has more assists and goals. So it is very possible to replace Luke and use the money to buy another centre half , a replacement full back for cover and maybe a striker as well. And we also have academy players coming through to add to the melee. I for one am very optimistic about the coming season even if we do lose a few players. It's going to be another great season for us. Bring it on.
I agree that luke isn't our current best player but he could become a world class left back. where I disagree CD is that whilst clynes stats are great there not a direct comparison. there is a big difference between LB and RB, cylne is great cover at LB but I`m not sure he could play at LB all the time. a top class LB is harder to find than a RB simply because there are a lot fewer left handed people, that's why LB`s generally cost more than RB`s.
I am as optimistic as you about next season but we have to keep our squad together and improve the squad rather than sell the better players to fill with a greater quantity of lesser players.
I suppose it all comes down to our own views and opinions, but at the end of the day our opinions count for nothing as its the club and MP who will have the final say.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: Please hurry up and sign on the line poch! The fans love you plus we need you at the club to take us forward to the next level. I'd just like to point out that had wanyama and boruc not been injured for so long I really do feel feel that we would have finished in the top 6. Take a look at the points we dropped when these two were out of the team compared to when they were available. Also, we can't allow any team to buy lallana and/or Shaw unless an extortionate amount of money is offered. Shaw will go on to become the best left back in the world and his value will rocket over the next few years and you certainly wouldn't be able to bring in anyone as good as him. Same with lallana unless you bought someone from a top top side which obviously seems very unlikely. We need to be ccompeting with these teams not selling our best players to them! If we sell, what was the point in producing such a great side and buying players like wanyama and Osvaldo even though that particular signing didn't work out. Please keep this side together and sign poch up to a new contract. Don't just let the Man Us and Liverpool's etc get what they want.[/p][/quote]Sorry to disagree but Shaw is not our best player. It's very easy to say he will go on to be worth mega millions but nobody knows that for sure. How many of us predicted Bale would become the player he is today and only a very few go on to reach that level. We already have Nat Clyne who can play at LB and it's arguable that he is better than Luke. His crossing is better and he has more assists and goals. So it is very possible to replace Luke and use the money to buy another centre half , a replacement full back for cover and maybe a striker as well. And we also have academy players coming through to add to the melee. I for one am very optimistic about the coming season even if we do lose a few players. It's going to be another great season for us. Bring it on.[/p][/quote]I agree that luke isn't our current best player but he could become a world class left back. where I disagree CD is that whilst clynes stats are great there not a direct comparison. there is a big difference between LB and RB, cylne is great cover at LB but I`m not sure he could play at LB all the time. a top class LB is harder to find than a RB simply because there are a lot fewer left handed people, that's why LB`s generally cost more than RB`s. I am as optimistic as you about next season but we have to keep our squad together and improve the squad rather than sell the better players to fill with a greater quantity of lesser players. I suppose it all comes down to our own views and opinions, but at the end of the day our opinions count for nothing as its the club and MP who will have the final say. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 0

8:20pm Mon 12 May 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

bluewhiteandred wrote:
scorpioeyes wrote:
we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so?
Perhaps No interest remember Cortesse had a plan miss Liebherr did not attempt to keep Cortesse didn't Poch say he would follow .
clearly you didn't read the part of her statement where she said that she didn't want Cortese to go.

must be the fish-eye lens you look at the world through
[quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scorpioeyes[/bold] wrote: we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so?[/p][/quote]Perhaps No interest remember Cortesse had a plan miss Liebherr did not attempt to keep Cortesse didn't Poch say he would follow .[/p][/quote]clearly you didn't read the part of her statement where she said that she didn't want Cortese to go. must be the fish-eye lens you look at the world through Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 0

8:44pm Mon 12 May 14

jls217 says...

scorpioeyes wrote:
we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so?
The reason they are billionaires is because they are careful and shrewd with their investments.

Who was it who said the only way to make a small fortune in football is to invest a large fortune?

Clearly Katarina has some sort of connection with the club even if it's only because of the interest of Marcus. It seems she enjoys the connection and attends games and seems genuinely interested and enjoys the moment.

The only billionaires who have the ambition or interest to invest are the ones who want to turn the cash cow into a launderette - alledgedly I hastily add.
[quote][p][bold]scorpioeyes[/bold] wrote: we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so?[/p][/quote]The reason they are billionaires is because they are careful and shrewd with their investments. Who was it who said the only way to make a small fortune in football is to invest a large fortune? Clearly Katarina has some sort of connection with the club even if it's only because of the interest of Marcus. It seems she enjoys the connection and attends games and seems genuinely interested and enjoys the moment. The only billionaires who have the ambition or interest to invest are the ones who want to turn the cash cow into a launderette - alledgedly I hastily add. jls217
  • Score: 0

9:06pm Mon 12 May 14

Clever Dick says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
Please hurry up and sign on the line poch! The fans love you plus we need you at the club to take us forward to the next level. I'd just like to point out that had wanyama and boruc not been injured for so long I really do feel feel that we would have finished in the top 6. Take a look at the points we dropped when these two were out of the team compared to when they were available. Also, we can't allow any team to buy lallana and/or Shaw unless an extortionate amount of money is offered. Shaw will go on to become the best left back in the world and his value will rocket over the next few years and you certainly wouldn't be able to bring in anyone as good as him. Same with lallana unless you bought someone from a top top side which obviously seems very unlikely. We need to be ccompeting with these teams not selling our best players to them! If we sell, what was the point in producing such a great side and buying players like wanyama and Osvaldo even though that particular signing didn't work out. Please keep this side together and sign poch up to a new contract. Don't just let the Man Us and Liverpool's etc get what they want.
Sorry to disagree but Shaw is not our best player. It's very easy to say he will go on to be worth mega millions but nobody knows that for sure. How many of us predicted Bale would become the player he is today and only a very few go on to reach that level. We already have Nat Clyne who can play at LB and it's arguable that he is better than Luke. His crossing is better and he has more assists and goals. So it is very possible to replace Luke and use the money to buy another centre half , a replacement full back for cover and maybe a striker as well. And we also have academy players coming through to add to the melee. I for one am very optimistic about the coming season even if we do lose a few players. It's going to be another great season for us. Bring it on.
I agree that luke isn't our current best player but he could become a world class left back. where I disagree CD is that whilst clynes stats are great there not a direct comparison. there is a big difference between LB and RB, cylne is great cover at LB but I`m not sure he could play at LB all the time. a top class LB is harder to find than a RB simply because there are a lot fewer left handed people, that's why LB`s generally cost more than RB`s.
I am as optimistic as you about next season but we have to keep our squad together and improve the squad rather than sell the better players to fill with a greater quantity of lesser players.
I suppose it all comes down to our own views and opinions, but at the end of the day our opinions count for nothing as its the club and MP who will have the final say.
I'm not saying he should go, just saying that he can be replaced. Yes he might become the greatest LB the world has ever seen but the chances are very much against that happening. It may be slightly more difficult to replace a LB but at the end of the day every single side has one and cover as well. So there are plenty out there. I've seen Nat Clyne cover that position on plenty of occasions and he's done great every time. The biggest problem as I see it is the message that would be sent to the rest of the squad. That would need careful managing and maybe club statements that the money will be used to strengthen the squad. We all know what is needed for us to push on and that amount of money would pretty much fund it all.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: Please hurry up and sign on the line poch! The fans love you plus we need you at the club to take us forward to the next level. I'd just like to point out that had wanyama and boruc not been injured for so long I really do feel feel that we would have finished in the top 6. Take a look at the points we dropped when these two were out of the team compared to when they were available. Also, we can't allow any team to buy lallana and/or Shaw unless an extortionate amount of money is offered. Shaw will go on to become the best left back in the world and his value will rocket over the next few years and you certainly wouldn't be able to bring in anyone as good as him. Same with lallana unless you bought someone from a top top side which obviously seems very unlikely. We need to be ccompeting with these teams not selling our best players to them! If we sell, what was the point in producing such a great side and buying players like wanyama and Osvaldo even though that particular signing didn't work out. Please keep this side together and sign poch up to a new contract. Don't just let the Man Us and Liverpool's etc get what they want.[/p][/quote]Sorry to disagree but Shaw is not our best player. It's very easy to say he will go on to be worth mega millions but nobody knows that for sure. How many of us predicted Bale would become the player he is today and only a very few go on to reach that level. We already have Nat Clyne who can play at LB and it's arguable that he is better than Luke. His crossing is better and he has more assists and goals. So it is very possible to replace Luke and use the money to buy another centre half , a replacement full back for cover and maybe a striker as well. And we also have academy players coming through to add to the melee. I for one am very optimistic about the coming season even if we do lose a few players. It's going to be another great season for us. Bring it on.[/p][/quote]I agree that luke isn't our current best player but he could become a world class left back. where I disagree CD is that whilst clynes stats are great there not a direct comparison. there is a big difference between LB and RB, cylne is great cover at LB but I`m not sure he could play at LB all the time. a top class LB is harder to find than a RB simply because there are a lot fewer left handed people, that's why LB`s generally cost more than RB`s. I am as optimistic as you about next season but we have to keep our squad together and improve the squad rather than sell the better players to fill with a greater quantity of lesser players. I suppose it all comes down to our own views and opinions, but at the end of the day our opinions count for nothing as its the club and MP who will have the final say.[/p][/quote]I'm not saying he should go, just saying that he can be replaced. Yes he might become the greatest LB the world has ever seen but the chances are very much against that happening. It may be slightly more difficult to replace a LB but at the end of the day every single side has one and cover as well. So there are plenty out there. I've seen Nat Clyne cover that position on plenty of occasions and he's done great every time. The biggest problem as I see it is the message that would be sent to the rest of the squad. That would need careful managing and maybe club statements that the money will be used to strengthen the squad. We all know what is needed for us to push on and that amount of money would pretty much fund it all. Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

9:13pm Mon 12 May 14

bluewhiteandred says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
bluewhiteandred wrote:
scorpioeyes wrote:
we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so?
Perhaps No interest remember Cortesse had a plan miss Liebherr did not attempt to keep Cortesse didn't Poch say he would follow .
clearly you didn't read the part of her statement where she said that she didn't want Cortese to go.

must be the fish-eye lens you look at the world through
Miss liebherr didnt want Cortesse to go but she didnt manage to stop him will the same thing happen with Poch and the four England stars . Lambert did well to be selected probably his team mates helped and sad rodregres didnt make injury.
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scorpioeyes[/bold] wrote: we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so?[/p][/quote]Perhaps No interest remember Cortesse had a plan miss Liebherr did not attempt to keep Cortesse didn't Poch say he would follow .[/p][/quote]clearly you didn't read the part of her statement where she said that she didn't want Cortese to go. must be the fish-eye lens you look at the world through[/p][/quote]Miss liebherr didnt want Cortesse to go but she didnt manage to stop him will the same thing happen with Poch and the four England stars . Lambert did well to be selected probably his team mates helped and sad rodregres didnt make injury. bluewhiteandred
  • Score: 0

9:32pm Mon 12 May 14

Clever Dick says...

bluewhiteandred wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
bluewhiteandred wrote:
scorpioeyes wrote:
we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so?
Perhaps No interest remember Cortesse had a plan miss Liebherr did not attempt to keep Cortesse didn't Poch say he would follow .
clearly you didn't read the part of her statement where she said that she didn't want Cortese to go.

must be the fish-eye lens you look at the world through
Miss liebherr didnt want Cortesse to go but she didnt manage to stop him will the same thing happen with Poch and the four England stars . Lambert did well to be selected probably his team mates helped and sad rodregres didnt make injury.
Do you have a translator. Most of us speak English if that helps.
[quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scorpioeyes[/bold] wrote: we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so?[/p][/quote]Perhaps No interest remember Cortesse had a plan miss Liebherr did not attempt to keep Cortesse didn't Poch say he would follow .[/p][/quote]clearly you didn't read the part of her statement where she said that she didn't want Cortese to go. must be the fish-eye lens you look at the world through[/p][/quote]Miss liebherr didnt want Cortesse to go but she didnt manage to stop him will the same thing happen with Poch and the four England stars . Lambert did well to be selected probably his team mates helped and sad rodregres didnt make injury.[/p][/quote]Do you have a translator. Most of us speak English if that helps. Clever Dick
  • Score: 3

9:49pm Mon 12 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Clever Dick wrote:
bluewhiteandred wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
bluewhiteandred wrote:
scorpioeyes wrote:
we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so?
Perhaps No interest remember Cortesse had a plan miss Liebherr did not attempt to keep Cortesse didn't Poch say he would follow .
clearly you didn't read the part of her statement where she said that she didn't want Cortese to go.

must be the fish-eye lens you look at the world through
Miss liebherr didnt want Cortesse to go but she didnt manage to stop him will the same thing happen with Poch and the four England stars . Lambert did well to be selected probably his team mates helped and sad rodregres didnt make injury.
Do you have a translator. Most of us speak English if that helps.
He's been at the fish wine again.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scorpioeyes[/bold] wrote: we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so?[/p][/quote]Perhaps No interest remember Cortesse had a plan miss Liebherr did not attempt to keep Cortesse didn't Poch say he would follow .[/p][/quote]clearly you didn't read the part of her statement where she said that she didn't want Cortese to go. must be the fish-eye lens you look at the world through[/p][/quote]Miss liebherr didnt want Cortesse to go but she didnt manage to stop him will the same thing happen with Poch and the four England stars . Lambert did well to be selected probably his team mates helped and sad rodregres didnt make injury.[/p][/quote]Do you have a translator. Most of us speak English if that helps.[/p][/quote]He's been at the fish wine again. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

10:48pm Mon 12 May 14

SaintSteve76 says...

bluewhiteandred wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
bluewhiteandred wrote:
scorpioeyes wrote:
we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so?
Perhaps No interest remember Cortesse had a plan miss Liebherr did not attempt to keep Cortesse didn't Poch say he would follow .
clearly you didn't read the part of her statement where she said that she didn't want Cortese to go.

must be the fish-eye lens you look at the world through
Miss liebherr didnt want Cortesse to go but she didnt manage to stop him will the same thing happen with Poch and the four England stars . Lambert did well to be selected probably his team mates helped and sad rodregres didnt make injury.
As far as I'm concerned it's quite simple, if the board agrees to back pochettino financially and agrees to support his ambitions for the club, then he will sign the new contract and star players will stay as well. If however they decide that they want to cash in on star players and show a significant lack of ambition, I'm afraid it's very unlikely he will sign. I hope we find out sooner rather then later as the not knowing is awful!
[quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scorpioeyes[/bold] wrote: we know that the Liebherrs are billionaires,not just milionaires,so financing the club to the very top isnt a problem. The problem is ,do they have the ambition or interst to do so?[/p][/quote]Perhaps No interest remember Cortesse had a plan miss Liebherr did not attempt to keep Cortesse didn't Poch say he would follow .[/p][/quote]clearly you didn't read the part of her statement where she said that she didn't want Cortese to go. must be the fish-eye lens you look at the world through[/p][/quote]Miss liebherr didnt want Cortesse to go but she didnt manage to stop him will the same thing happen with Poch and the four England stars . Lambert did well to be selected probably his team mates helped and sad rodregres didnt make injury.[/p][/quote]As far as I'm concerned it's quite simple, if the board agrees to back pochettino financially and agrees to support his ambitions for the club, then he will sign the new contract and star players will stay as well. If however they decide that they want to cash in on star players and show a significant lack of ambition, I'm afraid it's very unlikely he will sign. I hope we find out sooner rather then later as the not knowing is awful! SaintSteve76
  • Score: 1

11:27pm Mon 12 May 14

BracknellSaint says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
Velleity wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign.
I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up.
No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled,
OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace.
Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker.
Keeper should have been ready for that, however. It was an obvious place to put it.
I wonder why we don't put a man on the post? Might not have got to it, but would have made Mata think a bit more-perhaps put him off. Seems like such a simple thing...Can understand for a cross, to help with offsides, but Mata was only ever going to shoot from there.
Because a player on the post would immediately put all of their attackers onside wherever they stood.
But if he's going to shoot, clearly, then surely it is more of a risk to leave the goal open?
oi brackers were you in Aldi on Birch Hill yesterday?
Not me gramps, I was in Waitrose, my local supermarket ;)
oh, bloke in a Saints top looking very happy, thought it might be you
There are one or two I've seen/ spoken to over the years...
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: If you observe KL of late she seems to have realised she is subject to media and has smartened up considerably..and been to more and more games and loving it all--especially when Woy turns up.I tke this as a very positive sign. I really don't think that there I half the angst and worry going on that the DE tries to stoke up. No wants to go to Totteringham with that egotistcal D Levy in charge. Elsewhere in the Prem there is no better option than Saints as all the other big club mgrs. are pretty much settled, OK we may loseone or two but we will certainly replace. Have to say watching Matas free kick from the Chapel I thought it was soft but having seen it on MOTD --cracker.[/p][/quote]Keeper should have been ready for that, however. It was an obvious place to put it.[/p][/quote]I wonder why we don't put a man on the post? Might not have got to it, but would have made Mata think a bit more-perhaps put him off. Seems like such a simple thing...Can understand for a cross, to help with offsides, but Mata was only ever going to shoot from there.[/p][/quote]Because a player on the post would immediately put all of their attackers onside wherever they stood.[/p][/quote]But if he's going to shoot, clearly, then surely it is more of a risk to leave the goal open?[/p][/quote]oi brackers were you in Aldi on Birch Hill yesterday?[/p][/quote]Not me gramps, I was in Waitrose, my local supermarket ;)[/p][/quote]oh, bloke in a Saints top looking very happy, thought it might be you[/p][/quote]There are one or two I've seen/ spoken to over the years... BracknellSaint
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2:55am Tue 13 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
Please hurry up and sign on the line poch! The fans love you plus we need you at the club to take us forward to the next level. I'd just like to point out that had wanyama and boruc not been injured for so long I really do feel feel that we would have finished in the top 6. Take a look at the points we dropped when these two were out of the team compared to when they were available. Also, we can't allow any team to buy lallana and/or Shaw unless an extortionate amount of money is offered. Shaw will go on to become the best left back in the world and his value will rocket over the next few years and you certainly wouldn't be able to bring in anyone as good as him. Same with lallana unless you bought someone from a top top side which obviously seems very unlikely. We need to be ccompeting with these teams not selling our best players to them! If we sell, what was the point in producing such a great side and buying players like wanyama and Osvaldo even though that particular signing didn't work out. Please keep this side together and sign poch up to a new contract. Don't just let the Man Us and Liverpool's etc get what they want.
Sorry to disagree but Shaw is not our best player. It's very easy to say he will go on to be worth mega millions but nobody knows that for sure. How many of us predicted Bale would become the player he is today and only a very few go on to reach that level. We already have Nat Clyne who can play at LB and it's arguable that he is better than Luke. His crossing is better and he has more assists and goals. So it is very possible to replace Luke and use the money to buy another centre half , a replacement full back for cover and maybe a striker as well. And we also have academy players coming through to add to the melee. I for one am very optimistic about the coming season even if we do lose a few players. It's going to be another great season for us. Bring it on.
I agree that luke isn't our current best player but he could become a world class left back. where I disagree CD is that whilst clynes stats are great there not a direct comparison. there is a big difference between LB and RB, cylne is great cover at LB but I`m not sure he could play at LB all the time. a top class LB is harder to find than a RB simply because there are a lot fewer left handed people, that's why LB`s generally cost more than RB`s.
I am as optimistic as you about next season but we have to keep our squad together and improve the squad rather than sell the better players to fill with a greater quantity of lesser players.
I suppose it all comes down to our own views and opinions, but at the end of the day our opinions count for nothing as its the club and MP who will have the final say.
I'm not saying he should go, just saying that he can be replaced. Yes he might become the greatest LB the world has ever seen but the chances are very much against that happening. It may be slightly more difficult to replace a LB but at the end of the day every single side has one and cover as well. So there are plenty out there. I've seen Nat Clyne cover that position on plenty of occasions and he's done great every time. The biggest problem as I see it is the message that would be sent to the rest of the squad. That would need careful managing and maybe club statements that the money will be used to strengthen the squad. We all know what is needed for us to push on and that amount of money would pretty much fund it all.
Again your right, the rest of the squad wouldn't be happy if we sold either Luke or lalla and I think some might slap in transfer requests as the project they signed up to would be completely different.
There are plenty of players playing at LB, not all are left footed and not as good as Luke hence his price tag. Look at the difference in the team when Fox played instead of Luke. Yes clyne can play LB but he isn't as effective as he is at RB, still good though. When you produce a player of the quality of Luke you should do everything you can to keep them. Do you think spuds thought that spending all the bale money would fund their push for champs league?
I never said you said he should go and completely understand your viewpoint, I just think that its harder to replace a player of his quality than you. I'm not saying either of us is right or wrong we just see it differently, football would be boring if we all had the same opinions!
Lets just hope MP signs soon and we get a statement of intent from the board, we might then know where we stand. It wont stop clubs interest in our players or media speculation but it might put our minds at ease.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: Please hurry up and sign on the line poch! The fans love you plus we need you at the club to take us forward to the next level. I'd just like to point out that had wanyama and boruc not been injured for so long I really do feel feel that we would have finished in the top 6. Take a look at the points we dropped when these two were out of the team compared to when they were available. Also, we can't allow any team to buy lallana and/or Shaw unless an extortionate amount of money is offered. Shaw will go on to become the best left back in the world and his value will rocket over the next few years and you certainly wouldn't be able to bring in anyone as good as him. Same with lallana unless you bought someone from a top top side which obviously seems very unlikely. We need to be ccompeting with these teams not selling our best players to them! If we sell, what was the point in producing such a great side and buying players like wanyama and Osvaldo even though that particular signing didn't work out. Please keep this side together and sign poch up to a new contract. Don't just let the Man Us and Liverpool's etc get what they want.[/p][/quote]Sorry to disagree but Shaw is not our best player. It's very easy to say he will go on to be worth mega millions but nobody knows that for sure. How many of us predicted Bale would become the player he is today and only a very few go on to reach that level. We already have Nat Clyne who can play at LB and it's arguable that he is better than Luke. His crossing is better and he has more assists and goals. So it is very possible to replace Luke and use the money to buy another centre half , a replacement full back for cover and maybe a striker as well. And we also have academy players coming through to add to the melee. I for one am very optimistic about the coming season even if we do lose a few players. It's going to be another great season for us. Bring it on.[/p][/quote]I agree that luke isn't our current best player but he could become a world class left back. where I disagree CD is that whilst clynes stats are great there not a direct comparison. there is a big difference between LB and RB, cylne is great cover at LB but I`m not sure he could play at LB all the time. a top class LB is harder to find than a RB simply because there are a lot fewer left handed people, that's why LB`s generally cost more than RB`s. I am as optimistic as you about next season but we have to keep our squad together and improve the squad rather than sell the better players to fill with a greater quantity of lesser players. I suppose it all comes down to our own views and opinions, but at the end of the day our opinions count for nothing as its the club and MP who will have the final say.[/p][/quote]I'm not saying he should go, just saying that he can be replaced. Yes he might become the greatest LB the world has ever seen but the chances are very much against that happening. It may be slightly more difficult to replace a LB but at the end of the day every single side has one and cover as well. So there are plenty out there. I've seen Nat Clyne cover that position on plenty of occasions and he's done great every time. The biggest problem as I see it is the message that would be sent to the rest of the squad. That would need careful managing and maybe club statements that the money will be used to strengthen the squad. We all know what is needed for us to push on and that amount of money would pretty much fund it all.[/p][/quote]Again your right, the rest of the squad wouldn't be happy if we sold either Luke or lalla and I think some might slap in transfer requests as the project they signed up to would be completely different. There are plenty of players playing at LB, not all are left footed and not as good as Luke hence his price tag. Look at the difference in the team when Fox played instead of Luke. Yes clyne can play LB but he isn't as effective as he is at RB, still good though. When you produce a player of the quality of Luke you should do everything you can to keep them. Do you think spuds thought that spending all the bale money would fund their push for champs league? I never said you said he should go and completely understand your viewpoint, I just think that its harder to replace a player of his quality than you. I'm not saying either of us is right or wrong we just see it differently, football would be boring if we all had the same opinions! Lets just hope MP signs soon and we get a statement of intent from the board, we might then know where we stand. It wont stop clubs interest in our players or media speculation but it might put our minds at ease. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 0

9:25am Tue 13 May 14

Gary Clark says...

The silent treatment from Saints is not helping the intense speculation surrounding both the manger and players at this football club, There is no doubt the manger has transformed and pushed this club further since taking over from Nigel Adkins (a decision I was livid with at the time) but proved to be the correct one in the long term. Personally I think talk of Champions League is unrealistic and needs sufficient financial backing that we simply can't afford to take that risk in search of this goal, a more realistic target would be to secure European football via both the Capital cup/FA Cup, (which baffles me why we played weakened teams this season when we had a very good opportunity to go all the way! The league maybe worth a shout but Saint's are competing against clubs with bigger financial power, and bigger clubs to attract the kind of players needed. If Saints can persuade MP to sign a long term contract then I have no doubt the players linked with moves away from the club will stay and be part of the new project, they are guaranteed first team football and are being recognized at international level whilst playing for Southampton? so the only reason is MONEY!!!!!!!!! I do not buy into the fact they want to move to a bigger club because you won't play as much, or being ambitious I just think these are excuses used because there easy ones. These players are very lucky no matter what club they play for earning the kind of money myself and many others could only dream of, I work very hard to enable myself and thousands of others to pay for a season ticket to support my local team, something which I'm very proud of, through thick and thin, through the good times and bad times no matter what! I know I'm lucky because not everyone can afford a season ticket either too. Here's a list of players I think Saint's should be looking at to push the club onto the next level.
Fraser Forster-Goalkeeper- is a top quality keeper who has played for England and may seek a move away from Scotland to really test how good he is against quality week in week out
Lukas Fabiabski-Goalkeeper
-has premier/European experience and is out of contract.
Micah Richards-CB/RB has premier/European experience and would slot nicely into our current setup, still young and English.
Steven Caulker-CB has had an outstanding season for Cardiff, young, English and would give us competition for places.
Davide Astori-CB reported to be a long term transfer target of Saints but giving the Osvaldo situation I would not pursue this target against the two above mentioned.
Wilfried Zaha-has something Saint's lack which is pace in the final third would add that extra dimension to our attacking play, young English and quality.
Victor Moses-again like Zaha has pace and can play up front or out wide and would give our play that extra dimension this season has lacked, again young and English so would be perfect fit.
Carlos Vela-the Mexican and former Arsenal striker is playing in Spain and is the natural goalscorer that Saint's are looking for is prolific in scoring, very pacy and would be the type of striker Saint's just need to turn there possession into goals to kill games off and be the difference to turning draw/defeats into wins/draws to improve out points tally to close the gap on the top 6.
Javier Hernandez-is another Mexican and a very prolific goalscorer and would offer all the same as above.
and Finally Romelu Lukaka-striker, is strong powerful pacy, goalscorer who is still very young at 20 but has been loaned out for the past two seasons, Goalscorers cost money but are worth it in the long term, Chelsea are reported to have signed Diego Costa from Atletico Madrid so his own future might be away from Chelsea? I know Saint's probably won't sign any of these players but these are the kind of players Saint's need to push the club forward and push for European football!
The silent treatment from Saints is not helping the intense speculation surrounding both the manger and players at this football club, There is no doubt the manger has transformed and pushed this club further since taking over from Nigel Adkins (a decision I was livid with at the time) but proved to be the correct one in the long term. Personally I think talk of Champions League is unrealistic and needs sufficient financial backing that we simply can't afford to take that risk in search of this goal, a more realistic target would be to secure European football via both the Capital cup/FA Cup, (which baffles me why we played weakened teams this season when we had a very good opportunity to go all the way! The league maybe worth a shout but Saint's are competing against clubs with bigger financial power, and bigger clubs to attract the kind of players needed. If Saints can persuade MP to sign a long term contract then I have no doubt the players linked with moves away from the club will stay and be part of the new project, they are guaranteed first team football and are being recognized at international level whilst playing for Southampton? so the only reason is MONEY!!!!!!!!! I do not buy into the fact they want to move to a bigger club because you won't play as much, or being ambitious I just think these are excuses used because there easy ones. These players are very lucky no matter what club they play for earning the kind of money myself and many others could only dream of, I work very hard to enable myself and thousands of others to pay for a season ticket to support my local team, something which I'm very proud of, through thick and thin, through the good times and bad times no matter what! I know I'm lucky because not everyone can afford a season ticket either too. Here's a list of players I think Saint's should be looking at to push the club onto the next level. Fraser Forster-Goalkeeper- is a top quality keeper who has played for England and may seek a move away from Scotland to really test how good he is against quality week in week out Lukas Fabiabski-Goalkeeper -has premier/European experience and is out of contract. Micah Richards-CB/RB has premier/European experience and would slot nicely into our current setup, still young and English. Steven Caulker-CB has had an outstanding season for Cardiff, young, English and would give us competition for places. Davide Astori-CB reported to be a long term transfer target of Saints but giving the Osvaldo situation I would not pursue this target against the two above mentioned. Wilfried Zaha-has something Saint's lack which is pace in the final third would add that extra dimension to our attacking play, young English and quality. Victor Moses-again like Zaha has pace and can play up front or out wide and would give our play that extra dimension this season has lacked, again young and English so would be perfect fit. Carlos Vela-the Mexican and former Arsenal striker is playing in Spain and is the natural goalscorer that Saint's are looking for is prolific in scoring, very pacy and would be the type of striker Saint's just need to turn there possession into goals to kill games off and be the difference to turning draw/defeats into wins/draws to improve out points tally to close the gap on the top 6. Javier Hernandez-is another Mexican and a very prolific goalscorer and would offer all the same as above. and Finally Romelu Lukaka-striker, is strong powerful pacy, goalscorer who is still very young at 20 but has been loaned out for the past two seasons, Goalscorers cost money but are worth it in the long term, Chelsea are reported to have signed Diego Costa from Atletico Madrid so his own future might be away from Chelsea? I know Saint's probably won't sign any of these players but these are the kind of players Saint's need to push the club forward and push for European football! Gary Clark
  • Score: 0

9:42am Tue 13 May 14

jls217 says...

Gary Clark wrote:
The silent treatment from Saints is not helping the intense speculation surrounding both the manger and players at this football club, There is no doubt the manger has transformed and pushed this club further since taking over from Nigel Adkins (a decision I was livid with at the time) but proved to be the correct one in the long term. Personally I think talk of Champions League is unrealistic and needs sufficient financial backing that we simply can't afford to take that risk in search of this goal, a more realistic target would be to secure European football via both the Capital cup/FA Cup, (which baffles me why we played weakened teams this season when we had a very good opportunity to go all the way! The league maybe worth a shout but Saint's are competing against clubs with bigger financial power, and bigger clubs to attract the kind of players needed. If Saints can persuade MP to sign a long term contract then I have no doubt the players linked with moves away from the club will stay and be part of the new project, they are guaranteed first team football and are being recognized at international level whilst playing for Southampton? so the only reason is MONEY!!!!!!!!! I do not buy into the fact they want to move to a bigger club because you won't play as much, or being ambitious I just think these are excuses used because there easy ones. These players are very lucky no matter what club they play for earning the kind of money myself and many others could only dream of, I work very hard to enable myself and thousands of others to pay for a season ticket to support my local team, something which I'm very proud of, through thick and thin, through the good times and bad times no matter what! I know I'm lucky because not everyone can afford a season ticket either too. Here's a list of players I think Saint's should be looking at to push the club onto the next level.
Fraser Forster-Goalkeeper- is a top quality keeper who has played for England and may seek a move away from Scotland to really test how good he is against quality week in week out
Lukas Fabiabski-Goalkeeper

-has premier/European experience and is out of contract.
Micah Richards-CB/RB has premier/European experience and would slot nicely into our current setup, still young and English.
Steven Caulker-CB has had an outstanding season for Cardiff, young, English and would give us competition for places.
Davide Astori-CB reported to be a long term transfer target of Saints but giving the Osvaldo situation I would not pursue this target against the two above mentioned.
Wilfried Zaha-has something Saint's lack which is pace in the final third would add that extra dimension to our attacking play, young English and quality.
Victor Moses-again like Zaha has pace and can play up front or out wide and would give our play that extra dimension this season has lacked, again young and English so would be perfect fit.
Carlos Vela-the Mexican and former Arsenal striker is playing in Spain and is the natural goalscorer that Saint's are looking for is prolific in scoring, very pacy and would be the type of striker Saint's just need to turn there possession into goals to kill games off and be the difference to turning draw/defeats into wins/draws to improve out points tally to close the gap on the top 6.
Javier Hernandez-is another Mexican and a very prolific goalscorer and would offer all the same as above.
and Finally Romelu Lukaka-striker, is strong powerful pacy, goalscorer who is still very young at 20 but has been loaned out for the past two seasons, Goalscorers cost money but are worth it in the long term, Chelsea are reported to have signed Diego Costa from Atletico Madrid so his own future might be away from Chelsea? I know Saint's probably won't sign any of these players but these are the kind of players Saint's need to push the club forward and push for European football!
Interesting post which requires a couple of totally different replies.

It's likey the silence yesterday from the the club is because they have nothing new to add to what they've been saying for the last month. You too would get ticked off if you were having to say the same thing day after day after day - and soon you would give up because clearly no-one is really listening to a single word you're saying.

Don't be so keen to spend the money (especially as it's not ours to spend)
Just take a look at who is available free. There's an Anglo-German (Capped by Germany) I think he's with Werder Bremen who is out of contract at the end of their season by the name of Hunt (can play down the flanks or in the centre and is a class act) Valdez is available on a free. Diouf and Gomis (both 10mill strikers who score goals are avail free) Don't splash the cash until you absolutely need to. The last person we need in is Zaha - can't deny he's quick but the team is settled and we don't need his attitude. Had enough of that with Osvaldo.
[quote][p][bold]Gary Clark[/bold] wrote: The silent treatment from Saints is not helping the intense speculation surrounding both the manger and players at this football club, There is no doubt the manger has transformed and pushed this club further since taking over from Nigel Adkins (a decision I was livid with at the time) but proved to be the correct one in the long term. Personally I think talk of Champions League is unrealistic and needs sufficient financial backing that we simply can't afford to take that risk in search of this goal, a more realistic target would be to secure European football via both the Capital cup/FA Cup, (which baffles me why we played weakened teams this season when we had a very good opportunity to go all the way! The league maybe worth a shout but Saint's are competing against clubs with bigger financial power, and bigger clubs to attract the kind of players needed. If Saints can persuade MP to sign a long term contract then I have no doubt the players linked with moves away from the club will stay and be part of the new project, they are guaranteed first team football and are being recognized at international level whilst playing for Southampton? so the only reason is MONEY!!!!!!!!! I do not buy into the fact they want to move to a bigger club because you won't play as much, or being ambitious I just think these are excuses used because there easy ones. These players are very lucky no matter what club they play for earning the kind of money myself and many others could only dream of, I work very hard to enable myself and thousands of others to pay for a season ticket to support my local team, something which I'm very proud of, through thick and thin, through the good times and bad times no matter what! I know I'm lucky because not everyone can afford a season ticket either too. Here's a list of players I think Saint's should be looking at to push the club onto the next level. Fraser Forster-Goalkeeper- is a top quality keeper who has played for England and may seek a move away from Scotland to really test how good he is against quality week in week out Lukas Fabiabski-Goalkeeper -has premier/European experience and is out of contract. Micah Richards-CB/RB has premier/European experience and would slot nicely into our current setup, still young and English. Steven Caulker-CB has had an outstanding season for Cardiff, young, English and would give us competition for places. Davide Astori-CB reported to be a long term transfer target of Saints but giving the Osvaldo situation I would not pursue this target against the two above mentioned. Wilfried Zaha-has something Saint's lack which is pace in the final third would add that extra dimension to our attacking play, young English and quality. Victor Moses-again like Zaha has pace and can play up front or out wide and would give our play that extra dimension this season has lacked, again young and English so would be perfect fit. Carlos Vela-the Mexican and former Arsenal striker is playing in Spain and is the natural goalscorer that Saint's are looking for is prolific in scoring, very pacy and would be the type of striker Saint's just need to turn there possession into goals to kill games off and be the difference to turning draw/defeats into wins/draws to improve out points tally to close the gap on the top 6. Javier Hernandez-is another Mexican and a very prolific goalscorer and would offer all the same as above. and Finally Romelu Lukaka-striker, is strong powerful pacy, goalscorer who is still very young at 20 but has been loaned out for the past two seasons, Goalscorers cost money but are worth it in the long term, Chelsea are reported to have signed Diego Costa from Atletico Madrid so his own future might be away from Chelsea? I know Saint's probably won't sign any of these players but these are the kind of players Saint's need to push the club forward and push for European football![/p][/quote]Interesting post which requires a couple of totally different replies. It's likey the silence yesterday from the the club is because they have nothing new to add to what they've been saying for the last month. You too would get ticked off if you were having to say the same thing day after day after day - and soon you would give up because clearly no-one is really listening to a single word you're saying. Don't be so keen to spend the money (especially as it's not ours to spend) Just take a look at who is available free. There's an Anglo-German (Capped by Germany) I think he's with Werder Bremen who is out of contract at the end of their season by the name of Hunt (can play down the flanks or in the centre and is a class act) Valdez is available on a free. Diouf and Gomis (both 10mill strikers who score goals are avail free) Don't splash the cash until you absolutely need to. The last person we need in is Zaha - can't deny he's quick but the team is settled and we don't need his attitude. Had enough of that with Osvaldo. jls217
  • Score: 1

9:32pm Tue 13 May 14

Bingo from Sholing says...

I am quite sure Pochettino will not extend his contract until he can see a credible plan from the executive board. Like me, I think he is very unimpressed with the calibre of the Board so far. They have had quite enough time to have come up with a viable plan for the next 5 years. The Board is messing about like the bunch of elderly bag pipe chambers.
I am quite sure Pochettino will not extend his contract until he can see a credible plan from the executive board. Like me, I think he is very unimpressed with the calibre of the Board so far. They have had quite enough time to have come up with a viable plan for the next 5 years. The Board is messing about like the bunch of elderly bag pipe chambers. Bingo from Sholing
  • Score: 1

12:47am Wed 14 May 14

tomjohara says...

Shaw is ONLY 18, valued around 25 mil, he has had one full good year in the prem with many more to come. The experience and skill he will develop over the next few years will only increase his value. Does shaw have the potential to be the next bale in terms of transfer fees? If so this asset could b worth up to 40 50 mil in a few years, we'd be kicking ourselves in the face if we sell now. Especially as there is no financial need to sell at this moment in time and no pressure as he's tied down for 4/5 more years. As for lallana he's our captain and heart to the team and I believe he is almost invaluable to the team in terms of skill, motivation of other team players, team morale and work rate. Obviously if something stupid like 50 mill was offered we should probably consider accepting.... If I was chairman id be putting the asking price for these players to a ridiculous 40-50 mill to warn off and send the premier league a message that we're not a small club anymore and to stop offending us with these persistent bids. This team is the best we've had in a very long time and the foundations are in place to become one of the greatest Southampton teams in history. Lets push on and reap the rewards of being one of the top teams in one of the best leagues in the world. Strip down the underperformers, get rid of the osvaldos etc and use the money to add to the desired positions. Honestly don't think we're that far off competing with the very best with the way we have performed so consistently this year. I mean for finishing 8th we got around 70-80£ million, surely trying to better that would be in every stakeholders interest for the club. If that's not a good enough incentive for kat to add some more cash to the already excessive amount she sits on then I don't know what is. Fingers crossed the ambition of the board is higher than the players like normal clubs and businesses, unlike the perceived higher desire coming from the players in recent weeks, with calls from players like fonte for the board to match their ambitions.
Shaw is ONLY 18, valued around 25 mil, he has had one full good year in the prem with many more to come. The experience and skill he will develop over the next few years will only increase his value. Does shaw have the potential to be the next bale in terms of transfer fees? If so this asset could b worth up to 40 50 mil in a few years, we'd be kicking ourselves in the face if we sell now. Especially as there is no financial need to sell at this moment in time and no pressure as he's tied down for 4/5 more years. As for lallana he's our captain and heart to the team and I believe he is almost invaluable to the team in terms of skill, motivation of other team players, team morale and work rate. Obviously if something stupid like 50 mill was offered we should probably consider accepting.... If I was chairman id be putting the asking price for these players to a ridiculous 40-50 mill to warn off and send the premier league a message that we're not a small club anymore and to stop offending us with these persistent bids. This team is the best we've had in a very long time and the foundations are in place to become one of the greatest Southampton teams in history. Lets push on and reap the rewards of being one of the top teams in one of the best leagues in the world. Strip down the underperformers, get rid of the osvaldos etc and use the money to add to the desired positions. Honestly don't think we're that far off competing with the very best with the way we have performed so consistently this year. I mean for finishing 8th we got around 70-80£ million, surely trying to better that would be in every stakeholders interest for the club. If that's not a good enough incentive for kat to add some more cash to the already excessive amount she sits on then I don't know what is. Fingers crossed the ambition of the board is higher than the players like normal clubs and businesses, unlike the perceived higher desire coming from the players in recent weeks, with calls from players like fonte for the board to match their ambitions. tomjohara
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2:27pm Mon 19 May 14

FindAndDestroy says...

Well if I have to believe what DE has said.....judging from MoPo's interview, the first 5 years project was to get saints to the door and the next 2 or 5 years to get us inside the house.....,he wants to make sure that is what KAT wants to do ...champions league of course...

I think the club is wealthy enough to achieve the new project....

if he is given what he believes to be a genuine new contract offer and enough funds reinforce his squad to fight to the champions league,

i don't see any reason why he would want to leave for spurs for the same thing that he can achieve here...

What killed us last season was lack of depth, players injuries and sicknesses..because of our style of play, which is very demanding we need to rotate players, if we were to make it to the end......the season is long...

Well over to you KAT...
Well if I have to believe what DE has said.....judging from MoPo's interview, the first 5 years project was to get saints to the door and the next 2 or 5 years to get us inside the house.....,he wants to make sure that is what KAT wants to do ...champions league of course... I think the club is wealthy enough to achieve the new project.... if he is given what he believes to be a genuine new contract offer and enough funds reinforce his squad to fight to the champions league, i don't see any reason why he would want to leave for spurs for the same thing that he can achieve here... What killed us last season was lack of depth, players injuries and sicknesses..because of our style of play, which is very demanding we need to rotate players, if we were to make it to the end......the season is long... Well over to you KAT... FindAndDestroy
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