Southampton FC stay quiet over bids for Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw

Luke Shaw

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Saints have yet to respond to bids for star players Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw.

The Daily Echo understands that big money offers for the pair from Liverpool and Manchester United respectively were received at St Mary’s within hours of the season ending 1-1 draw with the Red Devils.

Further to that, Tottenham’s interest in stricken star Jay Rodriguez, pictured, is understood to be genuine, with Saints bracing themselves for a possible bid for his services too.

Both Lallana and Shaw, named in Roy Hodgson’s England squad for the World Cup yesterday, face uncertain futures.

They are both under long contracts at Saints – until the summer of 2018 – but the size of the offers tabled means they will be hard to ignore.

United are believed to have offered around £25m for 18-year-old left back Shaw, while Liverpool’s bid for Lallana is thought to be more in the £20m range.

But Bournemouth will receive 25 per cent of any fee as part of the deal that was struck when Lallana joined Saints as a 12-year-old.

Saints are not keen to sell either player but know their hands could be forced if the players decide they wish to move.

They are currently weighing up their options.

The future of manager Mauricio Pochettino will also come into the equation.

As exclusively revealed in yesterday’s Daily Echo, Saints have tabled a generous new deal to try and ward off interest from Tottenham in their manager, but as yet it remains unsigned.

Pochettino said in his post-match press conference on Sunday that he was set to meet with the club yesterday, but no such meeting took place.

All in all, there is little to soothe the unease around St Mary’s.

Saints are in danger of becoming victims of their own success.

There is a feeling in the squad that to make the next step up to try and secure European football via the league will require significant investment.

And with that unlikely to be forthcoming, the offers to move up the footballing career ladder seem even more tempting.

Even Pochettino himself has conceded that it will take a huge investment of cash to realistically compete with the clubs at the top end of the table.

Though Manchester United have had a poor season by their own high standards, they are set to invest heavily in their playing squad this summer and unveil Louis van Gaal as their new manager.

That means they will probably only be without Champions League football for one season, which could tempt Shaw.

Liverpool are keen to bag Lallana as they also invest ahead of a Champions League campaign.

When asked about Lallana, Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers said: “Adam is a terrific young talent – there is always speculation about young talent.”

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5:15am Tue 13 May 14

andoru says...

How long does it take to say "F**k off"?
How long does it take to say "F**k off"? andoru
  • Score: 92

5:35am Tue 13 May 14

aldermoorboy says...

Sign no new players, just keep our current team
Sign no new players, just keep our current team aldermoorboy
  • Score: 1

5:52am Tue 13 May 14

montecristosaint says...

this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left??
We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints
Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed.
this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left?? We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed. montecristosaint
  • Score: -114

6:20am Tue 13 May 14

THE12THMAN says...

If the club has the ambition they say they have then all they have to do is tell the clubs who are trying to buy our Crown Jewels that they are not for sale at any price, the silence is from the club is defening, I think they are trying to drag these transfers out so they do not effect the season ticket sales,
If the club has the ambition they say they have then all they have to do is tell the clubs who are trying to buy our Crown Jewels that they are not for sale at any price, the silence is from the club is defening, I think they are trying to drag these transfers out so they do not effect the season ticket sales, THE12THMAN
  • Score: 5

6:26am Tue 13 May 14

PTID1898 says...

Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!! PTID1898
  • Score: -166

6:38am Tue 13 May 14

Manicsaintbloke says...

PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
A lot of money being flashed about there I can understand your jealousy skate
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]A lot of money being flashed about there I can understand your jealousy skate Manicsaintbloke
  • Score: 112

6:54am Tue 13 May 14

Aussie_Saint says...

PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
I think you mean 'you're'. Grammar counts for something, knob head.
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]I think you mean 'you're'. Grammar counts for something, knob head. Aussie_Saint
  • Score: 88

6:56am Tue 13 May 14

Aussie_Saint says...

montecristosaint wrote:
this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left??
We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints
Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed.
Settle down mate. It's all paper talk.

Katherina Liebherr has been nothing but supportive of the club. It's her money that bought players like Lovren, J-Rod, Nat Clyne etc. So to criticise her for showing a lack of commitment is beyond ridiculous.
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left?? We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed.[/p][/quote]Settle down mate. It's all paper talk. Katherina Liebherr has been nothing but supportive of the club. It's her money that bought players like Lovren, J-Rod, Nat Clyne etc. So to criticise her for showing a lack of commitment is beyond ridiculous. Aussie_Saint
  • Score: 132

7:07am Tue 13 May 14

eyresiesaint says...

Why do the skates get involved, these are footballing matters so not something poopey fans know much about, what will happen will happen, but at least we have players worth more than their club, the board so need to get players and poch sorted sooner rather than later to settle everyone down. COYR
Why do the skates get involved, these are footballing matters so not something poopey fans know much about, what will happen will happen, but at least we have players worth more than their club, the board so need to get players and poch sorted sooner rather than later to settle everyone down. COYR eyresiesaint
  • Score: 39

7:09am Tue 13 May 14

Aussie_Saint says...

Adam Leitch, you might want to make up your mind. Yesterday, you claimed in an 'exclusive' that Saints have tabled a generous contract offer to Pochettino. Yet, today you claim that a meeting never took place! Which one is it??? Unless, your 'exclusive' is meant to imply that Les Reed was lying when he said all contract talks would be dealt with after the end of the season.
Adam Leitch, you might want to make up your mind. Yesterday, you claimed in an 'exclusive' that Saints have tabled a generous contract offer to Pochettino. Yet, today you claim that a meeting never took place! Which one is it??? Unless, your 'exclusive' is meant to imply that Les Reed was lying when he said all contract talks would be dealt with after the end of the season. Aussie_Saint
  • Score: 26

7:17am Tue 13 May 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
Toss*r
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Toss*r SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 46

7:22am Tue 13 May 14

Puddletown Saint says...

Conversation between management and players:
Okay lads – can you guarantee me you all want to stay
Yes Boss
So what we will do is wind the press and other clubs up
How Boss
Tell them you want Champions league, say you have high ambitions and say you will review everything in the summer. We will do the same.
Why Boss
We can then tell them all to F**k Off at the end of the window !!!!!!
COYR
Conversation between management and players: Okay lads – can you guarantee me you all want to stay Yes Boss So what we will do is wind the press and other clubs up How Boss Tell them you want Champions league, say you have high ambitions and say you will review everything in the summer. We will do the same. Why Boss We can then tell them all to F**k Off at the end of the window !!!!!! COYR Puddletown Saint
  • Score: 42

7:22am Tue 13 May 14

saint christopher says...

Unfortunately the increasing sense of panic felt by many fans has largely been created by the club itself, who should have been more proactive and open regarding their future plans and investment. Their silence has only encouraged the circling vultures and led to an increasingly unstable and unsettling situation.

All this needs sorting before the Wold Cup, yet at the same time it's surely madness to even talk about selling players who are about play on the world stage for he first time and whose value is likely to be significantly more once the WC has finished.

My gut reaction for what it's worth is that the club can probably persuade Potch to stay for the moment but that the serious investment required this summer will only happen if at least Shaw and/or Lallana are sold (at the right price). If it was only one the logical choice would be Shaw, whose loss I believe would be less significant and easier to rectify than Lallana's.

Unfortunately we're all mushrooms at the momet and the sooner we're given some light the better.
Unfortunately the increasing sense of panic felt by many fans has largely been created by the club itself, who should have been more proactive and open regarding their future plans and investment. Their silence has only encouraged the circling vultures and led to an increasingly unstable and unsettling situation. All this needs sorting before the Wold Cup, yet at the same time it's surely madness to even talk about selling players who are about play on the world stage for he first time and whose value is likely to be significantly more once the WC has finished. My gut reaction for what it's worth is that the club can probably persuade Potch to stay for the moment but that the serious investment required this summer will only happen if at least Shaw and/or Lallana are sold (at the right price). If it was only one the logical choice would be Shaw, whose loss I believe would be less significant and easier to rectify than Lallana's. Unfortunately we're all mushrooms at the momet and the sooner we're given some light the better. saint christopher
  • Score: 48

7:23am Tue 13 May 14

Clever Dick says...

PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
Where are you going?
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Where are you going? Clever Dick
  • Score: 34

7:34am Tue 13 May 14

Aussie_Saint says...

saint christopher wrote:
Unfortunately the increasing sense of panic felt by many fans has largely been created by the club itself, who should have been more proactive and open regarding their future plans and investment. Their silence has only encouraged the circling vultures and led to an increasingly unstable and unsettling situation.

All this needs sorting before the Wold Cup, yet at the same time it's surely madness to even talk about selling players who are about play on the world stage for he first time and whose value is likely to be significantly more once the WC has finished.

My gut reaction for what it's worth is that the club can probably persuade Potch to stay for the moment but that the serious investment required this summer will only happen if at least Shaw and/or Lallana are sold (at the right price). If it was only one the logical choice would be Shaw, whose loss I believe would be less significant and easier to rectify than Lallana's.

Unfortunately we're all mushrooms at the momet and the sooner we're given some light the better.
To be honest, I think the Club has been pretty open. Les Reed's statement was pretty unequivocal. I think it's purely the media jumping on the fact that MoPo hasn't had his contract extended yet, which was likely his decision as he will want guarantees as to transfer budget and the long term vision of the club (both of which he implied in his recent press conference).

I don't think we require as much money as you might think in order to push into the top 6, and maybe even top 4. A figure of, say, £25m from the Club (less than in previous years), plus the proceeds of Osvaldo's sale (shouldn't be less than £10m) should give us at least £35m to play with. Spent prudently, that should be ample to buy a back up keeper, a new striker and a first-choice CB. Those additions, coupled with the natural progression and maturing of our incredibly young squad will lead to a significant improvement in playing standards.

In saying all of that, I agree that if we HAD to sell one person, I would prefer it to be Shaw.
[quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately the increasing sense of panic felt by many fans has largely been created by the club itself, who should have been more proactive and open regarding their future plans and investment. Their silence has only encouraged the circling vultures and led to an increasingly unstable and unsettling situation. All this needs sorting before the Wold Cup, yet at the same time it's surely madness to even talk about selling players who are about play on the world stage for he first time and whose value is likely to be significantly more once the WC has finished. My gut reaction for what it's worth is that the club can probably persuade Potch to stay for the moment but that the serious investment required this summer will only happen if at least Shaw and/or Lallana are sold (at the right price). If it was only one the logical choice would be Shaw, whose loss I believe would be less significant and easier to rectify than Lallana's. Unfortunately we're all mushrooms at the momet and the sooner we're given some light the better.[/p][/quote]To be honest, I think the Club has been pretty open. Les Reed's statement was pretty unequivocal. I think it's purely the media jumping on the fact that MoPo hasn't had his contract extended yet, which was likely his decision as he will want guarantees as to transfer budget and the long term vision of the club (both of which he implied in his recent press conference). I don't think we require as much money as you might think in order to push into the top 6, and maybe even top 4. A figure of, say, £25m from the Club (less than in previous years), plus the proceeds of Osvaldo's sale (shouldn't be less than £10m) should give us at least £35m to play with. Spent prudently, that should be ample to buy a back up keeper, a new striker and a first-choice CB. Those additions, coupled with the natural progression and maturing of our incredibly young squad will lead to a significant improvement in playing standards. In saying all of that, I agree that if we HAD to sell one person, I would prefer it to be Shaw. Aussie_Saint
  • Score: 43

7:35am Tue 13 May 14

Clever Dick says...

montecristosaint wrote:
this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left??
We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints
Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed.
Oh dear. Try topping up your much less than half full glass. You seem almost suicidal ove a couple of stories which arn't even new.No players are not for sale in any club if th price is right. Why on earth do you think Katharina would sell all of our best players. If that was her plan every player she sold would diminish the value of the club by the amount sold for. Therefore she would have made no more money than if she sold it as it is now. In fact she would get less because the club wouldn't be worth a lot without it's main assets. Don't panic Mr Mannering!
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left?? We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed.[/p][/quote]Oh dear. Try topping up your much less than half full glass. You seem almost suicidal ove a couple of stories which arn't even new.No players are not for sale in any club if th price is right. Why on earth do you think Katharina would sell all of our best players. If that was her plan every player she sold would diminish the value of the club by the amount sold for. Therefore she would have made no more money than if she sold it as it is now. In fact she would get less because the club wouldn't be worth a lot without it's main assets. Don't panic Mr Mannering! Clever Dick
  • Score: 7

7:46am Tue 13 May 14

redsnapper says...

Adam. Instead of this lazy journalism and rehashing the same old rumours and negativity about SFC over and over again why don,t you and your fellow scribblers start assessing potential new players to join us in the summer. Hopefully you will have noticed our style of play and can figure who would fit in.

Enough of this transfer speculation unless you can get something definite from the players/ agents/ club...unlikely.
Adam. Instead of this lazy journalism and rehashing the same old rumours and negativity about SFC over and over again why don,t you and your fellow scribblers start assessing potential new players to join us in the summer. Hopefully you will have noticed our style of play and can figure who would fit in. Enough of this transfer speculation unless you can get something definite from the players/ agents/ club...unlikely. redsnapper
  • Score: 22

7:50am Tue 13 May 14

St Forlife says...

These transfer fees are ludicrous - we keep everyone together and we won't finish bottom half next season and with the attractive football we will get more TV exposure and so that's another £80m in the coffers. Sell them and its bottom half - £30m in (after payment to Bmth) but probably £30m less next year as 5 places dropped. Then we spend some of the money coming in on players that are not as good and suddenly we are looking like oafs.

Keeping them is a no brainer - cost as much in extra wages as places dropped in the league if we sell.
These transfer fees are ludicrous - we keep everyone together and we won't finish bottom half next season and with the attractive football we will get more TV exposure and so that's another £80m in the coffers. Sell them and its bottom half - £30m in (after payment to Bmth) but probably £30m less next year as 5 places dropped. Then we spend some of the money coming in on players that are not as good and suddenly we are looking like oafs. Keeping them is a no brainer - cost as much in extra wages as places dropped in the league if we sell. St Forlife
  • Score: 17

7:58am Tue 13 May 14

Clever Dick says...

redsnapper wrote:
Adam. Instead of this lazy journalism and rehashing the same old rumours and negativity about SFC over and over again why don,t you and your fellow scribblers start assessing potential new players to join us in the summer. Hopefully you will have noticed our style of play and can figure who would fit in.

Enough of this transfer speculation unless you can get something definite from the players/ agents/ club...unlikely.
Yeah. Let's say 25 million for Adam, 30 million for Luke, 10 million for Osvaldo and 25 million transfer kitty. Bmuff get around 6 of the Lallana deal. That leaves 84 million. Pretty tasty. Now people are saying Spuds wasted the Gareth Bale money but hello......they finished above us in the league and they signed some very good players.. Given that foreign imports often take a while to settle in a new country , they could still be a force next season . So come on DE lets have some realistic and believable stories abut incoming players.
[quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: Adam. Instead of this lazy journalism and rehashing the same old rumours and negativity about SFC over and over again why don,t you and your fellow scribblers start assessing potential new players to join us in the summer. Hopefully you will have noticed our style of play and can figure who would fit in. Enough of this transfer speculation unless you can get something definite from the players/ agents/ club...unlikely.[/p][/quote]Yeah. Let's say 25 million for Adam, 30 million for Luke, 10 million for Osvaldo and 25 million transfer kitty. Bmuff get around 6 of the Lallana deal. That leaves 84 million. Pretty tasty. Now people are saying Spuds wasted the Gareth Bale money but hello......they finished above us in the league and they signed some very good players.. Given that foreign imports often take a while to settle in a new country , they could still be a force next season . So come on DE lets have some realistic and believable stories abut incoming players. Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

8:13am Tue 13 May 14

saintbobby says...

Just back from a nice sunny holiday and can now watch the last 2 games on MoD.

But, I am just waiting for 2 words - YES from Poch and NO to Manure and Diverpool. Actually, perhaps that should be NO, NO, NO and ......FO!!
Just back from a nice sunny holiday and can now watch the last 2 games on MoD. But, I am just waiting for 2 words - YES from Poch and NO to Manure and Diverpool. Actually, perhaps that should be NO, NO, NO and ......FO!! saintbobby
  • Score: 9

8:19am Tue 13 May 14

Saint Jinx says...

Aussie_Saint wrote:
PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
I think you mean 'you're'. Grammar counts for something, knob head.
There is nothing worse than someone who knows nothing about grammar trying to make a statement.

You're = you are
"your jealousy" is perfectly correct.
We all know that English is not Pompey's strong point, well, in fact you haven't got ANY strong points...
Sorry.
[quote][p][bold]Aussie_Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]I think you mean 'you're'. Grammar counts for something, knob head.[/p][/quote]There is nothing worse than someone who knows nothing about grammar trying to make a statement. You're = you are "your jealousy" is perfectly correct. We all know that English is not Pompey's strong point, well, in fact you haven't got ANY strong points... Sorry. Saint Jinx
  • Score: 9

8:28am Tue 13 May 14

Saint Jinx says...

Aussie_Saint wrote:
PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
I think you mean 'you're'. Grammar counts for something, knob head.
Oops.
I said the following thinking the Pompey guy made the mistake.
Sorry mate.
I misread it.
================
There is nothing worse than someone who knows nothing about grammar trying to make a statement.

You're = you are
"your jealousy" is perfectly correct.
We all know that English is not Pompey's strong point, well, in fact you haven't got ANY strong points...
Sorry.
=============
[quote][p][bold]Aussie_Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]I think you mean 'you're'. Grammar counts for something, knob head.[/p][/quote]Oops. I said the following thinking the Pompey guy made the mistake. Sorry mate. I misread it. ================ There is nothing worse than someone who knows nothing about grammar trying to make a statement. You're = you are "your jealousy" is perfectly correct. We all know that English is not Pompey's strong point, well, in fact you haven't got ANY strong points... Sorry. ============= Saint Jinx
  • Score: 0

8:32am Tue 13 May 14

Saint Jinx says...

No, I was right.

The pompey guy was wrong on both counts.
Aussie Saint was right of course.
No, I was right. The pompey guy was wrong on both counts. Aussie Saint was right of course. Saint Jinx
  • Score: 8

8:38am Tue 13 May 14

Clever Dick says...

Saint Jinx wrote:
Aussie_Saint wrote:
PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
I think you mean 'you're'. Grammar counts for something, knob head.
Oops.
I said the following thinking the Pompey guy made the mistake.
Sorry mate.
I misread it.
================
There is nothing worse than someone who knows nothing about grammar trying to make a statement.

You're = you are
"your jealousy" is perfectly correct.
We all know that English is not Pompey's strong point, well, in fact you haven't got ANY strong points...
Sorry.
=============
This is all getting a bit technical for a Skunt to understand. They don't do apostrophes on Portsea Island. They did try to introduce it in the schools once but they kept thinking the teacher was saying "a past trophy". That's why they keep referring to their ancient history. It's all they have left.
[quote][p][bold]Saint Jinx[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aussie_Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]I think you mean 'you're'. Grammar counts for something, knob head.[/p][/quote]Oops. I said the following thinking the Pompey guy made the mistake. Sorry mate. I misread it. ================ There is nothing worse than someone who knows nothing about grammar trying to make a statement. You're = you are "your jealousy" is perfectly correct. We all know that English is not Pompey's strong point, well, in fact you haven't got ANY strong points... Sorry. =============[/p][/quote]This is all getting a bit technical for a Skunt to understand. They don't do apostrophes on Portsea Island. They did try to introduce it in the schools once but they kept thinking the teacher was saying "a past trophy". That's why they keep referring to their ancient history. It's all they have left. Clever Dick
  • Score: 27

8:43am Tue 13 May 14

05che13 says...

PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
We'll throw a couple of million your way, keep you alive another couple of years
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]We'll throw a couple of million your way, keep you alive another couple of years 05che13
  • Score: 0

9:02am Tue 13 May 14

jls217 says...

HOW MANY MORE TIMES (and I am shouting) IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR POCH TO SIGN ANYTHING.
HE IS UNDER CONTRACT UNTIL THE END OF NEXT SEASON. MAYBE JUST MAYBE THERE IS NOTHING BEING SAID BECAUSE HE HAS ALREADY SAID IT ALL WHEN HE SAYS HE HAS ANOTHER YEAR ON HIS ******* CONTRACT. LEAVE IT ALONE HE'S OUR MANAGER FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR. STOP TORTURING YOURSELVES.

The players in or out - different matter altogether - though there is still nothing more to be said than the club has already said. What a ridiculous waste of newspaper print this non-story is.
HOW MANY MORE TIMES (and I am shouting) IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR POCH TO SIGN ANYTHING. HE IS UNDER CONTRACT UNTIL THE END OF NEXT SEASON. MAYBE JUST MAYBE THERE IS NOTHING BEING SAID BECAUSE HE HAS ALREADY SAID IT ALL WHEN HE SAYS HE HAS ANOTHER YEAR ON HIS ******* CONTRACT. LEAVE IT ALONE HE'S OUR MANAGER FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR. STOP TORTURING YOURSELVES. The players in or out - different matter altogether - though there is still nothing more to be said than the club has already said. What a ridiculous waste of newspaper print this non-story is. jls217
  • Score: 7

9:02am Tue 13 May 14

JohnItaly says...

This media feeding frenzy surrounding our beloved Club has to be brought under control asap for the sake of everyone. It is very much in the Club's hands and I am positive once the future of MoPo is known (as I'm sure this is the key) then those players who are leaving or not will also be resolved quickly giving the Club the maximum time to formulate and implement their plans for next season. Time will be more imperative if a new manager has to be appointed. Once the WC gets under way I suspect little will be done by way of transfer business with all eyes on Brazil. In addition I suspect Roy Hodgson will not be best pleased if the futures of Shaw and Lallana remains in the air as this could have an unsettling effect on their performances as well as a knock on effect to Rickie Lambert.
This media feeding frenzy surrounding our beloved Club has to be brought under control asap for the sake of everyone. It is very much in the Club's hands and I am positive once the future of MoPo is known (as I'm sure this is the key) then those players who are leaving or not will also be resolved quickly giving the Club the maximum time to formulate and implement their plans for next season. Time will be more imperative if a new manager has to be appointed. Once the WC gets under way I suspect little will be done by way of transfer business with all eyes on Brazil. In addition I suspect Roy Hodgson will not be best pleased if the futures of Shaw and Lallana remains in the air as this could have an unsettling effect on their performances as well as a knock on effect to Rickie Lambert. JohnItaly
  • Score: 2

9:05am Tue 13 May 14

cpnhadock says...

PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
Ha ha ha ha... Love it when even the slightest bit of speculation makes the gypsies from down the road pipe up.

Even a 7year old from our youth system would command bigger wages than the entire Pompey squad.

CoYR
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Ha ha ha ha... Love it when even the slightest bit of speculation makes the gypsies from down the road pipe up. Even a 7year old from our youth system would command bigger wages than the entire Pompey squad. CoYR cpnhadock
  • Score: 14

9:06am Tue 13 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
montecristosaint wrote:
this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left??
We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints
Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed.
Oh dear. Try topping up your much less than half full glass. You seem almost suicidal ove a couple of stories which arn't even new.No players are not for sale in any club if th price is right. Why on earth do you think Katharina would sell all of our best players. If that was her plan every player she sold would diminish the value of the club by the amount sold for. Therefore she would have made no more money than if she sold it as it is now. In fact she would get less because the club wouldn't be worth a lot without it's main assets. Don't panic Mr Mannering!
This is just a short version of an even more unbelievable rant from Monty on an earlier thread. In the longer one he claims that we wont buy any foreign players because les reed doesn't speak any other languages! I take it pardew is fluent in French then. If you need a good laugh go and read it.
Its reported in one paper today, guardian I think, that saints have turned down manures Shaw bid, so not keeping as quiet as suggested!
Did NC know a lot about football before becoming chairman?
So who's feeling betrayed then because I'm not!
Let some do all the bedwetting they like whilst we enjoy watching saints players in the world cup.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left?? We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed.[/p][/quote]Oh dear. Try topping up your much less than half full glass. You seem almost suicidal ove a couple of stories which arn't even new.No players are not for sale in any club if th price is right. Why on earth do you think Katharina would sell all of our best players. If that was her plan every player she sold would diminish the value of the club by the amount sold for. Therefore she would have made no more money than if she sold it as it is now. In fact she would get less because the club wouldn't be worth a lot without it's main assets. Don't panic Mr Mannering![/p][/quote]This is just a short version of an even more unbelievable rant from Monty on an earlier thread. In the longer one he claims that we wont buy any foreign players because les reed doesn't speak any other languages! I take it pardew is fluent in French then. If you need a good laugh go and read it. Its reported in one paper today, guardian I think, that saints have turned down manures Shaw bid, so not keeping as quiet as suggested! Did NC know a lot about football before becoming chairman? So who's feeling betrayed then because I'm not! Let some do all the bedwetting they like whilst we enjoy watching saints players in the world cup. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 4

9:06am Tue 13 May 14

cpnhadock says...

Clever Dick wrote:
PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
Where are you going?
Btw I think it is "you are done" and not "your done".... Have all the teachers left Leigh Park?
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Where are you going?[/p][/quote]Btw I think it is "you are done" and not "your done".... Have all the teachers left Leigh Park? cpnhadock
  • Score: 6

9:12am Tue 13 May 14

Clever Dick says...

cpnhadock wrote:
PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
Ha ha ha ha... Love it when even the slightest bit of speculation makes the gypsies from down the road pipe up.

Even a 7year old from our youth system would command bigger wages than the entire Pompey squad.

CoYR
It's gotta be pretty upsetting for the Skunts to know that every single one of our players is worth more than their entire club. In fact the annual salary of every one of our first team squad is more than their embarrassing little club. I'm almost feeling sorry for them..........NOT!
[quote][p][bold]cpnhadock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Ha ha ha ha... Love it when even the slightest bit of speculation makes the gypsies from down the road pipe up. Even a 7year old from our youth system would command bigger wages than the entire Pompey squad. CoYR[/p][/quote]It's gotta be pretty upsetting for the Skunts to know that every single one of our players is worth more than their entire club. In fact the annual salary of every one of our first team squad is more than their embarrassing little club. I'm almost feeling sorry for them..........NOT! Clever Dick
  • Score: 4

9:12am Tue 13 May 14

M Clarke says...

After such a great season it's a shame that we now have such uncertainty. I expect one player to be sold but if the media were to be believed then we will not have team next season. I believe Mr Pochettino is holding out for an offer from another Club or I think he would have said simply I'm staying This would be a shame as he has done such a great job here. He should remember that before he arrived at St Mary's he was out of work and relatively unknown in this country. If he does go then may I suggest Eddie Howe at Bournemouth would be worth looking at. I listened to Ralph Krueger on radio on Sunday. He reminded me of Rupert Lowe in that he knows a lot about hockey but little about football and what he did say was basically meaningless twaddle. These are worrying times for fans but let's hope that Ms Liebher, Mr Krueger and co really do want to take our Club forward and not backwards.
After such a great season it's a shame that we now have such uncertainty. I expect one player to be sold but if the media were to be believed then we will not have team next season. I believe Mr Pochettino is holding out for an offer from another Club or I think he would have said simply I'm staying This would be a shame as he has done such a great job here. He should remember that before he arrived at St Mary's he was out of work and relatively unknown in this country. If he does go then may I suggest Eddie Howe at Bournemouth would be worth looking at. I listened to Ralph Krueger on radio on Sunday. He reminded me of Rupert Lowe in that he knows a lot about hockey but little about football and what he did say was basically meaningless twaddle. These are worrying times for fans but let's hope that Ms Liebher, Mr Krueger and co really do want to take our Club forward and not backwards. M Clarke
  • Score: -1

9:15am Tue 13 May 14

Costa Baz says...

This was posted on Saints Web, yesterday evening.

"News from a club source today. 2 bids were made today, both will most likely be rejected. Neither players are forcing a move. Also talks were held with Mopo, and went well but frequenty interrupted (Bids & WC squad announcements) So, every cloud has a silver lining"

When pressed, the poster claimed the source was a player which, if true, gives a happier slant on things.
Especially the second line "neither players are forcing a move".

The Guardian also reported the Man Utd bid had been rejected.

If talks are continuing, with MP today, I would suggest switching on the answer phone, to stop interruptions.
This was posted on Saints Web, yesterday evening. "News from a club source today. 2 bids were made today, both will most likely be rejected. Neither players are forcing a move. Also talks were held with Mopo, and went well but frequenty interrupted (Bids & WC squad announcements) So, every cloud has a silver lining" When pressed, the poster claimed the source was a player which, if true, gives a happier slant on things. Especially the second line "neither players are forcing a move". The Guardian also reported the Man Utd bid had been rejected. If talks are continuing, with MP today, I would suggest switching on the answer phone, to stop interruptions. Costa Baz
  • Score: 12

9:17am Tue 13 May 14

george chivers says...

jls217 wrote:
HOW MANY MORE TIMES (and I am shouting) IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR POCH TO SIGN ANYTHING.
HE IS UNDER CONTRACT UNTIL THE END OF NEXT SEASON. MAYBE JUST MAYBE THERE IS NOTHING BEING SAID BECAUSE HE HAS ALREADY SAID IT ALL WHEN HE SAYS HE HAS ANOTHER YEAR ON HIS ******* CONTRACT. LEAVE IT ALONE HE'S OUR MANAGER FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR. STOP TORTURING YOURSELVES.

The players in or out - different matter altogether - though there is still nothing more to be said than the club has already said. What a ridiculous waste of newspaper print this non-story is.
You can't put a 5 year plan together with a manager who has one year left on his contract. If he won't sign for another 4 years it would be better to let him go and replace him now. We need continuity to get success.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: HOW MANY MORE TIMES (and I am shouting) IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR POCH TO SIGN ANYTHING. HE IS UNDER CONTRACT UNTIL THE END OF NEXT SEASON. MAYBE JUST MAYBE THERE IS NOTHING BEING SAID BECAUSE HE HAS ALREADY SAID IT ALL WHEN HE SAYS HE HAS ANOTHER YEAR ON HIS ******* CONTRACT. LEAVE IT ALONE HE'S OUR MANAGER FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR. STOP TORTURING YOURSELVES. The players in or out - different matter altogether - though there is still nothing more to be said than the club has already said. What a ridiculous waste of newspaper print this non-story is.[/p][/quote]You can't put a 5 year plan together with a manager who has one year left on his contract. If he won't sign for another 4 years it would be better to let him go and replace him now. We need continuity to get success. george chivers
  • Score: -5

9:19am Tue 13 May 14

Clever Dick says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
montecristosaint wrote:
this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left??
We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints
Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed.
Oh dear. Try topping up your much less than half full glass. You seem almost suicidal ove a couple of stories which arn't even new.No players are not for sale in any club if th price is right. Why on earth do you think Katharina would sell all of our best players. If that was her plan every player she sold would diminish the value of the club by the amount sold for. Therefore she would have made no more money than if she sold it as it is now. In fact she would get less because the club wouldn't be worth a lot without it's main assets. Don't panic Mr Mannering!
This is just a short version of an even more unbelievable rant from Monty on an earlier thread. In the longer one he claims that we wont buy any foreign players because les reed doesn't speak any other languages! I take it pardew is fluent in French then. If you need a good laugh go and read it.
Its reported in one paper today, guardian I think, that saints have turned down manures Shaw bid, so not keeping as quiet as suggested!
Did NC know a lot about football before becoming chairman?
So who's feeling betrayed then because I'm not!
Let some do all the bedwetting they like whilst we enjoy watching saints players in the world cup.
I'm not feeling betrayed in the slightest either. Whilst it would be fantastic to keep this squad together and add to it we have to be realistic. We've played as good football as anybody in the league and it's inevitable that there will be interest in our players. What matters is the quality of the side we have at the start of the season. It's definitely going to be an interesting few months though. All aboard!!
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left?? We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed.[/p][/quote]Oh dear. Try topping up your much less than half full glass. You seem almost suicidal ove a couple of stories which arn't even new.No players are not for sale in any club if th price is right. Why on earth do you think Katharina would sell all of our best players. If that was her plan every player she sold would diminish the value of the club by the amount sold for. Therefore she would have made no more money than if she sold it as it is now. In fact she would get less because the club wouldn't be worth a lot without it's main assets. Don't panic Mr Mannering![/p][/quote]This is just a short version of an even more unbelievable rant from Monty on an earlier thread. In the longer one he claims that we wont buy any foreign players because les reed doesn't speak any other languages! I take it pardew is fluent in French then. If you need a good laugh go and read it. Its reported in one paper today, guardian I think, that saints have turned down manures Shaw bid, so not keeping as quiet as suggested! Did NC know a lot about football before becoming chairman? So who's feeling betrayed then because I'm not! Let some do all the bedwetting they like whilst we enjoy watching saints players in the world cup.[/p][/quote]I'm not feeling betrayed in the slightest either. Whilst it would be fantastic to keep this squad together and add to it we have to be realistic. We've played as good football as anybody in the league and it's inevitable that there will be interest in our players. What matters is the quality of the side we have at the start of the season. It's definitely going to be an interesting few months though. All aboard!! Clever Dick
  • Score: 6

9:26am Tue 13 May 14

Clever Dick says...

george chivers wrote:
jls217 wrote:
HOW MANY MORE TIMES (and I am shouting) IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR POCH TO SIGN ANYTHING.
HE IS UNDER CONTRACT UNTIL THE END OF NEXT SEASON. MAYBE JUST MAYBE THERE IS NOTHING BEING SAID BECAUSE HE HAS ALREADY SAID IT ALL WHEN HE SAYS HE HAS ANOTHER YEAR ON HIS ******* CONTRACT. LEAVE IT ALONE HE'S OUR MANAGER FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR. STOP TORTURING YOURSELVES.

The players in or out - different matter altogether - though there is still nothing more to be said than the club has already said. What a ridiculous waste of newspaper print this non-story is.
You can't put a 5 year plan together with a manager who has one year left on his contract. If he won't sign for another 4 years it would be better to let him go and replace him now. We need continuity to get success.
During our last (successful) five year plan we actually had 3 managers.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: HOW MANY MORE TIMES (and I am shouting) IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR POCH TO SIGN ANYTHING. HE IS UNDER CONTRACT UNTIL THE END OF NEXT SEASON. MAYBE JUST MAYBE THERE IS NOTHING BEING SAID BECAUSE HE HAS ALREADY SAID IT ALL WHEN HE SAYS HE HAS ANOTHER YEAR ON HIS ******* CONTRACT. LEAVE IT ALONE HE'S OUR MANAGER FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR. STOP TORTURING YOURSELVES. The players in or out - different matter altogether - though there is still nothing more to be said than the club has already said. What a ridiculous waste of newspaper print this non-story is.[/p][/quote]You can't put a 5 year plan together with a manager who has one year left on his contract. If he won't sign for another 4 years it would be better to let him go and replace him now. We need continuity to get success.[/p][/quote]During our last (successful) five year plan we actually had 3 managers. Clever Dick
  • Score: 11

9:28am Tue 13 May 14

george chivers says...

Aussie_Saint wrote:
saint christopher wrote:
Unfortunately the increasing sense of panic felt by many fans has largely been created by the club itself, who should have been more proactive and open regarding their future plans and investment. Their silence has only encouraged the circling vultures and led to an increasingly unstable and unsettling situation.

All this needs sorting before the Wold Cup, yet at the same time it's surely madness to even talk about selling players who are about play on the world stage for he first time and whose value is likely to be significantly more once the WC has finished.

My gut reaction for what it's worth is that the club can probably persuade Potch to stay for the moment but that the serious investment required this summer will only happen if at least Shaw and/or Lallana are sold (at the right price). If it was only one the logical choice would be Shaw, whose loss I believe would be less significant and easier to rectify than Lallana's.

Unfortunately we're all mushrooms at the momet and the sooner we're given some light the better.
To be honest, I think the Club has been pretty open. Les Reed's statement was pretty unequivocal. I think it's purely the media jumping on the fact that MoPo hasn't had his contract extended yet, which was likely his decision as he will want guarantees as to transfer budget and the long term vision of the club (both of which he implied in his recent press conference).

I don't think we require as much money as you might think in order to push into the top 6, and maybe even top 4. A figure of, say, £25m from the Club (less than in previous years), plus the proceeds of Osvaldo's sale (shouldn't be less than £10m) should give us at least £35m to play with. Spent prudently, that should be ample to buy a back up keeper, a new striker and a first-choice CB. Those additions, coupled with the natural progression and maturing of our incredibly young squad will lead to a significant improvement in playing standards.

In saying all of that, I agree that if we HAD to sell one person, I would prefer it to be Shaw.
I like your optimism but you also need to consider what the clubs in the top six will spend, which will I think be more than 35M. Also consider the teams in the top six haven't changed for 7 years. That I think puts it into perspective in terms of what £35M will get us. I think we need spend that amount to stay in the same place or just one spot better and keep AL. And prices/wages will increase in proportion to the increased revenues PL teams are receiving in the new season. We need to find some bargains from somewhere.
[quote][p][bold]Aussie_Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately the increasing sense of panic felt by many fans has largely been created by the club itself, who should have been more proactive and open regarding their future plans and investment. Their silence has only encouraged the circling vultures and led to an increasingly unstable and unsettling situation. All this needs sorting before the Wold Cup, yet at the same time it's surely madness to even talk about selling players who are about play on the world stage for he first time and whose value is likely to be significantly more once the WC has finished. My gut reaction for what it's worth is that the club can probably persuade Potch to stay for the moment but that the serious investment required this summer will only happen if at least Shaw and/or Lallana are sold (at the right price). If it was only one the logical choice would be Shaw, whose loss I believe would be less significant and easier to rectify than Lallana's. Unfortunately we're all mushrooms at the momet and the sooner we're given some light the better.[/p][/quote]To be honest, I think the Club has been pretty open. Les Reed's statement was pretty unequivocal. I think it's purely the media jumping on the fact that MoPo hasn't had his contract extended yet, which was likely his decision as he will want guarantees as to transfer budget and the long term vision of the club (both of which he implied in his recent press conference). I don't think we require as much money as you might think in order to push into the top 6, and maybe even top 4. A figure of, say, £25m from the Club (less than in previous years), plus the proceeds of Osvaldo's sale (shouldn't be less than £10m) should give us at least £35m to play with. Spent prudently, that should be ample to buy a back up keeper, a new striker and a first-choice CB. Those additions, coupled with the natural progression and maturing of our incredibly young squad will lead to a significant improvement in playing standards. In saying all of that, I agree that if we HAD to sell one person, I would prefer it to be Shaw.[/p][/quote]I like your optimism but you also need to consider what the clubs in the top six will spend, which will I think be more than 35M. Also consider the teams in the top six haven't changed for 7 years. That I think puts it into perspective in terms of what £35M will get us. I think we need spend that amount to stay in the same place or just one spot better and keep AL. And prices/wages will increase in proportion to the increased revenues PL teams are receiving in the new season. We need to find some bargains from somewhere. george chivers
  • Score: -1

9:35am Tue 13 May 14

saintbobby says...

jls217 wrote:
HOW MANY MORE TIMES (and I am shouting) IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR POCH TO SIGN ANYTHING.
HE IS UNDER CONTRACT UNTIL THE END OF NEXT SEASON. MAYBE JUST MAYBE THERE IS NOTHING BEING SAID BECAUSE HE HAS ALREADY SAID IT ALL WHEN HE SAYS HE HAS ANOTHER YEAR ON HIS ******* CONTRACT. LEAVE IT ALONE HE'S OUR MANAGER FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR. STOP TORTURING YOURSELVES.

The players in or out - different matter altogether - though there is still nothing more to be said than the club has already said. What a ridiculous waste of newspaper print this non-story is.
Of course, you are right, jls.

But, I reckon we sort of think if Poch signed a good extension for another 5 years, then we would all feel much, much better. Sadly, a lot of contracts have not proved to be worth the paper they are written on - as it was.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: HOW MANY MORE TIMES (and I am shouting) IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR POCH TO SIGN ANYTHING. HE IS UNDER CONTRACT UNTIL THE END OF NEXT SEASON. MAYBE JUST MAYBE THERE IS NOTHING BEING SAID BECAUSE HE HAS ALREADY SAID IT ALL WHEN HE SAYS HE HAS ANOTHER YEAR ON HIS ******* CONTRACT. LEAVE IT ALONE HE'S OUR MANAGER FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR. STOP TORTURING YOURSELVES. The players in or out - different matter altogether - though there is still nothing more to be said than the club has already said. What a ridiculous waste of newspaper print this non-story is.[/p][/quote]Of course, you are right, jls. But, I reckon we sort of think if Poch signed a good extension for another 5 years, then we would all feel much, much better. Sadly, a lot of contracts have not proved to be worth the paper they are written on - as it was. saintbobby
  • Score: 0

9:39am Tue 13 May 14

killared says...

PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
Pathetic moron we don't have to send to send our kids to deal with your Team or Eastleigh FC for that matter ! We just have to send Sholing FC to beat your team. Anything that come out of Southampton is great Saint's , Eastleigh FC and Sholing nothing good come out of that city except the train !
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Pathetic moron we don't have to send to send our kids to deal with your Team or Eastleigh FC for that matter ! We just have to send Sholing FC to beat your team. Anything that come out of Southampton is great Saint's , Eastleigh FC and Sholing nothing good come out of that city except the train ! killared
  • Score: 4

9:53am Tue 13 May 14

george chivers says...

Clever Dick wrote:
george chivers wrote:
jls217 wrote:
HOW MANY MORE TIMES (and I am shouting) IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR POCH TO SIGN ANYTHING.
HE IS UNDER CONTRACT UNTIL THE END OF NEXT SEASON. MAYBE JUST MAYBE THERE IS NOTHING BEING SAID BECAUSE HE HAS ALREADY SAID IT ALL WHEN HE SAYS HE HAS ANOTHER YEAR ON HIS ******* CONTRACT. LEAVE IT ALONE HE'S OUR MANAGER FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR. STOP TORTURING YOURSELVES.

The players in or out - different matter altogether - though there is still nothing more to be said than the club has already said. What a ridiculous waste of newspaper print this non-story is.
You can't put a 5 year plan together with a manager who has one year left on his contract. If he won't sign for another 4 years it would be better to let him go and replace him now. We need continuity to get success.
During our last (successful) five year plan we actually had 3 managers.
in fact it was 4 if you include Dean Wilkins. But my point is you can't put a five year plan in place based on a manager who has one year left to run on his contract. And the players won't like it or be motivated correctly, especially if they like the manager.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: HOW MANY MORE TIMES (and I am shouting) IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR POCH TO SIGN ANYTHING. HE IS UNDER CONTRACT UNTIL THE END OF NEXT SEASON. MAYBE JUST MAYBE THERE IS NOTHING BEING SAID BECAUSE HE HAS ALREADY SAID IT ALL WHEN HE SAYS HE HAS ANOTHER YEAR ON HIS ******* CONTRACT. LEAVE IT ALONE HE'S OUR MANAGER FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR. STOP TORTURING YOURSELVES. The players in or out - different matter altogether - though there is still nothing more to be said than the club has already said. What a ridiculous waste of newspaper print this non-story is.[/p][/quote]You can't put a 5 year plan together with a manager who has one year left on his contract. If he won't sign for another 4 years it would be better to let him go and replace him now. We need continuity to get success.[/p][/quote]During our last (successful) five year plan we actually had 3 managers.[/p][/quote]in fact it was 4 if you include Dean Wilkins. But my point is you can't put a five year plan in place based on a manager who has one year left to run on his contract. And the players won't like it or be motivated correctly, especially if they like the manager. george chivers
  • Score: -2

9:55am Tue 13 May 14

NC Fan4Life says...

If the club, Les or Ralph haven't said No by now they should do quickly. Nicola would have done so by now !
Sort out the manager for a longer term and convince both Adam & Luke to stay one more season to see if we can get a Champions League place and go get the 4 players we need to do it.
We did not get enough for Walcott, Bale or Oxlaide Chamberlain so its time to hold out for top dollar !
Manure will not be in the Champions League and only have the same chance of doing so next season.
However if either are determined to go (they are both have contracts) then they are worth a lot more that the offers reported. It will cost a lot to replace them, money better spent on improving the first team.
IF WE AGREE TO SELL DO NOT DO SO BEFORE THE WORLD CUP, THEY WILL BE WORTH A LOT MORE AFTER IT.
If the club, Les or Ralph haven't said No by now they should do quickly. Nicola would have done so by now ! Sort out the manager for a longer term and convince both Adam & Luke to stay one more season to see if we can get a Champions League place and go get the 4 players we need to do it. We did not get enough for Walcott, Bale or Oxlaide Chamberlain so its time to hold out for top dollar ! Manure will not be in the Champions League and only have the same chance of doing so next season. However if either are determined to go (they are both have contracts) then they are worth a lot more that the offers reported. It will cost a lot to replace them, money better spent on improving the first team. IF WE AGREE TO SELL DO NOT DO SO BEFORE THE WORLD CUP, THEY WILL BE WORTH A LOT MORE AFTER IT. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 5

10:13am Tue 13 May 14

SaintJD says...

saint christopher wrote:
Unfortunately the increasing sense of panic felt by many fans has largely been created by the club itself, who should have been more proactive and open regarding their future plans and investment. Their silence has only encouraged the circling vultures and led to an increasingly unstable and unsettling situation.

All this needs sorting before the Wold Cup, yet at the same time it's surely madness to even talk about selling players who are about play on the world stage for he first time and whose value is likely to be significantly more once the WC has finished.

My gut reaction for what it's worth is that the club can probably persuade Potch to stay for the moment but that the serious investment required this summer will only happen if at least Shaw and/or Lallana are sold (at the right price). If it was only one the logical choice would be Shaw, whose loss I believe would be less significant and easier to rectify than Lallana's.

Unfortunately we're all mushrooms at the momet and the sooner we're given some light the better.
I am pretty disappointed (having stood up for the Echo on many occasions) in the constant negativity they've shown in the last couple of weeks.

I'd have thought that they'd be more than happy to give the new board a chance, but this flood of scaremongering stories is overstepping the mark of keeping us up to date.

We've just recorded our best ever Prem season and have three players on the plane to Rio, yet the focus is all on doom and gloom and fear.

Saying his contract remains unsigned as if he's been stalling is ridiculous - only one day has passed and the meeting hasn't been held. I'd imagine that MP and the players were due a day off yesterday?

I too would have liked the club to come out and say we WILL NOT talk to clubs about our players until we are ready to do so or MP has sanctioned it because, while we have intimated at this in the past, Krueger's statement that we would be talking to clubs from Monday essentially opened the door to them.

But we don't need to get too worried because people seem to forget we are in a decent position: we don't want or need to sell and the manager has been told the players won't be sold without his OK.

One thing I would say though is that the key thing is that we get him on board now. A good summer for me would be MP signing, Adam staying and us getting a 'too good to refuse' offer for Luke that will allow us to push ahead. Adam will be too hard to replace and I believe we can convince him to stay if MP is here.
[quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately the increasing sense of panic felt by many fans has largely been created by the club itself, who should have been more proactive and open regarding their future plans and investment. Their silence has only encouraged the circling vultures and led to an increasingly unstable and unsettling situation. All this needs sorting before the Wold Cup, yet at the same time it's surely madness to even talk about selling players who are about play on the world stage for he first time and whose value is likely to be significantly more once the WC has finished. My gut reaction for what it's worth is that the club can probably persuade Potch to stay for the moment but that the serious investment required this summer will only happen if at least Shaw and/or Lallana are sold (at the right price). If it was only one the logical choice would be Shaw, whose loss I believe would be less significant and easier to rectify than Lallana's. Unfortunately we're all mushrooms at the momet and the sooner we're given some light the better.[/p][/quote]I am pretty disappointed (having stood up for the Echo on many occasions) in the constant negativity they've shown in the last couple of weeks. I'd have thought that they'd be more than happy to give the new board a chance, but this flood of scaremongering stories is overstepping the mark of keeping us up to date. We've just recorded our best ever Prem season and have three players on the plane to Rio, yet the focus is all on doom and gloom and fear. Saying his contract remains unsigned as if he's been stalling is ridiculous - only one day has passed and the meeting hasn't been held. I'd imagine that MP and the players were due a day off yesterday? I too would have liked the club to come out and say we WILL NOT talk to clubs about our players until we are ready to do so or MP has sanctioned it because, while we have intimated at this in the past, Krueger's statement that we would be talking to clubs from Monday essentially opened the door to them. But we don't need to get too worried because people seem to forget we are in a decent position: we don't want or need to sell and the manager has been told the players won't be sold without his OK. One thing I would say though is that the key thing is that we get him on board now. A good summer for me would be MP signing, Adam staying and us getting a 'too good to refuse' offer for Luke that will allow us to push ahead. Adam will be too hard to replace and I believe we can convince him to stay if MP is here. SaintJD
  • Score: 4

10:18am Tue 13 May 14

SaintJD says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
If the club, Les or Ralph haven't said No by now they should do quickly. Nicola would have done so by now !
Sort out the manager for a longer term and convince both Adam & Luke to stay one more season to see if we can get a Champions League place and go get the 4 players we need to do it.
We did not get enough for Walcott, Bale or Oxlaide Chamberlain so its time to hold out for top dollar !
Manure will not be in the Champions League and only have the same chance of doing so next season.
However if either are determined to go (they are both have contracts) then they are worth a lot more that the offers reported. It will cost a lot to replace them, money better spent on improving the first team.
IF WE AGREE TO SELL DO NOT DO SO BEFORE THE WORLD CUP, THEY WILL BE WORTH A LOT MORE AFTER IT.
Yep, difference with Bale, Ox and Theo is that we needed the cash, and quickly. We don't now. If anyone wants our players they are going to have to break the bank and offer well above the odds, or that's certainly how it should be. I also don't see Luke or Adam as the types to go on strike, so while I think we have to be fair to them, we also need to remind them politely that they are contracted to us for several more seasons. And any potential buyer should be forced to take advantage of our BOGOF offer on Dani Osvaldo.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: If the club, Les or Ralph haven't said No by now they should do quickly. Nicola would have done so by now ! Sort out the manager for a longer term and convince both Adam & Luke to stay one more season to see if we can get a Champions League place and go get the 4 players we need to do it. We did not get enough for Walcott, Bale or Oxlaide Chamberlain so its time to hold out for top dollar ! Manure will not be in the Champions League and only have the same chance of doing so next season. However if either are determined to go (they are both have contracts) then they are worth a lot more that the offers reported. It will cost a lot to replace them, money better spent on improving the first team. IF WE AGREE TO SELL DO NOT DO SO BEFORE THE WORLD CUP, THEY WILL BE WORTH A LOT MORE AFTER IT.[/p][/quote]Yep, difference with Bale, Ox and Theo is that we needed the cash, and quickly. We don't now. If anyone wants our players they are going to have to break the bank and offer well above the odds, or that's certainly how it should be. I also don't see Luke or Adam as the types to go on strike, so while I think we have to be fair to them, we also need to remind them politely that they are contracted to us for several more seasons. And any potential buyer should be forced to take advantage of our BOGOF offer on Dani Osvaldo. SaintJD
  • Score: 3

10:20am Tue 13 May 14

batesieboy says...

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."

Even a five-year old can understand the concept of what's the point of selling when you will have to spend just as much to try to replace the players...they have earned a big fat rise by finishing where they did...with the promise of more if the progress continues. Simples!
"If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." Even a five-year old can understand the concept of what's the point of selling when you will have to spend just as much to try to replace the players...they have earned a big fat rise by finishing where they did...with the promise of more if the progress continues. Simples! batesieboy
  • Score: 3

10:26am Tue 13 May 14

ecuk268 says...

PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
How many P*mpey players in the England squad?
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]How many P*mpey players in the England squad? ecuk268
  • Score: 7

10:36am Tue 13 May 14

Clever Dick says...

george chivers wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
george chivers wrote:
jls217 wrote:
HOW MANY MORE TIMES (and I am shouting) IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR POCH TO SIGN ANYTHING.
HE IS UNDER CONTRACT UNTIL THE END OF NEXT SEASON. MAYBE JUST MAYBE THERE IS NOTHING BEING SAID BECAUSE HE HAS ALREADY SAID IT ALL WHEN HE SAYS HE HAS ANOTHER YEAR ON HIS ******* CONTRACT. LEAVE IT ALONE HE'S OUR MANAGER FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR. STOP TORTURING YOURSELVES.

The players in or out - different matter altogether - though there is still nothing more to be said than the club has already said. What a ridiculous waste of newspaper print this non-story is.
You can't put a 5 year plan together with a manager who has one year left on his contract. If he won't sign for another 4 years it would be better to let him go and replace him now. We need continuity to get success.
During our last (successful) five year plan we actually had 3 managers.
in fact it was 4 if you include Dean Wilkins. But my point is you can't put a five year plan in place based on a manager who has one year left to run on his contract. And the players won't like it or be motivated correctly, especially if they like the manager.
Didn't count Wilkins. Agree with you to a point. I doubt very much if the board would stick with MoPo if he didn't want to commit beyond his current contract. It would be very unusual for a manager's contract to just expire. Motivational issues would come into play and his committment would be seriously questioned every time we lost . Poch has never had anything but good to say about his team and the fact that he is talking to the board and discussing future plans is, to my mind, very encouraging. I'm sure he realises the impact his leaving would have on the club . He also seems to have a close bond to the players and I don't get the impression that he is the kind of guy to walk away from a very successful work in progress.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: HOW MANY MORE TIMES (and I am shouting) IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR POCH TO SIGN ANYTHING. HE IS UNDER CONTRACT UNTIL THE END OF NEXT SEASON. MAYBE JUST MAYBE THERE IS NOTHING BEING SAID BECAUSE HE HAS ALREADY SAID IT ALL WHEN HE SAYS HE HAS ANOTHER YEAR ON HIS ******* CONTRACT. LEAVE IT ALONE HE'S OUR MANAGER FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR. STOP TORTURING YOURSELVES. The players in or out - different matter altogether - though there is still nothing more to be said than the club has already said. What a ridiculous waste of newspaper print this non-story is.[/p][/quote]You can't put a 5 year plan together with a manager who has one year left on his contract. If he won't sign for another 4 years it would be better to let him go and replace him now. We need continuity to get success.[/p][/quote]During our last (successful) five year plan we actually had 3 managers.[/p][/quote]in fact it was 4 if you include Dean Wilkins. But my point is you can't put a five year plan in place based on a manager who has one year left to run on his contract. And the players won't like it or be motivated correctly, especially if they like the manager.[/p][/quote]Didn't count Wilkins. Agree with you to a point. I doubt very much if the board would stick with MoPo if he didn't want to commit beyond his current contract. It would be very unusual for a manager's contract to just expire. Motivational issues would come into play and his committment would be seriously questioned every time we lost . Poch has never had anything but good to say about his team and the fact that he is talking to the board and discussing future plans is, to my mind, very encouraging. I'm sure he realises the impact his leaving would have on the club . He also seems to have a close bond to the players and I don't get the impression that he is the kind of guy to walk away from a very successful work in progress. Clever Dick
  • Score: 2

10:39am Tue 13 May 14

warrens 76 says...

There are 3 routes from this destabilizing period and they all come down to the board and KL's real intent…

Do the board really want the next level for this club, are they prepared to spend perhaps another 40 million to 'go global' grab the exposure and push for Europe…

If yes MoPO will be signed and AL LS will be offered excellent packages to stay, if they do not MoPo will be given the sale proceeds to replace and omprove team, unlike some commentators AL still does not score enough and LS does get caught out defensively…..it is not impossible to consider that this team could if resources are made available still improve.

The elephant in the room is that the boards intention and a possible change of direction after NC if that is the case….well I look forward to NC putting in a bid.
There are 3 routes from this destabilizing period and they all come down to the board and KL's real intent… Do the board really want the next level for this club, are they prepared to spend perhaps another 40 million to 'go global' grab the exposure and push for Europe… If yes MoPO will be signed and AL LS will be offered excellent packages to stay, if they do not MoPo will be given the sale proceeds to replace and omprove team, unlike some commentators AL still does not score enough and LS does get caught out defensively…..it is not impossible to consider that this team could if resources are made available still improve. The elephant in the room is that the boards intention and a possible change of direction after NC if that is the case….well I look forward to NC putting in a bid. warrens 76
  • Score: -6

10:50am Tue 13 May 14

Manicsaintbloke says...

ecuk268 wrote:
PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
How many P*mpey players in the England squad?
Must be a bitter pill to swallow knowing glen johnson hasn't got a premier league winners medal personally I can give you a 1 million reasons why it's f*ucking hilarious
[quote][p][bold]ecuk268[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]How many P*mpey players in the England squad?[/p][/quote]Must be a bitter pill to swallow knowing glen johnson hasn't got a premier league winners medal personally I can give you a 1 million reasons why it's f*ucking hilarious Manicsaintbloke
  • Score: 6

10:50am Tue 13 May 14

Readeano says...

Picture 107 of the Saints last day gallery IMO says it all "Lallana saying goodbye"

of us really know what is going on and many people like to start things off FACT....

I have heard SFC have rejected the big for Shaw and this was from various titter accounts etc so is a prime example of people pretending to be ITK....

I won't believe it till i hear it on SFC, but for me, my current feeling and IMO and no one else's, AL is off....... MP will i reckon be devastated as most of us probably will be............. I hope orted before the World Cup so we can all chill, have a pint and enjoy it
Picture 107 of the Saints last day gallery IMO says it all "Lallana saying goodbye" of us really know what is going on and many people like to start things off FACT.... I have heard SFC have rejected the big for Shaw and this was from various titter accounts etc so is a prime example of people pretending to be ITK.... I won't believe it till i hear it on SFC, but for me, my current feeling and IMO and no one else's, AL is off....... MP will i reckon be devastated as most of us probably will be............. I hope orted before the World Cup so we can all chill, have a pint and enjoy it Readeano
  • Score: -5

10:56am Tue 13 May 14

SFC4EVA says...

Does anyone not think that the club are staying tight lipped about the bids because there is NOTHING to respond to as they HAVE NOT received any bids???

"The Daily Echo understands that big money offers for the pair from Liverpool and Manchester United respectively were received at St Mary’s within hours of the season ending 1-1 draw with the Red Devils"

Daily Echo, give us some proof of where this understanding comes from please or shut the hell up until something is announced by the club. A simple statement by the club stating whether or not any offers have been received would be both good and bad. Good if they say no offers have been received as it'll (should) stop this bs in the press . Bad if they say offers have been received as it'll cause a huge over-reaction by certain quarters of fans and of course the British press.

MP is under contract until the end of next season. The club have stated that no player will be sold that the manager (MP) wants to keep. Les Reid has targets identified. AL has stated he is looking to progress with the club. LS has a contract until 2018 and has said time again that he loves it here.

If players go they go, the club will carry on but this insistence of the press rehashing the "we understand" "it is believe" "sources say" waffle everyday is going to become very tiring, it's going to be a long summer. Why can't the local paper get interviews and features from AL, LS and SRL about the season and the World cup call up before they jet off to Portugal? Why can't the echo get an interview with JRod about his injury, the world cup and his hopes for next season? ......all rather than the constant attempt to demolish the squad. Why can we just look back at a fantastic season on the south coast and look forward to the World Cup??
Does anyone not think that the club are staying tight lipped about the bids because there is NOTHING to respond to as they HAVE NOT received any bids??? "The Daily Echo understands that big money offers for the pair from Liverpool and Manchester United respectively were received at St Mary’s within hours of the season ending 1-1 draw with the Red Devils" Daily Echo, give us some proof of where this understanding comes from please or shut the hell up until something is announced by the club. A simple statement by the club stating whether or not any offers have been received would be both good and bad. Good if they say no offers have been received as it'll (should) stop this bs in the press . Bad if they say offers have been received as it'll cause a huge over-reaction by certain quarters of fans and of course the British press. MP is under contract until the end of next season. The club have stated that no player will be sold that the manager (MP) wants to keep. Les Reid has targets identified. AL has stated he is looking to progress with the club. LS has a contract until 2018 and has said time again that he loves it here. If players go they go, the club will carry on but this insistence of the press rehashing the "we understand" "it is believe" "sources say" waffle everyday is going to become very tiring, it's going to be a long summer. Why can't the local paper get interviews and features from AL, LS and SRL about the season and the World cup call up before they jet off to Portugal? Why can't the echo get an interview with JRod about his injury, the world cup and his hopes for next season? ......all rather than the constant attempt to demolish the squad. Why can we just look back at a fantastic season on the south coast and look forward to the World Cup?? SFC4EVA
  • Score: 12

11:00am Tue 13 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

It's ever so simple. MoPo and the players have all made it very clear they are happy to, indeed want to, remain at Southampton and push on from here to the next level. They have stated that needs investment in some new players, which obviously puts their own positions under pressure, so fair play to them.

All should be well and we should all be looking forward to a summer of Saints players in Brazil followed by a couple or three signings. The only reason that is not the case is the way in which the club have handled this. Cortese could be a git but he didn't muck about, the bids would have been rejected immediately and MoPo signed up on an extended contract weeks ago. Whereas our new chairman has naively, by referred to our finances as 'awkward' and 'difficult', inviting speculation in the media about our need to sell and bids to be made within minutes of the seasons close. This has not been handled well.
It's ever so simple. MoPo and the players have all made it very clear they are happy to, indeed want to, remain at Southampton and push on from here to the next level. They have stated that needs investment in some new players, which obviously puts their own positions under pressure, so fair play to them. All should be well and we should all be looking forward to a summer of Saints players in Brazil followed by a couple or three signings. The only reason that is not the case is the way in which the club have handled this. Cortese could be a git but he didn't muck about, the bids would have been rejected immediately and MoPo signed up on an extended contract weeks ago. Whereas our new chairman has naively, by referred to our finances as 'awkward' and 'difficult', inviting speculation in the media about our need to sell and bids to be made within minutes of the seasons close. This has not been handled well. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 6

11:06am Tue 13 May 14

RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE says...

PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
Up the Scum !!!!!! Filthy Skate, you really are the froath at the the top of a bottle p*ss
Next time you come up for air from spending so much time going down on your mum you may wake up and see that we are class club and every one likes us.....even your fellow supporters dare not say it but we all know your watching and we all know you will be cheering on our boys in Brazil, you dirty fish fiddler !!!
Enjoy it.......
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Up the Scum !!!!!! Filthy Skate, you really are the froath at the the top of a bottle p*ss Next time you come up for air from spending so much time going down on your mum you may wake up and see that we are class club and every one likes us.....even your fellow supporters dare not say it but we all know your watching and we all know you will be cheering on our boys in Brazil, you dirty fish fiddler !!! Enjoy it....... RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE
  • Score: 5

11:13am Tue 13 May 14

right back in the bar says...

I cannot see the club holding on to these two (with the improved contract terms and hike in wage bill that implies) and investing in new players. This is what would need to happen if we are to improve on last season.
The way out for the owners and the board is to sell in order to be seen to be improving the squad so the key is in the success of the negotiations and how we use the money. My own view is that 20m for AL is derisory. If we can get 55m for both AL and LS, and we use that money wisely, would that equate to an overall improvement in the team?
I'm not sure but what I am sure about is that the club will not stretch to keep AL and LS AND invest in new players.
I cannot see the club holding on to these two (with the improved contract terms and hike in wage bill that implies) and investing in new players. This is what would need to happen if we are to improve on last season. The way out for the owners and the board is to sell in order to be seen to be improving the squad so the key is in the success of the negotiations and how we use the money. My own view is that 20m for AL is derisory. If we can get 55m for both AL and LS, and we use that money wisely, would that equate to an overall improvement in the team? I'm not sure but what I am sure about is that the club will not stretch to keep AL and LS AND invest in new players. right back in the bar
  • Score: 0

11:14am Tue 13 May 14

redandy10 says...

There's not much that the club can say. It's as I have been saying all along, if the player wants out, he's gone. If we keep Luke and Adam, slim chance, I believe we'll Poch, Jay and Dejan as well. If Luke goes so early, Adam will follow and maybe Poch and Jay will go to Spurs hand in hand.

It startling that some fans believe in Les Reed like he's the Easter Bunny. We CAN reject bids, but a contract is worth very little if the player wants out. Les has about as much say in Luke's future as any of us. For posters to keep asking other posters if they are calling Uncle Les a liar is laughable. He surely wants to keep these players, which in reality counts for squat!!!

What happens with young Luke will determine the rest of the summer. If he goes it will cast doubt on how achievable our ambitions really are. Our players and MoPo will read a lot into this and they will take this into consideration when they make their decisions!
There's not much that the club can say. It's as I have been saying all along, if the player wants out, he's gone. If we keep Luke and Adam, slim chance, I believe we'll Poch, Jay and Dejan as well. If Luke goes so early, Adam will follow and maybe Poch and Jay will go to Spurs hand in hand. It startling that some fans believe in Les Reed like he's the Easter Bunny. We CAN reject bids, but a contract is worth very little if the player wants out. Les has about as much say in Luke's future as any of us. For posters to keep asking other posters if they are calling Uncle Les a liar is laughable. He surely wants to keep these players, which in reality counts for squat!!! What happens with young Luke will determine the rest of the summer. If he goes it will cast doubt on how achievable our ambitions really are. Our players and MoPo will read a lot into this and they will take this into consideration when they make their decisions! redandy10
  • Score: -5

11:14am Tue 13 May 14

Santa Retfordia says...

I think Ralph has just got massive balls and is probably a bit "Jesus, chill out everyone" each time he looks at the fuss on here.

He reminds me of that Robert Duvall character in Apocalypse Now - you know the one with the big hat who, when everyone else is running around and sh1tting themselves because there's a bit of mild shelling going on, is all a bit "Right, let's go surfing" and everyone else is like "You crazy diamond".

We'll be fine on this. He's just taking his time is all.
I think Ralph has just got massive balls and is probably a bit "Jesus, chill out everyone" each time he looks at the fuss on here. He reminds me of that Robert Duvall character in Apocalypse Now - you know the one with the big hat who, when everyone else is running around and sh1tting themselves because there's a bit of mild shelling going on, is all a bit "Right, let's go surfing" and everyone else is like "You crazy diamond". We'll be fine on this. He's just taking his time is all. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 6

11:15am Tue 13 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

george chivers wrote:
Aussie_Saint wrote:
saint christopher wrote:
Unfortunately the increasing sense of panic felt by many fans has largely been created by the club itself, who should have been more proactive and open regarding their future plans and investment. Their silence has only encouraged the circling vultures and led to an increasingly unstable and unsettling situation.

All this needs sorting before the Wold Cup, yet at the same time it's surely madness to even talk about selling players who are about play on the world stage for he first time and whose value is likely to be significantly more once the WC has finished.

My gut reaction for what it's worth is that the club can probably persuade Potch to stay for the moment but that the serious investment required this summer will only happen if at least Shaw and/or Lallana are sold (at the right price). If it was only one the logical choice would be Shaw, whose loss I believe would be less significant and easier to rectify than Lallana's.

Unfortunately we're all mushrooms at the momet and the sooner we're given some light the better.
To be honest, I think the Club has been pretty open. Les Reed's statement was pretty unequivocal. I think it's purely the media jumping on the fact that MoPo hasn't had his contract extended yet, which was likely his decision as he will want guarantees as to transfer budget and the long term vision of the club (both of which he implied in his recent press conference).

I don't think we require as much money as you might think in order to push into the top 6, and maybe even top 4. A figure of, say, £25m from the Club (less than in previous years), plus the proceeds of Osvaldo's sale (shouldn't be less than £10m) should give us at least £35m to play with. Spent prudently, that should be ample to buy a back up keeper, a new striker and a first-choice CB. Those additions, coupled with the natural progression and maturing of our incredibly young squad will lead to a significant improvement in playing standards.

In saying all of that, I agree that if we HAD to sell one person, I would prefer it to be Shaw.
I like your optimism but you also need to consider what the clubs in the top six will spend, which will I think be more than 35M. Also consider the teams in the top six haven't changed for 7 years. That I think puts it into perspective in terms of what £35M will get us. I think we need spend that amount to stay in the same place or just one spot better and keep AL. And prices/wages will increase in proportion to the increased revenues PL teams are receiving in the new season. We need to find some bargains from somewhere.
we were the 6th highest spenders last season with a total of £36mill. the top 2 spenders were spuds £106.4mill and then mancy on £90.9mill, then 3r were chelski on £61.5mill.
spuds only actually spent £20mill net when you take away the bale money so we had them covered. mancy are failing the eufa FFP regs and will probably not be huge spenders this summer, chelski are flirting with eufa FFP and would have failed if they hadn't sold mata before spending in jan.
£30-£40mill would be a decent amount to spend again this summer and if we keep our current players it would certainly be enough to see us challenging the top 6.
Everton will most likely lose lukaku this summer, he is a big reason they challenged for a top 4 place, add to that they are in the Europa league and they are easily catchable. spuds are in transition and are looking for a new manager and it looks like a lot of the players they brought in last summer could be going back out the door, their manager doesn't even pick the targets so your going to have a new manager with players going in and out who he has no say over. spuds are catchable as well.
we don't need to spend a fortune because we already have players that would cost a fortune to buy, we just need to buy one or 2 good quality players and a couple of decent back ups.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aussie_Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately the increasing sense of panic felt by many fans has largely been created by the club itself, who should have been more proactive and open regarding their future plans and investment. Their silence has only encouraged the circling vultures and led to an increasingly unstable and unsettling situation. All this needs sorting before the Wold Cup, yet at the same time it's surely madness to even talk about selling players who are about play on the world stage for he first time and whose value is likely to be significantly more once the WC has finished. My gut reaction for what it's worth is that the club can probably persuade Potch to stay for the moment but that the serious investment required this summer will only happen if at least Shaw and/or Lallana are sold (at the right price). If it was only one the logical choice would be Shaw, whose loss I believe would be less significant and easier to rectify than Lallana's. Unfortunately we're all mushrooms at the momet and the sooner we're given some light the better.[/p][/quote]To be honest, I think the Club has been pretty open. Les Reed's statement was pretty unequivocal. I think it's purely the media jumping on the fact that MoPo hasn't had his contract extended yet, which was likely his decision as he will want guarantees as to transfer budget and the long term vision of the club (both of which he implied in his recent press conference). I don't think we require as much money as you might think in order to push into the top 6, and maybe even top 4. A figure of, say, £25m from the Club (less than in previous years), plus the proceeds of Osvaldo's sale (shouldn't be less than £10m) should give us at least £35m to play with. Spent prudently, that should be ample to buy a back up keeper, a new striker and a first-choice CB. Those additions, coupled with the natural progression and maturing of our incredibly young squad will lead to a significant improvement in playing standards. In saying all of that, I agree that if we HAD to sell one person, I would prefer it to be Shaw.[/p][/quote]I like your optimism but you also need to consider what the clubs in the top six will spend, which will I think be more than 35M. Also consider the teams in the top six haven't changed for 7 years. That I think puts it into perspective in terms of what £35M will get us. I think we need spend that amount to stay in the same place or just one spot better and keep AL. And prices/wages will increase in proportion to the increased revenues PL teams are receiving in the new season. We need to find some bargains from somewhere.[/p][/quote]we were the 6th highest spenders last season with a total of £36mill. the top 2 spenders were spuds £106.4mill and then mancy on £90.9mill, then 3r were chelski on £61.5mill. spuds only actually spent £20mill net when you take away the bale money so we had them covered. mancy are failing the eufa FFP regs and will probably not be huge spenders this summer, chelski are flirting with eufa FFP and would have failed if they hadn't sold mata before spending in jan. £30-£40mill would be a decent amount to spend again this summer and if we keep our current players it would certainly be enough to see us challenging the top 6. Everton will most likely lose lukaku this summer, he is a big reason they challenged for a top 4 place, add to that they are in the Europa league and they are easily catchable. spuds are in transition and are looking for a new manager and it looks like a lot of the players they brought in last summer could be going back out the door, their manager doesn't even pick the targets so your going to have a new manager with players going in and out who he has no say over. spuds are catchable as well. we don't need to spend a fortune because we already have players that would cost a fortune to buy, we just need to buy one or 2 good quality players and a couple of decent back ups. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 5

11:23am Tue 13 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

right back in the bar wrote:
I cannot see the club holding on to these two (with the improved contract terms and hike in wage bill that implies) and investing in new players. This is what would need to happen if we are to improve on last season.
The way out for the owners and the board is to sell in order to be seen to be improving the squad so the key is in the success of the negotiations and how we use the money. My own view is that 20m for AL is derisory. If we can get 55m for both AL and LS, and we use that money wisely, would that equate to an overall improvement in the team?
I'm not sure but what I am sure about is that the club will not stretch to keep AL and LS AND invest in new players.
Why?

We have a top manager, we have developed a whole pile of top players via our academy saving transfer fees and we are owned by a Billionaire. If now is not the time to push to the top I'm not sure when is?
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: I cannot see the club holding on to these two (with the improved contract terms and hike in wage bill that implies) and investing in new players. This is what would need to happen if we are to improve on last season. The way out for the owners and the board is to sell in order to be seen to be improving the squad so the key is in the success of the negotiations and how we use the money. My own view is that 20m for AL is derisory. If we can get 55m for both AL and LS, and we use that money wisely, would that equate to an overall improvement in the team? I'm not sure but what I am sure about is that the club will not stretch to keep AL and LS AND invest in new players.[/p][/quote]Why? We have a top manager, we have developed a whole pile of top players via our academy saving transfer fees and we are owned by a Billionaire. If now is not the time to push to the top I'm not sure when is? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

11:23am Tue 13 May 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
It's ever so simple. MoPo and the players have all made it very clear they are happy to, indeed want to, remain at Southampton and push on from here to the next level. They have stated that needs investment in some new players, which obviously puts their own positions under pressure, so fair play to them.

All should be well and we should all be looking forward to a summer of Saints players in Brazil followed by a couple or three signings. The only reason that is not the case is the way in which the club have handled this. Cortese could be a git but he didn't muck about, the bids would have been rejected immediately and MoPo signed up on an extended contract weeks ago. Whereas our new chairman has naively, by referred to our finances as 'awkward' and 'difficult', inviting speculation in the media about our need to sell and bids to be made within minutes of the seasons close. This has not been handled well.
I don't think references back to Cortese help really. He has gone and he is not coming back, no matter how much some of us miss him and appreciate what he did. He is yesterday's man and that is that. The King is dead. Hail the new King.

Yes he may have got those things sorted out quickly but he wasn't exactly quick when he made major signings. If things are sorted out during the next two weeks either positively or negatively that will do me. Then we can move forward in good time for the new season. Mopo has always said things will be done when the season is over. Not before that. Currently we are on schedule. I'm happy with that. Our new chairman is beyond criticism at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: It's ever so simple. MoPo and the players have all made it very clear they are happy to, indeed want to, remain at Southampton and push on from here to the next level. They have stated that needs investment in some new players, which obviously puts their own positions under pressure, so fair play to them. All should be well and we should all be looking forward to a summer of Saints players in Brazil followed by a couple or three signings. The only reason that is not the case is the way in which the club have handled this. Cortese could be a git but he didn't muck about, the bids would have been rejected immediately and MoPo signed up on an extended contract weeks ago. Whereas our new chairman has naively, by referred to our finances as 'awkward' and 'difficult', inviting speculation in the media about our need to sell and bids to be made within minutes of the seasons close. This has not been handled well.[/p][/quote]I don't think references back to Cortese help really. He has gone and he is not coming back, no matter how much some of us miss him and appreciate what he did. He is yesterday's man and that is that. The King is dead. Hail the new King. Yes he may have got those things sorted out quickly but he wasn't exactly quick when he made major signings. If things are sorted out during the next two weeks either positively or negatively that will do me. Then we can move forward in good time for the new season. Mopo has always said things will be done when the season is over. Not before that. Currently we are on schedule. I'm happy with that. Our new chairman is beyond criticism at the moment. george chivers
  • Score: 0

11:25am Tue 13 May 14

TGodSFC says...

I’m genuinely at my wits end with all this, fed up of reading rumours, speculation and people’s views, which have no facts and substance. It feels like I’ve caught my Mrs in bed with another bloke, just put us out of our misery one way or the other, we all deserve to know what’s going on with our club, otherwise the media and newspapers will rip our club apart! Can’t take another day of this, let alone 4 months!!!
I’m genuinely at my wits end with all this, fed up of reading rumours, speculation and people’s views, which have no facts and substance. It feels like I’ve caught my Mrs in bed with another bloke, just put us out of our misery one way or the other, we all deserve to know what’s going on with our club, otherwise the media and newspapers will rip our club apart! Can’t take another day of this, let alone 4 months!!! TGodSFC
  • Score: 2

11:27am Tue 13 May 14

Littleton-Saint says...

Our only problem is if any of our star players wants to leave. They are ambitious which is good. I suspect that they are waiting to see the intentions of the Board on the future of the club. Ray Krüger's comments on Solent after the Manure game were down the familiar line, post Cortese, of building a sustainable future which implies that Katharina will not be stumping any of her own cash on new players. This implies a slower growth through Academy development and the occasional player purchase over a few seasons. Whilst this approach may be entirely sensible, it may not be enough to hold our better talent, including MoPo. Lallana has already said that it's not about money on his part. He's just ambitious and wants to see the club push on. Cortese had that ambition but that was easy because he wasn't stumping any cash personally. Financial prudence is likely to prevail and we may lose one or two star players and even MoPo in the worst scenario. Keeping MoPo is the most important issue; he is open to developing and utilising our Academy players which is crucial in our set-up. Ideally, we would retain MoPo and our best players, sell our surplus to requirements lesser stars (Guly, Jos, etc) and buy one or two top players this summer - that's what we want as fans, and the Board could achieve that if it were to handle the situation competently.
Whatever happens, we still have great talent coming through. Harry Reed looks like a very good player in the making. We have the best infrastructure in the land. The future still looks bright, imo and at least we are able to sustain a top table position in the Prem without going bust like the dross down the road in what should be West Sussex!
Our only problem is if any of our star players wants to leave. They are ambitious which is good. I suspect that they are waiting to see the intentions of the Board on the future of the club. Ray Krüger's comments on Solent after the Manure game were down the familiar line, post Cortese, of building a sustainable future which implies that Katharina will not be stumping any of her own cash on new players. This implies a slower growth through Academy development and the occasional player purchase over a few seasons. Whilst this approach may be entirely sensible, it may not be enough to hold our better talent, including MoPo. Lallana has already said that it's not about money on his part. He's just ambitious and wants to see the club push on. Cortese had that ambition but that was easy because he wasn't stumping any cash personally. Financial prudence is likely to prevail and we may lose one or two star players and even MoPo in the worst scenario. Keeping MoPo is the most important issue; he is open to developing and utilising our Academy players which is crucial in our set-up. Ideally, we would retain MoPo and our best players, sell our surplus to requirements lesser stars (Guly, Jos, etc) and buy one or two top players this summer - that's what we want as fans, and the Board could achieve that if it were to handle the situation competently. Whatever happens, we still have great talent coming through. Harry Reed looks like a very good player in the making. We have the best infrastructure in the land. The future still looks bright, imo and at least we are able to sustain a top table position in the Prem without going bust like the dross down the road in what should be West Sussex! Littleton-Saint
  • Score: 1

11:33am Tue 13 May 14

Mister E says...

montecristosaint wrote:
this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left??
We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints
Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed.
Really?
Betrayed?
Back in the real world: if it was her intention to sell, surely the club would be more attractive and she would get a bigger return WITH our star players!
Saints have, for a few years now, not responded every time there is media speculation about our players or our targets to purchase! So, nothing new or hidden agendas there then!
Saints players, manager and board don't plan and negotiate in the media (we have more class than that), it's all done properly. It's done privately were everyone can negotiate and get the best for themselves and the club, be it financial and or the matching of ambitions. Of course, and I use an extreme to illustrate the point, if the club received an £80 million offer for a player that player would be on his way!
Have these clubs actually made formal bids?
Are they just enquiries?
Are they just media speculation?
It all boils down to the discussions between MoPo and the board, if ambitions can be matched he'll stay!
I, for one, appreciate and am pleased those discussions are taking place calmly behind closed doors.
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left?? We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed.[/p][/quote]Really? Betrayed? Back in the real world: if it was her intention to sell, surely the club would be more attractive and she would get a bigger return WITH our star players! Saints have, for a few years now, not responded every time there is media speculation about our players or our targets to purchase! So, nothing new or hidden agendas there then! Saints players, manager and board don't plan and negotiate in the media (we have more class than that), it's all done properly. It's done privately were everyone can negotiate and get the best for themselves and the club, be it financial and or the matching of ambitions. Of course, and I use an extreme to illustrate the point, if the club received an £80 million offer for a player that player would be on his way! Have these clubs actually made formal bids? Are they just enquiries? Are they just media speculation? It all boils down to the discussions between MoPo and the board, if ambitions can be matched he'll stay! I, for one, appreciate and am pleased those discussions are taking place calmly behind closed doors. Mister E
  • Score: 8

11:33am Tue 13 May 14

OfficialSpudUk says...

If MoPo goes, Rémi Garde would be my first choice to replace him. Young, enthusiastic and has achieved excellent results at Lyon.

I really want Shaw and Lallana to stay, and the Board to give a firm commitment that the challenge for next season is top 6, but we have to be practical and see the alternative as a positive as well. If we sold Shaw and Lallana for £40m, and bought in 4 players for £10m, would the squad be that much weaker, or would we have a better spread of quality across the team, rather then focused on two players?
If MoPo goes, Rémi Garde would be my first choice to replace him. Young, enthusiastic and has achieved excellent results at Lyon. I really want Shaw and Lallana to stay, and the Board to give a firm commitment that the challenge for next season is top 6, but we have to be practical and see the alternative as a positive as well. If we sold Shaw and Lallana for £40m, and bought in 4 players for £10m, would the squad be that much weaker, or would we have a better spread of quality across the team, rather then focused on two players? OfficialSpudUk
  • Score: 2

11:38am Tue 13 May 14

Confucious says...

For the media it's bumper harvest time on the rumour mill.

Rumours will be flowing fast from agents, players, 'club insiders' and numerous other quarters - some negotiating ploys, some simply mischievous and no doubt some with truth in them as well.

But the problem is clubs cannot begin to respond to every rumour with confirmations or denials - not least when there are so many uncertainties involved. If they do so they might as well set up office in a TV studio or press news room.

Uncertainty is made worse by the fact that contracts don't count for much when it comes to people staying or leaving. Half of the Prem managers were fired by clubs regardless of contracts last season and if managers or players want to go, it's not easy to keep them (who wants an unhappy £30m player on the books who wants to be elsewhere?) - and these things are not even always down to money either. Our club may not want to sell a particular player or need to sell that player, but it may still be necessary to do so.

At this early stage the uncertainties are at their greatest too because all the 'loose parts' don't begin to emerge until some deals start to get done.

Unfortunately, it all makes for a particularly anxious time for us - not least because of the great success we've had and the great players we have on our books.

Nonetheless, it seems to me that Katherina's heart is now in the club and indeed she seems to fly in for every home match. So however anxious we get, we need to remember that thanks to Markus and now his daughter, we are in very good and honest hands.
For the media it's bumper harvest time on the rumour mill. Rumours will be flowing fast from agents, players, 'club insiders' and numerous other quarters - some negotiating ploys, some simply mischievous and no doubt some with truth in them as well. But the problem is clubs cannot begin to respond to every rumour with confirmations or denials - not least when there are so many uncertainties involved. If they do so they might as well set up office in a TV studio or press news room. Uncertainty is made worse by the fact that contracts don't count for much when it comes to people staying or leaving. Half of the Prem managers were fired by clubs regardless of contracts last season and if managers or players want to go, it's not easy to keep them (who wants an unhappy £30m player on the books who wants to be elsewhere?) - and these things are not even always down to money either. Our club may not want to sell a particular player or need to sell that player, but it may still be necessary to do so. At this early stage the uncertainties are at their greatest too because all the 'loose parts' don't begin to emerge until some deals start to get done. Unfortunately, it all makes for a particularly anxious time for us - not least because of the great success we've had and the great players we have on our books. Nonetheless, it seems to me that Katherina's heart is now in the club and indeed she seems to fly in for every home match. So however anxious we get, we need to remember that thanks to Markus and now his daughter, we are in very good and honest hands. Confucious
  • Score: 14

11:39am Tue 13 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
It's ever so simple. MoPo and the players have all made it very clear they are happy to, indeed want to, remain at Southampton and push on from here to the next level. They have stated that needs investment in some new players, which obviously puts their own positions under pressure, so fair play to them.

All should be well and we should all be looking forward to a summer of Saints players in Brazil followed by a couple or three signings. The only reason that is not the case is the way in which the club have handled this. Cortese could be a git but he didn't muck about, the bids would have been rejected immediately and MoPo signed up on an extended contract weeks ago. Whereas our new chairman has naively, by referred to our finances as 'awkward' and 'difficult', inviting speculation in the media about our need to sell and bids to be made within minutes of the seasons close. This has not been handled well.
I don't think references back to Cortese help really. He has gone and he is not coming back, no matter how much some of us miss him and appreciate what he did. He is yesterday's man and that is that. The King is dead. Hail the new King.

Yes he may have got those things sorted out quickly but he wasn't exactly quick when he made major signings. If things are sorted out during the next two weeks either positively or negatively that will do me. Then we can move forward in good time for the new season. Mopo has always said things will be done when the season is over. Not before that. Currently we are on schedule. I'm happy with that. Our new chairman is beyond criticism at the moment.
A friend sat with Jack Cork at the awards dinner. Cork said he only has one year left on his contract and that if Cortese was still here he would know by now whether he was wanted or not and been offered a new deal. He also said Kreuger has only ever spoken to him twice since arriving.

The only reason MoPo and his management team haven't committed before now is because the club has not communicated what its aims and aspirations are.

I hope I'm wrong but I think we are in danger of facking up a once in a life time opportunity. As I said above, if now isn't the time to crack on then when the hell is?!?
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: It's ever so simple. MoPo and the players have all made it very clear they are happy to, indeed want to, remain at Southampton and push on from here to the next level. They have stated that needs investment in some new players, which obviously puts their own positions under pressure, so fair play to them. All should be well and we should all be looking forward to a summer of Saints players in Brazil followed by a couple or three signings. The only reason that is not the case is the way in which the club have handled this. Cortese could be a git but he didn't muck about, the bids would have been rejected immediately and MoPo signed up on an extended contract weeks ago. Whereas our new chairman has naively, by referred to our finances as 'awkward' and 'difficult', inviting speculation in the media about our need to sell and bids to be made within minutes of the seasons close. This has not been handled well.[/p][/quote]I don't think references back to Cortese help really. He has gone and he is not coming back, no matter how much some of us miss him and appreciate what he did. He is yesterday's man and that is that. The King is dead. Hail the new King. Yes he may have got those things sorted out quickly but he wasn't exactly quick when he made major signings. If things are sorted out during the next two weeks either positively or negatively that will do me. Then we can move forward in good time for the new season. Mopo has always said things will be done when the season is over. Not before that. Currently we are on schedule. I'm happy with that. Our new chairman is beyond criticism at the moment.[/p][/quote]A friend sat with Jack Cork at the awards dinner. Cork said he only has one year left on his contract and that if Cortese was still here he would know by now whether he was wanted or not and been offered a new deal. He also said Kreuger has only ever spoken to him twice since arriving. The only reason MoPo and his management team haven't committed before now is because the club has not communicated what its aims and aspirations are. I hope I'm wrong but I think we are in danger of facking up a once in a life time opportunity. As I said above, if now isn't the time to crack on then when the hell is?!? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

11:42am Tue 13 May 14

Clever Dick says...

ecuk268 wrote:
PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
How many P*mpey players in the England squad?
Now that's enough! All of this putting down of Poopeys bunch of donkeys........sorry I meant to say players(it just slipped out,honest)really has to stop. They really aren't that bad. I'll have you know one of them made into the Portsea island select eleven.
[quote][p][bold]ecuk268[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]How many P*mpey players in the England squad?[/p][/quote]Now that's enough! All of this putting down of Poopeys bunch of donkeys........sorry I meant to say players(it just slipped out,honest)really has to stop. They really aren't that bad. I'll have you know one of them made into the Portsea island select eleven. Clever Dick
  • Score: -3

11:43am Tue 13 May 14

right back in the bar says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
I cannot see the club holding on to these two (with the improved contract terms and hike in wage bill that implies) and investing in new players. This is what would need to happen if we are to improve on last season.
The way out for the owners and the board is to sell in order to be seen to be improving the squad so the key is in the success of the negotiations and how we use the money. My own view is that 20m for AL is derisory. If we can get 55m for both AL and LS, and we use that money wisely, would that equate to an overall improvement in the team?
I'm not sure but what I am sure about is that the club will not stretch to keep AL and LS AND invest in new players.
Why?

We have a top manager, we have developed a whole pile of top players via our academy saving transfer fees and we are owned by a Billionaire. If now is not the time to push to the top I'm not sure when is?
Agree with all that but we don't have the business to sustain it - gate receipts, merchandising. In the end it comes down to KL and her money. I'm sceptical that she is prepared to make the commitment - having wrested control from NC for the express purpose of financial prudence.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: I cannot see the club holding on to these two (with the improved contract terms and hike in wage bill that implies) and investing in new players. This is what would need to happen if we are to improve on last season. The way out for the owners and the board is to sell in order to be seen to be improving the squad so the key is in the success of the negotiations and how we use the money. My own view is that 20m for AL is derisory. If we can get 55m for both AL and LS, and we use that money wisely, would that equate to an overall improvement in the team? I'm not sure but what I am sure about is that the club will not stretch to keep AL and LS AND invest in new players.[/p][/quote]Why? We have a top manager, we have developed a whole pile of top players via our academy saving transfer fees and we are owned by a Billionaire. If now is not the time to push to the top I'm not sure when is?[/p][/quote]Agree with all that but we don't have the business to sustain it - gate receipts, merchandising. In the end it comes down to KL and her money. I'm sceptical that she is prepared to make the commitment - having wrested control from NC for the express purpose of financial prudence. right back in the bar
  • Score: 1

11:44am Tue 13 May 14

Littleton-Saint says...

OfficialSpudUk wrote:
If MoPo goes, Rémi Garde would be my first choice to replace him. Young, enthusiastic and has achieved excellent results at Lyon.

I really want Shaw and Lallana to stay, and the Board to give a firm commitment that the challenge for next season is top 6, but we have to be practical and see the alternative as a positive as well. If we sold Shaw and Lallana for £40m, and bought in 4 players for £10m, would the squad be that much weaker, or would we have a better spread of quality across the team, rather then focused on two players?
Ideally, if you have top ambitions, you retain top talent.
Buying in players is a lottery - Osvaldo, Forren and Ramirez are fine examples. Half of what one buys will be dross based on our experience over the last two years.

It's better to retain known, top talent.
[quote][p][bold]OfficialSpudUk[/bold] wrote: If MoPo goes, Rémi Garde would be my first choice to replace him. Young, enthusiastic and has achieved excellent results at Lyon. I really want Shaw and Lallana to stay, and the Board to give a firm commitment that the challenge for next season is top 6, but we have to be practical and see the alternative as a positive as well. If we sold Shaw and Lallana for £40m, and bought in 4 players for £10m, would the squad be that much weaker, or would we have a better spread of quality across the team, rather then focused on two players?[/p][/quote]Ideally, if you have top ambitions, you retain top talent. Buying in players is a lottery - Osvaldo, Forren and Ramirez are fine examples. Half of what one buys will be dross based on our experience over the last two years. It's better to retain known, top talent. Littleton-Saint
  • Score: 6

11:47am Tue 13 May 14

Beer Monster says...

Hearts have released a few players from their contracts if we want to get a few freebies...
Hearts have released a few players from their contracts if we want to get a few freebies... Beer Monster
  • Score: 0

11:50am Tue 13 May 14

SaintJD says...

george chivers wrote:
jls217 wrote:
HOW MANY MORE TIMES (and I am shouting) IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR POCH TO SIGN ANYTHING.
HE IS UNDER CONTRACT UNTIL THE END OF NEXT SEASON. MAYBE JUST MAYBE THERE IS NOTHING BEING SAID BECAUSE HE HAS ALREADY SAID IT ALL WHEN HE SAYS HE HAS ANOTHER YEAR ON HIS ******* CONTRACT. LEAVE IT ALONE HE'S OUR MANAGER FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR. STOP TORTURING YOURSELVES.

The players in or out - different matter altogether - though there is still nothing more to be said than the club has already said. What a ridiculous waste of newspaper print this non-story is.
You can't put a 5 year plan together with a manager who has one year left on his contract. If he won't sign for another 4 years it would be better to let him go and replace him now. We need continuity to get success.
I think MP said in a recent interview that he didn't see what all the fuss was about regarding short contracts, because that's the norm in Spain - one or two years max. Though I'd love to see him on a long term deal I can see what that isn't particularly healthy in terms of keeping the manager's mind focused and fresh or particularly worth anything - Moyes was on a five year deal I believe?

Plus, if you look at Pardew at Newcastle, as soon as he signed an eight year deal (which promises great continuity obviously), things quickly went downhill fast. Will that eight year vote of confidence be honoured? I doubt it.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: HOW MANY MORE TIMES (and I am shouting) IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR POCH TO SIGN ANYTHING. HE IS UNDER CONTRACT UNTIL THE END OF NEXT SEASON. MAYBE JUST MAYBE THERE IS NOTHING BEING SAID BECAUSE HE HAS ALREADY SAID IT ALL WHEN HE SAYS HE HAS ANOTHER YEAR ON HIS ******* CONTRACT. LEAVE IT ALONE HE'S OUR MANAGER FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR. STOP TORTURING YOURSELVES. The players in or out - different matter altogether - though there is still nothing more to be said than the club has already said. What a ridiculous waste of newspaper print this non-story is.[/p][/quote]You can't put a 5 year plan together with a manager who has one year left on his contract. If he won't sign for another 4 years it would be better to let him go and replace him now. We need continuity to get success.[/p][/quote]I think MP said in a recent interview that he didn't see what all the fuss was about regarding short contracts, because that's the norm in Spain - one or two years max. Though I'd love to see him on a long term deal I can see what that isn't particularly healthy in terms of keeping the manager's mind focused and fresh or particularly worth anything - Moyes was on a five year deal I believe? Plus, if you look at Pardew at Newcastle, as soon as he signed an eight year deal (which promises great continuity obviously), things quickly went downhill fast. Will that eight year vote of confidence be honoured? I doubt it. SaintJD
  • Score: 3

11:59am Tue 13 May 14

JedSaint says...

My feeling is that the reason its all quiet is that Poch hasn't yet been convinced by the board and owner that we have ambition and the resources available to kick on in the next couple of seasons and push for champions league. The silence could be a good thing as if he had no hope of getting this, he would probably be out the door already. My feeling is that if Poch is convinced to stay, then Shaw and Lallana may well decide to stay as well. They are playing for a club they love with great team spirit, fans that love them and a coach that has undoubtedly improved their game this season. If the money is right and and we have funds to bring in two or three key new signings this season... staying looks an attractive proposition. This could be why they and Saints have been so quiet. They are genuinely torn and waiting to see what happens to Poch. It could of course just be quiet because neither side wants to jeopardise active negotiations... I'm just speculating like everyone else!
My feeling is that the reason its all quiet is that Poch hasn't yet been convinced by the board and owner that we have ambition and the resources available to kick on in the next couple of seasons and push for champions league. The silence could be a good thing as if he had no hope of getting this, he would probably be out the door already. My feeling is that if Poch is convinced to stay, then Shaw and Lallana may well decide to stay as well. They are playing for a club they love with great team spirit, fans that love them and a coach that has undoubtedly improved their game this season. If the money is right and and we have funds to bring in two or three key new signings this season... staying looks an attractive proposition. This could be why they and Saints have been so quiet. They are genuinely torn and waiting to see what happens to Poch. It could of course just be quiet because neither side wants to jeopardise active negotiations... I'm just speculating like everyone else! JedSaint
  • Score: -1

12:07pm Tue 13 May 14

DisplacedFan says...

Clever Dick wrote:
ecuk268 wrote:
PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
How many P*mpey players in the England squad?
Now that's enough! All of this putting down of Poopeys bunch of donkeys........sorry I meant to say players(it just slipped out,honest)really has to stop. They really aren't that bad. I'll have you know one of them made into the Portsea island select eleven.
Due to the effects of Contintental Drift, Portsea Island is inexorably moving towards the Atlantic ocean and headed for the penguin colony at Del Fuego. The residents are said not to be panicking since they view it as a free holiday, but they are a little concerned that HMS Victory might hold hold them all in an emergency. They were calmed by Captain Bligh who told them, "Trust me, both God and all of his "Saints" have a plan for you."
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ecuk268[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]How many P*mpey players in the England squad?[/p][/quote]Now that's enough! All of this putting down of Poopeys bunch of donkeys........sorry I meant to say players(it just slipped out,honest)really has to stop. They really aren't that bad. I'll have you know one of them made into the Portsea island select eleven.[/p][/quote]Due to the effects of Contintental Drift, Portsea Island is inexorably moving towards the Atlantic ocean and headed for the penguin colony at Del Fuego. The residents are said not to be panicking since they view it as a free holiday, but they are a little concerned that HMS Victory might hold hold them all in an emergency. They were calmed by Captain Bligh who told them, "Trust me, both God and all of his "Saints" have a plan for you." DisplacedFan
  • Score: 2

12:18pm Tue 13 May 14

itsnotjustice says...

im pretty sure the gaffa will be staying, but surelly it all depends on whether we keep these two.... adam ,it seems, will deffo be leaving but hopefully for more that 20million... part of me wants to get it done early so we can build, but if he has a good worldcup it could start a bidding war with other clubs..

im confident we will keep luke for atleast another season..

all that said, id rather we just keep all the players, bring in two or three more and show the rest of the clubs we are not the small club they seem to be mistaking us for.
im pretty sure the gaffa will be staying, but surelly it all depends on whether we keep these two.... adam ,it seems, will deffo be leaving but hopefully for more that 20million... part of me wants to get it done early so we can build, but if he has a good worldcup it could start a bidding war with other clubs.. im confident we will keep luke for atleast another season.. all that said, id rather we just keep all the players, bring in two or three more and show the rest of the clubs we are not the small club they seem to be mistaking us for. itsnotjustice
  • Score: 1

12:31pm Tue 13 May 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
It's ever so simple. MoPo and the players have all made it very clear they are happy to, indeed want to, remain at Southampton and push on from here to the next level. They have stated that needs investment in some new players, which obviously puts their own positions under pressure, so fair play to them.

All should be well and we should all be looking forward to a summer of Saints players in Brazil followed by a couple or three signings. The only reason that is not the case is the way in which the club have handled this. Cortese could be a git but he didn't muck about, the bids would have been rejected immediately and MoPo signed up on an extended contract weeks ago. Whereas our new chairman has naively, by referred to our finances as 'awkward' and 'difficult', inviting speculation in the media about our need to sell and bids to be made within minutes of the seasons close. This has not been handled well.
I don't think references back to Cortese help really. He has gone and he is not coming back, no matter how much some of us miss him and appreciate what he did. He is yesterday's man and that is that. The King is dead. Hail the new King.

Yes he may have got those things sorted out quickly but he wasn't exactly quick when he made major signings. If things are sorted out during the next two weeks either positively or negatively that will do me. Then we can move forward in good time for the new season. Mopo has always said things will be done when the season is over. Not before that. Currently we are on schedule. I'm happy with that. Our new chairman is beyond criticism at the moment.
A friend sat with Jack Cork at the awards dinner. Cork said he only has one year left on his contract and that if Cortese was still here he would know by now whether he was wanted or not and been offered a new deal. He also said Kreuger has only ever spoken to him twice since arriving.

The only reason MoPo and his management team haven't committed before now is because the club has not communicated what its aims and aspirations are.

I hope I'm wrong but I think we are in danger of facking up a once in a life time opportunity. As I said above, if now isn't the time to crack on then when the hell is?!?
Maybe they simply don't want to crack on and try to get into the super league at the top of the PL. Maybe they are happy to stay in the top 10 but out of the top 6 because it is beyond their budget plans. How many teams break into it and stay in it? Our resources are not the same as the top six teams. Everton have an old stadium and rely on loan players they are the exception.

The rest are moneybag teams and we are not in their financial league.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: It's ever so simple. MoPo and the players have all made it very clear they are happy to, indeed want to, remain at Southampton and push on from here to the next level. They have stated that needs investment in some new players, which obviously puts their own positions under pressure, so fair play to them. All should be well and we should all be looking forward to a summer of Saints players in Brazil followed by a couple or three signings. The only reason that is not the case is the way in which the club have handled this. Cortese could be a git but he didn't muck about, the bids would have been rejected immediately and MoPo signed up on an extended contract weeks ago. Whereas our new chairman has naively, by referred to our finances as 'awkward' and 'difficult', inviting speculation in the media about our need to sell and bids to be made within minutes of the seasons close. This has not been handled well.[/p][/quote]I don't think references back to Cortese help really. He has gone and he is not coming back, no matter how much some of us miss him and appreciate what he did. He is yesterday's man and that is that. The King is dead. Hail the new King. Yes he may have got those things sorted out quickly but he wasn't exactly quick when he made major signings. If things are sorted out during the next two weeks either positively or negatively that will do me. Then we can move forward in good time for the new season. Mopo has always said things will be done when the season is over. Not before that. Currently we are on schedule. I'm happy with that. Our new chairman is beyond criticism at the moment.[/p][/quote]A friend sat with Jack Cork at the awards dinner. Cork said he only has one year left on his contract and that if Cortese was still here he would know by now whether he was wanted or not and been offered a new deal. He also said Kreuger has only ever spoken to him twice since arriving. The only reason MoPo and his management team haven't committed before now is because the club has not communicated what its aims and aspirations are. I hope I'm wrong but I think we are in danger of facking up a once in a life time opportunity. As I said above, if now isn't the time to crack on then when the hell is?!?[/p][/quote]Maybe they simply don't want to crack on and try to get into the super league at the top of the PL. Maybe they are happy to stay in the top 10 but out of the top 6 because it is beyond their budget plans. How many teams break into it and stay in it? Our resources are not the same as the top six teams. Everton have an old stadium and rely on loan players they are the exception. The rest are moneybag teams and we are not in their financial league. george chivers
  • Score: 5

12:31pm Tue 13 May 14

Costa Baz says...

Hodgson has made it clear that no agent will be allowed into the England training camp, and no player will be allowed time out of the camp for transfer business.
As the players are getting together Sunday, and as Reed has stated that MP will decide who goes and who comes in, I'd just refuse any bid, until MP has decided his own future.

Controversially, if MP refuses to commit to a contract extension, then I think it would be best if he went now, rather than allow him to oversee transfers, sanctioning departures and incoming players, when he has no intention of being at the club, after the next season.

This could get a record minus. 😟
Hodgson has made it clear that no agent will be allowed into the England training camp, and no player will be allowed time out of the camp for transfer business. As the players are getting together Sunday, and as Reed has stated that MP will decide who goes and who comes in, I'd just refuse any bid, until MP has decided his own future. Controversially, if MP refuses to commit to a contract extension, then I think it would be best if he went now, rather than allow him to oversee transfers, sanctioning departures and incoming players, when he has no intention of being at the club, after the next season. This could get a record minus. 😟 Costa Baz
  • Score: 4

12:34pm Tue 13 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

right back in the bar wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
I cannot see the club holding on to these two (with the improved contract terms and hike in wage bill that implies) and investing in new players. This is what would need to happen if we are to improve on last season.
The way out for the owners and the board is to sell in order to be seen to be improving the squad so the key is in the success of the negotiations and how we use the money. My own view is that 20m for AL is derisory. If we can get 55m for both AL and LS, and we use that money wisely, would that equate to an overall improvement in the team?
I'm not sure but what I am sure about is that the club will not stretch to keep AL and LS AND invest in new players.
Why?

We have a top manager, we have developed a whole pile of top players via our academy saving transfer fees and we are owned by a Billionaire. If now is not the time to push to the top I'm not sure when is?
Agree with all that but we don't have the business to sustain it - gate receipts, merchandising. In the end it comes down to KL and her money. I'm sceptical that she is prepared to make the commitment - having wrested control from NC for the express purpose of financial prudence.
Trouble is how do we grow our revenues outside of the sky money? I believe the only way to have more people clambering to get in or buy a shirt or want to splash their multinational company name on the front of the shirt will be as a result of increased success on the pitch - which requires investment.

KL inherited the club and may well not want to pour cash into it, which is fair enough IF that is the case. So sell it to someone who does want to and leave with a profit.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: I cannot see the club holding on to these two (with the improved contract terms and hike in wage bill that implies) and investing in new players. This is what would need to happen if we are to improve on last season. The way out for the owners and the board is to sell in order to be seen to be improving the squad so the key is in the success of the negotiations and how we use the money. My own view is that 20m for AL is derisory. If we can get 55m for both AL and LS, and we use that money wisely, would that equate to an overall improvement in the team? I'm not sure but what I am sure about is that the club will not stretch to keep AL and LS AND invest in new players.[/p][/quote]Why? We have a top manager, we have developed a whole pile of top players via our academy saving transfer fees and we are owned by a Billionaire. If now is not the time to push to the top I'm not sure when is?[/p][/quote]Agree with all that but we don't have the business to sustain it - gate receipts, merchandising. In the end it comes down to KL and her money. I'm sceptical that she is prepared to make the commitment - having wrested control from NC for the express purpose of financial prudence.[/p][/quote]Trouble is how do we grow our revenues outside of the sky money? I believe the only way to have more people clambering to get in or buy a shirt or want to splash their multinational company name on the front of the shirt will be as a result of increased success on the pitch - which requires investment. KL inherited the club and may well not want to pour cash into it, which is fair enough IF that is the case. So sell it to someone who does want to and leave with a profit. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

12:54pm Tue 13 May 14

rednwhite72 says...

I can't believe that some just don't listen, why all the hysteria?
Without being a DE fanboy, all they are doing is reporting the stories that are in the pipeline, supplied by the press association, the stories may have substance because yes Liverpool may have a genuine interest in AL and Man utd with LS, even though the club and the board have released statements explaining that "The current star players ARE NOT for sale", that doesn't mean that the other clubs won't show interest or even try to approach with offers or request player contact. Thats how it works, even though they are not for sale which has been said more then once the poaching club may feel that they can persuade either party, the owners or the players to consider a move, whether its to the club in huge money deals or the player by promise of silverware and eurpoean football. So the club has said that either player is not for sale and they would like to keep there young stars, so now even though they are under contract, the players now need to decide what they want to do, if there are clauses in the contract that allow the player to talk to other clubs then if this is the case they need to be looked into, basically you can't really keep a player that doesnt want to stay, and to be honest however much I don't want these guys to go, I can understand why they might want to.
The club is holding talks with MP, that I would of thought is the first hurdle, if they are happy and he is happy then contract can start to be finalised, this can take weeks, all depending on how they discuss things, ideal world is the club has european aspirations and lots of money to spend and MP has full controll and is happy, but its not a ideal world so give them a bit of time, once information is finalised statements will be made.
(BTW MP is at the club today!)
after that then they can deal with the player situation, what they want and what the club has to offer, with RL, AL and LS in portugal with the international squad, Im not sure when that can happen, maybe the agents may be used in the first instance. We just need to sit back and enjoy the world cup and let the club do what is has done for the last 5 years and bring this club forward.
I can't believe that some just don't listen, why all the hysteria? Without being a DE fanboy, all they are doing is reporting the stories that are in the pipeline, supplied by the press association, the stories may have substance because yes Liverpool may have a genuine interest in AL and Man utd with LS, even though the club and the board have released statements explaining that "The current star players ARE NOT for sale", that doesn't mean that the other clubs won't show interest or even try to approach with offers or request player contact. Thats how it works, even though they are not for sale which has been said more then once the poaching club may feel that they can persuade either party, the owners or the players to consider a move, whether its to the club in huge money deals or the player by promise of silverware and eurpoean football. So the club has said that either player is not for sale and they would like to keep there young stars, so now even though they are under contract, the players now need to decide what they want to do, if there are clauses in the contract that allow the player to talk to other clubs then if this is the case they need to be looked into, basically you can't really keep a player that doesnt want to stay, and to be honest however much I don't want these guys to go, I can understand why they might want to. The club is holding talks with MP, that I would of thought is the first hurdle, if they are happy and he is happy then contract can start to be finalised, this can take weeks, all depending on how they discuss things, ideal world is the club has european aspirations and lots of money to spend and MP has full controll and is happy, but its not a ideal world so give them a bit of time, once information is finalised statements will be made. (BTW MP is at the club today!) after that then they can deal with the player situation, what they want and what the club has to offer, with RL, AL and LS in portugal with the international squad, Im not sure when that can happen, maybe the agents may be used in the first instance. We just need to sit back and enjoy the world cup and let the club do what is has done for the last 5 years and bring this club forward. rednwhite72
  • Score: 3

1:13pm Tue 13 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

redandy10 wrote:
There's not much that the club can say. It's as I have been saying all along, if the player wants out, he's gone. If we keep Luke and Adam, slim chance, I believe we'll Poch, Jay and Dejan as well. If Luke goes so early, Adam will follow and maybe Poch and Jay will go to Spurs hand in hand.

It startling that some fans believe in Les Reed like he's the Easter Bunny. We CAN reject bids, but a contract is worth very little if the player wants out. Les has about as much say in Luke's future as any of us. For posters to keep asking other posters if they are calling Uncle Les a liar is laughable. He surely wants to keep these players, which in reality counts for squat!!!

What happens with young Luke will determine the rest of the summer. If he goes it will cast doubt on how achievable our ambitions really are. Our players and MoPo will read a lot into this and they will take this into consideration when they make their decisions!
players contract is worth the same if a player wants to stay or go, it all depends on whether the club want to keep the player!

luke and lalla have 4 years of a contract that they were happy to sign left, the club don't need the money from selling them, so even if a player says he wants out he can be told NO, just like Liverpool, west brum and manure did last season.
people keep saying that theres little a club can do if a player wants out but turn that around and ask what can a player do? if they refuse to play they lose heir wages. so what can a player do? why do people think they hold all the power?
if contracts `aren't worth the paper they are written on` then why bother with contracts at all. turn players into freelance self employed contractors and let them pay all their tax NI etc. players then can control their own futures and move wherever they like. I think you will find that players wont like that idea though because at the moment when they sign a contract they are almost guaranteed all the money from that contract, its very hard to sack a professional footballers and they love the security a contract gives them. they cant have it both ways though, if they want security from having a contract then they shouldn't expect to be able to walk away from that contract at the drop of a hat!
clubs need to stand up to players if they want to keep them!
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: There's not much that the club can say. It's as I have been saying all along, if the player wants out, he's gone. If we keep Luke and Adam, slim chance, I believe we'll Poch, Jay and Dejan as well. If Luke goes so early, Adam will follow and maybe Poch and Jay will go to Spurs hand in hand. It startling that some fans believe in Les Reed like he's the Easter Bunny. We CAN reject bids, but a contract is worth very little if the player wants out. Les has about as much say in Luke's future as any of us. For posters to keep asking other posters if they are calling Uncle Les a liar is laughable. He surely wants to keep these players, which in reality counts for squat!!! What happens with young Luke will determine the rest of the summer. If he goes it will cast doubt on how achievable our ambitions really are. Our players and MoPo will read a lot into this and they will take this into consideration when they make their decisions![/p][/quote]players contract is worth the same if a player wants to stay or go, it all depends on whether the club want to keep the player! luke and lalla have 4 years of a contract that they were happy to sign left, the club don't need the money from selling them, so even if a player says he wants out he can be told NO, just like Liverpool, west brum and manure did last season. people keep saying that theres little a club can do if a player wants out but turn that around and ask what can a player do? if they refuse to play they lose heir wages. so what can a player do? why do people think they hold all the power? if contracts `aren't worth the paper they are written on` then why bother with contracts at all. turn players into freelance self employed contractors and let them pay all their tax NI etc. players then can control their own futures and move wherever they like. I think you will find that players wont like that idea though because at the moment when they sign a contract they are almost guaranteed all the money from that contract, its very hard to sack a professional footballers and they love the security a contract gives them. they cant have it both ways though, if they want security from having a contract then they shouldn't expect to be able to walk away from that contract at the drop of a hat! clubs need to stand up to players if they want to keep them! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 2

1:16pm Tue 13 May 14

Beer Monster says...

Sherwood gone from Spurs...
Sherwood gone from Spurs... Beer Monster
  • Score: 0

1:29pm Tue 13 May 14

saints fan #1 says...

PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
Poopee answer this
Will you be cheering
1. When SRL scores a free kick
2. Shaw defends the ball off the goal line
3. Lallana takes on three players and puts it in the back of the net.
Thumbs up for each
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Poopee answer this Will you be cheering 1. When SRL scores a free kick 2. Shaw defends the ball off the goal line 3. Lallana takes on three players and puts it in the back of the net. Thumbs up for each saints fan #1
  • Score: 0

1:32pm Tue 13 May 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

I think a lot of people need to calm down.

1) The club have a clear policy of not talking about transfers. The fact that Les Reed felt the need to make his statement speaks volumes - the club doesn't talk about transfers but there is so much rubbish being thrown about by Trolls on twitter he had to say something. And what did he say? He told us that there was no transfer talk going on. Trust the man.
So all this worrying about the speculation going on currently is pointless. and don't forget - it is ALL speculation until it is on a club site.
2) The media these days generate most of their revenue by getting you to click on their web page. Think about that for a moment.
3) For someone who is apparently uninterested in the club and wants to sell, Katharina is behaving in a very odd fashion. Someone like that does not turn up to every home game (and a few away games) and sit there with a big smile plastered across her face. (and it is a lovely smile too... be still my beating heart!)
4) Alan Hansen, Spoony on Talk sport, quite a few other people in the media are convinced that we need to sell or that we are still a selling club. The board have been quite clear - no player needs to be sold. financially we are in a great position and Poch gets the final say, if he doesn't want to sell the player then they won't go.

Chill out. relax. I don't want any of our players to go. I REALLY don't want Poch to go. I will be disappointed if it happens this summer but I will get over it.

This success we are seeing is something the the cartel of clubs at the top of the PL simply have to beat down. And this is exactly why we need a strong board keeping the team together this summer so that we can push on and break the cartel up. they need to get the message that it is a league not a carnival procession where the ones with the biggest wallet get to go first. Tbh it's actually really boring to see the same clubs swapping position at the top of the PL season after season.
In my simple world, I always thought that football was supposed to be a competition.
I think a lot of people need to calm down. 1) The club have a clear policy of not talking about transfers. The fact that Les Reed felt the need to make his statement speaks volumes - the club doesn't talk about transfers but there is so much rubbish being thrown about by Trolls on twitter he had to say something. And what did he say? He told us that there was no transfer talk going on. Trust the man. So all this worrying about the speculation going on currently is pointless. and don't forget - it is ALL speculation until it is on a club site. 2) The media these days generate most of their revenue by getting you to click on their web page. Think about that for a moment. 3) For someone who is apparently uninterested in the club and wants to sell, Katharina is behaving in a very odd fashion. Someone like that does not turn up to every home game (and a few away games) and sit there with a big smile plastered across her face. (and it is a lovely smile too... be still my beating heart!) 4) Alan Hansen, Spoony on Talk sport, quite a few other people in the media are convinced that we need to sell or that we are still a selling club. The board have been quite clear - no player needs to be sold. financially we are in a great position and Poch gets the final say, if he doesn't want to sell the player then they won't go. Chill out. relax. I don't want any of our players to go. I REALLY don't want Poch to go. I will be disappointed if it happens this summer but I will get over it. This success we are seeing is something the the cartel of clubs at the top of the PL simply have to beat down. And this is exactly why we need a strong board keeping the team together this summer so that we can push on and break the cartel up. they need to get the message that it is a league not a carnival procession where the ones with the biggest wallet get to go first. Tbh it's actually really boring to see the same clubs swapping position at the top of the PL season after season. In my simple world, I always thought that football was supposed to be a competition. Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 7

1:37pm Tue 13 May 14

Chrissymarsdenfootballgenius says...

Time for a club statement I think, lets not let the tabloids create another whirlwind around our beloved team. Nip it in the bud now, prevent the scavengers from causing panic among the ranks! We have been through a lot as saints fans and have been lied to and let down by the board in many different ways over the years. This has left many fans to be vulnerable to the panic inducing stories appearing by the minute which lets be honest have been imagined by journalists who's motives are probably slightly dubious! We need stability, transparency and respect. Does nobody else think it is fundamentally wrong that a team like southampton that live within their means and actively now produce young international level English players have little or no protection from 'bigger clubs' who infringe financial fair play rules to get success are encouraged to sell out by the media!? The FA should provide clubs like southampton that invest in youth with protection. Why should the top 4 be allowed to lay claim to our investment without producing any youth players themselves! Anyway went off on a tangent there- it is time for the board to stop these rediculous rumours, one statement of intent to refuse to bow to so called 'bigge'r clubs and show us the ambition that we deserve! Hang in there saints fans and don't believe the hype, least of all the second hand copycat scribblings of the daily echo lol! In the words of a very wise man "Players come and players go, managers come and managers go, owners come and owners go but the only thing that stays constant and loyal is you- the fans!"
Time for a club statement I think, lets not let the tabloids create another whirlwind around our beloved team. Nip it in the bud now, prevent the scavengers from causing panic among the ranks! We have been through a lot as saints fans and have been lied to and let down by the board in many different ways over the years. This has left many fans to be vulnerable to the panic inducing stories appearing by the minute which lets be honest have been imagined by journalists who's motives are probably slightly dubious! We need stability, transparency and respect. Does nobody else think it is fundamentally wrong that a team like southampton that live within their means and actively now produce young international level English players have little or no protection from 'bigger clubs' who infringe financial fair play rules to get success are encouraged to sell out by the media!? The FA should provide clubs like southampton that invest in youth with protection. Why should the top 4 be allowed to lay claim to our investment without producing any youth players themselves! Anyway went off on a tangent there- it is time for the board to stop these rediculous rumours, one statement of intent to refuse to bow to so called 'bigge'r clubs and show us the ambition that we deserve! Hang in there saints fans and don't believe the hype, least of all the second hand copycat scribblings of the daily echo lol! In the words of a very wise man "Players come and players go, managers come and managers go, owners come and owners go but the only thing that stays constant and loyal is you- the fans!" Chrissymarsdenfootballgenius
  • Score: 3

1:44pm Tue 13 May 14

smuggins says...

It is doing my head in all the rubbish bring banded about.
None of the clubs involved have confirmed any bids.Has Shaw been spotted in Manchester -has Lallana been spotted in Liverpool.
No club can speak to a player without the clubs permission.Same goes for MP who is still under contract.Statements have been made that no player will leave or come without MP's say so.
None of this has stopped the speculation in fact the opposite.
Not surprising if the club are saying nothing until they have something to.
Wait for the press conference.
It is doing my head in all the rubbish bring banded about. None of the clubs involved have confirmed any bids.Has Shaw been spotted in Manchester -has Lallana been spotted in Liverpool. No club can speak to a player without the clubs permission.Same goes for MP who is still under contract.Statements have been made that no player will leave or come without MP's say so. None of this has stopped the speculation in fact the opposite. Not surprising if the club are saying nothing until they have something to. Wait for the press conference. smuggins
  • Score: 2

1:49pm Tue 13 May 14

redandy10 says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
There's not much that the club can say. It's as I have been saying all along, if the player wants out, he's gone. If we keep Luke and Adam, slim chance, I believe we'll Poch, Jay and Dejan as well. If Luke goes so early, Adam will follow and maybe Poch and Jay will go to Spurs hand in hand.

It startling that some fans believe in Les Reed like he's the Easter Bunny. We CAN reject bids, but a contract is worth very little if the player wants out. Les has about as much say in Luke's future as any of us. For posters to keep asking other posters if they are calling Uncle Les a liar is laughable. He surely wants to keep these players, which in reality counts for squat!!!

What happens with young Luke will determine the rest of the summer. If he goes it will cast doubt on how achievable our ambitions really are. Our players and MoPo will read a lot into this and they will take this into consideration when they make their decisions!
players contract is worth the same if a player wants to stay or go, it all depends on whether the club want to keep the player!

luke and lalla have 4 years of a contract that they were happy to sign left, the club don't need the money from selling them, so even if a player says he wants out he can be told NO, just like Liverpool, west brum and manure did last season.
people keep saying that theres little a club can do if a player wants out but turn that around and ask what can a player do? if they refuse to play they lose heir wages. so what can a player do? why do people think they hold all the power?
if contracts `aren't worth the paper they are written on` then why bother with contracts at all. turn players into freelance self employed contractors and let them pay all their tax NI etc. players then can control their own futures and move wherever they like. I think you will find that players wont like that idea though because at the moment when they sign a contract they are almost guaranteed all the money from that contract, its very hard to sack a professional footballers and they love the security a contract gives them. they cant have it both ways though, if they want security from having a contract then they shouldn't expect to be able to walk away from that contract at the drop of a hat!
clubs need to stand up to players if they want to keep them!
I second your ethical stance Cabbie that clubs need to stand up to players who are under contract, but it's not likely to happen. By your logic Luke being under contract for a further four years should mean he stays, we'll se who is proved right.

IF Luke were to stay it would demonstrate to Poch and Adam, Jay, Dejan and Morgan that probably our most coverted commodity believes in the club's potential. This would mean more than any statements issued by Uncle Les, it would be actions not words! The flip side is that if one goes, it could lead to another two or three asking to move on. As much as they love the club they'll see it as this club is only going to go so far, I want Champions Leagu football. What happens with Luke is MASSIVE for our club. Don't expect Luke to leave and Adam and Poch to stay. It WILL determine just how the summer pans out.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: There's not much that the club can say. It's as I have been saying all along, if the player wants out, he's gone. If we keep Luke and Adam, slim chance, I believe we'll Poch, Jay and Dejan as well. If Luke goes so early, Adam will follow and maybe Poch and Jay will go to Spurs hand in hand. It startling that some fans believe in Les Reed like he's the Easter Bunny. We CAN reject bids, but a contract is worth very little if the player wants out. Les has about as much say in Luke's future as any of us. For posters to keep asking other posters if they are calling Uncle Les a liar is laughable. He surely wants to keep these players, which in reality counts for squat!!! What happens with young Luke will determine the rest of the summer. If he goes it will cast doubt on how achievable our ambitions really are. Our players and MoPo will read a lot into this and they will take this into consideration when they make their decisions![/p][/quote]players contract is worth the same if a player wants to stay or go, it all depends on whether the club want to keep the player! luke and lalla have 4 years of a contract that they were happy to sign left, the club don't need the money from selling them, so even if a player says he wants out he can be told NO, just like Liverpool, west brum and manure did last season. people keep saying that theres little a club can do if a player wants out but turn that around and ask what can a player do? if they refuse to play they lose heir wages. so what can a player do? why do people think they hold all the power? if contracts `aren't worth the paper they are written on` then why bother with contracts at all. turn players into freelance self employed contractors and let them pay all their tax NI etc. players then can control their own futures and move wherever they like. I think you will find that players wont like that idea though because at the moment when they sign a contract they are almost guaranteed all the money from that contract, its very hard to sack a professional footballers and they love the security a contract gives them. they cant have it both ways though, if they want security from having a contract then they shouldn't expect to be able to walk away from that contract at the drop of a hat! clubs need to stand up to players if they want to keep them![/p][/quote]I second your ethical stance Cabbie that clubs need to stand up to players who are under contract, but it's not likely to happen. By your logic Luke being under contract for a further four years should mean he stays, we'll se who is proved right. IF Luke were to stay it would demonstrate to Poch and Adam, Jay, Dejan and Morgan that probably our most coverted commodity believes in the club's potential. This would mean more than any statements issued by Uncle Les, it would be actions not words! The flip side is that if one goes, it could lead to another two or three asking to move on. As much as they love the club they'll see it as this club is only going to go so far, I want Champions Leagu football. What happens with Luke is MASSIVE for our club. Don't expect Luke to leave and Adam and Poch to stay. It WILL determine just how the summer pans out. redandy10
  • Score: 0

1:59pm Tue 13 May 14

mack chinnon says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
I cannot see the club holding on to these two (with the improved contract terms and hike in wage bill that implies) and investing in new players. This is what would need to happen if we are to improve on last season.
The way out for the owners and the board is to sell in order to be seen to be improving the squad so the key is in the success of the negotiations and how we use the money. My own view is that 20m for AL is derisory. If we can get 55m for both AL and LS, and we use that money wisely, would that equate to an overall improvement in the team?
I'm not sure but what I am sure about is that the club will not stretch to keep AL and LS AND invest in new players.
Why?

We have a top manager, we have developed a whole pile of top players via our academy saving transfer fees and we are owned by a Billionaire. If now is not the time to push to the top I'm not sure when is?
Agree with all that but we don't have the business to sustain it - gate receipts, merchandising. In the end it comes down to KL and her money. I'm sceptical that she is prepared to make the commitment - having wrested control from NC for the express purpose of financial prudence.
Trouble is how do we grow our revenues outside of the sky money? I believe the only way to have more people clambering to get in or buy a shirt or want to splash their multinational company name on the front of the shirt will be as a result of increased success on the pitch - which requires investment.

KL inherited the club and may well not want to pour cash into it, which is fair enough IF that is the case. So sell it to someone who does want to and leave with a profit.
I cant say that our new shirt sponsorship deal has left me feeling bouyant.
More a bit worried.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: I cannot see the club holding on to these two (with the improved contract terms and hike in wage bill that implies) and investing in new players. This is what would need to happen if we are to improve on last season. The way out for the owners and the board is to sell in order to be seen to be improving the squad so the key is in the success of the negotiations and how we use the money. My own view is that 20m for AL is derisory. If we can get 55m for both AL and LS, and we use that money wisely, would that equate to an overall improvement in the team? I'm not sure but what I am sure about is that the club will not stretch to keep AL and LS AND invest in new players.[/p][/quote]Why? We have a top manager, we have developed a whole pile of top players via our academy saving transfer fees and we are owned by a Billionaire. If now is not the time to push to the top I'm not sure when is?[/p][/quote]Agree with all that but we don't have the business to sustain it - gate receipts, merchandising. In the end it comes down to KL and her money. I'm sceptical that she is prepared to make the commitment - having wrested control from NC for the express purpose of financial prudence.[/p][/quote]Trouble is how do we grow our revenues outside of the sky money? I believe the only way to have more people clambering to get in or buy a shirt or want to splash their multinational company name on the front of the shirt will be as a result of increased success on the pitch - which requires investment. KL inherited the club and may well not want to pour cash into it, which is fair enough IF that is the case. So sell it to someone who does want to and leave with a profit.[/p][/quote]I cant say that our new shirt sponsorship deal has left me feeling bouyant. More a bit worried. mack chinnon
  • Score: 2

2:00pm Tue 13 May 14

redandy10 says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
I think a lot of people need to calm down.

1) The club have a clear policy of not talking about transfers. The fact that Les Reed felt the need to make his statement speaks volumes - the club doesn't talk about transfers but there is so much rubbish being thrown about by Trolls on twitter he had to say something. And what did he say? He told us that there was no transfer talk going on. Trust the man.
So all this worrying about the speculation going on currently is pointless. and don't forget - it is ALL speculation until it is on a club site.
2) The media these days generate most of their revenue by getting you to click on their web page. Think about that for a moment.
3) For someone who is apparently uninterested in the club and wants to sell, Katharina is behaving in a very odd fashion. Someone like that does not turn up to every home game (and a few away games) and sit there with a big smile plastered across her face. (and it is a lovely smile too... be still my beating heart!)
4) Alan Hansen, Spoony on Talk sport, quite a few other people in the media are convinced that we need to sell or that we are still a selling club. The board have been quite clear - no player needs to be sold. financially we are in a great position and Poch gets the final say, if he doesn't want to sell the player then they won't go.

Chill out. relax. I don't want any of our players to go. I REALLY don't want Poch to go. I will be disappointed if it happens this summer but I will get over it.

This success we are seeing is something the the cartel of clubs at the top of the PL simply have to beat down. And this is exactly why we need a strong board keeping the team together this summer so that we can push on and break the cartel up. they need to get the message that it is a league not a carnival procession where the ones with the biggest wallet get to go first. Tbh it's actually really boring to see the same clubs swapping position at the top of the PL season after season.
In my simple world, I always thought that football was supposed to be a competition.
You don't get it, do you. We are NOT a selling club by choice, we know that. It didn't stop Oxo and the rest leaving, did it! Les can fly a plane over St Marys with a banner proclaiming the fact that we don't intend to sell any players, it won't change the fact that if a player wants out he'll go. On planet football the players and the agents call the shots. So clinging to every promise made by the board is just plain foolish. They know deep down that there is little that they can do to keep a player, but they have to say the right things to shift season tickets and to demonstrate the club's ambition.

So save the "calm down" stuff, what happens with Luke is HUGE for this club, and pretending it isn't is nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: I think a lot of people need to calm down. 1) The club have a clear policy of not talking about transfers. The fact that Les Reed felt the need to make his statement speaks volumes - the club doesn't talk about transfers but there is so much rubbish being thrown about by Trolls on twitter he had to say something. And what did he say? He told us that there was no transfer talk going on. Trust the man. So all this worrying about the speculation going on currently is pointless. and don't forget - it is ALL speculation until it is on a club site. 2) The media these days generate most of their revenue by getting you to click on their web page. Think about that for a moment. 3) For someone who is apparently uninterested in the club and wants to sell, Katharina is behaving in a very odd fashion. Someone like that does not turn up to every home game (and a few away games) and sit there with a big smile plastered across her face. (and it is a lovely smile too... be still my beating heart!) 4) Alan Hansen, Spoony on Talk sport, quite a few other people in the media are convinced that we need to sell or that we are still a selling club. The board have been quite clear - no player needs to be sold. financially we are in a great position and Poch gets the final say, if he doesn't want to sell the player then they won't go. Chill out. relax. I don't want any of our players to go. I REALLY don't want Poch to go. I will be disappointed if it happens this summer but I will get over it. This success we are seeing is something the the cartel of clubs at the top of the PL simply have to beat down. And this is exactly why we need a strong board keeping the team together this summer so that we can push on and break the cartel up. they need to get the message that it is a league not a carnival procession where the ones with the biggest wallet get to go first. Tbh it's actually really boring to see the same clubs swapping position at the top of the PL season after season. In my simple world, I always thought that football was supposed to be a competition.[/p][/quote]You don't get it, do you. We are NOT a selling club by choice, we know that. It didn't stop Oxo and the rest leaving, did it! Les can fly a plane over St Marys with a banner proclaiming the fact that we don't intend to sell any players, it won't change the fact that if a player wants out he'll go. On planet football the players and the agents call the shots. So clinging to every promise made by the board is just plain foolish. They know deep down that there is little that they can do to keep a player, but they have to say the right things to shift season tickets and to demonstrate the club's ambition. So save the "calm down" stuff, what happens with Luke is HUGE for this club, and pretending it isn't is nonsense. redandy10
  • Score: -4

2:12pm Tue 13 May 14

dunque says...

Beer Monster wrote:
Hearts have released a few players from their contracts if we want to get a few freebies...
I think you are on the wrong forum mate - try skatenews.co.uk
[quote][p][bold]Beer Monster[/bold] wrote: Hearts have released a few players from their contracts if we want to get a few freebies...[/p][/quote]I think you are on the wrong forum mate - try skatenews.co.uk dunque
  • Score: 0

2:26pm Tue 13 May 14

bobby the crane says...

Seen the above comments most of which is crap, these are young guys with the world at there feet, they will be guided by there Parents & agents, for there future which will amount to monetary matters, whatever you guys say will never change there ways, all in all I think they will Sadly go to greener pastures, bigger homes for them & there parents Bms Mercedes etc, who can blame them if there Salaries increase ten fold.
Seen the above comments most of which is crap, these are young guys with the world at there feet, they will be guided by there Parents & agents, for there future which will amount to monetary matters, whatever you guys say will never change there ways, all in all I think they will Sadly go to greener pastures, bigger homes for them & there parents Bms Mercedes etc, who can blame them if there Salaries increase ten fold. bobby the crane
  • Score: -1

2:35pm Tue 13 May 14

warrens 76 says...

Just watched MOTD having returned from Majorca stag party..
All the commentators, pundits and Mr Lineker said it's a 'shame' we have to sell ALL our young players but we have to..

I believe the club made the biggest Ricket in the world when they announced they had inherited a difficult situation…never, not ever do you show other competitors a weak hand…all our current issues stem rom this stupidity..

Whatever we fans thought of NC and his disinterest in us he never played a weak hand, I am really upset for all the fans, the club and our players at having to go through this unneccesary pain, even if we did have to sell why would you let peole know that?
Just watched MOTD having returned from Majorca stag party.. All the commentators, pundits and Mr Lineker said it's a 'shame' we have to sell ALL our young players but we have to.. I believe the club made the biggest Ricket in the world when they announced they had inherited a difficult situation…never, not ever do you show other competitors a weak hand…all our current issues stem rom this stupidity.. Whatever we fans thought of NC and his disinterest in us he never played a weak hand, I am really upset for all the fans, the club and our players at having to go through this unneccesary pain, even if we did have to sell why would you let peole know that? warrens 76
  • Score: 3

2:36pm Tue 13 May 14

jls217 says...

Just menioned on Sky Sports News. Marseilles and Monaco have tried to head hunt Poochy and he flatly turned them down. Approaches from Newcastle have been received re Poochy going there (possible but can't see that happening) No mention of anything concrete from Spurs.

According the Sky Sports Poochy speaks English well and talks to the players in English. He is expected to make his announcement one way or the other in English
Just menioned on Sky Sports News. Marseilles and Monaco have tried to head hunt Poochy and he flatly turned them down. Approaches from Newcastle have been received re Poochy going there (possible but can't see that happening) No mention of anything concrete from Spurs. According the Sky Sports Poochy speaks English well and talks to the players in English. He is expected to make his announcement one way or the other in English jls217
  • Score: 2

2:39pm Tue 13 May 14

bobby the crane says...

Also Watch this space, in the near future while the club is on an UP Marcus Liebherr's Daughter will sell the club for a huge profit Money Talks, what's My Name see''crane'' yes I know about Liebherr more than you Kn#b heads know, I dearly wish I am wrong for the sake of the club.
Also Watch this space, in the near future while the club is on an UP Marcus Liebherr's Daughter will sell the club for a huge profit Money Talks, what's My Name see''crane'' yes I know about Liebherr more than you Kn#b heads know, I dearly wish I am wrong for the sake of the club. bobby the crane
  • Score: -9

2:52pm Tue 13 May 14

Santa Retfordia says...

jls217 wrote:
Just menioned on Sky Sports News. Marseilles and Monaco have tried to head hunt Poochy and he flatly turned them down. Approaches from Newcastle have been received re Poochy going there (possible but can't see that happening) No mention of anything concrete from Spurs.

According the Sky Sports Poochy speaks English well and talks to the players in English. He is expected to make his announcement one way or the other in English
Lovely jubbly.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Just menioned on Sky Sports News. Marseilles and Monaco have tried to head hunt Poochy and he flatly turned them down. Approaches from Newcastle have been received re Poochy going there (possible but can't see that happening) No mention of anything concrete from Spurs. According the Sky Sports Poochy speaks English well and talks to the players in English. He is expected to make his announcement one way or the other in English[/p][/quote]Lovely jubbly. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 1

2:52pm Tue 13 May 14

Santa Retfordia says...

bobby the crane wrote:
Also Watch this space, in the near future while the club is on an UP Marcus Liebherr's Daughter will sell the club for a huge profit Money Talks, what's My Name see''crane'' yes I know about Liebherr more than you Kn#b heads know, I dearly wish I am wrong for the sake of the club.
Cheers bobby!
[quote][p][bold]bobby the crane[/bold] wrote: Also Watch this space, in the near future while the club is on an UP Marcus Liebherr's Daughter will sell the club for a huge profit Money Talks, what's My Name see''crane'' yes I know about Liebherr more than you Kn#b heads know, I dearly wish I am wrong for the sake of the club.[/p][/quote]Cheers bobby! Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 0

2:56pm Tue 13 May 14

right back in the bar says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
I cannot see the club holding on to these two (with the improved contract terms and hike in wage bill that implies) and investing in new players. This is what would need to happen if we are to improve on last season.
The way out for the owners and the board is to sell in order to be seen to be improving the squad so the key is in the success of the negotiations and how we use the money. My own view is that 20m for AL is derisory. If we can get 55m for both AL and LS, and we use that money wisely, would that equate to an overall improvement in the team?
I'm not sure but what I am sure about is that the club will not stretch to keep AL and LS AND invest in new players.
Why?

We have a top manager, we have developed a whole pile of top players via our academy saving transfer fees and we are owned by a Billionaire. If now is not the time to push to the top I'm not sure when is?
Agree with all that but we don't have the business to sustain it - gate receipts, merchandising. In the end it comes down to KL and her money. I'm sceptical that she is prepared to make the commitment - having wrested control from NC for the express purpose of financial prudence.
Trouble is how do we grow our revenues outside of the sky money? I believe the only way to have more people clambering to get in or buy a shirt or want to splash their multinational company name on the front of the shirt will be as a result of increased success on the pitch - which requires investment.

KL inherited the club and may well not want to pour cash into it, which is fair enough IF that is the case. So sell it to someone who does want to and leave with a profit.
Again agree with all your points but anyone pouring money into the club will be advised that there is a ceiling on the growth of the business that is driven by demographics - we just don't have the catchment. What would be the max we could attract to a game 40,000? Not too dissimilar from Liverpool but even though a few trophies and CL will go a long way to selling the franchise, it will take a decade to build the sort of cachet Liverpool have. Most investors would want to see something within 5 years. But look I'm still think there are great times ahead we could model ourselves along the lines of Athletic Bilbao what great club that is - mixing in with the big teams in La Liga and yet they only select from Basque nationals.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: I cannot see the club holding on to these two (with the improved contract terms and hike in wage bill that implies) and investing in new players. This is what would need to happen if we are to improve on last season. The way out for the owners and the board is to sell in order to be seen to be improving the squad so the key is in the success of the negotiations and how we use the money. My own view is that 20m for AL is derisory. If we can get 55m for both AL and LS, and we use that money wisely, would that equate to an overall improvement in the team? I'm not sure but what I am sure about is that the club will not stretch to keep AL and LS AND invest in new players.[/p][/quote]Why? We have a top manager, we have developed a whole pile of top players via our academy saving transfer fees and we are owned by a Billionaire. If now is not the time to push to the top I'm not sure when is?[/p][/quote]Agree with all that but we don't have the business to sustain it - gate receipts, merchandising. In the end it comes down to KL and her money. I'm sceptical that she is prepared to make the commitment - having wrested control from NC for the express purpose of financial prudence.[/p][/quote]Trouble is how do we grow our revenues outside of the sky money? I believe the only way to have more people clambering to get in or buy a shirt or want to splash their multinational company name on the front of the shirt will be as a result of increased success on the pitch - which requires investment. KL inherited the club and may well not want to pour cash into it, which is fair enough IF that is the case. So sell it to someone who does want to and leave with a profit.[/p][/quote]Again agree with all your points but anyone pouring money into the club will be advised that there is a ceiling on the growth of the business that is driven by demographics - we just don't have the catchment. What would be the max we could attract to a game 40,000? Not too dissimilar from Liverpool but even though a few trophies and CL will go a long way to selling the franchise, it will take a decade to build the sort of cachet Liverpool have. Most investors would want to see something within 5 years. But look I'm still think there are great times ahead we could model ourselves along the lines of Athletic Bilbao what great club that is - mixing in with the big teams in La Liga and yet they only select from Basque nationals. right back in the bar
  • Score: 1

2:58pm Tue 13 May 14

Chrissymarsdenfootballgenius says...

Get the bs extinguishers out because this forum is on fire with misinformation and lies! Truth of the matter is every report to date is speculation - until the club make a statement we or the journalists will know absolutely nothing! Tabloid papers are not a reliable source of information and should never be cited or referenced!
Get the bs extinguishers out because this forum is on fire with misinformation and lies! Truth of the matter is every report to date is speculation - until the club make a statement we or the journalists will know absolutely nothing! Tabloid papers are not a reliable source of information and should never be cited or referenced! Chrissymarsdenfootballgenius
  • Score: 6

2:59pm Tue 13 May 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AFTER THE WORLD CUP OUR PLAYERS WILL BE WORTH MORE THAN THE SPIVS HAVE OFFERED!
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AFTER THE WORLD CUP OUR PLAYERS WILL BE WORTH MORE THAN THE SPIVS HAVE OFFERED! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 4

3:17pm Tue 13 May 14

promised land says...

Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AFTER THE WORLD CUP OUR PLAYERS WILL BE WORTH MORE THAN THE SPIVS HAVE OFFERED!
Exactly ! It doesn't help when Roy Hodgson, is saying he wants his England players contracts sorted before the World Cup. History dictates that a players stock rises after a major tournament. Otherwise you're playing in to the buying clubs hands.
[quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AFTER THE WORLD CUP OUR PLAYERS WILL BE WORTH MORE THAN THE SPIVS HAVE OFFERED![/p][/quote]Exactly ! It doesn't help when Roy Hodgson, is saying he wants his England players contracts sorted before the World Cup. History dictates that a players stock rises after a major tournament. Otherwise you're playing in to the buying clubs hands. promised land
  • Score: 1

3:32pm Tue 13 May 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

When is Ice Hockey coming back to Southampton Mr Chairman as my Parrot is getting concerned!
When is Ice Hockey coming back to Southampton Mr Chairman as my Parrot is getting concerned! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 2

3:51pm Tue 13 May 14

BracknellSaint says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Aussie_Saint wrote:
saint christopher wrote:
Unfortunately the increasing sense of panic felt by many fans has largely been created by the club itself, who should have been more proactive and open regarding their future plans and investment. Their silence has only encouraged the circling vultures and led to an increasingly unstable and unsettling situation.

All this needs sorting before the Wold Cup, yet at the same time it's surely madness to even talk about selling players who are about play on the world stage for he first time and whose value is likely to be significantly more once the WC has finished.

My gut reaction for what it's worth is that the club can probably persuade Potch to stay for the moment but that the serious investment required this summer will only happen if at least Shaw and/or Lallana are sold (at the right price). If it was only one the logical choice would be Shaw, whose loss I believe would be less significant and easier to rectify than Lallana's.

Unfortunately we're all mushrooms at the momet and the sooner we're given some light the better.
To be honest, I think the Club has been pretty open. Les Reed's statement was pretty unequivocal. I think it's purely the media jumping on the fact that MoPo hasn't had his contract extended yet, which was likely his decision as he will want guarantees as to transfer budget and the long term vision of the club (both of which he implied in his recent press conference).

I don't think we require as much money as you might think in order to push into the top 6, and maybe even top 4. A figure of, say, £25m from the Club (less than in previous years), plus the proceeds of Osvaldo's sale (shouldn't be less than £10m) should give us at least £35m to play with. Spent prudently, that should be ample to buy a back up keeper, a new striker and a first-choice CB. Those additions, coupled with the natural progression and maturing of our incredibly young squad will lead to a significant improvement in playing standards.

In saying all of that, I agree that if we HAD to sell one person, I would prefer it to be Shaw.
I like your optimism but you also need to consider what the clubs in the top six will spend, which will I think be more than 35M. Also consider the teams in the top six haven't changed for 7 years. That I think puts it into perspective in terms of what £35M will get us. I think we need spend that amount to stay in the same place or just one spot better and keep AL. And prices/wages will increase in proportion to the increased revenues PL teams are receiving in the new season. We need to find some bargains from somewhere.
we were the 6th highest spenders last season with a total of £36mill. the top 2 spenders were spuds £106.4mill and then mancy on £90.9mill, then 3r were chelski on £61.5mill.
spuds only actually spent £20mill net when you take away the bale money so we had them covered. mancy are failing the eufa FFP regs and will probably not be huge spenders this summer, chelski are flirting with eufa FFP and would have failed if they hadn't sold mata before spending in jan.
£30-£40mill would be a decent amount to spend again this summer and if we keep our current players it would certainly be enough to see us challenging the top 6.
Everton will most likely lose lukaku this summer, he is a big reason they challenged for a top 4 place, add to that they are in the Europa league and they are easily catchable. spuds are in transition and are looking for a new manager and it looks like a lot of the players they brought in last summer could be going back out the door, their manager doesn't even pick the targets so your going to have a new manager with players going in and out who he has no say over. spuds are catchable as well.
we don't need to spend a fortune because we already have players that would cost a fortune to buy, we just need to buy one or 2 good quality players and a couple of decent back ups.
But do those figures include wages???
because Spurs replaced one well paid winger with about 8 established internationals, all probably on 50-100k a week?
So not so simple as adding up transfer fees..
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aussie_Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately the increasing sense of panic felt by many fans has largely been created by the club itself, who should have been more proactive and open regarding their future plans and investment. Their silence has only encouraged the circling vultures and led to an increasingly unstable and unsettling situation. All this needs sorting before the Wold Cup, yet at the same time it's surely madness to even talk about selling players who are about play on the world stage for he first time and whose value is likely to be significantly more once the WC has finished. My gut reaction for what it's worth is that the club can probably persuade Potch to stay for the moment but that the serious investment required this summer will only happen if at least Shaw and/or Lallana are sold (at the right price). If it was only one the logical choice would be Shaw, whose loss I believe would be less significant and easier to rectify than Lallana's. Unfortunately we're all mushrooms at the momet and the sooner we're given some light the better.[/p][/quote]To be honest, I think the Club has been pretty open. Les Reed's statement was pretty unequivocal. I think it's purely the media jumping on the fact that MoPo hasn't had his contract extended yet, which was likely his decision as he will want guarantees as to transfer budget and the long term vision of the club (both of which he implied in his recent press conference). I don't think we require as much money as you might think in order to push into the top 6, and maybe even top 4. A figure of, say, £25m from the Club (less than in previous years), plus the proceeds of Osvaldo's sale (shouldn't be less than £10m) should give us at least £35m to play with. Spent prudently, that should be ample to buy a back up keeper, a new striker and a first-choice CB. Those additions, coupled with the natural progression and maturing of our incredibly young squad will lead to a significant improvement in playing standards. In saying all of that, I agree that if we HAD to sell one person, I would prefer it to be Shaw.[/p][/quote]I like your optimism but you also need to consider what the clubs in the top six will spend, which will I think be more than 35M. Also consider the teams in the top six haven't changed for 7 years. That I think puts it into perspective in terms of what £35M will get us. I think we need spend that amount to stay in the same place or just one spot better and keep AL. And prices/wages will increase in proportion to the increased revenues PL teams are receiving in the new season. We need to find some bargains from somewhere.[/p][/quote]we were the 6th highest spenders last season with a total of £36mill. the top 2 spenders were spuds £106.4mill and then mancy on £90.9mill, then 3r were chelski on £61.5mill. spuds only actually spent £20mill net when you take away the bale money so we had them covered. mancy are failing the eufa FFP regs and will probably not be huge spenders this summer, chelski are flirting with eufa FFP and would have failed if they hadn't sold mata before spending in jan. £30-£40mill would be a decent amount to spend again this summer and if we keep our current players it would certainly be enough to see us challenging the top 6. Everton will most likely lose lukaku this summer, he is a big reason they challenged for a top 4 place, add to that they are in the Europa league and they are easily catchable. spuds are in transition and are looking for a new manager and it looks like a lot of the players they brought in last summer could be going back out the door, their manager doesn't even pick the targets so your going to have a new manager with players going in and out who he has no say over. spuds are catchable as well. we don't need to spend a fortune because we already have players that would cost a fortune to buy, we just need to buy one or 2 good quality players and a couple of decent back ups.[/p][/quote]But do those figures include wages??? because Spurs replaced one well paid winger with about 8 established internationals, all probably on 50-100k a week? So not so simple as adding up transfer fees.. BracknellSaint
  • Score: 1

3:57pm Tue 13 May 14

Beer Monster says...

dunque wrote:
Beer Monster wrote:
Hearts have released a few players from their contracts if we want to get a few freebies...
I think you are on the wrong forum mate - try skatenews.co.uk
It's how we got Steven Davis from Rangers, and he hasn't been a bad signing, has he?
[quote][p][bold]dunque[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beer Monster[/bold] wrote: Hearts have released a few players from their contracts if we want to get a few freebies...[/p][/quote]I think you are on the wrong forum mate - try skatenews.co.uk[/p][/quote]It's how we got Steven Davis from Rangers, and he hasn't been a bad signing, has he? Beer Monster
  • Score: 1

4:00pm Tue 13 May 14

BracknellSaint says...

Still not sure what the worry is with MoPo?
He had a 2.5 year deal, and got a year left. So, normally an extension would be discussed even as,late as Xmas this year?
Bigger worry surrounding the players, but as nothing seems to have been officially confirmed about bids, how can we officially refuse?
Still not sure what the worry is with MoPo? He had a 2.5 year deal, and got a year left. So, normally an extension would be discussed even as,late as Xmas this year? Bigger worry surrounding the players, but as nothing seems to have been officially confirmed about bids, how can we officially refuse? BracknellSaint
  • Score: 0

4:26pm Tue 13 May 14

batesieboy says...

Readeano wrote:
Picture 107 of the Saints last day gallery IMO says it all "Lallana saying goodbye"

of us really know what is going on and many people like to start things off FACT....

I have heard SFC have rejected the big for Shaw and this was from various titter accounts etc so is a prime example of people pretending to be ITK....

I won't believe it till i hear it on SFC, but for me, my current feeling and IMO and no one else's, AL is off....... MP will i reckon be devastated as most of us probably will be............. I hope orted before the World Cup so we can all chill, have a pint and enjoy it
You tw@t. How about reading the drivel you "write" before hitting the post button?
[quote][p][bold]Readeano[/bold] wrote: Picture 107 of the Saints last day gallery IMO says it all "Lallana saying goodbye" of us really know what is going on and many people like to start things off FACT.... I have heard SFC have rejected the big for Shaw and this was from various titter accounts etc so is a prime example of people pretending to be ITK.... I won't believe it till i hear it on SFC, but for me, my current feeling and IMO and no one else's, AL is off....... MP will i reckon be devastated as most of us probably will be............. I hope orted before the World Cup so we can all chill, have a pint and enjoy it[/p][/quote]You tw@t. How about reading the drivel you "write" before hitting the post button? batesieboy
  • Score: 0

4:34pm Tue 13 May 14

Saints2010 says...

http://www.saintsfc.
co.uk/news/article/1
3052014-adam-lallana
-world-cup-call-up-1
550190.aspx

"I’ve got a few days now to chill out with my family and have a bit of downtime, and then we go to Portugal and start training."

"Ever since that day, we’ve had a special bond and it has grown and grown. We’ve made the step up together, going into the Championship and Premier League, and then made our international debuts in the same season."

I'm sorry but that just doesn't sound like a player who's going anywhere. I may be wrong, after all I am slightly biased. But from what it looks like there's no way he'll sign before joining up with England and I doubt Lalla's going anywhere. Why get off the bus when we're just a stop or two away from Europe when he could easily have gotten of back in League One?

Poch will sign as well. The only reason there are doubts are because the club have made an effort to be a bit more open with the since in the post-Cortese era. So, as of before we wouldn't have known what was going on, we now know that talks are only taking place from now onward, which allows the idiots in charge of selling newspapers sell it in a very negative way in regards to Saints. But when everything was undercover things could well have gone on just like this. SO CHILL PEOPLE!

Shaw is possibly the only there could be doubts about since he's young and could be temped. But:
1- Even if he did go, while it would be a big loss, we've got MT who is just as good apparently.
2- But he won't go because he'd be leaving his childhood mates who have come up from the youth squads together and is nicely settled in the area.
3- And he's an intelligent young man who should be able to realize that Saints is the place to be.

And for the doomers going on about the board... We haven't changed owner. KL is still the boss, she seems to turn up at pretty much every home (and away) game towards the end of the season - hardly someone who wants to sell. And there is no reason why the board wouldn't invest the cash she'll give them: we've got a new sponsor, we've started being more commercial, media and fan friendly (openness, Youtube coverage, Swansea away...). Cash will be there.

SO FFS, STOP WORRYING. WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON AND WE'LL BE FINE. Let the media sell their cr@p to the plastics of Manure and co. Let the idiotic pundits say this and that. Let the "big" clubs send in their offers. I'm confident that come August we'll have a squad even stronger than the one we have today. COYR!!!
http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/news/article/1 3052014-adam-lallana -world-cup-call-up-1 550190.aspx "I’ve got a few days now to chill out with my family and have a bit of downtime, and then we go to Portugal and start training." "Ever since that day, we’ve [him and Lambert] had a special bond and it has grown and grown. We’ve made the step up together, going into the Championship and Premier League, and then made our international debuts in the same season." I'm sorry but that just doesn't sound like a player who's going anywhere. I may be wrong, after all I am slightly biased. But from what it looks like there's no way he'll sign before joining up with England and I doubt Lalla's going anywhere. Why get off the bus when we're just a stop or two away from Europe when he could easily have gotten of back in League One? Poch will sign as well. The only reason there are doubts are because the club have made an effort to be a bit more open with the since in the post-Cortese era. So, as of before we wouldn't have known what was going on, we now know that talks are only taking place from now onward, which allows the idiots in charge of selling newspapers sell it in a very negative way in regards to Saints. But when everything was undercover things could well have gone on just like this. SO CHILL PEOPLE! Shaw is possibly the only there could be doubts about since he's young and could be temped. But: 1- Even if he did go, while it would be a big loss, we've got MT who is just as good apparently. 2- But he won't go because he'd be leaving his childhood mates who have come up from the youth squads together and is nicely settled in the area. 3- And he's an intelligent young man who should be able to realize that Saints is the place to be. And for the doomers going on about the board... We haven't changed owner. KL is still the boss, she seems to turn up at pretty much every home (and away) game towards the end of the season - hardly someone who wants to sell. And there is no reason why the board wouldn't invest the cash she'll give them: we've got a new sponsor, we've started being more commercial, media and fan friendly (openness, Youtube coverage, Swansea away...). Cash will be there. SO FFS, STOP WORRYING. WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON AND WE'LL BE FINE. Let the media sell their cr@p to the plastics of Manure and co. Let the idiotic pundits say this and that. Let the "big" clubs send in their offers. I'm confident that come August we'll have a squad even stronger than the one we have today. COYR!!! Saints2010
  • Score: 6

4:45pm Tue 13 May 14

SaintSteve76 says...

montecristosaint wrote:
this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left??
We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints
Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed.
Why so many thumbs down? I actually agree with this to a certain extent. It seems like all the ambition has gone with no news about a new vision. This is down to ralph krueger and particularly Katherine liebherr. If they're not careful pochettino won't sign a new contract and we will slowly but surely lose all our best players. It seems to me that cortese left because he was told to stop spending so much money and to stop aiming so high. Look at everton, they refused to sell leighton baines and they finished 5th, almost qualifying for the champions league. Why isn't all the top teams after their players? For me it's because we've invited teams to make bids for our players due to weak comments and statements from the board, whereas everton would no doubt say from the off that the player is not for sale end of! Cortese helped turn saints fans dreams into a potential reality by helping to create an excellent young team with a fantastic manager and making champions league football a potential reality. Again look how close everton came this year. That could easily be us next year by keeping the team together and adding a top striker to replace osvaldo. It seems ro me that these dreams and aspirations created by cortese are slowly but surely being destroyed by Katherine liebherr and ralph krueger. Just my opinion. I will of course be forever eternally grateful to cortese and markus however if Katherine didn't want to carry on the ambition and vision which has been created she may as well just have sold the club rather than sell our best players to make money and turn us back in to being a mediocre team. That's not what the fans want or expected after the last couple of years!
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left?? We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed.[/p][/quote]Why so many thumbs down? I actually agree with this to a certain extent. It seems like all the ambition has gone with no news about a new vision. This is down to ralph krueger and particularly Katherine liebherr. If they're not careful pochettino won't sign a new contract and we will slowly but surely lose all our best players. It seems to me that cortese left because he was told to stop spending so much money and to stop aiming so high. Look at everton, they refused to sell leighton baines and they finished 5th, almost qualifying for the champions league. Why isn't all the top teams after their players? For me it's because we've invited teams to make bids for our players due to weak comments and statements from the board, whereas everton would no doubt say from the off that the player is not for sale end of! Cortese helped turn saints fans dreams into a potential reality by helping to create an excellent young team with a fantastic manager and making champions league football a potential reality. Again look how close everton came this year. That could easily be us next year by keeping the team together and adding a top striker to replace osvaldo. It seems ro me that these dreams and aspirations created by cortese are slowly but surely being destroyed by Katherine liebherr and ralph krueger. Just my opinion. I will of course be forever eternally grateful to cortese and markus however if Katherine didn't want to carry on the ambition and vision which has been created she may as well just have sold the club rather than sell our best players to make money and turn us back in to being a mediocre team. That's not what the fans want or expected after the last couple of years! SaintSteve76
  • Score: 0

4:46pm Tue 13 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Beer Monster wrote:
Sherwood gone from Spurs...
Didn't see that coming did we? Who would go to manage a Club whose owners have no actual football knowledge (erm? I may have to think that one through a little bit), also a total disregard for someone that was getting results?
[quote][p][bold]Beer Monster[/bold] wrote: Sherwood gone from Spurs...[/p][/quote]Didn't see that coming did we? Who would go to manage a Club whose owners have no actual football knowledge (erm? I may have to think that one through a little bit), also a total disregard for someone that was getting results? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

4:52pm Tue 13 May 14

Blackwaterblue says...

Assuming they both go and also the Manager, then whoever the new Manager is (Moyes), he will have a healthy budget.
Assuming they both go and also the Manager, then whoever the new Manager is (Moyes), he will have a healthy budget. Blackwaterblue
  • Score: 0

4:55pm Tue 13 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

redandy10 wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
There's not much that the club can say. It's as I have been saying all along, if the player wants out, he's gone. If we keep Luke and Adam, slim chance, I believe we'll Poch, Jay and Dejan as well. If Luke goes so early, Adam will follow and maybe Poch and Jay will go to Spurs hand in hand.

It startling that some fans believe in Les Reed like he's the Easter Bunny. We CAN reject bids, but a contract is worth very little if the player wants out. Les has about as much say in Luke's future as any of us. For posters to keep asking other posters if they are calling Uncle Les a liar is laughable. He surely wants to keep these players, which in reality counts for squat!!!

What happens with young Luke will determine the rest of the summer. If he goes it will cast doubt on how achievable our ambitions really are. Our players and MoPo will read a lot into this and they will take this into consideration when they make their decisions!
players contract is worth the same if a player wants to stay or go, it all depends on whether the club want to keep the player!

luke and lalla have 4 years of a contract that they were happy to sign left, the club don't need the money from selling them, so even if a player says he wants out he can be told NO, just like Liverpool, west brum and manure did last season.
people keep saying that theres little a club can do if a player wants out but turn that around and ask what can a player do? if they refuse to play they lose heir wages. so what can a player do? why do people think they hold all the power?
if contracts `aren't worth the paper they are written on` then why bother with contracts at all. turn players into freelance self employed contractors and let them pay all their tax NI etc. players then can control their own futures and move wherever they like. I think you will find that players wont like that idea though because at the moment when they sign a contract they are almost guaranteed all the money from that contract, its very hard to sack a professional footballers and they love the security a contract gives them. they cant have it both ways though, if they want security from having a contract then they shouldn't expect to be able to walk away from that contract at the drop of a hat!
clubs need to stand up to players if they want to keep them!
I second your ethical stance Cabbie that clubs need to stand up to players who are under contract, but it's not likely to happen. By your logic Luke being under contract for a further four years should mean he stays, we'll se who is proved right.

IF Luke were to stay it would demonstrate to Poch and Adam, Jay, Dejan and Morgan that probably our most coverted commodity believes in the club's potential. This would mean more than any statements issued by Uncle Les, it would be actions not words! The flip side is that if one goes, it could lead to another two or three asking to move on. As much as they love the club they'll see it as this club is only going to go so far, I want Champions Leagu football. What happens with Luke is MASSIVE for our club. Don't expect Luke to leave and Adam and Poch to stay. It WILL determine just how the summer pans out.
NO you don't get it do you!
by my logic Luke will stay for the length of his contract unless the club decides to sell, did you see the unless.
contracts are there for several reasons.
firstly it protects the players, it is very rare for a club to sack a player and it can only be done under certain circumstances. players are guaranteed the full wage in their contract. which is why we still have players on the books on good wages that the club don't want yet cant sell unless the player is happy to take a drop in wages.
secondly it protects the club. having luke on a 5 year deal means that no club can talk to him, even via agents, unless we agree. I know some think that agents do talk but it makes no difference because the clubs cant. players can only talk to other clubs without permission when they have half a year left on their deals
thirdly, longer contracts increase the players value. the fact that luke has 4 years left means any buying club would have to pay a lot of money, and that's because we don't want or have to sell.

I`m not saying that luke wont leave, although I don't think he will this summer, but he will only leave if saints agree and so far they have said that the players aren't for sale. a player wanting to leave shouldn't come into it, they cant take any action to force a move. clubs have given into players too easily in the past. as I said its time they took a stance, diverpool westbrum and manure have proven that they can.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: There's not much that the club can say. It's as I have been saying all along, if the player wants out, he's gone. If we keep Luke and Adam, slim chance, I believe we'll Poch, Jay and Dejan as well. If Luke goes so early, Adam will follow and maybe Poch and Jay will go to Spurs hand in hand. It startling that some fans believe in Les Reed like he's the Easter Bunny. We CAN reject bids, but a contract is worth very little if the player wants out. Les has about as much say in Luke's future as any of us. For posters to keep asking other posters if they are calling Uncle Les a liar is laughable. He surely wants to keep these players, which in reality counts for squat!!! What happens with young Luke will determine the rest of the summer. If he goes it will cast doubt on how achievable our ambitions really are. Our players and MoPo will read a lot into this and they will take this into consideration when they make their decisions![/p][/quote]players contract is worth the same if a player wants to stay or go, it all depends on whether the club want to keep the player! luke and lalla have 4 years of a contract that they were happy to sign left, the club don't need the money from selling them, so even if a player says he wants out he can be told NO, just like Liverpool, west brum and manure did last season. people keep saying that theres little a club can do if a player wants out but turn that around and ask what can a player do? if they refuse to play they lose heir wages. so what can a player do? why do people think they hold all the power? if contracts `aren't worth the paper they are written on` then why bother with contracts at all. turn players into freelance self employed contractors and let them pay all their tax NI etc. players then can control their own futures and move wherever they like. I think you will find that players wont like that idea though because at the moment when they sign a contract they are almost guaranteed all the money from that contract, its very hard to sack a professional footballers and they love the security a contract gives them. they cant have it both ways though, if they want security from having a contract then they shouldn't expect to be able to walk away from that contract at the drop of a hat! clubs need to stand up to players if they want to keep them![/p][/quote]I second your ethical stance Cabbie that clubs need to stand up to players who are under contract, but it's not likely to happen. By your logic Luke being under contract for a further four years should mean he stays, we'll se who is proved right. IF Luke were to stay it would demonstrate to Poch and Adam, Jay, Dejan and Morgan that probably our most coverted commodity believes in the club's potential. This would mean more than any statements issued by Uncle Les, it would be actions not words! The flip side is that if one goes, it could lead to another two or three asking to move on. As much as they love the club they'll see it as this club is only going to go so far, I want Champions Leagu football. What happens with Luke is MASSIVE for our club. Don't expect Luke to leave and Adam and Poch to stay. It WILL determine just how the summer pans out.[/p][/quote]NO you don't get it do you! by my logic Luke will stay for the length of his contract unless the club decides to sell, did you see the unless. contracts are there for several reasons. firstly it protects the players, it is very rare for a club to sack a player and it can only be done under certain circumstances. players are guaranteed the full wage in their contract. which is why we still have players on the books on good wages that the club don't want yet cant sell unless the player is happy to take a drop in wages. secondly it protects the club. having luke on a 5 year deal means that no club can talk to him, even via agents, unless we agree. I know some think that agents do talk but it makes no difference because the clubs cant. players can only talk to other clubs without permission when they have half a year left on their deals thirdly, longer contracts increase the players value. the fact that luke has 4 years left means any buying club would have to pay a lot of money, and that's because we don't want or have to sell. I`m not saying that luke wont leave, although I don't think he will this summer, but he will only leave if saints agree and so far they have said that the players aren't for sale. a player wanting to leave shouldn't come into it, they cant take any action to force a move. clubs have given into players too easily in the past. as I said its time they took a stance, diverpool westbrum and manure have proven that they can. el caballo santos101
  • Score: -2

4:58pm Tue 13 May 14

Abbey Saint says...

"The Echo understands......" = made up story.
All media outlets combine to create their own cesspit of rumour and counter rumour and pray it's one of their stories that turns out to be the floater as it were.

Only one news source counts, and that's the Saints website. Everything else is dross. Let's wait and see, eh?
"The Echo understands......" = made up story. All media outlets combine to create their own cesspit of rumour and counter rumour and pray it's one of their stories that turns out to be the floater as it were. Only one news source counts, and that's the Saints website. Everything else is dross. Let's wait and see, eh? Abbey Saint
  • Score: 0

5:02pm Tue 13 May 14

saintbobby says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Just menioned on Sky Sports News. Marseilles and Monaco have tried to head hunt Poochy and he flatly turned them down. Approaches from Newcastle have been received re Poochy going there (possible but can't see that happening) No mention of anything concrete from Spurs.

According the Sky Sports Poochy speaks English well and talks to the players in English. He is expected to make his announcement one way or the other in English
Lovely jubbly.
Good comment, Dell Boy! How's Rodney? We've got a few "plonkers" on here, methinks at times!
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Just menioned on Sky Sports News. Marseilles and Monaco have tried to head hunt Poochy and he flatly turned them down. Approaches from Newcastle have been received re Poochy going there (possible but can't see that happening) No mention of anything concrete from Spurs. According the Sky Sports Poochy speaks English well and talks to the players in English. He is expected to make his announcement one way or the other in English[/p][/quote]Lovely jubbly.[/p][/quote]Good comment, Dell Boy! How's Rodney? We've got a few "plonkers" on here, methinks at times! saintbobby
  • Score: 1

5:13pm Tue 13 May 14

right back in the bar says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Just watched MOTD having returned from Majorca stag party..
All the commentators, pundits and Mr Lineker said it's a 'shame' we have to sell ALL our young players but we have to..

I believe the club made the biggest Ricket in the world when they announced they had inherited a difficult situation…never, not ever do you show other competitors a weak hand…all our current issues stem rom this stupidity..

Whatever we fans thought of NC and his disinterest in us he never played a weak hand, I am really upset for all the fans, the club and our players at having to go through this unneccesary pain, even if we did have to sell why would you let peole know that?
Lineker is a Burkleigh Hunt who still think in terms of us being a surprise package. There is no one more irritating at least when you consider how much he gets paid for trotting out the same inane rubbish week in week out. That said I agree with you about the weak hand - Reed did the club no service whatsoever (in spite of what man believed on here) when he went public a few weeks ago and ended up saying nothing of any substance. Now there is silence meaning the board still doesn't have its house in order. I've never rated Red and I am very suspicious of Freddie.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Just watched MOTD having returned from Majorca stag party.. All the commentators, pundits and Mr Lineker said it's a 'shame' we have to sell ALL our young players but we have to.. I believe the club made the biggest Ricket in the world when they announced they had inherited a difficult situation…never, not ever do you show other competitors a weak hand…all our current issues stem rom this stupidity.. Whatever we fans thought of NC and his disinterest in us he never played a weak hand, I am really upset for all the fans, the club and our players at having to go through this unneccesary pain, even if we did have to sell why would you let peole know that?[/p][/quote]Lineker is a Burkleigh Hunt who still think in terms of us being a surprise package. There is no one more irritating at least when you consider how much he gets paid for trotting out the same inane rubbish week in week out. That said I agree with you about the weak hand - Reed did the club no service whatsoever (in spite of what man believed on here) when he went public a few weeks ago and ended up saying nothing of any substance. Now there is silence meaning the board still doesn't have its house in order. I've never rated Red and I am very suspicious of Freddie. right back in the bar
  • Score: 1

5:15pm Tue 13 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Anyone know the truth about us dropping Adidas as kit providers?
Anyone know the truth about us dropping Adidas as kit providers? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

5:16pm Tue 13 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

SaintSteve76 wrote:
montecristosaint wrote:
this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left??
We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints
Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed.
Why so many thumbs down? I actually agree with this to a certain extent. It seems like all the ambition has gone with no news about a new vision. This is down to ralph krueger and particularly Katherine liebherr. If they're not careful pochettino won't sign a new contract and we will slowly but surely lose all our best players. It seems to me that cortese left because he was told to stop spending so much money and to stop aiming so high. Look at everton, they refused to sell leighton baines and they finished 5th, almost qualifying for the champions league. Why isn't all the top teams after their players? For me it's because we've invited teams to make bids for our players due to weak comments and statements from the board, whereas everton would no doubt say from the off that the player is not for sale end of! Cortese helped turn saints fans dreams into a potential reality by helping to create an excellent young team with a fantastic manager and making champions league football a potential reality. Again look how close everton came this year. That could easily be us next year by keeping the team together and adding a top striker to replace osvaldo. It seems ro me that these dreams and aspirations created by cortese are slowly but surely being destroyed by Katherine liebherr and ralph krueger. Just my opinion. I will of course be forever eternally grateful to cortese and markus however if Katherine didn't want to carry on the ambition and vision which has been created she may as well just have sold the club rather than sell our best players to make money and turn us back in to being a mediocre team. That's not what the fans want or expected after the last couple of years!
we don't know why NC left, but we do know that KL wanted him to stay. KL only took over the ownership of the club last year and wanted a seat on the board, from what has been said its understood that NC wanted to keep the total control over the club that he had been enjoying. there has been nothing said about money, so why are fans with no knowledge saying that?
Everton did lose a player last season to manure, baines isn't the reason they finished 5th,thats down to lukaku who they don't own. KL has shown areal interest in the club and there is nothing to suggest she isn't aiming an lower or has less ambition than we previously had.

carry on worrying all you like, personally im going to sit back relax and enjoy watching our players in the world cup!
[quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left?? We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed.[/p][/quote]Why so many thumbs down? I actually agree with this to a certain extent. It seems like all the ambition has gone with no news about a new vision. This is down to ralph krueger and particularly Katherine liebherr. If they're not careful pochettino won't sign a new contract and we will slowly but surely lose all our best players. It seems to me that cortese left because he was told to stop spending so much money and to stop aiming so high. Look at everton, they refused to sell leighton baines and they finished 5th, almost qualifying for the champions league. Why isn't all the top teams after their players? For me it's because we've invited teams to make bids for our players due to weak comments and statements from the board, whereas everton would no doubt say from the off that the player is not for sale end of! Cortese helped turn saints fans dreams into a potential reality by helping to create an excellent young team with a fantastic manager and making champions league football a potential reality. Again look how close everton came this year. That could easily be us next year by keeping the team together and adding a top striker to replace osvaldo. It seems ro me that these dreams and aspirations created by cortese are slowly but surely being destroyed by Katherine liebherr and ralph krueger. Just my opinion. I will of course be forever eternally grateful to cortese and markus however if Katherine didn't want to carry on the ambition and vision which has been created she may as well just have sold the club rather than sell our best players to make money and turn us back in to being a mediocre team. That's not what the fans want or expected after the last couple of years![/p][/quote]we don't know why NC left, but we do know that KL wanted him to stay. KL only took over the ownership of the club last year and wanted a seat on the board, from what has been said its understood that NC wanted to keep the total control over the club that he had been enjoying. there has been nothing said about money, so why are fans with no knowledge saying that? Everton did lose a player last season to manure, baines isn't the reason they finished 5th,thats down to lukaku who they don't own. KL has shown areal interest in the club and there is nothing to suggest she isn't aiming an lower or has less ambition than we previously had. carry on worrying all you like, personally im going to sit back relax and enjoy watching our players in the world cup! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 2

5:27pm Tue 13 May 14

notaclue says...

I think Saints need to get some good PR people on the payroll, there is a war going on out there, a campaign by the press and the media to sell all our players and the manger, but I think in the end we are doing things the Swiss-German way "actions speak louder than words".

Sign MoPo and reject all offers?

Whatever happens will be in the best longterm interest of Saints, have faith.
I think Saints need to get some good PR people on the payroll, there is a war going on out there, a campaign by the press and the media to sell all our players and the manger, but I think in the end we are doing things the Swiss-German way "actions speak louder than words". Sign MoPo and reject all offers? Whatever happens will be in the best longterm interest of Saints, have faith. notaclue
  • Score: 1

5:35pm Tue 13 May 14

NC Fan4Life says...

notaclue wrote:
I think Saints need to get some good PR people on the payroll, there is a war going on out there, a campaign by the press and the media to sell all our players and the manger, but I think in the end we are doing things the Swiss-German way "actions speak louder than words".

Sign MoPo and reject all offers?

Whatever happens will be in the best longterm interest of Saints, have faith.
Totally agree, but I thought members of the new board were good at PR.
Maybe they are fueling it !!
I can't believe that the next 5 year plan involves breaking up the current group.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: I think Saints need to get some good PR people on the payroll, there is a war going on out there, a campaign by the press and the media to sell all our players and the manger, but I think in the end we are doing things the Swiss-German way "actions speak louder than words". Sign MoPo and reject all offers? Whatever happens will be in the best longterm interest of Saints, have faith.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, but I thought members of the new board were good at PR. Maybe they are fueling it !! I can't believe that the next 5 year plan involves breaking up the current group. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 0

5:36pm Tue 13 May 14

notaclue says...

right back in the bar wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Just watched MOTD having returned from Majorca stag party..
All the commentators, pundits and Mr Lineker said it's a 'shame' we have to sell ALL our young players but we have to..

I believe the club made the biggest Ricket in the world when they announced they had inherited a difficult situation…never, not ever do you show other competitors a weak hand…all our current issues stem rom this stupidity..

Whatever we fans thought of NC and his disinterest in us he never played a weak hand, I am really upset for all the fans, the club and our players at having to go through this unneccesary pain, even if we did have to sell why would you let peole know that?
Lineker is a Burkleigh Hunt who still think in terms of us being a surprise package. There is no one more irritating at least when you consider how much he gets paid for trotting out the same inane rubbish week in week out. That said I agree with you about the weak hand - Reed did the club no service whatsoever (in spite of what man believed on here) when he went public a few weeks ago and ended up saying nothing of any substance. Now there is silence meaning the board still doesn't have its house in order. I've never rated Red and I am very suspicious of Freddie.
You (and Lynaker) ignored the bit where the board said we did not need to sell any player the manager wanted to keep and that funds were in place if Saints needed to act quickly in the transfer market.
Servicing the debt does not require the selling of any players!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Just watched MOTD having returned from Majorca stag party.. All the commentators, pundits and Mr Lineker said it's a 'shame' we have to sell ALL our young players but we have to.. I believe the club made the biggest Ricket in the world when they announced they had inherited a difficult situation…never, not ever do you show other competitors a weak hand…all our current issues stem rom this stupidity.. Whatever we fans thought of NC and his disinterest in us he never played a weak hand, I am really upset for all the fans, the club and our players at having to go through this unneccesary pain, even if we did have to sell why would you let peole know that?[/p][/quote]Lineker is a Burkleigh Hunt who still think in terms of us being a surprise package. There is no one more irritating at least when you consider how much he gets paid for trotting out the same inane rubbish week in week out. That said I agree with you about the weak hand - Reed did the club no service whatsoever (in spite of what man believed on here) when he went public a few weeks ago and ended up saying nothing of any substance. Now there is silence meaning the board still doesn't have its house in order. I've never rated Red and I am very suspicious of Freddie.[/p][/quote]You (and Lynaker) ignored the bit where the board said we did not need to sell any player the manager wanted to keep and that funds were in place if Saints needed to act quickly in the transfer market. Servicing the debt does not require the selling of any players!!!!!!!!!!!! notaclue
  • Score: 1

5:37pm Tue 13 May 14

Stnana says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
There's not much that the club can say. It's as I have been saying all along, if the player wants out, he's gone. If we keep Luke and Adam, slim chance, I believe we'll Poch, Jay and Dejan as well. If Luke goes so early, Adam will follow and maybe Poch and Jay will go to Spurs hand in hand.

It startling that some fans believe in Les Reed like he's the Easter Bunny. We CAN reject bids, but a contract is worth very little if the player wants out. Les has about as much say in Luke's future as any of us. For posters to keep asking other posters if they are calling Uncle Les a liar is laughable. He surely wants to keep these players, which in reality counts for squat!!!

What happens with young Luke will determine the rest of the summer. If he goes it will cast doubt on how achievable our ambitions really are. Our players and MoPo will read a lot into this and they will take this into consideration when they make their decisions!
players contract is worth the same if a player wants to stay or go, it all depends on whether the club want to keep the player!

luke and lalla have 4 years of a contract that they were happy to sign left, the club don't need the money from selling them, so even if a player says he wants out he can be told NO, just like Liverpool, west brum and manure did last season.
people keep saying that theres little a club can do if a player wants out but turn that around and ask what can a player do? if they refuse to play they lose heir wages. so what can a player do? why do people think they hold all the power?
if contracts `aren't worth the paper they are written on` then why bother with contracts at all. turn players into freelance self employed contractors and let them pay all their tax NI etc. players then can control their own futures and move wherever they like. I think you will find that players wont like that idea though because at the moment when they sign a contract they are almost guaranteed all the money from that contract, its very hard to sack a professional footballers and they love the security a contract gives them. they cant have it both ways though, if they want security from having a contract then they shouldn't expect to be able to walk away from that contract at the drop of a hat!
clubs need to stand up to players if they want to keep them!
I second your ethical stance Cabbie that clubs need to stand up to players who are under contract, but it's not likely to happen. By your logic Luke being under contract for a further four years should mean he stays, we'll se who is proved right.

IF Luke were to stay it would demonstrate to Poch and Adam, Jay, Dejan and Morgan that probably our most coverted commodity believes in the club's potential. This would mean more than any statements issued by Uncle Les, it would be actions not words! The flip side is that if one goes, it could lead to another two or three asking to move on. As much as they love the club they'll see it as this club is only going to go so far, I want Champions Leagu football. What happens with Luke is MASSIVE for our club. Don't expect Luke to leave and Adam and Poch to stay. It WILL determine just how the summer pans out.
NO you don't get it do you!
by my logic Luke will stay for the length of his contract unless the club decides to sell, did you see the unless.
contracts are there for several reasons.
firstly it protects the players, it is very rare for a club to sack a player and it can only be done under certain circumstances. players are guaranteed the full wage in their contract. which is why we still have players on the books on good wages that the club don't want yet cant sell unless the player is happy to take a drop in wages.
secondly it protects the club. having luke on a 5 year deal means that no club can talk to him, even via agents, unless we agree. I know some think that agents do talk but it makes no difference because the clubs cant. players can only talk to other clubs without permission when they have half a year left on their deals
thirdly, longer contracts increase the players value. the fact that luke has 4 years left means any buying club would have to pay a lot of money, and that's because we don't want or have to sell.

I`m not saying that luke wont leave, although I don't think he will this summer, but he will only leave if saints agree and so far they have said that the players aren't for sale. a player wanting to leave shouldn't come into it, they cant take any action to force a move. clubs have given into players too easily in the past. as I said its time they took a stance, diverpool westbrum and manure have proven that they can.
I agree with everything you've said today and in the last few weeks. It's time for the board to stand firm against the players with long contracts, their agents, and other clubs wanting to lure them away. A firm NO is all that's needed.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: There's not much that the club can say. It's as I have been saying all along, if the player wants out, he's gone. If we keep Luke and Adam, slim chance, I believe we'll Poch, Jay and Dejan as well. If Luke goes so early, Adam will follow and maybe Poch and Jay will go to Spurs hand in hand. It startling that some fans believe in Les Reed like he's the Easter Bunny. We CAN reject bids, but a contract is worth very little if the player wants out. Les has about as much say in Luke's future as any of us. For posters to keep asking other posters if they are calling Uncle Les a liar is laughable. He surely wants to keep these players, which in reality counts for squat!!! What happens with young Luke will determine the rest of the summer. If he goes it will cast doubt on how achievable our ambitions really are. Our players and MoPo will read a lot into this and they will take this into consideration when they make their decisions![/p][/quote]players contract is worth the same if a player wants to stay or go, it all depends on whether the club want to keep the player! luke and lalla have 4 years of a contract that they were happy to sign left, the club don't need the money from selling them, so even if a player says he wants out he can be told NO, just like Liverpool, west brum and manure did last season. people keep saying that theres little a club can do if a player wants out but turn that around and ask what can a player do? if they refuse to play they lose heir wages. so what can a player do? why do people think they hold all the power? if contracts `aren't worth the paper they are written on` then why bother with contracts at all. turn players into freelance self employed contractors and let them pay all their tax NI etc. players then can control their own futures and move wherever they like. I think you will find that players wont like that idea though because at the moment when they sign a contract they are almost guaranteed all the money from that contract, its very hard to sack a professional footballers and they love the security a contract gives them. they cant have it both ways though, if they want security from having a contract then they shouldn't expect to be able to walk away from that contract at the drop of a hat! clubs need to stand up to players if they want to keep them![/p][/quote]I second your ethical stance Cabbie that clubs need to stand up to players who are under contract, but it's not likely to happen. By your logic Luke being under contract for a further four years should mean he stays, we'll se who is proved right. IF Luke were to stay it would demonstrate to Poch and Adam, Jay, Dejan and Morgan that probably our most coverted commodity believes in the club's potential. This would mean more than any statements issued by Uncle Les, it would be actions not words! The flip side is that if one goes, it could lead to another two or three asking to move on. As much as they love the club they'll see it as this club is only going to go so far, I want Champions Leagu football. What happens with Luke is MASSIVE for our club. Don't expect Luke to leave and Adam and Poch to stay. It WILL determine just how the summer pans out.[/p][/quote]NO you don't get it do you! by my logic Luke will stay for the length of his contract unless the club decides to sell, did you see the unless. contracts are there for several reasons. firstly it protects the players, it is very rare for a club to sack a player and it can only be done under certain circumstances. players are guaranteed the full wage in their contract. which is why we still have players on the books on good wages that the club don't want yet cant sell unless the player is happy to take a drop in wages. secondly it protects the club. having luke on a 5 year deal means that no club can talk to him, even via agents, unless we agree. I know some think that agents do talk but it makes no difference because the clubs cant. players can only talk to other clubs without permission when they have half a year left on their deals thirdly, longer contracts increase the players value. the fact that luke has 4 years left means any buying club would have to pay a lot of money, and that's because we don't want or have to sell. I`m not saying that luke wont leave, although I don't think he will this summer, but he will only leave if saints agree and so far they have said that the players aren't for sale. a player wanting to leave shouldn't come into it, they cant take any action to force a move. clubs have given into players too easily in the past. as I said its time they took a stance, diverpool westbrum and manure have proven that they can.[/p][/quote]I agree with everything you've said today and in the last few weeks. It's time for the board to stand firm against the players with long contracts, their agents, and other clubs wanting to lure them away. A firm NO is all that's needed. Stnana
  • Score: 2

5:41pm Tue 13 May 14

Costa Baz says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyone know the truth about us dropping Adidas as kit providers?
https://www.facebook
.com/adidasFootballU
K/posts/641326732603
985

According to this, it's true.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Anyone know the truth about us dropping Adidas as kit providers?[/p][/quote]https://www.facebook .com/adidasFootballU K/posts/641326732603 985 According to this, it's true. Costa Baz
  • Score: 0

5:50pm Tue 13 May 14

THEREDS1892 says...

What is it with you saints fans! You have always been a selling club and will always will be get over it.As for a big club your dreaming! Even your local seaside town next to you Bournemouth are bigger! So get a grip. ...
What is it with you saints fans! You have always been a selling club and will always will be get over it.As for a big club your dreaming! Even your local seaside town next to you Bournemouth are bigger! So get a grip. ... THEREDS1892
  • Score: -9

5:56pm Tue 13 May 14

warrens 76 says...

THEREDS1892 wrote:
What is it with you saints fans! You have always been a selling club and will always will be get over it.As for a big club your dreaming! Even your local seaside town next to you Bournemouth are bigger! So get a grip. ...
Kent 141 welcome back, now pi55 off.
[quote][p][bold]THEREDS1892[/bold] wrote: What is it with you saints fans! You have always been a selling club and will always will be get over it.As for a big club your dreaming! Even your local seaside town next to you Bournemouth are bigger! So get a grip. ...[/p][/quote]Kent 141 welcome back, now pi55 off. warrens 76
  • Score: 6

5:57pm Tue 13 May 14

right back in the bar says...

THEREDS1892 wrote:
What is it with you saints fans! You have always been a selling club and will always will be get over it.As for a big club your dreaming! Even your local seaside town next to you Bournemouth are bigger! So get a grip. ...
Another member of the Burkleigh Hunt.
[quote][p][bold]THEREDS1892[/bold] wrote: What is it with you saints fans! You have always been a selling club and will always will be get over it.As for a big club your dreaming! Even your local seaside town next to you Bournemouth are bigger! So get a grip. ...[/p][/quote]Another member of the Burkleigh Hunt. right back in the bar
  • Score: -1

6:13pm Tue 13 May 14

notaclue says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
notaclue wrote:
I think Saints need to get some good PR people on the payroll, there is a war going on out there, a campaign by the press and the media to sell all our players and the manger, but I think in the end we are doing things the Swiss-German way "actions speak louder than words".

Sign MoPo and reject all offers?

Whatever happens will be in the best longterm interest of Saints, have faith.
Totally agree, but I thought members of the new board were good at PR.
Maybe they are fueling it !!
I can't believe that the next 5 year plan involves breaking up the current group.
Perhaps I should have said Spin Doctor - that's it sign a Spin Doctor to deal with the UK press.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: I think Saints need to get some good PR people on the payroll, there is a war going on out there, a campaign by the press and the media to sell all our players and the manger, but I think in the end we are doing things the Swiss-German way "actions speak louder than words". Sign MoPo and reject all offers? Whatever happens will be in the best longterm interest of Saints, have faith.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, but I thought members of the new board were good at PR. Maybe they are fueling it !! I can't believe that the next 5 year plan involves breaking up the current group.[/p][/quote]Perhaps I should have said Spin Doctor - that's it sign a Spin Doctor to deal with the UK press. notaclue
  • Score: 0

6:34pm Tue 13 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

I just can't wait to sit back,relax and enjoy watching the media squirming,when it finally dawns on them that everyone is staying with Southampton.
I just can't wait to sit back,relax and enjoy watching the media squirming,when it finally dawns on them that everyone is staying with Southampton. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

6:37pm Tue 13 May 14

Clever Dick says...

THEREDS1892 wrote:
What is it with you saints fans! You have always been a selling club and will always will be get over it.As for a big club your dreaming! Even your local seaside town next to you Bournemouth are bigger! So get a grip. ...
Alright Jrod/Kent? Where've you been? It's all relative isn't it, the size of a club. We aren't as big as Barca ,Real, and quite a few Prem sides currently. Only a fool would say lickle Bmuff are bigger than us. But then again,as I said ,all sizes are relative aren't they.at least they are much bigger than skunt fc.
[quote][p][bold]THEREDS1892[/bold] wrote: What is it with you saints fans! You have always been a selling club and will always will be get over it.As for a big club your dreaming! Even your local seaside town next to you Bournemouth are bigger! So get a grip. ...[/p][/quote]Alright Jrod/Kent? Where've you been? It's all relative isn't it, the size of a club. We aren't as big as Barca ,Real, and quite a few Prem sides currently. Only a fool would say lickle Bmuff are bigger than us. But then again,as I said ,all sizes are relative aren't they.at least they are much bigger than skunt fc. Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

6:37pm Tue 13 May 14

Clever Dick says...

THEREDS1892 wrote:
What is it with you saints fans! You have always been a selling club and will always will be get over it.As for a big club your dreaming! Even your local seaside town next to you Bournemouth are bigger! So get a grip. ...
Alright Jrod/Kent? Where've you been? It's all relative isn't it, the size of a club. We aren't as big as Barca ,Real, and quite a few Prem sides currently. Only a fool would say lickle Bmuff are bigger than us. But then again,as I said ,all sizes are relative aren't they.at least they are much bigger than skunt fc.
[quote][p][bold]THEREDS1892[/bold] wrote: What is it with you saints fans! You have always been a selling club and will always will be get over it.As for a big club your dreaming! Even your local seaside town next to you Bournemouth are bigger! So get a grip. ...[/p][/quote]Alright Jrod/Kent? Where've you been? It's all relative isn't it, the size of a club. We aren't as big as Barca ,Real, and quite a few Prem sides currently. Only a fool would say lickle Bmuff are bigger than us. But then again,as I said ,all sizes are relative aren't they.at least they are much bigger than skunt fc. Clever Dick
  • Score: 2

6:47pm Tue 13 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

THEREDS1892 wrote:
What is it with you saints fans! You have always been a selling club and will always will be get over it.As for a big club your dreaming! Even your local seaside town next to you Bournemouth are bigger! So get a grip. ...
Shhhhhhush
[quote][p][bold]THEREDS1892[/bold] wrote: What is it with you saints fans! You have always been a selling club and will always will be get over it.As for a big club your dreaming! Even your local seaside town next to you Bournemouth are bigger! So get a grip. ...[/p][/quote]Shhhhhhush OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

6:53pm Tue 13 May 14

Invidia says...

I have just read on Newsnow that Saints have rejected offers from Liverpool and Manu and have said that none of our top players are for sale at any price!!
Do you think that MoPo has agreed a new contract?
I have just read on Newsnow that Saints have rejected offers from Liverpool and Manu and have said that none of our top players are for sale at any price!! Do you think that MoPo has agreed a new contract? Invidia
  • Score: 1

6:53pm Tue 13 May 14

Jan28th1984 says...

THEREDS1892.........
...hehe no relation to PTID1898 at all, of course.
THEREDS1892......... ...hehe no relation to PTID1898 at all, of course. Jan28th1984
  • Score: 1

7:15pm Tue 13 May 14

elvis says...

PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
like a roast chicken is done ? Or do you mean DONE like a cheepSKATE football team owned by its fans ?? Excuse my curiosity but with all of youre fans on the board can the 3 of you all still fit in the phone box down by the railway station ? Just curious . x
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]like a roast chicken is done ? Or do you mean DONE like a cheepSKATE football team owned by its fans ?? Excuse my curiosity but with all of youre fans on the board can the 3 of you all still fit in the phone box down by the railway station ? Just curious . x elvis
  • Score: 0

7:29pm Tue 13 May 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Sorry if someone has already posted this but I've just arrived home and haven't had time to read all the threads and above posts but today's good news bounced out French radio at me late this afternoon:

MORGAN IS ON THE FRENCH WORLD CUP RESERVE LIST

Not wishing bad on any of the France squad but wouldn't it be sweet if he also made the plane?
Sorry if someone has already posted this but I've just arrived home and haven't had time to read all the threads and above posts but today's good news bounced out French radio at me late this afternoon: MORGAN IS ON THE FRENCH WORLD CUP RESERVE LIST Not wishing bad on any of the France squad but wouldn't it be sweet if he also made the plane? Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 2

7:31pm Tue 13 May 14

Saints2010 says...

Schneiderlin's been named in France's 7 back-up players for the World Cup. He deserves a shot in one of their friendlies. I suppose Liverpool will be after him as well now LOL
Schneiderlin's been named in France's 7 back-up players for the World Cup. He deserves a shot in one of their friendlies. I suppose Liverpool will be after him as well now LOL Saints2010
  • Score: 0

7:38pm Tue 13 May 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Les, thanks to Nichola Adam & Luke are under contract and are worth at least double what has been bid so come on Les tell Liverpool & Manure they are wasting their time at those offers, both will be worth a lot more after the World Cup so at least wait until August.
Chelsea value Edin Hazard at £45m which is what a player of Adam's quality may cost us. Also make sure we get a good % sell on clause remember 25% of Adams fee goes to Bournemouth.
We must stop sell players too cheaply eg Bale, Walcott & OxladeChamberlain.
Les, thanks to Nichola Adam & Luke are under contract and are worth at least double what has been bid so come on Les tell Liverpool & Manure they are wasting their time at those offers, both will be worth a lot more after the World Cup so at least wait until August. Chelsea value Edin Hazard at £45m which is what a player of Adam's quality may cost us. Also make sure we get a good % sell on clause remember 25% of Adams fee goes to Bournemouth. We must stop sell players too cheaply eg Bale, Walcott & OxladeChamberlain. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 0

7:42pm Tue 13 May 14

Inthebox says...

Aussie_Saint wrote:
montecristosaint wrote:
this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left??
We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints
Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed.
Settle down mate. It's all paper talk.

Katherina Liebherr has been nothing but supportive of the club. It's her money that bought players like Lovren, J-Rod, Nat Clyne etc. So to criticise her for showing a lack of commitment is beyond ridiculous.
Not paper talk , both are done deals (from the mouth of someone who is very close to what goes on at St Marys).
[quote][p][bold]Aussie_Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left?? We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed.[/p][/quote]Settle down mate. It's all paper talk. Katherina Liebherr has been nothing but supportive of the club. It's her money that bought players like Lovren, J-Rod, Nat Clyne etc. So to criticise her for showing a lack of commitment is beyond ridiculous.[/p][/quote]Not paper talk , both are done deals (from the mouth of someone who is very close to what goes on at St Marys). Inthebox
  • Score: -4

7:54pm Tue 13 May 14

DisplacedFan says...

THEREDS1892 wrote:
What is it with you saints fans! You have always been a selling club and will always will be get over it.As for a big club your dreaming! Even your local seaside town next to you Bournemouth are bigger! So get a grip. ...
That's funny. Pathetic, but funny.
[quote][p][bold]THEREDS1892[/bold] wrote: What is it with you saints fans! You have always been a selling club and will always will be get over it.As for a big club your dreaming! Even your local seaside town next to you Bournemouth are bigger! So get a grip. ...[/p][/quote]That's funny. Pathetic, but funny. DisplacedFan
  • Score: 1

7:59pm Tue 13 May 14

terrence77 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Sorry if someone has already posted this but I've just arrived home and haven't had time to read all the threads and above posts but today's good news bounced out French radio at me late this afternoon:

MORGAN IS ON THE FRENCH WORLD CUP RESERVE LIST

Not wishing bad on any of the France squad but wouldn't it be sweet if he also made the plane?
To be fair I warned everybody on here ages ago but I was surprise with Mavuba going instead of Morgan.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Sorry if someone has already posted this but I've just arrived home and haven't had time to read all the threads and above posts but today's good news bounced out French radio at me late this afternoon: MORGAN IS ON THE FRENCH WORLD CUP RESERVE LIST Not wishing bad on any of the France squad but wouldn't it be sweet if he also made the plane?[/p][/quote]To be fair I warned everybody on here ages ago but I was surprise with Mavuba going instead of Morgan. terrence77
  • Score: -1

8:06pm Tue 13 May 14

rednwhite72 says...

Stnana wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
There's not much that the club can say. It's as I have been saying all along, if the player wants out, he's gone. If we keep Luke and Adam, slim chance, I believe we'll Poch, Jay and Dejan as well. If Luke goes so early, Adam will follow and maybe Poch and Jay will go to Spurs hand in hand.

It startling that some fans believe in Les Reed like he's the Easter Bunny. We CAN reject bids, but a contract is worth very little if the player wants out. Les has about as much say in Luke's future as any of us. For posters to keep asking other posters if they are calling Uncle Les a liar is laughable. He surely wants to keep these players, which in reality counts for squat!!!

What happens with young Luke will determine the rest of the summer. If he goes it will cast doubt on how achievable our ambitions really are. Our players and MoPo will read a lot into this and they will take this into consideration when they make their decisions!
players contract is worth the same if a player wants to stay or go, it all depends on whether the club want to keep the player!

luke and lalla have 4 years of a contract that they were happy to sign left, the club don't need the money from selling them, so even if a player says he wants out he can be told NO, just like Liverpool, west brum and manure did last season.
people keep saying that theres little a club can do if a player wants out but turn that around and ask what can a player do? if they refuse to play they lose heir wages. so what can a player do? why do people think they hold all the power?
if contracts `aren't worth the paper they are written on` then why bother with contracts at all. turn players into freelance self employed contractors and let them pay all their tax NI etc. players then can control their own futures and move wherever they like. I think you will find that players wont like that idea though because at the moment when they sign a contract they are almost guaranteed all the money from that contract, its very hard to sack a professional footballers and they love the security a contract gives them. they cant have it both ways though, if they want security from having a contract then they shouldn't expect to be able to walk away from that contract at the drop of a hat!
clubs need to stand up to players if they want to keep them!
I second your ethical stance Cabbie that clubs need to stand up to players who are under contract, but it's not likely to happen. By your logic Luke being under contract for a further four years should mean he stays, we'll se who is proved right.

IF Luke were to stay it would demonstrate to Poch and Adam, Jay, Dejan and Morgan that probably our most coverted commodity believes in the club's potential. This would mean more than any statements issued by Uncle Les, it would be actions not words! The flip side is that if one goes, it could lead to another two or three asking to move on. As much as they love the club they'll see it as this club is only going to go so far, I want Champions Leagu football. What happens with Luke is MASSIVE for our club. Don't expect Luke to leave and Adam and Poch to stay. It WILL determine just how the summer pans out.
NO you don't get it do you!
by my logic Luke will stay for the length of his contract unless the club decides to sell, did you see the unless.
contracts are there for several reasons.
firstly it protects the players, it is very rare for a club to sack a player and it can only be done under certain circumstances. players are guaranteed the full wage in their contract. which is why we still have players on the books on good wages that the club don't want yet cant sell unless the player is happy to take a drop in wages.
secondly it protects the club. having luke on a 5 year deal means that no club can talk to him, even via agents, unless we agree. I know some think that agents do talk but it makes no difference because the clubs cant. players can only talk to other clubs without permission when they have half a year left on their deals
thirdly, longer contracts increase the players value. the fact that luke has 4 years left means any buying club would have to pay a lot of money, and that's because we don't want or have to sell.

I`m not saying that luke wont leave, although I don't think he will this summer, but he will only leave if saints agree and so far they have said that the players aren't for sale. a player wanting to leave shouldn't come into it, they cant take any action to force a move. clubs have given into players too easily in the past. as I said its time they took a stance, diverpool westbrum and manure have proven that they can.
I agree with everything you've said today and in the last few weeks. It's time for the board to stand firm against the players with long contracts, their agents, and other clubs wanting to lure them away. A firm NO is all that's needed.
I think your over-looking release clauses, if they have release clauses in their contracts, which I'm willing to bet they have, then that can allow players to talk to interested clubs or oblige the owner club to accept or open negotation. This is why they discuss contract terms, if it was the case that the club calls all the shots then there would be no need or little point in discussion.
[quote][p][bold]Stnana[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: There's not much that the club can say. It's as I have been saying all along, if the player wants out, he's gone. If we keep Luke and Adam, slim chance, I believe we'll Poch, Jay and Dejan as well. If Luke goes so early, Adam will follow and maybe Poch and Jay will go to Spurs hand in hand. It startling that some fans believe in Les Reed like he's the Easter Bunny. We CAN reject bids, but a contract is worth very little if the player wants out. Les has about as much say in Luke's future as any of us. For posters to keep asking other posters if they are calling Uncle Les a liar is laughable. He surely wants to keep these players, which in reality counts for squat!!! What happens with young Luke will determine the rest of the summer. If he goes it will cast doubt on how achievable our ambitions really are. Our players and MoPo will read a lot into this and they will take this into consideration when they make their decisions![/p][/quote]players contract is worth the same if a player wants to stay or go, it all depends on whether the club want to keep the player! luke and lalla have 4 years of a contract that they were happy to sign left, the club don't need the money from selling them, so even if a player says he wants out he can be told NO, just like Liverpool, west brum and manure did last season. people keep saying that theres little a club can do if a player wants out but turn that around and ask what can a player do? if they refuse to play they lose heir wages. so what can a player do? why do people think they hold all the power? if contracts `aren't worth the paper they are written on` then why bother with contracts at all. turn players into freelance self employed contractors and let them pay all their tax NI etc. players then can control their own futures and move wherever they like. I think you will find that players wont like that idea though because at the moment when they sign a contract they are almost guaranteed all the money from that contract, its very hard to sack a professional footballers and they love the security a contract gives them. they cant have it both ways though, if they want security from having a contract then they shouldn't expect to be able to walk away from that contract at the drop of a hat! clubs need to stand up to players if they want to keep them![/p][/quote]I second your ethical stance Cabbie that clubs need to stand up to players who are under contract, but it's not likely to happen. By your logic Luke being under contract for a further four years should mean he stays, we'll se who is proved right. IF Luke were to stay it would demonstrate to Poch and Adam, Jay, Dejan and Morgan that probably our most coverted commodity believes in the club's potential. This would mean more than any statements issued by Uncle Les, it would be actions not words! The flip side is that if one goes, it could lead to another two or three asking to move on. As much as they love the club they'll see it as this club is only going to go so far, I want Champions Leagu football. What happens with Luke is MASSIVE for our club. Don't expect Luke to leave and Adam and Poch to stay. It WILL determine just how the summer pans out.[/p][/quote]NO you don't get it do you! by my logic Luke will stay for the length of his contract unless the club decides to sell, did you see the unless. contracts are there for several reasons. firstly it protects the players, it is very rare for a club to sack a player and it can only be done under certain circumstances. players are guaranteed the full wage in their contract. which is why we still have players on the books on good wages that the club don't want yet cant sell unless the player is happy to take a drop in wages. secondly it protects the club. having luke on a 5 year deal means that no club can talk to him, even via agents, unless we agree. I know some think that agents do talk but it makes no difference because the clubs cant. players can only talk to other clubs without permission when they have half a year left on their deals thirdly, longer contracts increase the players value. the fact that luke has 4 years left means any buying club would have to pay a lot of money, and that's because we don't want or have to sell. I`m not saying that luke wont leave, although I don't think he will this summer, but he will only leave if saints agree and so far they have said that the players aren't for sale. a player wanting to leave shouldn't come into it, they cant take any action to force a move. clubs have given into players too easily in the past. as I said its time they took a stance, diverpool westbrum and manure have proven that they can.[/p][/quote]I agree with everything you've said today and in the last few weeks. It's time for the board to stand firm against the players with long contracts, their agents, and other clubs wanting to lure them away. A firm NO is all that's needed.[/p][/quote]I think your over-looking release clauses, if they have release clauses in their contracts, which I'm willing to bet they have, then that can allow players to talk to interested clubs or oblige the owner club to accept or open negotation. This is why they discuss contract terms, if it was the case that the club calls all the shots then there would be no need or little point in discussion. rednwhite72
  • Score: -1

8:08pm Tue 13 May 14

westdraytonsaint says...

The writing is on the wall.Corsini left because the owner did not share his ambitions for the club.Pocchettino will leave for the same reason followed no doubt by Lallana,Shaw etc.The Mirror claims that the club are interested in Malky Mackay as he can work "with a sensible budget".More seasons back in the relegation zone just like the old days?
The writing is on the wall.Corsini left because the owner did not share his ambitions for the club.Pocchettino will leave for the same reason followed no doubt by Lallana,Shaw etc.The Mirror claims that the club are interested in Malky Mackay as he can work "with a sensible budget".More seasons back in the relegation zone just like the old days? westdraytonsaint
  • Score: -2

8:13pm Tue 13 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

westdraytonsaint wrote:
The writing is on the wall.Corsini left because the owner did not share his ambitions for the club.Pocchettino will leave for the same reason followed no doubt by Lallana,Shaw etc.The Mirror claims that the club are interested in Malky Mackay as he can work "with a sensible budget".More seasons back in the relegation zone just like the old days?
Some of these so called knowalls are beginning to get a bit tedious, I am convinced most of them are quoting from Football Manager computer games and are not in the real World at all.
[quote][p][bold]westdraytonsaint[/bold] wrote: The writing is on the wall.Corsini left because the owner did not share his ambitions for the club.Pocchettino will leave for the same reason followed no doubt by Lallana,Shaw etc.The Mirror claims that the club are interested in Malky Mackay as he can work "with a sensible budget".More seasons back in the relegation zone just like the old days?[/p][/quote]Some of these so called knowalls are beginning to get a bit tedious, I am convinced most of them are quoting from Football Manager computer games and are not in the real World at all. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

8:19pm Tue 13 May 14

up saints says...

Inthebox wrote:
Aussie_Saint wrote:
montecristosaint wrote:
this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left??
We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints
Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed.
Settle down mate. It's all paper talk.

Katherina Liebherr has been nothing but supportive of the club. It's her money that bought players like Lovren, J-Rod, Nat Clyne etc. So to criticise her for showing a lack of commitment is beyond ridiculous.
Not paper talk , both are done deals (from the mouth of someone who is very close to what goes on at St Marys).
in my opinion it's all paper talk until something is signed on the dotted line.
[quote][p][bold]Inthebox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aussie_Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left?? We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed.[/p][/quote]Settle down mate. It's all paper talk. Katherina Liebherr has been nothing but supportive of the club. It's her money that bought players like Lovren, J-Rod, Nat Clyne etc. So to criticise her for showing a lack of commitment is beyond ridiculous.[/p][/quote]Not paper talk , both are done deals (from the mouth of someone who is very close to what goes on at St Marys).[/p][/quote]in my opinion it's all paper talk until something is signed on the dotted line. up saints
  • Score: 2

8:42pm Tue 13 May 14

Clever Dick says...

Inthebox wrote:
Aussie_Saint wrote:
montecristosaint wrote:
this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left??
We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints
Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed.
Settle down mate. It's all paper talk.

Katherina Liebherr has been nothing but supportive of the club. It's her money that bought players like Lovren, J-Rod, Nat Clyne etc. So to criticise her for showing a lack of commitment is beyond ridiculous.
Not paper talk , both are done deals (from the mouth of someone who is very close to what goes on at St Marys).
Don't be ridiculous. If Mrs Wilson wants any news to get out she only confides in Confucious.
[quote][p][bold]Inthebox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aussie_Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: this is now bordering on the ridiculous. is this why then that Cortese left?? We have been told, three times, that our star players would not be sold. And yet , as I have written before, Krueger and Reed inspire no confidence they are simply not cut of the same cloth as Nicola Cortese, who was a very safe pair of hands. Is it true then that Katarina Liebherr s real agenda was to sell our best players and then sell the club? I ,and I am sure most fans now feel betrayed as if they had been true to their word those bids would as was first reported have been refused by Saints Just sell the club Miss Liebherr , we do not need our aspirations and your fathers ground out of us by sheer financial greed.[/p][/quote]Settle down mate. It's all paper talk. Katherina Liebherr has been nothing but supportive of the club. It's her money that bought players like Lovren, J-Rod, Nat Clyne etc. So to criticise her for showing a lack of commitment is beyond ridiculous.[/p][/quote]Not paper talk , both are done deals (from the mouth of someone who is very close to what goes on at St Marys).[/p][/quote]Don't be ridiculous. If Mrs Wilson wants any news to get out she only confides in Confucious. Clever Dick
  • Score: 4

8:45pm Tue 13 May 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

According to The Mirror Shaw has signed for Manchester United for 25 million! I hope so much this is untrue. I am actually saddened by this. On the personal level, I feel betrayed. All the hopes and dreams, slashed!

But on the professional level, I am disgusted. From my position as Professor of Business Administration, my take cannot be clearer: this is a huge mistake for shareholders with long term interests. Even for shareholders with medium term interest, this is dubious. Selling a player in massive demand before the chance for him to become an instant household name across the entire world, would need a massive raid to succeed against a rational shareholder with long term interest. But Let me tell you, 25 millions is not massive! At that price, the long term shareholder is a fool!

Then there are the wider ramifications. A player's value cannot be appraised without taking into account the effects of complementarity. Luke Shaw makes his team mates play better, and thereby makes them more valuable. If he is now gone, so is a large proportion of each of their value, even though they are still Saints. And that decline alone could easily exceed 25 million!

But there is more. There is, as has been stated before, the signal value of what has apparently occurred. If shareholders are not fools, then they must be maximizing over the short term. And given the quite extraordinary open statement of players warning against such an approach, this spells disaster! We could very soon, with high probability, witness destruction of value at massive scale, with players leaving at falling prices matching their falling spirits. Not to mention all the talent other places in the organization, as other companies go looking for the source of that strategic resource we have come to know as The Southampton Way. And these companies, by the way, will be those positive, intelligent clubs, making it harder for us to stay afloat as they use our resources against us...

For what it is worth, here is my view on the best decision for Southampton, and not unsurprisingly for me, it matches quite well the fans - those very long term individuals with the best interest of the club at heart:

Build! Build complementary value on the rising value we already have. That means keeping our best resources because they bring multiplicative value. Yes, costs will increase. But value will rise overall. And looking at risk, is it really more risky to keep prime assets? If we had the money back then and had kept Bale, Chamberlain, and Walcott, could we not have sold these players if need be, for much greater sums than the accumulated interest earned on their fees? The answer is, needless to say, yes.

To the Board: please be true to your word and keep the team together. We will never have a better chance to enter the elite than right now. It is in your duty to take it...
According to The Mirror Shaw has signed for Manchester United for 25 million! I hope so much this is untrue. I am actually saddened by this. On the personal level, I feel betrayed. All the hopes and dreams, slashed! But on the professional level, I am disgusted. From my position as Professor of Business Administration, my take cannot be clearer: this is a huge mistake for shareholders with long term interests. Even for shareholders with medium term interest, this is dubious. Selling a player in massive demand before the chance for him to become an instant household name across the entire world, would need a massive raid to succeed against a rational shareholder with long term interest. But Let me tell you, 25 millions is not massive! At that price, the long term shareholder is a fool! Then there are the wider ramifications. A player's value cannot be appraised without taking into account the effects of complementarity. Luke Shaw makes his team mates play better, and thereby makes them more valuable. If he is now gone, so is a large proportion of each of their value, even though they are still Saints. And that decline alone could easily exceed 25 million! But there is more. There is, as has been stated before, the signal value of what has apparently occurred. If shareholders are not fools, then they must be maximizing over the short term. And given the quite extraordinary open statement of players warning against such an approach, this spells disaster! We could very soon, with high probability, witness destruction of value at massive scale, with players leaving at falling prices matching their falling spirits. Not to mention all the talent other places in the organization, as other companies go looking for the source of that strategic resource we have come to know as The Southampton Way. And these companies, by the way, will be those positive, intelligent clubs, making it harder for us to stay afloat as they use our resources against us... For what it is worth, here is my view on the best decision for Southampton, and not unsurprisingly for me, it matches quite well the fans - those very long term individuals with the best interest of the club at heart: Build! Build complementary value on the rising value we already have. That means keeping our best resources because they bring multiplicative value. Yes, costs will increase. But value will rise overall. And looking at risk, is it really more risky to keep prime assets? If we had the money back then and had kept Bale, Chamberlain, and Walcott, could we not have sold these players if need be, for much greater sums than the accumulated interest earned on their fees? The answer is, needless to say, yes. To the Board: please be true to your word and keep the team together. We will never have a better chance to enter the elite than right now. It is in your duty to take it... BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 1

8:52pm Tue 13 May 14

Clever Dick says...

rednwhite72 wrote:
Stnana wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
There's not much that the club can say. It's as I have been saying all along, if the player wants out, he's gone. If we keep Luke and Adam, slim chance, I believe we'll Poch, Jay and Dejan as well. If Luke goes so early, Adam will follow and maybe Poch and Jay will go to Spurs hand in hand.

It startling that some fans believe in Les Reed like he's the Easter Bunny. We CAN reject bids, but a contract is worth very little if the player wants out. Les has about as much say in Luke's future as any of us. For posters to keep asking other posters if they are calling Uncle Les a liar is laughable. He surely wants to keep these players, which in reality counts for squat!!!

What happens with young Luke will determine the rest of the summer. If he goes it will cast doubt on how achievable our ambitions really are. Our players and MoPo will read a lot into this and they will take this into consideration when they make their decisions!
players contract is worth the same if a player wants to stay or go, it all depends on whether the club want to keep the player!

luke and lalla have 4 years of a contract that they were happy to sign left, the club don't need the money from selling them, so even if a player says he wants out he can be told NO, just like Liverpool, west brum and manure did last season.
people keep saying that theres little a club can do if a player wants out but turn that around and ask what can a player do? if they refuse to play they lose heir wages. so what can a player do? why do people think they hold all the power?
if contracts `aren't worth the paper they are written on` then why bother with contracts at all. turn players into freelance self employed contractors and let them pay all their tax NI etc. players then can control their own futures and move wherever they like. I think you will find that players wont like that idea though because at the moment when they sign a contract they are almost guaranteed all the money from that contract, its very hard to sack a professional footballers and they love the security a contract gives them. they cant have it both ways though, if they want security from having a contract then they shouldn't expect to be able to walk away from that contract at the drop of a hat!
clubs need to stand up to players if they want to keep them!
I second your ethical stance Cabbie that clubs need to stand up to players who are under contract, but it's not likely to happen. By your logic Luke being under contract for a further four years should mean he stays, we'll se who is proved right.

IF Luke were to stay it would demonstrate to Poch and Adam, Jay, Dejan and Morgan that probably our most coverted commodity believes in the club's potential. This would mean more than any statements issued by Uncle Les, it would be actions not words! The flip side is that if one goes, it could lead to another two or three asking to move on. As much as they love the club they'll see it as this club is only going to go so far, I want Champions Leagu football. What happens with Luke is MASSIVE for our club. Don't expect Luke to leave and Adam and Poch to stay. It WILL determine just how the summer pans out.
NO you don't get it do you!
by my logic Luke will stay for the length of his contract unless the club decides to sell, did you see the unless.
contracts are there for several reasons.
firstly it protects the players, it is very rare for a club to sack a player and it can only be done under certain circumstances. players are guaranteed the full wage in their contract. which is why we still have players on the books on good wages that the club don't want yet cant sell unless the player is happy to take a drop in wages.
secondly it protects the club. having luke on a 5 year deal means that no club can talk to him, even via agents, unless we agree. I know some think that agents do talk but it makes no difference because the clubs cant. players can only talk to other clubs without permission when they have half a year left on their deals
thirdly, longer contracts increase the players value. the fact that luke has 4 years left means any buying club would have to pay a lot of money, and that's because we don't want or have to sell.

I`m not saying that luke wont leave, although I don't think he will this summer, but he will only leave if saints agree and so far they have said that the players aren't for sale. a player wanting to leave shouldn't come into it, they cant take any action to force a move. clubs have given into players too easily in the past. as I said its time they took a stance, diverpool westbrum and manure have proven that they can.
I agree with everything you've said today and in the last few weeks. It's time for the board to stand firm against the players with long contracts, their agents, and other clubs wanting to lure them away. A firm NO is all that's needed.
I think your over-looking release clauses, if they have release clauses in their contracts, which I'm willing to bet they have, then that can allow players to talk to interested clubs or oblige the owner club to accept or open negotation. This is why they discuss contract terms, if it was the case that the club calls all the shots then there would be no need or little point in discussion.
Suarez had a release clause and Arsenal met it. Liverpool then decided he was worth more and refused to do the deal.
[quote][p][bold]rednwhite72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stnana[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: There's not much that the club can say. It's as I have been saying all along, if the player wants out, he's gone. If we keep Luke and Adam, slim chance, I believe we'll Poch, Jay and Dejan as well. If Luke goes so early, Adam will follow and maybe Poch and Jay will go to Spurs hand in hand. It startling that some fans believe in Les Reed like he's the Easter Bunny. We CAN reject bids, but a contract is worth very little if the player wants out. Les has about as much say in Luke's future as any of us. For posters to keep asking other posters if they are calling Uncle Les a liar is laughable. He surely wants to keep these players, which in reality counts for squat!!! What happens with young Luke will determine the rest of the summer. If he goes it will cast doubt on how achievable our ambitions really are. Our players and MoPo will read a lot into this and they will take this into consideration when they make their decisions![/p][/quote]players contract is worth the same if a player wants to stay or go, it all depends on whether the club want to keep the player! luke and lalla have 4 years of a contract that they were happy to sign left, the club don't need the money from selling them, so even if a player says he wants out he can be told NO, just like Liverpool, west brum and manure did last season. people keep saying that theres little a club can do if a player wants out but turn that around and ask what can a player do? if they refuse to play they lose heir wages. so what can a player do? why do people think they hold all the power? if contracts `aren't worth the paper they are written on` then why bother with contracts at all. turn players into freelance self employed contractors and let them pay all their tax NI etc. players then can control their own futures and move wherever they like. I think you will find that players wont like that idea though because at the moment when they sign a contract they are almost guaranteed all the money from that contract, its very hard to sack a professional footballers and they love the security a contract gives them. they cant have it both ways though, if they want security from having a contract then they shouldn't expect to be able to walk away from that contract at the drop of a hat! clubs need to stand up to players if they want to keep them![/p][/quote]I second your ethical stance Cabbie that clubs need to stand up to players who are under contract, but it's not likely to happen. By your logic Luke being under contract for a further four years should mean he stays, we'll se who is proved right. IF Luke were to stay it would demonstrate to Poch and Adam, Jay, Dejan and Morgan that probably our most coverted commodity believes in the club's potential. This would mean more than any statements issued by Uncle Les, it would be actions not words! The flip side is that if one goes, it could lead to another two or three asking to move on. As much as they love the club they'll see it as this club is only going to go so far, I want Champions Leagu football. What happens with Luke is MASSIVE for our club. Don't expect Luke to leave and Adam and Poch to stay. It WILL determine just how the summer pans out.[/p][/quote]NO you don't get it do you! by my logic Luke will stay for the length of his contract unless the club decides to sell, did you see the unless. contracts are there for several reasons. firstly it protects the players, it is very rare for a club to sack a player and it can only be done under certain circumstances. players are guaranteed the full wage in their contract. which is why we still have players on the books on good wages that the club don't want yet cant sell unless the player is happy to take a drop in wages. secondly it protects the club. having luke on a 5 year deal means that no club can talk to him, even via agents, unless we agree. I know some think that agents do talk but it makes no difference because the clubs cant. players can only talk to other clubs without permission when they have half a year left on their deals thirdly, longer contracts increase the players value. the fact that luke has 4 years left means any buying club would have to pay a lot of money, and that's because we don't want or have to sell. I`m not saying that luke wont leave, although I don't think he will this summer, but he will only leave if saints agree and so far they have said that the players aren't for sale. a player wanting to leave shouldn't come into it, they cant take any action to force a move. clubs have given into players too easily in the past. as I said its time they took a stance, diverpool westbrum and manure have proven that they can.[/p][/quote]I agree with everything you've said today and in the last few weeks. It's time for the board to stand firm against the players with long contracts, their agents, and other clubs wanting to lure them away. A firm NO is all that's needed.[/p][/quote]I think your over-looking release clauses, if they have release clauses in their contracts, which I'm willing to bet they have, then that can allow players to talk to interested clubs or oblige the owner club to accept or open negotation. This is why they discuss contract terms, if it was the case that the club calls all the shots then there would be no need or little point in discussion.[/p][/quote]Suarez had a release clause and Arsenal met it. Liverpool then decided he was worth more and refused to do the deal. Clever Dick
  • Score: 2

8:58pm Tue 13 May 14

Baddesley Bill says...

It's going to be a long Summer.....
It's going to be a long Summer..... Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 3

8:58pm Tue 13 May 14

Clever Dick says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
According to The Mirror Shaw has signed for Manchester United for 25 million! I hope so much this is untrue. I am actually saddened by this. On the personal level, I feel betrayed. All the hopes and dreams, slashed!

But on the professional level, I am disgusted. From my position as Professor of Business Administration, my take cannot be clearer: this is a huge mistake for shareholders with long term interests. Even for shareholders with medium term interest, this is dubious. Selling a player in massive demand before the chance for him to become an instant household name across the entire world, would need a massive raid to succeed against a rational shareholder with long term interest. But Let me tell you, 25 millions is not massive! At that price, the long term shareholder is a fool!

Then there are the wider ramifications. A player's value cannot be appraised without taking into account the effects of complementarity. Luke Shaw makes his team mates play better, and thereby makes them more valuable. If he is now gone, so is a large proportion of each of their value, even though they are still Saints. And that decline alone could easily exceed 25 million!

But there is more. There is, as has been stated before, the signal value of what has apparently occurred. If shareholders are not fools, then they must be maximizing over the short term. And given the quite extraordinary open statement of players warning against such an approach, this spells disaster! We could very soon, with high probability, witness destruction of value at massive scale, with players leaving at falling prices matching their falling spirits. Not to mention all the talent other places in the organization, as other companies go looking for the source of that strategic resource we have come to know as The Southampton Way. And these companies, by the way, will be those positive, intelligent clubs, making it harder for us to stay afloat as they use our resources against us...

For what it is worth, here is my view on the best decision for Southampton, and not unsurprisingly for me, it matches quite well the fans - those very long term individuals with the best interest of the club at heart:

Build! Build complementary value on the rising value we already have. That means keeping our best resources because they bring multiplicative value. Yes, costs will increase. But value will rise overall. And looking at risk, is it really more risky to keep prime assets? If we had the money back then and had kept Bale, Chamberlain, and Walcott, could we not have sold these players if need be, for much greater sums than the accumulated interest earned on their fees? The answer is, needless to say, yes.

To the Board: please be true to your word and keep the team together. We will never have a better chance to enter the elite than right now. It is in your duty to take it...
Well there is no need to be saddened, betrayed and disgusted. Until it appears on the official site it's just speculation.
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: According to The Mirror Shaw has signed for Manchester United for 25 million! I hope so much this is untrue. I am actually saddened by this. On the personal level, I feel betrayed. All the hopes and dreams, slashed! But on the professional level, I am disgusted. From my position as Professor of Business Administration, my take cannot be clearer: this is a huge mistake for shareholders with long term interests. Even for shareholders with medium term interest, this is dubious. Selling a player in massive demand before the chance for him to become an instant household name across the entire world, would need a massive raid to succeed against a rational shareholder with long term interest. But Let me tell you, 25 millions is not massive! At that price, the long term shareholder is a fool! Then there are the wider ramifications. A player's value cannot be appraised without taking into account the effects of complementarity. Luke Shaw makes his team mates play better, and thereby makes them more valuable. If he is now gone, so is a large proportion of each of their value, even though they are still Saints. And that decline alone could easily exceed 25 million! But there is more. There is, as has been stated before, the signal value of what has apparently occurred. If shareholders are not fools, then they must be maximizing over the short term. And given the quite extraordinary open statement of players warning against such an approach, this spells disaster! We could very soon, with high probability, witness destruction of value at massive scale, with players leaving at falling prices matching their falling spirits. Not to mention all the talent other places in the organization, as other companies go looking for the source of that strategic resource we have come to know as The Southampton Way. And these companies, by the way, will be those positive, intelligent clubs, making it harder for us to stay afloat as they use our resources against us... For what it is worth, here is my view on the best decision for Southampton, and not unsurprisingly for me, it matches quite well the fans - those very long term individuals with the best interest of the club at heart: Build! Build complementary value on the rising value we already have. That means keeping our best resources because they bring multiplicative value. Yes, costs will increase. But value will rise overall. And looking at risk, is it really more risky to keep prime assets? If we had the money back then and had kept Bale, Chamberlain, and Walcott, could we not have sold these players if need be, for much greater sums than the accumulated interest earned on their fees? The answer is, needless to say, yes. To the Board: please be true to your word and keep the team together. We will never have a better chance to enter the elite than right now. It is in your duty to take it...[/p][/quote]Well there is no need to be saddened, betrayed and disgusted. Until it appears on the official site it's just speculation. Clever Dick
  • Score: 4

9:24pm Tue 13 May 14

dadofmy3sons says...

on the OS it is more good news
Morgan has been selected in the larger squad for France and JWP has made the England U21 squad
Why would any player want to leave when international recognition is part of their Saints contract.
on the OS it is more good news Morgan has been selected in the larger squad for France and JWP has made the England U21 squad Why would any player want to leave when international recognition is part of their Saints contract. dadofmy3sons
  • Score: 0

9:32pm Tue 13 May 14

psm67 says...

andoru wrote:
How long does it take to say "F**k off"?
the season has been ruined we now have an inspirational speaker as a chairman who wont answer questions and tells us were we belongt in eight place, no ambition same old southampton ,SELL to some one who will invest in the stadium and the team
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: How long does it take to say "F**k off"?[/p][/quote]the season has been ruined we now have an inspirational speaker as a chairman who wont answer questions and tells us were we belongt in eight place, no ambition same old southampton ,SELL to some one who will invest in the stadium and the team psm67
  • Score: -2

9:38pm Tue 13 May 14

Chrissymarsdenfootballgenius says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
According to The Mirror Shaw has signed for Manchester United for 25 million! I hope so much this is untrue. I am actually saddened by this. On the personal level, I feel betrayed. All the hopes and dreams, slashed!

But on the professional level, I am disgusted. From my position as Professor of Business Administration, my take cannot be clearer: this is a huge mistake for shareholders with long term interests. Even for shareholders with medium term interest, this is dubious. Selling a player in massive demand before the chance for him to become an instant household name across the entire world, would need a massive raid to succeed against a rational shareholder with long term interest. But Let me tell you, 25 millions is not massive! At that price, the long term shareholder is a fool!

Then there are the wider ramifications. A player's value cannot be appraised without taking into account the effects of complementarity. Luke Shaw makes his team mates play better, and thereby makes them more valuable. If he is now gone, so is a large proportion of each of their value, even though they are still Saints. And that decline alone could easily exceed 25 million!

But there is more. There is, as has been stated before, the signal value of what has apparently occurred. If shareholders are not fools, then they must be maximizing over the short term. And given the quite extraordinary open statement of players warning against such an approach, this spells disaster! We could very soon, with high probability, witness destruction of value at massive scale, with players leaving at falling prices matching their falling spirits. Not to mention all the talent other places in the organization, as other companies go looking for the source of that strategic resource we have come to know as The Southampton Way. And these companies, by the way, will be those positive, intelligent clubs, making it harder for us to stay afloat as they use our resources against us...

For what it is worth, here is my view on the best decision for Southampton, and not unsurprisingly for me, it matches quite well the fans - those very long term individuals with the best interest of the club at heart:

Build! Build complementary value on the rising value we already have. That means keeping our best resources because they bring multiplicative value. Yes, costs will increase. But value will rise overall. And looking at risk, is it really more risky to keep prime assets? If we had the money back then and had kept Bale, Chamberlain, and Walcott, could we not have sold these players if need be, for much greater sums than the accumulated interest earned on their fees? The answer is, needless to say, yes.

To the Board: please be true to your word and keep the team together. We will never have a better chance to enter the elite than right now. It is in your duty to take it...
This is a theory based on tabloid speculation of events that are yet to happen, what your saying is true if said events had occurred but they haven't so don't sweat it pal! All will come out in the wash as they say but the wash has only just gone on and your looking at good 2 week cycle ! Chill your beans n have a cuppa think about other things for a while! We will be told by the club when there is something to tell!
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: According to The Mirror Shaw has signed for Manchester United for 25 million! I hope so much this is untrue. I am actually saddened by this. On the personal level, I feel betrayed. All the hopes and dreams, slashed! But on the professional level, I am disgusted. From my position as Professor of Business Administration, my take cannot be clearer: this is a huge mistake for shareholders with long term interests. Even for shareholders with medium term interest, this is dubious. Selling a player in massive demand before the chance for him to become an instant household name across the entire world, would need a massive raid to succeed against a rational shareholder with long term interest. But Let me tell you, 25 millions is not massive! At that price, the long term shareholder is a fool! Then there are the wider ramifications. A player's value cannot be appraised without taking into account the effects of complementarity. Luke Shaw makes his team mates play better, and thereby makes them more valuable. If he is now gone, so is a large proportion of each of their value, even though they are still Saints. And that decline alone could easily exceed 25 million! But there is more. There is, as has been stated before, the signal value of what has apparently occurred. If shareholders are not fools, then they must be maximizing over the short term. And given the quite extraordinary open statement of players warning against such an approach, this spells disaster! We could very soon, with high probability, witness destruction of value at massive scale, with players leaving at falling prices matching their falling spirits. Not to mention all the talent other places in the organization, as other companies go looking for the source of that strategic resource we have come to know as The Southampton Way. And these companies, by the way, will be those positive, intelligent clubs, making it harder for us to stay afloat as they use our resources against us... For what it is worth, here is my view on the best decision for Southampton, and not unsurprisingly for me, it matches quite well the fans - those very long term individuals with the best interest of the club at heart: Build! Build complementary value on the rising value we already have. That means keeping our best resources because they bring multiplicative value. Yes, costs will increase. But value will rise overall. And looking at risk, is it really more risky to keep prime assets? If we had the money back then and had kept Bale, Chamberlain, and Walcott, could we not have sold these players if need be, for much greater sums than the accumulated interest earned on their fees? The answer is, needless to say, yes. To the Board: please be true to your word and keep the team together. We will never have a better chance to enter the elite than right now. It is in your duty to take it...[/p][/quote]This is a theory based on tabloid speculation of events that are yet to happen, what your saying is true if said events had occurred but they haven't so don't sweat it pal! All will come out in the wash as they say but the wash has only just gone on and your looking at good 2 week cycle ! Chill your beans n have a cuppa think about other things for a while! We will be told by the club when there is something to tell! Chrissymarsdenfootballgenius
  • Score: 0

9:39pm Tue 13 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Good news Artur captained Poland to 0 0 draw against Germany tonight.
Good news Artur captained Poland to 0 0 draw against Germany tonight. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

9:46pm Tue 13 May 14

Chrissymarsdenfootballgenius says...

DisplacedFan wrote:
THEREDS1892 wrote:
What is it with you saints fans! You have always been a selling club and will always will be get over it.As for a big club your dreaming! Even your local seaside town next to you Bournemouth are bigger! So get a grip. ...
That's funny. Pathetic, but funny.
Let me guess, you live down South but support a 'big' club lol - plastic glory hunting at it's best!
[quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEREDS1892[/bold] wrote: What is it with you saints fans! You have always been a selling club and will always will be get over it.As for a big club your dreaming! Even your local seaside town next to you Bournemouth are bigger! So get a grip. ...[/p][/quote]That's funny. Pathetic, but funny.[/p][/quote]Let me guess, you live down South but support a 'big' club lol - plastic glory hunting at it's best! Chrissymarsdenfootballgenius
  • Score: 1

9:57pm Tue 13 May 14

florida saint says...

PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
yea any one of the two great young players are worth more than your whole cowboy outfit of a club, now go back and enjoy div 4 you sk8 pr 1ck.
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]yea any one of the two great young players are worth more than your whole cowboy outfit of a club, now go back and enjoy div 4 you sk8 pr 1ck. florida saint
  • Score: 1

9:58pm Tue 13 May 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

Clever Dick wrote:
BigBugBuzzz wrote:
According to The Mirror Shaw has signed for Manchester United for 25 million! I hope so much this is untrue. I am actually saddened by this. On the personal level, I feel betrayed. All the hopes and dreams, slashed!

But on the professional level, I am disgusted. From my position as Professor of Business Administration, my take cannot be clearer: this is a huge mistake for shareholders with long term interests. Even for shareholders with medium term interest, this is dubious. Selling a player in massive demand before the chance for him to become an instant household name across the entire world, would need a massive raid to succeed against a rational shareholder with long term interest. But Let me tell you, 25 millions is not massive! At that price, the long term shareholder is a fool!

Then there are the wider ramifications. A player's value cannot be appraised without taking into account the effects of complementarity. Luke Shaw makes his team mates play better, and thereby makes them more valuable. If he is now gone, so is a large proportion of each of their value, even though they are still Saints. And that decline alone could easily exceed 25 million!

But there is more. There is, as has been stated before, the signal value of what has apparently occurred. If shareholders are not fools, then they must be maximizing over the short term. And given the quite extraordinary open statement of players warning against such an approach, this spells disaster! We could very soon, with high probability, witness destruction of value at massive scale, with players leaving at falling prices matching their falling spirits. Not to mention all the talent other places in the organization, as other companies go looking for the source of that strategic resource we have come to know as The Southampton Way. And these companies, by the way, will be those positive, intelligent clubs, making it harder for us to stay afloat as they use our resources against us...

For what it is worth, here is my view on the best decision for Southampton, and not unsurprisingly for me, it matches quite well the fans - those very long term individuals with the best interest of the club at heart:

Build! Build complementary value on the rising value we already have. That means keeping our best resources because they bring multiplicative value. Yes, costs will increase. But value will rise overall. And looking at risk, is it really more risky to keep prime assets? If we had the money back then and had kept Bale, Chamberlain, and Walcott, could we not have sold these players if need be, for much greater sums than the accumulated interest earned on their fees? The answer is, needless to say, yes.

To the Board: please be true to your word and keep the team together. We will never have a better chance to enter the elite than right now. It is in your duty to take it...
Well there is no need to be saddened, betrayed and disgusted. Until it appears on the official site it's just speculation.
I will feel saddened, betrayed and disgusted if it actually happens! To me it is suicidal for the club to let what has been built over the last 5 years be dismantled. I sincerely hope that behind the scenes moves are being made that will reassure everyone.However, the silence is deafening
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: According to The Mirror Shaw has signed for Manchester United for 25 million! I hope so much this is untrue. I am actually saddened by this. On the personal level, I feel betrayed. All the hopes and dreams, slashed! But on the professional level, I am disgusted. From my position as Professor of Business Administration, my take cannot be clearer: this is a huge mistake for shareholders with long term interests. Even for shareholders with medium term interest, this is dubious. Selling a player in massive demand before the chance for him to become an instant household name across the entire world, would need a massive raid to succeed against a rational shareholder with long term interest. But Let me tell you, 25 millions is not massive! At that price, the long term shareholder is a fool! Then there are the wider ramifications. A player's value cannot be appraised without taking into account the effects of complementarity. Luke Shaw makes his team mates play better, and thereby makes them more valuable. If he is now gone, so is a large proportion of each of their value, even though they are still Saints. And that decline alone could easily exceed 25 million! But there is more. There is, as has been stated before, the signal value of what has apparently occurred. If shareholders are not fools, then they must be maximizing over the short term. And given the quite extraordinary open statement of players warning against such an approach, this spells disaster! We could very soon, with high probability, witness destruction of value at massive scale, with players leaving at falling prices matching their falling spirits. Not to mention all the talent other places in the organization, as other companies go looking for the source of that strategic resource we have come to know as The Southampton Way. And these companies, by the way, will be those positive, intelligent clubs, making it harder for us to stay afloat as they use our resources against us... For what it is worth, here is my view on the best decision for Southampton, and not unsurprisingly for me, it matches quite well the fans - those very long term individuals with the best interest of the club at heart: Build! Build complementary value on the rising value we already have. That means keeping our best resources because they bring multiplicative value. Yes, costs will increase. But value will rise overall. And looking at risk, is it really more risky to keep prime assets? If we had the money back then and had kept Bale, Chamberlain, and Walcott, could we not have sold these players if need be, for much greater sums than the accumulated interest earned on their fees? The answer is, needless to say, yes. To the Board: please be true to your word and keep the team together. We will never have a better chance to enter the elite than right now. It is in your duty to take it...[/p][/quote]Well there is no need to be saddened, betrayed and disgusted. Until it appears on the official site it's just speculation.[/p][/quote]I will feel saddened, betrayed and disgusted if it actually happens! To me it is suicidal for the club to let what has been built over the last 5 years be dismantled. I sincerely hope that behind the scenes moves are being made that will reassure everyone.However, the silence is deafening Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 0

10:07pm Tue 13 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
BigBugBuzzz wrote:
According to The Mirror Shaw has signed for Manchester United for 25 million! I hope so much this is untrue. I am actually saddened by this. On the personal level, I feel betrayed. All the hopes and dreams, slashed!

But on the professional level, I am disgusted. From my position as Professor of Business Administration, my take cannot be clearer: this is a huge mistake for shareholders with long term interests. Even for shareholders with medium term interest, this is dubious. Selling a player in massive demand before the chance for him to become an instant household name across the entire world, would need a massive raid to succeed against a rational shareholder with long term interest. But Let me tell you, 25 millions is not massive! At that price, the long term shareholder is a fool!

Then there are the wider ramifications. A player's value cannot be appraised without taking into account the effects of complementarity. Luke Shaw makes his team mates play better, and thereby makes them more valuable. If he is now gone, so is a large proportion of each of their value, even though they are still Saints. And that decline alone could easily exceed 25 million!

But there is more. There is, as has been stated before, the signal value of what has apparently occurred. If shareholders are not fools, then they must be maximizing over the short term. And given the quite extraordinary open statement of players warning against such an approach, this spells disaster! We could very soon, with high probability, witness destruction of value at massive scale, with players leaving at falling prices matching their falling spirits. Not to mention all the talent other places in the organization, as other companies go looking for the source of that strategic resource we have come to know as The Southampton Way. And these companies, by the way, will be those positive, intelligent clubs, making it harder for us to stay afloat as they use our resources against us...

For what it is worth, here is my view on the best decision for Southampton, and not unsurprisingly for me, it matches quite well the fans - those very long term individuals with the best interest of the club at heart:

Build! Build complementary value on the rising value we already have. That means keeping our best resources because they bring multiplicative value. Yes, costs will increase. But value will rise overall. And looking at risk, is it really more risky to keep prime assets? If we had the money back then and had kept Bale, Chamberlain, and Walcott, could we not have sold these players if need be, for much greater sums than the accumulated interest earned on their fees? The answer is, needless to say, yes.

To the Board: please be true to your word and keep the team together. We will never have a better chance to enter the elite than right now. It is in your duty to take it...
Well there is no need to be saddened, betrayed and disgusted. Until it appears on the official site it's just speculation.
I will feel saddened, betrayed and disgusted if it actually happens! To me it is suicidal for the club to let what has been built over the last 5 years be dismantled. I sincerely hope that behind the scenes moves are being made that will reassure everyone.However, the silence is deafening
It would be a crying shame should it happen, but it hasn't yet, and I am afraid we will have to be patient while negotiations are carried out, no news, is no news, good or bad.
[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: According to The Mirror Shaw has signed for Manchester United for 25 million! I hope so much this is untrue. I am actually saddened by this. On the personal level, I feel betrayed. All the hopes and dreams, slashed! But on the professional level, I am disgusted. From my position as Professor of Business Administration, my take cannot be clearer: this is a huge mistake for shareholders with long term interests. Even for shareholders with medium term interest, this is dubious. Selling a player in massive demand before the chance for him to become an instant household name across the entire world, would need a massive raid to succeed against a rational shareholder with long term interest. But Let me tell you, 25 millions is not massive! At that price, the long term shareholder is a fool! Then there are the wider ramifications. A player's value cannot be appraised without taking into account the effects of complementarity. Luke Shaw makes his team mates play better, and thereby makes them more valuable. If he is now gone, so is a large proportion of each of their value, even though they are still Saints. And that decline alone could easily exceed 25 million! But there is more. There is, as has been stated before, the signal value of what has apparently occurred. If shareholders are not fools, then they must be maximizing over the short term. And given the quite extraordinary open statement of players warning against such an approach, this spells disaster! We could very soon, with high probability, witness destruction of value at massive scale, with players leaving at falling prices matching their falling spirits. Not to mention all the talent other places in the organization, as other companies go looking for the source of that strategic resource we have come to know as The Southampton Way. And these companies, by the way, will be those positive, intelligent clubs, making it harder for us to stay afloat as they use our resources against us... For what it is worth, here is my view on the best decision for Southampton, and not unsurprisingly for me, it matches quite well the fans - those very long term individuals with the best interest of the club at heart: Build! Build complementary value on the rising value we already have. That means keeping our best resources because they bring multiplicative value. Yes, costs will increase. But value will rise overall. And looking at risk, is it really more risky to keep prime assets? If we had the money back then and had kept Bale, Chamberlain, and Walcott, could we not have sold these players if need be, for much greater sums than the accumulated interest earned on their fees? The answer is, needless to say, yes. To the Board: please be true to your word and keep the team together. We will never have a better chance to enter the elite than right now. It is in your duty to take it...[/p][/quote]Well there is no need to be saddened, betrayed and disgusted. Until it appears on the official site it's just speculation.[/p][/quote]I will feel saddened, betrayed and disgusted if it actually happens! To me it is suicidal for the club to let what has been built over the last 5 years be dismantled. I sincerely hope that behind the scenes moves are being made that will reassure everyone.However, the silence is deafening[/p][/quote]It would be a crying shame should it happen, but it hasn't yet, and I am afraid we will have to be patient while negotiations are carried out, no news, is no news, good or bad. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

10:12pm Tue 13 May 14

hedge end bob says...

PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
3 8 2 5 633.
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]3 8 2 5 633. hedge end bob
  • Score: 4

10:14pm Tue 13 May 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
BigBugBuzzz wrote:
According to The Mirror Shaw has signed for Manchester United for 25 million! I hope so much this is untrue. I am actually saddened by this. On the personal level, I feel betrayed. All the hopes and dreams, slashed!

But on the professional level, I am disgusted. From my position as Professor of Business Administration, my take cannot be clearer: this is a huge mistake for shareholders with long term interests. Even for shareholders with medium term interest, this is dubious. Selling a player in massive demand before the chance for him to become an instant household name across the entire world, would need a massive raid to succeed against a rational shareholder with long term interest. But Let me tell you, 25 millions is not massive! At that price, the long term shareholder is a fool!

Then there are the wider ramifications. A player's value cannot be appraised without taking into account the effects of complementarity. Luke Shaw makes his team mates play better, and thereby makes them more valuable. If he is now gone, so is a large proportion of each of their value, even though they are still Saints. And that decline alone could easily exceed 25 million!

But there is more. There is, as has been stated before, the signal value of what has apparently occurred. If shareholders are not fools, then they must be maximizing over the short term. And given the quite extraordinary open statement of players warning against such an approach, this spells disaster! We could very soon, with high probability, witness destruction of value at massive scale, with players leaving at falling prices matching their falling spirits. Not to mention all the talent other places in the organization, as other companies go looking for the source of that strategic resource we have come to know as The Southampton Way. And these companies, by the way, will be those positive, intelligent clubs, making it harder for us to stay afloat as they use our resources against us...

For what it is worth, here is my view on the best decision for Southampton, and not unsurprisingly for me, it matches quite well the fans - those very long term individuals with the best interest of the club at heart:

Build! Build complementary value on the rising value we already have. That means keeping our best resources because they bring multiplicative value. Yes, costs will increase. But value will rise overall. And looking at risk, is it really more risky to keep prime assets? If we had the money back then and had kept Bale, Chamberlain, and Walcott, could we not have sold these players if need be, for much greater sums than the accumulated interest earned on their fees? The answer is, needless to say, yes.

To the Board: please be true to your word and keep the team together. We will never have a better chance to enter the elite than right now. It is in your duty to take it...
Well there is no need to be saddened, betrayed and disgusted. Until it appears on the official site it's just speculation.
I will feel saddened, betrayed and disgusted if it actually happens! To me it is suicidal for the club to let what has been built over the last 5 years be dismantled. I sincerely hope that behind the scenes moves are being made that will reassure everyone.However, the silence is deafening
Given the fact that we are 48hrs into the window that both Club and manger stated that negotiations would begin, the silence is somewhat less than deafening to me.

Nevertheless, some good news by he weekend would be welcome.
[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: According to The Mirror Shaw has signed for Manchester United for 25 million! I hope so much this is untrue. I am actually saddened by this. On the personal level, I feel betrayed. All the hopes and dreams, slashed! But on the professional level, I am disgusted. From my position as Professor of Business Administration, my take cannot be clearer: this is a huge mistake for shareholders with long term interests. Even for shareholders with medium term interest, this is dubious. Selling a player in massive demand before the chance for him to become an instant household name across the entire world, would need a massive raid to succeed against a rational shareholder with long term interest. But Let me tell you, 25 millions is not massive! At that price, the long term shareholder is a fool! Then there are the wider ramifications. A player's value cannot be appraised without taking into account the effects of complementarity. Luke Shaw makes his team mates play better, and thereby makes them more valuable. If he is now gone, so is a large proportion of each of their value, even though they are still Saints. And that decline alone could easily exceed 25 million! But there is more. There is, as has been stated before, the signal value of what has apparently occurred. If shareholders are not fools, then they must be maximizing over the short term. And given the quite extraordinary open statement of players warning against such an approach, this spells disaster! We could very soon, with high probability, witness destruction of value at massive scale, with players leaving at falling prices matching their falling spirits. Not to mention all the talent other places in the organization, as other companies go looking for the source of that strategic resource we have come to know as The Southampton Way. And these companies, by the way, will be those positive, intelligent clubs, making it harder for us to stay afloat as they use our resources against us... For what it is worth, here is my view on the best decision for Southampton, and not unsurprisingly for me, it matches quite well the fans - those very long term individuals with the best interest of the club at heart: Build! Build complementary value on the rising value we already have. That means keeping our best resources because they bring multiplicative value. Yes, costs will increase. But value will rise overall. And looking at risk, is it really more risky to keep prime assets? If we had the money back then and had kept Bale, Chamberlain, and Walcott, could we not have sold these players if need be, for much greater sums than the accumulated interest earned on their fees? The answer is, needless to say, yes. To the Board: please be true to your word and keep the team together. We will never have a better chance to enter the elite than right now. It is in your duty to take it...[/p][/quote]Well there is no need to be saddened, betrayed and disgusted. Until it appears on the official site it's just speculation.[/p][/quote]I will feel saddened, betrayed and disgusted if it actually happens! To me it is suicidal for the club to let what has been built over the last 5 years be dismantled. I sincerely hope that behind the scenes moves are being made that will reassure everyone.However, the silence is deafening[/p][/quote]Given the fact that we are 48hrs into the window that both Club and manger stated that negotiations would begin, the silence is somewhat less than deafening to me. Nevertheless, some good news by he weekend would be welcome. Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 0

10:16pm Tue 13 May 14

SaintSteve76 says...

Spot on! It would be such a shame to let this one chance go. We probably won't be in this position again where we have a chance of push on and getting into the top 4 or 5. I'd be very disappointed if we sold even 1 key player. Sell 2 or more key and I'll be furious as that would mean no chance of a successful season next year and probably our best chance gone!
Spot on! It would be such a shame to let this one chance go. We probably won't be in this position again where we have a chance of push on and getting into the top 4 or 5. I'd be very disappointed if we sold even 1 key player. Sell 2 or more key and I'll be furious as that would mean no chance of a successful season next year and probably our best chance gone! SaintSteve76
  • Score: 0

10:21pm Tue 13 May 14

Clever Dick says...

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
BigBugBuzzz wrote:
According to The Mirror Shaw has signed for Manchester United for 25 million! I hope so much this is untrue. I am actually saddened by this. On the personal level, I feel betrayed. All the hopes and dreams, slashed!

But on the professional level, I am disgusted. From my position as Professor of Business Administration, my take cannot be clearer: this is a huge mistake for shareholders with long term interests. Even for shareholders with medium term interest, this is dubious. Selling a player in massive demand before the chance for him to become an instant household name across the entire world, would need a massive raid to succeed against a rational shareholder with long term interest. But Let me tell you, 25 millions is not massive! At that price, the long term shareholder is a fool!

Then there are the wider ramifications. A player's value cannot be appraised without taking into account the effects of complementarity. Luke Shaw makes his team mates play better, and thereby makes them more valuable. If he is now gone, so is a large proportion of each of their value, even though they are still Saints. And that decline alone could easily exceed 25 million!

But there is more. There is, as has been stated before, the signal value of what has apparently occurred. If shareholders are not fools, then they must be maximizing over the short term. And given the quite extraordinary open statement of players warning against such an approach, this spells disaster! We could very soon, with high probability, witness destruction of value at massive scale, with players leaving at falling prices matching their falling spirits. Not to mention all the talent other places in the organization, as other companies go looking for the source of that strategic resource we have come to know as The Southampton Way. And these companies, by the way, will be those positive, intelligent clubs, making it harder for us to stay afloat as they use our resources against us...

For what it is worth, here is my view on the best decision for Southampton, and not unsurprisingly for me, it matches quite well the fans - those very long term individuals with the best interest of the club at heart:

Build! Build complementary value on the rising value we already have. That means keeping our best resources because they bring multiplicative value. Yes, costs will increase. But value will rise overall. And looking at risk, is it really more risky to keep prime assets? If we had the money back then and had kept Bale, Chamberlain, and Walcott, could we not have sold these players if need be, for much greater sums than the accumulated interest earned on their fees? The answer is, needless to say, yes.

To the Board: please be true to your word and keep the team together. We will never have a better chance to enter the elite than right now. It is in your duty to take it...
Well there is no need to be saddened, betrayed and disgusted. Until it appears on the official site it's just speculation.
I will feel saddened, betrayed and disgusted if it actually happens! To me it is suicidal for the club to let what has been built over the last 5 years be dismantled. I sincerely hope that behind the scenes moves are being made that will reassure everyone.However, the silence is deafening
The silence was equally as deafening under NC. This site was full of doom mongers then and he never let us down. RK and Katharina also have done nothing to harm our prospects. We don't know what is going on behind the scenes. It's the way our club does it's business.
[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: According to The Mirror Shaw has signed for Manchester United for 25 million! I hope so much this is untrue. I am actually saddened by this. On the personal level, I feel betrayed. All the hopes and dreams, slashed! But on the professional level, I am disgusted. From my position as Professor of Business Administration, my take cannot be clearer: this is a huge mistake for shareholders with long term interests. Even for shareholders with medium term interest, this is dubious. Selling a player in massive demand before the chance for him to become an instant household name across the entire world, would need a massive raid to succeed against a rational shareholder with long term interest. But Let me tell you, 25 millions is not massive! At that price, the long term shareholder is a fool! Then there are the wider ramifications. A player's value cannot be appraised without taking into account the effects of complementarity. Luke Shaw makes his team mates play better, and thereby makes them more valuable. If he is now gone, so is a large proportion of each of their value, even though they are still Saints. And that decline alone could easily exceed 25 million! But there is more. There is, as has been stated before, the signal value of what has apparently occurred. If shareholders are not fools, then they must be maximizing over the short term. And given the quite extraordinary open statement of players warning against such an approach, this spells disaster! We could very soon, with high probability, witness destruction of value at massive scale, with players leaving at falling prices matching their falling spirits. Not to mention all the talent other places in the organization, as other companies go looking for the source of that strategic resource we have come to know as The Southampton Way. And these companies, by the way, will be those positive, intelligent clubs, making it harder for us to stay afloat as they use our resources against us... For what it is worth, here is my view on the best decision for Southampton, and not unsurprisingly for me, it matches quite well the fans - those very long term individuals with the best interest of the club at heart: Build! Build complementary value on the rising value we already have. That means keeping our best resources because they bring multiplicative value. Yes, costs will increase. But value will rise overall. And looking at risk, is it really more risky to keep prime assets? If we had the money back then and had kept Bale, Chamberlain, and Walcott, could we not have sold these players if need be, for much greater sums than the accumulated interest earned on their fees? The answer is, needless to say, yes. To the Board: please be true to your word and keep the team together. We will never have a better chance to enter the elite than right now. It is in your duty to take it...[/p][/quote]Well there is no need to be saddened, betrayed and disgusted. Until it appears on the official site it's just speculation.[/p][/quote]I will feel saddened, betrayed and disgusted if it actually happens! To me it is suicidal for the club to let what has been built over the last 5 years be dismantled. I sincerely hope that behind the scenes moves are being made that will reassure everyone.However, the silence is deafening[/p][/quote]The silence was equally as deafening under NC. This site was full of doom mongers then and he never let us down. RK and Katharina also have done nothing to harm our prospects. We don't know what is going on behind the scenes. It's the way our club does it's business. Clever Dick
  • Score: 3

10:24pm Tue 13 May 14

SaintSteve76 says...

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
BigBugBuzzz wrote:
According to The Mirror Shaw has signed for Manchester United for 25 million! I hope so much this is untrue. I am actually saddened by this. On the personal level, I feel betrayed. All the hopes and dreams, slashed!

But on the professional level, I am disgusted. From my position as Professor of Business Administration, my take cannot be clearer: this is a huge mistake for shareholders with long term interests. Even for shareholders with medium term interest, this is dubious. Selling a player in massive demand before the chance for him to become an instant household name across the entire world, would need a massive raid to succeed against a rational shareholder with long term interest. But Let me tell you, 25 millions is not massive! At that price, the long term shareholder is a fool!

Then there are the wider ramifications. A player's value cannot be appraised without taking into account the effects of complementarity. Luke Shaw makes his team mates play better, and thereby makes them more valuable. If he is now gone, so is a large proportion of each of their value, even though they are still Saints. And that decline alone could easily exceed 25 million!

But there is more. There is, as has been stated before, the signal value of what has apparently occurred. If shareholders are not fools, then they must be maximizing over the short term. And given the quite extraordinary open statement of players warning against such an approach, this spells disaster! We could very soon, with high probability, witness destruction of value at massive scale, with players leaving at falling prices matching their falling spirits. Not to mention all the talent other places in the organization, as other companies go looking for the source of that strategic resource we have come to know as The Southampton Way. And these companies, by the way, will be those positive, intelligent clubs, making it harder for us to stay afloat as they use our resources against us...

For what it is worth, here is my view on the best decision for Southampton, and not unsurprisingly for me, it matches quite well the fans - those very long term individuals with the best interest of the club at heart:

Build! Build complementary value on the rising value we already have. That means keeping our best resources because they bring multiplicative value. Yes, costs will increase. But value will rise overall. And looking at risk, is it really more risky to keep prime assets? If we had the money back then and had kept Bale, Chamberlain, and Walcott, could we not have sold these players if need be, for much greater sums than the accumulated interest earned on their fees? The answer is, needless to say, yes.

To the Board: please be true to your word and keep the team together. We will never have a better chance to enter the elite than right now. It is in your duty to take it...
Well there is no need to be saddened, betrayed and disgusted. Until it appears on the official site it's just speculation.
I will feel saddened, betrayed and disgusted if it actually happens! To me it is suicidal for the club to let what has been built over the last 5 years be dismantled. I sincerely hope that behind the scenes moves are being made that will reassure everyone.However, the silence is deafening
Spot on! It would be such a shame to let this one chance go. We probably won't be in this position again where we have a chance of push on and getting into the top 4 or 5. I'd be very disappointed if we sold even 1 key player. Sell 2 or more key and I'll be furious as that would mean no chance of a successful season next year and probably our best chance of a top 4 finish gone!
[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: According to The Mirror Shaw has signed for Manchester United for 25 million! I hope so much this is untrue. I am actually saddened by this. On the personal level, I feel betrayed. All the hopes and dreams, slashed! But on the professional level, I am disgusted. From my position as Professor of Business Administration, my take cannot be clearer: this is a huge mistake for shareholders with long term interests. Even for shareholders with medium term interest, this is dubious. Selling a player in massive demand before the chance for him to become an instant household name across the entire world, would need a massive raid to succeed against a rational shareholder with long term interest. But Let me tell you, 25 millions is not massive! At that price, the long term shareholder is a fool! Then there are the wider ramifications. A player's value cannot be appraised without taking into account the effects of complementarity. Luke Shaw makes his team mates play better, and thereby makes them more valuable. If he is now gone, so is a large proportion of each of their value, even though they are still Saints. And that decline alone could easily exceed 25 million! But there is more. There is, as has been stated before, the signal value of what has apparently occurred. If shareholders are not fools, then they must be maximizing over the short term. And given the quite extraordinary open statement of players warning against such an approach, this spells disaster! We could very soon, with high probability, witness destruction of value at massive scale, with players leaving at falling prices matching their falling spirits. Not to mention all the talent other places in the organization, as other companies go looking for the source of that strategic resource we have come to know as The Southampton Way. And these companies, by the way, will be those positive, intelligent clubs, making it harder for us to stay afloat as they use our resources against us... For what it is worth, here is my view on the best decision for Southampton, and not unsurprisingly for me, it matches quite well the fans - those very long term individuals with the best interest of the club at heart: Build! Build complementary value on the rising value we already have. That means keeping our best resources because they bring multiplicative value. Yes, costs will increase. But value will rise overall. And looking at risk, is it really more risky to keep prime assets? If we had the money back then and had kept Bale, Chamberlain, and Walcott, could we not have sold these players if need be, for much greater sums than the accumulated interest earned on their fees? The answer is, needless to say, yes. To the Board: please be true to your word and keep the team together. We will never have a better chance to enter the elite than right now. It is in your duty to take it...[/p][/quote]Well there is no need to be saddened, betrayed and disgusted. Until it appears on the official site it's just speculation.[/p][/quote]I will feel saddened, betrayed and disgusted if it actually happens! To me it is suicidal for the club to let what has been built over the last 5 years be dismantled. I sincerely hope that behind the scenes moves are being made that will reassure everyone.However, the silence is deafening[/p][/quote]Spot on! It would be such a shame to let this one chance go. We probably won't be in this position again where we have a chance of push on and getting into the top 4 or 5. I'd be very disappointed if we sold even 1 key player. Sell 2 or more key and I'll be furious as that would mean no chance of a successful season next year and probably our best chance of a top 4 finish gone! SaintSteve76
  • Score: 1

10:27pm Tue 13 May 14

rednwhite72 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
rednwhite72 wrote:
Stnana wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
There's not much that the club can say. It's as I have been saying all along, if the player wants out, he's gone. If we keep Luke and Adam, slim chance, I believe we'll Poch, Jay and Dejan as well. If Luke goes so early, Adam will follow and maybe Poch and Jay will go to Spurs hand in hand.

It startling that some fans believe in Les Reed like he's the Easter Bunny. We CAN reject bids, but a contract is worth very little if the player wants out. Les has about as much say in Luke's future as any of us. For posters to keep asking other posters if they are calling Uncle Les a liar is laughable. He surely wants to keep these players, which in reality counts for squat!!!

What happens with young Luke will determine the rest of the summer. If he goes it will cast doubt on how achievable our ambitions really are. Our players and MoPo will read a lot into this and they will take this into consideration when they make their decisions!
players contract is worth the same if a player wants to stay or go, it all depends on whether the club want to keep the player!

luke and lalla have 4 years of a contract that they were happy to sign left, the club don't need the money from selling them, so even if a player says he wants out he can be told NO, just like Liverpool, west brum and manure did last season.
people keep saying that theres little a club can do if a player wants out but turn that around and ask what can a player do? if they refuse to play they lose heir wages. so what can a player do? why do people think they hold all the power?
if contracts `aren't worth the paper they are written on` then why bother with contracts at all. turn players into freelance self employed contractors and let them pay all their tax NI etc. players then can control their own futures and move wherever they like. I think you will find that players wont like that idea though because at the moment when they sign a contract they are almost guaranteed all the money from that contract, its very hard to sack a professional footballers and they love the security a contract gives them. they cant have it both ways though, if they want security from having a contract then they shouldn't expect to be able to walk away from that contract at the drop of a hat!
clubs need to stand up to players if they want to keep them!
I second your ethical stance Cabbie that clubs need to stand up to players who are under contract, but it's not likely to happen. By your logic Luke being under contract for a further four years should mean he stays, we'll se who is proved right.

IF Luke were to stay it would demonstrate to Poch and Adam, Jay, Dejan and Morgan that probably our most coverted commodity believes in the club's potential. This would mean more than any statements issued by Uncle Les, it would be actions not words! The flip side is that if one goes, it could lead to another two or three asking to move on. As much as they love the club they'll see it as this club is only going to go so far, I want Champions Leagu football. What happens with Luke is MASSIVE for our club. Don't expect Luke to leave and Adam and Poch to stay. It WILL determine just how the summer pans out.
NO you don't get it do you!
by my logic Luke will stay for the length of his contract unless the club decides to sell, did you see the unless.
contracts are there for several reasons.
firstly it protects the players, it is very rare for a club to sack a player and it can only be done under certain circumstances. players are guaranteed the full wage in their contract. which is why we still have players on the books on good wages that the club don't want yet cant sell unless the player is happy to take a drop in wages.
secondly it protects the club. having luke on a 5 year deal means that no club can talk to him, even via agents, unless we agree. I know some think that agents do talk but it makes no difference because the clubs cant. players can only talk to other clubs without permission when they have half a year left on their deals
thirdly, longer contracts increase the players value. the fact that luke has 4 years left means any buying club would have to pay a lot of money, and that's because we don't want or have to sell.

I`m not saying that luke wont leave, although I don't think he will this summer, but he will only leave if saints agree and so far they have said that the players aren't for sale. a player wanting to leave shouldn't come into it, they cant take any action to force a move. clubs have given into players too easily in the past. as I said its time they took a stance, diverpool westbrum and manure have proven that they can.
I agree with everything you've said today and in the last few weeks. It's time for the board to stand firm against the players with long contracts, their agents, and other clubs wanting to lure them away. A firm NO is all that's needed.
I think your over-looking release clauses, if they have release clauses in their contracts, which I'm willing to bet they have, then that can allow players to talk to interested clubs or oblige the owner club to accept or open negotation. This is why they discuss contract terms, if it was the case that the club calls all the shots then there would be no need or little point in discussion.
Suarez had a release clause and Arsenal met it. Liverpool then decided he was worth more and refused to do the deal.
Thus breaking the contract, Suarez had every right to appeal and seek legal advice but he decided not to for whatever reason and subsequently signed a new deal with the club. I don't think Suarez ever submitted a written transfer request?, unlike Torres whom Liverpool also did not want to sell rejecting several offers but alias he went anyway, after having a written transfer request rejected? He was under a long term contract at the time.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rednwhite72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stnana[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: There's not much that the club can say. It's as I have been saying all along, if the player wants out, he's gone. If we keep Luke and Adam, slim chance, I believe we'll Poch, Jay and Dejan as well. If Luke goes so early, Adam will follow and maybe Poch and Jay will go to Spurs hand in hand. It startling that some fans believe in Les Reed like he's the Easter Bunny. We CAN reject bids, but a contract is worth very little if the player wants out. Les has about as much say in Luke's future as any of us. For posters to keep asking other posters if they are calling Uncle Les a liar is laughable. He surely wants to keep these players, which in reality counts for squat!!! What happens with young Luke will determine the rest of the summer. If he goes it will cast doubt on how achievable our ambitions really are. Our players and MoPo will read a lot into this and they will take this into consideration when they make their decisions![/p][/quote]players contract is worth the same if a player wants to stay or go, it all depends on whether the club want to keep the player! luke and lalla have 4 years of a contract that they were happy to sign left, the club don't need the money from selling them, so even if a player says he wants out he can be told NO, just like Liverpool, west brum and manure did last season. people keep saying that theres little a club can do if a player wants out but turn that around and ask what can a player do? if they refuse to play they lose heir wages. so what can a player do? why do people think they hold all the power? if contracts `aren't worth the paper they are written on` then why bother with contracts at all. turn players into freelance self employed contractors and let them pay all their tax NI etc. players then can control their own futures and move wherever they like. I think you will find that players wont like that idea though because at the moment when they sign a contract they are almost guaranteed all the money from that contract, its very hard to sack a professional footballers and they love the security a contract gives them. they cant have it both ways though, if they want security from having a contract then they shouldn't expect to be able to walk away from that contract at the drop of a hat! clubs need to stand up to players if they want to keep them![/p][/quote]I second your ethical stance Cabbie that clubs need to stand up to players who are under contract, but it's not likely to happen. By your logic Luke being under contract for a further four years should mean he stays, we'll se who is proved right. IF Luke were to stay it would demonstrate to Poch and Adam, Jay, Dejan and Morgan that probably our most coverted commodity believes in the club's potential. This would mean more than any statements issued by Uncle Les, it would be actions not words! The flip side is that if one goes, it could lead to another two or three asking to move on. As much as they love the club they'll see it as this club is only going to go so far, I want Champions Leagu football. What happens with Luke is MASSIVE for our club. Don't expect Luke to leave and Adam and Poch to stay. It WILL determine just how the summer pans out.[/p][/quote]NO you don't get it do you! by my logic Luke will stay for the length of his contract unless the club decides to sell, did you see the unless. contracts are there for several reasons. firstly it protects the players, it is very rare for a club to sack a player and it can only be done under certain circumstances. players are guaranteed the full wage in their contract. which is why we still have players on the books on good wages that the club don't want yet cant sell unless the player is happy to take a drop in wages. secondly it protects the club. having luke on a 5 year deal means that no club can talk to him, even via agents, unless we agree. I know some think that agents do talk but it makes no difference because the clubs cant. players can only talk to other clubs without permission when they have half a year left on their deals thirdly, longer contracts increase the players value. the fact that luke has 4 years left means any buying club would have to pay a lot of money, and that's because we don't want or have to sell. I`m not saying that luke wont leave, although I don't think he will this summer, but he will only leave if saints agree and so far they have said that the players aren't for sale. a player wanting to leave shouldn't come into it, they cant take any action to force a move. clubs have given into players too easily in the past. as I said its time they took a stance, diverpool westbrum and manure have proven that they can.[/p][/quote]I agree with everything you've said today and in the last few weeks. It's time for the board to stand firm against the players with long contracts, their agents, and other clubs wanting to lure them away. A firm NO is all that's needed.[/p][/quote]I think your over-looking release clauses, if they have release clauses in their contracts, which I'm willing to bet they have, then that can allow players to talk to interested clubs or oblige the owner club to accept or open negotation. This is why they discuss contract terms, if it was the case that the club calls all the shots then there would be no need or little point in discussion.[/p][/quote]Suarez had a release clause and Arsenal met it. Liverpool then decided he was worth more and refused to do the deal.[/p][/quote]Thus breaking the contract, Suarez had every right to appeal and seek legal advice but he decided not to for whatever reason and subsequently signed a new deal with the club. I don't think Suarez ever submitted a written transfer request?, unlike Torres whom Liverpool also did not want to sell rejecting several offers but alias he went anyway, after having a written transfer request rejected? He was under a long term contract at the time. rednwhite72
  • Score: 0

11:00pm Tue 13 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

rednwhite72 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
rednwhite72 wrote:
Stnana wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
There's not much that the club can say. It's as I have been saying all along, if the player wants out, he's gone. If we keep Luke and Adam, slim chance, I believe we'll Poch, Jay and Dejan as well. If Luke goes so early, Adam will follow and maybe Poch and Jay will go to Spurs hand in hand.

It startling that some fans believe in Les Reed like he's the Easter Bunny. We CAN reject bids, but a contract is worth very little if the player wants out. Les has about as much say in Luke's future as any of us. For posters to keep asking other posters if they are calling Uncle Les a liar is laughable. He surely wants to keep these players, which in reality counts for squat!!!

What happens with young Luke will determine the rest of the summer. If he goes it will cast doubt on how achievable our ambitions really are. Our players and MoPo will read a lot into this and they will take this into consideration when they make their decisions!
players contract is worth the same if a player wants to stay or go, it all depends on whether the club want to keep the player!

luke and lalla have 4 years of a contract that they were happy to sign left, the club don't need the money from selling them, so even if a player says he wants out he can be told NO, just like Liverpool, west brum and manure did last season.
people keep saying that theres little a club can do if a player wants out but turn that around and ask what can a player do? if they refuse to play they lose heir wages. so what can a player do? why do people think they hold all the power?
if contracts `aren't worth the paper they are written on` then why bother with contracts at all. turn players into freelance self employed contractors and let them pay all their tax NI etc. players then can control their own futures and move wherever they like. I think you will find that players wont like that idea though because at the moment when they sign a contract they are almost guaranteed all the money from that contract, its very hard to sack a professional footballers and they love the security a contract gives them. they cant have it both ways though, if they want security from having a contract then they shouldn't expect to be able to walk away from that contract at the drop of a hat!
clubs need to stand up to players if they want to keep them!
I second your ethical stance Cabbie that clubs need to stand up to players who are under contract, but it's not likely to happen. By your logic Luke being under contract for a further four years should mean he stays, we'll se who is proved right.

IF Luke were to stay it would demonstrate to Poch and Adam, Jay, Dejan and Morgan that probably our most coverted commodity believes in the club's potential. This would mean more than any statements issued by Uncle Les, it would be actions not words! The flip side is that if one goes, it could lead to another two or three asking to move on. As much as they love the club they'll see it as this club is only going to go so far, I want Champions Leagu football. What happens with Luke is MASSIVE for our club. Don't expect Luke to leave and Adam and Poch to stay. It WILL determine just how the summer pans out.
NO you don't get it do you!
by my logic Luke will stay for the length of his contract unless the club decides to sell, did you see the unless.
contracts are there for several reasons.
firstly it protects the players, it is very rare for a club to sack a player and it can only be done under certain circumstances. players are guaranteed the full wage in their contract. which is why we still have players on the books on good wages that the club don't want yet cant sell unless the player is happy to take a drop in wages.
secondly it protects the club. having luke on a 5 year deal means that no club can talk to him, even via agents, unless we agree. I know some think that agents do talk but it makes no difference because the clubs cant. players can only talk to other clubs without permission when they have half a year left on their deals
thirdly, longer contracts increase the players value. the fact that luke has 4 years left means any buying club would have to pay a lot of money, and that's because we don't want or have to sell.

I`m not saying that luke wont leave, although I don't think he will this summer, but he will only leave if saints agree and so far they have said that the players aren't for sale. a player wanting to leave shouldn't come into it, they cant take any action to force a move. clubs have given into players too easily in the past. as I said its time they took a stance, diverpool westbrum and manure have proven that they can.
I agree with everything you've said today and in the last few weeks. It's time for the board to stand firm against the players with long contracts, their agents, and other clubs wanting to lure them away. A firm NO is all that's needed.
I think your over-looking release clauses, if they have release clauses in their contracts, which I'm willing to bet they have, then that can allow players to talk to interested clubs or oblige the owner club to accept or open negotation. This is why they discuss contract terms, if it was the case that the club calls all the shots then there would be no need or little point in discussion.
Suarez had a release clause and Arsenal met it. Liverpool then decided he was worth more and refused to do the deal.
Thus breaking the contract, Suarez had every right to appeal and seek legal advice but he decided not to for whatever reason and subsequently signed a new deal with the club. I don't think Suarez ever submitted a written transfer request?, unlike Torres whom Liverpool also did not want to sell rejecting several offers but alias he went anyway, after having a written transfer request rejected? He was under a long term contract at the time.
shrek and odemwingie had written transfer requests turned down!
you could do this all day and all night picking out certain players each way, fact is clubs need to stand up to players and make them honour the contracts they were happy to sign!
[quote][p][bold]rednwhite72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rednwhite72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stnana[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: There's not much that the club can say. It's as I have been saying all along, if the player wants out, he's gone. If we keep Luke and Adam, slim chance, I believe we'll Poch, Jay and Dejan as well. If Luke goes so early, Adam will follow and maybe Poch and Jay will go to Spurs hand in hand. It startling that some fans believe in Les Reed like he's the Easter Bunny. We CAN reject bids, but a contract is worth very little if the player wants out. Les has about as much say in Luke's future as any of us. For posters to keep asking other posters if they are calling Uncle Les a liar is laughable. He surely wants to keep these players, which in reality counts for squat!!! What happens with young Luke will determine the rest of the summer. If he goes it will cast doubt on how achievable our ambitions really are. Our players and MoPo will read a lot into this and they will take this into consideration when they make their decisions![/p][/quote]players contract is worth the same if a player wants to stay or go, it all depends on whether the club want to keep the player! luke and lalla have 4 years of a contract that they were happy to sign left, the club don't need the money from selling them, so even if a player says he wants out he can be told NO, just like Liverpool, west brum and manure did last season. people keep saying that theres little a club can do if a player wants out but turn that around and ask what can a player do? if they refuse to play they lose heir wages. so what can a player do? why do people think they hold all the power? if contracts `aren't worth the paper they are written on` then why bother with contracts at all. turn players into freelance self employed contractors and let them pay all their tax NI etc. players then can control their own futures and move wherever they like. I think you will find that players wont like that idea though because at the moment when they sign a contract they are almost guaranteed all the money from that contract, its very hard to sack a professional footballers and they love the security a contract gives them. they cant have it both ways though, if they want security from having a contract then they shouldn't expect to be able to walk away from that contract at the drop of a hat! clubs need to stand up to players if they want to keep them![/p][/quote]I second your ethical stance Cabbie that clubs need to stand up to players who are under contract, but it's not likely to happen. By your logic Luke being under contract for a further four years should mean he stays, we'll se who is proved right. IF Luke were to stay it would demonstrate to Poch and Adam, Jay, Dejan and Morgan that probably our most coverted commodity believes in the club's potential. This would mean more than any statements issued by Uncle Les, it would be actions not words! The flip side is that if one goes, it could lead to another two or three asking to move on. As much as they love the club they'll see it as this club is only going to go so far, I want Champions Leagu football. What happens with Luke is MASSIVE for our club. Don't expect Luke to leave and Adam and Poch to stay. It WILL determine just how the summer pans out.[/p][/quote]NO you don't get it do you! by my logic Luke will stay for the length of his contract unless the club decides to sell, did you see the unless. contracts are there for several reasons. firstly it protects the players, it is very rare for a club to sack a player and it can only be done under certain circumstances. players are guaranteed the full wage in their contract. which is why we still have players on the books on good wages that the club don't want yet cant sell unless the player is happy to take a drop in wages. secondly it protects the club. having luke on a 5 year deal means that no club can talk to him, even via agents, unless we agree. I know some think that agents do talk but it makes no difference because the clubs cant. players can only talk to other clubs without permission when they have half a year left on their deals thirdly, longer contracts increase the players value. the fact that luke has 4 years left means any buying club would have to pay a lot of money, and that's because we don't want or have to sell. I`m not saying that luke wont leave, although I don't think he will this summer, but he will only leave if saints agree and so far they have said that the players aren't for sale. a player wanting to leave shouldn't come into it, they cant take any action to force a move. clubs have given into players too easily in the past. as I said its time they took a stance, diverpool westbrum and manure have proven that they can.[/p][/quote]I agree with everything you've said today and in the last few weeks. It's time for the board to stand firm against the players with long contracts, their agents, and other clubs wanting to lure them away. A firm NO is all that's needed.[/p][/quote]I think your over-looking release clauses, if they have release clauses in their contracts, which I'm willing to bet they have, then that can allow players to talk to interested clubs or oblige the owner club to accept or open negotation. This is why they discuss contract terms, if it was the case that the club calls all the shots then there would be no need or little point in discussion.[/p][/quote]Suarez had a release clause and Arsenal met it. Liverpool then decided he was worth more and refused to do the deal.[/p][/quote]Thus breaking the contract, Suarez had every right to appeal and seek legal advice but he decided not to for whatever reason and subsequently signed a new deal with the club. I don't think Suarez ever submitted a written transfer request?, unlike Torres whom Liverpool also did not want to sell rejecting several offers but alias he went anyway, after having a written transfer request rejected? He was under a long term contract at the time.[/p][/quote]shrek and odemwingie had written transfer requests turned down! you could do this all day and all night picking out certain players each way, fact is clubs need to stand up to players and make them honour the contracts they were happy to sign! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 4

11:57pm Tue 13 May 14

rednwhite72 says...

Listen, Im a Saints fan and I don't want either to go, my point is the contract is a two-way agreement. Saints have said that they do not want to sell either but trying to stop them if they really want to make a life decision to play in one of the considered elite is difficult, both have different sitations to the examples I gave, they have been nurtured here and are like part of the family but they may have ambitions to secure their future and realise their own personal dreams, as I said before I hate to think that they might want to leave but I can understand why. I'm hoping the board have good intentions for the future and want to push on further and continue to bring success to the club and I hope that we keep our manager and that the two boys decide that they may just realise their ambitions here at SFC, and that we can show that we are ambitious and stable enough to hold on to the talent that we create and the big bank busting clubs cannot just flex their financial muscle and poach our talent. I dream of bigger things for SFC and I hope that they come true, I won't believe any of the rumours until we have the official word, it would be a great thing to here what we want to here, so here's hoping!
Up the Saints!
Listen, Im a Saints fan and I don't want either to go, my point is the contract is a two-way agreement. Saints have said that they do not want to sell either but trying to stop them if they really want to make a life decision to play in one of the considered elite is difficult, both have different sitations to the examples I gave, they have been nurtured here and are like part of the family but they may have ambitions to secure their future and realise their own personal dreams, as I said before I hate to think that they might want to leave but I can understand why. I'm hoping the board have good intentions for the future and want to push on further and continue to bring success to the club and I hope that we keep our manager and that the two boys decide that they may just realise their ambitions here at SFC, and that we can show that we are ambitious and stable enough to hold on to the talent that we create and the big bank busting clubs cannot just flex their financial muscle and poach our talent. I dream of bigger things for SFC and I hope that they come true, I won't believe any of the rumours until we have the official word, it would be a great thing to here what we want to here, so here's hoping! Up the Saints! rednwhite72
  • Score: 3

12:47am Wed 14 May 14

ollysaint says...

Thank bejesus that idiot dictator has gone. He was responsible for two purchases, made completely on his own accord, Guly and Osvaldo. Goodness knows what he'd have on his shopping list in this window if he was still here.

For the pessimists out there, whether Katarina is or isn't selling up, she has put a structure in place to make the club run itself with no single person bigger than the club, unlike that last fool.

For the optimists out there, of course we're going to get clubs putting in offers for our players and manager. Saints are notorious for player development and being a platform to sell on what become some of the best players in the league.

Hopefully, with the new director structure, the new training ground et al ... this will allow us to stay in profit while growing new talent and investing into a European level over the next few years.

If we lose anyone, it'll be a shame as they are an all round fabulous team, however, nobody is bigger than the club.
Thank bejesus that idiot dictator has gone. He was responsible for two purchases, made completely on his own accord, Guly and Osvaldo. Goodness knows what he'd have on his shopping list in this window if he was still here. For the pessimists out there, whether Katarina is or isn't selling up, she has put a structure in place to make the club run itself with no single person bigger than the club, unlike that last fool. For the optimists out there, of course we're going to get clubs putting in offers for our players and manager. Saints are notorious for player development and being a platform to sell on what become some of the best players in the league. Hopefully, with the new director structure, the new training ground et al ... this will allow us to stay in profit while growing new talent and investing into a European level over the next few years. If we lose anyone, it'll be a shame as they are an all round fabulous team, however, nobody is bigger than the club. ollysaint
  • Score: 1

1:25am Wed 14 May 14

Rupert Lowe's Backside says...

Aussie_Saint wrote:
saint christopher wrote:
Unfortunately the increasing sense of panic felt by many fans has largely been created by the club itself, who should have been more proactive and open regarding their future plans and investment. Their silence has only encouraged the circling vultures and led to an increasingly unstable and unsettling situation.

All this needs sorting before the Wold Cup, yet at the same time it's surely madness to even talk about selling players who are about play on the world stage for he first time and whose value is likely to be significantly more once the WC has finished.

My gut reaction for what it's worth is that the club can probably persuade Potch to stay for the moment but that the serious investment required this summer will only happen if at least Shaw and/or Lallana are sold (at the right price). If it was only one the logical choice would be Shaw, whose loss I believe would be less significant and easier to rectify than Lallana's.

Unfortunately we're all mushrooms at the momet and the sooner we're given some light the better.
To be honest, I think the Club has been pretty open. Les Reed's statement was pretty unequivocal. I think it's purely the media jumping on the fact that MoPo hasn't had his contract extended yet, which was likely his decision as he will want guarantees as to transfer budget and the long term vision of the club (both of which he implied in his recent press conference).

I don't think we require as much money as you might think in order to push into the top 6, and maybe even top 4. A figure of, say, £25m from the Club (less than in previous years), plus the proceeds of Osvaldo's sale (shouldn't be less than £10m) should give us at least £35m to play with. Spent prudently, that should be ample to buy a back up keeper, a new striker and a first-choice CB. Those additions, coupled with the natural progression and maturing of our incredibly young squad will lead to a significant improvement in playing standards.

In saying all of that, I agree that if we HAD to sell one person, I would prefer it to be Shaw.
Some good points here Aussie!

The season is over, MoPo and the boys have done their bit, now its over to the administrators.

The media love this time of the year and speculation is rife, but we need to show faith in Reed and Krueger et al and allow them to have talks with agents and players and MoPo and determine the 'next strategic direction' for the club.

The culture we have built at our club, given our previous dire circumstances, is to be applauded and reinforced. It is the envy of teams! I think with some retention (Lallana, JRod, Shaw), prudent spending and the talent coming through we can consolidate next season and put some pressure on the top 6
[quote][p][bold]Aussie_Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately the increasing sense of panic felt by many fans has largely been created by the club itself, who should have been more proactive and open regarding their future plans and investment. Their silence has only encouraged the circling vultures and led to an increasingly unstable and unsettling situation. All this needs sorting before the Wold Cup, yet at the same time it's surely madness to even talk about selling players who are about play on the world stage for he first time and whose value is likely to be significantly more once the WC has finished. My gut reaction for what it's worth is that the club can probably persuade Potch to stay for the moment but that the serious investment required this summer will only happen if at least Shaw and/or Lallana are sold (at the right price). If it was only one the logical choice would be Shaw, whose loss I believe would be less significant and easier to rectify than Lallana's. Unfortunately we're all mushrooms at the momet and the sooner we're given some light the better.[/p][/quote]To be honest, I think the Club has been pretty open. Les Reed's statement was pretty unequivocal. I think it's purely the media jumping on the fact that MoPo hasn't had his contract extended yet, which was likely his decision as he will want guarantees as to transfer budget and the long term vision of the club (both of which he implied in his recent press conference). I don't think we require as much money as you might think in order to push into the top 6, and maybe even top 4. A figure of, say, £25m from the Club (less than in previous years), plus the proceeds of Osvaldo's sale (shouldn't be less than £10m) should give us at least £35m to play with. Spent prudently, that should be ample to buy a back up keeper, a new striker and a first-choice CB. Those additions, coupled with the natural progression and maturing of our incredibly young squad will lead to a significant improvement in playing standards. In saying all of that, I agree that if we HAD to sell one person, I would prefer it to be Shaw.[/p][/quote]Some good points here Aussie! The season is over, MoPo and the boys have done their bit, now its over to the administrators. The media love this time of the year and speculation is rife, but we need to show faith in Reed and Krueger et al and allow them to have talks with agents and players and MoPo and determine the 'next strategic direction' for the club. The culture we have built at our club, given our previous dire circumstances, is to be applauded and reinforced. It is the envy of teams! I think with some retention (Lallana, JRod, Shaw), prudent spending and the talent coming through we can consolidate next season and put some pressure on the top 6 Rupert Lowe's Backside
  • Score: 0

1:48am Wed 14 May 14

andoru says...

hedge end bob wrote:
PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
3 8 2 5 633.
Haha. I see my code is catching on. You can make it into a chant next season. :)
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]3 8 2 5 633.[/p][/quote]Haha. I see my code is catching on. You can make it into a chant next season. :) andoru
  • Score: 0

1:48am Wed 14 May 14

andoru says...

hedge end bob wrote:
PTID1898 wrote:
Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!!
3 8 2 5 633.
Haha. I see my code is catching on. You can make it into a chant next season. :)
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Bye bye Shaw and lallana and bye bye scum.......YOUR DONE !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]3 8 2 5 633.[/p][/quote]Haha. I see my code is catching on. You can make it into a chant next season. :) andoru
  • Score: 0

6:22am Wed 14 May 14

Blackknight says...

Sources on the web are reporting Southampton have placed a £30 million valuation on Liverpool target Adam Lallana.

If we have to sell, then £30 million is a far more realistic price, than tightwads Liverpool's miserly offer.
Sources on the web are reporting Southampton have placed a £30 million valuation on Liverpool target Adam Lallana. If we have to sell, then £30 million is a far more realistic price, than tightwads Liverpool's miserly offer. Blackknight
  • Score: 1

7:36am Wed 14 May 14

saintbobby says...

warrens 76 wrote:
THEREDS1892 wrote:
What is it with you saints fans! You have always been a selling club and will always will be get over it.As for a big club your dreaming! Even your local seaside town next to you Bournemouth are bigger! So get a grip. ...
Kent 141 welcome back, now pi55 off.
Warrens, great start to my Wednesday morning. Brilliant.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEREDS1892[/bold] wrote: What is it with you saints fans! You have always been a selling club and will always will be get over it.As for a big club your dreaming! Even your local seaside town next to you Bournemouth are bigger! So get a grip. ...[/p][/quote]Kent 141 welcome back, now pi55 off.[/p][/quote]Warrens, great start to my Wednesday morning. Brilliant. saintbobby
  • Score: 0

8:08am Wed 14 May 14

Clever Dick says...

rednwhite72 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
rednwhite72 wrote:
Stnana wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
There's not much that the club can say. It's as I have been saying all along, if the player wants out, he's gone. If we keep Luke and Adam, slim chance, I believe we'll Poch, Jay and Dejan as well. If Luke goes so early, Adam will follow and maybe Poch and Jay will go to Spurs hand in hand.

It startling that some fans believe in Les Reed like he's the Easter Bunny. We CAN reject bids, but a contract is worth very little if the player wants out. Les has about as much say in Luke's future as any of us. For posters to keep asking other posters if they are calling Uncle Les a liar is laughable. He surely wants to keep these players, which in reality counts for squat!!!

What happens with young Luke will determine the rest of the summer. If he goes it will cast doubt on how achievable our ambitions really are. Our players and MoPo will read a lot into this and they will take this into consideration when they make their decisions!
players contract is worth the same if a player wants to stay or go, it all depends on whether the club want to keep the player!

luke and lalla have 4 years of a contract that they were happy to sign left, the club don't need the money from selling them, so even if a player says he wants out he can be told NO, just like Liverpool, west brum and manure did last season.
people keep saying that theres little a club can do if a player wants out but turn that around and ask what can a player do? if they refuse to play they lose heir wages. so what can a player do? why do people think they hold all the power?
if contracts `aren't worth the paper they are written on` then why bother with contracts at all. turn players into freelance self employed contractors and let them pay all their tax NI etc. players then can control their own futures and move wherever they like. I think you will find that players wont like that idea though because at the moment when they sign a contract they are almost guaranteed all the money from that contract, its very hard to sack a professional footballers and they love the security a contract gives them. they cant have it both ways though, if they want security from having a contract then they shouldn't expect to be able to walk away from that contract at the drop of a hat!
clubs need to stand up to players if they want to keep them!
I second your ethical stance Cabbie that clubs need to stand up to players who are under contract, but it's not likely to happen. By your logic Luke being under contract for a further four years should mean he stays, we'll se who is proved right.

IF Luke were to stay it would demonstrate to Poch and Adam, Jay, Dejan and Morgan that probably our most coverted commodity believes in the club's potential. This would mean more than any statements issued by Uncle Les, it would be actions not words! The flip side is that if one goes, it could lead to another two or three asking to move on. As much as they love the club they'll see it as this club is only going to go so far, I want Champions Leagu football. What happens with Luke is MASSIVE for our club. Don't expect Luke to leave and Adam and Poch to stay. It WILL determine just how the summer pans out.
NO you don't get it do you!
by my logic Luke will stay for the length of his contract unless the club decides to sell, did you see the unless.
contracts are there for several reasons.
firstly it protects the players, it is very rare for a club to sack a player and it can only be done under certain circumstances. players are guaranteed the full wage in their contract. which is why we still have players on the books on good wages that the club don't want yet cant sell unless the player is happy to take a drop in wages.
secondly it protects the club. having luke on a 5 year deal means that no club can talk to him, even via agents, unless we agree. I know some think that agents do talk but it makes no difference because the clubs cant. players can only talk to other clubs without permission when they have half a year left on their deals
thirdly, longer contracts increase the players value. the fact that luke has 4 years left means any buying club would have to pay a lot of money, and that's because we don't want or have to sell.

I`m not saying that luke wont leave, although I don't think he will this summer, but he will only leave if saints agree and so far they have said that the players aren't for sale. a player wanting to leave shouldn't come into it, they cant take any action to force a move. clubs have given into players too easily in the past. as I said its time they took a stance, diverpool westbrum and manure have proven that they can.
I agree with everything you've said today and in the last few weeks. It's time for the board to stand firm against the players with long contracts, their agents, and other clubs wanting to lure them away. A firm NO is all that's needed.
I think your over-looking release clauses, if they have release clauses in their contracts, which I'm willing to bet they have, then that can allow players to talk to interested clubs or oblige the owner club to accept or open negotation. This is why they discuss contract terms, if it was the case that the club calls all the shots then there would be no need or little point in discussion.
Suarez had a release clause and Arsenal met it. Liverpool then decided he was worth more and refused to do the deal.
Thus breaking the contract, Suarez had every right to appeal and seek legal advice but he decided not to for whatever reason and subsequently signed a new deal with the club. I don't think Suarez ever submitted a written transfer request?, unlike Torres whom Liverpool also did not want to sell rejecting several offers but alias he went anyway, after having a written transfer request rejected? He was under a long term contract at the time.
And if he had appealed and taken it to court it would have been stretched out by the lawyers and they would have made sure no decision was reached until the window was closed. All of this only applies ,of course, if they do have these type of clauses built into their contracts. We don't know if they do or not.
[quote][p][bold]rednwhite72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rednwhite72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stnana[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: There's not much that the club can say. It's as I have been saying all along, if the player wants out, he's gone. If we keep Luke and Adam, slim chance, I believe we'll Poch, Jay and Dejan as well. If Luke goes so early, Adam will follow and maybe Poch and Jay will go to Spurs hand in hand. It startling that some fans believe in Les Reed like he's the Easter Bunny. We CAN reject bids, but a contract is worth very little if the player wants out. Les has about as much say in Luke's future as any of us. For posters to keep asking other posters if they are calling Uncle Les a liar is laughable. He surely wants to keep these players, which in reality counts for squat!!! What happens with young Luke will determine the rest of the summer. If he goes it will cast doubt on how achievable our ambitions really are. Our players and MoPo will read a lot into this and they will take this into consideration when they make their decisions![/p][/quote]players contract is worth the same if a player wants to stay or go, it all depends on whether the club want to keep the player! luke and lalla have 4 years of a contract that they were happy to sign left, the club don't need the money from selling them, so even if a player says he wants out he can be told NO, just like Liverpool, west brum and manure did last season. people keep saying that theres little a club can do if a player wants out but turn that around and ask what can a player do? if they refuse to play they lose heir wages. so what can a player do? why do people think they hold all the power? if contracts `aren't worth the paper they are written on` then why bother with contracts at all. turn players into freelance self employed contractors and let them pay all their tax NI etc. players then can control their own futures and move wherever they like. I think you will find that players wont like that idea though because at the moment when they sign a contract they are almost guaranteed all the money from that contract, its very hard to sack a professional footballers and they love the security a contract gives them. they cant have it both ways though, if they want security from having a contract then they shouldn't expect to be able to walk away from that contract at the drop of a hat! clubs need to stand up to players if they want to keep them![/p][/quote]I second your ethical stance Cabbie that clubs need to stand up to players who are under contract, but it's not likely to happen. By your logic Luke being under contract for a further four years should mean he stays, we'll se who is proved right. IF Luke were to stay it would demonstrate to Poch and Adam, Jay, Dejan and Morgan that probably our most coverted commodity believes in the club's potential. This would mean more than any statements issued by Uncle Les, it would be actions not words! The flip side is that if one goes, it could lead to another two or three asking to move on. As much as they love the club they'll see it as this club is only going to go so far, I want Champions Leagu football. What happens with Luke is MASSIVE for our club. Don't expect Luke to leave and Adam and Poch to stay. It WILL determine just how the summer pans out.[/p][/quote]NO you don't get it do you! by my logic Luke will stay for the length of his contract unless the club decides to sell, did you see the unless. contracts are there for several reasons. firstly it protects the players, it is very rare for a club to sack a player and it can only be done under certain circumstances. players are guaranteed the full wage in their contract. which is why we still have players on the books on good wages that the club don't want yet cant sell unless the player is happy to take a drop in wages. secondly it protects the club. having luke on a 5 year deal means that no club can talk to him, even via agents, unless we agree. I know some think that agents do talk but it makes no difference because the clubs cant. players can only talk to other clubs without permission when they have half a year left on their deals thirdly, longer contracts increase the players value. the fact that luke has 4 years left means any buying club would have to pay a lot of money, and that's because we don't want or have to sell. I`m not saying that luke wont leave, although I don't think he will this summer, but he will only leave if saints agree and so far they have said that the players aren't for sale. a player wanting to leave shouldn't come into it, they cant take any action to force a move. clubs have given into players too easily in the past. as I said its time they took a stance, diverpool westbrum and manure have proven that they can.[/p][/quote]I agree with everything you've said today and in the last few weeks. It's time for the board to stand firm against the players with long contracts, their agents, and other clubs wanting to lure them away. A firm NO is all that's needed.[/p][/quote]I think your over-looking release clauses, if they have release clauses in their contracts, which I'm willing to bet they have, then that can allow players to talk to interested clubs or oblige the owner club to accept or open negotation. This is why they discuss contract terms, if it was the case that the club calls all the shots then there would be no need or little point in discussion.[/p][/quote]Suarez had a release clause and Arsenal met it. Liverpool then decided he was worth more and refused to do the deal.[/p][/quote]Thus breaking the contract, Suarez had every right to appeal and seek legal advice but he decided not to for whatever reason and subsequently signed a new deal with the club. I don't think Suarez ever submitted a written transfer request?, unlike Torres whom Liverpool also did not want to sell rejecting several offers but alias he went anyway, after having a written transfer request rejected? He was under a long term contract at the time.[/p][/quote]And if he had appealed and taken it to court it would have been stretched out by the lawyers and they would have made sure no decision was reached until the window was closed. All of this only applies ,of course, if they do have these type of clauses built into their contracts. We don't know if they do or not. Clever Dick
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9:38am Wed 14 May 14

Saint Jinx says...

I thought that Roy Hodgson could have been a bit more discreet. He didn't have to start talking about medicals, etc.
It is almost as though he has been dragged into the whole circus and media frenzy.
This should have been about a couple of innocuous rumours, tucked away at the foot of a newspaper column, but Oh No, it has reached the point where the whole country is talking about it. And whose fault is that? The management and the players. They could have nipped it in the bud and they didn't.
I thought that Roy Hodgson could have been a bit more discreet. He didn't have to start talking about medicals, etc. It is almost as though he has been dragged into the whole circus and media frenzy. This should have been about a couple of innocuous rumours, tucked away at the foot of a newspaper column, but Oh No, it has reached the point where the whole country is talking about it. And whose fault is that? The management and the players. They could have nipped it in the bud and they didn't. Saint Jinx
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11:27am Wed 14 May 14

TGodSFC says...

Blackknight wrote:
Sources on the web are reporting Southampton have placed a £30 million valuation on Liverpool target Adam Lallana.

If we have to sell, then £30 million is a far more realistic price, than tightwads Liverpool's miserly offer.
I've heard we rejected Liverpools and manures opening bids. We put 37M on Adz and liverpool arent so interested anymore, but I've heard so many things, its hard to know whats true and whats not. I do know they are after William Carvalliho for round 30+M and they dont have too much in tranfer kitty (60-70M). Plus they sould really buy some defender so who knows??
[quote][p][bold]Blackknight[/bold] wrote: Sources on the web are reporting Southampton have placed a £30 million valuation on Liverpool target Adam Lallana. If we have to sell, then £30 million is a far more realistic price, than tightwads Liverpool's miserly offer.[/p][/quote]I've heard we rejected Liverpools and manures opening bids. We put 37M on Adz and liverpool arent so interested anymore, but I've heard so many things, its hard to know whats true and whats not. I do know they are after William Carvalliho for round 30+M and they dont have too much in tranfer kitty (60-70M). Plus they sould really buy some defender so who knows?? TGodSFC
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8:02pm Wed 14 May 14

Saint Jinx says...

Clever Dick wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
Adam. Instead of this lazy journalism and rehashing the same old rumours and negativity about SFC over and over again why don,t you and your fellow scribblers start assessing potential new players to join us in the summer. Hopefully you will have noticed our style of play and can figure who would fit in.

Enough of this transfer speculation unless you can get something definite from the players/ agents/ club...unlikely.
Yeah. Let's say 25 million for Adam, 30 million for Luke, 10 million for Osvaldo and 25 million transfer kitty. Bmuff get around 6 of the Lallana deal. That leaves 84 million. Pretty tasty. Now people are saying Spuds wasted the Gareth Bale money but hello......they finished above us in the league and they signed some very good players.. Given that foreign imports often take a while to settle in a new country , they could still be a force next season . So come on DE lets have some realistic and believable stories abut incoming players.
Yeah, plus the 84 million from TV, that should be enough if we spend wisely.

Perhaps we'll get someone like Benitez.The Spurs fans in the pub last night looked a bit crestfallen when I asked them what they had spent the Bale money on.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: Adam. Instead of this lazy journalism and rehashing the same old rumours and negativity about SFC over and over again why don,t you and your fellow scribblers start assessing potential new players to join us in the summer. Hopefully you will have noticed our style of play and can figure who would fit in. Enough of this transfer speculation unless you can get something definite from the players/ agents/ club...unlikely.[/p][/quote]Yeah. Let's say 25 million for Adam, 30 million for Luke, 10 million for Osvaldo and 25 million transfer kitty. Bmuff get around 6 of the Lallana deal. That leaves 84 million. Pretty tasty. Now people are saying Spuds wasted the Gareth Bale money but hello......they finished above us in the league and they signed some very good players.. Given that foreign imports often take a while to settle in a new country , they could still be a force next season . So come on DE lets have some realistic and believable stories abut incoming players.[/p][/quote]Yeah, plus the 84 million from TV, that should be enough if we spend wisely. Perhaps we'll get someone like Benitez.The Spurs fans in the pub last night looked a bit crestfallen when I asked them what they had spent the Bale money on. Saint Jinx
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2:24pm Mon 19 May 14

JohnItaly says...

This media feeding frenzy over our beloved club needs to be brought under control asap for everyone's peace of mind. It is very much in the Club's hands and I hope once the future of MoPo is settled the issue of who (if anyone) is leaving to pastures new will also be quickly resolved. The quicker it is settled the longer the manager (who ever it maybe) will have to implement the Club's plans for next season. Any potential transfers in will surely be difficult without a settled framework within the Club. Futhermore I am sure Roy Hodgson will not be best pleased if the futures of Lallana & Shaw are not settled before the WC gets underway as it could unsettle them both during the tournament as well as a knock on effect to Rickie Lambert.
This media feeding frenzy over our beloved club needs to be brought under control asap for everyone's peace of mind. It is very much in the Club's hands and I hope once the future of MoPo is settled the issue of who (if anyone) is leaving to pastures new will also be quickly resolved. The quicker it is settled the longer the manager (who ever it maybe) will have to implement the Club's plans for next season. Any potential transfers in will surely be difficult without a settled framework within the Club. Futhermore I am sure Roy Hodgson will not be best pleased if the futures of Lallana & Shaw are not settled before the WC gets underway as it could unsettle them both during the tournament as well as a knock on effect to Rickie Lambert. JohnItaly
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