Rumour Mill (May 22): Saints holding out for bigger Lallana fee

Rumour Mill (May 22): Saints holding out for bigger Lallana fee

ADAM LALLANA

LUKE SHAW

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The Daily Star is reporting that Saints and Liverpool are still some way off agreeing a fee for Adam Lallana.

“Saints want a structured deal worth £26m with add-ons, which would could rise to close to £30m,” it says.

“Liverpool have already tabled an offfer of about £20m for Lallana, 26, and the Merseysiders will not break the bank.

"Southampton want as much cash from the deal as they can because they have to hand a quarter of it over to Lallana’s former club Bournemouth.

“The Cherries are owed 25 per cent of any fee received for Lallana as part of a compensation package set by an FA tribunal when he joined the Saints as a youngster.”

Meanwhile, Luke Shaw is closer to a move to Manchester United, according to footballdirectnews.com, which is reporting that representatives of the Saints left-back have held positive talks with the Red Devils.

“It is understood that, after hearing new boss Louis van Gaal wants to announce him as a United player as soon as possible, talks have further gained progress.

“Shaw’s representatives met with United officials to further agree the move and discuss a second bid that both parties were sure would be accepted by the Saints.”

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10:12am Thu 22 May 14

Poole Tom says...

Yet more tosh.
Yet more tosh. Poole Tom
  • Score: 21

10:13am Thu 22 May 14

midlandsaint says...

Its beginning to sound like these deals are gonna happen unfortunately. If they do then I think Man U and Liverpool will both have got them for a steal of a price. Not happy.
Its beginning to sound like these deals are gonna happen unfortunately. If they do then I think Man U and Liverpool will both have got them for a steal of a price. Not happy. midlandsaint
  • Score: 13

10:23am Thu 22 May 14

squareapple says...

“Shaw’s representatives met with United officials to further agree the move and discuss a second bid that both parties were sure would be accepted by the Saints.”

Is that even allowed? Or are you just making up more news?
“Shaw’s representatives met with United officials to further agree the move and discuss a second bid that both parties were sure would be accepted by the Saints.” Is that even allowed? Or are you just making up more news? squareapple
  • Score: 22

10:25am Thu 22 May 14

andoru says...

Assuming Luke's Utd move is on, and it's feeling more likely all the time, I have to say I'm kind of disappointed in him. For all the talk about being happy at Saints, and being young and wanting to develop more, he's off (probably) the first chance he gets. After all, this is the first concrete bid that's been made for him by a big club. We know Chelsea made enquiries but not sure if there was an actual bid, and there has always been talk, but that's not the same as a real offer. This is the first test of Luke's loyalty to Southampton and it appears he's failing it. I guess every player really does have their price. Very sad. Whilst we need Lallana more than Luke, at least Adam has given good service to us for giving him the chance to be a professional footballer. He's earned the right to determine his own future. Luke's off far too early. I don't care about getting a good price for him, I want to see him in a Saints shirt playing football. If he wanted to play at a "big club" he should have chanced working his way through a big club's academy.
Assuming Luke's Utd move is on, and it's feeling more likely all the time, I have to say I'm kind of disappointed in him. For all the talk about being happy at Saints, and being young and wanting to develop more, he's off (probably) the first chance he gets. After all, this is the first concrete bid that's been made for him by a big club. We know Chelsea made enquiries but not sure if there was an actual bid, and there has always been talk, but that's not the same as a real offer. This is the first test of Luke's loyalty to Southampton and it appears he's failing it. I guess every player really does have their price. Very sad. Whilst we need Lallana more than Luke, at least Adam has given good service to us for giving him the chance to be a professional footballer. He's earned the right to determine his own future. Luke's off far too early. I don't care about getting a good price for him, I want to see him in a Saints shirt playing football. If he wanted to play at a "big club" he should have chanced working his way through a big club's academy. andoru
  • Score: 47

10:37am Thu 22 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

B0ll0CKS!!...sorry,b
ut against my better nature,I am now reduced to expletives.
B0ll0CKS!!...sorry,b ut against my better nature,I am now reduced to expletives. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 16

10:37am Thu 22 May 14

southamptonadi says...

squareapple wrote:
“Shaw’s representatives met with United officials to further agree the move and discuss a second bid that both parties were sure would be accepted by the Saints.”

Is that even allowed? Or are you just making up more news?
Surely it can't be, Man U are negotiating with a player who is contracted to another club before a bid has been accepted. I sent that tapping up a player
[quote][p][bold]squareapple[/bold] wrote: “Shaw’s representatives met with United officials to further agree the move and discuss a second bid that both parties were sure would be accepted by the Saints.” Is that even allowed? Or are you just making up more news?[/p][/quote]Surely it can't be, Man U are negotiating with a player who is contracted to another club before a bid has been accepted. I sent that tapping up a player southamptonadi
  • Score: 25

10:39am Thu 22 May 14

thornhill88 says...

Shaw will go . So will adam . So will mopo . And I reckon lovren will go ... when all these players go .. jay will also go once hes fit . One good season .. the first decent premier league season in over 10 years . Clubs like manu and liverpool are targeting saints players because they believe these players can help them win trophies. For mangement to once agian allow quality players to walk from saints shows lack of ambition as a club .. these players leave as they feel they will achieve nothing with the saints . Same old crap .. nothing changes .good players have no loyalty only money hungry .same teams continue to finish at the top . Saints will finish between 16th -11th next year ... over it same old crap
Shaw will go . So will adam . So will mopo . And I reckon lovren will go ... when all these players go .. jay will also go once hes fit . One good season .. the first decent premier league season in over 10 years . Clubs like manu and liverpool are targeting saints players because they believe these players can help them win trophies. For mangement to once agian allow quality players to walk from saints shows lack of ambition as a club .. these players leave as they feel they will achieve nothing with the saints . Same old crap .. nothing changes .good players have no loyalty only money hungry .same teams continue to finish at the top . Saints will finish between 16th -11th next year ... over it same old crap thornhill88
  • Score: 27

10:42am Thu 22 May 14

Clever Dick says...

Dear Liverpuddle. Our multi billionairess owner doesn't want to accept your paltry £20million bid for Adam. The price is £30million. Can't you afford it? Pay up or shut up. P.S. It's rumoured you want Dejan as well. You can't afford him either .
Dear Liverpuddle. Our multi billionairess owner doesn't want to accept your paltry £20million bid for Adam. The price is £30million. Can't you afford it? Pay up or shut up. P.S. It's rumoured you want Dejan as well. You can't afford him either . Clever Dick
  • Score: 25

10:47am Thu 22 May 14

andoru says...

thornhill88 wrote:
Shaw will go . So will adam . So will mopo . And I reckon lovren will go ... when all these players go .. jay will also go once hes fit . One good season .. the first decent premier league season in over 10 years . Clubs like manu and liverpool are targeting saints players because they believe these players can help them win trophies. For mangement to once agian allow quality players to walk from saints shows lack of ambition as a club .. these players leave as they feel they will achieve nothing with the saints . Same old crap .. nothing changes .good players have no loyalty only money hungry .same teams continue to finish at the top . Saints will finish between 16th -11th next year ... over it same old crap
For the past couple of weeks I've been contemplating not following football anymore. I'll still be a Saints fan, and check their results, maybe even watch a game or two (on TV as I live overseas), but if our squad gets dismantled by the big clubs I think I'm done with it. I stopped following the PL in my early teens because I was fed up with the dominance of Man Utd. Now there are a couple more teams able to compete, but only because of wealthy backers prepared to throw money around. It's still largely the same old names at the top of the table. I'm growing increasingly disillusioned all the time with the way the sport is run, the way the system is primed to keep big clubs big and small clubs small. I still love my Saints too much to give up on them, but the modern game stinks.
[quote][p][bold]thornhill88[/bold] wrote: Shaw will go . So will adam . So will mopo . And I reckon lovren will go ... when all these players go .. jay will also go once hes fit . One good season .. the first decent premier league season in over 10 years . Clubs like manu and liverpool are targeting saints players because they believe these players can help them win trophies. For mangement to once agian allow quality players to walk from saints shows lack of ambition as a club .. these players leave as they feel they will achieve nothing with the saints . Same old crap .. nothing changes .good players have no loyalty only money hungry .same teams continue to finish at the top . Saints will finish between 16th -11th next year ... over it same old crap[/p][/quote]For the past couple of weeks I've been contemplating not following football anymore. I'll still be a Saints fan, and check their results, maybe even watch a game or two (on TV as I live overseas), but if our squad gets dismantled by the big clubs I think I'm done with it. I stopped following the PL in my early teens because I was fed up with the dominance of Man Utd. Now there are a couple more teams able to compete, but only because of wealthy backers prepared to throw money around. It's still largely the same old names at the top of the table. I'm growing increasingly disillusioned all the time with the way the sport is run, the way the system is primed to keep big clubs big and small clubs small. I still love my Saints too much to give up on them, but the modern game stinks. andoru
  • Score: 103

10:56am Thu 22 May 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

I am getting very worried now. I fear our Board will accept the prices quoted. I fear they are fools!

Assuming every player has a price, I am interested in hearing what price will make YOU, as a Saints fan, indifferent between selling and keeping Shaw and Lallana. Here are my values:

Shaw: 50 million GBP
Lallana: 50 million GBP

Please feel free to add your values in a thread.

Unfortunately, every time a club sells the best players, they are trading in their fans' happiness for cash...
I am getting very worried now. I fear our Board will accept the prices quoted. I fear they are fools! Assuming every player has a price, I am interested in hearing what price will make YOU, as a Saints fan, indifferent between selling and keeping Shaw and Lallana. Here are my values: Shaw: 50 million GBP Lallana: 50 million GBP Please feel free to add your values in a thread. Unfortunately, every time a club sells the best players, they are trading in their fans' happiness for cash... BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 32

11:05am Thu 22 May 14

J7junctionseven says...

Season ticket renewals (by the 29th) won't be as much of a rush as last season with all this **** going on.
Season ticket renewals (by the 29th) won't be as much of a rush as last season with all this **** going on. J7junctionseven
  • Score: 3

11:07am Thu 22 May 14

J7junctionseven says...

Looks like there will only be one Saints player in the England squad when the world cup starts
Looks like there will only be one Saints player in the England squad when the world cup starts J7junctionseven
  • Score: -10

11:15am Thu 22 May 14

smuggins says...

Call me stupid but I thought that if a player is under contract he can not sign for another club until the transfer window opens on 1st July.If a transfer fee has not been agreed how can agents talk to other clubs.Also unless given permission by Saints this can not happen.The players are now involved in England's training camp and Roy has banned Agents from the camp. Also why would Saints want to agree a fee- assuming they want to sell until after the World Cup.Both players would be worth more if they perform well on the World stage other big Clubs will be interested in them. I think Shaw is better than Bale at that age and Saints would be wise to hang on to him for another season or two when he will be worth a lot more.Until Saints say otherwise it is all a load of rubbish.I can see why the Board are saying nothing because whatever they say will be twisted and fuel more speculation.
Call me stupid but I thought that if a player is under contract he can not sign for another club until the transfer window opens on 1st July.If a transfer fee has not been agreed how can agents talk to other clubs.Also unless given permission by Saints this can not happen.The players are now involved in England's training camp and Roy has banned Agents from the camp. Also why would Saints want to agree a fee- assuming they want to sell until after the World Cup.Both players would be worth more if they perform well on the World stage other big Clubs will be interested in them. I think Shaw is better than Bale at that age and Saints would be wise to hang on to him for another season or two when he will be worth a lot more.Until Saints say otherwise it is all a load of rubbish.I can see why the Board are saying nothing because whatever they say will be twisted and fuel more speculation. smuggins
  • Score: 28

11:16am Thu 22 May 14

Costa Baz says...

With the exception of Luke and Dejan, any of our best players, moving on to "bigger clubs" will be nothing more than squad players.

That would be disastrous for both Lallana and JRod, who have shown that they are better players, when they play regularly, week in, week out.
With the exception of Luke and Dejan, any of our best players, moving on to "bigger clubs" will be nothing more than squad players. That would be disastrous for both Lallana and JRod, who have shown that they are better players, when they play regularly, week in, week out. Costa Baz
  • Score: 27

11:18am Thu 22 May 14

Bassett Boy says...

Totally agree, looks like fans are being cajoled into renewing early and committing themselves to the +600 pound outlay before the club announces that the sh!t has indeed hit the fan.Was going to renew tomo, but will now put it off until the last possible moment.. Especially as, apparently, Rafel Benitez has been at Staplewood this morning!
Totally agree, looks like fans are being cajoled into renewing early and committing themselves to the +600 pound outlay before the club announces that the sh!t has indeed hit the fan.Was going to renew tomo, but will now put it off until the last possible moment.. Especially as, apparently, Rafel Benitez has been at Staplewood this morning! Bassett Boy
  • Score: 1

11:20am Thu 22 May 14

J7junctionseven says...

smuggins wrote:
Call me stupid but I thought that if a player is under contract he can not sign for another club until the transfer window opens on 1st July.If a transfer fee has not been agreed how can agents talk to other clubs.Also unless given permission by Saints this can not happen.The players are now involved in England's training camp and Roy has banned Agents from the camp. Also why would Saints want to agree a fee- assuming they want to sell until after the World Cup.Both players would be worth more if they perform well on the World stage other big Clubs will be interested in them. I think Shaw is better than Bale at that age and Saints would be wise to hang on to him for another season or two when he will be worth a lot more.Until Saints say otherwise it is all a load of rubbish.I can see why the Board are saying nothing because whatever they say will be twisted and fuel more speculation.
I hope you're correct.
[quote][p][bold]smuggins[/bold] wrote: Call me stupid but I thought that if a player is under contract he can not sign for another club until the transfer window opens on 1st July.If a transfer fee has not been agreed how can agents talk to other clubs.Also unless given permission by Saints this can not happen.The players are now involved in England's training camp and Roy has banned Agents from the camp. Also why would Saints want to agree a fee- assuming they want to sell until after the World Cup.Both players would be worth more if they perform well on the World stage other big Clubs will be interested in them. I think Shaw is better than Bale at that age and Saints would be wise to hang on to him for another season or two when he will be worth a lot more.Until Saints say otherwise it is all a load of rubbish.I can see why the Board are saying nothing because whatever they say will be twisted and fuel more speculation.[/p][/quote]I hope you're correct. J7junctionseven
  • Score: 1

11:25am Thu 22 May 14

thornhill88 says...

andoru wrote:
thornhill88 wrote:
Shaw will go . So will adam . So will mopo . And I reckon lovren will go ... when all these players go .. jay will also go once hes fit . One good season .. the first decent premier league season in over 10 years . Clubs like manu and liverpool are targeting saints players because they believe these players can help them win trophies. For mangement to once agian allow quality players to walk from saints shows lack of ambition as a club .. these players leave as they feel they will achieve nothing with the saints . Same old crap .. nothing changes .good players have no loyalty only money hungry .same teams continue to finish at the top . Saints will finish between 16th -11th next year ... over it same old crap
For the past couple of weeks I've been contemplating not following football anymore. I'll still be a Saints fan, and check their results, maybe even watch a game or two (on TV as I live overseas), but if our squad gets dismantled by the big clubs I think I'm done with it. I stopped following the PL in my early teens because I was fed up with the dominance of Man Utd. Now there are a couple more teams able to compete, but only because of wealthy backers prepared to throw money around. It's still largely the same old names at the top of the table. I'm growing increasingly disillusioned all the time with the way the sport is run, the way the system is primed to keep big clubs big and small clubs small. I still love my Saints too much to give up on them, but the modern game stinks.
Couldn't agree more I will always be a saints fan . Have been since I could walk lol .. but after all the ups and downs to me this is the final blow ... the countless fans with shaw and lallana on the back of there shirts .. let down agian.. my weekend revolves around when the saints are player but yer if they off load all there good players and mopo .. after all that crap about nobody is going anywere . Then 13/14 season will be my last season following the premier league . Id do the same still watch the odd match . Check saints results .. but the premier needs some huge changes
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thornhill88[/bold] wrote: Shaw will go . So will adam . So will mopo . And I reckon lovren will go ... when all these players go .. jay will also go once hes fit . One good season .. the first decent premier league season in over 10 years . Clubs like manu and liverpool are targeting saints players because they believe these players can help them win trophies. For mangement to once agian allow quality players to walk from saints shows lack of ambition as a club .. these players leave as they feel they will achieve nothing with the saints . Same old crap .. nothing changes .good players have no loyalty only money hungry .same teams continue to finish at the top . Saints will finish between 16th -11th next year ... over it same old crap[/p][/quote]For the past couple of weeks I've been contemplating not following football anymore. I'll still be a Saints fan, and check their results, maybe even watch a game or two (on TV as I live overseas), but if our squad gets dismantled by the big clubs I think I'm done with it. I stopped following the PL in my early teens because I was fed up with the dominance of Man Utd. Now there are a couple more teams able to compete, but only because of wealthy backers prepared to throw money around. It's still largely the same old names at the top of the table. I'm growing increasingly disillusioned all the time with the way the sport is run, the way the system is primed to keep big clubs big and small clubs small. I still love my Saints too much to give up on them, but the modern game stinks.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more I will always be a saints fan . Have been since I could walk lol .. but after all the ups and downs to me this is the final blow ... the countless fans with shaw and lallana on the back of there shirts .. let down agian.. my weekend revolves around when the saints are player but yer if they off load all there good players and mopo .. after all that crap about nobody is going anywere . Then 13/14 season will be my last season following the premier league . Id do the same still watch the odd match . Check saints results .. but the premier needs some huge changes thornhill88
  • Score: 15

11:28am Thu 22 May 14

Alicesdad says...

"The Daily Star is reporting that ....".

... says it all ...

Is George Chivers reading the Star ? Might as well be....

Do we really want more money because Bournemouth get a cut ? Of course not, we would want more money becuse he's WORTH more money. Dimwit !
"The Daily Star is reporting that ....". ... says it all ... Is George Chivers reading the Star ? Might as well be.... Do we really want more money because Bournemouth get a cut ? Of course not, we would want more money becuse he's WORTH more money. Dimwit ! Alicesdad
  • Score: 3

11:29am Thu 22 May 14

Puddletown Saint says...

I would be very surprised if Adam went to Liverpiddle, not only very loyal to Saints but actually an Everton fan as a lad!! £30M is a fair price. Just wish he will realise he will only play half the games at a ‘big club’.
But as said before he had earned his move if he wants.
Luke I am very disappointed with. Rejected as a youth by Chelski, you would think his advisors would tell him to stay and learn is trade at a club who nurtured him for at least a couple more years. £30M with add ons.
Dejan, well I cannot blame him. £15M.
Spider has also earned his move if he wants to go.
Back to France would be his best call for 20M.
Dani needs to go and back to Spain. Cut price £7.5M
I like to see Gaston give one more full season.
Might shine at the World Cup now Gnasher is out. Gone to Italy for £15M.
Nath will leg it to London as he is worried that he will not play.
Arsenal for £10M.
Jay Rod to follow MoPo to Spuds.
Sold for £15M and we get compensation for the manager of £2.5.
Victor follows the exodus to Milan for £10M and
Cork leaves for Everton for £3M.
And then Besiktas take Fonte to Turkey on a bumper contract for £2M.
A good window of £160M of sells.

Of course I am only joking and having a re hash of all the gossip tosh. Just proves that as Saints fans we have an incredibly talented squad and as long as all the players and management continue to buy into the project we will be fine. There is an agenda against Saints, as no sell at Everton, Spuds, Newcastle etc. Stand firm, keep calm and support the Saints.
I would be very surprised if Adam went to Liverpiddle, not only very loyal to Saints but actually an Everton fan as a lad!! £30M is a fair price. Just wish he will realise he will only play half the games at a ‘big club’. But as said before he had earned his move if he wants. Luke I am very disappointed with. Rejected as a youth by Chelski, you would think his advisors would tell him to stay and learn is trade at a club who nurtured him for at least a couple more years. £30M with add ons. Dejan, well I cannot blame him. £15M. Spider has also earned his move if he wants to go. Back to France would be his best call for 20M. Dani needs to go and back to Spain. Cut price £7.5M I like to see Gaston give one more full season. Might shine at the World Cup now Gnasher is out. Gone to Italy for £15M. Nath will leg it to London as he is worried that he will not play. Arsenal for £10M. Jay Rod to follow MoPo to Spuds. Sold for £15M and we get compensation for the manager of £2.5. Victor follows the exodus to Milan for £10M and Cork leaves for Everton for £3M. And then Besiktas take Fonte to Turkey on a bumper contract for £2M. A good window of £160M of sells. Of course I am only joking and having a re hash of all the gossip tosh. Just proves that as Saints fans we have an incredibly talented squad and as long as all the players and management continue to buy into the project we will be fine. There is an agenda against Saints, as no sell at Everton, Spuds, Newcastle etc. Stand firm, keep calm and support the Saints. Puddletown Saint
  • Score: 29

11:30am Thu 22 May 14

Alicesdad says...

Good to see they have got the date right though
Good to see they have got the date right though Alicesdad
  • Score: 1

11:33am Thu 22 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

wow breaking news from footballdirectnews.c
om, they must have loads of contacts.
that rumour was doing the rounds on twitter yesterday and one source had already claimed luke had signed for manure in late April, then claimed he was house hunting in Manchester whilst in Portugal then claimed he would be announced on Tuesday at 2pm in time for the NY stock exchange opening. their simply throwing out rumours in the hope that they might get one right.
I have no idea if we are going to sell anyone, and that's about as much as all of these rumour sites!
wow breaking news from footballdirectnews.c om, they must have loads of contacts. that rumour was doing the rounds on twitter yesterday and one source had already claimed luke had signed for manure in late April, then claimed he was house hunting in Manchester whilst in Portugal then claimed he would be announced on Tuesday at 2pm in time for the NY stock exchange opening. their simply throwing out rumours in the hope that they might get one right. I have no idea if we are going to sell anyone, and that's about as much as all of these rumour sites! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 6

11:39am Thu 22 May 14

slapheadphil says...

As uncomfortable as it is i think we need to hold our horses and wait to see what happens. Having said that like all saints fan i would be extremely disappointed if we lose the nucleus of our team, players like Adam and Luke are almost impossible to replace.
As uncomfortable as it is i think we need to hold our horses and wait to see what happens. Having said that like all saints fan i would be extremely disappointed if we lose the nucleus of our team, players like Adam and Luke are almost impossible to replace. slapheadphil
  • Score: 6

11:43am Thu 22 May 14

Shareholder says...

It's all very simple. All the players being linked by the papers with moves are under long contracts with the Saints. So the club simply has to say to any potential buyer, 'Not for sale'. It then gives Pochettino the money to buy the sort of players he thinks we need to compete for a Champions League spot within two seasons. Then it goes back to the players and let's them know they have the same chance to win big honours as any of the so called big clubs. That is basically what Cortese was saying, that's the vision that was sold to the fans, that's what got the current squad to either stay or sign for the club. Of course the club has to be run as a sensible business but achieve again and the money that comes in will cover the outlay. It's all quite simple. Let's hope then that's what's happening and that the next club announcement will be a new signing - one of the players Pochettino said three weeks ago had already been identified.
It's all very simple. All the players being linked by the papers with moves are under long contracts with the Saints. So the club simply has to say to any potential buyer, 'Not for sale'. It then gives Pochettino the money to buy the sort of players he thinks we need to compete for a Champions League spot within two seasons. Then it goes back to the players and let's them know they have the same chance to win big honours as any of the so called big clubs. That is basically what Cortese was saying, that's the vision that was sold to the fans, that's what got the current squad to either stay or sign for the club. Of course the club has to be run as a sensible business but achieve again and the money that comes in will cover the outlay. It's all quite simple. Let's hope then that's what's happening and that the next club announcement will be a new signing - one of the players Pochettino said three weeks ago had already been identified. Shareholder
  • Score: 13

11:51am Thu 22 May 14

TGodSFC says...

What’s wrong with you lot!! So negative!! This has come from the Daily Star !! Have a word! Jesus.
I agree that Luke may go but Trust me Adz wont, Lovern Wont and Jrod wont. Liverpool don’t have a massive amount of money to spend and are in for so many players, they won’t offer any more than 20M and we won’t accept that otherwise it would have happened already. Luke is replaceable and 30M would be stupid to turn down. Lovern is happy and has said so, we paid 8M so wont sell for 8 and no one is gonna buy and player that’s not due back till Christmas, doesn’t happy. Chill out people, its headed Rumour Mill for a reason.
What’s wrong with you lot!! So negative!! This has come from the Daily Star !! Have a word! Jesus. I agree that Luke may go but Trust me Adz wont, Lovern Wont and Jrod wont. Liverpool don’t have a massive amount of money to spend and are in for so many players, they won’t offer any more than 20M and we won’t accept that otherwise it would have happened already. Luke is replaceable and 30M would be stupid to turn down. Lovern is happy and has said so, we paid 8M so wont sell for 8 and no one is gonna buy and player that’s not due back till Christmas, doesn’t happy. Chill out people, its headed Rumour Mill for a reason. TGodSFC
  • Score: 15

12:00pm Thu 22 May 14

Confucious says...

Bit of a worry this because the Daily Star has a firm reputation for incisive and accurate reporting. Indeed I have not used the Isle of Wight ferry ever since the Star revealed the frightening presence of the 800 ft long "Solent Monster".
Bit of a worry this because the Daily Star has a firm reputation for incisive and accurate reporting. Indeed I have not used the Isle of Wight ferry ever since the Star revealed the frightening presence of the 800 ft long "Solent Monster". Confucious
  • Score: 9

12:04pm Thu 22 May 14

Andover Saint says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
I am getting very worried now. I fear our Board will accept the prices quoted. I fear they are fools! Assuming every player has a price, I am interested in hearing what price will make YOU, as a Saints fan, indifferent between selling and keeping Shaw and Lallana. Here are my values: Shaw: 50 million GBP Lallana: 50 million GBP Please feel free to add your values in a thread. Unfortunately, every time a club sells the best players, they are trading in their fans' happiness for cash...
100mil for shaw....he has bags of potential, so young, look at Bale how much he has improved over the last few seasons, i can see shaw at the same level. 40 for lallana he is at his peak
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: I am getting very worried now. I fear our Board will accept the prices quoted. I fear they are fools! Assuming every player has a price, I am interested in hearing what price will make YOU, as a Saints fan, indifferent between selling and keeping Shaw and Lallana. Here are my values: Shaw: 50 million GBP Lallana: 50 million GBP Please feel free to add your values in a thread. Unfortunately, every time a club sells the best players, they are trading in their fans' happiness for cash...[/p][/quote]100mil for shaw....he has bags of potential, so young, look at Bale how much he has improved over the last few seasons, i can see shaw at the same level. 40 for lallana he is at his peak Andover Saint
  • Score: 4

12:23pm Thu 22 May 14

Blackknight says...

Manure paid £27.5 million for Marouane Fellaini, so tightwads Liverpool need to cough up at least £30 million for Adam.

Looks like our best players (Shaw, Lallana, Lovren) and manager may be off to pastures new, so show some passion and ambition Mr. Ralph Krueger and Mr. Les Reed tell Manure, Tottingham and Liverpool to go forth and multiply, get MoPo signed up then splash the cash on some quality players.

Onward and upward, not mid-table mediocrity.

COYR.
Manure paid £27.5 million for Marouane Fellaini, so tightwads Liverpool need to cough up at least £30 million for Adam. Looks like our best players (Shaw, Lallana, Lovren) and manager may be off to pastures new, so show some passion and ambition Mr. Ralph Krueger and Mr. Les Reed tell Manure, Tottingham and Liverpool to go forth and multiply, get MoPo signed up then splash the cash on some quality players. Onward and upward, not mid-table mediocrity. COYR. Blackknight
  • Score: 4

12:30pm Thu 22 May 14

SaintJD says...

OK, so we don't know if Les Reed will be successful in his negotiations with the manager and players, but I do not believe that he, and Katherina, are stupid enough to lie to the fans.

On numerous occasions I have heard them say that no player would be sold without the agreement of the manager.

Now, unless you think they are barefaced enough to say 'oh, well, the manager said he was leaving so we did what we wanted and sold them before appointing someone else to make the decision' I do not believe that they will allow those players to be sold or their transfers agreed.

That, frankly, would be betraying the fans, which is not a great way to introduce yourself. I can't believe they'd risk that, but if they do, I hope they realise what's going to happen.

If Luke goes I don't think that tells us anything, because I think Mo Po would potentially sanction that one for team building.

Adam? With a huge chunk going to the Cherries? If he goes I honestly don't think that would be with the manager's blessing.
OK, so we don't know if Les Reed will be successful in his negotiations with the manager and players, but I do not believe that he, and Katherina, are stupid enough to lie to the fans. On numerous occasions I have heard them say that no player would be sold without the agreement of the manager. Now, unless you think they are barefaced enough to say 'oh, well, the manager said he was leaving so we did what we wanted and sold them before appointing someone else to make the decision' I do not believe that they will allow those players to be sold or their transfers agreed. That, frankly, would be betraying the fans, which is not a great way to introduce yourself. I can't believe they'd risk that, but if they do, I hope they realise what's going to happen. If Luke goes I don't think that tells us anything, because I think Mo Po would potentially sanction that one for team building. Adam? With a huge chunk going to the Cherries? If he goes I honestly don't think that would be with the manager's blessing. SaintJD
  • Score: 11

12:35pm Thu 22 May 14

saintbobby says...

Les Reed, what was that statement a few weeks ago. What are we to believe in the future, I wonder?

OK not yet official but an awful lot of us have been worried and suspicious about what was going on. So, for me, if true a big let down, because I believed what we were told. How innocent I am - perhaps.
Les Reed, what was that statement a few weeks ago. What are we to believe in the future, I wonder? OK not yet official but an awful lot of us have been worried and suspicious about what was going on. So, for me, if true a big let down, because I believed what we were told. How innocent I am - perhaps. saintbobby
  • Score: 3

12:39pm Thu 22 May 14

SaintJD says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
I am getting very worried now. I fear our Board will accept the prices quoted. I fear they are fools!

Assuming every player has a price, I am interested in hearing what price will make YOU, as a Saints fan, indifferent between selling and keeping Shaw and Lallana. Here are my values:

Shaw: 50 million GBP
Lallana: 50 million GBP

Please feel free to add your values in a thread.

Unfortunately, every time a club sells the best players, they are trading in their fans' happiness for cash...
Luke? Realistically, £30-£35 million. That's a record for a defender and I think that's a good price for a position we could fill for a low price or even with someone on our books already.

Adam - priceless in my opinion both as a player and the message it sends out, especially with the money that would go to Bournemouth.
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: I am getting very worried now. I fear our Board will accept the prices quoted. I fear they are fools! Assuming every player has a price, I am interested in hearing what price will make YOU, as a Saints fan, indifferent between selling and keeping Shaw and Lallana. Here are my values: Shaw: 50 million GBP Lallana: 50 million GBP Please feel free to add your values in a thread. Unfortunately, every time a club sells the best players, they are trading in their fans' happiness for cash...[/p][/quote]Luke? Realistically, £30-£35 million. That's a record for a defender and I think that's a good price for a position we could fill for a low price or even with someone on our books already. Adam - priceless in my opinion both as a player and the message it sends out, especially with the money that would go to Bournemouth. SaintJD
  • Score: 9

1:00pm Thu 22 May 14

Santa65 says...

Amazing how all this "news" (i.e. speculation) around Saints continues and yet NONE of the finger-on-the-pulse newspapers and broadcasters knew a thing about Neil Lennon leaving Celtic until he announced it himself. It just goes to show how little the football journalists really know about anyone's intentions.
Amazing how all this "news" (i.e. speculation) around Saints continues and yet NONE of the finger-on-the-pulse newspapers and broadcasters knew a thing about Neil Lennon leaving Celtic until he announced it himself. It just goes to show how little the football journalists really know about anyone's intentions. Santa65
  • Score: 12

1:33pm Thu 22 May 14

Poole Tom says...

Realistically we will probably lose some players who we would all much rather keep. However if that is indeed what is going to happen then we are very much in the driving seat in terms of what we can ask for the players in question, because unlike in the past we do not need to sell. If our demands are considered excessive/ridiculous then we simply don`t sell.
If it is going to be Luke and Adam then in my opinion we should insist on a minimum of £40 million for Luke, plus a sell on clause entitling us to 50% of any profit because let`s face it barring a serious injury he is only going to get a lot better with experience. Adam is at his peak right now so in his case a sell on clause is probably not warranted. However in my view he is definitely better than Fellani but perhaps not quite as good as Mata. I would therefore value him at about £35 million. If we then refuse to sell any of our other sought after players and invest the £75 million that we have raised from the sales of those two plus perhaps another £15 million from the sales of Osvaldo and possibly Ramirez then just maybe we will have as good or possibly an even better team next season than we had this season. The increased TV money that we have received this season could then be used to pay off some of our existing debts so that come this time next year we are in an evening stronger financial position than we are now, which is also very important both in terms of the long term future of the club and FFP rules.
Realistically we will probably lose some players who we would all much rather keep. However if that is indeed what is going to happen then we are very much in the driving seat in terms of what we can ask for the players in question, because unlike in the past we do not need to sell. If our demands are considered excessive/ridiculous then we simply don`t sell. If it is going to be Luke and Adam then in my opinion we should insist on a minimum of £40 million for Luke, plus a sell on clause entitling us to 50% of any profit because let`s face it barring a serious injury he is only going to get a lot better with experience. Adam is at his peak right now so in his case a sell on clause is probably not warranted. However in my view he is definitely better than Fellani but perhaps not quite as good as Mata. I would therefore value him at about £35 million. If we then refuse to sell any of our other sought after players and invest the £75 million that we have raised from the sales of those two plus perhaps another £15 million from the sales of Osvaldo and possibly Ramirez then just maybe we will have as good or possibly an even better team next season than we had this season. The increased TV money that we have received this season could then be used to pay off some of our existing debts so that come this time next year we are in an evening stronger financial position than we are now, which is also very important both in terms of the long term future of the club and FFP rules. Poole Tom
  • Score: 1

1:34pm Thu 22 May 14

Bassett Boy says...

As I posted earlier, Benitez was seen being 'smuggled' into Staplewood this morning.
A few possible scenarios spring to mind:
a) He's a possible replacement for MoPo if he is leaving.
b) He's moving 'upstairs' at Napoli & is looking for a replacement for himself
c) Popped in to advise his mate MoPo against joining Spurs or
d) He was in the area and nipped in for a chat and a cuppa!
Might as wll add another rumour whilst all these others are being bandied about!
As I posted earlier, Benitez was seen being 'smuggled' into Staplewood this morning. A few possible scenarios spring to mind: a) He's a possible replacement for MoPo if he is leaving. b) He's moving 'upstairs' at Napoli & is looking for a replacement for himself c) Popped in to advise his mate MoPo against joining Spurs or d) He was in the area and nipped in for a chat and a cuppa! Might as wll add another rumour whilst all these others are being bandied about! Bassett Boy
  • Score: 6

1:37pm Thu 22 May 14

Totally Oblivious says...

I'm really p-----d off with all this uncertainty about our players, much like the rest of you. It means a lot to me that Saints' players at the World Cup remain just that, Saints players bringing more acclaim and publicity to OUR CLUB, not the usual established big spenders like Manure and Goons.
Simple really. All the players are on long term contracts. The club are surely financially stable and secure and don't need to sell any of them (unless the new board lack Cortese's ambition and wish to cash in). Saints will surely not get closer to reaching the very top, sell the crown jewels now and we will probably become average and slide down the table. Players like Lallana (and managers like MoPo) are almost irreplaceable, not sure Lallana is replaceable today.
I agree with previous poster that he and Shaw shouldn't go for less than £50m each. Surely all players and MoPo can be held to their contracts for another season, at least, and see what success can be achieved by that time? Way too hasty to break this squad up- surely the board have the bottle to stand firm? I really hope so!
I'm really p-----d off with all this uncertainty about our players, much like the rest of you. It means a lot to me that Saints' players at the World Cup remain just that, Saints players bringing more acclaim and publicity to OUR CLUB, not the usual established big spenders like Manure and Goons. Simple really. All the players are on long term contracts. The club are surely financially stable and secure and don't need to sell any of them (unless the new board lack Cortese's ambition and wish to cash in). Saints will surely not get closer to reaching the very top, sell the crown jewels now and we will probably become average and slide down the table. Players like Lallana (and managers like MoPo) are almost irreplaceable, not sure Lallana is replaceable today. I agree with previous poster that he and Shaw shouldn't go for less than £50m each. Surely all players and MoPo can be held to their contracts for another season, at least, and see what success can be achieved by that time? Way too hasty to break this squad up- surely the board have the bottle to stand firm? I really hope so! Totally Oblivious
  • Score: 4

1:44pm Thu 22 May 14

Outside of the Box says...

Forget Shaw, Lallana, Lovren and J-Rod when he's fit and MoPo,,,,,,all I want to know is has the tea lady signed for Man City yet, I heard she wants the chance to brew up in the Champions League season, although the fee of 50,000 P G tips and 2 pound of sugar was a bit below what I expected, I think the Board need to allow her dream despite being a 3 year contract.
Forget Shaw, Lallana, Lovren and J-Rod when he's fit and MoPo,,,,,,all I want to know is has the tea lady signed for Man City yet, I heard she wants the chance to brew up in the Champions League season, although the fee of 50,000 P G tips and 2 pound of sugar was a bit below what I expected, I think the Board need to allow her dream despite being a 3 year contract. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 8

2:05pm Thu 22 May 14

TGodSFC says...

Bassett Boy wrote:
As I posted earlier, Benitez was seen being 'smuggled' into Staplewood this morning.
A few possible scenarios spring to mind:
a) He's a possible replacement for MoPo if he is leaving.
b) He's moving 'upstairs' at Napoli & is looking for a replacement for himself
c) Popped in to advise his mate MoPo against joining Spurs or
d) He was in the area and nipped in for a chat and a cuppa!
Might as wll add another rumour whilst all these others are being bandied about!
Where did you hear this??
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Boy[/bold] wrote: As I posted earlier, Benitez was seen being 'smuggled' into Staplewood this morning. A few possible scenarios spring to mind: a) He's a possible replacement for MoPo if he is leaving. b) He's moving 'upstairs' at Napoli & is looking for a replacement for himself c) Popped in to advise his mate MoPo against joining Spurs or d) He was in the area and nipped in for a chat and a cuppa! Might as wll add another rumour whilst all these others are being bandied about![/p][/quote]Where did you hear this?? TGodSFC
  • Score: 2

2:18pm Thu 22 May 14

GHamilton says...

andoru wrote:
Assuming Luke's Utd move is on, and it's feeling more likely all the time, I have to say I'm kind of disappointed in him. For all the talk about being happy at Saints, and being young and wanting to develop more, he's off (probably) the first chance he gets. After all, this is the first concrete bid that's been made for him by a big club. We know Chelsea made enquiries but not sure if there was an actual bid, and there has always been talk, but that's not the same as a real offer. This is the first test of Luke's loyalty to Southampton and it appears he's failing it. I guess every player really does have their price. Very sad. Whilst we need Lallana more than Luke, at least Adam has given good service to us for giving him the chance to be a professional footballer. He's earned the right to determine his own future. Luke's off far too early. I don't care about getting a good price for him, I want to see him in a Saints shirt playing football. If he wanted to play at a "big club" he should have chanced working his way through a big club's academy.
He's gone andoru....he's gone mate. The harsh reality is, he is an eighteen year old with big ambitions; same ambtions as Theo Walcot and Alex-Oxlade Chamberlain. Talk is cheap...you dont judge a person by what they say you judge them by what they do. I ve been a Saints fan since i was nine years old, watched my first game at the old dell in 1966; loyalty was everywhere in those days, players stayed at clubs for years....those days are gone. I''m almost at the stage where I'd like to see the academy shut down; this is the club that puts in all the time and effort bringing on new English talent.....only then to watch it walk out the door....to the very clubs we 'll be competing against. I would agree with you about Adam though, he stayed with us all through our darkest hours and helped put us back to where we are now; if he goes.... we should all wish him well.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: Assuming Luke's Utd move is on, and it's feeling more likely all the time, I have to say I'm kind of disappointed in him. For all the talk about being happy at Saints, and being young and wanting to develop more, he's off (probably) the first chance he gets. After all, this is the first concrete bid that's been made for him by a big club. We know Chelsea made enquiries but not sure if there was an actual bid, and there has always been talk, but that's not the same as a real offer. This is the first test of Luke's loyalty to Southampton and it appears he's failing it. I guess every player really does have their price. Very sad. Whilst we need Lallana more than Luke, at least Adam has given good service to us for giving him the chance to be a professional footballer. He's earned the right to determine his own future. Luke's off far too early. I don't care about getting a good price for him, I want to see him in a Saints shirt playing football. If he wanted to play at a "big club" he should have chanced working his way through a big club's academy.[/p][/quote]He's gone andoru....he's gone mate. The harsh reality is, he is an eighteen year old with big ambitions; same ambtions as Theo Walcot and Alex-Oxlade Chamberlain. Talk is cheap...you dont judge a person by what they say you judge them by what they do. I ve been a Saints fan since i was nine years old, watched my first game at the old dell in 1966; loyalty was everywhere in those days, players stayed at clubs for years....those days are gone. I''m almost at the stage where I'd like to see the academy shut down; this is the club that puts in all the time and effort bringing on new English talent.....only then to watch it walk out the door....to the very clubs we 'll be competing against. I would agree with you about Adam though, he stayed with us all through our darkest hours and helped put us back to where we are now; if he goes.... we should all wish him well. GHamilton
  • Score: 4

2:25pm Thu 22 May 14

Invidia says...

Looking around the gossip news it appears that the media frenzy trying to disseminate the Saints team is cooling, the media are now making excuses "Liverpool will not be held to ransom over AL" and LS 95% done deal has a last minute scare and although MoPo is Spurs preferred option they are interviewing other options which all just goes to show that all the media hype was just that, fuelled originally by the Daily Mail. Until some concrete news is announced the Status Quo remains.
Looking around the gossip news it appears that the media frenzy trying to disseminate the Saints team is cooling, the media are now making excuses "Liverpool will not be held to ransom over AL" and LS 95% done deal has a last minute scare and although MoPo is Spurs preferred option they are interviewing other options which all just goes to show that all the media hype was just that, fuelled originally by the Daily Mail. Until some concrete news is announced the Status Quo remains. Invidia
  • Score: 8

2:36pm Thu 22 May 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

It is TIME that we made a stand and stop feeding the Top 6 Clubs - otherwise we will never be part of that elite group.

Moyes could not help himself and made a disaster of his tenure at Manure - he would have been better off staying at Everton. He could have said NO.

It does not make sense to sell a Player - give one quarter to Bore-Mouth and then have to source another expensive Player who will not be as good in Luke Shaws case.

There is no better player than Ads than providing chances for other Players to score goals.

We need to put MP on a deal - state our 5 year Ambition of no limits and winning the Premier League Crown and adding a Top Scoring Cutting edge Striker with another Keeper and CB and sort the Dani situation.
It is TIME that we made a stand and stop feeding the Top 6 Clubs - otherwise we will never be part of that elite group. Moyes could not help himself and made a disaster of his tenure at Manure - he would have been better off staying at Everton. He could have said NO. It does not make sense to sell a Player - give one quarter to Bore-Mouth and then have to source another expensive Player who will not be as good in Luke Shaws case. There is no better player than Ads than providing chances for other Players to score goals. We need to put MP on a deal - state our 5 year Ambition of no limits and winning the Premier League Crown and adding a Top Scoring Cutting edge Striker with another Keeper and CB and sort the Dani situation. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 0

2:36pm Thu 22 May 14

Rising_Son says...

Another rumour: "Joan Verdu has activated his relegation release clause from Real Betis which leaves him free to link up with Mauricio Pochettino, with the Argentine tracking the player since he first joined Southampton."

At the same time it seems we're interested in Neil Lennon. Are we toying with the idea of having two managers at the same? It could lead to significantly less uncertainty if rumours start up again.
Another rumour: "Joan Verdu has activated his relegation release clause from Real Betis which leaves him free to link up with Mauricio Pochettino, with the Argentine tracking the player since he first joined Southampton." At the same time it seems we're interested in Neil Lennon. Are we toying with the idea of having two managers at the same? It could lead to significantly less uncertainty if rumours start up again. Rising_Son
  • Score: 2

2:40pm Thu 22 May 14

Rising_Son says...

GHamilton wrote:
andoru wrote:
Assuming Luke's Utd move is on, and it's feeling more likely all the time, I have to say I'm kind of disappointed in him. For all the talk about being happy at Saints, and being young and wanting to develop more, he's off (probably) the first chance he gets. After all, this is the first concrete bid that's been made for him by a big club. We know Chelsea made enquiries but not sure if there was an actual bid, and there has always been talk, but that's not the same as a real offer. This is the first test of Luke's loyalty to Southampton and it appears he's failing it. I guess every player really does have their price. Very sad. Whilst we need Lallana more than Luke, at least Adam has given good service to us for giving him the chance to be a professional footballer. He's earned the right to determine his own future. Luke's off far too early. I don't care about getting a good price for him, I want to see him in a Saints shirt playing football. If he wanted to play at a "big club" he should have chanced working his way through a big club's academy.
He's gone andoru....he's gone mate. The harsh reality is, he is an eighteen year old with big ambitions; same ambtions as Theo Walcot and Alex-Oxlade Chamberlain. Talk is cheap...you dont judge a person by what they say you judge them by what they do. I ve been a Saints fan since i was nine years old, watched my first game at the old dell in 1966; loyalty was everywhere in those days, players stayed at clubs for years....those days are gone. I''m almost at the stage where I'd like to see the academy shut down; this is the club that puts in all the time and effort bringing on new English talent.....only then to watch it walk out the door....to the very clubs we 'll be competing against. I would agree with you about Adam though, he stayed with us all through our darkest hours and helped put us back to where we are now; if he goes.... we should all wish him well.
Players were loyal in the 60s because they had no choice. If a team didn't want them to go, even when their contract had finished, there was almost nothing they could do about it. It was the Bosman ruling in the 70s that changed that.
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: Assuming Luke's Utd move is on, and it's feeling more likely all the time, I have to say I'm kind of disappointed in him. For all the talk about being happy at Saints, and being young and wanting to develop more, he's off (probably) the first chance he gets. After all, this is the first concrete bid that's been made for him by a big club. We know Chelsea made enquiries but not sure if there was an actual bid, and there has always been talk, but that's not the same as a real offer. This is the first test of Luke's loyalty to Southampton and it appears he's failing it. I guess every player really does have their price. Very sad. Whilst we need Lallana more than Luke, at least Adam has given good service to us for giving him the chance to be a professional footballer. He's earned the right to determine his own future. Luke's off far too early. I don't care about getting a good price for him, I want to see him in a Saints shirt playing football. If he wanted to play at a "big club" he should have chanced working his way through a big club's academy.[/p][/quote]He's gone andoru....he's gone mate. The harsh reality is, he is an eighteen year old with big ambitions; same ambtions as Theo Walcot and Alex-Oxlade Chamberlain. Talk is cheap...you dont judge a person by what they say you judge them by what they do. I ve been a Saints fan since i was nine years old, watched my first game at the old dell in 1966; loyalty was everywhere in those days, players stayed at clubs for years....those days are gone. I''m almost at the stage where I'd like to see the academy shut down; this is the club that puts in all the time and effort bringing on new English talent.....only then to watch it walk out the door....to the very clubs we 'll be competing against. I would agree with you about Adam though, he stayed with us all through our darkest hours and helped put us back to where we are now; if he goes.... we should all wish him well.[/p][/quote]Players were loyal in the 60s because they had no choice. If a team didn't want them to go, even when their contract had finished, there was almost nothing they could do about it. It was the Bosman ruling in the 70s that changed that. Rising_Son
  • Score: -1

2:45pm Thu 22 May 14

george chivers says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
smuggins wrote:
Call me stupid but I thought that if a player is under contract he can not sign for another club until the transfer window opens on 1st July.If a transfer fee has not been agreed how can agents talk to other clubs.Also unless given permission by Saints this can not happen.The players are now involved in England's training camp and Roy has banned Agents from the camp. Also why would Saints want to agree a fee- assuming they want to sell until after the World Cup.Both players would be worth more if they perform well on the World stage other big Clubs will be interested in them. I think Shaw is better than Bale at that age and Saints would be wise to hang on to him for another season or two when he will be worth a lot more.Until Saints say otherwise it is all a load of rubbish.I can see why the Board are saying nothing because whatever they say will be twisted and fuel more speculation.
I hope you're correct.
On the PL web site it says the summer transfer window opens immediately after the last game of the season has been played and closes on the 31/8/2014 or a date near that date to work in line with weekends/bank holidays etc.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smuggins[/bold] wrote: Call me stupid but I thought that if a player is under contract he can not sign for another club until the transfer window opens on 1st July.If a transfer fee has not been agreed how can agents talk to other clubs.Also unless given permission by Saints this can not happen.The players are now involved in England's training camp and Roy has banned Agents from the camp. Also why would Saints want to agree a fee- assuming they want to sell until after the World Cup.Both players would be worth more if they perform well on the World stage other big Clubs will be interested in them. I think Shaw is better than Bale at that age and Saints would be wise to hang on to him for another season or two when he will be worth a lot more.Until Saints say otherwise it is all a load of rubbish.I can see why the Board are saying nothing because whatever they say will be twisted and fuel more speculation.[/p][/quote]I hope you're correct.[/p][/quote]On the PL web site it says the summer transfer window opens immediately after the last game of the season has been played and closes on the 31/8/2014 or a date near that date to work in line with weekends/bank holidays etc. george chivers
  • Score: 1

2:48pm Thu 22 May 14

ozzysaint says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
smuggins wrote:
Call me stupid but I thought that if a player is under contract he can not sign for another club until the transfer window opens on 1st July.If a transfer fee has not been agreed how can agents talk to other clubs.Also unless given permission by Saints this can not happen.The players are now involved in England's training camp and Roy has banned Agents from the camp. Also why would Saints want to agree a fee- assuming they want to sell until after the World Cup.Both players would be worth more if they perform well on the World stage other big Clubs will be interested in them. I think Shaw is better than Bale at that age and Saints would be wise to hang on to him for another season or two when he will be worth a lot more.Until Saints say otherwise it is all a load of rubbish.I can see why the Board are saying nothing because whatever they say will be twisted and fuel more speculation.
I hope you're correct.
Correct. these players are under contract they just cant leave when they want to.
The only guy who can walk is MP with the clause in his contract. Les Reed has publicly said were not selling an that's it. we would be committing suicide if we sold all these players its just not going to happen. you don't go pumping millions into a club then sell off everything you've built up over the last 5 years.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smuggins[/bold] wrote: Call me stupid but I thought that if a player is under contract he can not sign for another club until the transfer window opens on 1st July.If a transfer fee has not been agreed how can agents talk to other clubs.Also unless given permission by Saints this can not happen.The players are now involved in England's training camp and Roy has banned Agents from the camp. Also why would Saints want to agree a fee- assuming they want to sell until after the World Cup.Both players would be worth more if they perform well on the World stage other big Clubs will be interested in them. I think Shaw is better than Bale at that age and Saints would be wise to hang on to him for another season or two when he will be worth a lot more.Until Saints say otherwise it is all a load of rubbish.I can see why the Board are saying nothing because whatever they say will be twisted and fuel more speculation.[/p][/quote]I hope you're correct.[/p][/quote]Correct. these players are under contract they just cant leave when they want to. The only guy who can walk is MP with the clause in his contract. Les Reed has publicly said were not selling an that's it. we would be committing suicide if we sold all these players its just not going to happen. you don't go pumping millions into a club then sell off everything you've built up over the last 5 years. ozzysaint
  • Score: 0

3:43pm Thu 22 May 14

angus mc coatup says...

If I was the Saints chairman, and was trying to get the fans on my side, I would agree terms and conditions with the manager. But hold off, him signing the contract until the most opportune moment. then I would leak all sorts of rumours to the more gullible jornos out there, about the manager and all the key players wanting out. then, when that opportune moment arrived
( season tickets for sale say ) I would announce that the manager and all those key players had decided to stay. And... hey presto.....I'm an instant hero, master mind and Saints saviour, and the players are instantly turned into " legends " plus all that worldly publicity... and all for nothing, Zilch, free.
But then again I ain't the Saints chairman am I.
If I was the Saints chairman, and was trying to get the fans on my side, I would agree terms and conditions with the manager. But hold off, him signing the contract until the most opportune moment. then I would leak all sorts of rumours to the more gullible jornos out there, about the manager and all the key players wanting out. then, when that opportune moment arrived ( season tickets for sale say ) I would announce that the manager and all those key players had decided to stay. And... hey presto.....I'm an instant hero, master mind and Saints saviour, and the players are instantly turned into " legends " plus all that worldly publicity... and all for nothing, Zilch, free. But then again I ain't the Saints chairman am I. angus mc coatup
  • Score: 5

4:05pm Thu 22 May 14

TGodSFC says...

Linked with Scott Sinclair again. #dailytelegraph
Linked with Scott Sinclair again. #dailytelegraph TGodSFC
  • Score: -2

4:05pm Thu 22 May 14

hedge end bob says...

All you DRAMA QUEENS out there......CALM DOWN and wait for this afternoon's press meeting due to start at 6.00 A M TODAY.

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All you DRAMA QUEENS out there......CALM DOWN and wait for this afternoon's press meeting due to start at 6.00 A M TODAY. IN GOAL B RUMOUR LB O RUMOUR CB L RUMOUR CB L RUMOUR RB I RUMOUR LM C RUMOUR CM K RUMOUR CM S RUMOUR RM G RUMOUR ST E RUMOUR ST T RUMOUR. A L I F E STID. hedge end bob
  • Score: 1

4:12pm Thu 22 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

why on earth is it `being realistic` by saying we will lose our players?
you could also say its `being realistic` by saying the players wont go.
even if the players go we wont `lose` them, they will be sold for a huge sums
no players are `gone` already and as far as we know the club haven't received any bids, there has been no official statements from any of the clubs involved.
just because the club are keeping quiet it doesn't mean that they aren't working on new contracts etc for the players and MP.
until there is any news on transfers or contracts either way theres no point worrying about anything.
why are fans `giving up` on our players and club?
no one knows what luke or lalla are thinking, apart from lalla who said his emotional speech at Saints' presentation evening did not indicate "this is the end by any means" and that he is happy at saints.
luke hasn't said anything so why do people think they know whats going on in his mind, `he is a young lad with big ambitions`, `he wont refuse the chance to triple his money`, `theres no loyalty in football`. luke might be very loyal to the club that gave him his chance.
other players have said they aren't going to push for a move so why do you think lalla and luke will?
a lot of what is coming from the red tops starts as rumours on websites like footballdirectnews.c
om, most, if not all the writers on those sites are sports writers looking for work, watch `pete Vs life` to see what they are like. other rumours come from twitter with names like @official agent and EPL transfer news, who have just tweeted that spuds have contacted MP again in the last 2 hours! reading through their tweets you will see that they are saying different things about our players all the time. one said that luke was in Manchester house hunting on Monday, he was in Portugal ffs. these rumours get picked up by small websites then bigger and then the national media pick them up and print them as fact without checking.
believe what you like, but please don't believe all the rumours that are constantly rehashed by the media.
why on earth is it `being realistic` by saying we will lose our players? you could also say its `being realistic` by saying the players wont go. even if the players go we wont `lose` them, they will be sold for a huge sums no players are `gone` already and as far as we know the club haven't received any bids, there has been no official statements from any of the clubs involved. just because the club are keeping quiet it doesn't mean that they aren't working on new contracts etc for the players and MP. until there is any news on transfers or contracts either way theres no point worrying about anything. why are fans `giving up` on our players and club? no one knows what luke or lalla are thinking, apart from lalla who said his emotional speech at Saints' presentation evening did not indicate "this is the end by any means" and that he is happy at saints. luke hasn't said anything so why do people think they know whats going on in his mind, `he is a young lad with big ambitions`, `he wont refuse the chance to triple his money`, `theres no loyalty in football`. luke might be very loyal to the club that gave him his chance. other players have said they aren't going to push for a move so why do you think lalla and luke will? a lot of what is coming from the red tops starts as rumours on websites like footballdirectnews.c om, most, if not all the writers on those sites are sports writers looking for work, watch `pete Vs life` to see what they are like. other rumours come from twitter with names like @official agent and EPL transfer news, who have just tweeted that spuds have contacted MP again in the last 2 hours! reading through their tweets you will see that they are saying different things about our players all the time. one said that luke was in Manchester house hunting on Monday, he was in Portugal ffs. these rumours get picked up by small websites then bigger and then the national media pick them up and print them as fact without checking. believe what you like, but please don't believe all the rumours that are constantly rehashed by the media. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 4

4:30pm Thu 22 May 14

NC Fan4Life says...

It is simple, Adam has a contract with Saints, we want to keep him, we don't to sell or do we need the money. Therefore we keep him for at least another season to see how we progress, but everyone has their price and £22m is far to cheap.
Adam is English, an international and is a creative goal scorer proven in the Premiership. Playing for a club in the Champions league makes that position worth at least £7m per season. Adam is 26yrs and can play at the top until he is at least 32.
Therefore his value is 6 seasons @ £7m = £42m. So tell Liverpool they will need to double their bid.
It is simple, Adam has a contract with Saints, we want to keep him, we don't to sell or do we need the money. Therefore we keep him for at least another season to see how we progress, but everyone has their price and £22m is far to cheap. Adam is English, an international and is a creative goal scorer proven in the Premiership. Playing for a club in the Champions league makes that position worth at least £7m per season. Adam is 26yrs and can play at the top until he is at least 32. Therefore his value is 6 seasons @ £7m = £42m. So tell Liverpool they will need to double their bid. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 4

5:31pm Thu 22 May 14

Stnana says...

Has anyone else seen @gossipsfc tweet about two hours ago ? Straight from the horses mouth LOL !
Has anyone else seen @gossipsfc tweet about two hours ago ? Straight from the horses mouth LOL ! Stnana
  • Score: 1

5:37pm Thu 22 May 14

Poole Tom says...

I think it is realistic to think that we will lose some players who we would prefer to keep because that is what has happened ever since we sold Southampton born Martin Chivers to Spurs in 1968. That`s not to say it is what any of us want. I know I certainly don`t. However unless KL is prepared to dig very deep and match the wages that our best players could now earn elsewhere I think it is inevitable that it will happen. As to who will go, where they will go, and for how much I really don`t know and I don`t think any of us will until after the World Cup. That is why the stuff we are currently reading on a daily basis is in my opinion 99% tosh, as per my original comment at the start of this thread.
I think it is realistic to think that we will lose some players who we would prefer to keep because that is what has happened ever since we sold Southampton born Martin Chivers to Spurs in 1968. That`s not to say it is what any of us want. I know I certainly don`t. However unless KL is prepared to dig very deep and match the wages that our best players could now earn elsewhere I think it is inevitable that it will happen. As to who will go, where they will go, and for how much I really don`t know and I don`t think any of us will until after the World Cup. That is why the stuff we are currently reading on a daily basis is in my opinion 99% tosh, as per my original comment at the start of this thread. Poole Tom
  • Score: 2

5:48pm Thu 22 May 14

upwherewebelong says...

Although I believe the Echo has a strongly anti Saints bias even with so called "supporters" like Leitch on the staff anyone criticising the Echo for this article are not being fair as they are only reporting what the Star are speculating. I had an moment of illumination today where I realised theres no point getting anxious about Krueger and the boards lack of action, or the rumours in the Anti Southampton FC Press as I can't change anything in the words of a song Que Sera Sera. I hope the players have enough loyalty to stay for at least one more season. Lallana & Shaw will lose a lot of my respect if he jumps ship this summer but nothing I say or do will change anything so i'll just relax and wait and see.
Although I believe the Echo has a strongly anti Saints bias even with so called "supporters" like Leitch on the staff anyone criticising the Echo for this article are not being fair as they are only reporting what the Star are speculating. I had an moment of illumination today where I realised theres no point getting anxious about Krueger and the boards lack of action, or the rumours in the Anti Southampton FC Press as I can't change anything in the words of a song Que Sera Sera. I hope the players have enough loyalty to stay for at least one more season. Lallana & Shaw will lose a lot of my respect if he jumps ship this summer but nothing I say or do will change anything so i'll just relax and wait and see. upwherewebelong
  • Score: 3

5:55pm Thu 22 May 14

kiddynamite says...

ozzysaint wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
smuggins wrote:
Call me stupid but I thought that if a player is under contract he can not sign for another club until the transfer window opens on 1st July.If a transfer fee has not been agreed how can agents talk to other clubs.Also unless given permission by Saints this can not happen.The players are now involved in England's training camp and Roy has banned Agents from the camp. Also why would Saints want to agree a fee- assuming they want to sell until after the World Cup.Both players would be worth more if they perform well on the World stage other big Clubs will be interested in them. I think Shaw is better than Bale at that age and Saints would be wise to hang on to him for another season or two when he will be worth a lot more.Until Saints say otherwise it is all a load of rubbish.I can see why the Board are saying nothing because whatever they say will be twisted and fuel more speculation.
I hope you're correct.
Correct. these players are under contract they just cant leave when they want to.
The only guy who can walk is MP with the clause in his contract. Les Reed has publicly said were not selling an that's it. we would be committing suicide if we sold all these players its just not going to happen. you don't go pumping millions into a club then sell off everything you've built up over the last 5 years.
Unless the owner is selling the club in the summer of course ;-) Is this why Cortese left?
[quote][p][bold]ozzysaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smuggins[/bold] wrote: Call me stupid but I thought that if a player is under contract he can not sign for another club until the transfer window opens on 1st July.If a transfer fee has not been agreed how can agents talk to other clubs.Also unless given permission by Saints this can not happen.The players are now involved in England's training camp and Roy has banned Agents from the camp. Also why would Saints want to agree a fee- assuming they want to sell until after the World Cup.Both players would be worth more if they perform well on the World stage other big Clubs will be interested in them. I think Shaw is better than Bale at that age and Saints would be wise to hang on to him for another season or two when he will be worth a lot more.Until Saints say otherwise it is all a load of rubbish.I can see why the Board are saying nothing because whatever they say will be twisted and fuel more speculation.[/p][/quote]I hope you're correct.[/p][/quote]Correct. these players are under contract they just cant leave when they want to. The only guy who can walk is MP with the clause in his contract. Les Reed has publicly said were not selling an that's it. we would be committing suicide if we sold all these players its just not going to happen. you don't go pumping millions into a club then sell off everything you've built up over the last 5 years.[/p][/quote]Unless the owner is selling the club in the summer of course ;-) Is this why Cortese left? kiddynamite
  • Score: -3

6:03pm Thu 22 May 14

Clever Dick says...

If there is any good news out there it is probably being held in reserve to offset any bad news. It seems pretty likely we are going to lose some players but they might perhaps offset it by announcing that MoPo is staying and has sanctioned the moves in order to strengthen the squad. That would be difficult to argue against. However some of the valuations being dreamed of by some of our own fans are just ridiculous. Luke is currently not worth anything like £40million. He is a raw youngster whose crossing is awful and he has a million miles to go to become another Bale. £30million and a strong sell on clause would be a fantastic deal for us. Likewise with Adam. Not quite so outrageous in this case but £25million and we could get a very good replacement in. Of course Gaston might step up and maybe the academy can come up with another gem. Dejan, Victor, Spider are all worth considerably more than we paid and if any offers are received we should play big time hardball. They are all more important to the side than Luke is.cannot for the life of me understand why Jack Cork hasn't been given a long term contract, but perhaps the board are too busy dealing with all the other press fuelled carp at the moment.
If there is any good news out there it is probably being held in reserve to offset any bad news. It seems pretty likely we are going to lose some players but they might perhaps offset it by announcing that MoPo is staying and has sanctioned the moves in order to strengthen the squad. That would be difficult to argue against. However some of the valuations being dreamed of by some of our own fans are just ridiculous. Luke is currently not worth anything like £40million. He is a raw youngster whose crossing is awful and he has a million miles to go to become another Bale. £30million and a strong sell on clause would be a fantastic deal for us. Likewise with Adam. Not quite so outrageous in this case but £25million and we could get a very good replacement in. Of course Gaston might step up and maybe the academy can come up with another gem. Dejan, Victor, Spider are all worth considerably more than we paid and if any offers are received we should play big time hardball. They are all more important to the side than Luke is.cannot for the life of me understand why Jack Cork hasn't been given a long term contract, but perhaps the board are too busy dealing with all the other press fuelled carp at the moment. Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

6:05pm Thu 22 May 14

Invidia says...

It has just been reported in the "Manchester hard Times " that Luke Shaw has turned down the offer to join Manu. He is quoted as saying that he wants to improve his all round game and feels he will be side tracked what with having to spend so much time to learn a new language.
It has just been reported in the "Manchester hard Times " that Luke Shaw has turned down the offer to join Manu. He is quoted as saying that he wants to improve his all round game and feels he will be side tracked what with having to spend so much time to learn a new language. Invidia
  • Score: 4

6:18pm Thu 22 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Poole Tom wrote:
I think it is realistic to think that we will lose some players who we would prefer to keep because that is what has happened ever since we sold Southampton born Martin Chivers to Spurs in 1968. That`s not to say it is what any of us want. I know I certainly don`t. However unless KL is prepared to dig very deep and match the wages that our best players could now earn elsewhere I think it is inevitable that it will happen. As to who will go, where they will go, and for how much I really don`t know and I don`t think any of us will until after the World Cup. That is why the stuff we are currently reading on a daily basis is in my opinion 99% tosh, as per my original comment at the start of this thread.
I absolutely agree with most of what you have said, apart from the first comment.
yes we lost players in the past and most of the time they went to keep the club afloat. we aren't the same club anymore though. the club changed the moment St Markus brought us. we now have an owner who has real financial clout, if you say what a club is worth by how wealthy its owner is, which is what the media do, then we are comfortably in the top five and above spuds, diverpool and manures owners. yes those clubs have a greater turnover than us but look at the debt manure have compared to us.
RK stated that we need to increase our turnover so that we can compete with those clubs. he also said, as other board members have, that we no longer need to sell players.
I know a lot of fans have had trouble changing the way they think about the club, I have as well, but we are not the club we used to be, happy just to stay in the prem. we have owners who want the club to progress to the next level.
that's why I feel its realistic to expect the club not to sell our top players. of course everyone has a price but if they do want to succeed then that price has to be very high, unless its a player we don't want i.e. Osvaldo.
[quote][p][bold]Poole Tom[/bold] wrote: I think it is realistic to think that we will lose some players who we would prefer to keep because that is what has happened ever since we sold Southampton born Martin Chivers to Spurs in 1968. That`s not to say it is what any of us want. I know I certainly don`t. However unless KL is prepared to dig very deep and match the wages that our best players could now earn elsewhere I think it is inevitable that it will happen. As to who will go, where they will go, and for how much I really don`t know and I don`t think any of us will until after the World Cup. That is why the stuff we are currently reading on a daily basis is in my opinion 99% tosh, as per my original comment at the start of this thread.[/p][/quote]I absolutely agree with most of what you have said, apart from the first comment. yes we lost players in the past and most of the time they went to keep the club afloat. we aren't the same club anymore though. the club changed the moment St Markus brought us. we now have an owner who has real financial clout, if you say what a club is worth by how wealthy its owner is, which is what the media do, then we are comfortably in the top five and above spuds, diverpool and manures owners. yes those clubs have a greater turnover than us but look at the debt manure have compared to us. RK stated that we need to increase our turnover so that we can compete with those clubs. he also said, as other board members have, that we no longer need to sell players. I know a lot of fans have had trouble changing the way they think about the club, I have as well, but we are not the club we used to be, happy just to stay in the prem. we have owners who want the club to progress to the next level. that's why I feel its realistic to expect the club not to sell our top players. of course everyone has a price but if they do want to succeed then that price has to be very high, unless its a player we don't want i.e. Osvaldo. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 2

6:26pm Thu 22 May 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

Clever Dick wrote:
If there is any good news out there it is probably being held in reserve to offset any bad news. It seems pretty likely we are going to lose some players but they might perhaps offset it by announcing that MoPo is staying and has sanctioned the moves in order to strengthen the squad. That would be difficult to argue against. However some of the valuations being dreamed of by some of our own fans are just ridiculous. Luke is currently not worth anything like £40million. He is a raw youngster whose crossing is awful and he has a million miles to go to become another Bale. £30million and a strong sell on clause would be a fantastic deal for us. Likewise with Adam. Not quite so outrageous in this case but £25million and we could get a very good replacement in. Of course Gaston might step up and maybe the academy can come up with another gem. Dejan, Victor, Spider are all worth considerably more than we paid and if any offers are received we should play big time hardball. They are all more important to the side than Luke is.cannot for the life of me understand why Jack Cork hasn't been given a long term contract, but perhaps the board are too busy dealing with all the other press fuelled carp at the moment.
I can't agree. Manchester United think Shaw is good enough to be part of their new foundation. Of all the players they can show interest, they show it to Shaw first.

And as for Lallana. He is only just turned 26 and he is improving at an excellent, even surprising rate. And he is our captain. He is worth more than any team is willing to pay, in my view. 50 million is fair, same as Shaw.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: If there is any good news out there it is probably being held in reserve to offset any bad news. It seems pretty likely we are going to lose some players but they might perhaps offset it by announcing that MoPo is staying and has sanctioned the moves in order to strengthen the squad. That would be difficult to argue against. However some of the valuations being dreamed of by some of our own fans are just ridiculous. Luke is currently not worth anything like £40million. He is a raw youngster whose crossing is awful and he has a million miles to go to become another Bale. £30million and a strong sell on clause would be a fantastic deal for us. Likewise with Adam. Not quite so outrageous in this case but £25million and we could get a very good replacement in. Of course Gaston might step up and maybe the academy can come up with another gem. Dejan, Victor, Spider are all worth considerably more than we paid and if any offers are received we should play big time hardball. They are all more important to the side than Luke is.cannot for the life of me understand why Jack Cork hasn't been given a long term contract, but perhaps the board are too busy dealing with all the other press fuelled carp at the moment.[/p][/quote]I can't agree. Manchester United think Shaw is good enough to be part of their new foundation. Of all the players they can show interest, they show it to Shaw first. And as for Lallana. He is only just turned 26 and he is improving at an excellent, even surprising rate. And he is our captain. He is worth more than any team is willing to pay, in my view. 50 million is fair, same as Shaw. BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 3

6:43pm Thu 22 May 14

Clever Dick says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
If there is any good news out there it is probably being held in reserve to offset any bad news. It seems pretty likely we are going to lose some players but they might perhaps offset it by announcing that MoPo is staying and has sanctioned the moves in order to strengthen the squad. That would be difficult to argue against. However some of the valuations being dreamed of by some of our own fans are just ridiculous. Luke is currently not worth anything like £40million. He is a raw youngster whose crossing is awful and he has a million miles to go to become another Bale. £30million and a strong sell on clause would be a fantastic deal for us. Likewise with Adam. Not quite so outrageous in this case but £25million and we could get a very good replacement in. Of course Gaston might step up and maybe the academy can come up with another gem. Dejan, Victor, Spider are all worth considerably more than we paid and if any offers are received we should play big time hardball. They are all more important to the side than Luke is.cannot for the life of me understand why Jack Cork hasn't been given a long term contract, but perhaps the board are too busy dealing with all the other press fuelled carp at the moment.
I can't agree. Manchester United think Shaw is good enough to be part of their new foundation. Of all the players they can show interest, they show it to Shaw first.

And as for Lallana. He is only just turned 26 and he is improving at an excellent, even surprising rate. And he is our captain. He is worth more than any team is willing to pay, in my view. 50 million is fair, same as Shaw.
It's all a matter of opinion. Luke could well go on to be another Bale but the chances are hugely against that. There aren't many players that go for £50 million especially full backs. In Adams case I agree that he has stepped up every year. I lost count of the number of fans sat near me who said he wasn't even good enough for the Prem at the start of last season. I'd really like to keep him because ,as you say , he is our captain and a bit of a talisman as well. I don't think he is a £50 million player either though and if Liverpool are not prepared to go over £20million that speaks volumes. (I know it's only a rumour) Manure may well have picked Luke out as their number one target but they have made some huge transfer bloopers in the past as well. All clubs do and will continue to do so.
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: If there is any good news out there it is probably being held in reserve to offset any bad news. It seems pretty likely we are going to lose some players but they might perhaps offset it by announcing that MoPo is staying and has sanctioned the moves in order to strengthen the squad. That would be difficult to argue against. However some of the valuations being dreamed of by some of our own fans are just ridiculous. Luke is currently not worth anything like £40million. He is a raw youngster whose crossing is awful and he has a million miles to go to become another Bale. £30million and a strong sell on clause would be a fantastic deal for us. Likewise with Adam. Not quite so outrageous in this case but £25million and we could get a very good replacement in. Of course Gaston might step up and maybe the academy can come up with another gem. Dejan, Victor, Spider are all worth considerably more than we paid and if any offers are received we should play big time hardball. They are all more important to the side than Luke is.cannot for the life of me understand why Jack Cork hasn't been given a long term contract, but perhaps the board are too busy dealing with all the other press fuelled carp at the moment.[/p][/quote]I can't agree. Manchester United think Shaw is good enough to be part of their new foundation. Of all the players they can show interest, they show it to Shaw first. And as for Lallana. He is only just turned 26 and he is improving at an excellent, even surprising rate. And he is our captain. He is worth more than any team is willing to pay, in my view. 50 million is fair, same as Shaw.[/p][/quote]It's all a matter of opinion. Luke could well go on to be another Bale but the chances are hugely against that. There aren't many players that go for £50 million especially full backs. In Adams case I agree that he has stepped up every year. I lost count of the number of fans sat near me who said he wasn't even good enough for the Prem at the start of last season. I'd really like to keep him because ,as you say , he is our captain and a bit of a talisman as well. I don't think he is a £50 million player either though and if Liverpool are not prepared to go over £20million that speaks volumes. (I know it's only a rumour) Manure may well have picked Luke out as their number one target but they have made some huge transfer bloopers in the past as well. All clubs do and will continue to do so. Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

6:58pm Thu 22 May 14

Baddesley Bill says...

As meltdowns go...this meltdown is proving to be no more of a meltdown than the last meltdown.
As meltdowns go...this meltdown is proving to be no more of a meltdown than the last meltdown. Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 0

7:04pm Thu 22 May 14

Shrewdsaint says...

BBC Sport making a big deal about Wilshere getting the 7 shirt but Adam and Luke have their Saints numbers so it means nothing.
BBC Sport making a big deal about Wilshere getting the 7 shirt but Adam and Luke have their Saints numbers so it means nothing. Shrewdsaint
  • Score: 7

7:12pm Thu 22 May 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

Shrewdsaint wrote:
BBC Sport making a big deal about Wilshere getting the 7 shirt but Adam and Luke have their Saints numbers so it means nothing.
... Maybe in respect, a last farewell. I hope not.

I hope it is a sign to the fans, that they are not going anywhere...

By the way, BBC has an article claiming that Manchester United need 6 signings to challenge... It made me think, I don't think we need that many....
[quote][p][bold]Shrewdsaint[/bold] wrote: BBC Sport making a big deal about Wilshere getting the 7 shirt but Adam and Luke have their Saints numbers so it means nothing.[/p][/quote]... Maybe in respect, a last farewell. I hope not. I hope it is a sign to the fans, that they are not going anywhere... By the way, BBC has an article claiming that Manchester United need 6 signings to challenge... It made me think, I don't think we need that many.... BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 2

7:33pm Thu 22 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

The size of the sell on percentage to Bournemouth makes a sale far less attractive. If he went for £20m £5m goes to the cherries. (Silly name). A decent replacement will be at least £10m as we need someone not for the future but for right now. If they turn out to be a bad signing like Osvaldo or Forren then we've wasted the money. Safer to stick than twist.
The size of the sell on percentage to Bournemouth makes a sale far less attractive. If he went for £20m £5m goes to the cherries. (Silly name). A decent replacement will be at least £10m as we need someone not for the future but for right now. If they turn out to be a bad signing like Osvaldo or Forren then we've wasted the money. Safer to stick than twist. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

7:44pm Thu 22 May 14

SAINTS TILL I DIE!! says...

everyone just chill... we're NOT the saints of old. These are all ******* rumours. Seriously guys be logical here. You think the players will leave this year after the amazing season we have had. From an outside perspective, we the fans know how unlucky we were during xmas with injuries. We, the fans know that if we had kept even half the points lost from a winning position, it'd be a whole new ball game. SO imagine what the players can see from ACTUALLY being part of it. LR already said no-one will leave without Pochettino's grant. You think he will let Adam and Luke leave? Be serious here guys.
everyone just chill... we're NOT the saints of old. These are all ******* rumours. Seriously guys be logical here. You think the players will leave this year after the amazing season we have had. From an outside perspective, we the fans know how unlucky we were during xmas with injuries. We, the fans know that if we had kept even half the points lost from a winning position, it'd be a whole new ball game. SO imagine what the players can see from ACTUALLY being part of it. LR already said no-one will leave without Pochettino's grant. You think he will let Adam and Luke leave? Be serious here guys. SAINTS TILL I DIE!!
  • Score: 7

7:46pm Thu 22 May 14

M.U.CS1 says...

You saints fans need to get real, even if your chairman has loads of money, so what, your players and every decent player wants to play for top teams, how can you blame them ? You have had one good season and fair play, but you are a long way short of being a Liverpool or MAN.UTD , these teams are known worldwide and have won loads of trophy's, have you lot ever won a trophy ?
You saints fans need to get real, even if your chairman has loads of money, so what, your players and every decent player wants to play for top teams, how can you blame them ? You have had one good season and fair play, but you are a long way short of being a Liverpool or MAN.UTD , these teams are known worldwide and have won loads of trophy's, have you lot ever won a trophy ? M.U.CS1
  • Score: -15

7:53pm Thu 22 May 14

up saints says...

if that plonker osvaldo is worth £15 mil shaw and llalana should be worth £150 each
if that plonker osvaldo is worth £15 mil shaw and llalana should be worth £150 each up saints
  • Score: 2

7:54pm Thu 22 May 14

Shrewdsaint says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
You saints fans need to get real, even if your chairman has loads of money, so what, your players and every decent player wants to play for top teams, how can you blame them ? You have had one good season and fair play, but you are a long way short of being a Liverpool or MAN.UTD , these teams are known worldwide and have won loads of trophy's, have you lot ever won a trophy ?
I was there in '76 when we beat your lot. And who can remember the best premiership game ever 6-3 was the score. We were one place behind your lot last year, we'll be above you next and then all you 'locals' will start buying Saints shirts and jump on the bandwagon.
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: You saints fans need to get real, even if your chairman has loads of money, so what, your players and every decent player wants to play for top teams, how can you blame them ? You have had one good season and fair play, but you are a long way short of being a Liverpool or MAN.UTD , these teams are known worldwide and have won loads of trophy's, have you lot ever won a trophy ?[/p][/quote]I was there in '76 when we beat your lot. And who can remember the best premiership game ever 6-3 was the score. We were one place behind your lot last year, we'll be above you next and then all you 'locals' will start buying Saints shirts and jump on the bandwagon. Shrewdsaint
  • Score: 7

8:00pm Thu 22 May 14

Saint Surrey says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
You saints fans need to get real, even if your chairman has loads of money, so what, your players and every decent player wants to play for top teams, how can you blame them ? You have had one good season and fair play, but you are a long way short of being a Liverpool or MAN.UTD , these teams are known worldwide and have won loads of trophy's, have you lot ever won a trophy ?
Yes, The FA Cup - guess who the beaten finalist was!!! BTW, how many trophies did Manu win in Fergies first few years. It doesn't give you a god given right to be there forever
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: You saints fans need to get real, even if your chairman has loads of money, so what, your players and every decent player wants to play for top teams, how can you blame them ? You have had one good season and fair play, but you are a long way short of being a Liverpool or MAN.UTD , these teams are known worldwide and have won loads of trophy's, have you lot ever won a trophy ?[/p][/quote]Yes, The FA Cup - guess who the beaten finalist was!!! BTW, how many trophies did Manu win in Fergies first few years. It doesn't give you a god given right to be there forever Saint Surrey
  • Score: 1

8:02pm Thu 22 May 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
You saints fans need to get real, even if your chairman has loads of money, so what, your players and every decent player wants to play for top teams, how can you blame them ? You have had one good season and fair play, but you are a long way short of being a Liverpool or MAN.UTD , these teams are known worldwide and have won loads of trophy's, have you lot ever won a trophy ?
And Liverpool fans need to grow brains matching their egos. Traditionalist always feel surprised in a changing world.
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: You saints fans need to get real, even if your chairman has loads of money, so what, your players and every decent player wants to play for top teams, how can you blame them ? You have had one good season and fair play, but you are a long way short of being a Liverpool or MAN.UTD , these teams are known worldwide and have won loads of trophy's, have you lot ever won a trophy ?[/p][/quote]And Liverpool fans need to grow brains matching their egos. Traditionalist always feel surprised in a changing world. BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 1

8:17pm Thu 22 May 14

jls217 says...

hedge end bob wrote:
All you DRAMA QUEENS out there......CALM DOWN and wait for this afternoon's press meeting due to start at 6.00 A M TODAY.

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I'm guessing u meant to type 6.00 PM? What was the outcome?
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: All you DRAMA QUEENS out there......CALM DOWN and wait for this afternoon's press meeting due to start at 6.00 A M TODAY. IN GOAL B RUMOUR LB O RUMOUR CB L RUMOUR CB L RUMOUR RB I RUMOUR LM C RUMOUR CM K RUMOUR CM S RUMOUR RM G RUMOUR ST E RUMOUR ST T RUMOUR. A L I F E STID.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing u meant to type 6.00 PM? What was the outcome? jls217
  • Score: 0

8:30pm Thu 22 May 14

andygoater1957 says...

And we still have no shirts to wear.
And we still have no shirts to wear. andygoater1957
  • Score: -1

8:40pm Thu 22 May 14

M.U.CS1 says...

Saint Surrey wrote:
M.U.CS1 wrote:
You saints fans need to get real, even if your chairman has loads of money, so what, your players and every decent player wants to play for top teams, how can you blame them ? You have had one good season and fair play, but you are a long way short of being a Liverpool or MAN.UTD , these teams are known worldwide and have won loads of trophy's, have you lot ever won a trophy ?
Yes, The FA Cup - guess who the beaten finalist was!!! BTW, how many trophies did Manu win in Fergies first few years. It doesn't give you a god given right to be there forever
Wow, one F.A. Cup trophy in your whole history, well done ? Even your rivals Portsmouth have won more trophy's than you lot !
[quote][p][bold]Saint Surrey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: You saints fans need to get real, even if your chairman has loads of money, so what, your players and every decent player wants to play for top teams, how can you blame them ? You have had one good season and fair play, but you are a long way short of being a Liverpool or MAN.UTD , these teams are known worldwide and have won loads of trophy's, have you lot ever won a trophy ?[/p][/quote]Yes, The FA Cup - guess who the beaten finalist was!!! BTW, how many trophies did Manu win in Fergies first few years. It doesn't give you a god given right to be there forever[/p][/quote]Wow, one F.A. Cup trophy in your whole history, well done ? Even your rivals Portsmouth have won more trophy's than you lot ! M.U.CS1
  • Score: -3

8:47pm Thu 22 May 14

Clever Dick says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
You saints fans need to get real, even if your chairman has loads of money, so what, your players and every decent player wants to play for top teams, how can you blame them ? You have had one good season and fair play, but you are a long way short of being a Liverpool or MAN.UTD , these teams are known worldwide and have won loads of trophy's, have you lot ever won a trophy ?
We are real thanks. It's you who needs to get real. You have a team of has beens. You have gotten used to winning things and now you need to get used to not winning things. Another season or two of that and RVP will be off. You are going to slip into obscurity just like Liverpool did a while back. We don't give a sh-t about how many trophies you have won . We are looking to the future, you can look to the past just like our dopey neighbours do. And look where the are now.
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: You saints fans need to get real, even if your chairman has loads of money, so what, your players and every decent player wants to play for top teams, how can you blame them ? You have had one good season and fair play, but you are a long way short of being a Liverpool or MAN.UTD , these teams are known worldwide and have won loads of trophy's, have you lot ever won a trophy ?[/p][/quote]We are real thanks. It's you who needs to get real. You have a team of has beens. You have gotten used to winning things and now you need to get used to not winning things. Another season or two of that and RVP will be off. You are going to slip into obscurity just like Liverpool did a while back. We don't give a sh-t about how many trophies you have won . We are looking to the future, you can look to the past just like our dopey neighbours do. And look where the are now. Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

8:52pm Thu 22 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Saint Surrey wrote:
M.U.CS1 wrote:
You saints fans need to get real, even if your chairman has loads of money, so what, your players and every decent player wants to play for top teams, how can you blame them ? You have had one good season and fair play, but you are a long way short of being a Liverpool or MAN.UTD , these teams are known worldwide and have won loads of trophy's, have you lot ever won a trophy ?
Yes, The FA Cup - guess who the beaten finalist was!!! BTW, how many trophies did Manu win in Fergies first few years. It doesn't give you a god given right to be there forever
Wow, one F.A. Cup trophy in your whole history, well done ? Even your rivals Portsmouth have won more trophy's than you lot !
What part of Surrey are you from, wouldn't Nottarf be more convenient to watch your "football".
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Surrey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: You saints fans need to get real, even if your chairman has loads of money, so what, your players and every decent player wants to play for top teams, how can you blame them ? You have had one good season and fair play, but you are a long way short of being a Liverpool or MAN.UTD , these teams are known worldwide and have won loads of trophy's, have you lot ever won a trophy ?[/p][/quote]Yes, The FA Cup - guess who the beaten finalist was!!! BTW, how many trophies did Manu win in Fergies first few years. It doesn't give you a god given right to be there forever[/p][/quote]Wow, one F.A. Cup trophy in your whole history, well done ? Even your rivals Portsmouth have won more trophy's than you lot ![/p][/quote]What part of Surrey are you from, wouldn't Nottarf be more convenient to watch your "football". OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

9:07pm Thu 22 May 14

NC Fan4Life says...

We don't want either to go and they were both happy to sign contracts last year committing to the vision for the next few seasons. First year of that vision a success so why do they all want to jump ship ?
Les & Ralph please tell them they must all give it at least one more season to help take us forward then consider the future this time next year. Time for you two to make an impact, not break the squad up.

Replacing Luke Shaw, if he is determined to go, is a possibility but don't let him go for the peanuts being offered. He will be worth much more in a couple of seasons, we must not loose out as we did with Bale whose value rose over 16 times in five years after we sold him. Both Walcott & Ox-Chamberlain must be worth at least six times what we sold them for.
At 18 Luke has at least 15 seasons at the top so is worth at least £50m.

For Saints to be able to replace Adam is not realistic because players of his quality will not come to Saints if we are selling our best ones. At the moment we need to be showing the club will match his ambition by adding more quality players, not just replacing any that go.
We don't want either to go and they were both happy to sign contracts last year committing to the vision for the next few seasons. First year of that vision a success so why do they all want to jump ship ? Les & Ralph please tell them they must all give it at least one more season to help take us forward then consider the future this time next year. Time for you two to make an impact, not break the squad up. Replacing Luke Shaw, if he is determined to go, is a possibility but don't let him go for the peanuts being offered. He will be worth much more in a couple of seasons, we must not loose out as we did with Bale whose value rose over 16 times in five years after we sold him. Both Walcott & Ox-Chamberlain must be worth at least six times what we sold them for. At 18 Luke has at least 15 seasons at the top so is worth at least £50m. For Saints to be able to replace Adam is not realistic because players of his quality will not come to Saints if we are selling our best ones. At the moment we need to be showing the club will match his ambition by adding more quality players, not just replacing any that go. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 2

9:11pm Thu 22 May 14

jasons odd says...

Sick of Southampton being considered a smaller club . We need our owner to show leadership , drive and ambition .

Keep lallana
Keep shaw
Keep our manager

....And push on with corteses vision for the club

otherwise ? Whats the point ???
Sick of Southampton being considered a smaller club . We need our owner to show leadership , drive and ambition . Keep lallana Keep shaw Keep our manager ....And push on with corteses vision for the club otherwise ? Whats the point ??? jasons odd
  • Score: 7

9:21pm Thu 22 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

You have to admit Manure are bigger than us in some aspects, i.e. their £356.6m debt is much larger than most. They certainly have much greater egos than most and their history is great, their future, I am not so sure about.
You have to admit Manure are bigger than us in some aspects, i.e. their £356.6m debt is much larger than most. They certainly have much greater egos than most and their history is great, their future, I am not so sure about. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

9:30pm Thu 22 May 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

jasons odd wrote:
Sick of Southampton being considered a smaller club . We need our owner to show leadership , drive and ambition .

Keep lallana
Keep shaw
Keep our manager

....And push on with corteses vision for the club

otherwise ? Whats the point ???
We are NOT a small club. In fact, on the just released Bloomber's Sports Power 50, we have 3 players included! Fonte, Lovren, and Lambert. In comparison, Manchester United only have 1, namely Wayne Rooney, placed below all of ours. To have 3 players included is absolutely magnificent! CONGRATULATIONS!

Let's hope our board can see that the foundation is there to keep and build on!

https://www.bsports.
com/power50-list#.U3
5b9ScaySM
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: Sick of Southampton being considered a smaller club . We need our owner to show leadership , drive and ambition . Keep lallana Keep shaw Keep our manager ....And push on with corteses vision for the club otherwise ? Whats the point ???[/p][/quote]We are NOT a small club. In fact, on the just released Bloomber's Sports Power 50, we have 3 players included! Fonte, Lovren, and Lambert. In comparison, Manchester United only have 1, namely Wayne Rooney, placed below all of ours. To have 3 players included is absolutely magnificent! CONGRATULATIONS! Let's hope our board can see that the foundation is there to keep and build on! https://www.bsports. com/power50-list#.U3 5b9ScaySM BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 0

9:32pm Thu 22 May 14

montecristosaint says...

Ive read every single post on this thread, and guess what I hope that like her father Miss Liebherr takes the trouble to read the Echo and see what fans are saying about the club and its direction. If she had any doubt as to what Saints fans want, well, its all here , Miss Liebherr the fans want success , to win the Premier League, and if we fail then we fail together. We are not going to do that without retaining ALL OUR PLAYERS we re a family,and its that unity that makes us special plus dedication to the cause. This is a once in a life time opportunity a group of extremely talented players coming through in an academy is a rare thing do not let us down by selling the family silver, I suspect you wont, revise the players contracts if its a question of money, some will deserve to be paid more. But, please do not sell them . Add to them the three or four we need to challenge for the top four. I suspect your father like us, would be very happy of you did.We do not forget him . And so say all of us. COYR
Ive read every single post on this thread, and guess what I hope that like her father Miss Liebherr takes the trouble to read the Echo and see what fans are saying about the club and its direction. If she had any doubt as to what Saints fans want, well, its all here , Miss Liebherr the fans want success , to win the Premier League, and if we fail then we fail together. We are not going to do that without retaining ALL OUR PLAYERS we re a family,and its that unity that makes us special plus dedication to the cause. This is a once in a life time opportunity a group of extremely talented players coming through in an academy is a rare thing do not let us down by selling the family silver, I suspect you wont, revise the players contracts if its a question of money, some will deserve to be paid more. But, please do not sell them . Add to them the three or four we need to challenge for the top four. I suspect your father like us, would be very happy of you did.We do not forget him . And so say all of us. COYR montecristosaint
  • Score: 4

9:34pm Thu 22 May 14

Clever Dick says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
You have to admit Manure are bigger than us in some aspects, i.e. their £356.6m debt is much larger than most. They certainly have much greater egos than most and their history is great, their future, I am not so sure about.
That's a lot of debt. Are they the skunts of the north?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: You have to admit Manure are bigger than us in some aspects, i.e. their £356.6m debt is much larger than most. They certainly have much greater egos than most and their history is great, their future, I am not so sure about.[/p][/quote]That's a lot of debt. Are they the skunts of the north? Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

9:35pm Thu 22 May 14

Simmo13 says...

Les Reed should come out and tell us what is happening before we renew our season tickets and this Krueger not only invisible but deaf and dumb what the hell is he doing !
Les Reed should come out and tell us what is happening before we renew our season tickets and this Krueger not only invisible but deaf and dumb what the hell is he doing ! Simmo13
  • Score: -4

9:40pm Thu 22 May 14

miltonnroad76 says...

someone posted shaws crossing is ;'quote' awfull ...........well isaw him whip plenty of telling crosses into the danger area and btw .he is left back not a winger..
someone posted shaws crossing is ;'quote' awfull ...........well isaw him whip plenty of telling crosses into the danger area and btw .he is left back not a winger.. miltonnroad76
  • Score: -2

9:40pm Thu 22 May 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

montecristosaint wrote:
Ive read every single post on this thread, and guess what I hope that like her father Miss Liebherr takes the trouble to read the Echo and see what fans are saying about the club and its direction. If she had any doubt as to what Saints fans want, well, its all here , Miss Liebherr the fans want success , to win the Premier League, and if we fail then we fail together. We are not going to do that without retaining ALL OUR PLAYERS we re a family,and its that unity that makes us special plus dedication to the cause. This is a once in a life time opportunity a group of extremely talented players coming through in an academy is a rare thing do not let us down by selling the family silver, I suspect you wont, revise the players contracts if its a question of money, some will deserve to be paid more. But, please do not sell them . Add to them the three or four we need to challenge for the top four. I suspect your father like us, would be very happy of you did.We do not forget him . And so say all of us. COYR
Very well said! I too hope they listen. We are at a tipping point, and we must push on, and transition to a new Saints! This is it! We must take our chance! The Board must fulfill its duty, to fans past and future!
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: Ive read every single post on this thread, and guess what I hope that like her father Miss Liebherr takes the trouble to read the Echo and see what fans are saying about the club and its direction. If she had any doubt as to what Saints fans want, well, its all here , Miss Liebherr the fans want success , to win the Premier League, and if we fail then we fail together. We are not going to do that without retaining ALL OUR PLAYERS we re a family,and its that unity that makes us special plus dedication to the cause. This is a once in a life time opportunity a group of extremely talented players coming through in an academy is a rare thing do not let us down by selling the family silver, I suspect you wont, revise the players contracts if its a question of money, some will deserve to be paid more. But, please do not sell them . Add to them the three or four we need to challenge for the top four. I suspect your father like us, would be very happy of you did.We do not forget him . And so say all of us. COYR[/p][/quote]Very well said! I too hope they listen. We are at a tipping point, and we must push on, and transition to a new Saints! This is it! We must take our chance! The Board must fulfill its duty, to fans past and future! BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 0

10:03pm Thu 22 May 14

jasons odd says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
Sick of Southampton being considered a smaller club . We need our owner to show leadership , drive and ambition .

Keep lallana
Keep shaw
Keep our manager

....And push on with corteses vision for the club

otherwise ? Whats the point ???
We are NOT a small club. In fact, on the just released Bloomber's Sports Power 50, we have 3 players included! Fonte, Lovren, and Lambert. In comparison, Manchester United only have 1, namely Wayne Rooney, placed below all of ours. To have 3 players included is absolutely magnificent! CONGRATULATIONS!

Let's hope our board can see that the foundation is there to keep and build on!

https://www.bsports.

com/power50-list#.U3

5b9ScaySM
Its all about perception , if our owners sell our top players ...then we ARE a small club .

If we keep our players and maybe add ...then we can grow and not be considered a small selling club

Its down to our owner . ambitious ? or satisfied with a self-sustaining PL club ? I guess we will find out soon
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: Sick of Southampton being considered a smaller club . We need our owner to show leadership , drive and ambition . Keep lallana Keep shaw Keep our manager ....And push on with corteses vision for the club otherwise ? Whats the point ???[/p][/quote]We are NOT a small club. In fact, on the just released Bloomber's Sports Power 50, we have 3 players included! Fonte, Lovren, and Lambert. In comparison, Manchester United only have 1, namely Wayne Rooney, placed below all of ours. To have 3 players included is absolutely magnificent! CONGRATULATIONS! Let's hope our board can see that the foundation is there to keep and build on! https://www.bsports. com/power50-list#.U3 5b9ScaySM[/p][/quote]Its all about perception , if our owners sell our top players ...then we ARE a small club . If we keep our players and maybe add ...then we can grow and not be considered a small selling club Its down to our owner . ambitious ? or satisfied with a self-sustaining PL club ? I guess we will find out soon jasons odd
  • Score: 2

10:04pm Thu 22 May 14

Clever Dick says...

miltonnroad76 wrote:
someone posted shaws crossing is ;'quote' awfull ...........well isaw him whip plenty of telling crosses into the danger area and btw .he is left back not a winger..
He's not a full back and he's not a winger. I think you will find the current term for that is a wing back. That means he is required to defend and get forward to deliver telling balls into the box. That is why we don't play with out and out wingers. The telling balls you have witnessed into the danger area have produced one (yes one) assist from thirty five appearances. Nat Clyne has produced 4 assists from 25 appearances.
[quote][p][bold]miltonnroad76[/bold] wrote: someone posted shaws crossing is ;'quote' awfull ...........well isaw him whip plenty of telling crosses into the danger area and btw .he is left back not a winger..[/p][/quote]He's not a full back and he's not a winger. I think you will find the current term for that is a wing back. That means he is required to defend and get forward to deliver telling balls into the box. That is why we don't play with out and out wingers. The telling balls you have witnessed into the danger area have produced one (yes one) assist from thirty five appearances. Nat Clyne has produced 4 assists from 25 appearances. Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

10:05pm Thu 22 May 14

TGodSFC says...

montecristosaint wrote:
Ive read every single post on this thread, and guess what I hope that like her father Miss Liebherr takes the trouble to read the Echo and see what fans are saying about the club and its direction. If she had any doubt as to what Saints fans want, well, its all here , Miss Liebherr the fans want success , to win the Premier League, and if we fail then we fail together. We are not going to do that without retaining ALL OUR PLAYERS we re a family,and its that unity that makes us special plus dedication to the cause. This is a once in a life time opportunity a group of extremely talented players coming through in an academy is a rare thing do not let us down by selling the family silver, I suspect you wont, revise the players contracts if its a question of money, some will deserve to be paid more. But, please do not sell them . Add to them the three or four we need to challenge for the top four. I suspect your father like us, would be very happy of you did.We do not forget him . And so say all of us. COYR
Well said !
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: Ive read every single post on this thread, and guess what I hope that like her father Miss Liebherr takes the trouble to read the Echo and see what fans are saying about the club and its direction. If she had any doubt as to what Saints fans want, well, its all here , Miss Liebherr the fans want success , to win the Premier League, and if we fail then we fail together. We are not going to do that without retaining ALL OUR PLAYERS we re a family,and its that unity that makes us special plus dedication to the cause. This is a once in a life time opportunity a group of extremely talented players coming through in an academy is a rare thing do not let us down by selling the family silver, I suspect you wont, revise the players contracts if its a question of money, some will deserve to be paid more. But, please do not sell them . Add to them the three or four we need to challenge for the top four. I suspect your father like us, would be very happy of you did.We do not forget him . And so say all of us. COYR[/p][/quote]Well said ! TGodSFC
  • Score: 0

10:19pm Thu 22 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Saint Surrey wrote:
M.U.CS1 wrote:
You saints fans need to get real, even if your chairman has loads of money, so what, your players and every decent player wants to play for top teams, how can you blame them ? You have had one good season and fair play, but you are a long way short of being a Liverpool or MAN.UTD , these teams are known worldwide and have won loads of trophy's, have you lot ever won a trophy ?
Yes, The FA Cup - guess who the beaten finalist was!!! BTW, how many trophies did Manu win in Fergies first few years. It doesn't give you a god given right to be there forever
Wow, one F.A. Cup trophy in your whole history, well done ? Even your rivals Portsmouth have won more trophy's than you lot !
so a manure fan who didn't know we beat them in the cup final of 76 to `win a trophy` yet new instantly that poopey had, cant say won here, 2 fa cups? suspicious?
do fans of every club go on about trophies, because I thought it was only one lot who did that!
just saying.

why are people worried abut manure anyway? they have lost 3/4 of their defence and what they've got left is dire, their main forwards are shrek, who just hasn't got it anymore and a dutch bloke who spends more time on the physios table than the splitter anderton did! they were so desperate to do something in the jan window they fell into the special ones trap and paid at least £20mill more than mata`s worth. then to top it all they've got cleverly! another season like last and the plastics wont bother to travel up to manc from surrey.
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Surrey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: You saints fans need to get real, even if your chairman has loads of money, so what, your players and every decent player wants to play for top teams, how can you blame them ? You have had one good season and fair play, but you are a long way short of being a Liverpool or MAN.UTD , these teams are known worldwide and have won loads of trophy's, have you lot ever won a trophy ?[/p][/quote]Yes, The FA Cup - guess who the beaten finalist was!!! BTW, how many trophies did Manu win in Fergies first few years. It doesn't give you a god given right to be there forever[/p][/quote]Wow, one F.A. Cup trophy in your whole history, well done ? Even your rivals Portsmouth have won more trophy's than you lot ![/p][/quote]so a manure fan who didn't know we beat them in the cup final of 76 to `win a trophy` yet new instantly that poopey had, cant say won here, 2 fa cups? suspicious? do fans of every club go on about trophies, because I thought it was only one lot who did that! just saying. why are people worried abut manure anyway? they have lost 3/4 of their defence and what they've got left is dire, their main forwards are shrek, who just hasn't got it anymore and a dutch bloke who spends more time on the physios table than the splitter anderton did! they were so desperate to do something in the jan window they fell into the special ones trap and paid at least £20mill more than mata`s worth. then to top it all they've got cleverly! another season like last and the plastics wont bother to travel up to manc from surrey. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 2

10:45pm Thu 22 May 14

Freddie Flowerpot says...

It's a ridiculous argument to even try and pretend that Liverpool and Manchester United aren't bigger and more successful clubs than us. We are like the rest of the mid table teams who can't compete with them and other clubs (Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea and even Spurs) when it comes to player salaries.

Where we do have the advantage is that they can earn good money and play regularly, I very much doubt if Luke and Adam would have even made the England squad had they been at a top 4 club last season, as their chances to impress would have been greatly reduced due to the lack of playing time.
It's a ridiculous argument to even try and pretend that Liverpool and Manchester United aren't bigger and more successful clubs than us. We are like the rest of the mid table teams who can't compete with them and other clubs (Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea and even Spurs) when it comes to player salaries. Where we do have the advantage is that they can earn good money and play regularly, I very much doubt if Luke and Adam would have even made the England squad had they been at a top 4 club last season, as their chances to impress would have been greatly reduced due to the lack of playing time. Freddie Flowerpot
  • Score: 3

11:03pm Thu 22 May 14

Clever Dick says...

Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
It's a ridiculous argument to even try and pretend that Liverpool and Manchester United aren't bigger and more successful clubs than us. We are like the rest of the mid table teams who can't compete with them and other clubs (Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea and even Spurs) when it comes to player salaries.

Where we do have the advantage is that they can earn good money and play regularly, I very much doubt if Luke and Adam would have even made the England squad had they been at a top 4 club last season, as their chances to impress would have been greatly reduced due to the lack of playing time.
As is often the case in life as well as in football it's all about being in the right place at the right time. If we had signed Buttner when we were first after him, and if Danny Fox had been Prem standard, then Luke would not even have made the bench. To be fair it's then all about taking the chance. Though he did make a few mistakes he didn't really look out of place. If it's true he's off to Manure for £27million then the club obviously thinks that is a good deal. I'd have to agree with them but it would be nice if a player who has got where he is today because of the Saints, showed a bit more loyalty and gratitude.
[quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: It's a ridiculous argument to even try and pretend that Liverpool and Manchester United aren't bigger and more successful clubs than us. We are like the rest of the mid table teams who can't compete with them and other clubs (Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea and even Spurs) when it comes to player salaries. Where we do have the advantage is that they can earn good money and play regularly, I very much doubt if Luke and Adam would have even made the England squad had they been at a top 4 club last season, as their chances to impress would have been greatly reduced due to the lack of playing time.[/p][/quote]As is often the case in life as well as in football it's all about being in the right place at the right time. If we had signed Buttner when we were first after him, and if Danny Fox had been Prem standard, then Luke would not even have made the bench. To be fair it's then all about taking the chance. Though he did make a few mistakes he didn't really look out of place. If it's true he's off to Manure for £27million then the club obviously thinks that is a good deal. I'd have to agree with them but it would be nice if a player who has got where he is today because of the Saints, showed a bit more loyalty and gratitude. Clever Dick
  • Score: 2

11:39pm Thu 22 May 14

Jonny Maths says...

thornhill88 wrote:
Shaw will go . So will adam . So will mopo . And I reckon lovren will go ... when all these players go .. jay will also go once hes fit . One good season .. the first decent premier league season in over 10 years . Clubs like manu and liverpool are targeting saints players because they believe these players can help them win trophies. For mangement to once agian allow quality players to walk from saints shows lack of ambition as a club .. these players leave as they feel they will achieve nothing with the saints . Same old crap .. nothing changes .good players have no loyalty only money hungry .same teams continue to finish at the top . Saints will finish between 16th -11th next year ... over it same old crap
sadly... correct.
[quote][p][bold]thornhill88[/bold] wrote: Shaw will go . So will adam . So will mopo . And I reckon lovren will go ... when all these players go .. jay will also go once hes fit . One good season .. the first decent premier league season in over 10 years . Clubs like manu and liverpool are targeting saints players because they believe these players can help them win trophies. For mangement to once agian allow quality players to walk from saints shows lack of ambition as a club .. these players leave as they feel they will achieve nothing with the saints . Same old crap .. nothing changes .good players have no loyalty only money hungry .same teams continue to finish at the top . Saints will finish between 16th -11th next year ... over it same old crap[/p][/quote]sadly... correct. Jonny Maths
  • Score: -3

1:30am Fri 23 May 14

hedge end bob says...

jls217 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote: All you DRAMA QUEENS out there......CALM DOWN and wait for this afternoon's press meeting due to start at 6.00 A M TODAY. IN GOAL B RUMOUR LB O RUMOUR CB L RUMOUR CB L RUMOUR RB I RUMOUR LM C RUMOUR CM K RUMOUR CM S RUMOUR RM G RUMOUR ST E RUMOUR ST T RUMOUR. A L I F E STID.
I'm guessing u meant to type 6.00 PM? What was the outcome?
No , just a piztake at all the posters claiming luke is off too here or there. Lets be honest , have either club said anything??. The only statement i have heard of late was Mr Reed's and he stated ,, no offers have been recieved and no players will be let go unless the manager says so. At present i have no reason but to believe the man and will wait for the next club statement. I have already purchased my season ticket to SUPPORT SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB next season not just one or two who work there.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: All you DRAMA QUEENS out there......CALM DOWN and wait for this afternoon's press meeting due to start at 6.00 A M TODAY. IN GOAL B RUMOUR LB O RUMOUR CB L RUMOUR CB L RUMOUR RB I RUMOUR LM C RUMOUR CM K RUMOUR CM S RUMOUR RM G RUMOUR ST E RUMOUR ST T RUMOUR. A L I F E STID.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing u meant to type 6.00 PM? What was the outcome?[/p][/quote]No , just a piztake at all the posters claiming luke is off too here or there. Lets be honest , have either club said anything??. The only statement i have heard of late was Mr Reed's and he stated ,, no offers have been recieved and no players will be let go unless the manager says so. At present i have no reason but to believe the man and will wait for the next club statement. I have already purchased my season ticket to SUPPORT SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB next season not just one or two who work there. hedge end bob
  • Score: 3

2:12am Fri 23 May 14

andoru says...

up saints wrote:
if that plonker osvaldo is worth £15 mil shaw and llalana should be worth £150 each
I hope the club values them at a little more than 150 quid.
[quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: if that plonker osvaldo is worth £15 mil shaw and llalana should be worth £150 each[/p][/quote]I hope the club values them at a little more than 150 quid. andoru
  • Score: 5

2:23am Fri 23 May 14

andoru says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
It's a ridiculous argument to even try and pretend that Liverpool and Manchester United aren't bigger and more successful clubs than us. We are like the rest of the mid table teams who can't compete with them and other clubs (Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea and even Spurs) when it comes to player salaries.

Where we do have the advantage is that they can earn good money and play regularly, I very much doubt if Luke and Adam would have even made the England squad had they been at a top 4 club last season, as their chances to impress would have been greatly reduced due to the lack of playing time.
As is often the case in life as well as in football it's all about being in the right place at the right time. If we had signed Buttner when we were first after him, and if Danny Fox had been Prem standard, then Luke would not even have made the bench. To be fair it's then all about taking the chance. Though he did make a few mistakes he didn't really look out of place. If it's true he's off to Manure for £27million then the club obviously thinks that is a good deal. I'd have to agree with them but it would be nice if a player who has got where he is today because of the Saints, showed a bit more loyalty and gratitude.
It's the last point there that irks me the most. Saints are seen as a "big club" at youth level, but not beyond. Youngsters know that with us they'll have more chance to break through than with a "big team", then get noticed by the big teams and transfer across. They don't see Saints as a big club at first-team level. I'm starting to think there should be a rule that any homegrown player promoted to first-team level can't be transferred in their first three seasons or something. They should be held to a commitment in return for the opportunities given and investment made in them by the parent club. It would benefit everyone – the player gets regular football and the club gets a return on the pitch, which is what they really want from them. Of course, this will never happen, and people will point to all the players we develop who we let go, but at least they are released and free to find a new contract, and it's the club's decision. It's understood as a trainee that there is no guarantee of a contract at the end of it, so it's less of an issue than a contracted first-teamer wanting out. When big-spending rivals set about weakening another team by corrupting youngsters with promises of big wages, the club is almost helpless these days to resist.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: It's a ridiculous argument to even try and pretend that Liverpool and Manchester United aren't bigger and more successful clubs than us. We are like the rest of the mid table teams who can't compete with them and other clubs (Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea and even Spurs) when it comes to player salaries. Where we do have the advantage is that they can earn good money and play regularly, I very much doubt if Luke and Adam would have even made the England squad had they been at a top 4 club last season, as their chances to impress would have been greatly reduced due to the lack of playing time.[/p][/quote]As is often the case in life as well as in football it's all about being in the right place at the right time. If we had signed Buttner when we were first after him, and if Danny Fox had been Prem standard, then Luke would not even have made the bench. To be fair it's then all about taking the chance. Though he did make a few mistakes he didn't really look out of place. If it's true he's off to Manure for £27million then the club obviously thinks that is a good deal. I'd have to agree with them but it would be nice if a player who has got where he is today because of the Saints, showed a bit more loyalty and gratitude.[/p][/quote]It's the last point there that irks me the most. Saints are seen as a "big club" at youth level, but not beyond. Youngsters know that with us they'll have more chance to break through than with a "big team", then get noticed by the big teams and transfer across. They don't see Saints as a big club at first-team level. I'm starting to think there should be a rule that any homegrown player promoted to first-team level can't be transferred in their first three seasons or something. They should be held to a commitment in return for the opportunities given and investment made in them by the parent club. It would benefit everyone – the player gets regular football and the club gets a return on the pitch, which is what they really want from them. Of course, this will never happen, and people will point to all the players we develop who we let go, but at least they are released and free to find a new contract, and it's the club's decision. It's understood as a trainee that there is no guarantee of a contract at the end of it, so it's less of an issue than a contracted first-teamer wanting out. When big-spending rivals set about weakening another team by corrupting youngsters with promises of big wages, the club is almost helpless these days to resist. andoru
  • Score: 3

6:49am Fri 23 May 14

pjwiggy says...

papers don't always get things right, they have to sell papers to make money,
some comments could be true,
but most are made up, so don't believe all you read,
coyr
papers don't always get things right, they have to sell papers to make money, some comments could be true, but most are made up, so don't believe all you read, coyr pjwiggy
  • Score: 1

6:54am Fri 23 May 14

Blackknight says...

Daily Mail, "Southampton want to sign Manchester City winger Scott Sinclair for £3million".
Daily Mail, "Southampton want to sign Manchester City winger Scott Sinclair for £3million". Blackknight
  • Score: 0

7:01am Fri 23 May 14

Chipster says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Saint Surrey wrote:
M.U.CS1 wrote:
You saints fans need to get real, even if your chairman has loads of money, so what, your players and every decent player wants to play for top teams, how can you blame them ? You have had one good season and fair play, but you are a long way short of being a Liverpool or MAN.UTD , these teams are known worldwide and have won loads of trophy's, have you lot ever won a trophy ?
Yes, The FA Cup - guess who the beaten finalist was!!! BTW, how many trophies did Manu win in Fergies first few years. It doesn't give you a god given right to be there forever
Wow, one F.A. Cup trophy in your whole history, well done ? Even your rivals Portsmouth have won more trophy's than you lot !
There is a strong smell of rotten fish emanating from this troll, could be the tides out and left this Skunt floundering!
I hear that your cabbage patch of a pitch is being relayed, perhaps it would be wiser to find another location to park your horse-drawn caravans! Good luck for next season Swampy, you'll need it!.................
...................
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Surrey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: You saints fans need to get real, even if your chairman has loads of money, so what, your players and every decent player wants to play for top teams, how can you blame them ? You have had one good season and fair play, but you are a long way short of being a Liverpool or MAN.UTD , these teams are known worldwide and have won loads of trophy's, have you lot ever won a trophy ?[/p][/quote]Yes, The FA Cup - guess who the beaten finalist was!!! BTW, how many trophies did Manu win in Fergies first few years. It doesn't give you a god given right to be there forever[/p][/quote]Wow, one F.A. Cup trophy in your whole history, well done ? Even your rivals Portsmouth have won more trophy's than you lot ![/p][/quote]There is a strong smell of rotten fish emanating from this troll, could be the tides out and left this Skunt floundering! I hear that your cabbage patch of a pitch is being relayed, perhaps it would be wiser to find another location to park your horse-drawn caravans! Good luck for next season Swampy, you'll need it!................. ................... Chipster
  • Score: 1

7:27am Fri 23 May 14

zurichboy says...

Blackknight wrote:
Daily Mail, "Southampton want to sign Manchester City winger Scott Sinclair for £3million".
If this were remotely true and that's a big if, who on earth would be sanctioning the deal.....Mo Po, Rafa Benitez, Neil Lennon or the Tea Lady.....
[quote][p][bold]Blackknight[/bold] wrote: Daily Mail, "Southampton want to sign Manchester City winger Scott Sinclair for £3million".[/p][/quote]If this were remotely true and that's a big if, who on earth would be sanctioning the deal.....Mo Po, Rafa Benitez, Neil Lennon or the Tea Lady..... zurichboy
  • Score: 2

8:25am Fri 23 May 14

Clever Dick says...

zurichboy wrote:
Blackknight wrote:
Daily Mail, "Southampton want to sign Manchester City winger Scott Sinclair for £3million".
If this were remotely true and that's a big if, who on earth would be sanctioning the deal.....Mo Po, Rafa Benitez, Neil Lennon or the Tea Lady.....
Les Reed
[quote][p][bold]zurichboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackknight[/bold] wrote: Daily Mail, "Southampton want to sign Manchester City winger Scott Sinclair for £3million".[/p][/quote]If this were remotely true and that's a big if, who on earth would be sanctioning the deal.....Mo Po, Rafa Benitez, Neil Lennon or the Tea Lady.....[/p][/quote]Les Reed Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

1:40pm Fri 23 May 14

LFCalways says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Dear Liverpuddle. Our multi billionairess owner doesn't want to accept your paltry £20million bid for Adam. The price is £30million. Can't you afford it? Pay up or shut up. P.S. It's rumoured you want Dejan as well. You can't afford him either .
Clever Dick what a load of c""" you talk........ you need to do your research, your multi billionaires are selling your team lol........ same old same old saints a selling team, so there goes your ambitious again like every 2-3 seasons and your 5 yr plan, are you still going to buy your season ticket?? :)
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Dear Liverpuddle. Our multi billionairess owner doesn't want to accept your paltry £20million bid for Adam. The price is £30million. Can't you afford it? Pay up or shut up. P.S. It's rumoured you want Dejan as well. You can't afford him either .[/p][/quote]Clever Dick what a load of c""" you talk........ you need to do your research, your multi billionaires are selling your team lol........ same old same old saints a selling team, so there goes your ambitious again like every 2-3 seasons and your 5 yr plan, are you still going to buy your season ticket?? :) LFCalways
  • Score: 0

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