Lovren at centre of controversy as Brazil come from behind to beat Croatia in World Cup opener

Daily Echo: Fred theatricallyfalls to win a penalty with Saints defender Dejan Lovren behind him Fred theatricallyfalls to win a penalty with Saints defender Dejan Lovren behind him

SAINTS wantaway defender Dejan Lovren was at the centre of controversy as Brazil started their World Cup campaign with victory over Croatia tonight.

Brazil won 3-1 after coming from behind, but their decisive second goal was a dubious penalty awarded for an alleged foul by Lovren on Fred.

But television replays showed Lovren - who has handed in a transfer request at Saints - hardly touched the striker.

Japanese referee Yuichi Nishimura awarded the softest of spot-kicks, dispatched by Neymar for his second goal of the game despite keeper Stipe Pletikosa getting his fingers to it.

Croatia had had the impertinence to take the game to the hosts - and score first courtesy of an own goal by Marcelo.

But the drive of Brazil not to fail on such an occasion proved decisive.

This was a game brimming with breathtaking technical skill, and not just from Brazil.

All eyes had been on the green and gold shirts in the days beforehand, but inspired by Luka Modric, it was those in red and white checks who had by far the better of the opening exchanges.

Croatia, displaying their own technical gifts, gave fair warning when Ivan Perisic's perceptive cross was met by his Wolfsburg team-mate Ivica Olic with a powerful downward header. Brazil held its collective breath but it bounced up past the angle.

That relief turned to dismay in the 11th minute as Olic took advantage of some wide open space down the left to fire in a cross that nicked off Nikica Jelavic's instep and bounced off the bewildered Marcelo to roll into the net.

This started to look serious: Brazil, the only country to play in every World Cup, were in danger of becoming the first host nation to lose their opening match unless it raised its game.

As it turned out, the shock of going behind was electrifying. Brazil began to attacked with gusto, Neymar's wonderful feet at the centre of the action.

The influence of Chelsea's Oscar began to grow, and his dangerous cross hung temptingly in the air but Neymar's acrobatic attempt failed to make the right contact.

Oscar then tried himself, bringing a terrific save from Stipe Pletikosa as the ball seemed to be curling into his top right-hand corner.

It was time for Neymar to take centre stage, after being only booked for what looked a forearm smash on Modric, he struck the equaliser in the 29th minute. Oscar was deeply involved in the build-up and though it may not have been the cleanest strike Neymar has ever hit, his shot went through the legs of a defender and in off the post.

The darkening skies around the Arena Corinthians lit up as a nation celebrated.

Croatia's touch deserted them, the task suddenly seemed too daunting, and there was a heady air of expectation among the home fans.

Into the second half and Brazil took a more patient approach, putting Croatia under increasing pressure.

Dani Alves fired a free-kick too high after Vedran Corluka had crudely chopped down Neymar, then Oscar picked out David Luiz but he couldn't keep his header down.

Then came the controversy.

Fred manoeuvred for the ball in the Croatia penalty area, and Lovren laid barely a finger on his shoulder for the Brazil striker to fling himself down for a penalty Neymar converted.

Croatia tried to respond, and had the ball in the net only for Olic to be penalised for a hefty challenge on keeper Julio Cesar, and it was left to Oscar to surprise Pletikosa with a steered finish with the toe of his boot to send the hosts into raptures.

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11:21pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

That'll teach him!
That'll teach him! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 8

11:51pm Thu 12 Jun 14

steekeemcglue says...

hope you perform better with your new "big" club Mr Lovren.... LOL.....
hope you perform better with your new "big" club Mr Lovren.... LOL..... steekeemcglue
  • Score: 6

12:30am Fri 13 Jun 14

search for the truth says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
hope you perform better with your new "big" club Mr Lovren.... LOL.....
Heres one manager you won't be signing.

Everton might be rivals to Liverpool , but they are still a mighty fine Merseyside team.

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Roberto Martinez rewarded for fine debut season with new five-year contract
• Jun 12, 2014 22:00

Blues boss has put pen to paper on lucrative fresh terms which will keep him at Goodison until 2019
Roberto Martinez has been rewarded for his remarkable first season at Everton FC with a new five-year contract to keep him at Goodison until 2019.
The Blues boss has put pen to paper on lucrative fresh terms which extend his previous deal, that still had three years remaining on it, by a further two years.
Everton only unveiled the 40-year-old as David Moyes' successor a little over 12 months ago, but after a whirlwind first campaign in charge which saw them finish fifth with a record Premier League points total, Bill Kenwright was eager to extend his tenure.
Now Martinez, who is currently in Brazil where he is analysing World Cup games for TV, has a further mandate to lead the club into an exciting new era; with Champions League football and an over-due addition to the Goodison trophy cabinet high on his agenda.
And the Catalan immediately set his sights on creating more special memories in the 2014/15 season.
Speaking just hours after signing he said: “I am delighted to have been given the opportunity to make a further commitment to Everton. I loved my first season at the club.
“I could not be more proud of the way Everton performed throughout the entire season and the memories we were able to make together.
“I am really excited about next season."
Martinez added that he quickly felt at home on Merseyside, after leaving former club Wigan Athletic with an FA Cup winner's medal last summer.
He added: "I knew from the moment I arrived at Everton that this was a special place and I’d like to thank everyone associated with the club, the board, all the staff, the players and our brilliant supporters for believing in me and giving me the opportunity to build on the traditions and success of this great club.”
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: hope you perform better with your new "big" club Mr Lovren.... LOL.....[/p][/quote]Heres one manager you won't be signing. Everton might be rivals to Liverpool , but they are still a mighty fine Merseyside team. -------- Roberto Martinez rewarded for fine debut season with new five-year contract • Jun 12, 2014 22:00 Blues boss has put pen to paper on lucrative fresh terms which will keep him at Goodison until 2019 Roberto Martinez has been rewarded for his remarkable first season at Everton FC with a new five-year contract to keep him at Goodison until 2019. The Blues boss has put pen to paper on lucrative fresh terms which extend his previous deal, that still had three years remaining on it, by a further two years. Everton only unveiled the 40-year-old as David Moyes' successor a little over 12 months ago, but after a whirlwind first campaign in charge which saw them finish fifth with a record Premier League points total, Bill Kenwright was eager to extend his tenure. Now Martinez, who is currently in Brazil where he is analysing World Cup games for TV, has a further mandate to lead the club into an exciting new era; with Champions League football and an over-due addition to the Goodison trophy cabinet high on his agenda. And the Catalan immediately set his sights on creating more special memories in the 2014/15 season. Speaking just hours after signing he said: “I am delighted to have been given the opportunity to make a further commitment to Everton. I loved my first season at the club. “I could not be more proud of the way Everton performed throughout the entire season and the memories we were able to make together. “I am really excited about next season." Martinez added that he quickly felt at home on Merseyside, after leaving former club Wigan Athletic with an FA Cup winner's medal last summer. He added: "I knew from the moment I arrived at Everton that this was a special place and I’d like to thank everyone associated with the club, the board, all the staff, the players and our brilliant supporters for believing in me and giving me the opportunity to build on the traditions and success of this great club.” search for the truth
  • Score: -9

12:58am Fri 13 Jun 14

el caballo santos101 says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
hope you perform better with your new "big" club Mr Lovren.... LOL.....
He actually he an excellent game!
If you think for 1 minute that that was a penalty then we will see 10 penalties a game from now on!
The ref obviously got it terribly wrong as he did when he should have sent neymar off for the elbow!
A ref favouring a home team in the opening game of the world cup, that locals have been rioting about, on 2 major decisions? Now theres a conspiracy theory!
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: hope you perform better with your new "big" club Mr Lovren.... LOL.....[/p][/quote]He actually he an excellent game! If you think for 1 minute that that was a penalty then we will see 10 penalties a game from now on! The ref obviously got it terribly wrong as he did when he should have sent neymar off for the elbow! A ref favouring a home team in the opening game of the world cup, that locals have been rioting about, on 2 major decisions? Now theres a conspiracy theory! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 9

1:19am Fri 13 Jun 14

andoru says...

search for the truth wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
hope you perform better with your new "big" club Mr Lovren.... LOL.....
Heres one manager you won't be signing.

Everton might be rivals to Liverpool , but they are still a mighty fine Merseyside team.

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Roberto Martinez rewarded for fine debut season with new five-year contract
• Jun 12, 2014 22:00

Blues boss has put pen to paper on lucrative fresh terms which will keep him at Goodison until 2019
Roberto Martinez has been rewarded for his remarkable first season at Everton FC with a new five-year contract to keep him at Goodison until 2019.
The Blues boss has put pen to paper on lucrative fresh terms which extend his previous deal, that still had three years remaining on it, by a further two years.
Everton only unveiled the 40-year-old as David Moyes' successor a little over 12 months ago, but after a whirlwind first campaign in charge which saw them finish fifth with a record Premier League points total, Bill Kenwright was eager to extend his tenure.
Now Martinez, who is currently in Brazil where he is analysing World Cup games for TV, has a further mandate to lead the club into an exciting new era; with Champions League football and an over-due addition to the Goodison trophy cabinet high on his agenda.
And the Catalan immediately set his sights on creating more special memories in the 2014/15 season.
Speaking just hours after signing he said: “I am delighted to have been given the opportunity to make a further commitment to Everton. I loved my first season at the club.
“I could not be more proud of the way Everton performed throughout the entire season and the memories we were able to make together.
“I am really excited about next season."
Martinez added that he quickly felt at home on Merseyside, after leaving former club Wigan Athletic with an FA Cup winner's medal last summer.
He added: "I knew from the moment I arrived at Everton that this was a special place and I’d like to thank everyone associated with the club, the board, all the staff, the players and our brilliant supporters for believing in me and giving me the opportunity to build on the traditions and success of this great club.”
???

Great for Everton, but how is this relevant to Saints exactly?
[quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: hope you perform better with your new "big" club Mr Lovren.... LOL.....[/p][/quote]Heres one manager you won't be signing. Everton might be rivals to Liverpool , but they are still a mighty fine Merseyside team. -------- Roberto Martinez rewarded for fine debut season with new five-year contract • Jun 12, 2014 22:00 Blues boss has put pen to paper on lucrative fresh terms which will keep him at Goodison until 2019 Roberto Martinez has been rewarded for his remarkable first season at Everton FC with a new five-year contract to keep him at Goodison until 2019. The Blues boss has put pen to paper on lucrative fresh terms which extend his previous deal, that still had three years remaining on it, by a further two years. Everton only unveiled the 40-year-old as David Moyes' successor a little over 12 months ago, but after a whirlwind first campaign in charge which saw them finish fifth with a record Premier League points total, Bill Kenwright was eager to extend his tenure. Now Martinez, who is currently in Brazil where he is analysing World Cup games for TV, has a further mandate to lead the club into an exciting new era; with Champions League football and an over-due addition to the Goodison trophy cabinet high on his agenda. And the Catalan immediately set his sights on creating more special memories in the 2014/15 season. Speaking just hours after signing he said: “I am delighted to have been given the opportunity to make a further commitment to Everton. I loved my first season at the club. “I could not be more proud of the way Everton performed throughout the entire season and the memories we were able to make together. “I am really excited about next season." Martinez added that he quickly felt at home on Merseyside, after leaving former club Wigan Athletic with an FA Cup winner's medal last summer. He added: "I knew from the moment I arrived at Everton that this was a special place and I’d like to thank everyone associated with the club, the board, all the staff, the players and our brilliant supporters for believing in me and giving me the opportunity to build on the traditions and success of this great club.”[/p][/quote]??? Great for Everton, but how is this relevant to Saints exactly? andoru
  • Score: 8

6:28am Fri 13 Jun 14

Bazultra says...

Lovren had a good game but shouldnt have had his arms on Neymar at all. I think if you grab a player or put your arms around a player you should be punished after all it is FOOTBALL. I get cheesed off with all the antics that spoil the beautiful game.
Lovren had a good game but shouldnt have had his arms on Neymar at all. I think if you grab a player or put your arms around a player you should be punished after all it is FOOTBALL. I get cheesed off with all the antics that spoil the beautiful game. Bazultra
  • Score: -4

6:29am Fri 13 Jun 14

Chapperall says...

Brazil were not as good as they were made out to be and Croatia were the better team the first half. The penalty was a game changer and was a soft one. Lovren actually had a good game and was unlucky with the penalty.
We should hang on to him as he is class and still young enough to improve.
I just can't see a new manager agreeing for him to go especially as he had years left on his contract.
We actually need another CB not let one leave as Hoover is not up to it.
Brazil were not as good as they were made out to be and Croatia were the better team the first half. The penalty was a game changer and was a soft one. Lovren actually had a good game and was unlucky with the penalty. We should hang on to him as he is class and still young enough to improve. I just can't see a new manager agreeing for him to go especially as he had years left on his contract. We actually need another CB not let one leave as Hoover is not up to it. Chapperall
  • Score: 5

6:43am Fri 13 Jun 14

Crossley Place Saint says...

The penalty decision was a disgrace. Lovren has his hands on Fred's shoulders. If he was pulling/pushing him enough for a penalty then Fred would fall over from the top downwards, as it were, starting with his feet on the ground. Instead, he shoots his feet out and falls down vertically. That was a premeditated dive.

However Lovren did not exactly cover himself with glory in the rest of the game. The shot for the first goal went through his legs. For the third goal, he failed to make a decisive tackle as Oscar prepared to shoot. People say that our players will be more valuable after the World Cup but I reckon Lovren's value in the transfer market went down quite a bit last night.
The penalty decision was a disgrace. Lovren has his hands on Fred's shoulders. If he was pulling/pushing him enough for a penalty then Fred would fall over from the top downwards, as it were, starting with his feet on the ground. Instead, he shoots his feet out and falls down vertically. That was a premeditated dive. However Lovren did not exactly cover himself with glory in the rest of the game. The shot for the first goal went through his legs. For the third goal, he failed to make a decisive tackle as Oscar prepared to shoot. People say that our players will be more valuable after the World Cup but I reckon Lovren's value in the transfer market went down quite a bit last night. Crossley Place Saint
  • Score: 1

6:51am Fri 13 Jun 14

Bingo from Sholing says...

Chapperall wrote:
Brazil were not as good as they were made out to be and Croatia were the better team the first half. The penalty was a game changer and was a soft one. Lovren actually had a good game and was unlucky with the penalty.
We should hang on to him as he is class and still young enough to improve.
I just can't see a new manager agreeing for him to go especially as he had years left on his contract.
We actually need another CB not let one leave as Hoover is not up to it.
There should be loyalty clauses in contracts to discourage players and their registered agents from making disloyal remarks to he Press. If broken, the fines should be very substantial. Saints' supporters deserve better from the players that they have loyally supported. We were looking forward to seeing our players in the World Cup, ("we're off to Brazil we sang"), some of our players have treated us verydisloyally.
[quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Brazil were not as good as they were made out to be and Croatia were the better team the first half. The penalty was a game changer and was a soft one. Lovren actually had a good game and was unlucky with the penalty. We should hang on to him as he is class and still young enough to improve. I just can't see a new manager agreeing for him to go especially as he had years left on his contract. We actually need another CB not let one leave as Hoover is not up to it.[/p][/quote]There should be loyalty clauses in contracts to discourage players and their registered agents from making disloyal remarks to he Press. If broken, the fines should be very substantial. Saints' supporters deserve better from the players that they have loyally supported. We were looking forward to seeing our players in the World Cup, ("we're off to Brazil we sang"), some of our players have treated us verydisloyally. Bingo from Sholing
  • Score: 13

7:21am Fri 13 Jun 14

saint christopher says...

In one sense felt sorry for Lovren and Croatia - did not deserve to lose. Just hope last night doesn't set the referring standard for the rest of the tournament.

At the same time I felt strangely dispassionate about another of our players being on the world stage. His definite transfer request hurts more deeply than other players being allegedly unsettled as the result of reputed huge offers. He's put himself in same bracket as Potch - no real reason to go except for wanting a "bigger" club and the greater possibility of CL football. Shame.
In one sense felt sorry for Lovren and Croatia - did not deserve to lose. Just hope last night doesn't set the referring standard for the rest of the tournament. At the same time I felt strangely dispassionate about another of our players being on the world stage. His definite transfer request hurts more deeply than other players being allegedly unsettled as the result of reputed huge offers. He's put himself in same bracket as Potch - no real reason to go except for wanting a "bigger" club and the greater possibility of CL football. Shame. saint christopher
  • Score: 4

7:28am Fri 13 Jun 14

noodlesnewman says...

andoru wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
hope you perform better with your new "big" club Mr Lovren.... LOL.....
Heres one manager you won't be signing.

Everton might be rivals to Liverpool , but they are still a mighty fine Merseyside team.

--------

Roberto Martinez rewarded for fine debut season with new five-year contract
• Jun 12, 2014 22:00

Blues boss has put pen to paper on lucrative fresh terms which will keep him at Goodison until 2019
Roberto Martinez has been rewarded for his remarkable first season at Everton FC with a new five-year contract to keep him at Goodison until 2019.
The Blues boss has put pen to paper on lucrative fresh terms which extend his previous deal, that still had three years remaining on it, by a further two years.
Everton only unveiled the 40-year-old as David Moyes' successor a little over 12 months ago, but after a whirlwind first campaign in charge which saw them finish fifth with a record Premier League points total, Bill Kenwright was eager to extend his tenure.
Now Martinez, who is currently in Brazil where he is analysing World Cup games for TV, has a further mandate to lead the club into an exciting new era; with Champions League football and an over-due addition to the Goodison trophy cabinet high on his agenda.
And the Catalan immediately set his sights on creating more special memories in the 2014/15 season.
Speaking just hours after signing he said: “I am delighted to have been given the opportunity to make a further commitment to Everton. I loved my first season at the club.
“I could not be more proud of the way Everton performed throughout the entire season and the memories we were able to make together.
“I am really excited about next season."
Martinez added that he quickly felt at home on Merseyside, after leaving former club Wigan Athletic with an FA Cup winner's medal last summer.
He added: "I knew from the moment I arrived at Everton that this was a special place and I’d like to thank everyone associated with the club, the board, all the staff, the players and our brilliant supporters for believing in me and giving me the opportunity to build on the traditions and success of this great club.”
???

Great for Everton, but how is this relevant to Saints exactly?
hey , search for your brain what are you going on about ?
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: hope you perform better with your new "big" club Mr Lovren.... LOL.....[/p][/quote]Heres one manager you won't be signing. Everton might be rivals to Liverpool , but they are still a mighty fine Merseyside team. -------- Roberto Martinez rewarded for fine debut season with new five-year contract • Jun 12, 2014 22:00 Blues boss has put pen to paper on lucrative fresh terms which will keep him at Goodison until 2019 Roberto Martinez has been rewarded for his remarkable first season at Everton FC with a new five-year contract to keep him at Goodison until 2019. The Blues boss has put pen to paper on lucrative fresh terms which extend his previous deal, that still had three years remaining on it, by a further two years. Everton only unveiled the 40-year-old as David Moyes' successor a little over 12 months ago, but after a whirlwind first campaign in charge which saw them finish fifth with a record Premier League points total, Bill Kenwright was eager to extend his tenure. Now Martinez, who is currently in Brazil where he is analysing World Cup games for TV, has a further mandate to lead the club into an exciting new era; with Champions League football and an over-due addition to the Goodison trophy cabinet high on his agenda. And the Catalan immediately set his sights on creating more special memories in the 2014/15 season. Speaking just hours after signing he said: “I am delighted to have been given the opportunity to make a further commitment to Everton. I loved my first season at the club. “I could not be more proud of the way Everton performed throughout the entire season and the memories we were able to make together. “I am really excited about next season." Martinez added that he quickly felt at home on Merseyside, after leaving former club Wigan Athletic with an FA Cup winner's medal last summer. He added: "I knew from the moment I arrived at Everton that this was a special place and I’d like to thank everyone associated with the club, the board, all the staff, the players and our brilliant supporters for believing in me and giving me the opportunity to build on the traditions and success of this great club.”[/p][/quote]??? Great for Everton, but how is this relevant to Saints exactly?[/p][/quote]hey , search for your brain what are you going on about ? noodlesnewman
  • Score: 0

7:36am Fri 13 Jun 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

Bazultra wrote:
Lovren had a good game but shouldnt have had his arms on Neymar at all. I think if you grab a player or put your arms around a player you should be punished after all it is FOOTBALL. I get cheesed off with all the antics that spoil the beautiful game.
Lol, it was Fred not Neymar and he didn't have his arms round him. Watch the replays.
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Lovren had a good game but shouldnt have had his arms on Neymar at all. I think if you grab a player or put your arms around a player you should be punished after all it is FOOTBALL. I get cheesed off with all the antics that spoil the beautiful game.[/p][/quote]Lol, it was Fred not Neymar and he didn't have his arms round him. Watch the replays. Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 3

7:52am Fri 13 Jun 14

pitbull says...

It felt quite weird watching the Brazil game, I wanted Lovren to do well but also wanted him to mess up. I laughed when the penalty was awarded against him but then wanted him to score at the other end.
It's an emotional rollercoaster being a Saints fan.

As for the penalty itself, Fred cheated, simple as.
It's the one thing in football that really irritates me, cheats. Over the last couple of seasons we've been on the end of some real dodgy decisions.

The only way to stop it is for the FA to look at the incident after the game. If it's obvious that a player has cheated he should be fined, banned for 3 games and the club heavily fined as well.
If the FA were to bring in these rules,players like Suarez would play a game, miss 3 games and be bankrupt by the end of the season.
It felt quite weird watching the Brazil game, I wanted Lovren to do well but also wanted him to mess up. I laughed when the penalty was awarded against him but then wanted him to score at the other end. It's an emotional rollercoaster being a Saints fan. As for the penalty itself, Fred cheated, simple as. It's the one thing in football that really irritates me, cheats. Over the last couple of seasons we've been on the end of some real dodgy decisions. The only way to stop it is for the FA to look at the incident after the game. If it's obvious that a player has cheated he should be fined, banned for 3 games and the club heavily fined as well. If the FA were to bring in these rules,players like Suarez would play a game, miss 3 games and be bankrupt by the end of the season. pitbull
  • Score: 10

8:35am Fri 13 Jun 14

cotswoldsaint says...

Like many, I have been a big fan of Lovren and appreciated the excellent job he did for us last season. However, his transfer request and the grounds on which it was made, have left a bitter taste. As a result, if he remains with Saints, he'll have his work cut out to restore fans' confidence in him. Most supporters would prefer players who want to play for our team, not mercenaries out for the next big pay day at so-called bigger clubs. Sadly, that seems to be a fact of life in football ( at least in the upper echelons) nowadays, a sport apparently mired in greed, corruption and disloyalty, while values such as fidelity and honesty are pushed to the margins. It's a sorry state of affairs but one that doesn't look likely to change any time soon. In the meantime, we fans will continue to support whoever plays for our team ( it's what we do) but we will no longer be able to have any faith in the unwavering loyalty of the players to the cause. Maybe it was always like this and it is just the scale of what we have been experiencing from "our" players in recent weeks that has brought this into such sharp relief. Whatever happens; who goes, who stays, who comes in, Saints fans will have endured a salutary lesson in modern-day football "ethics". After the excellent season we had, it's all been a bit of a sobering experience. Still, there's always next season to look forward to...
Like many, I have been a big fan of Lovren and appreciated the excellent job he did for us last season. However, his transfer request and the grounds on which it was made, have left a bitter taste. As a result, if he remains with Saints, he'll have his work cut out to restore fans' confidence in him. Most supporters would prefer players who want to play for our team, not mercenaries out for the next big pay day at so-called bigger clubs. Sadly, that seems to be a fact of life in football ( at least in the upper echelons) nowadays, a sport apparently mired in greed, corruption and disloyalty, while values such as fidelity and honesty are pushed to the margins. It's a sorry state of affairs but one that doesn't look likely to change any time soon. In the meantime, we fans will continue to support whoever plays for our team ( it's what we do) but we will no longer be able to have any faith in the unwavering loyalty of the players to the cause. Maybe it was always like this and it is just the scale of what we have been experiencing from "our" players in recent weeks that has brought this into such sharp relief. Whatever happens; who goes, who stays, who comes in, Saints fans will have endured a salutary lesson in modern-day football "ethics". After the excellent season we had, it's all been a bit of a sobering experience. Still, there's always next season to look forward to... cotswoldsaint
  • Score: 4

8:42am Fri 13 Jun 14

Saint_rob says...

Clearly a penalty!
Liverpool you are welcome to him.
That will be £15,000,000 cash thank you.
Clearly a penalty! Liverpool you are welcome to him. That will be £15,000,000 cash thank you. Saint_rob
  • Score: -1

9:08am Fri 13 Jun 14

el caballo santos101 says...

pitbull wrote:
It felt quite weird watching the Brazil game, I wanted Lovren to do well but also wanted him to mess up. I laughed when the penalty was awarded against him but then wanted him to score at the other end.
It's an emotional rollercoaster being a Saints fan.

As for the penalty itself, Fred cheated, simple as.
It's the one thing in football that really irritates me, cheats. Over the last couple of seasons we've been on the end of some real dodgy decisions.

The only way to stop it is for the FA to look at the incident after the game. If it's obvious that a player has cheated he should be fined, banned for 3 games and the club heavily fined as well.
If the FA were to bring in these rules,players like Suarez would play a game, miss 3 games and be bankrupt by the end of the season.
I'm with you all the way pitbull banning players is the only way to go.
Why is it that, because it possibly alters the result, a defender is shown a red card for a professional foul. Yet a forward who throws himself to the ground to win a penalty, and sometimes get a defender sent off, is given just a yellow if the ref sees it? A dive like last nights affected the result more than a professional foul 30yards from goal would have. Fred should be banned for the remainder of the group stage, but we all know that isn't going to happen. Who can forget Rivaldo going down and clutching his face when the ball hit him on the knee? Brazil were winning that game and it was in the last few minutes. The other team (Turkey I think) then had the player who kicked the ball sent off. After seeing the replays FIFA should have banned him but instead gave him a fine (again I think it was around £5k). Such a small fine isn't a deterrent to someone who earns thousands a day!
Rivaldo cheated and Fred cheated, I find it regrettable that players of their standard should resort to cheating in these ways.
Lets not forget that the ref booked Dejan and he had to be extra careful for the rest of the game.
What I find worse though is commentators who say 'if theres any contact the player is in his rights to go down'. No hes not! Commentators excuse players behaviour because half of them are good mates with them and the rest want to get interviews.
Someone FIFA sort it out! Though with step ladder in charge I wont hold my breath.
[quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: It felt quite weird watching the Brazil game, I wanted Lovren to do well but also wanted him to mess up. I laughed when the penalty was awarded against him but then wanted him to score at the other end. It's an emotional rollercoaster being a Saints fan. As for the penalty itself, Fred cheated, simple as. It's the one thing in football that really irritates me, cheats. Over the last couple of seasons we've been on the end of some real dodgy decisions. The only way to stop it is for the FA to look at the incident after the game. If it's obvious that a player has cheated he should be fined, banned for 3 games and the club heavily fined as well. If the FA were to bring in these rules,players like Suarez would play a game, miss 3 games and be bankrupt by the end of the season.[/p][/quote]I'm with you all the way pitbull banning players is the only way to go. Why is it that, because it possibly alters the result, a defender is shown a red card for a professional foul. Yet a forward who throws himself to the ground to win a penalty, and sometimes get a defender sent off, is given just a yellow if the ref sees it? A dive like last nights affected the result more than a professional foul 30yards from goal would have. Fred should be banned for the remainder of the group stage, but we all know that isn't going to happen. Who can forget Rivaldo going down and clutching his face when the ball hit him on the knee? Brazil were winning that game and it was in the last few minutes. The other team (Turkey I think) then had the player who kicked the ball sent off. After seeing the replays FIFA should have banned him but instead gave him a fine (again I think it was around £5k). Such a small fine isn't a deterrent to someone who earns thousands a day! Rivaldo cheated and Fred cheated, I find it regrettable that players of their standard should resort to cheating in these ways. Lets not forget that the ref booked Dejan and he had to be extra careful for the rest of the game. What I find worse though is commentators who say 'if theres any contact the player is in his rights to go down'. No hes not! Commentators excuse players behaviour because half of them are good mates with them and the rest want to get interviews. Someone FIFA sort it out! Though with step ladder in charge I wont hold my breath. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 3

9:22am Fri 13 Jun 14

pitbull says...

It's also good that in recent times cheating hasn't been seen from Saints players.
If any of our players were to go down cheaply and gain an advantage I wouldn't hesitate to show my feelings.

If you win by foul means, does it make you a winner, not in my mind.
It's also good that in recent times cheating hasn't been seen from Saints players. If any of our players were to go down cheaply and gain an advantage I wouldn't hesitate to show my feelings. If you win by foul means, does it make you a winner, not in my mind. pitbull
  • Score: 4

10:37am Fri 13 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

pitbull wrote:
It's also good that in recent times cheating hasn't been seen from Saints players.
If any of our players were to go down cheaply and gain an advantage I wouldn't hesitate to show my feelings.

If you win by foul means, does it make you a winner, not in my mind.
Seem to remember Villa being slightly annoyed at J-Rod not that long ago. Still. You're right though and I think that's why Pele will be remembered as the greatest over Maradona, and, if Messi does it at this world cup, why he'll have the edge over Ronaldo in peoples' memories.

What a shame that the likes of Lovren, Luke and Adam seem to have already lost that wide-eyed innocence of being care-free when being given the opportunity to play at a world cup.

Can't help thinking that their potential of setting the competition alight would be far greater if they had continued to feel blessed for being there rather than seeing it as somehow meaning they'd 'made it' and deserved better. I think they are blind to this because they are surrounded by big egos, but it will be to their detriment unless they snap out of it.
[quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: It's also good that in recent times cheating hasn't been seen from Saints players. If any of our players were to go down cheaply and gain an advantage I wouldn't hesitate to show my feelings. If you win by foul means, does it make you a winner, not in my mind.[/p][/quote]Seem to remember Villa being slightly annoyed at J-Rod not that long ago. Still. You're right though and I think that's why Pele will be remembered as the greatest over Maradona, and, if Messi does it at this world cup, why he'll have the edge over Ronaldo in peoples' memories. What a shame that the likes of Lovren, Luke and Adam seem to have already lost that wide-eyed innocence of being care-free when being given the opportunity to play at a world cup. Can't help thinking that their potential of setting the competition alight would be far greater if they had continued to feel blessed for being there rather than seeing it as somehow meaning they'd 'made it' and deserved better. I think they are blind to this because they are surrounded by big egos, but it will be to their detriment unless they snap out of it. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

10:49am Fri 13 Jun 14

50 Years A Supporter says...

After the bad timing of Lovren's transfer request it was difficult for me to support him last night! As for the pemalty I am sorry but if you grab an opponent's shoulder and pull him back its a penalty for me. All this rubbish about soft penalty! It is either a foul or not. Perhaps justice for treating Saints badly!
After the bad timing of Lovren's transfer request it was difficult for me to support him last night! As for the pemalty I am sorry but if you grab an opponent's shoulder and pull him back its a penalty for me. All this rubbish about soft penalty! It is either a foul or not. Perhaps justice for treating Saints badly! 50 Years A Supporter
  • Score: -5

1:15pm Fri 13 Jun 14

RefKen says...

Penalty awarded against Louvren was correct - he pulled Fred's shirt sufficient to upset Fred's balance, although Fred hen dived.
More serious though, Neymar should have been sent-off rather than given a yellow card. Try and see the slow-motion replay - his eyes never looked anywhere but the Croatia player's chin and throat, which he then struck cleanly with his elbow !
Penalty awarded against Louvren was correct - he pulled Fred's shirt sufficient to upset Fred's balance, although Fred hen dived. More serious though, Neymar should have been sent-off rather than given a yellow card. Try and see the slow-motion replay - his eyes never looked anywhere but the Croatia player's chin and throat, which he then struck cleanly with his elbow ! RefKen
  • Score: -1

3:13pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
pitbull wrote:
It felt quite weird watching the Brazil game, I wanted Lovren to do well but also wanted him to mess up. I laughed when the penalty was awarded against him but then wanted him to score at the other end.
It's an emotional rollercoaster being a Saints fan.

As for the penalty itself, Fred cheated, simple as.
It's the one thing in football that really irritates me, cheats. Over the last couple of seasons we've been on the end of some real dodgy decisions.

The only way to stop it is for the FA to look at the incident after the game. If it's obvious that a player has cheated he should be fined, banned for 3 games and the club heavily fined as well.
If the FA were to bring in these rules,players like Suarez would play a game, miss 3 games and be bankrupt by the end of the season.
I'm with you all the way pitbull banning players is the only way to go.
Why is it that, because it possibly alters the result, a defender is shown a red card for a professional foul. Yet a forward who throws himself to the ground to win a penalty, and sometimes get a defender sent off, is given just a yellow if the ref sees it? A dive like last nights affected the result more than a professional foul 30yards from goal would have. Fred should be banned for the remainder of the group stage, but we all know that isn't going to happen. Who can forget Rivaldo going down and clutching his face when the ball hit him on the knee? Brazil were winning that game and it was in the last few minutes. The other team (Turkey I think) then had the player who kicked the ball sent off. After seeing the replays FIFA should have banned him but instead gave him a fine (again I think it was around £5k). Such a small fine isn't a deterrent to someone who earns thousands a day!
Rivaldo cheated and Fred cheated, I find it regrettable that players of their standard should resort to cheating in these ways.
Lets not forget that the ref booked Dejan and he had to be extra careful for the rest of the game.
What I find worse though is commentators who say 'if theres any contact the player is in his rights to go down'. No hes not! Commentators excuse players behaviour because half of them are good mates with them and the rest want to get interviews.
Someone FIFA sort it out! Though with step ladder in charge I wont hold my breath.
Make that three of us in agreement.

Two things are ruining the beautiful game, money and cheating ......


............ and Sepp Blatter!



Sorry ...........




....... three things are ruining the beautiful game, money, cheating and Sepp Blatter ....................









....................
...... and a fanatical devotion to the Pope.

Oh, wait a minute, I think I've flipped into the wrong Monty Python sketch again.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: It felt quite weird watching the Brazil game, I wanted Lovren to do well but also wanted him to mess up. I laughed when the penalty was awarded against him but then wanted him to score at the other end. It's an emotional rollercoaster being a Saints fan. As for the penalty itself, Fred cheated, simple as. It's the one thing in football that really irritates me, cheats. Over the last couple of seasons we've been on the end of some real dodgy decisions. The only way to stop it is for the FA to look at the incident after the game. If it's obvious that a player has cheated he should be fined, banned for 3 games and the club heavily fined as well. If the FA were to bring in these rules,players like Suarez would play a game, miss 3 games and be bankrupt by the end of the season.[/p][/quote]I'm with you all the way pitbull banning players is the only way to go. Why is it that, because it possibly alters the result, a defender is shown a red card for a professional foul. Yet a forward who throws himself to the ground to win a penalty, and sometimes get a defender sent off, is given just a yellow if the ref sees it? A dive like last nights affected the result more than a professional foul 30yards from goal would have. Fred should be banned for the remainder of the group stage, but we all know that isn't going to happen. Who can forget Rivaldo going down and clutching his face when the ball hit him on the knee? Brazil were winning that game and it was in the last few minutes. The other team (Turkey I think) then had the player who kicked the ball sent off. After seeing the replays FIFA should have banned him but instead gave him a fine (again I think it was around £5k). Such a small fine isn't a deterrent to someone who earns thousands a day! Rivaldo cheated and Fred cheated, I find it regrettable that players of their standard should resort to cheating in these ways. Lets not forget that the ref booked Dejan and he had to be extra careful for the rest of the game. What I find worse though is commentators who say 'if theres any contact the player is in his rights to go down'. No hes not! Commentators excuse players behaviour because half of them are good mates with them and the rest want to get interviews. Someone FIFA sort it out! Though with step ladder in charge I wont hold my breath.[/p][/quote]Make that three of us in agreement. Two things are ruining the beautiful game, money and cheating ...... ............ and Sepp Blatter! Sorry ........... ....... three things are ruining the beautiful game, money, cheating and Sepp Blatter .................... .................... ...... and a fanatical devotion to the Pope. Oh, wait a minute, I think I've flipped into the wrong Monty Python sketch again. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 1

3:20pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

RefKen wrote:
Penalty awarded against Louvren was correct - he pulled Fred's shirt sufficient to upset Fred's balance, although Fred hen dived.
More serious though, Neymar should have been sent-off rather than given a yellow card. Try and see the slow-motion replay - his eyes never looked anywhere but the Croatia player's chin and throat, which he then struck cleanly with his elbow !
You have to feel for him. Penalty or no penalty (and on this I disagree with you), what he did was hardly a touch compared to the two heavier 'touches' he was on the end of at Spurs last season which led to their first two goals.

I do agree with you about Neymar's premeditated elbow. The ref did pretty well on the small decisions but was probably under a lot of pressure from the crowd (and maybe FIFA?) to look kindly on the hosts when it came to the big decisions.
[quote][p][bold]RefKen[/bold] wrote: Penalty awarded against Louvren was correct - he pulled Fred's shirt sufficient to upset Fred's balance, although Fred hen dived. More serious though, Neymar should have been sent-off rather than given a yellow card. Try and see the slow-motion replay - his eyes never looked anywhere but the Croatia player's chin and throat, which he then struck cleanly with his elbow ![/p][/quote]You have to feel for him. Penalty or no penalty (and on this I disagree with you), what he did was hardly a touch compared to the two heavier 'touches' he was on the end of at Spurs last season which led to their first two goals. I do agree with you about Neymar's premeditated elbow. The ref did pretty well on the small decisions but was probably under a lot of pressure from the crowd (and maybe FIFA?) to look kindly on the hosts when it came to the big decisions. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 1

9:06am Sat 14 Jun 14

LFCalways says...

Bazultra wrote:
Lovren had a good game but shouldnt have had his arms on Neymar at all. I think if you grab a player or put your arms around a player you should be punished after all it is FOOTBALL. I get cheesed off with all the antics that spoil the beautiful game.
It's wasn't Neymar it was Fred
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Lovren had a good game but shouldnt have had his arms on Neymar at all. I think if you grab a player or put your arms around a player you should be punished after all it is FOOTBALL. I get cheesed off with all the antics that spoil the beautiful game.[/p][/quote]It's wasn't Neymar it was Fred LFCalways
  • Score: 1

9:12am Sat 14 Jun 14

LFCalways says...

Saint_rob wrote:
Clearly a penalty!
Liverpool you are welcome to him.
That will be £15,000,000 cash thank you.
You need your eyes tested........but, I can understand why you commented about Liverpool
[quote][p][bold]Saint_rob[/bold] wrote: Clearly a penalty! Liverpool you are welcome to him. That will be £15,000,000 cash thank you.[/p][/quote]You need your eyes tested........but, I can understand why you commented about Liverpool LFCalways
  • Score: 1

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