Saints FA Cup legend Jim Steele wants Saints to stop being a "feeder club"

Daily Echo: JIM STEELE JIM STEELE

Saints FA Cup legend Jim Steele has demanded the club stop being a “feeder” club and concentrate on reaching the top six.

Steele was man-of-the-match at Wembley when Lawrie McMenemy’s side beat Manchester United 1-0 in the FA Cup final in 1976. The Scot keeps an eye on all affairs at St Mary’s and considers the current situation “ridiculous”.

Saints have already seen manager Mauricio Pochettino leave for Tottenham and Rickie Lambert depart for boyhood heroes Liverpool.

Captain Adam Lallana, Luke Shaw and Dejan Lovren also want to leave following the World Cup. Steele wants Saints to act, saying: “We don’t want the club to be a feeder anymore. “The club has the capability to be a top-six club – the situation with all the players is absolutely ridiculous.

“We’ve got Lovren handing in his transfer request, we’ve got Lallana and Shaw looking like they’re on the way.

“We might as well go back down the divisions and play lower leagues at this rate.

“There’s no ambition.

“There must be a point where you have to change from a feeder club to a club that are pushing for better things.” As for who he would like to see replace Pochettino, Steele said: “(Ronald) Koeman would be the best choice. “He’s got what it takes to bring in big name players that we’ll need.”

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6:17am Mon 16 Jun 14

derek james says...

wise words from big jim
wise words from big jim derek james
  • Score: 39

6:27am Mon 16 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

Well said Jimmy
Well said Jimmy aldermoorboy
  • Score: 45

6:37am Mon 16 Jun 14

IOAD says...

I think Jim's onto something there.
I think Jim's onto something there. IOAD
  • Score: 22

6:51am Mon 16 Jun 14

Sussex Jay says...

Get real jimmy it happens at every club,support us don't slag us!!! Coyr
Get real jimmy it happens at every club,support us don't slag us!!! Coyr Sussex Jay
  • Score: -54

7:17am Mon 16 Jun 14

miltonarcher says...

Spot on Jimmy. Everton got to 5th, is there a feeding frenzy for their manager or players? No. So to suggest this happens at all clubs is wrong. Anyone would think we had been relegated.
Spot on Jimmy. Everton got to 5th, is there a feeding frenzy for their manager or players? No. So to suggest this happens at all clubs is wrong. Anyone would think we had been relegated. miltonarcher
  • Score: 66

7:31am Mon 16 Jun 14

Sussex Jay says...

Get real
Get real Sussex Jay
  • Score: -63

7:39am Mon 16 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Well said Jim we all agree with you other than the Sussex Skate.
Well said Jim we all agree with you other than the Sussex Skate. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 34

7:41am Mon 16 Jun 14

BarnetSaint says...

Spot on Jim
I'm sick of our briliant young talent being picked off by the vultures.
We've been losing them at 17,18, , 19.
If we have to sell, at least keep them long enough so we can achieve some meaningful success.
This board have a great opportunity to build on our current crop of quality players.
Wenger and co should be told to bog off and develop their own academies instead of raiding ours.
Spot on Jim I'm sick of our briliant young talent being picked off by the vultures. We've been losing them at 17,18, , 19. If we have to sell, at least keep them long enough so we can achieve some meaningful success. This board have a great opportunity to build on our current crop of quality players. Wenger and co should be told to bog off and develop their own academies instead of raiding ours. BarnetSaint
  • Score: 48

7:44am Mon 16 Jun 14

Sammy2sheds says...

C'mon Jim get real it happens to the best of clubs!!
C'mon Jim get real it happens to the best of clubs!! Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -60

7:55am Mon 16 Jun 14

Saint Jinx says...

Sussex Jay wrote:
Get real jimmy it happens at every club,support us don't slag us!!! Coyr
Hi is not slagging us - far from it. He is saying what we all feel. Having ambition is real support.
[quote][p][bold]Sussex Jay[/bold] wrote: Get real jimmy it happens at every club,support us don't slag us!!! Coyr[/p][/quote]Hi is not slagging us - far from it. He is saying what we all feel. Having ambition is real support. Saint Jinx
  • Score: 29

7:57am Mon 16 Jun 14

KSO16R says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Spot on Jimmy. Everton got to 5th, is there a feeding frenzy for their manager or players? No. So to suggest this happens at all clubs is wrong. Anyone would think we had been relegated.
Actually Everton did lose a manager and players but still had a good season. Players come and go. A fact of life in the premier league with a few exceptions of course. People need to stop squinnying. Its a game !
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Spot on Jimmy. Everton got to 5th, is there a feeding frenzy for their manager or players? No. So to suggest this happens at all clubs is wrong. Anyone would think we had been relegated.[/p][/quote]Actually Everton did lose a manager and players but still had a good season. Players come and go. A fact of life in the premier league with a few exceptions of course. People need to stop squinnying. Its a game ! KSO16R
  • Score: -23

8:16am Mon 16 Jun 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Well said Jim but that point might be now. Stories doing the rounds are that Dejan denies transfer request, you wont see that in the British media as it would make them/Ashton look like liars! Manure bid for Shaw rejected and diverpool cooling off on lalla who has started to build bridges with the fans.

As for MP leaving, I still think that the board might have engineered his departure and got top dollar for a manager they saw as NC's man and didn't want.
Rickie leaving was very disappointing for us fans, it felt like the soul had been torn from our club. It was though very understandable and one player leaving doesn't make us a feeder club.
Things have started to turn around right now and the appointment of RK as manager today, assuming Sammy is wrong and it isn't Bruce (as if), would be a real sign intent from the board.
The futures bright, the futures red n white, with a dash of orange!
Well said Jim but that point might be now. Stories doing the rounds are that Dejan denies transfer request, you wont see that in the British media as it would make them/Ashton look like liars! Manure bid for Shaw rejected and diverpool cooling off on lalla who has started to build bridges with the fans. As for MP leaving, I still think that the board might have engineered his departure and got top dollar for a manager they saw as NC's man and didn't want. Rickie leaving was very disappointing for us fans, it felt like the soul had been torn from our club. It was though very understandable and one player leaving doesn't make us a feeder club. Things have started to turn around right now and the appointment of RK as manager today, assuming Sammy is wrong and it isn't Bruce (as if), would be a real sign intent from the board. The futures bright, the futures red n white, with a dash of orange! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 40

8:23am Mon 16 Jun 14

andoru says...

Shame those in the media can't see us as anything but a feeder club though. I'm listening to a BBC World Cup podcast. They just mentioned Calum Chambers as contender for the right-back slot.

"Calum Chambers, currently captaining England under-19s … he'll be England's right-back for many years to come."
"He'd make a good signing for Arsenal."
"Be a good signing for anyone. If I was a manager and I was buying a Southampton full-back, I'd buy him."

Just as easy as that, isn't it? A casual shopping trip down south. We line them up for you and you get to pick like you're at the deli.
Shame those in the media can't see us as anything but a feeder club though. I'm listening to a BBC World Cup podcast. They just mentioned Calum Chambers as contender for the right-back slot. "Calum Chambers, currently captaining England under-19s … he'll be England's right-back for many years to come." "He'd make a good signing for Arsenal." "Be a good signing for anyone. If I was a manager and I was buying a Southampton full-back, I'd buy him." Just as easy as that, isn't it? A casual shopping trip down south. We line them up for you and you get to pick like you're at the deli. andoru
  • Score: 36

8:26am Mon 16 Jun 14

LEE FROM THE LANE says...

Innit Jim
Innit Jim LEE FROM THE LANE
  • Score: -24

8:36am Mon 16 Jun 14

BarnetSaint says...

andoru wrote:
Shame those in the media can't see us as anything but a feeder club though. I'm listening to a BBC World Cup podcast. They just mentioned Calum Chambers as contender for the right-back slot.

"Calum Chambers, currently captaining England under-19s … he'll be England's right-back for many years to come."
"He'd make a good signing for Arsenal."
"Be a good signing for anyone. If I was a manager and I was buying a Southampton full-back, I'd buy him."

Just as easy as that, isn't it? A casual shopping trip down south. We line them up for you and you get to pick like you're at the deli.
We have to keep Chambers.
Wenger is in for him, he should be told to do one.
The kid is absolute quality and I heard that bbc feature in which they predict he will be England's right back for years to come.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: Shame those in the media can't see us as anything but a feeder club though. I'm listening to a BBC World Cup podcast. They just mentioned Calum Chambers as contender for the right-back slot. "Calum Chambers, currently captaining England under-19s … he'll be England's right-back for many years to come." "He'd make a good signing for Arsenal." "Be a good signing for anyone. If I was a manager and I was buying a Southampton full-back, I'd buy him." Just as easy as that, isn't it? A casual shopping trip down south. We line them up for you and you get to pick like you're at the deli.[/p][/quote]We have to keep Chambers. Wenger is in for him, he should be told to do one. The kid is absolute quality and I heard that bbc feature in which they predict he will be England's right back for years to come. BarnetSaint
  • Score: 15

8:38am Mon 16 Jun 14

Datarater says...

How can he say the club lacks ambition when it has gone from League 1 to 8th in the Premiership in a few years. Also Southampton is a hatchery for players and will only be more so with the new Academy.

It's not that the club lacks ambition it is more to do with the players have been brought up on success and want more. With MoPo leaving it produced a lot of doubt about the club from many players but when our new manager is in place it will all start to come together again.

Onward with the Leibherrs.

COYR!!!!!
How can he say the club lacks ambition when it has gone from League 1 to 8th in the Premiership in a few years. Also Southampton is a hatchery for players and will only be more so with the new Academy. It's not that the club lacks ambition it is more to do with the players have been brought up on success and want more. With MoPo leaving it produced a lot of doubt about the club from many players but when our new manager is in place it will all start to come together again. Onward with the Leibherrs. COYR!!!!! Datarater
  • Score: 19

8:38am Mon 16 Jun 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Just a point of order, has it been confirmed that Lovren DID hand in a transfer request or is that a media myth that has become an imaginary 'fact'? Just asking because I thought Lovren had denied it.

Anyway, while none of us want to see our top players leave, I was reminded the other night that even Arsenal couldn't hang on to Cesc and Rob.

In Jim's day, we couldn't hang on to Channon, before that it was Chivers, later it was Shearer etc......

The frustrating thing today is that, with the youth, we have about 15-20 genuinely great players. IF we can keep all of them and add maybe 3 more, we really could be a force over the coming years.
Just a point of order, has it been confirmed that Lovren DID hand in a transfer request or is that a media myth that has become an imaginary 'fact'? Just asking because I thought Lovren had denied it. Anyway, while none of us want to see our top players leave, I was reminded the other night that even Arsenal couldn't hang on to Cesc and Rob. In Jim's day, we couldn't hang on to Channon, before that it was Chivers, later it was Shearer etc...... The frustrating thing today is that, with the youth, we have about 15-20 genuinely great players. IF we can keep all of them and add maybe 3 more, we really could be a force over the coming years. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 13

8:41am Mon 16 Jun 14

costa gaz says...

Agree with Big Jim, but unless our wage policy changes we'll continue to lose players to big clubs.
It is no secret that we are one of the leagues lowest payers and most of our players could earn much more elsewhere.
I am not saying break the bank to keep these players, but surely there is a happy medium.
Convincing our star want-a-ways that money is not everything will be Koeman's first task, if he succeeds he'll be a hero before the season starts.
Agree with Big Jim, but unless our wage policy changes we'll continue to lose players to big clubs. It is no secret that we are one of the leagues lowest payers and most of our players could earn much more elsewhere. I am not saying break the bank to keep these players, but surely there is a happy medium. Convincing our star want-a-ways that money is not everything will be Koeman's first task, if he succeeds he'll be a hero before the season starts. costa gaz
  • Score: 9

8:44am Mon 16 Jun 14

Costa Baz says...

Yet again, someone who should know better, claims "there's no ambition", based on the departure of a duplicitous and deceitful manager, who Matt Le Tissier indicated, on Twitter, did a fair bit of sh1t stirring before he left.

That only Lambert, among the players has actually gone, shows that the club do have ambition.
That we are on the verge of signing a BIG name manager (allegedly) shows that the club has ambition.
If the manager then gets a decent transfer pot, I've heard around £35m, PLUS money from sales, that shows the club has ambition

Hopefully, this new manager will remind the players that they are contracted to the club and will only be allowed to leave when it is acceptable to the club, both in timing and fee received.

BUT, if the players still decide that they want to move on, despite all of the above, then they are NOT asking to leave because the club has lacked ambition. They are asking to leave because they have been offered a lot of money and the opportunity of playing European football THIS year, rather than try and achieve it next year, at the club that was ambitious enough to invest in their abilities, in the first place.

After all that the media has done, to wear the club and it's fans down, we start seeing some hope, with positive comments about the future, on here and other forums.
It just takes one unsubstantiated comment, from an ex-pro, and all the "woe is me" brigade are back out in force.
Yet again, someone who should know better, claims "there's no ambition", based on the departure of a duplicitous and deceitful manager, who Matt Le Tissier indicated, on Twitter, did a fair bit of sh1t stirring before he left. That only Lambert, among the players has actually gone, shows that the club do have ambition. That we are on the verge of signing a BIG name manager (allegedly) shows that the club has ambition. If the manager then gets a decent transfer pot, I've heard around £35m, PLUS money from sales, that shows the club has ambition Hopefully, this new manager will remind the players that they are contracted to the club and will only be allowed to leave when it is acceptable to the club, both in timing and fee received. BUT, if the players still decide that they want to move on, despite all of the above, then they are NOT asking to leave because the club has lacked ambition. They are asking to leave because they have been offered a lot of money and the opportunity of playing European football THIS year, rather than try and achieve it next year, at the club that was ambitious enough to invest in their abilities, in the first place. After all that the media has done, to wear the club and it's fans down, we start seeing some hope, with positive comments about the future, on here and other forums. It just takes one unsubstantiated comment, from an ex-pro, and all the "woe is me" brigade are back out in force. Costa Baz
  • Score: 24

8:49am Mon 16 Jun 14

noodlesnewman says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Well said Jim but that point might be now. Stories doing the rounds are that Dejan denies transfer request, you wont see that in the British media as it would make them/Ashton look like liars! Manure bid for Shaw rejected and diverpool cooling off on lalla who has started to build bridges with the fans.

As for MP leaving, I still think that the board might have engineered his departure and got top dollar for a manager they saw as NC's man and didn't want.
Rickie leaving was very disappointing for us fans, it felt like the soul had been torn from our club. It was though very understandable and one player leaving doesn't make us a feeder club.
Things have started to turn around right now and the appointment of RK as manager today, assuming Sammy is wrong and it isn't Bruce (as if), would be a real sign intent from the board.
The futures bright, the futures red n white, with a dash of orange!
spot on mate , this new board are far more clever than the majority of fans and media scum bags think , exiting times ahead ! COYR !
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: Well said Jim but that point might be now. Stories doing the rounds are that Dejan denies transfer request, you wont see that in the British media as it would make them/Ashton look like liars! Manure bid for Shaw rejected and diverpool cooling off on lalla who has started to build bridges with the fans. As for MP leaving, I still think that the board might have engineered his departure and got top dollar for a manager they saw as NC's man and didn't want. Rickie leaving was very disappointing for us fans, it felt like the soul had been torn from our club. It was though very understandable and one player leaving doesn't make us a feeder club. Things have started to turn around right now and the appointment of RK as manager today, assuming Sammy is wrong and it isn't Bruce (as if), would be a real sign intent from the board. The futures bright, the futures red n white, with a dash of orange![/p][/quote]spot on mate , this new board are far more clever than the majority of fans and media scum bags think , exiting times ahead ! COYR ! noodlesnewman
  • Score: 17

8:57am Mon 16 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

noodlesnewman wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Well said Jim but that point might be now. Stories doing the rounds are that Dejan denies transfer request, you wont see that in the British media as it would make them/Ashton look like liars! Manure bid for Shaw rejected and diverpool cooling off on lalla who has started to build bridges with the fans.

As for MP leaving, I still think that the board might have engineered his departure and got top dollar for a manager they saw as NC's man and didn't want.
Rickie leaving was very disappointing for us fans, it felt like the soul had been torn from our club. It was though very understandable and one player leaving doesn't make us a feeder club.
Things have started to turn around right now and the appointment of RK as manager today, assuming Sammy is wrong and it isn't Bruce (as if), would be a real sign intent from the board.
The futures bright, the futures red n white, with a dash of orange!
spot on mate , this new board are far more clever than the majority of fans and media scum bags think , exiting times ahead ! COYR !
It could be possible but it would be an exceptionally high risk strategy to take purely based on how close the players were to him. Also if the media are to be believed Ron rejected our first overtures due to a miserly transfer budget and only agreed to come once it was increased.

I guess we will never know but whatever the truth it's time to move on, to appoint a big name manager, to provide him with the resources to push on up the league and to re-motivate the players and fans.
[quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: Well said Jim but that point might be now. Stories doing the rounds are that Dejan denies transfer request, you wont see that in the British media as it would make them/Ashton look like liars! Manure bid for Shaw rejected and diverpool cooling off on lalla who has started to build bridges with the fans. As for MP leaving, I still think that the board might have engineered his departure and got top dollar for a manager they saw as NC's man and didn't want. Rickie leaving was very disappointing for us fans, it felt like the soul had been torn from our club. It was though very understandable and one player leaving doesn't make us a feeder club. Things have started to turn around right now and the appointment of RK as manager today, assuming Sammy is wrong and it isn't Bruce (as if), would be a real sign intent from the board. The futures bright, the futures red n white, with a dash of orange![/p][/quote]spot on mate , this new board are far more clever than the majority of fans and media scum bags think , exiting times ahead ! COYR ![/p][/quote]It could be possible but it would be an exceptionally high risk strategy to take purely based on how close the players were to him. Also if the media are to be believed Ron rejected our first overtures due to a miserly transfer budget and only agreed to come once it was increased. I guess we will never know but whatever the truth it's time to move on, to appoint a big name manager, to provide him with the resources to push on up the league and to re-motivate the players and fans. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 5

8:57am Mon 16 Jun 14

andoru says...

BarnetSaint wrote:
andoru wrote:
Shame those in the media can't see us as anything but a feeder club though. I'm listening to a BBC World Cup podcast. They just mentioned Calum Chambers as contender for the right-back slot.

"Calum Chambers, currently captaining England under-19s … he'll be England's right-back for many years to come."
"He'd make a good signing for Arsenal."
"Be a good signing for anyone. If I was a manager and I was buying a Southampton full-back, I'd buy him."

Just as easy as that, isn't it? A casual shopping trip down south. We line them up for you and you get to pick like you're at the deli.
We have to keep Chambers.
Wenger is in for him, he should be told to do one.
The kid is absolute quality and I heard that bbc feature in which they predict he will be England's right back for years to come.
Agreed. He can be amazing for us, and his competition with Clyne was good for both of them last season. Wenger can find a new right-back in his own academy.
[quote][p][bold]BarnetSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: Shame those in the media can't see us as anything but a feeder club though. I'm listening to a BBC World Cup podcast. They just mentioned Calum Chambers as contender for the right-back slot. "Calum Chambers, currently captaining England under-19s … he'll be England's right-back for many years to come." "He'd make a good signing for Arsenal." "Be a good signing for anyone. If I was a manager and I was buying a Southampton full-back, I'd buy him." Just as easy as that, isn't it? A casual shopping trip down south. We line them up for you and you get to pick like you're at the deli.[/p][/quote]We have to keep Chambers. Wenger is in for him, he should be told to do one. The kid is absolute quality and I heard that bbc feature in which they predict he will be England's right back for years to come.[/p][/quote]Agreed. He can be amazing for us, and his competition with Clyne was good for both of them last season. Wenger can find a new right-back in his own academy. andoru
  • Score: 11

8:58am Mon 16 Jun 14

elvisimo says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Yet again, someone who should know better, claims "there's no ambition", based on the departure of a duplicitous and deceitful manager, who Matt Le Tissier indicated, on Twitter, did a fair bit of sh1t stirring before he left.

That only Lambert, among the players has actually gone, shows that the club do have ambition.
That we are on the verge of signing a BIG name manager (allegedly) shows that the club has ambition.
If the manager then gets a decent transfer pot, I've heard around £35m, PLUS money from sales, that shows the club has ambition

Hopefully, this new manager will remind the players that they are contracted to the club and will only be allowed to leave when it is acceptable to the club, both in timing and fee received.

BUT, if the players still decide that they want to move on, despite all of the above, then they are NOT asking to leave because the club has lacked ambition. They are asking to leave because they have been offered a lot of money and the opportunity of playing European football THIS year, rather than try and achieve it next year, at the club that was ambitious enough to invest in their abilities, in the first place.

After all that the media has done, to wear the club and it's fans down, we start seeing some hope, with positive comments about the future, on here and other forums.
It just takes one unsubstantiated comment, from an ex-pro, and all the "woe is me" brigade are back out in force.
much too sensible a comment
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Yet again, someone who should know better, claims "there's no ambition", based on the departure of a duplicitous and deceitful manager, who Matt Le Tissier indicated, on Twitter, did a fair bit of sh1t stirring before he left. That only Lambert, among the players has actually gone, shows that the club do have ambition. That we are on the verge of signing a BIG name manager (allegedly) shows that the club has ambition. If the manager then gets a decent transfer pot, I've heard around £35m, PLUS money from sales, that shows the club has ambition Hopefully, this new manager will remind the players that they are contracted to the club and will only be allowed to leave when it is acceptable to the club, both in timing and fee received. BUT, if the players still decide that they want to move on, despite all of the above, then they are NOT asking to leave because the club has lacked ambition. They are asking to leave because they have been offered a lot of money and the opportunity of playing European football THIS year, rather than try and achieve it next year, at the club that was ambitious enough to invest in their abilities, in the first place. After all that the media has done, to wear the club and it's fans down, we start seeing some hope, with positive comments about the future, on here and other forums. It just takes one unsubstantiated comment, from an ex-pro, and all the "woe is me" brigade are back out in force.[/p][/quote]much too sensible a comment elvisimo
  • Score: 3

9:10am Mon 16 Jun 14

willygetaway says...

Now you knew how to defend Jim, and may i say learned to love the saints as much as we do. something a little lacking today i feel.
SAINTS TILL I DIE
Now you knew how to defend Jim, and may i say learned to love the saints as much as we do. something a little lacking today i feel. SAINTS TILL I DIE willygetaway
  • Score: 6

9:14am Mon 16 Jun 14

jls217 says...

The board would not want to just be a feeder club. If players wants to go and the club gets what it considers a good offer then it's time to do business. SFC has to run at least at break even and hopefully in the black or Katrina will pull the plug. That's why she's in business to make a profit.

If this club was pulling in 60k plus fans week in week out, I would have some sympathy with the "doesn't show any ambition" crowd. We don't, we frequently don't fill the ground. That's all about the number of people locally wanting to support the club. Those that do follow do it well but there are not enough of us - that's a fact of life. If Saints were to drop their prices they may be surprised at how many more people would turn up as they could now afford to go and bring the kids etc but that's another point altogether.
BTW - Have we had one single confirmation yet that any of these players have put in a transfer request? Perhaps we should wait and see exactly what has transpired first.
My only beef is with Lallana who, if he has no intentions of going, should have said so clearly and repeatedly. As captain of this club he has a unique responsibility to board, manager, his teammates and first and foremost to those who pay his wages - us, the fans. He has chosen to conveniently ignore those responsibilities and must accept any consequences for that - On the evidence so far he should at least be stripped of that armband and sold at the first opportunity (IMHO) - there may be more yet to play out on this so we'll see what transpires after the WC.
The board would not want to just be a feeder club. If players wants to go and the club gets what it considers a good offer then it's time to do business. SFC has to run at least at break even and hopefully in the black or Katrina will pull the plug. That's why she's in business to make a profit. If this club was pulling in 60k plus fans week in week out, I would have some sympathy with the "doesn't show any ambition" crowd. We don't, we frequently don't fill the ground. That's all about the number of people locally wanting to support the club. Those that do follow do it well but there are not enough of us - that's a fact of life. If Saints were to drop their prices they may be surprised at how many more people would turn up as they could now afford to go and bring the kids etc but that's another point altogether. BTW - Have we had one single confirmation yet that any of these players have put in a transfer request? Perhaps we should wait and see exactly what has transpired first. My only beef is with Lallana who, if he has no intentions of going, should have said so clearly and repeatedly. As captain of this club he has a unique responsibility to board, manager, his teammates and first and foremost to those who pay his wages - us, the fans. He has chosen to conveniently ignore those responsibilities and must accept any consequences for that - On the evidence so far he should at least be stripped of that armband and sold at the first opportunity (IMHO) - there may be more yet to play out on this so we'll see what transpires after the WC. jls217
  • Score: -2

9:32am Mon 16 Jun 14

SNUGGLES 78 says...

klingons on the starboard bow jim , spot on.
klingons on the starboard bow jim , spot on. SNUGGLES 78
  • Score: 5

9:41am Mon 16 Jun 14

saints4eva12 says...

jim is right is being going for years the big clubs pick n mix with our players enough is enough no more !!!!!!!
jim is right is being going for years the big clubs pick n mix with our players enough is enough no more !!!!!!! saints4eva12
  • Score: 3

9:59am Mon 16 Jun 14

jls217 says...

saints4eva12 wrote:
jim is right is being going for years the big clubs pick n mix with our players enough is enough no more !!!!!!!
Then convince your family, mates etc to go to the games and the board will then have to rethink the stadium and add a lot more space.

On 32,000 seats and some of them not filled Saints cannot go much further than we are currently doing.

If 60,000 were to turn up regularly then we'd be in with the big boys.

Up to the people of Southampton and the surrounding towns really.

I don't think Saints do enough to capture them as kids. Far too many shirts from other clubs seen around town and across Hampshire and the IOW too. These kids should be born hearing nothing else and seeing nothing else except Saints and it just ain't happening now.
[quote][p][bold]saints4eva12[/bold] wrote: jim is right is being going for years the big clubs pick n mix with our players enough is enough no more !!!!!!![/p][/quote]Then convince your family, mates etc to go to the games and the board will then have to rethink the stadium and add a lot more space. On 32,000 seats and some of them not filled Saints cannot go much further than we are currently doing. If 60,000 were to turn up regularly then we'd be in with the big boys. Up to the people of Southampton and the surrounding towns really. I don't think Saints do enough to capture them as kids. Far too many shirts from other clubs seen around town and across Hampshire and the IOW too. These kids should be born hearing nothing else and seeing nothing else except Saints and it just ain't happening now. jls217
  • Score: 4

10:03am Mon 16 Jun 14

Costa Baz says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
noodlesnewman wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote: Well said Jim but that point might be now. Stories doing the rounds are that Dejan denies transfer request, you wont see that in the British media as it would make them/Ashton look like liars! Manure bid for Shaw rejected and diverpool cooling off on lalla who has started to build bridges with the fans. As for MP leaving, I still think that the board might have engineered his departure and got top dollar for a manager they saw as NC's man and didn't want. Rickie leaving was very disappointing for us fans, it felt like the soul had been torn from our club. It was though very understandable and one player leaving doesn't make us a feeder club. Things have started to turn around right now and the appointment of RK as manager today, assuming Sammy is wrong and it isn't Bruce (as if), would be a real sign intent from the board. The futures bright, the futures red n white, with a dash of orange!
spot on mate , this new board are far more clever than the majority of fans and media scum bags think , exiting times ahead ! COYR !
It could be possible but it would be an exceptionally high risk strategy to take purely based on how close the players were to him. Also if the media are to be believed Ron rejected our first overtures due to a miserly transfer budget and only agreed to come once it was increased. I guess we will never know but whatever the truth it's time to move on, to appoint a big name manager, to provide him with the resources to push on up the league and to re-motivate the players and fans.
If the media are to be believed.

With most of the negative stories, seemingly emanating from journalists that were in Cortese's pocket, and other media outlets just picking up on their threads, IMO there is a lot to be suspicious of, when reading these stories.

A very respected, ITK source, on Saints Web, claimed that £35m was on the table for MP.
Not a miserly amount, but if Ronko has turned his nose up, at this, and the board have raised that amount, in order to get him on board, then yet again, it would be a show of ambition.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: Well said Jim but that point might be now. Stories doing the rounds are that Dejan denies transfer request, you wont see that in the British media as it would make them/Ashton look like liars! Manure bid for Shaw rejected and diverpool cooling off on lalla who has started to build bridges with the fans. As for MP leaving, I still think that the board might have engineered his departure and got top dollar for a manager they saw as NC's man and didn't want. Rickie leaving was very disappointing for us fans, it felt like the soul had been torn from our club. It was though very understandable and one player leaving doesn't make us a feeder club. Things have started to turn around right now and the appointment of RK as manager today, assuming Sammy is wrong and it isn't Bruce (as if), would be a real sign intent from the board. The futures bright, the futures red n white, with a dash of orange![/p][/quote]spot on mate , this new board are far more clever than the majority of fans and media scum bags think , exiting times ahead ! COYR ![/p][/quote]It could be possible but it would be an exceptionally high risk strategy to take purely based on how close the players were to him. Also if the media are to be believed Ron rejected our first overtures due to a miserly transfer budget and only agreed to come once it was increased. I guess we will never know but whatever the truth it's time to move on, to appoint a big name manager, to provide him with the resources to push on up the league and to re-motivate the players and fans.[/p][/quote]If the media are to be believed. With most of the negative stories, seemingly emanating from journalists that were in Cortese's pocket, and other media outlets just picking up on their threads, IMO there is a lot to be suspicious of, when reading these stories. A very respected, ITK source, on Saints Web, claimed that £35m was on the table for MP. Not a miserly amount, but if Ronko has turned his nose up, at this, and the board have raised that amount, in order to get him on board, then yet again, it would be a show of ambition. Costa Baz
  • Score: 14

10:03am Mon 16 Jun 14

saint_rednwhite says...

Actually think Clyne is better than Chambers both attacking and defensive! But i do agree... so called 'top' sides think they can just come and get whoever they want down st mary's... well seems at moment they having a harder time with that easy trip than they had done previously.

These lads... Shaw... Lallana need to realise how without us they'd be nowhere and give the club some respect!

National service gone to their heads! Clattenberg was right... he's changed :)
Actually think Clyne is better than Chambers both attacking and defensive! But i do agree... so called 'top' sides think they can just come and get whoever they want down st mary's... well seems at moment they having a harder time with that easy trip than they had done previously. These lads... Shaw... Lallana need to realise how without us they'd be nowhere and give the club some respect! National service gone to their heads! Clattenberg was right... he's changed :) saint_rednwhite
  • Score: 10

10:05am Mon 16 Jun 14

Malcombe says...

Many Supporters may think the same as Jim I don't, IMO the Board do not want to sell any of the Players or any to leave and it's obvious we the Supporters certainly don't, it's as if someone has thought up this excuse in Training and planted a seed for the Players of wanting CLF to justify a transfer because before January all the Players in the Club were excited and all singing from the same Hymn sheet of wanting to be on board the mission of rapid progress to go onwards and upwards and most signed a long Contract on that basis, personally I think it's all to do with money and Potchettino.
IMO there were In Club secrets after January and possibly before when they knew Cortese was to leave and he was joined at the hip to The Deceitful One (I'm sorry I'm very angry what's happened) and some spoke out and said well if you are both leaving so are we, we don't want to stay here hence use the excuse we want CLF, what baffles me is Potchettino has proved to be a man of little substance and decency about caring for Southampton FC only about the Players who are ignoring his disloyalty and deceit to the Club and I'm sure he'd exchange the Spurs Players to have the Saints Team that he managed, what shouldn't be forgotten is he inherited these Players, he cannot claim credence to bringing in any of the Players he managed and the one and only he did bring in turned out to be a Player and Thug.
Hopefully today or this week all will be revealed, the Club would always be able to contact all of the Players whether they are at the World Cup or on there holidays and they will be updated to the change and may already know and are happy who will be there next Gaffer hence the cooling in the media of the frenzy of Players wanting to leave who hopefully have cleared there heads and want to be with SFC at least until the end of next season and longer and for all who care about Southampton FC the Saints.
Many Supporters may think the same as Jim I don't, IMO the Board do not want to sell any of the Players or any to leave and it's obvious we the Supporters certainly don't, it's as if someone has thought up this excuse in Training and planted a seed for the Players of wanting CLF to justify a transfer because before January all the Players in the Club were excited and all singing from the same Hymn sheet of wanting to be on board the mission of rapid progress to go onwards and upwards and most signed a long Contract on that basis, personally I think it's all to do with money and Potchettino. IMO there were In Club secrets after January and possibly before when they knew Cortese was to leave and he was joined at the hip to The Deceitful One (I'm sorry I'm very angry what's happened) and some spoke out and said well if you are both leaving so are we, we don't want to stay here hence use the excuse we want CLF, what baffles me is Potchettino has proved to be a man of little substance and decency about caring for Southampton FC only about the Players who are ignoring his disloyalty and deceit to the Club and I'm sure he'd exchange the Spurs Players to have the Saints Team that he managed, what shouldn't be forgotten is he inherited these Players, he cannot claim credence to bringing in any of the Players he managed and the one and only he did bring in turned out to be a Player and Thug. Hopefully today or this week all will be revealed, the Club would always be able to contact all of the Players whether they are at the World Cup or on there holidays and they will be updated to the change and may already know and are happy who will be there next Gaffer hence the cooling in the media of the frenzy of Players wanting to leave who hopefully have cleared there heads and want to be with SFC at least until the end of next season and longer and for all who care about Southampton FC the Saints. Malcombe
  • Score: -19

10:09am Mon 16 Jun 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

jls217 wrote:
The board would not want to just be a feeder club. If players wants to go and the club gets what it considers a good offer then it's time to do business. SFC has to run at least at break even and hopefully in the black or Katrina will pull the plug. That's why she's in business to make a profit.

If this club was pulling in 60k plus fans week in week out, I would have some sympathy with the "doesn't show any ambition" crowd. We don't, we frequently don't fill the ground. That's all about the number of people locally wanting to support the club. Those that do follow do it well but there are not enough of us - that's a fact of life. If Saints were to drop their prices they may be surprised at how many more people would turn up as they could now afford to go and bring the kids etc but that's another point altogether.
BTW - Have we had one single confirmation yet that any of these players have put in a transfer request? Perhaps we should wait and see exactly what has transpired first.
My only beef is with Lallana who, if he has no intentions of going, should have said so clearly and repeatedly. As captain of this club he has a unique responsibility to board, manager, his teammates and first and foremost to those who pay his wages - us, the fans. He has chosen to conveniently ignore those responsibilities and must accept any consequences for that - On the evidence so far he should at least be stripped of that armband and sold at the first opportunity (IMHO) - there may be more yet to play out on this so we'll see what transpires after the WC.
Good points, well made, JLS.

Every player in every club in the world has a price depending on things such as the timing of a potential sale, who's interested in buying, length of contract, age of player, desire to stay/leave etc. Likewise, every club has a 'size', which, in short, translates as an 'income' (plus, perhaps, an element of prestige it can use to attract players and develop its fan base). This comes, as we all know, from commercial factors, sales etc., TV rights and transfer-generated income etc. Then there's the sugar-daddy bit, where a bloke like Abramovich pumps un-generated cash into his toy club. It's THIS that gets most of us annoyed because we can all see the impact it has on the entire football world.

However, even if you take that out, you will still have clubs who can create the biggest budgets downwards to smaller, less significant clubs such as those who finish mid-table in League 2. How big is Southampton Football Club compared with the rest of Europe or England? Well, in reality, probably no bigger than an average mid-table Premier League team. So, to achieve all that we have started dreaming of these past few seasons, we would need to regularly punch above our weight; out punching teams like Villa, Newcastle and Spurs.

It's right to have the ambition to achieve this AND MORE .... but realistic to remember that we're not going to attract a sell-out crowd to watch a League Cup match against, say, Rochdale on a Tuesday evening in term time. We're just not that club.

So, I say a big fat YES to having ambition, but a frustrated but realistic NO to doubling our transfer spending and wage bill to attract (or keep) players that we can't afford or don't want to be here ..... or, commercially, it would make better sense to sell than to keep until their contract ends and they leave for free or at a vastly reduced price.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: The board would not want to just be a feeder club. If players wants to go and the club gets what it considers a good offer then it's time to do business. SFC has to run at least at break even and hopefully in the black or Katrina will pull the plug. That's why she's in business to make a profit. If this club was pulling in 60k plus fans week in week out, I would have some sympathy with the "doesn't show any ambition" crowd. We don't, we frequently don't fill the ground. That's all about the number of people locally wanting to support the club. Those that do follow do it well but there are not enough of us - that's a fact of life. If Saints were to drop their prices they may be surprised at how many more people would turn up as they could now afford to go and bring the kids etc but that's another point altogether. BTW - Have we had one single confirmation yet that any of these players have put in a transfer request? Perhaps we should wait and see exactly what has transpired first. My only beef is with Lallana who, if he has no intentions of going, should have said so clearly and repeatedly. As captain of this club he has a unique responsibility to board, manager, his teammates and first and foremost to those who pay his wages - us, the fans. He has chosen to conveniently ignore those responsibilities and must accept any consequences for that - On the evidence so far he should at least be stripped of that armband and sold at the first opportunity (IMHO) - there may be more yet to play out on this so we'll see what transpires after the WC.[/p][/quote]Good points, well made, JLS. Every player in every club in the world has a price depending on things such as the timing of a potential sale, who's interested in buying, length of contract, age of player, desire to stay/leave etc. Likewise, every club has a 'size', which, in short, translates as an 'income' (plus, perhaps, an element of prestige it can use to attract players and develop its fan base). This comes, as we all know, from commercial factors, sales etc., TV rights and transfer-generated income etc. Then there's the sugar-daddy bit, where a bloke like Abramovich pumps un-generated cash into his toy club. It's THIS that gets most of us annoyed because we can all see the impact it has on the entire football world. However, even if you take that out, you will still have clubs who can create the biggest budgets downwards to smaller, less significant clubs such as those who finish mid-table in League 2. How big is Southampton Football Club compared with the rest of Europe or England? Well, in reality, probably no bigger than an average mid-table Premier League team. So, to achieve all that we have started dreaming of these past few seasons, we would need to regularly punch above our weight; out punching teams like Villa, Newcastle and Spurs. It's right to have the ambition to achieve this AND MORE .... but realistic to remember that we're not going to attract a sell-out crowd to watch a League Cup match against, say, Rochdale on a Tuesday evening in term time. We're just not that club. So, I say a big fat YES to having ambition, but a frustrated but realistic NO to doubling our transfer spending and wage bill to attract (or keep) players that we can't afford or don't want to be here ..... or, commercially, it would make better sense to sell than to keep until their contract ends and they leave for free or at a vastly reduced price. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 9

10:13am Mon 16 Jun 14

Beer Monster says...

elvisimo wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Yet again, someone who should know better, claims "there's no ambition", based on the departure of a duplicitous and deceitful manager, who Matt Le Tissier indicated, on Twitter, did a fair bit of sh1t stirring before he left.

That only Lambert, among the players has actually gone, shows that the club do have ambition.
That we are on the verge of signing a BIG name manager (allegedly) shows that the club has ambition.
If the manager then gets a decent transfer pot, I've heard around £35m, PLUS money from sales, that shows the club has ambition

Hopefully, this new manager will remind the players that they are contracted to the club and will only be allowed to leave when it is acceptable to the club, both in timing and fee received.

BUT, if the players still decide that they want to move on, despite all of the above, then they are NOT asking to leave because the club has lacked ambition. They are asking to leave because they have been offered a lot of money and the opportunity of playing European football THIS year, rather than try and achieve it next year, at the club that was ambitious enough to invest in their abilities, in the first place.

After all that the media has done, to wear the club and it's fans down, we start seeing some hope, with positive comments about the future, on here and other forums.
It just takes one unsubstantiated comment, from an ex-pro, and all the "woe is me" brigade are back out in force.
much too sensible a comment
About time we saw some of those on here - the place has been crawling with WUMs recently.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Yet again, someone who should know better, claims "there's no ambition", based on the departure of a duplicitous and deceitful manager, who Matt Le Tissier indicated, on Twitter, did a fair bit of sh1t stirring before he left. That only Lambert, among the players has actually gone, shows that the club do have ambition. That we are on the verge of signing a BIG name manager (allegedly) shows that the club has ambition. If the manager then gets a decent transfer pot, I've heard around £35m, PLUS money from sales, that shows the club has ambition Hopefully, this new manager will remind the players that they are contracted to the club and will only be allowed to leave when it is acceptable to the club, both in timing and fee received. BUT, if the players still decide that they want to move on, despite all of the above, then they are NOT asking to leave because the club has lacked ambition. They are asking to leave because they have been offered a lot of money and the opportunity of playing European football THIS year, rather than try and achieve it next year, at the club that was ambitious enough to invest in their abilities, in the first place. After all that the media has done, to wear the club and it's fans down, we start seeing some hope, with positive comments about the future, on here and other forums. It just takes one unsubstantiated comment, from an ex-pro, and all the "woe is me" brigade are back out in force.[/p][/quote]much too sensible a comment[/p][/quote]About time we saw some of those on here - the place has been crawling with WUMs recently. Beer Monster
  • Score: 1

10:16am Mon 16 Jun 14

Malcombe says...

Apologies posters I edited and accidentally removed some comma's and full stop, take a deep breath from Hopefully today or this week
Apologies posters I edited and accidentally removed some comma's and full stop, take a deep breath from Hopefully today or this week Malcombe
  • Score: -21

10:16am Mon 16 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
jls217 wrote:
The board would not want to just be a feeder club. If players wants to go and the club gets what it considers a good offer then it's time to do business. SFC has to run at least at break even and hopefully in the black or Katrina will pull the plug. That's why she's in business to make a profit.

If this club was pulling in 60k plus fans week in week out, I would have some sympathy with the "doesn't show any ambition" crowd. We don't, we frequently don't fill the ground. That's all about the number of people locally wanting to support the club. Those that do follow do it well but there are not enough of us - that's a fact of life. If Saints were to drop their prices they may be surprised at how many more people would turn up as they could now afford to go and bring the kids etc but that's another point altogether.
BTW - Have we had one single confirmation yet that any of these players have put in a transfer request? Perhaps we should wait and see exactly what has transpired first.
My only beef is with Lallana who, if he has no intentions of going, should have said so clearly and repeatedly. As captain of this club he has a unique responsibility to board, manager, his teammates and first and foremost to those who pay his wages - us, the fans. He has chosen to conveniently ignore those responsibilities and must accept any consequences for that - On the evidence so far he should at least be stripped of that armband and sold at the first opportunity (IMHO) - there may be more yet to play out on this so we'll see what transpires after the WC.
Good points, well made, JLS.

Every player in every club in the world has a price depending on things such as the timing of a potential sale, who's interested in buying, length of contract, age of player, desire to stay/leave etc. Likewise, every club has a 'size', which, in short, translates as an 'income' (plus, perhaps, an element of prestige it can use to attract players and develop its fan base). This comes, as we all know, from commercial factors, sales etc., TV rights and transfer-generated income etc. Then there's the sugar-daddy bit, where a bloke like Abramovich pumps un-generated cash into his toy club. It's THIS that gets most of us annoyed because we can all see the impact it has on the entire football world.

However, even if you take that out, you will still have clubs who can create the biggest budgets downwards to smaller, less significant clubs such as those who finish mid-table in League 2. How big is Southampton Football Club compared with the rest of Europe or England? Well, in reality, probably no bigger than an average mid-table Premier League team. So, to achieve all that we have started dreaming of these past few seasons, we would need to regularly punch above our weight; out punching teams like Villa, Newcastle and Spurs.

It's right to have the ambition to achieve this AND MORE .... but realistic to remember that we're not going to attract a sell-out crowd to watch a League Cup match against, say, Rochdale on a Tuesday evening in term time. We're just not that club.

So, I say a big fat YES to having ambition, but a frustrated but realistic NO to doubling our transfer spending and wage bill to attract (or keep) players that we can't afford or don't want to be here ..... or, commercially, it would make better sense to sell than to keep until their contract ends and they leave for free or at a vastly reduced price.
Well put by a man who clearly understands how business works and more importantly how it cannot work. Ambition expectations realities only get confusing when the harsh realities are glossed over. Until the whistleblower pipes that the king is wearing no clothes.

Many many clubs are not listening to the man who has realized the king is wearing any clothes - we do not want to be in that number.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: The board would not want to just be a feeder club. If players wants to go and the club gets what it considers a good offer then it's time to do business. SFC has to run at least at break even and hopefully in the black or Katrina will pull the plug. That's why she's in business to make a profit. If this club was pulling in 60k plus fans week in week out, I would have some sympathy with the "doesn't show any ambition" crowd. We don't, we frequently don't fill the ground. That's all about the number of people locally wanting to support the club. Those that do follow do it well but there are not enough of us - that's a fact of life. If Saints were to drop their prices they may be surprised at how many more people would turn up as they could now afford to go and bring the kids etc but that's another point altogether. BTW - Have we had one single confirmation yet that any of these players have put in a transfer request? Perhaps we should wait and see exactly what has transpired first. My only beef is with Lallana who, if he has no intentions of going, should have said so clearly and repeatedly. As captain of this club he has a unique responsibility to board, manager, his teammates and first and foremost to those who pay his wages - us, the fans. He has chosen to conveniently ignore those responsibilities and must accept any consequences for that - On the evidence so far he should at least be stripped of that armband and sold at the first opportunity (IMHO) - there may be more yet to play out on this so we'll see what transpires after the WC.[/p][/quote]Good points, well made, JLS. Every player in every club in the world has a price depending on things such as the timing of a potential sale, who's interested in buying, length of contract, age of player, desire to stay/leave etc. Likewise, every club has a 'size', which, in short, translates as an 'income' (plus, perhaps, an element of prestige it can use to attract players and develop its fan base). This comes, as we all know, from commercial factors, sales etc., TV rights and transfer-generated income etc. Then there's the sugar-daddy bit, where a bloke like Abramovich pumps un-generated cash into his toy club. It's THIS that gets most of us annoyed because we can all see the impact it has on the entire football world. However, even if you take that out, you will still have clubs who can create the biggest budgets downwards to smaller, less significant clubs such as those who finish mid-table in League 2. How big is Southampton Football Club compared with the rest of Europe or England? Well, in reality, probably no bigger than an average mid-table Premier League team. So, to achieve all that we have started dreaming of these past few seasons, we would need to regularly punch above our weight; out punching teams like Villa, Newcastle and Spurs. It's right to have the ambition to achieve this AND MORE .... but realistic to remember that we're not going to attract a sell-out crowd to watch a League Cup match against, say, Rochdale on a Tuesday evening in term time. We're just not that club. So, I say a big fat YES to having ambition, but a frustrated but realistic NO to doubling our transfer spending and wage bill to attract (or keep) players that we can't afford or don't want to be here ..... or, commercially, it would make better sense to sell than to keep until their contract ends and they leave for free or at a vastly reduced price.[/p][/quote]Well put by a man who clearly understands how business works and more importantly how it cannot work. Ambition expectations realities only get confusing when the harsh realities are glossed over. Until the whistleblower pipes that the king is wearing no clothes. Many many clubs are not listening to the man who has realized the king is wearing any clothes - we do not want to be in that number. jls217
  • Score: 0

10:46am Mon 16 Jun 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Malcombe wrote:
Apologies posters I edited and accidentally removed some comma's and full stop, take a deep breath from Hopefully today or this week
Morning Malcolm,I hope you have calmed down from yesterday's rant.
Let's just all pull in the same direction and get behind koeman.
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Apologies posters I edited and accidentally removed some comma's and full stop, take a deep breath from Hopefully today or this week[/p][/quote]Morning Malcolm,I hope you have calmed down from yesterday's rant. Let's just all pull in the same direction and get behind koeman. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 12

10:47am Mon 16 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Just a point of order, has it been confirmed that Lovren DID hand in a transfer request or is that a media myth that has become an imaginary 'fact'? Just asking because I thought Lovren had denied it.

Anyway, while none of us want to see our top players leave, I was reminded the other night that even Arsenal couldn't hang on to Cesc and Rob.

In Jim's day, we couldn't hang on to Channon, before that it was Chivers, later it was Shearer etc......

The frustrating thing today is that, with the youth, we have about 15-20 genuinely great players. IF we can keep all of them and add maybe 3 more, we really could be a force over the coming years.
It is difficult to understand the Lovren situation because the Press have quoted different stories, as far as I can tell there has been no actual written application, there was supposed to have been an e-mailed request, which I wouldn't think counts as a written request? There was a rumour that he had denied making any such request when asked on a Croatian Radio station who were asking him about that Penalty decision. No reliable source has said anything specific, only Press speculation unless you know better. I hope it is untrue but the situation has to be fluid and the new Manager may be able to sort it all out in due course, it depends whether he wants to retain Dejan, that's not a gimme either.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Just a point of order, has it been confirmed that Lovren DID hand in a transfer request or is that a media myth that has become an imaginary 'fact'? Just asking because I thought Lovren had denied it. Anyway, while none of us want to see our top players leave, I was reminded the other night that even Arsenal couldn't hang on to Cesc and Rob. In Jim's day, we couldn't hang on to Channon, before that it was Chivers, later it was Shearer etc...... The frustrating thing today is that, with the youth, we have about 15-20 genuinely great players. IF we can keep all of them and add maybe 3 more, we really could be a force over the coming years.[/p][/quote]It is difficult to understand the Lovren situation because the Press have quoted different stories, as far as I can tell there has been no actual written application, there was supposed to have been an e-mailed request, which I wouldn't think counts as a written request? There was a rumour that he had denied making any such request when asked on a Croatian Radio station who were asking him about that Penalty decision. No reliable source has said anything specific, only Press speculation unless you know better. I hope it is untrue but the situation has to be fluid and the new Manager may be able to sort it all out in due course, it depends whether he wants to retain Dejan, that's not a gimme either. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

10:54am Mon 16 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

jls217 wrote:
saints4eva12 wrote:
jim is right is being going for years the big clubs pick n mix with our players enough is enough no more !!!!!!!
Then convince your family, mates etc to go to the games and the board will then have to rethink the stadium and add a lot more space.

On 32,000 seats and some of them not filled Saints cannot go much further than we are currently doing.

If 60,000 were to turn up regularly then we'd be in with the big boys.

Up to the people of Southampton and the surrounding towns really.

I don't think Saints do enough to capture them as kids. Far too many shirts from other clubs seen around town and across Hampshire and the IOW too. These kids should be born hearing nothing else and seeing nothing else except Saints and it just ain't happening now.
I agree with this but on here you are preaching mostly to the converted!
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saints4eva12[/bold] wrote: jim is right is being going for years the big clubs pick n mix with our players enough is enough no more !!!!!!![/p][/quote]Then convince your family, mates etc to go to the games and the board will then have to rethink the stadium and add a lot more space. On 32,000 seats and some of them not filled Saints cannot go much further than we are currently doing. If 60,000 were to turn up regularly then we'd be in with the big boys. Up to the people of Southampton and the surrounding towns really. I don't think Saints do enough to capture them as kids. Far too many shirts from other clubs seen around town and across Hampshire and the IOW too. These kids should be born hearing nothing else and seeing nothing else except Saints and it just ain't happening now.[/p][/quote]I agree with this but on here you are preaching mostly to the converted! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

10:55am Mon 16 Jun 14

jasons odd says...

Well said Jim ... its all about ambition . Do the board have ambitions of making us a top club ? ...or will they sell our stars from time to time and be happy with mid table ?

.... I know which one Mr Cortese chose
Well said Jim ... its all about ambition . Do the board have ambitions of making us a top club ? ...or will they sell our stars from time to time and be happy with mid table ? .... I know which one Mr Cortese chose jasons odd
  • Score: 2

10:56am Mon 16 Jun 14

Alicesdad says...

Steele's comments are the knee jerk reactions from someone responding to press hype and rumours. He should know better. He is not an insider and has no more detailed perspective on what is happening than Alicescat. He was a great club servant in the old world and a cup final legend. Today he is an old boy who has found a local rag to use as a platform. It's just pub talk. He's welcome to his opinion though although I disagree with nearly everything he has said except what he says about Koeman.

I understand that many people make these snap judgements based on the rear-end outpourings from certain papers, but you should let the facts point the way. The only facts we have are - MoPo has left - we sold Lambert - we have bids for certain players - we are about to sign a quality manager.

Weigh that up before you start bad mouthing the board and saying they have no ambition, that is both ridiculous and totally unfounded.
Steele's comments are the knee jerk reactions from someone responding to press hype and rumours. He should know better. He is not an insider and has no more detailed perspective on what is happening than Alicescat. He was a great club servant in the old world and a cup final legend. Today he is an old boy who has found a local rag to use as a platform. It's just pub talk. He's welcome to his opinion though although I disagree with nearly everything he has said except what he says about Koeman. I understand that many people make these snap judgements based on the rear-end outpourings from certain papers, but you should let the facts point the way. The only facts we have are - MoPo has left - we sold Lambert - we have bids for certain players - we are about to sign a quality manager. Weigh that up before you start bad mouthing the board and saying they have no ambition, that is both ridiculous and totally unfounded. Alicesdad
  • Score: 6

10:58am Mon 16 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

People say we're not prepared to compete on wages but wasn't Osvaldo on £70k a week? If I was Adam on £35k a week, captain of the team and being selected for my country on my playing performances for Saints then I'd expect to be at least joint highest paid at the club.

I fully accept we cannot and will not pay the stupid £300k a week Rooney type salaries.
People say we're not prepared to compete on wages but wasn't Osvaldo on £70k a week? If I was Adam on £35k a week, captain of the team and being selected for my country on my playing performances for Saints then I'd expect to be at least joint highest paid at the club. I fully accept we cannot and will not pay the stupid £300k a week Rooney type salaries. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 5

11:01am Mon 16 Jun 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

"There's no ambition"

Are you having a f u c k i n g laugh!!!

HOW MANY MORE TIMES DO RALPH AND LES HAVE TO SAY - "WE ARE PUSHING FOR EUROPE" !!!!!!!!!!

ABOUT TIME THE MEDIA, FANS AND OLD PLAYERS START TO LISTEN!!
"There's no ambition" Are you having a f u c k i n g laugh!!! HOW MANY MORE TIMES DO RALPH AND LES HAVE TO SAY - "WE ARE PUSHING FOR EUROPE" !!!!!!!!!! ABOUT TIME THE MEDIA, FANS AND OLD PLAYERS START TO LISTEN!! SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 4

11:03am Mon 16 Jun 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
People say we're not prepared to compete on wages but wasn't Osvaldo on £70k a week? If I was Adam on £35k a week, captain of the team and being selected for my country on my playing performances for Saints then I'd expect to be at least joint highest paid at the club.

I fully accept we cannot and will not pay the stupid £300k a week Rooney type salaries.
You'll have to ask NC about that one, Seed.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: People say we're not prepared to compete on wages but wasn't Osvaldo on £70k a week? If I was Adam on £35k a week, captain of the team and being selected for my country on my playing performances for Saints then I'd expect to be at least joint highest paid at the club. I fully accept we cannot and will not pay the stupid £300k a week Rooney type salaries.[/p][/quote]You'll have to ask NC about that one, Seed. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 1

11:05am Mon 16 Jun 14

techsture says...

It's business.

30 million is far too much money for shaw, he can be replaced for 3 million and the rest services the debt.

25 million is too much for AL who has a dodgy knee and prob has 4 years tops left on him.

15 million for lovern is almost 100% profit in a year.

Each deal benefits SFC
It's business. 30 million is far too much money for shaw, he can be replaced for 3 million and the rest services the debt. 25 million is too much for AL who has a dodgy knee and prob has 4 years tops left on him. 15 million for lovern is almost 100% profit in a year. Each deal benefits SFC techsture
  • Score: -4

11:05am Mon 16 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Yet again, someone who should know better, claims "there's no ambition", based on the departure of a duplicitous and deceitful manager, who Matt Le Tissier indicated, on Twitter, did a fair bit of sh1t stirring before he left.

That only Lambert, among the players has actually gone, shows that the club do have ambition.
That we are on the verge of signing a BIG name manager (allegedly) shows that the club has ambition.
If the manager then gets a decent transfer pot, I've heard around £35m, PLUS money from sales, that shows the club has ambition

Hopefully, this new manager will remind the players that they are contracted to the club and will only be allowed to leave when it is acceptable to the club, both in timing and fee received.

BUT, if the players still decide that they want to move on, despite all of the above, then they are NOT asking to leave because the club has lacked ambition. They are asking to leave because they have been offered a lot of money and the opportunity of playing European football THIS year, rather than try and achieve it next year, at the club that was ambitious enough to invest in their abilities, in the first place.

After all that the media has done, to wear the club and it's fans down, we start seeing some hope, with positive comments about the future, on here and other forums.
It just takes one unsubstantiated comment, from an ex-pro, and all the "woe is me" brigade are back out in force.
This and several other comments on here are nearer to the truth than the constant drone of negativity prevalent recently, but it makes you wonder what the agenda against the Club is all about at times. It seems to be a common British trait (particularly the Press) to build up something that is good, just so they can shoot it down in flames at the first opportunity.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Yet again, someone who should know better, claims "there's no ambition", based on the departure of a duplicitous and deceitful manager, who Matt Le Tissier indicated, on Twitter, did a fair bit of sh1t stirring before he left. That only Lambert, among the players has actually gone, shows that the club do have ambition. That we are on the verge of signing a BIG name manager (allegedly) shows that the club has ambition. If the manager then gets a decent transfer pot, I've heard around £35m, PLUS money from sales, that shows the club has ambition Hopefully, this new manager will remind the players that they are contracted to the club and will only be allowed to leave when it is acceptable to the club, both in timing and fee received. BUT, if the players still decide that they want to move on, despite all of the above, then they are NOT asking to leave because the club has lacked ambition. They are asking to leave because they have been offered a lot of money and the opportunity of playing European football THIS year, rather than try and achieve it next year, at the club that was ambitious enough to invest in their abilities, in the first place. After all that the media has done, to wear the club and it's fans down, we start seeing some hope, with positive comments about the future, on here and other forums. It just takes one unsubstantiated comment, from an ex-pro, and all the "woe is me" brigade are back out in force.[/p][/quote]This and several other comments on here are nearer to the truth than the constant drone of negativity prevalent recently, but it makes you wonder what the agenda against the Club is all about at times. It seems to be a common British trait (particularly the Press) to build up something that is good, just so they can shoot it down in flames at the first opportunity. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 6

11:19am Mon 16 Jun 14

Scallysaint says...

Why do clubs even bother with Contracts?Seems it doesnt matter as they can leave anytime they like,loyalty is a thing of the past we all know only a couple of players who remained loyal to Saints.So if Koeman is announced as our manager and proves to be a success will hw leave? I expect he might and i have to say i bet Mr N Adkins is having a bit of a Chuckle.... Players r having heads turned at big cash by "Big Clubs" for wat to sit on bench in hope of a ten min run out......Good Riddance u made yr name at southampton fc your NOT bigger than the club n a mere speck at a club up North :P
Why do clubs even bother with Contracts?Seems it doesnt matter as they can leave anytime they like,loyalty is a thing of the past we all know only a couple of players who remained loyal to Saints.So if Koeman is announced as our manager and proves to be a success will hw leave? I expect he might and i have to say i bet Mr N Adkins is having a bit of a Chuckle.... Players r having heads turned at big cash by "Big Clubs" for wat to sit on bench in hope of a ten min run out......Good Riddance u made yr name at southampton fc your NOT bigger than the club n a mere speck at a club up North :P Scallysaint
  • Score: -2

11:24am Mon 16 Jun 14

alanrr says...

money will always talk and footballers and their agents will listen......under fair play we cannot pay £100k let alone £300k we need to sign a couple of Chinese and a couple of indian players to get the Asian markets interested in us as a team to support
money will always talk and footballers and their agents will listen......under fair play we cannot pay £100k let alone £300k we need to sign a couple of Chinese and a couple of indian players to get the Asian markets interested in us as a team to support alanrr
  • Score: 2

11:30am Mon 16 Jun 14

Malcombe says...

Sammy2sheds

Yes I'm fine and often feel better after a rant don't we all? I was born with a very good sense of humour but when it's a constant wind up it's gets on my _ _ ts like I've noticed it also affects others.
I'm not that sensitive but after all the horribleness that's happened about my one and only Club I've supported for over 40 years enough is enough and then you doing your naughty stuff I want to smash 10 colours of sh!! out my Laptop.

To the positives Sammy looks like it's a done deal with Ronald and maybe his brother and we all want to know if it's true, if I was taking the job I'd fall out with my twin in the first 5 minutes so Ronald and Erwin must be very good friends a bit like Ant & Dec, we all want honesty, integrity and loyalty these three qualities vital and deserved to the Club and Supporters
Sammy2sheds Yes I'm fine and often feel better after a rant don't we all? I was born with a very good sense of humour but when it's a constant wind up it's gets on my _ _ ts like I've noticed it also affects others. I'm not that sensitive but after all the horribleness that's happened about my one and only Club I've supported for over 40 years enough is enough and then you doing your naughty stuff I want to smash 10 colours of sh!! out my Laptop. To the positives Sammy looks like it's a done deal with Ronald and maybe his brother and we all want to know if it's true, if I was taking the job I'd fall out with my twin in the first 5 minutes so Ronald and Erwin must be very good friends a bit like Ant & Dec, we all want honesty, integrity and loyalty these three qualities vital and deserved to the Club and Supporters Malcombe
  • Score: 2

11:42am Mon 16 Jun 14

costa gaz says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
People say we're not prepared to compete on wages but wasn't Osvaldo on £70k a week? If I was Adam on £35k a week, captain of the team and being selected for my country on my playing performances for Saints then I'd expect to be at least joint highest paid at the club.

I fully accept we cannot and will not pay the stupid £300k a week Rooney type salaries.
You'll have to ask NC about that one, Seed.
£52m last season 5th lowest in the PL, lower than Norwich, Fulham, Sunderland and many more.
One player who was signed in desperation and didn't actually want to come here was not going to have much impact on the total amount.
Don't know anything about individuals wages, but the total equates to about 20% of Man City's.
This where were at i'ma afraid.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: People say we're not prepared to compete on wages but wasn't Osvaldo on £70k a week? If I was Adam on £35k a week, captain of the team and being selected for my country on my playing performances for Saints then I'd expect to be at least joint highest paid at the club. I fully accept we cannot and will not pay the stupid £300k a week Rooney type salaries.[/p][/quote]You'll have to ask NC about that one, Seed.[/p][/quote]£52m last season 5th lowest in the PL, lower than Norwich, Fulham, Sunderland and many more. One player who was signed in desperation and didn't actually want to come here was not going to have much impact on the total amount. Don't know anything about individuals wages, but the total equates to about 20% of Man City's. This where were at i'ma afraid. costa gaz
  • Score: 3

11:46am Mon 16 Jun 14

Phil1977 says...

Great player. Clueless opinion.
Great player. Clueless opinion. Phil1977
  • Score: -4

12:05pm Mon 16 Jun 14

NewForestStu says...

LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Innit Jim
Hello Little Lee.....how's thing ticking along with the Tiny Totts then? Still got these visions of being a massive force in the PL?
[quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Innit Jim[/p][/quote]Hello Little Lee.....how's thing ticking along with the Tiny Totts then? Still got these visions of being a massive force in the PL? NewForestStu
  • Score: 3

12:49pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Wembley76 says...

C'mon Jim.....Loved watching you play back in the 70's...never knew quite what was going to happen...but fun all the same....but as for your opinion....you have the same right to express as anyone else...but frankly I cannot possibly agree with your notion of 'no ambition'....the club has poured millions into players, wages and infrastructure...but at the end of the day there are limits,,, the same as 95% of the other clubs in the football league>>>we do not have a sheikh or oligarch ...funding the bottomless pit....as for 'feeder clubs'...well that applies to virtually every club in the world apart from a v small elite....did Arsenal want to sell Fabregas, Henri, etc etc or Spurs sell Bale...We live unfortunately in a football world where money is the only real differentiator....th
e days of a Forest, Villa, Derby, or even Everton winning the league are gone Jim....so let's have realistic expectations not populist commentary which rubbishes the real good the owners have done for the club since we were bankrupt!!!
C'mon Jim.....Loved watching you play back in the 70's...never knew quite what was going to happen...but fun all the same....but as for your opinion....you have the same right to express as anyone else...but frankly I cannot possibly agree with your notion of 'no ambition'....the club has poured millions into players, wages and infrastructure...but at the end of the day there are limits,,, the same as 95% of the other clubs in the football league>>>we do not have a sheikh or oligarch ...funding the bottomless pit....as for 'feeder clubs'...well that applies to virtually every club in the world apart from a v small elite....did Arsenal want to sell Fabregas, Henri, etc etc or Spurs sell Bale...We live unfortunately in a football world where money is the only real differentiator....th e days of a Forest, Villa, Derby, or even Everton winning the league are gone Jim....so let's have realistic expectations not populist commentary which rubbishes the real good the owners have done for the club since we were bankrupt!!! Wembley76
  • Score: 4

1:10pm Mon 16 Jun 14

saints fan #1 says...

techsture wrote:
It's business. 30 million is far too much money for shaw, he can be replaced for 3 million and the rest services the debt. 25 million is too much for AL who has a dodgy knee and prob has 4 years tops left on him. 15 million for lovern is almost 100% profit in a year. Each deal benefits SFC
At what value do you put our Grounds Keeper Will at
[quote][p][bold]techsture[/bold] wrote: It's business. 30 million is far too much money for shaw, he can be replaced for 3 million and the rest services the debt. 25 million is too much for AL who has a dodgy knee and prob has 4 years tops left on him. 15 million for lovern is almost 100% profit in a year. Each deal benefits SFC[/p][/quote]At what value do you put our Grounds Keeper Will at saints fan #1
  • Score: 0

1:18pm Mon 16 Jun 14

alan.of.eastleigh says...

Sorry - have I missed something? As far as I can tell, we have the same squad of players as last season other than Rickie (who has gone to wind down his career with some northen premier mid table side) - who most thought only had a year left at the top anyway.

We have actually upgraded our manager under difficult circumstances and have held firm on pricing Lallana and Shaw to the point where Liverpool and Man Utd are now moving on to other targets.

I suspect Jim (one of our best CBs of all time - despite the Anderlecht gaff) will regret those quotes when he wakes up in the morning.
Sorry - have I missed something? As far as I can tell, we have the same squad of players as last season other than Rickie (who has gone to wind down his career with some northen premier mid table side) - who most thought only had a year left at the top anyway. We have actually upgraded our manager under difficult circumstances and have held firm on pricing Lallana and Shaw to the point where Liverpool and Man Utd are now moving on to other targets. I suspect Jim (one of our best CBs of all time - despite the Anderlecht gaff) will regret those quotes when he wakes up in the morning. alan.of.eastleigh
  • Score: 2

2:07pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

costa gaz wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
People say we're not prepared to compete on wages but wasn't Osvaldo on £70k a week? If I was Adam on £35k a week, captain of the team and being selected for my country on my playing performances for Saints then I'd expect to be at least joint highest paid at the club.

I fully accept we cannot and will not pay the stupid £300k a week Rooney type salaries.
You'll have to ask NC about that one, Seed.
£52m last season 5th lowest in the PL, lower than Norwich, Fulham, Sunderland and many more.
One player who was signed in desperation and didn't actually want to come here was not going to have much impact on the total amount.
Don't know anything about individuals wages, but the total equates to about 20% of Man City's.
This where were at i'ma afraid.
The rumour was £70k which was the same as the combined wages of Rickie and Adam. The effect is not just on the bottom line of expenditure it's also the effect on the other players who may feel miffed that a dud is earning double them (if those wage figures are correct.)

I've said before the academy is fantastic as it saves on transfer fees but not necessarily wages in the long term. Liverpool and Man U have to shell out best part of £60m between them if they want Adam and Luke. We can have them without the capital outlay but will need to pay comparable wages and show ambition for league position if we are to retain these types of players.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: People say we're not prepared to compete on wages but wasn't Osvaldo on £70k a week? If I was Adam on £35k a week, captain of the team and being selected for my country on my playing performances for Saints then I'd expect to be at least joint highest paid at the club. I fully accept we cannot and will not pay the stupid £300k a week Rooney type salaries.[/p][/quote]You'll have to ask NC about that one, Seed.[/p][/quote]£52m last season 5th lowest in the PL, lower than Norwich, Fulham, Sunderland and many more. One player who was signed in desperation and didn't actually want to come here was not going to have much impact on the total amount. Don't know anything about individuals wages, but the total equates to about 20% of Man City's. This where were at i'ma afraid.[/p][/quote]The rumour was £70k which was the same as the combined wages of Rickie and Adam. The effect is not just on the bottom line of expenditure it's also the effect on the other players who may feel miffed that a dud is earning double them (if those wage figures are correct.) I've said before the academy is fantastic as it saves on transfer fees but not necessarily wages in the long term. Liverpool and Man U have to shell out best part of £60m between them if they want Adam and Luke. We can have them without the capital outlay but will need to pay comparable wages and show ambition for league position if we are to retain these types of players. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

2:10pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

techsture wrote:
It's business.

30 million is far too much money for shaw, he can be replaced for 3 million and the rest services the debt.

25 million is too much for AL who has a dodgy knee and prob has 4 years tops left on him.

15 million for lovern is almost 100% profit in a year.

Each deal benefits SFC
The only acid test is IF they are sold and replaced is whether we end up 8th or higher.
[quote][p][bold]techsture[/bold] wrote: It's business. 30 million is far too much money for shaw, he can be replaced for 3 million and the rest services the debt. 25 million is too much for AL who has a dodgy knee and prob has 4 years tops left on him. 15 million for lovern is almost 100% profit in a year. Each deal benefits SFC[/p][/quote]The only acid test is IF they are sold and replaced is whether we end up 8th or higher. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

3:14pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Billy Bowl says...

As Jim say's the situation is ridiculous and we don't have to sell any of the players or need the money. Glad I haven't bought a season ticket yet as I see us in a relegation battle the way things are going.
I don't believe Koeman will be a good appointment as if he proves successful we will only be a stepping stone for him also.
As Jim say's the situation is ridiculous and we don't have to sell any of the players or need the money. Glad I haven't bought a season ticket yet as I see us in a relegation battle the way things are going. I don't believe Koeman will be a good appointment as if he proves successful we will only be a stepping stone for him also. Billy Bowl
  • Score: -6

6:03pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Simmo13 says...

Billy Bowl wrote:
As Jim say's the situation is ridiculous and we don't have to sell any of the players or need the money. Glad I haven't bought a season ticket yet as I see us in a relegation battle the way things are going.
I don't believe Koeman will be a good appointment as if he proves successful we will only be a stepping stone for him also.
Bloody hell mate give the man a chance and if you just don't buy a season ticket on the strength of what has happened god help us. If AL, DL, goes and LS he will have upwards of £70m to spend as it's already been stated any sales the money will be reinvested in new players. The mans name alone will attract quality because of the respect in the game they have for him and what he has achieved. MoPo took over what was already a good side from Adkins he was lucky right position right time and he has done nothing yet so hope you are tarring him with the same brush as well !
Glass half empty comes to mind !
[quote][p][bold]Billy Bowl[/bold] wrote: As Jim say's the situation is ridiculous and we don't have to sell any of the players or need the money. Glad I haven't bought a season ticket yet as I see us in a relegation battle the way things are going. I don't believe Koeman will be a good appointment as if he proves successful we will only be a stepping stone for him also.[/p][/quote]Bloody hell mate give the man a chance and if you just don't buy a season ticket on the strength of what has happened god help us. If AL, DL, goes and LS he will have upwards of £70m to spend as it's already been stated any sales the money will be reinvested in new players. The mans name alone will attract quality because of the respect in the game they have for him and what he has achieved. MoPo took over what was already a good side from Adkins he was lucky right position right time and he has done nothing yet so hope you are tarring him with the same brush as well ! Glass half empty comes to mind ! Simmo13
  • Score: 0

6:03pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Simmo13 says...

Billy Bowl wrote:
As Jim say's the situation is ridiculous and we don't have to sell any of the players or need the money. Glad I haven't bought a season ticket yet as I see us in a relegation battle the way things are going.
I don't believe Koeman will be a good appointment as if he proves successful we will only be a stepping stone for him also.
Bloody hell mate give the man a chance and if you just don't buy a season ticket on the strength of what has happened god help us. If AL, DL, goes and LS he will have upwards of £70m to spend as it's already been stated any sales the money will be reinvested in new players. The mans name alone will attract quality because of the respect in the game they have for him and what he has achieved. MoPo took over what was already a good side from Adkins he was lucky right position right time and he has done nothing yet so hope you are tarring him with the same brush as well !
Glass half empty comes to mind !
[quote][p][bold]Billy Bowl[/bold] wrote: As Jim say's the situation is ridiculous and we don't have to sell any of the players or need the money. Glad I haven't bought a season ticket yet as I see us in a relegation battle the way things are going. I don't believe Koeman will be a good appointment as if he proves successful we will only be a stepping stone for him also.[/p][/quote]Bloody hell mate give the man a chance and if you just don't buy a season ticket on the strength of what has happened god help us. If AL, DL, goes and LS he will have upwards of £70m to spend as it's already been stated any sales the money will be reinvested in new players. The mans name alone will attract quality because of the respect in the game they have for him and what he has achieved. MoPo took over what was already a good side from Adkins he was lucky right position right time and he has done nothing yet so hope you are tarring him with the same brush as well ! Glass half empty comes to mind ! Simmo13
  • Score: 2

6:11pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Simmo13 says...

NewForestStu wrote:
LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Innit Jim
Hello Little Lee.....how's thing ticking along with the Tiny Totts then? Still got these visions of being a massive force in the PL?
Hello tiny Lee how's things going glad you managed to poach Mopey because it gave us the chance to improve on him by about 100%.
[quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Innit Jim[/p][/quote]Hello Little Lee.....how's thing ticking along with the Tiny Totts then? Still got these visions of being a massive force in the PL?[/p][/quote]Hello tiny Lee how's things going glad you managed to poach Mopey because it gave us the chance to improve on him by about 100%. Simmo13
  • Score: 2

6:11pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Simmo13 says...

NewForestStu wrote:
LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Innit Jim
Hello Little Lee.....how's thing ticking along with the Tiny Totts then? Still got these visions of being a massive force in the PL?
Hello tiny Lee how's things going glad you managed to poach Mopey because it gave us the chance to improve on him by about 100%.
[quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Innit Jim[/p][/quote]Hello Little Lee.....how's thing ticking along with the Tiny Totts then? Still got these visions of being a massive force in the PL?[/p][/quote]Hello tiny Lee how's things going glad you managed to poach Mopey because it gave us the chance to improve on him by about 100%. Simmo13
  • Score: 0

6:11pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Simmo13 says...

NewForestStu wrote:
LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Innit Jim
Hello Little Lee.....how's thing ticking along with the Tiny Totts then? Still got these visions of being a massive force in the PL?
Hello tiny Lee how's things going glad you managed to poach Mopey because it gave us the chance to improve on him by about 100%.
[quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Innit Jim[/p][/quote]Hello Little Lee.....how's thing ticking along with the Tiny Totts then? Still got these visions of being a massive force in the PL?[/p][/quote]Hello tiny Lee how's things going glad you managed to poach Mopey because it gave us the chance to improve on him by about 100%. Simmo13
  • Score: 0

6:11pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Simmo13 says...

NewForestStu wrote:
LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Innit Jim
Hello Little Lee.....how's thing ticking along with the Tiny Totts then? Still got these visions of being a massive force in the PL?
Hello tiny Lee how's things going glad you managed to poach Mopey because it gave us the chance to improve on him by about 100%.
[quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Innit Jim[/p][/quote]Hello Little Lee.....how's thing ticking along with the Tiny Totts then? Still got these visions of being a massive force in the PL?[/p][/quote]Hello tiny Lee how's things going glad you managed to poach Mopey because it gave us the chance to improve on him by about 100%. Simmo13
  • Score: 0

7:42pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Nearly an OAP says...

Wise words from an ex-Saint when Saints beat Man. Utd. in the FA Cup, something Man. Utd. fans here in Manchester don't wish to talk about. Loyalty was a common thing in those days with legends such as Terry Paine, John Sydenham and other Saints staying loyal to the club, but nowadays it's a case of go where the biggest paycheck is. Can't see it changing either because we live in a greedy society.
Wise words from an ex-Saint when Saints beat Man. Utd. in the FA Cup, something Man. Utd. fans here in Manchester don't wish to talk about. Loyalty was a common thing in those days with legends such as Terry Paine, John Sydenham and other Saints staying loyal to the club, but nowadays it's a case of go where the biggest paycheck is. Can't see it changing either because we live in a greedy society. Nearly an OAP
  • Score: 2

11:35pm Mon 16 Jun 14

jawcaw says...

The same thing happens every year we get good players we get in a great position in the league and then the big boys say hey we better put a bid in for the best players otherwise they could overtake us. We then end up struggling again. I'm afraid I didn't buy a season ticket f or next season for that very same reason.
The same thing happens every year we get good players we get in a great position in the league and then the big boys say hey we better put a bid in for the best players otherwise they could overtake us. We then end up struggling again. I'm afraid I didn't buy a season ticket f or next season for that very same reason. jawcaw
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10:58am Tue 17 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

jawcaw wrote:
The same thing happens every year we get good players we get in a great position in the league and then the big boys say hey we better put a bid in for the best players otherwise they could overtake us. We then end up struggling again. I'm afraid I didn't buy a season ticket f or next season for that very same reason.
Quitter!
[quote][p][bold]jawcaw[/bold] wrote: The same thing happens every year we get good players we get in a great position in the league and then the big boys say hey we better put a bid in for the best players otherwise they could overtake us. We then end up struggling again. I'm afraid I didn't buy a season ticket f or next season for that very same reason.[/p][/quote]Quitter! OSPREYSAINT
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11:10am Tue 17 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
techsture wrote:
It's business.

30 million is far too much money for shaw, he can be replaced for 3 million and the rest services the debt.

25 million is too much for AL who has a dodgy knee and prob has 4 years tops left on him.

15 million for lovern is almost 100% profit in a year.

Each deal benefits SFC
The only acid test is IF they are sold and replaced is whether we end up 8th or higher.
Absolutely, the Bench Mark is 8th in the Premier, how did we do this? Was it us over achieving, or were we just genuinely better than the teams below us?
Statistics don't lie, but are open to interpretation are they not?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]techsture[/bold] wrote: It's business. 30 million is far too much money for shaw, he can be replaced for 3 million and the rest services the debt. 25 million is too much for AL who has a dodgy knee and prob has 4 years tops left on him. 15 million for lovern is almost 100% profit in a year. Each deal benefits SFC[/p][/quote]The only acid test is IF they are sold and replaced is whether we end up 8th or higher.[/p][/quote]Absolutely, the Bench Mark is 8th in the Premier, how did we do this? Was it us over achieving, or were we just genuinely better than the teams below us? Statistics don't lie, but are open to interpretation are they not? OSPREYSAINT
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3:16pm Tue 17 Jun 14

the Newmarket Saint says...

A bit premature Jimmy dont start knocking the great club that gave you a good living till youve got all the facts
A bit premature Jimmy dont start knocking the great club that gave you a good living till youve got all the facts the Newmarket Saint
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