Ex-England star Paul Scholes: Man United paying a huge fee for Luke Shaw will have 'bad long term impact' on Premier League

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FORMER England star Paul Scholes has hit out at Manchester United’s desire to pay a huge fee for Saints left back Luke Shaw.

He believes his former club's desire to pay a huge fee for the 18-year-old - reported in some places to be as high as £34m - will have a 'bad long term' impact on the Premier League - and the English national team as a result.

"Compared to La Liga and the Bundesliga, English players are not getting enough first-team time in the Premier League," said Scholes.

"We're going backwards from 1990 and the era of Paul Gascoigne and that conveyor belt of talent. Simply, the Premier League is riddled with average foreign players. This is having a detrimental effect on the opportunities for young English talent and our international results.

"Players as talented as David Silva, Robin van Persie, Sergio Aguero and Eden Hazard only make the Premier League stronger. But it seems the Premier League is known as a market for average players (or their agents) to say: 'I'll go to England and they'll pay me stupid money to play'.

"The proposed £34m transfer for Luke Shaw to United is another example of something which has a bad long-term impact.

"Clubs are priced out of this market which is why they go abroad for cheap options.

"For a left back to be worth £34m shows how silly the game has gone."

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8:16am Fri 27 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though.

Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.
Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though. Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -28

8:24am Fri 27 Jun 14

SaintPC says...

I agree with you on the point that UTD are victims of their own strategy, if they bring through their own English talent then they don't have to pay over the odds for ours.

But I disagree with you about the grabbing he money point. Everyone has been really clear that no players would leave until a new manager was appointed and he decided who he wanted to keep. They also said quite clearly that the money would be reinvested in the team. The only time to pass judgement on the board is at the end of the transfer window when we assess who has gone and who we have brought in. Criticising them now without knowing the final plans is an easy thing do to but isn't fair in my opinion. COYR
I agree with you on the point that UTD are victims of their own strategy, if they bring through their own English talent then they don't have to pay over the odds for ours. But I disagree with you about the grabbing he money point. Everyone has been really clear that no players would leave until a new manager was appointed and he decided who he wanted to keep. They also said quite clearly that the money would be reinvested in the team. The only time to pass judgement on the board is at the end of the transfer window when we assess who has gone and who we have brought in. Criticising them now without knowing the final plans is an easy thing do to but isn't fair in my opinion. COYR SaintPC
  • Score: 84

8:39am Fri 27 Jun 14

harryperth says...

One has to ask for that sort of money can a team like Saint's not accept the offer? you can buy a few good players for 30 mill, and he wanted to go so i think that was a good bit of horse trading.
One has to ask for that sort of money can a team like Saint's not accept the offer? you can buy a few good players for 30 mill, and he wanted to go so i think that was a good bit of horse trading. harryperth
  • Score: 46

8:41am Fri 27 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

SaintPC wrote:
I agree with you on the point that UTD are victims of their own strategy, if they bring through their own English talent then they don't have to pay over the odds for ours.

But I disagree with you about the grabbing he money point. Everyone has been really clear that no players would leave until a new manager was appointed and he decided who he wanted to keep. They also said quite clearly that the money would be reinvested in the team. The only time to pass judgement on the board is at the end of the transfer window when we assess who has gone and who we have brought in. Criticising them now without knowing the final plans is an easy thing do to but isn't fair in my opinion. COYR
You make a valid point it's just that I think the writing is on the wall. Cortese and then MoPo left because they felt the club lacked ambition. The players focal point was MoPo and his departure weakened the resolve to stay and push on. Kreugers inaugural speech was about finances when it should have been about ambition on the pitch - we are after all a bloody football club!

But yes let's wait and see. I really hope I've completely and totally misread this.
[quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I agree with you on the point that UTD are victims of their own strategy, if they bring through their own English talent then they don't have to pay over the odds for ours. But I disagree with you about the grabbing he money point. Everyone has been really clear that no players would leave until a new manager was appointed and he decided who he wanted to keep. They also said quite clearly that the money would be reinvested in the team. The only time to pass judgement on the board is at the end of the transfer window when we assess who has gone and who we have brought in. Criticising them now without knowing the final plans is an easy thing do to but isn't fair in my opinion. COYR[/p][/quote]You make a valid point it's just that I think the writing is on the wall. Cortese and then MoPo left because they felt the club lacked ambition. The players focal point was MoPo and his departure weakened the resolve to stay and push on. Kreugers inaugural speech was about finances when it should have been about ambition on the pitch - we are after all a bloody football club! But yes let's wait and see. I really hope I've completely and totally misread this. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

8:43am Fri 27 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

The only "BAD EFFECT" it will have on the premier league is that teams who invest in a proper youth policy will inherit the league and those who just poach will run out of money
The only "BAD EFFECT" it will have on the premier league is that teams who invest in a proper youth policy will inherit the league and those who just poach will run out of money Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 51

8:53am Fri 27 Jun 14

killared says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though.

Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.
I'm sorry but Scholes is right you can look at us for example Ramirez average, Yoshida average, Fonte average, Osvaldo average. Only the big boys can buy the real world class foreign players. Now yes our club is giving youth a chance but I don't believe Shaw is worth 30 odd million good for our club yes ! but bad for business. We might lose Lallana next and we gonna replace him with an average player because we can't buy a world class replacement. They won't come to our club because we are not in Europe. Scholes is right the EPL is full of average foreign players because English are too expensive and most of the time overrated. I believe for Shaw fee we could buy another player with Shaw ability and cheaper abroad, I still believe Shaw is good but not world class good is not Alaba, Bale, Alves, Cole.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though. Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but Scholes is right you can look at us for example Ramirez average, Yoshida average, Fonte average, Osvaldo average. Only the big boys can buy the real world class foreign players. Now yes our club is giving youth a chance but I don't believe Shaw is worth 30 odd million good for our club yes ! but bad for business. We might lose Lallana next and we gonna replace him with an average player because we can't buy a world class replacement. They won't come to our club because we are not in Europe. Scholes is right the EPL is full of average foreign players because English are too expensive and most of the time overrated. I believe for Shaw fee we could buy another player with Shaw ability and cheaper abroad, I still believe Shaw is good but not world class good is not Alaba, Bale, Alves, Cole. killared
  • Score: 17

8:57am Fri 27 Jun 14

Blackknight says...

Let's see what happens to the Shaw transfer money.

Investment in new players or the Liebherr investment portfolio?
Let's see what happens to the Shaw transfer money. Investment in new players or the Liebherr investment portfolio? Blackknight
  • Score: -20

8:57am Fri 27 Jun 14

saintbobby says...

Actually, Paul's comments somewhat soften the loss of Luke in that he is saying that Manure are paying too much to sign him.

I reckon the Board took the same view and thought that, as promised, the club could do a lot with that money. "Gift horse in the mouth " comes to mind.

Said previously, sorry to see him go, but when the money is spent then - we all might be quite happy. We will see.
Actually, Paul's comments somewhat soften the loss of Luke in that he is saying that Manure are paying too much to sign him. I reckon the Board took the same view and thought that, as promised, the club could do a lot with that money. "Gift horse in the mouth " comes to mind. Said previously, sorry to see him go, but when the money is spent then - we all might be quite happy. We will see. saintbobby
  • Score: 19

9:03am Fri 27 Jun 14

Chipmonk1 says...

I hate to agree with Scholes but this is what is wrong with the game. Paying a 19 year old £100k p/wk is ludicrous let alone the transfer fee. Good luck to Utd they'll need it. Luke is good but still a long way off his potential. Every time he gets near the box he seems to overcook it. I hope for his sake it works out but he won't find Utd to be as patient with his development as Saints would have been. I also agree with previous posts regarding this being big Rons decision as long as it is reinvested I am comfortable with the deal. Only player I really hope stays is Morgan and if AL goes I think he is a good shout for captain
I hate to agree with Scholes but this is what is wrong with the game. Paying a 19 year old £100k p/wk is ludicrous let alone the transfer fee. Good luck to Utd they'll need it. Luke is good but still a long way off his potential. Every time he gets near the box he seems to overcook it. I hope for his sake it works out but he won't find Utd to be as patient with his development as Saints would have been. I also agree with previous posts regarding this being big Rons decision as long as it is reinvested I am comfortable with the deal. Only player I really hope stays is Morgan and if AL goes I think he is a good shout for captain Chipmonk1
  • Score: 45

9:04am Fri 27 Jun 14

St Van Roetford says...

Hey, Paul, you know what will have a bad long-term impact? Multi-millionaire footballers who are so greedy that they take money to write a column promoting a gambling website, which is where the above quotes are lifted from. Seriously, did United not pay you enough?
Hey, Paul, you know what will have a bad long-term impact? Multi-millionaire footballers who are so greedy that they take money to write a column promoting a gambling website, which is where the above quotes are lifted from. Seriously, did United not pay you enough? St Van Roetford
  • Score: 32

9:15am Fri 27 Jun 14

Buddy SFC says...

It's very very simple , UTD invest in your own Academy and you won't have to pay double, a sensible valuation for a Young LB ......... He's our player and if you want him YOU pay ..................

Against City last year we had 9 Brit players on the pitch of which 5 were either from our Academy or 18 years old and City were lucky to get away from St.Marys with a 1:1 draw !

Great business for Saints with young Matt Target pushing out of the academy into the first team squad and the potential to sensibly re invest in strengthening the Squad whilst hopefully retaining LaLa and possibly Lovren ????

The Future is Brighter than Ever WITH the New RED AND WHITE Stripes !!!!
It's very very simple , UTD invest in your own Academy and you won't have to pay double, a sensible valuation for a Young LB ......... He's our player and if you want him YOU pay .................. Against City last year we had 9 Brit players on the pitch of which 5 were either from our Academy or 18 years old and City were lucky to get away from St.Marys with a 1:1 draw ! Great business for Saints with young Matt Target pushing out of the academy into the first team squad and the potential to sensibly re invest in strengthening the Squad whilst hopefully retaining LaLa and possibly Lovren ???? The Future is Brighter than Ever WITH the New RED AND WHITE Stripes !!!! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 24

9:20am Fri 27 Jun 14

StElsass says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
I agree with you on the point that UTD are victims of their own strategy, if they bring through their own English talent then they don't have to pay over the odds for ours.

But I disagree with you about the grabbing he money point. Everyone has been really clear that no players would leave until a new manager was appointed and he decided who he wanted to keep. They also said quite clearly that the money would be reinvested in the team. The only time to pass judgement on the board is at the end of the transfer window when we assess who has gone and who we have brought in. Criticising them now without knowing the final plans is an easy thing do to but isn't fair in my opinion. COYR
You make a valid point it's just that I think the writing is on the wall. Cortese and then MoPo left because they felt the club lacked ambition. The players focal point was MoPo and his departure weakened the resolve to stay and push on. Kreugers inaugural speech was about finances when it should have been about ambition on the pitch - we are after all a bloody football club!

But yes let's wait and see. I really hope I've completely and totally misread this.
Once you've come away from that shrine you must be keeping in your bedroom to celebrate the semi gods that you think NC and MP are, perhaps you could give this a bit of a more rational thought.
Do you really think that NC would have rejected an offer of the reported say £30m for an 18 year old left back? If he had, do you not think he would have had to match the salary he was offered there? Would he have done that? If he had, he would then have had to deal with the likes of AL knocking at his door for an improved contract. Would he have done that? And of course after that, he would have had to bring world class players in to match "our ambition". Would he have done that?
Oh hang on, silly me! Of course, he would have! He wasn't spending his own money, was he?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I agree with you on the point that UTD are victims of their own strategy, if they bring through their own English talent then they don't have to pay over the odds for ours. But I disagree with you about the grabbing he money point. Everyone has been really clear that no players would leave until a new manager was appointed and he decided who he wanted to keep. They also said quite clearly that the money would be reinvested in the team. The only time to pass judgement on the board is at the end of the transfer window when we assess who has gone and who we have brought in. Criticising them now without knowing the final plans is an easy thing do to but isn't fair in my opinion. COYR[/p][/quote]You make a valid point it's just that I think the writing is on the wall. Cortese and then MoPo left because they felt the club lacked ambition. The players focal point was MoPo and his departure weakened the resolve to stay and push on. Kreugers inaugural speech was about finances when it should have been about ambition on the pitch - we are after all a bloody football club! But yes let's wait and see. I really hope I've completely and totally misread this.[/p][/quote]Once you've come away from that shrine you must be keeping in your bedroom to celebrate the semi gods that you think NC and MP are, perhaps you could give this a bit of a more rational thought. Do you really think that NC would have rejected an offer of the reported say £30m for an 18 year old left back? If he had, do you not think he would have had to match the salary he was offered there? Would he have done that? If he had, he would then have had to deal with the likes of AL knocking at his door for an improved contract. Would he have done that? And of course after that, he would have had to bring world class players in to match "our ambition". Would he have done that? Oh hang on, silly me! Of course, he would have! He wasn't spending his own money, was he? StElsass
  • Score: 47

9:24am Fri 27 Jun 14

Sainty saint saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though.

Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.
It's good to see that most people are disagreeing with you on here at the moment - you really have turned into a broken record and just keep banging on about the same point over and over again. So Cortese and MoPo have left. It's too late to worry about it now so stop bringing it up all the time.

I'm sure you don't consistently harp on about things that might have gone wrong in the past in your own business - you move on and look forward to a new future. Things don't stand still in life, sometimes you have to roll with the punches, regardless of whether you feel someone could have done something and some point to stop it.

It's happened, we have a new regime in place, a new manager, and they'll all do things their way regardless of whether you, in all your wisdom, disagree. Stop moaning about a disastrous future which hasn't even happened yet.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though. Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.[/p][/quote]It's good to see that most people are disagreeing with you on here at the moment - you really have turned into a broken record and just keep banging on about the same point over and over again. So Cortese and MoPo have left. It's too late to worry about it now so stop bringing it up all the time. I'm sure you don't consistently harp on about things that might have gone wrong in the past in your own business - you move on and look forward to a new future. Things don't stand still in life, sometimes you have to roll with the punches, regardless of whether you feel someone could have done something and some point to stop it. It's happened, we have a new regime in place, a new manager, and they'll all do things their way regardless of whether you, in all your wisdom, disagree. Stop moaning about a disastrous future which hasn't even happened yet. Sainty saint saint
  • Score: 27

9:26am Fri 27 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

WHY AS FANS DO WE APLAUD ......

Chambo moved to Arse - nil and either or both him and his greedy Dad engineered a move - Saints got SMASHED at the Emirates and yet after the game he comes round and claps his hands in our direction and that makes everything OK.

SHAW HAS HARDLY purt a shift in for SFC and yet we are meant to APLAUD AND ENDORSE his WANTAWAY BEHAVIOUR.


More Difficult is that of Lambert - YET we ran on the Pitch - Carried him up HIGH and SHOUTED and cheered him at every opportunity - and he turned his back on the Club and Fans that loved him.

REWARD LOYALTY - F**K THE WANTAWAY PLAYERS !!! COYR
WHY AS FANS DO WE APLAUD ...... Chambo moved to Arse - nil and either or both him and his greedy Dad engineered a move - Saints got SMASHED at the Emirates and yet after the game he comes round and claps his hands in our direction and that makes everything OK. SHAW HAS HARDLY purt a shift in for SFC and yet we are meant to APLAUD AND ENDORSE his WANTAWAY BEHAVIOUR. More Difficult is that of Lambert - YET we ran on the Pitch - Carried him up HIGH and SHOUTED and cheered him at every opportunity - and he turned his back on the Club and Fans that loved him. REWARD LOYALTY - F**K THE WANTAWAY PLAYERS !!! COYR The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 39

9:34am Fri 27 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

SEED - Keep making your Valid points.

WE ARE A SELLING CLUB - and we have broken the NUMBER 1# RULEof selling to our Competitors on the Premier League.

COYR
SEED - Keep making your Valid points. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB - and we have broken the NUMBER 1# RULEof selling to our Competitors on the Premier League. COYR The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -30

9:35am Fri 27 Jun 14

couzzy33 says...

I knew there was a reason scholes barely gave interviews as a player. everytime we open our mouths as individuals, we show how much or how little we know and this guy has no clue. Like Manchester United didn't buy anyone and pay over the odds- Taibi, Berbatov, Bebe, Veron, Hargreaves, I could go on. You are buying a player with huge potential who could turn out to be a bargain. Rather than have a pop at the state of prices in the game maybe you should air your frustrations with the board of the club that continue to pay you, after all , if they are dumb enough to part with it then there are always going to be people who are more than willing to take advantage.
I knew there was a reason scholes barely gave interviews as a player. everytime we open our mouths as individuals, we show how much or how little we know and this guy has no clue. Like Manchester United didn't buy anyone and pay over the odds- Taibi, Berbatov, Bebe, Veron, Hargreaves, I could go on. You are buying a player with huge potential who could turn out to be a bargain. Rather than have a pop at the state of prices in the game maybe you should air your frustrations with the board of the club that continue to pay you, after all , if they are dumb enough to part with it then there are always going to be people who are more than willing to take advantage. couzzy33
  • Score: 5

9:36am Fri 27 Jun 14

Chapperall says...

Scholes is hardly an expert in transfer policy. The problem with MU is that they want to buy success and compete with Man city. This is flawed as they will never be able to compete with them as Man city have so much money. With clubs like ours we just have to be realistic and we have the right policy in growing talent and not trying to buy success. Look what happened at QPR and Sunderland last season. I say let's get this deal done and move on!
Scholes is hardly an expert in transfer policy. The problem with MU is that they want to buy success and compete with Man city. This is flawed as they will never be able to compete with them as Man city have so much money. With clubs like ours we just have to be realistic and we have the right policy in growing talent and not trying to buy success. Look what happened at QPR and Sunderland last season. I say let's get this deal done and move on! Chapperall
  • Score: 7

9:40am Fri 27 Jun 14

windygale says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
WHY AS FANS DO WE APLAUD ......

Chambo moved to Arse - nil and either or both him and his greedy Dad engineered a move - Saints got SMASHED at the Emirates and yet after the game he comes round and claps his hands in our direction and that makes everything OK.

SHAW HAS HARDLY purt a shift in for SFC and yet we are meant to APLAUD AND ENDORSE his WANTAWAY BEHAVIOUR.


More Difficult is that of Lambert - YET we ran on the Pitch - Carried him up HIGH and SHOUTED and cheered him at every opportunity - and he turned his back on the Club and Fans that loved him.

REWARD LOYALTY - F**K THE WANTAWAY PLAYERS !!! COYR
totally agree with you, cant see young Shaw doing his international aspirations any good playing second fiddle to an ageing Frenchman, when he would still be topdog LB with the super saints, but lets not keep any of the wannaways, if we stop them going we will probably not get 100% from them anyway. Upwards and onwards with the new management and lets see what occurs.
COYR
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: WHY AS FANS DO WE APLAUD ...... Chambo moved to Arse - nil and either or both him and his greedy Dad engineered a move - Saints got SMASHED at the Emirates and yet after the game he comes round and claps his hands in our direction and that makes everything OK. SHAW HAS HARDLY purt a shift in for SFC and yet we are meant to APLAUD AND ENDORSE his WANTAWAY BEHAVIOUR. More Difficult is that of Lambert - YET we ran on the Pitch - Carried him up HIGH and SHOUTED and cheered him at every opportunity - and he turned his back on the Club and Fans that loved him. REWARD LOYALTY - F**K THE WANTAWAY PLAYERS !!! COYR[/p][/quote]totally agree with you, cant see young Shaw doing his international aspirations any good playing second fiddle to an ageing Frenchman, when he would still be topdog LB with the super saints, but lets not keep any of the wannaways, if we stop them going we will probably not get 100% from them anyway. Upwards and onwards with the new management and lets see what occurs. COYR windygale
  • Score: 9

9:40am Fri 27 Jun 14

StElsass says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
SEED - Keep making your Valid points.

WE ARE A SELLING CLUB - and we have broken the NUMBER 1# RULEof selling to our Competitors on the Premier League.

COYR
OK - You've convinced me! We are a selling club and the board is a bunch of clueless such and such.
So, what do we do now? I'm not sure making our valid points on here will make much difference, to be honest! Any suggestions?
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: SEED - Keep making your Valid points. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB - and we have broken the NUMBER 1# RULEof selling to our Competitors on the Premier League. COYR[/p][/quote]OK - You've convinced me! We are a selling club and the board is a bunch of clueless such and such. So, what do we do now? I'm not sure making our valid points on here will make much difference, to be honest! Any suggestions? StElsass
  • Score: 3

9:41am Fri 27 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

To divingpool. This is how you get players, you pay whay we want, if you cant afford them take your cups to "cash for gold" I'm sure they would offer you scrap value for your silverware, yes you have more cups than us but we have what wins them "PLAYERS"
To divingpool. This is how you get players, you pay whay we want, if you cant afford them take your cups to "cash for gold" I'm sure they would offer you scrap value for your silverware, yes you have more cups than us but we have what wins them "PLAYERS" Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 0

9:42am Fri 27 Jun 14

bullsbags says...

A few years ago a European super league was talked about,I thought it would be a disaster!
With hindsight I wish it had happened.Clubs like us will never win anything as all we end up doing is selling our best players. Granted every now and then a mid table team might get to a cup final and occasionally win it but that's it
Clubs like us will never get into the CL let alone win the prem,so as far as I'm concerned the Manchester clubs , Chelsea and arsenal can all p!ss off and leave the likes of us ,villa etc to have some fun
A few years ago a European super league was talked about,I thought it would be a disaster! With hindsight I wish it had happened.Clubs like us will never win anything as all we end up doing is selling our best players. Granted every now and then a mid table team might get to a cup final and occasionally win it but that's it Clubs like us will never get into the CL let alone win the prem,so as far as I'm concerned the Manchester clubs , Chelsea and arsenal can all p!ss off and leave the likes of us ,villa etc to have some fun bullsbags
  • Score: 14

9:50am Fri 27 Jun 14

Poole Tom says...

None of us wanted to see Luke go but at least this time we have probably obtained in excess of the players true market value because as a club we are now in a much better financial position than we were when we sold our young stars in the past, and secondly because Luke still had four years to run on his contract. As others have said it will now be interesting to see how well we spend the money. Unfortunately that is the bit that concerns me the most because even in the recent past our more extravagant buys have not really worked out.This is therefore where Ronald Koeman will hopefully prove that he is better in the transfer market than Nigel and MoPo were. Time will tell. However we also have the next batch of youngsters to bring through. If just one or two of them break into the first team this coming season we really should be in quite a strong position.
None of us wanted to see Luke go but at least this time we have probably obtained in excess of the players true market value because as a club we are now in a much better financial position than we were when we sold our young stars in the past, and secondly because Luke still had four years to run on his contract. As others have said it will now be interesting to see how well we spend the money. Unfortunately that is the bit that concerns me the most because even in the recent past our more extravagant buys have not really worked out.This is therefore where Ronald Koeman will hopefully prove that he is better in the transfer market than Nigel and MoPo were. Time will tell. However we also have the next batch of youngsters to bring through. If just one or two of them break into the first team this coming season we really should be in quite a strong position. Poole Tom
  • Score: 8

9:51am Fri 27 Jun 14

saintsfan76 says...

Assuming this goes through £30m is a lot of money and we could get 1 or 2 decent players for that money. Remember when Rooney moved from Everton to Utd? That was silly money too for a young player still to be really proven.
Assuming this goes through £30m is a lot of money and we could get 1 or 2 decent players for that money. Remember when Rooney moved from Everton to Utd? That was silly money too for a young player still to be really proven. saintsfan76
  • Score: 1

9:51am Fri 27 Jun 14

Confucious says...

I think all in all this is a good deal for Saints, but I have to admit, in the interest of full transparency, that I am not entirely objective on this one.

Luke's agent gets £1m for this deal, - but £100,000 of this is payable to his agent. And as I am Luke's agent's agent I get 10% of that which is £1,000. However, £100 of that goes to my agent and a £10 of that goes to my agent's agent and then £1 to his agent. However it is important to note that my agent's agent's agent is also Luke's agent so he gets the original £1m plus £1 of which I eventually get 1p (giving me a net total of £90,000.01p after paying my agent).

I should make it clear that I do not wish to see Adam leave and that I have no financial stake in such a move since Adam's agent's agent is also Adam's agent and the cash is thus entirely enclosed within this triad of agents, none of whom are me or my agent or my agent's agent.

I have mixed feelings about Lovren as in this case my agent's agent agent happens to be me and there's a sell-on clause giving me half of 10% of the 50% bonus payable if Lovren does not change his name by deed poll to Hank Horatio Hopkins in the first four years of his new contract.
I think all in all this is a good deal for Saints, but I have to admit, in the interest of full transparency, that I am not entirely objective on this one. Luke's agent gets £1m for this deal, - but £100,000 of this is payable to his agent. And as I am Luke's agent's agent I get 10% of that which is £1,000. However, £100 of that goes to my agent and a £10 of that goes to my agent's agent and then £1 to his agent. However it is important to note that my agent's agent's agent is also Luke's agent so he gets the original £1m plus £1 of which I eventually get 1p (giving me a net total of £90,000.01p after paying my agent). I should make it clear that I do not wish to see Adam leave and that I have no financial stake in such a move since Adam's agent's agent is also Adam's agent and the cash is thus entirely enclosed within this triad of agents, none of whom are me or my agent or my agent's agent. I have mixed feelings about Lovren as in this case my agent's agent agent happens to be me and there's a sell-on clause giving me half of 10% of the 50% bonus payable if Lovren does not change his name by deed poll to Hank Horatio Hopkins in the first four years of his new contract. Confucious
  • Score: 7

10:04am Fri 27 Jun 14

Buddy SFC says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
SEED - Keep making your Valid points.

WE ARE A SELLING CLUB - and we have broken the NUMBER 1# RULEof selling to our Competitors on the Premier League.

COYR
BUT WE ARE NOT BANKRUPT !
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: SEED - Keep making your Valid points. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB - and we have broken the NUMBER 1# RULEof selling to our Competitors on the Premier League. COYR[/p][/quote]BUT WE ARE NOT BANKRUPT ! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 7

10:05am Fri 27 Jun 14

george chivers says...

StElsass wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
I agree with you on the point that UTD are victims of their own strategy, if they bring through their own English talent then they don't have to pay over the odds for ours.

But I disagree with you about the grabbing he money point. Everyone has been really clear that no players would leave until a new manager was appointed and he decided who he wanted to keep. They also said quite clearly that the money would be reinvested in the team. The only time to pass judgement on the board is at the end of the transfer window when we assess who has gone and who we have brought in. Criticising them now without knowing the final plans is an easy thing do to but isn't fair in my opinion. COYR
You make a valid point it's just that I think the writing is on the wall. Cortese and then MoPo left because they felt the club lacked ambition. The players focal point was MoPo and his departure weakened the resolve to stay and push on. Kreugers inaugural speech was about finances when it should have been about ambition on the pitch - we are after all a bloody football club!

But yes let's wait and see. I really hope I've completely and totally misread this.
Once you've come away from that shrine you must be keeping in your bedroom to celebrate the semi gods that you think NC and MP are, perhaps you could give this a bit of a more rational thought.
Do you really think that NC would have rejected an offer of the reported say £30m for an 18 year old left back? If he had, do you not think he would have had to match the salary he was offered there? Would he have done that? If he had, he would then have had to deal with the likes of AL knocking at his door for an improved contract. Would he have done that? And of course after that, he would have had to bring world class players in to match "our ambition". Would he have done that?
Oh hang on, silly me! Of course, he would have! He wasn't spending his own money, was he?
I think our club lacks ambition to make the top four. But I also thinks that is right. Why? Because the only way we could assemble a squad of 24 players good enough to get there is by KL injecting silly money into the club to buy top players and pay crazy wages. If she did that then we could possibly make it. But we would also break PL/FA finance rules and similar European rules if we qualified for the Champions League because our turnover/profit would not match our expenditure and we would in effect be trading as insolvent. Then we would incur a huge fine and possibly a points deduction or be thrown out of the Champions League.

The financial rules on the face it try to establish an equal footing for each club, bur what they actually do is to discriminate in favour of the big city clubs with huge turnovers and profits. We cannot compete with that, we are simply too small. And maybe one day Man U will also be too small if they don't get back into the Champions League quickly.

We are like a Morgan car versus a BMW or a Mercedes. A high quality product that lacks volume sales. But remains exclusive and very special. Paul Scholes is right, transfer fees are killing the game. What the game needs is a new set of financial rules to regulate it which aren't based on turnover or profit. For instance the capping of transfer expenditure. That would level the playing field. But the big clubs in Europe have too much influence to allow that to happen.

RK is not to blame. The blame lies in the dynamics of the market place and the rules which govern it and the fact we support the best football club in the world but our club is too small to compete at the highest level. But there again if it was huge then it wouldn't be Saints. It would just be a brand and I for one wouldn't like that.

STID
[quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I agree with you on the point that UTD are victims of their own strategy, if they bring through their own English talent then they don't have to pay over the odds for ours. But I disagree with you about the grabbing he money point. Everyone has been really clear that no players would leave until a new manager was appointed and he decided who he wanted to keep. They also said quite clearly that the money would be reinvested in the team. The only time to pass judgement on the board is at the end of the transfer window when we assess who has gone and who we have brought in. Criticising them now without knowing the final plans is an easy thing do to but isn't fair in my opinion. COYR[/p][/quote]You make a valid point it's just that I think the writing is on the wall. Cortese and then MoPo left because they felt the club lacked ambition. The players focal point was MoPo and his departure weakened the resolve to stay and push on. Kreugers inaugural speech was about finances when it should have been about ambition on the pitch - we are after all a bloody football club! But yes let's wait and see. I really hope I've completely and totally misread this.[/p][/quote]Once you've come away from that shrine you must be keeping in your bedroom to celebrate the semi gods that you think NC and MP are, perhaps you could give this a bit of a more rational thought. Do you really think that NC would have rejected an offer of the reported say £30m for an 18 year old left back? If he had, do you not think he would have had to match the salary he was offered there? Would he have done that? If he had, he would then have had to deal with the likes of AL knocking at his door for an improved contract. Would he have done that? And of course after that, he would have had to bring world class players in to match "our ambition". Would he have done that? Oh hang on, silly me! Of course, he would have! He wasn't spending his own money, was he?[/p][/quote]I think our club lacks ambition to make the top four. But I also thinks that is right. Why? Because the only way we could assemble a squad of 24 players good enough to get there is by KL injecting silly money into the club to buy top players and pay crazy wages. If she did that then we could possibly make it. But we would also break PL/FA finance rules and similar European rules if we qualified for the Champions League because our turnover/profit would not match our expenditure and we would in effect be trading as insolvent. Then we would incur a huge fine and possibly a points deduction or be thrown out of the Champions League. The financial rules on the face it try to establish an equal footing for each club, bur what they actually do is to discriminate in favour of the big city clubs with huge turnovers and profits. We cannot compete with that, we are simply too small. And maybe one day Man U will also be too small if they don't get back into the Champions League quickly. We are like a Morgan car versus a BMW or a Mercedes. A high quality product that lacks volume sales. But remains exclusive and very special. Paul Scholes is right, transfer fees are killing the game. What the game needs is a new set of financial rules to regulate it which aren't based on turnover or profit. For instance the capping of transfer expenditure. That would level the playing field. But the big clubs in Europe have too much influence to allow that to happen. RK is not to blame. The blame lies in the dynamics of the market place and the rules which govern it and the fact we support the best football club in the world but our club is too small to compete at the highest level. But there again if it was huge then it wouldn't be Saints. It would just be a brand and I for one wouldn't like that. STID george chivers
  • Score: 70

10:10am Fri 27 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though.

Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.
It's good to see that most people are disagreeing with you on here at the moment - you really have turned into a broken record and just keep banging on about the same point over and over again. So Cortese and MoPo have left. It's too late to worry about it now so stop bringing it up all the time.

I'm sure you don't consistently harp on about things that might have gone wrong in the past in your own business - you move on and look forward to a new future. Things don't stand still in life, sometimes you have to roll with the punches, regardless of whether you feel someone could have done something and some point to stop it.

It's happened, we have a new regime in place, a new manager, and they'll all do things their way regardless of whether you, in all your wisdom, disagree. Stop moaning about a disastrous future which hasn't even happened yet.
The situation the club finds itself in at the moment,really has its origins in the one thing that no one foresaw, or that anyone could do anything about,or that anyone can attach any blame to..the untimely death of Markus Liebherr.
Like Seedhouse the Unrepentant,I believe that under Cortese's stewardship, had Liebherr still been alive,we would now be looking forward to a season beyond our wildest dreams.
I do agree with you though,that what has happened,has happened,and as with all things in life,it may not be what we would have like to have happened,so as you say,we just have to wait and see..but maybe with all our fingers and toes crossed.
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though. Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.[/p][/quote]It's good to see that most people are disagreeing with you on here at the moment - you really have turned into a broken record and just keep banging on about the same point over and over again. So Cortese and MoPo have left. It's too late to worry about it now so stop bringing it up all the time. I'm sure you don't consistently harp on about things that might have gone wrong in the past in your own business - you move on and look forward to a new future. Things don't stand still in life, sometimes you have to roll with the punches, regardless of whether you feel someone could have done something and some point to stop it. It's happened, we have a new regime in place, a new manager, and they'll all do things their way regardless of whether you, in all your wisdom, disagree. Stop moaning about a disastrous future which hasn't even happened yet.[/p][/quote]The situation the club finds itself in at the moment,really has its origins in the one thing that no one foresaw, or that anyone could do anything about,or that anyone can attach any blame to..the untimely death of Markus Liebherr. Like Seedhouse the Unrepentant,I believe that under Cortese's stewardship, had Liebherr still been alive,we would now be looking forward to a season beyond our wildest dreams. I do agree with you though,that what has happened,has happened,and as with all things in life,it may not be what we would have like to have happened,so as you say,we just have to wait and see..but maybe with all our fingers and toes crossed. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 3

10:20am Fri 27 Jun 14

Forest Saint says...

You're talking out of your a**e Scholes! Shaw's an absolute steal!
You're talking out of your a**e Scholes! Shaw's an absolute steal! Forest Saint
  • Score: 2

10:25am Fri 27 Jun 14

killared says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
WHY AS FANS DO WE APLAUD ......

Chambo moved to Arse - nil and either or both him and his greedy Dad engineered a move - Saints got SMASHED at the Emirates and yet after the game he comes round and claps his hands in our direction and that makes everything OK.

SHAW HAS HARDLY purt a shift in for SFC and yet we are meant to APLAUD AND ENDORSE his WANTAWAY BEHAVIOUR.


More Difficult is that of Lambert - YET we ran on the Pitch - Carried him up HIGH and SHOUTED and cheered him at every opportunity - and he turned his back on the Club and Fans that loved him.

REWARD LOYALTY - F**K THE WANTAWAY PLAYERS !!! COYR
Because Oxlade Chamberlain respect the club and Fans and know where he become a footballer in our house . Then our club was in lower league and he made sense for him to go to a club who play in the Champions League and he become an international . Bale and Walcott wanted away and they save our club and I respect them for their decision because we can still go enjoy our Saturday and Sunday at Saint Mary's now !
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: WHY AS FANS DO WE APLAUD ...... Chambo moved to Arse - nil and either or both him and his greedy Dad engineered a move - Saints got SMASHED at the Emirates and yet after the game he comes round and claps his hands in our direction and that makes everything OK. SHAW HAS HARDLY purt a shift in for SFC and yet we are meant to APLAUD AND ENDORSE his WANTAWAY BEHAVIOUR. More Difficult is that of Lambert - YET we ran on the Pitch - Carried him up HIGH and SHOUTED and cheered him at every opportunity - and he turned his back on the Club and Fans that loved him. REWARD LOYALTY - F**K THE WANTAWAY PLAYERS !!! COYR[/p][/quote]Because Oxlade Chamberlain respect the club and Fans and know where he become a footballer in our house . Then our club was in lower league and he made sense for him to go to a club who play in the Champions League and he become an international . Bale and Walcott wanted away and they save our club and I respect them for their decision because we can still go enjoy our Saturday and Sunday at Saint Mary's now ! killared
  • Score: 4

10:30am Fri 27 Jun 14

RealTalkSouthampton says...

Some very good points made by all. Here is the situation. There are about a dozen or so club across Europe who financially in a league of their own(Real madrid, Barcelona, PSG, Man city) then you have the next tire down which includes (man utd, liverpool, Asenal and a few dotted around Europe). Even the second tire have to sell to the top tire. Ronaldo from man u and Bale from spurs and maybe the vamp from liverpool to mardrid or barc.

So pound for pound we cant go toe to toe, trophy cabinet to trophy cabinet we cant go toe for toe. But where i think we can improve is our outpouring of passion from the streets and the stands. This is just an honest assessment but we never hear ex players of managers talk about the passion that ripped through Southampton while they were here. All i'm saying is that some people fall in love with a place because of the people and no amount of money can sway them.

I hope people don't take this the wrong way but for everything we have achieved over the last 6 or so years. We should be shouting from the roof tops with people wearing saints shirts all the time and season tickets sold out regardless of who we sign.
Some very good points made by all. Here is the situation. There are about a dozen or so club across Europe who financially in a league of their own(Real madrid, Barcelona, PSG, Man city) then you have the next tire down which includes (man utd, liverpool, Asenal and a few dotted around Europe). Even the second tire have to sell to the top tire. Ronaldo from man u and Bale from spurs and maybe the vamp from liverpool to mardrid or barc. So pound for pound we cant go toe to toe, trophy cabinet to trophy cabinet we cant go toe for toe. But where i think we can improve is our outpouring of passion from the streets and the stands. This is just an honest assessment but we never hear ex players of managers talk about the passion that ripped through Southampton while they were here. All i'm saying is that some people fall in love with a place because of the people and no amount of money can sway them. I hope people don't take this the wrong way but for everything we have achieved over the last 6 or so years. We should be shouting from the roof tops with people wearing saints shirts all the time and season tickets sold out regardless of who we sign. RealTalkSouthampton
  • Score: 12

10:31am Fri 27 Jun 14

Sammy2sheds says...

If shaw is the only one we lose this summer we are laughing.my guess though is that Lallana will be next and then lovren.thats pretty much the backbone of our team.key players are hard to replace and I think Ronald McDonald will stick to what he knows and that's player from the Dutch league.a league that Imo is weak.its hard to know how much input if any Ronald has on player transfers,it seems to be all Lesley.
I don't want Lesley reed deciding who we buy and sell but long term targets are being sounded out so obviously Ronald had no say.
Where's Ralph lately? I hope he is nowhere near the negotiations.
If shaw is the only one we lose this summer we are laughing.my guess though is that Lallana will be next and then lovren.thats pretty much the backbone of our team.key players are hard to replace and I think Ronald McDonald will stick to what he knows and that's player from the Dutch league.a league that Imo is weak.its hard to know how much input if any Ronald has on player transfers,it seems to be all Lesley. I don't want Lesley reed deciding who we buy and sell but long term targets are being sounded out so obviously Ronald had no say. Where's Ralph lately? I hope he is nowhere near the negotiations. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -2

10:32am Fri 27 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.
Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -64

10:36am Fri 27 Jun 14

StElsass says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
If shaw is the only one we lose this summer we are laughing.my guess though is that Lallana will be next and then lovren.thats pretty much the backbone of our team.key players are hard to replace and I think Ronald McDonald will stick to what he knows and that's player from the Dutch league.a league that Imo is weak.its hard to know how much input if any Ronald has on player transfers,it seems to be all Lesley.
I don't want Lesley reed deciding who we buy and sell but long term targets are being sounded out so obviously Ronald had no say.
Where's Ralph lately? I hope he is nowhere near the negotiations.
I'm not convinced anyone cares about what you want or don't want.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: If shaw is the only one we lose this summer we are laughing.my guess though is that Lallana will be next and then lovren.thats pretty much the backbone of our team.key players are hard to replace and I think Ronald McDonald will stick to what he knows and that's player from the Dutch league.a league that Imo is weak.its hard to know how much input if any Ronald has on player transfers,it seems to be all Lesley. I don't want Lesley reed deciding who we buy and sell but long term targets are being sounded out so obviously Ronald had no say. Where's Ralph lately? I hope he is nowhere near the negotiations.[/p][/quote]I'm not convinced anyone cares about what you want or don't want. StElsass
  • Score: 10

10:38am Fri 27 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

A DIIFFERENT SUBJECT ...

Paul scholes bemoans the fact the Premier League is flooded with average foreign Players ..... OK

RESTRUCTURE THE LEAGUES .. and plenty of local ENGLISH TALENT will have the chance to Shine.

NEXT ...

RK PROMISED to expand and develop our Commercial Interests ...

Is that Management Speak for .... SELL ALL OUR PLAYERS.

COYR
A DIIFFERENT SUBJECT ... Paul scholes bemoans the fact the Premier League is flooded with average foreign Players ..... OK RESTRUCTURE THE LEAGUES .. and plenty of local ENGLISH TALENT will have the chance to Shine. NEXT ... RK PROMISED to expand and develop our Commercial Interests ... Is that Management Speak for .... SELL ALL OUR PLAYERS. COYR The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -4

10:43am Fri 27 Jun 14

right back in the bar says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though.

Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.
I hear what you are saying but in Shaw's case its not the best example as he will get regular first team football there. The depressing aspect to all this is that he so readily wanted away from SFC but that's entirely down to the 100k week e will reputedly 'earn' there. That's the problem and its not a million miles away from the point Scholes is making. He probably has more empathy with our viewpoint than you think.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though. Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.[/p][/quote]I hear what you are saying but in Shaw's case its not the best example as he will get regular first team football there. The depressing aspect to all this is that he so readily wanted away from SFC but that's entirely down to the 100k week e will reputedly 'earn' there. That's the problem and its not a million miles away from the point Scholes is making. He probably has more empathy with our viewpoint than you think. right back in the bar
  • Score: 3

10:47am Fri 27 Jun 14

george chivers says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.
And an honest man in the dishonest world of football. Something to be proud of Osprey.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.[/p][/quote]And an honest man in the dishonest world of football. Something to be proud of Osprey. george chivers
  • Score: 7

11:04am Fri 27 Jun 14

killared says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
A DIIFFERENT SUBJECT ...

Paul scholes bemoans the fact the Premier League is flooded with average foreign Players ..... OK

RESTRUCTURE THE LEAGUES .. and plenty of local ENGLISH TALENT will have the chance to Shine.

NEXT ...

RK PROMISED to expand and develop our Commercial Interests ...

Is that Management Speak for .... SELL ALL OUR PLAYERS.

COYR
Scholes is right the league is full of average foreign players but I don't think a quota system would be the solution. Even if English players play alongside world class Foreign players the England national side will not improve we've seen that for a long time for example we fail at the world cup in Brazil. England play catch up at the international level we still try to found out what is tiki taka when the new trend is fast counter attack. We need to improve at grass roots level and try new idea. The quota won't change a thing trust me on this one .
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: A DIIFFERENT SUBJECT ... Paul scholes bemoans the fact the Premier League is flooded with average foreign Players ..... OK RESTRUCTURE THE LEAGUES .. and plenty of local ENGLISH TALENT will have the chance to Shine. NEXT ... RK PROMISED to expand and develop our Commercial Interests ... Is that Management Speak for .... SELL ALL OUR PLAYERS. COYR[/p][/quote]Scholes is right the league is full of average foreign players but I don't think a quota system would be the solution. Even if English players play alongside world class Foreign players the England national side will not improve we've seen that for a long time for example we fail at the world cup in Brazil. England play catch up at the international level we still try to found out what is tiki taka when the new trend is fast counter attack. We need to improve at grass roots level and try new idea. The quota won't change a thing trust me on this one . killared
  • Score: 0

11:12am Fri 27 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.
And an honest man in the dishonest world of football. Something to be proud of Osprey.
"So I'll make my stand,and remain as I am,
and bid farewell.. and not give a ****!"
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.[/p][/quote]And an honest man in the dishonest world of football. Something to be proud of Osprey.[/p][/quote]"So I'll make my stand,and remain as I am, and bid farewell.. and not give a ****!" Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 4

11:14am Fri 27 Jun 14

saint christopher says...

Good (world class) English players are a rare commodity = high value. Simples.

On another tack altogether, I thought folk might be interested in the following bit of news.

"Southampton Football Club’s St Mary’s stadium is set to be the first in Europe to have LED floodlights. Installation is taking place ahead of the start of the forthcoming season. It comes 63 years after the club’s old ground, The Dell, made history as the first in England to have permanent floodlights installed.

Delivered by Eastleigh-based lighting developers Vision Accendo, the new system will provide a higher quality of broadcast lighting as well as significantly reducing the amount of energy used when compared to traditional metal halide floodlights, the club says.

Unlike the previous halide system, the new LEDs can be instantly switched on and off without the need for a warm up period, which further adds to the system’s energy saving credentials.

Stadium facilities manager Mark Humby said: “Since being introduced to Ian Williams and Calvin Caunter of Vision Accendo back in February, we have worked very closely to make sure we reach all the technical criteria stipulated by the Premier League. It has been a frantic but extremely interesting four months.

“Our first issue was to make sure the stadium roof structure could take the added weight of the new floodlight system required to produce the correct lighting levels. During this process I have been introduced to the technical term ‘flicker’ which only causes an issue during slow motion and super-slow motion footage. By using a top quality LED product we have all but removed this issue which can be seen on the majority of sporting footage that’s produced under floodlit conditions.

“We can now look forward to installing a superior innovative lighting solution that will enhance the viewing experience of both the fan in the stadium and the armchair supporter.”

On 1st October 1951 The Dell became the first venue to host a competitive match under floodlights when Southampton reserves faced Tottenham Reserves in a Football Combination fixture."

Obviously this will now enable the world to fully appreciate in ultra slow mo HD the wonderful movement and goals that will continue to be such a feature of games at St. Mary's.
Good (world class) English players are a rare commodity = high value. Simples. On another tack altogether, I thought folk might be interested in the following bit of news. "Southampton Football Club’s St Mary’s stadium is set to be the first in Europe to have LED floodlights. Installation is taking place ahead of the start of the forthcoming season. It comes 63 years after the club’s old ground, The Dell, made history as the first in England to have permanent floodlights installed. Delivered by Eastleigh-based lighting developers Vision Accendo, the new system will provide a higher quality of broadcast lighting as well as significantly reducing the amount of energy used when compared to traditional metal halide floodlights, the club says. Unlike the previous halide system, the new LEDs can be instantly switched on and off without the need for a warm up period, which further adds to the system’s energy saving credentials. Stadium facilities manager Mark Humby said: “Since being introduced to Ian Williams and Calvin Caunter of Vision Accendo back in February, we have worked very closely to make sure we reach all the technical criteria stipulated by the Premier League. It has been a frantic but extremely interesting four months. “Our first issue was to make sure the stadium roof structure could take the added weight of the new floodlight system required to produce the correct lighting levels. During this process I have been introduced to the technical term ‘flicker’ which only causes an issue during slow motion and super-slow motion footage. By using a top quality LED product we have all but removed this issue which can be seen on the majority of sporting footage that’s produced under floodlit conditions. “We can now look forward to installing a superior innovative lighting solution that will enhance the viewing experience of both the fan in the stadium and the armchair supporter.” On 1st October 1951 The Dell became the first venue to host a competitive match under floodlights when Southampton reserves faced Tottenham Reserves in a Football Combination fixture." Obviously this will now enable the world to fully appreciate in ultra slow mo HD the wonderful movement and goals that will continue to be such a feature of games at St. Mary's. saint christopher
  • Score: 4

11:15am Fri 27 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.
And an honest man in the dishonest world of football. Something to be proud of Osprey.
"So I'll make my stand,and remain as I am,
and bid farewell.. and not give a ****!"
...blimey,the Echo won't even allow you to say " d@mn",when you're trying to be profound!
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.[/p][/quote]And an honest man in the dishonest world of football. Something to be proud of Osprey.[/p][/quote]"So I'll make my stand,and remain as I am, and bid farewell.. and not give a ****!"[/p][/quote]...blimey,the Echo won't even allow you to say " d@mn",when you're trying to be profound! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

11:16am Fri 27 Jun 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though.

Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.
Agree, Paul Scholes has missed the point, the very reason Luke is worth that is because the other big Prem clubs are not producing quality young English talent.

As regards the Board, I too am disappointed because I think we should have held Luke to his contract for at least another season. However if the £30m is up front and Ronko agreed to this transfer then we should get a quality Left back for under £10m and have £20m to add to the £30m already in the transfer kitty, plus Osvaldo to sell.

All the others must be told they are staying, we need to be spending the money to IMPROVE the first team NOT REPLACE THEM !

Now expect to see 6 quality players coming in: Gk, LB, CB, 2 Strikers & a winger.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though. Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.[/p][/quote]Agree, Paul Scholes has missed the point, the very reason Luke is worth that is because the other big Prem clubs are not producing quality young English talent. As regards the Board, I too am disappointed because I think we should have held Luke to his contract for at least another season. However if the £30m is up front and Ronko agreed to this transfer then we should get a quality Left back for under £10m and have £20m to add to the £30m already in the transfer kitty, plus Osvaldo to sell. All the others must be told they are staying, we need to be spending the money to IMPROVE the first team NOT REPLACE THEM ! Now expect to see 6 quality players coming in: Gk, LB, CB, 2 Strikers & a winger. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 2

11:27am Fri 27 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.
TD at minus 73? Someone out there is being rather foolish.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.[/p][/quote]TD at minus 73? Someone out there is being rather foolish. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

11:32am Fri 27 Jun 14

Rising_Son says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.
TD at minus 73? Someone out there is being rather foolish.
There's a lot of it around. Foolishness, that is.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.[/p][/quote]TD at minus 73? Someone out there is being rather foolish.[/p][/quote]There's a lot of it around. Foolishness, that is. Rising_Son
  • Score: 3

11:49am Fri 27 Jun 14

echo1948 says...

windygale wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
WHY AS FANS DO WE APLAUD ......

Chambo moved to Arse - nil and either or both him and his greedy Dad engineered a move - Saints got SMASHED at the Emirates and yet after the game he comes round and claps his hands in our direction and that makes everything OK.

SHAW HAS HARDLY purt a shift in for SFC and yet we are meant to APLAUD AND ENDORSE his WANTAWAY BEHAVIOUR.


More Difficult is that of Lambert - YET we ran on the Pitch - Carried him up HIGH and SHOUTED and cheered him at every opportunity - and he turned his back on the Club and Fans that loved him.

REWARD LOYALTY - F**K THE WANTAWAY PLAYERS !!! COYR
totally agree with you, cant see young Shaw doing his international aspirations any good playing second fiddle to an ageing Frenchman, when he would still be topdog LB with the super saints, but lets not keep any of the wannaways, if we stop them going we will probably not get 100% from them anyway. Upwards and onwards with the new management and lets see what occurs.
COYR
I wonder if these comments will come back to bite us if we do not invest the transfer money.Ifor one am not relishing the coming season. Ihope Iam proved wrong but Ican see a season of playing the kids struggling.
[quote][p][bold]windygale[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: WHY AS FANS DO WE APLAUD ...... Chambo moved to Arse - nil and either or both him and his greedy Dad engineered a move - Saints got SMASHED at the Emirates and yet after the game he comes round and claps his hands in our direction and that makes everything OK. SHAW HAS HARDLY purt a shift in for SFC and yet we are meant to APLAUD AND ENDORSE his WANTAWAY BEHAVIOUR. More Difficult is that of Lambert - YET we ran on the Pitch - Carried him up HIGH and SHOUTED and cheered him at every opportunity - and he turned his back on the Club and Fans that loved him. REWARD LOYALTY - F**K THE WANTAWAY PLAYERS !!! COYR[/p][/quote]totally agree with you, cant see young Shaw doing his international aspirations any good playing second fiddle to an ageing Frenchman, when he would still be topdog LB with the super saints, but lets not keep any of the wannaways, if we stop them going we will probably not get 100% from them anyway. Upwards and onwards with the new management and lets see what occurs. COYR[/p][/quote]I wonder if these comments will come back to bite us if we do not invest the transfer money.Ifor one am not relishing the coming season. Ihope Iam proved wrong but Ican see a season of playing the kids struggling. echo1948
  • Score: 0

11:50am Fri 27 Jun 14

jls217 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.
73 downers - why? The man is either taking the **** or he's being totally frank about the way he feels. No matter - what he has posted reflects to a lesser or greater degree how many of us are feeling.

If you're taking the urine - your next visit to the crapper will produce a hedgehog.

If you're sincere - well said. I feel particularly betrayed by our team captain whether he stays or goes he has let the club and us down and at the very least should lose that armband.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.[/p][/quote]73 downers - why? The man is either taking the **** or he's being totally frank about the way he feels. No matter - what he has posted reflects to a lesser or greater degree how many of us are feeling. If you're taking the urine - your next visit to the crapper will produce a hedgehog. If you're sincere - well said. I feel particularly betrayed by our team captain whether he stays or goes he has let the club and us down and at the very least should lose that armband. jls217
  • Score: 0

11:52am Fri 27 Jun 14

Warnford cookie says...

bullsbags wrote:
A few years ago a European super league was talked about,I thought it would be a disaster!
With hindsight I wish it had happened.Clubs like us will never win anything as all we end up doing is selling our best players. Granted every now and then a mid table team might get to a cup final and occasionally win it but that's it
Clubs like us will never get into the CL let alone win the prem,so as far as I'm concerned the Manchester clubs , Chelsea and arsenal can all p!ss off and leave the likes of us ,villa etc to have some fun
Ah but where would the fun be if you don't have the opportunity to knock the "big guns" down and who wants to win a 2nd rate Premiership. No we need the big money clubs and they need us that's why the "super league" continues to be the Champions league and we have the structure from grass roots level to the backing of the board to challenge that. Sad to see Rickie and Luke go but other "heroes" are just around the corner. Onwards and upwards we go COYR!!!
[quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: A few years ago a European super league was talked about,I thought it would be a disaster! With hindsight I wish it had happened.Clubs like us will never win anything as all we end up doing is selling our best players. Granted every now and then a mid table team might get to a cup final and occasionally win it but that's it Clubs like us will never get into the CL let alone win the prem,so as far as I'm concerned the Manchester clubs , Chelsea and arsenal can all p!ss off and leave the likes of us ,villa etc to have some fun[/p][/quote]Ah but where would the fun be if you don't have the opportunity to knock the "big guns" down and who wants to win a 2nd rate Premiership. No we need the big money clubs and they need us that's why the "super league" continues to be the Champions league and we have the structure from grass roots level to the backing of the board to challenge that. Sad to see Rickie and Luke go but other "heroes" are just around the corner. Onwards and upwards we go COYR!!! Warnford cookie
  • Score: 0

11:53am Fri 27 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.
And an honest man in the dishonest world of football. Something to be proud of Osprey.
Good comment, I think there are more honest Saints fans out there than you might think, there are a few that may not be, if the behaviour of some on here is to observed!
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.[/p][/quote]And an honest man in the dishonest world of football. Something to be proud of Osprey.[/p][/quote]Good comment, I think there are more honest Saints fans out there than you might think, there are a few that may not be, if the behaviour of some on here is to observed! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

11:56am Fri 27 Jun 14

loosehead says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
I agree with you on the point that UTD are victims of their own strategy, if they bring through their own English talent then they don't have to pay over the odds for ours.

But I disagree with you about the grabbing he money point. Everyone has been really clear that no players would leave until a new manager was appointed and he decided who he wanted to keep. They also said quite clearly that the money would be reinvested in the team. The only time to pass judgement on the board is at the end of the transfer window when we assess who has gone and who we have brought in. Criticising them now without knowing the final plans is an easy thing do to but isn't fair in my opinion. COYR
You make a valid point it's just that I think the writing is on the wall. Cortese and then MoPo left because they felt the club lacked ambition. The players focal point was MoPo and his departure weakened the resolve to stay and push on. Kreugers inaugural speech was about finances when it should have been about ambition on the pitch - we are after all a bloody football club!

But yes let's wait and see. I really hope I've completely and totally misread this.
Look at our points tally from Christmas does it read like a team motivated to move on?
Did Mopo make it known to the players he was leaving then? if not what happened? if we'd had a point scoring rate that bad all season we'd been relegated so can Saints fans say they were watching a team striving for glory or a team made up of players who couldn't wait to leave ?
Even if it meant they'd be in B teams but paid vast sums of money? do they really care about playing or is it the fat cheque they want?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I agree with you on the point that UTD are victims of their own strategy, if they bring through their own English talent then they don't have to pay over the odds for ours. But I disagree with you about the grabbing he money point. Everyone has been really clear that no players would leave until a new manager was appointed and he decided who he wanted to keep. They also said quite clearly that the money would be reinvested in the team. The only time to pass judgement on the board is at the end of the transfer window when we assess who has gone and who we have brought in. Criticising them now without knowing the final plans is an easy thing do to but isn't fair in my opinion. COYR[/p][/quote]You make a valid point it's just that I think the writing is on the wall. Cortese and then MoPo left because they felt the club lacked ambition. The players focal point was MoPo and his departure weakened the resolve to stay and push on. Kreugers inaugural speech was about finances when it should have been about ambition on the pitch - we are after all a bloody football club! But yes let's wait and see. I really hope I've completely and totally misread this.[/p][/quote]Look at our points tally from Christmas does it read like a team motivated to move on? Did Mopo make it known to the players he was leaving then? if not what happened? if we'd had a point scoring rate that bad all season we'd been relegated so can Saints fans say they were watching a team striving for glory or a team made up of players who couldn't wait to leave ? Even if it meant they'd be in B teams but paid vast sums of money? do they really care about playing or is it the fat cheque they want? loosehead
  • Score: 2

11:58am Fri 27 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

jls217 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.
73 downers - why? The man is either taking the **** or he's being totally frank about the way he feels. No matter - what he has posted reflects to a lesser or greater degree how many of us are feeling.

If you're taking the urine - your next visit to the crapper will produce a hedgehog.

If you're sincere - well said. I feel particularly betrayed by our team captain whether he stays or goes he has let the club and us down and at the very least should lose that armband.
I was saying it straight, as I currently feel about it. Others have different views of looking at it, I like to hear their views, rather than the silly TDs which don't mean a lot at all.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.[/p][/quote]73 downers - why? The man is either taking the **** or he's being totally frank about the way he feels. No matter - what he has posted reflects to a lesser or greater degree how many of us are feeling. If you're taking the urine - your next visit to the crapper will produce a hedgehog. If you're sincere - well said. I feel particularly betrayed by our team captain whether he stays or goes he has let the club and us down and at the very least should lose that armband.[/p][/quote]I was saying it straight, as I currently feel about it. Others have different views of looking at it, I like to hear their views, rather than the silly TDs which don't mean a lot at all. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

12:03pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Invidia says...

Lets face it, it has been the worst kept secret in football since the end of the season and for that matter before, that LS will sign for MU and AL will go to Liverpool, my belief is that is why MoPo left not the other way round, also the fact that other players have expressed a move says that it is the money they are all chasing not the prestige, RL was going to be sold by NC last January but Rickie turned it down, I believe that was when the team wanted away.
Lets face it, it has been the worst kept secret in football since the end of the season and for that matter before, that LS will sign for MU and AL will go to Liverpool, my belief is that is why MoPo left not the other way round, also the fact that other players have expressed a move says that it is the money they are all chasing not the prestige, RL was going to be sold by NC last January but Rickie turned it down, I believe that was when the team wanted away. Invidia
  • Score: 0

12:12pm Fri 27 Jun 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

The problem is not Saints fault. Saints deserve all the credit they get for developing players of Shaw's ability to peform as he can now for the International team. The real problem is that he shouldn't be playing for the International team yet as he hasn't had any tournament experience. I agree with Stuart Pearce that players should play for the U21s in tournaments until they have gained enough experience that they are all promoted together like Spain does. This also breads success and insures that players are used to playing together Internationally in a similar formation and style to the 1st team.

Shaw has had his head turned because he has made it into the England team and wants the global recognition. Shaw deserves it but really he should be staying with Saints for another season or 2 and then breaking into the England team.

I think Shaw will however, stand a better chance of ousting Baines as first choice left back for England at Utd than at Saints and is well worth the £30m they have spent on him. It is also good business for Saints who don't want to sell any Academy players unless right for the club.

Saints need to sign some top players now so no other player wants to leave. I fear that Lovren might be next.
The problem is not Saints fault. Saints deserve all the credit they get for developing players of Shaw's ability to peform as he can now for the International team. The real problem is that he shouldn't be playing for the International team yet as he hasn't had any tournament experience. I agree with Stuart Pearce that players should play for the U21s in tournaments until they have gained enough experience that they are all promoted together like Spain does. This also breads success and insures that players are used to playing together Internationally in a similar formation and style to the 1st team. Shaw has had his head turned because he has made it into the England team and wants the global recognition. Shaw deserves it but really he should be staying with Saints for another season or 2 and then breaking into the England team. I think Shaw will however, stand a better chance of ousting Baines as first choice left back for England at Utd than at Saints and is well worth the £30m they have spent on him. It is also good business for Saints who don't want to sell any Academy players unless right for the club. Saints need to sign some top players now so no other player wants to leave. I fear that Lovren might be next. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 0

12:12pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Dave Brown says...

I do not think this will be the end of the exodus of players.
I can see Llalana,Lovren and maybe Chambers leaving which will have a real effect on the Season we are now facing.
All the talk about Koeman having his input regarding who is transferred now seems to be hollow words.
I do not feel the club is being honest with the long suffering supporters and still do not trust a certain member of the board.
Personally I feel the club is going to cash in on all the assets and then divi up the income regarding their debts and purchasing a selection of lower class players.
I do not think this will be the end of the exodus of players. I can see Llalana,Lovren and maybe Chambers leaving which will have a real effect on the Season we are now facing. All the talk about Koeman having his input regarding who is transferred now seems to be hollow words. I do not feel the club is being honest with the long suffering supporters and still do not trust a certain member of the board. Personally I feel the club is going to cash in on all the assets and then divi up the income regarding their debts and purchasing a selection of lower class players. Dave Brown
  • Score: -3

12:20pm Fri 27 Jun 14

St Van Roetford says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.
Life is an immobile, locked,
Three-handed struggle between
Your wants, the world's for you, and (worse)
The unbeatable slow machine
That brings what you'll get. Blocked,
They strain round a hollow stasis
Of havings-to, fear, faces.
Days sift down it constantly. Years.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.[/p][/quote]Life is an immobile, locked, Three-handed struggle between Your wants, the world's for you, and (worse) The unbeatable slow machine That brings what you'll get. Blocked, They strain round a hollow stasis Of havings-to, fear, faces. Days sift down it constantly. Years. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 0

12:30pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Mush On The Beach says...

If Luke goes now it’s not the end of the world but perhaps it’s the end of some romantic dream that we could take on the old school in the long term with a team inspired by our youth system.
Last season has shown that we will not be allowed to develop a young squad of great potential without the big boys continually coming to ransack it.

We are at best likely to achieve being a top 6 team and will always struggle to get past that, there is no shame in that. A good cup run each year and a solid performance in the prem playing attractive football will still make us the envy of many good football clubs and their fans in England.

It will always go back to salaries, we cannot and should not compete with those ludicrous figures offered by the current top 6.
The only way this cartel will ever be broken is by a change in the rules and I’m not convinced the Financial Fair Play is the answer. The only plausible solution to allow equity within a football league to me is a salary cap, but of course that would never be allowed. I watch a lot of AFL which is run on such a system, I’m not saying it’s a perfect concept but it does allow for each club to have a window of opportunity to take out the main prize.

Our football academy is a football factory that will continue to give us an edge over many clubs. Luke moving on at just 18 proves that premiership football in reality is a cold serious business and not just some romantic dream. Go out and spend wisely Ron.
If Luke goes now it’s not the end of the world but perhaps it’s the end of some romantic dream that we could take on the old school in the long term with a team inspired by our youth system. Last season has shown that we will not be allowed to develop a young squad of great potential without the big boys continually coming to ransack it. We are at best likely to achieve being a top 6 team and will always struggle to get past that, there is no shame in that. A good cup run each year and a solid performance in the prem playing attractive football will still make us the envy of many good football clubs and their fans in England. It will always go back to salaries, we cannot and should not compete with those ludicrous figures offered by the current top 6. The only way this cartel will ever be broken is by a change in the rules and I’m not convinced the Financial Fair Play is the answer. The only plausible solution to allow equity within a football league to me is a salary cap, but of course that would never be allowed. I watch a lot of AFL which is run on such a system, I’m not saying it’s a perfect concept but it does allow for each club to have a window of opportunity to take out the main prize. Our football academy is a football factory that will continue to give us an edge over many clubs. Luke moving on at just 18 proves that premiership football in reality is a cold serious business and not just some romantic dream. Go out and spend wisely Ron. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 6

12:30pm Fri 27 Jun 14

03alpe01 says...

As if the Premier League wasn't bad enough before this happened.
As if the Premier League wasn't bad enough before this happened. 03alpe01
  • Score: 1

12:41pm Fri 27 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
If Luke goes now it’s not the end of the world but perhaps it’s the end of some romantic dream that we could take on the old school in the long term with a team inspired by our youth system.
Last season has shown that we will not be allowed to develop a young squad of great potential without the big boys continually coming to ransack it.

We are at best likely to achieve being a top 6 team and will always struggle to get past that, there is no shame in that. A good cup run each year and a solid performance in the prem playing attractive football will still make us the envy of many good football clubs and their fans in England.

It will always go back to salaries, we cannot and should not compete with those ludicrous figures offered by the current top 6.
The only way this cartel will ever be broken is by a change in the rules and I’m not convinced the Financial Fair Play is the answer. The only plausible solution to allow equity within a football league to me is a salary cap, but of course that would never be allowed. I watch a lot of AFL which is run on such a system, I’m not saying it’s a perfect concept but it does allow for each club to have a window of opportunity to take out the main prize.

Our football academy is a football factory that will continue to give us an edge over many clubs. Luke moving on at just 18 proves that premiership football in reality is a cold serious business and not just some romantic dream. Go out and spend wisely Ron.
Interesting points - wages cap would unfortunately mean all the top talent English (if we ever get any) as well as foreign will disappear overseas tut-suite. It's clear something has to change however.
How about another variation of an idea from the US. The FA runs a huge and central youth academy. The poorest placed club in the league gets the pick of that years graduation with the freedom to sell/trade after two years service with the club.
I would struggle to believe the FA could not afford such a project or maybe funded by a 1% of income fee from all pro clubs.
Another way round it is an agreement when the youngster is offered a contract at 17 that it is legally binding for that youngster to stay at five years unless mutually agreed he moves on. Or indeed the club just saying, "No you will honour your contract" End of.
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: If Luke goes now it’s not the end of the world but perhaps it’s the end of some romantic dream that we could take on the old school in the long term with a team inspired by our youth system. Last season has shown that we will not be allowed to develop a young squad of great potential without the big boys continually coming to ransack it. We are at best likely to achieve being a top 6 team and will always struggle to get past that, there is no shame in that. A good cup run each year and a solid performance in the prem playing attractive football will still make us the envy of many good football clubs and their fans in England. It will always go back to salaries, we cannot and should not compete with those ludicrous figures offered by the current top 6. The only way this cartel will ever be broken is by a change in the rules and I’m not convinced the Financial Fair Play is the answer. The only plausible solution to allow equity within a football league to me is a salary cap, but of course that would never be allowed. I watch a lot of AFL which is run on such a system, I’m not saying it’s a perfect concept but it does allow for each club to have a window of opportunity to take out the main prize. Our football academy is a football factory that will continue to give us an edge over many clubs. Luke moving on at just 18 proves that premiership football in reality is a cold serious business and not just some romantic dream. Go out and spend wisely Ron.[/p][/quote]Interesting points - wages cap would unfortunately mean all the top talent English (if we ever get any) as well as foreign will disappear overseas tut-suite. It's clear something has to change however. How about another variation of an idea from the US. The FA runs a huge and central youth academy. The poorest placed club in the league gets the pick of that years graduation with the freedom to sell/trade after two years service with the club. I would struggle to believe the FA could not afford such a project or maybe funded by a 1% of income fee from all pro clubs. Another way round it is an agreement when the youngster is offered a contract at 17 that it is legally binding for that youngster to stay at five years unless mutually agreed he moves on. Or indeed the club just saying, "No you will honour your contract" End of. jls217
  • Score: 0

12:45pm Fri 27 Jun 14

lowemustgo says...

Flashback to January 2013 - 'Wilfried Zaha delighted by Man Utd move from Crystal Palace ... "We like to sign players with potential," manager Sir Alex Ferguson said. - Poor Zaha has hardly kicked a ball since - what a waste of talent.
I am very sorry to see Luke Shaw go - if that happens. He probably knows that he would develop better at SFC - playing AGAINST the best forwards, but when clubs offer DUMB MONEY there is no way either he or SFC can resist it. SFC cannot match Manure terms, so let's move on the next academy graduate - there are lots more of them and its absolutely great to see how the club plays them. Well done SFC. The time WILL come when we can keep our best new stars, but sadly its not yet.
Flashback to January 2013 - 'Wilfried Zaha delighted by Man Utd move from Crystal Palace ... "We like to sign players with potential," manager Sir Alex Ferguson said. - Poor Zaha has hardly kicked a ball since - what a waste of talent. I am very sorry to see Luke Shaw go - if that happens. He probably knows that he would develop better at SFC - playing AGAINST the best forwards, but when clubs offer DUMB MONEY there is no way either he or SFC can resist it. SFC cannot match Manure terms, so let's move on the next academy graduate - there are lots more of them and its absolutely great to see how the club plays them. Well done SFC. The time WILL come when we can keep our best new stars, but sadly its not yet. lowemustgo
  • Score: 2

12:54pm Fri 27 Jun 14

lowemustgo says...

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
Some very good points made by all. Here is the situation. There are about a dozen or so club across Europe who financially in a league of their own(Real madrid, Barcelona, PSG, Man city) then you have the next tire down which includes (man utd, liverpool, Asenal and a few dotted around Europe). Even the second tire have to sell to the top tire. Ronaldo from man u and Bale from spurs and maybe the vamp from liverpool to mardrid or barc.

So pound for pound we cant go toe to toe, trophy cabinet to trophy cabinet we cant go toe for toe. But where i think we can improve is our outpouring of passion from the streets and the stands. This is just an honest assessment but we never hear ex players of managers talk about the passion that ripped through Southampton while they were here. All i'm saying is that some people fall in love with a place because of the people and no amount of money can sway them.

I hope people don't take this the wrong way but for everything we have achieved over the last 6 or so years. We should be shouting from the roof tops with people wearing saints shirts all the time and season tickets sold out regardless of who we sign.
Yes, I agree - we support our local team which is so successful that the rich clubs with their DUMB (and dubious) money/owners are being forced to raid our best players because they have failed to produce or nurture their own. I for one, am very proud of players like for example, Schneiderlin who has played at Saints for six years through thick and thin to earn his place in the French national team at the World Cup.
[quote][p][bold]RealTalkSouthampton[/bold] wrote: Some very good points made by all. Here is the situation. There are about a dozen or so club across Europe who financially in a league of their own(Real madrid, Barcelona, PSG, Man city) then you have the next tire down which includes (man utd, liverpool, Asenal and a few dotted around Europe). Even the second tire have to sell to the top tire. Ronaldo from man u and Bale from spurs and maybe the vamp from liverpool to mardrid or barc. So pound for pound we cant go toe to toe, trophy cabinet to trophy cabinet we cant go toe for toe. But where i think we can improve is our outpouring of passion from the streets and the stands. This is just an honest assessment but we never hear ex players of managers talk about the passion that ripped through Southampton while they were here. All i'm saying is that some people fall in love with a place because of the people and no amount of money can sway them. I hope people don't take this the wrong way but for everything we have achieved over the last 6 or so years. We should be shouting from the roof tops with people wearing saints shirts all the time and season tickets sold out regardless of who we sign.[/p][/quote]Yes, I agree - we support our local team which is so successful that the rich clubs with their DUMB (and dubious) money/owners are being forced to raid our best players because they have failed to produce or nurture their own. I for one, am very proud of players like for example, Schneiderlin who has played at Saints for six years through thick and thin to earn his place in the French national team at the World Cup. lowemustgo
  • Score: 2

12:54pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Mosin85 says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
If Luke goes now it’s not the end of the world but perhaps it’s the end of some romantic dream that we could take on the old school in the long term with a team inspired by our youth system.
Last season has shown that we will not be allowed to develop a young squad of great potential without the big boys continually coming to ransack it.

We are at best likely to achieve being a top 6 team and will always struggle to get past that, there is no shame in that. A good cup run each year and a solid performance in the prem playing attractive football will still make us the envy of many good football clubs and their fans in England.

It will always go back to salaries, we cannot and should not compete with those ludicrous figures offered by the current top 6.
The only way this cartel will ever be broken is by a change in the rules and I’m not convinced the Financial Fair Play is the answer. The only plausible solution to allow equity within a football league to me is a salary cap, but of course that would never be allowed. I watch a lot of AFL which is run on such a system, I’m not saying it’s a perfect concept but it does allow for each club to have a window of opportunity to take out the main prize.

Our football academy is a football factory that will continue to give us an edge over many clubs. Luke moving on at just 18 proves that premiership football in reality is a cold serious business and not just some romantic dream. Go out and spend wisely Ron.
Are great acadamy will not continue to produce great players, Great players are few and far between and with other big prem clubs currently investing heavily in youth eg man city liver pool gunners manchester united will in due time we will not be the envy of any one and will be remembered as the club that had it all and sold it all to the biggest bidder.............. having a great acadamy is great but only if your producing players for your own club not the ones your trying to beat.........

we will not produce any thing of great lasting because we will just sell up every time as the CLUB has no backbone............
.......... hard to believe we are owned by a billionairess and yet we have such a small transfer budget with out selling ARE BEST PLAYERS........... 1 good player you can get away with but 2 is pushing it but reality is we are looking to be more around the 4 - 5 mark with Morgan Lovren chambers and Lallana also being link with moves awaythat leaves what? apart from cork and Clyne and J rod what other stars are there in the team? Wayama? sorry but he did not light up my season. the players that light my season up will more than likely not be southampton players start of season.. we will have a bunch of players with 0 prem exp and only joined cause they see us as a step to a BIGGER club? harsh words but im expecting a relegation battle this year................
.....
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: If Luke goes now it’s not the end of the world but perhaps it’s the end of some romantic dream that we could take on the old school in the long term with a team inspired by our youth system. Last season has shown that we will not be allowed to develop a young squad of great potential without the big boys continually coming to ransack it. We are at best likely to achieve being a top 6 team and will always struggle to get past that, there is no shame in that. A good cup run each year and a solid performance in the prem playing attractive football will still make us the envy of many good football clubs and their fans in England. It will always go back to salaries, we cannot and should not compete with those ludicrous figures offered by the current top 6. The only way this cartel will ever be broken is by a change in the rules and I’m not convinced the Financial Fair Play is the answer. The only plausible solution to allow equity within a football league to me is a salary cap, but of course that would never be allowed. I watch a lot of AFL which is run on such a system, I’m not saying it’s a perfect concept but it does allow for each club to have a window of opportunity to take out the main prize. Our football academy is a football factory that will continue to give us an edge over many clubs. Luke moving on at just 18 proves that premiership football in reality is a cold serious business and not just some romantic dream. Go out and spend wisely Ron.[/p][/quote]Are great acadamy will not continue to produce great players, Great players are few and far between and with other big prem clubs currently investing heavily in youth eg man city liver pool gunners manchester united will in due time we will not be the envy of any one and will be remembered as the club that had it all and sold it all to the biggest bidder.............. having a great acadamy is great but only if your producing players for your own club not the ones your trying to beat......... we will not produce any thing of great lasting because we will just sell up every time as the CLUB has no backbone............ .......... hard to believe we are owned by a billionairess and yet we have such a small transfer budget with out selling ARE BEST PLAYERS........... 1 good player you can get away with but 2 is pushing it but reality is we are looking to be more around the 4 - 5 mark with Morgan Lovren chambers and Lallana also being link with moves awaythat leaves what? apart from cork and Clyne and J rod what other stars are there in the team? Wayama? sorry but he did not light up my season. the players that light my season up will more than likely not be southampton players start of season.. we will have a bunch of players with 0 prem exp and only joined cause they see us as a step to a BIGGER club? harsh words but im expecting a relegation battle this year................ ..... Mosin85
  • Score: 1

1:02pm Fri 27 Jun 14

george chivers says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.
And an honest man in the dishonest world of football. Something to be proud of Osprey.
"So I'll make my stand,and remain as I am,
and bid farewell.. and not give a ****!"
Don't think twice. It's all right.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.[/p][/quote]And an honest man in the dishonest world of football. Something to be proud of Osprey.[/p][/quote]"So I'll make my stand,and remain as I am, and bid farewell.. and not give a ****!"[/p][/quote]Don't think twice. It's all right. george chivers
  • Score: 1

1:06pm Fri 27 Jun 14

lowemustgo says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
I agree with you on the point that UTD are victims of their own strategy, if they bring through their own English talent then they don't have to pay over the odds for ours.

But I disagree with you about the grabbing he money point. Everyone has been really clear that no players would leave until a new manager was appointed and he decided who he wanted to keep. They also said quite clearly that the money would be reinvested in the team. The only time to pass judgement on the board is at the end of the transfer window when we assess who has gone and who we have brought in. Criticising them now without knowing the final plans is an easy thing do to but isn't fair in my opinion. COYR
You make a valid point it's just that I think the writing is on the wall. Cortese and then MoPo left because they felt the club lacked ambition. The players focal point was MoPo and his departure weakened the resolve to stay and push on. Kreugers inaugural speech was about finances when it should have been about ambition on the pitch - we are after all a bloody football club!

But yes let's wait and see. I really hope I've completely and totally misread this.
Let's be clear, Cortese and Pochetino were just temporary custodians of a football team with a long history which is actually owned by the Liebherrs - who now make the decisions, as its their company. They appointed Kreuger because he understands sporting success.
To put Cortese and Pochetino into context, if the Liebherrs were hosting a family wedding reception, they would have been seated alongside other family employees like the gardener and the caretaker. They both left to to further their own personal agendas. Good business should = good football, because you have to have the team to win the games to be a successful business.
I am enjoying the ride and looking forward to next season!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I agree with you on the point that UTD are victims of their own strategy, if they bring through their own English talent then they don't have to pay over the odds for ours. But I disagree with you about the grabbing he money point. Everyone has been really clear that no players would leave until a new manager was appointed and he decided who he wanted to keep. They also said quite clearly that the money would be reinvested in the team. The only time to pass judgement on the board is at the end of the transfer window when we assess who has gone and who we have brought in. Criticising them now without knowing the final plans is an easy thing do to but isn't fair in my opinion. COYR[/p][/quote]You make a valid point it's just that I think the writing is on the wall. Cortese and then MoPo left because they felt the club lacked ambition. The players focal point was MoPo and his departure weakened the resolve to stay and push on. Kreugers inaugural speech was about finances when it should have been about ambition on the pitch - we are after all a bloody football club! But yes let's wait and see. I really hope I've completely and totally misread this.[/p][/quote]Let's be clear, Cortese and Pochetino were just temporary custodians of a football team with a long history which is actually owned by the Liebherrs - who now make the decisions, as its their company. They appointed Kreuger because he understands sporting success. To put Cortese and Pochetino into context, if the Liebherrs were hosting a family wedding reception, they would have been seated alongside other family employees like the gardener and the caretaker. They both left to to further their own personal agendas. Good business should = good football, because you have to have the team to win the games to be a successful business. I am enjoying the ride and looking forward to next season! lowemustgo
  • Score: 0

1:22pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Benali76 says...

I don't really get the logic. It is bad for English football but not for the reasons stated. It is bad because young players are haltingvtheir development on a footballing and personal level by leaving clubs where they are well looked after to get too rich too soon in the spotlight. There is no doubt Luke stands a better chance to develop in the next two years here rather than at the old Trafford circus.
I don't really get the logic. It is bad for English football but not for the reasons stated. It is bad because young players are haltingvtheir development on a footballing and personal level by leaving clubs where they are well looked after to get too rich too soon in the spotlight. There is no doubt Luke stands a better chance to develop in the next two years here rather than at the old Trafford circus. Benali76
  • Score: 1

1:33pm Fri 27 Jun 14

GHamilton says...

Paul Scholes is right in what he says, but he's a tad late in my opinion....the games been screwed up for thirty years and more ; since the likes of John Barnes were making £10,000 a week back in 1987. Football in this country is one enormous bubble looking for a thorn....and it's only a question of time before it finds one. Probably when inflation realy takes off due to all the money printing thats going on world wide, and interest rates realy start to rise, leaving millions with less money to spend on luxury items like Sky sports, season tickets, overpriced club merchandise. It will happen, like there will be another major earthquake in California......it's just that we dont know when
Paul Scholes is right in what he says, but he's a tad late in my opinion....the games been screwed up for thirty years and more ; since the likes of John Barnes were making £10,000 a week back in 1987. Football in this country is one enormous bubble looking for a thorn....and it's only a question of time before it finds one. Probably when inflation realy takes off due to all the money printing thats going on world wide, and interest rates realy start to rise, leaving millions with less money to spend on luxury items like Sky sports, season tickets, overpriced club merchandise. It will happen, like there will be another major earthquake in California......it's just that we dont know when GHamilton
  • Score: 1

1:35pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though.

Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.
It's good to see that most people are disagreeing with you on here at the moment - you really have turned into a broken record and just keep banging on about the same point over and over again. So Cortese and MoPo have left. It's too late to worry about it now so stop bringing it up all the time.

I'm sure you don't consistently harp on about things that might have gone wrong in the past in your own business - you move on and look forward to a new future. Things don't stand still in life, sometimes you have to roll with the punches, regardless of whether you feel someone could have done something and some point to stop it.

It's happened, we have a new regime in place, a new manager, and they'll all do things their way regardless of whether you, in all your wisdom, disagree. Stop moaning about a disastrous future which hasn't even happened yet.
I have banged on about it because I believe it was writ large in the sky and everyone turned the other way or chose not to read or hear what the players and management were saying. I firmly believe they were giving SFC the chance to keep it all together and push on provided the club stuck to the vision they were all sold when they joined or renewed their contracts - and that's not unreasonable of them.

I don't have faith in our new chairman who appears totally out of his depth and lacking in the type of experience required to lead a team in the EPL that is under attack from the circus that makes up the whole thing - predatory clubs, media and agents trying to line their own pockets.

I have always accepted that Saints can't compete in the transfer market and therefore growing your own is the only way, but we need to pay the appropriate wages. The academy can't save wages but it can save hundreds of millions in transfer fees.

If a player insists on leaving then I understand you cannot stop him. What you can do is examine the reasons for him wanting to leave and avoid repeats in the future. Also you don't sell to someone you are in direct competition with - Man Utd in 7th to our 8th is as direct as you can get. We are trying to reel in 7th spot and I really don't see how a transfer that weakens our team and strengthens theirs helps in that cause!

A disastrous future isn't what worries me, a return to mediocrity does though. You tell me - are you honestly as optimistic about next season and beyond as you were a few months ago?
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though. Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.[/p][/quote]It's good to see that most people are disagreeing with you on here at the moment - you really have turned into a broken record and just keep banging on about the same point over and over again. So Cortese and MoPo have left. It's too late to worry about it now so stop bringing it up all the time. I'm sure you don't consistently harp on about things that might have gone wrong in the past in your own business - you move on and look forward to a new future. Things don't stand still in life, sometimes you have to roll with the punches, regardless of whether you feel someone could have done something and some point to stop it. It's happened, we have a new regime in place, a new manager, and they'll all do things their way regardless of whether you, in all your wisdom, disagree. Stop moaning about a disastrous future which hasn't even happened yet.[/p][/quote]I have banged on about it because I believe it was writ large in the sky and everyone turned the other way or chose not to read or hear what the players and management were saying. I firmly believe they were giving SFC the chance to keep it all together and push on provided the club stuck to the vision they were all sold when they joined or renewed their contracts - and that's not unreasonable of them. I don't have faith in our new chairman who appears totally out of his depth and lacking in the type of experience required to lead a team in the EPL that is under attack from the circus that makes up the whole thing - predatory clubs, media and agents trying to line their own pockets. I have always accepted that Saints can't compete in the transfer market and therefore growing your own is the only way, but we need to pay the appropriate wages. The academy can't save wages but it can save hundreds of millions in transfer fees. If a player insists on leaving then I understand you cannot stop him. What you can do is examine the reasons for him wanting to leave and avoid repeats in the future. Also you don't sell to someone you are in direct competition with - Man Utd in 7th to our 8th is as direct as you can get. We are trying to reel in 7th spot and I really don't see how a transfer that weakens our team and strengthens theirs helps in that cause! A disastrous future isn't what worries me, a return to mediocrity does though. You tell me - are you honestly as optimistic about next season and beyond as you were a few months ago? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

1:41pm Fri 27 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.
Something very suspicious about the thumbs down on this post - plenty of fishy antics going on today I fear.

Ignore the moronic actions of people with clearly too much time on their hands Osprey, it's a sad example of nasty little trolls and I hope these type of people will take a long look at themselves at some point because, if they do it here they are most likely spreading their sad behaviour to others.

And if they do take a good look at themselves, maybe they'll see that they have something missing in their lives they need to address before they attack others...

Or they could just go to The News website I guess
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.[/p][/quote]Something very suspicious about the thumbs down on this post - plenty of fishy antics going on today I fear. Ignore the moronic actions of people with clearly too much time on their hands Osprey, it's a sad example of nasty little trolls and I hope these type of people will take a long look at themselves at some point because, if they do it here they are most likely spreading their sad behaviour to others. And if they do take a good look at themselves, maybe they'll see that they have something missing in their lives they need to address before they attack others... Or they could just go to The News website I guess SaintJD
  • Score: 1

1:44pm Fri 27 Jun 14

saintbobby says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
SEED - Keep making your Valid points.

WE ARE A SELLING CLUB - and we have broken the NUMBER 1# RULEof selling to our Competitors on the Premier League.

COYR
Foot Soldier, you get a big PLUS for one comment and a big MINUS for the next.

If selling club means that we do sell players, then that is right. Some of the earlier sales were because we needed the money. However, the Shaw money, money for an inexperienced 18 year old, is just a huge sum. I do think we should not judge this too much, until we see how it is spent.

We might be quite pleased at the end of it all. We shall see.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: SEED - Keep making your Valid points. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB - and we have broken the NUMBER 1# RULEof selling to our Competitors on the Premier League. COYR[/p][/quote]Foot Soldier, you get a big PLUS for one comment and a big MINUS for the next. If selling club means that we do sell players, then that is right. Some of the earlier sales were because we needed the money. However, the Shaw money, money for an inexperienced 18 year old, is just a huge sum. I do think we should not judge this too much, until we see how it is spent. We might be quite pleased at the end of it all. We shall see. saintbobby
  • Score: 0

1:47pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.
And an honest man in the dishonest world of football. Something to be proud of Osprey.
"So I'll make my stand,and remain as I am,
and bid farewell.. and not give a ****!"
Don't think twice. It's all right.
Things have changed.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.[/p][/quote]And an honest man in the dishonest world of football. Something to be proud of Osprey.[/p][/quote]"So I'll make my stand,and remain as I am, and bid farewell.. and not give a ****!"[/p][/quote]Don't think twice. It's all right.[/p][/quote]Things have changed. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

1:51pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Rickie&Adz14 says...

I will p*ss my pants if Matt Taggart is better!!

I just have a funny feeling United are gonna get shredded for this deal...
I will p*ss my pants if Matt Taggart is better!! I just have a funny feeling United are gonna get shredded for this deal... Rickie&Adz14
  • Score: 1

1:52pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Confucious says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.
The secret cure is locked in a safe - as is the secret combination to the safe.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.[/p][/quote]The secret cure is locked in a safe - as is the secret combination to the safe. Confucious
  • Score: 0

1:53pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Stnana says...

Just seen on Twitter LS has deleted his twitter biography and announcement of AL's sale to LFC for £25mill expected later today ! May all be rumours but I have a bad feeling it's true.
Just seen on Twitter LS has deleted his twitter biography and announcement of AL's sale to LFC for £25mill expected later today ! May all be rumours but I have a bad feeling it's true. Stnana
  • Score: 0

1:58pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Santa65 says...

Confirmed on the BBC website that Man Utd has announced the signing of Shaw for £27m rising to £31m with add-ons. Good luck to him. It's a stupefying amount of money for a left-back! Why do Saints never announce these things before they get to the BBC?

Onwards and upwards. Fingers crossed for good news across a number of signings in the next week or so.
Confirmed on the BBC website that Man Utd has announced the signing of Shaw for £27m rising to £31m with add-ons. Good luck to him. It's a stupefying amount of money for a left-back! Why do Saints never announce these things before they get to the BBC? Onwards and upwards. Fingers crossed for good news across a number of signings in the next week or so. Santa65
  • Score: 0

2:01pm Fri 27 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

killared wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though.

Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.
I'm sorry but Scholes is right you can look at us for example Ramirez average, Yoshida average, Fonte average, Osvaldo average. Only the big boys can buy the real world class foreign players. Now yes our club is giving youth a chance but I don't believe Shaw is worth 30 odd million good for our club yes ! but bad for business. We might lose Lallana next and we gonna replace him with an average player because we can't buy a world class replacement. They won't come to our club because we are not in Europe. Scholes is right the EPL is full of average foreign players because English are too expensive and most of the time overrated. I believe for Shaw fee we could buy another player with Shaw ability and cheaper abroad, I still believe Shaw is good but not world class good is not Alaba, Bale, Alves, Cole.
killared your barking up the wrong the wrong tree again!
scholes is saying that its wrong for teams like saints to ask for so much for players like luke. a team that has invested heavily into a kid from the age of 8 and developed him into an outstanding prospect and england international! he is suggesting that not enough English players get the chance to play in the prem and that luke would play in the prem at manure. can you not see the fault and double standards in his argument?
Southampton are a club that produces and plays young English players, as was shown last season. yet scholes thinks its unfair that we ask for a fair price for all the effort we have put in over the last 10 years, half of which we spent trying to stay alive, and nearly didn't! yet we still invested money into this players development. and now scholes thinks he will play more first team football at manure! not likely.
the problem is with big clubs like manure who think its their right to go to other teams and take what the want. manure spent £30mill+ on rooney, £30mill+ on Ferdinand, an it goes on.

how many truly world class players are there out there? 20ish? we can be sure that none of them are English! so if English prem clubs are only meant to buy `world class` players who fills the gaps in the rosters? yes there are some good players in the lower leagues, most are out on loan from the `big` clubs who will never play them. teams in the championship and L1 want small fortunes for their players, and who could blame them when they see all the money the prem clubs have!
Ramirez average? I disagree, he may not have performed as we would have liked but he has great skills and is a Uruguay international, who by the way are still in the world cup. his path into the saints team is blocked by lalla, and lalla is a very good English international.
fonte average? again disagree, he has/had a great central defensive partnership with dejan and proved his worth more than once last season, I wonder if Portugal would rather have taken him to the world cup than pepe the angry. we didn't pay a lot for fonte and didn't bring him into the English game. I notice you didn't mention dejan, is he world class or average?
Osvaldo average? well not really. he just couldn't be bothered to try. we paid around £12-15mill for him and that isn't a lot for what was a regular Italian international forward! his attitude was the problem and I don't think he has lost his talent just his mind.
Yoshi average? well I might give you that one but again he is a full international and has just played for japan in all of their world cup games. he only cost £3mill as well.
what about Big Vic, is he world class or average? spider, world class or average?
how do you define a `world class player` (not you killared, just in general). what makes one player average and another `world class`. most of saints foreign singings are full internationals, does that make them world class? I really don't know so if anyone has a system for classing players I would appreciate the help.

as for paul "I was so worried about the English national team I decided to retire early from international duty to lengthen my club career" scholes, what about the team that brought buttner into English football? are they helping. Kleberson, Obertan, Djemba-Djemba, Taibi? are they all world class players? why don't manure try to produce their own players? instead of paying out fortunes for others why not invest in their academy, or does it make more sense to build up huge debts buying players instead?
[quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though. Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but Scholes is right you can look at us for example Ramirez average, Yoshida average, Fonte average, Osvaldo average. Only the big boys can buy the real world class foreign players. Now yes our club is giving youth a chance but I don't believe Shaw is worth 30 odd million good for our club yes ! but bad for business. We might lose Lallana next and we gonna replace him with an average player because we can't buy a world class replacement. They won't come to our club because we are not in Europe. Scholes is right the EPL is full of average foreign players because English are too expensive and most of the time overrated. I believe for Shaw fee we could buy another player with Shaw ability and cheaper abroad, I still believe Shaw is good but not world class good is not Alaba, Bale, Alves, Cole.[/p][/quote]killared your barking up the wrong the wrong tree again! scholes is saying that its wrong for teams like saints to ask for so much for players like luke. a team that has invested heavily into a kid from the age of 8 and developed him into an outstanding prospect and england international! he is suggesting that not enough English players get the chance to play in the prem and that luke would play in the prem at manure. can you not see the fault and double standards in his argument? Southampton are a club that produces and plays young English players, as was shown last season. yet scholes thinks its unfair that we ask for a fair price for all the effort we have put in over the last 10 years, half of which we spent trying to stay alive, and nearly didn't! yet we still invested money into this players development. and now scholes thinks he will play more first team football at manure! not likely. the problem is with big clubs like manure who think its their right to go to other teams and take what the want. manure spent £30mill+ on rooney, £30mill+ on Ferdinand, an it goes on. how many truly world class players are there out there? 20ish? we can be sure that none of them are English! so if English prem clubs are only meant to buy `world class` players who fills the gaps in the rosters? yes there are some good players in the lower leagues, most are out on loan from the `big` clubs who will never play them. teams in the championship and L1 want small fortunes for their players, and who could blame them when they see all the money the prem clubs have! Ramirez average? I disagree, he may not have performed as we would have liked but he has great skills and is a Uruguay international, who by the way are still in the world cup. his path into the saints team is blocked by lalla, and lalla is a very good English international. fonte average? again disagree, he has/had a great central defensive partnership with dejan and proved his worth more than once last season, I wonder if Portugal would rather have taken him to the world cup than pepe the angry. we didn't pay a lot for fonte and didn't bring him into the English game. I notice you didn't mention dejan, is he world class or average? Osvaldo average? well not really. he just couldn't be bothered to try. we paid around £12-15mill for him and that isn't a lot for what was a regular Italian international forward! his attitude was the problem and I don't think he has lost his talent just his mind. Yoshi average? well I might give you that one but again he is a full international and has just played for japan in all of their world cup games. he only cost £3mill as well. what about Big Vic, is he world class or average? spider, world class or average? how do you define a `world class player` (not you killared, just in general). what makes one player average and another `world class`. most of saints foreign singings are full internationals, does that make them world class? I really don't know so if anyone has a system for classing players I would appreciate the help. as for paul "I was so worried about the English national team I decided to retire early from international duty to lengthen my club career" scholes, what about the team that brought buttner into English football? are they helping. Kleberson, Obertan, Djemba-Djemba, Taibi? are they all world class players? why don't manure try to produce their own players? instead of paying out fortunes for others why not invest in their academy, or does it make more sense to build up huge debts buying players instead? de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 4

2:04pm Fri 27 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.
Life is an immobile, locked,
Three-handed struggle between
Your wants, the world's for you, and (worse)
The unbeatable slow machine
That brings what you'll get. Blocked,
They strain round a hollow stasis
Of havings-to, fear, faces.
Days sift down it constantly. Years.
That resembles my current Internet connection more than my life!
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.[/p][/quote]Life is an immobile, locked, Three-handed struggle between Your wants, the world's for you, and (worse) The unbeatable slow machine That brings what you'll get. Blocked, They strain round a hollow stasis Of havings-to, fear, faces. Days sift down it constantly. Years.[/p][/quote]That resembles my current Internet connection more than my life! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

2:05pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Mosin85 says...

27 million for a player with 14- 15 years playing time at the top and you think its a good deal? your kidding right?, how much did David luiz go for? he is 27 not a world class defender just a very good one but did he not just go for 50 million? with what 6 - 7 years left in him max? we have been robbed.............
27 million for a player with 14- 15 years playing time at the top and you think its a good deal? your kidding right?, how much did David luiz go for? he is 27 not a world class defender just a very good one but did he not just go for 50 million? with what 6 - 7 years left in him max? we have been robbed............. Mosin85
  • Score: 0

2:05pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Sainty saint saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though.

Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.
It's good to see that most people are disagreeing with you on here at the moment - you really have turned into a broken record and just keep banging on about the same point over and over again. So Cortese and MoPo have left. It's too late to worry about it now so stop bringing it up all the time.

I'm sure you don't consistently harp on about things that might have gone wrong in the past in your own business - you move on and look forward to a new future. Things don't stand still in life, sometimes you have to roll with the punches, regardless of whether you feel someone could have done something and some point to stop it.

It's happened, we have a new regime in place, a new manager, and they'll all do things their way regardless of whether you, in all your wisdom, disagree. Stop moaning about a disastrous future which hasn't even happened yet.
I have banged on about it because I believe it was writ large in the sky and everyone turned the other way or chose not to read or hear what the players and management were saying. I firmly believe they were giving SFC the chance to keep it all together and push on provided the club stuck to the vision they were all sold when they joined or renewed their contracts - and that's not unreasonable of them.

I don't have faith in our new chairman who appears totally out of his depth and lacking in the type of experience required to lead a team in the EPL that is under attack from the circus that makes up the whole thing - predatory clubs, media and agents trying to line their own pockets.

I have always accepted that Saints can't compete in the transfer market and therefore growing your own is the only way, but we need to pay the appropriate wages. The academy can't save wages but it can save hundreds of millions in transfer fees.

If a player insists on leaving then I understand you cannot stop him. What you can do is examine the reasons for him wanting to leave and avoid repeats in the future. Also you don't sell to someone you are in direct competition with - Man Utd in 7th to our 8th is as direct as you can get. We are trying to reel in 7th spot and I really don't see how a transfer that weakens our team and strengthens theirs helps in that cause!

A disastrous future isn't what worries me, a return to mediocrity does though. You tell me - are you honestly as optimistic about next season and beyond as you were a few months ago?
Honestly? Yes. But then I didn't really buy into some of NC's rhetoric in the first place.

I still believe we can compete and improve, but it won't be instant success, which is what NC tried to hint could be achieved.

I believe that it will take a few years for us to establish ourselves as THE destination for young talent who want to be part of a status-quo-challengi
ng football team.

I think we'll now do it the right way, i.e. in a self-funding way, by nurturing talent, selling some of it to fund more nurturing of talent, until we get to the point where players don't want to move to 'bigger' clubs because we can offer them what they would get there but in a self-sustaining way (i.e. bigger wages, European football, etc.).

Our ability to pay higher wages will come first from our sales of some academy talent every now and then in order to keep funding the academy and business as a whole, then from the increased revenue from our international reputation as THE ONLY football club that plays the Southampton Way, manages the Southampton Way, and creates the Southampton FC culture of business dealing.

NC wanted to achieve this quickly by being bankrolled with someone else's money. Now it's going to be done more slowly, but the destination is the same - to change the status quo and challenge at the top table not by pumping cash into a club but by creating its own wealth over a period of years.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though. Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.[/p][/quote]It's good to see that most people are disagreeing with you on here at the moment - you really have turned into a broken record and just keep banging on about the same point over and over again. So Cortese and MoPo have left. It's too late to worry about it now so stop bringing it up all the time. I'm sure you don't consistently harp on about things that might have gone wrong in the past in your own business - you move on and look forward to a new future. Things don't stand still in life, sometimes you have to roll with the punches, regardless of whether you feel someone could have done something and some point to stop it. It's happened, we have a new regime in place, a new manager, and they'll all do things their way regardless of whether you, in all your wisdom, disagree. Stop moaning about a disastrous future which hasn't even happened yet.[/p][/quote]I have banged on about it because I believe it was writ large in the sky and everyone turned the other way or chose not to read or hear what the players and management were saying. I firmly believe they were giving SFC the chance to keep it all together and push on provided the club stuck to the vision they were all sold when they joined or renewed their contracts - and that's not unreasonable of them. I don't have faith in our new chairman who appears totally out of his depth and lacking in the type of experience required to lead a team in the EPL that is under attack from the circus that makes up the whole thing - predatory clubs, media and agents trying to line their own pockets. I have always accepted that Saints can't compete in the transfer market and therefore growing your own is the only way, but we need to pay the appropriate wages. The academy can't save wages but it can save hundreds of millions in transfer fees. If a player insists on leaving then I understand you cannot stop him. What you can do is examine the reasons for him wanting to leave and avoid repeats in the future. Also you don't sell to someone you are in direct competition with - Man Utd in 7th to our 8th is as direct as you can get. We are trying to reel in 7th spot and I really don't see how a transfer that weakens our team and strengthens theirs helps in that cause! A disastrous future isn't what worries me, a return to mediocrity does though. You tell me - are you honestly as optimistic about next season and beyond as you were a few months ago?[/p][/quote]Honestly? Yes. But then I didn't really buy into some of NC's rhetoric in the first place. I still believe we can compete and improve, but it won't be instant success, which is what NC tried to hint could be achieved. I believe that it will take a few years for us to establish ourselves as THE destination for young talent who want to be part of a status-quo-challengi ng football team. I think we'll now do it the right way, i.e. in a self-funding way, by nurturing talent, selling some of it to fund more nurturing of talent, until we get to the point where players don't want to move to 'bigger' clubs because we can offer them what they would get there but in a self-sustaining way (i.e. bigger wages, European football, etc.). Our ability to pay higher wages will come first from our sales of some academy talent every now and then in order to keep funding the academy and business as a whole, then from the increased revenue from our international reputation as THE ONLY football club that plays the Southampton Way, manages the Southampton Way, and creates the Southampton FC culture of business dealing. NC wanted to achieve this quickly by being bankrolled with someone else's money. Now it's going to be done more slowly, but the destination is the same - to change the status quo and challenge at the top table not by pumping cash into a club but by creating its own wealth over a period of years. Sainty saint saint
  • Score: 2

2:06pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Rickie&Adz14 wrote:
I will p*ss my pants if Matt Taggart is better!!

I just have a funny feeling United are gonna get shredded for this deal...
Let's hope so!

And if he is let's also hope we're not back here next summer saying the same old things because someone wants to poach him.

I was surprised that Targett didn't get a cup game or two, particularly after we moved Fox on. He is only 3 months younger than Shaw and therefore is quite a bit older than Shaw was when he first played for the first team.
[quote][p][bold]Rickie&Adz14[/bold] wrote: I will p*ss my pants if Matt Taggart is better!! I just have a funny feeling United are gonna get shredded for this deal...[/p][/quote]Let's hope so! And if he is let's also hope we're not back here next summer saying the same old things because someone wants to poach him. I was surprised that Targett didn't get a cup game or two, particularly after we moved Fox on. He is only 3 months younger than Shaw and therefore is quite a bit older than Shaw was when he first played for the first team. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

2:08pm Fri 27 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
killared wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though.

Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.
I'm sorry but Scholes is right you can look at us for example Ramirez average, Yoshida average, Fonte average, Osvaldo average. Only the big boys can buy the real world class foreign players. Now yes our club is giving youth a chance but I don't believe Shaw is worth 30 odd million good for our club yes ! but bad for business. We might lose Lallana next and we gonna replace him with an average player because we can't buy a world class replacement. They won't come to our club because we are not in Europe. Scholes is right the EPL is full of average foreign players because English are too expensive and most of the time overrated. I believe for Shaw fee we could buy another player with Shaw ability and cheaper abroad, I still believe Shaw is good but not world class good is not Alaba, Bale, Alves, Cole.
killared your barking up the wrong the wrong tree again!
scholes is saying that its wrong for teams like saints to ask for so much for players like luke. a team that has invested heavily into a kid from the age of 8 and developed him into an outstanding prospect and england international! he is suggesting that not enough English players get the chance to play in the prem and that luke would play in the prem at manure. can you not see the fault and double standards in his argument?
Southampton are a club that produces and plays young English players, as was shown last season. yet scholes thinks its unfair that we ask for a fair price for all the effort we have put in over the last 10 years, half of which we spent trying to stay alive, and nearly didn't! yet we still invested money into this players development. and now scholes thinks he will play more first team football at manure! not likely.
the problem is with big clubs like manure who think its their right to go to other teams and take what the want. manure spent £30mill+ on rooney, £30mill+ on Ferdinand, an it goes on.

how many truly world class players are there out there? 20ish? we can be sure that none of them are English! so if English prem clubs are only meant to buy `world class` players who fills the gaps in the rosters? yes there are some good players in the lower leagues, most are out on loan from the `big` clubs who will never play them. teams in the championship and L1 want small fortunes for their players, and who could blame them when they see all the money the prem clubs have!
Ramirez average? I disagree, he may not have performed as we would have liked but he has great skills and is a Uruguay international, who by the way are still in the world cup. his path into the saints team is blocked by lalla, and lalla is a very good English international.
fonte average? again disagree, he has/had a great central defensive partnership with dejan and proved his worth more than once last season, I wonder if Portugal would rather have taken him to the world cup than pepe the angry. we didn't pay a lot for fonte and didn't bring him into the English game. I notice you didn't mention dejan, is he world class or average?
Osvaldo average? well not really. he just couldn't be bothered to try. we paid around £12-15mill for him and that isn't a lot for what was a regular Italian international forward! his attitude was the problem and I don't think he has lost his talent just his mind.
Yoshi average? well I might give you that one but again he is a full international and has just played for japan in all of their world cup games. he only cost £3mill as well.
what about Big Vic, is he world class or average? spider, world class or average?
how do you define a `world class player` (not you killared, just in general). what makes one player average and another `world class`. most of saints foreign singings are full internationals, does that make them world class? I really don't know so if anyone has a system for classing players I would appreciate the help.

as for paul "I was so worried about the English national team I decided to retire early from international duty to lengthen my club career" scholes, what about the team that brought buttner into English football? are they helping. Kleberson, Obertan, Djemba-Djemba, Taibi? are they all world class players? why don't manure try to produce their own players? instead of paying out fortunes for others why not invest in their academy, or does it make more sense to build up huge debts buying players instead?
A very good post, well reasoned and I cannot argue with any of it.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though. Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but Scholes is right you can look at us for example Ramirez average, Yoshida average, Fonte average, Osvaldo average. Only the big boys can buy the real world class foreign players. Now yes our club is giving youth a chance but I don't believe Shaw is worth 30 odd million good for our club yes ! but bad for business. We might lose Lallana next and we gonna replace him with an average player because we can't buy a world class replacement. They won't come to our club because we are not in Europe. Scholes is right the EPL is full of average foreign players because English are too expensive and most of the time overrated. I believe for Shaw fee we could buy another player with Shaw ability and cheaper abroad, I still believe Shaw is good but not world class good is not Alaba, Bale, Alves, Cole.[/p][/quote]killared your barking up the wrong the wrong tree again! scholes is saying that its wrong for teams like saints to ask for so much for players like luke. a team that has invested heavily into a kid from the age of 8 and developed him into an outstanding prospect and england international! he is suggesting that not enough English players get the chance to play in the prem and that luke would play in the prem at manure. can you not see the fault and double standards in his argument? Southampton are a club that produces and plays young English players, as was shown last season. yet scholes thinks its unfair that we ask for a fair price for all the effort we have put in over the last 10 years, half of which we spent trying to stay alive, and nearly didn't! yet we still invested money into this players development. and now scholes thinks he will play more first team football at manure! not likely. the problem is with big clubs like manure who think its their right to go to other teams and take what the want. manure spent £30mill+ on rooney, £30mill+ on Ferdinand, an it goes on. how many truly world class players are there out there? 20ish? we can be sure that none of them are English! so if English prem clubs are only meant to buy `world class` players who fills the gaps in the rosters? yes there are some good players in the lower leagues, most are out on loan from the `big` clubs who will never play them. teams in the championship and L1 want small fortunes for their players, and who could blame them when they see all the money the prem clubs have! Ramirez average? I disagree, he may not have performed as we would have liked but he has great skills and is a Uruguay international, who by the way are still in the world cup. his path into the saints team is blocked by lalla, and lalla is a very good English international. fonte average? again disagree, he has/had a great central defensive partnership with dejan and proved his worth more than once last season, I wonder if Portugal would rather have taken him to the world cup than pepe the angry. we didn't pay a lot for fonte and didn't bring him into the English game. I notice you didn't mention dejan, is he world class or average? Osvaldo average? well not really. he just couldn't be bothered to try. we paid around £12-15mill for him and that isn't a lot for what was a regular Italian international forward! his attitude was the problem and I don't think he has lost his talent just his mind. Yoshi average? well I might give you that one but again he is a full international and has just played for japan in all of their world cup games. he only cost £3mill as well. what about Big Vic, is he world class or average? spider, world class or average? how do you define a `world class player` (not you killared, just in general). what makes one player average and another `world class`. most of saints foreign singings are full internationals, does that make them world class? I really don't know so if anyone has a system for classing players I would appreciate the help. as for paul "I was so worried about the English national team I decided to retire early from international duty to lengthen my club career" scholes, what about the team that brought buttner into English football? are they helping. Kleberson, Obertan, Djemba-Djemba, Taibi? are they all world class players? why don't manure try to produce their own players? instead of paying out fortunes for others why not invest in their academy, or does it make more sense to build up huge debts buying players instead?[/p][/quote]A very good post, well reasoned and I cannot argue with any of it. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

2:09pm Fri 27 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

sky sources.

lalla travelling to diverpooh for medical, could be a done deal today!
sky sources. lalla travelling to diverpooh for medical, could be a done deal today! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 0

2:09pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Mush On The Beach says...

jls217 wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
If Luke goes now it’s not the end of the world but perhaps it’s the end of some romantic dream that we could take on the old school in the long term with a team inspired by our youth system.
Last season has shown that we will not be allowed to develop a young squad of great potential without the big boys continually coming to ransack it.

We are at best likely to achieve being a top 6 team and will always struggle to get past that, there is no shame in that. A good cup run each year and a solid performance in the prem playing attractive football will still make us the envy of many good football clubs and their fans in England.

It will always go back to salaries, we cannot and should not compete with those ludicrous figures offered by the current top 6.
The only way this cartel will ever be broken is by a change in the rules and I’m not convinced the Financial Fair Play is the answer. The only plausible solution to allow equity within a football league to me is a salary cap, but of course that would never be allowed. I watch a lot of AFL which is run on such a system, I’m not saying it’s a perfect concept but it does allow for each club to have a window of opportunity to take out the main prize.

Our football academy is a football factory that will continue to give us an edge over many clubs. Luke moving on at just 18 proves that premiership football in reality is a cold serious business and not just some romantic dream. Go out and spend wisely Ron.
Interesting points - wages cap would unfortunately mean all the top talent English (if we ever get any) as well as foreign will disappear overseas tut-suite. It's clear something has to change however.
How about another variation of an idea from the US. The FA runs a huge and central youth academy. The poorest placed club in the league gets the pick of that years graduation with the freedom to sell/trade after two years service with the club.
I would struggle to believe the FA could not afford such a project or maybe funded by a 1% of income fee from all pro clubs.
Another way round it is an agreement when the youngster is offered a contract at 17 that it is legally binding for that youngster to stay at five years unless mutually agreed he moves on. Or indeed the club just saying, "No you will honour your contract" End of.
There is a similar draft system in Aussie Rules where the young kids (Rookies) from the state leagues are drafted into the professional teams on a priority pick allocation, bottom teams getting the first best options. The argument against is that it rewards failure and is prone to tanking of games at the end of a season if you have nothing to play for.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: If Luke goes now it’s not the end of the world but perhaps it’s the end of some romantic dream that we could take on the old school in the long term with a team inspired by our youth system. Last season has shown that we will not be allowed to develop a young squad of great potential without the big boys continually coming to ransack it. We are at best likely to achieve being a top 6 team and will always struggle to get past that, there is no shame in that. A good cup run each year and a solid performance in the prem playing attractive football will still make us the envy of many good football clubs and their fans in England. It will always go back to salaries, we cannot and should not compete with those ludicrous figures offered by the current top 6. The only way this cartel will ever be broken is by a change in the rules and I’m not convinced the Financial Fair Play is the answer. The only plausible solution to allow equity within a football league to me is a salary cap, but of course that would never be allowed. I watch a lot of AFL which is run on such a system, I’m not saying it’s a perfect concept but it does allow for each club to have a window of opportunity to take out the main prize. Our football academy is a football factory that will continue to give us an edge over many clubs. Luke moving on at just 18 proves that premiership football in reality is a cold serious business and not just some romantic dream. Go out and spend wisely Ron.[/p][/quote]Interesting points - wages cap would unfortunately mean all the top talent English (if we ever get any) as well as foreign will disappear overseas tut-suite. It's clear something has to change however. How about another variation of an idea from the US. The FA runs a huge and central youth academy. The poorest placed club in the league gets the pick of that years graduation with the freedom to sell/trade after two years service with the club. I would struggle to believe the FA could not afford such a project or maybe funded by a 1% of income fee from all pro clubs. Another way round it is an agreement when the youngster is offered a contract at 17 that it is legally binding for that youngster to stay at five years unless mutually agreed he moves on. Or indeed the club just saying, "No you will honour your contract" End of.[/p][/quote]There is a similar draft system in Aussie Rules where the young kids (Rookies) from the state leagues are drafted into the professional teams on a priority pick allocation, bottom teams getting the first best options. The argument against is that it rewards failure and is prone to tanking of games at the end of a season if you have nothing to play for. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 0

2:09pm Fri 27 Jun 14

notaclue says...

Bracing myself for Lallana, Lovren and Spiderman to be next but sooooo hope I am wrong.
Koeman spent £4m in 3 years at Feyenoord he now has £60m to spend in 66 days, this is a big test for the new order.
Bracing myself for Lallana, Lovren and Spiderman to be next but sooooo hope I am wrong. Koeman spent £4m in 3 years at Feyenoord he now has £60m to spend in 66 days, this is a big test for the new order. notaclue
  • Score: 0

2:12pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Mush On The Beach says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.
And an honest man in the dishonest world of football. Something to be proud of Osprey.
"So I'll make my stand,and remain as I am,
and bid farewell.. and not give a ****!"
Don't think twice. It's all right.
Things have changed.
I have 3 words for you and George...... You’re a Jokerman.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.[/p][/quote]And an honest man in the dishonest world of football. Something to be proud of Osprey.[/p][/quote]"So I'll make my stand,and remain as I am, and bid farewell.. and not give a ****!"[/p][/quote]Don't think twice. It's all right.[/p][/quote]Things have changed.[/p][/quote]I have 3 words for you and George...... You’re a Jokerman. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 0

2:12pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Sheffieldsaint says...

Just heard through 'sources' that Lallana is due to have a medical at Liverpoo', if true what is it about our club that wants to make all our best players want to leave. Oh! I know filthy lucre. If that's what its all about Adam then good riddance and I hope that Saints get good deal for him with all payments up front.
Just heard through 'sources' that Lallana is due to have a medical at Liverpoo', if true what is it about our club that wants to make all our best players want to leave. Oh! I know filthy lucre. If that's what its all about Adam then good riddance and I hope that Saints get good deal for him with all payments up front. Sheffieldsaint
  • Score: 0

2:12pm Fri 27 Jun 14

cotswoldsaint says...

Lallana heading to Liverpool today for a medical, according to Daily Telegraph website. Deal worth £25m, it claims. If true, all very sad.
Lallana heading to Liverpool today for a medical, according to Daily Telegraph website. Deal worth £25m, it claims. If true, all very sad. cotswoldsaint
  • Score: 0

2:14pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Mush On The Beach says...

Rickie&Adz14 wrote:
I will p*ss my pants if Matt Taggart is better!!

I just have a funny feeling United are gonna get shredded for this deal...
They have form, they bought the wrong Wallace brother.
[quote][p][bold]Rickie&Adz14[/bold] wrote: I will p*ss my pants if Matt Taggart is better!! I just have a funny feeling United are gonna get shredded for this deal...[/p][/quote]They have form, they bought the wrong Wallace brother. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 0

2:14pm Fri 27 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Confucious wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.
The secret cure is locked in a safe - as is the secret combination to the safe.
I found a miracle cure for memory loss, put it in a safe and now I can't remember the combination for that either.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.[/p][/quote]The secret cure is locked in a safe - as is the secret combination to the safe.[/p][/quote]I found a miracle cure for memory loss, put it in a safe and now I can't remember the combination for that either. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

2:17pm Fri 27 Jun 14

bullsbags says...

Mosin85 wrote:
27 million for a player with 14- 15 years playing time at the top and you think its a good deal? your kidding right?, how much did David luiz go for? he is 27 not a world class defender just a very good one but did he not just go for 50 million? with what 6 - 7 years left in him max? we have been robbed.............
Shaw is not world class
He is a good player with potential that's all
What **** me off is the fact we turn them into very good players then they just p!ss off when clubs like man fecking united come calling
The 30 mill is irrelevant is the principle that p!sses me off
[quote][p][bold]Mosin85[/bold] wrote: 27 million for a player with 14- 15 years playing time at the top and you think its a good deal? your kidding right?, how much did David luiz go for? he is 27 not a world class defender just a very good one but did he not just go for 50 million? with what 6 - 7 years left in him max? we have been robbed.............[/p][/quote]Shaw is not world class He is a good player with potential that's all What **** me off is the fact we turn them into very good players then they just p!ss off when clubs like man fecking united come calling The 30 mill is irrelevant is the principle that p!sses me off bullsbags
  • Score: 0

2:19pm Fri 27 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
If Luke goes now it’s not the end of the world but perhaps it’s the end of some romantic dream that we could take on the old school in the long term with a team inspired by our youth system.
Last season has shown that we will not be allowed to develop a young squad of great potential without the big boys continually coming to ransack it.

We are at best likely to achieve being a top 6 team and will always struggle to get past that, there is no shame in that. A good cup run each year and a solid performance in the prem playing attractive football will still make us the envy of many good football clubs and their fans in England.

It will always go back to salaries, we cannot and should not compete with those ludicrous figures offered by the current top 6.
The only way this cartel will ever be broken is by a change in the rules and I’m not convinced the Financial Fair Play is the answer. The only plausible solution to allow equity within a football league to me is a salary cap, but of course that would never be allowed. I watch a lot of AFL which is run on such a system, I’m not saying it’s a perfect concept but it does allow for each club to have a window of opportunity to take out the main prize.

Our football academy is a football factory that will continue to give us an edge over many clubs. Luke moving on at just 18 proves that premiership football in reality is a cold serious business and not just some romantic dream. Go out and spend wisely Ron.
Interesting points - wages cap would unfortunately mean all the top talent English (if we ever get any) as well as foreign will disappear overseas tut-suite. It's clear something has to change however.
How about another variation of an idea from the US. The FA runs a huge and central youth academy. The poorest placed club in the league gets the pick of that years graduation with the freedom to sell/trade after two years service with the club.
I would struggle to believe the FA could not afford such a project or maybe funded by a 1% of income fee from all pro clubs.
Another way round it is an agreement when the youngster is offered a contract at 17 that it is legally binding for that youngster to stay at five years unless mutually agreed he moves on. Or indeed the club just saying, "No you will honour your contract" End of.
There is a similar draft system in Aussie Rules where the young kids (Rookies) from the state leagues are drafted into the professional teams on a priority pick allocation, bottom teams getting the first best options. The argument against is that it rewards failure and is prone to tanking of games at the end of a season if you have nothing to play for.
To offset the notion of throwing games there could still be a cash bonus offered depending on position at end of season. Never though of that, makes it even more difficult to come up with something equitable.

Guess we're back to making them give some years back to the club that nurtured them eh. Germany has a real problem with this as every player which looks as though he's going to make it to the German team they snap up at inflated prices and silly wages. At least in this country there's four/five of them vying for the players but little consolation to us in the second tier. Somebody out there has the solution but just hasn't dreamt it up yet.
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: If Luke goes now it’s not the end of the world but perhaps it’s the end of some romantic dream that we could take on the old school in the long term with a team inspired by our youth system. Last season has shown that we will not be allowed to develop a young squad of great potential without the big boys continually coming to ransack it. We are at best likely to achieve being a top 6 team and will always struggle to get past that, there is no shame in that. A good cup run each year and a solid performance in the prem playing attractive football will still make us the envy of many good football clubs and their fans in England. It will always go back to salaries, we cannot and should not compete with those ludicrous figures offered by the current top 6. The only way this cartel will ever be broken is by a change in the rules and I’m not convinced the Financial Fair Play is the answer. The only plausible solution to allow equity within a football league to me is a salary cap, but of course that would never be allowed. I watch a lot of AFL which is run on such a system, I’m not saying it’s a perfect concept but it does allow for each club to have a window of opportunity to take out the main prize. Our football academy is a football factory that will continue to give us an edge over many clubs. Luke moving on at just 18 proves that premiership football in reality is a cold serious business and not just some romantic dream. Go out and spend wisely Ron.[/p][/quote]Interesting points - wages cap would unfortunately mean all the top talent English (if we ever get any) as well as foreign will disappear overseas tut-suite. It's clear something has to change however. How about another variation of an idea from the US. The FA runs a huge and central youth academy. The poorest placed club in the league gets the pick of that years graduation with the freedom to sell/trade after two years service with the club. I would struggle to believe the FA could not afford such a project or maybe funded by a 1% of income fee from all pro clubs. Another way round it is an agreement when the youngster is offered a contract at 17 that it is legally binding for that youngster to stay at five years unless mutually agreed he moves on. Or indeed the club just saying, "No you will honour your contract" End of.[/p][/quote]There is a similar draft system in Aussie Rules where the young kids (Rookies) from the state leagues are drafted into the professional teams on a priority pick allocation, bottom teams getting the first best options. The argument against is that it rewards failure and is prone to tanking of games at the end of a season if you have nothing to play for.[/p][/quote]To offset the notion of throwing games there could still be a cash bonus offered depending on position at end of season. Never though of that, makes it even more difficult to come up with something equitable. Guess we're back to making them give some years back to the club that nurtured them eh. Germany has a real problem with this as every player which looks as though he's going to make it to the German team they snap up at inflated prices and silly wages. At least in this country there's four/five of them vying for the players but little consolation to us in the second tier. Somebody out there has the solution but just hasn't dreamt it up yet. jls217
  • Score: -1

2:19pm Fri 27 Jun 14

jasons odd says...

...Looks like we are a selling club then

Shame . We might have actually achieved something if Cortese had been allowed to continue
...Looks like we are a selling club then Shame . We might have actually achieved something if Cortese had been allowed to continue jasons odd
  • Score: 2

2:20pm Fri 27 Jun 14

jls217 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Confucious wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.
The secret cure is locked in a safe - as is the secret combination to the safe.
I found a miracle cure for memory loss, put it in a safe and now I can't remember the combination for that either.
What safe?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.[/p][/quote]The secret cure is locked in a safe - as is the secret combination to the safe.[/p][/quote]I found a miracle cure for memory loss, put it in a safe and now I can't remember the combination for that either.[/p][/quote]What safe? jls217
  • Score: -1

2:22pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though.

Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.
It's good to see that most people are disagreeing with you on here at the moment - you really have turned into a broken record and just keep banging on about the same point over and over again. So Cortese and MoPo have left. It's too late to worry about it now so stop bringing it up all the time.

I'm sure you don't consistently harp on about things that might have gone wrong in the past in your own business - you move on and look forward to a new future. Things don't stand still in life, sometimes you have to roll with the punches, regardless of whether you feel someone could have done something and some point to stop it.

It's happened, we have a new regime in place, a new manager, and they'll all do things their way regardless of whether you, in all your wisdom, disagree. Stop moaning about a disastrous future which hasn't even happened yet.
I have banged on about it because I believe it was writ large in the sky and everyone turned the other way or chose not to read or hear what the players and management were saying. I firmly believe they were giving SFC the chance to keep it all together and push on provided the club stuck to the vision they were all sold when they joined or renewed their contracts - and that's not unreasonable of them.

I don't have faith in our new chairman who appears totally out of his depth and lacking in the type of experience required to lead a team in the EPL that is under attack from the circus that makes up the whole thing - predatory clubs, media and agents trying to line their own pockets.

I have always accepted that Saints can't compete in the transfer market and therefore growing your own is the only way, but we need to pay the appropriate wages. The academy can't save wages but it can save hundreds of millions in transfer fees.

If a player insists on leaving then I understand you cannot stop him. What you can do is examine the reasons for him wanting to leave and avoid repeats in the future. Also you don't sell to someone you are in direct competition with - Man Utd in 7th to our 8th is as direct as you can get. We are trying to reel in 7th spot and I really don't see how a transfer that weakens our team and strengthens theirs helps in that cause!

A disastrous future isn't what worries me, a return to mediocrity does though. You tell me - are you honestly as optimistic about next season and beyond as you were a few months ago?
Honestly? Yes. But then I didn't really buy into some of NC's rhetoric in the first place.

I still believe we can compete and improve, but it won't be instant success, which is what NC tried to hint could be achieved.

I believe that it will take a few years for us to establish ourselves as THE destination for young talent who want to be part of a status-quo-challengi

ng football team.

I think we'll now do it the right way, i.e. in a self-funding way, by nurturing talent, selling some of it to fund more nurturing of talent, until we get to the point where players don't want to move to 'bigger' clubs because we can offer them what they would get there but in a self-sustaining way (i.e. bigger wages, European football, etc.).

Our ability to pay higher wages will come first from our sales of some academy talent every now and then in order to keep funding the academy and business as a whole, then from the increased revenue from our international reputation as THE ONLY football club that plays the Southampton Way, manages the Southampton Way, and creates the Southampton FC culture of business dealing.

NC wanted to achieve this quickly by being bankrolled with someone else's money. Now it's going to be done more slowly, but the destination is the same - to change the status quo and challenge at the top table not by pumping cash into a club but by creating its own wealth over a period of years.
I'm not sure NC was after it that quickly. He also understood the importance of sustainability and talked of it on more than one occasion - don't forget his background.

The Southampton Way was also his phrase and the vision that sat behind it was his. There is a difference between a chairman who sets up a training facility with every type of pitch that might be encountered in the Prem together with an analyst team of 20 strong monitoring every player and manager and a chairman who during the manager recruitment period announces he has just discovered that team! I really cannot see what makes people say Ralph is the right man - other than blind allegiance to the club.

The point is one of the ways to keep the youngsters like Luke at the club is to show them we mean business going forward. We have £100m coming into the club next season and the core of our team was assembled for peanuts - Boruc, Clyne, Shaw, Chambers, Fonte, Lovren, Cork, Morgan, Adam, Jay Rod and Davies - cost less than £25m between them!
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though. Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.[/p][/quote]It's good to see that most people are disagreeing with you on here at the moment - you really have turned into a broken record and just keep banging on about the same point over and over again. So Cortese and MoPo have left. It's too late to worry about it now so stop bringing it up all the time. I'm sure you don't consistently harp on about things that might have gone wrong in the past in your own business - you move on and look forward to a new future. Things don't stand still in life, sometimes you have to roll with the punches, regardless of whether you feel someone could have done something and some point to stop it. It's happened, we have a new regime in place, a new manager, and they'll all do things their way regardless of whether you, in all your wisdom, disagree. Stop moaning about a disastrous future which hasn't even happened yet.[/p][/quote]I have banged on about it because I believe it was writ large in the sky and everyone turned the other way or chose not to read or hear what the players and management were saying. I firmly believe they were giving SFC the chance to keep it all together and push on provided the club stuck to the vision they were all sold when they joined or renewed their contracts - and that's not unreasonable of them. I don't have faith in our new chairman who appears totally out of his depth and lacking in the type of experience required to lead a team in the EPL that is under attack from the circus that makes up the whole thing - predatory clubs, media and agents trying to line their own pockets. I have always accepted that Saints can't compete in the transfer market and therefore growing your own is the only way, but we need to pay the appropriate wages. The academy can't save wages but it can save hundreds of millions in transfer fees. If a player insists on leaving then I understand you cannot stop him. What you can do is examine the reasons for him wanting to leave and avoid repeats in the future. Also you don't sell to someone you are in direct competition with - Man Utd in 7th to our 8th is as direct as you can get. We are trying to reel in 7th spot and I really don't see how a transfer that weakens our team and strengthens theirs helps in that cause! A disastrous future isn't what worries me, a return to mediocrity does though. You tell me - are you honestly as optimistic about next season and beyond as you were a few months ago?[/p][/quote]Honestly? Yes. But then I didn't really buy into some of NC's rhetoric in the first place. I still believe we can compete and improve, but it won't be instant success, which is what NC tried to hint could be achieved. I believe that it will take a few years for us to establish ourselves as THE destination for young talent who want to be part of a status-quo-challengi ng football team. I think we'll now do it the right way, i.e. in a self-funding way, by nurturing talent, selling some of it to fund more nurturing of talent, until we get to the point where players don't want to move to 'bigger' clubs because we can offer them what they would get there but in a self-sustaining way (i.e. bigger wages, European football, etc.). Our ability to pay higher wages will come first from our sales of some academy talent every now and then in order to keep funding the academy and business as a whole, then from the increased revenue from our international reputation as THE ONLY football club that plays the Southampton Way, manages the Southampton Way, and creates the Southampton FC culture of business dealing. NC wanted to achieve this quickly by being bankrolled with someone else's money. Now it's going to be done more slowly, but the destination is the same - to change the status quo and challenge at the top table not by pumping cash into a club but by creating its own wealth over a period of years.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure NC was after it that quickly. He also understood the importance of sustainability and talked of it on more than one occasion - don't forget his background. The Southampton Way was also his phrase and the vision that sat behind it was his. There is a difference between a chairman who sets up a training facility with every type of pitch that might be encountered in the Prem together with an analyst team of 20 strong monitoring every player and manager and a chairman who during the manager recruitment period announces he has just discovered that team! I really cannot see what makes people say Ralph is the right man - other than blind allegiance to the club. The point is one of the ways to keep the youngsters like Luke at the club is to show them we mean business going forward. We have £100m coming into the club next season and the core of our team was assembled for peanuts - Boruc, Clyne, Shaw, Chambers, Fonte, Lovren, Cork, Morgan, Adam, Jay Rod and Davies - cost less than £25m between them! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

2:26pm Fri 27 Jun 14

jls217 says...

bullsbags wrote:
Mosin85 wrote:
27 million for a player with 14- 15 years playing time at the top and you think its a good deal? your kidding right?, how much did David luiz go for? he is 27 not a world class defender just a very good one but did he not just go for 50 million? with what 6 - 7 years left in him max? we have been robbed.............
Shaw is not world class
He is a good player with potential that's all
What **** me off is the fact we turn them into very good players then they just p!ss off when clubs like man fecking united come calling
The 30 mill is irrelevant is the principle that p!sses me off
With you mate - ready to break out into tears of frustration over it all. Someone just reported that Lallana is having a medical today also. Well rid of him because of his attitude but I liked his style of play nevertheless.

Look on the bright side Rambo is going to have an awful lot of money to bring in half the Dutch U21 side. His recent experiences of that league will tell him exactly who is worth a gamble and who is not so he's one step ahead of most managers looking to cherry pick from that league.

I used the same words as you and my brother - the businessman of the family quoted - you can't put principles in the bank, enjoy the money instead. He has a point but it still doesn't sit right.
[quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosin85[/bold] wrote: 27 million for a player with 14- 15 years playing time at the top and you think its a good deal? your kidding right?, how much did David luiz go for? he is 27 not a world class defender just a very good one but did he not just go for 50 million? with what 6 - 7 years left in him max? we have been robbed.............[/p][/quote]Shaw is not world class He is a good player with potential that's all What **** me off is the fact we turn them into very good players then they just p!ss off when clubs like man fecking united come calling The 30 mill is irrelevant is the principle that p!sses me off[/p][/quote]With you mate - ready to break out into tears of frustration over it all. Someone just reported that Lallana is having a medical today also. Well rid of him because of his attitude but I liked his style of play nevertheless. Look on the bright side Rambo is going to have an awful lot of money to bring in half the Dutch U21 side. His recent experiences of that league will tell him exactly who is worth a gamble and who is not so he's one step ahead of most managers looking to cherry pick from that league. I used the same words as you and my brother - the businessman of the family quoted - you can't put principles in the bank, enjoy the money instead. He has a point but it still doesn't sit right. jls217
  • Score: -1

2:27pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Confucious wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.
The secret cure is locked in a safe - as is the secret combination to the safe.
I caught the infection in the late sixties and had nearly cured myself during a down spell,even considering infecting myself with Leeds Utd,to ease the pain,but then In early 1976,Hughie Fisher scored a late equaliser against Aston Villa,and the malady broke out again,and I have suffered the highs and Lowes of this severe illness,on and off ever since.
The illness can cause the sufferer much pain and anxiety,and doctors tell me that I will suffer these moments,for the rest of my life,but for any other sufferers who are considering giving up,I can only say don't,because in between the bouts of severe depression there will be moments of supreme ecstasy, which makes this incurable illness well worth all the pain which it can,and so often does inflict.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.[/p][/quote]The secret cure is locked in a safe - as is the secret combination to the safe.[/p][/quote]I caught the infection in the late sixties and had nearly cured myself during a down spell,even considering infecting myself with Leeds Utd,to ease the pain,but then In early 1976,Hughie Fisher scored a late equaliser against Aston Villa,and the malady broke out again,and I have suffered the highs and Lowes of this severe illness,on and off ever since. The illness can cause the sufferer much pain and anxiety,and doctors tell me that I will suffer these moments,for the rest of my life,but for any other sufferers who are considering giving up,I can only say don't,because in between the bouts of severe depression there will be moments of supreme ecstasy, which makes this incurable illness well worth all the pain which it can,and so often does inflict. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

2:28pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

cotswoldsaint wrote:
Lallana heading to Liverpool today for a medical, according to Daily Telegraph website. Deal worth £25m, it claims. If true, all very sad.
Is he car sharing with Lovren?

To all those saying it's soooooooo much money we have to take it I say remember Shearer. A British record fee of £3.3m was soooooooo much money - until Blackburn sold him on to the Toons for £15m.
[quote][p][bold]cotswoldsaint[/bold] wrote: Lallana heading to Liverpool today for a medical, according to Daily Telegraph website. Deal worth £25m, it claims. If true, all very sad.[/p][/quote]Is he car sharing with Lovren? To all those saying it's soooooooo much money we have to take it I say remember Shearer. A British record fee of £3.3m was soooooooo much money - until Blackburn sold him on to the Toons for £15m. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -1

2:34pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.
And an honest man in the dishonest world of football. Something to be proud of Osprey.
"So I'll make my stand,and remain as I am,
and bid farewell.. and not give a ****!"
Don't think twice. It's all right.
Things have changed.
I have 3 words for you and George...... You’re a Jokerman.
How does it feel...?
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Anyone that supports the Saints knows it will always be a rocky ride, at the moment my thoughts are in turmoil, I feel foolish and naive for believing the rhetoric about not selling players, I feel betrayed by players that want to get away from what was looking to be a promising outlook, I am happy we have a strong Manager but I want to see some results before passing judgement, I now see that the new season will be a whole new ball game, with hopefully some quality signings, at the moment I am angry, but in a few days I will be over that, time to move on and see what the future brings, I have no choice as I am a serial Saints fan, there is no cure known to mankind.[/p][/quote]And an honest man in the dishonest world of football. Something to be proud of Osprey.[/p][/quote]"So I'll make my stand,and remain as I am, and bid farewell.. and not give a ****!"[/p][/quote]Don't think twice. It's all right.[/p][/quote]Things have changed.[/p][/quote]I have 3 words for you and George...... You’re a Jokerman.[/p][/quote]How does it feel...? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

2:40pm Fri 27 Jun 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though.

Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.
HAHAHAHAHAHA here he goes again... nice work Seedhouse! You do make me laugh!!

I think you need to lay off the booze or drugs ;)
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Scholes you were a great player but you're a bit thick. You've argued against yourself. Southampton are giving young English talent a chance, that's why Roy watched nearly every game last season. It's the likes of Man U, Chelsea and City that aren't. If you and Roy had sense you'd encourage these players to stay where they are playing regularly and with other young English players who could be come country as well as club teammates - neither of you can see that though. Disappointed in the board. They could have said he's under contract and we want another season or two but they grabbed the money and ran. Fits in with the financial difficulty rubbish Kreuger spouted as soon as he arrived - gave a clue as to his priorities.[/p][/quote]HAHAHAHAHAHA here he goes again... nice work Seedhouse! You do make me laugh!! I think you need to lay off the booze or drugs ;) SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 1

2:50pm Fri 27 Jun 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
cotswoldsaint wrote:
Lallana heading to Liverpool today for a medical, according to Daily Telegraph website. Deal worth £25m, it claims. If true, all very sad.
Is he car sharing with Lovren?

To all those saying it's soooooooo much money we have to take it I say remember Shearer. A British record fee of £3.3m was soooooooo much money - until Blackburn sold him on to the Toons for £15m.
LMFAO

Keep 'em coming Seedhouse!! You are hilarious :)

Or delirious, maybe both?!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cotswoldsaint[/bold] wrote: Lallana heading to Liverpool today for a medical, according to Daily Telegraph website. Deal worth £25m, it claims. If true, all very sad.[/p][/quote]Is he car sharing with Lovren? To all those saying it's soooooooo much money we have to take it I say remember Shearer. A British record fee of £3.3m was soooooooo much money - until Blackburn sold him on to the Toons for £15m.[/p][/quote]LMFAO Keep 'em coming Seedhouse!! You are hilarious :) Or delirious, maybe both?! SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 1

2:55pm Fri 27 Jun 14

mrtein says...

When shaw was 16 he could have singed a contract with chelesea or man utd ( who wanted him then too) and all we would have got was a compenation amount for developing him. No transfer fee

By singning a 5 year contract he guaranteed saints a big pay day. i expect it was always the case they he would sing a 5 year deal but we would let hom go if certain clubs came in. Thanks to him we have £34m in our bqck pockets when it coul dhave been 1 or 2 if he really didnt look out for the club!
When shaw was 16 he could have singed a contract with chelesea or man utd ( who wanted him then too) and all we would have got was a compenation amount for developing him. No transfer fee By singning a 5 year contract he guaranteed saints a big pay day. i expect it was always the case they he would sing a 5 year deal but we would let hom go if certain clubs came in. Thanks to him we have £34m in our bqck pockets when it coul dhave been 1 or 2 if he really didnt look out for the club! mrtein
  • Score: 1

7:31pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Hey, Paul, you know what will have a bad long-term impact? Multi-millionaire footballers who are so greedy that they take money to write a column promoting a gambling website, which is where the above quotes are lifted from. Seriously, did United not pay you enough?
I stopped reading this thread after this, Retford. Why? Because I found Scholes's comments all a tad predictable and over simplifying the root causes of the problem. Whereas you sort of summed up very concisely what actually IS wrong with English football. Ta!
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Hey, Paul, you know what will have a bad long-term impact? Multi-millionaire footballers who are so greedy that they take money to write a column promoting a gambling website, which is where the above quotes are lifted from. Seriously, did United not pay you enough?[/p][/quote]I stopped reading this thread after this, Retford. Why? Because I found Scholes's comments all a tad predictable and over simplifying the root causes of the problem. Whereas you sort of summed up very concisely what actually IS wrong with English football. Ta! Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 1

8:43pm Fri 27 Jun 14

GHamilton says...

mrtein wrote:
When shaw was 16 he could have singed a contract with chelesea or man utd ( who wanted him then too) and all we would have got was a compenation amount for developing him. No transfer fee By singning a 5 year contract he guaranteed saints a big pay day. i expect it was always the case they he would sing a 5 year deal but we would let hom go if certain clubs came in. Thanks to him we have £34m in our bqck pockets when it coul dhave been 1 or 2 if he really didnt look out for the club!
No cant agree mrtein....by waiting he guarenteed himself a big pay day.....this kid has never given the club that nurtured him, looked after and advised him a second thought.
[quote][p][bold]mrtein[/bold] wrote: When shaw was 16 he could have singed a contract with chelesea or man utd ( who wanted him then too) and all we would have got was a compenation amount for developing him. No transfer fee By singning a 5 year contract he guaranteed saints a big pay day. i expect it was always the case they he would sing a 5 year deal but we would let hom go if certain clubs came in. Thanks to him we have £34m in our bqck pockets when it coul dhave been 1 or 2 if he really didnt look out for the club![/p][/quote]No cant agree mrtein....by waiting he guarenteed himself a big pay day.....this kid has never given the club that nurtured him, looked after and advised him a second thought. GHamilton
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1:52am Sat 28 Jun 14

deepheat says...

DAILY MAIL

Southampton hope to finalise the £8million transfer of Graziano Pelle from Feyenoord on Monday.

Sportsmail revealed Ronald Koeman’s interest and Saints will invest in the Italian who notched 26 goals last season.

Leicester have shown interest in Pelle but he wants to link up with former boss Koeman.

Pelle is 6ft 4ins yet mobile and would relish the chance to move to England. He is chasing wages of around £3million a year but may be willing to take a cut to get the right move.


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DAILY MAIL Southampton hope to finalise the £8million transfer of Graziano Pelle from Feyenoord on Monday. Sportsmail revealed Ronald Koeman’s interest and Saints will invest in the Italian who notched 26 goals last season. Leicester have shown interest in Pelle but he wants to link up with former boss Koeman. Pelle is 6ft 4ins yet mobile and would relish the chance to move to England. He is chasing wages of around £3million a year but may be willing to take a cut to get the right move. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/sport/footbal l/article-2672768/So uthampton-set-start- transfer-spree-secur ing-8million-Feyenoo rd-striker-Graziano- Pelle-Monday.html deepheat
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