Are player sales good news for Saints?

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Luke Shaw’s move to Manchester United and Adam Lallana’s to Liverpool is a reality check for Saints fans, but could still work out for the best.

Firstly, for the depressing news. Saints remain a selling club, because that is the reality of modern day football.

They did not need the money for Shaw or Lallana, but when a player these days says they want to leave and a big side desperately wants to sign them, they inevitably go.

It’s not a nice fact of football, but the contracts signed by players these days are virtually worthless.

It’s why, when you hear of a star player signing a new five-year deal, you should see it merely as a nice pay rise for them rather than a statement about their future at the club.

Saints’ place in the pecking order of football is underlined by these moves.

In the same way as when Saints were in League One it seemed perfectly logical that Rickie Lambert would want to leave Bristol Rovers to move to St Mary’s, even though the sides were in the same division, the same goes for Shaw to United and Lallana to Liverpool.

They are huge moves to genuinely massive clubs, worth a lot of money to them personally, and a chance to go on and try and win silverware.

We might well see the same thing happen with Dejan Lovren as well this summer. Certainly the wheels are in motion.

And now for the good news.

United have paid Saints a lot of money for the privilege of signing Shaw.

Liverpool are coughing up a reasonable fee too, but with the sell on clause to Bournemouth probably not as much as Saints fans would hope for their captain. In terms of Shaw, if you do not have limitless transfer funds then a club like Saints probably need three players in around the £10m bracket more than they need one £27m left back. Having a fantastic left back is nice, but not essential if you are Saints.

If you are competing for the title and to win the Champions League then you have to strive for the very best in every single position.

Saints can get away with merely a good left back, and they can cost probably £7m-£10m. And with Saints having Matt Targett waiting in the wings too, it leaves a lot of cash for reinvestment.

As for Lallana, that is arguably more of a blow.

Not only was he a leader as captain and probably the star player, but he also represented something about Saints as a whole. His departure does feel like the end of an era, even if most reasonable fans won’t begrudge him his chance at the big time after being with the club for 14 years. Les Reed has already said all funds from player sales will be spent on squad strengthening.

It will also be interesting to hear from Ronald Koeman, when he starts work properly next week, for his take on the whole situation. He must surely have been involved in the background of these deals.

In Saints’ defence, they have done the right thing.

It may not be very palatable to lose a bunch of star players, but if you are resigned to them leaving then moving them on sooner rather than later is always better. There was an acceptance at the club even in November and December last year that Shaw was likely to leave.

The conversations heading into the January transfer window behind the scenes at St Mary’s were all about convincing him to stay for the rest of the campaign before he moved in the summer.

Privately, there were few expectations of a stay extending beyond last season, such was the developing situation. Lallana’s move developed much later, but the player was just as decisive.

Saints would probably be wise to take a similar view this summer over Lovren, and any other player who wants out that badly.

Lovren has put in a formal transfer request, and few come back from that.

There is no point in the club procrastinating about it. As long as the deals are right then get on and get them sold if that is what is going to happen anyway, and give Koeman the maximum amount of time possible to reinvest the cash.

The last thing the club needs is to have these issues dragging on through pre-season – which begins next week don’t forget – and to miss out on potential targets.

There would be nothing worse than deals still ambling along the week before the start of the season, or, worse still, at the end of the transfer window.

If this is to be a summer of change and transition at St Mary’s then swift and decisive action needs to be taken, because the team cannot risk being destabilised by all this.

It is a sad reality of football that Saints are nearly always going to lose their best young players, but that’s the Premier League. You have to accept it for what it is or look elsewhere for your sporting fix.

But let’s be positive.

Koeman could end up with a war chest well in excess of £70m from player sales alone to reinvest, and that sounds a lot more exciting.

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9:07am Sat 28 Jun 14

J7junctionseven says...

Are you for real Leitch???
Let it go will you FFS
Are you for real Leitch??? Let it go will you FFS J7junctionseven
  • Score: -18

9:17am Sat 28 Jun 14

Southseachris says...

To me this seems a fair enough article. However the answer to the title question will not be known until we are well into the season and we can see how we are doing compared with last season.
Obviously it all comes down to how the income is invested.
To me this seems a fair enough article. However the answer to the title question will not be known until we are well into the season and we can see how we are doing compared with last season. Obviously it all comes down to how the income is invested. Southseachris
  • Score: 22

9:17am Sat 28 Jun 14

Dan Howard says...

For once I agree with everything Adam has said. Get the clear out done quickly and start again building rather than fighting a pointless rearguard action. But what most supporters will want to know is what are we building towards? What's the ambition for a well run selling club with a turnover less than £100m when the top four or five have at least three times that financial muscle and in the case of ManU, more than five times more.
For once I agree with everything Adam has said. Get the clear out done quickly and start again building rather than fighting a pointless rearguard action. But what most supporters will want to know is what are we building towards? What's the ambition for a well run selling club with a turnover less than £100m when the top four or five have at least three times that financial muscle and in the case of ManU, more than five times more. Dan Howard
  • Score: 14

9:24am Sat 28 Jun 14

Thankyounicola says...

Poor article. The reasoning and logic is poor. like an amateur writing an article.
The saints board are probably patting themselves in the back.
With not a single player in yet and other clubs aware of our sales. They will hike their prices too.
If ronald saints association does not work out then he will leave behind his legacy in the form of new signings.
Like Poch left his legacy behind in the form of osvaldo.
Poor article. The reasoning and logic is poor. like an amateur writing an article. The saints board are probably patting themselves in the back. With not a single player in yet and other clubs aware of our sales. They will hike their prices too. If ronald saints association does not work out then he will leave behind his legacy in the form of new signings. Like Poch left his legacy behind in the form of osvaldo. Thankyounicola
  • Score: -39

9:27am Sat 28 Jun 14

BracknellSaint says...

The cash in the bank for transfers sounds great...but what you are missing is that by selling our best players, a team that finished 8th last season, and was arguably a decent goalscorer/ poacher away from top 6 even, is now a less attractive proposition to big names who might potentially come in, because before the new season starts, we are already weaker than last year, meaning we will have to do alot just to get back to the same level, let alone pushing for a higher finish.
It also sends,out the message to all the other young lads that if they have one good season, they can genuinely start thinking of a move to a megabucks club the following year, rather than seeing Saints as a place to build a career.
The cash in the bank for transfers sounds great...but what you are missing is that by selling our best players, a team that finished 8th last season, and was arguably a decent goalscorer/ poacher away from top 6 even, is now a less attractive proposition to big names who might potentially come in, because before the new season starts, we are already weaker than last year, meaning we will have to do alot just to get back to the same level, let alone pushing for a higher finish. It also sends,out the message to all the other young lads that if they have one good season, they can genuinely start thinking of a move to a megabucks club the following year, rather than seeing Saints as a place to build a career. BracknellSaint
  • Score: 49

9:29am Sat 28 Jun 14

saintgibbo says...

Blimey Adam, it almost sounds as if you care..
It's true though, there are always going to be the attractions of brighter lights and we will have to build our way up the ladder by sacrificing a few big names.
As long as we keep making decent money on them and as long as the money is reinvested properly then it will make us stronger.
Looking forward to hearing of some encouraging signings
Blimey Adam, it almost sounds as if you care.. It's true though, there are always going to be the attractions of brighter lights and we will have to build our way up the ladder by sacrificing a few big names. As long as we keep making decent money on them and as long as the money is reinvested properly then it will make us stronger. Looking forward to hearing of some encouraging signings saintgibbo
  • Score: 7

9:30am Sat 28 Jun 14

costa gaz says...

Dan Howard wrote:
For once I agree with everything Adam has said. Get the clear out done quickly and start again building rather than fighting a pointless rearguard action. But what most supporters will want to know is what are we building towards? What's the ambition for a well run selling club with a turnover less than £100m when the top four or five have at least three times that financial muscle and in the case of ManU, more than five times more.
My worry is Dan, that what we have just had took 3/4 years to achieve, building gradually, a new player here, a new layer there. It was a gradual process and it paid dividends.


The situation we find ourselves in now is alien to us, new management team, new training methods , new board, new tactics, new players.
This will take time, but time is not something afforded to new managers... hopefully a new plan has been thought out and after a transition period we can start the road back to chasing the big boys again....
[quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: For once I agree with everything Adam has said. Get the clear out done quickly and start again building rather than fighting a pointless rearguard action. But what most supporters will want to know is what are we building towards? What's the ambition for a well run selling club with a turnover less than £100m when the top four or five have at least three times that financial muscle and in the case of ManU, more than five times more.[/p][/quote]My worry is Dan, that what we have just had took 3/4 years to achieve, building gradually, a new player here, a new layer there. It was a gradual process and it paid dividends. The situation we find ourselves in now is alien to us, new management team, new training methods , new board, new tactics, new players. This will take time, but time is not something afforded to new managers... hopefully a new plan has been thought out and after a transition period we can start the road back to chasing the big boys again.... costa gaz
  • Score: 11

9:30am Sat 28 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR.
The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 16

9:34am Sat 28 Jun 14

costa gaz says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR.
Actually Lallana was an excellent player and Shaw will become a great left back.... but you really knew that didn't you?
Next you'll be telling us that pochettino was a carp coach and will soon be on the managerial scrapheap.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR.[/p][/quote]Actually Lallana was an excellent player and Shaw will become a great left back.... but you really knew that didn't you? Next you'll be telling us that pochettino was a carp coach and will soon be on the managerial scrapheap. costa gaz
  • Score: 5

9:36am Sat 28 Jun 14

Blackknight says...

The sales of Shaw and Lallana et al are akin to the proverbial "curate's egg" which describes something that is at least partly bad, but has some arguably redeeming features,

Bad in the sense that Saints are loosing two top players. Good in the sense that it further proves Saints have a successful financial model based on the ability to develop young players through their academy and sell them for top dollar.

Clearly all us Saints fans want to keep our top talent and press on, but the harsh facts are under this regime 'it aint gonna happen' hence Nicola Cortese's and MoPo's exits.

Let's all hope that the transfer monies are reinvested wisely in not only in top quality replacements, but also some more talented youngsters that can be developed further.

As I have previously posted the last thing Saints fans want to see now is all the transfer money put into the Liebherr investment portfolio.
The sales of Shaw and Lallana et al are akin to the proverbial "curate's egg" which describes something that is at least partly bad, but has some arguably redeeming features, Bad in the sense that Saints are loosing two top players. Good in the sense that it further proves Saints have a successful financial model based on the ability to develop young players through their academy and sell them for top dollar. Clearly all us Saints fans want to keep our top talent and press on, but the harsh facts are under this regime 'it aint gonna happen' hence Nicola Cortese's and MoPo's exits. Let's all hope that the transfer monies are reinvested wisely in not only in top quality replacements, but also some more talented youngsters that can be developed further. As I have previously posted the last thing Saints fans want to see now is all the transfer money put into the Liebherr investment portfolio. Blackknight
  • Score: 9

9:37am Sat 28 Jun 14

midlandsaint says...

"Are player sales good news for Saints?"

Yes - If the cash is spent wisely bringing in players of quality who strengthen our squad in such a way that we consistently produce exciting attractive and above all winning performances on the pitch that inevitably results in an improved league position at the end of the season.

Otherwise Hell No they are not good news!
"Are player sales good news for Saints?" Yes - If the cash is spent wisely bringing in players of quality who strengthen our squad in such a way that we consistently produce exciting attractive and above all winning performances on the pitch that inevitably results in an improved league position at the end of the season. Otherwise Hell No they are not good news! midlandsaint
  • Score: 5

9:37am Sat 28 Jun 14

express_a_view says...

i) Losing good players is never good news.
ii) The Premier League is though a cartel where those who have played, or have recently played, Champions League football have fiscal resources that other teams, including Saints, cannot currently hope to compete with. Nor is throwing money around guaranteed success - look at Spurs to prove that point.
iii) It is though sad that when non cartel clubs get their players selected for England international duty that this seems to be a forum where the poaching of players begins. The FA ought to just ponder whether this is a message they want to give to teams who invest in developing English talent. It would be sad if a visit from the England manager to a smaller club was seen as little more than a harbinger of doom that another player was leaving the fold.
iv) As a club Saints have two things in their favour. An outstanding production line of talent and the capacity to spend accumulated fees on new players. It is imperative they retain the first and do the second.
v) In reality Saints have exceeded all expectations. No one could have dreamt that we would have gone so swiftly from Rochdale away to beating Liverpool at Anfield and being the "best of the rest."
vi) The crux is do the board see this as the end of the journey or the starting point of the next phase. In five years time are we going to be bumbling along as a mid table side (or worse) or a team with a serious pretence to the upper echelons of the Premier League. I think we have to aspire to the second.
vii) Finally, clear out those who are going swiftly. Retaining those who it is in our interest to retain - even if it means ruffling a few feathers. Then rebuild the squad around the immense talent we already have and get behind the Saints. COYR.
i) Losing good players is never good news. ii) The Premier League is though a cartel where those who have played, or have recently played, Champions League football have fiscal resources that other teams, including Saints, cannot currently hope to compete with. Nor is throwing money around guaranteed success - look at Spurs to prove that point. iii) It is though sad that when non cartel clubs get their players selected for England international duty that this seems to be a forum where the poaching of players begins. The FA ought to just ponder whether this is a message they want to give to teams who invest in developing English talent. It would be sad if a visit from the England manager to a smaller club was seen as little more than a harbinger of doom that another player was leaving the fold. iv) As a club Saints have two things in their favour. An outstanding production line of talent and the capacity to spend accumulated fees on new players. It is imperative they retain the first and do the second. v) In reality Saints have exceeded all expectations. No one could have dreamt that we would have gone so swiftly from Rochdale away to beating Liverpool at Anfield and being the "best of the rest." vi) The crux is do the board see this as the end of the journey or the starting point of the next phase. In five years time are we going to be bumbling along as a mid table side (or worse) or a team with a serious pretence to the upper echelons of the Premier League. I think we have to aspire to the second. vii) Finally, clear out those who are going swiftly. Retaining those who it is in our interest to retain - even if it means ruffling a few feathers. Then rebuild the squad around the immense talent we already have and get behind the Saints. COYR. express_a_view
  • Score: 26

9:38am Sat 28 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR.
Actually Lallana was an excellent player and Shaw will become a great left back.... but you really knew that didn't you?
Next you'll be telling us that pochettino was a carp coach and will soon be on the managerial scrapheap.
I will say it again for you an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR.[/p][/quote]Actually Lallana was an excellent player and Shaw will become a great left back.... but you really knew that didn't you? Next you'll be telling us that pochettino was a carp coach and will soon be on the managerial scrapheap.[/p][/quote]I will say it again for you an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 12

9:45am Sat 28 Jun 14

Abbey Saint says...

Contracts meaning nothing cuts both ways. Liverpool refused to let Suarez move last season even though bids were received in excess of his release clause and at the time he wanted to go. Saints are a very wealthy club. If they really wanted to retain players I believe they could have done so within financial fair play rules through a combination of skilful media manipulation, being forcefully clear with players involved and at the right moment, making a meaningful but not ruinous increased contract. Saints have chosen an exactly opposite path and I wonder at that. Lots of money to buy lots of players doesn't equal success - ask Spurs Norwich Sunderland etc. We developed a fantastic TEAM over the last few seasons. We should be moving mountains to
try and keeps its heart and soul in place, not going toes up at the first opportunity just to bank some cash.
Contracts meaning nothing cuts both ways. Liverpool refused to let Suarez move last season even though bids were received in excess of his release clause and at the time he wanted to go. Saints are a very wealthy club. If they really wanted to retain players I believe they could have done so within financial fair play rules through a combination of skilful media manipulation, being forcefully clear with players involved and at the right moment, making a meaningful but not ruinous increased contract. Saints have chosen an exactly opposite path and I wonder at that. Lots of money to buy lots of players doesn't equal success - ask Spurs Norwich Sunderland etc. We developed a fantastic TEAM over the last few seasons. We should be moving mountains to try and keeps its heart and soul in place, not going toes up at the first opportunity just to bank some cash. Abbey Saint
  • Score: 19

9:48am Sat 28 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR.
Actually Lallana was an excellent player and Shaw will become a great left back.... but you really knew that didn't you?
Next you'll be telling us that pochettino was a carp coach and will soon be on the managerial scrapheap.
I will say it again for you an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA.
So you never sang the Adam song then
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR.[/p][/quote]Actually Lallana was an excellent player and Shaw will become a great left back.... but you really knew that didn't you? Next you'll be telling us that pochettino was a carp coach and will soon be on the managerial scrapheap.[/p][/quote]I will say it again for you an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA.[/p][/quote]So you never sang the Adam song then Folkestone Saint
  • Score: -3

9:57am Sat 28 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR.
Actually Lallana was an excellent player and Shaw will become a great left back.... but you really knew that didn't you?
Next you'll be telling us that pochettino was a carp coach and will soon be on the managerial scrapheap.
I will say it again for you an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA.
So you never sang the Adam song then
No can't sing.
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR.[/p][/quote]Actually Lallana was an excellent player and Shaw will become a great left back.... but you really knew that didn't you? Next you'll be telling us that pochettino was a carp coach and will soon be on the managerial scrapheap.[/p][/quote]I will say it again for you an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA.[/p][/quote]So you never sang the Adam song then[/p][/quote]No can't sing. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 3

9:58am Sat 28 Jun 14

Rednose says...

Good article. I filtered the negative start, mainly because I so fed up with hearing it. Sad a it may sound the World Cup was spoiled by all the transfer speculation that, like a month to the flame, I couldn't stop myself from reading. Such along time since us Saints fans could get set to cheer our boys on in their boyhood dream, only to have the fact that they're not our players any more rammed down our throats at any given moment. Still even that now pales into insignificance when after two lack luster performance, under lined by a third. The young lions should have ROARD, telling Europe what to expect in two years. Bot no instead it was a scorned limp away with a quiet meow. So enough of all that and concentrate on the positives, thanks for that Adam. The king are dead long live the king. RK comes in to a great traditional club with a bright new future, cutting edge in technology, state of the art training facilities, proven youth policy and a very good transfer chest. Ok some of our good players are leaving, good luck to them. But this isn't comparable to real life major surgery, so the old spine can be replaced and while RK is at it, perhaps a new heart, a strong right arm and a new ram rod up front (You can make your own minds up on what body part that can be). If RK is the Manager we think he is, I have no doubt that out with the old and in with the new will be nothing but good for Southampton FC and us fans. COYR get behind the new and soon to be improved Southampton F.C.
Good article. I filtered the negative start, mainly because I so fed up with hearing it. Sad a it may sound the World Cup was spoiled by all the transfer speculation that, like a month to the flame, I couldn't stop myself from reading. Such along time since us Saints fans could get set to cheer our boys on in their boyhood dream, only to have the fact that they're not our players any more rammed down our throats at any given moment. Still even that now pales into insignificance when after two lack luster performance, under lined by a third. The young lions should have ROARD, telling Europe what to expect in two years. Bot no instead it was a scorned limp away with a quiet meow. So enough of all that and concentrate on the positives, thanks for that Adam. The king are dead long live the king. RK comes in to a great traditional club with a bright new future, cutting edge in technology, state of the art training facilities, proven youth policy and a very good transfer chest. Ok some of our good players are leaving, good luck to them. But this isn't comparable to real life major surgery, so the old spine can be replaced and while RK is at it, perhaps a new heart, a strong right arm and a new ram rod up front (You can make your own minds up on what body part that can be). If RK is the Manager we think he is, I have no doubt that out with the old and in with the new will be nothing but good for Southampton FC and us fans. COYR get behind the new and soon to be improved Southampton F.C. Rednose
  • Score: 18

9:58am Sat 28 Jun 14

warrens 76 says...

God only knows what Lovren, Wanyama and heaven forbid Spider are now thinking!

Koeman is not a miricle worker, could he have improved last seasons team? undoubtedly, indeed for all our possession scoring ratio was appalling, yet that is not what he is going to be doing, in short he is going to have to build a new team in 7 weeks from scratch if we are not careful…..

The ineptness of the board from the initial 'finacially awkward ' statement, to talking about product not football, the failure to convince MoPo and ANY of his staff of the vision indictaes there is not one other than to sell the club.

When a club has gone massively into debt ie Leeds, portsmuff and Chelsea (who only survived because of Abromovich) to buy success then the inevitable fall is to be expected…..

…this is not SFC no-one has ever gone so far since the premiership started and reaped such a return on investment, this is a huge cluster ufck….

As events unfold I am becoming ever more concerned...
God only knows what Lovren, Wanyama and heaven forbid Spider are now thinking! Koeman is not a miricle worker, could he have improved last seasons team? undoubtedly, indeed for all our possession scoring ratio was appalling, yet that is not what he is going to be doing, in short he is going to have to build a new team in 7 weeks from scratch if we are not careful….. The ineptness of the board from the initial 'finacially awkward ' statement, to talking about product not football, the failure to convince MoPo and ANY of his staff of the vision indictaes there is not one other than to sell the club. When a club has gone massively into debt ie Leeds, portsmuff and Chelsea (who only survived because of Abromovich) to buy success then the inevitable fall is to be expected….. …this is not SFC no-one has ever gone so far since the premiership started and reaped such a return on investment, this is a huge cluster ufck…. As events unfold I am becoming ever more concerned... warrens 76
  • Score: 10

10:02am Sat 28 Jun 14

Saintade says...

A few comments: Maybe our new manager should have got his arse on his seat a little bit earlier instead of swanning around on a beach, and maybe he could have done something about this? What sticks in the throat for me is the lying Chairman who has come out to the press several times stating we will not sell our players...yet here we are. So that was a con just to get them through the season ticket purchasing process. So don't believe a thing they tell you...reinvest all the money in the squad? I'll bet my mortgage right now that if you do the sums at Christmas we won't have spent even half what we have gained. One final point, your comment "because the team cannot risk being destabilised by all this" - er, I would suggest that the team has already been destablised, having 3 of it's game-changing players leave already!
A few comments: Maybe our new manager should have got his arse on his seat a little bit earlier instead of swanning around on a beach, and maybe he could have done something about this? What sticks in the throat for me is the lying Chairman who has come out to the press several times stating we will not sell our players...yet here we are. So that was a con just to get them through the season ticket purchasing process. So don't believe a thing they tell you...reinvest all the money in the squad? I'll bet my mortgage right now that if you do the sums at Christmas we won't have spent even half what we have gained. One final point, your comment "because the team cannot risk being destabilised by all this" - er, I would suggest that the team has already been destablised, having 3 of it's game-changing players leave already! Saintade
  • Score: 8

10:08am Sat 28 Jun 14

promised land says...

Yesterday Southampton FC sent an email informing me, new and exciting merchandise are to be released soon from the club shop. And it's top secret. This got me thinking as to what line they will be producing ?..........maybe a T Shirt. Proclaiming all the players who have renegaded on there contracts. Entitled; "The Desserters" ? I will leave it up to you who should be on it ? But if we are to believe the media, the shirt will have to be in XXXL.
Yesterday Southampton FC sent an email informing me, new and exciting merchandise are to be released soon from the club shop. And it's top secret. This got me thinking as to what line they will be producing ?..........maybe a T Shirt. Proclaiming all the players who have renegaded on there contracts. Entitled; "The Desserters" ? I will leave it up to you who should be on it ? But if we are to believe the media, the shirt will have to be in XXXL. promised land
  • Score: 8

10:09am Sat 28 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

Abbey Saint wrote:
Contracts meaning nothing cuts both ways. Liverpool refused to let Suarez move last season even though bids were received in excess of his release clause and at the time he wanted to go. Saints are a very wealthy club. If they really wanted to retain players I believe they could have done so within financial fair play rules through a combination of skilful media manipulation, being forcefully clear with players involved and at the right moment, making a meaningful but not ruinous increased contract. Saints have chosen an exactly opposite path and I wonder at that. Lots of money to buy lots of players doesn't equal success - ask Spurs Norwich Sunderland etc. We developed a fantastic TEAM over the last few seasons. We should be moving mountains to
try and keeps its heart and soul in place, not going toes up at the first opportunity just to bank some cash.
The problem is SAINTS do not pay big wages so players who have no loyalty to the club like the fans will always be tempted to move on when they are offered a bigger pay cheque. The agents do everything they can to make it happen so they get a nice pay cheque as well, it is all about the money.
[quote][p][bold]Abbey Saint[/bold] wrote: Contracts meaning nothing cuts both ways. Liverpool refused to let Suarez move last season even though bids were received in excess of his release clause and at the time he wanted to go. Saints are a very wealthy club. If they really wanted to retain players I believe they could have done so within financial fair play rules through a combination of skilful media manipulation, being forcefully clear with players involved and at the right moment, making a meaningful but not ruinous increased contract. Saints have chosen an exactly opposite path and I wonder at that. Lots of money to buy lots of players doesn't equal success - ask Spurs Norwich Sunderland etc. We developed a fantastic TEAM over the last few seasons. We should be moving mountains to try and keeps its heart and soul in place, not going toes up at the first opportunity just to bank some cash.[/p][/quote]The problem is SAINTS do not pay big wages so players who have no loyalty to the club like the fans will always be tempted to move on when they are offered a bigger pay cheque. The agents do everything they can to make it happen so they get a nice pay cheque as well, it is all about the money. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 18

10:12am Sat 28 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

Saintade wrote:
A few comments: Maybe our new manager should have got his arse on his seat a little bit earlier instead of swanning around on a beach, and maybe he could have done something about this? What sticks in the throat for me is the lying Chairman who has come out to the press several times stating we will not sell our players...yet here we are. So that was a con just to get them through the season ticket purchasing process. So don't believe a thing they tell you...reinvest all the money in the squad? I'll bet my mortgage right now that if you do the sums at Christmas we won't have spent even half what we have gained. One final point, your comment "because the team cannot risk being destabilised by all this" - er, I would suggest that the team has already been destablised, having 3 of it's game-changing players leave already!
How do you know he is swanning around on a beach, he might be in Europe talking to potential transfer targets.
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: A few comments: Maybe our new manager should have got his arse on his seat a little bit earlier instead of swanning around on a beach, and maybe he could have done something about this? What sticks in the throat for me is the lying Chairman who has come out to the press several times stating we will not sell our players...yet here we are. So that was a con just to get them through the season ticket purchasing process. So don't believe a thing they tell you...reinvest all the money in the squad? I'll bet my mortgage right now that if you do the sums at Christmas we won't have spent even half what we have gained. One final point, your comment "because the team cannot risk being destabilised by all this" - er, I would suggest that the team has already been destablised, having 3 of it's game-changing players leave already![/p][/quote]How do you know he is swanning around on a beach, he might be in Europe talking to potential transfer targets. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 6

10:15am Sat 28 Jun 14

D4n1el says...

Bit of a new poster on here but regularly read comments...
In my opinion if we can get say Pelle, Ings and Kolodziejczak with the money we sold Shaw from then I think that's great business for us. Lallana however will be difficult to replace, especially for the small amount we're apparently getting for him. However, as the article says if players want to go they can't really be stopped and we only want players that want to be here anyway. I believe that Koeman will bring in suitable replacements for any players that leave and add to the squad. Hopefully we'll start signing players Monday instead of selling.
Bit of a new poster on here but regularly read comments... In my opinion if we can get say Pelle, Ings and Kolodziejczak with the money we sold Shaw from then I think that's great business for us. Lallana however will be difficult to replace, especially for the small amount we're apparently getting for him. However, as the article says if players want to go they can't really be stopped and we only want players that want to be here anyway. I believe that Koeman will bring in suitable replacements for any players that leave and add to the squad. Hopefully we'll start signing players Monday instead of selling. D4n1el
  • Score: 15

10:16am Sat 28 Jun 14

espanuel says...

Saintade wrote:
A few comments: Maybe our new manager should have got his arse on his seat a little bit earlier instead of swanning around on a beach, and maybe he could have done something about this? What sticks in the throat for me is the lying Chairman who has come out to the press several times stating we will not sell our players...yet here we are. So that was a con just to get them through the season ticket purchasing process. So don't believe a thing they tell you...reinvest all the money in the squad? I'll bet my mortgage right now that if you do the sums at Christmas we won't have spent even half what we have gained. One final point, your comment "because the team cannot risk being destabilised by all this" - er, I would suggest that the team has already been destablised, having 3 of it's game-changing players leave already!
My personal opinion is that credibility has gone out of the window with players leaving the club and the management letting it happen. Just one more season to stabilise the club would have been excellent, especially with a new manager. I think SFC are going to struggle next season, I hope I'm proved wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: A few comments: Maybe our new manager should have got his arse on his seat a little bit earlier instead of swanning around on a beach, and maybe he could have done something about this? What sticks in the throat for me is the lying Chairman who has come out to the press several times stating we will not sell our players...yet here we are. So that was a con just to get them through the season ticket purchasing process. So don't believe a thing they tell you...reinvest all the money in the squad? I'll bet my mortgage right now that if you do the sums at Christmas we won't have spent even half what we have gained. One final point, your comment "because the team cannot risk being destabilised by all this" - er, I would suggest that the team has already been destablised, having 3 of it's game-changing players leave already![/p][/quote]My personal opinion is that credibility has gone out of the window with players leaving the club and the management letting it happen. Just one more season to stabilise the club would have been excellent, especially with a new manager. I think SFC are going to struggle next season, I hope I'm proved wrong. espanuel
  • Score: 10

10:23am Sat 28 Jun 14

Saint Jinx says...

Saintade wrote:
A few comments: Maybe our new manager should have got his arse on his seat a little bit earlier instead of swanning around on a beach, and maybe he could have done something about this? What sticks in the throat for me is the lying Chairman who has come out to the press several times stating we will not sell our players...yet here we are. So that was a con just to get them through the season ticket purchasing process. So don't believe a thing they tell you...reinvest all the money in the squad? I'll bet my mortgage right now that if you do the sums at Christmas we won't have spent even half what we have gained. One final point, your comment "because the team cannot risk being destabilised by all this" - er, I would suggest that the team has already been destablised, having 3 of it's game-changing players leave already!
I agree with this and all those who criticise these sales and the mindset of some players.

I honestly believe that the FA (f.....g ar..h...s) and football in general should have a long hard look at itself and the ethics of modern day football. Can anyone honestly put their hands on their hearts and say this is good for football. This has shattered the dreams of many - the Saints kids who have set their heart on getting into the Champions league and ditto for us older fans and ditto for many neutral fans and ditto for the honest players who bought into the dream.

The FA should impose limitations on the number of players a club can sell and INSIST on players' contracts being honoured. We could have had a situation where 5 of our first team suddenly shifted to the scousers. Is that honestly the way things should be. I am glad I had a fantastic day in France yesterday because it meant a shock like this today can't knock me for 6.
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[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: A few comments: Maybe our new manager should have got his arse on his seat a little bit earlier instead of swanning around on a beach, and maybe he could have done something about this? What sticks in the throat for me is the lying Chairman who has come out to the press several times stating we will not sell our players...yet here we are. So that was a con just to get them through the season ticket purchasing process. So don't believe a thing they tell you...reinvest all the money in the squad? I'll bet my mortgage right now that if you do the sums at Christmas we won't have spent even half what we have gained. One final point, your comment "because the team cannot risk being destabilised by all this" - er, I would suggest that the team has already been destablised, having 3 of it's game-changing players leave already![/p][/quote]I agree with this and all those who criticise these sales and the mindset of some players. I honestly believe that the FA (f.....g ar..h...s) and football in general should have a long hard look at itself and the ethics of modern day football. Can anyone honestly put their hands on their hearts and say this is good for football. This has shattered the dreams of many - the Saints kids who have set their heart on getting into the Champions league and ditto for us older fans and ditto for many neutral fans and ditto for the honest players who bought into the dream. The FA should impose limitations on the number of players a club can sell and INSIST on players' contracts being honoured. We could have had a situation where 5 of our first team suddenly shifted to the scousers. Is that honestly the way things should be. I am glad I had a fantastic day in France yesterday because it meant a shock like this today can't knock me for 6. . Saint Jinx
  • Score: 10

10:24am Sat 28 Jun 14

george chivers says...

costa gaz wrote:
Dan Howard wrote:
For once I agree with everything Adam has said. Get the clear out done quickly and start again building rather than fighting a pointless rearguard action. But what most supporters will want to know is what are we building towards? What's the ambition for a well run selling club with a turnover less than £100m when the top four or five have at least three times that financial muscle and in the case of ManU, more than five times more.
My worry is Dan, that what we have just had took 3/4 years to achieve, building gradually, a new player here, a new layer there. It was a gradual process and it paid dividends.


The situation we find ourselves in now is alien to us, new management team, new training methods , new board, new tactics, new players.
This will take time, but time is not something afforded to new managers... hopefully a new plan has been thought out and after a transition period we can start the road back to chasing the big boys again....
I think you are both spot on. Sadly the truth is we have been an unstable club since the days of Lawrie Mac and I think we will continue down that road of peaks and troughs as many smaller regional clubs will.

To add to your list Costa what really worries me is the loss of three academy coaches. Jason Dodd, Paul Williams and Graeme Murty. If there is one part of the club that needs to remain stable it's the academy. If we don't keep producing quality kids there will be more troughs than peaks.

STID
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: For once I agree with everything Adam has said. Get the clear out done quickly and start again building rather than fighting a pointless rearguard action. But what most supporters will want to know is what are we building towards? What's the ambition for a well run selling club with a turnover less than £100m when the top four or five have at least three times that financial muscle and in the case of ManU, more than five times more.[/p][/quote]My worry is Dan, that what we have just had took 3/4 years to achieve, building gradually, a new player here, a new layer there. It was a gradual process and it paid dividends. The situation we find ourselves in now is alien to us, new management team, new training methods , new board, new tactics, new players. This will take time, but time is not something afforded to new managers... hopefully a new plan has been thought out and after a transition period we can start the road back to chasing the big boys again....[/p][/quote]I think you are both spot on. Sadly the truth is we have been an unstable club since the days of Lawrie Mac and I think we will continue down that road of peaks and troughs as many smaller regional clubs will. To add to your list Costa what really worries me is the loss of three academy coaches. Jason Dodd, Paul Williams and Graeme Murty. If there is one part of the club that needs to remain stable it's the academy. If we don't keep producing quality kids there will be more troughs than peaks. STID george chivers
  • Score: 7

10:35am Sat 28 Jun 14

montecristosaint says...

Katarina Liebherr has been a disaster for Southampton. Her father would not be pleased. She just does not believe in her father s vision, and her one aim is to sell all of our bestplayers, cash in , sell the club and more on. It has been as clear as daylight since January and Cortese s departure, who I suspect must be extremely distressed that these events are happening. By the end of the transfer window the whole of Sants first team will have moved on , pretty much . Not one person of any value has come out in support of Liebherr, instead they have simply walked. We are in for a very tough time, because I very much doubt that much will be re invested, excuses will be made, and the club will be sold before September. I simply cant see the woman attending matches come the new season, she would get one hell of a negative reception if she does. Total betrayal of the club and the fans in my opinion. I can only hope that someone comes in and buys the club soon or we could be looking relegation in the face.
Katarina Liebherr has been a disaster for Southampton. Her father would not be pleased. She just does not believe in her father s vision, and her one aim is to sell all of our bestplayers, cash in , sell the club and more on. It has been as clear as daylight since January and Cortese s departure, who I suspect must be extremely distressed that these events are happening. By the end of the transfer window the whole of Sants first team will have moved on , pretty much . Not one person of any value has come out in support of Liebherr, instead they have simply walked. We are in for a very tough time, because I very much doubt that much will be re invested, excuses will be made, and the club will be sold before September. I simply cant see the woman attending matches come the new season, she would get one hell of a negative reception if she does. Total betrayal of the club and the fans in my opinion. I can only hope that someone comes in and buys the club soon or we could be looking relegation in the face. montecristosaint
  • Score: -14

10:38am Sat 28 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

POSTIVELY .... let me get this Right ...

KING RON KOEMAN was promised a £50 MILLION WAR CHEST.

We now have £100 MILLION to Spend and can emulate Spurs and be challenging for a EUROPEAN SPOT with an eye on the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE.

LONG LIVE KING RON. COYR
POSTIVELY .... let me get this Right ... KING RON KOEMAN was promised a £50 MILLION WAR CHEST. We now have £100 MILLION to Spend and can emulate Spurs and be challenging for a EUROPEAN SPOT with an eye on the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE. LONG LIVE KING RON. COYR The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 13

10:41am Sat 28 Jun 14

Jon Forte says...

Unfortunately though you can't buy team spirit. Just look at Totenham!
Unfortunately though you can't buy team spirit. Just look at Totenham! Jon Forte
  • Score: 10

10:49am Sat 28 Jun 14

montecristosaint says...

express_a_view wrote:
i) Losing good players is never good news.
ii) The Premier League is though a cartel where those who have played, or have recently played, Champions League football have fiscal resources that other teams, including Saints, cannot currently hope to compete with. Nor is throwing money around guaranteed success - look at Spurs to prove that point.
iii) It is though sad that when non cartel clubs get their players selected for England international duty that this seems to be a forum where the poaching of players begins. The FA ought to just ponder whether this is a message they want to give to teams who invest in developing English talent. It would be sad if a visit from the England manager to a smaller club was seen as little more than a harbinger of doom that another player was leaving the fold.
iv) As a club Saints have two things in their favour. An outstanding production line of talent and the capacity to spend accumulated fees on new players. It is imperative they retain the first and do the second.
v) In reality Saints have exceeded all expectations. No one could have dreamt that we would have gone so swiftly from Rochdale away to beating Liverpool at Anfield and being the "best of the rest."
vi) The crux is do the board see this as the end of the journey or the starting point of the next phase. In five years time are we going to be bumbling along as a mid table side (or worse) or a team with a serious pretence to the upper echelons of the Premier League. I think we have to aspire to the second.
vii) Finally, clear out those who are going swiftly. Retaining those who it is in our interest to retain - even if it means ruffling a few feathers. Then rebuild the squad around the immense talent we already have and get behind the Saints. COYR.
Lets get something very clear. Miss Liebherr inherited the club from her father, and if she had one ounce of her father commitment Cortese would not have walked. Nor would Pochettino. All that has transpired since, and is now happening is due to her lack of commitment to her father s project. It s that simple. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply dreaming.
Liebherr recruited a couple of yes men, and in the case of Krueger someone who had no knowledge of football but who could be relied upon to soft soap the fans to avoid major repercussions including protests at the decisions taken by the club. All we have had is soundbites, and the reality has yet to dawn upon most Saints fans. We are in trouble, yet again. The whole of the first team , pretty much will be sold and we will be left with the academy and cheap imports to make up the numbers.
There will be no marquee signings whatever, and the club will look to recruit as cheaply as possible. Expect Bendtner to be the first of these next week.
I am looking to see through middle east contacts whether Liebherr is actively looking for a buyer for the club, my guess she is or is about to.
[quote][p][bold]express_a_view[/bold] wrote: i) Losing good players is never good news. ii) The Premier League is though a cartel where those who have played, or have recently played, Champions League football have fiscal resources that other teams, including Saints, cannot currently hope to compete with. Nor is throwing money around guaranteed success - look at Spurs to prove that point. iii) It is though sad that when non cartel clubs get their players selected for England international duty that this seems to be a forum where the poaching of players begins. The FA ought to just ponder whether this is a message they want to give to teams who invest in developing English talent. It would be sad if a visit from the England manager to a smaller club was seen as little more than a harbinger of doom that another player was leaving the fold. iv) As a club Saints have two things in their favour. An outstanding production line of talent and the capacity to spend accumulated fees on new players. It is imperative they retain the first and do the second. v) In reality Saints have exceeded all expectations. No one could have dreamt that we would have gone so swiftly from Rochdale away to beating Liverpool at Anfield and being the "best of the rest." vi) The crux is do the board see this as the end of the journey or the starting point of the next phase. In five years time are we going to be bumbling along as a mid table side (or worse) or a team with a serious pretence to the upper echelons of the Premier League. I think we have to aspire to the second. vii) Finally, clear out those who are going swiftly. Retaining those who it is in our interest to retain - even if it means ruffling a few feathers. Then rebuild the squad around the immense talent we already have and get behind the Saints. COYR.[/p][/quote]Lets get something very clear. Miss Liebherr inherited the club from her father, and if she had one ounce of her father commitment Cortese would not have walked. Nor would Pochettino. All that has transpired since, and is now happening is due to her lack of commitment to her father s project. It s that simple. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply dreaming. Liebherr recruited a couple of yes men, and in the case of Krueger someone who had no knowledge of football but who could be relied upon to soft soap the fans to avoid major repercussions including protests at the decisions taken by the club. All we have had is soundbites, and the reality has yet to dawn upon most Saints fans. We are in trouble, yet again. The whole of the first team , pretty much will be sold and we will be left with the academy and cheap imports to make up the numbers. There will be no marquee signings whatever, and the club will look to recruit as cheaply as possible. Expect Bendtner to be the first of these next week. I am looking to see through middle east contacts whether Liebherr is actively looking for a buyer for the club, my guess she is or is about to. montecristosaint
  • Score: -8

10:49am Sat 28 Jun 14

xilos1 says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR.
Actually Lallana was an excellent player and Shaw will become a great left back.... but you really knew that didn't you?
Next you'll be telling us that pochettino was a carp coach and will soon be on the managerial scrapheap.
I will say it again for you an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA.
I guess this means your happy that they are going. By the way what is a poney?
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR.[/p][/quote]Actually Lallana was an excellent player and Shaw will become a great left back.... but you really knew that didn't you? Next you'll be telling us that pochettino was a carp coach and will soon be on the managerial scrapheap.[/p][/quote]I will say it again for you an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA.[/p][/quote]I guess this means your happy that they are going. By the way what is a poney? xilos1
  • Score: 2

10:49am Sat 28 Jun 14

redsnapper says...

Just look how Spurs wasted the Bale money. Fact- we have lost 3 and when Lovren goes 4 automatic choices for the first team, and not just choices but of these guys 3 could be classified as leaders.

Replacing this asset loss will not be easy, Artur will be rattled, Morgan will be thinking, Jay is unfit....let's not expect a relegation battle but unless Ronald really cracks it will be a much tougher season than last.....still there is always Osvaldo,,,,


I hope like Bournemouth we have some sell on fees written into Luke's deal.
Just look how Spurs wasted the Bale money. Fact- we have lost 3 and when Lovren goes 4 automatic choices for the first team, and not just choices but of these guys 3 could be classified as leaders. Replacing this asset loss will not be easy, Artur will be rattled, Morgan will be thinking, Jay is unfit....let's not expect a relegation battle but unless Ronald really cracks it will be a much tougher season than last.....still there is always Osvaldo,,,, I hope like Bournemouth we have some sell on fees written into Luke's deal. redsnapper
  • Score: 3

10:51am Sat 28 Jun 14

bullsbags says...

This is becoming a joke,according to the sun Morgan is next
The board need to grow a pair and say enough is enough
I'm not interested in the no point in keeping a player if he's not happy brigade
99% of people would be more than happy earning in a year what the overpaid tossers playing in the premier league earn in a week
It's a shame st Mary's is not used by a decent premiership rugby club a game that is played by decent honourable blokes
This is becoming a joke,according to the sun Morgan is next The board need to grow a pair and say enough is enough I'm not interested in the no point in keeping a player if he's not happy brigade 99% of people would be more than happy earning in a year what the overpaid tossers playing in the premier league earn in a week It's a shame st Mary's is not used by a decent premiership rugby club a game that is played by decent honourable blokes bullsbags
  • Score: 8

10:53am Sat 28 Jun 14

milton road says...

Two weeks ago Koeman came back from holiday and went to stay for a few days with family in Portugal. he officially starts work on Monday but unofficially I would imagine he has been involved in all this. Saints promised Koeman a war chest plus the sales of players money so unless we have been lied to that should be at least around 80 million in total now. Shaw will be a great left back, maybe even midfield player. Adam was in the limelight here, when he goes to :Liverpool he will be a small fish in a big pool, he will struggle to make the first team. He will watch much of the season from the bench He may well regret leaving us.
The link we feel with Adam especially is the hard times we came through together. He was iconic as was RL in our rise through the divisions, we were always led to believe that Saints were the only club he wanted to play for. So his going is a hard blow to take, he was a good midfield player and got publicity because he was English. Yet he is not a great midfield player. The reality to that is he was Saints most subbed player last season. The truth is we can do better than Adam Lallana, whether a popular view or not.
It is right we feel cheated by events that started with Cortese going and continued form there. We do need signings and quality ones now to stop the growing unrest in fans and players. With the money we are capable of building a better squad than last season. one that may take time to settle but will in the long run takes us closer to the goal we set to achieve.
We are told Lovren will go which is a blow, especially as a couple of weeks before he handed in a transfer request, he had wanted to stay at Saints. There is definitely mischievous fingers involved in destabilizing.
Saints.
Maybe what has happened will lead saints to be becoming a bigger club, yet the cost has been in high. No club can guarantee keeping quality players not even the top ones in this country. If Suarez leaves Liverpool which seems a growing likliehood, then Liverpool can say goodbye to the league. It was not lost on fans that Sturridge did not look the same without Suarez alongside but Suarez looked as good as ever despite his antics and injury..
yes we are in unknown waters but ones that can take us further, if we make the right moves.
Two weeks ago Koeman came back from holiday and went to stay for a few days with family in Portugal. he officially starts work on Monday but unofficially I would imagine he has been involved in all this. Saints promised Koeman a war chest plus the sales of players money so unless we have been lied to that should be at least around 80 million in total now. Shaw will be a great left back, maybe even midfield player. Adam was in the limelight here, when he goes to :Liverpool he will be a small fish in a big pool, he will struggle to make the first team. He will watch much of the season from the bench He may well regret leaving us. The link we feel with Adam especially is the hard times we came through together. He was iconic as was RL in our rise through the divisions, we were always led to believe that Saints were the only club he wanted to play for. So his going is a hard blow to take, he was a good midfield player and got publicity because he was English. Yet he is not a great midfield player. The reality to that is he was Saints most subbed player last season. The truth is we can do better than Adam Lallana, whether a popular view or not. It is right we feel cheated by events that started with Cortese going and continued form there. We do need signings and quality ones now to stop the growing unrest in fans and players. With the money we are capable of building a better squad than last season. one that may take time to settle but will in the long run takes us closer to the goal we set to achieve. We are told Lovren will go which is a blow, especially as a couple of weeks before he handed in a transfer request, he had wanted to stay at Saints. There is definitely mischievous fingers involved in destabilizing. Saints. Maybe what has happened will lead saints to be becoming a bigger club, yet the cost has been in high. No club can guarantee keeping quality players not even the top ones in this country. If Suarez leaves Liverpool which seems a growing likliehood, then Liverpool can say goodbye to the league. It was not lost on fans that Sturridge did not look the same without Suarez alongside but Suarez looked as good as ever despite his antics and injury.. yes we are in unknown waters but ones that can take us further, if we make the right moves. milton road
  • Score: 19

10:59am Sat 28 Jun 14

Puddletown Saint says...

I have so much to say and want to talk Saints all day.
But here is my honest opinion. Some may not like it but I believe it is reality.
We are a selling club and until the rules change (FFP is rubbish) we will always be just because we are a small mid table club not based in the North West North East or London.
Shaw much like Oxo is selfish spoilt teenage git. A good player who has potential which like Wayne Bridge may go to waste on the ManUre bench.
Adam deserves his move but again is a good player who has reached his ceiling. For once Clutterbrain was right, LaLa has changed since he played for England. Bench again when Gnasher is back.
SRL, was an icon. Pleased for him but only had one season left. Enjoy the Cups Rickie.
MoPo was a one trick pony. Top managers found him out. Hope we finish above Spuds next season.

Spider for captain next season. Hope TinTin keeps the nucleus of English players with a sprinkle of Dutch magic. Mid table with a good cup run.
I support the club and will forever regardless of the players manager or owner.
Come On You Saints
I have so much to say and want to talk Saints all day. But here is my honest opinion. Some may not like it but I believe it is reality. We are a selling club and until the rules change (FFP is rubbish) we will always be just because we are a small mid table club not based in the North West North East or London. Shaw much like Oxo is selfish spoilt teenage git. A good player who has potential which like Wayne Bridge may go to waste on the ManUre bench. Adam deserves his move but again is a good player who has reached his ceiling. For once Clutterbrain was right, LaLa has changed since he played for England. Bench again when Gnasher is back. SRL, was an icon. Pleased for him but only had one season left. Enjoy the Cups Rickie. MoPo was a one trick pony. Top managers found him out. Hope we finish above Spuds next season. Spider for captain next season. Hope TinTin keeps the nucleus of English players with a sprinkle of Dutch magic. Mid table with a good cup run. I support the club and will forever regardless of the players manager or owner. Come On You Saints Puddletown Saint
  • Score: 31

11:00am Sat 28 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

xilos1 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR.
Actually Lallana was an excellent player and Shaw will become a great left back.... but you really knew that didn't you?
Next you'll be telling us that pochettino was a carp coach and will soon be on the managerial scrapheap.
I will say it again for you an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA.
I guess this means your happy that they are going. By the way what is a poney?
Not really worried they are only overpaid football players with no loyalty to the club, so what is the big deal, life goes on.
[quote][p][bold]xilos1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR.[/p][/quote]Actually Lallana was an excellent player and Shaw will become a great left back.... but you really knew that didn't you? Next you'll be telling us that pochettino was a carp coach and will soon be on the managerial scrapheap.[/p][/quote]I will say it again for you an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA.[/p][/quote]I guess this means your happy that they are going. By the way what is a poney?[/p][/quote]Not really worried they are only overpaid football players with no loyalty to the club, so what is the big deal, life goes on. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 3

11:15am Sat 28 Jun 14

Block 42 says...

The saints board are a complete joke..they will probably buy players like danny ings and other unproven players..we need world class players coming in here..why not go for jackson martinez or jay hernandez..we now have a reported 100 million to spend..
The saints board are a complete joke..they will probably buy players like danny ings and other unproven players..we need world class players coming in here..why not go for jackson martinez or jay hernandez..we now have a reported 100 million to spend.. Block 42
  • Score: -10

11:15am Sat 28 Jun 14

st.athan saint says...

soccernomics- sell when they're overpriced buy when underpriced. Reality is like in any profession if you get the opportunity to work for a bigger company for a substantial pay rise you're going to take it.Clue is in the job description "professional" ie do it for money. Players come players go - the club stays - will invest in new young talent and move on.
soccernomics- sell when they're overpriced buy when underpriced. Reality is like in any profession if you get the opportunity to work for a bigger company for a substantial pay rise you're going to take it.Clue is in the job description "professional" ie do it for money. Players come players go - the club stays - will invest in new young talent and move on. st.athan saint
  • Score: 15

11:19am Sat 28 Jun 14

oldsaintsfan says...

espanuel wrote:
Saintade wrote:
A few comments: Maybe our new manager should have got his arse on his seat a little bit earlier instead of swanning around on a beach, and maybe he could have done something about this? What sticks in the throat for me is the lying Chairman who has come out to the press several times stating we will not sell our players...yet here we are. So that was a con just to get them through the season ticket purchasing process. So don't believe a thing they tell you...reinvest all the money in the squad? I'll bet my mortgage right now that if you do the sums at Christmas we won't have spent even half what we have gained. One final point, your comment "because the team cannot risk being destabilised by all this" - er, I would suggest that the team has already been destablised, having 3 of it's game-changing players leave already!
My personal opinion is that credibility has gone out of the window with players leaving the club and the management letting it happen. Just one more season to stabilise the club would have been excellent, especially with a new manager. I think SFC are going to struggle next season, I hope I'm proved wrong.
KL has set out her stall - she is clearly views saints as a selling club. I am disappointed but not surprised. It is the owners right - after all she pays the bills and provides the capital. The rest of the board appear very much as employees doing the owners bidding and therefore their statements need to be seen in that light. The days of the “big project” are, I think, behind us. Unfortunately it did not last very long!
It will be interesting to see how much money saints actually spend this summer on transfers in given that there are other financing requirements within the club and I guess the owner might like a return on her investment? Hopefully RK and co have a plan. However to maintain a top half position in the PL we will need to punch above our weight which my heart says is possible but my head says will be difficult to do consistently. Unfortunately it only takes one bad season for it all to unravel - such is life as a fan (50+ years for me!). As usual at this time of the year looking forward to the new season in August!
[quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: A few comments: Maybe our new manager should have got his arse on his seat a little bit earlier instead of swanning around on a beach, and maybe he could have done something about this? What sticks in the throat for me is the lying Chairman who has come out to the press several times stating we will not sell our players...yet here we are. So that was a con just to get them through the season ticket purchasing process. So don't believe a thing they tell you...reinvest all the money in the squad? I'll bet my mortgage right now that if you do the sums at Christmas we won't have spent even half what we have gained. One final point, your comment "because the team cannot risk being destabilised by all this" - er, I would suggest that the team has already been destablised, having 3 of it's game-changing players leave already![/p][/quote]My personal opinion is that credibility has gone out of the window with players leaving the club and the management letting it happen. Just one more season to stabilise the club would have been excellent, especially with a new manager. I think SFC are going to struggle next season, I hope I'm proved wrong.[/p][/quote]KL has set out her stall - she is clearly views saints as a selling club. I am disappointed but not surprised. It is the owners right - after all she pays the bills and provides the capital. The rest of the board appear very much as employees doing the owners bidding and therefore their statements need to be seen in that light. The days of the “big project” are, I think, behind us. Unfortunately it did not last very long! It will be interesting to see how much money saints actually spend this summer on transfers in given that there are other financing requirements within the club and I guess the owner might like a return on her investment? Hopefully RK and co have a plan. However to maintain a top half position in the PL we will need to punch above our weight which my heart says is possible but my head says will be difficult to do consistently. Unfortunately it only takes one bad season for it all to unravel - such is life as a fan (50+ years for me!). As usual at this time of the year looking forward to the new season in August! oldsaintsfan
  • Score: -1

11:22am Sat 28 Jun 14

Dan Howard says...

costa gaz wrote:
Dan Howard wrote:
For once I agree with everything Adam has said. Get the clear out done quickly and start again building rather than fighting a pointless rearguard action. But what most supporters will want to know is what are we building towards? What's the ambition for a well run selling club with a turnover less than £100m when the top four or five have at least three times that financial muscle and in the case of ManU, more than five times more.
My worry is Dan, that what we have just had took 3/4 years to achieve, building gradually, a new player here, a new layer there. It was a gradual process and it paid dividends.


The situation we find ourselves in now is alien to us, new management team, new training methods , new board, new tactics, new players.
This will take time, but time is not something afforded to new managers... hopefully a new plan has been thought out and after a transition period we can start the road back to chasing the big boys again....
Take your point and instability doesn't help any club and that's what we've got now. I ask myself what could the club have controlled and what was done to it........ Clearly Katherina could not have tolerated overspending by £15m on Staplewood by Cortese, so that was bound to end in tears. Poch bought into the Cortese vision but was left high and dry when he left. He was also sought after and tempted in a way that our players were. If I can fault the Board it was in Ralph's rather naive statement that the club had serious financial issues when clearly it hasn't and that started the mudslide......I think the best thing to hope for thus year us to stabilise the position, invest in some young talent like Timothee Kolo, Virgil van Dijk, Jon Paul Boetius etc plus some cheapish experienced old heads to see us through a year or two. Mid table for 14/15 plus a Cup seems like a realistic goal to me before we get sold to a Chinese Squillionaire in a couple of years , move to a new 75,000 seater ground in Fareham and conquer Europe! Then we shall have to find something new to bemoan!
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: For once I agree with everything Adam has said. Get the clear out done quickly and start again building rather than fighting a pointless rearguard action. But what most supporters will want to know is what are we building towards? What's the ambition for a well run selling club with a turnover less than £100m when the top four or five have at least three times that financial muscle and in the case of ManU, more than five times more.[/p][/quote]My worry is Dan, that what we have just had took 3/4 years to achieve, building gradually, a new player here, a new layer there. It was a gradual process and it paid dividends. The situation we find ourselves in now is alien to us, new management team, new training methods , new board, new tactics, new players. This will take time, but time is not something afforded to new managers... hopefully a new plan has been thought out and after a transition period we can start the road back to chasing the big boys again....[/p][/quote]Take your point and instability doesn't help any club and that's what we've got now. I ask myself what could the club have controlled and what was done to it........ Clearly Katherina could not have tolerated overspending by £15m on Staplewood by Cortese, so that was bound to end in tears. Poch bought into the Cortese vision but was left high and dry when he left. He was also sought after and tempted in a way that our players were. If I can fault the Board it was in Ralph's rather naive statement that the club had serious financial issues when clearly it hasn't and that started the mudslide......I think the best thing to hope for thus year us to stabilise the position, invest in some young talent like Timothee Kolo, Virgil van Dijk, Jon Paul Boetius etc plus some cheapish experienced old heads to see us through a year or two. Mid table for 14/15 plus a Cup seems like a realistic goal to me before we get sold to a Chinese Squillionaire in a couple of years , move to a new 75,000 seater ground in Fareham and conquer Europe! Then we shall have to find something new to bemoan! Dan Howard
  • Score: 3

11:25am Sat 28 Jun 14

St Forlife says...

It's all a bit of a sad reflection of what football is all about. Probably the only sport where the directors of a football club don't get up in the morning and think about winning anything. Making the biggest profit possible rules now and then the shareholders get paid their divs.

I just do not see where we go from here. Yes we will probably do well - win more than we lose finish mid table and everyone will pat themselves on the back and say we've done well. But what's the point I mean? We have probably just had the best team in my 40 + years of watching them. Shall we push on or shall we sell? Answers on a postcard.

What's £50m spent in the transfer market going to do? Or £100m even? You can only play 11 ata time and if we bring on new talent or make a good find - we'll sell them too. We already had them.

So I have this dychotomy. I love this club and will keep watching I guess - but for all the last 40 years I felt we were doing our best to win - and that is SO important to connect with the fans for. We came 2nd in the 80s and I supported them. We got relegated to League 1 and I still felt we were doing our best but it was incompetance rather than wrong objectives that took us there).

Now I just do not see what the club wants to achieve anymore. It 'hopes' to win something I suppose - but clearly no plans. You cannot build a team to finish top 6 without other teams noticing you are good - so we will sell again.

What's it all about please board - I just cannot get excited about signing anyone anymore if they sell em on as soon as they take an effect.
It's all a bit of a sad reflection of what football is all about. Probably the only sport where the directors of a football club don't get up in the morning and think about winning anything. Making the biggest profit possible rules now and then the shareholders get paid their divs. I just do not see where we go from here. Yes we will probably do well - win more than we lose finish mid table and everyone will pat themselves on the back and say we've done well. But what's the point I mean? We have probably just had the best team in my 40 + years of watching them. Shall we push on or shall we sell? Answers on a postcard. What's £50m spent in the transfer market going to do? Or £100m even? You can only play 11 ata time and if we bring on new talent or make a good find - we'll sell them too. We already had them. So I have this dychotomy. I love this club and will keep watching I guess - but for all the last 40 years I felt we were doing our best to win - and that is SO important to connect with the fans for. We came 2nd in the 80s and I supported them. We got relegated to League 1 and I still felt we were doing our best but it was incompetance rather than wrong objectives that took us there). Now I just do not see what the club wants to achieve anymore. It 'hopes' to win something I suppose - but clearly no plans. You cannot build a team to finish top 6 without other teams noticing you are good - so we will sell again. What's it all about please board - I just cannot get excited about signing anyone anymore if they sell em on as soon as they take an effect. St Forlife
  • Score: 8

11:26am Sat 28 Jun 14

yellowcard says...

costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR.
Actually Lallana was an excellent player and Shaw will become a great left back.... but you really knew that didn't you?
Next you'll be telling us that pochettino was a carp coach and will soon be on the managerial scrapheap.
poch may of got us to 8th but paul sturrock and glen hoddle had better stats as a saints manager.. shaw and lallana can be replaced for a lot less the only one we would struggle to replace is morgan..
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR.[/p][/quote]Actually Lallana was an excellent player and Shaw will become a great left back.... but you really knew that didn't you? Next you'll be telling us that pochettino was a carp coach and will soon be on the managerial scrapheap.[/p][/quote]poch may of got us to 8th but paul sturrock and glen hoddle had better stats as a saints manager.. shaw and lallana can be replaced for a lot less the only one we would struggle to replace is morgan.. yellowcard
  • Score: 4

11:26am Sat 28 Jun 14

Saint Jinx says...

In fact this is unprecedented. we have drip sold the odd player over the years, one at a time Even the likes of Stockport and Hartlepool have not had mass exoduses like this.
This is a massive massive kick in the teeth to every Saints fan.

We don't they just restructure the league, making the top league a European league, with promotion and relegation, and then we will all know where we are.

Not as exciting as a knockout competition I suppose. I am trying to fathom out how we can remove this glass ceiling that we have hit our heads against this season. And we have got some nasty head wounds as a result!
In fact this is unprecedented. we have drip sold the odd player over the years, one at a time Even the likes of Stockport and Hartlepool have not had mass exoduses like this. This is a massive massive kick in the teeth to every Saints fan. We don't they just restructure the league, making the top league a European league, with promotion and relegation, and then we will all know where we are. Not as exciting as a knockout competition I suppose. I am trying to fathom out how we can remove this glass ceiling that we have hit our heads against this season. And we have got some nasty head wounds as a result! Saint Jinx
  • Score: 6

11:29am Sat 28 Jun 14

Bazultra says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
The cash in the bank for transfers sounds great...but what you are missing is that by selling our best players, a team that finished 8th last season, and was arguably a decent goalscorer/ poacher away from top 6 even, is now a less attractive proposition to big names who might potentially come in, because before the new season starts, we are already weaker than last year, meaning we will have to do alot just to get back to the same level, let alone pushing for a higher finish.
It also sends,out the message to all the other young lads that if they have one good season, they can genuinely start thinking of a move to a megabucks club the following year, rather than seeing Saints as a place to build a career.
I totally agree with you we had a team that played well together and now we may as well start all over again as we have basically lost the core of it. When Suarez wanted to leave Liverpool said No. When Rooney wanted to leave Manc said No. Lambert,Lallana,Lovr
en and Shaw want to leave and the board say Yes. Thanks very much board. I still 100% believe it was Cortese that had the ambition he done everything it said on the tin. Do you all remember his 1st half hour interview where he said he wanted to take us to the top and we were going to be like Barca. A team full of home grown talent. Not its completely obvious that KL is a sell out!
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: The cash in the bank for transfers sounds great...but what you are missing is that by selling our best players, a team that finished 8th last season, and was arguably a decent goalscorer/ poacher away from top 6 even, is now a less attractive proposition to big names who might potentially come in, because before the new season starts, we are already weaker than last year, meaning we will have to do alot just to get back to the same level, let alone pushing for a higher finish. It also sends,out the message to all the other young lads that if they have one good season, they can genuinely start thinking of a move to a megabucks club the following year, rather than seeing Saints as a place to build a career.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you we had a team that played well together and now we may as well start all over again as we have basically lost the core of it. When Suarez wanted to leave Liverpool said No. When Rooney wanted to leave Manc said No. Lambert,Lallana,Lovr en and Shaw want to leave and the board say Yes. Thanks very much board. I still 100% believe it was Cortese that had the ambition he done everything it said on the tin. Do you all remember his 1st half hour interview where he said he wanted to take us to the top and we were going to be like Barca. A team full of home grown talent. Not its completely obvious that KL is a sell out! Bazultra
  • Score: 7

11:31am Sat 28 Jun 14

Egomaniac says...

Jon Forte wrote:
Unfortunately though you can't buy team spirit. Just look at Totenham!
Spot on!!
[quote][p][bold]Jon Forte[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately though you can't buy team spirit. Just look at Totenham![/p][/quote]Spot on!! Egomaniac
  • Score: 1

11:36am Sat 28 Jun 14

upwherewebelong says...

unlike Adam Leitch who clearly has nothing but contempt for Southampton FC I think the answer is no the players being sold is not good news. Adam would have us believe we need to know our place in football well unlike Adam I disagree I think we need to strive to improve and we as fans need to let this useless shower of a board realise we won't settle for second best.
unlike Adam Leitch who clearly has nothing but contempt for Southampton FC I think the answer is no the players being sold is not good news. Adam would have us believe we need to know our place in football well unlike Adam I disagree I think we need to strive to improve and we as fans need to let this useless shower of a board realise we won't settle for second best. upwherewebelong
  • Score: 6

11:39am Sat 28 Jun 14

Sutton Saint says...

Remember that we have £87m from last seasons booty....at least £20m for RK.....but we still have Osvaldo to get rid of...probably a £6m hit. Whatever happens...the thought of new players makes it a very interesting summer.

It was only a few summers we had severe financial problems and came close to extinction, but the huge amounts of money guarantee our future.

Like it or not, the football fans I feel sorry for are in the lower leagues. How many will fold over the next few weeks due to money problems. If England are to progress, money must filter down to the foundations of football, clubs, infrastructure and training of grass roots coaches.

As great as it is seeing Saints in the elite again, football is killing the fans in the pocket and wages keep going up. When will admission prices drop to encourage more fans to go to football matches?
Remember that we have £87m from last seasons booty....at least £20m for RK.....but we still have Osvaldo to get rid of...probably a £6m hit. Whatever happens...the thought of new players makes it a very interesting summer. It was only a few summers we had severe financial problems and came close to extinction, but the huge amounts of money guarantee our future. Like it or not, the football fans I feel sorry for are in the lower leagues. How many will fold over the next few weeks due to money problems. If England are to progress, money must filter down to the foundations of football, clubs, infrastructure and training of grass roots coaches. As great as it is seeing Saints in the elite again, football is killing the fans in the pocket and wages keep going up. When will admission prices drop to encourage more fans to go to football matches? Sutton Saint
  • Score: 4

11:40am Sat 28 Jun 14

saintsfan76 says...

Apologies if some of these points have been made already but I think this is a fair article from Adam. MoPo obviously realised that at the end of the season he maybe needed a new challenge. Pundits such as Alan Shearer had always said they thought it would be hard to hold on to some of the star players from last season especially with the likes of Man Utd having such a poor season and failing to qualify for the Champions League for the first time ever.

Maybe MoPo talked to the "star" players who told him if big offers came in for them they would find oit hard to turn them down. That's why when Spurs came in for him he went. And with him having made his decision it probably made it easier for Lambert, Lallana and Shaw to decide to leave as well. And let's face it who at 18 is going to turn down the megabucks money Luke will be on from now. I see him rather like Rooney was at his age when he moved from Everton to Man Utd. Ricky's move to Liverpool is self explanatory and his career is Roy of the Rovers stuff.

As for Adam I find that along with others a bit more difficult to understand. I do know however that he always fancied playing for Liverpool and alongside that he chas a wife and a son to think about. a footballer's life is normally complete by your late 30's so rather like a model you have to earn the money whilst its on offer. I can only imagine the deal he is going into with Liverpool ensures he will will picked every week and possibly Brendon sees him as the successor to Gerrard in that role. And what an addition her is for Liverpool to a team already brim full with England intertnationals.And playing alongside them every week may also improve the England team for the Euro qualifiers coming up later in the year or could be good for England. My only quibble is with the 25% sell on to Bournemouth we should have been looking at a fee closer to that Shaw went for. I agree that he is worth more to a team than Shaw.

As far as contracts are concerned they are worthless. They should run to 2 years at the most but I guess if they did players would end up going at t5he end of 2 years as a "free agent" and that wouldn't be as beneficial for both the club and the player.

Please SFC spend the money wisely. With a proven manager and established as well as newer players from the academy Southampton can start the new season as they finished the last and achieve as much as well.
Apologies if some of these points have been made already but I think this is a fair article from Adam. MoPo obviously realised that at the end of the season he maybe needed a new challenge. Pundits such as Alan Shearer had always said they thought it would be hard to hold on to some of the star players from last season especially with the likes of Man Utd having such a poor season and failing to qualify for the Champions League for the first time ever. Maybe MoPo talked to the "star" players who told him if big offers came in for them they would find oit hard to turn them down. That's why when Spurs came in for him he went. And with him having made his decision it probably made it easier for Lambert, Lallana and Shaw to decide to leave as well. And let's face it who at 18 is going to turn down the megabucks money Luke will be on from now. I see him rather like Rooney was at his age when he moved from Everton to Man Utd. Ricky's move to Liverpool is self explanatory and his career is Roy of the Rovers stuff. As for Adam I find that along with others a bit more difficult to understand. I do know however that he always fancied playing for Liverpool and alongside that he chas a wife and a son to think about. a footballer's life is normally complete by your late 30's so rather like a model you have to earn the money whilst its on offer. I can only imagine the deal he is going into with Liverpool ensures he will will picked every week and possibly Brendon sees him as the successor to Gerrard in that role. And what an addition her is for Liverpool to a team already brim full with England intertnationals.And playing alongside them every week may also improve the England team for the Euro qualifiers coming up later in the year or could be good for England. My only quibble is with the 25% sell on to Bournemouth we should have been looking at a fee closer to that Shaw went for. I agree that he is worth more to a team than Shaw. As far as contracts are concerned they are worthless. They should run to 2 years at the most but I guess if they did players would end up going at t5he end of 2 years as a "free agent" and that wouldn't be as beneficial for both the club and the player. Please SFC spend the money wisely. With a proven manager and established as well as newer players from the academy Southampton can start the new season as they finished the last and achieve as much as well. saintsfan76
  • Score: 0

11:40am Sat 28 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

As I posted on another thread the loss of our three England stars is not the way to push the club forward. It is also the effect it has on the others and we could face a domino effect. It also affects the attitude of those we wish to sign up. The team did not need rebuilding it needed strengthening. Name me another team that has achieved top 8 finish in modern times with this:

Boruc - free
Clyne - £2m (Chambers - free)
Shaw - free
Fonte - £2m
Lovren - £7m
Morgan - £2m
Jack - £750k
Adam - free
Davis - £2m
Jay Rod - £7m
Rickie - £1m

That is truly breath taking, almost impossible to believe. Cheap as chips and massively successful. There are players in there who are now being sold for millions and who said they would stay if the club invested a bit to push on. We needed a GK, a CB and a striker - say £30 to 50m - to push on.

I was scorned when I reported back on my conversation with Jesus who said they were leaving as a result of a change in ambition by the club. He also said Luke, Adam, Morgan and Victor would leave too. So far he is half right, I hope we persuade the others to stay but on the evidence so far optimism is hard.

If you want to make an argument for Luke and Adam moving on after years at the club that's fine. What's your argument for Lovren? He was signed a year ago ffs!

If this article is correct and that the club were persuading Luke to stay until this summer as long ago as pre Xmas, then we were lied to by both Ralph and Les.
As I posted on another thread the loss of our three England stars is not the way to push the club forward. It is also the effect it has on the others and we could face a domino effect. It also affects the attitude of those we wish to sign up. The team did not need rebuilding it needed strengthening. Name me another team that has achieved top 8 finish in modern times with this: Boruc - free Clyne - £2m (Chambers - free) Shaw - free Fonte - £2m Lovren - £7m Morgan - £2m Jack - £750k Adam - free Davis - £2m Jay Rod - £7m Rickie - £1m That is truly breath taking, almost impossible to believe. Cheap as chips and massively successful. There are players in there who are now being sold for millions and who said they would stay if the club invested a bit to push on. We needed a GK, a CB and a striker - say £30 to 50m - to push on. I was scorned when I reported back on my conversation with Jesus who said they were leaving as a result of a change in ambition by the club. He also said Luke, Adam, Morgan and Victor would leave too. So far he is half right, I hope we persuade the others to stay but on the evidence so far optimism is hard. If you want to make an argument for Luke and Adam moving on after years at the club that's fine. What's your argument for Lovren? He was signed a year ago ffs! If this article is correct and that the club were persuading Luke to stay until this summer as long ago as pre Xmas, then we were lied to by both Ralph and Les. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 10

11:41am Sat 28 Jun 14

milton road says...

Morgan has spoken this from Sky Sport.
North London rivals Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur are said to be leading the chase for the France international – who is currently away on World Cup duty.


"I’ve been there for a long time now. We’ll see how things go, but the directors know my position and what my intentions are."
Morgan Schneiderlin
Schneiderlin is reluctant to discuss his future while his focus lies elsewhere, but has hinted he could be tempted to seek a new challenge if Southampton are unable to match his ambition.

The 24-year-old midfielder said at a press conference ahead of France’s last-16 encounter with Nigeria on Monday: “Listen, I’m aware of Southampton’s situation.

“On a personal level, the club know my position and know what I want to do. I had a good conversation with all the directors.

“I’ve been there for a long time now. We’ll see how things go, but the directors know my position and what my intentions are.

“Everyone has ambitions, everyone has his own future in his hands, so we’ll see. Every player wants to play on big occasions.”

Pressed further on whether he could follow former Southampton boss Mauricio Pochettino to White Hart Lane, Schneiderlin added: “I’m not saying anything.
Morgan has spoken this from Sky Sport. North London rivals Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur are said to be leading the chase for the France international – who is currently away on World Cup duty. "I’ve been there for a long time now. We’ll see how things go, but the directors know my position and what my intentions are." Morgan Schneiderlin Schneiderlin is reluctant to discuss his future while his focus lies elsewhere, but has hinted he could be tempted to seek a new challenge if Southampton are unable to match his ambition. The 24-year-old midfielder said at a press conference ahead of France’s last-16 encounter with Nigeria on Monday: “Listen, I’m aware of Southampton’s situation. “On a personal level, the club know my position and know what I want to do. I had a good conversation with all the directors. “I’ve been there for a long time now. We’ll see how things go, but the directors know my position and what my intentions are. “Everyone has ambitions, everyone has his own future in his hands, so we’ll see. Every player wants to play on big occasions.” Pressed further on whether he could follow former Southampton boss Mauricio Pochettino to White Hart Lane, Schneiderlin added: “I’m not saying anything. milton road
  • Score: 3

11:42am Sat 28 Jun 14

Egomaniac says...

There is so much waffle written on here about contracts, loyalty etc etc.

Football is the same as any other job or profession. Anyone with any ambition will seek to improve his or her position and financial status. That's the nature of a free market economy! Lallana and Shaw are simply conforming to that principle - nothing wrong with that! SFC cannot, and never will, be able to compete with the likes of the big four, so we are - by the very nature of things - a selling Club because the Board has no choice.

I do not want players at St Mary's who really do not want to be there. They will not give 100% and will be a disrupting influence on the rest of the players. Lamber, Lallana and Shaw have served us well, they now wish to move on where the grass is greener (in their eyes anyway), and we should wish them well.

As long as the income from these players is put at the disposal of the new manager for player investment, we should put our trust in Ronald to use it wisely and rebuild a new team. I have every confidence in that trust. Ron must have known the situation before he signed up - and no-one will know better than he the movement of players to bigger clubs - yet he still took the job on.

So stop moaning you beefers, have faith and look ahead with anticipation!
There is so much waffle written on here about contracts, loyalty etc etc. Football is the same as any other job or profession. Anyone with any ambition will seek to improve his or her position and financial status. That's the nature of a free market economy! Lallana and Shaw are simply conforming to that principle - nothing wrong with that! SFC cannot, and never will, be able to compete with the likes of the big four, so we are - by the very nature of things - a selling Club because the Board has no choice. I do not want players at St Mary's who really do not want to be there. They will not give 100% and will be a disrupting influence on the rest of the players. Lamber, Lallana and Shaw have served us well, they now wish to move on where the grass is greener (in their eyes anyway), and we should wish them well. As long as the income from these players is put at the disposal of the new manager for player investment, we should put our trust in Ronald to use it wisely and rebuild a new team. I have every confidence in that trust. Ron must have known the situation before he signed up - and no-one will know better than he the movement of players to bigger clubs - yet he still took the job on. So stop moaning you beefers, have faith and look ahead with anticipation! Egomaniac
  • Score: 5

11:44am Sat 28 Jun 14

george chivers says...

montecristosaint wrote:
express_a_view wrote:
i) Losing good players is never good news.
ii) The Premier League is though a cartel where those who have played, or have recently played, Champions League football have fiscal resources that other teams, including Saints, cannot currently hope to compete with. Nor is throwing money around guaranteed success - look at Spurs to prove that point.
iii) It is though sad that when non cartel clubs get their players selected for England international duty that this seems to be a forum where the poaching of players begins. The FA ought to just ponder whether this is a message they want to give to teams who invest in developing English talent. It would be sad if a visit from the England manager to a smaller club was seen as little more than a harbinger of doom that another player was leaving the fold.
iv) As a club Saints have two things in their favour. An outstanding production line of talent and the capacity to spend accumulated fees on new players. It is imperative they retain the first and do the second.
v) In reality Saints have exceeded all expectations. No one could have dreamt that we would have gone so swiftly from Rochdale away to beating Liverpool at Anfield and being the "best of the rest."
vi) The crux is do the board see this as the end of the journey or the starting point of the next phase. In five years time are we going to be bumbling along as a mid table side (or worse) or a team with a serious pretence to the upper echelons of the Premier League. I think we have to aspire to the second.
vii) Finally, clear out those who are going swiftly. Retaining those who it is in our interest to retain - even if it means ruffling a few feathers. Then rebuild the squad around the immense talent we already have and get behind the Saints. COYR.
Lets get something very clear. Miss Liebherr inherited the club from her father, and if she had one ounce of her father commitment Cortese would not have walked. Nor would Pochettino. All that has transpired since, and is now happening is due to her lack of commitment to her father s project. It s that simple. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply dreaming.
Liebherr recruited a couple of yes men, and in the case of Krueger someone who had no knowledge of football but who could be relied upon to soft soap the fans to avoid major repercussions including protests at the decisions taken by the club. All we have had is soundbites, and the reality has yet to dawn upon most Saints fans. We are in trouble, yet again. The whole of the first team , pretty much will be sold and we will be left with the academy and cheap imports to make up the numbers.
There will be no marquee signings whatever, and the club will look to recruit as cheaply as possible. Expect Bendtner to be the first of these next week.
I am looking to see through middle east contacts whether Liebherr is actively looking for a buyer for the club, my guess she is or is about to.
You maybe right you may be wrong, who knows. But to expect someone to follow in their father's foot steps without question is I think pushing it too far. I haven't followed in my father's footsteps in terms of projects and hobbies. How many people do? There is nothing set in stone to say you should.

Cheer up and smell the coffee. It's a new dawn and and a new day. We've taken a smack in the mouth but it's time to bounce back and we are good at that.
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]express_a_view[/bold] wrote: i) Losing good players is never good news. ii) The Premier League is though a cartel where those who have played, or have recently played, Champions League football have fiscal resources that other teams, including Saints, cannot currently hope to compete with. Nor is throwing money around guaranteed success - look at Spurs to prove that point. iii) It is though sad that when non cartel clubs get their players selected for England international duty that this seems to be a forum where the poaching of players begins. The FA ought to just ponder whether this is a message they want to give to teams who invest in developing English talent. It would be sad if a visit from the England manager to a smaller club was seen as little more than a harbinger of doom that another player was leaving the fold. iv) As a club Saints have two things in their favour. An outstanding production line of talent and the capacity to spend accumulated fees on new players. It is imperative they retain the first and do the second. v) In reality Saints have exceeded all expectations. No one could have dreamt that we would have gone so swiftly from Rochdale away to beating Liverpool at Anfield and being the "best of the rest." vi) The crux is do the board see this as the end of the journey or the starting point of the next phase. In five years time are we going to be bumbling along as a mid table side (or worse) or a team with a serious pretence to the upper echelons of the Premier League. I think we have to aspire to the second. vii) Finally, clear out those who are going swiftly. Retaining those who it is in our interest to retain - even if it means ruffling a few feathers. Then rebuild the squad around the immense talent we already have and get behind the Saints. COYR.[/p][/quote]Lets get something very clear. Miss Liebherr inherited the club from her father, and if she had one ounce of her father commitment Cortese would not have walked. Nor would Pochettino. All that has transpired since, and is now happening is due to her lack of commitment to her father s project. It s that simple. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply dreaming. Liebherr recruited a couple of yes men, and in the case of Krueger someone who had no knowledge of football but who could be relied upon to soft soap the fans to avoid major repercussions including protests at the decisions taken by the club. All we have had is soundbites, and the reality has yet to dawn upon most Saints fans. We are in trouble, yet again. The whole of the first team , pretty much will be sold and we will be left with the academy and cheap imports to make up the numbers. There will be no marquee signings whatever, and the club will look to recruit as cheaply as possible. Expect Bendtner to be the first of these next week. I am looking to see through middle east contacts whether Liebherr is actively looking for a buyer for the club, my guess she is or is about to.[/p][/quote]You maybe right you may be wrong, who knows. But to expect someone to follow in their father's foot steps without question is I think pushing it too far. I haven't followed in my father's footsteps in terms of projects and hobbies. How many people do? There is nothing set in stone to say you should. Cheer up and smell the coffee. It's a new dawn and and a new day. We've taken a smack in the mouth but it's time to bounce back and we are good at that. george chivers
  • Score: 0

11:51am Sat 28 Jun 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Sack the board!!
Where is ralphie boy?? He has been quiet lately.old les running round in his farahs trying to keep Morgan and Dejan from going.this is a joke.a really bad one.it doesn't matter who they get in now because they only have 6 weeks to gel and that is not going to happen.
If les signs bendtner we know we are in for a relegation battle.
Sack the board!! Where is ralphie boy?? He has been quiet lately.old les running round in his farahs trying to keep Morgan and Dejan from going.this is a joke.a really bad one.it doesn't matter who they get in now because they only have 6 weeks to gel and that is not going to happen. If les signs bendtner we know we are in for a relegation battle. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 5

11:55am Sat 28 Jun 14

steekeemcglue says...

Lallana was a great saints player... he was not though key to future success... none of them were.... Koeman is more than capable of moulding a successful side in his own way... Remember this was basically Nigel's side that MoPo took over... he just added a couple of players,,, one of them useless.... so lets take a chill pill.... so so many fans that for years have called themselves "real" fans yet are slagging the club off before anything has been demonstrated.
Lallana was a great saints player... he was not though key to future success... none of them were.... Koeman is more than capable of moulding a successful side in his own way... Remember this was basically Nigel's side that MoPo took over... he just added a couple of players,,, one of them useless.... so lets take a chill pill.... so so many fans that for years have called themselves "real" fans yet are slagging the club off before anything has been demonstrated. steekeemcglue
  • Score: 5

12:02pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

My worry is that this team has been evolving since the divi one days and now we have to re-build, then by the time that has happend the vultures will be gathering again ready to pick off our best players. There was solidarity through the whole team as they had acheived so much in such a short time, but oddly they did not want to stay for another season for that final push.
My worry is that this team has been evolving since the divi one days and now we have to re-build, then by the time that has happend the vultures will be gathering again ready to pick off our best players. There was solidarity through the whole team as they had acheived so much in such a short time, but oddly they did not want to stay for another season for that final push. Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 10

12:02pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Golden_Salamander says...

A few months ago in a post match interview on Radio Solent Jack said that "the players are all very close and all wanted to stay and play here".

Then we hear that "Wreck It" has been UPSETTING a number of players by (1) not phoning them back; (2) no replying to Text messages (3) refusing to discuss contracts extensions with Jack/Jose/ JayRod (due after x number of PL games) etc until the end of season. (4) Then I am told he mention discussing contracts at the End of Season Event and went off on holiday to Canada without doing so.

No wonder the ex Manager and Players do NOT TRUST the Board and want to leave on mass.
I cannot think of anyone who believes that "Wreck it" knows what he is doing, surely even he can see he is upsetting the "life blood" of this Football Club. Perhaps that is his aim so that he can say that he is not asset stripping but it is the players requesting to leave (sic).

I bet next weeks story will be that unlike us Burnley/Nice/Feyenor
d etc are refusing to give up their star players on the cheap and we will have to make do with "the kids" from the youth team next season.

I want to hear of only one other person leaving this Club and that is "Wreck It"
A few months ago in a post match interview on Radio Solent Jack said that "the players are all very close and all wanted to stay and play here". Then we hear that "Wreck It" has been UPSETTING a number of players by (1) not phoning them back; (2) no replying to Text messages (3) refusing to discuss contracts extensions with Jack/Jose/ JayRod (due after x number of PL games) etc until the end of season. (4) Then I am told he mention discussing contracts at the End of Season Event and went off on holiday to Canada without doing so. No wonder the ex Manager and Players do NOT TRUST the Board and want to leave on mass. I cannot think of anyone who believes that "Wreck it" knows what he is doing, surely even he can see he is upsetting the "life blood" of this Football Club. Perhaps that is his aim so that he can say that he is not asset stripping but it is the players requesting to leave (sic). I bet next weeks story will be that unlike us Burnley/Nice/Feyenor d etc are refusing to give up their star players on the cheap and we will have to make do with "the kids" from the youth team next season. I want to hear of only one other person leaving this Club and that is "Wreck It" Golden_Salamander
  • Score: 7

12:07pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
My worry is that this team has been evolving since the divi one days and now we have to re-build, then by the time that has happend the vultures will be gathering again ready to pick off our best players. There was solidarity through the whole team as they had acheived so much in such a short time, but oddly they did not want to stay for another season for that final push.
There's nothing odd about it whatsoever. The club reneged on it's ambitions which led to the management team and players leaving as they realised they had no chance to achieve their personal ambitions here.
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: My worry is that this team has been evolving since the divi one days and now we have to re-build, then by the time that has happend the vultures will be gathering again ready to pick off our best players. There was solidarity through the whole team as they had acheived so much in such a short time, but oddly they did not want to stay for another season for that final push.[/p][/quote]There's nothing odd about it whatsoever. The club reneged on it's ambitions which led to the management team and players leaving as they realised they had no chance to achieve their personal ambitions here. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 5

12:09pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Confucious says...

Of course, as is very evident, the core of fans are hurt when important players leave because the fans commitment to the club and the cause is not conditional - it's there through thick and thin. For the vast majority of players it is very conditional - conditional on higher wages or better perceived career prospects elsewhere. And perhaps that's understandable.

That goes for Cortese too - and of course MoPo. Both were asked to stay on very high salaries and yet both chose to go because they were only Saints strictly on condition their own calculated interests were met and not bettered elsewhere. They did not leave for the club's benefit or the fans benefit - not for one split second. The club wasn't their love, it was just their employer.

This all hurts (and we are likely yet to have Lovren and Spiderman's loss to bear too) because we cheer the players and the chairman and the manager on and understandably kid ourselves their feeling for the club is rather like ours. Then we find out - it isn't. Well - that's football nowadays.

BUT the Liebherr family are certainly NOT here to make money - unlike all the aforementioned players and management officials. Apart from anything else they simply don't need to and if they did they'd have far better ways of making it than in an industry which is so notoriously risky and insanely unprofitable.

Markus saved our club from oblivion and Katherina has now stepped in with continued family financial and personal support. She is still here.

We need to keep the faith now and see what happens. I believe a lot of money will now be invested in new players via a respected new manager - and if the Liebherr family do eventually withdraw I believe it will be delivered carefully and thoughtfully into very good hands and on terms which are very good for the club and its future and not just good for the current owner.

All this will make for a potentially difficult season - with so many new players and the new manager all needing to bed in. I'll now be happy if we stay safely away from relegation and see a new solid base to build from.

Of course there are angry folk on here who want to throw mud at the owner now and who will moan and groan even louder if and when our start to the season is difficult. But to what end? How does it help? Or is their love for the club also conditional on uninterrupted success?

We need to stay positive. That will help - or at the very least it won't do any harm.
Of course, as is very evident, the core of fans are hurt when important players leave because the fans commitment to the club and the cause is not conditional - it's there through thick and thin. For the vast majority of players it is very conditional - conditional on higher wages or better perceived career prospects elsewhere. And perhaps that's understandable. That goes for Cortese too - and of course MoPo. Both were asked to stay on very high salaries and yet both chose to go because they were only Saints strictly on condition their own calculated interests were met and not bettered elsewhere. They did not leave for the club's benefit or the fans benefit - not for one split second. The club wasn't their love, it was just their employer. This all hurts (and we are likely yet to have Lovren and Spiderman's loss to bear too) because we cheer the players and the chairman and the manager on and understandably kid ourselves their feeling for the club is rather like ours. Then we find out - it isn't. Well - that's football nowadays. BUT the Liebherr family are certainly NOT here to make money - unlike all the aforementioned players and management officials. Apart from anything else they simply don't need to and if they did they'd have far better ways of making it than in an industry which is so notoriously risky and insanely unprofitable. Markus saved our club from oblivion and Katherina has now stepped in with continued family financial and personal support. She is still here. We need to keep the faith now and see what happens. I believe a lot of money will now be invested in new players via a respected new manager - and if the Liebherr family do eventually withdraw I believe it will be delivered carefully and thoughtfully into very good hands and on terms which are very good for the club and its future and not just good for the current owner. All this will make for a potentially difficult season - with so many new players and the new manager all needing to bed in. I'll now be happy if we stay safely away from relegation and see a new solid base to build from. Of course there are angry folk on here who want to throw mud at the owner now and who will moan and groan even louder if and when our start to the season is difficult. But to what end? How does it help? Or is their love for the club also conditional on uninterrupted success? We need to stay positive. That will help - or at the very least it won't do any harm. Confucious
  • Score: 21

12:17pm Sat 28 Jun 14

noodlesnewman says...

SELLING YOUR PRIZED ASSET TO THE TEAM THAT FINISHED JUST ABOVE US !! THATS A STATEMENT OF INTENT VERY WORRIED NOW AND GUTTED ! THE LAST THING YOU DO IS STRENGHEN THE TEAMS AROUND YOU ! WHAT ARE YOU PLAYING AT SFC , WHAT DO YOU TAKE US FOR , NUMBTIES OR WHAT ? NO AMBITION THIS PROVES IT DISGUSTING HOLLOW WORDS REED !
SELLING YOUR PRIZED ASSET TO THE TEAM THAT FINISHED JUST ABOVE US !! THATS A STATEMENT OF INTENT VERY WORRIED NOW AND GUTTED ! THE LAST THING YOU DO IS STRENGHEN THE TEAMS AROUND YOU ! WHAT ARE YOU PLAYING AT SFC , WHAT DO YOU TAKE US FOR , NUMBTIES OR WHAT ? NO AMBITION THIS PROVES IT DISGUSTING HOLLOW WORDS REED ! noodlesnewman
  • Score: 3

12:21pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Sammy2sheds says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
Lallana was a great saints player... he was not though key to future success... none of them were.... Koeman is more than capable of moulding a successful side in his own way... Remember this was basically Nigel's side that MoPo took over... he just added a couple of players,,, one of them useless.... so lets take a chill pill.... so so many fans that for years have called themselves "real" fans yet are slagging the club off before anything has been demonstrated.
I think les and Ralph have made a big demonstration of themselves.
They have demonstrated how not to run a club,how not to handle current manager contract negotiations,how not to keep star players,how not to deal with a mass exodus.
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: Lallana was a great saints player... he was not though key to future success... none of them were.... Koeman is more than capable of moulding a successful side in his own way... Remember this was basically Nigel's side that MoPo took over... he just added a couple of players,,, one of them useless.... so lets take a chill pill.... so so many fans that for years have called themselves "real" fans yet are slagging the club off before anything has been demonstrated.[/p][/quote]I think les and Ralph have made a big demonstration of themselves. They have demonstrated how not to run a club,how not to handle current manager contract negotiations,how not to keep star players,how not to deal with a mass exodus. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 5

12:26pm Sat 28 Jun 14

up saints says...

if we keep this up may not have 11 players for the liverpool kick off better keep sharpe and gully on board
if we keep this up may not have 11 players for the liverpool kick off better keep sharpe and gully on board up saints
  • Score: 6

12:30pm Sat 28 Jun 14

redandy10 says...

On Talksport this morning they Danny Kelly & Clive Allen were musing on whether we would be able to replace those we are going to lose, with players of similar ability. They didn't seem to be optimistic on that front!!! They were also talking as if Lovren & Morgan are as good as out the door. They said that one departure would create unrest, or as I labelled it a few months ago "The Dominio Effect".

The only positive is that we have a manager with a solid reputation abroad, which will increase our pulling power in the market. We need a quality big name buy to demonstrate our ambition, if one joins it would encourage others. At present we reek of a club ON THE ROPES. We need to change the perception and QUICK!!!
On Talksport this morning they Danny Kelly & Clive Allen were musing on whether we would be able to replace those we are going to lose, with players of similar ability. They didn't seem to be optimistic on that front!!! They were also talking as if Lovren & Morgan are as good as out the door. They said that one departure would create unrest, or as I labelled it a few months ago "The Dominio Effect". The only positive is that we have a manager with a solid reputation abroad, which will increase our pulling power in the market. We need a quality big name buy to demonstrate our ambition, if one joins it would encourage others. At present we reek of a club ON THE ROPES. We need to change the perception and QUICK!!! redandy10
  • Score: 5

12:39pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Shareholder says...

I think a little perspective needs to be taken here. You really can't hold on to a player if he really wants to leave - not even the big clubs are immune, Ronaldo from United, Bale from Spurs etc. Lambert going was fully understandable given the circumstances and good business. Shaw is equally inevitable. At his age it's easy to turn his head, by agents, by parents, by friends. Imagine you're his parent, what would you say to him? Most would say, here's your chance to set yourself set up, you may get injured and have to pack in football but here you can earn enough in one season to set you up for life. You can go on to win lots of trophies and who knows, look at Bale, you could go further. That's what I'd tell my son, what decent parent wanting the best for their child wouldn't? As for Lallana, he's approaching 27 been fanatically loyal to us and is a delight to watch. BUT last season was about the first he hasn't got injured in the winter and been out for quite for a while. So for him this is his chance to win some medals, play in the Champions League and really test himself at the highest level. I think he'd love to do that for Saints but we're a way off being able to offer that yet. I would say, even put money on it, that his decision to leave is a case of the head ruling the heart. Lovren? Been here one season, foreign, no ties to the club or area, on a career path, used us as a stepping stone, looking for glory and a big pay day (ditto Pochettino). The Premiership is over populated with overseas players like that. Good player but I won't shed a tear if he goes - there will be others to replace him. Schneiderlin? He's the one I'll be most sorry to see go IF indeed he does. He's a better player than Lallana in my view and holds our midfield together. And as he proved in his full game for France he is adaptable and able to play in different positions. Between him and Lallana he easily had the more impressive World Cup - and is still there! But look, as things currently stand we have just appointed a really good manager with a far superior CV to the last incumbent, who has a huge budget to play with and who still has Boruc, Clyne, Chambers, Fonte, Schneiderlin, Wanyama, Ramirez (a good player we've yet to see the best of), Davis, Ward Powse, Rodriguez and a host of young England internationals to work with. So come on folks. This is the real world world we're in along with 19 other clubs in the Premiership and frankly, sad though it may be to lose some heroes and legends, we ain't looking that bad and there's an awful lot to look forward to. I bet most fans at the majority of this 19 other clubs are looking at us a little enviously right now, along with their managers!
I think a little perspective needs to be taken here. You really can't hold on to a player if he really wants to leave - not even the big clubs are immune, Ronaldo from United, Bale from Spurs etc. Lambert going was fully understandable given the circumstances and good business. Shaw is equally inevitable. At his age it's easy to turn his head, by agents, by parents, by friends. Imagine you're his parent, what would you say to him? Most would say, here's your chance to set yourself set up, you may get injured and have to pack in football but here you can earn enough in one season to set you up for life. You can go on to win lots of trophies and who knows, look at Bale, you could go further. That's what I'd tell my son, what decent parent wanting the best for their child wouldn't? As for Lallana, he's approaching 27 been fanatically loyal to us and is a delight to watch. BUT last season was about the first he hasn't got injured in the winter and been out for quite for a while. So for him this is his chance to win some medals, play in the Champions League and really test himself at the highest level. I think he'd love to do that for Saints but we're a way off being able to offer that yet. I would say, even put money on it, that his decision to leave is a case of the head ruling the heart. Lovren? Been here one season, foreign, no ties to the club or area, on a career path, used us as a stepping stone, looking for glory and a big pay day (ditto Pochettino). The Premiership is over populated with overseas players like that. Good player but I won't shed a tear if he goes - there will be others to replace him. Schneiderlin? He's the one I'll be most sorry to see go IF indeed he does. He's a better player than Lallana in my view and holds our midfield together. And as he proved in his full game for France he is adaptable and able to play in different positions. Between him and Lallana he easily had the more impressive World Cup - and is still there! But look, as things currently stand we have just appointed a really good manager with a far superior CV to the last incumbent, who has a huge budget to play with and who still has Boruc, Clyne, Chambers, Fonte, Schneiderlin, Wanyama, Ramirez (a good player we've yet to see the best of), Davis, Ward Powse, Rodriguez and a host of young England internationals to work with. So come on folks. This is the real world world we're in along with 19 other clubs in the Premiership and frankly, sad though it may be to lose some heroes and legends, we ain't looking that bad and there's an awful lot to look forward to. I bet most fans at the majority of this 19 other clubs are looking at us a little enviously right now, along with their managers! Shareholder
  • Score: 6

12:39pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Tongdii says...

Reading all the comments reminds me of the old saying-:

'Pessimists are right the same amount of times as optimists, but it's a lot less fun.
Reading all the comments reminds me of the old saying-: 'Pessimists are right the same amount of times as optimists, but it's a lot less fun. Tongdii
  • Score: 4

12:39pm Sat 28 Jun 14

lowemustgo says...

Seems to me that selling these good players for dumb money is actually the right thing to do for SFC. (even thought we don't want to) Just so long as we don't go out and pay stupid money for dubious replacements, but instead rely on our academy. There is little risk in promoting the right development squad players to the first team, because they have been schooled in the Southampton Way since 8 or 10 years old and SFC know them completely. Contrast that with the risk of buying another Osvaldo or Gaza? We have only made 5 or 6 successful player acquisitions in the last 2 seasons - Wanyama, Lovren, Rodriguez, Davis and Clyne. Boruc was a free. Chambers and Ward Prowse are fantastic, so I look forward to seeing what Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Stevens, Isgrove, Gape, Cropper, etc can do on the ptich. That's what the academy and development squad are for. Yes buy talent if its available, but don't risk buying dubious players late in the transfer window when they don't have time to fit in with the team. That's my advice Ron!!!
Seems to me that selling these good players for dumb money is actually the right thing to do for SFC. (even thought we don't want to) Just so long as we don't go out and pay stupid money for dubious replacements, but instead rely on our academy. There is little risk in promoting the right development squad players to the first team, because they have been schooled in the Southampton Way since 8 or 10 years old and SFC know them completely. Contrast that with the risk of buying another Osvaldo or Gaza? We have only made 5 or 6 successful player acquisitions in the last 2 seasons - Wanyama, Lovren, Rodriguez, Davis and Clyne. Boruc was a free. Chambers and Ward Prowse are fantastic, so I look forward to seeing what Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Stevens, Isgrove, Gape, Cropper, etc can do on the ptich. That's what the academy and development squad are for. Yes buy talent if its available, but don't risk buying dubious players late in the transfer window when they don't have time to fit in with the team. That's my advice Ron!!! lowemustgo
  • Score: 1

12:41pm Sat 28 Jun 14

PaulSnook says...

When in history has a club sold it's best players and gone on to better things?
When in history has a club sold it's best players and gone on to better things? PaulSnook
  • Score: 6

12:43pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Bazultra says...

Your right seed I dont care what anyone says Im telling everyone now we as fans are being taken for a ride once again. Cotese was the one with the ambition. The board us all this crap about being open with the fans but dont communicate with us openly at all. Im totally devasted. For the first time in mylife I was really on board the bus and was riding Corteses vision. So what if Marcus saved us that doesnt mean Kl will! Dont forget Marcus bought the club with the condition that Cortese was at the helm. KL has seen to it that now he isnt. Thanks Katerina Liebheer. Wish the rest of our fans would stop trying to sugarcoat this buy having were going to have 60 mill to spend and heres to a new begining. Thats BS we was well on our way under Cortese. Shame on you Katerina you dad would be turning in his grave you big lying money grabber. COYR
Your right seed I dont care what anyone says Im telling everyone now we as fans are being taken for a ride once again. Cotese was the one with the ambition. The board us all this crap about being open with the fans but dont communicate with us openly at all. Im totally devasted. For the first time in mylife I was really on board the bus and was riding Corteses vision. So what if Marcus saved us that doesnt mean Kl will! Dont forget Marcus bought the club with the condition that Cortese was at the helm. KL has seen to it that now he isnt. Thanks Katerina Liebheer. Wish the rest of our fans would stop trying to sugarcoat this buy having were going to have 60 mill to spend and heres to a new begining. Thats BS we was well on our way under Cortese. Shame on you Katerina you dad would be turning in his grave you big lying money grabber. COYR Bazultra
  • Score: 4

12:54pm Sat 28 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

PaulSnook wrote:
When in history has a club sold it's best players and gone on to better things?
Man Utd sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season.
[quote][p][bold]PaulSnook[/bold] wrote: When in history has a club sold it's best players and gone on to better things?[/p][/quote]Man Utd sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 0

1:00pm Sat 28 Jun 14

durhamsaint87 says...

The only reason for contracts these days is so the selling club "sadly like ours" is so when it comes to selling on players it's price can increase. We had better get a move on, these ex-players (not worth mentioning they names) need to be replaced with good if not better ones who will sign because they want to play for our great club. Did those players who are not worth mentioning have to pay back anything on their contracts?
We will never compete with the manure, biteablepool, and those who hock their club up the hilt in debt. Hopefully one they will be in the same place as that third rate club down the east m27, who spent money as if it came out of the tap.
The only reason for contracts these days is so the selling club "sadly like ours" is so when it comes to selling on players it's price can increase. We had better get a move on, these ex-players (not worth mentioning they names) need to be replaced with good if not better ones who will sign because they want to play for our great club. Did those players who are not worth mentioning have to pay back anything on their contracts? We will never compete with the manure, biteablepool, and those who hock their club up the hilt in debt. Hopefully one they will be in the same place as that third rate club down the east m27, who spent money as if it came out of the tap. durhamsaint87
  • Score: 4

1:03pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Saint Jinx says...

xilos1 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR.
Actually Lallana was an excellent player and Shaw will become a great left back.... but you really knew that didn't you?
Next you'll be telling us that pochettino was a carp coach and will soon be on the managerial scrapheap.
I will say it again for you an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA.
I guess this means your happy that they are going. By the way what is a poney?
It's an e-pony!
[quote][p][bold]xilos1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR.[/p][/quote]Actually Lallana was an excellent player and Shaw will become a great left back.... but you really knew that didn't you? Next you'll be telling us that pochettino was a carp coach and will soon be on the managerial scrapheap.[/p][/quote]I will say it again for you an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA.[/p][/quote]I guess this means your happy that they are going. By the way what is a poney?[/p][/quote]It's an e-pony! Saint Jinx
  • Score: -2

1:06pm Sat 28 Jun 14

andy newbury says...

sadly we at st mary,s had a TEAM , by that i mean a group of players that had bonded together and played as a team, brought together over a period of time. osvaldo got moved on because he upset the team spirit we are lead to believe,where is the team spirit now. the saints fans will get behind our team but the loss of our team captain has to be a big blow as many looked to him being our second le tiss in as much as we thought, or rather hoped, he would stay with the club. As with many other saints fans i am disappointed with adam and although i can see where he is coming from i am still very, very disappointed with him. It will take a lot to reinstate the team spirit we had built up since our relegation and promotion battles of recent years. Could we be going back to saints as we used to know it, i hope not.I supported saints through the dark years and will always do so, so come on you saints players continue to show us pride and passion on the pitch and re-engage and show us supporters the team spirit which has got us through the later years under markus.
sadly we at st mary,s had a TEAM , by that i mean a group of players that had bonded together and played as a team, brought together over a period of time. osvaldo got moved on because he upset the team spirit we are lead to believe,where is the team spirit now. the saints fans will get behind our team but the loss of our team captain has to be a big blow as many looked to him being our second le tiss in as much as we thought, or rather hoped, he would stay with the club. As with many other saints fans i am disappointed with adam and although i can see where he is coming from i am still very, very disappointed with him. It will take a lot to reinstate the team spirit we had built up since our relegation and promotion battles of recent years. Could we be going back to saints as we used to know it, i hope not.I supported saints through the dark years and will always do so, so come on you saints players continue to show us pride and passion on the pitch and re-engage and show us supporters the team spirit which has got us through the later years under markus. andy newbury
  • Score: 5

1:07pm Sat 28 Jun 14

upwherewebelong says...

reading the majority of posts a clear problem emerges in that a significant number of fans don't want the club to progress and grow. They just want us to know our place and sell players and are willing to accept second best. For all his faults at least under Cortese we had a plan and ambition. KL is hell bent on destroying the clubs. If come Bayer Leverkusen at home in the friendly nothing has happened I would call for a mass protest aimed at showing the board exactly how dissatisfied we all are.
reading the majority of posts a clear problem emerges in that a significant number of fans don't want the club to progress and grow. They just want us to know our place and sell players and are willing to accept second best. For all his faults at least under Cortese we had a plan and ambition. KL is hell bent on destroying the clubs. If come Bayer Leverkusen at home in the friendly nothing has happened I would call for a mass protest aimed at showing the board exactly how dissatisfied we all are. upwherewebelong
  • Score: -2

1:09pm Sat 28 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

According to some press reports Lovren and Morgan have been put up for sale by the club.
According to some press reports Lovren and Morgan have been put up for sale by the club. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 3

1:10pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Mister E says...

Shareholder wrote:
I think a little perspective needs to be taken here. You really can't hold on to a player if he really wants to leave - not even the big clubs are immune, Ronaldo from United, Bale from Spurs etc. Lambert going was fully understandable given the circumstances and good business. Shaw is equally inevitable. At his age it's easy to turn his head, by agents, by parents, by friends. Imagine you're his parent, what would you say to him? Most would say, here's your chance to set yourself set up, you may get injured and have to pack in football but here you can earn enough in one season to set you up for life. You can go on to win lots of trophies and who knows, look at Bale, you could go further. That's what I'd tell my son, what decent parent wanting the best for their child wouldn't? As for Lallana, he's approaching 27 been fanatically loyal to us and is a delight to watch. BUT last season was about the first he hasn't got injured in the winter and been out for quite for a while. So for him this is his chance to win some medals, play in the Champions League and really test himself at the highest level. I think he'd love to do that for Saints but we're a way off being able to offer that yet. I would say, even put money on it, that his decision to leave is a case of the head ruling the heart. Lovren? Been here one season, foreign, no ties to the club or area, on a career path, used us as a stepping stone, looking for glory and a big pay day (ditto Pochettino). The Premiership is over populated with overseas players like that. Good player but I won't shed a tear if he goes - there will be others to replace him. Schneiderlin? He's the one I'll be most sorry to see go IF indeed he does. He's a better player than Lallana in my view and holds our midfield together. And as he proved in his full game for France he is adaptable and able to play in different positions. Between him and Lallana he easily had the more impressive World Cup - and is still there! But look, as things currently stand we have just appointed a really good manager with a far superior CV to the last incumbent, who has a huge budget to play with and who still has Boruc, Clyne, Chambers, Fonte, Schneiderlin, Wanyama, Ramirez (a good player we've yet to see the best of), Davis, Ward Powse, Rodriguez and a host of young England internationals to work with. So come on folks. This is the real world world we're in along with 19 other clubs in the Premiership and frankly, sad though it may be to lose some heroes and legends, we ain't looking that bad and there's an awful lot to look forward to. I bet most fans at the majority of this 19 other clubs are looking at us a little enviously right now, along with their managers!
Absolutely.
A little calm perspective and realism, well said.
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: I think a little perspective needs to be taken here. You really can't hold on to a player if he really wants to leave - not even the big clubs are immune, Ronaldo from United, Bale from Spurs etc. Lambert going was fully understandable given the circumstances and good business. Shaw is equally inevitable. At his age it's easy to turn his head, by agents, by parents, by friends. Imagine you're his parent, what would you say to him? Most would say, here's your chance to set yourself set up, you may get injured and have to pack in football but here you can earn enough in one season to set you up for life. You can go on to win lots of trophies and who knows, look at Bale, you could go further. That's what I'd tell my son, what decent parent wanting the best for their child wouldn't? As for Lallana, he's approaching 27 been fanatically loyal to us and is a delight to watch. BUT last season was about the first he hasn't got injured in the winter and been out for quite for a while. So for him this is his chance to win some medals, play in the Champions League and really test himself at the highest level. I think he'd love to do that for Saints but we're a way off being able to offer that yet. I would say, even put money on it, that his decision to leave is a case of the head ruling the heart. Lovren? Been here one season, foreign, no ties to the club or area, on a career path, used us as a stepping stone, looking for glory and a big pay day (ditto Pochettino). The Premiership is over populated with overseas players like that. Good player but I won't shed a tear if he goes - there will be others to replace him. Schneiderlin? He's the one I'll be most sorry to see go IF indeed he does. He's a better player than Lallana in my view and holds our midfield together. And as he proved in his full game for France he is adaptable and able to play in different positions. Between him and Lallana he easily had the more impressive World Cup - and is still there! But look, as things currently stand we have just appointed a really good manager with a far superior CV to the last incumbent, who has a huge budget to play with and who still has Boruc, Clyne, Chambers, Fonte, Schneiderlin, Wanyama, Ramirez (a good player we've yet to see the best of), Davis, Ward Powse, Rodriguez and a host of young England internationals to work with. So come on folks. This is the real world world we're in along with 19 other clubs in the Premiership and frankly, sad though it may be to lose some heroes and legends, we ain't looking that bad and there's an awful lot to look forward to. I bet most fans at the majority of this 19 other clubs are looking at us a little enviously right now, along with their managers![/p][/quote]Absolutely. A little calm perspective and realism, well said. Mister E
  • Score: 0

1:12pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Mush On The Beach says...

redandy10 wrote:
On Talksport this morning they Danny Kelly & Clive Allen were musing on whether we would be able to replace those we are going to lose, with players of similar ability. They didn't seem to be optimistic on that front!!! They were also talking as if Lovren & Morgan are as good as out the door. They said that one departure would create unrest, or as I labelled it a few months ago "The Dominio Effect".

The only positive is that we have a manager with a solid reputation abroad, which will increase our pulling power in the market. We need a quality big name buy to demonstrate our ambition, if one joins it would encourage others. At present we reek of a club ON THE ROPES. We need to change the perception and QUICK!!!
That’s a fair assessment. I’d like to think Koeman was not oblivious to the potential impending exodus which I’m sure has not ended yet. His reputation is on the line here, so I’m hoping there will be some positivity to negate all this disappointment otherwise why would he take on the job?
We’ve all shared our opinions on here as Saints fans in the last couple of months of what has been an extraordinary set of circumstances at a football club.
We are Southampton and there is never a dull moment, you’ve been around long enough to know that.

If we are a like boxer on the ropes, I hope it can be likened to the majestic Muhammad Ali in the Rumble in the Jungle. We have taken a lot of sustained punches from Foreman (read Top 4 vultures and gutter press) but we come out and deliver the final knockout punch.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: On Talksport this morning they Danny Kelly & Clive Allen were musing on whether we would be able to replace those we are going to lose, with players of similar ability. They didn't seem to be optimistic on that front!!! They were also talking as if Lovren & Morgan are as good as out the door. They said that one departure would create unrest, or as I labelled it a few months ago "The Dominio Effect". The only positive is that we have a manager with a solid reputation abroad, which will increase our pulling power in the market. We need a quality big name buy to demonstrate our ambition, if one joins it would encourage others. At present we reek of a club ON THE ROPES. We need to change the perception and QUICK!!![/p][/quote]That’s a fair assessment. I’d like to think Koeman was not oblivious to the potential impending exodus which I’m sure has not ended yet. His reputation is on the line here, so I’m hoping there will be some positivity to negate all this disappointment otherwise why would he take on the job? We’ve all shared our opinions on here as Saints fans in the last couple of months of what has been an extraordinary set of circumstances at a football club. We are Southampton and there is never a dull moment, you’ve been around long enough to know that. If we are a like boxer on the ropes, I hope it can be likened to the majestic Muhammad Ali in the Rumble in the Jungle. We have taken a lot of sustained punches from Foreman (read Top 4 vultures and gutter press) but we come out and deliver the final knockout punch. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 1

1:17pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Invidia says...

Confucious wrote:
Of course, as is very evident, the core of fans are hurt when important players leave because the fans commitment to the club and the cause is not conditional - it's there through thick and thin. For the vast majority of players it is very conditional - conditional on higher wages or better perceived career prospects elsewhere. And perhaps that's understandable.

That goes for Cortese too - and of course MoPo. Both were asked to stay on very high salaries and yet both chose to go because they were only Saints strictly on condition their own calculated interests were met and not bettered elsewhere. They did not leave for the club's benefit or the fans benefit - not for one split second. The club wasn't their love, it was just their employer.

This all hurts (and we are likely yet to have Lovren and Spiderman's loss to bear too) because we cheer the players and the chairman and the manager on and understandably kid ourselves their feeling for the club is rather like ours. Then we find out - it isn't. Well - that's football nowadays.

BUT the Liebherr family are certainly NOT here to make money - unlike all the aforementioned players and management officials. Apart from anything else they simply don't need to and if they did they'd have far better ways of making it than in an industry which is so notoriously risky and insanely unprofitable.

Markus saved our club from oblivion and Katherina has now stepped in with continued family financial and personal support. She is still here.

We need to keep the faith now and see what happens. I believe a lot of money will now be invested in new players via a respected new manager - and if the Liebherr family do eventually withdraw I believe it will be delivered carefully and thoughtfully into very good hands and on terms which are very good for the club and its future and not just good for the current owner.

All this will make for a potentially difficult season - with so many new players and the new manager all needing to bed in. I'll now be happy if we stay safely away from relegation and see a new solid base to build from.

Of course there are angry folk on here who want to throw mud at the owner now and who will moan and groan even louder if and when our start to the season is difficult. But to what end? How does it help? Or is their love for the club also conditional on uninterrupted success?

We need to stay positive. That will help - or at the very least it won't do any harm.
I don't usually read your ramblings but your post is on a serious note and as they say you have nailed it !!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Of course, as is very evident, the core of fans are hurt when important players leave because the fans commitment to the club and the cause is not conditional - it's there through thick and thin. For the vast majority of players it is very conditional - conditional on higher wages or better perceived career prospects elsewhere. And perhaps that's understandable. That goes for Cortese too - and of course MoPo. Both were asked to stay on very high salaries and yet both chose to go because they were only Saints strictly on condition their own calculated interests were met and not bettered elsewhere. They did not leave for the club's benefit or the fans benefit - not for one split second. The club wasn't their love, it was just their employer. This all hurts (and we are likely yet to have Lovren and Spiderman's loss to bear too) because we cheer the players and the chairman and the manager on and understandably kid ourselves their feeling for the club is rather like ours. Then we find out - it isn't. Well - that's football nowadays. BUT the Liebherr family are certainly NOT here to make money - unlike all the aforementioned players and management officials. Apart from anything else they simply don't need to and if they did they'd have far better ways of making it than in an industry which is so notoriously risky and insanely unprofitable. Markus saved our club from oblivion and Katherina has now stepped in with continued family financial and personal support. She is still here. We need to keep the faith now and see what happens. I believe a lot of money will now be invested in new players via a respected new manager - and if the Liebherr family do eventually withdraw I believe it will be delivered carefully and thoughtfully into very good hands and on terms which are very good for the club and its future and not just good for the current owner. All this will make for a potentially difficult season - with so many new players and the new manager all needing to bed in. I'll now be happy if we stay safely away from relegation and see a new solid base to build from. Of course there are angry folk on here who want to throw mud at the owner now and who will moan and groan even louder if and when our start to the season is difficult. But to what end? How does it help? Or is their love for the club also conditional on uninterrupted success? We need to stay positive. That will help - or at the very least it won't do any harm.[/p][/quote]I don't usually read your ramblings but your post is on a serious note and as they say you have nailed it !! Invidia
  • Score: 1

1:19pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
My worry is that this team has been evolving since the divi one days and now we have to re-build, then by the time that has happend the vultures will be gathering again ready to pick off our best players. There was solidarity through the whole team as they had acheived so much in such a short time, but oddly they did not want to stay for another season for that final push.
There's nothing odd about it whatsoever. The club reneged on it's ambitions which led to the management team and players leaving as they realised they had no chance to achieve their personal ambitions here.
I hope you are wrong but feel you are not, I am also getting fed up with just being around to supply other teams with good players, our scouting team and the academy have proved to be the best in this country for years, the amount of talent they have discovered for basement prices is very impressive, but I'm at the stage now where I'm wondering if the 300 mile round trip is worth it anymore especially with the bad drivers on the M25 and M3
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: My worry is that this team has been evolving since the divi one days and now we have to re-build, then by the time that has happend the vultures will be gathering again ready to pick off our best players. There was solidarity through the whole team as they had acheived so much in such a short time, but oddly they did not want to stay for another season for that final push.[/p][/quote]There's nothing odd about it whatsoever. The club reneged on it's ambitions which led to the management team and players leaving as they realised they had no chance to achieve their personal ambitions here.[/p][/quote]I hope you are wrong but feel you are not, I am also getting fed up with just being around to supply other teams with good players, our scouting team and the academy have proved to be the best in this country for years, the amount of talent they have discovered for basement prices is very impressive, but I'm at the stage now where I'm wondering if the 300 mile round trip is worth it anymore especially with the bad drivers on the M25 and M3 Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 3

1:23pm Sat 28 Jun 14

JohnItaly says...

If the current situation has acheived anything it certainly has polarised the optimists and pessimists within the fan base. When reading carefully constructed arguments, and there are a few from both camps, I find it difficult to totally agree with one side or the other. My instincts tell me to remain cautiously optimistic. However my optimism will be sorely tested if both Lovren and Schneiderlin leave. Has as been said in many posts clubs regularly lose "star" players but I'm having difficulty bringing to mind a successful club, as Saints undoubtedly were last season, losing virtually 50% of their 1st team within a matter of weeks. If this worst case scenario unfolds them it will be a severe test of Koemans managerial / coaching credentials and I will unfortunately find myself siding with the pessimists. The next two / three weeks are going to be very interesting. I hope by the end of it I remain cautiously optimistic!
If the current situation has acheived anything it certainly has polarised the optimists and pessimists within the fan base. When reading carefully constructed arguments, and there are a few from both camps, I find it difficult to totally agree with one side or the other. My instincts tell me to remain cautiously optimistic. However my optimism will be sorely tested if both Lovren and Schneiderlin leave. Has as been said in many posts clubs regularly lose "star" players but I'm having difficulty bringing to mind a successful club, as Saints undoubtedly were last season, losing virtually 50% of their 1st team within a matter of weeks. If this worst case scenario unfolds them it will be a severe test of Koemans managerial / coaching credentials and I will unfortunately find myself siding with the pessimists. The next two / three weeks are going to be very interesting. I hope by the end of it I remain cautiously optimistic! JohnItaly
  • Score: 5

1:26pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Mister E says...

Invidia wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Of course, as is very evident, the core of fans are hurt when important players leave because the fans commitment to the club and the cause is not conditional - it's there through thick and thin. For the vast majority of players it is very conditional - conditional on higher wages or better perceived career prospects elsewhere. And perhaps that's understandable.

That goes for Cortese too - and of course MoPo. Both were asked to stay on very high salaries and yet both chose to go because they were only Saints strictly on condition their own calculated interests were met and not bettered elsewhere. They did not leave for the club's benefit or the fans benefit - not for one split second. The club wasn't their love, it was just their employer.

This all hurts (and we are likely yet to have Lovren and Spiderman's loss to bear too) because we cheer the players and the chairman and the manager on and understandably kid ourselves their feeling for the club is rather like ours. Then we find out - it isn't. Well - that's football nowadays.

BUT the Liebherr family are certainly NOT here to make money - unlike all the aforementioned players and management officials. Apart from anything else they simply don't need to and if they did they'd have far better ways of making it than in an industry which is so notoriously risky and insanely unprofitable.

Markus saved our club from oblivion and Katherina has now stepped in with continued family financial and personal support. She is still here.

We need to keep the faith now and see what happens. I believe a lot of money will now be invested in new players via a respected new manager - and if the Liebherr family do eventually withdraw I believe it will be delivered carefully and thoughtfully into very good hands and on terms which are very good for the club and its future and not just good for the current owner.

All this will make for a potentially difficult season - with so many new players and the new manager all needing to bed in. I'll now be happy if we stay safely away from relegation and see a new solid base to build from.

Of course there are angry folk on here who want to throw mud at the owner now and who will moan and groan even louder if and when our start to the season is difficult. But to what end? How does it help? Or is their love for the club also conditional on uninterrupted success?

We need to stay positive. That will help - or at the very least it won't do any harm.
I don't usually read your ramblings but your post is on a serious note and as they say you have nailed it !!
Absolutely, well said both of you!
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Of course, as is very evident, the core of fans are hurt when important players leave because the fans commitment to the club and the cause is not conditional - it's there through thick and thin. For the vast majority of players it is very conditional - conditional on higher wages or better perceived career prospects elsewhere. And perhaps that's understandable. That goes for Cortese too - and of course MoPo. Both were asked to stay on very high salaries and yet both chose to go because they were only Saints strictly on condition their own calculated interests were met and not bettered elsewhere. They did not leave for the club's benefit or the fans benefit - not for one split second. The club wasn't their love, it was just their employer. This all hurts (and we are likely yet to have Lovren and Spiderman's loss to bear too) because we cheer the players and the chairman and the manager on and understandably kid ourselves their feeling for the club is rather like ours. Then we find out - it isn't. Well - that's football nowadays. BUT the Liebherr family are certainly NOT here to make money - unlike all the aforementioned players and management officials. Apart from anything else they simply don't need to and if they did they'd have far better ways of making it than in an industry which is so notoriously risky and insanely unprofitable. Markus saved our club from oblivion and Katherina has now stepped in with continued family financial and personal support. She is still here. We need to keep the faith now and see what happens. I believe a lot of money will now be invested in new players via a respected new manager - and if the Liebherr family do eventually withdraw I believe it will be delivered carefully and thoughtfully into very good hands and on terms which are very good for the club and its future and not just good for the current owner. All this will make for a potentially difficult season - with so many new players and the new manager all needing to bed in. I'll now be happy if we stay safely away from relegation and see a new solid base to build from. Of course there are angry folk on here who want to throw mud at the owner now and who will moan and groan even louder if and when our start to the season is difficult. But to what end? How does it help? Or is their love for the club also conditional on uninterrupted success? We need to stay positive. That will help - or at the very least it won't do any harm.[/p][/quote]I don't usually read your ramblings but your post is on a serious note and as they say you have nailed it !![/p][/quote]Absolutely, well said both of you! Mister E
  • Score: -1

1:29pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Saint Jinx says...

Bazultra wrote:
Your right seed I dont care what anyone says Im telling everyone now we as fans are being taken for a ride once again. Cotese was the one with the ambition. The board us all this crap about being open with the fans but dont communicate with us openly at all. Im totally devasted. For the first time in mylife I was really on board the bus and was riding Corteses vision. So what if Marcus saved us that doesnt mean Kl will! Dont forget Marcus bought the club with the condition that Cortese was at the helm. KL has seen to it that now he isnt. Thanks Katerina Liebheer. Wish the rest of our fans would stop trying to sugarcoat this buy having were going to have 60 mill to spend and heres to a new begining. Thats BS we was well on our way under Cortese. Shame on you Katerina you dad would be turning in his grave you big lying money grabber. COYR
And that is the enigma of club football. Where else in the real world does the supplier dictate to the client and we fans are the clients.
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Your right seed I dont care what anyone says Im telling everyone now we as fans are being taken for a ride once again. Cotese was the one with the ambition. The board us all this crap about being open with the fans but dont communicate with us openly at all. Im totally devasted. For the first time in mylife I was really on board the bus and was riding Corteses vision. So what if Marcus saved us that doesnt mean Kl will! Dont forget Marcus bought the club with the condition that Cortese was at the helm. KL has seen to it that now he isnt. Thanks Katerina Liebheer. Wish the rest of our fans would stop trying to sugarcoat this buy having were going to have 60 mill to spend and heres to a new begining. Thats BS we was well on our way under Cortese. Shame on you Katerina you dad would be turning in his grave you big lying money grabber. COYR[/p][/quote]And that is the enigma of club football. Where else in the real world does the supplier dictate to the client and we fans are the clients. Saint Jinx
  • Score: -1

1:31pm Sat 28 Jun 14

deepheat says...

Southampton still have a good core of players that have proven themselves in the EPL.

Artur Boruc is a fine goalie on his day. Jose Fonte is a dependable, solid defender. Dejan Lovren had a fantastic first season with the Saints last term and has been touted for a £20+ move too. Victor Wanyama is a great midfield marshall who is still young at twenty-three. Morgan Schneiderlin has improved so much that he has went from a League One player in 2011 to a French World Cup star in 2014. Jack Cork is a composed and classy midfielder. Steven Davis is an experienced campaigner that adds a wealth of knowledge to the squad. Plus we have a recovering Jay Rodriguez, a striker who was possibly on his way to Brazil for this summers World Cup had he not suffered from his injury.

Nathaniel Clyne has been tipped for an international call-up. Nineteen year old full-back Calum Chambers could possibly be another future £20m+ sale, as his early performances have caught the attention of various managers. England U21 international James Ward-Prowse managed over thirty EPL appearances last term and seems to be improving all the time. Sam Gallagher’s first team outings last season were impressive enough to see him rewarded with a new long term deal. Midfielder Harrison Reed has also won admirers with his displays and seems very keen on a pass.

The club also have two maverick enigmas.
Twenty-three year old Gaston Ramirez has all the talent in the world but hasn’t produced it enough during his spell at St Mary’s.
The other enigma is the talented but volatile Dani Osvaldo.

So you look at that and you can see it’s not all doom and gloom at Southampton.

http://www.thefootyb
log.net/
Southampton still have a good core of players that have proven themselves in the EPL. Artur Boruc is a fine goalie on his day. Jose Fonte is a dependable, solid defender. Dejan Lovren had a fantastic first season with the Saints last term and has been touted for a £20+ move too. Victor Wanyama is a great midfield marshall who is still young at twenty-three. Morgan Schneiderlin has improved so much that he has went from a League One player in 2011 to a French World Cup star in 2014. Jack Cork is a composed and classy midfielder. Steven Davis is an experienced campaigner that adds a wealth of knowledge to the squad. Plus we have a recovering Jay Rodriguez, a striker who was possibly on his way to Brazil for this summers World Cup had he not suffered from his injury. Nathaniel Clyne has been tipped for an international call-up. Nineteen year old full-back Calum Chambers could possibly be another future £20m+ sale, as his early performances have caught the attention of various managers. England U21 international James Ward-Prowse managed over thirty EPL appearances last term and seems to be improving all the time. Sam Gallagher’s first team outings last season were impressive enough to see him rewarded with a new long term deal. Midfielder Harrison Reed has also won admirers with his displays and seems very keen on a pass. The club also have two maverick enigmas. Twenty-three year old Gaston Ramirez has all the talent in the world but hasn’t produced it enough during his spell at St Mary’s. The other enigma is the talented but volatile Dani Osvaldo. So you look at that and you can see it’s not all doom and gloom at Southampton. http://www.thefootyb log.net/ deepheat
  • Score: 2

1:36pm Sat 28 Jun 14

St.Gaz says...

montecristosaint wrote:
express_a_view wrote:
i) Losing good players is never good news.
ii) The Premier League is though a cartel where those who have played, or have recently played, Champions League football have fiscal resources that other teams, including Saints, cannot currently hope to compete with. Nor is throwing money around guaranteed success - look at Spurs to prove that point.
iii) It is though sad that when non cartel clubs get their players selected for England international duty that this seems to be a forum where the poaching of players begins. The FA ought to just ponder whether this is a message they want to give to teams who invest in developing English talent. It would be sad if a visit from the England manager to a smaller club was seen as little more than a harbinger of doom that another player was leaving the fold.
iv) As a club Saints have two things in their favour. An outstanding production line of talent and the capacity to spend accumulated fees on new players. It is imperative they retain the first and do the second.
v) In reality Saints have exceeded all expectations. No one could have dreamt that we would have gone so swiftly from Rochdale away to beating Liverpool at Anfield and being the "best of the rest."
vi) The crux is do the board see this as the end of the journey or the starting point of the next phase. In five years time are we going to be bumbling along as a mid table side (or worse) or a team with a serious pretence to the upper echelons of the Premier League. I think we have to aspire to the second.
vii) Finally, clear out those who are going swiftly. Retaining those who it is in our interest to retain - even if it means ruffling a few feathers. Then rebuild the squad around the immense talent we already have and get behind the Saints. COYR.
Lets get something very clear. Miss Liebherr inherited the club from her father, and if she had one ounce of her father commitment Cortese would not have walked. Nor would Pochettino. All that has transpired since, and is now happening is due to her lack of commitment to her father s project. It s that simple. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply dreaming.
Liebherr recruited a couple of yes men, and in the case of Krueger someone who had no knowledge of football but who could be relied upon to soft soap the fans to avoid major repercussions including protests at the decisions taken by the club. All we have had is soundbites, and the reality has yet to dawn upon most Saints fans. We are in trouble, yet again. The whole of the first team , pretty much will be sold and we will be left with the academy and cheap imports to make up the numbers.
There will be no marquee signings whatever, and the club will look to recruit as cheaply as possible. Expect Bendtner to be the first of these next week.
I am looking to see through middle east contacts whether Liebherr is actively looking for a buyer for the club, my guess she is or is about to.
Wasting your time mate most fans are just far to asleep and will no wake to the truth untill there crying into there tea on a Saturday afternoon watching a second rate team struggling to stay in the league!!!!!!! The best we can ever hope for is mid table Finnish year after year that's the extent to the boards plans!!!!
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]express_a_view[/bold] wrote: i) Losing good players is never good news. ii) The Premier League is though a cartel where those who have played, or have recently played, Champions League football have fiscal resources that other teams, including Saints, cannot currently hope to compete with. Nor is throwing money around guaranteed success - look at Spurs to prove that point. iii) It is though sad that when non cartel clubs get their players selected for England international duty that this seems to be a forum where the poaching of players begins. The FA ought to just ponder whether this is a message they want to give to teams who invest in developing English talent. It would be sad if a visit from the England manager to a smaller club was seen as little more than a harbinger of doom that another player was leaving the fold. iv) As a club Saints have two things in their favour. An outstanding production line of talent and the capacity to spend accumulated fees on new players. It is imperative they retain the first and do the second. v) In reality Saints have exceeded all expectations. No one could have dreamt that we would have gone so swiftly from Rochdale away to beating Liverpool at Anfield and being the "best of the rest." vi) The crux is do the board see this as the end of the journey or the starting point of the next phase. In five years time are we going to be bumbling along as a mid table side (or worse) or a team with a serious pretence to the upper echelons of the Premier League. I think we have to aspire to the second. vii) Finally, clear out those who are going swiftly. Retaining those who it is in our interest to retain - even if it means ruffling a few feathers. Then rebuild the squad around the immense talent we already have and get behind the Saints. COYR.[/p][/quote]Lets get something very clear. Miss Liebherr inherited the club from her father, and if she had one ounce of her father commitment Cortese would not have walked. Nor would Pochettino. All that has transpired since, and is now happening is due to her lack of commitment to her father s project. It s that simple. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply dreaming. Liebherr recruited a couple of yes men, and in the case of Krueger someone who had no knowledge of football but who could be relied upon to soft soap the fans to avoid major repercussions including protests at the decisions taken by the club. All we have had is soundbites, and the reality has yet to dawn upon most Saints fans. We are in trouble, yet again. The whole of the first team , pretty much will be sold and we will be left with the academy and cheap imports to make up the numbers. There will be no marquee signings whatever, and the club will look to recruit as cheaply as possible. Expect Bendtner to be the first of these next week. I am looking to see through middle east contacts whether Liebherr is actively looking for a buyer for the club, my guess she is or is about to.[/p][/quote]Wasting your time mate most fans are just far to asleep and will no wake to the truth untill there crying into there tea on a Saturday afternoon watching a second rate team struggling to stay in the league!!!!!!! The best we can ever hope for is mid table Finnish year after year that's the extent to the boards plans!!!! St.Gaz
  • Score: 5

1:37pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

Apart from the fact that our academy players are already being touted as in your post, look what happend when Lovren was out, if we lose him along with the other three departed (the core of the team) and we will be relegation material
Apart from the fact that our academy players are already being touted as in your post, look what happend when Lovren was out, if we lose him along with the other three departed (the core of the team) and we will be relegation material Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 7

1:37pm Sat 28 Jun 14

miltonnroad76 says...

Not suprised or unduly worryed at losing shaw and lallana i see clyne switching over to the left enabling chambers to play every game and ramirez stepping up....but will be finger on the panic button if schneiderlin and especially lovren goes....center backs like him are a rare breed and morgan could be replaced much more easier by ward prowse .....That would be half the team gone leaving Koeman a massive job in only 7 weeks...we already needed a gk a cb and 2 strikers ..hopefully this Pelle fella will come and maybe a couple of other dutch league players but he needs to get them in asap to work with them and to give the fans a boost...i usually look to the positive but if all the above mentioned players left we could be in real trouble next season ...Lovren is the key defender for us and him and fonte have a natural understanding losing this one player might be a bridge to far for saints...lets hope Koeman acts quickly to bring some cheer to the fans.
Not suprised or unduly worryed at losing shaw and lallana i see clyne switching over to the left enabling chambers to play every game and ramirez stepping up....but will be finger on the panic button if schneiderlin and especially lovren goes....center backs like him are a rare breed and morgan could be replaced much more easier by ward prowse .....That would be half the team gone leaving Koeman a massive job in only 7 weeks...we already needed a gk a cb and 2 strikers ..hopefully this Pelle fella will come and maybe a couple of other dutch league players but he needs to get them in asap to work with them and to give the fans a boost...i usually look to the positive but if all the above mentioned players left we could be in real trouble next season ...Lovren is the key defender for us and him and fonte have a natural understanding losing this one player might be a bridge to far for saints...lets hope Koeman acts quickly to bring some cheer to the fans. miltonnroad76
  • Score: -4

1:40pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Invidia says...

montecristosaint wrote:
express_a_view wrote:
i) Losing good players is never good news.
ii) The Premier League is though a cartel where those who have played, or have recently played, Champions League football have fiscal resources that other teams, including Saints, cannot currently hope to compete with. Nor is throwing money around guaranteed success - look at Spurs to prove that point.
iii) It is though sad that when non cartel clubs get their players selected for England international duty that this seems to be a forum where the poaching of players begins. The FA ought to just ponder whether this is a message they want to give to teams who invest in developing English talent. It would be sad if a visit from the England manager to a smaller club was seen as little more than a harbinger of doom that another player was leaving the fold.
iv) As a club Saints have two things in their favour. An outstanding production line of talent and the capacity to spend accumulated fees on new players. It is imperative they retain the first and do the second.
v) In reality Saints have exceeded all expectations. No one could have dreamt that we would have gone so swiftly from Rochdale away to beating Liverpool at Anfield and being the "best of the rest."
vi) The crux is do the board see this as the end of the journey or the starting point of the next phase. In five years time are we going to be bumbling along as a mid table side (or worse) or a team with a serious pretence to the upper echelons of the Premier League. I think we have to aspire to the second.
vii) Finally, clear out those who are going swiftly. Retaining those who it is in our interest to retain - even if it means ruffling a few feathers. Then rebuild the squad around the immense talent we already have and get behind the Saints. COYR.
Lets get something very clear. Miss Liebherr inherited the club from her father, and if she had one ounce of her father commitment Cortese would not have walked. Nor would Pochettino. All that has transpired since, and is now happening is due to her lack of commitment to her father s project. It s that simple. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply dreaming.
Liebherr recruited a couple of yes men, and in the case of Krueger someone who had no knowledge of football but who could be relied upon to soft soap the fans to avoid major repercussions including protests at the decisions taken by the club. All we have had is soundbites, and the reality has yet to dawn upon most Saints fans. We are in trouble, yet again. The whole of the first team , pretty much will be sold and we will be left with the academy and cheap imports to make up the numbers.
There will be no marquee signings whatever, and the club will look to recruit as cheaply as possible. Expect Bendtner to be the first of these next week.
I am looking to see through middle east contacts whether Liebherr is actively looking for a buyer for the club, my guess she is or is about to.
Montecristo if you believe what you have written to be true then the scenario you have betrayed can only be a good thing for SFC, as you seem to believe with KL and her board members working to sell the club then that can only be better than what we have right now and have an owner with ambition.

PS I seem to remember you not having many good words for NC in the past if you are just a knocker of whatever happens at St Mary's then you must be a very curious person.
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]express_a_view[/bold] wrote: i) Losing good players is never good news. ii) The Premier League is though a cartel where those who have played, or have recently played, Champions League football have fiscal resources that other teams, including Saints, cannot currently hope to compete with. Nor is throwing money around guaranteed success - look at Spurs to prove that point. iii) It is though sad that when non cartel clubs get their players selected for England international duty that this seems to be a forum where the poaching of players begins. The FA ought to just ponder whether this is a message they want to give to teams who invest in developing English talent. It would be sad if a visit from the England manager to a smaller club was seen as little more than a harbinger of doom that another player was leaving the fold. iv) As a club Saints have two things in their favour. An outstanding production line of talent and the capacity to spend accumulated fees on new players. It is imperative they retain the first and do the second. v) In reality Saints have exceeded all expectations. No one could have dreamt that we would have gone so swiftly from Rochdale away to beating Liverpool at Anfield and being the "best of the rest." vi) The crux is do the board see this as the end of the journey or the starting point of the next phase. In five years time are we going to be bumbling along as a mid table side (or worse) or a team with a serious pretence to the upper echelons of the Premier League. I think we have to aspire to the second. vii) Finally, clear out those who are going swiftly. Retaining those who it is in our interest to retain - even if it means ruffling a few feathers. Then rebuild the squad around the immense talent we already have and get behind the Saints. COYR.[/p][/quote]Lets get something very clear. Miss Liebherr inherited the club from her father, and if she had one ounce of her father commitment Cortese would not have walked. Nor would Pochettino. All that has transpired since, and is now happening is due to her lack of commitment to her father s project. It s that simple. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply dreaming. Liebherr recruited a couple of yes men, and in the case of Krueger someone who had no knowledge of football but who could be relied upon to soft soap the fans to avoid major repercussions including protests at the decisions taken by the club. All we have had is soundbites, and the reality has yet to dawn upon most Saints fans. We are in trouble, yet again. The whole of the first team , pretty much will be sold and we will be left with the academy and cheap imports to make up the numbers. There will be no marquee signings whatever, and the club will look to recruit as cheaply as possible. Expect Bendtner to be the first of these next week. I am looking to see through middle east contacts whether Liebherr is actively looking for a buyer for the club, my guess she is or is about to.[/p][/quote]Montecristo if you believe what you have written to be true then the scenario you have betrayed can only be a good thing for SFC, as you seem to believe with KL and her board members working to sell the club then that can only be better than what we have right now and have an owner with ambition. PS I seem to remember you not having many good words for NC in the past if you are just a knocker of whatever happens at St Mary's then you must be a very curious person. Invidia
  • Score: 4

1:41pm Sat 28 Jun 14

DisplacedFan says...

Mister E wrote:
Invidia wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Of course, as is very evident, the core of fans are hurt when important players leave because the fans commitment to the club and the cause is not conditional - it's there through thick and thin. For the vast majority of players it is very conditional - conditional on higher wages or better perceived career prospects elsewhere. And perhaps that's understandable.

That goes for Cortese too - and of course MoPo. Both were asked to stay on very high salaries and yet both chose to go because they were only Saints strictly on condition their own calculated interests were met and not bettered elsewhere. They did not leave for the club's benefit or the fans benefit - not for one split second. The club wasn't their love, it was just their employer.

This all hurts (and we are likely yet to have Lovren and Spiderman's loss to bear too) because we cheer the players and the chairman and the manager on and understandably kid ourselves their feeling for the club is rather like ours. Then we find out - it isn't. Well - that's football nowadays.

BUT the Liebherr family are certainly NOT here to make money - unlike all the aforementioned players and management officials. Apart from anything else they simply don't need to and if they did they'd have far better ways of making it than in an industry which is so notoriously risky and insanely unprofitable.

Markus saved our club from oblivion and Katherina has now stepped in with continued family financial and personal support. She is still here.

We need to keep the faith now and see what happens. I believe a lot of money will now be invested in new players via a respected new manager - and if the Liebherr family do eventually withdraw I believe it will be delivered carefully and thoughtfully into very good hands and on terms which are very good for the club and its future and not just good for the current owner.

All this will make for a potentially difficult season - with so many new players and the new manager all needing to bed in. I'll now be happy if we stay safely away from relegation and see a new solid base to build from.

Of course there are angry folk on here who want to throw mud at the owner now and who will moan and groan even louder if and when our start to the season is difficult. But to what end? How does it help? Or is their love for the club also conditional on uninterrupted success?

We need to stay positive. That will help - or at the very least it won't do any harm.
I don't usually read your ramblings but your post is on a serious note and as they say you have nailed it !!
Absolutely, well said both of you!
It is evident this is a step back, but could potentially lead to bigger steps forward. Much will depend on the new players coming in and how the squad gels together. 8th place would be a great target for this coming year with a better base to move up. Until we are willing to pay exorbitant wages it will be very hard to get into the top four. Sad but true.
[quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Of course, as is very evident, the core of fans are hurt when important players leave because the fans commitment to the club and the cause is not conditional - it's there through thick and thin. For the vast majority of players it is very conditional - conditional on higher wages or better perceived career prospects elsewhere. And perhaps that's understandable. That goes for Cortese too - and of course MoPo. Both were asked to stay on very high salaries and yet both chose to go because they were only Saints strictly on condition their own calculated interests were met and not bettered elsewhere. They did not leave for the club's benefit or the fans benefit - not for one split second. The club wasn't their love, it was just their employer. This all hurts (and we are likely yet to have Lovren and Spiderman's loss to bear too) because we cheer the players and the chairman and the manager on and understandably kid ourselves their feeling for the club is rather like ours. Then we find out - it isn't. Well - that's football nowadays. BUT the Liebherr family are certainly NOT here to make money - unlike all the aforementioned players and management officials. Apart from anything else they simply don't need to and if they did they'd have far better ways of making it than in an industry which is so notoriously risky and insanely unprofitable. Markus saved our club from oblivion and Katherina has now stepped in with continued family financial and personal support. She is still here. We need to keep the faith now and see what happens. I believe a lot of money will now be invested in new players via a respected new manager - and if the Liebherr family do eventually withdraw I believe it will be delivered carefully and thoughtfully into very good hands and on terms which are very good for the club and its future and not just good for the current owner. All this will make for a potentially difficult season - with so many new players and the new manager all needing to bed in. I'll now be happy if we stay safely away from relegation and see a new solid base to build from. Of course there are angry folk on here who want to throw mud at the owner now and who will moan and groan even louder if and when our start to the season is difficult. But to what end? How does it help? Or is their love for the club also conditional on uninterrupted success? We need to stay positive. That will help - or at the very least it won't do any harm.[/p][/quote]I don't usually read your ramblings but your post is on a serious note and as they say you have nailed it !![/p][/quote]Absolutely, well said both of you![/p][/quote]It is evident this is a step back, but could potentially lead to bigger steps forward. Much will depend on the new players coming in and how the squad gels together. 8th place would be a great target for this coming year with a better base to move up. Until we are willing to pay exorbitant wages it will be very hard to get into the top four. Sad but true. DisplacedFan
  • Score: -3

1:46pm Sat 28 Jun 14

just kidding says...

First statement from Koeman to the players Monday morning should be " You are all under contract and if we want you to stay you are staying" He should conclude with something like this " Things will be done differently round here from now on, get used to it. Now lets get to work"
First statement from Koeman to the players Monday morning should be " You are all under contract and if we want you to stay you are staying" He should conclude with something like this " Things will be done differently round here from now on, get used to it. Now lets get to work" just kidding
  • Score: 1

1:51pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Saint. says...

At best Adam this article is condescending to Saints fans!

I suppose Adam it depends on if you see Southampton FC glass half empty and in so doing so as you say accept our lot! Thank God you don't run the club!!

It is clear that the new board see otherwise and hopefully that the glass is halve full. KL has put a transfer kitty down to back this up! The club has also employed a top class manager! Many a spuds fans are miffed as to why they got MP when Koeman was on the market! The club in recent times laid the foundation down to challenge at the top. If you want to beat the best you have to challenge the best on equal footing as you can! Last year shows the club did and can! I'd we had another world class striker who knows what we might of done! The players travel first class, look at the coach. The training facilities are world class! The youth academy is world class!
At best Adam this article is condescending to Saints fans! I suppose Adam it depends on if you see Southampton FC glass half empty and in so doing so as you say accept our lot! Thank God you don't run the club!! It is clear that the new board see otherwise and hopefully that the glass is halve full. KL has put a transfer kitty down to back this up! The club has also employed a top class manager! Many a spuds fans are miffed as to why they got MP when Koeman was on the market! The club in recent times laid the foundation down to challenge at the top. If you want to beat the best you have to challenge the best on equal footing as you can! Last year shows the club did and can! I'd we had another world class striker who knows what we might of done! The players travel first class, look at the coach. The training facilities are world class! The youth academy is world class! Saint.
  • Score: 13

1:57pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Saint. says...

Oops sent by accidental, here's the rest

So everything is there to deliver and hope the new board are looking to win and challenge and unlike you Adam accept oh too easily our so called place!
The only real truth in your article is what Koeman has to say. He has not said anything yet, but may be he is a man who says go if you want to go!
Oops sent by accidental, here's the rest So everything is there to deliver and hope the new board are looking to win and challenge and unlike you Adam accept oh too easily our so called place! The only real truth in your article is what Koeman has to say. He has not said anything yet, but may be he is a man who says go if you want to go! Saint.
  • Score: 12

2:02pm Sat 28 Jun 14

search for truth says...

Here's an interesting thought to think about ?

Having lost their previous manager, Southampton's board replace him and sell off their key players for a small fortune.

The board pocket the spoils from the sales and replaces the players, spending a very small amount of the money raised and pursue the sale of the club to the highest bidder.

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Quote from Daily Telegraph

6:55PM BST 17 Aug 2010

Southampton, known as the Saints, had suffered several years of decline when Liebherr, previously unheard-of in Britain, emerged as a buyer in July 2009. The club had just been relegated from the Football League Championship to League One, having suffered a 10-point deduction because its parent company had gone into administration.

Bankruptcy threatened when a consortium led by the former Saints star Matt le Tissier withdrew a tentative offer. But Liebherr then stepped forward with a Swiss banker, Nicola Cortese, at his side, and made an offer for the club – within two hours of setting foot inside the St Mary's ground – that was believed to have been around £13 million.

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Assuming what I said earlier about the sale and replacement of players and the fact that Southampton are now in Premier League, now would be the right time to put the club on the market if you wanted to get out ( which the press have always said she wanted to do ). You would make a good profit over the £ 13 million paid for it when it was bought after being relegated to Div. 1.
Here's an interesting thought to think about ? Having lost their previous manager, Southampton's board replace him and sell off their key players for a small fortune. The board pocket the spoils from the sales and replaces the players, spending a very small amount of the money raised and pursue the sale of the club to the highest bidder. ---------- Quote from Daily Telegraph 6:55PM BST 17 Aug 2010 Southampton, known as the Saints, had suffered several years of decline when Liebherr, previously unheard-of in Britain, emerged as a buyer in July 2009. The club had just been relegated from the Football League Championship to League One, having suffered a 10-point deduction because its parent company had gone into administration. Bankruptcy threatened when a consortium led by the former Saints star Matt le Tissier withdrew a tentative offer. But Liebherr then stepped forward with a Swiss banker, Nicola Cortese, at his side, and made an offer for the club – within two hours of setting foot inside the St Mary's ground – that was believed to have been around £13 million. -------------------- --- Assuming what I said earlier about the sale and replacement of players and the fact that Southampton are now in Premier League, now would be the right time to put the club on the market if you wanted to get out ( which the press have always said she wanted to do ). You would make a good profit over the £ 13 million paid for it when it was bought after being relegated to Div. 1. search for truth
  • Score: 0

2:03pm Sat 28 Jun 14

St.Gaz says...

The way I see it if the full amount of transfer money is not spent and I mean the full amount the 30m? that was given to Roland when he sighned!
Plus any money's from players sales! That's least over £100m Then it we will be plain to everyone what the boards intentions are. plain and simple!
Then we can all stop bickering between are selves and aim are anger at the real problem southampton owner!
If you don't want it sell it simple?
The way I see it if the full amount of transfer money is not spent and I mean the full amount the 30m? that was given to Roland when he sighned! Plus any money's from players sales! That's least over £100m Then it we will be plain to everyone what the boards intentions are. plain and simple! Then we can all stop bickering between are selves and aim are anger at the real problem southampton owner! If you don't want it sell it simple? St.Gaz
  • Score: 2

2:06pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Saint. says...

Oops sent by accidental, here's the rest

So everything is there to deliver and hope the new board are looking to win and challenge and unlike you Adam accept oh too easily our so called place!
The only real truth in your article is what Koeman has to say. He has not said anything yet, but may be he is a man who says go if you want to go!

Your good news bad news is so weak!!

The only true question here Adam is apart from the obvious which is greed and massive salaries! Why are the players heads being turned? If it simply and only greed, do we have to match that greed, or do we find another way to compete. Because if Southampton FC do go on and win the league as unlikely to some as it may sound. Then winning silver ware is the other way to keep players here! As they'll always say I want CL and silver wear not money!
In short Adam, think small, STAY SMALL!!
Oops sent by accidental, here's the rest So everything is there to deliver and hope the new board are looking to win and challenge and unlike you Adam accept oh too easily our so called place! The only real truth in your article is what Koeman has to say. He has not said anything yet, but may be he is a man who says go if you want to go! Your good news bad news is so weak!! The only true question here Adam is apart from the obvious which is greed and massive salaries! Why are the players heads being turned? If it simply and only greed, do we have to match that greed, or do we find another way to compete. Because if Southampton FC do go on and win the league as unlikely to some as it may sound. Then winning silver ware is the other way to keep players here! As they'll always say I want CL and silver wear not money! In short Adam, think small, STAY SMALL!! Saint.
  • Score: 4

2:06pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Confucious wrote:
Of course, as is very evident, the core of fans are hurt when important players leave because the fans commitment to the club and the cause is not conditional - it's there through thick and thin. For the vast majority of players it is very conditional - conditional on higher wages or better perceived career prospects elsewhere. And perhaps that's understandable.

That goes for Cortese too - and of course MoPo. Both were asked to stay on very high salaries and yet both chose to go because they were only Saints strictly on condition their own calculated interests were met and not bettered elsewhere. They did not leave for the club's benefit or the fans benefit - not for one split second. The club wasn't their love, it was just their employer.

This all hurts (and we are likely yet to have Lovren and Spiderman's loss to bear too) because we cheer the players and the chairman and the manager on and understandably kid ourselves their feeling for the club is rather like ours. Then we find out - it isn't. Well - that's football nowadays.

BUT the Liebherr family are certainly NOT here to make money - unlike all the aforementioned players and management officials. Apart from anything else they simply don't need to and if they did they'd have far better ways of making it than in an industry which is so notoriously risky and insanely unprofitable.

Markus saved our club from oblivion and Katherina has now stepped in with continued family financial and personal support. She is still here.

We need to keep the faith now and see what happens. I believe a lot of money will now be invested in new players via a respected new manager - and if the Liebherr family do eventually withdraw I believe it will be delivered carefully and thoughtfully into very good hands and on terms which are very good for the club and its future and not just good for the current owner.

All this will make for a potentially difficult season - with so many new players and the new manager all needing to bed in. I'll now be happy if we stay safely away from relegation and see a new solid base to build from.

Of course there are angry folk on here who want to throw mud at the owner now and who will moan and groan even louder if and when our start to the season is difficult. But to what end? How does it help? Or is their love for the club also conditional on uninterrupted success?

We need to stay positive. That will help - or at the very least it won't do any harm.
Ok. But why not have sold the club to the right buyer intact? If she is as philanthropic as you suggest she could have picked a buyer, based on their credentials rather than maximising the sale price. She would still have got out with no cost to her or the family estate. And worshipped.

Love of the club based on conditional or uninterrupted success? You what? How the fack do you explain that to someone who has been there through the Lowe seasons of hanging on by our fingernails? Through relegation and mediocre championship years? Through Admin and Div1? We finally get the opportunity, the first in over 30 facking years, to achieve something and it gets snatched away? Please!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Of course, as is very evident, the core of fans are hurt when important players leave because the fans commitment to the club and the cause is not conditional - it's there through thick and thin. For the vast majority of players it is very conditional - conditional on higher wages or better perceived career prospects elsewhere. And perhaps that's understandable. That goes for Cortese too - and of course MoPo. Both were asked to stay on very high salaries and yet both chose to go because they were only Saints strictly on condition their own calculated interests were met and not bettered elsewhere. They did not leave for the club's benefit or the fans benefit - not for one split second. The club wasn't their love, it was just their employer. This all hurts (and we are likely yet to have Lovren and Spiderman's loss to bear too) because we cheer the players and the chairman and the manager on and understandably kid ourselves their feeling for the club is rather like ours. Then we find out - it isn't. Well - that's football nowadays. BUT the Liebherr family are certainly NOT here to make money - unlike all the aforementioned players and management officials. Apart from anything else they simply don't need to and if they did they'd have far better ways of making it than in an industry which is so notoriously risky and insanely unprofitable. Markus saved our club from oblivion and Katherina has now stepped in with continued family financial and personal support. She is still here. We need to keep the faith now and see what happens. I believe a lot of money will now be invested in new players via a respected new manager - and if the Liebherr family do eventually withdraw I believe it will be delivered carefully and thoughtfully into very good hands and on terms which are very good for the club and its future and not just good for the current owner. All this will make for a potentially difficult season - with so many new players and the new manager all needing to bed in. I'll now be happy if we stay safely away from relegation and see a new solid base to build from. Of course there are angry folk on here who want to throw mud at the owner now and who will moan and groan even louder if and when our start to the season is difficult. But to what end? How does it help? Or is their love for the club also conditional on uninterrupted success? We need to stay positive. That will help - or at the very least it won't do any harm.[/p][/quote]Ok. But why not have sold the club to the right buyer intact? If she is as philanthropic as you suggest she could have picked a buyer, based on their credentials rather than maximising the sale price. She would still have got out with no cost to her or the family estate. And worshipped. Love of the club based on conditional or uninterrupted success? You what? How the fack do you explain that to someone who has been there through the Lowe seasons of hanging on by our fingernails? Through relegation and mediocre championship years? Through Admin and Div1? We finally get the opportunity, the first in over 30 facking years, to achieve something and it gets snatched away? Please! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 5

2:39pm Sat 28 Jun 14

promised land says...

"It is a sad reality of football that Saints are nearly always going to lose their best young players, but that’s the Premier League. You have to accept it for what it is or look elsewhere for your sporting fix." Says Adam Leitch. Actually Adam it's not the Premier league but The Champions league (stupid title itself) that has resorted to creating an elitist league, where you can even come 4th and attract players because they can offer European football. And yes people may well look elsewhere for our sporting fix.
"It is a sad reality of football that Saints are nearly always going to lose their best young players, but that’s the Premier League. You have to accept it for what it is or look elsewhere for your sporting fix." Says Adam Leitch. Actually Adam it's not the Premier league but The Champions league (stupid title itself) that has resorted to creating an elitist league, where you can even come 4th and attract players because they can offer European football. And yes people may well look elsewhere for our sporting fix. promised land
  • Score: 0

2:41pm Sat 28 Jun 14

saintlysoul says...

PaulSnook wrote:
When in history has a club sold it's best players and gone on to better things?
Southampton following the sales of Walcott, Bale and the Ox!
[quote][p][bold]PaulSnook[/bold] wrote: When in history has a club sold it's best players and gone on to better things?[/p][/quote]Southampton following the sales of Walcott, Bale and the Ox! saintlysoul
  • Score: 4

3:14pm Sat 28 Jun 14

cebu blue says...

So what side will saint's fans be seeing this season?
So what side will saint's fans be seeing this season? cebu blue
  • Score: -1

3:16pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Rising_Son says...

Invidia wrote:
montecristosaint wrote:
express_a_view wrote:
i) Losing good players is never good news.
ii) The Premier League is though a cartel where those who have played, or have recently played, Champions League football have fiscal resources that other teams, including Saints, cannot currently hope to compete with. Nor is throwing money around guaranteed success - look at Spurs to prove that point.
iii) It is though sad that when non cartel clubs get their players selected for England international duty that this seems to be a forum where the poaching of players begins. The FA ought to just ponder whether this is a message they want to give to teams who invest in developing English talent. It would be sad if a visit from the England manager to a smaller club was seen as little more than a harbinger of doom that another player was leaving the fold.
iv) As a club Saints have two things in their favour. An outstanding production line of talent and the capacity to spend accumulated fees on new players. It is imperative they retain the first and do the second.
v) In reality Saints have exceeded all expectations. No one could have dreamt that we would have gone so swiftly from Rochdale away to beating Liverpool at Anfield and being the "best of the rest."
vi) The crux is do the board see this as the end of the journey or the starting point of the next phase. In five years time are we going to be bumbling along as a mid table side (or worse) or a team with a serious pretence to the upper echelons of the Premier League. I think we have to aspire to the second.
vii) Finally, clear out those who are going swiftly. Retaining those who it is in our interest to retain - even if it means ruffling a few feathers. Then rebuild the squad around the immense talent we already have and get behind the Saints. COYR.
Lets get something very clear. Miss Liebherr inherited the club from her father, and if she had one ounce of her father commitment Cortese would not have walked. Nor would Pochettino. All that has transpired since, and is now happening is due to her lack of commitment to her father s project. It s that simple. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply dreaming.
Liebherr recruited a couple of yes men, and in the case of Krueger someone who had no knowledge of football but who could be relied upon to soft soap the fans to avoid major repercussions including protests at the decisions taken by the club. All we have had is soundbites, and the reality has yet to dawn upon most Saints fans. We are in trouble, yet again. The whole of the first team , pretty much will be sold and we will be left with the academy and cheap imports to make up the numbers.
There will be no marquee signings whatever, and the club will look to recruit as cheaply as possible. Expect Bendtner to be the first of these next week.
I am looking to see through middle east contacts whether Liebherr is actively looking for a buyer for the club, my guess she is or is about to.
Montecristo if you believe what you have written to be true then the scenario you have betrayed can only be a good thing for SFC, as you seem to believe with KL and her board members working to sell the club then that can only be better than what we have right now and have an owner with ambition.

PS I seem to remember you not having many good words for NC in the past if you are just a knocker of whatever happens at St Mary's then you must be a very curious person.
I think you've found the cap that fits him.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]express_a_view[/bold] wrote: i) Losing good players is never good news. ii) The Premier League is though a cartel where those who have played, or have recently played, Champions League football have fiscal resources that other teams, including Saints, cannot currently hope to compete with. Nor is throwing money around guaranteed success - look at Spurs to prove that point. iii) It is though sad that when non cartel clubs get their players selected for England international duty that this seems to be a forum where the poaching of players begins. The FA ought to just ponder whether this is a message they want to give to teams who invest in developing English talent. It would be sad if a visit from the England manager to a smaller club was seen as little more than a harbinger of doom that another player was leaving the fold. iv) As a club Saints have two things in their favour. An outstanding production line of talent and the capacity to spend accumulated fees on new players. It is imperative they retain the first and do the second. v) In reality Saints have exceeded all expectations. No one could have dreamt that we would have gone so swiftly from Rochdale away to beating Liverpool at Anfield and being the "best of the rest." vi) The crux is do the board see this as the end of the journey or the starting point of the next phase. In five years time are we going to be bumbling along as a mid table side (or worse) or a team with a serious pretence to the upper echelons of the Premier League. I think we have to aspire to the second. vii) Finally, clear out those who are going swiftly. Retaining those who it is in our interest to retain - even if it means ruffling a few feathers. Then rebuild the squad around the immense talent we already have and get behind the Saints. COYR.[/p][/quote]Lets get something very clear. Miss Liebherr inherited the club from her father, and if she had one ounce of her father commitment Cortese would not have walked. Nor would Pochettino. All that has transpired since, and is now happening is due to her lack of commitment to her father s project. It s that simple. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply dreaming. Liebherr recruited a couple of yes men, and in the case of Krueger someone who had no knowledge of football but who could be relied upon to soft soap the fans to avoid major repercussions including protests at the decisions taken by the club. All we have had is soundbites, and the reality has yet to dawn upon most Saints fans. We are in trouble, yet again. The whole of the first team , pretty much will be sold and we will be left with the academy and cheap imports to make up the numbers. There will be no marquee signings whatever, and the club will look to recruit as cheaply as possible. Expect Bendtner to be the first of these next week. I am looking to see through middle east contacts whether Liebherr is actively looking for a buyer for the club, my guess she is or is about to.[/p][/quote]Montecristo if you believe what you have written to be true then the scenario you have betrayed can only be a good thing for SFC, as you seem to believe with KL and her board members working to sell the club then that can only be better than what we have right now and have an owner with ambition. PS I seem to remember you not having many good words for NC in the past if you are just a knocker of whatever happens at St Mary's then you must be a very curious person.[/p][/quote]I think you've found the cap that fits him. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

3:18pm Sat 28 Jun 14

costa gaz says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR.
Actually Lallana was an excellent player and Shaw will become a great left back.... but you really knew that didn't you?
Next you'll be telling us that pochettino was a carp coach and will soon be on the managerial scrapheap.
I will say it again for you an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA.
Bet they were both pretty good players last season eh ;-)
Were you not one of those saying the fees were not high enough over the last couple of weeks.
Make your mind up 12th Man
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR.[/p][/quote]Actually Lallana was an excellent player and Shaw will become a great left back.... but you really knew that didn't you? Next you'll be telling us that pochettino was a carp coach and will soon be on the managerial scrapheap.[/p][/quote]I will say it again for you an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA.[/p][/quote]Bet they were both pretty good players last season eh ;-) Were you not one of those saying the fees were not high enough over the last couple of weeks. Make your mind up 12th Man costa gaz
  • Score: 0

3:22pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Confucious says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Of course, as is very evident, the core of fans are hurt when important players leave because the fans commitment to the club and the cause is not conditional - it's there through thick and thin. For the vast majority of players it is very conditional - conditional on higher wages or better perceived career prospects elsewhere. And perhaps that's understandable.

That goes for Cortese too - and of course MoPo. Both were asked to stay on very high salaries and yet both chose to go because they were only Saints strictly on condition their own calculated interests were met and not bettered elsewhere. They did not leave for the club's benefit or the fans benefit - not for one split second. The club wasn't their love, it was just their employer.

This all hurts (and we are likely yet to have Lovren and Spiderman's loss to bear too) because we cheer the players and the chairman and the manager on and understandably kid ourselves their feeling for the club is rather like ours. Then we find out - it isn't. Well - that's football nowadays.

BUT the Liebherr family are certainly NOT here to make money - unlike all the aforementioned players and management officials. Apart from anything else they simply don't need to and if they did they'd have far better ways of making it than in an industry which is so notoriously risky and insanely unprofitable.

Markus saved our club from oblivion and Katherina has now stepped in with continued family financial and personal support. She is still here.

We need to keep the faith now and see what happens. I believe a lot of money will now be invested in new players via a respected new manager - and if the Liebherr family do eventually withdraw I believe it will be delivered carefully and thoughtfully into very good hands and on terms which are very good for the club and its future and not just good for the current owner.

All this will make for a potentially difficult season - with so many new players and the new manager all needing to bed in. I'll now be happy if we stay safely away from relegation and see a new solid base to build from.

Of course there are angry folk on here who want to throw mud at the owner now and who will moan and groan even louder if and when our start to the season is difficult. But to what end? How does it help? Or is their love for the club also conditional on uninterrupted success?

We need to stay positive. That will help - or at the very least it won't do any harm.
Ok. But why not have sold the club to the right buyer intact? If she is as philanthropic as you suggest she could have picked a buyer, based on their credentials rather than maximising the sale price. She would still have got out with no cost to her or the family estate. And worshipped.

Love of the club based on conditional or uninterrupted success? You what? How the fack do you explain that to someone who has been there through the Lowe seasons of hanging on by our fingernails? Through relegation and mediocre championship years? Through Admin and Div1? We finally get the opportunity, the first in over 30 facking years, to achieve something and it gets snatched away? Please!
So what should we do? Burn an effigy of Katherina outside the stadium - or hang one from a lamp post? Or since she won't invest - ask fans who own companies to sell them up and donate all the cash to an "Ambition Fund"?

You've been depressingly negative for weeks now Seed and I don't see what the continued negativity will achieve other than something negative. No-one is happy with what's happened since the season's end, but there's reason to see a better day over the horizon. Can't you take some prozac or something?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Of course, as is very evident, the core of fans are hurt when important players leave because the fans commitment to the club and the cause is not conditional - it's there through thick and thin. For the vast majority of players it is very conditional - conditional on higher wages or better perceived career prospects elsewhere. And perhaps that's understandable. That goes for Cortese too - and of course MoPo. Both were asked to stay on very high salaries and yet both chose to go because they were only Saints strictly on condition their own calculated interests were met and not bettered elsewhere. They did not leave for the club's benefit or the fans benefit - not for one split second. The club wasn't their love, it was just their employer. This all hurts (and we are likely yet to have Lovren and Spiderman's loss to bear too) because we cheer the players and the chairman and the manager on and understandably kid ourselves their feeling for the club is rather like ours. Then we find out - it isn't. Well - that's football nowadays. BUT the Liebherr family are certainly NOT here to make money - unlike all the aforementioned players and management officials. Apart from anything else they simply don't need to and if they did they'd have far better ways of making it than in an industry which is so notoriously risky and insanely unprofitable. Markus saved our club from oblivion and Katherina has now stepped in with continued family financial and personal support. She is still here. We need to keep the faith now and see what happens. I believe a lot of money will now be invested in new players via a respected new manager - and if the Liebherr family do eventually withdraw I believe it will be delivered carefully and thoughtfully into very good hands and on terms which are very good for the club and its future and not just good for the current owner. All this will make for a potentially difficult season - with so many new players and the new manager all needing to bed in. I'll now be happy if we stay safely away from relegation and see a new solid base to build from. Of course there are angry folk on here who want to throw mud at the owner now and who will moan and groan even louder if and when our start to the season is difficult. But to what end? How does it help? Or is their love for the club also conditional on uninterrupted success? We need to stay positive. That will help - or at the very least it won't do any harm.[/p][/quote]Ok. But why not have sold the club to the right buyer intact? If she is as philanthropic as you suggest she could have picked a buyer, based on their credentials rather than maximising the sale price. She would still have got out with no cost to her or the family estate. And worshipped. Love of the club based on conditional or uninterrupted success? You what? How the fack do you explain that to someone who has been there through the Lowe seasons of hanging on by our fingernails? Through relegation and mediocre championship years? Through Admin and Div1? We finally get the opportunity, the first in over 30 facking years, to achieve something and it gets snatched away? Please![/p][/quote]So what should we do? Burn an effigy of Katherina outside the stadium - or hang one from a lamp post? Or since she won't invest - ask fans who own companies to sell them up and donate all the cash to an "Ambition Fund"? You've been depressingly negative for weeks now Seed and I don't see what the continued negativity will achieve other than something negative. No-one is happy with what's happened since the season's end, but there's reason to see a better day over the horizon. Can't you take some prozac or something? Confucious
  • Score: 3

3:27pm Sat 28 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR.
Actually Lallana was an excellent player and Shaw will become a great left back.... but you really knew that didn't you?
Next you'll be telling us that pochettino was a carp coach and will soon be on the managerial scrapheap.
I will say it again for you an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA.
Bet they were both pretty good players last season eh ;-)
Were you not one of those saying the fees were not high enough over the last couple of weeks.
Make your mind up 12th Man
An average defender, One trick pony Lallana.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: The only way the sale of Shaw and Lallana will be good for SAINTS is if the money is used wisely to buy suitable replacements for an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA, any other players who do not wish to play for SAINTS get rid. If we use the money wisely we will be fine I am sure COYR.[/p][/quote]Actually Lallana was an excellent player and Shaw will become a great left back.... but you really knew that didn't you? Next you'll be telling us that pochettino was a carp coach and will soon be on the managerial scrapheap.[/p][/quote]I will say it again for you an average defender SHAW and a one trick poney midfielder LALLANA.[/p][/quote]Bet they were both pretty good players last season eh ;-) Were you not one of those saying the fees were not high enough over the last couple of weeks. Make your mind up 12th Man[/p][/quote]An average defender, One trick pony Lallana. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 1

3:29pm Sat 28 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

cebu blue wrote:
So what side will saint's fans be seeing this season?
A better side than the poopey fans down the road.
[quote][p][bold]cebu blue[/bold] wrote: So what side will saint's fans be seeing this season?[/p][/quote]A better side than the poopey fans down the road. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 1

3:41pm Sat 28 Jun 14

loosehead says...

Why play as an average Premier league team? Who says Saints fans just want that?
Look at the football league history who were the big clubs back then & where are they now(Portsmouth,Prest
on?)
Liverpool came through the ranks with us,I remember Man U being in the old league two with us.
We could become a "BIG" club & like Liverpool did when a player puts in a transfer requested sit on him until the windows closed & offer him the choice play for the first team fully motivated or sit in the reserves ?
Make these players stick to 5 year contracts or ban them from playing for the remaining time of the contracts.
The Echo has got this so wrong Saints Fans want to be a big club or can't the journalists see that?
Why play as an average Premier league team? Who says Saints fans just want that? Look at the football league history who were the big clubs back then & where are they now(Portsmouth,Prest on?) Liverpool came through the ranks with us,I remember Man U being in the old league two with us. We could become a "BIG" club & like Liverpool did when a player puts in a transfer requested sit on him until the windows closed & offer him the choice play for the first team fully motivated or sit in the reserves ? Make these players stick to 5 year contracts or ban them from playing for the remaining time of the contracts. The Echo has got this so wrong Saints Fans want to be a big club or can't the journalists see that? loosehead
  • Score: 1

3:41pm Sat 28 Jun 14

loosehead says...

Why play as an average Premier league team? Who says Saints fans just want that?
Look at the football league history who were the big clubs back then & where are they now(Portsmouth,Prest
on?)
Liverpool came through the ranks with us,I remember Man U being in the old league two with us.
We could become a "BIG" club & like Liverpool did when a player puts in a transfer requested sit on him until the windows closed & offer him the choice play for the first team fully motivated or sit in the reserves ?
Make these players stick to 5 year contracts or ban them from playing for the remaining time of the contracts.
The Echo has got this so wrong Saints Fans want to be a big club or can't the journalists see that?
Why play as an average Premier league team? Who says Saints fans just want that? Look at the football league history who were the big clubs back then & where are they now(Portsmouth,Prest on?) Liverpool came through the ranks with us,I remember Man U being in the old league two with us. We could become a "BIG" club & like Liverpool did when a player puts in a transfer requested sit on him until the windows closed & offer him the choice play for the first team fully motivated or sit in the reserves ? Make these players stick to 5 year contracts or ban them from playing for the remaining time of the contracts. The Echo has got this so wrong Saints Fans want to be a big club or can't the journalists see that? loosehead
  • Score: 0

3:52pm Sat 28 Jun 14

costa gaz says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
According to some press reports Lovren and Morgan have been put up for sale by the club.
Got a link?
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: According to some press reports Lovren and Morgan have been put up for sale by the club.[/p][/quote]Got a link? costa gaz
  • Score: 0

3:54pm Sat 28 Jun 14

redandy10 says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
On Talksport this morning they Danny Kelly & Clive Allen were musing on whether we would be able to replace those we are going to lose, with players of similar ability. They didn't seem to be optimistic on that front!!! They were also talking as if Lovren & Morgan are as good as out the door. They said that one departure would create unrest, or as I labelled it a few months ago "The Dominio Effect".

The only positive is that we have a manager with a solid reputation abroad, which will increase our pulling power in the market. We need a quality big name buy to demonstrate our ambition, if one joins it would encourage others. At present we reek of a club ON THE ROPES. We need to change the perception and QUICK!!!
That’s a fair assessment. I’d like to think Koeman was not oblivious to the potential impending exodus which I’m sure has not ended yet. His reputation is on the line here, so I’m hoping there will be some positivity to negate all this disappointment otherwise why would he take on the job?
We’ve all shared our opinions on here as Saints fans in the last couple of months of what has been an extraordinary set of circumstances at a football club.
We are Southampton and there is never a dull moment, you’ve been around long enough to know that.

If we are a like boxer on the ropes, I hope it can be likened to the majestic Muhammad Ali in the Rumble in the Jungle. We have taken a lot of sustained punches from Foreman (read Top 4 vultures and gutter press) but we come out and deliver the final knockout punch.
The Rope a dope! Ali loosened the ring ropes before the fight and defeated the awesome Foreman, the most fearsome fighter since Sonny Liston. I just hope we replace the players we lose with some real talent.

What I can't get my head around is the apathy of some supporters. We were a season away from European qualification, only to lose Poch and the spine of the team, but you wouldn't think that going by some of the comments above. It's almost as if winning doesn't matter, as long as we compete. They seem to think that we are taking part in some Mickey Mouse school sports day!!!

Rome is burning but some of us seem to persist in overreacting!
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: On Talksport this morning they Danny Kelly & Clive Allen were musing on whether we would be able to replace those we are going to lose, with players of similar ability. They didn't seem to be optimistic on that front!!! They were also talking as if Lovren & Morgan are as good as out the door. They said that one departure would create unrest, or as I labelled it a few months ago "The Dominio Effect". The only positive is that we have a manager with a solid reputation abroad, which will increase our pulling power in the market. We need a quality big name buy to demonstrate our ambition, if one joins it would encourage others. At present we reek of a club ON THE ROPES. We need to change the perception and QUICK!!![/p][/quote]That’s a fair assessment. I’d like to think Koeman was not oblivious to the potential impending exodus which I’m sure has not ended yet. His reputation is on the line here, so I’m hoping there will be some positivity to negate all this disappointment otherwise why would he take on the job? We’ve all shared our opinions on here as Saints fans in the last couple of months of what has been an extraordinary set of circumstances at a football club. We are Southampton and there is never a dull moment, you’ve been around long enough to know that. If we are a like boxer on the ropes, I hope it can be likened to the majestic Muhammad Ali in the Rumble in the Jungle. We have taken a lot of sustained punches from Foreman (read Top 4 vultures and gutter press) but we come out and deliver the final knockout punch.[/p][/quote]The Rope a dope! Ali loosened the ring ropes before the fight and defeated the awesome Foreman, the most fearsome fighter since Sonny Liston. I just hope we replace the players we lose with some real talent. What I can't get my head around is the apathy of some supporters. We were a season away from European qualification, only to lose Poch and the spine of the team, but you wouldn't think that going by some of the comments above. It's almost as if winning doesn't matter, as long as we compete. They seem to think that we are taking part in some Mickey Mouse school sports day!!! Rome is burning but some of us seem to persist in overreacting! redandy10
  • Score: 1

3:58pm Sat 28 Jun 14

redandy10 says...

costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
According to some press reports Lovren and Morgan have been put up for sale by the club.
Got a link?
On TalkSport this morning they were pretty much saying the same thing. And they were questioning the logic of the club for allowing them to leave, it confused me because Danny Kelly was almost insuating that we were allowing it to happen.

I think these player's agents probably made their players intentions known to the club before the World Cup. I don't want to see them go, but if that is the level of loyalty they can both do one!
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: According to some press reports Lovren and Morgan have been put up for sale by the club.[/p][/quote]Got a link?[/p][/quote]On TalkSport this morning they were pretty much saying the same thing. And they were questioning the logic of the club for allowing them to leave, it confused me because Danny Kelly was almost insuating that we were allowing it to happen. I think these player's agents probably made their players intentions known to the club before the World Cup. I don't want to see them go, but if that is the level of loyalty they can both do one! redandy10
  • Score: -1

4:00pm Sat 28 Jun 14

costa gaz says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
PaulSnook wrote:
When in history has a club sold it's best players and gone on to better things?
Man Utd sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season.
Paul Snook said players , the plural.
Most teams can cope with losing one player, Paul is talking losing our best players.
And the ones we have lost so far along with the ones we may be about to lose are very, very good players, all internationals commanding huge fees and going to massive clubs who will only want the best.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulSnook[/bold] wrote: When in history has a club sold it's best players and gone on to better things?[/p][/quote]Man Utd sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season.[/p][/quote]Paul Snook said players , the plural. Most teams can cope with losing one player, Paul is talking losing our best players. And the ones we have lost so far along with the ones we may be about to lose are very, very good players, all internationals commanding huge fees and going to massive clubs who will only want the best. costa gaz
  • Score: 0

4:02pm Sat 28 Jun 14

costa gaz says...

just kidding wrote:
First statement from Koeman to the players Monday morning should be " You are all under contract and if we want you to stay you are staying" He should conclude with something like this " Things will be done differently round here from now on, get used to it. Now lets get to work"
You are just kidding ..right?
[quote][p][bold]just kidding[/bold] wrote: First statement from Koeman to the players Monday morning should be " You are all under contract and if we want you to stay you are staying" He should conclude with something like this " Things will be done differently round here from now on, get used to it. Now lets get to work"[/p][/quote]You are just kidding ..right? costa gaz
  • Score: -1

4:08pm Sat 28 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
PaulSnook wrote:
When in history has a club sold it's best players and gone on to better things?
Man Utd sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season.
Paul Snook said players , the plural.
Most teams can cope with losing one player, Paul is talking losing our best players.
And the ones we have lost so far along with the ones we may be about to lose are very, very good players, all internationals commanding huge fees and going to massive clubs who will only want the best.
They still sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season, be it plural or non plural who cares.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulSnook[/bold] wrote: When in history has a club sold it's best players and gone on to better things?[/p][/quote]Man Utd sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season.[/p][/quote]Paul Snook said players , the plural. Most teams can cope with losing one player, Paul is talking losing our best players. And the ones we have lost so far along with the ones we may be about to lose are very, very good players, all internationals commanding huge fees and going to massive clubs who will only want the best.[/p][/quote]They still sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season, be it plural or non plural who cares. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 1

4:19pm Sat 28 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
According to some press reports Lovren and Morgan have been put up for sale by the club.
Got a link?
On TalkSport this morning they were pretty much saying the same thing. And they were questioning the logic of the club for allowing them to leave, it confused me because Danny Kelly was almost insuating that we were allowing it to happen.

I think these player's agents probably made their players intentions known to the club before the World Cup. I don't want to see them go, but if that is the level of loyalty they can both do one!
There is nothing worse than having sulking football players hanging around the club, if they do not wish to play for the club they are are better off being sold, get players in who do want to play for the club.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: According to some press reports Lovren and Morgan have been put up for sale by the club.[/p][/quote]Got a link?[/p][/quote]On TalkSport this morning they were pretty much saying the same thing. And they were questioning the logic of the club for allowing them to leave, it confused me because Danny Kelly was almost insuating that we were allowing it to happen. I think these player's agents probably made their players intentions known to the club before the World Cup. I don't want to see them go, but if that is the level of loyalty they can both do one![/p][/quote]There is nothing worse than having sulking football players hanging around the club, if they do not wish to play for the club they are are better off being sold, get players in who do want to play for the club. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 0

4:21pm Sat 28 Jun 14

costa gaz says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
PaulSnook wrote:
When in history has a club sold it's best players and gone on to better things?
Man Utd sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season.
Paul Snook said players , the plural.
Most teams can cope with losing one player, Paul is talking losing our best players.
And the ones we have lost so far along with the ones we may be about to lose are very, very good players, all internationals commanding huge fees and going to massive clubs who will only want the best.
They still sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season, be it plural or non plural who cares.
We are talking about losing possibly up to 6 players, 6 very good players.
6 first teamers who have all been fantastic for us, enabling us to reach our best ever premier league finish..
We are not talking average players or one trick ponies here 12th man, but international standard players.
If we can improve on last season with this loss, the I'm a dutchman.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulSnook[/bold] wrote: When in history has a club sold it's best players and gone on to better things?[/p][/quote]Man Utd sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season.[/p][/quote]Paul Snook said players , the plural. Most teams can cope with losing one player, Paul is talking losing our best players. And the ones we have lost so far along with the ones we may be about to lose are very, very good players, all internationals commanding huge fees and going to massive clubs who will only want the best.[/p][/quote]They still sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season, be it plural or non plural who cares.[/p][/quote]We are talking about losing possibly up to 6 players, 6 very good players. 6 first teamers who have all been fantastic for us, enabling us to reach our best ever premier league finish.. We are not talking average players or one trick ponies here 12th man, but international standard players. If we can improve on last season with this loss, the I'm a dutchman. costa gaz
  • Score: 1

4:39pm Sat 28 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
PaulSnook wrote:
When in history has a club sold it's best players and gone on to better things?
Man Utd sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season.
Paul Snook said players , the plural.
Most teams can cope with losing one player, Paul is talking losing our best players.
And the ones we have lost so far along with the ones we may be about to lose are very, very good players, all internationals commanding huge fees and going to massive clubs who will only want the best.
They still sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season, be it plural or non plural who cares.
We are talking about losing possibly up to 6 players, 6 very good players.
6 first teamers who have all been fantastic for us, enabling us to reach our best ever premier league finish..
We are not talking average players or one trick ponies here 12th man, but international standard players.
If we can improve on last season with this loss, the I'm a dutchman.
We can argue about this subject all night, but if we lose six players then i am afraid there is nothing me or you can do about it, they are only football players and life goes on, i won't loose any sleep over them thats for sure.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulSnook[/bold] wrote: When in history has a club sold it's best players and gone on to better things?[/p][/quote]Man Utd sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season.[/p][/quote]Paul Snook said players , the plural. Most teams can cope with losing one player, Paul is talking losing our best players. And the ones we have lost so far along with the ones we may be about to lose are very, very good players, all internationals commanding huge fees and going to massive clubs who will only want the best.[/p][/quote]They still sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season, be it plural or non plural who cares.[/p][/quote]We are talking about losing possibly up to 6 players, 6 very good players. 6 first teamers who have all been fantastic for us, enabling us to reach our best ever premier league finish.. We are not talking average players or one trick ponies here 12th man, but international standard players. If we can improve on last season with this loss, the I'm a dutchman.[/p][/quote]We can argue about this subject all night, but if we lose six players then i am afraid there is nothing me or you can do about it, they are only football players and life goes on, i won't loose any sleep over them thats for sure. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 2

4:59pm Sat 28 Jun 14

echo1948 says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
PaulSnook wrote:
When in history has a club sold it's best players and gone on to better things?
Man Utd sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season.
Paul Snook said players , the plural.
Most teams can cope with losing one player, Paul is talking losing our best players.
And the ones we have lost so far along with the ones we may be about to lose are very, very good players, all internationals commanding huge fees and going to massive clubs who will only want the best.
They still sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season, be it plural or non plural who cares.
We are talking about losing possibly up to 6 players, 6 very good players.
6 first teamers who have all been fantastic for us, enabling us to reach our best ever premier league finish..
We are not talking average players or one trick ponies here 12th man, but international standard players.
If we can improve on last season with this loss, the I'm a dutchman.
We can argue about this subject all night, but if we lose six players then i am afraid there is nothing me or you can do about it, they are only football players and life goes on, i won't loose any sleep over them thats for sure.
After reading all the comments on this site, I still reckon we are in deep do-do as far as building a decent side for next season.We,ll end up playing the "kids" and no matter how good they are they will not be able to sustain a level of football indicative to the Premier League. Ican only see a season of struggle, or possibly relegation if all the rumour players leave.Sorry but I hope I,m wrong.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulSnook[/bold] wrote: When in history has a club sold it's best players and gone on to better things?[/p][/quote]Man Utd sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season.[/p][/quote]Paul Snook said players , the plural. Most teams can cope with losing one player, Paul is talking losing our best players. And the ones we have lost so far along with the ones we may be about to lose are very, very good players, all internationals commanding huge fees and going to massive clubs who will only want the best.[/p][/quote]They still sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season, be it plural or non plural who cares.[/p][/quote]We are talking about losing possibly up to 6 players, 6 very good players. 6 first teamers who have all been fantastic for us, enabling us to reach our best ever premier league finish.. We are not talking average players or one trick ponies here 12th man, but international standard players. If we can improve on last season with this loss, the I'm a dutchman.[/p][/quote]We can argue about this subject all night, but if we lose six players then i am afraid there is nothing me or you can do about it, they are only football players and life goes on, i won't loose any sleep over them thats for sure.[/p][/quote]After reading all the comments on this site, I still reckon we are in deep do-do as far as building a decent side for next season.We,ll end up playing the "kids" and no matter how good they are they will not be able to sustain a level of football indicative to the Premier League. Ican only see a season of struggle, or possibly relegation if all the rumour players leave.Sorry but I hope I,m wrong. echo1948
  • Score: 0

5:06pm Sat 28 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

echo1948 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
PaulSnook wrote:
When in history has a club sold it's best players and gone on to better things?
Man Utd sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season.
Paul Snook said players , the plural.
Most teams can cope with losing one player, Paul is talking losing our best players.
And the ones we have lost so far along with the ones we may be about to lose are very, very good players, all internationals commanding huge fees and going to massive clubs who will only want the best.
They still sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season, be it plural or non plural who cares.
We are talking about losing possibly up to 6 players, 6 very good players.
6 first teamers who have all been fantastic for us, enabling us to reach our best ever premier league finish..
We are not talking average players or one trick ponies here 12th man, but international standard players.
If we can improve on last season with this loss, the I'm a dutchman.
We can argue about this subject all night, but if we lose six players then i am afraid there is nothing me or you can do about it, they are only football players and life goes on, i won't loose any sleep over them thats for sure.
After reading all the comments on this site, I still reckon we are in deep do-do as far as building a decent side for next season.We,ll end up playing the "kids" and no matter how good they are they will not be able to sustain a level of football indicative to the Premier League. Ican only see a season of struggle, or possibly relegation if all the rumour players leave.Sorry but I hope I,m wrong.
I hope you are wrong as well, but only time will tell.
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulSnook[/bold] wrote: When in history has a club sold it's best players and gone on to better things?[/p][/quote]Man Utd sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season.[/p][/quote]Paul Snook said players , the plural. Most teams can cope with losing one player, Paul is talking losing our best players. And the ones we have lost so far along with the ones we may be about to lose are very, very good players, all internationals commanding huge fees and going to massive clubs who will only want the best.[/p][/quote]They still sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season, be it plural or non plural who cares.[/p][/quote]We are talking about losing possibly up to 6 players, 6 very good players. 6 first teamers who have all been fantastic for us, enabling us to reach our best ever premier league finish.. We are not talking average players or one trick ponies here 12th man, but international standard players. If we can improve on last season with this loss, the I'm a dutchman.[/p][/quote]We can argue about this subject all night, but if we lose six players then i am afraid there is nothing me or you can do about it, they are only football players and life goes on, i won't loose any sleep over them thats for sure.[/p][/quote]After reading all the comments on this site, I still reckon we are in deep do-do as far as building a decent side for next season.We,ll end up playing the "kids" and no matter how good they are they will not be able to sustain a level of football indicative to the Premier League. Ican only see a season of struggle, or possibly relegation if all the rumour players leave.Sorry but I hope I,m wrong.[/p][/quote]I hope you are wrong as well, but only time will tell. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 0

6:40pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Chapperall says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
PaulSnook wrote:
When in history has a club sold it's best players and gone on to better things?
Man Utd sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season.
Paul Snook said players , the plural.
Most teams can cope with losing one player, Paul is talking losing our best players.
And the ones we have lost so far along with the ones we may be about to lose are very, very good players, all internationals commanding huge fees and going to massive clubs who will only want the best.
They still sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season, be it plural or non plural who cares.
We are talking about losing possibly up to 6 players, 6 very good players.
6 first teamers who have all been fantastic for us, enabling us to reach our best ever premier league finish..
We are not talking average players or one trick ponies here 12th man, but international standard players.
If we can improve on last season with this loss, the I'm a dutchman.
We can argue about this subject all night, but if we lose six players then i am afraid there is nothing me or you can do about it, they are only football players and life goes on, i won't loose any sleep over them thats for sure.
After reading all the comments on this site, I still reckon we are in deep do-do as far as building a decent side for next season.We,ll end up playing the "kids" and no matter how good they are they will not be able to sustain a level of football indicative to the Premier League. Ican only see a season of struggle, or possibly relegation if all the rumour players leave.Sorry but I hope I,m wrong.
I hope you are wrong as well, but only time will tell.
Yes I hope you are wrong as well. All this stuff makes depressing reading. It's tough being a Saints supporter at the moment but trying to stay positive. Things will feel better when we see some big signings!
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulSnook[/bold] wrote: When in history has a club sold it's best players and gone on to better things?[/p][/quote]Man Utd sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season.[/p][/quote]Paul Snook said players , the plural. Most teams can cope with losing one player, Paul is talking losing our best players. And the ones we have lost so far along with the ones we may be about to lose are very, very good players, all internationals commanding huge fees and going to massive clubs who will only want the best.[/p][/quote]They still sold Ronaldo and won the league the following season, be it plural or non plural who cares.[/p][/quote]We are talking about losing possibly up to 6 players, 6 very good players. 6 first teamers who have all been fantastic for us, enabling us to reach our best ever premier league finish.. We are not talking average players or one trick ponies here 12th man, but international standard players. If we can improve on last season with this loss, the I'm a dutchman.[/p][/quote]We can argue about this subject all night, but if we lose six players then i am afraid there is nothing me or you can do about it, they are only football players and life goes on, i won't loose any sleep over them thats for sure.[/p][/quote]After reading all the comments on this site, I still reckon we are in deep do-do as far as building a decent side for next season.We,ll end up playing the "kids" and no matter how good they are they will not be able to sustain a level of football indicative to the Premier League. Ican only see a season of struggle, or possibly relegation if all the rumour players leave.Sorry but I hope I,m wrong.[/p][/quote]I hope you are wrong as well, but only time will tell.[/p][/quote]Yes I hope you are wrong as well. All this stuff makes depressing reading. It's tough being a Saints supporter at the moment but trying to stay positive. Things will feel better when we see some big signings! Chapperall
  • Score: 2

10:13pm Sat 28 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Sack the board!!
Where is ralphie boy?? He has been quiet lately.old les running round in his farahs trying to keep Morgan and Dejan from going.this is a joke.a really bad one.it doesn't matter who they get in now because they only have 6 weeks to gel and that is not going to happen.
If les signs bendtner we know we are in for a relegation battle.
Perhaps you'd like to explain to us how we sack the board 2toilets. I believe you or maybe it was 3shits who said it before. I am still awaiting an explanation please.

If Bendtner signs he won't cost a penny so stop whining.

While we're at it please explain to us and the board you're going to sack how we keep Morgan and Dejan if they want to go and it appears they are planning to go.

So c'mon brain surgeon educate the world all about your cunning stunt.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Sack the board!! Where is ralphie boy?? He has been quiet lately.old les running round in his farahs trying to keep Morgan and Dejan from going.this is a joke.a really bad one.it doesn't matter who they get in now because they only have 6 weeks to gel and that is not going to happen. If les signs bendtner we know we are in for a relegation battle.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you'd like to explain to us how we sack the board 2toilets. I believe you or maybe it was 3shits who said it before. I am still awaiting an explanation please. If Bendtner signs he won't cost a penny so stop whining. While we're at it please explain to us and the board you're going to sack how we keep Morgan and Dejan if they want to go and it appears they are planning to go. So c'mon brain surgeon educate the world all about your cunning stunt. jls217
  • Score: 0

10:18pm Sat 28 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Mister E wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
I think a little perspective needs to be taken here. You really can't hold on to a player if he really wants to leave - not even the big clubs are immune, Ronaldo from United, Bale from Spurs etc. Lambert going was fully understandable given the circumstances and good business. Shaw is equally inevitable. At his age it's easy to turn his head, by agents, by parents, by friends. Imagine you're his parent, what would you say to him? Most would say, here's your chance to set yourself set up, you may get injured and have to pack in football but here you can earn enough in one season to set you up for life. You can go on to win lots of trophies and who knows, look at Bale, you could go further. That's what I'd tell my son, what decent parent wanting the best for their child wouldn't? As for Lallana, he's approaching 27 been fanatically loyal to us and is a delight to watch. BUT last season was about the first he hasn't got injured in the winter and been out for quite for a while. So for him this is his chance to win some medals, play in the Champions League and really test himself at the highest level. I think he'd love to do that for Saints but we're a way off being able to offer that yet. I would say, even put money on it, that his decision to leave is a case of the head ruling the heart. Lovren? Been here one season, foreign, no ties to the club or area, on a career path, used us as a stepping stone, looking for glory and a big pay day (ditto Pochettino). The Premiership is over populated with overseas players like that. Good player but I won't shed a tear if he goes - there will be others to replace him. Schneiderlin? He's the one I'll be most sorry to see go IF indeed he does. He's a better player than Lallana in my view and holds our midfield together. And as he proved in his full game for France he is adaptable and able to play in different positions. Between him and Lallana he easily had the more impressive World Cup - and is still there! But look, as things currently stand we have just appointed a really good manager with a far superior CV to the last incumbent, who has a huge budget to play with and who still has Boruc, Clyne, Chambers, Fonte, Schneiderlin, Wanyama, Ramirez (a good player we've yet to see the best of), Davis, Ward Powse, Rodriguez and a host of young England internationals to work with. So come on folks. This is the real world world we're in along with 19 other clubs in the Premiership and frankly, sad though it may be to lose some heroes and legends, we ain't looking that bad and there's an awful lot to look forward to. I bet most fans at the majority of this 19 other clubs are looking at us a little enviously right now, along with their managers!
Absolutely.
A little calm perspective and realism, well said.
Like this post a lot.
Only one flaw with it, we are not going to have Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Rodriguez or Ward Prowse and for all we know one or two of the other also. Hope I'm wrong but odds on these lads are on the train before kick off.

Thumbs up regardless.
[quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: I think a little perspective needs to be taken here. You really can't hold on to a player if he really wants to leave - not even the big clubs are immune, Ronaldo from United, Bale from Spurs etc. Lambert going was fully understandable given the circumstances and good business. Shaw is equally inevitable. At his age it's easy to turn his head, by agents, by parents, by friends. Imagine you're his parent, what would you say to him? Most would say, here's your chance to set yourself set up, you may get injured and have to pack in football but here you can earn enough in one season to set you up for life. You can go on to win lots of trophies and who knows, look at Bale, you could go further. That's what I'd tell my son, what decent parent wanting the best for their child wouldn't? As for Lallana, he's approaching 27 been fanatically loyal to us and is a delight to watch. BUT last season was about the first he hasn't got injured in the winter and been out for quite for a while. So for him this is his chance to win some medals, play in the Champions League and really test himself at the highest level. I think he'd love to do that for Saints but we're a way off being able to offer that yet. I would say, even put money on it, that his decision to leave is a case of the head ruling the heart. Lovren? Been here one season, foreign, no ties to the club or area, on a career path, used us as a stepping stone, looking for glory and a big pay day (ditto Pochettino). The Premiership is over populated with overseas players like that. Good player but I won't shed a tear if he goes - there will be others to replace him. Schneiderlin? He's the one I'll be most sorry to see go IF indeed he does. He's a better player than Lallana in my view and holds our midfield together. And as he proved in his full game for France he is adaptable and able to play in different positions. Between him and Lallana he easily had the more impressive World Cup - and is still there! But look, as things currently stand we have just appointed a really good manager with a far superior CV to the last incumbent, who has a huge budget to play with and who still has Boruc, Clyne, Chambers, Fonte, Schneiderlin, Wanyama, Ramirez (a good player we've yet to see the best of), Davis, Ward Powse, Rodriguez and a host of young England internationals to work with. So come on folks. This is the real world world we're in along with 19 other clubs in the Premiership and frankly, sad though it may be to lose some heroes and legends, we ain't looking that bad and there's an awful lot to look forward to. I bet most fans at the majority of this 19 other clubs are looking at us a little enviously right now, along with their managers![/p][/quote]Absolutely. A little calm perspective and realism, well said.[/p][/quote]Like this post a lot. Only one flaw with it, we are not going to have Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Rodriguez or Ward Prowse and for all we know one or two of the other also. Hope I'm wrong but odds on these lads are on the train before kick off. Thumbs up regardless. jls217
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11:23pm Sat 28 Jun 14

VintageSoutherner says...

Mate of mine was in Greece last week and met Koeman and his brother in a bar. Told him Lallana and Shaw were going and also mentioned a keeper was on his way out.. Although he cant remember the name as he was f***** at the point they met
Mate of mine was in Greece last week and met Koeman and his brother in a bar. Told him Lallana and Shaw were going and also mentioned a keeper was on his way out.. Although he cant remember the name as he was f***** at the point they met VintageSoutherner
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6:28am Sun 29 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

jls217 wrote:
Mister E wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
I think a little perspective needs to be taken here. You really can't hold on to a player if he really wants to leave - not even the big clubs are immune, Ronaldo from United, Bale from Spurs etc. Lambert going was fully understandable given the circumstances and good business. Shaw is equally inevitable. At his age it's easy to turn his head, by agents, by parents, by friends. Imagine you're his parent, what would you say to him? Most would say, here's your chance to set yourself set up, you may get injured and have to pack in football but here you can earn enough in one season to set you up for life. You can go on to win lots of trophies and who knows, look at Bale, you could go further. That's what I'd tell my son, what decent parent wanting the best for their child wouldn't? As for Lallana, he's approaching 27 been fanatically loyal to us and is a delight to watch. BUT last season was about the first he hasn't got injured in the winter and been out for quite for a while. So for him this is his chance to win some medals, play in the Champions League and really test himself at the highest level. I think he'd love to do that for Saints but we're a way off being able to offer that yet. I would say, even put money on it, that his decision to leave is a case of the head ruling the heart. Lovren? Been here one season, foreign, no ties to the club or area, on a career path, used us as a stepping stone, looking for glory and a big pay day (ditto Pochettino). The Premiership is over populated with overseas players like that. Good player but I won't shed a tear if he goes - there will be others to replace him. Schneiderlin? He's the one I'll be most sorry to see go IF indeed he does. He's a better player than Lallana in my view and holds our midfield together. And as he proved in his full game for France he is adaptable and able to play in different positions. Between him and Lallana he easily had the more impressive World Cup - and is still there! But look, as things currently stand we have just appointed a really good manager with a far superior CV to the last incumbent, who has a huge budget to play with and who still has Boruc, Clyne, Chambers, Fonte, Schneiderlin, Wanyama, Ramirez (a good player we've yet to see the best of), Davis, Ward Powse, Rodriguez and a host of young England internationals to work with. So come on folks. This is the real world world we're in along with 19 other clubs in the Premiership and frankly, sad though it may be to lose some heroes and legends, we ain't looking that bad and there's an awful lot to look forward to. I bet most fans at the majority of this 19 other clubs are looking at us a little enviously right now, along with their managers!
Absolutely.
A little calm perspective and realism, well said.
Like this post a lot.
Only one flaw with it, we are not going to have Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Rodriguez or Ward Prowse and for all we know one or two of the other also. Hope I'm wrong but odds on these lads are on the train before kick off.

Thumbs up regardless.
Two flaws with it,most fans at that majority of the 19 other clubs,along with several TV pundits,appear to be laughing right now.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: I think a little perspective needs to be taken here. You really can't hold on to a player if he really wants to leave - not even the big clubs are immune, Ronaldo from United, Bale from Spurs etc. Lambert going was fully understandable given the circumstances and good business. Shaw is equally inevitable. At his age it's easy to turn his head, by agents, by parents, by friends. Imagine you're his parent, what would you say to him? Most would say, here's your chance to set yourself set up, you may get injured and have to pack in football but here you can earn enough in one season to set you up for life. You can go on to win lots of trophies and who knows, look at Bale, you could go further. That's what I'd tell my son, what decent parent wanting the best for their child wouldn't? As for Lallana, he's approaching 27 been fanatically loyal to us and is a delight to watch. BUT last season was about the first he hasn't got injured in the winter and been out for quite for a while. So for him this is his chance to win some medals, play in the Champions League and really test himself at the highest level. I think he'd love to do that for Saints but we're a way off being able to offer that yet. I would say, even put money on it, that his decision to leave is a case of the head ruling the heart. Lovren? Been here one season, foreign, no ties to the club or area, on a career path, used us as a stepping stone, looking for glory and a big pay day (ditto Pochettino). The Premiership is over populated with overseas players like that. Good player but I won't shed a tear if he goes - there will be others to replace him. Schneiderlin? He's the one I'll be most sorry to see go IF indeed he does. He's a better player than Lallana in my view and holds our midfield together. And as he proved in his full game for France he is adaptable and able to play in different positions. Between him and Lallana he easily had the more impressive World Cup - and is still there! But look, as things currently stand we have just appointed a really good manager with a far superior CV to the last incumbent, who has a huge budget to play with and who still has Boruc, Clyne, Chambers, Fonte, Schneiderlin, Wanyama, Ramirez (a good player we've yet to see the best of), Davis, Ward Powse, Rodriguez and a host of young England internationals to work with. So come on folks. This is the real world world we're in along with 19 other clubs in the Premiership and frankly, sad though it may be to lose some heroes and legends, we ain't looking that bad and there's an awful lot to look forward to. I bet most fans at the majority of this 19 other clubs are looking at us a little enviously right now, along with their managers![/p][/quote]Absolutely. A little calm perspective and realism, well said.[/p][/quote]Like this post a lot. Only one flaw with it, we are not going to have Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Rodriguez or Ward Prowse and for all we know one or two of the other also. Hope I'm wrong but odds on these lads are on the train before kick off. Thumbs up regardless.[/p][/quote]Two flaws with it,most fans at that majority of the 19 other clubs,along with several TV pundits,appear to be laughing right now. Positively4thStreet
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6:37am Sun 29 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

VintageSoutherner wrote:
Mate of mine was in Greece last week and met Koeman and his brother in a bar. Told him Lallana and Shaw were going and also mentioned a keeper was on his way out.. Although he cant remember the name as he was f***** at the point they met
An Englishman,a Scotsman and an Irishman and a Welshman with a parrot on his shoulder,walked into a bar,and the barman said "Is this some kinda joke!".
[quote][p][bold]VintageSoutherner[/bold] wrote: Mate of mine was in Greece last week and met Koeman and his brother in a bar. Told him Lallana and Shaw were going and also mentioned a keeper was on his way out.. Although he cant remember the name as he was f***** at the point they met[/p][/quote]An Englishman,a Scotsman and an Irishman and a Welshman with a parrot on his shoulder,walked into a bar,and the barman said "Is this some kinda joke!". Positively4thStreet
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8:04am Sun 29 Jun 14

Saint Jinx says...

Shareholder wrote:
I think a little perspective needs to be taken here. You really can't hold on to a player if he really wants to leave - not even the big clubs are immune, Ronaldo from United, Bale from Spurs etc. Lambert going was fully understandable given the circumstances and good business. Shaw is equally inevitable. At his age it's easy to turn his head, by agents, by parents, by friends. Imagine you're his parent, what would you say to him? Most would say, here's your chance to set yourself set up, you may get injured and have to pack in football but here you can earn enough in one season to set you up for life. You can go on to win lots of trophies and who knows, look at Bale, you could go further. That's what I'd tell my son, what decent parent wanting the best for their child wouldn't? As for Lallana, he's approaching 27 been fanatically loyal to us and is a delight to watch. BUT last season was about the first he hasn't got injured in the winter and been out for quite for a while. So for him this is his chance to win some medals, play in the Champions League and really test himself at the highest level. I think he'd love to do that for Saints but we're a way off being able to offer that yet. I would say, even put money on it, that his decision to leave is a case of the head ruling the heart. Lovren? Been here one season, foreign, no ties to the club or area, on a career path, used us as a stepping stone, looking for glory and a big pay day (ditto Pochettino). The Premiership is over populated with overseas players like that. Good player but I won't shed a tear if he goes - there will be others to replace him. Schneiderlin? He's the one I'll be most sorry to see go IF indeed he does. He's a better player than Lallana in my view and holds our midfield together. And as he proved in his full game for France he is adaptable and able to play in different positions. Between him and Lallana he easily had the more impressive World Cup - and is still there! But look, as things currently stand we have just appointed a really good manager with a far superior CV to the last incumbent, who has a huge budget to play with and who still has Boruc, Clyne, Chambers, Fonte, Schneiderlin, Wanyama, Ramirez (a good player we've yet to see the best of), Davis, Ward Powse, Rodriguez and a host of young England internationals to work with. So come on folks. This is the real world world we're in along with 19 other clubs in the Premiership and frankly, sad though it may be to lose some heroes and legends, we ain't looking that bad and there's an awful lot to look forward to. I bet most fans at the majority of this 19 other clubs are looking at us a little enviously right now, along with their managers!
Your comments are exactly the same as those that any other neutral fan would make - very conservative with a certain inevitability about it. The problem is that a million comments like yours serve to put yet another nail in the coffin of Saints dreams. As long as this mentality persists and is allowed to persist then we will NEVER make the big time.
My father would not have advised me as you would advise if they were your sons. He instilled in us a sense of loyalty and a determination to stick with what we believe in. I am not saying that your values are not loyal and decent, I am sure they are, but the comment that they must think of their future and "Champions League Football ain't gonna happen at Saints" is like a death warrant. That is the main weapon used by the "big" clubs to unsettle our stars.
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: I think a little perspective needs to be taken here. You really can't hold on to a player if he really wants to leave - not even the big clubs are immune, Ronaldo from United, Bale from Spurs etc. Lambert going was fully understandable given the circumstances and good business. Shaw is equally inevitable. At his age it's easy to turn his head, by agents, by parents, by friends. Imagine you're his parent, what would you say to him? Most would say, here's your chance to set yourself set up, you may get injured and have to pack in football but here you can earn enough in one season to set you up for life. You can go on to win lots of trophies and who knows, look at Bale, you could go further. That's what I'd tell my son, what decent parent wanting the best for their child wouldn't? As for Lallana, he's approaching 27 been fanatically loyal to us and is a delight to watch. BUT last season was about the first he hasn't got injured in the winter and been out for quite for a while. So for him this is his chance to win some medals, play in the Champions League and really test himself at the highest level. I think he'd love to do that for Saints but we're a way off being able to offer that yet. I would say, even put money on it, that his decision to leave is a case of the head ruling the heart. Lovren? Been here one season, foreign, no ties to the club or area, on a career path, used us as a stepping stone, looking for glory and a big pay day (ditto Pochettino). The Premiership is over populated with overseas players like that. Good player but I won't shed a tear if he goes - there will be others to replace him. Schneiderlin? He's the one I'll be most sorry to see go IF indeed he does. He's a better player than Lallana in my view and holds our midfield together. And as he proved in his full game for France he is adaptable and able to play in different positions. Between him and Lallana he easily had the more impressive World Cup - and is still there! But look, as things currently stand we have just appointed a really good manager with a far superior CV to the last incumbent, who has a huge budget to play with and who still has Boruc, Clyne, Chambers, Fonte, Schneiderlin, Wanyama, Ramirez (a good player we've yet to see the best of), Davis, Ward Powse, Rodriguez and a host of young England internationals to work with. So come on folks. This is the real world world we're in along with 19 other clubs in the Premiership and frankly, sad though it may be to lose some heroes and legends, we ain't looking that bad and there's an awful lot to look forward to. I bet most fans at the majority of this 19 other clubs are looking at us a little enviously right now, along with their managers![/p][/quote]Your comments are exactly the same as those that any other neutral fan would make - very conservative with a certain inevitability about it. The problem is that a million comments like yours serve to put yet another nail in the coffin of Saints dreams. As long as this mentality persists and is allowed to persist then we will NEVER make the big time. My father would not have advised me as you would advise if they were your sons. He instilled in us a sense of loyalty and a determination to stick with what we believe in. I am not saying that your values are not loyal and decent, I am sure they are, but the comment that they must think of their future and "Champions League Football ain't gonna happen at Saints" is like a death warrant. That is the main weapon used by the "big" clubs to unsettle our stars. Saint Jinx
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8:45am Sun 29 Jun 14

Saintsayer II says...

At the end of the season we needed 3 players We now need at least 6 and thats before Lovren Chambers Morgan and Cork jump ship
I'm really feeling robbed of the £759 I shelled out for my season ticket
look what happened to Palace QPR and even Spurs when they tried to bring in virtually a whole team Any more tha 3 new players in any one window is a potential disaster
At the end of the season we needed 3 players We now need at least 6 and thats before Lovren Chambers Morgan and Cork jump ship I'm really feeling robbed of the £759 I shelled out for my season ticket look what happened to Palace QPR and even Spurs when they tried to bring in virtually a whole team Any more tha 3 new players in any one window is a potential disaster Saintsayer II
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8:49am Sun 29 Jun 14

Rising_Son says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
At the end of the season we needed 3 players We now need at least 6 and thats before Lovren Chambers Morgan and Cork jump ship
I'm really feeling robbed of the £759 I shelled out for my season ticket
look what happened to Palace QPR and even Spurs when they tried to bring in virtually a whole team Any more tha 3 new players in any one window is a potential disaster
Well, the season hasn't started yet, so you might be able to get your money back. Why not give it a try? If you succeed, you will obviously feel a lot better.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: At the end of the season we needed 3 players We now need at least 6 and thats before Lovren Chambers Morgan and Cork jump ship I'm really feeling robbed of the £759 I shelled out for my season ticket look what happened to Palace QPR and even Spurs when they tried to bring in virtually a whole team Any more tha 3 new players in any one window is a potential disaster[/p][/quote]Well, the season hasn't started yet, so you might be able to get your money back. Why not give it a try? If you succeed, you will obviously feel a lot better. Rising_Son
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9:31am Sun 29 Jun 14

andy newbury says...

clubs that produce good players and then sell them on over the years have never benefited by doing so, back in the 60,s burnly was doing the deed to which as far as i can remember spurs where taking their youngsters.why can we not be keeping the likes of adam and why or what is happening with in the club to make our players want to leave. Is it as a fan once said to me it is only the fan that is true to their club,perhaps it is time for belief to be reinstated by all to our saints club. I am sad that adam and rickie have both gone ,over the last 4-5years the two along with kelvin have to my mind always dragged us through games when we needed them to 3 good leaders. I think either steve davis or corky should perhaps be team captain, but in any event a great deal of thought should be given to the matter as at the matter it could be very important both for the team and the FANS, loyalty as well as leadership should be taken into account. enough of my rants just want the season to start so we know what is going on and i can get back to one of my favorite past times, supporting and watching the saints on a saturday afternoon.( proper job)
clubs that produce good players and then sell them on over the years have never benefited by doing so, back in the 60,s burnly was doing the deed to which as far as i can remember spurs where taking their youngsters.why can we not be keeping the likes of adam and why or what is happening with in the club to make our players want to leave. Is it as a fan once said to me it is only the fan that is true to their club,perhaps it is time for belief to be reinstated by all to our saints club. I am sad that adam and rickie have both gone ,over the last 4-5years the two along with kelvin have to my mind always dragged us through games when we needed them to 3 good leaders. I think either steve davis or corky should perhaps be team captain, but in any event a great deal of thought should be given to the matter as at the matter it could be very important both for the team and the FANS, loyalty as well as leadership should be taken into account. enough of my rants just want the season to start so we know what is going on and i can get back to one of my favorite past times, supporting and watching the saints on a saturday afternoon.( proper job) andy newbury
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