Osvaldo still a no-show

Dani Osvaldo

Dani Osvaldo

First published in Sport Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Sports Writer

Dani Osvaldo has yet to return to Saints as the Italian’s future with the club continues to look uncertain.

The 28-year-old striker had first been due to report for pre-season training almost a fortnight ago but didn’t turn up due to medical reasons, which were backed up by a doctor’s note.

Ronald Koeman had confirmed that Osvaldo was then due back at Staplewood last Sunday to train back in Southampton while the rest of his teammates headed off to Belgium for their short pre-season tour.

However, the Daily Echo understands that Osvaldo has yet to return to Saints.

The club are aware of his reasons, have approved his absence and are monitoring the situation.

It all just adds to the uncertainty over Osvaldo’s future.

If it was already fairly unlikely that Osvaldo would make a return to the first team squad after his headbutt on Jose Fonte, it seems there is even less chance of that happening now.

The impasse in proceedings at the moment seems to suit Saints, who have breathing space to try and find a buyer for Osvaldo.

There are foreign clubs interested such as Inter Milan and Galatasary but Saints have yet to receive a suitable bid and face tough negotiations.

Osvaldo became Saints’ record signing when he joined for an initial fee of £12.9m last summer.

After a comparatively poor season in which he was loaned out to Juventus after his training ground misdemeanour and which saw him over looked for Italy’s World Cup squad, the club are going to do well to recoup their investment.

However, they will not be keen on taking a large cut on someone who has been at St Mary’s for such a short period of time.

There could be the option to do another loan deal to get Osvaldo off the wage bill.

But with Saints reinvesting transfer cash in the first team, the money for Osvaldo could be an extra boost to Koeman as he looks to bolster his squad.

That would be better than having Osvaldo’s contract slowly running down elsewhere and no extra cash to fund a replacement.

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11:08am Sat 19 Jul 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

HOPE , we are not paying him any WAGES ! BLOODY WASTE OF SPACE ,
HOPE , we are not paying him any WAGES ! BLOODY WASTE OF SPACE , SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 91

11:12am Sat 19 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Put him on eBay
Put him on eBay OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 44

11:16am Sat 19 Jul 14

Bazultra says...

Get rid of this fool asap
Get rid of this fool asap Bazultra
  • Score: 52

11:17am Sat 19 Jul 14

NewForestStu says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Put him on eBay
Could you imagine the 'feedback' from anyone daft enough to buy him!!!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Put him on eBay[/p][/quote]Could you imagine the 'feedback' from anyone daft enough to buy him!!! NewForestStu
  • Score: 45

11:19am Sat 19 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

NewForestStu wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Put him on eBay
Could you imagine the 'feedback' from anyone daft enough to buy him!!!
Caveat emptor
[quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Put him on eBay[/p][/quote]Could you imagine the 'feedback' from anyone daft enough to buy him!!![/p][/quote]Caveat emptor OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 30

11:19am Sat 19 Jul 14

Numpty Girl says...

Flog him, then sell him!
Flog him, then sell him! Numpty Girl
  • Score: 50

11:20am Sat 19 Jul 14

hdsaint says...

Who in their right minds would want him though? After the way he's conducted himself these last few months, I can't see that any club would want a player like that. Oh no wait, I'm sure the likes of Liverpool and Barcelona would take him. Horrible clubs.
Who in their right minds would want him though? After the way he's conducted himself these last few months, I can't see that any club would want a player like that. Oh no wait, I'm sure the likes of Liverpool and Barcelona would take him. Horrible clubs. hdsaint
  • Score: 37

11:22am Sat 19 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

A total waste of money, he is Trouble with a capital T, our problem is that not many clubs are prepared to take a gamble on him.
A total waste of money, he is Trouble with a capital T, our problem is that not many clubs are prepared to take a gamble on him. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 25

11:31am Sat 19 Jul 14

Malcombe says...

Agree with you SPIKEISLAND Osvaldo is going to cost the Club a lot of millions to discard him, my suggestion is get a SFC official to drive him and set the Satnav for White Hart Lane and kick him out the Car at the entrance for the responsibility of the cheat and liar and dishonest one who's name thousand of us know by now who wanted him at Southampton and give him the problem he so richly deserves
Agree with you SPIKEISLAND Osvaldo is going to cost the Club a lot of millions to discard him, my suggestion is get a SFC official to drive him and set the Satnav for White Hart Lane and kick him out the Car at the entrance for the responsibility of the cheat and liar and dishonest one who's name thousand of us know by now who wanted him at Southampton and give him the problem he so richly deserves Malcombe
  • Score: 56

11:47am Sat 19 Jul 14

Alicesdad says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
NewForestStu wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Put him on eBay
Could you imagine the 'feedback' from anyone daft enough to buy him!!!
Caveat emptor
Osprey is right. Caveat emptor. Thats where we were caught out !
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Put him on eBay[/p][/quote]Could you imagine the 'feedback' from anyone daft enough to buy him!!![/p][/quote]Caveat emptor[/p][/quote]Osprey is right. Caveat emptor. Thats where we were caught out ! Alicesdad
  • Score: 12

12:08pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Mattyboysaints says...

Nice one posh..... How about taking that knob head with you to spurs ?
Nice one posh..... How about taking that knob head with you to spurs ? Mattyboysaints
  • Score: 15

12:13pm Sat 19 Jul 14

markodarko29 says...

Osvaldo the biggest tool ever to put a saints shirt on ,absolute knob
Osvaldo the biggest tool ever to put a saints shirt on ,absolute knob markodarko29
  • Score: 20

12:15pm Sat 19 Jul 14

pitbull says...

It's quite obvious that Osvaldo wasn't on the list of "wanted" players by Southampton and his arrival was due to the previous manager, the deal was given the go-ahead by the previous chairman.

And to top it all, he was bought on HP, which we still owe on.

Great bit of business, not.

We ought to cut our losses, move on and learn from the mistake.
It's quite obvious that Osvaldo wasn't on the list of "wanted" players by Southampton and his arrival was due to the previous manager, the deal was given the go-ahead by the previous chairman. And to top it all, he was bought on HP, which we still owe on. Great bit of business, not. We ought to cut our losses, move on and learn from the mistake. pitbull
  • Score: 14

12:16pm Sat 19 Jul 14

EricMartin'sHat says...

markodarko29 wrote:
Osvaldo the biggest tool ever to put a saints shirt on ,absolute knob
…it would be ok if we were still sponsored by Drapers!
[quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: Osvaldo the biggest tool ever to put a saints shirt on ,absolute knob[/p][/quote]…it would be ok if we were still sponsored by Drapers! EricMartin'sHat
  • Score: 21

12:24pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Lone Ranger. says...

From the article ...... QUOTE:- "The club are aware of his reasons, have approved his absence and are monitoring the situation."
.
So where is the story then ???
From the article ...... QUOTE:- "The club are aware of his reasons, have approved his absence and are monitoring the situation." . So where is the story then ??? Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 14

12:31pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Invidia says...

Delgardo ???
Delgardo ??? Invidia
  • Score: 8

12:45pm Sat 19 Jul 14

bbb001 says...

Well done Nicola Cortese, the so called brilliant chairman who added Osvaldo to to the other over rated flop Gaston Ramirez. Lets hope RK can get a tune out of Ramirez and get rid of Osvaldo for some money while the board repair the finacial damage done by that conceited dictator Corteze.
Well done Nicola Cortese, the so called brilliant chairman who added Osvaldo to to the other over rated flop Gaston Ramirez. Lets hope RK can get a tune out of Ramirez and get rid of Osvaldo for some money while the board repair the finacial damage done by that conceited dictator Corteze. bbb001
  • Score: 22

12:47pm Sat 19 Jul 14

SnapperSaint says...

Interesting that Spurs aren't looking to poach him like they want to poach everyone else in our team, according to some papers...
Not even Poch is interested and he knew him well enough to bring him to Saints for loads of money, and at Spurs he doesn't have the player resentment issue to worry about, so he seems to have become a real pariah.
Interesting that Spurs aren't looking to poach him like they want to poach everyone else in our team, according to some papers... Not even Poch is interested and he knew him well enough to bring him to Saints for loads of money, and at Spurs he doesn't have the player resentment issue to worry about, so he seems to have become a real pariah. SnapperSaint
  • Score: 21

12:49pm Sat 19 Jul 14

bbb001 says...

bbb001 wrote:
Well done Nicola Cortese, the so called brilliant chairman who added Osvaldo to to the other over rated flop Gaston Ramirez. Lets hope RK can get a tune out of Ramirez and get rid of Osvaldo for some money while the board repair the finacial damage done by that conceited dictator Corteze.
And before anyone goes on about how Corteze was the saviour of the club, remember it was Marcus Liebheirs money that saved us. I would also polnt out we were producing kids through the academy years before Cortese and Pochetino.
[quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: Well done Nicola Cortese, the so called brilliant chairman who added Osvaldo to to the other over rated flop Gaston Ramirez. Lets hope RK can get a tune out of Ramirez and get rid of Osvaldo for some money while the board repair the finacial damage done by that conceited dictator Corteze.[/p][/quote]And before anyone goes on about how Corteze was the saviour of the club, remember it was Marcus Liebheirs money that saved us. I would also polnt out we were producing kids through the academy years before Cortese and Pochetino. bbb001
  • Score: 37

12:49pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Invidia says...

bbb001 wrote:
Well done Nicola Cortese, the so called brilliant chairman who added Osvaldo to to the other over rated flop Gaston Ramirez. Lets hope RK can get a tune out of Ramirez and get rid of Osvaldo for some money while the board repair the finacial damage done by that conceited dictator Corteze.
I believe that Les Reed had something to do with the Osvaldo signing
[quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: Well done Nicola Cortese, the so called brilliant chairman who added Osvaldo to to the other over rated flop Gaston Ramirez. Lets hope RK can get a tune out of Ramirez and get rid of Osvaldo for some money while the board repair the finacial damage done by that conceited dictator Corteze.[/p][/quote]I believe that Les Reed had something to do with the Osvaldo signing Invidia
  • Score: -15

12:50pm Sat 19 Jul 14

CB FRY LIVES says...

Send him off to Tottenham Crapspurs in exchange for Anton Townsend.MOPO was stupid enough to sign him before.
Send him off to Tottenham Crapspurs in exchange for Anton Townsend.MOPO was stupid enough to sign him before. CB FRY LIVES
  • Score: 14

12:55pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Buddy SFC says...

For those continually slagging the current Board ...............

It just goes to show not everything was ROSIE under the old, well I was going to say Board , but NC wouldn't allow that, so under his and MoPo's leadership !!!

And until this Summer we still hadn't PAID for him !!!

Why do I now feel we have a rudder and a direction to steer to, it won't always be to our satisfaction but for the long term health of the club a stronger foundation for sure !
For those continually slagging the current Board ............... It just goes to show not everything was ROSIE under the old, well I was going to say Board , but NC wouldn't allow that, so under his and MoPo's leadership !!! And until this Summer we still hadn't PAID for him !!! Why do I now feel we have a rudder and a direction to steer to, it won't always be to our satisfaction but for the long term health of the club a stronger foundation for sure ! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 27

1:04pm Sat 19 Jul 14

andygoater1957 says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
For those continually slagging the current Board ...............

It just goes to show not everything was ROSIE under the old, well I was going to say Board , but NC wouldn't allow that, so under his and MoPo's leadership !!!

And until this Summer we still hadn't PAID for him !!!

Why do I now feel we have a rudder and a direction to steer to, it won't always be to our satisfaction but for the long term health of the club a stronger foundation for sure !
So if we have not paid for send him back there.
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: For those continually slagging the current Board ............... It just goes to show not everything was ROSIE under the old, well I was going to say Board , but NC wouldn't allow that, so under his and MoPo's leadership !!! And until this Summer we still hadn't PAID for him !!! Why do I now feel we have a rudder and a direction to steer to, it won't always be to our satisfaction but for the long term health of the club a stronger foundation for sure ![/p][/quote]So if we have not paid for send him back there. andygoater1957
  • Score: 5

1:07pm Sat 19 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Send him off to Tottenham Crapspurs in exchange for Anton Townsend.MOPO was stupid enough to sign him before.
Andros Townsend mate, not sure he is what we need either, any port in a storm though.
[quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: Send him off to Tottenham Crapspurs in exchange for Anton Townsend.MOPO was stupid enough to sign him before.[/p][/quote]Andros Townsend mate, not sure he is what we need either, any port in a storm though. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 12

1:08pm Sat 19 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Invidia wrote:
bbb001 wrote:
Well done Nicola Cortese, the so called brilliant chairman who added Osvaldo to to the other over rated flop Gaston Ramirez. Lets hope RK can get a tune out of Ramirez and get rid of Osvaldo for some money while the board repair the finacial damage done by that conceited dictator Corteze.
I believe that Les Reed had something to do with the Osvaldo signing
Hang him then!
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: Well done Nicola Cortese, the so called brilliant chairman who added Osvaldo to to the other over rated flop Gaston Ramirez. Lets hope RK can get a tune out of Ramirez and get rid of Osvaldo for some money while the board repair the finacial damage done by that conceited dictator Corteze.[/p][/quote]I believe that Les Reed had something to do with the Osvaldo signing[/p][/quote]Hang him then! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

1:19pm Sat 19 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Invidia wrote:
Delgardo ???
Delgardo? No, Delgado perhaps?
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: Delgardo ???[/p][/quote]Delgardo? No, Delgado perhaps? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -8

1:21pm Sat 19 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
From the article ...... QUOTE:- "The club are aware of his reasons, have approved his absence and are monitoring the situation."
.
So where is the story then ???
Sorry like the rest of us, you will just have to wait patiently for the outcome.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: From the article ...... QUOTE:- "The club are aware of his reasons, have approved his absence and are monitoring the situation." . So where is the story then ???[/p][/quote]Sorry like the rest of us, you will just have to wait patiently for the outcome. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

1:28pm Sat 19 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

Invidia wrote:
Delgardo ???
Delgado had a history of knee problems, so it was the fault only of the Saints regime at the time for taking too big a gamble on buying him. Agustin Delgado did not headbutt a team mate and did not lose his temper.

Dani Osvaldo came to Saints along with his history of being temperamental and being a problem at his previous club. He continues to let Saints down, which is his fault. He continues to be an exceptionally stupid footballer, who is unable to grasp the simple fact that his poor behaviour both on and off the pitch directly threatens his own career. He will possibly have already noticed that many of the better known clubs in Europe are not interested in buying a very flawed Dani Osvaldo. His temper and oversized ego are, I hope, costing him money in forgone wages.

Billy Sharp is worth countless guys like Osvaldo. Billy might not have the technical ability of Osvaldo, but he is a team player, which is an idea lost on Osvaldo. Billy is at Saints. Osvaldo is actually nowhere. I wish only the best for Billy Sharp!!!
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: Delgardo ???[/p][/quote]Delgado had a history of knee problems, so it was the fault only of the Saints regime at the time for taking too big a gamble on buying him. Agustin Delgado did not headbutt a team mate and did not lose his temper. Dani Osvaldo came to Saints along with his history of being temperamental and being a problem at his previous club. He continues to let Saints down, which is his fault. He continues to be an exceptionally stupid footballer, who is unable to grasp the simple fact that his poor behaviour both on and off the pitch directly threatens his own career. He will possibly have already noticed that many of the better known clubs in Europe are not interested in buying a very flawed Dani Osvaldo. His temper and oversized ego are, I hope, costing him money in forgone wages. Billy Sharp is worth countless guys like Osvaldo. Billy might not have the technical ability of Osvaldo, but he is a team player, which is an idea lost on Osvaldo. Billy is at Saints. Osvaldo is actually nowhere. I wish only the best for Billy Sharp!!! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 42

1:30pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Confucious says...

He probably went cordless bungee jumping on his holiday. Osvaldo seems to have all the wisdom of a teenager and all the energy of a pensioner.
He probably went cordless bungee jumping on his holiday. Osvaldo seems to have all the wisdom of a teenager and all the energy of a pensioner. Confucious
  • Score: 21

1:38pm Sat 19 Jul 14

reedhunter1 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
From the article ...... QUOTE:- "The club are aware of his reasons, have approved his absence and are monitoring the situation."
.
So where is the story then ???
Normal sh!t from the famous daily echo and kn_b head Ian Murray
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: From the article ...... QUOTE:- "The club are aware of his reasons, have approved his absence and are monitoring the situation." . So where is the story then ???[/p][/quote]Normal sh!t from the famous daily echo and kn_b head Ian Murray reedhunter1
  • Score: -12

1:43pm Sat 19 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

reedhunter1 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
From the article ...... QUOTE:- "The club are aware of his reasons, have approved his absence and are monitoring the situation."
.
So where is the story then ???
Normal sh!t from the famous daily echo and kn_b head Ian Murray
That's harsh, how much do you know about it?
[quote][p][bold]reedhunter1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: From the article ...... QUOTE:- "The club are aware of his reasons, have approved his absence and are monitoring the situation." . So where is the story then ???[/p][/quote]Normal sh!t from the famous daily echo and kn_b head Ian Murray[/p][/quote]That's harsh, how much do you know about it? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 11

1:43pm Sat 19 Jul 14

milton road says...

This was a bad buy Pochettino, his judgement is flawed like sending out a reserve team in the league and FA cup at Sunderland. He cost us the possibility of two cup finals and a lot less dressing room unrest.
Osvaldo needs to be sold but not under 8 million and he needs to get back apologise and try to rebuild a career that has collapsed badly in the meantime. Its unlikely he does not have the courage to apologise and ask for a second chance.
This was a bad buy Pochettino, his judgement is flawed like sending out a reserve team in the league and FA cup at Sunderland. He cost us the possibility of two cup finals and a lot less dressing room unrest. Osvaldo needs to be sold but not under 8 million and he needs to get back apologise and try to rebuild a career that has collapsed badly in the meantime. Its unlikely he does not have the courage to apologise and ask for a second chance. milton road
  • Score: 9

1:47pm Sat 19 Jul 14

montyplum says...

In my opinion both Loren and osvaldo ain't worth spit and I wouldn't give them the steam of my s@@t.
In my opinion both Loren and osvaldo ain't worth spit and I wouldn't give them the steam of my s@@t. montyplum
  • Score: 18

1:50pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Jan28th1984 says...

Quality player but a suspect temperament. Poch obviously thought he could handle him, it doesn't look like Ron will get the chance.
Shame really - his goal against Man City was sublime - not many strikers in the world can dump Vincent Kompany on his backside.
Looks like the club will take a loss on him now, but there you go.
Quality player but a suspect temperament. Poch obviously thought he could handle him, it doesn't look like Ron will get the chance. Shame really - his goal against Man City was sublime - not many strikers in the world can dump Vincent Kompany on his backside. Looks like the club will take a loss on him now, but there you go. Jan28th1984
  • Score: 31

1:59pm Sat 19 Jul 14

jasons odd says...

Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him .

If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have .

Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing .

First real test of Koemans managerial ability
Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him . If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have . Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing . First real test of Koemans managerial ability jasons odd
  • Score: 7

2:07pm Sat 19 Jul 14

the Newmarket Saint says...

This sould be a lesson to everybody telling saints to go out and buy now ,, give Ron a chance to check out his squad before he dives in with the clubs cash too many of our big purchases have not been good ones ,I have faith in Ron we are looking to the future not just the next couple of games
COYR
This sould be a lesson to everybody telling saints to go out and buy now ,, give Ron a chance to check out his squad before he dives in with the clubs cash too many of our big purchases have not been good ones ,I have faith in Ron we are looking to the future not just the next couple of games COYR the Newmarket Saint
  • Score: 11

2:18pm Sat 19 Jul 14

saintbobby says...

jasons odd wrote:
Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him .

If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have .

Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing .

First real test of Koemans managerial ability
I am interested in your comparison of the 2 players.

Perhaps you would be good enough to explain how you are so sure as to their respective abilities..

I do admit not having heard of either player before they put on our shirt. So from what you have said, you are indeed an expert!

Please explain.
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him . If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have . Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing . First real test of Koemans managerial ability[/p][/quote]I am interested in your comparison of the 2 players. Perhaps you would be good enough to explain how you are so sure as to their respective abilities.. I do admit not having heard of either player before they put on our shirt. So from what you have said, you are indeed an expert! Please explain. saintbobby
  • Score: 24

2:19pm Sat 19 Jul 14

saintlysoccerette says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Put him on eBay
I still think he'd go unsold!!

Agree with SPIKEISLANDTRADER, hope we're not paying him his wages. He hardly deserves to be paid if he's not fulfilling his contract.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Put him on eBay[/p][/quote]I still think he'd go unsold!! Agree with SPIKEISLANDTRADER, hope we're not paying him his wages. He hardly deserves to be paid if he's not fulfilling his contract. saintlysoccerette
  • Score: 9

2:24pm Sat 19 Jul 14

saintlysoccerette says...

Perhaps we had Osvaldo on a 'try before you buy' option .... in which case we should return him saying we've changed our minds!
Perhaps we had Osvaldo on a 'try before you buy' option .... in which case we should return him saying we've changed our minds! saintlysoccerette
  • Score: 9

2:37pm Sat 19 Jul 14

olddellsaint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Put him on eBay
You won't get much for 99p
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Put him on eBay[/p][/quote]You won't get much for 99p olddellsaint
  • Score: 7

2:38pm Sat 19 Jul 14

jasons odd says...

saintbobby wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him .

If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have .

Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing .

First real test of Koemans managerial ability
I am interested in your comparison of the 2 players.

Perhaps you would be good enough to explain how you are so sure as to their respective abilities..

I do admit not having heard of either player before they put on our shirt. So from what you have said, you are indeed an expert!

Please explain.
Anyone who follows Italian football will tell you the same - Osvaldo is twice the player Pelle is.

Pelles record in his native league is atrocious, failed to make the grade in seria A , 4 seasons 3 clubs 25 appearances 1 goal .

Pretty much failed to impress for seria B clubs scoring 21 times in 82 appearances . 11 Italian u21 games 0 goals .

Yes he made a success in the much weaker dutch league , which doesn't say much about him .

Osvaldo has been a big success in italy and spain , you dont play for Roma and Juventus unless you are quality . Osvaldo has made many appearances for Italian team and was a certainty for world cup squad until his problems last season ...Pelle was never , and will never be even considered for his country .

Italian fans dont consider Pelle a decent player , there has been NO interest from any Italian clubs in bringing him home .

The gulf in quality between the two is obvious
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him . If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have . Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing . First real test of Koemans managerial ability[/p][/quote]I am interested in your comparison of the 2 players. Perhaps you would be good enough to explain how you are so sure as to their respective abilities.. I do admit not having heard of either player before they put on our shirt. So from what you have said, you are indeed an expert! Please explain.[/p][/quote]Anyone who follows Italian football will tell you the same - Osvaldo is twice the player Pelle is. Pelles record in his native league is atrocious, failed to make the grade in seria A , 4 seasons 3 clubs 25 appearances 1 goal . Pretty much failed to impress for seria B clubs scoring 21 times in 82 appearances . 11 Italian u21 games 0 goals . Yes he made a success in the much weaker dutch league , which doesn't say much about him . Osvaldo has been a big success in italy and spain , you dont play for Roma and Juventus unless you are quality . Osvaldo has made many appearances for Italian team and was a certainty for world cup squad until his problems last season ...Pelle was never , and will never be even considered for his country . Italian fans dont consider Pelle a decent player , there has been NO interest from any Italian clubs in bringing him home . The gulf in quality between the two is obvious jasons odd
  • Score: 8

3:00pm Sat 19 Jul 14

saintbobby says...

jasons odd wrote:
saintbobby wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him .

If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have .

Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing .

First real test of Koemans managerial ability
I am interested in your comparison of the 2 players.

Perhaps you would be good enough to explain how you are so sure as to their respective abilities..

I do admit not having heard of either player before they put on our shirt. So from what you have said, you are indeed an expert!

Please explain.
Anyone who follows Italian football will tell you the same - Osvaldo is twice the player Pelle is.

Pelles record in his native league is atrocious, failed to make the grade in seria A , 4 seasons 3 clubs 25 appearances 1 goal .

Pretty much failed to impress for seria B clubs scoring 21 times in 82 appearances . 11 Italian u21 games 0 goals .

Yes he made a success in the much weaker dutch league , which doesn't say much about him .

Osvaldo has been a big success in italy and spain , you dont play for Roma and Juventus unless you are quality . Osvaldo has made many appearances for Italian team and was a certainty for world cup squad until his problems last season ...Pelle was never , and will never be even considered for his country .

Italian fans dont consider Pelle a decent player , there has been NO interest from any Italian clubs in bringing him home .

The gulf in quality between the two is obvious
Jasons odd, thank you for taking this trouble to, as it were, put me right! Appreciated.
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him . If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have . Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing . First real test of Koemans managerial ability[/p][/quote]I am interested in your comparison of the 2 players. Perhaps you would be good enough to explain how you are so sure as to their respective abilities.. I do admit not having heard of either player before they put on our shirt. So from what you have said, you are indeed an expert! Please explain.[/p][/quote]Anyone who follows Italian football will tell you the same - Osvaldo is twice the player Pelle is. Pelles record in his native league is atrocious, failed to make the grade in seria A , 4 seasons 3 clubs 25 appearances 1 goal . Pretty much failed to impress for seria B clubs scoring 21 times in 82 appearances . 11 Italian u21 games 0 goals . Yes he made a success in the much weaker dutch league , which doesn't say much about him . Osvaldo has been a big success in italy and spain , you dont play for Roma and Juventus unless you are quality . Osvaldo has made many appearances for Italian team and was a certainty for world cup squad until his problems last season ...Pelle was never , and will never be even considered for his country . Italian fans dont consider Pelle a decent player , there has been NO interest from any Italian clubs in bringing him home . The gulf in quality between the two is obvious[/p][/quote]Jasons odd, thank you for taking this trouble to, as it were, put me right! Appreciated. saintbobby
  • Score: 20

3:02pm Sat 19 Jul 14

peterdagnell658@btinternet.com says...

hdsaint wrote:
Who in their right minds would want him though? After the way he's conducted himself these last few months, I can't see that any club would want a player like that. Oh no wait, I'm sure the likes of Liverpool and Barcelona would take him. Horrible clubs.
Well, we did! But who's idea was it in the first place to buy him? It seems NC & MOPO ignored the trends he was showing in Italy and still went ahead with the worst buy of the century. I think spuds should be made to buy him! Pity that was not inserted into MOPO's contract. Of course drivilepool can buy him as they seem to want all of the Southampton team.
[quote][p][bold]hdsaint[/bold] wrote: Who in their right minds would want him though? After the way he's conducted himself these last few months, I can't see that any club would want a player like that. Oh no wait, I'm sure the likes of Liverpool and Barcelona would take him. Horrible clubs.[/p][/quote]Well, we did! But who's idea was it in the first place to buy him? It seems NC & MOPO ignored the trends he was showing in Italy and still went ahead with the worst buy of the century. I think spuds should be made to buy him! Pity that was not inserted into MOPO's contract. Of course drivilepool can buy him as they seem to want all of the Southampton team. peterdagnell658@btinternet.com
  • Score: 2

3:13pm Sat 19 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

If you have BT Sport, Rickie complete with a tw@tty beard is playing in a Live friendly against PNE.
If you have BT Sport, Rickie complete with a tw@tty beard is playing in a Live friendly against PNE. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

3:22pm Sat 19 Jul 14

deepheat says...

That Sheitbag at Totton...Ham pleaded and begged Osvaldo to come to Southampton and promised fans (who questioned his temper ) that he could handle Osvaldo's temperament. He couldn't. Sheitbag couldn't handle Osvaldo or Ramirez for that matter. He left it up to the board to deal with.

Osvaldo doesn't want to play for Southampton. He never did.
Osvaldo took Sheitbag ( who is a deceitful man himself ) for the mug that he is. No team in Europe wants him on a permanent deal not even Part Exchange so he will probably be loaned out again. He should be at least training (with saints permission) at a club somewhere near his home. He is just a dirty lazy, B@s*rd.
That Sheitbag at Totton...Ham pleaded and begged Osvaldo to come to Southampton and promised fans (who questioned his temper ) that he could handle Osvaldo's temperament. He couldn't. Sheitbag couldn't handle Osvaldo or Ramirez for that matter. He left it up to the board to deal with. Osvaldo doesn't want to play for Southampton. He never did. Osvaldo took Sheitbag ( who is a deceitful man himself ) for the mug that he is. No team in Europe wants him on a permanent deal not even Part Exchange so he will probably be loaned out again. He should be at least training (with saints permission) at a club somewhere near his home. He is just a dirty lazy, B@s*rd. deepheat
  • Score: 0

3:28pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Buddy SFC says...

andygoater1957 wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
For those continually slagging the current Board ...............

It just goes to show not everything was ROSIE under the old, well I was going to say Board , but NC wouldn't allow that, so under his and MoPo's leadership !!!

And until this Summer we still hadn't PAID for him !!!

Why do I now feel we have a rudder and a direction to steer to, it won't always be to our satisfaction but for the long term health of the club a stronger foundation for sure !
So if we have not paid for send him back there.
I wish !
[quote][p][bold]andygoater1957[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: For those continually slagging the current Board ............... It just goes to show not everything was ROSIE under the old, well I was going to say Board , but NC wouldn't allow that, so under his and MoPo's leadership !!! And until this Summer we still hadn't PAID for him !!! Why do I now feel we have a rudder and a direction to steer to, it won't always be to our satisfaction but for the long term health of the club a stronger foundation for sure ![/p][/quote]So if we have not paid for send him back there.[/p][/quote]I wish ! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 7

3:43pm Sat 19 Jul 14

NC Fan4Life says...

jasons odd wrote:
saintbobby wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him .

If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have .

Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing .

First real test of Koemans managerial ability
I am interested in your comparison of the 2 players.

Perhaps you would be good enough to explain how you are so sure as to their respective abilities..

I do admit not having heard of either player before they put on our shirt. So from what you have said, you are indeed an expert!

Please explain.
Anyone who follows Italian football will tell you the same - Osvaldo is twice the player Pelle is.

Pelles record in his native league is atrocious, failed to make the grade in seria A , 4 seasons 3 clubs 25 appearances 1 goal .

Pretty much failed to impress for seria B clubs scoring 21 times in 82 appearances . 11 Italian u21 games 0 goals .

Yes he made a success in the much weaker dutch league , which doesn't say much about him .

Osvaldo has been a big success in italy and spain , you dont play for Roma and Juventus unless you are quality . Osvaldo has made many appearances for Italian team and was a certainty for world cup squad until his problems last season ...Pelle was never , and will never be even considered for his country .

Italian fans dont consider Pelle a decent player , there has been NO interest from any Italian clubs in bringing him home .

The gulf in quality between the two is obvious
I accept that Osvaldo is a better player than Pelle accept for one big difference, Pelle has turned up to play.

I am more concerned about the Striker position than any other one.

We MUST score 20+ more goals next season but are looking very weak in that position. We needed to get a top new striker at the start of last season to boost our strike force.

So we bought Dani Osvaldo !! OK lets accept that was a big mistake and cut our losses, if we can't sell him then use him as a part exchange for a player we need.

A top quality Striker is still required a year on, which we have known about all this time. Now we have replaced Ricky with Pelle who is untried against world class Prem defenders so may not be what we hope he will be, then with J-Rod out to January at least and Guly gone, we are left with Gallagher who is not ready and Mayuka & Sharp who are not good enough and need to be off-loaded.

Therefore we URGENTLY need to sign a BETTER Striker than J-Rod & Pelle who is proven in the Premiership. This can be a season long loan if we can't buy one. We have missed out on Demba Ba, gone to Turkey for only £4M and about to miss out on Lukaku, Remy and Bony, all proven goalscorers. A second striker for options and competition is also a requirement and many consider that Danny Ings could be worth a punt as a stand by, but I believe Conor Wickham has an attitude problem.

The next priority is a BETTER CB than we have, 2 if Lovren leaves, but we are about to miss out on Caulker, who must be worth £8m as a future ENGLAND CB. We have also missed out on Feyenoords two WC CB's,
Jaamatt to Newcastle & Brune Martins-Inde to Porto, both for only about £5m. Stephan De Vrij is one we could go for and Ron Vlaar if Villa sell.

That leaves a LB as the third Priority followed by a Winger & a GK.

Also a CM if Morgan does not see any quality arriving by the time he returns in a weeks time.

All new players MUST be BETTER than we have, we must not waste money on players just for cover, the ones that loose out will be that.

Currently we look a lot weaker squad than last season and only 3 weeks to the last warm up friendly before going to Liverhampton.

We MUST improve the 11 on the pitch and give RonKo a chance to gel the players and hit the ground running, especially with the 'easy' first 12 fixtures.

We CAN afford & attract all the 6 Top players still required but time is running out, I don't want to be posting on here on 1st Sept that we have missed our opportunity to strengthen.

Come on Les & Ralph you have both said we will be stronger but no sign of it yet ! So sign THREE this week, two the following week & one (or more if any other leave), before the window closes.

COYR&WS
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him . If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have . Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing . First real test of Koemans managerial ability[/p][/quote]I am interested in your comparison of the 2 players. Perhaps you would be good enough to explain how you are so sure as to their respective abilities.. I do admit not having heard of either player before they put on our shirt. So from what you have said, you are indeed an expert! Please explain.[/p][/quote]Anyone who follows Italian football will tell you the same - Osvaldo is twice the player Pelle is. Pelles record in his native league is atrocious, failed to make the grade in seria A , 4 seasons 3 clubs 25 appearances 1 goal . Pretty much failed to impress for seria B clubs scoring 21 times in 82 appearances . 11 Italian u21 games 0 goals . Yes he made a success in the much weaker dutch league , which doesn't say much about him . Osvaldo has been a big success in italy and spain , you dont play for Roma and Juventus unless you are quality . Osvaldo has made many appearances for Italian team and was a certainty for world cup squad until his problems last season ...Pelle was never , and will never be even considered for his country . Italian fans dont consider Pelle a decent player , there has been NO interest from any Italian clubs in bringing him home . The gulf in quality between the two is obvious[/p][/quote]I accept that Osvaldo is a better player than Pelle accept for one big difference, Pelle has turned up to play. I am more concerned about the Striker position than any other one. We MUST score 20+ more goals next season but are looking very weak in that position. We needed to get a top new striker at the start of last season to boost our strike force. So we bought Dani Osvaldo !! OK lets accept that was a big mistake and cut our losses, if we can't sell him then use him as a part exchange for a player we need. A top quality Striker is still required a year on, which we have known about all this time. Now we have replaced Ricky with Pelle who is untried against world class Prem defenders so may not be what we hope he will be, then with J-Rod out to January at least and Guly gone, we are left with Gallagher who is not ready and Mayuka & Sharp who are not good enough and need to be off-loaded. Therefore we URGENTLY need to sign a BETTER Striker than J-Rod & Pelle who is proven in the Premiership. This can be a season long loan if we can't buy one. We have missed out on Demba Ba, gone to Turkey for only £4M and about to miss out on Lukaku, Remy and Bony, all proven goalscorers. A second striker for options and competition is also a requirement and many consider that Danny Ings could be worth a punt as a stand by, but I believe Conor Wickham has an attitude problem. The next priority is a BETTER CB than we have, 2 if Lovren leaves, but we are about to miss out on Caulker, who must be worth £8m as a future ENGLAND CB. We have also missed out on Feyenoords two WC CB's, Jaamatt to Newcastle & Brune Martins-Inde to Porto, both for only about £5m. Stephan De Vrij is one we could go for and Ron Vlaar if Villa sell. That leaves a LB as the third Priority followed by a Winger & a GK. Also a CM if Morgan does not see any quality arriving by the time he returns in a weeks time. All new players MUST be BETTER than we have, we must not waste money on players just for cover, the ones that loose out will be that. Currently we look a lot weaker squad than last season and only 3 weeks to the last warm up friendly before going to Liverhampton. We MUST improve the 11 on the pitch and give RonKo a chance to gel the players and hit the ground running, especially with the 'easy' first 12 fixtures. We CAN afford & attract all the 6 Top players still required but time is running out, I don't want to be posting on here on 1st Sept that we have missed our opportunity to strengthen. Come on Les & Ralph you have both said we will be stronger but no sign of it yet ! So sign THREE this week, two the following week & one (or more if any other leave), before the window closes. COYR&WS NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 15

4:03pm Sat 19 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Encase him concrete, drop him in the Solent and then claim the insurance.
Encase him concrete, drop him in the Solent and then claim the insurance. george chivers
  • Score: 8

4:28pm Sat 19 Jul 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ? NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 8

4:43pm Sat 19 Jul 14

jls217 says...

saintbobby wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him .

If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have .

Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing .

First real test of Koemans managerial ability
I am interested in your comparison of the 2 players.

Perhaps you would be good enough to explain how you are so sure as to their respective abilities..

I do admit not having heard of either player before they put on our shirt. So from what you have said, you are indeed an expert!

Please explain.
Pelle just about beats him on promptness and timekeeping.
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him . If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have . Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing . First real test of Koemans managerial ability[/p][/quote]I am interested in your comparison of the 2 players. Perhaps you would be good enough to explain how you are so sure as to their respective abilities.. I do admit not having heard of either player before they put on our shirt. So from what you have said, you are indeed an expert! Please explain.[/p][/quote]Pelle just about beats him on promptness and timekeeping. jls217
  • Score: 4

4:48pm Sat 19 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
What's going on? Absolutely nothing that I can see.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ?[/p][/quote]What's going on? Absolutely nothing that I can see. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 13

5:08pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Malcombe says...

OSPREYSAINT

I had to Google caveat emptor I've never heard it before its Latin, if it had been Spanish I probably would of known but all credit to you for causing my brain to stretch to the limit and that's painful at my age and I agree nothings going on and if rumours and speculation is painful ignore it and trust the Board I do.
OSPREYSAINT I had to Google caveat emptor I've never heard it before its Latin, if it had been Spanish I probably would of known but all credit to you for causing my brain to stretch to the limit and that's painful at my age and I agree nothings going on and if rumours and speculation is painful ignore it and trust the Board I do. Malcombe
  • Score: 3

5:09pm Sat 19 Jul 14

elvis says...

Is Dani the only player we have who Arsenal Lpool & Spuds are not interested in ?
Is Dani the only player we have who Arsenal Lpool & Spuds are not interested in ? elvis
  • Score: 9

5:31pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Stnana says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
What's going on? Absolutely nothing that I can see.
That's just it Osprey ,just because you, and the rest of us can't see it doesn't mean nothing is going on ! We can ,however , make some educated guesses. Cork still hasn't signed a new contract. I don't think in the circumstances many on here seriously believe he hasn't been offered one, especially since the injured Jay has ! His wife has tweeted in the last couple of weeks that she won't now be hosting the Ladies Day, and it has been cancelled this year. Fonte also hasn't signed a new contract and I'm pretty sure he would also have been offered one. If he goes there's no reason why Osvaldo can't return ! There have been rumours about Chambers for a while and the same with Spider. I, for one will be very surprised if we ever see Lovren in our new stripes. All 4 of our season tickets have now arrived so I'm still hoping for the best but preparing for more shocks. The worst of which would be if we lose Jack and Spider and retain Dani !
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ?[/p][/quote]What's going on? Absolutely nothing that I can see.[/p][/quote]That's just it Osprey ,just because you, and the rest of us can't see it doesn't mean nothing is going on ! We can ,however , make some educated guesses. Cork still hasn't signed a new contract. I don't think in the circumstances many on here seriously believe he hasn't been offered one, especially since the injured Jay has ! His wife has tweeted in the last couple of weeks that she won't now be hosting the Ladies Day, and it has been cancelled this year. Fonte also hasn't signed a new contract and I'm pretty sure he would also have been offered one. If he goes there's no reason why Osvaldo can't return ! There have been rumours about Chambers for a while and the same with Spider. I, for one will be very surprised if we ever see Lovren in our new stripes. All 4 of our season tickets have now arrived so I'm still hoping for the best but preparing for more shocks. The worst of which would be if we lose Jack and Spider and retain Dani ! Stnana
  • Score: -1

5:32pm Sat 19 Jul 14

InsideOutCat says...

jasons odd wrote:
saintbobby wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him .

If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have .

Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing .

First real test of Koemans managerial ability
I am interested in your comparison of the 2 players.

Perhaps you would be good enough to explain how you are so sure as to their respective abilities..

I do admit not having heard of either player before they put on our shirt. So from what you have said, you are indeed an expert!

Please explain.
Anyone who follows Italian football will tell you the same - Osvaldo is twice the player Pelle is.

Pelles record in his native league is atrocious, failed to make the grade in seria A , 4 seasons 3 clubs 25 appearances 1 goal .

Pretty much failed to impress for seria B clubs scoring 21 times in 82 appearances . 11 Italian u21 games 0 goals .

Yes he made a success in the much weaker dutch league , which doesn't say much about him .

Osvaldo has been a big success in italy and spain , you dont play for Roma and Juventus unless you are quality . Osvaldo has made many appearances for Italian team and was a certainty for world cup squad until his problems last season ...Pelle was never , and will never be even considered for his country .

Italian fans dont consider Pelle a decent player , there has been NO interest from any Italian clubs in bringing him home .

The gulf in quality between the two is obvious
The Italian team at this year's WC was custom built around Pirlo in the knowledge that he can always make things happen and the hope that he could do it seven times in a row. Neither Osvaldo nor Pelle would have got into that set-up because it wasn't put together to accomodate that sort of striker. As for the dutch league being of poor quality: pound for pound Dutch sides in European competitions seem to do very nicely. And what's the difference between signing Pelle from the allegedly second rate Eredivisie and the clamour to sign Ings on the strength of his performances in the actually second rate Championship?
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him . If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have . Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing . First real test of Koemans managerial ability[/p][/quote]I am interested in your comparison of the 2 players. Perhaps you would be good enough to explain how you are so sure as to their respective abilities.. I do admit not having heard of either player before they put on our shirt. So from what you have said, you are indeed an expert! Please explain.[/p][/quote]Anyone who follows Italian football will tell you the same - Osvaldo is twice the player Pelle is. Pelles record in his native league is atrocious, failed to make the grade in seria A , 4 seasons 3 clubs 25 appearances 1 goal . Pretty much failed to impress for seria B clubs scoring 21 times in 82 appearances . 11 Italian u21 games 0 goals . Yes he made a success in the much weaker dutch league , which doesn't say much about him . Osvaldo has been a big success in italy and spain , you dont play for Roma and Juventus unless you are quality . Osvaldo has made many appearances for Italian team and was a certainty for world cup squad until his problems last season ...Pelle was never , and will never be even considered for his country . Italian fans dont consider Pelle a decent player , there has been NO interest from any Italian clubs in bringing him home . The gulf in quality between the two is obvious[/p][/quote]The Italian team at this year's WC was custom built around Pirlo in the knowledge that he can always make things happen and the hope that he could do it seven times in a row. Neither Osvaldo nor Pelle would have got into that set-up because it wasn't put together to accomodate that sort of striker. As for the dutch league being of poor quality: pound for pound Dutch sides in European competitions seem to do very nicely. And what's the difference between signing Pelle from the allegedly second rate Eredivisie and the clamour to sign Ings on the strength of his performances in the actually second rate Championship? InsideOutCat
  • Score: 1

5:37pm Sat 19 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
NC Fan4Life,

You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches.

Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt.

Up the Saints!!!
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ?[/p][/quote]NC Fan4Life, You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches. Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt. Up the Saints!!! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 22

5:47pm Sat 19 Jul 14

promised land says...

Osvaldo no show ? I see him for what he is. A coward ! Unable to face up to the scene of disruption he caused.
Osvaldo no show ? I see him for what he is. A coward ! Unable to face up to the scene of disruption he caused. promised land
  • Score: 8

5:49pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Invidia says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Invidia wrote:
Delgardo ???
Delgardo? No, Delgado perhaps?
Good job we got google these days !!!!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: Delgardo ???[/p][/quote]Delgardo? No, Delgado perhaps?[/p][/quote]Good job we got google these days !!!! Invidia
  • Score: 3

6:23pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Mary80 says...

Dock his pay for every day he refuses to work simple as that, don't want to show up? Won't get paid
Dock his pay for every day he refuses to work simple as that, don't want to show up? Won't get paid Mary80
  • Score: 7

6:41pm Sat 19 Jul 14

jasons odd says...

InsideOutCat wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
saintbobby wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him .

If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have .

Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing .

First real test of Koemans managerial ability
I am interested in your comparison of the 2 players.

Perhaps you would be good enough to explain how you are so sure as to their respective abilities..

I do admit not having heard of either player before they put on our shirt. So from what you have said, you are indeed an expert!

Please explain.
Anyone who follows Italian football will tell you the same - Osvaldo is twice the player Pelle is.

Pelles record in his native league is atrocious, failed to make the grade in seria A , 4 seasons 3 clubs 25 appearances 1 goal .

Pretty much failed to impress for seria B clubs scoring 21 times in 82 appearances . 11 Italian u21 games 0 goals .

Yes he made a success in the much weaker dutch league , which doesn't say much about him .

Osvaldo has been a big success in italy and spain , you dont play for Roma and Juventus unless you are quality . Osvaldo has made many appearances for Italian team and was a certainty for world cup squad until his problems last season ...Pelle was never , and will never be even considered for his country .

Italian fans dont consider Pelle a decent player , there has been NO interest from any Italian clubs in bringing him home .

The gulf in quality between the two is obvious
The Italian team at this year's WC was custom built around Pirlo in the knowledge that he can always make things happen and the hope that he could do it seven times in a row. Neither Osvaldo nor Pelle would have got into that set-up because it wasn't put together to accomodate that sort of striker. As for the dutch league being of poor quality: pound for pound Dutch sides in European competitions seem to do very nicely. And what's the difference between signing Pelle from the allegedly second rate Eredivisie and the clamour to sign Ings on the strength of his performances in the actually second rate Championship?
1. Osvaldo was an important player in the squad until his recent problems , Pelle is so far down the list he wouldn't play if all the italy strikers were injured . Pirlo has nothing to do with it . Its a nonsense comment considering Osvaldo has been playing WITH pirlo for over a year in that team

2. Lambert has scored goals wherever whenever he played ...Pelle has been pooe except the last 2 seasons

3. No Dutch club has even got to a European final since 2002 and not won a trophy since 1995 . Dutch clubs do NOT do well in Europe , getting out of group stages is a rarity

4 . Ings is young , will improve and has proved he is suited to English football . Pelle is 29 and even Ricky van Wolfswinkel was prolific in Holland
[quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him . If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have . Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing . First real test of Koemans managerial ability[/p][/quote]I am interested in your comparison of the 2 players. Perhaps you would be good enough to explain how you are so sure as to their respective abilities.. I do admit not having heard of either player before they put on our shirt. So from what you have said, you are indeed an expert! Please explain.[/p][/quote]Anyone who follows Italian football will tell you the same - Osvaldo is twice the player Pelle is. Pelles record in his native league is atrocious, failed to make the grade in seria A , 4 seasons 3 clubs 25 appearances 1 goal . Pretty much failed to impress for seria B clubs scoring 21 times in 82 appearances . 11 Italian u21 games 0 goals . Yes he made a success in the much weaker dutch league , which doesn't say much about him . Osvaldo has been a big success in italy and spain , you dont play for Roma and Juventus unless you are quality . Osvaldo has made many appearances for Italian team and was a certainty for world cup squad until his problems last season ...Pelle was never , and will never be even considered for his country . Italian fans dont consider Pelle a decent player , there has been NO interest from any Italian clubs in bringing him home . The gulf in quality between the two is obvious[/p][/quote]The Italian team at this year's WC was custom built around Pirlo in the knowledge that he can always make things happen and the hope that he could do it seven times in a row. Neither Osvaldo nor Pelle would have got into that set-up because it wasn't put together to accomodate that sort of striker. As for the dutch league being of poor quality: pound for pound Dutch sides in European competitions seem to do very nicely. And what's the difference between signing Pelle from the allegedly second rate Eredivisie and the clamour to sign Ings on the strength of his performances in the actually second rate Championship?[/p][/quote]1. Osvaldo was an important player in the squad until his recent problems , Pelle is so far down the list he wouldn't play if all the italy strikers were injured . Pirlo has nothing to do with it . Its a nonsense comment considering Osvaldo has been playing WITH pirlo for over a year in that team 2. Lambert has scored goals wherever whenever he played ...Pelle has been pooe except the last 2 seasons 3. No Dutch club has even got to a European final since 2002 and not won a trophy since 1995 . Dutch clubs do NOT do well in Europe , getting out of group stages is a rarity 4 . Ings is young , will improve and has proved he is suited to English football . Pelle is 29 and even Ricky van Wolfswinkel was prolific in Holland jasons odd
  • Score: 5

6:54pm Sat 19 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Invidia wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Invidia wrote:
Delgardo ???
Delgardo? No, Delgado perhaps?
Good job we got google these days !!!!
Pity that you don't appear to use it!
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: Delgardo ???[/p][/quote]Delgardo? No, Delgado perhaps?[/p][/quote]Good job we got google these days !!!![/p][/quote]Pity that you don't appear to use it! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

7:02pm Sat 19 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

jasons odd wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
saintbobby wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him .

If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have .

Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing .

First real test of Koemans managerial ability
I am interested in your comparison of the 2 players.

Perhaps you would be good enough to explain how you are so sure as to their respective abilities..

I do admit not having heard of either player before they put on our shirt. So from what you have said, you are indeed an expert!

Please explain.
Anyone who follows Italian football will tell you the same - Osvaldo is twice the player Pelle is.

Pelles record in his native league is atrocious, failed to make the grade in seria A , 4 seasons 3 clubs 25 appearances 1 goal .

Pretty much failed to impress for seria B clubs scoring 21 times in 82 appearances . 11 Italian u21 games 0 goals .

Yes he made a success in the much weaker dutch league , which doesn't say much about him .

Osvaldo has been a big success in italy and spain , you dont play for Roma and Juventus unless you are quality . Osvaldo has made many appearances for Italian team and was a certainty for world cup squad until his problems last season ...Pelle was never , and will never be even considered for his country .

Italian fans dont consider Pelle a decent player , there has been NO interest from any Italian clubs in bringing him home .

The gulf in quality between the two is obvious
The Italian team at this year's WC was custom built around Pirlo in the knowledge that he can always make things happen and the hope that he could do it seven times in a row. Neither Osvaldo nor Pelle would have got into that set-up because it wasn't put together to accomodate that sort of striker. As for the dutch league being of poor quality: pound for pound Dutch sides in European competitions seem to do very nicely. And what's the difference between signing Pelle from the allegedly second rate Eredivisie and the clamour to sign Ings on the strength of his performances in the actually second rate Championship?
1. Osvaldo was an important player in the squad until his recent problems , Pelle is so far down the list he wouldn't play if all the italy strikers were injured . Pirlo has nothing to do with it . Its a nonsense comment considering Osvaldo has been playing WITH pirlo for over a year in that team

2. Lambert has scored goals wherever whenever he played ...Pelle has been pooe except the last 2 seasons

3. No Dutch club has even got to a European final since 2002 and not won a trophy since 1995 . Dutch clubs do NOT do well in Europe , getting out of group stages is a rarity

4 . Ings is young , will improve and has proved he is suited to English football . Pelle is 29 and even Ricky van Wolfswinkel was prolific in Holland
1. Pelle has done well, but is an unknown quantity so can't be judged until he has had a chance to prove himself in the Premier, you are saying he won't be any good without ever seeing him play.
2. Lambert has scored goals thanks to the players that supplied the opportunities, whether he will get the same chances with scouse remains to be seen.
3. Don't know enough to make a valid comment, they didn't do bad in the World Cup though, so there must been some good there.
4. Ings doesn't want to come here so forget him, Pelle is 29 for some that's in their prime. Poor old van Wolfswinkel who you seem to have an obsession with, was on our radar, but chose. wrongly, imo, to go to Norwich who misused his obvious ability and talent.
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him . If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have . Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing . First real test of Koemans managerial ability[/p][/quote]I am interested in your comparison of the 2 players. Perhaps you would be good enough to explain how you are so sure as to their respective abilities.. I do admit not having heard of either player before they put on our shirt. So from what you have said, you are indeed an expert! Please explain.[/p][/quote]Anyone who follows Italian football will tell you the same - Osvaldo is twice the player Pelle is. Pelles record in his native league is atrocious, failed to make the grade in seria A , 4 seasons 3 clubs 25 appearances 1 goal . Pretty much failed to impress for seria B clubs scoring 21 times in 82 appearances . 11 Italian u21 games 0 goals . Yes he made a success in the much weaker dutch league , which doesn't say much about him . Osvaldo has been a big success in italy and spain , you dont play for Roma and Juventus unless you are quality . Osvaldo has made many appearances for Italian team and was a certainty for world cup squad until his problems last season ...Pelle was never , and will never be even considered for his country . Italian fans dont consider Pelle a decent player , there has been NO interest from any Italian clubs in bringing him home . The gulf in quality between the two is obvious[/p][/quote]The Italian team at this year's WC was custom built around Pirlo in the knowledge that he can always make things happen and the hope that he could do it seven times in a row. Neither Osvaldo nor Pelle would have got into that set-up because it wasn't put together to accomodate that sort of striker. As for the dutch league being of poor quality: pound for pound Dutch sides in European competitions seem to do very nicely. And what's the difference between signing Pelle from the allegedly second rate Eredivisie and the clamour to sign Ings on the strength of his performances in the actually second rate Championship?[/p][/quote]1. Osvaldo was an important player in the squad until his recent problems , Pelle is so far down the list he wouldn't play if all the italy strikers were injured . Pirlo has nothing to do with it . Its a nonsense comment considering Osvaldo has been playing WITH pirlo for over a year in that team 2. Lambert has scored goals wherever whenever he played ...Pelle has been pooe except the last 2 seasons 3. No Dutch club has even got to a European final since 2002 and not won a trophy since 1995 . Dutch clubs do NOT do well in Europe , getting out of group stages is a rarity 4 . Ings is young , will improve and has proved he is suited to English football . Pelle is 29 and even Ricky van Wolfswinkel was prolific in Holland[/p][/quote]1. Pelle has done well, but is an unknown quantity so can't be judged until he has had a chance to prove himself in the Premier, you are saying he won't be any good without ever seeing him play. 2. Lambert has scored goals thanks to the players that supplied the opportunities, whether he will get the same chances with scouse remains to be seen. 3. Don't know enough to make a valid comment, they didn't do bad in the World Cup though, so there must been some good there. 4. Ings doesn't want to come here so forget him, Pelle is 29 for some that's in their prime. Poor old van Wolfswinkel who you seem to have an obsession with, was on our radar, but chose. wrongly, imo, to go to Norwich who misused his obvious ability and talent. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

7:10pm Sat 19 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

promised land wrote:
Osvaldo no show ? I see him for what he is. A coward ! Unable to face up to the scene of disruption he caused.
That is a valid opinion, but we don't actually have any real facts to base any opinion on. As far as I am concerned our Club have accepted his sick note, so presumably there is a real reason for his absence. If he is in breach of contract, that will be for the legal eagles to sort out, not a bunch of keyboard warriors with personal issues.
[quote][p][bold]promised land[/bold] wrote: Osvaldo no show ? I see him for what he is. A coward ! Unable to face up to the scene of disruption he caused.[/p][/quote]That is a valid opinion, but we don't actually have any real facts to base any opinion on. As far as I am concerned our Club have accepted his sick note, so presumably there is a real reason for his absence. If he is in breach of contract, that will be for the legal eagles to sort out, not a bunch of keyboard warriors with personal issues. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

7:13pm Sat 19 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Stnana wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
What's going on? Absolutely nothing that I can see.
That's just it Osprey ,just because you, and the rest of us can't see it doesn't mean nothing is going on ! We can ,however , make some educated guesses. Cork still hasn't signed a new contract. I don't think in the circumstances many on here seriously believe he hasn't been offered one, especially since the injured Jay has ! His wife has tweeted in the last couple of weeks that she won't now be hosting the Ladies Day, and it has been cancelled this year. Fonte also hasn't signed a new contract and I'm pretty sure he would also have been offered one. If he goes there's no reason why Osvaldo can't return ! There have been rumours about Chambers for a while and the same with Spider. I, for one will be very surprised if we ever see Lovren in our new stripes. All 4 of our season tickets have now arrived so I'm still hoping for the best but preparing for more shocks. The worst of which would be if we lose Jack and Spider and retain Dani !
For someone that like me, that knows very little you have said rather a lot.
[quote][p][bold]Stnana[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ?[/p][/quote]What's going on? Absolutely nothing that I can see.[/p][/quote]That's just it Osprey ,just because you, and the rest of us can't see it doesn't mean nothing is going on ! We can ,however , make some educated guesses. Cork still hasn't signed a new contract. I don't think in the circumstances many on here seriously believe he hasn't been offered one, especially since the injured Jay has ! His wife has tweeted in the last couple of weeks that she won't now be hosting the Ladies Day, and it has been cancelled this year. Fonte also hasn't signed a new contract and I'm pretty sure he would also have been offered one. If he goes there's no reason why Osvaldo can't return ! There have been rumours about Chambers for a while and the same with Spider. I, for one will be very surprised if we ever see Lovren in our new stripes. All 4 of our season tickets have now arrived so I'm still hoping for the best but preparing for more shocks. The worst of which would be if we lose Jack and Spider and retain Dani ![/p][/quote]For someone that like me, that knows very little you have said rather a lot. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

7:19pm Sat 19 Jul 14

miltonarcher says...

I think in view of the fact Poch lumbered the club with this fool perhaps He should buy him for Spuds.
I think in view of the fact Poch lumbered the club with this fool perhaps He should buy him for Spuds. miltonarcher
  • Score: 2

7:38pm Sat 19 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

miltonarcher wrote:
I think in view of the fact Poch lumbered the club with this fool perhaps He should buy him for Spuds.
Judging by what Poch has said today, he hasn't any money to buy anyone at all.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: I think in view of the fact Poch lumbered the club with this fool perhaps He should buy him for Spuds.[/p][/quote]Judging by what Poch has said today, he hasn't any money to buy anyone at all. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

7:38pm Sat 19 Jul 14

peregrine73 says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
NC Fan4Life,

You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches.

Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt.

Up the Saints!!!
Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon!
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ?[/p][/quote]NC Fan4Life, You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches. Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon! peregrine73
  • Score: 4

7:40pm Sat 19 Jul 14

southamptonadi says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
saintbobby wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him .

If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have .

Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing .

First real test of Koemans managerial ability
I am interested in your comparison of the 2 players.

Perhaps you would be good enough to explain how you are so sure as to their respective abilities..

I do admit not having heard of either player before they put on our shirt. So from what you have said, you are indeed an expert!

Please explain.
Anyone who follows Italian football will tell you the same - Osvaldo is twice the player Pelle is.

Pelles record in his native league is atrocious, failed to make the grade in seria A , 4 seasons 3 clubs 25 appearances 1 goal .

Pretty much failed to impress for seria B clubs scoring 21 times in 82 appearances . 11 Italian u21 games 0 goals .

Yes he made a success in the much weaker dutch league , which doesn't say much about him .

Osvaldo has been a big success in italy and spain , you dont play for Roma and Juventus unless you are quality . Osvaldo has made many appearances for Italian team and was a certainty for world cup squad until his problems last season ...Pelle was never , and will never be even considered for his country .

Italian fans dont consider Pelle a decent player , there has been NO interest from any Italian clubs in bringing him home .

The gulf in quality between the two is obvious
The Italian team at this year's WC was custom built around Pirlo in the knowledge that he can always make things happen and the hope that he could do it seven times in a row. Neither Osvaldo nor Pelle would have got into that set-up because it wasn't put together to accomodate that sort of striker. As for the dutch league being of poor quality: pound for pound Dutch sides in European competitions seem to do very nicely. And what's the difference between signing Pelle from the allegedly second rate Eredivisie and the clamour to sign Ings on the strength of his performances in the actually second rate Championship?
1. Osvaldo was an important player in the squad until his recent problems , Pelle is so far down the list he wouldn't play if all the italy strikers were injured . Pirlo has nothing to do with it . Its a nonsense comment considering Osvaldo has been playing WITH pirlo for over a year in that team

2. Lambert has scored goals wherever whenever he played ...Pelle has been pooe except the last 2 seasons

3. No Dutch club has even got to a European final since 2002 and not won a trophy since 1995 . Dutch clubs do NOT do well in Europe , getting out of group stages is a rarity

4 . Ings is young , will improve and has proved he is suited to English football . Pelle is 29 and even Ricky van Wolfswinkel was prolific in Holland
1. Pelle has done well, but is an unknown quantity so can't be judged until he has had a chance to prove himself in the Premier, you are saying he won't be any good without ever seeing him play.
2. Lambert has scored goals thanks to the players that supplied the opportunities, whether he will get the same chances with scouse remains to be seen.
3. Don't know enough to make a valid comment, they didn't do bad in the World Cup though, so there must been some good there.
4. Ings doesn't want to come here so forget him, Pelle is 29 for some that's in their prime. Poor old van Wolfswinkel who you seem to have an obsession with, was on our radar, but chose. wrongly, imo, to go to Norwich who misused his obvious ability and talent.
Yeah, what is it with Norich they take a quality striker in hooper and practically destroy him. He really should of come here.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him . If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have . Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing . First real test of Koemans managerial ability[/p][/quote]I am interested in your comparison of the 2 players. Perhaps you would be good enough to explain how you are so sure as to their respective abilities.. I do admit not having heard of either player before they put on our shirt. So from what you have said, you are indeed an expert! Please explain.[/p][/quote]Anyone who follows Italian football will tell you the same - Osvaldo is twice the player Pelle is. Pelles record in his native league is atrocious, failed to make the grade in seria A , 4 seasons 3 clubs 25 appearances 1 goal . Pretty much failed to impress for seria B clubs scoring 21 times in 82 appearances . 11 Italian u21 games 0 goals . Yes he made a success in the much weaker dutch league , which doesn't say much about him . Osvaldo has been a big success in italy and spain , you dont play for Roma and Juventus unless you are quality . Osvaldo has made many appearances for Italian team and was a certainty for world cup squad until his problems last season ...Pelle was never , and will never be even considered for his country . Italian fans dont consider Pelle a decent player , there has been NO interest from any Italian clubs in bringing him home . The gulf in quality between the two is obvious[/p][/quote]The Italian team at this year's WC was custom built around Pirlo in the knowledge that he can always make things happen and the hope that he could do it seven times in a row. Neither Osvaldo nor Pelle would have got into that set-up because it wasn't put together to accomodate that sort of striker. As for the dutch league being of poor quality: pound for pound Dutch sides in European competitions seem to do very nicely. And what's the difference between signing Pelle from the allegedly second rate Eredivisie and the clamour to sign Ings on the strength of his performances in the actually second rate Championship?[/p][/quote]1. Osvaldo was an important player in the squad until his recent problems , Pelle is so far down the list he wouldn't play if all the italy strikers were injured . Pirlo has nothing to do with it . Its a nonsense comment considering Osvaldo has been playing WITH pirlo for over a year in that team 2. Lambert has scored goals wherever whenever he played ...Pelle has been pooe except the last 2 seasons 3. No Dutch club has even got to a European final since 2002 and not won a trophy since 1995 . Dutch clubs do NOT do well in Europe , getting out of group stages is a rarity 4 . Ings is young , will improve and has proved he is suited to English football . Pelle is 29 and even Ricky van Wolfswinkel was prolific in Holland[/p][/quote]1. Pelle has done well, but is an unknown quantity so can't be judged until he has had a chance to prove himself in the Premier, you are saying he won't be any good without ever seeing him play. 2. Lambert has scored goals thanks to the players that supplied the opportunities, whether he will get the same chances with scouse remains to be seen. 3. Don't know enough to make a valid comment, they didn't do bad in the World Cup though, so there must been some good there. 4. Ings doesn't want to come here so forget him, Pelle is 29 for some that's in their prime. Poor old van Wolfswinkel who you seem to have an obsession with, was on our radar, but chose. wrongly, imo, to go to Norwich who misused his obvious ability and talent.[/p][/quote]Yeah, what is it with Norich they take a quality striker in hooper and practically destroy him. He really should of come here. southamptonadi
  • Score: 6

7:48pm Sat 19 Jul 14

nomorerumours says...

the Newmarket Saint wrote:
This sould be a lesson to everybody telling saints to go out and buy now ,, give Ron a chance to check out his squad before he dives in with the clubs cash too many of our big purchases have not been good ones ,I have faith in Ron we are looking to the future not just the next couple of games
COYR
I agree 100% with the Newmarket Saint. Although many recent issues have, quite understandably, provoked mixed feelings amongst Saints fans, it is good to see that almost all of us agree about Osvaldo. I shall make some comments in the same jovial spirit. If RK cannot persuade Lovren to stay then we should enter both Osvaldo (assuming we can find him) and Lovren into a fight to the death We sell the winner to Liverpool for an extortionate fee and we sell the loser to Liverpool for an even more extortionate fee! If we cannot find Osvaldo, the club should claim for the £12m loss on its insurance policy.
[quote][p][bold]the Newmarket Saint[/bold] wrote: This sould be a lesson to everybody telling saints to go out and buy now ,, give Ron a chance to check out his squad before he dives in with the clubs cash too many of our big purchases have not been good ones ,I have faith in Ron we are looking to the future not just the next couple of games COYR[/p][/quote]I agree 100% with the Newmarket Saint. Although many recent issues have, quite understandably, provoked mixed feelings amongst Saints fans, it is good to see that almost all of us agree about Osvaldo. I shall make some comments in the same jovial spirit. If RK cannot persuade Lovren to stay then we should enter both Osvaldo (assuming we can find him) and Lovren into a fight to the death We sell the winner to Liverpool for an extortionate fee and we sell the loser to Liverpool for an even more extortionate fee! If we cannot find Osvaldo, the club should claim for the £12m loss on its insurance policy. nomorerumours
  • Score: 2

8:00pm Sat 19 Jul 14

nomorerumours says...

Malcombe wrote:
OSPREYSAINT

I had to Google caveat emptor I've never heard it before its Latin, if it had been Spanish I probably would of known but all credit to you for causing my brain to stretch to the limit and that's painful at my age and I agree nothings going on and if rumours and speculation is painful ignore it and trust the Board I do.
Absolutely agree with OspreySaint - for others it means "buyer beware" and often appears in the small print in certain sales contracts (eg: second hand cars rather than footballers).
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: OSPREYSAINT I had to Google caveat emptor I've never heard it before its Latin, if it had been Spanish I probably would of known but all credit to you for causing my brain to stretch to the limit and that's painful at my age and I agree nothings going on and if rumours and speculation is painful ignore it and trust the Board I do.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree with OspreySaint - for others it means "buyer beware" and often appears in the small print in certain sales contracts (eg: second hand cars rather than footballers). nomorerumours
  • Score: 4

8:14pm Sat 19 Jul 14

slugger says...

peregrine73 wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
NC Fan4Life,

You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches.

Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt.

Up the Saints!!!
Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon!
Glad I don't sit next to you at St Marys ........... But then my guess I that you don't sit next to anyone .
[quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ?[/p][/quote]NC Fan4Life, You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches. Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon![/p][/quote]Glad I don't sit next to you at St Marys ........... But then my guess I that you don't sit next to anyone . slugger
  • Score: 6

8:14pm Sat 19 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

peregrine73 wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
NC Fan4Life,

You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches.

Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt.

Up the Saints!!!
Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon!
I somehow find it hard to believe that people want to accuse a billionaire of taking back her own money? Where is your evidence that we are going to be asset stripped, if that was true why would there be sanctions to continue with the Academy, new floodlights, new pitch and underfloor heating e.t.c. new manager, 2 players in and hopefully more to come, employing a new Board to run the Club, if any players go, top price demanded, to be put back into replacements. Some smoke screen.
[quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ?[/p][/quote]NC Fan4Life, You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches. Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon![/p][/quote]I somehow find it hard to believe that people want to accuse a billionaire of taking back her own money? Where is your evidence that we are going to be asset stripped, if that was true why would there be sanctions to continue with the Academy, new floodlights, new pitch and underfloor heating e.t.c. new manager, 2 players in and hopefully more to come, employing a new Board to run the Club, if any players go, top price demanded, to be put back into replacements. Some smoke screen. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 6

8:37pm Sat 19 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

jasons odd wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
saintbobby wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him .

If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have .

Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing .

First real test of Koemans managerial ability
I am interested in your comparison of the 2 players.

Perhaps you would be good enough to explain how you are so sure as to their respective abilities..

I do admit not having heard of either player before they put on our shirt. So from what you have said, you are indeed an expert!

Please explain.
Anyone who follows Italian football will tell you the same - Osvaldo is twice the player Pelle is.

Pelles record in his native league is atrocious, failed to make the grade in seria A , 4 seasons 3 clubs 25 appearances 1 goal .

Pretty much failed to impress for seria B clubs scoring 21 times in 82 appearances . 11 Italian u21 games 0 goals .

Yes he made a success in the much weaker dutch league , which doesn't say much about him .

Osvaldo has been a big success in italy and spain , you dont play for Roma and Juventus unless you are quality . Osvaldo has made many appearances for Italian team and was a certainty for world cup squad until his problems last season ...Pelle was never , and will never be even considered for his country .

Italian fans dont consider Pelle a decent player , there has been NO interest from any Italian clubs in bringing him home .

The gulf in quality between the two is obvious
The Italian team at this year's WC was custom built around Pirlo in the knowledge that he can always make things happen and the hope that he could do it seven times in a row. Neither Osvaldo nor Pelle would have got into that set-up because it wasn't put together to accomodate that sort of striker. As for the dutch league being of poor quality: pound for pound Dutch sides in European competitions seem to do very nicely. And what's the difference between signing Pelle from the allegedly second rate Eredivisie and the clamour to sign Ings on the strength of his performances in the actually second rate Championship?
1. Osvaldo was an important player in the squad until his recent problems , Pelle is so far down the list he wouldn't play if all the italy strikers were injured . Pirlo has nothing to do with it . Its a nonsense comment considering Osvaldo has been playing WITH pirlo for over a year in that team

2. Lambert has scored goals wherever whenever he played ...Pelle has been pooe except the last 2 seasons

3. No Dutch club has even got to a European final since 2002 and not won a trophy since 1995 . Dutch clubs do NOT do well in Europe , getting out of group stages is a rarity

4 . Ings is young , will improve and has proved he is suited to English football . Pelle is 29 and even Ricky van Wolfswinkel was prolific in Holland
1. Osvaldo was never an important player in the Italian national team. you cant say he was ever a regular player nor that he has been playing with pirlo for over a year. Osvaldo got his break because of injuries and then was dropped because of his shouting match with his coach at roma. he was later recalled to the squad but, and I think this is quite important, he wasn't picked for either the world cup or the confederations cup last year. so not being picked for the world cup had nothing to do with his form or behaviour, he was never in the frame. his international record isn't that spectacular anyway, 4 goals from 12 games over 3yrs might sound ok but 2 of them were in one game against Bulgaria another against Armenia and the last against Denmark.

Osvaldo could be a good player but his ego is way too big. his comments on being dropped show that;
"I had been part of this group for two years and always felt important, so I was disappointed and upset at not being called up," Osvaldo told Sky Sport Italia.


"It was a strange year for me, but having always been called in the past – and even starting in the last friendly against Spain in March – I hoped to be included.

he hoped to be included after the year hes just had? really dani?
having always been called in the past? again really?
2011 2caps 0 goals
2012 4caps 3 goals
2013 6caps 1goal
all competitive matches.
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: Osvaldo is still twice the player Pelle is , Koeman should be trying to get the best out of him rather than just dumping him . If we could get Osvaldo playing , what a player we would have . Its what management is all about - dealing with players like Osvaldo /Balotelli /Suarez etc ...getting them performing . First real test of Koemans managerial ability[/p][/quote]I am interested in your comparison of the 2 players. Perhaps you would be good enough to explain how you are so sure as to their respective abilities.. I do admit not having heard of either player before they put on our shirt. So from what you have said, you are indeed an expert! Please explain.[/p][/quote]Anyone who follows Italian football will tell you the same - Osvaldo is twice the player Pelle is. Pelles record in his native league is atrocious, failed to make the grade in seria A , 4 seasons 3 clubs 25 appearances 1 goal . Pretty much failed to impress for seria B clubs scoring 21 times in 82 appearances . 11 Italian u21 games 0 goals . Yes he made a success in the much weaker dutch league , which doesn't say much about him . Osvaldo has been a big success in italy and spain , you dont play for Roma and Juventus unless you are quality . Osvaldo has made many appearances for Italian team and was a certainty for world cup squad until his problems last season ...Pelle was never , and will never be even considered for his country . Italian fans dont consider Pelle a decent player , there has been NO interest from any Italian clubs in bringing him home . The gulf in quality between the two is obvious[/p][/quote]The Italian team at this year's WC was custom built around Pirlo in the knowledge that he can always make things happen and the hope that he could do it seven times in a row. Neither Osvaldo nor Pelle would have got into that set-up because it wasn't put together to accomodate that sort of striker. As for the dutch league being of poor quality: pound for pound Dutch sides in European competitions seem to do very nicely. And what's the difference between signing Pelle from the allegedly second rate Eredivisie and the clamour to sign Ings on the strength of his performances in the actually second rate Championship?[/p][/quote]1. Osvaldo was an important player in the squad until his recent problems , Pelle is so far down the list he wouldn't play if all the italy strikers were injured . Pirlo has nothing to do with it . Its a nonsense comment considering Osvaldo has been playing WITH pirlo for over a year in that team 2. Lambert has scored goals wherever whenever he played ...Pelle has been pooe except the last 2 seasons 3. No Dutch club has even got to a European final since 2002 and not won a trophy since 1995 . Dutch clubs do NOT do well in Europe , getting out of group stages is a rarity 4 . Ings is young , will improve and has proved he is suited to English football . Pelle is 29 and even Ricky van Wolfswinkel was prolific in Holland[/p][/quote]1. Osvaldo was never an important player in the Italian national team. you cant say he was ever a regular player nor that he has been playing with pirlo for over a year. Osvaldo got his break because of injuries and then was dropped because of his shouting match with his coach at roma. he was later recalled to the squad but, and I think this is quite important, he wasn't picked for either the world cup or the confederations cup last year. so not being picked for the world cup had nothing to do with his form or behaviour, he was never in the frame. his international record isn't that spectacular anyway, 4 goals from 12 games over 3yrs might sound ok but 2 of them were in one game against Bulgaria another against Armenia and the last against Denmark. Osvaldo could be a good player but his ego is way too big. his comments on being dropped show that; "I had been part of this group for two years and always felt important, so I was disappointed and upset at not being called up," Osvaldo told Sky Sport Italia. "It was a strange year for me, but having always been called in the past – and even starting in the last friendly against Spain in March – I hoped to be included. he hoped to be included after the year hes just had? really dani? having always been called in the past? again really? 2011 2caps 0 goals 2012 4caps 3 goals 2013 6caps 1goal all competitive matches. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -7

8:50pm Sat 19 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

slugger wrote:
peregrine73 wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
NC Fan4Life,

You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches.

Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt.

Up the Saints!!!
Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon!
Glad I don't sit next to you at St Marys ........... But then my guess I that you don't sit next to anyone .
I am glad you don't sit next to him/her at St Marys, I would fear for his/her safety.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ?[/p][/quote]NC Fan4Life, You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches. Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon![/p][/quote]Glad I don't sit next to you at St Marys ........... But then my guess I that you don't sit next to anyone .[/p][/quote]I am glad you don't sit next to him/her at St Marys, I would fear for his/her safety. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

9:00pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Chapperall says...

Total waste of space, another player who thinks he a better player thn he a actually is!
The trouble who will buy him with his reputation, just another example that Poch made some bad mistakes and this is just one of them..
Total waste of space, another player who thinks he a better player thn he a actually is! The trouble who will buy him with his reputation, just another example that Poch made some bad mistakes and this is just one of them.. Chapperall
  • Score: 3

9:03pm Sat 19 Jul 14

bullsbags says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
We must pay poor Danni SICK PAY about 70 quid a week I think
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ?[/p][/quote]We must pay poor Danni SICK PAY about 70 quid a week I think bullsbags
  • Score: 4

9:29pm Sat 19 Jul 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Received my season ticket and got quite excited to find a booklet in the pack, but then disappointed to find it was totally full of fans story's. OK, but nothing in it about anything else. We are starting a new season with a new board and new management team, so there should have been plenty of information about them all to relay to us.

It is the same with the first team at the moment, it is a nice pack (as good new management team) that is concealing nothing else (cos all players are leaving).

I accept that ignoring the revolving door of players that is about to speed up with at least 3 or 4 more departing shortly, was probably a correct decision not to highlight this.

We must have half a dozen young players breaking through next season to allow so many to leave. I can't think of a single first team player who has not been rumored to be wanting to leave this summer. That must be a first for any club, especially after having a really GOOD previous season !!
There must have been more going on behind the scene than we were informed of to totally dismantle a team that took 5 years to build and was ready to kick onto to another level.

Well whatever the reason, the Koeman Brothers can now build their own team, so lets forget this season as it is obviously going to be a rebuilding season that hopefully keeps us clear of the relegation zone, to hopefully come back stronger the following season or two.

The main problem is that we are selling very good players some quite young who have proved themselves in the Prem, however our record of buying good quality ones is only about 1 in 3.

Hopefully Saints don't waste the money on mediocre players who end up as cover, as that will take us even longer to come back. RonKo is only on a 3 year contract !!

Advice to those buying the new shirt, put your own name on the back as we don't know who will be "In that Number, when the Saints come matching in" by 2nd September !!

Supporting Saints is never a dull moment, so after 50 years with a season ticket, I don't know why I still get so emotional.

COYR&WS
Received my season ticket and got quite excited to find a booklet in the pack, but then disappointed to find it was totally full of fans story's. OK, but nothing in it about anything else. We are starting a new season with a new board and new management team, so there should have been plenty of information about them all to relay to us. It is the same with the first team at the moment, it is a nice pack (as good new management team) that is concealing nothing else (cos all players are leaving). I accept that ignoring the revolving door of players that is about to speed up with at least 3 or 4 more departing shortly, was probably a correct decision not to highlight this. We must have half a dozen young players breaking through next season to allow so many to leave. I can't think of a single first team player who has not been rumored to be wanting to leave this summer. That must be a first for any club, especially after having a really GOOD previous season !! There must have been more going on behind the scene than we were informed of to totally dismantle a team that took 5 years to build and was ready to kick onto to another level. Well whatever the reason, the Koeman Brothers can now build their own team, so lets forget this season as it is obviously going to be a rebuilding season that hopefully keeps us clear of the relegation zone, to hopefully come back stronger the following season or two. The main problem is that we are selling very good players some quite young who have proved themselves in the Prem, however our record of buying good quality ones is only about 1 in 3. Hopefully Saints don't waste the money on mediocre players who end up as cover, as that will take us even longer to come back. RonKo is only on a 3 year contract !! Advice to those buying the new shirt, put your own name on the back as we don't know who will be "In that Number, when the Saints come matching in" by 2nd September !! Supporting Saints is never a dull moment, so after 50 years with a season ticket, I don't know why I still get so emotional. COYR&WS NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 12

9:35pm Sat 19 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

peregrine73 wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
NC Fan4Life,

You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches.

Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt.

Up the Saints!!!
Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon!
peregrine73,

Your opinion is flawed for two very obvious reasons. I believe I read that money from player sales has not gone to Katharina, but has been made available for player purchases. There is also the little matter of Saints having recently brought Ronald Koeman to the club. He is the highest profile manager in the history of Saints.

You are right that it is time to realise something. It is time to realise that the signing of Ronald Koeman as manager should be more than sufficient proof to the doom mongers that Southampton FC is an ambitious club that is being run within its means.

Do you believe that Katharina is stupid? I don't. Only a fool would dismantle the club, thus definitely decreasing its value. As always, Southampton FC's business is conducted in private, with the sole aim of benefitting the club. Remarkable progress has been made by Saints for five seasons. Much is being done at St. Marys to continue that progress. Players are always bought or sold at this time of year. Transfers out do not mean that the club is being dismantled, but as you think that is the case, I would be interested in your opinion on why Saints now have such a high profile manager and have already started buying in players, with Ron's approval. Any more player arrivals or departures that happen will obviously be with Ron's full knowledge and with the aim of improving the squad.

I am optimistic about next season. I leave all the worrying to the doom monger neggie veggies!!!
[quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ?[/p][/quote]NC Fan4Life, You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches. Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon![/p][/quote]peregrine73, Your opinion is flawed for two very obvious reasons. I believe I read that money from player sales has not gone to Katharina, but has been made available for player purchases. There is also the little matter of Saints having recently brought Ronald Koeman to the club. He is the highest profile manager in the history of Saints. You are right that it is time to realise something. It is time to realise that the signing of Ronald Koeman as manager should be more than sufficient proof to the doom mongers that Southampton FC is an ambitious club that is being run within its means. Do you believe that Katharina is stupid? I don't. Only a fool would dismantle the club, thus definitely decreasing its value. As always, Southampton FC's business is conducted in private, with the sole aim of benefitting the club. Remarkable progress has been made by Saints for five seasons. Much is being done at St. Marys to continue that progress. Players are always bought or sold at this time of year. Transfers out do not mean that the club is being dismantled, but as you think that is the case, I would be interested in your opinion on why Saints now have such a high profile manager and have already started buying in players, with Ron's approval. Any more player arrivals or departures that happen will obviously be with Ron's full knowledge and with the aim of improving the squad. I am optimistic about next season. I leave all the worrying to the doom monger neggie veggies!!! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 0

9:56pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

It might be that the club weren't trying to asset strip but their refusal to back the plan led to the loss of the management team. The quick sale of Rickie, took 3 days I think, was seen as a generous thing but meant we had sold our talisman and a player who the rest of the team respected and looked to for guidance. I think things then got a momentum of their own. As result of this Adam and Luke were gone with Morgan hinting strongly he wants away, Lovern not pretending anything else by submitting a transfer request and Osvaldo refusing to return to training.

Three Saints players picked by England, one is a Liverpool player before he got there, the other two never to kick a ball for Saints again.

We are know to have cash, players are dubious because we are selling top quality, and we don't like to pay big wages. That is making it hard to bring in decent quality.

This is proving to be a very tough summer.
It might be that the club weren't trying to asset strip but their refusal to back the plan led to the loss of the management team. The quick sale of Rickie, took 3 days I think, was seen as a generous thing but meant we had sold our talisman and a player who the rest of the team respected and looked to for guidance. I think things then got a momentum of their own. As result of this Adam and Luke were gone with Morgan hinting strongly he wants away, Lovern not pretending anything else by submitting a transfer request and Osvaldo refusing to return to training. Three Saints players picked by England, one is a Liverpool player before he got there, the other two never to kick a ball for Saints again. We are know to have cash, players are dubious because we are selling top quality, and we don't like to pay big wages. That is making it hard to bring in decent quality. This is proving to be a very tough summer. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 17

10:05pm Sat 19 Jul 14

jasons odd says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
peregrine73 wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
NC Fan4Life,

You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches.

Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt.

Up the Saints!!!
Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon!
peregrine73,

Your opinion is flawed for two very obvious reasons. I believe I read that money from player sales has not gone to Katharina, but has been made available for player purchases. There is also the little matter of Saints having recently brought Ronald Koeman to the club. He is the highest profile manager in the history of Saints.

You are right that it is time to realise something. It is time to realise that the signing of Ronald Koeman as manager should be more than sufficient proof to the doom mongers that Southampton FC is an ambitious club that is being run within its means.

Do you believe that Katharina is stupid? I don't. Only a fool would dismantle the club, thus definitely decreasing its value. As always, Southampton FC's business is conducted in private, with the sole aim of benefitting the club. Remarkable progress has been made by Saints for five seasons. Much is being done at St. Marys to continue that progress. Players are always bought or sold at this time of year. Transfers out do not mean that the club is being dismantled, but as you think that is the case, I would be interested in your opinion on why Saints now have such a high profile manager and have already started buying in players, with Ron's approval. Any more player arrivals or departures that happen will obviously be with Ron's full knowledge and with the aim of improving the squad.

I am optimistic about next season. I leave all the worrying to the doom monger neggie veggies!!!
How is appointing koeman proof we are ambitious ????

Koeman was a high profile player , but has a very poor record as a manager . This is his 8th job in 14 years , he has never lasted very long anywhere ...is NOT highly regarded as a manager ....and NO top clubs were chasing him

Its not proof at all . Some might suggest the opposite
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ?[/p][/quote]NC Fan4Life, You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches. Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon![/p][/quote]peregrine73, Your opinion is flawed for two very obvious reasons. I believe I read that money from player sales has not gone to Katharina, but has been made available for player purchases. There is also the little matter of Saints having recently brought Ronald Koeman to the club. He is the highest profile manager in the history of Saints. You are right that it is time to realise something. It is time to realise that the signing of Ronald Koeman as manager should be more than sufficient proof to the doom mongers that Southampton FC is an ambitious club that is being run within its means. Do you believe that Katharina is stupid? I don't. Only a fool would dismantle the club, thus definitely decreasing its value. As always, Southampton FC's business is conducted in private, with the sole aim of benefitting the club. Remarkable progress has been made by Saints for five seasons. Much is being done at St. Marys to continue that progress. Players are always bought or sold at this time of year. Transfers out do not mean that the club is being dismantled, but as you think that is the case, I would be interested in your opinion on why Saints now have such a high profile manager and have already started buying in players, with Ron's approval. Any more player arrivals or departures that happen will obviously be with Ron's full knowledge and with the aim of improving the squad. I am optimistic about next season. I leave all the worrying to the doom monger neggie veggies!!![/p][/quote]How is appointing koeman proof we are ambitious ???? Koeman was a high profile player , but has a very poor record as a manager . This is his 8th job in 14 years , he has never lasted very long anywhere ...is NOT highly regarded as a manager ....and NO top clubs were chasing him Its not proof at all . Some might suggest the opposite jasons odd
  • Score: 6

10:13pm Sat 19 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

I give up, Good Night
I give up, Good Night OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

10:54pm Sat 19 Jul 14

boilerman says...

Les Reed made a statement about how many staff he has continually monitoring players to buy etc.
Well the fact we bought this guy in the first place show's a lack of due diligence.
Reed should be on his way and let the new manager manage the football side.
How many people do we employ to watch players and how many have we ended up signing?
I think the club are wasting to many resources for little return.
Most of the people who post on here or who just read the post's could identify players that may be of interest to us, how many real gems have we bought in the last two seasons ?
As for Osvaldo well as good as he could be he should never play for us again.
Les Reed made a statement about how many staff he has continually monitoring players to buy etc. Well the fact we bought this guy in the first place show's a lack of due diligence. Reed should be on his way and let the new manager manage the football side. How many people do we employ to watch players and how many have we ended up signing? I think the club are wasting to many resources for little return. Most of the people who post on here or who just read the post's could identify players that may be of interest to us, how many real gems have we bought in the last two seasons ? As for Osvaldo well as good as he could be he should never play for us again. boilerman
  • Score: 0

11:13pm Sat 19 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

jasons odd wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
peregrine73 wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
NC Fan4Life,

You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches.

Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt.

Up the Saints!!!
Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon!
peregrine73,

Your opinion is flawed for two very obvious reasons. I believe I read that money from player sales has not gone to Katharina, but has been made available for player purchases. There is also the little matter of Saints having recently brought Ronald Koeman to the club. He is the highest profile manager in the history of Saints.

You are right that it is time to realise something. It is time to realise that the signing of Ronald Koeman as manager should be more than sufficient proof to the doom mongers that Southampton FC is an ambitious club that is being run within its means.

Do you believe that Katharina is stupid? I don't. Only a fool would dismantle the club, thus definitely decreasing its value. As always, Southampton FC's business is conducted in private, with the sole aim of benefitting the club. Remarkable progress has been made by Saints for five seasons. Much is being done at St. Marys to continue that progress. Players are always bought or sold at this time of year. Transfers out do not mean that the club is being dismantled, but as you think that is the case, I would be interested in your opinion on why Saints now have such a high profile manager and have already started buying in players, with Ron's approval. Any more player arrivals or departures that happen will obviously be with Ron's full knowledge and with the aim of improving the squad.

I am optimistic about next season. I leave all the worrying to the doom monger neggie veggies!!!
How is appointing koeman proof we are ambitious ????

Koeman was a high profile player , but has a very poor record as a manager . This is his 8th job in 14 years , he has never lasted very long anywhere ...is NOT highly regarded as a manager ....and NO top clubs were chasing him

Its not proof at all . Some might suggest the opposite
peregrine73,

For your information, Ronald Koeman has three times been a title winning manager with Dutch football clubs and also managed cup winning teams in the Netherlands and Spain. Three titles annd two cups as a club manager since the year 2000 is actually a very good record. Your assessment that Ron's record as a manager is very poor is therefore fatally flawed. There are none so blind as those who will not see. I suggest you read about Ron's managerial honours on Wikipedia.

Even the most successful club managers tend to manage several clubs in their careers and Ronald Koeman is no exception. These days it is a fact of football manager life.

Ron has actually managed top European clubs. He has said that he is at Southampton FC to help the development of the club. Ron is a very well respected club manager and his CV proves that he has earned that respect.

The facts in Ron's career as a club manager completely defeat your baseless, entirely negative opinion.

By the way, as a player, Ron was apparently the highest scoring defender in world football. Perhaps he will improve the goal scoring of our defenders.

I am just a Saints fan. I query what you are!!!
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ?[/p][/quote]NC Fan4Life, You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches. Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon![/p][/quote]peregrine73, Your opinion is flawed for two very obvious reasons. I believe I read that money from player sales has not gone to Katharina, but has been made available for player purchases. There is also the little matter of Saints having recently brought Ronald Koeman to the club. He is the highest profile manager in the history of Saints. You are right that it is time to realise something. It is time to realise that the signing of Ronald Koeman as manager should be more than sufficient proof to the doom mongers that Southampton FC is an ambitious club that is being run within its means. Do you believe that Katharina is stupid? I don't. Only a fool would dismantle the club, thus definitely decreasing its value. As always, Southampton FC's business is conducted in private, with the sole aim of benefitting the club. Remarkable progress has been made by Saints for five seasons. Much is being done at St. Marys to continue that progress. Players are always bought or sold at this time of year. Transfers out do not mean that the club is being dismantled, but as you think that is the case, I would be interested in your opinion on why Saints now have such a high profile manager and have already started buying in players, with Ron's approval. Any more player arrivals or departures that happen will obviously be with Ron's full knowledge and with the aim of improving the squad. I am optimistic about next season. I leave all the worrying to the doom monger neggie veggies!!![/p][/quote]How is appointing koeman proof we are ambitious ???? Koeman was a high profile player , but has a very poor record as a manager . This is his 8th job in 14 years , he has never lasted very long anywhere ...is NOT highly regarded as a manager ....and NO top clubs were chasing him Its not proof at all . Some might suggest the opposite[/p][/quote]peregrine73, For your information, Ronald Koeman has three times been a title winning manager with Dutch football clubs and also managed cup winning teams in the Netherlands and Spain. Three titles annd two cups as a club manager since the year 2000 is actually a very good record. Your assessment that Ron's record as a manager is very poor is therefore fatally flawed. There are none so blind as those who will not see. I suggest you read about Ron's managerial honours on Wikipedia. Even the most successful club managers tend to manage several clubs in their careers and Ronald Koeman is no exception. These days it is a fact of football manager life. Ron has actually managed top European clubs. He has said that he is at Southampton FC to help the development of the club. Ron is a very well respected club manager and his CV proves that he has earned that respect. The facts in Ron's career as a club manager completely defeat your baseless, entirely negative opinion. By the way, as a player, Ron was apparently the highest scoring defender in world football. Perhaps he will improve the goal scoring of our defenders. I am just a Saints fan. I query what you are!!! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 3

11:15pm Sat 19 Jul 14

nomorerumours says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
Received my season ticket and got quite excited to find a booklet in the pack, but then disappointed to find it was totally full of fans story's. OK, but nothing in it about anything else. We are starting a new season with a new board and new management team, so there should have been plenty of information about them all to relay to us.

It is the same with the first team at the moment, it is a nice pack (as good new management team) that is concealing nothing else (cos all players are leaving).

I accept that ignoring the revolving door of players that is about to speed up with at least 3 or 4 more departing shortly, was probably a correct decision not to highlight this.

We must have half a dozen young players breaking through next season to allow so many to leave. I can't think of a single first team player who has not been rumored to be wanting to leave this summer. That must be a first for any club, especially after having a really GOOD previous season !!
There must have been more going on behind the scene than we were informed of to totally dismantle a team that took 5 years to build and was ready to kick onto to another level.

Well whatever the reason, the Koeman Brothers can now build their own team, so lets forget this season as it is obviously going to be a rebuilding season that hopefully keeps us clear of the relegation zone, to hopefully come back stronger the following season or two.

The main problem is that we are selling very good players some quite young who have proved themselves in the Prem, however our record of buying good quality ones is only about 1 in 3.

Hopefully Saints don't waste the money on mediocre players who end up as cover, as that will take us even longer to come back. RonKo is only on a 3 year contract !!

Advice to those buying the new shirt, put your own name on the back as we don't know who will be "In that Number, when the Saints come matching in" by 2nd September !!

Supporting Saints is never a dull moment, so after 50 years with a season ticket, I don't know why I still get so emotional.

COYR&WS
I have also been a Saints fan for over 50 years - since November 1963. When I was 10, my father took me and my two brothers to Wembley to watch the home international between England and Northern Ireland. England won 8-3 and that was the first ever match that I went to. In that game there were 2 hat ricks. Jimmy Greaves got 4 and Terry Paine got 3. As my older brother supported Spurs, I decided to support Southampton. If you think strange transfer decisions are a feature of the modern game, read on! I saw my first game at The Dell in September 1965. We lived in London and my younger brother had just started supporting Wolves and as it was his birthday we had persuaded our father to take us to Saints v Wolves. It ended up 9-3 - Saint's best ever league result. Martin Chivers got 4 and Terry Paine got 2. Jimmy Melia did not score but got at least 6 assists! It took us to the top of the Division 2 table. Wolves goal keeper was Dave Maclaren and you'd think that letting in 9 against us would not inspire much transfer interest. We bought him the following summer (for around £10k, I think - a lot of money in those days. Nobody criticised our long-term manager, Ted Bates! We faded a little mid season. The next time I saw Saints was when my father took us to see the return match at Molineux the following March. Having got used to 8-3 and 9-3 scorelines, I was somewhat disappointed to see a 1-1 draw! It was enough to take Saints back into 2nd spot and next month we secured the runners-up spot to gain our 1st ever promotion to the top flight. I saw a few Division 1 games mostly when Saints played at Spurs or Arsenal. Although Terry Paine was always one of my favourites, when we signed Ron Davies he was always a joy to watch. 39 league goals (I think) in one season + cup goals - makes Suarez look ordinary! We went to another home international match - England v Wales. Wales were quickly 2-0 up, both goals were Ron Davies headers from corners - I still think he was the best header of the ball that I've ever seen. England won 3-2 and I went home happy - we won but my hero had scored twice! Moved up to Scotland and rarely got to see Saints much after that but I remain a passionate supporter. The transfer market has gone crazy in recent years - I was distraught when we sold Martin Chivers to Spurs for a world record fee of £125,000 in the late1960s. I have grown used to it over the years but it always hearts to see a good player leave. I am really impressed with RK and I am excited about our club's future. The youth academy is amazing and just gets better and better. I never like to judge anyone until they've had a chance to prove themselves. That goes for our new signings, youngsters breaking through (really impressed with Omar Rowe - one for the future), RK and his coaching team and all the board. I've only just started using this site (2 weeks ago) and like OspeySaint, I do not like all the negativity and impatience. Our club needs passionate supporters with a lot of emotion but also respect and understanding.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Received my season ticket and got quite excited to find a booklet in the pack, but then disappointed to find it was totally full of fans story's. OK, but nothing in it about anything else. We are starting a new season with a new board and new management team, so there should have been plenty of information about them all to relay to us. It is the same with the first team at the moment, it is a nice pack (as good new management team) that is concealing nothing else (cos all players are leaving). I accept that ignoring the revolving door of players that is about to speed up with at least 3 or 4 more departing shortly, was probably a correct decision not to highlight this. We must have half a dozen young players breaking through next season to allow so many to leave. I can't think of a single first team player who has not been rumored to be wanting to leave this summer. That must be a first for any club, especially after having a really GOOD previous season !! There must have been more going on behind the scene than we were informed of to totally dismantle a team that took 5 years to build and was ready to kick onto to another level. Well whatever the reason, the Koeman Brothers can now build their own team, so lets forget this season as it is obviously going to be a rebuilding season that hopefully keeps us clear of the relegation zone, to hopefully come back stronger the following season or two. The main problem is that we are selling very good players some quite young who have proved themselves in the Prem, however our record of buying good quality ones is only about 1 in 3. Hopefully Saints don't waste the money on mediocre players who end up as cover, as that will take us even longer to come back. RonKo is only on a 3 year contract !! Advice to those buying the new shirt, put your own name on the back as we don't know who will be "In that Number, when the Saints come matching in" by 2nd September !! Supporting Saints is never a dull moment, so after 50 years with a season ticket, I don't know why I still get so emotional. COYR&WS[/p][/quote]I have also been a Saints fan for over 50 years - since November 1963. When I was 10, my father took me and my two brothers to Wembley to watch the home international between England and Northern Ireland. England won 8-3 and that was the first ever match that I went to. In that game there were 2 hat ricks. Jimmy Greaves got 4 and Terry Paine got 3. As my older brother supported Spurs, I decided to support Southampton. If you think strange transfer decisions are a feature of the modern game, read on! I saw my first game at The Dell in September 1965. We lived in London and my younger brother had just started supporting Wolves and as it was his birthday we had persuaded our father to take us to Saints v Wolves. It ended up 9-3 - Saint's best ever league result. Martin Chivers got 4 and Terry Paine got 2. Jimmy Melia did not score but got at least 6 assists! It took us to the top of the Division 2 table. Wolves goal keeper was Dave Maclaren and you'd think that letting in 9 against us would not inspire much transfer interest. We bought him the following summer (for around £10k, I think - a lot of money in those days. Nobody criticised our long-term manager, Ted Bates! We faded a little mid season. The next time I saw Saints was when my father took us to see the return match at Molineux the following March. Having got used to 8-3 and 9-3 scorelines, I was somewhat disappointed to see a 1-1 draw! It was enough to take Saints back into 2nd spot and next month we secured the runners-up spot to gain our 1st ever promotion to the top flight. I saw a few Division 1 games mostly when Saints played at Spurs or Arsenal. Although Terry Paine was always one of my favourites, when we signed Ron Davies he was always a joy to watch. 39 league goals (I think) in one season + cup goals - makes Suarez look ordinary! We went to another home international match - England v Wales. Wales were quickly 2-0 up, both goals were Ron Davies headers from corners - I still think he was the best header of the ball that I've ever seen. England won 3-2 and I went home happy - we won but my hero had scored twice! Moved up to Scotland and rarely got to see Saints much after that but I remain a passionate supporter. The transfer market has gone crazy in recent years - I was distraught when we sold Martin Chivers to Spurs for a world record fee of £125,000 in the late1960s. I have grown used to it over the years but it always hearts to see a good player leave. I am really impressed with RK and I am excited about our club's future. The youth academy is amazing and just gets better and better. I never like to judge anyone until they've had a chance to prove themselves. That goes for our new signings, youngsters breaking through (really impressed with Omar Rowe - one for the future), RK and his coaching team and all the board. I've only just started using this site (2 weeks ago) and like OspeySaint, I do not like all the negativity and impatience. Our club needs passionate supporters with a lot of emotion but also respect and understanding. nomorerumours
  • Score: 15

11:23pm Sat 19 Jul 14

nomorerumours says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I give up, Good Night
Yes it is disappointing to read all this negativity. I just posted a long narrative about my 50 years as a Saints fan - hope it restores your faith!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I give up, Good Night[/p][/quote]Yes it is disappointing to read all this negativity. I just posted a long narrative about my 50 years as a Saints fan - hope it restores your faith! nomorerumours
  • Score: 2

12:14am Sun 20 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

It's because OspreySaint is pretty much the site admin, he reply's to every post and is only happy if it is positive. Let everyone have an opinion, because they feel different to you doesn't mean they have to go and Support another team like your little daily echo wolf pack seems to always suggest. Let them have an opinion about the club they support too you bunch of internet saddo's.
It's because OspreySaint is pretty much the site admin, he reply's to every post and is only happy if it is positive. Let everyone have an opinion, because they feel different to you doesn't mean they have to go and Support another team like your little daily echo wolf pack seems to always suggest. Let them have an opinion about the club they support too you bunch of internet saddo's. Gormzzz
  • Score: 1

12:17am Sun 20 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

You guys are so predictable that slugger will quote this and write 'skate'.
You guys are so predictable that slugger will quote this and write 'skate'. Gormzzz
  • Score: -2

12:20am Sun 20 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

Are you Les Reed in disguise? Are you Les Reed in disguise.
Are you Les Reed in disguise? Are you Les Reed in disguise. Gormzzz
  • Score: -2

12:37am Sun 20 Jul 14

arfer phesache says...

Gormzzz wrote:
Are you Les Reed in disguise? Are you Les Reed in disguise.
Have you always been a stupid, childish, sanctimonious toss-pot. Or did you go to a "special" school to learn how to be one.
[quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: Are you Les Reed in disguise? Are you Les Reed in disguise.[/p][/quote]Have you always been a stupid, childish, sanctimonious toss-pot. Or did you go to a "special" school to learn how to be one. arfer phesache
  • Score: 2

12:40am Sun 20 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

arfer phesache wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
Are you Les Reed in disguise? Are you Les Reed in disguise.
Have you always been a stupid, childish, sanctimonious toss-pot. Or did you go to a "special" school to learn how to be one.
You must be a part of the Daily Echo Gestapo too!!!!! No I was quite mature and intelligent before this, I came on this site to talk about the Saints but the Daily Echo gods decided they didn't like me having a negative opinion in Pelle because he's so amazing! Osprey might give you a friendly spank for being a good boy and sticking up for him, hopefully he'll see it. Genuine fan, fed up of you lot having a go at anybody that has a different opinion to you, we're all entitled to one.
[quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: Are you Les Reed in disguise? Are you Les Reed in disguise.[/p][/quote]Have you always been a stupid, childish, sanctimonious toss-pot. Or did you go to a "special" school to learn how to be one.[/p][/quote]You must be a part of the Daily Echo Gestapo too!!!!! No I was quite mature and intelligent before this, I came on this site to talk about the Saints but the Daily Echo gods decided they didn't like me having a negative opinion in Pelle because he's so amazing! Osprey might give you a friendly spank for being a good boy and sticking up for him, hopefully he'll see it. Genuine fan, fed up of you lot having a go at anybody that has a different opinion to you, we're all entitled to one. Gormzzz
  • Score: 0

12:45am Sun 20 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil
igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that.
Que heiligen.....
Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that. Que heiligen..... Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 0

12:49am Sun 20 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil

igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that.
Que heiligen.....
Loool yeah I've seen they think I'm you but I literally can't be bothered to even reply and give them what they want, they literally patrol this site 24/7.. There not the real Saints fans, if they had there way we'd have a team of championship players and anybody that disagreed would be forced to support liverpool. Vaedy must just be a rumour though, surely we'd never go for somebody that bad, I understand we can't attract great players now but I'd like too see some potential.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that. Que heiligen.....[/p][/quote]Loool yeah I've seen they think I'm you but I literally can't be bothered to even reply and give them what they want, they literally patrol this site 24/7.. There not the real Saints fans, if they had there way we'd have a team of championship players and anybody that disagreed would be forced to support liverpool. Vaedy must just be a rumour though, surely we'd never go for somebody that bad, I understand we can't attract great players now but I'd like too see some potential. Gormzzz
  • Score: -1

12:53am Sun 20 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

They think I live in Australia because I sign on late all of the time. I live in London, it's just that I actually have a life, so i don't sit at hot on the internet all day wanking myself silly to DE.
They think I live in Australia because I sign on late all of the time. I live in London, it's just that I actually have a life, so i don't sit at hot on the internet all day wanking myself silly to DE. Gormzzz
  • Score: -1

12:54am Sun 20 Jul 14

arfer phesache says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil

igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that.
Que heiligen.....
Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that. Que heiligen.....[/p][/quote]Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice. arfer phesache
  • Score: 0

1:04am Sun 20 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

arfer phesache wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil


igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that.
Que heiligen.....
Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice.
He'll do nothing. he's just saying what he thinks, exactly the same as you guys, he just doesn't happen to agree, it's quite simple really. Everybody is allowed to comment you know, wether it be in a negative or positive response to the article, some of you should just learn to discuss things with your fellow fans rather than just straight start saying things like the above. Serious psychological problems man, you obviously think your 'billy big ****' on the net my friend. And you guys are like in your 50's, I'm only 24 and I'm much more civilised.
[quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that. Que heiligen.....[/p][/quote]Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice.[/p][/quote]He'll do nothing. he's just saying what he thinks, exactly the same as you guys, he just doesn't happen to agree, it's quite simple really. Everybody is allowed to comment you know, wether it be in a negative or positive response to the article, some of you should just learn to discuss things with your fellow fans rather than just straight start saying things like the above. Serious psychological problems man, you obviously think your 'billy big ****' on the net my friend. And you guys are like in your 50's, I'm only 24 and I'm much more civilised. Gormzzz
  • Score: 0

1:14am Sun 20 Jul 14

arfer phesache says...

Gormzzz wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil



igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that.
Que heiligen.....
Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice.
He'll do nothing. he's just saying what he thinks, exactly the same as you guys, he just doesn't happen to agree, it's quite simple really. Everybody is allowed to comment you know, wether it be in a negative or positive response to the article, some of you should just learn to discuss things with your fellow fans rather than just straight start saying things like the above. Serious psychological problems man, you obviously think your 'billy big ****' on the net my friend. And you guys are like in your 50's, I'm only 24 and I'm much more civilised.
I think old Sammy 2 heads is big enough to speak for himself don't you.
Or are you his guardian or something, stop being an apologist for some one who likes to make statements just to provoke some sort of response.
[quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that. Que heiligen.....[/p][/quote]Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice.[/p][/quote]He'll do nothing. he's just saying what he thinks, exactly the same as you guys, he just doesn't happen to agree, it's quite simple really. Everybody is allowed to comment you know, wether it be in a negative or positive response to the article, some of you should just learn to discuss things with your fellow fans rather than just straight start saying things like the above. Serious psychological problems man, you obviously think your 'billy big ****' on the net my friend. And you guys are like in your 50's, I'm only 24 and I'm much more civilised.[/p][/quote]I think old Sammy 2 heads is big enough to speak for himself don't you. Or are you his guardian or something, stop being an apologist for some one who likes to make statements just to provoke some sort of response. arfer phesache
  • Score: -1

1:21am Sun 20 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

arfer phesache wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil




igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that.
Que heiligen.....
Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice.
He'll do nothing. he's just saying what he thinks, exactly the same as you guys, he just doesn't happen to agree, it's quite simple really. Everybody is allowed to comment you know, wether it be in a negative or positive response to the article, some of you should just learn to discuss things with your fellow fans rather than just straight start saying things like the above. Serious psychological problems man, you obviously think your 'billy big ****' on the net my friend. And you guys are like in your 50's, I'm only 24 and I'm much more civilised.
I think old Sammy 2 heads is big enough to speak for himself don't you.
Or are you his guardian or something, stop being an apologist for some one who likes to make statements just to provoke some sort of response.
Your the one fishing for a response. You actually want to argue over the internet too. You people are unbelievable, where do we keep finding people like you. I think his negative opinion perfectly valid, he is a Saints fan too after all. Just like if you mentioned something actually related to club matters, I'd see that as a valid opinion too sonny jim.
[quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that. Que heiligen.....[/p][/quote]Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice.[/p][/quote]He'll do nothing. he's just saying what he thinks, exactly the same as you guys, he just doesn't happen to agree, it's quite simple really. Everybody is allowed to comment you know, wether it be in a negative or positive response to the article, some of you should just learn to discuss things with your fellow fans rather than just straight start saying things like the above. Serious psychological problems man, you obviously think your 'billy big ****' on the net my friend. And you guys are like in your 50's, I'm only 24 and I'm much more civilised.[/p][/quote]I think old Sammy 2 heads is big enough to speak for himself don't you. Or are you his guardian or something, stop being an apologist for some one who likes to make statements just to provoke some sort of response.[/p][/quote]Your the one fishing for a response. You actually want to argue over the internet too. You people are unbelievable, where do we keep finding people like you. I think his negative opinion perfectly valid, he is a Saints fan too after all. Just like if you mentioned something actually related to club matters, I'd see that as a valid opinion too sonny jim. Gormzzz
  • Score: 0

1:22am Sun 20 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

Be quite anyway just like you we're when I ended you a couple of comments before, go and chill with Les Reed and the rest of the DE Gestapo.
Be quite anyway just like you we're when I ended you a couple of comments before, go and chill with Les Reed and the rest of the DE Gestapo. Gormzzz
  • Score: 0

1:30am Sun 20 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

Leave the real fans to voice their opinions on the players being signed / rumoured targets and the direction the club is going in. I want to hear opinions, positive and negative, it's the whole point in having this forum for Saints fans.
Leave the real fans to voice their opinions on the players being signed / rumoured targets and the direction the club is going in. I want to hear opinions, positive and negative, it's the whole point in having this forum for Saints fans. Gormzzz
  • Score: 0

1:31am Sun 20 Jul 14

arfer phesache says...

Gormzzz wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil





igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that.
Que heiligen.....
Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice.
He'll do nothing. he's just saying what he thinks, exactly the same as you guys, he just doesn't happen to agree, it's quite simple really. Everybody is allowed to comment you know, wether it be in a negative or positive response to the article, some of you should just learn to discuss things with your fellow fans rather than just straight start saying things like the above. Serious psychological problems man, you obviously think your 'billy big ****' on the net my friend. And you guys are like in your 50's, I'm only 24 and I'm much more civilised.
I think old Sammy 2 heads is big enough to speak for himself don't you.
Or are you his guardian or something, stop being an apologist for some one who likes to make statements just to provoke some sort of response.
Your the one fishing for a response. You actually want to argue over the internet too. You people are unbelievable, where do we keep finding people like you. I think his negative opinion perfectly valid, he is a Saints fan too after all. Just like if you mentioned something actually related to club matters, I'd see that as a valid opinion too sonny jim.
"Sonny Jim" hahahahah...........
.. How do you know he's a Saints fan then. do you know him personally.
[quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that. Que heiligen.....[/p][/quote]Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice.[/p][/quote]He'll do nothing. he's just saying what he thinks, exactly the same as you guys, he just doesn't happen to agree, it's quite simple really. Everybody is allowed to comment you know, wether it be in a negative or positive response to the article, some of you should just learn to discuss things with your fellow fans rather than just straight start saying things like the above. Serious psychological problems man, you obviously think your 'billy big ****' on the net my friend. And you guys are like in your 50's, I'm only 24 and I'm much more civilised.[/p][/quote]I think old Sammy 2 heads is big enough to speak for himself don't you. Or are you his guardian or something, stop being an apologist for some one who likes to make statements just to provoke some sort of response.[/p][/quote]Your the one fishing for a response. You actually want to argue over the internet too. You people are unbelievable, where do we keep finding people like you. I think his negative opinion perfectly valid, he is a Saints fan too after all. Just like if you mentioned something actually related to club matters, I'd see that as a valid opinion too sonny jim.[/p][/quote]"Sonny Jim" hahahahah........... .. How do you know he's a Saints fan then. do you know him personally. arfer phesache
  • Score: 1

1:35am Sun 20 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

arfer phesache wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil






igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that.
Que heiligen.....
Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice.
He'll do nothing. he's just saying what he thinks, exactly the same as you guys, he just doesn't happen to agree, it's quite simple really. Everybody is allowed to comment you know, wether it be in a negative or positive response to the article, some of you should just learn to discuss things with your fellow fans rather than just straight start saying things like the above. Serious psychological problems man, you obviously think your 'billy big ****' on the net my friend. And you guys are like in your 50's, I'm only 24 and I'm much more civilised.
I think old Sammy 2 heads is big enough to speak for himself don't you.
Or are you his guardian or something, stop being an apologist for some one who likes to make statements just to provoke some sort of response.
Your the one fishing for a response. You actually want to argue over the internet too. You people are unbelievable, where do we keep finding people like you. I think his negative opinion perfectly valid, he is a Saints fan too after all. Just like if you mentioned something actually related to club matters, I'd see that as a valid opinion too sonny jim.
"Sonny Jim" hahahahah...........

.. How do you know he's a Saints fan then. do you know him personally.
No but he actually seems to care about who is coming in to the club, if he we're a fan of a different club he wouldn't really care or he'd like us being rumoured to target lower standard players. I used sonny jim to mug you off, just like you guys try to do to everybody else. Night mate enjoy internet arguments. Only care about club matters, not where he lives or is he's legit, at least he actually talks to me about the team which is all I want to talk about.
[quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that. Que heiligen.....[/p][/quote]Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice.[/p][/quote]He'll do nothing. he's just saying what he thinks, exactly the same as you guys, he just doesn't happen to agree, it's quite simple really. Everybody is allowed to comment you know, wether it be in a negative or positive response to the article, some of you should just learn to discuss things with your fellow fans rather than just straight start saying things like the above. Serious psychological problems man, you obviously think your 'billy big ****' on the net my friend. And you guys are like in your 50's, I'm only 24 and I'm much more civilised.[/p][/quote]I think old Sammy 2 heads is big enough to speak for himself don't you. Or are you his guardian or something, stop being an apologist for some one who likes to make statements just to provoke some sort of response.[/p][/quote]Your the one fishing for a response. You actually want to argue over the internet too. You people are unbelievable, where do we keep finding people like you. I think his negative opinion perfectly valid, he is a Saints fan too after all. Just like if you mentioned something actually related to club matters, I'd see that as a valid opinion too sonny jim.[/p][/quote]"Sonny Jim" hahahahah........... .. How do you know he's a Saints fan then. do you know him personally.[/p][/quote]No but he actually seems to care about who is coming in to the club, if he we're a fan of a different club he wouldn't really care or he'd like us being rumoured to target lower standard players. I used sonny jim to mug you off, just like you guys try to do to everybody else. Night mate enjoy internet arguments. Only care about club matters, not where he lives or is he's legit, at least he actually talks to me about the team which is all I want to talk about. Gormzzz
  • Score: 0

1:42am Sun 20 Jul 14

arfer phesache says...

Gormzzz wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil







igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that.
Que heiligen.....
Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice.
He'll do nothing. he's just saying what he thinks, exactly the same as you guys, he just doesn't happen to agree, it's quite simple really. Everybody is allowed to comment you know, wether it be in a negative or positive response to the article, some of you should just learn to discuss things with your fellow fans rather than just straight start saying things like the above. Serious psychological problems man, you obviously think your 'billy big ****' on the net my friend. And you guys are like in your 50's, I'm only 24 and I'm much more civilised.
I think old Sammy 2 heads is big enough to speak for himself don't you.
Or are you his guardian or something, stop being an apologist for some one who likes to make statements just to provoke some sort of response.
Your the one fishing for a response. You actually want to argue over the internet too. You people are unbelievable, where do we keep finding people like you. I think his negative opinion perfectly valid, he is a Saints fan too after all. Just like if you mentioned something actually related to club matters, I'd see that as a valid opinion too sonny jim.
"Sonny Jim" hahahahah...........


.. How do you know he's a Saints fan then. do you know him personally.
No but he actually seems to care about who is coming in to the club, if he we're a fan of a different club he wouldn't really care or he'd like us being rumoured to target lower standard players. I used sonny jim to mug you off, just like you guys try to do to everybody else. Night mate enjoy internet arguments. Only care about club matters, not where he lives or is he's legit, at least he actually talks to me about the team which is all I want to talk about.
"Mug me off" You really are full of yourself are you not. Sanctimonious does really sum you up.
[quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that. Que heiligen.....[/p][/quote]Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice.[/p][/quote]He'll do nothing. he's just saying what he thinks, exactly the same as you guys, he just doesn't happen to agree, it's quite simple really. Everybody is allowed to comment you know, wether it be in a negative or positive response to the article, some of you should just learn to discuss things with your fellow fans rather than just straight start saying things like the above. Serious psychological problems man, you obviously think your 'billy big ****' on the net my friend. And you guys are like in your 50's, I'm only 24 and I'm much more civilised.[/p][/quote]I think old Sammy 2 heads is big enough to speak for himself don't you. Or are you his guardian or something, stop being an apologist for some one who likes to make statements just to provoke some sort of response.[/p][/quote]Your the one fishing for a response. You actually want to argue over the internet too. You people are unbelievable, where do we keep finding people like you. I think his negative opinion perfectly valid, he is a Saints fan too after all. Just like if you mentioned something actually related to club matters, I'd see that as a valid opinion too sonny jim.[/p][/quote]"Sonny Jim" hahahahah........... .. How do you know he's a Saints fan then. do you know him personally.[/p][/quote]No but he actually seems to care about who is coming in to the club, if he we're a fan of a different club he wouldn't really care or he'd like us being rumoured to target lower standard players. I used sonny jim to mug you off, just like you guys try to do to everybody else. Night mate enjoy internet arguments. Only care about club matters, not where he lives or is he's legit, at least he actually talks to me about the team which is all I want to talk about.[/p][/quote]"Mug me off" You really are full of yourself are you not. Sanctimonious does really sum you up. arfer phesache
  • Score: -2

1:47am Sun 20 Jul 14

Winsaint says...

I have supported Saints more longer than some and not as long as others and it always frustrates me when people have a bash at the club, Players and board. For me it is not who wears the the shirt it is the shirt itself and i for one was at St Mary's in the dark days of league 1 and also contributing to this forum. Maybe just Maybe some suporters feel they have a right to complain, moan and winge but at the end o the day come the 17th August i will be watching saints play Liverhampton going hoarse shouting and encouraging not matter who the eleven are in the shirt.
In he eighties peopl used to go to the Dell to watch Liverpool to see the likes of Dalglesh and Hansen or even the mighty Arsenal with Woodcock or Forest with Birtles and O'Neal But i was there to watch Moran, Wallace Dave Armstrong etc. What i am trying to say is I will support Sints no matter what aswill any true fan like the 17 thousand we were getting on a wet Tuesday night in league 1 as i feel as though we have 29 thousand wek in week out now how many are actually thereto cheer on the Saints or are they there to watch the opposition.
Give me the 17 thousand every time as they are the important ones who has an opinion that mattrs.

COYR onwards and upwards!!!!!!!
I have supported Saints more longer than some and not as long as others and it always frustrates me when people have a bash at the club, Players and board. For me it is not who wears the the shirt it is the shirt itself and i for one was at St Mary's in the dark days of league 1 and also contributing to this forum. Maybe just Maybe some suporters feel they have a right to complain, moan and winge but at the end o the day come the 17th August i will be watching saints play Liverhampton going hoarse shouting and encouraging not matter who the eleven are in the shirt. In he eighties peopl used to go to the Dell to watch Liverpool to see the likes of Dalglesh and Hansen or even the mighty Arsenal with Woodcock or Forest with Birtles and O'Neal But i was there to watch Moran, Wallace Dave Armstrong etc. What i am trying to say is I will support Sints no matter what aswill any true fan like the 17 thousand we were getting on a wet Tuesday night in league 1 as i feel as though we have 29 thousand wek in week out now how many are actually thereto cheer on the Saints or are they there to watch the opposition. Give me the 17 thousand every time as they are the important ones who has an opinion that mattrs. COYR onwards and upwards!!!!!!! Winsaint
  • Score: 8

1:55am Sun 20 Jul 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
It might be that the club weren't trying to asset strip but their refusal to back the plan led to the loss of the management team. The quick sale of Rickie, took 3 days I think, was seen as a generous thing but meant we had sold our talisman and a player who the rest of the team respected and looked to for guidance. I think things then got a momentum of their own. As result of this Adam and Luke were gone with Morgan hinting strongly he wants away, Lovern not pretending anything else by submitting a transfer request and Osvaldo refusing to return to training.

Three Saints players picked by England, one is a Liverpool player before he got there, the other two never to kick a ball for Saints again.

We are know to have cash, players are dubious because we are selling top quality, and we don't like to pay big wages. That is making it hard to bring in decent quality.

This is proving to be a very tough summer.
I agree, the start of the season will be a testing time. There will definitely be a feeling out process to go through before we see any consistency, good or bad, as the team hasn't had time to gel and get used to each other. However I do wish the team all the best and hope that RoKo's managerial decisions are astute and bring the team some success.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: It might be that the club weren't trying to asset strip but their refusal to back the plan led to the loss of the management team. The quick sale of Rickie, took 3 days I think, was seen as a generous thing but meant we had sold our talisman and a player who the rest of the team respected and looked to for guidance. I think things then got a momentum of their own. As result of this Adam and Luke were gone with Morgan hinting strongly he wants away, Lovern not pretending anything else by submitting a transfer request and Osvaldo refusing to return to training. Three Saints players picked by England, one is a Liverpool player before he got there, the other two never to kick a ball for Saints again. We are know to have cash, players are dubious because we are selling top quality, and we don't like to pay big wages. That is making it hard to bring in decent quality. This is proving to be a very tough summer.[/p][/quote]I agree, the start of the season will be a testing time. There will definitely be a feeling out process to go through before we see any consistency, good or bad, as the team hasn't had time to gel and get used to each other. However I do wish the team all the best and hope that RoKo's managerial decisions are astute and bring the team some success. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 5

3:20am Sun 20 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

arfer phesache wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil








igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that.
Que heiligen.....
Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice.
He'll do nothing. he's just saying what he thinks, exactly the same as you guys, he just doesn't happen to agree, it's quite simple really. Everybody is allowed to comment you know, wether it be in a negative or positive response to the article, some of you should just learn to discuss things with your fellow fans rather than just straight start saying things like the above. Serious psychological problems man, you obviously think your 'billy big ****' on the net my friend. And you guys are like in your 50's, I'm only 24 and I'm much more civilised.
I think old Sammy 2 heads is big enough to speak for himself don't you.
Or are you his guardian or something, stop being an apologist for some one who likes to make statements just to provoke some sort of response.
Your the one fishing for a response. You actually want to argue over the internet too. You people are unbelievable, where do we keep finding people like you. I think his negative opinion perfectly valid, he is a Saints fan too after all. Just like if you mentioned something actually related to club matters, I'd see that as a valid opinion too sonny jim.
"Sonny Jim" hahahahah...........



.. How do you know he's a Saints fan then. do you know him personally.
No but he actually seems to care about who is coming in to the club, if he we're a fan of a different club he wouldn't really care or he'd like us being rumoured to target lower standard players. I used sonny jim to mug you off, just like you guys try to do to everybody else. Night mate enjoy internet arguments. Only care about club matters, not where he lives or is he's legit, at least he actually talks to me about the team which is all I want to talk about.
"Mug me off" You really are full of yourself are you not. Sanctimonious does really sum you up.
Gormzzz we know who the real supporters are.as I have said before this lot were clapping and writing the same drivel under Rupert Lowe.we would still have him if all saints fans were like these people.i played football at various levels for over 20 years.i have represented saints and am season ticket holder.i live in Australia and my brother uses my ticket when I am in oz.i care about saints and I don't like what I am seeing at the moment.my big question is why were the 3 players sold so quickly after the transfer window opened? No other club had done any business and we had sold 3 from the first team.the had to rely on koeman to find us replacements.
Why were they not told to wait until we had replacements lined up? There is no strong leadership at the club and the players sense this,Dejan said himself he does not know who is running things.we now have a Canadian ice hockey coach and cortese's lap dog in charge.
Keep your posts coming and enjoy blightys summer
[quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that. Que heiligen.....[/p][/quote]Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice.[/p][/quote]He'll do nothing. he's just saying what he thinks, exactly the same as you guys, he just doesn't happen to agree, it's quite simple really. Everybody is allowed to comment you know, wether it be in a negative or positive response to the article, some of you should just learn to discuss things with your fellow fans rather than just straight start saying things like the above. Serious psychological problems man, you obviously think your 'billy big ****' on the net my friend. And you guys are like in your 50's, I'm only 24 and I'm much more civilised.[/p][/quote]I think old Sammy 2 heads is big enough to speak for himself don't you. Or are you his guardian or something, stop being an apologist for some one who likes to make statements just to provoke some sort of response.[/p][/quote]Your the one fishing for a response. You actually want to argue over the internet too. You people are unbelievable, where do we keep finding people like you. I think his negative opinion perfectly valid, he is a Saints fan too after all. Just like if you mentioned something actually related to club matters, I'd see that as a valid opinion too sonny jim.[/p][/quote]"Sonny Jim" hahahahah........... .. How do you know he's a Saints fan then. do you know him personally.[/p][/quote]No but he actually seems to care about who is coming in to the club, if he we're a fan of a different club he wouldn't really care or he'd like us being rumoured to target lower standard players. I used sonny jim to mug you off, just like you guys try to do to everybody else. Night mate enjoy internet arguments. Only care about club matters, not where he lives or is he's legit, at least he actually talks to me about the team which is all I want to talk about.[/p][/quote]"Mug me off" You really are full of yourself are you not. Sanctimonious does really sum you up.[/p][/quote]Gormzzz we know who the real supporters are.as I have said before this lot were clapping and writing the same drivel under Rupert Lowe.we would still have him if all saints fans were like these people.i played football at various levels for over 20 years.i have represented saints and am season ticket holder.i live in Australia and my brother uses my ticket when I am in oz.i care about saints and I don't like what I am seeing at the moment.my big question is why were the 3 players sold so quickly after the transfer window opened? No other club had done any business and we had sold 3 from the first team.the had to rely on koeman to find us replacements. Why were they not told to wait until we had replacements lined up? There is no strong leadership at the club and the players sense this,Dejan said himself he does not know who is running things.we now have a Canadian ice hockey coach and cortese's lap dog in charge. Keep your posts coming and enjoy blightys summer Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -2

4:58am Sun 20 Jul 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil









igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that.
Que heiligen.....
Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice.
He'll do nothing. he's just saying what he thinks, exactly the same as you guys, he just doesn't happen to agree, it's quite simple really. Everybody is allowed to comment you know, wether it be in a negative or positive response to the article, some of you should just learn to discuss things with your fellow fans rather than just straight start saying things like the above. Serious psychological problems man, you obviously think your 'billy big ****' on the net my friend. And you guys are like in your 50's, I'm only 24 and I'm much more civilised.
I think old Sammy 2 heads is big enough to speak for himself don't you.
Or are you his guardian or something, stop being an apologist for some one who likes to make statements just to provoke some sort of response.
Your the one fishing for a response. You actually want to argue over the internet too. You people are unbelievable, where do we keep finding people like you. I think his negative opinion perfectly valid, he is a Saints fan too after all. Just like if you mentioned something actually related to club matters, I'd see that as a valid opinion too sonny jim.
"Sonny Jim" hahahahah...........




.. How do you know he's a Saints fan then. do you know him personally.
No but he actually seems to care about who is coming in to the club, if he we're a fan of a different club he wouldn't really care or he'd like us being rumoured to target lower standard players. I used sonny jim to mug you off, just like you guys try to do to everybody else. Night mate enjoy internet arguments. Only care about club matters, not where he lives or is he's legit, at least he actually talks to me about the team which is all I want to talk about.
"Mug me off" You really are full of yourself are you not. Sanctimonious does really sum you up.
Gormzzz we know who the real supporters are.as I have said before this lot were clapping and writing the same drivel under Rupert Lowe.we would still have him if all saints fans were like these people.i played football at various levels for over 20 years.i have represented saints and am season ticket holder.i live in Australia and my brother uses my ticket when I am in oz.i care about saints and I don't like what I am seeing at the moment.my big question is why were the 3 players sold so quickly after the transfer window opened? No other club had done any business and we had sold 3 from the first team.the had to rely on koeman to find us replacements.
Why were they not told to wait until we had replacements lined up? There is no strong leadership at the club and the players sense this,Dejan said himself he does not know who is running things.we now have a Canadian ice hockey coach and cortese's lap dog in charge.
Keep your posts coming and enjoy blightys summer
Hi Sammy, while I agree we are not in as favorable position as I personally would like the team to be in at this point in time, my feeling is that the how's and the why's of recent managerial decisions are really irrelevant from here on in. What truly matters at the end of the day is if Saints can rebound from any setback that has been presented. I will wait until half way through the season before making any assumptions on how this will pan out. I am looking forward to some new signings though because we need them.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that. Que heiligen.....[/p][/quote]Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice.[/p][/quote]He'll do nothing. he's just saying what he thinks, exactly the same as you guys, he just doesn't happen to agree, it's quite simple really. Everybody is allowed to comment you know, wether it be in a negative or positive response to the article, some of you should just learn to discuss things with your fellow fans rather than just straight start saying things like the above. Serious psychological problems man, you obviously think your 'billy big ****' on the net my friend. And you guys are like in your 50's, I'm only 24 and I'm much more civilised.[/p][/quote]I think old Sammy 2 heads is big enough to speak for himself don't you. Or are you his guardian or something, stop being an apologist for some one who likes to make statements just to provoke some sort of response.[/p][/quote]Your the one fishing for a response. You actually want to argue over the internet too. You people are unbelievable, where do we keep finding people like you. I think his negative opinion perfectly valid, he is a Saints fan too after all. Just like if you mentioned something actually related to club matters, I'd see that as a valid opinion too sonny jim.[/p][/quote]"Sonny Jim" hahahahah........... .. How do you know he's a Saints fan then. do you know him personally.[/p][/quote]No but he actually seems to care about who is coming in to the club, if he we're a fan of a different club he wouldn't really care or he'd like us being rumoured to target lower standard players. I used sonny jim to mug you off, just like you guys try to do to everybody else. Night mate enjoy internet arguments. Only care about club matters, not where he lives or is he's legit, at least he actually talks to me about the team which is all I want to talk about.[/p][/quote]"Mug me off" You really are full of yourself are you not. Sanctimonious does really sum you up.[/p][/quote]Gormzzz we know who the real supporters are.as I have said before this lot were clapping and writing the same drivel under Rupert Lowe.we would still have him if all saints fans were like these people.i played football at various levels for over 20 years.i have represented saints and am season ticket holder.i live in Australia and my brother uses my ticket when I am in oz.i care about saints and I don't like what I am seeing at the moment.my big question is why were the 3 players sold so quickly after the transfer window opened? No other club had done any business and we had sold 3 from the first team.the had to rely on koeman to find us replacements. Why were they not told to wait until we had replacements lined up? There is no strong leadership at the club and the players sense this,Dejan said himself he does not know who is running things.we now have a Canadian ice hockey coach and cortese's lap dog in charge. Keep your posts coming and enjoy blightys summer[/p][/quote]Hi Sammy, while I agree we are not in as favorable position as I personally would like the team to be in at this point in time, my feeling is that the how's and the why's of recent managerial decisions are really irrelevant from here on in. What truly matters at the end of the day is if Saints can rebound from any setback that has been presented. I will wait until half way through the season before making any assumptions on how this will pan out. I am looking forward to some new signings though because we need them. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 4

7:14am Sun 20 Jul 14

milton road says...

Saints are looking to buy Serbian left back Tosic 29, who was in Turkish league all star team last season. Tosic previously played for QPR and Portsmouth in premier league. (according to Daily Mail)
If he is able to do the job not worried about his unfortunate previous connections, nor his age as he may be a stop gap giving our youngsters time to come through.
Saints are looking to buy Serbian left back Tosic 29, who was in Turkish league all star team last season. Tosic previously played for QPR and Portsmouth in premier league. (according to Daily Mail) If he is able to do the job not worried about his unfortunate previous connections, nor his age as he may be a stop gap giving our youngsters time to come through. milton road
  • Score: -2

7:15am Sun 20 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil










igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that.
Que heiligen.....
Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice.
He'll do nothing. he's just saying what he thinks, exactly the same as you guys, he just doesn't happen to agree, it's quite simple really. Everybody is allowed to comment you know, wether it be in a negative or positive response to the article, some of you should just learn to discuss things with your fellow fans rather than just straight start saying things like the above. Serious psychological problems man, you obviously think your 'billy big ****' on the net my friend. And you guys are like in your 50's, I'm only 24 and I'm much more civilised.
I think old Sammy 2 heads is big enough to speak for himself don't you.
Or are you his guardian or something, stop being an apologist for some one who likes to make statements just to provoke some sort of response.
Your the one fishing for a response. You actually want to argue over the internet too. You people are unbelievable, where do we keep finding people like you. I think his negative opinion perfectly valid, he is a Saints fan too after all. Just like if you mentioned something actually related to club matters, I'd see that as a valid opinion too sonny jim.
"Sonny Jim" hahahahah...........





.. How do you know he's a Saints fan then. do you know him personally.
No but he actually seems to care about who is coming in to the club, if he we're a fan of a different club he wouldn't really care or he'd like us being rumoured to target lower standard players. I used sonny jim to mug you off, just like you guys try to do to everybody else. Night mate enjoy internet arguments. Only care about club matters, not where he lives or is he's legit, at least he actually talks to me about the team which is all I want to talk about.
"Mug me off" You really are full of yourself are you not. Sanctimonious does really sum you up.
Gormzzz we know who the real supporters are.as I have said before this lot were clapping and writing the same drivel under Rupert Lowe.we would still have him if all saints fans were like these people.i played football at various levels for over 20 years.i have represented saints and am season ticket holder.i live in Australia and my brother uses my ticket when I am in oz.i care about saints and I don't like what I am seeing at the moment.my big question is why were the 3 players sold so quickly after the transfer window opened? No other club had done any business and we had sold 3 from the first team.the had to rely on koeman to find us replacements.
Why were they not told to wait until we had replacements lined up? There is no strong leadership at the club and the players sense this,Dejan said himself he does not know who is running things.we now have a Canadian ice hockey coach and cortese's lap dog in charge.
Keep your posts coming and enjoy blightys summer
Hi Sammy, while I agree we are not in as favorable position as I personally would like the team to be in at this point in time, my feeling is that the how's and the why's of recent managerial decisions are really irrelevant from here on in. What truly matters at the end of the day is if Saints can rebound from any setback that has been presented. I will wait until half way through the season before making any assumptions on how this will pan out. I am looking forward to some new signings though because we need them.
Fair play kiwi, you have more patience than me.i too wish for the best and hopefully we are top by Xmas.go the Anzacs !
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that. Que heiligen.....[/p][/quote]Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice.[/p][/quote]He'll do nothing. he's just saying what he thinks, exactly the same as you guys, he just doesn't happen to agree, it's quite simple really. Everybody is allowed to comment you know, wether it be in a negative or positive response to the article, some of you should just learn to discuss things with your fellow fans rather than just straight start saying things like the above. Serious psychological problems man, you obviously think your 'billy big ****' on the net my friend. And you guys are like in your 50's, I'm only 24 and I'm much more civilised.[/p][/quote]I think old Sammy 2 heads is big enough to speak for himself don't you. Or are you his guardian or something, stop being an apologist for some one who likes to make statements just to provoke some sort of response.[/p][/quote]Your the one fishing for a response. You actually want to argue over the internet too. You people are unbelievable, where do we keep finding people like you. I think his negative opinion perfectly valid, he is a Saints fan too after all. Just like if you mentioned something actually related to club matters, I'd see that as a valid opinion too sonny jim.[/p][/quote]"Sonny Jim" hahahahah........... .. How do you know he's a Saints fan then. do you know him personally.[/p][/quote]No but he actually seems to care about who is coming in to the club, if he we're a fan of a different club he wouldn't really care or he'd like us being rumoured to target lower standard players. I used sonny jim to mug you off, just like you guys try to do to everybody else. Night mate enjoy internet arguments. Only care about club matters, not where he lives or is he's legit, at least he actually talks to me about the team which is all I want to talk about.[/p][/quote]"Mug me off" You really are full of yourself are you not. Sanctimonious does really sum you up.[/p][/quote]Gormzzz we know who the real supporters are.as I have said before this lot were clapping and writing the same drivel under Rupert Lowe.we would still have him if all saints fans were like these people.i played football at various levels for over 20 years.i have represented saints and am season ticket holder.i live in Australia and my brother uses my ticket when I am in oz.i care about saints and I don't like what I am seeing at the moment.my big question is why were the 3 players sold so quickly after the transfer window opened? No other club had done any business and we had sold 3 from the first team.the had to rely on koeman to find us replacements. Why were they not told to wait until we had replacements lined up? There is no strong leadership at the club and the players sense this,Dejan said himself he does not know who is running things.we now have a Canadian ice hockey coach and cortese's lap dog in charge. Keep your posts coming and enjoy blightys summer[/p][/quote]Hi Sammy, while I agree we are not in as favorable position as I personally would like the team to be in at this point in time, my feeling is that the how's and the why's of recent managerial decisions are really irrelevant from here on in. What truly matters at the end of the day is if Saints can rebound from any setback that has been presented. I will wait until half way through the season before making any assumptions on how this will pan out. I am looking forward to some new signings though because we need them.[/p][/quote]Fair play kiwi, you have more patience than me.i too wish for the best and hopefully we are top by Xmas.go the Anzacs ! Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 4

8:08am Sun 20 Jul 14

NC Fan4Life says...

nomorerumours wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Received my season ticket and got quite excited to find a booklet in the pack, but then disappointed to find it was totally full of fans story's. OK, but nothing in it about anything else. We are starting a new season with a new board and new management team, so there should have been plenty of information about them all to relay to us.

It is the same with the first team at the moment, it is a nice pack (as good new management team) that is concealing nothing else (cos all players are leaving).

I accept that ignoring the revolving door of players that is about to speed up with at least 3 or 4 more departing shortly, was probably a correct decision not to highlight this.

We must have half a dozen young players breaking through next season to allow so many to leave. I can't think of a single first team player who has not been rumored to be wanting to leave this summer. That must be a first for any club, especially after having a really GOOD previous season !!
There must have been more going on behind the scene than we were informed of to totally dismantle a team that took 5 years to build and was ready to kick onto to another level.

Well whatever the reason, the Koeman Brothers can now build their own team, so lets forget this season as it is obviously going to be a rebuilding season that hopefully keeps us clear of the relegation zone, to hopefully come back stronger the following season or two.

The main problem is that we are selling very good players some quite young who have proved themselves in the Prem, however our record of buying good quality ones is only about 1 in 3.

Hopefully Saints don't waste the money on mediocre players who end up as cover, as that will take us even longer to come back. RonKo is only on a 3 year contract !!

Advice to those buying the new shirt, put your own name on the back as we don't know who will be "In that Number, when the Saints come matching in" by 2nd September !!

Supporting Saints is never a dull moment, so after 50 years with a season ticket, I don't know why I still get so emotional.

COYR&WS
I have also been a Saints fan for over 50 years - since November 1963. When I was 10, my father took me and my two brothers to Wembley to watch the home international between England and Northern Ireland. England won 8-3 and that was the first ever match that I went to. In that game there were 2 hat ricks. Jimmy Greaves got 4 and Terry Paine got 3. As my older brother supported Spurs, I decided to support Southampton. If you think strange transfer decisions are a feature of the modern game, read on! I saw my first game at The Dell in September 1965. We lived in London and my younger brother had just started supporting Wolves and as it was his birthday we had persuaded our father to take us to Saints v Wolves. It ended up 9-3 - Saint's best ever league result. Martin Chivers got 4 and Terry Paine got 2. Jimmy Melia did not score but got at least 6 assists! It took us to the top of the Division 2 table. Wolves goal keeper was Dave Maclaren and you'd think that letting in 9 against us would not inspire much transfer interest. We bought him the following summer (for around £10k, I think - a lot of money in those days. Nobody criticised our long-term manager, Ted Bates! We faded a little mid season. The next time I saw Saints was when my father took us to see the return match at Molineux the following March. Having got used to 8-3 and 9-3 scorelines, I was somewhat disappointed to see a 1-1 draw! It was enough to take Saints back into 2nd spot and next month we secured the runners-up spot to gain our 1st ever promotion to the top flight. I saw a few Division 1 games mostly when Saints played at Spurs or Arsenal. Although Terry Paine was always one of my favourites, when we signed Ron Davies he was always a joy to watch. 39 league goals (I think) in one season + cup goals - makes Suarez look ordinary! We went to another home international match - England v Wales. Wales were quickly 2-0 up, both goals were Ron Davies headers from corners - I still think he was the best header of the ball that I've ever seen. England won 3-2 and I went home happy - we won but my hero had scored twice! Moved up to Scotland and rarely got to see Saints much after that but I remain a passionate supporter. The transfer market has gone crazy in recent years - I was distraught when we sold Martin Chivers to Spurs for a world record fee of £125,000 in the late1960s. I have grown used to it over the years but it always hearts to see a good player leave. I am really impressed with RK and I am excited about our club's future. The youth academy is amazing and just gets better and better. I never like to judge anyone until they've had a chance to prove themselves. That goes for our new signings, youngsters breaking through (really impressed with Omar Rowe - one for the future), RK and his coaching team and all the board. I've only just started using this site (2 weeks ago) and like OspeySaint, I do not like all the negativity and impatience. Our club needs passionate supporters with a lot of emotion but also respect and understanding.
Good post 'nomorerumours'

I too was at that 9-3 game, we were 1-0 down at first !
I was also really upset when we sold Martin Chivers a local and England player for a Britisn Record fee, just as I was at loosing Shearer and Bale, now with Luke & Adam.

The difference then with selling Chivers was because the club needed the cash to strengthen the team, if you remember we bought Jimmy Gabriel & John MacGrath, plus we had an unknown young replacement in Mick Channon, so we became a better team.
As opposed to now, when we don't need the cash and had possibly the best 'young team' I have seen in a Saints shirt that has take 5 years to develop be sold off just as we all believed Saints could reach the only other time we competed at the top in the Keegan/Channon days.

It is this disappointment of the missed opportunity that we had for this season that makes me and many others get so upset, especially as there was no reason not to.

Loosing, not one but all three of our England WC players and with strong rumour's - not denied by the club - that we may still be selling at least 3 more of our best players, does feel like we are going backwards again.

However, for whatever the reason we have done that and hopefully reach the low point. Even if more of our star players leave we do have the opportunity to rebuild the team with the cash and more youngsters from the academy to get excited about.

We MUST NOT waste that cash on mediocre players as we have done recently, also we do need to get as many in asap as the current squad is looking very weak in most areas, especially up front.
I don't want us to miss the next opportunity of a good start to the season that we have been given with the first 12 games, because if we do not win most of these our season will be a very difficult one.

The board need to give RonKo the chance to rebuild the team without the pressure of a relegation battle.

It is this potentially 'missed opportunity' that many of us see happening, with so many new recruits needed and with time running out, yet no news on any top quality incoming players, only outgoing ones that is making many of us get impatient.

The club and new managers must know and have identified all the top players we need and we CAN afford them. Their lack of arrival is unsettling others, so no wonder we are becoming impatient.

I am looking forward to top quality arrivals but will be deeply disappointed if we waste the money by only bringing mediocre and older players in, hence missing yet another opportunity.

Being a Saints fans is like being on a roller coaster of ups & downs, many downs but also the occasional high, I thought I would be watching a 'high' this season but now hope that last season wasn't it.

I believe that the Koeman Brothers have come to take us on and up a level, so the Board need to get behind them, just as I will as always !

COYR&WS
[quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Received my season ticket and got quite excited to find a booklet in the pack, but then disappointed to find it was totally full of fans story's. OK, but nothing in it about anything else. We are starting a new season with a new board and new management team, so there should have been plenty of information about them all to relay to us. It is the same with the first team at the moment, it is a nice pack (as good new management team) that is concealing nothing else (cos all players are leaving). I accept that ignoring the revolving door of players that is about to speed up with at least 3 or 4 more departing shortly, was probably a correct decision not to highlight this. We must have half a dozen young players breaking through next season to allow so many to leave. I can't think of a single first team player who has not been rumored to be wanting to leave this summer. That must be a first for any club, especially after having a really GOOD previous season !! There must have been more going on behind the scene than we were informed of to totally dismantle a team that took 5 years to build and was ready to kick onto to another level. Well whatever the reason, the Koeman Brothers can now build their own team, so lets forget this season as it is obviously going to be a rebuilding season that hopefully keeps us clear of the relegation zone, to hopefully come back stronger the following season or two. The main problem is that we are selling very good players some quite young who have proved themselves in the Prem, however our record of buying good quality ones is only about 1 in 3. Hopefully Saints don't waste the money on mediocre players who end up as cover, as that will take us even longer to come back. RonKo is only on a 3 year contract !! Advice to those buying the new shirt, put your own name on the back as we don't know who will be "In that Number, when the Saints come matching in" by 2nd September !! Supporting Saints is never a dull moment, so after 50 years with a season ticket, I don't know why I still get so emotional. COYR&WS[/p][/quote]I have also been a Saints fan for over 50 years - since November 1963. When I was 10, my father took me and my two brothers to Wembley to watch the home international between England and Northern Ireland. England won 8-3 and that was the first ever match that I went to. In that game there were 2 hat ricks. Jimmy Greaves got 4 and Terry Paine got 3. As my older brother supported Spurs, I decided to support Southampton. If you think strange transfer decisions are a feature of the modern game, read on! I saw my first game at The Dell in September 1965. We lived in London and my younger brother had just started supporting Wolves and as it was his birthday we had persuaded our father to take us to Saints v Wolves. It ended up 9-3 - Saint's best ever league result. Martin Chivers got 4 and Terry Paine got 2. Jimmy Melia did not score but got at least 6 assists! It took us to the top of the Division 2 table. Wolves goal keeper was Dave Maclaren and you'd think that letting in 9 against us would not inspire much transfer interest. We bought him the following summer (for around £10k, I think - a lot of money in those days. Nobody criticised our long-term manager, Ted Bates! We faded a little mid season. The next time I saw Saints was when my father took us to see the return match at Molineux the following March. Having got used to 8-3 and 9-3 scorelines, I was somewhat disappointed to see a 1-1 draw! It was enough to take Saints back into 2nd spot and next month we secured the runners-up spot to gain our 1st ever promotion to the top flight. I saw a few Division 1 games mostly when Saints played at Spurs or Arsenal. Although Terry Paine was always one of my favourites, when we signed Ron Davies he was always a joy to watch. 39 league goals (I think) in one season + cup goals - makes Suarez look ordinary! We went to another home international match - England v Wales. Wales were quickly 2-0 up, both goals were Ron Davies headers from corners - I still think he was the best header of the ball that I've ever seen. England won 3-2 and I went home happy - we won but my hero had scored twice! Moved up to Scotland and rarely got to see Saints much after that but I remain a passionate supporter. The transfer market has gone crazy in recent years - I was distraught when we sold Martin Chivers to Spurs for a world record fee of £125,000 in the late1960s. I have grown used to it over the years but it always hearts to see a good player leave. I am really impressed with RK and I am excited about our club's future. The youth academy is amazing and just gets better and better. I never like to judge anyone until they've had a chance to prove themselves. That goes for our new signings, youngsters breaking through (really impressed with Omar Rowe - one for the future), RK and his coaching team and all the board. I've only just started using this site (2 weeks ago) and like OspeySaint, I do not like all the negativity and impatience. Our club needs passionate supporters with a lot of emotion but also respect and understanding.[/p][/quote]Good post 'nomorerumours' I too was at that 9-3 game, we were 1-0 down at first ! I was also really upset when we sold Martin Chivers a local and England player for a Britisn Record fee, just as I was at loosing Shearer and Bale, now with Luke & Adam. The difference then with selling Chivers was because the club needed the cash to strengthen the team, if you remember we bought Jimmy Gabriel & John MacGrath, plus we had an unknown young replacement in Mick Channon, so we became a better team. As opposed to now, when we don't need the cash and had possibly the best 'young team' I have seen in a Saints shirt that has take 5 years to develop be sold off just as we all believed Saints could reach the only other time we competed at the top in the Keegan/Channon days. It is this disappointment of the missed opportunity that we had for this season that makes me and many others get so upset, especially as there was no reason not to. Loosing, not one but all three of our England WC players and with strong rumour's - not denied by the club - that we may still be selling at least 3 more of our best players, does feel like we are going backwards again. However, for whatever the reason we have done that and hopefully reach the low point. Even if more of our star players leave we do have the opportunity to rebuild the team with the cash and more youngsters from the academy to get excited about. We MUST NOT waste that cash on mediocre players as we have done recently, also we do need to get as many in asap as the current squad is looking very weak in most areas, especially up front. I don't want us to miss the next opportunity of a good start to the season that we have been given with the first 12 games, because if we do not win most of these our season will be a very difficult one. The board need to give RonKo the chance to rebuild the team without the pressure of a relegation battle. It is this potentially 'missed opportunity' that many of us see happening, with so many new recruits needed and with time running out, yet no news on any top quality incoming players, only outgoing ones that is making many of us get impatient. The club and new managers must know and have identified all the top players we need and we CAN afford them. Their lack of arrival is unsettling others, so no wonder we are becoming impatient. I am looking forward to top quality arrivals but will be deeply disappointed if we waste the money by only bringing mediocre and older players in, hence missing yet another opportunity. Being a Saints fans is like being on a roller coaster of ups & downs, many downs but also the occasional high, I thought I would be watching a 'high' this season but now hope that last season wasn't it. I believe that the Koeman Brothers have come to take us on and up a level, so the Board need to get behind them, just as I will as always ! COYR&WS NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 4

8:15am Sun 20 Jul 14

TPFKARTSNINZ says...

Gormzzz wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil


igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that.
Que heiligen.....
Loool yeah I've seen they think I'm you but I literally can't be bothered to even reply and give them what they want, they literally patrol this site 24/7.. There not the real Saints fans, if they had there way we'd have a team of championship players and anybody that disagreed would be forced to support liverpool. Vaedy must just be a rumour though, surely we'd never go for somebody that bad, I understand we can't attract great players now but I'd like too see some potential.
Get a room.
[quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that. Que heiligen.....[/p][/quote]Loool yeah I've seen they think I'm you but I literally can't be bothered to even reply and give them what they want, they literally patrol this site 24/7.. There not the real Saints fans, if they had there way we'd have a team of championship players and anybody that disagreed would be forced to support liverpool. Vaedy must just be a rumour though, surely we'd never go for somebody that bad, I understand we can't attract great players now but I'd like too see some potential.[/p][/quote]Get a room. TPFKARTSNINZ
  • Score: 8

8:34am Sun 20 Jul 14

long memory says...

I really hope the report in the Daily Mirror Is not true, JR Is refusing to sign an extended contract.
I really hope the report in the Daily Mirror Is not true, JR Is refusing to sign an extended contract. long memory
  • Score: 0

8:48am Sun 20 Jul 14

long memory says...

long memory wrote:
I really hope the report in the Daily Mirror Is not true, JR Is refusing to sign an extended contract.
Sorry, Sunday People, not Daily Mirror.
[quote][p][bold]long memory[/bold] wrote: I really hope the report in the Daily Mirror Is not true, JR Is refusing to sign an extended contract.[/p][/quote]Sorry, Sunday People, not Daily Mirror. long memory
  • Score: 1

9:02am Sun 20 Jul 14

TPFKARTSNINZ says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Received my season ticket and got quite excited to find a booklet in the pack, but then disappointed to find it was totally full of fans story's. OK, but nothing in it about anything else. We are starting a new season with a new board and new management team, so there should have been plenty of information about them all to relay to us.

It is the same with the first team at the moment, it is a nice pack (as good new management team) that is concealing nothing else (cos all players are leaving).

I accept that ignoring the revolving door of players that is about to speed up with at least 3 or 4 more departing shortly, was probably a correct decision not to highlight this.

We must have half a dozen young players breaking through next season to allow so many to leave. I can't think of a single first team player who has not been rumored to be wanting to leave this summer. That must be a first for any club, especially after having a really GOOD previous season !!
There must have been more going on behind the scene than we were informed of to totally dismantle a team that took 5 years to build and was ready to kick onto to another level.

Well whatever the reason, the Koeman Brothers can now build their own team, so lets forget this season as it is obviously going to be a rebuilding season that hopefully keeps us clear of the relegation zone, to hopefully come back stronger the following season or two.

The main problem is that we are selling very good players some quite young who have proved themselves in the Prem, however our record of buying good quality ones is only about 1 in 3.

Hopefully Saints don't waste the money on mediocre players who end up as cover, as that will take us even longer to come back. RonKo is only on a 3 year contract !!

Advice to those buying the new shirt, put your own name on the back as we don't know who will be "In that Number, when the Saints come matching in" by 2nd September !!

Supporting Saints is never a dull moment, so after 50 years with a season ticket, I don't know why I still get so emotional.

COYR&WS
I have also been a Saints fan for over 50 years - since November 1963. When I was 10, my father took me and my two brothers to Wembley to watch the home international between England and Northern Ireland. England won 8-3 and that was the first ever match that I went to. In that game there were 2 hat ricks. Jimmy Greaves got 4 and Terry Paine got 3. As my older brother supported Spurs, I decided to support Southampton. If you think strange transfer decisions are a feature of the modern game, read on! I saw my first game at The Dell in September 1965. We lived in London and my younger brother had just started supporting Wolves and as it was his birthday we had persuaded our father to take us to Saints v Wolves. It ended up 9-3 - Saint's best ever league result. Martin Chivers got 4 and Terry Paine got 2. Jimmy Melia did not score but got at least 6 assists! It took us to the top of the Division 2 table. Wolves goal keeper was Dave Maclaren and you'd think that letting in 9 against us would not inspire much transfer interest. We bought him the following summer (for around £10k, I think - a lot of money in those days. Nobody criticised our long-term manager, Ted Bates! We faded a little mid season. The next time I saw Saints was when my father took us to see the return match at Molineux the following March. Having got used to 8-3 and 9-3 scorelines, I was somewhat disappointed to see a 1-1 draw! It was enough to take Saints back into 2nd spot and next month we secured the runners-up spot to gain our 1st ever promotion to the top flight. I saw a few Division 1 games mostly when Saints played at Spurs or Arsenal. Although Terry Paine was always one of my favourites, when we signed Ron Davies he was always a joy to watch. 39 league goals (I think) in one season + cup goals - makes Suarez look ordinary! We went to another home international match - England v Wales. Wales were quickly 2-0 up, both goals were Ron Davies headers from corners - I still think he was the best header of the ball that I've ever seen. England won 3-2 and I went home happy - we won but my hero had scored twice! Moved up to Scotland and rarely got to see Saints much after that but I remain a passionate supporter. The transfer market has gone crazy in recent years - I was distraught when we sold Martin Chivers to Spurs for a world record fee of £125,000 in the late1960s. I have grown used to it over the years but it always hearts to see a good player leave. I am really impressed with RK and I am excited about our club's future. The youth academy is amazing and just gets better and better. I never like to judge anyone until they've had a chance to prove themselves. That goes for our new signings, youngsters breaking through (really impressed with Omar Rowe - one for the future), RK and his coaching team and all the board. I've only just started using this site (2 weeks ago) and like OspeySaint, I do not like all the negativity and impatience. Our club needs passionate supporters with a lot of emotion but also respect and understanding.
Good post 'nomorerumours'

I too was at that 9-3 game, we were 1-0 down at first !
I was also really upset when we sold Martin Chivers a local and England player for a Britisn Record fee, just as I was at loosing Shearer and Bale, now with Luke & Adam.

The difference then with selling Chivers was because the club needed the cash to strengthen the team, if you remember we bought Jimmy Gabriel & John MacGrath, plus we had an unknown young replacement in Mick Channon, so we became a better team.
As opposed to now, when we don't need the cash and had possibly the best 'young team' I have seen in a Saints shirt that has take 5 years to develop be sold off just as we all believed Saints could reach the only other time we competed at the top in the Keegan/Channon days.

It is this disappointment of the missed opportunity that we had for this season that makes me and many others get so upset, especially as there was no reason not to.

Loosing, not one but all three of our England WC players and with strong rumour's - not denied by the club - that we may still be selling at least 3 more of our best players, does feel like we are going backwards again.

However, for whatever the reason we have done that and hopefully reach the low point. Even if more of our star players leave we do have the opportunity to rebuild the team with the cash and more youngsters from the academy to get excited about.

We MUST NOT waste that cash on mediocre players as we have done recently, also we do need to get as many in asap as the current squad is looking very weak in most areas, especially up front.
I don't want us to miss the next opportunity of a good start to the season that we have been given with the first 12 games, because if we do not win most of these our season will be a very difficult one.

The board need to give RonKo the chance to rebuild the team without the pressure of a relegation battle.

It is this potentially 'missed opportunity' that many of us see happening, with so many new recruits needed and with time running out, yet no news on any top quality incoming players, only outgoing ones that is making many of us get impatient.

The club and new managers must know and have identified all the top players we need and we CAN afford them. Their lack of arrival is unsettling others, so no wonder we are becoming impatient.

I am looking forward to top quality arrivals but will be deeply disappointed if we waste the money by only bringing mediocre and older players in, hence missing yet another opportunity.

Being a Saints fans is like being on a roller coaster of ups & downs, many downs but also the occasional high, I thought I would be watching a 'high' this season but now hope that last season wasn't it.

I believe that the Koeman Brothers have come to take us on and up a level, so the Board need to get behind them, just as I will as always !

COYR&WS
Great post. Probably expresses what most Saints fans are thinking without having to resort to puerile, juvenile insults to make a point.

By the way, I have only been going to The Dell/SMS for 38 years, so I bow to your greater time of roller coaster riding!

COYR!
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Received my season ticket and got quite excited to find a booklet in the pack, but then disappointed to find it was totally full of fans story's. OK, but nothing in it about anything else. We are starting a new season with a new board and new management team, so there should have been plenty of information about them all to relay to us. It is the same with the first team at the moment, it is a nice pack (as good new management team) that is concealing nothing else (cos all players are leaving). I accept that ignoring the revolving door of players that is about to speed up with at least 3 or 4 more departing shortly, was probably a correct decision not to highlight this. We must have half a dozen young players breaking through next season to allow so many to leave. I can't think of a single first team player who has not been rumored to be wanting to leave this summer. That must be a first for any club, especially after having a really GOOD previous season !! There must have been more going on behind the scene than we were informed of to totally dismantle a team that took 5 years to build and was ready to kick onto to another level. Well whatever the reason, the Koeman Brothers can now build their own team, so lets forget this season as it is obviously going to be a rebuilding season that hopefully keeps us clear of the relegation zone, to hopefully come back stronger the following season or two. The main problem is that we are selling very good players some quite young who have proved themselves in the Prem, however our record of buying good quality ones is only about 1 in 3. Hopefully Saints don't waste the money on mediocre players who end up as cover, as that will take us even longer to come back. RonKo is only on a 3 year contract !! Advice to those buying the new shirt, put your own name on the back as we don't know who will be "In that Number, when the Saints come matching in" by 2nd September !! Supporting Saints is never a dull moment, so after 50 years with a season ticket, I don't know why I still get so emotional. COYR&WS[/p][/quote]I have also been a Saints fan for over 50 years - since November 1963. When I was 10, my father took me and my two brothers to Wembley to watch the home international between England and Northern Ireland. England won 8-3 and that was the first ever match that I went to. In that game there were 2 hat ricks. Jimmy Greaves got 4 and Terry Paine got 3. As my older brother supported Spurs, I decided to support Southampton. If you think strange transfer decisions are a feature of the modern game, read on! I saw my first game at The Dell in September 1965. We lived in London and my younger brother had just started supporting Wolves and as it was his birthday we had persuaded our father to take us to Saints v Wolves. It ended up 9-3 - Saint's best ever league result. Martin Chivers got 4 and Terry Paine got 2. Jimmy Melia did not score but got at least 6 assists! It took us to the top of the Division 2 table. Wolves goal keeper was Dave Maclaren and you'd think that letting in 9 against us would not inspire much transfer interest. We bought him the following summer (for around £10k, I think - a lot of money in those days. Nobody criticised our long-term manager, Ted Bates! We faded a little mid season. The next time I saw Saints was when my father took us to see the return match at Molineux the following March. Having got used to 8-3 and 9-3 scorelines, I was somewhat disappointed to see a 1-1 draw! It was enough to take Saints back into 2nd spot and next month we secured the runners-up spot to gain our 1st ever promotion to the top flight. I saw a few Division 1 games mostly when Saints played at Spurs or Arsenal. Although Terry Paine was always one of my favourites, when we signed Ron Davies he was always a joy to watch. 39 league goals (I think) in one season + cup goals - makes Suarez look ordinary! We went to another home international match - England v Wales. Wales were quickly 2-0 up, both goals were Ron Davies headers from corners - I still think he was the best header of the ball that I've ever seen. England won 3-2 and I went home happy - we won but my hero had scored twice! Moved up to Scotland and rarely got to see Saints much after that but I remain a passionate supporter. The transfer market has gone crazy in recent years - I was distraught when we sold Martin Chivers to Spurs for a world record fee of £125,000 in the late1960s. I have grown used to it over the years but it always hearts to see a good player leave. I am really impressed with RK and I am excited about our club's future. The youth academy is amazing and just gets better and better. I never like to judge anyone until they've had a chance to prove themselves. That goes for our new signings, youngsters breaking through (really impressed with Omar Rowe - one for the future), RK and his coaching team and all the board. I've only just started using this site (2 weeks ago) and like OspeySaint, I do not like all the negativity and impatience. Our club needs passionate supporters with a lot of emotion but also respect and understanding.[/p][/quote]Good post 'nomorerumours' I too was at that 9-3 game, we were 1-0 down at first ! I was also really upset when we sold Martin Chivers a local and England player for a Britisn Record fee, just as I was at loosing Shearer and Bale, now with Luke & Adam. The difference then with selling Chivers was because the club needed the cash to strengthen the team, if you remember we bought Jimmy Gabriel & John MacGrath, plus we had an unknown young replacement in Mick Channon, so we became a better team. As opposed to now, when we don't need the cash and had possibly the best 'young team' I have seen in a Saints shirt that has take 5 years to develop be sold off just as we all believed Saints could reach the only other time we competed at the top in the Keegan/Channon days. It is this disappointment of the missed opportunity that we had for this season that makes me and many others get so upset, especially as there was no reason not to. Loosing, not one but all three of our England WC players and with strong rumour's - not denied by the club - that we may still be selling at least 3 more of our best players, does feel like we are going backwards again. However, for whatever the reason we have done that and hopefully reach the low point. Even if more of our star players leave we do have the opportunity to rebuild the team with the cash and more youngsters from the academy to get excited about. We MUST NOT waste that cash on mediocre players as we have done recently, also we do need to get as many in asap as the current squad is looking very weak in most areas, especially up front. I don't want us to miss the next opportunity of a good start to the season that we have been given with the first 12 games, because if we do not win most of these our season will be a very difficult one. The board need to give RonKo the chance to rebuild the team without the pressure of a relegation battle. It is this potentially 'missed opportunity' that many of us see happening, with so many new recruits needed and with time running out, yet no news on any top quality incoming players, only outgoing ones that is making many of us get impatient. The club and new managers must know and have identified all the top players we need and we CAN afford them. Their lack of arrival is unsettling others, so no wonder we are becoming impatient. I am looking forward to top quality arrivals but will be deeply disappointed if we waste the money by only bringing mediocre and older players in, hence missing yet another opportunity. Being a Saints fans is like being on a roller coaster of ups & downs, many downs but also the occasional high, I thought I would be watching a 'high' this season but now hope that last season wasn't it. I believe that the Koeman Brothers have come to take us on and up a level, so the Board need to get behind them, just as I will as always ! COYR&WS[/p][/quote]Great post. Probably expresses what most Saints fans are thinking without having to resort to puerile, juvenile insults to make a point. By the way, I have only been going to The Dell/SMS for 38 years, so I bow to your greater time of roller coaster riding! COYR! TPFKARTSNINZ
  • Score: 0

9:11am Sun 20 Jul 14

spratt says...

long memory wrote:
long memory wrote:
I really hope the report in the Daily Mirror Is not true, JR Is refusing to sign an extended contract.
Sorry, Sunday People, not Daily Mirror.
Oh thanks!!!!! and I just logged in to hear some GOOD news - like the advanced negotiations for a couple of top quality players. Back to bed.
[quote][p][bold]long memory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]long memory[/bold] wrote: I really hope the report in the Daily Mirror Is not true, JR Is refusing to sign an extended contract.[/p][/quote]Sorry, Sunday People, not Daily Mirror.[/p][/quote]Oh thanks!!!!! and I just logged in to hear some GOOD news - like the advanced negotiations for a couple of top quality players. Back to bed. spratt
  • Score: -1

9:11am Sun 20 Jul 14

Rupert Lowe's Backside says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
Invidia wrote:
Delgardo ???
Delgado had a history of knee problems, so it was the fault only of the Saints regime at the time for taking too big a gamble on buying him. Agustin Delgado did not headbutt a team mate and did not lose his temper.

Dani Osvaldo came to Saints along with his history of being temperamental and being a problem at his previous club. He continues to let Saints down, which is his fault. He continues to be an exceptionally stupid footballer, who is unable to grasp the simple fact that his poor behaviour both on and off the pitch directly threatens his own career. He will possibly have already noticed that many of the better known clubs in Europe are not interested in buying a very flawed Dani Osvaldo. His temper and oversized ego are, I hope, costing him money in forgone wages.

Billy Sharp is worth countless guys like Osvaldo. Billy might not have the technical ability of Osvaldo, but he is a team player, which is an idea lost on Osvaldo. Billy is at Saints. Osvaldo is actually nowhere. I wish only the best for Billy Sharp!!!
Here here on Billy Sharp...RK should give him a go, I think he could be a good impact player off the bench or effective foil for Pelle on the ground
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: Delgardo ???[/p][/quote]Delgado had a history of knee problems, so it was the fault only of the Saints regime at the time for taking too big a gamble on buying him. Agustin Delgado did not headbutt a team mate and did not lose his temper. Dani Osvaldo came to Saints along with his history of being temperamental and being a problem at his previous club. He continues to let Saints down, which is his fault. He continues to be an exceptionally stupid footballer, who is unable to grasp the simple fact that his poor behaviour both on and off the pitch directly threatens his own career. He will possibly have already noticed that many of the better known clubs in Europe are not interested in buying a very flawed Dani Osvaldo. His temper and oversized ego are, I hope, costing him money in forgone wages. Billy Sharp is worth countless guys like Osvaldo. Billy might not have the technical ability of Osvaldo, but he is a team player, which is an idea lost on Osvaldo. Billy is at Saints. Osvaldo is actually nowhere. I wish only the best for Billy Sharp!!![/p][/quote]Here here on Billy Sharp...RK should give him a go, I think he could be a good impact player off the bench or effective foil for Pelle on the ground Rupert Lowe's Backside
  • Score: 2

9:33am Sun 20 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

We appear nowhere at the moment viz a viz improving, if we do not hit the ground running particularly as we have a relatively easy start to the campaign will produce massive discontent and that will affect team morale and all that goes with it.

Boards of almost every club are usually never honest with their true intentions so only actions can be judged, on this basis I am extremely worried, the positives are putting their 'faith' and at the moment that is all it is in the board, the negatives do not believe that continued progress is being sought, at best staying up will be enough to safeguard their 'product' value.

For me the choker is the missed opportunity, I swear that no club outside the top 6 will ever be so close to breaking the stranglehold for so little (50 million) in relative terms…..

KL was not risking a loss as she is already sat on a fortune from her fathers original investment..

..should we find ourselves in a relegation battle the backlash will be so much more than back in the days when fighting for survival was accepted.
We appear nowhere at the moment viz a viz improving, if we do not hit the ground running particularly as we have a relatively easy start to the campaign will produce massive discontent and that will affect team morale and all that goes with it. Boards of almost every club are usually never honest with their true intentions so only actions can be judged, on this basis I am extremely worried, the positives are putting their 'faith' and at the moment that is all it is in the board, the negatives do not believe that continued progress is being sought, at best staying up will be enough to safeguard their 'product' value. For me the choker is the missed opportunity, I swear that no club outside the top 6 will ever be so close to breaking the stranglehold for so little (50 million) in relative terms….. KL was not risking a loss as she is already sat on a fortune from her fathers original investment.. ..should we find ourselves in a relegation battle the backlash will be so much more than back in the days when fighting for survival was accepted. warrens 76
  • Score: 3

9:38am Sun 20 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

TPFKARTSNINZ wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Received my season ticket and got quite excited to find a booklet in the pack, but then disappointed to find it was totally full of fans story's. OK, but nothing in it about anything else. We are starting a new season with a new board and new management team, so there should have been plenty of information about them all to relay to us.

It is the same with the first team at the moment, it is a nice pack (as good new management team) that is concealing nothing else (cos all players are leaving).

I accept that ignoring the revolving door of players that is about to speed up with at least 3 or 4 more departing shortly, was probably a correct decision not to highlight this.

We must have half a dozen young players breaking through next season to allow so many to leave. I can't think of a single first team player who has not been rumored to be wanting to leave this summer. That must be a first for any club, especially after having a really GOOD previous season !!
There must have been more going on behind the scene than we were informed of to totally dismantle a team that took 5 years to build and was ready to kick onto to another level.

Well whatever the reason, the Koeman Brothers can now build their own team, so lets forget this season as it is obviously going to be a rebuilding season that hopefully keeps us clear of the relegation zone, to hopefully come back stronger the following season or two.

The main problem is that we are selling very good players some quite young who have proved themselves in the Prem, however our record of buying good quality ones is only about 1 in 3.

Hopefully Saints don't waste the money on mediocre players who end up as cover, as that will take us even longer to come back. RonKo is only on a 3 year contract !!

Advice to those buying the new shirt, put your own name on the back as we don't know who will be "In that Number, when the Saints come matching in" by 2nd September !!

Supporting Saints is never a dull moment, so after 50 years with a season ticket, I don't know why I still get so emotional.

COYR&WS
I have also been a Saints fan for over 50 years - since November 1963. When I was 10, my father took me and my two brothers to Wembley to watch the home international between England and Northern Ireland. England won 8-3 and that was the first ever match that I went to. In that game there were 2 hat ricks. Jimmy Greaves got 4 and Terry Paine got 3. As my older brother supported Spurs, I decided to support Southampton. If you think strange transfer decisions are a feature of the modern game, read on! I saw my first game at The Dell in September 1965. We lived in London and my younger brother had just started supporting Wolves and as it was his birthday we had persuaded our father to take us to Saints v Wolves. It ended up 9-3 - Saint's best ever league result. Martin Chivers got 4 and Terry Paine got 2. Jimmy Melia did not score but got at least 6 assists! It took us to the top of the Division 2 table. Wolves goal keeper was Dave Maclaren and you'd think that letting in 9 against us would not inspire much transfer interest. We bought him the following summer (for around £10k, I think - a lot of money in those days. Nobody criticised our long-term manager, Ted Bates! We faded a little mid season. The next time I saw Saints was when my father took us to see the return match at Molineux the following March. Having got used to 8-3 and 9-3 scorelines, I was somewhat disappointed to see a 1-1 draw! It was enough to take Saints back into 2nd spot and next month we secured the runners-up spot to gain our 1st ever promotion to the top flight. I saw a few Division 1 games mostly when Saints played at Spurs or Arsenal. Although Terry Paine was always one of my favourites, when we signed Ron Davies he was always a joy to watch. 39 league goals (I think) in one season + cup goals - makes Suarez look ordinary! We went to another home international match - England v Wales. Wales were quickly 2-0 up, both goals were Ron Davies headers from corners - I still think he was the best header of the ball that I've ever seen. England won 3-2 and I went home happy - we won but my hero had scored twice! Moved up to Scotland and rarely got to see Saints much after that but I remain a passionate supporter. The transfer market has gone crazy in recent years - I was distraught when we sold Martin Chivers to Spurs for a world record fee of £125,000 in the late1960s. I have grown used to it over the years but it always hearts to see a good player leave. I am really impressed with RK and I am excited about our club's future. The youth academy is amazing and just gets better and better. I never like to judge anyone until they've had a chance to prove themselves. That goes for our new signings, youngsters breaking through (really impressed with Omar Rowe - one for the future), RK and his coaching team and all the board. I've only just started using this site (2 weeks ago) and like OspeySaint, I do not like all the negativity and impatience. Our club needs passionate supporters with a lot of emotion but also respect and understanding.
Good post 'nomorerumours'

I too was at that 9-3 game, we were 1-0 down at first !
I was also really upset when we sold Martin Chivers a local and England player for a Britisn Record fee, just as I was at loosing Shearer and Bale, now with Luke & Adam.

The difference then with selling Chivers was because the club needed the cash to strengthen the team, if you remember we bought Jimmy Gabriel & John MacGrath, plus we had an unknown young replacement in Mick Channon, so we became a better team.
As opposed to now, when we don't need the cash and had possibly the best 'young team' I have seen in a Saints shirt that has take 5 years to develop be sold off just as we all believed Saints could reach the only other time we competed at the top in the Keegan/Channon days.

It is this disappointment of the missed opportunity that we had for this season that makes me and many others get so upset, especially as there was no reason not to.

Loosing, not one but all three of our England WC players and with strong rumour's - not denied by the club - that we may still be selling at least 3 more of our best players, does feel like we are going backwards again.

However, for whatever the reason we have done that and hopefully reach the low point. Even if more of our star players leave we do have the opportunity to rebuild the team with the cash and more youngsters from the academy to get excited about.

We MUST NOT waste that cash on mediocre players as we have done recently, also we do need to get as many in asap as the current squad is looking very weak in most areas, especially up front.
I don't want us to miss the next opportunity of a good start to the season that we have been given with the first 12 games, because if we do not win most of these our season will be a very difficult one.

The board need to give RonKo the chance to rebuild the team without the pressure of a relegation battle.

It is this potentially 'missed opportunity' that many of us see happening, with so many new recruits needed and with time running out, yet no news on any top quality incoming players, only outgoing ones that is making many of us get impatient.

The club and new managers must know and have identified all the top players we need and we CAN afford them. Their lack of arrival is unsettling others, so no wonder we are becoming impatient.

I am looking forward to top quality arrivals but will be deeply disappointed if we waste the money by only bringing mediocre and older players in, hence missing yet another opportunity.

Being a Saints fans is like being on a roller coaster of ups & downs, many downs but also the occasional high, I thought I would be watching a 'high' this season but now hope that last season wasn't it.

I believe that the Koeman Brothers have come to take us on and up a level, so the Board need to get behind them, just as I will as always !

COYR&WS
Great post. Probably expresses what most Saints fans are thinking without having to resort to puerile, juvenile insults to make a point.

By the way, I have only been going to The Dell/SMS for 38 years, so I bow to your greater time of roller coaster riding!

COYR!
Say's the man who quoted and said 'get a room' looks like your the one with juvenile responses and not much else to say. 38 years of being a ****, if you had your way we'd be in league 2 with a crap team.
[quote][p][bold]TPFKARTSNINZ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Received my season ticket and got quite excited to find a booklet in the pack, but then disappointed to find it was totally full of fans story's. OK, but nothing in it about anything else. We are starting a new season with a new board and new management team, so there should have been plenty of information about them all to relay to us. It is the same with the first team at the moment, it is a nice pack (as good new management team) that is concealing nothing else (cos all players are leaving). I accept that ignoring the revolving door of players that is about to speed up with at least 3 or 4 more departing shortly, was probably a correct decision not to highlight this. We must have half a dozen young players breaking through next season to allow so many to leave. I can't think of a single first team player who has not been rumored to be wanting to leave this summer. That must be a first for any club, especially after having a really GOOD previous season !! There must have been more going on behind the scene than we were informed of to totally dismantle a team that took 5 years to build and was ready to kick onto to another level. Well whatever the reason, the Koeman Brothers can now build their own team, so lets forget this season as it is obviously going to be a rebuilding season that hopefully keeps us clear of the relegation zone, to hopefully come back stronger the following season or two. The main problem is that we are selling very good players some quite young who have proved themselves in the Prem, however our record of buying good quality ones is only about 1 in 3. Hopefully Saints don't waste the money on mediocre players who end up as cover, as that will take us even longer to come back. RonKo is only on a 3 year contract !! Advice to those buying the new shirt, put your own name on the back as we don't know who will be "In that Number, when the Saints come matching in" by 2nd September !! Supporting Saints is never a dull moment, so after 50 years with a season ticket, I don't know why I still get so emotional. COYR&WS[/p][/quote]I have also been a Saints fan for over 50 years - since November 1963. When I was 10, my father took me and my two brothers to Wembley to watch the home international between England and Northern Ireland. England won 8-3 and that was the first ever match that I went to. In that game there were 2 hat ricks. Jimmy Greaves got 4 and Terry Paine got 3. As my older brother supported Spurs, I decided to support Southampton. If you think strange transfer decisions are a feature of the modern game, read on! I saw my first game at The Dell in September 1965. We lived in London and my younger brother had just started supporting Wolves and as it was his birthday we had persuaded our father to take us to Saints v Wolves. It ended up 9-3 - Saint's best ever league result. Martin Chivers got 4 and Terry Paine got 2. Jimmy Melia did not score but got at least 6 assists! It took us to the top of the Division 2 table. Wolves goal keeper was Dave Maclaren and you'd think that letting in 9 against us would not inspire much transfer interest. We bought him the following summer (for around £10k, I think - a lot of money in those days. Nobody criticised our long-term manager, Ted Bates! We faded a little mid season. The next time I saw Saints was when my father took us to see the return match at Molineux the following March. Having got used to 8-3 and 9-3 scorelines, I was somewhat disappointed to see a 1-1 draw! It was enough to take Saints back into 2nd spot and next month we secured the runners-up spot to gain our 1st ever promotion to the top flight. I saw a few Division 1 games mostly when Saints played at Spurs or Arsenal. Although Terry Paine was always one of my favourites, when we signed Ron Davies he was always a joy to watch. 39 league goals (I think) in one season + cup goals - makes Suarez look ordinary! We went to another home international match - England v Wales. Wales were quickly 2-0 up, both goals were Ron Davies headers from corners - I still think he was the best header of the ball that I've ever seen. England won 3-2 and I went home happy - we won but my hero had scored twice! Moved up to Scotland and rarely got to see Saints much after that but I remain a passionate supporter. The transfer market has gone crazy in recent years - I was distraught when we sold Martin Chivers to Spurs for a world record fee of £125,000 in the late1960s. I have grown used to it over the years but it always hearts to see a good player leave. I am really impressed with RK and I am excited about our club's future. The youth academy is amazing and just gets better and better. I never like to judge anyone until they've had a chance to prove themselves. That goes for our new signings, youngsters breaking through (really impressed with Omar Rowe - one for the future), RK and his coaching team and all the board. I've only just started using this site (2 weeks ago) and like OspeySaint, I do not like all the negativity and impatience. Our club needs passionate supporters with a lot of emotion but also respect and understanding.[/p][/quote]Good post 'nomorerumours' I too was at that 9-3 game, we were 1-0 down at first ! I was also really upset when we sold Martin Chivers a local and England player for a Britisn Record fee, just as I was at loosing Shearer and Bale, now with Luke & Adam. The difference then with selling Chivers was because the club needed the cash to strengthen the team, if you remember we bought Jimmy Gabriel & John MacGrath, plus we had an unknown young replacement in Mick Channon, so we became a better team. As opposed to now, when we don't need the cash and had possibly the best 'young team' I have seen in a Saints shirt that has take 5 years to develop be sold off just as we all believed Saints could reach the only other time we competed at the top in the Keegan/Channon days. It is this disappointment of the missed opportunity that we had for this season that makes me and many others get so upset, especially as there was no reason not to. Loosing, not one but all three of our England WC players and with strong rumour's - not denied by the club - that we may still be selling at least 3 more of our best players, does feel like we are going backwards again. However, for whatever the reason we have done that and hopefully reach the low point. Even if more of our star players leave we do have the opportunity to rebuild the team with the cash and more youngsters from the academy to get excited about. We MUST NOT waste that cash on mediocre players as we have done recently, also we do need to get as many in asap as the current squad is looking very weak in most areas, especially up front. I don't want us to miss the next opportunity of a good start to the season that we have been given with the first 12 games, because if we do not win most of these our season will be a very difficult one. The board need to give RonKo the chance to rebuild the team without the pressure of a relegation battle. It is this potentially 'missed opportunity' that many of us see happening, with so many new recruits needed and with time running out, yet no news on any top quality incoming players, only outgoing ones that is making many of us get impatient. The club and new managers must know and have identified all the top players we need and we CAN afford them. Their lack of arrival is unsettling others, so no wonder we are becoming impatient. I am looking forward to top quality arrivals but will be deeply disappointed if we waste the money by only bringing mediocre and older players in, hence missing yet another opportunity. Being a Saints fans is like being on a roller coaster of ups & downs, many downs but also the occasional high, I thought I would be watching a 'high' this season but now hope that last season wasn't it. I believe that the Koeman Brothers have come to take us on and up a level, so the Board need to get behind them, just as I will as always ! COYR&WS[/p][/quote]Great post. Probably expresses what most Saints fans are thinking without having to resort to puerile, juvenile insults to make a point. By the way, I have only been going to The Dell/SMS for 38 years, so I bow to your greater time of roller coaster riding! COYR![/p][/quote]Say's the man who quoted and said 'get a room' looks like your the one with juvenile responses and not much else to say. 38 years of being a ****, if you had your way we'd be in league 2 with a crap team. Gormzzz
  • Score: -6

9:43am Sun 20 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil









igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that.
Que heiligen.....
Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice.
He'll do nothing. he's just saying what he thinks, exactly the same as you guys, he just doesn't happen to agree, it's quite simple really. Everybody is allowed to comment you know, wether it be in a negative or positive response to the article, some of you should just learn to discuss things with your fellow fans rather than just straight start saying things like the above. Serious psychological problems man, you obviously think your 'billy big ****' on the net my friend. And you guys are like in your 50's, I'm only 24 and I'm much more civilised.
I think old Sammy 2 heads is big enough to speak for himself don't you.
Or are you his guardian or something, stop being an apologist for some one who likes to make statements just to provoke some sort of response.
Your the one fishing for a response. You actually want to argue over the internet too. You people are unbelievable, where do we keep finding people like you. I think his negative opinion perfectly valid, he is a Saints fan too after all. Just like if you mentioned something actually related to club matters, I'd see that as a valid opinion too sonny jim.
"Sonny Jim" hahahahah...........




.. How do you know he's a Saints fan then. do you know him personally.
No but he actually seems to care about who is coming in to the club, if he we're a fan of a different club he wouldn't really care or he'd like us being rumoured to target lower standard players. I used sonny jim to mug you off, just like you guys try to do to everybody else. Night mate enjoy internet arguments. Only care about club matters, not where he lives or is he's legit, at least he actually talks to me about the team which is all I want to talk about.
"Mug me off" You really are full of yourself are you not. Sanctimonious does really sum you up.
Gormzzz we know who the real supporters are.as I have said before this lot were clapping and writing the same drivel under Rupert Lowe.we would still have him if all saints fans were like these people.i played football at various levels for over 20 years.i have represented saints and am season ticket holder.i live in Australia and my brother uses my ticket when I am in oz.i care about saints and I don't like what I am seeing at the moment.my big question is why were the 3 players sold so quickly after the transfer window opened? No other club had done any business and we had sold 3 from the first team.the had to rely on koeman to find us replacements.
Why were they not told to wait until we had replacements lined up? There is no strong leadership at the club and the players sense this,Dejan said himself he does not know who is running things.we now have a Canadian ice hockey coach and cortese's lap dog in charge.
Keep your posts coming and enjoy blightys summer
Will do mate, I'll try and enjoy the blighty summer, it's looking a bit grey out there today though, must look better over in Oz. Exactly why did we sell without a manager in place, we should have sold on our terms, when in a position to strengthen. Can't really see Lovren or Schneiderlin staying myself, imagine when Schneiderlin comes back and see's that Pelle is our shot at the big time, he'll be off. I'll keep posting anyway, I'm not afraid of what some internet wierdo may comment.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that. Que heiligen.....[/p][/quote]Go on then Billy big ****, What are you going to do about it then. What exactly is it about your opinion that is so earth shattering that Katherina and the rest of the board will sit up and take notice.[/p][/quote]He'll do nothing. he's just saying what he thinks, exactly the same as you guys, he just doesn't happen to agree, it's quite simple really. Everybody is allowed to comment you know, wether it be in a negative or positive response to the article, some of you should just learn to discuss things with your fellow fans rather than just straight start saying things like the above. Serious psychological problems man, you obviously think your 'billy big ****' on the net my friend. And you guys are like in your 50's, I'm only 24 and I'm much more civilised.[/p][/quote]I think old Sammy 2 heads is big enough to speak for himself don't you. Or are you his guardian or something, stop being an apologist for some one who likes to make statements just to provoke some sort of response.[/p][/quote]Your the one fishing for a response. You actually want to argue over the internet too. You people are unbelievable, where do we keep finding people like you. I think his negative opinion perfectly valid, he is a Saints fan too after all. Just like if you mentioned something actually related to club matters, I'd see that as a valid opinion too sonny jim.[/p][/quote]"Sonny Jim" hahahahah........... .. How do you know he's a Saints fan then. do you know him personally.[/p][/quote]No but he actually seems to care about who is coming in to the club, if he we're a fan of a different club he wouldn't really care or he'd like us being rumoured to target lower standard players. I used sonny jim to mug you off, just like you guys try to do to everybody else. Night mate enjoy internet arguments. Only care about club matters, not where he lives or is he's legit, at least he actually talks to me about the team which is all I want to talk about.[/p][/quote]"Mug me off" You really are full of yourself are you not. Sanctimonious does really sum you up.[/p][/quote]Gormzzz we know who the real supporters are.as I have said before this lot were clapping and writing the same drivel under Rupert Lowe.we would still have him if all saints fans were like these people.i played football at various levels for over 20 years.i have represented saints and am season ticket holder.i live in Australia and my brother uses my ticket when I am in oz.i care about saints and I don't like what I am seeing at the moment.my big question is why were the 3 players sold so quickly after the transfer window opened? No other club had done any business and we had sold 3 from the first team.the had to rely on koeman to find us replacements. Why were they not told to wait until we had replacements lined up? There is no strong leadership at the club and the players sense this,Dejan said himself he does not know who is running things.we now have a Canadian ice hockey coach and cortese's lap dog in charge. Keep your posts coming and enjoy blightys summer[/p][/quote]Will do mate, I'll try and enjoy the blighty summer, it's looking a bit grey out there today though, must look better over in Oz. Exactly why did we sell without a manager in place, we should have sold on our terms, when in a position to strengthen. Can't really see Lovren or Schneiderlin staying myself, imagine when Schneiderlin comes back and see's that Pelle is our shot at the big time, he'll be off. I'll keep posting anyway, I'm not afraid of what some internet wierdo may comment. Gormzzz
  • Score: -1

9:49am Sun 20 Jul 14

TPFKARTSNINZ says...

Gormzzz wrote:
TPFKARTSNINZ wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Received my season ticket and got quite excited to find a booklet in the pack, but then disappointed to find it was totally full of fans story's. OK, but nothing in it about anything else. We are starting a new season with a new board and new management team, so there should have been plenty of information about them all to relay to us.

It is the same with the first team at the moment, it is a nice pack (as good new management team) that is concealing nothing else (cos all players are leaving).

I accept that ignoring the revolving door of players that is about to speed up with at least 3 or 4 more departing shortly, was probably a correct decision not to highlight this.

We must have half a dozen young players breaking through next season to allow so many to leave. I can't think of a single first team player who has not been rumored to be wanting to leave this summer. That must be a first for any club, especially after having a really GOOD previous season !!
There must have been more going on behind the scene than we were informed of to totally dismantle a team that took 5 years to build and was ready to kick onto to another level.

Well whatever the reason, the Koeman Brothers can now build their own team, so lets forget this season as it is obviously going to be a rebuilding season that hopefully keeps us clear of the relegation zone, to hopefully come back stronger the following season or two.

The main problem is that we are selling very good players some quite young who have proved themselves in the Prem, however our record of buying good quality ones is only about 1 in 3.

Hopefully Saints don't waste the money on mediocre players who end up as cover, as that will take us even longer to come back. RonKo is only on a 3 year contract !!

Advice to those buying the new shirt, put your own name on the back as we don't know who will be "In that Number, when the Saints come matching in" by 2nd September !!

Supporting Saints is never a dull moment, so after 50 years with a season ticket, I don't know why I still get so emotional.

COYR&WS
I have also been a Saints fan for over 50 years - since November 1963. When I was 10, my father took me and my two brothers to Wembley to watch the home international between England and Northern Ireland. England won 8-3 and that was the first ever match that I went to. In that game there were 2 hat ricks. Jimmy Greaves got 4 and Terry Paine got 3. As my older brother supported Spurs, I decided to support Southampton. If you think strange transfer decisions are a feature of the modern game, read on! I saw my first game at The Dell in September 1965. We lived in London and my younger brother had just started supporting Wolves and as it was his birthday we had persuaded our father to take us to Saints v Wolves. It ended up 9-3 - Saint's best ever league result. Martin Chivers got 4 and Terry Paine got 2. Jimmy Melia did not score but got at least 6 assists! It took us to the top of the Division 2 table. Wolves goal keeper was Dave Maclaren and you'd think that letting in 9 against us would not inspire much transfer interest. We bought him the following summer (for around £10k, I think - a lot of money in those days. Nobody criticised our long-term manager, Ted Bates! We faded a little mid season. The next time I saw Saints was when my father took us to see the return match at Molineux the following March. Having got used to 8-3 and 9-3 scorelines, I was somewhat disappointed to see a 1-1 draw! It was enough to take Saints back into 2nd spot and next month we secured the runners-up spot to gain our 1st ever promotion to the top flight. I saw a few Division 1 games mostly when Saints played at Spurs or Arsenal. Although Terry Paine was always one of my favourites, when we signed Ron Davies he was always a joy to watch. 39 league goals (I think) in one season + cup goals - makes Suarez look ordinary! We went to another home international match - England v Wales. Wales were quickly 2-0 up, both goals were Ron Davies headers from corners - I still think he was the best header of the ball that I've ever seen. England won 3-2 and I went home happy - we won but my hero had scored twice! Moved up to Scotland and rarely got to see Saints much after that but I remain a passionate supporter. The transfer market has gone crazy in recent years - I was distraught when we sold Martin Chivers to Spurs for a world record fee of £125,000 in the late1960s. I have grown used to it over the years but it always hearts to see a good player leave. I am really impressed with RK and I am excited about our club's future. The youth academy is amazing and just gets better and better. I never like to judge anyone until they've had a chance to prove themselves. That goes for our new signings, youngsters breaking through (really impressed with Omar Rowe - one for the future), RK and his coaching team and all the board. I've only just started using this site (2 weeks ago) and like OspeySaint, I do not like all the negativity and impatience. Our club needs passionate supporters with a lot of emotion but also respect and understanding.
Good post 'nomorerumours'

I too was at that 9-3 game, we were 1-0 down at first !
I was also really upset when we sold Martin Chivers a local and England player for a Britisn Record fee, just as I was at loosing Shearer and Bale, now with Luke & Adam.

The difference then with selling Chivers was because the club needed the cash to strengthen the team, if you remember we bought Jimmy Gabriel & John MacGrath, plus we had an unknown young replacement in Mick Channon, so we became a better team.
As opposed to now, when we don't need the cash and had possibly the best 'young team' I have seen in a Saints shirt that has take 5 years to develop be sold off just as we all believed Saints could reach the only other time we competed at the top in the Keegan/Channon days.

It is this disappointment of the missed opportunity that we had for this season that makes me and many others get so upset, especially as there was no reason not to.

Loosing, not one but all three of our England WC players and with strong rumour's - not denied by the club - that we may still be selling at least 3 more of our best players, does feel like we are going backwards again.

However, for whatever the reason we have done that and hopefully reach the low point. Even if more of our star players leave we do have the opportunity to rebuild the team with the cash and more youngsters from the academy to get excited about.

We MUST NOT waste that cash on mediocre players as we have done recently, also we do need to get as many in asap as the current squad is looking very weak in most areas, especially up front.
I don't want us to miss the next opportunity of a good start to the season that we have been given with the first 12 games, because if we do not win most of these our season will be a very difficult one.

The board need to give RonKo the chance to rebuild the team without the pressure of a relegation battle.

It is this potentially 'missed opportunity' that many of us see happening, with so many new recruits needed and with time running out, yet no news on any top quality incoming players, only outgoing ones that is making many of us get impatient.

The club and new managers must know and have identified all the top players we need and we CAN afford them. Their lack of arrival is unsettling others, so no wonder we are becoming impatient.

I am looking forward to top quality arrivals but will be deeply disappointed if we waste the money by only bringing mediocre and older players in, hence missing yet another opportunity.

Being a Saints fans is like being on a roller coaster of ups & downs, many downs but also the occasional high, I thought I would be watching a 'high' this season but now hope that last season wasn't it.

I believe that the Koeman Brothers have come to take us on and up a level, so the Board need to get behind them, just as I will as always !

COYR&WS
Great post. Probably expresses what most Saints fans are thinking without having to resort to puerile, juvenile insults to make a point.

By the way, I have only been going to The Dell/SMS for 38 years, so I bow to your greater time of roller coaster riding!

COYR!
Say's the man who quoted and said 'get a room' looks like your the one with juvenile responses and not much else to say. 38 years of being a ****, if you had your way we'd be in league 2 with a crap team.
Oh dear.......

I rest my case.

COYR!
[quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TPFKARTSNINZ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Received my season ticket and got quite excited to find a booklet in the pack, but then disappointed to find it was totally full of fans story's. OK, but nothing in it about anything else. We are starting a new season with a new board and new management team, so there should have been plenty of information about them all to relay to us. It is the same with the first team at the moment, it is a nice pack (as good new management team) that is concealing nothing else (cos all players are leaving). I accept that ignoring the revolving door of players that is about to speed up with at least 3 or 4 more departing shortly, was probably a correct decision not to highlight this. We must have half a dozen young players breaking through next season to allow so many to leave. I can't think of a single first team player who has not been rumored to be wanting to leave this summer. That must be a first for any club, especially after having a really GOOD previous season !! There must have been more going on behind the scene than we were informed of to totally dismantle a team that took 5 years to build and was ready to kick onto to another level. Well whatever the reason, the Koeman Brothers can now build their own team, so lets forget this season as it is obviously going to be a rebuilding season that hopefully keeps us clear of the relegation zone, to hopefully come back stronger the following season or two. The main problem is that we are selling very good players some quite young who have proved themselves in the Prem, however our record of buying good quality ones is only about 1 in 3. Hopefully Saints don't waste the money on mediocre players who end up as cover, as that will take us even longer to come back. RonKo is only on a 3 year contract !! Advice to those buying the new shirt, put your own name on the back as we don't know who will be "In that Number, when the Saints come matching in" by 2nd September !! Supporting Saints is never a dull moment, so after 50 years with a season ticket, I don't know why I still get so emotional. COYR&WS[/p][/quote]I have also been a Saints fan for over 50 years - since November 1963. When I was 10, my father took me and my two brothers to Wembley to watch the home international between England and Northern Ireland. England won 8-3 and that was the first ever match that I went to. In that game there were 2 hat ricks. Jimmy Greaves got 4 and Terry Paine got 3. As my older brother supported Spurs, I decided to support Southampton. If you think strange transfer decisions are a feature of the modern game, read on! I saw my first game at The Dell in September 1965. We lived in London and my younger brother had just started supporting Wolves and as it was his birthday we had persuaded our father to take us to Saints v Wolves. It ended up 9-3 - Saint's best ever league result. Martin Chivers got 4 and Terry Paine got 2. Jimmy Melia did not score but got at least 6 assists! It took us to the top of the Division 2 table. Wolves goal keeper was Dave Maclaren and you'd think that letting in 9 against us would not inspire much transfer interest. We bought him the following summer (for around £10k, I think - a lot of money in those days. Nobody criticised our long-term manager, Ted Bates! We faded a little mid season. The next time I saw Saints was when my father took us to see the return match at Molineux the following March. Having got used to 8-3 and 9-3 scorelines, I was somewhat disappointed to see a 1-1 draw! It was enough to take Saints back into 2nd spot and next month we secured the runners-up spot to gain our 1st ever promotion to the top flight. I saw a few Division 1 games mostly when Saints played at Spurs or Arsenal. Although Terry Paine was always one of my favourites, when we signed Ron Davies he was always a joy to watch. 39 league goals (I think) in one season + cup goals - makes Suarez look ordinary! We went to another home international match - England v Wales. Wales were quickly 2-0 up, both goals were Ron Davies headers from corners - I still think he was the best header of the ball that I've ever seen. England won 3-2 and I went home happy - we won but my hero had scored twice! Moved up to Scotland and rarely got to see Saints much after that but I remain a passionate supporter. The transfer market has gone crazy in recent years - I was distraught when we sold Martin Chivers to Spurs for a world record fee of £125,000 in the late1960s. I have grown used to it over the years but it always hearts to see a good player leave. I am really impressed with RK and I am excited about our club's future. The youth academy is amazing and just gets better and better. I never like to judge anyone until they've had a chance to prove themselves. That goes for our new signings, youngsters breaking through (really impressed with Omar Rowe - one for the future), RK and his coaching team and all the board. I've only just started using this site (2 weeks ago) and like OspeySaint, I do not like all the negativity and impatience. Our club needs passionate supporters with a lot of emotion but also respect and understanding.[/p][/quote]Good post 'nomorerumours' I too was at that 9-3 game, we were 1-0 down at first ! I was also really upset when we sold Martin Chivers a local and England player for a Britisn Record fee, just as I was at loosing Shearer and Bale, now with Luke & Adam. The difference then with selling Chivers was because the club needed the cash to strengthen the team, if you remember we bought Jimmy Gabriel & John MacGrath, plus we had an unknown young replacement in Mick Channon, so we became a better team. As opposed to now, when we don't need the cash and had possibly the best 'young team' I have seen in a Saints shirt that has take 5 years to develop be sold off just as we all believed Saints could reach the only other time we competed at the top in the Keegan/Channon days. It is this disappointment of the missed opportunity that we had for this season that makes me and many others get so upset, especially as there was no reason not to. Loosing, not one but all three of our England WC players and with strong rumour's - not denied by the club - that we may still be selling at least 3 more of our best players, does feel like we are going backwards again. However, for whatever the reason we have done that and hopefully reach the low point. Even if more of our star players leave we do have the opportunity to rebuild the team with the cash and more youngsters from the academy to get excited about. We MUST NOT waste that cash on mediocre players as we have done recently, also we do need to get as many in asap as the current squad is looking very weak in most areas, especially up front. I don't want us to miss the next opportunity of a good start to the season that we have been given with the first 12 games, because if we do not win most of these our season will be a very difficult one. The board need to give RonKo the chance to rebuild the team without the pressure of a relegation battle. It is this potentially 'missed opportunity' that many of us see happening, with so many new recruits needed and with time running out, yet no news on any top quality incoming players, only outgoing ones that is making many of us get impatient. The club and new managers must know and have identified all the top players we need and we CAN afford them. Their lack of arrival is unsettling others, so no wonder we are becoming impatient. I am looking forward to top quality arrivals but will be deeply disappointed if we waste the money by only bringing mediocre and older players in, hence missing yet another opportunity. Being a Saints fans is like being on a roller coaster of ups & downs, many downs but also the occasional high, I thought I would be watching a 'high' this season but now hope that last season wasn't it. I believe that the Koeman Brothers have come to take us on and up a level, so the Board need to get behind them, just as I will as always ! COYR&WS[/p][/quote]Great post. Probably expresses what most Saints fans are thinking without having to resort to puerile, juvenile insults to make a point. By the way, I have only been going to The Dell/SMS for 38 years, so I bow to your greater time of roller coaster riding! COYR![/p][/quote]Say's the man who quoted and said 'get a room' looks like your the one with juvenile responses and not much else to say. 38 years of being a ****, if you had your way we'd be in league 2 with a crap team.[/p][/quote]Oh dear....... I rest my case. COYR! TPFKARTSNINZ
  • Score: -2

9:53am Sun 20 Jul 14

Malcombe says...

Gormzzz

I resent your comment that you at 24 years old are more civilised than those over 50 I'm 71 and that OSPREYSAINT is a control freak or words to that affect, I was a Plumber & Heating Engineer and most of my 43 years in the business I worked in private homes and several times I had to show my maturity, only 4 times did I have confrontation and it wasn't through my disrespect it was people who undermined my skills and intelligence, sometimes I had to wait until I was in my Van to alone to scream out my honest feelings but you are not being mature and civilised with some of your comments in fact quite the opposite, I agree you are entitled to an opinion as I do many times on here and occasionally I get a little wound up if I get the thumbs down but I understand we don't all have the same thoughts and opinions, you are well aware that this year all the Supporters have endured the worst experience of demolition of the Clubs Asset's and pride ever and it touches a nerve with many, it's too early to judge the new Manager Ronald his Staff and the Players he bought and how well the Team will play, even friendlies are not a good guild the real time will be the first game in August and if you really are civilised and mature and I believe you want to be you need to be patient and not get irrate if when you have posted some disagree with your honesty that's life as you know you win some you lose some, don't let others ruffle your feathers, enjoy posting because we all love them and sometime beg to differ, all we want is the best for SFC the best Club in the Universe aren't they? well to me and you and thousands of others they are COYR ,
Gormzzz I resent your comment that you at 24 years old are more civilised than those over 50 I'm 71 and that OSPREYSAINT is a control freak or words to that affect, I was a Plumber & Heating Engineer and most of my 43 years in the business I worked in private homes and several times I had to show my maturity, only 4 times did I have confrontation and it wasn't through my disrespect it was people who undermined my skills and intelligence, sometimes I had to wait until I was in my Van to alone to scream out my honest feelings but you are not being mature and civilised with some of your comments in fact quite the opposite, I agree you are entitled to an opinion as I do many times on here and occasionally I get a little wound up if I get the thumbs down but I understand we don't all have the same thoughts and opinions, you are well aware that this year all the Supporters have endured the worst experience of demolition of the Clubs Asset's and pride ever and it touches a nerve with many, it's too early to judge the new Manager Ronald his Staff and the Players he bought and how well the Team will play, even friendlies are not a good guild the real time will be the first game in August and if you really are civilised and mature and I believe you want to be you need to be patient and not get irrate if when you have posted some disagree with your honesty that's life as you know you win some you lose some, don't let others ruffle your feathers, enjoy posting because we all love them and sometime beg to differ, all we want is the best for SFC the best Club in the Universe aren't they? well to me and you and thousands of others they are COYR , Malcombe
  • Score: 9

9:59am Sun 20 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Some people who we moaning we haven't brought anyone for 8 days have stated we should be aiming for certain players, some of those are.
Daley blind from Ajax, hes currently being chased by both manure and Barcelona for around £17.5mill, will he pick us over them?
Stefan de vrig who is said to be LVG'S first signing at manure, will he decide to join us instead?
I could go on. we just cannot compete with the European big boys for transfers, the champs league has seen to that, even spuds cant compete with them and they are in the Europa league! So we have to target players who we think we can get and they may be ones we haven't heard of before. I want us to get to the next level as much as the next person but I realise we cant compete with the spending power or draw of those 'boy's clubs. As soon as a player has a decent season the big boys take notice and are almost expected to take them away from their clubs.
J-Rod is another example of that, despite being out until October at the earliest, we are seeing the big teams and spuds considering a bid. The sun today reports that spuds are considering an £8mill bid for him! £8mill for J-Rod? The deceitful one is really taking the pee if thats true. I hope hes told where to shove it!
Some people who we moaning we haven't brought anyone for 8 days have stated we should be aiming for certain players, some of those are. Daley blind from Ajax, hes currently being chased by both manure and Barcelona for around £17.5mill, will he pick us over them? Stefan de vrig who is said to be LVG'S first signing at manure, will he decide to join us instead? I could go on. we just cannot compete with the European big boys for transfers, the champs league has seen to that, even spuds cant compete with them and they are in the Europa league! So we have to target players who we think we can get and they may be ones we haven't heard of before. I want us to get to the next level as much as the next person but I realise we cant compete with the spending power or draw of those 'boy's clubs. As soon as a player has a decent season the big boys take notice and are almost expected to take them away from their clubs. J-Rod is another example of that, despite being out until October at the earliest, we are seeing the big teams and spuds considering a bid. The sun today reports that spuds are considering an £8mill bid for him! £8mill for J-Rod? The deceitful one is really taking the pee if thats true. I hope hes told where to shove it! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 2

10:09am Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil



igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that.
Que heiligen.....
Loool yeah I've seen they think I'm you but I literally can't be bothered to even reply and give them what they want, they literally patrol this site 24/7.. There not the real Saints fans, if they had there way we'd have a team of championship players and anybody that disagreed would be forced to support liverpool. Vaedy must just be a rumour though, surely we'd never go for somebody that bad, I understand we can't attract great players now but I'd like too see some potential.
Horrible pair of c@nts
Horrible maybe but you are comparing them with an object that is useful.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that. Que heiligen.....[/p][/quote]Loool yeah I've seen they think I'm you but I literally can't be bothered to even reply and give them what they want, they literally patrol this site 24/7.. There not the real Saints fans, if they had there way we'd have a team of championship players and anybody that disagreed would be forced to support liverpool. Vaedy must just be a rumour though, surely we'd never go for somebody that bad, I understand we can't attract great players now but I'd like too see some potential.[/p][/quote]Horrible pair of c@nts[/p][/quote]Horrible maybe but you are comparing them with an object that is useful. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

10:10am Sun 20 Jul 14

slugger says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil



igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that.
Que heiligen.....
Loool yeah I've seen they think I'm you but I literally can't be bothered to even reply and give them what they want, they literally patrol this site 24/7.. There not the real Saints fans, if they had there way we'd have a team of championship players and anybody that disagreed would be forced to support liverpool. Vaedy must just be a rumour though, surely we'd never go for somebody that bad, I understand we can't attract great players now but I'd like too see some potential.
Horrible pair of c@nts
Aren't they just !
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that. Que heiligen.....[/p][/quote]Loool yeah I've seen they think I'm you but I literally can't be bothered to even reply and give them what they want, they literally patrol this site 24/7.. There not the real Saints fans, if they had there way we'd have a team of championship players and anybody that disagreed would be forced to support liverpool. Vaedy must just be a rumour though, surely we'd never go for somebody that bad, I understand we can't attract great players now but I'd like too see some potential.[/p][/quote]Horrible pair of c@nts[/p][/quote]Aren't they just ! slugger
  • Score: 1

10:13am Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

long memory wrote:
I really hope the report in the Daily Mirror Is not true, JR Is refusing to sign an extended contract.
Daily Mirror and true in the same sentence? Not sure about that statement, especially when it is about the Saints, they have never let the truth interfere with a good story.
[quote][p][bold]long memory[/bold] wrote: I really hope the report in the Daily Mirror Is not true, JR Is refusing to sign an extended contract.[/p][/quote]Daily Mirror and true in the same sentence? Not sure about that statement, especially when it is about the Saints, they have never let the truth interfere with a good story. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

10:16am Sun 20 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
long memory wrote:
I really hope the report in the Daily Mirror Is not true, JR Is refusing to sign an extended contract.
Daily Mirror and true in the same sentence? Not sure about that statement, especially when it is about the Saints, they have never let the truth interfere with a good story.
Yeah can't be believing those red tops. Even if true left wing is a position we could cover easy in Tadic, although I'd rather keep J Rod, he's been my fav player the last few years.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]long memory[/bold] wrote: I really hope the report in the Daily Mirror Is not true, JR Is refusing to sign an extended contract.[/p][/quote]Daily Mirror and true in the same sentence? Not sure about that statement, especially when it is about the Saints, they have never let the truth interfere with a good story.[/p][/quote]Yeah can't be believing those red tops. Even if true left wing is a position we could cover easy in Tadic, although I'd rather keep J Rod, he's been my fav player the last few years. Gormzzz
  • Score: 4

10:16am Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Believe it or not I have a life outside of the Saints, so am off out for the day, I will read your negative comments later, have a nice day.
Believe it or not I have a life outside of the Saints, so am off out for the day, I will read your negative comments later, have a nice day. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

10:19am Sun 20 Jul 14

BarnetSaint says...

We need to cut our losses with this waste of space.
I hope pooch buys another Osvaldo type character for spuds.
Now, the season is drawing nearer, wham and newky are buying well and at the mo both will finish comfortably above us.
Our hope is that RoKo identifies some decent players from Europe to come in and compliment our excellent youth.
Now is the time for Sam G, James Ward P and Chambers to step up.
COYS
We need to cut our losses with this waste of space. I hope pooch buys another Osvaldo type character for spuds. Now, the season is drawing nearer, wham and newky are buying well and at the mo both will finish comfortably above us. Our hope is that RoKo identifies some decent players from Europe to come in and compliment our excellent youth. Now is the time for Sam G, James Ward P and Chambers to step up. COYS BarnetSaint
  • Score: 3

10:19am Sun 20 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

Malcombe wrote:
Gormzzz

I resent your comment that you at 24 years old are more civilised than those over 50 I'm 71 and that OSPREYSAINT is a control freak or words to that affect, I was a Plumber & Heating Engineer and most of my 43 years in the business I worked in private homes and several times I had to show my maturity, only 4 times did I have confrontation and it wasn't through my disrespect it was people who undermined my skills and intelligence, sometimes I had to wait until I was in my Van to alone to scream out my honest feelings but you are not being mature and civilised with some of your comments in fact quite the opposite, I agree you are entitled to an opinion as I do many times on here and occasionally I get a little wound up if I get the thumbs down but I understand we don't all have the same thoughts and opinions, you are well aware that this year all the Supporters have endured the worst experience of demolition of the Clubs Asset's and pride ever and it touches a nerve with many, it's too early to judge the new Manager Ronald his Staff and the Players he bought and how well the Team will play, even friendlies are not a good guild the real time will be the first game in August and if you really are civilised and mature and I believe you want to be you need to be patient and not get irrate if when you have posted some disagree with your honesty that's life as you know you win some you lose some, don't let others ruffle your feathers, enjoy posting because we all love them and sometime beg to differ, all we want is the best for SFC the best Club in the Universe aren't they? well to me and you and thousands of others they are COYR ,
Love that, completely agree. Like I said I'm 24 thats why I bite back. Glad my opinions or valid even if people do think they're wrong, that's all i want, is a civilised conversation about what I've actually wrote.
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Gormzzz I resent your comment that you at 24 years old are more civilised than those over 50 I'm 71 and that OSPREYSAINT is a control freak or words to that affect, I was a Plumber & Heating Engineer and most of my 43 years in the business I worked in private homes and several times I had to show my maturity, only 4 times did I have confrontation and it wasn't through my disrespect it was people who undermined my skills and intelligence, sometimes I had to wait until I was in my Van to alone to scream out my honest feelings but you are not being mature and civilised with some of your comments in fact quite the opposite, I agree you are entitled to an opinion as I do many times on here and occasionally I get a little wound up if I get the thumbs down but I understand we don't all have the same thoughts and opinions, you are well aware that this year all the Supporters have endured the worst experience of demolition of the Clubs Asset's and pride ever and it touches a nerve with many, it's too early to judge the new Manager Ronald his Staff and the Players he bought and how well the Team will play, even friendlies are not a good guild the real time will be the first game in August and if you really are civilised and mature and I believe you want to be you need to be patient and not get irrate if when you have posted some disagree with your honesty that's life as you know you win some you lose some, don't let others ruffle your feathers, enjoy posting because we all love them and sometime beg to differ, all we want is the best for SFC the best Club in the Universe aren't they? well to me and you and thousands of others they are COYR ,[/p][/quote]Love that, completely agree. Like I said I'm 24 thats why I bite back. Glad my opinions or valid even if people do think they're wrong, that's all i want, is a civilised conversation about what I've actually wrote. Gormzzz
  • Score: 2

10:20am Sun 20 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Believe it or not I have a life outside of the Saints, so am off out for the day, I will read your negative comments later, have a nice day.
There you go again, I merely agreed with what you had to say and was actually quite positive in saying he could be replaced. Same old, same old. I'm off out myself as I am most of the time.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Believe it or not I have a life outside of the Saints, so am off out for the day, I will read your negative comments later, have a nice day.[/p][/quote]There you go again, I merely agreed with what you had to say and was actually quite positive in saying he could be replaced. Same old, same old. I'm off out myself as I am most of the time. Gormzzz
  • Score: 2

10:22am Sun 20 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Believe it or not I have a life outside of the Saints, so am off out for the day, I will read your negative comments later, have a nice day.
you only do it when you have a little group backing you up otherwise your silent. Have a good day on the town Les Reed.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Believe it or not I have a life outside of the Saints, so am off out for the day, I will read your negative comments later, have a nice day.[/p][/quote]you only do it when you have a little group backing you up otherwise your silent. Have a good day on the town Les Reed. Gormzzz
  • Score: 1

10:22am Sun 20 Jul 14

peregrine73 says...

Many fans are coming round to see that Saints are going to be in trouble in the new season.There is much uncertainty in the team,some of our best players still could go including jay rod.Replacements of the same standard will be reluctant to come to a club who are not communicating with the fans.Yes we can get replacements,but these will be stop gap players .The hope from the management will be that the youngsters will come through.
This will be a dangerous policy and a tricky one to maintain a premiership status. Our best hopes should be survival at the top flight,certainly any top ten finish is well out of reach with the existing squad, especially with more to go.Its a sad situation given last seasons success, but the current management team leaves a lot to be desired and there communication skills are very poor!
Many fans are coming round to see that Saints are going to be in trouble in the new season.There is much uncertainty in the team,some of our best players still could go including jay rod.Replacements of the same standard will be reluctant to come to a club who are not communicating with the fans.Yes we can get replacements,but these will be stop gap players .The hope from the management will be that the youngsters will come through. This will be a dangerous policy and a tricky one to maintain a premiership status. Our best hopes should be survival at the top flight,certainly any top ten finish is well out of reach with the existing squad, especially with more to go.Its a sad situation given last seasons success, but the current management team leaves a lot to be desired and there communication skills are very poor! peregrine73
  • Score: 6

10:25am Sun 20 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

peregrine73 wrote:
Many fans are coming round to see that Saints are going to be in trouble in the new season.There is much uncertainty in the team,some of our best players still could go including jay rod.Replacements of the same standard will be reluctant to come to a club who are not communicating with the fans.Yes we can get replacements,but these will be stop gap players .The hope from the management will be that the youngsters will come through.
This will be a dangerous policy and a tricky one to maintain a premiership status. Our best hopes should be survival at the top flight,certainly any top ten finish is well out of reach with the existing squad, especially with more to go.Its a sad situation given last seasons success, but the current management team leaves a lot to be desired and there communication skills are very poor!
Watch out mate, you'll be in big trouble on here for a lack of positivity. Unless your comments are positive they'll say there invalid and start abusing you over the internet.
[quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: Many fans are coming round to see that Saints are going to be in trouble in the new season.There is much uncertainty in the team,some of our best players still could go including jay rod.Replacements of the same standard will be reluctant to come to a club who are not communicating with the fans.Yes we can get replacements,but these will be stop gap players .The hope from the management will be that the youngsters will come through. This will be a dangerous policy and a tricky one to maintain a premiership status. Our best hopes should be survival at the top flight,certainly any top ten finish is well out of reach with the existing squad, especially with more to go.Its a sad situation given last seasons success, but the current management team leaves a lot to be desired and there communication skills are very poor![/p][/quote]Watch out mate, you'll be in big trouble on here for a lack of positivity. Unless your comments are positive they'll say there invalid and start abusing you over the internet. Gormzzz
  • Score: 3

10:39am Sun 20 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil




igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that.
Que heiligen.....
Loool yeah I've seen they think I'm you but I literally can't be bothered to even reply and give them what they want, they literally patrol this site 24/7.. There not the real Saints fans, if they had there way we'd have a team of championship players and anybody that disagreed would be forced to support liverpool. Vaedy must just be a rumour though, surely we'd never go for somebody that bad, I understand we can't attract great players now but I'd like too see some potential.
Horrible pair of c@nts
Horrible maybe but you are comparing them with an object that is useful.
Wash your mouth out Osprey! ;0)
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that. Que heiligen.....[/p][/quote]Loool yeah I've seen they think I'm you but I literally can't be bothered to even reply and give them what they want, they literally patrol this site 24/7.. There not the real Saints fans, if they had there way we'd have a team of championship players and anybody that disagreed would be forced to support liverpool. Vaedy must just be a rumour though, surely we'd never go for somebody that bad, I understand we can't attract great players now but I'd like too see some potential.[/p][/quote]Horrible pair of c@nts[/p][/quote]Horrible maybe but you are comparing them with an object that is useful.[/p][/quote]Wash your mouth out Osprey! ;0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

10:45am Sun 20 Jul 14

TPFKARTSNINZ says...

Gormzzz wrote:
peregrine73 wrote:
Many fans are coming round to see that Saints are going to be in trouble in the new season.There is much uncertainty in the team,some of our best players still could go including jay rod.Replacements of the same standard will be reluctant to come to a club who are not communicating with the fans.Yes we can get replacements,but these will be stop gap players .The hope from the management will be that the youngsters will come through.
This will be a dangerous policy and a tricky one to maintain a premiership status. Our best hopes should be survival at the top flight,certainly any top ten finish is well out of reach with the existing squad, especially with more to go.Its a sad situation given last seasons success, but the current management team leaves a lot to be desired and there communication skills are very poor!
Watch out mate, you'll be in big trouble on here for a lack of positivity. Unless your comments are positive they'll say there invalid and start abusing you over the internet.
Wrong, because he hasn't been abusive to anyone else. See, this is called debating, not insulting. You should try it sometime.
[quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: Many fans are coming round to see that Saints are going to be in trouble in the new season.There is much uncertainty in the team,some of our best players still could go including jay rod.Replacements of the same standard will be reluctant to come to a club who are not communicating with the fans.Yes we can get replacements,but these will be stop gap players .The hope from the management will be that the youngsters will come through. This will be a dangerous policy and a tricky one to maintain a premiership status. Our best hopes should be survival at the top flight,certainly any top ten finish is well out of reach with the existing squad, especially with more to go.Its a sad situation given last seasons success, but the current management team leaves a lot to be desired and there communication skills are very poor![/p][/quote]Watch out mate, you'll be in big trouble on here for a lack of positivity. Unless your comments are positive they'll say there invalid and start abusing you over the internet.[/p][/quote]Wrong, because he hasn't been abusive to anyone else. See, this is called debating, not insulting. You should try it sometime. TPFKARTSNINZ
  • Score: 3

10:49am Sun 20 Jul 14

bbb001 says...

Another Sunday, another Sunday redtop selling our players for us, how good of them, but do they really think J-Rod is only worth £8 million. You would think if you are going to make up a story you would at least make it as realistic as possible.

I for one am not to disappointed by the lack of information comming out the club concerning new signings, it would only allow Liverpool and spurs to hijack the deals as they seem incapable of scouting fo decent players themselves.
Another Sunday, another Sunday redtop selling our players for us, how good of them, but do they really think J-Rod is only worth £8 million. You would think if you are going to make up a story you would at least make it as realistic as possible. I for one am not to disappointed by the lack of information comming out the club concerning new signings, it would only allow Liverpool and spurs to hijack the deals as they seem incapable of scouting fo decent players themselves. bbb001
  • Score: 4

11:01am Sun 20 Jul 14

InsideOutCat says...

Gormzzz wrote:
TPFKARTSNINZ wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Received my season ticket and got quite excited to find a booklet in the pack, but then disappointed to find it was totally full of fans story's. OK, but nothing in it about anything else. We are starting a new season with a new board and new management team, so there should have been plenty of information about them all to relay to us.

It is the same with the first team at the moment, it is a nice pack (as good new management team) that is concealing nothing else (cos all players are leaving).

I accept that ignoring the revolving door of players that is about to speed up with at least 3 or 4 more departing shortly, was probably a correct decision not to highlight this.

We must have half a dozen young players breaking through next season to allow so many to leave. I can't think of a single first team player who has not been rumored to be wanting to leave this summer. That must be a first for any club, especially after having a really GOOD previous season !!
There must have been more going on behind the scene than we were informed of to totally dismantle a team that took 5 years to build and was ready to kick onto to another level.

Well whatever the reason, the Koeman Brothers can now build their own team, so lets forget this season as it is obviously going to be a rebuilding season that hopefully keeps us clear of the relegation zone, to hopefully come back stronger the following season or two.

The main problem is that we are selling very good players some quite young who have proved themselves in the Prem, however our record of buying good quality ones is only about 1 in 3.

Hopefully Saints don't waste the money on mediocre players who end up as cover, as that will take us even longer to come back. RonKo is only on a 3 year contract !!

Advice to those buying the new shirt, put your own name on the back as we don't know who will be "In that Number, when the Saints come matching in" by 2nd September !!

Supporting Saints is never a dull moment, so after 50 years with a season ticket, I don't know why I still get so emotional.

COYR&WS
I have also been a Saints fan for over 50 years - since November 1963. When I was 10, my father took me and my two brothers to Wembley to watch the home international between England and Northern Ireland. England won 8-3 and that was the first ever match that I went to. In that game there were 2 hat ricks. Jimmy Greaves got 4 and Terry Paine got 3. As my older brother supported Spurs, I decided to support Southampton. If you think strange transfer decisions are a feature of the modern game, read on! I saw my first game at The Dell in September 1965. We lived in London and my younger brother had just started supporting Wolves and as it was his birthday we had persuaded our father to take us to Saints v Wolves. It ended up 9-3 - Saint's best ever league result. Martin Chivers got 4 and Terry Paine got 2. Jimmy Melia did not score but got at least 6 assists! It took us to the top of the Division 2 table. Wolves goal keeper was Dave Maclaren and you'd think that letting in 9 against us would not inspire much transfer interest. We bought him the following summer (for around £10k, I think - a lot of money in those days. Nobody criticised our long-term manager, Ted Bates! We faded a little mid season. The next time I saw Saints was when my father took us to see the return match at Molineux the following March. Having got used to 8-3 and 9-3 scorelines, I was somewhat disappointed to see a 1-1 draw! It was enough to take Saints back into 2nd spot and next month we secured the runners-up spot to gain our 1st ever promotion to the top flight. I saw a few Division 1 games mostly when Saints played at Spurs or Arsenal. Although Terry Paine was always one of my favourites, when we signed Ron Davies he was always a joy to watch. 39 league goals (I think) in one season + cup goals - makes Suarez look ordinary! We went to another home international match - England v Wales. Wales were quickly 2-0 up, both goals were Ron Davies headers from corners - I still think he was the best header of the ball that I've ever seen. England won 3-2 and I went home happy - we won but my hero had scored twice! Moved up to Scotland and rarely got to see Saints much after that but I remain a passionate supporter. The transfer market has gone crazy in recent years - I was distraught when we sold Martin Chivers to Spurs for a world record fee of £125,000 in the late1960s. I have grown used to it over the years but it always hearts to see a good player leave. I am really impressed with RK and I am excited about our club's future. The youth academy is amazing and just gets better and better. I never like to judge anyone until they've had a chance to prove themselves. That goes for our new signings, youngsters breaking through (really impressed with Omar Rowe - one for the future), RK and his coaching team and all the board. I've only just started using this site (2 weeks ago) and like OspeySaint, I do not like all the negativity and impatience. Our club needs passionate supporters with a lot of emotion but also respect and understanding.
Good post 'nomorerumours'

I too was at that 9-3 game, we were 1-0 down at first !
I was also really upset when we sold Martin Chivers a local and England player for a Britisn Record fee, just as I was at loosing Shearer and Bale, now with Luke & Adam.

The difference then with selling Chivers was because the club needed the cash to strengthen the team, if you remember we bought Jimmy Gabriel & John MacGrath, plus we had an unknown young replacement in Mick Channon, so we became a better team.
As opposed to now, when we don't need the cash and had possibly the best 'young team' I have seen in a Saints shirt that has take 5 years to develop be sold off just as we all believed Saints could reach the only other time we competed at the top in the Keegan/Channon days.

It is this disappointment of the missed opportunity that we had for this season that makes me and many others get so upset, especially as there was no reason not to.

Loosing, not one but all three of our England WC players and with strong rumour's - not denied by the club - that we may still be selling at least 3 more of our best players, does feel like we are going backwards again.

However, for whatever the reason we have done that and hopefully reach the low point. Even if more of our star players leave we do have the opportunity to rebuild the team with the cash and more youngsters from the academy to get excited about.

We MUST NOT waste that cash on mediocre players as we have done recently, also we do need to get as many in asap as the current squad is looking very weak in most areas, especially up front.
I don't want us to miss the next opportunity of a good start to the season that we have been given with the first 12 games, because if we do not win most of these our season will be a very difficult one.

The board need to give RonKo the chance to rebuild the team without the pressure of a relegation battle.

It is this potentially 'missed opportunity' that many of us see happening, with so many new recruits needed and with time running out, yet no news on any top quality incoming players, only outgoing ones that is making many of us get impatient.

The club and new managers must know and have identified all the top players we need and we CAN afford them. Their lack of arrival is unsettling others, so no wonder we are becoming impatient.

I am looking forward to top quality arrivals but will be deeply disappointed if we waste the money by only bringing mediocre and older players in, hence missing yet another opportunity.

Being a Saints fans is like being on a roller coaster of ups & downs, many downs but also the occasional high, I thought I would be watching a 'high' this season but now hope that last season wasn't it.

I believe that the Koeman Brothers have come to take us on and up a level, so the Board need to get behind them, just as I will as always !

COYR&WS
Great post. Probably expresses what most Saints fans are thinking without having to resort to puerile, juvenile insults to make a point.

By the way, I have only been going to The Dell/SMS for 38 years, so I bow to your greater time of roller coaster riding!

COYR!
Say's the man who quoted and said 'get a room' looks like your the one with juvenile responses and not much else to say. 38 years of being a ****, if you had your way we'd be in league 2 with a crap team.
But you ARE in League 2 with a crap team, you poorly disguised flatfish.
[quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TPFKARTSNINZ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Received my season ticket and got quite excited to find a booklet in the pack, but then disappointed to find it was totally full of fans story's. OK, but nothing in it about anything else. We are starting a new season with a new board and new management team, so there should have been plenty of information about them all to relay to us. It is the same with the first team at the moment, it is a nice pack (as good new management team) that is concealing nothing else (cos all players are leaving). I accept that ignoring the revolving door of players that is about to speed up with at least 3 or 4 more departing shortly, was probably a correct decision not to highlight this. We must have half a dozen young players breaking through next season to allow so many to leave. I can't think of a single first team player who has not been rumored to be wanting to leave this summer. That must be a first for any club, especially after having a really GOOD previous season !! There must have been more going on behind the scene than we were informed of to totally dismantle a team that took 5 years to build and was ready to kick onto to another level. Well whatever the reason, the Koeman Brothers can now build their own team, so lets forget this season as it is obviously going to be a rebuilding season that hopefully keeps us clear of the relegation zone, to hopefully come back stronger the following season or two. The main problem is that we are selling very good players some quite young who have proved themselves in the Prem, however our record of buying good quality ones is only about 1 in 3. Hopefully Saints don't waste the money on mediocre players who end up as cover, as that will take us even longer to come back. RonKo is only on a 3 year contract !! Advice to those buying the new shirt, put your own name on the back as we don't know who will be "In that Number, when the Saints come matching in" by 2nd September !! Supporting Saints is never a dull moment, so after 50 years with a season ticket, I don't know why I still get so emotional. COYR&WS[/p][/quote]I have also been a Saints fan for over 50 years - since November 1963. When I was 10, my father took me and my two brothers to Wembley to watch the home international between England and Northern Ireland. England won 8-3 and that was the first ever match that I went to. In that game there were 2 hat ricks. Jimmy Greaves got 4 and Terry Paine got 3. As my older brother supported Spurs, I decided to support Southampton. If you think strange transfer decisions are a feature of the modern game, read on! I saw my first game at The Dell in September 1965. We lived in London and my younger brother had just started supporting Wolves and as it was his birthday we had persuaded our father to take us to Saints v Wolves. It ended up 9-3 - Saint's best ever league result. Martin Chivers got 4 and Terry Paine got 2. Jimmy Melia did not score but got at least 6 assists! It took us to the top of the Division 2 table. Wolves goal keeper was Dave Maclaren and you'd think that letting in 9 against us would not inspire much transfer interest. We bought him the following summer (for around £10k, I think - a lot of money in those days. Nobody criticised our long-term manager, Ted Bates! We faded a little mid season. The next time I saw Saints was when my father took us to see the return match at Molineux the following March. Having got used to 8-3 and 9-3 scorelines, I was somewhat disappointed to see a 1-1 draw! It was enough to take Saints back into 2nd spot and next month we secured the runners-up spot to gain our 1st ever promotion to the top flight. I saw a few Division 1 games mostly when Saints played at Spurs or Arsenal. Although Terry Paine was always one of my favourites, when we signed Ron Davies he was always a joy to watch. 39 league goals (I think) in one season + cup goals - makes Suarez look ordinary! We went to another home international match - England v Wales. Wales were quickly 2-0 up, both goals were Ron Davies headers from corners - I still think he was the best header of the ball that I've ever seen. England won 3-2 and I went home happy - we won but my hero had scored twice! Moved up to Scotland and rarely got to see Saints much after that but I remain a passionate supporter. The transfer market has gone crazy in recent years - I was distraught when we sold Martin Chivers to Spurs for a world record fee of £125,000 in the late1960s. I have grown used to it over the years but it always hearts to see a good player leave. I am really impressed with RK and I am excited about our club's future. The youth academy is amazing and just gets better and better. I never like to judge anyone until they've had a chance to prove themselves. That goes for our new signings, youngsters breaking through (really impressed with Omar Rowe - one for the future), RK and his coaching team and all the board. I've only just started using this site (2 weeks ago) and like OspeySaint, I do not like all the negativity and impatience. Our club needs passionate supporters with a lot of emotion but also respect and understanding.[/p][/quote]Good post 'nomorerumours' I too was at that 9-3 game, we were 1-0 down at first ! I was also really upset when we sold Martin Chivers a local and England player for a Britisn Record fee, just as I was at loosing Shearer and Bale, now with Luke & Adam. The difference then with selling Chivers was because the club needed the cash to strengthen the team, if you remember we bought Jimmy Gabriel & John MacGrath, plus we had an unknown young replacement in Mick Channon, so we became a better team. As opposed to now, when we don't need the cash and had possibly the best 'young team' I have seen in a Saints shirt that has take 5 years to develop be sold off just as we all believed Saints could reach the only other time we competed at the top in the Keegan/Channon days. It is this disappointment of the missed opportunity that we had for this season that makes me and many others get so upset, especially as there was no reason not to. Loosing, not one but all three of our England WC players and with strong rumour's - not denied by the club - that we may still be selling at least 3 more of our best players, does feel like we are going backwards again. However, for whatever the reason we have done that and hopefully reach the low point. Even if more of our star players leave we do have the opportunity to rebuild the team with the cash and more youngsters from the academy to get excited about. We MUST NOT waste that cash on mediocre players as we have done recently, also we do need to get as many in asap as the current squad is looking very weak in most areas, especially up front. I don't want us to miss the next opportunity of a good start to the season that we have been given with the first 12 games, because if we do not win most of these our season will be a very difficult one. The board need to give RonKo the chance to rebuild the team without the pressure of a relegation battle. It is this potentially 'missed opportunity' that many of us see happening, with so many new recruits needed and with time running out, yet no news on any top quality incoming players, only outgoing ones that is making many of us get impatient. The club and new managers must know and have identified all the top players we need and we CAN afford them. Their lack of arrival is unsettling others, so no wonder we are becoming impatient. I am looking forward to top quality arrivals but will be deeply disappointed if we waste the money by only bringing mediocre and older players in, hence missing yet another opportunity. Being a Saints fans is like being on a roller coaster of ups & downs, many downs but also the occasional high, I thought I would be watching a 'high' this season but now hope that last season wasn't it. I believe that the Koeman Brothers have come to take us on and up a level, so the Board need to get behind them, just as I will as always ! COYR&WS[/p][/quote]Great post. Probably expresses what most Saints fans are thinking without having to resort to puerile, juvenile insults to make a point. By the way, I have only been going to The Dell/SMS for 38 years, so I bow to your greater time of roller coaster riding! COYR![/p][/quote]Say's the man who quoted and said 'get a room' looks like your the one with juvenile responses and not much else to say. 38 years of being a ****, if you had your way we'd be in league 2 with a crap team.[/p][/quote]But you ARE in League 2 with a crap team, you poorly disguised flatfish. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 0

11:06am Sun 20 Jul 14

george chivers says...

peregrine73 wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
NC Fan4Life,

You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches.

Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt.

Up the Saints!!!
Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon!
Oh Happy Day! Oh Happy Day!

Tell me how disappointed are you going to feel when your prediction doesn't come true?
[quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ?[/p][/quote]NC Fan4Life, You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches. Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon![/p][/quote]Oh Happy Day! Oh Happy Day! Tell me how disappointed are you going to feel when your prediction doesn't come true? george chivers
  • Score: -5

11:13am Sun 20 Jul 14

milton road says...

J Rod is in contract talks for extension of contract he has two years to run. The club said this would take sometime to sort. Obviously the initial approach is gong to be turned down. It doesn't need a rocket scientist to work that one out. Same as with any player. J Rod is valued around 26 mil the same sort of money as Lakaku. Similar goal returns and in many ways similar players. Saints have to understand if they want top ten football they have to pay top ten wages. We were in the bottom five for wage bill last season, the players know what they are worth now. Hence if they do not get it they will go somewhere where they can.

Not sure why so many take the bait of the pompey few on here.

The wheels have not fallen off the bus cos we have not signed someone for a week. One must say though the statement that we have loads of players scouted and lined up seems very dubious, unless of course Koeman wnats to sign players he has chosen.
J Rod is in contract talks for extension of contract he has two years to run. The club said this would take sometime to sort. Obviously the initial approach is gong to be turned down. It doesn't need a rocket scientist to work that one out. Same as with any player. J Rod is valued around 26 mil the same sort of money as Lakaku. Similar goal returns and in many ways similar players. Saints have to understand if they want top ten football they have to pay top ten wages. We were in the bottom five for wage bill last season, the players know what they are worth now. Hence if they do not get it they will go somewhere where they can. Not sure why so many take the bait of the pompey few on here. The wheels have not fallen off the bus cos we have not signed someone for a week. One must say though the statement that we have loads of players scouted and lined up seems very dubious, unless of course Koeman wnats to sign players he has chosen. milton road
  • Score: 0

11:21am Sun 20 Jul 14

peregrine73 says...

george chivers wrote:
peregrine73 wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
NC Fan4Life,

You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches.

Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt.

Up the Saints!!!
Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon!
Oh Happy Day! Oh Happy Day!

Tell me how disappointed are you going to feel when your prediction doesn't come true?
I won't be disappointed, I will be delighted!!.However we can't turn away from the facts:We havnt improved our squad,on the contrary we have weaken the squad,and with more possible departures its not going the get better!
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ?[/p][/quote]NC Fan4Life, You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches. Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon![/p][/quote]Oh Happy Day! Oh Happy Day! Tell me how disappointed are you going to feel when your prediction doesn't come true?[/p][/quote]I won't be disappointed, I will be delighted!!.However we can't turn away from the facts:We havnt improved our squad,on the contrary we have weaken the squad,and with more possible departures its not going the get better! peregrine73
  • Score: 1

11:27am Sun 20 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil



igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that.
Que heiligen.....
Loool yeah I've seen they think I'm you but I literally can't be bothered to even reply and give them what they want, they literally patrol this site 24/7.. There not the real Saints fans, if they had there way we'd have a team of championship players and anybody that disagreed would be forced to support liverpool. Vaedy must just be a rumour though, surely we'd never go for somebody that bad, I understand we can't attract great players now but I'd like too see some potential.
Horrible pair of c@nts
Sorry comment officer I didn't realise this was you and your sad mates site.please don't get Ospreysaint or the slug on me.please I will be positive from now on.i will say things like" hope he gets us playing like the Dutch" "hope he can bring over some of those Dutch defenders"
"Wow we signed pelle" "koemans orange revolution""Coyr" " the futures bright,the futures orange"
As I have said before people can be so brave sitting on a keyboard in a bedsit in portswood.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that. Que heiligen.....[/p][/quote]Loool yeah I've seen they think I'm you but I literally can't be bothered to even reply and give them what they want, they literally patrol this site 24/7.. There not the real Saints fans, if they had there way we'd have a team of championship players and anybody that disagreed would be forced to support liverpool. Vaedy must just be a rumour though, surely we'd never go for somebody that bad, I understand we can't attract great players now but I'd like too see some potential.[/p][/quote]Horrible pair of c@nts[/p][/quote]Sorry comment officer I didn't realise this was you and your sad mates site.please don't get Ospreysaint or the slug on me.please I will be positive from now on.i will say things like" hope he gets us playing like the Dutch" "hope he can bring over some of those Dutch defenders" "Wow we signed pelle" "koemans orange revolution""Coyr" " the futures bright,the futures orange" As I have said before people can be so brave sitting on a keyboard in a bedsit in portswood. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 33

12:17pm Sun 20 Jul 14

slugger says...

Sammy2sheds alias Gormless tries to dominate these threads spreading his poison calling real supporters "happy clappers" (where have we heard that before?) . He pours scorn on any positivity ....... would a true Saint do that ? ......... I thought not......COYR !
Sammy2sheds alias Gormless tries to dominate these threads spreading his poison calling real supporters "happy clappers" (where have we heard that before?) . He pours scorn on any positivity ....... would a true Saint do that ? ......... I thought not......COYR ! slugger
  • Score: -2

12:58pm Sun 20 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
peregrine73 wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
NC Fan4Life,

You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches.

Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt.

Up the Saints!!!
Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon!
peregrine73,

Your opinion is flawed for two very obvious reasons. I believe I read that money from player sales has not gone to Katharina, but has been made available for player purchases. There is also the little matter of Saints having recently brought Ronald Koeman to the club. He is the highest profile manager in the history of Saints.

You are right that it is time to realise something. It is time to realise that the signing of Ronald Koeman as manager should be more than sufficient proof to the doom mongers that Southampton FC is an ambitious club that is being run within its means.

Do you believe that Katharina is stupid? I don't. Only a fool would dismantle the club, thus definitely decreasing its value. As always, Southampton FC's business is conducted in private, with the sole aim of benefitting the club. Remarkable progress has been made by Saints for five seasons. Much is being done at St. Marys to continue that progress. Players are always bought or sold at this time of year. Transfers out do not mean that the club is being dismantled, but as you think that is the case, I would be interested in your opinion on why Saints now have such a high profile manager and have already started buying in players, with Ron's approval. Any more player arrivals or departures that happen will obviously be with Ron's full knowledge and with the aim of improving the squad.

I am optimistic about next season. I leave all the worrying to the doom monger neggie veggies!!!
How is appointing koeman proof we are ambitious ????

Koeman was a high profile player , but has a very poor record as a manager . This is his 8th job in 14 years , he has never lasted very long anywhere ...is NOT highly regarded as a manager ....and NO top clubs were chasing him

Its not proof at all . Some might suggest the opposite
peregrine73,

For your information, Ronald Koeman has three times been a title winning manager with Dutch football clubs and also managed cup winning teams in the Netherlands and Spain. Three titles annd two cups as a club manager since the year 2000 is actually a very good record. Your assessment that Ron's record as a manager is very poor is therefore fatally flawed. There are none so blind as those who will not see. I suggest you read about Ron's managerial honours on Wikipedia.

Even the most successful club managers tend to manage several clubs in their careers and Ronald Koeman is no exception. These days it is a fact of football manager life.

Ron has actually managed top European clubs. He has said that he is at Southampton FC to help the development of the club. Ron is a very well respected club manager and his CV proves that he has earned that respect.

The facts in Ron's career as a club manager completely defeat your baseless, entirely negative opinion.

By the way, as a player, Ron was apparently the highest scoring defender in world football. Perhaps he will improve the goal scoring of our defenders.

I am just a Saints fan. I query what you are!!!
Apologies to peregrine73, as my post was in reply to the post from jasons odd!

jasons odd,

I still do not understand how you can possibly reason that Ronald Koeman has a very poor record as a manager. Ron has managed teams that have won THREE league titles and TWO cups at three different, well known clubs. If Ron's record as a manager is as poor as you think, what level of success would you reckon is a good managerial record?
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ?[/p][/quote]NC Fan4Life, You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches. Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon![/p][/quote]peregrine73, Your opinion is flawed for two very obvious reasons. I believe I read that money from player sales has not gone to Katharina, but has been made available for player purchases. There is also the little matter of Saints having recently brought Ronald Koeman to the club. He is the highest profile manager in the history of Saints. You are right that it is time to realise something. It is time to realise that the signing of Ronald Koeman as manager should be more than sufficient proof to the doom mongers that Southampton FC is an ambitious club that is being run within its means. Do you believe that Katharina is stupid? I don't. Only a fool would dismantle the club, thus definitely decreasing its value. As always, Southampton FC's business is conducted in private, with the sole aim of benefitting the club. Remarkable progress has been made by Saints for five seasons. Much is being done at St. Marys to continue that progress. Players are always bought or sold at this time of year. Transfers out do not mean that the club is being dismantled, but as you think that is the case, I would be interested in your opinion on why Saints now have such a high profile manager and have already started buying in players, with Ron's approval. Any more player arrivals or departures that happen will obviously be with Ron's full knowledge and with the aim of improving the squad. I am optimistic about next season. I leave all the worrying to the doom monger neggie veggies!!![/p][/quote]How is appointing koeman proof we are ambitious ???? Koeman was a high profile player , but has a very poor record as a manager . This is his 8th job in 14 years , he has never lasted very long anywhere ...is NOT highly regarded as a manager ....and NO top clubs were chasing him Its not proof at all . Some might suggest the opposite[/p][/quote]peregrine73, For your information, Ronald Koeman has three times been a title winning manager with Dutch football clubs and also managed cup winning teams in the Netherlands and Spain. Three titles annd two cups as a club manager since the year 2000 is actually a very good record. Your assessment that Ron's record as a manager is very poor is therefore fatally flawed. There are none so blind as those who will not see. I suggest you read about Ron's managerial honours on Wikipedia. Even the most successful club managers tend to manage several clubs in their careers and Ronald Koeman is no exception. These days it is a fact of football manager life. Ron has actually managed top European clubs. He has said that he is at Southampton FC to help the development of the club. Ron is a very well respected club manager and his CV proves that he has earned that respect. The facts in Ron's career as a club manager completely defeat your baseless, entirely negative opinion. By the way, as a player, Ron was apparently the highest scoring defender in world football. Perhaps he will improve the goal scoring of our defenders. I am just a Saints fan. I query what you are!!![/p][/quote]Apologies to peregrine73, as my post was in reply to the post from jasons odd! jasons odd, I still do not understand how you can possibly reason that Ronald Koeman has a very poor record as a manager. Ron has managed teams that have won THREE league titles and TWO cups at three different, well known clubs. If Ron's record as a manager is as poor as you think, what level of success would you reckon is a good managerial record? justaSaintsfan
  • Score: -2

1:02pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

peregrine73 wrote:
Many fans are coming round to see that Saints are going to be in trouble in the new season.There is much uncertainty in the team,some of our best players still could go including jay rod.Replacements of the same standard will be reluctant to come to a club who are not communicating with the fans.Yes we can get replacements,but these will be stop gap players .The hope from the management will be that the youngsters will come through.
This will be a dangerous policy and a tricky one to maintain a premiership status. Our best hopes should be survival at the top flight,certainly any top ten finish is well out of reach with the existing squad, especially with more to go.Its a sad situation given last seasons success, but the current management team leaves a lot to be desired and there communication skills are very poor!
I don't think everything is going to be as bad as you think Peregrine,in Ron Manager I trust!
Inferior opposition or not,he seems to be able to cobble together a winning formation from what he has,and I'm confident this will continue next season.
What I don't understand though,is why such a golden chance for improvement,appears to have been allowed to slide.
Before I retired,I was self employed,working on my own,but I reached that point when I had to either take the leap of faith and invest,expand,take on staff and get bigger,or carry on as I was and just keep ticking over.This is the point that the club seemed to have reached at the end of last season,but for some inexplicable reason,with the chance of even greater success just a few minor adjustments away,someone appears to have decided,not to take the leap of faith,but to just keep ticking over instead.
It all just seems like such a lost opportunity,but I still feel confident that we are looking forward to a far better season, than many are predicting.
[quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: Many fans are coming round to see that Saints are going to be in trouble in the new season.There is much uncertainty in the team,some of our best players still could go including jay rod.Replacements of the same standard will be reluctant to come to a club who are not communicating with the fans.Yes we can get replacements,but these will be stop gap players .The hope from the management will be that the youngsters will come through. This will be a dangerous policy and a tricky one to maintain a premiership status. Our best hopes should be survival at the top flight,certainly any top ten finish is well out of reach with the existing squad, especially with more to go.Its a sad situation given last seasons success, but the current management team leaves a lot to be desired and there communication skills are very poor![/p][/quote]I don't think everything is going to be as bad as you think Peregrine,in Ron Manager I trust! Inferior opposition or not,he seems to be able to cobble together a winning formation from what he has,and I'm confident this will continue next season. What I don't understand though,is why such a golden chance for improvement,appears to have been allowed to slide. Before I retired,I was self employed,working on my own,but I reached that point when I had to either take the leap of faith and invest,expand,take on staff and get bigger,or carry on as I was and just keep ticking over.This is the point that the club seemed to have reached at the end of last season,but for some inexplicable reason,with the chance of even greater success just a few minor adjustments away,someone appears to have decided,not to take the leap of faith,but to just keep ticking over instead. It all just seems like such a lost opportunity,but I still feel confident that we are looking forward to a far better season, than many are predicting. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

1:04pm Sun 20 Jul 14

bbb001 says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
peregrine73 wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
NC Fan4Life,

You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches.

Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt.

Up the Saints!!!
Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon!
peregrine73,

Your opinion is flawed for two very obvious reasons. I believe I read that money from player sales has not gone to Katharina, but has been made available for player purchases. There is also the little matter of Saints having recently brought Ronald Koeman to the club. He is the highest profile manager in the history of Saints.

You are right that it is time to realise something. It is time to realise that the signing of Ronald Koeman as manager should be more than sufficient proof to the doom mongers that Southampton FC is an ambitious club that is being run within its means.

Do you believe that Katharina is stupid? I don't. Only a fool would dismantle the club, thus definitely decreasing its value. As always, Southampton FC's business is conducted in private, with the sole aim of benefitting the club. Remarkable progress has been made by Saints for five seasons. Much is being done at St. Marys to continue that progress. Players are always bought or sold at this time of year. Transfers out do not mean that the club is being dismantled, but as you think that is the case, I would be interested in your opinion on why Saints now have such a high profile manager and have already started buying in players, with Ron's approval. Any more player arrivals or departures that happen will obviously be with Ron's full knowledge and with the aim of improving the squad.

I am optimistic about next season. I leave all the worrying to the doom monger neggie veggies!!!
How is appointing koeman proof we are ambitious ????

Koeman was a high profile player , but has a very poor record as a manager . This is his 8th job in 14 years , he has never lasted very long anywhere ...is NOT highly regarded as a manager ....and NO top clubs were chasing him

Its not proof at all . Some might suggest the opposite
peregrine73,

For your information, Ronald Koeman has three times been a title winning manager with Dutch football clubs and also managed cup winning teams in the Netherlands and Spain. Three titles annd two cups as a club manager since the year 2000 is actually a very good record. Your assessment that Ron's record as a manager is very poor is therefore fatally flawed. There are none so blind as those who will not see. I suggest you read about Ron's managerial honours on Wikipedia.

Even the most successful club managers tend to manage several clubs in their careers and Ronald Koeman is no exception. These days it is a fact of football manager life.

Ron has actually managed top European clubs. He has said that he is at Southampton FC to help the development of the club. Ron is a very well respected club manager and his CV proves that he has earned that respect.

The facts in Ron's career as a club manager completely defeat your baseless, entirely negative opinion.

By the way, as a player, Ron was apparently the highest scoring defender in world football. Perhaps he will improve the goal scoring of our defenders.

I am just a Saints fan. I query what you are!!!
Apologies to peregrine73, as my post was in reply to the post from jasons odd!

jasons odd,

I still do not understand how you can possibly reason that Ronald Koeman has a very poor record as a manager. Ron has managed teams that have won THREE league titles and TWO cups at three different, well known clubs. If Ron's record as a manager is as poor as you think, what level of success would you reckon is a good managerial record?
It could be worse, we could support Newcastle and their squad of French journeymen.
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ?[/p][/quote]NC Fan4Life, You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches. Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon![/p][/quote]peregrine73, Your opinion is flawed for two very obvious reasons. I believe I read that money from player sales has not gone to Katharina, but has been made available for player purchases. There is also the little matter of Saints having recently brought Ronald Koeman to the club. He is the highest profile manager in the history of Saints. You are right that it is time to realise something. It is time to realise that the signing of Ronald Koeman as manager should be more than sufficient proof to the doom mongers that Southampton FC is an ambitious club that is being run within its means. Do you believe that Katharina is stupid? I don't. Only a fool would dismantle the club, thus definitely decreasing its value. As always, Southampton FC's business is conducted in private, with the sole aim of benefitting the club. Remarkable progress has been made by Saints for five seasons. Much is being done at St. Marys to continue that progress. Players are always bought or sold at this time of year. Transfers out do not mean that the club is being dismantled, but as you think that is the case, I would be interested in your opinion on why Saints now have such a high profile manager and have already started buying in players, with Ron's approval. Any more player arrivals or departures that happen will obviously be with Ron's full knowledge and with the aim of improving the squad. I am optimistic about next season. I leave all the worrying to the doom monger neggie veggies!!![/p][/quote]How is appointing koeman proof we are ambitious ???? Koeman was a high profile player , but has a very poor record as a manager . This is his 8th job in 14 years , he has never lasted very long anywhere ...is NOT highly regarded as a manager ....and NO top clubs were chasing him Its not proof at all . Some might suggest the opposite[/p][/quote]peregrine73, For your information, Ronald Koeman has three times been a title winning manager with Dutch football clubs and also managed cup winning teams in the Netherlands and Spain. Three titles annd two cups as a club manager since the year 2000 is actually a very good record. Your assessment that Ron's record as a manager is very poor is therefore fatally flawed. There are none so blind as those who will not see. I suggest you read about Ron's managerial honours on Wikipedia. Even the most successful club managers tend to manage several clubs in their careers and Ronald Koeman is no exception. These days it is a fact of football manager life. Ron has actually managed top European clubs. He has said that he is at Southampton FC to help the development of the club. Ron is a very well respected club manager and his CV proves that he has earned that respect. The facts in Ron's career as a club manager completely defeat your baseless, entirely negative opinion. By the way, as a player, Ron was apparently the highest scoring defender in world football. Perhaps he will improve the goal scoring of our defenders. I am just a Saints fan. I query what you are!!![/p][/quote]Apologies to peregrine73, as my post was in reply to the post from jasons odd! jasons odd, I still do not understand how you can possibly reason that Ronald Koeman has a very poor record as a manager. Ron has managed teams that have won THREE league titles and TWO cups at three different, well known clubs. If Ron's record as a manager is as poor as you think, what level of success would you reckon is a good managerial record?[/p][/quote]It could be worse, we could support Newcastle and their squad of French journeymen. bbb001
  • Score: 5

1:05pm Sun 20 Jul 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

milton road wrote:
J Rod is in contract talks for extension of contract he has two years to run. The club said this would take sometime to sort. Obviously the initial approach is gong to be turned down. It doesn't need a rocket scientist to work that one out. Same as with any player. J Rod is valued around 26 mil the same sort of money as Lakaku. Similar goal returns and in many ways similar players. Saints have to understand if they want top ten football they have to pay top ten wages. We were in the bottom five for wage bill last season, the players know what they are worth now. Hence if they do not get it they will go somewhere where they can.

Not sure why so many take the bait of the pompey few on here.

The wheels have not fallen off the bus cos we have not signed someone for a week. One must say though the statement that we have loads of players scouted and lined up seems very dubious, unless of course Koeman wnats to sign players he has chosen.
Correct me if i'm wrong but.... We are a top ten club, infact we're two better, we're in the top 8. So seems to me we're already paying decent wages to our top players.

Also these scouts brought in Jay Rod and all our other stars etc so I say, crack on!
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: J Rod is in contract talks for extension of contract he has two years to run. The club said this would take sometime to sort. Obviously the initial approach is gong to be turned down. It doesn't need a rocket scientist to work that one out. Same as with any player. J Rod is valued around 26 mil the same sort of money as Lakaku. Similar goal returns and in many ways similar players. Saints have to understand if they want top ten football they have to pay top ten wages. We were in the bottom five for wage bill last season, the players know what they are worth now. Hence if they do not get it they will go somewhere where they can. Not sure why so many take the bait of the pompey few on here. The wheels have not fallen off the bus cos we have not signed someone for a week. One must say though the statement that we have loads of players scouted and lined up seems very dubious, unless of course Koeman wnats to sign players he has chosen.[/p][/quote]Correct me if i'm wrong but.... We are a top ten club, infact we're two better, we're in the top 8. So seems to me we're already paying decent wages to our top players. Also these scouts brought in Jay Rod and all our other stars etc so I say, crack on! SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 7

1:07pm Sun 20 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

slugger wrote:
Sammy2sheds alias Gormless tries to dominate these threads spreading his poison calling real supporters "happy clappers" (where have we heard that before?) . He pours scorn on any positivity ....... would a true Saint do that ? ......... I thought not......COYR !
slugger,

What is so bad about real Saints fans being described as happy clappers anyway?

The unfortunate alternative is being a neggie veggie!

I know which I prefer!!! Lol!
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: Sammy2sheds alias Gormless tries to dominate these threads spreading his poison calling real supporters "happy clappers" (where have we heard that before?) . He pours scorn on any positivity ....... would a true Saint do that ? ......... I thought not......COYR ![/p][/quote]slugger, What is so bad about real Saints fans being described as happy clappers anyway? The unfortunate alternative is being a neggie veggie! I know which I prefer!!! Lol! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: -6

1:19pm Sun 20 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

bbb001 wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
peregrine73 wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
NC Fan4Life,

You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches.

Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt.

Up the Saints!!!
Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon!
peregrine73,

Your opinion is flawed for two very obvious reasons. I believe I read that money from player sales has not gone to Katharina, but has been made available for player purchases. There is also the little matter of Saints having recently brought Ronald Koeman to the club. He is the highest profile manager in the history of Saints.

You are right that it is time to realise something. It is time to realise that the signing of Ronald Koeman as manager should be more than sufficient proof to the doom mongers that Southampton FC is an ambitious club that is being run within its means.

Do you believe that Katharina is stupid? I don't. Only a fool would dismantle the club, thus definitely decreasing its value. As always, Southampton FC's business is conducted in private, with the sole aim of benefitting the club. Remarkable progress has been made by Saints for five seasons. Much is being done at St. Marys to continue that progress. Players are always bought or sold at this time of year. Transfers out do not mean that the club is being dismantled, but as you think that is the case, I would be interested in your opinion on why Saints now have such a high profile manager and have already started buying in players, with Ron's approval. Any more player arrivals or departures that happen will obviously be with Ron's full knowledge and with the aim of improving the squad.

I am optimistic about next season. I leave all the worrying to the doom monger neggie veggies!!!
How is appointing koeman proof we are ambitious ????

Koeman was a high profile player , but has a very poor record as a manager . This is his 8th job in 14 years , he has never lasted very long anywhere ...is NOT highly regarded as a manager ....and NO top clubs were chasing him

Its not proof at all . Some might suggest the opposite
peregrine73,

For your information, Ronald Koeman has three times been a title winning manager with Dutch football clubs and also managed cup winning teams in the Netherlands and Spain. Three titles annd two cups as a club manager since the year 2000 is actually a very good record. Your assessment that Ron's record as a manager is very poor is therefore fatally flawed. There are none so blind as those who will not see. I suggest you read about Ron's managerial honours on Wikipedia.

Even the most successful club managers tend to manage several clubs in their careers and Ronald Koeman is no exception. These days it is a fact of football manager life.

Ron has actually managed top European clubs. He has said that he is at Southampton FC to help the development of the club. Ron is a very well respected club manager and his CV proves that he has earned that respect.

The facts in Ron's career as a club manager completely defeat your baseless, entirely negative opinion.

By the way, as a player, Ron was apparently the highest scoring defender in world football. Perhaps he will improve the goal scoring of our defenders.

I am just a Saints fan. I query what you are!!!
Apologies to peregrine73, as my post was in reply to the post from jasons odd!

jasons odd,

I still do not understand how you can possibly reason that Ronald Koeman has a very poor record as a manager. Ron has managed teams that have won THREE league titles and TWO cups at three different, well known clubs. If Ron's record as a manager is as poor as you think, what level of success would you reckon is a good managerial record?
It could be worse, we could support Newcastle and their squad of French journeymen.
bbb001,

That would still be better than supporting the usual buyers of Saints players and managers, such as Tottonhampton Hotspur (sorry Totton) or Arsenehampton. It makes a change for Liverhampton to buy so many of our players!
[quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ?[/p][/quote]NC Fan4Life, You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches. Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon![/p][/quote]peregrine73, Your opinion is flawed for two very obvious reasons. I believe I read that money from player sales has not gone to Katharina, but has been made available for player purchases. There is also the little matter of Saints having recently brought Ronald Koeman to the club. He is the highest profile manager in the history of Saints. You are right that it is time to realise something. It is time to realise that the signing of Ronald Koeman as manager should be more than sufficient proof to the doom mongers that Southampton FC is an ambitious club that is being run within its means. Do you believe that Katharina is stupid? I don't. Only a fool would dismantle the club, thus definitely decreasing its value. As always, Southampton FC's business is conducted in private, with the sole aim of benefitting the club. Remarkable progress has been made by Saints for five seasons. Much is being done at St. Marys to continue that progress. Players are always bought or sold at this time of year. Transfers out do not mean that the club is being dismantled, but as you think that is the case, I would be interested in your opinion on why Saints now have such a high profile manager and have already started buying in players, with Ron's approval. Any more player arrivals or departures that happen will obviously be with Ron's full knowledge and with the aim of improving the squad. I am optimistic about next season. I leave all the worrying to the doom monger neggie veggies!!![/p][/quote]How is appointing koeman proof we are ambitious ???? Koeman was a high profile player , but has a very poor record as a manager . This is his 8th job in 14 years , he has never lasted very long anywhere ...is NOT highly regarded as a manager ....and NO top clubs were chasing him Its not proof at all . Some might suggest the opposite[/p][/quote]peregrine73, For your information, Ronald Koeman has three times been a title winning manager with Dutch football clubs and also managed cup winning teams in the Netherlands and Spain. Three titles annd two cups as a club manager since the year 2000 is actually a very good record. Your assessment that Ron's record as a manager is very poor is therefore fatally flawed. There are none so blind as those who will not see. I suggest you read about Ron's managerial honours on Wikipedia. Even the most successful club managers tend to manage several clubs in their careers and Ronald Koeman is no exception. These days it is a fact of football manager life. Ron has actually managed top European clubs. He has said that he is at Southampton FC to help the development of the club. Ron is a very well respected club manager and his CV proves that he has earned that respect. The facts in Ron's career as a club manager completely defeat your baseless, entirely negative opinion. By the way, as a player, Ron was apparently the highest scoring defender in world football. Perhaps he will improve the goal scoring of our defenders. I am just a Saints fan. I query what you are!!![/p][/quote]Apologies to peregrine73, as my post was in reply to the post from jasons odd! jasons odd, I still do not understand how you can possibly reason that Ronald Koeman has a very poor record as a manager. Ron has managed teams that have won THREE league titles and TWO cups at three different, well known clubs. If Ron's record as a manager is as poor as you think, what level of success would you reckon is a good managerial record?[/p][/quote]It could be worse, we could support Newcastle and their squad of French journeymen.[/p][/quote]bbb001, That would still be better than supporting the usual buyers of Saints players and managers, such as Tottonhampton Hotspur (sorry Totton) or Arsenehampton. It makes a change for Liverhampton to buy so many of our players! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 0

1:20pm Sun 20 Jul 14

dadofmy3sons says...

"As I have said before people can be so brave sitting on a keyboard in a bedsit in portswood."
yes you have been.
Negativity is easy.
Supporting the Saints is something that we are born to.
I have been supporting them since 1971, not as long as some, longer than others.
I have seen us plummet and rise again.
The coming season is going to be difficult and I don't think anyone denies that.
Some of the comments you two fools have made are nothing whatsoever to do with football, let alone Saints.
I do not believe many of your claims, I think that you two are not much more than WindUpMerchants.
That is my opinion, not one that I have been forced into making by any other poster on here, but purely from your peurile stance regarding anyone who dares ask you a serious question regarding your stance in supporting MY team and club.

Support the Saints
something you two don't do!
"As I have said before people can be so brave sitting on a keyboard in a bedsit in portswood." yes you have been. Negativity is easy. Supporting the Saints is something that we are born to. I have been supporting them since 1971, not as long as some, longer than others. I have seen us plummet and rise again. The coming season is going to be difficult and I don't think anyone denies that. Some of the comments you two fools have made are nothing whatsoever to do with football, let alone Saints. I do not believe many of your claims, I think that you two are not much more than WindUpMerchants. That is my opinion, not one that I have been forced into making by any other poster on here, but purely from your peurile stance regarding anyone who dares ask you a serious question regarding your stance in supporting MY team and club. Support the Saints something you two don't do! dadofmy3sons
  • Score: 0

1:50pm Sun 20 Jul 14

george chivers says...

peregrine73 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
peregrine73 wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
NC Fan4Life,

You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches.

Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt.

Up the Saints!!!
Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon!
Oh Happy Day! Oh Happy Day!

Tell me how disappointed are you going to feel when your prediction doesn't come true?
I won't be disappointed, I will be delighted!!.However we can't turn away from the facts:We havnt improved our squad,on the contrary we have weaken the squad,and with more possible departures its not going the get better!
What about the possibility of some more arrivals? How can you say it is a weakened squad until it has played some games? And if we don't maintain 8th position next season, so what. Clubs of our size and stature sometimes have to go back a little to establish a base to go forward.

You may recall we were in League 1 not too long ago. By the way, the transfer deadline ends on September the first. Plenty of time to get some more players in and beef up the squad.

Just because we lose three English players who were high achievers, and that of course is the reason they left, doesn't mean we can't bring in some relatively unknown European players who will prove to be good and gel with the rest of the squad and make a team which will over achieve within a couple of seasons.

Step back from the edge of the abyss and look at the blue sky above you. It's more compelling than the pit in front of your feet.
[quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ?[/p][/quote]NC Fan4Life, You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches. Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon![/p][/quote]Oh Happy Day! Oh Happy Day! Tell me how disappointed are you going to feel when your prediction doesn't come true?[/p][/quote]I won't be disappointed, I will be delighted!!.However we can't turn away from the facts:We havnt improved our squad,on the contrary we have weaken the squad,and with more possible departures its not going the get better![/p][/quote]What about the possibility of some more arrivals? How can you say it is a weakened squad until it has played some games? And if we don't maintain 8th position next season, so what. Clubs of our size and stature sometimes have to go back a little to establish a base to go forward. You may recall we were in League 1 not too long ago. By the way, the transfer deadline ends on September the first. Plenty of time to get some more players in and beef up the squad. Just because we lose three English players who were high achievers, and that of course is the reason they left, doesn't mean we can't bring in some relatively unknown European players who will prove to be good and gel with the rest of the squad and make a team which will over achieve within a couple of seasons. Step back from the edge of the abyss and look at the blue sky above you. It's more compelling than the pit in front of your feet. george chivers
  • Score: -4

1:52pm Sun 20 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil




igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that.
Que heiligen.....
Loool yeah I've seen they think I'm you but I literally can't be bothered to even reply and give them what they want, they literally patrol this site 24/7.. There not the real Saints fans, if they had there way we'd have a team of championship players and anybody that disagreed would be forced to support liverpool. Vaedy must just be a rumour though, surely we'd never go for somebody that bad, I understand we can't attract great players now but I'd like too see some potential.
Horrible pair of c@nts
Sorry comment officer I didn't realise this was you and your sad mates site.please don't get Ospreysaint or the slug on me.please I will be positive from now on.i will say things like" hope he gets us playing like the Dutch" "hope he can bring over some of those Dutch defenders"
"Wow we signed pelle" "koemans orange revolution""Coyr" " the futures bright,the futures orange"
As I have said before people can be so brave sitting on a keyboard in a bedsit in portswood.
so Sammynobrains disappears for a bit and this puerile immature childish pathetic idiotic comment goes from -6 to +32! anyone really think hes not doing it? if no then there must have been around 40 people login and think this is a comment worthy of clicking on the thumbs up. so if that is the case then who are these 40 people? well gorm2shedless will be one of the logins he used so we are looking for another 38.

this will e my last comment regarding either of these 2 of his logins, he is getting what he wants and is being allowed to ruin the whole site. forget the fool and just ignore his WUM attempts.
I don't know why anyone would get enjoyment out of doing what he does but then it takes all sorts. if he and his alter ego don't like the responses from real fans who go to games and support the club hen they are quite welcome to leave and go to another site. in fact if he is such a big saints fan why doesn't he join the echo saints facebook page and show us all who he really is! easy way of proving you are a fan.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that. Que heiligen.....[/p][/quote]Loool yeah I've seen they think I'm you but I literally can't be bothered to even reply and give them what they want, they literally patrol this site 24/7.. There not the real Saints fans, if they had there way we'd have a team of championship players and anybody that disagreed would be forced to support liverpool. Vaedy must just be a rumour though, surely we'd never go for somebody that bad, I understand we can't attract great players now but I'd like too see some potential.[/p][/quote]Horrible pair of c@nts[/p][/quote]Sorry comment officer I didn't realise this was you and your sad mates site.please don't get Ospreysaint or the slug on me.please I will be positive from now on.i will say things like" hope he gets us playing like the Dutch" "hope he can bring over some of those Dutch defenders" "Wow we signed pelle" "koemans orange revolution""Coyr" " the futures bright,the futures orange" As I have said before people can be so brave sitting on a keyboard in a bedsit in portswood.[/p][/quote]so Sammynobrains disappears for a bit and this puerile immature childish pathetic idiotic comment goes from -6 to +32! anyone really think hes not doing it? if no then there must have been around 40 people login and think this is a comment worthy of clicking on the thumbs up. so if that is the case then who are these 40 people? well gorm2shedless will be one of the logins he used so we are looking for another 38. this will e my last comment regarding either of these 2 of his logins, he is getting what he wants and is being allowed to ruin the whole site. forget the fool and just ignore his WUM attempts. I don't know why anyone would get enjoyment out of doing what he does but then it takes all sorts. if he and his alter ego don't like the responses from real fans who go to games and support the club hen they are quite welcome to leave and go to another site. in fact if he is such a big saints fan why doesn't he join the echo saints facebook page and show us all who he really is! easy way of proving you are a fan. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -33

1:55pm Sun 20 Jul 14

dadofmy3sons says...

Got your ticket?
Got your shirt?
Been to any games in the last five years?
Watched on telly?
Argued your support against a follower of another team?

If you have done none of these things, how can you come on here spouting total bollux?
Football is all about the love of your one and only team.
Too many comments on here about the opinion unfounded of individuals and their inability to identify with true supporters.
I believe until it is mathematically imposiible that MY club will win something and I will be there to see it.
Portsmouth have some fanatical support and also have some complete tw4ts. I will never decry their belief in their club.
. Deluded fools that they are.
But I will take their opinion before I listen to the ranting of the WUM's who now frequent this site.
Got your ticket? Got your shirt? Been to any games in the last five years? Watched on telly? Argued your support against a follower of another team? If you have done none of these things, how can you come on here spouting total bollux? Football is all about the love of your one and only team. Too many comments on here about the opinion unfounded of individuals and their inability to identify with true supporters. I believe until it is mathematically imposiible that MY club will win something and I will be there to see it. Portsmouth have some fanatical support and also have some complete tw4ts. I will never decry their belief in their club. . Deluded fools that they are. But I will take their opinion before I listen to the ranting of the WUM's who now frequent this site. dadofmy3sons
  • Score: -5

2:41pm Sun 20 Jul 14

jasons odd says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
peregrine73 wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
NC Fan4Life,

You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches.

Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt.

Up the Saints!!!
Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon!
peregrine73,

Your opinion is flawed for two very obvious reasons. I believe I read that money from player sales has not gone to Katharina, but has been made available for player purchases. There is also the little matter of Saints having recently brought Ronald Koeman to the club. He is the highest profile manager in the history of Saints.

You are right that it is time to realise something. It is time to realise that the signing of Ronald Koeman as manager should be more than sufficient proof to the doom mongers that Southampton FC is an ambitious club that is being run within its means.

Do you believe that Katharina is stupid? I don't. Only a fool would dismantle the club, thus definitely decreasing its value. As always, Southampton FC's business is conducted in private, with the sole aim of benefitting the club. Remarkable progress has been made by Saints for five seasons. Much is being done at St. Marys to continue that progress. Players are always bought or sold at this time of year. Transfers out do not mean that the club is being dismantled, but as you think that is the case, I would be interested in your opinion on why Saints now have such a high profile manager and have already started buying in players, with Ron's approval. Any more player arrivals or departures that happen will obviously be with Ron's full knowledge and with the aim of improving the squad.

I am optimistic about next season. I leave all the worrying to the doom monger neggie veggies!!!
How is appointing koeman proof we are ambitious ????

Koeman was a high profile player , but has a very poor record as a manager . This is his 8th job in 14 years , he has never lasted very long anywhere ...is NOT highly regarded as a manager ....and NO top clubs were chasing him

Its not proof at all . Some might suggest the opposite
peregrine73,

For your information, Ronald Koeman has three times been a title winning manager with Dutch football clubs and also managed cup winning teams in the Netherlands and Spain. Three titles annd two cups as a club manager since the year 2000 is actually a very good record. Your assessment that Ron's record as a manager is very poor is therefore fatally flawed. There are none so blind as those who will not see. I suggest you read about Ron's managerial honours on Wikipedia.

Even the most successful club managers tend to manage several clubs in their careers and Ronald Koeman is no exception. These days it is a fact of football manager life.

Ron has actually managed top European clubs. He has said that he is at Southampton FC to help the development of the club. Ron is a very well respected club manager and his CV proves that he has earned that respect.

The facts in Ron's career as a club manager completely defeat your baseless, entirely negative opinion.

By the way, as a player, Ron was apparently the highest scoring defender in world football. Perhaps he will improve the goal scoring of our defenders.

I am just a Saints fan. I query what you are!!!
@just a saints fan

Cherry picking which stats you use , while ignoring other facts doesn't make you a better fan than anyone else ...It just makes you seem ridiculous .

Ronald koeman has a dreadful managerial record ..lets have a look at facts

1st job . Vitesse . 1 season finished 6th , quit to join bigger club (not much loyalty there)

2nd job . Ajax . Biggest club in Holland . Won the double season 1 . Good start . Nothing in season 2 . title in season 3 . season 4 was a disaster , way behind in title race and early exits from all cups left fans demanding a change . Under pressure he resigned before being sacked .
overall - 2 titles and 1 cup in 4 seasons at the biggest club is just about acceptable ...Not great though

3rd job . Benfica -DISASTER - 1 season , finished 3rd which is disgraceful for Benfica and poor efforts in cups .

4th job PSV . 1 season , won title , barely , came in for severe criticism for second half season capitulation . Quit again under pressure from board

5th job Valencia . 1 season , disaster of a league campaign , nearly got Valencia relegated . Won cup but was still SACKED in April with Valencia in trouble

6th job . AZ . Taking over the champions he had a disasterous campaign , AZ were mid table . SACKED before Christmas

7th job .Feyenoord . 3 seasons , did a reasonable job getting feyenoord to 2nd . Feyenoord are one of the big 3 so it was to be expected



Koeman has failed in nearly every job except Vitesse and Feyenoord . His 2 forays into foreign leagues have been disasterous . He is NOT considered a top manager and only his name has got him his managerial appointments


We all hope koeman has improved and will be successful ...but lets not kid ourselves he is this great manager ...because he is NOT . A guy with his record should not have got our job
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ?[/p][/quote]NC Fan4Life, You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches. Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon![/p][/quote]peregrine73, Your opinion is flawed for two very obvious reasons. I believe I read that money from player sales has not gone to Katharina, but has been made available for player purchases. There is also the little matter of Saints having recently brought Ronald Koeman to the club. He is the highest profile manager in the history of Saints. You are right that it is time to realise something. It is time to realise that the signing of Ronald Koeman as manager should be more than sufficient proof to the doom mongers that Southampton FC is an ambitious club that is being run within its means. Do you believe that Katharina is stupid? I don't. Only a fool would dismantle the club, thus definitely decreasing its value. As always, Southampton FC's business is conducted in private, with the sole aim of benefitting the club. Remarkable progress has been made by Saints for five seasons. Much is being done at St. Marys to continue that progress. Players are always bought or sold at this time of year. Transfers out do not mean that the club is being dismantled, but as you think that is the case, I would be interested in your opinion on why Saints now have such a high profile manager and have already started buying in players, with Ron's approval. Any more player arrivals or departures that happen will obviously be with Ron's full knowledge and with the aim of improving the squad. I am optimistic about next season. I leave all the worrying to the doom monger neggie veggies!!![/p][/quote]How is appointing koeman proof we are ambitious ???? Koeman was a high profile player , but has a very poor record as a manager . This is his 8th job in 14 years , he has never lasted very long anywhere ...is NOT highly regarded as a manager ....and NO top clubs were chasing him Its not proof at all . Some might suggest the opposite[/p][/quote]peregrine73, For your information, Ronald Koeman has three times been a title winning manager with Dutch football clubs and also managed cup winning teams in the Netherlands and Spain. Three titles annd two cups as a club manager since the year 2000 is actually a very good record. Your assessment that Ron's record as a manager is very poor is therefore fatally flawed. There are none so blind as those who will not see. I suggest you read about Ron's managerial honours on Wikipedia. Even the most successful club managers tend to manage several clubs in their careers and Ronald Koeman is no exception. These days it is a fact of football manager life. Ron has actually managed top European clubs. He has said that he is at Southampton FC to help the development of the club. Ron is a very well respected club manager and his CV proves that he has earned that respect. The facts in Ron's career as a club manager completely defeat your baseless, entirely negative opinion. By the way, as a player, Ron was apparently the highest scoring defender in world football. Perhaps he will improve the goal scoring of our defenders. I am just a Saints fan. I query what you are!!![/p][/quote]@just a saints fan Cherry picking which stats you use , while ignoring other facts doesn't make you a better fan than anyone else ...It just makes you seem ridiculous . Ronald koeman has a dreadful managerial record ..lets have a look at facts 1st job . Vitesse . 1 season finished 6th , quit to join bigger club (not much loyalty there) 2nd job . Ajax . Biggest club in Holland . Won the double season 1 . Good start . Nothing in season 2 . title in season 3 . season 4 was a disaster , way behind in title race and early exits from all cups left fans demanding a change . Under pressure he resigned before being sacked . overall - 2 titles and 1 cup in 4 seasons at the biggest club is just about acceptable ...Not great though 3rd job . Benfica -DISASTER - 1 season , finished 3rd which is disgraceful for Benfica and poor efforts in cups . 4th job PSV . 1 season , won title , barely , came in for severe criticism for second half season capitulation . Quit again under pressure from board 5th job Valencia . 1 season , disaster of a league campaign , nearly got Valencia relegated . Won cup but was still SACKED in April with Valencia in trouble 6th job . AZ . Taking over the champions he had a disasterous campaign , AZ were mid table . SACKED before Christmas 7th job .Feyenoord . 3 seasons , did a reasonable job getting feyenoord to 2nd . Feyenoord are one of the big 3 so it was to be expected Koeman has failed in nearly every job except Vitesse and Feyenoord . His 2 forays into foreign leagues have been disasterous . He is NOT considered a top manager and only his name has got him his managerial appointments We all hope koeman has improved and will be successful ...but lets not kid ourselves he is this great manager ...because he is NOT . A guy with his record should not have got our job jasons odd
  • Score: 6

2:51pm Sun 20 Jul 14

jasons odd says...

@just a saints fan

One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ?

You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then .

Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe

I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature
@just a saints fan One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ? You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then . Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature jasons odd
  • Score: 6

3:01pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Chapperall says...

I gave up reading the blogs but gave up as it looks like it's been taken over by the kindergarten again, full of childish banter.
I thought this site was about football and in particular Saints. It's fine having different views on things that's what it's all about, but some of the blogs on here are pretty irrelevant to most of the readers.
So back to concentrating on Saints it looks like Liverpool are coming back for Lovren I just hope we tell them to get stuffed!
I gave up reading the blogs but gave up as it looks like it's been taken over by the kindergarten again, full of childish banter. I thought this site was about football and in particular Saints. It's fine having different views on things that's what it's all about, but some of the blogs on here are pretty irrelevant to most of the readers. So back to concentrating on Saints it looks like Liverpool are coming back for Lovren I just hope we tell them to get stuffed! Chapperall
  • Score: -2

3:08pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Spudsaint says...

As always I'm looking forward to the new season but as I've said on here before it will be with a fair amount of trepidation and disappointment. I don't expect Morgan, Dejan, Jack and J-Rod to be at the club when the window closes. Osvaldo will be loaned out and I expect others like Gaston and Clyne to be encouraging their agents to engineer a move ASAP (who can blame them). There will be a handful of reinforcements but nothing to replace the quality we have in the squad. We will rely heavily on youth and cheap imports, and probably be targeting a finish above the drop zone. Nothing I've seen to date convinces me that the ownership have anything more in mind than realising their assets and waiting for the right opportunity to move the club on, presumably whilst we still have the attraction of a Premier League 'franchise' and state of the art academy. This is why Cortese and ultimately Pochettino moved on. The senior players know this and is why those who can command a higher offer elsewhere are voting with their feet. I know that we're all grateful to the Liebherrs for rescuing the club but I don't sense the drive and ambition present any more. Its a real shame given to where we reached last season. That said, I will be supporting the Saints as I have done since 1976 and will continue to support them whatever division we are in.
As always I'm looking forward to the new season but as I've said on here before it will be with a fair amount of trepidation and disappointment. I don't expect Morgan, Dejan, Jack and J-Rod to be at the club when the window closes. Osvaldo will be loaned out and I expect others like Gaston and Clyne to be encouraging their agents to engineer a move ASAP (who can blame them). There will be a handful of reinforcements but nothing to replace the quality we have in the squad. We will rely heavily on youth and cheap imports, and probably be targeting a finish above the drop zone. Nothing I've seen to date convinces me that the ownership have anything more in mind than realising their assets and waiting for the right opportunity to move the club on, presumably whilst we still have the attraction of a Premier League 'franchise' and state of the art academy. This is why Cortese and ultimately Pochettino moved on. The senior players know this and is why those who can command a higher offer elsewhere are voting with their feet. I know that we're all grateful to the Liebherrs for rescuing the club but I don't sense the drive and ambition present any more. Its a real shame given to where we reached last season. That said, I will be supporting the Saints as I have done since 1976 and will continue to support them whatever division we are in. Spudsaint
  • Score: 15

3:17pm Sun 20 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

jasons odd wrote:
@just a saints fan

One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ?

You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then .

Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe

I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature
jasons odd,

Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: @just a saints fan One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ? You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then . Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em justaSaintsfan
  • Score: -3

3:17pm Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Gormzzz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Believe it or not I have a life outside of the Saints, so am off out for the day, I will read your negative comments later, have a nice day.
There you go again, I merely agreed with what you had to say and was actually quite positive in saying he could be replaced. Same old, same old. I'm off out myself as I am most of the time.
Not for long enough though.
[quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Believe it or not I have a life outside of the Saints, so am off out for the day, I will read your negative comments later, have a nice day.[/p][/quote]There you go again, I merely agreed with what you had to say and was actually quite positive in saying he could be replaced. Same old, same old. I'm off out myself as I am most of the time.[/p][/quote]Not for long enough though. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

3:30pm Sun 20 Jul 14

This is Southampton and we are the Saints says...

There's a lot of people saying that the club dose has ambition just cos we have Ronald koeman! And he would have not come here if we didn't!
Do you all have that short memories? Stepping stone to bigger club (hello)
Same as players like dusan tadic! They see us as a good platform/stage to show there wears! That why there here! And if your nieve enough to think different then you deserve everything you get!
The days of dreaming of champions league are over! The club will be content to just stay in the premiership! it's a bussiness and we are not part of it! The sad fact is as fans we just don't put enough money into the club! To be worth considering anymore! It's Painful but it's true!
It pains me to say it but untill we grow are fan base to a world stage ie Madrid mutd barcalona we will only ever be a feeder club!
So you have a choice live with that fact! Or do what most of the world dose support a team from a city you weren't born in!
Me for one will be saints till I die because that's where I was born!!!!!!
This is southampton and we are the saints!!!!!!
There's a lot of people saying that the club dose has ambition just cos we have Ronald koeman! And he would have not come here if we didn't! Do you all have that short memories? Stepping stone to bigger club (hello) Same as players like dusan tadic! They see us as a good platform/stage to show there wears! That why there here! And if your nieve enough to think different then you deserve everything you get! The days of dreaming of champions league are over! The club will be content to just stay in the premiership! it's a bussiness and we are not part of it! The sad fact is as fans we just don't put enough money into the club! To be worth considering anymore! It's Painful but it's true! It pains me to say it but untill we grow are fan base to a world stage ie Madrid mutd barcalona we will only ever be a feeder club! So you have a choice live with that fact! Or do what most of the world dose support a team from a city you weren't born in! Me for one will be saints till I die because that's where I was born!!!!!! This is southampton and we are the saints!!!!!! This is Southampton and we are the Saints
  • Score: 13

3:33pm Sun 20 Jul 14

jasons odd says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
@just a saints fan

One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ?

You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then .

Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe

I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature
jasons odd,

Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em
@just a saints fan

Do you believe everything people say ? Do you believe Lallana and Lovren for their reasons for wanting out ? Or do you just selectively believe some ?

Koeman was in his home country , would be competing in the champions league, had possibility of winning trophies

Why would he leave that for a club in England with no European football , seriously low chance of winning anything and a club who is selling their best players ?????

Hmmmm ?

He is here for the money , plain and simple . Do you expect him to ADMIT he is here for the money? nobody does that .

...Same reason Pelle is here. I dont blame them ..but lets not be totally naive about these things
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: @just a saints fan One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ? You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then . Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em[/p][/quote]@just a saints fan Do you believe everything people say ? Do you believe Lallana and Lovren for their reasons for wanting out ? Or do you just selectively believe some ? Koeman was in his home country , would be competing in the champions league, had possibility of winning trophies Why would he leave that for a club in England with no European football , seriously low chance of winning anything and a club who is selling their best players ????? Hmmmm ? He is here for the money , plain and simple . Do you expect him to ADMIT he is here for the money? nobody does that . ...Same reason Pelle is here. I dont blame them ..but lets not be totally naive about these things jasons odd
  • Score: 5

3:37pm Sun 20 Jul 14

jasons odd says...

Spudsaint wrote:
As always I'm looking forward to the new season but as I've said on here before it will be with a fair amount of trepidation and disappointment. I don't expect Morgan, Dejan, Jack and J-Rod to be at the club when the window closes. Osvaldo will be loaned out and I expect others like Gaston and Clyne to be encouraging their agents to engineer a move ASAP (who can blame them). There will be a handful of reinforcements but nothing to replace the quality we have in the squad. We will rely heavily on youth and cheap imports, and probably be targeting a finish above the drop zone. Nothing I've seen to date convinces me that the ownership have anything more in mind than realising their assets and waiting for the right opportunity to move the club on, presumably whilst we still have the attraction of a Premier League 'franchise' and state of the art academy. This is why Cortese and ultimately Pochettino moved on. The senior players know this and is why those who can command a higher offer elsewhere are voting with their feet. I know that we're all grateful to the Liebherrs for rescuing the club but I don't sense the drive and ambition present any more. Its a real shame given to where we reached last season. That said, I will be supporting the Saints as I have done since 1976 and will continue to support them whatever division we are in.
This sums up exactly my thinking .

Its REALITY - not positivity nor negativity ...REALITY ( something in short supply on this site )
[quote][p][bold]Spudsaint[/bold] wrote: As always I'm looking forward to the new season but as I've said on here before it will be with a fair amount of trepidation and disappointment. I don't expect Morgan, Dejan, Jack and J-Rod to be at the club when the window closes. Osvaldo will be loaned out and I expect others like Gaston and Clyne to be encouraging their agents to engineer a move ASAP (who can blame them). There will be a handful of reinforcements but nothing to replace the quality we have in the squad. We will rely heavily on youth and cheap imports, and probably be targeting a finish above the drop zone. Nothing I've seen to date convinces me that the ownership have anything more in mind than realising their assets and waiting for the right opportunity to move the club on, presumably whilst we still have the attraction of a Premier League 'franchise' and state of the art academy. This is why Cortese and ultimately Pochettino moved on. The senior players know this and is why those who can command a higher offer elsewhere are voting with their feet. I know that we're all grateful to the Liebherrs for rescuing the club but I don't sense the drive and ambition present any more. Its a real shame given to where we reached last season. That said, I will be supporting the Saints as I have done since 1976 and will continue to support them whatever division we are in.[/p][/quote]This sums up exactly my thinking . Its REALITY - not positivity nor negativity ...REALITY ( something in short supply on this site ) jasons odd
  • Score: 6

3:40pm Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

jasons odd wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
@just a saints fan

One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ?

You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then .

Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe

I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature
jasons odd,

Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em
@just a saints fan

Do you believe everything people say ? Do you believe Lallana and Lovren for their reasons for wanting out ? Or do you just selectively believe some ?

Koeman was in his home country , would be competing in the champions league, had possibility of winning trophies

Why would he leave that for a club in England with no European football , seriously low chance of winning anything and a club who is selling their best players ?????

Hmmmm ?

He is here for the money , plain and simple . Do you expect him to ADMIT he is here for the money? nobody does that .

...Same reason Pelle is here. I dont blame them ..but lets not be totally naive about these things
If RonKo is only here for the loot, fair enough, as long as he is value for money, that is all we ask. If Pelle is only here for cash, lets see how many goal we get for the pound and then judge. This a fairly rich football club, not a blooming charity shop.
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: @just a saints fan One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ? You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then . Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em[/p][/quote]@just a saints fan Do you believe everything people say ? Do you believe Lallana and Lovren for their reasons for wanting out ? Or do you just selectively believe some ? Koeman was in his home country , would be competing in the champions league, had possibility of winning trophies Why would he leave that for a club in England with no European football , seriously low chance of winning anything and a club who is selling their best players ????? Hmmmm ? He is here for the money , plain and simple . Do you expect him to ADMIT he is here for the money? nobody does that . ...Same reason Pelle is here. I dont blame them ..but lets not be totally naive about these things[/p][/quote]If RonKo is only here for the loot, fair enough, as long as he is value for money, that is all we ask. If Pelle is only here for cash, lets see how many goal we get for the pound and then judge. This a fairly rich football club, not a blooming charity shop. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

3:46pm Sun 20 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil





igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that.
Que heiligen.....
Loool yeah I've seen they think I'm you but I literally can't be bothered to even reply and give them what they want, they literally patrol this site 24/7.. There not the real Saints fans, if they had there way we'd have a team of championship players and anybody that disagreed would be forced to support liverpool. Vaedy must just be a rumour though, surely we'd never go for somebody that bad, I understand we can't attract great players now but I'd like too see some potential.
Horrible pair of c@nts
Sorry comment officer I didn't realise this was you and your sad mates site.please don't get Ospreysaint or the slug on me.please I will be positive from now on.i will say things like" hope he gets us playing like the Dutch" "hope he can bring over some of those Dutch defenders"
"Wow we signed pelle" "koemans orange revolution""Coyr" " the futures bright,the futures orange"
As I have said before people can be so brave sitting on a keyboard in a bedsit in portswood.
so Sammynobrains disappears for a bit and this puerile immature childish pathetic idiotic comment goes from -6 to +32! anyone really think hes not doing it? if no then there must have been around 40 people login and think this is a comment worthy of clicking on the thumbs up. so if that is the case then who are these 40 people? well gorm2shedless will be one of the logins he used so we are looking for another 38.

this will e my last comment regarding either of these 2 of his logins, he is getting what he wants and is being allowed to ruin the whole site. forget the fool and just ignore his WUM attempts.
I don't know why anyone would get enjoyment out of doing what he does but then it takes all sorts. if he and his alter ego don't like the responses from real fans who go to games and support the club hen they are quite welcome to leave and go to another site. in fact if he is such a big saints fan why doesn't he join the echo saints facebook page and show us all who he really is! easy way of proving you are a fan.
Kent 141.the borer...two more..
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Gormz your spot on.they are so inter bred that they will now accuse me of having multiple sign ins,you being one of them.there is ospreysaint,jls,heil igen,the slug.all with their hands in each other's pockets.you cannot voice another opinion.they all have a lot if time to police this site(no lives).i see we are after 27year old vardy from Leicester City,reaching for the stars again.but he will be cheap and saints like that. Que heiligen.....[/p][/quote]Loool yeah I've seen they think I'm you but I literally can't be bothered to even reply and give them what they want, they literally patrol this site 24/7.. There not the real Saints fans, if they had there way we'd have a team of championship players and anybody that disagreed would be forced to support liverpool. Vaedy must just be a rumour though, surely we'd never go for somebody that bad, I understand we can't attract great players now but I'd like too see some potential.[/p][/quote]Horrible pair of c@nts[/p][/quote]Sorry comment officer I didn't realise this was you and your sad mates site.please don't get Ospreysaint or the slug on me.please I will be positive from now on.i will say things like" hope he gets us playing like the Dutch" "hope he can bring over some of those Dutch defenders" "Wow we signed pelle" "koemans orange revolution""Coyr" " the futures bright,the futures orange" As I have said before people can be so brave sitting on a keyboard in a bedsit in portswood.[/p][/quote]so Sammynobrains disappears for a bit and this puerile immature childish pathetic idiotic comment goes from -6 to +32! anyone really think hes not doing it? if no then there must have been around 40 people login and think this is a comment worthy of clicking on the thumbs up. so if that is the case then who are these 40 people? well gorm2shedless will be one of the logins he used so we are looking for another 38. this will e my last comment regarding either of these 2 of his logins, he is getting what he wants and is being allowed to ruin the whole site. forget the fool and just ignore his WUM attempts. I don't know why anyone would get enjoyment out of doing what he does but then it takes all sorts. if he and his alter ego don't like the responses from real fans who go to games and support the club hen they are quite welcome to leave and go to another site. in fact if he is such a big saints fan why doesn't he join the echo saints facebook page and show us all who he really is! easy way of proving you are a fan.[/p][/quote]Kent 141.the borer...two more.. warrens 76
  • Score: -5

3:58pm Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

If you breeze through the paper talk on NewsNow you will find that Arsenal are no longer interested in Chambers, several say we are after John Guidetti, Morgan has been teasing Saints fans by following them then unfollowing them, Vlaar features in several blogs, but only if Dejan departs. and Fonte is very optimistic and is loving the RonKo approach.
Not that you can believe anything you read in the papers. I can't find anyone saying we selling the family silver, or that there is any sign of financial meltdown. Poch is being philosophical about the lack of a war chest to buy many players but wants Spider.
If you breeze through the paper talk on NewsNow you will find that Arsenal are no longer interested in Chambers, several say we are after John Guidetti, Morgan has been teasing Saints fans by following them then unfollowing them, Vlaar features in several blogs, but only if Dejan departs. and Fonte is very optimistic and is loving the RonKo approach. Not that you can believe anything you read in the papers. I can't find anyone saying we selling the family silver, or that there is any sign of financial meltdown. Poch is being philosophical about the lack of a war chest to buy many players but wants Spider. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

4:05pm Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

jasons odd wrote:
Spudsaint wrote:
As always I'm looking forward to the new season but as I've said on here before it will be with a fair amount of trepidation and disappointment. I don't expect Morgan, Dejan, Jack and J-Rod to be at the club when the window closes. Osvaldo will be loaned out and I expect others like Gaston and Clyne to be encouraging their agents to engineer a move ASAP (who can blame them). There will be a handful of reinforcements but nothing to replace the quality we have in the squad. We will rely heavily on youth and cheap imports, and probably be targeting a finish above the drop zone. Nothing I've seen to date convinces me that the ownership have anything more in mind than realising their assets and waiting for the right opportunity to move the club on, presumably whilst we still have the attraction of a Premier League 'franchise' and state of the art academy. This is why Cortese and ultimately Pochettino moved on. The senior players know this and is why those who can command a higher offer elsewhere are voting with their feet. I know that we're all grateful to the Liebherrs for rescuing the club but I don't sense the drive and ambition present any more. Its a real shame given to where we reached last season. That said, I will be supporting the Saints as I have done since 1976 and will continue to support them whatever division we are in.
This sums up exactly my thinking .

Its REALITY - not positivity nor negativity ...REALITY ( something in short supply on this site )
You don't base your posts on reality, purely on hearsay, innuendo and mischievous paper talk, how can anyone take you seriously?
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spudsaint[/bold] wrote: As always I'm looking forward to the new season but as I've said on here before it will be with a fair amount of trepidation and disappointment. I don't expect Morgan, Dejan, Jack and J-Rod to be at the club when the window closes. Osvaldo will be loaned out and I expect others like Gaston and Clyne to be encouraging their agents to engineer a move ASAP (who can blame them). There will be a handful of reinforcements but nothing to replace the quality we have in the squad. We will rely heavily on youth and cheap imports, and probably be targeting a finish above the drop zone. Nothing I've seen to date convinces me that the ownership have anything more in mind than realising their assets and waiting for the right opportunity to move the club on, presumably whilst we still have the attraction of a Premier League 'franchise' and state of the art academy. This is why Cortese and ultimately Pochettino moved on. The senior players know this and is why those who can command a higher offer elsewhere are voting with their feet. I know that we're all grateful to the Liebherrs for rescuing the club but I don't sense the drive and ambition present any more. Its a real shame given to where we reached last season. That said, I will be supporting the Saints as I have done since 1976 and will continue to support them whatever division we are in.[/p][/quote]This sums up exactly my thinking . Its REALITY - not positivity nor negativity ...REALITY ( something in short supply on this site )[/p][/quote]You don't base your posts on reality, purely on hearsay, innuendo and mischievous paper talk, how can anyone take you seriously? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

4:09pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Chapperall says...

Just listening to Talk sport and they saw Southampton being down there in the relegation zone this season due to the loss of our best players and still the uncertainty of losing more. What made it even worse they were talking about teams like Hull being mid table and Saints in the bottom section with the likes of QPR , Burnley etc. I personally found this difficult to listen to after the accolades we were getting last season.
Although I want to remin positive having received my season tickets yesterday I am actually quite worried about the season ahead. It's only a matter of weeks to go before the season starts and we are lacking in depth and have not reinforced the positions we struggled in last season, decent goalkeeper to support Boruc as Gaza is nowhere near a premiership goalkeeper, secondly centre back I even if Lovren stays we don't have a decent replacement. I could go on here but do others feel like this or is this just me having a bad day?
Just listening to Talk sport and they saw Southampton being down there in the relegation zone this season due to the loss of our best players and still the uncertainty of losing more. What made it even worse they were talking about teams like Hull being mid table and Saints in the bottom section with the likes of QPR , Burnley etc. I personally found this difficult to listen to after the accolades we were getting last season. Although I want to remin positive having received my season tickets yesterday I am actually quite worried about the season ahead. It's only a matter of weeks to go before the season starts and we are lacking in depth and have not reinforced the positions we struggled in last season, decent goalkeeper to support Boruc as Gaza is nowhere near a premiership goalkeeper, secondly centre back I even if Lovren stays we don't have a decent replacement. I could go on here but do others feel like this or is this just me having a bad day? Chapperall
  • Score: 6

4:12pm Sun 20 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
@just a saints fan

One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ?

You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then .

Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe

I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature
jasons odd,

Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em
jasons odd,

Continuation . . . . . . .

(Sorry, my partial reply somehow sent itself! Lol!)

As I was saying, MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have employed a manager with a better CV than MoPo.

I wasn't born yesterday. Of course Ronald Koeman is being well paid. MoPo was also well paid. He left Saints for reasons other than money. I think Ron joined Saints partly because he enjoys improving individual players and teams. He is probably quite well off anyway because of his long career in football. I therefore think he came to Southampton largely because he wants the two new challenges of improving Saints and managing in the Premier League. I think the guy was seeking fresh motivation. As you reckon Ron is merely here for the money, perhaps you would have to have been born yesterday to believe something so simple! Ron wants to pit his wits in one of the best leagues in club football.

I have not portrayed Ronald Koeman as a loyal, wonderful guy. I have also not written that MoPo is a Judas.

I have most certainly not shown any immaturity. Personal insults never win debates!!!
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: @just a saints fan One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ? You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then . Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Continuation . . . . . . . (Sorry, my partial reply somehow sent itself! Lol!) As I was saying, MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have employed a manager with a better CV than MoPo. I wasn't born yesterday. Of course Ronald Koeman is being well paid. MoPo was also well paid. He left Saints for reasons other than money. I think Ron joined Saints partly because he enjoys improving individual players and teams. He is probably quite well off anyway because of his long career in football. I therefore think he came to Southampton largely because he wants the two new challenges of improving Saints and managing in the Premier League. I think the guy was seeking fresh motivation. As you reckon Ron is merely here for the money, perhaps you would have to have been born yesterday to believe something so simple! Ron wants to pit his wits in one of the best leagues in club football. I have not portrayed Ronald Koeman as a loyal, wonderful guy. I have also not written that MoPo is a Judas. I have most certainly not shown any immaturity. Personal insults never win debates!!! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: -3

4:26pm Sun 20 Jul 14

slugger says...

Just take a look the thumbs up for negative posts compared to the down ones for positive posts , all the evidence I need to see how far this site has been infiltrated by wums , I'll leave you all to it ...... For now ....... COYR !!!
Just take a look the thumbs up for negative posts compared to the down ones for positive posts , all the evidence I need to see how far this site has been infiltrated by wums , I'll leave you all to it ...... For now ....... COYR !!! slugger
  • Score: 0

4:39pm Sun 20 Jul 14

InsideOutCat says...

Ok, here's a thought. My grandad took me to my first Saints game in 1967 and I've had no other team in my heart since.

Sometimes we do well. Sometimes we do badly. Mostly we flatter to deceive. But we are Saints men and women. We don't claim allegiance to some dodgily financed high profile fashionable club like some. Because we don't subscribe to the desperately sad belief that suppporting a side that wins lots of trophies will make others think us knowledgeable about football.
We don't support our club just because we can shift thousands of units in a replica kit market where the buyers aren't even sure where Britain is, never mind our city.
We support our team because it's i our blood. Win or lose. Premiership or Conference. Win or lose. We trust. We love. We ARE Saints and we will ALWAYS be Saints.

We trust, we cheer, we weep, but above all WE BELIEVE.

If you think you' re a better person, a more knowledgeable person for supporting a "big" club, a "successful club" then s@d off to the plastic temples that are Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge and TheAirlineFranchise@ Eastlands. Football is't about making you feel good or clever. It's about pain and tears and occasional success. You don't choose your team. It chooses you.
If you don't get it now you never will.
Ok, here's a thought. My grandad took me to my first Saints game in 1967 and I've had no other team in my heart since. Sometimes we do well. Sometimes we do badly. Mostly we flatter to deceive. But we are Saints men and women. We don't claim allegiance to some dodgily financed high profile fashionable club like some. Because we don't subscribe to the desperately sad belief that suppporting a side that wins lots of trophies will make others think us knowledgeable about football. We don't support our club just because we can shift thousands of units in a replica kit market where the buyers aren't even sure where Britain is, never mind our city. We support our team because it's i our blood. Win or lose. Premiership or Conference. Win or lose. We trust. We love. We ARE Saints and we will ALWAYS be Saints. We trust, we cheer, we weep, but above all WE BELIEVE. If you think you' re a better person, a more knowledgeable person for supporting a "big" club, a "successful club" then s@d off to the plastic temples that are Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge and TheAirlineFranchise@ Eastlands. Football is't about making you feel good or clever. It's about pain and tears and occasional success. You don't choose your team. It chooses you. If you don't get it now you never will. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 6

4:42pm Sun 20 Jul 14

jasons odd says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
@just a saints fan

One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ?

You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then .

Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe

I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature
jasons odd,

Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em
jasons odd,

Continuation . . . . . . .

(Sorry, my partial reply somehow sent itself! Lol!)

As I was saying, MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have employed a manager with a better CV than MoPo.

I wasn't born yesterday. Of course Ronald Koeman is being well paid. MoPo was also well paid. He left Saints for reasons other than money. I think Ron joined Saints partly because he enjoys improving individual players and teams. He is probably quite well off anyway because of his long career in football. I therefore think he came to Southampton largely because he wants the two new challenges of improving Saints and managing in the Premier League. I think the guy was seeking fresh motivation. As you reckon Ron is merely here for the money, perhaps you would have to have been born yesterday to believe something so simple! Ron wants to pit his wits in one of the best leagues in club football.

I have not portrayed Ronald Koeman as a loyal, wonderful guy. I have also not written that MoPo is a Judas.

I have most certainly not shown any immaturity. Personal insults never win debates!!!
I was generalizing about peoples hypocritical and immature attitude to pochettino . I have no idea if you have shared these thoughts or not , so i was not calling you immature , i was calling the reaction to his departure immature .

All your talk of Koeman 'wanting to pit his wits '...'fresh motivation ' etc etc is pure conjecture . Its far more likely the huge increase in wages are the answer .

Or dont you think Koeman would have fancied 'pitting his wits ' against Europes best in the champions league ?

Or would Koeman not have the 'motivation' to try and win the league with a club close to his heart ??

Oh no , of course not , he would rather join a mid table English club who have sold their best players ? ...Yep sure !!!
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: @just a saints fan One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ? You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then . Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Continuation . . . . . . . (Sorry, my partial reply somehow sent itself! Lol!) As I was saying, MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have employed a manager with a better CV than MoPo. I wasn't born yesterday. Of course Ronald Koeman is being well paid. MoPo was also well paid. He left Saints for reasons other than money. I think Ron joined Saints partly because he enjoys improving individual players and teams. He is probably quite well off anyway because of his long career in football. I therefore think he came to Southampton largely because he wants the two new challenges of improving Saints and managing in the Premier League. I think the guy was seeking fresh motivation. As you reckon Ron is merely here for the money, perhaps you would have to have been born yesterday to believe something so simple! Ron wants to pit his wits in one of the best leagues in club football. I have not portrayed Ronald Koeman as a loyal, wonderful guy. I have also not written that MoPo is a Judas. I have most certainly not shown any immaturity. Personal insults never win debates!!![/p][/quote]I was generalizing about peoples hypocritical and immature attitude to pochettino . I have no idea if you have shared these thoughts or not , so i was not calling you immature , i was calling the reaction to his departure immature . All your talk of Koeman 'wanting to pit his wits '...'fresh motivation ' etc etc is pure conjecture . Its far more likely the huge increase in wages are the answer . Or dont you think Koeman would have fancied 'pitting his wits ' against Europes best in the champions league ? Or would Koeman not have the 'motivation' to try and win the league with a club close to his heart ?? Oh no , of course not , he would rather join a mid table English club who have sold their best players ? ...Yep sure !!! jasons odd
  • Score: 7

4:46pm Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

jasons odd wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
@just a saints fan

One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ?

You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then .

Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe

I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature
jasons odd,

Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em
jasons odd,

Continuation . . . . . . .

(Sorry, my partial reply somehow sent itself! Lol!)

As I was saying, MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have employed a manager with a better CV than MoPo.

I wasn't born yesterday. Of course Ronald Koeman is being well paid. MoPo was also well paid. He left Saints for reasons other than money. I think Ron joined Saints partly because he enjoys improving individual players and teams. He is probably quite well off anyway because of his long career in football. I therefore think he came to Southampton largely because he wants the two new challenges of improving Saints and managing in the Premier League. I think the guy was seeking fresh motivation. As you reckon Ron is merely here for the money, perhaps you would have to have been born yesterday to believe something so simple! Ron wants to pit his wits in one of the best leagues in club football.

I have not portrayed Ronald Koeman as a loyal, wonderful guy. I have also not written that MoPo is a Judas.

I have most certainly not shown any immaturity. Personal insults never win debates!!!
I was generalizing about peoples hypocritical and immature attitude to pochettino . I have no idea if you have shared these thoughts or not , so i was not calling you immature , i was calling the reaction to his departure immature .

All your talk of Koeman 'wanting to pit his wits '...'fresh motivation ' etc etc is pure conjecture . Its far more likely the huge increase in wages are the answer .

Or dont you think Koeman would have fancied 'pitting his wits ' against Europes best in the champions league ?

Or would Koeman not have the 'motivation' to try and win the league with a club close to his heart ??

Oh no , of course not , he would rather join a mid table English club who have sold their best players ? ...Yep sure !!!
Whatever the real reason is, you don't know, you are only guessing and thinking the worst case scenario, we don't know either, but we are trusting and hoping, that is the difference.
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: @just a saints fan One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ? You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then . Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Continuation . . . . . . . (Sorry, my partial reply somehow sent itself! Lol!) As I was saying, MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have employed a manager with a better CV than MoPo. I wasn't born yesterday. Of course Ronald Koeman is being well paid. MoPo was also well paid. He left Saints for reasons other than money. I think Ron joined Saints partly because he enjoys improving individual players and teams. He is probably quite well off anyway because of his long career in football. I therefore think he came to Southampton largely because he wants the two new challenges of improving Saints and managing in the Premier League. I think the guy was seeking fresh motivation. As you reckon Ron is merely here for the money, perhaps you would have to have been born yesterday to believe something so simple! Ron wants to pit his wits in one of the best leagues in club football. I have not portrayed Ronald Koeman as a loyal, wonderful guy. I have also not written that MoPo is a Judas. I have most certainly not shown any immaturity. Personal insults never win debates!!![/p][/quote]I was generalizing about peoples hypocritical and immature attitude to pochettino . I have no idea if you have shared these thoughts or not , so i was not calling you immature , i was calling the reaction to his departure immature . All your talk of Koeman 'wanting to pit his wits '...'fresh motivation ' etc etc is pure conjecture . Its far more likely the huge increase in wages are the answer . Or dont you think Koeman would have fancied 'pitting his wits ' against Europes best in the champions league ? Or would Koeman not have the 'motivation' to try and win the league with a club close to his heart ?? Oh no , of course not , he would rather join a mid table English club who have sold their best players ? ...Yep sure !!![/p][/quote]Whatever the real reason is, you don't know, you are only guessing and thinking the worst case scenario, we don't know either, but we are trusting and hoping, that is the difference. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

4:48pm Sun 20 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

jasons odd wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
@just a saints fan

One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ?

You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then .

Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe

I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature
jasons odd,

Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em
@just a saints fan

Do you believe everything people say ? Do you believe Lallana and Lovren for their reasons for wanting out ? Or do you just selectively believe some ?

Koeman was in his home country , would be competing in the champions league, had possibility of winning trophies

Why would he leave that for a club in England with no European football , seriously low chance of winning anything and a club who is selling their best players ?????

Hmmmm ?

He is here for the money , plain and simple . Do you expect him to ADMIT he is here for the money? nobody does that .

...Same reason Pelle is here. I dont blame them ..but lets not be totally naive about these things
jasons odd,

No, I absolutely do not believe EVERYTHING people say. Quite frankly, Adam Lallana's reasoning for leaving Saints are irrelevant. He is now a Liverhampton player, end of story. As for Dejan Lovren, we know that he reportedly said that his head is already at Liverhampton. What I might believe about what he possibly said is also irrelevant. He is right now still a Southampton player. Please get real. Everyone, including your good self, is selective about believing what other people say!

I believe Ronald Koeman is relishing the fresh challenges of managing upwardly mobile Saints and pitting his wits against some good managers in one of the world's best leagues. Ron also enjoys improving young players. What is there not to believe about it? In my job, I am in it for the money, but I also enjoy imparting my knowledge to new employees, especially the youngsters. You think Ron is only here for the money. He probably doesn't need it!!!

You say that Saints have a seriously low chance of winning something and is a club that sells its best
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: @just a saints fan One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ? You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then . Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em[/p][/quote]@just a saints fan Do you believe everything people say ? Do you believe Lallana and Lovren for their reasons for wanting out ? Or do you just selectively believe some ? Koeman was in his home country , would be competing in the champions league, had possibility of winning trophies Why would he leave that for a club in England with no European football , seriously low chance of winning anything and a club who is selling their best players ????? Hmmmm ? He is here for the money , plain and simple . Do you expect him to ADMIT he is here for the money? nobody does that . ...Same reason Pelle is here. I dont blame them ..but lets not be totally naive about these things[/p][/quote]jasons odd, No, I absolutely do not believe EVERYTHING people say. Quite frankly, Adam Lallana's reasoning for leaving Saints are irrelevant. He is now a Liverhampton player, end of story. As for Dejan Lovren, we know that he reportedly said that his head is already at Liverhampton. What I might believe about what he possibly said is also irrelevant. He is right now still a Southampton player. Please get real. Everyone, including your good self, is selective about believing what other people say! I believe Ronald Koeman is relishing the fresh challenges of managing upwardly mobile Saints and pitting his wits against some good managers in one of the world's best leagues. Ron also enjoys improving young players. What is there not to believe about it? In my job, I am in it for the money, but I also enjoy imparting my knowledge to new employees, especially the youngsters. You think Ron is only here for the money. He probably doesn't need it!!! You say that Saints have a seriously low chance of winning something and is a club that sells its best justaSaintsfan
  • Score: -3

4:52pm Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

slugger wrote:
Just take a look the thumbs up for negative posts compared to the down ones for positive posts , all the evidence I need to see how far this site has been infiltrated by wums , I'll leave you all to it ...... For now ....... COYR !!!
Shouldn't worry I have upset so many WUMs I attract thumbs down before they have even read the message, just the sign on is enough for the rush to hit the TD button, I don't give a monkeys.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: Just take a look the thumbs up for negative posts compared to the down ones for positive posts , all the evidence I need to see how far this site has been infiltrated by wums , I'll leave you all to it ...... For now ....... COYR !!![/p][/quote]Shouldn't worry I have upset so many WUMs I attract thumbs down before they have even read the message, just the sign on is enough for the rush to hit the TD button, I don't give a monkeys. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

4:55pm Sun 20 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
It might be that the club weren't trying to asset strip but their refusal to back the plan led to the loss of the management team. The quick sale of Rickie, took 3 days I think, was seen as a generous thing but meant we had sold our talisman and a player who the rest of the team respected and looked to for guidance. I think things then got a momentum of their own. As result of this Adam and Luke were gone with Morgan hinting strongly he wants away, Lovern not pretending anything else by submitting a transfer request and Osvaldo refusing to return to training.

Three Saints players picked by England, one is a Liverpool player before he got there, the other two never to kick a ball for Saints again.

We are know to have cash, players are dubious because we are selling top quality, and we don't like to pay big wages. That is making it hard to bring in decent quality.

This is proving to be a very tough summer.
Spot on. And driven I think because the owner wants to recoup loans and run the business at a profit, or at least at break even.

A reflection I think of a business woman who is good at the job of running businesses but doesn't have an emotional attachment to football. Personally I am hoping we will finish next season at around 11th/12th, higher than that, I think, is too ambitious at this point given the changes in personnel we've had. Then hopefully the club will be sold at a decent profit to a billionaire who is interested in football as a hobby. Then we can forge on from there up the league, with the aid of some radical investment.

That way the aspirations of the current owner, the new owner, the fans and the players can be met. What I don't want is an owner who is happy to sell off premium priced home developed players on a regular
season on season basis, make a profit and just maintain a mid table position. I would like to see an attempt by an owner to get into the top six sometime in the next two or three seasons.

However, as I have said before the chances of us reaching the top four is very remote. The only club of a comparable size to us to do that is Blackburn Rovers and that was 20 years ago. Our ground capacity and our supporter base is against us to make the top four on a regular basis. Just look at who's qualified for the Champions in the past 10 years. All of the clubs come from major cities with large urban populations and extensive national and international support. Revenue just rolls in, if not profit.

I think the top six is our ceiling unless we manage to attract an owner like Fernandez at QPR who is willing to break the finance rules and pay the fines. KL is clearly not prepared to do that.

COYR STID
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: It might be that the club weren't trying to asset strip but their refusal to back the plan led to the loss of the management team. The quick sale of Rickie, took 3 days I think, was seen as a generous thing but meant we had sold our talisman and a player who the rest of the team respected and looked to for guidance. I think things then got a momentum of their own. As result of this Adam and Luke were gone with Morgan hinting strongly he wants away, Lovern not pretending anything else by submitting a transfer request and Osvaldo refusing to return to training. Three Saints players picked by England, one is a Liverpool player before he got there, the other two never to kick a ball for Saints again. We are know to have cash, players are dubious because we are selling top quality, and we don't like to pay big wages. That is making it hard to bring in decent quality. This is proving to be a very tough summer.[/p][/quote]Spot on. And driven I think because the owner wants to recoup loans and run the business at a profit, or at least at break even. A reflection I think of a business woman who is good at the job of running businesses but doesn't have an emotional attachment to football. Personally I am hoping we will finish next season at around 11th/12th, higher than that, I think, is too ambitious at this point given the changes in personnel we've had. Then hopefully the club will be sold at a decent profit to a billionaire who is interested in football as a hobby. Then we can forge on from there up the league, with the aid of some radical investment. That way the aspirations of the current owner, the new owner, the fans and the players can be met. What I don't want is an owner who is happy to sell off premium priced home developed players on a regular season on season basis, make a profit and just maintain a mid table position. I would like to see an attempt by an owner to get into the top six sometime in the next two or three seasons. However, as I have said before the chances of us reaching the top four is very remote. The only club of a comparable size to us to do that is Blackburn Rovers and that was 20 years ago. Our ground capacity and our supporter base is against us to make the top four on a regular basis. Just look at who's qualified for the Champions in the past 10 years. All of the clubs come from major cities with large urban populations and extensive national and international support. Revenue just rolls in, if not profit. I think the top six is our ceiling unless we manage to attract an owner like Fernandez at QPR who is willing to break the finance rules and pay the fines. KL is clearly not prepared to do that. COYR STID george chivers
  • Score: 6

5:13pm Sun 20 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
@just a saints fan

One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ?

You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then .

Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe

I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature
jasons odd,

Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em
@just a saints fan

Do you believe everything people say ? Do you believe Lallana and Lovren for their reasons for wanting out ? Or do you just selectively believe some ?

Koeman was in his home country , would be competing in the champions league, had possibility of winning trophies

Why would he leave that for a club in England with no European football , seriously low chance of winning anything and a club who is selling their best players ?????

Hmmmm ?

He is here for the money , plain and simple . Do you expect him to ADMIT he is here for the money? nobody does that .

...Same reason Pelle is here. I dont blame them ..but lets not be totally naive about these things
jasons odd,

No, I absolutely do not believe EVERYTHING people say. Quite frankly, Adam Lallana's reasoning for leaving Saints are irrelevant. He is now a Liverhampton player, end of story. As for Dejan Lovren, we know that he reportedly said that his head is already at Liverhampton. What I might believe about what he possibly said is also irrelevant. He is right now still a Southampton player. Please get real. Everyone, including your good self, is selective about believing what other people say!

I believe Ronald Koeman is relishing the fresh challenges of managing upwardly mobile Saints and pitting his wits against some good managers in one of the world's best leagues. Ron also enjoys improving young players. What is there not to believe about it? In my job, I am in it for the money, but I also enjoy imparting my knowledge to new employees, especially the youngsters. You think Ron is only here for the money. He probably doesn't need it!!!

You say that Saints have a seriously low chance of winning something and is a club that sells its best
jasons odd,

Continuation (sorry) . . . . . . .

You say that Saints have a seriously low chance of winning something and is a club that sells its best players. Do you mean that Southampton FC is like Liverhampton? Luis Suarez (alias vampire) immediately springs to mind. All clubs sell their best players when the price is right! Regarding winning trophies, I'm not a defeatist in my thinking. Thanks for reminding me that lowly Nottingham Forest won domestic and European competitions from small beginnings. I also recall lowly Liverhampton getting a new manager, called Bill Shankly, and winning many trophies. Negativity has never won anything!!! Why doubt the possibilities for Saints?

As for Graziano Pelle, of course he is being paid more money than at his previous club. Money is probably not his only motivation to come here. What about the challenge of proving himself in a supposedly stronger league than the Eredivisie? It is a compliment to Ron's coaching skills that Graziano agreed to follow him to Saints.

You say let's not be naive about these things. I agree with you that money is a major reason for players and managers moving to different clubs, but I am not naive so as to believe that money is the ONLY reason. Both life and football are not that simple.

Thanks, I am enjoying our debate!!!
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: @just a saints fan One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ? You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then . Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em[/p][/quote]@just a saints fan Do you believe everything people say ? Do you believe Lallana and Lovren for their reasons for wanting out ? Or do you just selectively believe some ? Koeman was in his home country , would be competing in the champions league, had possibility of winning trophies Why would he leave that for a club in England with no European football , seriously low chance of winning anything and a club who is selling their best players ????? Hmmmm ? He is here for the money , plain and simple . Do you expect him to ADMIT he is here for the money? nobody does that . ...Same reason Pelle is here. I dont blame them ..but lets not be totally naive about these things[/p][/quote]jasons odd, No, I absolutely do not believe EVERYTHING people say. Quite frankly, Adam Lallana's reasoning for leaving Saints are irrelevant. He is now a Liverhampton player, end of story. As for Dejan Lovren, we know that he reportedly said that his head is already at Liverhampton. What I might believe about what he possibly said is also irrelevant. He is right now still a Southampton player. Please get real. Everyone, including your good self, is selective about believing what other people say! I believe Ronald Koeman is relishing the fresh challenges of managing upwardly mobile Saints and pitting his wits against some good managers in one of the world's best leagues. Ron also enjoys improving young players. What is there not to believe about it? In my job, I am in it for the money, but I also enjoy imparting my knowledge to new employees, especially the youngsters. You think Ron is only here for the money. He probably doesn't need it!!! You say that Saints have a seriously low chance of winning something and is a club that sells its best[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Continuation (sorry) . . . . . . . You say that Saints have a seriously low chance of winning something and is a club that sells its best players. Do you mean that Southampton FC is like Liverhampton? Luis Suarez (alias vampire) immediately springs to mind. All clubs sell their best players when the price is right! Regarding winning trophies, I'm not a defeatist in my thinking. Thanks for reminding me that lowly Nottingham Forest won domestic and European competitions from small beginnings. I also recall lowly Liverhampton getting a new manager, called Bill Shankly, and winning many trophies. Negativity has never won anything!!! Why doubt the possibilities for Saints? As for Graziano Pelle, of course he is being paid more money than at his previous club. Money is probably not his only motivation to come here. What about the challenge of proving himself in a supposedly stronger league than the Eredivisie? It is a compliment to Ron's coaching skills that Graziano agreed to follow him to Saints. You say let's not be naive about these things. I agree with you that money is a major reason for players and managers moving to different clubs, but I am not naive so as to believe that money is the ONLY reason. Both life and football are not that simple. Thanks, I am enjoying our debate!!! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 0

5:19pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Invidia says...

Reading these posts remind me of my lectures at UNI Maslow's pyramid of Hierarchy in particular every one has their place we have on the one hand the so called happy clappers and we also have the so called neggies. I personally do not like to be labelled and put in a box, I believe that all opinions are valid maybe not necessarily correct but all valid. Seeing you know your way around google you may educate yourself and be more tolerant to others if you read it, you will see that all that is discussed on here falls into place according to his theories. Individuals/players motives etc can be accounted for.
Reading these posts remind me of my lectures at UNI Maslow's pyramid of Hierarchy in particular every one has their place we have on the one hand the so called happy clappers and we also have the so called neggies. I personally do not like to be labelled and put in a box, I believe that all opinions are valid maybe not necessarily correct but all valid. Seeing you know your way around google you may educate yourself and be more tolerant to others if you read it, you will see that all that is discussed on here falls into place according to his theories. Individuals/players motives etc can be accounted for. Invidia
  • Score: 1

5:30pm Sun 20 Jul 14

spratt says...

Well well - what ever is happening to SFC? This thread has produced some lively comment but the more I read the more confused I am. Just seems one big nightmare after the euphoria of last season. Could we not organise one big march by mobile fans to St Marys and DEMAND some explanation. The silence from Kruger and Les is deafening WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?
Well well - what ever is happening to SFC? This thread has produced some lively comment but the more I read the more confused I am. Just seems one big nightmare after the euphoria of last season. Could we not organise one big march by mobile fans to St Marys and DEMAND some explanation. The silence from Kruger and Les is deafening WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON? spratt
  • Score: 4

5:34pm Sun 20 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
@just a saints fan

One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ?

You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then .

Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe

I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature
jasons odd,

Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em
jasons odd,

Continuation . . . . . . .

(Sorry, my partial reply somehow sent itself! Lol!)

As I was saying, MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have employed a manager with a better CV than MoPo.

I wasn't born yesterday. Of course Ronald Koeman is being well paid. MoPo was also well paid. He left Saints for reasons other than money. I think Ron joined Saints partly because he enjoys improving individual players and teams. He is probably quite well off anyway because of his long career in football. I therefore think he came to Southampton largely because he wants the two new challenges of improving Saints and managing in the Premier League. I think the guy was seeking fresh motivation. As you reckon Ron is merely here for the money, perhaps you would have to have been born yesterday to believe something so simple! Ron wants to pit his wits in one of the best leagues in club football.

I have not portrayed Ronald Koeman as a loyal, wonderful guy. I have also not written that MoPo is a Judas.

I have most certainly not shown any immaturity. Personal insults never win debates!!!
I was generalizing about peoples hypocritical and immature attitude to pochettino . I have no idea if you have shared these thoughts or not , so i was not calling you immature , i was calling the reaction to his departure immature .

All your talk of Koeman 'wanting to pit his wits '...'fresh motivation ' etc etc is pure conjecture . Its far more likely the huge increase in wages are the answer .

Or dont you think Koeman would have fancied 'pitting his wits ' against Europes best in the champions league ?

Or would Koeman not have the 'motivation' to try and win the league with a club close to his heart ??

Oh no , of course not , he would rather join a mid table English club who have sold their best players ? ...Yep sure !!!
Whatever the real reason is, you don't know, you are only guessing and thinking the worst case scenario, we don't know either, but we are trusting and hoping, that is the difference.
jasons odd,

Now you are saying that I am guessing and thinking the worst case scenario. I therefore suggest that you have a look at what Ronald Koeman actually said at his St. Marys press conference. He most definitely did not mention that he came to Saints for the money!!! Ron did, however, talk about what he will be doing in his new job!!!

Are you able to read minds? How else could you tell that I am thinking the worst case scenario? Not so, my friend, not so. I am an optimist and I am an achiever. Negativity is a defeatist mentality. I have come a long way from very lowly beginnings. I am interested only in best case scenarios!!! Why would worst case scenarios be of any interest to anyone? That is a weird way of looking at life, let alone at football.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: @just a saints fan One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ? You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then . Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Continuation . . . . . . . (Sorry, my partial reply somehow sent itself! Lol!) As I was saying, MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have employed a manager with a better CV than MoPo. I wasn't born yesterday. Of course Ronald Koeman is being well paid. MoPo was also well paid. He left Saints for reasons other than money. I think Ron joined Saints partly because he enjoys improving individual players and teams. He is probably quite well off anyway because of his long career in football. I therefore think he came to Southampton largely because he wants the two new challenges of improving Saints and managing in the Premier League. I think the guy was seeking fresh motivation. As you reckon Ron is merely here for the money, perhaps you would have to have been born yesterday to believe something so simple! Ron wants to pit his wits in one of the best leagues in club football. I have not portrayed Ronald Koeman as a loyal, wonderful guy. I have also not written that MoPo is a Judas. I have most certainly not shown any immaturity. Personal insults never win debates!!![/p][/quote]I was generalizing about peoples hypocritical and immature attitude to pochettino . I have no idea if you have shared these thoughts or not , so i was not calling you immature , i was calling the reaction to his departure immature . All your talk of Koeman 'wanting to pit his wits '...'fresh motivation ' etc etc is pure conjecture . Its far more likely the huge increase in wages are the answer . Or dont you think Koeman would have fancied 'pitting his wits ' against Europes best in the champions league ? Or would Koeman not have the 'motivation' to try and win the league with a club close to his heart ?? Oh no , of course not , he would rather join a mid table English club who have sold their best players ? ...Yep sure !!![/p][/quote]Whatever the real reason is, you don't know, you are only guessing and thinking the worst case scenario, we don't know either, but we are trusting and hoping, that is the difference.[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Now you are saying that I am guessing and thinking the worst case scenario. I therefore suggest that you have a look at what Ronald Koeman actually said at his St. Marys press conference. He most definitely did not mention that he came to Saints for the money!!! Ron did, however, talk about what he will be doing in his new job!!! Are you able to read minds? How else could you tell that I am thinking the worst case scenario? Not so, my friend, not so. I am an optimist and I am an achiever. Negativity is a defeatist mentality. I have come a long way from very lowly beginnings. I am interested only in best case scenarios!!! Why would worst case scenarios be of any interest to anyone? That is a weird way of looking at life, let alone at football. justaSaintsfan
  • Score: -1

5:38pm Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

spratt wrote:
Well well - what ever is happening to SFC? This thread has produced some lively comment but the more I read the more confused I am. Just seems one big nightmare after the euphoria of last season. Could we not organise one big march by mobile fans to St Marys and DEMAND some explanation. The silence from Kruger and Les is deafening WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?
Even as one of the happiest clappers in the world, I am worried about the lack of clarity forthcoming, when NC was in control I never expected to hear much, but Ralph K promised us more information to be shared with the supporters , it simply isn't happening and is opening the portals for neggies to spout their bile, as we have nothing concrete with which to fight them off. I still await with positive anticipation, but am getting a bit impatient for better news. It's bad for our health and welfare and surely a breach of our human rights.
[quote][p][bold]spratt[/bold] wrote: Well well - what ever is happening to SFC? This thread has produced some lively comment but the more I read the more confused I am. Just seems one big nightmare after the euphoria of last season. Could we not organise one big march by mobile fans to St Marys and DEMAND some explanation. The silence from Kruger and Les is deafening WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?[/p][/quote]Even as one of the happiest clappers in the world, I am worried about the lack of clarity forthcoming, when NC was in control I never expected to hear much, but Ralph K promised us more information to be shared with the supporters , it simply isn't happening and is opening the portals for neggies to spout their bile, as we have nothing concrete with which to fight them off. I still await with positive anticipation, but am getting a bit impatient for better news. It's bad for our health and welfare and surely a breach of our human rights. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

5:39pm Sun 20 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

Invidia wrote:
Reading these posts remind me of my lectures at UNI Maslow's pyramid of Hierarchy in particular every one has their place we have on the one hand the so called happy clappers and we also have the so called neggies. I personally do not like to be labelled and put in a box, I believe that all opinions are valid maybe not necessarily correct but all valid. Seeing you know your way around google you may educate yourself and be more tolerant to others if you read it, you will see that all that is discussed on here falls into place according to his theories. Individuals/players motives etc can be accounted for.
Invidia,

Thank you so much for putting a new smile on my face! I enjoyed your interesting post!
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: Reading these posts remind me of my lectures at UNI Maslow's pyramid of Hierarchy in particular every one has their place we have on the one hand the so called happy clappers and we also have the so called neggies. I personally do not like to be labelled and put in a box, I believe that all opinions are valid maybe not necessarily correct but all valid. Seeing you know your way around google you may educate yourself and be more tolerant to others if you read it, you will see that all that is discussed on here falls into place according to his theories. Individuals/players motives etc can be accounted for.[/p][/quote]Invidia, Thank you so much for putting a new smile on my face! I enjoyed your interesting post! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 2

5:42pm Sun 20 Jul 14

jasons odd says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
@just a saints fan

One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ?

You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then .

Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe

I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature
jasons odd,

Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em
jasons odd,

Continuation . . . . . . .

(Sorry, my partial reply somehow sent itself! Lol!)

As I was saying, MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have employed a manager with a better CV than MoPo.

I wasn't born yesterday. Of course Ronald Koeman is being well paid. MoPo was also well paid. He left Saints for reasons other than money. I think Ron joined Saints partly because he enjoys improving individual players and teams. He is probably quite well off anyway because of his long career in football. I therefore think he came to Southampton largely because he wants the two new challenges of improving Saints and managing in the Premier League. I think the guy was seeking fresh motivation. As you reckon Ron is merely here for the money, perhaps you would have to have been born yesterday to believe something so simple! Ron wants to pit his wits in one of the best leagues in club football.

I have not portrayed Ronald Koeman as a loyal, wonderful guy. I have also not written that MoPo is a Judas.

I have most certainly not shown any immaturity. Personal insults never win debates!!!
I was generalizing about peoples hypocritical and immature attitude to pochettino . I have no idea if you have shared these thoughts or not , so i was not calling you immature , i was calling the reaction to his departure immature .

All your talk of Koeman 'wanting to pit his wits '...'fresh motivation ' etc etc is pure conjecture . Its far more likely the huge increase in wages are the answer .

Or dont you think Koeman would have fancied 'pitting his wits ' against Europes best in the champions league ?

Or would Koeman not have the 'motivation' to try and win the league with a club close to his heart ??

Oh no , of course not , he would rather join a mid table English club who have sold their best players ? ...Yep sure !!!
Whatever the real reason is, you don't know, you are only guessing and thinking the worst case scenario, we don't know either, but we are trusting and hoping, that is the difference.
jasons odd,

Now you are saying that I am guessing and thinking the worst case scenario. I therefore suggest that you have a look at what Ronald Koeman actually said at his St. Marys press conference. He most definitely did not mention that he came to Saints for the money!!! Ron did, however, talk about what he will be doing in his new job!!!

Are you able to read minds? How else could you tell that I am thinking the worst case scenario? Not so, my friend, not so. I am an optimist and I am an achiever. Negativity is a defeatist mentality. I have come a long way from very lowly beginnings. I am interested only in best case scenarios!!! Why would worst case scenarios be of any interest to anyone? That is a weird way of looking at life, let alone at football.
Erm , your getting mixed up here . I said none of that . Re-read please
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: @just a saints fan One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ? You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then . Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Continuation . . . . . . . (Sorry, my partial reply somehow sent itself! Lol!) As I was saying, MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have employed a manager with a better CV than MoPo. I wasn't born yesterday. Of course Ronald Koeman is being well paid. MoPo was also well paid. He left Saints for reasons other than money. I think Ron joined Saints partly because he enjoys improving individual players and teams. He is probably quite well off anyway because of his long career in football. I therefore think he came to Southampton largely because he wants the two new challenges of improving Saints and managing in the Premier League. I think the guy was seeking fresh motivation. As you reckon Ron is merely here for the money, perhaps you would have to have been born yesterday to believe something so simple! Ron wants to pit his wits in one of the best leagues in club football. I have not portrayed Ronald Koeman as a loyal, wonderful guy. I have also not written that MoPo is a Judas. I have most certainly not shown any immaturity. Personal insults never win debates!!![/p][/quote]I was generalizing about peoples hypocritical and immature attitude to pochettino . I have no idea if you have shared these thoughts or not , so i was not calling you immature , i was calling the reaction to his departure immature . All your talk of Koeman 'wanting to pit his wits '...'fresh motivation ' etc etc is pure conjecture . Its far more likely the huge increase in wages are the answer . Or dont you think Koeman would have fancied 'pitting his wits ' against Europes best in the champions league ? Or would Koeman not have the 'motivation' to try and win the league with a club close to his heart ?? Oh no , of course not , he would rather join a mid table English club who have sold their best players ? ...Yep sure !!![/p][/quote]Whatever the real reason is, you don't know, you are only guessing and thinking the worst case scenario, we don't know either, but we are trusting and hoping, that is the difference.[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Now you are saying that I am guessing and thinking the worst case scenario. I therefore suggest that you have a look at what Ronald Koeman actually said at his St. Marys press conference. He most definitely did not mention that he came to Saints for the money!!! Ron did, however, talk about what he will be doing in his new job!!! Are you able to read minds? How else could you tell that I am thinking the worst case scenario? Not so, my friend, not so. I am an optimist and I am an achiever. Negativity is a defeatist mentality. I have come a long way from very lowly beginnings. I am interested only in best case scenarios!!! Why would worst case scenarios be of any interest to anyone? That is a weird way of looking at life, let alone at football.[/p][/quote]Erm , your getting mixed up here . I said none of that . Re-read please jasons odd
  • Score: 3

5:49pm Sun 20 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
@just a saints fan

One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ?

You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then .

Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe

I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature
jasons odd,

Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em
jasons odd,

Continuation . . . . . . .

(Sorry, my partial reply somehow sent itself! Lol!)

As I was saying, MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have employed a manager with a better CV than MoPo.

I wasn't born yesterday. Of course Ronald Koeman is being well paid. MoPo was also well paid. He left Saints for reasons other than money. I think Ron joined Saints partly because he enjoys improving individual players and teams. He is probably quite well off anyway because of his long career in football. I therefore think he came to Southampton largely because he wants the two new challenges of improving Saints and managing in the Premier League. I think the guy was seeking fresh motivation. As you reckon Ron is merely here for the money, perhaps you would have to have been born yesterday to believe something so simple! Ron wants to pit his wits in one of the best leagues in club football.

I have not portrayed Ronald Koeman as a loyal, wonderful guy. I have also not written that MoPo is a Judas.

I have most certainly not shown any immaturity. Personal insults never win debates!!!
I was generalizing about peoples hypocritical and immature attitude to pochettino . I have no idea if you have shared these thoughts or not , so i was not calling you immature , i was calling the reaction to his departure immature .

All your talk of Koeman 'wanting to pit his wits '...'fresh motivation ' etc etc is pure conjecture . Its far more likely the huge increase in wages are the answer .

Or dont you think Koeman would have fancied 'pitting his wits ' against Europes best in the champions league ?

Or would Koeman not have the 'motivation' to try and win the league with a club close to his heart ??

Oh no , of course not , he would rather join a mid table English club who have sold their best players ? ...Yep sure !!!
Whatever the real reason is, you don't know, you are only guessing and thinking the worst case scenario, we don't know either, but we are trusting and hoping, that is the difference.
jasons odd,

Now you are saying that I am guessing and thinking the worst case scenario. I therefore suggest that you have a look at what Ronald Koeman actually said at his St. Marys press conference. He most definitely did not mention that he came to Saints for the money!!! Ron did, however, talk about what he will be doing in his new job!!!

Are you able to read minds? How else could you tell that I am thinking the worst case scenario? Not so, my friend, not so. I am an optimist and I am an achiever. Negativity is a defeatist mentality. I have come a long way from very lowly beginnings. I am interested only in best case scenarios!!! Why would worst case scenarios be of any interest to anyone? That is a weird way of looking at life, let alone at football.
OSPREYSAINT,

Firstly I send my apology to jasons odd, as my reply should have been to you!

If you are, indeed, a mind reader, perhaps you can tell us all why Paul Williams and Jason Dodd were sacked by Saints.

Are my spelling and grammar all right? Lol!
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: @just a saints fan One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ? You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then . Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Continuation . . . . . . . (Sorry, my partial reply somehow sent itself! Lol!) As I was saying, MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have employed a manager with a better CV than MoPo. I wasn't born yesterday. Of course Ronald Koeman is being well paid. MoPo was also well paid. He left Saints for reasons other than money. I think Ron joined Saints partly because he enjoys improving individual players and teams. He is probably quite well off anyway because of his long career in football. I therefore think he came to Southampton largely because he wants the two new challenges of improving Saints and managing in the Premier League. I think the guy was seeking fresh motivation. As you reckon Ron is merely here for the money, perhaps you would have to have been born yesterday to believe something so simple! Ron wants to pit his wits in one of the best leagues in club football. I have not portrayed Ronald Koeman as a loyal, wonderful guy. I have also not written that MoPo is a Judas. I have most certainly not shown any immaturity. Personal insults never win debates!!![/p][/quote]I was generalizing about peoples hypocritical and immature attitude to pochettino . I have no idea if you have shared these thoughts or not , so i was not calling you immature , i was calling the reaction to his departure immature . All your talk of Koeman 'wanting to pit his wits '...'fresh motivation ' etc etc is pure conjecture . Its far more likely the huge increase in wages are the answer . Or dont you think Koeman would have fancied 'pitting his wits ' against Europes best in the champions league ? Or would Koeman not have the 'motivation' to try and win the league with a club close to his heart ?? Oh no , of course not , he would rather join a mid table English club who have sold their best players ? ...Yep sure !!![/p][/quote]Whatever the real reason is, you don't know, you are only guessing and thinking the worst case scenario, we don't know either, but we are trusting and hoping, that is the difference.[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Now you are saying that I am guessing and thinking the worst case scenario. I therefore suggest that you have a look at what Ronald Koeman actually said at his St. Marys press conference. He most definitely did not mention that he came to Saints for the money!!! Ron did, however, talk about what he will be doing in his new job!!! Are you able to read minds? How else could you tell that I am thinking the worst case scenario? Not so, my friend, not so. I am an optimist and I am an achiever. Negativity is a defeatist mentality. I have come a long way from very lowly beginnings. I am interested only in best case scenarios!!! Why would worst case scenarios be of any interest to anyone? That is a weird way of looking at life, let alone at football.[/p][/quote]OSPREYSAINT, Firstly I send my apology to jasons odd, as my reply should have been to you! If you are, indeed, a mind reader, perhaps you can tell us all why Paul Williams and Jason Dodd were sacked by Saints. Are my spelling and grammar all right? Lol! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: -3

5:52pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

jasons odd wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
peregrine73 wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
NC Fan4Life,

You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches.

Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt.

Up the Saints!!!
Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon!
peregrine73,

Your opinion is flawed for two very obvious reasons. I believe I read that money from player sales has not gone to Katharina, but has been made available for player purchases. There is also the little matter of Saints having recently brought Ronald Koeman to the club. He is the highest profile manager in the history of Saints.

You are right that it is time to realise something. It is time to realise that the signing of Ronald Koeman as manager should be more than sufficient proof to the doom mongers that Southampton FC is an ambitious club that is being run within its means.

Do you believe that Katharina is stupid? I don't. Only a fool would dismantle the club, thus definitely decreasing its value. As always, Southampton FC's business is conducted in private, with the sole aim of benefitting the club. Remarkable progress has been made by Saints for five seasons. Much is being done at St. Marys to continue that progress. Players are always bought or sold at this time of year. Transfers out do not mean that the club is being dismantled, but as you think that is the case, I would be interested in your opinion on why Saints now have such a high profile manager and have already started buying in players, with Ron's approval. Any more player arrivals or departures that happen will obviously be with Ron's full knowledge and with the aim of improving the squad.

I am optimistic about next season. I leave all the worrying to the doom monger neggie veggies!!!
How is appointing koeman proof we are ambitious ????

Koeman was a high profile player , but has a very poor record as a manager . This is his 8th job in 14 years , he has never lasted very long anywhere ...is NOT highly regarded as a manager ....and NO top clubs were chasing him

Its not proof at all . Some might suggest the opposite
peregrine73,

For your information, Ronald Koeman has three times been a title winning manager with Dutch football clubs and also managed cup winning teams in the Netherlands and Spain. Three titles annd two cups as a club manager since the year 2000 is actually a very good record. Your assessment that Ron's record as a manager is very poor is therefore fatally flawed. There are none so blind as those who will not see. I suggest you read about Ron's managerial honours on Wikipedia.

Even the most successful club managers tend to manage several clubs in their careers and Ronald Koeman is no exception. These days it is a fact of football manager life.

Ron has actually managed top European clubs. He has said that he is at Southampton FC to help the development of the club. Ron is a very well respected club manager and his CV proves that he has earned that respect.

The facts in Ron's career as a club manager completely defeat your baseless, entirely negative opinion.

By the way, as a player, Ron was apparently the highest scoring defender in world football. Perhaps he will improve the goal scoring of our defenders.

I am just a Saints fan. I query what you are!!!
@just a saints fan

Cherry picking which stats you use , while ignoring other facts doesn't make you a better fan than anyone else ...It just makes you seem ridiculous .

Ronald koeman has a dreadful managerial record ..lets have a look at facts

1st job . Vitesse . 1 season finished 6th , quit to join bigger club (not much loyalty there)

2nd job . Ajax . Biggest club in Holland . Won the double season 1 . Good start . Nothing in season 2 . title in season 3 . season 4 was a disaster , way behind in title race and early exits from all cups left fans demanding a change . Under pressure he resigned before being sacked .
overall - 2 titles and 1 cup in 4 seasons at the biggest club is just about acceptable ...Not great though

3rd job . Benfica -DISASTER - 1 season , finished 3rd which is disgraceful for Benfica and poor efforts in cups .

4th job PSV . 1 season , won title , barely , came in for severe criticism for second half season capitulation . Quit again under pressure from board

5th job Valencia . 1 season , disaster of a league campaign , nearly got Valencia relegated . Won cup but was still SACKED in April with Valencia in trouble

6th job . AZ . Taking over the champions he had a disasterous campaign , AZ were mid table . SACKED before Christmas

7th job .Feyenoord . 3 seasons , did a reasonable job getting feyenoord to 2nd . Feyenoord are one of the big 3 so it was to be expected



Koeman has failed in nearly every job except Vitesse and Feyenoord . His 2 forays into foreign leagues have been disasterous . He is NOT considered a top manager and only his name has got him his managerial appointments


We all hope koeman has improved and will be successful ...but lets not kid ourselves he is this great manager ...because he is NOT . A guy with his record should not have got our job
Marginally better than Pochettino then?
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ?[/p][/quote]NC Fan4Life, You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches. Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon![/p][/quote]peregrine73, Your opinion is flawed for two very obvious reasons. I believe I read that money from player sales has not gone to Katharina, but has been made available for player purchases. There is also the little matter of Saints having recently brought Ronald Koeman to the club. He is the highest profile manager in the history of Saints. You are right that it is time to realise something. It is time to realise that the signing of Ronald Koeman as manager should be more than sufficient proof to the doom mongers that Southampton FC is an ambitious club that is being run within its means. Do you believe that Katharina is stupid? I don't. Only a fool would dismantle the club, thus definitely decreasing its value. As always, Southampton FC's business is conducted in private, with the sole aim of benefitting the club. Remarkable progress has been made by Saints for five seasons. Much is being done at St. Marys to continue that progress. Players are always bought or sold at this time of year. Transfers out do not mean that the club is being dismantled, but as you think that is the case, I would be interested in your opinion on why Saints now have such a high profile manager and have already started buying in players, with Ron's approval. Any more player arrivals or departures that happen will obviously be with Ron's full knowledge and with the aim of improving the squad. I am optimistic about next season. I leave all the worrying to the doom monger neggie veggies!!![/p][/quote]How is appointing koeman proof we are ambitious ???? Koeman was a high profile player , but has a very poor record as a manager . This is his 8th job in 14 years , he has never lasted very long anywhere ...is NOT highly regarded as a manager ....and NO top clubs were chasing him Its not proof at all . Some might suggest the opposite[/p][/quote]peregrine73, For your information, Ronald Koeman has three times been a title winning manager with Dutch football clubs and also managed cup winning teams in the Netherlands and Spain. Three titles annd two cups as a club manager since the year 2000 is actually a very good record. Your assessment that Ron's record as a manager is very poor is therefore fatally flawed. There are none so blind as those who will not see. I suggest you read about Ron's managerial honours on Wikipedia. Even the most successful club managers tend to manage several clubs in their careers and Ronald Koeman is no exception. These days it is a fact of football manager life. Ron has actually managed top European clubs. He has said that he is at Southampton FC to help the development of the club. Ron is a very well respected club manager and his CV proves that he has earned that respect. The facts in Ron's career as a club manager completely defeat your baseless, entirely negative opinion. By the way, as a player, Ron was apparently the highest scoring defender in world football. Perhaps he will improve the goal scoring of our defenders. I am just a Saints fan. I query what you are!!![/p][/quote]@just a saints fan Cherry picking which stats you use , while ignoring other facts doesn't make you a better fan than anyone else ...It just makes you seem ridiculous . Ronald koeman has a dreadful managerial record ..lets have a look at facts 1st job . Vitesse . 1 season finished 6th , quit to join bigger club (not much loyalty there) 2nd job . Ajax . Biggest club in Holland . Won the double season 1 . Good start . Nothing in season 2 . title in season 3 . season 4 was a disaster , way behind in title race and early exits from all cups left fans demanding a change . Under pressure he resigned before being sacked . overall - 2 titles and 1 cup in 4 seasons at the biggest club is just about acceptable ...Not great though 3rd job . Benfica -DISASTER - 1 season , finished 3rd which is disgraceful for Benfica and poor efforts in cups . 4th job PSV . 1 season , won title , barely , came in for severe criticism for second half season capitulation . Quit again under pressure from board 5th job Valencia . 1 season , disaster of a league campaign , nearly got Valencia relegated . Won cup but was still SACKED in April with Valencia in trouble 6th job . AZ . Taking over the champions he had a disasterous campaign , AZ were mid table . SACKED before Christmas 7th job .Feyenoord . 3 seasons , did a reasonable job getting feyenoord to 2nd . Feyenoord are one of the big 3 so it was to be expected Koeman has failed in nearly every job except Vitesse and Feyenoord . His 2 forays into foreign leagues have been disasterous . He is NOT considered a top manager and only his name has got him his managerial appointments We all hope koeman has improved and will be successful ...but lets not kid ourselves he is this great manager ...because he is NOT . A guy with his record should not have got our job[/p][/quote]Marginally better than Pochettino then? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -2

5:55pm Sun 20 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

jasons odd wrote:
Spudsaint wrote:
As always I'm looking forward to the new season but as I've said on here before it will be with a fair amount of trepidation and disappointment. I don't expect Morgan, Dejan, Jack and J-Rod to be at the club when the window closes. Osvaldo will be loaned out and I expect others like Gaston and Clyne to be encouraging their agents to engineer a move ASAP (who can blame them). There will be a handful of reinforcements but nothing to replace the quality we have in the squad. We will rely heavily on youth and cheap imports, and probably be targeting a finish above the drop zone. Nothing I've seen to date convinces me that the ownership have anything more in mind than realising their assets and waiting for the right opportunity to move the club on, presumably whilst we still have the attraction of a Premier League 'franchise' and state of the art academy. This is why Cortese and ultimately Pochettino moved on. The senior players know this and is why those who can command a higher offer elsewhere are voting with their feet. I know that we're all grateful to the Liebherrs for rescuing the club but I don't sense the drive and ambition present any more. Its a real shame given to where we reached last season. That said, I will be supporting the Saints as I have done since 1976 and will continue to support them whatever division we are in.
This sums up exactly my thinking .

Its REALITY - not positivity nor negativity ...REALITY ( something in short supply on this site )
I agree, actions speak louder than words and offering Koeman a lartge pay packet to keep us up seems about it, nothing and I mean nothing the board have done to date suggests shooting for the top….

..yes the players ARE mercenary but for them ALL (5 at least for god's sake) to state a similar line not including including Poch's assistant is devastating…boards of all colours never tell the fans their true intentions..are we any different, personally I think we are somewhere between asset stripping and incompetance than aiming for the stars..
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spudsaint[/bold] wrote: As always I'm looking forward to the new season but as I've said on here before it will be with a fair amount of trepidation and disappointment. I don't expect Morgan, Dejan, Jack and J-Rod to be at the club when the window closes. Osvaldo will be loaned out and I expect others like Gaston and Clyne to be encouraging their agents to engineer a move ASAP (who can blame them). There will be a handful of reinforcements but nothing to replace the quality we have in the squad. We will rely heavily on youth and cheap imports, and probably be targeting a finish above the drop zone. Nothing I've seen to date convinces me that the ownership have anything more in mind than realising their assets and waiting for the right opportunity to move the club on, presumably whilst we still have the attraction of a Premier League 'franchise' and state of the art academy. This is why Cortese and ultimately Pochettino moved on. The senior players know this and is why those who can command a higher offer elsewhere are voting with their feet. I know that we're all grateful to the Liebherrs for rescuing the club but I don't sense the drive and ambition present any more. Its a real shame given to where we reached last season. That said, I will be supporting the Saints as I have done since 1976 and will continue to support them whatever division we are in.[/p][/quote]This sums up exactly my thinking . Its REALITY - not positivity nor negativity ...REALITY ( something in short supply on this site )[/p][/quote]I agree, actions speak louder than words and offering Koeman a lartge pay packet to keep us up seems about it, nothing and I mean nothing the board have done to date suggests shooting for the top…. ..yes the players ARE mercenary but for them ALL (5 at least for god's sake) to state a similar line not including including Poch's assistant is devastating…boards of all colours never tell the fans their true intentions..are we any different, personally I think we are somewhere between asset stripping and incompetance than aiming for the stars.. warrens 76
  • Score: 3

6:14pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Chapperall wrote:
Just listening to Talk sport and they saw Southampton being down there in the relegation zone this season due to the loss of our best players and still the uncertainty of losing more. What made it even worse they were talking about teams like Hull being mid table and Saints in the bottom section with the likes of QPR , Burnley etc. I personally found this difficult to listen to after the accolades we were getting last season.
Although I want to remin positive having received my season tickets yesterday I am actually quite worried about the season ahead. It's only a matter of weeks to go before the season starts and we are lacking in depth and have not reinforced the positions we struggled in last season, decent goalkeeper to support Boruc as Gaza is nowhere near a premiership goalkeeper, secondly centre back I even if Lovren stays we don't have a decent replacement. I could go on here but do others feel like this or is this just me having a bad day?
Watching Ron's last interview I found it encouraging as he definitely said there are more players coming in,and I also love his new catch phrase "Goals means points!"
Relax.
[quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Just listening to Talk sport and they saw Southampton being down there in the relegation zone this season due to the loss of our best players and still the uncertainty of losing more. What made it even worse they were talking about teams like Hull being mid table and Saints in the bottom section with the likes of QPR , Burnley etc. I personally found this difficult to listen to after the accolades we were getting last season. Although I want to remin positive having received my season tickets yesterday I am actually quite worried about the season ahead. It's only a matter of weeks to go before the season starts and we are lacking in depth and have not reinforced the positions we struggled in last season, decent goalkeeper to support Boruc as Gaza is nowhere near a premiership goalkeeper, secondly centre back I even if Lovren stays we don't have a decent replacement. I could go on here but do others feel like this or is this just me having a bad day?[/p][/quote]Watching Ron's last interview I found it encouraging as he definitely said there are more players coming in,and I also love his new catch phrase "Goals means points!" Relax. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

6:18pm Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
@just a saints fan

One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ?

You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then .

Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe

I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature
jasons odd,

Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em
jasons odd,

Continuation . . . . . . .

(Sorry, my partial reply somehow sent itself! Lol!)

As I was saying, MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have employed a manager with a better CV than MoPo.

I wasn't born yesterday. Of course Ronald Koeman is being well paid. MoPo was also well paid. He left Saints for reasons other than money. I think Ron joined Saints partly because he enjoys improving individual players and teams. He is probably quite well off anyway because of his long career in football. I therefore think he came to Southampton largely because he wants the two new challenges of improving Saints and managing in the Premier League. I think the guy was seeking fresh motivation. As you reckon Ron is merely here for the money, perhaps you would have to have been born yesterday to believe something so simple! Ron wants to pit his wits in one of the best leagues in club football.

I have not portrayed Ronald Koeman as a loyal, wonderful guy. I have also not written that MoPo is a Judas.

I have most certainly not shown any immaturity. Personal insults never win debates!!!
I was generalizing about peoples hypocritical and immature attitude to pochettino . I have no idea if you have shared these thoughts or not , so i was not calling you immature , i was calling the reaction to his departure immature .

All your talk of Koeman 'wanting to pit his wits '...'fresh motivation ' etc etc is pure conjecture . Its far more likely the huge increase in wages are the answer .

Or dont you think Koeman would have fancied 'pitting his wits ' against Europes best in the champions league ?

Or would Koeman not have the 'motivation' to try and win the league with a club close to his heart ??

Oh no , of course not , he would rather join a mid table English club who have sold their best players ? ...Yep sure !!!
Whatever the real reason is, you don't know, you are only guessing and thinking the worst case scenario, we don't know either, but we are trusting and hoping, that is the difference.
jasons odd,

Now you are saying that I am guessing and thinking the worst case scenario. I therefore suggest that you have a look at what Ronald Koeman actually said at his St. Marys press conference. He most definitely did not mention that he came to Saints for the money!!! Ron did, however, talk about what he will be doing in his new job!!!

Are you able to read minds? How else could you tell that I am thinking the worst case scenario? Not so, my friend, not so. I am an optimist and I am an achiever. Negativity is a defeatist mentality. I have come a long way from very lowly beginnings. I am interested only in best case scenarios!!! Why would worst case scenarios be of any interest to anyone? That is a weird way of looking at life, let alone at football.
OSPREYSAINT,

Firstly I send my apology to jasons odd, as my reply should have been to you!

If you are, indeed, a mind reader, perhaps you can tell us all why Paul Williams and Jason Dodd were sacked by Saints.

Are my spelling and grammar all right? Lol!
No, I am not a mind reader, I can't think what I said that gave you that impression? Nor do I know why JD and PW got the elbow, again there was speculation that there had been some sort of impropriety, but you know as well as I do, the Club deals with these matters from within, it may have just been some unsatisfactory results, or the Club had someone better in mind. No good asking me I know a lot of things, but I am not ITK in the internal workings of the Club itself, even if I was I wouldn't post it on here.
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: @just a saints fan One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ? You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then . Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Continuation . . . . . . . (Sorry, my partial reply somehow sent itself! Lol!) As I was saying, MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have employed a manager with a better CV than MoPo. I wasn't born yesterday. Of course Ronald Koeman is being well paid. MoPo was also well paid. He left Saints for reasons other than money. I think Ron joined Saints partly because he enjoys improving individual players and teams. He is probably quite well off anyway because of his long career in football. I therefore think he came to Southampton largely because he wants the two new challenges of improving Saints and managing in the Premier League. I think the guy was seeking fresh motivation. As you reckon Ron is merely here for the money, perhaps you would have to have been born yesterday to believe something so simple! Ron wants to pit his wits in one of the best leagues in club football. I have not portrayed Ronald Koeman as a loyal, wonderful guy. I have also not written that MoPo is a Judas. I have most certainly not shown any immaturity. Personal insults never win debates!!![/p][/quote]I was generalizing about peoples hypocritical and immature attitude to pochettino . I have no idea if you have shared these thoughts or not , so i was not calling you immature , i was calling the reaction to his departure immature . All your talk of Koeman 'wanting to pit his wits '...'fresh motivation ' etc etc is pure conjecture . Its far more likely the huge increase in wages are the answer . Or dont you think Koeman would have fancied 'pitting his wits ' against Europes best in the champions league ? Or would Koeman not have the 'motivation' to try and win the league with a club close to his heart ?? Oh no , of course not , he would rather join a mid table English club who have sold their best players ? ...Yep sure !!![/p][/quote]Whatever the real reason is, you don't know, you are only guessing and thinking the worst case scenario, we don't know either, but we are trusting and hoping, that is the difference.[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Now you are saying that I am guessing and thinking the worst case scenario. I therefore suggest that you have a look at what Ronald Koeman actually said at his St. Marys press conference. He most definitely did not mention that he came to Saints for the money!!! Ron did, however, talk about what he will be doing in his new job!!! Are you able to read minds? How else could you tell that I am thinking the worst case scenario? Not so, my friend, not so. I am an optimist and I am an achiever. Negativity is a defeatist mentality. I have come a long way from very lowly beginnings. I am interested only in best case scenarios!!! Why would worst case scenarios be of any interest to anyone? That is a weird way of looking at life, let alone at football.[/p][/quote]OSPREYSAINT, Firstly I send my apology to jasons odd, as my reply should have been to you! If you are, indeed, a mind reader, perhaps you can tell us all why Paul Williams and Jason Dodd were sacked by Saints. Are my spelling and grammar all right? Lol![/p][/quote]No, I am not a mind reader, I can't think what I said that gave you that impression? Nor do I know why JD and PW got the elbow, again there was speculation that there had been some sort of impropriety, but you know as well as I do, the Club deals with these matters from within, it may have just been some unsatisfactory results, or the Club had someone better in mind. No good asking me I know a lot of things, but I am not ITK in the internal workings of the Club itself, even if I was I wouldn't post it on here. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

6:21pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

Wow! This is indeed a tragic day for this site - I have never seen so much trash written in one place since I last picked up a copy of the Daily Mail. I just don't understand this idea that people think we are still being asset stripped; if they were doing that then why spend 19 million on two players!? Is this site really about the Saints now or just a chance for a few sad people to slag off the so called 'happy clappers?'
Wow! This is indeed a tragic day for this site - I have never seen so much trash written in one place since I last picked up a copy of the Daily Mail. I just don't understand this idea that people think we are still being asset stripped; if they were doing that then why spend 19 million on two players!? Is this site really about the Saints now or just a chance for a few sad people to slag off the so called 'happy clappers?' Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 0

6:25pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
peregrine73 wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses.

VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren.
Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !!

No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !!
However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy !

Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on !

Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true,
as I am sure all Saints fans will be.

Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out.

WHAT IS GOING ON ?
NC Fan4Life,

You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches.

Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt.

Up the Saints!!!
Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon!
peregrine73,

Your opinion is flawed for two very obvious reasons. I believe I read that money from player sales has not gone to Katharina, but has been made available for player purchases. There is also the little matter of Saints having recently brought Ronald Koeman to the club. He is the highest profile manager in the history of Saints.

You are right that it is time to realise something. It is time to realise that the signing of Ronald Koeman as manager should be more than sufficient proof to the doom mongers that Southampton FC is an ambitious club that is being run within its means.

Do you believe that Katharina is stupid? I don't. Only a fool would dismantle the club, thus definitely decreasing its value. As always, Southampton FC's business is conducted in private, with the sole aim of benefitting the club. Remarkable progress has been made by Saints for five seasons. Much is being done at St. Marys to continue that progress. Players are always bought or sold at this time of year. Transfers out do not mean that the club is being dismantled, but as you think that is the case, I would be interested in your opinion on why Saints now have such a high profile manager and have already started buying in players, with Ron's approval. Any more player arrivals or departures that happen will obviously be with Ron's full knowledge and with the aim of improving the squad.

I am optimistic about next season. I leave all the worrying to the doom monger neggie veggies!!!
How is appointing koeman proof we are ambitious ????

Koeman was a high profile player , but has a very poor record as a manager . This is his 8th job in 14 years , he has never lasted very long anywhere ...is NOT highly regarded as a manager ....and NO top clubs were chasing him

Its not proof at all . Some might suggest the opposite
peregrine73,

For your information, Ronald Koeman has three times been a title winning manager with Dutch football clubs and also managed cup winning teams in the Netherlands and Spain. Three titles annd two cups as a club manager since the year 2000 is actually a very good record. Your assessment that Ron's record as a manager is very poor is therefore fatally flawed. There are none so blind as those who will not see. I suggest you read about Ron's managerial honours on Wikipedia.

Even the most successful club managers tend to manage several clubs in their careers and Ronald Koeman is no exception. These days it is a fact of football manager life.

Ron has actually managed top European clubs. He has said that he is at Southampton FC to help the development of the club. Ron is a very well respected club manager and his CV proves that he has earned that respect.

The facts in Ron's career as a club manager completely defeat your baseless, entirely negative opinion.

By the way, as a player, Ron was apparently the highest scoring defender in world football. Perhaps he will improve the goal scoring of our defenders.

I am just a Saints fan. I query what you are!!!
@just a saints fan

Cherry picking which stats you use , while ignoring other facts doesn't make you a better fan than anyone else ...It just makes you seem ridiculous .

Ronald koeman has a dreadful managerial record ..lets have a look at facts

1st job . Vitesse . 1 season finished 6th , quit to join bigger club (not much loyalty there)

2nd job . Ajax . Biggest club in Holland . Won the double season 1 . Good start . Nothing in season 2 . title in season 3 . season 4 was a disaster , way behind in title race and early exits from all cups left fans demanding a change . Under pressure he resigned before being sacked .
overall - 2 titles and 1 cup in 4 seasons at the biggest club is just about acceptable ...Not great though

3rd job . Benfica -DISASTER - 1 season , finished 3rd which is disgraceful for Benfica and poor efforts in cups .

4th job PSV . 1 season , won title , barely , came in for severe criticism for second half season capitulation . Quit again under pressure from board

5th job Valencia . 1 season , disaster of a league campaign , nearly got Valencia relegated . Won cup but was still SACKED in April with Valencia in trouble

6th job . AZ . Taking over the champions he had a disasterous campaign , AZ were mid table . SACKED before Christmas

7th job .Feyenoord . 3 seasons , did a reasonable job getting feyenoord to 2nd . Feyenoord are one of the big 3 so it was to be expected



Koeman has failed in nearly every job except Vitesse and Feyenoord . His 2 forays into foreign leagues have been disasterous . He is NOT considered a top manager and only his name has got him his managerial appointments


We all hope koeman has improved and will be successful ...but lets not kid ourselves he is this great manager ...because he is NOT . A guy with his record should not have got our job
Marginally better than Pochettino then?
@Jasons odd - who would you have appointed then?
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Just heard that Inter are back showing interest in Osvaldo but only on loan, which means we won't get any transfer funds and his value will have decreased by this time next year, so best use him in a part exchange and cut our losses. VERY CONCERNED at reports that we are in negotiations with Arsenal to sell Morgan. They have only offered £15m but alarmingly we only value him at £18m !! Arsenal are also asking about Chambers & Lovren. Also West Brom are talking about Jack Cork !! No wonder we don't have any news about new signings, it appears that Les is to busy selling !! However we have enquired about Leicester's 27 yr old Striker Vardy ! Difficult so see how we think we will have an improved team to do better than last season at this rate ! Maybe the Koeman Brothers will be putting their boots back on ! Hope these reports are just rumors but there are several sources reporting it. I feel sorry for RonKo who must wonder what his new employers are doing, and personally I will be absolutely steaming if true, as I am sure all Saints fans will be. Time for another statement Ralph or Les, possibly more departures and still no more arrivals yet ? The URGENT 5 better players looks like becoming 8 and time is running out. WHAT IS GOING ON ?[/p][/quote]NC Fan4Life, You are wondering what is going on. Saints have a new manager and coaches. Our new manager has been in the job for very little time and has already bought in two players of his choice. Buying players takes time. Ronald Koeman seems to be doing fine. Les Reed seems to be doing fine. Southampton FC is busily preparing for the new season, including working very hard to bring quality new players to St. Marys. The club never conducts any of its business in public, so the best thing we fans can do is to be patient. The pre season is progressing and our players are getting to know their new coaches. Some so called Saints fans are already writing off Graziano Pelle as not being good enough. I wonder what they thought of Rickie Lambert before he had ever played in any Premier League matches. Rickie turned out to be plenty good enough! I trust Ronald Koeman's judgement. Saints years ago had a player called Ted MacDougall, who wasn't the world's best footballer, but certainly was a good scorer of goals. Graziano Pelle scored many goals in Dutch football, so I reckon he knows how to hit the target. Saints fans will make it easier for him and for the club by giving their support. I always support the Saints, regardless of who is wearing the shirt. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]Its time to realise that we are still in the process of selling off the team from last season,after all the more we get for the players the bigger the return for the owner!.There is no more money for transfers,this has been a big smoke screen,the club is being dismantled. Time to prepare for big changes,and there not for the good of football.Its going to take a long time to rebuild,Championship football looms just over the horizon![/p][/quote]peregrine73, Your opinion is flawed for two very obvious reasons. I believe I read that money from player sales has not gone to Katharina, but has been made available for player purchases. There is also the little matter of Saints having recently brought Ronald Koeman to the club. He is the highest profile manager in the history of Saints. You are right that it is time to realise something. It is time to realise that the signing of Ronald Koeman as manager should be more than sufficient proof to the doom mongers that Southampton FC is an ambitious club that is being run within its means. Do you believe that Katharina is stupid? I don't. Only a fool would dismantle the club, thus definitely decreasing its value. As always, Southampton FC's business is conducted in private, with the sole aim of benefitting the club. Remarkable progress has been made by Saints for five seasons. Much is being done at St. Marys to continue that progress. Players are always bought or sold at this time of year. Transfers out do not mean that the club is being dismantled, but as you think that is the case, I would be interested in your opinion on why Saints now have such a high profile manager and have already started buying in players, with Ron's approval. Any more player arrivals or departures that happen will obviously be with Ron's full knowledge and with the aim of improving the squad. I am optimistic about next season. I leave all the worrying to the doom monger neggie veggies!!![/p][/quote]How is appointing koeman proof we are ambitious ???? Koeman was a high profile player , but has a very poor record as a manager . This is his 8th job in 14 years , he has never lasted very long anywhere ...is NOT highly regarded as a manager ....and NO top clubs were chasing him Its not proof at all . Some might suggest the opposite[/p][/quote]peregrine73, For your information, Ronald Koeman has three times been a title winning manager with Dutch football clubs and also managed cup winning teams in the Netherlands and Spain. Three titles annd two cups as a club manager since the year 2000 is actually a very good record. Your assessment that Ron's record as a manager is very poor is therefore fatally flawed. There are none so blind as those who will not see. I suggest you read about Ron's managerial honours on Wikipedia. Even the most successful club managers tend to manage several clubs in their careers and Ronald Koeman is no exception. These days it is a fact of football manager life. Ron has actually managed top European clubs. He has said that he is at Southampton FC to help the development of the club. Ron is a very well respected club manager and his CV proves that he has earned that respect. The facts in Ron's career as a club manager completely defeat your baseless, entirely negative opinion. By the way, as a player, Ron was apparently the highest scoring defender in world football. Perhaps he will improve the goal scoring of our defenders. I am just a Saints fan. I query what you are!!![/p][/quote]@just a saints fan Cherry picking which stats you use , while ignoring other facts doesn't make you a better fan than anyone else ...It just makes you seem ridiculous . Ronald koeman has a dreadful managerial record ..lets have a look at facts 1st job . Vitesse . 1 season finished 6th , quit to join bigger club (not much loyalty there) 2nd job . Ajax . Biggest club in Holland . Won the double season 1 . Good start . Nothing in season 2 . title in season 3 . season 4 was a disaster , way behind in title race and early exits from all cups left fans demanding a change . Under pressure he resigned before being sacked . overall - 2 titles and 1 cup in 4 seasons at the biggest club is just about acceptable ...Not great though 3rd job . Benfica -DISASTER - 1 season , finished 3rd which is disgraceful for Benfica and poor efforts in cups . 4th job PSV . 1 season , won title , barely , came in for severe criticism for second half season capitulation . Quit again under pressure from board 5th job Valencia . 1 season , disaster of a league campaign , nearly got Valencia relegated . Won cup but was still SACKED in April with Valencia in trouble 6th job . AZ . Taking over the champions he had a disasterous campaign , AZ were mid table . SACKED before Christmas 7th job .Feyenoord . 3 seasons , did a reasonable job getting feyenoord to 2nd . Feyenoord are one of the big 3 so it was to be expected Koeman has failed in nearly every job except Vitesse and Feyenoord . His 2 forays into foreign leagues have been disasterous . He is NOT considered a top manager and only his name has got him his managerial appointments We all hope koeman has improved and will be successful ...but lets not kid ourselves he is this great manager ...because he is NOT . A guy with his record should not have got our job[/p][/quote]Marginally better than Pochettino then?[/p][/quote]@Jasons odd - who would you have appointed then? Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 2

6:28pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Oldfan says...

Osvaldo did nothing for Saints. He got a fluke against City but followed that by missing two easier chances later in the game. We would be doomed if we are going to rely on the likes of him and Lovren (why have we lost out on the proven Steven Caulker?) . However time is getting on and it seems that there is more news about possible sales rather than buys. If we can keep what we got (and Lovren commits ) then we are OK on balance as we are a left back down and can do mid table. Obviously we would prefer to know we are going to have a couple of better players lined up - but who would want to come if we are selling?
Osvaldo did nothing for Saints. He got a fluke against City but followed that by missing two easier chances later in the game. We would be doomed if we are going to rely on the likes of him and Lovren (why have we lost out on the proven Steven Caulker?) . However time is getting on and it seems that there is more news about possible sales rather than buys. If we can keep what we got (and Lovren commits ) then we are OK on balance as we are a left back down and can do mid table. Obviously we would prefer to know we are going to have a couple of better players lined up - but who would want to come if we are selling? Oldfan
  • Score: 0

6:30pm Sun 20 Jul 14

peregrine73 says...

Spudsaint wrote:
As always I'm looking forward to the new season but as I've said on here before it will be with a fair amount of trepidation and disappointment. I don't expect Morgan, Dejan, Jack and J-Rod to be at the club when the window closes. Osvaldo will be loaned out and I expect others like Gaston and Clyne to be encouraging their agents to engineer a move ASAP (who can blame them). There will be a handful of reinforcements but nothing to replace the quality we have in the squad. We will rely heavily on youth and cheap imports, and probably be targeting a finish above the drop zone. Nothing I've seen to date convinces me that the ownership have anything more in mind than realising their assets and waiting for the right opportunity to move the club on, presumably whilst we still have the attraction of a Premier League 'franchise' and state of the art academy. This is why Cortese and ultimately Pochettino moved on. The senior players know this and is why those who can command a higher offer elsewhere are voting with their feet. I know that we're all grateful to the Liebherrs for rescuing the club but I don't sense the drive and ambition present any more. Its a real shame given to where we reached last season. That said, I will be supporting the Saints as I have done since 1976 and will continue to support them whatever division we are in.
At last somebody who realises the reality of the situation. Staying up will be are priority, although with the greater part of last seasons team gone over the next few weeks its going to be tough and difficult to take on board.
[quote][p][bold]Spudsaint[/bold] wrote: As always I'm looking forward to the new season but as I've said on here before it will be with a fair amount of trepidation and disappointment. I don't expect Morgan, Dejan, Jack and J-Rod to be at the club when the window closes. Osvaldo will be loaned out and I expect others like Gaston and Clyne to be encouraging their agents to engineer a move ASAP (who can blame them). There will be a handful of reinforcements but nothing to replace the quality we have in the squad. We will rely heavily on youth and cheap imports, and probably be targeting a finish above the drop zone. Nothing I've seen to date convinces me that the ownership have anything more in mind than realising their assets and waiting for the right opportunity to move the club on, presumably whilst we still have the attraction of a Premier League 'franchise' and state of the art academy. This is why Cortese and ultimately Pochettino moved on. The senior players know this and is why those who can command a higher offer elsewhere are voting with their feet. I know that we're all grateful to the Liebherrs for rescuing the club but I don't sense the drive and ambition present any more. Its a real shame given to where we reached last season. That said, I will be supporting the Saints as I have done since 1976 and will continue to support them whatever division we are in.[/p][/quote]At last somebody who realises the reality of the situation. Staying up will be are priority, although with the greater part of last seasons team gone over the next few weeks its going to be tough and difficult to take on board. peregrine73
  • Score: 2

6:38pm Sun 20 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

jasons odd wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
@just a saints fan

One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ?

You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then .

Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe

I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature
jasons odd,

Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em
jasons odd,

Continuation . . . . . . .

(Sorry, my partial reply somehow sent itself! Lol!)

As I was saying, MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have employed a manager with a better CV than MoPo.

I wasn't born yesterday. Of course Ronald Koeman is being well paid. MoPo was also well paid. He left Saints for reasons other than money. I think Ron joined Saints partly because he enjoys improving individual players and teams. He is probably quite well off anyway because of his long career in football. I therefore think he came to Southampton largely because he wants the two new challenges of improving Saints and managing in the Premier League. I think the guy was seeking fresh motivation. As you reckon Ron is merely here for the money, perhaps you would have to have been born yesterday to believe something so simple! Ron wants to pit his wits in one of the best leagues in club football.

I have not portrayed Ronald Koeman as a loyal, wonderful guy. I have also not written that MoPo is a Judas.

I have most certainly not shown any immaturity. Personal insults never win debates!!!
I was generalizing about peoples hypocritical and immature attitude to pochettino . I have no idea if you have shared these thoughts or not , so i was not calling you immature , i was calling the reaction to his departure immature .

All your talk of Koeman 'wanting to pit his wits '...'fresh motivation ' etc etc is pure conjecture . Its far more likely the huge increase in wages are the answer .

Or dont you think Koeman would have fancied 'pitting his wits ' against Europes best in the champions league ?

Or would Koeman not have the 'motivation' to try and win the league with a club close to his heart ??

Oh no , of course not , he would rather join a mid table English club who have sold their best players ? ...Yep sure !!!
Whatever the real reason is, you don't know, you are only guessing and thinking the worst case scenario, we don't know either, but we are trusting and hoping, that is the difference.
jasons odd,

Now you are saying that I am guessing and thinking the worst case scenario. I therefore suggest that you have a look at what Ronald Koeman actually said at his St. Marys press conference. He most definitely did not mention that he came to Saints for the money!!! Ron did, however, talk about what he will be doing in his new job!!!

Are you able to read minds? How else could you tell that I am thinking the worst case scenario? Not so, my friend, not so. I am an optimist and I am an achiever. Negativity is a defeatist mentality. I have come a long way from very lowly beginnings. I am interested only in best case scenarios!!! Why would worst case scenarios be of any interest to anyone? That is a weird way of looking at life, let alone at football.
Erm , your getting mixed up here . I said none of that . Re-read please
jasons odd,

I had already redirected my words to OSPREYSAINT and, of course, included an apology for mistaken identity to you. I should have known better than to attempt multi tasking in a very busy household! Oops!
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: @just a saints fan One more thing if i may , you said koeman is here 'to help the development of our club' ... really ? You would have to be born yesterday to believe that . Koeman is here for the money . No different to pochettino then . Even mid table premier league clubs pay players and managers at least double what the big clubs do in Holland . Some could argue koeman is worse than pochettino for leaving a champions league club to join a team for money ...whereas pochettino joined a team in Europe I dont blame koeman or pochettino ...we all have to eat , but this portrayal of koeman as a loyal wonderful guy , and pochettino as a judas is hypocritical an d immature[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Ronald Koeman himself said that he wants to help the development of the club. Why not believe his words. Your thinking seems to be that he is merely going through the motions, just for the money. My view is that he is a professional, intending to improve Saints. Yes, of course he is being well paid, probably more than Mauricio Pochettino was paid. MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have em[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Continuation . . . . . . . (Sorry, my partial reply somehow sent itself! Lol!) As I was saying, MoPo turned down the offer of an improved contract, so Saints have employed a manager with a better CV than MoPo. I wasn't born yesterday. Of course Ronald Koeman is being well paid. MoPo was also well paid. He left Saints for reasons other than money. I think Ron joined Saints partly because he enjoys improving individual players and teams. He is probably quite well off anyway because of his long career in football. I therefore think he came to Southampton largely because he wants the two new challenges of improving Saints and managing in the Premier League. I think the guy was seeking fresh motivation. As you reckon Ron is merely here for the money, perhaps you would have to have been born yesterday to believe something so simple! Ron wants to pit his wits in one of the best leagues in club football. I have not portrayed Ronald Koeman as a loyal, wonderful guy. I have also not written that MoPo is a Judas. I have most certainly not shown any immaturity. Personal insults never win debates!!![/p][/quote]I was generalizing about peoples hypocritical and immature attitude to pochettino . I have no idea if you have shared these thoughts or not , so i was not calling you immature , i was calling the reaction to his departure immature . All your talk of Koeman 'wanting to pit his wits '...'fresh motivation ' etc etc is pure conjecture . Its far more likely the huge increase in wages are the answer . Or dont you think Koeman would have fancied 'pitting his wits ' against Europes best in the champions league ? Or would Koeman not have the 'motivation' to try and win the league with a club close to his heart ?? Oh no , of course not , he would rather join a mid table English club who have sold their best players ? ...Yep sure !!![/p][/quote]Whatever the real reason is, you don't know, you are only guessing and thinking the worst case scenario, we don't know either, but we are trusting and hoping, that is the difference.[/p][/quote]jasons odd, Now you are saying that I am guessing and thinking the worst case scenario. I therefore suggest that you have a look at what Ronald Koeman actually said at his St. Marys press conference. He most definitely did not mention that he came to Saints for the money!!! Ron did, however, talk about what he will be doing in his new job!!! Are you able to read minds? How else could you tell that I am thinking the worst case scenario? Not so, my friend, not so. I am an optimist and I am an achiever. Negativity is a defeatist mentality. I have come a long way from very lowly beginnings. I am interested only in best case scenarios!!! Why would worst case scenarios be of any interest to anyone? That is a weird way of looking at life, let alone at football.[/p][/quote]Erm , your getting mixed up here . I said none of that . Re-read please[/p][/quote]jasons odd, I had already redirected my words to OSPREYSAINT and, of course, included an apology for mistaken identity to you. I should have known better than to attempt multi tasking in a very busy household! Oops! justaSaintsfan
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6:45pm Sun 20 Jul 14

slugger says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
Invidia wrote:
Reading these posts remind me of my lectures at UNI Maslow's pyramid of Hierarchy in particular every one has their place we have on the one hand the so called happy clappers and we also have the so called neggies. I personally do not like to be labelled and put in a box, I believe that all opinions are valid maybe not necessarily correct but all valid. Seeing you know your way around google you may educate yourself and be more tolerant to others if you read it, you will see that all that is discussed on here falls into place according to his theories. Individuals/players motives etc can be accounted for.
Invidia,

Thank you so much for putting a new smile on my face! I enjoyed your interesting post!
Invidia = Cleverest Wum to ever post here , I promise you .
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: Reading these posts remind me of my lectures at UNI Maslow's pyramid of Hierarchy in particular every one has their place we have on the one hand the so called happy clappers and we also have the so called neggies. I personally do not like to be labelled and put in a box, I believe that all opinions are valid maybe not necessarily correct but all valid. Seeing you know your way around google you may educate yourself and be more tolerant to others if you read it, you will see that all that is discussed on here falls into place according to his theories. Individuals/players motives etc can be accounted for.[/p][/quote]Invidia, Thank you so much for putting a new smile on my face! I enjoyed your interesting post![/p][/quote]Invidia = Cleverest Wum to ever post here , I promise you . slugger
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6:46pm Sun 20 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
@just a sain