Dejan Lovren close to completing move from Southampton to Liverpool

Dejan Lovren with boss Ronald Koeman in training last week.

Dejan Lovren with boss Ronald Koeman in training last week.

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DEJAN Lovren could soon become the third Saints player to move to Liverpool this summer.

Reports in the centre half’s native Croatia suggest the player is on the brink of following Rickie Lambert and Adam Lallana to Anfield.

The transfer fee for Lovren, who joined Saints for £8.5m from Lyon last summer, is believed to be around the £16m mark.

If that were the case, it would take the amount Saints have banked this summer to around the £70m mark.

Lallana (£25m) and Lambert (£4.5m) have been joined by Luke Shaw, who moved to Manchester United last month for around £27m.

Lovren recently said his heart was set on a move to Anfield after handing in a transfer request prior to the World Cup starting.

He did report back at St Mary’s last weekend, though, and joined new boss Ronald Koeman on Saints’ pre season tour of Holland and Belgium.

The 25-year-old didn’t appear in either of Saints’ two friendlies, though.

Saints are being linked with Aston Villa’s Dutch defender Ron Vlaar as a potential replacement for Lovren.

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8:38pm Sun 20 Jul 14

sfcdan1992 says...

Let the money grabbing dick go
Let the money grabbing dick go sfcdan1992
  • Score: 88

8:39pm Sun 20 Jul 14

saintand266 says...

16 million not enough even for that vile tw#t
16 million not enough even for that vile tw#t saintand266
  • Score: 68

8:42pm Sun 20 Jul 14

fred the red says...

Sorry, don't get this. How come we allegedly turned down £20 m and are now prepared to let him go for £16m? Sorry, we need to play hard ball with Liverpool the same way they did with Suarez. Pay up the £25 m (cos you are loaded and can afford it) or else it is no deal.
Sorry, don't get this. How come we allegedly turned down £20 m and are now prepared to let him go for £16m? Sorry, we need to play hard ball with Liverpool the same way they did with Suarez. Pay up the £25 m (cos you are loaded and can afford it) or else it is no deal. fred the red
  • Score: 112

8:45pm Sun 20 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

fred the red wrote:
Sorry, don't get this. How come we allegedly turned down £20 m and are now prepared to let him go for £16m? Sorry, we need to play hard ball with Liverpool the same way they did with Suarez. Pay up the £25 m (cos you are loaded and can afford it) or else it is no deal.
I am afraid Les and Ralph don't know how to play hardball, but Ralph knows how to play ice hockey.
[quote][p][bold]fred the red[/bold] wrote: Sorry, don't get this. How come we allegedly turned down £20 m and are now prepared to let him go for £16m? Sorry, we need to play hard ball with Liverpool the same way they did with Suarez. Pay up the £25 m (cos you are loaded and can afford it) or else it is no deal.[/p][/quote]I am afraid Les and Ralph don't know how to play hardball, but Ralph knows how to play ice hockey. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 43

8:45pm Sun 20 Jul 14

hedge end bob says...

Why so cheap ??, if both parties re so eager too join up with each other, 25 million rolls of the tounge very nicely.
Talk sport was saying only this afternoon , NO ONE is ireplaceable you can always find someone better!!. Just make LIVERHAMPTON pay up BIG. If he goes Saints will still be here to support and he will soon be foregotten.
STID at least we are betteroff than Blackpool.
Why so cheap ??, if both parties re so eager too join up with each other, 25 million rolls of the tounge very nicely. Talk sport was saying only this afternoon , NO ONE is ireplaceable you can always find someone better!!. Just make LIVERHAMPTON pay up BIG. If he goes Saints will still be here to support and he will soon be foregotten. STID at least we are betteroff than Blackpool. hedge end bob
  • Score: 18

8:46pm Sun 20 Jul 14

SFC1984 says...

Surely the FA should be looking at the way all these moves are happening between liverpool and saints !! One player moves ok two move to the same club possibly but 3 surely got to be something wrong!! Tapping up?? Agents??
Surely the FA should be looking at the way all these moves are happening between liverpool and saints !! One player moves ok two move to the same club possibly but 3 surely got to be something wrong!! Tapping up?? Agents?? SFC1984
  • Score: 96

8:48pm Sun 20 Jul 14

SNUGGLES 78 says...

debts will be cleared soon ,only scniderlin ,jay rod and the pirate to go.
debts will be cleared soon ,only scniderlin ,jay rod and the pirate to go. SNUGGLES 78
  • Score: -20

8:50pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Andy Welsh says...

I think the point is nobody knows how much Liverpool have previously bid or are bidding now. Saints are obviously happy they have got over market value for him and will make a handsome profit. Personally I would love Vlaar, but whether he would come is dubious. I have been pretty happy with the first two replacements, so will be interesting to see who we get. If we want to strengthen the squad we can expect a few more ins before the season starts, but the fans will need to be patient. These things take time.
I think the point is nobody knows how much Liverpool have previously bid or are bidding now. Saints are obviously happy they have got over market value for him and will make a handsome profit. Personally I would love Vlaar, but whether he would come is dubious. I have been pretty happy with the first two replacements, so will be interesting to see who we get. If we want to strengthen the squad we can expect a few more ins before the season starts, but the fans will need to be patient. These things take time. Andy Welsh
  • Score: 24

8:52pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Confucious says...

Mmmmmm....please cheer us up with a great new signing this week.
Mmmmmm....please cheer us up with a great new signing this week. Confucious
  • Score: 33

8:52pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Have cork and fonte been offered new deals? This turning into a pantomime.a club reacting rather than be proactive.we have now placed ourselves in an extremely weak bargaining position for future transfers.why sell him now? Why not wait until WE have brought in his replacement? Weak board.mark my words Morgan is next.
Have cork and fonte been offered new deals? This turning into a pantomime.a club reacting rather than be proactive.we have now placed ourselves in an extremely weak bargaining position for future transfers.why sell him now? Why not wait until WE have brought in his replacement? Weak board.mark my words Morgan is next. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 28

8:54pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

SFC1984 wrote:
Surely the FA should be looking at the way all these moves are happening between liverpool and saints !! One player moves ok two move to the same club possibly but 3 surely got to be something wrong!! Tapping up?? Agents??
Didn't there ought to be some rule about the number of players one team can buy from another,otherwise we might just as well give up.What's the point!
[quote][p][bold]SFC1984[/bold] wrote: Surely the FA should be looking at the way all these moves are happening between liverpool and saints !! One player moves ok two move to the same club possibly but 3 surely got to be something wrong!! Tapping up?? Agents??[/p][/quote]Didn't there ought to be some rule about the number of players one team can buy from another,otherwise we might just as well give up.What's the point! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 29

8:55pm Sun 20 Jul 14

montecristosaint says...

Andy Welsh you need to wake up. I seriously question whether there will be any ins as you put it, and certainly not of the quality that we have let go. The club has been systematically raped by Liebherr , there is no real commitment there and i am willing to bet the club will be sold this summer.
Andy Welsh you need to wake up. I seriously question whether there will be any ins as you put it, and certainly not of the quality that we have let go. The club has been systematically raped by Liebherr , there is no real commitment there and i am willing to bet the club will be sold this summer. montecristosaint
  • Score: -85

8:56pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Andy Welsh wrote:
I think the point is nobody knows how much Liverpool have previously bid or are bidding now. Saints are obviously happy they have got over market value for him and will make a handsome profit. Personally I would love Vlaar, but whether he would come is dubious. I have been pretty happy with the first two replacements, so will be interesting to see who we get. If we want to strengthen the squad we can expect a few more ins before the season starts, but the fans will need to be patient. These things take time.
We haven't got time,that's the problem.you can't just chuck players together and send them out at anfield.
[quote][p][bold]Andy Welsh[/bold] wrote: I think the point is nobody knows how much Liverpool have previously bid or are bidding now. Saints are obviously happy they have got over market value for him and will make a handsome profit. Personally I would love Vlaar, but whether he would come is dubious. I have been pretty happy with the first two replacements, so will be interesting to see who we get. If we want to strengthen the squad we can expect a few more ins before the season starts, but the fans will need to be patient. These things take time.[/p][/quote]We haven't got time,that's the problem.you can't just chuck players together and send them out at anfield. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 12

8:58pm Sun 20 Jul 14

peregrine73 says...

Very soon we will have a weak defence and a weak attack: net result Championship football just around the corner!.When will everyone realise the board are in effective, just here to cash in for the owner. We are in big trouble,no more rose tinted glasses, stark reality has arrived.Its time to speak out about the recent actions its a major disappointment for all the fans
Very soon we will have a weak defence and a weak attack: net result Championship football just around the corner!.When will everyone realise the board are in effective, just here to cash in for the owner. We are in big trouble,no more rose tinted glasses, stark reality has arrived.Its time to speak out about the recent actions its a major disappointment for all the fans peregrine73
  • Score: 20

8:59pm Sun 20 Jul 14

montecristosaint says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Have cork and fonte been offered new deals? This turning into a pantomime.a club reacting rather than be proactive.we have now placed ourselves in an extremely weak bargaining position for future transfers.why sell him now? Why not wait until WE have brought in his replacement? Weak board.mark my words Morgan is next.
Schneiderlin will be the next to go next week followed by Rodriguez. I also think Chambers may be sold. In short all our players are up for sale, it merely a matter of the amount. I strongly suspect there are things going on that we can only suspect, I have always been of the opinion that the club would be stripped then sold.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Have cork and fonte been offered new deals? This turning into a pantomime.a club reacting rather than be proactive.we have now placed ourselves in an extremely weak bargaining position for future transfers.why sell him now? Why not wait until WE have brought in his replacement? Weak board.mark my words Morgan is next.[/p][/quote]Schneiderlin will be the next to go next week followed by Rodriguez. I also think Chambers may be sold. In short all our players are up for sale, it merely a matter of the amount. I strongly suspect there are things going on that we can only suspect, I have always been of the opinion that the club would be stripped then sold. montecristosaint
  • Score: -11

8:59pm Sun 20 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Andy Welsh wrote:
I think the point is nobody knows how much Liverpool have previously bid or are bidding now. Saints are obviously happy they have got over market value for him and will make a handsome profit. Personally I would love Vlaar, but whether he would come is dubious. I have been pretty happy with the first two replacements, so will be interesting to see who we get. If we want to strengthen the squad we can expect a few more ins before the season starts, but the fans will need to be patient. These things take time.
We haven't got time,that's the problem.you can't just chuck players together and send them out at anfield.
Why not, isn't that what Liverpool are doing.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy Welsh[/bold] wrote: I think the point is nobody knows how much Liverpool have previously bid or are bidding now. Saints are obviously happy they have got over market value for him and will make a handsome profit. Personally I would love Vlaar, but whether he would come is dubious. I have been pretty happy with the first two replacements, so will be interesting to see who we get. If we want to strengthen the squad we can expect a few more ins before the season starts, but the fans will need to be patient. These things take time.[/p][/quote]We haven't got time,that's the problem.you can't just chuck players together and send them out at anfield.[/p][/quote]Why not, isn't that what Liverpool are doing. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 17

9:00pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Shareholder says...

To be expected sadly. I've been saying since he cane back he wasn't looking happy nor that we had heard the last of this. I also suspect we have more bad news to come from Schneiderlin. It's the usual disappointment once the big boys come calling and the agents sniff another pay day. It's how the club responds now that matters. Tough times but we will come through this even if we have some pain pain to endure first.
To be expected sadly. I've been saying since he cane back he wasn't looking happy nor that we had heard the last of this. I also suspect we have more bad news to come from Schneiderlin. It's the usual disappointment once the big boys come calling and the agents sniff another pay day. It's how the club responds now that matters. Tough times but we will come through this even if we have some pain pain to endure first. Shareholder
  • Score: 17

9:02pm Sun 20 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

SFC1984 wrote:
Surely the FA should be looking at the way all these moves are happening between liverpool and saints !! One player moves ok two move to the same club possibly but 3 surely got to be something wrong!! Tapping up?? Agents??
They obviously prefer LIVERPOOL FC and see a move there as taking their careers to a higher level, so who can blame them. They have ambition and obviously think that Saint's don't.
[quote][p][bold]SFC1984[/bold] wrote: Surely the FA should be looking at the way all these moves are happening between liverpool and saints !! One player moves ok two move to the same club possibly but 3 surely got to be something wrong!! Tapping up?? Agents??[/p][/quote]They obviously prefer LIVERPOOL FC and see a move there as taking their careers to a higher level, so who can blame them. They have ambition and obviously think that Saint's don't. one in the crowd
  • Score: 21

9:07pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Southampton boy says...

Seem to be a lot of bad blood here look let him go his heart is not with Saints for what ever reason.
I don't understand why these players seem to want to go, they say that there is no plan or the plan has changed.

Is it just money! Or is there something behind all of this? Would like to know
Seem to be a lot of bad blood here look let him go his heart is not with Saints for what ever reason. I don't understand why these players seem to want to go, they say that there is no plan or the plan has changed. Is it just money! Or is there something behind all of this? Would like to know Southampton boy
  • Score: 24

9:07pm Sun 20 Jul 14

echo1948 says...

Shareholder wrote:
To be expected sadly. I've been saying since he cane back he wasn't looking happy nor that we had heard the last of this. I also suspect we have more bad news to come from Schneiderlin. It's the usual disappointment once the big boys come calling and the agents sniff another pay day. It's how the club responds now that matters. Tough times but we will come through this even if we have some pain pain to endure first.
I don,t see how we can recover from losing the backbone of our team. A few token buys is not going to fill the void left in the squad. I am afraid I can see a season of a relegation battle and a few real bad canings along the way.
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: To be expected sadly. I've been saying since he cane back he wasn't looking happy nor that we had heard the last of this. I also suspect we have more bad news to come from Schneiderlin. It's the usual disappointment once the big boys come calling and the agents sniff another pay day. It's how the club responds now that matters. Tough times but we will come through this even if we have some pain pain to endure first.[/p][/quote]I don,t see how we can recover from losing the backbone of our team. A few token buys is not going to fill the void left in the squad. I am afraid I can see a season of a relegation battle and a few real bad canings along the way. echo1948
  • Score: 19

9:10pm Sun 20 Jul 14

echo1948 says...

montecristosaint wrote:
Andy Welsh you need to wake up. I seriously question whether there will be any ins as you put it, and certainly not of the quality that we have let go. The club has been systematically raped by Liebherr , there is no real commitment there and i am willing to bet the club will be sold this summer.
Well said. Perhaps, at last, the stark reality is dawning on a few of the true supporters.
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: Andy Welsh you need to wake up. I seriously question whether there will be any ins as you put it, and certainly not of the quality that we have let go. The club has been systematically raped by Liebherr , there is no real commitment there and i am willing to bet the club will be sold this summer.[/p][/quote]Well said. Perhaps, at last, the stark reality is dawning on a few of the true supporters. echo1948
  • Score: -15

9:12pm Sun 20 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

one in the crowd wrote:
SFC1984 wrote:
Surely the FA should be looking at the way all these moves are happening between liverpool and saints !! One player moves ok two move to the same club possibly but 3 surely got to be something wrong!! Tapping up?? Agents??
They obviously prefer LIVERPOOL FC and see a move there as taking their careers to a higher level, so who can blame them. They have ambition and obviously think that Saint's don't.
Players move for a bigger pay packets, they have no loyalty to a football club like the fans who pay to watch them every week. I think Liverpool are panic buying and a lot of the players will be found wanting in the champions league.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFC1984[/bold] wrote: Surely the FA should be looking at the way all these moves are happening between liverpool and saints !! One player moves ok two move to the same club possibly but 3 surely got to be something wrong!! Tapping up?? Agents??[/p][/quote]They obviously prefer LIVERPOOL FC and see a move there as taking their careers to a higher level, so who can blame them. They have ambition and obviously think that Saint's don't.[/p][/quote]Players move for a bigger pay packets, they have no loyalty to a football club like the fans who pay to watch them every week. I think Liverpool are panic buying and a lot of the players will be found wanting in the champions league. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 12

9:14pm Sun 20 Jul 14

gorgonorto says...

Still think this will be a great season! These are my predictions:

1- Chelsea
2- Man City
3- Arsenal
4-Man United
5-Everton
6-SOUTHAMPTON
7-Scummy Spurs
8-Liverhampton
9-Stoke
10-Sunderland
11-Crystal Palace
12-West Ham
13-Newpardew
14-Hull City
15-Swansea
16-Aston Villa
17-QPR
18-West Brom
19-Leicester City
20-Burley
Still think this will be a great season! These are my predictions: 1- Chelsea 2- Man City 3- Arsenal 4-Man United 5-Everton 6-SOUTHAMPTON 7-Scummy Spurs 8-Liverhampton 9-Stoke 10-Sunderland 11-Crystal Palace 12-West Ham 13-Newpardew 14-Hull City 15-Swansea 16-Aston Villa 17-QPR 18-West Brom 19-Leicester City 20-Burley gorgonorto
  • Score: -37

9:21pm Sun 20 Jul 14

SwissToni says...

Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club. SwissToni
  • Score: 41

9:21pm Sun 20 Jul 14

donni1437 says...

Well done to the board, really lowering expectations for the coming season. Why would any player with a little ambition want to stay at the club now?
Well done to the board, really lowering expectations for the coming season. Why would any player with a little ambition want to stay at the club now? donni1437
  • Score: 18

9:21pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

montecristosaint wrote:
Andy Welsh you need to wake up. I seriously question whether there will be any ins as you put it, and certainly not of the quality that we have let go. The club has been systematically raped by Liebherr , there is no real commitment there and i am willing to bet the club will be sold this summer.
Ron said in an interview that there will be more in,and that was after the signings of Tadic and Pelle.I believe him.
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: Andy Welsh you need to wake up. I seriously question whether there will be any ins as you put it, and certainly not of the quality that we have let go. The club has been systematically raped by Liebherr , there is no real commitment there and i am willing to bet the club will be sold this summer.[/p][/quote]Ron said in an interview that there will be more in,and that was after the signings of Tadic and Pelle.I believe him. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 42

9:25pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Dave Brown says...

Well Mr Reed, sell Boruc,and that is the spine of the team gone.
Your words about not selling players appear pretty hollow now.
Our new Manager must feel like a one arm paper hanger at this moment of time if this exodus of players continue.
Well Mr Reed, sell Boruc,and that is the spine of the team gone. Your words about not selling players appear pretty hollow now. Our new Manager must feel like a one arm paper hanger at this moment of time if this exodus of players continue. Dave Brown
  • Score: 14

9:25pm Sun 20 Jul 14

saintmac says...

Although I do not like Lovren's attitude it is very worrying that Koeman can't persuade the player to stay. I believe this mirrors the Clubs lack of ambition and that Morgan will follow shortly with Jay Rod departing when he has recovered from injury and possibly others. I feel sorry for Koeman who has been placed in an impossible position and will be on the receiving end of the
fans anger when results go against us when imho it is the Owner and Board who are responsible for this fiasco. I am not fllled with hope with the names we have been linked with and what should on paper be a
relatively easy start to the season will now be a struggle with the team
comprising low key new players and youngsters who will find it difficult to gel together let alone adapt to the Prem League.
Although I do not like Lovren's attitude it is very worrying that Koeman can't persuade the player to stay. I believe this mirrors the Clubs lack of ambition and that Morgan will follow shortly with Jay Rod departing when he has recovered from injury and possibly others. I feel sorry for Koeman who has been placed in an impossible position and will be on the receiving end of the fans anger when results go against us when imho it is the Owner and Board who are responsible for this fiasco. I am not fllled with hope with the names we have been linked with and what should on paper be a relatively easy start to the season will now be a struggle with the team comprising low key new players and youngsters who will find it difficult to gel together let alone adapt to the Prem League. saintmac
  • Score: 9

9:25pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Andy Welsh wrote:
I think the point is nobody knows how much Liverpool have previously bid or are bidding now. Saints are obviously happy they have got over market value for him and will make a handsome profit. Personally I would love Vlaar, but whether he would come is dubious. I have been pretty happy with the first two replacements, so will be interesting to see who we get. If we want to strengthen the squad we can expect a few more ins before the season starts, but the fans will need to be patient. These things take time.
We haven't got time,that's the problem.you can't just chuck players together and send them out at anfield.
Why not, isn't that what Liverpool are doing.
Exactly!
(sorry,I've been told to keep my posts short tonight).
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy Welsh[/bold] wrote: I think the point is nobody knows how much Liverpool have previously bid or are bidding now. Saints are obviously happy they have got over market value for him and will make a handsome profit. Personally I would love Vlaar, but whether he would come is dubious. I have been pretty happy with the first two replacements, so will be interesting to see who we get. If we want to strengthen the squad we can expect a few more ins before the season starts, but the fans will need to be patient. These things take time.[/p][/quote]We haven't got time,that's the problem.you can't just chuck players together and send them out at anfield.[/p][/quote]Why not, isn't that what Liverpool are doing.[/p][/quote]Exactly! (sorry,I've been told to keep my posts short tonight). Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 12

9:25pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

donni1437 wrote:
Well done to the board, really lowering expectations for the coming season. Why would any player with a little ambition want to stay at the club now?
Or come to the club
:0(
[quote][p][bold]donni1437[/bold] wrote: Well done to the board, really lowering expectations for the coming season. Why would any player with a little ambition want to stay at the club now?[/p][/quote]Or come to the club :0( Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

9:27pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Bazultra says...

Vlaar was top class in the world cup. He would be better than this clown now folk eff Lovren COYR
Vlaar was top class in the world cup. He would be better than this clown now folk eff Lovren COYR Bazultra
  • Score: 20

9:27pm Sun 20 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
[quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 19

9:32pm Sun 20 Jul 14

will2ksaints says...

Let the tw@t go! All you negative idiots slamming everything anyone does these days, shut up for 5! Give the board, the new management team and ultimately the team a chance! If you don't like it go and support Liverpool or Spurs if your they much up the old managers or players ar-e!!!
Let the tw@t go! All you negative idiots slamming everything anyone does these days, shut up for 5! Give the board, the new management team and ultimately the team a chance! If you don't like it go and support Liverpool or Spurs if your they much up the old managers or players ar-e!!! will2ksaints
  • Score: 35

9:34pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 18

9:37pm Sun 20 Jul 14

cotswoldsaint says...

Even the player was quoted as saying Liverhampton had offered £20m and allegedly Saints were demanding at least £25m so where is this £16m figure coming from all of a sudden? All very strange and, if true, very disappointing (again). I've been trying to stay positive throughout this current debacle but unless something happens soon to change my mind, I'm going to start believing the doom merchants were right all along. Come on Les and Ralph, restore our faith!
Even the player was quoted as saying Liverhampton had offered £20m and allegedly Saints were demanding at least £25m so where is this £16m figure coming from all of a sudden? All very strange and, if true, very disappointing (again). I've been trying to stay positive throughout this current debacle but unless something happens soon to change my mind, I'm going to start believing the doom merchants were right all along. Come on Les and Ralph, restore our faith! cotswoldsaint
  • Score: 11

9:43pm Sun 20 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs, THE12THMAN
  • Score: 10

9:45pm Sun 20 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

just ***k off Lovren ... asap....
just ***k off Lovren ... asap.... steekeemcglue
  • Score: 8

9:45pm Sun 20 Jul 14

kingsaint76 says...

I believe in hindsight that Koeman has done some excellent man management work with Lovren, he was always leaving let's face it, Koeman took him on the pre-season tour to say his goodbyes and ensure that a bad taste was not left like with lallana, in whose transfer he did not have a say in!! Good luck Lovren, you were with us for only a year I hope you achieve what you want, and beware cause Pelle is gonna beat you or that mistake prone Sahko down!! I think a wave of new signings are coming, he has assessed them on tour decided we have a wealth of young talent coming through and that a few new names to bolster are all that's needed, I think Vlaar would be an excellent start....
I believe in hindsight that Koeman has done some excellent man management work with Lovren, he was always leaving let's face it, Koeman took him on the pre-season tour to say his goodbyes and ensure that a bad taste was not left like with lallana, in whose transfer he did not have a say in!! Good luck Lovren, you were with us for only a year I hope you achieve what you want, and beware cause Pelle is gonna beat you or that mistake prone Sahko down!! I think a wave of new signings are coming, he has assessed them on tour decided we have a wealth of young talent coming through and that a few new names to bolster are all that's needed, I think Vlaar would be an excellent start.... kingsaint76
  • Score: 33

9:46pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

cotswoldsaint wrote:
Even the player was quoted as saying Liverhampton had offered £20m and allegedly Saints were demanding at least £25m so where is this £16m figure coming from all of a sudden? All very strange and, if true, very disappointing (again). I've been trying to stay positive throughout this current debacle but unless something happens soon to change my mind, I'm going to start believing the doom merchants were right all along. Come on Les and Ralph, restore our faith!
No good listening to them,they never say anything!
I've learnt more from Ron Koeman than I have from either of them.
[quote][p][bold]cotswoldsaint[/bold] wrote: Even the player was quoted as saying Liverhampton had offered £20m and allegedly Saints were demanding at least £25m so where is this £16m figure coming from all of a sudden? All very strange and, if true, very disappointing (again). I've been trying to stay positive throughout this current debacle but unless something happens soon to change my mind, I'm going to start believing the doom merchants were right all along. Come on Les and Ralph, restore our faith![/p][/quote]No good listening to them,they never say anything! I've learnt more from Ron Koeman than I have from either of them. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 9

9:50pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

16 Million is a joke. I'm sorry, but there it is.
16 Million is a joke. I'm sorry, but there it is. Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 14

9:51pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

9:51pm Sun 20 Jul 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

I feel that the players that left under the banner of playing for a club that has no ambition is a bit of a hypocritial cop out on their part. Everyone knows that Saints isn't a top flight club. To achieve high end results is inevitably an endless struggle and hard work and thats why I love the Saint's so much, apart from being born there. Surely the players know if the board threw the kind of money required to achieve champions league football or winning the league, that the bubble would burst pretty quick and we would be relegated or worse. I guess it's easier to have your ambitions as a player catered for to leave for a club that has things on a silver platter for you. Even if the board has it in mind to retract a bit and regroup after this exodus at the expense of a few league placings I see the logic in it. It is becoming fairly evident to me that rebuilding the team and not expecting too much needs to be the focal point for the near future. Tough times ahead indeed, but if anyone can pull through we can!
I feel that the players that left under the banner of playing for a club that has no ambition is a bit of a hypocritial cop out on their part. Everyone knows that Saints isn't a top flight club. To achieve high end results is inevitably an endless struggle and hard work and thats why I love the Saint's so much, apart from being born there. Surely the players know if the board threw the kind of money required to achieve champions league football or winning the league, that the bubble would burst pretty quick and we would be relegated or worse. I guess it's easier to have your ambitions as a player catered for to leave for a club that has things on a silver platter for you. Even if the board has it in mind to retract a bit and regroup after this exodus at the expense of a few league placings I see the logic in it. It is becoming fairly evident to me that rebuilding the team and not expecting too much needs to be the focal point for the near future. Tough times ahead indeed, but if anyone can pull through we can! KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 33

9:53pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Ontario Saint says...

This guy is a total disgrace to Saints...respect he does not know the meaning of the word. Will be glad to see the back of him. Made a fool of himself in Brazil by having the tabloids taking pictures of him having a skinny dip in the hotel he was staying in . There were also reports the Croatian team trashed the Changing room after their game against Brazil.
he should be apologizing to Saints for his unacceptable behavior.
Hopefully Saints already have replacements coming in who are proud to join Ron Ko and Saints such as Pelle & Tadic maybe Vlaar has already agreed to come hence the rumour of Lovren's departure
This guy is a total disgrace to Saints...respect he does not know the meaning of the word. Will be glad to see the back of him. Made a fool of himself in Brazil by having the tabloids taking pictures of him having a skinny dip in the hotel he was staying in . There were also reports the Croatian team trashed the Changing room after their game against Brazil. he should be apologizing to Saints for his unacceptable behavior. Hopefully Saints already have replacements coming in who are proud to join Ron Ko and Saints such as Pelle & Tadic maybe Vlaar has already agreed to come hence the rumour of Lovren's departure Ontario Saint
  • Score: 10

9:56pm Sun 20 Jul 14

slugger says...

Same old carp ....... We KNEW he was going ffs ..... Why the sudden hysterior ?
Same old carp ....... We KNEW he was going ffs ..... Why the sudden hysterior ? slugger
  • Score: 37

9:56pm Sun 20 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Ever thought that they haven't got the quality of player that the big clubs are looking for, after all we have got one of the best academy's in England.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Ever thought that they haven't got the quality of player that the big clubs are looking for, after all we have got one of the best academy's in England. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 17

9:56pm Sun 20 Jul 14

donni1437 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
donni1437 wrote:
Well done to the board, really lowering expectations for the coming season. Why would any player with a little ambition want to stay at the club now?
Or come to the club
:0(
True, If they want to move to a club that will put them in the shop window for their dream move to play CL footy, Saints might fit the bill
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]donni1437[/bold] wrote: Well done to the board, really lowering expectations for the coming season. Why would any player with a little ambition want to stay at the club now?[/p][/quote]Or come to the club :0([/p][/quote]True, If they want to move to a club that will put them in the shop window for their dream move to play CL footy, Saints might fit the bill donni1437
  • Score: 2

9:57pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Thankyounicola says...

16 million after rejecting alleged 20 million offer?? Why Les couldn't you ask for more?
They got £75 million for Suarez . Why do we sell cheap? Is the need for money that bad?
16 million after rejecting alleged 20 million offer?? Why Les couldn't you ask for more? They got £75 million for Suarez . Why do we sell cheap? Is the need for money that bad? Thankyounicola
  • Score: 5

9:58pm Sun 20 Jul 14

slugger says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that . slugger
  • Score: 15

9:59pm Sun 20 Jul 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

Let him GO , but not LIVERHAMPTON and for at least 20M , preferably overseas
Let him GO , but not LIVERHAMPTON and for at least 20M , preferably overseas SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 10

9:59pm Sun 20 Jul 14

echo1948 says...

gorgonorto wrote:
Still think this will be a great season! These are my predictions:

1- Chelsea
2- Man City
3- Arsenal
4-Man United
5-Everton
6-SOUTHAMPTON
7-Scummy Spurs
8-Liverhampton
9-Stoke
10-Sunderland
11-Crystal Palace
12-West Ham
13-Newpardew
14-Hull City
15-Swansea
16-Aston Villa
17-QPR
18-West Brom
19-Leicester City
20-Burley
What planet are you on? If we finish out of the bottom 3 I will consider it a good season.
[quote][p][bold]gorgonorto[/bold] wrote: Still think this will be a great season! These are my predictions: 1- Chelsea 2- Man City 3- Arsenal 4-Man United 5-Everton 6-SOUTHAMPTON 7-Scummy Spurs 8-Liverhampton 9-Stoke 10-Sunderland 11-Crystal Palace 12-West Ham 13-Newpardew 14-Hull City 15-Swansea 16-Aston Villa 17-QPR 18-West Brom 19-Leicester City 20-Burley[/p][/quote]What planet are you on? If we finish out of the bottom 3 I will consider it a good season. echo1948
  • Score: 12

9:59pm Sun 20 Jul 14

bstokesaint says...

montecristosaint wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Have cork and fonte been offered new deals? This turning into a pantomime.a club reacting rather than be proactive.we have now placed ourselves in an extremely weak bargaining position for future transfers.why sell him now? Why not wait until WE have brought in his replacement? Weak board.mark my words Morgan is next.
Schneiderlin will be the next to go next week followed by Rodriguez. I also think Chambers may be sold. In short all our players are up for sale, it merely a matter of the amount. I strongly suspect there are things going on that we can only suspect, I have always been of the opinion that the club would be stripped then sold.
My god you're depressing! So Lovren looks to be going. No great surprise there then. You can't keep players who don't want to stay. And every player has his price. Even Messi and Ronaldo would be released for the right price, whatever that might be. We can speculate what happened. The players were massively influenced by the young and exciting Poch. When he left he probably told the players he was going in advance of this and maybe mentioned to them he thought that the club had gone as far as he could get them. A couple of international training camps later and the once collective Saints' unit, believe they can create success together again at bigger clubs. So they want out. It's hard for a club to stop this, so instead they recruit another exciting manager and give him some money to rebuild. It's a new dawn and a new era. A proper fan will embrace this and remain optimistic and leave the razor blades in the bathroom.
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Have cork and fonte been offered new deals? This turning into a pantomime.a club reacting rather than be proactive.we have now placed ourselves in an extremely weak bargaining position for future transfers.why sell him now? Why not wait until WE have brought in his replacement? Weak board.mark my words Morgan is next.[/p][/quote]Schneiderlin will be the next to go next week followed by Rodriguez. I also think Chambers may be sold. In short all our players are up for sale, it merely a matter of the amount. I strongly suspect there are things going on that we can only suspect, I have always been of the opinion that the club would be stripped then sold.[/p][/quote]My god you're depressing! So Lovren looks to be going. No great surprise there then. You can't keep players who don't want to stay. And every player has his price. Even Messi and Ronaldo would be released for the right price, whatever that might be. We can speculate what happened. The players were massively influenced by the young and exciting Poch. When he left he probably told the players he was going in advance of this and maybe mentioned to them he thought that the club had gone as far as he could get them. A couple of international training camps later and the once collective Saints' unit, believe they can create success together again at bigger clubs. So they want out. It's hard for a club to stop this, so instead they recruit another exciting manager and give him some money to rebuild. It's a new dawn and a new era. A proper fan will embrace this and remain optimistic and leave the razor blades in the bathroom. bstokesaint
  • Score: 55

9:59pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Fireman Sam 1 says...

So much bitterness for a player we paid peanuts for and stand to double our money on in less than a year....come on people we are a small club punching above our weight financially in the Premier League we had a great season last year, yes we won at Anfield, but got a spanking at home from the same team, I missed only the West Ham game last season at home and think the Liverpool front line was head and shoulders above the rest, with the biter gone they could be weaker this season, but with the lure of European cup who wouldn't want to play there in front of arguably the best fans in the country, and before you all start where were you when we played in Division 1 (home or away).....get over we are a small club, but bigger than the team that play in the public toilet 20 miles to the east of this great city.
So much bitterness for a player we paid peanuts for and stand to double our money on in less than a year....come on people we are a small club punching above our weight financially in the Premier League we had a great season last year, yes we won at Anfield, but got a spanking at home from the same team, I missed only the West Ham game last season at home and think the Liverpool front line was head and shoulders above the rest, with the biter gone they could be weaker this season, but with the lure of European cup who wouldn't want to play there in front of arguably the best fans in the country, and before you all start where were you when we played in Division 1 (home or away).....get over we are a small club, but bigger than the team that play in the public toilet 20 miles to the east of this great city. Fireman Sam 1
  • Score: 28

10:00pm Sun 20 Jul 14

redsnapper says...

The Premiership the FA and the so called elite clubs SKY and the sycophants in the media are quite simply destroying the game as we know it.
Every club outside the big 5 are proving to be just cannon fodder and quite frankly I would rather enjoy the honesty of the Championship than the false hopes harboured by 15 clubs in the Prem which seems to be the best place for the world,s greediest players to pretend to be.
The Premiership the FA and the so called elite clubs SKY and the sycophants in the media are quite simply destroying the game as we know it. Every club outside the big 5 are proving to be just cannon fodder and quite frankly I would rather enjoy the honesty of the Championship than the false hopes harboured by 15 clubs in the Prem which seems to be the best place for the world,s greediest players to pretend to be. redsnapper
  • Score: 48

10:02pm Sun 20 Jul 14

jasons odd says...

Lovren was one of the leagues best players and will be impossible to replace .

Im sure Koeman will replace him with some cheap import from the dutch league .

What must schneiderlin ,clyne and rodriguez be thinking now ?
Lovren was one of the leagues best players and will be impossible to replace . Im sure Koeman will replace him with some cheap import from the dutch league . What must schneiderlin ,clyne and rodriguez be thinking now ? jasons odd
  • Score: -6

10:03pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep, spot on.

Saints revenue; average ticket price: £40 x 32,000 = £1,280,000. 19 x 1,280,000 = £24,320,000

Liverpool: £60 x 45,000 = total home revenue of £51,300,000 + God knows what for Champions League etc

Crude I know but we can't compete. Still utterly depressing.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep, spot on. Saints revenue; average ticket price: £40 x 32,000 = £1,280,000. 19 x 1,280,000 = £24,320,000 Liverpool: £60 x 45,000 = total home revenue of £51,300,000 + God knows what for Champions League etc Crude I know but we can't compete. Still utterly depressing. Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 24

10:03pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Baddesley Bill says...

No one ball kicked and it's all doom n gloom. I know it's Monday tomorrow, but come on now....we've offloaded players who no longer want to wear the shirt for top TOP dollar (we just need to reinvest wisely....rather than quickly).

In short...ffs get a grip.

Oh yeah...and or the skates who post here...FOAD.

Cheers. :O)
No one ball kicked and it's all doom n gloom. I know it's Monday tomorrow, but come on now....we've offloaded players who no longer want to wear the shirt for top TOP dollar (we just need to reinvest wisely....rather than quickly). In short...ffs get a grip. Oh yeah...and or the skates who post here...FOAD. Cheers. :O) Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 10

10:04pm Sun 20 Jul 14

the_elf says...

Almost every club is a selling club. We are no different. The number changes but the point is the same. Ronaldo, Bale, Neymar etc, all had their price. If some squillionaire came in and offered £250m for Messi, Barca would sell.
So we make the best with what we have. The nearest I've ever seen to loyalty is when it's the boyhood club, but even then the money has to be near enough...

COYR.
Almost every club is a selling club. We are no different. The number changes but the point is the same. Ronaldo, Bale, Neymar etc, all had their price. If some squillionaire came in and offered £250m for Messi, Barca would sell. So we make the best with what we have. The nearest I've ever seen to loyalty is when it's the boyhood club, but even then the money has to be near enough... COYR. the_elf
  • Score: 2

10:04pm Sun 20 Jul 14

thesaint88 says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Have cork and fonte been offered new deals? This turning into a pantomime.a club reacting rather than be proactive.we have now placed ourselves in an extremely weak bargaining position for future transfers.why sell him now? Why not wait until WE have brought in his replacement? Weak board.mark my words Morgan is next.
Daily mail are reporting spider wants to join spurs with um, so sorry forgot the rpicks name. This is defo looking really bad at this rate I am going to have to get my boots on again
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Have cork and fonte been offered new deals? This turning into a pantomime.a club reacting rather than be proactive.we have now placed ourselves in an extremely weak bargaining position for future transfers.why sell him now? Why not wait until WE have brought in his replacement? Weak board.mark my words Morgan is next.[/p][/quote]Daily mail are reporting spider wants to join spurs with um, so sorry forgot the rpicks name. This is defo looking really bad at this rate I am going to have to get my boots on again thesaint88
  • Score: 7

10:07pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Ever thought that they haven't got the quality of player that the big clubs are looking for, after all we have got one of the best academy's in England.
Lovren was signed a year ago, don't know who's academy produced him but it wasn't ours. Nor Rickie.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Ever thought that they haven't got the quality of player that the big clubs are looking for, after all we have got one of the best academy's in England.[/p][/quote]Lovren was signed a year ago, don't know who's academy produced him but it wasn't ours. Nor Rickie. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

10:07pm Sun 20 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Lovren will go , Spiderman will go ,,,, hopefully the useless ar5ehole Osvaldo will go to... and good riddance.... one step back to take two steps forward.... 10th this season ,,, 7th,6th or 5th the season after...
Lovren will go , Spiderman will go ,,,, hopefully the useless ar5ehole Osvaldo will go to... and good riddance.... one step back to take two steps forward.... 10th this season ,,, 7th,6th or 5th the season after... steekeemcglue
  • Score: -8

10:09pm Sun 20 Jul 14

hedge end bob says...

What is a true supporter?
I have renewed my season ticket for this year, am i a true supporter ??
I read and write on this site , does that make me a true supporter ???
I do not agree with everyones opion, does that make me a true supporter????
FFS i will not be able to sleep tonight if i am not a true supporter.
If i promise to attend more away games than i did last season, would that make me a true supporter?????
If i buy a new home and away SHIRT , will i be a true supporter then??????
Or do i just simply go along with a few of the posters and the garbage they write about our club without knowing what happens behind locked doors, would i really really be A TRUE SUPPORTER THEN???????

If the club was going to be sold surely the time to rake the money in would be BEFORE the players started leaving ?????
But then i don't even know if i am a true supporter or not ????????
STID.
What is a true supporter? I have renewed my season ticket for this year, am i a true supporter ?? I read and write on this site , does that make me a true supporter ??? I do not agree with everyones opion, does that make me a true supporter???? FFS i will not be able to sleep tonight if i am not a true supporter. If i promise to attend more away games than i did last season, would that make me a true supporter????? If i buy a new home and away SHIRT , will i be a true supporter then?????? Or do i just simply go along with a few of the posters and the garbage they write about our club without knowing what happens behind locked doors, would i really really be A TRUE SUPPORTER THEN??????? If the club was going to be sold surely the time to rake the money in would be BEFORE the players started leaving ????? But then i don't even know if i am a true supporter or not ???????? STID. hedge end bob
  • Score: 8

10:09pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Mosschops says...

All the freaks are out tonight salivating at some news they can use to fuel their tales of doom - some of them might even be saints fans. And then there's the rest of us who are worried but are a little more rational and prefer to err on the side of optimism. It's not asset stripping, that neither makes business sense nor fits with a Billionairess's memory of her father. It is Kat reigning things in rather than going for our is gutting and I think a mistake, but understandable. It's her money. That's all. The 5 that have gone is just modern football. Ricky fine - we all agree; Lallana is 26 and this is his chance (he could have gone about it better), Luke should of stayed a season or two, but he chose the bright lights of Old Trafford; Lovren is a mercenary c#n@. The board have no realistic choice than to get top dollar (and they did) and invest wisely. I'm happy with the two we have in being at least as good as we sold. So get Vlaar or Caulker, a decent left back to compete with Targett meaning we have the same quality squad as last season plus being in a very sound financial position (hopefully to buy a GK and a forward) For 5 years in every transfer window the doom merchants and trolls are on here spreading panic because we haven't bought anyone then every time buy well. Maybe we will for the first time in years be disappointed, of course we have a pessimistic side that worries - we're Saints fans. But why are some people so absolutely certain this time is completely different?
All the freaks are out tonight salivating at some news they can use to fuel their tales of doom - some of them might even be saints fans. And then there's the rest of us who are worried but are a little more rational and prefer to err on the side of optimism. It's not asset stripping, that neither makes business sense nor fits with a Billionairess's memory of her father. It is Kat reigning things in rather than going for our is gutting and I think a mistake, but understandable. It's her money. That's all. The 5 that have gone is just modern football. Ricky fine - we all agree; Lallana is 26 and this is his chance (he could have gone about it better), Luke should of stayed a season or two, but he chose the bright lights of Old Trafford; Lovren is a mercenary c#n@. The board have no realistic choice than to get top dollar (and they did) and invest wisely. I'm happy with the two we have in being at least as good as we sold. So get Vlaar or Caulker, a decent left back to compete with Targett meaning we have the same quality squad as last season plus being in a very sound financial position (hopefully to buy a GK and a forward) For 5 years in every transfer window the doom merchants and trolls are on here spreading panic because we haven't bought anyone then every time buy well. Maybe we will for the first time in years be disappointed, of course we have a pessimistic side that worries - we're Saints fans. But why are some people so absolutely certain this time is completely different? Mosschops
  • Score: 11

10:10pm Sun 20 Jul 14

the Newmarket Saint says...

let him go ,,the scouse git
let him go ,,the scouse git the Newmarket Saint
  • Score: 2

10:12pm Sun 20 Jul 14

echo1948 says...

We are witnessing the systematic dismantling of the team purely for financial gain on Katherina,s part. Those of us with long memories will remember a certain Rupert Lowe doing the same thing and we all remember the aftermath of that episode in Saints history.
We are witnessing the systematic dismantling of the team purely for financial gain on Katherina,s part. Those of us with long memories will remember a certain Rupert Lowe doing the same thing and we all remember the aftermath of that episode in Saints history. echo1948
  • Score: -21

10:14pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Mosschops says...

Mosschops wrote:
All the freaks are out tonight salivating at some news they can use to fuel their tales of doom - some of them might even be saints fans. And then there's the rest of us who are worried but are a little more rational and prefer to err on the side of optimism. It's not asset stripping, that neither makes business sense nor fits with a Billionairess's memory of her father. It is Kat reigning things in rather than going for our is gutting and I think a mistake, but understandable. It's her money. That's all. The 5 that have gone is just modern football. Ricky fine - we all agree; Lallana is 26 and this is his chance (he could have gone about it better), Luke should of stayed a season or two, but he chose the bright lights of Old Trafford; Lovren is a mercenary c#n@. The board have no realistic choice than to get top dollar (and they did) and invest wisely. I'm happy with the two we have in being at least as good as we sold. So get Vlaar or Caulker, a decent left back to compete with Targett meaning we have the same quality squad as last season plus being in a very sound financial position (hopefully to buy a GK and a forward) For 5 years in every transfer window the doom merchants and trolls are on here spreading panic because we haven't bought anyone then every time buy well. Maybe we will for the first time in years be disappointed, of course we have a pessimistic side that worries - we're Saints fans. But why are some people so absolutely certain this time is completely different?
...*Kat going for our dream. It is gutting..... that was meant to say.
Must proof read. I'm new and I don't want to upset Osprey already.
[quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: All the freaks are out tonight salivating at some news they can use to fuel their tales of doom - some of them might even be saints fans. And then there's the rest of us who are worried but are a little more rational and prefer to err on the side of optimism. It's not asset stripping, that neither makes business sense nor fits with a Billionairess's memory of her father. It is Kat reigning things in rather than going for our is gutting and I think a mistake, but understandable. It's her money. That's all. The 5 that have gone is just modern football. Ricky fine - we all agree; Lallana is 26 and this is his chance (he could have gone about it better), Luke should of stayed a season or two, but he chose the bright lights of Old Trafford; Lovren is a mercenary c#n@. The board have no realistic choice than to get top dollar (and they did) and invest wisely. I'm happy with the two we have in being at least as good as we sold. So get Vlaar or Caulker, a decent left back to compete with Targett meaning we have the same quality squad as last season plus being in a very sound financial position (hopefully to buy a GK and a forward) For 5 years in every transfer window the doom merchants and trolls are on here spreading panic because we haven't bought anyone then every time buy well. Maybe we will for the first time in years be disappointed, of course we have a pessimistic side that worries - we're Saints fans. But why are some people so absolutely certain this time is completely different?[/p][/quote]...*Kat going for our dream. It is gutting..... that was meant to say. Must proof read. I'm new and I don't want to upset Osprey already. Mosschops
  • Score: -2

10:15pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Mosschops wrote:
All the freaks are out tonight salivating at some news they can use to fuel their tales of doom - some of them might even be saints fans. And then there's the rest of us who are worried but are a little more rational and prefer to err on the side of optimism. It's not asset stripping, that neither makes business sense nor fits with a Billionairess's memory of her father. It is Kat reigning things in rather than going for our is gutting and I think a mistake, but understandable. It's her money. That's all. The 5 that have gone is just modern football. Ricky fine - we all agree; Lallana is 26 and this is his chance (he could have gone about it better), Luke should of stayed a season or two, but he chose the bright lights of Old Trafford; Lovren is a mercenary c#n@. The board have no realistic choice than to get top dollar (and they did) and invest wisely. I'm happy with the two we have in being at least as good as we sold. So get Vlaar or Caulker, a decent left back to compete with Targett meaning we have the same quality squad as last season plus being in a very sound financial position (hopefully to buy a GK and a forward) For 5 years in every transfer window the doom merchants and trolls are on here spreading panic because we haven't bought anyone then every time buy well. Maybe we will for the first time in years be disappointed, of course we have a pessimistic side that worries - we're Saints fans. But why are some people so absolutely certain this time is completely different?
Because of the sheer volume of the departures from chairman, through the management team to captain and several other first teamers with possibly more to go. Never seen anything like this in my many years of being a football fan.
[quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: All the freaks are out tonight salivating at some news they can use to fuel their tales of doom - some of them might even be saints fans. And then there's the rest of us who are worried but are a little more rational and prefer to err on the side of optimism. It's not asset stripping, that neither makes business sense nor fits with a Billionairess's memory of her father. It is Kat reigning things in rather than going for our is gutting and I think a mistake, but understandable. It's her money. That's all. The 5 that have gone is just modern football. Ricky fine - we all agree; Lallana is 26 and this is his chance (he could have gone about it better), Luke should of stayed a season or two, but he chose the bright lights of Old Trafford; Lovren is a mercenary c#n@. The board have no realistic choice than to get top dollar (and they did) and invest wisely. I'm happy with the two we have in being at least as good as we sold. So get Vlaar or Caulker, a decent left back to compete with Targett meaning we have the same quality squad as last season plus being in a very sound financial position (hopefully to buy a GK and a forward) For 5 years in every transfer window the doom merchants and trolls are on here spreading panic because we haven't bought anyone then every time buy well. Maybe we will for the first time in years be disappointed, of course we have a pessimistic side that worries - we're Saints fans. But why are some people so absolutely certain this time is completely different?[/p][/quote]Because of the sheer volume of the departures from chairman, through the management team to captain and several other first teamers with possibly more to go. Never seen anything like this in my many years of being a football fan. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 21

10:16pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Invidia says...

I totally agree with the lemmings saying we will support our team whatever, we do not have a choice, but that does not mean we should pay our money and accept everything, surely we have the right to ask questions and get answers as paying customers, if you go out to a nightclub expecting entertainment and have a good time and when you get inside there is no bar, no music and it is full of blokes, ok you can dance with your mate if that is your thing but you will soon be disappointed and not enjoy yourself after paying through the nose to get in, everyone knew (well nearly everyone) that England wouldn't get through the group stages in Brazil with the team put out by Roy but still they were very disappointed when it happened
I totally agree with the lemmings saying we will support our team whatever, we do not have a choice, but that does not mean we should pay our money and accept everything, surely we have the right to ask questions and get answers as paying customers, if you go out to a nightclub expecting entertainment and have a good time and when you get inside there is no bar, no music and it is full of blokes, ok you can dance with your mate if that is your thing but you will soon be disappointed and not enjoy yourself after paying through the nose to get in, everyone knew (well nearly everyone) that England wouldn't get through the group stages in Brazil with the team put out by Roy but still they were very disappointed when it happened Invidia
  • Score: 19

10:19pm Sun 20 Jul 14

SaintinCanada says...

slugger wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .
Spot-on Slugger - my sentiments entirely. Sad thing is that the Cartel will take the rest of the system down with them when this all collapses.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .[/p][/quote]Spot-on Slugger - my sentiments entirely. Sad thing is that the Cartel will take the rest of the system down with them when this all collapses. SaintinCanada
  • Score: 12

10:19pm Sun 20 Jul 14

FindAndDestroy says...

Let him go... we don't want to keep players who don't want to be here... but don't let him go on the cheap..... please toughen up..

Without a doubt he is a good defender, but what made them look better was the line up we had last season, with the protective shields of WANYAMA and Morgan made their lives a lot easier...

coz we played as a unit..

whether they are going to repeat the same performance elsewhere still to be seen, only time will tell...

Please RoKo get more signings.
I wish I could post a picture of Brendan Rodgers holding Saints Flag in his hand...

just like the third picture on this website..

http://www.elcrema.c
om/2014/07/19/fans-m
ock-mourinho-and-che
lsea/

coz the only market hes seen is the Saints....



Footy is about money these days, no sense of loyalty whatsoever...
Let him go... we don't want to keep players who don't want to be here... but don't let him go on the cheap..... please toughen up.. Without a doubt he is a good defender, but what made them look better was the line up we had last season, with the protective shields of WANYAMA and Morgan made their lives a lot easier... coz we played as a unit.. whether they are going to repeat the same performance elsewhere still to be seen, only time will tell... Please RoKo get more signings. I wish I could post a picture of Brendan Rodgers holding Saints Flag in his hand... just like the third picture on this website.. http://www.elcrema.c om/2014/07/19/fans-m ock-mourinho-and-che lsea/ coz the only market hes seen is the Saints.... Footy is about money these days, no sense of loyalty whatsoever... FindAndDestroy
  • Score: 8

10:19pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Mosschops says...

slugger wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .
Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .[/p][/quote]Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward. Mosschops
  • Score: 7

10:24pm Sun 20 Jul 14

03alpe01 says...

And so the exodus continues.
Where are all the idiots who said this was all paper talk???
And so the exodus continues. Where are all the idiots who said this was all paper talk??? 03alpe01
  • Score: -1

10:26pm Sun 20 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

The £16m comes from a Croatian publication, the fee will be nearer £23m.

All predicted, but another kick in the teeth for us fans.
Even during the dark years this club were more open to it's fans, we are now being told lie after lie.
Katherina, Ralph and Les need to explain the situation, the club has surely sent out a message to our top players, which at a guess, would have been the club is not going to bankroll a top 10 finish.
Mediocrity beckons.
The £16m comes from a Croatian publication, the fee will be nearer £23m. All predicted, but another kick in the teeth for us fans. Even during the dark years this club were more open to it's fans, we are now being told lie after lie. Katherina, Ralph and Les need to explain the situation, the club has surely sent out a message to our top players, which at a guess, would have been the club is not going to bankroll a top 10 finish. Mediocrity beckons. costa gaz
  • Score: 20

10:26pm Sun 20 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

gorgonorto wrote:
Still think this will be a great season! These are my predictions:

1- Chelsea
2- Man City
3- Arsenal
4-Man United
5-Everton
6-SOUTHAMPTON
7-Scummy Spurs
8-Liverhampton
9-Stoke
10-Sunderland
11-Crystal Palace
12-West Ham
13-Newpardew
14-Hull City
15-Swansea
16-Aston Villa
17-QPR
18-West Brom
19-Leicester City
20-Burley
Having looked at your prediction of the premier league at the end of next season, I think you ought to see a mental health expert as Southampton are likely to end up in the relegation zone next season.
If Saint's don't start bringing in new players soon, then all the good ones will be taken and the window will close in their face.
[quote][p][bold]gorgonorto[/bold] wrote: Still think this will be a great season! These are my predictions: 1- Chelsea 2- Man City 3- Arsenal 4-Man United 5-Everton 6-SOUTHAMPTON 7-Scummy Spurs 8-Liverhampton 9-Stoke 10-Sunderland 11-Crystal Palace 12-West Ham 13-Newpardew 14-Hull City 15-Swansea 16-Aston Villa 17-QPR 18-West Brom 19-Leicester City 20-Burley[/p][/quote]Having looked at your prediction of the premier league at the end of next season, I think you ought to see a mental health expert as Southampton are likely to end up in the relegation zone next season. If Saint's don't start bringing in new players soon, then all the good ones will be taken and the window will close in their face. one in the crowd
  • Score: 9

10:26pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Mosschops says...

bstokesaint wrote:
montecristosaint wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Have cork and fonte been offered new deals? This turning into a pantomime.a club reacting rather than be proactive.we have now placed ourselves in an extremely weak bargaining position for future transfers.why sell him now? Why not wait until WE have brought in his replacement? Weak board.mark my words Morgan is next.
Schneiderlin will be the next to go next week followed by Rodriguez. I also think Chambers may be sold. In short all our players are up for sale, it merely a matter of the amount. I strongly suspect there are things going on that we can only suspect, I have always been of the opinion that the club would be stripped then sold.
My god you're depressing! So Lovren looks to be going. No great surprise there then. You can't keep players who don't want to stay. And every player has his price. Even Messi and Ronaldo would be released for the right price, whatever that might be. We can speculate what happened. The players were massively influenced by the young and exciting Poch. When he left he probably told the players he was going in advance of this and maybe mentioned to them he thought that the club had gone as far as he could get them. A couple of international training camps later and the once collective Saints' unit, believe they can create success together again at bigger clubs. So they want out. It's hard for a club to stop this, so instead they recruit another exciting manager and give him some money to rebuild. It's a new dawn and a new era. A proper fan will embrace this and remain optimistic and leave the razor blades in the bathroom.
Perfectly put.
[quote][p][bold]bstokesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Have cork and fonte been offered new deals? This turning into a pantomime.a club reacting rather than be proactive.we have now placed ourselves in an extremely weak bargaining position for future transfers.why sell him now? Why not wait until WE have brought in his replacement? Weak board.mark my words Morgan is next.[/p][/quote]Schneiderlin will be the next to go next week followed by Rodriguez. I also think Chambers may be sold. In short all our players are up for sale, it merely a matter of the amount. I strongly suspect there are things going on that we can only suspect, I have always been of the opinion that the club would be stripped then sold.[/p][/quote]My god you're depressing! So Lovren looks to be going. No great surprise there then. You can't keep players who don't want to stay. And every player has his price. Even Messi and Ronaldo would be released for the right price, whatever that might be. We can speculate what happened. The players were massively influenced by the young and exciting Poch. When he left he probably told the players he was going in advance of this and maybe mentioned to them he thought that the club had gone as far as he could get them. A couple of international training camps later and the once collective Saints' unit, believe they can create success together again at bigger clubs. So they want out. It's hard for a club to stop this, so instead they recruit another exciting manager and give him some money to rebuild. It's a new dawn and a new era. A proper fan will embrace this and remain optimistic and leave the razor blades in the bathroom.[/p][/quote]Perfectly put. Mosschops
  • Score: 4

10:28pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Crispinmumbles says...

FindAndDestroy wrote:
Let him go... we don't want to keep players who don't want to be here... but don't let him go on the cheap..... please toughen up..

Without a doubt he is a good defender, but what made them look better was the line up we had last season, with the protective shields of WANYAMA and Morgan made their lives a lot easier...

coz we played as a unit..

whether they are going to repeat the same performance elsewhere still to be seen, only time will tell...

Please RoKo get more signings.
I wish I could post a picture of Brendan Rodgers holding Saints Flag in his hand...

just like the third picture on this website..

http://www.elcrema.c

om/2014/07/19/fans-m

ock-mourinho-and-che

lsea/

coz the only market hes seen is the Saints....



Footy is about money these days, no sense of loyalty whatsoever...
Agree entirely, he can feck off. Caulker would do me, gives away fewer stupid penalties & is faster, I would like to see Marshall come in too, quality keeper and obvious;y a left back & winger or two. Lets get Cork tied up on a long term contract, that would be a great signing.
[quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: Let him go... we don't want to keep players who don't want to be here... but don't let him go on the cheap..... please toughen up.. Without a doubt he is a good defender, but what made them look better was the line up we had last season, with the protective shields of WANYAMA and Morgan made their lives a lot easier... coz we played as a unit.. whether they are going to repeat the same performance elsewhere still to be seen, only time will tell... Please RoKo get more signings. I wish I could post a picture of Brendan Rodgers holding Saints Flag in his hand... just like the third picture on this website.. http://www.elcrema.c om/2014/07/19/fans-m ock-mourinho-and-che lsea/ coz the only market hes seen is the Saints.... Footy is about money these days, no sense of loyalty whatsoever...[/p][/quote]Agree entirely, he can feck off. Caulker would do me, gives away fewer stupid penalties & is faster, I would like to see Marshall come in too, quality keeper and obvious;y a left back & winger or two. Lets get Cork tied up on a long term contract, that would be a great signing. Crispinmumbles
  • Score: 11

10:28pm Sun 20 Jul 14

brighton saint says...

jasons odd wrote:
Lovren was one of the leagues best players and will be impossible to replace .

Im sure Koeman will replace him with some cheap import from the dutch league .

What must schneiderlin ,clyne and rodriguez be thinking now ?
Yo dude and so was my aunty ...she had an awesome first half of the season and then disappeared after her throwing her toys out of the pram trying to get a move to Liverhampton...she said once I'm there the cash will roll on in...I will play with my head in liverpool that should see me through...I've managed to get the little boy Liarliar to go there as well..I'm not imposs to replace as there are loads of us waiting to cash in but not amused by players who show a bit of loyalty...that Matt Le Tissier disgusts me....Aunty Lovren speaks and she knows what a calculating arse wipe she really is...oh dear it runs in the family...saddo times in my family!!!
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: Lovren was one of the leagues best players and will be impossible to replace . Im sure Koeman will replace him with some cheap import from the dutch league . What must schneiderlin ,clyne and rodriguez be thinking now ?[/p][/quote]Yo dude and so was my aunty ...she had an awesome first half of the season and then disappeared after her throwing her toys out of the pram trying to get a move to Liverhampton...she said once I'm there the cash will roll on in...I will play with my head in liverpool that should see me through...I've managed to get the little boy Liarliar to go there as well..I'm not imposs to replace as there are loads of us waiting to cash in but not amused by players who show a bit of loyalty...that Matt Le Tissier disgusts me....Aunty Lovren speaks and she knows what a calculating arse wipe she really is...oh dear it runs in the family...saddo times in my family!!! brighton saint
  • Score: 5

10:28pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Mosschops wrote:
slugger wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .
Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.
Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.
[quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .[/p][/quote]Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.[/p][/quote]Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 13

10:32pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
slugger wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .
Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.
Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.
That's why it beggars belief.Its like owning a Ming vase,and then smashing it on the floor..you just don't do it.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .[/p][/quote]Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.[/p][/quote]Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.[/p][/quote]That's why it beggars belief.Its like owning a Ming vase,and then smashing it on the floor..you just don't do it. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 10

10:33pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Invidia says...

Question to the lemmings if there are better players out there than what we have sold why is Liverpool buying our not so better players then?
Question to the lemmings if there are better players out there than what we have sold why is Liverpool buying our not so better players then? Invidia
  • Score: 4

10:37pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

one in the crowd wrote:
gorgonorto wrote:
Still think this will be a great season! These are my predictions:

1- Chelsea
2- Man City
3- Arsenal
4-Man United
5-Everton
6-SOUTHAMPTON
7-Scummy Spurs
8-Liverhampton
9-Stoke
10-Sunderland
11-Crystal Palace
12-West Ham
13-Newpardew
14-Hull City
15-Swansea
16-Aston Villa
17-QPR
18-West Brom
19-Leicester City
20-Burley
Having looked at your prediction of the premier league at the end of next season, I think you ought to see a mental health expert as Southampton are likely to end up in the relegation zone next season.
If Saint's don't start bringing in new players soon, then all the good ones will be taken and the window will close in their face.
That's a bit patronising Search..not like you!
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gorgonorto[/bold] wrote: Still think this will be a great season! These are my predictions: 1- Chelsea 2- Man City 3- Arsenal 4-Man United 5-Everton 6-SOUTHAMPTON 7-Scummy Spurs 8-Liverhampton 9-Stoke 10-Sunderland 11-Crystal Palace 12-West Ham 13-Newpardew 14-Hull City 15-Swansea 16-Aston Villa 17-QPR 18-West Brom 19-Leicester City 20-Burley[/p][/quote]Having looked at your prediction of the premier league at the end of next season, I think you ought to see a mental health expert as Southampton are likely to end up in the relegation zone next season. If Saint's don't start bringing in new players soon, then all the good ones will be taken and the window will close in their face.[/p][/quote]That's a bit patronising Search..not like you! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

10:38pm Sun 20 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

Thankyounicola wrote:
16 million after rejecting alleged 20 million offer?? Why Les couldn't you ask for more?
They got £75 million for Suarez . Why do we sell cheap? Is the need for money that bad?
The board are obviously very naive when it comes to football finances and transfers ! ! !
[quote][p][bold]Thankyounicola[/bold] wrote: 16 million after rejecting alleged 20 million offer?? Why Les couldn't you ask for more? They got £75 million for Suarez . Why do we sell cheap? Is the need for money that bad?[/p][/quote]The board are obviously very naive when it comes to football finances and transfers ! ! ! one in the crowd
  • Score: -2

10:39pm Sun 20 Jul 14

slugger says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
slugger wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .
Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.
Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.
Clearly our players have been unsettled by the media (even a skate could see this) ........ Do you notice that none of the "big teams" are bidding against eachother ? ......... They're taking turns !
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .[/p][/quote]Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.[/p][/quote]Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.[/p][/quote]Clearly our players have been unsettled by the media (even a skate could see this) ........ Do you notice that none of the "big teams" are bidding against eachother ? ......... They're taking turns ! slugger
  • Score: 9

10:40pm Sun 20 Jul 14

cpnhadock says...

Love what our club did last season but hate the fickleness of today's game in the 'big clubs'.

As far as I am concerned, I wish Lambo well because he is our fairytale. I wish shaw well because we were well paid & we got a handsome fee for a player whom was professional (Atleast externally) about his move.
But - I hope that Lallana becomes a very average player who is relatively unused whilst lovren has a season full of howlers up on merseyside.

The fact is that clubs that contribute to the actual development of the game in England are unable to get the chance to grow bigger and compete with the big boys - we are always forced to sell best players like many other clubs around us.

I have heard many times man united fans complaining of the way that city bought their 'big club status' - the fact is that it is the only way anyone can force their way into the 'big club' clique.

From here on in I pray that I get to watch united, Liverpool & Tottenham crumble and publicly ruined. Fingers crossed that their new look sides don't live up to their investments.

I hope that Ronald can find players with real talent but more importantly with heart & a love for the game.

We have our stripes back & we have even got a player called Pele (2nd L removed for dramatic effect!)

Come on you Reds (& white stripes!)
Love what our club did last season but hate the fickleness of today's game in the 'big clubs'. As far as I am concerned, I wish Lambo well because he is our fairytale. I wish shaw well because we were well paid & we got a handsome fee for a player whom was professional (Atleast externally) about his move. But - I hope that Lallana becomes a very average player who is relatively unused whilst lovren has a season full of howlers up on merseyside. The fact is that clubs that contribute to the actual development of the game in England are unable to get the chance to grow bigger and compete with the big boys - we are always forced to sell best players like many other clubs around us. I have heard many times man united fans complaining of the way that city bought their 'big club status' - the fact is that it is the only way anyone can force their way into the 'big club' clique. From here on in I pray that I get to watch united, Liverpool & Tottenham crumble and publicly ruined. Fingers crossed that their new look sides don't live up to their investments. I hope that Ronald can find players with real talent but more importantly with heart & a love for the game. We have our stripes back & we have even got a player called Pele (2nd L removed for dramatic effect!) Come on you Reds (& white stripes!) cpnhadock
  • Score: 18

10:43pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Mosschops says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
All the freaks are out tonight salivating at some news they can use to fuel their tales of doom - some of them might even be saints fans. And then there's the rest of us who are worried but are a little more rational and prefer to err on the side of optimism. It's not asset stripping, that neither makes business sense nor fits with a Billionairess's memory of her father. It is Kat reigning things in rather than going for our is gutting and I think a mistake, but understandable. It's her money. That's all. The 5 that have gone is just modern football. Ricky fine - we all agree; Lallana is 26 and this is his chance (he could have gone about it better), Luke should of stayed a season or two, but he chose the bright lights of Old Trafford; Lovren is a mercenary c#n@. The board have no realistic choice than to get top dollar (and they did) and invest wisely. I'm happy with the two we have in being at least as good as we sold. So get Vlaar or Caulker, a decent left back to compete with Targett meaning we have the same quality squad as last season plus being in a very sound financial position (hopefully to buy a GK and a forward) For 5 years in every transfer window the doom merchants and trolls are on here spreading panic because we haven't bought anyone then every time buy well. Maybe we will for the first time in years be disappointed, of course we have a pessimistic side that worries - we're Saints fans. But why are some people so absolutely certain this time is completely different?
Because of the sheer volume of the departures from chairman, through the management team to captain and several other first teamers with possibly more to go. Never seen anything like this in my many years of being a football fan.
2 scenarios from this point in time: We buy nothing bar a couple of squad players and/or we lose one or more of Morgan/Jayrod/ Clyne/Cork. OR we lose no more and buy Vlarr/Caulker and a couple more diamonds. Why not react when we find out?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: All the freaks are out tonight salivating at some news they can use to fuel their tales of doom - some of them might even be saints fans. And then there's the rest of us who are worried but are a little more rational and prefer to err on the side of optimism. It's not asset stripping, that neither makes business sense nor fits with a Billionairess's memory of her father. It is Kat reigning things in rather than going for our is gutting and I think a mistake, but understandable. It's her money. That's all. The 5 that have gone is just modern football. Ricky fine - we all agree; Lallana is 26 and this is his chance (he could have gone about it better), Luke should of stayed a season or two, but he chose the bright lights of Old Trafford; Lovren is a mercenary c#n@. The board have no realistic choice than to get top dollar (and they did) and invest wisely. I'm happy with the two we have in being at least as good as we sold. So get Vlaar or Caulker, a decent left back to compete with Targett meaning we have the same quality squad as last season plus being in a very sound financial position (hopefully to buy a GK and a forward) For 5 years in every transfer window the doom merchants and trolls are on here spreading panic because we haven't bought anyone then every time buy well. Maybe we will for the first time in years be disappointed, of course we have a pessimistic side that worries - we're Saints fans. But why are some people so absolutely certain this time is completely different?[/p][/quote]Because of the sheer volume of the departures from chairman, through the management team to captain and several other first teamers with possibly more to go. Never seen anything like this in my many years of being a football fan.[/p][/quote]2 scenarios from this point in time: We buy nothing bar a couple of squad players and/or we lose one or more of Morgan/Jayrod/ Clyne/Cork. OR we lose no more and buy Vlarr/Caulker and a couple more diamonds. Why not react when we find out? Mosschops
  • Score: 7

10:44pm Sun 20 Jul 14

FindAndDestroy says...

Crispinmumbles wrote:
FindAndDestroy wrote:
Let him go... we don't want to keep players who don't want to be here... but don't let him go on the cheap..... please toughen up..

Without a doubt he is a good defender, but what made them look better was the line up we had last season, with the protective shields of WANYAMA and Morgan made their lives a lot easier...

coz we played as a unit..

whether they are going to repeat the same performance elsewhere still to be seen, only time will tell...

Please RoKo get more signings.
I wish I could post a picture of Brendan Rodgers holding Saints Flag in his hand...

just like the third picture on this website..

http://www.elcrema.c


om/2014/07/19/fans-m


ock-mourinho-and-che


lsea/

coz the only market hes seen is the Saints....



Footy is about money these days, no sense of loyalty whatsoever...
Agree entirely, he can feck off. Caulker would do me, gives away fewer stupid penalties & is faster, I would like to see Marshall come in too, quality keeper and obvious;y a left back & winger or two. Lets get Cork tied up on a long term contract, that would be a great signing.
Mind you!!! we also have a few coming from the academy.....

so the future doesn't look bad at all....
[quote][p][bold]Crispinmumbles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: Let him go... we don't want to keep players who don't want to be here... but don't let him go on the cheap..... please toughen up.. Without a doubt he is a good defender, but what made them look better was the line up we had last season, with the protective shields of WANYAMA and Morgan made their lives a lot easier... coz we played as a unit.. whether they are going to repeat the same performance elsewhere still to be seen, only time will tell... Please RoKo get more signings. I wish I could post a picture of Brendan Rodgers holding Saints Flag in his hand... just like the third picture on this website.. http://www.elcrema.c om/2014/07/19/fans-m ock-mourinho-and-che lsea/ coz the only market hes seen is the Saints.... Footy is about money these days, no sense of loyalty whatsoever...[/p][/quote]Agree entirely, he can feck off. Caulker would do me, gives away fewer stupid penalties & is faster, I would like to see Marshall come in too, quality keeper and obvious;y a left back & winger or two. Lets get Cork tied up on a long term contract, that would be a great signing.[/p][/quote]Mind you!!! we also have a few coming from the academy..... so the future doesn't look bad at all.... FindAndDestroy
  • Score: 8

10:44pm Sun 20 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

03alpe01 wrote:
And so the exodus continues.
Where are all the idiots who said this was all paper talk???
Their heads are probably still buried in the sand.
They refused to believe that a single player would leave and we'd be challenging the top 4 next season.
People like you, me, seed, redandy etc.
saw all this coming and were berated for expressing such negative views.

This was all so obvious from the day Cortese resigned.
...And it ain't over yet.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: And so the exodus continues. Where are all the idiots who said this was all paper talk???[/p][/quote]Their heads are probably still buried in the sand. They refused to believe that a single player would leave and we'd be challenging the top 4 next season. People like you, me, seed, redandy etc. saw all this coming and were berated for expressing such negative views. This was all so obvious from the day Cortese resigned. ...And it ain't over yet. costa gaz
  • Score: 6

10:45pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Dave Brown says...

Hasn'tthe man who did not speak English left the club.
Why has the board become so tight lipped and has the Chairman left?.
Hasn'tthe man who did not speak English left the club. Why has the board become so tight lipped and has the Chairman left?. Dave Brown
  • Score: 10

10:49pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

slugger wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
slugger wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .
Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.
Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.
Clearly our players have been unsettled by the media (even a skate could see this) ........ Do you notice that none of the "big teams" are bidding against eachother ? ......... They're taking turns !
Liverpool seem to have a lot of turns.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .[/p][/quote]Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.[/p][/quote]Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.[/p][/quote]Clearly our players have been unsettled by the media (even a skate could see this) ........ Do you notice that none of the "big teams" are bidding against eachother ? ......... They're taking turns ![/p][/quote]Liverpool seem to have a lot of turns. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 11

10:51pm Sun 20 Jul 14

tarquin farquharson says...

saintmac wrote:
Although I do not like Lovren's attitude it is very worrying that Koeman can't persuade the player to stay. I believe this mirrors the Clubs lack of ambition and that Morgan will follow shortly with Jay Rod departing when he has recovered from injury and possibly others. I feel sorry for Koeman who has been placed in an impossible position and will be on the receiving end of the
fans anger when results go against us when imho it is the Owner and Board who are responsible for this fiasco. I am not fllled with hope with the names we have been linked with and what should on paper be a
relatively easy start to the season will now be a struggle with the team
comprising low key new players and youngsters who will find it difficult to gel together let alone adapt to the Prem League.
Spot on.

Pelle will be an Osvaldo MK II.

He will not hack it in the Prem.

No adequate replacements will sign on when they look at who has left/ who is leaving.

We've been screwed.
[quote][p][bold]saintmac[/bold] wrote: Although I do not like Lovren's attitude it is very worrying that Koeman can't persuade the player to stay. I believe this mirrors the Clubs lack of ambition and that Morgan will follow shortly with Jay Rod departing when he has recovered from injury and possibly others. I feel sorry for Koeman who has been placed in an impossible position and will be on the receiving end of the fans anger when results go against us when imho it is the Owner and Board who are responsible for this fiasco. I am not fllled with hope with the names we have been linked with and what should on paper be a relatively easy start to the season will now be a struggle with the team comprising low key new players and youngsters who will find it difficult to gel together let alone adapt to the Prem League.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Pelle will be an Osvaldo MK II. He will not hack it in the Prem. No adequate replacements will sign on when they look at who has left/ who is leaving. We've been screwed. tarquin farquharson
  • Score: 4

10:51pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Mosschops says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
slugger wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .
Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.
Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.
Ah I see your angle. Absolutely gutting Kat didn't want to take the gamble I agree - Even without my emotional biase I think it was a gamble worth taking. But it's her money and I understand her stance.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .[/p][/quote]Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.[/p][/quote]Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.[/p][/quote]Ah I see your angle. Absolutely gutting Kat didn't want to take the gamble I agree - Even without my emotional biase I think it was a gamble worth taking. But it's her money and I understand her stance. Mosschops
  • Score: -2

10:52pm Sun 20 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
slugger wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
slugger wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .
Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.
Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.
Clearly our players have been unsettled by the media (even a skate could see this) ........ Do you notice that none of the "big teams" are bidding against eachother ? ......... They're taking turns !
Liverpool seem to have a lot of turns.
our players were not unsettled by the media... they were unsettled by the England-boys-club... and also someone else has been operating in the shadows and no doubt pocketing from this.... I wonder who....
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .[/p][/quote]Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.[/p][/quote]Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.[/p][/quote]Clearly our players have been unsettled by the media (even a skate could see this) ........ Do you notice that none of the "big teams" are bidding against eachother ? ......... They're taking turns ![/p][/quote]Liverpool seem to have a lot of turns.[/p][/quote]our players were not unsettled by the media... they were unsettled by the England-boys-club... and also someone else has been operating in the shadows and no doubt pocketing from this.... I wonder who.... steekeemcglue
  • Score: 4

10:53pm Sun 20 Jul 14

03alpe01 says...

"
Don't worry guys Pochettino will sign a new contract for sure. This is a club going places

Les Reed said there will not be a firesale, so therefore there will not be one

Adam Lallana is the most loyal player we've had since Le Tissier

Man Utd aren't in Europe this season, so Luke Shaw won't go there

"

God some people can be so thick!
" Don't worry guys Pochettino will sign a new contract for sure. This is a club going places Les Reed said there will not be a firesale, so therefore there will not be one Adam Lallana is the most loyal player we've had since Le Tissier Man Utd aren't in Europe this season, so Luke Shaw won't go there " God some people can be so thick! 03alpe01
  • Score: 14

10:55pm Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

echo1948 wrote:
We are witnessing the systematic dismantling of the team purely for financial gain on Katherina,s part. Those of us with long memories will remember a certain Rupert Lowe doing the same thing and we all remember the aftermath of that episode in Saints history.
I think you are right in some ways, but I think you have the wrong person to blame, it has been noticeable that as soon as we became a threat to the big boys, that there has been a steady undermining of everything we have done, somehow I don't think it is Kat Liebherr that is behind it, I think we need to look elsewhere.
Another thing that has me thinking is that Liverpool now have so many players, how on earth are they going to keep these overpaid, highly sensitive individuals, sweet, when they realise they aren't getting on the bench, let alone any game time, you can only start with XI the same as the rest of the teams. I predict some very bitter squabbles to be seen in the near future, they may all be greedy, money grabbing individuals, but they also need to be doing what they are paid for. There won't be many loaned to Premier sides, and those that are won't be allowed to play against them, but allowed to do damage to their rivals. Others will be palmed off overseas as has already happened. The Beautiful Game is being seriously corrupted by a few at the expense of the rest. In my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: We are witnessing the systematic dismantling of the team purely for financial gain on Katherina,s part. Those of us with long memories will remember a certain Rupert Lowe doing the same thing and we all remember the aftermath of that episode in Saints history.[/p][/quote]I think you are right in some ways, but I think you have the wrong person to blame, it has been noticeable that as soon as we became a threat to the big boys, that there has been a steady undermining of everything we have done, somehow I don't think it is Kat Liebherr that is behind it, I think we need to look elsewhere. Another thing that has me thinking is that Liverpool now have so many players, how on earth are they going to keep these overpaid, highly sensitive individuals, sweet, when they realise they aren't getting on the bench, let alone any game time, you can only start with XI the same as the rest of the teams. I predict some very bitter squabbles to be seen in the near future, they may all be greedy, money grabbing individuals, but they also need to be doing what they are paid for. There won't be many loaned to Premier sides, and those that are won't be allowed to play against them, but allowed to do damage to their rivals. Others will be palmed off overseas as has already happened. The Beautiful Game is being seriously corrupted by a few at the expense of the rest. In my opinion. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 23

10:57pm Sun 20 Jul 14

echo1948 says...

costa gaz wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
And so the exodus continues.
Where are all the idiots who said this was all paper talk???
Their heads are probably still buried in the sand.
They refused to believe that a single player would leave and we'd be challenging the top 4 next season.
People like you, me, seed, redandy etc.
saw all this coming and were berated for expressing such negative views.

This was all so obvious from the day Cortese resigned.
...And it ain't over yet.
And me! Iv,e been saying this for weeks but have been told I was being negative.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: And so the exodus continues. Where are all the idiots who said this was all paper talk???[/p][/quote]Their heads are probably still buried in the sand. They refused to believe that a single player would leave and we'd be challenging the top 4 next season. People like you, me, seed, redandy etc. saw all this coming and were berated for expressing such negative views. This was all so obvious from the day Cortese resigned. ...And it ain't over yet.[/p][/quote]And me! Iv,e been saying this for weeks but have been told I was being negative. echo1948
  • Score: -1

10:57pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
slugger wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .
Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.
Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.
Ah I see your angle. Absolutely gutting Kat didn't want to take the gamble I agree - Even without my emotional biase I think it was a gamble worth taking. But it's her money and I understand her stance.
Yes. What we need is a billionaire to buy us cheaply, build a strong team with cheap buys and lots of quality academy players and get us into the top eight.
[quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .[/p][/quote]Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.[/p][/quote]Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.[/p][/quote]Ah I see your angle. Absolutely gutting Kat didn't want to take the gamble I agree - Even without my emotional biase I think it was a gamble worth taking. But it's her money and I understand her stance.[/p][/quote]Yes. What we need is a billionaire to buy us cheaply, build a strong team with cheap buys and lots of quality academy players and get us into the top eight. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 14

10:58pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Invidia says...

I like the look of the players Saints are linked with John Guidetti not sure of the spelling young Man city striker, Tosic Serbian left back and of course Vlaar. but to stay true to form and be a neggie if it takes so long to sign these players they will be too old to play and of course none of these are experienced PL players. we are very good at selling players but not much experience of buying hoh hum
I like the look of the players Saints are linked with John Guidetti not sure of the spelling young Man city striker, Tosic Serbian left back and of course Vlaar. but to stay true to form and be a neggie if it takes so long to sign these players they will be too old to play and of course none of these are experienced PL players. we are very good at selling players but not much experience of buying hoh hum Invidia
  • Score: 10

10:59pm Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

03alpe01 wrote:
"
Don't worry guys Pochettino will sign a new contract for sure. This is a club going places

Les Reed said there will not be a firesale, so therefore there will not be one

Adam Lallana is the most loyal player we've had since Le Tissier

Man Utd aren't in Europe this season, so Luke Shaw won't go there

"

God some people can be so thick!
There are a few warped individuals taking a great deal of pleasure out of the discomfort being caused to decent Saint supporters, there is no way a real fan would behave in such a despicable manner, please take time to step back a see what you are doing.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: " Don't worry guys Pochettino will sign a new contract for sure. This is a club going places Les Reed said there will not be a firesale, so therefore there will not be one Adam Lallana is the most loyal player we've had since Le Tissier Man Utd aren't in Europe this season, so Luke Shaw won't go there " God some people can be so thick![/p][/quote]There are a few warped individuals taking a great deal of pleasure out of the discomfort being caused to decent Saint supporters, there is no way a real fan would behave in such a despicable manner, please take time to step back a see what you are doing. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 5

11:01pm Sun 20 Jul 14

03alpe01 says...

03alpe01 wrote:
"
Don't worry guys Pochettino will sign a new contract for sure. This is a club going places

Les Reed said there will not be a firesale, so therefore there will not be one

Adam Lallana is the most loyal player we've had since Le Tissier

Man Utd aren't in Europe this season, so Luke Shaw won't go there

"

God some people can be so thick!
Forgot to add the classic one of:

" We're not a selling club "
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: " Don't worry guys Pochettino will sign a new contract for sure. This is a club going places Les Reed said there will not be a firesale, so therefore there will not be one Adam Lallana is the most loyal player we've had since Le Tissier Man Utd aren't in Europe this season, so Luke Shaw won't go there " God some people can be so thick![/p][/quote]Forgot to add the classic one of: " We're not a selling club " 03alpe01
  • Score: 14

11:01pm Sun 20 Jul 14

KSO16R says...

donni1437 wrote:
Well done to the board, really lowering expectations for the coming season. Why would any player with a little ambition want to stay at the club now?
We dont want players with a little ambition we want players with a lot of ambition!
[quote][p][bold]donni1437[/bold] wrote: Well done to the board, really lowering expectations for the coming season. Why would any player with a little ambition want to stay at the club now?[/p][/quote]We dont want players with a little ambition we want players with a lot of ambition! KSO16R
  • Score: 5

11:02pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Mosschops says...

tarquin farquharson wrote:
saintmac wrote:
Although I do not like Lovren's attitude it is very worrying that Koeman can't persuade the player to stay. I believe this mirrors the Clubs lack of ambition and that Morgan will follow shortly with Jay Rod departing when he has recovered from injury and possibly others. I feel sorry for Koeman who has been placed in an impossible position and will be on the receiving end of the
fans anger when results go against us when imho it is the Owner and Board who are responsible for this fiasco. I am not fllled with hope with the names we have been linked with and what should on paper be a
relatively easy start to the season will now be a struggle with the team
comprising low key new players and youngsters who will find it difficult to gel together let alone adapt to the Prem League.
Spot on.

Pelle will be an Osvaldo MK II.

He will not hack it in the Prem.

No adequate replacements will sign on when they look at who has left/ who is leaving.

We've been screwed.
Thats a mere prediction written as it's a matter of fact.
[quote][p][bold]tarquin farquharson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintmac[/bold] wrote: Although I do not like Lovren's attitude it is very worrying that Koeman can't persuade the player to stay. I believe this mirrors the Clubs lack of ambition and that Morgan will follow shortly with Jay Rod departing when he has recovered from injury and possibly others. I feel sorry for Koeman who has been placed in an impossible position and will be on the receiving end of the fans anger when results go against us when imho it is the Owner and Board who are responsible for this fiasco. I am not fllled with hope with the names we have been linked with and what should on paper be a relatively easy start to the season will now be a struggle with the team comprising low key new players and youngsters who will find it difficult to gel together let alone adapt to the Prem League.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Pelle will be an Osvaldo MK II. He will not hack it in the Prem. No adequate replacements will sign on when they look at who has left/ who is leaving. We've been screwed.[/p][/quote]Thats a mere prediction written as it's a matter of fact. Mosschops
  • Score: 2

11:04pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Mosschops wrote:
tarquin farquharson wrote:
saintmac wrote:
Although I do not like Lovren's attitude it is very worrying that Koeman can't persuade the player to stay. I believe this mirrors the Clubs lack of ambition and that Morgan will follow shortly with Jay Rod departing when he has recovered from injury and possibly others. I feel sorry for Koeman who has been placed in an impossible position and will be on the receiving end of the
fans anger when results go against us when imho it is the Owner and Board who are responsible for this fiasco. I am not fllled with hope with the names we have been linked with and what should on paper be a
relatively easy start to the season will now be a struggle with the team
comprising low key new players and youngsters who will find it difficult to gel together let alone adapt to the Prem League.
Spot on.

Pelle will be an Osvaldo MK II.

He will not hack it in the Prem.

No adequate replacements will sign on when they look at who has left/ who is leaving.

We've been screwed.
Thats a mere prediction written as it's a matter of fact.
Tarquin needs to get back to the dorm..must be lights out by now.
[quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tarquin farquharson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintmac[/bold] wrote: Although I do not like Lovren's attitude it is very worrying that Koeman can't persuade the player to stay. I believe this mirrors the Clubs lack of ambition and that Morgan will follow shortly with Jay Rod departing when he has recovered from injury and possibly others. I feel sorry for Koeman who has been placed in an impossible position and will be on the receiving end of the fans anger when results go against us when imho it is the Owner and Board who are responsible for this fiasco. I am not fllled with hope with the names we have been linked with and what should on paper be a relatively easy start to the season will now be a struggle with the team comprising low key new players and youngsters who will find it difficult to gel together let alone adapt to the Prem League.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Pelle will be an Osvaldo MK II. He will not hack it in the Prem. No adequate replacements will sign on when they look at who has left/ who is leaving. We've been screwed.[/p][/quote]Thats a mere prediction written as it's a matter of fact.[/p][/quote]Tarquin needs to get back to the dorm..must be lights out by now. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -6

11:06pm Sun 20 Jul 14

bullsbags says...

It's funny
3 weeks ago I said the board were clueless and got a load of thumbs down I STAND BY MY COMENT and I bet in 3 weeks time I will be proved right,if not before
Reed is a yes man and Freddie wouldn't know the difference between a football and a hairy ball
It's funny 3 weeks ago I said the board were clueless and got a load of thumbs down I STAND BY MY COMENT and I bet in 3 weeks time I will be proved right,if not before Reed is a yes man and Freddie wouldn't know the difference between a football and a hairy ball bullsbags
  • Score: 7

11:06pm Sun 20 Jul 14

saintgibbo says...

echo1948 wrote:
We are witnessing the systematic dismantling of the team purely for financial gain on Katherina,s part. Those of us with long memories will remember a certain Rupert Lowe doing the same thing and we all remember the aftermath of that episode in Saints history.
That's total carp. If the top bods were dismantling the club they would not have brought in a top name like koeman. They would not have brought in two of the hottest players in the Dutch league. From the moment Cortese went it was almost inevitable that poch would go and the season Lallana and Shaw had they would be targeted. Be patient and have faith.
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: We are witnessing the systematic dismantling of the team purely for financial gain on Katherina,s part. Those of us with long memories will remember a certain Rupert Lowe doing the same thing and we all remember the aftermath of that episode in Saints history.[/p][/quote]That's total carp. If the top bods were dismantling the club they would not have brought in a top name like koeman. They would not have brought in two of the hottest players in the Dutch league. From the moment Cortese went it was almost inevitable that poch would go and the season Lallana and Shaw had they would be targeted. Be patient and have faith. saintgibbo
  • Score: 11

11:07pm Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
All the freaks are out tonight salivating at some news they can use to fuel their tales of doom - some of them might even be saints fans. And then there's the rest of us who are worried but are a little more rational and prefer to err on the side of optimism. It's not asset stripping, that neither makes business sense nor fits with a Billionairess's memory of her father. It is Kat reigning things in rather than going for our is gutting and I think a mistake, but understandable. It's her money. That's all. The 5 that have gone is just modern football. Ricky fine - we all agree; Lallana is 26 and this is his chance (he could have gone about it better), Luke should of stayed a season or two, but he chose the bright lights of Old Trafford; Lovren is a mercenary c#n@. The board have no realistic choice than to get top dollar (and they did) and invest wisely. I'm happy with the two we have in being at least as good as we sold. So get Vlaar or Caulker, a decent left back to compete with Targett meaning we have the same quality squad as last season plus being in a very sound financial position (hopefully to buy a GK and a forward) For 5 years in every transfer window the doom merchants and trolls are on here spreading panic because we haven't bought anyone then every time buy well. Maybe we will for the first time in years be disappointed, of course we have a pessimistic side that worries - we're Saints fans. But why are some people so absolutely certain this time is completely different?
Because of the sheer volume of the departures from chairman, through the management team to captain and several other first teamers with possibly more to go. Never seen anything like this in my many years of being a football fan.
2 scenarios from this point in time: We buy nothing bar a couple of squad players and/or we lose one or more of Morgan/Jayrod/ Clyne/Cork. OR we lose no more and buy Vlarr/Caulker and a couple more diamonds. Why not react when we find out?
What do you suggest in the event of scenario one? Riots, Ceremonial burning of the Season Tickets, Strong letters to your local MP, plea for help from the Kremlin, or just not bother to turn up, vote with your feet, better still lets all go to Fratton Park and have a party. What can we do to change the apparent end of days at St Marys, please tell me.
[quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: All the freaks are out tonight salivating at some news they can use to fuel their tales of doom - some of them might even be saints fans. And then there's the rest of us who are worried but are a little more rational and prefer to err on the side of optimism. It's not asset stripping, that neither makes business sense nor fits with a Billionairess's memory of her father. It is Kat reigning things in rather than going for our is gutting and I think a mistake, but understandable. It's her money. That's all. The 5 that have gone is just modern football. Ricky fine - we all agree; Lallana is 26 and this is his chance (he could have gone about it better), Luke should of stayed a season or two, but he chose the bright lights of Old Trafford; Lovren is a mercenary c#n@. The board have no realistic choice than to get top dollar (and they did) and invest wisely. I'm happy with the two we have in being at least as good as we sold. So get Vlaar or Caulker, a decent left back to compete with Targett meaning we have the same quality squad as last season plus being in a very sound financial position (hopefully to buy a GK and a forward) For 5 years in every transfer window the doom merchants and trolls are on here spreading panic because we haven't bought anyone then every time buy well. Maybe we will for the first time in years be disappointed, of course we have a pessimistic side that worries - we're Saints fans. But why are some people so absolutely certain this time is completely different?[/p][/quote]Because of the sheer volume of the departures from chairman, through the management team to captain and several other first teamers with possibly more to go. Never seen anything like this in my many years of being a football fan.[/p][/quote]2 scenarios from this point in time: We buy nothing bar a couple of squad players and/or we lose one or more of Morgan/Jayrod/ Clyne/Cork. OR we lose no more and buy Vlarr/Caulker and a couple more diamonds. Why not react when we find out?[/p][/quote]What do you suggest in the event of scenario one? Riots, Ceremonial burning of the Season Tickets, Strong letters to your local MP, plea for help from the Kremlin, or just not bother to turn up, vote with your feet, better still lets all go to Fratton Park and have a party. What can we do to change the apparent end of days at St Marys, please tell me. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:09pm Sun 20 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

Just to cheer everyone up before bedtime.
The board have given us back our unbranded stripes back, we're sponsored by a company that no one as ever heard of and we have got LED floodlights.

Why oh why did our best players leave when we had all this going for us.
Just to cheer everyone up before bedtime. The board have given us back our unbranded stripes back, we're sponsored by a company that no one as ever heard of and we have got LED floodlights. Why oh why did our best players leave when we had all this going for us. costa gaz
  • Score: 18

11:10pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Mosschops says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
slugger wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .
Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.
Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.
Ah I see your angle. Absolutely gutting Kat didn't want to take the gamble I agree - Even without my emotional biase I think it was a gamble worth taking. But it's her money and I understand her stance.
Yes. What we need is a billionaire to buy us cheaply, build a strong team with cheap buys and lots of quality academy players and get us into the top eight.
Now I really don't get your angle? You've just neatly summarised the last 5 years in the form of a prediction without going on to actually state anything.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .[/p][/quote]Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.[/p][/quote]Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.[/p][/quote]Ah I see your angle. Absolutely gutting Kat didn't want to take the gamble I agree - Even without my emotional biase I think it was a gamble worth taking. But it's her money and I understand her stance.[/p][/quote]Yes. What we need is a billionaire to buy us cheaply, build a strong team with cheap buys and lots of quality academy players and get us into the top eight.[/p][/quote]Now I really don't get your angle? You've just neatly summarised the last 5 years in the form of a prediction without going on to actually state anything. Mosschops
  • Score: -7

11:10pm Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

bullsbags wrote:
It's funny
3 weeks ago I said the board were clueless and got a load of thumbs down I STAND BY MY COMENT and I bet in 3 weeks time I will be proved right,if not before
Reed is a yes man and Freddie wouldn't know the difference between a football and a hairy ball
You keep telling us this load of bs, ad nauseam, but you haven't come up with a solution, nor has any other neggie to my knowledge. What do you suggest we can do about it?
[quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: It's funny 3 weeks ago I said the board were clueless and got a load of thumbs down I STAND BY MY COMENT and I bet in 3 weeks time I will be proved right,if not before Reed is a yes man and Freddie wouldn't know the difference between a football and a hairy ball[/p][/quote]You keep telling us this load of bs, ad nauseam, but you haven't come up with a solution, nor has any other neggie to my knowledge. What do you suggest we can do about it? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

11:11pm Sun 20 Jul 14

03alpe01 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
"
Don't worry guys Pochettino will sign a new contract for sure. This is a club going places

Les Reed said there will not be a firesale, so therefore there will not be one

Adam Lallana is the most loyal player we've had since Le Tissier

Man Utd aren't in Europe this season, so Luke Shaw won't go there

"

God some people can be so thick!
There are a few warped individuals taking a great deal of pleasure out of the discomfort being caused to decent Saint supporters, there is no way a real fan would behave in such a despicable manner, please take time to step back a see what you are doing.
what I'm doing? It is not me who is doing anything, but the media. The Premier League is a six team league nowadays. Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea and Liverpool are the only teams worth bothering about in the Premier League now. The media know it and so do the players. Nobody cares what happens to the other 14 teams in the Premier League, just so long as Sky and the big six get their big fat payouts and continue to prosper.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: " Don't worry guys Pochettino will sign a new contract for sure. This is a club going places Les Reed said there will not be a firesale, so therefore there will not be one Adam Lallana is the most loyal player we've had since Le Tissier Man Utd aren't in Europe this season, so Luke Shaw won't go there " God some people can be so thick![/p][/quote]There are a few warped individuals taking a great deal of pleasure out of the discomfort being caused to decent Saint supporters, there is no way a real fan would behave in such a despicable manner, please take time to step back a see what you are doing.[/p][/quote]what I'm doing? It is not me who is doing anything, but the media. The Premier League is a six team league nowadays. Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea and Liverpool are the only teams worth bothering about in the Premier League now. The media know it and so do the players. Nobody cares what happens to the other 14 teams in the Premier League, just so long as Sky and the big six get their big fat payouts and continue to prosper. 03alpe01
  • Score: 22

11:12pm Sun 20 Jul 14

KSO16R says...

What a bunch of babies! It's a game! Who cares who plays you will still be singing their names out like a load of fools! Support southampton fc!
What a bunch of babies! It's a game! Who cares who plays you will still be singing their names out like a load of fools! Support southampton fc! KSO16R
  • Score: -3

11:13pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
slugger wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .
Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.
Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.
Ah I see your angle. Absolutely gutting Kat didn't want to take the gamble I agree - Even without my emotional biase I think it was a gamble worth taking. But it's her money and I understand her stance.
Yes. What we need is a billionaire to buy us cheaply, build a strong team with cheap buys and lots of quality academy players and get us into the top eight.
Now I really don't get your angle? You've just neatly summarised the last 5 years in the form of a prediction without going on to actually state anything.
Read it again Mossie,and think irony... ;0)
[quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .[/p][/quote]Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.[/p][/quote]Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.[/p][/quote]Ah I see your angle. Absolutely gutting Kat didn't want to take the gamble I agree - Even without my emotional biase I think it was a gamble worth taking. But it's her money and I understand her stance.[/p][/quote]Yes. What we need is a billionaire to buy us cheaply, build a strong team with cheap buys and lots of quality academy players and get us into the top eight.[/p][/quote]Now I really don't get your angle? You've just neatly summarised the last 5 years in the form of a prediction without going on to actually state anything.[/p][/quote]Read it again Mossie,and think irony... ;0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 6

11:14pm Sun 20 Jul 14

slugger says...

Good grief .
Good grief . slugger
  • Score: 1

11:15pm Sun 20 Jul 14

GHamilton says...

I'm afraid we have to accept that modern day players in the premiership, use the excuse that they want to play in the Champions League, merely to hide the real reason for moving ...MONEY. Sounds somewhat better to say I want CL football than, I want to triple or quadruple my wages. So offer him £200k a week, tell him he's the best centre half in the prem, and see what he says......when he changes his mind and goes to sign, then......well then we can tell him to P*** **F!!!
I'm afraid we have to accept that modern day players in the premiership, use the excuse that they want to play in the Champions League, merely to hide the real reason for moving ...MONEY. Sounds somewhat better to say I want CL football than, I want to triple or quadruple my wages. So offer him £200k a week, tell him he's the best centre half in the prem, and see what he says......when he changes his mind and goes to sign, then......well then we can tell him to P*** **F!!! GHamilton
  • Score: 12

11:17pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Invidia says...

Osprey as chief lemming do you always accept what is given you without complaint and not ask questions, or do you sometimes say this is not right someone is taking me for a fool, I agree as mere fans we are helpless but at least you may not feel a fool if you voice your displeasure at times
Osprey as chief lemming do you always accept what is given you without complaint and not ask questions, or do you sometimes say this is not right someone is taking me for a fool, I agree as mere fans we are helpless but at least you may not feel a fool if you voice your displeasure at times Invidia
  • Score: 8

11:18pm Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

slugger wrote:
Good grief .
Mostly bad grief as I see it at the moment, it can only get better.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: Good grief .[/p][/quote]Mostly bad grief as I see it at the moment, it can only get better. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

11:19pm Sun 20 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
slugger wrote:
Good grief .
Mostly bad grief as I see it at the moment, it can only get better.
Sorry Osprey, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: Good grief .[/p][/quote]Mostly bad grief as I see it at the moment, it can only get better.[/p][/quote]Sorry Osprey, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. costa gaz
  • Score: 9

11:22pm Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Invidia wrote:
Osprey as chief lemming do you always accept what is given you without complaint and not ask questions, or do you sometimes say this is not right someone is taking me for a fool, I agree as mere fans we are helpless but at least you may not feel a fool if you voice your displeasure at times
I think I have been showing a bit of fight tonight, hopeless when you haven't got anything to fight with, but I don't plan to jump off any cliffs in he near future, but best not to follow too closely.
Every cloud has a silver lining, except the one with an ground to air missile in it? Too soon? Oh well, perhaps one day we will find out who is shooting us down.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: Osprey as chief lemming do you always accept what is given you without complaint and not ask questions, or do you sometimes say this is not right someone is taking me for a fool, I agree as mere fans we are helpless but at least you may not feel a fool if you voice your displeasure at times[/p][/quote]I think I have been showing a bit of fight tonight, hopeless when you haven't got anything to fight with, but I don't plan to jump off any cliffs in he near future, but best not to follow too closely. Every cloud has a silver lining, except the one with an ground to air missile in it? Too soon? Oh well, perhaps one day we will find out who is shooting us down. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 5

11:23pm Sun 20 Jul 14

slugger says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
slugger wrote:
Good grief .
Mostly bad grief as I see it at the moment, it can only get better.
Agreed mate ... Don't let the wum's get us down eh ? ...... COYR !!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: Good grief .[/p][/quote]Mostly bad grief as I see it at the moment, it can only get better.[/p][/quote]Agreed mate ... Don't let the wum's get us down eh ? ...... COYR !! slugger
  • Score: 2

11:23pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Epsom Saint says...

There's a been loads of negativity on here recently but whats the point? It's not as if you can get the board sacked or even influence them. I'm just going to enjoy supporting whatever team we put out next season, just as I have done for the last 25 years. We may not be where we would like to be, but I reckon we have been in far worse positions.
There's a been loads of negativity on here recently but whats the point? It's not as if you can get the board sacked or even influence them. I'm just going to enjoy supporting whatever team we put out next season, just as I have done for the last 25 years. We may not be where we would like to be, but I reckon we have been in far worse positions. Epsom Saint
  • Score: 5

11:24pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Mosschops says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
All the freaks are out tonight salivating at some news they can use to fuel their tales of doom - some of them might even be saints fans. And then there's the rest of us who are worried but are a little more rational and prefer to err on the side of optimism. It's not asset stripping, that neither makes business sense nor fits with a Billionairess's memory of her father. It is Kat reigning things in rather than going for our is gutting and I think a mistake, but understandable. It's her money. That's all. The 5 that have gone is just modern football. Ricky fine - we all agree; Lallana is 26 and this is his chance (he could have gone about it better), Luke should of stayed a season or two, but he chose the bright lights of Old Trafford; Lovren is a mercenary c#n@. The board have no realistic choice than to get top dollar (and they did) and invest wisely. I'm happy with the two we have in being at least as good as we sold. So get Vlaar or Caulker, a decent left back to compete with Targett meaning we have the same quality squad as last season plus being in a very sound financial position (hopefully to buy a GK and a forward) For 5 years in every transfer window the doom merchants and trolls are on here spreading panic because we haven't bought anyone then every time buy well. Maybe we will for the first time in years be disappointed, of course we have a pessimistic side that worries - we're Saints fans. But why are some people so absolutely certain this time is completely different?
Because of the sheer volume of the departures from chairman, through the management team to captain and several other first teamers with possibly more to go. Never seen anything like this in my many years of being a football fan.
2 scenarios from this point in time: We buy nothing bar a couple of squad players and/or we lose one or more of Morgan/Jayrod/ Clyne/Cork. OR we lose no more and buy Vlarr/Caulker and a couple more diamonds. Why not react when we find out?
What do you suggest in the event of scenario one? Riots, Ceremonial burning of the Season Tickets, Strong letters to your local MP, plea for help from the Kremlin, or just not bother to turn up, vote with your feet, better still lets all go to Fratton Park and have a party. What can we do to change the apparent end of days at St Marys, please tell me.
F Eck all obviously apart from be gutted. If you mean flap about and spread words of panic on here then you're doing a grand job but I'm not sure it will change owt.
Regardless, it's probably best to wait to see which scarario plays out first before we draw up the plans to counteract the end of days. Chill for now and see how the chapter ends. Or should I get the pitchforks, torches and mob ready for what "might" happen.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: All the freaks are out tonight salivating at some news they can use to fuel their tales of doom - some of them might even be saints fans. And then there's the rest of us who are worried but are a little more rational and prefer to err on the side of optimism. It's not asset stripping, that neither makes business sense nor fits with a Billionairess's memory of her father. It is Kat reigning things in rather than going for our is gutting and I think a mistake, but understandable. It's her money. That's all. The 5 that have gone is just modern football. Ricky fine - we all agree; Lallana is 26 and this is his chance (he could have gone about it better), Luke should of stayed a season or two, but he chose the bright lights of Old Trafford; Lovren is a mercenary c#n@. The board have no realistic choice than to get top dollar (and they did) and invest wisely. I'm happy with the two we have in being at least as good as we sold. So get Vlaar or Caulker, a decent left back to compete with Targett meaning we have the same quality squad as last season plus being in a very sound financial position (hopefully to buy a GK and a forward) For 5 years in every transfer window the doom merchants and trolls are on here spreading panic because we haven't bought anyone then every time buy well. Maybe we will for the first time in years be disappointed, of course we have a pessimistic side that worries - we're Saints fans. But why are some people so absolutely certain this time is completely different?[/p][/quote]Because of the sheer volume of the departures from chairman, through the management team to captain and several other first teamers with possibly more to go. Never seen anything like this in my many years of being a football fan.[/p][/quote]2 scenarios from this point in time: We buy nothing bar a couple of squad players and/or we lose one or more of Morgan/Jayrod/ Clyne/Cork. OR we lose no more and buy Vlarr/Caulker and a couple more diamonds. Why not react when we find out?[/p][/quote]What do you suggest in the event of scenario one? Riots, Ceremonial burning of the Season Tickets, Strong letters to your local MP, plea for help from the Kremlin, or just not bother to turn up, vote with your feet, better still lets all go to Fratton Park and have a party. What can we do to change the apparent end of days at St Marys, please tell me.[/p][/quote]F Eck all obviously apart from be gutted. If you mean flap about and spread words of panic on here then you're doing a grand job but I'm not sure it will change owt. Regardless, it's probably best to wait to see which scarario plays out first before we draw up the plans to counteract the end of days. Chill for now and see how the chapter ends. Or should I get the pitchforks, torches and mob ready for what "might" happen. Mosschops
  • Score: 2

11:25pm Sun 20 Jul 14

slugger says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Invidia wrote:
Osprey as chief lemming do you always accept what is given you without complaint and not ask questions, or do you sometimes say this is not right someone is taking me for a fool, I agree as mere fans we are helpless but at least you may not feel a fool if you voice your displeasure at times
I think I have been showing a bit of fight tonight, hopeless when you haven't got anything to fight with, but I don't plan to jump off any cliffs in he near future, but best not to follow too closely.
Every cloud has a silver lining, except the one with an ground to air missile in it? Too soon? Oh well, perhaps one day we will find out who is shooting us down.
Invidia I king of the wums ... trust me .
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: Osprey as chief lemming do you always accept what is given you without complaint and not ask questions, or do you sometimes say this is not right someone is taking me for a fool, I agree as mere fans we are helpless but at least you may not feel a fool if you voice your displeasure at times[/p][/quote]I think I have been showing a bit of fight tonight, hopeless when you haven't got anything to fight with, but I don't plan to jump off any cliffs in he near future, but best not to follow too closely. Every cloud has a silver lining, except the one with an ground to air missile in it? Too soon? Oh well, perhaps one day we will find out who is shooting us down.[/p][/quote]Invidia I king of the wums ... trust me . slugger
  • Score: 1

11:25pm Sun 20 Jul 14

KSO16R says...

KSO16R wrote:
What a bunch of babies! It's a game! Who cares who plays you will still be singing their names out like a load of fools! Support southampton fc!
You're still a bunch of babies! : )
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: What a bunch of babies! It's a game! Who cares who plays you will still be singing their names out like a load of fools! Support southampton fc![/p][/quote]You're still a bunch of babies! : ) KSO16R
  • Score: -6

11:26pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Dear Ralph and Les. Could you please explain what not being a selling club is? Cos obviously I've misunderstood.....
Dear Ralph and Les. Could you please explain what not being a selling club is? Cos obviously I've misunderstood..... Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 16

11:30pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Invidia says...

It wasn't so long ago that the top six managers wanted a super league across Europe, I think this could be the saviour of English football if this happened the premier league became division one again and the super rich clubs formed their own European league as long as they had no influence on the English leagues and was not allowed to be relegated to the division one it would make the FA much stronger.
It wasn't so long ago that the top six managers wanted a super league across Europe, I think this could be the saviour of English football if this happened the premier league became division one again and the super rich clubs formed their own European league as long as they had no influence on the English leagues and was not allowed to be relegated to the division one it would make the FA much stronger. Invidia
  • Score: 14

11:33pm Sun 20 Jul 14

KSO16R says...

Mosschops wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
All the freaks are out tonight salivating at some news they can use to fuel their tales of doom - some of them might even be saints fans. And then there's the rest of us who are worried but are a little more rational and prefer to err on the side of optimism. It's not asset stripping, that neither makes business sense nor fits with a Billionairess's memory of her father. It is Kat reigning things in rather than going for our is gutting and I think a mistake, but understandable. It's her money. That's all. The 5 that have gone is just modern football. Ricky fine - we all agree; Lallana is 26 and this is his chance (he could have gone about it better), Luke should of stayed a season or two, but he chose the bright lights of Old Trafford; Lovren is a mercenary c#n@. The board have no realistic choice than to get top dollar (and they did) and invest wisely. I'm happy with the two we have in being at least as good as we sold. So get Vlaar or Caulker, a decent left back to compete with Targett meaning we have the same quality squad as last season plus being in a very sound financial position (hopefully to buy a GK and a forward) For 5 years in every transfer window the doom merchants and trolls are on here spreading panic because we haven't bought anyone then every time buy well. Maybe we will for the first time in years be disappointed, of course we have a pessimistic side that worries - we're Saints fans. But why are some people so absolutely certain this time is completely different?
Because of the sheer volume of the departures from chairman, through the management team to captain and several other first teamers with possibly more to go. Never seen anything like this in my many years of being a football fan.
2 scenarios from this point in time: We buy nothing bar a couple of squad players and/or we lose one or more of Morgan/Jayrod/ Clyne/Cork. OR we lose no more and buy Vlarr/Caulker and a couple more diamonds. Why not react when we find out?
What do you suggest in the event of scenario one? Riots, Ceremonial burning of the Season Tickets, Strong letters to your local MP, plea for help from the Kremlin, or just not bother to turn up, vote with your feet, better still lets all go to Fratton Park and have a party. What can we do to change the apparent end of days at St Marys, please tell me.
F Eck all obviously apart from be gutted. If you mean flap about and spread words of panic on here then you're doing a grand job but I'm not sure it will change owt.
Regardless, it's probably best to wait to see which scarario plays out first before we draw up the plans to counteract the end of days. Chill for now and see how the chapter ends. Or should I get the pitchforks, torches and mob ready for what "might" happen.
Well said mosschops
[quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: All the freaks are out tonight salivating at some news they can use to fuel their tales of doom - some of them might even be saints fans. And then there's the rest of us who are worried but are a little more rational and prefer to err on the side of optimism. It's not asset stripping, that neither makes business sense nor fits with a Billionairess's memory of her father. It is Kat reigning things in rather than going for our is gutting and I think a mistake, but understandable. It's her money. That's all. The 5 that have gone is just modern football. Ricky fine - we all agree; Lallana is 26 and this is his chance (he could have gone about it better), Luke should of stayed a season or two, but he chose the bright lights of Old Trafford; Lovren is a mercenary c#n@. The board have no realistic choice than to get top dollar (and they did) and invest wisely. I'm happy with the two we have in being at least as good as we sold. So get Vlaar or Caulker, a decent left back to compete with Targett meaning we have the same quality squad as last season plus being in a very sound financial position (hopefully to buy a GK and a forward) For 5 years in every transfer window the doom merchants and trolls are on here spreading panic because we haven't bought anyone then every time buy well. Maybe we will for the first time in years be disappointed, of course we have a pessimistic side that worries - we're Saints fans. But why are some people so absolutely certain this time is completely different?[/p][/quote]Because of the sheer volume of the departures from chairman, through the management team to captain and several other first teamers with possibly more to go. Never seen anything like this in my many years of being a football fan.[/p][/quote]2 scenarios from this point in time: We buy nothing bar a couple of squad players and/or we lose one or more of Morgan/Jayrod/ Clyne/Cork. OR we lose no more and buy Vlarr/Caulker and a couple more diamonds. Why not react when we find out?[/p][/quote]What do you suggest in the event of scenario one? Riots, Ceremonial burning of the Season Tickets, Strong letters to your local MP, plea for help from the Kremlin, or just not bother to turn up, vote with your feet, better still lets all go to Fratton Park and have a party. What can we do to change the apparent end of days at St Marys, please tell me.[/p][/quote]F Eck all obviously apart from be gutted. If you mean flap about and spread words of panic on here then you're doing a grand job but I'm not sure it will change owt. Regardless, it's probably best to wait to see which scarario plays out first before we draw up the plans to counteract the end of days. Chill for now and see how the chapter ends. Or should I get the pitchforks, torches and mob ready for what "might" happen.[/p][/quote]Well said mosschops KSO16R
  • Score: -4

11:33pm Sun 20 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

The WUM word is being bandied again.
There are very few wums on this site, just people with different views about their club.
Disagree or debate, but don't just shout WUM because you don't like the truth.
The WUM word is being bandied again. There are very few wums on this site, just people with different views about their club. Disagree or debate, but don't just shout WUM because you don't like the truth. costa gaz
  • Score: 14

11:34pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Mosschops says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
slugger wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .
Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.
Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.
Ah I see your angle. Absolutely gutting Kat didn't want to take the gamble I agree - Even without my emotional biase I think it was a gamble worth taking. But it's her money and I understand her stance.
Yes. What we need is a billionaire to buy us cheaply, build a strong team with cheap buys and lots of quality academy players and get us into the top eight.
Now I really don't get your angle? You've just neatly summarised the last 5 years in the form of a prediction without going on to actually state anything.
Read it again Mossie,and think irony... ;0)
I'm sorry it's late and it's been a heavy old weekend. Is it proper irony or Alanis Morissette irony? Can you just spell the point out for me please in a less cryptic fashion.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .[/p][/quote]Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.[/p][/quote]Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.[/p][/quote]Ah I see your angle. Absolutely gutting Kat didn't want to take the gamble I agree - Even without my emotional biase I think it was a gamble worth taking. But it's her money and I understand her stance.[/p][/quote]Yes. What we need is a billionaire to buy us cheaply, build a strong team with cheap buys and lots of quality academy players and get us into the top eight.[/p][/quote]Now I really don't get your angle? You've just neatly summarised the last 5 years in the form of a prediction without going on to actually state anything.[/p][/quote]Read it again Mossie,and think irony... ;0)[/p][/quote]I'm sorry it's late and it's been a heavy old weekend. Is it proper irony or Alanis Morissette irony? Can you just spell the point out for me please in a less cryptic fashion. Mosschops
  • Score: -5

11:36pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

If this rumour is true - then this is very worrying on many fronts. I repeat If.

First - Ronny said no more players would be leaving: Is he acting tough - or is he just not got enough clout - or is there just a realisation that Lovren's mind is elsewhere - so may as well cash him in.

Second - Our team will take a long time to gel together - even if we buy quality. We will have lost half of our defence, and with JR missing - half of our midfield.

Third - We are sending out all the wrong message to our fans - and other clubs.

Fourth - We are alienating fans - just at a point when we thought we might be breaking into the top six.

Fifth - If JR and Lovren both go to Liverpool - then it will be just so depressing watching a Liverpool team with almost half of our players. I can't remember this amount of players ever going to a rival. And it may just be that Livepool could win the league next year on the back of our club.

If Ronny knew all about this - then he is just here as a steeping stone to go to a bigger club as he sees it - and he will be losing credibility already.
If this rumour is true - then this is very worrying on many fronts. I repeat If. First - Ronny said no more players would be leaving: Is he acting tough - or is he just not got enough clout - or is there just a realisation that Lovren's mind is elsewhere - so may as well cash him in. Second - Our team will take a long time to gel together - even if we buy quality. We will have lost half of our defence, and with JR missing - half of our midfield. Third - We are sending out all the wrong message to our fans - and other clubs. Fourth - We are alienating fans - just at a point when we thought we might be breaking into the top six. Fifth - If JR and Lovren both go to Liverpool - then it will be just so depressing watching a Liverpool team with almost half of our players. I can't remember this amount of players ever going to a rival. And it may just be that Livepool could win the league next year on the back of our club. If Ronny knew all about this - then he is just here as a steeping stone to go to a bigger club as he sees it - and he will be losing credibility already. Saints n Winners
  • Score: 3

11:37pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Invidia says...

"Oh well, perhaps one day we will find out who is shooting us down"

Osprey, not unless you ask questions...........
......you will never know
"Oh well, perhaps one day we will find out who is shooting us down" Osprey, not unless you ask questions........... ......you will never know Invidia
  • Score: 7

11:37pm Sun 20 Jul 14

brighton saint says...

Wowzers its all doom and gloom from the comments above...I personally think we are now coming into a "Reality Era" for Saints...I'd love us to be a Champ League team every year...reality...it won't happen..we just don't have the dosh to do it...I for one will be happy that we can maintain our position in the Prem ..FA Cup...League Cup and Europa...deffo be happy with that..as a club that is where we are at and always have been...NC and his deluded dream of CL footie on the back of someone elses money was just pure madness...he made expensive errors on his way to that dream...Osvaldo...12
.5 mill on at least 50k a week...crazy for our club and now we are paying for it....players were brainwashed into thinking we could go to the CL Level by NC...hence why they signed and stayed ...we cld all do that with loads of cash...no manager needed!!!The poison of money has dealt its hand in the Saints squad and we will be left with peeps who want to play for US.
Wowzers its all doom and gloom from the comments above...I personally think we are now coming into a "Reality Era" for Saints...I'd love us to be a Champ League team every year...reality...it won't happen..we just don't have the dosh to do it...I for one will be happy that we can maintain our position in the Prem ..FA Cup...League Cup and Europa...deffo be happy with that..as a club that is where we are at and always have been...NC and his deluded dream of CL footie on the back of someone elses money was just pure madness...he made expensive errors on his way to that dream...Osvaldo...12 .5 mill on at least 50k a week...crazy for our club and now we are paying for it....players were brainwashed into thinking we could go to the CL Level by NC...hence why they signed and stayed ...we cld all do that with loads of cash...no manager needed!!!The poison of money has dealt its hand in the Saints squad and we will be left with peeps who want to play for US. brighton saint
  • Score: 7

11:38pm Sun 20 Jul 14

angus mc coatup says...

costa gaz wrote:
The WUM word is being bandied again.
There are very few wums on this site, just people with different views about their club.
Disagree or debate, but don't just shout WUM because you don't like the truth.
That's the trouble.... Nobody knows the truth.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: The WUM word is being bandied again. There are very few wums on this site, just people with different views about their club. Disagree or debate, but don't just shout WUM because you don't like the truth.[/p][/quote]That's the trouble.... Nobody knows the truth. angus mc coatup
  • Score: 5

11:39pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Mosschops wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
slugger wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .
Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.
Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.
Ah I see your angle. Absolutely gutting Kat didn't want to take the gamble I agree - Even without my emotional biase I think it was a gamble worth taking. But it's her money and I understand her stance.
Yes. What we need is a billionaire to buy us cheaply, build a strong team with cheap buys and lots of quality academy players and get us into the top eight.
Now I really don't get your angle? You've just neatly summarised the last 5 years in the form of a prediction without going on to actually state anything.
Read it again Mossie,and think irony... ;0)
I'm sorry it's late and it's been a heavy old weekend. Is it proper irony or Alanis Morissette irony? Can you just spell the point out for me please in a less cryptic fashion.
The chances of that having happened was remote. The chances of it happening again are more remote. We've just blown a once in a life time opportunity.
[quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .[/p][/quote]Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.[/p][/quote]Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.[/p][/quote]Ah I see your angle. Absolutely gutting Kat didn't want to take the gamble I agree - Even without my emotional biase I think it was a gamble worth taking. But it's her money and I understand her stance.[/p][/quote]Yes. What we need is a billionaire to buy us cheaply, build a strong team with cheap buys and lots of quality academy players and get us into the top eight.[/p][/quote]Now I really don't get your angle? You've just neatly summarised the last 5 years in the form of a prediction without going on to actually state anything.[/p][/quote]Read it again Mossie,and think irony... ;0)[/p][/quote]I'm sorry it's late and it's been a heavy old weekend. Is it proper irony or Alanis Morissette irony? Can you just spell the point out for me please in a less cryptic fashion.[/p][/quote]The chances of that having happened was remote. The chances of it happening again are more remote. We've just blown a once in a life time opportunity. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 8

11:41pm Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Mosschops wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
All the freaks are out tonight salivating at some news they can use to fuel their tales of doom - some of them might even be saints fans. And then there's the rest of us who are worried but are a little more rational and prefer to err on the side of optimism. It's not asset stripping, that neither makes business sense nor fits with a Billionairess's memory of her father. It is Kat reigning things in rather than going for our is gutting and I think a mistake, but understandable. It's her money. That's all. The 5 that have gone is just modern football. Ricky fine - we all agree; Lallana is 26 and this is his chance (he could have gone about it better), Luke should of stayed a season or two, but he chose the bright lights of Old Trafford; Lovren is a mercenary c#n@. The board have no realistic choice than to get top dollar (and they did) and invest wisely. I'm happy with the two we have in being at least as good as we sold. So get Vlaar or Caulker, a decent left back to compete with Targett meaning we have the same quality squad as last season plus being in a very sound financial position (hopefully to buy a GK and a forward) For 5 years in every transfer window the doom merchants and trolls are on here spreading panic because we haven't bought anyone then every time buy well. Maybe we will for the first time in years be disappointed, of course we have a pessimistic side that worries - we're Saints fans. But why are some people so absolutely certain this time is completely different?
Because of the sheer volume of the departures from chairman, through the management team to captain and several other first teamers with possibly more to go. Never seen anything like this in my many years of being a football fan.
2 scenarios from this point in time: We buy nothing bar a couple of squad players and/or we lose one or more of Morgan/Jayrod/ Clyne/Cork. OR we lose no more and buy Vlarr/Caulker and a couple more diamonds. Why not react when we find out?
What do you suggest in the event of scenario one? Riots, Ceremonial burning of the Season Tickets, Strong letters to your local MP, plea for help from the Kremlin, or just not bother to turn up, vote with your feet, better still lets all go to Fratton Park and have a party. What can we do to change the apparent end of days at St Marys, please tell me.
F Eck all obviously apart from be gutted. If you mean flap about and spread words of panic on here then you're doing a grand job but I'm not sure it will change owt.
Regardless, it's probably best to wait to see which scarario plays out first before we draw up the plans to counteract the end of days. Chill for now and see how the chapter ends. Or should I get the pitchforks, torches and mob ready for what "might" happen.
That really was my point, all this bleeding heart stuff is getting to me a bit. I think anyone that is a real fan is well aware of the situation that is affecting us, but we are bewildered as to the why and the wherefores, I have never experienced such a mess, other than when we nearly went down the tubes. That was bad enough, but at least we had a good idea of where we stood, what was the point of Markus Liebherr saving us, putting us back on our feet, just be kicked in the unmentionables when we get a bit of success. We are being treated like mushrooms and I think we deserve better, but I haven't a clue how to go about it, other than to continue to support the Club in a positive way, I don't want to be fed a constant drone about the negatives, now we are being called cry babies because we don't like it. You are wrong if you are upbeat, you are wrong if you complain, it is a total mess. All I can say is that when the Season starts I hope we can all turn around and say what was all the fuss about, here we go again. It is only a game after all.
[quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: All the freaks are out tonight salivating at some news they can use to fuel their tales of doom - some of them might even be saints fans. And then there's the rest of us who are worried but are a little more rational and prefer to err on the side of optimism. It's not asset stripping, that neither makes business sense nor fits with a Billionairess's memory of her father. It is Kat reigning things in rather than going for our is gutting and I think a mistake, but understandable. It's her money. That's all. The 5 that have gone is just modern football. Ricky fine - we all agree; Lallana is 26 and this is his chance (he could have gone about it better), Luke should of stayed a season or two, but he chose the bright lights of Old Trafford; Lovren is a mercenary c#n@. The board have no realistic choice than to get top dollar (and they did) and invest wisely. I'm happy with the two we have in being at least as good as we sold. So get Vlaar or Caulker, a decent left back to compete with Targett meaning we have the same quality squad as last season plus being in a very sound financial position (hopefully to buy a GK and a forward) For 5 years in every transfer window the doom merchants and trolls are on here spreading panic because we haven't bought anyone then every time buy well. Maybe we will for the first time in years be disappointed, of course we have a pessimistic side that worries - we're Saints fans. But why are some people so absolutely certain this time is completely different?[/p][/quote]Because of the sheer volume of the departures from chairman, through the management team to captain and several other first teamers with possibly more to go. Never seen anything like this in my many years of being a football fan.[/p][/quote]2 scenarios from this point in time: We buy nothing bar a couple of squad players and/or we lose one or more of Morgan/Jayrod/ Clyne/Cork. OR we lose no more and buy Vlarr/Caulker and a couple more diamonds. Why not react when we find out?[/p][/quote]What do you suggest in the event of scenario one? Riots, Ceremonial burning of the Season Tickets, Strong letters to your local MP, plea for help from the Kremlin, or just not bother to turn up, vote with your feet, better still lets all go to Fratton Park and have a party. What can we do to change the apparent end of days at St Marys, please tell me.[/p][/quote]F Eck all obviously apart from be gutted. If you mean flap about and spread words of panic on here then you're doing a grand job but I'm not sure it will change owt. Regardless, it's probably best to wait to see which scarario plays out first before we draw up the plans to counteract the end of days. Chill for now and see how the chapter ends. Or should I get the pitchforks, torches and mob ready for what "might" happen.[/p][/quote]That really was my point, all this bleeding heart stuff is getting to me a bit. I think anyone that is a real fan is well aware of the situation that is affecting us, but we are bewildered as to the why and the wherefores, I have never experienced such a mess, other than when we nearly went down the tubes. That was bad enough, but at least we had a good idea of where we stood, what was the point of Markus Liebherr saving us, putting us back on our feet, just be kicked in the unmentionables when we get a bit of success. We are being treated like mushrooms and I think we deserve better, but I haven't a clue how to go about it, other than to continue to support the Club in a positive way, I don't want to be fed a constant drone about the negatives, now we are being called cry babies because we don't like it. You are wrong if you are upbeat, you are wrong if you complain, it is a total mess. All I can say is that when the Season starts I hope we can all turn around and say what was all the fuss about, here we go again. It is only a game after all. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 9

11:43pm Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Invidia wrote:
"Oh well, perhaps one day we will find out who is shooting us down"

Osprey, not unless you ask questions...........

......you will never know
I am willing to ask the questions but who actually knows?
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: "Oh well, perhaps one day we will find out who is shooting us down" Osprey, not unless you ask questions........... ......you will never know[/p][/quote]I am willing to ask the questions but who actually knows? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

11:46pm Sun 20 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

Latest news about Lovren transfer.

Liverpool FC transfer gossip: Lovren deal nearly done; Reds monitor Milner; Davies and Vorm head to Spurs
• Jul 20, 2014 12:03
• By Liverpool Echo

A round-up of the latest LFC transfer rumours

Dejan Lovren will be the next player to join Liverpool as Brendan Rodgers takes his spending close to £90m, according to The Mirror.
The Reds have reportedly moved a big step closer to landing Southampton’s Croatian international defender, who has already expressed his desire to swap St Mary’s for Merseyside.
Lovren will cost £20m and the Saints have identified Aston Villa’s Ron Vlaar as a replacement.
The Mirror also claim the Reds are ready to rescue James Milner from Manchester City.
They claim Rodgers has made “tentative inquiries” over the England man, who is frustrated at being a bit-part player at the Etihad.
Everton, Arsenal and Aston Villa are all thought to be keen on Milner.
Spurs are to pip the Reds to the signing of two summer targets, according to the Daily Mail.
They have struck a deal with Swansea City to sign Ben Davies and Michel Vorm, in exchange for cash plus Gylfi Sigurdsson.
The agreement is worth £15m. Liverpool had been keen on Davies after their attempts to sign Alberto Moreno stalled, while Vorm was wanted as competition for Simon Mignolet.
Latest news about Lovren transfer. Liverpool FC transfer gossip: Lovren deal nearly done; Reds monitor Milner; Davies and Vorm head to Spurs • Jul 20, 2014 12:03 • By Liverpool Echo A round-up of the latest LFC transfer rumours Dejan Lovren will be the next player to join Liverpool as Brendan Rodgers takes his spending close to £90m, according to The Mirror. The Reds have reportedly moved a big step closer to landing Southampton’s Croatian international defender, who has already expressed his desire to swap St Mary’s for Merseyside. Lovren will cost £20m and the Saints have identified Aston Villa’s Ron Vlaar as a replacement. The Mirror also claim the Reds are ready to rescue James Milner from Manchester City. They claim Rodgers has made “tentative inquiries” over the England man, who is frustrated at being a bit-part player at the Etihad. Everton, Arsenal and Aston Villa are all thought to be keen on Milner. Spurs are to pip the Reds to the signing of two summer targets, according to the Daily Mail. They have struck a deal with Swansea City to sign Ben Davies and Michel Vorm, in exchange for cash plus Gylfi Sigurdsson. The agreement is worth £15m. Liverpool had been keen on Davies after their attempts to sign Alberto Moreno stalled, while Vorm was wanted as competition for Simon Mignolet. one in the crowd
  • Score: 3

11:47pm Sun 20 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
The WUM word is being bandied again.
There are very few wums on this site, just people with different views about their club.
Disagree or debate, but don't just shout WUM because you don't like the truth.
That's the trouble.... Nobody knows the truth.
The truth is we have lost 3 of our best players and we will be losing up to 3 more.
The board have lied to us, so from now on I'll take every statement that comes out of the club with a pinch of salt.
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: The WUM word is being bandied again. There are very few wums on this site, just people with different views about their club. Disagree or debate, but don't just shout WUM because you don't like the truth.[/p][/quote]That's the trouble.... Nobody knows the truth.[/p][/quote]The truth is we have lost 3 of our best players and we will be losing up to 3 more. The board have lied to us, so from now on I'll take every statement that comes out of the club with a pinch of salt. costa gaz
  • Score: 7

11:48pm Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

costa gaz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
slugger wrote:
Good grief .
Mostly bad grief as I see it at the moment, it can only get better.
Sorry Osprey, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
As long as you can tell me it will get better I can live with that.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: Good grief .[/p][/quote]Mostly bad grief as I see it at the moment, it can only get better.[/p][/quote]Sorry Osprey, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.[/p][/quote]As long as you can tell me it will get better I can live with that. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:49pm Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

one in the crowd wrote:
Latest news about Lovren transfer.

Liverpool FC transfer gossip: Lovren deal nearly done; Reds monitor Milner; Davies and Vorm head to Spurs
• Jul 20, 2014 12:03
• By Liverpool Echo

A round-up of the latest LFC transfer rumours

Dejan Lovren will be the next player to join Liverpool as Brendan Rodgers takes his spending close to £90m, according to The Mirror.
The Reds have reportedly moved a big step closer to landing Southampton’s Croatian international defender, who has already expressed his desire to swap St Mary’s for Merseyside.
Lovren will cost £20m and the Saints have identified Aston Villa’s Ron Vlaar as a replacement.
The Mirror also claim the Reds are ready to rescue James Milner from Manchester City.
They claim Rodgers has made “tentative inquiries” over the England man, who is frustrated at being a bit-part player at the Etihad.
Everton, Arsenal and Aston Villa are all thought to be keen on Milner.
Spurs are to pip the Reds to the signing of two summer targets, according to the Daily Mail.
They have struck a deal with Swansea City to sign Ben Davies and Michel Vorm, in exchange for cash plus Gylfi Sigurdsson.
The agreement is worth £15m. Liverpool had been keen on Davies after their attempts to sign Alberto Moreno stalled, while Vorm was wanted as competition for Simon Mignolet.
There could be trouble ahead...........
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: Latest news about Lovren transfer. Liverpool FC transfer gossip: Lovren deal nearly done; Reds monitor Milner; Davies and Vorm head to Spurs • Jul 20, 2014 12:03 • By Liverpool Echo A round-up of the latest LFC transfer rumours Dejan Lovren will be the next player to join Liverpool as Brendan Rodgers takes his spending close to £90m, according to The Mirror. The Reds have reportedly moved a big step closer to landing Southampton’s Croatian international defender, who has already expressed his desire to swap St Mary’s for Merseyside. Lovren will cost £20m and the Saints have identified Aston Villa’s Ron Vlaar as a replacement. The Mirror also claim the Reds are ready to rescue James Milner from Manchester City. They claim Rodgers has made “tentative inquiries” over the England man, who is frustrated at being a bit-part player at the Etihad. Everton, Arsenal and Aston Villa are all thought to be keen on Milner. Spurs are to pip the Reds to the signing of two summer targets, according to the Daily Mail. They have struck a deal with Swansea City to sign Ben Davies and Michel Vorm, in exchange for cash plus Gylfi Sigurdsson. The agreement is worth £15m. Liverpool had been keen on Davies after their attempts to sign Alberto Moreno stalled, while Vorm was wanted as competition for Simon Mignolet.[/p][/quote]There could be trouble ahead........... OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

11:51pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Invidia says...

costa gaz

My old great grandma used to say to me "son where ignorance is bliss, it's folly to be wise" and for some on here, never truer words were spoken.
costa gaz My old great grandma used to say to me "son where ignorance is bliss, it's folly to be wise" and for some on here, never truer words were spoken. Invidia
  • Score: 8

11:55pm Sun 20 Jul 14

oldseve says...

Thankyounicola wrote:
16 million after rejecting alleged 20 million offer?? Why Les couldn't you ask for more?
They got £75 million for Suarez . Why do we sell cheap? Is the need for money that bad?
This clown is starting to make Old Rupert look good!!!
[quote][p][bold]Thankyounicola[/bold] wrote: 16 million after rejecting alleged 20 million offer?? Why Les couldn't you ask for more? They got £75 million for Suarez . Why do we sell cheap? Is the need for money that bad?[/p][/quote]This clown is starting to make Old Rupert look good!!! oldseve
  • Score: 5

11:55pm Sun 20 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Invidia wrote:
costa gaz

My old great grandma used to say to me "son where ignorance is bliss, it's folly to be wise" and for some on here, never truer words were spoken.
I wish I had listened to my old Gran when I was a kid, what did she say? I don't know I never listened.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: costa gaz My old great grandma used to say to me "son where ignorance is bliss, it's folly to be wise" and for some on here, never truer words were spoken.[/p][/quote]I wish I had listened to my old Gran when I was a kid, what did she say? I don't know I never listened. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

11:56pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Mosschops says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
slugger wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .
Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.
Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.
Ah I see your angle. Absolutely gutting Kat didn't want to take the gamble I agree - Even without my emotional biase I think it was a gamble worth taking. But it's her money and I understand her stance.
Yes. What we need is a billionaire to buy us cheaply, build a strong team with cheap buys and lots of quality academy players and get us into the top eight.
Now I really don't get your angle? You've just neatly summarised the last 5 years in the form of a prediction without going on to actually state anything.
Read it again Mossie,and think irony... ;0)
I'm sorry it's late and it's been a heavy old weekend. Is it proper irony or Alanis Morissette irony? Can you just spell the point out for me please in a less cryptic fashion.
The chances of that having happened was remote. The chances of it happening again are more remote. We've just blown a once in a life time opportunity.
The chances of us being bought by a rich businessman who also loves football were not that remote bearing in mind the set up, price and very impressive likely return on investment. Asking/finding someone to risk a fortune on getting Saints up there with a club who signs shirt deals worth £3/4 billion is asking alot. The climb from league 2 to 8th is small compared to leaping the chasm from 8th to the top 4. We dared to dream and are a bit disappointed but shouldn't throw a hissy fit because Kat got us a BMW when we wanted a Ferrari.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .[/p][/quote]Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.[/p][/quote]Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.[/p][/quote]Ah I see your angle. Absolutely gutting Kat didn't want to take the gamble I agree - Even without my emotional biase I think it was a gamble worth taking. But it's her money and I understand her stance.[/p][/quote]Yes. What we need is a billionaire to buy us cheaply, build a strong team with cheap buys and lots of quality academy players and get us into the top eight.[/p][/quote]Now I really don't get your angle? You've just neatly summarised the last 5 years in the form of a prediction without going on to actually state anything.[/p][/quote]Read it again Mossie,and think irony... ;0)[/p][/quote]I'm sorry it's late and it's been a heavy old weekend. Is it proper irony or Alanis Morissette irony? Can you just spell the point out for me please in a less cryptic fashion.[/p][/quote]The chances of that having happened was remote. The chances of it happening again are more remote. We've just blown a once in a life time opportunity.[/p][/quote]The chances of us being bought by a rich businessman who also loves football were not that remote bearing in mind the set up, price and very impressive likely return on investment. Asking/finding someone to risk a fortune on getting Saints up there with a club who signs shirt deals worth £3/4 billion is asking alot. The climb from league 2 to 8th is small compared to leaping the chasm from 8th to the top 4. We dared to dream and are a bit disappointed but shouldn't throw a hissy fit because Kat got us a BMW when we wanted a Ferrari. Mosschops
  • Score: -1

11:56pm Sun 20 Jul 14

slugger says...

If I were a Liverpool fan I'd be well fed up ....... Come within a gnats whisker of winning the prem and decide to replace your team with another team that finished 8th !
If I were a Liverpool fan I'd be well fed up ....... Come within a gnats whisker of winning the prem and decide to replace your team with another team that finished 8th ! slugger
  • Score: 12

11:56pm Sun 20 Jul 14

angus mc coatup says...

Invidia wrote:
It wasn't so long ago that the top six managers wanted a super league across Europe, I think this could be the saviour of English football if this happened the premier league became division one again and the super rich clubs formed their own European league as long as they had no influence on the English leagues and was not allowed to be relegated to the division one it would make the FA much stronger.
Nice idea, but it wouldn't stop the same situation that were going through
from happening. In fact those clubs would in all probability, be in an even stronger financial position then they are now.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: It wasn't so long ago that the top six managers wanted a super league across Europe, I think this could be the saviour of English football if this happened the premier league became division one again and the super rich clubs formed their own European league as long as they had no influence on the English leagues and was not allowed to be relegated to the division one it would make the FA much stronger.[/p][/quote]Nice idea, but it wouldn't stop the same situation that were going through from happening. In fact those clubs would in all probability, be in an even stronger financial position then they are now. angus mc coatup
  • Score: 2

11:59pm Sun 20 Jul 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

It's not so much about doom and gloom as it is the fact that we had a tried and tested team that knew each other and played well, albeit that arguably needed some fine tuning.
The reality is that I support the saints no matter what the outcome but we have a team emerging that has had a large chunk of long term and influencial players leave and continue to leave the club. This will be putting a lot more pressure on the ones that are left and our new imports to gel quickly and perform to our expectations. I can understand why some people are worried. As optimistic as I am I think it is foolish to expect, unless by some fluke we are able to pull it off consistently stay in the top 8 again. However I will be getting behind our team and cheering them on regardless!
It's not so much about doom and gloom as it is the fact that we had a tried and tested team that knew each other and played well, albeit that arguably needed some fine tuning. The reality is that I support the saints no matter what the outcome but we have a team emerging that has had a large chunk of long term and influencial players leave and continue to leave the club. This will be putting a lot more pressure on the ones that are left and our new imports to gel quickly and perform to our expectations. I can understand why some people are worried. As optimistic as I am I think it is foolish to expect, unless by some fluke we are able to pull it off consistently stay in the top 8 again. However I will be getting behind our team and cheering them on regardless! KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 9

12:01am Mon 21 Jul 14

nstaffordking says...

What is wrong with you lot?! Most people commenting here don't deserve to call yourselves Southampton Supporters. Seriously, did you not hear Lovren's comments a few weeks back?? The bloke can p*ss off! I don't wan't him at my club. I don't want anyone at my club who is clearly there for the money and the glory. There was a reason I stayed loyal to Saints, when so many of the kids around me when I grew up chose to support Chelski, Manure or all the other soulless, classless, plastic clubs. Flock off back to them, where you came from before we made it out of League 1; you'll all fit in more there.
What is wrong with you lot?! Most people commenting here don't deserve to call yourselves Southampton Supporters. Seriously, did you not hear Lovren's comments a few weeks back?? The bloke can p*ss off! I don't wan't him at my club. I don't want anyone at my club who is clearly there for the money and the glory. There was a reason I stayed loyal to Saints, when so many of the kids around me when I grew up chose to support Chelski, Manure or all the other soulless, classless, plastic clubs. Flock off back to them, where you came from before we made it out of League 1; you'll all fit in more there. nstaffordking
  • Score: -1

12:02am Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
slugger wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .
Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.
Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.
Ah I see your angle. Absolutely gutting Kat didn't want to take the gamble I agree - Even without my emotional biase I think it was a gamble worth taking. But it's her money and I understand her stance.
Yes. What we need is a billionaire to buy us cheaply, build a strong team with cheap buys and lots of quality academy players and get us into the top eight.
Now I really don't get your angle? You've just neatly summarised the last 5 years in the form of a prediction without going on to actually state anything.
Read it again Mossie,and think irony... ;0)
I'm sorry it's late and it's been a heavy old weekend. Is it proper irony or Alanis Morissette irony? Can you just spell the point out for me please in a less cryptic fashion.
The chances of that having happened was remote. The chances of it happening again are more remote. We've just blown a once in a life time opportunity.
I think we are aware of that by now but the question remains how and why did we let that happen?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .[/p][/quote]Or rather they didn't build a team with 7 or 8 players that could walk into a top 5 side more to the point. If WBA, Palace or any other team our size had our players that's where the vultures would be circling. Very straight forward.[/p][/quote]Yes. And therein lies the entire point. We had 7 or 8 players good enough for the top 5. Didn't need many more to be top 5 did it? Very straightforward.[/p][/quote]Ah I see your angle. Absolutely gutting Kat didn't want to take the gamble I agree - Even without my emotional biase I think it was a gamble worth taking. But it's her money and I understand her stance.[/p][/quote]Yes. What we need is a billionaire to buy us cheaply, build a strong team with cheap buys and lots of quality academy players and get us into the top eight.[/p][/quote]Now I really don't get your angle? You've just neatly summarised the last 5 years in the form of a prediction without going on to actually state anything.[/p][/quote]Read it again Mossie,and think irony... ;0)[/p][/quote]I'm sorry it's late and it's been a heavy old weekend. Is it proper irony or Alanis Morissette irony? Can you just spell the point out for me please in a less cryptic fashion.[/p][/quote]The chances of that having happened was remote. The chances of it happening again are more remote. We've just blown a once in a life time opportunity.[/p][/quote]I think we are aware of that by now but the question remains how and why did we let that happen? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

12:05am Mon 21 Jul 14

Invidia says...

Angus

Looking at the dreadful showing from our England superstars, I don't think many top European clubs would want to buy English and the super rich PL clubs can only have so many players on their books, if you were an English footballer would you rather play football in an FA competition or would you sit on the bench or worse not sit on the bench in some European elite league.
Angus Looking at the dreadful showing from our England superstars, I don't think many top European clubs would want to buy English and the super rich PL clubs can only have so many players on their books, if you were an English footballer would you rather play football in an FA competition or would you sit on the bench or worse not sit on the bench in some European elite league. Invidia
  • Score: 6

12:07am Mon 21 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
It's not so much about doom and gloom as it is the fact that we had a tried and tested team that knew each other and played well, albeit that arguably needed some fine tuning.
The reality is that I support the saints no matter what the outcome but we have a team emerging that has had a large chunk of long term and influencial players leave and continue to leave the club. This will be putting a lot more pressure on the ones that are left and our new imports to gel quickly and perform to our expectations. I can understand why some people are worried. As optimistic as I am I think it is foolish to expect, unless by some fluke we are able to pull it off consistently stay in the top 8 again. However I will be getting behind our team and cheering them on regardless!
Agree, A finish in the top 14 this season will be a remarkable achievement.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: It's not so much about doom and gloom as it is the fact that we had a tried and tested team that knew each other and played well, albeit that arguably needed some fine tuning. The reality is that I support the saints no matter what the outcome but we have a team emerging that has had a large chunk of long term and influencial players leave and continue to leave the club. This will be putting a lot more pressure on the ones that are left and our new imports to gel quickly and perform to our expectations. I can understand why some people are worried. As optimistic as I am I think it is foolish to expect, unless by some fluke we are able to pull it off consistently stay in the top 8 again. However I will be getting behind our team and cheering them on regardless![/p][/quote]Agree, A finish in the top 14 this season will be a remarkable achievement. Saints n Winners
  • Score: 8

12:08am Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Liverpool can only name a 25 man Senior squad at the start of the Season, at the rate they are mopping players up, how many surprise names will be missing from that list?
Liverpool can only name a 25 man Senior squad at the start of the Season, at the rate they are mopping players up, how many surprise names will be missing from that list? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 5

12:10am Mon 21 Jul 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

I can't believe everyone's slagging the club off before the season's even started!

You should be excited with lovrens exit! Look who we've replaced the other 3 with;

Lambert - PELLE (50 goals in two seasons is amazing in any league! Plus he scored 2 on his debut and looks stronger and quicker than rickie!)

Lallana - TADIC (2nd in Europe for most chances created, scores and assists for fun! Plus many Liverhampton fans wanted him instead of Lallana...)

Shaw - TARGETT (Ok we didn't pay money for him but it's been claimed by many inside the club that he's even better than Luke Shaw!)

Big Ron has already said he wants Vlaar and will be talking to him...After watching him in the World Cup he looks better than Lovren. So far we've replaced our outgoing players with better quality, how anyone can write us off has not got a footballing brain!

RONALD KOEMAN IS OUR MANAGER FFS!! You'd be mad to think that Ron wouldn't be able to do as good as (if not better) job than Poch did! Ron's building his own team, Poch inherited Adkins' think about that..

Get behind the club and be positive!
I can't believe everyone's slagging the club off before the season's even started! You should be excited with lovrens exit! Look who we've replaced the other 3 with; Lambert - PELLE (50 goals in two seasons is amazing in any league! Plus he scored 2 on his debut and looks stronger and quicker than rickie!) Lallana - TADIC (2nd in Europe for most chances created, scores and assists for fun! Plus many Liverhampton fans wanted him instead of Lallana...) Shaw - TARGETT (Ok we didn't pay money for him but it's been claimed by many inside the club that he's even better than Luke Shaw!) Big Ron has already said he wants Vlaar and will be talking to him...After watching him in the World Cup he looks better than Lovren. So far we've replaced our outgoing players with better quality, how anyone can write us off has not got a footballing brain! RONALD KOEMAN IS OUR MANAGER FFS!! You'd be mad to think that Ron wouldn't be able to do as good as (if not better) job than Poch did! Ron's building his own team, Poch inherited Adkins' think about that.. Get behind the club and be positive! SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 22

12:15am Mon 21 Jul 14

Invidia says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Liverpool can only name a 25 man Senior squad at the start of the Season, at the rate they are mopping players up, how many surprise names will be missing from that list?
That is the truest words you have ever written on here and just to add to that at the rate they are shelling out the money from Suarez it will soon run out and I believe I am right in saying that they never had a very large kitty to start with, also some of the players that were regular starters last season must feel pretty uncomfortable now and reassessing their ambitions etc.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Liverpool can only name a 25 man Senior squad at the start of the Season, at the rate they are mopping players up, how many surprise names will be missing from that list?[/p][/quote]That is the truest words you have ever written on here and just to add to that at the rate they are shelling out the money from Suarez it will soon run out and I believe I am right in saying that they never had a very large kitty to start with, also some of the players that were regular starters last season must feel pretty uncomfortable now and reassessing their ambitions etc. Invidia
  • Score: 12

12:19am Mon 21 Jul 14

Invidia says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
I can't believe everyone's slagging the club off before the season's even started!

You should be excited with lovrens exit! Look who we've replaced the other 3 with;

Lambert - PELLE (50 goals in two seasons is amazing in any league! Plus he scored 2 on his debut and looks stronger and quicker than rickie!)

Lallana - TADIC (2nd in Europe for most chances created, scores and assists for fun! Plus many Liverhampton fans wanted him instead of Lallana...)

Shaw - TARGETT (Ok we didn't pay money for him but it's been claimed by many inside the club that he's even better than Luke Shaw!)

Big Ron has already said he wants Vlaar and will be talking to him...After watching him in the World Cup he looks better than Lovren. So far we've replaced our outgoing players with better quality, how anyone can write us off has not got a footballing brain!

RONALD KOEMAN IS OUR MANAGER FFS!! You'd be mad to think that Ron wouldn't be able to do as good as (if not better) job than Poch did! Ron's building his own team, Poch inherited Adkins' think about that..

Get behind the club and be positive!
The problem is the fat lady is just clearing her throat at the moment
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: I can't believe everyone's slagging the club off before the season's even started! You should be excited with lovrens exit! Look who we've replaced the other 3 with; Lambert - PELLE (50 goals in two seasons is amazing in any league! Plus he scored 2 on his debut and looks stronger and quicker than rickie!) Lallana - TADIC (2nd in Europe for most chances created, scores and assists for fun! Plus many Liverhampton fans wanted him instead of Lallana...) Shaw - TARGETT (Ok we didn't pay money for him but it's been claimed by many inside the club that he's even better than Luke Shaw!) Big Ron has already said he wants Vlaar and will be talking to him...After watching him in the World Cup he looks better than Lovren. So far we've replaced our outgoing players with better quality, how anyone can write us off has not got a footballing brain! RONALD KOEMAN IS OUR MANAGER FFS!! You'd be mad to think that Ron wouldn't be able to do as good as (if not better) job than Poch did! Ron's building his own team, Poch inherited Adkins' think about that.. Get behind the club and be positive![/p][/quote]The problem is the fat lady is just clearing her throat at the moment Invidia
  • Score: -2

12:22am Mon 21 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
I can't believe everyone's slagging the club off before the season's even started!

You should be excited with lovrens exit! Look who we've replaced the other 3 with;

Lambert - PELLE (50 goals in two seasons is amazing in any league! Plus he scored 2 on his debut and looks stronger and quicker than rickie!)

Lallana - TADIC (2nd in Europe for most chances created, scores and assists for fun! Plus many Liverhampton fans wanted him instead of Lallana...)

Shaw - TARGETT (Ok we didn't pay money for him but it's been claimed by many inside the club that he's even better than Luke Shaw!)

Big Ron has already said he wants Vlaar and will be talking to him...After watching him in the World Cup he looks better than Lovren. So far we've replaced our outgoing players with better quality, how anyone can write us off has not got a footballing brain!

RONALD KOEMAN IS OUR MANAGER FFS!! You'd be mad to think that Ron wouldn't be able to do as good as (if not better) job than Poch did! Ron's building his own team, Poch inherited Adkins' think about that..

Get behind the club and be positive!
If Target was as good as Shaw - or even better - how come he didn't get in the team at the same time or even before Shaw; as they are almost exactly the same age.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: I can't believe everyone's slagging the club off before the season's even started! You should be excited with lovrens exit! Look who we've replaced the other 3 with; Lambert - PELLE (50 goals in two seasons is amazing in any league! Plus he scored 2 on his debut and looks stronger and quicker than rickie!) Lallana - TADIC (2nd in Europe for most chances created, scores and assists for fun! Plus many Liverhampton fans wanted him instead of Lallana...) Shaw - TARGETT (Ok we didn't pay money for him but it's been claimed by many inside the club that he's even better than Luke Shaw!) Big Ron has already said he wants Vlaar and will be talking to him...After watching him in the World Cup he looks better than Lovren. So far we've replaced our outgoing players with better quality, how anyone can write us off has not got a footballing brain! RONALD KOEMAN IS OUR MANAGER FFS!! You'd be mad to think that Ron wouldn't be able to do as good as (if not better) job than Poch did! Ron's building his own team, Poch inherited Adkins' think about that.. Get behind the club and be positive![/p][/quote]If Target was as good as Shaw - or even better - how come he didn't get in the team at the same time or even before Shaw; as they are almost exactly the same age. Saints n Winners
  • Score: 12

12:24am Mon 21 Jul 14

Chicago Saint says...

saintand266 wrote:
16 million not enough even for that vile tw#t
What happened to rejecting 20M and "we're gonna get top money for him"? Why does management keep crumbling to players requests?
[quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: 16 million not enough even for that vile tw#t[/p][/quote]What happened to rejecting 20M and "we're gonna get top money for him"? Why does management keep crumbling to players requests? Chicago Saint
  • Score: 4

12:24am Mon 21 Jul 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
I can't believe everyone's slagging the club off before the season's even started!

You should be excited with lovrens exit! Look who we've replaced the other 3 with;

Lambert - PELLE (50 goals in two seasons is amazing in any league! Plus he scored 2 on his debut and looks stronger and quicker than rickie!)

Lallana - TADIC (2nd in Europe for most chances created, scores and assists for fun! Plus many Liverhampton fans wanted him instead of Lallana...)

Shaw - TARGETT (Ok we didn't pay money for him but it's been claimed by many inside the club that he's even better than Luke Shaw!)

Big Ron has already said he wants Vlaar and will be talking to him...After watching him in the World Cup he looks better than Lovren. So far we've replaced our outgoing players with better quality, how anyone can write us off has not got a footballing brain!

RONALD KOEMAN IS OUR MANAGER FFS!! You'd be mad to think that Ron wouldn't be able to do as good as (if not better) job than Poch did! Ron's building his own team, Poch inherited Adkins' think about that..

Get behind the club and be positive!
I am happy about our new signings, and I am aware of their stats on paper but the question which remains to be answered, and it's an important one, is if we can find our feet quickly as a team in the EPL is yet to be answered. You can have star players in the team, but if the team functions and relies around a few individuals rather than working as a cohesive unit, (which was our strength) all I am saying is we will be up against it.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: I can't believe everyone's slagging the club off before the season's even started! You should be excited with lovrens exit! Look who we've replaced the other 3 with; Lambert - PELLE (50 goals in two seasons is amazing in any league! Plus he scored 2 on his debut and looks stronger and quicker than rickie!) Lallana - TADIC (2nd in Europe for most chances created, scores and assists for fun! Plus many Liverhampton fans wanted him instead of Lallana...) Shaw - TARGETT (Ok we didn't pay money for him but it's been claimed by many inside the club that he's even better than Luke Shaw!) Big Ron has already said he wants Vlaar and will be talking to him...After watching him in the World Cup he looks better than Lovren. So far we've replaced our outgoing players with better quality, how anyone can write us off has not got a footballing brain! RONALD KOEMAN IS OUR MANAGER FFS!! You'd be mad to think that Ron wouldn't be able to do as good as (if not better) job than Poch did! Ron's building his own team, Poch inherited Adkins' think about that.. Get behind the club and be positive![/p][/quote]I am happy about our new signings, and I am aware of their stats on paper but the question which remains to be answered, and it's an important one, is if we can find our feet quickly as a team in the EPL is yet to be answered. You can have star players in the team, but if the team functions and relies around a few individuals rather than working as a cohesive unit, (which was our strength) all I am saying is we will be up against it. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 0

12:27am Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

OK is anyone going to the Swindon game tomorrow, and who is going to buy their Leverkusen tickets, they seem good value if you want to see a masacree!

http://www.saintsfc.
co.uk/news/article/2
0072014-southampton-
bayer-04-leverkusen-
tickets-on-sale-1771
168.aspx

You cannot buy the tickets on line because they are in the middle of an upgrade to the on line ticket system.
OK is anyone going to the Swindon game tomorrow, and who is going to buy their Leverkusen tickets, they seem good value if you want to see a masacree! http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/news/article/2 0072014-southampton- bayer-04-leverkusen- tickets-on-sale-1771 168.aspx You cannot buy the tickets on line because they are in the middle of an upgrade to the on line ticket system. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

12:31am Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
I can't believe everyone's slagging the club off before the season's even started!

You should be excited with lovrens exit! Look who we've replaced the other 3 with;

Lambert - PELLE (50 goals in two seasons is amazing in any league! Plus he scored 2 on his debut and looks stronger and quicker than rickie!)

Lallana - TADIC (2nd in Europe for most chances created, scores and assists for fun! Plus many Liverhampton fans wanted him instead of Lallana...)

Shaw - TARGETT (Ok we didn't pay money for him but it's been claimed by many inside the club that he's even better than Luke Shaw!)

Big Ron has already said he wants Vlaar and will be talking to him...After watching him in the World Cup he looks better than Lovren. So far we've replaced our outgoing players with better quality, how anyone can write us off has not got a footballing brain!

RONALD KOEMAN IS OUR MANAGER FFS!! You'd be mad to think that Ron wouldn't be able to do as good as (if not better) job than Poch did! Ron's building his own team, Poch inherited Adkins' think about that..

Get behind the club and be positive!
If Target was as good as Shaw - or even better - how come he didn't get in the team at the same time or even before Shaw; as they are almost exactly the same age.
Two t's at the end Targett. They did say earlier that his development was a bit behind Luke Shaw, but he looked tidy enough in the friendlies, only time will tell if he will finally make the grade, but he has been highly regarded at St. Marys and the England camp, can't ask for more than that.
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: I can't believe everyone's slagging the club off before the season's even started! You should be excited with lovrens exit! Look who we've replaced the other 3 with; Lambert - PELLE (50 goals in two seasons is amazing in any league! Plus he scored 2 on his debut and looks stronger and quicker than rickie!) Lallana - TADIC (2nd in Europe for most chances created, scores and assists for fun! Plus many Liverhampton fans wanted him instead of Lallana...) Shaw - TARGETT (Ok we didn't pay money for him but it's been claimed by many inside the club that he's even better than Luke Shaw!) Big Ron has already said he wants Vlaar and will be talking to him...After watching him in the World Cup he looks better than Lovren. So far we've replaced our outgoing players with better quality, how anyone can write us off has not got a footballing brain! RONALD KOEMAN IS OUR MANAGER FFS!! You'd be mad to think that Ron wouldn't be able to do as good as (if not better) job than Poch did! Ron's building his own team, Poch inherited Adkins' think about that.. Get behind the club and be positive![/p][/quote]If Target was as good as Shaw - or even better - how come he didn't get in the team at the same time or even before Shaw; as they are almost exactly the same age.[/p][/quote]Two t's at the end Targett. They did say earlier that his development was a bit behind Luke Shaw, but he looked tidy enough in the friendlies, only time will tell if he will finally make the grade, but he has been highly regarded at St. Marys and the England camp, can't ask for more than that. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

12:32am Mon 21 Jul 14

Graham, North of Watford says...

will2ksaints wrote:
Let the tw@t go! All you negative idiots slamming everything anyone does these days, shut up for 5! Give the board, the new management team and ultimately the team a chance! If you don't like it go and support Liverpool or Spurs if your they much up the old managers or players ar-e!!!
Most in agreement with this post but the news does get wors.

Next 2 signings willdecide our fate.

If we spend big and buy good we are rebuilding. If we spend less and buy less exciting it will be the dark days again.

I still have faith in the Board and Management.

Lets wait and see
[quote][p][bold]will2ksaints[/bold] wrote: Let the tw@t go! All you negative idiots slamming everything anyone does these days, shut up for 5! Give the board, the new management team and ultimately the team a chance! If you don't like it go and support Liverpool or Spurs if your they much up the old managers or players ar-e!!![/p][/quote]Most in agreement with this post but the news does get wors. Next 2 signings willdecide our fate. If we spend big and buy good we are rebuilding. If we spend less and buy less exciting it will be the dark days again. I still have faith in the Board and Management. Lets wait and see Graham, North of Watford
  • Score: 7

12:38am Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Chicago Saint wrote:
saintand266 wrote:
16 million not enough even for that vile tw#t
What happened to rejecting 20M and "we're gonna get top money for him"? Why does management keep crumbling to players requests?
I think the £20m may have been agent speak, or possibly Euros?
[quote][p][bold]Chicago Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: 16 million not enough even for that vile tw#t[/p][/quote]What happened to rejecting 20M and "we're gonna get top money for him"? Why does management keep crumbling to players requests?[/p][/quote]I think the £20m may have been agent speak, or possibly Euros? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

12:41am Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Graham, North of Watford wrote:
will2ksaints wrote:
Let the tw@t go! All you negative idiots slamming everything anyone does these days, shut up for 5! Give the board, the new management team and ultimately the team a chance! If you don't like it go and support Liverpool or Spurs if your they much up the old managers or players ar-e!!!
Most in agreement with this post but the news does get wors.

Next 2 signings willdecide our fate.

If we spend big and buy good we are rebuilding. If we spend less and buy less exciting it will be the dark days again.

I still have faith in the Board and Management.

Lets wait and see
We paid around £8m got the fair bit of a Season out him and are doubling our outlay, some consolation I guess.
[quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]will2ksaints[/bold] wrote: Let the tw@t go! All you negative idiots slamming everything anyone does these days, shut up for 5! Give the board, the new management team and ultimately the team a chance! If you don't like it go and support Liverpool or Spurs if your they much up the old managers or players ar-e!!![/p][/quote]Most in agreement with this post but the news does get wors. Next 2 signings willdecide our fate. If we spend big and buy good we are rebuilding. If we spend less and buy less exciting it will be the dark days again. I still have faith in the Board and Management. Lets wait and see[/p][/quote]We paid around £8m got the fair bit of a Season out him and are doubling our outlay, some consolation I guess. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

12:41am Mon 21 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
I can't believe everyone's slagging the club off before the season's even started!

You should be excited with lovrens exit! Look who we've replaced the other 3 with;

Lambert - PELLE (50 goals in two seasons is amazing in any league! Plus he scored 2 on his debut and looks stronger and quicker than rickie!)

Lallana - TADIC (2nd in Europe for most chances created, scores and assists for fun! Plus many Liverhampton fans wanted him instead of Lallana...)

Shaw - TARGETT (Ok we didn't pay money for him but it's been claimed by many inside the club that he's even better than Luke Shaw!)

Big Ron has already said he wants Vlaar and will be talking to him...After watching him in the World Cup he looks better than Lovren. So far we've replaced our outgoing players with better quality, how anyone can write us off has not got a footballing brain!

RONALD KOEMAN IS OUR MANAGER FFS!! You'd be mad to think that Ron wouldn't be able to do as good as (if not better) job than Poch did! Ron's building his own team, Poch inherited Adkins' think about that..

Get behind the club and be positive!
If Target was as good as Shaw - or even better - how come he didn't get in the team at the same time or even before Shaw; as they are almost exactly the same age.
Two t's at the end Targett. They did say earlier that his development was a bit behind Luke Shaw, but he looked tidy enough in the friendlies, only time will tell if he will finally make the grade, but he has been highly regarded at St. Marys and the England camp, can't ask for more than that.
Agreed ; but I am jut stating that if his development is slightly behind Shaw's - how would they know if he is an even better player than Shaw.

It doesn't make any sense at all

So - Two tt's at the end of Targett then?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: I can't believe everyone's slagging the club off before the season's even started! You should be excited with lovrens exit! Look who we've replaced the other 3 with; Lambert - PELLE (50 goals in two seasons is amazing in any league! Plus he scored 2 on his debut and looks stronger and quicker than rickie!) Lallana - TADIC (2nd in Europe for most chances created, scores and assists for fun! Plus many Liverhampton fans wanted him instead of Lallana...) Shaw - TARGETT (Ok we didn't pay money for him but it's been claimed by many inside the club that he's even better than Luke Shaw!) Big Ron has already said he wants Vlaar and will be talking to him...After watching him in the World Cup he looks better than Lovren. So far we've replaced our outgoing players with better quality, how anyone can write us off has not got a footballing brain! RONALD KOEMAN IS OUR MANAGER FFS!! You'd be mad to think that Ron wouldn't be able to do as good as (if not better) job than Poch did! Ron's building his own team, Poch inherited Adkins' think about that.. Get behind the club and be positive![/p][/quote]If Target was as good as Shaw - or even better - how come he didn't get in the team at the same time or even before Shaw; as they are almost exactly the same age.[/p][/quote]Two t's at the end Targett. They did say earlier that his development was a bit behind Luke Shaw, but he looked tidy enough in the friendlies, only time will tell if he will finally make the grade, but he has been highly regarded at St. Marys and the England camp, can't ask for more than that.[/p][/quote]Agreed ; but I am jut stating that if his development is slightly behind Shaw's - how would they know if he is an even better player than Shaw. It doesn't make any sense at all So - Two tt's at the end of Targett then? Saints n Winners
  • Score: 6

12:55am Mon 21 Jul 14

Jesus_02 says...

The EPL is becoming pointless. Maybe we and the other 14 teams can loan some players from the top 6! 600 pound a year to watch a different team evey year. boll0x
The EPL is becoming pointless. Maybe we and the other 14 teams can loan some players from the top 6! 600 pound a year to watch a different team evey year. boll0x Jesus_02
  • Score: 6

1:02am Mon 21 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

huge bunch of hypocrites on this site then! oh and wums!
they wanted dejan gone said he would go and slatted him in the process, and now he looks to be on his way its the boards fault!
FFS never seen so many about turns since blair was in No. 10
huge bunch of hypocrites on this site then! oh and wums! they wanted dejan gone said he would go and slatted him in the process, and now he looks to be on his way its the boards fault! FFS never seen so many about turns since blair was in No. 10 de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -9

1:13am Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
I can't believe everyone's slagging the club off before the season's even started!

You should be excited with lovrens exit! Look who we've replaced the other 3 with;

Lambert - PELLE (50 goals in two seasons is amazing in any league! Plus he scored 2 on his debut and looks stronger and quicker than rickie!)

Lallana - TADIC (2nd in Europe for most chances created, scores and assists for fun! Plus many Liverhampton fans wanted him instead of Lallana...)

Shaw - TARGETT (Ok we didn't pay money for him but it's been claimed by many inside the club that he's even better than Luke Shaw!)

Big Ron has already said he wants Vlaar and will be talking to him...After watching him in the World Cup he looks better than Lovren. So far we've replaced our outgoing players with better quality, how anyone can write us off has not got a footballing brain!

RONALD KOEMAN IS OUR MANAGER FFS!! You'd be mad to think that Ron wouldn't be able to do as good as (if not better) job than Poch did! Ron's building his own team, Poch inherited Adkins' think about that..

Get behind the club and be positive!
If Target was as good as Shaw - or even better - how come he didn't get in the team at the same time or even before Shaw; as they are almost exactly the same age.
Two t's at the end Targett. They did say earlier that his development was a bit behind Luke Shaw, but he looked tidy enough in the friendlies, only time will tell if he will finally make the grade, but he has been highly regarded at St. Marys and the England camp, can't ask for more than that.
Agreed ; but I am jut stating that if his development is slightly behind Shaw's - how would they know if he is an even better player than Shaw.

It doesn't make any sense at all

So - Two tt's at the end of Targett then?
It makes quite good sense as some players mature quicker than others, Rickie was a late developer. Personally I am not sure Matt will be better than Luke, his technique is certainly different.
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: I can't believe everyone's slagging the club off before the season's even started! You should be excited with lovrens exit! Look who we've replaced the other 3 with; Lambert - PELLE (50 goals in two seasons is amazing in any league! Plus he scored 2 on his debut and looks stronger and quicker than rickie!) Lallana - TADIC (2nd in Europe for most chances created, scores and assists for fun! Plus many Liverhampton fans wanted him instead of Lallana...) Shaw - TARGETT (Ok we didn't pay money for him but it's been claimed by many inside the club that he's even better than Luke Shaw!) Big Ron has already said he wants Vlaar and will be talking to him...After watching him in the World Cup he looks better than Lovren. So far we've replaced our outgoing players with better quality, how anyone can write us off has not got a footballing brain! RONALD KOEMAN IS OUR MANAGER FFS!! You'd be mad to think that Ron wouldn't be able to do as good as (if not better) job than Poch did! Ron's building his own team, Poch inherited Adkins' think about that.. Get behind the club and be positive![/p][/quote]If Target was as good as Shaw - or even better - how come he didn't get in the team at the same time or even before Shaw; as they are almost exactly the same age.[/p][/quote]Two t's at the end Targett. They did say earlier that his development was a bit behind Luke Shaw, but he looked tidy enough in the friendlies, only time will tell if he will finally make the grade, but he has been highly regarded at St. Marys and the England camp, can't ask for more than that.[/p][/quote]Agreed ; but I am jut stating that if his development is slightly behind Shaw's - how would they know if he is an even better player than Shaw. It doesn't make any sense at all So - Two tt's at the end of Targett then?[/p][/quote]It makes quite good sense as some players mature quicker than others, Rickie was a late developer. Personally I am not sure Matt will be better than Luke, his technique is certainly different. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

1:33am Mon 21 Jul 14

andoru says...

Beyond a joke now. Brendan Rodgers has a lot to answer for. Has there ever been a case of one team buying or trying to buy four of another team's starting 11 in one transfer window?
Beyond a joke now. Brendan Rodgers has a lot to answer for. Has there ever been a case of one team buying or trying to buy four of another team's starting 11 in one transfer window? andoru
  • Score: 6

2:13am Mon 21 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Why is it people are so ready to believe the fees put about by the media? Who at either club said there was a £20mill bid? Cant say Dejan because he said the club didn't tell him but didn't say who did! Now who at either club is claiming its a £16mill fee? Again no one just figures from the media. Yet people are so quick to believe these figures that they are having a go at the board for refusing £20mill to take £16mill just a few days later! How does that fit into the 'asset stripping' conspiracy theory? Surely if 'asset stripping' was going on then the higher bid would have been taken!
One thing for sure is that I wouldn't believe diverpooh or the English media when it comes to transfer fees. Diverpooh claimed they got £75mill for the vampire and the English media want to make it look good for one of their darlings so they go with that figure, however Barcelona say it was £64.5mill and this was backed up by sky's Spanish football expert live on sky yet sky themselves go with a £70mill figure!

Seed you say we blew a chance in a lifetime. Well firstly you cant claim that until the season has ended and we know where we finish, you never know we might have seen some of these players through saints tinted glazes and they aren't as good as we thought, again we will find out this season, not before. We might have been 5/6 players away from challenging for the top 6 or 4? Surely you don't believe that we could compete with the 'boy's teams spending power to get the players needed? Its not the case of 5/6 players of the standard we have been buying the last couple of seasons to really challenge you need to bring in top top quality players! Not £10-£20mill players, spuds did that last season and it got them nowhere nearer the top 4, we would need to bring in £25mill+ players and how many of them do you think we could buy or convince to come a year? To challenge the top 4 we aren't just going up against them for those players we habeas to compete with the rest of Europe and the teams that can afford to have the players we would need just sat on the bench! What it looks to me that the club are doing is selling some big money players so that they can strengthen the squad, we had a very light squad last year and struggled to put out a striker in some games. We may have only brought in 2 so far but despite what a couple of ignorant WUMs think there will be more to follow.
Why is it people are so ready to believe the fees put about by the media? Who at either club said there was a £20mill bid? Cant say Dejan because he said the club didn't tell him but didn't say who did! Now who at either club is claiming its a £16mill fee? Again no one just figures from the media. Yet people are so quick to believe these figures that they are having a go at the board for refusing £20mill to take £16mill just a few days later! How does that fit into the 'asset stripping' conspiracy theory? Surely if 'asset stripping' was going on then the higher bid would have been taken! One thing for sure is that I wouldn't believe diverpooh or the English media when it comes to transfer fees. Diverpooh claimed they got £75mill for the vampire and the English media want to make it look good for one of their darlings so they go with that figure, however Barcelona say it was £64.5mill and this was backed up by sky's Spanish football expert live on sky yet sky themselves go with a £70mill figure! Seed you say we blew a chance in a lifetime. Well firstly you cant claim that until the season has ended and we know where we finish, you never know we might have seen some of these players through saints tinted glazes and they aren't as good as we thought, again we will find out this season, not before. We might have been 5/6 players away from challenging for the top 6 or 4? Surely you don't believe that we could compete with the 'boy's teams spending power to get the players needed? Its not the case of 5/6 players of the standard we have been buying the last couple of seasons to really challenge you need to bring in top top quality players! Not £10-£20mill players, spuds did that last season and it got them nowhere nearer the top 4, we would need to bring in £25mill+ players and how many of them do you think we could buy or convince to come a year? To challenge the top 4 we aren't just going up against them for those players we habeas to compete with the rest of Europe and the teams that can afford to have the players we would need just sat on the bench! What it looks to me that the club are doing is selling some big money players so that they can strengthen the squad, we had a very light squad last year and struggled to put out a striker in some games. We may have only brought in 2 so far but despite what a couple of ignorant WUMs think there will be more to follow. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 5

4:03am Mon 21 Jul 14

cebu blue says...

echo1948 wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
To be expected sadly. I've been saying since he cane back he wasn't looking happy nor that we had heard the last of this. I also suspect we have more bad news to come from Schneiderlin. It's the usual disappointment once the big boys come calling and the agents sniff another pay day. It's how the club responds now that matters. Tough times but we will come through this even if we have some pain pain to endure first.
I don,t see how we can recover from losing the backbone of our team. A few token buys is not going to fill the void left in the squad. I am afraid I can see a season of a relegation battle and a few real bad canings along the way.
Don't worry Championship football is only one step backwards if it does happen. .
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: To be expected sadly. I've been saying since he cane back he wasn't looking happy nor that we had heard the last of this. I also suspect we have more bad news to come from Schneiderlin. It's the usual disappointment once the big boys come calling and the agents sniff another pay day. It's how the club responds now that matters. Tough times but we will come through this even if we have some pain pain to endure first.[/p][/quote]I don,t see how we can recover from losing the backbone of our team. A few token buys is not going to fill the void left in the squad. I am afraid I can see a season of a relegation battle and a few real bad canings along the way.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Championship football is only one step backwards if it does happen. . cebu blue
  • Score: 1

4:38am Mon 21 Jul 14

saintjon127 says...

echo1948 wrote:
montecristosaint wrote:
Andy Welsh you need to wake up. I seriously question whether there will be any ins as you put it, and certainly not of the quality that we have let go. The club has been systematically raped by Liebherr , there is no real commitment there and i am willing to bet the club will be sold this summer.
Well said. Perhaps, at last, the stark reality is dawning on a few of the true supporters.
W@nker! So you think being a doom merchant makes you a true fan!! You sir are a complete tool.
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: Andy Welsh you need to wake up. I seriously question whether there will be any ins as you put it, and certainly not of the quality that we have let go. The club has been systematically raped by Liebherr , there is no real commitment there and i am willing to bet the club will be sold this summer.[/p][/quote]Well said. Perhaps, at last, the stark reality is dawning on a few of the true supporters.[/p][/quote]W@nker! So you think being a doom merchant makes you a true fan!! You sir are a complete tool. saintjon127
  • Score: 1

5:00am Mon 21 Jul 14

montecristosaint says...

I am at a loss to know what to say its one thing being able to work out what Liebherr was up to once Cortese had gone, and quite another having to come to terms with the sheer destruction that has been the result of Liebherr s betrayal of her father s dream. Any reasonable fan will know we were within striking distance of the top four three or four signings at a cost of perhaps 40 million would have done it for us but even with increased TV money Liebherr was not prepared to back the club. You just cant put any gloss on the situation, I love this club and I am beyond anger at what Liebherr, aided by by those two yes men Reed and Krueger have done. I commend Saints fans generally for the fortitude many are showing in the face of all this, its admirable, really, but the fact remains that Markus Liebherr would not have allowed this to happen. NONE OF IT. You just dont go and buy a football club , invest all of that money and then asset strip the club to the point where even our status as a Premiership club has been put at risk. My only question, and I think it is a valid one, is what on earth was Koeman doing when he signed up to the club, does he know something we do not? Or is some bright spark going to tell me we have even better young players in the academy than those we have let go, all of whom were top internationals? And it is highly likely, Id put money on it, that Schneiderlin and Rodriguez will also go. I can just imagine the atmosphere at Anfield first game of the season when we get slaughtered by our own players. Is Miss Liebherr going to be in attendance , will she even turn up to face the music at St Marys first game of the season? Of course not she would not dare, what kind of future awaits us with an owner like that? And so I put once again the question that has been uppermost in my mind all summer long..

IS THE CLUB BEING SOLD????
I am at a loss to know what to say its one thing being able to work out what Liebherr was up to once Cortese had gone, and quite another having to come to terms with the sheer destruction that has been the result of Liebherr s betrayal of her father s dream. Any reasonable fan will know we were within striking distance of the top four three or four signings at a cost of perhaps 40 million would have done it for us but even with increased TV money Liebherr was not prepared to back the club. You just cant put any gloss on the situation, I love this club and I am beyond anger at what Liebherr, aided by by those two yes men Reed and Krueger have done. I commend Saints fans generally for the fortitude many are showing in the face of all this, its admirable, really, but the fact remains that Markus Liebherr would not have allowed this to happen. NONE OF IT. You just dont go and buy a football club , invest all of that money and then asset strip the club to the point where even our status as a Premiership club has been put at risk. My only question, and I think it is a valid one, is what on earth was Koeman doing when he signed up to the club, does he know something we do not? Or is some bright spark going to tell me we have even better young players in the academy than those we have let go, all of whom were top internationals? And it is highly likely, Id put money on it, that Schneiderlin and Rodriguez will also go. I can just imagine the atmosphere at Anfield first game of the season when we get slaughtered by our own players. Is Miss Liebherr going to be in attendance , will she even turn up to face the music at St Marys first game of the season? Of course not she would not dare, what kind of future awaits us with an owner like that? And so I put once again the question that has been uppermost in my mind all summer long.. IS THE CLUB BEING SOLD???? montecristosaint
  • Score: 0

5:28am Mon 21 Jul 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Forgive my ignorance, but whats a WUM?
Forgive my ignorance, but whats a WUM? KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 1

6:02am Mon 21 Jul 14

hedge end bob says...

3 Thumbs down , no explanation what a true supporter is. Oh well at least 3 wums on here today but,
WHAT IS A TRUE SUPORTER ????????????????????
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3 Thumbs down , no explanation what a true supporter is. Oh well at least 3 wums on here today but, WHAT IS A TRUE SUPORTER ???????????????????? ???????????????????? ?? hedge end bob
  • Score: 3

6:11am Mon 21 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

What i do not understand about all this is why are players being allowed to leave without replacements first recruited.look how fast after the window opened the 3 transfers were done,all on the buying clubs terms. Now we have koeman saying vlaar is an option(in the media). Villa will just say yeah the asking price is 23 million.every club now knows what we need and how much money we have,also who we want.that is just amateur.we are severely weaken in players and negotiation strength.i get what some posters are saying that what is the point of moaning but this is lies as well as incompetence.the question is not really who we sold but why they were allowed such a quick exit when les reed said it will be on our terms and to the benefit of saints.he did exactly the opposite.poster have pointed out that he got a fair price but what is the point of it when everyone knows you've got it,you want their player and the manager is even stating that the target will be expensive.vlaar is now off the table because of the size of the fee for lovren and koeman opening his trap.any club worth their salt will hold us to ransom for any of their players and so they should.
Les and Ralph go now
What i do not understand about all this is why are players being allowed to leave without replacements first recruited.look how fast after the window opened the 3 transfers were done,all on the buying clubs terms. Now we have koeman saying vlaar is an option(in the media). Villa will just say yeah the asking price is 23 million.every club now knows what we need and how much money we have,also who we want.that is just amateur.we are severely weaken in players and negotiation strength.i get what some posters are saying that what is the point of moaning but this is lies as well as incompetence.the question is not really who we sold but why they were allowed such a quick exit when les reed said it will be on our terms and to the benefit of saints.he did exactly the opposite.poster have pointed out that he got a fair price but what is the point of it when everyone knows you've got it,you want their player and the manager is even stating that the target will be expensive.vlaar is now off the table because of the size of the fee for lovren and koeman opening his trap.any club worth their salt will hold us to ransom for any of their players and so they should. Les and Ralph go now Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -1

6:29am Mon 21 Jul 14

saintgibbo says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Forgive my ignorance, but whats a WUM?
Wind up merchant. Had to Google it myself last season.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but whats a WUM?[/p][/quote]Wind up merchant. Had to Google it myself last season. saintgibbo
  • Score: 3

6:39am Mon 21 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I feel that the players that left under the banner of playing for a club that has no ambition is a bit of a hypocritial cop out on their part. Everyone knows that Saints isn't a top flight club. To achieve high end results is inevitably an endless struggle and hard work and thats why I love the Saint's so much, apart from being born there. Surely the players know if the board threw the kind of money required to achieve champions league football or winning the league, that the bubble would burst pretty quick and we would be relegated or worse. I guess it's easier to have your ambitions as a player catered for to leave for a club that has things on a silver platter for you. Even if the board has it in mind to retract a bit and regroup after this exodus at the expense of a few league placings I see the logic in it. It is becoming fairly evident to me that rebuilding the team and not expecting too much needs to be the focal point for the near future. Tough times ahead indeed, but if anyone can pull through we can!
You have written that everyone knows Southampton FC is not a top flight club. I do not doubt that you were born in Hampshire, but for your information, Saints have spent many more years in the top flight since 1966 than at lower levels. If you ever decide to come to St. Marys by sea, try turning right at the Isle of Wight and you should find the Hampshire club that everyone knows is not a top flight club. It is called Portsmouth FC!
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I feel that the players that left under the banner of playing for a club that has no ambition is a bit of a hypocritial cop out on their part. Everyone knows that Saints isn't a top flight club. To achieve high end results is inevitably an endless struggle and hard work and thats why I love the Saint's so much, apart from being born there. Surely the players know if the board threw the kind of money required to achieve champions league football or winning the league, that the bubble would burst pretty quick and we would be relegated or worse. I guess it's easier to have your ambitions as a player catered for to leave for a club that has things on a silver platter for you. Even if the board has it in mind to retract a bit and regroup after this exodus at the expense of a few league placings I see the logic in it. It is becoming fairly evident to me that rebuilding the team and not expecting too much needs to be the focal point for the near future. Tough times ahead indeed, but if anyone can pull through we can![/p][/quote]You have written that everyone knows Southampton FC is not a top flight club. I do not doubt that you were born in Hampshire, but for your information, Saints have spent many more years in the top flight since 1966 than at lower levels. If you ever decide to come to St. Marys by sea, try turning right at the Isle of Wight and you should find the Hampshire club that everyone knows is not a top flight club. It is called Portsmouth FC! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 0

7:21am Mon 21 Jul 14

Malcombe says...

No Southampton Supporter wanted this frenzy of Players leaving that's obvious and it's horrible, the Players wanted and others want to leave for money money money, IMO they possibly overrate themselves but the Managers know good Players the majority of the time, Brendan Rodgers may not be a well known ex Player but he's rated highly by Steven Gerrard who is very experienced and recently said that Rodgers must stay as he's the best Coach he's ever played under.
The exodus of so many Players especially the majority to a rival Club is hurting us all but how can it be stopped if a Player says I want to leave? It's so easy to blame those that control the Club but we should not blame them entirely if at all, I wouldn't want Les Reeds job he has a thankless task of persuading Players to stay when they are mindset on leaving for the nonsense excuse of CLF when obviously it's money, I had no reason to disbelieve Les Reed when he said there will not be a fire sale because he doesn't want them to go but the Players know that Contracts are there to be broken even to point of the buying Club paying off the Contract so SFC can't win, I'm sure when Les has a Player with him and assures the Player the Clubs ambitions have not changed (and I believe 100% the directions is onwards and upwards) when the Player has said there's only one decision I have and that is I want to leave Les probably leaves his chair feeling despondent and disappointed that he's not been successful, Lovren for example has looked very miserable in Training and appeared to turn his head when he knew the Camera was on him and the body language saying I shouldn't be here and looked very obvious he's finished with Southampton, it's not easy for Les because he then has the horrible task of explaining it all to everyone.

There are many positives and plenty of optimism for the future, the money the Club will get for all the Players to date has been fantastic, the new Players will of settled and wouldn't it be wonderful if 2 unknown Players to the Premiership who are only known for there speed and skills in Holland score in the first game of the season, I've known this to happen but Brendan Rodgers won't mention one word about Southampton if they totally outplay Liverpool that's too much to handle, he'll never give praise to any opposition but there will be shed loads of gloat from us Supporters that's for sure.
Come on everyone be patient and positive and support the Board the new Manager and his Staff and all new Players they only want the best for the Club, I'm sure there will be a lot of movement with Players in the next 2 weeks and there's still 4 weeks to go and if Southampton finish next season in the Top 3 the Club will never want to drop below that finish again and the Club will become one of the top Clubs . COYR
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No Southampton Supporter wanted this frenzy of Players leaving that's obvious and it's horrible, the Players wanted and others want to leave for money money money, IMO they possibly overrate themselves but the Managers know good Players the majority of the time, Brendan Rodgers may not be a well known ex Player but he's rated highly by Steven Gerrard who is very experienced and recently said that Rodgers must stay as he's the best Coach he's ever played under. The exodus of so many Players especially the majority to a rival Club is hurting us all but how can it be stopped if a Player says I want to leave? It's so easy to blame those that control the Club but we should not blame them entirely if at all, I wouldn't want Les Reeds job he has a thankless task of persuading Players to stay when they are mindset on leaving for the nonsense excuse of CLF when obviously it's money, I had no reason to disbelieve Les Reed when he said there will not be a fire sale because he doesn't want them to go but the Players know that Contracts are there to be broken even to point of the buying Club paying off the Contract so SFC can't win, I'm sure when Les has a Player with him and assures the Player the Clubs ambitions have not changed (and I believe 100% the directions is onwards and upwards) when the Player has said there's only one decision I have and that is I want to leave Les probably leaves his chair feeling despondent and disappointed that he's not been successful, Lovren for example has looked very miserable in Training and appeared to turn his head when he knew the Camera was on him and the body language saying I shouldn't be here and looked very obvious he's finished with Southampton, it's not easy for Les because he then has the horrible task of explaining it all to everyone. There are many positives and plenty of optimism for the future, the money the Club will get for all the Players to date has been fantastic, the new Players will of settled and wouldn't it be wonderful if 2 unknown Players to the Premiership who are only known for there speed and skills in Holland score in the first game of the season, I've known this to happen but Brendan Rodgers won't mention one word about Southampton if they totally outplay Liverpool that's too much to handle, he'll never give praise to any opposition but there will be shed loads of gloat from us Supporters that's for sure. Come on everyone be patient and positive and support the Board the new Manager and his Staff and all new Players they only want the best for the Club, I'm sure there will be a lot of movement with Players in the next 2 weeks and there's still 4 weeks to go and if Southampton finish next season in the Top 3 the Club will never want to drop below that finish again and the Club will become one of the top Clubs . COYR . Malcombe
  • Score: 6

7:26am Mon 21 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

Just read this …there are some serious questions I would like to ask Reed and the board…like WTF are you doing!
Just read this …there are some serious questions I would like to ask Reed and the board…like WTF are you doing! warrens 76
  • Score: -1

7:48am Mon 21 Jul 14

saintforever says...

just my own opinion but wonder whether some of these players were tapped up whilst away with england team -seems strange that players have all wanted away to liverhampton - when did they ALL decide this?
just my own opinion but wonder whether some of these players were tapped up whilst away with england team -seems strange that players have all wanted away to liverhampton - when did they ALL decide this? saintforever
  • Score: 7

7:50am Mon 21 Jul 14

rambo5 says...

get rid of the money grabbing piece of **** and we will see the mighty saints destroy liverhampton on the 17 th it seems rodgers is panic buying SAINTS FOREVER roko to sort team to his standard then we shall see keep the FAITH
get rid of the money grabbing piece of **** and we will see the mighty saints destroy liverhampton on the 17 th it seems rodgers is panic buying SAINTS FOREVER roko to sort team to his standard then we shall see keep the FAITH rambo5
  • Score: 0

7:51am Mon 21 Jul 14

michael67 says...

This just goes to show, if you fear you cant beat the opposition, BUY all their best players. God i prey Liverhampton flounder and sink to 7th or 8th this coming season. I doubt we will finish above 14th at this rate, thats if we even remain in the Premiere league.
This just goes to show, if you fear you cant beat the opposition, BUY all their best players. God i prey Liverhampton flounder and sink to 7th or 8th this coming season. I doubt we will finish above 14th at this rate, thats if we even remain in the Premiere league. michael67
  • Score: 1

7:57am Mon 21 Jul 14

michael67 says...

It is blatantly obvious why Liverpool bought Rickie Lambert. They needed him not to play football but to help persuade our other players who were always their targets to move with him. IF Rickie had stayed so would the others. The Liverpool board have been very shrewd and clever, our board have been blind, blinkered and totally out classed. The ONLY sale which should have gone through was Shaw. I fear Rickie will only last one season with the new LIVERHAMPTON. He has already fulfilled his purpose.
It is blatantly obvious why Liverpool bought Rickie Lambert. They needed him not to play football but to help persuade our other players who were always their targets to move with him. IF Rickie had stayed so would the others. The Liverpool board have been very shrewd and clever, our board have been blind, blinkered and totally out classed. The ONLY sale which should have gone through was Shaw. I fear Rickie will only last one season with the new LIVERHAMPTON. He has already fulfilled his purpose. michael67
  • Score: 7

7:57am Mon 21 Jul 14

rambo5 says...

Malcombe wrote:
No Southampton Supporter wanted this frenzy of Players leaving that's obvious and it's horrible, the Players wanted and others want to leave for money money money, IMO they possibly overrate themselves but the Managers know good Players the majority of the time, Brendan Rodgers may not be a well known ex Player but he's rated highly by Steven Gerrard who is very experienced and recently said that Rodgers must stay as he's the best Coach he's ever played under.
The exodus of so many Players especially the majority to a rival Club is hurting us all but how can it be stopped if a Player says I want to leave? It's so easy to blame those that control the Club but we should not blame them entirely if at all, I wouldn't want Les Reeds job he has a thankless task of persuading Players to stay when they are mindset on leaving for the nonsense excuse of CLF when obviously it's money, I had no reason to disbelieve Les Reed when he said there will not be a fire sale because he doesn't want them to go but the Players know that Contracts are there to be broken even to point of the buying Club paying off the Contract so SFC can't win, I'm sure when Les has a Player with him and assures the Player the Clubs ambitions have not changed (and I believe 100% the directions is onwards and upwards) when the Player has said there's only one decision I have and that is I want to leave Les probably leaves his chair feeling despondent and disappointed that he's not been successful, Lovren for example has looked very miserable in Training and appeared to turn his head when he knew the Camera was on him and the body language saying I shouldn't be here and looked very obvious he's finished with Southampton, it's not easy for Les because he then has the horrible task of explaining it all to everyone.

There are many positives and plenty of optimism for the future, the money the Club will get for all the Players to date has been fantastic, the new Players will of settled and wouldn't it be wonderful if 2 unknown Players to the Premiership who are only known for there speed and skills in Holland score in the first game of the season, I've known this to happen but Brendan Rodgers won't mention one word about Southampton if they totally outplay Liverpool that's too much to handle, he'll never give praise to any opposition but there will be shed loads of gloat from us Supporters that's for sure.
Come on everyone be patient and positive and support the Board the new Manager and his Staff and all new Players they only want the best for the Club, I'm sure there will be a lot of movement with Players in the next 2 weeks and there's still 4 weeks to go and if Southampton finish next season in the Top 3 the Club will never want to drop below that finish again and the Club will become one of the top Clubs . COYR
.
well said and i agree we ALL need to stick together WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON and in a ROKO we trust,this season is gonna be mental for everyone SAINTS 3 LIVERHAMPTON 1
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: No Southampton Supporter wanted this frenzy of Players leaving that's obvious and it's horrible, the Players wanted and others want to leave for money money money, IMO they possibly overrate themselves but the Managers know good Players the majority of the time, Brendan Rodgers may not be a well known ex Player but he's rated highly by Steven Gerrard who is very experienced and recently said that Rodgers must stay as he's the best Coach he's ever played under. The exodus of so many Players especially the majority to a rival Club is hurting us all but how can it be stopped if a Player says I want to leave? It's so easy to blame those that control the Club but we should not blame them entirely if at all, I wouldn't want Les Reeds job he has a thankless task of persuading Players to stay when they are mindset on leaving for the nonsense excuse of CLF when obviously it's money, I had no reason to disbelieve Les Reed when he said there will not be a fire sale because he doesn't want them to go but the Players know that Contracts are there to be broken even to point of the buying Club paying off the Contract so SFC can't win, I'm sure when Les has a Player with him and assures the Player the Clubs ambitions have not changed (and I believe 100% the directions is onwards and upwards) when the Player has said there's only one decision I have and that is I want to leave Les probably leaves his chair feeling despondent and disappointed that he's not been successful, Lovren for example has looked very miserable in Training and appeared to turn his head when he knew the Camera was on him and the body language saying I shouldn't be here and looked very obvious he's finished with Southampton, it's not easy for Les because he then has the horrible task of explaining it all to everyone. There are many positives and plenty of optimism for the future, the money the Club will get for all the Players to date has been fantastic, the new Players will of settled and wouldn't it be wonderful if 2 unknown Players to the Premiership who are only known for there speed and skills in Holland score in the first game of the season, I've known this to happen but Brendan Rodgers won't mention one word about Southampton if they totally outplay Liverpool that's too much to handle, he'll never give praise to any opposition but there will be shed loads of gloat from us Supporters that's for sure. Come on everyone be patient and positive and support the Board the new Manager and his Staff and all new Players they only want the best for the Club, I'm sure there will be a lot of movement with Players in the next 2 weeks and there's still 4 weeks to go and if Southampton finish next season in the Top 3 the Club will never want to drop below that finish again and the Club will become one of the top Clubs . COYR .[/p][/quote]well said and i agree we ALL need to stick together WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON and in a ROKO we trust,this season is gonna be mental for everyone SAINTS 3 LIVERHAMPTON 1 rambo5
  • Score: 7

8:02am Mon 21 Jul 14

Mosschops says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Why is it people are so ready to believe the fees put about by the media? Who at either club said there was a £20mill bid? Cant say Dejan because he said the club didn't tell him but didn't say who did! Now who at either club is claiming its a £16mill fee? Again no one just figures from the media. Yet people are so quick to believe these figures that they are having a go at the board for refusing £20mill to take £16mill just a few days later! How does that fit into the 'asset stripping' conspiracy theory? Surely if 'asset stripping' was going on then the higher bid would have been taken!
One thing for sure is that I wouldn't believe diverpooh or the English media when it comes to transfer fees. Diverpooh claimed they got £75mill for the vampire and the English media want to make it look good for one of their darlings so they go with that figure, however Barcelona say it was £64.5mill and this was backed up by sky's Spanish football expert live on sky yet sky themselves go with a £70mill figure!

Seed you say we blew a chance in a lifetime. Well firstly you cant claim that until the season has ended and we know where we finish, you never know we might have seen some of these players through saints tinted glazes and they aren't as good as we thought, again we will find out this season, not before. We might have been 5/6 players away from challenging for the top 6 or 4? Surely you don't believe that we could compete with the 'boy's teams spending power to get the players needed? Its not the case of 5/6 players of the standard we have been buying the last couple of seasons to really challenge you need to bring in top top quality players! Not £10-£20mill players, spuds did that last season and it got them nowhere nearer the top 4, we would need to bring in £25mill+ players and how many of them do you think we could buy or convince to come a year? To challenge the top 4 we aren't just going up against them for those players we habeas to compete with the rest of Europe and the teams that can afford to have the players we would need just sat on the bench! What it looks to me that the club are doing is selling some big money players so that they can strengthen the squad, we had a very light squad last year and struggled to put out a striker in some games. We may have only brought in 2 so far but despite what a couple of ignorant WUMs think there will be more to follow.
Exactly. Plus the wages would have to treble at least. Kat not being prepared to throw £100 million plus at us to maybe get into the champions league but maybe becoming a Leeds is asking a hell of a lot. I am content and grateful to take 1 step back to eventually take 2 forward. Let's see who we bring in.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: Why is it people are so ready to believe the fees put about by the media? Who at either club said there was a £20mill bid? Cant say Dejan because he said the club didn't tell him but didn't say who did! Now who at either club is claiming its a £16mill fee? Again no one just figures from the media. Yet people are so quick to believe these figures that they are having a go at the board for refusing £20mill to take £16mill just a few days later! How does that fit into the 'asset stripping' conspiracy theory? Surely if 'asset stripping' was going on then the higher bid would have been taken! One thing for sure is that I wouldn't believe diverpooh or the English media when it comes to transfer fees. Diverpooh claimed they got £75mill for the vampire and the English media want to make it look good for one of their darlings so they go with that figure, however Barcelona say it was £64.5mill and this was backed up by sky's Spanish football expert live on sky yet sky themselves go with a £70mill figure! Seed you say we blew a chance in a lifetime. Well firstly you cant claim that until the season has ended and we know where we finish, you never know we might have seen some of these players through saints tinted glazes and they aren't as good as we thought, again we will find out this season, not before. We might have been 5/6 players away from challenging for the top 6 or 4? Surely you don't believe that we could compete with the 'boy's teams spending power to get the players needed? Its not the case of 5/6 players of the standard we have been buying the last couple of seasons to really challenge you need to bring in top top quality players! Not £10-£20mill players, spuds did that last season and it got them nowhere nearer the top 4, we would need to bring in £25mill+ players and how many of them do you think we could buy or convince to come a year? To challenge the top 4 we aren't just going up against them for those players we habeas to compete with the rest of Europe and the teams that can afford to have the players we would need just sat on the bench! What it looks to me that the club are doing is selling some big money players so that they can strengthen the squad, we had a very light squad last year and struggled to put out a striker in some games. We may have only brought in 2 so far but despite what a couple of ignorant WUMs think there will be more to follow.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Plus the wages would have to treble at least. Kat not being prepared to throw £100 million plus at us to maybe get into the champions league but maybe becoming a Leeds is asking a hell of a lot. I am content and grateful to take 1 step back to eventually take 2 forward. Let's see who we bring in. Mosschops
  • Score: 7

8:19am Mon 21 Jul 14

This is Southampton and we are the Saints says...

slugger wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .
Thank god thought I was the only one! Why can't more people realise that the league is run like a monopoly and if any team threatens the top teams this is what happens to them!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Because they didn't pose the threat that we did ,It's a cartel , simple as that .[/p][/quote]Thank god thought I was the only one! Why can't more people realise that the league is run like a monopoly and if any team threatens the top teams this is what happens to them!!!!!! This is Southampton and we are the Saints
  • Score: 4

8:21am Mon 21 Jul 14

thinklikealocal says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
No because they didn't outperform themselves last season which had the effect of making everone rave about them and therefore made them a 'desirable asset'. It's a sad consequence of our outstanding success in nurturing talent and playing exciting football on the pitch.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]No because they didn't outperform themselves last season which had the effect of making everone rave about them and therefore made them a 'desirable asset'. It's a sad consequence of our outstanding success in nurturing talent and playing exciting football on the pitch. thinklikealocal
  • Score: 7

8:24am Mon 21 Jul 14

andy newbury says...

I must confess the journey of getting to the premier league from league 1 has been more enjoyable than the time in the premier league, the pleasure of seeing our teams perform as they did without all the unrest from agents and greedy players was great,players playing to the best of their ability and enjoying themselves. disappointed at present but hopping for the good times to return, good entertaining football from players that want to be at saints and that showing in their attitude in the way they the game that has mostly been played by saints, the game is all about scoring more goals than your opponents so lets just get out there and do it and enjoy the games. these times are great for the armchair fans but not good for the ones who attend and follow their teams on the move,greedy players and agents are spoiling it for me, although ricky has gone he is the proper job just like matt le tiss . All i want is some form of normality once again and some proper football, if the youngsters can do it for us then bring it on as long as we KEEP them at the end of it and through the time they are playing for saints keep reminding them they are southampton players playing for southampton the saints way, we want our own class of 92 as happened at man u, train them and keep them. no more ranting now just cheering once i get back into st mary,s.COYR,S!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!
I must confess the journey of getting to the premier league from league 1 has been more enjoyable than the time in the premier league, the pleasure of seeing our teams perform as they did without all the unrest from agents and greedy players was great,players playing to the best of their ability and enjoying themselves. disappointed at present but hopping for the good times to return, good entertaining football from players that want to be at saints and that showing in their attitude in the way they the game that has mostly been played by saints, the game is all about scoring more goals than your opponents so lets just get out there and do it and enjoy the games. these times are great for the armchair fans but not good for the ones who attend and follow their teams on the move,greedy players and agents are spoiling it for me, although ricky has gone he is the proper job just like matt le tiss . All i want is some form of normality once again and some proper football, if the youngsters can do it for us then bring it on as long as we KEEP them at the end of it and through the time they are playing for saints keep reminding them they are southampton players playing for southampton the saints way, we want our own class of 92 as happened at man u, train them and keep them. no more ranting now just cheering once i get back into st mary,s.COYR,S!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! andy newbury
  • Score: 8

8:26am Mon 21 Jul 14

This is Southampton and we are the Saints says...

redsnapper wrote:
The Premiership the FA and the so called elite clubs SKY and the sycophants in the media are quite simply destroying the game as we know it.
Every club outside the big 5 are proving to be just cannon fodder and quite frankly I would rather enjoy the honesty of the Championship than the false hopes harboured by 15 clubs in the Prem which seems to be the best place for the world,s greediest players to pretend to be.
Agree if there not careful they are going to kill the golden goose!
[quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: The Premiership the FA and the so called elite clubs SKY and the sycophants in the media are quite simply destroying the game as we know it. Every club outside the big 5 are proving to be just cannon fodder and quite frankly I would rather enjoy the honesty of the Championship than the false hopes harboured by 15 clubs in the Prem which seems to be the best place for the world,s greediest players to pretend to be.[/p][/quote]Agree if there not careful they are going to kill the golden goose! This is Southampton and we are the Saints
  • Score: 5

8:31am Mon 21 Jul 14

NewForestStu says...

Thankyounicola wrote:
16 million after rejecting alleged 20 million offer?? Why Les couldn't you ask for more?
They got £75 million for Suarez . Why do we sell cheap? Is the need for money that bad?
Dont think so as we will see when other clubs jack thd price up for their players and our replacements. People need to wake up....someone on here predicting we will finish higher than last season and above Spurs, come off it. The guts of the team hsve been ripped out and mist fans and the board seem to have their heads firmly entrenched in the sand.

Schneiderlin yet to go and some think we can throw a new team together with little preperation and improve on last year.

Knew something was awry when we all had to cough up for our ST's early.

The board need time to prove themselves but they are certainly royally ballsing things up. Wewont go down this year but only because there will be 3 teams worst than us....that said, if we start the season badly watch out.
[quote][p][bold]Thankyounicola[/bold] wrote: 16 million after rejecting alleged 20 million offer?? Why Les couldn't you ask for more? They got £75 million for Suarez . Why do we sell cheap? Is the need for money that bad?[/p][/quote]Dont think so as we will see when other clubs jack thd price up for their players and our replacements. People need to wake up....someone on here predicting we will finish higher than last season and above Spurs, come off it. The guts of the team hsve been ripped out and mist fans and the board seem to have their heads firmly entrenched in the sand. Schneiderlin yet to go and some think we can throw a new team together with little preperation and improve on last year. Knew something was awry when we all had to cough up for our ST's early. The board need time to prove themselves but they are certainly royally ballsing things up. Wewont go down this year but only because there will be 3 teams worst than us....that said, if we start the season badly watch out. NewForestStu
  • Score: 2

8:37am Mon 21 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

bstokesaint wrote:
montecristosaint wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Have cork and fonte been offered new deals? This turning into a pantomime.a club reacting rather than be proactive.we have now placed ourselves in an extremely weak bargaining position for future transfers.why sell him now? Why not wait until WE have brought in his replacement? Weak board.mark my words Morgan is next.
Schneiderlin will be the next to go next week followed by Rodriguez. I also think Chambers may be sold. In short all our players are up for sale, it merely a matter of the amount. I strongly suspect there are things going on that we can only suspect, I have always been of the opinion that the club would be stripped then sold.
My god you're depressing! So Lovren looks to be going. No great surprise there then. You can't keep players who don't want to stay. And every player has his price. Even Messi and Ronaldo would be released for the right price, whatever that might be. We can speculate what happened. The players were massively influenced by the young and exciting Poch. When he left he probably told the players he was going in advance of this and maybe mentioned to them he thought that the club had gone as far as he could get them. A couple of international training camps later and the once collective Saints' unit, believe they can create success together again at bigger clubs. So they want out. It's hard for a club to stop this, so instead they recruit another exciting manager and give him some money to rebuild. It's a new dawn and a new era. A proper fan will embrace this and remain optimistic and leave the razor blades in the bathroom.
Thanks for your very good and most welcome post.

Saints have so far sold three players and bought two. The manager resigned and was replaced with a more successful, higher profile manager. If Lovren leaves, it won't be a disaster. He has been at Saints for only one season and can be replaced. Saints did ok the previous season, without Lovren. There seems to be widespread panic amongst Saints fans, but similar to you, I am optimistic about the new season. I believe Saints will sign more players.

It might be interesting if we were to conduct a poll on the question of potential relegation. I wonder if all the neggie veggie doom mongers are of the opinion with their votes right now that Saints will be relegated next season. I wonder also if all the positive happy clappers would be confident enough in Saints to do better than fighting relegation next season. My vote would go to Saints doing fine.
[quote][p][bold]bstokesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Have cork and fonte been offered new deals? This turning into a pantomime.a club reacting rather than be proactive.we have now placed ourselves in an extremely weak bargaining position for future transfers.why sell him now? Why not wait until WE have brought in his replacement? Weak board.mark my words Morgan is next.[/p][/quote]Schneiderlin will be the next to go next week followed by Rodriguez. I also think Chambers may be sold. In short all our players are up for sale, it merely a matter of the amount. I strongly suspect there are things going on that we can only suspect, I have always been of the opinion that the club would be stripped then sold.[/p][/quote]My god you're depressing! So Lovren looks to be going. No great surprise there then. You can't keep players who don't want to stay. And every player has his price. Even Messi and Ronaldo would be released for the right price, whatever that might be. We can speculate what happened. The players were massively influenced by the young and exciting Poch. When he left he probably told the players he was going in advance of this and maybe mentioned to them he thought that the club had gone as far as he could get them. A couple of international training camps later and the once collective Saints' unit, believe they can create success together again at bigger clubs. So they want out. It's hard for a club to stop this, so instead they recruit another exciting manager and give him some money to rebuild. It's a new dawn and a new era. A proper fan will embrace this and remain optimistic and leave the razor blades in the bathroom.[/p][/quote]Thanks for your very good and most welcome post. Saints have so far sold three players and bought two. The manager resigned and was replaced with a more successful, higher profile manager. If Lovren leaves, it won't be a disaster. He has been at Saints for only one season and can be replaced. Saints did ok the previous season, without Lovren. There seems to be widespread panic amongst Saints fans, but similar to you, I am optimistic about the new season. I believe Saints will sign more players. It might be interesting if we were to conduct a poll on the question of potential relegation. I wonder if all the neggie veggie doom mongers are of the opinion with their votes right now that Saints will be relegated next season. I wonder also if all the positive happy clappers would be confident enough in Saints to do better than fighting relegation next season. My vote would go to Saints doing fine. justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 0

8:38am Mon 21 Jul 14

thinklikealocal says...

saintjon127 wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
montecristosaint wrote:
Andy Welsh you need to wake up. I seriously question whether there will be any ins as you put it, and certainly not of the quality that we have let go. The club has been systematically raped by Liebherr , there is no real commitment there and i am willing to bet the club will be sold this summer.
Well said. Perhaps, at last, the stark reality is dawning on a few of the true supporters.
W@nker! So you think being a doom merchant makes you a true fan!! You sir are a complete tool.
That was exactly what I thought when I read it. Who the hell is this person to determine what a 'true fan is'? IMO a true fan is one who sticks by the club through hell or high water. Quite a few on here would not fill that definition.
[quote][p][bold]saintjon127[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: Andy Welsh you need to wake up. I seriously question whether there will be any ins as you put it, and certainly not of the quality that we have let go. The club has been systematically raped by Liebherr , there is no real commitment there and i am willing to bet the club will be sold this summer.[/p][/quote]Well said. Perhaps, at last, the stark reality is dawning on a few of the true supporters.[/p][/quote]W@nker! So you think being a doom merchant makes you a true fan!! You sir are a complete tool.[/p][/quote]That was exactly what I thought when I read it. Who the hell is this person to determine what a 'true fan is'? IMO a true fan is one who sticks by the club through hell or high water. Quite a few on here would not fill that definition. thinklikealocal
  • Score: 1

8:41am Mon 21 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

montecristosaint wrote:
I am at a loss to know what to say its one thing being able to work out what Liebherr was up to once Cortese had gone, and quite another having to come to terms with the sheer destruction that has been the result of Liebherr s betrayal of her father s dream. Any reasonable fan will know we were within striking distance of the top four three or four signings at a cost of perhaps 40 million would have done it for us but even with increased TV money Liebherr was not prepared to back the club. You just cant put any gloss on the situation, I love this club and I am beyond anger at what Liebherr, aided by by those two yes men Reed and Krueger have done. I commend Saints fans generally for the fortitude many are showing in the face of all this, its admirable, really, but the fact remains that Markus Liebherr would not have allowed this to happen. NONE OF IT. You just dont go and buy a football club , invest all of that money and then asset strip the club to the point where even our status as a Premiership club has been put at risk. My only question, and I think it is a valid one, is what on earth was Koeman doing when he signed up to the club, does he know something we do not? Or is some bright spark going to tell me we have even better young players in the academy than those we have let go, all of whom were top internationals? And it is highly likely, Id put money on it, that Schneiderlin and Rodriguez will also go. I can just imagine the atmosphere at Anfield first game of the season when we get slaughtered by our own players. Is Miss Liebherr going to be in attendance , will she even turn up to face the music at St Marys first game of the season? Of course not she would not dare, what kind of future awaits us with an owner like that? And so I put once again the question that has been uppermost in my mind all summer long..

IS THE CLUB BEING SOLD????
3 or 4 £10-£13mill players away from the top 4? You are serious? You honestly think that a summer spend like that would have been enough to get from 8th to 4th?
3 or 4 £10mill players would have been enough to get us the extra 24pts needed to get in the top 4? To be able to compete with manure, who reportedly have £150-£200mill to spend? To compete and beat mancy, diverpooh, arsenil, spuds, chelski and even Everton? Really 3 or 4 £10mill players? Who are these cheap world class players and what positions do they play in, oh and why would the 'big' teams not be after them? We've signed 2 £10mill ish players, but are being constantly told by some that they are rubbish, are they some of the players we would have needed?

Look I want us to get into the top as much as the next person but I realise that we would need to spend £100mill plus, and that still might not be enough! The 'big' teams can afford to have £10mill players on the bench or in the reserves! Look how much they are and have spent on a single player, they can spend £40mill on a single player. Manure with a title winning squad and with a £27mill and a £37mill player, both on £70k+ a week wages, being added only finished 7th, 15pts away from champs league! Yet £40mill would have been enough for us?

I'm going to use a phrase that WUM love now,
Look its OK dreaming but I'm just being a realist here! £40mill would probably got us one place, maybe two, up the league, but noting the top 4
You seem to forget that we weren't the only team to tetanus increase in TV money.

Your attack on KL is nothing short disgraceful, how do you know her intentions or what st Markus would have done? For all we know st Markus might have sold us to the first bidder, probably wouldn't but how can we ever know? The facts just don't add up in this 'asset stripping' lie being peddled by the neggies, there would have been zero investment if all she wanted was as much cash as possible, don't compare our owner to the owners the shower down the road had, they would love that to be true and some have pretended to be saints fans to keep that rubbish going!
IS THE CLUB FOR SALE? Why who told you it was? That rumour only started after NC left, KL had been owner of the club for several months prior to that and no one mentioned it! Was reed a 'ted's man for the 4yrs he was working here under NC? No he was doing virtually the same job but we never heard from him! Would Ralph, who is a well respected man in several fields, risk his entire reputation to come here to be a 'yes man'? Of course he wouldn't!
If we haven't replaced and strengthened by the end of the window I all be one of the first to moan, but we will so I wont! I honestly think some would be happy to see us relegated, sold to a fake billionaire and go bust again just so they can say 'told you so'.
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: I am at a loss to know what to say its one thing being able to work out what Liebherr was up to once Cortese had gone, and quite another having to come to terms with the sheer destruction that has been the result of Liebherr s betrayal of her father s dream. Any reasonable fan will know we were within striking distance of the top four three or four signings at a cost of perhaps 40 million would have done it for us but even with increased TV money Liebherr was not prepared to back the club. You just cant put any gloss on the situation, I love this club and I am beyond anger at what Liebherr, aided by by those two yes men Reed and Krueger have done. I commend Saints fans generally for the fortitude many are showing in the face of all this, its admirable, really, but the fact remains that Markus Liebherr would not have allowed this to happen. NONE OF IT. You just dont go and buy a football club , invest all of that money and then asset strip the club to the point where even our status as a Premiership club has been put at risk. My only question, and I think it is a valid one, is what on earth was Koeman doing when he signed up to the club, does he know something we do not? Or is some bright spark going to tell me we have even better young players in the academy than those we have let go, all of whom were top internationals? And it is highly likely, Id put money on it, that Schneiderlin and Rodriguez will also go. I can just imagine the atmosphere at Anfield first game of the season when we get slaughtered by our own players. Is Miss Liebherr going to be in attendance , will she even turn up to face the music at St Marys first game of the season? Of course not she would not dare, what kind of future awaits us with an owner like that? And so I put once again the question that has been uppermost in my mind all summer long.. IS THE CLUB BEING SOLD????[/p][/quote]3 or 4 £10-£13mill players away from the top 4? You are serious? You honestly think that a summer spend like that would have been enough to get from 8th to 4th? 3 or 4 £10mill players would have been enough to get us the extra 24pts needed to get in the top 4? To be able to compete with manure, who reportedly have £150-£200mill to spend? To compete and beat mancy, diverpooh, arsenil, spuds, chelski and even Everton? Really 3 or 4 £10mill players? Who are these cheap world class players and what positions do they play in, oh and why would the 'big' teams not be after them? We've signed 2 £10mill ish players, but are being constantly told by some that they are rubbish, are they some of the players we would have needed? Look I want us to get into the top as much as the next person but I realise that we would need to spend £100mill plus, and that still might not be enough! The 'big' teams can afford to have £10mill players on the bench or in the reserves! Look how much they are and have spent on a single player, they can spend £40mill on a single player. Manure with a title winning squad and with a £27mill and a £37mill player, both on £70k+ a week wages, being added only finished 7th, 15pts away from champs league! Yet £40mill would have been enough for us? I'm going to use a phrase that WUM love now, Look its OK dreaming but I'm just being a realist here! £40mill would probably got us one place, maybe two, up the league, but noting the top 4 You seem to forget that we weren't the only team to tetanus increase in TV money. Your attack on KL is nothing short disgraceful, how do you know her intentions or what st Markus would have done? For all we know st Markus might have sold us to the first bidder, probably wouldn't but how can we ever know? The facts just don't add up in this 'asset stripping' lie being peddled by the neggies, there would have been zero investment if all she wanted was as much cash as possible, don't compare our owner to the owners the shower down the road had, they would love that to be true and some have pretended to be saints fans to keep that rubbish going! IS THE CLUB FOR SALE? Why who told you it was? That rumour only started after NC left, KL had been owner of the club for several months prior to that and no one mentioned it! Was reed a 'ted's man for the 4yrs he was working here under NC? No he was doing virtually the same job but we never heard from him! Would Ralph, who is a well respected man in several fields, risk his entire reputation to come here to be a 'yes man'? Of course he wouldn't! If we haven't replaced and strengthened by the end of the window I all be one of the first to moan, but we will so I wont! I honestly think some would be happy to see us relegated, sold to a fake billionaire and go bust again just so they can say 'told you so'. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 6

8:44am Mon 21 Jul 14

TGodSFC says...

Anyone know anything more about Jrod turning down the new contract??
Anyone know anything more about Jrod turning down the new contract?? TGodSFC
  • Score: 1

8:47am Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

andoru wrote:
Beyond a joke now. Brendan Rodgers has a lot to answer for. Has there ever been a case of one team buying or trying to buy four of another team's starting 11 in one transfer window?
No one at SFC has thought of it as some kind of a joke, there has been nothing done that is illegal, (tapping up players is rife and appears to be acceptable), and there really is nothing in the book to give our Club any come back, or any way to give them any powers to prevent the exodus. unless you have evidence to prove otherwise. It is this that we should be addressing, I am sure that the Board hasn't desired any of this, but as things stand, there doesn't appear to be anything that they could have done, other than to get the best return that they could. If you know different and my assumptions are wrong, please make it known what we could have done. It is too late for us now, but if we can help prevent a repeat in the future it might save our beautiful game from totally going down the tubes?
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: Beyond a joke now. Brendan Rodgers has a lot to answer for. Has there ever been a case of one team buying or trying to buy four of another team's starting 11 in one transfer window?[/p][/quote]No one at SFC has thought of it as some kind of a joke, there has been nothing done that is illegal, (tapping up players is rife and appears to be acceptable), and there really is nothing in the book to give our Club any come back, or any way to give them any powers to prevent the exodus. unless you have evidence to prove otherwise. It is this that we should be addressing, I am sure that the Board hasn't desired any of this, but as things stand, there doesn't appear to be anything that they could have done, other than to get the best return that they could. If you know different and my assumptions are wrong, please make it known what we could have done. It is too late for us now, but if we can help prevent a repeat in the future it might save our beautiful game from totally going down the tubes? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 6

8:49am Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

TGodSFC wrote:
Anyone know anything more about Jrod turning down the new contract??
If it is a fact, you know more about it than most.
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: Anyone know anything more about Jrod turning down the new contract??[/p][/quote]If it is a fact, you know more about it than most. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

8:50am Mon 21 Jul 14

neverhasbeen says...

Invidia wrote:
I like the look of the players Saints are linked with John Guidetti not sure of the spelling young Man city striker, Tosic Serbian left back and of course Vlaar. but to stay true to form and be a neggie if it takes so long to sign these players they will be too old to play and of course none of these are experienced PL players. we are very good at selling players but not much experience of buying hoh hum
Has Matty Holland's medical finished yet?
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: I like the look of the players Saints are linked with John Guidetti not sure of the spelling young Man city striker, Tosic Serbian left back and of course Vlaar. but to stay true to form and be a neggie if it takes so long to sign these players they will be too old to play and of course none of these are experienced PL players. we are very good at selling players but not much experience of buying hoh hum[/p][/quote]Has Matty Holland's medical finished yet? neverhasbeen
  • Score: 0

8:53am Mon 21 Jul 14

This is Southampton and we are the Saints says...

costa gaz wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
And so the exodus continues.
Where are all the idiots who said this was all paper talk???
Their heads are probably still buried in the sand.
They refused to believe that a single player would leave and we'd be challenging the top 4 next season.
People like you, me, seed, redandy etc.
saw all this coming and were berated for expressing such negative views.

This was all so obvious from the day Cortese resigned.
...And it ain't over yet.
Count me in chaps I can't stand listening the these mindless zombies who can't see the cold light of day! Never questioning anything! Just endless drivel about Support the club no matter what! There just sheep blindly following and believing whatever there told! I kind of envy them cos ignorance is bliss!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: And so the exodus continues. Where are all the idiots who said this was all paper talk???[/p][/quote]Their heads are probably still buried in the sand. They refused to believe that a single player would leave and we'd be challenging the top 4 next season. People like you, me, seed, redandy etc. saw all this coming and were berated for expressing such negative views. This was all so obvious from the day Cortese resigned. ...And it ain't over yet.[/p][/quote]Count me in chaps I can't stand listening the these mindless zombies who can't see the cold light of day! Never questioning anything! Just endless drivel about Support the club no matter what! There just sheep blindly following and believing whatever there told! I kind of envy them cos ignorance is bliss!!!!! This is Southampton and we are the Saints
  • Score: -1

8:56am Mon 21 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
montecristosaint wrote:
I am at a loss to know what to say its one thing being able to work out what Liebherr was up to once Cortese had gone, and quite another having to come to terms with the sheer destruction that has been the result of Liebherr s betrayal of her father s dream. Any reasonable fan will know we were within striking distance of the top four three or four signings at a cost of perhaps 40 million would have done it for us but even with increased TV money Liebherr was not prepared to back the club. You just cant put any gloss on the situation, I love this club and I am beyond anger at what Liebherr, aided by by those two yes men Reed and Krueger have done. I commend Saints fans generally for the fortitude many are showing in the face of all this, its admirable, really, but the fact remains that Markus Liebherr would not have allowed this to happen. NONE OF IT. You just dont go and buy a football club , invest all of that money and then asset strip the club to the point where even our status as a Premiership club has been put at risk. My only question, and I think it is a valid one, is what on earth was Koeman doing when he signed up to the club, does he know something we do not? Or is some bright spark going to tell me we have even better young players in the academy than those we have let go, all of whom were top internationals? And it is highly likely, Id put money on it, that Schneiderlin and Rodriguez will also go. I can just imagine the atmosphere at Anfield first game of the season when we get slaughtered by our own players. Is Miss Liebherr going to be in attendance , will she even turn up to face the music at St Marys first game of the season? Of course not she would not dare, what kind of future awaits us with an owner like that? And so I put once again the question that has been uppermost in my mind all summer long..

IS THE CLUB BEING SOLD????
3 or 4 £10-£13mill players away from the top 4? You are serious? You honestly think that a summer spend like that would have been enough to get from 8th to 4th?
3 or 4 £10mill players would have been enough to get us the extra 24pts needed to get in the top 4? To be able to compete with manure, who reportedly have £150-£200mill to spend? To compete and beat mancy, diverpooh, arsenil, spuds, chelski and even Everton? Really 3 or 4 £10mill players? Who are these cheap world class players and what positions do they play in, oh and why would the 'big' teams not be after them? We've signed 2 £10mill ish players, but are being constantly told by some that they are rubbish, are they some of the players we would have needed?

Look I want us to get into the top as much as the next person but I realise that we would need to spend £100mill plus, and that still might not be enough! The 'big' teams can afford to have £10mill players on the bench or in the reserves! Look how much they are and have spent on a single player, they can spend £40mill on a single player. Manure with a title winning squad and with a £27mill and a £37mill player, both on £70k+ a week wages, being added only finished 7th, 15pts away from champs league! Yet £40mill would have been enough for us?

I'm going to use a phrase that WUM love now,
Look its OK dreaming but I'm just being a realist here! £40mill would probably got us one place, maybe two, up the league, but noting the top 4
You seem to forget that we weren't the only team to tetanus increase in TV money.

Your attack on KL is nothing short disgraceful, how do you know her intentions or what st Markus would have done? For all we know st Markus might have sold us to the first bidder, probably wouldn't but how can we ever know? The facts just don't add up in this 'asset stripping' lie being peddled by the neggies, there would have been zero investment if all she wanted was as much cash as possible, don't compare our owner to the owners the shower down the road had, they would love that to be true and some have pretended to be saints fans to keep that rubbish going!
IS THE CLUB FOR SALE? Why who told you it was? That rumour only started after NC left, KL had been owner of the club for several months prior to that and no one mentioned it! Was reed a 'ted's man for the 4yrs he was working here under NC? No he was doing virtually the same job but we never heard from him! Would Ralph, who is a well respected man in several fields, risk his entire reputation to come here to be a 'yes man'? Of course he wouldn't!
If we haven't replaced and strengthened by the end of the window I all be one of the first to moan, but we will so I wont! I honestly think some would be happy to see us relegated, sold to a fake billionaire and go bust again just so they can say 'told you so'.
Everton manage to do it .
Thanks for boring everyone again les.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: I am at a loss to know what to say its one thing being able to work out what Liebherr was up to once Cortese had gone, and quite another having to come to terms with the sheer destruction that has been the result of Liebherr s betrayal of her father s dream. Any reasonable fan will know we were within striking distance of the top four three or four signings at a cost of perhaps 40 million would have done it for us but even with increased TV money Liebherr was not prepared to back the club. You just cant put any gloss on the situation, I love this club and I am beyond anger at what Liebherr, aided by by those two yes men Reed and Krueger have done. I commend Saints fans generally for the fortitude many are showing in the face of all this, its admirable, really, but the fact remains that Markus Liebherr would not have allowed this to happen. NONE OF IT. You just dont go and buy a football club , invest all of that money and then asset strip the club to the point where even our status as a Premiership club has been put at risk. My only question, and I think it is a valid one, is what on earth was Koeman doing when he signed up to the club, does he know something we do not? Or is some bright spark going to tell me we have even better young players in the academy than those we have let go, all of whom were top internationals? And it is highly likely, Id put money on it, that Schneiderlin and Rodriguez will also go. I can just imagine the atmosphere at Anfield first game of the season when we get slaughtered by our own players. Is Miss Liebherr going to be in attendance , will she even turn up to face the music at St Marys first game of the season? Of course not she would not dare, what kind of future awaits us with an owner like that? And so I put once again the question that has been uppermost in my mind all summer long.. IS THE CLUB BEING SOLD????[/p][/quote]3 or 4 £10-£13mill players away from the top 4? You are serious? You honestly think that a summer spend like that would have been enough to get from 8th to 4th? 3 or 4 £10mill players would have been enough to get us the extra 24pts needed to get in the top 4? To be able to compete with manure, who reportedly have £150-£200mill to spend? To compete and beat mancy, diverpooh, arsenil, spuds, chelski and even Everton? Really 3 or 4 £10mill players? Who are these cheap world class players and what positions do they play in, oh and why would the 'big' teams not be after them? We've signed 2 £10mill ish players, but are being constantly told by some that they are rubbish, are they some of the players we would have needed? Look I want us to get into the top as much as the next person but I realise that we would need to spend £100mill plus, and that still might not be enough! The 'big' teams can afford to have £10mill players on the bench or in the reserves! Look how much they are and have spent on a single player, they can spend £40mill on a single player. Manure with a title winning squad and with a £27mill and a £37mill player, both on £70k+ a week wages, being added only finished 7th, 15pts away from champs league! Yet £40mill would have been enough for us? I'm going to use a phrase that WUM love now, Look its OK dreaming but I'm just being a realist here! £40mill would probably got us one place, maybe two, up the league, but noting the top 4 You seem to forget that we weren't the only team to tetanus increase in TV money. Your attack on KL is nothing short disgraceful, how do you know her intentions or what st Markus would have done? For all we know st Markus might have sold us to the first bidder, probably wouldn't but how can we ever know? The facts just don't add up in this 'asset stripping' lie being peddled by the neggies, there would have been zero investment if all she wanted was as much cash as possible, don't compare our owner to the owners the shower down the road had, they would love that to be true and some have pretended to be saints fans to keep that rubbish going! IS THE CLUB FOR SALE? Why who told you it was? That rumour only started after NC left, KL had been owner of the club for several months prior to that and no one mentioned it! Was reed a 'ted's man for the 4yrs he was working here under NC? No he was doing virtually the same job but we never heard from him! Would Ralph, who is a well respected man in several fields, risk his entire reputation to come here to be a 'yes man'? Of course he wouldn't! If we haven't replaced and strengthened by the end of the window I all be one of the first to moan, but we will so I wont! I honestly think some would be happy to see us relegated, sold to a fake billionaire and go bust again just so they can say 'told you so'.[/p][/quote]Everton manage to do it . Thanks for boring everyone again les. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 5

8:57am Mon 21 Jul 14

Dave Juson says...

echo1948 wrote:
We are witnessing the systematic dismantling of the team purely for financial gain on Katherina,s part. Those of us with long memories will remember a certain Rupert Lowe doing the same thing and we all remember the aftermath of that episode in Saints history.
Yes, we do recall that particular time in history. First of all, nobody in the print or broadcast media has ever accused Rupert Lowe of benefitting personally from the transfer of players out of Southampton; second, his successors ran the club from £4-million in the black into penury in six months.
Get your facts right before you mouth off.
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: We are witnessing the systematic dismantling of the team purely for financial gain on Katherina,s part. Those of us with long memories will remember a certain Rupert Lowe doing the same thing and we all remember the aftermath of that episode in Saints history.[/p][/quote]Yes, we do recall that particular time in history. First of all, nobody in the print or broadcast media has ever accused Rupert Lowe of benefitting personally from the transfer of players out of Southampton; second, his successors ran the club from £4-million in the black into penury in six months. Get your facts right before you mouth off. Dave Juson
  • Score: 2

9:04am Mon 21 Jul 14

LFCalways says...

hedge end bob wrote:
Why so cheap ??, if both parties re so eager too join up with each other, 25 million rolls of the tounge very nicely.
Talk sport was saying only this afternoon , NO ONE is ireplaceable you can always find someone better!!. Just make LIVERHAMPTON pay up BIG. If he goes Saints will still be here to support and he will soon be foregotten.
STID at least we are betteroff than Blackpool.
Because your club has no hope of keeping players and if it turns out to be 16mill , that's would be great business for Liverpool! Saints are in a mess. It's a shame that this is happening, and saints fans deserve better from club!
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Why so cheap ??, if both parties re so eager too join up with each other, 25 million rolls of the tounge very nicely. Talk sport was saying only this afternoon , NO ONE is ireplaceable you can always find someone better!!. Just make LIVERHAMPTON pay up BIG. If he goes Saints will still be here to support and he will soon be foregotten. STID at least we are betteroff than Blackpool.[/p][/quote]Because your club has no hope of keeping players and if it turns out to be 16mill , that's would be great business for Liverpool! Saints are in a mess. It's a shame that this is happening, and saints fans deserve better from club! LFCalways
  • Score: -2

9:09am Mon 21 Jul 14

LFCalways says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Andy Welsh wrote:
I think the point is nobody knows how much Liverpool have previously bid or are bidding now. Saints are obviously happy they have got over market value for him and will make a handsome profit. Personally I would love Vlaar, but whether he would come is dubious. I have been pretty happy with the first two replacements, so will be interesting to see who we get. If we want to strengthen the squad we can expect a few more ins before the season starts, but the fans will need to be patient. These things take time.
We haven't got time,that's the problem.you can't just chuck players together and send them out at anfield.
Why not, isn't that what Liverpool are doing.
Sorry bud we not, we're getting even stronger players who are hungry for every comp, League, CL, FA Cup, other cup...,
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy Welsh[/bold] wrote: I think the point is nobody knows how much Liverpool have previously bid or are bidding now. Saints are obviously happy they have got over market value for him and will make a handsome profit. Personally I would love Vlaar, but whether he would come is dubious. I have been pretty happy with the first two replacements, so will be interesting to see who we get. If we want to strengthen the squad we can expect a few more ins before the season starts, but the fans will need to be patient. These things take time.[/p][/quote]We haven't got time,that's the problem.you can't just chuck players together and send them out at anfield.[/p][/quote]Why not, isn't that what Liverpool are doing.[/p][/quote]Sorry bud we not, we're getting even stronger players who are hungry for every comp, League, CL, FA Cup, other cup..., LFCalways
  • Score: 2

9:09am Mon 21 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

The perennial problem of quality players wanting pastures new will always afflict us as things stand…

..note as things stand, there is however a solution and template to address this that will leave a lasting legacy.

Forgetting world domination for a moment, it is quite simple, enlarge the stadium and fill it with southern kids every game, create a southern tribal loyalty to Southampton.

Southampton is at best a small medium sized club because it has always acted as a small medium sized club..

The Dell crucified our potential since the 60's the reduction in capacity really did for us however nothing compares with building a 32.500 stadium when on our day ( not every game) we like the Villa can fill a mid 44.000 stadium.

We need a temple to passion and local identity this is the only rival to money for homegrown and academy players….

..plus the extra revenue and increasing fan base will increase the wages significantly in time.

Rge Basque region and even Ajax are examples of local identity and punching above their weight….build it, market it, promote it, religionise it if necessary..but a legacy has to start somewhere, what are we waiting for, start it today and the fruits will be evident and permanent within 10 years.
The perennial problem of quality players wanting pastures new will always afflict us as things stand… ..note as things stand, there is however a solution and template to address this that will leave a lasting legacy. Forgetting world domination for a moment, it is quite simple, enlarge the stadium and fill it with southern kids every game, create a southern tribal loyalty to Southampton. Southampton is at best a small medium sized club because it has always acted as a small medium sized club.. The Dell crucified our potential since the 60's the reduction in capacity really did for us however nothing compares with building a 32.500 stadium when on our day ( not every game) we like the Villa can fill a mid 44.000 stadium. We need a temple to passion and local identity this is the only rival to money for homegrown and academy players…. ..plus the extra revenue and increasing fan base will increase the wages significantly in time. Rge Basque region and even Ajax are examples of local identity and punching above their weight….build it, market it, promote it, religionise it if necessary..but a legacy has to start somewhere, what are we waiting for, start it today and the fruits will be evident and permanent within 10 years. warrens 76
  • Score: 3

9:13am Mon 21 Jul 14

LFCalways says...

Southampton boy wrote:
Seem to be a lot of bad blood here look let him go his heart is not with Saints for what ever reason.
I don't understand why these players seem to want to go, they say that there is no plan or the plan has changed.

Is it just money! Or is there something behind all of this? Would like to know
Look at your question why are these players seem to want to go? There you will find the answer as I know you love your club, but something is not right behind your club!
[quote][p][bold]Southampton boy[/bold] wrote: Seem to be a lot of bad blood here look let him go his heart is not with Saints for what ever reason. I don't understand why these players seem to want to go, they say that there is no plan or the plan has changed. Is it just money! Or is there something behind all of this? Would like to know[/p][/quote]Look at your question why are these players seem to want to go? There you will find the answer as I know you love your club, but something is not right behind your club! LFCalways
  • Score: 0

9:15am Mon 21 Jul 14

right back in the bar says...

This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
And so the exodus continues.
Where are all the idiots who said this was all paper talk???
Their heads are probably still buried in the sand.
They refused to believe that a single player would leave and we'd be challenging the top 4 next season.
People like you, me, seed, redandy etc.
saw all this coming and were berated for expressing such negative views.

This was all so obvious from the day Cortese resigned.
...And it ain't over yet.
Count me in chaps I can't stand listening the these mindless zombies who can't see the cold light of day! Never questioning anything! Just endless drivel about Support the club no matter what! There just sheep blindly following and believing whatever there told! I kind of envy them cos ignorance is bliss!!!!!
Not me - if you read/noticed my posts you would have seen I was berating Reed for unbelievable levels of incompetence. However it now seems I was wrong - no one can be that stupid and it is clear that Reed and this Kruger burkleigh hunt are liars and working to a brief. SFC is a cash cow for its owners; Ron is a puppet manager (similar to that other dutch bloke from 6 years ago whose name I cant begin to spell) being asked to make do whilst the board pursue a commercial objective. SFC is imploding and even if there are no more departures you cannot imagine what morale is like right now. We might have one or two who continue to graft and give it all (SD and JWP) maybe, but others (NC, CC, JR, JC, VW, GR) will be looking for the exit. The club is disintegrating, relegation is a very strong likelihood, it is massively depressing, and once again SFC is a laughing stock.
[quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: And so the exodus continues. Where are all the idiots who said this was all paper talk???[/p][/quote]Their heads are probably still buried in the sand. They refused to believe that a single player would leave and we'd be challenging the top 4 next season. People like you, me, seed, redandy etc. saw all this coming and were berated for expressing such negative views. This was all so obvious from the day Cortese resigned. ...And it ain't over yet.[/p][/quote]Count me in chaps I can't stand listening the these mindless zombies who can't see the cold light of day! Never questioning anything! Just endless drivel about Support the club no matter what! There just sheep blindly following and believing whatever there told! I kind of envy them cos ignorance is bliss!!!!![/p][/quote]Not me - if you read/noticed my posts you would have seen I was berating Reed for unbelievable levels of incompetence. However it now seems I was wrong - no one can be that stupid and it is clear that Reed and this Kruger burkleigh hunt are liars and working to a brief. SFC is a cash cow for its owners; Ron is a puppet manager (similar to that other dutch bloke from 6 years ago whose name I cant begin to spell) being asked to make do whilst the board pursue a commercial objective. SFC is imploding and even if there are no more departures you cannot imagine what morale is like right now. We might have one or two who continue to graft and give it all (SD and JWP) maybe, but others (NC, CC, JR, JC, VW, GR) will be looking for the exit. The club is disintegrating, relegation is a very strong likelihood, it is massively depressing, and once again SFC is a laughing stock. right back in the bar
  • Score: -2

9:16am Mon 21 Jul 14

LFCalways says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
SFC1984 wrote:
Surely the FA should be looking at the way all these moves are happening between liverpool and saints !! One player moves ok two move to the same club possibly but 3 surely got to be something wrong!! Tapping up?? Agents??
They obviously prefer LIVERPOOL FC and see a move there as taking their careers to a higher level, so who can blame them. They have ambition and obviously think that Saint's don't.
Players move for a bigger pay packets, they have no loyalty to a football club like the fans who pay to watch them every week. I think Liverpool are panic buying and a lot of the players will be found wanting in the champions league.
No not panic buying, just your thinking as a saints fan! It's called getting stronger to compete in every comp....League, CL, FA Cup and other cup and want hungry players!
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFC1984[/bold] wrote: Surely the FA should be looking at the way all these moves are happening between liverpool and saints !! One player moves ok two move to the same club possibly but 3 surely got to be something wrong!! Tapping up?? Agents??[/p][/quote]They obviously prefer LIVERPOOL FC and see a move there as taking their careers to a higher level, so who can blame them. They have ambition and obviously think that Saint's don't.[/p][/quote]Players move for a bigger pay packets, they have no loyalty to a football club like the fans who pay to watch them every week. I think Liverpool are panic buying and a lot of the players will be found wanting in the champions league.[/p][/quote]No not panic buying, just your thinking as a saints fan! It's called getting stronger to compete in every comp....League, CL, FA Cup and other cup and want hungry players! LFCalways
  • Score: -6

9:22am Mon 21 Jul 14

This is Southampton and we are the Saints says...

Invidia wrote:
"Oh well, perhaps one day we will find out who is shooting us down"

Osprey, not unless you ask questions...........

......you will never know
Yes Osprey how dose that blue pill taste?
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: "Oh well, perhaps one day we will find out who is shooting us down" Osprey, not unless you ask questions........... ......you will never know[/p][/quote]Yes Osprey how dose that blue pill taste? This is Southampton and we are the Saints
  • Score: -3

9:38am Mon 21 Jul 14

LFCalways says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Because of your board...it's a no brainier! The vibes and ambition levels have gone = selling players/players leaving! It's one thing building improvements to your ground, but another keeping your team together as 1, when the board goes against all of this.
Your board has never said " No player is for sale" and stick to it..,all they say is "unless it to our valuation = selling players" it will be same old same old and you deserve better!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Because of your board...it's a no brainier! The vibes and ambition levels have gone = selling players/players leaving! It's one thing building improvements to your ground, but another keeping your team together as 1, when the board goes against all of this. Your board has never said " No player is for sale" and stick to it..,all they say is "unless it to our valuation = selling players" it will be same old same old and you deserve better! LFCalways
  • Score: 0

9:42am Mon 21 Jul 14

right back in the bar says...

warrens 76 wrote:
The perennial problem of quality players wanting pastures new will always afflict us as things stand…

..note as things stand, there is however a solution and template to address this that will leave a lasting legacy.

Forgetting world domination for a moment, it is quite simple, enlarge the stadium and fill it with southern kids every game, create a southern tribal loyalty to Southampton.

Southampton is at best a small medium sized club because it has always acted as a small medium sized club..

The Dell crucified our potential since the 60's the reduction in capacity really did for us however nothing compares with building a 32.500 stadium when on our day ( not every game) we like the Villa can fill a mid 44.000 stadium.

We need a temple to passion and local identity this is the only rival to money for homegrown and academy players….

..plus the extra revenue and increasing fan base will increase the wages significantly in time.

Rge Basque region and even Ajax are examples of local identity and punching above their weight….build it, market it, promote it, religionise it if necessary..but a legacy has to start somewhere, what are we waiting for, start it today and the fruits will be evident and permanent within 10 years.
Outstanding post. Athletic Bilbao is the model we should aspire to. But its the chicken and egg- whilst SFC were poised to take a huge step forward that would justify investment in a bigger stadium, what is happening now with the systematic dismantling of a successful side makes it seem very unlikely. Whereas last season we were winning admirers everywhere we went, this season will be a struggle and for the neutrals that will be business as usual for SFC - the local youngster you talk about will join rest in 'supporting' Chelsea, Liverpool, Man U
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: The perennial problem of quality players wanting pastures new will always afflict us as things stand… ..note as things stand, there is however a solution and template to address this that will leave a lasting legacy. Forgetting world domination for a moment, it is quite simple, enlarge the stadium and fill it with southern kids every game, create a southern tribal loyalty to Southampton. Southampton is at best a small medium sized club because it has always acted as a small medium sized club.. The Dell crucified our potential since the 60's the reduction in capacity really did for us however nothing compares with building a 32.500 stadium when on our day ( not every game) we like the Villa can fill a mid 44.000 stadium. We need a temple to passion and local identity this is the only rival to money for homegrown and academy players…. ..plus the extra revenue and increasing fan base will increase the wages significantly in time. Rge Basque region and even Ajax are examples of local identity and punching above their weight….build it, market it, promote it, religionise it if necessary..but a legacy has to start somewhere, what are we waiting for, start it today and the fruits will be evident and permanent within 10 years.[/p][/quote]Outstanding post. Athletic Bilbao is the model we should aspire to. But its the chicken and egg- whilst SFC were poised to take a huge step forward that would justify investment in a bigger stadium, what is happening now with the systematic dismantling of a successful side makes it seem very unlikely. Whereas last season we were winning admirers everywhere we went, this season will be a struggle and for the neutrals that will be business as usual for SFC - the local youngster you talk about will join rest in 'supporting' Chelsea, Liverpool, Man U right back in the bar
  • Score: 4

9:42am Mon 21 Jul 14

saintbobby says...

saintgibbo wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Forgive my ignorance, but whats a WUM?
Wind up merchant. Had to Google it myself last season.
Gee, thanks for this. I didn't like to ask!!!
[quote][p][bold]saintgibbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but whats a WUM?[/p][/quote]Wind up merchant. Had to Google it myself last season.[/p][/quote]Gee, thanks for this. I didn't like to ask!!! saintbobby
  • Score: 1

9:45am Mon 21 Jul 14

LFCalways says...

jasons odd wrote:
Lovren was one of the leagues best players and will be impossible to replace .

Im sure Koeman will replace him with some cheap import from the dutch league .

What must schneiderlin ,clyne and rodriguez be thinking now ?
Yep they will be off to...... Sorry the vibes are there and you fans deserve better than your board are giving you!
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: Lovren was one of the leagues best players and will be impossible to replace . Im sure Koeman will replace him with some cheap import from the dutch league . What must schneiderlin ,clyne and rodriguez be thinking now ?[/p][/quote]Yep they will be off to...... Sorry the vibes are there and you fans deserve better than your board are giving you! LFCalways
  • Score: -1

9:52am Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
Invidia wrote:
"Oh well, perhaps one day we will find out who is shooting us down"

Osprey, not unless you ask questions...........


......you will never know
Yes Osprey how dose that blue pill taste?
Try again, that made no sense.
[quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: "Oh well, perhaps one day we will find out who is shooting us down" Osprey, not unless you ask questions........... ......you will never know[/p][/quote]Yes Osprey how dose that blue pill taste?[/p][/quote]Try again, that made no sense. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

9:53am Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

LFCalways wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Andy Welsh wrote:
I think the point is nobody knows how much Liverpool have previously bid or are bidding now. Saints are obviously happy they have got over market value for him and will make a handsome profit. Personally I would love Vlaar, but whether he would come is dubious. I have been pretty happy with the first two replacements, so will be interesting to see who we get. If we want to strengthen the squad we can expect a few more ins before the season starts, but the fans will need to be patient. These things take time.
We haven't got time,that's the problem.you can't just chuck players together and send them out at anfield.
Why not, isn't that what Liverpool are doing.
Sorry bud we not, we're getting even stronger players who are hungry for every comp, League, CL, FA Cup, other cup...,
What happens to the ones that are being knocked down the pecking order?
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy Welsh[/bold] wrote: I think the point is nobody knows how much Liverpool have previously bid or are bidding now. Saints are obviously happy they have got over market value for him and will make a handsome profit. Personally I would love Vlaar, but whether he would come is dubious. I have been pretty happy with the first two replacements, so will be interesting to see who we get. If we want to strengthen the squad we can expect a few more ins before the season starts, but the fans will need to be patient. These things take time.[/p][/quote]We haven't got time,that's the problem.you can't just chuck players together and send them out at anfield.[/p][/quote]Why not, isn't that what Liverpool are doing.[/p][/quote]Sorry bud we not, we're getting even stronger players who are hungry for every comp, League, CL, FA Cup, other cup...,[/p][/quote]What happens to the ones that are being knocked down the pecking order? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

9:59am Mon 21 Jul 14

LFCalways says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
LFCalways wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Andy Welsh wrote:
I think the point is nobody knows how much Liverpool have previously bid or are bidding now. Saints are obviously happy they have got over market value for him and will make a handsome profit. Personally I would love Vlaar, but whether he would come is dubious. I have been pretty happy with the first two replacements, so will be interesting to see who we get. If we want to strengthen the squad we can expect a few more ins before the season starts, but the fans will need to be patient. These things take time.
We haven't got time,that's the problem.you can't just chuck players together and send them out at anfield.
Why not, isn't that what Liverpool are doing.
Sorry bud we not, we're getting even stronger players who are hungry for every comp, League, CL, FA Cup, other cup...,
What happens to the ones that are being knocked down the pecking order?
It's called squad rotation like City did last season between League and CL/cups games to keep everyone fresh, but I do expect 2 or 3 to go else where who are only bit part players!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy Welsh[/bold] wrote: I think the point is nobody knows how much Liverpool have previously bid or are bidding now. Saints are obviously happy they have got over market value for him and will make a handsome profit. Personally I would love Vlaar, but whether he would come is dubious. I have been pretty happy with the first two replacements, so will be interesting to see who we get. If we want to strengthen the squad we can expect a few more ins before the season starts, but the fans will need to be patient. These things take time.[/p][/quote]We haven't got time,that's the problem.you can't just chuck players together and send them out at anfield.[/p][/quote]Why not, isn't that what Liverpool are doing.[/p][/quote]Sorry bud we not, we're getting even stronger players who are hungry for every comp, League, CL, FA Cup, other cup...,[/p][/quote]What happens to the ones that are being knocked down the pecking order?[/p][/quote]It's called squad rotation like City did last season between League and CL/cups games to keep everyone fresh, but I do expect 2 or 3 to go else where who are only bit part players! LFCalways
  • Score: 0

10:01am Mon 21 Jul 14

TGodSFC says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
Anyone know anything more about Jrod turning down the new contract??
If it is a fact, you know more about it than most.
It's not fact, just heard it through the grapevine. I really hope it’s not true. We are slowly being dismantled, spider to spurs reports are now. If we lose Spider and Jrod, its game over! Would be nice to see some players coming in not move going out.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: Anyone know anything more about Jrod turning down the new contract??[/p][/quote]If it is a fact, you know more about it than most.[/p][/quote]It's not fact, just heard it through the grapevine. I really hope it’s not true. We are slowly being dismantled, spider to spurs reports are now. If we lose Spider and Jrod, its game over! Would be nice to see some players coming in not move going out. TGodSFC
  • Score: 2

10:02am Mon 21 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

I see my little wum stalker cant help but to respond to my posts, his wumming has got to such a level that he cant remember who he is calling les reed! yesterday it was osprey today its me. we cant both be the same bloke. unlike my little stalker who has multiple logins on this site, the words and style used give it away.
well my little wummy friend if my posts bore you then don't read or respond to them, there simple isn't it, I know you wont because you are just after the attention. im sorry if opinion based on facts and figures bore you but much rather that than the mindless drivel you constantly churn out! why, when you take the time to respond, do you not bother to try and answer the most simple and basic of questions? simple answer is that you don't want to because that would mean research and looking at facts and wumming away like you do you have no interest in that! now run along and play with the other children!
I see my little wum stalker cant help but to respond to my posts, his wumming has got to such a level that he cant remember who he is calling les reed! yesterday it was osprey today its me. we cant both be the same bloke. unlike my little stalker who has multiple logins on this site, the words and style used give it away. well my little wummy friend if my posts bore you then don't read or respond to them, there simple isn't it, I know you wont because you are just after the attention. im sorry if opinion based on facts and figures bore you but much rather that than the mindless drivel you constantly churn out! why, when you take the time to respond, do you not bother to try and answer the most simple and basic of questions? simple answer is that you don't want to because that would mean research and looking at facts and wumming away like you do you have no interest in that! now run along and play with the other children! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -6

10:04am Mon 21 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

Happy Mondays !!....:o(
Got my new season ticket at the weekend.....:o(
Bournemouth away on Friday.....:o)....Go
nna get **** as a ****!...:o)
Happy Mondays !!....:o( Got my new season ticket at the weekend.....:o( Bournemouth away on Friday.....:o)....Go nna get **** as a ****!...:o) J7junctionseven
  • Score: 1

10:05am Mon 21 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

...Pi$$ed as F@rt!!
...Pi$$ed as F@rt!! J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

10:06am Mon 21 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

...Pi$$ed as a F@rt....even...:o)
...Pi$$ed as a F@rt....even...:o) J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

10:08am Mon 21 Jul 14

Jesus_02 says...

warrens 76 wrote:
The perennial problem of quality players wanting pastures new will always afflict us as things stand… ..note as things stand, there is however a solution and template to address this that will leave a lasting legacy. Forgetting world domination for a moment, it is quite simple, enlarge the stadium and fill it with southern kids every game, create a southern tribal loyalty to Southampton. Southampton is at best a small medium sized club because it has always acted as a small medium sized club.. The Dell crucified our potential since the 60's the reduction in capacity really did for us however nothing compares with building a 32.500 stadium when on our day ( not every game) we like the Villa can fill a mid 44.000 stadium. We need a temple to passion and local identity this is the only rival to money for homegrown and academy players…. ..plus the extra revenue and increasing fan base will increase the wages significantly in time. Rge Basque region and even Ajax are examples of local identity and punching above their weight….build it, market it, promote it, religionise it if necessary..but a legacy has to start somewhere, what are we waiting for, start it today and the fruits will be evident and permanent within 10 years.
That is why Lallana to Liverpool was such a bitter blow, it was the tipping point in my view. A Southern lad, our captain, he was at saints since he was a nipper and an England International.

It is irrelevant if Duscan Tadic is a better player.

It will also be irrelevant if Targett is better than Shaw. We now know he will go if he is.

I support Saints, I’m not expecting world domination, I would like a bit of self respect though. Yeah, Lovren cost 8m but we spent more on Osvaldo and it came to nothing. Lovren has contract. Stop him from going. Don’t give him a squad number if necessary. Just make the point that no one player is bigger than the club and our credibility is worth more than 16m
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: The perennial problem of quality players wanting pastures new will always afflict us as things stand… ..note as things stand, there is however a solution and template to address this that will leave a lasting legacy. Forgetting world domination for a moment, it is quite simple, enlarge the stadium and fill it with southern kids every game, create a southern tribal loyalty to Southampton. Southampton is at best a small medium sized club because it has always acted as a small medium sized club.. The Dell crucified our potential since the 60's the reduction in capacity really did for us however nothing compares with building a 32.500 stadium when on our day ( not every game) we like the Villa can fill a mid 44.000 stadium. We need a temple to passion and local identity this is the only rival to money for homegrown and academy players…. ..plus the extra revenue and increasing fan base will increase the wages significantly in time. Rge Basque region and even Ajax are examples of local identity and punching above their weight….build it, market it, promote it, religionise it if necessary..but a legacy has to start somewhere, what are we waiting for, start it today and the fruits will be evident and permanent within 10 years.[/p][/quote]That is why Lallana to Liverpool was such a bitter blow, it was the tipping point in my view. A Southern lad, our captain, he was at saints since he was a nipper and an England International. It is irrelevant if Duscan Tadic is a better player. It will also be irrelevant if Targett is better than Shaw. We now know he will go if he is. I support Saints, I’m not expecting world domination, I would like a bit of self respect though. Yeah, Lovren cost 8m but we spent more on Osvaldo and it came to nothing. Lovren has contract. Stop him from going. Don’t give him a squad number if necessary. Just make the point that no one player is bigger than the club and our credibility is worth more than 16m Jesus_02
  • Score: 6

10:13am Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

saintbobby wrote:
saintgibbo wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Forgive my ignorance, but whats a WUM?
Wind up merchant. Had to Google it myself last season.
Gee, thanks for this. I didn't like to ask!!!
There are various classes of poster on here, I am not too happy to label them as it then becomes a form of discrimination, no matter.
WUMs (Wind Up Mercants) are posters that take delight in posting selective facts knowing that taken out of context, they will upset decent people, if they find that they have succeeded and get a response, that's attention seeking. They then become trolls, who continue to perpetuate and repeat the nuisance, sometimes picking on an individual in which case they become a stalker. Then there are neggies, who post messages of gloom and doom predicting mayhem and chaos just to upset the happy clappers, they are often accurate so are not actually doing anything illegal. Happy clappers are people that always seek the positives, even when there are none, head in the sand is often used, but not strictly true, obstinate and stubborn is a better way to describe them.
Then there are skates, not extinct, but mostly dormant as they have enough of their own problems.
Then there are spammers, who are a total waste of space.
My on real gripe about neggies is that they are strictly 2 dimensional, they have identified the problems, they say who they think is to blame, frequently wrong of course, but not one of them has ever offered a solution. That is where there cleverness fails miserably. I would have more respect if they could come up with the answer.
Finally and the rarest of all are the sensibles, they say little but what they do say is worth listening to.
Oh! and there is Confuscious but that is another story.
Me? I am a happy clapper first and a tease second, most of all a loyal Saints fan, come what may.
KEEP CALM and support SOUTHAMPTON FC.
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintgibbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but whats a WUM?[/p][/quote]Wind up merchant. Had to Google it myself last season.[/p][/quote]Gee, thanks for this. I didn't like to ask!!![/p][/quote]There are various classes of poster on here, I am not too happy to label them as it then becomes a form of discrimination, no matter. WUMs (Wind Up Mercants) are posters that take delight in posting selective facts knowing that taken out of context, they will upset decent people, if they find that they have succeeded and get a response, that's attention seeking. They then become trolls, who continue to perpetuate and repeat the nuisance, sometimes picking on an individual in which case they become a stalker. Then there are neggies, who post messages of gloom and doom predicting mayhem and chaos just to upset the happy clappers, they are often accurate so are not actually doing anything illegal. Happy clappers are people that always seek the positives, even when there are none, head in the sand is often used, but not strictly true, obstinate and stubborn is a better way to describe them. Then there are skates, not extinct, but mostly dormant as they have enough of their own problems. Then there are spammers, who are a total waste of space. My on real gripe about neggies is that they are strictly 2 dimensional, they have identified the problems, they say who they think is to blame, frequently wrong of course, but not one of them has ever offered a solution. That is where there cleverness fails miserably. I would have more respect if they could come up with the answer. Finally and the rarest of all are the sensibles, they say little but what they do say is worth listening to. Oh! and there is Confuscious but that is another story. Me? I am a happy clapper first and a tease second, most of all a loyal Saints fan, come what may. KEEP CALM and support SOUTHAMPTON FC. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

10:25am Mon 21 Jul 14

Dan Howard says...

Dave Juson wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
We are witnessing the systematic dismantling of the team purely for financial gain on Katherina,s part. Those of us with long memories will remember a certain Rupert Lowe doing the same thing and we all remember the aftermath of that episode in Saints history.
Yes, we do recall that particular time in history. First of all, nobody in the print or broadcast media has ever accused Rupert Lowe of benefitting personally from the transfer of players out of Southampton; second, his successors ran the club from £4-million in the black into penury in six months.
Get your facts right before you mouth off.
Agreed

In the 18 month when Rupert was NOT a Director before rejoining, the club earned £38M and spent £54M.

No great lover of Rupert but facts are facts.

Don't buy the theory that Katherina is asset stripping.

I don't see how you would make the club more saleable by selling your best players and diminishing its value.

More likely its a case of Koeman saying, "if they want to go let them. I can get just as good for half the price and rebuild."

I expect Nicola told Poch that he had unlimited backing from Katherina for a run at the Champions League and Poch sold that to his players.

Shame nobody asked Katherina if she wanted to hurl millions of her fortune at Nicola.

That's the long and short of it I believe.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: We are witnessing the systematic dismantling of the team purely for financial gain on Katherina,s part. Those of us with long memories will remember a certain Rupert Lowe doing the same thing and we all remember the aftermath of that episode in Saints history.[/p][/quote]Yes, we do recall that particular time in history. First of all, nobody in the print or broadcast media has ever accused Rupert Lowe of benefitting personally from the transfer of players out of Southampton; second, his successors ran the club from £4-million in the black into penury in six months. Get your facts right before you mouth off.[/p][/quote]Agreed In the 18 month when Rupert was NOT a Director before rejoining, the club earned £38M and spent £54M. No great lover of Rupert but facts are facts. Don't buy the theory that Katherina is asset stripping. I don't see how you would make the club more saleable by selling your best players and diminishing its value. More likely its a case of Koeman saying, "if they want to go let them. I can get just as good for half the price and rebuild." I expect Nicola told Poch that he had unlimited backing from Katherina for a run at the Champions League and Poch sold that to his players. Shame nobody asked Katherina if she wanted to hurl millions of her fortune at Nicola. That's the long and short of it I believe. Dan Howard
  • Score: 6

10:25am Mon 21 Jul 14

SaintAsh1964 says...

Still cant believe the Press & donuts on here are saying JRod will go, how is he going to pass a medical?, Walcott had the same injury in January and wont be back until Sept, JRod wont even attempt to kick a ball until then and will be out until November/December, so he'll probably go in January!
Keep the faith everybody,stay calm and trust the people in charge(although difficult at the moment).To be honest I was disappointed in AL going and will be the same for Spider, Shaw & SRL I'm not that bothered about, and Loveren can go hang as far as I'm concerned, but we do need to get some quality signings in at LB and at least 2 central defenders, another attacking MF & another striker would do me.
COYS
Still cant believe the Press & donuts on here are saying JRod will go, how is he going to pass a medical?, Walcott had the same injury in January and wont be back until Sept, JRod wont even attempt to kick a ball until then and will be out until November/December, so he'll probably go in January! Keep the faith everybody,stay calm and trust the people in charge(although difficult at the moment).To be honest I was disappointed in AL going and will be the same for Spider, Shaw & SRL I'm not that bothered about, and Loveren can go hang as far as I'm concerned, but we do need to get some quality signings in at LB and at least 2 central defenders, another attacking MF & another striker would do me. COYS SaintAsh1964
  • Score: 3

10:31am Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

TGodSFC wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
Anyone know anything more about Jrod turning down the new contract??
If it is a fact, you know more about it than most.
It's not fact, just heard it through the grapevine. I really hope it’s not true. We are slowly being dismantled, spider to spurs reports are now. If we lose Spider and Jrod, its game over! Would be nice to see some players coming in not move going out.
You should pay more attention to facts, the grapevine has a very poor record of accuracy, purely because the contributors often know less about things than the people they are preaching to.
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: Anyone know anything more about Jrod turning down the new contract??[/p][/quote]If it is a fact, you know more about it than most.[/p][/quote]It's not fact, just heard it through the grapevine. I really hope it’s not true. We are slowly being dismantled, spider to spurs reports are now. If we lose Spider and Jrod, its game over! Would be nice to see some players coming in not move going out.[/p][/quote]You should pay more attention to facts, the grapevine has a very poor record of accuracy, purely because the contributors often know less about things than the people they are preaching to. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

10:32am Mon 21 Jul 14

scorpioeyes says...

gorgonorto wrote:
Still think this will be a great season! These are my predictions:

1- Chelsea
2- Man City
3- Arsenal
4-Man United
5-Everton
6-SOUTHAMPTON
7-Scummy Spurs
8-Liverhampton
9-Stoke
10-Sunderland
11-Crystal Palace
12-West Ham
13-Newpardew
14-Hull City
15-Swansea
16-Aston Villa
17-QPR
18-West Brom
19-Leicester City
20-Burley
you gotta be joking! we are set for a relegation battle,for sure
[quote][p][bold]gorgonorto[/bold] wrote: Still think this will be a great season! These are my predictions: 1- Chelsea 2- Man City 3- Arsenal 4-Man United 5-Everton 6-SOUTHAMPTON 7-Scummy Spurs 8-Liverhampton 9-Stoke 10-Sunderland 11-Crystal Palace 12-West Ham 13-Newpardew 14-Hull City 15-Swansea 16-Aston Villa 17-QPR 18-West Brom 19-Leicester City 20-Burley[/p][/quote]you gotta be joking! we are set for a relegation battle,for sure scorpioeyes
  • Score: 4

10:33am Mon 21 Jul 14

ecuk268 says...

hedge end bob wrote:
What is a true supporter?
I have renewed my season ticket for this year, am i a true supporter ??
I read and write on this site , does that make me a true supporter ???
I do not agree with everyones opion, does that make me a true supporter????
FFS i will not be able to sleep tonight if i am not a true supporter.
If i promise to attend more away games than i did last season, would that make me a true supporter?????
If i buy a new home and away SHIRT , will i be a true supporter then??????
Or do i just simply go along with a few of the posters and the garbage they write about our club without knowing what happens behind locked doors, would i really really be A TRUE SUPPORTER THEN???????

If the club was going to be sold surely the time to rake the money in would be BEFORE the players started leaving ?????
But then i don't even know if i am a true supporter or not ????????
STID.
Were you born within sight of the Dell?
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: What is a true supporter? I have renewed my season ticket for this year, am i a true supporter ?? I read and write on this site , does that make me a true supporter ??? I do not agree with everyones opion, does that make me a true supporter???? FFS i will not be able to sleep tonight if i am not a true supporter. If i promise to attend more away games than i did last season, would that make me a true supporter????? If i buy a new home and away SHIRT , will i be a true supporter then?????? Or do i just simply go along with a few of the posters and the garbage they write about our club without knowing what happens behind locked doors, would i really really be A TRUE SUPPORTER THEN??????? If the club was going to be sold surely the time to rake the money in would be BEFORE the players started leaving ????? But then i don't even know if i am a true supporter or not ???????? STID.[/p][/quote]Were you born within sight of the Dell? ecuk268
  • Score: -1

10:35am Mon 21 Jul 14

mrtein says...

I am told from a good source that the fee is £20m up front with £5m add ons for things such as champions league apps etc.
I am told from a good source that the fee is £20m up front with £5m add ons for things such as champions league apps etc. mrtein
  • Score: 1

10:38am Mon 21 Jul 14

Malcombe says...

LFCalways

Please shut up you are boring the pants off of everybody, you are the number one WUM that also begins with a B, what the hell do you get out of spilling your bile on the Saints Site, why don't you go on LFC Site you stupid undesirable tow rag and wind up the LFC Supporters and spout out your negative opinions of your so called Club or have you already had your name blocked? I intend to attempt to get you blocked and your comments you are very nasty and immature and worse than Gutter Press you must love to be hated.
I never go on any other Club Site but that's me as they are of no interest to me, I cannot predict the score for the first game for Southampton FC at Liverpool but I sincerely hope Saints get 3 points like they did last season with one of the worst goals ever scored and will I gloat like thousands of us including the neutrals, for goodness sake be sensible even if you can't resist posting and you can't be blocked, learn to be diplomatic not down right ignorant and stupid, you are not doing yourself any favours but you get up many honest Southampton Supporters noses including mine and that's only if I see your post name, I do not read your rubbish I only read the response to your nonsense, for goodness sake give it break not a short one as long as you live, us true Saints Supporters can live without your horrible bile as long as we live why don't you try and stop to think the same and Support your Team from the Armchair like you always have it will be so much nicer without you honestly take my word.
LFCalways Please shut up you are boring the pants off of everybody, you are the number one WUM that also begins with a B, what the hell do you get out of spilling your bile on the Saints Site, why don't you go on LFC Site you stupid undesirable tow rag and wind up the LFC Supporters and spout out your negative opinions of your so called Club or have you already had your name blocked? I intend to attempt to get you blocked and your comments you are very nasty and immature and worse than Gutter Press you must love to be hated. I never go on any other Club Site but that's me as they are of no interest to me, I cannot predict the score for the first game for Southampton FC at Liverpool but I sincerely hope Saints get 3 points like they did last season with one of the worst goals ever scored and will I gloat like thousands of us including the neutrals, for goodness sake be sensible even if you can't resist posting and you can't be blocked, learn to be diplomatic not down right ignorant and stupid, you are not doing yourself any favours but you get up many honest Southampton Supporters noses including mine and that's only if I see your post name, I do not read your rubbish I only read the response to your nonsense, for goodness sake give it break not a short one as long as you live, us true Saints Supporters can live without your horrible bile as long as we live why don't you try and stop to think the same and Support your Team from the Armchair like you always have it will be so much nicer without you honestly take my word. Malcombe
  • Score: -2

10:40am Mon 21 Jul 14

Les Miserables says...

montecristosaint wrote:
Andy Welsh you need to wake up. I seriously question whether there will be any ins as you put it, and certainly not of the quality that we have let go. The club has been systematically raped by Liebherr , there is no real commitment there and i am willing to bet the club will be sold this summer.
You are either a spamming skate or just clueless! The two "ins" already are both top quality players who promise to be at the very least as good as SRL and Judas Lallana. The manager has a bigger transfer pot available to him that any Saints manager has ever had and unlike some of his predecessors he has the profile to attract top players.
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: Andy Welsh you need to wake up. I seriously question whether there will be any ins as you put it, and certainly not of the quality that we have let go. The club has been systematically raped by Liebherr , there is no real commitment there and i am willing to bet the club will be sold this summer.[/p][/quote]You are either a spamming skate or just clueless! The two "ins" already are both top quality players who promise to be at the very least as good as SRL and Judas Lallana. The manager has a bigger transfer pot available to him that any Saints manager has ever had and unlike some of his predecessors he has the profile to attract top players. Les Miserables
  • Score: -3

10:41am Mon 21 Jul 14

Redslo says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Newcastle lost their best player in January. Everton is under pressure to sell their two best young players. No one else is worth dismantling. Cardiff can't be too happy though.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Newcastle lost their best player in January. Everton is under pressure to sell their two best young players. No one else is worth dismantling. Cardiff can't be too happy though. Redslo
  • Score: 4

10:47am Mon 21 Jul 14

Les Miserables says...

thesaint88 wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Have cork and fonte been offered new deals? This turning into a pantomime.a club reacting rather than be proactive.we have now placed ourselves in an extremely weak bargaining position for future transfers.why sell him now? Why not wait until WE have brought in his replacement? Weak board.mark my words Morgan is next.
Daily mail are reporting spider wants to join spurs with um, so sorry forgot the rpicks name. This is defo looking really bad at this rate I am going to have to get my boots on again
The Daily Fail have done nothing but publish negative reports about Saints and attempt to sell our players ever since NC left the club.
They appear to have a clear agenda to create unrest among the supporters (at least those dumb enough to fall for the sort of imaginative reporting previously only seen in comics like the Daily Sport and of course the Sun) and to attempt to destabilize the club.
[quote][p][bold]thesaint88[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Have cork and fonte been offered new deals? This turning into a pantomime.a club reacting rather than be proactive.we have now placed ourselves in an extremely weak bargaining position for future transfers.why sell him now? Why not wait until WE have brought in his replacement? Weak board.mark my words Morgan is next.[/p][/quote]Daily mail are reporting spider wants to join spurs with um, so sorry forgot the rpicks name. This is defo looking really bad at this rate I am going to have to get my boots on again[/p][/quote]The Daily Fail have done nothing but publish negative reports about Saints and attempt to sell our players ever since NC left the club. They appear to have a clear agenda to create unrest among the supporters (at least those dumb enough to fall for the sort of imaginative reporting previously only seen in comics like the Daily Sport and of course the Sun) and to attempt to destabilize the club. Les Miserables
  • Score: -5

10:56am Mon 21 Jul 14

TGodSFC says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
Anyone know anything more about Jrod turning down the new contract??
If it is a fact, you know more about it than most.
It's not fact, just heard it through the grapevine. I really hope it’s not true. We are slowly being dismantled, spider to spurs reports are now. If we lose Spider and Jrod, its game over! Would be nice to see some players coming in not move going out.
You should pay more attention to facts, the grapevine has a very poor record of accuracy, purely because the contributors often know less about things than the people they are preaching to.
I do try to stay with facts, just most things this summer that the grapevine has wispered, ended up being true. Was in a really good mood for a moday morning, then get to work and find out about all this. Be nice if by friday we have a new CB and GK.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: Anyone know anything more about Jrod turning down the new contract??[/p][/quote]If it is a fact, you know more about it than most.[/p][/quote]It's not fact, just heard it through the grapevine. I really hope it’s not true. We are slowly being dismantled, spider to spurs reports are now. If we lose Spider and Jrod, its game over! Would be nice to see some players coming in not move going out.[/p][/quote]You should pay more attention to facts, the grapevine has a very poor record of accuracy, purely because the contributors often know less about things than the people they are preaching to.[/p][/quote]I do try to stay with facts, just most things this summer that the grapevine has wispered, ended up being true. Was in a really good mood for a moday morning, then get to work and find out about all this. Be nice if by friday we have a new CB and GK. TGodSFC
  • Score: 2

11:05am Mon 21 Jul 14

deepheat says...

Lovren only played 31 games for Saints and he didn't really do anything of note at the World Cup. Not all the players who are leaving Southampton will be a success, I think Luke Shaw has the best chance. With the rebuilding of the team I am expecting a hard fought season, maybe mid table with the hope of better success the following season.

As for Brenda at Liverpoooh, just look at the players that were good at their previous clubs but he turnred them into flops. Fabio Borini, Joe Allen, Luis Alberto, Iago Aspas, Oussama Assaidi and Nuri Sahin ( Who told the press: "thank God I have left Brendan Rodgers." ). That's over £43m worth of players that Brenda managed to turn into flops. I can never see Brenda being offered a job at Barcelona, Real Madrid or Bayern Munich. Ronald Koeman on the other hand (after a few successful season's with Saints) would have no problem.
Lovren only played 31 games for Saints and he didn't really do anything of note at the World Cup. Not all the players who are leaving Southampton will be a success, I think Luke Shaw has the best chance. With the rebuilding of the team I am expecting a hard fought season, maybe mid table with the hope of better success the following season. As for Brenda at Liverpoooh, just look at the players that were good at their previous clubs but he turnred them into flops. Fabio Borini, Joe Allen, Luis Alberto, Iago Aspas, Oussama Assaidi and Nuri Sahin ( Who told the press: "thank God I have left Brendan Rodgers." ). That's over £43m worth of players that Brenda managed to turn into flops. I can never see Brenda being offered a job at Barcelona, Real Madrid or Bayern Munich. Ronald Koeman on the other hand (after a few successful season's with Saints) would have no problem. deepheat
  • Score: 16

11:07am Mon 21 Jul 14

Invidia says...

saintbobby wrote:
saintgibbo wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Forgive my ignorance, but whats a WUM?
Wind up merchant. Had to Google it myself last season.
Gee, thanks for this. I didn't like to ask!!!
I put this on the other site by mistake!

Somebody asked what a WUM meant apparently it means wind up merchant and to think I always thought it was the England managers tipple it is said that he drinks it with coke.
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintgibbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but whats a WUM?[/p][/quote]Wind up merchant. Had to Google it myself last season.[/p][/quote]Gee, thanks for this. I didn't like to ask!!![/p][/quote]I put this on the other site by mistake! Somebody asked what a WUM meant apparently it means wind up merchant and to think I always thought it was the England managers tipple it is said that he drinks it with coke. Invidia
  • Score: 5

11:10am Mon 21 Jul 14

bbb001 says...

I think now would be a good time for Les Reid to explain exactly what the plan is, because we must have one. Didnt Les say " no players will be leaving the club unless the club want them to go" Mmmmmmm seems like the club wanted them to go then. What a complete waste of space he is. Its time to man up and tell us the truth before we start the campaign with the youth team.
I think now would be a good time for Les Reid to explain exactly what the plan is, because we must have one. Didnt Les say " no players will be leaving the club unless the club want them to go" Mmmmmmm seems like the club wanted them to go then. What a complete waste of space he is. Its time to man up and tell us the truth before we start the campaign with the youth team. bbb001
  • Score: 7

11:16am Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Redslo wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
Newcastle lost their best player in January. Everton is under pressure to sell their two best young players. No one else is worth dismantling. Cardiff can't be too happy though.
Swansea have been taking a few hits too in case it has gone unoticed
[quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]Newcastle lost their best player in January. Everton is under pressure to sell their two best young players. No one else is worth dismantling. Cardiff can't be too happy though.[/p][/quote]Swansea have been taking a few hits too in case it has gone unoticed OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

11:19am Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

ecuk268 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
What is a true supporter?
I have renewed my season ticket for this year, am i a true supporter ??
I read and write on this site , does that make me a true supporter ???
I do not agree with everyones opion, does that make me a true supporter????
FFS i will not be able to sleep tonight if i am not a true supporter.
If i promise to attend more away games than i did last season, would that make me a true supporter?????
If i buy a new home and away SHIRT , will i be a true supporter then??????
Or do i just simply go along with a few of the posters and the garbage they write about our club without knowing what happens behind locked doors, would i really really be A TRUE SUPPORTER THEN???????

If the club was going to be sold surely the time to rake the money in would be BEFORE the players started leaving ?????
But then i don't even know if i am a true supporter or not ????????
STID.
Were you born within sight of the Dell?
I was born within walking distance, but the contours only allowed me to see the glow of the floodlights in the distance, but I could hear the roar of the crowd when there was a westerly wind, when I wasn't actually there.
[quote][p][bold]ecuk268[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: What is a true supporter? I have renewed my season ticket for this year, am i a true supporter ?? I read and write on this site , does that make me a true supporter ??? I do not agree with everyones opion, does that make me a true supporter???? FFS i will not be able to sleep tonight if i am not a true supporter. If i promise to attend more away games than i did last season, would that make me a true supporter????? If i buy a new home and away SHIRT , will i be a true supporter then?????? Or do i just simply go along with a few of the posters and the garbage they write about our club without knowing what happens behind locked doors, would i really really be A TRUE SUPPORTER THEN??????? If the club was going to be sold surely the time to rake the money in would be BEFORE the players started leaving ????? But then i don't even know if i am a true supporter or not ???????? STID.[/p][/quote]Were you born within sight of the Dell?[/p][/quote]I was born within walking distance, but the contours only allowed me to see the glow of the floodlights in the distance, but I could hear the roar of the crowd when there was a westerly wind, when I wasn't actually there. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:22am Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

LFCalways wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
LFCalways wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Andy Welsh wrote:
I think the point is nobody knows how much Liverpool have previously bid or are bidding now. Saints are obviously happy they have got over market value for him and will make a handsome profit. Personally I would love Vlaar, but whether he would come is dubious. I have been pretty happy with the first two replacements, so will be interesting to see who we get. If we want to strengthen the squad we can expect a few more ins before the season starts, but the fans will need to be patient. These things take time.
We haven't got time,that's the problem.you can't just chuck players together and send them out at anfield.
Why not, isn't that what Liverpool are doing.
Sorry bud we not, we're getting even stronger players who are hungry for every comp, League, CL, FA Cup, other cup...,
What happens to the ones that are being knocked down the pecking order?
It's called squad rotation like City did last season between League and CL/cups games to keep everyone fresh, but I do expect 2 or 3 to go else where who are only bit part players!
You can only name 25 senior squad players, I suspect that you will have a lot more than that.
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy Welsh[/bold] wrote: I think the point is nobody knows how much Liverpool have previously bid or are bidding now. Saints are obviously happy they have got over market value for him and will make a handsome profit. Personally I would love Vlaar, but whether he would come is dubious. I have been pretty happy with the first two replacements, so will be interesting to see who we get. If we want to strengthen the squad we can expect a few more ins before the season starts, but the fans will need to be patient. These things take time.[/p][/quote]We haven't got time,that's the problem.you can't just chuck players together and send them out at anfield.[/p][/quote]Why not, isn't that what Liverpool are doing.[/p][/quote]Sorry bud we not, we're getting even stronger players who are hungry for every comp, League, CL, FA Cup, other cup...,[/p][/quote]What happens to the ones that are being knocked down the pecking order?[/p][/quote]It's called squad rotation like City did last season between League and CL/cups games to keep everyone fresh, but I do expect 2 or 3 to go else where who are only bit part players![/p][/quote]You can only name 25 senior squad players, I suspect that you will have a lot more than that. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:23am Mon 21 Jul 14

LFCalways says...

Malcombe wrote:
LFCalways

Please shut up you are boring the pants off of everybody, you are the number one WUM that also begins with a B, what the hell do you get out of spilling your bile on the Saints Site, why don't you go on LFC Site you stupid undesirable tow rag and wind up the LFC Supporters and spout out your negative opinions of your so called Club or have you already had your name blocked? I intend to attempt to get you blocked and your comments you are very nasty and immature and worse than Gutter Press you must love to be hated.
I never go on any other Club Site but that's me as they are of no interest to me, I cannot predict the score for the first game for Southampton FC at Liverpool but I sincerely hope Saints get 3 points like they did last season with one of the worst goals ever scored and will I gloat like thousands of us including the neutrals, for goodness sake be sensible even if you can't resist posting and you can't be blocked, learn to be diplomatic not down right ignorant and stupid, you are not doing yourself any favours but you get up many honest Southampton Supporters noses including mine and that's only if I see your post name, I do not read your rubbish I only read the response to your nonsense, for goodness sake give it break not a short one as long as you live, us true Saints Supporters can live without your horrible bile as long as we live why don't you try and stop to think the same and Support your Team from the Armchair like you always have it will be so much nicer without you honestly take my word.
I'm not winding anyone up...the signals is all there to see, but you refuse to open your eyes to see it for your beloved saints. You can try and block me but your wasting your time as I'm only saying what everyone else is saying, so you really need to start listening to other comments from saints fans who do see it, instead of playing dumb and won't believe what's going on in your club!
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: LFCalways Please shut up you are boring the pants off of everybody, you are the number one WUM that also begins with a B, what the hell do you get out of spilling your bile on the Saints Site, why don't you go on LFC Site you stupid undesirable tow rag and wind up the LFC Supporters and spout out your negative opinions of your so called Club or have you already had your name blocked? I intend to attempt to get you blocked and your comments you are very nasty and immature and worse than Gutter Press you must love to be hated. I never go on any other Club Site but that's me as they are of no interest to me, I cannot predict the score for the first game for Southampton FC at Liverpool but I sincerely hope Saints get 3 points like they did last season with one of the worst goals ever scored and will I gloat like thousands of us including the neutrals, for goodness sake be sensible even if you can't resist posting and you can't be blocked, learn to be diplomatic not down right ignorant and stupid, you are not doing yourself any favours but you get up many honest Southampton Supporters noses including mine and that's only if I see your post name, I do not read your rubbish I only read the response to your nonsense, for goodness sake give it break not a short one as long as you live, us true Saints Supporters can live without your horrible bile as long as we live why don't you try and stop to think the same and Support your Team from the Armchair like you always have it will be so much nicer without you honestly take my word.[/p][/quote]I'm not winding anyone up...the signals is all there to see, but you refuse to open your eyes to see it for your beloved saints. You can try and block me but your wasting your time as I'm only saying what everyone else is saying, so you really need to start listening to other comments from saints fans who do see it, instead of playing dumb and won't believe what's going on in your club! LFCalways
  • Score: 1

11:27am Mon 21 Jul 14

LFCalways says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
LFCalways wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
LFCalways wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Andy Welsh wrote:
I think the point is nobody knows how much Liverpool have previously bid or are bidding now. Saints are obviously happy they have got over market value for him and will make a handsome profit. Personally I would love Vlaar, but whether he would come is dubious. I have been pretty happy with the first two replacements, so will be interesting to see who we get. If we want to strengthen the squad we can expect a few more ins before the season starts, but the fans will need to be patient. These things take time.
We haven't got time,that's the problem.you can't just chuck players together and send them out at anfield.
Why not, isn't that what Liverpool are doing.
Sorry bud we not, we're getting even stronger players who are hungry for every comp, League, CL, FA Cup, other cup...,
What happens to the ones that are being knocked down the pecking order?
It's called squad rotation like City did last season between League and CL/cups games to keep everyone fresh, but I do expect 2 or 3 to go else where who are only bit part players!
You can only name 25 senior squad players, I suspect that you will have a lot more than that.
Correct bud, most are youngsters who won't get in first team at moment! But I do wish saints the best and hope they sort themselves out.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy Welsh[/bold] wrote: I think the point is nobody knows how much Liverpool have previously bid or are bidding now. Saints are obviously happy they have got over market value for him and will make a handsome profit. Personally I would love Vlaar, but whether he would come is dubious. I have been pretty happy with the first two replacements, so will be interesting to see who we get. If we want to strengthen the squad we can expect a few more ins before the season starts, but the fans will need to be patient. These things take time.[/p][/quote]We haven't got time,that's the problem.you can't just chuck players together and send them out at anfield.[/p][/quote]Why not, isn't that what Liverpool are doing.[/p][/quote]Sorry bud we not, we're getting even stronger players who are hungry for every comp, League, CL, FA Cup, other cup...,[/p][/quote]What happens to the ones that are being knocked down the pecking order?[/p][/quote]It's called squad rotation like City did last season between League and CL/cups games to keep everyone fresh, but I do expect 2 or 3 to go else where who are only bit part players![/p][/quote]You can only name 25 senior squad players, I suspect that you will have a lot more than that.[/p][/quote]Correct bud, most are youngsters who won't get in first team at moment! But I do wish saints the best and hope they sort themselves out. LFCalways
  • Score: 1

11:28am Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

TGodSFC wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
Anyone know anything more about Jrod turning down the new contract??
If it is a fact, you know more about it than most.
It's not fact, just heard it through the grapevine. I really hope it’s not true. We are slowly being dismantled, spider to spurs reports are now. If we lose Spider and Jrod, its game over! Would be nice to see some players coming in not move going out.
You should pay more attention to facts, the grapevine has a very poor record of accuracy, purely because the contributors often know less about things than the people they are preaching to.
I do try to stay with facts, just most things this summer that the grapevine has wispered, ended up being true. Was in a really good mood for a moday morning, then get to work and find out about all this. Be nice if by friday we have a new CB and GK.
Have you thought that JRods injury may mean he isn't the player that he was when it happened? Perhaps he is waiting to see if his fitness is assured before committing, he should at least be grateful that we are doing the best we can to save his career, not good that we save his career only for him to walk out to the highest bidder, but the way things have gone recently nothing would surprise me.
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: Anyone know anything more about Jrod turning down the new contract??[/p][/quote]If it is a fact, you know more about it than most.[/p][/quote]It's not fact, just heard it through the grapevine. I really hope it’s not true. We are slowly being dismantled, spider to spurs reports are now. If we lose Spider and Jrod, its game over! Would be nice to see some players coming in not move going out.[/p][/quote]You should pay more attention to facts, the grapevine has a very poor record of accuracy, purely because the contributors often know less about things than the people they are preaching to.[/p][/quote]I do try to stay with facts, just most things this summer that the grapevine has wispered, ended up being true. Was in a really good mood for a moday morning, then get to work and find out about all this. Be nice if by friday we have a new CB and GK.[/p][/quote]Have you thought that JRods injury may mean he isn't the player that he was when it happened? Perhaps he is waiting to see if his fitness is assured before committing, he should at least be grateful that we are doing the best we can to save his career, not good that we save his career only for him to walk out to the highest bidder, but the way things have gone recently nothing would surprise me. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

11:32am Mon 21 Jul 14

fritzer says...

saintand266 wrote:
16 million not enough even for that vile tw#t
Agree £16 m is never enough, 27m to is more near the mark to Liverpol or any club, Saints have the last say SO SAY IT !!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: 16 million not enough even for that vile tw#t[/p][/quote]Agree £16 m is never enough, 27m to is more near the mark to Liverpol or any club, Saints have the last say SO SAY IT !!!!!!!! fritzer
  • Score: 2

11:38am Mon 21 Jul 14

Dan Howard says...

LFCalways wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
LFCalways

Please shut up you are boring the pants off of everybody, you are the number one WUM that also begins with a B, what the hell do you get out of spilling your bile on the Saints Site, why don't you go on LFC Site you stupid undesirable tow rag and wind up the LFC Supporters and spout out your negative opinions of your so called Club or have you already had your name blocked? I intend to attempt to get you blocked and your comments you are very nasty and immature and worse than Gutter Press you must love to be hated.
I never go on any other Club Site but that's me as they are of no interest to me, I cannot predict the score for the first game for Southampton FC at Liverpool but I sincerely hope Saints get 3 points like they did last season with one of the worst goals ever scored and will I gloat like thousands of us including the neutrals, for goodness sake be sensible even if you can't resist posting and you can't be blocked, learn to be diplomatic not down right ignorant and stupid, you are not doing yourself any favours but you get up many honest Southampton Supporters noses including mine and that's only if I see your post name, I do not read your rubbish I only read the response to your nonsense, for goodness sake give it break not a short one as long as you live, us true Saints Supporters can live without your horrible bile as long as we live why don't you try and stop to think the same and Support your Team from the Armchair like you always have it will be so much nicer without you honestly take my word.
I'm not winding anyone up...the signals is all there to see, but you refuse to open your eyes to see it for your beloved saints. You can try and block me but your wasting your time as I'm only saying what everyone else is saying, so you really need to start listening to other comments from saints fans who do see it, instead of playing dumb and won't believe what's going on in your club!
I may be missing something obvious here but if asset stripping were the plan why did Koeman take the job?

If asset stripping were the plan, how come we just spent £20m on players, which I remind us all is £10m more than Randy Lerner has allowed Paul Lambert for the entire transfer window because he, Lerner is selling Villa.

If selling the club is the plan, then why sell some valued assets and buy some others and install a top manager?

Possibly because there is no conspiracy?

Confused of Venasque
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: LFCalways Please shut up you are boring the pants off of everybody, you are the number one WUM that also begins with a B, what the hell do you get out of spilling your bile on the Saints Site, why don't you go on LFC Site you stupid undesirable tow rag and wind up the LFC Supporters and spout out your negative opinions of your so called Club or have you already had your name blocked? I intend to attempt to get you blocked and your comments you are very nasty and immature and worse than Gutter Press you must love to be hated. I never go on any other Club Site but that's me as they are of no interest to me, I cannot predict the score for the first game for Southampton FC at Liverpool but I sincerely hope Saints get 3 points like they did last season with one of the worst goals ever scored and will I gloat like thousands of us including the neutrals, for goodness sake be sensible even if you can't resist posting and you can't be blocked, learn to be diplomatic not down right ignorant and stupid, you are not doing yourself any favours but you get up many honest Southampton Supporters noses including mine and that's only if I see your post name, I do not read your rubbish I only read the response to your nonsense, for goodness sake give it break not a short one as long as you live, us true Saints Supporters can live without your horrible bile as long as we live why don't you try and stop to think the same and Support your Team from the Armchair like you always have it will be so much nicer without you honestly take my word.[/p][/quote]I'm not winding anyone up...the signals is all there to see, but you refuse to open your eyes to see it for your beloved saints. You can try and block me but your wasting your time as I'm only saying what everyone else is saying, so you really need to start listening to other comments from saints fans who do see it, instead of playing dumb and won't believe what's going on in your club![/p][/quote]I may be missing something obvious here but if asset stripping were the plan why did Koeman take the job? If asset stripping were the plan, how come we just spent £20m on players, which I remind us all is £10m more than Randy Lerner has allowed Paul Lambert for the entire transfer window because he, Lerner is selling Villa. If selling the club is the plan, then why sell some valued assets and buy some others and install a top manager? Possibly because there is no conspiracy? Confused of Venasque Dan Howard
  • Score: 0

11:40am Mon 21 Jul 14

fritzer says...

scorpioeyes wrote:
gorgonorto wrote:
Still think this will be a great season! These are my predictions:

1- Chelsea
2- Man City
3- Arsenal
4-Man United
5-Everton
6-SOUTHAMPTON
7-Scummy Spurs
8-Liverhampton
9-Stoke
10-Sunderland
11-Crystal Palace
12-West Ham
13-Newpardew
14-Hull City
15-Swansea
16-Aston Villa
17-QPR
18-West Brom
19-Leicester City
20-Burley
you gotta be joking! we are set for a relegation battle,for sure
Drean on Scorpioeyes,what are you on?
[quote][p][bold]scorpioeyes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gorgonorto[/bold] wrote: Still think this will be a great season! These are my predictions: 1- Chelsea 2- Man City 3- Arsenal 4-Man United 5-Everton 6-SOUTHAMPTON 7-Scummy Spurs 8-Liverhampton 9-Stoke 10-Sunderland 11-Crystal Palace 12-West Ham 13-Newpardew 14-Hull City 15-Swansea 16-Aston Villa 17-QPR 18-West Brom 19-Leicester City 20-Burley[/p][/quote]you gotta be joking! we are set for a relegation battle,for sure[/p][/quote]Drean on Scorpioeyes,what are you on? fritzer
  • Score: -2

11:44am Mon 21 Jul 14

Les Miserables says...

Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
All the freaks are out tonight salivating at some news they can use to fuel their tales of doom - some of them might even be saints fans. And then there's the rest of us who are worried but are a little more rational and prefer to err on the side of optimism. It's not asset stripping, that neither makes business sense nor fits with a Billionairess's memory of her father. It is Kat reigning things in rather than going for our is gutting and I think a mistake, but understandable. It's her money. That's all. The 5 that have gone is just modern football. Ricky fine - we all agree; Lallana is 26 and this is his chance (he could have gone about it better), Luke should of stayed a season or two, but he chose the bright lights of Old Trafford; Lovren is a mercenary c#n@. The board have no realistic choice than to get top dollar (and they did) and invest wisely. I'm happy with the two we have in being at least as good as we sold. So get Vlaar or Caulker, a decent left back to compete with Targett meaning we have the same quality squad as last season plus being in a very sound financial position (hopefully to buy a GK and a forward) For 5 years in every transfer window the doom merchants and trolls are on here spreading panic because we haven't bought anyone then every time buy well. Maybe we will for the first time in years be disappointed, of course we have a pessimistic side that worries - we're Saints fans. But why are some people so absolutely certain this time is completely different?
Because of the sheer volume of the departures from chairman, through the management team to captain and several other first teamers with possibly more to go. Never seen anything like this in my many years of being a football fan.
2 scenarios from this point in time: We buy nothing bar a couple of squad players and/or we lose one or more of Morgan/Jayrod/ Clyne/Cork. OR we lose no more and buy Vlarr/Caulker and a couple more diamonds. Why not react when we find out?
1) Luke Shaw sold for 27 mill - is there seriously anybody who does not think this was a great bit of business ?? Plus the fact that Matt Targett will prove to be an even BETTER left back than Luke.
2) SRL - Out of the blue but again no one will convince me that he was ever quite at his best last season and again getting the money we did was great for Saints and a dream move for Rickie so good luck to him. His replacement looks to be more mobile, just as strong and undoubtedly pacier.
3) Judas AL, to hear your ex captain admit that he was "dreaming of playing for Liverpool" last season and then to have him threaten to go on strike if we did not accept their offer (note - not if we did not agree to let him move) displays what a piece of work he really is and good riddance - hope he doesn't get splinters on the bench next season.
His replacement - quick, skillful and comes with a great assist AND scoring record - at least as good as AL and certainly quicker.

4) Dejan Lovren - Clearly "tapped up" - If I put any details to that I am sure the Echo will not publish, suffice to say it was no one officially connected with LFC.

As for the doom mongers- There are bids in and negotiations in progress for centre backS (yes plural) and a goalkeeper, and bids have been made for a full back and 2 other players (dont have the details of those as yet).

I fully expect to finish at least as high as last season but the new manager wants more than that so keep the faith.
[quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: All the freaks are out tonight salivating at some news they can use to fuel their tales of doom - some of them might even be saints fans. And then there's the rest of us who are worried but are a little more rational and prefer to err on the side of optimism. It's not asset stripping, that neither makes business sense nor fits with a Billionairess's memory of her father. It is Kat reigning things in rather than going for our is gutting and I think a mistake, but understandable. It's her money. That's all. The 5 that have gone is just modern football. Ricky fine - we all agree; Lallana is 26 and this is his chance (he could have gone about it better), Luke should of stayed a season or two, but he chose the bright lights of Old Trafford; Lovren is a mercenary c#n@. The board have no realistic choice than to get top dollar (and they did) and invest wisely. I'm happy with the two we have in being at least as good as we sold. So get Vlaar or Caulker, a decent left back to compete with Targett meaning we have the same quality squad as last season plus being in a very sound financial position (hopefully to buy a GK and a forward) For 5 years in every transfer window the doom merchants and trolls are on here spreading panic because we haven't bought anyone then every time buy well. Maybe we will for the first time in years be disappointed, of course we have a pessimistic side that worries - we're Saints fans. But why are some people so absolutely certain this time is completely different?[/p][/quote]Because of the sheer volume of the departures from chairman, through the management team to captain and several other first teamers with possibly more to go. Never seen anything like this in my many years of being a football fan.[/p][/quote]2 scenarios from this point in time: We buy nothing bar a couple of squad players and/or we lose one or more of Morgan/Jayrod/ Clyne/Cork. OR we lose no more and buy Vlarr/Caulker and a couple more diamonds. Why not react when we find out?[/p][/quote]1) Luke Shaw sold for 27 mill - is there seriously anybody who does not think this was a great bit of business ?? Plus the fact that Matt Targett will prove to be an even BETTER left back than Luke. 2) SRL - Out of the blue but again no one will convince me that he was ever quite at his best last season and again getting the money we did was great for Saints and a dream move for Rickie so good luck to him. His replacement looks to be more mobile, just as strong and undoubtedly pacier. 3) Judas AL, to hear your ex captain admit that he was "dreaming of playing for Liverpool" last season and then to have him threaten to go on strike if we did not accept their offer (note - not if we did not agree to let him move) displays what a piece of work he really is and good riddance - hope he doesn't get splinters on the bench next season. His replacement - quick, skillful and comes with a great assist AND scoring record - at least as good as AL and certainly quicker. 4) Dejan Lovren - Clearly "tapped up" - If I put any details to that I am sure the Echo will not publish, suffice to say it was no one officially connected with LFC. As for the doom mongers- There are bids in and negotiations in progress for centre backS (yes plural) and a goalkeeper, and bids have been made for a full back and 2 other players (dont have the details of those as yet). I fully expect to finish at least as high as last season but the new manager wants more than that so keep the faith. Les Miserables
  • Score: 0

11:47am Mon 21 Jul 14

bbb001 says...

I know this is childish, but I really hope Lovren goes to Liverhampton and joins the other ex Saints on the bench with only the odd League cup run out. Liverpool, like the rest of the premier league can only play ten outfield players, by my reckoning they have added nine new players and are being linked to three others this morning alone. So my question is, where are they all going to play? I think Lovren being a defender is the only ex saint guaranteed a start. Lambert to slow for Liverpool, how will he keep up with Sturridge and Stirling. And I hate to say it but Lallana again not the quickest. I hope the bench is padded so they dont hurt their prima donna ar**s.

Sour grapes? Yes.but it cheers me up in these difficult times.
I know this is childish, but I really hope Lovren goes to Liverhampton and joins the other ex Saints on the bench with only the odd League cup run out. Liverpool, like the rest of the premier league can only play ten outfield players, by my reckoning they have added nine new players and are being linked to three others this morning alone. So my question is, where are they all going to play? I think Lovren being a defender is the only ex saint guaranteed a start. Lambert to slow for Liverpool, how will he keep up with Sturridge and Stirling. And I hate to say it but Lallana again not the quickest. I hope the bench is padded so they dont hurt their prima donna ar**s. Sour grapes? Yes.but it cheers me up in these difficult times. bbb001
  • Score: 0

11:49am Mon 21 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

rambo5 wrote:
get rid of the money grabbing piece of **** and we will see the mighty saints destroy liverhampton on the 17 th it seems rodgers is panic buying SAINTS FOREVER roko to sort team to his standard then we shall see keep the FAITH
Brendan Rodgers is a very clever and able manager, he knows that Gerard will be retiring soon and that other players will also need replacing. He is sensible in investing in new players who have shown they have talent and hunger to go further. Brendan was determined to restore LIVERPOOL to the top tiers of PL and CL once more and the Liverpool fans through the UK and the hundreds of thousands of fans throughout the world are united behind him.
[quote][p][bold]rambo5[/bold] wrote: get rid of the money grabbing piece of **** and we will see the mighty saints destroy liverhampton on the 17 th it seems rodgers is panic buying SAINTS FOREVER roko to sort team to his standard then we shall see keep the FAITH[/p][/quote]Brendan Rodgers is a very clever and able manager, he knows that Gerard will be retiring soon and that other players will also need replacing. He is sensible in investing in new players who have shown they have talent and hunger to go further. Brendan was determined to restore LIVERPOOL to the top tiers of PL and CL once more and the Liverpool fans through the UK and the hundreds of thousands of fans throughout the world are united behind him. one in the crowd
  • Score: 5

11:58am Mon 21 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

whys are muppets asking "what the plan is" and criticising he club.... we are currently down 1 player due to transfers and by the start of the season we will have a strong squad and will be very competitive in the Premier League..... exactly WHAT plant are some of you on ? Of course Lovren will go , of course Spiderman will go... so what... we have a great management team , some fantastic played and once we get rid of sh1te like Lovren and Osvaldo we will have players who want to play for the shirt....
whys are muppets asking "what the plan is" and criticising he club.... we are currently down 1 player due to transfers and by the start of the season we will have a strong squad and will be very competitive in the Premier League..... exactly WHAT plant are some of you on ? Of course Lovren will go , of course Spiderman will go... so what... we have a great management team , some fantastic played and once we get rid of sh1te like Lovren and Osvaldo we will have players who want to play for the shirt.... steekeemcglue
  • Score: -10

12:06pm Mon 21 Jul 14

jasons odd says...

Les Miserables wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
All the freaks are out tonight salivating at some news they can use to fuel their tales of doom - some of them might even be saints fans. And then there's the rest of us who are worried but are a little more rational and prefer to err on the side of optimism. It's not asset stripping, that neither makes business sense nor fits with a Billionairess's memory of her father. It is Kat reigning things in rather than going for our is gutting and I think a mistake, but understandable. It's her money. That's all. The 5 that have gone is just modern football. Ricky fine - we all agree; Lallana is 26 and this is his chance (he could have gone about it better), Luke should of stayed a season or two, but he chose the bright lights of Old Trafford; Lovren is a mercenary c#n@. The board have no realistic choice than to get top dollar (and they did) and invest wisely. I'm happy with the two we have in being at least as good as we sold. So get Vlaar or Caulker, a decent left back to compete with Targett meaning we have the same quality squad as last season plus being in a very sound financial position (hopefully to buy a GK and a forward) For 5 years in every transfer window the doom merchants and trolls are on here spreading panic because we haven't bought anyone then every time buy well. Maybe we will for the first time in years be disappointed, of course we have a pessimistic side that worries - we're Saints fans. But why are some people so absolutely certain this time is completely different?
Because of the sheer volume of the departures from chairman, through the management team to captain and several other first teamers with possibly more to go. Never seen anything like this in my many years of being a football fan.
2 scenarios from this point in time: We buy nothing bar a couple of squad players and/or we lose one or more of Morgan/Jayrod/ Clyne/Cork. OR we lose no more and buy Vlarr/Caulker and a couple more diamonds. Why not react when we find out?
1) Luke Shaw sold for 27 mill - is there seriously anybody who does not think this was a great bit of business ?? Plus the fact that Matt Targett will prove to be an even BETTER left back than Luke.
2) SRL - Out of the blue but again no one will convince me that he was ever quite at his best last season and again getting the money we did was great for Saints and a dream move for Rickie so good luck to him. His replacement looks to be more mobile, just as strong and undoubtedly pacier.
3) Judas AL, to hear your ex captain admit that he was "dreaming of playing for Liverpool" last season and then to have him threaten to go on strike if we did not accept their offer (note - not if we did not agree to let him move) displays what a piece of work he really is and good riddance - hope he doesn't get splinters on the bench next season.
His replacement - quick, skillful and comes with a great assist AND scoring record - at least as good as AL and certainly quicker.

4) Dejan Lovren - Clearly "tapped up" - If I put any details to that I am sure the Echo will not publish, suffice to say it was no one officially connected with LFC.

As for the doom mongers- There are bids in and negotiations in progress for centre backS (yes plural) and a goalkeeper, and bids have been made for a full back and 2 other players (dont have the details of those as yet).

I fully expect to finish at least as high as last season but the new manager wants more than that so keep the faith.
Deluded
[quote][p][bold]Les Miserables[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: All the freaks are out tonight salivating at some news they can use to fuel their tales of doom - some of them might even be saints fans. And then there's the rest of us who are worried but are a little more rational and prefer to err on the side of optimism. It's not asset stripping, that neither makes business sense nor fits with a Billionairess's memory of her father. It is Kat reigning things in rather than going for our is gutting and I think a mistake, but understandable. It's her money. That's all. The 5 that have gone is just modern football. Ricky fine - we all agree; Lallana is 26 and this is his chance (he could have gone about it better), Luke should of stayed a season or two, but he chose the bright lights of Old Trafford; Lovren is a mercenary c#n@. The board have no realistic choice than to get top dollar (and they did) and invest wisely. I'm happy with the two we have in being at least as good as we sold. So get Vlaar or Caulker, a decent left back to compete with Targett meaning we have the same quality squad as last season plus being in a very sound financial position (hopefully to buy a GK and a forward) For 5 years in every transfer window the doom merchants and trolls are on here spreading panic because we haven't bought anyone then every time buy well. Maybe we will for the first time in years be disappointed, of course we have a pessimistic side that worries - we're Saints fans. But why are some people so absolutely certain this time is completely different?[/p][/quote]Because of the sheer volume of the departures from chairman, through the management team to captain and several other first teamers with possibly more to go. Never seen anything like this in my many years of being a football fan.[/p][/quote]2 scenarios from this point in time: We buy nothing bar a couple of squad players and/or we lose one or more of Morgan/Jayrod/ Clyne/Cork. OR we lose no more and buy Vlarr/Caulker and a couple more diamonds. Why not react when we find out?[/p][/quote]1) Luke Shaw sold for 27 mill - is there seriously anybody who does not think this was a great bit of business ?? Plus the fact that Matt Targett will prove to be an even BETTER left back than Luke. 2) SRL - Out of the blue but again no one will convince me that he was ever quite at his best last season and again getting the money we did was great for Saints and a dream move for Rickie so good luck to him. His replacement looks to be more mobile, just as strong and undoubtedly pacier. 3) Judas AL, to hear your ex captain admit that he was "dreaming of playing for Liverpool" last season and then to have him threaten to go on strike if we did not accept their offer (note - not if we did not agree to let him move) displays what a piece of work he really is and good riddance - hope he doesn't get splinters on the bench next season. His replacement - quick, skillful and comes with a great assist AND scoring record - at least as good as AL and certainly quicker. 4) Dejan Lovren - Clearly "tapped up" - If I put any details to that I am sure the Echo will not publish, suffice to say it was no one officially connected with LFC. As for the doom mongers- There are bids in and negotiations in progress for centre backS (yes plural) and a goalkeeper, and bids have been made for a full back and 2 other players (dont have the details of those as yet). I fully expect to finish at least as high as last season but the new manager wants more than that so keep the faith.[/p][/quote]Deluded jasons odd
  • Score: 5

12:13pm Mon 21 Jul 14

TGodSFC says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
Anyone know anything more about Jrod turning down the new contract??
If it is a fact, you know more about it than most.
It's not fact, just heard it through the grapevine. I really hope it’s not true. We are slowly being dismantled, spider to spurs reports are now. If we lose Spider and Jrod, its game over! Would be nice to see some players coming in not move going out.
You should pay more attention to facts, the grapevine has a very poor record of accuracy, purely because the contributors often know less about things than the people they are preaching to.
I do try to stay with facts, just most things this summer that the grapevine has wispered, ended up being true. Was in a really good mood for a moday morning, then get to work and find out about all this. Be nice if by friday we have a new CB and GK.
Have you thought that JRods injury may mean he isn't the player that he was when it happened? Perhaps he is waiting to see if his fitness is assured before committing, he should at least be grateful that we are doing the best we can to save his career, not good that we save his career only for him to walk out to the highest bidder, but the way things have gone recently nothing would surprise me.
I couldn’t agree more, the amount of work we have put in on him, it would be a complete kick in the balls if he got fit a walked out to the highest bidder, but yes wouldn’t surprise me. Still why not sign, contracts evidently are meaningless anyway, plus he’d be on more money. Wait and see I guess. I couldn’t give two sh1ts about Lovern though, pleased he is going.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: Anyone know anything more about Jrod turning down the new contract??[/p][/quote]If it is a fact, you know more about it than most.[/p][/quote]It's not fact, just heard it through the grapevine. I really hope it’s not true. We are slowly being dismantled, spider to spurs reports are now. If we lose Spider and Jrod, its game over! Would be nice to see some players coming in not move going out.[/p][/quote]You should pay more attention to facts, the grapevine has a very poor record of accuracy, purely because the contributors often know less about things than the people they are preaching to.[/p][/quote]I do try to stay with facts, just most things this summer that the grapevine has wispered, ended up being true. Was in a really good mood for a moday morning, then get to work and find out about all this. Be nice if by friday we have a new CB and GK.[/p][/quote]Have you thought that JRods injury may mean he isn't the player that he was when it happened? Perhaps he is waiting to see if his fitness is assured before committing, he should at least be grateful that we are doing the best we can to save his career, not good that we save his career only for him to walk out to the highest bidder, but the way things have gone recently nothing would surprise me.[/p][/quote]I couldn’t agree more, the amount of work we have put in on him, it would be a complete kick in the balls if he got fit a walked out to the highest bidder, but yes wouldn’t surprise me. Still why not sign, contracts evidently are meaningless anyway, plus he’d be on more money. Wait and see I guess. I couldn’t give two sh1ts about Lovern though, pleased he is going. TGodSFC
  • Score: -2

12:14pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Beer Monster says...

right back in the bar wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
The perennial problem of quality players wanting pastures new will always afflict us as things stand…

..note as things stand, there is however a solution and template to address this that will leave a lasting legacy.

Forgetting world domination for a moment, it is quite simple, enlarge the stadium and fill it with southern kids every game, create a southern tribal loyalty to Southampton.

Southampton is at best a small medium sized club because it has always acted as a small medium sized club..

The Dell crucified our potential since the 60's the reduction in capacity really did for us however nothing compares with building a 32.500 stadium when on our day ( not every game) we like the Villa can fill a mid 44.000 stadium.

We need a temple to passion and local identity this is the only rival to money for homegrown and academy players….

..plus the extra revenue and increasing fan base will increase the wages significantly in time.

Rge Basque region and even Ajax are examples of local identity and punching above their weight….build it, market it, promote it, religionise it if necessary..but a legacy has to start somewhere, what are we waiting for, start it today and the fruits will be evident and permanent within 10 years.
Outstanding post. Athletic Bilbao is the model we should aspire to. But its the chicken and egg- whilst SFC were poised to take a huge step forward that would justify investment in a bigger stadium, what is happening now with the systematic dismantling of a successful side makes it seem very unlikely. Whereas last season we were winning admirers everywhere we went, this season will be a struggle and for the neutrals that will be business as usual for SFC - the local youngster you talk about will join rest in 'supporting' Chelsea, Liverpool, Man U
This is sadly true, and the step backwards started with the resignation of Cortese, which has led to the current (and well catalogued, so it would seem) situation that we find ourselves in.

It's a shame that the vision that Cortese sold us all has been effectively forgotten, but no matter, we carry on in a manner that is more aligned to how a successful business is run (and I think we can all agree that football is purely about business these days, and as slugger surmises, anyone trying to muscle in on it gets bought out).

It may take a little longer than our previous trajectory would suggest, but we will get stronger. Everton are a good example of this - tweak a few things here and there each season, try and improve on the last. The fact that they lost Moyes had virtually no impact because everyone at the club was a family. We are no different (although some of the comments on here would suggest otherwise).

Keep the faith,
COYR
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: The perennial problem of quality players wanting pastures new will always afflict us as things stand… ..note as things stand, there is however a solution and template to address this that will leave a lasting legacy. Forgetting world domination for a moment, it is quite simple, enlarge the stadium and fill it with southern kids every game, create a southern tribal loyalty to Southampton. Southampton is at best a small medium sized club because it has always acted as a small medium sized club.. The Dell crucified our potential since the 60's the reduction in capacity really did for us however nothing compares with building a 32.500 stadium when on our day ( not every game) we like the Villa can fill a mid 44.000 stadium. We need a temple to passion and local identity this is the only rival to money for homegrown and academy players…. ..plus the extra revenue and increasing fan base will increase the wages significantly in time. Rge Basque region and even Ajax are examples of local identity and punching above their weight….build it, market it, promote it, religionise it if necessary..but a legacy has to start somewhere, what are we waiting for, start it today and the fruits will be evident and permanent within 10 years.[/p][/quote]Outstanding post. Athletic Bilbao is the model we should aspire to. But its the chicken and egg- whilst SFC were poised to take a huge step forward that would justify investment in a bigger stadium, what is happening now with the systematic dismantling of a successful side makes it seem very unlikely. Whereas last season we were winning admirers everywhere we went, this season will be a struggle and for the neutrals that will be business as usual for SFC - the local youngster you talk about will join rest in 'supporting' Chelsea, Liverpool, Man U[/p][/quote]This is sadly true, and the step backwards started with the resignation of Cortese, which has led to the current (and well catalogued, so it would seem) situation that we find ourselves in. It's a shame that the vision that Cortese sold us all has been effectively forgotten, but no matter, we carry on in a manner that is more aligned to how a successful business is run (and I think we can all agree that football is purely about business these days, and as slugger surmises, anyone trying to muscle in on it gets bought out). It may take a little longer than our previous trajectory would suggest, but we will get stronger. Everton are a good example of this - tweak a few things here and there each season, try and improve on the last. The fact that they lost Moyes had virtually no impact because everyone at the club was a family. We are no different (although some of the comments on here would suggest otherwise). Keep the faith, COYR Beer Monster
  • Score: -1

12:20pm Mon 21 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

bbb001 wrote:
I think now would be a good time for Les Reid to explain exactly what the plan is, because we must have one. Didnt Les say " no players will be leaving the club unless the club want them to go" Mmmmmmm seems like the club wanted them to go then. What a complete waste of space he is. Its time to man up and tell us the truth before we start the campaign with the youth team.
You say Saint's must have a plan, reading about what they have or haven't done since the end of last season, it's obvious to everybody that.....

THEY DON'T HAVE A PLAN.
[quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: I think now would be a good time for Les Reid to explain exactly what the plan is, because we must have one. Didnt Les say " no players will be leaving the club unless the club want them to go" Mmmmmmm seems like the club wanted them to go then. What a complete waste of space he is. Its time to man up and tell us the truth before we start the campaign with the youth team.[/p][/quote]You say Saint's must have a plan, reading about what they have or haven't done since the end of last season, it's obvious to everybody that..... THEY DON'T HAVE A PLAN. one in the crowd
  • Score: 1

12:34pm Mon 21 Jul 14

bbb001 says...

one in the crowd wrote:
bbb001 wrote:
I think now would be a good time for Les Reid to explain exactly what the plan is, because we must have one. Didnt Les say " no players will be leaving the club unless the club want them to go" Mmmmmmm seems like the club wanted them to go then. What a complete waste of space he is. Its time to man up and tell us the truth before we start the campaign with the youth team.
You say Saint's must have a plan, reading about what they have or haven't done since the end of last season, it's obvious to everybody that.....

THEY DON'T HAVE A PLAN.
Well then we all know "pi*s poor planning equals pi*s poor performance.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: I think now would be a good time for Les Reid to explain exactly what the plan is, because we must have one. Didnt Les say " no players will be leaving the club unless the club want them to go" Mmmmmmm seems like the club wanted them to go then. What a complete waste of space he is. Its time to man up and tell us the truth before we start the campaign with the youth team.[/p][/quote]You say Saint's must have a plan, reading about what they have or haven't done since the end of last season, it's obvious to everybody that..... THEY DON'T HAVE A PLAN.[/p][/quote]Well then we all know "pi*s poor planning equals pi*s poor performance. bbb001
  • Score: 0

12:41pm Mon 21 Jul 14

miltonarcher says...

The fans are turning ugly
The fans are turning ugly miltonarcher
  • Score: 1

12:41pm Mon 21 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

Liverpool closing in on £20m signing of Dejan Lovren
• Jul 21, 2014 08:08

Croatian international has long been identified by Brendan Rodgers as his top defensive target this summer
Liverpool are closing in on the £20m signing of Dejan Lovren from Southampton.
The Croatian international has long been identified by Brendan Rodgers as his top defensive target this summer, after an impressive debut season at St Mary’s.
The Reds had a bid turned down by Saints earlier this month, but Liverpool’s persistence, coupled with the player’s desire to move to Merseyside, means the deal is now likely to go through this week, with Lovren expected to join Liverpool’s pre-season tour of the USA.
It promises to be a busy week in the transfer market for the Reds, who are also set to complete an £8m swoop for Queens Park Rangers striker Loic Remy in the next few days.
Lille frontman Divock Origi is also expected to sign, in a £10m deal, though he is likely to be loaned back to the French club.
Their pursuit of Ben Davies, however, looks to be over, with the Swansea City left back on the brink of joining
Premier League rivals Tottenham.
Liverpool closing in on £20m signing of Dejan Lovren • Jul 21, 2014 08:08 Croatian international has long been identified by Brendan Rodgers as his top defensive target this summer Liverpool are closing in on the £20m signing of Dejan Lovren from Southampton. The Croatian international has long been identified by Brendan Rodgers as his top defensive target this summer, after an impressive debut season at St Mary’s. The Reds had a bid turned down by Saints earlier this month, but Liverpool’s persistence, coupled with the player’s desire to move to Merseyside, means the deal is now likely to go through this week, with Lovren expected to join Liverpool’s pre-season tour of the USA. It promises to be a busy week in the transfer market for the Reds, who are also set to complete an £8m swoop for Queens Park Rangers striker Loic Remy in the next few days. Lille frontman Divock Origi is also expected to sign, in a £10m deal, though he is likely to be loaned back to the French club. Their pursuit of Ben Davies, however, looks to be over, with the Swansea City left back on the brink of joining Premier League rivals Tottenham. one in the crowd
  • Score: 1

12:42pm Mon 21 Jul 14

echo1948 says...

Dave Juson wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
We are witnessing the systematic dismantling of the team purely for financial gain on Katherina,s part. Those of us with long memories will remember a certain Rupert Lowe doing the same thing and we all remember the aftermath of that episode in Saints history.
Yes, we do recall that particular time in history. First of all, nobody in the print or broadcast media has ever accused Rupert Lowe of benefitting personally from the transfer of players out of Southampton; second, his successors ran the club from £4-million in the black into penury in six months.
Get your facts right before you mouth off.
Yes, sorry about that Dave. I was just trying to use the Lowe situation as a comparison.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: We are witnessing the systematic dismantling of the team purely for financial gain on Katherina,s part. Those of us with long memories will remember a certain Rupert Lowe doing the same thing and we all remember the aftermath of that episode in Saints history.[/p][/quote]Yes, we do recall that particular time in history. First of all, nobody in the print or broadcast media has ever accused Rupert Lowe of benefitting personally from the transfer of players out of Southampton; second, his successors ran the club from £4-million in the black into penury in six months. Get your facts right before you mouth off.[/p][/quote]Yes, sorry about that Dave. I was just trying to use the Lowe situation as a comparison. echo1948
  • Score: 1

12:43pm Mon 21 Jul 14

miltonarcher says...

With this feeding frenzy surrounding SFC players it makes you wonder with the squad at his disposal last season why Poch didn't get us into at least the top 6.
With this feeding frenzy surrounding SFC players it makes you wonder with the squad at his disposal last season why Poch didn't get us into at least the top 6. miltonarcher
  • Score: 14

1:04pm Mon 21 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
No one ball kicked and it's all doom n gloom. I know it's Monday tomorrow, but come on now....we've offloaded players who no longer want to wear the shirt for top TOP dollar (we just need to reinvest wisely....rather than quickly).

In short...ffs get a grip.

Oh yeah...and or the skates who post here...FOAD.

Cheers. :O)
Brilliant!
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: No one ball kicked and it's all doom n gloom. I know it's Monday tomorrow, but come on now....we've offloaded players who no longer want to wear the shirt for top TOP dollar (we just need to reinvest wisely....rather than quickly). In short...ffs get a grip. Oh yeah...and or the skates who post here...FOAD. Cheers. :O)[/p][/quote]Brilliant! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 2

1:09pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

miltonarcher wrote:
With this feeding frenzy surrounding SFC players it makes you wonder with the squad at his disposal last season why Poch didn't get us into at least the top 6.
It also begs the question; Why didn't Poch stay as if he had retained most of his players , he could have been pushing for a top sixth place and finishing above Spurs, Everton and perhaps Arsenal with fans that would have backed him to the hilt.

Perhaps he actually knew a fire sale was coming, and he would lose 2 or 3 players.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: With this feeding frenzy surrounding SFC players it makes you wonder with the squad at his disposal last season why Poch didn't get us into at least the top 6.[/p][/quote]It also begs the question; Why didn't Poch stay as if he had retained most of his players , he could have been pushing for a top sixth place and finishing above Spurs, Everton and perhaps Arsenal with fans that would have backed him to the hilt. Perhaps he actually knew a fire sale was coming, and he would lose 2 or 3 players. Saints n Winners
  • Score: 1

1:11pm Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

one in the crowd wrote:
Liverpool closing in on £20m signing of Dejan Lovren
• Jul 21, 2014 08:08

Croatian international has long been identified by Brendan Rodgers as his top defensive target this summer
Liverpool are closing in on the £20m signing of Dejan Lovren from Southampton.
The Croatian international has long been identified by Brendan Rodgers as his top defensive target this summer, after an impressive debut season at St Mary’s.
The Reds had a bid turned down by Saints earlier this month, but Liverpool’s persistence, coupled with the player’s desire to move to Merseyside, means the deal is now likely to go through this week, with Lovren expected to join Liverpool’s pre-season tour of the USA.
It promises to be a busy week in the transfer market for the Reds, who are also set to complete an £8m swoop for Queens Park Rangers striker Loic Remy in the next few days.
Lille frontman Divock Origi is also expected to sign, in a £10m deal, though he is likely to be loaned back to the French club.
Their pursuit of Ben Davies, however, looks to be over, with the Swansea City left back on the brink of joining
Premier League rivals Tottenham.
Dejan is a reasonably good footballer but don't expect loyalty, he has none.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: Liverpool closing in on £20m signing of Dejan Lovren • Jul 21, 2014 08:08 Croatian international has long been identified by Brendan Rodgers as his top defensive target this summer Liverpool are closing in on the £20m signing of Dejan Lovren from Southampton. The Croatian international has long been identified by Brendan Rodgers as his top defensive target this summer, after an impressive debut season at St Mary’s. The Reds had a bid turned down by Saints earlier this month, but Liverpool’s persistence, coupled with the player’s desire to move to Merseyside, means the deal is now likely to go through this week, with Lovren expected to join Liverpool’s pre-season tour of the USA. It promises to be a busy week in the transfer market for the Reds, who are also set to complete an £8m swoop for Queens Park Rangers striker Loic Remy in the next few days. Lille frontman Divock Origi is also expected to sign, in a £10m deal, though he is likely to be loaned back to the French club. Their pursuit of Ben Davies, however, looks to be over, with the Swansea City left back on the brink of joining Premier League rivals Tottenham.[/p][/quote]Dejan is a reasonably good footballer but don't expect loyalty, he has none. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

1:12pm Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
With this feeding frenzy surrounding SFC players it makes you wonder with the squad at his disposal last season why Poch didn't get us into at least the top 6.
It also begs the question; Why didn't Poch stay as if he had retained most of his players , he could have been pushing for a top sixth place and finishing above Spurs, Everton and perhaps Arsenal with fans that would have backed him to the hilt.

Perhaps he actually knew a fire sale was coming, and he would lose 2 or 3 players.
If you ever find out what was behind all of this, be sure to let us in to the secret won't you?
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: With this feeding frenzy surrounding SFC players it makes you wonder with the squad at his disposal last season why Poch didn't get us into at least the top 6.[/p][/quote]It also begs the question; Why didn't Poch stay as if he had retained most of his players , he could have been pushing for a top sixth place and finishing above Spurs, Everton and perhaps Arsenal with fans that would have backed him to the hilt. Perhaps he actually knew a fire sale was coming, and he would lose 2 or 3 players.[/p][/quote]If you ever find out what was behind all of this, be sure to let us in to the secret won't you? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

1:14pm Mon 21 Jul 14

saint bartley says...

Bitterly disappointed to read this news of Lovren. I thought he might have grasped the challenge of possible captaincy being offered if he decided to stay and help build for the season ahead. Instead I feel that he's let us down and shown himself to be weak and money-grabbing. Wouldn't Liverpool accept Jos Hooiveld instead??!
Bitterly disappointed to read this news of Lovren. I thought he might have grasped the challenge of possible captaincy being offered if he decided to stay and help build for the season ahead. Instead I feel that he's let us down and shown himself to be weak and money-grabbing. Wouldn't Liverpool accept Jos Hooiveld instead??! saint bartley
  • Score: 2

1:21pm Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

LFCalways wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
LFCalways wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
LFCalways wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Andy Welsh wrote:
I think the point is nobody knows how much Liverpool have previously bid or are bidding now. Saints are obviously happy they have got over market value for him and will make a handsome profit. Personally I would love Vlaar, but whether he would come is dubious. I have been pretty happy with the first two replacements, so will be interesting to see who we get. If we want to strengthen the squad we can expect a few more ins before the season starts, but the fans will need to be patient. These things take time.
We haven't got time,that's the problem.you can't just chuck players together and send them out at anfield.
Why not, isn't that what Liverpool are doing.
Sorry bud we not, we're getting even stronger players who are hungry for every comp, League, CL, FA Cup, other cup...,
What happens to the ones that are being knocked down the pecking order?
It's called squad rotation like City did last season between League and CL/cups games to keep everyone fresh, but I do expect 2 or 3 to go else where who are only bit part players!
You can only name 25 senior squad players, I suspect that you will have a lot more than that.
Correct bud, most are youngsters who won't get in first team at moment! But I do wish saints the best and hope they sort themselves out.
Under 21's don't count in the Senior squad, so they will get their opportunity, if they are good enough, but packing the squad with experience players, while good for the team, isn't good for your younger players who are trying to break through as they won't get a look in. My point was that you will have too many senior, very good players, who won't be able to play and they will have to leave or sit on their butts until the next window. there is scope for some unpleasantness here.
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy Welsh[/bold] wrote: I think the point is nobody knows how much Liverpool have previously bid or are bidding now. Saints are obviously happy they have got over market value for him and will make a handsome profit. Personally I would love Vlaar, but whether he would come is dubious. I have been pretty happy with the first two replacements, so will be interesting to see who we get. If we want to strengthen the squad we can expect a few more ins before the season starts, but the fans will need to be patient. These things take time.[/p][/quote]We haven't got time,that's the problem.you can't just chuck players together and send them out at anfield.[/p][/quote]Why not, isn't that what Liverpool are doing.[/p][/quote]Sorry bud we not, we're getting even stronger players who are hungry for every comp, League, CL, FA Cup, other cup...,[/p][/quote]What happens to the ones that are being knocked down the pecking order?[/p][/quote]It's called squad rotation like City did last season between League and CL/cups games to keep everyone fresh, but I do expect 2 or 3 to go else where who are only bit part players![/p][/quote]You can only name 25 senior squad players, I suspect that you will have a lot more than that.[/p][/quote]Correct bud, most are youngsters who won't get in first team at moment! But I do wish saints the best and hope they sort themselves out.[/p][/quote]Under 21's don't count in the Senior squad, so they will get their opportunity, if they are good enough, but packing the squad with experience players, while good for the team, isn't good for your younger players who are trying to break through as they won't get a look in. My point was that you will have too many senior, very good players, who won't be able to play and they will have to leave or sit on their butts until the next window. there is scope for some unpleasantness here. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

1:22pm Mon 21 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

Deceit, lies or incompetance makes little difference the end result is the same…

We rightly castigated MoPo for disrespecting the cups and we could have gone to the FA final make no mistake.

Yet I see little difference between what we are left with now and the teams the 'traitor' put out FOR those games…

Koeman is not a messiah, at the end of the day it still comes down to quality, hence why most clubs who change managers to change fortunes rarely do in the first season, unless accompanied by a raft of 'chosen' incomers and 'chosen outgoer's…never been so upset since the lows of Lowe.
Deceit, lies or incompetance makes little difference the end result is the same… We rightly castigated MoPo for disrespecting the cups and we could have gone to the FA final make no mistake. Yet I see little difference between what we are left with now and the teams the 'traitor' put out FOR those games… Koeman is not a messiah, at the end of the day it still comes down to quality, hence why most clubs who change managers to change fortunes rarely do in the first season, unless accompanied by a raft of 'chosen' incomers and 'chosen outgoer's…never been so upset since the lows of Lowe. warrens 76
  • Score: 3

1:24pm Mon 21 Jul 14

saint christopher says...

Having just logged on after the weekend the words lemmings and headless chickens keep coming come to mind. However so does mushrooms.

The problem we're all facing is that
(a) we're seeing a fine team systematically dismantled in front of our eyes, contrary to everything management promised
(b) we're not seeing the requisite replacement of those players, whilst all our rivals (many with far less money than we have) continue to gaily fill their boots with at least half-decent players
(c) we're not hearing anything about plans and prospects in spite of well publicised intentions to keep fans informed etc
(d) we have seen a top class manager appointed who must have been aware of what he was coming to and who is (presumably) the one in charge of our current situation.

In other words we have conflicting scenarios and no real facts to go on, with most of those we do have being almost exclusively negative.

I'm therefore inclined to designate the next 6 weeks a football holiday, during which I'll totally ignore all Saints news and only find out what team I'm supporting the day before the season starts. Feint chance but it's worth a go - anything's better than the current situation which to be frank is giving me a headache.
Having just logged on after the weekend the words lemmings and headless chickens keep coming come to mind. However so does mushrooms. The problem we're all facing is that (a) we're seeing a fine team systematically dismantled in front of our eyes, contrary to everything management promised (b) we're not seeing the requisite replacement of those players, whilst all our rivals (many with far less money than we have) continue to gaily fill their boots with at least half-decent players (c) we're not hearing anything about plans and prospects in spite of well publicised intentions to keep fans informed etc (d) we have seen a top class manager appointed who must have been aware of what he was coming to and who is (presumably) the one in charge of our current situation. In other words we have conflicting scenarios and no real facts to go on, with most of those we do have being almost exclusively negative. I'm therefore inclined to designate the next 6 weeks a football holiday, during which I'll totally ignore all Saints news and only find out what team I'm supporting the day before the season starts. Feint chance but it's worth a go - anything's better than the current situation which to be frank is giving me a headache. saint christopher
  • Score: 2

1:29pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Berkshire Saint says...

It's soul destroying to see the team being pulled apart in this way. We're left hoping that the board have some kind of supreme masterplan (One that means Saints will indeed be more competitive than last season) up their sleeve.

I know this is the time for calm heads but with the sason kicking off in a few weeks and no concrete rumours on who's coming in, I think we can all be forgiven for feeling just a little: worried, anxious, conerned, let down, frustrated, pessimistic, disillusioned.......
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It's soul destroying to see the team being pulled apart in this way. We're left hoping that the board have some kind of supreme masterplan (One that means Saints will indeed be more competitive than last season) up their sleeve. I know this is the time for calm heads but with the sason kicking off in a few weeks and no concrete rumours on who's coming in, I think we can all be forgiven for feeling just a little: worried, anxious, conerned, let down, frustrated, pessimistic, disillusioned....... .................... ............... Berkshire Saint
  • Score: 6

1:29pm Mon 21 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
The Premiership the FA and the so called elite clubs SKY and the sycophants in the media are quite simply destroying the game as we know it.
Every club outside the big 5 are proving to be just cannon fodder and quite frankly I would rather enjoy the honesty of the Championship than the false hopes harboured by 15 clubs in the Prem which seems to be the best place for the world,s greediest players to pretend to be.
Agree if there not careful they are going to kill the golden goose!
trouble is most kids want instasnt gratification and parents are to weak willed themselves to fight against it..regrettably this will go on forever.
[quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: The Premiership the FA and the so called elite clubs SKY and the sycophants in the media are quite simply destroying the game as we know it. Every club outside the big 5 are proving to be just cannon fodder and quite frankly I would rather enjoy the honesty of the Championship than the false hopes harboured by 15 clubs in the Prem which seems to be the best place for the world,s greediest players to pretend to be.[/p][/quote]Agree if there not careful they are going to kill the golden goose![/p][/quote]trouble is most kids want instasnt gratification and parents are to weak willed themselves to fight against it..regrettably this will go on forever. warrens 76
  • Score: 3

1:30pm Mon 21 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

saint christopher wrote:
Having just logged on after the weekend the words lemmings and headless chickens keep coming come to mind. However so does mushrooms.

The problem we're all facing is that
(a) we're seeing a fine team systematically dismantled in front of our eyes, contrary to everything management promised
(b) we're not seeing the requisite replacement of those players, whilst all our rivals (many with far less money than we have) continue to gaily fill their boots with at least half-decent players
(c) we're not hearing anything about plans and prospects in spite of well publicised intentions to keep fans informed etc
(d) we have seen a top class manager appointed who must have been aware of what he was coming to and who is (presumably) the one in charge of our current situation.

In other words we have conflicting scenarios and no real facts to go on, with most of those we do have being almost exclusively negative.

I'm therefore inclined to designate the next 6 weeks a football holiday, during which I'll totally ignore all Saints news and only find out what team I'm supporting the day before the season starts. Feint chance but it's worth a go - anything's better than the current situation which to be frank is giving me a headache.
A good bet for you would be to support and follow Liverpool, who will at least be in the top 4 at the end of next season ! ! !
[quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: Having just logged on after the weekend the words lemmings and headless chickens keep coming come to mind. However so does mushrooms. The problem we're all facing is that (a) we're seeing a fine team systematically dismantled in front of our eyes, contrary to everything management promised (b) we're not seeing the requisite replacement of those players, whilst all our rivals (many with far less money than we have) continue to gaily fill their boots with at least half-decent players (c) we're not hearing anything about plans and prospects in spite of well publicised intentions to keep fans informed etc (d) we have seen a top class manager appointed who must have been aware of what he was coming to and who is (presumably) the one in charge of our current situation. In other words we have conflicting scenarios and no real facts to go on, with most of those we do have being almost exclusively negative. I'm therefore inclined to designate the next 6 weeks a football holiday, during which I'll totally ignore all Saints news and only find out what team I'm supporting the day before the season starts. Feint chance but it's worth a go - anything's better than the current situation which to be frank is giving me a headache.[/p][/quote]A good bet for you would be to support and follow Liverpool, who will at least be in the top 4 at the end of next season ! ! ! one in the crowd
  • Score: -4

1:31pm Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

saint bartley wrote:
Bitterly disappointed to read this news of Lovren. I thought he might have grasped the challenge of possible captaincy being offered if he decided to stay and help build for the season ahead. Instead I feel that he's let us down and shown himself to be weak and money-grabbing. Wouldn't Liverpool accept Jos Hooiveld instead??!
Come off it Jos is a decent bloke and very enthusiastic about the Saints, I know he is Championship at best, but I would not lumber him by sending to Scouseland, he is worth better than that.
[quote][p][bold]saint bartley[/bold] wrote: Bitterly disappointed to read this news of Lovren. I thought he might have grasped the challenge of possible captaincy being offered if he decided to stay and help build for the season ahead. Instead I feel that he's let us down and shown himself to be weak and money-grabbing. Wouldn't Liverpool accept Jos Hooiveld instead??![/p][/quote]Come off it Jos is a decent bloke and very enthusiastic about the Saints, I know he is Championship at best, but I would not lumber him by sending to Scouseland, he is worth better than that. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

1:33pm Mon 21 Jul 14

canfordcherry says...

SFC1984 wrote:
Surely the FA should be looking at the way all these moves are happening between liverpool and saints !! One player moves ok two move to the same club possibly but 3 surely got to be something wrong!! Tapping up?? Agents??
No, it's ambition!!!
scg Haa, Haa, Haa.
[quote][p][bold]SFC1984[/bold] wrote: Surely the FA should be looking at the way all these moves are happening between liverpool and saints !! One player moves ok two move to the same club possibly but 3 surely got to be something wrong!! Tapping up?? Agents??[/p][/quote]No, it's ambition!!! scg Haa, Haa, Haa. canfordcherry
  • Score: -1

1:34pm Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

one in the crowd wrote:
saint christopher wrote:
Having just logged on after the weekend the words lemmings and headless chickens keep coming come to mind. However so does mushrooms.

The problem we're all facing is that
(a) we're seeing a fine team systematically dismantled in front of our eyes, contrary to everything management promised
(b) we're not seeing the requisite replacement of those players, whilst all our rivals (many with far less money than we have) continue to gaily fill their boots with at least half-decent players
(c) we're not hearing anything about plans and prospects in spite of well publicised intentions to keep fans informed etc
(d) we have seen a top class manager appointed who must have been aware of what he was coming to and who is (presumably) the one in charge of our current situation.

In other words we have conflicting scenarios and no real facts to go on, with most of those we do have being almost exclusively negative.

I'm therefore inclined to designate the next 6 weeks a football holiday, during which I'll totally ignore all Saints news and only find out what team I'm supporting the day before the season starts. Feint chance but it's worth a go - anything's better than the current situation which to be frank is giving me a headache.
A good bet for you would be to support and follow Liverpool, who will at least be in the top 4 at the end of next season ! ! !
Not Champions then, we are letting you have our best players on the cheap to win the League, nothing less is acceptable.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: Having just logged on after the weekend the words lemmings and headless chickens keep coming come to mind. However so does mushrooms. The problem we're all facing is that (a) we're seeing a fine team systematically dismantled in front of our eyes, contrary to everything management promised (b) we're not seeing the requisite replacement of those players, whilst all our rivals (many with far less money than we have) continue to gaily fill their boots with at least half-decent players (c) we're not hearing anything about plans and prospects in spite of well publicised intentions to keep fans informed etc (d) we have seen a top class manager appointed who must have been aware of what he was coming to and who is (presumably) the one in charge of our current situation. In other words we have conflicting scenarios and no real facts to go on, with most of those we do have being almost exclusively negative. I'm therefore inclined to designate the next 6 weeks a football holiday, during which I'll totally ignore all Saints news and only find out what team I'm supporting the day before the season starts. Feint chance but it's worth a go - anything's better than the current situation which to be frank is giving me a headache.[/p][/quote]A good bet for you would be to support and follow Liverpool, who will at least be in the top 4 at the end of next season ! ! ![/p][/quote]Not Champions then, we are letting you have our best players on the cheap to win the League, nothing less is acceptable. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

1:36pm Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

miltonarcher wrote:
The fans are turning ugly
I resemble that remark.......
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: The fans are turning ugly[/p][/quote]I resemble that remark....... OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

1:40pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

another 80 mill in the chubby ones skyrocket come january ,then ,club will be sold.
another 80 mill in the chubby ones skyrocket come january ,then ,club will be sold. Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: -2

1:43pm Mon 21 Jul 14

NiftyNorthy says...

montecristosaint wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Have cork and fonte been offered new deals? This turning into a pantomime.a club reacting rather than be proactive.we have now placed ourselves in an extremely weak bargaining position for future transfers.why sell him now? Why not wait until WE have brought in his replacement? Weak board.mark my words Morgan is next.
Schneiderlin will be the next to go next week followed by Rodriguez. I also think Chambers may be sold. In short all our players are up for sale, it merely a matter of the amount. I strongly suspect there are things going on that we can only suspect, I have always been of the opinion that the club would be stripped then sold.
I am confused why you would asset strip a business - hence substantially de-valuing it - prior to selling it . That would be a really stupid thing to do. With respect the suggestion is Bonkers !!!
The fact is we are victims of our own success. Bigger clubs are after our players who in this world are greedy and show no loyalty. If a player thinks the grass is that much greener elsewhere there is no way to stop them going and keep a happy dressing room - that hat has always been the case. the fact is some of these players were sold an unrealisable fantasy by NC about winning the premiership an the Champions league. MC fell for it too. We need to build a fresh SUSTAIABLE vision, future and team under RK and look to the l not short term .
I am sick of hearing from fans who think they are better qualified to run things but who left in charge would take us down the Leeds path of some years ago. Get behind the Manager and Board and trust they have the Clubs best interest at heart. Why on earth wouldn't they?
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Have cork and fonte been offered new deals? This turning into a pantomime.a club reacting rather than be proactive.we have now placed ourselves in an extremely weak bargaining position for future transfers.why sell him now? Why not wait until WE have brought in his replacement? Weak board.mark my words Morgan is next.[/p][/quote]Schneiderlin will be the next to go next week followed by Rodriguez. I also think Chambers may be sold. In short all our players are up for sale, it merely a matter of the amount. I strongly suspect there are things going on that we can only suspect, I have always been of the opinion that the club would be stripped then sold.[/p][/quote]I am confused why you would asset strip a business - hence substantially de-valuing it - prior to selling it . That would be a really stupid thing to do. With respect the suggestion is Bonkers !!! The fact is we are victims of our own success. Bigger clubs are after our players who in this world are greedy and show no loyalty. If a player thinks the grass is that much greener elsewhere there is no way to stop them going and keep a happy dressing room - that hat has always been the case. the fact is some of these players were sold an unrealisable fantasy by NC about winning the premiership an the Champions league. MC fell for it too. We need to build a fresh SUSTAIABLE vision, future and team under RK and look to the l not short term . I am sick of hearing from fans who think they are better qualified to run things but who left in charge would take us down the Leeds path of some years ago. Get behind the Manager and Board and trust they have the Clubs best interest at heart. Why on earth wouldn't they? NiftyNorthy
  • Score: 3

1:52pm Mon 21 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
saint christopher wrote:
Having just logged on after the weekend the words lemmings and headless chickens keep coming come to mind. However so does mushrooms.

The problem we're all facing is that
(a) we're seeing a fine team systematically dismantled in front of our eyes, contrary to everything management promised
(b) we're not seeing the requisite replacement of those players, whilst all our rivals (many with far less money than we have) continue to gaily fill their boots with at least half-decent players
(c) we're not hearing anything about plans and prospects in spite of well publicised intentions to keep fans informed etc
(d) we have seen a top class manager appointed who must have been aware of what he was coming to and who is (presumably) the one in charge of our current situation.

In other words we have conflicting scenarios and no real facts to go on, with most of those we do have being almost exclusively negative.

I'm therefore inclined to designate the next 6 weeks a football holiday, during which I'll totally ignore all Saints news and only find out what team I'm supporting the day before the season starts. Feint chance but it's worth a go - anything's better than the current situation which to be frank is giving me a headache.
A good bet for you would be to support and follow Liverpool, who will at least be in the top 4 at the end of next season ! ! !
Not Champions then, we are letting you have our best players on the cheap to win the League, nothing less is acceptable.
I meant that being in the top 4 was the very least that saint christopher can expect from Liverpool next season.

If he still supports Saint's then the least he can expect from them is that they are not relegated again.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: Having just logged on after the weekend the words lemmings and headless chickens keep coming come to mind. However so does mushrooms. The problem we're all facing is that (a) we're seeing a fine team systematically dismantled in front of our eyes, contrary to everything management promised (b) we're not seeing the requisite replacement of those players, whilst all our rivals (many with far less money than we have) continue to gaily fill their boots with at least half-decent players (c) we're not hearing anything about plans and prospects in spite of well publicised intentions to keep fans informed etc (d) we have seen a top class manager appointed who must have been aware of what he was coming to and who is (presumably) the one in charge of our current situation. In other words we have conflicting scenarios and no real facts to go on, with most of those we do have being almost exclusively negative. I'm therefore inclined to designate the next 6 weeks a football holiday, during which I'll totally ignore all Saints news and only find out what team I'm supporting the day before the season starts. Feint chance but it's worth a go - anything's better than the current situation which to be frank is giving me a headache.[/p][/quote]A good bet for you would be to support and follow Liverpool, who will at least be in the top 4 at the end of next season ! ! ![/p][/quote]Not Champions then, we are letting you have our best players on the cheap to win the League, nothing less is acceptable.[/p][/quote]I meant that being in the top 4 was the very least that saint christopher can expect from Liverpool next season. If he still supports Saint's then the least he can expect from them is that they are not relegated again. one in the crowd
  • Score: -2

1:57pm Mon 21 Jul 14

thinklikealocal says...

LFCalways wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
LFCalways

Please shut up you are boring the pants off of everybody, you are the number one WUM that also begins with a B, what the hell do you get out of spilling your bile on the Saints Site, why don't you go on LFC Site you stupid undesirable tow rag and wind up the LFC Supporters and spout out your negative opinions of your so called Club or have you already had your name blocked? I intend to attempt to get you blocked and your comments you are very nasty and immature and worse than Gutter Press you must love to be hated.
I never go on any other Club Site but that's me as they are of no interest to me, I cannot predict the score for the first game for Southampton FC at Liverpool but I sincerely hope Saints get 3 points like they did last season with one of the worst goals ever scored and will I gloat like thousands of us including the neutrals, for goodness sake be sensible even if you can't resist posting and you can't be blocked, learn to be diplomatic not down right ignorant and stupid, you are not doing yourself any favours but you get up many honest Southampton Supporters noses including mine and that's only if I see your post name, I do not read your rubbish I only read the response to your nonsense, for goodness sake give it break not a short one as long as you live, us true Saints Supporters can live without your horrible bile as long as we live why don't you try and stop to think the same and Support your Team from the Armchair like you always have it will be so much nicer without you honestly take my word.
I'm not winding anyone up...the signals is all there to see, but you refuse to open your eyes to see it for your beloved saints. You can try and block me but your wasting your time as I'm only saying what everyone else is saying, so you really need to start listening to other comments from saints fans who do see it, instead of playing dumb and won't believe what's going on in your club!
So we only have to take notice of posters who believe (but don't know) that some terrible master plan is currently being rolled out ar SFC? Why? Let's have the evidence? Don't tell us what to do it is very annoying.

I'd concentrate your energies on how LFC are going to cope without the only world class player you had last season. You bottled out of the League title with him, no hope next season. I'd like to bet you will finish minus more places than we will.
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: LFCalways Please shut up you are boring the pants off of everybody, you are the number one WUM that also begins with a B, what the hell do you get out of spilling your bile on the Saints Site, why don't you go on LFC Site you stupid undesirable tow rag and wind up the LFC Supporters and spout out your negative opinions of your so called Club or have you already had your name blocked? I intend to attempt to get you blocked and your comments you are very nasty and immature and worse than Gutter Press you must love to be hated. I never go on any other Club Site but that's me as they are of no interest to me, I cannot predict the score for the first game for Southampton FC at Liverpool but I sincerely hope Saints get 3 points like they did last season with one of the worst goals ever scored and will I gloat like thousands of us including the neutrals, for goodness sake be sensible even if you can't resist posting and you can't be blocked, learn to be diplomatic not down right ignorant and stupid, you are not doing yourself any favours but you get up many honest Southampton Supporters noses including mine and that's only if I see your post name, I do not read your rubbish I only read the response to your nonsense, for goodness sake give it break not a short one as long as you live, us true Saints Supporters can live without your horrible bile as long as we live why don't you try and stop to think the same and Support your Team from the Armchair like you always have it will be so much nicer without you honestly take my word.[/p][/quote]I'm not winding anyone up...the signals is all there to see, but you refuse to open your eyes to see it for your beloved saints. You can try and block me but your wasting your time as I'm only saying what everyone else is saying, so you really need to start listening to other comments from saints fans who do see it, instead of playing dumb and won't believe what's going on in your club![/p][/quote]So we only have to take notice of posters who believe (but don't know) that some terrible master plan is currently being rolled out ar SFC? Why? Let's have the evidence? Don't tell us what to do it is very annoying. I'd concentrate your energies on how LFC are going to cope without the only world class player you had last season. You bottled out of the League title with him, no hope next season. I'd like to bet you will finish minus more places than we will. thinklikealocal
  • Score: 2

1:59pm Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

After a struggle managed to secure the Leverkusen tickets, it seems that they are in great demand judging by the phone line queue, lack of on-line booking isn't helping though and I still spit Osprey feathers at having to pay the extra £2.50 per ticket rather than a one off payment for the transaction.
After a struggle managed to secure the Leverkusen tickets, it seems that they are in great demand judging by the phone line queue, lack of on-line booking isn't helping though and I still spit Osprey feathers at having to pay the extra £2.50 per ticket rather than a one off payment for the transaction. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

1:59pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

miltonarcher wrote:
The fans are turning ugly
No, the ugly one's have always been ugly.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: The fans are turning ugly[/p][/quote]No, the ugly one's have always been ugly. Rising_Son
  • Score: -2

2:01pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

echo1948 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
We are witnessing the systematic dismantling of the team purely for financial gain on Katherina,s part. Those of us with long memories will remember a certain Rupert Lowe doing the same thing and we all remember the aftermath of that episode in Saints history.
Yes, we do recall that particular time in history. First of all, nobody in the print or broadcast media has ever accused Rupert Lowe of benefitting personally from the transfer of players out of Southampton; second, his successors ran the club from £4-million in the black into penury in six months.
Get your facts right before you mouth off.
Yes, sorry about that Dave. I was just trying to use the Lowe situation as a comparison.
Didn't work, did it?
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: We are witnessing the systematic dismantling of the team purely for financial gain on Katherina,s part. Those of us with long memories will remember a certain Rupert Lowe doing the same thing and we all remember the aftermath of that episode in Saints history.[/p][/quote]Yes, we do recall that particular time in history. First of all, nobody in the print or broadcast media has ever accused Rupert Lowe of benefitting personally from the transfer of players out of Southampton; second, his successors ran the club from £4-million in the black into penury in six months. Get your facts right before you mouth off.[/p][/quote]Yes, sorry about that Dave. I was just trying to use the Lowe situation as a comparison.[/p][/quote]Didn't work, did it? Rising_Son
  • Score: -4

2:04pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

What do you expect he wants to go and play for a big club! Southampton are not there yet and probably will never be! Champions league football? get back to reality we are small time! a small club with a small stadium which ended up in a unique position of developing young talent.

It was inevitable once the big boys started sniffing around our elite players! this is football and this is what happens! we simply cannot match what the likes of Liverpool / Man United / Arsenal can offer in terms of club status / club history (competitions).

What is the incentive to stay at Southampton? Push on and try and finish higher than 8th? or double your money and go and Play for a club that has a strong chance of playing top tier football in Europe it's a no brainer to me. Currently we are not at the level of Top tier football.

You cannot stand in a players way if a Elite club comes calling!

As for Southampton I am optimistic I think the board are going to gradually build up the club by nurturing through the youth and buying the odd European talent. Don't expect Transfers reminiscent of the Cortese era. Young English / European / cheap veteran talent is the order of the day.

We are in a win win situation we have Koeman a fantastic manager who likes to work with youth. Which fits the whole ethos of cutting back on outlay / extravagance. Also he probably wants to revamp the team and get in new blood and experienced players who he has knowledge of working with.

It will be a gradual building process think of it as the new 5 year plan the key is to obviously remain in the premiership / keep nurturing bringing the youth through and keep gradually strengthening the team without spending massive amounts of money / signing players who will be loyal to the cause and wont throw toys out the pram i.e Lovren / Osvaldo

Don't be surprised to see if we continue the pattern of shipping out Youth talent for excessive transfer money. People will whinge but in the grand scheme of things it will help the overall progression of the club with enable to strengthen in all areas of the team. We want to become financially comfortable one day the day will come and we will be the big club with the youth talent and in a much stronger postion to tell the big boys to jog on! because we will be one of the big boys! The future is bright the future is red and white! COYRS
What do you expect he wants to go and play for a big club! Southampton are not there yet and probably will never be! Champions league football? get back to reality we are small time! a small club with a small stadium which ended up in a unique position of developing young talent. It was inevitable once the big boys started sniffing around our elite players! this is football and this is what happens! we simply cannot match what the likes of Liverpool / Man United / Arsenal can offer in terms of club status / club history (competitions). What is the incentive to stay at Southampton? Push on and try and finish higher than 8th? or double your money and go and Play for a club that has a strong chance of playing top tier football in Europe it's a no brainer to me. Currently we are not at the level of Top tier football. You cannot stand in a players way if a Elite club comes calling! As for Southampton I am optimistic I think the board are going to gradually build up the club by nurturing through the youth and buying the odd European talent. Don't expect Transfers reminiscent of the Cortese era. Young English / European / cheap veteran talent is the order of the day. We are in a win win situation we have Koeman a fantastic manager who likes to work with youth. Which fits the whole ethos of cutting back on outlay / extravagance. Also he probably wants to revamp the team and get in new blood and experienced players who he has knowledge of working with. It will be a gradual building process think of it as the new 5 year plan the key is to obviously remain in the premiership / keep nurturing bringing the youth through and keep gradually strengthening the team without spending massive amounts of money / signing players who will be loyal to the cause and wont throw toys out the pram i.e Lovren / Osvaldo Don't be surprised to see if we continue the pattern of shipping out Youth talent for excessive transfer money. People will whinge but in the grand scheme of things it will help the overall progression of the club with enable to strengthen in all areas of the team. We want to become financially comfortable one day the day will come and we will be the big club with the youth talent and in a much stronger postion to tell the big boys to jog on! because we will be one of the big boys! The future is bright the future is red and white! COYRS Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 13

2:07pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Wembley76 says...

NiftyNorthy wrote:
montecristosaint wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Have cork and fonte been offered new deals? This turning into a pantomime.a club reacting rather than be proactive.we have now placed ourselves in an extremely weak bargaining position for future transfers.why sell him now? Why not wait until WE have brought in his replacement? Weak board.mark my words Morgan is next.
Schneiderlin will be the next to go next week followed by Rodriguez. I also think Chambers may be sold. In short all our players are up for sale, it merely a matter of the amount. I strongly suspect there are things going on that we can only suspect, I have always been of the opinion that the club would be stripped then sold.
I am confused why you would asset strip a business - hence substantially de-valuing it - prior to selling it . That would be a really stupid thing to do. With respect the suggestion is Bonkers !!!
The fact is we are victims of our own success. Bigger clubs are after our players who in this world are greedy and show no loyalty. If a player thinks the grass is that much greener elsewhere there is no way to stop them going and keep a happy dressing room - that hat has always been the case. the fact is some of these players were sold an unrealisable fantasy by NC about winning the premiership an the Champions league. MC fell for it too. We need to build a fresh SUSTAIABLE vision, future and team under RK and look to the l not short term .
I am sick of hearing from fans who think they are better qualified to run things but who left in charge would take us down the Leeds path of some years ago. Get behind the Manager and Board and trust they have the Clubs best interest at heart. Why on earth wouldn't they?
At last some sanity.....we have known fro weeks that Lovren was going...the board have held out for what is a very good deal for the club....it takes time to reinvest in the 'right players'...we do not want to imitate Spurs with the Bale proceeds last year!! Keep calm and patient and we will end up with a strong, if not stronger team at the start of the season.... See you at the County Ground tonight!!
[quote][p][bold]NiftyNorthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Have cork and fonte been offered new deals? This turning into a pantomime.a club reacting rather than be proactive.we have now placed ourselves in an extremely weak bargaining position for future transfers.why sell him now? Why not wait until WE have brought in his replacement? Weak board.mark my words Morgan is next.[/p][/quote]Schneiderlin will be the next to go next week followed by Rodriguez. I also think Chambers may be sold. In short all our players are up for sale, it merely a matter of the amount. I strongly suspect there are things going on that we can only suspect, I have always been of the opinion that the club would be stripped then sold.[/p][/quote]I am confused why you would asset strip a business - hence substantially de-valuing it - prior to selling it . That would be a really stupid thing to do. With respect the suggestion is Bonkers !!! The fact is we are victims of our own success. Bigger clubs are after our players who in this world are greedy and show no loyalty. If a player thinks the grass is that much greener elsewhere there is no way to stop them going and keep a happy dressing room - that hat has always been the case. the fact is some of these players were sold an unrealisable fantasy by NC about winning the premiership an the Champions league. MC fell for it too. We need to build a fresh SUSTAIABLE vision, future and team under RK and look to the l not short term . I am sick of hearing from fans who think they are better qualified to run things but who left in charge would take us down the Leeds path of some years ago. Get behind the Manager and Board and trust they have the Clubs best interest at heart. Why on earth wouldn't they?[/p][/quote]At last some sanity.....we have known fro weeks that Lovren was going...the board have held out for what is a very good deal for the club....it takes time to reinvest in the 'right players'...we do not want to imitate Spurs with the Bale proceeds last year!! Keep calm and patient and we will end up with a strong, if not stronger team at the start of the season.... See you at the County Ground tonight!! Wembley76
  • Score: 3

2:11pm Mon 21 Jul 14

JanisB says...

This website is not user friendly. And I am not friendly about the continuing exodus of our players!! Sick to death of pussyfooting dickheads who think they are better than our Great Club. I was in the stands with my Dear Old Long gone Dad in the 50's and he would turn in his grave at all this 'F---ing Selfie Crap. Bring on the young lads and kick ARSE on day one against Liverpool. Go Forth the Mighty Saints!!.
Jan B
This website is not user friendly. And I am not friendly about the continuing exodus of our players!! Sick to death of pussyfooting dickheads who think they are better than our Great Club. I was in the stands with my Dear Old Long gone Dad in the 50's and he would turn in his grave at all this 'F---ing Selfie Crap. Bring on the young lads and kick ARSE on day one against Liverpool. Go Forth the Mighty Saints!!. Jan B JanisB
  • Score: 6

2:17pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
What do you expect he wants to go and play for a big club! Southampton are not there yet and probably will never be! Champions league football? get back to reality we are small time! a small club with a small stadium which ended up in a unique position of developing young talent.

It was inevitable once the big boys started sniffing around our elite players! this is football and this is what happens! we simply cannot match what the likes of Liverpool / Man United / Arsenal can offer in terms of club status / club history (competitions).

What is the incentive to stay at Southampton? Push on and try and finish higher than 8th? or double your money and go and Play for a club that has a strong chance of playing top tier football in Europe it's a no brainer to me. Currently we are not at the level of Top tier football.

You cannot stand in a players way if a Elite club comes calling!

As for Southampton I am optimistic I think the board are going to gradually build up the club by nurturing through the youth and buying the odd European talent. Don't expect Transfers reminiscent of the Cortese era. Young English / European / cheap veteran talent is the order of the day.

We are in a win win situation we have Koeman a fantastic manager who likes to work with youth. Which fits the whole ethos of cutting back on outlay / extravagance. Also he probably wants to revamp the team and get in new blood and experienced players who he has knowledge of working with.

It will be a gradual building process think of it as the new 5 year plan the key is to obviously remain in the premiership / keep nurturing bringing the youth through and keep gradually strengthening the team without spending massive amounts of money / signing players who will be loyal to the cause and wont throw toys out the pram i.e Lovren / Osvaldo

Don't be surprised to see if we continue the pattern of shipping out Youth talent for excessive transfer money. People will whinge but in the grand scheme of things it will help the overall progression of the club with enable to strengthen in all areas of the team. We want to become financially comfortable one day the day will come and we will be the big club with the youth talent and in a much stronger postion to tell the big boys to jog on! because we will be one of the big boys! The future is bright the future is red and white! COYRS
Agree almost entirely. I just hope the day when we are financially comfortable enough to tell other 'big' clubs "to jog on!" comes very soon.

By the way, what happened to your parrot? Dis it finally shut up and give you a chance to think?
[quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: What do you expect he wants to go and play for a big club! Southampton are not there yet and probably will never be! Champions league football? get back to reality we are small time! a small club with a small stadium which ended up in a unique position of developing young talent. It was inevitable once the big boys started sniffing around our elite players! this is football and this is what happens! we simply cannot match what the likes of Liverpool / Man United / Arsenal can offer in terms of club status / club history (competitions). What is the incentive to stay at Southampton? Push on and try and finish higher than 8th? or double your money and go and Play for a club that has a strong chance of playing top tier football in Europe it's a no brainer to me. Currently we are not at the level of Top tier football. You cannot stand in a players way if a Elite club comes calling! As for Southampton I am optimistic I think the board are going to gradually build up the club by nurturing through the youth and buying the odd European talent. Don't expect Transfers reminiscent of the Cortese era. Young English / European / cheap veteran talent is the order of the day. We are in a win win situation we have Koeman a fantastic manager who likes to work with youth. Which fits the whole ethos of cutting back on outlay / extravagance. Also he probably wants to revamp the team and get in new blood and experienced players who he has knowledge of working with. It will be a gradual building process think of it as the new 5 year plan the key is to obviously remain in the premiership / keep nurturing bringing the youth through and keep gradually strengthening the team without spending massive amounts of money / signing players who will be loyal to the cause and wont throw toys out the pram i.e Lovren / Osvaldo Don't be surprised to see if we continue the pattern of shipping out Youth talent for excessive transfer money. People will whinge but in the grand scheme of things it will help the overall progression of the club with enable to strengthen in all areas of the team. We want to become financially comfortable one day the day will come and we will be the big club with the youth talent and in a much stronger postion to tell the big boys to jog on! because we will be one of the big boys! The future is bright the future is red and white! COYRS[/p][/quote]Agree almost entirely. I just hope the day when we are financially comfortable enough to tell other 'big' clubs "to jog on!" comes very soon. By the way, what happened to your parrot? Dis it finally shut up and give you a chance to think? Rising_Son
  • Score: 2

2:18pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Dis -> Did
Dis -> Did Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

2:22pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Hobson82 says...

cotswoldsaint wrote:
Even the player was quoted as saying Liverhampton had offered £20m and allegedly Saints were demanding at least £25m so where is this £16m figure coming from all of a sudden? All very strange and, if true, very disappointing (again). I've been trying to stay positive throughout this current debacle but unless something happens soon to change my mind, I'm going to start believing the doom merchants were right all along. Come on Les and Ralph, restore our faith!
Maybe the money is less because Agger is coming as part of the deal. I read on Sky Sports he isn't happy at Liverpool.
[quote][p][bold]cotswoldsaint[/bold] wrote: Even the player was quoted as saying Liverhampton had offered £20m and allegedly Saints were demanding at least £25m so where is this £16m figure coming from all of a sudden? All very strange and, if true, very disappointing (again). I've been trying to stay positive throughout this current debacle but unless something happens soon to change my mind, I'm going to start believing the doom merchants were right all along. Come on Les and Ralph, restore our faith![/p][/quote]Maybe the money is less because Agger is coming as part of the deal. I read on Sky Sports he isn't happy at Liverpool. Hobson82
  • Score: -1

2:30pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
What do you expect he wants to go and play for a big club! Southampton are not there yet and probably will never be! Champions league football? get back to reality we are small time! a small club with a small stadium which ended up in a unique position of developing young talent.

It was inevitable once the big boys started sniffing around our elite players! this is football and this is what happens! we simply cannot match what the likes of Liverpool / Man United / Arsenal can offer in terms of club status / club history (competitions).

What is the incentive to stay at Southampton? Push on and try and finish higher than 8th? or double your money and go and Play for a club that has a strong chance of playing top tier football in Europe it's a no brainer to me. Currently we are not at the level of Top tier football.

You cannot stand in a players way if a Elite club comes calling!

As for Southampton I am optimistic I think the board are going to gradually build up the club by nurturing through the youth and buying the odd European talent. Don't expect Transfers reminiscent of the Cortese era. Young English / European / cheap veteran talent is the order of the day.

We are in a win win situation we have Koeman a fantastic manager who likes to work with youth. Which fits the whole ethos of cutting back on outlay / extravagance. Also he probably wants to revamp the team and get in new blood and experienced players who he has knowledge of working with.

It will be a gradual building process think of it as the new 5 year plan the key is to obviously remain in the premiership / keep nurturing bringing the youth through and keep gradually strengthening the team without spending massive amounts of money / signing players who will be loyal to the cause and wont throw toys out the pram i.e Lovren / Osvaldo

Don't be surprised to see if we continue the pattern of shipping out Youth talent for excessive transfer money. People will whinge but in the grand scheme of things it will help the overall progression of the club with enable to strengthen in all areas of the team. We want to become financially comfortable one day the day will come and we will be the big club with the youth talent and in a much stronger postion to tell the big boys to jog on! because we will be one of the big boys! The future is bright the future is red and white! COYRS
There is no point continuing to ship young talented players out. At some stage a club needs to invest in it's future with a bigger stadium, slightly higher wages, or retention of most of the best layers. If we keep going on the present course - At some point a significant number of the fans start to lose interest in going to all the games, and the younger fans start following the bigger clubs.

At present; we are behaving like a mini Arsenal and continually having to sell our best players by not giving the players the signal that the club is continually moving forward.
[quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: What do you expect he wants to go and play for a big club! Southampton are not there yet and probably will never be! Champions league football? get back to reality we are small time! a small club with a small stadium which ended up in a unique position of developing young talent. It was inevitable once the big boys started sniffing around our elite players! this is football and this is what happens! we simply cannot match what the likes of Liverpool / Man United / Arsenal can offer in terms of club status / club history (competitions). What is the incentive to stay at Southampton? Push on and try and finish higher than 8th? or double your money and go and Play for a club that has a strong chance of playing top tier football in Europe it's a no brainer to me. Currently we are not at the level of Top tier football. You cannot stand in a players way if a Elite club comes calling! As for Southampton I am optimistic I think the board are going to gradually build up the club by nurturing through the youth and buying the odd European talent. Don't expect Transfers reminiscent of the Cortese era. Young English / European / cheap veteran talent is the order of the day. We are in a win win situation we have Koeman a fantastic manager who likes to work with youth. Which fits the whole ethos of cutting back on outlay / extravagance. Also he probably wants to revamp the team and get in new blood and experienced players who he has knowledge of working with. It will be a gradual building process think of it as the new 5 year plan the key is to obviously remain in the premiership / keep nurturing bringing the youth through and keep gradually strengthening the team without spending massive amounts of money / signing players who will be loyal to the cause and wont throw toys out the pram i.e Lovren / Osvaldo Don't be surprised to see if we continue the pattern of shipping out Youth talent for excessive transfer money. People will whinge but in the grand scheme of things it will help the overall progression of the club with enable to strengthen in all areas of the team. We want to become financially comfortable one day the day will come and we will be the big club with the youth talent and in a much stronger postion to tell the big boys to jog on! because we will be one of the big boys! The future is bright the future is red and white! COYRS[/p][/quote]There is no point continuing to ship young talented players out. At some stage a club needs to invest in it's future with a bigger stadium, slightly higher wages, or retention of most of the best layers. If we keep going on the present course - At some point a significant number of the fans start to lose interest in going to all the games, and the younger fans start following the bigger clubs. At present; we are behaving like a mini Arsenal and continually having to sell our best players by not giving the players the signal that the club is continually moving forward. Saints n Winners
  • Score: 4

2:38pm Mon 21 Jul 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
What do you expect he wants to go and play for a big club! Southampton are not there yet and probably will never be! Champions league football? get back to reality we are small time! a small club with a small stadium which ended up in a unique position of developing young talent.

It was inevitable once the big boys started sniffing around our elite players! this is football and this is what happens! we simply cannot match what the likes of Liverpool / Man United / Arsenal can offer in terms of club status / club history (competitions).

What is the incentive to stay at Southampton? Push on and try and finish higher than 8th? or double your money and go and Play for a club that has a strong chance of playing top tier football in Europe it's a no brainer to me. Currently we are not at the level of Top tier football.

You cannot stand in a players way if a Elite club comes calling!

As for Southampton I am optimistic I think the board are going to gradually build up the club by nurturing through the youth and buying the odd European talent. Don't expect Transfers reminiscent of the Cortese era. Young English / European / cheap veteran talent is the order of the day.

We are in a win win situation we have Koeman a fantastic manager who likes to work with youth. Which fits the whole ethos of cutting back on outlay / extravagance. Also he probably wants to revamp the team and get in new blood and experienced players who he has knowledge of working with.

It will be a gradual building process think of it as the new 5 year plan the key is to obviously remain in the premiership / keep nurturing bringing the youth through and keep gradually strengthening the team without spending massive amounts of money / signing players who will be loyal to the cause and wont throw toys out the pram i.e Lovren / Osvaldo

Don't be surprised to see if we continue the pattern of shipping out Youth talent for excessive transfer money. People will whinge but in the grand scheme of things it will help the overall progression of the club with enable to strengthen in all areas of the team. We want to become financially comfortable one day the day will come and we will be the big club with the youth talent and in a much stronger postion to tell the big boys to jog on! because we will be one of the big boys! The future is bright the future is red and white! COYRS
What a ton of turd! Build? For what, exactly? For what!? Apparently Southampton is just a field for harvest by an owner looking to make an easy profit. I am a Southampton fan because my dad was born in the city. I regret to say this, but would never choose to support Southampton under the current conditions. If these are the rules by which the business is run, what positive upside is there for fans of Southampton? There are none. We should almost hope we don't perform too well, else we risk going back to square one. What kind of twisted situation is that! Cheering the opposition on when they score.

The scenario that has played out is almost the worst possible, and it is not over yet. But it has been so obvious to see! Why has the board let it evolve?!

I must admit I am sympathetic now for the "cartel theory", or at least an implicit understanding among the top 6. The top 6 have a real incentive to neutralize threats to their position. Where was out ambition when we needed it...
[quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: What do you expect he wants to go and play for a big club! Southampton are not there yet and probably will never be! Champions league football? get back to reality we are small time! a small club with a small stadium which ended up in a unique position of developing young talent. It was inevitable once the big boys started sniffing around our elite players! this is football and this is what happens! we simply cannot match what the likes of Liverpool / Man United / Arsenal can offer in terms of club status / club history (competitions). What is the incentive to stay at Southampton? Push on and try and finish higher than 8th? or double your money and go and Play for a club that has a strong chance of playing top tier football in Europe it's a no brainer to me. Currently we are not at the level of Top tier football. You cannot stand in a players way if a Elite club comes calling! As for Southampton I am optimistic I think the board are going to gradually build up the club by nurturing through the youth and buying the odd European talent. Don't expect Transfers reminiscent of the Cortese era. Young English / European / cheap veteran talent is the order of the day. We are in a win win situation we have Koeman a fantastic manager who likes to work with youth. Which fits the whole ethos of cutting back on outlay / extravagance. Also he probably wants to revamp the team and get in new blood and experienced players who he has knowledge of working with. It will be a gradual building process think of it as the new 5 year plan the key is to obviously remain in the premiership / keep nurturing bringing the youth through and keep gradually strengthening the team without spending massive amounts of money / signing players who will be loyal to the cause and wont throw toys out the pram i.e Lovren / Osvaldo Don't be surprised to see if we continue the pattern of shipping out Youth talent for excessive transfer money. People will whinge but in the grand scheme of things it will help the overall progression of the club with enable to strengthen in all areas of the team. We want to become financially comfortable one day the day will come and we will be the big club with the youth talent and in a much stronger postion to tell the big boys to jog on! because we will be one of the big boys! The future is bright the future is red and white! COYRS[/p][/quote]What a ton of turd! Build? For what, exactly? For what!? Apparently Southampton is just a field for harvest by an owner looking to make an easy profit. I am a Southampton fan because my dad was born in the city. I regret to say this, but would never choose to support Southampton under the current conditions. If these are the rules by which the business is run, what positive upside is there for fans of Southampton? There are none. We should almost hope we don't perform too well, else we risk going back to square one. What kind of twisted situation is that! Cheering the opposition on when they score. The scenario that has played out is almost the worst possible, and it is not over yet. But it has been so obvious to see! Why has the board let it evolve?! I must admit I am sympathetic now for the "cartel theory", or at least an implicit understanding among the top 6. The top 6 have a real incentive to neutralize threats to their position. Where was out ambition when we needed it... BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: -2

2:39pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
What do you expect he wants to go and play for a big club! Southampton are not there yet and probably will never be! Champions league football? get back to reality we are small time! a small club with a small stadium which ended up in a unique position of developing young talent.

It was inevitable once the big boys started sniffing around our elite players! this is football and this is what happens! we simply cannot match what the likes of Liverpool / Man United / Arsenal can offer in terms of club status / club history (competitions).

What is the incentive to stay at Southampton? Push on and try and finish higher than 8th? or double your money and go and Play for a club that has a strong chance of playing top tier football in Europe it's a no brainer to me. Currently we are not at the level of Top tier football.

You cannot stand in a players way if a Elite club comes calling!

As for Southampton I am optimistic I think the board are going to gradually build up the club by nurturing through the youth and buying the odd European talent. Don't expect Transfers reminiscent of the Cortese era. Young English / European / cheap veteran talent is the order of the day.

We are in a win win situation we have Koeman a fantastic manager who likes to work with youth. Which fits the whole ethos of cutting back on outlay / extravagance. Also he probably wants to revamp the team and get in new blood and experienced players who he has knowledge of working with.

It will be a gradual building process think of it as the new 5 year plan the key is to obviously remain in the premiership / keep nurturing bringing the youth through and keep gradually strengthening the team without spending massive amounts of money / signing players who will be loyal to the cause and wont throw toys out the pram i.e Lovren / Osvaldo

Don't be surprised to see if we continue the pattern of shipping out Youth talent for excessive transfer money. People will whinge but in the grand scheme of things it will help the overall progression of the club with enable to strengthen in all areas of the team. We want to become financially comfortable one day the day will come and we will be the big club with the youth talent and in a much stronger postion to tell the big boys to jog on! because we will be one of the big boys! The future is bright the future is red and white! COYRS
There is no point continuing to ship young talented players out. At some stage a club needs to invest in it's future with a bigger stadium, slightly higher wages, or retention of most of the best layers. If we keep going on the present course - At some point a significant number of the fans start to lose interest in going to all the games, and the younger fans start following the bigger clubs.

At present; we are behaving like a mini Arsenal and continually having to sell our best players by not giving the players the signal that the club is continually moving forward.
Isn't that basically what he's saying? The only difference is that he seems to think it will takes some time before we get in a position to hold on to our players whereas you don't.
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: What do you expect he wants to go and play for a big club! Southampton are not there yet and probably will never be! Champions league football? get back to reality we are small time! a small club with a small stadium which ended up in a unique position of developing young talent. It was inevitable once the big boys started sniffing around our elite players! this is football and this is what happens! we simply cannot match what the likes of Liverpool / Man United / Arsenal can offer in terms of club status / club history (competitions). What is the incentive to stay at Southampton? Push on and try and finish higher than 8th? or double your money and go and Play for a club that has a strong chance of playing top tier football in Europe it's a no brainer to me. Currently we are not at the level of Top tier football. You cannot stand in a players way if a Elite club comes calling! As for Southampton I am optimistic I think the board are going to gradually build up the club by nurturing through the youth and buying the odd European talent. Don't expect Transfers reminiscent of the Cortese era. Young English / European / cheap veteran talent is the order of the day. We are in a win win situation we have Koeman a fantastic manager who likes to work with youth. Which fits the whole ethos of cutting back on outlay / extravagance. Also he probably wants to revamp the team and get in new blood and experienced players who he has knowledge of working with. It will be a gradual building process think of it as the new 5 year plan the key is to obviously remain in the premiership / keep nurturing bringing the youth through and keep gradually strengthening the team without spending massive amounts of money / signing players who will be loyal to the cause and wont throw toys out the pram i.e Lovren / Osvaldo Don't be surprised to see if we continue the pattern of shipping out Youth talent for excessive transfer money. People will whinge but in the grand scheme of things it will help the overall progression of the club with enable to strengthen in all areas of the team. We want to become financially comfortable one day the day will come and we will be the big club with the youth talent and in a much stronger postion to tell the big boys to jog on! because we will be one of the big boys! The future is bright the future is red and white! COYRS[/p][/quote]There is no point continuing to ship young talented players out. At some stage a club needs to invest in it's future with a bigger stadium, slightly higher wages, or retention of most of the best layers. If we keep going on the present course - At some point a significant number of the fans start to lose interest in going to all the games, and the younger fans start following the bigger clubs. At present; we are behaving like a mini Arsenal and continually having to sell our best players by not giving the players the signal that the club is continually moving forward.[/p][/quote]Isn't that basically what he's saying? The only difference is that he seems to think it will takes some time before we get in a position to hold on to our players whereas you don't. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

2:44pm Mon 21 Jul 14

NiftyNorthy says...

Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
What do you expect he wants to go and play for a big club! Southampton are not there yet and probably will never be! Champions league football? get back to reality we are small time! a small club with a small stadium which ended up in a unique position of developing young talent.

It was inevitable once the big boys started sniffing around our elite players! this is football and this is what happens! we simply cannot match what the likes of Liverpool / Man United / Arsenal can offer in terms of club status / club history (competitions).

What is the incentive to stay at Southampton? Push on and try and finish higher than 8th? or double your money and go and Play for a club that has a strong chance of playing top tier football in Europe it's a no brainer to me. Currently we are not at the level of Top tier football.

You cannot stand in a players way if a Elite club comes calling!

As for Southampton I am optimistic I think the board are going to gradually build up the club by nurturing through the youth and buying the odd European talent. Don't expect Transfers reminiscent of the Cortese era. Young English / European / cheap veteran talent is the order of the day.

We are in a win win situation we have Koeman a fantastic manager who likes to work with youth. Which fits the whole ethos of cutting back on outlay / extravagance. Also he probably wants to revamp the team and get in new blood and experienced players who he has knowledge of working with.

It will be a gradual building process think of it as the new 5 year plan the key is to obviously remain in the premiership / keep nurturing bringing the youth through and keep gradually strengthening the team without spending massive amounts of money / signing players who will be loyal to the cause and wont throw toys out the pram i.e Lovren / Osvaldo

Don't be surprised to see if we continue the pattern of shipping out Youth talent for excessive transfer money. People will whinge but in the grand scheme of things it will help the overall progression of the club with enable to strengthen in all areas of the team. We want to become financially comfortable one day the day will come and we will be the big club with the youth talent and in a much stronger postion to tell the big boys to jog on! because we will be one of the big boys! The future is bright the future is red and white! COYRS
I agree with every sensible word - that's every word - you have written. We need more of this considered and non-emotional comment. Like you I think we are on a sure but steady path to sustainable long term glory.
COYR
[quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: What do you expect he wants to go and play for a big club! Southampton are not there yet and probably will never be! Champions league football? get back to reality we are small time! a small club with a small stadium which ended up in a unique position of developing young talent. It was inevitable once the big boys started sniffing around our elite players! this is football and this is what happens! we simply cannot match what the likes of Liverpool / Man United / Arsenal can offer in terms of club status / club history (competitions). What is the incentive to stay at Southampton? Push on and try and finish higher than 8th? or double your money and go and Play for a club that has a strong chance of playing top tier football in Europe it's a no brainer to me. Currently we are not at the level of Top tier football. You cannot stand in a players way if a Elite club comes calling! As for Southampton I am optimistic I think the board are going to gradually build up the club by nurturing through the youth and buying the odd European talent. Don't expect Transfers reminiscent of the Cortese era. Young English / European / cheap veteran talent is the order of the day. We are in a win win situation we have Koeman a fantastic manager who likes to work with youth. Which fits the whole ethos of cutting back on outlay / extravagance. Also he probably wants to revamp the team and get in new blood and experienced players who he has knowledge of working with. It will be a gradual building process think of it as the new 5 year plan the key is to obviously remain in the premiership / keep nurturing bringing the youth through and keep gradually strengthening the team without spending massive amounts of money / signing players who will be loyal to the cause and wont throw toys out the pram i.e Lovren / Osvaldo Don't be surprised to see if we continue the pattern of shipping out Youth talent for excessive transfer money. People will whinge but in the grand scheme of things it will help the overall progression of the club with enable to strengthen in all areas of the team. We want to become financially comfortable one day the day will come and we will be the big club with the youth talent and in a much stronger postion to tell the big boys to jog on! because we will be one of the big boys! The future is bright the future is red and white! COYRS[/p][/quote]I agree with every sensible word - that's every word - you have written. We need more of this considered and non-emotional comment. Like you I think we are on a sure but steady path to sustainable long term glory. COYR NiftyNorthy
  • Score: 1

2:46pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
What do you expect he wants to go and play for a big club! Southampton are not there yet and probably will never be! Champions league football? get back to reality we are small time! a small club with a small stadium which ended up in a unique position of developing young talent.

It was inevitable once the big boys started sniffing around our elite players! this is football and this is what happens! we simply cannot match what the likes of Liverpool / Man United / Arsenal can offer in terms of club status / club history (competitions).

What is the incentive to stay at Southampton? Push on and try and finish higher than 8th? or double your money and go and Play for a club that has a strong chance of playing top tier football in Europe it's a no brainer to me. Currently we are not at the level of Top tier football.

You cannot stand in a players way if a Elite club comes calling!

As for Southampton I am optimistic I think the board are going to gradually build up the club by nurturing through the youth and buying the odd European talent. Don't expect Transfers reminiscent of the Cortese era. Young English / European / cheap veteran talent is the order of the day.

We are in a win win situation we have Koeman a fantastic manager who likes to work with youth. Which fits the whole ethos of cutting back on outlay / extravagance. Also he probably wants to revamp the team and get in new blood and experienced players who he has knowledge of working with.

It will be a gradual building process think of it as the new 5 year plan the key is to obviously remain in the premiership / keep nurturing bringing the youth through and keep gradually strengthening the team without spending massive amounts of money / signing players who will be loyal to the cause and wont throw toys out the pram i.e Lovren / Osvaldo

Don't be surprised to see if we continue the pattern of shipping out Youth talent for excessive transfer money. People will whinge but in the grand scheme of things it will help the overall progression of the club with enable to strengthen in all areas of the team. We want to become financially comfortable one day the day will come and we will be the big club with the youth talent and in a much stronger postion to tell the big boys to jog on! because we will be one of the big boys! The future is bright the future is red and white! COYRS
What a ton of turd! Build? For what, exactly? For what!? Apparently Southampton is just a field for harvest by an owner looking to make an easy profit. I am a Southampton fan because my dad was born in the city. I regret to say this, but would never choose to support Southampton under the current conditions. If these are the rules by which the business is run, what positive upside is there for fans of Southampton? There are none. We should almost hope we don't perform too well, else we risk going back to square one. What kind of twisted situation is that! Cheering the opposition on when they score.

The scenario that has played out is almost the worst possible, and it is not over yet. But it has been so obvious to see! Why has the board let it evolve?!

I must admit I am sympathetic now for the "cartel theory", or at least an implicit understanding among the top 6. The top 6 have a real incentive to neutralize threats to their position. Where was out ambition when we needed it...
If you are sympathetic to the "cartel theory" or similar, why do you think you can question our ambition? Surely, the problem could simply be that we can't safely put our money where our ambition is, without risking doing a Leeds or a poopey.
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: What do you expect he wants to go and play for a big club! Southampton are not there yet and probably will never be! Champions league football? get back to reality we are small time! a small club with a small stadium which ended up in a unique position of developing young talent. It was inevitable once the big boys started sniffing around our elite players! this is football and this is what happens! we simply cannot match what the likes of Liverpool / Man United / Arsenal can offer in terms of club status / club history (competitions). What is the incentive to stay at Southampton? Push on and try and finish higher than 8th? or double your money and go and Play for a club that has a strong chance of playing top tier football in Europe it's a no brainer to me. Currently we are not at the level of Top tier football. You cannot stand in a players way if a Elite club comes calling! As for Southampton I am optimistic I think the board are going to gradually build up the club by nurturing through the youth and buying the odd European talent. Don't expect Transfers reminiscent of the Cortese era. Young English / European / cheap veteran talent is the order of the day. We are in a win win situation we have Koeman a fantastic manager who likes to work with youth. Which fits the whole ethos of cutting back on outlay / extravagance. Also he probably wants to revamp the team and get in new blood and experienced players who he has knowledge of working with. It will be a gradual building process think of it as the new 5 year plan the key is to obviously remain in the premiership / keep nurturing bringing the youth through and keep gradually strengthening the team without spending massive amounts of money / signing players who will be loyal to the cause and wont throw toys out the pram i.e Lovren / Osvaldo Don't be surprised to see if we continue the pattern of shipping out Youth talent for excessive transfer money. People will whinge but in the grand scheme of things it will help the overall progression of the club with enable to strengthen in all areas of the team. We want to become financially comfortable one day the day will come and we will be the big club with the youth talent and in a much stronger postion to tell the big boys to jog on! because we will be one of the big boys! The future is bright the future is red and white! COYRS[/p][/quote]What a ton of turd! Build? For what, exactly? For what!? Apparently Southampton is just a field for harvest by an owner looking to make an easy profit. I am a Southampton fan because my dad was born in the city. I regret to say this, but would never choose to support Southampton under the current conditions. If these are the rules by which the business is run, what positive upside is there for fans of Southampton? There are none. We should almost hope we don't perform too well, else we risk going back to square one. What kind of twisted situation is that! Cheering the opposition on when they score. The scenario that has played out is almost the worst possible, and it is not over yet. But it has been so obvious to see! Why has the board let it evolve?! I must admit I am sympathetic now for the "cartel theory", or at least an implicit understanding among the top 6. The top 6 have a real incentive to neutralize threats to their position. Where was out ambition when we needed it...[/p][/quote]If you are sympathetic to the "cartel theory" or similar, why do you think you can question our ambition? Surely, the problem could simply be that we can't safely put our money where our ambition is, without risking doing a Leeds or a poopey. Rising_Son
  • Score: -2

2:56pm Mon 21 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
What do you expect he wants to go and play for a big club! Southampton are not there yet and probably will never be! Champions league football? get back to reality we are small time! a small club with a small stadium which ended up in a unique position of developing young talent.

It was inevitable once the big boys started sniffing around our elite players! this is football and this is what happens! we simply cannot match what the likes of Liverpool / Man United / Arsenal can offer in terms of club status / club history (competitions).

What is the incentive to stay at Southampton? Push on and try and finish higher than 8th? or double your money and go and Play for a club that has a strong chance of playing top tier football in Europe it's a no brainer to me. Currently we are not at the level of Top tier football.

You cannot stand in a players way if a Elite club comes calling!

As for Southampton I am optimistic I think the board are going to gradually build up the club by nurturing through the youth and buying the odd European talent. Don't expect Transfers reminiscent of the Cortese era. Young English / European / cheap veteran talent is the order of the day.

We are in a win win situation we have Koeman a fantastic manager who likes to work with youth. Which fits the whole ethos of cutting back on outlay / extravagance. Also he probably wants to revamp the team and get in new blood and experienced players who he has knowledge of working with.

It will be a gradual building process think of it as the new 5 year plan the key is to obviously remain in the premiership / keep nurturing bringing the youth through and keep gradually strengthening the team without spending massive amounts of money / signing players who will be loyal to the cause and wont throw toys out the pram i.e Lovren / Osvaldo

Don't be surprised to see if we continue the pattern of shipping out Youth talent for excessive transfer money. People will whinge but in the grand scheme of things it will help the overall progression of the club with enable to strengthen in all areas of the team. We want to become financially comfortable one day the day will come and we will be the big club with the youth talent and in a much stronger postion to tell the big boys to jog on! because we will be one of the big boys! The future is bright the future is red and white! COYRS
Wow!, where did that gem spring from? TU from me.
[quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: What do you expect he wants to go and play for a big club! Southampton are not there yet and probably will never be! Champions league football? get back to reality we are small time! a small club with a small stadium which ended up in a unique position of developing young talent. It was inevitable once the big boys started sniffing around our elite players! this is football and this is what happens! we simply cannot match what the likes of Liverpool / Man United / Arsenal can offer in terms of club status / club history (competitions). What is the incentive to stay at Southampton? Push on and try and finish higher than 8th? or double your money and go and Play for a club that has a strong chance of playing top tier football in Europe it's a no brainer to me. Currently we are not at the level of Top tier football. You cannot stand in a players way if a Elite club comes calling! As for Southampton I am optimistic I think the board are going to gradually build up the club by nurturing through the youth and buying the odd European talent. Don't expect Transfers reminiscent of the Cortese era. Young English / European / cheap veteran talent is the order of the day. We are in a win win situation we have Koeman a fantastic manager who likes to work with youth. Which fits the whole ethos of cutting back on outlay / extravagance. Also he probably wants to revamp the team and get in new blood and experienced players who he has knowledge of working with. It will be a gradual building process think of it as the new 5 year plan the key is to obviously remain in the premiership / keep nurturing bringing the youth through and keep gradually strengthening the team without spending massive amounts of money / signing players who will be loyal to the cause and wont throw toys out the pram i.e Lovren / Osvaldo Don't be surprised to see if we continue the pattern of shipping out Youth talent for excessive transfer money. People will whinge but in the grand scheme of things it will help the overall progression of the club with enable to strengthen in all areas of the team. We want to become financially comfortable one day the day will come and we will be the big club with the youth talent and in a much stronger postion to tell the big boys to jog on! because we will be one of the big boys! The future is bright the future is red and white! COYRS[/p][/quote]Wow!, where did that gem spring from? TU from me. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

3:00pm Mon 21 Jul 14

LFCalways says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
LFCalways wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
LFCalways

Please shut up you are boring the pants off of everybody, you are the number one WUM that also begins with a B, what the hell do you get out of spilling your bile on the Saints Site, why don't you go on LFC Site you stupid undesirable tow rag and wind up the LFC Supporters and spout out your negative opinions of your so called Club or have you already had your name blocked? I intend to attempt to get you blocked and your comments you are very nasty and immature and worse than Gutter Press you must love to be hated.
I never go on any other Club Site but that's me as they are of no interest to me, I cannot predict the score for the first game for Southampton FC at Liverpool but I sincerely hope Saints get 3 points like they did last season with one of the worst goals ever scored and will I gloat like thousands of us including the neutrals, for goodness sake be sensible even if you can't resist posting and you can't be blocked, learn to be diplomatic not down right ignorant and stupid, you are not doing yourself any favours but you get up many honest Southampton Supporters noses including mine and that's only if I see your post name, I do not read your rubbish I only read the response to your nonsense, for goodness sake give it break not a short one as long as you live, us true Saints Supporters can live without your horrible bile as long as we live why don't you try and stop to think the same and Support your Team from the Armchair like you always have it will be so much nicer without you honestly take my word.
I'm not winding anyone up...the signals is all there to see, but you refuse to open your eyes to see it for your beloved saints. You can try and block me but your wasting your time as I'm only saying what everyone else is saying, so you really need to start listening to other comments from saints fans who do see it, instead of playing dumb and won't believe what's going on in your club!
So we only have to take notice of posters who believe (but don't know) that some terrible master plan is currently being rolled out ar SFC? Why? Let's have the evidence? Don't tell us what to do it is very annoying.

I'd concentrate your energies on how LFC are going to cope without the only world class player you had last season. You bottled out of the League title with him, no hope next season. I'd like to bet you will finish minus more places than we will.
Look at the players that gone over last few season and now! Look at your board how many times have you fans asked to be kept informed? God every other fan can see it, and it's not a dig at SFC before you ask! so question why can't you? Answer is you don't want to hear the truth or refuse to hear it, or look at the big picture from the outside and the waves coming from your club! the question how long are you going to live in your little shell before you realise what's going on?
Please if I was in same boat as you guys I would want answers and not BS statements which most chairman/board of all company's do just to keep you quite and hope it blows over.....but again 1 year later starts all over again!
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: LFCalways Please shut up you are boring the pants off of everybody, you are the number one WUM that also begins with a B, what the hell do you get out of spilling your bile on the Saints Site, why don't you go on LFC Site you stupid undesirable tow rag and wind up the LFC Supporters and spout out your negative opinions of your so called Club or have you already had your name blocked? I intend to attempt to get you blocked and your comments you are very nasty and immature and worse than Gutter Press you must love to be hated. I never go on any other Club Site but that's me as they are of no interest to me, I cannot predict the score for the first game for Southampton FC at Liverpool but I sincerely hope Saints get 3 points like they did last season with one of the worst goals ever scored and will I gloat like thousands of us including the neutrals, for goodness sake be sensible even if you can't resist posting and you can't be blocked, learn to be diplomatic not down right ignorant and stupid, you are not doing yourself any favours but you get up many honest Southampton Supporters noses including mine and that's only if I see your post name, I do not read your rubbish I only read the response to your nonsense, for goodness sake give it break not a short one as long as you live, us true Saints Supporters can live without your horrible bile as long as we live why don't you try and stop to think the same and Support your Team from the Armchair like you always have it will be so much nicer without you honestly take my word.[/p][/quote]I'm not winding anyone up...the signals is all there to see, but you refuse to open your eyes to see it for your beloved saints. You can try and block me but your wasting your time as I'm only saying what everyone else is saying, so you really need to start listening to other comments from saints fans who do see it, instead of playing dumb and won't believe what's going on in your club![/p][/quote]So we only have to take notice of posters who believe (but don't know) that some terrible master plan is currently being rolled out ar SFC? Why? Let's have the evidence? Don't tell us what to do it is very annoying. I'd concentrate your energies on how LFC are going to cope without the only world class player you had last season. You bottled out of the League title with him, no hope next season. I'd like to bet you will finish minus more places than we will.[/p][/quote]Look at the players that gone over last few season and now! Look at your board how many times have you fans asked to be kept informed? God every other fan can see it, and it's not a dig at SFC before you ask! so question why can't you? Answer is you don't want to hear the truth or refuse to hear it, or look at the big picture from the outside and the waves coming from your club! the question how long are you going to live in your little shell before you realise what's going on? Please if I was in same boat as you guys I would want answers and not BS statements which most chairman/board of all company's do just to keep you quite and hope it blows over.....but again 1 year later starts all over again! LFCalways
  • Score: 3

3:15pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
What do you expect he wants to go and play for a big club! Southampton are not there yet and probably will never be! Champions league football? get back to reality we are small time! a small club with a small stadium which ended up in a unique position of developing young talent.

It was inevitable once the big boys started sniffing around our elite players! this is football and this is what happens! we simply cannot match what the likes of Liverpool / Man United / Arsenal can offer in terms of club status / club history (competitions).

What is the incentive to stay at Southampton? Push on and try and finish higher than 8th? or double your money and go and Play for a club that has a strong chance of playing top tier football in Europe it's a no brainer to me. Currently we are not at the level of Top tier football.

You cannot stand in a players way if a Elite club comes calling!

As for Southampton I am optimistic I think the board are going to gradually build up the club by nurturing through the youth and buying the odd European talent. Don't expect Transfers reminiscent of the Cortese era. Young English / European / cheap veteran talent is the order of the day.

We are in a win win situation we have Koeman a fantastic manager who likes to work with youth. Which fits the whole ethos of cutting back on outlay / extravagance. Also he probably wants to revamp the team and get in new blood and experienced players who he has knowledge of working with.

It will be a gradual building process think of it as the new 5 year plan the key is to obviously remain in the premiership / keep nurturing bringing the youth through and keep gradually strengthening the team without spending massive amounts of money / signing players who will be loyal to the cause and wont throw toys out the pram i.e Lovren / Osvaldo

Don't be surprised to see if we continue the pattern of shipping out Youth talent for excessive transfer money. People will whinge but in the grand scheme of things it will help the overall progression of the club with enable to strengthen in all areas of the team. We want to become financially comfortable one day the day will come and we will be the big club with the youth talent and in a much stronger postion to tell the big boys to jog on! because we will be one of the big boys! The future is bright the future is red and white! COYRS
There is no point continuing to ship young talented players out. At some stage a club needs to invest in it's future with a bigger stadium, slightly higher wages, or retention of most of the best layers. If we keep going on the present course - At some point a significant number of the fans start to lose interest in going to all the games, and the younger fans start following the bigger clubs.

At present; we are behaving like a mini Arsenal and continually having to sell our best players by not giving the players the signal that the club is continually moving forward.
Isn't that basically what he's saying? The only difference is that he seems to think it will takes some time before we get in a position to hold on to our players whereas you don't.
Offloading Shaw with the recouped money was exceptional. If the management had said then we will bring in quality short term LB cover and also bring Targett into the team as we think he is a prospect; nd then stated we will only let one other player go; he fans would have accepted it.

The problem is - if we ship too many in one go - we disrupt the team, and disillusion too many fans in the process. We may see 4 or 5 of our team shipped out this window . That is not slow progress to me.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: What do you expect he wants to go and play for a big club! Southampton are not there yet and probably will never be! Champions league football? get back to reality we are small time! a small club with a small stadium which ended up in a unique position of developing young talent. It was inevitable once the big boys started sniffing around our elite players! this is football and this is what happens! we simply cannot match what the likes of Liverpool / Man United / Arsenal can offer in terms of club status / club history (competitions). What is the incentive to stay at Southampton? Push on and try and finish higher than 8th? or double your money and go and Play for a club that has a strong chance of playing top tier football in Europe it's a no brainer to me. Currently we are not at the level of Top tier football. You cannot stand in a players way if a Elite club comes calling! As for Southampton I am optimistic I think the board are going to gradually build up the club by nurturing through the youth and buying the odd European talent. Don't expect Transfers reminiscent of the Cortese era. Young English / European / cheap veteran talent is the order of the day. We are in a win win situation we have Koeman a fantastic manager who likes to work with youth. Which fits the whole ethos of cutting back on outlay / extravagance. Also he probably wants to revamp the team and get in new blood and experienced players who he has knowledge of working with. It will be a gradual building process think of it as the new 5 year plan the key is to obviously remain in the premiership / keep nurturing bringing the youth through and keep gradually strengthening the team without spending massive amounts of money / signing players who will be loyal to the cause and wont throw toys out the pram i.e Lovren / Osvaldo Don't be surprised to see if we continue the pattern of shipping out Youth talent for excessive transfer money. People will whinge but in the grand scheme of things it will help the overall progression of the club with enable to strengthen in all areas of the team. We want to become financially comfortable one day the day will come and we will be the big club with the youth talent and in a much stronger postion to tell the big boys to jog on! because we will be one of the big boys! The future is bright the future is red and white! COYRS[/p][/quote]There is no point continuing to ship young talented players out. At some stage a club needs to invest in it's future with a bigger stadium, slightly higher wages, or retention of most of the best layers. If we keep going on the present course - At some point a significant number of the fans start to lose interest in going to all the games, and the younger fans start following the bigger clubs. At present; we are behaving like a mini Arsenal and continually having to sell our best players by not giving the players the signal that the club is continually moving forward.[/p][/quote]Isn't that basically what he's saying? The only difference is that he seems to think it will takes some time before we get in a position to hold on to our players whereas you don't.[/p][/quote]Offloading Shaw with the recouped money was exceptional. If the management had said then we will bring in quality short term LB cover and also bring Targett into the team as we think he is a prospect; nd then stated we will only let one other player go; he fans would have accepted it. The problem is - if we ship too many in one go - we disrupt the team, and disillusion too many fans in the process. We may see 4 or 5 of our team shipped out this window . That is not slow progress to me. Saints n Winners
  • Score: 0

3:17pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
so how come we have generated over 100 million in revenue with player sales and TV money and have only spent 20m tops
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]so how come we have generated over 100 million in revenue with player sales and TV money and have only spent 20m tops Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 1

3:26pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Costa Baz says...

Haven't read all the way through as the usual stances were being taken by the usual suspects.

I would just like to say that there most definitely is a lack of ambition.

Not in the club but in the selfish, self promoting, money grabbing bar stewards, who lack the ambition to reach for a European place, with the team mates they are deserting.
They are not going to "bigger clubs" because they are ambitious. They are going to bigger clubs because they want everything given to them on a plate, NOW, without the need to fight for it.

Feck 'em. Feck 'em all.
Haven't read all the way through as the usual stances were being taken by the usual suspects. I would just like to say that there most definitely is a lack of ambition. Not in the club but in the selfish, self promoting, money grabbing bar stewards, who lack the ambition to reach for a European place, with the team mates they are deserting. They are not going to "bigger clubs" because they are ambitious. They are going to bigger clubs because they want everything given to them on a plate, NOW, without the need to fight for it. Feck 'em. Feck 'em all. Costa Baz
  • Score: 6

3:26pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
What do you expect he wants to go and play for a big club! Southampton are not there yet and probably will never be! Champions league football? get back to reality we are small time! a small club with a small stadium which ended up in a unique position of developing young talent.

It was inevitable once the big boys started sniffing around our elite players! this is football and this is what happens! we simply cannot match what the likes of Liverpool / Man United / Arsenal can offer in terms of club status / club history (competitions).

What is the incentive to stay at Southampton? Push on and try and finish higher than 8th? or double your money and go and Play for a club that has a strong chance of playing top tier football in Europe it's a no brainer to me. Currently we are not at the level of Top tier football.

You cannot stand in a players way if a Elite club comes calling!

As for Southampton I am optimistic I think the board are going to gradually build up the club by nurturing through the youth and buying the odd European talent. Don't expect Transfers reminiscent of the Cortese era. Young English / European / cheap veteran talent is the order of the day.

We are in a win win situation we have Koeman a fantastic manager who likes to work with youth. Which fits the whole ethos of cutting back on outlay / extravagance. Also he probably wants to revamp the team and get in new blood and experienced players who he has knowledge of working with.

It will be a gradual building process think of it as the new 5 year plan the key is to obviously remain in the premiership / keep nurturing bringing the youth through and keep gradually strengthening the team without spending massive amounts of money / signing players who will be loyal to the cause and wont throw toys out the pram i.e Lovren / Osvaldo

Don't be surprised to see if we continue the pattern of shipping out Youth talent for excessive transfer money. People will whinge but in the grand scheme of things it will help the overall progression of the club with enable to strengthen in all areas of the team. We want to become financially comfortable one day the day will come and we will be the big club with the youth talent and in a much stronger postion to tell the big boys to jog on! because we will be one of the big boys! The future is bright the future is red and white! COYRS
There is no point continuing to ship young talented players out. At some stage a club needs to invest in it's future with a bigger stadium, slightly higher wages, or retention of most of the best layers. If we keep going on the present course - At some point a significant number of the fans start to lose interest in going to all the games, and the younger fans start following the bigger clubs.

At present; we are behaving like a mini Arsenal and continually having to sell our best players by not giving the players the signal that the club is continually moving forward.
Isn't that basically what he's saying? The only difference is that he seems to think it will takes some time before we get in a position to hold on to our players whereas you don't.
Offloading Shaw with the recouped money was exceptional. If the management had said then we will bring in quality short term LB cover and also bring Targett into the team as we think he is a prospect; nd then stated we will only let one other player go; he fans would have accepted it.

The problem is - if we ship too many in one go - we disrupt the team, and disillusion too many fans in the process. We may see 4 or 5 of our team shipped out this window . That is not slow progress to me.
It's not ideal, I agree. I would have preferred everyone to have stayed but, if we can get decent replacements for those who leave, we might make progress (or at least not regress too much) and give ourselves something to build on for the future.

I tend towards long-term optimism even when things are not looking particularly good in the short term. I find it brightens up a miserable day reading the posts on this thread.
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: What do you expect he wants to go and play for a big club! Southampton are not there yet and probably will never be! Champions league football? get back to reality we are small time! a small club with a small stadium which ended up in a unique position of developing young talent. It was inevitable once the big boys started sniffing around our elite players! this is football and this is what happens! we simply cannot match what the likes of Liverpool / Man United / Arsenal can offer in terms of club status / club history (competitions). What is the incentive to stay at Southampton? Push on and try and finish higher than 8th? or double your money and go and Play for a club that has a strong chance of playing top tier football in Europe it's a no brainer to me. Currently we are not at the level of Top tier football. You cannot stand in a players way if a Elite club comes calling! As for Southampton I am optimistic I think the board are going to gradually build up the club by nurturing through the youth and buying the odd European talent. Don't expect Transfers reminiscent of the Cortese era. Young English / European / cheap veteran talent is the order of the day. We are in a win win situation we have Koeman a fantastic manager who likes to work with youth. Which fits the whole ethos of cutting back on outlay / extravagance. Also he probably wants to revamp the team and get in new blood and experienced players who he has knowledge of working with. It will be a gradual building process think of it as the new 5 year plan the key is to obviously remain in the premiership / keep nurturing bringing the youth through and keep gradually strengthening the team without spending massive amounts of money / signing players who will be loyal to the cause and wont throw toys out the pram i.e Lovren / Osvaldo Don't be surprised to see if we continue the pattern of shipping out Youth talent for excessive transfer money. People will whinge but in the grand scheme of things it will help the overall progression of the club with enable to strengthen in all areas of the team. We want to become financially comfortable one day the day will come and we will be the big club with the youth talent and in a much stronger postion to tell the big boys to jog on! because we will be one of the big boys! The future is bright the future is red and white! COYRS[/p][/quote]There is no point continuing to ship young talented players out. At some stage a club needs to invest in it's future with a bigger stadium, slightly higher wages, or retention of most of the best layers. If we keep going on the present course - At some point a significant number of the fans start to lose interest in going to all the games, and the younger fans start following the bigger clubs. At present; we are behaving like a mini Arsenal and continually having to sell our best players by not giving the players the signal that the club is continually moving forward.[/p][/quote]Isn't that basically what he's saying? The only difference is that he seems to think it will takes some time before we get in a position to hold on to our players whereas you don't.[/p][/quote]Offloading Shaw with the recouped money was exceptional. If the management had said then we will bring in quality short term LB cover and also bring Targett into the team as we think he is a prospect; nd then stated we will only let one other player go; he fans would have accepted it. The problem is - if we ship too many in one go - we disrupt the team, and disillusion too many fans in the process. We may see 4 or 5 of our team shipped out this window . That is not slow progress to me.[/p][/quote]It's not ideal, I agree. I would have preferred everyone to have stayed but, if we can get decent replacements for those who leave, we might make progress (or at least not regress too much) and give ourselves something to build on for the future. I tend towards long-term optimism even when things are not looking particularly good in the short term. I find it brightens up a miserable day reading the posts on this thread. Rising_Son
  • Score: -3

3:27pm Mon 21 Jul 14

bbb001 says...

Just a quick thought , maybe Ronko let Lovren go because he has highlighted a couple of CBs he feels are better than the moneygrabbing tw*t. I see Saints are 6/4 favourites to sign Ron Vlaar. I for one will keep an open mind on whats happening until the fat lady sings.
Just a quick thought , maybe Ronko let Lovren go because he has highlighted a couple of CBs he feels are better than the moneygrabbing tw*t. I see Saints are 6/4 favourites to sign Ron Vlaar. I for one will keep an open mind on whats happening until the fat lady sings. bbb001
  • Score: 2

3:30pm Mon 21 Jul 14

thinklikealocal says...

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.
You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.
I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are!
It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,
Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?
so how come we have generated over 100 million in revenue with player sales and TV money and have only spent 20m tops
You are presenting unfair stats. Money is not just spent on buying players. The club never said revenue from sources other than player sales would be used to buy players. We've just spent £30m on a new training ground.
[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Unless radical changes are made to the premier league regulations in terms of caps on pay + foreign imports, clubs like Southampton will continue to be raped by the perceived bigger clubs. Unfortunately, I cannot see any change happening, so we will continue to see this occurring to our great club.[/p][/quote]You are right and the European Fair play rules only benefit the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I'm getting sick of this excuse. Yes, they probably benefit the top four but there are 16 other clubs in the Prem and none of them are having the problems we are![/p][/quote]It's not an excuse,it is a fact the more revenue you generate the more you can spend, so clubs like saints,WBA, Palace and Burnley etc, etc will always be in the shadow of the big clubs,[/p][/quote]Yep. So how come no one else is being dismantled?[/p][/quote]so how come we have generated over 100 million in revenue with player sales and TV money and have only spent 20m tops[/p][/quote]You are presenting unfair stats. Money is not just spent on buying players. The club never said revenue from sources other than player sales would be used to buy players. We've just spent £30m on a new training ground. thinklikealocal
  • Score: -1

3:30pm Mon 21 Jul 14

milton road says...

This site is so clapped out with spam.
Take away Saints first 10 games of their first season because it was an unknown. The last 28 games conceded 32 goals. For most the partnership was Fonte and Yoshida
Take away the first 10 last season where we actually excelled. Take the last 28 and we conceded 39 goals with Fonte and Lovren as the main partnership.
When a paper said last season that since Saints had lost Wanyama with an injury they had started to ship goals, I thought right, yet it was no coincidence, as soon as he was fully fit the goals against column started to dry up again.
Yes Lovren is a good player but not a great player and if you ever watched match of the day last season the amount of poor tackles and shirt pulls he got away with in and around the box was surprising. At times he really struggled, in fairness mainly because Shaw was still half way up the pitch and the bacl had been played in behind him on a fast counter.
Once Fonte and Yoshida formed a partnership in our first season it is that which stabilised us after most of the first ten games had been Hoov and Fonte and as much as anything was the factor of our survival.
Last season he played against Villa and got caught out because he was game rusty. He was crucified for it by a section of fans on here, yet the other times he played he played really well. I still rate him on a level with Lovren sure his style is different, yet I do not think he will let us down.

How much did Poch actually improve the team? They played good football under Adkins which was praised by the media all he did was press it slightly further up field. he had the benefit of a team with a year in the premiership under its belt. Sure he came in towards the end of the previous season but Adkins had already done what seemed impossible after only 4pts form the first ten games, got us out of the bottom three. When Poch took over we were gathering momentum to move away from the bottom three, but we never really did after that in fact we were in danger until the last two games.

The last 28 games on both seasons drew a total of 37 points.

I haven't turned against Poch cos he left or Lovren cos I was saying these things last season. Yes they both did a good job but they are not quite as fantastic as the media made out when you look at it in the cold light of day.
Rumors that Poch had his clique of players seems ever more true and these are the ones that have got their panties in a bunch and want out.
Yes I enjoyed our football under Poch but at times it was shown up to be naive as was his management. Examples 2 up at Sunderland and Spurs and let it slip, sending reserves out in two cup comps that could of seen us at Wembley and in the Europa Cup but Poch of course spouted that the Europa Cup was too demanding and he didn't want his players distracted by it. Then went off and joined a club in the Europe Cup. If we had qualified for that the chances are no one would of left bar maybe Poch.
This site is so clapped out with spam. Take away Saints first 10 games of their first season because it was an unknown. The last 28 games conceded 32 goals. For most the partnership was Fonte and Yoshida Take away the first 10 last season where we actually excelled. Take the last 28 and we conceded 39 goals with Fonte and Lovren as the main partnership. When a paper said last season that since Saints had lost Wanyama with an injury they had started to ship goals, I thought right, yet it was no coincidence, as soon as he was fully fit the goals against column started to dry up again. Yes Lovren is a good player but not a great player and if you ever watched match of the day last season the amount of poor tackles and shirt pulls he got away with in and around the box was surprising. At times he really struggled, in fairness mainly because Shaw was still half way up the pitch and the bacl had been played in behind him on a fast counter. Once Fonte and Yoshida formed a partnership in our first season it is that which stabilised us after most of the first ten games had been Hoov and Fonte and as much as anything was the factor of our survival. Last season he played against Villa and got caught out because he was game rusty. He was crucified for it by a section of fans on here, yet the other times he played he played really well. I still rate him on a level with Lovren sure his style is different, yet I do not think he will let us down. How much did Poch actually improve the team? They played good football under Adkins which was praised by the media all he did was press it slightly further up field. he had the benefit of a team with a year in the premiership under its belt. Sure he came in towards the end of the previous season but Adkins had already done what seemed impossible after only 4pts form the first ten games, got us out of the bottom three. When Poch took over we were gathering momentum to move away from the bottom three, but we never really did after that in fact we were in danger until the last two games. The last 28 games on both seasons drew a total of 37 points. I haven't turned against Poch cos he left or Lovren cos I was saying these things last season. Yes they both did a good job but they are not quite as fantastic as the media made out when you look at it in the cold light of day. Rumors that Poch had his clique of players seems ever more true and these are the ones that have got their panties in a bunch and want out. Yes I enjoyed our football under Poch but at times it was shown up to be naive as was his management. Examples 2 up at Sunderland and Spurs and let it slip, sending reserves out in two cup comps that could of seen us at Wembley and in the Europa Cup but Poch of course spouted that the Europa Cup was too demanding and he didn't want his players distracted by it. Then went off and joined a club in the Europe Cup. If we had qualified for that the chances are no one would of left bar maybe Poch. milton road
  • Score: 7

3:32pm Mon 21 Jul 14

thinklikealocal says...

LFCalways wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
LFCalways wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
LFCalways

Please shut up you are boring the pants off of everybody, you are the number one WUM that also begins with a B, what the hell do you get out of spilling your bile on the Saints Site, why don't you go on LFC Site you stupid undesirable tow rag and wind up the LFC Supporters and spout out your negative opinions of your so called Club or have you already had your name blocked? I intend to attempt to get you blocked and your comments you are very nasty and immature and worse than Gutter Press you must love to be hated.
I never go on any other Club Site but that's me as they are of no interest to me, I cannot predict the score for the first game for Southampton FC at Liverpool but I sincerely hope Saints get 3 points like they did last season with one of the worst goals ever scored and will I gloat like thousands of us including the neutrals, for goodness sake be sensible even if you can't resist posting and you can't be blocked, learn to be diplomatic not down right ignorant and stupid, you are not doing yourself any favours but you get up many honest Southampton Supporters noses including mine and that's only if I see your post name, I do not read your rubbish I only read the response to your nonsense, for goodness sake give it break not a short one as long as you live, us true Saints Supporters can live without your horrible bile as long as we live why don't you try and stop to think the same and Support your Team from the Armchair like you always have it will be so much nicer without you honestly take my word.
I'm not winding anyone up...the signals is all there to see, but you refuse to open your eyes to see it for your beloved saints. You can try and block me but your wasting your time as I'm only saying what everyone else is saying, so you really need to start listening to other comments from saints fans who do see it, instead of playing dumb and won't believe what's going on in your club!
So we only have to take notice of posters who believe (but don't know) that some terrible master plan is currently being rolled out ar SFC? Why? Let's have the evidence? Don't tell us what to do it is very annoying.

I'd concentrate your energies on how LFC are going to cope without the only world class player you had last season. You bottled out of the League title with him, no hope next season. I'd like to bet you will finish minus more places than we will.
Look at the players that gone over last few season and now! Look at your board how many times have you fans asked to be kept informed? God every other fan can see it, and it's not a dig at SFC before you ask! so question why can't you? Answer is you don't want to hear the truth or refuse to hear it, or look at the big picture from the outside and the waves coming from your club! the question how long are you going to live in your little shell before you realise what's going on?
Please if I was in same boat as you guys I would want answers and not BS statements which most chairman/board of all company's do just to keep you quite and hope it blows over.....but again 1 year later starts all over again!
So what is going on then? Spell it out for me. put your cards on the table. I'm shaking with anticipation.....
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: LFCalways Please shut up you are boring the pants off of everybody, you are the number one WUM that also begins with a B, what the hell do you get out of spilling your bile on the Saints Site, why don't you go on LFC Site you stupid undesirable tow rag and wind up the LFC Supporters and spout out your negative opinions of your so called Club or have you already had your name blocked? I intend to attempt to get you blocked and your comments you are very nasty and immature and worse than Gutter Press you must love to be hated. I never go on any other Club Site but that's me as they are of no interest to me, I cannot predict the score for the first game for Southampton FC at Liverpool but I sincerely hope Saints get 3 points like they did last season with one of the worst goals ever scored and will I gloat like thousands of us including the neutrals, for goodness sake be sensible even if you can't resist posting and you can't be blocked, learn to be diplomatic not down right ignorant and stupid, you are not doing yourself any favours but you get up many honest Southampton Supporters noses including mine and that's only if I see your post name, I do not read your rubbish I only read the response to your nonsense, for goodness sake give it break not a short one as long as you live, us true Saints Supporters can live without your horrible bile as long as we live why don't you try and stop to think the same and Support your Team from the Armchair like you always have it will be so much nicer without you honestly take my word.[/p][/quote]I'm not winding anyone up...the signals is all there to see, but you refuse to open your eyes to see it for your beloved saints. You can try and block me but your wasting your time as I'm only saying what everyone else is saying, so you really need to start listening to other comments from saints fans who do see it, instead of playing dumb and won't believe what's going on in your club![/p][/quote]So we only have to take notice of posters who believe (but don't know) that some terrible master plan is currently being rolled out ar SFC? Why? Let's have the evidence? Don't tell us what to do it is very annoying. I'd concentrate your energies on how LFC are going to cope without the only world class player you had last season. You bottled out of the League title with him, no hope next season. I'd like to bet you will finish minus more places than we will.[/p][/quote]Look at the players that gone over last few season and now! Look at your board how many times have you fans asked to be kept informed? God every other fan can see it, and it's not a dig at SFC before you ask! so question why can't you? Answer is you don't want to hear the truth or refuse to hear it, or look at the big picture from the outside and the