RUMOUR MILL, July 22 - Saints reported to bid £7.5m for England keeper Fraser Forster

Fraser Forster

Fraser Forster

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SAINTS are reported to have made a £7.5m bid for England goalkeeper Fraser Forster.

The Celtic shot-stopper has continually been linked with a move to St Mary’s since Saints appointed Dave Watson as their new goalkeeping coach last month.

Watson has worked with Forster at international level.

Celtic are believed to want around £9m for Forster, who they signed from Newcastle for just £2m two years ago.

Celtic must pay 25 per cent of any fee they receive for the keeper to Newcastle.

The Daily Echo reported the day after Koeman was appointed Saints boss in mid June that a new goalkeeper was one of his main priorities.

Polish international Artur Boruc, who is also a former Celtic keeper, was the club’s regular No 1 under Mauricio Pochettino last season.

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11:15am Tue 22 Jul 14

Malcombe says...

I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC
I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC Malcombe
  • Score: 0

11:17am Tue 22 Jul 14

hdsaint says...

Would be an excellent signing for us. Top goalkeeper, young, English, international and Champions League experience, would be our number one for years. A move to the Premier League would also improve him and his chances of becoming a regular for England.

He'll be a Forster be reckoned with.
Would be an excellent signing for us. Top goalkeeper, young, English, international and Champions League experience, would be our number one for years. A move to the Premier League would also improve him and his chances of becoming a regular for England. He'll be a Forster be reckoned with. hdsaint
  • Score: 62

11:19am Tue 22 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Sounds like a positive move to me.
Sounds like a positive move to me. Rising_Son
  • Score: 37

11:25am Tue 22 Jul 14

Bazultra says...

Get him now thanks
Get him now thanks Bazultra
  • Score: 26

11:27am Tue 22 Jul 14

The stripes says...

Malcombe wrote:
I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC
Nice one Malcome, completely agree and this would be a good signing if we get him. I wonder about Boruc? Haven't heard much about him recently though I know he's not been back long.
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC[/p][/quote]Nice one Malcome, completely agree and this would be a good signing if we get him. I wonder about Boruc? Haven't heard much about him recently though I know he's not been back long. The stripes
  • Score: -5

11:48am Tue 22 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

Apart from a couple of high profile c0ck ups Boruc was excellent last season.
If we buy Forster, he will more than likely be our new no:1.
Boruc will probably a bit miffed and leave the club, leaving us in exactly the same situation, one great keeper backed up by a couple of not so good keepers (I am being quite nice here).
Boruc is not the sort of person to warm a bench, he is too good for that.

It's a bit of a dilemma.
Apart from a couple of high profile c0ck ups Boruc was excellent last season. If we buy Forster, he will more than likely be our new no:1. Boruc will probably a bit miffed and leave the club, leaving us in exactly the same situation, one great keeper backed up by a couple of not so good keepers (I am being quite nice here). Boruc is not the sort of person to warm a bench, he is too good for that. It's a bit of a dilemma. costa gaz
  • Score: 36

11:48am Tue 22 Jul 14

Confucious says...

Hope it's true, but let's face it we're all having to live in ignorance about what's going on at St Marys. But if ignorance is bliss, why isn't everybody happy.
Hope it's true, but let's face it we're all having to live in ignorance about what's going on at St Marys. But if ignorance is bliss, why isn't everybody happy. Confucious
  • Score: 22

11:50am Tue 22 Jul 14

jasons odd says...

Malcombe wrote:
I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC
Im sure your the type who had 100% confidence in rupert lowe , wilde , poortvliet , harry etc etc
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC[/p][/quote]Im sure your the type who had 100% confidence in rupert lowe , wilde , poortvliet , harry etc etc jasons odd
  • Score: -2

11:55am Tue 22 Jul 14

bbb001 says...

hdsaint wrote:
Would be an excellent signing for us. Top goalkeeper, young, English, international and Champions League experience, would be our number one for years. A move to the Premier League would also improve him and his chances of becoming a regular for England.

He'll be a Forster be reckoned with.
The trouble with him becoming a regulat England starter is that Liverhampton will try to sign him.
[quote][p][bold]hdsaint[/bold] wrote: Would be an excellent signing for us. Top goalkeeper, young, English, international and Champions League experience, would be our number one for years. A move to the Premier League would also improve him and his chances of becoming a regular for England. He'll be a Forster be reckoned with.[/p][/quote]The trouble with him becoming a regulat England starter is that Liverhampton will try to sign him. bbb001
  • Score: 16

12:01pm Tue 22 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

FIGHT AND WIN.

BE TENACIOUS AND GET FRASER FORSTER IN.

If you lined up STAMP YOUR FEET LALA (won't play - can't play) .... lambert shaw and JUDAS MP ..... and Kelvin Davis.

I WOULD ONLY STAND AND CLAP KELVIN FOR HIS LOYALTY.

WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON COYR+WS
FIGHT AND WIN. BE TENACIOUS AND GET FRASER FORSTER IN. If you lined up STAMP YOUR FEET LALA (won't play - can't play) .... lambert shaw and JUDAS MP ..... and Kelvin Davis. I WOULD ONLY STAND AND CLAP KELVIN FOR HIS LOYALTY. WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 7

12:03pm Tue 22 Jul 14

elvis says...

Fantastic signing if we can get it over the line.
Fantastic signing if we can get it over the line. elvis
  • Score: 11

12:08pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Malcombe wrote:
I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC
Some people have lower standards than others I suppose.
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC[/p][/quote]Some people have lower standards than others I suppose. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -3

12:14pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
FIGHT AND WIN.

BE TENACIOUS AND GET FRASER FORSTER IN.

If you lined up STAMP YOUR FEET LALA (won't play - can't play) .... lambert shaw and JUDAS MP ..... and Kelvin Davis.

I WOULD ONLY STAND AND CLAP KELVIN FOR HIS LOYALTY.

WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON COYR+WS
Have you got Tourette's?
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: FIGHT AND WIN. BE TENACIOUS AND GET FRASER FORSTER IN. If you lined up STAMP YOUR FEET LALA (won't play - can't play) .... lambert shaw and JUDAS MP ..... and Kelvin Davis. I WOULD ONLY STAND AND CLAP KELVIN FOR HIS LOYALTY. WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Have you got Tourette's? Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -5

12:15pm Tue 22 Jul 14

donni1437 says...

This would be good
This would be good donni1437
  • Score: 7

12:16pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Bigrich1980 says...

This will be a good signing and if we look at what is rumoured out there we are very busy on the transfer front apparently we are linked with

Vlaar
De Vrig
Roja
Caulker

In all fairness if we sign 2 of the above 4 our defence will be stronger than it was last season.

I think that people are worrying for no reason at the moment, we still have a good starting XI and rebuilding takes time.
This will be a good signing and if we look at what is rumoured out there we are very busy on the transfer front apparently we are linked with Vlaar De Vrig Roja Caulker In all fairness if we sign 2 of the above 4 our defence will be stronger than it was last season. I think that people are worrying for no reason at the moment, we still have a good starting XI and rebuilding takes time. Bigrich1980
  • Score: 8

12:23pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Mister E says...

jasons odd wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC
Im sure your the type who had 100% confidence in rupert lowe , wilde , poortvliet , harry etc etc
We have to trust them, don't we?
RK is no fool and he chose to come here working with the Board and Les!
Do some posters on here really think that the silence from the Club means they're all sitting around with there thumbs up their backsides?
That they're doing nothing, literally waiting for something to react to?
Yes, I am frustrated as the next fan and have the same concerns. But I would be far more concerned if we had started splashing the cash as soon as RK arrived as he'd have little time to assess the players here and even less time to assess who was being brought in!
Have opinions by all means, disagree with me (hard as it for me to admit I'm not always right!) but can we stay within reason and not take giant leaps to conclusions.
But above all, fans will have different opinions so respect that and let's stop with the childish and puerile name calling!
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC[/p][/quote]Im sure your the type who had 100% confidence in rupert lowe , wilde , poortvliet , harry etc etc[/p][/quote]We have to trust them, don't we? RK is no fool and he chose to come here working with the Board and Les! Do some posters on here really think that the silence from the Club means they're all sitting around with there thumbs up their backsides? That they're doing nothing, literally waiting for something to react to? Yes, I am frustrated as the next fan and have the same concerns. But I would be far more concerned if we had started splashing the cash as soon as RK arrived as he'd have little time to assess the players here and even less time to assess who was being brought in! Have opinions by all means, disagree with me (hard as it for me to admit I'm not always right!) but can we stay within reason and not take giant leaps to conclusions. But above all, fans will have different opinions so respect that and let's stop with the childish and puerile name calling! Mister E
  • Score: 30

12:30pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Mister E says...

Mister E wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC
Im sure your the type who had 100% confidence in rupert lowe , wilde , poortvliet , harry etc etc
We have to trust them, don't we?
RK is no fool and he chose to come here working with the Board and Les!
Do some posters on here really think that the silence from the Club means they're all sitting around with there thumbs up their backsides?
That they're doing nothing, literally waiting for something to react to?
Yes, I am frustrated as the next fan and have the same concerns. But I would be far more concerned if we had started splashing the cash as soon as RK arrived as he'd have little time to assess the players here and even less time to assess who was being brought in!
Have opinions by all means, disagree with me (hard as it for me to admit I'm not always right!) but can we stay within reason and not take giant leaps to conclusions.
But above all, fans will have different opinions so respect that and let's stop with the childish and puerile name calling!
Sorry Jasons odd, this rant of mine is a result of me reading the other threads then reading this one. I appreciate you've not called Malcombe any names.
[quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC[/p][/quote]Im sure your the type who had 100% confidence in rupert lowe , wilde , poortvliet , harry etc etc[/p][/quote]We have to trust them, don't we? RK is no fool and he chose to come here working with the Board and Les! Do some posters on here really think that the silence from the Club means they're all sitting around with there thumbs up their backsides? That they're doing nothing, literally waiting for something to react to? Yes, I am frustrated as the next fan and have the same concerns. But I would be far more concerned if we had started splashing the cash as soon as RK arrived as he'd have little time to assess the players here and even less time to assess who was being brought in! Have opinions by all means, disagree with me (hard as it for me to admit I'm not always right!) but can we stay within reason and not take giant leaps to conclusions. But above all, fans will have different opinions so respect that and let's stop with the childish and puerile name calling![/p][/quote]Sorry Jasons odd, this rant of mine is a result of me reading the other threads then reading this one. I appreciate you've not called Malcombe any names. Mister E
  • Score: 9

12:33pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Malcombe says...

jasons odd

Did I have 100% confidence in Rupert Lowe, Poorvliet, Wiide, Harry etc etc did you? You know me do you and know what I think? Being as you have posted absolute nonsense and it's offensive I will not answer that question but treat your comments with the contempt it deserves and reserve my judgement of you because as far I know I do not know you, NEXT
jasons odd Did I have 100% confidence in Rupert Lowe, Poorvliet, Wiide, Harry etc etc did you? You know me do you and know what I think? Being as you have posted absolute nonsense and it's offensive I will not answer that question but treat your comments with the contempt it deserves and reserve my judgement of you because as far I know I do not know you, NEXT Malcombe
  • Score: -4

12:37pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Dave Juson says...

Confucious wrote:
Hope it's true, but let's face it we're all having to live in ignorance about what's going on at St Marys. But if ignorance is bliss, why isn't everybody happy.
They don't believe they are ignorant. Indeed, most of the whiners on here are convinced they know more about what is going on at St Mary’s than the coaching staff or the Southampton board.
Some are innately unhappy and determined that we should be too.
Other, I suspect, may be pharmaceutical manufacturers. Anti- depressants are a lucrative business.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Hope it's true, but let's face it we're all having to live in ignorance about what's going on at St Marys. But if ignorance is bliss, why isn't everybody happy.[/p][/quote]They don't believe they are ignorant. Indeed, most of the whiners on here are convinced they know more about what is going on at St Mary’s than the coaching staff or the Southampton board. Some are innately unhappy and determined that we should be too. Other, I suspect, may be pharmaceutical manufacturers. Anti- depressants are a lucrative business. Dave Juson
  • Score: -5

12:49pm Tue 22 Jul 14

CheltenhamSaint says...

I wonder if all Saints fans are as deluded as most of those on here. I appreciate loyalty can do funny things to the brain, but here's the thing....

Every club in the world bar maybe Barca and Real are selling clubs IF the price is right (PSG and Man City possibly but their resolve hasnt really been tested yet). So why on earth wouldnt Saints be one too? I was a bit disappointed how easily we let Lambert go, but we got way over the market value for Shaw and Lallana. We have to realise that any player who sees Saints as the ultimate pinnacle of what they can achieve doesnt have the hunger we demand. I know that's tough to accept, but it's true. It's far better to place your loyalty with the club, rather than a guy who is only ever going to be interested in their own career. If Pelle & Tadic prove to be adequate replacements then we have done excellent business. And we should definitely be able to replace Shaw quite easily for the money we got - not necessarily in relation to what he could have been, but what he is right now.

But there's more to it than that. The examples of Lallana and Shaw (and Morgan/Lovren if we get crazy bids for them too) or the ones parents will look at when deciding which club is right for their talented child. Come to Saints, let their academy train you and grow with their first team - one day you too could play at Old Trafford or Anfield. I'm afraid to a neutral looking for the best career possible, its better than the prospect of being held to a long contract until over half your career is behind you. It is the best way of attracting the brightest young prospects to the club.

I am afraid we are a long way behind the leading clubs in this country. We could try to spend our way into that club - but we dont have Chelsea/Man City's money (and FFP has put a stop to that anyway). Plus look what happened to Leeds when tried the same thing. Everton is the model for us to follow - grow sensibly and organically. If people offer stupid money a la Fellani/Rooney/Rodwe
ll then make the right business decision and invest that money back into the squad (and hopefully the stadium when the time is right)
I wonder if all Saints fans are as deluded as most of those on here. I appreciate loyalty can do funny things to the brain, but here's the thing.... Every club in the world bar maybe Barca and Real are selling clubs IF the price is right (PSG and Man City possibly but their resolve hasnt really been tested yet). So why on earth wouldnt Saints be one too? I was a bit disappointed how easily we let Lambert go, but we got way over the market value for Shaw and Lallana. We have to realise that any player who sees Saints as the ultimate pinnacle of what they can achieve doesnt have the hunger we demand. I know that's tough to accept, but it's true. It's far better to place your loyalty with the club, rather than a guy who is only ever going to be interested in their own career. If Pelle & Tadic prove to be adequate replacements then we have done excellent business. And we should definitely be able to replace Shaw quite easily for the money we got - not necessarily in relation to what he could have been, but what he is right now. But there's more to it than that. The examples of Lallana and Shaw (and Morgan/Lovren if we get crazy bids for them too) or the ones parents will look at when deciding which club is right for their talented child. Come to Saints, let their academy train you and grow with their first team - one day you too could play at Old Trafford or Anfield. I'm afraid to a neutral looking for the best career possible, its better than the prospect of being held to a long contract until over half your career is behind you. It is the best way of attracting the brightest young prospects to the club. I am afraid we are a long way behind the leading clubs in this country. We could try to spend our way into that club - but we dont have Chelsea/Man City's money (and FFP has put a stop to that anyway). Plus look what happened to Leeds when tried the same thing. Everton is the model for us to follow - grow sensibly and organically. If people offer stupid money a la Fellani/Rooney/Rodwe ll then make the right business decision and invest that money back into the squad (and hopefully the stadium when the time is right) CheltenhamSaint
  • Score: 50

1:23pm Tue 22 Jul 14

TGodSFC says...

Whats another 1.5 M, get the deal done!
Whats another 1.5 M, get the deal done! TGodSFC
  • Score: 16

1:40pm Tue 22 Jul 14

beanwalking says...

Hi can i put this question to all you more knowledgeable pundits than I. Has there been any other club in the Premier league who have sold more of their first team players in such a short space of time. If Lov and Spider goes along with Ramerez and Knobhead, as quoted, that would make 8 out of 11 first team players sold.
Now did all this start from NC leaving early this year, or did it start with MoPo leaving. Yes both promised Champion League football, but if both had stayed and with the league position we ended up with we still were not playing in the Champion League next season. So would the same players have left.
Did MoPo get into the heads of the players to get them to play better telling them they were too good for Saints fc and should play for a bigger club.
Did it all start falling apart when NC left and how much day to day contact did he have with the players to influence them to want to leave if he left.
Like MoPo or not, this time last year i cannot remember us having many bids for our players. This year it seems as though every one wants our players, So by the way he got our players to play he has increased our player stock level to well over £100million Now who would have thought that 12 months ago.
Just a thought.
Hi can i put this question to all you more knowledgeable pundits than I. Has there been any other club in the Premier league who have sold more of their first team players in such a short space of time. If Lov and Spider goes along with Ramerez and Knobhead, as quoted, that would make 8 out of 11 first team players sold. Now did all this start from NC leaving early this year, or did it start with MoPo leaving. Yes both promised Champion League football, but if both had stayed and with the league position we ended up with we still were not playing in the Champion League next season. So would the same players have left. Did MoPo get into the heads of the players to get them to play better telling them they were too good for Saints fc and should play for a bigger club. Did it all start falling apart when NC left and how much day to day contact did he have with the players to influence them to want to leave if he left. Like MoPo or not, this time last year i cannot remember us having many bids for our players. This year it seems as though every one wants our players, So by the way he got our players to play he has increased our player stock level to well over £100million Now who would have thought that 12 months ago. Just a thought. beanwalking
  • Score: 2

1:43pm Tue 22 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

CheltenhamSaint wrote:
I wonder if all Saints fans are as deluded as most of those on here. I appreciate loyalty can do funny things to the brain, but here's the thing....

Every club in the world bar maybe Barca and Real are selling clubs IF the price is right (PSG and Man City possibly but their resolve hasnt really been tested yet). So why on earth wouldnt Saints be one too? I was a bit disappointed how easily we let Lambert go, but we got way over the market value for Shaw and Lallana. We have to realise that any player who sees Saints as the ultimate pinnacle of what they can achieve doesnt have the hunger we demand. I know that's tough to accept, but it's true. It's far better to place your loyalty with the club, rather than a guy who is only ever going to be interested in their own career. If Pelle & Tadic prove to be adequate replacements then we have done excellent business. And we should definitely be able to replace Shaw quite easily for the money we got - not necessarily in relation to what he could have been, but what he is right now.

But there's more to it than that. The examples of Lallana and Shaw (and Morgan/Lovren if we get crazy bids for them too) or the ones parents will look at when deciding which club is right for their talented child. Come to Saints, let their academy train you and grow with their first team - one day you too could play at Old Trafford or Anfield. I'm afraid to a neutral looking for the best career possible, its better than the prospect of being held to a long contract until over half your career is behind you. It is the best way of attracting the brightest young prospects to the club.

I am afraid we are a long way behind the leading clubs in this country. We could try to spend our way into that club - but we dont have Chelsea/Man City's money (and FFP has put a stop to that anyway). Plus look what happened to Leeds when tried the same thing. Everton is the model for us to follow - grow sensibly and organically. If people offer stupid money a la Fellani/Rooney/Rodwe

ll then make the right business decision and invest that money back into the squad (and hopefully the stadium when the time is right)
A nice, sensible post and you talk a lot of sense. The difficulty is though that you simply can't put yourself in a position where you lose your manager and four or five of your first team in one hit.

One or two a season, yeah, fine. I don't think anyone would have been upset at us losing Shaw for that kind of money and he is clearly destined for big things. That for me is incentive enough for players to join our academy - Bale, the Ox, Walcott, Shearer, Le Tiss - I think we already have enough proof without submitting to sell half the team each season when they fancy a step up.

The England cricket team is a good example - you can't just tear out the entire heart of your team and remove all the big characters and expect things to function as normal just by saying the right things and saying you are focusing on youth.

The German football team rebuilt, but they didn't dump out Klose, Lahm etc, they valued them and built around them.

It has to be done slowly and with control. And at the moment it doesn't seem like we have a lot of control because even Ronald can't tell the press who will be at the club at the start of the season (and that's far from just Lovren he's talking about).
[quote][p][bold]CheltenhamSaint[/bold] wrote: I wonder if all Saints fans are as deluded as most of those on here. I appreciate loyalty can do funny things to the brain, but here's the thing.... Every club in the world bar maybe Barca and Real are selling clubs IF the price is right (PSG and Man City possibly but their resolve hasnt really been tested yet). So why on earth wouldnt Saints be one too? I was a bit disappointed how easily we let Lambert go, but we got way over the market value for Shaw and Lallana. We have to realise that any player who sees Saints as the ultimate pinnacle of what they can achieve doesnt have the hunger we demand. I know that's tough to accept, but it's true. It's far better to place your loyalty with the club, rather than a guy who is only ever going to be interested in their own career. If Pelle & Tadic prove to be adequate replacements then we have done excellent business. And we should definitely be able to replace Shaw quite easily for the money we got - not necessarily in relation to what he could have been, but what he is right now. But there's more to it than that. The examples of Lallana and Shaw (and Morgan/Lovren if we get crazy bids for them too) or the ones parents will look at when deciding which club is right for their talented child. Come to Saints, let their academy train you and grow with their first team - one day you too could play at Old Trafford or Anfield. I'm afraid to a neutral looking for the best career possible, its better than the prospect of being held to a long contract until over half your career is behind you. It is the best way of attracting the brightest young prospects to the club. I am afraid we are a long way behind the leading clubs in this country. We could try to spend our way into that club - but we dont have Chelsea/Man City's money (and FFP has put a stop to that anyway). Plus look what happened to Leeds when tried the same thing. Everton is the model for us to follow - grow sensibly and organically. If people offer stupid money a la Fellani/Rooney/Rodwe ll then make the right business decision and invest that money back into the squad (and hopefully the stadium when the time is right)[/p][/quote]A nice, sensible post and you talk a lot of sense. The difficulty is though that you simply can't put yourself in a position where you lose your manager and four or five of your first team in one hit. One or two a season, yeah, fine. I don't think anyone would have been upset at us losing Shaw for that kind of money and he is clearly destined for big things. That for me is incentive enough for players to join our academy - Bale, the Ox, Walcott, Shearer, Le Tiss - I think we already have enough proof without submitting to sell half the team each season when they fancy a step up. The England cricket team is a good example - you can't just tear out the entire heart of your team and remove all the big characters and expect things to function as normal just by saying the right things and saying you are focusing on youth. The German football team rebuilt, but they didn't dump out Klose, Lahm etc, they valued them and built around them. It has to be done slowly and with control. And at the moment it doesn't seem like we have a lot of control because even Ronald can't tell the press who will be at the club at the start of the season (and that's far from just Lovren he's talking about). SaintJD
  • Score: 8

1:45pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

jasons odd wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC
Im sure your the type who had 100% confidence in rupert lowe , wilde , poortvliet , harry etc etc
A bit of a silly statement, everyone had confidence in Rupert at first, it took quite a while before the doubts began to creep in, but even the most deluded happy clappers realised that he was not evil, just totally incompetent at being the Chairman of a football club. Every time someone new comes along, you have to give them a chance to get it right, remember, when the last lot got it wrong we nearly died a death. However just for once we had a bit of luck, Markus Liebherr saw that we had something, and with his friend Nicola bought into the dream, for five years we had the pleasure of revelling in that dream.
Sadly all good things come to an end, things have to change, for us, it was bad news and we all have to bite the bullet and accept that we have slipped down the ladder and it will take time to recover.
However we still have a rich owner, who, it appears has no intention of seeing the dream destroyed completely, and unlike some other rich owners who treat a football club as a plaything, this owner wants the Club to remain on a firm business footing. So there will be no out of control spending spree, everything will be done sensibly to ensure that we have a future.
There is no saying that this is the correct approach, that is for others to decide.
My only gripe at the moment is the lack of clarity and the speed of remodelling the team itself, I too am in a hurry to see that success of recent years again, it tasted good while it lasted and I want some more of the same.
I guess I will have to be patient and hope for the best.

Sorry neggies if this isn't the way you see it but there you go, you do it your way and I will do it mine and we will see who is happiest in the end.
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC[/p][/quote]Im sure your the type who had 100% confidence in rupert lowe , wilde , poortvliet , harry etc etc[/p][/quote]A bit of a silly statement, everyone had confidence in Rupert at first, it took quite a while before the doubts began to creep in, but even the most deluded happy clappers realised that he was not evil, just totally incompetent at being the Chairman of a football club. Every time someone new comes along, you have to give them a chance to get it right, remember, when the last lot got it wrong we nearly died a death. However just for once we had a bit of luck, Markus Liebherr saw that we had something, and with his friend Nicola bought into the dream, for five years we had the pleasure of revelling in that dream. Sadly all good things come to an end, things have to change, for us, it was bad news and we all have to bite the bullet and accept that we have slipped down the ladder and it will take time to recover. However we still have a rich owner, who, it appears has no intention of seeing the dream destroyed completely, and unlike some other rich owners who treat a football club as a plaything, this owner wants the Club to remain on a firm business footing. So there will be no out of control spending spree, everything will be done sensibly to ensure that we have a future. There is no saying that this is the correct approach, that is for others to decide. My only gripe at the moment is the lack of clarity and the speed of remodelling the team itself, I too am in a hurry to see that success of recent years again, it tasted good while it lasted and I want some more of the same. I guess I will have to be patient and hope for the best. Sorry neggies if this isn't the way you see it but there you go, you do it your way and I will do it mine and we will see who is happiest in the end. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

1:45pm Tue 22 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

This would be a very positive signing by the way - hope we can pull it off and then strengthen the centre back positions with experience and character, which will be the absolute key to us having a chance of stability and a safe season.
This would be a very positive signing by the way - hope we can pull it off and then strengthen the centre back positions with experience and character, which will be the absolute key to us having a chance of stability and a safe season. SaintJD
  • Score: 6

1:45pm Tue 22 Jul 14

CheltenhamSaint says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
FIGHT AND WIN.

BE TENACIOUS AND GET FRASER FORSTER IN.

If you lined up STAMP YOUR FEET LALA (won't play - can't play) .... lambert shaw and JUDAS MP ..... and Kelvin Davis.

I WOULD ONLY STAND AND CLAP KELVIN FOR HIS LOYALTY.

WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON COYR+WS
You think Kelvin Davies is with us because of loyalty? He's with us because it remains the best thing for Kelvin Davies personally. Loyalty has no place in football and neither has it ever had. Loyalty is what you show towards your partner or your friends. Do you want Southampton to show loyalty? If they did, Dean Hammond would be captain still. Billy Sharp would be centre forward and Guly would have played every game. And we would not have lasted two minutes in the EPL.

Granted there's still a place for a little class in football. Lovren hasnt shown it, Lallana struggled to pull it off. Morgan and Lambert have fared much better. Oh and Saints themselves failed miserably when it came to Adkins.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: FIGHT AND WIN. BE TENACIOUS AND GET FRASER FORSTER IN. If you lined up STAMP YOUR FEET LALA (won't play - can't play) .... lambert shaw and JUDAS MP ..... and Kelvin Davis. I WOULD ONLY STAND AND CLAP KELVIN FOR HIS LOYALTY. WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON COYR+WS[/p][/quote]You think Kelvin Davies is with us because of loyalty? He's with us because it remains the best thing for Kelvin Davies personally. Loyalty has no place in football and neither has it ever had. Loyalty is what you show towards your partner or your friends. Do you want Southampton to show loyalty? If they did, Dean Hammond would be captain still. Billy Sharp would be centre forward and Guly would have played every game. And we would not have lasted two minutes in the EPL. Granted there's still a place for a little class in football. Lovren hasnt shown it, Lallana struggled to pull it off. Morgan and Lambert have fared much better. Oh and Saints themselves failed miserably when it came to Adkins. CheltenhamSaint
  • Score: 14

1:51pm Tue 22 Jul 14

milton road says...

According to paper talk on Sky Spurs will shortly sign both Schneiderlin and Jay. The betting is odds on Morgan going to Spurs. yet there has not even been a bid. I can't see either being allowed to leave for less then 25 mil and Spurs do not have that sort of money, they had to do a player swap deal with Swansea to get who they wanted.
Trouble with the sky site it used to keep to facts, now it lumps all the betting odds and pasper rumors on its site totally devaluing it.
Spurs are already swamped with midfield players and forwards.
So much rubbish on the internet hard to find the truth.
Can understand Saints not broadcasting who they want to sign, Liverpool would probably jump in first lol. Think there are one or two surprises yet hopefully positive ones.
According to paper talk on Sky Spurs will shortly sign both Schneiderlin and Jay. The betting is odds on Morgan going to Spurs. yet there has not even been a bid. I can't see either being allowed to leave for less then 25 mil and Spurs do not have that sort of money, they had to do a player swap deal with Swansea to get who they wanted. Trouble with the sky site it used to keep to facts, now it lumps all the betting odds and pasper rumors on its site totally devaluing it. Spurs are already swamped with midfield players and forwards. So much rubbish on the internet hard to find the truth. Can understand Saints not broadcasting who they want to sign, Liverpool would probably jump in first lol. Think there are one or two surprises yet hopefully positive ones. milton road
  • Score: 4

1:54pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Tony in Liberia says...

CheltenhamSaint wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
FIGHT AND WIN.

BE TENACIOUS AND GET FRASER FORSTER IN.

If you lined up STAMP YOUR FEET LALA (won't play - can't play) .... lambert shaw and JUDAS MP ..... and Kelvin Davis.

I WOULD ONLY STAND AND CLAP KELVIN FOR HIS LOYALTY.

WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON COYR+WS
You think Kelvin Davies is with us because of loyalty? He's with us because it remains the best thing for Kelvin Davies personally. Loyalty has no place in football and neither has it ever had. Loyalty is what you show towards your partner or your friends. Do you want Southampton to show loyalty? If they did, Dean Hammond would be captain still. Billy Sharp would be centre forward and Guly would have played every game. And we would not have lasted two minutes in the EPL.

Granted there's still a place for a little class in football. Lovren hasnt shown it, Lallana struggled to pull it off. Morgan and Lambert have fared much better. Oh and Saints themselves failed miserably when it came to Adkins.
Abso bleedin lutely
[quote][p][bold]CheltenhamSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: FIGHT AND WIN. BE TENACIOUS AND GET FRASER FORSTER IN. If you lined up STAMP YOUR FEET LALA (won't play - can't play) .... lambert shaw and JUDAS MP ..... and Kelvin Davis. I WOULD ONLY STAND AND CLAP KELVIN FOR HIS LOYALTY. WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON COYR+WS[/p][/quote]You think Kelvin Davies is with us because of loyalty? He's with us because it remains the best thing for Kelvin Davies personally. Loyalty has no place in football and neither has it ever had. Loyalty is what you show towards your partner or your friends. Do you want Southampton to show loyalty? If they did, Dean Hammond would be captain still. Billy Sharp would be centre forward and Guly would have played every game. And we would not have lasted two minutes in the EPL. Granted there's still a place for a little class in football. Lovren hasnt shown it, Lallana struggled to pull it off. Morgan and Lambert have fared much better. Oh and Saints themselves failed miserably when it came to Adkins.[/p][/quote]Abso bleedin lutely Tony in Liberia
  • Score: 9

1:56pm Tue 22 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

CheltenhamSaint, 2 posts today both absolutely spot on.

One point though, Kelvin Davis did get an offer from West Ham when we were in L2 and decided on staying put for one reason or another.

You will run the risk of upsetting a few on here with realistic posts like these.
CheltenhamSaint, 2 posts today both absolutely spot on. One point though, Kelvin Davis did get an offer from West Ham when we were in L2 and decided on staying put for one reason or another. You will run the risk of upsetting a few on here with realistic posts like these. costa gaz
  • Score: 7

1:57pm Tue 22 Jul 14

CheltenhamSaint says...

SaintJD wrote:
CheltenhamSaint wrote:
I wonder if all Saints fans are as deluded as most of those on here. I appreciate loyalty can do funny things to the brain, but here's the thing....

Every club in the world bar maybe Barca and Real are selling clubs IF the price is right (PSG and Man City possibly but their resolve hasnt really been tested yet). So why on earth wouldnt Saints be one too? I was a bit disappointed how easily we let Lambert go, but we got way over the market value for Shaw and Lallana. We have to realise that any player who sees Saints as the ultimate pinnacle of what they can achieve doesnt have the hunger we demand. I know that's tough to accept, but it's true. It's far better to place your loyalty with the club, rather than a guy who is only ever going to be interested in their own career. If Pelle & Tadic prove to be adequate replacements then we have done excellent business. And we should definitely be able to replace Shaw quite easily for the money we got - not necessarily in relation to what he could have been, but what he is right now.

But there's more to it than that. The examples of Lallana and Shaw (and Morgan/Lovren if we get crazy bids for them too) or the ones parents will look at when deciding which club is right for their talented child. Come to Saints, let their academy train you and grow with their first team - one day you too could play at Old Trafford or Anfield. I'm afraid to a neutral looking for the best career possible, its better than the prospect of being held to a long contract until over half your career is behind you. It is the best way of attracting the brightest young prospects to the club.

I am afraid we are a long way behind the leading clubs in this country. We could try to spend our way into that club - but we dont have Chelsea/Man City's money (and FFP has put a stop to that anyway). Plus look what happened to Leeds when tried the same thing. Everton is the model for us to follow - grow sensibly and organically. If people offer stupid money a la Fellani/Rooney/Rodwe


ll then make the right business decision and invest that money back into the squad (and hopefully the stadium when the time is right)
A nice, sensible post and you talk a lot of sense. The difficulty is though that you simply can't put yourself in a position where you lose your manager and four or five of your first team in one hit.

One or two a season, yeah, fine. I don't think anyone would have been upset at us losing Shaw for that kind of money and he is clearly destined for big things. That for me is incentive enough for players to join our academy - Bale, the Ox, Walcott, Shearer, Le Tiss - I think we already have enough proof without submitting to sell half the team each season when they fancy a step up.

The England cricket team is a good example - you can't just tear out the entire heart of your team and remove all the big characters and expect things to function as normal just by saying the right things and saying you are focusing on youth.

The German football team rebuilt, but they didn't dump out Klose, Lahm etc, they valued them and built around them.

It has to be done slowly and with control. And at the moment it doesn't seem like we have a lot of control because even Ronald can't tell the press who will be at the club at the start of the season (and that's far from just Lovren he's talking about).
Yeah you're absolutely right. Any more and the there's a real danger of the club being seriously destabilised. Lovren with his attitude may end up forcing the hand as he could do more harm than good if he stays. But the club need to do everything they can to keep hold of Morgan, JRod and Gaston (who I think could be fantastic if he feels trusted) for at least another season.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CheltenhamSaint[/bold] wrote: I wonder if all Saints fans are as deluded as most of those on here. I appreciate loyalty can do funny things to the brain, but here's the thing.... Every club in the world bar maybe Barca and Real are selling clubs IF the price is right (PSG and Man City possibly but their resolve hasnt really been tested yet). So why on earth wouldnt Saints be one too? I was a bit disappointed how easily we let Lambert go, but we got way over the market value for Shaw and Lallana. We have to realise that any player who sees Saints as the ultimate pinnacle of what they can achieve doesnt have the hunger we demand. I know that's tough to accept, but it's true. It's far better to place your loyalty with the club, rather than a guy who is only ever going to be interested in their own career. If Pelle & Tadic prove to be adequate replacements then we have done excellent business. And we should definitely be able to replace Shaw quite easily for the money we got - not necessarily in relation to what he could have been, but what he is right now. But there's more to it than that. The examples of Lallana and Shaw (and Morgan/Lovren if we get crazy bids for them too) or the ones parents will look at when deciding which club is right for their talented child. Come to Saints, let their academy train you and grow with their first team - one day you too could play at Old Trafford or Anfield. I'm afraid to a neutral looking for the best career possible, its better than the prospect of being held to a long contract until over half your career is behind you. It is the best way of attracting the brightest young prospects to the club. I am afraid we are a long way behind the leading clubs in this country. We could try to spend our way into that club - but we dont have Chelsea/Man City's money (and FFP has put a stop to that anyway). Plus look what happened to Leeds when tried the same thing. Everton is the model for us to follow - grow sensibly and organically. If people offer stupid money a la Fellani/Rooney/Rodwe ll then make the right business decision and invest that money back into the squad (and hopefully the stadium when the time is right)[/p][/quote]A nice, sensible post and you talk a lot of sense. The difficulty is though that you simply can't put yourself in a position where you lose your manager and four or five of your first team in one hit. One or two a season, yeah, fine. I don't think anyone would have been upset at us losing Shaw for that kind of money and he is clearly destined for big things. That for me is incentive enough for players to join our academy - Bale, the Ox, Walcott, Shearer, Le Tiss - I think we already have enough proof without submitting to sell half the team each season when they fancy a step up. The England cricket team is a good example - you can't just tear out the entire heart of your team and remove all the big characters and expect things to function as normal just by saying the right things and saying you are focusing on youth. The German football team rebuilt, but they didn't dump out Klose, Lahm etc, they valued them and built around them. It has to be done slowly and with control. And at the moment it doesn't seem like we have a lot of control because even Ronald can't tell the press who will be at the club at the start of the season (and that's far from just Lovren he's talking about).[/p][/quote]Yeah you're absolutely right. Any more and the there's a real danger of the club being seriously destabilised. Lovren with his attitude may end up forcing the hand as he could do more harm than good if he stays. But the club need to do everything they can to keep hold of Morgan, JRod and Gaston (who I think could be fantastic if he feels trusted) for at least another season. CheltenhamSaint
  • Score: 5

2:01pm Tue 22 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

CheltenhamSaint wrote:
I wonder if all Saints fans are as deluded as most of those on here. I appreciate loyalty can do funny things to the brain, but here's the thing....

Every club in the world bar maybe Barca and Real are selling clubs IF the price is right (PSG and Man City possibly but their resolve hasnt really been tested yet). So why on earth wouldnt Saints be one too? I was a bit disappointed how easily we let Lambert go, but we got way over the market value for Shaw and Lallana. We have to realise that any player who sees Saints as the ultimate pinnacle of what they can achieve doesnt have the hunger we demand. I know that's tough to accept, but it's true. It's far better to place your loyalty with the club, rather than a guy who is only ever going to be interested in their own career. If Pelle & Tadic prove to be adequate replacements then we have done excellent business. And we should definitely be able to replace Shaw quite easily for the money we got - not necessarily in relation to what he could have been, but what he is right now.

But there's more to it than that. The examples of Lallana and Shaw (and Morgan/Lovren if we get crazy bids for them too) or the ones parents will look at when deciding which club is right for their talented child. Come to Saints, let their academy train you and grow with their first team - one day you too could play at Old Trafford or Anfield. I'm afraid to a neutral looking for the best career possible, its better than the prospect of being held to a long contract until over half your career is behind you. It is the best way of attracting the brightest young prospects to the club.

I am afraid we are a long way behind the leading clubs in this country. We could try to spend our way into that club - but we dont have Chelsea/Man City's money (and FFP has put a stop to that anyway). Plus look what happened to Leeds when tried the same thing. Everton is the model for us to follow - grow sensibly and organically. If people offer stupid money a la Fellani/Rooney/Rodwe

ll then make the right business decision and invest that money back into the squad (and hopefully the stadium when the time is right)
The stadium aspect needs building now..it willbe a loss leader at first and maybe only 5 games will sell out at full fare so to speak…HOWEVER fill it for free if necessary on early cup games aand reduced prices for non demand games and in 10 years you have a permanent 45.000 plus and a passionate fan base, politicians think short term Kl and board have the luxury of not needing to…

For me Marcus's legacy should not be a short lived return to the premiership, it should be putting the club on a platform it would never have achieved with ot withoutout the prior management's Lowe etc input…

No we will not ever be LFC, Mufco or the 4RSE but we can be a Newcastle, Everton or Villa ie there or there abouts..this is do-able but we need a stadiumand a 50% increase in fan base , build it and MAKE them come.
[quote][p][bold]CheltenhamSaint[/bold] wrote: I wonder if all Saints fans are as deluded as most of those on here. I appreciate loyalty can do funny things to the brain, but here's the thing.... Every club in the world bar maybe Barca and Real are selling clubs IF the price is right (PSG and Man City possibly but their resolve hasnt really been tested yet). So why on earth wouldnt Saints be one too? I was a bit disappointed how easily we let Lambert go, but we got way over the market value for Shaw and Lallana. We have to realise that any player who sees Saints as the ultimate pinnacle of what they can achieve doesnt have the hunger we demand. I know that's tough to accept, but it's true. It's far better to place your loyalty with the club, rather than a guy who is only ever going to be interested in their own career. If Pelle & Tadic prove to be adequate replacements then we have done excellent business. And we should definitely be able to replace Shaw quite easily for the money we got - not necessarily in relation to what he could have been, but what he is right now. But there's more to it than that. The examples of Lallana and Shaw (and Morgan/Lovren if we get crazy bids for them too) or the ones parents will look at when deciding which club is right for their talented child. Come to Saints, let their academy train you and grow with their first team - one day you too could play at Old Trafford or Anfield. I'm afraid to a neutral looking for the best career possible, its better than the prospect of being held to a long contract until over half your career is behind you. It is the best way of attracting the brightest young prospects to the club. I am afraid we are a long way behind the leading clubs in this country. We could try to spend our way into that club - but we dont have Chelsea/Man City's money (and FFP has put a stop to that anyway). Plus look what happened to Leeds when tried the same thing. Everton is the model for us to follow - grow sensibly and organically. If people offer stupid money a la Fellani/Rooney/Rodwe ll then make the right business decision and invest that money back into the squad (and hopefully the stadium when the time is right)[/p][/quote]The stadium aspect needs building now..it willbe a loss leader at first and maybe only 5 games will sell out at full fare so to speak…HOWEVER fill it for free if necessary on early cup games aand reduced prices for non demand games and in 10 years you have a permanent 45.000 plus and a passionate fan base, politicians think short term Kl and board have the luxury of not needing to… For me Marcus's legacy should not be a short lived return to the premiership, it should be putting the club on a platform it would never have achieved with ot withoutout the prior management's Lowe etc input… No we will not ever be LFC, Mufco or the 4RSE but we can be a Newcastle, Everton or Villa ie there or there abouts..this is do-able but we need a stadiumand a 50% increase in fan base , build it and MAKE them come. warrens 76
  • Score: 12

2:02pm Tue 22 Jul 14

CheltenhamSaint says...

costa gaz wrote:
CheltenhamSaint, 2 posts today both absolutely spot on.

One point though, Kelvin Davis did get an offer from West Ham when we were in L2 and decided on staying put for one reason or another.

You will run the risk of upsetting a few on here with realistic posts like these.
Did he? Fair enough - if that was down to loyalty then he's a fool, but one who deserves our utter adoration!
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: CheltenhamSaint, 2 posts today both absolutely spot on. One point though, Kelvin Davis did get an offer from West Ham when we were in L2 and decided on staying put for one reason or another. You will run the risk of upsetting a few on here with realistic posts like these.[/p][/quote]Did he? Fair enough - if that was down to loyalty then he's a fool, but one who deserves our utter adoration! CheltenhamSaint
  • Score: 0

2:11pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Graham, North of Watford says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC
Im sure your the type who had 100% confidence in rupert lowe , wilde , poortvliet , harry etc etc
A bit of a silly statement, everyone had confidence in Rupert at first, it took quite a while before the doubts began to creep in, but even the most deluded happy clappers realised that he was not evil, just totally incompetent at being the Chairman of a football club. Every time someone new comes along, you have to give them a chance to get it right, remember, when the last lot got it wrong we nearly died a death. However just for once we had a bit of luck, Markus Liebherr saw that we had something, and with his friend Nicola bought into the dream, for five years we had the pleasure of revelling in that dream.
Sadly all good things come to an end, things have to change, for us, it was bad news and we all have to bite the bullet and accept that we have slipped down the ladder and it will take time to recover.
However we still have a rich owner, who, it appears has no intention of seeing the dream destroyed completely, and unlike some other rich owners who treat a football club as a plaything, this owner wants the Club to remain on a firm business footing. So there will be no out of control spending spree, everything will be done sensibly to ensure that we have a future.
There is no saying that this is the correct approach, that is for others to decide.
My only gripe at the moment is the lack of clarity and the speed of remodelling the team itself, I too am in a hurry to see that success of recent years again, it tasted good while it lasted and I want some more of the same.
I guess I will have to be patient and hope for the best.

Sorry neggies if this isn't the way you see it but there you go, you do it your way and I will do it mine and we will see who is happiest in the end.
I agree.

The only variation I might make really amplifies your thoughts although I think you are absolutely right..

Financial soundness and survival are the be all and end all in football - nothing else matters.

This probably means that you spend small and wisely for your first year or 3 in the Premiership and once you are established you have to make the big decision, how much do you spend to fight it out for the top 3 or 4 positions.

A perfectly rational decision might be that you never do. It simply isn't worth it and that perhaps being in the middle is a sensible thing for a 32,000 seater Club to achieve. That is not an easy position to take but it might be the sensible one.

That would then encourage much greater interest in Cup competitions with perhaps bigger financial prizes to establish their status.

If you believe (as I do) that both FIFA and the FA are the wh*res of football who will always sell themselves for the next available £ then football will always gravitate towards the Clubs/Owners with pockets full of dirty money because nothing is ever going to change.

I actually get a real buzz of pleasure at being owned by some sensible, prudent Swiss people with a reputation for financial caution and rock solid security and I would MUCH rather see a year or 2 at building up the Club rather than aiming for the Moon and crashing down to earth in a flare out.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC[/p][/quote]Im sure your the type who had 100% confidence in rupert lowe , wilde , poortvliet , harry etc etc[/p][/quote]A bit of a silly statement, everyone had confidence in Rupert at first, it took quite a while before the doubts began to creep in, but even the most deluded happy clappers realised that he was not evil, just totally incompetent at being the Chairman of a football club. Every time someone new comes along, you have to give them a chance to get it right, remember, when the last lot got it wrong we nearly died a death. However just for once we had a bit of luck, Markus Liebherr saw that we had something, and with his friend Nicola bought into the dream, for five years we had the pleasure of revelling in that dream. Sadly all good things come to an end, things have to change, for us, it was bad news and we all have to bite the bullet and accept that we have slipped down the ladder and it will take time to recover. However we still have a rich owner, who, it appears has no intention of seeing the dream destroyed completely, and unlike some other rich owners who treat a football club as a plaything, this owner wants the Club to remain on a firm business footing. So there will be no out of control spending spree, everything will be done sensibly to ensure that we have a future. There is no saying that this is the correct approach, that is for others to decide. My only gripe at the moment is the lack of clarity and the speed of remodelling the team itself, I too am in a hurry to see that success of recent years again, it tasted good while it lasted and I want some more of the same. I guess I will have to be patient and hope for the best. Sorry neggies if this isn't the way you see it but there you go, you do it your way and I will do it mine and we will see who is happiest in the end.[/p][/quote]I agree. The only variation I might make really amplifies your thoughts although I think you are absolutely right.. Financial soundness and survival are the be all and end all in football - nothing else matters. This probably means that you spend small and wisely for your first year or 3 in the Premiership and once you are established you have to make the big decision, how much do you spend to fight it out for the top 3 or 4 positions. A perfectly rational decision might be that you never do. It simply isn't worth it and that perhaps being in the middle is a sensible thing for a 32,000 seater Club to achieve. That is not an easy position to take but it might be the sensible one. That would then encourage much greater interest in Cup competitions with perhaps bigger financial prizes to establish their status. If you believe (as I do) that both FIFA and the FA are the wh*res of football who will always sell themselves for the next available £ then football will always gravitate towards the Clubs/Owners with pockets full of dirty money because nothing is ever going to change. I actually get a real buzz of pleasure at being owned by some sensible, prudent Swiss people with a reputation for financial caution and rock solid security and I would MUCH rather see a year or 2 at building up the Club rather than aiming for the Moon and crashing down to earth in a flare out. Graham, North of Watford
  • Score: 7

2:21pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

beanwalking wrote:
Hi can i put this question to all you more knowledgeable pundits than I. Has there been any other club in the Premier league who have sold more of their first team players in such a short space of time. If Lov and Spider goes along with Ramerez and Knobhead, as quoted, that would make 8 out of 11 first team players sold.
Now did all this start from NC leaving early this year, or did it start with MoPo leaving. Yes both promised Champion League football, but if both had stayed and with the league position we ended up with we still were not playing in the Champion League next season. So would the same players have left.
Did MoPo get into the heads of the players to get them to play better telling them they were too good for Saints fc and should play for a bigger club.
Did it all start falling apart when NC left and how much day to day contact did he have with the players to influence them to want to leave if he left.
Like MoPo or not, this time last year i cannot remember us having many bids for our players. This year it seems as though every one wants our players, So by the way he got our players to play he has increased our player stock level to well over £100million Now who would have thought that 12 months ago.
Just a thought.
Pass on that. Too many things to contemplate. It has happened to other Premier Teams, but only after they had been relegated or got into terminal financial problems, We have neither of those things to explain what happened. Lots of guesswork and someone will have said the right answer.
NC's departure may have had a lot to do with it, nobody had the bottle to stand up to him perhaps? Did he make verbal promise of rewards, which didn't materialise? Has there been some foul deeds by other teams undermining these players, impossible to prove it seems. Did they think we had over achieved and peaked and were only going to go downhill? Or was it the failure to get Champions League status that tipped the balance? I could go on until the cows come home with idle speculation, and may be none of it is in fact true. What is your opinion?
What I cannot do is blame the current Club owners and administrators, they have inherited the mess not caused it.
[quote][p][bold]beanwalking[/bold] wrote: Hi can i put this question to all you more knowledgeable pundits than I. Has there been any other club in the Premier league who have sold more of their first team players in such a short space of time. If Lov and Spider goes along with Ramerez and Knobhead, as quoted, that would make 8 out of 11 first team players sold. Now did all this start from NC leaving early this year, or did it start with MoPo leaving. Yes both promised Champion League football, but if both had stayed and with the league position we ended up with we still were not playing in the Champion League next season. So would the same players have left. Did MoPo get into the heads of the players to get them to play better telling them they were too good for Saints fc and should play for a bigger club. Did it all start falling apart when NC left and how much day to day contact did he have with the players to influence them to want to leave if he left. Like MoPo or not, this time last year i cannot remember us having many bids for our players. This year it seems as though every one wants our players, So by the way he got our players to play he has increased our player stock level to well over £100million Now who would have thought that 12 months ago. Just a thought.[/p][/quote]Pass on that. Too many things to contemplate. It has happened to other Premier Teams, but only after they had been relegated or got into terminal financial problems, We have neither of those things to explain what happened. Lots of guesswork and someone will have said the right answer. NC's departure may have had a lot to do with it, nobody had the bottle to stand up to him perhaps? Did he make verbal promise of rewards, which didn't materialise? Has there been some foul deeds by other teams undermining these players, impossible to prove it seems. Did they think we had over achieved and peaked and were only going to go downhill? Or was it the failure to get Champions League status that tipped the balance? I could go on until the cows come home with idle speculation, and may be none of it is in fact true. What is your opinion? What I cannot do is blame the current Club owners and administrators, they have inherited the mess not caused it. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -6

2:28pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

CheltenhamSaint wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
CheltenhamSaint, 2 posts today both absolutely spot on.

One point though, Kelvin Davis did get an offer from West Ham when we were in L2 and decided on staying put for one reason or another.

You will run the risk of upsetting a few on here with realistic posts like these.
Did he? Fair enough - if that was down to loyalty then he's a fool, but one who deserves our utter adoration!
KD is no fool, at the time of the possible move to WHU, he realised that the take Saints over was going to lead to good times, he got that right, loyalty is nebulous and takes various forms, seems to be a lost art in the minds of some. Money is the root of all evil seems to be the way of things these days.
[quote][p][bold]CheltenhamSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: CheltenhamSaint, 2 posts today both absolutely spot on. One point though, Kelvin Davis did get an offer from West Ham when we were in L2 and decided on staying put for one reason or another. You will run the risk of upsetting a few on here with realistic posts like these.[/p][/quote]Did he? Fair enough - if that was down to loyalty then he's a fool, but one who deserves our utter adoration![/p][/quote]KD is no fool, at the time of the possible move to WHU, he realised that the take Saints over was going to lead to good times, he got that right, loyalty is nebulous and takes various forms, seems to be a lost art in the minds of some. Money is the root of all evil seems to be the way of things these days. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -5

2:32pm Tue 22 Jul 14

CheltenhamSaint says...

Graham, North of Watford wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC
Im sure your the type who had 100% confidence in rupert lowe , wilde , poortvliet , harry etc etc
A bit of a silly statement, everyone had confidence in Rupert at first, it took quite a while before the doubts began to creep in, but even the most deluded happy clappers realised that he was not evil, just totally incompetent at being the Chairman of a football club. Every time someone new comes along, you have to give them a chance to get it right, remember, when the last lot got it wrong we nearly died a death. However just for once we had a bit of luck, Markus Liebherr saw that we had something, and with his friend Nicola bought into the dream, for five years we had the pleasure of revelling in that dream.
Sadly all good things come to an end, things have to change, for us, it was bad news and we all have to bite the bullet and accept that we have slipped down the ladder and it will take time to recover.
However we still have a rich owner, who, it appears has no intention of seeing the dream destroyed completely, and unlike some other rich owners who treat a football club as a plaything, this owner wants the Club to remain on a firm business footing. So there will be no out of control spending spree, everything will be done sensibly to ensure that we have a future.
There is no saying that this is the correct approach, that is for others to decide.
My only gripe at the moment is the lack of clarity and the speed of remodelling the team itself, I too am in a hurry to see that success of recent years again, it tasted good while it lasted and I want some more of the same.
I guess I will have to be patient and hope for the best.

Sorry neggies if this isn't the way you see it but there you go, you do it your way and I will do it mine and we will see who is happiest in the end.
I agree.

The only variation I might make really amplifies your thoughts although I think you are absolutely right..

Financial soundness and survival are the be all and end all in football - nothing else matters.

This probably means that you spend small and wisely for your first year or 3 in the Premiership and once you are established you have to make the big decision, how much do you spend to fight it out for the top 3 or 4 positions.

A perfectly rational decision might be that you never do. It simply isn't worth it and that perhaps being in the middle is a sensible thing for a 32,000 seater Club to achieve. That is not an easy position to take but it might be the sensible one.

That would then encourage much greater interest in Cup competitions with perhaps bigger financial prizes to establish their status.

If you believe (as I do) that both FIFA and the FA are the wh*res of football who will always sell themselves for the next available £ then football will always gravitate towards the Clubs/Owners with pockets full of dirty money because nothing is ever going to change.

I actually get a real buzz of pleasure at being owned by some sensible, prudent Swiss people with a reputation for financial caution and rock solid security and I would MUCH rather see a year or 2 at building up the Club rather than aiming for the Moon and crashing down to earth in a flare out.
Crikey, the number of sensible posts happening right now is scary!
[quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC[/p][/quote]Im sure your the type who had 100% confidence in rupert lowe , wilde , poortvliet , harry etc etc[/p][/quote]A bit of a silly statement, everyone had confidence in Rupert at first, it took quite a while before the doubts began to creep in, but even the most deluded happy clappers realised that he was not evil, just totally incompetent at being the Chairman of a football club. Every time someone new comes along, you have to give them a chance to get it right, remember, when the last lot got it wrong we nearly died a death. However just for once we had a bit of luck, Markus Liebherr saw that we had something, and with his friend Nicola bought into the dream, for five years we had the pleasure of revelling in that dream. Sadly all good things come to an end, things have to change, for us, it was bad news and we all have to bite the bullet and accept that we have slipped down the ladder and it will take time to recover. However we still have a rich owner, who, it appears has no intention of seeing the dream destroyed completely, and unlike some other rich owners who treat a football club as a plaything, this owner wants the Club to remain on a firm business footing. So there will be no out of control spending spree, everything will be done sensibly to ensure that we have a future. There is no saying that this is the correct approach, that is for others to decide. My only gripe at the moment is the lack of clarity and the speed of remodelling the team itself, I too am in a hurry to see that success of recent years again, it tasted good while it lasted and I want some more of the same. I guess I will have to be patient and hope for the best. Sorry neggies if this isn't the way you see it but there you go, you do it your way and I will do it mine and we will see who is happiest in the end.[/p][/quote]I agree. The only variation I might make really amplifies your thoughts although I think you are absolutely right.. Financial soundness and survival are the be all and end all in football - nothing else matters. This probably means that you spend small and wisely for your first year or 3 in the Premiership and once you are established you have to make the big decision, how much do you spend to fight it out for the top 3 or 4 positions. A perfectly rational decision might be that you never do. It simply isn't worth it and that perhaps being in the middle is a sensible thing for a 32,000 seater Club to achieve. That is not an easy position to take but it might be the sensible one. That would then encourage much greater interest in Cup competitions with perhaps bigger financial prizes to establish their status. If you believe (as I do) that both FIFA and the FA are the wh*res of football who will always sell themselves for the next available £ then football will always gravitate towards the Clubs/Owners with pockets full of dirty money because nothing is ever going to change. I actually get a real buzz of pleasure at being owned by some sensible, prudent Swiss people with a reputation for financial caution and rock solid security and I would MUCH rather see a year or 2 at building up the Club rather than aiming for the Moon and crashing down to earth in a flare out.[/p][/quote]Crikey, the number of sensible posts happening right now is scary! CheltenhamSaint
  • Score: 3

3:06pm Tue 22 Jul 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

Get Forster in for £8m and sell him next season to Liverpool for £20m. Give it 5 years and we'll bankrupt them and increase St Mary's to 40,000 and have more England International players than them out of our famed Academy!
Get Forster in for £8m and sell him next season to Liverpool for £20m. Give it 5 years and we'll bankrupt them and increase St Mary's to 40,000 and have more England International players than them out of our famed Academy! allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 7

3:28pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
Get Forster in for £8m and sell him next season to Liverpool for £20m. Give it 5 years and we'll bankrupt them and increase St Mary's to 40,000 and have more England International players than them out of our famed Academy!
Good plan. It would be great to bankrupt Thievingskiverpool. Problem is with the way Brenda is blowing all the Bugs Bunny cash if he doesn't get instant success he'll be down the road before the double dealing, untrustworthy Argie at big time wannabes Spudhampton. Get your money on now. You read it here first.
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: Get Forster in for £8m and sell him next season to Liverpool for £20m. Give it 5 years and we'll bankrupt them and increase St Mary's to 40,000 and have more England International players than them out of our famed Academy![/p][/quote]Good plan. It would be great to bankrupt Thievingskiverpool. Problem is with the way Brenda is blowing all the Bugs Bunny cash if he doesn't get instant success he'll be down the road before the double dealing, untrustworthy Argie at big time wannabes Spudhampton. Get your money on now. You read it here first. Clever Dick
  • Score: 5

4:13pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

This will be a great signing. Time for some ins rather than outs too.
This will be a great signing. Time for some ins rather than outs too. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 7

4:15pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

CheltenhamSaint wrote:
I wonder if all Saints fans are as deluded as most of those on here. I appreciate loyalty can do funny things to the brain, but here's the thing....

Every club in the world bar maybe Barca and Real are selling clubs IF the price is right (PSG and Man City possibly but their resolve hasnt really been tested yet). So why on earth wouldnt Saints be one too? I was a bit disappointed how easily we let Lambert go, but we got way over the market value for Shaw and Lallana. We have to realise that any player who sees Saints as the ultimate pinnacle of what they can achieve doesnt have the hunger we demand. I know that's tough to accept, but it's true. It's far better to place your loyalty with the club, rather than a guy who is only ever going to be interested in their own career. If Pelle & Tadic prove to be adequate replacements then we have done excellent business. And we should definitely be able to replace Shaw quite easily for the money we got - not necessarily in relation to what he could have been, but what he is right now.

But there's more to it than that. The examples of Lallana and Shaw (and Morgan/Lovren if we get crazy bids for them too) or the ones parents will look at when deciding which club is right for their talented child. Come to Saints, let their academy train you and grow with their first team - one day you too could play at Old Trafford or Anfield. I'm afraid to a neutral looking for the best career possible, its better than the prospect of being held to a long contract until over half your career is behind you. It is the best way of attracting the brightest young prospects to the club.

I am afraid we are a long way behind the leading clubs in this country. We could try to spend our way into that club - but we dont have Chelsea/Man City's money (and FFP has put a stop to that anyway). Plus look what happened to Leeds when tried the same thing. Everton is the model for us to follow - grow sensibly and organically. If people offer stupid money a la Fellani/Rooney/Rodwe

ll then make the right business decision and invest that money back into the squad (and hopefully the stadium when the time is right)
Some very valid points CheltenhamSaint. But tell me why I have heard Ralph, Les and now Ron all say we are not a selling club?
[quote][p][bold]CheltenhamSaint[/bold] wrote: I wonder if all Saints fans are as deluded as most of those on here. I appreciate loyalty can do funny things to the brain, but here's the thing.... Every club in the world bar maybe Barca and Real are selling clubs IF the price is right (PSG and Man City possibly but their resolve hasnt really been tested yet). So why on earth wouldnt Saints be one too? I was a bit disappointed how easily we let Lambert go, but we got way over the market value for Shaw and Lallana. We have to realise that any player who sees Saints as the ultimate pinnacle of what they can achieve doesnt have the hunger we demand. I know that's tough to accept, but it's true. It's far better to place your loyalty with the club, rather than a guy who is only ever going to be interested in their own career. If Pelle & Tadic prove to be adequate replacements then we have done excellent business. And we should definitely be able to replace Shaw quite easily for the money we got - not necessarily in relation to what he could have been, but what he is right now. But there's more to it than that. The examples of Lallana and Shaw (and Morgan/Lovren if we get crazy bids for them too) or the ones parents will look at when deciding which club is right for their talented child. Come to Saints, let their academy train you and grow with their first team - one day you too could play at Old Trafford or Anfield. I'm afraid to a neutral looking for the best career possible, its better than the prospect of being held to a long contract until over half your career is behind you. It is the best way of attracting the brightest young prospects to the club. I am afraid we are a long way behind the leading clubs in this country. We could try to spend our way into that club - but we dont have Chelsea/Man City's money (and FFP has put a stop to that anyway). Plus look what happened to Leeds when tried the same thing. Everton is the model for us to follow - grow sensibly and organically. If people offer stupid money a la Fellani/Rooney/Rodwe ll then make the right business decision and invest that money back into the squad (and hopefully the stadium when the time is right)[/p][/quote]Some very valid points CheltenhamSaint. But tell me why I have heard Ralph, Les and now Ron all say we are not a selling club? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 7

4:41pm Tue 22 Jul 14

saint christopher says...

Seems offer rejected as "derisory". Unfortunately (a) people know we have the case and (b) we don't seem prepared to pay the going rate - which at the moment is getting us nowhere.
Seems offer rejected as "derisory". Unfortunately (a) people know we have the case and (b) we don't seem prepared to pay the going rate - which at the moment is getting us nowhere. saint christopher
  • Score: 3

4:48pm Tue 22 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

Seems like our offer was derisory and no where near the reported £7.5m
still it got us lot excited for a few hours ..again.

I don't even think we are actually trying to sign these players, we are putting in very low, cheeky bids, knowing they will be rejected, just to appease us fans.

The players list that we are supposed to be in for is pretty good, but landing any of them is a different matter.
Seems like our offer was derisory and no where near the reported £7.5m still it got us lot excited for a few hours ..again. I don't even think we are actually trying to sign these players, we are putting in very low, cheeky bids, knowing they will be rejected, just to appease us fans. The players list that we are supposed to be in for is pretty good, but landing any of them is a different matter. costa gaz
  • Score: 5

5:25pm Tue 22 Jul 14

notaclue says...

costa gaz wrote:
Seems like our offer was derisory and no where near the reported £7.5m
still it got us lot excited for a few hours ..again.

I don't even think we are actually trying to sign these players, we are putting in very low, cheeky bids, knowing they will be rejected, just to appease us fans.

The players list that we are supposed to be in for is pretty good, but landing any of them is a different matter.
They said our offer was far lower than £7.5m in that same statement.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Seems like our offer was derisory and no where near the reported £7.5m still it got us lot excited for a few hours ..again. I don't even think we are actually trying to sign these players, we are putting in very low, cheeky bids, knowing they will be rejected, just to appease us fans. The players list that we are supposed to be in for is pretty good, but landing any of them is a different matter.[/p][/quote]They said our offer was far lower than £7.5m in that same statement. notaclue
  • Score: 0

5:29pm Tue 22 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

milton road wrote:
According to paper talk on Sky Spurs will shortly sign both Schneiderlin and Jay. The betting is odds on Morgan going to Spurs. yet there has not even been a bid. I can't see either being allowed to leave for less then 25 mil and Spurs do not have that sort of money, they had to do a player swap deal with Swansea to get who they wanted.
Trouble with the sky site it used to keep to facts, now it lumps all the betting odds and pasper rumors on its site totally devaluing it.
Spurs are already swamped with midfield players and forwards.
So much rubbish on the internet hard to find the truth.
Can understand Saints not broadcasting who they want to sign, Liverpool would probably jump in first lol. Think there are one or two surprises yet hopefully positive ones.
I think sky try to start a betting frenzie with the latest rumours just to get people betting on SKYBET, and most of the time it works.
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: According to paper talk on Sky Spurs will shortly sign both Schneiderlin and Jay. The betting is odds on Morgan going to Spurs. yet there has not even been a bid. I can't see either being allowed to leave for less then 25 mil and Spurs do not have that sort of money, they had to do a player swap deal with Swansea to get who they wanted. Trouble with the sky site it used to keep to facts, now it lumps all the betting odds and pasper rumors on its site totally devaluing it. Spurs are already swamped with midfield players and forwards. So much rubbish on the internet hard to find the truth. Can understand Saints not broadcasting who they want to sign, Liverpool would probably jump in first lol. Think there are one or two surprises yet hopefully positive ones.[/p][/quote]I think sky try to start a betting frenzie with the latest rumours just to get people betting on SKYBET, and most of the time it works. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 2

5:35pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Mosschops says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
CheltenhamSaint wrote:
I wonder if all Saints fans are as deluded as most of those on here. I appreciate loyalty can do funny things to the brain, but here's the thing....

Every club in the world bar maybe Barca and Real are selling clubs IF the price is right (PSG and Man City possibly but their resolve hasnt really been tested yet). So why on earth wouldnt Saints be one too? I was a bit disappointed how easily we let Lambert go, but we got way over the market value for Shaw and Lallana. We have to realise that any player who sees Saints as the ultimate pinnacle of what they can achieve doesnt have the hunger we demand. I know that's tough to accept, but it's true. It's far better to place your loyalty with the club, rather than a guy who is only ever going to be interested in their own career. If Pelle & Tadic prove to be adequate replacements then we have done excellent business. And we should definitely be able to replace Shaw quite easily for the money we got - not necessarily in relation to what he could have been, but what he is right now.

But there's more to it than that. The examples of Lallana and Shaw (and Morgan/Lovren if we get crazy bids for them too) or the ones parents will look at when deciding which club is right for their talented child. Come to Saints, let their academy train you and grow with their first team - one day you too could play at Old Trafford or Anfield. I'm afraid to a neutral looking for the best career possible, its better than the prospect of being held to a long contract until over half your career is behind you. It is the best way of attracting the brightest young prospects to the club.

I am afraid we are a long way behind the leading clubs in this country. We could try to spend our way into that club - but we dont have Chelsea/Man City's money (and FFP has put a stop to that anyway). Plus look what happened to Leeds when tried the same thing. Everton is the model for us to follow - grow sensibly and organically. If people offer stupid money a la Fellani/Rooney/Rodwe


ll then make the right business decision and invest that money back into the squad (and hopefully the stadium when the time is right)
Some very valid points CheltenhamSaint. But tell me why I have heard Ralph, Les and now Ron all say we are not a selling club?
It depends on the definition of Selling club. Every team bar Barca and Real are selling clubs if it means selling a first team player. But to me Les used the term to mean we don't have to sell to stay alive, like we always used to do when we sold our prized asset each year from Chivers to Shearer, Bale, Walcott, Davies, Wallaces, Bridge etc. They were sold to break even. Now we already break even so don't NEED to sell for that reason. Sadly the players and agents have the power so we sell but for different reasons. Again I say.... Let's see who we bring in.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CheltenhamSaint[/bold] wrote: I wonder if all Saints fans are as deluded as most of those on here. I appreciate loyalty can do funny things to the brain, but here's the thing.... Every club in the world bar maybe Barca and Real are selling clubs IF the price is right (PSG and Man City possibly but their resolve hasnt really been tested yet). So why on earth wouldnt Saints be one too? I was a bit disappointed how easily we let Lambert go, but we got way over the market value for Shaw and Lallana. We have to realise that any player who sees Saints as the ultimate pinnacle of what they can achieve doesnt have the hunger we demand. I know that's tough to accept, but it's true. It's far better to place your loyalty with the club, rather than a guy who is only ever going to be interested in their own career. If Pelle & Tadic prove to be adequate replacements then we have done excellent business. And we should definitely be able to replace Shaw quite easily for the money we got - not necessarily in relation to what he could have been, but what he is right now. But there's more to it than that. The examples of Lallana and Shaw (and Morgan/Lovren if we get crazy bids for them too) or the ones parents will look at when deciding which club is right for their talented child. Come to Saints, let their academy train you and grow with their first team - one day you too could play at Old Trafford or Anfield. I'm afraid to a neutral looking for the best career possible, its better than the prospect of being held to a long contract until over half your career is behind you. It is the best way of attracting the brightest young prospects to the club. I am afraid we are a long way behind the leading clubs in this country. We could try to spend our way into that club - but we dont have Chelsea/Man City's money (and FFP has put a stop to that anyway). Plus look what happened to Leeds when tried the same thing. Everton is the model for us to follow - grow sensibly and organically. If people offer stupid money a la Fellani/Rooney/Rodwe ll then make the right business decision and invest that money back into the squad (and hopefully the stadium when the time is right)[/p][/quote]Some very valid points CheltenhamSaint. But tell me why I have heard Ralph, Les and now Ron all say we are not a selling club?[/p][/quote]It depends on the definition of Selling club. Every team bar Barca and Real are selling clubs if it means selling a first team player. But to me Les used the term to mean we don't have to sell to stay alive, like we always used to do when we sold our prized asset each year from Chivers to Shearer, Bale, Walcott, Davies, Wallaces, Bridge etc. They were sold to break even. Now we already break even so don't NEED to sell for that reason. Sadly the players and agents have the power so we sell but for different reasons. Again I say.... Let's see who we bring in. Mosschops
  • Score: -2

5:37pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Mosschops says...

Celtic fans are gutted at the prospect but quite like the idea of the Holy Goalie as a part exchange. They also say "not bloody Southampton again" in the same way we do Liverpool. Get him in.
Celtic fans are gutted at the prospect but quite like the idea of the Holy Goalie as a part exchange. They also say "not bloody Southampton again" in the same way we do Liverpool. Get him in. Mosschops
  • Score: -1

5:48pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

notaclue wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Seems like our offer was derisory and no where near the reported £7.5m
still it got us lot excited for a few hours ..again.

I don't even think we are actually trying to sign these players, we are putting in very low, cheeky bids, knowing they will be rejected, just to appease us fans.

The players list that we are supposed to be in for is pretty good, but landing any of them is a different matter.
They said our offer was far lower than £7.5m in that same statement.
If they took our first offer I would be a bit suspicious! I would be expecting to find an elephant in the room, something would not be right. If we haggle and come to a compromise that wouldn't see us being ripped off, fine line between a fair deal and a complete rook.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Seems like our offer was derisory and no where near the reported £7.5m still it got us lot excited for a few hours ..again. I don't even think we are actually trying to sign these players, we are putting in very low, cheeky bids, knowing they will be rejected, just to appease us fans. The players list that we are supposed to be in for is pretty good, but landing any of them is a different matter.[/p][/quote]They said our offer was far lower than £7.5m in that same statement.[/p][/quote]If they took our first offer I would be a bit suspicious! I would be expecting to find an elephant in the room, something would not be right. If we haggle and come to a compromise that wouldn't see us being ripped off, fine line between a fair deal and a complete rook. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

5:51pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

CheltenhamSaint wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC
Im sure your the type who had 100% confidence in rupert lowe , wilde , poortvliet , harry etc etc
A bit of a silly statement, everyone had confidence in Rupert at first, it took quite a while before the doubts began to creep in, but even the most deluded happy clappers realised that he was not evil, just totally incompetent at being the Chairman of a football club. Every time someone new comes along, you have to give them a chance to get it right, remember, when the last lot got it wrong we nearly died a death. However just for once we had a bit of luck, Markus Liebherr saw that we had something, and with his friend Nicola bought into the dream, for five years we had the pleasure of revelling in that dream.
Sadly all good things come to an end, things have to change, for us, it was bad news and we all have to bite the bullet and accept that we have slipped down the ladder and it will take time to recover.
However we still have a rich owner, who, it appears has no intention of seeing the dream destroyed completely, and unlike some other rich owners who treat a football club as a plaything, this owner wants the Club to remain on a firm business footing. So there will be no out of control spending spree, everything will be done sensibly to ensure that we have a future.
There is no saying that this is the correct approach, that is for others to decide.
My only gripe at the moment is the lack of clarity and the speed of remodelling the team itself, I too am in a hurry to see that success of recent years again, it tasted good while it lasted and I want some more of the same.
I guess I will have to be patient and hope for the best.

Sorry neggies if this isn't the way you see it but there you go, you do it your way and I will do it mine and we will see who is happiest in the end.
I agree.

The only variation I might make really amplifies your thoughts although I think you are absolutely right..

Financial soundness and survival are the be all and end all in football - nothing else matters.

This probably means that you spend small and wisely for your first year or 3 in the Premiership and once you are established you have to make the big decision, how much do you spend to fight it out for the top 3 or 4 positions.

A perfectly rational decision might be that you never do. It simply isn't worth it and that perhaps being in the middle is a sensible thing for a 32,000 seater Club to achieve. That is not an easy position to take but it might be the sensible one.

That would then encourage much greater interest in Cup competitions with perhaps bigger financial prizes to establish their status.

If you believe (as I do) that both FIFA and the FA are the wh*res of football who will always sell themselves for the next available £ then football will always gravitate towards the Clubs/Owners with pockets full of dirty money because nothing is ever going to change.

I actually get a real buzz of pleasure at being owned by some sensible, prudent Swiss people with a reputation for financial caution and rock solid security and I would MUCH rather see a year or 2 at building up the Club rather than aiming for the Moon and crashing down to earth in a flare out.
Crikey, the number of sensible posts happening right now is scary!
Patience please, the WUMs aren't home from school or back from signing on yet.
[quote][p][bold]CheltenhamSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC[/p][/quote]Im sure your the type who had 100% confidence in rupert lowe , wilde , poortvliet , harry etc etc[/p][/quote]A bit of a silly statement, everyone had confidence in Rupert at first, it took quite a while before the doubts began to creep in, but even the most deluded happy clappers realised that he was not evil, just totally incompetent at being the Chairman of a football club. Every time someone new comes along, you have to give them a chance to get it right, remember, when the last lot got it wrong we nearly died a death. However just for once we had a bit of luck, Markus Liebherr saw that we had something, and with his friend Nicola bought into the dream, for five years we had the pleasure of revelling in that dream. Sadly all good things come to an end, things have to change, for us, it was bad news and we all have to bite the bullet and accept that we have slipped down the ladder and it will take time to recover. However we still have a rich owner, who, it appears has no intention of seeing the dream destroyed completely, and unlike some other rich owners who treat a football club as a plaything, this owner wants the Club to remain on a firm business footing. So there will be no out of control spending spree, everything will be done sensibly to ensure that we have a future. There is no saying that this is the correct approach, that is for others to decide. My only gripe at the moment is the lack of clarity and the speed of remodelling the team itself, I too am in a hurry to see that success of recent years again, it tasted good while it lasted and I want some more of the same. I guess I will have to be patient and hope for the best. Sorry neggies if this isn't the way you see it but there you go, you do it your way and I will do it mine and we will see who is happiest in the end.[/p][/quote]I agree. The only variation I might make really amplifies your thoughts although I think you are absolutely right.. Financial soundness and survival are the be all and end all in football - nothing else matters. This probably means that you spend small and wisely for your first year or 3 in the Premiership and once you are established you have to make the big decision, how much do you spend to fight it out for the top 3 or 4 positions. A perfectly rational decision might be that you never do. It simply isn't worth it and that perhaps being in the middle is a sensible thing for a 32,000 seater Club to achieve. That is not an easy position to take but it might be the sensible one. That would then encourage much greater interest in Cup competitions with perhaps bigger financial prizes to establish their status. If you believe (as I do) that both FIFA and the FA are the wh*res of football who will always sell themselves for the next available £ then football will always gravitate towards the Clubs/Owners with pockets full of dirty money because nothing is ever going to change. I actually get a real buzz of pleasure at being owned by some sensible, prudent Swiss people with a reputation for financial caution and rock solid security and I would MUCH rather see a year or 2 at building up the Club rather than aiming for the Moon and crashing down to earth in a flare out.[/p][/quote]Crikey, the number of sensible posts happening right now is scary![/p][/quote]Patience please, the WUMs aren't home from school or back from signing on yet. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -5

6:45pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Mosschops wrote:
Celtic fans are gutted at the prospect but quite like the idea of the Holy Goalie as a part exchange. They also say "not bloody Southampton again" in the same way we do Liverpool. Get him in.
Except that we are looking for a GK to compete with Artur not to replace him.
[quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: Celtic fans are gutted at the prospect but quite like the idea of the Holy Goalie as a part exchange. They also say "not bloody Southampton again" in the same way we do Liverpool. Get him in.[/p][/quote]Except that we are looking for a GK to compete with Artur not to replace him. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

7:01pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Mosin85 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC
Im sure your the type who had 100% confidence in rupert lowe , wilde , poortvliet , harry etc etc
A bit of a silly statement, everyone had confidence in Rupert at first, it took quite a while before the doubts began to creep in, but even the most deluded happy clappers realised that he was not evil, just totally incompetent at being the Chairman of a football club. Every time someone new comes along, you have to give them a chance to get it right, remember, when the last lot got it wrong we nearly died a death. However just for once we had a bit of luck, Markus Liebherr saw that we had something, and with his friend Nicola bought into the dream, for five years we had the pleasure of revelling in that dream.
Sadly all good things come to an end, things have to change, for us, it was bad news and we all have to bite the bullet and accept that we have slipped down the ladder and it will take time to recover.
However we still have a rich owner, who, it appears has no intention of seeing the dream destroyed completely, and unlike some other rich owners who treat a football club as a plaything, this owner wants the Club to remain on a firm business footing. So there will be no out of control spending spree, everything will be done sensibly to ensure that we have a future.
There is no saying that this is the correct approach, that is for others to decide.
My only gripe at the moment is the lack of clarity and the speed of remodelling the team itself, I too am in a hurry to see that success of recent years again, it tasted good while it lasted and I want some more of the same.
I guess I will have to be patient and hope for the best.

Sorry neggies if this isn't the way you see it but there you go, you do it your way and I will do it mine and we will see who is happiest in the end.
some ones probs already said it ( i have not read all comments yet having been at work and only just got home and started reading the comments ) but AWESOME post. is just perfect in every way and is realistic. thing people have to remember about are billionair owner is her money is not an endless supply like man citys and chelsea who dispite all the money they have spent are getting richer and richer. if KL was to dump 600 million inot Saints it woudl take her years to get it back,not for city n chelsea a few months down the line and they got the money back.

But i for one hate City and Chelsea for the way they have BROUGHT them selfs to top the table, least this way we will be able to hold are heads sky high and be PROUD to say we did it the RIGHT way and did not need a sugar daddy to spend million and millions to get us to the top, we used hard work and dedication with cleaver people running the club, players will leave its a fact of life but it shows the club are doing it right.

you can see the club have tried to keep the players as they did not except the first bid that come in and held out for mega money on players who are only worth half of what we sold them for. i know we need more players and it is likely more will leave eg Morgan and Lovren, but we will get replacements, RK has not been at the club long and did not have a list of players HE wants to bring into the club, give him and the club time, i know the season is going to start soon and it might be a bumpy start to it, but in the end i believe the club will come out smiling and i will still be a proud saints support even if we get relegated and it might if we do get relegated be a start of the FA making new rules with regards to players power over clubs. as im sure KL is bright red in the face watching the dream of her father being rippped apart by greedy players. no point keeping players who dont want to wear the shirt they will never perform to level we know they can if we force them to stay.

Long post soz all.

again awesome post OSPREYSAINT

one can hope and dream
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: I have 100% trust in Dave Watson, Ronald Koeman his Staff, Les Reed and the Board, only the best is good enough for SFC[/p][/quote]Im sure your the type who had 100% confidence in rupert lowe , wilde , poortvliet , harry etc etc[/p][/quote]A bit of a silly statement, everyone had confidence in Rupert at first, it took quite a while before the doubts began to creep in, but even the most deluded happy clappers realised that he was not evil, just totally incompetent at being the Chairman of a football club. Every time someone new comes along, you have to give them a chance to get it right, remember, when the last lot got it wrong we nearly died a death. However just for once we had a bit of luck, Markus Liebherr saw that we had something, and with his friend Nicola bought into the dream, for five years we had the pleasure of revelling in that dream. Sadly all good things come to an end, things have to change, for us, it was bad news and we all have to bite the bullet and accept that we have slipped down the ladder and it will take time to recover. However we still have a rich owner, who, it appears has no intention of seeing the dream destroyed completely, and unlike some other rich owners who treat a football club as a plaything, this owner wants the Club to remain on a firm business footing. So there will be no out of control spending spree, everything will be done sensibly to ensure that we have a future. There is no saying that this is the correct approach, that is for others to decide. My only gripe at the moment is the lack of clarity and the speed of remodelling the team itself, I too am in a hurry to see that success of recent years again, it tasted good while it lasted and I want some more of the same. I guess I will have to be patient and hope for the best. Sorry neggies if this isn't the way you see it but there you go, you do it your way and I will do it mine and we will see who is happiest in the end.[/p][/quote]some ones probs already said it ( i have not read all comments yet having been at work and only just got home and started reading the comments ) but AWESOME post. is just perfect in every way and is realistic. thing people have to remember about are billionair owner is her money is not an endless supply like man citys and chelsea who dispite all the money they have spent are getting richer and richer. if KL was to dump 600 million inot Saints it woudl take her years to get it back,not for city n chelsea a few months down the line and they got the money back. But i for one hate City and Chelsea for the way they have BROUGHT them selfs to top the table, least this way we will be able to hold are heads sky high and be PROUD to say we did it the RIGHT way and did not need a sugar daddy to spend million and millions to get us to the top, we used hard work and dedication with cleaver people running the club, players will leave its a fact of life but it shows the club are doing it right. you can see the club have tried to keep the players as they did not except the first bid that come in and held out for mega money on players who are only worth half of what we sold them for. i know we need more players and it is likely more will leave eg Morgan and Lovren, but we will get replacements, RK has not been at the club long and did not have a list of players HE wants to bring into the club, give him and the club time, i know the season is going to start soon and it might be a bumpy start to it, but in the end i believe the club will come out smiling and i will still be a proud saints support even if we get relegated and it might if we do get relegated be a start of the FA making new rules with regards to players power over clubs. as im sure KL is bright red in the face watching the dream of her father being rippped apart by greedy players. no point keeping players who dont want to wear the shirt they will never perform to level we know they can if we force them to stay. Long post soz all. again awesome post OSPREYSAINT one can hope and dream Mosin85
  • Score: -4

7:06pm Tue 22 Jul 14

This is Southampton and we are the Saints says...

costa gaz wrote:
Seems like our offer was derisory and no where near the reported £7.5m
still it got us lot excited for a few hours ..again.

I don't even think we are actually trying to sign these players, we are putting in very low, cheeky bids, knowing they will be rejected, just to appease us fans.

The players list that we are supposed to be in for is pretty good, but landing any of them is a different matter.
Think you are spot on I've also been thinking this over the last couple of weeks don't think they have any intention of bringing in anymore players well none that will get the fans excited all just smoke and mirrors like you said just to keep the fans happy! That money is well and truly banked!
And they will stick with the youth at there own peril! That could be a very dangerous gabble if it dose not work?
Hey only time will tell!
This southampton and we are the Saints
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Seems like our offer was derisory and no where near the reported £7.5m still it got us lot excited for a few hours ..again. I don't even think we are actually trying to sign these players, we are putting in very low, cheeky bids, knowing they will be rejected, just to appease us fans. The players list that we are supposed to be in for is pretty good, but landing any of them is a different matter.[/p][/quote]Think you are spot on I've also been thinking this over the last couple of weeks don't think they have any intention of bringing in anymore players well none that will get the fans excited all just smoke and mirrors like you said just to keep the fans happy! That money is well and truly banked! And they will stick with the youth at there own peril! That could be a very dangerous gabble if it dose not work? Hey only time will tell! This southampton and we are the Saints This is Southampton and we are the Saints
  • Score: 3

7:08pm Tue 22 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

But Reed is hoping that the new boss at St Mary’s will be given the chance to convince any players thinking of leaving to stay, while he is optimistic of adding to the squad regardless of any exits.

"Ralph (Krueger, Southampton chairman) mentioned we’d had bids and enquiries for our players – but not as many as I thought," Reed told the Southern Daily Echo.

"When I said (back in April) that it wasn’t our intention to sell any players, that was correct – it wasn’t our intention to sell any players.

"The important thing about what I said then was that we’d had no bids, and at that point we hadn’t. We’ve had enquiries and we’ve had some bids.

"However, there is no way that I or the board were going to make any decisions without the new manager having the opportunity to assess those players and their value to the squad, and having the opportunity to talk to them and to try to persuade them that this was the place to be."

Reed maintains that the new man will be allowed to strengthen the squad with any profits from departing players, but is hopeful that the Saints will be able to hold on to their main men.

"We will only make decisions based on what’s right and best for the club, so if we do sell players then it’s guaranteed that any revenues we make will be reinvested in the team," he said.

"There’s a logistical job to be done there because we do want to bring players in and improve the team so it’s important that, whatever happens, when we do kick off on August 16 that we have improved the team and the depth and strength of the squad with the players that have come in, even if players may have gone out.

"However, our intention is to keep all of our core players – I wouldn’t want people to think I’ve just opened the door for transfers, that’s not the case."


can anyone tell me where he has lied?
did we sell the players without the knowledge of the new manager? NO Ronnie said he knew about the players leaving!
did les say we definitely wouldn't sell any players? NO he said it wasn't their intention to sell any players, however the players forced the clubs hands and whilst they didn't want to sell they got very good prices for them! better than we thought we might get.
did les reed say the money from sales would go into KL`s pockets or to pay off any debts, the training ground wasn't and never has been a debt, NO money has been spent on new players and more money is available, as seen in the bids we have made for other players!
has the transfer window finished? NO have we played the first game of the season? NO is there time to bring in new players? YES!

people need to get a grip!
calling for les reeds head is a joke! you or I don't know half of what hes doing behind the scenes, we don't know how far we have got with any possible transfers.
I know people want to blame someone for the players leaving, its a typical response, something happens you don't like so someone has to be to blame! well look no further than the previous chairman who made promises to the players that the club could never keep!
why are some calling for a magical new billionaire owner who is happy to throw away hundreds of millions of pounds to get into an unsustainable league position that will continue to need huge investments to keep us there or risk `doing a poopey`!
what happens if we do get a new magical owner who wants to change our shirt colour to blue and sack a very popular manager to appoint someone with little experience that gets us relegated like Cardiff? or if we get a new magical owner who wants to change the name of the club from Southampton fc to Southampton saints like hulls, or magical new owners who don't exist or promise huge investment but deliver nothing like poopeys? will you be happy then?
there no point calling people who support the club `happy clappers` we actually like it, it means we support the club and don't whine and moan at every little thing! most of you were wrong to moan at the club for accepting the £16mill bid for dejan, moaning that we got less than we were offered before. you were and are wrong about the `asset stripping` carp, the only evidence points the other way!
you moan we aren't buying this or that player or have brought/bid for others, you seem to think you know better than the manager and his staff! you say the `happy clappers` are delighted with what has happened but again couldn't be more wrong. no one is happy we have sold 3 just 3 players but we see the reasons they have gone and don't think theres some big conspiracy theory behind it! we see the clkasic `I hope im wrong` quote, no you don't, you want things to go wrong so you can tell us all how you were right all along. if you don't like what I or the rest of the `happy clappers` write then simply don't read it, I certainly don't read half of what the neggies write! a lot of you neggies have, in your anger, been fooled by a couple of WUMS who have multiple logins and are stoking the flames, they are easy to see if you take a step back and realise what they have been posting and how they post it. one thing is certain though, if we start the season well and win a few games most you wont mention what you have been carping on about all summer and the wums will disappear back into their little holes!
But Reed is hoping that the new boss at St Mary’s will be given the chance to convince any players thinking of leaving to stay, while he is optimistic of adding to the squad regardless of any exits. "Ralph (Krueger, Southampton chairman) mentioned we’d had bids and enquiries for our players – but not as many as I thought," Reed told the Southern Daily Echo. "When I said (back in April) that it wasn’t our intention to sell any players, that was correct – it wasn’t our intention to sell any players. "The important thing about what I said then was that we’d had no bids, and at that point we hadn’t. We’ve had enquiries and we’ve had some bids. "However, there is no way that I or the board were going to make any decisions without the new manager having the opportunity to assess those players and their value to the squad, and having the opportunity to talk to them and to try to persuade them that this was the place to be." Reed maintains that the new man will be allowed to strengthen the squad with any profits from departing players, but is hopeful that the Saints will be able to hold on to their main men. "We will only make decisions based on what’s right and best for the club, so if we do sell players then it’s guaranteed that any revenues we make will be reinvested in the team," he said. "There’s a logistical job to be done there because we do want to bring players in and improve the team so it’s important that, whatever happens, when we do kick off on August 16 that we have improved the team and the depth and strength of the squad with the players that have come in, even if players may have gone out. "However, our intention is to keep all of our core players – I wouldn’t want people to think I’ve just opened the door for transfers, that’s not the case." can anyone tell me where he has lied? did we sell the players without the knowledge of the new manager? NO Ronnie said he knew about the players leaving! did les say we definitely wouldn't sell any players? NO he said it wasn't their intention to sell any players, however the players forced the clubs hands and whilst they didn't want to sell they got very good prices for them! better than we thought we might get. did les reed say the money from sales would go into KL`s pockets or to pay off any debts, the training ground wasn't and never has been a debt, NO money has been spent on new players and more money is available, as seen in the bids we have made for other players! has the transfer window finished? NO have we played the first game of the season? NO is there time to bring in new players? YES! people need to get a grip! calling for les reeds head is a joke! you or I don't know half of what hes doing behind the scenes, we don't know how far we have got with any possible transfers. I know people want to blame someone for the players leaving, its a typical response, something happens you don't like so someone has to be to blame! well look no further than the previous chairman who made promises to the players that the club could never keep! why are some calling for a magical new billionaire owner who is happy to throw away hundreds of millions of pounds to get into an unsustainable league position that will continue to need huge investments to keep us there or risk `doing a poopey`! what happens if we do get a new magical owner who wants to change our shirt colour to blue and sack a very popular manager to appoint someone with little experience that gets us relegated like Cardiff? or if we get a new magical owner who wants to change the name of the club from Southampton fc to Southampton saints like hulls, or magical new owners who don't exist or promise huge investment but deliver nothing like poopeys? will you be happy then? there no point calling people who support the club `happy clappers` we actually like it, it means we support the club and don't whine and moan at every little thing! most of you were wrong to moan at the club for accepting the £16mill bid for dejan, moaning that we got less than we were offered before. you were and are wrong about the `asset stripping` carp, the only evidence points the other way! you moan we aren't buying this or that player or have brought/bid for others, you seem to think you know better than the manager and his staff! you say the `happy clappers` are delighted with what has happened but again couldn't be more wrong. no one is happy we have sold 3 just 3 players but we see the reasons they have gone and don't think theres some big conspiracy theory behind it! we see the clkasic `I hope im wrong` quote, no you don't, you want things to go wrong so you can tell us all how you were right all along. if you don't like what I or the rest of the `happy clappers` write then simply don't read it, I certainly don't read half of what the neggies write! a lot of you neggies have, in your anger, been fooled by a couple of WUMS who have multiple logins and are stoking the flames, they are easy to see if you take a step back and realise what they have been posting and how they post it. one thing is certain though, if we start the season well and win a few games most you wont mention what you have been carping on about all summer and the wums will disappear back into their little holes! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -17

7:26pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Chapperall says...

Seems like a good deal lets hope we get him as he is very good keeper. Let's hope we don't just groom him to flog him in a couple of years! At the moment we appear to be Liverpools academy !
Seems like a good deal lets hope we get him as he is very good keeper. Let's hope we don't just groom him to flog him in a couple of years! At the moment we appear to be Liverpools academy ! Chapperall
  • Score: 3

7:29pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

A brilliant signing if we get him. Can't see any negatives here.
A brilliant signing if we get him. Can't see any negatives here. Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 8

9:17pm Tue 22 Jul 14

echo1948 says...

There is no way we will buy any more players. That,s it. End of. What we have got is it. Spiderman out next, then J-Rod, it ain,t gonna stop until we are left with all youngsters for next season. So let,s get behind what we have got and get on with it! Saints for ever!
There is no way we will buy any more players. That,s it. End of. What we have got is it. Spiderman out next, then J-Rod, it ain,t gonna stop until we are left with all youngsters for next season. So let,s get behind what we have got and get on with it! Saints for ever! echo1948
  • Score: 4

11:39pm Tue 22 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

Paard 101 some of your post are the message boards equivalent to War and Peace, surely you can get your point across in in less than 2000 words.
I am sure no one reads them and just thumb down because it's too long.
Get to the point man ;)
Paard 101 some of your post are the message boards equivalent to War and Peace, surely you can get your point across in in less than 2000 words. I am sure no one reads them and just thumb down because it's too long. Get to the point man ;) costa gaz
  • Score: 10

12:28am Wed 23 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

costa gaz wrote:
Paard 101 some of your post are the message boards equivalent to War and Peace, surely you can get your point across in in less than 2000 words.
I am sure no one reads them and just thumb down because it's too long.
Get to the point man ;)
I read them, better than reading a four line negative dross filled rant as posted by certain other posters.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Paard 101 some of your post are the message boards equivalent to War and Peace, surely you can get your point across in in less than 2000 words. I am sure no one reads them and just thumb down because it's too long. Get to the point man ;)[/p][/quote]I read them, better than reading a four line negative dross filled rant as posted by certain other posters. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -8

7:51am Wed 23 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

costa gaz wrote:
Paard 101 some of your post are the message boards equivalent to War and Peace, surely you can get your point across in in less than 2000 words.
I am sure no one reads them and just thumb down because it's too long.
Get to the point man ;)
Your right I could just say,

"Theres a bunch of moaning whining fools on here of late who, in their anger, have been fooled by the obvious WUMS who are out to cause mayhem and mischief by posting outrageous lies!"

However in my post I added a statement by les reed and asked those calling him a liar where he has lied! Yet again there is no answer because they cant.

I will happily debate with anyone but certain WUMs are ruining these threads and will not debate just throw abuse and tell regular poster to leave the threads that they have been on for many years! Well if we did leave decent posters like you and seed would be left with them and they would turn on you, so we are doing you a service. Yes you and seed are decent posters, I might not agree with you but at least you can be debated with!
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Paard 101 some of your post are the message boards equivalent to War and Peace, surely you can get your point across in in less than 2000 words. I am sure no one reads them and just thumb down because it's too long. Get to the point man ;)[/p][/quote]Your right I could just say, "Theres a bunch of moaning whining fools on here of late who, in their anger, have been fooled by the obvious WUMS who are out to cause mayhem and mischief by posting outrageous lies!" However in my post I added a statement by les reed and asked those calling him a liar where he has lied! Yet again there is no answer because they cant. I will happily debate with anyone but certain WUMs are ruining these threads and will not debate just throw abuse and tell regular poster to leave the threads that they have been on for many years! Well if we did leave decent posters like you and seed would be left with them and they would turn on you, so we are doing you a service. Yes you and seed are decent posters, I might not agree with you but at least you can be debated with! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -5

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