Arsene Wenger says he is taking a calculated gamble in signing Saints defender Calum Chambers for £16m

Wenger: Signing Chambers is a

Wenger: Signing Chambers is a "gamble"

First published in Sport

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has explained the reasons behind his decision to sign Saints defender Calum Chambers.

The 19-year-old right back is expected to complete a £16m move to the Emirates Stadium, and the deal could be confirmed as early as today.

Wenger understands that the fee will be seen by many as surprisingly high for a teenager with just 18 Premier League starts to his name, but he says Chambers has enormous potential.

"He can play at centre-back, right-back and central midfield," he said. "I hope he will give us competition for the players in these three positions.

"He hasn't played many games, no, but the English players on the market in England are very expensive and, at the end of the day, I was ready to take a gamble because he is a player for the future."

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9:54am Mon 28 Jul 14

Blue means Success says...

As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus?

At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.
As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus? At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse. Blue means Success
  • Score: -53

9:56am Mon 28 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

By then
By then J7junctionseven
  • Score: 2

9:59am Mon 28 Jul 14

saintstu downunder says...

Chambers is an excellent young player, but to get 18m for him is incredible.

I'd like to add that, unlike the doom-mongers out there, I feel really excited about the season ahead. We've got an exceptional, young squad, a positive and good-football-playin
g manager and a shedload of cash to invest in some fresh blood.

To those berating the owners for the supposed 'fire-sale', remember that a few years ago we almost had no club to support. The Liebherrs can do little wrong in my mind, and, SRL aside, the recent major sales have been either forced on them/us (Lallana, Lovren) or have been where we've been able to make a major return on investment (Shaw, Chambers).

In all previous sales this season we've either had quality in the squad to come in (Targett, Clyne) or signed exciting replacements (Tadic, Pelle). I'm looking forward to a equal-or-better-than
-Lovren centre half to be signed in the coming days, and then an investment of some of the transfer money in a few more top quality players.

Keep the faith...

Up the Saints!
Chambers is an excellent young player, but to get 18m for him is incredible. I'd like to add that, unlike the doom-mongers out there, I feel really excited about the season ahead. We've got an exceptional, young squad, a positive and good-football-playin g manager and a shedload of cash to invest in some fresh blood. To those berating the owners for the supposed 'fire-sale', remember that a few years ago we almost had no club to support. The Liebherrs can do little wrong in my mind, and, SRL aside, the recent major sales have been either forced on them/us (Lallana, Lovren) or have been where we've been able to make a major return on investment (Shaw, Chambers). In all previous sales this season we've either had quality in the squad to come in (Targett, Clyne) or signed exciting replacements (Tadic, Pelle). I'm looking forward to a equal-or-better-than -Lovren centre half to be signed in the coming days, and then an investment of some of the transfer money in a few more top quality players. Keep the faith... Up the Saints! saintstu downunder
  • Score: 82

10:03am Mon 28 Jul 14

arthur boutfaith says...

Blue means Success wrote:
As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus?

At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.
We're busy counting all that cash (something you can only dream of) and working out the best way to spend it.
Probably on some more international players no doubt.
How was Ebbsfleet at the weekend?
[quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus? At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.[/p][/quote]We're busy counting all that cash (something you can only dream of) and working out the best way to spend it. Probably on some more international players no doubt. How was Ebbsfleet at the weekend? arthur boutfaith
  • Score: 29

10:04am Mon 28 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

Blue means Success wrote:
As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus?

At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.
What the f@ck has it got to do with you?
You should be concerned about your sh1t club especially after getting hammered by a non league team recently.
Jog on to the news site we're not interested in your boring repetitive comments.
COYR FOADP
[quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus? At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.[/p][/quote]What the f@ck has it got to do with you? You should be concerned about your sh1t club especially after getting hammered by a non league team recently. Jog on to the news site we're not interested in your boring repetitive comments. COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: 10

10:10am Mon 28 Jul 14

Blue means Success says...

arthur boutfaith wrote:
Blue means Success wrote:
As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus?

At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.
We're busy counting all that cash (something you can only dream of) and working out the best way to spend it.
Probably on some more international players no doubt.
How was Ebbsfleet at the weekend?
We have just contributed towards new training pitches. So we are still counting cash and also spending it.

No-one is having a dig at your club - just amazed at the lack of action.
[quote][p][bold]arthur boutfaith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus? At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.[/p][/quote]We're busy counting all that cash (something you can only dream of) and working out the best way to spend it. Probably on some more international players no doubt. How was Ebbsfleet at the weekend?[/p][/quote]We have just contributed towards new training pitches. So we are still counting cash and also spending it. No-one is having a dig at your club - just amazed at the lack of action. Blue means Success
  • Score: -9

10:12am Mon 28 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

Blue means Success wrote:
arthur boutfaith wrote:
Blue means Success wrote:
As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus?

At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.
We're busy counting all that cash (something you can only dream of) and working out the best way to spend it.
Probably on some more international players no doubt.
How was Ebbsfleet at the weekend?
We have just contributed towards new training pitches. So we are still counting cash and also spending it.

No-one is having a dig at your club - just amazed at the lack of action.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz......
..boring
[quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur boutfaith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus? At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.[/p][/quote]We're busy counting all that cash (something you can only dream of) and working out the best way to spend it. Probably on some more international players no doubt. How was Ebbsfleet at the weekend?[/p][/quote]We have just contributed towards new training pitches. So we are still counting cash and also spending it. No-one is having a dig at your club - just amazed at the lack of action.[/p][/quote]zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...... ..boring J7junctionseven
  • Score: 10

10:13am Mon 28 Jul 14

Crossley Place Saint says...

So now let's wait for the truth about Calum's transfer fee. The Telegraph this morning (where this story is lifted from, well done again Echo) says it is a "total" of £16M. I suspect this is made up mostly of add-ons and delayed payments, in much the same way as we've just signed the 15-year old goalie from Torquay for a "total" of £1.3M.
So now let's wait for the truth about Calum's transfer fee. The Telegraph this morning (where this story is lifted from, well done again Echo) says it is a "total" of £16M. I suspect this is made up mostly of add-ons and delayed payments, in much the same way as we've just signed the 15-year old goalie from Torquay for a "total" of £1.3M. Crossley Place Saint
  • Score: 5

10:14am Mon 28 Jul 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Blue means Success wrote:
As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus?

At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.
Sha la la la la la la laaaaaaa
[quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus? At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.[/p][/quote]Sha la la la la la la laaaaaaa SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 6

10:16am Mon 28 Jul 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

New season, new team...

If we manage to stay up, I think our new "business model" might catch on...
New season, new team... If we manage to stay up, I think our new "business model" might catch on... BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 10

10:17am Mon 28 Jul 14

St Van Roetford says...

Blue means Success wrote:
arthur boutfaith wrote:
Blue means Success wrote:
As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus?

At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.
We're busy counting all that cash (something you can only dream of) and working out the best way to spend it.
Probably on some more international players no doubt.
How was Ebbsfleet at the weekend?
We have just contributed towards new training pitches. So we are still counting cash and also spending it.

No-one is having a dig at your club - just amazed at the lack of action.
You've 'contributed'? That's very big of you. Well done everyone.
[quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur boutfaith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus? At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.[/p][/quote]We're busy counting all that cash (something you can only dream of) and working out the best way to spend it. Probably on some more international players no doubt. How was Ebbsfleet at the weekend?[/p][/quote]We have just contributed towards new training pitches. So we are still counting cash and also spending it. No-one is having a dig at your club - just amazed at the lack of action.[/p][/quote]You've 'contributed'? That's very big of you. Well done everyone. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 6

10:18am Mon 28 Jul 14

Graham, North of Watford says...

saintstu downunder wrote:
Chambers is an excellent young player, but to get 18m for him is incredible.

I'd like to add that, unlike the doom-mongers out there, I feel really excited about the season ahead. We've got an exceptional, young squad, a positive and good-football-playin

g manager and a shedload of cash to invest in some fresh blood.

To those berating the owners for the supposed 'fire-sale', remember that a few years ago we almost had no club to support. The Liebherrs can do little wrong in my mind, and, SRL aside, the recent major sales have been either forced on them/us (Lallana, Lovren) or have been where we've been able to make a major return on investment (Shaw, Chambers).

In all previous sales this season we've either had quality in the squad to come in (Targett, Clyne) or signed exciting replacements (Tadic, Pelle). I'm looking forward to a equal-or-better-than

-Lovren centre half to be signed in the coming days, and then an investment of some of the transfer money in a few more top quality players.

Keep the faith...

Up the Saints!
Yes indeed, keep the faith.

I absolutely trust the Liebherr dynasty to stick with the Club and am expecting to see the rebuilding of the team after Schneiderlein goes.

My disappointment is not aimed at the Board, it is not even aimed at the players who put reward before loyalty (you and I would do exactly the same.

It's football that is rotten to the core because it allows the richest owners the ability to under write quite literally vast quantities of debt to their clubs which the medium size Clubs can never compete with.

By definition the very best players will gravitate to the top 4/5 Clubs and there is nothing on this God's Earth that can stop it.

It's called Capitalism and, as Bob Dylan says, "money doesn't talk, it swears"
[quote][p][bold]saintstu downunder[/bold] wrote: Chambers is an excellent young player, but to get 18m for him is incredible. I'd like to add that, unlike the doom-mongers out there, I feel really excited about the season ahead. We've got an exceptional, young squad, a positive and good-football-playin g manager and a shedload of cash to invest in some fresh blood. To those berating the owners for the supposed 'fire-sale', remember that a few years ago we almost had no club to support. The Liebherrs can do little wrong in my mind, and, SRL aside, the recent major sales have been either forced on them/us (Lallana, Lovren) or have been where we've been able to make a major return on investment (Shaw, Chambers). In all previous sales this season we've either had quality in the squad to come in (Targett, Clyne) or signed exciting replacements (Tadic, Pelle). I'm looking forward to a equal-or-better-than -Lovren centre half to be signed in the coming days, and then an investment of some of the transfer money in a few more top quality players. Keep the faith... Up the Saints![/p][/quote]Yes indeed, keep the faith. I absolutely trust the Liebherr dynasty to stick with the Club and am expecting to see the rebuilding of the team after Schneiderlein goes. My disappointment is not aimed at the Board, it is not even aimed at the players who put reward before loyalty (you and I would do exactly the same. It's football that is rotten to the core because it allows the richest owners the ability to under write quite literally vast quantities of debt to their clubs which the medium size Clubs can never compete with. By definition the very best players will gravitate to the top 4/5 Clubs and there is nothing on this God's Earth that can stop it. It's called Capitalism and, as Bob Dylan says, "money doesn't talk, it swears" Graham, North of Watford
  • Score: 30

10:19am Mon 28 Jul 14

kingsaint76 says...

Great money for another teenager and we can't stop them, so let's just look to the future. We need to make sure our signings are quality and there's competition in all places, good start with our first two new guys, I've a feeling Ramirez is gonna be like a new signing, we do need a new centre half though!!
Great money for another teenager and we can't stop them, so let's just look to the future. We need to make sure our signings are quality and there's competition in all places, good start with our first two new guys, I've a feeling Ramirez is gonna be like a new signing, we do need a new centre half though!! kingsaint76
  • Score: 8

10:20am Mon 28 Jul 14

pitbull says...

It all may seem doom and gloom but where would our beloved club be now if SISU had bought us instead of Marcus.

It doesn't bear thinking about.
It all may seem doom and gloom but where would our beloved club be now if SISU had bought us instead of Marcus. It doesn't bear thinking about. pitbull
  • Score: 19

10:22am Mon 28 Jul 14

Malcombe says...

That's it I've had enough, I can't stand anymore of our best Players leaving so I've got the rope, I've seen the tree and I'm off, oh **** it I can't climb anything at the moment as I had my Hip replaced on the 20th June and it's 6 weeks come Friday when I can be more vigorous throw away the Crutches and drive again but no it will be too late as I will of lost my nerve, I'll suffer the demise and stay optimistic that this week new names of Players signings will spring out and Les Reed who I have praised endlessly and defended to the hilt will make all the Supporters day by making a honest transparent statement of what and why all this misery happened, this is now the time to show the Supporters that there is a Board at Southampton that really care about those that pay huge amounts to watch there favourite team, it's due, owed and deserved to all the Southampton Supporters for there patience, it's got to the point that the silence is unforgiven as it been far to long.
That's it I've had enough, I can't stand anymore of our best Players leaving so I've got the rope, I've seen the tree and I'm off, oh **** it I can't climb anything at the moment as I had my Hip replaced on the 20th June and it's 6 weeks come Friday when I can be more vigorous throw away the Crutches and drive again but no it will be too late as I will of lost my nerve, I'll suffer the demise and stay optimistic that this week new names of Players signings will spring out and Les Reed who I have praised endlessly and defended to the hilt will make all the Supporters day by making a honest transparent statement of what and why all this misery happened, this is now the time to show the Supporters that there is a Board at Southampton that really care about those that pay huge amounts to watch there favourite team, it's due, owed and deserved to all the Southampton Supporters for there patience, it's got to the point that the silence is unforgiven as it been far to long. Malcombe
  • Score: 7

10:23am Mon 28 Jul 14

bathsaints says...

ARSE - ne , if he is a gamble then how about you give us millions for him and then loan him back for the rest of the season so we can continue his development and aren't completely decimated by big clubs who have huge squads already........if he isn't loaned back how about Micah Richards (RB and CB and still young) or that American full back (Fabian Johnson?) he looked good in the world cup...
ARSE - ne , if he is a gamble then how about you give us millions for him and then loan him back for the rest of the season so we can continue his development and aren't completely decimated by big clubs who have huge squads already........if he isn't loaned back how about Micah Richards (RB and CB and still young) or that American full back (Fabian Johnson?) he looked good in the world cup... bathsaints
  • Score: 4

10:25am Mon 28 Jul 14

BracknellSaint says...

Shouldn't Wenger wait until this is officially announced before shouting off?
Shouldn't Wenger wait until this is officially announced before shouting off? BracknellSaint
  • Score: 11

10:28am Mon 28 Jul 14

CB FRY LIVES says...

If MAVERICK WENGER signs Chambers it will give him another ACE IN THE PACK to add to Theo Walcot and Qxlade-Chamberlain.
Lets hope that Morgan Spiderman remains at ST MARYS and doesn't become an ace gunner.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
If MAVERICK WENGER signs Chambers it will give him another ACE IN THE PACK to add to Theo Walcot and Qxlade-Chamberlain. Lets hope that Morgan Spiderman remains at ST MARYS and doesn't become an ace gunner. COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES. CB FRY LIVES
  • Score: 5

10:32am Mon 28 Jul 14

Jesus_02 says...

Crossley Place Saint wrote:
So now let's wait for the truth about Calum's transfer fee. The Telegraph this morning (where this story is lifted from, well done again Echo) says it is a "total" of £16M. I suspect this is made up mostly of add-ons and delayed payments, in much the same way as we've just signed the 15-year old goalie from Torquay for a "total" of £1.3M.
I have heard everything from 6m to 16m. Again the club will not reveal the actual amount. A curt line about a significant amount is what I expect.

People need to get their heads round the fact that Katerina Lieber is a different person to Markus. He invested his money and even left a trust fund with which the club continued to invested last season. I wouldn’t be alarmist enough to say that she is asset stripping the club why appoint Koeman if she was doing that. I do think that she will be looking to make an ongoing profit from the club though, much like Lowe did. It’s her club after all.
[quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: So now let's wait for the truth about Calum's transfer fee. The Telegraph this morning (where this story is lifted from, well done again Echo) says it is a "total" of £16M. I suspect this is made up mostly of add-ons and delayed payments, in much the same way as we've just signed the 15-year old goalie from Torquay for a "total" of £1.3M.[/p][/quote]I have heard everything from 6m to 16m. Again the club will not reveal the actual amount. A curt line about a significant amount is what I expect. People need to get their heads round the fact that Katerina Lieber is a different person to Markus. He invested his money and even left a trust fund with which the club continued to invested last season. I wouldn’t be alarmist enough to say that she is asset stripping the club why appoint Koeman if she was doing that. I do think that she will be looking to make an ongoing profit from the club though, much like Lowe did. It’s her club after all. Jesus_02
  • Score: -2

10:35am Mon 28 Jul 14

Bazultra says...

Do me a favor arsene. I suppose Walcott and Chambo were a gamble too.
Do me a favor arsene. I suppose Walcott and Chambo were a gamble too. Bazultra
  • Score: 8

10:39am Mon 28 Jul 14

Bazultra says...

Im tired of losing our academy graduates to these vultures. Bring on the thumbs down. KATERINA OUT NOW
Im tired of losing our academy graduates to these vultures. Bring on the thumbs down. KATERINA OUT NOW Bazultra
  • Score: -18

10:41am Mon 28 Jul 14

COYRlukeCOYR says...

Fact is .. We are selling our best players and replacing them with **** ones. If this cb from Celtic is meant to be lovrens replacement i will literally have a mental breakdown. The **** SPL ? I mean come on now. Kathrina is a ruthless **** and I hope she does sale sell, **** tyrant. Its clear we aren't pushing on next season, its clear that the board are up for selling every decent player we possess. You can all stay as positive as you want but at the end of the day we are going backwards and that fat cow is reaping in all that money that she already has.. Being a billionaire and what not. Why sell a player for 20 and sign one for 10, logic??? No.. There ain't no ambition and I find it disgusting how much the board have lied. Very, very angry saints fan. Infuriating.
Fact is .. We are selling our best players and replacing them with **** ones. If this cb from Celtic is meant to be lovrens replacement i will literally have a mental breakdown. The **** SPL ? I mean come on now. Kathrina is a ruthless **** and I hope she does sale sell, **** tyrant. Its clear we aren't pushing on next season, its clear that the board are up for selling every decent player we possess. You can all stay as positive as you want but at the end of the day we are going backwards and that fat cow is reaping in all that money that she already has.. Being a billionaire and what not. Why sell a player for 20 and sign one for 10, logic??? No.. There ain't no ambition and I find it disgusting how much the board have lied. Very, very angry saints fan. Infuriating. COYRlukeCOYR
  • Score: -14

10:42am Mon 28 Jul 14

BarnetSaint says...

Oh shut up Wenger you bore.
You know damned well that you have shafted us over this.
The kid is absolute quality and his value will soar.
Another great piece of business by reed and his cronies.
Oh shut up Wenger you bore. You know damned well that you have shafted us over this. The kid is absolute quality and his value will soar. Another great piece of business by reed and his cronies. BarnetSaint
  • Score: 4

10:43am Mon 28 Jul 14

worried of n e hampshire says...

hope he gets splinters!
hope he gets splinters! worried of n e hampshire
  • Score: 1

10:43am Mon 28 Jul 14

rednwhite72 says...

Blue means Success wrote:
As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus?

At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.
The club are showing the likes of you how to run a football club properly. First lesson, don't spend money you haven't got. The outcome of buying trophies is plain to see, your club never belonged in the top league, your ground and facilities are poor and that's an understatement, infact I would go as far to say the worst in the country, the reason your fans had to bail the club out is because the only financial benefit buying it would have to a prospective investor would be the land, for development. Sorry for being so brutally honest but people in greenhouses and all....

...now to more important and relevant matters, please everyone carry on.
[quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus? At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.[/p][/quote]The club are showing the likes of you how to run a football club properly. First lesson, don't spend money you haven't got. The outcome of buying trophies is plain to see, your club never belonged in the top league, your ground and facilities are poor and that's an understatement, infact I would go as far to say the worst in the country, the reason your fans had to bail the club out is because the only financial benefit buying it would have to a prospective investor would be the land, for development. Sorry for being so brutally honest but people in greenhouses and all.... ...now to more important and relevant matters, please everyone carry on. rednwhite72
  • Score: 6

10:46am Mon 28 Jul 14

tharg64 says...

Will the last person to leave please turn out the lights...
Will the last person to leave please turn out the lights... tharg64
  • Score: 0

10:52am Mon 28 Jul 14

Jesus_02 says...

Graham, North of Watford wrote:
saintstu downunder wrote:
Chambers is an excellent young player, but to get 18m for him is incredible.

I'd like to add that, unlike the doom-mongers out there, I feel really excited about the season ahead. We've got an exceptional, young squad, a positive and good-football-playin


g manager and a shedload of cash to invest in some fresh blood.

To those berating the owners for the supposed 'fire-sale', remember that a few years ago we almost had no club to support. The Liebherrs can do little wrong in my mind, and, SRL aside, the recent major sales have been either forced on them/us (Lallana, Lovren) or have been where we've been able to make a major return on investment (Shaw, Chambers).

In all previous sales this season we've either had quality in the squad to come in (Targett, Clyne) or signed exciting replacements (Tadic, Pelle). I'm looking forward to a equal-or-better-than


-Lovren centre half to be signed in the coming days, and then an investment of some of the transfer money in a few more top quality players.

Keep the faith...

Up the Saints!
Yes indeed, keep the faith.

I absolutely trust the Liebherr dynasty to stick with the Club and am expecting to see the rebuilding of the team after Schneiderlein goes.

My disappointment is not aimed at the Board, it is not even aimed at the players who put reward before loyalty (you and I would do exactly the same.

It's football that is rotten to the core because it allows the richest owners the ability to under write quite literally vast quantities of debt to their clubs which the medium size Clubs can never compete with.

By definition the very best players will gravitate to the top 4/5 Clubs and there is nothing on this God's Earth that can stop it.

It's called Capitalism and, as Bob Dylan says, "money doesn't talk, it swears"
American football took quite serious steps (very anti capitalist ones) to protect its national sport. Germany have also taken steps. I think that the FA need to get their fingers out and keep genuine competition in the Premier League. FFP has just made things worse as has the home-grown players rule. This is not just a saints fans view its a football fans view.

What Southampton did last season was widely acclaimed by pundit and commentators on the game as a whole. Last season “the saints way” was spoken of as an antidote to massive influx of foreign players and template for other clubs to follow in order to provide players for the national side. This season we have been raped. The support we have received (actual or even moral) is non existent. When Roy Hodgeson congratulates players on leaving southampton and states that that is simply the way of football he is giving his passive support to the status quo.

If the PL continue in this vein, it will become nothing but a training environment for the foreign elite
[quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintstu downunder[/bold] wrote: Chambers is an excellent young player, but to get 18m for him is incredible. I'd like to add that, unlike the doom-mongers out there, I feel really excited about the season ahead. We've got an exceptional, young squad, a positive and good-football-playin g manager and a shedload of cash to invest in some fresh blood. To those berating the owners for the supposed 'fire-sale', remember that a few years ago we almost had no club to support. The Liebherrs can do little wrong in my mind, and, SRL aside, the recent major sales have been either forced on them/us (Lallana, Lovren) or have been where we've been able to make a major return on investment (Shaw, Chambers). In all previous sales this season we've either had quality in the squad to come in (Targett, Clyne) or signed exciting replacements (Tadic, Pelle). I'm looking forward to a equal-or-better-than -Lovren centre half to be signed in the coming days, and then an investment of some of the transfer money in a few more top quality players. Keep the faith... Up the Saints![/p][/quote]Yes indeed, keep the faith. I absolutely trust the Liebherr dynasty to stick with the Club and am expecting to see the rebuilding of the team after Schneiderlein goes. My disappointment is not aimed at the Board, it is not even aimed at the players who put reward before loyalty (you and I would do exactly the same. It's football that is rotten to the core because it allows the richest owners the ability to under write quite literally vast quantities of debt to their clubs which the medium size Clubs can never compete with. By definition the very best players will gravitate to the top 4/5 Clubs and there is nothing on this God's Earth that can stop it. It's called Capitalism and, as Bob Dylan says, "money doesn't talk, it swears"[/p][/quote]American football took quite serious steps (very anti capitalist ones) to protect its national sport. Germany have also taken steps. I think that the FA need to get their fingers out and keep genuine competition in the Premier League. FFP has just made things worse as has the home-grown players rule. This is not just a saints fans view its a football fans view. What Southampton did last season was widely acclaimed by pundit and commentators on the game as a whole. Last season “the saints way” was spoken of as an antidote to massive influx of foreign players and template for other clubs to follow in order to provide players for the national side. This season we have been raped. The support we have received (actual or even moral) is non existent. When Roy Hodgeson congratulates players on leaving southampton and states that that is simply the way of football he is giving his passive support to the status quo. If the PL continue in this vein, it will become nothing but a training environment for the foreign elite Jesus_02
  • Score: 27

10:52am Mon 28 Jul 14

Knackers says...

Morgan will go next to spurs.rodriguez has refused to sign the contract offered to him..koeman must have some very talented players ready to sign for us if he can afford to let players like corks contract run down to the final year.just cannot understand people on here saying this is good business.if we are bottom at Xmas do you think the same posters will think it was a good bit of business? Even if les starts to sign players they won't have time to gel.weak weak board.now every club will take us to the cleaners if we even try to buy one of their players.
Look at how lambert handled our little interest in vlaar,that's how it's done.ask yourself this question"do you really think saints will spend all the money they acquired through player sales?" Not a chance.
By the way where are all these players who were pleading to join us?
No vision no plan no idea
LES AND RALPH OUT
Morgan will go next to spurs.rodriguez has refused to sign the contract offered to him..koeman must have some very talented players ready to sign for us if he can afford to let players like corks contract run down to the final year.just cannot understand people on here saying this is good business.if we are bottom at Xmas do you think the same posters will think it was a good bit of business? Even if les starts to sign players they won't have time to gel.weak weak board.now every club will take us to the cleaners if we even try to buy one of their players. Look at how lambert handled our little interest in vlaar,that's how it's done.ask yourself this question"do you really think saints will spend all the money they acquired through player sales?" Not a chance. By the way where are all these players who were pleading to join us? No vision no plan no idea LES AND RALPH OUT Knackers
  • Score: 5

10:52am Mon 28 Jul 14

notaclue says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
Shouldn't Wenger wait until this is officially announced before shouting off?
What just like Woy did?

There is something seriously wrong when Koeman states on Friday evening post match that Calum is ill and that is why he is not in the squad and that his transfer is all just rumours, when three hours earlier he had been having a medical at Arsenal.

Time for a wake up call for many Saints fans, our leadership (apart from Koeman) is not up to the job!!

If Koeman had known the situation then he wouldn't have said it and yet plenty of people on the twitter suspected the Arsenal move at the time and that is why he was asked those questions. It doesn't do him any favours either if he is our club spokesman.
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: Shouldn't Wenger wait until this is officially announced before shouting off?[/p][/quote]What just like Woy did? There is something seriously wrong when Koeman states on Friday evening post match that Calum is ill and that is why he is not in the squad and that his transfer is all just rumours, when three hours earlier he had been having a medical at Arsenal. Time for a wake up call for many Saints fans, our leadership (apart from Koeman) is not up to the job!! If Koeman had known the situation then he wouldn't have said it and yet plenty of people on the twitter suspected the Arsenal move at the time and that is why he was asked those questions. It doesn't do him any favours either if he is our club spokesman. notaclue
  • Score: 2

10:54am Mon 28 Jul 14

Blue means Success says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Blue means Success wrote:
arthur boutfaith wrote:
Blue means Success wrote:
As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus?

At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.
We're busy counting all that cash (something you can only dream of) and working out the best way to spend it.
Probably on some more international players no doubt.
How was Ebbsfleet at the weekend?
We have just contributed towards new training pitches. So we are still counting cash and also spending it.

No-one is having a dig at your club - just amazed at the lack of action.
You've 'contributed'? That's very big of you. Well done everyone.
1/4 million actually.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur boutfaith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus? At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.[/p][/quote]We're busy counting all that cash (something you can only dream of) and working out the best way to spend it. Probably on some more international players no doubt. How was Ebbsfleet at the weekend?[/p][/quote]We have just contributed towards new training pitches. So we are still counting cash and also spending it. No-one is having a dig at your club - just amazed at the lack of action.[/p][/quote]You've 'contributed'? That's very big of you. Well done everyone.[/p][/quote]1/4 million actually. Blue means Success
  • Score: -11

10:56am Mon 28 Jul 14

rednwhite72 says...

COYRlukeCOYR wrote:
Fact is .. We are selling our best players and replacing them with **** ones. If this cb from Celtic is meant to be lovrens replacement i will literally have a mental breakdown. The **** SPL ? I mean come on now. Kathrina is a ruthless **** and I hope she does sale sell, **** tyrant. Its clear we aren't pushing on next season, its clear that the board are up for selling every decent player we possess. You can all stay as positive as you want but at the end of the day we are going backwards and that fat cow is reaping in all that money that she already has.. Being a billionaire and what not. Why sell a player for 20 and sign one for 10, logic??? No.. There ain't no ambition and I find it disgusting how much the board have lied. Very, very angry saints fan. Infuriating.
Fact is... You need to grow up.
[quote][p][bold]COYRlukeCOYR[/bold] wrote: Fact is .. We are selling our best players and replacing them with **** ones. If this cb from Celtic is meant to be lovrens replacement i will literally have a mental breakdown. The **** SPL ? I mean come on now. Kathrina is a ruthless **** and I hope she does sale sell, **** tyrant. Its clear we aren't pushing on next season, its clear that the board are up for selling every decent player we possess. You can all stay as positive as you want but at the end of the day we are going backwards and that fat cow is reaping in all that money that she already has.. Being a billionaire and what not. Why sell a player for 20 and sign one for 10, logic??? No.. There ain't no ambition and I find it disgusting how much the board have lied. Very, very angry saints fan. Infuriating.[/p][/quote]Fact is... You need to grow up. rednwhite72
  • Score: 4

10:57am Mon 28 Jul 14

St Van Roetford says...

Does anyone else look at the genocide in Gaza or the new cold war kicking off or the giant cover-up over industrial-scale child abuse in UK care homes and think "Actually, what's happening at Saints isn't that bad in the whole 'scheme of things'?"
Does anyone else look at the genocide in Gaza or the new cold war kicking off or the giant cover-up over industrial-scale child abuse in UK care homes and think "Actually, what's happening at Saints isn't that bad in the whole 'scheme of things'?" St Van Roetford
  • Score: 25

10:57am Mon 28 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

The key words in this article were"""" I was ready to take a gamble because he is a player for the future."""""... Arsene Wenger.

For all of our boards hot air concerning ambition, this just about sums it all up.
I am seriously beginning to wonder if Koeman had any knowledge about this exodus, he couldn't possibly have known the full extent and would he have come here if he did?
The key words in this article were"""" I was ready to take a gamble because he is a player for the future."""""... Arsene Wenger. For all of our boards hot air concerning ambition, this just about sums it all up. I am seriously beginning to wonder if Koeman had any knowledge about this exodus, he couldn't possibly have known the full extent and would he have come here if he did? costa gaz
  • Score: 5

10:57am Mon 28 Jul 14

Blue means Success says...

Blue means Success wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Blue means Success wrote:
arthur boutfaith wrote:
Blue means Success wrote:
As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus?

At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.
We're busy counting all that cash (something you can only dream of) and working out the best way to spend it.
Probably on some more international players no doubt.
How was Ebbsfleet at the weekend?
We have just contributed towards new training pitches. So we are still counting cash and also spending it.

No-one is having a dig at your club - just amazed at the lack of action.
You've 'contributed'? That's very big of you. Well done everyone.
1/4 million actually.
That's just the normal fans. The rest is being paid by the richer fans.
[quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur boutfaith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus? At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.[/p][/quote]We're busy counting all that cash (something you can only dream of) and working out the best way to spend it. Probably on some more international players no doubt. How was Ebbsfleet at the weekend?[/p][/quote]We have just contributed towards new training pitches. So we are still counting cash and also spending it. No-one is having a dig at your club - just amazed at the lack of action.[/p][/quote]You've 'contributed'? That's very big of you. Well done everyone.[/p][/quote]1/4 million actually.[/p][/quote]That's just the normal fans. The rest is being paid by the richer fans. Blue means Success
  • Score: -8

10:59am Mon 28 Jul 14

the cowman says...

All the hysteria needs to stop. Firstly personal insults against the daughter of the man that saved the Saints are totally out of order and the Echo should be ashamed of themselves for not removing these sooner.
Let's just wait and see what players we bring in and how they perform.
In modern football cash is king, that's why our players are leaving as Tony from Liberia stated in his posting on the original Chambers article.
Once the dust has settled either the so called happy clappers or the veggie neggies are going to be left with egg on their faces. We are either going to go into the season with a bunch of kids, or the current squad will be bolstered by some exiting new additions. I believe it will be the latter. If the club was going to be sold then the time to do it would have been at the end of last season. Finally Cortese did a great job, but its easy when you are spending someone else's money, ihe did not want his wings clipped and so he left. The Club is bigger than any one individual, real supporters support the club through thick and thin, not just because someone who held the stewardship for a short time promised Champions league Football. Now more than ever is the time to get behind our club and stop the in fighting, there was enough of that in the dark days of Rupert Lowe.
All the hysteria needs to stop. Firstly personal insults against the daughter of the man that saved the Saints are totally out of order and the Echo should be ashamed of themselves for not removing these sooner. Let's just wait and see what players we bring in and how they perform. In modern football cash is king, that's why our players are leaving as Tony from Liberia stated in his posting on the original Chambers article. Once the dust has settled either the so called happy clappers or the veggie neggies are going to be left with egg on their faces. We are either going to go into the season with a bunch of kids, or the current squad will be bolstered by some exiting new additions. I believe it will be the latter. If the club was going to be sold then the time to do it would have been at the end of last season. Finally Cortese did a great job, but its easy when you are spending someone else's money, ihe did not want his wings clipped and so he left. The Club is bigger than any one individual, real supporters support the club through thick and thin, not just because someone who held the stewardship for a short time promised Champions league Football. Now more than ever is the time to get behind our club and stop the in fighting, there was enough of that in the dark days of Rupert Lowe. the cowman
  • Score: 34

11:00am Mon 28 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

Were we extremely lucky or unlucky to have such a team of un-doubted, talent come together all at once.
Were we extremely lucky or unlucky to have such a team of un-doubted, talent come together all at once. costa gaz
  • Score: 5

11:01am Mon 28 Jul 14

right back in the bar says...

I have one final thing to say on this site after which there will be no more posts from me. To my mind we as fans need to take a look at ourselves - because through all of this we have gone belly up and not actually registered any visible protest about what is being done to the football club. I don't buy the idea that the outrageous fees we have commanded for our players makes all of this justified or that it is an inevitable consequence of being in the Premier League; it is precisely because of the money that SFC are so ready to cave in and sell, cynically exploiting the paranoia and profligate attitudes of the big clubs - short term profits at the expense of a strategy to develop a successful football club over the long term.
This is the small minded mentality of SFC that many refer to on here but until supporters stop being small minded and actually visibly demonstrate outrage we will have to accept coughing up the hard earned for mediocrity. League 1 gates dropped to 18-20,000 , Championship fixtures averaged 26-28,000; but we took 45,000 to Wembley for a JPT final and easily sell out all the big prem games . That shows how fickle the support is and its something that's come through on these pages.
I have one final thing to say on this site after which there will be no more posts from me. To my mind we as fans need to take a look at ourselves - because through all of this we have gone belly up and not actually registered any visible protest about what is being done to the football club. I don't buy the idea that the outrageous fees we have commanded for our players makes all of this justified or that it is an inevitable consequence of being in the Premier League; it is precisely because of the money that SFC are so ready to cave in and sell, cynically exploiting the paranoia and profligate attitudes of the big clubs - short term profits at the expense of a strategy to develop a successful football club over the long term. This is the small minded mentality of SFC that many refer to on here but until supporters stop being small minded and actually visibly demonstrate outrage we will have to accept coughing up the hard earned for mediocrity. League 1 gates dropped to 18-20,000 , Championship fixtures averaged 26-28,000; but we took 45,000 to Wembley for a JPT final and easily sell out all the big prem games . That shows how fickle the support is and its something that's come through on these pages. right back in the bar
  • Score: 0

11:06am Mon 28 Jul 14

Knackers says...

costa gaz wrote:
The key words in this article were"""" I was ready to take a gamble because he is a player for the future."""""... Arsene Wenger.

For all of our boards hot air concerning ambition, this just about sums it all up.
I am seriously beginning to wonder if Koeman had any knowledge about this exodus, he couldn't possibly have known the full extent and would he have come here if he did?
If you do a bit of digging the word is that koeman was told only 3 would go and he himself is furious.thats why he keeps saying we are not a selling club,he is trying to put pressure on the board through the media to stop anymore exits.
Just waiting for Jls to come on and tell us this is great and all part of the masterplan and that clyne is better anyway and we should cut les reed some slack cos he is getting the best prices for them.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: The key words in this article were"""" I was ready to take a gamble because he is a player for the future."""""... Arsene Wenger. For all of our boards hot air concerning ambition, this just about sums it all up. I am seriously beginning to wonder if Koeman had any knowledge about this exodus, he couldn't possibly have known the full extent and would he have come here if he did?[/p][/quote]If you do a bit of digging the word is that koeman was told only 3 would go and he himself is furious.thats why he keeps saying we are not a selling club,he is trying to put pressure on the board through the media to stop anymore exits. Just waiting for Jls to come on and tell us this is great and all part of the masterplan and that clyne is better anyway and we should cut les reed some slack cos he is getting the best prices for them. Knackers
  • Score: 2

11:07am Mon 28 Jul 14

saintsfan76 says...

An amazing amount for a young player of Chambers experience. Saints surely would have been mad to have turned it down. We have proved time and time again that youngsters can mix with the experience in the team. Long may it continue.

What we need desperately to see is some new signings ourselves not to see "targets" join other clubs instead. We dont want all our signings to be foriegn either.
An amazing amount for a young player of Chambers experience. Saints surely would have been mad to have turned it down. We have proved time and time again that youngsters can mix with the experience in the team. Long may it continue. What we need desperately to see is some new signings ourselves not to see "targets" join other clubs instead. We dont want all our signings to be foriegn either. saintsfan76
  • Score: 1

11:12am Mon 28 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

To55ers calling for "Katharina Out" should realise that means she would SELL the club.... not all football fans are idiots, but those calling for her to go ARE.
To55ers calling for "Katharina Out" should realise that means she would SELL the club.... not all football fans are idiots, but those calling for her to go ARE. steekeemcglue
  • Score: 16

11:14am Mon 28 Jul 14

Glenn Cockerill says...

The sooner the board sell the better. Asset stripping is nearly complete (just a couple to go...) The owners would have reached over £100mil and can move on with their riches. I have never seen one team dismantled so much and so badly in one pre-season. Whatever LR and RK have been saying clearly hasnt worked, after all, WTF do they know about the beautiful game anyway!? I fear for my club and fear for the season ahead and all this on the back on last season, i can't quite believe i'm thinking this and saying this! What has happened!?!!?!?!
I guess all we can do is what we have done many time before, stand strong and support the Saints, whoever pulls on the shirt!
COYR! FOADP...
The sooner the board sell the better. Asset stripping is nearly complete (just a couple to go...) The owners would have reached over £100mil and can move on with their riches. I have never seen one team dismantled so much and so badly in one pre-season. Whatever LR and RK have been saying clearly hasnt worked, after all, WTF do they know about the beautiful game anyway!? I fear for my club and fear for the season ahead and all this on the back on last season, i can't quite believe i'm thinking this and saying this! What has happened!?!!?!?! I guess all we can do is what we have done many time before, stand strong and support the Saints, whoever pulls on the shirt! COYR! FOADP... Glenn Cockerill
  • Score: 5

11:17am Mon 28 Jul 14

george chivers says...

If Wegner doesn't mind taking a gamble perhaps he would like to come down to the South Coast and manage us. It's a punters paradise.
If Wegner doesn't mind taking a gamble perhaps he would like to come down to the South Coast and manage us. It's a punters paradise. george chivers
  • Score: 2

11:17am Mon 28 Jul 14

eastsidemush says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Blue means Success wrote:
arthur boutfaith wrote:
Blue means Success wrote:
As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus?

At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.
We're busy counting all that cash (something you can only dream of) and working out the best way to spend it.
Probably on some more international players no doubt.
How was Ebbsfleet at the weekend?
We have just contributed towards new training pitches. So we are still counting cash and also spending it.

No-one is having a dig at your club - just amazed at the lack of action.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz......

..boring
Hey j7, go easy on him.
Far be it for me to defend our blue friend from down the road, but at least he's not pretending to be anything other than what he is, a skunt.
I'll tell you what really p1$$e$ me off is the number of @rseholes that are coming on here recently, slagging off our club, under the guise of being "genuinely concerned" Saints fans.
It seems far too many people are being taken in by them and rising to the bait.
DON`T FEED THE TROLLS!
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur boutfaith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus? At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.[/p][/quote]We're busy counting all that cash (something you can only dream of) and working out the best way to spend it. Probably on some more international players no doubt. How was Ebbsfleet at the weekend?[/p][/quote]We have just contributed towards new training pitches. So we are still counting cash and also spending it. No-one is having a dig at your club - just amazed at the lack of action.[/p][/quote]zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...... ..boring[/p][/quote]Hey j7, go easy on him. Far be it for me to defend our blue friend from down the road, but at least he's not pretending to be anything other than what he is, a skunt. I'll tell you what really p1$$e$ me off is the number of @rseholes that are coming on here recently, slagging off our club, under the guise of being "genuinely concerned" Saints fans. It seems far too many people are being taken in by them and rising to the bait. DON`T FEED THE TROLLS! eastsidemush
  • Score: 8

11:18am Mon 28 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Arsene says "I hope he will give us competition for the players in these three positions" i.e. He will be sat on the bench for evermore with a few cameo appearances, if that's what he wants for mega bucks, good luck to him. Probably would have been the same here anyway.
Arsene says "I hope he will give us competition for the players in these three positions" i.e. He will be sat on the bench for evermore with a few cameo appearances, if that's what he wants for mega bucks, good luck to him. Probably would have been the same here anyway. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

11:20am Mon 28 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

Malcombe wrote:
That's it I've had enough, I can't stand anymore of our best Players leaving so I've got the rope, I've seen the tree and I'm off, oh **** it I can't climb anything at the moment as I had my Hip replaced on the 20th June and it's 6 weeks come Friday when I can be more vigorous throw away the Crutches and drive again but no it will be too late as I will of lost my nerve, I'll suffer the demise and stay optimistic that this week new names of Players signings will spring out and Les Reed who I have praised endlessly and defended to the hilt will make all the Supporters day by making a honest transparent statement of what and why all this misery happened, this is now the time to show the Supporters that there is a Board at Southampton that really care about those that pay huge amounts to watch there favourite team, it's due, owed and deserved to all the Southampton Supporters for there patience, it's got to the point that the silence is unforgiven as it been far to long.
Have u thought about hiring a_Liebherr crane?
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: That's it I've had enough, I can't stand anymore of our best Players leaving so I've got the rope, I've seen the tree and I'm off, oh **** it I can't climb anything at the moment as I had my Hip replaced on the 20th June and it's 6 weeks come Friday when I can be more vigorous throw away the Crutches and drive again but no it will be too late as I will of lost my nerve, I'll suffer the demise and stay optimistic that this week new names of Players signings will spring out and Les Reed who I have praised endlessly and defended to the hilt will make all the Supporters day by making a honest transparent statement of what and why all this misery happened, this is now the time to show the Supporters that there is a Board at Southampton that really care about those that pay huge amounts to watch there favourite team, it's due, owed and deserved to all the Southampton Supporters for there patience, it's got to the point that the silence is unforgiven as it been far to long.[/p][/quote]Have u thought about hiring a_Liebherr crane? Clever Dick
  • Score: 5

11:21am Mon 28 Jul 14

Jesus_02 says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Does anyone else look at the genocide in Gaza or the new cold war kicking off or the giant cover-up over industrial-scale child abuse in UK care homes and think "Actually, what's happening at Saints isn't that bad in the whole 'scheme of things'?"
Yes, but wrong is still wrong even if its significantly less wrong than what I would term atrocities.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Does anyone else look at the genocide in Gaza or the new cold war kicking off or the giant cover-up over industrial-scale child abuse in UK care homes and think "Actually, what's happening at Saints isn't that bad in the whole 'scheme of things'?"[/p][/quote]Yes, but wrong is still wrong even if its significantly less wrong than what I would term atrocities. Jesus_02
  • Score: 1

11:27am Mon 28 Jul 14

St Van Roetford says...

Blue means Success wrote:
Blue means Success wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Blue means Success wrote:
arthur boutfaith wrote:
Blue means Success wrote:
As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus?

At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.
We're busy counting all that cash (something you can only dream of) and working out the best way to spend it.
Probably on some more international players no doubt.
How was Ebbsfleet at the weekend?
We have just contributed towards new training pitches. So we are still counting cash and also spending it.

No-one is having a dig at your club - just amazed at the lack of action.
You've 'contributed'? That's very big of you. Well done everyone.
1/4 million actually.
That's just the normal fans. The rest is being paid by the richer fans.
You're totally back in the big time.
[quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur boutfaith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus? At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.[/p][/quote]We're busy counting all that cash (something you can only dream of) and working out the best way to spend it. Probably on some more international players no doubt. How was Ebbsfleet at the weekend?[/p][/quote]We have just contributed towards new training pitches. So we are still counting cash and also spending it. No-one is having a dig at your club - just amazed at the lack of action.[/p][/quote]You've 'contributed'? That's very big of you. Well done everyone.[/p][/quote]1/4 million actually.[/p][/quote]That's just the normal fans. The rest is being paid by the richer fans.[/p][/quote]You're totally back in the big time. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 6

11:28am Mon 28 Jul 14

ACTSaint says...

saintstu downunder wrote:
Chambers is an excellent young player, but to get 18m for him is incredible.

I'd like to add that, unlike the doom-mongers out there, I feel really excited about the season ahead. We've got an exceptional, young squad, a positive and good-football-playin

g manager and a shedload of cash to invest in some fresh blood.

To those berating the owners for the supposed 'fire-sale', remember that a few years ago we almost had no club to support. The Liebherrs can do little wrong in my mind, and, SRL aside, the recent major sales have been either forced on them/us (Lallana, Lovren) or have been where we've been able to make a major return on investment (Shaw, Chambers).

In all previous sales this season we've either had quality in the squad to come in (Targett, Clyne) or signed exciting replacements (Tadic, Pelle). I'm looking forward to a equal-or-better-than

-Lovren centre half to be signed in the coming days, and then an investment of some of the transfer money in a few more top quality players.

Keep the faith...

Up the Saints!
Good comment... I would prefer our squad than many in the PL. I am excited to see how Gaston and Ward-Prowse develop this season. They both have the potential to be much better than Lallana.
[quote][p][bold]saintstu downunder[/bold] wrote: Chambers is an excellent young player, but to get 18m for him is incredible. I'd like to add that, unlike the doom-mongers out there, I feel really excited about the season ahead. We've got an exceptional, young squad, a positive and good-football-playin g manager and a shedload of cash to invest in some fresh blood. To those berating the owners for the supposed 'fire-sale', remember that a few years ago we almost had no club to support. The Liebherrs can do little wrong in my mind, and, SRL aside, the recent major sales have been either forced on them/us (Lallana, Lovren) or have been where we've been able to make a major return on investment (Shaw, Chambers). In all previous sales this season we've either had quality in the squad to come in (Targett, Clyne) or signed exciting replacements (Tadic, Pelle). I'm looking forward to a equal-or-better-than -Lovren centre half to be signed in the coming days, and then an investment of some of the transfer money in a few more top quality players. Keep the faith... Up the Saints![/p][/quote]Good comment... I would prefer our squad than many in the PL. I am excited to see how Gaston and Ward-Prowse develop this season. They both have the potential to be much better than Lallana. ACTSaint
  • Score: 6

11:36am Mon 28 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

Bazultra wrote:
Do me a favor arsene. I suppose Walcott and Chambo were a gamble too.
Well, yeah, and it's questionable whether they've paid off. I guess they've got value in terms of having two high quality squad players, but neither are nailed on regulars at that club and rightly so. Both are too inconsistent and have yet to fulfil their potential because whether through injury or squad rotation they've never had a prolonged run of first team football.
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Do me a favor arsene. I suppose Walcott and Chambo were a gamble too.[/p][/quote]Well, yeah, and it's questionable whether they've paid off. I guess they've got value in terms of having two high quality squad players, but neither are nailed on regulars at that club and rightly so. Both are too inconsistent and have yet to fulfil their potential because whether through injury or squad rotation they've never had a prolonged run of first team football. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

11:37am Mon 28 Jul 14

george chivers says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Does anyone else look at the genocide in Gaza or the new cold war kicking off or the giant cover-up over industrial-scale child abuse in UK care homes and think "Actually, what's happening at Saints isn't that bad in the whole 'scheme of things'?"
Probably not then.

In my experience people try to steer clear of horrific reality and disappear into denial and fantasy. That's why so many of us still support Saints, because we choose think this nightmare is not real and we will wake tomorrow and it will have all gone away and by the end of September we will have won six league games with a completely new team of unknowns.

It won't have gone away of course and we won't have won six league games with a team of unknowns.

But the death count in Gaza will have increased and Putin will still be laughing up his sleeve because he has got half the world by the balls, and a couple more showbiz icons of the 60's and 70's will be stumbling up the steps to the Old Baliey on sticks, to lie their way through a three month trial that will cost the public purse a fortune.

Because that is the way of the world in our country and as Bob Dylan said in his eponymous song.

2
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Does anyone else look at the genocide in Gaza or the new cold war kicking off or the giant cover-up over industrial-scale child abuse in UK care homes and think "Actually, what's happening at Saints isn't that bad in the whole 'scheme of things'?"[/p][/quote]Probably not then. In my experience people try to steer clear of horrific reality and disappear into denial and fantasy. That's why so many of us still support Saints, because we choose think this nightmare is not real and we will wake tomorrow and it will have all gone away and by the end of September we will have won six league games with a completely new team of unknowns. It won't have gone away of course and we won't have won six league games with a team of unknowns. But the death count in Gaza will have increased and Putin will still be laughing up his sleeve because he has got half the world by the balls, and a couple more showbiz icons of the 60's and 70's will be stumbling up the steps to the Old Baliey on sticks, to lie their way through a three month trial that will cost the public purse a fortune. Because that is the way of the world in our country and as Bob Dylan said in his eponymous song. 2 george chivers
  • Score: 4

11:37am Mon 28 Jul 14

Confucious says...

Mrs Wilson says the club have sold all the season ticket holders in blocks 32 and 33 of the Kingsland to Chelsea. Fortunately, they flatly refused to let the prized supporter assets go - ie me and my three family members - at considerable cost to the club.

I think, at long last, this marks the turning of the tide.
Mrs Wilson says the club have sold all the season ticket holders in blocks 32 and 33 of the Kingsland to Chelsea. Fortunately, they flatly refused to let the prized supporter assets go - ie me and my three family members - at considerable cost to the club. I think, at long last, this marks the turning of the tide. Confucious
  • Score: 3

11:40am Mon 28 Jul 14

george chivers says...

george chivers wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Does anyone else look at the genocide in Gaza or the new cold war kicking off or the giant cover-up over industrial-scale child abuse in UK care homes and think "Actually, what's happening at Saints isn't that bad in the whole 'scheme of things'?"
Probably not then.

In my experience people try to steer clear of horrific reality and disappear into denial and fantasy. That's why so many of us still support Saints, because we choose think this nightmare is not real and we will wake tomorrow and it will have all gone away and by the end of September we will have won six league games with a completely new team of unknowns.

It won't have gone away of course and we won't have won six league games with a team of unknowns.

But the death count in Gaza will have increased and Putin will still be laughing up his sleeve because he has got half the world by the balls, and a couple more showbiz icons of the 60's and 70's will be stumbling up the steps to the Old Baliey on sticks, to lie their way through a three month trial that will cost the public purse a fortune.

Because that is the way of the world in our country and as Bob Dylan said in his eponymous song.

2
Sorry.

"And we gazed upon the Chimes of Freedom Flashing."
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Does anyone else look at the genocide in Gaza or the new cold war kicking off or the giant cover-up over industrial-scale child abuse in UK care homes and think "Actually, what's happening at Saints isn't that bad in the whole 'scheme of things'?"[/p][/quote]Probably not then. In my experience people try to steer clear of horrific reality and disappear into denial and fantasy. That's why so many of us still support Saints, because we choose think this nightmare is not real and we will wake tomorrow and it will have all gone away and by the end of September we will have won six league games with a completely new team of unknowns. It won't have gone away of course and we won't have won six league games with a team of unknowns. But the death count in Gaza will have increased and Putin will still be laughing up his sleeve because he has got half the world by the balls, and a couple more showbiz icons of the 60's and 70's will be stumbling up the steps to the Old Baliey on sticks, to lie their way through a three month trial that will cost the public purse a fortune. Because that is the way of the world in our country and as Bob Dylan said in his eponymous song. 2[/p][/quote]Sorry. "And we gazed upon the Chimes of Freedom Flashing." george chivers
  • Score: 1

11:42am Mon 28 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Arsene says "I hope he will give us competition for the players in these three positions" i.e. He will be sat on the bench for evermore with a few cameo appearances, if that's what he wants for mega bucks, good luck to him. Probably would have been the same here anyway.
It kind of sums up the big club approach to player development though doesn't it - Carl Jenkinson sits around waiting for his chance for five seasons (a bit like Bertrand at Chelsea, Rose at Spurs and Kelly at Liverpool) and when he seems to get an opportunity they buy in another young player from another club. Funnily enough, if Rose was at Swansea and Davies was at Spurs, Spurs would probably buy Rose to replace him (if you see what I mean). Short sighted 'grass is greener' approach.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Arsene says "I hope he will give us competition for the players in these three positions" i.e. He will be sat on the bench for evermore with a few cameo appearances, if that's what he wants for mega bucks, good luck to him. Probably would have been the same here anyway.[/p][/quote]It kind of sums up the big club approach to player development though doesn't it - Carl Jenkinson sits around waiting for his chance for five seasons (a bit like Bertrand at Chelsea, Rose at Spurs and Kelly at Liverpool) and when he seems to get an opportunity they buy in another young player from another club. Funnily enough, if Rose was at Swansea and Davies was at Spurs, Spurs would probably buy Rose to replace him (if you see what I mean). Short sighted 'grass is greener' approach. SaintJD
  • Score: 6

11:45am Mon 28 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Echo: Thanks for doing an interview Les, would like to ask a few questions about transfers if that's ok?

Les: Grunt

Echo: Is selling a couple of teenage fullbacks who have been developed by the club from the age of 9 a good thing?

Les: Look, they are young we have been offered money and who knows they might get rickets or get run over or something and where would we be then? Eh? See not so easy is it? Best policy is to sell the youngsters because they don't stay youngsters for ever you know! Besides no one ever wins anything with youngsters.

Echo: Oh right. Well what about selling our talisman Rickie, that wasn't good was it?

Les: It was brilliant business, he was old and you don't want old players no one ever wins anything with old players.

Echo: Ok. So buying cheap foreign players is the way forward?

Les: Yes. Unless they don't stay cheap of course, like Lovren, so we need to sell them too. If Pelle scores he'll have to go in January.

Echo: Do you intend to keep Morgan?

Les: He's the one that most concerns me, I'm worried he might lack ambition and stay.

Echo: Oh right. Well thanks for setting the record straight and give our regards to Ralph.

Les: Not seen him since I sold him.
Echo: Thanks for doing an interview Les, would like to ask a few questions about transfers if that's ok? Les: Grunt Echo: Is selling a couple of teenage fullbacks who have been developed by the club from the age of 9 a good thing? Les: Look, they are young we have been offered money and who knows they might get rickets or get run over or something and where would we be then? Eh? See not so easy is it? Best policy is to sell the youngsters because they don't stay youngsters for ever you know! Besides no one ever wins anything with youngsters. Echo: Oh right. Well what about selling our talisman Rickie, that wasn't good was it? Les: It was brilliant business, he was old and you don't want old players no one ever wins anything with old players. Echo: Ok. So buying cheap foreign players is the way forward? Les: Yes. Unless they don't stay cheap of course, like Lovren, so we need to sell them too. If Pelle scores he'll have to go in January. Echo: Do you intend to keep Morgan? Les: He's the one that most concerns me, I'm worried he might lack ambition and stay. Echo: Oh right. Well thanks for setting the record straight and give our regards to Ralph. Les: Not seen him since I sold him. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 8

11:46am Mon 28 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

Bazultra wrote:
Im tired of losing our academy graduates to these vultures. Bring on the thumbs down. KATERINA OUT NOW
And KATHARINA IN NOW!!!
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Im tired of losing our academy graduates to these vultures. Bring on the thumbs down. KATERINA OUT NOW[/p][/quote]And KATHARINA IN NOW!!! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 10

11:46am Mon 28 Jul 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

Lets be honest this is not the excitement any football fan expects before the new season starts and I believe the club should be doing more to explain the situation. The appointment of Kruegar was supposed to mean we had more information given to us by the club. That has not happened and we have ever right to be angry with the club. I hear players are even speaking out in public about how the club doesn't seem to have any direction at the moment!! This is the real reason we are losing players not because we want to be.

Is the club being stripped of assets prior to a sell off? That would be the only real conclusion I can muster from all this.

Yes we have a great Academy but we can't be so reliant on as we were when in the Championship. We got relegated! We will be favourite to go down this season unless we sign some real Quality as replacements! We have been linked to a number of Quality players but now is the time for us to cough up the cash and sign them! We are going to ruin all the hard work of the last 5 years otherwise and that would be unforgivable! As much as Marcus did for this club in saving us I hope Katrina doesn't do the opposite!
Lets be honest this is not the excitement any football fan expects before the new season starts and I believe the club should be doing more to explain the situation. The appointment of Kruegar was supposed to mean we had more information given to us by the club. That has not happened and we have ever right to be angry with the club. I hear players are even speaking out in public about how the club doesn't seem to have any direction at the moment!! This is the real reason we are losing players not because we want to be. Is the club being stripped of assets prior to a sell off? That would be the only real conclusion I can muster from all this. Yes we have a great Academy but we can't be so reliant on as we were when in the Championship. We got relegated! We will be favourite to go down this season unless we sign some real Quality as replacements! We have been linked to a number of Quality players but now is the time for us to cough up the cash and sign them! We are going to ruin all the hard work of the last 5 years otherwise and that would be unforgivable! As much as Marcus did for this club in saving us I hope Katrina doesn't do the opposite! allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 2

11:47am Mon 28 Jul 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

SHOULD US FANS BE DEMANDING KRUEGAR OUT???? He has done little to justify his position!
SHOULD US FANS BE DEMANDING KRUEGAR OUT???? He has done little to justify his position! allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: -1

11:47am Mon 28 Jul 14

milton road says...

We have two prospective England right backs you are never going to keep both unless you are in Europe and can give them good game time. That is the reality but this is now a fire sale and apparently with |Brenda interested in Jay now Remy has fallen through anything can happen.
It is not the sales as much as the message it sends out to the football world NO AMBITION, NO STOMACH TO KEEP PLAYERS. Whether that id the truth or not I do not know but it is what has turned us into a laughing stock through football.
You honestly think Morgan will want to stay now?
We are so coy about spending the dosh and where are all these players just dying to come to Saints?
Lambert was always going as was Shaw and I think that was agreed before he signed pro forms. There was a lot of talk then that a deal had already been done that he would be sold to MU at the end of the season.
Lallana is a very good player but not great player same as Lovren and Chambers.
We can actually get as good or better but you have to be prepared to spend the money and pick the right players to achieve that. We either have a board that believes this and sees this as the opportunity to build a good team a a stop gap for the next youngsters who are already pushing to get through. Alternatively we are run by a bunch of idiots I have not made my mind up yet jury is out until the season starts.
Koeman was promised a transfer chest as well as all money from players. That chest was said to be anything form 20 mil to 50 well lets go with the twenty.
add 23m, 27m 4m 20m and 16m is 110 million - 20 million for incoming players leaves 90 mil in the coffers. Will we spend it?
I do not think KL is looking to sell she turned down several bids apparently, one of them by a consortium set up by Cortese before he left.
But this could either turn into a major c*ck up or the best thing that has happened to Saints and at the moment I am not really sure what to think.
We have so many really good players the future is not black, but it really needs some positive and good signings to make this work now.
We have two prospective England right backs you are never going to keep both unless you are in Europe and can give them good game time. That is the reality but this is now a fire sale and apparently with |Brenda interested in Jay now Remy has fallen through anything can happen. It is not the sales as much as the message it sends out to the football world NO AMBITION, NO STOMACH TO KEEP PLAYERS. Whether that id the truth or not I do not know but it is what has turned us into a laughing stock through football. You honestly think Morgan will want to stay now? We are so coy about spending the dosh and where are all these players just dying to come to Saints? Lambert was always going as was Shaw and I think that was agreed before he signed pro forms. There was a lot of talk then that a deal had already been done that he would be sold to MU at the end of the season. Lallana is a very good player but not great player same as Lovren and Chambers. We can actually get as good or better but you have to be prepared to spend the money and pick the right players to achieve that. We either have a board that believes this and sees this as the opportunity to build a good team a a stop gap for the next youngsters who are already pushing to get through. Alternatively we are run by a bunch of idiots I have not made my mind up yet jury is out until the season starts. Koeman was promised a transfer chest as well as all money from players. That chest was said to be anything form 20 mil to 50 well lets go with the twenty. add 23m, 27m 4m 20m and 16m is 110 million - 20 million for incoming players leaves 90 mil in the coffers. Will we spend it? I do not think KL is looking to sell she turned down several bids apparently, one of them by a consortium set up by Cortese before he left. But this could either turn into a major c*ck up or the best thing that has happened to Saints and at the moment I am not really sure what to think. We have so many really good players the future is not black, but it really needs some positive and good signings to make this work now. milton road
  • Score: 3

11:48am Mon 28 Jul 14

Saintsayer II says...

To Whoever it may concern

Dear Sir
At the end of May I renewed my season ticket for the 2014/15 season I did this in the belief that the club would NOT sell its best players and was confident that Mr Reed was going to hold players to their contracts I believed this simply because he said so
It has since become obvious that this will not be the case and that we are a''selling''club and there is a''fire sale'' of our assets
As the club has miss-led me over this matter I believe that under trade description legislation I am entitled to return my ticket and obtain a full refund
I shall expect your response within 14 days after which I will contact trading standards

I have just sent this as an e-mail to SMS
To Whoever it may concern Dear Sir At the end of May I renewed my season ticket for the 2014/15 season I did this in the belief that the club would NOT sell its best players and was confident that Mr Reed was going to hold players to their contracts I believed this simply because he said so It has since become obvious that this will not be the case and that we are a''selling''club and there is a''fire sale'' of our assets As the club has miss-led me over this matter I believe that under trade description legislation I am entitled to return my ticket and obtain a full refund I shall expect your response within 14 days after which I will contact trading standards I have just sent this as an e-mail to SMS Saintsayer II
  • Score: 6

11:54am Mon 28 Jul 14

Saintsayer II says...

saintstu downunder wrote:
Chambers is an excellent young player, but to get 18m for him is incredible.

I'd like to add that, unlike the doom-mongers out there, I feel really excited about the season ahead. We've got an exceptional, young squad, a positive and good-football-playin

g manager and a shedload of cash to invest in some fresh blood.

To those berating the owners for the supposed 'fire-sale', remember that a few years ago we almost had no club to support. The Liebherrs can do little wrong in my mind, and, SRL aside, the recent major sales have been either forced on them/us (Lallana, Lovren) or have been where we've been able to make a major return on investment (Shaw, Chambers).

In all previous sales this season we've either had quality in the squad to come in (Targett, Clyne) or signed exciting replacements (Tadic, Pelle). I'm looking forward to a equal-or-better-than

-Lovren centre half to be signed in the coming days, and then an investment of some of the transfer money in a few more top quality players.

Keep the faith...

Up the Saints!
Fine if you dont actually splash out any cash to go and see the team play I do not want to go back to the days when PL survival was the only objective
Reed told a string of out and out lies until most had re-newed their season tickets
Why do people like you still believe that he will spend the income on new players after all the other lies
[quote][p][bold]saintstu downunder[/bold] wrote: Chambers is an excellent young player, but to get 18m for him is incredible. I'd like to add that, unlike the doom-mongers out there, I feel really excited about the season ahead. We've got an exceptional, young squad, a positive and good-football-playin g manager and a shedload of cash to invest in some fresh blood. To those berating the owners for the supposed 'fire-sale', remember that a few years ago we almost had no club to support. The Liebherrs can do little wrong in my mind, and, SRL aside, the recent major sales have been either forced on them/us (Lallana, Lovren) or have been where we've been able to make a major return on investment (Shaw, Chambers). In all previous sales this season we've either had quality in the squad to come in (Targett, Clyne) or signed exciting replacements (Tadic, Pelle). I'm looking forward to a equal-or-better-than -Lovren centre half to be signed in the coming days, and then an investment of some of the transfer money in a few more top quality players. Keep the faith... Up the Saints![/p][/quote]Fine if you dont actually splash out any cash to go and see the team play I do not want to go back to the days when PL survival was the only objective Reed told a string of out and out lies until most had re-newed their season tickets Why do people like you still believe that he will spend the income on new players after all the other lies Saintsayer II
  • Score: 3

11:57am Mon 28 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

the cowman wrote:
All the hysteria needs to stop. Firstly personal insults against the daughter of the man that saved the Saints are totally out of order and the Echo should be ashamed of themselves for not removing these sooner.
Let's just wait and see what players we bring in and how they perform.
In modern football cash is king, that's why our players are leaving as Tony from Liberia stated in his posting on the original Chambers article.
Once the dust has settled either the so called happy clappers or the veggie neggies are going to be left with egg on their faces. We are either going to go into the season with a bunch of kids, or the current squad will be bolstered by some exiting new additions. I believe it will be the latter. If the club was going to be sold then the time to do it would have been at the end of last season. Finally Cortese did a great job, but its easy when you are spending someone else's money, ihe did not want his wings clipped and so he left. The Club is bigger than any one individual, real supporters support the club through thick and thin, not just because someone who held the stewardship for a short time promised Champions league Football. Now more than ever is the time to get behind our club and stop the in fighting, there was enough of that in the dark days of Rupert Lowe.
Nobody is going to be left with egg on their faces bar people who are insulting KL and going overboard generally. Remaining positive is a good trait and so is being realistic.

Having given Les and RK the benefit of the doubt I've become frustrated with their management of this situation and that hasn't stopped. I've criticised them and I will stand by that criticism because, even if we sign brilliantly, I still think it's been handled very badly and without a firm plan in place. Koeman has admitted that we won't go for players until we've seen if others are leaving, so the idea that we have a pre-determined master plan is not true.

Doesn't mean we can't spend wisely, but I need to see action before I'll judge Les or RK fully. They asked to be judged on action and that's only fair. At the moment it doesn't look good, but we'll see.

Cut the veggie neggies and happy clapper talk. While you claim to be calling people to unite you are polarising people into stereotypical 'camps', which is unhelpful.

But one thing is for sure, we cannot afford to react badly to this situation on match days.

Saints fans must take a siege mentality like we did when Nigel was sacked and focus our attention on the press, pundits and former players rather than firing on our club.

Any vocal protests, calls of 'you don't know what you're doing' or booing of new players if they don't settle immediately is unthinkable and only serves to guarantee we'll struggle.

It's amazing what can be achieved if the atmosphere at a club is right.

OK, we aren't going to have the ideal, stable, confident environment we hoped we'd maintain, but if we gear up to fight together as a club against popular opinion we can come out of this strong.

Saints tend to be good when we have our backs to the wall, so who knows.
[quote][p][bold]the cowman[/bold] wrote: All the hysteria needs to stop. Firstly personal insults against the daughter of the man that saved the Saints are totally out of order and the Echo should be ashamed of themselves for not removing these sooner. Let's just wait and see what players we bring in and how they perform. In modern football cash is king, that's why our players are leaving as Tony from Liberia stated in his posting on the original Chambers article. Once the dust has settled either the so called happy clappers or the veggie neggies are going to be left with egg on their faces. We are either going to go into the season with a bunch of kids, or the current squad will be bolstered by some exiting new additions. I believe it will be the latter. If the club was going to be sold then the time to do it would have been at the end of last season. Finally Cortese did a great job, but its easy when you are spending someone else's money, ihe did not want his wings clipped and so he left. The Club is bigger than any one individual, real supporters support the club through thick and thin, not just because someone who held the stewardship for a short time promised Champions league Football. Now more than ever is the time to get behind our club and stop the in fighting, there was enough of that in the dark days of Rupert Lowe.[/p][/quote]Nobody is going to be left with egg on their faces bar people who are insulting KL and going overboard generally. Remaining positive is a good trait and so is being realistic. Having given Les and RK the benefit of the doubt I've become frustrated with their management of this situation and that hasn't stopped. I've criticised them and I will stand by that criticism because, even if we sign brilliantly, I still think it's been handled very badly and without a firm plan in place. Koeman has admitted that we won't go for players until we've seen if others are leaving, so the idea that we have a pre-determined master plan is not true. Doesn't mean we can't spend wisely, but I need to see action before I'll judge Les or RK fully. They asked to be judged on action and that's only fair. At the moment it doesn't look good, but we'll see. Cut the veggie neggies and happy clapper talk. While you claim to be calling people to unite you are polarising people into stereotypical 'camps', which is unhelpful. But one thing is for sure, we cannot afford to react badly to this situation on match days. Saints fans must take a siege mentality like we did when Nigel was sacked and focus our attention on the press, pundits and former players rather than firing on our club. Any vocal protests, calls of 'you don't know what you're doing' or booing of new players if they don't settle immediately is unthinkable and only serves to guarantee we'll struggle. It's amazing what can be achieved if the atmosphere at a club is right. OK, we aren't going to have the ideal, stable, confident environment we hoped we'd maintain, but if we gear up to fight together as a club against popular opinion we can come out of this strong. Saints tend to be good when we have our backs to the wall, so who knows. SaintJD
  • Score: 4

12:03pm Mon 28 Jul 14

St Van Roetford says...

george chivers wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Does anyone else look at the genocide in Gaza or the new cold war kicking off or the giant cover-up over industrial-scale child abuse in UK care homes and think "Actually, what's happening at Saints isn't that bad in the whole 'scheme of things'?"
Probably not then.

In my experience people try to steer clear of horrific reality and disappear into denial and fantasy. That's why so many of us still support Saints, because we choose think this nightmare is not real and we will wake tomorrow and it will have all gone away and by the end of September we will have won six league games with a completely new team of unknowns.

It won't have gone away of course and we won't have won six league games with a team of unknowns.

But the death count in Gaza will have increased and Putin will still be laughing up his sleeve because he has got half the world by the balls, and a couple more showbiz icons of the 60's and 70's will be stumbling up the steps to the Old Baliey on sticks, to lie their way through a three month trial that will cost the public purse a fortune.

Because that is the way of the world in our country and as Bob Dylan said in his eponymous song.

2
It's been a rum old summer. Never such innocence before or since.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Does anyone else look at the genocide in Gaza or the new cold war kicking off or the giant cover-up over industrial-scale child abuse in UK care homes and think "Actually, what's happening at Saints isn't that bad in the whole 'scheme of things'?"[/p][/quote]Probably not then. In my experience people try to steer clear of horrific reality and disappear into denial and fantasy. That's why so many of us still support Saints, because we choose think this nightmare is not real and we will wake tomorrow and it will have all gone away and by the end of September we will have won six league games with a completely new team of unknowns. It won't have gone away of course and we won't have won six league games with a team of unknowns. But the death count in Gaza will have increased and Putin will still be laughing up his sleeve because he has got half the world by the balls, and a couple more showbiz icons of the 60's and 70's will be stumbling up the steps to the Old Baliey on sticks, to lie their way through a three month trial that will cost the public purse a fortune. Because that is the way of the world in our country and as Bob Dylan said in his eponymous song. 2[/p][/quote]It's been a rum old summer. Never such innocence before or since. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 0

12:11pm Mon 28 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
To Whoever it may concern

Dear Sir
At the end of May I renewed my season ticket for the 2014/15 season I did this in the belief that the club would NOT sell its best players and was confident that Mr Reed was going to hold players to their contracts I believed this simply because he said so
It has since become obvious that this will not be the case and that we are a''selling''club and there is a''fire sale'' of our assets
As the club has miss-led me over this matter I believe that under trade description legislation I am entitled to return my ticket and obtain a full refund
I shall expect your response within 14 days after which I will contact trading standards

I have just sent this as an e-mail to SMS
While I understand your point and respect your right to ask for your money back, where, in the small print on a season ticket does it make written promises on recruitment and player sales, style of football, standard of pies etc?

Fully understand your frustration and I'm as fed up as anyone, but if your decision was dependent on these things I think maybe you should have waited before parting with your money.

True, you might not get the swagger and style of last season, but I don't think we'll be watching poor football next season - I've every confidence it will be exciting, involve attacking football and include some highs as well as lows.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: To Whoever it may concern Dear Sir At the end of May I renewed my season ticket for the 2014/15 season I did this in the belief that the club would NOT sell its best players and was confident that Mr Reed was going to hold players to their contracts I believed this simply because he said so It has since become obvious that this will not be the case and that we are a''selling''club and there is a''fire sale'' of our assets As the club has miss-led me over this matter I believe that under trade description legislation I am entitled to return my ticket and obtain a full refund I shall expect your response within 14 days after which I will contact trading standards I have just sent this as an e-mail to SMS[/p][/quote]While I understand your point and respect your right to ask for your money back, where, in the small print on a season ticket does it make written promises on recruitment and player sales, style of football, standard of pies etc? Fully understand your frustration and I'm as fed up as anyone, but if your decision was dependent on these things I think maybe you should have waited before parting with your money. True, you might not get the swagger and style of last season, but I don't think we'll be watching poor football next season - I've every confidence it will be exciting, involve attacking football and include some highs as well as lows. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

12:15pm Mon 28 Jul 14

N Ireland Saint says...

I heard that Brenda called off the Remy deal when he found out he didn't play for us.
I heard that Brenda called off the Remy deal when he found out he didn't play for us. N Ireland Saint
  • Score: 9

12:18pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
To Whoever it may concern

Dear Sir
At the end of May I renewed my season ticket for the 2014/15 season I did this in the belief that the club would NOT sell its best players and was confident that Mr Reed was going to hold players to their contracts I believed this simply because he said so
It has since become obvious that this will not be the case and that we are a''selling''club and there is a''fire sale'' of our assets
As the club has miss-led me over this matter I believe that under trade description legislation I am entitled to return my ticket and obtain a full refund
I shall expect your response within 14 days after which I will contact trading standards

I have just sent this as an e-mail to SMS
Good grief - hope this is tongue in cheek! If not you are surely the most naïve person ever to post on here. We're all frustrated by the amount of departures but we're also excited about who we're going to bring in! £16m for Chambers is an amazing piece of business!

Your post actually reminds me of the guy who asked for a refund on his season tickets last season coz the club refused to wave the £1.50 parking fee. Another prize prat.

Football is a business and the fact that the club came out and said 'we are not selling' was just to drive up transfer fees. Just like MoPo said 'I'm looking forward to discussing the future with the club.' Again, nonsense.

I suspect that someone has just opened up their emails and laughed their a*se off.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: To Whoever it may concern Dear Sir At the end of May I renewed my season ticket for the 2014/15 season I did this in the belief that the club would NOT sell its best players and was confident that Mr Reed was going to hold players to their contracts I believed this simply because he said so It has since become obvious that this will not be the case and that we are a''selling''club and there is a''fire sale'' of our assets As the club has miss-led me over this matter I believe that under trade description legislation I am entitled to return my ticket and obtain a full refund I shall expect your response within 14 days after which I will contact trading standards I have just sent this as an e-mail to SMS[/p][/quote]Good grief - hope this is tongue in cheek! If not you are surely the most naïve person ever to post on here. We're all frustrated by the amount of departures but we're also excited about who we're going to bring in! £16m for Chambers is an amazing piece of business! Your post actually reminds me of the guy who asked for a refund on his season tickets last season coz the club refused to wave the £1.50 parking fee. Another prize prat. Football is a business and the fact that the club came out and said 'we are not selling' was just to drive up transfer fees. Just like MoPo said 'I'm looking forward to discussing the future with the club.' Again, nonsense. I suspect that someone has just opened up their emails and laughed their a*se off. Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 4

12:20pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Confucious says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Echo: Thanks for doing an interview Les, would like to ask a few questions about transfers if that's ok?

Les: Grunt

Echo: Is selling a couple of teenage fullbacks who have been developed by the club from the age of 9 a good thing?

Les: Look, they are young we have been offered money and who knows they might get rickets or get run over or something and where would we be then? Eh? See not so easy is it? Best policy is to sell the youngsters because they don't stay youngsters for ever you know! Besides no one ever wins anything with youngsters.

Echo: Oh right. Well what about selling our talisman Rickie, that wasn't good was it?

Les: It was brilliant business, he was old and you don't want old players no one ever wins anything with old players.

Echo: Ok. So buying cheap foreign players is the way forward?

Les: Yes. Unless they don't stay cheap of course, like Lovren, so we need to sell them too. If Pelle scores he'll have to go in January.

Echo: Do you intend to keep Morgan?

Les: He's the one that most concerns me, I'm worried he might lack ambition and stay.

Echo: Oh right. Well thanks for setting the record straight and give our regards to Ralph.

Les: Not seen him since I sold him.
I think not.

The club is not only maintaining silence, but is being silent about why it is being silent. I think silence is forgivable under the circumstances - and indeed being silent about being silent is just about understandable. However, Confucious.com/sport
s has pressed the matter by asking why the club is being silent about being silent about being silent and the result is silence too.

However, refusing to give up, my sports editor has now e mailed the club to demand a statement about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent. And if this results in silence then he will demand to be told why there is silence about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent.

If by Friday the club are silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent - then we will give up, but publish a lengthy and very interesting feature by Prof Henry Stephenson on the exact nature of silence in the physical world.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Echo: Thanks for doing an interview Les, would like to ask a few questions about transfers if that's ok? Les: Grunt Echo: Is selling a couple of teenage fullbacks who have been developed by the club from the age of 9 a good thing? Les: Look, they are young we have been offered money and who knows they might get rickets or get run over or something and where would we be then? Eh? See not so easy is it? Best policy is to sell the youngsters because they don't stay youngsters for ever you know! Besides no one ever wins anything with youngsters. Echo: Oh right. Well what about selling our talisman Rickie, that wasn't good was it? Les: It was brilliant business, he was old and you don't want old players no one ever wins anything with old players. Echo: Ok. So buying cheap foreign players is the way forward? Les: Yes. Unless they don't stay cheap of course, like Lovren, so we need to sell them too. If Pelle scores he'll have to go in January. Echo: Do you intend to keep Morgan? Les: He's the one that most concerns me, I'm worried he might lack ambition and stay. Echo: Oh right. Well thanks for setting the record straight and give our regards to Ralph. Les: Not seen him since I sold him.[/p][/quote]I think not. The club is not only maintaining silence, but is being silent about why it is being silent. I think silence is forgivable under the circumstances - and indeed being silent about being silent is just about understandable. However, Confucious.com/sport s has pressed the matter by asking why the club is being silent about being silent about being silent and the result is silence too. However, refusing to give up, my sports editor has now e mailed the club to demand a statement about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent. And if this results in silence then he will demand to be told why there is silence about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent. If by Friday the club are silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent - then we will give up, but publish a lengthy and very interesting feature by Prof Henry Stephenson on the exact nature of silence in the physical world. Confucious
  • Score: 0

12:20pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Confucious says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Echo: Thanks for doing an interview Les, would like to ask a few questions about transfers if that's ok?

Les: Grunt

Echo: Is selling a couple of teenage fullbacks who have been developed by the club from the age of 9 a good thing?

Les: Look, they are young we have been offered money and who knows they might get rickets or get run over or something and where would we be then? Eh? See not so easy is it? Best policy is to sell the youngsters because they don't stay youngsters for ever you know! Besides no one ever wins anything with youngsters.

Echo: Oh right. Well what about selling our talisman Rickie, that wasn't good was it?

Les: It was brilliant business, he was old and you don't want old players no one ever wins anything with old players.

Echo: Ok. So buying cheap foreign players is the way forward?

Les: Yes. Unless they don't stay cheap of course, like Lovren, so we need to sell them too. If Pelle scores he'll have to go in January.

Echo: Do you intend to keep Morgan?

Les: He's the one that most concerns me, I'm worried he might lack ambition and stay.

Echo: Oh right. Well thanks for setting the record straight and give our regards to Ralph.

Les: Not seen him since I sold him.
I think not.

The club is not only maintaining silence, but is being silent about why it is being silent. I think silence is forgivable under the circumstances - and indeed being silent about being silent is just about understandable. However, Confucious.com/sport
s has pressed the matter by asking why the club is being silent about being silent about being silent and the result is silence too.

However, refusing to give up, my sports editor has now e mailed the club to demand a statement about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent. And if this results in silence then he will demand to be told why there is silence about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent.

If by Friday the club are silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent - then we will give up, but publish a lengthy and very interesting feature by Prof Henry Stephenson on the exact nature of silence in the physical world.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Echo: Thanks for doing an interview Les, would like to ask a few questions about transfers if that's ok? Les: Grunt Echo: Is selling a couple of teenage fullbacks who have been developed by the club from the age of 9 a good thing? Les: Look, they are young we have been offered money and who knows they might get rickets or get run over or something and where would we be then? Eh? See not so easy is it? Best policy is to sell the youngsters because they don't stay youngsters for ever you know! Besides no one ever wins anything with youngsters. Echo: Oh right. Well what about selling our talisman Rickie, that wasn't good was it? Les: It was brilliant business, he was old and you don't want old players no one ever wins anything with old players. Echo: Ok. So buying cheap foreign players is the way forward? Les: Yes. Unless they don't stay cheap of course, like Lovren, so we need to sell them too. If Pelle scores he'll have to go in January. Echo: Do you intend to keep Morgan? Les: He's the one that most concerns me, I'm worried he might lack ambition and stay. Echo: Oh right. Well thanks for setting the record straight and give our regards to Ralph. Les: Not seen him since I sold him.[/p][/quote]I think not. The club is not only maintaining silence, but is being silent about why it is being silent. I think silence is forgivable under the circumstances - and indeed being silent about being silent is just about understandable. However, Confucious.com/sport s has pressed the matter by asking why the club is being silent about being silent about being silent and the result is silence too. However, refusing to give up, my sports editor has now e mailed the club to demand a statement about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent. And if this results in silence then he will demand to be told why there is silence about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent. If by Friday the club are silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent - then we will give up, but publish a lengthy and very interesting feature by Prof Henry Stephenson on the exact nature of silence in the physical world. Confucious
  • Score: 1

12:22pm Mon 28 Jul 14

andy newbury says...

signing callum chambers is no gamble on the part of arsenal it is just a good investment by them and a very bad move by the saints management board. this move will come back and bite them sooner or later and I think it will be sooner.callum is in my mind a better player than luke and time will prove me right. I was hoping that he would have gone un-noticed but it was not to be. what do the recent actions now mean to future youngsters that do well in our academy, why bother even playing them in the future, just put them up for sale as and when the academy thinks they are ready. I want to be supportive but am really angry and upset with what is happening and although a season ticket holder wonder why I renewed it. Doesn,t mean I will use it either, still have to consider the cost of the fuel and the use of my time. Never ever thought I would be saying this.
signing callum chambers is no gamble on the part of arsenal it is just a good investment by them and a very bad move by the saints management board. this move will come back and bite them sooner or later and I think it will be sooner.callum is in my mind a better player than luke and time will prove me right. I was hoping that he would have gone un-noticed but it was not to be. what do the recent actions now mean to future youngsters that do well in our academy, why bother even playing them in the future, just put them up for sale as and when the academy thinks they are ready. I want to be supportive but am really angry and upset with what is happening and although a season ticket holder wonder why I renewed it. Doesn,t mean I will use it either, still have to consider the cost of the fuel and the use of my time. Never ever thought I would be saying this. andy newbury
  • Score: 5

12:23pm Mon 28 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

I can't for the life of me understand this sell. If all of the other departures weren't bad enough the three stooges decide to green light this one.

I didn't buy into the whole asset stripping theory, but with every sale it looks more and more plausible. And the silence emanating from KL is deafening. Les Read could give a statement but only the gullible would believe it (and we know who they ere, don't we!)

Maybe, just maybe KL isn't too enamoured with owning a club and sees it as a complete waste of money, and she's cashing out. Bringing in Ron would help give the club some potential to buyers, while she sells off the most valuable assets.

I haven't completely passed judgement yet, but Warrens's conspiracy theories aren't looking so half baked now.
I can't for the life of me understand this sell. If all of the other departures weren't bad enough the three stooges decide to green light this one. I didn't buy into the whole asset stripping theory, but with every sale it looks more and more plausible. And the silence emanating from KL is deafening. Les Read could give a statement but only the gullible would believe it (and we know who they ere, don't we!) Maybe, just maybe KL isn't too enamoured with owning a club and sees it as a complete waste of money, and she's cashing out. Bringing in Ron would help give the club some potential to buyers, while she sells off the most valuable assets. I haven't completely passed judgement yet, but Warrens's conspiracy theories aren't looking so half baked now. redandy10
  • Score: 4

12:30pm Mon 28 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

On a lighter note and not in a silent way this may cheer some of you up.
I bought 4 tickets for the Brighton away game (without even looking at the fixture date) ...which I thought was this Saturday.
I was informed by the other lads that the said tickets were purchased for on Friday at Bournemouth that the game is Thursday night.
They can't go so I'm now stuck with them and not sure if I can make it now.
Do I feel like a complete mug?
YES!!.......LOL!
COYR FOADP
On a lighter note and not in a silent way this may cheer some of you up. I bought 4 tickets for the Brighton away game (without even looking at the fixture date) ...which I thought was this Saturday. I was informed by the other lads that the said tickets were purchased for on Friday at Bournemouth that the game is Thursday night. They can't go so I'm now stuck with them and not sure if I can make it now. Do I feel like a complete mug? YES!!.......LOL! COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

12:34pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Chapperall says...

Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job! Chapperall
  • Score: 5

12:36pm Mon 28 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
[quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said! redandy10
  • Score: 2

12:52pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Numpty Girl says...

Lambert, Lallana, Shaw, Lovren, Chambers - this is Les's High-Five to Saints' fans! Never mind though - Krüger told us earlier in the summer that there were oodles of top players waiting to sign for us!
So far we have Pelle and Tadic both of whom are struggling against lowly opposition! Meanwhile, Krüger, Liebherr and Reed remain silent - silent killers of our great club.
Lambert, Lallana, Shaw, Lovren, Chambers - this is Les's High-Five to Saints' fans! Never mind though - Krüger told us earlier in the summer that there were oodles of top players waiting to sign for us! So far we have Pelle and Tadic both of whom are struggling against lowly opposition! Meanwhile, Krüger, Liebherr and Reed remain silent - silent killers of our great club. Numpty Girl
  • Score: 6

12:52pm Mon 28 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

andy newbury wrote:
signing callum chambers is no gamble on the part of arsenal it is just a good investment by them and a very bad move by the saints management board. this move will come back and bite them sooner or later and I think it will be sooner.callum is in my mind a better player than luke and time will prove me right. I was hoping that he would have gone un-noticed but it was not to be. what do the recent actions now mean to future youngsters that do well in our academy, why bother even playing them in the future, just put them up for sale as and when the academy thinks they are ready. I want to be supportive but am really angry and upset with what is happening and although a season ticket holder wonder why I renewed it. Doesn,t mean I will use it either, still have to consider the cost of the fuel and the use of my time. Never ever thought I would be saying this.
You're not alone if it helps in anyway.
As Confucious has already mentioned ( Several times!! ) the silence from the club and inactivity of new players coming in is really starting to get peoples backs up.
Not knowing what's in the pipeline or what exactly is in the minds of the people who are running the club is kind of leaving everyone in suspended animation. Do we all light the torches and storm the castle demanding answers now? or do we sit tight and ride it out and hope signings and news from the club is just round the corner?
Time is now running out as the new season approaches and we all know how important it will be to get new look side together asap.
If we storm the castle and plans are already in place will we do more damage than good? If we sit back and no more players come in and no news comes out of the club will we all feel totally betrayed and boycott the board etc, whilst feeling we acted too late?
Stuck between a rock and a hard place is how I feel at the moment.
I just hope there will be good news on the horizon very, very soon or the torches may be out by next weekend and the the last home friendly will be interesting to say the least.
COYR FOADP
[quote][p][bold]andy newbury[/bold] wrote: signing callum chambers is no gamble on the part of arsenal it is just a good investment by them and a very bad move by the saints management board. this move will come back and bite them sooner or later and I think it will be sooner.callum is in my mind a better player than luke and time will prove me right. I was hoping that he would have gone un-noticed but it was not to be. what do the recent actions now mean to future youngsters that do well in our academy, why bother even playing them in the future, just put them up for sale as and when the academy thinks they are ready. I want to be supportive but am really angry and upset with what is happening and although a season ticket holder wonder why I renewed it. Doesn,t mean I will use it either, still have to consider the cost of the fuel and the use of my time. Never ever thought I would be saying this.[/p][/quote]You're not alone if it helps in anyway. As Confucious has already mentioned ( Several times!! ) the silence from the club and inactivity of new players coming in is really starting to get peoples backs up. Not knowing what's in the pipeline or what exactly is in the minds of the people who are running the club is kind of leaving everyone in suspended animation. Do we all light the torches and storm the castle demanding answers now? or do we sit tight and ride it out and hope signings and news from the club is just round the corner? Time is now running out as the new season approaches and we all know how important it will be to get new look side together asap. If we storm the castle and plans are already in place will we do more damage than good? If we sit back and no more players come in and no news comes out of the club will we all feel totally betrayed and boycott the board etc, whilst feeling we acted too late? Stuck between a rock and a hard place is how I feel at the moment. I just hope there will be good news on the horizon very, very soon or the torches may be out by next weekend and the the last home friendly will be interesting to say the least. COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

12:59pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Prit says...

notaclue wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
Shouldn't Wenger wait until this is officially announced before shouting off?
What just like Woy did?

There is something seriously wrong when Koeman states on Friday evening post match that Calum is ill and that is why he is not in the squad and that his transfer is all just rumours, when three hours earlier he had been having a medical at Arsenal.

Time for a wake up call for many Saints fans, our leadership (apart from Koeman) is not up to the job!!

If Koeman had known the situation then he wouldn't have said it and yet plenty of people on the twitter suspected the Arsenal move at the time and that is why he was asked those questions. It doesn't do him any favours either if he is our club spokesman.
You are of course assuming that Koeman has at least some idea of what is going on !!
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: Shouldn't Wenger wait until this is officially announced before shouting off?[/p][/quote]What just like Woy did? There is something seriously wrong when Koeman states on Friday evening post match that Calum is ill and that is why he is not in the squad and that his transfer is all just rumours, when three hours earlier he had been having a medical at Arsenal. Time for a wake up call for many Saints fans, our leadership (apart from Koeman) is not up to the job!! If Koeman had known the situation then he wouldn't have said it and yet plenty of people on the twitter suspected the Arsenal move at the time and that is why he was asked those questions. It doesn't do him any favours either if he is our club spokesman.[/p][/quote]You are of course assuming that Koeman has at least some idea of what is going on !! Prit
  • Score: 1

1:00pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Numpty Girl says...

redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping! Numpty Girl
  • Score: 3

1:10pm Mon 28 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
But not hindering either.
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]But not hindering either. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

1:14pm Mon 28 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

Confucious wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Echo: Thanks for doing an interview Les, would like to ask a few questions about transfers if that's ok?

Les: Grunt

Echo: Is selling a couple of teenage fullbacks who have been developed by the club from the age of 9 a good thing?

Les: Look, they are young we have been offered money and who knows they might get rickets or get run over or something and where would we be then? Eh? See not so easy is it? Best policy is to sell the youngsters because they don't stay youngsters for ever you know! Besides no one ever wins anything with youngsters.

Echo: Oh right. Well what about selling our talisman Rickie, that wasn't good was it?

Les: It was brilliant business, he was old and you don't want old players no one ever wins anything with old players.

Echo: Ok. So buying cheap foreign players is the way forward?

Les: Yes. Unless they don't stay cheap of course, like Lovren, so we need to sell them too. If Pelle scores he'll have to go in January.

Echo: Do you intend to keep Morgan?

Les: He's the one that most concerns me, I'm worried he might lack ambition and stay.

Echo: Oh right. Well thanks for setting the record straight and give our regards to Ralph.

Les: Not seen him since I sold him.
I think not.

The club is not only maintaining silence, but is being silent about why it is being silent. I think silence is forgivable under the circumstances - and indeed being silent about being silent is just about understandable. However, Confucious.com/sport

s has pressed the matter by asking why the club is being silent about being silent about being silent and the result is silence too.

However, refusing to give up, my sports editor has now e mailed the club to demand a statement about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent. And if this results in silence then he will demand to be told why there is silence about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent.

If by Friday the club are silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent - then we will give up, but publish a lengthy and very interesting feature by Prof Henry Stephenson on the exact nature of silence in the physical world.
Oh Sssssshhhhhh will you !
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Echo: Thanks for doing an interview Les, would like to ask a few questions about transfers if that's ok? Les: Grunt Echo: Is selling a couple of teenage fullbacks who have been developed by the club from the age of 9 a good thing? Les: Look, they are young we have been offered money and who knows they might get rickets or get run over or something and where would we be then? Eh? See not so easy is it? Best policy is to sell the youngsters because they don't stay youngsters for ever you know! Besides no one ever wins anything with youngsters. Echo: Oh right. Well what about selling our talisman Rickie, that wasn't good was it? Les: It was brilliant business, he was old and you don't want old players no one ever wins anything with old players. Echo: Ok. So buying cheap foreign players is the way forward? Les: Yes. Unless they don't stay cheap of course, like Lovren, so we need to sell them too. If Pelle scores he'll have to go in January. Echo: Do you intend to keep Morgan? Les: He's the one that most concerns me, I'm worried he might lack ambition and stay. Echo: Oh right. Well thanks for setting the record straight and give our regards to Ralph. Les: Not seen him since I sold him.[/p][/quote]I think not. The club is not only maintaining silence, but is being silent about why it is being silent. I think silence is forgivable under the circumstances - and indeed being silent about being silent is just about understandable. However, Confucious.com/sport s has pressed the matter by asking why the club is being silent about being silent about being silent and the result is silence too. However, refusing to give up, my sports editor has now e mailed the club to demand a statement about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent. And if this results in silence then he will demand to be told why there is silence about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent. If by Friday the club are silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent about being silent - then we will give up, but publish a lengthy and very interesting feature by Prof Henry Stephenson on the exact nature of silence in the physical world.[/p][/quote]Oh Sssssshhhhhh will you ! J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

1:15pm Mon 28 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated? redandy10
  • Score: 2

1:17pm Mon 28 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Blue means Success wrote:
As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus?

At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.
We're doing whatever we decide to do and the decision process will not include you as long as you don't step out in front of one of our vehicles. Now stay down the leprosy colony end of the M27 out of sight of the humans please.
[quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus? At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.[/p][/quote]We're doing whatever we decide to do and the decision process will not include you as long as you don't step out in front of one of our vehicles. Now stay down the leprosy colony end of the M27 out of sight of the humans please. jls217
  • Score: 0

1:19pm Mon 28 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

1:22pm Mon 28 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Blue means Success wrote:
arthur boutfaith wrote:
Blue means Success wrote:
As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus?

At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.
We're busy counting all that cash (something you can only dream of) and working out the best way to spend it.
Probably on some more international players no doubt.
How was Ebbsfleet at the weekend?
We have just contributed towards new training pitches. So we are still counting cash and also spending it.

No-one is having a dig at your club - just amazed at the lack of action.
It's so very kind of you to be concerned, thank you. Do drop into our training facilities on your way past to taking the lead of a church roof or whatever it is you do to finance your club. Have a word with my man there and see if we can loan you a couple of U14's to improve the overall quality you have for kick off. Charitably yours - Katharina Liebherr.
[quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur boutfaith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus? At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.[/p][/quote]We're busy counting all that cash (something you can only dream of) and working out the best way to spend it. Probably on some more international players no doubt. How was Ebbsfleet at the weekend?[/p][/quote]We have just contributed towards new training pitches. So we are still counting cash and also spending it. No-one is having a dig at your club - just amazed at the lack of action.[/p][/quote]It's so very kind of you to be concerned, thank you. Do drop into our training facilities on your way past to taking the lead of a church roof or whatever it is you do to finance your club. Have a word with my man there and see if we can loan you a couple of U14's to improve the overall quality you have for kick off. Charitably yours - Katharina Liebherr. jls217
  • Score: 2

1:22pm Mon 28 Jul 14

WAsaint says...

notaclue wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
Shouldn't Wenger wait until this is officially announced before shouting off?
What just like Woy did?

There is something seriously wrong when Koeman states on Friday evening post match that Calum is ill and that is why he is not in the squad and that his transfer is all just rumours, when three hours earlier he had been having a medical at Arsenal.

Time for a wake up call for many Saints fans, our leadership (apart from Koeman) is not up to the job!!

If Koeman had known the situation then he wouldn't have said it and yet plenty of people on the twitter suspected the Arsenal move at the time and that is why he was asked those questions. It doesn't do him any favours either if he is our club spokesman.
Good point about the integrity of our new manager. I have remarked in earlier posts that RK has been strangely quiet about the outgoing transfers.

As manager, he has a much freer hand in his statements to press and the fans - if he was to make any heartfelt comments against board/owner actions this early in his tenure, he would probably get away with just a slap on the wrist from his bosses.

I can only assume that since this has not happened, he either supports the exodus, or he is a simply a "yes man" (appointed for that very reason).

Surely a new manager with no PL experience would cherish having a settled, cohesive squad to work with at the start of his first season.

I love Wenger's mention of "risk". He is aware of the knife edge position of any PL manager. The great managers are prepared to take risks and then take the consequences of their decisions - both good and bad.

I'm not sure that RK has so far displayed the sort of characteristics that I believe suit the style of SFC.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: Shouldn't Wenger wait until this is officially announced before shouting off?[/p][/quote]What just like Woy did? There is something seriously wrong when Koeman states on Friday evening post match that Calum is ill and that is why he is not in the squad and that his transfer is all just rumours, when three hours earlier he had been having a medical at Arsenal. Time for a wake up call for many Saints fans, our leadership (apart from Koeman) is not up to the job!! If Koeman had known the situation then he wouldn't have said it and yet plenty of people on the twitter suspected the Arsenal move at the time and that is why he was asked those questions. It doesn't do him any favours either if he is our club spokesman.[/p][/quote]Good point about the integrity of our new manager. I have remarked in earlier posts that RK has been strangely quiet about the outgoing transfers. As manager, he has a much freer hand in his statements to press and the fans - if he was to make any heartfelt comments against board/owner actions this early in his tenure, he would probably get away with just a slap on the wrist from his bosses. I can only assume that since this has not happened, he either supports the exodus, or he is a simply a "yes man" (appointed for that very reason). Surely a new manager with no PL experience would cherish having a settled, cohesive squad to work with at the start of his first season. I love Wenger's mention of "risk". He is aware of the knife edge position of any PL manager. The great managers are prepared to take risks and then take the consequences of their decisions - both good and bad. I'm not sure that RK has so far displayed the sort of characteristics that I believe suit the style of SFC. WAsaint
  • Score: 2

1:25pm Mon 28 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU! redandy10
  • Score: -1

1:29pm Mon 28 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

jls217 wrote:
Blue means Success wrote:
As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus?

At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.
We're doing whatever we decide to do and the decision process will not include you as long as you don't step out in front of one of our vehicles. Now stay down the leprosy colony end of the M27 out of sight of the humans please.
"Leprosy colony" good one JLS!

Things might be depressing with us at present, but they are not Pompey depressing.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: As I stated a few days ago. What are your fans doing about the exodus? At present -1 guy wrote an open letter to the Echo, and even he got some abuse.[/p][/quote]We're doing whatever we decide to do and the decision process will not include you as long as you don't step out in front of one of our vehicles. Now stay down the leprosy colony end of the M27 out of sight of the humans please.[/p][/quote]"Leprosy colony" good one JLS! Things might be depressing with us at present, but they are not Pompey depressing. redandy10
  • Score: 2

1:30pm Mon 28 Jul 14

saintbobby says...

If Callum is so good, can play anywhere the man says, I do hope, amongst all this mess, someone reminded the clever chaps in the club, how Gareth Bale was sold for just a little less, but eventually for £87million. And what was our sell-on clause on this? Not a lot.

So I trust that these transfers have been properly tied up and that there are proper clauses to ensure there is more to come from any future transfers. I wonder!
If Callum is so good, can play anywhere the man says, I do hope, amongst all this mess, someone reminded the clever chaps in the club, how Gareth Bale was sold for just a little less, but eventually for £87million. And what was our sell-on clause on this? Not a lot. So I trust that these transfers have been properly tied up and that there are proper clauses to ensure there is more to come from any future transfers. I wonder! saintbobby
  • Score: 4

1:31pm Mon 28 Jul 14

the cowman says...

SaintJD wrote:
the cowman wrote:
All the hysteria needs to stop. Firstly personal insults against the daughter of the man that saved the Saints are totally out of order and the Echo should be ashamed of themselves for not removing these sooner.
Let's just wait and see what players we bring in and how they perform.
In modern football cash is king, that's why our players are leaving as Tony from Liberia stated in his posting on the original Chambers article.
Once the dust has settled either the so called happy clappers or the veggie neggies are going to be left with egg on their faces. We are either going to go into the season with a bunch of kids, or the current squad will be bolstered by some exiting new additions. I believe it will be the latter. If the club was going to be sold then the time to do it would have been at the end of last season. Finally Cortese did a great job, but its easy when you are spending someone else's money, ihe did not want his wings clipped and so he left. The Club is bigger than any one individual, real supporters support the club through thick and thin, not just because someone who held the stewardship for a short time promised Champions league Football. Now more than ever is the time to get behind our club and stop the in fighting, there was enough of that in the dark days of Rupert Lowe.
Nobody is going to be left with egg on their faces bar people who are insulting KL and going overboard generally. Remaining positive is a good trait and so is being realistic.

Having given Les and RK the benefit of the doubt I've become frustrated with their management of this situation and that hasn't stopped. I've criticised them and I will stand by that criticism because, even if we sign brilliantly, I still think it's been handled very badly and without a firm plan in place. Koeman has admitted that we won't go for players until we've seen if others are leaving, so the idea that we have a pre-determined master plan is not true.

Doesn't mean we can't spend wisely, but I need to see action before I'll judge Les or RK fully. They asked to be judged on action and that's only fair. At the moment it doesn't look good, but we'll see.

Cut the veggie neggies and happy clapper talk. While you claim to be calling people to unite you are polarising people into stereotypical 'camps', which is unhelpful.

But one thing is for sure, we cannot afford to react badly to this situation on match days.

Saints fans must take a siege mentality like we did when Nigel was sacked and focus our attention on the press, pundits and former players rather than firing on our club.

Any vocal protests, calls of 'you don't know what you're doing' or booing of new players if they don't settle immediately is unthinkable and only serves to guarantee we'll struggle.

It's amazing what can be achieved if the atmosphere at a club is right.

OK, we aren't going to have the ideal, stable, confident environment we hoped we'd maintain, but if we gear up to fight together as a club against popular opinion we can come out of this strong.

Saints tend to be good when we have our backs to the wall, so who knows.
Firstly the happy clapper and neggie veggie reference was not an attempt to polarise people, they do that themselves with the ranting and raving, particularly those as you say who get personal against people within the club and other posters. If we sign good quality replacements, and have a good season then those spouting bile will conveniently forget their condemnation of those who currently hold the stewardship of our football club. We might not own the company but we are emotionally tied to it, and I find it difficult to understand how people can talk about sending season tickets back and jumping ship to watch local football. How long have these people supported the club? I have supported the club since the early sixties as man and boy, there have been good times and bad, but I would never dream of deserting my club. Had we gone out of business when Rupert Lowe was in charge then I think I would have found it difficult to support any phoenix club that rose from the ashes, but luckily my resolve was not tested. Whether Ronald Koeman was aware of what he was walking in to we will probably never know, but he is experiences enough to know that players who don't want to be at a club are a liability, you only need on bad apple in the barrel.
I share your frustration with the apparent lack of action on the incoming player front. However, I also believe that the club has for always kept Its cards close to its chest where transfers are concerned, this goes back to the days of Ted Bates. While I enjoy reading the papers when they link us with players, equally I have no problem with the club operating under the radar on transfers. So until the transfer window closes I remain positive, and to some will be seen as a happy clapper, I can live with that.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the cowman[/bold] wrote: All the hysteria needs to stop. Firstly personal insults against the daughter of the man that saved the Saints are totally out of order and the Echo should be ashamed of themselves for not removing these sooner. Let's just wait and see what players we bring in and how they perform. In modern football cash is king, that's why our players are leaving as Tony from Liberia stated in his posting on the original Chambers article. Once the dust has settled either the so called happy clappers or the veggie neggies are going to be left with egg on their faces. We are either going to go into the season with a bunch of kids, or the current squad will be bolstered by some exiting new additions. I believe it will be the latter. If the club was going to be sold then the time to do it would have been at the end of last season. Finally Cortese did a great job, but its easy when you are spending someone else's money, ihe did not want his wings clipped and so he left. The Club is bigger than any one individual, real supporters support the club through thick and thin, not just because someone who held the stewardship for a short time promised Champions league Football. Now more than ever is the time to get behind our club and stop the in fighting, there was enough of that in the dark days of Rupert Lowe.[/p][/quote]Nobody is going to be left with egg on their faces bar people who are insulting KL and going overboard generally. Remaining positive is a good trait and so is being realistic. Having given Les and RK the benefit of the doubt I've become frustrated with their management of this situation and that hasn't stopped. I've criticised them and I will stand by that criticism because, even if we sign brilliantly, I still think it's been handled very badly and without a firm plan in place. Koeman has admitted that we won't go for players until we've seen if others are leaving, so the idea that we have a pre-determined master plan is not true. Doesn't mean we can't spend wisely, but I need to see action before I'll judge Les or RK fully. They asked to be judged on action and that's only fair. At the moment it doesn't look good, but we'll see. Cut the veggie neggies and happy clapper talk. While you claim to be calling people to unite you are polarising people into stereotypical 'camps', which is unhelpful. But one thing is for sure, we cannot afford to react badly to this situation on match days. Saints fans must take a siege mentality like we did when Nigel was sacked and focus our attention on the press, pundits and former players rather than firing on our club. Any vocal protests, calls of 'you don't know what you're doing' or booing of new players if they don't settle immediately is unthinkable and only serves to guarantee we'll struggle. It's amazing what can be achieved if the atmosphere at a club is right. OK, we aren't going to have the ideal, stable, confident environment we hoped we'd maintain, but if we gear up to fight together as a club against popular opinion we can come out of this strong. Saints tend to be good when we have our backs to the wall, so who knows.[/p][/quote]Firstly the happy clapper and neggie veggie reference was not an attempt to polarise people, they do that themselves with the ranting and raving, particularly those as you say who get personal against people within the club and other posters. If we sign good quality replacements, and have a good season then those spouting bile will conveniently forget their condemnation of those who currently hold the stewardship of our football club. We might not own the company but we are emotionally tied to it, and I find it difficult to understand how people can talk about sending season tickets back and jumping ship to watch local football. How long have these people supported the club? I have supported the club since the early sixties as man and boy, there have been good times and bad, but I would never dream of deserting my club. Had we gone out of business when Rupert Lowe was in charge then I think I would have found it difficult to support any phoenix club that rose from the ashes, but luckily my resolve was not tested. Whether Ronald Koeman was aware of what he was walking in to we will probably never know, but he is experiences enough to know that players who don't want to be at a club are a liability, you only need on bad apple in the barrel. I share your frustration with the apparent lack of action on the incoming player front. However, I also believe that the club has for always kept Its cards close to its chest where transfers are concerned, this goes back to the days of Ted Bates. While I enjoy reading the papers when they link us with players, equally I have no problem with the club operating under the radar on transfers. So until the transfer window closes I remain positive, and to some will be seen as a happy clapper, I can live with that. the cowman
  • Score: 4

1:32pm Mon 28 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
So now let's wait for the truth about Calum's transfer fee. The Telegraph this morning (where this story is lifted from, well done again Echo) says it is a "total" of £16M. I suspect this is made up mostly of add-ons and delayed payments, in much the same way as we've just signed the 15-year old goalie from Torquay for a "total" of £1.3M.
I have heard everything from 6m to 16m. Again the club will not reveal the actual amount. A curt line about a significant amount is what I expect.

People need to get their heads round the fact that Katerina Lieber is a different person to Markus. He invested his money and even left a trust fund with which the club continued to invested last season. I wouldn’t be alarmist enough to say that she is asset stripping the club why appoint Koeman if she was doing that. I do think that she will be looking to make an ongoing profit from the club though, much like Lowe did. It’s her club after all.
Indeed it is Jesus.
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: So now let's wait for the truth about Calum's transfer fee. The Telegraph this morning (where this story is lifted from, well done again Echo) says it is a "total" of £16M. I suspect this is made up mostly of add-ons and delayed payments, in much the same way as we've just signed the 15-year old goalie from Torquay for a "total" of £1.3M.[/p][/quote]I have heard everything from 6m to 16m. Again the club will not reveal the actual amount. A curt line about a significant amount is what I expect. People need to get their heads round the fact that Katerina Lieber is a different person to Markus. He invested his money and even left a trust fund with which the club continued to invested last season. I wouldn’t be alarmist enough to say that she is asset stripping the club why appoint Koeman if she was doing that. I do think that she will be looking to make an ongoing profit from the club though, much like Lowe did. It’s her club after all.[/p][/quote]Indeed it is Jesus. jls217
  • Score: 1

1:32pm Mon 28 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
Baby talk now do as you are told, have you lost your dummy?
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]Baby talk now do as you are told, have you lost your dummy? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

1:36pm Mon 28 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
Baby talk now do as you are told, have you lost your dummy?
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

BORING!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]Baby talk now do as you are told, have you lost your dummy?[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BORING! redandy10
  • Score: -1

1:37pm Mon 28 Jul 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

Fellow fans,

In the interest of discovering our general sentiment, would you please take the following one-question poll that I have created:

http://vote.pollcode
.com/49543424#sthash
.OhmGuQ7b.dpuf

Thank you.
Fellow fans, In the interest of discovering our general sentiment, would you please take the following one-question poll that I have created: http://vote.pollcode .com/49543424#sthash .OhmGuQ7b.dpuf Thank you. BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: -1

1:37pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
So, do you really believe that, if we all **** and moan on here, the sales will stop?
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]So, do you really believe that, if we all **** and moan on here, the sales will stop? Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

1:38pm Mon 28 Jul 14

InsideOutCat says...

redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 4

1:38pm Mon 28 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Bazultra wrote:
Im tired of losing our academy graduates to these vultures. Bring on the thumbs down. KATERINA OUT NOW
Yeah and while you're at it it rained last week and if she'd have invested my bike wouldn't have rust on it today. The cat has thrown up on the morning paper and there's no milk for my coffee. She's doing nothing except sunbathing, nicking my milk, making my cat throw up and a couple of other annoying things too. KATERINA OUT NOW.
Thank goodness the neanderthals are not after Katharina.
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Im tired of losing our academy graduates to these vultures. Bring on the thumbs down. KATERINA OUT NOW[/p][/quote]Yeah and while you're at it it rained last week and if she'd have invested my bike wouldn't have rust on it today. The cat has thrown up on the morning paper and there's no milk for my coffee. She's doing nothing except sunbathing, nicking my milk, making my cat throw up and a couple of other annoying things too. KATERINA OUT NOW. Thank goodness the neanderthals are not after Katharina. jls217
  • Score: 0

1:40pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Blackwaterblue says...

Just remember, just like us lot own the road used to be, you as a fan have no say in the running of your cub. But look on the bright side, you're in the Prem, a good stadium and loads of money to buy players! Not Bad!
Just remember, just like us lot own the road used to be, you as a fan have no say in the running of your cub. But look on the bright side, you're in the Prem, a good stadium and loads of money to buy players! Not Bad! Blackwaterblue
  • Score: 3

1:40pm Mon 28 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
Baby talk now do as you are told, have you lost your dummy?
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

BORING!
There, there, now, temper, temper, time for your nap now, keep up the zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs there is a good little person.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]Baby talk now do as you are told, have you lost your dummy?[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BORING![/p][/quote]There, there, now, temper, temper, time for your nap now, keep up the zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs there is a good little person. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

1:42pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Invidia says...

milton road wrote:
We have two prospective England right backs you are never going to keep both unless you are in Europe and can give them good game time. That is the reality but this is now a fire sale and apparently with |Brenda interested in Jay now Remy has fallen through anything can happen.
It is not the sales as much as the message it sends out to the football world NO AMBITION, NO STOMACH TO KEEP PLAYERS. Whether that id the truth or not I do not know but it is what has turned us into a laughing stock through football.
You honestly think Morgan will want to stay now?
We are so coy about spending the dosh and where are all these players just dying to come to Saints?
Lambert was always going as was Shaw and I think that was agreed before he signed pro forms. There was a lot of talk then that a deal had already been done that he would be sold to MU at the end of the season.
Lallana is a very good player but not great player same as Lovren and Chambers.
We can actually get as good or better but you have to be prepared to spend the money and pick the right players to achieve that. We either have a board that believes this and sees this as the opportunity to build a good team a a stop gap for the next youngsters who are already pushing to get through. Alternatively we are run by a bunch of idiots I have not made my mind up yet jury is out until the season starts.
Koeman was promised a transfer chest as well as all money from players. That chest was said to be anything form 20 mil to 50 well lets go with the twenty.
add 23m, 27m 4m 20m and 16m is 110 million - 20 million for incoming players leaves 90 mil in the coffers. Will we spend it?
I do not think KL is looking to sell she turned down several bids apparently, one of them by a consortium set up by Cortese before he left.
But this could either turn into a major c*ck up or the best thing that has happened to Saints and at the moment I am not really sure what to think.
We have so many really good players the future is not black, but it really needs some positive and good signings to make this work now.
As usual Milton Road you make a lot of sense, the only bit I feel is the bit about ambition as Dejan Lovren said (although some may have been lost in translation) that Southampton has no ambition of course in truth no team that are not in the top six can really compete, the proof of the pudding is Saints, there is no team below us last year, can sustain the wages being paid by the top six, now that the fair play scam is in place.

Ode to Les

The king sat in his counting house, counting all his money when along came a black bird and pecked off his nose,
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: We have two prospective England right backs you are never going to keep both unless you are in Europe and can give them good game time. That is the reality but this is now a fire sale and apparently with |Brenda interested in Jay now Remy has fallen through anything can happen. It is not the sales as much as the message it sends out to the football world NO AMBITION, NO STOMACH TO KEEP PLAYERS. Whether that id the truth or not I do not know but it is what has turned us into a laughing stock through football. You honestly think Morgan will want to stay now? We are so coy about spending the dosh and where are all these players just dying to come to Saints? Lambert was always going as was Shaw and I think that was agreed before he signed pro forms. There was a lot of talk then that a deal had already been done that he would be sold to MU at the end of the season. Lallana is a very good player but not great player same as Lovren and Chambers. We can actually get as good or better but you have to be prepared to spend the money and pick the right players to achieve that. We either have a board that believes this and sees this as the opportunity to build a good team a a stop gap for the next youngsters who are already pushing to get through. Alternatively we are run by a bunch of idiots I have not made my mind up yet jury is out until the season starts. Koeman was promised a transfer chest as well as all money from players. That chest was said to be anything form 20 mil to 50 well lets go with the twenty. add 23m, 27m 4m 20m and 16m is 110 million - 20 million for incoming players leaves 90 mil in the coffers. Will we spend it? I do not think KL is looking to sell she turned down several bids apparently, one of them by a consortium set up by Cortese before he left. But this could either turn into a major c*ck up or the best thing that has happened to Saints and at the moment I am not really sure what to think. We have so many really good players the future is not black, but it really needs some positive and good signings to make this work now.[/p][/quote]As usual Milton Road you make a lot of sense, the only bit I feel is the bit about ambition as Dejan Lovren said (although some may have been lost in translation) that Southampton has no ambition of course in truth no team that are not in the top six can really compete, the proof of the pudding is Saints, there is no team below us last year, can sustain the wages being paid by the top six, now that the fair play scam is in place. Ode to Les The king sat in his counting house, counting all his money when along came a black bird and pecked off his nose, Invidia
  • Score: 2

1:43pm Mon 28 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

What does make me laugh is all the posters on here who keep on slagging off other Saints fans for trying to be positive or just showing their concerns for the club they obviously love and keep calling for the board and owners to go etc etc.....but do nothing themselves??
Why have we not seen or heard about any of them outside St Mary's protesting or voicing their opinions to the club and local media etc.
They lambaste anyone with an inkling of positivity and constantly label them as "Happy Clappers" as a derogatory remark whilst preaching uprisings and demonstrations etc but do f@ck all themselves.
COYR FOADP
What does make me laugh is all the posters on here who keep on slagging off other Saints fans for trying to be positive or just showing their concerns for the club they obviously love and keep calling for the board and owners to go etc etc.....but do nothing themselves?? Why have we not seen or heard about any of them outside St Mary's protesting or voicing their opinions to the club and local media etc. They lambaste anyone with an inkling of positivity and constantly label them as "Happy Clappers" as a derogatory remark whilst preaching uprisings and demonstrations etc but do f@ck all themselves. COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: -1

1:44pm Mon 28 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Blackwaterblue wrote:
Just remember, just like us lot own the road used to be, you as a fan have no say in the running of your cub. But look on the bright side, you're in the Prem, a good stadium and loads of money to buy players! Not Bad!
Some people just don't know when they are well off. According to the BBC Sport we have sold 10 players already and yet we can still put out a team or two that put in a kind of a performance. Played 4 Won 4 Goals against 0.
Not very good quality opposition I admit but just a semblance of better things to come.
[quote][p][bold]Blackwaterblue[/bold] wrote: Just remember, just like us lot own the road used to be, you as a fan have no say in the running of your cub. But look on the bright side, you're in the Prem, a good stadium and loads of money to buy players! Not Bad![/p][/quote]Some people just don't know when they are well off. According to the BBC Sport we have sold 10 players already and yet we can still put out a team or two that put in a kind of a performance. Played 4 Won 4 Goals against 0. Not very good quality opposition I admit but just a semblance of better things to come. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

1:45pm Mon 28 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
So, do you really believe that, if we all **** and moan on here, the sales will stop?
If we act like all is well how are we going to convey our worries? Fans have bought season tickets, some on the strength of Les's promises in May, shouldn't they have the right to moan? I don't know if you are reading the FAN's posts, but the majority are more than little worried.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]So, do you really believe that, if we all **** and moan on here, the sales will stop?[/p][/quote]If we act like all is well how are we going to convey our worries? Fans have bought season tickets, some on the strength of Les's promises in May, shouldn't they have the right to moan? I don't know if you are reading the FAN's posts, but the majority are more than little worried. redandy10
  • Score: 3

1:45pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

6 Players down; possibly 1 or more to join them. Even if we get some classy players in, we will be doing well to avoid brushing up with the relegation threatened sides. The new players will have to gel very quickly to have the kind of start that will set us up to get the first 25 points quickly.

I cannot help asking; what is the current value of our club, players training ground and stadium. Are we worth more than Villa.
6 Players down; possibly 1 or more to join them. Even if we get some classy players in, we will be doing well to avoid brushing up with the relegation threatened sides. The new players will have to gel very quickly to have the kind of start that will set us up to get the first 25 points quickly. I cannot help asking; what is the current value of our club, players training ground and stadium. Are we worth more than Villa. Saints n Winners
  • Score: -1

1:48pm Mon 28 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Knackers wrote:
Morgan will go next to spurs.rodriguez has refused to sign the contract offered to him..koeman must have some very talented players ready to sign for us if he can afford to let players like corks contract run down to the final year.just cannot understand people on here saying this is good business.if we are bottom at Xmas do you think the same posters will think it was a good bit of business? Even if les starts to sign players they won't have time to gel.weak weak board.now every club will take us to the cleaners if we even try to buy one of their players.
Look at how lambert handled our little interest in vlaar,that's how it's done.ask yourself this question"do you really think saints will spend all the money they acquired through player sales?" Not a chance.
By the way where are all these players who were pleading to join us?
No vision no plan no idea
LES AND RALPH OUT
Knackered. Answer a few of your own points please.
If we are bottom at Xmas would it be better to be bottom with a team of lads want to play for Saints FC and still have lots of filthy luchre to play with or would it be better to have five or six international stars, crying off sick, refusing to play, undermining those who do and with not a penny in the bank for Katharina to count - Which for the benefit of our club and our fans is the better of those two options.
Will we spend all the money made in the sales?- hope not, it wouldn't be a bad idea to leave a hefty wedge for January. We have to remember also that a fair wedge has just been spent anyway though. The idea of an academy appeals if it happens - wonder how much that's going to take up. I would've signed when he approached me but I'm on a 3 pint contract to the British Legion over 60's and unlike some pros I'll stick to my contract
[quote][p][bold]Knackers[/bold] wrote: Morgan will go next to spurs.rodriguez has refused to sign the contract offered to him..koeman must have some very talented players ready to sign for us if he can afford to let players like corks contract run down to the final year.just cannot understand people on here saying this is good business.if we are bottom at Xmas do you think the same posters will think it was a good bit of business? Even if les starts to sign players they won't have time to gel.weak weak board.now every club will take us to the cleaners if we even try to buy one of their players. Look at how lambert handled our little interest in vlaar,that's how it's done.ask yourself this question"do you really think saints will spend all the money they acquired through player sales?" Not a chance. By the way where are all these players who were pleading to join us? No vision no plan no idea LES AND RALPH OUT[/p][/quote]Knackered. Answer a few of your own points please. If we are bottom at Xmas would it be better to be bottom with a team of lads want to play for Saints FC and still have lots of filthy luchre to play with or would it be better to have five or six international stars, crying off sick, refusing to play, undermining those who do and with not a penny in the bank for Katharina to count - Which for the benefit of our club and our fans is the better of those two options. Will we spend all the money made in the sales?- hope not, it wouldn't be a bad idea to leave a hefty wedge for January. We have to remember also that a fair wedge has just been spent anyway though. The idea of an academy appeals if it happens - wonder how much that's going to take up. I would've signed when he approached me but I'm on a 3 pint contract to the British Legion over 60's and unlike some pros I'll stick to my contract jls217
  • Score: 0

1:48pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Bazultra says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
To55ers calling for "Katharina Out" should realise that means she would SELL the club.... not all football fans are idiots, but those calling for her to go ARE.
Why is that then? We dont agree with you so now we are idiots. I believe we are being taken for a complete ride and im entitled to believe that. Lets look at the facts here. Since Cortese has gone every player is up for sale. Contracts are left almost until they expire and the board are saying we are not a selling club and nobody is for sale. What a load of tripe that was. All of you take off your rose tinted glasses. Dont come crying to me IF we end up back in league one!!!
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: To55ers calling for "Katharina Out" should realise that means she would SELL the club.... not all football fans are idiots, but those calling for her to go ARE.[/p][/quote]Why is that then? We dont agree with you so now we are idiots. I believe we are being taken for a complete ride and im entitled to believe that. Lets look at the facts here. Since Cortese has gone every player is up for sale. Contracts are left almost until they expire and the board are saying we are not a selling club and nobody is for sale. What a load of tripe that was. All of you take off your rose tinted glasses. Dont come crying to me IF we end up back in league one!!! Bazultra
  • Score: 0

1:48pm Mon 28 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
Baby talk now do as you are told, have you lost your dummy?
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

BORING!
There, there, now, temper, temper, time for your nap now, keep up the zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs there is a good little person.
Lol. STILL CAN'T HEAR YOU LITTLE FLY, BUZZ LOUDER!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]Baby talk now do as you are told, have you lost your dummy?[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BORING![/p][/quote]There, there, now, temper, temper, time for your nap now, keep up the zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs there is a good little person.[/p][/quote]Lol. STILL CAN'T HEAR YOU LITTLE FLY, BUZZ LOUDER! redandy10
  • Score: 1

1:51pm Mon 28 Jul 14

jls217 says...

SaintJD wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
To Whoever it may concern

Dear Sir
At the end of May I renewed my season ticket for the 2014/15 season I did this in the belief that the club would NOT sell its best players and was confident that Mr Reed was going to hold players to their contracts I believed this simply because he said so
It has since become obvious that this will not be the case and that we are a''selling''club and there is a''fire sale'' of our assets
As the club has miss-led me over this matter I believe that under trade description legislation I am entitled to return my ticket and obtain a full refund
I shall expect your response within 14 days after which I will contact trading standards

I have just sent this as an e-mail to SMS
While I understand your point and respect your right to ask for your money back, where, in the small print on a season ticket does it make written promises on recruitment and player sales, style of football, standard of pies etc?

Fully understand your frustration and I'm as fed up as anyone, but if your decision was dependent on these things I think maybe you should have waited before parting with your money.

True, you might not get the swagger and style of last season, but I don't think we'll be watching poor football next season - I've every confidence it will be exciting, involve attacking football and include some highs as well as lows.
Especially when Skiverpool bring their Saints team down to entertain us.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: To Whoever it may concern Dear Sir At the end of May I renewed my season ticket for the 2014/15 season I did this in the belief that the club would NOT sell its best players and was confident that Mr Reed was going to hold players to their contracts I believed this simply because he said so It has since become obvious that this will not be the case and that we are a''selling''club and there is a''fire sale'' of our assets As the club has miss-led me over this matter I believe that under trade description legislation I am entitled to return my ticket and obtain a full refund I shall expect your response within 14 days after which I will contact trading standards I have just sent this as an e-mail to SMS[/p][/quote]While I understand your point and respect your right to ask for your money back, where, in the small print on a season ticket does it make written promises on recruitment and player sales, style of football, standard of pies etc? Fully understand your frustration and I'm as fed up as anyone, but if your decision was dependent on these things I think maybe you should have waited before parting with your money. True, you might not get the swagger and style of last season, but I don't think we'll be watching poor football next season - I've every confidence it will be exciting, involve attacking football and include some highs as well as lows.[/p][/quote]Especially when Skiverpool bring their Saints team down to entertain us. jls217
  • Score: 1

1:51pm Mon 28 Jul 14

jls217 says...

SaintJD wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
To Whoever it may concern

Dear Sir
At the end of May I renewed my season ticket for the 2014/15 season I did this in the belief that the club would NOT sell its best players and was confident that Mr Reed was going to hold players to their contracts I believed this simply because he said so
It has since become obvious that this will not be the case and that we are a''selling''club and there is a''fire sale'' of our assets
As the club has miss-led me over this matter I believe that under trade description legislation I am entitled to return my ticket and obtain a full refund
I shall expect your response within 14 days after which I will contact trading standards

I have just sent this as an e-mail to SMS
While I understand your point and respect your right to ask for your money back, where, in the small print on a season ticket does it make written promises on recruitment and player sales, style of football, standard of pies etc?

Fully understand your frustration and I'm as fed up as anyone, but if your decision was dependent on these things I think maybe you should have waited before parting with your money.

True, you might not get the swagger and style of last season, but I don't think we'll be watching poor football next season - I've every confidence it will be exciting, involve attacking football and include some highs as well as lows.
Especially when Skiverpool bring their Saints team down to entertain us.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: To Whoever it may concern Dear Sir At the end of May I renewed my season ticket for the 2014/15 season I did this in the belief that the club would NOT sell its best players and was confident that Mr Reed was going to hold players to their contracts I believed this simply because he said so It has since become obvious that this will not be the case and that we are a''selling''club and there is a''fire sale'' of our assets As the club has miss-led me over this matter I believe that under trade description legislation I am entitled to return my ticket and obtain a full refund I shall expect your response within 14 days after which I will contact trading standards I have just sent this as an e-mail to SMS[/p][/quote]While I understand your point and respect your right to ask for your money back, where, in the small print on a season ticket does it make written promises on recruitment and player sales, style of football, standard of pies etc? Fully understand your frustration and I'm as fed up as anyone, but if your decision was dependent on these things I think maybe you should have waited before parting with your money. True, you might not get the swagger and style of last season, but I don't think we'll be watching poor football next season - I've every confidence it will be exciting, involve attacking football and include some highs as well as lows.[/p][/quote]Especially when Skiverpool bring their Saints team down to entertain us. jls217
  • Score: 1

1:51pm Mon 28 Jul 14

cotswoldsaint says...

Gamble, Arsene? You're 'avin a larf! The real gamble is investing money and time nurturing and developing young players, only for the vultures in the so-called "big" clubs to come swooping in for them the moment they show any potential. Some may claim that the size of the fee paid means the gamble has paid off but IMO that's a very short-term view that is a difficult argument to sustain unless all the money is reinvested in at least equal or better, which seems highly unlikely at the moment.
Gamble, Arsene? You're 'avin a larf! The real gamble is investing money and time nurturing and developing young players, only for the vultures in the so-called "big" clubs to come swooping in for them the moment they show any potential. Some may claim that the size of the fee paid means the gamble has paid off but IMO that's a very short-term view that is a difficult argument to sustain unless all the money is reinvested in at least equal or better, which seems highly unlikely at the moment. cotswoldsaint
  • Score: 4

1:52pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
So, do you really believe that, if we all **** and moan on here, the sales will stop?
If we act like all is well how are we going to convey our worries? Fans have bought season tickets, some on the strength of Les's promises in May, shouldn't they have the right to moan? I don't know if you are reading the FAN's posts, but the majority are more than little worried.
That doesn't actually answer the question, does it?
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]So, do you really believe that, if we all **** and moan on here, the sales will stop?[/p][/quote]If we act like all is well how are we going to convey our worries? Fans have bought season tickets, some on the strength of Les's promises in May, shouldn't they have the right to moan? I don't know if you are reading the FAN's posts, but the majority are more than little worried.[/p][/quote]That doesn't actually answer the question, does it? Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

1:53pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Alicesdad says...

Sooner or later Eastleigh are going to suffer the same fate as Saints.. The rich clubs will come in and plunder their players ....

In fact Eastleigh are clearly on the up, promted last season and with ground expansion underway, they are within two seasons of being in a higher league than the other team that plays in blue.

Eastleigh are owned ny a committed millionaire, so is the other blue club. The difference is that the deluded fans of the other club think they own it.. when in fact its actually owned by around three rich little men looking to make a profit .. with thousands of gullible flag wavers who all paid for a share certificate and think they have an asset. Its a bit like those adverts that sell you an acre of land on the moon. All very well until you try to sell it .. or for those with ambition, try to build on it...

WHATS THIS GOT TO DO WITH ANYTHING? I don't know, I just wanted to join in...
Sooner or later Eastleigh are going to suffer the same fate as Saints.. The rich clubs will come in and plunder their players .... In fact Eastleigh are clearly on the up, promted last season and with ground expansion underway, they are within two seasons of being in a higher league than the other team that plays in blue. Eastleigh are owned ny a committed millionaire, so is the other blue club. The difference is that the deluded fans of the other club think they own it.. when in fact its actually owned by around three rich little men looking to make a profit .. with thousands of gullible flag wavers who all paid for a share certificate and think they have an asset. Its a bit like those adverts that sell you an acre of land on the moon. All very well until you try to sell it .. or for those with ambition, try to build on it... WHATS THIS GOT TO DO WITH ANYTHING? I don't know, I just wanted to join in... Alicesdad
  • Score: 2

1:55pm Mon 28 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
Baby talk now do as you are told, have you lost your dummy?
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

BORING!
There, there, now, temper, temper, time for your nap now, keep up the zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs there is a good little person.
Lol. STILL CAN'T HEAR YOU LITTLE FLY, BUZZ LOUDER!
If you are a neggie and you know it, clap your hands,
If you're neggie and you know it, clap your hands,
If you're a neggie and you know it and you really want to show it,
and really are a neggie clap your hands.
Creche closes at 2 pm.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]Baby talk now do as you are told, have you lost your dummy?[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BORING![/p][/quote]There, there, now, temper, temper, time for your nap now, keep up the zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs there is a good little person.[/p][/quote]Lol. STILL CAN'T HEAR YOU LITTLE FLY, BUZZ LOUDER![/p][/quote]If you are a neggie and you know it, clap your hands, If you're neggie and you know it, clap your hands, If you're a neggie and you know it and you really want to show it, and really are a neggie clap your hands. Creche closes at 2 pm. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

1:57pm Mon 28 Jul 14

jls217 says...

SaintJD wrote:
the cowman wrote:
All the hysteria needs to stop. Firstly personal insults against the daughter of the man that saved the Saints are totally out of order and the Echo should be ashamed of themselves for not removing these sooner.
Let's just wait and see what players we bring in and how they perform.
In modern football cash is king, that's why our players are leaving as Tony from Liberia stated in his posting on the original Chambers article.
Once the dust has settled either the so called happy clappers or the veggie neggies are going to be left with egg on their faces. We are either going to go into the season with a bunch of kids, or the current squad will be bolstered by some exiting new additions. I believe it will be the latter. If the club was going to be sold then the time to do it would have been at the end of last season. Finally Cortese did a great job, but its easy when you are spending someone else's money, ihe did not want his wings clipped and so he left. The Club is bigger than any one individual, real supporters support the club through thick and thin, not just because someone who held the stewardship for a short time promised Champions league Football. Now more than ever is the time to get behind our club and stop the in fighting, there was enough of that in the dark days of Rupert Lowe.
Nobody is going to be left with egg on their faces bar people who are insulting KL and going overboard generally. Remaining positive is a good trait and so is being realistic.

Having given Les and RK the benefit of the doubt I've become frustrated with their management of this situation and that hasn't stopped. I've criticised them and I will stand by that criticism because, even if we sign brilliantly, I still think it's been handled very badly and without a firm plan in place. Koeman has admitted that we won't go for players until we've seen if others are leaving, so the idea that we have a pre-determined master plan is not true.

Doesn't mean we can't spend wisely, but I need to see action before I'll judge Les or RK fully. They asked to be judged on action and that's only fair. At the moment it doesn't look good, but we'll see.

Cut the veggie neggies and happy clapper talk. While you claim to be calling people to unite you are polarising people into stereotypical 'camps', which is unhelpful.

But one thing is for sure, we cannot afford to react badly to this situation on match days.

Saints fans must take a siege mentality like we did when Nigel was sacked and focus our attention on the press, pundits and former players rather than firing on our club.

Any vocal protests, calls of 'you don't know what you're doing' or booing of new players if they don't settle immediately is unthinkable and only serves to guarantee we'll struggle.

It's amazing what can be achieved if the atmosphere at a club is right.

OK, we aren't going to have the ideal, stable, confident environment we hoped we'd maintain, but if we gear up to fight together as a club against popular opinion we can come out of this strong.

Saints tend to be good when we have our backs to the wall, so who knows.
I wonder if the wish list drafted under Pinchatinny survived Rambos rubbish bin. I doubt it and Rambo most certainly would have he decides not some list belonging to an ex manager.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the cowman[/bold] wrote: All the hysteria needs to stop. Firstly personal insults against the daughter of the man that saved the Saints are totally out of order and the Echo should be ashamed of themselves for not removing these sooner. Let's just wait and see what players we bring in and how they perform. In modern football cash is king, that's why our players are leaving as Tony from Liberia stated in his posting on the original Chambers article. Once the dust has settled either the so called happy clappers or the veggie neggies are going to be left with egg on their faces. We are either going to go into the season with a bunch of kids, or the current squad will be bolstered by some exiting new additions. I believe it will be the latter. If the club was going to be sold then the time to do it would have been at the end of last season. Finally Cortese did a great job, but its easy when you are spending someone else's money, ihe did not want his wings clipped and so he left. The Club is bigger than any one individual, real supporters support the club through thick and thin, not just because someone who held the stewardship for a short time promised Champions league Football. Now more than ever is the time to get behind our club and stop the in fighting, there was enough of that in the dark days of Rupert Lowe.[/p][/quote]Nobody is going to be left with egg on their faces bar people who are insulting KL and going overboard generally. Remaining positive is a good trait and so is being realistic. Having given Les and RK the benefit of the doubt I've become frustrated with their management of this situation and that hasn't stopped. I've criticised them and I will stand by that criticism because, even if we sign brilliantly, I still think it's been handled very badly and without a firm plan in place. Koeman has admitted that we won't go for players until we've seen if others are leaving, so the idea that we have a pre-determined master plan is not true. Doesn't mean we can't spend wisely, but I need to see action before I'll judge Les or RK fully. They asked to be judged on action and that's only fair. At the moment it doesn't look good, but we'll see. Cut the veggie neggies and happy clapper talk. While you claim to be calling people to unite you are polarising people into stereotypical 'camps', which is unhelpful. But one thing is for sure, we cannot afford to react badly to this situation on match days. Saints fans must take a siege mentality like we did when Nigel was sacked and focus our attention on the press, pundits and former players rather than firing on our club. Any vocal protests, calls of 'you don't know what you're doing' or booing of new players if they don't settle immediately is unthinkable and only serves to guarantee we'll struggle. It's amazing what can be achieved if the atmosphere at a club is right. OK, we aren't going to have the ideal, stable, confident environment we hoped we'd maintain, but if we gear up to fight together as a club against popular opinion we can come out of this strong. Saints tend to be good when we have our backs to the wall, so who knows.[/p][/quote]I wonder if the wish list drafted under Pinchatinny survived Rambos rubbish bin. I doubt it and Rambo most certainly would have he decides not some list belonging to an ex manager. jls217
  • Score: 0

1:58pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Bazultra says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
To55ers calling for "Katharina Out" should realise that means she would SELL the club.... not all football fans are idiots, but those calling for her to go ARE.
Who cares maybe she will sell it to someone who does!
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: To55ers calling for "Katharina Out" should realise that means she would SELL the club.... not all football fans are idiots, but those calling for her to go ARE.[/p][/quote]Who cares maybe she will sell it to someone who does! Bazultra
  • Score: 1

1:58pm Mon 28 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Sooner or later Eastleigh are going to suffer the same fate as Saints.. The rich clubs will come in and plunder their players ....

In fact Eastleigh are clearly on the up, promted last season and with ground expansion underway, they are within two seasons of being in a higher league than the other team that plays in blue.

Eastleigh are owned ny a committed millionaire, so is the other blue club. The difference is that the deluded fans of the other club think they own it.. when in fact its actually owned by around three rich little men looking to make a profit .. with thousands of gullible flag wavers who all paid for a share certificate and think they have an asset. Its a bit like those adverts that sell you an acre of land on the moon. All very well until you try to sell it .. or for those with ambition, try to build on it...

WHATS THIS GOT TO DO WITH ANYTHING? I don't know, I just wanted to join in...
Have you found out what is happening yet, let us know when you do, it would be a great help. Thank You in advance.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Sooner or later Eastleigh are going to suffer the same fate as Saints.. The rich clubs will come in and plunder their players .... In fact Eastleigh are clearly on the up, promted last season and with ground expansion underway, they are within two seasons of being in a higher league than the other team that plays in blue. Eastleigh are owned ny a committed millionaire, so is the other blue club. The difference is that the deluded fans of the other club think they own it.. when in fact its actually owned by around three rich little men looking to make a profit .. with thousands of gullible flag wavers who all paid for a share certificate and think they have an asset. Its a bit like those adverts that sell you an acre of land on the moon. All very well until you try to sell it .. or for those with ambition, try to build on it... WHATS THIS GOT TO DO WITH ANYTHING? I don't know, I just wanted to join in...[/p][/quote]Have you found out what is happening yet, let us know when you do, it would be a great help. Thank You in advance. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

1:59pm Mon 28 Jul 14

xilos1 says...

COYRlukeCOYR wrote:
Fact is .. We are selling our best players and replacing them with **** ones. If this cb from Celtic is meant to be lovrens replacement i will literally have a mental breakdown. The **** SPL ? I mean come on now. Kathrina is a ruthless **** and I hope she does sale sell, **** tyrant. Its clear we aren't pushing on next season, its clear that the board are up for selling every decent player we possess. You can all stay as positive as you want but at the end of the day we are going backwards and that fat cow is reaping in all that money that she already has.. Being a billionaire and what not. Why sell a player for 20 and sign one for 10, logic??? No.. There ain't no ambition and I find it disgusting how much the board have lied. Very, very angry saints fan. Infuriating.
Idiot.
[quote][p][bold]COYRlukeCOYR[/bold] wrote: Fact is .. We are selling our best players and replacing them with **** ones. If this cb from Celtic is meant to be lovrens replacement i will literally have a mental breakdown. The **** SPL ? I mean come on now. Kathrina is a ruthless **** and I hope she does sale sell, **** tyrant. Its clear we aren't pushing on next season, its clear that the board are up for selling every decent player we possess. You can all stay as positive as you want but at the end of the day we are going backwards and that fat cow is reaping in all that money that she already has.. Being a billionaire and what not. Why sell a player for 20 and sign one for 10, logic??? No.. There ain't no ambition and I find it disgusting how much the board have lied. Very, very angry saints fan. Infuriating.[/p][/quote]Idiot. xilos1
  • Score: 1

2:00pm Mon 28 Jul 14

jls217 says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
SHOULD US FANS BE DEMANDING KRUEGAR OUT???? He has done little to justify his position!
That's right and when you find him you tell him so. Justify or go has a certain ring to it donechafink?
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: SHOULD US FANS BE DEMANDING KRUEGAR OUT???? He has done little to justify his position![/p][/quote]That's right and when you find him you tell him so. Justify or go has a certain ring to it donechafink? jls217
  • Score: 1

2:01pm Mon 28 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Bazultra wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
To55ers calling for "Katharina Out" should realise that means she would SELL the club.... not all football fans are idiots, but those calling for her to go ARE.
Who cares maybe she will sell it to someone who does!
I am sure there is half skint gun-running Arab out there that wants a toy to play with, we just have to find one that is gullible enough to take us on. There are risks with that but neggies wouldn't see it that way.
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: To55ers calling for "Katharina Out" should realise that means she would SELL the club.... not all football fans are idiots, but those calling for her to go ARE.[/p][/quote]Who cares maybe she will sell it to someone who does![/p][/quote]I am sure there is half skint gun-running Arab out there that wants a toy to play with, we just have to find one that is gullible enough to take us on. There are risks with that but neggies wouldn't see it that way. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

2:03pm Mon 28 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

InsideOutCat wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.
KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess.

As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year!
[quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.[/p][/quote]KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess. As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year! redandy10
  • Score: -1

2:03pm Mon 28 Jul 14

SaintMax says...

Hopefully RK's joke tweet with an empty training ground was just a joke, and not him airing his discontent. I am trying to remain +ve but I wouldn't put it passed him walking away. Only the Man Citys and Liverpools can 'buy' success, and if we keep selling players we will have to buy the best part of a new team.
I would be surprised if RK came here 4 - 5 weeks ago saw enough from his players to say its OK, sell your top 6 players and we will still be OK.
Hopefully RK's joke tweet with an empty training ground was just a joke, and not him airing his discontent. I am trying to remain +ve but I wouldn't put it passed him walking away. Only the Man Citys and Liverpools can 'buy' success, and if we keep selling players we will have to buy the best part of a new team. I would be surprised if RK came here 4 - 5 weeks ago saw enough from his players to say its OK, sell your top 6 players and we will still be OK. SaintMax
  • Score: 0

2:09pm Mon 28 Jul 14

saintmary says...

saintstu downunder wrote:
Chambers is an excellent young player, but to get 18m for him is incredible.

I'd like to add that, unlike the doom-mongers out there, I feel really excited about the season ahead. We've got an exceptional, young squad, a positive and good-football-playin

g manager and a shedload of cash to invest in some fresh blood.

To those berating the owners for the supposed 'fire-sale', remember that a few years ago we almost had no club to support. The Liebherrs can do little wrong in my mind, and, SRL aside, the recent major sales have been either forced on them/us (Lallana, Lovren) or have been where we've been able to make a major return on investment (Shaw, Chambers).

In all previous sales this season we've either had quality in the squad to come in (Targett, Clyne) or signed exciting replacements (Tadic, Pelle). I'm looking forward to a equal-or-better-than

-Lovren centre half to be signed in the coming days, and then an investment of some of the transfer money in a few more top quality players.

Keep the faith...

Up the Saints!
I do not understand why we have a academy just to sell on players? What is the point of investing and bringing them for a very brief moment into the team? Should they not be made to understand we want some longer return before we consider selling them on so soon

We are now selling on english players who are replaced by all nations. Will the young english players then go to these big clubs to sit on the bench? At least we can play them and bring them onto the england team which lets face it is a laughing stock.
[quote][p][bold]saintstu downunder[/bold] wrote: Chambers is an excellent young player, but to get 18m for him is incredible. I'd like to add that, unlike the doom-mongers out there, I feel really excited about the season ahead. We've got an exceptional, young squad, a positive and good-football-playin g manager and a shedload of cash to invest in some fresh blood. To those berating the owners for the supposed 'fire-sale', remember that a few years ago we almost had no club to support. The Liebherrs can do little wrong in my mind, and, SRL aside, the recent major sales have been either forced on them/us (Lallana, Lovren) or have been where we've been able to make a major return on investment (Shaw, Chambers). In all previous sales this season we've either had quality in the squad to come in (Targett, Clyne) or signed exciting replacements (Tadic, Pelle). I'm looking forward to a equal-or-better-than -Lovren centre half to be signed in the coming days, and then an investment of some of the transfer money in a few more top quality players. Keep the faith... Up the Saints![/p][/quote]I do not understand why we have a academy just to sell on players? What is the point of investing and bringing them for a very brief moment into the team? Should they not be made to understand we want some longer return before we consider selling them on so soon We are now selling on english players who are replaced by all nations. Will the young english players then go to these big clubs to sit on the bench? At least we can play them and bring them onto the england team which lets face it is a laughing stock. saintmary
  • Score: 1

2:11pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Knackers says...

jls217 wrote:
Knackers wrote:
Morgan will go next to spurs.rodriguez has refused to sign the contract offered to him..koeman must have some very talented players ready to sign for us if he can afford to let players like corks contract run down to the final year.just cannot understand people on here saying this is good business.if we are bottom at Xmas do you think the same posters will think it was a good bit of business? Even if les starts to sign players they won't have time to gel.weak weak board.now every club will take us to the cleaners if we even try to buy one of their players.
Look at how lambert handled our little interest in vlaar,that's how it's done.ask yourself this question"do you really think saints will spend all the money they acquired through player sales?" Not a chance.
By the way where are all these players who were pleading to join us?
No vision no plan no idea
LES AND RALPH OUT
Knackered. Answer a few of your own points please.
If we are bottom at Xmas would it be better to be bottom with a team of lads want to play for Saints FC and still have lots of filthy luchre to play with or would it be better to have five or six international stars, crying off sick, refusing to play, undermining those who do and with not a penny in the bank for Katharina to count - Which for the benefit of our club and our fans is the better of those two options.
Will we spend all the money made in the sales?- hope not, it wouldn't be a bad idea to leave a hefty wedge for January. We have to remember also that a fair wedge has just been spent anyway though. The idea of an academy appeals if it happens - wonder how much that's going to take up. I would've signed when he approached me but I'm on a 3 pint contract to the British Legion over 60's and unlike some pros I'll stick to my contract
You have to be les reed,you just have to be.
Money left over for January? When are you going to realise what's happening?
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Knackers[/bold] wrote: Morgan will go next to spurs.rodriguez has refused to sign the contract offered to him..koeman must have some very talented players ready to sign for us if he can afford to let players like corks contract run down to the final year.just cannot understand people on here saying this is good business.if we are bottom at Xmas do you think the same posters will think it was a good bit of business? Even if les starts to sign players they won't have time to gel.weak weak board.now every club will take us to the cleaners if we even try to buy one of their players. Look at how lambert handled our little interest in vlaar,that's how it's done.ask yourself this question"do you really think saints will spend all the money they acquired through player sales?" Not a chance. By the way where are all these players who were pleading to join us? No vision no plan no idea LES AND RALPH OUT[/p][/quote]Knackered. Answer a few of your own points please. If we are bottom at Xmas would it be better to be bottom with a team of lads want to play for Saints FC and still have lots of filthy luchre to play with or would it be better to have five or six international stars, crying off sick, refusing to play, undermining those who do and with not a penny in the bank for Katharina to count - Which for the benefit of our club and our fans is the better of those two options. Will we spend all the money made in the sales?- hope not, it wouldn't be a bad idea to leave a hefty wedge for January. We have to remember also that a fair wedge has just been spent anyway though. The idea of an academy appeals if it happens - wonder how much that's going to take up. I would've signed when he approached me but I'm on a 3 pint contract to the British Legion over 60's and unlike some pros I'll stick to my contract[/p][/quote]You have to be les reed,you just have to be. Money left over for January? When are you going to realise what's happening? Knackers
  • Score: -1

2:13pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Numpty Girl says...

redandy10 wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.
KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess.

As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year!
Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.[/p][/quote]KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess. As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year![/p][/quote]Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints. Numpty Girl
  • Score: -2

2:14pm Mon 28 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
So, do you really believe that, if we all **** and moan on here, the sales will stop?
If we act like all is well how are we going to convey our worries? Fans have bought season tickets, some on the strength of Les's promises in May, shouldn't they have the right to moan? I don't know if you are reading the FAN's posts, but the majority are more than little worried.
That doesn't actually answer the question, does it?
Well it might Rising! Now answer my question, do you think it's better to come on a forum and act like all is ok? Is that better than voicing your displeasure in the biggest public forum for Saints fans. And another question for you, as paying punters, don't we have a right to moan if we don't like what's going on? You and the rest of the clappers spend your time moaning about other posters, but we the fans can't moan when our club keeps rolling over for the big clubs.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]So, do you really believe that, if we all **** and moan on here, the sales will stop?[/p][/quote]If we act like all is well how are we going to convey our worries? Fans have bought season tickets, some on the strength of Les's promises in May, shouldn't they have the right to moan? I don't know if you are reading the FAN's posts, but the majority are more than little worried.[/p][/quote]That doesn't actually answer the question, does it?[/p][/quote]Well it might Rising! Now answer my question, do you think it's better to come on a forum and act like all is ok? Is that better than voicing your displeasure in the biggest public forum for Saints fans. And another question for you, as paying punters, don't we have a right to moan if we don't like what's going on? You and the rest of the clappers spend your time moaning about other posters, but we the fans can't moan when our club keeps rolling over for the big clubs. redandy10
  • Score: 2

2:16pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Confucious says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Fellow fans,

In the interest of discovering our general sentiment, would you please take the following one-question poll that I have created:

http://vote.pollcode

.com/49543424#sthash

.OhmGuQ7b.dpuf

Thank you.
Before doing so, please take the poll on Confucious.com/sport
s, which asks whether you think it is right or not to take the above poll.
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: Fellow fans, In the interest of discovering our general sentiment, would you please take the following one-question poll that I have created: http://vote.pollcode .com/49543424#sthash .OhmGuQ7b.dpuf Thank you.[/p][/quote]Before doing so, please take the poll on Confucious.com/sport s, which asks whether you think it is right or not to take the above poll. Confucious
  • Score: 1

2:17pm Mon 28 Jul 14

jls217 says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
What does make me laugh is all the posters on here who keep on slagging off other Saints fans for trying to be positive or just showing their concerns for the club they obviously love and keep calling for the board and owners to go etc etc.....but do nothing themselves??
Why have we not seen or heard about any of them outside St Mary's protesting or voicing their opinions to the club and local media etc.
They lambaste anyone with an inkling of positivity and constantly label them as "Happy Clappers" as a derogatory remark whilst preaching uprisings and demonstrations etc but do f@ck all themselves.
COYR FOADP
They're going mate defo - gonna call in for some white lightning first and go down the sports and soc to meet the lads have a couple of ciders and decided hu does wot - we'll show 'er. Just not sure wot we'll show 'er but she'll know she's bin shown awright. Bloody ell, just go' a text sayin' she ain't a' 'ome. She's buggered off to Switzerland or sunnink, spect the bus driver'll which stop to ge' off for that won't 'e. We'll nip inter the chippy for a nice saveloy, frow a couple down our necks, 'ave to stop in at a bookies somewhere down in Switcherwotsit and then we'll bloody show 'er. hu is she anyway, I only know she's called Karatiner or sunnink - bloody foreigners - they'd better start learnin' hu their betters are or me and the lads'll be dahn to showem - defo. Couldn't spare us a bob or two kudja 7?
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: What does make me laugh is all the posters on here who keep on slagging off other Saints fans for trying to be positive or just showing their concerns for the club they obviously love and keep calling for the board and owners to go etc etc.....but do nothing themselves?? Why have we not seen or heard about any of them outside St Mary's protesting or voicing their opinions to the club and local media etc. They lambaste anyone with an inkling of positivity and constantly label them as "Happy Clappers" as a derogatory remark whilst preaching uprisings and demonstrations etc but do f@ck all themselves. COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]They're going mate defo - gonna call in for some white lightning first and go down the sports and soc to meet the lads have a couple of ciders and decided hu does wot - we'll show 'er. Just not sure wot we'll show 'er but she'll know she's bin shown awright. Bloody ell, just go' a text sayin' she ain't a' 'ome. She's buggered off to Switzerland or sunnink, spect the bus driver'll which stop to ge' off for that won't 'e. We'll nip inter the chippy for a nice saveloy, frow a couple down our necks, 'ave to stop in at a bookies somewhere down in Switcherwotsit and then we'll bloody show 'er. hu is she anyway, I only know she's called Karatiner or sunnink - bloody foreigners - they'd better start learnin' hu their betters are or me and the lads'll be dahn to showem - defo. Couldn't spare us a bob or two kudja 7? jls217
  • Score: 0

2:20pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Knackers says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
What does make me laugh is all the posters on here who keep on slagging off other Saints fans for trying to be positive or just showing their concerns for the club they obviously love and keep calling for the board and owners to go etc etc.....but do nothing themselves??
Why have we not seen or heard about any of them outside St Mary's protesting or voicing their opinions to the club and local media etc.
They lambaste anyone with an inkling of positivity and constantly label them as "Happy Clappers" as a derogatory remark whilst preaching uprisings and demonstrations etc but do f@ck all themselves.
COYR FOADP
You forget j7 that people came on here to air their concerns and get some debate going about the direction the board were taking,only to be attacked and called wums and skates.there are a number of regular posters who think they own this site and they will back each other up and call people names.a number of posters are sick of being told they are wrong and everything is rosy and we are in safe hands,so "the regulars" are just going to have to cop it sweet.
By the way where is heiligen she's been quiet lately.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: What does make me laugh is all the posters on here who keep on slagging off other Saints fans for trying to be positive or just showing their concerns for the club they obviously love and keep calling for the board and owners to go etc etc.....but do nothing themselves?? Why have we not seen or heard about any of them outside St Mary's protesting or voicing their opinions to the club and local media etc. They lambaste anyone with an inkling of positivity and constantly label them as "Happy Clappers" as a derogatory remark whilst preaching uprisings and demonstrations etc but do f@ck all themselves. COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]You forget j7 that people came on here to air their concerns and get some debate going about the direction the board were taking,only to be attacked and called wums and skates.there are a number of regular posters who think they own this site and they will back each other up and call people names.a number of posters are sick of being told they are wrong and everything is rosy and we are in safe hands,so "the regulars" are just going to have to cop it sweet. By the way where is heiligen she's been quiet lately. Knackers
  • Score: 2

2:23pm Mon 28 Jul 14

the cowman says...

redandy10 wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.
KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess.

As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year!
So its KL's fault that she wanted to stop someone else spending her money without having some input. As I have said before NC did a great job while he was here, but KL was simply not prepared to leave him with a blank cheque. I doubt if anyone on here would, no matter how loyal a supporter they claim to be. her family have wealth beyond our wildest dreams, that does not mean that she is going to be reckless.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.[/p][/quote]KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess. As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year![/p][/quote]So its KL's fault that she wanted to stop someone else spending her money without having some input. As I have said before NC did a great job while he was here, but KL was simply not prepared to leave him with a blank cheque. I doubt if anyone on here would, no matter how loyal a supporter they claim to be. her family have wealth beyond our wildest dreams, that does not mean that she is going to be reckless. the cowman
  • Score: 1

2:23pm Mon 28 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.
KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess.

As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year!
Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.
Exactly!

I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves.

As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention.
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.[/p][/quote]KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess. As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year![/p][/quote]Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.[/p][/quote]Exactly! I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves. As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention. redandy10
  • Score: 1

2:28pm Mon 28 Jul 14

jls217 says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
So, do you really believe that, if we all **** and moan on here, the sales will stop?
If we act like all is well how are we going to convey our worries? Fans have bought season tickets, some on the strength of Les's promises in May, shouldn't they have the right to moan? I don't know if you are reading the FAN's posts, but the majority are more than little worried.
That doesn't actually answer the question, does it?
Well it might Rising! Now answer my question, do you think it's better to come on a forum and act like all is ok? Is that better than voicing your displeasure in the biggest public forum for Saints fans. And another question for you, as paying punters, don't we have a right to moan if we don't like what's going on? You and the rest of the clappers spend your time moaning about other posters, but we the fans can't moan when our club keeps rolling over for the big clubs.
Not sure too many would complain about people moaning - does you good to have a good moan from time to time.
It would be nice if the moaners were to back up their moans with evidence and to think their gripes through and take perspective now and again. Some are on ere just fishing and looking for a chance to be a WUM. Others are skates, scousers looking to cause grief. Others are just trolls. And some do have valid and well thought out gripes which if worded right others on here might have a logical answer/reason for it, be able to point them in the right direction as to where to find the real info or invite them to consider a few points maybe they have missed.
Clearly everything is not okay at Saints and maybe hasn't been for a while. Some of the moaners on here have given me food for thought as to why it might be but I doubt we'll ever know. Please keep moaning if you want to - I would if I thought it would help.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]So, do you really believe that, if we all **** and moan on here, the sales will stop?[/p][/quote]If we act like all is well how are we going to convey our worries? Fans have bought season tickets, some on the strength of Les's promises in May, shouldn't they have the right to moan? I don't know if you are reading the FAN's posts, but the majority are more than little worried.[/p][/quote]That doesn't actually answer the question, does it?[/p][/quote]Well it might Rising! Now answer my question, do you think it's better to come on a forum and act like all is ok? Is that better than voicing your displeasure in the biggest public forum for Saints fans. And another question for you, as paying punters, don't we have a right to moan if we don't like what's going on? You and the rest of the clappers spend your time moaning about other posters, but we the fans can't moan when our club keeps rolling over for the big clubs.[/p][/quote]Not sure too many would complain about people moaning - does you good to have a good moan from time to time. It would be nice if the moaners were to back up their moans with evidence and to think their gripes through and take perspective now and again. Some are on ere just fishing and looking for a chance to be a WUM. Others are skates, scousers looking to cause grief. Others are just trolls. And some do have valid and well thought out gripes which if worded right others on here might have a logical answer/reason for it, be able to point them in the right direction as to where to find the real info or invite them to consider a few points maybe they have missed. Clearly everything is not okay at Saints and maybe hasn't been for a while. Some of the moaners on here have given me food for thought as to why it might be but I doubt we'll ever know. Please keep moaning if you want to - I would if I thought it would help. jls217
  • Score: 1

2:28pm Mon 28 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

the cowman wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.
KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess.

As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year!
So its KL's fault that she wanted to stop someone else spending her money without having some input. As I have said before NC did a great job while he was here, but KL was simply not prepared to leave him with a blank cheque. I doubt if anyone on here would, no matter how loyal a supporter they claim to be. her family have wealth beyond our wildest dreams, that does not mean that she is going to be reckless.
I very valid point!

But why pull the plug when we were on the outskirts of European football. This would have brought increased revenue, pulling power in the transfer market and a big achievement for the club.

You are totally right when you say it's her money she should decide how much is spent, but why allow NC to spend spend spend and then just when it looks like the returns are coming, pull the plug.

Once he went the domino effect was always on the cards.
[quote][p][bold]the cowman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.[/p][/quote]KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess. As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year![/p][/quote]So its KL's fault that she wanted to stop someone else spending her money without having some input. As I have said before NC did a great job while he was here, but KL was simply not prepared to leave him with a blank cheque. I doubt if anyone on here would, no matter how loyal a supporter they claim to be. her family have wealth beyond our wildest dreams, that does not mean that she is going to be reckless.[/p][/quote]I very valid point! But why pull the plug when we were on the outskirts of European football. This would have brought increased revenue, pulling power in the transfer market and a big achievement for the club. You are totally right when you say it's her money she should decide how much is spent, but why allow NC to spend spend spend and then just when it looks like the returns are coming, pull the plug. Once he went the domino effect was always on the cards. redandy10
  • Score: 0

2:29pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
So, do you really believe that, if we all **** and moan on here, the sales will stop?
If we act like all is well how are we going to convey our worries? Fans have bought season tickets, some on the strength of Les's promises in May, shouldn't they have the right to moan? I don't know if you are reading the FAN's posts, but the majority are more than little worried.
That doesn't actually answer the question, does it?
Well it might Rising! Now answer my question, do you think it's better to come on a forum and act like all is ok? Is that better than voicing your displeasure in the biggest public forum for Saints fans. And another question for you, as paying punters, don't we have a right to moan if we don't like what's going on? You and the rest of the clappers spend your time moaning about other posters, but we the fans can't moan when our club keeps rolling over for the big clubs.
I believe that people should be able to write what they like and object to what they don't like. I think they have the right to challenge each other and request evidence for people's statements. I'm not in favour of people insulting each other. Apart from very occasional lapses, I think I've managed to keep to those principles.

Now, how about answering my question?
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]So, do you really believe that, if we all **** and moan on here, the sales will stop?[/p][/quote]If we act like all is well how are we going to convey our worries? Fans have bought season tickets, some on the strength of Les's promises in May, shouldn't they have the right to moan? I don't know if you are reading the FAN's posts, but the majority are more than little worried.[/p][/quote]That doesn't actually answer the question, does it?[/p][/quote]Well it might Rising! Now answer my question, do you think it's better to come on a forum and act like all is ok? Is that better than voicing your displeasure in the biggest public forum for Saints fans. And another question for you, as paying punters, don't we have a right to moan if we don't like what's going on? You and the rest of the clappers spend your time moaning about other posters, but we the fans can't moan when our club keeps rolling over for the big clubs.[/p][/quote]I believe that people should be able to write what they like and object to what they don't like. I think they have the right to challenge each other and request evidence for people's statements. I'm not in favour of people insulting each other. Apart from very occasional lapses, I think I've managed to keep to those principles. Now, how about answering my question? Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

2:29pm Mon 28 Jul 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

Fellow fans,

In the interest of discovering our general sentiment, would you please take the following one-question poll that I have created:

http://vote.pollcode


.com/49543424#sthash


.OhmGuQ7b.dpuf

Thank you to those fans who have taken the poll already.
Fellow fans, In the interest of discovering our general sentiment, would you please take the following one-question poll that I have created: http://vote.pollcode .com/49543424#sthash .OhmGuQ7b.dpuf Thank you to those fans who have taken the poll already. BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: -1

2:31pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.
KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess.

As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year!
Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.
Exactly!

I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves.

As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention.
I see you you still resort to victimhood.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.[/p][/quote]KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess. As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year![/p][/quote]Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.[/p][/quote]Exactly! I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves. As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention.[/p][/quote]I see you you still resort to victimhood. Rising_Son
  • Score: -1

2:33pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Alicesdad says...

The club is definitley doomed, or maybe it will definitely be hugely succesful or maybe it will sink to anonymity but still be in a higher league than some local dock scrapyard teams.

Aha ! I think I'm onto something here , it will definiteley be one of these options. Remember you heard it here first....
The club is definitley doomed, or maybe it will definitely be hugely succesful or maybe it will sink to anonymity but still be in a higher league than some local dock scrapyard teams. Aha ! I think I'm onto something here , it will definiteley be one of these options. Remember you heard it here first.... Alicesdad
  • Score: -3

2:33pm Mon 28 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Bazultra wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
To55ers calling for "Katharina Out" should realise that means she would SELL the club.... not all football fans are idiots, but those calling for her to go ARE.
Why is that then? We dont agree with you so now we are idiots. I believe we are being taken for a complete ride and im entitled to believe that. Lets look at the facts here. Since Cortese has gone every player is up for sale. Contracts are left almost until they expire and the board are saying we are not a selling club and nobody is for sale. What a load of tripe that was. All of you take off your rose tinted glasses. Dont come crying to me IF we end up back in league one!!!
Trying hard to be reasonable with you, I do NOT think you are an idiot for thinking as you do, you have sided with the neggies which is your right, I just happen to think you are misguided, NOT stupid. I think differently to your attitude, that is my right, so I ask you to respect that, no matter how deluded it may seem, I will fight my battles on here as I don't see any other way to make them known. I refuse to be bullied by people who, I think are being traitors to the Club, as I cannot accept their way will make any difference, that is no reason why they should not continue to express their views, that is their right to do.
It just reduces the validity of your message if you resort to being abusive, once you do that your cause is lost because readers will just ignor the message even it contains true information.
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: To55ers calling for "Katharina Out" should realise that means she would SELL the club.... not all football fans are idiots, but those calling for her to go ARE.[/p][/quote]Why is that then? We dont agree with you so now we are idiots. I believe we are being taken for a complete ride and im entitled to believe that. Lets look at the facts here. Since Cortese has gone every player is up for sale. Contracts are left almost until they expire and the board are saying we are not a selling club and nobody is for sale. What a load of tripe that was. All of you take off your rose tinted glasses. Dont come crying to me IF we end up back in league one!!![/p][/quote]Trying hard to be reasonable with you, I do NOT think you are an idiot for thinking as you do, you have sided with the neggies which is your right, I just happen to think you are misguided, NOT stupid. I think differently to your attitude, that is my right, so I ask you to respect that, no matter how deluded it may seem, I will fight my battles on here as I don't see any other way to make them known. I refuse to be bullied by people who, I think are being traitors to the Club, as I cannot accept their way will make any difference, that is no reason why they should not continue to express their views, that is their right to do. It just reduces the validity of your message if you resort to being abusive, once you do that your cause is lost because readers will just ignor the message even it contains true information. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

2:35pm Mon 28 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

jls217 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
So, do you really believe that, if we all **** and moan on here, the sales will stop?
If we act like all is well how are we going to convey our worries? Fans have bought season tickets, some on the strength of Les's promises in May, shouldn't they have the right to moan? I don't know if you are reading the FAN's posts, but the majority are more than little worried.
That doesn't actually answer the question, does it?
Well it might Rising! Now answer my question, do you think it's better to come on a forum and act like all is ok? Is that better than voicing your displeasure in the biggest public forum for Saints fans. And another question for you, as paying punters, don't we have a right to moan if we don't like what's going on? You and the rest of the clappers spend your time moaning about other posters, but we the fans can't moan when our club keeps rolling over for the big clubs.
Not sure too many would complain about people moaning - does you good to have a good moan from time to time.
It would be nice if the moaners were to back up their moans with evidence and to think their gripes through and take perspective now and again. Some are on ere just fishing and looking for a chance to be a WUM. Others are skates, scousers looking to cause grief. Others are just trolls. And some do have valid and well thought out gripes which if worded right others on here might have a logical answer/reason for it, be able to point them in the right direction as to where to find the real info or invite them to consider a few points maybe they have missed.
Clearly everything is not okay at Saints and maybe hasn't been for a while. Some of the moaners on here have given me food for thought as to why it might be but I doubt we'll ever know. Please keep moaning if you want to - I would if I thought it would help.
JLS a very good, rational response. I think when hardworking individuals, who may already be financially stretched purchase season tickets, only to see players sold in the face of uncle Les's words, I think they have the right to moan. I think some of the abuse that KL has received on here has crossed the line, but we do pay a lot to watch for the most part, a bunch of overpaid, twitter using big-time Charlies.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]So, do you really believe that, if we all **** and moan on here, the sales will stop?[/p][/quote]If we act like all is well how are we going to convey our worries? Fans have bought season tickets, some on the strength of Les's promises in May, shouldn't they have the right to moan? I don't know if you are reading the FAN's posts, but the majority are more than little worried.[/p][/quote]That doesn't actually answer the question, does it?[/p][/quote]Well it might Rising! Now answer my question, do you think it's better to come on a forum and act like all is ok? Is that better than voicing your displeasure in the biggest public forum for Saints fans. And another question for you, as paying punters, don't we have a right to moan if we don't like what's going on? You and the rest of the clappers spend your time moaning about other posters, but we the fans can't moan when our club keeps rolling over for the big clubs.[/p][/quote]Not sure too many would complain about people moaning - does you good to have a good moan from time to time. It would be nice if the moaners were to back up their moans with evidence and to think their gripes through and take perspective now and again. Some are on ere just fishing and looking for a chance to be a WUM. Others are skates, scousers looking to cause grief. Others are just trolls. And some do have valid and well thought out gripes which if worded right others on here might have a logical answer/reason for it, be able to point them in the right direction as to where to find the real info or invite them to consider a few points maybe they have missed. Clearly everything is not okay at Saints and maybe hasn't been for a while. Some of the moaners on here have given me food for thought as to why it might be but I doubt we'll ever know. Please keep moaning if you want to - I would if I thought it would help.[/p][/quote]JLS a very good, rational response. I think when hardworking individuals, who may already be financially stretched purchase season tickets, only to see players sold in the face of uncle Les's words, I think they have the right to moan. I think some of the abuse that KL has received on here has crossed the line, but we do pay a lot to watch for the most part, a bunch of overpaid, twitter using big-time Charlies. redandy10
  • Score: 2

2:36pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Numpty Girl says...

Remaining silent while Les scorches the St Mary's turf and earth, is an unacceptable policy by Liebherr and her Board. Surely, now is the time to talk honestly with the fans? No more lies, please!
Remaining silent while Les scorches the St Mary's turf and earth, is an unacceptable policy by Liebherr and her Board. Surely, now is the time to talk honestly with the fans? No more lies, please! Numpty Girl
  • Score: 1

2:40pm Mon 28 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
Remaining silent while Les scorches the St Mary's turf and earth, is an unacceptable policy by Liebherr and her Board. Surely, now is the time to talk honestly with the fans? No more lies, please!
Getting a bit repetitive now, we all want clarity and have repeatedly asked for information, but sadly we don't seem to be important enough to be kept informed.
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: Remaining silent while Les scorches the St Mary's turf and earth, is an unacceptable policy by Liebherr and her Board. Surely, now is the time to talk honestly with the fans? No more lies, please![/p][/quote]Getting a bit repetitive now, we all want clarity and have repeatedly asked for information, but sadly we don't seem to be important enough to be kept informed. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

2:41pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Kernowsaints says...

tharg64 wrote:
Will the last person to leave please turn out the lights...
dont turn them off i aint leaving
[quote][p][bold]tharg64[/bold] wrote: Will the last person to leave please turn out the lights...[/p][/quote]dont turn them off i aint leaving Kernowsaints
  • Score: 2

2:42pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Confucious says...

I've had the silence from St Marys analysed and the diagnosis is a total absence of sound. This is like the silence and silences you get in pieces of music. However in music the short spells of silence are necessary to distinguish actual sound and provide the necessary gaps so melodies and rhythms can be established.

The silent spell at St Marys is very long and this is like a piece of music which lasts for about a month, but has a month's spell of silence in it. That would be quite annoying for paying customers at a concert or indeed radio listeners.
I've had the silence from St Marys analysed and the diagnosis is a total absence of sound. This is like the silence and silences you get in pieces of music. However in music the short spells of silence are necessary to distinguish actual sound and provide the necessary gaps so melodies and rhythms can be established. The silent spell at St Marys is very long and this is like a piece of music which lasts for about a month, but has a month's spell of silence in it. That would be quite annoying for paying customers at a concert or indeed radio listeners. Confucious
  • Score: 0

2:42pm Mon 28 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.
KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess.

As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year!
Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.
Exactly!

I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves.

As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention.
I see you you still resort to victimhood.
Yes, I I I still resort to victimhood Rising! And I see you still ask more questions that Magnus magnusson. What I love about talking saints with you is that inevitably we end up in kind of Bermuda Triangle, with you just asking question after and question and not actually stating a definitive opinion yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.[/p][/quote]KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess. As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year![/p][/quote]Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.[/p][/quote]Exactly! I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves. As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention.[/p][/quote]I see you you still resort to victimhood.[/p][/quote]Yes, I I I still resort to victimhood Rising! And I see you still ask more questions that Magnus magnusson. What I love about talking saints with you is that inevitably we end up in kind of Bermuda Triangle, with you just asking question after and question and not actually stating a definitive opinion yourself. redandy10
  • Score: 3

2:44pm Mon 28 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Fellow fans,

In the interest of discovering our general sentiment, would you please take the following one-question poll that I have created:

http://vote.pollcode



.com/49543424#sthash



.OhmGuQ7b.dpuf

Thank you to those fans who have taken the poll already.
Are surprised at the results so far?
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: Fellow fans, In the interest of discovering our general sentiment, would you please take the following one-question poll that I have created: http://vote.pollcode .com/49543424#sthash .OhmGuQ7b.dpuf Thank you to those fans who have taken the poll already.[/p][/quote]Are surprised at the results so far? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

2:45pm Mon 28 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
Remaining silent while Les scorches the St Mary's turf and earth, is an unacceptable policy by Liebherr and her Board. Surely, now is the time to talk honestly with the fans? No more lies, please!
Getting a bit repetitive now, we all want clarity and have repeatedly asked for information, but sadly we don't seem to be important enough to be kept informed.
Now now Osprey, calm down! You should be making this new poster feel welcome and comfortable to post her true feelings, not labelling her as repetitive. Also repetitive? Pot, kettle, black. Now run along now!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: Remaining silent while Les scorches the St Mary's turf and earth, is an unacceptable policy by Liebherr and her Board. Surely, now is the time to talk honestly with the fans? No more lies, please![/p][/quote]Getting a bit repetitive now, we all want clarity and have repeatedly asked for information, but sadly we don't seem to be important enough to be kept informed.[/p][/quote]Now now Osprey, calm down! You should be making this new poster feel welcome and comfortable to post her true feelings, not labelling her as repetitive. Also repetitive? Pot, kettle, black. Now run along now! redandy10
  • Score: 1

2:46pm Mon 28 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Fellow fans,

In the interest of discovering our general sentiment, would you please take the following one-question poll that I have created:

http://vote.pollcode




.com/49543424#sthash




.OhmGuQ7b.dpuf

Thank you to those fans who have taken the poll already.
Are surprised at the results so far?
That should have read are you surprised at the results so far?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: Fellow fans, In the interest of discovering our general sentiment, would you please take the following one-question poll that I have created: http://vote.pollcode .com/49543424#sthash .OhmGuQ7b.dpuf Thank you to those fans who have taken the poll already.[/p][/quote]Are surprised at the results so far?[/p][/quote]That should have read are you surprised at the results so far? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

2:49pm Mon 28 Jul 14

ukfazerman says...

THE LAST TIME I SAW THIS, WE PLAYED IN A CUP FINAL, HAD A DECENT LEAGUE FINISH, SOLD PLAYERS , TOOK THE MONEY AND CRASHED THROUGH THE DIVS. MEMO TO BOARD, THE CASH IS IN THE PREM NOT LOWER DOWN.
THE LAST TIME I SAW THIS, WE PLAYED IN A CUP FINAL, HAD A DECENT LEAGUE FINISH, SOLD PLAYERS , TOOK THE MONEY AND CRASHED THROUGH THE DIVS. MEMO TO BOARD, THE CASH IS IN THE PREM NOT LOWER DOWN. ukfazerman
  • Score: 1

2:51pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.
KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess.

As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year!
Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.
Exactly!

I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves.

As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention.
I see you you still resort to victimhood.
Yes, I I I still resort to victimhood Rising! And I see you still ask more questions that Magnus magnusson. What I love about talking saints with you is that inevitably we end up in kind of Bermuda Triangle, with you just asking question after and question and not actually stating a definitive opinion yourself.
You seem to have missed my earlier reply. You also, perhaps strategically, have not registered a great many of my posts in which I very clearly give my opinions. You seem also to have a problem with questions, and never seem to answer them. Unlike Magnus Magnusson's, my questions are not particularly difficult, so I'm left wondering why you don't want to answer them.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.[/p][/quote]KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess. As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year![/p][/quote]Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.[/p][/quote]Exactly! I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves. As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention.[/p][/quote]I see you you still resort to victimhood.[/p][/quote]Yes, I I I still resort to victimhood Rising! And I see you still ask more questions that Magnus magnusson. What I love about talking saints with you is that inevitably we end up in kind of Bermuda Triangle, with you just asking question after and question and not actually stating a definitive opinion yourself.[/p][/quote]You seem to have missed my earlier reply. You also, perhaps strategically, have not registered a great many of my posts in which I very clearly give my opinions. You seem also to have a problem with questions, and never seem to answer them. Unlike Magnus Magnusson's, my questions are not particularly difficult, so I'm left wondering why you don't want to answer them. Rising_Son
  • Score: -1

2:52pm Mon 28 Jul 14

donni1437 says...

We shall soon see the motives of the club in the transfer market, but it seems like the board have assumed, probably quite sensibly, that we have little or no chance of challenging for the promised land of top 4, it just seems a closed shop. Judging by last season we were still a long way off, 20odd plus points, even with a decent amount of investment in the squad over a couple of seasons.

Wary of funding 'another' push to top 4 they are now trying to replace like for like with cheaper/academy alternatives. It's an approach and certainly the sensible one, but not the one that excites the fans. The only way to keep us happy is to get the results on the pitch, so RK and the boys will have quite a bit of pressure to keep us happy.
We shall soon see the motives of the club in the transfer market, but it seems like the board have assumed, probably quite sensibly, that we have little or no chance of challenging for the promised land of top 4, it just seems a closed shop. Judging by last season we were still a long way off, 20odd plus points, even with a decent amount of investment in the squad over a couple of seasons. Wary of funding 'another' push to top 4 they are now trying to replace like for like with cheaper/academy alternatives. It's an approach and certainly the sensible one, but not the one that excites the fans. The only way to keep us happy is to get the results on the pitch, so RK and the boys will have quite a bit of pressure to keep us happy. donni1437
  • Score: 2

2:54pm Mon 28 Jul 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

I thought the Board might need a template, so I prepared one for them:

Southampton Football Club can confirm that it has reached an agreement with over the transfer of .

The , who joined Saints in on a contract, departs for a significant fee after negotiations with the club.

.... I bet Board manages to be even more concise, after all, they have had plenty of practice...
I thought the Board might need a template, so I prepared one for them: Southampton Football Club can confirm that it has reached an agreement with [Insert Other Team Name] over the transfer of [Insert Player Name]. The [Insert Position], who joined Saints in [Insert Season] on a [Insert Length of Contract] contract, departs for a significant fee after negotiations with the [Insert Home of Other Club] club. .... I bet Board manages to be even more concise, after all, they have had plenty of practice... BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 2

2:55pm Mon 28 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
Remaining silent while Les scorches the St Mary's turf and earth, is an unacceptable policy by Liebherr and her Board. Surely, now is the time to talk honestly with the fans? No more lies, please!
Getting a bit repetitive now, we all want clarity and have repeatedly asked for information, but sadly we don't seem to be important enough to be kept informed.
Now now Osprey, calm down! You should be making this new poster feel welcome and comfortable to post her true feelings, not labelling her as repetitive. Also repetitive? Pot, kettle, black. Now run along now!
Are you sure it is a newcomer? I am so paranoic these days, I reckon it's an old "boy" using a new sign on, easy to have the wool pulled over your eyes these days. Don't take it as gospel though I have no confidence in my own ability to get things right these days, the raison d'etre has a familiar ring to it, post a couple of sensible posts then gradually turn it around and voila another WUM outed. Apologies if I am wrong but prove it if you can.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: Remaining silent while Les scorches the St Mary's turf and earth, is an unacceptable policy by Liebherr and her Board. Surely, now is the time to talk honestly with the fans? No more lies, please![/p][/quote]Getting a bit repetitive now, we all want clarity and have repeatedly asked for information, but sadly we don't seem to be important enough to be kept informed.[/p][/quote]Now now Osprey, calm down! You should be making this new poster feel welcome and comfortable to post her true feelings, not labelling her as repetitive. Also repetitive? Pot, kettle, black. Now run along now![/p][/quote]Are you sure it is a newcomer? I am so paranoic these days, I reckon it's an old "boy" using a new sign on, easy to have the wool pulled over your eyes these days. Don't take it as gospel though I have no confidence in my own ability to get things right these days, the raison d'etre has a familiar ring to it, post a couple of sensible posts then gradually turn it around and voila another WUM outed. Apologies if I am wrong but prove it if you can. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

2:56pm Mon 28 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
I thought the Board might need a template, so I prepared one for them:

Southampton Football Club can confirm that it has reached an agreement with over the transfer of .

The , who joined Saints in on a contract, departs for a significant fee after negotiations with the club.

.... I bet Board manages to be even more concise, after all, they have had plenty of practice...
Very negative though.
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: I thought the Board might need a template, so I prepared one for them: Southampton Football Club can confirm that it has reached an agreement with [Insert Other Team Name] over the transfer of [Insert Player Name]. The [Insert Position], who joined Saints in [Insert Season] on a [Insert Length of Contract] contract, departs for a significant fee after negotiations with the [Insert Home of Other Club] club. .... I bet Board manages to be even more concise, after all, they have had plenty of practice...[/p][/quote]Very negative though. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

2:57pm Mon 28 Jul 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

Apparently too technical for The Daily Echo, I will try again:

I thought the Board might need a template, so I prepared one for them:

Southampton Football Club can confirm that it has reached an agreement with ** insert other team's name ** over the transfer of ** insert name of player **.

The ** insert position of player ** , who joined Saints in ** insert season joined ** on a ** insert length of contract ** contract, departs for a significant fee after negotiations with the ** insert home of the other club ** based club.

.... I bet Board manages to be even more concise, after all, they have had plenty of practice...
Apparently too technical for The Daily Echo, I will try again: I thought the Board might need a template, so I prepared one for them: Southampton Football Club can confirm that it has reached an agreement with ** insert other team's name ** over the transfer of ** insert name of player **. The ** insert position of player ** , who joined Saints in ** insert season joined ** on a ** insert length of contract ** contract, departs for a significant fee after negotiations with the ** insert home of the other club ** based club. .... I bet Board manages to be even more concise, after all, they have had plenty of practice... BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 1

2:58pm Mon 28 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

donni1437 wrote:
We shall soon see the motives of the club in the transfer market, but it seems like the board have assumed, probably quite sensibly, that we have little or no chance of challenging for the promised land of top 4, it just seems a closed shop. Judging by last season we were still a long way off, 20odd plus points, even with a decent amount of investment in the squad over a couple of seasons.

Wary of funding 'another' push to top 4 they are now trying to replace like for like with cheaper/academy alternatives. It's an approach and certainly the sensible one, but not the one that excites the fans. The only way to keep us happy is to get the results on the pitch, so RK and the boys will have quite a bit of pressure to keep us happy.
Positive anyway. Hope it will come good, you never can tell.
[quote][p][bold]donni1437[/bold] wrote: We shall soon see the motives of the club in the transfer market, but it seems like the board have assumed, probably quite sensibly, that we have little or no chance of challenging for the promised land of top 4, it just seems a closed shop. Judging by last season we were still a long way off, 20odd plus points, even with a decent amount of investment in the squad over a couple of seasons. Wary of funding 'another' push to top 4 they are now trying to replace like for like with cheaper/academy alternatives. It's an approach and certainly the sensible one, but not the one that excites the fans. The only way to keep us happy is to get the results on the pitch, so RK and the boys will have quite a bit of pressure to keep us happy.[/p][/quote]Positive anyway. Hope it will come good, you never can tell. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

3:00pm Mon 28 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Apparently too technical for The Daily Echo, I will try again:

I thought the Board might need a template, so I prepared one for them:

Southampton Football Club can confirm that it has reached an agreement with ** insert other team's name ** over the transfer of ** insert name of player **.

The ** insert position of player ** , who joined Saints in ** insert season joined ** on a ** insert length of contract ** contract, departs for a significant fee after negotiations with the ** insert home of the other club ** based club.

.... I bet Board manages to be even more concise, after all, they have had plenty of practice...
No better than the first attempt keep trying.
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: Apparently too technical for The Daily Echo, I will try again: I thought the Board might need a template, so I prepared one for them: Southampton Football Club can confirm that it has reached an agreement with ** insert other team's name ** over the transfer of ** insert name of player **. The ** insert position of player ** , who joined Saints in ** insert season joined ** on a ** insert length of contract ** contract, departs for a significant fee after negotiations with the ** insert home of the other club ** based club. .... I bet Board manages to be even more concise, after all, they have had plenty of practice...[/p][/quote]No better than the first attempt keep trying. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

3:02pm Mon 28 Jul 14

thinklikealocal says...

redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.
KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess.

As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year!
Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.
Exactly!

I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves.

As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention.
Calling people who don't agree with you happy clappers, not accepting that people don't want to be schooled by you and telling people whose opinion is different to yours that they are wrong is not having a debate! Do you get that? Suggest you look up what debate means in a dictionary.....
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.[/p][/quote]KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess. As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year![/p][/quote]Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.[/p][/quote]Exactly! I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves. As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention.[/p][/quote]Calling people who don't agree with you happy clappers, not accepting that people don't want to be schooled by you and telling people whose opinion is different to yours that they are wrong is not having a debate! Do you get that? Suggest you look up what debate means in a dictionary..... thinklikealocal
  • Score: 2

3:04pm Mon 28 Jul 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
donni1437 wrote:
We shall soon see the motives of the club in the transfer market, but it seems like the board have assumed, probably quite sensibly, that we have little or no chance of challenging for the promised land of top 4, it just seems a closed shop. Judging by last season we were still a long way off, 20odd plus points, even with a decent amount of investment in the squad over a couple of seasons.

Wary of funding 'another' push to top 4 they are now trying to replace like for like with cheaper/academy alternatives. It's an approach and certainly the sensible one, but not the one that excites the fans. The only way to keep us happy is to get the results on the pitch, so RK and the boys will have quite a bit of pressure to keep us happy.
Positive anyway. Hope it will come good, you never can tell.
Sensible? Time will tell. But if you think conservatism is a sure win approach, you are sadly mistaken. It is a balancing act, but right now, our position will have us stepping off to an easily predicted side of the rope, after which we shall proceed to a falling motion, also known as crashing...
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]donni1437[/bold] wrote: We shall soon see the motives of the club in the transfer market, but it seems like the board have assumed, probably quite sensibly, that we have little or no chance of challenging for the promised land of top 4, it just seems a closed shop. Judging by last season we were still a long way off, 20odd plus points, even with a decent amount of investment in the squad over a couple of seasons. Wary of funding 'another' push to top 4 they are now trying to replace like for like with cheaper/academy alternatives. It's an approach and certainly the sensible one, but not the one that excites the fans. The only way to keep us happy is to get the results on the pitch, so RK and the boys will have quite a bit of pressure to keep us happy.[/p][/quote]Positive anyway. Hope it will come good, you never can tell.[/p][/quote]Sensible? Time will tell. But if you think conservatism is a sure win approach, you are sadly mistaken. It is a balancing act, but right now, our position will have us stepping off to an easily predicted side of the rope, after which we shall proceed to a falling motion, also known as crashing... BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 0

3:11pm Mon 28 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
donni1437 wrote:
We shall soon see the motives of the club in the transfer market, but it seems like the board have assumed, probably quite sensibly, that we have little or no chance of challenging for the promised land of top 4, it just seems a closed shop. Judging by last season we were still a long way off, 20odd plus points, even with a decent amount of investment in the squad over a couple of seasons.

Wary of funding 'another' push to top 4 they are now trying to replace like for like with cheaper/academy alternatives. It's an approach and certainly the sensible one, but not the one that excites the fans. The only way to keep us happy is to get the results on the pitch, so RK and the boys will have quite a bit of pressure to keep us happy.
Positive anyway. Hope it will come good, you never can tell.
Sensible? Time will tell. But if you think conservatism is a sure win approach, you are sadly mistaken. It is a balancing act, but right now, our position will have us stepping off to an easily predicted side of the rope, after which we shall proceed to a falling motion, also known as crashing...
Love your kind of optimism it ought to bottled and sent down the M27.
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]donni1437[/bold] wrote: We shall soon see the motives of the club in the transfer market, but it seems like the board have assumed, probably quite sensibly, that we have little or no chance of challenging for the promised land of top 4, it just seems a closed shop. Judging by last season we were still a long way off, 20odd plus points, even with a decent amount of investment in the squad over a couple of seasons. Wary of funding 'another' push to top 4 they are now trying to replace like for like with cheaper/academy alternatives. It's an approach and certainly the sensible one, but not the one that excites the fans. The only way to keep us happy is to get the results on the pitch, so RK and the boys will have quite a bit of pressure to keep us happy.[/p][/quote]Positive anyway. Hope it will come good, you never can tell.[/p][/quote]Sensible? Time will tell. But if you think conservatism is a sure win approach, you are sadly mistaken. It is a balancing act, but right now, our position will have us stepping off to an easily predicted side of the rope, after which we shall proceed to a falling motion, also known as crashing...[/p][/quote]Love your kind of optimism it ought to bottled and sent down the M27. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

3:12pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
donni1437 wrote:
We shall soon see the motives of the club in the transfer market, but it seems like the board have assumed, probably quite sensibly, that we have little or no chance of challenging for the promised land of top 4, it just seems a closed shop. Judging by last season we were still a long way off, 20odd plus points, even with a decent amount of investment in the squad over a couple of seasons.

Wary of funding 'another' push to top 4 they are now trying to replace like for like with cheaper/academy alternatives. It's an approach and certainly the sensible one, but not the one that excites the fans. The only way to keep us happy is to get the results on the pitch, so RK and the boys will have quite a bit of pressure to keep us happy.
Positive anyway. Hope it will come good, you never can tell.
Sensible? Time will tell. But if you think conservatism is a sure win approach, you are sadly mistaken. It is a balancing act, but right now, our position will have us stepping off to an easily predicted side of the rope, after which we shall proceed to a falling motion, also known as crashing...
Expensive crystal ball you're using, is it?
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]donni1437[/bold] wrote: We shall soon see the motives of the club in the transfer market, but it seems like the board have assumed, probably quite sensibly, that we have little or no chance of challenging for the promised land of top 4, it just seems a closed shop. Judging by last season we were still a long way off, 20odd plus points, even with a decent amount of investment in the squad over a couple of seasons. Wary of funding 'another' push to top 4 they are now trying to replace like for like with cheaper/academy alternatives. It's an approach and certainly the sensible one, but not the one that excites the fans. The only way to keep us happy is to get the results on the pitch, so RK and the boys will have quite a bit of pressure to keep us happy.[/p][/quote]Positive anyway. Hope it will come good, you never can tell.[/p][/quote]Sensible? Time will tell. But if you think conservatism is a sure win approach, you are sadly mistaken. It is a balancing act, but right now, our position will have us stepping off to an easily predicted side of the rope, after which we shall proceed to a falling motion, also known as crashing...[/p][/quote]Expensive crystal ball you're using, is it? Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

3:13pm Mon 28 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Fellow fans,

In the interest of discovering our general sentiment, would you please take the following one-question poll that I have created:

http://vote.pollcode




.com/49543424#sthash




.OhmGuQ7b.dpuf

Thank you to those fans who have taken the poll already.
Are surprised at the results so far?
No offence Big Bug, but that poll question is rubbish. Basically it yet again gives people two opinion options - which is what several people on this site seem to be keen to enforce.

So, either you believe the board are helpless and couldn't have done any more than they have, or you believe it's a fire sale and the club is going to be sold because people are greedy.

Both options are complete nonsense because neither of them are close to the truth unless you take a blinkered extreme view.

First option: no, I don't believe that the club was powerless to stop player sales. Somebody on here criticised them for letting contracts run down, but it seems we don't value contracts, because many of the players we let go had four year deals. So, no, we were not legally powerless and it would be stupid to suggest we were. Perhaps powerless in terms of agent power, but legally we were rock solid to keep them.

Second option: this is not a deliberate policy. Firstly I've seen no signs to suggest we are organised enough to have any master plan in place - it's just 'happening to us' in that the board is watching things pan out rather than taking a firm stance. Thus the silence - they don't know their own minds enough to make a statement they will stick to. However, I think it would be a harsh judge that says they are doing this to line their pockets. Cut loses maybe, but I fully believe that they know we need replacements and will spend a very substantial amount of money to do that. Whether they gamble correctly is open to debate.

So what do your current results tell you (by the way it's all a bit useless because I've just voted twice to see if the voting system was flawed)?

Well, there are only three votes on the 'this is a conspiracy/we're going to be sold' side and 14 on the 'we trust the board' side.

What this tells me is that this concept of realistic people being 'neggies' is absolute rubbish. Very few people hold that extreme view.

Had you asked are people unhappy with the current situation at the club, you'd have got a sensible answer. That's because it is the realistic and grounded response based on evidence thus far - plus nobody can be legitimately happy to see us sell our best young players, even if we replace them well - it's sad to see homegrown players like Chambers go, no matter what we get for him.

In fact I'd imagine several positive posters (I won't use the word happy clappers as it is as unfair as the neggies stereotype) would say they were currently not 100% happy at present, but trust the club to fix things in a responsible way.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: Fellow fans, In the interest of discovering our general sentiment, would you please take the following one-question poll that I have created: http://vote.pollcode .com/49543424#sthash .OhmGuQ7b.dpuf Thank you to those fans who have taken the poll already.[/p][/quote]Are surprised at the results so far?[/p][/quote]No offence Big Bug, but that poll question is rubbish. Basically it yet again gives people two opinion options - which is what several people on this site seem to be keen to enforce. So, either you believe the board are helpless and couldn't have done any more than they have, or you believe it's a fire sale and the club is going to be sold because people are greedy. Both options are complete nonsense because neither of them are close to the truth unless you take a blinkered extreme view. First option: no, I don't believe that the club was powerless to stop player sales. Somebody on here criticised them for letting contracts run down, but it seems we don't value contracts, because many of the players we let go had four year deals. So, no, we were not legally powerless and it would be stupid to suggest we were. Perhaps powerless in terms of agent power, but legally we were rock solid to keep them. Second option: this is not a deliberate policy. Firstly I've seen no signs to suggest we are organised enough to have any master plan in place - it's just 'happening to us' in that the board is watching things pan out rather than taking a firm stance. Thus the silence - they don't know their own minds enough to make a statement they will stick to. However, I think it would be a harsh judge that says they are doing this to line their pockets. Cut loses maybe, but I fully believe that they know we need replacements and will spend a very substantial amount of money to do that. Whether they gamble correctly is open to debate. So what do your current results tell you (by the way it's all a bit useless because I've just voted twice to see if the voting system was flawed)? Well, there are only three votes on the 'this is a conspiracy/we're going to be sold' side and 14 on the 'we trust the board' side. What this tells me is that this concept of realistic people being 'neggies' is absolute rubbish. Very few people hold that extreme view. Had you asked are people unhappy with the current situation at the club, you'd have got a sensible answer. That's because it is the realistic and grounded response based on evidence thus far - plus nobody can be legitimately happy to see us sell our best young players, even if we replace them well - it's sad to see homegrown players like Chambers go, no matter what we get for him. In fact I'd imagine several positive posters (I won't use the word happy clappers as it is as unfair as the neggies stereotype) would say they were currently not 100% happy at present, but trust the club to fix things in a responsible way. SaintJD
  • Score: 5

3:15pm Mon 28 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Fellow fans,

In the interest of discovering our general sentiment, would you please take the following one-question poll that I have created:

http://vote.pollcode





.com/49543424#sthash





.OhmGuQ7b.dpuf

Thank you to those fans who have taken the poll already.
Are surprised at the results so far?
That should have read are you surprised at the results so far?
The Poll shows 88% pro Kate and the board so far, it hasn't been corrupted or infiltrated by the neggies yet, but it is capable of being that.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: Fellow fans, In the interest of discovering our general sentiment, would you please take the following one-question poll that I have created: http://vote.pollcode .com/49543424#sthash .OhmGuQ7b.dpuf Thank you to those fans who have taken the poll already.[/p][/quote]Are surprised at the results so far?[/p][/quote]That should have read are you surprised at the results so far?[/p][/quote]The Poll shows 88% pro Kate and the board so far, it hasn't been corrupted or infiltrated by the neggies yet, but it is capable of being that. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

3:19pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Fellow fans,

In the interest of discovering our general sentiment, would you please take the following one-question poll that I have created:

http://vote.pollcode






.com/49543424#sthash






.OhmGuQ7b.dpuf

Thank you to those fans who have taken the poll already.
Are surprised at the results so far?
That should have read are you surprised at the results so far?
The Poll shows 88% pro Kate and the board so far, it hasn't been corrupted or infiltrated by the neggies yet, but it is capable of being that.
I hope it's not because the results are not support his hypothesis that he hasn't said anything about the poll yet. That would be very unethical.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: Fellow fans, In the interest of discovering our general sentiment, would you please take the following one-question poll that I have created: http://vote.pollcode .com/49543424#sthash .OhmGuQ7b.dpuf Thank you to those fans who have taken the poll already.[/p][/quote]Are surprised at the results so far?[/p][/quote]That should have read are you surprised at the results so far?[/p][/quote]The Poll shows 88% pro Kate and the board so far, it hasn't been corrupted or infiltrated by the neggies yet, but it is capable of being that.[/p][/quote]I hope it's not because the results are not support his hypothesis that he hasn't said anything about the poll yet. That would be very unethical. Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

3:22pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

SaintJD says...
"In fact I'd imagine several positive posters ... would say they were currently not 100% happy at present, but trust the club to fix things in a responsible way."

Others might say they were currently not 100% happy at present, but hope the club fix things in a responsible way.
SaintJD says... "In fact I'd imagine several positive posters ... would say they were currently not 100% happy at present, but trust the club to fix things in a responsible way." Others might say they were currently not 100% happy at present, but hope the club fix things in a responsible way. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

3:22pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Bazultra says...

Confucious wrote:
I've had the silence from St Marys analysed and the diagnosis is a total absence of sound. This is like the silence and silences you get in pieces of music. However in music the short spells of silence are necessary to distinguish actual sound and provide the necessary gaps so melodies and rhythms can be established. The silent spell at St Marys is very long and this is like a piece of music which lasts for about a month, but has a month's spell of silence in it. That would be quite annoying for paying customers at a concert or indeed radio listeners.
Actions speak louder than words right? What do the clubs actions say to you at this time?

I like the way you put things confusious:)
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: I've had the silence from St Marys analysed and the diagnosis is a total absence of sound. This is like the silence and silences you get in pieces of music. However in music the short spells of silence are necessary to distinguish actual sound and provide the necessary gaps so melodies and rhythms can be established. The silent spell at St Marys is very long and this is like a piece of music which lasts for about a month, but has a month's spell of silence in it. That would be quite annoying for paying customers at a concert or indeed radio listeners.[/p][/quote]Actions speak louder than words right? What do the clubs actions say to you at this time? I like the way you put things confusious:) Bazultra
  • Score: -2

3:27pm Mon 28 Jul 14

milton road says...

I suppose fans can sing 'are you Southampton in disguise' or 'Southampotn's second 11' to liverpool, doubt that give much comfort.

Buroc, Clyne, Fonte, Yoshida, Targett, Ramirez, Wanyama, Scheniderlin, Davis, Tadic Pelle, ...or Cork or Prowse in midfield, Gallagher, Reed Mcqueen, K Davis Isgrove, Hoov..... Rodriguez at some point., McCarthy.

The first 13-14 players as it stands at this moment would not show us as particularly weakened compared to last season. What we lack is strength in depth and the players we bring in need to be better than what we have, if we are to be a better side this season.
Like I say I will refer judgement as to whether we are run by a bunch of idiots or there is some divine plan of sheer brilliance until the season starts.
I do know we have some cracking youngsters coming through who only need a year or two to evolve and in that time we need to have advanced so they do not go. If and I do say IF we can do that then what has happened will be seen as justified.
Yet it is inevitable if we are to evolve into a better side we would have to become an international side rather than basically English at this point.
Before i start shouting off how we have been betrayed and let down I want to see who comes in and how they perform.

Like i say I am going to wait and see if we have a bunch of idiots or inspired people in charge. I did not want anyone to leave but it has happened, it doesn't mean its the end of the book just an end of a chapter.

Three good signings could change the whole picture.
I suppose fans can sing 'are you Southampton in disguise' or 'Southampotn's second 11' to liverpool, doubt that give much comfort. Buroc, Clyne, Fonte, Yoshida, Targett, Ramirez, Wanyama, Scheniderlin, Davis, Tadic Pelle, ...or Cork or Prowse in midfield, Gallagher, Reed Mcqueen, K Davis Isgrove, Hoov..... Rodriguez at some point., McCarthy. The first 13-14 players as it stands at this moment would not show us as particularly weakened compared to last season. What we lack is strength in depth and the players we bring in need to be better than what we have, if we are to be a better side this season. Like I say I will refer judgement as to whether we are run by a bunch of idiots or there is some divine plan of sheer brilliance until the season starts. I do know we have some cracking youngsters coming through who only need a year or two to evolve and in that time we need to have advanced so they do not go. If and I do say IF we can do that then what has happened will be seen as justified. Yet it is inevitable if we are to evolve into a better side we would have to become an international side rather than basically English at this point. Before i start shouting off how we have been betrayed and let down I want to see who comes in and how they perform. Like i say I am going to wait and see if we have a bunch of idiots or inspired people in charge. I did not want anyone to leave but it has happened, it doesn't mean its the end of the book just an end of a chapter. Three good signings could change the whole picture. milton road
  • Score: 0

3:36pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

george chivers wrote:
If Wegner doesn't mind taking a gamble perhaps he would like to come down to the South Coast and manage us. It's a punters paradise.
Rambling gambling Arsene.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: If Wegner doesn't mind taking a gamble perhaps he would like to come down to the South Coast and manage us. It's a punters paradise.[/p][/quote]Rambling gambling Arsene. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

3:49pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Mick,Derby says...

Sack Les Reed before he does any more damage to our club.
He is without doubt completely oblivious to the wishes of the fans.
How can he be so utterly crass to sell 3 of our players to one club, and then sit back to allow Rogers to come in yet again for JRod.
Clearly Ronald Koeman must be starting to question what kind of person he is working for.
What rubs salt into the wounds is to see Rogers on TV boasting that he has got yet another player who will win Liverpool titles.
Les you are kidding nobody, you have lost control of the situation, and Wenger Rogers, and Pocchetino are making you into A LAUGHING STOCK.
The media are laughing at us, the fans are enraged, and the players are all queuing up to get out asap. The general perception is that we have a Board of Directors, weak, spineless, and inept.
You only have to read the social media to find commentators, managers, ex players and people with a wealth of experience beginning to question the clubs strategy, and corporate plan, which is totally at odds with statements made by directors to the fans.
Its you who needs to go Les, you are the man who boasted you are in charge of contracts and negotations. You are the man who has mismanaged the discussions with players under contract. You are the man who is failing to be transparent with the fans, and is full of empty promises.
Arsenal have raped our club time and time again, buying some of the finest young talent in the world at knock down prices. Why aren't Liverpool Arsenal and Spurs investing their money into academies..simple answer Les, they know they can buy cheap from us.
Les why don't you do something useful and ensure that every young player does not use our club as a passport to our competitors in the premiership. If you fail to put legal sanctions in place, our club will continue to have a queue of vultures waiting for the transfer window to open.
So take note Les. The fans want you to grow some b...s and for once say no and send a clear message to other clubs not to waste their time .
Sack Les Reed before he does any more damage to our club. He is without doubt completely oblivious to the wishes of the fans. How can he be so utterly crass to sell 3 of our players to one club, and then sit back to allow Rogers to come in yet again for JRod. Clearly Ronald Koeman must be starting to question what kind of person he is working for. What rubs salt into the wounds is to see Rogers on TV boasting that he has got yet another player who will win Liverpool titles. Les you are kidding nobody, you have lost control of the situation, and Wenger Rogers, and Pocchetino are making you into A LAUGHING STOCK. The media are laughing at us, the fans are enraged, and the players are all queuing up to get out asap. The general perception is that we have a Board of Directors, weak, spineless, and inept. You only have to read the social media to find commentators, managers, ex players and people with a wealth of experience beginning to question the clubs strategy, and corporate plan, which is totally at odds with statements made by directors to the fans. Its you who needs to go Les, you are the man who boasted you are in charge of contracts and negotations. You are the man who has mismanaged the discussions with players under contract. You are the man who is failing to be transparent with the fans, and is full of empty promises. Arsenal have raped our club time and time again, buying some of the finest young talent in the world at knock down prices. Why aren't Liverpool Arsenal and Spurs investing their money into academies..simple answer Les, they know they can buy cheap from us. Les why don't you do something useful and ensure that every young player does not use our club as a passport to our competitors in the premiership. If you fail to put legal sanctions in place, our club will continue to have a queue of vultures waiting for the transfer window to open. So take note Les. The fans want you to grow some b...s and for once say no and send a clear message to other clubs not to waste their time . Mick,Derby
  • Score: 1

3:52pm Mon 28 Jul 14

befriendly says...

If the money is right every club is a selling club and if a player wants to leave there is nothing any club can do other than sticking him in the reserves and losing what money they paid for him. Just do it some of you will shout, but how many of you throw your money down the drain. Football is a very expensive business and the man with the most money can buy the title and cup, that's why the so called fair play scheme was introduced, to stop people buying the title. The next stage to the title is gate money, which is why some clubs have and are building newer and bigger stadiums. Arsenal went from about 35,000 to somewhere near 60,000. 25,00 at say fifty quid a ticket is a lot of income. If Saints had that sort of income they could pay better wages and maybe not have to sell players to balance the books for the fair play rule. So to all you prophets of doom I say get together and demand the board raise entry money to a level where they can afford the wages you say would keep the players and wishing the owner would sell up is a very risky business as you never know who might buy the club. That what's its name club up the M27 is a prime example.
If the money is right every club is a selling club and if a player wants to leave there is nothing any club can do other than sticking him in the reserves and losing what money they paid for him. Just do it some of you will shout, but how many of you throw your money down the drain. Football is a very expensive business and the man with the most money can buy the title and cup, that's why the so called fair play scheme was introduced, to stop people buying the title. The next stage to the title is gate money, which is why some clubs have and are building newer and bigger stadiums. Arsenal went from about 35,000 to somewhere near 60,000. 25,00 at say fifty quid a ticket is a lot of income. If Saints had that sort of income they could pay better wages and maybe not have to sell players to balance the books for the fair play rule. So to all you prophets of doom I say get together and demand the board raise entry money to a level where they can afford the wages you say would keep the players and wishing the owner would sell up is a very risky business as you never know who might buy the club. That what's its name club up the M27 is a prime example. befriendly
  • Score: 0

3:55pm Mon 28 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.
KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess.

As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year!
Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.
Exactly!

I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves.

As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention.
I see you you still resort to victimhood.
Yes, I I I still resort to victimhood Rising! And I see you still ask more questions that Magnus magnusson. What I love about talking saints with you is that inevitably we end up in kind of Bermuda Triangle, with you just asking question after and question and not actually stating a definitive opinion yourself.
You seem to have missed my earlier reply. You also, perhaps strategically, have not registered a great many of my posts in which I very clearly give my opinions. You seem also to have a problem with questions, and never seem to answer them. Unlike Magnus Magnusson's, my questions are not particularly difficult, so I'm left wondering why you don't want to answer them.
Lol. As I was saying Bermuda Triangle.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.[/p][/quote]KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess. As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year![/p][/quote]Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.[/p][/quote]Exactly! I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves. As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention.[/p][/quote]I see you you still resort to victimhood.[/p][/quote]Yes, I I I still resort to victimhood Rising! And I see you still ask more questions that Magnus magnusson. What I love about talking saints with you is that inevitably we end up in kind of Bermuda Triangle, with you just asking question after and question and not actually stating a definitive opinion yourself.[/p][/quote]You seem to have missed my earlier reply. You also, perhaps strategically, have not registered a great many of my posts in which I very clearly give my opinions. You seem also to have a problem with questions, and never seem to answer them. Unlike Magnus Magnusson's, my questions are not particularly difficult, so I'm left wondering why you don't want to answer them.[/p][/quote]Lol. As I was saying Bermuda Triangle. redandy10
  • Score: 1

3:58pm Mon 28 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.
KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess.

As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year!
Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.
Exactly!

I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves.

As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention.
Calling people who don't agree with you happy clappers, not accepting that people don't want to be schooled by you and telling people whose opinion is different to yours that they are wrong is not having a debate! Do you get that? Suggest you look up what debate means in a dictionary.....
Sorry I didn't read your little post because I have a fairly good idea who really wrote it. SPEAK UP PLEASE!
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.[/p][/quote]KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess. As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year![/p][/quote]Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.[/p][/quote]Exactly! I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves. As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention.[/p][/quote]Calling people who don't agree with you happy clappers, not accepting that people don't want to be schooled by you and telling people whose opinion is different to yours that they are wrong is not having a debate! Do you get that? Suggest you look up what debate means in a dictionary.....[/p][/quote]Sorry I didn't read your little post because I have a fairly good idea who really wrote it. SPEAK UP PLEASE! redandy10
  • Score: 2

4:00pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Saintsayer II says...

Enrico Palazzo wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
To Whoever it may concern

Dear Sir
At the end of May I renewed my season ticket for the 2014/15 season I did this in the belief that the club would NOT sell its best players and was confident that Mr Reed was going to hold players to their contracts I believed this simply because he said so
It has since become obvious that this will not be the case and that we are a''selling''club and there is a''fire sale'' of our assets
As the club has miss-led me over this matter I believe that under trade description legislation I am entitled to return my ticket and obtain a full refund
I shall expect your response within 14 days after which I will contact trading standards

I have just sent this as an e-mail to SMS
Good grief - hope this is tongue in cheek! If not you are surely the most naïve person ever to post on here. We're all frustrated by the amount of departures but we're also excited about who we're going to bring in! £16m for Chambers is an amazing piece of business!

Your post actually reminds me of the guy who asked for a refund on his season tickets last season coz the club refused to wave the £1.50 parking fee. Another prize prat.

Football is a business and the fact that the club came out and said 'we are not selling' was just to drive up transfer fees. Just like MoPo said 'I'm looking forward to discussing the future with the club.' Again, nonsense.

I suspect that someone has just opened up their emails and laughed their a*se off.
I'm guessing here that you are not actually a paying fan.

That apart why do you think its ok for any big business to LIE to the customers? It is actually against the law

If you believed Reed when he said all the income would be spent on improving the squad you have an awful shock coming My guess would be no more than 50%
[quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: To Whoever it may concern Dear Sir At the end of May I renewed my season ticket for the 2014/15 season I did this in the belief that the club would NOT sell its best players and was confident that Mr Reed was going to hold players to their contracts I believed this simply because he said so It has since become obvious that this will not be the case and that we are a''selling''club and there is a''fire sale'' of our assets As the club has miss-led me over this matter I believe that under trade description legislation I am entitled to return my ticket and obtain a full refund I shall expect your response within 14 days after which I will contact trading standards I have just sent this as an e-mail to SMS[/p][/quote]Good grief - hope this is tongue in cheek! If not you are surely the most naïve person ever to post on here. We're all frustrated by the amount of departures but we're also excited about who we're going to bring in! £16m for Chambers is an amazing piece of business! Your post actually reminds me of the guy who asked for a refund on his season tickets last season coz the club refused to wave the £1.50 parking fee. Another prize prat. Football is a business and the fact that the club came out and said 'we are not selling' was just to drive up transfer fees. Just like MoPo said 'I'm looking forward to discussing the future with the club.' Again, nonsense. I suspect that someone has just opened up their emails and laughed their a*se off.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing here that you are not actually a paying fan. That apart why do you think its ok for any big business to LIE to the customers? It is actually against the law If you believed Reed when he said all the income would be spent on improving the squad you have an awful shock coming My guess would be no more than 50% Saintsayer II
  • Score: -1

4:04pm Mon 28 Jul 14

This is Southampton and we are the Saints says...

saintstu downunder wrote:
Chambers is an excellent young player, but to get 18m for him is incredible.

I'd like to add that, unlike the doom-mongers out there, I feel really excited about the season ahead. We've got an exceptional, young squad, a positive and good-football-playin

g manager and a shedload of cash to invest in some fresh blood.

To those berating the owners for the supposed 'fire-sale', remember that a few years ago we almost had no club to support. The Liebherrs can do little wrong in my mind, and, SRL aside, the recent major sales have been either forced on them/us (Lallana, Lovren) or have been where we've been able to make a major return on investment (Shaw, Chambers).

In all previous sales this season we've either had quality in the squad to come in (Targett, Clyne) or signed exciting replacements (Tadic, Pelle). I'm looking forward to a equal-or-better-than

-Lovren centre half to be signed in the coming days, and then an investment of some of the transfer money in a few more top quality players.

Keep the faith...

Up the Saints!
voting must be rigged 63 thumbs up for this rose tinted bafoon ya! Right!!!!!
Shed loads of money don't make me laugh if you think the club are going to spend even half of what we've make on the sell off! Not to mention the money Ron would have been promised when took over the managers job! Then you my friend need to wipe some of that sand out of your eyes!
If we bring in a couple more players I think we've had a good transfer window!
75% of that money is banked or paying off are dept? Will take a couple of seasons to maybe get back to where we were! Just in time to sell the next batch of players off and so it goes ?
Is it really that hard to see?
[quote][p][bold]saintstu downunder[/bold] wrote: Chambers is an excellent young player, but to get 18m for him is incredible. I'd like to add that, unlike the doom-mongers out there, I feel really excited about the season ahead. We've got an exceptional, young squad, a positive and good-football-playin g manager and a shedload of cash to invest in some fresh blood. To those berating the owners for the supposed 'fire-sale', remember that a few years ago we almost had no club to support. The Liebherrs can do little wrong in my mind, and, SRL aside, the recent major sales have been either forced on them/us (Lallana, Lovren) or have been where we've been able to make a major return on investment (Shaw, Chambers). In all previous sales this season we've either had quality in the squad to come in (Targett, Clyne) or signed exciting replacements (Tadic, Pelle). I'm looking forward to a equal-or-better-than -Lovren centre half to be signed in the coming days, and then an investment of some of the transfer money in a few more top quality players. Keep the faith... Up the Saints![/p][/quote]voting must be rigged 63 thumbs up for this rose tinted bafoon ya! Right!!!!! Shed loads of money don't make me laugh if you think the club are going to spend even half of what we've make on the sell off! Not to mention the money Ron would have been promised when took over the managers job! Then you my friend need to wipe some of that sand out of your eyes! If we bring in a couple more players I think we've had a good transfer window! 75% of that money is banked or paying off are dept? Will take a couple of seasons to maybe get back to where we were! Just in time to sell the next batch of players off and so it goes ? Is it really that hard to see? This is Southampton and we are the Saints
  • Score: 4

4:09pm Mon 28 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

Again trying to reason with the HCs has left me weary and rather sleepy. So my closing statement for today's proceedings

Firstly, the HCs need to understand that the paying punter is entitled to his or her opinion, even if you don't agree with it. Trying to bully new posters off the thread as we saw earlier is ghastly behaviour. I myself suffered this when I expressed my worries about Nigel's abilities long term.

Secondly, selling Chambers defies logic, and I'm sorry but that one's closed for debate.

Thirdly, MAYBE Warrens has been correct all along and this is KL asset stripping.

And finally, those of us who were correct all along like myself, Gaz and Warrens still haven't received our apologies from you know who for the appalling way we were treated.
Again trying to reason with the HCs has left me weary and rather sleepy. So my closing statement for today's proceedings Firstly, the HCs need to understand that the paying punter is entitled to his or her opinion, even if you don't agree with it. Trying to bully new posters off the thread as we saw earlier is ghastly behaviour. I myself suffered this when I expressed my worries about Nigel's abilities long term. Secondly, selling Chambers defies logic, and I'm sorry but that one's closed for debate. Thirdly, MAYBE Warrens has been correct all along and this is KL asset stripping. And finally, those of us who were correct all along like myself, Gaz and Warrens still haven't received our apologies from you know who for the appalling way we were treated. redandy10
  • Score: 1

4:16pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.
KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess.

As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year!
Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.
Exactly!

I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves.

As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention.
I see you you still resort to victimhood.
Yes, I I I still resort to victimhood Rising! And I see you still ask more questions that Magnus magnusson. What I love about talking saints with you is that inevitably we end up in kind of Bermuda Triangle, with you just asking question after and question and not actually stating a definitive opinion yourself.
You seem to have missed my earlier reply. You also, perhaps strategically, have not registered a great many of my posts in which I very clearly give my opinions. You seem also to have a problem with questions, and never seem to answer them. Unlike Magnus Magnusson's, my questions are not particularly difficult, so I'm left wondering why you don't want to answer them.
Lol. As I was saying Bermuda Triangle.
Still avoiding the question I see and ignoring my earlier response. The Bermuda Triangle is irrelevant. You don't seem to truly want to discuss anything.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.[/p][/quote]KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess. As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year![/p][/quote]Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.[/p][/quote]Exactly! I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves. As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention.[/p][/quote]I see you you still resort to victimhood.[/p][/quote]Yes, I I I still resort to victimhood Rising! And I see you still ask more questions that Magnus magnusson. What I love about talking saints with you is that inevitably we end up in kind of Bermuda Triangle, with you just asking question after and question and not actually stating a definitive opinion yourself.[/p][/quote]You seem to have missed my earlier reply. You also, perhaps strategically, have not registered a great many of my posts in which I very clearly give my opinions. You seem also to have a problem with questions, and never seem to answer them. Unlike Magnus Magnusson's, my questions are not particularly difficult, so I'm left wondering why you don't want to answer them.[/p][/quote]Lol. As I was saying Bermuda Triangle.[/p][/quote]Still avoiding the question I see and ignoring my earlier response. The Bermuda Triangle is irrelevant. You don't seem to truly want to discuss anything. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

4:19pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

redandy10 wrote:
Again trying to reason with the HCs has left me weary and rather sleepy. So my closing statement for today's proceedings

Firstly, the HCs need to understand that the paying punter is entitled to his or her opinion, even if you don't agree with it. Trying to bully new posters off the thread as we saw earlier is ghastly behaviour. I myself suffered this when I expressed my worries about Nigel's abilities long term.

Secondly, selling Chambers defies logic, and I'm sorry but that one's closed for debate.

Thirdly, MAYBE Warrens has been correct all along and this is KL asset stripping.

And finally, those of us who were correct all along like myself, Gaz and Warrens still haven't received our apologies from you know who for the appalling way we were treated.
Once more the victim.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: Again trying to reason with the HCs has left me weary and rather sleepy. So my closing statement for today's proceedings Firstly, the HCs need to understand that the paying punter is entitled to his or her opinion, even if you don't agree with it. Trying to bully new posters off the thread as we saw earlier is ghastly behaviour. I myself suffered this when I expressed my worries about Nigel's abilities long term. Secondly, selling Chambers defies logic, and I'm sorry but that one's closed for debate. Thirdly, MAYBE Warrens has been correct all along and this is KL asset stripping. And finally, those of us who were correct all along like myself, Gaz and Warrens still haven't received our apologies from you know who for the appalling way we were treated.[/p][/quote]Once more the victim. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

5:00pm Mon 28 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

Rising_Son wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Fellow fans,

In the interest of discovering our general sentiment, would you please take the following one-question poll that I have created:

http://vote.pollcode







.com/49543424#sthash







.OhmGuQ7b.dpuf

Thank you to those fans who have taken the poll already.
Are surprised at the results so far?
That should have read are you surprised at the results so far?
The Poll shows 88% pro Kate and the board so far, it hasn't been corrupted or infiltrated by the neggies yet, but it is capable of being that.
I hope it's not because the results are not support his hypothesis that he hasn't said anything about the poll yet. That would be very unethical.
As I've said though, you can vote as many times as you like, so I wouldn't take a great deal of notice of this poll either way. Both options, as I mentioned, are hard to agree with.

In terms of reporting on results, as any PR or club rep would tell you, even the worst results can be changed with a clever bit of spin. For instance, Buzz could say: Nearly a third of Saints fans questioned believe that the club is deliberately selling the first team squad with a view to sell the club.

Of course that's nonsense, but statistics can be spun.

It's a PR world unfortunately - notice that every Spurs player who signs says surprisingly similar things about wanting to sign for Poch and seeing the long term plan. Strangely, every player who signs for Liverpool dreamt of playing at Anfield, and every young Saints academy player who signs 'can see the club is ambitious to progress'. It's all b0llocks penned by the PR team, lazily to feed the message.

In Spurs case that is: 'our players actually rate this guy so he can't be bad, get off his back for the first three games'. Liverpool - 'look, Suarez might not want to play here, but everyone else dreams of playing for us'. Saints - 'we really are ambitious, honestly, we have a vision and players can't wait to commit to it'.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: Fellow fans, In the interest of discovering our general sentiment, would you please take the following one-question poll that I have created: http://vote.pollcode .com/49543424#sthash .OhmGuQ7b.dpuf Thank you to those fans who have taken the poll already.[/p][/quote]Are surprised at the results so far?[/p][/quote]That should have read are you surprised at the results so far?[/p][/quote]The Poll shows 88% pro Kate and the board so far, it hasn't been corrupted or infiltrated by the neggies yet, but it is capable of being that.[/p][/quote]I hope it's not because the results are not support his hypothesis that he hasn't said anything about the poll yet. That would be very unethical.[/p][/quote]As I've said though, you can vote as many times as you like, so I wouldn't take a great deal of notice of this poll either way. Both options, as I mentioned, are hard to agree with. In terms of reporting on results, as any PR or club rep would tell you, even the worst results can be changed with a clever bit of spin. For instance, Buzz could say: Nearly a third of Saints fans questioned believe that the club is deliberately selling the first team squad with a view to sell the club. Of course that's nonsense, but statistics can be spun. It's a PR world unfortunately - notice that every Spurs player who signs says surprisingly similar things about wanting to sign for Poch and seeing the long term plan. Strangely, every player who signs for Liverpool dreamt of playing at Anfield, and every young Saints academy player who signs 'can see the club is ambitious to progress'. It's all b0llocks penned by the PR team, lazily to feed the message. In Spurs case that is: 'our players actually rate this guy so he can't be bad, get off his back for the first three games'. Liverpool - 'look, Suarez might not want to play here, but everyone else dreams of playing for us'. Saints - 'we really are ambitious, honestly, we have a vision and players can't wait to commit to it'. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

5:10pm Mon 28 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.
KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess.

As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year!
Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.
Exactly!

I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves.

As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention.
I see you you still resort to victimhood.
Yes, I I I still resort to victimhood Rising! And I see you still ask more questions that Magnus magnusson. What I love about talking saints with you is that inevitably we end up in kind of Bermuda Triangle, with you just asking question after and question and not actually stating a definitive opinion yourself.
You seem to have missed my earlier reply. You also, perhaps strategically, have not registered a great many of my posts in which I very clearly give my opinions. You seem also to have a problem with questions, and never seem to answer them. Unlike Magnus Magnusson's, my questions are not particularly difficult, so I'm left wondering why you don't want to answer them.
Lol. As I was saying Bermuda Triangle.
Still avoiding the question I see and ignoring my earlier response. The Bermuda Triangle is irrelevant. You don't seem to truly want to discuss anything.
I did answer it Rising but it wasn't the answer you wanted to hear so you do what you always do and try pull the poster into some boring vortex. Sorry mate but it's got a bit old now.

Have a nice evening though! :-)
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.[/p][/quote]KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess. As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year![/p][/quote]Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.[/p][/quote]Exactly! I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves. As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention.[/p][/quote]I see you you still resort to victimhood.[/p][/quote]Yes, I I I still resort to victimhood Rising! And I see you still ask more questions that Magnus magnusson. What I love about talking saints with you is that inevitably we end up in kind of Bermuda Triangle, with you just asking question after and question and not actually stating a definitive opinion yourself.[/p][/quote]You seem to have missed my earlier reply. You also, perhaps strategically, have not registered a great many of my posts in which I very clearly give my opinions. You seem also to have a problem with questions, and never seem to answer them. Unlike Magnus Magnusson's, my questions are not particularly difficult, so I'm left wondering why you don't want to answer them.[/p][/quote]Lol. As I was saying Bermuda Triangle.[/p][/quote]Still avoiding the question I see and ignoring my earlier response. The Bermuda Triangle is irrelevant. You don't seem to truly want to discuss anything.[/p][/quote]I did answer it Rising but it wasn't the answer you wanted to hear so you do what you always do and try pull the poster into some boring vortex. Sorry mate but it's got a bit old now. Have a nice evening though! :-) redandy10
  • Score: -2

5:13pm Mon 28 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

Rising_Son wrote:
SaintJD says...
"In fact I'd imagine several positive posters ... would say they were currently not 100% happy at present, but trust the club to fix things in a responsible way."

Others might say they were currently not 100% happy at present, but hope the club fix things in a responsible way.
Yeah, that's kind of where I'm sitting. I think they call it the fence, although Les does seem to be intent on kicking me off it every few days. I'm still climbing back on though in hope of good news, fool that I am. What is it with football fans and irrational hope?
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: SaintJD says... "In fact I'd imagine several positive posters ... would say they were currently not 100% happy at present, but trust the club to fix things in a responsible way." Others might say they were currently not 100% happy at present, but hope the club fix things in a responsible way.[/p][/quote]Yeah, that's kind of where I'm sitting. I think they call it the fence, although Les does seem to be intent on kicking me off it every few days. I'm still climbing back on though in hope of good news, fool that I am. What is it with football fans and irrational hope? SaintJD
  • Score: 0

5:15pm Mon 28 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.
KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess.

As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year!
Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.
Exactly!

I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves.

As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention.
I see you you still resort to victimhood.
Yes, I I I still resort to victimhood Rising! And I see you still ask more questions that Magnus magnusson. What I love about talking saints with you is that inevitably we end up in kind of Bermuda Triangle, with you just asking question after and question and not actually stating a definitive opinion yourself.
You seem to have missed my earlier reply. You also, perhaps strategically, have not registered a great many of my posts in which I very clearly give my opinions. You seem also to have a problem with questions, and never seem to answer them. Unlike Magnus Magnusson's, my questions are not particularly difficult, so I'm left wondering why you don't want to answer them.
Lol. As I was saying Bermuda Triangle.
Still avoiding the question I see and ignoring my earlier response. The Bermuda Triangle is irrelevant. You don't seem to truly want to discuss anything.
I did answer it Rising but it wasn't the answer you wanted to hear so you do what you always do and try pull the poster into some boring vortex. Sorry mate but it's got a bit old now.

Have a nice evening though! :-)
From experience of this thread, that kind of 'signing off, argument over' comment is usually followed by the argument continuing for at least three more hours.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.[/p][/quote]KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess. As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year![/p][/quote]Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.[/p][/quote]Exactly! I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves. As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention.[/p][/quote]I see you you still resort to victimhood.[/p][/quote]Yes, I I I still resort to victimhood Rising! And I see you still ask more questions that Magnus magnusson. What I love about talking saints with you is that inevitably we end up in kind of Bermuda Triangle, with you just asking question after and question and not actually stating a definitive opinion yourself.[/p][/quote]You seem to have missed my earlier reply. You also, perhaps strategically, have not registered a great many of my posts in which I very clearly give my opinions. You seem also to have a problem with questions, and never seem to answer them. Unlike Magnus Magnusson's, my questions are not particularly difficult, so I'm left wondering why you don't want to answer them.[/p][/quote]Lol. As I was saying Bermuda Triangle.[/p][/quote]Still avoiding the question I see and ignoring my earlier response. The Bermuda Triangle is irrelevant. You don't seem to truly want to discuss anything.[/p][/quote]I did answer it Rising but it wasn't the answer you wanted to hear so you do what you always do and try pull the poster into some boring vortex. Sorry mate but it's got a bit old now. Have a nice evening though! :-)[/p][/quote]From experience of this thread, that kind of 'signing off, argument over' comment is usually followed by the argument continuing for at least three more hours. SaintJD
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6:55pm Mon 28 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business!
I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder.
I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel?
If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job!
Well said!
Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping!
The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything.

This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?
Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around.

SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.
KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess.

As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year!
Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.
Exactly!

I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves.

As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention.
I see you you still resort to victimhood.
Yes, I I I still resort to victimhood Rising! And I see you still ask more questions that Magnus magnusson. What I love about talking saints with you is that inevitably we end up in kind of Bermuda Triangle, with you just asking question after and question and not actually stating a definitive opinion yourself.
You seem to have missed my earlier reply. You also, perhaps strategically, have not registered a great many of my posts in which I very clearly give my opinions. You seem also to have a problem with questions, and never seem to answer them. Unlike Magnus Magnusson's, my questions are not particularly difficult, so I'm left wondering why you don't want to answer them.
Lol. As I was saying Bermuda Triangle.
Still avoiding the question I see and ignoring my earlier response. The Bermuda Triangle is irrelevant. You don't seem to truly want to discuss anything.
I did answer it Rising but it wasn't the answer you wanted to hear so you do what you always do and try pull the poster into some boring vortex. Sorry mate but it's got a bit old now.

Have a nice evening though! :-)
From experience of this thread, that kind of 'signing off, argument over' comment is usually followed by the argument continuing for at least three more hours.
No it doesn't!........:o)
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: Seems like the site has been occupied by the happy clappers that believe what is going on is just standard football business! I can't believe some of the statements made. Bottom line we are in a hell of a mess and unless something radically different changes over the next 2 weeks we will be relegation fodder. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to constant bad news with no info coming from Les Reid and the board. Do they have so much contempt for us that they care what we think or feel? If they are trying to run Saints like a business they are doing a pretty crap job![/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]Totally agree - in the situation we're in, the happy-clappers are not helping![/p][/quote]The majority of FANS are sick of what's going on, but the happy clappers and their support for Les and co is sending the message that WE the fans will go with the flow. Thus sending the board the message to carry on with the player sales, we'll swallow anything. This behaviour is what you'd expect from a skate, rubbing his hands at the prospect of causing a bit of mischief and contributing to our demise. So if the happy clappers ARE indeed Saints fans, what exactly are they playing at? Are they not bothered that we were so close to hitting the big time, only to see it go up in smoke? Are they not bothered if we get relegated?[/p][/quote]Now pick up your rattle and get back into the pram.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Is that a little fly I hear buzzing around. SPEAK UP ARFER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]And what are "we the fans" going to do exactly? Throw a tantrum because professionals are running the club differently to how we amateurs would like? Scream about relegation because being able to say "I told you so" matters more than supporting the club? Make up "facts" and attribute fictional motives to people we've never met? Oh, hang on, you're already doing it on our behalf.[/p][/quote]KL is calling the shots. If she wants Les and Ralph out, they're gone. How exactly is she a professional. She was the one that butted heads with NC and started this whole mess. As for the I told you so part, when you give an opinion and receive personal abuse from some posters, you are going to want to tell them, hey I was right. One of those who gave me flack created a poster to stalk and abuse me over an entire year![/p][/quote]Krüger has admitted that he and Les were learning their jobs - they are hardly any more qualified than the average fan except the fans care about Saints.[/p][/quote]Exactly! I've tried several times to enter into a meaningful debate with the happy clappers, with the intention of schooling them about all things football, but it's impossible. Lately I have avoided it because to be honest they leave me feeling more than a little fatigued. That's why they keep getting everything wrong, they don't LISTEN! So in the end up you have to give up on them and let them go ahead and make fools of themselves. As for the buzzing sound, you'll get use to him. Most of us try to ignore his cries for attention.[/p][/quote]I see you you still resort to victimhood.[/p][/quote]Yes, I I I still resort to victimhood Rising! And I see you still ask more questions that Magnus magnusson. What I love about talking saints with you is that inevitably we end up in kind of Bermuda Triangle, with you just asking question after and question and not actually stating a definitive opinion yourself.[/p][/quote]You seem to have missed my earlier reply. You also, perhaps strategically, have not registered a great many of my posts in which I very clearly give my opinions. You seem also to have a problem with questions, and never seem to answer them. Unlike Magnus Magnusson's, my questions are not particularly difficult, so I'm left wondering why you don't want to answer them.[/p][/quote]Lol. As I was saying Bermuda Triangle.[/p][/quote]Still avoiding the question I see and ignoring my earlier response. The Bermuda Triangle is irrelevant. You don't seem to truly want to discuss anything.[/p][/quote]I did answer it Rising but it wasn't the answer you wanted to hear so you do what you always do and try pull the poster into some boring vortex. Sorry mate but it's got a bit old now. Have a nice evening though! :-)[/p][/quote]From experience of this thread, that kind of 'signing off, argument over' comment is usually followed by the argument continuing for at least three more hours.[/p][/quote]No it doesn't!........:o) J7junctionseven
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7:21pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
Enrico Palazzo wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
To Whoever it may concern

Dear Sir
At the end of May I renewed my season ticket for the 2014/15 season I did this in the belief that the club would NOT sell its best players and was confident that Mr Reed was going to hold players to their contracts I believed this simply because he said so
It has since become obvious that this will not be the case and that we are a''selling''club and there is a''fire sale'' of our assets
As the club has miss-led me over this matter I believe that under trade description legislation I am entitled to return my ticket and obtain a full refund
I shall expect your response within 14 days after which I will contact trading standards

I have just sent this as an e-mail to SMS
Good grief - hope this is tongue in cheek! If not you are surely the most naïve person ever to post on here. We're all frustrated by the amount of departures but we're also excited about who we're going to bring in! £16m for Chambers is an amazing piece of business!

Your post actually reminds me of the guy who asked for a refund on his season tickets last season coz the club refused to wave the £1.50 parking fee. Another prize prat.

Football is a business and the fact that the club came out and said 'we are not selling' was just to drive up transfer fees. Just like MoPo said 'I'm looking forward to discussing the future with the club.' Again, nonsense.

I suspect that someone has just opened up their emails and laughed their a*se off.
I'm guessing here that you are not actually a paying fan.

That apart why do you think its ok for any big business to LIE to the customers? It is actually against the law

If you believed Reed when he said all the income would be spent on improving the squad you have an awful shock coming My guess would be no more than 50%
Up until Reed's statement about an hour ago I would have whole-heartedly disagreed, but now I suspect I could be wrong.

For what it's worth I have paid on renewal day every year since 1988 when I saw Alan Shearer's hat-trick debut in my first game. Hooked ever since! (although the early days it wasn't technically 'me' paying)
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: To Whoever it may concern Dear Sir At the end of May I renewed my season ticket for the 2014/15 season I did this in the belief that the club would NOT sell its best players and was confident that Mr Reed was going to hold players to their contracts I believed this simply because he said so It has since become obvious that this will not be the case and that we are a''selling''club and there is a''fire sale'' of our assets As the club has miss-led me over this matter I believe that under trade description legislation I am entitled to return my ticket and obtain a full refund I shall expect your response within 14 days after which I will contact trading standards I have just sent this as an e-mail to SMS[/p][/quote]Good grief - hope this is tongue in cheek! If not you are surely the most naïve person ever to post on here. We're all frustrated by the amount of departures but we're also excited about who we're going to bring in! £16m for Chambers is an amazing piece of business! Your post actually reminds me of the guy who asked for a refund on his season tickets last season coz the club refused to wave the £1.50 parking fee. Another prize prat. Football is a business and the fact that the club came out and said 'we are not selling' was just to drive up transfer fees. Just like MoPo said 'I'm looking forward to discussing the future with the club.' Again, nonsense. I suspect that someone has just opened up their emails and laughed their a*se off.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing here that you are not actually a paying fan. That apart why do you think its ok for any big business to LIE to the customers? It is actually against the law If you believed Reed when he said all the income would be spent on improving the squad you have an awful shock coming My guess would be no more than 50%[/p][/quote]Up until Reed's statement about an hour ago I would have whole-heartedly disagreed, but now I suspect I could be wrong. For what it's worth I have paid on renewal day every year since 1988 when I saw Alan Shearer's hat-trick debut in my first game. Hooked ever since! (although the early days it wasn't technically 'me' paying) Enrico Palazzo
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