ECHO COMMENT: Saints must move to head off fans' mutiny

Les Reed

Les Reed

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Saints have entered five weeks that could well define their season.

The countdown to the closing of the transfer window normally starts to gather pace in the final hours before it slams shut, but in Saints’ case the clock is ticking louder and louder every day.

Whatever the debates over the rights and wrongs of the decision to sell so many of last season’s stand out players this summer, there is one thing over which there can be no argument – Saints need some signings in the door. And fast.

Before the end of last season, before we knew so many players would depart St Mary’s for pastures new this summer, we were already talking of the need for three or four more quality signings just to give the club the chance to stand still.

There were a few areas in which even that squad were clearly short and needed strengthening. Even Mauricio Pochettino, who preferred to work with a small squad, said on several occasions the pool from which he had to select from lacked sufficient depth.

Since then Adam Lallana, Luke Shaw, Rickie Lambert, Dejan Lovren and Calum Chambers have all disappeared, while even the likes of Guly do Prado, hardly a first team starter but a regular sub, has gone too. It’s not a colossal loss but another body out the door.

Only Dusan Tadic and Graziano Pelle have come in. To say that is not enough is the understatement of the year.

Saints have looked to be on the back foot over all of this.

They seem able to sell players quickly but bringing them appears a painstaking process as negotiations drag on interminably.

That needs to change.

Even assuming nobody else goes, and at this point in time that does feel like a very optimistic assumption, they probably still need half a dozen players.

They also need some proven Premier League quality.

They have lost a huge amount of top level experience and knowhow this summer and it has to be replaced.

Saints cannot get by only signing players foreign players who have not played in the division before. Experienced Premier League players might well cost more but the club have brought in plenty of money.

They will also be wary of blowing the lid off of a wage structure, afraid it will unsettle ‘The Southampton Way’.

But most fans never want to hear the club utter that phrase again. ‘The Southampton Way’ as it was explained is not what has happened this summer and the sooner the club ditch that cringe worthy catchphrase the better. It is too reactionary to say Saints will struggle next season, but Ronald Koeman has to have some time to work with a near full squad.

It is absolutely vital given the structure of the fixture list that Saints get off to a good start and this pre-season already looks disjointed enough.

There have been calls for members of the board to come out and give interviews to reassure the fans.

But what will truly ease the fans’ nerves is to make some signings.

Saints have been made to look somewhat naive in their handling of this summer – by other clubs and their own wantaway players – and that needs to change.

If Saints are to prevent the next season from feeling like a very long and arduous one, then they need to make the coming days and weeks count like never before.

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8:03am Tue 29 Jul 14

Little Hitler says...

Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so).

The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for.

What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly.

My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation).

In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice.

With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only.

So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it!

So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus.

I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game.

The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right.

Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us.

I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did.

I still have faith, just.
Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so). The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for. What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly. My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation). In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice. With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only. So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it! So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus. I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game. The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right. Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us. I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did. I still have faith, just. Little Hitler
  • Score: 292

8:04am Tue 29 Jul 14

Ozmosis says...

You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective:

http://www.hat-trick
.fr/southampton-est-
en-vente/

As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved.
You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective: http://www.hat-trick .fr/southampton-est- en-vente/ As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved. Ozmosis
  • Score: -27

8:08am Tue 29 Jul 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

Everything MUST GO , sale sale sale . And the ANSWER s from the BOARD has not STOPPED the player s leaving , or even new signings arriving . Dont PANIC !!!
Revolt and disbelief , not a MUTINY . You Les , Ralph and Kat have KICKED every saints supporter fully . A great season closes and is wiped out in WEEKS , by the BAGS BEING PACKED at St Mary s , AND ITS not over yet , The vulture s are circling ready to pick up anything left . We have been RAPED . The FAITH has long since gone
Everything MUST GO , sale sale sale . And the ANSWER s from the BOARD has not STOPPED the player s leaving , or even new signings arriving . Dont PANIC !!! Revolt and disbelief , not a MUTINY . You Les , Ralph and Kat have KICKED every saints supporter fully . A great season closes and is wiped out in WEEKS , by the BAGS BEING PACKED at St Mary s , AND ITS not over yet , The vulture s are circling ready to pick up anything left . We have been RAPED . The FAITH has long since gone SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: -15

8:08am Tue 29 Jul 14

arthur boutfaith says...

Little Hitler wrote:
Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so).

The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for.

What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly.

My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation).

In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice.

With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only.

So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it!

So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus.

I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game.

The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right.

Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us.

I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did.

I still have faith, just.
Brilliantly written.
You're too good to get a job for this rag.
[quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so). The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for. What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly. My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation). In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice. With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only. So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it! So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus. I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game. The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right. Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us. I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did. I still have faith, just.[/p][/quote]Brilliantly written. You're too good to get a job for this rag. arthur boutfaith
  • Score: 89

8:11am Tue 29 Jul 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

I'm glad I'm a lot more positive than quite a few other people around here.

I think we're going to have an awesome season.

not only that, if you want to sell a club you do it when the club has lots of value, not piece by piece.

my bed is dry.
I'm glad I'm a lot more positive than quite a few other people around here. I think we're going to have an awesome season. not only that, if you want to sell a club you do it when the club has lots of value, not piece by piece. my bed is dry. Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 42

8:12am Tue 29 Jul 14

BarnetSaint says...

In the cold light of day, our best hope is that she does sell the club, to someone with the passion, commitment and financial clout to realise the fantastic potential we have.
She is deconstructing all of the good work of her father and the sooner she leaves, taking the utter buffoons ( notably reed and the ice hockey bloke) mismanaging our affairs the better.
Our immediate goal are quality signings and to somehow survive this season , which is looking more unlikely by the day.
But we will bounce back.
In the cold light of day, our best hope is that she does sell the club, to someone with the passion, commitment and financial clout to realise the fantastic potential we have. She is deconstructing all of the good work of her father and the sooner she leaves, taking the utter buffoons ( notably reed and the ice hockey bloke) mismanaging our affairs the better. Our immediate goal are quality signings and to somehow survive this season , which is looking more unlikely by the day. But we will bounce back. BarnetSaint
  • Score: -43

8:19am Tue 29 Jul 14

saint61 says...

Les Reed you were crap when at Charlton an you're even worse here. PLEASE GET OFF OUR BUS !!!
Les Reed you were crap when at Charlton an you're even worse here. PLEASE GET OFF OUR BUS !!! saint61
  • Score: 7

8:29am Tue 29 Jul 14

Jimmy Squall says...

.and it's all shop window. All shop window FC. Cos we're by far the greatest shop window the world has ever seen
.and it's all shop window. All shop window FC. Cos we're by far the greatest shop window the world has ever seen Jimmy Squall
  • Score: 19

8:35am Tue 29 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Good morning on this bright new day. We sold anyone yet?
Good morning on this bright new day. We sold anyone yet? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 23

8:36am Tue 29 Jul 14

SnapperSaint says...

Well done Echo again today for publishing an article that is reflective not sensationalist, keep it up.
However, why is it that we have to rely on the excellent postings from the people that come onto this site (well done Little Hitler) to get a calm and considered summary of what might be happening at the club, the last we heard from the club itself was Les Reed justifying yet another player sale.
If Saints were a public company the shareholders would be demanding some kind of statement from the board about what is going on, well fans are like shareholders and we demand to know what is happening!
Come on Saints give the Echo some real news to report, I think we all deserve it!
Well done Echo again today for publishing an article that is reflective not sensationalist, keep it up. However, why is it that we have to rely on the excellent postings from the people that come onto this site (well done Little Hitler) to get a calm and considered summary of what might be happening at the club, the last we heard from the club itself was Les Reed justifying yet another player sale. If Saints were a public company the shareholders would be demanding some kind of statement from the board about what is going on, well fans are like shareholders and we demand to know what is happening! Come on Saints give the Echo some real news to report, I think we all deserve it! SnapperSaint
  • Score: 45

8:36am Tue 29 Jul 14

St.Yorkie says...

Heart of the team ripped out?
Seems to me as someone already pointed out Lambert was an integral part of the "Southampton Way" and with him the loyalty and team ethic left!
Can't blame players or Katrina cashing in for £millions. Makes the £13m for the club 5-years ago look a very sound investment. Look at the returns from last year alone. What was it? £63-million from SKY and another £70-million+ for players this summer alone!
The trouble is the next level requires serious money - and trying not to be too sexist - it's a mans game! She inherited her fathers legacy and far from letting Cortese run amok reigned him in!
We move on.
Heart of the team ripped out? Seems to me as someone already pointed out Lambert was an integral part of the "Southampton Way" and with him the loyalty and team ethic left! Can't blame players or Katrina cashing in for £millions. Makes the £13m for the club 5-years ago look a very sound investment. Look at the returns from last year alone. What was it? £63-million from SKY and another £70-million+ for players this summer alone! The trouble is the next level requires serious money - and trying not to be too sexist - it's a mans game! She inherited her fathers legacy and far from letting Cortese run amok reigned him in! We move on. St.Yorkie
  • Score: 6

8:39am Tue 29 Jul 14

Terry_Nutkins says...

Sad times at St Mary's. Krueger seems to have been brought in to find a new buyer while asset stripping the club. Meanwhile, Les Reed keeps spouting utter tripe that insults the intelligence of all fans. No chance of any sincerity coming from Southampton FC. I understand why the players now want to leave. If you can't speak the truth Les, just shut up, have some self respect & don't make yourself look an utter clown. What bothers me most is how businesses either say nothing to their customer base, or outright lie and expect us to keep swallowing this insulting disrespect.

Cortese's project was based on a business plan with targeted investment with the aims of improving the football club and by doing so increasing the value of the club and playing assets by a greater sum to which the club invested. Cortese seems to have executed this strategy extremely well and well ahead of schedule at which point, I believe, Katharina decided to cash in on her assets, subject to advice no doubt. Krueger masquerading as a managing Chairman to the fans but, allegedly, acting as an instigator in finding a new investor to take the club’s ownership from Kat Liebherr.


Cortese felt he could complete his plans and that ambition had more fruits to bear (which it likely did until this transfer window) this year, possibly finding new investment himself and taking ownership from Katharina. To do so he needed funds to continue executing this master plan. Financially, upon Markus’ will being finally executed, Katharina - as the main beneficiary (inheriting the club) - was now in sole control of the club and subsequent funds. She saw this further financial outlay as a gamble with her inheritance which was not guaranteed.

Cortese is rumoured to have offered to buy the club with investment promised by others but Katharina may have thought his offer did not fully value the club and her advisors may have influenced against this sale. The players and the manager had their doubts about her and her advisors regarding their strategy, ambitions and commitment for the club. Hence the manager and players exodus and the unsavoury position we are in today.

RIP Southampton FC. Years of great work, coaching, scouting & otherwise, eradicated in a single transfer window. Money really has ruined the game I used to love.
Sad times at St Mary's. Krueger seems to have been brought in to find a new buyer while asset stripping the club. Meanwhile, Les Reed keeps spouting utter tripe that insults the intelligence of all fans. No chance of any sincerity coming from Southampton FC. I understand why the players now want to leave. If you can't speak the truth Les, just shut up, have some self respect & don't make yourself look an utter clown. What bothers me most is how businesses either say nothing to their customer base, or outright lie and expect us to keep swallowing this insulting disrespect. Cortese's project was based on a business plan with targeted investment with the aims of improving the football club and by doing so increasing the value of the club and playing assets by a greater sum to which the club invested. Cortese seems to have executed this strategy extremely well and well ahead of schedule at which point, I believe, Katharina decided to cash in on her assets, subject to advice no doubt. Krueger masquerading as a managing Chairman to the fans but, allegedly, acting as an instigator in finding a new investor to take the club’s ownership from Kat Liebherr. Cortese felt he could complete his plans and that ambition had more fruits to bear (which it likely did until this transfer window) this year, possibly finding new investment himself and taking ownership from Katharina. To do so he needed funds to continue executing this master plan. Financially, upon Markus’ will being finally executed, Katharina - as the main beneficiary (inheriting the club) - was now in sole control of the club and subsequent funds. She saw this further financial outlay as a gamble with her inheritance which was not guaranteed. Cortese is rumoured to have offered to buy the club with investment promised by others but Katharina may have thought his offer did not fully value the club and her advisors may have influenced against this sale. The players and the manager had their doubts about her and her advisors regarding their strategy, ambitions and commitment for the club. Hence the manager and players exodus and the unsavoury position we are in today. RIP Southampton FC. Years of great work, coaching, scouting & otherwise, eradicated in a single transfer window. Money really has ruined the game I used to love. Terry_Nutkins
  • Score: 47

8:42am Tue 29 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

I posted back when NC went that an almighty row had been brewing between him and her over some 18 months…

Marcus a German industrialist self made billionaire entrusted NC with the club, he succeeded beyond anyones wildest dreams and as for return on investment, well, it is plain to see.

Katerina has no such passion or flair, she has never earned a penny in her life and has the dead hand of Swiss meanness through her bones, something I said at the time.

The media and our own small thinking fans believe it was all a ridiculuous dream and we could never aspire to break into the top 4, firstly Porto, Atletico Madrid, Bilbao have all supped at the top table, it is do able, moreover what are dreams for, if we and say 88 other clubs are to accept
we can never join them then we should all throw the towel in now.

Putting greed of our own people to one side the FA need to make football a sport again, fat chance in their own way they are just as corrupt as FIFA just not as obvious, in thrall to the Prem, Sky and global revenues…

There have been player strikes before but I think all clubs outside of the top 6 should boycott the current set up, if the top 6 only play each other every week it will become pretty boring and as few can travel around Europe a permanent super league would not have the atmosphere either.

I am accepting that we are going back to league 1, I am also accepting that the one and only chance to be a bigger club has gone….if I met this board I would rip them a new one..Lowe was low but he did not have the luxury of a 200+ million asset to play with, for this board there is no excuse.
I posted back when NC went that an almighty row had been brewing between him and her over some 18 months… Marcus a German industrialist self made billionaire entrusted NC with the club, he succeeded beyond anyones wildest dreams and as for return on investment, well, it is plain to see. Katerina has no such passion or flair, she has never earned a penny in her life and has the dead hand of Swiss meanness through her bones, something I said at the time. The media and our own small thinking fans believe it was all a ridiculuous dream and we could never aspire to break into the top 4, firstly Porto, Atletico Madrid, Bilbao have all supped at the top table, it is do able, moreover what are dreams for, if we and say 88 other clubs are to accept we can never join them then we should all throw the towel in now. Putting greed of our own people to one side the FA need to make football a sport again, fat chance in their own way they are just as corrupt as FIFA just not as obvious, in thrall to the Prem, Sky and global revenues… There have been player strikes before but I think all clubs outside of the top 6 should boycott the current set up, if the top 6 only play each other every week it will become pretty boring and as few can travel around Europe a permanent super league would not have the atmosphere either. I am accepting that we are going back to league 1, I am also accepting that the one and only chance to be a bigger club has gone….if I met this board I would rip them a new one..Lowe was low but he did not have the luxury of a 200+ million asset to play with, for this board there is no excuse. warrens 76
  • Score: 11

8:43am Tue 29 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

If ever we needed to sign a player, or two, its in the next couple of days. So come saints shows us that you can turn this around and put some people's worries to bed!
We as fans and supporters need to bet behind the players that will be puling the shirts on. snipping at them will not be good for, what must be already, rock bottom team morale. We have seen what has happened at other clubs when fans protest at games, so our players new and old need to know that we are 100% behind them!
If ever we needed to sign a player, or two, its in the next couple of days. So come saints shows us that you can turn this around and put some people's worries to bed! We as fans and supporters need to bet behind the players that will be puling the shirts on. snipping at them will not be good for, what must be already, rock bottom team morale. We have seen what has happened at other clubs when fans protest at games, so our players new and old need to know that we are 100% behind them! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 18

8:48am Tue 29 Jul 14

lambo83 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Good morning on this bright new day. We sold anyone yet?
The negativity on this page is unbelievable, STOP BEING SO NEGATIVE.

We're not selling today, les and Ralph are busy running the led floodlights into the scrappy.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Good morning on this bright new day. We sold anyone yet?[/p][/quote]The negativity on this page is unbelievable, STOP BEING SO NEGATIVE. We're not selling today, les and Ralph are busy running the led floodlights into the scrappy. lambo83
  • Score: 21

8:48am Tue 29 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

arthur boutfaith wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so).

The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for.

What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly.

My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation).

In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice.

With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only.

So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it!

So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus.

I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game.

The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right.

Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us.

I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did.

I still have faith, just.
Brilliantly written.
You're too good to get a job for this rag.
Wishy washy, trusting this board has got us were exactly, never in the history of football has such a team been so ripped apart when not in financial difficulty. horrific..
[quote][p][bold]arthur boutfaith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so). The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for. What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly. My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation). In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice. With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only. So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it! So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus. I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game. The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right. Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us. I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did. I still have faith, just.[/p][/quote]Brilliantly written. You're too good to get a job for this rag.[/p][/quote]Wishy washy, trusting this board has got us were exactly, never in the history of football has such a team been so ripped apart when not in financial difficulty. horrific.. warrens 76
  • Score: 18

8:48am Tue 29 Jul 14

the swinging arm of channon says...

Does Simon Carter still feel that we are still selling our players to the top clubs and shouldnt be worried? Spurs are perennial under performers and will not qualfy for champions league, possibly not even europa league.
Does Simon Carter still feel that we are still selling our players to the top clubs and shouldnt be worried? Spurs are perennial under performers and will not qualfy for champions league, possibly not even europa league. the swinging arm of channon
  • Score: 15

8:49am Tue 29 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Good morning on this bright new day. We sold anyone yet?
THE EUROPEAN DREAM IS WELL AND TRULY OVER - at least for now and the FIGHT from League one has been TORPEDOED by accidental Owner and Billionairess Katherina and Ex Ice Hockey - now Chairman Ralph Krueger.

GET ON THE TELEPHONE TO DE SPORTS SECTION - TICKET OFFICE - AND SKY TV PORTS SECTION and make your feelings known and Voices heard THIS MORNING.

PROTEST : 1 Hour before Bayer Leverkusen Game and at Brighton Away - be vocal and show that as Fans WE CARE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF THIS CLUB.

COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Good morning on this bright new day. We sold anyone yet?[/p][/quote]THE EUROPEAN DREAM IS WELL AND TRULY OVER - at least for now and the FIGHT from League one has been TORPEDOED by accidental Owner and Billionairess Katherina and Ex Ice Hockey - now Chairman Ralph Krueger. GET ON THE TELEPHONE TO DE SPORTS SECTION - TICKET OFFICE - AND SKY TV PORTS SECTION and make your feelings known and Voices heard THIS MORNING. PROTEST : 1 Hour before Bayer Leverkusen Game and at Brighton Away - be vocal and show that as Fans WE CARE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF THIS CLUB. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 9

8:49am Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Gadzooks Carruthers, it would appear that the natives are revolting.
Gadzooks Carruthers, it would appear that the natives are revolting. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 8

8:50am Tue 29 Jul 14

Spanish Santo says...

Fantastic statement by little hitler...well said. I think that you are spot on. The "fans" that are doubting the board need to realise that we are not looking for instant success and when the club was taken over it was clearly stated that we were investing in youth and facilities to become a self sufficient club that would not run into debt for a piece of silverware or champions league football. We all kbow what happens to a club if they try to punch above their weight to soon. We all need to keep the faith and see what the next five years brings...not five minutes of the first game of the season. With all the money we are recieving, I would like to see it reinvested into the stadium, facilities etc....not only overpaid mercenaries. The fact that we are producing our own kit is fantastic as it takes out the middle man and ensures that the money goes straight back to the club and not into a multinational that does not even recognise our brand. We need to stay strong as a club and keep the faith. If the board do make a statement it should be to outline our objectives for the next five years. Stay strong and COYR's
Fantastic statement by little hitler...well said. I think that you are spot on. The "fans" that are doubting the board need to realise that we are not looking for instant success and when the club was taken over it was clearly stated that we were investing in youth and facilities to become a self sufficient club that would not run into debt for a piece of silverware or champions league football. We all kbow what happens to a club if they try to punch above their weight to soon. We all need to keep the faith and see what the next five years brings...not five minutes of the first game of the season. With all the money we are recieving, I would like to see it reinvested into the stadium, facilities etc....not only overpaid mercenaries. The fact that we are producing our own kit is fantastic as it takes out the middle man and ensures that the money goes straight back to the club and not into a multinational that does not even recognise our brand. We need to stay strong as a club and keep the faith. If the board do make a statement it should be to outline our objectives for the next five years. Stay strong and COYR's Spanish Santo
  • Score: 18

8:50am Tue 29 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

arthur boutfaith wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so).

The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for.

What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly.

My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation).

In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice.

With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only.

So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it!

So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus.

I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game.

The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right.

Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us.

I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did.

I still have faith, just.
Brilliantly written.
You're too good to get a job for this rag.
arthur boutfaith = Osprey Saint on a different log in. COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]arthur boutfaith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so). The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for. What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly. My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation). In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice. With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only. So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it! So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus. I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game. The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right. Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us. I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did. I still have faith, just.[/p][/quote]Brilliantly written. You're too good to get a job for this rag.[/p][/quote]arthur boutfaith = Osprey Saint on a different log in. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -9

8:51am Tue 29 Jul 14

SNUGGLES 78 says...

Truth is the sky bubble will burst , any astute club owner will cash in before it does , all players will be sold,bank on it.
Truth is the sky bubble will burst , any astute club owner will cash in before it does , all players will be sold,bank on it. SNUGGLES 78
  • Score: 7

8:51am Tue 29 Jul 14

St Forlife says...

warrens 76 wrote:
I posted back when NC went that an almighty row had been brewing between him and her over some 18 months…

Marcus a German industrialist self made billionaire entrusted NC with the club, he succeeded beyond anyones wildest dreams and as for return on investment, well, it is plain to see.

Katerina has no such passion or flair, she has never earned a penny in her life and has the dead hand of Swiss meanness through her bones, something I said at the time.

The media and our own small thinking fans believe it was all a ridiculuous dream and we could never aspire to break into the top 4, firstly Porto, Atletico Madrid, Bilbao have all supped at the top table, it is do able, moreover what are dreams for, if we and say 88 other clubs are to accept
we can never join them then we should all throw the towel in now.

Putting greed of our own people to one side the FA need to make football a sport again, fat chance in their own way they are just as corrupt as FIFA just not as obvious, in thrall to the Prem, Sky and global revenues…

There have been player strikes before but I think all clubs outside of the top 6 should boycott the current set up, if the top 6 only play each other every week it will become pretty boring and as few can travel around Europe a permanent super league would not have the atmosphere either.

I am accepting that we are going back to league 1, I am also accepting that the one and only chance to be a bigger club has gone….if I met this board I would rip them a new one..Lowe was low but he did not have the luxury of a 200+ million asset to play with, for this board there is no excuse.
I agree a lot with the above - Let the top 6 self centred egotystical clubs go off an play in a super champions league.

They can play each other 4 times a year and have their fans travel 100 miles by plane for each away game. They can have some of their home games played in the States and in Asia too and the sooner this happens the better. They can operate a franchise with no relegation or promotion too.

Then we can start to get back to the real world and have a league where the rest of us start to have a football competition again
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: I posted back when NC went that an almighty row had been brewing between him and her over some 18 months… Marcus a German industrialist self made billionaire entrusted NC with the club, he succeeded beyond anyones wildest dreams and as for return on investment, well, it is plain to see. Katerina has no such passion or flair, she has never earned a penny in her life and has the dead hand of Swiss meanness through her bones, something I said at the time. The media and our own small thinking fans believe it was all a ridiculuous dream and we could never aspire to break into the top 4, firstly Porto, Atletico Madrid, Bilbao have all supped at the top table, it is do able, moreover what are dreams for, if we and say 88 other clubs are to accept we can never join them then we should all throw the towel in now. Putting greed of our own people to one side the FA need to make football a sport again, fat chance in their own way they are just as corrupt as FIFA just not as obvious, in thrall to the Prem, Sky and global revenues… There have been player strikes before but I think all clubs outside of the top 6 should boycott the current set up, if the top 6 only play each other every week it will become pretty boring and as few can travel around Europe a permanent super league would not have the atmosphere either. I am accepting that we are going back to league 1, I am also accepting that the one and only chance to be a bigger club has gone….if I met this board I would rip them a new one..Lowe was low but he did not have the luxury of a 200+ million asset to play with, for this board there is no excuse.[/p][/quote]I agree a lot with the above - Let the top 6 self centred egotystical clubs go off an play in a super champions league. They can play each other 4 times a year and have their fans travel 100 miles by plane for each away game. They can have some of their home games played in the States and in Asia too and the sooner this happens the better. They can operate a franchise with no relegation or promotion too. Then we can start to get back to the real world and have a league where the rest of us start to have a football competition again St Forlife
  • Score: 31

8:52am Tue 29 Jul 14

TGodSFC says...

Funny how last night any negative comments towards Les Reed we met with tens of thumbs up and this morning anything said in the same light is getting thumbs down.

I’m still absolutely fuming and the icing on the cake for me is Morgan and Jay being sold, in my opinion our two best players.

I want answers; I want to know if the rumours that emerged in the French press last night (that the club was unofficially up for sale) are true.

I’m trying to reserve my judgment but our board and owner are making it very difficult.
Funny how last night any negative comments towards Les Reed we met with tens of thumbs up and this morning anything said in the same light is getting thumbs down. I’m still absolutely fuming and the icing on the cake for me is Morgan and Jay being sold, in my opinion our two best players. I want answers; I want to know if the rumours that emerged in the French press last night (that the club was unofficially up for sale) are true. I’m trying to reserve my judgment but our board and owner are making it very difficult. TGodSFC
  • Score: 31

8:53am Tue 29 Jul 14

lambo83 says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
I'm glad I'm a lot more positive than quite a few other people around here.

I think we're going to have an awesome season.

not only that, if you want to sell a club you do it when the club has lots of value, not piece by piece.

my bed is dry.
I think we've sold far too many, won't be able to attract anyone of note, have missed out on targets we should have signed, should have been more robust with our outgoing players and the clubs coming in for them, should have waited longer into the window, or at least until we had a replacement in. We've wiped out 5 years of hard work in a few months.

My bed is dry too though.
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: I'm glad I'm a lot more positive than quite a few other people around here. I think we're going to have an awesome season. not only that, if you want to sell a club you do it when the club has lots of value, not piece by piece. my bed is dry.[/p][/quote]I think we've sold far too many, won't be able to attract anyone of note, have missed out on targets we should have signed, should have been more robust with our outgoing players and the clubs coming in for them, should have waited longer into the window, or at least until we had a replacement in. We've wiped out 5 years of hard work in a few months. My bed is dry too though. lambo83
  • Score: 18

8:53am Tue 29 Jul 14

Alicesdad says...

Saw an advert on the Tube this morning for the Imperial War Museum commemorating the centenary of WW1. Since then there's a phrase that keeps going through my mind.

It'll all be over by Christmas.
Saw an advert on the Tube this morning for the Imperial War Museum commemorating the centenary of WW1. Since then there's a phrase that keeps going through my mind. It'll all be over by Christmas. Alicesdad
  • Score: 21

8:54am Tue 29 Jul 14

pitbull says...

I've been behind the board, been quite calm and understanding about the sale of our players. Each and every one of them has a logical reason for being sold.

BUT,, If Les Reed allows JRod and Morgan to Spurs I will definitely turn.
On no account should any of our players be allowed to reunite with the previous manager directly from Saints.

Morgan has said that he needs European football to cement his place in the International team. He was being kept out of that team by a player from Newcastle who have not exactly been a force in Europe, it doesn't add up.

I've not been one to demand this and that from the board but I really do think it's time some sort of statement is made as to the reasons why so many players don't want to play for Southampton.

Perhaps one of the players might spill the beans on whats going on in the club.
The Echo should have a chat with Adam Blackmore, he was close to the players.
I've been behind the board, been quite calm and understanding about the sale of our players. Each and every one of them has a logical reason for being sold. BUT,, If Les Reed allows JRod and Morgan to Spurs I will definitely turn. On no account should any of our players be allowed to reunite with the previous manager directly from Saints. Morgan has said that he needs European football to cement his place in the International team. He was being kept out of that team by a player from Newcastle who have not exactly been a force in Europe, it doesn't add up. I've not been one to demand this and that from the board but I really do think it's time some sort of statement is made as to the reasons why so many players don't want to play for Southampton. Perhaps one of the players might spill the beans on whats going on in the club. The Echo should have a chat with Adam Blackmore, he was close to the players. pitbull
  • Score: 25

8:55am Tue 29 Jul 14

Saintsayer II says...

Little Hitler Your post is excellently constructed and puts forward one possible scenario whilst ignoring others that are just as plausible Supposing Cortse was asked by Kat to oversee what is happening now ? Was that why he bailed out ? Perhaps he wanted to get us into the big time and then cash in because it seems transparent enough that cashing in is what Kat is doing now
Purchase price and transfers in amount to about £100m This summers transfers out could reach £150m added to the £85 from last season Then sell the club for a poultry £50 that gives a fantastic return on the
investment
Hopefully Cortese will be involved with the new owners because he did deliver on his promise. Much was made of the £30m transfer debt which was easily offset by the PL income which is guaranteed for 4 years with parachute payments
The last and scariest scenario is that Kat stays for 3 more years taking the parachute payments and allowing the club to return to L1 where it was when ML bought it
Little Hitler Your post is excellently constructed and puts forward one possible scenario whilst ignoring others that are just as plausible Supposing Cortse was asked by Kat to oversee what is happening now ? Was that why he bailed out ? Perhaps he wanted to get us into the big time and then cash in because it seems transparent enough that cashing in is what Kat is doing now Purchase price and transfers in amount to about £100m This summers transfers out could reach £150m added to the £85 from last season Then sell the club for a poultry £50 that gives a fantastic return on the investment Hopefully Cortese will be involved with the new owners because he did deliver on his promise. Much was made of the £30m transfer debt which was easily offset by the PL income which is guaranteed for 4 years with parachute payments The last and scariest scenario is that Kat stays for 3 more years taking the parachute payments and allowing the club to return to L1 where it was when ML bought it Saintsayer II
  • Score: 2

8:57am Tue 29 Jul 14

TGodSFC says...

St Forlife wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
I posted back when NC went that an almighty row had been brewing between him and her over some 18 months…

Marcus a German industrialist self made billionaire entrusted NC with the club, he succeeded beyond anyones wildest dreams and as for return on investment, well, it is plain to see.

Katerina has no such passion or flair, she has never earned a penny in her life and has the dead hand of Swiss meanness through her bones, something I said at the time.

The media and our own small thinking fans believe it was all a ridiculuous dream and we could never aspire to break into the top 4, firstly Porto, Atletico Madrid, Bilbao have all supped at the top table, it is do able, moreover what are dreams for, if we and say 88 other clubs are to accept
we can never join them then we should all throw the towel in now.

Putting greed of our own people to one side the FA need to make football a sport again, fat chance in their own way they are just as corrupt as FIFA just not as obvious, in thrall to the Prem, Sky and global revenues…

There have been player strikes before but I think all clubs outside of the top 6 should boycott the current set up, if the top 6 only play each other every week it will become pretty boring and as few can travel around Europe a permanent super league would not have the atmosphere either.

I am accepting that we are going back to league 1, I am also accepting that the one and only chance to be a bigger club has gone….if I met this board I would rip them a new one..Lowe was low but he did not have the luxury of a 200+ million asset to play with, for this board there is no excuse.
I agree a lot with the above - Let the top 6 self centred egotystical clubs go off an play in a super champions league.

They can play each other 4 times a year and have their fans travel 100 miles by plane for each away game. They can have some of their home games played in the States and in Asia too and the sooner this happens the better. They can operate a franchise with no relegation or promotion too.

Then we can start to get back to the real world and have a league where the rest of us start to have a football competition again
This has been talked about for years, but will never happen. It does become rather a dull affair when the same teams finish in the top 4 positions year in year out. The “FIFA fair play rule” is not really fair to the smaller clubs. Keeps the rich, rich and the poor, poor. It will only get worse in time.
[quote][p][bold]St Forlife[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: I posted back when NC went that an almighty row had been brewing between him and her over some 18 months… Marcus a German industrialist self made billionaire entrusted NC with the club, he succeeded beyond anyones wildest dreams and as for return on investment, well, it is plain to see. Katerina has no such passion or flair, she has never earned a penny in her life and has the dead hand of Swiss meanness through her bones, something I said at the time. The media and our own small thinking fans believe it was all a ridiculuous dream and we could never aspire to break into the top 4, firstly Porto, Atletico Madrid, Bilbao have all supped at the top table, it is do able, moreover what are dreams for, if we and say 88 other clubs are to accept we can never join them then we should all throw the towel in now. Putting greed of our own people to one side the FA need to make football a sport again, fat chance in their own way they are just as corrupt as FIFA just not as obvious, in thrall to the Prem, Sky and global revenues… There have been player strikes before but I think all clubs outside of the top 6 should boycott the current set up, if the top 6 only play each other every week it will become pretty boring and as few can travel around Europe a permanent super league would not have the atmosphere either. I am accepting that we are going back to league 1, I am also accepting that the one and only chance to be a bigger club has gone….if I met this board I would rip them a new one..Lowe was low but he did not have the luxury of a 200+ million asset to play with, for this board there is no excuse.[/p][/quote]I agree a lot with the above - Let the top 6 self centred egotystical clubs go off an play in a super champions league. They can play each other 4 times a year and have their fans travel 100 miles by plane for each away game. They can have some of their home games played in the States and in Asia too and the sooner this happens the better. They can operate a franchise with no relegation or promotion too. Then we can start to get back to the real world and have a league where the rest of us start to have a football competition again[/p][/quote]This has been talked about for years, but will never happen. It does become rather a dull affair when the same teams finish in the top 4 positions year in year out. The “FIFA fair play rule” is not really fair to the smaller clubs. Keeps the rich, rich and the poor, poor. It will only get worse in time. TGodSFC
  • Score: 11

8:59am Tue 29 Jul 14

AucklandSaint82 says...

Ozmosis wrote:
You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective:

http://www.hat-trick

.fr/southampton-est-

en-vente/

As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved.
Great summary little hitler ! You must have a lot of time on your hands ! Every time i browse the internet another saints player is leaving ! Come on saints sign someone with premier league experience!
[quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective: http://www.hat-trick .fr/southampton-est- en-vente/ As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved.[/p][/quote]Great summary little hitler ! You must have a lot of time on your hands ! Every time i browse the internet another saints player is leaving ! Come on saints sign someone with premier league experience! AucklandSaint82
  • Score: 2

9:01am Tue 29 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
If ever we needed to sign a player, or two, its in the next couple of days. So come saints shows us that you can turn this around and put some people's worries to bed!
We as fans and supporters need to bet behind the players that will be puling the shirts on. snipping at them will not be good for, what must be already, rock bottom team morale. We have seen what has happened at other clubs when fans protest at games, so our players new and old need to know that we are 100% behind them!
Even you who have been defending the indefensible appear to be shifting your stance!

Jesus wasn't lying to me was he?
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: If ever we needed to sign a player, or two, its in the next couple of days. So come saints shows us that you can turn this around and put some people's worries to bed! We as fans and supporters need to bet behind the players that will be puling the shirts on. snipping at them will not be good for, what must be already, rock bottom team morale. We have seen what has happened at other clubs when fans protest at games, so our players new and old need to know that we are 100% behind them![/p][/quote]Even you who have been defending the indefensible appear to be shifting your stance! Jesus wasn't lying to me was he? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 7

9:02am Tue 29 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Little Hitler wrote:
Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so).

The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for.

What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly.

My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation).

In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice.

With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only.

So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it!

So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus.

I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game.

The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right.

Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us.

I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did.

I still have faith, just.
Fantastic - want the job as chairman? The para I've pasted below is the key to the future and the only thing I can think to add to this and maybe Saints are missing a trick here is. A. Other sport related activities for brand awareness and revenue B. Non sport related activities for the same reason. Thanks again for a calm, well presented and conscise post.

"The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right.
[quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so). The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for. What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly. My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation). In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice. With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only. So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it! So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus. I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game. The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right. Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us. I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did. I still have faith, just.[/p][/quote]Fantastic - want the job as chairman? The para I've pasted below is the key to the future and the only thing I can think to add to this and maybe Saints are missing a trick here is. A. Other sport related activities for brand awareness and revenue B. Non sport related activities for the same reason. Thanks again for a calm, well presented and conscise post. "The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right. jls217
  • Score: 2

9:02am Tue 29 Jul 14

u bunch of mugs says...

God what's happened to our fan base years ago we used to be full of passion for this great club and city now it's all what what old chap happy clap and in The board we trust ****.
When will you lot learn they don't give a **** about the club they just want the money.
This would not happen at any other club cause the fans wouldn't let it. Say what you like about the blue **** down the road but at least they have passion. Fu@k that hurt to say that
God what's happened to our fan base years ago we used to be full of passion for this great club and city now it's all what what old chap happy clap and in The board we trust ****. When will you lot learn they don't give a **** about the club they just want the money. This would not happen at any other club cause the fans wouldn't let it. Say what you like about the blue **** down the road but at least they have passion. Fu@k that hurt to say that u bunch of mugs
  • Score: 15

9:06am Tue 29 Jul 14

Alicesdad says...

Apologies for early morning pessimism.

So what would I look for to raise my spirits ?

- A press conference with the whole board, including Krueger, Reed and the other bloke who nobody ever remembers. They should deliver a clear statement of intent put the rumours into perspective.
- A statement from Ron stating that he has confidence that all is under control and he will build a strong team this season.
- A clear message, delivered personally, from the owner, that the commitment to maintaining and raising our status in the EPL is still in place and that the club is not for sale.

I also want to win the lottery, visit the Moon, cure cancer and one day see the discovery of intelligent extra terrestrial life.
Apologies for early morning pessimism. So what would I look for to raise my spirits ? - A press conference with the whole board, including Krueger, Reed and the other bloke who nobody ever remembers. They should deliver a clear statement of intent put the rumours into perspective. - A statement from Ron stating that he has confidence that all is under control and he will build a strong team this season. - A clear message, delivered personally, from the owner, that the commitment to maintaining and raising our status in the EPL is still in place and that the club is not for sale. I also want to win the lottery, visit the Moon, cure cancer and one day see the discovery of intelligent extra terrestrial life. Alicesdad
  • Score: 26

9:07am Tue 29 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

A good manager will take his time and get the right players. No panic buying or chucking stupid money at average players ( Gaston, Osvaldo etc etc ). Saints will sign players but it is better to be patient than to rush into panic buying. When you look at our bench last season it was clear our squad was heavy without quality to come on and turn games.... Yes of course there was Guly and who would not want a class player like that on the bench but apart from him , we often looked options-limited. For me the player sale frenzy is happening in a small timeframe because we are willingly dancing to the other clubs (and the players) tunes because the money they are paying is frankly stupid. Thats fine. Now lets just be patient and things will unfold. Too many people are too quick to judge and guess the club strategy and yes they may well reasons for concern but the full picture has not yet emerged.
A good manager will take his time and get the right players. No panic buying or chucking stupid money at average players ( Gaston, Osvaldo etc etc ). Saints will sign players but it is better to be patient than to rush into panic buying. When you look at our bench last season it was clear our squad was heavy without quality to come on and turn games.... Yes of course there was Guly and who would not want a class player like that on the bench but apart from him , we often looked options-limited. For me the player sale frenzy is happening in a small timeframe because we are willingly dancing to the other clubs (and the players) tunes because the money they are paying is frankly stupid. Thats fine. Now lets just be patient and things will unfold. Too many people are too quick to judge and guess the club strategy and yes they may well reasons for concern but the full picture has not yet emerged. steekeemcglue
  • Score: 5

9:07am Tue 29 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Ozmosis wrote:
You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective:

http://www.hat-trick

.fr/southampton-est-

en-vente/

As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved.
I'd like to read that article Ozmosis - Is there an English language version of it avail on their site (or elsewhere) Thanks
[quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective: http://www.hat-trick .fr/southampton-est- en-vente/ As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved.[/p][/quote]I'd like to read that article Ozmosis - Is there an English language version of it avail on their site (or elsewhere) Thanks jls217
  • Score: 2

9:10am Tue 29 Jul 14

Sherborne Saint says...

St.Yorkie wrote:
Heart of the team ripped out?
Seems to me as someone already pointed out Lambert was an integral part of the "Southampton Way" and with him the loyalty and team ethic left!
Can't blame players or Katrina cashing in for £millions. Makes the £13m for the club 5-years ago look a very sound investment. Look at the returns from last year alone. What was it? £63-million from SKY and another £70-million+ for players this summer alone!
The trouble is the next level requires serious money - and trying not to be too sexist - it's a mans game! She inherited her fathers legacy and far from letting Cortese run amok reigned him in!
We move on.
I just don't understand it. My work and living location mean often this is the closest I get to physically holding the DE (even Salisbury train station no longer sell the echo). I just don't get how our city's daily paper can take such a nonsensical juxtaposition about our club and our current plight. Occasionally we have honest articulate well thought out articles then they are lifting anti Saints stories direct from the nationals and the internet and thus fanning the flames about the chaos at St Mary's. I don't want the echo to read like the 'official' Les Reed sugar coated poison pill BS. I just want the truth about what the hell is going on at our club. at the end of day Southampton Echo you are either with us or against us you can't really be both.
[quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: Heart of the team ripped out? Seems to me as someone already pointed out Lambert was an integral part of the "Southampton Way" and with him the loyalty and team ethic left! Can't blame players or Katrina cashing in for £millions. Makes the £13m for the club 5-years ago look a very sound investment. Look at the returns from last year alone. What was it? £63-million from SKY and another £70-million+ for players this summer alone! The trouble is the next level requires serious money - and trying not to be too sexist - it's a mans game! She inherited her fathers legacy and far from letting Cortese run amok reigned him in! We move on.[/p][/quote]I just don't understand it. My work and living location mean often this is the closest I get to physically holding the DE (even Salisbury train station no longer sell the echo). I just don't get how our city's daily paper can take such a nonsensical juxtaposition about our club and our current plight. Occasionally we have honest articulate well thought out articles then they are lifting anti Saints stories direct from the nationals and the internet and thus fanning the flames about the chaos at St Mary's. I don't want the echo to read like the 'official' Les Reed sugar coated poison pill BS. I just want the truth about what the hell is going on at our club. at the end of day Southampton Echo you are either with us or against us you can't really be both. Sherborne Saint
  • Score: 8

9:13am Tue 29 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Good morning on this bright new day. We sold anyone yet?
seed, didn't you keep on complaining that we `couldn't sell players` a while back? `why cant we sell any of the players` you used to say, well look where that's got us now! I blame you for all these players being sold. les reed must have been reading your posts and thought to himself `well the fans want players to be sold, I will see what I can do`, seed can you start complaining that we aren't signing any £25mill+ players, we need them soon!

;0) ;0) ;0) ;0) ;0) ;0)
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Good morning on this bright new day. We sold anyone yet?[/p][/quote]seed, didn't you keep on complaining that we `couldn't sell players` a while back? `why cant we sell any of the players` you used to say, well look where that's got us now! I blame you for all these players being sold. les reed must have been reading your posts and thought to himself `well the fans want players to be sold, I will see what I can do`, seed can you start complaining that we aren't signing any £25mill+ players, we need them soon! ;0) ;0) ;0) ;0) ;0) ;0) de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 3

9:14am Tue 29 Jul 14

Sherborne Saint says...

Sherborne Saint wrote:
St.Yorkie wrote:
Heart of the team ripped out?
Seems to me as someone already pointed out Lambert was an integral part of the "Southampton Way" and with him the loyalty and team ethic left!
Can't blame players or Katrina cashing in for £millions. Makes the £13m for the club 5-years ago look a very sound investment. Look at the returns from last year alone. What was it? £63-million from SKY and another £70-million+ for players this summer alone!
The trouble is the next level requires serious money - and trying not to be too sexist - it's a mans game! She inherited her fathers legacy and far from letting Cortese run amok reigned him in!
We move on.
I just don't understand it. My work and living location mean often this is the closest I get to physically holding the DE (even Salisbury train station no longer sell the echo). I just don't get how our city's daily paper can take such a nonsensical juxtaposition about our club and our current plight. Occasionally we have honest articulate well thought out articles then they are lifting anti Saints stories direct from the nationals and the internet and thus fanning the flames about the chaos at St Mary's. I don't want the echo to read like the 'official' Les Reed sugar coated poison pill BS. I just want the truth about what the hell is going on at our club. at the end of day Southampton Echo you are either with us or against us you can't really be both.
Sorry St Yorkie don't know what happened there I was meant to post an independent general comment and not necessarily a reply to yours.
[quote][p][bold]Sherborne Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: Heart of the team ripped out? Seems to me as someone already pointed out Lambert was an integral part of the "Southampton Way" and with him the loyalty and team ethic left! Can't blame players or Katrina cashing in for £millions. Makes the £13m for the club 5-years ago look a very sound investment. Look at the returns from last year alone. What was it? £63-million from SKY and another £70-million+ for players this summer alone! The trouble is the next level requires serious money - and trying not to be too sexist - it's a mans game! She inherited her fathers legacy and far from letting Cortese run amok reigned him in! We move on.[/p][/quote]I just don't understand it. My work and living location mean often this is the closest I get to physically holding the DE (even Salisbury train station no longer sell the echo). I just don't get how our city's daily paper can take such a nonsensical juxtaposition about our club and our current plight. Occasionally we have honest articulate well thought out articles then they are lifting anti Saints stories direct from the nationals and the internet and thus fanning the flames about the chaos at St Mary's. I don't want the echo to read like the 'official' Les Reed sugar coated poison pill BS. I just want the truth about what the hell is going on at our club. at the end of day Southampton Echo you are either with us or against us you can't really be both.[/p][/quote]Sorry St Yorkie don't know what happened there I was meant to post an independent general comment and not necessarily a reply to yours. Sherborne Saint
  • Score: 0

9:15am Tue 29 Jul 14

AaronLeeSaint says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Apologies for early morning pessimism.

So what would I look for to raise my spirits ?

- A press conference with the whole board, including Krueger, Reed and the other bloke who nobody ever remembers. They should deliver a clear statement of intent put the rumours into perspective.
- A statement from Ron stating that he has confidence that all is under control and he will build a strong team this season.
- A clear message, delivered personally, from the owner, that the commitment to maintaining and raising our status in the EPL is still in place and that the club is not for sale.

I also want to win the lottery, visit the Moon, cure cancer and one day see the discovery of intelligent extra terrestrial life.
I don't understand why someone cannot just come out and reassure us -
I feel for the people getting printed names on the back of their £50 shirts! How can you be sure they will still be here? I'm even afraid to get my own name on it, I don't want to end up in Liverpool!
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Apologies for early morning pessimism. So what would I look for to raise my spirits ? - A press conference with the whole board, including Krueger, Reed and the other bloke who nobody ever remembers. They should deliver a clear statement of intent put the rumours into perspective. - A statement from Ron stating that he has confidence that all is under control and he will build a strong team this season. - A clear message, delivered personally, from the owner, that the commitment to maintaining and raising our status in the EPL is still in place and that the club is not for sale. I also want to win the lottery, visit the Moon, cure cancer and one day see the discovery of intelligent extra terrestrial life.[/p][/quote]I don't understand why someone cannot just come out and reassure us - I feel for the people getting printed names on the back of their £50 shirts! How can you be sure they will still be here? I'm even afraid to get my own name on it, I don't want to end up in Liverpool! AaronLeeSaint
  • Score: 19

9:15am Tue 29 Jul 14

sasmike says...

LES WEED . DO ONE & F O
LES WEED . DO ONE & F O sasmike
  • Score: 10

9:16am Tue 29 Jul 14

50 Years A Supporter says...

I have to agree with most of the comments on here. I am disgusted by the policy of selling all the best players! Unless we start signing players NOW we are definitely in line for a relegation scrap. God knows why Koeman agreed to come here! You cannot sell 5-7 top players and replace them straightaway to gel in a new line-up. All Cortese's good work has been ruined and I hope the club is sold to someone who cares about it!
I have to agree with most of the comments on here. I am disgusted by the policy of selling all the best players! Unless we start signing players NOW we are definitely in line for a relegation scrap. God knows why Koeman agreed to come here! You cannot sell 5-7 top players and replace them straightaway to gel in a new line-up. All Cortese's good work has been ruined and I hope the club is sold to someone who cares about it! 50 Years A Supporter
  • Score: 4

9:16am Tue 29 Jul 14

InsideOutCat says...

A thread starting with one of the best posts I've read on here (well done Little Hitler) once again gets taken over by abusive outpourings of mindless hysteria. Can the "Sack anything that moves" faction please answer the question "And then what?". Spend all the money just because we have it? Let the fans decide what the manager can and can't do? There's a line that divides loving something and controlling it. A lot of people on here need to remember where it is.
A thread starting with one of the best posts I've read on here (well done Little Hitler) once again gets taken over by abusive outpourings of mindless hysteria. Can the "Sack anything that moves" faction please answer the question "And then what?". Spend all the money just because we have it? Let the fans decide what the manager can and can't do? There's a line that divides loving something and controlling it. A lot of people on here need to remember where it is. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 12

9:17am Tue 29 Jul 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Ozmosis wrote:
You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective:

http://www.hat-trick

.fr/southampton-est-

en-vente/

As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved.
You could be right or wrong and so could the article (which seems to have been written as though it has some hard facts, where as most people are just guessing what exactly is going on). A different slant - 'the board are not to blame' - is provided here:
http://www.mirror.co
.uk/sport/football/n
ews/southampton-boar
d-cannot-blamed-exod
us-3926519
(thanks to whoever first shared it).

I think the Mirror article is partly right so far as it goes. What it doesn't do is question some of the decisions the board has taken which continue to baffle me (and, clearly, many others).
1. Why, in early Spring, did Ralph make that statement about the debt? (Which I've described before as being like putting a 'players for sale' sign outside SMS.)
2. Having then made it, why didn't he go on to clarify how much needed urgent action (probably under £10m) as opposed to the larger part which was being serviced through repayments over time?
3. Why, at the end of last season, didn't the board simply state that the first matter they would address was the managerial team? Once it was clear that MP was off with his chums (and I think we can all see now that he had taken that decision after NC left), surely the important thing was to bring in a new management team (and get the WC out of the way) BEFORE negotiating transfers in or out.
4. Why has communication and what I'll call 'promoting the vision' (sic) been so badly handled?

I think - INDIVIDUALLY - there's a case for each and every player sale. (Top money for the young fullbacks, Rickie to his boyhood team, others wanting bigger pay days and European football - which Saints can't offer right now - Osvaldo needing to be moved on ......) but there comes a point when selling a player now (because the individual income will never be as high again once the length of that player's contract dwindles or having left that player in the reserves to rot as a punishment ....) has too great an impact on the speculated future finances and projected progress of the Club.

We can all see that £100m in the bank would end up as confetti if the club was relegated and, even if/when that money is spent on new players, there's no guarantee that they'll blend into a team (note Spuds last season).

So, rather than spit the dummy, as others have chosen to do - and it's their right - I will wait and see (like Little Hitler above). Once the dust settles, once we know who has come in (and the task of attracting players in has been made far more difficult by all of this no matter where the blame lies) and once we have a clearer idea where Ron and his team are leading us, then I'll judge.

For now, I will continue to support my team, I will EXPECT the board and manager to deliver us out of this mess for which the blame IMO is shared between everyone involved (NC, MP, current board, players, agents, media, Premier League set up ....) and I will try to understand those fans who see things differently.

In the end, we all share a couple of things:
1. a passion for the Saints
2. a sense of anger and disbelief - probably, as with me, resulting in waking early most mornings plagued by this matter.

Chin up, folks, please let's try to put this into perspective (and I'm speaking to myself here). When you see some of the things currently unfolding across the world, our collective nightmare really isn't what Bill Shankly famously described as 'more important than life or death'.
[quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective: http://www.hat-trick .fr/southampton-est- en-vente/ As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved.[/p][/quote]You could be right or wrong and so could the article (which seems to have been written as though it has some hard facts, where as most people are just guessing what exactly is going on). A different slant - 'the board are not to blame' - is provided here: http://www.mirror.co .uk/sport/football/n ews/southampton-boar d-cannot-blamed-exod us-3926519 (thanks to whoever first shared it). I think the Mirror article is partly right so far as it goes. What it doesn't do is question some of the decisions the board has taken which continue to baffle me (and, clearly, many others). 1. Why, in early Spring, did Ralph make that statement about the debt? (Which I've described before as being like putting a 'players for sale' sign outside SMS.) 2. Having then made it, why didn't he go on to clarify how much needed urgent action (probably under £10m) as opposed to the larger part which was being serviced through repayments over time? 3. Why, at the end of last season, didn't the board simply state that the first matter they would address was the managerial team? Once it was clear that MP was off with his chums (and I think we can all see now that he had taken that decision after NC left), surely the important thing was to bring in a new management team (and get the WC out of the way) BEFORE negotiating transfers in or out. 4. Why has communication and what I'll call 'promoting the vision' (sic) been so badly handled? I think - INDIVIDUALLY - there's a case for each and every player sale. (Top money for the young fullbacks, Rickie to his boyhood team, others wanting bigger pay days and European football - which Saints can't offer right now - Osvaldo needing to be moved on ......) but there comes a point when selling a player now (because the individual income will never be as high again once the length of that player's contract dwindles or having left that player in the reserves to rot as a punishment ....) has too great an impact on the speculated future finances and projected progress of the Club. We can all see that £100m in the bank would end up as confetti if the club was relegated and, even if/when that money is spent on new players, there's no guarantee that they'll blend into a team (note Spuds last season). So, rather than spit the dummy, as others have chosen to do - and it's their right - I will wait and see (like Little Hitler above). Once the dust settles, once we know who has come in (and the task of attracting players in has been made far more difficult by all of this no matter where the blame lies) and once we have a clearer idea where Ron and his team are leading us, then I'll judge. For now, I will continue to support my team, I will EXPECT the board and manager to deliver us out of this mess for which the blame IMO is shared between everyone involved (NC, MP, current board, players, agents, media, Premier League set up ....) and I will try to understand those fans who see things differently. In the end, we all share a couple of things: 1. a passion for the Saints 2. a sense of anger and disbelief - probably, as with me, resulting in waking early most mornings plagued by this matter. Chin up, folks, please let's try to put this into perspective (and I'm speaking to myself here). When you see some of the things currently unfolding across the world, our collective nightmare really isn't what Bill Shankly famously described as 'more important than life or death'. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 14

9:19am Tue 29 Jul 14

St Van Roetford says...

Little Hitler wrote:
Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so).

The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for.

What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly.

My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation).

In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice.

With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only.

So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it!

So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus.

I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game.

The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right.

Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us.

I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did.

I still have faith, just.
I'm only going to read one comment today and it's going to be this one, meaning I shall go about my 'business' filled with rosy-cheeked optimism.

Thank you, Hitler.
[quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so). The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for. What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly. My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation). In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice. With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only. So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it! So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus. I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game. The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right. Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us. I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did. I still have faith, just.[/p][/quote]I'm only going to read one comment today and it's going to be this one, meaning I shall go about my 'business' filled with rosy-cheeked optimism. Thank you, Hitler. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 9

9:23am Tue 29 Jul 14

miltonarcher says...

A number of poster have used the phrase,"Will the last person leaving SMS please turn off the lights" Unfortunately, Les has sold off the light switches at SMS. "Obviously we didn't want to lose our switches but this was good business for the club, some of the switches have been with the club a long time and it was time to move them on". It was a gamble for the purchasers because some of the switches, those in the media centre where the club updates fans, have not been used for some time. Rumours that Ron Koeman is bringing in a batch of Dutch candles to replace the state of the art switches has not been denied. Les has asked for fans to be patient and not panic, there is light at the end of the tunnel. Albeit light provided by sub-standard foreign candles.
A number of poster have used the phrase,"Will the last person leaving SMS please turn off the lights" Unfortunately, Les has sold off the light switches at SMS. "Obviously we didn't want to lose our switches but this was good business for the club, some of the switches have been with the club a long time and it was time to move them on". It was a gamble for the purchasers because some of the switches, those in the media centre where the club updates fans, have not been used for some time. Rumours that Ron Koeman is bringing in a batch of Dutch candles to replace the state of the art switches has not been denied. Les has asked for fans to be patient and not panic, there is light at the end of the tunnel. Albeit light provided by sub-standard foreign candles. miltonarcher
  • Score: 5

9:23am Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
arthur boutfaith wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so).

The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for.

What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly.

My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation).

In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice.

With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only.

So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it!

So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus.

I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game.

The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right.

Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us.

I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did.

I still have faith, just.
Brilliantly written.
You're too good to get a job for this rag.
arthur boutfaith = Osprey Saint on a different log in. COYR+WS
Don't you start with multiple log on paranoia, I have one sign-on name on this site, one sheet is enough.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur boutfaith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so). The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for. What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly. My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation). In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice. With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only. So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it! So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus. I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game. The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right. Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us. I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did. I still have faith, just.[/p][/quote]Brilliantly written. You're too good to get a job for this rag.[/p][/quote]arthur boutfaith = Osprey Saint on a different log in. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Don't you start with multiple log on paranoia, I have one sign-on name on this site, one sheet is enough. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

9:24am Tue 29 Jul 14

jls217 says...

St Forlife wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
I posted back when NC went that an almighty row had been brewing between him and her over some 18 months…

Marcus a German industrialist self made billionaire entrusted NC with the club, he succeeded beyond anyones wildest dreams and as for return on investment, well, it is plain to see.

Katerina has no such passion or flair, she has never earned a penny in her life and has the dead hand of Swiss meanness through her bones, something I said at the time.

The media and our own small thinking fans believe it was all a ridiculuous dream and we could never aspire to break into the top 4, firstly Porto, Atletico Madrid, Bilbao have all supped at the top table, it is do able, moreover what are dreams for, if we and say 88 other clubs are to accept
we can never join them then we should all throw the towel in now.

Putting greed of our own people to one side the FA need to make football a sport again, fat chance in their own way they are just as corrupt as FIFA just not as obvious, in thrall to the Prem, Sky and global revenues…

There have been player strikes before but I think all clubs outside of the top 6 should boycott the current set up, if the top 6 only play each other every week it will become pretty boring and as few can travel around Europe a permanent super league would not have the atmosphere either.

I am accepting that we are going back to league 1, I am also accepting that the one and only chance to be a bigger club has gone….if I met this board I would rip them a new one..Lowe was low but he did not have the luxury of a 200+ million asset to play with, for this board there is no excuse.
I agree a lot with the above - Let the top 6 self centred egotystical clubs go off an play in a super champions league.

They can play each other 4 times a year and have their fans travel 100 miles by plane for each away game. They can have some of their home games played in the States and in Asia too and the sooner this happens the better. They can operate a franchise with no relegation or promotion too.

Then we can start to get back to the real world and have a league where the rest of us start to have a football competition again
There is a huge risk attached to that. Unless there is a rule within the framework of the "Underlings" league. The top half dozen or even teams from the top flight elsewhere in Europe (the world even) will purchase interests in the Underlings league teams and they would just become feeder clubs for the Super world league - we end up in the same mire but on a bigger scale.
Something clearly needs to be done for the protection of the game, unfortunatelly those in the decision making process for FA, EUFA and Fifa are in a cosy little fraternity which is raking in billions and do not want the status quo interfered with. There are those who might say there is rampant corruption afoot - I have no evidence to suggest this so couldn't possibly comment.
[quote][p][bold]St Forlife[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: I posted back when NC went that an almighty row had been brewing between him and her over some 18 months… Marcus a German industrialist self made billionaire entrusted NC with the club, he succeeded beyond anyones wildest dreams and as for return on investment, well, it is plain to see. Katerina has no such passion or flair, she has never earned a penny in her life and has the dead hand of Swiss meanness through her bones, something I said at the time. The media and our own small thinking fans believe it was all a ridiculuous dream and we could never aspire to break into the top 4, firstly Porto, Atletico Madrid, Bilbao have all supped at the top table, it is do able, moreover what are dreams for, if we and say 88 other clubs are to accept we can never join them then we should all throw the towel in now. Putting greed of our own people to one side the FA need to make football a sport again, fat chance in their own way they are just as corrupt as FIFA just not as obvious, in thrall to the Prem, Sky and global revenues… There have been player strikes before but I think all clubs outside of the top 6 should boycott the current set up, if the top 6 only play each other every week it will become pretty boring and as few can travel around Europe a permanent super league would not have the atmosphere either. I am accepting that we are going back to league 1, I am also accepting that the one and only chance to be a bigger club has gone….if I met this board I would rip them a new one..Lowe was low but he did not have the luxury of a 200+ million asset to play with, for this board there is no excuse.[/p][/quote]I agree a lot with the above - Let the top 6 self centred egotystical clubs go off an play in a super champions league. They can play each other 4 times a year and have their fans travel 100 miles by plane for each away game. They can have some of their home games played in the States and in Asia too and the sooner this happens the better. They can operate a franchise with no relegation or promotion too. Then we can start to get back to the real world and have a league where the rest of us start to have a football competition again[/p][/quote]There is a huge risk attached to that. Unless there is a rule within the framework of the "Underlings" league. The top half dozen or even teams from the top flight elsewhere in Europe (the world even) will purchase interests in the Underlings league teams and they would just become feeder clubs for the Super world league - we end up in the same mire but on a bigger scale. Something clearly needs to be done for the protection of the game, unfortunatelly those in the decision making process for FA, EUFA and Fifa are in a cosy little fraternity which is raking in billions and do not want the status quo interfered with. There are those who might say there is rampant corruption afoot - I have no evidence to suggest this so couldn't possibly comment. jls217
  • Score: 6

9:25am Tue 29 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Apologies for early morning pessimism.

So what would I look for to raise my spirits ?

- A press conference with the whole board, including Krueger, Reed and the other bloke who nobody ever remembers. They should deliver a clear statement of intent put the rumours into perspective.
- A statement from Ron stating that he has confidence that all is under control and he will build a strong team this season.
- A clear message, delivered personally, from the owner, that the commitment to maintaining and raising our status in the EPL is still in place and that the club is not for sale.

I also want to win the lottery, visit the Moon, cure cancer and one day see the discovery of intelligent extra terrestrial life.
extra terrestrial life? well that's already been sorted for you, do you not remember sammy2sheds? think about that name for a min. its not 2sheds its 2`s heads! hes not been banned just taken back to the mother ship!

talk to beardy branson about the moon, hes got to space so its got to be the next step!

there are so many people on here who can se the future so well its obvious they have time machines, as to borrow one to get next weeks lotto numbers, oh can you get the euro lottery numbers as well?

cant help with cancer though, that's an absolute g1t of an illness and ive seen too many family members and friends taken way too young by it. if you do get a time machine to borrow could you go further into the future to see if we can sort it out?
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Apologies for early morning pessimism. So what would I look for to raise my spirits ? - A press conference with the whole board, including Krueger, Reed and the other bloke who nobody ever remembers. They should deliver a clear statement of intent put the rumours into perspective. - A statement from Ron stating that he has confidence that all is under control and he will build a strong team this season. - A clear message, delivered personally, from the owner, that the commitment to maintaining and raising our status in the EPL is still in place and that the club is not for sale. I also want to win the lottery, visit the Moon, cure cancer and one day see the discovery of intelligent extra terrestrial life.[/p][/quote]extra terrestrial life? well that's already been sorted for you, do you not remember sammy2sheds? think about that name for a min. its not 2sheds its 2`s heads! hes not been banned just taken back to the mother ship! talk to beardy branson about the moon, hes got to space so its got to be the next step! there are so many people on here who can se the future so well its obvious they have time machines, as to borrow one to get next weeks lotto numbers, oh can you get the euro lottery numbers as well? cant help with cancer though, that's an absolute g1t of an illness and ive seen too many family members and friends taken way too young by it. if you do get a time machine to borrow could you go further into the future to see if we can sort it out? de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 2

9:28am Tue 29 Jul 14

damoose says...

A few months after buying Southampton he bailed out a struggling printing company in Bern, saving 50 jobs and those of 72 apprentices and becoming known as the "Wifag saviour".

After his death at the age of 62 in August 2010 and the subsequent inheritance of Mali Holdings by Katharina, she decided to make 31 employees redundant and has since been accused of failing to set a new direction for the company.

The Swiss newspaper Der Bund said that while Mali initially said that Katharina would continue her father's work, "it has become increasingly clear in recent months that Mali can't sort out the successorship".

One employee at Wifag was quoted saying: "With the death of the patron, the chicken has lost its head. For a while it continued wandering around without a sense of direction, then it bled to death."

Sounds Familiar
A few months after buying Southampton he bailed out a struggling printing company in Bern, saving 50 jobs and those of 72 apprentices and becoming known as the "Wifag saviour". After his death at the age of 62 in August 2010 and the subsequent inheritance of Mali Holdings by Katharina, she decided to make 31 employees redundant and has since been accused of failing to set a new direction for the company. The Swiss newspaper Der Bund said that while Mali initially said that Katharina would continue her father's work, "it has become increasingly clear in recent months that Mali can't sort out the successorship". One employee at Wifag was quoted saying: "With the death of the patron, the chicken has lost its head. For a while it continued wandering around without a sense of direction, then it bled to death." Sounds Familiar damoose
  • Score: 14

9:29am Tue 29 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

50 Years A Supporter wrote:
I have to agree with most of the comments on here. I am disgusted by the policy of selling all the best players! Unless we start signing players NOW we are definitely in line for a relegation scrap. God knows why Koeman agreed to come here! You cannot sell 5-7 top players and replace them straightaway to gel in a new line-up. All Cortese's good work has been ruined and I hope the club is sold to someone who cares about it!
you are having a laugh as are all those saying we are in a "relegation" scrap... you obviously know naff all about football. Take a look at the other clubs , take a look at their teams/squads..... £100M will steady the ship and allow us to build stability and a team on Ron's terms and lets look at his track record so far .... he has identified two quality players ..... and secured their services. These are not players who would have signed for a team threatened with relegation, they are players who would have signed up for a team building phase and there will be more.
[quote][p][bold]50 Years A Supporter[/bold] wrote: I have to agree with most of the comments on here. I am disgusted by the policy of selling all the best players! Unless we start signing players NOW we are definitely in line for a relegation scrap. God knows why Koeman agreed to come here! You cannot sell 5-7 top players and replace them straightaway to gel in a new line-up. All Cortese's good work has been ruined and I hope the club is sold to someone who cares about it![/p][/quote]you are having a laugh as are all those saying we are in a "relegation" scrap... you obviously know naff all about football. Take a look at the other clubs , take a look at their teams/squads..... £100M will steady the ship and allow us to build stability and a team on Ron's terms and lets look at his track record so far .... he has identified two quality players ..... and secured their services. These are not players who would have signed for a team threatened with relegation, they are players who would have signed up for a team building phase and there will be more. steekeemcglue
  • Score: -5

9:29am Tue 29 Jul 14

A36saint says...

BarnetSaint wrote:
In the cold light of day, our best hope is that she does sell the club, to someone with the passion, commitment and financial clout to realise the fantastic potential we have.
She is deconstructing all of the good work of her father and the sooner she leaves, taking the utter buffoons ( notably reed and the ice hockey bloke) mismanaging our affairs the better.
Our immediate goal are quality signings and to somehow survive this season , which is looking more unlikely by the day.
But we will bounce back.
Why the thumbs down ? This is a totally reasonable comment. I can't understand why people are still living in a dream world thinking all is ok. Hoping for a quick sale and get us back on track
[quote][p][bold]BarnetSaint[/bold] wrote: In the cold light of day, our best hope is that she does sell the club, to someone with the passion, commitment and financial clout to realise the fantastic potential we have. She is deconstructing all of the good work of her father and the sooner she leaves, taking the utter buffoons ( notably reed and the ice hockey bloke) mismanaging our affairs the better. Our immediate goal are quality signings and to somehow survive this season , which is looking more unlikely by the day. But we will bounce back.[/p][/quote]Why the thumbs down ? This is a totally reasonable comment. I can't understand why people are still living in a dream world thinking all is ok. Hoping for a quick sale and get us back on track A36saint
  • Score: 12

9:30am Tue 29 Jul 14

GX Saint says...

50 Years A Supporter wrote:
I have to agree with most of the comments on here. I am disgusted by the policy of selling all the best players! Unless we start signing players NOW we are definitely in line for a relegation scrap. God knows why Koeman agreed to come here! You cannot sell 5-7 top players and replace them straightaway to gel in a new line-up. All Cortese's good work has been ruined and I hope the club is sold to someone who cares about it!
You can't keep players who want to leave. The board had them on long term contracts but that just ensures we get a decent fee for them. Remember Kenwyne Jones? He said he'd refuse to play until he was sold. So be realistic - players and their agents choose where and when they go. The board's duty was to tie them up on long term contracts and hold out for the maximum fee. That's what I suspect they have done and are doing.

RK has a hell of a job on his hands to bring the right talent in and get them gelling with the squad but what we're watching here is just business. To describe is as a 'policy of selling the best players' is to mis-characterise it. If someone makes you an offer for a possession that is far higher than its real worth, what's disgusting about taking their money?
[quote][p][bold]50 Years A Supporter[/bold] wrote: I have to agree with most of the comments on here. I am disgusted by the policy of selling all the best players! Unless we start signing players NOW we are definitely in line for a relegation scrap. God knows why Koeman agreed to come here! You cannot sell 5-7 top players and replace them straightaway to gel in a new line-up. All Cortese's good work has been ruined and I hope the club is sold to someone who cares about it![/p][/quote]You can't keep players who want to leave. The board had them on long term contracts but that just ensures we get a decent fee for them. Remember Kenwyne Jones? He said he'd refuse to play until he was sold. So be realistic - players and their agents choose where and when they go. The board's duty was to tie them up on long term contracts and hold out for the maximum fee. That's what I suspect they have done and are doing. RK has a hell of a job on his hands to bring the right talent in and get them gelling with the squad but what we're watching here is just business. To describe is as a 'policy of selling the best players' is to mis-characterise it. If someone makes you an offer for a possession that is far higher than its real worth, what's disgusting about taking their money? GX Saint
  • Score: -2

9:30am Tue 29 Jul 14

Stnana says...

jls217 wrote:
Ozmosis wrote:
You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective:

http://www.hat-trick


.fr/southampton-est-


en-vente/

As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved.
I'd like to read that article Ozmosis - Is there an English language version of it avail on their site (or elsewhere) Thanks
Where's Strassie when we need him ?
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective: http://www.hat-trick .fr/southampton-est- en-vente/ As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved.[/p][/quote]I'd like to read that article Ozmosis - Is there an English language version of it avail on their site (or elsewhere) Thanks[/p][/quote]Where's Strassie when we need him ? Stnana
  • Score: 2

9:30am Tue 29 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Saw an advert on the Tube this morning for the Imperial War Museum commemorating the centenary of WW1. Since then there's a phrase that keeps going through my mind.

It'll all be over by Christmas.
Lest we Forget.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Saw an advert on the Tube this morning for the Imperial War Museum commemorating the centenary of WW1. Since then there's a phrase that keeps going through my mind. It'll all be over by Christmas.[/p][/quote]Lest we Forget. george chivers
  • Score: 2

9:31am Tue 29 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
Little Hitler Your post is excellently constructed and puts forward one possible scenario whilst ignoring others that are just as plausible Supposing Cortse was asked by Kat to oversee what is happening now ? Was that why he bailed out ? Perhaps he wanted to get us into the big time and then cash in because it seems transparent enough that cashing in is what Kat is doing now
Purchase price and transfers in amount to about £100m This summers transfers out could reach £150m added to the £85 from last season Then sell the club for a poultry £50 that gives a fantastic return on the
investment
Hopefully Cortese will be involved with the new owners because he did deliver on his promise. Much was made of the £30m transfer debt which was easily offset by the PL income which is guaranteed for 4 years with parachute payments
The last and scariest scenario is that Kat stays for 3 more years taking the parachute payments and allowing the club to return to L1 where it was when ML bought it
Hmm food for thought in the last para mate. If she really is hell bent on screwing Saints over (and let's face it most business people would screw over their own grannies for a couple of quid) there is a really scary scenario there because those parachute payments are hers to do with as she pleases. Unless of course there are stipulations and regulations limiting the use of those payments - Again maybe there are some money men on here who might have some insight into that.
Great point and not one I've seen raised before in this context. Scarey eh!?
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Little Hitler Your post is excellently constructed and puts forward one possible scenario whilst ignoring others that are just as plausible Supposing Cortse was asked by Kat to oversee what is happening now ? Was that why he bailed out ? Perhaps he wanted to get us into the big time and then cash in because it seems transparent enough that cashing in is what Kat is doing now Purchase price and transfers in amount to about £100m This summers transfers out could reach £150m added to the £85 from last season Then sell the club for a poultry £50 that gives a fantastic return on the investment Hopefully Cortese will be involved with the new owners because he did deliver on his promise. Much was made of the £30m transfer debt which was easily offset by the PL income which is guaranteed for 4 years with parachute payments The last and scariest scenario is that Kat stays for 3 more years taking the parachute payments and allowing the club to return to L1 where it was when ML bought it[/p][/quote]Hmm food for thought in the last para mate. If she really is hell bent on screwing Saints over (and let's face it most business people would screw over their own grannies for a couple of quid) there is a really scary scenario there because those parachute payments are hers to do with as she pleases. Unless of course there are stipulations and regulations limiting the use of those payments - Again maybe there are some money men on here who might have some insight into that. Great point and not one I've seen raised before in this context. Scarey eh!? jls217
  • Score: 4

9:33am Tue 29 Jul 14

Confucious says...

The happy clappers on here won't like me reminding them, but over four years ago I posted this:

"Plenty of euphoria on here today, but mark my words, the appointment of Pardew is very bad news. Ok he may win the JPT or something, but then he'll be fired - leading to the appointment of a little known lower Div manager - eg Adkins at Scunny. You will all cheer when Adkins wins two successive promotions, but he'll hit the dust a few months later as Nicola brings in a suspect foreigner of the likes of Pochettinho at Espanyol. More cheering as he will keep us up and then get an eighth or better position.

"But ask yourselves...will Nichola last?....will Pochettinho stay?...and if not will there be a complete debacle and nightmare player exodus? 'No, No, No' I heard you say (especially Seed who was ecstatic and building a metaphorical flat up Nicola's @rse at the time).

"Well - come back and tell me that in July 2014." I concluded.

Some hope - you're all on my bandwagon now. We're doomed.

Of course at the time I was derided and branded a neggie for this. But where are you now?
The happy clappers on here won't like me reminding them, but over four years ago I posted this: "Plenty of euphoria on here today, but mark my words, the appointment of Pardew is very bad news. Ok he may win the JPT or something, but then he'll be fired - leading to the appointment of a little known lower Div manager - eg Adkins at Scunny. You will all cheer when Adkins wins two successive promotions, but he'll hit the dust a few months later as Nicola brings in a suspect foreigner of the likes of Pochettinho at Espanyol. More cheering as he will keep us up and then get an eighth or better position. "But ask yourselves...will Nichola last?....will Pochettinho stay?...and if not will there be a complete debacle and nightmare player exodus? 'No, No, No' I heard you say (especially Seed who was ecstatic and building a metaphorical flat up Nicola's @rse at the time). "Well - come back and tell me that in July 2014." I concluded. Some hope - you're all on my bandwagon now. We're doomed. Of course at the time I was derided and branded a neggie for this. But where are you now? Confucious
  • Score: 16

9:34am Tue 29 Jul 14

Barney123 says...

Matthew 7:26

Rings so true Saints fans!
Matthew 7:26 Rings so true Saints fans! Barney123
  • Score: 3

9:34am Tue 29 Jul 14

jls217 says...

u bunch of mugs wrote:
God what's happened to our fan base years ago we used to be full of passion for this great club and city now it's all what what old chap happy clap and in The board we trust ****.
When will you lot learn they don't give a **** about the club they just want the money.
This would not happen at any other club cause the fans wouldn't let it. Say what you like about the blue **** down the road but at least they have passion. Fu@k that hurt to say that
Mugs for the first time since reading your posts I'm beginning (just beginning mind) to think you might not be a skate plant after all. Apologies if you feel insulted.
[quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: God what's happened to our fan base years ago we used to be full of passion for this great club and city now it's all what what old chap happy clap and in The board we trust ****. When will you lot learn they don't give a **** about the club they just want the money. This would not happen at any other club cause the fans wouldn't let it. Say what you like about the blue **** down the road but at least they have passion. Fu@k that hurt to say that[/p][/quote]Mugs for the first time since reading your posts I'm beginning (just beginning mind) to think you might not be a skate plant after all. Apologies if you feel insulted. jls217
  • Score: 7

9:37am Tue 29 Jul 14

Mosin85 says...

warrens 76 wrote:
arthur boutfaith wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so).

The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for.

What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly.

My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation).

In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice.

With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only.

So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it!

So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus.

I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game.

The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right.

Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us.

I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did.

I still have faith, just.
Brilliantly written.
You're too good to get a job for this rag.
Wishy washy, trusting this board has got us were exactly, never in the history of football has such a team been so ripped apart when not in financial difficulty. horrific..
but never before has a small club like Saints had so so many potential world class players on such such such small wages........

Board are helpless when players want to go for mega money while we offer pennies... just not going to happen getting upset with the board wont help matters and wont help the team.

just hope there are some decent players willing to play for pennies other wise its a long season.

The only players that will be willing to stay are the youngsters that support Southampton, and come on be honest we don't have many fans that's the reality of the club and some thing that needs to be built up by winning things but every time we do well the big teams will come and take all the good players which is why they will stay big clubs and the rest stay small....... unless KL invest at least 400 million so we can compete on wages and transfer's it will remain that way for the foreseeable future.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur boutfaith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so). The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for. What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly. My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation). In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice. With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only. So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it! So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus. I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game. The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right. Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us. I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did. I still have faith, just.[/p][/quote]Brilliantly written. You're too good to get a job for this rag.[/p][/quote]Wishy washy, trusting this board has got us were exactly, never in the history of football has such a team been so ripped apart when not in financial difficulty. horrific..[/p][/quote]but never before has a small club like Saints had so so many potential world class players on such such such small wages........ Board are helpless when players want to go for mega money while we offer pennies... just not going to happen getting upset with the board wont help matters and wont help the team. just hope there are some decent players willing to play for pennies other wise its a long season. The only players that will be willing to stay are the youngsters that support Southampton, and come on be honest we don't have many fans that's the reality of the club and some thing that needs to be built up by winning things but every time we do well the big teams will come and take all the good players which is why they will stay big clubs and the rest stay small....... unless KL invest at least 400 million so we can compete on wages and transfer's it will remain that way for the foreseeable future. Mosin85
  • Score: 2

9:37am Tue 29 Jul 14

andoru says...

Best thing about all this is that I can sign all of our players to my fantasy team. Usually you're restricted to three players from one team. I've replaced my original line up with all the players we've sold so far this summer, plus other former Saints Chris Baird, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Peter Crouch and Puncheon. Morgan and J-Rod are in there as Saints players, but on the assumption they won't be for long. When they go I will use one of the available Saints slots to bring in Clyne for Vlaar in defence. Boruc is in there because there are no ex-Saints GKs in the Premier League. An all Saints team as far as possible. I will judge how well they do by the number of points they get me. I'm not changing the team for the rest of the season, unless we sell some more people in January.
Best thing about all this is that I can sign all of our players to my fantasy team. Usually you're restricted to three players from one team. I've replaced my original line up with all the players we've sold so far this summer, plus other former Saints Chris Baird, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Peter Crouch and Puncheon. Morgan and J-Rod are in there as Saints players, but on the assumption they won't be for long. When they go I will use one of the available Saints slots to bring in Clyne for Vlaar in defence. Boruc is in there because there are no ex-Saints GKs in the Premier League. An all Saints team as far as possible. I will judge how well they do by the number of points they get me. I'm not changing the team for the rest of the season, unless we sell some more people in January. andoru
  • Score: 1

9:37am Tue 29 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Ozmosis wrote:
You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective:

http://www.hat-trick


.fr/southampton-est-


en-vente/

As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved.
You could be right or wrong and so could the article (which seems to have been written as though it has some hard facts, where as most people are just guessing what exactly is going on). A different slant - 'the board are not to blame' - is provided here:
http://www.mirror.co

.uk/sport/football/n

ews/southampton-boar

d-cannot-blamed-exod

us-3926519
(thanks to whoever first shared it).

I think the Mirror article is partly right so far as it goes. What it doesn't do is question some of the decisions the board has taken which continue to baffle me (and, clearly, many others).
1. Why, in early Spring, did Ralph make that statement about the debt? (Which I've described before as being like putting a 'players for sale' sign outside SMS.)
2. Having then made it, why didn't he go on to clarify how much needed urgent action (probably under £10m) as opposed to the larger part which was being serviced through repayments over time?
3. Why, at the end of last season, didn't the board simply state that the first matter they would address was the managerial team? Once it was clear that MP was off with his chums (and I think we can all see now that he had taken that decision after NC left), surely the important thing was to bring in a new management team (and get the WC out of the way) BEFORE negotiating transfers in or out.
4. Why has communication and what I'll call 'promoting the vision' (sic) been so badly handled?

I think - INDIVIDUALLY - there's a case for each and every player sale. (Top money for the young fullbacks, Rickie to his boyhood team, others wanting bigger pay days and European football - which Saints can't offer right now - Osvaldo needing to be moved on ......) but there comes a point when selling a player now (because the individual income will never be as high again once the length of that player's contract dwindles or having left that player in the reserves to rot as a punishment ....) has too great an impact on the speculated future finances and projected progress of the Club.

We can all see that £100m in the bank would end up as confetti if the club was relegated and, even if/when that money is spent on new players, there's no guarantee that they'll blend into a team (note Spuds last season).

So, rather than spit the dummy, as others have chosen to do - and it's their right - I will wait and see (like Little Hitler above). Once the dust settles, once we know who has come in (and the task of attracting players in has been made far more difficult by all of this no matter where the blame lies) and once we have a clearer idea where Ron and his team are leading us, then I'll judge.

For now, I will continue to support my team, I will EXPECT the board and manager to deliver us out of this mess for which the blame IMO is shared between everyone involved (NC, MP, current board, players, agents, media, Premier League set up ....) and I will try to understand those fans who see things differently.

In the end, we all share a couple of things:
1. a passion for the Saints
2. a sense of anger and disbelief - probably, as with me, resulting in waking early most mornings plagued by this matter.

Chin up, folks, please let's try to put this into perspective (and I'm speaking to myself here). When you see some of the things currently unfolding across the world, our collective nightmare really isn't what Bill Shankly famously described as 'more important than life or death'.
well said strass. we are all trying to figure out what is going on and none of us know. when/if we start to bring in new players will be the time we know more of the clubs `ambition`. I don't buy into any of the wild theories that some keep banging on about, but yes I`m still worried, well until I see some improvement.
as you said each player sale can be justified individually but putting them together as a whole a do struggle to see the bigger picture. I don't think any of us are happy with whats gone on, and even though some players have made it clear they think they are bigger than the club, it doesn't stop me from having a kind of hollow feeling inside
I will still show my full support to whatever team is chosen to play and will always do that! we all cheered the kids and supported them when we were relegated from the championship, we all cheered and supported the mercenaries put together by redkrapp so we will do the same this season.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective: http://www.hat-trick .fr/southampton-est- en-vente/ As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved.[/p][/quote]You could be right or wrong and so could the article (which seems to have been written as though it has some hard facts, where as most people are just guessing what exactly is going on). A different slant - 'the board are not to blame' - is provided here: http://www.mirror.co .uk/sport/football/n ews/southampton-boar d-cannot-blamed-exod us-3926519 (thanks to whoever first shared it). I think the Mirror article is partly right so far as it goes. What it doesn't do is question some of the decisions the board has taken which continue to baffle me (and, clearly, many others). 1. Why, in early Spring, did Ralph make that statement about the debt? (Which I've described before as being like putting a 'players for sale' sign outside SMS.) 2. Having then made it, why didn't he go on to clarify how much needed urgent action (probably under £10m) as opposed to the larger part which was being serviced through repayments over time? 3. Why, at the end of last season, didn't the board simply state that the first matter they would address was the managerial team? Once it was clear that MP was off with his chums (and I think we can all see now that he had taken that decision after NC left), surely the important thing was to bring in a new management team (and get the WC out of the way) BEFORE negotiating transfers in or out. 4. Why has communication and what I'll call 'promoting the vision' (sic) been so badly handled? I think - INDIVIDUALLY - there's a case for each and every player sale. (Top money for the young fullbacks, Rickie to his boyhood team, others wanting bigger pay days and European football - which Saints can't offer right now - Osvaldo needing to be moved on ......) but there comes a point when selling a player now (because the individual income will never be as high again once the length of that player's contract dwindles or having left that player in the reserves to rot as a punishment ....) has too great an impact on the speculated future finances and projected progress of the Club. We can all see that £100m in the bank would end up as confetti if the club was relegated and, even if/when that money is spent on new players, there's no guarantee that they'll blend into a team (note Spuds last season). So, rather than spit the dummy, as others have chosen to do - and it's their right - I will wait and see (like Little Hitler above). Once the dust settles, once we know who has come in (and the task of attracting players in has been made far more difficult by all of this no matter where the blame lies) and once we have a clearer idea where Ron and his team are leading us, then I'll judge. For now, I will continue to support my team, I will EXPECT the board and manager to deliver us out of this mess for which the blame IMO is shared between everyone involved (NC, MP, current board, players, agents, media, Premier League set up ....) and I will try to understand those fans who see things differently. In the end, we all share a couple of things: 1. a passion for the Saints 2. a sense of anger and disbelief - probably, as with me, resulting in waking early most mornings plagued by this matter. Chin up, folks, please let's try to put this into perspective (and I'm speaking to myself here). When you see some of the things currently unfolding across the world, our collective nightmare really isn't what Bill Shankly famously described as 'more important than life or death'.[/p][/quote]well said strass. we are all trying to figure out what is going on and none of us know. when/if we start to bring in new players will be the time we know more of the clubs `ambition`. I don't buy into any of the wild theories that some keep banging on about, but yes I`m still worried, well until I see some improvement. as you said each player sale can be justified individually but putting them together as a whole a do struggle to see the bigger picture. I don't think any of us are happy with whats gone on, and even though some players have made it clear they think they are bigger than the club, it doesn't stop me from having a kind of hollow feeling inside I will still show my full support to whatever team is chosen to play and will always do that! we all cheered the kids and supported them when we were relegated from the championship, we all cheered and supported the mercenaries put together by redkrapp so we will do the same this season. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 0

9:38am Tue 29 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

The people who post that everything will be alright because Saints have £100M + to spend are living in cloud cuckoo land.

There is absolutely no guarantee that even a small amount of the huge sum will be spent during this transfer window, if it was then you should be seeing new players but your not !
The people who post that everything will be alright because Saints have £100M + to spend are living in cloud cuckoo land. There is absolutely no guarantee that even a small amount of the huge sum will be spent during this transfer window, if it was then you should be seeing new players but your not ! one in the crowd
  • Score: 4

9:38am Tue 29 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Confucious wrote:
The happy clappers on here won't like me reminding them, but over four years ago I posted this:

"Plenty of euphoria on here today, but mark my words, the appointment of Pardew is very bad news. Ok he may win the JPT or something, but then he'll be fired - leading to the appointment of a little known lower Div manager - eg Adkins at Scunny. You will all cheer when Adkins wins two successive promotions, but he'll hit the dust a few months later as Nicola brings in a suspect foreigner of the likes of Pochettinho at Espanyol. More cheering as he will keep us up and then get an eighth or better position.

"But ask yourselves...will Nichola last?....will Pochettinho stay?...and if not will there be a complete debacle and nightmare player exodus? 'No, No, No' I heard you say (especially Seed who was ecstatic and building a metaphorical flat up Nicola's @rse at the time).

"Well - come back and tell me that in July 2014." I concluded.

Some hope - you're all on my bandwagon now. We're doomed.

Of course at the time I was derided and branded a neggie for this. But where are you now?
Branding you as the finest soothsayer Saints fans are ever likely to behold only the neggies amongst us are claiming you're full of it and want a statement.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: The happy clappers on here won't like me reminding them, but over four years ago I posted this: "Plenty of euphoria on here today, but mark my words, the appointment of Pardew is very bad news. Ok he may win the JPT or something, but then he'll be fired - leading to the appointment of a little known lower Div manager - eg Adkins at Scunny. You will all cheer when Adkins wins two successive promotions, but he'll hit the dust a few months later as Nicola brings in a suspect foreigner of the likes of Pochettinho at Espanyol. More cheering as he will keep us up and then get an eighth or better position. "But ask yourselves...will Nichola last?....will Pochettinho stay?...and if not will there be a complete debacle and nightmare player exodus? 'No, No, No' I heard you say (especially Seed who was ecstatic and building a metaphorical flat up Nicola's @rse at the time). "Well - come back and tell me that in July 2014." I concluded. Some hope - you're all on my bandwagon now. We're doomed. Of course at the time I was derided and branded a neggie for this. But where are you now?[/p][/quote]Branding you as the finest soothsayer Saints fans are ever likely to behold only the neggies amongst us are claiming you're full of it and want a statement. jls217
  • Score: 0

9:40am Tue 29 Jul 14

miltonarcher says...

Boycott the Bayer 04 Leverkusen match! An empty stadium would say more than chanting outside SMS. It would also be reported in the media. Let’s show the Board what the fans think about the dismantling of the team.

Don’t talk to me about the 100 million war chest. So far the club have made derisory offers for players, for example, Marshal and Foster, why? If they were serious about rebuilding we would now have a new keeper in place.
Boycott the Bayer 04 Leverkusen match! An empty stadium would say more than chanting outside SMS. It would also be reported in the media. Let’s show the Board what the fans think about the dismantling of the team. Don’t talk to me about the 100 million war chest. So far the club have made derisory offers for players, for example, Marshal and Foster, why? If they were serious about rebuilding we would now have a new keeper in place. miltonarcher
  • Score: 3

9:40am Tue 29 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

PMSL at those who think Cortese will be "back".... if its not a no-brainer on a plate he won't touch it with a barge pole.... he would not have a clue how to progress Saints from this position and RK would not work with him.
PMSL at those who think Cortese will be "back".... if its not a no-brainer on a plate he won't touch it with a barge pole.... he would not have a clue how to progress Saints from this position and RK would not work with him. steekeemcglue
  • Score: 1

9:41am Tue 29 Jul 14

Dubsaint says...

Below is good article imo and worthy of a read however depressing....

http://www.mirror.co
.uk/sport/football/n
ews/southampton-boar
d-cannot-blamed-exod
us-3926519
Below is good article imo and worthy of a read however depressing.... http://www.mirror.co .uk/sport/football/n ews/southampton-boar d-cannot-blamed-exod us-3926519 Dubsaint
  • Score: 2

9:43am Tue 29 Jul 14

Norwegian Saint says...

I cringe at opening the football internet pages now, just a couple of months ago I was proudly showing my work colleagues the write ups we had and a smile everytime I saw the league table but now I feel a little hollow.

OK, I didn't expect all our players to stay, I was happy for Rickie, I was understandable at Shaw, I was disappointed in Adam... but then... Ronald comes in and gives us hope, 2 good signings with only the 3 gone... I can live with that. Then Lov(himself)ren and Chambers leave within 24hrs of each other and maybe followed by my favorite player Schneiderlin and probably J-Rod.
It hurts being a Saints fan at the moment. Feeling like I've been punched in the stomach everyday with people leaving and lies.
The club seems to be in the worst position since the dark Lord days. Les is becoming a joke and is turning our club into one. These are the worst times for 5 years and us LOYAL fans deserve more answers than "be patient"... sorry Fat Les, that doesn't cut it. Look at Villa, they are in need of money but have come out fighting to keep their player (Vlaar)... where have we fought with a statement of intent? WHERE?!
Thinking forward I am optimistic that our new batch of kids will learn fast and players like Reed will flourish. This season I just want survival and build on next year, anything top half will be a miracle the after this... do we believe in miracles???
I cringe at opening the football internet pages now, just a couple of months ago I was proudly showing my work colleagues the write ups we had and a smile everytime I saw the league table but now I feel a little hollow. OK, I didn't expect all our players to stay, I was happy for Rickie, I was understandable at Shaw, I was disappointed in Adam... but then... Ronald comes in and gives us hope, 2 good signings with only the 3 gone... I can live with that. Then Lov(himself)ren and Chambers leave within 24hrs of each other and maybe followed by my favorite player Schneiderlin and probably J-Rod. It hurts being a Saints fan at the moment. Feeling like I've been punched in the stomach everyday with people leaving and lies. The club seems to be in the worst position since the dark Lord days. Les is becoming a joke and is turning our club into one. These are the worst times for 5 years and us LOYAL fans deserve more answers than "be patient"... sorry Fat Les, that doesn't cut it. Look at Villa, they are in need of money but have come out fighting to keep their player (Vlaar)... where have we fought with a statement of intent? WHERE?! Thinking forward I am optimistic that our new batch of kids will learn fast and players like Reed will flourish. This season I just want survival and build on next year, anything top half will be a miracle the after this... do we believe in miracles??? Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 7

9:44am Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Barney123 wrote:
Matthew 7:26

Rings so true Saints fans!
I could never understand that plank in your eye stuff, what is that all about?
[quote][p][bold]Barney123[/bold] wrote: Matthew 7:26 Rings so true Saints fans![/p][/quote]I could never understand that plank in your eye stuff, what is that all about? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

9:44am Tue 29 Jul 14

Dartom says...

I have a new name for us Saints fans.....Mush-rooms, kept in the dark and fed on s**t.
I have a new name for us Saints fans.....Mush-rooms, kept in the dark and fed on s**t. Dartom
  • Score: 4

9:44am Tue 29 Jul 14

THEKILLER says...

why would any player want to come here?
That is why the club are having difficulty signing players. The club has no ambition no direction . It is just a cash cow for Kat and other Board members
why would any player want to come here? That is why the club are having difficulty signing players. The club has no ambition no direction . It is just a cash cow for Kat and other Board members THEKILLER
  • Score: 9

9:46am Tue 29 Jul 14

Confucious says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Boycott the Bayer 04 Leverkusen match! An empty stadium would say more than chanting outside SMS. It would also be reported in the media. Let’s show the Board what the fans think about the dismantling of the team.

Don’t talk to me about the 100 million war chest. So far the club have made derisory offers for players, for example, Marshal and Foster, why? If they were serious about rebuilding we would now have a new keeper in place.
Spot on. The board will get the message when the whole world and any prospective new signings avoid "the club with no fans" like the plague.

We could also then burn down Staplewood. When the numpty directors see that us fans are so angry that we've destroyed the academy base, they'll soon be off.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Boycott the Bayer 04 Leverkusen match! An empty stadium would say more than chanting outside SMS. It would also be reported in the media. Let’s show the Board what the fans think about the dismantling of the team. Don’t talk to me about the 100 million war chest. So far the club have made derisory offers for players, for example, Marshal and Foster, why? If they were serious about rebuilding we would now have a new keeper in place.[/p][/quote]Spot on. The board will get the message when the whole world and any prospective new signings avoid "the club with no fans" like the plague. We could also then burn down Staplewood. When the numpty directors see that us fans are so angry that we've destroyed the academy base, they'll soon be off. Confucious
  • Score: 5

9:46am Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Dartom wrote:
I have a new name for us Saints fans.....Mush-rooms, kept in the dark and fed on s**t.
I am just a fungi.
[quote][p][bold]Dartom[/bold] wrote: I have a new name for us Saints fans.....Mush-rooms, kept in the dark and fed on s**t.[/p][/quote]I am just a fungi. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

9:47am Tue 29 Jul 14

milton road says...

Saints turn over last season was an estimated 114, 000,000. The transfer fees are approx, £90,000000. At this point in time we still have player assetts of around £90,000,000 not including J Rod and Morgan which would be around 45-50,000,000. We have academy facilities worth £30,000,0000 and a ground worth around £60,000,000 plus.
No way wiould the club be sold for 50,000,000, work the sums out. More like £150,000,000-£200,
000,000 even now.
Good post Little Hitler.
Think the truth is no one knows what is in the owner's or board's mind, I am not sure even they do which is worrying. its like watching a headless chicken run around without NC running it. But yes with one man running the show it was like a pack of dominoes waiting to fall.
The ineptitude of watching this unfold and not having players ready to come in and soften the blow is simply unbelievable by people who are meant to be professional people. They have ripped the soul out of the club, put a rift between club,players and fans and feel good factor is definitely gone. Even bringing in new players will not rebuild that feeling of oneness that we faced the football world together and we could achieve anything. A philosophy put in place by NC and NA. I used to love NA's beating the drum about one family and hey weren't our fans fantastic. he was the manager that summed up everything Saints were at that moment in time and he got sh** all over by the club.
After Lawrie Mac for me he was our best manager.
Times change and what ever happens even if by some miracle the club is better that feeling of family has gone and i doubt it will ever be recaptured.
Saints turn over last season was an estimated 114, 000,000. The transfer fees are approx, £90,000000. At this point in time we still have player assetts of around £90,000,000 not including J Rod and Morgan which would be around 45-50,000,000. We have academy facilities worth £30,000,0000 and a ground worth around £60,000,000 plus. No way wiould the club be sold for 50,000,000, work the sums out. More like £150,000,000-£200, 000,000 even now. Good post Little Hitler. Think the truth is no one knows what is in the owner's or board's mind, I am not sure even they do which is worrying. its like watching a headless chicken run around without NC running it. But yes with one man running the show it was like a pack of dominoes waiting to fall. The ineptitude of watching this unfold and not having players ready to come in and soften the blow is simply unbelievable by people who are meant to be professional people. They have ripped the soul out of the club, put a rift between club,players and fans and feel good factor is definitely gone. Even bringing in new players will not rebuild that feeling of oneness that we faced the football world together and we could achieve anything. A philosophy put in place by NC and NA. I used to love NA's beating the drum about one family and hey weren't our fans fantastic. he was the manager that summed up everything Saints were at that moment in time and he got sh** all over by the club. After Lawrie Mac for me he was our best manager. Times change and what ever happens even if by some miracle the club is better that feeling of family has gone and i doubt it will ever be recaptured. milton road
  • Score: 6

9:48am Tue 29 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
Little Hitler Your post is excellently constructed and puts forward one possible scenario whilst ignoring others that are just as plausible Supposing Cortse was asked by Kat to oversee what is happening now ? Was that why he bailed out ? Perhaps he wanted to get us into the big time and then cash in because it seems transparent enough that cashing in is what Kat is doing now
Purchase price and transfers in amount to about £100m This summers transfers out could reach £150m added to the £85 from last season Then sell the club for a poultry £50 that gives a fantastic return on the
investment
Hopefully Cortese will be involved with the new owners because he did deliver on his promise. Much was made of the £30m transfer debt which was easily offset by the PL income which is guaranteed for 4 years with parachute payments
The last and scariest scenario is that Kat stays for 3 more years taking the parachute payments and allowing the club to return to L1 where it was when ML bought it
Not forgetting of course that she will be losing £250 million in SKY money and subsequently smaller gate receipts.. Or to put it another way.... What a load of bo11ocks.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Little Hitler Your post is excellently constructed and puts forward one possible scenario whilst ignoring others that are just as plausible Supposing Cortse was asked by Kat to oversee what is happening now ? Was that why he bailed out ? Perhaps he wanted to get us into the big time and then cash in because it seems transparent enough that cashing in is what Kat is doing now Purchase price and transfers in amount to about £100m This summers transfers out could reach £150m added to the £85 from last season Then sell the club for a poultry £50 that gives a fantastic return on the investment Hopefully Cortese will be involved with the new owners because he did deliver on his promise. Much was made of the £30m transfer debt which was easily offset by the PL income which is guaranteed for 4 years with parachute payments The last and scariest scenario is that Kat stays for 3 more years taking the parachute payments and allowing the club to return to L1 where it was when ML bought it[/p][/quote]Not forgetting of course that she will be losing £250 million in SKY money and subsequently smaller gate receipts.. Or to put it another way.... What a load of bo11ocks. Clever Dick
  • Score: -2

9:49am Tue 29 Jul 14

Dubsaint says...

Dubsaint wrote:
Below is good article imo and worthy of a read however depressing....

http://www.mirror.co

.uk/sport/football/n

ews/southampton-boar

d-cannot-blamed-exod

us-3926519
Apologies - I see article already discussed above........
[quote][p][bold]Dubsaint[/bold] wrote: Below is good article imo and worthy of a read however depressing.... http://www.mirror.co .uk/sport/football/n ews/southampton-boar d-cannot-blamed-exod us-3926519[/p][/quote]Apologies - I see article already discussed above........ Dubsaint
  • Score: 1

9:50am Tue 29 Jul 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Stnana wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Ozmosis wrote:
You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective:

http://www.hat-trick



.fr/southampton-est-



en-vente/

As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved.
I'd like to read that article Ozmosis - Is there an English language version of it avail on their site (or elsewhere) Thanks
Where's Strassie when we need him ?
Ha! Better to ask Killared or ElsassSaint. Their French is much better than mine.

In short, from what I could make out, the article 'Southampton Is For Sale' says that Katharina's plan is to sell the club.

It gives a brief history of the club's rise (through Markus) from L1 and who Ralph is, and is written with the assumption that Morgan and Jay ARE off to Spuds (although mentions that Morgan could unit with fellow Alsatian, Arsene Wenger. It talks about the fallout between NC and KL. It even suggests that the fans (but NOT the DE) saw NC as 'omnipotent' - it's done its research.

It goes on to talk about Christian Purslow (the one none of can remember the name of) and his roll, and compares us to the way Villa and Reading have been sold.

It concludes with some positives about possible incoming players, mostly from our feeder club in Glasgow.

I hope that helps and that our French fans will forgive any errors in my 'resumé'.
[quote][p][bold]Stnana[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective: http://www.hat-trick .fr/southampton-est- en-vente/ As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved.[/p][/quote]I'd like to read that article Ozmosis - Is there an English language version of it avail on their site (or elsewhere) Thanks[/p][/quote]Where's Strassie when we need him ?[/p][/quote]Ha! Better to ask Killared or ElsassSaint. Their French is much better than mine. In short, from what I could make out, the article 'Southampton Is For Sale' says that Katharina's plan is to sell the club. It gives a brief history of the club's rise (through Markus) from L1 and who Ralph is, and is written with the assumption that Morgan and Jay ARE off to Spuds (although mentions that Morgan could unit with fellow Alsatian, Arsene Wenger. It talks about the fallout between NC and KL. It even suggests that the fans (but NOT the DE) saw NC as 'omnipotent' - it's done its research. It goes on to talk about Christian Purslow (the one none of can remember the name of) and his roll, and compares us to the way Villa and Reading have been sold. It concludes with some positives about possible incoming players, mostly from our feeder club in Glasgow. I hope that helps and that our French fans will forgive any errors in my 'resumé'. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 5

9:51am Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Boycott the Bayer 04 Leverkusen match! An empty stadium would say more than chanting outside SMS. It would also be reported in the media. Let’s show the Board what the fans think about the dismantling of the team.

Don’t talk to me about the 100 million war chest. So far the club have made derisory offers for players, for example, Marshal and Foster, why? If they were serious about rebuilding we would now have a new keeper in place.
Sorry, but I have paid for my ticket and I want to watch Leverkusen, not bothered if the other side doesn't turn up because they haven't got any players left.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Boycott the Bayer 04 Leverkusen match! An empty stadium would say more than chanting outside SMS. It would also be reported in the media. Let’s show the Board what the fans think about the dismantling of the team. Don’t talk to me about the 100 million war chest. So far the club have made derisory offers for players, for example, Marshal and Foster, why? If they were serious about rebuilding we would now have a new keeper in place.[/p][/quote]Sorry, but I have paid for my ticket and I want to watch Leverkusen, not bothered if the other side doesn't turn up because they haven't got any players left. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

9:53am Tue 29 Jul 14

Basildonsaint says...

From the Dell to St Mary's for 50 years good times and bad I as all of you love my club with passion and loyalty. If any of our outgoing players felt the same way then we would not be in this position. If a player wants to leave then sulks, throws his toys out the pram then what can the board do other than let him go for the best price possible.
I just think it is disgusting how these players are treating the FANS and the CLUB which made them who they are today.
Let's show them all we are SOUTHAMPTON!! And as so many times before WE SHALL OVERCOME!
From the Dell to St Mary's for 50 years good times and bad I as all of you love my club with passion and loyalty. If any of our outgoing players felt the same way then we would not be in this position. If a player wants to leave then sulks, throws his toys out the pram then what can the board do other than let him go for the best price possible. I just think it is disgusting how these players are treating the FANS and the CLUB which made them who they are today. Let's show them all we are SOUTHAMPTON!! And as so many times before WE SHALL OVERCOME! Basildonsaint
  • Score: 1

9:56am Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Gadzooks Carruthers, it would appear that the natives are revolting.
If you ask me Fanshawe, those neggies have always been revolting.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Gadzooks Carruthers, it would appear that the natives are revolting.[/p][/quote]If you ask me Fanshawe, those neggies have always been revolting. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

9:56am Tue 29 Jul 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Dubsaint wrote:
Dubsaint wrote:
Below is good article imo and worthy of a read however depressing....

http://www.mirror.co


.uk/sport/football/n


ews/southampton-boar


d-cannot-blamed-exod


us-3926519
Apologies - I see article already discussed above........
No need to apologise, I think we should all read it, whatever our opinion. It's one important aspect, but of course, there are others.
[quote][p][bold]Dubsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubsaint[/bold] wrote: Below is good article imo and worthy of a read however depressing.... http://www.mirror.co .uk/sport/football/n ews/southampton-boar d-cannot-blamed-exod us-3926519[/p][/quote]Apologies - I see article already discussed above........[/p][/quote]No need to apologise, I think we should all read it, whatever our opinion. It's one important aspect, but of course, there are others. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 3

9:56am Tue 29 Jul 14

forestboy1 says...

Les Reed is not fit for purpose, he speaks with fork tongue, he say are policy is to keep are young players and sells them all, he has put us back at least two years.
He must go!
Les Reed is not fit for purpose, he speaks with fork tongue, he say are policy is to keep are young players and sells them all, he has put us back at least two years. He must go! forestboy1
  • Score: 1

9:58am Tue 29 Jul 14

Keith Olbermann says...

All the sales up to Lovren could be adequately explained away by "want away stars" who were "enticed by big money and silverware".

...but Chambers, and now Schneiderlin and JRod!?

Nah, ****. This is more consistent with stuff happening behind the scenes that we can't see. Either the players are jumping ship because they know the **** that's happening, OR, more probably, they're being pushed out the door.

My money is that we're being asset stripped to lower the valuation of the club in order to attract buyers.
All the sales up to Lovren could be adequately explained away by "want away stars" who were "enticed by big money and silverware". ...but Chambers, and now Schneiderlin and JRod!? Nah, ****. This is more consistent with stuff happening behind the scenes that we can't see. Either the players are jumping ship because they know the **** that's happening, OR, more probably, they're being pushed out the door. My money is that we're being asset stripped to lower the valuation of the club in order to attract buyers. Keith Olbermann
  • Score: 12

9:59am Tue 29 Jul 14

fascia123 says...

Little Hitler wrote:
Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so).

The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for.

What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly.

My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation).

In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice.

With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only.

So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it!

So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus.

I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game.

The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right.

Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us.

I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did.

I still have faith, just.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so). The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for. What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly. My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation). In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice. With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only. So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it! So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus. I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game. The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right. Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us. I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did. I still have faith, just.[/p][/quote]Well said. fascia123
  • Score: 0

9:59am Tue 29 Jul 14

donni1437 says...

Ironic that the one player the clubs wants to leave is still at the club.
Ironic that the one player the clubs wants to leave is still at the club. donni1437
  • Score: 13

10:00am Tue 29 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Little Hitler wrote:
Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so).

The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for.

What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly.

My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation).

In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice.

With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only.

So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it!

So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus.

I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game.

The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right.

Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us.

I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did.

I still have faith, just.
Brilliantly and articulately written. I wonder if the club's PR team take the time to read these threads. If they, do, they ignore them, I'm sure of that.

I am interested in three things.

1) Will all the income from player sales be re-invested in new players?

Personally I don't think it will. I think KL is owed money by the club because of NC's financial indiscretions. Which, I think, were acted out in the time frame between ML's death and the end of his contract. Not when ML was alive, which would indicate he didn't have ML's authority to overspend on Wanyama and Osvaldo. And I think she will recover that money. My guess is about £30M, although she may not take it in one go.

2) Is she interested in owning and operating a professional club? Again, just a guess. I don't think she is. I also don't think she has an obligation follow in her father's foot steps.

3) Will she continue to own the club and sell off young players as they become established in the first team squad? Or will she build the club up into a mid table position over one or two seasons and then sell it off having made it attractive to a rich investor? Again I think the latter, but it is only a guess.

What I want to see from her, and I'm not interested in statements from her board, is a statement of intent that shares her intent with us.

She may be the only financial share holder who is owed money. But we the supporters/fans/emot
ional shareholders of SFC and we are owed something as well. After all we are her customers!

We are owed some straight forward communication from the owner. And most of all we are all owed some respect.
[quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so). The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for. What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly. My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation). In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice. With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only. So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it! So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus. I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game. The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right. Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us. I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did. I still have faith, just.[/p][/quote]Brilliantly and articulately written. I wonder if the club's PR team take the time to read these threads. If they, do, they ignore them, I'm sure of that. I am interested in three things. 1) Will all the income from player sales be re-invested in new players? Personally I don't think it will. I think KL is owed money by the club because of NC's financial indiscretions. Which, I think, were acted out in the time frame between ML's death and the end of his contract. Not when ML was alive, which would indicate he didn't have ML's authority to overspend on Wanyama and Osvaldo. And I think she will recover that money. My guess is about £30M, although she may not take it in one go. 2) Is she interested in owning and operating a professional club? Again, just a guess. I don't think she is. I also don't think she has an obligation follow in her father's foot steps. 3) Will she continue to own the club and sell off young players as they become established in the first team squad? Or will she build the club up into a mid table position over one or two seasons and then sell it off having made it attractive to a rich investor? Again I think the latter, but it is only a guess. What I want to see from her, and I'm not interested in statements from her board, is a statement of intent that shares her intent with us. She may be the only financial share holder who is owed money. But we the supporters/fans/emot ional shareholders of SFC and we are owed something as well. After all we are her customers! We are owed some straight forward communication from the owner. And most of all we are all owed some respect. george chivers
  • Score: 6

10:01am Tue 29 Jul 14

saintbobby says...

Simon, this site has never been as busy as it has been over the last 48 hours and it takes absolutely ages to read everything.

One thing though, Poch is after Spider and Jay. Now the Board has put a price on Spider of £27 million (as reported). Based on other sales I assume Jay has to be priced about the same. So that means The Spuds will need to cough up something like £55-60 million to sign them both.

Well, that IS a lot of money and if they go we shall be very well off. On the other hand I just do not see Spuds paying that sort of money. The Spider price is reported to be as set by the Board and so must be true. Our Board NEVER lies, does it?

I have quoted before "where will it all end"? I, for one, just do not know.
Simon, this site has never been as busy as it has been over the last 48 hours and it takes absolutely ages to read everything. One thing though, Poch is after Spider and Jay. Now the Board has put a price on Spider of £27 million (as reported). Based on other sales I assume Jay has to be priced about the same. So that means The Spuds will need to cough up something like £55-60 million to sign them both. Well, that IS a lot of money and if they go we shall be very well off. On the other hand I just do not see Spuds paying that sort of money. The Spider price is reported to be as set by the Board and so must be true. Our Board NEVER lies, does it? I have quoted before "where will it all end"? I, for one, just do not know. saintbobby
  • Score: 8

10:05am Tue 29 Jul 14

Mosin85 says...

milton road wrote:
Saints turn over last season was an estimated 114, 000,000. The transfer fees are approx, £90,000000. At this point in time we still have player assetts of around £90,000,000 not including J Rod and Morgan which would be around 45-50,000,000. We have academy facilities worth £30,000,0000 and a ground worth around £60,000,000 plus.
No way wiould the club be sold for 50,000,000, work the sums out. More like £150,000,000-£200,

000,000 even now.
Good post Little Hitler.
Think the truth is no one knows what is in the owner's or board's mind, I am not sure even they do which is worrying. its like watching a headless chicken run around without NC running it. But yes with one man running the show it was like a pack of dominoes waiting to fall.
The ineptitude of watching this unfold and not having players ready to come in and soften the blow is simply unbelievable by people who are meant to be professional people. They have ripped the soul out of the club, put a rift between club,players and fans and feel good factor is definitely gone. Even bringing in new players will not rebuild that feeling of oneness that we faced the football world together and we could achieve anything. A philosophy put in place by NC and NA. I used to love NA's beating the drum about one family and hey weren't our fans fantastic. he was the manager that summed up everything Saints were at that moment in time and he got sh** all over by the club.
After Lawrie Mac for me he was our best manager.
Times change and what ever happens even if by some miracle the club is better that feeling of family has gone and i doubt it will ever be recaptured.
you cant have been a Saints fan for long cause are history is full of being torn apart by the big clubs, we where while in league 1 and championship a big club, in the Premiership we are a small club that is reality, we are not playing with the small clubs any more we are playing with the big boys and big boys don't play fair and have big big huge pockets to offer huge wages which is a luxury we don't have have.

I don't blame the board for the players leaving i blame the players, Obviously the board would keep the players which is why they offered long term contracts, but as soon as the big teams come along and wave huge money under players noises they will leave cause the players that have left ARE NOT SOUTHAMPTON FANS and so will have no loyalty to Saints as they do not love Saints. to them its just a pay check till a bigger one comes along.

If the board do not reinvest the money back into the team then we can blame the board, until then my judgement is reserved until such a time comes in 5 weeks when the market closes.

Now think long term as the club grows, one thing we have over every club in the Premiership is a fantastic youth set up. we will always have that, the big clubs will always be giving us money, and in the mean time we grow as a club gaining more and more followers until such a time comes when we can stick two fingers up at the big clubs and challenge them on both wages and transfer budget. Rome was not built in a day and neither was Manchester united........... so to expect us to be built that fast in unrealistic.........
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[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: Saints turn over last season was an estimated 114, 000,000. The transfer fees are approx, £90,000000. At this point in time we still have player assetts of around £90,000,000 not including J Rod and Morgan which would be around 45-50,000,000. We have academy facilities worth £30,000,0000 and a ground worth around £60,000,000 plus. No way wiould the club be sold for 50,000,000, work the sums out. More like £150,000,000-£200, 000,000 even now. Good post Little Hitler. Think the truth is no one knows what is in the owner's or board's mind, I am not sure even they do which is worrying. its like watching a headless chicken run around without NC running it. But yes with one man running the show it was like a pack of dominoes waiting to fall. The ineptitude of watching this unfold and not having players ready to come in and soften the blow is simply unbelievable by people who are meant to be professional people. They have ripped the soul out of the club, put a rift between club,players and fans and feel good factor is definitely gone. Even bringing in new players will not rebuild that feeling of oneness that we faced the football world together and we could achieve anything. A philosophy put in place by NC and NA. I used to love NA's beating the drum about one family and hey weren't our fans fantastic. he was the manager that summed up everything Saints were at that moment in time and he got sh** all over by the club. After Lawrie Mac for me he was our best manager. Times change and what ever happens even if by some miracle the club is better that feeling of family has gone and i doubt it will ever be recaptured.[/p][/quote]you cant have been a Saints fan for long cause are history is full of being torn apart by the big clubs, we where while in league 1 and championship a big club, in the Premiership we are a small club that is reality, we are not playing with the small clubs any more we are playing with the big boys and big boys don't play fair and have big big huge pockets to offer huge wages which is a luxury we don't have have. I don't blame the board for the players leaving i blame the players, Obviously the board would keep the players which is why they offered long term contracts, but as soon as the big teams come along and wave huge money under players noises they will leave cause the players that have left ARE NOT SOUTHAMPTON FANS and so will have no loyalty to Saints as they do not love Saints. to them its just a pay check till a bigger one comes along. If the board do not reinvest the money back into the team then we can blame the board, until then my judgement is reserved until such a time comes in 5 weeks when the market closes. Now think long term as the club grows, one thing we have over every club in the Premiership is a fantastic youth set up. we will always have that, the big clubs will always be giving us money, and in the mean time we grow as a club gaining more and more followers until such a time comes when we can stick two fingers up at the big clubs and challenge them on both wages and transfer budget. Rome was not built in a day and neither was Manchester united........... so to expect us to be built that fast in unrealistic......... ....... Mosin85
  • Score: 10

10:05am Tue 29 Jul 14

fascia123 says...

Little Hitler wrote:
Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so).

The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for.

What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly.

My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation).

In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice.

With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only.

So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it!

So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus.

I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game.

The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right.

Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us.

I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did.

I still have faith, just.
Well said sir.

I can understand the frustrations but some of the comments on this site are ridiculous.

The players rightly or wrongly have shown no loyalty to the club, the club has got the best price they could for the players.

Perhaps Cortese maverick business style is really too blame for our current position and not the owner or the board.

Give them chance to prove themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so). The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for. What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly. My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation). In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice. With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only. So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it! So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus. I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game. The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right. Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us. I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did. I still have faith, just.[/p][/quote]Well said sir. I can understand the frustrations but some of the comments on this site are ridiculous. The players rightly or wrongly have shown no loyalty to the club, the club has got the best price they could for the players. Perhaps Cortese maverick business style is really too blame for our current position and not the owner or the board. Give them chance to prove themselves. fascia123
  • Score: 1

10:06am Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seems as if fat cat Luke Shaw is having fitness problems at Manure, having to train on his own to get his fitness up to snuff.
Seems as if fat cat Luke Shaw is having fitness problems at Manure, having to train on his own to get his fitness up to snuff. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 5

10:10am Tue 29 Jul 14

Ozmosis says...

jls217 wrote:
Ozmosis wrote:
You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective:

http://www.hat-trick


.fr/southampton-est-


en-vente/

As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved.
I'd like to read that article Ozmosis - Is there an English language version of it avail on their site (or elsewhere) Thanks
I used Google Translate - it's not brilliant but you get the jist. Wht your post is downvoted is quite beyond me!
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective: http://www.hat-trick .fr/southampton-est- en-vente/ As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved.[/p][/quote]I'd like to read that article Ozmosis - Is there an English language version of it avail on their site (or elsewhere) Thanks[/p][/quote]I used Google Translate - it's not brilliant but you get the jist. Wht your post is downvoted is quite beyond me! Ozmosis
  • Score: 3

10:11am Tue 29 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seems as if fat cat Luke Shaw is having fitness problems at Manure, having to train on his own to get his fitness up to snuff.
too many burger kings and not enough threesomes! oh I do feel for the poor boy!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Seems as if fat cat Luke Shaw is having fitness problems at Manure, having to train on his own to get his fitness up to snuff.[/p][/quote]too many burger kings and not enough threesomes! oh I do feel for the poor boy! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 4

10:12am Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

THEKILLER wrote:
why would any player want to come here?
That is why the club are having difficulty signing players. The club has no ambition no direction . It is just a cash cow for Kat and other Board members
You will have to ask the right people for an answer to that, try Pelle and Tadic, could it be the money talking?
[quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: why would any player want to come here? That is why the club are having difficulty signing players. The club has no ambition no direction . It is just a cash cow for Kat and other Board members[/p][/quote]You will have to ask the right people for an answer to that, try Pelle and Tadic, could it be the money talking? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

10:17am Tue 29 Jul 14

Lehman Bros Banker says...

This was the team first game of last season away to WBA: Boruc, Chambers, Lovren, Fonte, Shaw, Schneiderlin, Lallana, Wanyama, Ward-Prowse, Lambert and Rodriguez. Who could have imagined the guts would have been ripped out of this team in just twelve months?

Ralph Kreuger? More like Freddy Kreuger. Not Nightmare on Elm Street but Nightmare on Britannia Street, and when the going gets tough Ralph gets going. It really is quite disgraceful that he should choose this critical time when the club is seemingly conducting a fire sale to leave the country and remove himself from any media responsibility. That duty has seemingly been delegated to Les Reed but after what he has said there cannot be any Saints fan now willing to trust the stated intentions of the Club as regards the players.

I trust it is just paper talk that we are being linked with Karl Jenkinson of Arsenal because that shoots down the stated intent to replace those we let go with better footballers. As if Wenger has got that one wrong!

In the absence of any statement from the Club to the contrary, it must be presumed that all this transfer activity getting players off the books is a prelude to the sale of Southampton Football Club.

Like father like daughter? Sadly not.
This was the team first game of last season away to WBA: Boruc, Chambers, Lovren, Fonte, Shaw, Schneiderlin, Lallana, Wanyama, Ward-Prowse, Lambert and Rodriguez. Who could have imagined the guts would have been ripped out of this team in just twelve months? Ralph Kreuger? More like Freddy Kreuger. Not Nightmare on Elm Street but Nightmare on Britannia Street, and when the going gets tough Ralph gets going. It really is quite disgraceful that he should choose this critical time when the club is seemingly conducting a fire sale to leave the country and remove himself from any media responsibility. That duty has seemingly been delegated to Les Reed but after what he has said there cannot be any Saints fan now willing to trust the stated intentions of the Club as regards the players. I trust it is just paper talk that we are being linked with Karl Jenkinson of Arsenal because that shoots down the stated intent to replace those we let go with better footballers. As if Wenger has got that one wrong! In the absence of any statement from the Club to the contrary, it must be presumed that all this transfer activity getting players off the books is a prelude to the sale of Southampton Football Club. Like father like daughter? Sadly not. Lehman Bros Banker
  • Score: 8

10:19am Tue 29 Jul 14

redsnapper says...

There are some media articles protecting the Board. SO WRONG

3 months ago we had the most all together and most talented young squad in the Prem, when we won, when they scored the celebrations and high 5's were 100% genuine and all inclusive. The future was bight and it was indelibly red and white.

Then along came the World Cup, the players all flew off in different directions and Les and Ralph completely lost the plot, and now the squad has been destructively dismantled

Sorry but The Board have already had their chance, and they have completely and utterly ****ed it up.
There are some media articles protecting the Board. SO WRONG 3 months ago we had the most all together and most talented young squad in the Prem, when we won, when they scored the celebrations and high 5's were 100% genuine and all inclusive. The future was bight and it was indelibly red and white. Then along came the World Cup, the players all flew off in different directions and Les and Ralph completely lost the plot, and now the squad has been destructively dismantled Sorry but The Board have already had their chance, and they have completely and utterly ****ed it up. redsnapper
  • Score: 5

10:20am Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Boruc. Clyne , Yoshida, Fonte, Targett, Wanyama, Cork, JWP, Davis, Tadic, Pelle. isn't a bad starting XI if they all turned up and played 100%.
Boruc. Clyne , Yoshida, Fonte, Targett, Wanyama, Cork, JWP, Davis, Tadic, Pelle. isn't a bad starting XI if they all turned up and played 100%. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

10:24am Tue 29 Jul 14

truelysaints says...

Its as plain as plain can be. The club is being lined up for a sale with all the family jewels having been sold off. Cortese saw this. and left perhaps ready for a buy back.
Its as plain as plain can be. The club is being lined up for a sale with all the family jewels having been sold off. Cortese saw this. and left perhaps ready for a buy back. truelysaints
  • Score: 3

10:25am Tue 29 Jul 14

Mosin85 says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
I cringe at opening the football internet pages now, just a couple of months ago I was proudly showing my work colleagues the write ups we had and a smile everytime I saw the league table but now I feel a little hollow.

OK, I didn't expect all our players to stay, I was happy for Rickie, I was understandable at Shaw, I was disappointed in Adam... but then... Ronald comes in and gives us hope, 2 good signings with only the 3 gone... I can live with that. Then Lov(himself)ren and Chambers leave within 24hrs of each other and maybe followed by my favorite player Schneiderlin and probably J-Rod.
It hurts being a Saints fan at the moment. Feeling like I've been punched in the stomach everyday with people leaving and lies.
The club seems to be in the worst position since the dark Lord days. Les is becoming a joke and is turning our club into one. These are the worst times for 5 years and us LOYAL fans deserve more answers than "be patient"... sorry Fat Les, that doesn't cut it. Look at Villa, they are in need of money but have come out fighting to keep their player (Vlaar)... where have we fought with a statement of intent? WHERE?!
Thinking forward I am optimistic that our new batch of kids will learn fast and players like Reed will flourish. This season I just want survival and build on next year, anything top half will be a miracle the after this... do we believe in miracles???
and do you really think if Van Gaal ( manchester united ) came knocking on Villa's door asking for Vlaar he wouldn't hand in a transfer request and force a move? hahahaha your living in dream land sir.....

Thing is BIG clubs want are players, big clubs dont want villa's........ they been a fav for relegation for 2 years in a row why would a big club want any of them players? villa to southampton?? hmm both clubs are about the same size you could argue that Villa are a bigger club than saints........ so he is not likely to force a move is he
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: I cringe at opening the football internet pages now, just a couple of months ago I was proudly showing my work colleagues the write ups we had and a smile everytime I saw the league table but now I feel a little hollow. OK, I didn't expect all our players to stay, I was happy for Rickie, I was understandable at Shaw, I was disappointed in Adam... but then... Ronald comes in and gives us hope, 2 good signings with only the 3 gone... I can live with that. Then Lov(himself)ren and Chambers leave within 24hrs of each other and maybe followed by my favorite player Schneiderlin and probably J-Rod. It hurts being a Saints fan at the moment. Feeling like I've been punched in the stomach everyday with people leaving and lies. The club seems to be in the worst position since the dark Lord days. Les is becoming a joke and is turning our club into one. These are the worst times for 5 years and us LOYAL fans deserve more answers than "be patient"... sorry Fat Les, that doesn't cut it. Look at Villa, they are in need of money but have come out fighting to keep their player (Vlaar)... where have we fought with a statement of intent? WHERE?! Thinking forward I am optimistic that our new batch of kids will learn fast and players like Reed will flourish. This season I just want survival and build on next year, anything top half will be a miracle the after this... do we believe in miracles???[/p][/quote]and do you really think if Van Gaal ( manchester united ) came knocking on Villa's door asking for Vlaar he wouldn't hand in a transfer request and force a move? hahahaha your living in dream land sir..... Thing is BIG clubs want are players, big clubs dont want villa's........ they been a fav for relegation for 2 years in a row why would a big club want any of them players? villa to southampton?? hmm both clubs are about the same size you could argue that Villa are a bigger club than saints........ so he is not likely to force a move is he Mosin85
  • Score: 7

10:27am Tue 29 Jul 14

miltonarcher says...

Confucious wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Boycott the Bayer 04 Leverkusen match! An empty stadium would say more than chanting outside SMS. It would also be reported in the media. Let’s show the Board what the fans think about the dismantling of the team.

Don’t talk to me about the 100 million war chest. So far the club have made derisory offers for players, for example, Marshal and Foster, why? If they were serious about rebuilding we would now have a new keeper in place.
Spot on. The board will get the message when the whole world and any prospective new signings avoid "the club with no fans" like the plague.

We could also then burn down Staplewood. When the numpty directors see that us fans are so angry that we've destroyed the academy base, they'll soon be off.
Its not the empty stadium, for a meaningless match, that will discourage prospective new signings, its the lack of vision and commitment by the Board to take the club to the next level.

A protest would at least show the fans care passionately about what is happening, and that might just encourage players to sign for SFC .

Having invested 30 million in the new training facilities at Staplewood your suggestion that we could burn it down is perhaps a little extreme, are you a frustrated pyromaniac, or just frustrated?
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Boycott the Bayer 04 Leverkusen match! An empty stadium would say more than chanting outside SMS. It would also be reported in the media. Let’s show the Board what the fans think about the dismantling of the team. Don’t talk to me about the 100 million war chest. So far the club have made derisory offers for players, for example, Marshal and Foster, why? If they were serious about rebuilding we would now have a new keeper in place.[/p][/quote]Spot on. The board will get the message when the whole world and any prospective new signings avoid "the club with no fans" like the plague. We could also then burn down Staplewood. When the numpty directors see that us fans are so angry that we've destroyed the academy base, they'll soon be off.[/p][/quote]Its not the empty stadium, for a meaningless match, that will discourage prospective new signings, its the lack of vision and commitment by the Board to take the club to the next level. A protest would at least show the fans care passionately about what is happening, and that might just encourage players to sign for SFC . Having invested 30 million in the new training facilities at Staplewood your suggestion that we could burn it down is perhaps a little extreme, are you a frustrated pyromaniac, or just frustrated? miltonarcher
  • Score: -3

10:27am Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

redsnapper wrote:
There are some media articles protecting the Board. SO WRONG

3 months ago we had the most all together and most talented young squad in the Prem, when we won, when they scored the celebrations and high 5's were 100% genuine and all inclusive. The future was bight and it was indelibly red and white.

Then along came the World Cup, the players all flew off in different directions and Les and Ralph completely lost the plot, and now the squad has been destructively dismantled

Sorry but The Board have already had their chance, and they have completely and utterly ****ed it up.
Not done yet though is it? Are you sure that RonKo isn't planning to sign only his own choices and getting rid of those that he doesn't want? It is just one of many theories still being bandied about. The rest of what you say has been repeated over and over and we still have not the faintest idea of what is really going on.
[quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: There are some media articles protecting the Board. SO WRONG 3 months ago we had the most all together and most talented young squad in the Prem, when we won, when they scored the celebrations and high 5's were 100% genuine and all inclusive. The future was bight and it was indelibly red and white. Then along came the World Cup, the players all flew off in different directions and Les and Ralph completely lost the plot, and now the squad has been destructively dismantled Sorry but The Board have already had their chance, and they have completely and utterly ****ed it up.[/p][/quote]Not done yet though is it? Are you sure that RonKo isn't planning to sign only his own choices and getting rid of those that he doesn't want? It is just one of many theories still being bandied about. The rest of what you say has been repeated over and over and we still have not the faintest idea of what is really going on. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

10:30am Tue 29 Jul 14

the cowman says...

BarnetSaint wrote:
In the cold light of day, our best hope is that she does sell the club, to someone with the passion, commitment and financial clout to realise the fantastic potential we have.
She is deconstructing all of the good work of her father and the sooner she leaves, taking the utter buffoons ( notably reed and the ice hockey bloke) mismanaging our affairs the better.
Our immediate goal are quality signings and to somehow survive this season , which is looking more unlikely by the day.
But we will bounce back.
Anyone who advocates new ownership had best be careful what they wish for. There is no guarantee that any new owner would have passion, commitment and financial clout. Ask Cardiff and Hull fans what they think of their owners.
Nicola had his wings clipped and did not like it so moved on. The chances of finding someone like Nicola who had their own money instead of someone else's is pretty slim.
I think it is far to early to judge what has happened at the club, the players want to leave in droves, I think partly because the dream they were sold is almost impossible to achieve with the Saints, but for most it has nothing to do with winning things its about bank balances. Everyone apart from Rickie has gone for cash. If Morgan and Jay go to Spurs it won't be to win things, because how many trophies have Spurs won in the last few years.
[quote][p][bold]BarnetSaint[/bold] wrote: In the cold light of day, our best hope is that she does sell the club, to someone with the passion, commitment and financial clout to realise the fantastic potential we have. She is deconstructing all of the good work of her father and the sooner she leaves, taking the utter buffoons ( notably reed and the ice hockey bloke) mismanaging our affairs the better. Our immediate goal are quality signings and to somehow survive this season , which is looking more unlikely by the day. But we will bounce back.[/p][/quote]Anyone who advocates new ownership had best be careful what they wish for. There is no guarantee that any new owner would have passion, commitment and financial clout. Ask Cardiff and Hull fans what they think of their owners. Nicola had his wings clipped and did not like it so moved on. The chances of finding someone like Nicola who had their own money instead of someone else's is pretty slim. I think it is far to early to judge what has happened at the club, the players want to leave in droves, I think partly because the dream they were sold is almost impossible to achieve with the Saints, but for most it has nothing to do with winning things its about bank balances. Everyone apart from Rickie has gone for cash. If Morgan and Jay go to Spurs it won't be to win things, because how many trophies have Spurs won in the last few years. the cowman
  • Score: 8

10:34am Tue 29 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

It's not just that we are having our team ripped apart, it's the fact that new signings are a bit thin on the ground. The new season is around the corner, the guys in Escape to victory had more time to gel. Les seems to be quite efficient at closing sales, but not so with purchases.

DISGRACEFUL!!!
It's not just that we are having our team ripped apart, it's the fact that new signings are a bit thin on the ground. The new season is around the corner, the guys in Escape to victory had more time to gel. Les seems to be quite efficient at closing sales, but not so with purchases. DISGRACEFUL!!! redandy10
  • Score: 5

10:37am Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

truelysaints wrote:
Its as plain as plain can be. The club is being lined up for a sale with all the family jewels having been sold off. Cortese saw this. and left perhaps ready for a buy back.
Top conspiracy theorising, we are getting experts at that, still don't know anything that is a hard fact.
[quote][p][bold]truelysaints[/bold] wrote: Its as plain as plain can be. The club is being lined up for a sale with all the family jewels having been sold off. Cortese saw this. and left perhaps ready for a buy back.[/p][/quote]Top conspiracy theorising, we are getting experts at that, still don't know anything that is a hard fact. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

10:39am Tue 29 Jul 14

powerfullpierre says...

Little Hitler wrote:
Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so).

The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for.

What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly.

My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation).

In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice.

With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only.

So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it!

So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus.

I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game.

The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right.

Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us.

I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did.

I still have faith, just.
Thank you for this well written articulate article. The most informative article I have seen anywhere on this subject.Makes a refreshing change from the lame Liverhampton jokes and even worse the abusive posts. I feel less despondent after reading this. Lets hope no more players leave.
[quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so). The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for. What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly. My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation). In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice. With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only. So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it! So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus. I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game. The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right. Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us. I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did. I still have faith, just.[/p][/quote]Thank you for this well written articulate article. The most informative article I have seen anywhere on this subject.Makes a refreshing change from the lame Liverhampton jokes and even worse the abusive posts. I feel less despondent after reading this. Lets hope no more players leave. powerfullpierre
  • Score: 8

10:43am Tue 29 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Boruc. Clyne , Yoshida, Fonte, Targett, Wanyama, Cork, JWP, Davis, Tadic, Pelle. isn't a bad starting XI if they all turned up and played 100%.
That side should be plenty good enough to beat Thievinskiverpool. We definitely need to strengthen before the Baggies game though.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Boruc. Clyne , Yoshida, Fonte, Targett, Wanyama, Cork, JWP, Davis, Tadic, Pelle. isn't a bad starting XI if they all turned up and played 100%.[/p][/quote]That side should be plenty good enough to beat Thievinskiverpool. We definitely need to strengthen before the Baggies game though. Clever Dick
  • Score: 3

10:48am Tue 29 Jul 14

ItchenBridger says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Gadzooks Carruthers, it would appear that the natives are revolting.
Fair thee well my Osprey friend. It is reported that the Cavalry have been sited west of Winchester so all will be well come the arrival of August.
Stand the sentry at ease. Water the horse.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Gadzooks Carruthers, it would appear that the natives are revolting.[/p][/quote]Fair thee well my Osprey friend. It is reported that the Cavalry have been sited west of Winchester so all will be well come the arrival of August. Stand the sentry at ease. Water the horse. ItchenBridger
  • Score: 3

10:54am Tue 29 Jul 14

up saints says...

fist or all this is a saints site not a english lesson site so i don't give a monkeys about my spelling or grammar.once lambert llalana and shaw left we still had hope as koeman brought in decent replacements in tadic and pelle.now chambers and lovern have left and j rod and spider going by the end of the week we are up the creek without a paddle.next week i think fonte jwp clyne and maybe taggart and borch will also leave.before the season kicks off i think koeman will walk out joined by tadic and pelle.the board has openly said any player is for sale at the right price so on that basic who would want to come here.the only hope i see is the club is put up for sale asap but i think it's too late the damage has been done.the next world cup 2018 could of been over half southampton players that is sadly only a dream now shattered in only a few long weeks in southampton history
fist or all this is a saints site not a english lesson site so i don't give a monkeys about my spelling or grammar.once lambert llalana and shaw left we still had hope as koeman brought in decent replacements in tadic and pelle.now chambers and lovern have left and j rod and spider going by the end of the week we are up the creek without a paddle.next week i think fonte jwp clyne and maybe taggart and borch will also leave.before the season kicks off i think koeman will walk out joined by tadic and pelle.the board has openly said any player is for sale at the right price so on that basic who would want to come here.the only hope i see is the club is put up for sale asap but i think it's too late the damage has been done.the next world cup 2018 could of been over half southampton players that is sadly only a dream now shattered in only a few long weeks in southampton history up saints
  • Score: -8

10:54am Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

http://www.saintsfc.
co.uk/news/article/2
9082014-liverpool-vs
-southampton-tickets
-1789045.aspx

This is where you should take your protests, if you can afford it. If you can get there e.t.c.
http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/news/article/2 9082014-liverpool-vs -southampton-tickets -1789045.aspx This is where you should take your protests, if you can afford it. If you can get there e.t.c. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

10:55am Tue 29 Jul 14

GX Saint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Boruc. Clyne , Yoshida, Fonte, Targett, Wanyama, Cork, JWP, Davis, Tadic, Pelle. isn't a bad starting XI if they all turned up and played 100%.
So who else has to leave before Gaston gets to start? I think the situation is ready made for him.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Boruc. Clyne , Yoshida, Fonte, Targett, Wanyama, Cork, JWP, Davis, Tadic, Pelle. isn't a bad starting XI if they all turned up and played 100%.[/p][/quote]So who else has to leave before Gaston gets to start? I think the situation is ready made for him. GX Saint
  • Score: 2

10:55am Tue 29 Jul 14

Skating on thin ice says...

damoose wrote:
A few months after buying Southampton he bailed out a struggling printing company in Bern, saving 50 jobs and those of 72 apprentices and becoming known as the "Wifag saviour".

After his death at the age of 62 in August 2010 and the subsequent inheritance of Mali Holdings by Katharina, she decided to make 31 employees redundant and has since been accused of failing to set a new direction for the company.

The Swiss newspaper Der Bund said that while Mali initially said that Katharina would continue her father's work, "it has become increasingly clear in recent months that Mali can't sort out the successorship".

One employee at Wifag was quoted saying: "With the death of the patron, the chicken has lost its head. For a while it continued wandering around without a sense of direction, then it bled to death."

Sounds Familiar
The original article is at
http://www.derbund.c
h/wirtschaft/unterne
hmen-und-konjunktur/
Mali-verteilt-Kuendi
gungen-und-schweigt/
story/25158017

See also
http://www.bernerzei
tung.ch/region/bern/
Jetzt-sind-die-Wifag
Stellen-endgueltig-v
erloren/story/105135
18

Just LOVE the photo....

Don't say I didn't warn you. The biggest clue was the capital restructuring of the club last summer, that enables the owner to pay herself dividends out of trading profits. The Board, of course, will all agree to this.
[quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: A few months after buying Southampton he bailed out a struggling printing company in Bern, saving 50 jobs and those of 72 apprentices and becoming known as the "Wifag saviour". After his death at the age of 62 in August 2010 and the subsequent inheritance of Mali Holdings by Katharina, she decided to make 31 employees redundant and has since been accused of failing to set a new direction for the company. The Swiss newspaper Der Bund said that while Mali initially said that Katharina would continue her father's work, "it has become increasingly clear in recent months that Mali can't sort out the successorship". One employee at Wifag was quoted saying: "With the death of the patron, the chicken has lost its head. For a while it continued wandering around without a sense of direction, then it bled to death." Sounds Familiar[/p][/quote]The original article is at http://www.derbund.c h/wirtschaft/unterne hmen-und-konjunktur/ Mali-verteilt-Kuendi gungen-und-schweigt/ story/25158017 See also http://www.bernerzei tung.ch/region/bern/ Jetzt-sind-die-Wifag Stellen-endgueltig-v erloren/story/105135 18 Just LOVE the photo.... Don't say I didn't warn you. The biggest clue was the capital restructuring of the club last summer, that enables the owner to pay herself dividends out of trading profits. The Board, of course, will all agree to this. Skating on thin ice
  • Score: 2

10:57am Tue 29 Jul 14

Harry Bong says...

As Milton Archer has said earlier "There is light at the end of the tunnel." Unnfortunately the tunnel has been sold and the light is from Anfield
As Milton Archer has said earlier "There is light at the end of the tunnel." Unnfortunately the tunnel has been sold and the light is from Anfield Harry Bong
  • Score: 1

10:58am Tue 29 Jul 14

BracknellSaint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Boruc. Clyne , Yoshida, Fonte, Targett, Wanyama, Cork, JWP, Davis, Tadic, Pelle. isn't a bad starting XI if they all turned up and played 100%.
Absolutely. And with Isgrove,Reed, Gallagher, Stephens,Kelvin, Turbull,McQueen, Rowe, Mayuka ...even Sharpe to fill the bench, it could be worse... And we'll surely bring in a minimum of 3 players in the next fortnight... I'm quietly confident these boys will do well.. More concerned about the long term effect of us selling these kids after 1-2 good seasons., but won't know if this year is a one off or not until that time comes..
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Boruc. Clyne , Yoshida, Fonte, Targett, Wanyama, Cork, JWP, Davis, Tadic, Pelle. isn't a bad starting XI if they all turned up and played 100%.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. And with Isgrove,Reed, Gallagher, Stephens,Kelvin, Turbull,McQueen, Rowe, Mayuka ...even Sharpe to fill the bench, it could be worse... And we'll surely bring in a minimum of 3 players in the next fortnight... I'm quietly confident these boys will do well.. More concerned about the long term effect of us selling these kids after 1-2 good seasons., but won't know if this year is a one off or not until that time comes.. BracknellSaint
  • Score: 2

11:01am Tue 29 Jul 14

Crossley Place Saint says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Boycott the Bayer 04 Leverkusen match! An empty stadium would say more than chanting outside SMS. It would also be reported in the media. Let’s show the Board what the fans think about the dismantling of the team.

Don’t talk to me about the 100 million war chest. So far the club have made derisory offers for players, for example, Marshal and Foster, why? If they were serious about rebuilding we would now have a new keeper in place.
Sounds a great idea, but actually a low crowd would have no effect whatever. People generally aren't willing to pay even more money to see these friendly games. We only got 4000 at the Udinese friendly at the start of 12/13, when we were just back in the Premier League and excitement was at its highest.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Boycott the Bayer 04 Leverkusen match! An empty stadium would say more than chanting outside SMS. It would also be reported in the media. Let’s show the Board what the fans think about the dismantling of the team. Don’t talk to me about the 100 million war chest. So far the club have made derisory offers for players, for example, Marshal and Foster, why? If they were serious about rebuilding we would now have a new keeper in place.[/p][/quote]Sounds a great idea, but actually a low crowd would have no effect whatever. People generally aren't willing to pay even more money to see these friendly games. We only got 4000 at the Udinese friendly at the start of 12/13, when we were just back in the Premier League and excitement was at its highest. Crossley Place Saint
  • Score: 2

11:02am Tue 29 Jul 14

Confucious says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Confucious wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Boycott the Bayer 04 Leverkusen match! An empty stadium would say more than chanting outside SMS. It would also be reported in the media. Let’s show the Board what the fans think about the dismantling of the team.

Don’t talk to me about the 100 million war chest. So far the club have made derisory offers for players, for example, Marshal and Foster, why? If they were serious about rebuilding we would now have a new keeper in place.
Spot on. The board will get the message when the whole world and any prospective new signings avoid "the club with no fans" like the plague.

We could also then burn down Staplewood. When the numpty directors see that us fans are so angry that we've destroyed the academy base, they'll soon be off.
Its not the empty stadium, for a meaningless match, that will discourage prospective new signings, its the lack of vision and commitment by the Board to take the club to the next level.

A protest would at least show the fans care passionately about what is happening, and that might just encourage players to sign for SFC .

Having invested 30 million in the new training facilities at Staplewood your suggestion that we could burn it down is perhaps a little extreme, are you a frustrated pyromaniac, or just frustrated?
I was very frustrated when my "Gay Whales Against The Bomb" protest flopped. Fukcing whales.....after all I'd done for them too.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Boycott the Bayer 04 Leverkusen match! An empty stadium would say more than chanting outside SMS. It would also be reported in the media. Let’s show the Board what the fans think about the dismantling of the team. Don’t talk to me about the 100 million war chest. So far the club have made derisory offers for players, for example, Marshal and Foster, why? If they were serious about rebuilding we would now have a new keeper in place.[/p][/quote]Spot on. The board will get the message when the whole world and any prospective new signings avoid "the club with no fans" like the plague. We could also then burn down Staplewood. When the numpty directors see that us fans are so angry that we've destroyed the academy base, they'll soon be off.[/p][/quote]Its not the empty stadium, for a meaningless match, that will discourage prospective new signings, its the lack of vision and commitment by the Board to take the club to the next level. A protest would at least show the fans care passionately about what is happening, and that might just encourage players to sign for SFC . Having invested 30 million in the new training facilities at Staplewood your suggestion that we could burn it down is perhaps a little extreme, are you a frustrated pyromaniac, or just frustrated?[/p][/quote]I was very frustrated when my "Gay Whales Against The Bomb" protest flopped. Fukcing whales.....after all I'd done for them too. Confucious
  • Score: 4

11:02am Tue 29 Jul 14

BracknellSaint says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Boruc. Clyne , Yoshida, Fonte, Targett, Wanyama, Cork, JWP, Davis, Tadic, Pelle. isn't a bad starting XI if they all turned up and played 100%.
Absolutely. And with Isgrove,Reed, Gallagher, Stephens,Kelvin, Turbull,McQueen, Rowe, Mayuka ...even Sharpe to fill the bench, it could be worse... And we'll surely bring in a minimum of 3 players in the next fortnight... I'm quietly confident these boys will do well.. More concerned about the long term effect of us selling these kids after 1-2 good seasons., but won't know if this year is a one off or not until that time comes..
And Gaston, obviously
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Boruc. Clyne , Yoshida, Fonte, Targett, Wanyama, Cork, JWP, Davis, Tadic, Pelle. isn't a bad starting XI if they all turned up and played 100%.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. And with Isgrove,Reed, Gallagher, Stephens,Kelvin, Turbull,McQueen, Rowe, Mayuka ...even Sharpe to fill the bench, it could be worse... And we'll surely bring in a minimum of 3 players in the next fortnight... I'm quietly confident these boys will do well.. More concerned about the long term effect of us selling these kids after 1-2 good seasons., but won't know if this year is a one off or not until that time comes..[/p][/quote]And Gaston, obviously BracknellSaint
  • Score: 0

11:02am Tue 29 Jul 14

mrtein says...

What Cortese achieved was brought about by borrowing money and creating debt. ( Think Man UT post Glazers). Basically, we were spending more than we earned and paying bills by borrowing money. Now whether that money was borrowed from The owner or offshore banks we don’t know. As a somebody involved in manufacturing industry ( successfully too) our owner will be more used to a business with cash reserves not built on debt ( think Man Utd before the Glazers.) The Cortese model works on the basis that each year your revenues grow and pay the debt and allow you to run the club at the same time. But as Leeds showed so spectacularly, if the growth doesn't come the bailiffs do. Whatever Katharina Leibher wants from this club I can bet it is not debt, not a drain on her own cash reserves and not a financial meltdown.

Painful as it is we have to give the blub time and our support. But the club have to help us deal with our anger and pain. Currently they are failing to do this.
What Cortese achieved was brought about by borrowing money and creating debt. ( Think Man UT post Glazers). Basically, we were spending more than we earned and paying bills by borrowing money. Now whether that money was borrowed from The owner or offshore banks we don’t know. As a somebody involved in manufacturing industry ( successfully too) our owner will be more used to a business with cash reserves not built on debt ( think Man Utd before the Glazers.) The Cortese model works on the basis that each year your revenues grow and pay the debt and allow you to run the club at the same time. But as Leeds showed so spectacularly, if the growth doesn't come the bailiffs do. Whatever Katharina Leibher wants from this club I can bet it is not debt, not a drain on her own cash reserves and not a financial meltdown. Painful as it is we have to give the blub time and our support. But the club have to help us deal with our anger and pain. Currently they are failing to do this. mrtein
  • Score: 7

11:04am Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

GX Saint wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Boruc. Clyne , Yoshida, Fonte, Targett, Wanyama, Cork, JWP, Davis, Tadic, Pelle. isn't a bad starting XI if they all turned up and played 100%.
So who else has to leave before Gaston gets to start? I think the situation is ready made for him.
Good point, Gallagher, Rambo, The Wotsit, Isgrove, Mayuka impact subs as required.
[quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Boruc. Clyne , Yoshida, Fonte, Targett, Wanyama, Cork, JWP, Davis, Tadic, Pelle. isn't a bad starting XI if they all turned up and played 100%.[/p][/quote]So who else has to leave before Gaston gets to start? I think the situation is ready made for him.[/p][/quote]Good point, Gallagher, Rambo, The Wotsit, Isgrove, Mayuka impact subs as required. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

11:07am Tue 29 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Good morning on this bright new day. We sold anyone yet?
THE EUROPEAN DREAM IS WELL AND TRULY OVER - at least for now and the FIGHT from League one has been TORPEDOED by accidental Owner and Billionairess Katherina and Ex Ice Hockey - now Chairman Ralph Krueger.

GET ON THE TELEPHONE TO DE SPORTS SECTION - TICKET OFFICE - AND SKY TV PORTS SECTION and make your feelings known and Voices heard THIS MORNING.

PROTEST : 1 Hour before Bayer Leverkusen Game and at Brighton Away - be vocal and show that as Fans WE CARE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF THIS CLUB.

COYR+WS
I've done an open letter to the club and await a response:

Dear Fat, Ralph and Les

I think you're all kunts.

Regards

Seed
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Good morning on this bright new day. We sold anyone yet?[/p][/quote]THE EUROPEAN DREAM IS WELL AND TRULY OVER - at least for now and the FIGHT from League one has been TORPEDOED by accidental Owner and Billionairess Katherina and Ex Ice Hockey - now Chairman Ralph Krueger. GET ON THE TELEPHONE TO DE SPORTS SECTION - TICKET OFFICE - AND SKY TV PORTS SECTION and make your feelings known and Voices heard THIS MORNING. PROTEST : 1 Hour before Bayer Leverkusen Game and at Brighton Away - be vocal and show that as Fans WE CARE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF THIS CLUB. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]I've done an open letter to the club and await a response: Dear Fat, Ralph and Les I think you're all kunts. Regards Seed Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -9

11:07am Tue 29 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Boruc. Clyne , Yoshida, Fonte, Targett, Wanyama, Cork, JWP, Davis, Tadic, Pelle. isn't a bad starting XI if they all turned up and played 100%.
So who else has to leave before Gaston gets to start? I think the situation is ready made for him.
Good point, Gallagher, Rambo, The Wotsit, Isgrove, Mayuka impact subs as required.
Clyne will leave....... Gaston will to...... so we need another full back and two creative midfielders imo.... not sure why we are worried about goal keeping position Boruc ain't no Banks but he will do until the ship is shored up....
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Boruc. Clyne , Yoshida, Fonte, Targett, Wanyama, Cork, JWP, Davis, Tadic, Pelle. isn't a bad starting XI if they all turned up and played 100%.[/p][/quote]So who else has to leave before Gaston gets to start? I think the situation is ready made for him.[/p][/quote]Good point, Gallagher, Rambo, The Wotsit, Isgrove, Mayuka impact subs as required.[/p][/quote]Clyne will leave....... Gaston will to...... so we need another full back and two creative midfielders imo.... not sure why we are worried about goal keeping position Boruc ain't no Banks but he will do until the ship is shored up.... steekeemcglue
  • Score: -1

11:10am Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Confucious wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Confucious wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Boycott the Bayer 04 Leverkusen match! An empty stadium would say more than chanting outside SMS. It would also be reported in the media. Let’s show the Board what the fans think about the dismantling of the team.

Don’t talk to me about the 100 million war chest. So far the club have made derisory offers for players, for example, Marshal and Foster, why? If they were serious about rebuilding we would now have a new keeper in place.
Spot on. The board will get the message when the whole world and any prospective new signings avoid "the club with no fans" like the plague.

We could also then burn down Staplewood. When the numpty directors see that us fans are so angry that we've destroyed the academy base, they'll soon be off.
Its not the empty stadium, for a meaningless match, that will discourage prospective new signings, its the lack of vision and commitment by the Board to take the club to the next level.

A protest would at least show the fans care passionately about what is happening, and that might just encourage players to sign for SFC .

Having invested 30 million in the new training facilities at Staplewood your suggestion that we could burn it down is perhaps a little extreme, are you a frustrated pyromaniac, or just frustrated?
I was very frustrated when my "Gay Whales Against The Bomb" protest flopped. Fukcing whales.....after all I'd done for them too.
Stop Blubbering at least they weren't Blue Whales.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Boycott the Bayer 04 Leverkusen match! An empty stadium would say more than chanting outside SMS. It would also be reported in the media. Let’s show the Board what the fans think about the dismantling of the team. Don’t talk to me about the 100 million war chest. So far the club have made derisory offers for players, for example, Marshal and Foster, why? If they were serious about rebuilding we would now have a new keeper in place.[/p][/quote]Spot on. The board will get the message when the whole world and any prospective new signings avoid "the club with no fans" like the plague. We could also then burn down Staplewood. When the numpty directors see that us fans are so angry that we've destroyed the academy base, they'll soon be off.[/p][/quote]Its not the empty stadium, for a meaningless match, that will discourage prospective new signings, its the lack of vision and commitment by the Board to take the club to the next level. A protest would at least show the fans care passionately about what is happening, and that might just encourage players to sign for SFC . Having invested 30 million in the new training facilities at Staplewood your suggestion that we could burn it down is perhaps a little extreme, are you a frustrated pyromaniac, or just frustrated?[/p][/quote]I was very frustrated when my "Gay Whales Against The Bomb" protest flopped. Fukcing whales.....after all I'd done for them too.[/p][/quote]Stop Blubbering at least they weren't Blue Whales. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

11:12am Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Good morning on this bright new day. We sold anyone yet?
THE EUROPEAN DREAM IS WELL AND TRULY OVER - at least for now and the FIGHT from League one has been TORPEDOED by accidental Owner and Billionairess Katherina and Ex Ice Hockey - now Chairman Ralph Krueger.

GET ON THE TELEPHONE TO DE SPORTS SECTION - TICKET OFFICE - AND SKY TV PORTS SECTION and make your feelings known and Voices heard THIS MORNING.

PROTEST : 1 Hour before Bayer Leverkusen Game and at Brighton Away - be vocal and show that as Fans WE CARE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF THIS CLUB.

COYR+WS
I've done an open letter to the club and await a response:

Dear Fat, Ralph and Les

I think you're all kunts.

Regards

Seed
They will only pick you up over your spelling.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Good morning on this bright new day. We sold anyone yet?[/p][/quote]THE EUROPEAN DREAM IS WELL AND TRULY OVER - at least for now and the FIGHT from League one has been TORPEDOED by accidental Owner and Billionairess Katherina and Ex Ice Hockey - now Chairman Ralph Krueger. GET ON THE TELEPHONE TO DE SPORTS SECTION - TICKET OFFICE - AND SKY TV PORTS SECTION and make your feelings known and Voices heard THIS MORNING. PROTEST : 1 Hour before Bayer Leverkusen Game and at Brighton Away - be vocal and show that as Fans WE CARE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF THIS CLUB. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]I've done an open letter to the club and await a response: Dear Fat, Ralph and Les I think you're all kunts. Regards Seed[/p][/quote]They will only pick you up over your spelling. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

11:15am Tue 29 Jul 14

saint christopher says...

At the moment we're all mushrooms, with no actual facts to go on in spite of all the newspaper articles now flying around purporting to be telling us the reasons behind the apparent melt-down.

The only thing that has now been categorically proved to every genuine football fan in the country is that there is now an FA/UEFA supported cartel at the top of the English game which it is virtually impossible for other clubs to compete with on level terms. The current Mirror article quoted sums up this situation.

There is now an obvious league within a league, and it only to be hoped that Saint's example might - just might - make people start to question the status quo and agitate for change (whatever that might be and however unlikely).

I believe our only realistic plan (short of being content to be a PL bit-player) is to continue to maximise our quite unique strengths. This surely means carrying on developing and where necessary selling at premium prices good English players, BUT then using these funds to

(a) ensure we have a team of Academy players supported by experienced good quality players from either here or abroad

(b) go towards developing a new or larger ground so that in 3,4,5 year's time we have the fan base to realistically challenge the foreign-owner supported elite.

Whilst gutted at what has happened, the presence of Koeman is the one bit of light at the end of this very dark tunnel as I cannot believe he came here with no idea of what was in store. Indeed it wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't lured by the type of vision I've just stated.

If that is just pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking on my part and he's in fact had the rug pulled from underneath him , then it would come as no surprise if we next heard of his resignation, which would surely lead to the deafening sound of muffled gun shots around the Southampton area as Saints fans finally give up and decide to end the pain and suffering once and for all.

At the end of the day I don't know, and in reality neither does anyone else. But by the end of August we'll certainly have a far better idea.
At the moment we're all mushrooms, with no actual facts to go on in spite of all the newspaper articles now flying around purporting to be telling us the reasons behind the apparent melt-down. The only thing that has now been categorically proved to every genuine football fan in the country is that there is now an FA/UEFA supported cartel at the top of the English game which it is virtually impossible for other clubs to compete with on level terms. The current Mirror article quoted sums up this situation. There is now an obvious league within a league, and it only to be hoped that Saint's example might - just might - make people start to question the status quo and agitate for change (whatever that might be and however unlikely). I believe our only realistic plan (short of being content to be a PL bit-player) is to continue to maximise our quite unique strengths. This surely means carrying on developing and where necessary selling at premium prices good English players, BUT then using these funds to (a) ensure we have a team of Academy players supported by experienced good quality players from either here or abroad (b) go towards developing a new or larger ground so that in 3,4,5 year's time we have the fan base to realistically challenge the foreign-owner supported elite. Whilst gutted at what has happened, the presence of Koeman is the one bit of light at the end of this very dark tunnel as I cannot believe he came here with no idea of what was in store. Indeed it wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't lured by the type of vision I've just stated. If that is just pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking on my part and he's in fact had the rug pulled from underneath him , then it would come as no surprise if we next heard of his resignation, which would surely lead to the deafening sound of muffled gun shots around the Southampton area as Saints fans finally give up and decide to end the pain and suffering once and for all. At the end of the day I don't know, and in reality neither does anyone else. But by the end of August we'll certainly have a far better idea. saint christopher
  • Score: 3

11:19am Tue 29 Jul 14

TGodSFC says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Boruc. Clyne , Yoshida, Fonte, Targett, Wanyama, Cork, JWP, Davis, Tadic, Pelle. isn't a bad starting XI if they all turned up and played 100%.
So who else has to leave before Gaston gets to start? I think the situation is ready made for him.
Good point, Gallagher, Rambo, The Wotsit, Isgrove, Mayuka impact subs as required.
Times are stating Clyne, Fonte and Cork want out now too. I'm being suicidal
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Boruc. Clyne , Yoshida, Fonte, Targett, Wanyama, Cork, JWP, Davis, Tadic, Pelle. isn't a bad starting XI if they all turned up and played 100%.[/p][/quote]So who else has to leave before Gaston gets to start? I think the situation is ready made for him.[/p][/quote]Good point, Gallagher, Rambo, The Wotsit, Isgrove, Mayuka impact subs as required.[/p][/quote]Times are stating Clyne, Fonte and Cork want out now too. I'm being suicidal TGodSFC
  • Score: 0

11:24am Tue 29 Jul 14

SOLENTDRIFTER says...

Little Hitler wrote:
Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so).

The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for.

What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly.

My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation).

In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice.

With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only.

So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it!

So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus.

I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game.

The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right.

Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us.

I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did.

I still have faith, just.
5 stars for this tweet.... No, make that ten....
[quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so). The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for. What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly. My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation). In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice. With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only. So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it! So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus. I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game. The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right. Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us. I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did. I still have faith, just.[/p][/quote]5 stars for this tweet.... No, make that ten.... SOLENTDRIFTER
  • Score: 1

11:25am Tue 29 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Dartom wrote:
I have a new name for us Saints fans.....Mush-rooms, kept in the dark and fed on s**t.
I am just a fungi.
That should be a fungus. Fungi is plural. Thought you'd like to know.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dartom[/bold] wrote: I have a new name for us Saints fans.....Mush-rooms, kept in the dark and fed on s**t.[/p][/quote]I am just a fungi.[/p][/quote]That should be a fungus. Fungi is plural. Thought you'd like to know. Rising_Son
  • Score: 2

11:26am Tue 29 Jul 14

cebu blue says...

milton road wrote:
Saints turn over last season was an estimated 114, 000,000. The transfer fees are approx, £90,000000. At this point in time we still have player assetts of around £90,000,000 not including J Rod and Morgan which would be around 45-50,000,000. We have academy facilities worth £30,000,0000 and a ground worth around £60,000,000 plus.
No way wiould the club be sold for 50,000,000, work the sums out. More like £150,000,000-£200,

000,000 even now.
Good post Little Hitler.
Think the truth is no one knows what is in the owner's or board's mind, I am not sure even they do which is worrying. its like watching a headless chicken run around without NC running it. But yes with one man running the show it was like a pack of dominoes waiting to fall.
The ineptitude of watching this unfold and not having players ready to come in and soften the blow is simply unbelievable by people who are meant to be professional people. They have ripped the soul out of the club, put a rift between club,players and fans and feel good factor is definitely gone. Even bringing in new players will not rebuild that feeling of oneness that we faced the football world together and we could achieve anything. A philosophy put in place by NC and NA. I used to love NA's beating the drum about one family and hey weren't our fans fantastic. he was the manager that summed up everything Saints were at that moment in time and he got sh** all over by the club.
After Lawrie Mac for me he was our best manager.
Times change and what ever happens even if by some miracle the club is better that feeling of family has gone and i doubt it will ever be recaptured.
Shame you have not much to show for it all... only despair.
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: Saints turn over last season was an estimated 114, 000,000. The transfer fees are approx, £90,000000. At this point in time we still have player assetts of around £90,000,000 not including J Rod and Morgan which would be around 45-50,000,000. We have academy facilities worth £30,000,0000 and a ground worth around £60,000,000 plus. No way wiould the club be sold for 50,000,000, work the sums out. More like £150,000,000-£200, 000,000 even now. Good post Little Hitler. Think the truth is no one knows what is in the owner's or board's mind, I am not sure even they do which is worrying. its like watching a headless chicken run around without NC running it. But yes with one man running the show it was like a pack of dominoes waiting to fall. The ineptitude of watching this unfold and not having players ready to come in and soften the blow is simply unbelievable by people who are meant to be professional people. They have ripped the soul out of the club, put a rift between club,players and fans and feel good factor is definitely gone. Even bringing in new players will not rebuild that feeling of oneness that we faced the football world together and we could achieve anything. A philosophy put in place by NC and NA. I used to love NA's beating the drum about one family and hey weren't our fans fantastic. he was the manager that summed up everything Saints were at that moment in time and he got sh** all over by the club. After Lawrie Mac for me he was our best manager. Times change and what ever happens even if by some miracle the club is better that feeling of family has gone and i doubt it will ever be recaptured.[/p][/quote]Shame you have not much to show for it all... only despair. cebu blue
  • Score: 0

11:28am Tue 29 Jul 14

NY Saint says...

There's a lot of pro-cortese stuff around, but I'm not so sure. It's entirely conceivable that he saw that his five year plan had hit the inenvitable glass ceiling. Champions league for saints needs a 50 year plan involving a 55000 sweater stadium, a worldwide name, and being the team of the south drawing fans from everywhere. Im In nyc - the big 5 have fans everywhere here. we sure dont. for corteses plan to succeed thats the kindnof thing that would have to change. There's no way we could have kept everyone we've lost on those wages they now get without going bust. He very possibly saw that and got out before it went bad so he'd look good.

Now I just hope no one else goes although certainly not to spurs. I get the feeling we just have to clean house and start over, and all I can say is that at lease we have over a hundred million to do it with. The problems start if we only spend 25 ,million. People have to know the club is still for real - spending most of the income is the only way to do that. Go make an offer for Fellaini, or someone of that ilk. Too bad we missed de vrij. Tis is what is making the board look real bad, and they had better fix it.
There's a lot of pro-cortese stuff around, but I'm not so sure. It's entirely conceivable that he saw that his five year plan had hit the inenvitable glass ceiling. Champions league for saints needs a 50 year plan involving a 55000 sweater stadium, a worldwide name, and being the team of the south drawing fans from everywhere. Im In nyc - the big 5 have fans everywhere here. we sure dont. for corteses plan to succeed thats the kindnof thing that would have to change. There's no way we could have kept everyone we've lost on those wages they now get without going bust. He very possibly saw that and got out before it went bad so he'd look good. Now I just hope no one else goes although certainly not to spurs. I get the feeling we just have to clean house and start over, and all I can say is that at lease we have over a hundred million to do it with. The problems start if we only spend 25 ,million. People have to know the club is still for real - spending most of the income is the only way to do that. Go make an offer for Fellaini, or someone of that ilk. Too bad we missed de vrij. Tis is what is making the board look real bad, and they had better fix it. NY Saint
  • Score: 4

11:29am Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Rising_Son wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Dartom wrote:
I have a new name for us Saints fans.....Mush-rooms, kept in the dark and fed on s**t.
I am just a fungi.
That should be a fungus. Fungi is plural. Thought you'd like to know.
That would ruin the joke though unless my name was Gus.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dartom[/bold] wrote: I have a new name for us Saints fans.....Mush-rooms, kept in the dark and fed on s**t.[/p][/quote]I am just a fungi.[/p][/quote]That should be a fungus. Fungi is plural. Thought you'd like to know.[/p][/quote]That would ruin the joke though unless my name was Gus. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:30am Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

cebu blue wrote:
milton road wrote:
Saints turn over last season was an estimated 114, 000,000. The transfer fees are approx, £90,000000. At this point in time we still have player assetts of around £90,000,000 not including J Rod and Morgan which would be around 45-50,000,000. We have academy facilities worth £30,000,0000 and a ground worth around £60,000,000 plus.
No way wiould the club be sold for 50,000,000, work the sums out. More like £150,000,000-£200,


000,000 even now.
Good post Little Hitler.
Think the truth is no one knows what is in the owner's or board's mind, I am not sure even they do which is worrying. its like watching a headless chicken run around without NC running it. But yes with one man running the show it was like a pack of dominoes waiting to fall.
The ineptitude of watching this unfold and not having players ready to come in and soften the blow is simply unbelievable by people who are meant to be professional people. They have ripped the soul out of the club, put a rift between club,players and fans and feel good factor is definitely gone. Even bringing in new players will not rebuild that feeling of oneness that we faced the football world together and we could achieve anything. A philosophy put in place by NC and NA. I used to love NA's beating the drum about one family and hey weren't our fans fantastic. he was the manager that summed up everything Saints were at that moment in time and he got sh** all over by the club.
After Lawrie Mac for me he was our best manager.
Times change and what ever happens even if by some miracle the club is better that feeling of family has gone and i doubt it will ever be recaptured.
Shame you have not much to show for it all... only despair.
Despair can be temporary.
[quote][p][bold]cebu blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: Saints turn over last season was an estimated 114, 000,000. The transfer fees are approx, £90,000000. At this point in time we still have player assetts of around £90,000,000 not including J Rod and Morgan which would be around 45-50,000,000. We have academy facilities worth £30,000,0000 and a ground worth around £60,000,000 plus. No way wiould the club be sold for 50,000,000, work the sums out. More like £150,000,000-£200, 000,000 even now. Good post Little Hitler. Think the truth is no one knows what is in the owner's or board's mind, I am not sure even they do which is worrying. its like watching a headless chicken run around without NC running it. But yes with one man running the show it was like a pack of dominoes waiting to fall. The ineptitude of watching this unfold and not having players ready to come in and soften the blow is simply unbelievable by people who are meant to be professional people. They have ripped the soul out of the club, put a rift between club,players and fans and feel good factor is definitely gone. Even bringing in new players will not rebuild that feeling of oneness that we faced the football world together and we could achieve anything. A philosophy put in place by NC and NA. I used to love NA's beating the drum about one family and hey weren't our fans fantastic. he was the manager that summed up everything Saints were at that moment in time and he got sh** all over by the club. After Lawrie Mac for me he was our best manager. Times change and what ever happens even if by some miracle the club is better that feeling of family has gone and i doubt it will ever be recaptured.[/p][/quote]Shame you have not much to show for it all... only despair.[/p][/quote]Despair can be temporary. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

11:32am Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

TGodSFC wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Boruc. Clyne , Yoshida, Fonte, Targett, Wanyama, Cork, JWP, Davis, Tadic, Pelle. isn't a bad starting XI if they all turned up and played 100%.
So who else has to leave before Gaston gets to start? I think the situation is ready made for him.
Good point, Gallagher, Rambo, The Wotsit, Isgrove, Mayuka impact subs as required.
Times are stating Clyne, Fonte and Cork want out now too. I'm being suicidal
You will cheer me up soon when you tell me Osvaldo has decided to stay after all.
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Boruc. Clyne , Yoshida, Fonte, Targett, Wanyama, Cork, JWP, Davis, Tadic, Pelle. isn't a bad starting XI if they all turned up and played 100%.[/p][/quote]So who else has to leave before Gaston gets to start? I think the situation is ready made for him.[/p][/quote]Good point, Gallagher, Rambo, The Wotsit, Isgrove, Mayuka impact subs as required.[/p][/quote]Times are stating Clyne, Fonte and Cork want out now too. I'm being suicidal[/p][/quote]You will cheer me up soon when you tell me Osvaldo has decided to stay after all. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:35am Tue 29 Jul 14

oh when the saints says...

Ozmosis wrote:
You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective:

http://www.hat-trick

.fr/southampton-est-

en-vente/

As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved.
I doubt it very much - Cortese is sold up and out of Southampton now.
[quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective: http://www.hat-trick .fr/southampton-est- en-vente/ As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved.[/p][/quote]I doubt it very much - Cortese is sold up and out of Southampton now. oh when the saints
  • Score: 7

11:37am Tue 29 Jul 14

Churchill Saint says...

I have occasionally posted comments on this forum and have always been in the so-called Happy Clappy camp and have tried to take a very positive view of the situation based on the few facts we know. I never believed the fire-sale/asset stripping arguments and genuinely believed that the loss of MP, RL, AL, LS and DL was part of major restructuring job that KL had decided to implement in the wake of NC’s departure. HOWEVER, I simply could not understand the sale of Chambers to Arsenal and the likely sales of MS and JRod. So, I admit it and I apologise to those I described as neg heads. They were right and I was wrong.

I think Little Hitler makes some very good points in his post on this thread. However, I disagree. I am now convinced that KL is not only trying to sell the club but is also first selling off the best ‘assets’, pocketing the cash and then selling the club. All the evidence points to that. KL is a successful business woman. She has no interest in football. SFC is like any other of the Liebherr operations that she controls. When there is a good opportunity to sell to maximise return on investment (ROI), she will do it. There is no emotion in this decision, and certainly no intention to support the wishes of her late father. It’s business. Fact. And the opportunity to get extraordinarily high ROI happened this year when the new Sky TV deal, combined with the additional money for qualifying for Champions League, meant that the big 5 EPL clubs had a lot more money than usual to invest, and were willing to pay well over the odds. Combine that with the UEFA imposing limits of the number of foreigners in the squad for teams competing in Europe, it makes young, ENGLISH talent even more attractive. Everyone, including KL, knew that SFC is the one stop shop for young, English talent.
I believe that as soon as NC resigned, KL made the decision to sell and to maximise her ROI with no thought of the consequences to the club and fans. I think her plan was to draw up a list of current players who could be sold at over market prices and actively sell them off. Les Reed was instructed to do the job and is probably on a ‘bonus’ based on cash raised. I think her plan was to maximise revenue whilst still leaving just enough players from the squad, the Academy and new players in to ensure we remain in the premier league this season. The value of a premiership club being so much higher than one that was relegated. So effectively, she would get 2 bites of the cherry; she makes, say, around £100m net, after player sales and purchases and still sells a Premiership Club, with a world famous academy etc etc for another £100m+. £200m+ is not a bad return on investment. Good business for Liebherr Group. RoKo was brought in, in the full knowledge of the imminent sales of leading players, but still given a decent kitty (say £50m) to bring in his own players to build a team using the remainder of the squad and new youngsters from the Academy. It all fits. Chambers was on the list, Arsenal has shown a previous interest, so Les approached them and said he was available, at the right price of course. Even Wenger admitted it was a risk to spend so much on English potential. But someone like Harrison Reed was not on the list. So sign him up on a L/T contract, to tie him into the ‘new’ club. Of course Les is going to bluster about not wanting to let young talent go, but if they wanted to they could, on Southampton terms. But that is just a bluff to get the highest price and make it appear acceptable to fans. Maybe once or twice, Les, but we have stopped buying that story long ago.
Ralph was clearly brought in to sell the club (what remained). I guess that’s what he is trying to do now and would explain his disappearance act. My guess he has a lot of contacts with US sports franchises, who are prime candidates to buy a EPL team.

The trouble is, this cunning plan is not going to work, IMO. KL is treating our club just like a factory; if you invest enough in the machines (sorry, players), they will produce enough output to keep the side in the premiership. But this shows up her lack of football knowledge. To stay in the premiership you need a team that is fully committed, work as a team and have some pride in the club. But you don’t get these ingredients when the heart has been ripped out of the team but the people who own it and run it. However good RoKo is, he has a real challenge ahead of him this season and we may struggle to survive. I hope I am wrong.
I am not sure whether we have seen the last of NC – possibly not. It would not surprise me in the least if he has teamed up with a mega rich oligarch and bids to buy the club. I am not sure I would welcome that, in the same way that I don’t envy Man. City fans these days. Or maybe NC will join up with his old Argie mucker at Spurs, in some capacity.
I am very disappointed to the lack of investigative reporting from the DE. This is the biggest sporting story in Hampshire for the last 5 years and they have added nothing new. Compare with Ben Smith of the BBC who actually predicted what is happening now more than 6 months ago. I quote from his article of 16th Jan. 2014 entitled What does Cortese Exit mean for Southampton (still on the BBC/Southampton website, by the way). “And yet divisions off the field could not be avoided. Southampton fans will do their best to ignore the thought of the worst case scenario - chairman, manager, star players and ultimately an owner disappearing in a blur.” Shame that a BBC reporter could investigate and conclude that 7 months ago whilst DE reporters are none the wiser than the rest of us.
Frankly, I find this all very depressing. Saints have been hit by a perfect storm of a ruthless business woman wanting to maximise ROI at all costs, and a Football League that is epitomised by greed, TV money, agents, player disloyalty, disrespect of fans and favour for the mega-rich few. When a business sells off one of its operations, there is at least some protection for the employees by company law and trade Union support. However, when a business sells off a football club, there is absolutely no protection for the fans whose money and support used to be the life blood of the club. I can never stop supporting my beloved Saints, but I think I am going to spend more time on other, less tainted pastimes than football.
I have occasionally posted comments on this forum and have always been in the so-called Happy Clappy camp and have tried to take a very positive view of the situation based on the few facts we know. I never believed the fire-sale/asset stripping arguments and genuinely believed that the loss of MP, RL, AL, LS and DL was part of major restructuring job that KL had decided to implement in the wake of NC’s departure. HOWEVER, I simply could not understand the sale of Chambers to Arsenal and the likely sales of MS and JRod. So, I admit it and I apologise to those I described as neg heads. They were right and I was wrong. I think Little Hitler makes some very good points in his post on this thread. However, I disagree. I am now convinced that KL is not only trying to sell the club but is also first selling off the best ‘assets’, pocketing the cash and then selling the club. All the evidence points to that. KL is a successful business woman. She has no interest in football. SFC is like any other of the Liebherr operations that she controls. When there is a good opportunity to sell to maximise return on investment (ROI), she will do it. There is no emotion in this decision, and certainly no intention to support the wishes of her late father. It’s business. Fact. And the opportunity to get extraordinarily high ROI happened this year when the new Sky TV deal, combined with the additional money for qualifying for Champions League, meant that the big 5 EPL clubs had a lot more money than usual to invest, and were willing to pay well over the odds. Combine that with the UEFA imposing limits of the number of foreigners in the squad for teams competing in Europe, it makes young, ENGLISH talent even more attractive. Everyone, including KL, knew that SFC is the one stop shop for young, English talent. I believe that as soon as NC resigned, KL made the decision to sell and to maximise her ROI with no thought of the consequences to the club and fans. I think her plan was to draw up a list of current players who could be sold at over market prices and actively sell them off. Les Reed was instructed to do the job and is probably on a ‘bonus’ based on cash raised. I think her plan was to maximise revenue whilst still leaving just enough players from the squad, the Academy and new players in to ensure we remain in the premier league this season. The value of a premiership club being so much higher than one that was relegated. So effectively, she would get 2 bites of the cherry; she makes, say, around £100m net, after player sales and purchases and still sells a Premiership Club, with a world famous academy etc etc for another £100m+. £200m+ is not a bad return on investment. Good business for Liebherr Group. RoKo was brought in, in the full knowledge of the imminent sales of leading players, but still given a decent kitty (say £50m) to bring in his own players to build a team using the remainder of the squad and new youngsters from the Academy. It all fits. Chambers was on the list, Arsenal has shown a previous interest, so Les approached them and said he was available, at the right price of course. Even Wenger admitted it was a risk to spend so much on English potential. But someone like Harrison Reed was not on the list. So sign him up on a L/T contract, to tie him into the ‘new’ club. Of course Les is going to bluster about not wanting to let young talent go, but if they wanted to they could, on Southampton terms. But that is just a bluff to get the highest price and make it appear acceptable to fans. Maybe once or twice, Les, but we have stopped buying that story long ago. Ralph was clearly brought in to sell the club (what remained). I guess that’s what he is trying to do now and would explain his disappearance act. My guess he has a lot of contacts with US sports franchises, who are prime candidates to buy a EPL team. The trouble is, this cunning plan is not going to work, IMO. KL is treating our club just like a factory; if you invest enough in the machines (sorry, players), they will produce enough output to keep the side in the premiership. But this shows up her lack of football knowledge. To stay in the premiership you need a team that is fully committed, work as a team and have some pride in the club. But you don’t get these ingredients when the heart has been ripped out of the team but the people who own it and run it. However good RoKo is, he has a real challenge ahead of him this season and we may struggle to survive. I hope I am wrong. I am not sure whether we have seen the last of NC – possibly not. It would not surprise me in the least if he has teamed up with a mega rich oligarch and bids to buy the club. I am not sure I would welcome that, in the same way that I don’t envy Man. City fans these days. Or maybe NC will join up with his old Argie mucker at Spurs, in some capacity. I am very disappointed to the lack of investigative reporting from the DE. This is the biggest sporting story in Hampshire for the last 5 years and they have added nothing new. Compare with Ben Smith of the BBC who actually predicted what is happening now more than 6 months ago. I quote from his article of 16th Jan. 2014 entitled What does Cortese Exit mean for Southampton (still on the BBC/Southampton website, by the way). “And yet divisions off the field could not be avoided. Southampton fans will do their best to ignore the thought of the worst case scenario - chairman, manager, star players and ultimately an owner disappearing in a blur.” Shame that a BBC reporter could investigate and conclude that 7 months ago whilst DE reporters are none the wiser than the rest of us. Frankly, I find this all very depressing. Saints have been hit by a perfect storm of a ruthless business woman wanting to maximise ROI at all costs, and a Football League that is epitomised by greed, TV money, agents, player disloyalty, disrespect of fans and favour for the mega-rich few. When a business sells off one of its operations, there is at least some protection for the employees by company law and trade Union support. However, when a business sells off a football club, there is absolutely no protection for the fans whose money and support used to be the life blood of the club. I can never stop supporting my beloved Saints, but I think I am going to spend more time on other, less tainted pastimes than football. Churchill Saint
  • Score: 7

11:38am Tue 29 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
50 Years A Supporter wrote:
I have to agree with most of the comments on here. I am disgusted by the policy of selling all the best players! Unless we start signing players NOW we are definitely in line for a relegation scrap. God knows why Koeman agreed to come here! You cannot sell 5-7 top players and replace them straightaway to gel in a new line-up. All Cortese's good work has been ruined and I hope the club is sold to someone who cares about it!
you are having a laugh as are all those saying we are in a "relegation" scrap... you obviously know naff all about football. Take a look at the other clubs , take a look at their teams/squads..... £100M will steady the ship and allow us to build stability and a team on Ron's terms and lets look at his track record so far .... he has identified two quality players ..... and secured their services. These are not players who would have signed for a team threatened with relegation, they are players who would have signed up for a team building phase and there will be more.
The players were bought when we still had a very good team. Did Pele and Tadic realise that 5 or 7 players would be old in total.

Is it now possible to attract quality foreign players here on lower wages with our current team?
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]50 Years A Supporter[/bold] wrote: I have to agree with most of the comments on here. I am disgusted by the policy of selling all the best players! Unless we start signing players NOW we are definitely in line for a relegation scrap. God knows why Koeman agreed to come here! You cannot sell 5-7 top players and replace them straightaway to gel in a new line-up. All Cortese's good work has been ruined and I hope the club is sold to someone who cares about it![/p][/quote]you are having a laugh as are all those saying we are in a "relegation" scrap... you obviously know naff all about football. Take a look at the other clubs , take a look at their teams/squads..... £100M will steady the ship and allow us to build stability and a team on Ron's terms and lets look at his track record so far .... he has identified two quality players ..... and secured their services. These are not players who would have signed for a team threatened with relegation, they are players who would have signed up for a team building phase and there will be more.[/p][/quote]The players were bought when we still had a very good team. Did Pele and Tadic realise that 5 or 7 players would be old in total. Is it now possible to attract quality foreign players here on lower wages with our current team? Saints n Winners
  • Score: 1

11:42am Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Harry Bong wrote:
As Milton Archer has said earlier "There is light at the end of the tunnel." Unnfortunately the tunnel has been sold and the light is from Anfield
If you are at the end of the tunnel and see a light, it is time to move, there is probably a train coming.
[quote][p][bold]Harry Bong[/bold] wrote: As Milton Archer has said earlier "There is light at the end of the tunnel." Unnfortunately the tunnel has been sold and the light is from Anfield[/p][/quote]If you are at the end of the tunnel and see a light, it is time to move, there is probably a train coming. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

11:43am Tue 29 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
50 Years A Supporter wrote:
I have to agree with most of the comments on here. I am disgusted by the policy of selling all the best players! Unless we start signing players NOW we are definitely in line for a relegation scrap. God knows why Koeman agreed to come here! You cannot sell 5-7 top players and replace them straightaway to gel in a new line-up. All Cortese's good work has been ruined and I hope the club is sold to someone who cares about it!
you are having a laugh as are all those saying we are in a "relegation" scrap... you obviously know naff all about football. Take a look at the other clubs , take a look at their teams/squads..... £100M will steady the ship and allow us to build stability and a team on Ron's terms and lets look at his track record so far .... he has identified two quality players ..... and secured their services. These are not players who would have signed for a team threatened with relegation, they are players who would have signed up for a team building phase and there will be more.
The players were bought when we still had a very good team. Did Pele and Tadic realise that 5 or 7 players would be old in total.

Is it now possible to attract quality foreign players here on lower wages with our current team?
you need to look at pay and conditions in the French/Spanish/Germa
n/Belgian/ leagues... I left out Italy for a reason. There will no problem attracting the right sort of players to Saints.... Pelle and Tadic would have been told the truth , that they are part of the new era....
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]50 Years A Supporter[/bold] wrote: I have to agree with most of the comments on here. I am disgusted by the policy of selling all the best players! Unless we start signing players NOW we are definitely in line for a relegation scrap. God knows why Koeman agreed to come here! You cannot sell 5-7 top players and replace them straightaway to gel in a new line-up. All Cortese's good work has been ruined and I hope the club is sold to someone who cares about it![/p][/quote]you are having a laugh as are all those saying we are in a "relegation" scrap... you obviously know naff all about football. Take a look at the other clubs , take a look at their teams/squads..... £100M will steady the ship and allow us to build stability and a team on Ron's terms and lets look at his track record so far .... he has identified two quality players ..... and secured their services. These are not players who would have signed for a team threatened with relegation, they are players who would have signed up for a team building phase and there will be more.[/p][/quote]The players were bought when we still had a very good team. Did Pele and Tadic realise that 5 or 7 players would be old in total. Is it now possible to attract quality foreign players here on lower wages with our current team?[/p][/quote]you need to look at pay and conditions in the French/Spanish/Germa n/Belgian/ leagues... I left out Italy for a reason. There will no problem attracting the right sort of players to Saints.... Pelle and Tadic would have been told the truth , that they are part of the new era.... steekeemcglue
  • Score: 3

11:45am Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

TGodSFC wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Boruc. Clyne , Yoshida, Fonte, Targett, Wanyama, Cork, JWP, Davis, Tadic, Pelle. isn't a bad starting XI if they all turned up and played 100%.
So who else has to leave before Gaston gets to start? I think the situation is ready made for him.
Good point, Gallagher, Rambo, The Wotsit, Isgrove, Mayuka impact subs as required.
Times are stating Clyne, Fonte and Cork want out now too. I'm being suicidal
Hope you aren't at the end of a tunnel too.
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Boruc. Clyne , Yoshida, Fonte, Targett, Wanyama, Cork, JWP, Davis, Tadic, Pelle. isn't a bad starting XI if they all turned up and played 100%.[/p][/quote]So who else has to leave before Gaston gets to start? I think the situation is ready made for him.[/p][/quote]Good point, Gallagher, Rambo, The Wotsit, Isgrove, Mayuka impact subs as required.[/p][/quote]Times are stating Clyne, Fonte and Cork want out now too. I'm being suicidal[/p][/quote]Hope you aren't at the end of a tunnel too. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:50am Tue 29 Jul 14

SNUGGLES 78 says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
50 Years A Supporter wrote:
I have to agree with most of the comments on here. I am disgusted by the policy of selling all the best players! Unless we start signing players NOW we are definitely in line for a relegation scrap. God knows why Koeman agreed to come here! You cannot sell 5-7 top players and replace them straightaway to gel in a new line-up. All Cortese's good work has been ruined and I hope the club is sold to someone who cares about it!
you are having a laugh as are all those saying we are in a "relegation" scrap... you obviously know naff all about football. Take a look at the other clubs , take a look at their teams/squads..... £100M will steady the ship and allow us to build stability and a team on Ron's terms and lets look at his track record so far .... he has identified two quality players ..... and secured their services. These are not players who would have signed for a team threatened with relegation, they are players who would have signed up for a team building phase and there will be more.
The players were bought when we still had a very good team. Did Pele and Tadic realise that 5 or 7 players would be old in total.

Is it now possible to attract quality foreign players here on lower wages with our current team?
Win nowt with kids ,nowt i tell ye.
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]50 Years A Supporter[/bold] wrote: I have to agree with most of the comments on here. I am disgusted by the policy of selling all the best players! Unless we start signing players NOW we are definitely in line for a relegation scrap. God knows why Koeman agreed to come here! You cannot sell 5-7 top players and replace them straightaway to gel in a new line-up. All Cortese's good work has been ruined and I hope the club is sold to someone who cares about it![/p][/quote]you are having a laugh as are all those saying we are in a "relegation" scrap... you obviously know naff all about football. Take a look at the other clubs , take a look at their teams/squads..... £100M will steady the ship and allow us to build stability and a team on Ron's terms and lets look at his track record so far .... he has identified two quality players ..... and secured their services. These are not players who would have signed for a team threatened with relegation, they are players who would have signed up for a team building phase and there will be more.[/p][/quote]The players were bought when we still had a very good team. Did Pele and Tadic realise that 5 or 7 players would be old in total. Is it now possible to attract quality foreign players here on lower wages with our current team?[/p][/quote]Win nowt with kids ,nowt i tell ye. SNUGGLES 78
  • Score: 3

11:53am Tue 29 Jul 14

lowemustgo says...

According to the Club Website, 'Tickets for the Liverpool away game are now on sale to players who played at least five away games last season'. Everyone else who wants a transfer has to wait until next Friday week.
According to the Club Website, 'Tickets for the Liverpool away game are now on sale to players who played at least five away games last season'. Everyone else who wants a transfer has to wait until next Friday week. lowemustgo
  • Score: 1

11:54am Tue 29 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

Spanish Santo wrote:
Fantastic statement by little hitler...well said. I think that you are spot on. The "fans" that are doubting the board need to realise that we are not looking for instant success and when the club was taken over it was clearly stated that we were investing in youth and facilities to become a self sufficient club that would not run into debt for a piece of silverware or champions league football. We all kbow what happens to a club if they try to punch above their weight to soon. We all need to keep the faith and see what the next five years brings...not five minutes of the first game of the season. With all the money we are recieving, I would like to see it reinvested into the stadium, facilities etc....not only overpaid mercenaries. The fact that we are producing our own kit is fantastic as it takes out the middle man and ensures that the money goes straight back to the club and not into a multinational that does not even recognise our brand. We need to stay strong as a club and keep the faith. If the board do make a statement it should be to outline our objectives for the next five years. Stay strong and COYR's
Spanish Santo, my compliments for your post! It is spot on.

I, too, have written lately on other threads about growing the club and the stadium, plus the advantage to Saints of producing their own kit.

I am also wondering exactly what, if any, club business Ralph Krueger is doing in North America. Another thing I am wondering about is SFC's purpose in deciding to gather substantial funds from player sales. I reckon there just might be something going on which could have absolutely nothing to do with asset stripping. Maybe Ralph Krueger is exploring ways of growing the club. I think the asset stripping argument does not stand up to scrutiny because the club would be more difficult to sell at a good price without its best assets, it's best players. I therefore think it is possible that something might be going on that has nothing to do with disposal of the club. What I do know is that the Liebherr family did not make their billions by making stupid business decisions. Besides, as compared to Katharina's vast wealth, SFC is probably a very low value item. There could be more to all this than meets the eye. No club in such a strong financial position sells so many of its players. If It is correct that SFC is not being sold, what else might be going on that would keep Ralph Krueger in North America for weeks?

I might well be barking up the wrong tree, but only time will tell what is actually happening. One thing is for sure. The longer the fans are kept in the dark about what is going on, the less fans SFC will have, thus gradually devaluing the club even further. A club without fans would be worth nothing.

What is happening Saints? The fans deserve to know.
[quote][p][bold]Spanish Santo[/bold] wrote: Fantastic statement by little hitler...well said. I think that you are spot on. The "fans" that are doubting the board need to realise that we are not looking for instant success and when the club was taken over it was clearly stated that we were investing in youth and facilities to become a self sufficient club that would not run into debt for a piece of silverware or champions league football. We all kbow what happens to a club if they try to punch above their weight to soon. We all need to keep the faith and see what the next five years brings...not five minutes of the first game of the season. With all the money we are recieving, I would like to see it reinvested into the stadium, facilities etc....not only overpaid mercenaries. The fact that we are producing our own kit is fantastic as it takes out the middle man and ensures that the money goes straight back to the club and not into a multinational that does not even recognise our brand. We need to stay strong as a club and keep the faith. If the board do make a statement it should be to outline our objectives for the next five years. Stay strong and COYR's[/p][/quote]Spanish Santo, my compliments for your post! It is spot on. I, too, have written lately on other threads about growing the club and the stadium, plus the advantage to Saints of producing their own kit. I am also wondering exactly what, if any, club business Ralph Krueger is doing in North America. Another thing I am wondering about is SFC's purpose in deciding to gather substantial funds from player sales. I reckon there just might be something going on which could have absolutely nothing to do with asset stripping. Maybe Ralph Krueger is exploring ways of growing the club. I think the asset stripping argument does not stand up to scrutiny because the club would be more difficult to sell at a good price without its best assets, it's best players. I therefore think it is possible that something might be going on that has nothing to do with disposal of the club. What I do know is that the Liebherr family did not make their billions by making stupid business decisions. Besides, as compared to Katharina's vast wealth, SFC is probably a very low value item. There could be more to all this than meets the eye. No club in such a strong financial position sells so many of its players. If It is correct that SFC is not being sold, what else might be going on that would keep Ralph Krueger in North America for weeks? I might well be barking up the wrong tree, but only time will tell what is actually happening. One thing is for sure. The longer the fans are kept in the dark about what is going on, the less fans SFC will have, thus gradually devaluing the club even further. A club without fans would be worth nothing. What is happening Saints? The fans deserve to know. justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 2

12:01pm Tue 29 Jul 14

deepheat says...

Any club sold a whole team before?
This team played in a starting XI last season.

Boruc - might want to go if we sign Forster?

Shaw - Gone
Lovren - Gone
Fonte - In negotiations
Chambers - Gone

Rodriguez - In negotiations
Morgan - In negotiations
Cork - In negotiations
Lallana - Gone

Osvaldo - In negotiations
Lambert - Gone
Any club sold a whole team before? This team played in a starting XI last season. Boruc - might want to go if we sign Forster? Shaw - Gone Lovren - Gone Fonte - In negotiations Chambers - Gone Rodriguez - In negotiations Morgan - In negotiations Cork - In negotiations Lallana - Gone Osvaldo - In negotiations Lambert - Gone deepheat
  • Score: 4

12:05pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Invidia says...

The only positive that I can see in all this mayhem is that Osprey is in his element and trying to answer every post on here but with so man posts is failing miserably, he is certainly enjoying this disaster.
The only positive that I can see in all this mayhem is that Osprey is in his element and trying to answer every post on here but with so man posts is failing miserably, he is certainly enjoying this disaster. Invidia
  • Score: -5

12:05pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Mush On The Beach says...

redandy10 wrote:
It's not just that we are having our team ripped apart, it's the fact that new signings are a bit thin on the ground. The new season is around the corner, the guys in Escape to victory had more time to gel. Les seems to be quite efficient at closing sales, but not so with purchases.

DISGRACEFUL!!!
In football they say to stand still is to go backwards.
If everyone is moving forward together, then success takes care of itself.

Les says ..... Even if you fall on your face, you're still moving forward.
Is Les taking us forward or backward and where to?

Old Saint Russell Osman appeared in defence to help the Escape to Victory, Now is the time for Heroes.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: It's not just that we are having our team ripped apart, it's the fact that new signings are a bit thin on the ground. The new season is around the corner, the guys in Escape to victory had more time to gel. Les seems to be quite efficient at closing sales, but not so with purchases. DISGRACEFUL!!![/p][/quote]In football they say to stand still is to go backwards. If everyone is moving forward together, then success takes care of itself. Les says ..... Even if you fall on your face, you're still moving forward. Is Les taking us forward or backward and where to? Old Saint Russell Osman appeared in defence to help the Escape to Victory, Now is the time for Heroes. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: -1

12:11pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Saint. says...

Enough now!

I have never hidden the fact that I believed we had the best chairman in NC, and we did! NC promised and delivered on those promises. He gave the club ambition to succeed and clearly believed there is no point being in this game if you do not aspire to be the best and to do this challenge the best on equal footing. He took the club from league one to eight in the prem, without really silly wages being paid!

Now we are here on the fresh hold of a hopefully propus new area to now see what?

Personally alarm bells rang when I read a quote from KL saying" she did not want NC to leave." But she obviously did not work too hard to keep him, and give him what he wanted to take this club forward, to succeed with the vision. That is all she really had to do to keep a man at the helm who was clearly delivering by a country mile! Yes we can all argue about what he actually wanted, doing, and way of doing, but not a single person on here knows! Only the board does and may be only NC and KL. But still so many opinions are formed from speculation and hear say!

We now have Les Reed who has never filled me with confidence anyway, simply lying to our faces! He has made big statements on the back of really not knowing the score, or being farmed out to appease the fans, as Ralph bombed. Quite simply a five year old would done better, as all he has done has said words the fans wanted to hear, even if they had no substance to them!

We now have Ralph Krueger who is suppose to be the big motivational speaker/communicator
! He comes out and says going forward they would find a way to communicate to the fan on a more frequent basis! If this current situation does warrant it, then I don't know what does! Yet we have not seen or herd a peep from him. RK also states that our players are for Southampton FC! He continues to say I've played hockey and got a scar on my chin, I can be tough when these club come knocking! See what you mean Ralph, real tough cookie!

Between these two they have taken Southampton FC and archived the following in a space of a short time.

They have lost the club kit supplier (don't believe all what they said, as it not that they would never lie to you)

They have taken a club sitting eight in the league with potential to archive more with additions (clearly now a concept wasted on them), and with many plaudits around the world and brought it down to date the laughing stock in football! We are the butt of many jokes, and oh how others are loving trying to put us in our so called place!

They say things like no need to sale and with in weeks of the World cup sale all three of OUR England players! Something to proud of!!

They go onto sell virtually the rest of the squad, with no signs given to the fans of an end for the rest of the squad. They single handily ripped the total team spirit out of the club by their actions! They are setting unprecedented player sales in numbers never seen before!! Yet they hide behind the fact of the sizeable undisclosed deal done for each!

The new phrase is for calm as our players continue to be sold, and they have the cheek to say well yes we want to keep our best players and look at Reed who signed a contract proves the point!! What Les has this proved? What does a contract mean, apart from a big sale fee?! The players YOU BOTH have sold all have long contracts, and playing for a club that players use to want to play for! Now LR and RK have created a open door for the players to talk to each other then pop their head in and say boss I want to leave, and you say no problem boy as we only need to hear "we don't want to be here" and we sell, as you know sunny we don't want long faces around here.

They have single handily changed the way the other clubs view us, and given them no need to look else where of further a field.

They continue show naivety dealing with players and agents! Instead they are being walked over oh so easily!!!

I can only hope Ronald Koeman knows what is round the corner, as he has been embarrassed now by having to say, ok three gone and now it has to stop here. For him to see further two go under his nose! We are indeed lucky to have RK and his tweet picture yesterday was priceless! How these two got him is a miracle, and gets me to thinking may be Koeman knows something we don't.

A message to the board, you have now gone too far, and need to start thinking of the bigger damage you are inflicting to the fans and the club! You are humiliating this great club of ours and creating us as simply the laughing stock of footballing world! You must start today before its too late to put the pride back in Southampton FC and for the fans and tell us your intentions, game plan, ambitions, with a statement and actions that speak louder than words! As a Saint fan we are hurting and need to know why, and what you intend to do?
Enough now! I have never hidden the fact that I believed we had the best chairman in NC, and we did! NC promised and delivered on those promises. He gave the club ambition to succeed and clearly believed there is no point being in this game if you do not aspire to be the best and to do this challenge the best on equal footing. He took the club from league one to eight in the prem, without really silly wages being paid! Now we are here on the fresh hold of a hopefully propus new area to now see what? Personally alarm bells rang when I read a quote from KL saying" she did not want NC to leave." But she obviously did not work too hard to keep him, and give him what he wanted to take this club forward, to succeed with the vision. That is all she really had to do to keep a man at the helm who was clearly delivering by a country mile! Yes we can all argue about what he actually wanted, doing, and way of doing, but not a single person on here knows! Only the board does and may be only NC and KL. But still so many opinions are formed from speculation and hear say! We now have Les Reed who has never filled me with confidence anyway, simply lying to our faces! He has made big statements on the back of really not knowing the score, or being farmed out to appease the fans, as Ralph bombed. Quite simply a five year old would done better, as all he has done has said words the fans wanted to hear, even if they had no substance to them! We now have Ralph Krueger who is suppose to be the big motivational speaker/communicator ! He comes out and says going forward they would find a way to communicate to the fan on a more frequent basis! If this current situation does warrant it, then I don't know what does! Yet we have not seen or herd a peep from him. RK also states that our players are for Southampton FC! He continues to say I've played hockey and got a scar on my chin, I can be tough when these club come knocking! See what you mean Ralph, real tough cookie! Between these two they have taken Southampton FC and archived the following in a space of a short time. They have lost the club kit supplier (don't believe all what they said, as it not that they would never lie to you) They have taken a club sitting eight in the league with potential to archive more with additions (clearly now a concept wasted on them), and with many plaudits around the world and brought it down to date the laughing stock in football! We are the butt of many jokes, and oh how others are loving trying to put us in our so called place! They say things like no need to sale and with in weeks of the World cup sale all three of OUR England players! Something to proud of!! They go onto sell virtually the rest of the squad, with no signs given to the fans of an end for the rest of the squad. They single handily ripped the total team spirit out of the club by their actions! They are setting unprecedented player sales in numbers never seen before!! Yet they hide behind the fact of the sizeable undisclosed deal done for each! The new phrase is for calm as our players continue to be sold, and they have the cheek to say well yes we want to keep our best players and look at Reed who signed a contract proves the point!! What Les has this proved? What does a contract mean, apart from a big sale fee?! The players YOU BOTH have sold all have long contracts, and playing for a club that players use to want to play for! Now LR and RK have created a open door for the players to talk to each other then pop their head in and say boss I want to leave, and you say no problem boy as we only need to hear "we don't want to be here" and we sell, as you know sunny we don't want long faces around here. They have single handily changed the way the other clubs view us, and given them no need to look else where of further a field. They continue show naivety dealing with players and agents! Instead they are being walked over oh so easily!!! I can only hope Ronald Koeman knows what is round the corner, as he has been embarrassed now by having to say, ok three gone and now it has to stop here. For him to see further two go under his nose! We are indeed lucky to have RK and his tweet picture yesterday was priceless! How these two got him is a miracle, and gets me to thinking may be Koeman knows something we don't. A message to the board, you have now gone too far, and need to start thinking of the bigger damage you are inflicting to the fans and the club! You are humiliating this great club of ours and creating us as simply the laughing stock of footballing world! You must start today before its too late to put the pride back in Southampton FC and for the fans and tell us your intentions, game plan, ambitions, with a statement and actions that speak louder than words! As a Saint fan we are hurting and need to know why, and what you intend to do? Saint.
  • Score: 6

12:13pm Tue 29 Jul 14

miltonarcher says...

deepheat wrote:
Any club sold a whole team before?
This team played in a starting XI last season.

Boruc - might want to go if we sign Forster?

Shaw - Gone
Lovren - Gone
Fonte - In negotiations
Chambers - Gone

Rodriguez - In negotiations
Morgan - In negotiations
Cork - In negotiations
Lallana - Gone

Osvaldo - In negotiations
Lambert - Gone
Rumours that a Prem club is tracking Clyne.
[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: Any club sold a whole team before? This team played in a starting XI last season. Boruc - might want to go if we sign Forster? Shaw - Gone Lovren - Gone Fonte - In negotiations Chambers - Gone Rodriguez - In negotiations Morgan - In negotiations Cork - In negotiations Lallana - Gone Osvaldo - In negotiations Lambert - Gone[/p][/quote]Rumours that a Prem club is tracking Clyne. miltonarcher
  • Score: -1

12:13pm Tue 29 Jul 14

espanuel says...

THEY ARE SAYING ON YAHOO THAT KOEMAN IS TO BECOME PLAYER/MANAGER.
THEY ARE SAYING ON YAHOO THAT KOEMAN IS TO BECOME PLAYER/MANAGER. espanuel
  • Score: 3

12:14pm Tue 29 Jul 14

A36saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Good morning on this bright new day. We sold anyone yet?
THE EUROPEAN DREAM IS WELL AND TRULY OVER - at least for now and the FIGHT from League one has been TORPEDOED by accidental Owner and Billionairess Katherina and Ex Ice Hockey - now Chairman Ralph Krueger.

GET ON THE TELEPHONE TO DE SPORTS SECTION - TICKET OFFICE - AND SKY TV PORTS SECTION and make your feelings known and Voices heard THIS MORNING.

PROTEST : 1 Hour before Bayer Leverkusen Game and at Brighton Away - be vocal and show that as Fans WE CARE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF THIS CLUB.

COYR+WS
I've done an open letter to the club and await a response:

Dear Fat, Ralph and Les

I think you're all kunts.

Regards

Seed
Wish I got to sign it. Lol.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Good morning on this bright new day. We sold anyone yet?[/p][/quote]THE EUROPEAN DREAM IS WELL AND TRULY OVER - at least for now and the FIGHT from League one has been TORPEDOED by accidental Owner and Billionairess Katherina and Ex Ice Hockey - now Chairman Ralph Krueger. GET ON THE TELEPHONE TO DE SPORTS SECTION - TICKET OFFICE - AND SKY TV PORTS SECTION and make your feelings known and Voices heard THIS MORNING. PROTEST : 1 Hour before Bayer Leverkusen Game and at Brighton Away - be vocal and show that as Fans WE CARE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF THIS CLUB. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]I've done an open letter to the club and await a response: Dear Fat, Ralph and Les I think you're all kunts. Regards Seed[/p][/quote]Wish I got to sign it. Lol. A36saint
  • Score: -3

12:22pm Tue 29 Jul 14

bbb001 says...

Little Hitler wrote:
Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so).

The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for.

What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly.

My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation).

In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice.

With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only.

So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it!

So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus.

I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game.

The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right.

Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us.

I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did.

I still have faith, just.
I agree whole heartedly with what you say but would like to add that after listening to a football financial expert on Talksport last night it became very clear to me that had KL not stepped in and curtailed the wreckless way Cortese was running the club we would be in a far worse situation than we now find ourselves in. After removing Cortese KL had to put in over £40 million pounds to bring the club back into the black and pay off outstanding transfer and infrastructure deficits.

The players leaving the club are choosing to go, the club are not forcing them out, therfore all the club can do is get the maximum transfers fees for them. You have to remember that the club cannot offer huge salaries to their players as they would fall foul of the Financial Fairplay Rules as we can only financially support the club with money generated by the club, this is why Ralph Krugar is working so hard with the commercial department to secure commercial deals worldwide to increase the clubs disposable income. This is not a lack of ambition from the club as all the players who have left have moved to (like it or not) bigger clubs, in the past players have left to join clubs of equal or lower status than the Saints.

The anger should be directed at Cortese and the players who have left. Katherina Liebheir should be given the support of the fans and not judged until the end of the season. All those calling for her to sell the club should look at Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff, Hearts and of course Pompey.

Be careful what you wish for.
[quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so). The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for. What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly. My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation). In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice. With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only. So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it! So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus. I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game. The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right. Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us. I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did. I still have faith, just.[/p][/quote]I agree whole heartedly with what you say but would like to add that after listening to a football financial expert on Talksport last night it became very clear to me that had KL not stepped in and curtailed the wreckless way Cortese was running the club we would be in a far worse situation than we now find ourselves in. After removing Cortese KL had to put in over £40 million pounds to bring the club back into the black and pay off outstanding transfer and infrastructure deficits. The players leaving the club are choosing to go, the club are not forcing them out, therfore all the club can do is get the maximum transfers fees for them. You have to remember that the club cannot offer huge salaries to their players as they would fall foul of the Financial Fairplay Rules as we can only financially support the club with money generated by the club, this is why Ralph Krugar is working so hard with the commercial department to secure commercial deals worldwide to increase the clubs disposable income. This is not a lack of ambition from the club as all the players who have left have moved to (like it or not) bigger clubs, in the past players have left to join clubs of equal or lower status than the Saints. The anger should be directed at Cortese and the players who have left. Katherina Liebheir should be given the support of the fans and not judged until the end of the season. All those calling for her to sell the club should look at Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff, Hearts and of course Pompey. Be careful what you wish for. bbb001
  • Score: 11

12:30pm Tue 29 Jul 14

TGodSFC says...

miltonarcher wrote:
deepheat wrote:
Any club sold a whole team before?
This team played in a starting XI last season.

Boruc - might want to go if we sign Forster?

Shaw - Gone
Lovren - Gone
Fonte - In negotiations
Chambers - Gone

Rodriguez - In negotiations
Morgan - In negotiations
Cork - In negotiations
Lallana - Gone

Osvaldo - In negotiations
Lambert - Gone
Rumours that a Prem club is tracking Clyne.
money on it that its liverhampton
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: Any club sold a whole team before? This team played in a starting XI last season. Boruc - might want to go if we sign Forster? Shaw - Gone Lovren - Gone Fonte - In negotiations Chambers - Gone Rodriguez - In negotiations Morgan - In negotiations Cork - In negotiations Lallana - Gone Osvaldo - In negotiations Lambert - Gone[/p][/quote]Rumours that a Prem club is tracking Clyne.[/p][/quote]money on it that its liverhampton TGodSFC
  • Score: -2

12:32pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Saint Clements says...

arthur boutfaith wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so).

The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for.

What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly.

My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation).

In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice.

With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only.

So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it!

So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus.

I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game.

The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right.

Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us.

I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did.

I still have faith, just.
Brilliantly written.
You're too good to get a job for this rag.
Agreed. While I can't share your optimism, I do think your words are intelligent and considered, rather than the sensationalist, reactive, plagiaristic tripe served up by the official writers.

In all honesty I read this site for views like these, and nearly always skip through the actual article.
[quote][p][bold]arthur boutfaith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: Having kept fairly quiet on here over the last few months, I thought I’d air my thoughts on the current plight of our club now that we’ve pretty much hit rock bottom (well, at least I hope so). The key thing to bear in mind is that we’re not really in a position to judge any individual (or group of individuals) within the club right now, the time for that will be the end of this coming season when the effectiveness of the their decision making process can be accurately measured. We finished 8th last season and the board have stated that they want to match or better that achievement. That is what I shall hold them to account for. What we can do now, however, is start to dissect the chain of events that have led us to where we are now and to do this I think we need to go back to the start of last season. We were preparing for our 2nd term in the Premier League and made some notable high profile signings (Lovren, Wanayama, Osvaldo) with an ambitious young manager at the helm. This followed heavy investment the year before (Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Yoshida etc.) and the message coming out of the camp then was that we were a club aiming as high as the Champions League. The expectations of our squad, manager and the fans were set accordingly. My concern from this time was that one individual appeared to be running the club on their own, making all the key decisions without seeking a majority vote from a board of directors. They were also spelling out a highly ambitious vision which was, probably, never going to be achievable. In fact, Nicola Cortese said as much in a recent interview where he stated that it was better to aim very high and fall short than to aim low and risk something worse (e.g. relegation). In short, the club did not have a conventional governance system and any business that operates like this faces the threat of capitulation if a key figure is lost. When Cortese left the club in January I was disappointed (you had to admire what he had achieved) but not at all surprised as the owner clearly recognised this as poor business practice. With the head man gone this unorthodox approach meant that we were liable to collapse like a house of cards. Cortese WAS the club to many people and when he left the manager and staff appeared to instantly lose their allegiance to Southampton as their faith was with him and him only. So was the removal of Cortese the right decision? Probably, but then this is football not normal business and Cortese’s outside-the-box approach was both exciting and delivered short-term success. I’d liked to have see what he could have done in another 5 years but we’ll never know the answer to that now (again, maybe a good thing as he could have ruined us financially). The thing that bugs me though is that Cortese was the wish of Markus Liebherr and I find it sad that his very daughter wasn’t prepared to let him get on with the job. His performance almost demanded it! So where are we left now? The conventional new board made it very clear only 2 months ago that they were in full control and that any player sales would be on their terms. I for one actually think this is still the case and can’t really fault the amounts collected for any of our departed players. I have very little positives to say about most the departed players or manager but would add that Lambert leaving was a disaster for us as he was such an important and popular figure within the club (the soul if you like and embodiment of our rise from almost nothing). This no doubt poured fuel on the fire that was our player exodus. I’ve seen many fans claiming that the owner is asset stripping but I don’t currently believe that (I've had my fears though). It is my opinion that the club KNOW that they have the finest academy in the country (if not the world) and that we have a wealth of talent coming through all the time. They clearly BELIEVE that we can sell our best players for high sums and replace them either with a new player from the academy (e.g. Targett for Shaw) or find like-for-like replacements from the continent at a fraction of the cost (e.g. Tadic for Lallana). I think Koeman is ideal in this sense due to his football upbringing and in-depth knowledge of the European game. The most important point (one which hardly anyone has mentioned) is that we must surely now be THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE for any talented youngster in the country. Not only do we have the best facilities, we give youth a chance in the Premier League and, in turn, provide them with a route to a top 4 club within a year of making their debut. You may just find that this is now our core strategy and that we may end up with even more talented youngsters than we currently do now. I can live with players leaving (despite how much I loathe the lack of loyalty) if it means that we can just turn the conveyor belt and even greater talent replaces it. What we do with the money is the big question and I sincerely hope it gets invested back into the club’s infrastructure so we can grow revenue, increase our fan base and actually become a big club in our own right. Finally, we definitely need to sign a few experienced players and I’m quite sure that will happen in the next few weeks. I cannot possible see Koeman leaving as he must surely have been told the deal when he joined us. I sincerely hope I’m right with the above but agree that there is currently some doubt and that it wouldn’t hurt for the club to engage with us and be entirely honest about what’s going on and how the money collected will be reinvested. What has happened this summer is surely unprecedented and I question whether any club has ever lost so many players in a summer break. Perhaps this is the true legacy left by Cortese’s approach to running the club and the reason why the owner intervenient the way she did. I still have faith, just.[/p][/quote]Brilliantly written. You're too good to get a job for this rag.[/p][/quote]Agreed. While I can't share your optimism, I do think your words are intelligent and considered, rather than the sensationalist, reactive, plagiaristic tripe served up by the official writers. In all honesty I read this site for views like these, and nearly always skip through the actual article. Saint Clements
  • Score: 3

12:34pm Tue 29 Jul 14

saintbobby says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Good morning on this bright new day. We sold anyone yet?
THE EUROPEAN DREAM IS WELL AND TRULY OVER - at least for now and the FIGHT from League one has been TORPEDOED by accidental Owner and Billionairess Katherina and Ex Ice Hockey - now Chairman Ralph Krueger.

GET ON THE TELEPHONE TO DE SPORTS SECTION - TICKET OFFICE - AND SKY TV PORTS SECTION and make your feelings known and Voices heard THIS MORNING.

PROTEST : 1 Hour before Bayer Leverkusen Game and at Brighton Away - be vocal and show that as Fans WE CARE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF THIS CLUB.

COYR+WS
I've done an open letter to the club and await a response:

Dear Fat, Ralph and Les

I think you're all kunts.

Regards

Seed
Very helpful, I suppose.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Good morning on this bright new day. We sold anyone yet?[/p][/quote]THE EUROPEAN DREAM IS WELL AND TRULY OVER - at least for now and the FIGHT from League one has been TORPEDOED by accidental Owner and Billionairess Katherina and Ex Ice Hockey - now Chairman Ralph Krueger. GET ON THE TELEPHONE TO DE SPORTS SECTION - TICKET OFFICE - AND SKY TV PORTS SECTION and make your feelings known and Voices heard THIS MORNING. PROTEST : 1 Hour before Bayer Leverkusen Game and at Brighton Away - be vocal and show that as Fans WE CARE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF THIS CLUB. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]I've done an open letter to the club and await a response: Dear Fat, Ralph and Les I think you're all kunts. Regards Seed[/p][/quote]Very helpful, I suppose. saintbobby
  • Score: -1

12:34pm Tue 29 Jul 14

GP19Saint says...

Why is everyone so obsessed with going out and buying replacement players? Let's not follow up a fire sale with panic buying. I don't think any of these players should have been sold but we still have a core of committed players who worked really hard for Saints last season. They may not have been everyone's first choice but they are on the whole premier league quality and a whole load of new players is not going to help.

We have replaced Lambert with what looks like a quality signing in Pelle and Gallagher is a good prospect.

In midfield, we replaced Lallana with Tadic plus we still have Ward-Prowse, Reed, Davis and Cork. If we lose Schneiderlin, Wanyama can take his place - sure, Schneiderlin is difficult to replace but Wanyama had a good start to last season before his injury.

In defence, Targett will take over from Shaw and may possibly become an even better player. Clyne has proved he is as good if not better than Chambers. No guarantee we can find a better keeper than Boruc, even if he makes a few mistakes from time to time. We definitely need a quality centre half to replace Lovren but Yoshida is not so bad.

Many of the players who are left have played and fought for Saints during one of the most successful periods in our history so let's give them - together with a couple of quality signings and some academy players - a chance. We may not get to 8th place again but let's not make things worse by overpaying for new players and upsetting the mentality of the squad even further. I agree strength in depth will become an issue but we have until the end of August to make sure we make the right signings based on what Koeman sees during pre-season and the first few fixtures.

Very disappointed by what's going on and not clear why Reed and Krueger cannot give more information and communication to the fans. They could try to make the case for what's happening and instead everyone's speculating. The Cortese regime looks more open.
Why is everyone so obsessed with going out and buying replacement players? Let's not follow up a fire sale with panic buying. I don't think any of these players should have been sold but we still have a core of committed players who worked really hard for Saints last season. They may not have been everyone's first choice but they are on the whole premier league quality and a whole load of new players is not going to help. We have replaced Lambert with what looks like a quality signing in Pelle and Gallagher is a good prospect. In midfield, we replaced Lallana with Tadic plus we still have Ward-Prowse, Reed, Davis and Cork. If we lose Schneiderlin, Wanyama can take his place - sure, Schneiderlin is difficult to replace but Wanyama had a good start to last season before his injury. In defence, Targett will take over from Shaw and may possibly become an even better player. Clyne has proved he is as good if not better than Chambers. No guarantee we can find a better keeper than Boruc, even if he makes a few mistakes from time to time. We definitely need a quality centre half to replace Lovren but Yoshida is not so bad. Many of the players who are left have played and fought for Saints during one of the most successful periods in our history so let's give them - together with a couple of quality signings and some academy players - a chance. We may not get to 8th place again but let's not make things worse by overpaying for new players and upsetting the mentality of the squad even further. I agree strength in depth will become an issue but we have until the end of August to make sure we make the right signings based on what Koeman sees during pre-season and the first few fixtures. Very disappointed by what's going on and not clear why Reed and Krueger cannot give more information and communication to the fans. They could try to make the case for what's happening and instead everyone's speculating. The Cortese regime looks more open. GP19Saint
  • Score: -1

12:37pm Tue 29 Jul 14

saintrobbiie says...

Once again the silence is deafening, if this is what they call getting closer to the fans and community they can shove it, complete and utter incompetence from a PR perspective.

We need reassurances and confirmation from the club NOW regarding the short, medium and long term strategy, we all have jobs and this "selling" situation is dominating the thoughts of mine and many other Saints fans.

In short not much is getting done in Southampton at the moment so give us an honest statement to try and back up what you have come out with previously or put us out of our misery.

I was told LR was "wrong" sometime ago, so far the club have blatantly lied to us. We were told before the world cup no players would be sold without the say so of the new manager. In RK's first news conference he admitted he had no say in RL, AL and LS going, if I'm wrong LR then tell me I'm wrong.
Once again the silence is deafening, if this is what they call getting closer to the fans and community they can shove it, complete and utter incompetence from a PR perspective. We need reassurances and confirmation from the club NOW regarding the short, medium and long term strategy, we all have jobs and this "selling" situation is dominating the thoughts of mine and many other Saints fans. In short not much is getting done in Southampton at the moment so give us an honest statement to try and back up what you have come out with previously or put us out of our misery. I was told LR was "wrong" sometime ago, so far the club have blatantly lied to us. We were told before the world cup no players would be sold without the say so of the new manager. In RK's first news conference he admitted he had no say in RL, AL and LS going, if I'm wrong LR then tell me I'm wrong. saintrobbiie
  • Score: 3

12:38pm Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Invidia wrote:
The only positive that I can see in all this mayhem is that Osprey is in his element and trying to answer every post on here but with so man posts is failing miserably, he is certainly enjoying this disaster.
Have to take the dog out occasionally so not as quicks as I would have liked, but to say I am enjoying it, is on a par with saying that the neggies are unhappy to be trolling out their type of tripe.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: The only positive that I can see in all this mayhem is that Osprey is in his element and trying to answer every post on here but with so man posts is failing miserably, he is certainly enjoying this disaster.[/p][/quote]Have to take the dog out occasionally so not as quicks as I would have liked, but to say I am enjoying it, is on a par with saying that the neggies are unhappy to be trolling out their type of tripe. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

12:42pm Tue 29 Jul 14

saintmicky says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Saw an advert on the Tube this morning for the Imperial War Museum commemorating the centenary of WW1. Since then there's a phrase that keeps going through my mind.

It'll all be over by Christmas.
Just thinking about WW1 makes you realize what a trivial load of old rubbish this all is!
Whats the use of worrying? It never was worthwhile......
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Saw an advert on the Tube this morning for the Imperial War Museum commemorating the centenary of WW1. Since then there's a phrase that keeps going through my mind. It'll all be over by Christmas.[/p][/quote]Just thinking about WW1 makes you realize what a trivial load of old rubbish this all is! Whats the use of worrying? It never was worthwhile...... saintmicky
  • Score: 3

12:45pm Tue 29 Jul 14

george chivers says...

GP19Saint wrote:
Why is everyone so obsessed with going out and buying replacement players? Let's not follow up a fire sale with panic buying. I don't think any of these players should have been sold but we still have a core of committed players who worked really hard for Saints last season. They may not have been everyone's first choice but they are on the whole premier league quality and a whole load of new players is not going to help.

We have replaced Lambert with what looks like a quality signing in Pelle and Gallagher is a good prospect.

In midfield, we replaced Lallana with Tadic plus we still have Ward-Prowse, Reed, Davis and Cork. If we lose Schneiderlin, Wanyama can take his place - sure, Schneiderlin is difficult to replace but Wanyama had a good start to last season before his injury.

In defence, Targett will take over from Shaw and may possibly become an even better player. Clyne has proved he is as good if not better than Chambers. No guarantee we can find a better keeper than Boruc, even if he makes a few mistakes from time to time. We definitely need a quality centre half to replace Lovren but Yoshida is not so bad.

Many of the players who are left have played and fought for Saints during one of the most successful periods in our history so let's give them - together with a couple of quality signings and some academy players - a chance. We may not get to 8th place again but let's not make things worse by overpaying for new players and upsetting the mentality of the squad even further. I agree strength in depth will become an issue but we have until the end of August to make sure we make the right signings based on what Koeman sees during pre-season and the first few fixtures.

Very disappointed by what's going on and not clear why Reed and Krueger cannot give more information and communication to the fans. They could try to make the case for what's happening and instead everyone's speculating. The Cortese regime looks more open.
And what happens when we get injuries, yellow cards totted up, red cards etc?
[quote][p][bold]GP19Saint[/bold] wrote: Why is everyone so obsessed with going out and buying replacement players? Let's not follow up a fire sale with panic buying. I don't think any of these players should have been sold but we still have a core of committed players who worked really hard for Saints last season. They may not have been everyone's first choice but they are on the whole premier league quality and a whole load of new players is not going to help. We have replaced Lambert with what looks like a quality signing in Pelle and Gallagher is a good prospect. In midfield, we replaced Lallana with Tadic plus we still have Ward-Prowse, Reed, Davis and Cork. If we lose Schneiderlin, Wanyama can take his place - sure, Schneiderlin is difficult to replace but Wanyama had a good start to last season before his injury. In defence, Targett will take over from Shaw and may possibly become an even better player. Clyne has proved he is as good if not better than Chambers. No guarantee we can find a better keeper than Boruc, even if he makes a few mistakes from time to time. We definitely need a quality centre half to replace Lovren but Yoshida is not so bad. Many of the players who are left have played and fought for Saints during one of the most successful periods in our history so let's give them - together with a couple of quality signings and some academy players - a chance. We may not get to 8th place again but let's not make things worse by overpaying for new players and upsetting the mentality of the squad even further. I agree strength in depth will become an issue but we have until the end of August to make sure we make the right signings based on what Koeman sees during pre-season and the first few fixtures. Very disappointed by what's going on and not clear why Reed and Krueger cannot give more information and communication to the fans. They could try to make the case for what's happening and instead everyone's speculating. The Cortese regime looks more open.[/p][/quote]And what happens when we get injuries, yellow cards totted up, red cards etc? george chivers
  • Score: 0

12:48pm Tue 29 Jul 14

bbb001 says...

Saint. wrote:
Enough now!

I have never hidden the fact that I believed we had the best chairman in NC, and we did! NC promised and delivered on those promises. He gave the club ambition to succeed and clearly believed there is no point being in this game if you do not aspire to be the best and to do this challenge the best on equal footing. He took the club from league one to eight in the prem, without really silly wages being paid!

Now we are here on the fresh hold of a hopefully propus new area to now see what?

Personally alarm bells rang when I read a quote from KL saying" she did not want NC to leave." But she obviously did not work too hard to keep him, and give him what he wanted to take this club forward, to succeed with the vision. That is all she really had to do to keep a man at the helm who was clearly delivering by a country mile! Yes we can all argue about what he actually wanted, doing, and way of doing, but not a single person on here knows! Only the board does and may be only NC and KL. But still so many opinions are formed from speculation and hear say!

We now have Les Reed who has never filled me with confidence anyway, simply lying to our faces! He has made big statements on the back of really not knowing the score, or being farmed out to appease the fans, as Ralph bombed. Quite simply a five year old would done better, as all he has done has said words the fans wanted to hear, even if they had no substance to them!

We now have Ralph Krueger who is suppose to be the big motivational speaker/communicator

! He comes out and says going forward they would find a way to communicate to the fan on a more frequent basis! If this current situation does warrant it, then I don't know what does! Yet we have not seen or herd a peep from him. RK also states that our players are for Southampton FC! He continues to say I've played hockey and got a scar on my chin, I can be tough when these club come knocking! See what you mean Ralph, real tough cookie!

Between these two they have taken Southampton FC and archived the following in a space of a short time.

They have lost the club kit supplier (don't believe all what they said, as it not that they would never lie to you)

They have taken a club sitting eight in the league with potential to archive more with additions (clearly now a concept wasted on them), and with many plaudits around the world and brought it down to date the laughing stock in football! We are the butt of many jokes, and oh how others are loving trying to put us in our so called place!

They say things like no need to sale and with in weeks of the World cup sale all three of OUR England players! Something to proud of!!

They go onto sell virtually the rest of the squad, with no signs given to the fans of an end for the rest of the squad. They single handily ripped the total team spirit out of the club by their actions! They are setting unprecedented player sales in numbers never seen before!! Yet they hide behind the fact of the sizeable undisclosed deal done for each!

The new phrase is for calm as our players continue to be sold, and they have the cheek to say well yes we want to keep our best players and look at Reed who signed a contract proves the point!! What Les has this proved? What does a contract mean, apart from a big sale fee?! The players YOU BOTH have sold all have long contracts, and playing for a club that players use to want to play for! Now LR and RK have created a open door for the players to talk to each other then pop their head in and say boss I want to leave, and you say no problem boy as we only need to hear "we don't want to be here" and we sell, as you know sunny we don't want long faces around here.

They have single handily changed the way the other clubs view us, and given them no need to look else where of further a field.

They continue show naivety dealing with players and agents! Instead they are being walked over oh so easily!!!

I can only hope Ronald Koeman knows what is round the corner, as he has been embarrassed now by having to say, ok three gone and now it has to stop here. For him to see further two go under his nose! We are indeed lucky to have RK and his tweet picture yesterday was priceless! How these two got him is a miracle, and gets me to thinking may be Koeman knows something we don't.

A message to the board, you have now gone too far, and need to start thinking of the bigger damage you are inflicting to the fans and the club! You are humiliating this great club of ours and creating us as simply the laughing stock of footballing world! You must start today before its too late to put the pride back in Southampton FC and for the fans and tell us your intentions, game plan, ambitions, with a statement and actions that speak louder than words! As a Saint fan we are hurting and need to know why, and what you intend to do?
Its no secret why Cortese left, he refused to be accountable to KL, the woman who owns the club. He thought Sfc was his and didnot want to answer to KL. Soon it will become clear that her intervention has saved the club not ruined it as you seem to think. Why dont you read the articles concerning the Saints debts during the Cortese tenure.
[quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: Enough now! I have never hidden the fact that I believed we had the best chairman in NC, and we did! NC promised and delivered on those promises. He gave the club ambition to succeed and clearly believed there is no point being in this game if you do not aspire to be the best and to do this challenge the best on equal footing. He took the club from league one to eight in the prem, without really silly wages being paid! Now we are here on the fresh hold of a hopefully propus new area to now see what? Personally alarm bells rang when I read a quote from KL saying" she did not want NC to leave." But she obviously did not work too hard to keep him, and give him what he wanted to take this club forward, to succeed with the vision. That is all she really had to do to keep a man at the helm who was clearly delivering by a country mile! Yes we can all argue about what he actually wanted, doing, and way of doing, but not a single person on here knows! Only the board does and may be only NC and KL. But still so many opinions are formed from speculation and hear say! We now have Les Reed who has never filled me with confidence anyway, simply lying to our faces! He has made big statements on the back of really not knowing the score, or being farmed out to appease the fans, as Ralph bombed. Quite simply a five year old would done better, as all he has done has said words the fans wanted to hear, even if they had no substance to them! We now have Ralph Krueger who is suppose to be the big motivational speaker/communicator ! He comes out and says going forward they would find a way to communicate to the fan on a more frequent basis! If this current situation does warrant it, then I don't know what does! Yet we have not seen or herd a peep from him. RK also states that our players are for Southampton FC! He continues to say I've played hockey and got a scar on my chin, I can be tough when these club come knocking! See what you mean Ralph, real tough cookie! Between these two they have taken Southampton FC and archived the following in a space of a short time. They have lost the club kit supplier (don't believe all what they said, as it not that they would never lie to you) They have taken a club sitting eight in the league with potential to archive more with additions (clearly now a concept wasted on them), and with many plaudits around the world and brought it down to date the laughing stock in football! We are the butt of many jokes, and oh how others are loving trying to put us in our so called place! They say things like no need to sale and with in weeks of the World cup sale all three of OUR England players! Something to proud of!! They go onto sell virtually the rest of the squad, with no signs given to the fans of an end for the rest of the squad. They single handily ripped the total team spirit out of the club by their actions! They are setting unprecedented player sales in numbers never seen before!! Yet they hide behind the fact of the sizeable undisclosed deal done for each! The new phrase is for calm as our players continue to be sold, and they have the cheek to say well yes we want to keep our best players and look at Reed who signed a contract proves the point!! What Les has this proved? What does a contract mean, apart from a big sale fee?! The players YOU BOTH have sold all have long contracts, and playing for a club that players use to want to play for! Now LR and RK have created a open door for the players to talk to each other then pop their head in and say boss I want to leave, and you say no problem boy as we only need to hear "we don't want to be here" and we sell, as you know sunny we don't want long faces around here. They have single handily changed the way the other clubs view us, and given them no need to look else where of further a field. They continue show naivety dealing with players and agents! Instead they are being walked over oh so easily!!! I can only hope Ronald Koeman knows what is round the corner, as he has been embarrassed now by having to say, ok three gone and now it has to stop here. For him to see further two go under his nose! We are indeed lucky to have RK and his tweet picture yesterday was priceless! How these two got him is a miracle, and gets me to thinking may be Koeman knows something we don't. A message to the board, you have now gone too far, and need to start thinking of the bigger damage you are inflicting to the fans and the club! You are humiliating this great club of ours and creating us as simply the laughing stock of footballing world! You must start today before its too late to put the pride back in Southampton FC and for the fans and tell us your intentions, game plan, ambitions, with a statement and actions that speak louder than words! As a Saint fan we are hurting and need to know why, and what you intend to do?[/p][/quote]Its no secret why Cortese left, he refused to be accountable to KL, the woman who owns the club. He thought Sfc was his and didnot want to answer to KL. Soon it will become clear that her intervention has saved the club not ruined it as you seem to think. Why dont you read the articles concerning the Saints debts during the Cortese tenure. bbb001
  • Score: 0

12:49pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

deepheat wrote:
Any club sold a whole team before?
This team played in a starting XI last season.

Boruc - might want to go if we sign Forster?

Shaw - Gone
Lovren - Gone
Fonte - In negotiations
Chambers - Gone

Rodriguez - In negotiations
Morgan - In negotiations
Cork - In negotiations
Lallana - Gone

Osvaldo - In negotiations
Lambert - Gone
Another way of looking at your team could be - With the additions of Pele and Tadic plus a very good keeper; where might we have finished.

My answer would be above Everton, Newcastle and Spurs
[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: Any club sold a whole team before? This team played in a starting XI last season. Boruc - might want to go if we sign Forster? Shaw - Gone Lovren - Gone Fonte - In negotiations Chambers - Gone Rodriguez - In negotiations Morgan - In negotiations Cork - In negotiations Lallana - Gone Osvaldo - In negotiations Lambert - Gone[/p][/quote]Another way of looking at your team could be - With the additions of Pele and Tadic plus a very good keeper; where might we have finished. My answer would be above Everton, Newcastle and Spurs Saints n Winners
  • Score: 2

12:50pm Tue 29 Jul 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

St.Yorkie wrote:
Heart of the team ripped out?
Seems to me as someone already pointed out Lambert was an integral part of the "Southampton Way" and with him the loyalty and team ethic left!
Can't blame players or Katrina cashing in for £millions. Makes the £13m for the club 5-years ago look a very sound investment. Look at the returns from last year alone. What was it? £63-million from SKY and another £70-million+ for players this summer alone!
The trouble is the next level requires serious money - and trying not to be too sexist - it's a mans game! She inherited her fathers legacy and far from letting Cortese run amok reigned him in!
We move on.
You haven't tried very hard, have you? Do you think Karren Brady would agree with you? I wish we had her as a chief exec.
[quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: Heart of the team ripped out? Seems to me as someone already pointed out Lambert was an integral part of the "Southampton Way" and with him the loyalty and team ethic left! Can't blame players or Katrina cashing in for £millions. Makes the £13m for the club 5-years ago look a very sound investment. Look at the returns from last year alone. What was it? £63-million from SKY and another £70-million+ for players this summer alone! The trouble is the next level requires serious money - and trying not to be too sexist - it's a mans game! She inherited her fathers legacy and far from letting Cortese run amok reigned him in! We move on.[/p][/quote]You haven't tried very hard, have you? Do you think Karren Brady would agree with you? I wish we had her as a chief exec. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 2

12:51pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Invidia says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Invidia wrote:
The only positive that I can see in all this mayhem is that Osprey is in his element and trying to answer every post on here but with so man posts is failing miserably, he is certainly enjoying this disaster.
Have to take the dog out occasionally so not as quicks as I would have liked, but to say I am enjoying it, is on a par with saying that the neggies are unhappy to be trolling out their type of tripe.
Why in your words "the neggie's trolling out tripe", are you suggesting that their opinions mean nothing and your opinion is the only one that is worth considering, not that you appear to have any opinions of our own just trying to be funny with other peoples, you even copied my post from yesterday when it would have been far easier to have used the quote button. I am beginning to believe that an Osprey is another name for a Shitehawk.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: The only positive that I can see in all this mayhem is that Osprey is in his element and trying to answer every post on here but with so man posts is failing miserably, he is certainly enjoying this disaster.[/p][/quote]Have to take the dog out occasionally so not as quicks as I would have liked, but to say I am enjoying it, is on a par with saying that the neggies are unhappy to be trolling out their type of tripe.[/p][/quote]Why in your words "the neggie's trolling out tripe", are you suggesting that their opinions mean nothing and your opinion is the only one that is worth considering, not that you appear to have any opinions of our own just trying to be funny with other peoples, you even copied my post from yesterday when it would have been far easier to have used the quote button. I am beginning to believe that an Osprey is another name for a Shitehawk. Invidia
  • Score: -1

1:03pm Tue 29 Jul 14

SNUGGLES 78 says...

saintbobby wrote:
Simon, this site has never been as busy as it has been over the last 48 hours and it takes absolutely ages to read everything.

One thing though, Poch is after Spider and Jay. Now the Board has put a price on Spider of £27 million (as reported). Based on other sales I assume Jay has to be priced about the same. So that means The Spuds will need to cough up something like £55-60 million to sign them both.

Well, that IS a lot of money and if they go we shall be very well off. On the other hand I just do not see Spuds paying that sort of money. The Spider price is reported to be as set by the Board and so must be true. Our Board NEVER lies, does it?

I have quoted before "where will it all end"? I, for one, just do not know.
14 million according to harry hotspur site with add ons ,both players .
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: Simon, this site has never been as busy as it has been over the last 48 hours and it takes absolutely ages to read everything. One thing though, Poch is after Spider and Jay. Now the Board has put a price on Spider of £27 million (as reported). Based on other sales I assume Jay has to be priced about the same. So that means The Spuds will need to cough up something like £55-60 million to sign them both. Well, that IS a lot of money and if they go we shall be very well off. On the other hand I just do not see Spuds paying that sort of money. The Spider price is reported to be as set by the Board and so must be true. Our Board NEVER lies, does it? I have quoted before "where will it all end"? I, for one, just do not know.[/p][/quote]14 million according to harry hotspur site with add ons ,both players . SNUGGLES 78
  • Score: -1

1:05pm Tue 29 Jul 14

miltonarcher says...

This now has a hollow ring:-

No topic was banned from discussion as Krueger answered all the burning questions at Saints.

Here we bring the uncensored and unabridged transcript direct to you:

Q: It’s been a tough few days, what are your emotions and reflections at the moment?

A: I have to say we have moved forward very quickly with our management team after the decision from Pochettino. We have been clear in our communication that we are already working towards a solution so I am actually full of adrenaline right now. It’s a challenge we are taking head on and we wake up today actually excited about the future.

Q: Can you outline what has happened to lead to Mauricio leaving and what attempts you made to keep him here?

A: I have to underline that we did everything possible for a long period of time to keep Pochettino here. Clearly a contract was offered. At the same time we didn’t colour code anything, we were very honest in the process and he made his decision and we respect that and move on.

The importance of finding a new manager that is completely in line with our vision, our plan, where we want to go and how we want to get there is now our focus.

We feel we did what we could and that the process from our side was extremely transparent.

Q: Do you feel a bit let down by Mauricio?

A: I’m not going to speak for the others on the board but I have been in sports much too long to take anything personally. The only thing that interests us is the further development of the Saints, continuing to drive our vision to take this club into European football, continuing to grow this club. There is not time to feel sorry or feel disappointed or feel anything but excitement about where the club is right now – the strongest position we have ever been in as a club in its history. The work that still needs to be done to build on that is what’s driving us right now.

Q: Les Reed said he was comfortable and happy to wait until the summer to discuss a new contract with Mauricio and he left very soon after the end of the season. Was that tactic a mistake in hindsight?

A: You make your decisions all the time on the information that you have at that point in time. The focus on bringing the product on the field to the fan base, to our followers, was the dominant fact until the end of the Man United game. When we came in as a board we didn’t want to disrupt anything going on around the most important thing in the club, and that’s the football.

We stayed away from the football as much as we needed to and when it was asked we did for the quality of the product on the field. I believe we retained the quality of the product.

We found it extremely important to get the eighth place, we found it extremely important to play right until the finish line, which the club did, and then we began the next process. No, we don’t feel we made any mistakes because that was our focus and so we made all the other decisions connected to that. What was the main focus? football. But on May 12 that focus changed.

We will be eighth place all summer long but now we need to defend that, we need to build on it, so I don’t feel from a timing perspective if we remixed the cards we would do it any different.

Q: When did it become inevitable that Mauricio was going to leave?

A: It’s been a process and I have to say that pretty quickly it was clear and then the negotiations and the legalities of the whole situation consumed us and did drag on the final product.

It was pretty complex, of course, it wasn’t a simple cut.

I realise that now we are communicating and we were not able to in the process. At times we will not be able to communicate in the interests of the club and that’s what happened here but we are ready and well positioned for what is coming now.

Q: If you realised Mauricio was leaving, presumably you started the search for a new manager a while ago?

A: I think all the fans know that I am in a position of learning and growth. I didn’t come in here pretending that I would understand what the chairman role would entail. I have found every day fascinating and exciting and one of the things I have learnt in the last few days is how strong our recruitment and scouting department is. It’s amazing.

The same group, right now 20 people – seven domestic, seven all over Europe and another six plus or minus in the office – in charge of recruitment, analysis and scouting.

What I wasn’t aware of was that they are not actually only doing this for players and building stats and profiles and video footage and data on players, they are doing the same on managers as part of their job.

Without emotion they are continually analysing potential candidates to work here in Southampton.

The interesting thing about that is that they are the same exact group that found Mauricio Pochettino, and at that time I have done some research and realise some people said ‘who? What? Where did he come from?’.

It’s the recruitment process here that is running non-stop that brought him here. This same group has been able to pull out a prospective long list and Les Reed has been inundated by high calibre requests from managers.

He has been bombarded and he needs to process it but at the same time it confirms how Southampton is positioned not only in England but in European football. We are in a really good place, people want to be here, people want to work here.

Players want to play here and we’ve got agents contacting him and not only for managers but for players.

It’s become a destination. People see you can grow and develop here.

So that’s a long answer, but you need to know the same people that found Pochettino have given us information and we are scanning that list right now.

We realise we need to be quick but not hasty...

Q: What is the time frame?

A: There is no date, but we would like to have a long list together as quickly as is healthily possible. The reason is that we would like the new manager to be involved in our player decisions.

We have held off on every single coming and going in respect that we have, and Les Reed especially has, for the new manager, that he can put his stamp on the team and influence the process.

It’s very important that we, once again I want to use the words, have controlled speed and not haste. We are going 24-7 right now and we hope to have a shortlist out there in the very near future. We are speaking days and not weeks.

Q: What can a new manager expect to find at the club with bids in for some of your star players and in terms of transfer funds?

A: First of all it’s very clear that we are in control. We are in control of all the player transfers. All the top players are under long term contracts.

Any transfers that take place will be under our terms. We will decide the terms to potential transfers in and out of the club.

We will involve the manager. That is important for everybody to know. That’s why we have been able to not agree to any transfers to date, because we have control of the situation, and anybody who is saying anything else doesn’t understand that we are in a strong position with the Saints.

Q: Do you need to sell anybody?

A: We do not need to. The fact of the matter is that there are many different factors that make people’s decisions, for instance with Pochettino.

We, after many months now, are extremely pleased with the foundation that we have here. We said from the start that we have to roll up our sleeves and work very hard and we have been doing that behind the scenes. There are some things that aren’t really sexy for the fans but are really important for the health and stability of the club.

We have an outstanding new chief commercial officer in Martin Semmens, the owner and founder of Elvis Communications in London, who’s building our commercial department.

We have Kate Terry, the new head of marketing, moving to us from Apple in London and a new chief financial officer coming.

Our executive board level has been rebuilt with Les (Reed) heading up the sports, Gareth (Rogers) as the CEO and with these two new appointments we have an unbelievable new and strong foundation built on the people we already found here. There’s a lot of good things happening in the club.

Q: People will likely understand that you couldn’t hold onto Mauricio once he told you he wanted to leave. If a senior player comes to you and there is a good offer on the table for them and they say they would like to move, despite a long contract, is it feasible to hold on to them?

A: That’s a very good question and the answer to that question is that the only person in the club who has all the information, and he is gathering it at a high pace right now, is Les Reed.

I want to say again that if transfers in either direction are in the best interest of the club, including all factors, then that’s what we have to do.

You made a good example of a difficult question but to answer that it will be in our mind as to what is best for the Saints and what is the best way for us to build a competitive team for August 16.

You need to consider all factors when you make those decisions and I’m sure Les will do that.

Q: Would a new manager, without player sales, expect to be able to recruit into the squad?

A: There will definitely be some changes to the squad and we have very exciting players tracked and, as much as we would like to give you a shortlist on managers, very soon we like to give you a shortlist on players.

We would like to underline again there is interest from all over Europe, in England and outside of England, with players who have shown interest in coming to Southampton, who want to play here, who see the opportunity of growth through the club.

In the end no one person is bigger than the club. This club is really a place to grow.

You look at the new academy and the first team facilities that are being built and the pitches and the rehab centre and the training centre and the sports science and everything happening out there in the New Forest and you can be nothing but excited about coming to this club and knowing that you will get better.

If it means that the odd player will leave as a result of the good process and the exciting situation we are in, or the manager leaves as ours did, then that is all a compliment to the work we are doing. When people want your people you are doing something right. People have an eye on the good things or the strengths of Southampton Football Club.

Q: In terms of a new manager do you have in mind a type of person – young and ambitious, older and more experienced, or are you open minded?

A: When you say ‘type of person’, this is an organisation that is working on very very deeply rooted values and principles.

They begin with the Liebherr family. Markus passed through to Katharina and they have run through the club now. We have redefined the ‘Southampton Way’ with our people – created by the people for them. As we go forward it’s a really well defined new vision, with strong values that we will eventually bring public and we need a manager who is in line with that, who wants to be an example and live these values right through the first team, into the academy, their training and coaching methods.

We will do everything in our power to find the person to fit that profile so we can’t say right now young or old, we are open to all ethnic backgrounds and all philosophies as long as they fit with the focus on youth, the focus on development, the focus on an exciting end product on the pitch for our fans.

Q: Finally then, there has been a lot of talk of the end of the initial five year plan, what is the plan going forward, the message for the fans and the ambitions you hope to see the club fulfil?

A: The plan is a permanently evolving entity. We have a plan, we are very well structured and organised and have extremely good people heading up that plan.

As we evolve we are continually strengthening and working on that plan.

Everybody needs to remember that we took over a club that had a lot of things off track and off canter, so first of all we needed to stabilise and I believe we have done that...

Q: To be clear, you mean when you took over in January?

A: Yes. It’s only been a few months. The vision has been very clear right through to the last person, and that is to take this club into European football. It is driving everything we do.

Why do we invest the money to have 20 recruiters and scouting staff? Why do we invest in a structure that costs more than £30m for first team training facility and the academy?

It’s because we want to grow, we want to develop and we want to get better and grow and compete with the top clubs in England.

We are going to have to compete our way. We are going to have to do it through youth, through our own player development, and I am going to watch four 19-year-olds from our academy play against Ukraine in the national team and that’s the way we can become a competitive team. That’s the way we can go to Europe.

That vision is driving everything else we do.
This now has a hollow ring:- No topic was banned from discussion as Krueger answered all the burning questions at Saints. Here we bring the uncensored and unabridged transcript direct to you: Q: It’s been a tough few days, what are your emotions and reflections at the moment? A: I have to say we have moved forward very quickly with our management team after the decision from Pochettino. We have been clear in our communication that we are already working towards a solution so I am actually full of adrenaline right now. It’s a challenge we are taking head on and we wake up today actually excited about the future. Q: Can you outline what has happened to lead to Mauricio leaving and what attempts you made to keep him here? A: I have to underline that we did everything possible for a long period of time to keep Pochettino here. Clearly a contract was offered. At the same time we didn’t colour code anything, we were very honest in the process and he made his decision and we respect that and move on. The importance of finding a new manager that is completely in line with our vision, our plan, where we want to go and how we want to get there is now our focus. We feel we did what we could and that the process from our side was extremely transparent. Q: Do you feel a bit let down by Mauricio? A: I’m not going to speak for the others on the board but I have been in sports much too long to take anything personally. The only thing that interests us is the further development of the Saints, continuing to drive our vision to take this club into European football, continuing to grow this club. There is not time to feel sorry or feel disappointed or feel anything but excitement about where the club is right now – the strongest position we have ever been in as a club in its history. The work that still needs to be done to build on that is what’s driving us right now. Q: Les Reed said he was comfortable and happy to wait until the summer to discuss a new contract with Mauricio and he left very soon after the end of the season. Was that tactic a mistake in hindsight? A: You make your decisions all the time on the information that you have at that point in time. The focus on bringing the product on the field to the fan base, to our followers, was the dominant fact until the end of the Man United game. When we came in as a board we didn’t want to disrupt anything going on around the most important thing in the club, and that’s the football. We stayed away from the football as much as we needed to and when it was asked we did for the quality of the product on the field. I believe we retained the quality of the product. We found it extremely important to get the eighth place, we found it extremely important to play right until the finish line, which the club did, and then we began the next process. No, we don’t feel we made any mistakes because that was our focus and so we made all the other decisions connected to that. What was the main focus? football. But on May 12 that focus changed. We will be eighth place all summer long but now we need to defend that, we need to build on it, so I don’t feel from a timing perspective if we remixed the cards we would do it any different. Q: When did it become inevitable that Mauricio was going to leave? A: It’s been a process and I have to say that pretty quickly it was clear and then the negotiations and the legalities of the whole situation consumed us and did drag on the final product. It was pretty complex, of course, it wasn’t a simple cut. I realise that now we are communicating and we were not able to in the process. At times we will not be able to communicate in the interests of the club and that’s what happened here but we are ready and well positioned for what is coming now. Q: If you realised Mauricio was leaving, presumably you started the search for a new manager a while ago? A: I think all the fans know that I am in a position of learning and growth. I didn’t come in here pretending that I would understand what the chairman role would entail. I have found every day fascinating and exciting and one of the things I have learnt in the last few days is how strong our recruitment and scouting department is. It’s amazing. The same group, right now 20 people – seven domestic, seven all over Europe and another six plus or minus in the office – in charge of recruitment, analysis and scouting. What I wasn’t aware of was that they are not actually only doing this for players and building stats and profiles and video footage and data on players, they are doing the same on managers as part of their job. Without emotion they are continually analysing potential candidates to work here in Southampton. The interesting thing about that is that they are the same exact group that found Mauricio Pochettino, and at that time I have done some research and realise some people said ‘who? What? Where did he come from?’. It’s the recruitment process here that is running non-stop that brought him here. This same group has been able to pull out a prospective long list and Les Reed has been inundated by high calibre requests from managers. He has been bombarded and he needs to process it but at the same time it confirms how Southampton is positioned not only in England but in European football. We are in a really good place, people want to be here, people want to work here. Players want to play here and we’ve got agents contacting him and not only for managers but for players. It’s become a destination. People see you can grow and develop here. So that’s a long answer, but you need to know the same people that found Pochettino have given us information and we are scanning that list right now. We realise we need to be quick but not hasty... Q: What is the time frame? A: There is no date, but we would like to have a long list together as quickly as is healthily possible. The reason is that we would like the new manager to be involved in our player decisions. We have held off on every single coming and going in respect that we have, and Les Reed especially has, for the new manager, that he can put his stamp on the team and influence the process. It’s very important that we, once again I want to use the words, have controlled speed and not haste. We are going 24-7 right now and we hope to have a shortlist out there in the very near future. We are speaking days and not weeks. Q: What can a new manager expect to find at the club with bids in for some of your star players and in terms of transfer funds? A: First of all it’s very clear that we are in control. We are in control of all the player transfers. All the top players are under long term contracts. Any transfers that take place will be under our terms. We will decide the terms to potential transfers in and out of the club. We will involve the manager. That is important for everybody to know. That’s why we have been able to not agree to any transfers to date, because we have control of the situation, and anybody who is saying anything else doesn’t understand that we are in a strong position with the Saints. Q: Do you need to sell anybody? A: We do not need to. The fact of the matter is that there are many different factors that make people’s decisions, for instance with Pochettino. We, after many months now, are extremely pleased with the foundation that we have here. We said from the start that we have to roll up our sleeves and work very hard and we have been doing that behind the scenes. There are some things that aren’t really sexy for the fans but are really important for the health and stability of the club. We have an outstanding new chief commercial officer in Martin Semmens, the owner and founder of Elvis Communications in London, who’s building our commercial department. We have Kate Terry, the new head of marketing, moving to us from Apple in London and a new chief financial officer coming. Our executive board level has been rebuilt with Les (Reed) heading up the sports, Gareth (Rogers) as the CEO and with these two new appointments we have an unbelievable new and strong foundation built on the people we already found here. There’s a lot of good things happening in the club. Q: People will likely understand that you couldn’t hold onto Mauricio once he told you he wanted to leave. If a senior player comes to you and there is a good offer on the table for them and they say they would like to move, despite a long contract, is it feasible to hold on to them? A: That’s a very good question and the answer to that question is that the only person in the club who has all the information, and he is gathering it at a high pace right now, is Les Reed. I want to say again that if transfers in either direction are in the best interest of the club, including all factors, then that’s what we have to do. You made a good example of a difficult question but to answer that it will be in our mind as to what is best for the Saints and what is the best way for us to build a competitive team for August 16. You need to consider all factors when you make those decisions and I’m sure Les will do that. Q: Would a new manager, without player sales, expect to be able to recruit into the squad? A: There will definitely be some changes to the squad and we have very exciting players tracked and, as much as we would like to give you a shortlist on managers, very soon we like to give you a shortlist on players. We would like to underline again there is interest from all over Europe, in England and outside of England, with players who have shown interest in coming to Southampton, who want to play here, who see the opportunity of growth through the club. In the end no one person is bigger than the club. This club is really a place to grow. You look at the new academy and the first team facilities that are being built and the pitches and the rehab centre and the training centre and the sports science and everything happening out there in the New Forest and you can be nothing but excited about coming to this club and knowing that you will get better. If it means that the odd player will leave as a result of the good process and the exciting situation we are in, or the manager leaves as ours did, then that is all a compliment to the work we are doing. When people want your people you are doing something right. People have an eye on the good things or the strengths of Southampton Football Club. Q: In terms of a new manager do you have in mind a type of person – young and ambitious, older and more experienced, or are you open minded? A: When you say ‘type of person’, this is an organisation that is working on very very deeply rooted values and principles. They begin with the Liebherr family. Markus passed through to Katharina and they have run through the club now. We have redefined the ‘Southampton Way’ with our people – created by the people for them. As we go forward it’s a really well defined new vision, with strong values that we will eventually bring public and we need a manager who is in line with that, who wants to be an example and live these values right through the first team, into the academy, their training and coaching methods. We will do everything in our power to find the person to fit that profile so we can’t say right now young or old, we are open to all ethnic backgrounds and all philosophies as long as they fit with the focus on youth, the focus on development, the focus on an exciting end product on the pitch for our fans. Q: Finally then, there has been a lot of talk of the end of the initial five year plan, what is the plan going forward, the message for the fans and the ambitions you hope to see the club fulfil? A: The plan is a permanently evolving entity. We have a plan, we are very well structured and organised and have extremely good people heading up that plan. As we evolve we are continually strengthening and working on that plan. Everybody needs to remember that we took over a club that had a lot of things off track and off canter, so first of all we needed to stabilise and I believe we have done that... Q: To be clear, you mean when you took over in January? A: Yes. It’s only been a few months. The vision has been very clear right through to the last person, and that is to take this club into European football. It is driving everything we do. Why do we invest the money to have 20 recruiters and scouting staff? Why do we invest in a structure that costs more than £30m for first team training facility and the academy? It’s because we want to grow, we want to develop and we want to get better and grow and compete with the top clubs in England. We are going to have to compete our way. We are going to have to do it through youth, through our own player development, and I am going to watch four 19-year-olds from our academy play against Ukraine in the national team and that’s the way we can become a competitive team. That’s the way we can go to Europe. That vision is driving everything else we do. miltonarcher
  • Score: -5

1:11pm Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Invidia wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Invidia wrote:
The only positive that I can see in all this mayhem is that Osprey is in his element and trying to answer every post on here but with so man posts is failing miserably, he is certainly enjoying this disaster.
Have to take the dog out occasionally so not as quicks as I would have liked, but to say I am enjoying it, is on a par with saying that the neggies are unhappy to be trolling out their type of tripe.
Why in your words "the neggie's trolling out tripe", are you suggesting that their opinions mean nothing and your opinion is the only one that is worth considering, not that you appear to have any opinions of our own just trying to be funny with other peoples, you even copied my post from yesterday when it would have been far easier to have used the quote button. I am beginning to believe that an Osprey is another name for a Shitehawk.
It rather depends on what you consider to be a neggie, they know who they are, I don't need to point them out individually. Some mean well, others don't, it isn't easy to tell, so if a message is perceived to be down beat that's negative, it doesn't have to be disingenuous, it can be factually accurate yet still be depressing to a dedicated happy clapper. There is no dishonour in the present circumstances to be saying things we don't want to hear, I appreciate the wake up call as long as it isn't overdone and is purely done to point out the shortcomings, which to tell you the truth we are aware of but just rather not hear repeated over and over again as if it something to trumpeted to the rest of the world. Not helping our ongoing reputation of being a Premier laughing stock. There is really no justification in calling me names either is there? If it gives you some kind of self satisfaction carry on, I have broad shoulders and no doubt I will be called lots of things before I'm done.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: The only positive that I can see in all this mayhem is that Osprey is in his element and trying to answer every post on here but with so man posts is failing miserably, he is certainly enjoying this disaster.[/p][/quote]Have to take the dog out occasionally so not as quicks as I would have liked, but to say I am enjoying it, is on a par with saying that the neggies are unhappy to be trolling out their type of tripe.[/p][/quote]Why in your words "the neggie's trolling out tripe", are you suggesting that their opinions mean nothing and your opinion is the only one that is worth considering, not that you appear to have any opinions of our own just trying to be funny with other peoples, you even copied my post from yesterday when it would have been far easier to have used the quote button. I am beginning to believe that an Osprey is another name for a Shitehawk.[/p][/quote]It rather depends on what you consider to be a neggie, they know who they are, I don't need to point them out individually. Some mean well, others don't, it isn't easy to tell, so if a message is perceived to be down beat that's negative, it doesn't have to be disingenuous, it can be factually accurate yet still be depressing to a dedicated happy clapper. There is no dishonour in the present circumstances to be saying things we don't want to hear, I appreciate the wake up call as long as it isn't overdone and is purely done to point out the shortcomings, which to tell you the truth we are aware of but just rather not hear repeated over and over again as if it something to trumpeted to the rest of the world. Not helping our ongoing reputation of being a Premier laughing stock. There is really no justification in calling me names either is there? If it gives you some kind of self satisfaction carry on, I have broad shoulders and no doubt I will be called lots of things before I'm done. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

1:19pm Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

george chivers wrote:
GP19Saint wrote:
Why is everyone so obsessed with going out and buying replacement players? Let's not follow up a fire sale with panic buying. I don't think any of these players should have been sold but we still have a core of committed players who worked really hard for Saints last season. They may not have been everyone's first choice but they are on the whole premier league quality and a whole load of new players is not going to help.

We have replaced Lambert with what looks like a quality signing in Pelle and Gallagher is a good prospect.

In midfield, we replaced Lallana with Tadic plus we still have Ward-Prowse, Reed, Davis and Cork. If we lose Schneiderlin, Wanyama can take his place - sure, Schneiderlin is difficult to replace but Wanyama had a good start to last season before his injury.

In defence, Targett will take over from Shaw and may possibly become an even better player. Clyne has proved he is as good if not better than Chambers. No guarantee we can find a better keeper than Boruc, even if he makes a few mistakes from time to time. We definitely need a quality centre half to replace Lovren but Yoshida is not so bad.

Many of the players who are left have played and fought for Saints during one of the most successful periods in our history so let's give them - together with a couple of quality signings and some academy players - a chance. We may not get to 8th place again but let's not make things worse by overpaying for new players and upsetting the mentality of the squad even further. I agree strength in depth will become an issue but we have until the end of August to make sure we make the right signings based on what Koeman sees during pre-season and the first few fixtures.

Very disappointed by what's going on and not clear why Reed and Krueger cannot give more information and communication to the fans. They could try to make the case for what's happening and instead everyone's speculating. The Cortese regime looks more open.
And what happens when we get injuries, yellow cards totted up, red cards etc?
Same as it ever was.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GP19Saint[/bold] wrote: Why is everyone so obsessed with going out and buying replacement players? Let's not follow up a fire sale with panic buying. I don't think any of these players should have been sold but we still have a core of committed players who worked really hard for Saints last season. They may not have been everyone's first choice but they are on the whole premier league quality and a whole load of new players is not going to help. We have replaced Lambert with what looks like a quality signing in Pelle and Gallagher is a good prospect. In midfield, we replaced Lallana with Tadic plus we still have Ward-Prowse, Reed, Davis and Cork. If we lose Schneiderlin, Wanyama can take his place - sure, Schneiderlin is difficult to replace but Wanyama had a good start to last season before his injury. In defence, Targett will take over from Shaw and may possibly become an even better player. Clyne has proved he is as good if not better than Chambers. No guarantee we can find a better keeper than Boruc, even if he makes a few mistakes from time to time. We definitely need a quality centre half to replace Lovren but Yoshida is not so bad. Many of the players who are left have played and fought for Saints during one of the most successful periods in our history so let's give them - together with a couple of quality signings and some academy players - a chance. We may not get to 8th place again but let's not make things worse by overpaying for new players and upsetting the mentality of the squad even further. I agree strength in depth will become an issue but we have until the end of August to make sure we make the right signings based on what Koeman sees during pre-season and the first few fixtures. Very disappointed by what's going on and not clear why Reed and Krueger cannot give more information and communication to the fans. They could try to make the case for what's happening and instead everyone's speculating. The Cortese regime looks more open.[/p][/quote]And what happens when we get injuries, yellow cards totted up, red cards etc?[/p][/quote]Same as it ever was. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

1:20pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Invidia says...

So where is your considered opinion on the state of affairs to date. Or will it be Well slappa my thigh stuff again.

P.S it would appear that you do not read posts correctly I actually wrote I am beginning to believe that an Osprey is another name for a Shitehawk.
So where is your considered opinion on the state of affairs to date. Or will it be Well slappa my thigh stuff again. P.S it would appear that you do not read posts correctly I actually wrote I am beginning to believe that an Osprey is another name for a Shitehawk. Invidia
  • Score: -4

1:23pm Tue 29 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Invidia wrote:
So where is your considered opinion on the state of affairs to date. Or will it be Well slappa my thigh stuff again.

P.S it would appear that you do not read posts correctly I actually wrote I am beginning to believe that an Osprey is another name for a Shitehawk.
OK I get the message I will go elsewhere until the mess is sorted. Shitehawk over and out.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: So where is your considered opinion on the state of affairs to date. Or will it be Well slappa my thigh stuff again. P.S it would appear that you do not read posts correctly I actually wrote I am beginning to believe that an Osprey is another name for a Shitehawk.[/p][/quote]OK I get the message I will go elsewhere until the mess is sorted. Shitehawk over and out. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

1:25pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Saint. says...

bbb001 wrote:
Saint. wrote:
Enough now!

I have never hidden the fact that I believed we had the best chairman in NC, and we did! NC promised and delivered on those promises. He gave the club ambition to succeed and clearly believed there is no point being in this game if you do not aspire to be the best and to do this challenge the best on equal footing. He took the club from league one to eight in the prem, without really silly wages being paid!

Now we are here on the fresh hold of a hopefully propus new area to now see what?

Personally alarm bells rang when I read a quote from KL saying" she did not want NC to leave." But she obviously did not work too hard to keep him, and give him what he wanted to take this club forward, to succeed with the vision. That is all she really had to do to keep a man at the helm who was clearly delivering by a country mile! Yes we can all argue about what he actually wanted, doing, and way of doing, but not a single person on here knows! Only the board does and may be only NC and KL. But still so many opinions are formed from speculation and hear say!

We now have Les Reed who has never filled me with confidence anyway, simply lying to our faces! He has made big statements on the back of really not knowing the score, or being farmed out to appease the fans, as Ralph bombed. Quite simply a five year old would done better, as all he has done has said words the fans wanted to hear, even if they had no substance to them!

We now have Ralph Krueger who is suppose to be the big motivational speaker/communicator


! He comes out and says going forward they would find a way to communicate to the fan on a more frequent basis! If this current situation does warrant it, then I don't know what does! Yet we have not seen or herd a peep from him. RK also states that our players are for Southampton FC! He continues to say I've played hockey and got a scar on my chin, I can be tough when these club come knocking! See what you mean Ralph, real tough cookie!

Between these two they have taken Southampton FC and archived the following in a space of a short time.

They have lost the club kit supplier (don't believe all what they said, as it not that they would never lie to you)

They have taken a club sitting eight in the league with potential to archive more with additions (clearly now a concept wasted on them), and with many plaudits around the world and brought it down to date the laughing stock in football! We are the butt of many jokes, and oh how others are loving trying to put us in our so called place!

They say things like no need to sale and with in weeks of the World cup sale all three of OUR England players! Something to proud of!!

They go onto sell virtually the rest of the squad, with no signs given to the fans of an end for the rest of the squad. They single handily ripped the total team spirit out of the club by their actions! They are setting unprecedented player sales in numbers never seen before!! Yet they hide behind the fact of the sizeable undisclosed deal done for each!

The new phrase is for calm as our players continue to be sold, and they have the cheek to say well yes we want to keep our best players and look at Reed who signed a contract proves the point!! What Les has this proved? What does a contract mean, apart from a big sale fee?! The players YOU BOTH have sold all have long contracts, and playing for a club that players use to want to play for! Now LR and RK have created a open door for the players to talk to each other then pop their head in and say boss I want to leave, and you say no problem boy as we only need to hear "we don't want to be here" and we sell, as you know sunny we don't want long faces around here.

They have single handily changed the way the other clubs view us, and given them no need to look else where of further a field.

They continue show naivety dealing with players and agents! Instead they are being walked over oh so easily!!!

I can only hope Ronald Koeman knows what is round the corner, as he has been embarrassed now by having to say, ok three gone and now it has to stop here. For him to see further two go under his nose! We are indeed lucky to have RK and his tweet picture yesterday was priceless! How these two got him is a miracle, and gets me to thinking may be Koeman knows something we don't.

A message to the board, you have now gone too far, and need to start thinking of the bigger damage you are inflicting to the fans and the club! You are humiliating this great club of ours and creating us as simply the laughing stock of footballing world! You must start today before its too late to put the pride back in Southampton FC and for the fans and tell us your intentions, game plan, ambitions, with a statement and actions that speak louder than words! As a Saint fan we are hurting and need to know why, and what you intend to do?
Its no secret why Cortese left, he refused to be accountable to KL, the woman who owns the club. He thought Sfc was his and didnot want to answer to KL. Soon it will become clear that her intervention has saved the club not ruined it as you seem to think. Why dont you read the articles concerning the Saints debts during the Cortese tenure.
Firstly I stated that no one really knows why! Not even you!!

Second if you wish to believe rumours, then the rumour is that NC did not want KL in the Southampton FC boardroom! He flew out to answer to her and always had a lot of respect for her and her father. NC knew KL owned the club now, but just felt she did not need to be involved in the boardroom of the club. That just simply business

Thirdly as for debts! What do you actually know? NC is one the highest bankers in the world, he knows how to mange debt! This he does without thinking! Its his profession!

Fourthly if KL has come in to save the day as you claim we will all find out soon, and that means NC had to go, why did KL state she wanted to keep him, and if there is any truth to this statement, then NC could not of been that bad as you paint, can he?

Lastly as a Saints fans I have read all the comments you suggest I should do! Though not once have I mentioned or knocked KL, so I find your comments strange! I have knocked the two people she has in charge! You should not believe all you read sir! As we are told, our players are not for sale. Our players are for Southampton FC! The best is "nothing change"

Let me ask you something. When have you ever seen three Saints players playing for England, for the next moment they are all sold?! When have you ever seen three top players sold to one club?! When have you seen five of your best team players sold with a click of a finger?! Can you see this as the end of our player sale?! We are creating astounding history and being laughed at to boot?! Your happy with this?
[quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: Enough now! I have never hidden the fact that I believed we had the best chairman in NC, and we did! NC promised and delivered on those promises. He gave the club ambition to succeed and clearly believed there is no point being in this game if you do not aspire to be the best and to do this challenge the best on equal footing. He took the club from league one to eight in the prem, without really silly wages being paid! Now we are here on the fresh hold of a hopefully propus new area to now see what? Personally alarm bells rang when I read a quote from KL saying" she did not want NC to leave." But she obviously did not work too hard to keep him, and give him what he wanted to take this club forward, to succeed with the vision. That is all she really had to do to keep a man at the helm who was clearly delivering by a country mile! Yes we can all argue about what he actually wanted, doing, and way of doing, but not a single person on here knows! Only the board does and may be only NC and KL. But still so many opinions are formed from speculation and hear say! We now have Les Reed who has never filled me with confidence anyway, simply lying to our faces! He has made big statements on the back of really not knowing the score, or being farmed out to appease the fans, as Ralph bombed. Quite simply a five year old would done better, as all he has done has said words the fans wanted to hear, even if they had no substance to them! We now have Ralph Krueger who is suppose to be the big motivational speaker/communicator ! He comes out and says going forward they would find a way to communicate to the fan on a more frequent basis! If this current situation does warrant it, then I don't know what does! Yet we have not seen or herd a peep from him. RK also states that our players are for Southampton FC! He continues to say I've played hockey and got a scar on my chin, I can be tough when these club come knocking! See what you mean Ralph, real tough cookie! Between these two they have taken Southampton FC and archived the following in a space of a short time. They have lost the club kit supplier (don't believe all what they said, as it not that they would never lie to you) They have taken a club sitting eight in the league with potential to archive more with additions (clearly now a concept wasted on them), and with many plaudits around the world and brought it down to date the laughing stock in football! We are the butt of many jokes, and oh how others are loving trying to put us in our so called place! They say things like no need to sale and with in weeks of the World cup sale all three of OUR England players! Something to proud of!! They go onto sell virtually the rest of the squad, with no signs given to the fans of an end for the rest of the squad. They single handily ripped the total team spirit out of the club by their actions! They are setting unprecedented player sales in numbers never seen before!! Yet they hide behind the fact of the sizeable undisclosed deal done for each! The new phrase is for calm as our players continue to be sold, and they have the cheek to say well yes we want to keep our best players and look at Reed who signed a contract proves the point!! What Les has this proved? What does a contract mean, apart from a big sale fee?! The players YOU BOTH have sold all have long contracts, and playing for a club that players use to want to play for! Now LR and RK have created a open door for the players to talk to each other then pop their head in and say boss I want to leave, and you say no problem boy as we only need to hear "we don't want to be here" and we sell, as you know sunny we don't want long faces around here. They have single handily changed the way the other clubs view us, and given them no need to look else where of further a field. They continue show naivety dealing with players and agents! Instead they are being walked over oh so easily!!! I can only hope Ronald Koeman knows what is round the corner, as he has been embarrassed now by having to say, ok three gone and now it has to stop here. For him to see further two go under his nose! We are indeed lucky to have RK and his tweet picture yesterday was priceless! How these two got him is a miracle, and gets me to thinking may be Koeman knows something we don't. A message to the board, you have now gone too far, and need to start thinking of the bigger damage you are inflicting to the fans and the club! You are humiliating this great club of ours and creating us as simply the laughing stock of footballing world! You must start today before its too late to put the pride back in Southampton FC and for the fans and tell us your intentions, game plan, ambitions, with a statement and actions that speak louder than words! As a Saint fan we are hurting and need to know why, and what you intend to do?[/p][/quote]Its no secret why Cortese left, he refused to be accountable to KL, the woman who owns the club. He thought Sfc was his and didnot want to answer to KL. Soon it will become clear that her intervention has saved the club not ruined it as you seem to think. Why dont you read the articles concerning the Saints debts during the Cortese tenure.[/p][/quote]Firstly I stated that no one really knows why! Not even you!! Second if you wish to believe rumours, then the rumour is that NC did not want KL in the Southampton FC boardroom! He flew out to answer to her and always had a lot of respect for her and her father. NC knew KL owned the club now, but just felt she did not need to be involved in the boardroom of the club. That just simply business Thirdly as for debts! What do you actually know? NC is one the highest bankers in the world, he knows how to mange debt! This he does without thinking! Its his profession! Fourthly if KL has come in to save the day as you claim we will all find out soon, and that means NC had to go, why did KL state she wanted to keep him, and if there is any truth to this statement, then NC could not of been that bad as you paint, can he? Lastly as a Saints fans I have read all the comments you suggest I should do! Though not once have I mentioned or knocked KL, so I find your comments strange! I have knocked the two people she has in charge! You should not believe all you read sir! As we are told, our players are not for sale. Our players are for Southampton FC! The best is "nothing change" Let me ask you something. When have you ever seen three Saints players playing for England, for the next moment they are all sold?! When have you ever seen three top players sold to one club?! When have you seen five of your best team players sold with a click of a finger?! Can you see this as the end of our player sale?! We are creating astounding history and being laughed at to boot?! Your happy with this? Saint.
  • Score: 5

1:26pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Confucious says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Invidia wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Invidia wrote:
The only positive that I can see in all this mayhem is that Osprey is in his element and trying to answer every post on here but with so man posts is failing miserably, he is certainly enjoying this disaster.
Have to take the dog out occasionally so not as quicks as I would have liked, but to say I am enjoying it, is on a par with saying that the neggies are unhappy to be trolling out their type of tripe.
Why in your words "the neggie's trolling out tripe", are you suggesting that their opinions mean nothing and your opinion is the only one that is worth considering, not that you appear to have any opinions of our own just trying to be funny with other peoples, you even copied my post from yesterday when it would have been far easier to have used the quote button. I am beginning to believe that an Osprey is another name for a Shitehawk.
It rather depends on what you consider to be a neggie, they know who they are, I don't need to point them out individually. Some mean well, others don't, it isn't easy to tell, so if a message is perceived to be down beat that's negative, it doesn't have to be disingenuous, it can be factually accurate yet still be depressing to a dedicated happy clapper. There is no dishonour in the present circumstances to be saying things we don't want to hear, I appreciate the wake up call as long as it isn't overdone and is purely done to point out the shortcomings, which to tell you the truth we are aware of but just rather not hear repeated over and over again as if it something to trumpeted to the rest of the world. Not helping our ongoing reputation of being a Premier laughing stock. There is really no justification in calling me names either is there? If it gives you some kind of self satisfaction carry on, I have broad shoulders and no doubt I will be called lots of things before I'm done.
Twixt Invidia and Osprey
The banter's very droll
Osprey sees the doughnut
But Invidia sees the hole.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: The only positive that I can see in all this mayhem is that Osprey is in his element and trying to answer every post on here but with so man posts is failing miserably, he is certainly enjoying this disaster.[/p][/quote]Have to take the dog out occasionally so not as quicks as I would have liked, but to say I am enjoying it, is on a par with saying that the neggies are unhappy to be trolling out their type of tripe.[/p][/quote]Why in your words "the neggie's trolling out tripe", are you suggesting that their opinions mean nothing and your opinion is the only one that is worth considering, not that you appear to have any opinions of our own just trying to be funny with other peoples, you even copied my post from yesterday when it would have been far easier to have used the quote button. I am beginning to believe that an Osprey is another name for a Shitehawk.[/p][/quote]It rather depends on what you consider to be a neggie, they know who they are, I don't need to point them out individually. Some mean well, others don't, it isn't easy to tell, so if a message is perceived to be down beat that's negative, it doesn't have to be disingenuous, it can be factually accurate yet still be depressing to a dedicated happy clapper. There is no dishonour in the present circumstances to be saying things we don't want to hear, I appreciate the wake up call as long as it isn't overdone and is purely done to point out the shortcomings, which to tell you the truth we are aware of but just rather not hear repeated over and over again as if it something to trumpeted to the rest of the world. Not helping our ongoing reputation of being a Premier laughing stock. There is really no justification in calling me names either is there? If it gives you some kind of self satisfaction carry on, I have broad shoulders and no doubt I will be called lots of things before I'm done.[/p][/quote]Twixt Invidia and Osprey The banter's very droll Osprey sees the doughnut But Invidia sees the hole. Confucious
  • Score: 4

1:30pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Numpty Girl says...

I keep checking in to see who Lies has sold each day - I appreciate that we are a selling club and that Lies is a Grand Master in this art.
There's so much buzz at St Mary's - Spider, J-Rod, Clyne, Cork and Fonte are next up in this mass sale - everyone must go - Lies has even sold the fans - sold them down the river!
I keep checking in to see who Lies has sold each day - I appreciate that we are a selling club and that Lies is a Grand Master in this art. There's so much buzz at St Mary's - Spider, J-Rod, Clyne, Cork and Fonte are next up in this mass sale - everyone must go - Lies has even sold the fans - sold them down the river! Numpty Girl
  • Score: 2

1:30pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Confucious says...

Saint. wrote:
bbb001 wrote:
Saint. wrote:
Enough now!

I have never hidden the fact that I believed we had the best chairman in NC, and we did! NC promised and delivered on those promises. He gave the club ambition to succeed and clearly believed there is no point being in this game if you do not aspire to be the best and to do this challenge the best on equal footing. He took the club from league one to eight in the prem, without really silly wages being paid!

Now we are here on the fresh hold of a hopefully propus new area to now see what?

Personally alarm bells rang when I read a quote from KL saying" she did not want NC to leave." But she obviously did not work too hard to keep him, and give him what he wanted to take this club forward, to succeed with the vision. That is all she really had to do to keep a man at the helm who was clearly delivering by a country mile! Yes we can all argue about what he actually wanted, doing, and way of doing, but not a single person on here knows! Only the board does and may be only NC and KL. But still so many opinions are formed from speculation and hear say!

We now have Les Reed who has never filled me with confidence anyway, simply lying to our faces! He has made big statements on the back of really not knowing the score, or being farmed out to appease the fans, as Ralph bombed. Quite simply a five year old would done better, as all he has done has said words the fans wanted to hear, even if they had no substance to them!

We now have Ralph Krueger who is suppose to be the big motivational speaker/communicator



! He comes out and says going forward they would find a way to communicate to the fan on a more frequent basis! If this current situation does warrant it, then I don't know what does! Yet we have not seen or herd a peep from him. RK also states that our players are for Southampton FC! He continues to say I've played hockey and got a scar on my chin, I can be tough when these club come knocking! See what you mean Ralph, real tough cookie!

Between these two they have taken Southampton FC and archived the following in a space of a short time.

They have lost the club kit supplier (don't believe all what they said, as it not that they would never lie to you)

They have taken a club sitting eight in the league with potential to archive more with additions (clearly now a concept wasted on them), and with many plaudits around the world and brought it down to date the laughing stock in football! We are the butt of many jokes, and oh how others are loving trying to put us in our so called place!

They say things like no need to sale and with in weeks of the World cup sale all three of OUR England players! Something to proud of!!

They go onto sell virtually the rest of the squad, with no signs given to the fans of an end for the rest of the squad. They single handily ripped the total team spirit out of the club by their actions! They are setting unprecedented player sales in numbers never seen before!! Yet they hide behind the fact of the sizeable undisclosed deal done for each!

The new phrase is for calm as our players continue to be sold, and they have the cheek to say well yes we want to keep our best players and look at Reed who signed a contract proves the point!! What Les has this proved? What does a contract mean, apart from a big sale fee?! The players YOU BOTH have sold all have long contracts, and playing for a club that players use to want to play for! Now LR and RK have created a open door for the players to talk to each other then pop their head in and say boss I want to leave, and you say no problem boy as we only need to hear "we don't want to be here" and we sell, as you know sunny we don't want long faces around here.

They have single handily changed the way the other clubs view us, and given them no need to look else where of further a field.

They continue show naivety dealing with players and agents! Instead they are being walked over oh so easily!!!

I can only hope Ronald Koeman knows what is round the corner, as he has been embarrassed now by having to say, ok three gone and now it has to stop here. For him to see further two go under his nose! We are indeed lucky to have RK and his tweet picture yesterday was priceless! How these two got him is a miracle, and gets me to thinking may be Koeman knows something we don't.

A message to the board, you have now gone too far, and need to start thinking of the bigger damage you are inflicting to the fans and the club! You are humiliating this great club of ours and creating us as simply the laughing stock of footballing world! You must start today before its too late to put the pride back in Southampton FC and for the fans and tell us your intentions, game plan, ambitions, with a statement and actions that speak louder than words! As a Saint fan we are hurting and need to know why, and what you intend to do?
Its no secret why Cortese left, he refused to be accountable to KL, the woman who owns the club. He thought Sfc was his and didnot want to answer to KL. Soon it will become clear that her intervention has saved the club not ruined it as you seem to think. Why dont you read the articles concerning the Saints debts during the Cortese tenure.
Firstly I stated that no one really knows why! Not even you!!

Second if you wish to believe rumours, then the rumour is that NC did not want KL in the Southampton FC boardroom! He flew out to answer to her and always had a lot of respect for her and her father. NC knew KL owned the club now, but just felt she did not need to be involved in the boardroom of the club. That just simply business

Thirdly as for debts! What do you actually know? NC is one the highest bankers in the world, he knows how to mange debt! This he does without thinking! Its his profession!

Fourthly if KL has come in to save the day as you claim we will all find out soon, and that means NC had to go, why did KL state she wanted to keep him, and if there is any truth to this statement, then NC could not of been that bad as you paint, can he?

Lastly as a Saints fans I have read all the comments you suggest I should do! Though not once have I mentioned or knocked KL, so I find your comments strange! I have knocked the two people she has in charge! You should not believe all you read sir! As we are told, our players are not for sale. Our players are for Southampton FC! The best is "nothing change"

Let me ask you something. When have you ever seen three Saints players playing for England, for the next moment they are all sold?! When have you ever seen three top players sold to one club?! When have you seen five of your best team players sold with a click of a finger?! Can you see this as the end of our player sale?! We are creating astounding history and being laughed at to boot?! Your happy with this?
Blimey - you must be really unhappy that your parents ever met.
[quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: Enough now! I have never hidden the fact that I believed we had the best chairman in NC, and we did! NC promised and delivered on those promises. He gave the club ambition to succeed and clearly believed there is no point being in this game if you do not aspire to be the best and to do this challenge the best on equal footing. He took the club from league one to eight in the prem, without really silly wages being paid! Now we are here on the fresh hold of a hopefully propus new area to now see what? Personally alarm bells rang when I read a quote from KL saying" she did not want NC to leave." But she obviously did not work too hard to keep him, and give him what he wanted to take this club forward, to succeed with the vision. That is all she really had to do to keep a man at the helm who was clearly delivering by a country mile! Yes we can all argue about what he actually wanted, doing, and way of doing, but not a single person on here knows! Only the board does and may be only NC and KL. But still so many opinions are formed from speculation and hear say! We now have Les Reed who has never filled me with confidence anyway, simply lying to our faces! He has made big statements on the back of really not knowing the score, or being farmed out to appease the fans, as Ralph bombed. Quite simply a five year old would done better, as all he has done has said words the fans wanted to hear, even if they had no substance to them! We now have Ralph Krueger who is suppose to be the big motivational speaker/communicator ! He comes out and says going forward they would find a way to communicate to the fan on a more frequent basis! If this current situation does warrant it, then I don't know what does! Yet we have not seen or herd a peep from him. RK also states that our players are for Southampton FC! He continues to say I've played hockey and got a scar on my chin, I can be tough when these club come knocking! See what you mean Ralph, real tough cookie! Between these two they have taken Southampton FC and archived the following in a space of a short time. They have lost the club kit supplier (don't believe all what they said, as it not that they would never lie to you) They have taken a club sitting eight in the league with potential to archive more with additions (clearly now a concept wasted on them), and with many plaudits around the world and brought it down to date the laughing stock in football! We are the butt of many jokes, and oh how others are loving trying to put us in our so called place! They say things like no need to sale and with in weeks of the World cup sale all three of OUR England players! Something to proud of!! They go onto sell virtually the rest of the squad, with no signs given to the fans of an end for the rest of the squad. They single handily ripped the total team spirit out of the club by their actions! They are setting unprecedented player sales in numbers never seen before!! Yet they hide behind the fact of the sizeable undisclosed deal done for each! The new phrase is for calm as our players continue to be sold, and they have the cheek to say well yes we want to keep our best players and look at Reed who signed a contract proves the point!! What Les has this proved? What does a contract mean, apart from a big sale fee?! The players YOU BOTH have sold all have long contracts, and playing for a club that players use to want to play for! Now LR and RK have created a open door for the players to talk to each other then pop their head in and say boss I want to leave, and you say no problem boy as we only need to hear "we don't want to be here" and we sell, as you know sunny we don't want long faces around here. They have single handily changed the way the other clubs view us, and given them no need to look else where of further a field. They continue show naivety dealing with players and agents! Instead they are being walked over oh so easily!!! I can only hope Ronald Koeman knows what is round the corner, as he has been embarrassed now by having to say, ok three gone and now it has to stop here. For him to see further two go under his nose! We are indeed lucky to have RK and his tweet picture yesterday was priceless! How these two got him is a miracle, and gets me to thinking may be Koeman knows something we don't. A message to the board, you have now gone too far, and need to start thinking of the bigger damage you are inflicting to the fans and the club! You are humiliating this great club of ours and creating us as simply the laughing stock of footballing world! You must start today before its too late to put the pride back in Southampton FC and for the fans and tell us your intentions, game plan, ambitions, with a statement and actions that speak louder than words! As a Saint fan we are hurting and need to know why, and what you intend to do?[/p][/quote]Its no secret why Cortese left, he refused to be accountable to KL, the woman who owns the club. He thought Sfc was his and didnot want to answer to KL. Soon it will become clear that her intervention has saved the club not ruined it as you seem to think. Why dont you read the articles concerning the Saints debts during the Cortese tenure.[/p][/quote]Firstly I stated that no one really knows why! Not even you!! Second if you wish to believe rumours, then the rumour is that NC did not want KL in the Southampton FC boardroom! He flew out to answer to her and always had a lot of respect for her and her father. NC knew KL owned the club now, but just felt she did not need to be involved in the boardroom of the club. That just simply business Thirdly as for debts! What do you actually know? NC is one the highest bankers in the world, he knows how to mange debt! This he does without thinking! Its his profession! Fourthly if KL has come in to save the day as you claim we will all find out soon, and that means NC had to go, why did KL state she wanted to keep him, and if there is any truth to this statement, then NC could not of been that bad as you paint, can he? Lastly as a Saints fans I have read all the comments you suggest I should do! Though not once have I mentioned or knocked KL, so I find your comments strange! I have knocked the two people she has in charge! You should not believe all you read sir! As we are told, our players are not for sale. Our players are for Southampton FC! The best is "nothing change" Let me ask you something. When have you ever seen three Saints players playing for England, for the next moment they are all sold?! When have you ever seen three top players sold to one club?! When have you seen five of your best team players sold with a click of a finger?! Can you see this as the end of our player sale?! We are creating astounding history and being laughed at to boot?! Your happy with this?[/p][/quote]Blimey - you must be really unhappy that your parents ever met. Confucious
  • Score: 3

1:34pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Frankie Bennett says...

What worries me the most is that we are so slow to tie up any new deals. We could sign Forster tomorrow if we offered the right money - forget the Champions league nonsense Celtic are spouting. This makes me think we really are just buying cheap to keep the sale value up to potential investors.

However, none of the big media oulets are discussing an imminent sale of the club as yet and are still all talking about Koeman re-investing (Mirror/Telegraph etc). If it were definitely true that KL was selling up I'm sure it would have got out by now amongst all this carnage - it's all very strange.
What worries me the most is that we are so slow to tie up any new deals. We could sign Forster tomorrow if we offered the right money - forget the Champions league nonsense Celtic are spouting. This makes me think we really are just buying cheap to keep the sale value up to potential investors. However, none of the big media oulets are discussing an imminent sale of the club as yet and are still all talking about Koeman re-investing (Mirror/Telegraph etc). If it were definitely true that KL was selling up I'm sure it would have got out by now amongst all this carnage - it's all very strange. Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 3

1:35pm Tue 29 Jul 14

bbb001 says...

Ralph Krugar will be on Talksport drivetime tonight from 16.00
Ralph Krugar will be on Talksport drivetime tonight from 16.00 bbb001
  • Score: 4

1:41pm Tue 29 Jul 14

st.ranger says...

bbb001 wrote:
Ralph Krugar will be on Talksport drivetime tonight from 16.00
I wonder if he will be announcing that our season tickets are all valid for the first home match of the season "Liverhampton vs. Saints&Spitfires" at Anfields 'New Dell Stadium"....
[quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: Ralph Krugar will be on Talksport drivetime tonight from 16.00[/p][/quote]I wonder if he will be announcing that our season tickets are all valid for the first home match of the season "Liverhampton vs. Saints&Spitfires" at Anfields 'New Dell Stadium".... st.ranger
  • Score: 1

1:44pm Tue 29 Jul 14

News Fanatic says...

I hear that Liverpool are going to make a takeover bid for Saints. The club will be renamed Liverpool South or Liverhampton.
I hear that Liverpool are going to make a takeover bid for Saints. The club will be renamed Liverpool South or Liverhampton. News Fanatic
  • Score: 0

1:44pm Tue 29 Jul 14

u bunch of mugs says...

jls217 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
God what's happened to our fan base years ago we used to be full of passion for this great club and city now it's all what what old chap happy clap and in The board we trust ****.
When will you lot learn they don't give a **** about the club they just want the money.
This would not happen at any other club cause the fans wouldn't let it. Say what you like about the blue **** down the road but at least they have passion. Fu@k that hurt to say that
Mugs for the first time since reading your posts I'm beginning (just beginning mind) to think you might not be a skate plant after all. Apologies if you feel insulted.
Trust me I am no skate I f@uking hate the gypo/sailor off breeds.
I am just a proud and passionate Southampton lad that's sick off seeing the club ripped apart by c@cks like Les Reed. I have seen it for years Askham Lowe now this tw@t sick off it.
And he looks like Reg Holdsworth from coronation street.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: God what's happened to our fan base years ago we used to be full of passion for this great club and city now it's all what what old chap happy clap and in The board we trust ****. When will you lot learn they don't give a **** about the club they just want the money. This would not happen at any other club cause the fans wouldn't let it. Say what you like about the blue **** down the road but at least they have passion. Fu@k that hurt to say that[/p][/quote]Mugs for the first time since reading your posts I'm beginning (just beginning mind) to think you might not be a skate plant after all. Apologies if you feel insulted.[/p][/quote]Trust me I am no skate I f@uking hate the gypo/sailor off breeds. I am just a proud and passionate Southampton lad that's sick off seeing the club ripped apart by c@cks like Les Reed. I have seen it for years Askham Lowe now this tw@t sick off it. And he looks like Reg Holdsworth from coronation street. u bunch of mugs
  • Score: 0

1:51pm Tue 29 Jul 14

buckie says...

There seems to me to be alot off faith put into Matt Targett at left back has anyone actually seen this lad play i understand that he was further forward than that deserter before injury took it toll but i understand that he was not as fast just looking at ways for the board to make more money from not replacing that left back deserter same will that mouthy one up in scouseland ( not Lambert least he went with dignity and pride) Isgrove can hopefully step up i cant see many more players signing for us maybe a centre half thats about it in my opinion hope springs eternal though according to les yeah like we all believe him lol
There seems to me to be alot off faith put into Matt Targett at left back has anyone actually seen this lad play i understand that he was further forward than that deserter before injury took it toll but i understand that he was not as fast just looking at ways for the board to make more money from not replacing that left back deserter same will that mouthy one up in scouseland ( not Lambert least he went with dignity and pride) Isgrove can hopefully step up i cant see many more players signing for us maybe a centre half thats about it in my opinion hope springs eternal though according to les yeah like we all believe him lol buckie
  • Score: 2

1:54pm Tue 29 Jul 14

TGodSFC says...

bbb001 wrote:
Ralph Krugar will be on Talksport drivetime tonight from 16.00
Sky Sports re claiming that Spider is currently having talks with Saints as i type about his future and there has been no comment on Jrod being sold. Jrods agents refuses to comment but says "Jay is jut concentrating on his recovery". Also Dani's move to Inter looks set to be a season long loan.
[quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: Ralph Krugar will be on Talksport drivetime tonight from 16.00[/p][/quote]Sky Sports re claiming that Spider is currently having talks with Saints as i type about his future and there has been no comment on Jrod being sold. Jrods agents refuses to comment but says "Jay is jut concentrating on his recovery". Also Dani's move to Inter looks set to be a season long loan. TGodSFC
  • Score: 4

1:57pm Tue 29 Jul 14

truelysaints says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
truelysaints wrote:
Its as plain as plain can be. The club is being lined up for a sale with all the family jewels having been sold off. Cortese saw this. and left perhaps ready for a buy back.
Top conspiracy theorising, we are getting experts at that, still don't know anything that is a hard fact.
Simple business, collect the money for finishing 8th. Sell off you the most valued players. All worth over £100, 000, 000, then sell the hardware ad one is left with a handsome return on the initial outlay. If you don't think that football is a business for the investor who is looking for when to capitalise on his/her investment then wake up and sell the coffee. Unless one is a major club like the top four with handsome returns over the long haul then Saints will be the best it will ever be as an investment now.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]truelysaints[/bold] wrote: Its as plain as plain can be. The club is being lined up for a sale with all the family jewels having been sold off. Cortese saw this. and left perhaps ready for a buy back.[/p][/quote]Top conspiracy theorising, we are getting experts at that, still don't know anything that is a hard fact.[/p][/quote]Simple business, collect the money for finishing 8th. Sell off you the most valued players. All worth over £100, 000, 000, then sell the hardware ad one is left with a handsome return on the initial outlay. If you don't think that football is a business for the investor who is looking for when to capitalise on his/her investment then wake up and sell the coffee. Unless one is a major club like the top four with handsome returns over the long haul then Saints will be the best it will ever be as an investment now. truelysaints
  • Score: 0

2:02pm Tue 29 Jul 14

bbb001 says...

Confucious wrote:
Saint. wrote:
bbb001 wrote:
Saint. wrote:
Enough now!

I have never hidden the fact that I believed we had the best chairman in NC, and we did! NC promised and delivered on those promises. He gave the club ambition to succeed and clearly believed there is no point being in this game if you do not aspire to be the best and to do this challenge the best on equal footing. He took the club from league one to eight in the prem, without really silly wages being paid!

Now we are here on the fresh hold of a hopefully propus new area to now see what?

Personally alarm bells rang when I read a quote from KL saying" she did not want NC to leave." But she obviously did not work too hard to keep him, and give him what he wanted to take this club forward, to succeed with the vision. That is all she really had to do to keep a man at the helm who was clearly delivering by a country mile! Yes we can all argue about what he actually wanted, doing, and way of doing, but not a single person on here knows! Only the board does and may be only NC and KL. But still so many opinions are formed from speculation and hear say!

We now have Les Reed who has never filled me with confidence anyway, simply lying to our faces! He has made big statements on the back of really not knowing the score, or being farmed out to appease the fans, as Ralph bombed. Quite simply a five year old would done better, as all he has done has said words the fans wanted to hear, even if they had no substance to them!

We now have Ralph Krueger who is suppose to be the big motivational speaker/communicator




! He comes out and says going forward they would find a way to communicate to the fan on a more frequent basis! If this current situation does warrant it, then I don't know what does! Yet we have not seen or herd a peep from him. RK also states that our players are for Southampton FC! He continues to say I've played hockey and got a scar on my chin, I can be tough when these club come knocking! See what you mean Ralph, real tough cookie!

Between these two they have taken Southampton FC and archived the following in a space of a short time.

They have lost the club kit supplier (don't believe all what they said, as it not that they would never lie to you)

They have taken a club sitting eight in the league with potential to archive more with additions (clearly now a concept wasted on them), and with many plaudits around the world and brought it down to date the laughing stock in football! We are the butt of many jokes, and oh how others are loving trying to put us in our so called place!

They say things like no need to sale and with in weeks of the World cup sale all three of OUR England players! Something to proud of!!

They go onto sell virtually the rest of the squad, with no signs given to the fans of an end for the rest of the squad. They single handily ripped the total team spirit out of the club by their actions! They are setting unprecedented player sales in numbers never seen before!! Yet they hide behind the fact of the sizeable undisclosed deal done for each!

The new phrase is for calm as our players continue to be sold, and they have the cheek to say well yes we want to keep our best players and look at Reed who signed a contract proves the point!! What Les has this proved? What does a contract mean, apart from a big sale fee?! The players YOU BOTH have sold all have long contracts, and playing for a club that players use to want to play for! Now LR and RK have created a open door for the players to talk to each other then pop their head in and say boss I want to leave, and you say no problem boy as we only need to hear "we don't want to be here" and we sell, as you know sunny we don't want long faces around here.

They have single handily changed the way the other clubs view us, and given them no need to look else where of further a field.

They continue show naivety dealing with players and agents! Instead they are being walked over oh so easily!!!

I can only hope Ronald Koeman knows what is round the corner, as he has been embarrassed now by having to say, ok three gone and now it has to stop here. For him to see further two go under his nose! We are indeed lucky to have RK and his tweet picture yesterday was priceless! How these two got him is a miracle, and gets me to thinking may be Koeman knows something we don't.

A message to the board, you have now gone too far, and need to start thinking of the bigger damage you are inflicting to the fans and the club! You are humiliating this great club of ours and creating us as simply the laughing stock of footballing world! You must start today before its too late to put the pride back in Southampton FC and for the fans and tell us your intentions, game plan, ambitions, with a statement and actions that speak louder than words! As a Saint fan we are hurting and need to know why, and what you intend to do?
Its no secret why Cortese left, he refused to be accountable to KL, the woman who owns the club. He thought Sfc was his and didnot want to answer to KL. Soon it will become clear that her intervention has saved the club not ruined it as you seem to think. Why dont you read the articles concerning the Saints debts during the Cortese tenure.
Firstly I stated that no one really knows why! Not even you!!

Second if you wish to believe rumours, then the rumour is that NC did not want KL in the Southampton FC boardroom! He flew out to answer to her and always had a lot of respect for her and her father. NC knew KL owned the club now, but just felt she did not need to be involved in the boardroom of the club. That just simply business

Thirdly as for debts! What do you actually know? NC is one the highest bankers in the world, he knows how to mange debt! This he does without thinking! Its his profession!

Fourthly if KL has come in to save the day as you claim we will all find out soon, and that means NC had to go, why did KL state she wanted to keep him, and if there is any truth to this statement, then NC could not of been that bad as you paint, can he?

Lastly as a Saints fans I have read all the comments you suggest I should do! Though not once have I mentioned or knocked KL, so I find your comments strange! I have knocked the two people she has in charge! You should not believe all you read sir! As we are told, our players are not for sale. Our players are for Southampton FC! The best is "nothing change"

Let me ask you something. When have you ever seen three Saints players playing for England, for the next moment they are all sold?! When have you ever seen three top players sold to one club?! When have you seen five of your best team players sold with a click of a finger?! Can you see this as the end of our player sale?! We are creating astounding history and being laughed at to boot?! Your happy with this?
Blimey - you must be really unhappy that your parents ever met.
Wow, what an angry man, calm down and tune into Talksport drivetime and listen to what Ralph Krugar has to say. Hopefully that will clear a few things up. This will hopefully stop people like you claiming to be the all knowledgable on all things Saints.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: Enough now! I have never hidden the fact that I believed we had the best chairman in NC, and we did! NC promised and delivered on those promises. He gave the club ambition to succeed and clearly believed there is no point being in this game if you do not aspire to be the best and to do this challenge the best on equal footing. He took the club from league one to eight in the prem, without really silly wages being paid! Now we are here on the fresh hold of a hopefully propus new area to now see what? Personally alarm bells rang when I read a quote from KL saying" she did not want NC to leave." But she obviously did not work too hard to keep him, and give him what he wanted to take this club forward, to succeed with the vision. That is all she really had to do to keep a man at the helm who was clearly delivering by a country mile! Yes we can all argue about what he actually wanted, doing, and way of doing, but not a single person on here knows! Only the board does and may be only NC and KL. But still so many opinions are formed from speculation and hear say! We now have Les Reed who has never filled me with confidence anyway, simply lying to our faces! He has made big statements on the back of really not knowing the score, or being farmed out to appease the fans, as Ralph bombed. Quite simply a five year old would done better, as all he has done has said words the fans wanted to hear, even if they had no substance to them! We now have Ralph Krueger who is suppose to be the big motivational speaker/communicator ! He comes out and says going forward they would find a way to communicate to the fan on a more frequent basis! If this current situation does warrant it, then I don't know what does! Yet we have not seen or herd a peep from him. RK also states that our players are for Southampton FC! He continues to say I've played hockey and got a scar on my chin, I can be tough when these club come knocking! See what you mean Ralph, real tough cookie! Between these two they have taken Southampton FC and archived the following in a space of a short time. They have lost the club kit supplier (don't believe all what they said, as it not that they would never lie to you) They have taken a club sitting eight in the league with potential to archive more with additions (clearly now a concept wasted on them), and with many plaudits around the world and brought it down to date the laughing stock in football! We are the butt of many jokes, and oh how others are loving trying to put us in our so called place! They say things like no need to sale and with in weeks of the World cup sale all three of OUR England players! Something to proud of!! They go onto sell virtually the rest of the squad, with no signs given to the fans of an end for the rest of the squad. They single handily ripped the total team spirit out of the club by their actions! They are setting unprecedented player sales in numbers never seen before!! Yet they hide behind the fact of the sizeable undisclosed deal done for each! The new phrase is for calm as our players continue to be sold, and they have the cheek to say well yes we want to keep our best players and look at Reed who signed a contract proves the point!! What Les has this proved? What does a contract mean, apart from a big sale fee?! The players YOU BOTH have sold all have long contracts, and playing for a club that players use to want to play for! Now LR and RK have created a open door for the players to talk to each other then pop their head in and say boss I want to leave, and you say no problem boy as we only need to hear "we don't want to be here" and we sell, as you know sunny we don't want long faces around here. They have single handily changed the way the other clubs view us, and given them no need to look else where of further a field. They continue show naivety dealing with players and agents! Instead they are being walked over oh so easily!!! I can only hope Ronald Koeman knows what is round the corner, as he has been embarrassed now by having to say, ok three gone and now it has to stop here. For him to see further two go under his nose! We are indeed lucky to have RK and his tweet picture yesterday was priceless! How these two got him is a miracle, and gets me to thinking may be Koeman knows something we don't. A message to the board, you have now gone too far, and need to start thinking of the bigger damage you are inflicting to the fans and the club! You are humiliating this great club of ours and creating us as simply the laughing stock of footballing world! You must start today before its too late to put the pride back in Southampton FC and for the fans and tell us your intentions, game plan, ambitions, with a statement and actions that speak louder than words! As a Saint fan we are hurting and need to know why, and what you intend to do?[/p][/quote]Its no secret why Cortese left, he refused to be accountable to KL, the woman who owns the club. He thought Sfc was his and didnot want to answer to KL. Soon it will become clear that her intervention has saved the club not ruined it as you seem to think. Why dont you read the articles concerning the Saints debts during the Cortese tenure.[/p][/quote]Firstly I stated that no one really knows why! Not even you!! Second if you wish to believe rumours, then the rumour is that NC did not want KL in the Southampton FC boardroom! He flew out to answer to her and always had a lot of respect for her and her father. NC knew KL owned the club now, but just felt she did not need to be involved in the boardroom of the club. That just simply business Thirdly as for debts! What do you actually know? NC is one the highest bankers in the world, he knows how to mange debt! This he does without thinking! Its his profession! Fourthly if KL has come in to save the day as you claim we will all find out soon, and that means NC had to go, why did KL state she wanted to keep him, and if there is any truth to this statement, then NC could not of been that bad as you paint, can he? Lastly as a Saints fans I have read all the comments you suggest I should do! Though not once have I mentioned or knocked KL, so I find your comments strange! I have knocked the two people she has in charge! You should not believe all you read sir! As we are told, our players are not for sale. Our players are for Southampton FC! The best is "nothing change" Let me ask you something. When have you ever seen three Saints players playing for England, for the next moment they are all sold?! When have you ever seen three top players sold to one club?! When have you seen five of your best team players sold with a click of a finger?! Can you see this as the end of our player sale?! We are creating astounding history and being laughed at to boot?! Your happy with this?[/p][/quote]Blimey - you must be really unhappy that your parents ever met.[/p][/quote]Wow, what an angry man, calm down and tune into Talksport drivetime and listen to what Ralph Krugar has to say. Hopefully that will clear a few things up. This will hopefully stop people like you claiming to be the all knowledgable on all things Saints. bbb001
  • Score: -3

2:06pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Stnana says...

the cowman wrote:
BarnetSaint wrote:
In the cold light of day, our best hope is that she does sell the club, to someone with the passion, commitment and financial clout to realise the fantastic potential we have.
She is deconstructing all of the good work of her father and the sooner she leaves, taking the utter buffoons ( notably reed and the ice hockey bloke) mismanaging our affairs the better.
Our immediate goal are quality signings and to somehow survive this season , which is looking more unlikely by the day.
But we will bounce back.
Anyone who advocates new ownership had best be careful what they wish for. There is no guarantee that any new owner would have passion, commitment and financial clout. Ask Cardiff and Hull fans what they think of their owners.
Nicola had his wings clipped and did not like it so moved on. The chances of finding someone like Nicola who had their own money instead of someone else's is pretty slim.
I think it is far to early to judge what has happened at the club, the players want to leave in droves, I think partly because the dream they were sold is almost impossible to achieve with the Saints, but for most it has nothing to do with winning things its about bank balances. Everyone apart from Rickie has gone for cash. If Morgan and Jay go to Spurs it won't be to win things, because how many trophies have Spurs won in the last few years.
Agree with what you say but don't run away with the idea that Rickie was any different to the other money grabbers. His salary increased from £35,000 to £40,000 a week, a cool half a million over the course of a 2 year contract. As he has said ( Liverpool Echo )now he'll get to sit out some matchs as he found playing every week at Saints too much even for nearly £2million a year ! He may have said the right things when he left but he was no more loyal than the others .He forgot that , just the same as Lallana and Shaw , everything he has and is he owes to Southampton FC and it seems most on here have forgotten that too . Thanks Strassie for the translation.
[quote][p][bold]the cowman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarnetSaint[/bold] wrote: In the cold light of day, our best hope is that she does sell the club, to someone with the passion, commitment and financial clout to realise the fantastic potential we have. She is deconstructing all of the good work of her father and the sooner she leaves, taking the utter buffoons ( notably reed and the ice hockey bloke) mismanaging our affairs the better. Our immediate goal are quality signings and to somehow survive this season , which is looking more unlikely by the day. But we will bounce back.[/p][/quote]Anyone who advocates new ownership had best be careful what they wish for. There is no guarantee that any new owner would have passion, commitment and financial clout. Ask Cardiff and Hull fans what they think of their owners. Nicola had his wings clipped and did not like it so moved on. The chances of finding someone like Nicola who had their own money instead of someone else's is pretty slim. I think it is far to early to judge what has happened at the club, the players want to leave in droves, I think partly because the dream they were sold is almost impossible to achieve with the Saints, but for most it has nothing to do with winning things its about bank balances. Everyone apart from Rickie has gone for cash. If Morgan and Jay go to Spurs it won't be to win things, because how many trophies have Spurs won in the last few years.[/p][/quote]Agree with what you say but don't run away with the idea that Rickie was any different to the other money grabbers. His salary increased from £35,000 to £40,000 a week, a cool half a million over the course of a 2 year contract. As he has said ( Liverpool Echo )now he'll get to sit out some matchs as he found playing every week at Saints too much even for nearly £2million a year ! He may have said the right things when he left but he was no more loyal than the others .He forgot that , just the same as Lallana and Shaw , everything he has and is he owes to Southampton FC and it seems most on here have forgotten that too . Thanks Strassie for the translation. Stnana
  • Score: 6

2:08pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Saint. says...

Confucious wrote:
Saint. wrote:
bbb001 wrote:
Saint. wrote:
Enough now!

I have never hidden the fact that I believed we had the best chairman in NC, and we did! NC promised and delivered on those promises. He gave the club ambition to succeed and clearly believed there is no point being in this game if you do not aspire to be the best and to do this challenge the best on equal footing. He took the club from league one to eight in the prem, without really silly wages being paid!

Now we are here on the fresh hold of a hopefully propus new area to now see what?

Personally alarm bells rang when I read a quote from KL saying" she did not want NC to leave." But she obviously did not work too hard to keep him, and give him what he wanted to take this club forward, to succeed with the vision. That is all she really had to do to keep a man at the helm who was clearly delivering by a country mile! Yes we can all argue about what he actually wanted, doing, and way of doing, but not a single person on here knows! Only the board does and may be only NC and KL. But still so many opinions are formed from speculation and hear say!

We now have Les Reed who has never filled me with confidence anyway, simply lying to our faces! He has made big statements on the back of really not knowing the score, or being farmed out to appease the fans, as Ralph bombed. Quite simply a five year old would done better, as all he has done has said words the fans wanted to hear, even if they had no substance to them!

We now have Ralph Krueger who is suppose to be the big motivational speaker/communicator




! He comes out and says going forward they would find a way to communicate to the fan on a more frequent basis! If this current situation does warrant it, then I don't know what does! Yet we have not seen or herd a peep from him. RK also states that our players are for Southampton FC! He continues to say I've played hockey and got a scar on my chin, I can be tough when these club come knocking! See what you mean Ralph, real tough cookie!

Between these two they have taken Southampton FC and archived the following in a space of a short time.

They have lost the club kit supplier (don't believe all what they said, as it not that they would never lie to you)

They have taken a club sitting eight in the league with potential to archive more with additions (clearly now a concept wasted on them), and with many plaudits around the world and brought it down to date the laughing stock in football! We are the butt of many jokes, and oh how others are loving trying to put us in our so called place!

They say things like no need to sale and with in weeks of the World cup sale all three of OUR England players! Something to proud of!!

They go onto sell virtually the rest of the squad, with no signs given to the fans of an end for the rest of the squad. They single handily ripped the total team spirit out of the club by their actions! They are setting unprecedented player sales in numbers never seen before!! Yet they hide behind the fact of the sizeable undisclosed deal done for each!

The new phrase is for calm as our players continue to be sold, and they have the cheek to say well yes we want to keep our best players and look at Reed who signed a contract proves the point!! What Les has this proved? What does a contract mean, apart from a big sale fee?! The players YOU BOTH have sold all have long contracts, and playing for a club that players use to want to play for! Now LR and RK have created a open door for the players to talk to each other then pop their head in and say boss I want to leave, and you say no problem boy as we only need to hear "we don't want to be here" and we sell, as you know sunny we don't want long faces around here.

They have single handily changed the way the other clubs view us, and given them no need to look else where of further a field.

They continue show naivety dealing with players and agents! Instead they are being walked over oh so easily!!!

I can only hope Ronald Koeman knows what is round the corner, as he has been embarrassed now by having to say, ok three gone and now it has to stop here. For him to see further two go under his nose! We are indeed lucky to have RK and his tweet picture yesterday was priceless! How these two got him is a miracle, and gets me to thinking may be Koeman knows something we don't.

A message to the board, you have now gone too far, and need to start thinking of the bigger damage you are inflicting to the fans and the club! You are humiliating this great club of ours and creating us as simply the laughing stock of footballing world! You must start today before its too late to put the pride back in Southampton FC and for the fans and tell us your intentions, game plan, ambitions, with a statement and actions that speak louder than words! As a Saint fan we are hurting and need to know why, and what you intend to do?
Its no secret why Cortese left, he refused to be accountable to KL, the woman who owns the club. He thought Sfc was his and didnot want to answer to KL. Soon it will become clear that her intervention has saved the club not ruined it as you seem to think. Why dont you read the articles concerning the Saints debts during the Cortese tenure.
Firstly I stated that no one really knows why! Not even you!!

Second if you wish to believe rumours, then the rumour is that NC did not want KL in the Southampton FC boardroom! He flew out to answer to her and always had a lot of respect for her and her father. NC knew KL owned the club now, but just felt she did not need to be involved in the boardroom of the club. That just simply business

Thirdly as for debts! What do you actually know? NC is one the highest bankers in the world, he knows how to mange debt! This he does without thinking! Its his profession!

Fourthly if KL has come in to save the day as you claim we will all find out soon, and that means NC had to go, why did KL state she wanted to keep him, and if there is any truth to this statement, then NC could not of been that bad as you paint, can he?

Lastly as a Saints fans I have read all the comments you suggest I should do! Though not once have I mentioned or knocked KL, so I find your comments strange! I have knocked the two people she has in charge! You should not believe all you read sir! As we are told, our players are not for sale. Our players are for Southampton FC! The best is "nothing change"

Let me ask you something. When have you ever seen three Saints players playing for England, for the next moment they are all sold?! When have you ever seen three top players sold to one club?! When have you seen five of your best team players sold with a click of a finger?! Can you see this as the end of our player sale?! We are creating astounding history and being laughed at to boot?! Your happy with this?
Blimey - you must be really unhappy that your parents ever met.
Are you?
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: Enough now! I have never hidden the fact that I believed we had the best chairman in NC, and we did! NC promised and delivered on those promises. He gave the club ambition to succeed and clearly believed there is no point being in this game if you do not aspire to be the best and to do this challenge the best on equal footing. He took the club from league one to eight in the prem, without really silly wages being paid! Now we are here on the fresh hold of a hopefully propus new area to now see what? Personally alarm bells rang when I read a quote from KL saying" she did not want NC to leave." But she obviously did not work too hard to keep him, and give him what he wanted to take this club forward, to succeed with the vision. That is all she really had to do to keep a man at the helm who was clearly delivering by a country mile! Yes we can all argue about what he actually wanted, doing, and way of doing, but not a single person on here knows! Only the board does and may be only NC and KL. But still so many opinions are formed from speculation and hear say! We now have Les Reed who has never filled me with confidence anyway, simply lying to our faces! He has made big statements on the back of really not knowing the score, or being farmed out to appease the fans, as Ralph bombed. Quite simply a five year old would done better, as all he has done has said words the fans wanted to hear, even if they had no substance to them! We now have Ralph Krueger who is suppose to be the big motivational speaker/communicator ! He comes out and says going forward they would find a way to communicate to the fan on a more frequent basis! If this current situation does warrant it, then I don't know what does! Yet we have not seen or herd a peep from him. RK also states that our players are for Southampton FC! He continues to say I've played hockey and got a scar on my chin, I can be tough when these club come knocking! See what you mean Ralph, real tough cookie! Between these two they have taken Southampton FC and archived the following in a space of a short time. They have lost the club kit supplier (don't believe all what they said, as it not that they would never lie to you) They have taken a club sitting eight in the league with potential to archive more with additions (clearly now a concept wasted on them), and with many plaudits around the world and brought it down to date the laughing stock in football! We are the butt of many jokes, and oh how others are loving trying to put us in our so called place! They say things like no need to sale and with in weeks of the World cup sale all three of OUR England players! Something to proud of!! They go onto sell virtually the rest of the squad, with no signs given to the fans of an end for the rest of the squad. They single handily ripped the total team spirit out of the club by their actions! They are setting unprecedented player sales in numbers never seen before!! Yet they hide behind the fact of the sizeable undisclosed deal done for each! The new phrase is for calm as our players continue to be sold, and they have the cheek to say well yes we want to keep our best players and look at Reed who signed a contract proves the point!! What Les has this proved? What does a contract mean, apart from a big sale fee?! The players YOU BOTH have sold all have long contracts, and playing for a club that players use to want to play for! Now LR and RK have created a open door for the players to talk to each other then pop their head in and say boss I want to leave, and you say no problem boy as we only need to hear "we don't want to be here" and we sell, as you know sunny we don't want long faces around here. They have single handily changed the way the other clubs view us, and given them no need to look else where of further a field. They continue show naivety dealing with players and agents! Instead they are being walked over oh so easily!!! I can only hope Ronald Koeman knows what is round the corner, as he has been embarrassed now by having to say, ok three gone and now it has to stop here. For him to see further two go under his nose! We are indeed lucky to have RK and his tweet picture yesterday was priceless! How these two got him is a miracle, and gets me to thinking may be Koeman knows something we don't. A message to the board, you have now gone too far, and need to start thinking of the bigger damage you are inflicting to the fans and the club! You are humiliating this great club of ours and creating us as simply the laughing stock of footballing world! You must start today before its too late to put the pride back in Southampton FC and for the fans and tell us your intentions, game plan, ambitions, with a statement and actions that speak louder than words! As a Saint fan we are hurting and need to know why, and what you intend to do?[/p][/quote]Its no secret why Cortese left, he refused to be accountable to KL, the woman who owns the club. He thought Sfc was his and didnot want to answer to KL. Soon it will become clear that her intervention has saved the club not ruined it as you seem to think. Why dont you read the articles concerning the Saints debts during the Cortese tenure.[/p][/quote]Firstly I stated that no one really knows why! Not even you!! Second if you wish to believe rumours, then the rumour is that NC did not want KL in the Southampton FC boardroom! He flew out to answer to her and always had a lot of respect for her and her father. NC knew KL owned the club now, but just felt she did not need to be involved in the boardroom of the club. That just simply business Thirdly as for debts! What do you actually know? NC is one the highest bankers in the world, he knows how to mange debt! This he does without thinking! Its his profession! Fourthly if KL has come in to save the day as you claim we will all find out soon, and that means NC had to go, why did KL state she wanted to keep him, and if there is any truth to this statement, then NC could not of been that bad as you paint, can he? Lastly as a Saints fans I have read all the comments you suggest I should do! Though not once have I mentioned or knocked KL, so I find your comments strange! I have knocked the two people she has in charge! You should not believe all you read sir! As we are told, our players are not for sale. Our players are for Southampton FC! The best is "nothing change" Let me ask you something. When have you ever seen three Saints players playing for England, for the next moment they are all sold?! When have you ever seen three top players sold to one club?! When have you seen five of your best team players sold with a click of a finger?! Can you see this as the end of our player sale?! We are creating astounding history and being laughed at to boot?! Your happy with this?[/p][/quote]Blimey - you must be really unhappy that your parents ever met.[/p][/quote]Are you? Saint.
  • Score: 3

2:10pm Tue 29 Jul 14

montecristosaint says...

Ozmosis wrote:
You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective:

http://www.hat-trick

.fr/southampton-est-

en-vente/

As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved.
I have been telling fans that this was the likely scenario FOR MONTHS, and my view stems from my own experience of a business environment as well as academic qualifications. Liebherr has moved to flog all intangible assets prior to the sale of the club , as intangibles are difficult to negotiate or assess in terms of worth. I am expecting news within the next few weeks, and hopefully before the close of the transfer window. I happen to speak fluent french so Im checking the article this afternoon and if there is anything in it that you havent covered I will reveal it here. Lord, why am I not surprised. It follows that no players will be bought prior to the sale of the club, and you have to hope that some will have been earmarked by the the purchasers before they move in. I am hoping Cortese is involved. I really do!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective: http://www.hat-trick .fr/southampton-est- en-vente/ As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved.[/p][/quote]I have been telling fans that this was the likely scenario FOR MONTHS, and my view stems from my own experience of a business environment as well as academic qualifications. Liebherr has moved to flog all intangible assets prior to the sale of the club , as intangibles are difficult to negotiate or assess in terms of worth. I am expecting news within the next few weeks, and hopefully before the close of the transfer window. I happen to speak fluent french so Im checking the article this afternoon and if there is anything in it that you havent covered I will reveal it here. Lord, why am I not surprised. It follows that no players will be bought prior to the sale of the club, and you have to hope that some will have been earmarked by the the purchasers before they move in. I am hoping Cortese is involved. I really do!!!!! montecristosaint
  • Score: 0

2:14pm Tue 29 Jul 14

TGodSFC says...

TGodSFC wrote:
bbb001 wrote:
Ralph Krugar will be on Talksport drivetime tonight from 16.00
Sky Sports re claiming that Spider is currently having talks with Saints as i type about his future and there has been no comment on Jrod being sold. Jrods agents refuses to comment but says "Jay is jut concentrating on his recovery". Also Dani's move to Inter looks set to be a season long loan.
More breaking news (and probably the reason Kurger is gonna be on talksport) Sky Sports understand saints are set to confirm a Striker, Defener and Goalkeeper by the end of the week
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: Ralph Krugar will be on Talksport drivetime tonight from 16.00[/p][/quote]Sky Sports re claiming that Spider is currently having talks with Saints as i type about his future and there has been no comment on Jrod being sold. Jrods agents refuses to comment but says "Jay is jut concentrating on his recovery". Also Dani's move to Inter looks set to be a season long loan.[/p][/quote]More breaking news (and probably the reason Kurger is gonna be on talksport) Sky Sports understand saints are set to confirm a Striker, Defener and Goalkeeper by the end of the week TGodSFC
  • Score: 6

2:15pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Saint. says...

bbb001 wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Saint. wrote:
bbb001 wrote:
Saint. wrote:
Enough now!

I have never hidden the fact that I believed we had the best chairman in NC, and we did! NC promised and delivered on those promises. He gave the club ambition to succeed and clearly believed there is no point being in this game if you do not aspire to be the best and to do this challenge the best on equal footing. He took the club from league one to eight in the prem, without really silly wages being paid!

Now we are here on the fresh hold of a hopefully propus new area to now see what?

Personally alarm bells rang when I read a quote from KL saying" she did not want NC to leave." But she obviously did not work too hard to keep him, and give him what he wanted to take this club forward, to succeed with the vision. That is all she really had to do to keep a man at the helm who was clearly delivering by a country mile! Yes we can all argue about what he actually wanted, doing, and way of doing, but not a single person on here knows! Only the board does and may be only NC and KL. But still so many opinions are formed from speculation and hear say!

We now have Les Reed who has never filled me with confidence anyway, simply lying to our faces! He has made big statements on the back of really not knowing the score, or being farmed out to appease the fans, as Ralph bombed. Quite simply a five year old would done better, as all he has done has said words the fans wanted to hear, even if they had no substance to them!

We now have Ralph Krueger who is suppose to be the big motivational speaker/communicator





! He comes out and says going forward they would find a way to communicate to the fan on a more frequent basis! If this current situation does warrant it, then I don't know what does! Yet we have not seen or herd a peep from him. RK also states that our players are for Southampton FC! He continues to say I've played hockey and got a scar on my chin, I can be tough when these club come knocking! See what you mean Ralph, real tough cookie!

Between these two they have taken Southampton FC and archived the following in a space of a short time.

They have lost the club kit supplier (don't believe all what they said, as it not that they would never lie to you)

They have taken a club sitting eight in the league with potential to archive more with additions (clearly now a concept wasted on them), and with many plaudits around the world and brought it down to date the laughing stock in football! We are the butt of many jokes, and oh how others are loving trying to put us in our so called place!

They say things like no need to sale and with in weeks of the World cup sale all three of OUR England players! Something to proud of!!

They go onto sell virtually the rest of the squad, with no signs given to the fans of an end for the rest of the squad. They single handily ripped the total team spirit out of the club by their actions! They are setting unprecedented player sales in numbers never seen before!! Yet they hide behind the fact of the sizeable undisclosed deal done for each!

The new phrase is for calm as our players continue to be sold, and they have the cheek to say well yes we want to keep our best players and look at Reed who signed a contract proves the point!! What Les has this proved? What does a contract mean, apart from a big sale fee?! The players YOU BOTH have sold all have long contracts, and playing for a club that players use to want to play for! Now LR and RK have created a open door for the players to talk to each other then pop their head in and say boss I want to leave, and you say no problem boy as we only need to hear "we don't want to be here" and we sell, as you know sunny we don't want long faces around here.

They have single handily changed the way the other clubs view us, and given them no need to look else where of further a field.

They continue show naivety dealing with players and agents! Instead they are being walked over oh so easily!!!

I can only hope Ronald Koeman knows what is round the corner, as he has been embarrassed now by having to say, ok three gone and now it has to stop here. For him to see further two go under his nose! We are indeed lucky to have RK and his tweet picture yesterday was priceless! How these two got him is a miracle, and gets me to thinking may be Koeman knows something we don't.

A message to the board, you have now gone too far, and need to start thinking of the bigger damage you are inflicting to the fans and the club! You are humiliating this great club of ours and creating us as simply the laughing stock of footballing world! You must start today before its too late to put the pride back in Southampton FC and for the fans and tell us your intentions, game plan, ambitions, with a statement and actions that speak louder than words! As a Saint fan we are hurting and need to know why, and what you intend to do?
Its no secret why Cortese left, he refused to be accountable to KL, the woman who owns the club. He thought Sfc was his and didnot want to answer to KL. Soon it will become clear that her intervention has saved the club not ruined it as you seem to think. Why dont you read the articles concerning the Saints debts during the Cortese tenure.
Firstly I stated that no one really knows why! Not even you!!

Second if you wish to believe rumours, then the rumour is that NC did not want KL in the Southampton FC boardroom! He flew out to answer to her and always had a lot of respect for her and her father. NC knew KL owned the club now, but just felt she did not need to be involved in the boardroom of the club. That just simply business

Thirdly as for debts! What do you actually know? NC is one the highest bankers in the world, he knows how to mange debt! This he does without thinking! Its his profession!

Fourthly if KL has come in to save the day as you claim we will all find out soon, and that means NC had to go, why did KL state she wanted to keep him, and if there is any truth to this statement, then NC could not of been that bad as you paint, can he?

Lastly as a Saints fans I have read all the comments you suggest I should do! Though not once have I mentioned or knocked KL, so I find your comments strange! I have knocked the two people she has in charge! You should not believe all you read sir! As we are told, our players are not for sale. Our players are for Southampton FC! The best is "nothing change"

Let me ask you something. When have you ever seen three Saints players playing for England, for the next moment they are all sold?! When have you ever seen three top players sold to one club?! When have you seen five of your best team players sold with a click of a finger?! Can you see this as the end of our player sale?! We are creating astounding history and being laughed at to boot?! Your happy with this?
Blimey - you must be really unhappy that your parents ever met.
Wow, what an angry man, calm down and tune into Talksport drivetime and listen to what Ralph Krugar has to say. Hopefully that will clear a few things up. This will hopefully stop people like you claiming to be the all knowledgable on all things Saints.
Never claimed anything, and sounds like your just trying to be smart!

If you bothered to read, I just questioned and just wanted answer like many Saints fans, and its no less than we deserve.

The only thing I claimed to know is what LR and RK stated, about no need to sale, and nothing changed. Then half the team is gone, and may be more soon or may be you do not know this?
[quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: Enough now! I have never hidden the fact that I believed we had the best chairman in NC, and we did! NC promised and delivered on those promises. He gave the club ambition to succeed and clearly believed there is no point being in this game if you do not aspire to be the best and to do this challenge the best on equal footing. He took the club from league one to eight in the prem, without really silly wages being paid! Now we are here on the fresh hold of a hopefully propus new area to now see what? Personally alarm bells rang when I read a quote from KL saying" she did not want NC to leave." But she obviously did not work too hard to keep him, and give him what he wanted to take this club forward, to succeed with the vision. That is all she really had to do to keep a man at the helm who was clearly delivering by a country mile! Yes we can all argue about what he actually wanted, doing, and way of doing, but not a single person on here knows! Only the board does and may be only NC and KL. But still so many opinions are formed from speculation and hear say! We now have Les Reed who has never filled me with confidence anyway, simply lying to our faces! He has made big statements on the back of really not knowing the score, or being farmed out to appease the fans, as Ralph bombed. Quite simply a five year old would done better, as all he has done has said words the fans wanted to hear, even if they had no substance to them! We now have Ralph Krueger who is suppose to be the big motivational speaker/communicator ! He comes out and says going forward they would find a way to communicate to the fan on a more frequent basis! If this current situation does warrant it, then I don't know what does! Yet we have not seen or herd a peep from him. RK also states that our players are for Southampton FC! He continues to say I've played hockey and got a scar on my chin, I can be tough when these club come knocking! See what you mean Ralph, real tough cookie! Between these two they have taken Southampton FC and archived the following in a space of a short time. They have lost the club kit supplier (don't believe all what they said, as it not that they would never lie to you) They have taken a club sitting eight in the league with potential to archive more with additions (clearly now a concept wasted on them), and with many plaudits around the world and brought it down to date the laughing stock in football! We are the butt of many jokes, and oh how others are loving trying to put us in our so called place! They say things like no need to sale and with in weeks of the World cup sale all three of OUR England players! Something to proud of!! They go onto sell virtually the rest of the squad, with no signs given to the fans of an end for the rest of the squad. They single handily ripped the total team spirit out of the club by their actions! They are setting unprecedented player sales in numbers never seen before!! Yet they hide behind the fact of the sizeable undisclosed deal done for each! The new phrase is for calm as our players continue to be sold, and they have the cheek to say well yes we want to keep our best players and look at Reed who signed a contract proves the point!! What Les has this proved? What does a contract mean, apart from a big sale fee?! The players YOU BOTH have sold all have long contracts, and playing for a club that players use to want to play for! Now LR and RK have created a open door for the players to talk to each other then pop their head in and say boss I want to leave, and you say no problem boy as we only need to hear "we don't want to be here" and we sell, as you know sunny we don't want long faces around here. They have single handily changed the way the other clubs view us, and given them no need to look else where of further a field. They continue show naivety dealing with players and agents! Instead they are being walked over oh so easily!!! I can only hope Ronald Koeman knows what is round the corner, as he has been embarrassed now by having to say, ok three gone and now it has to stop here. For him to see further two go under his nose! We are indeed lucky to have RK and his tweet picture yesterday was priceless! How these two got him is a miracle, and gets me to thinking may be Koeman knows something we don't. A message to the board, you have now gone too far, and need to start thinking of the bigger damage you are inflicting to the fans and the club! You are humiliating this great club of ours and creating us as simply the laughing stock of footballing world! You must start today before its too late to put the pride back in Southampton FC and for the fans and tell us your intentions, game plan, ambitions, with a statement and actions that speak louder than words! As a Saint fan we are hurting and need to know why, and what you intend to do?[/p][/quote]Its no secret why Cortese left, he refused to be accountable to KL, the woman who owns the club. He thought Sfc was his and didnot want to answer to KL. Soon it will become clear that her intervention has saved the club not ruined it as you seem to think. Why dont you read the articles concerning the Saints debts during the Cortese tenure.[/p][/quote]Firstly I stated that no one really knows why! Not even you!! Second if you wish to believe rumours, then the rumour is that NC did not want KL in the Southampton FC boardroom! He flew out to answer to her and always had a lot of respect for her and her father. NC knew KL owned the club now, but just felt she did not need to be involved in the boardroom of the club. That just simply business Thirdly as for debts! What do you actually know? NC is one the highest bankers in the world, he knows how to mange debt! This he does without thinking! Its his profession! Fourthly if KL has come in to save the day as you claim we will all find out soon, and that means NC had to go, why did KL state she wanted to keep him, and if there is any truth to this statement, then NC could not of been that bad as you paint, can he? Lastly as a Saints fans I have read all the comments you suggest I should do! Though not once have I mentioned or knocked KL, so I find your comments strange! I have knocked the two people she has in charge! You should not believe all you read sir! As we are told, our players are not for sale. Our players are for Southampton FC! The best is "nothing change" Let me ask you something. When have you ever seen three Saints players playing for England, for the next moment they are all sold?! When have you ever seen three top players sold to one club?! When have you seen five of your best team players sold with a click of a finger?! Can you see this as the end of our player sale?! We are creating astounding history and being laughed at to boot?! Your happy with this?[/p][/quote]Blimey - you must be really unhappy that your parents ever met.[/p][/quote]Wow, what an angry man, calm down and tune into Talksport drivetime and listen to what Ralph Krugar has to say. Hopefully that will clear a few things up. This will hopefully stop people like you claiming to be the all knowledgable on all things Saints.[/p][/quote]Never claimed anything, and sounds like your just trying to be smart! If you bothered to read, I just questioned and just wanted answer like many Saints fans, and its no less than we deserve. The only thing I claimed to know is what LR and RK stated, about no need to sale, and nothing changed. Then half the team is gone, and may be more soon or may be you do not know this? Saint.
  • Score: 4

2:18pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Numpty Girl says...

If Liebherr were looking for a purchaser, who would you like it to be?
If Liebherr were looking for a purchaser, who would you like it to be? Numpty Girl
  • Score: -3

2:25pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Mosin85 says...

Saint. wrote:
bbb001 wrote:
Saint. wrote:
Enough now!

I have never hidden the fact that I believed we had the best chairman in NC, and we did! NC promised and delivered on those promises. He gave the club ambition to succeed and clearly believed there is no point being in this game if you do not aspire to be the best and to do this challenge the best on equal footing. He took the club from league one to eight in the prem, without really silly wages being paid!

Now we are here on the fresh hold of a hopefully propus new area to now see what?

Personally alarm bells rang when I read a quote from KL saying" she did not want NC to leave." But she obviously did not work too hard to keep him, and give him what he wanted to take this club forward, to succeed with the vision. That is all she really had to do to keep a man at the helm who was clearly delivering by a country mile! Yes we can all argue about what he actually wanted, doing, and way of doing, but not a single person on here knows! Only the board does and may be only NC and KL. But still so many opinions are formed from speculation and hear say!

We now have Les Reed who has never filled me with confidence anyway, simply lying to our faces! He has made big statements on the back of really not knowing the score, or being farmed out to appease the fans, as Ralph bombed. Quite simply a five year old would done better, as all he has done has said words the fans wanted to hear, even if they had no substance to them!

We now have Ralph Krueger who is suppose to be the big motivational speaker/communicator



! He comes out and says going forward they would find a way to communicate to the fan on a more frequent basis! If this current situation does warrant it, then I don't know what does! Yet we have not seen or herd a peep from him. RK also states that our players are for Southampton FC! He continues to say I've played hockey and got a scar on my chin, I can be tough when these club come knocking! See what you mean Ralph, real tough cookie!

Between these two they have taken Southampton FC and archived the following in a space of a short time.

They have lost the club kit supplier (don't believe all what they said, as it not that they would never lie to you)

They have taken a club sitting eight in the league with potential to archive more with additions (clearly now a concept wasted on them), and with many plaudits around the world and brought it down to date the laughing stock in football! We are the butt of many jokes, and oh how others are loving trying to put us in our so called place!

They say things like no need to sale and with in weeks of the World cup sale all three of OUR England players! Something to proud of!!

They go onto sell virtually the rest of the squad, with no signs given to the fans of an end for the rest of the squad. They single handily ripped the total team spirit out of the club by their actions! They are setting unprecedented player sales in numbers never seen before!! Yet they hide behind the fact of the sizeable undisclosed deal done for each!

The new phrase is for calm as our players continue to be sold, and they have the cheek to say well yes we want to keep our best players and look at Reed who signed a contract proves the point!! What Les has this proved? What does a contract mean, apart from a big sale fee?! The players YOU BOTH have sold all have long contracts, and playing for a club that players use to want to play for! Now LR and RK have created a open door for the players to talk to each other then pop their head in and say boss I want to leave, and you say no problem boy as we only need to hear "we don't want to be here" and we sell, as you know sunny we don't want long faces around here.

They have single handily changed the way the other clubs view us, and given them no need to look else where of further a field.

They continue show naivety dealing with players and agents! Instead they are being walked over oh so easily!!!

I can only hope Ronald Koeman knows what is round the corner, as he has been embarrassed now by having to say, ok three gone and now it has to stop here. For him to see further two go under his nose! We are indeed lucky to have RK and his tweet picture yesterday was priceless! How these two got him is a miracle, and gets me to thinking may be Koeman knows something we don't.

A message to the board, you have now gone too far, and need to start thinking of the bigger damage you are inflicting to the fans and the club! You are humiliating this great club of ours and creating us as simply the laughing stock of footballing world! You must start today before its too late to put the pride back in Southampton FC and for the fans and tell us your intentions, game plan, ambitions, with a statement and actions that speak louder than words! As a Saint fan we are hurting and need to know why, and what you intend to do?
Its no secret why Cortese left, he refused to be accountable to KL, the woman who owns the club. He thought Sfc was his and didnot want to answer to KL. Soon it will become clear that her intervention has saved the club not ruined it as you seem to think. Why dont you read the articles concerning the Saints debts during the Cortese tenure.
Firstly I stated that no one really knows why! Not even you!!

Second if you wish to believe rumours, then the rumour is that NC did not want KL in the Southampton FC boardroom! He flew out to answer to her and always had a lot of respect for her and her father. NC knew KL owned the club now, but just felt she did not need to be involved in the boardroom of the club. That just simply business

Thirdly as for debts! What do you actually know? NC is one the highest bankers in the world, he knows how to mange debt! This he does without thinking! Its his profession!

Fourthly if KL has come in to save the day as you claim we will all find out soon, and that means NC had to go, why did KL state she wanted to keep him, and if there is any truth to this statement, then NC could not of been that bad as you paint, can he?

Lastly as a Saints fans I have read all the comments you suggest I should do! Though not once have I mentioned or knocked KL, so I find your comments strange! I have knocked the two people she has in charge! You should not believe all you read sir! As we are told, our players are not for sale. Our players are for Southampton FC! The best is "nothing change"

Let me ask you something. When have you ever seen three Saints players playing for England, for the next moment they are all sold?! When have you ever seen three top players sold to one club?! When have you seen five of your best team players sold with a click of a finger?! Can you see this as the end of our player sale?! We are creating astounding history and being laughed at to boot?! Your happy with this?
Saint typed .....

"Thirdly as for debts! What do you actually know? NC is one the highest bankers in the world, he knows how to mange debt! This he does without thinking! Its his profession! " ....................
...

Tell me how many banks are currently not responsible for the current problems in the economic problems of the world? all of them? yeah pretty sure it is as TAX PAYERS ARE BAILING THEM OUT......... ok point proven i think.

Nothing NC did cant be done by any one else that is spending some one else's money.. facts are he got Saints back into debt. he messed up sponsorship deals with a big brand, he messed up with building the academy, he then runs off even though KL had asked him to stay . to me that shows more of a man who is running away cause he knows he seriously screwed up.

If all the players leave so god dam what, i SUPPORT Southampton FC not Lovren or Lallana or shaw or chambers, i support the football club, i will support every player that wears the Saints crest. if your that upset about losing them players go SUPPORT Liverpool, go lick Lallanas bum hole and ask him why he really moved from saints, bet his honest reply would be the 5 times more wages i earn a week..
[quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: Enough now! I have never hidden the fact that I believed we had the best chairman in NC, and we did! NC promised and delivered on those promises. He gave the club ambition to succeed and clearly believed there is no point being in this game if you do not aspire to be the best and to do this challenge the best on equal footing. He took the club from league one to eight in the prem, without really silly wages being paid! Now we are here on the fresh hold of a hopefully propus new area to now see what? Personally alarm bells rang when I read a quote from KL saying" she did not want NC to leave." But she obviously did not work too hard to keep him, and give him what he wanted to take this club forward, to succeed with the vision. That is all she really had to do to keep a man at the helm who was clearly delivering by a country mile! Yes we can all argue about what he actually wanted, doing, and way of doing, but not a single person on here knows! Only the board does and may be only NC and KL. But still so many opinions are formed from speculation and hear say! We now have Les Reed who has never filled me with confidence anyway, simply lying to our faces! He has made big statements on the back of really not knowing the score, or being farmed out to appease the fans, as Ralph bombed. Quite simply a five year old would done better, as all he has done has said words the fans wanted to hear, even if they had no substance to them! We now have Ralph Krueger who is suppose to be the big motivational speaker/communicator ! He comes out and says going forward they would find a way to communicate to the fan on a more frequent basis! If this current situation does warrant it, then I don't know what does! Yet we have not seen or herd a peep from him. RK also states that our players are for Southampton FC! He continues to say I've played hockey and got a scar on my chin, I can be tough when these club come knocking! See what you mean Ralph, real tough cookie! Between these two they have taken Southampton FC and archived the following in a space of a short time. They have lost the club kit supplier (don't believe all what they said, as it not that they would never lie to you) They have taken a club sitting eight in the league with potential to archive more with additions (clearly now a concept wasted on them), and with many plaudits around the world and brought it down to date the laughing stock in football! We are the butt of many jokes, and oh how others are loving trying to put us in our so called place! They say things like no need to sale and with in weeks of the World cup sale all three of OUR England players! Something to proud of!! They go onto sell virtually the rest of the squad, with no signs given to the fans of an end for the rest of the squad. They single handily ripped the total team spirit out of the club by their actions! They are setting unprecedented player sales in numbers never seen before!! Yet they hide behind the fact of the sizeable undisclosed deal done for each! The new phrase is for calm as our players continue to be sold, and they have the cheek to say well yes we want to keep our best players and look at Reed who signed a contract proves the point!! What Les has this proved? What does a contract mean, apart from a big sale fee?! The players YOU BOTH have sold all have long contracts, and playing for a club that players use to want to play for! Now LR and RK have created a open door for the players to talk to each other then pop their head in and say boss I want to leave, and you say no problem boy as we only need to hear "we don't want to be here" and we sell, as you know sunny we don't want long faces around here. They have single handily changed the way the other clubs view us, and given them no need to look else where of further a field. They continue show naivety dealing with players and agents! Instead they are being walked over oh so easily!!! I can only hope Ronald Koeman knows what is round the corner, as he has been embarrassed now by having to say, ok three gone and now it has to stop here. For him to see further two go under his nose! We are indeed lucky to have RK and his tweet picture yesterday was priceless! How these two got him is a miracle, and gets me to thinking may be Koeman knows something we don't. A message to the board, you have now gone too far, and need to start thinking of the bigger damage you are inflicting to the fans and the club! You are humiliating this great club of ours and creating us as simply the laughing stock of footballing world! You must start today before its too late to put the pride back in Southampton FC and for the fans and tell us your intentions, game plan, ambitions, with a statement and actions that speak louder than words! As a Saint fan we are hurting and need to know why, and what you intend to do?[/p][/quote]Its no secret why Cortese left, he refused to be accountable to KL, the woman who owns the club. He thought Sfc was his and didnot want to answer to KL. Soon it will become clear that her intervention has saved the club not ruined it as you seem to think. Why dont you read the articles concerning the Saints debts during the Cortese tenure.[/p][/quote]Firstly I stated that no one really knows why! Not even you!! Second if you wish to believe rumours, then the rumour is that NC did not want KL in the Southampton FC boardroom! He flew out to answer to her and always had a lot of respect for her and her father. NC knew KL owned the club now, but just felt she did not need to be involved in the boardroom of the club. That just simply business Thirdly as for debts! What do you actually know? NC is one the highest bankers in the world, he knows how to mange debt! This he does without thinking! Its his profession! Fourthly if KL has come in to save the day as you claim we will all find out soon, and that means NC had to go, why did KL state she wanted to keep him, and if there is any truth to this statement, then NC could not of been that bad as you paint, can he? Lastly as a Saints fans I have read all the comments you suggest I should do! Though not once have I mentioned or knocked KL, so I find your comments strange! I have knocked the two people she has in charge! You should not believe all you read sir! As we are told, our players are not for sale. Our players are for Southampton FC! The best is "nothing change" Let me ask you something. When have you ever seen three Saints players playing for England, for the next moment they are all sold?! When have you ever seen three top players sold to one club?! When have you seen five of your best team players sold with a click of a finger?! Can you see this as the end of our player sale?! We are creating astounding history and being laughed at to boot?! Your happy with this?[/p][/quote]Saint typed ..... "Thirdly as for debts! What do you actually know? NC is one the highest bankers in the world, he knows how to mange debt! This he does without thinking! Its his profession! " .................... ... Tell me how many banks are currently not responsible for the current problems in the economic problems of the world? all of them? yeah pretty sure it is as TAX PAYERS ARE BAILING THEM OUT......... ok point proven i think. Nothing NC did cant be done by any one else that is spending some one else's money.. facts are he got Saints back into debt. he messed up sponsorship deals with a big brand, he messed up with building the academy, he then runs off even though KL had asked him to stay . to me that shows more of a man who is running away cause he knows he seriously screwed up. If all the players leave so god dam what, i SUPPORT Southampton FC not Lovren or Lallana or shaw or chambers, i support the football club, i will support every player that wears the Saints crest. if your that upset about losing them players go SUPPORT Liverpool, go lick Lallanas bum hole and ask him why he really moved from saints, bet his honest reply would be the 5 times more wages i earn a week.. Mosin85
  • Score: 1

2:28pm Tue 29 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

Ok, ypu are selling a car do you inform the buyer you have a 'awkward financial situation'.

pretend the company you work for you own as an emotionl shareholder…

One of your work force threatens to go on strike unless you give in to them
'do you agree or say they have a contract and you will hold them to it in court if necessary'

You are told that all proceeds of asset sales will be pumped back into the business.

You are told no one will leave the company unless you want them to, half the quality workforce go-

Your remaining workforce will not sign contracts..

At what point do the believers finally 'get it'..this is aGordon Gekko asset strip situation ..wake up and start rebelling.
Ok, ypu are selling a car do you inform the buyer you have a 'awkward financial situation'. pretend the company you work for you own as an emotionl shareholder… One of your work force threatens to go on strike unless you give in to them 'do you agree or say they have a contract and you will hold them to it in court if necessary' You are told that all proceeds of asset sales will be pumped back into the business. You are told no one will leave the company unless you want them to, half the quality workforce go- Your remaining workforce will not sign contracts.. At what point do the believers finally 'get it'..this is aGordon Gekko asset strip situation ..wake up and start rebelling. warrens 76
  • Score: 1

2:35pm Tue 29 Jul 14

bobby the crane says...

I am not going to say I told you so l ''BUTT'' I posted here several months ago that Katarina & co would strip the assets & sell the club, it is now very clear that this is certainly going to happen, all the **** I have read from a great deal of you guys telling everyone she was the Savior of the club, must now be a load of lies & crap, I sympathize with all you people who must now face up to the fact that the club will fall in to unknown hands, & could be the demise of our beloved SFC
I am not going to say I told you so l ''BUTT'' I posted here several months ago that Katarina & co would strip the assets & sell the club, it is now very clear that this is certainly going to happen, all the **** I have read from a great deal of you guys telling everyone she was the Savior of the club, must now be a load of lies & crap, I sympathize with all you people who must now face up to the fact that the club will fall in to unknown hands, & could be the demise of our beloved SFC bobby the crane
  • Score: -3

2:44pm Tue 29 Jul 14

SaintAsh1964 says...

*** RALPH KRUEGER IS ON TALKSPORT AT 4PM ***
I suggest you bombard Talksport now demanding that they ask the questions that ALL Saints fans want to know, this will be the 1st live on air Communication from a Southampton FC Director/CEO since this disgraceful episode began some 4 weeks ago.
Be it good news or bad WE DESERVE to know what is happening to our Club.
COYS
*** RALPH KRUEGER IS ON TALKSPORT AT 4PM *** I suggest you bombard Talksport now demanding that they ask the questions that ALL Saints fans want to know, this will be the 1st live on air Communication from a Southampton FC Director/CEO since this disgraceful episode began some 4 weeks ago. Be it good news or bad WE DESERVE to know what is happening to our Club. COYS SaintAsh1964
  • Score: 2

2:46pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Muttdogg says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
If Liebherr were looking for a purchaser, who would you like it to be?
Vincent Tan. Proven experience in the Premiership...
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: If Liebherr were looking for a purchaser, who would you like it to be?[/p][/quote]Vincent Tan. Proven experience in the Premiership... Muttdogg
  • Score: 3

2:53pm Tue 29 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Ozmosis wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Ozmosis wrote:
You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective:

http://www.hat-trick



.fr/southampton-est-



en-vente/

As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved.
I'd like to read that article Ozmosis - Is there an English language version of it avail on their site (or elsewhere) Thanks
I used Google Translate - it's not brilliant but you get the jist. Wht your post is downvoted is quite beyond me!
Thanks.
[quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: You need to read this article Simon - puts the player sales in perspective: http://www.hat-trick .fr/southampton-est- en-vente/ As suspected the club is for sale, and Katarina wants to gain as much money back from player sales, leaving the infrastructure in one piece. I would imagine that Koeman knows this is the score, and knew from the outset. He will have a new owner to supply funds and he can mould a team from scratch. I would also think that Koeman knows who the new buyer is, and I'd put money that Cortese is involved.[/p][/quote]I'd like to read that article Ozmosis - Is there an English language version of it avail on their site (or elsewhere) Thanks[/p][/quote]I used Google Translate - it's not brilliant but you get the jist. Wht your post is downvoted is quite beyond me![/p][/quote]Thanks. jls217
  • Score: 1

2:54pm Tue 29 Jul 14

notaclue says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
*** RALPH KRUEGER IS ON TALKSPORT AT 4PM ***
I suggest you bombard Talksport now demanding that they ask the questions that ALL Saints fans want to know, this will be the 1st live on air Communication from a Southampton FC Director/CEO since this disgraceful episode began some 4 weeks ago.
Be it good news or bad WE DESERVE to know what is happening to our Club.
COYS
He is going to say this is what can happen when you build a team around one man - in this case Nicola Cortese,

Ralph is just a politician so he will blame it on the previous bloke.
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: *** RALPH KRUEGER IS ON TALKSPORT AT 4PM *** I suggest you bombard Talksport now demanding that they ask the questions that ALL Saints fans want to know, this will be the 1st live on air Communication from a Southampton FC Director/CEO since this disgraceful episode began some 4 weeks ago. Be it good news or bad WE DESERVE to know what is happening to our Club. COYS[/p][/quote]He is going to say this is what can happen when you build a team around one man - in this case Nicola Cortese, Ralph is just a politician so he will blame it on the previous bloke. notaclue
  • Score: -2

2:57pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Saint. says...

Mosin85 wrote:
Saint. wrote:
bbb001 wrote:
Saint. wrote:
Enough now!

I have never hidden the fact that I believed we had the best chairman in NC, and we did! NC promised and delivered on those promises. He gave the club ambition to succeed and clearly believed there is no point being in this game if you do not aspire to be the best and to do this challenge the best on equal footing. He took the club from league one to eight in the prem, without really silly wages being paid!

Now we are here on the fresh hold of a hopefully propus new area to now see what?

Personally alarm bells rang when I read a quote from KL saying" she did not want NC to leave." But she obviously did not work too hard to keep him, and give him what he wanted to take this club forward, to succeed with the vision. That is all she really had to do to keep a man at the helm who was clearly delivering by a country mile! Yes we can all argue about what he actually wanted, doing, and way of doing, but not a single person on here knows! Only the board does and may be only NC and KL. But still so many opinions are formed from speculation and hear say!

We now have Les Reed who has never filled me with confidence anyway, simply lying to our faces! He has made big statements on the back of really not knowing the score, or being farmed out to appease the fans, as Ralph bombed. Quite simply a five year old would done better, as all he has done has said words the fans wanted to hear, even if they had no substance to them!

We now have Ralph Krueger who is suppose to be the big motivational speaker/communicator




! He comes out and says going forward they would find a way to communicate to the fan on a more frequent basis! If this current situation does warrant it, then I don't know what does! Yet we have not seen or herd a peep from him. RK also states that our players are for Southampton FC! He continues to say I've played hockey and got a scar on my chin, I can be tough when these club come knocking! See what you mean Ralph, real tough cookie!

Between these two they have taken Southampton FC and archived the following in a space of a short time.

They have lost the club kit supplier (don't believe all what they said, as it not that they would never lie to you)

They have taken a club sitting eight in the league with potential to archive more with additions (clearly now a concept wasted on them), and with many plaudits around the world and brought it down to date the laughing stock in football! We are the butt of many jokes, and oh how others are loving trying to put us in our so called place!

They say things like no need to sale and with in weeks of the World cup sale all three of OUR England players! Something to proud of!!

They go onto sell virtually the rest of the squad, with no signs given to the fans of an end for the rest of the squad. They single handily ripped the total team spirit out of the club by their actions! They are setting unprecedented player sales in numbers never seen before!! Yet they hide behind the fact of the sizeable undisclosed deal done for each!

The new phrase is for calm as our players continue to be sold, and they have the cheek to say well yes we want to keep our best players and look at Reed who signed a contract proves the point!! What Les has this proved? What does a contract mean, apart from a big sale fee?! The players YOU BOTH have sold all have long contracts, and playing for a club that players use to want to play for! Now LR and RK have created a open door for the players to talk to each other then pop their head in and say boss I want to leave, and you say no problem boy as we only need to hear "we don't want to be here" and we sell, as you know sunny we don't want long faces around here.

They have single handily changed the way the other clubs view us, and given them no need to look else where of further a field.

They continue show naivety dealing with players and agents! Instead they are being walked over oh so easily!!!

I can only hope Ronald Koeman knows what is round the corner, as he has been embarrassed now by having to say, ok three gone and now it has to stop here. For him to see further two go under his nose! We are indeed lucky to have RK and his tweet picture yesterday was priceless! How these two got him is a miracle, and gets me to thinking may be Koeman knows something we don't.

A message to the board, you have now gone too far, and need to start thinking of the bigger damage you are inflicting to the fans and the club! You are humiliating this great club of ours and creating us as simply the laughing stock of footballing world! You must start today before its too late to put the pride back in Southampton FC and for the fans and tell us your intentions, game plan, ambitions, with a statement and actions that speak louder than words! As a Saint fan we are hurting and need to know why, and what you intend to do?
Its no secret why Cortese left, he refused to be accountable to KL, the woman who owns the club. He thought Sfc was his and didnot want to answer to KL. Soon it will become clear that her intervention has saved the club not ruined it as you seem to think. Why dont you read the articles concerning the Saints debts during the Cortese tenure.
Firstly I stated that no one really knows why! Not even you!!

Second if you wish to believe rumours, then the rumour is that NC did not want KL in the Southampton FC boardroom! He flew out to answer to her and always had a lot of respect for her and her father. NC knew KL owned the club now, but just felt she did not need to be involved in the boardroom of the club. That just simply business

Thirdly as for debts! What do you actually know? NC is one the highest bankers in the world, he knows how to mange debt! This he does without thinking! Its his profession!

Fourthly if KL has come in to save the day as you claim we will all find out soon, and that means NC had to go, why did KL state she wanted to keep him, and if there is any truth to this statement, then NC could not of been that bad as you paint, can he?

Lastly as a Saints fans I have read all the comments you suggest I should do! Though not once have I mentioned or knocked KL, so I find your comments strange! I have knocked the two people she has in charge! You should not believe all you read sir! As we are told, our players are not for sale. Our players are for Southampton FC! The best is "nothing change"

Let me ask you something. When have you ever seen three Saints players playing for England, for the next moment they are all sold?! When have you ever seen three top players sold to one club?! When have you seen five of your best team players sold with a click of a finger?! Can you see this as the end of our player sale?! We are creating astounding history and being laughed at to boot?! Your happy with this?
Saint typed .....

"Thirdly as for debts! What do you actually know? NC is one the highest bankers in the world, he knows how to mange debt! This he does without thinking! Its his profession! " ....................

...

Tell me how many banks are currently not responsible for the current problems in the economic problems of the world? all of them? yeah pretty sure it is as TAX PAYERS ARE BAILING THEM OUT......... ok point proven i think.

Nothing NC did cant be done by any one else that is spending some one else's money.. facts are he got Saints back into debt. he messed up sponsorship deals with a big brand, he messed up with building the academy, he then runs off even though KL had asked him to stay . to me that shows more of a man who is running away cause he knows he seriously screwed up.

If all the players leave so god dam what, i SUPPORT Southampton FC not Lovren or Lallana or shaw or chambers, i support the football club, i will support every player that wears the Saints crest. if your that upset about losing them players go SUPPORT Liverpool, go lick Lallanas bum hole and ask him why he really moved from saints, bet his honest reply would be the 5 times more wages i earn a week..
Point about bakers can be made this way, but you cover NC in a sweeping statement. Also please remember he was Swiss banker, not sure the same applies here! Also NC dealt in big accounts/debts in Switzerland. Let not forget Markus trusted the man, and put him in charge. Between them they saved the club, and clubs from time to time have to manage debts. Point made as you say.

As to what he messed up and to what extent is not facts and we may never know. But it so easy to jump on things to suit your beliefs/need for answers.

As for running off. Who said he did. All are in titled to our own theory here, but I think he left out of principal. If KL insisted to be on the board which is her right and he felt otherwise, he would have to either step down on his principles or back them. The fact that he backed them, show strength of character, but throw that at him if you must. But he was taking Southampton FC places and may be he was brave enough to take the gamble/leap of faith many would not to archive this! May be he wanted Saints to win this league, no matter how others feel absurd! (Man city fans anyone?) He just wanted to do it without massive wages, and he lead the way in many aspects. If we archive these goals no matter what any may believe, the money would pour in!

Lastly I will like you support Saints and who ever wear the shirt and what ever division we may end up in. But this is exactly what the board is banking on "your loyalty" !

The only difference between me and you, is that I still aspire to see Southampton FC win this league in my life time and more. Eight last year, with what we have left and what we might end up with where are we likely to finish. If we kept our players and gave them a reason to stay through may be ambition and added a few new players, what might we archived, or is this not what a Saints fan deserves or have no right to expect? Its got nothing to do with arse licking players, just unlike you I want to see our team do more than just survive!
[quote][p][bold]Mosin85[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: Enough now! I have never hidden the fact that I believed we had the best chairman in NC, and we did! NC promised and delivered on those promises. He gave the club ambition to succeed and clearly believed there is no point being in this game if you do not aspire to be the best and to do this challenge the best on equal footing. He took the club from league one to eight in the prem, without really silly wages being paid! Now we are here on the fresh hold of a hopefully propus new area to now see what? Personally alarm bells rang when I read a quote from KL saying" she did not want NC to leave." But she obviously did not work too hard to keep him, and give him what he wanted to take this club forward, to succeed with the vision. That is all she really had to do to keep a man at the helm who was clearly delivering by a country mile! Yes we can all argue about what he actually wanted, doing, and way of doing, but not a single person on here knows! Only the board does and may be only NC and KL. But still so many opinions are formed from speculation and hear say! We now have Les Reed who has never filled me with confidence anyway, simply lying to our faces! He has made big statements on the back of really not knowing the score, or being farmed out to appease the fans, as Ralph bombed. Quite simply a five year old would done better, as all he has done has said words the fans wanted to hear, even if they had no substance to them! We now have Ralph Krueger who is suppose to be the big motivational speaker/communicator ! He comes out and says going forward they would find a way to communicate to the fan on a more frequent basis! If this current situation does warrant it, then I don't know what does! Yet we have not seen or herd a peep from him. RK also states that our players are for Southampton FC! He continues to say I've played hockey and got a scar on my chin, I can be tough when these club come knocking! See what you mean Ralph, real tough cookie! Between these two they have taken Southampton FC and archived the following in a space of a short time. They have lost the club kit supplier (don't believe all what they said, as it not that they would never lie to you) They have taken a club sitting eight in the league with potential to archive more with additions (clearly now a concept wasted on them), and with many plaudits around the world and brought it down to date the laughing stock in football! We are the butt of many jokes, and oh how others are loving trying to put us in our so called place! They say things like no need to sale and with in weeks of the World cup sale all three of OUR England players! Something to proud of!! They go onto sell virtually the rest of the squad, with no signs given to the fans of an end for the rest of the squad. They single handily ripped the total team spirit out of the club by their actions! They are setting unprecedented player sales in numbers never seen before!! Yet they hide behind the fact of the sizeable undisclosed deal done for each! The new phrase is for calm as our players continue to be sold, and they have the cheek to say well yes we want to keep our best players and look at Reed who signed a contract proves the point!! What Les has this proved? What does a contract mean, apart from a big sale fee?! The players YOU BOTH have sold all have long contracts, and playing for a club that players use to want to play for! Now LR and RK have created a open door for the players to talk to each other then pop their head in and say boss I want to leave, and you say no problem boy as we only need to hear "we don't want to be here" and we sell, as you know sunny we don't want long faces around here. They have single handily changed the way the other clubs view us, and given them no need to look else where of further a field. They continue show naivety dealing with players and agents! Instead they are being walked over oh so easily!!! I can only hope Ronald Koeman knows what is round the corner, as he has been embarrassed now by having to say, ok three gone and now it has to stop here. For him to see further two go under his nose! We are indeed lucky to have RK and his tweet picture yesterday was priceless! How these two got him is a miracle, and gets me to thinking may be Koeman knows something we don't. A message to the board, you have now gone too far, and need to start thinking of the bigger damage you are inflicting to the fans and the club! You are humiliating this great club of ours and creating us as simply the laughing stock of footballing world! You must start today before its too late to put the pride back in Southampton FC and for the fans and tell us your intentions, game plan, ambitions, with a statement and actions that speak louder than words! As a Saint fan we are hurting and need to know why, and what you intend to do?[/p][/quote]Its no secret why Cortese left, he refused to be accountable to KL, the woman who owns the club. He thought Sfc was his and didnot want to answer to KL. Soon it will become clear that her intervention has saved the club not ruined it as you seem to think. Why dont you read the articles concerning the Saints debts during the Cortese tenure.[/p][/quote]Firstly I stated that no one really knows why! Not even you!! Second if you wish to believe rumours, then the rumour is that NC did not want KL in the Southampton FC boardroom! He flew out to answer to her and always had a lot of respect for her and her father. NC knew KL owned the club now, but just felt she did not need to be involved in the boardroom of the club. That just simply business Thirdly as for debts! What do you actually know? NC is one the highest bankers in the world, he knows how to mange debt! This he does without thinking! Its his profession! Fourthly if KL has come in to save the day as you claim we will all find out soon, and that means NC had to go, why did KL state she wanted to keep him, and if there is any truth to this statement, then NC could not of been that bad as you paint, can he? Lastly as a Saints fans I have read all the comments you suggest I should do! Though not once have I mentioned or knocked KL, so I find your comments strange! I have knocked the two people she has in charge! You should not believe all you read sir! As we are told, our players are not for sale. Our players are for Southampton FC! The best is "nothing change" Let me ask you something. When have you ever seen three Saints players playing for England, for the next moment they are all sold?! When have you ever seen three top players sold to one club?! When have you seen five of your best team players sold with a click of a finger?! Can you see this as the end of our player sale?! We are creating astounding history and being laughed at to boot?! Your happy with this?[/p][/quote]Saint typed ..... "Thirdly as for debts! What do you actually know? NC is one the highest bankers in the world, he knows how to mange debt! This he does without thinking! Its his profession! " .................... ... Tell me how many banks are currently not responsible for the current problems in the economic problems of the world? all of them? yeah pretty sure it is as TAX PAYERS ARE BAILING THEM OUT......... ok point proven i think. Nothing NC did cant be done by any one else that is spending some one else's money.. facts are he got Saints back into debt. he messed up sponsorship deals with a big brand, he messed up with building the academy, he then runs off even though KL had asked him to stay . to me that shows more of a man who is running away cause he knows he seriously screwed up. If all the players leave so god dam what, i SUPPORT Southampton FC not Lovren or Lallana or shaw or chambers, i support the football club, i will support every player that wears the Saints crest. if your that upset about losing them players go SUPPORT Liverpool, go lick Lallanas bum hole and ask him why he really moved from saints, bet his honest reply would be the 5 times more wages i earn a week..[/p][/quote]Point about bakers can be made this way, but you cover NC in a sweeping statement. Also please remember he was Swiss banker, not sure the same applies here! Also NC dealt in big accounts/debts in Switzerland. Let not forget Markus trusted the man, and put him in charge. Between them they saved the club, and clubs from time to time have to manage debts. Point made as you say. As to what he messed up and to what extent is not facts and we may never know. But it so easy to jump on things to suit your beliefs/need for answers. As for running off. Who said he did. All are in titled to our own theory here, but I think he left out of principal. If KL insisted to be on the board which is her right and he felt otherwise, he would have to either step down on his principles or back them. The fact that he backed them, show strength of character, but throw that at him if you must. But he was taking Southampton FC places and may be he was brave enough to take the gamble/leap of faith many would not to archive this! May be he wanted Saints to win this league, no matter how others feel absurd! (Man city fans anyone?) He just wanted to do it without massive wages, and he lead the way in many aspects. If we archive these goals no matter what any may believe, the money would pour in! Lastly I will like you support Saints and who ever wear the shirt and what ever division we may end up in. But this is exactly what the board is banking on "your loyalty" ! The only difference between me and you, is that I still aspire to see Southampton FC win this league in my life time and more. Eight last year, with what we have left and what we might end up with where are we likely to finish. If we kept our players and gave them a reason to stay through may be ambition and added a few new players, what might we archived, or is this not what a Saints fan deserves or have no right to expect? Its got nothing to do with arse licking players, just unlike you I want to see our team do more than just survive! Saint.
  • Score: 2

2:57pm Tue 29 Jul 14

TheresOnlyOnePelle says...

Saint. wrote:
bbb001 wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Saint. wrote:
bbb001 wrote:
Saint. wrote: Enough now! I have never hidden the fact that I believed we had the best chairman in NC, and we did! NC promised and delivered on those promises. He gave the club ambition to succeed and clearly believed there is no point being in this game if you do not aspire to be the best and to do this challenge the best on equal footing. He took the club from league one to eight in the prem, without really silly wages being paid! Now we are here on the fresh hold of a hopefully propus new area to now see what? Personally alarm bells rang when I read a quote from KL saying" she did not want NC to leave." But she obviously did not work too hard to keep him, and give him what he wanted to take this club forward, to succeed with the vision. That is all she really had to do to keep a man at the helm who was clearly delivering by a country mile! Yes we can all argue about what he actually wanted, doing, and way of doing, but not a single person on here knows! Only the board does and may be only NC and KL. But still so many opinions are formed from speculation and hear say! We now have Les Reed who has never filled me with confidence anyway, simply lying to our faces! He has made big statements on the back of really not knowing the score, or being farmed out to appease the fans, as Ralph bombed. Quite simply a five year old would done better, as all he has done has said words the fans wanted to hear, even if they had no substance to them! We now have Ralph Krueger who is suppose to be the big motivational speaker/communicator ! He comes out and says going forward they would find a way to communicate to the fan on a more frequent basis! If this current situation does warrant it, then I don't know what does! Yet we have not seen or herd a peep from him. RK also states that our players are for Southampton FC! He continues to say I've played hockey and got a scar on my chin, I can be tough when these club come knocking! See what you mean Ralph, real tough cookie! Between these two they have taken Southampton FC and archived the following in a space of a short time. They have lost the club kit supplier (don't believe all what they said, as it not that they would never lie to you) They have taken a club sitting eight in the league with potential to archive more with additions (clearly now a concept wasted on them), and with many plaudits around the world and brought it down to date the laughing stock in football! We are the butt of many jokes, and oh how others are loving trying to put us in our so called place! They say things like no need to sale and with in weeks of the World cup sale all three of OUR England players! Something to proud of!! They go onto sell virtually the rest of the squad, with no signs given to the fans of an end for the rest of the squad. They single handily ripped the total team spirit out of the club by their actions! They are setting unprecedented player sales in numbers never seen before!! Yet they hide behind the fact of the sizeable undisclosed deal done for each! The new phrase is for calm as our players continue to be sold, and they have the cheek to say well yes we want to keep our best players and look at Reed who signed a contract proves the point!! What Les has this proved? What does a contract mean, apart from a big sale fee?! The players YOU BOTH have sold all have long contracts, and playing for a club that players use to want to play for! Now LR and RK have created a open door for the players to talk to each other then pop their head in and say boss I want to leave, and you say no problem boy as we only need to hear "we don't want to be here" and we sell, as you know sunny we don't want long faces around here. They have single handily changed the way the other clubs view us, and given them no need to look else where of further a field. They continue show naivety dealing with players and agents! Instead they are being walked over oh so easily!!! I can only hope Ronald Koeman knows what is round the corner, as he has been embarrassed now by having to say, ok three gone and now it has to stop here. For him to see further two go under his nose! We are indeed lucky to have RK and his tweet picture yesterday was priceless! How these two got him is a miracle, and gets me to thinking may be Koeman knows something we don't. A message to the board, you have now gone too far, and need to start thinking of the bigger damage you are inflicting to the fans and the club! You are humiliating this great club of ours and creating us as simply the laughing stock of footballing world! You must start today before its too late to put the pride back in Southampton FC and for the fans and tell us your intentions, game plan, ambitions, with a statement and actions that speak louder than words! As a Saint fan we are hurting and need to know why, and what you intend to do?
Its no secret why Cortese left, he refused to be accountable to KL, the woman who owns the club. He thought Sfc was his and didnot want to answer to KL. Soon it will become clear that her intervention has saved the club not ruined it as you seem to think. Why dont you read the articles concerning the Saints debts during the Cortese tenure.
Firstly I stated that no one really knows why! Not even you!! Second if you wish to believe rumours, then the rumour is that NC did not want KL in the Southampton FC boardroom! He flew out to answer to her and always had a lot of respect for her and her father. NC knew KL owned the club now, but just felt she did not need to be involved in the boardroom of the club. That just simply business Thirdly as for debts! What do you actually know? NC is one the highest bankers in the world, he knows how to mange debt! This he does without thinking! Its his profession! Fourthly if KL has come in to save the day as you claim we will all find out soon, and that means NC had to go, why did KL state she wanted to keep him, and if there is any truth to this statement, then NC could not of been that bad as you paint, can he? Lastly as a Saints fans I have read all the comments you suggest I should do! Though not once have I mentioned or knocked KL, so I find your comments strange! I have knocked the two people she has in charge! You should not believe all you read sir! As we are told, our players are not for sale. Our players are for Southampton FC! The best is "nothing change" Let me ask you something. When have you ever seen three Saints players playing for England, for the next moment they are all sold?! When have you ever seen three top players sold to one club?! When have you seen five of your best team players sold with a click of a finger?! Can you see this as the end of our player sale?! We are creating astounding history and being laughed at to boot?! Your happy with this?
Blimey - you must be really unhappy that your parents ever met.
Wow, what an angry man, calm down and tune into Talksport drivetime and listen to what Ralph Krugar has to say. Hopefully that will clear a few things up. This will hopefully stop people like you claiming to be the all knowledgable on all things Saints.
Never claimed anything, and sounds like your just trying to be smart! If you bothered to read, I just questioned and just wanted answer like many Saints fans, and its no less than we deserve. The only thing I claimed to know is what LR and RK stated, about no need to sale, and nothing changed. Then half the team is gone, and may be more soon or may be you do not know this?
Cortese being the 'best' chairman needs to be said in the context it deserves.

Results: Yes, Southampton's record underneath NC was amazing.

Players + Managers: We signed some fantastic players and had some superb management teams. Fair play NC.

Finance: As you say, he is a VERY astute man. A banker who knows debt and how to 'move' money around. This is where i begin to take issue.....

How can a man who is so financially astute misplace £15million on building a training ground which has been built to the original plans?

Why would a man who is doing such a good job not allow Kathrina to visit to see any finances, training ground works or install anyone into the boardroom to assist NC with this important role?

Do you never think to look beneath the surface?

1. The success Southampton enjoyed was using an unsustainable source of funds - a budget that was largely unmetered and far greater than Kathrina had realised (until the point she had to get involved).

2. £15 million disappears into thin air on 'Training Ground overspend'?!! Where has this gone? It's either in NC's pockets or it was possibly being used to keep the, now absent, players in place. (Players and agents tend to follow the money).

3. Why has NC not been brought to account for all of this?
Well, this is a bit grey. If you are a German business/Billionaire
, why would you move to Switzerland? One could guess(!?) it would be for financial (tax) benfits. As most know, tax 'avoidance' is a large part of any Billionaire's banker's job role. It's also often very close to the line between legal and illegal. So its fair to say NC would probably have a fair knowledge of EXACTLY how above-board the Liebherr/Mali finances are back in Switzerland. Is Kathrina about to start slinging mud knowing what NC knows? Like hell - NC flapping his mouth would most likely cost her a hell of a lot more than it would cost him.

5. Where's the boat?

I think we all need to take stock, ride this out, see where we end up etc. Yes, it would have been nice to challenge the big boys. Having followed this club for years, i just hope we can relive the dell days. 27 years of top flight football (at least!) will do me.
[quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: Enough now! I have never hidden the fact that I believed we had the best chairman in NC, and we did! NC promised and delivered on those promises. He gave the club ambition to succeed and clearly believed there is no point being in this game if you do not aspire to be the best and to do this challenge the best on equal footing. He took the club from league one to eight in the prem, without really silly wages being paid! Now we are here on the fresh hold of a hopefully propus new area to now see what? Personally alarm bells rang when I read a quote from KL saying" she did not want NC to leave." But she obviously did not work too hard to keep him, and give him what he wanted to take this club forward, to succeed with the vision. That is all she really had to do to keep a man at the helm who was clearly delivering by a country mile! Yes we can all argue about what he actually wanted, doing, and way of doing, but not a single person on here knows! Only the board does and may be only NC and KL. But still so many opinions are formed from speculation and hear say! We now have Les Reed who has never filled me with confidence anyway, simply lying to our faces! He has made big statements on the back of really not knowing the score, or being farmed out to appease the fans, as Ralph bombed. Quite simply a five year old would done better, as all he has done has said words the fans wanted to hear, even if they had no substance to them! We now have Ralph Krueger who is suppose to be the big motivational speaker/communicator ! He comes out and says going forward they would find a way to communicate to the fan on a more frequent basis! If this current situation does warrant it, then I don't know what does! Yet we have not seen or herd a peep from him. RK also states that our players are for Southampton FC! He continues to say I've played hockey and got a scar on my chin, I can be tough when these club come knocking! See what you mean Ralph, real tough cookie! Between these two they have taken Southampton FC and archived the following in a space of a short time. They have lost the club kit supplier (don't believe all what they said, as it not that they would never lie to you) They have taken a club sitting eight in the league with potential to archive more with additions (clearly now a concept wasted on them), and with many plaudits around the world and brought it down to date the laughing stock in football! We are the butt of many jokes, and oh how others are loving trying to put us in our so called place! They say things like no need to sale and with in weeks of the World cup sale all three of OUR England players! Something to proud of!! They go onto sell virtually the rest of the squad, with no signs given to the fans of an end for the rest of the squad. They single handily ripped the total team spirit out of the club by their actions! They are setting unprecedented player sales in numbers never seen before!! Yet they hide behind the fact of the sizeable undisclosed deal done for each! The new phrase is for calm as our players continue to be sold, and they have the cheek to say well yes we want to keep our best players and look at Reed who signed a contract proves the point!! What Les has this proved? What does a contract mean, apart from a big sale fee?! The players YOU BOTH have sold all have long contracts, and playing for a club that players use to want to play for! Now LR and RK have created a open door for the players to talk to each other then pop their head in and say boss I want to leave, and you say no problem boy as we only need to hear "we don't want to be here" and we sell, as you know sunny we don't want long faces around here. They have single handily changed the way the other clubs view us, and given them no need to look else where of further a field. They continue show naivety dealing with players and agents! Instead they are being walked over oh so easily!!! I can only hope Ronald Koeman knows what is round the corner, as he has been embarrassed now by having to say, ok three gone and now it has to stop here. For him to see further two go under his nose! We are indeed lucky to have RK and his tweet picture yesterday was priceless! How these two got him is a miracle, and gets me to thinking may be Koeman knows something we don't. A message to the board, you have now gone too far, and need to start thinking of the bigger damage you are inflicting to the fans and the club! You are humiliating this great club of ours and creating us as simply the laughing stock of footballing world! You must start today before its too late to put the pride back in Southampton FC and for the fans and tell us your intentions, game plan, ambitions, with a statement and actions that speak louder than words! As a Saint fan we are hurting and need to know why, and what you intend to do?[/p][/quote]Its no secret why Cortese left, he refused to be accountable to KL, the woman who owns the club. He thought Sfc was his and didnot want to answer to KL. Soon it will become clear that her intervention has saved the club not ruined it as you seem to think. Why dont you read the articles concerning the Saints debts during the Cortese tenure.[/p][/quote]Firstly I stated that no one really knows why! Not even you!! Second if you wish to believe rumours, then the rumour is that NC did not want KL in the Southampton FC boardroom! He flew out to answer to her and always had a lot of respect for her and her father. NC knew KL owned the club now, but just felt she did not need to be involved in the boardroom of the club. That just simply business Thirdly as for debts! What do you actually know? NC is one the highest bankers in the world, he knows how to mange debt! This he does without thinking! Its his profession! Fourthly if KL has come in to save the day as you claim we will all find out soon, and that means NC had to go, why did KL state she wanted to keep him, and if there is any truth to this statement, then NC could not of been that bad as you paint, can he? Lastly as a Saints fans I have read all the comments you suggest I should do! Though not once have I mentioned or knocked KL, so I find your comments strange! I have knocked the two people she has in charge! You should not believe all you read sir! As we are told, our players are not for sale. Our players are for Southampton FC! The best is "nothing change" Let me ask you something. When have you ever seen three Saints players playing for England, for the next moment they are all sold?! When have you ever seen three top players sold to one club?! When have you seen five of your best team players sold with a click of a finger?! Can you see this as the end of our player sale?! We are creating astounding history and being laughed at to boot?! Your happy with this?[/p][/quote]Blimey - you must be really unhappy that your parents ever met.[/p][/quote]Wow, what an angry man, calm down and tune into Talksport drivetime and listen to what Ralph Krugar has to say. Hopefully that will clear a few things up. This will hopefully stop people like you claiming to be the all knowledgable on all things Saints.[/p][/quote]Never claimed anything, and sounds like your just trying to be smart! If you bothered to read, I just questioned and just wanted answer like many Saints fans, and its no less than we deserve. The only thing I claimed to know is what LR and RK stated, about no need to sale, and nothing changed. Then half the team is gone, and may be more soon or may be you do not know this?[/p][/quote]Cortese being the 'best' chairman needs to be said in the context it deserves. Results: Yes, Southampton's record underneath NC was amazing. Players + Managers: We signed some fantastic players and had some superb management teams. Fair play NC. Finance: As you say, he is a VERY astute man. A banker who knows debt and how to 'move' money around. This is where i begin to take issue..... How can a man who is so financially astute misplace £15million on building a training ground which has been built to the original plans? Why would a man who is doing such a good job not allow Kathrina to visit to see any finances, training ground works or install anyone into the boardroom to assist NC with this important role? Do you never think to look beneath the surface? 1. The success Southampton enjoyed was using an unsustainable source of funds - a budget that was largely unmetered and far greater than Kathrina had realised (until the point she had to get involved). 2. £15 million disappears into thin air on 'Training Ground overspend'?!! Where has this gone? It's either in NC's pockets or it was possibly being used to keep the, now absent, players in place. (Players and agents tend to follow the money). 3. Why has NC not been brought to account for all of this? Well, this is a bit grey. If you are a German business/Billionaire , why would you move to Switzerland? One could guess(!?) it would be for financial (tax) benfits. As most know, tax 'avoidance' is a large part of any Billionaire's banker's job role. It's also often very close to the line between legal and illegal. So its fair to say NC would probably have a fair knowledge of EXACTLY how above-board the Liebherr/Mali finances are back in Switzerland. Is Kathrina about to start slinging mud knowing what NC knows? Like hell - NC flapping his mouth would most likely cost her a hell of a lot more than it would cost him. 5. Where's the boat? I think we all need to take stock, ride this out, see where we end up etc. Yes, it would have been nice to challenge the big boys. Having followed this club for years, i just hope we can relive the dell days. 27 years of top flight football (at least!) will do me. TheresOnlyOnePelle
  • Score: 0

3:02pm Tue 29 Jul 14

jls217 says...

u bunch of mugs wrote:
jls217 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
God what's happened to our fan base years ago we used to be full of passion for this great club and city now it's all what what old chap happy clap and in The board we trust ****.
When will you lot learn they don't give a **** about the club they just want the money.
This would not happen at any other club cause the fans wouldn't let it. Say what you like about the blue **** down the road but at least they have passion. Fu@k that hurt to say that
Mugs for the first time since reading your posts I'm beginning (just beginning mind) to think you might not be a skate plant after all. Apologies if you feel insulted.
Trust me I am no skate I f@uking hate the gypo/sailor off breeds.
I am just a proud and passionate Southampton lad that's sick off seeing the club ripped apart by c@cks like Les Reed. I have seen it for years Askham Lowe now this tw@t sick off it.
And he looks like Reg Holdsworth from coronation street.
I think my apology was accepted but not really 100% sure. I do 100% pick up on your depth of feeling toward several other individuals who seem to have upset you and it's not easy reading mate.
I'm hoping for the sake of your anger control problem and my high blood pressure that all is ironed out before the January sales ends and we can look forward to a better future with the Koeman bros running the show.

I think this season is already shot and dying but we won't go down and I'll still pay to watch ('cos I'm a slow learner) and cheer 'em on and cheer em'back off again. The season after this will be the really interesting one. Don't lose the faith, you might want to ease off a little on the Skates too mate - right now they are to be pitied. We'll cull them next year.
[quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: God what's happened to our fan base years ago we used to be full of passion for this great club and city now it's all what what old chap happy clap and in The board we trust ****. When will you lot learn they don't give a **** about the club they just want the money. This would not happen at any other club cause the fans wouldn't let it. Say what you like about the blue **** down the road but at least they have passion. Fu@k that hurt to say that[/p][/quote]Mugs for the first time since reading your posts I'm beginning (just beginning mind) to think you might not be a skate plant after all. Apologies if you feel insulted.[/p][/quote]Trust me I am no skate I f@uking hate the gypo/sailor off breeds. I am just a proud and passionate Southampton lad that's sick off seeing the club ripped apart by c@cks like Les Reed. I have seen it for years Askham Lowe now this tw@t sick off it. And he looks like Reg Holdsworth from coronation street.[/p][/quote]I think my apology was accepted but not really 100% sure. I do 100% pick up on your depth of feeling toward several other individuals who seem to have upset you and it's not easy reading mate. I'm hoping for the sake of your anger control problem and my high blood pressure that all is ironed out before the January sales ends and we can look forward to a better future with the Koeman bros running the show. I think this season is already shot and dying but we won't go down and I'll still pay to watch ('cos I'm a slow learner) and cheer 'em on and cheer em'back off again. The season after this will be the really interesting one. Don't lose the faith, you might want to ease off a little on the Skates too mate - right now they are to be pitied. We'll cull them next year. jls217
  • Score: 3

3:08pm Tue 29 Jul 14

katsheroes says...

Have we lived the dream these last 5 years since Rupert the banker left?. Maybe good old Kat is selling off so many players so she can get her slice before giving the club to the city and its fans in memory of the legend and allow our dream to continue
Have we lived the dream these last 5 years since Rupert the banker left?. Maybe good old Kat is selling off so many players so she can get her slice before giving the club to the city and its fans in memory of the legend and allow our dream to continue katsheroes
  • Score: -1

3:12pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

SNUGGLES 78 wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
50 Years A Supporter wrote:
I have to agree with most of the comments on here. I am disgusted by the policy of selling all the best players! Unless we start signing players NOW we are definitely in line for a relegation scrap. God knows why Koeman agreed to come here! You cannot sell 5-7 top players and replace them straightaway to gel in a new line-up. All Cortese's good work has been ruined and I hope the club is sold to someone who cares about it!
you are having a laugh as are all those saying we are in a "relegation" scrap... you obviously know naff all about football. Take a look at the other clubs , take a look at their teams/squads..... £100M will steady the ship and allow us to build stability and a team on Ron's terms and lets look at his track record so far .... he has identified two quality players ..... and secured their services. These are not players who would have signed for a team threatened with relegation, they are players who would have signed up for a team building phase and there will be more.
The players were bought when we still had a very good team. Did Pele and Tadic realise that 5 or 7 players would be old in total.

Is it now possible to attract quality foreign players here on lower wages with our current team?
Win nowt with kids ,nowt i tell ye.
Yep Agree. Even the kids at Utd had senior pro's around them showing them what to do
[quote][p][bold]SNUGGLES 78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]50 Years A Supporter[/bold] wrote: I have to agree with most of the comments on here. I am disgusted by the policy of selling all the best players! Unless we start signing players NOW we are definitely in line for a relegation scrap. God knows why Koeman agreed to come here! You cannot sell 5-7 top players and replace them straightaway to gel in a new line-up. All Cortese's good work has been ruined and I hope the club is sold to someone who cares about it![/p][/quote]you are having a laugh as are all those saying we are in a "relegation" scrap... you obviously know naff all about football. Take a look at the other clubs , take a look at their teams/squads..... £100M will steady the ship and allow us to build stability and a team on Ron's terms and lets look at his track record so far .... he has identified two quality players ..... and secured their services. These are not players who would have signed for a team threatened with relegation, they are players who would have signed up for a team building phase and there will be more.[/p][/quote]The players were bought when we still had a very good team. Did Pele and Tadic realise that 5 or 7 players would be old in total. Is it now possible to attract quality foreign players here on lower wages with our current team?[/p][/quote]Win nowt with kids ,nowt i tell ye.[/p][/quote]Yep Agree. Even the kids at Utd had senior pro's around them showing them what to do Saints n Winners
  • Score: 0

3:12pm Tue 29 Jul 14

7saint7 says...

Les Reed you talk out of your backside . The thing with you every time you come out and open you big mouth the opposite happens . Your a total fool i hate you & so do most saints fans if not all . Do us all a big favor and join portsmouth there love you . your fit right in .
Or you could just drop dead billy bull s**t.
Les Reed you talk out of your backside . The thing with you every time you come out and open you big mouth the opposite happens . Your a total fool i hate you & so do most saints fans if not all . Do us all a big favor and join portsmouth there love you . your fit right in . Or you could just drop dead billy bull s**t. 7saint7
  • Score: -2

3:13pm Tue 29 Jul 14

jls217 says...

truelysaints wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
truelysaints wrote:
Its as plain as plain can be. The club is being lined up for a sale with all the family jewels having been sold off. Cortese saw this. and left perhaps ready for a buy back.
Top conspiracy theorising, we are getting experts at that, still don't know anything that is a hard fact.
Simple business, collect the money for finishing 8th. Sell off you the most valued players. All worth over £100, 000, 000, then sell the hardware ad one is left with a handsome return on the initial outlay. If you don't think that football is a business for the investor who is looking for when to capitalise on his/her investment then wake up and sell the coffee. Unless one is a major club like the top four with handsome returns over the long haul then Saints will be the best it will ever be as an investment now.
Bet Skiverpool outbid everybody for that coffee!
[quote][p][bold]truelysaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]truelysaints[/bold] wrote: Its as plain as plain can be. The club is being lined up for a sale with all the family jewels having been sold off. Cortese saw this. and left perhaps ready for a buy back.[/p][/quote]Top conspiracy theorising, we are getting experts at that, still don't know anything that is a hard fact.[/p][/quote]Simple business, collect the money for finishing 8th. Sell off you the most valued players. All worth over £100, 000, 000, then sell the hardware ad one is left with a handsome return on the initial outlay. If you don't think that football is a business for the investor who is looking for when to capitalise on his/her investment then wake up and sell the coffee. Unless one is a major club like the top four with handsome returns over the long haul then Saints will be the best it will ever be as an investment now.[/p][/quote]Bet Skiverpool outbid everybody for that coffee! jls217
  • Score: 1

3:13pm Tue 29 Jul 14

montecristosaint says...

http://www.hat-trick

.fr/southampton-est-

en-vente/


SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CUB IS FOR SALE

I have been saying for months that KL was conducting a fire sale because she has no intention of retaining a club that she sees as a nuisance and major inconvenience. All the indicators were there, if you know what to look for. First the appointments of Reed and Krueger . Their real jobs are as follows. The first is in charge of selling off all players for whom the club can get a substantial pay off. Krueger s job is in fact charged with finding a buyer for the club. he hasnt been at St Marys. I m told for the last 6 weeks and is believed to be in France and moving as required to Switzerland and Germany.
A french journalist has got wind of the story and has started putting it about, but the British press have been slow to react so far.
When Cortese left KL contacted Christian Purslow, a former director of Liverpool FC no less, who also runs a business dealing with the acquisition of share capital called Mid Ocean, an american company handling some three billion. He was charged with finding a buyer but did not succeed apparently. Since then however, Krueger has been appointed and he has a track record in this area which i did not know about. Not just a hockey coach then.He is apparently a ruthless negotiator and a member of the World Economic Forum since 2011, which consists of leaders in different commercial fields including sport. Apparently Southampton is known to be for sale throughout the Middle East. An individual who is known to be involved in club take overs has also confirmed that Southampton is up for sale. I dont know his name, but he is quoted in the french article.
Before Purslow s appointment, Cortese did try to buy the club, but KL would not let him have it. There is bad blood between the two of them it seems.I cannot confirm whether he is behind the latest developments, but its possible.
The french journalist s name is Raymond Molina, and he says he expects further developments within the next few days.
On the player front the strategy is to sell ,sell ,sell. If any players are brought in they will be at minimum cost to keep the club viable,But I wouldnt count on it.