Echo reporter Adam Leitch finds out how Saints lost so many stars

Former Saints manager Mauricio Pochettino

Former Saints manager Mauricio Pochettino

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What has happened at St Mary’s this summer?

Here, the Daily Echo examines and analyses the comings and goings and the state of the club.

So just what has gone on since last season finished – it all seemed so bright?

The seeds of these problems were sown before last season ended.

For the last couple of months of 2013/14 there was uncertainty over Mauricio Pochettino’s future.

Daily Echo: Mauricio Pochettino, pictured, threatened to walk away if Nicola Cortese left the club

Ex-Saints manager Mauricio Pochettino

That, in turn, led to a power vacuum.

Saints were already looking almost certainly assured of an eighth place finish and, without strong leadership, things started to drift.

Was that Pochettino’s fault then?

Pochettino certainly had a certain hand in it, but that was only because he wasn’t prepared to commit his future to Saints for reasons that became obvious as he moved to Tottenham.

The trouble was that, after such a successful season, it was inevitable that other clubs would be coveting Saints’ players.

But without knowing definitely that Pochettino would still be the manager, the stars were understandably considering their own futures.

In that little bit of breathing space came the chance for the vultures to start circling.

Once that process begins, it’s like trying to hold back the tides.

So it was the club’s fault, then, for not getting Pochettino to stay?

They were in a difficult position after Nicola Cortese left.

Daily Echo: Southampton have brought in Gareth Rogers, with Nicola Cortese, departed

Former Saints chairman Nicola Cortese

There was a feeling of instability with that change at the top taking place mid season and they could not afford to lose Pochettino.

As such, maybe they played along with him a little too much.

Certainly looking back now, Les Reed’s statement a few weeks before the end of the season that he was comfortable with the situation with Pochettino makes it look like Saints may have been too happy to go along with things for fearing of upsetting their manager when they could have been firmer.

Nobody has a crystal ball, but you would hope things might not have unravelled quite so quickly in terms of players wanting to leave if there was a committed manager in place.

Would this not have happened had Cortese stayed?

Anybody who claims to know for sure must be able to see into the future, because no one can be certain.

Pochettino is a career manager. That is his job, and if a bigger club came in for him the chances are he would have gone anyway.

And when it comes to the players, if they want to go it’s almost impossible to hold onto them when big clubs are interested.

We even saw that with Alex Oxlade- Chamberlain, who Cortese had to sell back in the summer of 2011.

Surely, though, Saints don’t need to sell all these players?

It has been a real snowball effect that has almost turned into an avalanche.

Rickie Lambert was the first to go and, unwittingly, Saints set a precedent that others have used to also force through their moves.

Daily Echo: Rickie Lambert

Ex-Saints striker Rickie Lambert

Though Lambert has continued to be held up as a hero and nobody begrudged him a ‘dream’ move to Liverpool, what do you then say to other players when big clubs come in and they want their ‘dream’ move?

Especially when you have accepted just £4m for one of your most important players.

They should have held onto Lambert then?

Possibly, with hindsight, maybe they should have, though they insist this was an exceptional case and that all the deals have been dealt with on an individual basis.

It certainly seem to open the floodgates, though, and Saints haven’t been able to close them since.

They have taken a stance that you cannot keep players that aren’t happy and don’t want to play for the club.

So now any player that wants to go uses that excuse.

Of course, other clubs have been alerted to this and are trying to take advantage to pick over the Saints carcass.

Saints say they wouldn’t have sold had premium prices not been met, but they have been.

Is it reasonable to keep players who want to leave?

This is an interesting discussion point.

The old school view would be very much that, yes, it is.

You cannot imagine Lawrie McMenemy, Alex Ferguson or Brian Clough standing for any of that from their players – especially the youngsters.

They were all happy enough to sign lucrative long term contracts not that long beforehand.

Certainly those managers would have shown their agents the door and told the player to get on with it or they would be in the reserves and nobody would ever want to sign them then.

People in the game now will tell you, with player power the way it is and clubs run as businesses, that is just not how it works.

With clubs having to act to balance books in such a cash rich industry, you cannot have a huge asset rotting away in the reserves.

Why not?

Well, take Dejan Lovren as an example.

He made it quite clear that he no longer wished to play for Saints because Liverpool wanted him and he wanted to go there.

Daily Echo: Dejan Lovren is the third Southampton player to move to Anfield this summer

Dejan Lovren was the third player to move from Saints to Liverpool this summer

Saints could have pointed out that he only joined the club the year before and signed a long term deal and insisted he honoured that contract.

But if the player is adamant, you are taking a big risk.

You could try and get him back on board, but if he decides not to try or just sit in the reserves and pick up a huge salary then there is little you can do about it.

In that instance, his value decreases massively while you still pay him a fortune.

Or the alternative option is that you take £20m for him now and have that sum of cash in your business to spend as you see fit.

In all these cases in modern day football, the clubs end up selling.

Is that what has happened at Saints?

In most of these cases, yes it is.

The players have made it clear they see their futures elsewhere and so Saints have taken that decision to sell if they could get good fees.

Oddly enough, given the stick he got, Dejan Lovren was the only one to actually do it publicly and put in a written transfer request, thus formally waving his rights to certain payments from Saints upon completion of his move.

Who has been overseeing all this?

It’s largely been down to Les Reed in his role as executive director.

Daily Echo: Les Reed

Les Reed

What about Ronald Koeman?

Well he has claimed that he knew all of this before he agreed to take the job, though surely even he might not have reckoned quite so many players would have gone.

Shouldn’t Saints have drawn a line under the sales somewhere?

That is ultimately the problem they have had, and why things look so bad.

It hasn’t been handled in the best way.

Despite promises of open communication, Saints have been quite insular in their dealings.

They have struggled to get their message across and explain things, as we are attempting to do here.

Maybe, with hindsight, they regret setting the precedent that they did, but once they had done that it was hard to backtrack from it.

But surely it’s one thing with senior players, but Calum Chambers?

Interesting debate on that one.

In a pure business sense, it was a great deal – possibly £16m for a player that cost you nothing and who wants to leave.

Daily Echo: Calum Chambers

Calum Chambers in action against Chelsea

It’s like Lovren; in a business sense, it was an £11.5m profit in a year.

Trouble is, business sense doesn’t win football matches.

And when it comes to Chambers, it didn’t sound good that when a 19-year-old with four years left on his contract and who has barely played 20 times for the first team demands to leave you just feel you have to agree.

You mentioned the word business a lot there. Is that really what is motivating these sales?

The honest answer to that is we don’t know, or at least can’t be sure.

Saints have said on a couple of occasions that all monies raised from these sales will be reinvested in the team.

Though things seem bleak at the moment we can only trust them and hold them to that statement.

If that is the case then Saints will be able to say it was a sporting decision, that they have got rid of a load of players who didn’t want to be there, no matter how talented they were, and replaced them with a new era of players who want to represent the club.

But will all the money be reinvested, taken out of the club or used elsewhere?

Only time will tell for sure.

We have these statements from the club and we have to give them the time to prove they are correct.

There is no point leaping up and down about it until we know for sure.

What we do know, though, is that when the accounts came out it was obvious that there were a lot of things that needed paying for.

The training ground had gone up from £15m to £30m.

There was a lot of deferred transfer debt for the signings of the previous two summers still owing, and even another loan from overseas.

Chairman Ralph Krueger has said the money will go on the team and denied all this talk about whether Katharina Liebherr will want any of her family’s substantial investment back.

Daily Echo: Ralph Krueger and Katharina Liebherr at St Mary’s this week

Saints Chairman Ralph Krueger and owner Katharina Liebherr

Again, you can only repeat that Saints have publicly said the money will be reinvested on new players.

We simply have to allow them the chance to be as good as their word.

What about getting players in? Why is it taking so long?

It does seem that Saints are able to sell in days but buy in weeks, that is true.

All these deals are subject to complex negotiations, and we are not party to everything that is happening, but you cannot argue with the facts that five players have been sold and just two recruited.

Are we going to be able to get in enough players?

Well, that is not really optional.

Saints simply have to do that to give themselves a fighting chance of having a good season.

What does this say about the state of English football and the club?

Well, that is unfortunately not very palatable.

It says that the big clubs with the money and the power will always be able to take any players they want from other sides below them.

It was ever thus really.

In the same way nobody raised an eyebrow when Rickie Lambert wanted to move from one League One club to another to join Saints from Bristol Rovers, nobody else thinks it’s unusual for Luke Shaw to want to go from Saints to Manchester Untied.

The pecking order of things is in place and entrenched.

The Premier League riches have only solidified that.

Saints did as well as was possible for a club of their size last season.

Unfortunately, the reality of modern day football is what you have seen over the last 12 months at St Mary’s.

It ain’t all pretty.

Surely there must be some positives in amongst all this?

Yes, and it’s important not to lose sight of the fact that all is not lost yet.

It is sad that such a wonderful side has been dismantled, but Saints have got themselves a terrific new manager in Koeman, and are going to play an exciting brand of football next season.

Daily Echo: Ronald Koeman

New Saints manager Ronald Koeman

It is inevitably going to be a new side packed full of fresh faces and new talent to enjoy.

It doesn’t look great right now, but signings will come in, hopefully quickly, and when half a dozen new players are on the team photo then things will look brighter.

It has been a summer of madness, but maybe there will still be a good season to come after it.

All we can say for sure is that now is not the time to judge.

That comes when we see the team on the first day of the season and at the end of the summer transfer window.

At that point, we can fairly assess exactly what has taken place.

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1:08pm Thu 31 Jul 14

saints fan #1 says...

All old news, need news of signings and fast.
All old news, need news of signings and fast. saints fan #1
  • Score: -9

1:12pm Thu 31 Jul 14

bstokesaint says...

Without meaning to sound ignorant, I'm done analysing what has happened to date and being constantly asked question by other fans what is happening at our club. I respect Ralph for coming out and and doing the interview and giving us some well overdue answers. I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, especially after we got some positive news yesterday with Bertrand. It's time to stop looking back and time to start looking forward again. I believe if Ronald is happy and understands what is happening around him, without being kept in the dark (like the rest of us believe we have been - with some still believing this to be the case) then he can turn it around. Onwards and upwards.
Without meaning to sound ignorant, I'm done analysing what has happened to date and being constantly asked question by other fans what is happening at our club. I respect Ralph for coming out and and doing the interview and giving us some well overdue answers. I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, especially after we got some positive news yesterday with Bertrand. It's time to stop looking back and time to start looking forward again. I believe if Ronald is happy and understands what is happening around him, without being kept in the dark (like the rest of us believe we have been - with some still believing this to be the case) then he can turn it around. Onwards and upwards. bstokesaint
  • Score: 21

1:17pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Graham, North of Watford says...

Yes indeed all old news with nothing added to the debate.

2 things, however. I think the Saints should have drawn that line in the sand 1 player earlier. If I was a bullish, pushy CE I would have insisted that we look to get a return from our Academy kids. I think that afeter so much investment in them they should give the Saints a full 2 seanons of First team football.

Tell the youngsters, their parents and their agents that we mean what we say.

After 2 years, they are probably still in their teens and the World is waiting for them.

Secondly, it would have been much better if the Echo had explained the groteesque unfairness of the financial fair play arrangements which means that all of the "lower" clubs in the Premiership are barred from paying higher wages, even if they wanted to.

Finally, the Ecgho might have drawn comparisons with the financial prudence of our Club
Yes indeed all old news with nothing added to the debate. 2 things, however. I think the Saints should have drawn that line in the sand 1 player earlier. If I was a bullish, pushy CE I would have insisted that we look to get a return from our Academy kids. I think that afeter so much investment in them they should give the Saints a full 2 seanons of First team football. Tell the youngsters, their parents and their agents that we mean what we say. After 2 years, they are probably still in their teens and the World is waiting for them. Secondly, it would have been much better if the Echo had explained the groteesque unfairness of the financial fair play arrangements which means that all of the "lower" clubs in the Premiership are barred from paying higher wages, even if they wanted to. Finally, the Ecgho might have drawn comparisons with the financial prudence of our Club Graham, North of Watford
  • Score: 18

1:19pm Thu 31 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

Everyone who has left, including Cortese and Pochettino has cited ambition as their reason for departing.
Whether it was moving somewhere to become successful, or leaving because of Southampton's apparent lack of ambition.
Everyone who has left, including Cortese and Pochettino has cited ambition as their reason for departing. Whether it was moving somewhere to become successful, or leaving because of Southampton's apparent lack of ambition. costa gaz
  • Score: 4

1:25pm Thu 31 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

GOOD ARTICLE - letting Rickie go with the Grand Gesture really did open the floodgates.

LACK OF LEADERSHIP - inexperienced Chairman - lack of Ability for a Top Premier League Club with Les Reed and an accidental Owner with very little footballing knowledge have all played a part in SAINTS SUMMER OF MAYHEM AND MADNESS. COYR+WS
GOOD ARTICLE - letting Rickie go with the Grand Gesture really did open the floodgates. LACK OF LEADERSHIP - inexperienced Chairman - lack of Ability for a Top Premier League Club with Les Reed and an accidental Owner with very little footballing knowledge have all played a part in SAINTS SUMMER OF MAYHEM AND MADNESS. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -6

1:29pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

Letting assets rot in the reserves is still a good strategy if it stops the club in question imploding. Clough and the like let assets rot in the reserves - but in those days the players and money weren't king. There were more role models; players stayed at clubs longer; and people in the game had more quality about them.

Clubs now will do anything to get success; including changing the rule books against other clubs ; sign up kids at six or seven years age; pay off parent mortgages; and pay teenagers 100k week.

I would have been delighted to hear that Shaw's wage demands were rejected by all tendering clubs - but they weren't - and his demands now make Cashley Cole's demands seem quite ordinary

I truly believe Shaw's new wages at MU have caused SFC untold problems.

Bring back the wage cap. Wages are now ridiculous and immoral. Shame on you Jimmy Hill
Letting assets rot in the reserves is still a good strategy if it stops the club in question imploding. Clough and the like let assets rot in the reserves - but in those days the players and money weren't king. There were more role models; players stayed at clubs longer; and people in the game had more quality about them. Clubs now will do anything to get success; including changing the rule books against other clubs ; sign up kids at six or seven years age; pay off parent mortgages; and pay teenagers 100k week. I would have been delighted to hear that Shaw's wage demands were rejected by all tendering clubs - but they weren't - and his demands now make Cashley Cole's demands seem quite ordinary I truly believe Shaw's new wages at MU have caused SFC untold problems. Bring back the wage cap. Wages are now ridiculous and immoral. Shame on you Jimmy Hill Saints n Winners
  • Score: 6

1:36pm Thu 31 Jul 14

SaintMiddleton says...

thanks for clearing that up daily echo i was struggling....... not
thanks for clearing that up daily echo i was struggling....... not SaintMiddleton
  • Score: 11

1:48pm Thu 31 Jul 14

saintbobby says...

A good summary of the last horrible weeks.

I reckon we all got the impression that AL was off with his non-committal attitude about himself at the end of the season.

I have said before the World Cup caused us big problems with all the whispers and nudges out in Brazil. It is useless now to advise what we should have done and anyway, we don't sit in the Board room. Apart from anything else, it seemed that the fan base just didn't exist and that was disheartening, at the least. Should have kept us informed much more.

Then, is there not another problem in that English stars are commanding huge wages - very important and stuff loyalty and any contract. Me, Me is the important one.

England collapsed in the World Cup. My view is that the Premier League has a lot to answer for.

There are 20 clubs, let's say 30 in each squad - that is 600. Probably at least half of these are foreign and therefore the potential 300 for selection for England is not that big. The national team has struggled for a long time and will in the future until we get a much bigger English player base.

Others often say there are too many foreigners! In the Premier League perhaps there are!
A good summary of the last horrible weeks. I reckon we all got the impression that AL was off with his non-committal attitude about himself at the end of the season. I have said before the World Cup caused us big problems with all the whispers and nudges out in Brazil. It is useless now to advise what we should have done and anyway, we don't sit in the Board room. Apart from anything else, it seemed that the fan base just didn't exist and that was disheartening, at the least. Should have kept us informed much more. Then, is there not another problem in that English stars are commanding huge wages - very important and stuff loyalty and any contract. Me, Me is the important one. England collapsed in the World Cup. My view is that the Premier League has a lot to answer for. There are 20 clubs, let's say 30 in each squad - that is 600. Probably at least half of these are foreign and therefore the potential 300 for selection for England is not that big. The national team has struggled for a long time and will in the future until we get a much bigger English player base. Others often say there are too many foreigners! In the Premier League perhaps there are! saintbobby
  • Score: 1

1:59pm Thu 31 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
Letting assets rot in the reserves is still a good strategy if it stops the club in question imploding. Clough and the like let assets rot in the reserves - but in those days the players and money weren't king. There were more role models; players stayed at clubs longer; and people in the game had more quality about them.

Clubs now will do anything to get success; including changing the rule books against other clubs ; sign up kids at six or seven years age; pay off parent mortgages; and pay teenagers 100k week.

I would have been delighted to hear that Shaw's wage demands were rejected by all tendering clubs - but they weren't - and his demands now make Cashley Cole's demands seem quite ordinary

I truly believe Shaw's new wages at MU have caused SFC untold problems.

Bring back the wage cap. Wages are now ridiculous and immoral. Shame on you Jimmy Hill
And do you want that cap on every job and profession in the country? World?
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: Letting assets rot in the reserves is still a good strategy if it stops the club in question imploding. Clough and the like let assets rot in the reserves - but in those days the players and money weren't king. There were more role models; players stayed at clubs longer; and people in the game had more quality about them. Clubs now will do anything to get success; including changing the rule books against other clubs ; sign up kids at six or seven years age; pay off parent mortgages; and pay teenagers 100k week. I would have been delighted to hear that Shaw's wage demands were rejected by all tendering clubs - but they weren't - and his demands now make Cashley Cole's demands seem quite ordinary I truly believe Shaw's new wages at MU have caused SFC untold problems. Bring back the wage cap. Wages are now ridiculous and immoral. Shame on you Jimmy Hill[/p][/quote]And do you want that cap on every job and profession in the country? World? george chivers
  • Score: 2

2:15pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Jesus_02 says...

george chivers wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Letting assets rot in the reserves is still a good strategy if it stops the club in question imploding. Clough and the like let assets rot in the reserves - but in those days the players and money weren't king. There were more role models; players stayed at clubs longer; and people in the game had more quality about them.

Clubs now will do anything to get success; including changing the rule books against other clubs ; sign up kids at six or seven years age; pay off parent mortgages; and pay teenagers 100k week.

I would have been delighted to hear that Shaw's wage demands were rejected by all tendering clubs - but they weren't - and his demands now make Cashley Cole's demands seem quite ordinary

I truly believe Shaw's new wages at MU have caused SFC untold problems.

Bring back the wage cap. Wages are now ridiculous and immoral. Shame on you Jimmy Hill
And do you want that cap on every job and profession in the country? World?
When luke shaw is getting 50x the priministers wage any sane person needs to ask the question of how to resolve such disparities in terms of general economics if nothing else.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: Letting assets rot in the reserves is still a good strategy if it stops the club in question imploding. Clough and the like let assets rot in the reserves - but in those days the players and money weren't king. There were more role models; players stayed at clubs longer; and people in the game had more quality about them. Clubs now will do anything to get success; including changing the rule books against other clubs ; sign up kids at six or seven years age; pay off parent mortgages; and pay teenagers 100k week. I would have been delighted to hear that Shaw's wage demands were rejected by all tendering clubs - but they weren't - and his demands now make Cashley Cole's demands seem quite ordinary I truly believe Shaw's new wages at MU have caused SFC untold problems. Bring back the wage cap. Wages are now ridiculous and immoral. Shame on you Jimmy Hill[/p][/quote]And do you want that cap on every job and profession in the country? World?[/p][/quote]When luke shaw is getting 50x the priministers wage any sane person needs to ask the question of how to resolve such disparities in terms of general economics if nothing else. Jesus_02
  • Score: 7

2:21pm Thu 31 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Despite RK's statement this week, which was encouraging ,we still lack a medium/long term plan from the owner. RK has said the club is not up for sale but in what time frame?

Will we always have a policy with the current management team in place, to sell players who attract premium price bids? And replace them with cheaper players?

What are our goals in terms of achievement?

League position?

Success in Cups?

Last season we didn't field our strongest side against Sunderland in the FA Cup and lost. In a season when we could have made the Final. Was that a decision made by the manager or the board/owner because of the cost of entering the Europa Cup? Or because they expected the team to be broken up and sold?

(I said on these threads in January I expected up to 6 players to be sold at the end of the season and was ridiculed.)

These are the questions that frustrate fans when they don't get answers. Can we have some answers please?

As I have said many times before with our stadium of 32,0000 we can never be serious contenders for the top four. If that is the case what are we trying to achieve?

Can somebody in authority tell me please?

P.S.

There are also a few more people who would like know as well as me.
Despite RK's statement this week, which was encouraging ,we still lack a medium/long term plan from the owner. RK has said the club is not up for sale but in what time frame? Will we always have a policy with the current management team in place, to sell players who attract premium price bids? And replace them with cheaper players? What are our goals in terms of achievement? League position? Success in Cups? Last season we didn't field our strongest side against Sunderland in the FA Cup and lost. In a season when we could have made the Final. Was that a decision made by the manager or the board/owner because of the cost of entering the Europa Cup? Or because they expected the team to be broken up and sold? (I said on these threads in January I expected up to 6 players to be sold at the end of the season and was ridiculed.) These are the questions that frustrate fans when they don't get answers. Can we have some answers please? As I have said many times before with our stadium of 32,0000 we can never be serious contenders for the top four. If that is the case what are we trying to achieve? Can somebody in authority tell me please? P.S. There are also a few more people who would like know as well as me. george chivers
  • Score: 2

2:27pm Thu 31 Jul 14

bullsbags says...

george chivers wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Letting assets rot in the reserves is still a good strategy if it stops the club in question imploding. Clough and the like let assets rot in the reserves - but in those days the players and money weren't king. There were more role models; players stayed at clubs longer; and people in the game had more quality about them.

Clubs now will do anything to get success; including changing the rule books against other clubs ; sign up kids at six or seven years age; pay off parent mortgages; and pay teenagers 100k week.

I would have been delighted to hear that Shaw's wage demands were rejected by all tendering clubs - but they weren't - and his demands now make Cashley Cole's demands seem quite ordinary

I truly believe Shaw's new wages at MU have caused SFC untold problems.

Bring back the wage cap. Wages are now ridiculous and immoral. Shame on you Jimmy Hill
And do you want that cap on every job and profession in the country? World?
No just ones where retards earn tens of thousands a week to kick a ball
Salary cap in rugby,by and large it works well
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: Letting assets rot in the reserves is still a good strategy if it stops the club in question imploding. Clough and the like let assets rot in the reserves - but in those days the players and money weren't king. There were more role models; players stayed at clubs longer; and people in the game had more quality about them. Clubs now will do anything to get success; including changing the rule books against other clubs ; sign up kids at six or seven years age; pay off parent mortgages; and pay teenagers 100k week. I would have been delighted to hear that Shaw's wage demands were rejected by all tendering clubs - but they weren't - and his demands now make Cashley Cole's demands seem quite ordinary I truly believe Shaw's new wages at MU have caused SFC untold problems. Bring back the wage cap. Wages are now ridiculous and immoral. Shame on you Jimmy Hill[/p][/quote]And do you want that cap on every job and profession in the country? World?[/p][/quote]No just ones where retards earn tens of thousands a week to kick a ball Salary cap in rugby,by and large it works well bullsbags
  • Score: 4

3:04pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Jesus_02 says...

To answer the question. Complete lack of Football Track record at board level.

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To answer the question. Complete lack of Football Track record at board level. http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/sport/1122830 5.Just_who_is_Les_Re ed_/ Jesus_02
  • Score: 1

3:09pm Thu 31 Jul 14

BracknellSaint says...

Much better article than the 3 or more wind up pieces on here today...
Much better article than the 3 or more wind up pieces on here today... BracknellSaint
  • Score: -1

3:33pm Thu 31 Jul 14

saint christopher says...

Please stop.

DE is like the sparrow who comes down after the vultures have already stripped the carcass clean and hops around pretending to finish the job.

Endlessly going over old theories and regurgitating statements continuously qualified with "perhaps, alledgedly, impossible to know for certain, blah blah blah" achieves nothing and simply gets the doom-mongers going again.

We have a great manager and a good quality team that will almost certainly be considerably strengthened over the next couple of weeks. Let please leave it at that and leave any judgement until we've got the first few games under our belt.
Please stop. DE is like the sparrow who comes down after the vultures have already stripped the carcass clean and hops around pretending to finish the job. Endlessly going over old theories and regurgitating statements continuously qualified with "perhaps, alledgedly, impossible to know for certain, blah blah blah" achieves nothing and simply gets the doom-mongers going again. We have a great manager and a good quality team that will almost certainly be considerably strengthened over the next couple of weeks. Let please leave it at that and leave any judgement until we've got the first few games under our belt. saint christopher
  • Score: 0

3:35pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Alicesdad says...

Meanwhile on a Mediterranean island a billionnaire is sitting with Nicola and pondering an insurance claim for his sunken yacht.

"So you still think they will sell?" ....
"Probably " came the muted response.
"PROBABLY!! I don't deal in PROBABLY I want "YES" I want "DEFINITELY" he fumed.

"It this Schneiderlin issue.. if they hang on to him until January they may make a good start to the season and he might change his mind. The other problem is they migth just get a big name to join, if that happens there will be bigger problems, same thing with Rodrigues, if he comes back and plays well the position will look considerably brighter from their perspective and the owners may not sell"

"So what do you propose we do?"

"Same as we are now... leak a few duff stories to the press to stir things up, try to persuade agents that selling to the club isnt a good idea and try to get as many players to leave as possible, then try to make the board look as useless as possible. Sooner or later the owner will get fed up with it all ..... "

"But that is getting harder and harder. Krueger has manned up of late, Reed is still wheeling and dealing and Koemans contacts are starting to show results... and lets face it she quite likes going to the matches "

"Leave it to me..."

"You need to sort this out" he boomed " if I dont get this club, you will never be involved in football again, trust me "

"Maybe ...." ,, came the familiar confident smiling reply " Maybe ...."

The billionaire texted a message to his helicopter pilot, "Start it up" I feel like a trip over to Monaco ......Nicola, you can get the ferry .... Yeesh that boat being sunk is such a nuisance, must get another one soon. "


Back in Southampton the red headed yacht saboteur smiled .. "The tide is turning in my favoiur" he pondered "as soon as my new boys start showing what they are capable of then this club will be safe" He pondered further about his planned press conference announcing a very big signing indeed "If only they knew" he chuckled " if only they knew"

....... to be continued...
Meanwhile on a Mediterranean island a billionnaire is sitting with Nicola and pondering an insurance claim for his sunken yacht. "So you still think they will sell?" .... "Probably " came the muted response. "PROBABLY!! I don't deal in PROBABLY I want "YES" I want "DEFINITELY" he fumed. "It this Schneiderlin issue.. if they hang on to him until January they may make a good start to the season and he might change his mind. The other problem is they migth just get a big name to join, if that happens there will be bigger problems, same thing with Rodrigues, if he comes back and plays well the position will look considerably brighter from their perspective and the owners may not sell" "So what do you propose we do?" "Same as we are now... leak a few duff stories to the press to stir things up, try to persuade agents that selling to the club isnt a good idea and try to get as many players to leave as possible, then try to make the board look as useless as possible. Sooner or later the owner will get fed up with it all ..... " "But that is getting harder and harder. Krueger has manned up of late, Reed is still wheeling and dealing and Koemans contacts are starting to show results... and lets face it she quite likes going to the matches " "Leave it to me..." "You need to sort this out" he boomed " if I dont get this club, you will never be involved in football again, trust me " "Maybe ...." ,, came the familiar confident smiling reply " Maybe ...." The billionaire texted a message to his helicopter pilot, "Start it up" I feel like a trip over to Monaco ......Nicola, you can get the ferry .... Yeesh that boat being sunk is such a nuisance, must get another one soon. " Back in Southampton the red headed yacht saboteur smiled .. "The tide is turning in my favoiur" he pondered "as soon as my new boys start showing what they are capable of then this club will be safe" He pondered further about his planned press conference announcing a very big signing indeed "If only they knew" he chuckled " if only they knew" ....... to be continued... Alicesdad
  • Score: 5

3:39pm Thu 31 Jul 14

mrtein says...

Unless people have facts - best to stop digging over this summers events. Move and lets finish rebuilding.
Unless people have facts - best to stop digging over this summers events. Move and lets finish rebuilding. mrtein
  • Score: 0

4:29pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Buddy SFC says...

george chivers wrote:
Despite RK's statement this week, which was encouraging ,we still lack a medium/long term plan from the owner. RK has said the club is not up for sale but in what time frame?

Will we always have a policy with the current management team in place, to sell players who attract premium price bids? And replace them with cheaper players?

What are our goals in terms of achievement?

League position?

Success in Cups?

Last season we didn't field our strongest side against Sunderland in the FA Cup and lost. In a season when we could have made the Final. Was that a decision made by the manager or the board/owner because of the cost of entering the Europa Cup? Or because they expected the team to be broken up and sold?

(I said on these threads in January I expected up to 6 players to be sold at the end of the season and was ridiculed.)

These are the questions that frustrate fans when they don't get answers. Can we have some answers please?

As I have said many times before with our stadium of 32,0000 we can never be serious contenders for the top four. If that is the case what are we trying to achieve?

Can somebody in authority tell me please?

P.S.

There are also a few more people who would like know as well as me.
1. We can't fill 32,000 errrrrrrrr so what size of empty stadium do you want ?
2. After the Summer we have had, until we have the new signings how can we effectively plan for say a top 10 finish ?
3. The manager told us all that he made the decision to play a sub standard side and cost SFC a good chance of a FA Cup final !
4. Anyone with a brain new if MoPo left as was clear on his career plan as is leaving Totton Ham for a Top 6 World club within the next 2 years was that a number of players would leave. The only surprise was Sir Rickie ...........

So whose at fault , well in my book Football and the mess FIFA and the FA have made of it ..........
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Despite RK's statement this week, which was encouraging ,we still lack a medium/long term plan from the owner. RK has said the club is not up for sale but in what time frame? Will we always have a policy with the current management team in place, to sell players who attract premium price bids? And replace them with cheaper players? What are our goals in terms of achievement? League position? Success in Cups? Last season we didn't field our strongest side against Sunderland in the FA Cup and lost. In a season when we could have made the Final. Was that a decision made by the manager or the board/owner because of the cost of entering the Europa Cup? Or because they expected the team to be broken up and sold? (I said on these threads in January I expected up to 6 players to be sold at the end of the season and was ridiculed.) These are the questions that frustrate fans when they don't get answers. Can we have some answers please? As I have said many times before with our stadium of 32,0000 we can never be serious contenders for the top four. If that is the case what are we trying to achieve? Can somebody in authority tell me please? P.S. There are also a few more people who would like know as well as me.[/p][/quote]1. We can't fill 32,000 errrrrrrrr so what size of empty stadium do you want ? 2. After the Summer we have had, until we have the new signings how can we effectively plan for say a top 10 finish ? 3. The manager told us all that he made the decision to play a sub standard side and cost SFC a good chance of a FA Cup final ! 4. Anyone with a brain new if MoPo left as was clear on his career plan as is leaving Totton Ham for a Top 6 World club within the next 2 years was that a number of players would leave. The only surprise was Sir Rickie ........... So whose at fault , well in my book Football and the mess FIFA and the FA have made of it .......... Buddy SFC
  • Score: 1

5:24pm Thu 31 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Despite RK's statement this week, which was encouraging ,we still lack a medium/long term plan from the owner. RK has said the club is not up for sale but in what time frame?

Will we always have a policy with the current management team in place, to sell players who attract premium price bids? And replace them with cheaper players?

What are our goals in terms of achievement?

League position?

Success in Cups?

Last season we didn't field our strongest side against Sunderland in the FA Cup and lost. In a season when we could have made the Final. Was that a decision made by the manager or the board/owner because of the cost of entering the Europa Cup? Or because they expected the team to be broken up and sold?

(I said on these threads in January I expected up to 6 players to be sold at the end of the season and was ridiculed.)

These are the questions that frustrate fans when they don't get answers. Can we have some answers please?

As I have said many times before with our stadium of 32,0000 we can never be serious contenders for the top four. If that is the case what are we trying to achieve?

Can somebody in authority tell me please?

P.S.

There are also a few more people who would like know as well as me.
1. We can't fill 32,000 errrrrrrrr so what size of empty stadium do you want ?
2. After the Summer we have had, until we have the new signings how can we effectively plan for say a top 10 finish ?
3. The manager told us all that he made the decision to play a sub standard side and cost SFC a good chance of a FA Cup final !
4. Anyone with a brain new if MoPo left as was clear on his career plan as is leaving Totton Ham for a Top 6 World club within the next 2 years was that a number of players would leave. The only surprise was Sir Rickie ...........

So whose at fault , well in my book Football and the mess FIFA and the FA have made of it ..........
My point Buddy SFC is, if they can't answer these questions now and say what the goals are they are managing under false pretences.

I don't mind what the answers are but those questions do need to be answered. But if they can't come out with a statement then they are not managing the club, they are just selling players when they get premium price offers and are going make something up when they see what they have bought in come September 1st.

If you don't know where you are going any road will get you there.

Managing without objectives.
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Despite RK's statement this week, which was encouraging ,we still lack a medium/long term plan from the owner. RK has said the club is not up for sale but in what time frame? Will we always have a policy with the current management team in place, to sell players who attract premium price bids? And replace them with cheaper players? What are our goals in terms of achievement? League position? Success in Cups? Last season we didn't field our strongest side against Sunderland in the FA Cup and lost. In a season when we could have made the Final. Was that a decision made by the manager or the board/owner because of the cost of entering the Europa Cup? Or because they expected the team to be broken up and sold? (I said on these threads in January I expected up to 6 players to be sold at the end of the season and was ridiculed.) These are the questions that frustrate fans when they don't get answers. Can we have some answers please? As I have said many times before with our stadium of 32,0000 we can never be serious contenders for the top four. If that is the case what are we trying to achieve? Can somebody in authority tell me please? P.S. There are also a few more people who would like know as well as me.[/p][/quote]1. We can't fill 32,000 errrrrrrrr so what size of empty stadium do you want ? 2. After the Summer we have had, until we have the new signings how can we effectively plan for say a top 10 finish ? 3. The manager told us all that he made the decision to play a sub standard side and cost SFC a good chance of a FA Cup final ! 4. Anyone with a brain new if MoPo left as was clear on his career plan as is leaving Totton Ham for a Top 6 World club within the next 2 years was that a number of players would leave. The only surprise was Sir Rickie ........... So whose at fault , well in my book Football and the mess FIFA and the FA have made of it ..........[/p][/quote]My point Buddy SFC is, if they can't answer these questions now and say what the goals are they are managing under false pretences. I don't mind what the answers are but those questions do need to be answered. But if they can't come out with a statement then they are not managing the club, they are just selling players when they get premium price offers and are going make something up when they see what they have bought in come September 1st. If you don't know where you are going any road will get you there. Managing without objectives. george chivers
  • Score: 0

5:57pm Thu 31 Jul 14

befriendly says...

Saints 32000, M U 65000. half the income equals half the wages or even less when you add in merchandising. I'm certain a lot of you would stay loyal to where you worked when offered double the money from another company. Ask any club owner how much money he is prepared to throw at his team in order to win the league and you'll only come up with perhaps two or three. Most clubs are run to at least break even or only lose a couple of million each year. How many clubs in all divisions had financial difficulties last year and how many are now up for sale. The rich clubs will buy the best players and managers regardless of the players contracts. Cortese was taking advantage of Marcus's dream, while Katherine is more business like about it, so Cortese jumped ship, while Pinochio was looking after number one and dreaming of Barcelona or Real Madrid. The saints reserves up north had dreams of champions league football for this year, but without Gnasher they may be below the Saints next year, or at least I hope so.
Saints 32000, M U 65000. half the income equals half the wages or even less when you add in merchandising. I'm certain a lot of you would stay loyal to where you worked when offered double the money from another company. Ask any club owner how much money he is prepared to throw at his team in order to win the league and you'll only come up with perhaps two or three. Most clubs are run to at least break even or only lose a couple of million each year. How many clubs in all divisions had financial difficulties last year and how many are now up for sale. The rich clubs will buy the best players and managers regardless of the players contracts. Cortese was taking advantage of Marcus's dream, while Katherine is more business like about it, so Cortese jumped ship, while Pinochio was looking after number one and dreaming of Barcelona or Real Madrid. The saints reserves up north had dreams of champions league football for this year, but without Gnasher they may be below the Saints next year, or at least I hope so. befriendly
  • Score: 3

6:03pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

george chivers wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Letting assets rot in the reserves is still a good strategy if it stops the club in question imploding. Clough and the like let assets rot in the reserves - but in those days the players and money weren't king. There were more role models; players stayed at clubs longer; and people in the game had more quality about them.

Clubs now will do anything to get success; including changing the rule books against other clubs ; sign up kids at six or seven years age; pay off parent mortgages; and pay teenagers 100k week.

I would have been delighted to hear that Shaw's wage demands were rejected by all tendering clubs - but they weren't - and his demands now make Cashley Cole's demands seem quite ordinary

I truly believe Shaw's new wages at MU have caused SFC untold problems.

Bring back the wage cap. Wages are now ridiculous and immoral. Shame on you Jimmy Hill
And do you want that cap on every job and profession in the country? World?
No.

Do surgeons, or politicians, or engineers, or scientists earn 150 - 300k a week?

It has got to a point where it is now silly. footballers earning silly money while loads of food banks popup all over the country, and fans struggle to watch a game. Where is it going to end?
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: Letting assets rot in the reserves is still a good strategy if it stops the club in question imploding. Clough and the like let assets rot in the reserves - but in those days the players and money weren't king. There were more role models; players stayed at clubs longer; and people in the game had more quality about them. Clubs now will do anything to get success; including changing the rule books against other clubs ; sign up kids at six or seven years age; pay off parent mortgages; and pay teenagers 100k week. I would have been delighted to hear that Shaw's wage demands were rejected by all tendering clubs - but they weren't - and his demands now make Cashley Cole's demands seem quite ordinary I truly believe Shaw's new wages at MU have caused SFC untold problems. Bring back the wage cap. Wages are now ridiculous and immoral. Shame on you Jimmy Hill[/p][/quote]And do you want that cap on every job and profession in the country? World?[/p][/quote]No. Do surgeons, or politicians, or engineers, or scientists earn 150 - 300k a week? It has got to a point where it is now silly. footballers earning silly money while loads of food banks popup all over the country, and fans struggle to watch a game. Where is it going to end? Saints n Winners
  • Score: 1

6:08pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Letting assets rot in the reserves is still a good strategy if it stops the club in question imploding. Clough and the like let assets rot in the reserves - but in those days the players and money weren't king. There were more role models; players stayed at clubs longer; and people in the game had more quality about them.

Clubs now will do anything to get success; including changing the rule books against other clubs ; sign up kids at six or seven years age; pay off parent mortgages; and pay teenagers 100k week.

I would have been delighted to hear that Shaw's wage demands were rejected by all tendering clubs - but they weren't - and his demands now make Cashley Cole's demands seem quite ordinary

I truly believe Shaw's new wages at MU have caused SFC untold problems.

Bring back the wage cap. Wages are now ridiculous and immoral. Shame on you Jimmy Hill
And do you want that cap on every job and profession in the country? World?
When luke shaw is getting 50x the priministers wage any sane person needs to ask the question of how to resolve such disparities in terms of general economics if nothing else.
I looked at a video the other day, showing the wealth disparity in the USA. Its much the same as in the UK. It really made me think.

http://www.whydontyo
utrythis.com/2013/03
/wealth-inequality-i
n-america-video-info
graphic.html

Football wages are out of control.
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: Letting assets rot in the reserves is still a good strategy if it stops the club in question imploding. Clough and the like let assets rot in the reserves - but in those days the players and money weren't king. There were more role models; players stayed at clubs longer; and people in the game had more quality about them. Clubs now will do anything to get success; including changing the rule books against other clubs ; sign up kids at six or seven years age; pay off parent mortgages; and pay teenagers 100k week. I would have been delighted to hear that Shaw's wage demands were rejected by all tendering clubs - but they weren't - and his demands now make Cashley Cole's demands seem quite ordinary I truly believe Shaw's new wages at MU have caused SFC untold problems. Bring back the wage cap. Wages are now ridiculous and immoral. Shame on you Jimmy Hill[/p][/quote]And do you want that cap on every job and profession in the country? World?[/p][/quote]When luke shaw is getting 50x the priministers wage any sane person needs to ask the question of how to resolve such disparities in terms of general economics if nothing else.[/p][/quote]I looked at a video the other day, showing the wealth disparity in the USA. Its much the same as in the UK. It really made me think. http://www.whydontyo utrythis.com/2013/03 /wealth-inequality-i n-america-video-info graphic.html Football wages are out of control. Saints n Winners
  • Score: 1

10:44pm Thu 31 Jul 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

So what I am gauging from this article besides some questionable management decisions, is that a team which isn't a shoe in for the top four and performs higher than expected do so at their own peril. They risk the temptation of selling out to big money and also if they are held up to their contract, risk players being unhappy / not performing when they don't get their 'dream move' to teams that have a shot at cup glory. Seemingly for a team like Southampton, the new school reality of the EPL is to embrace mediocrity, and be too scared to have aspirations of taking a 'lower team' to the top, because inevitably the team will likely get ripped apart by the top four and their over flowing coffers. The league in this case seems negative to up and coming teams. The temptation of the obscene amount of money getting thrown around would be hard for any management structure to ignore. Don't get me wrong, if the money is re-invested wisely it is a good thing, but every year transfer records are being broken with no limit in sight. My feeling is that there should be some kind of regulated wage and transfer structure across the board. Something needs to be done because the current set up seems to be spiralling out of control.
So what I am gauging from this article besides some questionable management decisions, is that a team which isn't a shoe in for the top four and performs higher than expected do so at their own peril. They risk the temptation of selling out to big money and also if they are held up to their contract, risk players being unhappy / not performing when they don't get their 'dream move' to teams that have a shot at cup glory. Seemingly for a team like Southampton, the new school reality of the EPL is to embrace mediocrity, and be too scared to have aspirations of taking a 'lower team' to the top, because inevitably the team will likely get ripped apart by the top four and their over flowing coffers. The league in this case seems negative to up and coming teams. The temptation of the obscene amount of money getting thrown around would be hard for any management structure to ignore. Don't get me wrong, if the money is re-invested wisely it is a good thing, but every year transfer records are being broken with no limit in sight. My feeling is that there should be some kind of regulated wage and transfer structure across the board. Something needs to be done because the current set up seems to be spiralling out of control. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 1

6:29am Fri 1 Aug 14

Rupert Lowe's Backside says...

befriendly wrote:
Saints 32000, M U 65000. half the income equals half the wages or even less when you add in merchandising. I'm certain a lot of you would stay loyal to where you worked when offered double the money from another company. Ask any club owner how much money he is prepared to throw at his team in order to win the league and you'll only come up with perhaps two or three. Most clubs are run to at least break even or only lose a couple of million each year. How many clubs in all divisions had financial difficulties last year and how many are now up for sale. The rich clubs will buy the best players and managers regardless of the players contracts. Cortese was taking advantage of Marcus's dream, while Katherine is more business like about it, so Cortese jumped ship, while Pinochio was looking after number one and dreaming of Barcelona or Real Madrid. The saints reserves up north had dreams of champions league football for this year, but without Gnasher they may be below the Saints next year, or at least I hope so.
I will continue to say it again and again on this forum;

Gordon Gekko: "Its all about bucks kid, the rest is conversation"

65,000 seater v 32,000 seater
750 mil from adidas v home brand kit

You do the math!!
[quote][p][bold]befriendly[/bold] wrote: Saints 32000, M U 65000. half the income equals half the wages or even less when you add in merchandising. I'm certain a lot of you would stay loyal to where you worked when offered double the money from another company. Ask any club owner how much money he is prepared to throw at his team in order to win the league and you'll only come up with perhaps two or three. Most clubs are run to at least break even or only lose a couple of million each year. How many clubs in all divisions had financial difficulties last year and how many are now up for sale. The rich clubs will buy the best players and managers regardless of the players contracts. Cortese was taking advantage of Marcus's dream, while Katherine is more business like about it, so Cortese jumped ship, while Pinochio was looking after number one and dreaming of Barcelona or Real Madrid. The saints reserves up north had dreams of champions league football for this year, but without Gnasher they may be below the Saints next year, or at least I hope so.[/p][/quote]I will continue to say it again and again on this forum; Gordon Gekko: "Its all about bucks kid, the rest is conversation" 65,000 seater v 32,000 seater 750 mil from adidas v home brand kit You do the math!! Rupert Lowe's Backside
  • Score: 0

7:34am Fri 1 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Rupert Lowe's Backside wrote:
befriendly wrote:
Saints 32000, M U 65000. half the income equals half the wages or even less when you add in merchandising. I'm certain a lot of you would stay loyal to where you worked when offered double the money from another company. Ask any club owner how much money he is prepared to throw at his team in order to win the league and you'll only come up with perhaps two or three. Most clubs are run to at least break even or only lose a couple of million each year. How many clubs in all divisions had financial difficulties last year and how many are now up for sale. The rich clubs will buy the best players and managers regardless of the players contracts. Cortese was taking advantage of Marcus's dream, while Katherine is more business like about it, so Cortese jumped ship, while Pinochio was looking after number one and dreaming of Barcelona or Real Madrid. The saints reserves up north had dreams of champions league football for this year, but without Gnasher they may be below the Saints next year, or at least I hope so.
I will continue to say it again and again on this forum;

Gordon Gekko: "Its all about bucks kid, the rest is conversation"

65,000 seater v 32,000 seater
750 mil from adidas v home brand kit

You do the math!!
Sounds nice, but MU are way ahead of us. They didn't just make the stadium bigger overnight, or suddenly increase merchandise output to get where they are. Growth of a club starts with consistent results on the pitch, attracting fans and growing the name of the club world wide to increase merchandise sales.
[quote][p][bold]Rupert Lowe's Backside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]befriendly[/bold] wrote: Saints 32000, M U 65000. half the income equals half the wages or even less when you add in merchandising. I'm certain a lot of you would stay loyal to where you worked when offered double the money from another company. Ask any club owner how much money he is prepared to throw at his team in order to win the league and you'll only come up with perhaps two or three. Most clubs are run to at least break even or only lose a couple of million each year. How many clubs in all divisions had financial difficulties last year and how many are now up for sale. The rich clubs will buy the best players and managers regardless of the players contracts. Cortese was taking advantage of Marcus's dream, while Katherine is more business like about it, so Cortese jumped ship, while Pinochio was looking after number one and dreaming of Barcelona or Real Madrid. The saints reserves up north had dreams of champions league football for this year, but without Gnasher they may be below the Saints next year, or at least I hope so.[/p][/quote]I will continue to say it again and again on this forum; Gordon Gekko: "Its all about bucks kid, the rest is conversation" 65,000 seater v 32,000 seater 750 mil from adidas v home brand kit You do the math!![/p][/quote]Sounds nice, but MU are way ahead of us. They didn't just make the stadium bigger overnight, or suddenly increase merchandise output to get where they are. Growth of a club starts with consistent results on the pitch, attracting fans and growing the name of the club world wide to increase merchandise sales. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 0

8:41am Fri 1 Aug 14

Saintsincethe60s says...

Don't forget that years ago there wss a more level financial playing field when gate money was shared, so for example when we played Man U up there we shared their 60,000 gate receipts, and when we played them at the Dell they shared our 15,000 gate receipts.
surely if this system was in place now then that could be classed as another form of FFP, as all clubs would have similar incomes?
I'm sure some of you good people will pull it apart but its a thought
Don't forget that years ago there wss a more level financial playing field when gate money was shared, so for example when we played Man U up there we shared their 60,000 gate receipts, and when we played them at the Dell they shared our 15,000 gate receipts. surely if this system was in place now then that could be classed as another form of FFP, as all clubs would have similar incomes? I'm sure some of you good people will pull it apart but its a thought Saintsincethe60s
  • Score: 3

2:18am Sat 2 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Saintsincethe60s wrote:
Don't forget that years ago there wss a more level financial playing field when gate money was shared, so for example when we played Man U up there we shared their 60,000 gate receipts, and when we played them at the Dell they shared our 15,000 gate receipts.
surely if this system was in place now then that could be classed as another form of FFP, as all clubs would have similar incomes?
I'm sure some of you good people will pull it apart but its a thought
No, I think that is a good idea.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsincethe60s[/bold] wrote: Don't forget that years ago there wss a more level financial playing field when gate money was shared, so for example when we played Man U up there we shared their 60,000 gate receipts, and when we played them at the Dell they shared our 15,000 gate receipts. surely if this system was in place now then that could be classed as another form of FFP, as all clubs would have similar incomes? I'm sure some of you good people will pull it apart but its a thought[/p][/quote]No, I think that is a good idea. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 0

3:02pm Sat 2 Aug 14

scorpioeyes says...

everything stemmed from cortese leaving. the writing was on the wall when he left.If the owner wanted to,she could have enabled us to push on. She obviously lacks Ncs ambition. Sure,the family has invested a lot,but it is peanuts compared to their overall wealth.
I predict she will sell within a year or so and we will have a rlegation batle this season.
everything stemmed from cortese leaving. the writing was on the wall when he left.If the owner wanted to,she could have enabled us to push on. She obviously lacks Ncs ambition. Sure,the family has invested a lot,but it is peanuts compared to their overall wealth. I predict she will sell within a year or so and we will have a rlegation batle this season. scorpioeyes
  • Score: -1

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