RUMOUR MILL, August 3 - Koeman linked with £9m move for Jack Rodwell

Man City midfielder and rumoured Saints target Jack Rodwell in action for England against Sweden

Man City midfielder and rumoured Saints target Jack Rodwell in action for England against Sweden

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SAINTS are being linked with a £9m switch for Manchester City’s forgotten midfielder Jack Rodwell.

The 23-year-old has only started seven Premier League games since a £12m move from Everton in the summer of 2012.

Rafa Benitez is reportedly also keen to add Rodwell to his Napoli squad, with West Bromwich Albion also linked.

Rodwell has won three England caps, the last during a 2-2 draw with Brazil in the summer of 2013.

Saints boss Ronald Koeman is also being linked with Manchester United wingers Wilfried Zaha or Ashley Young.

But Zaha is also wanted by QPR, West Ham and former club Crystal Palace.

Koeman, who is also keen on Norwich’s Nathan Redmond, is keen to play with wingers.

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1:54pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Gormzzz says...

Rodwell, Redmond and Zaha would all be good signings. Would keep Roy coming to St. Mary's too along with J Rod, Clyne, JWP.. Sky Sports paper talk says we're looking at Jack Butland too, would be a better option than Forster I reckon.
Rodwell, Redmond and Zaha would all be good signings. Would keep Roy coming to St. Mary's too along with J Rod, Clyne, JWP.. Sky Sports paper talk says we're looking at Jack Butland too, would be a better option than Forster I reckon. Gormzzz
  • Score: 5

1:54pm Sun 3 Aug 14

christian-saint says...

2or 3 signing this weekend said Ronald... I am worrying a little bit :(
2or 3 signing this weekend said Ronald... I am worrying a little bit :( christian-saint
  • Score: -24

1:59pm Sun 3 Aug 14

christian-saint says...

And a couple of loans doesn't count as signings for me. Worried if we get Scheletto on loan sounds carp and Butland on loan also wouldn't be as good as actually spending some of that money we have been told by Krueger will be used.
And a couple of loans doesn't count as signings for me. Worried if we get Scheletto on loan sounds carp and Butland on loan also wouldn't be as good as actually spending some of that money we have been told by Krueger will be used. christian-saint
  • Score: -19

2:01pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

christian-saint wrote:
2or 3 signing this weekend said Ronald... I am worrying a little bit :(
Steady, hold your nerve.....
[quote][p][bold]christian-saint[/bold] wrote: 2or 3 signing this weekend said Ronald... I am worrying a little bit :([/p][/quote]Steady, hold your nerve..... Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 29

2:02pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Tony in Liberia says...

If we get loans with a fixed buying clause, that can only be good for us - if they turn out carp, we haven't wasted the money on buying them. Wouldn't we be happy if we'd got Osvaldo on loan with a fcuk-off clause inserted ...
If we get loans with a fixed buying clause, that can only be good for us - if they turn out carp, we haven't wasted the money on buying them. Wouldn't we be happy if we'd got Osvaldo on loan with a fcuk-off clause inserted ... Tony in Liberia
  • Score: 57

2:06pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

I think this is a critical week for Saints. Although the transfer deadline is some time away, RK will surely want as may pieces in place by the time of the Leverkusen game. He will then be able to assess his team against quality opposition and work out where the gaps are - well, that's what I'd want to do anyway!

Does anybody else find typing on this site a total nightmare?!
I think this is a critical week for Saints. Although the transfer deadline is some time away, RK will surely want as may pieces in place by the time of the Leverkusen game. He will then be able to assess his team against quality opposition and work out where the gaps are - well, that's what I'd want to do anyway! Does anybody else find typing on this site a total nightmare?! Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 21

2:07pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

Sounds promising

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Sounds promising http://www.dailymail .co.uk/sport/footbal l/article-2714056/Ja vier-Hernandez-Wilfr ied-Zaha-Southampton -targets-70m-spree.h tml Frankie Bennett
  • Score: -6

2:15pm Sun 3 Aug 14

justaSaintsfan says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
I think this is a critical week for Saints. Although the transfer deadline is some time away, RK will surely want as may pieces in place by the time of the Leverkusen game. He will then be able to assess his team against quality opposition and work out where the gaps are - well, that's what I'd want to do anyway!

Does anybody else find typing on this site a total nightmare?!
No, I don't find typing on this site a total nightmare because it isn't even as good as that!
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: I think this is a critical week for Saints. Although the transfer deadline is some time away, RK will surely want as may pieces in place by the time of the Leverkusen game. He will then be able to assess his team against quality opposition and work out where the gaps are - well, that's what I'd want to do anyway! Does anybody else find typing on this site a total nightmare?![/p][/quote]No, I don't find typing on this site a total nightmare because it isn't even as good as that! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 22

2:20pm Sun 3 Aug 14

steekeemcglue says...

ashley young is rubbish. he is an over-rated diving cheat.... move on.... nothing to see here....
ashley young is rubbish. he is an over-rated diving cheat.... move on.... nothing to see here.... steekeemcglue
  • Score: 31

2:28pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Mush On The Beach says...

Rodwell and Zaha are prime examples of how the so called big clubs can offer young aspiring talent fool’s gold. These boys may boost their bank accounts with such moves to Manchester but they can pay a higher price back in lost time and stunted career development.
Rodwell was highly thought of at Everton, Zaha seems to polarise opinion with his attitude. They both have great natural talent and I think would be welcome additions, but I think we need a couple more senior player signings as well to help with team leadership .... We need to hit the ground running.
Rodwell and Zaha are prime examples of how the so called big clubs can offer young aspiring talent fool’s gold. These boys may boost their bank accounts with such moves to Manchester but they can pay a higher price back in lost time and stunted career development. Rodwell was highly thought of at Everton, Zaha seems to polarise opinion with his attitude. They both have great natural talent and I think would be welcome additions, but I think we need a couple more senior player signings as well to help with team leadership .... We need to hit the ground running. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 39

2:31pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
Rodwell and Zaha are prime examples of how the so called big clubs can offer young aspiring talent fool’s gold. These boys may boost their bank accounts with such moves to Manchester but they can pay a higher price back in lost time and stunted career development.
Rodwell was highly thought of at Everton, Zaha seems to polarise opinion with his attitude. They both have great natural talent and I think would be welcome additions, but I think we need a couple more senior player signings as well to help with team leadership .... We need to hit the ground running.
Totally agree, Scott Sinclair is another prime example. However I seem to remember the mot one-sided game last season against Cardiff I have ever seen only for Zaha to come on and totally bully us for 20 minutes. I like his direct approach and would welcome him - much more than Ashley Young who brings experience but is a gamble at 9 million for 29 year old.
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: Rodwell and Zaha are prime examples of how the so called big clubs can offer young aspiring talent fool’s gold. These boys may boost their bank accounts with such moves to Manchester but they can pay a higher price back in lost time and stunted career development. Rodwell was highly thought of at Everton, Zaha seems to polarise opinion with his attitude. They both have great natural talent and I think would be welcome additions, but I think we need a couple more senior player signings as well to help with team leadership .... We need to hit the ground running.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, Scott Sinclair is another prime example. However I seem to remember the mot one-sided game last season against Cardiff I have ever seen only for Zaha to come on and totally bully us for 20 minutes. I like his direct approach and would welcome him - much more than Ashley Young who brings experience but is a gamble at 9 million for 29 year old. Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 11

2:31pm Sun 3 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

BE FAIR TO KING RON !!!

Let's get some Players signed up and NOT LEAVE IT to the last minute.
BE FAIR TO KING RON !!! Let's get some Players signed up and NOT LEAVE IT to the last minute. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -8

2:35pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything. fascia123
  • Score: 32

2:42pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Dorssaints says...

Rodwell hasn't really played for 12 months and would be a big risk. He should not have taken the money and gone to city.
Rodwell hasn't really played for 12 months and would be a big risk. He should not have taken the money and gone to city. Dorssaints
  • Score: 11

2:54pm Sun 3 Aug 14

miltonarcher says...

Fed up hearing these paper stories. SFC linked with 5/6 players, why print this rubbish from the very same gutter press that contributed to destabilising our club.
Fed up hearing these paper stories. SFC linked with 5/6 players, why print this rubbish from the very same gutter press that contributed to destabilising our club. miltonarcher
  • Score: 18

3:08pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Invidia says...

We only need more midfielders if Morgan is leaving, It is the CB position that need strengthening, I hope that Celtic can let go of the two players we need. I will feel a o more comfortable if we strengthened our defence.
We only need more midfielders if Morgan is leaving, It is the CB position that need strengthening, I hope that Celtic can let go of the two players we need. I will feel a o more comfortable if we strengthened our defence. Invidia
  • Score: 27

3:12pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -5

3:14pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Invidia wrote:
We only need more midfielders if Morgan is leaving, It is the CB position that need strengthening, I hope that Celtic can let go of the two players we need. I will feel a o more comfortable if we strengthened our defence.
Defence including keeper to challenge Boruc and strikers. With Jay injured we actually only have Pelle at the mo and big Sam who didn't look quite ready last season.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: We only need more midfielders if Morgan is leaving, It is the CB position that need strengthening, I hope that Celtic can let go of the two players we need. I will feel a o more comfortable if we strengthened our defence.[/p][/quote]Defence including keeper to challenge Boruc and strikers. With Jay injured we actually only have Pelle at the mo and big Sam who didn't look quite ready last season. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 17

3:15pm Sun 3 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Invidia wrote:
We only need more midfielders if Morgan is leaving, It is the CB position that need strengthening, I hope that Celtic can let go of the two players we need. I will feel a o more comfortable if we strengthened our defence.
CB is currently weak and Additional Number 1 Keeper as minimum.

Cover for Striker and Winger.

QUICK to sell - but not so good at getting g in valuable resources for the Team. I am surprised they can sleep at night - however a big FAT salary makes them happy and they do NOT CARE as much as our most passionate fans.

Let's get our Support behind the Manager and current Players.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: We only need more midfielders if Morgan is leaving, It is the CB position that need strengthening, I hope that Celtic can let go of the two players we need. I will feel a o more comfortable if we strengthened our defence.[/p][/quote]CB is currently weak and Additional Number 1 Keeper as minimum. Cover for Striker and Winger. QUICK to sell - but not so good at getting g in valuable resources for the Team. I am surprised they can sleep at night - however a big FAT salary makes them happy and they do NOT CARE as much as our most passionate fans. Let's get our Support behind the Manager and current Players. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -6

3:35pm Sun 3 Aug 14

mickey01 says...

Do we really need midfield players ? surely its up front we need competition ashley young is just like tom daley a total diver and the saints aint that type of club
Do we really need midfield players ? surely its up front we need competition ashley young is just like tom daley a total diver and the saints aint that type of club mickey01
  • Score: 7

3:36pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Dubai-saints89 says...

zaha, terrible attitude so a no to him. id have Redmond over young, definitely no to butland, forester would be much better. rodwell would be a decent signing but the one i hope for most is Hernandez, slim chances but signing him will give us the recognition back we deserve.

these 3 loanees coming from inter baffle me, who are they replacing? is it just to fill up numbers? looks like koeman is panicking to me. i hope im wrong. sorry i am just a little concerned that's all
zaha, terrible attitude so a no to him. id have Redmond over young, definitely no to butland, forester would be much better. rodwell would be a decent signing but the one i hope for most is Hernandez, slim chances but signing him will give us the recognition back we deserve. these 3 loanees coming from inter baffle me, who are they replacing? is it just to fill up numbers? looks like koeman is panicking to me. i hope im wrong. sorry i am just a little concerned that's all Dubai-saints89
  • Score: -12

3:38pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria?? fascia123
  • Score: 61

3:49pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

3:55pm Sun 3 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
SPOT ON...

It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !!
COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON... It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !! COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -8

4:02pm Sun 3 Aug 14

saintbobby says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
If we get loans with a fixed buying clause, that can only be good for us - if they turn out carp, we haven't wasted the money on buying them. Wouldn't we be happy if we'd got Osvaldo on loan with a fcuk-off clause inserted ...
Brilliant, Tony! You should get on the Board with ideas like this.
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: If we get loans with a fixed buying clause, that can only be good for us - if they turn out carp, we haven't wasted the money on buying them. Wouldn't we be happy if we'd got Osvaldo on loan with a fcuk-off clause inserted ...[/p][/quote]Brilliant, Tony! You should get on the Board with ideas like this. saintbobby
  • Score: 8

4:03pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Saint Clements says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them.

Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them. Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future? Saint Clements
  • Score: -6

4:03pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Dooorrrset saint says...

Dorssaints wrote:
Rodwell hasn't really played for 12 months and would be a big risk. He should not have taken the money and gone to city.
Why is he a risk? If he's been keeping himself fit there is no reason he can't show the form he showed for Everton before City bought him! It's only because he's hardly been playing that people are questioning his ability! If we'd been after him this time last year, most fans would be wetting themselves about the possibility of joining us!
[quote][p][bold]Dorssaints[/bold] wrote: Rodwell hasn't really played for 12 months and would be a big risk. He should not have taken the money and gone to city.[/p][/quote]Why is he a risk? If he's been keeping himself fit there is no reason he can't show the form he showed for Everton before City bought him! It's only because he's hardly been playing that people are questioning his ability! If we'd been after him this time last year, most fans would be wetting themselves about the possibility of joining us! Dooorrrset saint
  • Score: 9

4:22pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Saint Clements wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them.

Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?
But would it of improved I haven't done a study of the stats but I believe Poxis tactics were being found out and on quite a few occasions, Chelsea being one when the other team changed the game plan to match our endeavour and negate our tactics he didn't have a plan b.

You can have all the possession you want look at the a Villa game, 73% was it and we lost.

I liken to the success new player often have coming to the PL once the teams have checked all the video footage they often disappoint in the second half of the season.

The future looks better with players that want to play for club and manager.
[quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them. Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?[/p][/quote]But would it of improved I haven't done a study of the stats but I believe Poxis tactics were being found out and on quite a few occasions, Chelsea being one when the other team changed the game plan to match our endeavour and negate our tactics he didn't have a plan b. You can have all the possession you want look at the a Villa game, 73% was it and we lost. I liken to the success new player often have coming to the PL once the teams have checked all the video footage they often disappoint in the second half of the season. The future looks better with players that want to play for club and manager. fascia123
  • Score: 9

4:26pm Sun 3 Aug 14

westfordUSAsaints says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
And in the second half of the season the goals came from where exactly? We couldn't beat Cardiff at home, we bundled in a late goal at Swansea, we were hardly taking teams apart and all that possession normally led to nawt, it looked good, but we lacked bite and front 3 didn't deliver.

Besides the Fulham game, who were carp anyway, we didn't exactly light up the league with our scoring, now did we?

It was all plan A with Poch, all right to left and back again passing with very little penetration into the box. When we got to the edge of the box, the final product was not there. Poch got found out by far superior tactically minded managers. Jose had him nailed.

I expect this season will be much better and will judge what we have after 10 games in.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]And in the second half of the season the goals came from where exactly? We couldn't beat Cardiff at home, we bundled in a late goal at Swansea, we were hardly taking teams apart and all that possession normally led to nawt, it looked good, but we lacked bite and front 3 didn't deliver. Besides the Fulham game, who were carp anyway, we didn't exactly light up the league with our scoring, now did we? It was all plan A with Poch, all right to left and back again passing with very little penetration into the box. When we got to the edge of the box, the final product was not there. Poch got found out by far superior tactically minded managers. Jose had him nailed. I expect this season will be much better and will judge what we have after 10 games in. westfordUSAsaints
  • Score: 14

4:28pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Malcombe says...

Frankie Bennett

I don't know if I can help but I assume it's slow, jumping and when typing the letters take a few seconds to appear and is a complete and utter nuisance so it could be a virus.

I had these problems above and it was a Trojan Horse from the DE, it was a nasty bas_ _ _ _ I had to take my Laptop to the expert in Totton who said a Scan would never of removed it, he uses a program to remove the big bug.
After I got the Laptop back it was a fantastic difference, I did however phone the DE and he said the Bug must of been attached to an article but the DE can't stop it because the Saints Site is controlled by Google whatever that means, I'm am a regular on the Saints Site but haven't had a problem since, I'm no expert but a quick Scan every day is useful and a full Scan every week can only help I got this info from a Google search, hope this helps and good luck.
Frankie Bennett I don't know if I can help but I assume it's slow, jumping and when typing the letters take a few seconds to appear and is a complete and utter nuisance so it could be a virus. I had these problems above and it was a Trojan Horse from the DE, it was a nasty bas_ _ _ _ I had to take my Laptop to the expert in Totton who said a Scan would never of removed it, he uses a program to remove the big bug. After I got the Laptop back it was a fantastic difference, I did however phone the DE and he said the Bug must of been attached to an article but the DE can't stop it because the Saints Site is controlled by Google whatever that means, I'm am a regular on the Saints Site but haven't had a problem since, I'm no expert but a quick Scan every day is useful and a full Scan every week can only help I got this info from a Google search, hope this helps and good luck. Malcombe
  • Score: 2

4:28pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
SPOT ON...

It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !!
COYR+WS
Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON... It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !! COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour. fascia123
  • Score: 18

4:30pm Sun 3 Aug 14

upwherewebelong says...

My posts always seem to generate negative responses so I can't be bothered to write loads of thoughts. All I want is to see someone at the club deliver on the promises they are making. For example Koeman, Reed and Krueger have all promised additions but we are yet to see them arrive. My question is where are they ????? I have a horrible feeling that we are embarking on an era where we rely on the academy to provide first team players which Krueger and Reed then sell every summer for short term financial gain
My posts always seem to generate negative responses so I can't be bothered to write loads of thoughts. All I want is to see someone at the club deliver on the promises they are making. For example Koeman, Reed and Krueger have all promised additions but we are yet to see them arrive. My question is where are they ????? I have a horrible feeling that we are embarking on an era where we rely on the academy to provide first team players which Krueger and Reed then sell every summer for short term financial gain upwherewebelong
  • Score: -21

4:30pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Saintsayer II says...

Hernandez...........
....................
.....YES
Zaha................
....................
............????
Butland over Forster.............
........No
Young...............
....................
............NO NO NO
Anybody whose name ends with an O have always been a disaster( Except Guly)
But where are the centre backs ?
Redmond and Fer from Norwich ................NO We dont want players who have failed with one club
Rodwell.............
...........Worth a punt if the price is right
Hernandez........... .................... .....YES Zaha................ .................... ............???? Butland over Forster............. ........No Young............... .................... ............NO NO NO Anybody whose name ends with an O have always been a disaster( Except Guly) But where are the centre backs ? Redmond and Fer from Norwich ................NO We dont want players who have failed with one club Rodwell............. ...........Worth a punt if the price is right Saintsayer II
  • Score: -2

4:34pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

westfordUSAsaints wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
And in the second half of the season the goals came from where exactly? We couldn't beat Cardiff at home, we bundled in a late goal at Swansea, we were hardly taking teams apart and all that possession normally led to nawt, it looked good, but we lacked bite and front 3 didn't deliver.

Besides the Fulham game, who were carp anyway, we didn't exactly light up the league with our scoring, now did we?

It was all plan A with Poch, all right to left and back again passing with very little penetration into the box. When we got to the edge of the box, the final product was not there. Poch got found out by far superior tactically minded managers. Jose had him nailed.

I expect this season will be much better and will judge what we have after 10 games in.
Thank you, at last someone who watched the second part of the season, his tactics were being found out and he didn't have a plan b, his players who we have received lots of money for, had an elevated opinion of their skills and quite frankly weren't good enough.
[quote][p][bold]westfordUSAsaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]And in the second half of the season the goals came from where exactly? We couldn't beat Cardiff at home, we bundled in a late goal at Swansea, we were hardly taking teams apart and all that possession normally led to nawt, it looked good, but we lacked bite and front 3 didn't deliver. Besides the Fulham game, who were carp anyway, we didn't exactly light up the league with our scoring, now did we? It was all plan A with Poch, all right to left and back again passing with very little penetration into the box. When we got to the edge of the box, the final product was not there. Poch got found out by far superior tactically minded managers. Jose had him nailed. I expect this season will be much better and will judge what we have after 10 games in.[/p][/quote]Thank you, at last someone who watched the second part of the season, his tactics were being found out and he didn't have a plan b, his players who we have received lots of money for, had an elevated opinion of their skills and quite frankly weren't good enough. fascia123
  • Score: 35

4:35pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

fascia123 wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them.

Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?
But would it of improved I haven't done a study of the stats but I believe Poxis tactics were being found out and on quite a few occasions, Chelsea being one when the other team changed the game plan to match our endeavour and negate our tactics he didn't have a plan b.

You can have all the possession you want look at the a Villa game, 73% was it and we lost.

I liken to the success new player often have coming to the PL once the teams have checked all the video footage they often disappoint in the second half of the season.

The future looks better with players that want to play for club and manager.
I liked the high press. Not allowing the opponents any time on the ball isn't something you can suss out, it's just a matter of fact that their passing will always be done under pressure and lead them to lose possession. Even if you know thats what we are going to do the only thing you can really do to counter it is do the same back.

Chelsea was the only team, home and away to be fair, that deserved to beat us. Villa, Cardiff etc were games we should have won but our lack of fire power meant we didn't maximise the chances created which is why we needed to strengthen to improve.

I wonder if the tailing off towards the end of the season was more to do with the boardroom chaos than our tactics being worked out? Once decisions to leave were made the foot came off the throttle a bit.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them. Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?[/p][/quote]But would it of improved I haven't done a study of the stats but I believe Poxis tactics were being found out and on quite a few occasions, Chelsea being one when the other team changed the game plan to match our endeavour and negate our tactics he didn't have a plan b. You can have all the possession you want look at the a Villa game, 73% was it and we lost. I liken to the success new player often have coming to the PL once the teams have checked all the video footage they often disappoint in the second half of the season. The future looks better with players that want to play for club and manager.[/p][/quote]I liked the high press. Not allowing the opponents any time on the ball isn't something you can suss out, it's just a matter of fact that their passing will always be done under pressure and lead them to lose possession. Even if you know thats what we are going to do the only thing you can really do to counter it is do the same back. Chelsea was the only team, home and away to be fair, that deserved to beat us. Villa, Cardiff etc were games we should have won but our lack of fire power meant we didn't maximise the chances created which is why we needed to strengthen to improve. I wonder if the tailing off towards the end of the season was more to do with the boardroom chaos than our tactics being worked out? Once decisions to leave were made the foot came off the throttle a bit. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -10

4:45pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Saintsayer II says...

Saint Clements wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them.

Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?
Hernandez...........
....................
.....YES
Zaha................
....................
............????
Butland over Forster.............
........No
Young...............
....................
............NO NO NO
Anybody whose name ends with an O have always been a disaster( Except Guly)
But where are the centre backs ?
Redmond and Fer from Norwich ................NO We dont want players who have failed with one club
Rodwell.............
...........Worth a punt if the price is right
[quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them. Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?[/p][/quote]Hernandez........... .................... .....YES Zaha................ .................... ............???? Butland over Forster............. ........No Young............... .................... ............NO NO NO Anybody whose name ends with an O have always been a disaster( Except Guly) But where are the centre backs ? Redmond and Fer from Norwich ................NO We dont want players who have failed with one club Rodwell............. ...........Worth a punt if the price is right Saintsayer II
  • Score: -1

4:47pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Saints n Winners says...

fascia123 wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them.

Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?
But would it of improved I haven't done a study of the stats but I believe Poxis tactics were being found out and on quite a few occasions, Chelsea being one when the other team changed the game plan to match our endeavour and negate our tactics he didn't have a plan b.

You can have all the possession you want look at the a Villa game, 73% was it and we lost.

I liken to the success new player often have coming to the PL once the teams have checked all the video footage they often disappoint in the second half of the season.

The future looks better with players that want to play for club and manager.
I believe the players that have been replaced are as good as the ones we have lost for midfield and upfront.

However - just because thy are as good it doesn't mean they will play as well as a team - and we may have to wait a month or two before they gel. Unfortunately this means we won't tart a well as we did last season.

Sadly the left back isn't as good as Shaw, and we have lost our key CB. Therefore to my mind, any new defenders need to be drilled quickly to operate as a team that are better than the sum of their parts. It maybe that we will get a new quality defender that will fit well into our new defence. The key to our whole season will be the time it takes to get our defence up to speed.

One thing that may be an advantage is that any new system devised by Ron will need to sussed out by our PL rivals - which could help buy us a bit of time over the first half of the season.

I don't believe Rodwell will come here. He could be good signing - but I feel he will o to either Spurs or Newcastle.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them. Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?[/p][/quote]But would it of improved I haven't done a study of the stats but I believe Poxis tactics were being found out and on quite a few occasions, Chelsea being one when the other team changed the game plan to match our endeavour and negate our tactics he didn't have a plan b. You can have all the possession you want look at the a Villa game, 73% was it and we lost. I liken to the success new player often have coming to the PL once the teams have checked all the video footage they often disappoint in the second half of the season. The future looks better with players that want to play for club and manager.[/p][/quote]I believe the players that have been replaced are as good as the ones we have lost for midfield and upfront. However - just because thy are as good it doesn't mean they will play as well as a team - and we may have to wait a month or two before they gel. Unfortunately this means we won't tart a well as we did last season. Sadly the left back isn't as good as Shaw, and we have lost our key CB. Therefore to my mind, any new defenders need to be drilled quickly to operate as a team that are better than the sum of their parts. It maybe that we will get a new quality defender that will fit well into our new defence. The key to our whole season will be the time it takes to get our defence up to speed. One thing that may be an advantage is that any new system devised by Ron will need to sussed out by our PL rivals - which could help buy us a bit of time over the first half of the season. I don't believe Rodwell will come here. He could be good signing - but I feel he will o to either Spurs or Newcastle. Saints n Winners
  • Score: 5

4:52pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Saintsayer II says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them.

Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?
But would it of improved I haven't done a study of the stats but I believe Poxis tactics were being found out and on quite a few occasions, Chelsea being one when the other team changed the game plan to match our endeavour and negate our tactics he didn't have a plan b.

You can have all the possession you want look at the a Villa game, 73% was it and we lost.

I liken to the success new player often have coming to the PL once the teams have checked all the video footage they often disappoint in the second half of the season.

The future looks better with players that want to play for club and manager.
I liked the high press. Not allowing the opponents any time on the ball isn't something you can suss out, it's just a matter of fact that their passing will always be done under pressure and lead them to lose possession. Even if you know thats what we are going to do the only thing you can really do to counter it is do the same back.

Chelsea was the only team, home and away to be fair, that deserved to beat us. Villa, Cardiff etc were games we should have won but our lack of fire power meant we didn't maximise the chances created which is why we needed to strengthen to improve.

I wonder if the tailing off towards the end of the season was more to do with the boardroom chaos than our tactics being worked out? Once decisions to leave were made the foot came off the throttle a bit.
When we defended a highline Spurs Pool (at SMS) and Chelsea all exploited the space in behind with pace Wet Spam and Cardiff just sat back with 2 lines of 5 and hoped for a counter

With all these players linked with a move to SMS I can't help wondering how brilliant we could have been if these were additions to last years squad and not replacements
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them. Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?[/p][/quote]But would it of improved I haven't done a study of the stats but I believe Poxis tactics were being found out and on quite a few occasions, Chelsea being one when the other team changed the game plan to match our endeavour and negate our tactics he didn't have a plan b. You can have all the possession you want look at the a Villa game, 73% was it and we lost. I liken to the success new player often have coming to the PL once the teams have checked all the video footage they often disappoint in the second half of the season. The future looks better with players that want to play for club and manager.[/p][/quote]I liked the high press. Not allowing the opponents any time on the ball isn't something you can suss out, it's just a matter of fact that their passing will always be done under pressure and lead them to lose possession. Even if you know thats what we are going to do the only thing you can really do to counter it is do the same back. Chelsea was the only team, home and away to be fair, that deserved to beat us. Villa, Cardiff etc were games we should have won but our lack of fire power meant we didn't maximise the chances created which is why we needed to strengthen to improve. I wonder if the tailing off towards the end of the season was more to do with the boardroom chaos than our tactics being worked out? Once decisions to leave were made the foot came off the throttle a bit.[/p][/quote]When we defended a highline Spurs Pool (at SMS) and Chelsea all exploited the space in behind with pace Wet Spam and Cardiff just sat back with 2 lines of 5 and hoped for a counter With all these players linked with a move to SMS I can't help wondering how brilliant we could have been if these were additions to last years squad and not replacements Saintsayer II
  • Score: 1

4:57pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them.

Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?
But would it of improved I haven't done a study of the stats but I believe Poxis tactics were being found out and on quite a few occasions, Chelsea being one when the other team changed the game plan to match our endeavour and negate our tactics he didn't have a plan b.

You can have all the possession you want look at the a Villa game, 73% was it and we lost.

I liken to the success new player often have coming to the PL once the teams have checked all the video footage they often disappoint in the second half of the season.

The future looks better with players that want to play for club and manager.
I liked the high press. Not allowing the opponents any time on the ball isn't something you can suss out, it's just a matter of fact that their passing will always be done under pressure and lead them to lose possession. Even if you know thats what we are going to do the only thing you can really do to counter it is do the same back.

Chelsea was the only team, home and away to be fair, that deserved to beat us. Villa, Cardiff etc were games we should have won but our lack of fire power meant we didn't maximise the chances created which is why we needed to strengthen to improve.

I wonder if the tailing off towards the end of the season was more to do with the boardroom chaos than our tactics being worked out? Once decisions to leave were made the foot came off the throttle a bit.
I liked the high press, high energy game, but you have to have another option and we were found out by more teams than Chelsea that matched that endeavour. Again give think this goes to show the players improve by being fitter, better system that they understood and all bought into but just didn't have that little bit extra.

We had two strikers that the rest of the premiership wanted one has gone already, I don't think the guy is as good a coach as he has been given credit for and that's not sour grapes, I was as happy as the rest of us with the first part of the seasons improvement.

Perhaps that why he did so well with his previous club then got the sack after a poor series of results.

If a manager is any good he keeps his players away from all the board room stuff and keeps the foot on the throttle regardless.

Another train of thought is with such a high energy game were the players tired in the second half, again with astute management he should of used the players at his disposal with greater effect, we are always being told the academy is full of talent.

How ever I look at it I think we would of had a disappointing season, I can only feel that all this turmoil will only galvanise us for the coming seasons, maybe with the changes this won't be our year but for the long term I think it will be better.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them. Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?[/p][/quote]But would it of improved I haven't done a study of the stats but I believe Poxis tactics were being found out and on quite a few occasions, Chelsea being one when the other team changed the game plan to match our endeavour and negate our tactics he didn't have a plan b. You can have all the possession you want look at the a Villa game, 73% was it and we lost. I liken to the success new player often have coming to the PL once the teams have checked all the video footage they often disappoint in the second half of the season. The future looks better with players that want to play for club and manager.[/p][/quote]I liked the high press. Not allowing the opponents any time on the ball isn't something you can suss out, it's just a matter of fact that their passing will always be done under pressure and lead them to lose possession. Even if you know thats what we are going to do the only thing you can really do to counter it is do the same back. Chelsea was the only team, home and away to be fair, that deserved to beat us. Villa, Cardiff etc were games we should have won but our lack of fire power meant we didn't maximise the chances created which is why we needed to strengthen to improve. I wonder if the tailing off towards the end of the season was more to do with the boardroom chaos than our tactics being worked out? Once decisions to leave were made the foot came off the throttle a bit.[/p][/quote]I liked the high press, high energy game, but you have to have another option and we were found out by more teams than Chelsea that matched that endeavour. Again give think this goes to show the players improve by being fitter, better system that they understood and all bought into but just didn't have that little bit extra. We had two strikers that the rest of the premiership wanted one has gone already, I don't think the guy is as good a coach as he has been given credit for and that's not sour grapes, I was as happy as the rest of us with the first part of the seasons improvement. Perhaps that why he did so well with his previous club then got the sack after a poor series of results. If a manager is any good he keeps his players away from all the board room stuff and keeps the foot on the throttle regardless. Another train of thought is with such a high energy game were the players tired in the second half, again with astute management he should of used the players at his disposal with greater effect, we are always being told the academy is full of talent. How ever I look at it I think we would of had a disappointing season, I can only feel that all this turmoil will only galvanise us for the coming seasons, maybe with the changes this won't be our year but for the long term I think it will be better. fascia123
  • Score: 6

4:57pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Dappyduck says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
If we get loans with a fixed buying clause, that can only be good for us - if they turn out carp, we haven't wasted the money on buying them. Wouldn't we be happy if we'd got Osvaldo on loan with a fcuk-off clause inserted ...
If they turn into a carp we'll make millions I tell you!
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: If we get loans with a fixed buying clause, that can only be good for us - if they turn out carp, we haven't wasted the money on buying them. Wouldn't we be happy if we'd got Osvaldo on loan with a fcuk-off clause inserted ...[/p][/quote]If they turn into a carp we'll make millions I tell you! Dappyduck
  • Score: 0

4:57pm Sun 3 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
SPOT ON...

It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !!
COYR+WS
Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.
These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it !

This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about)

Long may it continue.

The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over.

RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON... It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !! COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.[/p][/quote]These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it ! This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about) Long may it continue. The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over. RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 6

4:58pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Saints n Winners says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them.

Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?
But would it of improved I haven't done a study of the stats but I believe Poxis tactics were being found out and on quite a few occasions, Chelsea being one when the other team changed the game plan to match our endeavour and negate our tactics he didn't have a plan b.

You can have all the possession you want look at the a Villa game, 73% was it and we lost.

I liken to the success new player often have coming to the PL once the teams have checked all the video footage they often disappoint in the second half of the season.

The future looks better with players that want to play for club and manager.
I liked the high press. Not allowing the opponents any time on the ball isn't something you can suss out, it's just a matter of fact that their passing will always be done under pressure and lead them to lose possession. Even if you know thats what we are going to do the only thing you can really do to counter it is do the same back.

Chelsea was the only team, home and away to be fair, that deserved to beat us. Villa, Cardiff etc were games we should have won but our lack of fire power meant we didn't maximise the chances created which is why we needed to strengthen to improve.

I wonder if the tailing off towards the end of the season was more to do with the boardroom chaos than our tactics being worked out? Once decisions to leave were made the foot came off the throttle a bit.
When we defended a highline Spurs Pool (at SMS) and Chelsea all exploited the space in behind with pace Wet Spam and Cardiff just sat back with 2 lines of 5 and hoped for a counter

With all these players linked with a move to SMS I can't help wondering how brilliant we could have been if these were additions to last years squad and not replacements
Pelle and Tadic together with a new quality defender would have been pushing for the sixth spot in my book - even if we had lost just Shaw
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them. Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?[/p][/quote]But would it of improved I haven't done a study of the stats but I believe Poxis tactics were being found out and on quite a few occasions, Chelsea being one when the other team changed the game plan to match our endeavour and negate our tactics he didn't have a plan b. You can have all the possession you want look at the a Villa game, 73% was it and we lost. I liken to the success new player often have coming to the PL once the teams have checked all the video footage they often disappoint in the second half of the season. The future looks better with players that want to play for club and manager.[/p][/quote]I liked the high press. Not allowing the opponents any time on the ball isn't something you can suss out, it's just a matter of fact that their passing will always be done under pressure and lead them to lose possession. Even if you know thats what we are going to do the only thing you can really do to counter it is do the same back. Chelsea was the only team, home and away to be fair, that deserved to beat us. Villa, Cardiff etc were games we should have won but our lack of fire power meant we didn't maximise the chances created which is why we needed to strengthen to improve. I wonder if the tailing off towards the end of the season was more to do with the boardroom chaos than our tactics being worked out? Once decisions to leave were made the foot came off the throttle a bit.[/p][/quote]When we defended a highline Spurs Pool (at SMS) and Chelsea all exploited the space in behind with pace Wet Spam and Cardiff just sat back with 2 lines of 5 and hoped for a counter With all these players linked with a move to SMS I can't help wondering how brilliant we could have been if these were additions to last years squad and not replacements[/p][/quote]Pelle and Tadic together with a new quality defender would have been pushing for the sixth spot in my book - even if we had lost just Shaw Saints n Winners
  • Score: 5

4:58pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Dappyduck says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
If we get loans with a fixed buying clause, that can only be good for us - if they turn out carp, we haven't wasted the money on buying them. Wouldn't we be happy if we'd got Osvaldo on loan with a fcuk-off clause inserted ...
If they turn into a carp we'll make millions I tell ya!
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: If we get loans with a fixed buying clause, that can only be good for us - if they turn out carp, we haven't wasted the money on buying them. Wouldn't we be happy if we'd got Osvaldo on loan with a fcuk-off clause inserted ...[/p][/quote]If they turn into a carp we'll make millions I tell ya! Dappyduck
  • Score: 1

5:01pm Sun 3 Aug 14

bbb001 says...

We should not touch these players with a barge pole, this is what happens when young players think they are better than they really are, they move to a "bigger " club then sit on the bench if they are lucky. If we sign any of these mercenaries and they have a half decent season they will move to Liverhampton at the drop of a hat.

The careers of these unloyal charlatans should act as a reminder to the current crop of youngsters at our club.
We should not touch these players with a barge pole, this is what happens when young players think they are better than they really are, they move to a "bigger " club then sit on the bench if they are lucky. If we sign any of these mercenaries and they have a half decent season they will move to Liverhampton at the drop of a hat. The careers of these unloyal charlatans should act as a reminder to the current crop of youngsters at our club. bbb001
  • Score: 2

5:07pm Sun 3 Aug 14

johnlennon_ar says...

All this talk and only 2 loan signing :-( We must start spending some of this money from player sales. AND PLEASE SIGN A BLOODY CB ASAP AS WE ARE VERY SHORT AND THE HOOVER IS NOT UP 2 IT.
All this talk and only 2 loan signing :-( We must start spending some of this money from player sales. AND PLEASE SIGN A BLOODY CB ASAP AS WE ARE VERY SHORT AND THE HOOVER IS NOT UP 2 IT. johnlennon_ar
  • Score: 5

5:08pm Sun 3 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them.

Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?
But would it of improved I haven't done a study of the stats but I believe Poxis tactics were being found out and on quite a few occasions, Chelsea being one when the other team changed the game plan to match our endeavour and negate our tactics he didn't have a plan b.

You can have all the possession you want look at the a Villa game, 73% was it and we lost.

I liken to the success new player often have coming to the PL once the teams have checked all the video footage they often disappoint in the second half of the season.

The future looks better with players that want to play for club and manager.
I liked the high press. Not allowing the opponents any time on the ball isn't something you can suss out, it's just a matter of fact that their passing will always be done under pressure and lead them to lose possession. Even if you know thats what we are going to do the only thing you can really do to counter it is do the same back.

Chelsea was the only team, home and away to be fair, that deserved to beat us. Villa, Cardiff etc were games we should have won but our lack of fire power meant we didn't maximise the chances created which is why we needed to strengthen to improve.

I wonder if the tailing off towards the end of the season was more to do with the boardroom chaos than our tactics being worked out? Once decisions to leave were made the foot came off the throttle a bit.
so if we needed to strengthen are you saying that rickie or j-rod or liarlanna would have lost their staring place? surely strengthening would mean we buy in better than what we have, so if we are going to replace rickie with a better player, and im not saying pelle is, wouldn't it then make sense to let rickie leave to release a squad place? don't forget we could still strengthen in that area and having younger players must be a good thing. yes we need strength in depth but at the moment we have pelle, big sam, mayuka, sharp and j-rod when he comes back. I`m sure though that Ronnie is on the case and will be looking to strengthen further. I know what positions I think need strengthening but will leave that to the expert.

as for signings this weekend, from what I can tell the 2 loans from inter are all but signed off but we are waiting for Osvaldo to sort his end out.

if anyones on twitter dejerk is holding an open question and answer session #asklovrenpart2 he is getting asked some very interesting questions from saints fans! its a funny read.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them. Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?[/p][/quote]But would it of improved I haven't done a study of the stats but I believe Poxis tactics were being found out and on quite a few occasions, Chelsea being one when the other team changed the game plan to match our endeavour and negate our tactics he didn't have a plan b. You can have all the possession you want look at the a Villa game, 73% was it and we lost. I liken to the success new player often have coming to the PL once the teams have checked all the video footage they often disappoint in the second half of the season. The future looks better with players that want to play for club and manager.[/p][/quote]I liked the high press. Not allowing the opponents any time on the ball isn't something you can suss out, it's just a matter of fact that their passing will always be done under pressure and lead them to lose possession. Even if you know thats what we are going to do the only thing you can really do to counter it is do the same back. Chelsea was the only team, home and away to be fair, that deserved to beat us. Villa, Cardiff etc were games we should have won but our lack of fire power meant we didn't maximise the chances created which is why we needed to strengthen to improve. I wonder if the tailing off towards the end of the season was more to do with the boardroom chaos than our tactics being worked out? Once decisions to leave were made the foot came off the throttle a bit.[/p][/quote]so if we needed to strengthen are you saying that rickie or j-rod or liarlanna would have lost their staring place? surely strengthening would mean we buy in better than what we have, so if we are going to replace rickie with a better player, and im not saying pelle is, wouldn't it then make sense to let rickie leave to release a squad place? don't forget we could still strengthen in that area and having younger players must be a good thing. yes we need strength in depth but at the moment we have pelle, big sam, mayuka, sharp and j-rod when he comes back. I`m sure though that Ronnie is on the case and will be looking to strengthen further. I know what positions I think need strengthening but will leave that to the expert. as for signings this weekend, from what I can tell the 2 loans from inter are all but signed off but we are waiting for Osvaldo to sort his end out. if anyones on twitter dejerk is holding an open question and answer session #asklovrenpart2 he is getting asked some very interesting questions from saints fans! its a funny read. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 4

5:09pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
SPOT ON...

It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !!
COYR+WS
Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.
These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it !

This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about)

Long may it continue.

The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over.

RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS
I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair.

If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case.

Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON... It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !! COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.[/p][/quote]These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it ! This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about) Long may it continue. The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over. RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair. If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case. Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners. fascia123
  • Score: 3

5:15pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Saint Clements says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them.

Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?
Hernandez...........

....................

.....YES
Zaha................

....................

............????
Butland over Forster.............

........No
Young...............

....................

............NO NO NO
Anybody whose name ends with an O have always been a disaster( Except Guly)
But where are the centre backs ?
Redmond and Fer from Norwich ................NO We dont want players who have failed with one club
Rodwell.............

...........Worth a punt if the price is right
I like Redmond. Other than that I agree wholeheartedly.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them. Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?[/p][/quote]Hernandez........... .................... .....YES Zaha................ .................... ............???? Butland over Forster............. ........No Young............... .................... ............NO NO NO Anybody whose name ends with an O have always been a disaster( Except Guly) But where are the centre backs ? Redmond and Fer from Norwich ................NO We dont want players who have failed with one club Rodwell............. ...........Worth a punt if the price is right[/p][/quote]I like Redmond. Other than that I agree wholeheartedly. Saint Clements
  • Score: -2

5:20pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Block 42 says...

Why jack rodwell..hes rubbish and 9 million for a player who hardly ever plays...hernandez please and possibly wes sneider.
Why jack rodwell..hes rubbish and 9 million for a player who hardly ever plays...hernandez please and possibly wes sneider. Block 42
  • Score: -6

5:25pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Hit me with your rhythm stick
Hit me with your rhythm stick fascia123
  • Score: -4

5:28pm Sun 3 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
SPOT ON...

It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !!
COYR+WS
Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.
These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it !

This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about)

Long may it continue.

The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over.

RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS
I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair.

If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case.

Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.
If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place.

On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One.

There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB.

I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver.

THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON... It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !! COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.[/p][/quote]These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it ! This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about) Long may it continue. The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over. RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair. If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case. Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.[/p][/quote]If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place. On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One. There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB. I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver. THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 2

5:29pm Sun 3 Aug 14

sparky130a says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them.

Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?
But would it of improved I haven't done a study of the stats but I believe Poxis tactics were being found out and on quite a few occasions, Chelsea being one when the other team changed the game plan to match our endeavour and negate our tactics he didn't have a plan b.

You can have all the possession you want look at the a Villa game, 73% was it and we lost.

I liken to the success new player often have coming to the PL once the teams have checked all the video footage they often disappoint in the second half of the season.

The future looks better with players that want to play for club and manager.
I liked the high press. Not allowing the opponents any time on the ball isn't something you can suss out, it's just a matter of fact that their passing will always be done under pressure and lead them to lose possession. Even if you know thats what we are going to do the only thing you can really do to counter it is do the same back.

Chelsea was the only team, home and away to be fair, that deserved to beat us. Villa, Cardiff etc were games we should have won but our lack of fire power meant we didn't maximise the chances created which is why we needed to strengthen to improve.

I wonder if the tailing off towards the end of the season was more to do with the boardroom chaos than our tactics being worked out? Once decisions to leave were made the foot came off the throttle a bit.
so if we needed to strengthen are you saying that rickie or j-rod or liarlanna would have lost their staring place? surely strengthening would mean we buy in better than what we have, so if we are going to replace rickie with a better player, and im not saying pelle is, wouldn't it then make sense to let rickie leave to release a squad place? don't forget we could still strengthen in that area and having younger players must be a good thing. yes we need strength in depth but at the moment we have pelle, big sam, mayuka, sharp and j-rod when he comes back. I`m sure though that Ronnie is on the case and will be looking to strengthen further. I know what positions I think need strengthening but will leave that to the expert.

as for signings this weekend, from what I can tell the 2 loans from inter are all but signed off but we are waiting for Osvaldo to sort his end out.

if anyones on twitter dejerk is holding an open question and answer session #asklovrenpart2 he is getting asked some very interesting questions from saints fans! its a funny read.
Glad he's probably getting embarrassed but frankly i couldn't give a cr@p what that bloke has to say..
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them. Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?[/p][/quote]But would it of improved I haven't done a study of the stats but I believe Poxis tactics were being found out and on quite a few occasions, Chelsea being one when the other team changed the game plan to match our endeavour and negate our tactics he didn't have a plan b. You can have all the possession you want look at the a Villa game, 73% was it and we lost. I liken to the success new player often have coming to the PL once the teams have checked all the video footage they often disappoint in the second half of the season. The future looks better with players that want to play for club and manager.[/p][/quote]I liked the high press. Not allowing the opponents any time on the ball isn't something you can suss out, it's just a matter of fact that their passing will always be done under pressure and lead them to lose possession. Even if you know thats what we are going to do the only thing you can really do to counter it is do the same back. Chelsea was the only team, home and away to be fair, that deserved to beat us. Villa, Cardiff etc were games we should have won but our lack of fire power meant we didn't maximise the chances created which is why we needed to strengthen to improve. I wonder if the tailing off towards the end of the season was more to do with the boardroom chaos than our tactics being worked out? Once decisions to leave were made the foot came off the throttle a bit.[/p][/quote]so if we needed to strengthen are you saying that rickie or j-rod or liarlanna would have lost their staring place? surely strengthening would mean we buy in better than what we have, so if we are going to replace rickie with a better player, and im not saying pelle is, wouldn't it then make sense to let rickie leave to release a squad place? don't forget we could still strengthen in that area and having younger players must be a good thing. yes we need strength in depth but at the moment we have pelle, big sam, mayuka, sharp and j-rod when he comes back. I`m sure though that Ronnie is on the case and will be looking to strengthen further. I know what positions I think need strengthening but will leave that to the expert. as for signings this weekend, from what I can tell the 2 loans from inter are all but signed off but we are waiting for Osvaldo to sort his end out. if anyones on twitter dejerk is holding an open question and answer session #asklovrenpart2 he is getting asked some very interesting questions from saints fans! its a funny read.[/p][/quote]Glad he's probably getting embarrassed but frankly i couldn't give a cr@p what that bloke has to say.. sparky130a
  • Score: 2

5:29pm Sun 3 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
SPOT ON...

It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !!
COYR+WS
Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.
These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it !

This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about)

Long may it continue.

The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over.

RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS
I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair.

If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case.

Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.
If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place.

On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One.

There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB.

I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver.

THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS
Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON... It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !! COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.[/p][/quote]These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it ! This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about) Long may it continue. The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over. RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair. If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case. Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.[/p][/quote]If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place. On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One. There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB. I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver. THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -4

5:33pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Saint Clements says...

If we buy Hernnadez, we'll not only get a fantastic striker, but we'll also be getting a gateway player - someone who entice others to join and encourage those here to stay.

That's why if all those linked with us - no matter hoe tenuously - he would be my first choice to get in.

After that, in order of delightedness (to invent a word), I'd go for:
Forster
Rojo
Rodwell
Redmond/Zaha
If we buy Hernnadez, we'll not only get a fantastic striker, but we'll also be getting a gateway player - someone who entice others to join and encourage those here to stay. That's why if all those linked with us - no matter hoe tenuously - he would be my first choice to get in. After that, in order of delightedness (to invent a word), I'd go for: Forster Rojo Rodwell Redmond/Zaha Saint Clements
  • Score: 3

5:35pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
SPOT ON...

It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !!
COYR+WS
Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.
These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it !

This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about)

Long may it continue.

The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over.

RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS
I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair.

If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case.

Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.
If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place.

On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One.

There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB.

I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver.

THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS
Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS
Well that was a bit of fun.

Next Saturday will tell us a lot more than any hot air we have blown about on here, and let's hope its a positive evening and we can go home basking in the good feeling of what is to come.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON... It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !! COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.[/p][/quote]These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it ! This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about) Long may it continue. The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over. RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair. If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case. Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.[/p][/quote]If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place. On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One. There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB. I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver. THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Well that was a bit of fun. Next Saturday will tell us a lot more than any hot air we have blown about on here, and let's hope its a positive evening and we can go home basking in the good feeling of what is to come. fascia123
  • Score: 5

5:37pm Sun 3 Aug 14

techsture says...

Redmond would be a real statement of intent. If I was Norwich I would never sell to saints after the derisory 3 million offer, it was an insult.

Rodwell only went to city for the money. I'm not seeing how we can match what he's on there.

are we going to play 0-10-0?? How many midfielders does one club need?

Reminds me of the Rafa joke...

Why's Benitez play 3 holding midfielders? Because he can't play 11
Redmond would be a real statement of intent. If I was Norwich I would never sell to saints after the derisory 3 million offer, it was an insult. Rodwell only went to city for the money. I'm not seeing how we can match what he's on there. are we going to play 0-10-0?? How many midfielders does one club need? Reminds me of the Rafa joke... Why's Benitez play 3 holding midfielders? Because he can't play 11 techsture
  • Score: -2

5:38pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Saint Clements wrote:
If we buy Hernnadez, we'll not only get a fantastic striker, but we'll also be getting a gateway player - someone who entice others to join and encourage those here to stay.

That's why if all those linked with us - no matter hoe tenuously - he would be my first choice to get in.

After that, in order of delightedness (to invent a word), I'd go for:
Forster
Rojo
Rodwell
Redmond/Zaha
Good point I had not looked at the Hernandez signing with much enthusiasm you might be right it might be viewed well by other possible targets and he ain't a bd player to boot.
[quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: If we buy Hernnadez, we'll not only get a fantastic striker, but we'll also be getting a gateway player - someone who entice others to join and encourage those here to stay. That's why if all those linked with us - no matter hoe tenuously - he would be my first choice to get in. After that, in order of delightedness (to invent a word), I'd go for: Forster Rojo Rodwell Redmond/Zaha[/p][/quote]Good point I had not looked at the Hernandez signing with much enthusiasm you might be right it might be viewed well by other possible targets and he ain't a bd player to boot. fascia123
  • Score: 6

5:44pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
SPOT ON...

It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !!
COYR+WS
Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.
These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it !

This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about)

Long may it continue.

The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over.

RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS
I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair.

If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case.

Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.
If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place.

On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One.

There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB.

I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver.

THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS
Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS
Can his leadership be questioned??

http://www.google.co
.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q
=ralph%20kruegers%20
cv&source=web&cd=1&v
ed=0CA4QFjAA&url=htt
p%3A%2F%2Fwww.nhl.co
m%2Fice%2Fnews.htm%3
Fid%3D636249&ei=82Xe
U8DnDoTY7AanmYDQAg&u
sg=AFQjCNGXIqaCqRddS
cLbZ31G4J11dWWPDg
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON... It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !! COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.[/p][/quote]These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it ! This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about) Long may it continue. The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over. RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair. If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case. Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.[/p][/quote]If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place. On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One. There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB. I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver. THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Can his leadership be questioned?? http://www.google.co .uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q =ralph%20kruegers%20 cv&source=web&cd=1&v ed=0CA4QFjAA&url=htt p%3A%2F%2Fwww.nhl.co m%2Fice%2Fnews.htm%3 Fid%3D636249&ei=82Xe U8DnDoTY7AanmYDQAg&u sg=AFQjCNGXIqaCqRddS cLbZ31G4J11dWWPDg fascia123
  • Score: 1

5:44pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
SPOT ON...

It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !!
COYR+WS
Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.
These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it !

This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about)

Long may it continue.

The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over.

RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS
I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair.

If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case.

Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.
If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place.

On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One.

There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB.

I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver.

THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS
Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS
Can his leadership be questioned??

http://www.google.co
.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q
=ralph%20kruegers%20
cv&source=web&cd=1&v
ed=0CA4QFjAA&url=htt
p%3A%2F%2Fwww.nhl.co
m%2Fice%2Fnews.htm%3
Fid%3D636249&ei=82Xe
U8DnDoTY7AanmYDQAg&u
sg=AFQjCNGXIqaCqRddS
cLbZ31G4J11dWWPDg
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON... It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !! COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.[/p][/quote]These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it ! This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about) Long may it continue. The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over. RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair. If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case. Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.[/p][/quote]If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place. On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One. There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB. I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver. THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Can his leadership be questioned?? http://www.google.co .uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q =ralph%20kruegers%20 cv&source=web&cd=1&v ed=0CA4QFjAA&url=htt p%3A%2F%2Fwww.nhl.co m%2Fice%2Fnews.htm%3 Fid%3D636249&ei=82Xe U8DnDoTY7AanmYDQAg&u sg=AFQjCNGXIqaCqRddS cLbZ31G4J11dWWPDg fascia123
  • Score: 1

5:47pm Sun 3 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
SPOT ON...

It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !!
COYR+WS
Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.
These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it !

This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about)

Long may it continue.

The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over.

RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS
I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair.

If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case.

Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.
If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place.

On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One.

There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB.

I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver.

THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS
Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS
Well that was a bit of fun.

Next Saturday will tell us a lot more than any hot air we have blown about on here, and let's hope its a positive evening and we can go home basking in the good feeling of what is to come.
OK .. but we have stripped Lovren from the Team and needed to get in QUALITY at CB - Jose Fonte does need support in that position - although improved. I do not AGREE with other Fans he should be Captain. Davis is a better option. Hoover is lower league.

News of additional number One Keeper needed.

News on COVER for Top striker - cannot just rely on Pelle for goals and other other Options do not have the quality to unlock the Top Ten in the Premiership.

News on a WINGER would give the Gaffer Options.

LOOK FORWARD to next Saturday with some positive news and NOT expending my energy on a PROTEST at St Mary's because the BOARD have failed the fans again with no signings. COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON... It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !! COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.[/p][/quote]These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it ! This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about) Long may it continue. The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over. RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair. If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case. Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.[/p][/quote]If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place. On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One. There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB. I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver. THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Well that was a bit of fun. Next Saturday will tell us a lot more than any hot air we have blown about on here, and let's hope its a positive evening and we can go home basking in the good feeling of what is to come.[/p][/quote]OK .. but we have stripped Lovren from the Team and needed to get in QUALITY at CB - Jose Fonte does need support in that position - although improved. I do not AGREE with other Fans he should be Captain. Davis is a better option. Hoover is lower league. News of additional number One Keeper needed. News on COVER for Top striker - cannot just rely on Pelle for goals and other other Options do not have the quality to unlock the Top Ten in the Premiership. News on a WINGER would give the Gaffer Options. LOOK FORWARD to next Saturday with some positive news and NOT expending my energy on a PROTEST at St Mary's because the BOARD have failed the fans again with no signings. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 2

5:52pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
SPOT ON...

It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !!
COYR+WS
Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.
These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it !

This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about)

Long may it continue.

The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over.

RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS
I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair.

If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case.

Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.
If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place.

On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One.

There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB.

I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver.

THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS
Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS
Well that was a bit of fun.

Next Saturday will tell us a lot more than any hot air we have blown about on here, and let's hope its a positive evening and we can go home basking in the good feeling of what is to come.
OK .. but we have stripped Lovren from the Team and needed to get in QUALITY at CB - Jose Fonte does need support in that position - although improved. I do not AGREE with other Fans he should be Captain. Davis is a better option. Hoover is lower league.

News of additional number One Keeper needed.

News on COVER for Top striker - cannot just rely on Pelle for goals and other other Options do not have the quality to unlock the Top Ten in the Premiership.

News on a WINGER would give the Gaffer Options.

LOOK FORWARD to next Saturday with some positive news and NOT expending my energy on a PROTEST at St Mary's because the BOARD have failed the fans again with no signings. COYR+WS
Agree with the positional needs, I do think RK will come through and we can look forward to a positive future.

While I wouldn't change a thing it hasn't always been plain sailing being a saints fan since my first game as a 10 yo in 1968.

COYS
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON... It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !! COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.[/p][/quote]These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it ! This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about) Long may it continue. The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over. RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair. If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case. Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.[/p][/quote]If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place. On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One. There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB. I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver. THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Well that was a bit of fun. Next Saturday will tell us a lot more than any hot air we have blown about on here, and let's hope its a positive evening and we can go home basking in the good feeling of what is to come.[/p][/quote]OK .. but we have stripped Lovren from the Team and needed to get in QUALITY at CB - Jose Fonte does need support in that position - although improved. I do not AGREE with other Fans he should be Captain. Davis is a better option. Hoover is lower league. News of additional number One Keeper needed. News on COVER for Top striker - cannot just rely on Pelle for goals and other other Options do not have the quality to unlock the Top Ten in the Premiership. News on a WINGER would give the Gaffer Options. LOOK FORWARD to next Saturday with some positive news and NOT expending my energy on a PROTEST at St Mary's because the BOARD have failed the fans again with no signings. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Agree with the positional needs, I do think RK will come through and we can look forward to a positive future. While I wouldn't change a thing it hasn't always been plain sailing being a saints fan since my first game as a 10 yo in 1968. COYS fascia123
  • Score: 2

5:54pm Sun 3 Aug 14

thinklikealocal says...

I'm fed up with these never ending stories in the 'Daily Rumour'.
I'm fed up with these never ending stories in the 'Daily Rumour'. thinklikealocal
  • Score: 2

5:57pm Sun 3 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
SPOT ON...

It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !!
COYR+WS
Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.
These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it !

This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about)

Long may it continue.

The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over.

RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS
I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair.

If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case.

Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.
If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place.

On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One.

There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB.

I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver.

THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS
Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS
Can his leadership be questioned??

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Ralph promised good communication and at times the silence has been deafening. Overall his performance has been one of disappointment.
COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON... It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !! COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.[/p][/quote]These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it ! This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about) Long may it continue. The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over. RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair. If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case. Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.[/p][/quote]If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place. On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One. There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB. I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver. THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Can his leadership be questioned?? http://www.google.co .uk/url?sa=t&rct =j&q =ralph%20kruegers%20 cv&source=web&am p;cd=1&v ed=0CA4QFjAA&url =htt p%3A%2F%2Fwww.nhl.co m%2Fice%2Fnews.htm%3 Fid%3D636249&ei= 82Xe U8DnDoTY7AanmYDQAg&a mp;u sg=AFQjCNGXIqaCqRddS cLbZ31G4J11dWWPDg[/p][/quote]Ralph promised good communication and at times the silence has been deafening. Overall his performance has been one of disappointment. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 3

6:04pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
SPOT ON...

It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !!
COYR+WS
Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.
These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it !

This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about)

Long may it continue.

The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over.

RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS
I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair.

If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case.

Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.
Fascia123..How can you blame Cortese's vision for what has transpired over the last few weeks?
Up to his departure,that vision,had delivered all that the fans could have possibly desired,and as for the backing of the board,he had had the backing of the man who had originally employed him,and sanctioned the plan.
Unfortunately,that man died,and with him,the plan and the ambition.
There is absolutely nothing to suggest in the way that Cortese ran the club up to the time of his own departure,that he would have allowed the club's financial situation to snowball out of control,and "do a Leeds Utd",more likely the exact opposite, and,in my opinion,it it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise,or indeed to imply that all that has transpired since his departure,which may not have been desirable,is in some way his fault.
True,it has happened as a consequence of his departure,but that doesn't mean that he is the architect of the current malaise, if it indeed it is one,as only what happens on the pitch in the coming season,will turn out to be a tragedy or (I'm hoping),a triumph.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON... It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !! COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.[/p][/quote]These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it ! This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about) Long may it continue. The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over. RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair. If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case. Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.[/p][/quote]Fascia123..How can you blame Cortese's vision for what has transpired over the last few weeks? Up to his departure,that vision,had delivered all that the fans could have possibly desired,and as for the backing of the board,he had had the backing of the man who had originally employed him,and sanctioned the plan. Unfortunately,that man died,and with him,the plan and the ambition. There is absolutely nothing to suggest in the way that Cortese ran the club up to the time of his own departure,that he would have allowed the club's financial situation to snowball out of control,and "do a Leeds Utd",more likely the exact opposite, and,in my opinion,it it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise,or indeed to imply that all that has transpired since his departure,which may not have been desirable,is in some way his fault. True,it has happened as a consequence of his departure,but that doesn't mean that he is the architect of the current malaise, if it indeed it is one,as only what happens on the pitch in the coming season,will turn out to be a tragedy or (I'm hoping),a triumph. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -5

6:09pm Sun 3 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
SPOT ON...

It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !!
COYR+WS
Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.
These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it !

This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about)

Long may it continue.

The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over.

RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS
I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair.

If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case.

Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.
If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place.

On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One.

There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB.

I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver.

THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS
Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS
Well that was a bit of fun.

Next Saturday will tell us a lot more than any hot air we have blown about on here, and let's hope its a positive evening and we can go home basking in the good feeling of what is to come.
OK .. but we have stripped Lovren from the Team and needed to get in QUALITY at CB - Jose Fonte does need support in that position - although improved. I do not AGREE with other Fans he should be Captain. Davis is a better option. Hoover is lower league.

News of additional number One Keeper needed.

News on COVER for Top striker - cannot just rely on Pelle for goals and other other Options do not have the quality to unlock the Top Ten in the Premiership.

News on a WINGER would give the Gaffer Options.

LOOK FORWARD to next Saturday with some positive news and NOT expending my energy on a PROTEST at St Mary's because the BOARD have failed the fans again with no signings. COYR+WS
Agree with the positional needs, I do think RK will come through and we can look forward to a positive future.

While I wouldn't change a thing it hasn't always been plain sailing being a saints fan since my first game as a 10 yo in 1968.

COYS
NO - We DO NEED to manage our Premier League Status and that of the Players with less crisis - more stability - and less erratically.

10 YEARS in the TOP 10 would be a good short term aim.

RK has plenty more to learn in this LEAGUE - and so does Les Reed and the other appointees made by Katherina.

If our OWNER had real passion - there would be plans for Stadium extension or Medium Term new Stadium etc - COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON... It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !! COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.[/p][/quote]These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it ! This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about) Long may it continue. The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over. RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair. If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case. Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.[/p][/quote]If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place. On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One. There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB. I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver. THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Well that was a bit of fun. Next Saturday will tell us a lot more than any hot air we have blown about on here, and let's hope its a positive evening and we can go home basking in the good feeling of what is to come.[/p][/quote]OK .. but we have stripped Lovren from the Team and needed to get in QUALITY at CB - Jose Fonte does need support in that position - although improved. I do not AGREE with other Fans he should be Captain. Davis is a better option. Hoover is lower league. News of additional number One Keeper needed. News on COVER for Top striker - cannot just rely on Pelle for goals and other other Options do not have the quality to unlock the Top Ten in the Premiership. News on a WINGER would give the Gaffer Options. LOOK FORWARD to next Saturday with some positive news and NOT expending my energy on a PROTEST at St Mary's because the BOARD have failed the fans again with no signings. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Agree with the positional needs, I do think RK will come through and we can look forward to a positive future. While I wouldn't change a thing it hasn't always been plain sailing being a saints fan since my first game as a 10 yo in 1968. COYS[/p][/quote]NO - We DO NEED to manage our Premier League Status and that of the Players with less crisis - more stability - and less erratically. 10 YEARS in the TOP 10 would be a good short term aim. RK has plenty more to learn in this LEAGUE - and so does Les Reed and the other appointees made by Katherina. If our OWNER had real passion - there would be plans for Stadium extension or Medium Term new Stadium etc - COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 1

6:26pm Sun 3 Aug 14

SaintsFan97 says...

Honestly the player I'd most want us to sign is Rojo, he's versatile (plays CB for Sporting and LB for Argentina), young (24) and was one of Argentina's most impressive performers at the World Cup (in my opinion). On top of that I think defence is the area we're lacking most at the moment, midfield we're probably fine (even if Schneiderlin leaves I don't think we should be too concerned here) and up front we'll be very strong when Jay Rod is back but we may need extra back-up options.

As everyone has said, Bayer Leverkusen will be the best assessment of how good we really are--we've won all the pre-season games so far but the strongest opposition we've played is Brighton (no disrespect to them but they are a division below us).

I think Pellé and Tadic are better than Lambert and Lallana respectively, Rojo is better than both Shaw and Lovren (based on his performances for Argentina)--I'll be honest I haven't watched Bertrand play a lot but playing in a Champions League final isn't too bad, is it?

If I was to set Saints' transfer targets until the window closes I'd say 1 goalkeeper, at least 1 CB (preferably 2, including Rojo), 1 winger (I watched Redmond last season play against Palace and he was very impressive but not sure if he's consistently that good) and 1 striker to provide back-up for Pellé (I don't think Hernández is the answer).

COYS
Honestly the player I'd most want us to sign is Rojo, he's versatile (plays CB for Sporting and LB for Argentina), young (24) and was one of Argentina's most impressive performers at the World Cup (in my opinion). On top of that I think defence is the area we're lacking most at the moment, midfield we're probably fine (even if Schneiderlin leaves I don't think we should be too concerned here) and up front we'll be very strong when Jay Rod is back but we may need extra back-up options. As everyone has said, Bayer Leverkusen will be the best assessment of how good we really are--we've won all the pre-season games so far but the strongest opposition we've played is Brighton (no disrespect to them but they are a division below us). I think Pellé and Tadic are better than Lambert and Lallana respectively, Rojo is better than both Shaw and Lovren (based on his performances for Argentina)--I'll be honest I haven't watched Bertrand play a lot but playing in a Champions League final isn't too bad, is it? If I was to set Saints' transfer targets until the window closes I'd say 1 goalkeeper, at least 1 CB (preferably 2, including Rojo), 1 winger (I watched Redmond last season play against Palace and he was very impressive but not sure if he's consistently that good) and 1 striker to provide back-up for Pellé (I don't think Hernández is the answer). COYS SaintsFan97
  • Score: 3

6:40pm Sun 3 Aug 14

CB FRY LIVES says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
ashley young is rubbish. he is an over-rated diving cheat.... move on.... nothing to see here....
He might be rubbish but he is keeping Luke fatboy shaw on his toes at Manure vying for the left side wing back position.
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: ashley young is rubbish. he is an over-rated diving cheat.... move on.... nothing to see here....[/p][/quote]He might be rubbish but he is keeping Luke fatboy shaw on his toes at Manure vying for the left side wing back position. CB FRY LIVES
  • Score: 4

6:42pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Dorssaints says...

R Tadic and Pelle combined not as good as La££ana and SRL? Is Bertrand defensively as good as S£aw? CLYNE would have played before Chambers .
With a Centre Back R we not where we ended last season?
.
Then add 2 loans from Inter to the mix!.
.
Who below us has improved there squad more than Saints?
.
Favourites for relegation? Burnley, QPR and Villa?
R Tadic and Pelle combined not as good as La££ana and SRL? Is Bertrand defensively as good as S£aw? CLYNE would have played before Chambers . With a Centre Back R we not where we ended last season? . Then add 2 loans from Inter to the mix!. . Who below us has improved there squad more than Saints? . Favourites for relegation? Burnley, QPR and Villa? Dorssaints
  • Score: 6

6:54pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Saintsayer II says...

westfordUSAsaints wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
And in the second half of the season the goals came from where exactly? We couldn't beat Cardiff at home, we bundled in a late goal at Swansea, we were hardly taking teams apart and all that possession normally led to nawt, it looked good, but we lacked bite and front 3 didn't deliver.

Besides the Fulham game, who were carp anyway, we didn't exactly light up the league with our scoring, now did we?

It was all plan A with Poch, all right to left and back again passing with very little penetration into the box. When we got to the edge of the box, the final product was not there. Poch got found out by far superior tactically minded managers. Jose had him nailed.

I expect this season will be much better and will judge what we have after 10 games in.
We faltered in the second half of the season because of the high intensity game that MoPo used It is not sustainable over a whole season Basically after months of double training sessions the players were knackered
JWP when interviewed after the Brighton game said that training was more short sharp sessions and that they now start the game fresher
[quote][p][bold]westfordUSAsaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]And in the second half of the season the goals came from where exactly? We couldn't beat Cardiff at home, we bundled in a late goal at Swansea, we were hardly taking teams apart and all that possession normally led to nawt, it looked good, but we lacked bite and front 3 didn't deliver. Besides the Fulham game, who were carp anyway, we didn't exactly light up the league with our scoring, now did we? It was all plan A with Poch, all right to left and back again passing with very little penetration into the box. When we got to the edge of the box, the final product was not there. Poch got found out by far superior tactically minded managers. Jose had him nailed. I expect this season will be much better and will judge what we have after 10 games in.[/p][/quote]We faltered in the second half of the season because of the high intensity game that MoPo used It is not sustainable over a whole season Basically after months of double training sessions the players were knackered JWP when interviewed after the Brighton game said that training was more short sharp sessions and that they now start the game fresher Saintsayer II
  • Score: 6

6:56pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Invidia says...

I said some time ago I like Jay Rod but I still believe that he is not as good as most fans think he is, if he had taken half the chances that came his way he would have got the golden boot last season, he has improved but is not the finished article, besides I don't believe that he will come back and play like he did last season, it takes a long time not only to mend the body after that sort of injury but it takes even longer to mend the mind.
I said some time ago I like Jay Rod but I still believe that he is not as good as most fans think he is, if he had taken half the chances that came his way he would have got the golden boot last season, he has improved but is not the finished article, besides I don't believe that he will come back and play like he did last season, it takes a long time not only to mend the body after that sort of injury but it takes even longer to mend the mind. Invidia
  • Score: 4

6:56pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Redslo says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
Tadic also appears to be a goal scorer. And, as I have said before, the Salary Cap rules meant that we had to sell players for a net profit if we wanted to expand our team this year. Keeping last year's team together would have meant basically no new players in and no significant pay raises for the players we kept.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]Tadic also appears to be a goal scorer. And, as I have said before, the Salary Cap rules meant that we had to sell players for a net profit if we wanted to expand our team this year. Keeping last year's team together would have meant basically no new players in and no significant pay raises for the players we kept. Redslo
  • Score: 4

6:56pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
westfordUSAsaints wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
And in the second half of the season the goals came from where exactly? We couldn't beat Cardiff at home, we bundled in a late goal at Swansea, we were hardly taking teams apart and all that possession normally led to nawt, it looked good, but we lacked bite and front 3 didn't deliver.

Besides the Fulham game, who were carp anyway, we didn't exactly light up the league with our scoring, now did we?

It was all plan A with Poch, all right to left and back again passing with very little penetration into the box. When we got to the edge of the box, the final product was not there. Poch got found out by far superior tactically minded managers. Jose had him nailed.

I expect this season will be much better and will judge what we have after 10 games in.
We faltered in the second half of the season because of the high intensity game that MoPo used It is not sustainable over a whole season Basically after months of double training sessions the players were knackered
JWP when interviewed after the Brighton game said that training was more short sharp sessions and that they now start the game fresher
Good shout
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westfordUSAsaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]And in the second half of the season the goals came from where exactly? We couldn't beat Cardiff at home, we bundled in a late goal at Swansea, we were hardly taking teams apart and all that possession normally led to nawt, it looked good, but we lacked bite and front 3 didn't deliver. Besides the Fulham game, who were carp anyway, we didn't exactly light up the league with our scoring, now did we? It was all plan A with Poch, all right to left and back again passing with very little penetration into the box. When we got to the edge of the box, the final product was not there. Poch got found out by far superior tactically minded managers. Jose had him nailed. I expect this season will be much better and will judge what we have after 10 games in.[/p][/quote]We faltered in the second half of the season because of the high intensity game that MoPo used It is not sustainable over a whole season Basically after months of double training sessions the players were knackered JWP when interviewed after the Brighton game said that training was more short sharp sessions and that they now start the game fresher[/p][/quote]Good shout fascia123
  • Score: 6

6:57pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Dooorrrset saint says...

Block 42 wrote:
Why jack rodwell..hes rubbish and 9 million for a player who hardly ever plays...hernandez please and possibly wes sneider.
Errr and how many games did Hernandez start last season????? At least think before you comment to55er
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Why jack rodwell..hes rubbish and 9 million for a player who hardly ever plays...hernandez please and possibly wes sneider.[/p][/quote]Errr and how many games did Hernandez start last season????? At least think before you comment to55er Dooorrrset saint
  • Score: 1

7:02pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Redslo wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
Tadic also appears to be a goal scorer. And, as I have said before, the Salary Cap rules meant that we had to sell players for a net profit if we wanted to expand our team this year. Keeping last year's team together would have meant basically no new players in and no significant pay raises for the players we kept.
But we only needed to have offloaded some dross,and bring in a striker,GK and a CB,and the team would have been ticking over nicely.
[quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]Tadic also appears to be a goal scorer. And, as I have said before, the Salary Cap rules meant that we had to sell players for a net profit if we wanted to expand our team this year. Keeping last year's team together would have meant basically no new players in and no significant pay raises for the players we kept.[/p][/quote]But we only needed to have offloaded some dross,and bring in a striker,GK and a CB,and the team would have been ticking over nicely. Positively4thStreet
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7:02pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
SPOT ON...

It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !!
COYR+WS
Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.
These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it !

This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about)

Long may it continue.

The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over.

RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS
I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair.

If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case.

Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.
If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place.

On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One.

There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB.

I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver.

THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS
Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS
Well that was a bit of fun.

Next Saturday will tell us a lot more than any hot air we have blown about on here, and let's hope its a positive evening and we can go home basking in the good feeling of what is to come.
OK .. but we have stripped Lovren from the Team and needed to get in QUALITY at CB - Jose Fonte does need support in that position - although improved. I do not AGREE with other Fans he should be Captain. Davis is a better option. Hoover is lower league.

News of additional number One Keeper needed.

News on COVER for Top striker - cannot just rely on Pelle for goals and other other Options do not have the quality to unlock the Top Ten in the Premiership.

News on a WINGER would give the Gaffer Options.

LOOK FORWARD to next Saturday with some positive news and NOT expending my energy on a PROTEST at St Mary's because the BOARD have failed the fans again with no signings. COYR+WS
Agree with the positional needs, I do think RK will come through and we can look forward to a positive future.

While I wouldn't change a thing it hasn't always been plain sailing being a saints fan since my first game as a 10 yo in 1968.

COYS
NO - We DO NEED to manage our Premier League Status and that of the Players with less crisis - more stability - and less erratically.

10 YEARS in the TOP 10 would be a good short term aim.

RK has plenty more to learn in this LEAGUE - and so does Les Reed and the other appointees made by Katherina.

If our OWNER had real passion - there would be plans for Stadium extension or Medium Term new Stadium etc - COYR+WS
Have we got the following to fill it, I was a season ticket holder for years through other commitments had to give them up, however, I never have trouble getting tickets even for the big games.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON... It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !! COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.[/p][/quote]These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it ! This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about) Long may it continue. The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over. RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair. If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case. Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.[/p][/quote]If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place. On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One. There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB. I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver. THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Well that was a bit of fun. Next Saturday will tell us a lot more than any hot air we have blown about on here, and let's hope its a positive evening and we can go home basking in the good feeling of what is to come.[/p][/quote]OK .. but we have stripped Lovren from the Team and needed to get in QUALITY at CB - Jose Fonte does need support in that position - although improved. I do not AGREE with other Fans he should be Captain. Davis is a better option. Hoover is lower league. News of additional number One Keeper needed. News on COVER for Top striker - cannot just rely on Pelle for goals and other other Options do not have the quality to unlock the Top Ten in the Premiership. News on a WINGER would give the Gaffer Options. LOOK FORWARD to next Saturday with some positive news and NOT expending my energy on a PROTEST at St Mary's because the BOARD have failed the fans again with no signings. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Agree with the positional needs, I do think RK will come through and we can look forward to a positive future. While I wouldn't change a thing it hasn't always been plain sailing being a saints fan since my first game as a 10 yo in 1968. COYS[/p][/quote]NO - We DO NEED to manage our Premier League Status and that of the Players with less crisis - more stability - and less erratically. 10 YEARS in the TOP 10 would be a good short term aim. RK has plenty more to learn in this LEAGUE - and so does Les Reed and the other appointees made by Katherina. If our OWNER had real passion - there would be plans for Stadium extension or Medium Term new Stadium etc - COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Have we got the following to fill it, I was a season ticket holder for years through other commitments had to give them up, however, I never have trouble getting tickets even for the big games. fascia123
  • Score: 1

7:07pm Sun 3 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
SPOT ON...

It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !!
COYR+WS
Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.
These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it !

This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about)

Long may it continue.

The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over.

RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS
I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair.

If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case.

Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.
If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place.

On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One.

There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB.

I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver.

THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS
Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS
Well that was a bit of fun.

Next Saturday will tell us a lot more than any hot air we have blown about on here, and let's hope its a positive evening and we can go home basking in the good feeling of what is to come.
OK .. but we have stripped Lovren from the Team and needed to get in QUALITY at CB - Jose Fonte does need support in that position - although improved. I do not AGREE with other Fans he should be Captain. Davis is a better option. Hoover is lower league.

News of additional number One Keeper needed.

News on COVER for Top striker - cannot just rely on Pelle for goals and other other Options do not have the quality to unlock the Top Ten in the Premiership.

News on a WINGER would give the Gaffer Options.

LOOK FORWARD to next Saturday with some positive news and NOT expending my energy on a PROTEST at St Mary's because the BOARD have failed the fans again with no signings. COYR+WS
Agree with the positional needs, I do think RK will come through and we can look forward to a positive future.

While I wouldn't change a thing it hasn't always been plain sailing being a saints fan since my first game as a 10 yo in 1968.

COYS
NO - We DO NEED to manage our Premier League Status and that of the Players with less crisis - more stability - and less erratically.

10 YEARS in the TOP 10 would be a good short term aim.

RK has plenty more to learn in this LEAGUE - and so does Les Reed and the other appointees made by Katherina.

If our OWNER had real passion - there would be plans for Stadium extension or Medium Term new Stadium etc - COYR+WS
Have we got the following to fill it, I was a season ticket holder for years through other commitments had to give them up, however, I never have trouble getting tickets even for the big games.
Many posters have cited other Clubs that have met that challenge.

Wet Spam will struggle - but with innovative ideas are getting more supporters to sign up to the new Stadum,

We could do even better.

STRONG LEADERSHIP and a Passionate Owner are Key. COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON... It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !! COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.[/p][/quote]These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it ! This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about) Long may it continue. The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over. RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair. If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case. Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.[/p][/quote]If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place. On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One. There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB. I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver. THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Well that was a bit of fun. Next Saturday will tell us a lot more than any hot air we have blown about on here, and let's hope its a positive evening and we can go home basking in the good feeling of what is to come.[/p][/quote]OK .. but we have stripped Lovren from the Team and needed to get in QUALITY at CB - Jose Fonte does need support in that position - although improved. I do not AGREE with other Fans he should be Captain. Davis is a better option. Hoover is lower league. News of additional number One Keeper needed. News on COVER for Top striker - cannot just rely on Pelle for goals and other other Options do not have the quality to unlock the Top Ten in the Premiership. News on a WINGER would give the Gaffer Options. LOOK FORWARD to next Saturday with some positive news and NOT expending my energy on a PROTEST at St Mary's because the BOARD have failed the fans again with no signings. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Agree with the positional needs, I do think RK will come through and we can look forward to a positive future. While I wouldn't change a thing it hasn't always been plain sailing being a saints fan since my first game as a 10 yo in 1968. COYS[/p][/quote]NO - We DO NEED to manage our Premier League Status and that of the Players with less crisis - more stability - and less erratically. 10 YEARS in the TOP 10 would be a good short term aim. RK has plenty more to learn in this LEAGUE - and so does Les Reed and the other appointees made by Katherina. If our OWNER had real passion - there would be plans for Stadium extension or Medium Term new Stadium etc - COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Have we got the following to fill it, I was a season ticket holder for years through other commitments had to give them up, however, I never have trouble getting tickets even for the big games.[/p][/quote]Many posters have cited other Clubs that have met that challenge. Wet Spam will struggle - but with innovative ideas are getting more supporters to sign up to the new Stadum, We could do even better. STRONG LEADERSHIP and a Passionate Owner are Key. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 6

7:14pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Redslo says...

I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c
om
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om Redslo
  • Score: 5

7:17pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c

om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
[quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -3

7:22pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
SPOT ON...

It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !!
COYR+WS
Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.
These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it !

This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about)

Long may it continue.

The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over.

RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS
I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair.

If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case.

Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.
If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place.

On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One.

There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB.

I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver.

THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS
Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS
Well that was a bit of fun.

Next Saturday will tell us a lot more than any hot air we have blown about on here, and let's hope its a positive evening and we can go home basking in the good feeling of what is to come.
OK .. but we have stripped Lovren from the Team and needed to get in QUALITY at CB - Jose Fonte does need support in that position - although improved. I do not AGREE with other Fans he should be Captain. Davis is a better option. Hoover is lower league.

News of additional number One Keeper needed.

News on COVER for Top striker - cannot just rely on Pelle for goals and other other Options do not have the quality to unlock the Top Ten in the Premiership.

News on a WINGER would give the Gaffer Options.

LOOK FORWARD to next Saturday with some positive news and NOT expending my energy on a PROTEST at St Mary's because the BOARD have failed the fans again with no signings. COYR+WS
Agree with the positional needs, I do think RK will come through and we can look forward to a positive future.

While I wouldn't change a thing it hasn't always been plain sailing being a saints fan since my first game as a 10 yo in 1968.

COYS
NO - We DO NEED to manage our Premier League Status and that of the Players with less crisis - more stability - and less erratically.

10 YEARS in the TOP 10 would be a good short term aim.

RK has plenty more to learn in this LEAGUE - and so does Les Reed and the other appointees made by Katherina.

If our OWNER had real passion - there would be plans for Stadium extension or Medium Term new Stadium etc - COYR+WS
Have we got the following to fill it, I was a season ticket holder for years through other commitments had to give them up, however, I never have trouble getting tickets even for the big games.
Many posters have cited other Clubs that have met that challenge.

Wet Spam will struggle - but with innovative ideas are getting more supporters to sign up to the new Stadum,

We could do even better.

STRONG LEADERSHIP and a Passionate Owner are Key. COYR+WS
I think we would be up against the following.

More games on TV
Not as much money about as used to be
Not sure we have following to add 10/20K to gate per week

We have just had one of our most successful periods, under several stewardships and I can't remember that many sell outs.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON... It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !! COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.[/p][/quote]These so called MORONS are fellow SAINTS FANS... who are entitled to have their say and if they get hot under the collar or want to vent off - so be it ! This Forum produces lively debate on all things SAINTS and sometimes ex-players (that no-one CARES about) Long may it continue. The outdated culture of ACCEPTANCE that SFC had to fight relegation year on year or having to accept SECOND OR THIRD BEST is over. RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]I have no problem with genuine fans, but when they don't seem to have the slightest idea about football, call each other abusive names and threaten each other I despair. If you can excuses this as venting frustration well I rest my case. Outdated culture, is that the one while I would admit got us from the lower divisions, that could potentially of threatened our existence again, promising the earth to players without the backing of the board and owners, one mans vision is to blame for what has transpired over the last weeks not the board or owners.[/p][/quote]If MORE Fans went to the HOME and AWAY Games and did not use a Forum as a single means of gratification for supporting the Club and if the PC Police did not spend energy correcting spelling and adding criticism to other Saints Fans instead of focussing on the main issues - perhaps the world would be a better place. On the issue of culture - TOGETHER AS ONE - we have moved positively in the dame direction for a number of years from the basement of League One. There is no reason for the next decade that SFC should not be a SUCCESSFUL CLUB. I recognise that basic mistakes were made by the Board and that when strong Leadership was needed - Ralph Kruger - does not have the positives to deliver. THAT SAID - It was good to travel to BRIGHTON AWAY and give my vocal support to the Manager and Current Team. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Correction to above post: Ralph Krueger does not have the personality to DELIVER STRONG LEADERSHIP. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Well that was a bit of fun. Next Saturday will tell us a lot more than any hot air we have blown about on here, and let's hope its a positive evening and we can go home basking in the good feeling of what is to come.[/p][/quote]OK .. but we have stripped Lovren from the Team and needed to get in QUALITY at CB - Jose Fonte does need support in that position - although improved. I do not AGREE with other Fans he should be Captain. Davis is a better option. Hoover is lower league. News of additional number One Keeper needed. News on COVER for Top striker - cannot just rely on Pelle for goals and other other Options do not have the quality to unlock the Top Ten in the Premiership. News on a WINGER would give the Gaffer Options. LOOK FORWARD to next Saturday with some positive news and NOT expending my energy on a PROTEST at St Mary's because the BOARD have failed the fans again with no signings. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Agree with the positional needs, I do think RK will come through and we can look forward to a positive future. While I wouldn't change a thing it hasn't always been plain sailing being a saints fan since my first game as a 10 yo in 1968. COYS[/p][/quote]NO - We DO NEED to manage our Premier League Status and that of the Players with less crisis - more stability - and less erratically. 10 YEARS in the TOP 10 would be a good short term aim. RK has plenty more to learn in this LEAGUE - and so does Les Reed and the other appointees made by Katherina. If our OWNER had real passion - there would be plans for Stadium extension or Medium Term new Stadium etc - COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Have we got the following to fill it, I was a season ticket holder for years through other commitments had to give them up, however, I never have trouble getting tickets even for the big games.[/p][/quote]Many posters have cited other Clubs that have met that challenge. Wet Spam will struggle - but with innovative ideas are getting more supporters to sign up to the new Stadum, We could do even better. STRONG LEADERSHIP and a Passionate Owner are Key. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]I think we would be up against the following. More games on TV Not as much money about as used to be Not sure we have following to add 10/20K to gate per week We have just had one of our most successful periods, under several stewardships and I can't remember that many sell outs. fascia123
  • Score: 1

7:26pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c


om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left? fascia123
  • Score: 1

7:33pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
ashley young is rubbish. he is an over-rated diving cheat.... move on.... nothing to see here....
Agreed. No thanks.
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: ashley young is rubbish. he is an over-rated diving cheat.... move on.... nothing to see here....[/p][/quote]Agreed. No thanks. Clever Dick
  • Score: 2

7:36pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Simmo13 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
ashley young is rubbish. he is an over-rated diving cheat.... move on.... nothing to see here....
Agreed. No thanks.
Agree a diver a cheat and not worth even considering
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: ashley young is rubbish. he is an over-rated diving cheat.... move on.... nothing to see here....[/p][/quote]Agreed. No thanks.[/p][/quote]Agree a diver a cheat and not worth even considering Simmo13
  • Score: 3

7:42pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Simmo13 says...

Dooorrrset saint wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Why jack rodwell..hes rubbish and 9 million for a player who hardly ever plays...hernandez please and possibly wes sneider.
Errr and how many games did Hernandez start last season????? At least think before you comment to55er
Roswell rubbish are you all there fantastic player and Everton want him back !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Dooorrrset saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Why jack rodwell..hes rubbish and 9 million for a player who hardly ever plays...hernandez please and possibly wes sneider.[/p][/quote]Errr and how many games did Hernandez start last season????? At least think before you comment to55er[/p][/quote]Roswell rubbish are you all there fantastic player and Everton want him back !!!! Simmo13
  • Score: 2

7:43pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Blind Faith Believer says...

I am encouraged by our pre-season run outs and everything I have heard from Ronald Koeman. I am also totally bored of the press stirring up further discontent amongst our fans about our summer Of chaotic rudderless tragic comedy - SRL, Lallana, Shaw, Lovren and Chambers have all left the club, I was gutted at the time (and Les Reed did a pigs ear of it) but we all have to move on now. I personally think that Schneiderlin and Rodriguez won't be going from the club until January window at the earliest (2 reasons - a) their respective values will be considerably higher then than now b) Ralph Krueger cannot now back down without having to resign).
Remember our first 10 PL fixtures present 8 winnable matches if we have all our transfer targets in place AND RK has a chance to blend them into a team!
Plan from here is very clear....
Sign up Fonte and Cork on contracts with improved terms right now - we need clear sign that we reward loyal players with premier league quality.
Buy Rojo from Sporting Lisbon, he is quality international footballer that can play centre back and they want to sell. Don't mess about on the purchase price, but be very clear on the sell-on clause and detail a release price upfront. His interest in us is to get to the Premier league and will probably on stay 18 months.
Put a sensible offer on the table for Fraser Forster. Celtic are potless and after the second leg against Legia Warsaw will only have the SPL at a canter (even if they had Paolo Gazzaniga in goal!), but they are a proud club with an international reputation - so cheap bargaining tricks will just delay the deal until September deadline day.
Be careful about the swap loan deal with Inter Milan. I will be delighted as anyone else to get Osvaldo away from Staplewood, he is clearly bad news and we don't any more drama. Saphir Taider is a quality player and a great prospect, but does he really want to come to the saints? Is Schelotto really any good or just a whole hearted trier? (We all loved cheering for Steve de Ridder but it didn't make him any more effective did it?)
I would be really worried about Jack Rodwell or Javier Hernandez, not for playing reasons - they are both excellent - but because I cannot see their motivation for joining the Saints.
With these moves tied up we will be competitive in the Premier League
- no danger?
But the one position we have a really big problem is scoring goals. Pelle looks a good target man (big and strong with a subtle touch) but scoring goals in the PL is a real premium. Sadly Mayuka and Sharp aren't good enough. Big Sam will get better again, some nice touches against Swindon suggest he reads the game well - but he is not ready to lead a premier league attack. Until JayRod returns from injury we are really going to struggle to score. I promise I am not being a neggie, but get ready for a lot of 0-0, 1-0, 0-1 over the first three months of the season.
Unless someone can scout us a striker who has a track record of scoring in the Premier League.
Can't wait for Bayer Levekeusen next Saturday!
I am encouraged by our pre-season run outs and everything I have heard from Ronald Koeman. I am also totally bored of the press stirring up further discontent amongst our fans about our summer Of chaotic rudderless tragic comedy - SRL, Lallana, Shaw, Lovren and Chambers have all left the club, I was gutted at the time (and Les Reed did a pigs ear of it) but we all have to move on now. I personally think that Schneiderlin and Rodriguez won't be going from the club until January window at the earliest (2 reasons - a) their respective values will be considerably higher then than now b) Ralph Krueger cannot now back down without having to resign). Remember our first 10 PL fixtures present 8 winnable matches if we have all our transfer targets in place AND RK has a chance to blend them into a team! Plan from here is very clear.... Sign up Fonte and Cork on contracts with improved terms right now - we need clear sign that we reward loyal players with premier league quality. Buy Rojo from Sporting Lisbon, he is quality international footballer that can play centre back and they want to sell. Don't mess about on the purchase price, but be very clear on the sell-on clause and detail a release price upfront. His interest in us is to get to the Premier league and will probably on stay 18 months. Put a sensible offer on the table for Fraser Forster. Celtic are potless and after the second leg against Legia Warsaw will only have the SPL at a canter (even if they had Paolo Gazzaniga in goal!), but they are a proud club with an international reputation - so cheap bargaining tricks will just delay the deal until September deadline day. Be careful about the swap loan deal with Inter Milan. I will be delighted as anyone else to get Osvaldo away from Staplewood, he is clearly bad news and we don't any more drama. Saphir Taider is a quality player and a great prospect, but does he really want to come to the saints? Is Schelotto really any good or just a whole hearted trier? (We all loved cheering for Steve de Ridder but it didn't make him any more effective did it?) I would be really worried about Jack Rodwell or Javier Hernandez, not for playing reasons - they are both excellent - but because I cannot see their motivation for joining the Saints. With these moves tied up we will be competitive in the Premier League - no danger? But the one position we have a really big problem is scoring goals. Pelle looks a good target man (big and strong with a subtle touch) but scoring goals in the PL is a real premium. Sadly Mayuka and Sharp aren't good enough. Big Sam will get better again, some nice touches against Swindon suggest he reads the game well - but he is not ready to lead a premier league attack. Until JayRod returns from injury we are really going to struggle to score. I promise I am not being a neggie, but get ready for a lot of 0-0, 1-0, 0-1 over the first three months of the season. Unless someone can scout us a striker who has a track record of scoring in the Premier League. Can't wait for Bayer Levekeusen next Saturday! Blind Faith Believer
  • Score: 3

7:50pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c



om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents. How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -2

8:00pm Sun 3 Aug 14

george chivers says...

Just sign some decent players soon Les, especially defenders or the first six fixtures are at risk and we don't need that. Time is ebbing away to get them integrated into the squad before the start of the season.
Just sign some decent players soon Les, especially defenders or the first six fixtures are at risk and we don't need that. Time is ebbing away to get them integrated into the squad before the start of the season. george chivers
  • Score: 3

8:02pm Sun 3 Aug 14

jls217 says...

This article is quite clear that we signed Taider on Friday accoding to Rambo.

Can find no confirmation of this anjywhere - anybody offer an update please - this article is two hours old.


Inter Milan winger Ezequiel Schelotto is set to join teammate Saphir Taider in a move to Southampton.

According to the Daily Echo, the Italian, who was sent on-loan to Parma in Serie A last season, could also be part of a swap deal that takes Dani Osvaldo to Inter Milan.

Related links

- Saints in race to revive £9m England outcast's career
- Southampton eye triple transfer triumph
- Chelsea outcast perfect for new club in fresh start

The signing of Scheletto would be a good deal for the South coast club, who are looking to strengthen their squad this summer following a string of outgoings.

Double swoop

If Southampton do manage the signing of Schelotto, he will almost certainly be accompanied by his Inter Milan teammate Saphir Taider.

Southampton manager Ronald Koeman confirmed on Friday that he was pleased to secure the Taider deal and he would prove an excellent midfield option for the Saints.

"Taider brings quality and we need that. We need competition in the squad as well and that will be good." he told Sky Sports.

Quality in depth

The double signing would also add some depth to the Southampton squad, with Taider able to play in the attacking third as well as a central midfielder, whilst Schelotto will add pace and power to the wide areas which is much needed in the absence of the injured Jay Rodriguez.

Southampton's midfield would most certainly be their strongest area with the signing of Taider and Schelotto, and with Morgan Schneiderlin, Victor Wanyama, Jack Cork, Steven Davis and James Ward-Prowse all vying for a role, Koeman might even struggle to keep everyone happy next season.

With Gaston Ramirez and Dusan Tadic also in the mix for the more advanced positions, Koeman will have plenty of options to choose from, and he will hope that the competition spurs his player's to an even higher level than last season.
This article is quite clear that we signed Taider on Friday accoding to Rambo. Can find no confirmation of this anjywhere - anybody offer an update please - this article is two hours old. Inter Milan winger Ezequiel Schelotto is set to join teammate Saphir Taider in a move to Southampton. According to the Daily Echo, the Italian, who was sent on-loan to Parma in Serie A last season, could also be part of a swap deal that takes Dani Osvaldo to Inter Milan. Related links - Saints in race to revive £9m England outcast's career - Southampton eye triple transfer triumph - Chelsea outcast perfect for new club in fresh start The signing of Scheletto would be a good deal for the South coast club, who are looking to strengthen their squad this summer following a string of outgoings. Double swoop If Southampton do manage the signing of Schelotto, he will almost certainly be accompanied by his Inter Milan teammate Saphir Taider. Southampton manager Ronald Koeman confirmed on Friday that he was pleased to secure the Taider deal and he would prove an excellent midfield option for the Saints. "Taider brings quality and we need that. We need competition in the squad as well and that will be good." he told Sky Sports. Quality in depth The double signing would also add some depth to the Southampton squad, with Taider able to play in the attacking third as well as a central midfielder, whilst Schelotto will add pace and power to the wide areas which is much needed in the absence of the injured Jay Rodriguez. Southampton's midfield would most certainly be their strongest area with the signing of Taider and Schelotto, and with Morgan Schneiderlin, Victor Wanyama, Jack Cork, Steven Davis and James Ward-Prowse all vying for a role, Koeman might even struggle to keep everyone happy next season. With Gaston Ramirez and Dusan Tadic also in the mix for the more advanced positions, Koeman will have plenty of options to choose from, and he will hope that the competition spurs his player's to an even higher level than last season. jls217
  • Score: 6

8:02pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them.

Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?
But would it of improved I haven't done a study of the stats but I believe Poxis tactics were being found out and on quite a few occasions, Chelsea being one when the other team changed the game plan to match our endeavour and negate our tactics he didn't have a plan b.

You can have all the possession you want look at the a Villa game, 73% was it and we lost.

I liken to the success new player often have coming to the PL once the teams have checked all the video footage they often disappoint in the second half of the season.

The future looks better with players that want to play for club and manager.
I believe the players that have been replaced are as good as the ones we have lost for midfield and upfront.

However - just because thy are as good it doesn't mean they will play as well as a team - and we may have to wait a month or two before they gel. Unfortunately this means we won't tart a well as we did last season.

Sadly the left back isn't as good as Shaw, and we have lost our key CB. Therefore to my mind, any new defenders need to be drilled quickly to operate as a team that are better than the sum of their parts. It maybe that we will get a new quality defender that will fit well into our new defence. The key to our whole season will be the time it takes to get our defence up to speed.

One thing that may be an advantage is that any new system devised by Ron will need to sussed out by our PL rivals - which could help buy us a bit of time over the first half of the season.

I don't believe Rodwell will come here. He could be good signing - but I feel he will o to either Spurs or Newcastle.
Just my opinion but I think Bertrand will prove to be a much better wing back than LS.. Not sure what the defensive stats are but if he provides one assist less than LS all season it means he won't be providing any. LS is a very overhyped player because he is English and because of his age and also because he is a product of the Saints academy. We robbed Manure and they will soon be finding out his shortcomings. Gareth Bale he certainly isn't.
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]For me, the worry (at times bordering on hysteria) has been more than the fact proven players have left for untested ones - rather it's that young players from our academy have left without - it appears - us fighting to keep them. Because if Chambers, LL and Shaw don't want to stay/can't be convinced to stay, having been here all their footballing lives, how can we possibly expect to keep others in the future?[/p][/quote]But would it of improved I haven't done a study of the stats but I believe Poxis tactics were being found out and on quite a few occasions, Chelsea being one when the other team changed the game plan to match our endeavour and negate our tactics he didn't have a plan b. You can have all the possession you want look at the a Villa game, 73% was it and we lost. I liken to the success new player often have coming to the PL once the teams have checked all the video footage they often disappoint in the second half of the season. The future looks better with players that want to play for club and manager.[/p][/quote]I believe the players that have been replaced are as good as the ones we have lost for midfield and upfront. However - just because thy are as good it doesn't mean they will play as well as a team - and we may have to wait a month or two before they gel. Unfortunately this means we won't tart a well as we did last season. Sadly the left back isn't as good as Shaw, and we have lost our key CB. Therefore to my mind, any new defenders need to be drilled quickly to operate as a team that are better than the sum of their parts. It maybe that we will get a new quality defender that will fit well into our new defence. The key to our whole season will be the time it takes to get our defence up to speed. One thing that may be an advantage is that any new system devised by Ron will need to sussed out by our PL rivals - which could help buy us a bit of time over the first half of the season. I don't believe Rodwell will come here. He could be good signing - but I feel he will o to either Spurs or Newcastle.[/p][/quote]Just my opinion but I think Bertrand will prove to be a much better wing back than LS.. Not sure what the defensive stats are but if he provides one assist less than LS all season it means he won't be providing any. LS is a very overhyped player because he is English and because of his age and also because he is a product of the Saints academy. We robbed Manure and they will soon be finding out his shortcomings. Gareth Bale he certainly isn't. Clever Dick
  • Score: 3

8:10pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c




om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners.

I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be.

All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents. How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.[/p][/quote]Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners. I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be. All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc. fascia123
  • Score: 3

8:19pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Invidia says...

jls217 wrote:
This article is quite clear that we signed Taider on Friday accoding to Rambo.

Can find no confirmation of this anjywhere - anybody offer an update please - this article is two hours old.


Inter Milan winger Ezequiel Schelotto is set to join teammate Saphir Taider in a move to Southampton.

According to the Daily Echo, the Italian, who was sent on-loan to Parma in Serie A last season, could also be part of a swap deal that takes Dani Osvaldo to Inter Milan.

Related links

- Saints in race to revive £9m England outcast's career
- Southampton eye triple transfer triumph
- Chelsea outcast perfect for new club in fresh start

The signing of Scheletto would be a good deal for the South coast club, who are looking to strengthen their squad this summer following a string of outgoings.

Double swoop

If Southampton do manage the signing of Schelotto, he will almost certainly be accompanied by his Inter Milan teammate Saphir Taider.

Southampton manager Ronald Koeman confirmed on Friday that he was pleased to secure the Taider deal and he would prove an excellent midfield option for the Saints.

"Taider brings quality and we need that. We need competition in the squad as well and that will be good." he told Sky Sports.

Quality in depth

The double signing would also add some depth to the Southampton squad, with Taider able to play in the attacking third as well as a central midfielder, whilst Schelotto will add pace and power to the wide areas which is much needed in the absence of the injured Jay Rodriguez.

Southampton's midfield would most certainly be their strongest area with the signing of Taider and Schelotto, and with Morgan Schneiderlin, Victor Wanyama, Jack Cork, Steven Davis and James Ward-Prowse all vying for a role, Koeman might even struggle to keep everyone happy next season.

With Gaston Ramirez and Dusan Tadic also in the mix for the more advanced positions, Koeman will have plenty of options to choose from, and he will hope that the competition spurs his player's to an even higher level than last season.
I think everyone agrees that we have an abundance of midfield options but our defence is lacking that includes a GK, We have Pelle and Gallagher as our main strikers plus Mayuka and Billy boy both are ok as subs but will not score many goals in the PL
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: This article is quite clear that we signed Taider on Friday accoding to Rambo. Can find no confirmation of this anjywhere - anybody offer an update please - this article is two hours old. Inter Milan winger Ezequiel Schelotto is set to join teammate Saphir Taider in a move to Southampton. According to the Daily Echo, the Italian, who was sent on-loan to Parma in Serie A last season, could also be part of a swap deal that takes Dani Osvaldo to Inter Milan. Related links - Saints in race to revive £9m England outcast's career - Southampton eye triple transfer triumph - Chelsea outcast perfect for new club in fresh start The signing of Scheletto would be a good deal for the South coast club, who are looking to strengthen their squad this summer following a string of outgoings. Double swoop If Southampton do manage the signing of Schelotto, he will almost certainly be accompanied by his Inter Milan teammate Saphir Taider. Southampton manager Ronald Koeman confirmed on Friday that he was pleased to secure the Taider deal and he would prove an excellent midfield option for the Saints. "Taider brings quality and we need that. We need competition in the squad as well and that will be good." he told Sky Sports. Quality in depth The double signing would also add some depth to the Southampton squad, with Taider able to play in the attacking third as well as a central midfielder, whilst Schelotto will add pace and power to the wide areas which is much needed in the absence of the injured Jay Rodriguez. Southampton's midfield would most certainly be their strongest area with the signing of Taider and Schelotto, and with Morgan Schneiderlin, Victor Wanyama, Jack Cork, Steven Davis and James Ward-Prowse all vying for a role, Koeman might even struggle to keep everyone happy next season. With Gaston Ramirez and Dusan Tadic also in the mix for the more advanced positions, Koeman will have plenty of options to choose from, and he will hope that the competition spurs his player's to an even higher level than last season.[/p][/quote]I think everyone agrees that we have an abundance of midfield options but our defence is lacking that includes a GK, We have Pelle and Gallagher as our main strikers plus Mayuka and Billy boy both are ok as subs but will not score many goals in the PL Invidia
  • Score: 4

8:20pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Chapperall says...

Ashley young no way we don't want that useless poser! Why all these midfielders when we need defenders?
Ashley young no way we don't want that useless poser! Why all these midfielders when we need defenders? Chapperall
  • Score: 3

8:29pm Sun 3 Aug 14

footballfan123 says...

So late into the evening still no signings! The problem is, no matter how much money we have in the bank a few things are happening:
Top players will not come to Southampton. If they are that good, why would they come to a club that has just sold their 5 best players? Hernandez played in front of 110 thousand people in America yesterday. Why an earth would he come to us to play in front of 8 thousand next week for the friendly? And we would not be able to match his wages! It's obvious!
Secondly, clubs do not want to sell their best players. I understand that Burnley want 15m plus for Danny Ings. Who can blame them wanting a lot for a player that could keep them up?
I think the club have been naive in thinking that we can just spend the money on new players. The quality we need will not come to us! If they are that good they will go to a bigger club on more money! Its obvious! So I think the lack of signings is because players are not agreeing to come! We will most probably end up panick buying and getting in Leyton Orients promising centre back. He would come to us!
So late into the evening still no signings! The problem is, no matter how much money we have in the bank a few things are happening: Top players will not come to Southampton. If they are that good, why would they come to a club that has just sold their 5 best players? Hernandez played in front of 110 thousand people in America yesterday. Why an earth would he come to us to play in front of 8 thousand next week for the friendly? And we would not be able to match his wages! It's obvious! Secondly, clubs do not want to sell their best players. I understand that Burnley want 15m plus for Danny Ings. Who can blame them wanting a lot for a player that could keep them up? I think the club have been naive in thinking that we can just spend the money on new players. The quality we need will not come to us! If they are that good they will go to a bigger club on more money! Its obvious! So I think the lack of signings is because players are not agreeing to come! We will most probably end up panick buying and getting in Leyton Orients promising centre back. He would come to us! footballfan123
  • Score: 0

8:37pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Dorssaints says...

Sky odds are on Rodwell ending up at Sunderland. Maybe for the right price we will get him after all!
Sky odds are on Rodwell ending up at Sunderland. Maybe for the right price we will get him after all! Dorssaints
  • Score: 2

8:38pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c





om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners.

I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be.

All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.
Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now.
But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade.
As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him.
Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents. How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.[/p][/quote]Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners. I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be. All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.[/p][/quote]Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now. But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade. As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him. Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -2

8:46pm Sun 3 Aug 14

montyplum says...

Rumours..Rumours....
Rumours....Nothing but Rumours.....Yet No signings as promised by the weekend....tbh Sick of it
Rumours..Rumours.... Rumours....Nothing but Rumours.....Yet No signings as promised by the weekend....tbh Sick of it montyplum
  • Score: 1

8:46pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c






om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners.

I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be.

All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.
Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now.
But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade.
As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him.
Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.
We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents. How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.[/p][/quote]Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners. I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be. All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.[/p][/quote]Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now. But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade. As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him. Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.[/p][/quote]We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have. fascia123
  • Score: 3

8:51pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c







om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners.

I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be.

All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.
Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now.
But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade.
As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him.
Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.
We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.
Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents. How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.[/p][/quote]Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners. I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be. All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.[/p][/quote]Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now. But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade. As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him. Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.[/p][/quote]We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

8:54pm Sun 3 Aug 14

footballfan123 says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c







om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners.

I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be.

All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.
Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now.
But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade.
As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him.
Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.
We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.
Nicola Cortese was at the helm when Southampton climbed back to the Premier League in only a few seasons. He was in charge during a time in which we produced some of the greatest young players from our youth system. He was ambitious, the players on the pitch played fantastic football (this can't be denied) and we were a match for the top teams. There were plans for stadium expansion and champions league football. Now he has gone, all the staff want to leave the club. Now regardless of who thinks what, the FACTS above say it all!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents. How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.[/p][/quote]Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners. I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be. All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.[/p][/quote]Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now. But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade. As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him. Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.[/p][/quote]We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.[/p][/quote]Nicola Cortese was at the helm when Southampton climbed back to the Premier League in only a few seasons. He was in charge during a time in which we produced some of the greatest young players from our youth system. He was ambitious, the players on the pitch played fantastic football (this can't be denied) and we were a match for the top teams. There were plans for stadium expansion and champions league football. Now he has gone, all the staff want to leave the club. Now regardless of who thinks what, the FACTS above say it all!!!!! footballfan123
  • Score: 1

8:55pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c






om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners.

I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be.

All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.
Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now.
But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade.
As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him.
Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.
I think you make a lot of good points here - NC definitely was professional and, ultimately, ruthless. I loved the trips to Switzerland, taking Sky Sports with him and selling the club in such an upmarket fashion. However I'm not so sure about the bit between KL and NC - I think NC may have been a little too liberal with the cash and KL wanted things stabilised. I do think his week will tell us a lot about the use of ML's legacy and the money available. We'll see.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents. How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.[/p][/quote]Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners. I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be. All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.[/p][/quote]Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now. But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade. As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him. Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.[/p][/quote]I think you make a lot of good points here - NC definitely was professional and, ultimately, ruthless. I loved the trips to Switzerland, taking Sky Sports with him and selling the club in such an upmarket fashion. However I'm not so sure about the bit between KL and NC - I think NC may have been a little too liberal with the cash and KL wanted things stabilised. I do think his week will tell us a lot about the use of ML's legacy and the money available. We'll see. Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 2

8:56pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c








om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners.

I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be.

All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.
Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now.
But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade.
As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him.
Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.
We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.
Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)
Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability.

As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents. How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.[/p][/quote]Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners. I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be. All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.[/p][/quote]Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now. But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade. As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him. Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.[/p][/quote]We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)[/p][/quote]Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability. As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years? fascia123
  • Score: 1

9:02pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c









om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners.

I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be.

All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.
Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now.
But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade.
As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him.
Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.
We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.
Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)
Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability.

As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?
Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents. How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.[/p][/quote]Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners. I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be. All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.[/p][/quote]Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now. But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade. As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him. Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.[/p][/quote]We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)[/p][/quote]Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability. As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?[/p][/quote]Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

9:04pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c










om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners.

I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be.

All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.
Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now.
But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade.
As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him.
Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.
We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.
Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)
Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability.

As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?
Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS.
Actually,I'm not sure if Mcmenemy counts for the last 20 years or not..but you know what I mean!
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents. How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.[/p][/quote]Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners. I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be. All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.[/p][/quote]Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now. But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade. As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him. Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.[/p][/quote]We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)[/p][/quote]Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability. As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?[/p][/quote]Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS.[/p][/quote]Actually,I'm not sure if Mcmenemy counts for the last 20 years or not..but you know what I mean! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

9:07pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Reports

Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints.

Saints fans on the DE comments

He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah.

FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.
It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.
I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below.

Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength.

We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million.

We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K.

We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert.

We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received.

We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received.

So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad.

Tell me why all the hysteria??
Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on.

Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off.

As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.
SPOT ON...

It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !!
COYR+WS
Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.
What is it with people on here who criticise because someone is seen as positive or negative? Don't you realise that criticising for that is pretty negative in itself? Everyone is entitled to an opinion and if you tell someone that theirs isn't valid just because its negative/positive all it does is build on the negativity. Just chill everyone.

Seed is right, the signings so far aren't enough and time is running out. I hope we get some quality on within the next few days. I quite like the idea of Zaha if he can learn to be a team player. Ashley Young? Not for me. I would like Rojo in. We need a centre back/left back after Lovren's inglorious exit and Shaw's too. Pelle needs some help upfront until Jay gets fit. Taider? Not so sure about him. What happened to Ings? Not heard much about him lately.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Reports Ronaldo has connections with Koeman and is interested in a loan move from Real Madrid to Saints. Saints fans on the DE comments He's past it, only coming for the money, injury prone, won't fit in with our type of football, the board have only thrown his name in to keep fans quiet, blah blah blah blah. FFS can you lots not see the good in anything.[/p][/quote]It's hard to when we've sold several players, not fringe, but first team regulars and only 2 signings and a loanee so far coming the other way. Some of these players we are linked to are quite exciting but given the past performance of Les many are dubious about his ability to actually make them happen. There is still time but the clock keeps ticking.[/p][/quote]I understand the frustration, but most of what comes across is rot and has no thought put behind it at all, again I understand its all about opinions and for what it worth here's mine below. Lost Pochetino who inherited his team signed one duff player for record fee from Italy who was a total flop, his brand of football while very successful in the first part of the season was gradually being worked out and who knows what the future would of been, we now have a manager who far exceeds his capability and I can only see things going from strength to strength. We lost Shaw to Man Utd, for which we have adequate cover in Targett and Bertrand and I also understand we are looking at Rojo who I am told by my 16 yo son is better than all of them put together on top of which we banked 27 million. We lost Lieanna, from what I see Tadic looks a better player and ain't afraid to put a tackle in and on top of which we have made a profit on the deal of circa 15K. We lost Lambert and replaced him with Pelle again from what I have seen on Youtube and his performances so far is a better player, not sure what the monetary situation is here but I guess we paid more for Pelle than we got for lambert. We lost Chambers we have adequate cover in his position with options to strengthen with a world class player with the vast sum received. We lost lovren his performance in the second half of last term were inconsistent to say the least cost us the points on several occasion, that said I recognise he is a good solid centre back, one we can easily replace with probably a better player who wants to play for club and manager using the vast some received. So in summing up We have a better manager, have replaced three of the key players that left with equal or better options and have a vast fortune with which to build a better squad. Tell me why all the hysteria??[/p][/quote]Because our team last season finished eighth and with a couple of signings could have secured more points from the massive possession we had and pushed on. Your analysis above is assuming they actually deliver on the pitch! We all hope they do but the jury is out at the moment until the season kicks off. As we stand the defence needs shoring up and it's hard to see where the goals will come from. It's unrealistic to assume Pelle can score enough all on his lonesome.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON... It is RIGHT that the passionate Fans of SFC DEMAND MORE !! COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Passion is not slagging someone off every time you don't get your own way, support your team through thick and thin which I have done for over 40 years, but illogical comments by morons in the most don't improve the matter or my good humour.[/p][/quote]What is it with people on here who criticise because someone is seen as positive or negative? Don't you realise that criticising for that is pretty negative in itself? Everyone is entitled to an opinion and if you tell someone that theirs isn't valid just because its negative/positive all it does is build on the negativity. Just chill everyone. Seed is right, the signings so far aren't enough and time is running out. I hope we get some quality on within the next few days. I quite like the idea of Zaha if he can learn to be a team player. Ashley Young? Not for me. I would like Rojo in. We need a centre back/left back after Lovren's inglorious exit and Shaw's too. Pelle needs some help upfront until Jay gets fit. Taider? Not so sure about him. What happened to Ings? Not heard much about him lately. Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
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9:10pm Sun 3 Aug 14

footballfan123 says...

So late into the evening still no signings! The problem is, no matter how much money we have in the bank a few things are happening:
Top players will not come to Southampton. If they are that good, why would they come to a club that has just sold their 5 best players? Hernandez played in front of 110 thousand people in America yesterday. Why an earth would he come to us to play in front of 8 thousand next week for the friendly? And we would not be able to match his wages! It's obvious!
Secondly, clubs do not want to sell their best players. I understand that Burnley want 15m plus for Danny Ings. Who can blame them wanting a lot for a player that could keep them up?
I think the club have been naive in thinking that we can just spend the money on new players. The quality we need will not come to us! If they are that good they will go to a bigger club on more money! Its obvious! So I think the lack of signings is because players are not agreeing to come! We will most probably end up panick buying and getting in Leyton Orients promising centre back. He would come to us!
So late into the evening still no signings! The problem is, no matter how much money we have in the bank a few things are happening: Top players will not come to Southampton. If they are that good, why would they come to a club that has just sold their 5 best players? Hernandez played in front of 110 thousand people in America yesterday. Why an earth would he come to us to play in front of 8 thousand next week for the friendly? And we would not be able to match his wages! It's obvious! Secondly, clubs do not want to sell their best players. I understand that Burnley want 15m plus for Danny Ings. Who can blame them wanting a lot for a player that could keep them up? I think the club have been naive in thinking that we can just spend the money on new players. The quality we need will not come to us! If they are that good they will go to a bigger club on more money! Its obvious! So I think the lack of signings is because players are not agreeing to come! We will most probably end up panick buying and getting in Leyton Orients promising centre back. He would come to us! footballfan123
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9:14pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c











om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners.

I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be.

All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.
Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now.
But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade.
As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him.
Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.
We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.
Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)
Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability.

As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?
Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS.
Actually,I'm not sure if Mcmenemy counts for the last 20 years or not..but you know what I mean!
Strachan for me, heard a rumour from a mate who worked at Saint Mary's who said that a certain centre forward at the time was responsible for Strachan leaving, the player failed an internal drugs test, so Strachan wanted him kicked out the chairman that can't be named said no and Strachan walked.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents. How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.[/p][/quote]Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners. I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be. All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.[/p][/quote]Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now. But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade. As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him. Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.[/p][/quote]We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)[/p][/quote]Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability. As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?[/p][/quote]Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS.[/p][/quote]Actually,I'm not sure if Mcmenemy counts for the last 20 years or not..but you know what I mean![/p][/quote]Strachan for me, heard a rumour from a mate who worked at Saint Mary's who said that a certain centre forward at the time was responsible for Strachan leaving, the player failed an internal drugs test, so Strachan wanted him kicked out the chairman that can't be named said no and Strachan walked. fascia123
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9:21pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c












om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners.

I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be.

All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.
Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now.
But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade.
As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him.
Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.
We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.
Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)
Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability.

As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?
Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS.
Actually,I'm not sure if Mcmenemy counts for the last 20 years or not..but you know what I mean!
Strachan for me, heard a rumour from a mate who worked at Saint Mary's who said that a certain centre forward at the time was responsible for Strachan leaving, the player failed an internal drugs test, so Strachan wanted him kicked out the chairman that can't be named said no and Strachan walked.
Interesting! And we all thought he just needed a break.Mind you,I don't think he'd fully recovered from Coventry at that time.
Good job they never tested them for alcohol in Mcmenemy's days though.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents. How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.[/p][/quote]Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners. I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be. All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.[/p][/quote]Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now. But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade. As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him. Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.[/p][/quote]We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)[/p][/quote]Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability. As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?[/p][/quote]Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS.[/p][/quote]Actually,I'm not sure if Mcmenemy counts for the last 20 years or not..but you know what I mean![/p][/quote]Strachan for me, heard a rumour from a mate who worked at Saint Mary's who said that a certain centre forward at the time was responsible for Strachan leaving, the player failed an internal drugs test, so Strachan wanted him kicked out the chairman that can't be named said no and Strachan walked.[/p][/quote]Interesting! And we all thought he just needed a break.Mind you,I don't think he'd fully recovered from Coventry at that time. Good job they never tested them for alcohol in Mcmenemy's days though. Positively4thStreet
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9:29pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Blackknight says...

Splash the cash - Saints need a Keeper, Centre Back and a Striker, not more midfield players.
Splash the cash - Saints need a Keeper, Centre Back and a Striker, not more midfield players. Blackknight
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9:31pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

footballfan123 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c








om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners.

I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be.

All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.
Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now.
But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade.
As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him.
Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.
We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.
Nicola Cortese was at the helm when Southampton climbed back to the Premier League in only a few seasons. He was in charge during a time in which we produced some of the greatest young players from our youth system. He was ambitious, the players on the pitch played fantastic football (this can't be denied) and we were a match for the top teams. There were plans for stadium expansion and champions league football. Now he has gone, all the staff want to leave the club. Now regardless of who thinks what, the FACTS above say it all!!!!!
He was at the helm, buying top players while we were in the lower leagues, was this sustainable, did he get them there selling a dream that he couldn't deliver?

We have always produced talent from our youth system long before and after NC.

Under the right managers saints have always played good football, and as I say in the lower leagues we had invested in quite a few players the other clubs could or would not afford.

Perhaps like me the board and owners thought his ambition was running away with him and could see that his dream was not sustainable, to build extra capacity would cost money, do saints have the following?

Champions league, whatever Wenger says would of been a complete overhaul of the squad and would of cost stacks of money and come with many risks.

After investing there money and saving the club did they want to risk a return to the days of financial ruin?

Not that I like to use others to substantiate my opinion but you ain't going to get more diehard saint that Tiss and he didn't have a good word to say about NC.
[quote][p][bold]footballfan123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents. How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.[/p][/quote]Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners. I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be. All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.[/p][/quote]Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now. But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade. As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him. Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.[/p][/quote]We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.[/p][/quote]Nicola Cortese was at the helm when Southampton climbed back to the Premier League in only a few seasons. He was in charge during a time in which we produced some of the greatest young players from our youth system. He was ambitious, the players on the pitch played fantastic football (this can't be denied) and we were a match for the top teams. There were plans for stadium expansion and champions league football. Now he has gone, all the staff want to leave the club. Now regardless of who thinks what, the FACTS above say it all!!!!![/p][/quote]He was at the helm, buying top players while we were in the lower leagues, was this sustainable, did he get them there selling a dream that he couldn't deliver? We have always produced talent from our youth system long before and after NC. Under the right managers saints have always played good football, and as I say in the lower leagues we had invested in quite a few players the other clubs could or would not afford. Perhaps like me the board and owners thought his ambition was running away with him and could see that his dream was not sustainable, to build extra capacity would cost money, do saints have the following? Champions league, whatever Wenger says would of been a complete overhaul of the squad and would of cost stacks of money and come with many risks. After investing there money and saving the club did they want to risk a return to the days of financial ruin? Not that I like to use others to substantiate my opinion but you ain't going to get more diehard saint that Tiss and he didn't have a good word to say about NC. fascia123
  • Score: 1

9:34pm Sun 3 Aug 14

St Van Roetford says...

Right, let's cut the bullsh@t. I'm sick of all this boo-hoo-the-board-do
n't-know-what-they'r
e-doing versus the actually-they-all-se
em-highly-competent-
and-quite-nice-so-le
t's-trust-them-for-a
-bit debate. I say we all take sides and agree a bet that if we finish next season with fewer points than last then all the happy clappers have to gather under the Bargate on the last day of the season and show their arse, on which will be daubed "YOU WERE RIGHT" in bright pink paint. If, however, we finish with more points then the miserable, joyless, glass-half-empty shitehawks must gather and do the same. In the meantime both sides must agree to a ceasefire on this internecine squabble about hypothetical financial scenarios and just get behind the team. WHO'S IN?

(NB if this works then I'm going to franchise the concept to Israel.)
Right, let's cut the bullsh@t. I'm sick of all this boo-hoo-the-board-do n't-know-what-they'r e-doing versus the actually-they-all-se em-highly-competent- and-quite-nice-so-le t's-trust-them-for-a -bit debate. I say we all take sides and agree a bet that if we finish next season with fewer points than last then all the happy clappers have to gather under the Bargate on the last day of the season and show their arse, on which will be daubed "YOU WERE RIGHT" in bright pink paint. If, however, we finish with more points then the miserable, joyless, glass-half-empty shitehawks must gather and do the same. In the meantime both sides must agree to a ceasefire on this internecine squabble about hypothetical financial scenarios and just get behind the team. WHO'S IN? (NB if this works then I'm going to franchise the concept to Israel.) St Van Roetford
  • Score: 3

9:35pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c













om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners.

I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be.

All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.
Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now.
But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade.
As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him.
Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.
We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.
Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)
Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability.

As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?
Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS.
Actually,I'm not sure if Mcmenemy counts for the last 20 years or not..but you know what I mean!
Strachan for me, heard a rumour from a mate who worked at Saint Mary's who said that a certain centre forward at the time was responsible for Strachan leaving, the player failed an internal drugs test, so Strachan wanted him kicked out the chairman that can't be named said no and Strachan walked.
Interesting! And we all thought he just needed a break.Mind you,I don't think he'd fully recovered from Coventry at that time.
Good job they never tested them for alcohol in Mcmenemy's days though.
Now he was a top man, I liked Big Mac, good man manager, good front man for the club, good with media and brought some top talent to the club.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents. How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.[/p][/quote]Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners. I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be. All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.[/p][/quote]Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now. But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade. As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him. Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.[/p][/quote]We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)[/p][/quote]Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability. As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?[/p][/quote]Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS.[/p][/quote]Actually,I'm not sure if Mcmenemy counts for the last 20 years or not..but you know what I mean![/p][/quote]Strachan for me, heard a rumour from a mate who worked at Saint Mary's who said that a certain centre forward at the time was responsible for Strachan leaving, the player failed an internal drugs test, so Strachan wanted him kicked out the chairman that can't be named said no and Strachan walked.[/p][/quote]Interesting! And we all thought he just needed a break.Mind you,I don't think he'd fully recovered from Coventry at that time. Good job they never tested them for alcohol in Mcmenemy's days though.[/p][/quote]Now he was a top man, I liked Big Mac, good man manager, good front man for the club, good with media and brought some top talent to the club. fascia123
  • Score: 2

9:41pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c














om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners.

I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be.

All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.
Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now.
But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade.
As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him.
Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.
We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.
Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)
Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability.

As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?
Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS.
Actually,I'm not sure if Mcmenemy counts for the last 20 years or not..but you know what I mean!
Strachan for me, heard a rumour from a mate who worked at Saint Mary's who said that a certain centre forward at the time was responsible for Strachan leaving, the player failed an internal drugs test, so Strachan wanted him kicked out the chairman that can't be named said no and Strachan walked.
Interesting! And we all thought he just needed a break.Mind you,I don't think he'd fully recovered from Coventry at that time.
Good job they never tested them for alcohol in Mcmenemy's days though.
Now he was a top man, I liked Big Mac, good man manager, good front man for the club, good with media and brought some top talent to the club.
That was in the days when most people didn't know who the chairman was or what he looked like,and didn't really care either. The manager was the club spokesman,pretty much ran the show,and said whatever he liked..happy days.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents. How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.[/p][/quote]Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners. I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be. All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.[/p][/quote]Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now. But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade. As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him. Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.[/p][/quote]We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)[/p][/quote]Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability. As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?[/p][/quote]Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS.[/p][/quote]Actually,I'm not sure if Mcmenemy counts for the last 20 years or not..but you know what I mean![/p][/quote]Strachan for me, heard a rumour from a mate who worked at Saint Mary's who said that a certain centre forward at the time was responsible for Strachan leaving, the player failed an internal drugs test, so Strachan wanted him kicked out the chairman that can't be named said no and Strachan walked.[/p][/quote]Interesting! And we all thought he just needed a break.Mind you,I don't think he'd fully recovered from Coventry at that time. Good job they never tested them for alcohol in Mcmenemy's days though.[/p][/quote]Now he was a top man, I liked Big Mac, good man manager, good front man for the club, good with media and brought some top talent to the club.[/p][/quote]That was in the days when most people didn't know who the chairman was or what he looked like,and didn't really care either. The manager was the club spokesman,pretty much ran the show,and said whatever he liked..happy days. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

9:42pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Right, let's cut the bullsh@t. I'm sick of all this boo-hoo-the-board-do

n't-know-what-they'r

e-doing versus the actually-they-all-se

em-highly-competent-

and-quite-nice-so-le

t's-trust-them-for-a

-bit debate. I say we all take sides and agree a bet that if we finish next season with fewer points than last then all the happy clappers have to gather under the Bargate on the last day of the season and show their arse, on which will be daubed "YOU WERE RIGHT" in bright pink paint. If, however, we finish with more points then the miserable, joyless, glass-half-empty shitehawks must gather and do the same. In the meantime both sides must agree to a ceasefire on this internecine squabble about hypothetical financial scenarios and just get behind the team. WHO'S IN?

(NB if this works then I'm going to franchise the concept to Israel.)
I'm in as a happy clapper as long as I ain't got to come down in favour of NC.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Right, let's cut the bullsh@t. I'm sick of all this boo-hoo-the-board-do n't-know-what-they'r e-doing versus the actually-they-all-se em-highly-competent- and-quite-nice-so-le t's-trust-them-for-a -bit debate. I say we all take sides and agree a bet that if we finish next season with fewer points than last then all the happy clappers have to gather under the Bargate on the last day of the season and show their arse, on which will be daubed "YOU WERE RIGHT" in bright pink paint. If, however, we finish with more points then the miserable, joyless, glass-half-empty shitehawks must gather and do the same. In the meantime both sides must agree to a ceasefire on this internecine squabble about hypothetical financial scenarios and just get behind the team. WHO'S IN? (NB if this works then I'm going to franchise the concept to Israel.)[/p][/quote]I'm in as a happy clapper as long as I ain't got to come down in favour of NC. fascia123
  • Score: 0

9:46pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c















om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners.

I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be.

All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.
Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now.
But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade.
As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him.
Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.
We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.
Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)
Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability.

As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?
Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS.
Actually,I'm not sure if Mcmenemy counts for the last 20 years or not..but you know what I mean!
Strachan for me, heard a rumour from a mate who worked at Saint Mary's who said that a certain centre forward at the time was responsible for Strachan leaving, the player failed an internal drugs test, so Strachan wanted him kicked out the chairman that can't be named said no and Strachan walked.
Interesting! And we all thought he just needed a break.Mind you,I don't think he'd fully recovered from Coventry at that time.
Good job they never tested them for alcohol in Mcmenemy's days though.
Now he was a top man, I liked Big Mac, good man manager, good front man for the club, good with media and brought some top talent to the club.
That was in the days when most people didn't know who the chairman was or what he looked like,and didn't really care either. The manager was the club spokesman,pretty much ran the show,and said whatever he liked..happy days.
That's another thing I didn't like about Lowe I know I've said it now and NC was the same, seemed to start for me with that pr@ck at Leeds was it Ridsdale?
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents. How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.[/p][/quote]Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners. I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be. All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.[/p][/quote]Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now. But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade. As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him. Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.[/p][/quote]We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)[/p][/quote]Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability. As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?[/p][/quote]Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS.[/p][/quote]Actually,I'm not sure if Mcmenemy counts for the last 20 years or not..but you know what I mean![/p][/quote]Strachan for me, heard a rumour from a mate who worked at Saint Mary's who said that a certain centre forward at the time was responsible for Strachan leaving, the player failed an internal drugs test, so Strachan wanted him kicked out the chairman that can't be named said no and Strachan walked.[/p][/quote]Interesting! And we all thought he just needed a break.Mind you,I don't think he'd fully recovered from Coventry at that time. Good job they never tested them for alcohol in Mcmenemy's days though.[/p][/quote]Now he was a top man, I liked Big Mac, good man manager, good front man for the club, good with media and brought some top talent to the club.[/p][/quote]That was in the days when most people didn't know who the chairman was or what he looked like,and didn't really care either. The manager was the club spokesman,pretty much ran the show,and said whatever he liked..happy days.[/p][/quote]That's another thing I didn't like about Lowe I know I've said it now and NC was the same, seemed to start for me with that pr@ck at Leeds was it Ridsdale? fascia123
  • Score: 1

9:46pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Right, let's cut the bullsh@t. I'm sick of all this boo-hoo-the-board-do


n't-know-what-they'r


e-doing versus the actually-they-all-se


em-highly-competent-


and-quite-nice-so-le


t's-trust-them-for-a


-bit debate. I say we all take sides and agree a bet that if we finish next season with fewer points than last then all the happy clappers have to gather under the Bargate on the last day of the season and show their arse, on which will be daubed "YOU WERE RIGHT" in bright pink paint. If, however, we finish with more points then the miserable, joyless, glass-half-empty shitehawks must gather and do the same. In the meantime both sides must agree to a ceasefire on this internecine squabble about hypothetical financial scenarios and just get behind the team. WHO'S IN?

(NB if this works then I'm going to franchise the concept to Israel.)
I'm in as a happy clapper as long as I ain't got to come down in favour of NC.
Looks like a job for the UN then.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Right, let's cut the bullsh@t. I'm sick of all this boo-hoo-the-board-do n't-know-what-they'r e-doing versus the actually-they-all-se em-highly-competent- and-quite-nice-so-le t's-trust-them-for-a -bit debate. I say we all take sides and agree a bet that if we finish next season with fewer points than last then all the happy clappers have to gather under the Bargate on the last day of the season and show their arse, on which will be daubed "YOU WERE RIGHT" in bright pink paint. If, however, we finish with more points then the miserable, joyless, glass-half-empty shitehawks must gather and do the same. In the meantime both sides must agree to a ceasefire on this internecine squabble about hypothetical financial scenarios and just get behind the team. WHO'S IN? (NB if this works then I'm going to franchise the concept to Israel.)[/p][/quote]I'm in as a happy clapper as long as I ain't got to come down in favour of NC.[/p][/quote]Looks like a job for the UN then. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

9:50pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c
















om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners.

I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be.

All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.
Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now.
But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade.
As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him.
Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.
We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.
Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)
Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability.

As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?
Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS.
Actually,I'm not sure if Mcmenemy counts for the last 20 years or not..but you know what I mean!
Strachan for me, heard a rumour from a mate who worked at Saint Mary's who said that a certain centre forward at the time was responsible for Strachan leaving, the player failed an internal drugs test, so Strachan wanted him kicked out the chairman that can't be named said no and Strachan walked.
Interesting! And we all thought he just needed a break.Mind you,I don't think he'd fully recovered from Coventry at that time.
Good job they never tested them for alcohol in Mcmenemy's days though.
Now he was a top man, I liked Big Mac, good man manager, good front man for the club, good with media and brought some top talent to the club.
That was in the days when most people didn't know who the chairman was or what he looked like,and didn't really care either. The manager was the club spokesman,pretty much ran the show,and said whatever he liked..happy days.
That's another thing I didn't like about Lowe I know I've said it now and NC was the same, seemed to start for me with that pr@ck at Leeds was it Ridsdale?
Years ago they were usually just local business owners with a bit of a vested interest I think.That was until the game got contaminated by money,that's when it all changed.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents. How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.[/p][/quote]Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners. I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be. All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.[/p][/quote]Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now. But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade. As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him. Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.[/p][/quote]We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)[/p][/quote]Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability. As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?[/p][/quote]Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS.[/p][/quote]Actually,I'm not sure if Mcmenemy counts for the last 20 years or not..but you know what I mean![/p][/quote]Strachan for me, heard a rumour from a mate who worked at Saint Mary's who said that a certain centre forward at the time was responsible for Strachan leaving, the player failed an internal drugs test, so Strachan wanted him kicked out the chairman that can't be named said no and Strachan walked.[/p][/quote]Interesting! And we all thought he just needed a break.Mind you,I don't think he'd fully recovered from Coventry at that time. Good job they never tested them for alcohol in Mcmenemy's days though.[/p][/quote]Now he was a top man, I liked Big Mac, good man manager, good front man for the club, good with media and brought some top talent to the club.[/p][/quote]That was in the days when most people didn't know who the chairman was or what he looked like,and didn't really care either. The manager was the club spokesman,pretty much ran the show,and said whatever he liked..happy days.[/p][/quote]That's another thing I didn't like about Lowe I know I've said it now and NC was the same, seemed to start for me with that pr@ck at Leeds was it Ridsdale?[/p][/quote]Years ago they were usually just local business owners with a bit of a vested interest I think.That was until the game got contaminated by money,that's when it all changed. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

9:54pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c

















om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners.

I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be.

All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.
Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now.
But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade.
As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him.
Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.
We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.
Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)
Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability.

As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?
Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS.
Actually,I'm not sure if Mcmenemy counts for the last 20 years or not..but you know what I mean!
Strachan for me, heard a rumour from a mate who worked at Saint Mary's who said that a certain centre forward at the time was responsible for Strachan leaving, the player failed an internal drugs test, so Strachan wanted him kicked out the chairman that can't be named said no and Strachan walked.
Interesting! And we all thought he just needed a break.Mind you,I don't think he'd fully recovered from Coventry at that time.
Good job they never tested them for alcohol in Mcmenemy's days though.
Now he was a top man, I liked Big Mac, good man manager, good front man for the club, good with media and brought some top talent to the club.
That was in the days when most people didn't know who the chairman was or what he looked like,and didn't really care either. The manager was the club spokesman,pretty much ran the show,and said whatever he liked..happy days.
That's another thing I didn't like about Lowe I know I've said it now and NC was the same, seemed to start for me with that pr@ck at Leeds was it Ridsdale?
Years ago they were usually just local business owners with a bit of a vested interest I think.That was until the game got contaminated by money,that's when it all changed.
Your right and the only way to change it is for us to boycott the games, however, we know that ain't going to happen, the close season is bad enough, there are only so many Saturdays I can fill with chores for the good lady, I would go mad without footy.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents. How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.[/p][/quote]Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners. I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be. All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.[/p][/quote]Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now. But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade. As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him. Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.[/p][/quote]We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)[/p][/quote]Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability. As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?[/p][/quote]Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS.[/p][/quote]Actually,I'm not sure if Mcmenemy counts for the last 20 years or not..but you know what I mean![/p][/quote]Strachan for me, heard a rumour from a mate who worked at Saint Mary's who said that a certain centre forward at the time was responsible for Strachan leaving, the player failed an internal drugs test, so Strachan wanted him kicked out the chairman that can't be named said no and Strachan walked.[/p][/quote]Interesting! And we all thought he just needed a break.Mind you,I don't think he'd fully recovered from Coventry at that time. Good job they never tested them for alcohol in Mcmenemy's days though.[/p][/quote]Now he was a top man, I liked Big Mac, good man manager, good front man for the club, good with media and brought some top talent to the club.[/p][/quote]That was in the days when most people didn't know who the chairman was or what he looked like,and didn't really care either. The manager was the club spokesman,pretty much ran the show,and said whatever he liked..happy days.[/p][/quote]That's another thing I didn't like about Lowe I know I've said it now and NC was the same, seemed to start for me with that pr@ck at Leeds was it Ridsdale?[/p][/quote]Years ago they were usually just local business owners with a bit of a vested interest I think.That was until the game got contaminated by money,that's when it all changed.[/p][/quote]Your right and the only way to change it is for us to boycott the games, however, we know that ain't going to happen, the close season is bad enough, there are only so many Saturdays I can fill with chores for the good lady, I would go mad without footy. fascia123
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10:02pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
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fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
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Positively4thStreet wrote:
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Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c


















om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners.

I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be.

All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.
Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now.
But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade.
As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him.
Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.
We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.
Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)
Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability.

As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?
Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS.
Actually,I'm not sure if Mcmenemy counts for the last 20 years or not..but you know what I mean!
Strachan for me, heard a rumour from a mate who worked at Saint Mary's who said that a certain centre forward at the time was responsible for Strachan leaving, the player failed an internal drugs test, so Strachan wanted him kicked out the chairman that can't be named said no and Strachan walked.
Interesting! And we all thought he just needed a break.Mind you,I don't think he'd fully recovered from Coventry at that time.
Good job they never tested them for alcohol in Mcmenemy's days though.
Now he was a top man, I liked Big Mac, good man manager, good front man for the club, good with media and brought some top talent to the club.
That was in the days when most people didn't know who the chairman was or what he looked like,and didn't really care either. The manager was the club spokesman,pretty much ran the show,and said whatever he liked..happy days.
That's another thing I didn't like about Lowe I know I've said it now and NC was the same, seemed to start for me with that pr@ck at Leeds was it Ridsdale?
Years ago they were usually just local business owners with a bit of a vested interest I think.That was until the game got contaminated by money,that's when it all changed.
Your right and the only way to change it is for us to boycott the games, however, we know that ain't going to happen, the close season is bad enough, there are only so many Saturdays I can fill with chores for the good lady, I would go mad without footy.
Yeah,Saturday evening is always something to look forward to with a good win under your belt,and looking forward to MotD.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents. How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.[/p][/quote]Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners. I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be. All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.[/p][/quote]Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now. But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade. As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him. Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.[/p][/quote]We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)[/p][/quote]Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability. As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?[/p][/quote]Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS.[/p][/quote]Actually,I'm not sure if Mcmenemy counts for the last 20 years or not..but you know what I mean![/p][/quote]Strachan for me, heard a rumour from a mate who worked at Saint Mary's who said that a certain centre forward at the time was responsible for Strachan leaving, the player failed an internal drugs test, so Strachan wanted him kicked out the chairman that can't be named said no and Strachan walked.[/p][/quote]Interesting! And we all thought he just needed a break.Mind you,I don't think he'd fully recovered from Coventry at that time. Good job they never tested them for alcohol in Mcmenemy's days though.[/p][/quote]Now he was a top man, I liked Big Mac, good man manager, good front man for the club, good with media and brought some top talent to the club.[/p][/quote]That was in the days when most people didn't know who the chairman was or what he looked like,and didn't really care either. The manager was the club spokesman,pretty much ran the show,and said whatever he liked..happy days.[/p][/quote]That's another thing I didn't like about Lowe I know I've said it now and NC was the same, seemed to start for me with that pr@ck at Leeds was it Ridsdale?[/p][/quote]Years ago they were usually just local business owners with a bit of a vested interest I think.That was until the game got contaminated by money,that's when it all changed.[/p][/quote]Your right and the only way to change it is for us to boycott the games, however, we know that ain't going to happen, the close season is bad enough, there are only so many Saturdays I can fill with chores for the good lady, I would go mad without footy.[/p][/quote]Yeah,Saturday evening is always something to look forward to with a good win under your belt,and looking forward to MotD. Positively4thStreet
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10:04pm Sun 3 Aug 14

footballfan123 says...

fascia123 wrote:
footballfan123 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c









om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners.

I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be.

All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.
Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now.
But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade.
As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him.
Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.
We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.
Nicola Cortese was at the helm when Southampton climbed back to the Premier League in only a few seasons. He was in charge during a time in which we produced some of the greatest young players from our youth system. He was ambitious, the players on the pitch played fantastic football (this can't be denied) and we were a match for the top teams. There were plans for stadium expansion and champions league football. Now he has gone, all the staff want to leave the club. Now regardless of who thinks what, the FACTS above say it all!!!!!
He was at the helm, buying top players while we were in the lower leagues, was this sustainable, did he get them there selling a dream that he couldn't deliver?

We have always produced talent from our youth system long before and after NC.

Under the right managers saints have always played good football, and as I say in the lower leagues we had invested in quite a few players the other clubs could or would not afford.

Perhaps like me the board and owners thought his ambition was running away with him and could see that his dream was not sustainable, to build extra capacity would cost money, do saints have the following?

Champions league, whatever Wenger says would of been a complete overhaul of the squad and would of cost stacks of money and come with many risks.

After investing there money and saving the club did they want to risk a return to the days of financial ruin?

Not that I like to use others to substantiate my opinion but you ain't going to get more diehard saint that Tiss and he didn't have a good word to say about NC.
NC put car parking prices up and was apparently very difficult to deal with. However, I am saying that he had huge ambitions for the club. If we had kept all our players and added one or two quality players, I don't think champions league football was too far away. If this was not the case, why would the top 4 teams want half our team? Young teams kept together for a long time achieve great things. This might be unrealistic, unsustainable etc but why should it be? As for causing financial ruin, surely our billionaire owner could help out. I know something if I had billions of pounds, I would not mind spending 200 million to make saints great. The owner would still have 3.1 billion and 800 thousand pounds left! But I know it can't be changed! Could we risk losing 100 million by possibly going down this year? What happened the last time we sold our best players in the premier league. Not trying to be negative, we might do fine this year but its a shame to keep saying we are small club and couldn't possibly ever finish in the top 4. We were well on our way! Dream over!
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]footballfan123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents. How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.[/p][/quote]Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners. I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be. All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.[/p][/quote]Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now. But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade. As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him. Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.[/p][/quote]We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.[/p][/quote]Nicola Cortese was at the helm when Southampton climbed back to the Premier League in only a few seasons. He was in charge during a time in which we produced some of the greatest young players from our youth system. He was ambitious, the players on the pitch played fantastic football (this can't be denied) and we were a match for the top teams. There were plans for stadium expansion and champions league football. Now he has gone, all the staff want to leave the club. Now regardless of who thinks what, the FACTS above say it all!!!!![/p][/quote]He was at the helm, buying top players while we were in the lower leagues, was this sustainable, did he get them there selling a dream that he couldn't deliver? We have always produced talent from our youth system long before and after NC. Under the right managers saints have always played good football, and as I say in the lower leagues we had invested in quite a few players the other clubs could or would not afford. Perhaps like me the board and owners thought his ambition was running away with him and could see that his dream was not sustainable, to build extra capacity would cost money, do saints have the following? Champions league, whatever Wenger says would of been a complete overhaul of the squad and would of cost stacks of money and come with many risks. After investing there money and saving the club did they want to risk a return to the days of financial ruin? Not that I like to use others to substantiate my opinion but you ain't going to get more diehard saint that Tiss and he didn't have a good word to say about NC.[/p][/quote]NC put car parking prices up and was apparently very difficult to deal with. However, I am saying that he had huge ambitions for the club. If we had kept all our players and added one or two quality players, I don't think champions league football was too far away. If this was not the case, why would the top 4 teams want half our team? Young teams kept together for a long time achieve great things. This might be unrealistic, unsustainable etc but why should it be? As for causing financial ruin, surely our billionaire owner could help out. I know something if I had billions of pounds, I would not mind spending 200 million to make saints great. The owner would still have 3.1 billion and 800 thousand pounds left! But I know it can't be changed! Could we risk losing 100 million by possibly going down this year? What happened the last time we sold our best players in the premier league. Not trying to be negative, we might do fine this year but its a shame to keep saying we are small club and couldn't possibly ever finish in the top 4. We were well on our way! Dream over! footballfan123
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10:07pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

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Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

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Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners.

I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be.

All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.
Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now.
But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade.
As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him.
Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.
We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.
Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)
Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability.

As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?
Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS.
Actually,I'm not sure if Mcmenemy counts for the last 20 years or not..but you know what I mean!
Strachan for me, heard a rumour from a mate who worked at Saint Mary's who said that a certain centre forward at the time was responsible for Strachan leaving, the player failed an internal drugs test, so Strachan wanted him kicked out the chairman that can't be named said no and Strachan walked.
Interesting! And we all thought he just needed a break.Mind you,I don't think he'd fully recovered from Coventry at that time.
Good job they never tested them for alcohol in Mcmenemy's days though.
Now he was a top man, I liked Big Mac, good man manager, good front man for the club, good with media and brought some top talent to the club.
That was in the days when most people didn't know who the chairman was or what he looked like,and didn't really care either. The manager was the club spokesman,pretty much ran the show,and said whatever he liked..happy days.
That's another thing I didn't like about Lowe I know I've said it now and NC was the same, seemed to start for me with that pr@ck at Leeds was it Ridsdale?
Years ago they were usually just local business owners with a bit of a vested interest I think.That was until the game got contaminated by money,that's when it all changed.
Your right and the only way to change it is for us to boycott the games, however, we know that ain't going to happen, the close season is bad enough, there are only so many Saturdays I can fill with chores for the good lady, I would go mad without footy.
Yeah,Saturday evening is always something to look forward to with a good win under your belt,and looking forward to MotD.
Here i go moaning again, even after a good win we will get last slot on Motd.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents. How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.[/p][/quote]Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners. I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be. All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.[/p][/quote]Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now. But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade. As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him. Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.[/p][/quote]We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ,I won't disagree with that! :0)[/p][/quote]Well let's just hope for once in this troubled journey as saints fans we have at last found some long term stability. As a matter of interest who has been you favourite manager over the last 20 years?[/p][/quote]Difficult one,as there's been so many but think if I was pressed,I would have to say Branfoot...KIDDING! No,seriously,it probably have to be Lawrie Mac,for the obvious reason,and maybe WGS.[/p][/quote]Actually,I'm not sure if Mcmenemy counts for the last 20 years or not..but you know what I mean![/p][/quote]Strachan for me, heard a rumour from a mate who worked at Saint Mary's who said that a certain centre forward at the time was responsible for Strachan leaving, the player failed an internal drugs test, so Strachan wanted him kicked out the chairman that can't be named said no and Strachan walked.[/p][/quote]Interesting! And we all thought he just needed a break.Mind you,I don't think he'd fully recovered from Coventry at that time. Good job they never tested them for alcohol in Mcmenemy's days though.[/p][/quote]Now he was a top man, I liked Big Mac, good man manager, good front man for the club, good with media and brought some top talent to the club.[/p][/quote]That was in the days when most people didn't know who the chairman was or what he looked like,and didn't really care either. The manager was the club spokesman,pretty much ran the show,and said whatever he liked..happy days.[/p][/quote]That's another thing I didn't like about Lowe I know I've said it now and NC was the same, seemed to start for me with that pr@ck at Leeds was it Ridsdale?[/p][/quote]Years ago they were usually just local business owners with a bit of a vested interest I think.That was until the game got contaminated by money,that's when it all changed.[/p][/quote]Your right and the only way to change it is for us to boycott the games, however, we know that ain't going to happen, the close season is bad enough, there are only so many Saturdays I can fill with chores for the good lady, I would go mad without footy.[/p][/quote]Yeah,Saturday evening is always something to look forward to with a good win under your belt,and looking forward to MotD.[/p][/quote]Here i go moaning again, even after a good win we will get last slot on Motd. fascia123
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10:10pm Sun 3 Aug 14

echo1948 says...

george chivers wrote:
Just sign some decent players soon Les, especially defenders or the first six fixtures are at risk and we don't need that. Time is ebbing away to get them integrated into the squad before the start of the season.
Been saying this for weeks. You can,t build a team that will play as a unit in 2 weeks. That,s assuming we do buy any more players.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Just sign some decent players soon Les, especially defenders or the first six fixtures are at risk and we don't need that. Time is ebbing away to get them integrated into the squad before the start of the season.[/p][/quote]Been saying this for weeks. You can,t build a team that will play as a unit in 2 weeks. That,s assuming we do buy any more players. echo1948
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10:14pm Sun 3 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

footballfan123 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
footballfan123 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Redslo wrote:
I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year.

I explain in more detail in my blog:

redsloscf.blogspot.c










om
Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.
If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?
Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending.
My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings that happen at any club,not the current situation,better than the present incumbents.
How the players contracts would have affected that,or how Cortese would have dealt with it is anyone's guess,but based on the business acumen that he unarguably appears to possess, one feels confident that he would have comfortably dealt with it.
Respect your opinion and it is all opinion I guess none of us really know what goes on, I am sorry but have never been a fan of Cortese, I hold him responsible for the recent fiasco, I think he promised what he couldn't deliver, no clever businessman promises without qualifying with the board and owners.

I would also go as far as to say that he has pulled a few string since his demise to make things more difficult than they needed to be.

All opinions I know but in 40+ years of following football I have never known such an assault on a club, players tapped up, media all over the club, stories made up about transfer requests, player unrest, training bust ups etc etc.
Well,as I said Fascia,its only my opinion,and I've said on another thread,he's gone,so its all water under the bridge now.
But I'll make no apologies for being a Cortese apologist (excuse the pun),and over the last few weeks most of us(and there are a few others)have taken quite a bit of stick for defending the guy,whose only crime in all the time he was here,was to bring us the complete antithesis of what Rupert Lowe and co,had brought to the club,in the previous decade.
As I've also said before,I truly believe that the wheel came off when ML died,and subsequently NC and KL didn't share the same vision as between him and her father and,mistakenly, in my opinion,she then decided to rein in the power that her father had confidently bestowed on him.
Whether or not he should be blamed for that decision,and it's subsequent consequences,is again,a matter of opinion.
We were getting on so well maybe with different opinions in NC but just friendly debate, then you mentioned my pet hate, I can't even bring myself to say his name, I will just say the biggest BA@@@RD of a chairman this club ever had misfortune to have.
Nicola Cortese was at the helm when Southampton climbed back to the Premier League in only a few seasons. He was in charge during a time in which we produced some of the greatest young players from our youth system. He was ambitious, the players on the pitch played fantastic football (this can't be denied) and we were a match for the top teams. There were plans for stadium expansion and champions league football. Now he has gone, all the staff want to leave the club. Now regardless of who thinks what, the FACTS above say it all!!!!!
He was at the helm, buying top players while we were in the lower leagues, was this sustainable, did he get them there selling a dream that he couldn't deliver?

We have always produced talent from our youth system long before and after NC.

Under the right managers saints have always played good football, and as I say in the lower leagues we had invested in quite a few players the other clubs could or would not afford.

Perhaps like me the board and owners thought his ambition was running away with him and could see that his dream was not sustainable, to build extra capacity would cost money, do saints have the following?

Champions league, whatever Wenger says would of been a complete overhaul of the squad and would of cost stacks of money and come with many risks.

After investing there money and saving the club did they want to risk a return to the days of financial ruin?

Not that I like to use others to substantiate my opinion but you ain't going to get more diehard saint that Tiss and he didn't have a good word to say about NC.
NC put car parking prices up and was apparently very difficult to deal with. However, I am saying that he had huge ambitions for the club. If we had kept all our players and added one or two quality players, I don't think champions league football was too far away. If this was not the case, why would the top 4 teams want half our team? Young teams kept together for a long time achieve great things. This might be unrealistic, unsustainable etc but why should it be? As for causing financial ruin, surely our billionaire owner could help out. I know something if I had billions of pounds, I would not mind spending 200 million to make saints great. The owner would still have 3.1 billion and 800 thousand pounds left! But I know it can't be changed! Could we risk losing 100 million by possibly going down this year? What happened the last time we sold our best players in the premier league. Not trying to be negative, we might do fine this year but its a shame to keep saying we are small club and couldn't possibly ever finish in the top 4. We were well on our way! Dream over!
Oh well, we will have to agree to disagree on this,one, one thing I am sure of is we both want the best for saints.

Let's hope for a successful campaign and I know it's vindictive but to beat spurs and Liverpool and finish about both of them would be a perfect season.

Oh and poxi gets the sack after 10 games.

Carlsberg would have to have some involvement in the above scenario
[quote][p][bold]footballfan123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]footballfan123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: I seem to be saying this in every thread but I will repeat it again. Given the way the BPL salary cap works we had to sell players for a net profit. Otherwise we would have been limited to no more than 4 million pounds of salary to pay our new players and to increase the salary of the old players we wanted to resign. 4 million pounds would not have persuaded Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, and Rodriguez to sign new contracts. Plus, I doubt any new players would have signed for less than 2 million pounds a year. I explain in more detail in my blog: redsloscf.blogspot.c om[/p][/quote]Cortese would've (already had perhaps) persuaded them.[/p][/quote]If cortese would of persuaded them to sign new contracts (I presume that is what you are saying if not sorry) why have the players that have recently left not had break clauses, he resided over all the contracts of the players that have recently left?[/p][/quote]Well,it would appear that up until the time he left,that he had persuaded them all to stay,in which case,the team(as most people were commenting at the end of last season) only needed a few minor adjustments,to further its progress,which wouldn't have required that kind of spending. My own personal opinion (and that's all it is),is that Cortese would've handled the current situation,and by that,I only mean the normal annual comings and goings