Osvaldo set to leave but Saints set to complete deals for Saphir Taider and Ezequiel Schelotto

DANI OSVALDO

DANI OSVALDO

First published in Sport Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Sports Writer

Dani Osvaldo is set to seal his move to Inter Milan today – with Saints hoping to secure another two signings in the process.

The Italian will become the sixth player to leave St Mary’s this summer, but unlike the others there will be little sadness or frustration from the fans over his departure.

That will especially be the case if Saints manage to complete deals for Saphir Taider and Ezequiel Schelotto to move in the opposite direction.

Osvaldo’s move to the Italian giants solves a welcome headache for Saints, who felt they could not reintegrate the international striker after his training ground headbutt on teammate Jose Fonte.

Osvaldo pitched up at Milan’s Malpensa airport yesterday afternoon wearing a baseball cap, flowery shirt, an Inter scarf and carrying his guitar. He is set for a medical today and, assuming that passes without a hitch, he will be officially unveiled as an Inter player.

It will be an initial loan deal but with the option for Inter to make the move permanent for €7m (£5.5m).

That would represent a huge loss on the club record initial fee of £12.9m, which had the potential to rise to £14.6m, that Saints paid Roma to bring Osvaldo to St Mary’s last summer.

But it also sounds like it is far more likely to happen than when he was loaned out to Juventus for the second half of last season with an option for a £15.9m purchase at the end of it. Predictably, Juve didn’t exercise that option after he scored just three goals for them, the same number he managed for Saints before that switch, form which saw him miss out on a place in Italy’s World Cup squad.

Just as interesting for Saints supporters as Osvaldo’s move away will be to see players coming in the opposite direction.

Taider is a 22-year-old Algerian midfielder who should sign on similar terms, with a season long loan and option to buy for around €7m (£5.5m).

Also set to head to Saints is Schelotto, another attacking midfielder from Inter, again on loan with a buy out option of around €5m (£3.9m).

Both Taider and Schelotto are well thought of international midfielders.

Taider, who starred for Algeria at the World Cup having opted to represent them at international level despite being born in France and having played for Les Blues at youth level, is an attacking midfielder.

He started his career with Grenoble before quickly being snapped up by Serie A side Bologna.

However, his talents were such that it didn’t take long for the giants of Italian football to become interested, with Inter Milan paying €5.5m last summer to bring him to the San Siro.

Schelotto was born in Argentina but has won one full cap for Italy, against England in 2012.

He started his career at Cesena before moving to Atalanta. From there he had loan spells back at Cesena and also Catania before his switch to Inter.

However, he has struggled to make a first team breakthrough and spent last season on loan at Sassuolo and then at Parma. He scored five goals in 27 games for the two clubs.

Saints have also been linked in Scotland with a move for former Celtic striker Georgios Samaras, who is a free agent after his contract expired.

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5:24am Tue 5 Aug 14

Knackers says...

Saints chasing agbonlahor from villa.he is a great player and if played out wide will cause havoc.this is the type of player we want.
GET HIM.
Saints chasing agbonlahor from villa.he is a great player and if played out wide will cause havoc.this is the type of player we want. GET HIM. Knackers
  • Score: -6

6:00am Tue 5 Aug 14

Blind Faith Believer says...

Good News. But let's get the deals signed. Taider in particular is an excellent player.
Oh when the Saints!
Good News. But let's get the deals signed. Taider in particular is an excellent player. Oh when the Saints! Blind Faith Believer
  • Score: 14

6:31am Tue 5 Aug 14

Dorssaints says...

So that would b four internationals in and Pelle to replace 6 players out, 2 of which who were not guaranteed starting places. Come on Saints do we know what we r doing? According to most fans we don't!
So that would b four internationals in and Pelle to replace 6 players out, 2 of which who were not guaranteed starting places. Come on Saints do we know what we r doing? According to most fans we don't! Dorssaints
  • Score: -4

6:34am Tue 5 Aug 14

bstokesaint says...

Saphir Taider looks a quality player. Very excited about that one. I'm not as sure about Schelotto, but then if he sures up an already top class midfield and he's cost nothing then I won't complain. I'm still not going to be totally comfortable until we sign another keeper, a couple of centre backs and a natural goalscorer. More steps in the right direction though it sounds like and hopefully these will be the last loan signings before we use some of that cash to secure players we can call our own.
Saphir Taider looks a quality player. Very excited about that one. I'm not as sure about Schelotto, but then if he sures up an already top class midfield and he's cost nothing then I won't complain. I'm still not going to be totally comfortable until we sign another keeper, a couple of centre backs and a natural goalscorer. More steps in the right direction though it sounds like and hopefully these will be the last loan signings before we use some of that cash to secure players we can call our own. bstokesaint
  • Score: 11

6:54am Tue 5 Aug 14

merrysaint says...

£12.9m to £5.5m.
I make it about £7.4m that our "EX-MANAGER" owes US!
Why not just increase the ticket prices, that should even it out....
What a JOKE!
£12.9m to £5.5m. I make it about £7.4m that our "EX-MANAGER" owes US! Why not just increase the ticket prices, that should even it out.... What a JOKE! merrysaint
  • Score: 3

7:22am Tue 5 Aug 14

Saint Clements says...

Just checking - we were told by Les that all money going out would be reinvested in the team, right?

Then why are we messing around with loan deals for £5m players?

And why would anyone say 'We've had six out and now we're going to have four in'? Surely that logic only holds water if you're looking at equitable players - not just anyone? And I'm sorry, but losing your captain who's been here since 12, your most exciting defender (since eight, and who has been tipped by pretty much every expert to be England's right-back at the next World Cup) and our best CB for 15+ years is not equitable with the tosh mentioned in this article.

Anyone saying otherwise is, frankly, deluding themselves.

What we need is a marquee signing - someone like Hernandez that'll fire up our players here and convince the likes of Forster to force his way to St Mary's.
Just checking - we were told by Les that all money going out would be reinvested in the team, right? Then why are we messing around with loan deals for £5m players? And why would anyone say 'We've had six out and now we're going to have four in'? Surely that logic only holds water if you're looking at equitable players - not just anyone? And I'm sorry, but losing your captain who's been here since 12, your most exciting defender (since eight, and who has been tipped by pretty much every expert to be England's right-back at the next World Cup) and our best CB for 15+ years is not equitable with the tosh mentioned in this article. Anyone saying otherwise is, frankly, deluding themselves. What we need is a marquee signing - someone like Hernandez that'll fire up our players here and convince the likes of Forster to force his way to St Mary's. Saint Clements
  • Score: 21

7:39am Tue 5 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

These look good, well one does if not both. Given that we've finally bitten the bullet on Osvaldo's value I'm surprised Les didn't do a permanent deal here as a straight swap for Taider would see more straightforward than complex loan arrangements. The try before you buy route is ok but too many loans will lack cohesion if things get rough this season.
These look good, well one does if not both. Given that we've finally bitten the bullet on Osvaldo's value I'm surprised Les didn't do a permanent deal here as a straight swap for Taider would see more straightforward than complex loan arrangements. The try before you buy route is ok but too many loans will lack cohesion if things get rough this season. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 8

7:43am Tue 5 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

This is sensible squad building; now we need to spend well in the three key positions mentioned by others.
This is sensible squad building; now we need to spend well in the three key positions mentioned by others. Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 12

7:48am Tue 5 Aug 14

saintbobby says...

Let's hope for some real positive action this week. It seems everyone else is running out of pens as new players keep signing contracts.

The Mail reviews PL clubs' current situation under several headings.

The one "what shape are they in?" says for Saints "Dreadful. Barely have a decent five-a-side left after selling RL, LS, AL, DL and CC. And manager MP has walked too"

A stupid comment which highlights how the club has managed to puzzle the pundits, whilst the departures are accurate, of course.

BUT, it does highlight what a long drag this has been trying to spend all the money as promised. The loan players may all turn out to be brilliant, but we did expect some more positive action by now.

Fingers crossed AGAIN, for this week. Come on Saints, get on with it!
Let's hope for some real positive action this week. It seems everyone else is running out of pens as new players keep signing contracts. The Mail reviews PL clubs' current situation under several headings. The one "what shape are they in?" says for Saints "Dreadful. Barely have a decent five-a-side left after selling RL, LS, AL, DL and CC. And manager MP has walked too" A stupid comment which highlights how the club has managed to puzzle the pundits, whilst the departures are accurate, of course. BUT, it does highlight what a long drag this has been trying to spend all the money as promised. The loan players may all turn out to be brilliant, but we did expect some more positive action by now. Fingers crossed AGAIN, for this week. Come on Saints, get on with it! saintbobby
  • Score: 8

7:51am Tue 5 Aug 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Good if we can offload Osvaldo but surely it is a replacement STRIKER that we urgently need.
We only seem to be signing Midfielders, so looks as though Morgan & Gaston may be off two.

TWO top quality Centrebacks are also URGENT, followed by a top GK. With out these positions filled we will be facing a relegation battle.

Time is up, we now only have three days to get them in before Saturdays last friendly and ten days before Liverpool.

COYS
Good if we can offload Osvaldo but surely it is a replacement STRIKER that we urgently need. We only seem to be signing Midfielders, so looks as though Morgan & Gaston may be off two. TWO top quality Centrebacks are also URGENT, followed by a top GK. With out these positions filled we will be facing a relegation battle. Time is up, we now only have three days to get them in before Saturdays last friendly and ten days before Liverpool. COYS NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 9

7:54am Tue 5 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
These look good, well one does if not both. Given that we've finally bitten the bullet on Osvaldo's value I'm surprised Les didn't do a permanent deal here as a straight swap for Taider would see more straightforward than complex loan arrangements. The try before you buy route is ok but too many loans will lack cohesion if things get rough this season.
Yep, agreed, but I can't help wondering if Inter want to try Osvaldo for size first!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: These look good, well one does if not both. Given that we've finally bitten the bullet on Osvaldo's value I'm surprised Les didn't do a permanent deal here as a straight swap for Taider would see more straightforward than complex loan arrangements. The try before you buy route is ok but too many loans will lack cohesion if things get rough this season.[/p][/quote]Yep, agreed, but I can't help wondering if Inter want to try Osvaldo for size first! Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 9

8:04am Tue 5 Aug 14

Block 42 says...

Wtf..can we actually sign some players of high quality like hernandez why are we messing around with players who cant even get into inters first team
Wtf..can we actually sign some players of high quality like hernandez why are we messing around with players who cant even get into inters first team Block 42
  • Score: -4

8:04am Tue 5 Aug 14

arm chair fan says...

If only we had taken so also on a loan deal! And the other one was forren! Probably 10 mil. Down the pan on these two!
Please not Hernandez , my brother is a mank, recons he is like a firework! A flash of brilliance then a very long period of bug gear all!
If only we had taken so also on a loan deal! And the other one was forren! Probably 10 mil. Down the pan on these two! Please not Hernandez , my brother is a mank, recons he is like a firework! A flash of brilliance then a very long period of bug gear all! arm chair fan
  • Score: 2

8:15am Tue 5 Aug 14

InsideOutCat says...

Have some of you listened to yourselves?

In one breath you're lamenting the lack of depth in the squad, and in the next your "sure" that bringing in additional midfielders means that some of our existing ones must be heading for the door.

Unless anyone here has had the pleasure of asking Ronald face to face what sort of set-up he's going to play how can we know which department of the team needs bolstering?
Have some of you listened to yourselves? In one breath you're lamenting the lack of depth in the squad, and in the next your "sure" that bringing in additional midfielders means that some of our existing ones must be heading for the door. Unless anyone here has had the pleasure of asking Ronald face to face what sort of set-up he's going to play how can we know which department of the team needs bolstering? InsideOutCat
  • Score: 13

8:20am Tue 5 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

This story has been done to death for about a week. Lets hear about some new signings!
This story has been done to death for about a week. Lets hear about some new signings! KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 3

8:26am Tue 5 Aug 14

arm chair fan says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
This story has been done to death for about a week. Lets hear about some new signings!
Think this one will get put to bed today
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: This story has been done to death for about a week. Lets hear about some new signings![/p][/quote]Think this one will get put to bed today arm chair fan
  • Score: 1

8:28am Tue 5 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
This story has been done to death for about a week. Lets hear about some new signings!
They're not actually onboard yet. It's close, real close but with Les and Dani involved there's still plenty of fack up room!
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: This story has been done to death for about a week. Lets hear about some new signings![/p][/quote]They're not actually onboard yet. It's close, real close but with Les and Dani involved there's still plenty of fack up room! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

8:35am Tue 5 Aug 14

BarnetSaint says...

I'm sick of hearing about this total waste of space.
No more from the Italian league.
I'd rather we took a punt on a few championship players.
I'm sick of hearing about this total waste of space. No more from the Italian league. I'd rather we took a punt on a few championship players. BarnetSaint
  • Score: -2

8:40am Tue 5 Aug 14

Lehman Bros Banker says...

Obviously looking to secure more midfield options to cover off Schneiderlin's departure. Quoted 1/8 by the bookies to be a Spurs player before the transfer window closes, Morgan will be forced to play and start the season, so nightmare Freddy doesn't look a total fool, but close to it, after what he said.
Obviously looking to secure more midfield options to cover off Schneiderlin's departure. Quoted 1/8 by the bookies to be a Spurs player before the transfer window closes, Morgan will be forced to play and start the season, so nightmare Freddy doesn't look a total fool, but close to it, after what he said. Lehman Bros Banker
  • Score: -4

8:44am Tue 5 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

It will be a good thing when the ink is dry.
It will be a good thing when the ink is dry. Alicesdad
  • Score: 6

8:48am Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintPC says...

It seems obvious to me that there are conversations going on we dont know about, which means that we need to be patient. I have learned to ignore pretty much all paper-talk and just wait until the deals are announced, I know it is exciting to be linked with so many good players, but the stories are all nonsense. How many papers told us of the Bertrand loan deal in the week leading up to it - none that I saw!

We also have to be realistic, you cant just "go out and get" players like Hernandez or Vlaar, they want to play European football so will wait to see what offers they have from those teams first. If they have nothing then they might look to Southampton - they arent going to choose us just because we want them. It's a merry-go-round and the top clubs have to play their hand first, we wait to see who is available after that.

As for Forster and van Dijk, I believe that we have secured deals in principle for these two, but that we have to wait until they are knocked out of the champions league on Wednesday. So expect them to be signed on Friday and maybe on the bench for the weekend.

There is no sense worrying about the start of the season, that's not going to help us, a lot of business will be done in late August when the bigger clubs are done with their team building....it's just the way it is. COYR
It seems obvious to me that there are conversations going on we dont know about, which means that we need to be patient. I have learned to ignore pretty much all paper-talk and just wait until the deals are announced, I know it is exciting to be linked with so many good players, but the stories are all nonsense. How many papers told us of the Bertrand loan deal in the week leading up to it - none that I saw! We also have to be realistic, you cant just "go out and get" players like Hernandez or Vlaar, they want to play European football so will wait to see what offers they have from those teams first. If they have nothing then they might look to Southampton - they arent going to choose us just because we want them. It's a merry-go-round and the top clubs have to play their hand first, we wait to see who is available after that. As for Forster and van Dijk, I believe that we have secured deals in principle for these two, but that we have to wait until they are knocked out of the champions league on Wednesday. So expect them to be signed on Friday and maybe on the bench for the weekend. There is no sense worrying about the start of the season, that's not going to help us, a lot of business will be done in late August when the bigger clubs are done with their team building....it's just the way it is. COYR SaintPC
  • Score: 10

8:49am Tue 5 Aug 14

nickw4 says...

Everybody take a breath! Relax, have faith in RoKo, if he wants these players in then let's 'av 'em. Get behind the team, some of you are suggesting relegation before a ball has even been kicked. Personally, I'm excited about Taider, looks like he has a bit of class about him, his situation reminds me of Coutinho a bit - hopefully he plays like him. Don't know about Schaletto but we'll see, at the end of the day if their both ****, their on loan so all is good. We do need at least one CB, a GK and a forward. I reckon we've agreed deal for Forster and Van Djik but Celtic will wait until their second leg against Legia Warsaw is over. So we should a few new faces come the end of the week!
Everybody take a breath! Relax, have faith in RoKo, if he wants these players in then let's 'av 'em. Get behind the team, some of you are suggesting relegation before a ball has even been kicked. Personally, I'm excited about Taider, looks like he has a bit of class about him, his situation reminds me of Coutinho a bit - hopefully he plays like him. Don't know about Schaletto but we'll see, at the end of the day if their both ****, their on loan so all is good. We do need at least one CB, a GK and a forward. I reckon we've agreed deal for Forster and Van Djik but Celtic will wait until their second leg against Legia Warsaw is over. So we should a few new faces come the end of the week! nickw4
  • Score: 12

8:51am Tue 5 Aug 14

george chivers says...

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. But what we really need to hear about before we play Liverpool is a goalkeeper, two centre backs and a striker. Hopefully one of the midfielders is good enough to replace Spiderman when he goes?

Not this summer of course, but September the first would be Autumn wouldn't it, and if not then, then without any doubt January.

The whole spine of the team, the most important part still needs replacing and quickly. Get on with it Les. It will be interesting to see how much of the £72M you've got left is still in the bank at the end of the window.

Samaras? I don't think so he was almost a non goal scoring striker for Celtic in a boy's league. He doesn't have the legs and lungs for the PL.
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. But what we really need to hear about before we play Liverpool is a goalkeeper, two centre backs and a striker. Hopefully one of the midfielders is good enough to replace Spiderman when he goes? Not this summer of course, but September the first would be Autumn wouldn't it, and if not then, then without any doubt January. The whole spine of the team, the most important part still needs replacing and quickly. Get on with it Les. It will be interesting to see how much of the £72M you've got left is still in the bank at the end of the window. Samaras? I don't think so he was almost a non goal scoring striker for Celtic in a boy's league. He doesn't have the legs and lungs for the PL. george chivers
  • Score: 3

9:01am Tue 5 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

Unless we are planning on playing a new revolutionary 2-7-1 system, why do we need yet another midfielder?
Surely after losing JRod, (through injury) Lambert, Osvaldo, Shaw, Chambers and Lovren a defender and some strikers would be more important.
IMHO.
Unless we are planning on playing a new revolutionary 2-7-1 system, why do we need yet another midfielder? Surely after losing JRod, (through injury) Lambert, Osvaldo, Shaw, Chambers and Lovren a defender and some strikers would be more important. IMHO. costa gaz
  • Score: 12

9:11am Tue 5 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

Good riddance. The biggest idiot we've ever had on our books. Good signing Mopo. Get a few more signings like him in for the Spuds.
Good riddance. The biggest idiot we've ever had on our books. Good signing Mopo. Get a few more signings like him in for the Spuds. Clever Dick
  • Score: 10

9:26am Tue 5 Aug 14

devonsaint2 says...

As a Saints fan for 49 yrs I am excited by this season...Players always leave, albeit not usually so many in one go. ( I think there was a huge amount of indoctrination by Cortese and with his press connections things just spiralled).
New SEASON...
I would be pleased to see the following team start |( if we can get the Celtic 2 )
Forster ( understudy Boruc/Davis )

Clyne ( ) Fonte, ( Yoshida) Van Dyk ( Hooiveld) Bertrand(Targett)

Wanyama ( )

Dusan ( Taider) , Davis ( WP), Cork( Reed),
Ramirez ( Jayrod / Mc Queen)
Pelle ( Gallagher )


Not included Morgan.
As a Saints fan for 49 yrs I am excited by this season...Players always leave, albeit not usually so many in one go. ( I think there was a huge amount of indoctrination by Cortese and with his press connections things just spiralled). New SEASON... I would be pleased to see the following team start |( if we can get the Celtic 2 ) Forster ( understudy Boruc/Davis ) Clyne ( ) Fonte, ( Yoshida) Van Dyk ( Hooiveld) Bertrand(Targett) Wanyama ( ) Dusan ( Taider) , Davis ( WP), Cork( Reed), Ramirez ( Jayrod / Mc Queen) Pelle ( Gallagher ) Not included Morgan. devonsaint2
  • Score: 4

9:42am Tue 5 Aug 14

GHamilton says...

I can't understand why some fans are concerned that we 're not sending the money from our former playerson new signings. I think the board have got it right. With all the trouble we've had with Osvaldo,(still our most expensive signing in our clubs history) we are trying the goods out first....if they are as good as they profess to be, then we'll buy them. KL may well be looking to spend that money on something other than players, or building a big cash fund for the clubs future expansion.

Hey! , look on the bright side, Liverpool were rubbish against Man U last night.....not bad after spending nearly £90,000,000 HA!! you gotta LARF!!. Think we will surpise an awfull lot of people come our trip to the 'POOL'. Was very impressed with young Loydd Isgrove in our last freindly, think he'll cause a lotta lotta problems if he plays at Anfield...yup!! things are n't as bad as some people might think!
I can't understand why some fans are concerned that we 're not sending the money from our former playerson new signings. I think the board have got it right. With all the trouble we've had with Osvaldo,(still our most expensive signing in our clubs history) we are trying the goods out first....if they are as good as they profess to be, then we'll buy them. KL may well be looking to spend that money on something other than players, or building a big cash fund for the clubs future expansion. Hey! , look on the bright side, Liverpool were rubbish against Man U last night.....not bad after spending nearly £90,000,000 HA!! you gotta LARF!!. Think we will surpise an awfull lot of people come our trip to the 'POOL'. Was very impressed with young Loydd Isgrove in our last freindly, think he'll cause a lotta lotta problems if he plays at Anfield...yup!! things are n't as bad as some people might think! GHamilton
  • Score: 10

9:51am Tue 5 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

SaintPC wrote:
It seems obvious to me that there are conversations going on we dont know about, which means that we need to be patient. I have learned to ignore pretty much all paper-talk and just wait until the deals are announced, I know it is exciting to be linked with so many good players, but the stories are all nonsense. How many papers told us of the Bertrand loan deal in the week leading up to it - none that I saw!

We also have to be realistic, you cant just "go out and get" players like Hernandez or Vlaar, they want to play European football so will wait to see what offers they have from those teams first. If they have nothing then they might look to Southampton - they arent going to choose us just because we want them. It's a merry-go-round and the top clubs have to play their hand first, we wait to see who is available after that.

As for Forster and van Dijk, I believe that we have secured deals in principle for these two, but that we have to wait until they are knocked out of the champions league on Wednesday. So expect them to be signed on Friday and maybe on the bench for the weekend.

There is no sense worrying about the start of the season, that's not going to help us, a lot of business will be done in late August when the bigger clubs are done with their team building....it's just the way it is. COYR
I don't think Vlaar is playing at Villa to get into the CL
[quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: It seems obvious to me that there are conversations going on we dont know about, which means that we need to be patient. I have learned to ignore pretty much all paper-talk and just wait until the deals are announced, I know it is exciting to be linked with so many good players, but the stories are all nonsense. How many papers told us of the Bertrand loan deal in the week leading up to it - none that I saw! We also have to be realistic, you cant just "go out and get" players like Hernandez or Vlaar, they want to play European football so will wait to see what offers they have from those teams first. If they have nothing then they might look to Southampton - they arent going to choose us just because we want them. It's a merry-go-round and the top clubs have to play their hand first, we wait to see who is available after that. As for Forster and van Dijk, I believe that we have secured deals in principle for these two, but that we have to wait until they are knocked out of the champions league on Wednesday. So expect them to be signed on Friday and maybe on the bench for the weekend. There is no sense worrying about the start of the season, that's not going to help us, a lot of business will be done in late August when the bigger clubs are done with their team building....it's just the way it is. COYR[/p][/quote]I don't think Vlaar is playing at Villa to get into the CL KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 4

10:03am Tue 5 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

BarnetSaint wrote:
I'm sick of hearing about this total waste of space.
No more from the Italian league.
I'd rather we took a punt on a few championship players.
Its worked before.
[quote][p][bold]BarnetSaint[/bold] wrote: I'm sick of hearing about this total waste of space. No more from the Italian league. I'd rather we took a punt on a few championship players.[/p][/quote]Its worked before. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 4

10:41am Tue 5 Aug 14

Mister E says...

SaintPC wrote:
It seems obvious to me that there are conversations going on we dont know about, which means that we need to be patient. I have learned to ignore pretty much all paper-talk and just wait until the deals are announced, I know it is exciting to be linked with so many good players, but the stories are all nonsense. How many papers told us of the Bertrand loan deal in the week leading up to it - none that I saw!

We also have to be realistic, you cant just "go out and get" players like Hernandez or Vlaar, they want to play European football so will wait to see what offers they have from those teams first. If they have nothing then they might look to Southampton - they arent going to choose us just because we want them. It's a merry-go-round and the top clubs have to play their hand first, we wait to see who is available after that.

As for Forster and van Dijk, I believe that we have secured deals in principle for these two, but that we have to wait until they are knocked out of the champions league on Wednesday. So expect them to be signed on Friday and maybe on the bench for the weekend.

There is no sense worrying about the start of the season, that's not going to help us, a lot of business will be done in late August when the bigger clubs are done with their team building....it's just the way it is. COYR
It may seem obvious to you, and I agree, but judging by some of the same old dross that keeps being repeated in some posts, it's not obvious to everyone!
[quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: It seems obvious to me that there are conversations going on we dont know about, which means that we need to be patient. I have learned to ignore pretty much all paper-talk and just wait until the deals are announced, I know it is exciting to be linked with so many good players, but the stories are all nonsense. How many papers told us of the Bertrand loan deal in the week leading up to it - none that I saw! We also have to be realistic, you cant just "go out and get" players like Hernandez or Vlaar, they want to play European football so will wait to see what offers they have from those teams first. If they have nothing then they might look to Southampton - they arent going to choose us just because we want them. It's a merry-go-round and the top clubs have to play their hand first, we wait to see who is available after that. As for Forster and van Dijk, I believe that we have secured deals in principle for these two, but that we have to wait until they are knocked out of the champions league on Wednesday. So expect them to be signed on Friday and maybe on the bench for the weekend. There is no sense worrying about the start of the season, that's not going to help us, a lot of business will be done in late August when the bigger clubs are done with their team building....it's just the way it is. COYR[/p][/quote]It may seem obvious to you, and I agree, but judging by some of the same old dross that keeps being repeated in some posts, it's not obvious to everyone! Mister E
  • Score: 7

11:03am Tue 5 Aug 14

Chapperall says...

Good riddance his ego was bigger than his football skills. He did nothing for Saints apart from causing mayhem. Just wish it was a sale as they will quickly find him out just as Juventus and we did! It would be good to see players coming in Saints direction.
Good riddance his ego was bigger than his football skills. He did nothing for Saints apart from causing mayhem. Just wish it was a sale as they will quickly find him out just as Juventus and we did! It would be good to see players coming in Saints direction. Chapperall
  • Score: 1

11:07am Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Six wonderful months DESTROYED in one head butt.
Six wonderful months DESTROYED in one head butt. SaintJD
  • Score: 5

11:27am Tue 5 Aug 14

Bazultra says...

Our board are a joke end of. Hit the thumbs down with your rose tinted glasses
Our board are a joke end of. Hit the thumbs down with your rose tinted glasses Bazultra
  • Score: -12

11:41am Tue 5 Aug 14

Egomaniac says...

Dear me! Some of you doom mongers should sit back and listen to yourselves!! If you are so damned clever about who and what we want why aren't you managing Saints - or indeed any other football club.

Come on now! have faith in our new manager. He's keeping a low profile right now because I suspect he's quietly getting to grips with the situation that has been SFC!

Finally, all the doom mongers who want to spend all the money from the sales - listen up guys and dolls. We are fans of the club - not the owners! I love to buy and support Kellog's Cornflakes but I have no say in how they manage the company! KL owns the football club, she can do what she chooses with the revenues and income - it's not ours to play with.

Whatever happens at St Marys - Premier League or League 2 - I will always be a Saints' supporter.
Dear me! Some of you doom mongers should sit back and listen to yourselves!! If you are so damned clever about who and what we want why aren't you managing Saints - or indeed any other football club. Come on now! have faith in our new manager. He's keeping a low profile right now because I suspect he's quietly getting to grips with the situation that has been SFC! Finally, all the doom mongers who want to spend all the money from the sales - listen up guys and dolls. We are fans of the club - not the owners! I love to buy and support Kellog's Cornflakes but I have no say in how they manage the company! KL owns the football club, she can do what she chooses with the revenues and income - it's not ours to play with. Whatever happens at St Marys - Premier League or League 2 - I will always be a Saints' supporter. Egomaniac
  • Score: 7

11:49am Tue 5 Aug 14

Jesus_02 says...

Saint Clements wrote:
Just checking - we were told by Les that all money going out would be reinvested in the team, right? Then why are we messing around with loan deals for £5m players? And why would anyone say 'We've had six out and now we're going to have four in'? Surely that logic only holds water if you're looking at equitable players - not just anyone? And I'm sorry, but losing your captain who's been here since 12, your most exciting defender (since eight, and who has been tipped by pretty much every expert to be England's right-back at the next World Cup) and our best CB for 15+ years is not equitable with the tosh mentioned in this article. Anyone saying otherwise is, frankly, deluding themselves. What we need is a marquee signing - someone like Hernandez that'll fire up our players here and convince the likes of Forster to force his way to St Mary's.
I agree - Osvaldo was a marquee signing. We may have lost 7.4m on him but we also gained Lovren and Wanyama and also kept Lallana, Lambert et al by demonstrating that we where at least trying to go somewhere.

I am crossing my fingers for Hernandez. I still have hope
[quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: Just checking - we were told by Les that all money going out would be reinvested in the team, right? Then why are we messing around with loan deals for £5m players? And why would anyone say 'We've had six out and now we're going to have four in'? Surely that logic only holds water if you're looking at equitable players - not just anyone? And I'm sorry, but losing your captain who's been here since 12, your most exciting defender (since eight, and who has been tipped by pretty much every expert to be England's right-back at the next World Cup) and our best CB for 15+ years is not equitable with the tosh mentioned in this article. Anyone saying otherwise is, frankly, deluding themselves. What we need is a marquee signing - someone like Hernandez that'll fire up our players here and convince the likes of Forster to force his way to St Mary's.[/p][/quote]I agree - Osvaldo was a marquee signing. We may have lost 7.4m on him but we also gained Lovren and Wanyama and also kept Lallana, Lambert et al by demonstrating that we where at least trying to go somewhere. I am crossing my fingers for Hernandez. I still have hope Jesus_02
  • Score: -3

12:09pm Tue 5 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
These look good, well one does if not both. Given that we've finally bitten the bullet on Osvaldo's value I'm surprised Les didn't do a permanent deal here as a straight swap for Taider would see more straightforward than complex loan arrangements. The try before you buy route is ok but too many loans will lack cohesion if things get rough this season.
Yep, agreed, but I can't help wondering if Inter want to try Osvaldo for size first!
There's a perfectly logical reason for trying to sign loan players with an option read the link posted on 3/4 occasions today. All is explained it is the best way to go for the time being.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: These look good, well one does if not both. Given that we've finally bitten the bullet on Osvaldo's value I'm surprised Les didn't do a permanent deal here as a straight swap for Taider would see more straightforward than complex loan arrangements. The try before you buy route is ok but too many loans will lack cohesion if things get rough this season.[/p][/quote]Yep, agreed, but I can't help wondering if Inter want to try Osvaldo for size first![/p][/quote]There's a perfectly logical reason for trying to sign loan players with an option read the link posted on 3/4 occasions today. All is explained it is the best way to go for the time being. jls217
  • Score: 1

12:11pm Tue 5 Aug 14

george chivers says...

SaintPC wrote:
It seems obvious to me that there are conversations going on we dont know about, which means that we need to be patient. I have learned to ignore pretty much all paper-talk and just wait until the deals are announced, I know it is exciting to be linked with so many good players, but the stories are all nonsense. How many papers told us of the Bertrand loan deal in the week leading up to it - none that I saw!

We also have to be realistic, you cant just "go out and get" players like Hernandez or Vlaar, they want to play European football so will wait to see what offers they have from those teams first. If they have nothing then they might look to Southampton - they arent going to choose us just because we want them. It's a merry-go-round and the top clubs have to play their hand first, we wait to see who is available after that.

As for Forster and van Dijk, I believe that we have secured deals in principle for these two, but that we have to wait until they are knocked out of the champions league on Wednesday. So expect them to be signed on Friday and maybe on the bench for the weekend.

There is no sense worrying about the start of the season, that's not going to help us, a lot of business will be done in late August when the bigger clubs are done with their team building....it's just the way it is. COYR
Good post and I agree with your Celtic/Wednesday comment whole heartedly. But I am still not convinced Spiderman will be with us after the first of September and I think we will still have a big chunk of cash left from the sale of players come the second of September.

We seem to be going for players with relatively low wages to keep the running costs of the business down. Understandably.
[quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: It seems obvious to me that there are conversations going on we dont know about, which means that we need to be patient. I have learned to ignore pretty much all paper-talk and just wait until the deals are announced, I know it is exciting to be linked with so many good players, but the stories are all nonsense. How many papers told us of the Bertrand loan deal in the week leading up to it - none that I saw! We also have to be realistic, you cant just "go out and get" players like Hernandez or Vlaar, they want to play European football so will wait to see what offers they have from those teams first. If they have nothing then they might look to Southampton - they arent going to choose us just because we want them. It's a merry-go-round and the top clubs have to play their hand first, we wait to see who is available after that. As for Forster and van Dijk, I believe that we have secured deals in principle for these two, but that we have to wait until they are knocked out of the champions league on Wednesday. So expect them to be signed on Friday and maybe on the bench for the weekend. There is no sense worrying about the start of the season, that's not going to help us, a lot of business will be done in late August when the bigger clubs are done with their team building....it's just the way it is. COYR[/p][/quote]Good post and I agree with your Celtic/Wednesday comment whole heartedly. But I am still not convinced Spiderman will be with us after the first of September and I think we will still have a big chunk of cash left from the sale of players come the second of September. We seem to be going for players with relatively low wages to keep the running costs of the business down. Understandably. george chivers
  • Score: -1

12:12pm Tue 5 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Mister E wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
It seems obvious to me that there are conversations going on we dont know about, which means that we need to be patient. I have learned to ignore pretty much all paper-talk and just wait until the deals are announced, I know it is exciting to be linked with so many good players, but the stories are all nonsense. How many papers told us of the Bertrand loan deal in the week leading up to it - none that I saw!

We also have to be realistic, you cant just "go out and get" players like Hernandez or Vlaar, they want to play European football so will wait to see what offers they have from those teams first. If they have nothing then they might look to Southampton - they arent going to choose us just because we want them. It's a merry-go-round and the top clubs have to play their hand first, we wait to see who is available after that.

As for Forster and van Dijk, I believe that we have secured deals in principle for these two, but that we have to wait until they are knocked out of the champions league on Wednesday. So expect them to be signed on Friday and maybe on the bench for the weekend.

There is no sense worrying about the start of the season, that's not going to help us, a lot of business will be done in late August when the bigger clubs are done with their team building....it's just the way it is. COYR
It may seem obvious to you, and I agree, but judging by some of the same old dross that keeps being repeated in some posts, it's not obvious to everyone!
'Cos they're not happy unless they think they have something to whine about mate. As this one is cleared up they'll just latch onto the next idea that jumps into their heads without thinking it through first. Nowt so strange as folk.
[quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: It seems obvious to me that there are conversations going on we dont know about, which means that we need to be patient. I have learned to ignore pretty much all paper-talk and just wait until the deals are announced, I know it is exciting to be linked with so many good players, but the stories are all nonsense. How many papers told us of the Bertrand loan deal in the week leading up to it - none that I saw! We also have to be realistic, you cant just "go out and get" players like Hernandez or Vlaar, they want to play European football so will wait to see what offers they have from those teams first. If they have nothing then they might look to Southampton - they arent going to choose us just because we want them. It's a merry-go-round and the top clubs have to play their hand first, we wait to see who is available after that. As for Forster and van Dijk, I believe that we have secured deals in principle for these two, but that we have to wait until they are knocked out of the champions league on Wednesday. So expect them to be signed on Friday and maybe on the bench for the weekend. There is no sense worrying about the start of the season, that's not going to help us, a lot of business will be done in late August when the bigger clubs are done with their team building....it's just the way it is. COYR[/p][/quote]It may seem obvious to you, and I agree, but judging by some of the same old dross that keeps being repeated in some posts, it's not obvious to everyone![/p][/quote]'Cos they're not happy unless they think they have something to whine about mate. As this one is cleared up they'll just latch onto the next idea that jumps into their heads without thinking it through first. Nowt so strange as folk. jls217
  • Score: 2

12:13pm Tue 5 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Bazultra wrote:
Our board are a joke end of. Hit the thumbs down with your rose tinted glasses
Few at laughing at the management mate but there are a great many laughing at you.
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Our board are a joke end of. Hit the thumbs down with your rose tinted glasses[/p][/quote]Few at laughing at the management mate but there are a great many laughing at you. jls217
  • Score: 0

12:40pm Tue 5 Aug 14

jls217 says...

If these two youngsters are part of the deal and it goes through today - by tomorrow we will have the flying wingers we were so short of last season - these have shown they can do it in serie A now let's see them prove they can do it in the PL and if they can't we pack them off back to Mama if they do we already have a first refusal at today's prices not at te over inflated ones they may command if they have one successful season (look at what we've just charged for players with one successful season under their belts)
Samara has been around and played as a striker or as an out and out left winger (JRod's stand-in?) He's on a free (made for us you might say and below are is stats.

PERFORMANCE DATA
Wettbewerb
Appearances


Minute per goal
Minutes
Insgesamt : 406 110 64 210 23.
072
Scottish Premiership Premiers
hip 171 53 34 192 10
.188
Eredivisie Eredivisi
e 88 25 8 149 3.718
Premier League Premier League 54 8 5 366 2.
930
SFA Cup SFA Cup 19 2 4 561 1.121

UEFA Champions League Champions League 18 4 3 355 1.
421
UEFA Champions League Qualification Champi
ons League Qualification 15 6 5
185 1.107
Europa League Europa League 12 2 3 442 88
4
UEFA-Cup UEFA Cup 10 2 - 180 359
FA-Cup FA-Cup 7 2 -
210 420
Scottish League Cup League Cup 6 3 2 134 402
League Cup League Cup 3 2 - 135 270
Europa League Qualifiers Europa League Qualifiers 2 1 - 162
162
KNVB Beker KNVB Beker 1 - - - 90

On a free most certainly worth a punt - Still need one more striker, a RB, 1/2 CB's and competition for Borat though.

We may get the answer for one of the CB's and the Keeper on Thursday morn depending on whether Celtic are knocked out or not.

This is going to be the best season ever.
If these two youngsters are part of the deal and it goes through today - by tomorrow we will have the flying wingers we were so short of last season - these have shown they can do it in serie A now let's see them prove they can do it in the PL and if they can't we pack them off back to Mama if they do we already have a first refusal at today's prices not at te over inflated ones they may command if they have one successful season (look at what we've just charged for players with one successful season under their belts) Samara has been around and played as a striker or as an out and out left winger (JRod's stand-in?) He's on a free (made for us you might say and below are is stats. PERFORMANCE DATA Wettbewerb Appearances Minute per goal Minutes Insgesamt : 406 110 64 210 23. 072 Scottish Premiership Premiers hip 171 53 34 192 10 .188 Eredivisie Eredivisi e 88 25 8 149 3.718 Premier League Premier League 54 8 5 366 2. 930 SFA Cup SFA Cup 19 2 4 561 1.121 UEFA Champions League Champions League 18 4 3 355 1. 421 UEFA Champions League Qualification Champi ons League Qualification 15 6 5 185 1.107 Europa League Europa League 12 2 3 442 88 4 UEFA-Cup UEFA Cup 10 2 - 180 359 FA-Cup FA-Cup 7 2 - 210 420 Scottish League Cup League Cup 6 3 2 134 402 League Cup League Cup 3 2 - 135 270 Europa League Qualifiers Europa League Qualifiers 2 1 - 162 162 KNVB Beker KNVB Beker 1 - - - 90 On a free most certainly worth a punt - Still need one more striker, a RB, 1/2 CB's and competition for Borat though. We may get the answer for one of the CB's and the Keeper on Thursday morn depending on whether Celtic are knocked out or not. This is going to be the best season ever. jls217
  • Score: 2

2:02pm Tue 5 Aug 14

bullsbags says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Just checking - we were told by Les that all money going out would be reinvested in the team, right? Then why are we messing around with loan deals for £5m players? And why would anyone say 'We've had six out and now we're going to have four in'? Surely that logic only holds water if you're looking at equitable players - not just anyone? And I'm sorry, but losing your captain who's been here since 12, your most exciting defender (since eight, and who has been tipped by pretty much every expert to be England's right-back at the next World Cup) and our best CB for 15+ years is not equitable with the tosh mentioned in this article. Anyone saying otherwise is, frankly, deluding themselves. What we need is a marquee signing - someone like Hernandez that'll fire up our players here and convince the likes of Forster to force his way to St Mary's.
I agree - Osvaldo was a marquee signing. We may have lost 7.4m on him but we also gained Lovren and Wanyama and also kept Lallana, Lambert et al by demonstrating that we where at least trying to go somewhere.

I am crossing my fingers for Hernandez. I still have hope
I'm crossing my fingers for Hernandez too
Crossing them hoping he doesn't come here
Players like him would only come for one reason MONEY
I would rather go down the championship route a la j rod and sign players who want to make something of themselves footballing wise
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: Just checking - we were told by Les that all money going out would be reinvested in the team, right? Then why are we messing around with loan deals for £5m players? And why would anyone say 'We've had six out and now we're going to have four in'? Surely that logic only holds water if you're looking at equitable players - not just anyone? And I'm sorry, but losing your captain who's been here since 12, your most exciting defender (since eight, and who has been tipped by pretty much every expert to be England's right-back at the next World Cup) and our best CB for 15+ years is not equitable with the tosh mentioned in this article. Anyone saying otherwise is, frankly, deluding themselves. What we need is a marquee signing - someone like Hernandez that'll fire up our players here and convince the likes of Forster to force his way to St Mary's.[/p][/quote]I agree - Osvaldo was a marquee signing. We may have lost 7.4m on him but we also gained Lovren and Wanyama and also kept Lallana, Lambert et al by demonstrating that we where at least trying to go somewhere. I am crossing my fingers for Hernandez. I still have hope[/p][/quote]I'm crossing my fingers for Hernandez too Crossing them hoping he doesn't come here Players like him would only come for one reason MONEY I would rather go down the championship route a la j rod and sign players who want to make something of themselves footballing wise bullsbags
  • Score: 1

3:04pm Tue 5 Aug 14

NC Fan4Life says...

devonsaint2 wrote:
As a Saints fan for 49 yrs I am excited by this season...Players always leave, albeit not usually so many in one go. ( I think there was a huge amount of indoctrination by Cortese and with his press connections things just spiralled).
New SEASON...
I would be pleased to see the following team start |( if we can get the Celtic 2 )
Forster ( understudy Boruc/Davis )

Clyne ( ) Fonte, ( Yoshida) Van Dyk ( Hooiveld) Bertrand(Targett)

Wanyama ( )

Dusan ( Taider) , Davis ( WP), Cork( Reed),
Ramirez ( Jayrod / Mc Queen)
Pelle ( Gallagher )


Not included Morgan.
Your team is not as strong as last seasons and we all agreed that four more better quality players were needed to add to it, before all the departures.

Forster / Boruc are about the same quality

Van Dyjk is not as good as Lovren
PLUS we need a better CB for Fonte

Bertrand may be OK but not as good as Luke,

No cover/competition for Clyne now Chambers has gone

Morgan will be sold, don't believe Ralph so a replacement is required like Jordy Classie if we can attract/afford him.

Desperately short of fire power up front, Pelle no better than Lambert
& Gallagher not ready yet.

Therefore 5 or 6 more better quality players still required to make us a better team/squad than last season.

I believe that Saints will only spend about £25m plus at least one more loan player, a bit more when Morgan is sold just before the window closes to make MoPo sweat on it.

Accepting that we will have a worst start to this season than last but hope to improve after the January window when we have discovered how many of the new players are not good enough after all.

So instead of pushing on, this will be a rebuilding season for Saints and hope that RonKo is given the support and time to do it.

COYR
[quote][p][bold]devonsaint2[/bold] wrote: As a Saints fan for 49 yrs I am excited by this season...Players always leave, albeit not usually so many in one go. ( I think there was a huge amount of indoctrination by Cortese and with his press connections things just spiralled). New SEASON... I would be pleased to see the following team start |( if we can get the Celtic 2 ) Forster ( understudy Boruc/Davis ) Clyne ( ) Fonte, ( Yoshida) Van Dyk ( Hooiveld) Bertrand(Targett) Wanyama ( ) Dusan ( Taider) , Davis ( WP), Cork( Reed), Ramirez ( Jayrod / Mc Queen) Pelle ( Gallagher ) Not included Morgan.[/p][/quote]Your team is not as strong as last seasons and we all agreed that four more better quality players were needed to add to it, before all the departures. Forster / Boruc are about the same quality Van Dyjk is not as good as Lovren PLUS we need a better CB for Fonte Bertrand may be OK but not as good as Luke, No cover/competition for Clyne now Chambers has gone Morgan will be sold, don't believe Ralph so a replacement is required like Jordy Classie if we can attract/afford him. Desperately short of fire power up front, Pelle no better than Lambert & Gallagher not ready yet. Therefore 5 or 6 more better quality players still required to make us a better team/squad than last season. I believe that Saints will only spend about £25m plus at least one more loan player, a bit more when Morgan is sold just before the window closes to make MoPo sweat on it. Accepting that we will have a worst start to this season than last but hope to improve after the January window when we have discovered how many of the new players are not good enough after all. So instead of pushing on, this will be a rebuilding season for Saints and hope that RonKo is given the support and time to do it. COYR NC Fan4Life
  • Score: -3

5:45pm Tue 5 Aug 14

The_Judge says...

Good riddance, but f you think the signing of Osvaldo was bad wait until Samaras signs.
Good riddance, but f you think the signing of Osvaldo was bad wait until Samaras signs. The_Judge
  • Score: 3

6:05pm Tue 5 Aug 14

echo1948 says...

How many more times? Am I the only one on here that can see it? We ain,t getting no more players no matter how many we are linked with. The transfer funds are firmly locked away in KL ,s handbag, and that,s where they will stay. Get used to it !
How many more times? Am I the only one on here that can see it? We ain,t getting no more players no matter how many we are linked with. The transfer funds are firmly locked away in KL ,s handbag, and that,s where they will stay. Get used to it ! echo1948
  • Score: -2

6:07pm Tue 5 Aug 14

echo1948 says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
devonsaint2 wrote:
As a Saints fan for 49 yrs I am excited by this season...Players always leave, albeit not usually so many in one go. ( I think there was a huge amount of indoctrination by Cortese and with his press connections things just spiralled).
New SEASON...
I would be pleased to see the following team start |( if we can get the Celtic 2 )
Forster ( understudy Boruc/Davis )

Clyne ( ) Fonte, ( Yoshida) Van Dyk ( Hooiveld) Bertrand(Targett)

Wanyama ( )

Dusan ( Taider) , Davis ( WP), Cork( Reed),
Ramirez ( Jayrod / Mc Queen)
Pelle ( Gallagher )


Not included Morgan.
Your team is not as strong as last seasons and we all agreed that four more better quality players were needed to add to it, before all the departures.

Forster / Boruc are about the same quality

Van Dyjk is not as good as Lovren
PLUS we need a better CB for Fonte

Bertrand may be OK but not as good as Luke,

No cover/competition for Clyne now Chambers has gone

Morgan will be sold, don't believe Ralph so a replacement is required like Jordy Classie if we can attract/afford him.

Desperately short of fire power up front, Pelle no better than Lambert
& Gallagher not ready yet.

Therefore 5 or 6 more better quality players still required to make us a better team/squad than last season.

I believe that Saints will only spend about £25m plus at least one more loan player, a bit more when Morgan is sold just before the window closes to make MoPo sweat on it.

Accepting that we will have a worst start to this season than last but hope to improve after the January window when we have discovered how many of the new players are not good enough after all.

So instead of pushing on, this will be a rebuilding season for Saints and hope that RonKo is given the support and time to do it.

COYR
This could also be the season we get relegated.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]devonsaint2[/bold] wrote: As a Saints fan for 49 yrs I am excited by this season...Players always leave, albeit not usually so many in one go. ( I think there was a huge amount of indoctrination by Cortese and with his press connections things just spiralled). New SEASON... I would be pleased to see the following team start |( if we can get the Celtic 2 ) Forster ( understudy Boruc/Davis ) Clyne ( ) Fonte, ( Yoshida) Van Dyk ( Hooiveld) Bertrand(Targett) Wanyama ( ) Dusan ( Taider) , Davis ( WP), Cork( Reed), Ramirez ( Jayrod / Mc Queen) Pelle ( Gallagher ) Not included Morgan.[/p][/quote]Your team is not as strong as last seasons and we all agreed that four more better quality players were needed to add to it, before all the departures. Forster / Boruc are about the same quality Van Dyjk is not as good as Lovren PLUS we need a better CB for Fonte Bertrand may be OK but not as good as Luke, No cover/competition for Clyne now Chambers has gone Morgan will be sold, don't believe Ralph so a replacement is required like Jordy Classie if we can attract/afford him. Desperately short of fire power up front, Pelle no better than Lambert & Gallagher not ready yet. Therefore 5 or 6 more better quality players still required to make us a better team/squad than last season. I believe that Saints will only spend about £25m plus at least one more loan player, a bit more when Morgan is sold just before the window closes to make MoPo sweat on it. Accepting that we will have a worst start to this season than last but hope to improve after the January window when we have discovered how many of the new players are not good enough after all. So instead of pushing on, this will be a rebuilding season for Saints and hope that RonKo is given the support and time to do it. COYR[/p][/quote]This could also be the season we get relegated. echo1948
  • Score: -4

7:38pm Tue 5 Aug 14

knuckle dragger says...

echo1948 wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
devonsaint2 wrote:
As a Saints fan for 49 yrs I am excited by this season...Players always leave, albeit not usually so many in one go. ( I think there was a huge amount of indoctrination by Cortese and with his press connections things just spiralled).
New SEASON...
I would be pleased to see the following team start |( if we can get the Celtic 2 )
Forster ( understudy Boruc/Davis )

Clyne ( ) Fonte, ( Yoshida) Van Dyk ( Hooiveld) Bertrand(Targett)

Wanyama ( )

Dusan ( Taider) , Davis ( WP), Cork( Reed),
Ramirez ( Jayrod / Mc Queen)
Pelle ( Gallagher )


Not included Morgan.
Your team is not as strong as last seasons and we all agreed that four more better quality players were needed to add to it, before all the departures.

Forster / Boruc are about the same quality

Van Dyjk is not as good as Lovren
PLUS we need a better CB for Fonte

Bertrand may be OK but not as good as Luke,

No cover/competition for Clyne now Chambers has gone

Morgan will be sold, don't believe Ralph so a replacement is required like Jordy Classie if we can attract/afford him.

Desperately short of fire power up front, Pelle no better than Lambert
& Gallagher not ready yet.

Therefore 5 or 6 more better quality players still required to make us a better team/squad than last season.

I believe that Saints will only spend about £25m plus at least one more loan player, a bit more when Morgan is sold just before the window closes to make MoPo sweat on it.

Accepting that we will have a worst start to this season than last but hope to improve after the January window when we have discovered how many of the new players are not good enough after all.

So instead of pushing on, this will be a rebuilding season for Saints and hope that RonKo is given the support and time to do it.

COYR
This could also be the season we get relegated.
That's what I like to see - a nice bit of optimism.
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]devonsaint2[/bold] wrote: As a Saints fan for 49 yrs I am excited by this season...Players always leave, albeit not usually so many in one go. ( I think there was a huge amount of indoctrination by Cortese and with his press connections things just spiralled). New SEASON... I would be pleased to see the following team start |( if we can get the Celtic 2 ) Forster ( understudy Boruc/Davis ) Clyne ( ) Fonte, ( Yoshida) Van Dyk ( Hooiveld) Bertrand(Targett) Wanyama ( ) Dusan ( Taider) , Davis ( WP), Cork( Reed), Ramirez ( Jayrod / Mc Queen) Pelle ( Gallagher ) Not included Morgan.[/p][/quote]Your team is not as strong as last seasons and we all agreed that four more better quality players were needed to add to it, before all the departures. Forster / Boruc are about the same quality Van Dyjk is not as good as Lovren PLUS we need a better CB for Fonte Bertrand may be OK but not as good as Luke, No cover/competition for Clyne now Chambers has gone Morgan will be sold, don't believe Ralph so a replacement is required like Jordy Classie if we can attract/afford him. Desperately short of fire power up front, Pelle no better than Lambert & Gallagher not ready yet. Therefore 5 or 6 more better quality players still required to make us a better team/squad than last season. I believe that Saints will only spend about £25m plus at least one more loan player, a bit more when Morgan is sold just before the window closes to make MoPo sweat on it. Accepting that we will have a worst start to this season than last but hope to improve after the January window when we have discovered how many of the new players are not good enough after all. So instead of pushing on, this will be a rebuilding season for Saints and hope that RonKo is given the support and time to do it. COYR[/p][/quote]This could also be the season we get relegated.[/p][/quote]That's what I like to see - a nice bit of optimism. knuckle dragger
  • Score: 1

7:41pm Tue 5 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Has Osvaldo gone yet?
Are the two new players on there way yet?
Will Celtic lose tomorrow night and will the two players we want leave to join Saints?
How long is that discussion between Lambert and Vlaar going to take to confirm if he's coming here or staying at Villa?
Could this be the season Villa. Palace, QPR, Leicester, Burnley, Sunderland or WBA get relegated?
Does Sammy 2 dunnies really need to sh1tters to live in?
Do we really need the "PC Police Squad" on this forum?
Will Rickie Lambert ever score from the penalty spot again?
Will Liellana play more than half a season for liverhampton?
How do we really know if free range eggs really are free range?
We need answers and soon
Has Osvaldo gone yet? Are the two new players on there way yet? Will Celtic lose tomorrow night and will the two players we want leave to join Saints? How long is that discussion between Lambert and Vlaar going to take to confirm if he's coming here or staying at Villa? Could this be the season Villa. Palace, QPR, Leicester, Burnley, Sunderland or WBA get relegated? Does Sammy 2 dunnies really need to sh1tters to live in? Do we really need the "PC Police Squad" on this forum? Will Rickie Lambert ever score from the penalty spot again? Will Liellana play more than half a season for liverhampton? How do we really know if free range eggs really are free range? We need answers and soon J7junctionseven
  • Score: 1

7:43pm Tue 5 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Their and two ....typos
Their and two ....typos J7junctionseven
  • Score: 1

7:50pm Tue 5 Aug 14

up saints says...

saying now osvaldo deal tomorrow why the delay oh perhaps saying goodbye to all his friends in southampton
saying now osvaldo deal tomorrow why the delay oh perhaps saying goodbye to all his friends in southampton up saints
  • Score: 1

7:51pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Mister E says...

echo1948 wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
devonsaint2 wrote:
As a Saints fan for 49 yrs I am excited by this season...Players always leave, albeit not usually so many in one go. ( I think there was a huge amount of indoctrination by Cortese and with his press connections things just spiralled).
New SEASON...
I would be pleased to see the following team start |( if we can get the Celtic 2 )
Forster ( understudy Boruc/Davis )

Clyne ( ) Fonte, ( Yoshida) Van Dyk ( Hooiveld) Bertrand(Targett)

Wanyama ( )

Dusan ( Taider) , Davis ( WP), Cork( Reed),
Ramirez ( Jayrod / Mc Queen)
Pelle ( Gallagher )


Not included Morgan.
Your team is not as strong as last seasons and we all agreed that four more better quality players were needed to add to it, before all the departures.

Forster / Boruc are about the same quality

Van Dyjk is not as good as Lovren
PLUS we need a better CB for Fonte

Bertrand may be OK but not as good as Luke,

No cover/competition for Clyne now Chambers has gone

Morgan will be sold, don't believe Ralph so a replacement is required like Jordy Classie if we can attract/afford him.

Desperately short of fire power up front, Pelle no better than Lambert
& Gallagher not ready yet.

Therefore 5 or 6 more better quality players still required to make us a better team/squad than last season.

I believe that Saints will only spend about £25m plus at least one more loan player, a bit more when Morgan is sold just before the window closes to make MoPo sweat on it.

Accepting that we will have a worst start to this season than last but hope to improve after the January window when we have discovered how many of the new players are not good enough after all.

So instead of pushing on, this will be a rebuilding season for Saints and hope that RonKo is given the support and time to do it.

COYR
This could also be the season we get relegated.
Could just as easily be the season we re-group and consolidate!
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]devonsaint2[/bold] wrote: As a Saints fan for 49 yrs I am excited by this season...Players always leave, albeit not usually so many in one go. ( I think there was a huge amount of indoctrination by Cortese and with his press connections things just spiralled). New SEASON... I would be pleased to see the following team start |( if we can get the Celtic 2 ) Forster ( understudy Boruc/Davis ) Clyne ( ) Fonte, ( Yoshida) Van Dyk ( Hooiveld) Bertrand(Targett) Wanyama ( ) Dusan ( Taider) , Davis ( WP), Cork( Reed), Ramirez ( Jayrod / Mc Queen) Pelle ( Gallagher ) Not included Morgan.[/p][/quote]Your team is not as strong as last seasons and we all agreed that four more better quality players were needed to add to it, before all the departures. Forster / Boruc are about the same quality Van Dyjk is not as good as Lovren PLUS we need a better CB for Fonte Bertrand may be OK but not as good as Luke, No cover/competition for Clyne now Chambers has gone Morgan will be sold, don't believe Ralph so a replacement is required like Jordy Classie if we can attract/afford him. Desperately short of fire power up front, Pelle no better than Lambert & Gallagher not ready yet. Therefore 5 or 6 more better quality players still required to make us a better team/squad than last season. I believe that Saints will only spend about £25m plus at least one more loan player, a bit more when Morgan is sold just before the window closes to make MoPo sweat on it. Accepting that we will have a worst start to this season than last but hope to improve after the January window when we have discovered how many of the new players are not good enough after all. So instead of pushing on, this will be a rebuilding season for Saints and hope that RonKo is given the support and time to do it. COYR[/p][/quote]This could also be the season we get relegated.[/p][/quote]Could just as easily be the season we re-group and consolidate! Mister E
  • Score: 2

8:37pm Tue 5 Aug 14

echo1948 says...

Mister E wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
devonsaint2 wrote:
As a Saints fan for 49 yrs I am excited by this season...Players always leave, albeit not usually so many in one go. ( I think there was a huge amount of indoctrination by Cortese and with his press connections things just spiralled).
New SEASON...
I would be pleased to see the following team start |( if we can get the Celtic 2 )
Forster ( understudy Boruc/Davis )

Clyne ( ) Fonte, ( Yoshida) Van Dyk ( Hooiveld) Bertrand(Targett)

Wanyama ( )

Dusan ( Taider) , Davis ( WP), Cork( Reed),
Ramirez ( Jayrod / Mc Queen)
Pelle ( Gallagher )


Not included Morgan.
Your team is not as strong as last seasons and we all agreed that four more better quality players were needed to add to it, before all the departures.

Forster / Boruc are about the same quality

Van Dyjk is not as good as Lovren
PLUS we need a better CB for Fonte

Bertrand may be OK but not as good as Luke,

No cover/competition for Clyne now Chambers has gone

Morgan will be sold, don't believe Ralph so a replacement is required like Jordy Classie if we can attract/afford him.

Desperately short of fire power up front, Pelle no better than Lambert
& Gallagher not ready yet.

Therefore 5 or 6 more better quality players still required to make us a better team/squad than last season.

I believe that Saints will only spend about £25m plus at least one more loan player, a bit more when Morgan is sold just before the window closes to make MoPo sweat on it.

Accepting that we will have a worst start to this season than last but hope to improve after the January window when we have discovered how many of the new players are not good enough after all.

So instead of pushing on, this will be a rebuilding season for Saints and hope that RonKo is given the support and time to do it.

COYR
This could also be the season we get relegated.
Could just as easily be the season we re-group and consolidate!
I quite agree, but not without a good chunk of money to buy decent players, which I can,t see happening.
[quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]devonsaint2[/bold] wrote: As a Saints fan for 49 yrs I am excited by this season...Players always leave, albeit not usually so many in one go. ( I think there was a huge amount of indoctrination by Cortese and with his press connections things just spiralled). New SEASON... I would be pleased to see the following team start |( if we can get the Celtic 2 ) Forster ( understudy Boruc/Davis ) Clyne ( ) Fonte, ( Yoshida) Van Dyk ( Hooiveld) Bertrand(Targett) Wanyama ( ) Dusan ( Taider) , Davis ( WP), Cork( Reed), Ramirez ( Jayrod / Mc Queen) Pelle ( Gallagher ) Not included Morgan.[/p][/quote]Your team is not as strong as last seasons and we all agreed that four more better quality players were needed to add to it, before all the departures. Forster / Boruc are about the same quality Van Dyjk is not as good as Lovren PLUS we need a better CB for Fonte Bertrand may be OK but not as good as Luke, No cover/competition for Clyne now Chambers has gone Morgan will be sold, don't believe Ralph so a replacement is required like Jordy Classie if we can attract/afford him. Desperately short of fire power up front, Pelle no better than Lambert & Gallagher not ready yet. Therefore 5 or 6 more better quality players still required to make us a better team/squad than last season. I believe that Saints will only spend about £25m plus at least one more loan player, a bit more when Morgan is sold just before the window closes to make MoPo sweat on it. Accepting that we will have a worst start to this season than last but hope to improve after the January window when we have discovered how many of the new players are not good enough after all. So instead of pushing on, this will be a rebuilding season for Saints and hope that RonKo is given the support and time to do it. COYR[/p][/quote]This could also be the season we get relegated.[/p][/quote]Could just as easily be the season we re-group and consolidate![/p][/quote]I quite agree, but not without a good chunk of money to buy decent players, which I can,t see happening. echo1948
  • Score: 0

9:37pm Tue 5 Aug 14

peregrine73 says...

Many comments about possible signings,but as in past weeks its all subjective.The new season is now rapidly approaching and at the present time there is little to get excited about!.Weak defence,poor attack are ingredients for poor results.The fans don't deserve this,cashing in by the owner,poor communication and poor PR has made us the focus of attention in the premiership for all the wrong reasons.I just can't see how the club can survive in the top flight with what is left of the squad.
Many fans will be dissolutioned and very unhappy after the first few games when it will become evident that we have been hoodwinked by Krueger and co.
Many comments about possible signings,but as in past weeks its all subjective.The new season is now rapidly approaching and at the present time there is little to get excited about!.Weak defence,poor attack are ingredients for poor results.The fans don't deserve this,cashing in by the owner,poor communication and poor PR has made us the focus of attention in the premiership for all the wrong reasons.I just can't see how the club can survive in the top flight with what is left of the squad. Many fans will be dissolutioned and very unhappy after the first few games when it will become evident that we have been hoodwinked by Krueger and co. peregrine73
  • Score: -2

9:50pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Block 42 says...

bullsbags wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Just checking - we were told by Les that all money going out would be reinvested in the team, right? Then why are we messing around with loan deals for £5m players? And why would anyone say 'We've had six out and now we're going to have four in'? Surely that logic only holds water if you're looking at equitable players - not just anyone? And I'm sorry, but losing your captain who's been here since 12, your most exciting defender (since eight, and who has been tipped by pretty much every expert to be England's right-back at the next World Cup) and our best CB for 15+ years is not equitable with the tosh mentioned in this article. Anyone saying otherwise is, frankly, deluding themselves. What we need is a marquee signing - someone like Hernandez that'll fire up our players here and convince the likes of Forster to force his way to St Mary's.
I agree - Osvaldo was a marquee signing. We may have lost 7.4m on him but we also gained Lovren and Wanyama and also kept Lallana, Lambert et al by demonstrating that we where at least trying to go somewhere.

I am crossing my fingers for Hernandez. I still have hope
I'm crossing my fingers for Hernandez too
Crossing them hoping he doesn't come here
Players like him would only come for one reason MONEY
I would rather go down the championship route a la j rod and sign players who want to make something of themselves footballing wise
Your an absolute retard...you dint want hernandez??you have zero ambition.what kind of fan would want us to be relegated??we need quality and fast.hernandez is quality and fast.go back to being a dullard.
[quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: Just checking - we were told by Les that all money going out would be reinvested in the team, right? Then why are we messing around with loan deals for £5m players? And why would anyone say 'We've had six out and now we're going to have four in'? Surely that logic only holds water if you're looking at equitable players - not just anyone? And I'm sorry, but losing your captain who's been here since 12, your most exciting defender (since eight, and who has been tipped by pretty much every expert to be England's right-back at the next World Cup) and our best CB for 15+ years is not equitable with the tosh mentioned in this article. Anyone saying otherwise is, frankly, deluding themselves. What we need is a marquee signing - someone like Hernandez that'll fire up our players here and convince the likes of Forster to force his way to St Mary's.[/p][/quote]I agree - Osvaldo was a marquee signing. We may have lost 7.4m on him but we also gained Lovren and Wanyama and also kept Lallana, Lambert et al by demonstrating that we where at least trying to go somewhere. I am crossing my fingers for Hernandez. I still have hope[/p][/quote]I'm crossing my fingers for Hernandez too Crossing them hoping he doesn't come here Players like him would only come for one reason MONEY I would rather go down the championship route a la j rod and sign players who want to make something of themselves footballing wise[/p][/quote]Your an absolute retard...you dint want hernandez??you have zero ambition.what kind of fan would want us to be relegated??we need quality and fast.hernandez is quality and fast.go back to being a dullard. Block 42
  • Score: -1

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