COMMENT: A Saints exit met with relief

DANI OSVALDO

DANI OSVALDO

First published in Sport Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Sports Writer

For the first time this summer a Saints departure will be met with relief rather than angst.

Dani Osvaldo’s move to Inter Milan, assuming it hits no last minute hitches, will certainly not be greeted in the same way as the departures of the likes of Adam Lallana and Dejan Lovren.

While there has been plenty of room for frustration and panic from Saints fans over the previous few weeks or so, Osvaldo’s switch to the Italian giants will be cheered by the vast majority.

It is really saying something about the impact he had in his few months here that even a squad and set of fans desperate for extra numbers and quality are not even remotely concerned about losing an Italian international from their ranks. In fact, if anything they are positively happy about it.

Even with everything that has happened at Saints this summer, there was no way that Osvaldo was ever going to be reintegrated into the Saints set-up.

For a dressing room that is already rocking and reeling and trying to find their way back to normality, to bring back such a divisive influence risked causing a massive fissure.

Osvaldo’s days at Saints were all but over on that January morning when he started his dust-up with Jose Fonte.

Not only had the striker failed to really flourish since joining the club for a club record fee, an initial £12.9m, and looked like a ticking time bomb when he stepped onto the pitch, but his bust-up was with a key and very senior member of the dressing room.

Fonte is respected and liked by his teammates, and recognised as a pillar of the tightly knit unit that took the club from League One into the top flight.

His colleagues rallied around him and, though some of those have of course now gone, it was still not a viable option for Osvaldo to return to these shores.

Ronald Koeman is doing all he can as Saints manager, and quietly impressing already, but that is a situation he will be relieved not to handle.

That Osvaldo didn’t return back for pre-season training, and that Saints, from the outside at least, seemed relieved rather than concerned about his absence, blamed on illness, spoke volumes.

They seemed relieved for the breathing space to try and manufacture a move away.

At least this time his buyout clause is a realistic one.

There was a bit of backslapping when they shifted him out on transfer deadline day to Juventus on loan with an option for a permanent move for more than £15m. That option was, predictably, not exercised.

A buyout clause of £5.5m sounds far more realistic.

It would be a huge loss, but with Osvaldo off the wage bill, and players coming in the opposite direction to help bolster Koeman’s squad, there are other factors to take into account.

Saints will certainly be hoping that Osvaldo has a stellar time at the San Siro, so much so that they move to buy him permanently. Heavy financial loss or not, that might just bring the biggest sigh of relief of all.

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10:25am Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

More excitement than relief - means we can look forward to even more 'former player' articles from the Echo. 'Former Saint goes to an Italian restaurant' 'Former Saint wipes his @rse in Venice' - the possibilities are endless.
More excitement than relief - means we can look forward to even more 'former player' articles from the Echo. 'Former Saint goes to an Italian restaurant' 'Former Saint wipes his @rse in Venice' - the possibilities are endless. SaintJD
  • Score: 22

11:02am Tue 5 Aug 14

White and red till dead says...

He's only on loan, he could still come back. Seriously, who would buy him?
He's only on loan, he could still come back. Seriously, who would buy him? White and red till dead
  • Score: 12

11:15am Tue 5 Aug 14

saint Compo says...

How about a bit of real investigative journalism (for a change) from the Echo about the impact of the Premier League's Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules on smaller clubs like Saints?

Although it's hard to retain top players who want to play in Europe, it's now impossible to meet their high wage demands too. Under FFP Saints are severely restricted in the amount they can increase their total wage bill year on year with the result that they cannot go anywhere near meeting the levels of wages demanded by the best players.

Although the FFP are mainly designed to stop clubs from going bust, they also serve to maintain the status quo whereby the 'Big' clubs can continue to pay high (though not ever increasingly exhorbitant) wages while the smaller clubs, like Saints, are stuck with the lower level pay scales.

What's more, the Big clubs can increase their commercial revenues (through brand exploitation and pre-season matches in the States!) and TV revenues (by being featured heavily on Sky and now BT Sports). This raises their overall income levels at a faster rate than Saints can hope to achieve and so enables them to increase their wage bills at a faster rate. (It explains why Ralph Krueger is focused on increasing Saints commercial revenues. However, that's hard to do without first achieving success on the pitch. Chicken and egg!)

The upshot is that the cartel of the Big clubs will be perpetuated and a smaller club will find it virtually impossible to break into the cartel. Even if Saints were taken over by an Arab or Chinese multi-billionaire willing to pump in hundreds of millions of pounds, the FFP would restrict the signing of high wage earning players to make the break-through.

So the Big 6 will go from strength to strength while the other clubs will have to settle for mid-table mediocrity, as a minimum avoiding relegation and at best regarding a top 8 finish as a great success.

So, fellow Saints fans, let's just accept our plight and support the team we love. Let's be honest, thanks to St Markus, we are in far better shape now than we were 5 years ago. We could have become a Poopey! Let's be grateful for the success of the last 5 years and be positive about the future despite the inevitable limitations imposed on us.

COYR
How about a bit of real investigative journalism (for a change) from the Echo about the impact of the Premier League's Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules on smaller clubs like Saints? Although it's hard to retain top players who want to play in Europe, it's now impossible to meet their high wage demands too. Under FFP Saints are severely restricted in the amount they can increase their total wage bill year on year with the result that they cannot go anywhere near meeting the levels of wages demanded by the best players. Although the FFP are mainly designed to stop clubs from going bust, they also serve to maintain the status quo whereby the 'Big' clubs can continue to pay high (though not ever increasingly exhorbitant) wages while the smaller clubs, like Saints, are stuck with the lower level pay scales. What's more, the Big clubs can increase their commercial revenues (through brand exploitation and pre-season matches in the States!) and TV revenues (by being featured heavily on Sky and now BT Sports). This raises their overall income levels at a faster rate than Saints can hope to achieve and so enables them to increase their wage bills at a faster rate. (It explains why Ralph Krueger is focused on increasing Saints commercial revenues. However, that's hard to do without first achieving success on the pitch. Chicken and egg!) The upshot is that the cartel of the Big clubs will be perpetuated and a smaller club will find it virtually impossible to break into the cartel. Even if Saints were taken over by an Arab or Chinese multi-billionaire willing to pump in hundreds of millions of pounds, the FFP would restrict the signing of high wage earning players to make the break-through. So the Big 6 will go from strength to strength while the other clubs will have to settle for mid-table mediocrity, as a minimum avoiding relegation and at best regarding a top 8 finish as a great success. So, fellow Saints fans, let's just accept our plight and support the team we love. Let's be honest, thanks to St Markus, we are in far better shape now than we were 5 years ago. We could have become a Poopey! Let's be grateful for the success of the last 5 years and be positive about the future despite the inevitable limitations imposed on us. COYR saint Compo
  • Score: 21

11:19am Tue 5 Aug 14

Pooley says...

Don`t celebrate yet. He will completely lose it in Milano for sure. They won`t take him, he`s too unstable.
Don`t celebrate yet. He will completely lose it in Milano for sure. They won`t take him, he`s too unstable. Pooley
  • Score: 5

11:57am Tue 5 Aug 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Good we have got rid for the season, but not so good that we still have not got any money back, £12.9m wasted. Even if he plays well next season he will be another year older so will be lucky to get £2m for him.

Why did Les not offer him as part exchange and be done with him.
Good we have got rid for the season, but not so good that we still have not got any money back, £12.9m wasted. Even if he plays well next season he will be another year older so will be lucky to get £2m for him. Why did Les not offer him as part exchange and be done with him. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 3

12:10pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

White and red till dead wrote:
He's only on loan, he could still come back. Seriously, who would buy him?
Got to love these agents. Appears to me that if you have a good agent you can move anywhere these days. Balotelli is the same - how does he continue to be sought after? Or is he actually sought after? I think it's a case of great salesmanship - create the illusion that your player is somehow desirable and someone will be stupid enough to believe the myth.
[quote][p][bold]White and red till dead[/bold] wrote: He's only on loan, he could still come back. Seriously, who would buy him?[/p][/quote]Got to love these agents. Appears to me that if you have a good agent you can move anywhere these days. Balotelli is the same - how does he continue to be sought after? Or is he actually sought after? I think it's a case of great salesmanship - create the illusion that your player is somehow desirable and someone will be stupid enough to believe the myth. SaintJD
  • Score: 3

12:27pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

I hate him, even before I met him I hated him, you love him compared to how much I hate him.
I hate him, even before I met him I hated him, you love him compared to how much I hate him. Alicesdad
  • Score: 4

12:47pm Tue 5 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Hope he realizes he's drinking in last chance saloon. He says he is determined to get his place back in the Italian side hmmmm, - we'll see.

It's a damned shame really as he had the personality to become a cult figure here but chose to perfect is talent in brawling as opposed to scaring the carp out of premiership keepers.

Gone and forgotten till we get him back at the end of the loan period - just pray he knckles down gets offered a contract there. Reckon Pelle would've kicked his risshole at some point anyway.
Hope he realizes he's drinking in last chance saloon. He says he is determined to get his place back in the Italian side hmmmm, - we'll see. It's a damned shame really as he had the personality to become a cult figure here but chose to perfect is talent in brawling as opposed to scaring the carp out of premiership keepers. Gone and forgotten till we get him back at the end of the loan period - just pray he knckles down gets offered a contract there. Reckon Pelle would've kicked his risshole at some point anyway. jls217
  • Score: 0

12:52pm Tue 5 Aug 14

St.henley says...

Another pochettino flop
Another pochettino flop St.henley
  • Score: 5

1:23pm Tue 5 Aug 14

sarfhamton says...

St.henley wrote:
Another pochettino flop
A good point,

1) Lovern was a good buy but he is injury prone, we were lucky to get that much for him from Liverhampton. A good buy.

2) Wayahma was a let down with Cork and Davis keeping him out.

3) Dani was a let down, 3 goals>=?!
[quote][p][bold]St.henley[/bold] wrote: Another pochettino flop[/p][/quote]A good point, 1) Lovern was a good buy but he is injury prone, we were lucky to get that much for him from Liverhampton. A good buy. 2) Wayahma was a let down with Cork and Davis keeping him out. 3) Dani was a let down, 3 goals>=?! sarfhamton
  • Score: 3

1:56pm Tue 5 Aug 14

BarnetSaint says...

I'm very sceptical about getting anyone from the Italian league.

For every Zola there are 10 osvaldos.
No thanks.
I'm very sceptical about getting anyone from the Italian league. For every Zola there are 10 osvaldos. No thanks. BarnetSaint
  • Score: 0

2:10pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Woolston ollie says...

One less foreigner in Southampton i suppose, so not all bad.
One less foreigner in Southampton i suppose, so not all bad. Woolston ollie
  • Score: -4

2:14pm Tue 5 Aug 14

KSO16R says...

St.henley wrote:
Another pochettino flop
money well and truly siphoned off
[quote][p][bold]St.henley[/bold] wrote: Another pochettino flop[/p][/quote]money well and truly siphoned off KSO16R
  • Score: 0

2:38pm Tue 5 Aug 14

montecristosaint says...

saint Compo wrote:
How about a bit of real investigative journalism (for a change) from the Echo about the impact of the Premier League's Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules on smaller clubs like Saints?

Although it's hard to retain top players who want to play in Europe, it's now impossible to meet their high wage demands too. Under FFP Saints are severely restricted in the amount they can increase their total wage bill year on year with the result that they cannot go anywhere near meeting the levels of wages demanded by the best players.

Although the FFP are mainly designed to stop clubs from going bust, they also serve to maintain the status quo whereby the 'Big' clubs can continue to pay high (though not ever increasingly exhorbitant) wages while the smaller clubs, like Saints, are stuck with the lower level pay scales.

What's more, the Big clubs can increase their commercial revenues (through brand exploitation and pre-season matches in the States!) and TV revenues (by being featured heavily on Sky and now BT Sports). This raises their overall income levels at a faster rate than Saints can hope to achieve and so enables them to increase their wage bills at a faster rate. (It explains why Ralph Krueger is focused on increasing Saints commercial revenues. However, that's hard to do without first achieving success on the pitch. Chicken and egg!)

The upshot is that the cartel of the Big clubs will be perpetuated and a smaller club will find it virtually impossible to break into the cartel. Even if Saints were taken over by an Arab or Chinese multi-billionaire willing to pump in hundreds of millions of pounds, the FFP would restrict the signing of high wage earning players to make the break-through.

So the Big 6 will go from strength to strength while the other clubs will have to settle for mid-table mediocrity, as a minimum avoiding relegation and at best regarding a top 8 finish as a great success.

So, fellow Saints fans, let's just accept our plight and support the team we love. Let's be honest, thanks to St Markus, we are in far better shape now than we were 5 years ago. We could have become a Poopey! Let's be grateful for the success of the last 5 years and be positive about the future despite the inevitable limitations imposed on us.

COYR
For the love of god read the FFP rules correctly instead of just scanning them. There is nothing to suggest that any club cannot increase wages thats the first point. What is not permitted is for a club to live outside its means, but if the club s income rises by whatever means, INCLUDING THROUGH THE SALE OF PLAYERS then there is nothing to stop a club from increasing salaries accordingly as the rules are NOT designed to prevent a club s growth, In Saints case, having earned an additional 92 million through player sales the club s income will adjust accordingly.
However , it very much depends what Liebherr s intentions are. My belief is that she intends to sell the club and will want to do so before the club has to produce accounts for the current financial year as there is a potentially large tax liability involved because of the fire sale of players.
[quote][p][bold]saint Compo[/bold] wrote: How about a bit of real investigative journalism (for a change) from the Echo about the impact of the Premier League's Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules on smaller clubs like Saints? Although it's hard to retain top players who want to play in Europe, it's now impossible to meet their high wage demands too. Under FFP Saints are severely restricted in the amount they can increase their total wage bill year on year with the result that they cannot go anywhere near meeting the levels of wages demanded by the best players. Although the FFP are mainly designed to stop clubs from going bust, they also serve to maintain the status quo whereby the 'Big' clubs can continue to pay high (though not ever increasingly exhorbitant) wages while the smaller clubs, like Saints, are stuck with the lower level pay scales. What's more, the Big clubs can increase their commercial revenues (through brand exploitation and pre-season matches in the States!) and TV revenues (by being featured heavily on Sky and now BT Sports). This raises their overall income levels at a faster rate than Saints can hope to achieve and so enables them to increase their wage bills at a faster rate. (It explains why Ralph Krueger is focused on increasing Saints commercial revenues. However, that's hard to do without first achieving success on the pitch. Chicken and egg!) The upshot is that the cartel of the Big clubs will be perpetuated and a smaller club will find it virtually impossible to break into the cartel. Even if Saints were taken over by an Arab or Chinese multi-billionaire willing to pump in hundreds of millions of pounds, the FFP would restrict the signing of high wage earning players to make the break-through. So the Big 6 will go from strength to strength while the other clubs will have to settle for mid-table mediocrity, as a minimum avoiding relegation and at best regarding a top 8 finish as a great success. So, fellow Saints fans, let's just accept our plight and support the team we love. Let's be honest, thanks to St Markus, we are in far better shape now than we were 5 years ago. We could have become a Poopey! Let's be grateful for the success of the last 5 years and be positive about the future despite the inevitable limitations imposed on us. COYR[/p][/quote]For the love of god read the FFP rules correctly instead of just scanning them. There is nothing to suggest that any club cannot increase wages thats the first point. What is not permitted is for a club to live outside its means, but if the club s income rises by whatever means, INCLUDING THROUGH THE SALE OF PLAYERS then there is nothing to stop a club from increasing salaries accordingly as the rules are NOT designed to prevent a club s growth, In Saints case, having earned an additional 92 million through player sales the club s income will adjust accordingly. However , it very much depends what Liebherr s intentions are. My belief is that she intends to sell the club and will want to do so before the club has to produce accounts for the current financial year as there is a potentially large tax liability involved because of the fire sale of players. montecristosaint
  • Score: -5

4:27pm Tue 5 Aug 14

mickey01 says...

Now if Les reed were to follow him i would really celebrate
Now if Les reed were to follow him i would really celebrate mickey01
  • Score: -2

6:15pm Tue 5 Aug 14

RealTlk says...

montecristosaint wrote:
saint Compo wrote:
How about a bit of real investigative journalism (for a change) from the Echo about the impact of the Premier League's Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules on smaller clubs like Saints?

Although it's hard to retain top players who want to play in Europe, it's now impossible to meet their high wage demands too. Under FFP Saints are severely restricted in the amount they can increase their total wage bill year on year with the result that they cannot go anywhere near meeting the levels of wages demanded by the best players.

Although the FFP are mainly designed to stop clubs from going bust, they also serve to maintain the status quo whereby the 'Big' clubs can continue to pay high (though not ever increasingly exhorbitant) wages while the smaller clubs, like Saints, are stuck with the lower level pay scales.

What's more, the Big clubs can increase their commercial revenues (through brand exploitation and pre-season matches in the States!) and TV revenues (by being featured heavily on Sky and now BT Sports). This raises their overall income levels at a faster rate than Saints can hope to achieve and so enables them to increase their wage bills at a faster rate. (It explains why Ralph Krueger is focused on increasing Saints commercial revenues. However, that's hard to do without first achieving success on the pitch. Chicken and egg!)

The upshot is that the cartel of the Big clubs will be perpetuated and a smaller club will find it virtually impossible to break into the cartel. Even if Saints were taken over by an Arab or Chinese multi-billionaire willing to pump in hundreds of millions of pounds, the FFP would restrict the signing of high wage earning players to make the break-through.

So the Big 6 will go from strength to strength while the other clubs will have to settle for mid-table mediocrity, as a minimum avoiding relegation and at best regarding a top 8 finish as a great success.

So, fellow Saints fans, let's just accept our plight and support the team we love. Let's be honest, thanks to St Markus, we are in far better shape now than we were 5 years ago. We could have become a Poopey! Let's be grateful for the success of the last 5 years and be positive about the future despite the inevitable limitations imposed on us.

COYR
For the love of god read the FFP rules correctly instead of just scanning them. There is nothing to suggest that any club cannot increase wages thats the first point. What is not permitted is for a club to live outside its means, but if the club s income rises by whatever means, INCLUDING THROUGH THE SALE OF PLAYERS then there is nothing to stop a club from increasing salaries accordingly as the rules are NOT designed to prevent a club s growth, In Saints case, having earned an additional 92 million through player sales the club s income will adjust accordingly.
However , it very much depends what Liebherr s intentions are. My belief is that she intends to sell the club and will want to do so before the club has to produce accounts for the current financial year as there is a potentially large tax liability involved because of the fire sale of players.
You need to look at the ffp rules properly it clearly states that no team can increase there wage by more than 4% of there income in any season. so if we offered the players that left the same money the 'big' clubs offered we would have increased our wage bill by more than 4% also if we didn't sell the players there wouldn't have even been the revenue increase you mention so it is impossible and anyone who thinks otherwise need to look into it further also as you mention are revenues have increased allowing us to NOW have a bigger wage bill with players that are far cheaper then those leaving meaning we can have a better squad of players
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint Compo[/bold] wrote: How about a bit of real investigative journalism (for a change) from the Echo about the impact of the Premier League's Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules on smaller clubs like Saints? Although it's hard to retain top players who want to play in Europe, it's now impossible to meet their high wage demands too. Under FFP Saints are severely restricted in the amount they can increase their total wage bill year on year with the result that they cannot go anywhere near meeting the levels of wages demanded by the best players. Although the FFP are mainly designed to stop clubs from going bust, they also serve to maintain the status quo whereby the 'Big' clubs can continue to pay high (though not ever increasingly exhorbitant) wages while the smaller clubs, like Saints, are stuck with the lower level pay scales. What's more, the Big clubs can increase their commercial revenues (through brand exploitation and pre-season matches in the States!) and TV revenues (by being featured heavily on Sky and now BT Sports). This raises their overall income levels at a faster rate than Saints can hope to achieve and so enables them to increase their wage bills at a faster rate. (It explains why Ralph Krueger is focused on increasing Saints commercial revenues. However, that's hard to do without first achieving success on the pitch. Chicken and egg!) The upshot is that the cartel of the Big clubs will be perpetuated and a smaller club will find it virtually impossible to break into the cartel. Even if Saints were taken over by an Arab or Chinese multi-billionaire willing to pump in hundreds of millions of pounds, the FFP would restrict the signing of high wage earning players to make the break-through. So the Big 6 will go from strength to strength while the other clubs will have to settle for mid-table mediocrity, as a minimum avoiding relegation and at best regarding a top 8 finish as a great success. So, fellow Saints fans, let's just accept our plight and support the team we love. Let's be honest, thanks to St Markus, we are in far better shape now than we were 5 years ago. We could have become a Poopey! Let's be grateful for the success of the last 5 years and be positive about the future despite the inevitable limitations imposed on us. COYR[/p][/quote]For the love of god read the FFP rules correctly instead of just scanning them. There is nothing to suggest that any club cannot increase wages thats the first point. What is not permitted is for a club to live outside its means, but if the club s income rises by whatever means, INCLUDING THROUGH THE SALE OF PLAYERS then there is nothing to stop a club from increasing salaries accordingly as the rules are NOT designed to prevent a club s growth, In Saints case, having earned an additional 92 million through player sales the club s income will adjust accordingly. However , it very much depends what Liebherr s intentions are. My belief is that she intends to sell the club and will want to do so before the club has to produce accounts for the current financial year as there is a potentially large tax liability involved because of the fire sale of players.[/p][/quote]You need to look at the ffp rules properly it clearly states that no team can increase there wage by more than 4% of there income in any season. so if we offered the players that left the same money the 'big' clubs offered we would have increased our wage bill by more than 4% also if we didn't sell the players there wouldn't have even been the revenue increase you mention so it is impossible and anyone who thinks otherwise need to look into it further also as you mention are revenues have increased allowing us to NOW have a bigger wage bill with players that are far cheaper then those leaving meaning we can have a better squad of players RealTlk
  • Score: 0

6:25pm Tue 5 Aug 14

RealTlk says...

Why do you think cortese voted against ffp and then ran when the ruling came into force because he knew he was going to look a fool for promising the world to the players when his hands where now tied and our dream had become the impossible not corteses Gaul or katrinas us saints fans are always looking for scape goat the main reason we can't offer bigger wages is because not enough of our fans buy season tickets merchandise etc. instead of complaining about it the only way to change it is to put your hand in your pocket support our club passionately every week get behind everyone at the club instead of being pessimists all the time. If you want to blame anyone blame ourselves the fans of this club for losing our passion and support we had at the dell prime example being that on a match day there is only 3-5000 fans singing that's Not even a quarter of our capacity st Mary's is not a place that inspires players any more which is why we get idiots like lovren/Lala going to scousehampton no coincidence they both point out the atmosphere and passion of there fans. I hate to slate our own supporters but someone has to be sensible and look at the truth
Why do you think cortese voted against ffp and then ran when the ruling came into force because he knew he was going to look a fool for promising the world to the players when his hands where now tied and our dream had become the impossible not corteses Gaul or katrinas us saints fans are always looking for scape goat the main reason we can't offer bigger wages is because not enough of our fans buy season tickets merchandise etc. instead of complaining about it the only way to change it is to put your hand in your pocket support our club passionately every week get behind everyone at the club instead of being pessimists all the time. If you want to blame anyone blame ourselves the fans of this club for losing our passion and support we had at the dell prime example being that on a match day there is only 3-5000 fans singing that's Not even a quarter of our capacity st Mary's is not a place that inspires players any more which is why we get idiots like lovren/Lala going to scousehampton no coincidence they both point out the atmosphere and passion of there fans. I hate to slate our own supporters but someone has to be sensible and look at the truth RealTlk
  • Score: -1

6:55pm Tue 5 Aug 14

lastminmoran says...

like a shirt you buy to wear on your holiday's it looks the part-bring it home-oh dear!!!!!its funny how looking like a film star makes fools of us all.....dani the wizard of oz was the guy who worked down the chip shop swearing blind he was a batistuta,when in reality he was eye candy for a girls night out. NOW LOSING CHAMBERS...THAT DOES HURT!
like a shirt you buy to wear on your holiday's it looks the part-bring it home-oh dear!!!!!its funny how looking like a film star makes fools of us all.....dani the wizard of oz was the guy who worked down the chip shop swearing blind he was a batistuta,when in reality he was eye candy for a girls night out. NOW LOSING CHAMBERS...THAT DOES HURT! lastminmoran
  • Score: 0

10:45pm Tue 5 Aug 14

techsture says...

I dont feel I can make a judgement until I know what Gordon Watson thinks of the whole episode.
I dont feel I can make a judgement until I know what Gordon Watson thinks of the whole episode. techsture
  • Score: 0

9:44pm Wed 6 Aug 14

legh_langston says...

And yet that goal against Manchester City was real class!
A genius is often a complex character - a shame we only got his problems.
And yet that goal against Manchester City was real class! A genius is often a complex character - a shame we only got his problems. legh_langston
  • Score: 0

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