Southampton chairman Ralph Krueger says executive director Les Reed is doing an outstanding job, and says the club is in a healthier position now

Saints executive director Les Reed

Ralph Krueger

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Saints chairman Ralph Krueger has issued a glowing endorsement of the work being conducted by Les Reed, and has said any criticism of the club’s executive director is unwarranted.

Reed emerged as the key decision maker on football matters at St Mary’s following Nicola Cortese’s departure last January and he has overseen a challenging summer, featuring five major player sales, as well as the loss of a manager and the appointment of a new one.

Reed has been criticised at times, but Krueger believes the 61-year-old, along with owner Katharina Liebherr, has proved pivotal to the club’s success.

“Les Reed is for me, purely football, the main reason why, combined with Katharina, the Saints are where they are today,” Krueger said in an interview with the Daily Echo, adding that Reed is doing an "outstanding" job.

Reed was appointed in 2010 to oversee what was known as the football development and support centre, which encompassed areas such as the academy, scouting and recruitment, and sports science.

He has since risen to a position on the board, with Krueger saying he has taken many “critical decisions” along the way that have made a positive difference, claiming that, in one example, he helped prevent an even earlier exit for Luke Shaw.

“People might not like the fact that Luke Shaw was sold, but the only reason for me Luke Shaw was still here was because of Les Reed,” said Krueger.

“I know the way that developed and I know what happened, speaking also to the parents and agents that were involved, that Luke Shaw wouldn’t have been here without Les Reed.

“You can say ‘I’m not happy that Luke Shaw was sold this summer’, but Luke Shaw might have been gone two years ago if it wasn’t for Les.”

Krueger added: “I think any criticism of him right now is completely out of context.”

Reed also led the search for Ronald Koeman, who arrived this summer as the replacement for Mauricio Pochettino, following the Argentine’s departure for Tottenham.

Krueger believes the Dutchman is proving to be an ideal appointment, saying he does not simply view Saints as a stepping stone – an accusation that could perhaps have been levelled at his predecessor.

“Ronald came in and fit the bill as far as embracing what was already here, and he also brought the personality we needed, and the long-term vision,” said Krueger.

“We needed to find somebody who was going to say ‘I don’t need for my ego, or my profession, or whatever other reasons, to just see Southampton as a stepping stone.’

“I think Ronald has shown that he is here to make a difference and do something different long-term and truly build something.”

While Krueger is encouraged by the direction the club is taking on the pitch, he also says great work has gone on behind the scenes since the new regime came in.

“I think, more than anything, the overall culture and the overall infrastructure of the management level of the organisation was not in a healthy place,” he said.

Krueger added: “All the changes that were made off the pitch were strong and solid changes for the sustainability of the club.

“We built and really nurtured a very strong executive board level that didn’t exist before.”

Krueger said that, even aside from revenue gained via player sales, the club is in a “good” position financially, with the new board having previously described the situation as “difficult”, following the training ground revamp going over budget and £27m having remained in outstanding transfer fees.

He hopes supporters will come to see the benefits of what is being done.

“I think the fans should get excited about the fact we are building something here that has a long-term future,” he said.

“I think they should also be excited that we’re doing everything possible to make sure this is the only summer they experience like this.

“I don’t like to make promises. I’m not going to sit here and say trust us – we want to earn that.

“But just enjoy the process and believe in one thing – the Saints organisation has an owner that is passionate, loves the team, loves the people and loves what her father passed on to her, and that love is being passed right through the organisation.

“We only have people here now who are here for the right reason. If any changes have been made in the club, they were because possibly people weren’t here for the right reasons, and that’s something important for people to know.”

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11:06pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Buddy SFC says...

Class !

Something many posters on here this Summer, simply haven't got !
Class ! Something many posters on here this Summer, simply haven't got ! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 89

11:09pm Tue 5 Aug 14

InCortesewetrust says...

Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did, InCortesewetrust
  • Score: -134

11:11pm Tue 5 Aug 14

tarquin farquharson says...

“Les Reed is for me, purely football, the main reason why, combined with Katharina, the Saints are where they are today,” Krueger said

I couldn't have said it better myself but doubt very much whether he would have 'got' my irony.
“Les Reed is for me, purely football, the main reason why, combined with Katharina, the Saints are where they are today,” Krueger said I couldn't have said it better myself but doubt very much whether he would have 'got' my irony. tarquin farquharson
  • Score: -40

11:11pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Hail Les! Hail!

Amazing.
Hail Les! Hail! Amazing. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -20

11:12pm Tue 5 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

The stage is set, I can see that this will be a very active thread.....
The stage is set, I can see that this will be a very active thread..... KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 16

11:13pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Sammy2sheds says...

All hot air
Les reed and Ralph have sold our future
All hot air Les reed and Ralph have sold our future Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -20

11:16pm Tue 5 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

“You can say ‘I’m not happy that Luke Shaw was sold this summer’, but Luke Shaw might have been gone two years ago if it wasn’t for Les.”

For me the only sale which didn't make much financial sense was Chambers, given his reported ability to play at CB and RB.
“You can say ‘I’m not happy that Luke Shaw was sold this summer’, but Luke Shaw might have been gone two years ago if it wasn’t for Les.” For me the only sale which didn't make much financial sense was Chambers, given his reported ability to play at CB and RB. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 62

11:17pm Tue 5 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
Class !

Something many posters on here this Summer, simply haven't got !
Spot on, if that doesn't tell you all you need to know about where NC was taking this great club then FFS open your eyes.

We might have a more difficult season than last but under these guys the long term future will be much more secure.

Now let's just wait for the prophets of doom to rubbish everything in the article.
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: Class ! Something many posters on here this Summer, simply haven't got ![/p][/quote]Spot on, if that doesn't tell you all you need to know about where NC was taking this great club then FFS open your eyes. We might have a more difficult season than last but under these guys the long term future will be much more secure. Now let's just wait for the prophets of doom to rubbish everything in the article. fascia123
  • Score: 68

11:17pm Tue 5 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Someone shut the dunnies doors
Someone shut the dunnies doors J7junctionseven
  • Score: -30

11:17pm Tue 5 Aug 14

buckie says...

i realise im cynical but are season ticket sales down? seems like king Ralph is making all sorts of noises trying to defend the indefensible with regard to the player sales and non arrivals of new players as Koeman intimated would be finalised over the weekend i realise those in power will not take a blind bit of notice of these threads they should do though as season tickets holders are not fans but customers pretty please can we get some defensive players in we have lost the most promising left back in a generation replaced him with a free transfer also lost the best central defender since Dean Richards only my opinion RIP Deano
i realise im cynical but are season ticket sales down? seems like king Ralph is making all sorts of noises trying to defend the indefensible with regard to the player sales and non arrivals of new players as Koeman intimated would be finalised over the weekend i realise those in power will not take a blind bit of notice of these threads they should do though as season tickets holders are not fans but customers pretty please can we get some defensive players in we have lost the most promising left back in a generation replaced him with a free transfer also lost the best central defender since Dean Richards only my opinion RIP Deano buckie
  • Score: -30

11:18pm Tue 5 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

MORE LIES - Stop peddling rubbish Krueger. You have not shown STRONG LEADERSHIP.

BASIC MISTAKES have been made. OWN UP.

You are Propping up the current regime and try to COVER YOUR OWN MISTAKES. LES IMPROVE or PACK YOUR BAGS !!

The BOOKIES have slashed odds on Relegation as the SPINE has been ripped out of the Team - THAT IS NOT A HEALTHY POSITION.

BUY A CB - Additional Number 1 Keeper - and Cover for Top Striker instead of feeding LOYAL SAINTS FANS your Canadian bull**** COYR+WS
MORE LIES - Stop peddling rubbish Krueger. You have not shown STRONG LEADERSHIP. BASIC MISTAKES have been made. OWN UP. You are Propping up the current regime and try to COVER YOUR OWN MISTAKES. LES IMPROVE or PACK YOUR BAGS !! The BOOKIES have slashed odds on Relegation as the SPINE has been ripped out of the Team - THAT IS NOT A HEALTHY POSITION. BUY A CB - Additional Number 1 Keeper - and Cover for Top Striker instead of feeding LOYAL SAINTS FANS your Canadian bull**** COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -98

11:20pm Tue 5 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling.
[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling. fascia123
  • Score: 13

11:22pm Tue 5 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

buckie wrote:
i realise im cynical but are season ticket sales down? seems like king Ralph is making all sorts of noises trying to defend the indefensible with regard to the player sales and non arrivals of new players as Koeman intimated would be finalised over the weekend i realise those in power will not take a blind bit of notice of these threads they should do though as season tickets holders are not fans but customers pretty please can we get some defensive players in we have lost the most promising left back in a generation replaced him with a free transfer also lost the best central defender since Dean Richards only my opinion RIP Deano
Season Ticket Sales are down - young Saints Fans are switching off - Players have been sold in a rush - and very slow to sign.

KING RON KOEMAN looks like a man to deliver - but he cannot work miracles.

There is NO SUCH TERM as king Ralph and on current performance there never will be ...

LES and RALPH should hang their heads in shame and accept a share of the responsibility for brining this Club into CRISIS.
COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]buckie[/bold] wrote: i realise im cynical but are season ticket sales down? seems like king Ralph is making all sorts of noises trying to defend the indefensible with regard to the player sales and non arrivals of new players as Koeman intimated would be finalised over the weekend i realise those in power will not take a blind bit of notice of these threads they should do though as season tickets holders are not fans but customers pretty please can we get some defensive players in we have lost the most promising left back in a generation replaced him with a free transfer also lost the best central defender since Dean Richards only my opinion RIP Deano[/p][/quote]Season Ticket Sales are down - young Saints Fans are switching off - Players have been sold in a rush - and very slow to sign. KING RON KOEMAN looks like a man to deliver - but he cannot work miracles. There is NO SUCH TERM as king Ralph and on current performance there never will be ... LES and RALPH should hang their heads in shame and accept a share of the responsibility for brining this Club into CRISIS. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -64

11:22pm Tue 5 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

fascia123 wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling.
Only took 12 posts to descend into insults.... is that some kind of record?
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling.[/p][/quote]Only took 12 posts to descend into insults.... is that some kind of record? KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 30

11:23pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Saintsincethe60s says...

Give them a chance, let the poseurs who think they are too good for us go, decide at the end of the transfer window and again at the end of the season.
Even if we do not do so well this season as last, i'm sure it will be better next.

Don't forget this year you will have got rid of all of the inside influences that want to destroy the club, the poisoned argie and his mate perhaps?
Give them a chance, let the poseurs who think they are too good for us go, decide at the end of the transfer window and again at the end of the season. Even if we do not do so well this season as last, i'm sure it will be better next. Don't forget this year you will have got rid of all of the inside influences that want to destroy the club, the poisoned argie and his mate perhaps? Saintsincethe60s
  • Score: 52

11:24pm Tue 5 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Signings must nearly be ready to go public then......?????????
Must be tomorrow... ?????
Signings must nearly be ready to go public then......????????? Must be tomorrow... ????? J7junctionseven
  • Score: 12

11:28pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling.
Only took 12 posts to descend into insults.... is that some kind of record?
It's going to kick right off!

One Les Reed
There's only one Les Reed
One Lessss Reeeed.....
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling.[/p][/quote]Only took 12 posts to descend into insults.... is that some kind of record?[/p][/quote]It's going to kick right off! One Les Reed There's only one Les Reed One Lessss Reeeed..... Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -1

11:29pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Kernowsaints says...

sahir taider has completed his medical and signed tonight announcement early tomorrow
sahir taider has completed his medical and signed tonight announcement early tomorrow Kernowsaints
  • Score: 27

11:29pm Tue 5 Aug 14

nomorerumours says...

A really impressive interview by our Chairman on Talk Sport this evening. He went quite a bit further than he did in his last interview and made things extremely clear. He not only re-confirmed that we will not be selling Morg and JayRod but also gave a greater insight into the recent events. I have never stopped believing in our board and our club's great ambition. Business deals have to be done in secret and the media have got so much about us completely wrong. It has made many Saints fans question their faith but it will be fully restored very soon. Like Ralph, I believe that we will finish in the top 8 again this season. There are a whole host of deals to be completed in the next few days. I expect it will take longer for some of the ultra negative fans to start to believe again but they will come around quickly when they see our team against Liverpool and our full, stronger than last season, squad by the end of the transfer window. Ralph did not have to speak again but he did and this was directly aimed at reassuring Saints fans. You will not have to be patient very much longer. Exciting times ahead!!!
A really impressive interview by our Chairman on Talk Sport this evening. He went quite a bit further than he did in his last interview and made things extremely clear. He not only re-confirmed that we will not be selling Morg and JayRod but also gave a greater insight into the recent events. I have never stopped believing in our board and our club's great ambition. Business deals have to be done in secret and the media have got so much about us completely wrong. It has made many Saints fans question their faith but it will be fully restored very soon. Like Ralph, I believe that we will finish in the top 8 again this season. There are a whole host of deals to be completed in the next few days. I expect it will take longer for some of the ultra negative fans to start to believe again but they will come around quickly when they see our team against Liverpool and our full, stronger than last season, squad by the end of the transfer window. Ralph did not have to speak again but he did and this was directly aimed at reassuring Saints fans. You will not have to be patient very much longer. Exciting times ahead!!! nomorerumours
  • Score: 88

11:31pm Tue 5 Aug 14

yellowcard says...

I have more faith in these 2 than i did in that money grabbing banker cortese. Bankers ruined our country financially he would of ruined our club the same way. Especially now there will be no more money coming out of kats bank
I have more faith in these 2 than i did in that money grabbing banker cortese. Bankers ruined our country financially he would of ruined our club the same way. Especially now there will be no more money coming out of kats bank yellowcard
  • Score: 56

11:31pm Tue 5 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling.
Only took 12 posts to descend into insults.... is that some kind of record?
The board must feel damned if they do and damned if they don't.

A couple of days pass with no news and they are accused of a lack of transparency, planning to sell the club, skimming all the cash off, etc etc, then when they do go to press they are immediately accused of all sorts of lies.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling.[/p][/quote]Only took 12 posts to descend into insults.... is that some kind of record?[/p][/quote]The board must feel damned if they do and damned if they don't. A couple of days pass with no news and they are accused of a lack of transparency, planning to sell the club, skimming all the cash off, etc etc, then when they do go to press they are immediately accused of all sorts of lies. fascia123
  • Score: 53

11:33pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Jesus_02 says...

i guess that we should be greatful to Les that Luke didn't leave when he was 16 ...? Sorry Ralf... It doesn't add up. It just sounds like lies. I hope I'm wrong, I really do, but I'm finding it hard to trust you for some reason. All I can see is that we have lost 5 key players and brought in more members of the board! Unless Ralf is a secret centre half I think we are going to struggle!
i guess that we should be greatful to Les that Luke didn't leave when he was 16 ...? Sorry Ralf... It doesn't add up. It just sounds like lies. I hope I'm wrong, I really do, but I'm finding it hard to trust you for some reason. All I can see is that we have lost 5 key players and brought in more members of the board! Unless Ralf is a secret centre half I think we are going to struggle! Jesus_02
  • Score: -53

11:33pm Tue 5 Aug 14

InCortesewetrust says...

fascia123 wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling.
I know it's late but seriously pull your head out your arse and read it again, don't try to be clever you only look stupid! Is a iceberg referred to as a he? Or was in referring to the iceberg as that? I think you are the class clown who didn't do quite as well as you think you did, or are you still at school?
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling.[/p][/quote]I know it's late but seriously pull your head out your arse and read it again, don't try to be clever you only look stupid! Is a iceberg referred to as a he? Or was in referring to the iceberg as that? I think you are the class clown who didn't do quite as well as you think you did, or are you still at school? InCortesewetrust
  • Score: -24

11:34pm Tue 5 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Saintsincethe60s wrote:
Give them a chance, let the poseurs who think they are too good for us go, decide at the end of the transfer window and again at the end of the season.
Even if we do not do so well this season as last, i'm sure it will be better next.

Don't forget this year you will have got rid of all of the inside influences that want to destroy the club, the poisoned argie and his mate perhaps?
Agreed
[quote][p][bold]Saintsincethe60s[/bold] wrote: Give them a chance, let the poseurs who think they are too good for us go, decide at the end of the transfer window and again at the end of the season. Even if we do not do so well this season as last, i'm sure it will be better next. Don't forget this year you will have got rid of all of the inside influences that want to destroy the club, the poisoned argie and his mate perhaps?[/p][/quote]Agreed fascia123
  • Score: 16

11:35pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

nomorerumours wrote:
A really impressive interview by our Chairman on Talk Sport this evening. He went quite a bit further than he did in his last interview and made things extremely clear. He not only re-confirmed that we will not be selling Morg and JayRod but also gave a greater insight into the recent events. I have never stopped believing in our board and our club's great ambition. Business deals have to be done in secret and the media have got so much about us completely wrong. It has made many Saints fans question their faith but it will be fully restored very soon. Like Ralph, I believe that we will finish in the top 8 again this season. There are a whole host of deals to be completed in the next few days. I expect it will take longer for some of the ultra negative fans to start to believe again but they will come around quickly when they see our team against Liverpool and our full, stronger than last season, squad by the end of the transfer window. Ralph did not have to speak again but he did and this was directly aimed at reassuring Saints fans. You will not have to be patient very much longer. Exciting times ahead!!!
Fairplay mush. Hope you're right!
[quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: A really impressive interview by our Chairman on Talk Sport this evening. He went quite a bit further than he did in his last interview and made things extremely clear. He not only re-confirmed that we will not be selling Morg and JayRod but also gave a greater insight into the recent events. I have never stopped believing in our board and our club's great ambition. Business deals have to be done in secret and the media have got so much about us completely wrong. It has made many Saints fans question their faith but it will be fully restored very soon. Like Ralph, I believe that we will finish in the top 8 again this season. There are a whole host of deals to be completed in the next few days. I expect it will take longer for some of the ultra negative fans to start to believe again but they will come around quickly when they see our team against Liverpool and our full, stronger than last season, squad by the end of the transfer window. Ralph did not have to speak again but he did and this was directly aimed at reassuring Saints fans. You will not have to be patient very much longer. Exciting times ahead!!![/p][/quote]Fairplay mush. Hope you're right! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 28

11:35pm Tue 5 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Kernowsaints wrote:
sahir taider has completed his medical and signed tonight announcement early tomorrow
Is that right?

That would be good news.
[quote][p][bold]Kernowsaints[/bold] wrote: sahir taider has completed his medical and signed tonight announcement early tomorrow[/p][/quote]Is that right? That would be good news. fascia123
  • Score: 9

11:41pm Tue 5 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

nomorerumours wrote:
A really impressive interview by our Chairman on Talk Sport this evening. He went quite a bit further than he did in his last interview and made things extremely clear. He not only re-confirmed that we will not be selling Morg and JayRod but also gave a greater insight into the recent events. I have never stopped believing in our board and our club's great ambition. Business deals have to be done in secret and the media have got so much about us completely wrong. It has made many Saints fans question their faith but it will be fully restored very soon. Like Ralph, I believe that we will finish in the top 8 again this season. There are a whole host of deals to be completed in the next few days. I expect it will take longer for some of the ultra negative fans to start to believe again but they will come around quickly when they see our team against Liverpool and our full, stronger than last season, squad by the end of the transfer window. Ralph did not have to speak again but he did and this was directly aimed at reassuring Saints fans. You will not have to be patient very much longer. Exciting times ahead!!!
Didn't hear the talk sport interview, I am glad he came across well, I truly believe that all the pain of the last few months will make us a stronger club for years to come.

Great news, fingers crossed for the signings as well.
[quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: A really impressive interview by our Chairman on Talk Sport this evening. He went quite a bit further than he did in his last interview and made things extremely clear. He not only re-confirmed that we will not be selling Morg and JayRod but also gave a greater insight into the recent events. I have never stopped believing in our board and our club's great ambition. Business deals have to be done in secret and the media have got so much about us completely wrong. It has made many Saints fans question their faith but it will be fully restored very soon. Like Ralph, I believe that we will finish in the top 8 again this season. There are a whole host of deals to be completed in the next few days. I expect it will take longer for some of the ultra negative fans to start to believe again but they will come around quickly when they see our team against Liverpool and our full, stronger than last season, squad by the end of the transfer window. Ralph did not have to speak again but he did and this was directly aimed at reassuring Saints fans. You will not have to be patient very much longer. Exciting times ahead!!![/p][/quote]Didn't hear the talk sport interview, I am glad he came across well, I truly believe that all the pain of the last few months will make us a stronger club for years to come. Great news, fingers crossed for the signings as well. fascia123
  • Score: 24

11:43pm Tue 5 Aug 14

yellowcard says...

fascia123 wrote:
Kernowsaints wrote:
sahir taider has completed his medical and signed tonight announcement early tomorrow
Is that right?

That would be good news.
Some would disagree as they are just loan signings and we have not spent the remaining £78million on a marquee signing
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kernowsaints[/bold] wrote: sahir taider has completed his medical and signed tonight announcement early tomorrow[/p][/quote]Is that right? That would be good news.[/p][/quote]Some would disagree as they are just loan signings and we have not spent the remaining £78million on a marquee signing yellowcard
  • Score: -19

11:44pm Tue 5 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

fascia123 wrote:
Kernowsaints wrote:
sahir taider has completed his medical and signed tonight announcement early tomorrow
Is that right?

That would be good news.
It would be GOOD NEWS .... and currently Saints Fans are starved of any good news.

Just because RK has spoken - a long time after he should have been communicating - don't cling onto FALSE HOPE.

DELIVER THIS WEEK RALPH and LES ..... OR Admit you are a waste of space - the job in football is too BIG for you and resign.

After the FIGHT from League One - the FAIR CITY OF SOUTHAMPTON does not do average ...

SHOULD BE AIMING FOR 5th or 6th in the PREM - A WEMBLEY APPEARANCE - AND EUROPEAN FOOTBALL..

SHOULD BE Talking to the Owner about Stadum Extension and a Medium Term aim of a Larger Stadium ..

SHOULD BE DEVELOPING the North American Market.....

THAT IS THE MESSAGE that SFC is in healthier place - Not bookies slashing the odds massively for THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON to be relegated.

SORT IT FAST RALPH - before a lot of moderate loyal fans turn their back on you and want you GONE !!! COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kernowsaints[/bold] wrote: sahir taider has completed his medical and signed tonight announcement early tomorrow[/p][/quote]Is that right? That would be good news.[/p][/quote]It would be GOOD NEWS .... and currently Saints Fans are starved of any good news. Just because RK has spoken - a long time after he should have been communicating - don't cling onto FALSE HOPE. DELIVER THIS WEEK RALPH and LES ..... OR Admit you are a waste of space - the job in football is too BIG for you and resign. After the FIGHT from League One - the FAIR CITY OF SOUTHAMPTON does not do average ... SHOULD BE AIMING FOR 5th or 6th in the PREM - A WEMBLEY APPEARANCE - AND EUROPEAN FOOTBALL.. SHOULD BE Talking to the Owner about Stadum Extension and a Medium Term aim of a Larger Stadium .. SHOULD BE DEVELOPING the North American Market..... THAT IS THE MESSAGE that SFC is in healthier place - Not bookies slashing the odds massively for THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON to be relegated. SORT IT FAST RALPH - before a lot of moderate loyal fans turn their back on you and want you GONE !!! COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -52

11:45pm Tue 5 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

InCortesewetrust wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling.
I know it's late but seriously pull your head out your arse and read it again, don't try to be clever you only look stupid! Is a iceberg referred to as a he? Or was in referring to the iceberg as that? I think you are the class clown who didn't do quite as well as you think you did, or are you still at school?
Look with a good job a good job???

Get your head out of your **** and put your glasses on.
[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling.[/p][/quote]I know it's late but seriously pull your head out your arse and read it again, don't try to be clever you only look stupid! Is a iceberg referred to as a he? Or was in referring to the iceberg as that? I think you are the class clown who didn't do quite as well as you think you did, or are you still at school?[/p][/quote]Look with a good job a good job??? Get your head out of your **** and put your glasses on. fascia123
  • Score: 0

11:46pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Shareholder says...

One minute you're demanding positives from the Board and the next griping when they give it you. Why don't you try listening instead of shouting? Or do you think being rude is a persuasive form of intellectual discourse?
One minute you're demanding positives from the Board and the next griping when they give it you. Why don't you try listening instead of shouting? Or do you think being rude is a persuasive form of intellectual discourse? Shareholder
  • Score: 48

11:47pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
A really impressive interview by our Chairman on Talk Sport this evening. He went quite a bit further than he did in his last interview and made things extremely clear. He not only re-confirmed that we will not be selling Morg and JayRod but also gave a greater insight into the recent events. I have never stopped believing in our board and our club's great ambition. Business deals have to be done in secret and the media have got so much about us completely wrong. It has made many Saints fans question their faith but it will be fully restored very soon. Like Ralph, I believe that we will finish in the top 8 again this season. There are a whole host of deals to be completed in the next few days. I expect it will take longer for some of the ultra negative fans to start to believe again but they will come around quickly when they see our team against Liverpool and our full, stronger than last season, squad by the end of the transfer window. Ralph did not have to speak again but he did and this was directly aimed at reassuring Saints fans. You will not have to be patient very much longer. Exciting times ahead!!!
Fairplay mush. Hope you're right!
It appears to be a case of "wait and see" now,but I still don't understand why he has waited this long to make a statement that he could have made a fortnight ago saying exactly the same things,but which would have placated the fans.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: A really impressive interview by our Chairman on Talk Sport this evening. He went quite a bit further than he did in his last interview and made things extremely clear. He not only re-confirmed that we will not be selling Morg and JayRod but also gave a greater insight into the recent events. I have never stopped believing in our board and our club's great ambition. Business deals have to be done in secret and the media have got so much about us completely wrong. It has made many Saints fans question their faith but it will be fully restored very soon. Like Ralph, I believe that we will finish in the top 8 again this season. There are a whole host of deals to be completed in the next few days. I expect it will take longer for some of the ultra negative fans to start to believe again but they will come around quickly when they see our team against Liverpool and our full, stronger than last season, squad by the end of the transfer window. Ralph did not have to speak again but he did and this was directly aimed at reassuring Saints fans. You will not have to be patient very much longer. Exciting times ahead!!![/p][/quote]Fairplay mush. Hope you're right![/p][/quote]It appears to be a case of "wait and see" now,but I still don't understand why he has waited this long to make a statement that he could have made a fortnight ago saying exactly the same things,but which would have placated the fans. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

11:49pm Tue 5 Aug 14

damoose says...

How long has he known Les `we have top players and agents banging down our door` Reed?
How long has he known Les `we have top players and agents banging down our door` Reed? damoose
  • Score: -12

11:50pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Invidia says...

I preferred it when you were Osprey.
I preferred it when you were Osprey. Invidia
  • Score: -1

11:51pm Tue 5 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
A really impressive interview by our Chairman on Talk Sport this evening. He went quite a bit further than he did in his last interview and made things extremely clear. He not only re-confirmed that we will not be selling Morg and JayRod but also gave a greater insight into the recent events. I have never stopped believing in our board and our club's great ambition. Business deals have to be done in secret and the media have got so much about us completely wrong. It has made many Saints fans question their faith but it will be fully restored very soon. Like Ralph, I believe that we will finish in the top 8 again this season. There are a whole host of deals to be completed in the next few days. I expect it will take longer for some of the ultra negative fans to start to believe again but they will come around quickly when they see our team against Liverpool and our full, stronger than last season, squad by the end of the transfer window. Ralph did not have to speak again but he did and this was directly aimed at reassuring Saints fans. You will not have to be patient very much longer. Exciting times ahead!!!
Fairplay mush. Hope you're right!
It appears to be a case of "wait and see" now,but I still don't understand why he has waited this long to make a statement that he could have made a fortnight ago saying exactly the same things,but which would have placated the fans.
Perhaps he has been busy, I'm not being comical, just saying that it must be a busy position particularly with the transfer business that hopefully is drawing to a conclusion?
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: A really impressive interview by our Chairman on Talk Sport this evening. He went quite a bit further than he did in his last interview and made things extremely clear. He not only re-confirmed that we will not be selling Morg and JayRod but also gave a greater insight into the recent events. I have never stopped believing in our board and our club's great ambition. Business deals have to be done in secret and the media have got so much about us completely wrong. It has made many Saints fans question their faith but it will be fully restored very soon. Like Ralph, I believe that we will finish in the top 8 again this season. There are a whole host of deals to be completed in the next few days. I expect it will take longer for some of the ultra negative fans to start to believe again but they will come around quickly when they see our team against Liverpool and our full, stronger than last season, squad by the end of the transfer window. Ralph did not have to speak again but he did and this was directly aimed at reassuring Saints fans. You will not have to be patient very much longer. Exciting times ahead!!![/p][/quote]Fairplay mush. Hope you're right![/p][/quote]It appears to be a case of "wait and see" now,but I still don't understand why he has waited this long to make a statement that he could have made a fortnight ago saying exactly the same things,but which would have placated the fans.[/p][/quote]Perhaps he has been busy, I'm not being comical, just saying that it must be a busy position particularly with the transfer business that hopefully is drawing to a conclusion? fascia123
  • Score: 15

11:52pm Tue 5 Aug 14

damoose says...

How long has he known Les `top players and agents are banging down our door` Reed?
How long has he known Les `top players and agents are banging down our door` Reed? damoose
  • Score: -3

11:52pm Tue 5 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

fascia123 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling.
Only took 12 posts to descend into insults.... is that some kind of record?
The board must feel damned if they do and damned if they don't.

A couple of days pass with no news and they are accused of a lack of transparency, planning to sell the club, skimming all the cash off, etc etc, then when they do go to press they are immediately accused of all sorts of lies.
The fact is noone really knows whats going on except them. Everyone's opinion is speculation. Except those which sit on the fence and see how this plays out, the people who wish to be black or white about the situation are left with taking their word for what is happening or not. Purely politics aside I am remaining hopeful that we do well but until we can upgrade on Yoshida and Hooiveld in the defense, and give Pelle and Boruc some quality help in their respective areas also, I fear for the team if one of them where to get injured with what we have right now.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling.[/p][/quote]Only took 12 posts to descend into insults.... is that some kind of record?[/p][/quote]The board must feel damned if they do and damned if they don't. A couple of days pass with no news and they are accused of a lack of transparency, planning to sell the club, skimming all the cash off, etc etc, then when they do go to press they are immediately accused of all sorts of lies.[/p][/quote]The fact is noone really knows whats going on except them. Everyone's opinion is speculation. Except those which sit on the fence and see how this plays out, the people who wish to be black or white about the situation are left with taking their word for what is happening or not. Purely politics aside I am remaining hopeful that we do well but until we can upgrade on Yoshida and Hooiveld in the defense, and give Pelle and Boruc some quality help in their respective areas also, I fear for the team if one of them where to get injured with what we have right now. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 15

11:54pm Tue 5 Aug 14

InCortesewetrust says...

fascia123 wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling.
I know it's late but seriously pull your head out your arse and read it again, don't try to be clever you only look stupid! Is a iceberg referred to as a he? Or was in referring to the iceberg as that? I think you are the class clown who didn't do quite as well as you think you did, or are you still at school?
Look with a good job a good job???

Get your head out of your **** and put your glasses on.
lol an angry idiot, your a funny guy. Yes the iceberg did a good job on the titanic, "look" it's 13,000 feet at the bottom of the ocean, a proper job. Have a good day at school tomorrow, :-D
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling.[/p][/quote]I know it's late but seriously pull your head out your arse and read it again, don't try to be clever you only look stupid! Is a iceberg referred to as a he? Or was in referring to the iceberg as that? I think you are the class clown who didn't do quite as well as you think you did, or are you still at school?[/p][/quote]Look with a good job a good job??? Get your head out of your **** and put your glasses on.[/p][/quote]lol an angry idiot, your a funny guy. Yes the iceberg did a good job on the titanic, "look" it's 13,000 feet at the bottom of the ocean, a proper job. Have a good day at school tomorrow, :-D InCortesewetrust
  • Score: -20

11:55pm Tue 5 Aug 14

DisplacedFan says...

We need to be kind to each other. After all, we all want Saints to do well. I am holding my opinion on the team building for now, but am a little concerned about being fully ready for the first game of the season. We want to be out of the blocks fast and get points on the board early. I want to see us above Spurs early and permanently.
We need to be kind to each other. After all, we all want Saints to do well. I am holding my opinion on the team building for now, but am a little concerned about being fully ready for the first game of the season. We want to be out of the blocks fast and get points on the board early. I want to see us above Spurs early and permanently. DisplacedFan
  • Score: 24

11:56pm Tue 5 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling.
Only took 12 posts to descend into insults.... is that some kind of record?
The board must feel damned if they do and damned if they don't.

A couple of days pass with no news and they are accused of a lack of transparency, planning to sell the club, skimming all the cash off, etc etc, then when they do go to press they are immediately accused of all sorts of lies.
The fact is noone really knows whats going on except them. Everyone's opinion is speculation. Except those which sit on the fence and see how this plays out, the people who wish to be black or white about the situation are left with taking their word for what is happening or not. Purely politics aside I am remaining hopeful that we do well but until we can upgrade on Yoshida and Hooiveld in the defense, and give Pelle and Boruc some quality help in their respective areas also, I fear for the team if one of them where to get injured with what we have right now.
Agreed we do need to strengthen particularly in central defence, but I am hoping mine isn't foolish optimism, I do think the future is bright and am looking forward to Saturday, that will be a good test.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling.[/p][/quote]Only took 12 posts to descend into insults.... is that some kind of record?[/p][/quote]The board must feel damned if they do and damned if they don't. A couple of days pass with no news and they are accused of a lack of transparency, planning to sell the club, skimming all the cash off, etc etc, then when they do go to press they are immediately accused of all sorts of lies.[/p][/quote]The fact is noone really knows whats going on except them. Everyone's opinion is speculation. Except those which sit on the fence and see how this plays out, the people who wish to be black or white about the situation are left with taking their word for what is happening or not. Purely politics aside I am remaining hopeful that we do well but until we can upgrade on Yoshida and Hooiveld in the defense, and give Pelle and Boruc some quality help in their respective areas also, I fear for the team if one of them where to get injured with what we have right now.[/p][/quote]Agreed we do need to strengthen particularly in central defence, but I am hoping mine isn't foolish optimism, I do think the future is bright and am looking forward to Saturday, that will be a good test. fascia123
  • Score: 12

11:57pm Tue 5 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

InCortesewetrust wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling.
I know it's late but seriously pull your head out your arse and read it again, don't try to be clever you only look stupid! Is a iceberg referred to as a he? Or was in referring to the iceberg as that? I think you are the class clown who didn't do quite as well as you think you did, or are you still at school?
Look with a good job a good job???

Get your head out of your **** and put your glasses on.
lol an angry idiot, your a funny guy. Yes the iceberg did a good job on the titanic, "look" it's 13,000 feet at the bottom of the ocean, a proper job. Have a good day at school tomorrow, :-D
:-)
[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling.[/p][/quote]I know it's late but seriously pull your head out your arse and read it again, don't try to be clever you only look stupid! Is a iceberg referred to as a he? Or was in referring to the iceberg as that? I think you are the class clown who didn't do quite as well as you think you did, or are you still at school?[/p][/quote]Look with a good job a good job??? Get your head out of your **** and put your glasses on.[/p][/quote]lol an angry idiot, your a funny guy. Yes the iceberg did a good job on the titanic, "look" it's 13,000 feet at the bottom of the ocean, a proper job. Have a good day at school tomorrow, :-D[/p][/quote]:-) fascia123
  • Score: 3

12:00am Wed 6 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
A really impressive interview by our Chairman on Talk Sport this evening. He went quite a bit further than he did in his last interview and made things extremely clear. He not only re-confirmed that we will not be selling Morg and JayRod but also gave a greater insight into the recent events. I have never stopped believing in our board and our club's great ambition. Business deals have to be done in secret and the media have got so much about us completely wrong. It has made many Saints fans question their faith but it will be fully restored very soon. Like Ralph, I believe that we will finish in the top 8 again this season. There are a whole host of deals to be completed in the next few days. I expect it will take longer for some of the ultra negative fans to start to believe again but they will come around quickly when they see our team against Liverpool and our full, stronger than last season, squad by the end of the transfer window. Ralph did not have to speak again but he did and this was directly aimed at reassuring Saints fans. You will not have to be patient very much longer. Exciting times ahead!!!
Fairplay mush. Hope you're right!
It appears to be a case of "wait and see" now,but I still don't understand why he has waited this long to make a statement that he could have made a fortnight ago saying exactly the same things,but which would have placated the fans.
Perhaps he has been busy, I'm not being comical, just saying that it must be a busy position particularly with the transfer business that hopefully is drawing to a conclusion?
Like I said Fascia,its a case of wait and see now,we can only judge the current incumbents on what happens in the coming weeks and months,anything else is just speculation,which is pretty much what it all has been since the end of the last season.Fingers crossed!
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: A really impressive interview by our Chairman on Talk Sport this evening. He went quite a bit further than he did in his last interview and made things extremely clear. He not only re-confirmed that we will not be selling Morg and JayRod but also gave a greater insight into the recent events. I have never stopped believing in our board and our club's great ambition. Business deals have to be done in secret and the media have got so much about us completely wrong. It has made many Saints fans question their faith but it will be fully restored very soon. Like Ralph, I believe that we will finish in the top 8 again this season. There are a whole host of deals to be completed in the next few days. I expect it will take longer for some of the ultra negative fans to start to believe again but they will come around quickly when they see our team against Liverpool and our full, stronger than last season, squad by the end of the transfer window. Ralph did not have to speak again but he did and this was directly aimed at reassuring Saints fans. You will not have to be patient very much longer. Exciting times ahead!!![/p][/quote]Fairplay mush. Hope you're right![/p][/quote]It appears to be a case of "wait and see" now,but I still don't understand why he has waited this long to make a statement that he could have made a fortnight ago saying exactly the same things,but which would have placated the fans.[/p][/quote]Perhaps he has been busy, I'm not being comical, just saying that it must be a busy position particularly with the transfer business that hopefully is drawing to a conclusion?[/p][/quote]Like I said Fascia,its a case of wait and see now,we can only judge the current incumbents on what happens in the coming weeks and months,anything else is just speculation,which is pretty much what it all has been since the end of the last season.Fingers crossed! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

12:04am Wed 6 Aug 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

Wait and see. Action not words is what's required.
Wait and see. Action not words is what's required. Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 7

12:06am Wed 6 Aug 14

Saints n Winners says...

Paraphrasing the immortal words of Mandy Rice Davies; "He would say that wouldn't he"?

I afraid the early sale of the season tickets has left a bitter taste in the mouth, and that is one action that I would like to hear explained in detail by the board.

On Cortese. If he was doing such a bad job as some people are saying; why is it that KL wanted to keep him.
Paraphrasing the immortal words of Mandy Rice Davies; "He would say that wouldn't he"? I afraid the early sale of the season tickets has left a bitter taste in the mouth, and that is one action that I would like to hear explained in detail by the board. On Cortese. If he was doing such a bad job as some people are saying; why is it that KL wanted to keep him. Saints n Winners
  • Score: 2

12:07am Wed 6 Aug 14

Block 42 says...

Hernandez in please
Hernandez in please Block 42
  • Score: 9

12:11am Wed 6 Aug 14

nomorerumours says...

It'll be a late night guys! There are more of Ralph's inspiring comments on another Echo thread a few minutes after this one. Hope the full interview will be in the Echo tomorrow but it should be on the Saints website by then anyway. Great times ahead!!!
It'll be a late night guys! There are more of Ralph's inspiring comments on another Echo thread a few minutes after this one. Hope the full interview will be in the Echo tomorrow but it should be on the Saints website by then anyway. Great times ahead!!! nomorerumours
  • Score: 12

12:18am Wed 6 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
Wait and see. Action not words is what's required.
Well,the only way they can now be judged,is by what happens on the pitch next season,and if what Ralph says is going to happen..happens,so how can we do anything but wait and see at this juncture?
[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: Wait and see. Action not words is what's required.[/p][/quote]Well,the only way they can now be judged,is by what happens on the pitch next season,and if what Ralph says is going to happen..happens,so how can we do anything but wait and see at this juncture? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 4

12:20am Wed 6 Aug 14

Graham, North of Watford says...

I am a 1960's unreconstructed Socialist and I've always been a totally cynical about what top people do for their money.

I couldn't tell you the difference between a Chief Executive or an Executive Director or a Chairman if I tried. We certainly know that in the bigger Companies, particularly Bnks that they decide each other's pay rises each year - I've got £50 in my back pocket to any charity of your choice that they haven't kept to the Public Sector 1% over the last 3/4/ years.

What I would value and welcome is an unscripted discussion with Katherine telling us her vision over the next 5 years and just precisely what she intends doing with the Club.

I am probably like most of you guys. I don't have a spare £500 quid in my back pocket let alone the odd spare £500m (or whatever you need) to own a Footie Club.

But I would like to know that her heart is i it for her Father's sake if nothing else.

I sort of, hope that she is in with the dream but I would so like to hear from her on the matter
I am a 1960's unreconstructed Socialist and I've always been a totally cynical about what top people do for their money. I couldn't tell you the difference between a Chief Executive or an Executive Director or a Chairman if I tried. We certainly know that in the bigger Companies, particularly Bnks that they decide each other's pay rises each year - I've got £50 in my back pocket to any charity of your choice that they haven't kept to the Public Sector 1% over the last 3/4/ years. What I would value and welcome is an unscripted discussion with Katherine telling us her vision over the next 5 years and just precisely what she intends doing with the Club. I am probably like most of you guys. I don't have a spare £500 quid in my back pocket let alone the odd spare £500m (or whatever you need) to own a Footie Club. But I would like to know that her heart is i it for her Father's sake if nothing else. I sort of, hope that she is in with the dream but I would so like to hear from her on the matter Graham, North of Watford
  • Score: 7

12:28am Wed 6 Aug 14

Buddy SFC says...

Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football ..............

How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ?

It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side !

The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ?

Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost.

At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces !

I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ...............

Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone !

Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits .................

If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same ..............
Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football .............. How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ? It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side ! The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ? Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost. At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces ! I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ............... Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone ! Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits ................. If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same .............. Buddy SFC
  • Score: 35

12:32am Wed 6 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Graham, North of Watford wrote:
I am a 1960's unreconstructed Socialist and I've always been a totally cynical about what top people do for their money.

I couldn't tell you the difference between a Chief Executive or an Executive Director or a Chairman if I tried. We certainly know that in the bigger Companies, particularly Bnks that they decide each other's pay rises each year - I've got £50 in my back pocket to any charity of your choice that they haven't kept to the Public Sector 1% over the last 3/4/ years.

What I would value and welcome is an unscripted discussion with Katherine telling us her vision over the next 5 years and just precisely what she intends doing with the Club.

I am probably like most of you guys. I don't have a spare £500 quid in my back pocket let alone the odd spare £500m (or whatever you need) to own a Footie Club.

But I would like to know that her heart is i it for her Father's sake if nothing else.

I sort of, hope that she is in with the dream but I would so like to hear from her on the matter
Wouldn't we all! This statement by Ralph,appears to be a rather late attempt to placate the fans,after it filtered through to the elite that the peasants were revolting.
Bernie Ecclestone has proved tonight that money can buy you anything if you've got enough of it .
Vive la revolution!
[quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: I am a 1960's unreconstructed Socialist and I've always been a totally cynical about what top people do for their money. I couldn't tell you the difference between a Chief Executive or an Executive Director or a Chairman if I tried. We certainly know that in the bigger Companies, particularly Bnks that they decide each other's pay rises each year - I've got £50 in my back pocket to any charity of your choice that they haven't kept to the Public Sector 1% over the last 3/4/ years. What I would value and welcome is an unscripted discussion with Katherine telling us her vision over the next 5 years and just precisely what she intends doing with the Club. I am probably like most of you guys. I don't have a spare £500 quid in my back pocket let alone the odd spare £500m (or whatever you need) to own a Footie Club. But I would like to know that her heart is i it for her Father's sake if nothing else. I sort of, hope that she is in with the dream but I would so like to hear from her on the matter[/p][/quote]Wouldn't we all! This statement by Ralph,appears to be a rather late attempt to placate the fans,after it filtered through to the elite that the peasants were revolting. Bernie Ecclestone has proved tonight that money can buy you anything if you've got enough of it . Vive la revolution! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

12:41am Wed 6 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football ..............

How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ?

It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side !

The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ?

Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost.

At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces !

I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ...............

Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone !

Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits .................

If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same ..............
You know what? Thats a good out look, particularly the first half. I honestly hope that it happens.
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football .............. How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ? It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side ! The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ? Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost. At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces ! I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ............... Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone ! Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits ................. If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same ..............[/p][/quote]You know what? Thats a good out look, particularly the first half. I honestly hope that it happens. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 6

12:48am Wed 6 Aug 14

nysaint says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football ..............

How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ?

It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side !

The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ?

Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost.

At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces !

I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ...............

Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone !

Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits .................

If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same ..............
Good words. I gave it thumbs up, and would do the same many times if I could.
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football .............. How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ? It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side ! The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ? Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost. At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces ! I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ............... Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone ! Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits ................. If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same ..............[/p][/quote]Good words. I gave it thumbs up, and would do the same many times if I could. nysaint
  • Score: 14

12:57am Wed 6 Aug 14

Saints n Winners says...

Graham, North of Watford wrote:
I am a 1960's unreconstructed Socialist and I've always been a totally cynical about what top people do for their money.

I couldn't tell you the difference between a Chief Executive or an Executive Director or a Chairman if I tried. We certainly know that in the bigger Companies, particularly Bnks that they decide each other's pay rises each year - I've got £50 in my back pocket to any charity of your choice that they haven't kept to the Public Sector 1% over the last 3/4/ years.

What I would value and welcome is an unscripted discussion with Katherine telling us her vision over the next 5 years and just precisely what she intends doing with the Club.

I am probably like most of you guys. I don't have a spare £500 quid in my back pocket let alone the odd spare £500m (or whatever you need) to own a Footie Club.

But I would like to know that her heart is i it for her Father's sake if nothing else.

I sort of, hope that she is in with the dream but I would so like to hear from her on the matter
Markus was an older guy who chased a football dream in his later years. SFC became his baby, and he came to understand the babies needs ie the fans I doubt whether his father loved football as much as he did, and doubt whether his daughter will either.
If she doesn't love this club as much as her father does, why would she tell everybody. Her best policy is to say little, and quietly get on with it, until such times as she decides to take more control, or has more of a feel for the club, or sets the club up to sell it.
The PR hasn't been great so far, and she must realise this. The improvement in PR will be essential for any of her chosen paths.
[quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: I am a 1960's unreconstructed Socialist and I've always been a totally cynical about what top people do for their money. I couldn't tell you the difference between a Chief Executive or an Executive Director or a Chairman if I tried. We certainly know that in the bigger Companies, particularly Bnks that they decide each other's pay rises each year - I've got £50 in my back pocket to any charity of your choice that they haven't kept to the Public Sector 1% over the last 3/4/ years. What I would value and welcome is an unscripted discussion with Katherine telling us her vision over the next 5 years and just precisely what she intends doing with the Club. I am probably like most of you guys. I don't have a spare £500 quid in my back pocket let alone the odd spare £500m (or whatever you need) to own a Footie Club. But I would like to know that her heart is i it for her Father's sake if nothing else. I sort of, hope that she is in with the dream but I would so like to hear from her on the matter[/p][/quote]Markus was an older guy who chased a football dream in his later years. SFC became his baby, and he came to understand the babies needs ie the fans I doubt whether his father loved football as much as he did, and doubt whether his daughter will either. If she doesn't love this club as much as her father does, why would she tell everybody. Her best policy is to say little, and quietly get on with it, until such times as she decides to take more control, or has more of a feel for the club, or sets the club up to sell it. The PR hasn't been great so far, and she must realise this. The improvement in PR will be essential for any of her chosen paths. Saints n Winners
  • Score: 5

12:57am Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

nysaint wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football ..............

How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ?

It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side !

The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ?

Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost.

At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces !

I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ...............

Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone !

Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits .................

If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same ..............
Good words. I gave it thumbs up, and would do the same many times if I could.
Ditto
[quote][p][bold]nysaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football .............. How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ? It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side ! The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ? Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost. At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces ! I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ............... Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone ! Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits ................. If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same ..............[/p][/quote]Good words. I gave it thumbs up, and would do the same many times if I could.[/p][/quote]Ditto fascia123
  • Score: 7

1:11am Wed 6 Aug 14

Wayne marchant says...

obviously he thinks we are stupid
obviously he thinks we are stupid Wayne marchant
  • Score: -11

1:16am Wed 6 Aug 14

Crispinmumbles says...

Lot's of words, we'll see what they're worth. It's obvious that we shouldn't be expecting £90 m re-invested in the team, I am a little uneasy about all the loan deals. Are we really, financially so far up a certain Creek that we've had to buy a £90 m paddle?

I do think Koeman is a cracking shout and that if anyone can - he will.

Don't reckon Saints fans should be on here slagging each other off though. Everyone's got an opinion, I vacillate between feeling really positive and nagging concerns over what is going on and I have been bitterly disappointed by this summer's events & the attitude of certain players & staff members.
Lot's of words, we'll see what they're worth. It's obvious that we shouldn't be expecting £90 m re-invested in the team, I am a little uneasy about all the loan deals. Are we really, financially so far up a certain Creek that we've had to buy a £90 m paddle? I do think Koeman is a cracking shout and that if anyone can - he will. Don't reckon Saints fans should be on here slagging each other off though. Everyone's got an opinion, I vacillate between feeling really positive and nagging concerns over what is going on and I have been bitterly disappointed by this summer's events & the attitude of certain players & staff members. Crispinmumbles
  • Score: 20

1:46am Wed 6 Aug 14

thomasupton says...

Lmao
Lmao thomasupton
  • Score: 3

1:54am Wed 6 Aug 14

Tirau Dan says...

Only thing a Saintly fan can say is "all good innit" - sums it up nicely dunnit COYR get on the Train Mushes and Mushettes and bring the nippers.
Only thing a Saintly fan can say is "all good innit" - sums it up nicely dunnit COYR get on the Train Mushes and Mushettes and bring the nippers. Tirau Dan
  • Score: 2

2:24am Wed 6 Aug 14

Silversha-ha-ha-ha-dow says...

I honestly think that some people on here really need to read between the lines. The man has declared his hand and communicated to us all. He is damned if he does, or damned if he doesn't. Can we not be grateful for what we have, and what has been done? Remember people where we were not so long ago. How can we judge now? Let's wait until the end of the season before we form an opinion. I have two balls. Neither are crystal. If they were I'd have won the lottery years ago.
I honestly think that some people on here really need to read between the lines. The man has declared his hand and communicated to us all. He is damned if he does, or damned if he doesn't. Can we not be grateful for what we have, and what has been done? Remember people where we were not so long ago. How can we judge now? Let's wait until the end of the season before we form an opinion. I have two balls. Neither are crystal. If they were I'd have won the lottery years ago. Silversha-ha-ha-ha-dow
  • Score: 20

3:27am Wed 6 Aug 14

Tirau Dan says...

It's good that Ralph is speaking out and using the media. It needed to happen after the past few years of antimedia silence from the club.. we hate the gutter press and all the bs but statements of meaningful intent and reassurances of targeted spending for betterment are what we need. Ralph responded to fans pleas I think.. I don't think he did when he was sacked from The Edmonton Oilers over Skype and their fans sided with his ex employers.. they didn't think a lot of his coaching.. but the pundits and heads of that game say his strength is in communication and corporate management.. Ralph is a bonder of men and is held as a role model of sports corporate management.

I think if Saints can bond and become more united and stable then our club should rise in time to be solid top 4.. but fans have to try read more and be more patient as the press had a field day baiting the slag brigade.. negative disbelievers hold back advancement, destroy morale and feed further disparagement. I hope success this season will help bond but fully expect the usual suspects to slag and boo along the way.

Hope this lot makes sense.. my earlier post I think says it shorter haha all good innit
It's good that Ralph is speaking out and using the media. It needed to happen after the past few years of antimedia silence from the club.. we hate the gutter press and all the bs but statements of meaningful intent and reassurances of targeted spending for betterment are what we need. Ralph responded to fans pleas I think.. I don't think he did when he was sacked from The Edmonton Oilers over Skype and their fans sided with his ex employers.. they didn't think a lot of his coaching.. but the pundits and heads of that game say his strength is in communication and corporate management.. Ralph is a bonder of men and is held as a role model of sports corporate management. I think if Saints can bond and become more united and stable then our club should rise in time to be solid top 4.. but fans have to try read more and be more patient as the press had a field day baiting the slag brigade.. negative disbelievers hold back advancement, destroy morale and feed further disparagement. I hope success this season will help bond but fully expect the usual suspects to slag and boo along the way. Hope this lot makes sense.. my earlier post I think says it shorter haha all good innit Tirau Dan
  • Score: 12

4:22am Wed 6 Aug 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Kernowsaints wrote:
sahir taider has completed his medical and signed tonight announcement early tomorrow
So what ? He's average and plays in a position we don't need.
[quote][p][bold]Kernowsaints[/bold] wrote: sahir taider has completed his medical and signed tonight announcement early tomorrow[/p][/quote]So what ? He's average and plays in a position we don't need. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -5

6:08am Wed 6 Aug 14

Letissthelastoftheloyal says...

I must admit I am still a little concerned but at the same time don't want to be negative. All this is just talk at the moment and who knows what the truth is. One thing I do know for sure is that it's the results on the pitch that count and we will have to be patient and wait for that to unfold. If we start losing games then I'm sure the fans will turn on the board very quickly although I really hope the board are right and this doesn't happen. Looking forward to the start of the season and for me just staying in PL will be a success.
I must admit I am still a little concerned but at the same time don't want to be negative. All this is just talk at the moment and who knows what the truth is. One thing I do know for sure is that it's the results on the pitch that count and we will have to be patient and wait for that to unfold. If we start losing games then I'm sure the fans will turn on the board very quickly although I really hope the board are right and this doesn't happen. Looking forward to the start of the season and for me just staying in PL will be a success. Letissthelastoftheloyal
  • Score: 4

6:29am Wed 6 Aug 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Tirau Dan wrote:
It's good that Ralph is speaking out and using the media. It needed to happen after the past few years of antimedia silence from the club.. we hate the gutter press and all the bs but statements of meaningful intent and reassurances of targeted spending for betterment are what we need. Ralph responded to fans pleas I think.. I don't think he did when he was sacked from The Edmonton Oilers over Skype and their fans sided with his ex employers.. they didn't think a lot of his coaching.. but the pundits and heads of that game say his strength is in communication and corporate management.. Ralph is a bonder of men and is held as a role model of sports corporate management.

I think if Saints can bond and become more united and stable then our club should rise in time to be solid top 4.. but fans have to try read more and be more patient as the press had a field day baiting the slag brigade.. negative disbelievers hold back advancement, destroy morale and feed further disparagement. I hope success this season will help bond but fully expect the usual suspects to slag and boo along the way.

Hope this lot makes sense.. my earlier post I think says it shorter haha all good innit
If we start losing I will be there slagging and booing.
[quote][p][bold]Tirau Dan[/bold] wrote: It's good that Ralph is speaking out and using the media. It needed to happen after the past few years of antimedia silence from the club.. we hate the gutter press and all the bs but statements of meaningful intent and reassurances of targeted spending for betterment are what we need. Ralph responded to fans pleas I think.. I don't think he did when he was sacked from The Edmonton Oilers over Skype and their fans sided with his ex employers.. they didn't think a lot of his coaching.. but the pundits and heads of that game say his strength is in communication and corporate management.. Ralph is a bonder of men and is held as a role model of sports corporate management. I think if Saints can bond and become more united and stable then our club should rise in time to be solid top 4.. but fans have to try read more and be more patient as the press had a field day baiting the slag brigade.. negative disbelievers hold back advancement, destroy morale and feed further disparagement. I hope success this season will help bond but fully expect the usual suspects to slag and boo along the way. Hope this lot makes sense.. my earlier post I think says it shorter haha all good innit[/p][/quote]If we start losing I will be there slagging and booing. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -13

6:54am Wed 6 Aug 14

st.athan saint says...

buckie wrote:
i realise im cynical but are season ticket sales down? seems like king Ralph is making all sorts of noises trying to defend the indefensible with regard to the player sales and non arrivals of new players as Koeman intimated would be finalised over the weekend i realise those in power will not take a blind bit of notice of these threads they should do though as season tickets holders are not fans but customers pretty please can we get some defensive players in we have lost the most promising left back in a generation replaced him with a free transfer also lost the best central defender since Dean Richards only my opinion RIP Deano
Deano was good but I take it you never saw Michael Svennson !!
[quote][p][bold]buckie[/bold] wrote: i realise im cynical but are season ticket sales down? seems like king Ralph is making all sorts of noises trying to defend the indefensible with regard to the player sales and non arrivals of new players as Koeman intimated would be finalised over the weekend i realise those in power will not take a blind bit of notice of these threads they should do though as season tickets holders are not fans but customers pretty please can we get some defensive players in we have lost the most promising left back in a generation replaced him with a free transfer also lost the best central defender since Dean Richards only my opinion RIP Deano[/p][/quote]Deano was good but I take it you never saw Michael Svennson !! st.athan saint
  • Score: 5

6:56am Wed 6 Aug 14

Saintsayer II says...

fascia123 wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
Class !

Something many posters on here this Summer, simply haven't got !
Spot on, if that doesn't tell you all you need to know about where NC was taking this great club then FFS open your eyes.

We might have a more difficult season than last but under these guys the long term future will be much more secure.

Now let's just wait for the prophets of doom to rubbish everything in the article.
I sincerely hope you are right but as everything they have come out with so far has been lies why should I believe this pile of sycophantic BS
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: Class ! Something many posters on here this Summer, simply haven't got ![/p][/quote]Spot on, if that doesn't tell you all you need to know about where NC was taking this great club then FFS open your eyes. We might have a more difficult season than last but under these guys the long term future will be much more secure. Now let's just wait for the prophets of doom to rubbish everything in the article.[/p][/quote]I sincerely hope you are right but as everything they have come out with so far has been lies why should I believe this pile of sycophantic BS Saintsayer II
  • Score: -8

7:07am Wed 6 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

If it is all true then I will be estatic, if, I have said all alomg it looked more like poor management than straightforward asset stripping although for all of us it was/is a concern.

One thing, the media write and indeed have always written us off we are a small nuisance not deserving of the overblown respect and column inches given by the kiss 4ss jiurnalists to the big 5…

Yet we constantly prove them wrong, i do not doubt we received insane offers for our players compared to their value a mere 12 months earlier, if we have bought predominantly better ie more complete players than those we have sold, some of us and the entire national press will be a laughing stock.
If it is all true then I will be estatic, if, I have said all alomg it looked more like poor management than straightforward asset stripping although for all of us it was/is a concern. One thing, the media write and indeed have always written us off we are a small nuisance not deserving of the overblown respect and column inches given by the kiss 4ss jiurnalists to the big 5… Yet we constantly prove them wrong, i do not doubt we received insane offers for our players compared to their value a mere 12 months earlier, if we have bought predominantly better ie more complete players than those we have sold, some of us and the entire national press will be a laughing stock. warrens 76
  • Score: 8

7:13am Wed 6 Aug 14

saint christopher says...

Too many people still wanting so-called "marque" signings. What do you want - an Andy Caroll or Torres?

1. Such people tend to come with inflated egos and wage demands.

2. We want to build a TEAM, unlike your Harry's of this world who try the pick and mix approach and hope something gels.
Too many people still wanting so-called "marque" signings. What do you want - an Andy Caroll or Torres? 1. Such people tend to come with inflated egos and wage demands. 2. We want to build a TEAM, unlike your Harry's of this world who try the pick and mix approach and hope something gels. saint christopher
  • Score: 16

7:20am Wed 6 Aug 14

Saintsayer II says...

Tirau Dan wrote:
It's good that Ralph is speaking out and using the media. It needed to happen after the past few years of antimedia silence from the club.. we hate the gutter press and all the bs but statements of meaningful intent and reassurances of targeted spending for betterment are what we need. Ralph responded to fans pleas I think.. I don't think he did when he was sacked from The Edmonton Oilers over Skype and their fans sided with his ex employers.. they didn't think a lot of his coaching.. but the pundits and heads of that game say his strength is in communication and corporate management.. Ralph is a bonder of men and is held as a role model of sports corporate management.

I think if Saints can bond and become more united and stable then our club should rise in time to be solid top 4.. but fans have to try read more and be more patient as the press had a field day baiting the slag brigade.. negative disbelievers hold back advancement, destroy morale and feed further disparagement. I hope success this season will help bond but fully expect the usual suspects to slag and boo along the way.

Hope this lot makes sense.. my earlier post I think says it shorter haha all good innit
How do you expect the fans to bond with someone who lies to them Dan They have allowed the 'big' clubs to rip the heart out of our squad and until we see what RoKo can do from the ashes we are going to feel bitter towards the whole administrative team I fear that the negativity will be felt by the players as well
[quote][p][bold]Tirau Dan[/bold] wrote: It's good that Ralph is speaking out and using the media. It needed to happen after the past few years of antimedia silence from the club.. we hate the gutter press and all the bs but statements of meaningful intent and reassurances of targeted spending for betterment are what we need. Ralph responded to fans pleas I think.. I don't think he did when he was sacked from The Edmonton Oilers over Skype and their fans sided with his ex employers.. they didn't think a lot of his coaching.. but the pundits and heads of that game say his strength is in communication and corporate management.. Ralph is a bonder of men and is held as a role model of sports corporate management. I think if Saints can bond and become more united and stable then our club should rise in time to be solid top 4.. but fans have to try read more and be more patient as the press had a field day baiting the slag brigade.. negative disbelievers hold back advancement, destroy morale and feed further disparagement. I hope success this season will help bond but fully expect the usual suspects to slag and boo along the way. Hope this lot makes sense.. my earlier post I think says it shorter haha all good innit[/p][/quote]How do you expect the fans to bond with someone who lies to them Dan They have allowed the 'big' clubs to rip the heart out of our squad and until we see what RoKo can do from the ashes we are going to feel bitter towards the whole administrative team I fear that the negativity will be felt by the players as well Saintsayer II
  • Score: -17

7:25am Wed 6 Aug 14

Buddy SFC says...

fascia123 wrote:
nysaint wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football ..............

How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ?

It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side !

The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ?

Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost.

At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces !

I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ...............

Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone !

Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits .................

If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same ..............
Good words. I gave it thumbs up, and would do the same many times if I could.
Ditto
Thank you ........... I simply don't understand some of our 'FANS' , it's as though they want Saints us to fail so they can shout from the rafters ?
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nysaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football .............. How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ? It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side ! The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ? Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost. At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces ! I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ............... Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone ! Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits ................. If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same ..............[/p][/quote]Good words. I gave it thumbs up, and would do the same many times if I could.[/p][/quote]Ditto[/p][/quote]Thank you ........... I simply don't understand some of our 'FANS' , it's as though they want Saints us to fail so they can shout from the rafters ? Buddy SFC
  • Score: 14

7:26am Wed 6 Aug 14

Costa Baz says...

InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers.

Good analogy with NC?
[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers. Good analogy with NC? Costa Baz
  • Score: 15

7:37am Wed 6 Aug 14

thesaint88 says...

fascia123 wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
Class !

Something many posters on here this Summer, simply haven't got !
Spot on, if that doesn't tell you all you need to know about where NC was taking this great club then FFS open your eyes.

We might have a more difficult season than last but under these guys the long term future will be much more secure.

Now let's just wait for the prophets of doom to rubbish everything in the article.
I am going to remind you of this when the club goes up for sale.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: Class ! Something many posters on here this Summer, simply haven't got ![/p][/quote]Spot on, if that doesn't tell you all you need to know about where NC was taking this great club then FFS open your eyes. We might have a more difficult season than last but under these guys the long term future will be much more secure. Now let's just wait for the prophets of doom to rubbish everything in the article.[/p][/quote]I am going to remind you of this when the club goes up for sale. thesaint88
  • Score: -6

7:41am Wed 6 Aug 14

thesaint88 says...

Saintsincethe60s wrote:
Give them a chance, let the poseurs who think they are too good for us go, decide at the end of the transfer window and again at the end of the season.
Even if we do not do so well this season as last, i'm sure it will be better next.

Don't forget this year you will have got rid of all of the inside influences that want to destroy the club, the poisoned argie and his mate perhaps?
Just three to go now, Fat kat, Freddie and the other idiot reed
[quote][p][bold]Saintsincethe60s[/bold] wrote: Give them a chance, let the poseurs who think they are too good for us go, decide at the end of the transfer window and again at the end of the season. Even if we do not do so well this season as last, i'm sure it will be better next. Don't forget this year you will have got rid of all of the inside influences that want to destroy the club, the poisoned argie and his mate perhaps?[/p][/quote]Just three to go now, Fat kat, Freddie and the other idiot reed thesaint88
  • Score: -16

7:43am Wed 6 Aug 14

thesaint88 says...

yellowcard wrote:
I have more faith in these 2 than i did in that money grabbing banker cortese. Bankers ruined our country financially he would of ruined our club the same way. Especially now there will be no more money coming out of kats bank
Plenty going in though mate
[quote][p][bold]yellowcard[/bold] wrote: I have more faith in these 2 than i did in that money grabbing banker cortese. Bankers ruined our country financially he would of ruined our club the same way. Especially now there will be no more money coming out of kats bank[/p][/quote]Plenty going in though mate thesaint88
  • Score: -4

7:47am Wed 6 Aug 14

ctsaint says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
buckie wrote:
i realise im cynical but are season ticket sales down? seems like king Ralph is making all sorts of noises trying to defend the indefensible with regard to the player sales and non arrivals of new players as Koeman intimated would be finalised over the weekend i realise those in power will not take a blind bit of notice of these threads they should do though as season tickets holders are not fans but customers pretty please can we get some defensive players in we have lost the most promising left back in a generation replaced him with a free transfer also lost the best central defender since Dean Richards only my opinion RIP Deano
Season Ticket Sales are down - young Saints Fans are switching off - Players have been sold in a rush - and very slow to sign.

KING RON KOEMAN looks like a man to deliver - but he cannot work miracles.

There is NO SUCH TERM as king Ralph and on current performance there never will be ...

LES and RALPH should hang their heads in shame and accept a share of the responsibility for brining this Club into CRISIS.
COYR+WS
What a throber!
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckie[/bold] wrote: i realise im cynical but are season ticket sales down? seems like king Ralph is making all sorts of noises trying to defend the indefensible with regard to the player sales and non arrivals of new players as Koeman intimated would be finalised over the weekend i realise those in power will not take a blind bit of notice of these threads they should do though as season tickets holders are not fans but customers pretty please can we get some defensive players in we have lost the most promising left back in a generation replaced him with a free transfer also lost the best central defender since Dean Richards only my opinion RIP Deano[/p][/quote]Season Ticket Sales are down - young Saints Fans are switching off - Players have been sold in a rush - and very slow to sign. KING RON KOEMAN looks like a man to deliver - but he cannot work miracles. There is NO SUCH TERM as king Ralph and on current performance there never will be ... LES and RALPH should hang their heads in shame and accept a share of the responsibility for brining this Club into CRISIS. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]What a throber! ctsaint
  • Score: -2

7:51am Wed 6 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

And there we were thinking Les was having an extended holiday. Nice to hear you re doing great job Les. Now just in case you havn't noticed we ae in need of a quality central defender, Cover at RB and somebody up front who knows where the net is. Take your time, after all there is still a whole 10 days till we stuff Brenda's Thievingskiverpool.
And there we were thinking Les was having an extended holiday. Nice to hear you re doing great job Les. Now just in case you havn't noticed we ae in need of a quality central defender, Cover at RB and somebody up front who knows where the net is. Take your time, after all there is still a whole 10 days till we stuff Brenda's Thievingskiverpool. Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

7:53am Wed 6 Aug 14

ctsaint says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Kernowsaints wrote:
sahir taider has completed his medical and signed tonight announcement early tomorrow
Is that right?

That would be good news.
It would be GOOD NEWS .... and currently Saints Fans are starved of any good news.

Just because RK has spoken - a long time after he should have been communicating - don't cling onto FALSE HOPE.

DELIVER THIS WEEK RALPH and LES ..... OR Admit you are a waste of space - the job in football is too BIG for you and resign.

After the FIGHT from League One - the FAIR CITY OF SOUTHAMPTON does not do average ...

SHOULD BE AIMING FOR 5th or 6th in the PREM - A WEMBLEY APPEARANCE - AND EUROPEAN FOOTBALL..

SHOULD BE Talking to the Owner about Stadum Extension and a Medium Term aim of a Larger Stadium ..

SHOULD BE DEVELOPING the North American Market.....

THAT IS THE MESSAGE that SFC is in healthier place - Not bookies slashing the odds massively for THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON to be relegated.

SORT IT FAST RALPH - before a lot of moderate loyal fans turn their back on you and want you GONE !!! COYR+WS
So the bookies odds are a clear indication of our progress or lack thereof than what our club says it will achieve , the appointing of Koeman brothers and the long term plan are simply ignored as lies and nonsense. What. Odour is the sky in your world?
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kernowsaints[/bold] wrote: sahir taider has completed his medical and signed tonight announcement early tomorrow[/p][/quote]Is that right? That would be good news.[/p][/quote]It would be GOOD NEWS .... and currently Saints Fans are starved of any good news. Just because RK has spoken - a long time after he should have been communicating - don't cling onto FALSE HOPE. DELIVER THIS WEEK RALPH and LES ..... OR Admit you are a waste of space - the job in football is too BIG for you and resign. After the FIGHT from League One - the FAIR CITY OF SOUTHAMPTON does not do average ... SHOULD BE AIMING FOR 5th or 6th in the PREM - A WEMBLEY APPEARANCE - AND EUROPEAN FOOTBALL.. SHOULD BE Talking to the Owner about Stadum Extension and a Medium Term aim of a Larger Stadium .. SHOULD BE DEVELOPING the North American Market..... THAT IS THE MESSAGE that SFC is in healthier place - Not bookies slashing the odds massively for THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON to be relegated. SORT IT FAST RALPH - before a lot of moderate loyal fans turn their back on you and want you GONE !!! COYR+WS[/p][/quote]So the bookies odds are a clear indication of our progress or lack thereof than what our club says it will achieve , the appointing of Koeman brothers and the long term plan are simply ignored as lies and nonsense. What. Odour is the sky in your world? ctsaint
  • Score: 3

7:55am Wed 6 Aug 14

BracknellSaint says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
i guess that we should be greatful to Les that Luke didn't leave when he was 16 ...? Sorry Ralf... It doesn't add up. It just sounds like lies. I hope I'm wrong, I really do, but I'm finding it hard to trust you for some reason. All I can see is that we have lost 5 key players and brought in more members of the board! Unless Ralf is a secret centre half I think we are going to struggle!
I'd say it does add up.
Luke was well known in football circles from several years ago, and was being ' tracked' by a number of the big clubs. You have to imagine that he already had his head turned at 15-16, and was probably offered the moon on a stick to not sign a pro deal at Saints, and jump to a Chelsea or Manure, in which case we would have received a tribunal fee( aka peanuts) for our contribution to his development.
Not sure I necessarily believe that Les Reed was the key to persuading him and his parents to stay with us a little longer, but that transfer has been in the pipeline for a long time it seems.
Lets not also forget the whispers that he was wanting to jump ship before he signed the 5 yr deal last season, but was persuaded to stay by promise of first team football, and a transfer this summer, giving him some exposure,and allowing us to collect a decent fee.
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: i guess that we should be greatful to Les that Luke didn't leave when he was 16 ...? Sorry Ralf... It doesn't add up. It just sounds like lies. I hope I'm wrong, I really do, but I'm finding it hard to trust you for some reason. All I can see is that we have lost 5 key players and brought in more members of the board! Unless Ralf is a secret centre half I think we are going to struggle![/p][/quote]I'd say it does add up. Luke was well known in football circles from several years ago, and was being ' tracked' by a number of the big clubs. You have to imagine that he already had his head turned at 15-16, and was probably offered the moon on a stick to not sign a pro deal at Saints, and jump to a Chelsea or Manure, in which case we would have received a tribunal fee( aka peanuts) for our contribution to his development. Not sure I necessarily believe that Les Reed was the key to persuading him and his parents to stay with us a little longer, but that transfer has been in the pipeline for a long time it seems. Lets not also forget the whispers that he was wanting to jump ship before he signed the 5 yr deal last season, but was persuaded to stay by promise of first team football, and a transfer this summer, giving him some exposure,and allowing us to collect a decent fee. BracknellSaint
  • Score: 7

7:59am Wed 6 Aug 14

saintbobby says...

Look for God's sake we are only some 10 days from the start of the season and I do understand some are worried about the team. But there is still time and it sounds that things are progressing very well.

All this reminds me of being chucked by first girlfriend and how awful I felt. For us it has been very disappointing that some of our "heroes" have done just that. We are the Saints and we expect our lads to be loyal and love us as much as we love them.

But, they have upped sticks and the Press has just been awful. Like vultures picking over carrion, they have bad-mouthed our club at EVERY opportunity.

This interview is excellent. It has put the club into perspective and my only complaint is that It should have been given a couple of weeks ago.

Having said all this I just hope the incoming news is as good as we all hope.

Finally, just look at the current content of the team. We still have a very good line-up and it will be strengthened. And don't forget the red and white stripes! We will soon be marching.
Look for God's sake we are only some 10 days from the start of the season and I do understand some are worried about the team. But there is still time and it sounds that things are progressing very well. All this reminds me of being chucked by first girlfriend and how awful I felt. For us it has been very disappointing that some of our "heroes" have done just that. We are the Saints and we expect our lads to be loyal and love us as much as we love them. But, they have upped sticks and the Press has just been awful. Like vultures picking over carrion, they have bad-mouthed our club at EVERY opportunity. This interview is excellent. It has put the club into perspective and my only complaint is that It should have been given a couple of weeks ago. Having said all this I just hope the incoming news is as good as we all hope. Finally, just look at the current content of the team. We still have a very good line-up and it will be strengthened. And don't forget the red and white stripes! We will soon be marching. saintbobby
  • Score: 6

8:03am Wed 6 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
nysaint wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football ..............

How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ?

It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side !

The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ?

Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost.

At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces !

I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ...............

Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone !

Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits .................

If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same ..............
Good words. I gave it thumbs up, and would do the same many times if I could.
Ditto
Thank you ........... I simply don't understand some of our 'FANS' , it's as though they want Saints us to fail so they can shout from the rafters ?
Brilliant posts - couldn't agree more
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nysaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football .............. How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ? It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side ! The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ? Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost. At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces ! I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ............... Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone ! Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits ................. If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same ..............[/p][/quote]Good words. I gave it thumbs up, and would do the same many times if I could.[/p][/quote]Ditto[/p][/quote]Thank you ........... I simply don't understand some of our 'FANS' , it's as though they want Saints us to fail so they can shout from the rafters ?[/p][/quote]Brilliant posts - couldn't agree more Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 7

8:06am Wed 6 Aug 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
nysaint wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football ..............

How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ?

It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side !

The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ?

Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost.

At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces !

I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ...............

Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone !

Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits .................

If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same ..............
Good words. I gave it thumbs up, and would do the same many times if I could.
Ditto
Thank you ........... I simply don't understand some of our 'FANS' , it's as though they want Saints us to fail so they can shout from the rafters ?
Brilliant posts - couldn't agree more
Ditto ditto!
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nysaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football .............. How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ? It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side ! The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ? Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost. At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces ! I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ............... Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone ! Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits ................. If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same ..............[/p][/quote]Good words. I gave it thumbs up, and would do the same many times if I could.[/p][/quote]Ditto[/p][/quote]Thank you ........... I simply don't understand some of our 'FANS' , it's as though they want Saints us to fail so they can shout from the rafters ?[/p][/quote]Brilliant posts - couldn't agree more[/p][/quote]Ditto ditto! Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 4

8:07am Wed 6 Aug 14

Saintade says...

Call me a cynic, but I'll keep a copy of this article to flag up when Koeman walks out next summer to a bigger club.
Call me a cynic, but I'll keep a copy of this article to flag up when Koeman walks out next summer to a bigger club. Saintade
  • Score: -10

8:10am Wed 6 Aug 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

A real feeling of positivity on here this morning which is great. I take RK at his word and I'm excited to see what happens transfer wise now although, reading between the lines of the other article, I think patience may be called for - Sky Sports reporting that we'll sign Forster when Celtic crash out tonight. That would be an awesome start.
A real feeling of positivity on here this morning which is great. I take RK at his word and I'm excited to see what happens transfer wise now although, reading between the lines of the other article, I think patience may be called for - Sky Sports reporting that we'll sign Forster when Celtic crash out tonight. That would be an awesome start. Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 1

8:24am Wed 6 Aug 14

pitbull says...

I suppose every club has to have a "baddie" in the ranks who the fans can direct their frustration at.

Les Reed is our "baddie", but when you look at what he has done it's actually not that bad.
To start off with, he was employed by the previous chairman.
It was Reed who discovered the previous manager, not the previous chairman as many like to think.
Rickie was being sold last January and was only kept on due to Osvaldo's behaviour, Reed got good money for a near 32 year old.
Lallana and Lovren wanted out at any cost, they both lost a lot of respect, Reed wanted Lallana to stay but he was having none of it. Reed got exceptional money for both of them.
Chambers and Shaw both wanted out, again, Reed got fantastic money for them and I've no doubt that there is some decent sell on clauses as well.
The only thing Reed has really done wrong is maybe being a bit slow when being duped and lied to by the previous manager, who he also got a decent amount of compensation for.

The players aren't too keen on him because he drives a hard bargain on contract issues, so what, the players play for the club and not Les Reed.

And finally, it was Reed who recruited Big Ron, Tadic, Pelle and Bertrand.
I suppose every club has to have a "baddie" in the ranks who the fans can direct their frustration at. Les Reed is our "baddie", but when you look at what he has done it's actually not that bad. To start off with, he was employed by the previous chairman. It was Reed who discovered the previous manager, not the previous chairman as many like to think. Rickie was being sold last January and was only kept on due to Osvaldo's behaviour, Reed got good money for a near 32 year old. Lallana and Lovren wanted out at any cost, they both lost a lot of respect, Reed wanted Lallana to stay but he was having none of it. Reed got exceptional money for both of them. Chambers and Shaw both wanted out, again, Reed got fantastic money for them and I've no doubt that there is some decent sell on clauses as well. The only thing Reed has really done wrong is maybe being a bit slow when being duped and lied to by the previous manager, who he also got a decent amount of compensation for. The players aren't too keen on him because he drives a hard bargain on contract issues, so what, the players play for the club and not Les Reed. And finally, it was Reed who recruited Big Ron, Tadic, Pelle and Bertrand. pitbull
  • Score: 14

8:25am Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
nysaint wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football ..............

How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ?

It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side !

The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ?

Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost.

At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces !

I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ...............

Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone !

Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits .................

If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same ..............
Good words. I gave it thumbs up, and would do the same many times if I could.
Ditto
Thank you ........... I simply don't understand some of our 'FANS' , it's as though they want Saints us to fail so they can shout from the rafters ?
They rile me big time, them that will come back at me with freedom of speech, they are entitled to their opinion, they are just passionate fans etc.

Negativity at every turn is not passion, questioning every decision no matter what is being said, no news they are hiding something and should be more transparent, issue a statement to the fans and immediately it's a big cover up.

I wonder wether they smoke to much weed and are paranoid and delusional, or just like a beef and will moan about anything whatever the outcome???
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nysaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football .............. How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ? It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side ! The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ? Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost. At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces ! I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ............... Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone ! Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits ................. If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same ..............[/p][/quote]Good words. I gave it thumbs up, and would do the same many times if I could.[/p][/quote]Ditto[/p][/quote]Thank you ........... I simply don't understand some of our 'FANS' , it's as though they want Saints us to fail so they can shout from the rafters ?[/p][/quote]They rile me big time, them that will come back at me with freedom of speech, they are entitled to their opinion, they are just passionate fans etc. Negativity at every turn is not passion, questioning every decision no matter what is being said, no news they are hiding something and should be more transparent, issue a statement to the fans and immediately it's a big cover up. I wonder wether they smoke to much weed and are paranoid and delusional, or just like a beef and will moan about anything whatever the outcome??? fascia123
  • Score: 6

8:27am Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

pitbull wrote:
I suppose every club has to have a "baddie" in the ranks who the fans can direct their frustration at.

Les Reed is our "baddie", but when you look at what he has done it's actually not that bad.
To start off with, he was employed by the previous chairman.
It was Reed who discovered the previous manager, not the previous chairman as many like to think.
Rickie was being sold last January and was only kept on due to Osvaldo's behaviour, Reed got good money for a near 32 year old.
Lallana and Lovren wanted out at any cost, they both lost a lot of respect, Reed wanted Lallana to stay but he was having none of it. Reed got exceptional money for both of them.
Chambers and Shaw both wanted out, again, Reed got fantastic money for them and I've no doubt that there is some decent sell on clauses as well.
The only thing Reed has really done wrong is maybe being a bit slow when being duped and lied to by the previous manager, who he also got a decent amount of compensation for.

The players aren't too keen on him because he drives a hard bargain on contract issues, so what, the players play for the club and not Les Reed.

And finally, it was Reed who recruited Big Ron, Tadic, Pelle and Bertrand.
Good post
[quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: I suppose every club has to have a "baddie" in the ranks who the fans can direct their frustration at. Les Reed is our "baddie", but when you look at what he has done it's actually not that bad. To start off with, he was employed by the previous chairman. It was Reed who discovered the previous manager, not the previous chairman as many like to think. Rickie was being sold last January and was only kept on due to Osvaldo's behaviour, Reed got good money for a near 32 year old. Lallana and Lovren wanted out at any cost, they both lost a lot of respect, Reed wanted Lallana to stay but he was having none of it. Reed got exceptional money for both of them. Chambers and Shaw both wanted out, again, Reed got fantastic money for them and I've no doubt that there is some decent sell on clauses as well. The only thing Reed has really done wrong is maybe being a bit slow when being duped and lied to by the previous manager, who he also got a decent amount of compensation for. The players aren't too keen on him because he drives a hard bargain on contract issues, so what, the players play for the club and not Les Reed. And finally, it was Reed who recruited Big Ron, Tadic, Pelle and Bertrand.[/p][/quote]Good post fascia123
  • Score: 6

8:29am Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Saintade wrote:
Call me a cynic, but I'll keep a copy of this article to flag up when Koeman walks out next summer to a bigger club.
FFS
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: Call me a cynic, but I'll keep a copy of this article to flag up when Koeman walks out next summer to a bigger club.[/p][/quote]FFS fascia123
  • Score: 3

8:34am Wed 6 Aug 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Pleased with Ralph's statement, it is just 2 or 3 weeks overdue (possibly due to his holiday ?)

It still doesn't explain why so many players wanted to leave,
however looking back, the sale of Luke Shaw after keeping him an extra 2 seasons was good business considering the money we received.
Also selling Ricky was fair enough reward for what he has done for us and at 32 we were looking to replace him anyway.

I believe Adam was influenced by MoPo and his new England colleagues. He has made a big mistake by wanting to leave, but still not sure why the board decided to sell him before RonKo arrived, especially as some of the money went to Bournemouth.

Lovren was clearly influenced by the other three and MoPo leaving. Had the board bought a top CB in to partner him before the World Cup he may well have stayed. However he burnt his bridges and even RonKo saw there was no point in keeping him if his head or heart weren't here.

I can accept the above 4 being sold considering the money received but the one that bewilders me is the sale of Chambers, who I see as a future England CB after gaining experience at RB.
I hope we have a good sell on % because Callum will be worth a lot more than we received for him, it would have been different if the fee was the same as Shaw's.
I would like to hear from Ralph & Les why Chambers was not told to stay along with Morgan & J-Rod. I believe that his has been their only real mistake, along with the lack of communication to us all.

I have been among the critics of Ralph & Les but never believed that Katharina was or is intending to sell, especially after appointing the Koeman Bros.
After over 50 yrs I could only see a missed opportunity for Saints to break into the top six and qualify for Europe. Had we bought more top quality players in before selling it would have been easier to accept as it would have been RonKo building his own team, which he now has the opportunity to do.

However there were costs/debts to be paid off:-
£30m Training/Academy; £27m transfer deficit; plus other debts Cortese incurred that have not been disclosed; plus increased wages for all the clubs employees, players and staff alike.
For this reason I do not expect the board will spend all the transfer funds even with the increased TV income etc.

What is good to here in Ralph's statement is that the intend to have a better team & squad than last season and that Morgan & J-Rod will not be sold, also that we will not have another close season as this one has been.

So looking to bring in TWO new first choice CB's and a TOP STRIKER, plus a GK before the window closes. If Les & Ralph can get these four in then Ralph is right that Saints will be stronger than last season and my disillusionment will have been missed placed.

Ralph has now clearly put his tackle on the block so lets now be patient, especially at the forthcoming home games and show RonKo our support.
Reserve judgement until September 1st, by which time we may all be pleasantly surprised !

COYR&WS
Pleased with Ralph's statement, it is just 2 or 3 weeks overdue (possibly due to his holiday ?) It still doesn't explain why so many players wanted to leave, however looking back, the sale of Luke Shaw after keeping him an extra 2 seasons was good business considering the money we received. Also selling Ricky was fair enough reward for what he has done for us and at 32 we were looking to replace him anyway. I believe Adam was influenced by MoPo and his new England colleagues. He has made a big mistake by wanting to leave, but still not sure why the board decided to sell him before RonKo arrived, especially as some of the money went to Bournemouth. Lovren was clearly influenced by the other three and MoPo leaving. Had the board bought a top CB in to partner him before the World Cup he may well have stayed. However he burnt his bridges and even RonKo saw there was no point in keeping him if his head or heart weren't here. I can accept the above 4 being sold considering the money received but the one that bewilders me is the sale of Chambers, who I see as a future England CB after gaining experience at RB. I hope we have a good sell on % because Callum will be worth a lot more than we received for him, it would have been different if the fee was the same as Shaw's. I would like to hear from Ralph & Les why Chambers was not told to stay along with Morgan & J-Rod. I believe that his has been their only real mistake, along with the lack of communication to us all. I have been among the critics of Ralph & Les but never believed that Katharina was or is intending to sell, especially after appointing the Koeman Bros. After over 50 yrs I could only see a missed opportunity for Saints to break into the top six and qualify for Europe. Had we bought more top quality players in before selling it would have been easier to accept as it would have been RonKo building his own team, which he now has the opportunity to do. However there were costs/debts to be paid off:- £30m Training/Academy; £27m transfer deficit; plus other debts Cortese incurred that have not been disclosed; plus increased wages for all the clubs employees, players and staff alike. For this reason I do not expect the board will spend all the transfer funds even with the increased TV income etc. What is good to here in Ralph's statement is that the intend to have a better team & squad than last season and that Morgan & J-Rod will not be sold, also that we will not have another close season as this one has been. So looking to bring in TWO new first choice CB's and a TOP STRIKER, plus a GK before the window closes. If Les & Ralph can get these four in then Ralph is right that Saints will be stronger than last season and my disillusionment will have been missed placed. Ralph has now clearly put his tackle on the block so lets now be patient, especially at the forthcoming home games and show RonKo our support. Reserve judgement until September 1st, by which time we may all be pleasantly surprised ! COYR&WS NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 3

8:34am Wed 6 Aug 14

jls217 says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
MORE LIES - Stop peddling rubbish Krueger. You have not shown STRONG LEADERSHIP.

BASIC MISTAKES have been made. OWN UP.

You are Propping up the current regime and try to COVER YOUR OWN MISTAKES. LES IMPROVE or PACK YOUR BAGS !!

The BOOKIES have slashed odds on Relegation as the SPINE has been ripped out of the Team - THAT IS NOT A HEALTHY POSITION.

BUY A CB - Additional Number 1 Keeper - and Cover for Top Striker instead of feeding LOYAL SAINTS FANS your Canadian bull**** COYR+WS
Would you care to give detailed evidence of the above accusations please, I am interested in seeing what you base them on and why you have drawn such strong conclusions.

Thanks.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: MORE LIES - Stop peddling rubbish Krueger. You have not shown STRONG LEADERSHIP. BASIC MISTAKES have been made. OWN UP. You are Propping up the current regime and try to COVER YOUR OWN MISTAKES. LES IMPROVE or PACK YOUR BAGS !! The BOOKIES have slashed odds on Relegation as the SPINE has been ripped out of the Team - THAT IS NOT A HEALTHY POSITION. BUY A CB - Additional Number 1 Keeper - and Cover for Top Striker instead of feeding LOYAL SAINTS FANS your Canadian bull**** COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Would you care to give detailed evidence of the above accusations please, I am interested in seeing what you base them on and why you have drawn such strong conclusions. Thanks. jls217
  • Score: 9

8:38am Wed 6 Aug 14

jls217 says...

yellowcard wrote:
I have more faith in these 2 than i did in that money grabbing banker cortese. Bankers ruined our country financially he would of ruined our club the same way. Especially now there will be no more money coming out of kats bank
Only one consonant separates Bankers from something quite insulting - they have earned the right to be that close the hard way.
[quote][p][bold]yellowcard[/bold] wrote: I have more faith in these 2 than i did in that money grabbing banker cortese. Bankers ruined our country financially he would of ruined our club the same way. Especially now there will be no more money coming out of kats bank[/p][/quote]Only one consonant separates Bankers from something quite insulting - they have earned the right to be that close the hard way. jls217
  • Score: 3

8:39am Wed 6 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

...Another Echo typo.
Headline should have read wealthier position, not healthier position.
It was just a missing W, but very important imho.

Wheres Osprey when he is needed.

We are being offered Jam tomorrow..... but what we really want is jam today.
...Another Echo typo. Headline should have read wealthier position, not healthier position. It was just a missing W, but very important imho. Wheres Osprey when he is needed. We are being offered Jam tomorrow..... but what we really want is jam today. costa gaz
  • Score: -14

8:43am Wed 6 Aug 14

lowe esteem says...

fascia123 wrote:
pitbull wrote:
I suppose every club has to have a "baddie" in the ranks who the fans can direct their frustration at.

Les Reed is our "baddie", but when you look at what he has done it's actually not that bad.
To start off with, he was employed by the previous chairman.
It was Reed who discovered the previous manager, not the previous chairman as many like to think.
Rickie was being sold last January and was only kept on due to Osvaldo's behaviour, Reed got good money for a near 32 year old.
Lallana and Lovren wanted out at any cost, they both lost a lot of respect, Reed wanted Lallana to stay but he was having none of it. Reed got exceptional money for both of them.
Chambers and Shaw both wanted out, again, Reed got fantastic money for them and I've no doubt that there is some decent sell on clauses as well.
The only thing Reed has really done wrong is maybe being a bit slow when being duped and lied to by the previous manager, who he also got a decent amount of compensation for.

The players aren't too keen on him because he drives a hard bargain on contract issues, so what, the players play for the club and not Les Reed.

And finally, it was Reed who recruited Big Ron, Tadic, Pelle and Bertrand.
Good post
He likes "POSSIE"
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: I suppose every club has to have a "baddie" in the ranks who the fans can direct their frustration at. Les Reed is our "baddie", but when you look at what he has done it's actually not that bad. To start off with, he was employed by the previous chairman. It was Reed who discovered the previous manager, not the previous chairman as many like to think. Rickie was being sold last January and was only kept on due to Osvaldo's behaviour, Reed got good money for a near 32 year old. Lallana and Lovren wanted out at any cost, they both lost a lot of respect, Reed wanted Lallana to stay but he was having none of it. Reed got exceptional money for both of them. Chambers and Shaw both wanted out, again, Reed got fantastic money for them and I've no doubt that there is some decent sell on clauses as well. The only thing Reed has really done wrong is maybe being a bit slow when being duped and lied to by the previous manager, who he also got a decent amount of compensation for. The players aren't too keen on him because he drives a hard bargain on contract issues, so what, the players play for the club and not Les Reed. And finally, it was Reed who recruited Big Ron, Tadic, Pelle and Bertrand.[/p][/quote]Good post[/p][/quote]He likes "POSSIE" lowe esteem
  • Score: 0

8:44am Wed 6 Aug 14

lowe esteem says...

fascia123 wrote:
Saintade wrote:
Call me a cynic, but I'll keep a copy of this article to flag up when Koeman walks out next summer to a bigger club.
FFS
He Hates "Neggie"
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: Call me a cynic, but I'll keep a copy of this article to flag up when Koeman walks out next summer to a bigger club.[/p][/quote]FFS[/p][/quote]He Hates "Neggie" lowe esteem
  • Score: 2

8:44am Wed 6 Aug 14

jls217 says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Kernowsaints wrote:
sahir taider has completed his medical and signed tonight announcement early tomorrow
Is that right?

That would be good news.
It would be GOOD NEWS .... and currently Saints Fans are starved of any good news.

Just because RK has spoken - a long time after he should have been communicating - don't cling onto FALSE HOPE.

DELIVER THIS WEEK RALPH and LES ..... OR Admit you are a waste of space - the job in football is too BIG for you and resign.

After the FIGHT from League One - the FAIR CITY OF SOUTHAMPTON does not do average ...

SHOULD BE AIMING FOR 5th or 6th in the PREM - A WEMBLEY APPEARANCE - AND EUROPEAN FOOTBALL..

SHOULD BE Talking to the Owner about Stadum Extension and a Medium Term aim of a Larger Stadium ..

SHOULD BE DEVELOPING the North American Market.....

THAT IS THE MESSAGE that SFC is in healthier place - Not bookies slashing the odds massively for THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON to be relegated.

SORT IT FAST RALPH - before a lot of moderate loyal fans turn their back on you and want you GONE !!! COYR+WS
And just how do you know they have not already considered them. Are you included in the board room?
You're quite good at stating the bleeding obvious and making it appear as if it were some original thought of your own.
What you're not too good at working out your own concerns and coming to a rational decision before making hotheaded statements which really don't do you too many favours.
All rather silly really and the only thing it achieves is for most of the posters on here to roll their eyes and dismiss anything you promote. Which is a shame really because I'm sure from time to time you will have something constructive to say and it will fall on deaf ears.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kernowsaints[/bold] wrote: sahir taider has completed his medical and signed tonight announcement early tomorrow[/p][/quote]Is that right? That would be good news.[/p][/quote]It would be GOOD NEWS .... and currently Saints Fans are starved of any good news. Just because RK has spoken - a long time after he should have been communicating - don't cling onto FALSE HOPE. DELIVER THIS WEEK RALPH and LES ..... OR Admit you are a waste of space - the job in football is too BIG for you and resign. After the FIGHT from League One - the FAIR CITY OF SOUTHAMPTON does not do average ... SHOULD BE AIMING FOR 5th or 6th in the PREM - A WEMBLEY APPEARANCE - AND EUROPEAN FOOTBALL.. SHOULD BE Talking to the Owner about Stadum Extension and a Medium Term aim of a Larger Stadium .. SHOULD BE DEVELOPING the North American Market..... THAT IS THE MESSAGE that SFC is in healthier place - Not bookies slashing the odds massively for THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON to be relegated. SORT IT FAST RALPH - before a lot of moderate loyal fans turn their back on you and want you GONE !!! COYR+WS[/p][/quote]And just how do you know they have not already considered them. Are you included in the board room? You're quite good at stating the bleeding obvious and making it appear as if it were some original thought of your own. What you're not too good at working out your own concerns and coming to a rational decision before making hotheaded statements which really don't do you too many favours. All rather silly really and the only thing it achieves is for most of the posters on here to roll their eyes and dismiss anything you promote. Which is a shame really because I'm sure from time to time you will have something constructive to say and it will fall on deaf ears. jls217
  • Score: 9

8:46am Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

jls217 wrote:
yellowcard wrote:
I have more faith in these 2 than i did in that money grabbing banker cortese. Bankers ruined our country financially he would of ruined our club the same way. Especially now there will be no more money coming out of kats bank
Only one consonant separates Bankers from something quite insulting - they have earned the right to be that close the hard way.
Without a doubt, complete and utter, Tos@@rs and NC was apparently a top example of a banker but was most definitely a tip top example of a To@@er.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowcard[/bold] wrote: I have more faith in these 2 than i did in that money grabbing banker cortese. Bankers ruined our country financially he would of ruined our club the same way. Especially now there will be no more money coming out of kats bank[/p][/quote]Only one consonant separates Bankers from something quite insulting - they have earned the right to be that close the hard way.[/p][/quote]Without a doubt, complete and utter, Tos@@rs and NC was apparently a top example of a banker but was most definitely a tip top example of a To@@er. fascia123
  • Score: 1

8:48am Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

jls217 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Kernowsaints wrote:
sahir taider has completed his medical and signed tonight announcement early tomorrow
Is that right?

That would be good news.
It would be GOOD NEWS .... and currently Saints Fans are starved of any good news.

Just because RK has spoken - a long time after he should have been communicating - don't cling onto FALSE HOPE.

DELIVER THIS WEEK RALPH and LES ..... OR Admit you are a waste of space - the job in football is too BIG for you and resign.

After the FIGHT from League One - the FAIR CITY OF SOUTHAMPTON does not do average ...

SHOULD BE AIMING FOR 5th or 6th in the PREM - A WEMBLEY APPEARANCE - AND EUROPEAN FOOTBALL..

SHOULD BE Talking to the Owner about Stadum Extension and a Medium Term aim of a Larger Stadium ..

SHOULD BE DEVELOPING the North American Market.....

THAT IS THE MESSAGE that SFC is in healthier place - Not bookies slashing the odds massively for THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON to be relegated.

SORT IT FAST RALPH - before a lot of moderate loyal fans turn their back on you and want you GONE !!! COYR+WS
And just how do you know they have not already considered them. Are you included in the board room?
You're quite good at stating the bleeding obvious and making it appear as if it were some original thought of your own.
What you're not too good at working out your own concerns and coming to a rational decision before making hotheaded statements which really don't do you too many favours.
All rather silly really and the only thing it achieves is for most of the posters on here to roll their eyes and dismiss anything you promote. Which is a shame really because I'm sure from time to time you will have something constructive to say and it will fall on deaf ears.
Liking it
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kernowsaints[/bold] wrote: sahir taider has completed his medical and signed tonight announcement early tomorrow[/p][/quote]Is that right? That would be good news.[/p][/quote]It would be GOOD NEWS .... and currently Saints Fans are starved of any good news. Just because RK has spoken - a long time after he should have been communicating - don't cling onto FALSE HOPE. DELIVER THIS WEEK RALPH and LES ..... OR Admit you are a waste of space - the job in football is too BIG for you and resign. After the FIGHT from League One - the FAIR CITY OF SOUTHAMPTON does not do average ... SHOULD BE AIMING FOR 5th or 6th in the PREM - A WEMBLEY APPEARANCE - AND EUROPEAN FOOTBALL.. SHOULD BE Talking to the Owner about Stadum Extension and a Medium Term aim of a Larger Stadium .. SHOULD BE DEVELOPING the North American Market..... THAT IS THE MESSAGE that SFC is in healthier place - Not bookies slashing the odds massively for THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON to be relegated. SORT IT FAST RALPH - before a lot of moderate loyal fans turn their back on you and want you GONE !!! COYR+WS[/p][/quote]And just how do you know they have not already considered them. Are you included in the board room? You're quite good at stating the bleeding obvious and making it appear as if it were some original thought of your own. What you're not too good at working out your own concerns and coming to a rational decision before making hotheaded statements which really don't do you too many favours. All rather silly really and the only thing it achieves is for most of the posters on here to roll their eyes and dismiss anything you promote. Which is a shame really because I'm sure from time to time you will have something constructive to say and it will fall on deaf ears.[/p][/quote]Liking it fascia123
  • Score: 1

8:51am Wed 6 Aug 14

InsideOutCat says...

What will it take for some of you lot to stop putting your hands over your ears and screaming "I don't believe you" every time Ralph or Les does what you claim you really want and makes a statement of intent? What's you reasoning? Oh yes, you don't believe them now because you didn't believe them last time. And why was that? Because you chose not to believe them. See any sort of pattern emerging?

What is all this hysterical cr@p about "hurry up and make a marquee signing", "spend the money now" etc? This isn't some silly little kids' computer game, it's about the club you claim you love. Look what happened to Tottenham when they blew the Bale money. Now they're reduced to poaching Pochettino when, if they'd had any sort of future, they could have attracted someone like Koeman. Now they have to offer make-weights as part of any transfer offer because they can't afford the asking price.

Putting together a successful team within a series of long-term constraints, as any responsible business would want to, consists of more than impressing your mates down the pub with how many names from FIFA 14 you've got in your squad.
What will it take for some of you lot to stop putting your hands over your ears and screaming "I don't believe you" every time Ralph or Les does what you claim you really want and makes a statement of intent? What's you reasoning? Oh yes, you don't believe them now because you didn't believe them last time. And why was that? Because you chose not to believe them. See any sort of pattern emerging? What is all this hysterical cr@p about "hurry up and make a marquee signing", "spend the money now" etc? This isn't some silly little kids' computer game, it's about the club you claim you love. Look what happened to Tottenham when they blew the Bale money. Now they're reduced to poaching Pochettino when, if they'd had any sort of future, they could have attracted someone like Koeman. Now they have to offer make-weights as part of any transfer offer because they can't afford the asking price. Putting together a successful team within a series of long-term constraints, as any responsible business would want to, consists of more than impressing your mates down the pub with how many names from FIFA 14 you've got in your squad. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 13

8:51am Wed 6 Aug 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

costa gaz wrote:
...Another Echo typo.
Headline should have read wealthier position, not healthier position.
It was just a missing W, but very important imho.

Wheres Osprey when he is needed.

We are being offered Jam tomorrow..... but what we really want is jam today.
lol! That's good. Hopefully jam tomorrow will be a little more select. Osprey disappeared when he was referred to by one particularly rude poster as 'shitehawk,' although I have a sneaky feeling he's not far away..
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: ...Another Echo typo. Headline should have read wealthier position, not healthier position. It was just a missing W, but very important imho. Wheres Osprey when he is needed. We are being offered Jam tomorrow..... but what we really want is jam today.[/p][/quote]lol! That's good. Hopefully jam tomorrow will be a little more select. Osprey disappeared when he was referred to by one particularly rude poster as 'shitehawk,' although I have a sneaky feeling he's not far away.. Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 2

8:52am Wed 6 Aug 14

jls217 says...

damoose wrote:
How long has he known Les `top players and agents are banging down our door` Reed?
Do you know Les or do you know of Les?

I would guess the short time he as known Les has been intense, he has had to lean on Les during the period of transition and their involvement with each other would surely have been entwined most days for many hours a day - possibly way beyond the hours you would consider it acceptable to work.

I would guess they have been together long enough to have got the measure of each other and whether they can work as a team or not.
What do you think now you have had that simple fact presented to you.
[quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: How long has he known Les `top players and agents are banging down our door` Reed?[/p][/quote]Do you know Les or do you know of Les? I would guess the short time he as known Les has been intense, he has had to lean on Les during the period of transition and their involvement with each other would surely have been entwined most days for many hours a day - possibly way beyond the hours you would consider it acceptable to work. I would guess they have been together long enough to have got the measure of each other and whether they can work as a team or not. What do you think now you have had that simple fact presented to you. jls217
  • Score: 2

8:53am Wed 6 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

Just cannot, for the life of me, believe the bit about Les Reed being so influential in the Luke Shaw matter and that he has proved pivotal to the club’s success.

I know one thing he is very good at and that is convincing some of you that the summer exodus has been great for our club and the players were totally to blame. Well done Les..... you can fool some of the people some of..................
..........
Just cannot, for the life of me, believe the bit about Les Reed being so influential in the Luke Shaw matter and that he has proved pivotal to the club’s success. I know one thing he is very good at and that is convincing some of you that the summer exodus has been great for our club and the players were totally to blame. Well done Les..... you can fool some of the people some of.................. .......... costa gaz
  • Score: -10

8:54am Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

lowe esteem wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Saintade wrote:
Call me a cynic, but I'll keep a copy of this article to flag up when Koeman walks out next summer to a bigger club.
FFS
He Hates "Neggie"
Don't mind negative as long as it has some thought behind it and it is only offered as means to look to improve, a lot of what I see here is a case of if the board/club say white then they should of said black or if they say black it should of been white, doomed if they do doomed if they don't.
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: Call me a cynic, but I'll keep a copy of this article to flag up when Koeman walks out next summer to a bigger club.[/p][/quote]FFS[/p][/quote]He Hates "Neggie"[/p][/quote]Don't mind negative as long as it has some thought behind it and it is only offered as means to look to improve, a lot of what I see here is a case of if the board/club say white then they should of said black or if they say black it should of been white, doomed if they do doomed if they don't. fascia123
  • Score: 4

8:58am Wed 6 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
buckie wrote:
i realise im cynical but are season ticket sales down? seems like king Ralph is making all sorts of noises trying to defend the indefensible with regard to the player sales and non arrivals of new players as Koeman intimated would be finalised over the weekend i realise those in power will not take a blind bit of notice of these threads they should do though as season tickets holders are not fans but customers pretty please can we get some defensive players in we have lost the most promising left back in a generation replaced him with a free transfer also lost the best central defender since Dean Richards only my opinion RIP Deano
Season Ticket Sales are down - young Saints Fans are switching off - Players have been sold in a rush - and very slow to sign.

KING RON KOEMAN looks like a man to deliver - but he cannot work miracles.

There is NO SUCH TERM as king Ralph and on current performance there never will be ...

LES and RALPH should hang their heads in shame and accept a share of the responsibility for brining this Club into CRISIS.
COYR+WS
Again I question how this shows your much vaunted 'passion.'

Last week you criticised the club for silence - when they speak you criticise them for lies; what more do you want (apart from the obvious) ?
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckie[/bold] wrote: i realise im cynical but are season ticket sales down? seems like king Ralph is making all sorts of noises trying to defend the indefensible with regard to the player sales and non arrivals of new players as Koeman intimated would be finalised over the weekend i realise those in power will not take a blind bit of notice of these threads they should do though as season tickets holders are not fans but customers pretty please can we get some defensive players in we have lost the most promising left back in a generation replaced him with a free transfer also lost the best central defender since Dean Richards only my opinion RIP Deano[/p][/quote]Season Ticket Sales are down - young Saints Fans are switching off - Players have been sold in a rush - and very slow to sign. KING RON KOEMAN looks like a man to deliver - but he cannot work miracles. There is NO SUCH TERM as king Ralph and on current performance there never will be ... LES and RALPH should hang their heads in shame and accept a share of the responsibility for brining this Club into CRISIS. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Again I question how this shows your much vaunted 'passion.' Last week you criticised the club for silence - when they speak you criticise them for lies; what more do you want (apart from the obvious) ? Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 7

9:00am Wed 6 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

Enrico Palazzo wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
...Another Echo typo.
Headline should have read wealthier position, not healthier position.
It was just a missing W, but very important imho.

Wheres Osprey when he is needed.

We are being offered Jam tomorrow..... but what we really want is jam today.
lol! That's good. Hopefully jam tomorrow will be a little more select. Osprey disappeared when he was referred to by one particularly rude poster as 'shitehawk,' although I have a sneaky feeling he's not far away..
He'll be back. **** on Osprey wear ar yoo. I need my spellin chekked and I may hav maid a misstake or too.
[quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: ...Another Echo typo. Headline should have read wealthier position, not healthier position. It was just a missing W, but very important imho. Wheres Osprey when he is needed. We are being offered Jam tomorrow..... but what we really want is jam today.[/p][/quote]lol! That's good. Hopefully jam tomorrow will be a little more select. Osprey disappeared when he was referred to by one particularly rude poster as 'shitehawk,' although I have a sneaky feeling he's not far away..[/p][/quote]He'll be back. **** on Osprey wear ar yoo. I need my spellin chekked and I may hav maid a misstake or too. Clever Dick
  • Score: -5

9:02am Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
buckie wrote:
i realise im cynical but are season ticket sales down? seems like king Ralph is making all sorts of noises trying to defend the indefensible with regard to the player sales and non arrivals of new players as Koeman intimated would be finalised over the weekend i realise those in power will not take a blind bit of notice of these threads they should do though as season tickets holders are not fans but customers pretty please can we get some defensive players in we have lost the most promising left back in a generation replaced him with a free transfer also lost the best central defender since Dean Richards only my opinion RIP Deano
Season Ticket Sales are down - young Saints Fans are switching off - Players have been sold in a rush - and very slow to sign.

KING RON KOEMAN looks like a man to deliver - but he cannot work miracles.

There is NO SUCH TERM as king Ralph and on current performance there never will be ...

LES and RALPH should hang their heads in shame and accept a share of the responsibility for brining this Club into CRISIS.
COYR+WS
Again I question how this shows your much vaunted 'passion.'

Last week you criticised the club for silence - when they speak you criticise them for lies; what more do you want (apart from the obvious) ?
Ian Dury could of got an awful lot of new members for his backing band from this site.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckie[/bold] wrote: i realise im cynical but are season ticket sales down? seems like king Ralph is making all sorts of noises trying to defend the indefensible with regard to the player sales and non arrivals of new players as Koeman intimated would be finalised over the weekend i realise those in power will not take a blind bit of notice of these threads they should do though as season tickets holders are not fans but customers pretty please can we get some defensive players in we have lost the most promising left back in a generation replaced him with a free transfer also lost the best central defender since Dean Richards only my opinion RIP Deano[/p][/quote]Season Ticket Sales are down - young Saints Fans are switching off - Players have been sold in a rush - and very slow to sign. KING RON KOEMAN looks like a man to deliver - but he cannot work miracles. There is NO SUCH TERM as king Ralph and on current performance there never will be ... LES and RALPH should hang their heads in shame and accept a share of the responsibility for brining this Club into CRISIS. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Again I question how this shows your much vaunted 'passion.' Last week you criticised the club for silence - when they speak you criticise them for lies; what more do you want (apart from the obvious) ?[/p][/quote]Ian Dury could of got an awful lot of new members for his backing band from this site. fascia123
  • Score: 3

9:04am Wed 6 Aug 14

Mush On The Beach says...

Costa Baz wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers.

Good analogy with NC?
But weren’t the owners that employed the guy in charge coercing him to go fast at all costs to win the Blue Ribbon award for the fastest Atlantic crossing.
Good analogy with NC? ….. probably not.
Good analogy with the Liebherrs? …… probably not.

Are we all back on board the Love Boat yet? as it sets sail in 11 days.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers. Good analogy with NC?[/p][/quote]But weren’t the owners that employed the guy in charge coercing him to go fast at all costs to win the Blue Ribbon award for the fastest Atlantic crossing. Good analogy with NC? ….. probably not. Good analogy with the Liebherrs? …… probably not. Are we all back on board the Love Boat yet? as it sets sail in 11 days. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 3

9:06am Wed 6 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
Class !

Something many posters on here this Summer, simply haven't got !
I missed this comment earlier - it is one of the best I have seen.
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: Class ! Something many posters on here this Summer, simply haven't got ![/p][/quote]I missed this comment earlier - it is one of the best I have seen. Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 1

9:06am Wed 6 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Does anyone know if Osvaldo has signed for Milan yet?
Does anyone know if the two players from Milan are going to be signed today?
Does anyone know if Celtic will lose tonight and will a defeat be followed by two more signings by the end of the week?
Does anyone know many season tickets Saints have sold so far this season as compared to last season?
Does anyone know how many tickets have been sold for the friendly on Saturday?
Does anyone know why there isn't a manufacturers logo on the new Saints kit?
Does anyone know what the weather will be like on Saturday?

All to be revealed in time I suppose

Tick tock, tick tock......Oh the suspense is killing me!
COYR FOADP
Does anyone know if Osvaldo has signed for Milan yet? Does anyone know if the two players from Milan are going to be signed today? Does anyone know if Celtic will lose tonight and will a defeat be followed by two more signings by the end of the week? Does anyone know many season tickets Saints have sold so far this season as compared to last season? Does anyone know how many tickets have been sold for the friendly on Saturday? Does anyone know why there isn't a manufacturers logo on the new Saints kit? Does anyone know what the weather will be like on Saturday? All to be revealed in time I suppose Tick tock, tick tock......Oh the suspense is killing me! COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: 3

9:06am Wed 6 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Enrico Palazzo wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
...Another Echo typo.
Headline should have read wealthier position, not healthier position.
It was just a missing W, but very important imho.

Wheres Osprey when he is needed.

We are being offered Jam tomorrow..... but what we really want is jam today.
lol! That's good. Hopefully jam tomorrow will be a little more select. Osprey disappeared when he was referred to by one particularly rude poster as 'shitehawk,' although I have a sneaky feeling he's not far away..
He'll be back. **** on Osprey wear ar yoo. I need my spellin chekked and I may hav maid a misstake or too.
That's a strange one. The blanked out word is "c o m e". Apologies for the foul language.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: ...Another Echo typo. Headline should have read wealthier position, not healthier position. It was just a missing W, but very important imho. Wheres Osprey when he is needed. We are being offered Jam tomorrow..... but what we really want is jam today.[/p][/quote]lol! That's good. Hopefully jam tomorrow will be a little more select. Osprey disappeared when he was referred to by one particularly rude poster as 'shitehawk,' although I have a sneaky feeling he's not far away..[/p][/quote]He'll be back. **** on Osprey wear ar yoo. I need my spellin chekked and I may hav maid a misstake or too.[/p][/quote]That's a strange one. The blanked out word is "c o m e". Apologies for the foul language. Clever Dick
  • Score: -2

9:11am Wed 6 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

There seems to be a nice cozy little clique forming on this site this summer.
COYR FOADP
There seems to be a nice cozy little clique forming on this site this summer. COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

9:12am Wed 6 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Enrico Palazzo wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
...Another Echo typo.
Headline should have read wealthier position, not healthier position.
It was just a missing W, but very important imho.

Wheres Osprey when he is needed.

We are being offered Jam tomorrow..... but what we really want is jam today.
lol! That's good. Hopefully jam tomorrow will be a little more select. Osprey disappeared when he was referred to by one particularly rude poster as 'shitehawk,' although I have a sneaky feeling he's not far away..
He'll be back. **** on Osprey wear ar yoo. I need my spellin chekked and I may hav maid a misstake or too.
That's a strange one. The blanked out word is "c o m e". Apologies for the foul language.
Tut tut....very naughty
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: ...Another Echo typo. Headline should have read wealthier position, not healthier position. It was just a missing W, but very important imho. Wheres Osprey when he is needed. We are being offered Jam tomorrow..... but what we really want is jam today.[/p][/quote]lol! That's good. Hopefully jam tomorrow will be a little more select. Osprey disappeared when he was referred to by one particularly rude poster as 'shitehawk,' although I have a sneaky feeling he's not far away..[/p][/quote]He'll be back. **** on Osprey wear ar yoo. I need my spellin chekked and I may hav maid a misstake or too.[/p][/quote]That's a strange one. The blanked out word is "c o m e". Apologies for the foul language.[/p][/quote]Tut tut....very naughty J7junctionseven
  • Score: 1

9:13am Wed 6 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

jls217 wrote:
damoose wrote:
How long has he known Les `top players and agents are banging down our door` Reed?
Do you know Les or do you know of Les?

I would guess the short time he as known Les has been intense, he has had to lean on Les during the period of transition and their involvement with each other would surely have been entwined most days for many hours a day - possibly way beyond the hours you would consider it acceptable to work.

I would guess they have been together long enough to have got the measure of each other and whether they can work as a team or not.
What do you think now you have had that simple fact presented to you.
It took me a while, but I am now convinced that jls217,..... is Les Reed

You know more about him than anyone should, you always defend his actions and you won't hear a bad word said against him.

You post so often knowing that your messages will be read and eventually convince some posters/fans that everything is rosy in the garden..... I just knew that there was something not quite right with your mass postings on here.

You have fooled a fair few, but you'll never get me Les 217.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: How long has he known Les `top players and agents are banging down our door` Reed?[/p][/quote]Do you know Les or do you know of Les? I would guess the short time he as known Les has been intense, he has had to lean on Les during the period of transition and their involvement with each other would surely have been entwined most days for many hours a day - possibly way beyond the hours you would consider it acceptable to work. I would guess they have been together long enough to have got the measure of each other and whether they can work as a team or not. What do you think now you have had that simple fact presented to you.[/p][/quote]It took me a while, but I am now convinced that jls217,..... is Les Reed You know more about him than anyone should, you always defend his actions and you won't hear a bad word said against him. You post so often knowing that your messages will be read and eventually convince some posters/fans that everything is rosy in the garden..... I just knew that there was something not quite right with your mass postings on here. You have fooled a fair few, but you'll never get me Les 217. costa gaz
  • Score: -7

9:15am Wed 6 Aug 14

jls217 says...

For those who are concerned at the frequency of information coming from Saints or the lack thereof, are you aware that Saints frequently use Facebook and Youtube as avenues of communications - many of the releases have the films of the interview or subject being discussed. The latest with the coach of the U21 is quite interesting.
There may be other avenues I don't know of also, I only know of these two because I have a daughter who is determined to drag me into the 21st century technologically.
Hope this helps to allay your concerns.
For those who are concerned at the frequency of information coming from Saints or the lack thereof, are you aware that Saints frequently use Facebook and Youtube as avenues of communications - many of the releases have the films of the interview or subject being discussed. The latest with the coach of the U21 is quite interesting. There may be other avenues I don't know of also, I only know of these two because I have a daughter who is determined to drag me into the 21st century technologically. Hope this helps to allay your concerns. jls217
  • Score: 5

9:16am Wed 6 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

jls217 wrote:
For those who are concerned at the frequency of information coming from Saints or the lack thereof, are you aware that Saints frequently use Facebook and Youtube as avenues of communications - many of the releases have the films of the interview or subject being discussed. The latest with the coach of the U21 is quite interesting.
There may be other avenues I don't know of also, I only know of these two because I have a daughter who is determined to drag me into the 21st century technologically.
Hope this helps to allay your concerns.
Thanks Les.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: For those who are concerned at the frequency of information coming from Saints or the lack thereof, are you aware that Saints frequently use Facebook and Youtube as avenues of communications - many of the releases have the films of the interview or subject being discussed. The latest with the coach of the U21 is quite interesting. There may be other avenues I don't know of also, I only know of these two because I have a daughter who is determined to drag me into the 21st century technologically. Hope this helps to allay your concerns.[/p][/quote]Thanks Les. costa gaz
  • Score: -6

9:18am Wed 6 Aug 14

justaSaintsfan says...

InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
Your Titanic analogy is absolutely pathetic and unwelcome. Titanic's unfortunate collision with an iceberg was a terrible disaster in the history of the then town of Southampton. Many of Titanic's crew were Southampton people and some of the former small streets, close to where we these days have St. Marys stadium, lost almost all their men as a result of Titanic's sinking. Those streets became streets full of widows, who suddenly found the rest of their lives much more difficult. My family lost an uncle in the tragedy and my own grandfather, who was fortunately working on a different ship at the time, lost many of his friends and colleagues.

The terrible loss of so many lives when Titanic sank cannot possibly be compared to anything that has been happening at SFC. You need to get a grip on reality.

I note that you call yourself "InCortesewetrust." Nicola Cortese abandoned Saints. If Saints had meant enough to Nicola, surely he would still be at the club. He isn't. Les Reed is still doing his best to help improve SFC. There is a while to go before we see the full result of the club's dealings in the current transfer window. Your stated opinion of Les Reed is therefore somewhat premature.

All any of us Saints fans can do is wait and see what happens.

Up the Saints!!!
[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]Your Titanic analogy is absolutely pathetic and unwelcome. Titanic's unfortunate collision with an iceberg was a terrible disaster in the history of the then town of Southampton. Many of Titanic's crew were Southampton people and some of the former small streets, close to where we these days have St. Marys stadium, lost almost all their men as a result of Titanic's sinking. Those streets became streets full of widows, who suddenly found the rest of their lives much more difficult. My family lost an uncle in the tragedy and my own grandfather, who was fortunately working on a different ship at the time, lost many of his friends and colleagues. The terrible loss of so many lives when Titanic sank cannot possibly be compared to anything that has been happening at SFC. You need to get a grip on reality. I note that you call yourself "InCortesewetrust." Nicola Cortese abandoned Saints. If Saints had meant enough to Nicola, surely he would still be at the club. He isn't. Les Reed is still doing his best to help improve SFC. There is a while to go before we see the full result of the club's dealings in the current transfer window. Your stated opinion of Les Reed is therefore somewhat premature. All any of us Saints fans can do is wait and see what happens. Up the Saints!!! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 8

9:19am Wed 6 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

More bold statements from King Ralph. I think its a bit early for back slapping and fawning praise but if Les delivers then good. It is easy to forget but the first real match is just ten days away.

I'm prepared to go along with all this happy clapping, after all, why not? I have just one niggly query. Players on loan can be good economically but if they turn out to be truly brilliant will they actually sign for us? If that is all tied up in the loan contract then well done to the legal boys.

It all stirs up the posters on here though doesn't it? But when it all comes down to it ther's a simple fact we all have to accept. We don't know what's going on. What's happening?
More bold statements from King Ralph. I think its a bit early for back slapping and fawning praise but if Les delivers then good. It is easy to forget but the first real match is just ten days away. I'm prepared to go along with all this happy clapping, after all, why not? I have just one niggly query. Players on loan can be good economically but if they turn out to be truly brilliant will they actually sign for us? If that is all tied up in the loan contract then well done to the legal boys. It all stirs up the posters on here though doesn't it? But when it all comes down to it ther's a simple fact we all have to accept. We don't know what's going on. What's happening? Alicesdad
  • Score: -2

9:20am Wed 6 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

costa gaz wrote:
jls217 wrote:
For those who are concerned at the frequency of information coming from Saints or the lack thereof, are you aware that Saints frequently use Facebook and Youtube as avenues of communications - many of the releases have the films of the interview or subject being discussed. The latest with the coach of the U21 is quite interesting.
There may be other avenues I don't know of also, I only know of these two because I have a daughter who is determined to drag me into the 21st century technologically.
Hope this helps to allay your concerns.
Thanks Les.
I'm Les Reedicus!
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: For those who are concerned at the frequency of information coming from Saints or the lack thereof, are you aware that Saints frequently use Facebook and Youtube as avenues of communications - many of the releases have the films of the interview or subject being discussed. The latest with the coach of the U21 is quite interesting. There may be other avenues I don't know of also, I only know of these two because I have a daughter who is determined to drag me into the 21st century technologically. Hope this helps to allay your concerns.[/p][/quote]Thanks Les.[/p][/quote]I'm Les Reedicus! J7junctionseven
  • Score: 2

9:20am Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
Your Titanic analogy is absolutely pathetic and unwelcome. Titanic's unfortunate collision with an iceberg was a terrible disaster in the history of the then town of Southampton. Many of Titanic's crew were Southampton people and some of the former small streets, close to where we these days have St. Marys stadium, lost almost all their men as a result of Titanic's sinking. Those streets became streets full of widows, who suddenly found the rest of their lives much more difficult. My family lost an uncle in the tragedy and my own grandfather, who was fortunately working on a different ship at the time, lost many of his friends and colleagues.

The terrible loss of so many lives when Titanic sank cannot possibly be compared to anything that has been happening at SFC. You need to get a grip on reality.

I note that you call yourself "InCortesewetru
st." Nicola Cortese abandoned Saints. If Saints had meant enough to Nicola, surely he would still be at the club. He isn't. Les Reed is still doing his best to help improve SFC. There is a while to go before we see the full result of the club's dealings in the current transfer window. Your stated opinion of Les Reed is therefore somewhat premature.

All any of us Saints fans can do is wait and see what happens.

Up the Saints!!!
Nice one, well said sir.
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]Your Titanic analogy is absolutely pathetic and unwelcome. Titanic's unfortunate collision with an iceberg was a terrible disaster in the history of the then town of Southampton. Many of Titanic's crew were Southampton people and some of the former small streets, close to where we these days have St. Marys stadium, lost almost all their men as a result of Titanic's sinking. Those streets became streets full of widows, who suddenly found the rest of their lives much more difficult. My family lost an uncle in the tragedy and my own grandfather, who was fortunately working on a different ship at the time, lost many of his friends and colleagues. The terrible loss of so many lives when Titanic sank cannot possibly be compared to anything that has been happening at SFC. You need to get a grip on reality. I note that you call yourself "InCortesewetru st." Nicola Cortese abandoned Saints. If Saints had meant enough to Nicola, surely he would still be at the club. He isn't. Les Reed is still doing his best to help improve SFC. There is a while to go before we see the full result of the club's dealings in the current transfer window. Your stated opinion of Les Reed is therefore somewhat premature. All any of us Saints fans can do is wait and see what happens. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]Nice one, well said sir. fascia123
  • Score: 2

9:22am Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Alicesdad wrote:
More bold statements from King Ralph. I think its a bit early for back slapping and fawning praise but if Les delivers then good. It is easy to forget but the first real match is just ten days away.

I'm prepared to go along with all this happy clapping, after all, why not? I have just one niggly query. Players on loan can be good economically but if they turn out to be truly brilliant will they actually sign for us? If that is all tied up in the loan contract then well done to the legal boys.

It all stirs up the posters on here though doesn't it? But when it all comes down to it ther's a simple fact we all have to accept. We don't know what's going on. What's happening?
If they are in their opinion brilliant and they are on your books surely this season proves they leave anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: More bold statements from King Ralph. I think its a bit early for back slapping and fawning praise but if Les delivers then good. It is easy to forget but the first real match is just ten days away. I'm prepared to go along with all this happy clapping, after all, why not? I have just one niggly query. Players on loan can be good economically but if they turn out to be truly brilliant will they actually sign for us? If that is all tied up in the loan contract then well done to the legal boys. It all stirs up the posters on here though doesn't it? But when it all comes down to it ther's a simple fact we all have to accept. We don't know what's going on. What's happening?[/p][/quote]If they are in their opinion brilliant and they are on your books surely this season proves they leave anyway. fascia123
  • Score: 1

9:24am Wed 6 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

Alicesdad wrote:
More bold statements from King Ralph. I think its a bit early for back slapping and fawning praise but if Les delivers then good. It is easy to forget but the first real match is just ten days away.

I'm prepared to go along with all this happy clapping, after all, why not? I have just one niggly query. Players on loan can be good economically but if they turn out to be truly brilliant will they actually sign for us? If that is all tied up in the loan contract then well done to the legal boys.

It all stirs up the posters on here though doesn't it? But when it all comes down to it ther's a simple fact we all have to accept. We don't know what's going on. What's happening?
I think this term 'happy clapping' needs to go. Many of the posters on here are pragmatists, and post based on what they read and hear. If it comes to the 1st September and we have not reinvested our money many of the so called 'HCs' will be on here asking questions of the club, and quite rightly so. Today the news is positive so lets get behind the whole club!

You are right about the Echo stirring it up - the word 'hails' is of course a red rag to a bull for some!
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: More bold statements from King Ralph. I think its a bit early for back slapping and fawning praise but if Les delivers then good. It is easy to forget but the first real match is just ten days away. I'm prepared to go along with all this happy clapping, after all, why not? I have just one niggly query. Players on loan can be good economically but if they turn out to be truly brilliant will they actually sign for us? If that is all tied up in the loan contract then well done to the legal boys. It all stirs up the posters on here though doesn't it? But when it all comes down to it ther's a simple fact we all have to accept. We don't know what's going on. What's happening?[/p][/quote]I think this term 'happy clapping' needs to go. Many of the posters on here are pragmatists, and post based on what they read and hear. If it comes to the 1st September and we have not reinvested our money many of the so called 'HCs' will be on here asking questions of the club, and quite rightly so. Today the news is positive so lets get behind the whole club! You are right about the Echo stirring it up - the word 'hails' is of course a red rag to a bull for some! Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 2

9:26am Wed 6 Aug 14

Sammy2sheds says...

costa gaz wrote:
jls217 wrote:
damoose wrote:
How long has he known Les `top players and agents are banging down our door` Reed?
Do you know Les or do you know of Les?

I would guess the short time he as known Les has been intense, he has had to lean on Les during the period of transition and their involvement with each other would surely have been entwined most days for many hours a day - possibly way beyond the hours you would consider it acceptable to work.

I would guess they have been together long enough to have got the measure of each other and whether they can work as a team or not.
What do you think now you have had that simple fact presented to you.
It took me a while, but I am now convinced that jls217,..... is Les Reed

You know more about him than anyone should, you always defend his actions and you won't hear a bad word said against him.

You post so often knowing that your messages will be read and eventually convince some posters/fans that everything is rosy in the garden..... I just knew that there was something not quite right with your mass postings on here.

You have fooled a fair few, but you'll never get me Les 217.
I said this a while ago.if you read his posts they have a corporate pr twang to them and he gets really upset at any talk of les reed being incompetent.read his later post about avenues of communication with the fan base.he is les for sure.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: How long has he known Les `top players and agents are banging down our door` Reed?[/p][/quote]Do you know Les or do you know of Les? I would guess the short time he as known Les has been intense, he has had to lean on Les during the period of transition and their involvement with each other would surely have been entwined most days for many hours a day - possibly way beyond the hours you would consider it acceptable to work. I would guess they have been together long enough to have got the measure of each other and whether they can work as a team or not. What do you think now you have had that simple fact presented to you.[/p][/quote]It took me a while, but I am now convinced that jls217,..... is Les Reed You know more about him than anyone should, you always defend his actions and you won't hear a bad word said against him. You post so often knowing that your messages will be read and eventually convince some posters/fans that everything is rosy in the garden..... I just knew that there was something not quite right with your mass postings on here. You have fooled a fair few, but you'll never get me Les 217.[/p][/quote]I said this a while ago.if you read his posts they have a corporate pr twang to them and he gets really upset at any talk of les reed being incompetent.read his later post about avenues of communication with the fan base.he is les for sure. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -7

9:31am Wed 6 Aug 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
More bold statements from King Ralph. I think its a bit early for back slapping and fawning praise but if Les delivers then good. It is easy to forget but the first real match is just ten days away.

I'm prepared to go along with all this happy clapping, after all, why not? I have just one niggly query. Players on loan can be good economically but if they turn out to be truly brilliant will they actually sign for us? If that is all tied up in the loan contract then well done to the legal boys.

It all stirs up the posters on here though doesn't it? But when it all comes down to it ther's a simple fact we all have to accept. We don't know what's going on. What's happening?
I think this term 'happy clapping' needs to go. Many of the posters on here are pragmatists, and post based on what they read and hear. If it comes to the 1st September and we have not reinvested our money many of the so called 'HCs' will be on here asking questions of the club, and quite rightly so. Today the news is positive so lets get behind the whole club!

You are right about the Echo stirring it up - the word 'hails' is of course a red rag to a bull for some!
No the if we don't invest by the 1 of September the happy clappers will not come on here and ask questions.
They will blindly follow and make up excuses for the board.the level of brainwashing some of them have is breathtaking.ralph himself doesn't believe half the crap that some posters do.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: More bold statements from King Ralph. I think its a bit early for back slapping and fawning praise but if Les delivers then good. It is easy to forget but the first real match is just ten days away. I'm prepared to go along with all this happy clapping, after all, why not? I have just one niggly query. Players on loan can be good economically but if they turn out to be truly brilliant will they actually sign for us? If that is all tied up in the loan contract then well done to the legal boys. It all stirs up the posters on here though doesn't it? But when it all comes down to it ther's a simple fact we all have to accept. We don't know what's going on. What's happening?[/p][/quote]I think this term 'happy clapping' needs to go. Many of the posters on here are pragmatists, and post based on what they read and hear. If it comes to the 1st September and we have not reinvested our money many of the so called 'HCs' will be on here asking questions of the club, and quite rightly so. Today the news is positive so lets get behind the whole club! You are right about the Echo stirring it up - the word 'hails' is of course a red rag to a bull for some![/p][/quote]No the if we don't invest by the 1 of September the happy clappers will not come on here and ask questions. They will blindly follow and make up excuses for the board.the level of brainwashing some of them have is breathtaking.ralph himself doesn't believe half the crap that some posters do. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -5

9:33am Wed 6 Aug 14

long memory says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
“You can say ‘I’m not happy that Luke Shaw was sold this summer’, but Luke Shaw might have been gone two years ago if it wasn’t for Les.”

For me the only sale which didn't make much financial sense was Chambers, given his reported ability to play at CB and RB.
This is how I see what LR carried out two years ago.Both LS and CC where coming up for their 17th birthdays,and like Theo could have refused to sign their pro forms,and could have walked away from the club,leaving us with next to nothing in transfer fees. So maybe LR persuaded them to sign a contract,on the basis that at a certain age,they could activate on a sell out clause which they have both done,but instead of us getting a few million two years ago, we landed up, not only keeping their services for another two years,but pocketing approx £45 million in the process. If my theory is somewhere near plausible,I think we should be giving LR a lot of credit,instead of just keep coming out with negatives about the guy.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: “You can say ‘I’m not happy that Luke Shaw was sold this summer’, but Luke Shaw might have been gone two years ago if it wasn’t for Les.” For me the only sale which didn't make much financial sense was Chambers, given his reported ability to play at CB and RB.[/p][/quote]This is how I see what LR carried out two years ago.Both LS and CC where coming up for their 17th birthdays,and like Theo could have refused to sign their pro forms,and could have walked away from the club,leaving us with next to nothing in transfer fees. So maybe LR persuaded them to sign a contract,on the basis that at a certain age,they could activate on a sell out clause which they have both done,but instead of us getting a few million two years ago, we landed up, not only keeping their services for another two years,but pocketing approx £45 million in the process. If my theory is somewhere near plausible,I think we should be giving LR a lot of credit,instead of just keep coming out with negatives about the guy. long memory
  • Score: 10

9:35am Wed 6 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
More bold statements from King Ralph. I think its a bit early for back slapping and fawning praise but if Les delivers then good. It is easy to forget but the first real match is just ten days away.

I'm prepared to go along with all this happy clapping, after all, why not? I have just one niggly query. Players on loan can be good economically but if they turn out to be truly brilliant will they actually sign for us? If that is all tied up in the loan contract then well done to the legal boys.

It all stirs up the posters on here though doesn't it? But when it all comes down to it ther's a simple fact we all have to accept. We don't know what's going on. What's happening?
I think this term 'happy clapping' needs to go. Many of the posters on here are pragmatists, and post based on what they read and hear. If it comes to the 1st September and we have not reinvested our money many of the so called 'HCs' will be on here asking questions of the club, and quite rightly so. Today the news is positive so lets get behind the whole club!

You are right about the Echo stirring it up - the word 'hails' is of course a red rag to a bull for some!
No the if we don't invest by the 1 of September the happy clappers will not come on here and ask questions.
They will blindly follow and make up excuses for the board.the level of brainwashing some of them have is breathtaking.ralph himself doesn't believe half the crap that some posters do.
Time will tell. I for one (along with RoKo I hope!) will be asking serious questions if our cheque book remains empty, but I don't expect it will. I do think it will take time though.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: More bold statements from King Ralph. I think its a bit early for back slapping and fawning praise but if Les delivers then good. It is easy to forget but the first real match is just ten days away. I'm prepared to go along with all this happy clapping, after all, why not? I have just one niggly query. Players on loan can be good economically but if they turn out to be truly brilliant will they actually sign for us? If that is all tied up in the loan contract then well done to the legal boys. It all stirs up the posters on here though doesn't it? But when it all comes down to it ther's a simple fact we all have to accept. We don't know what's going on. What's happening?[/p][/quote]I think this term 'happy clapping' needs to go. Many of the posters on here are pragmatists, and post based on what they read and hear. If it comes to the 1st September and we have not reinvested our money many of the so called 'HCs' will be on here asking questions of the club, and quite rightly so. Today the news is positive so lets get behind the whole club! You are right about the Echo stirring it up - the word 'hails' is of course a red rag to a bull for some![/p][/quote]No the if we don't invest by the 1 of September the happy clappers will not come on here and ask questions. They will blindly follow and make up excuses for the board.the level of brainwashing some of them have is breathtaking.ralph himself doesn't believe half the crap that some posters do.[/p][/quote]Time will tell. I for one (along with RoKo I hope!) will be asking serious questions if our cheque book remains empty, but I don't expect it will. I do think it will take time though. Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 0

9:37am Wed 6 Aug 14

Chipmonk1 says...

Seems we need Forster to have a mare and Celtic to get knocked out of the CL and force a fire sale north of the border. Hopefully saga can do a job for us again.
Seems we need Forster to have a mare and Celtic to get knocked out of the CL and force a fire sale north of the border. Hopefully saga can do a job for us again. Chipmonk1
  • Score: 3

9:37am Wed 6 Aug 14

Bassett Boy says...

I can't believe some of the rubbish posted on here.
There's so much paranoia that everyone in the game is trying to sabotage us, from the owner through to the board, the players, past and present, agents, press etc etc.
Everybody seems to know better than the people who are actually doing the job. I doubt many of the posters have even met a professional footballer, let alone held contract discussions with one, or their agents! How about contact with the owners , chairmen & managers of other clubs? Or operating a business with a multi-million pound turnover, trying to make it sustainable and successful whilst attempting to keep +30,000 fans happy!
Let's assume for one moment that the owner & the board are:
1) competent professionals and are aware of all the facts (something that we are not!)
2) not working to a hidden agenda
3) telling the truth
I for one am prepared to accept that what is being told to us, is the truth, that they are trying to ensure a long term successful future for the club and they are not being helped in this by countless criticism and personal abuse from "fans"
I can't believe some of the rubbish posted on here. There's so much paranoia that everyone in the game is trying to sabotage us, from the owner through to the board, the players, past and present, agents, press etc etc. Everybody seems to know better than the people who are actually doing the job. I doubt many of the posters have even met a professional footballer, let alone held contract discussions with one, or their agents! How about contact with the owners , chairmen & managers of other clubs? Or operating a business with a multi-million pound turnover, trying to make it sustainable and successful whilst attempting to keep +30,000 fans happy! Let's assume for one moment that the owner & the board are: 1) competent professionals and are aware of all the facts (something that we are not!) 2) not working to a hidden agenda 3) telling the truth I for one am prepared to accept that what is being told to us, is the truth, that they are trying to ensure a long term successful future for the club and they are not being helped in this by countless criticism and personal abuse from "fans" Bassett Boy
  • Score: 25

9:39am Wed 6 Aug 14

Chapperall says...

I wish Kruger would stop treating the Saints fans as idiots. It has been obvious to many that during the transfer debacle that Reed lost total control of the situation. Yes we got good money for them but the team is ripped apart and is currently below the quality of last season. This means we could be in for a tough ride as most teams have strengthened .
If Reed knows so much about football how come he allows release of a player before we find a replacement it's just poor business.
The supporters have lost a lot of faith in the board and it will take a lot to change our opinions. A run of poor results will quickly see the fans turn on the board. The only way they can demonstrate to the fans that they actually mean what they say is to spend the cash they have in the bank and bring in some top players very soon!
I wish Kruger would stop treating the Saints fans as idiots. It has been obvious to many that during the transfer debacle that Reed lost total control of the situation. Yes we got good money for them but the team is ripped apart and is currently below the quality of last season. This means we could be in for a tough ride as most teams have strengthened . If Reed knows so much about football how come he allows release of a player before we find a replacement it's just poor business. The supporters have lost a lot of faith in the board and it will take a lot to change our opinions. A run of poor results will quickly see the fans turn on the board. The only way they can demonstrate to the fans that they actually mean what they say is to spend the cash they have in the bank and bring in some top players very soon! Chapperall
  • Score: -2

9:41am Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

long memory wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
“You can say ‘I’m not happy that Luke Shaw was sold this summer’, but Luke Shaw might have been gone two years ago if it wasn’t for Les.”

For me the only sale which didn't make much financial sense was Chambers, given his reported ability to play at CB and RB.
This is how I see what LR carried out two years ago.Both LS and CC where coming up for their 17th birthdays,and like Theo could have refused to sign their pro forms,and could have walked away from the club,leaving us with next to nothing in transfer fees. So maybe LR persuaded them to sign a contract,on the basis that at a certain age,they could activate on a sell out clause which they have both done,but instead of us getting a few million two years ago, we landed up, not only keeping their services for another two years,but pocketing approx £45 million in the process. If my theory is somewhere near plausible,I think we should be giving LR a lot of credit,instead of just keep coming out with negatives about the guy.
All round win win, good for the club and probably at the career stage they were at good for the youngsters as well.

Positivity, wait for it here they come the prophets of doom descend upon us.
[quote][p][bold]long memory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: “You can say ‘I’m not happy that Luke Shaw was sold this summer’, but Luke Shaw might have been gone two years ago if it wasn’t for Les.” For me the only sale which didn't make much financial sense was Chambers, given his reported ability to play at CB and RB.[/p][/quote]This is how I see what LR carried out two years ago.Both LS and CC where coming up for their 17th birthdays,and like Theo could have refused to sign their pro forms,and could have walked away from the club,leaving us with next to nothing in transfer fees. So maybe LR persuaded them to sign a contract,on the basis that at a certain age,they could activate on a sell out clause which they have both done,but instead of us getting a few million two years ago, we landed up, not only keeping their services for another two years,but pocketing approx £45 million in the process. If my theory is somewhere near plausible,I think we should be giving LR a lot of credit,instead of just keep coming out with negatives about the guy.[/p][/quote]All round win win, good for the club and probably at the career stage they were at good for the youngsters as well. Positivity, wait for it here they come the prophets of doom descend upon us. fascia123
  • Score: 5

9:42am Wed 6 Aug 14

MANAUTOS says...

Bassett Boy wrote:
I can't believe some of the rubbish posted on here.
There's so much paranoia that everyone in the game is trying to sabotage us, from the owner through to the board, the players, past and present, agents, press etc etc.
Everybody seems to know better than the people who are actually doing the job. I doubt many of the posters have even met a professional footballer, let alone held contract discussions with one, or their agents! How about contact with the owners , chairmen & managers of other clubs? Or operating a business with a multi-million pound turnover, trying to make it sustainable and successful whilst attempting to keep +30,000 fans happy!
Let's assume for one moment that the owner & the board are:
1) competent professionals and are aware of all the facts (something that we are not!)
2) not working to a hidden agenda
3) telling the truth
I for one am prepared to accept that what is being told to us, is the truth, that they are trying to ensure a long term successful future for the club and they are not being helped in this by countless criticism and personal abuse from "fans"
Well said
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Boy[/bold] wrote: I can't believe some of the rubbish posted on here. There's so much paranoia that everyone in the game is trying to sabotage us, from the owner through to the board, the players, past and present, agents, press etc etc. Everybody seems to know better than the people who are actually doing the job. I doubt many of the posters have even met a professional footballer, let alone held contract discussions with one, or their agents! How about contact with the owners , chairmen & managers of other clubs? Or operating a business with a multi-million pound turnover, trying to make it sustainable and successful whilst attempting to keep +30,000 fans happy! Let's assume for one moment that the owner & the board are: 1) competent professionals and are aware of all the facts (something that we are not!) 2) not working to a hidden agenda 3) telling the truth I for one am prepared to accept that what is being told to us, is the truth, that they are trying to ensure a long term successful future for the club and they are not being helped in this by countless criticism and personal abuse from "fans"[/p][/quote]Well said MANAUTOS
  • Score: 6

9:42am Wed 6 Aug 14

george chivers says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football ..............

How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ?

It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side !

The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ?

Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost.

At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces !

I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ...............

Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone !

Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits .................

If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same ..............
And so will I. But I will always be sceptical until there is a proof statement to back up the bluster. Points on the board. And a statement from the owner about the medium/long term objectives of the club.

As long as that is missing I will criticise.
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football .............. How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ? It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side ! The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ? Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost. At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces ! I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ............... Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone ! Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits ................. If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same ..............[/p][/quote]And so will I. But I will always be sceptical until there is a proof statement to back up the bluster. Points on the board. And a statement from the owner about the medium/long term objectives of the club. As long as that is missing I will criticise. george chivers
  • Score: -1

9:45am Wed 6 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

george chivers wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football ..............

How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ?

It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side !

The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ?

Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost.

At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces !

I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ...............

Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone !

Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits .................

If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same ..............
And so will I. But I will always be sceptical until there is a proof statement to back up the bluster. Points on the board. And a statement from the owner about the medium/long term objectives of the club.

As long as that is missing I will criticise.
Points on the board? That is a bit harsh to ask in pre-season.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football .............. How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ? It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side ! The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ? Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost. At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces ! I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ............... Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone ! Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits ................. If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same ..............[/p][/quote]And so will I. But I will always be sceptical until there is a proof statement to back up the bluster. Points on the board. And a statement from the owner about the medium/long term objectives of the club. As long as that is missing I will criticise.[/p][/quote]Points on the board? That is a bit harsh to ask in pre-season. Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 2

9:47am Wed 6 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
More bold statements from King Ralph. I think its a bit early for back slapping and fawning praise but if Les delivers then good. It is easy to forget but the first real match is just ten days away.

I'm prepared to go along with all this happy clapping, after all, why not? I have just one niggly query. Players on loan can be good economically but if they turn out to be truly brilliant will they actually sign for us? If that is all tied up in the loan contract then well done to the legal boys.

It all stirs up the posters on here though doesn't it? But when it all comes down to it ther's a simple fact we all have to accept. We don't know what's going on. What's happening?
I think this term 'happy clapping' needs to go. Many of the posters on here are pragmatists, and post based on what they read and hear. If it comes to the 1st September and we have not reinvested our money many of the so called 'HCs' will be on here asking questions of the club, and quite rightly so. Today the news is positive so lets get behind the whole club!

You are right about the Echo stirring it up - the word 'hails' is of course a red rag to a bull for some!
Good post. And I'm 'surprised' that some people who call themselves positive or happy seem to be quicker to hurl insults or pick fights or score points, or create divides, or dismiss the old regime as average. To me these seem quite negative traits for unwaveringly positive people.

Some good statements from Ralph here and he's said several times, as Les Reed has, that he wants to be judged on actions, which is only sensible.

I'm sure we will have positive news in the coming weeks and feel more positive as the new faces join the club (I don't think anyone doubts that new signings will be made).

However, I won't be judging the depth of the squad until well into the new season. Obviously you'll get an idea from the first few games, but I don't think we can make an intelligent judgement (only an emotional reaction) until we've seen them play Premier League football for a number of weeks.

I can make a judgement on Shaw, Adam and the rest because I've seen them as players and characters. I can't compare them with players I've not seen play competitively. I clearly hope they are a revelation. Certainly Tadic, JWP and Isgrove will be exciting to watch this season and probably Pelle and Taider too.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: More bold statements from King Ralph. I think its a bit early for back slapping and fawning praise but if Les delivers then good. It is easy to forget but the first real match is just ten days away. I'm prepared to go along with all this happy clapping, after all, why not? I have just one niggly query. Players on loan can be good economically but if they turn out to be truly brilliant will they actually sign for us? If that is all tied up in the loan contract then well done to the legal boys. It all stirs up the posters on here though doesn't it? But when it all comes down to it ther's a simple fact we all have to accept. We don't know what's going on. What's happening?[/p][/quote]I think this term 'happy clapping' needs to go. Many of the posters on here are pragmatists, and post based on what they read and hear. If it comes to the 1st September and we have not reinvested our money many of the so called 'HCs' will be on here asking questions of the club, and quite rightly so. Today the news is positive so lets get behind the whole club! You are right about the Echo stirring it up - the word 'hails' is of course a red rag to a bull for some![/p][/quote]Good post. And I'm 'surprised' that some people who call themselves positive or happy seem to be quicker to hurl insults or pick fights or score points, or create divides, or dismiss the old regime as average. To me these seem quite negative traits for unwaveringly positive people. Some good statements from Ralph here and he's said several times, as Les Reed has, that he wants to be judged on actions, which is only sensible. I'm sure we will have positive news in the coming weeks and feel more positive as the new faces join the club (I don't think anyone doubts that new signings will be made). However, I won't be judging the depth of the squad until well into the new season. Obviously you'll get an idea from the first few games, but I don't think we can make an intelligent judgement (only an emotional reaction) until we've seen them play Premier League football for a number of weeks. I can make a judgement on Shaw, Adam and the rest because I've seen them as players and characters. I can't compare them with players I've not seen play competitively. I clearly hope they are a revelation. Certainly Tadic, JWP and Isgrove will be exciting to watch this season and probably Pelle and Taider too. SaintJD
  • Score: 3

9:49am Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

MANAUTOS wrote:
Bassett Boy wrote:
I can't believe some of the rubbish posted on here.
There's so much paranoia that everyone in the game is trying to sabotage us, from the owner through to the board, the players, past and present, agents, press etc etc.
Everybody seems to know better than the people who are actually doing the job. I doubt many of the posters have even met a professional footballer, let alone held contract discussions with one, or their agents! How about contact with the owners , chairmen & managers of other clubs? Or operating a business with a multi-million pound turnover, trying to make it sustainable and successful whilst attempting to keep +30,000 fans happy!
Let's assume for one moment that the owner & the board are:
1) competent professionals and are aware of all the facts (something that we are not!)
2) not working to a hidden agenda
3) telling the truth
I for one am prepared to accept that what is being told to us, is the truth, that they are trying to ensure a long term successful future for the club and they are not being helped in this by countless criticism and personal abuse from "fans"
Well said
It is a bit like running a multi million pound company being on here and listening to all the criticism of the establishment, I can tell you from experience everyone always knows better than you but although they would like the reward that comes with it they would not take the risks and the pressure.
[quote][p][bold]MANAUTOS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Boy[/bold] wrote: I can't believe some of the rubbish posted on here. There's so much paranoia that everyone in the game is trying to sabotage us, from the owner through to the board, the players, past and present, agents, press etc etc. Everybody seems to know better than the people who are actually doing the job. I doubt many of the posters have even met a professional footballer, let alone held contract discussions with one, or their agents! How about contact with the owners , chairmen & managers of other clubs? Or operating a business with a multi-million pound turnover, trying to make it sustainable and successful whilst attempting to keep +30,000 fans happy! Let's assume for one moment that the owner & the board are: 1) competent professionals and are aware of all the facts (something that we are not!) 2) not working to a hidden agenda 3) telling the truth I for one am prepared to accept that what is being told to us, is the truth, that they are trying to ensure a long term successful future for the club and they are not being helped in this by countless criticism and personal abuse from "fans"[/p][/quote]Well said[/p][/quote]It is a bit like running a multi million pound company being on here and listening to all the criticism of the establishment, I can tell you from experience everyone always knows better than you but although they would like the reward that comes with it they would not take the risks and the pressure. fascia123
  • Score: 4

9:49am Wed 6 Aug 14

Egomaniac says...

For C****t's sake doom mongers! Give it a rest please!

All this c**p about selling our best players blah blah blah. Listen up for heaven's sake. Those players - our so called best - no longer wanted to play for Saints. They had their heads turned in Brazil and brought that discontent back to the Club influencing some of our better youngsters. Let's get real - we do NOT want players here who don't want to play for the Club. So the Board did the right thing, grasped the nettle and sold them for massively inflated prices - especially Shaw. That is good business and is to be commended.

Now we have a new and experienced manager who I believe is quietly going about his business in rebuilding our great Club. Give him and the Board a chance. Yes, we may struggle this season, but I do not see us going down, and once RK has got a firm grip on the management and players, I fully expect a rise back up the table to where I believe we belong.

So, Doom Mongers - show some faith - shut it and wait and see. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised …………!!
For C****t's sake doom mongers! Give it a rest please! All this c**p about selling our best players blah blah blah. Listen up for heaven's sake. Those players - our so called best - no longer wanted to play for Saints. They had their heads turned in Brazil and brought that discontent back to the Club influencing some of our better youngsters. Let's get real - we do NOT want players here who don't want to play for the Club. So the Board did the right thing, grasped the nettle and sold them for massively inflated prices - especially Shaw. That is good business and is to be commended. Now we have a new and experienced manager who I believe is quietly going about his business in rebuilding our great Club. Give him and the Board a chance. Yes, we may struggle this season, but I do not see us going down, and once RK has got a firm grip on the management and players, I fully expect a rise back up the table to where I believe we belong. So, Doom Mongers - show some faith - shut it and wait and see. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised …………!! Egomaniac
  • Score: 17

9:54am Wed 6 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

SaintJD wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
More bold statements from King Ralph. I think its a bit early for back slapping and fawning praise but if Les delivers then good. It is easy to forget but the first real match is just ten days away.

I'm prepared to go along with all this happy clapping, after all, why not? I have just one niggly query. Players on loan can be good economically but if they turn out to be truly brilliant will they actually sign for us? If that is all tied up in the loan contract then well done to the legal boys.

It all stirs up the posters on here though doesn't it? But when it all comes down to it ther's a simple fact we all have to accept. We don't know what's going on. What's happening?
I think this term 'happy clapping' needs to go. Many of the posters on here are pragmatists, and post based on what they read and hear. If it comes to the 1st September and we have not reinvested our money many of the so called 'HCs' will be on here asking questions of the club, and quite rightly so. Today the news is positive so lets get behind the whole club!

You are right about the Echo stirring it up - the word 'hails' is of course a red rag to a bull for some!
Good post. And I'm 'surprised' that some people who call themselves positive or happy seem to be quicker to hurl insults or pick fights or score points, or create divides, or dismiss the old regime as average. To me these seem quite negative traits for unwaveringly positive people.

Some good statements from Ralph here and he's said several times, as Les Reed has, that he wants to be judged on actions, which is only sensible.

I'm sure we will have positive news in the coming weeks and feel more positive as the new faces join the club (I don't think anyone doubts that new signings will be made).

However, I won't be judging the depth of the squad until well into the new season. Obviously you'll get an idea from the first few games, but I don't think we can make an intelligent judgement (only an emotional reaction) until we've seen them play Premier League football for a number of weeks.

I can make a judgement on Shaw, Adam and the rest because I've seen them as players and characters. I can't compare them with players I've not seen play competitively. I clearly hope they are a revelation. Certainly Tadic, JWP and Isgrove will be exciting to watch this season and probably Pelle and Taider too.
Quite agree. All we can do at the moment is, as you say, make emotional reactions but I do choose to believe what the club is saying. I expect us to sign Forster which I think will be great news.

I really do think that the exodus this Summer is more to do with players/agents than the club wanting money, after all we've invested in a first rate manager and spent 20 million or so already.

That is a great point about not knowing the depth of the squad until we've played a few games and we see how new players adapt. I do still feel we have a good nucleus to the team, but you hope that at some point RoKo/Les/RK have sat down and RoKo has said; this is the basis of my side, this is where I need strengthening and these are the players I would like - go et 'em!
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: More bold statements from King Ralph. I think its a bit early for back slapping and fawning praise but if Les delivers then good. It is easy to forget but the first real match is just ten days away. I'm prepared to go along with all this happy clapping, after all, why not? I have just one niggly query. Players on loan can be good economically but if they turn out to be truly brilliant will they actually sign for us? If that is all tied up in the loan contract then well done to the legal boys. It all stirs up the posters on here though doesn't it? But when it all comes down to it ther's a simple fact we all have to accept. We don't know what's going on. What's happening?[/p][/quote]I think this term 'happy clapping' needs to go. Many of the posters on here are pragmatists, and post based on what they read and hear. If it comes to the 1st September and we have not reinvested our money many of the so called 'HCs' will be on here asking questions of the club, and quite rightly so. Today the news is positive so lets get behind the whole club! You are right about the Echo stirring it up - the word 'hails' is of course a red rag to a bull for some![/p][/quote]Good post. And I'm 'surprised' that some people who call themselves positive or happy seem to be quicker to hurl insults or pick fights or score points, or create divides, or dismiss the old regime as average. To me these seem quite negative traits for unwaveringly positive people. Some good statements from Ralph here and he's said several times, as Les Reed has, that he wants to be judged on actions, which is only sensible. I'm sure we will have positive news in the coming weeks and feel more positive as the new faces join the club (I don't think anyone doubts that new signings will be made). However, I won't be judging the depth of the squad until well into the new season. Obviously you'll get an idea from the first few games, but I don't think we can make an intelligent judgement (only an emotional reaction) until we've seen them play Premier League football for a number of weeks. I can make a judgement on Shaw, Adam and the rest because I've seen them as players and characters. I can't compare them with players I've not seen play competitively. I clearly hope they are a revelation. Certainly Tadic, JWP and Isgrove will be exciting to watch this season and probably Pelle and Taider too.[/p][/quote]Quite agree. All we can do at the moment is, as you say, make emotional reactions but I do choose to believe what the club is saying. I expect us to sign Forster which I think will be great news. I really do think that the exodus this Summer is more to do with players/agents than the club wanting money, after all we've invested in a first rate manager and spent 20 million or so already. That is a great point about not knowing the depth of the squad until we've played a few games and we see how new players adapt. I do still feel we have a good nucleus to the team, but you hope that at some point RoKo/Les/RK have sat down and RoKo has said; this is the basis of my side, this is where I need strengthening and these are the players I would like - go et 'em! Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 2

9:55am Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Egomaniac wrote:
For C****t's sake doom mongers! Give it a rest please!

All this c**p about selling our best players blah blah blah. Listen up for heaven's sake. Those players - our so called best - no longer wanted to play for Saints. They had their heads turned in Brazil and brought that discontent back to the Club influencing some of our better youngsters. Let's get real - we do NOT want players here who don't want to play for the Club. So the Board did the right thing, grasped the nettle and sold them for massively inflated prices - especially Shaw. That is good business and is to be commended.

Now we have a new and experienced manager who I believe is quietly going about his business in rebuilding our great Club. Give him and the Board a chance. Yes, we may struggle this season, but I do not see us going down, and once RK has got a firm grip on the management and players, I fully expect a rise back up the table to where I believe we belong.

So, Doom Mongers - show some faith - shut it and wait and see. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised …………!!
Nice one.

Absolutely spot on.
[quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: For C****t's sake doom mongers! Give it a rest please! All this c**p about selling our best players blah blah blah. Listen up for heaven's sake. Those players - our so called best - no longer wanted to play for Saints. They had their heads turned in Brazil and brought that discontent back to the Club influencing some of our better youngsters. Let's get real - we do NOT want players here who don't want to play for the Club. So the Board did the right thing, grasped the nettle and sold them for massively inflated prices - especially Shaw. That is good business and is to be commended. Now we have a new and experienced manager who I believe is quietly going about his business in rebuilding our great Club. Give him and the Board a chance. Yes, we may struggle this season, but I do not see us going down, and once RK has got a firm grip on the management and players, I fully expect a rise back up the table to where I believe we belong. So, Doom Mongers - show some faith - shut it and wait and see. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised …………!![/p][/quote]Nice one. Absolutely spot on. fascia123
  • Score: 5

9:56am Wed 6 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

MANAUTOS wrote:
Bassett Boy wrote:
I can't believe some of the rubbish posted on here.
There's so much paranoia that everyone in the game is trying to sabotage us, from the owner through to the board, the players, past and present, agents, press etc etc.
Everybody seems to know better than the people who are actually doing the job. I doubt many of the posters have even met a professional footballer, let alone held contract discussions with one, or their agents! How about contact with the owners , chairmen & managers of other clubs? Or operating a business with a multi-million pound turnover, trying to make it sustainable and successful whilst attempting to keep +30,000 fans happy!
Let's assume for one moment that the owner & the board are:
1) competent professionals and are aware of all the facts (something that we are not!)
2) not working to a hidden agenda
3) telling the truth
I for one am prepared to accept that what is being told to us, is the truth, that they are trying to ensure a long term successful future for the club and they are not being helped in this by countless criticism and personal abuse from "fans"
Well said
Indeed, although some might say that without the intervention of fan reaction and possibly the manager throwing his toys out of the pram Morgan and J-Rod could be gone by now. It's a balancing act. Which is why taking a balanced look at things is so important I feel. Forcing yourself to be either negative or brainwashed by PR is divisive.

I have an open mind on everything but my support of Saints, which will not alter. While Ralph's quotes are very welcome and positive I will also take into account that he earns money as a motivational speaker for business people and, as he's suggested, I'll judge him on actions rather than sound bites. I think the players would say the same.
[quote][p][bold]MANAUTOS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Boy[/bold] wrote: I can't believe some of the rubbish posted on here. There's so much paranoia that everyone in the game is trying to sabotage us, from the owner through to the board, the players, past and present, agents, press etc etc. Everybody seems to know better than the people who are actually doing the job. I doubt many of the posters have even met a professional footballer, let alone held contract discussions with one, or their agents! How about contact with the owners , chairmen & managers of other clubs? Or operating a business with a multi-million pound turnover, trying to make it sustainable and successful whilst attempting to keep +30,000 fans happy! Let's assume for one moment that the owner & the board are: 1) competent professionals and are aware of all the facts (something that we are not!) 2) not working to a hidden agenda 3) telling the truth I for one am prepared to accept that what is being told to us, is the truth, that they are trying to ensure a long term successful future for the club and they are not being helped in this by countless criticism and personal abuse from "fans"[/p][/quote]Well said[/p][/quote]Indeed, although some might say that without the intervention of fan reaction and possibly the manager throwing his toys out of the pram Morgan and J-Rod could be gone by now. It's a balancing act. Which is why taking a balanced look at things is so important I feel. Forcing yourself to be either negative or brainwashed by PR is divisive. I have an open mind on everything but my support of Saints, which will not alter. While Ralph's quotes are very welcome and positive I will also take into account that he earns money as a motivational speaker for business people and, as he's suggested, I'll judge him on actions rather than sound bites. I think the players would say the same. SaintJD
  • Score: 7

9:58am Wed 6 Aug 14

Confucious says...

Two particular pieces from the press coverage today caught my attention.....

"Saints...has an owner who is passionate, loves the team, loves the people and loves what her father passed onto her."

"When she sees 30,000 people having pleasure watching the team perform it makes her happy in the memory of why her father invested in the first place."

I think this is underlined by the fact that, despite not being a footie fan at all in the past, Katherina came over for our home matches last season to support the team.

The most unpleasant aspect of the involuntary alliance on here between the sad WUMs, visiting skates and, it has to be said, many frustrated genuine Saints fans with a legitimate point of view, has been the personal abuse of the owner. That taints the legacy that Markus left and is entirely unsupported by evidence. It is also potentially very destructive.

No WUMs or skates of course at St Marys where I'm sure the rest of us will come together again, put aside the differences and support the club and the team.
Two particular pieces from the press coverage today caught my attention..... "Saints...has an owner who is passionate, loves the team, loves the people and loves what her father passed onto her." "When she sees 30,000 people having pleasure watching the team perform it makes her happy in the memory of why her father invested in the first place." I think this is underlined by the fact that, despite not being a footie fan at all in the past, Katherina came over for our home matches last season to support the team. The most unpleasant aspect of the involuntary alliance on here between the sad WUMs, visiting skates and, it has to be said, many frustrated genuine Saints fans with a legitimate point of view, has been the personal abuse of the owner. That taints the legacy that Markus left and is entirely unsupported by evidence. It is also potentially very destructive. No WUMs or skates of course at St Marys where I'm sure the rest of us will come together again, put aside the differences and support the club and the team. Confucious
  • Score: 21

10:00am Wed 6 Aug 14

lowe esteem says...

Draw your own opinions, and keep searching for the truth Saints fans, nothing to be gained by slagging off your fellow fans surely?
Rant and rave all you like at the Polar Opties and Pessies, but you gain nothing.
I don't think any supporter /sane human being would question that ripping the heart out of a young and improving squad was achieved for financial prudence or gain, but it's the reasoning behind it that will come out in due course. The fact that many individuals have been seen to be greedy proves nothing. Whatever your viewpoint, we start the season some steps back from where we were throughout and at close of play last season. Now those of you who were excited, even ecstatic at our final position or progress up to that point have every reason to be aggrieved, more so those who have invested in season tickets or sponsorship.
I am starting to buy into some of the reasoning and logic behind this unprecedented lack of activity, but I am disturbed that these noises are not coming from the club, just parties with an 'interest' -so I believe it continues to be handled badly and clumsily. Either way, fans are generally being taken as mugs.
As a Saints Fan I am very concerned that those within the club do not seem to appreciate how easy it could be to become embroiled in a 'relegation scrap, though I'm sure they may have been told of the implications £.
Saints Forever.
Draw your own opinions, and keep searching for the truth Saints fans, nothing to be gained by slagging off your fellow fans surely? Rant and rave all you like at the Polar Opties and Pessies, but you gain nothing. I don't think any supporter /sane human being would question that ripping the heart out of a young and improving squad was achieved for financial prudence or gain, but it's the reasoning behind it that will come out in due course. The fact that many individuals have been seen to be greedy proves nothing. Whatever your viewpoint, we start the season some steps back from where we were throughout and at close of play last season. Now those of you who were excited, even ecstatic at our final position or progress up to that point have every reason to be aggrieved, more so those who have invested in season tickets or sponsorship. I am starting to buy into some of the reasoning and logic behind this unprecedented lack of activity, but I am disturbed that these noises are not coming from the club, just parties with an 'interest' -so I believe it continues to be handled badly and clumsily. Either way, fans are generally being taken as mugs. As a Saints Fan I am very concerned that those within the club do not seem to appreciate how easy it could be to become embroiled in a 'relegation scrap, though I'm sure they may have been told of the implications £. Saints Forever. lowe esteem
  • Score: 1

10:01am Wed 6 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

SaintJD wrote:
MANAUTOS wrote:
Bassett Boy wrote:
I can't believe some of the rubbish posted on here.
There's so much paranoia that everyone in the game is trying to sabotage us, from the owner through to the board, the players, past and present, agents, press etc etc.
Everybody seems to know better than the people who are actually doing the job. I doubt many of the posters have even met a professional footballer, let alone held contract discussions with one, or their agents! How about contact with the owners , chairmen & managers of other clubs? Or operating a business with a multi-million pound turnover, trying to make it sustainable and successful whilst attempting to keep +30,000 fans happy!
Let's assume for one moment that the owner & the board are:
1) competent professionals and are aware of all the facts (something that we are not!)
2) not working to a hidden agenda
3) telling the truth
I for one am prepared to accept that what is being told to us, is the truth, that they are trying to ensure a long term successful future for the club and they are not being helped in this by countless criticism and personal abuse from "fans"
Well said
Indeed, although some might say that without the intervention of fan reaction and possibly the manager throwing his toys out of the pram Morgan and J-Rod could be gone by now. It's a balancing act. Which is why taking a balanced look at things is so important I feel. Forcing yourself to be either negative or brainwashed by PR is divisive.

I have an open mind on everything but my support of Saints, which will not alter. While Ralph's quotes are very welcome and positive I will also take into account that he earns money as a motivational speaker for business people and, as he's suggested, I'll judge him on actions rather than sound bites. I think the players would say the same.
Well said
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MANAUTOS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Boy[/bold] wrote: I can't believe some of the rubbish posted on here. There's so much paranoia that everyone in the game is trying to sabotage us, from the owner through to the board, the players, past and present, agents, press etc etc. Everybody seems to know better than the people who are actually doing the job. I doubt many of the posters have even met a professional footballer, let alone held contract discussions with one, or their agents! How about contact with the owners , chairmen & managers of other clubs? Or operating a business with a multi-million pound turnover, trying to make it sustainable and successful whilst attempting to keep +30,000 fans happy! Let's assume for one moment that the owner & the board are: 1) competent professionals and are aware of all the facts (something that we are not!) 2) not working to a hidden agenda 3) telling the truth I for one am prepared to accept that what is being told to us, is the truth, that they are trying to ensure a long term successful future for the club and they are not being helped in this by countless criticism and personal abuse from "fans"[/p][/quote]Well said[/p][/quote]Indeed, although some might say that without the intervention of fan reaction and possibly the manager throwing his toys out of the pram Morgan and J-Rod could be gone by now. It's a balancing act. Which is why taking a balanced look at things is so important I feel. Forcing yourself to be either negative or brainwashed by PR is divisive. I have an open mind on everything but my support of Saints, which will not alter. While Ralph's quotes are very welcome and positive I will also take into account that he earns money as a motivational speaker for business people and, as he's suggested, I'll judge him on actions rather than sound bites. I think the players would say the same.[/p][/quote]Well said J7junctionseven
  • Score: 3

10:02am Wed 6 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

SaintJD wrote:
MANAUTOS wrote:
Bassett Boy wrote:
I can't believe some of the rubbish posted on here.
There's so much paranoia that everyone in the game is trying to sabotage us, from the owner through to the board, the players, past and present, agents, press etc etc.
Everybody seems to know better than the people who are actually doing the job. I doubt many of the posters have even met a professional footballer, let alone held contract discussions with one, or their agents! How about contact with the owners , chairmen & managers of other clubs? Or operating a business with a multi-million pound turnover, trying to make it sustainable and successful whilst attempting to keep +30,000 fans happy!
Let's assume for one moment that the owner & the board are:
1) competent professionals and are aware of all the facts (something that we are not!)
2) not working to a hidden agenda
3) telling the truth
I for one am prepared to accept that what is being told to us, is the truth, that they are trying to ensure a long term successful future for the club and they are not being helped in this by countless criticism and personal abuse from "fans"
Well said
Indeed, although some might say that without the intervention of fan reaction and possibly the manager throwing his toys out of the pram Morgan and J-Rod could be gone by now. It's a balancing act. Which is why taking a balanced look at things is so important I feel. Forcing yourself to be either negative or brainwashed by PR is divisive.

I have an open mind on everything but my support of Saints, which will not alter. While Ralph's quotes are very welcome and positive I will also take into account that he earns money as a motivational speaker for business people and, as he's suggested, I'll judge him on actions rather than sound bites. I think the players would say the same.
Top, top post.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MANAUTOS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Boy[/bold] wrote: I can't believe some of the rubbish posted on here. There's so much paranoia that everyone in the game is trying to sabotage us, from the owner through to the board, the players, past and present, agents, press etc etc. Everybody seems to know better than the people who are actually doing the job. I doubt many of the posters have even met a professional footballer, let alone held contract discussions with one, or their agents! How about contact with the owners , chairmen & managers of other clubs? Or operating a business with a multi-million pound turnover, trying to make it sustainable and successful whilst attempting to keep +30,000 fans happy! Let's assume for one moment that the owner & the board are: 1) competent professionals and are aware of all the facts (something that we are not!) 2) not working to a hidden agenda 3) telling the truth I for one am prepared to accept that what is being told to us, is the truth, that they are trying to ensure a long term successful future for the club and they are not being helped in this by countless criticism and personal abuse from "fans"[/p][/quote]Well said[/p][/quote]Indeed, although some might say that without the intervention of fan reaction and possibly the manager throwing his toys out of the pram Morgan and J-Rod could be gone by now. It's a balancing act. Which is why taking a balanced look at things is so important I feel. Forcing yourself to be either negative or brainwashed by PR is divisive. I have an open mind on everything but my support of Saints, which will not alter. While Ralph's quotes are very welcome and positive I will also take into account that he earns money as a motivational speaker for business people and, as he's suggested, I'll judge him on actions rather than sound bites. I think the players would say the same.[/p][/quote]Top, top post. Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 3

10:02am Wed 6 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

lowe esteem wrote:
Draw your own opinions, and keep searching for the truth Saints fans, nothing to be gained by slagging off your fellow fans surely?
Rant and rave all you like at the Polar Opties and Pessies, but you gain nothing.
I don't think any supporter /sane human being would question that ripping the heart out of a young and improving squad was achieved for financial prudence or gain, but it's the reasoning behind it that will come out in due course. The fact that many individuals have been seen to be greedy proves nothing. Whatever your viewpoint, we start the season some steps back from where we were throughout and at close of play last season. Now those of you who were excited, even ecstatic at our final position or progress up to that point have every reason to be aggrieved, more so those who have invested in season tickets or sponsorship.
I am starting to buy into some of the reasoning and logic behind this unprecedented lack of activity, but I am disturbed that these noises are not coming from the club, just parties with an 'interest' -so I believe it continues to be handled badly and clumsily. Either way, fans are generally being taken as mugs.
As a Saints Fan I am very concerned that those within the club do not seem to appreciate how easy it could be to become embroiled in a 'relegation scrap, though I'm sure they may have been told of the implications £.
Saints Forever.
Well said
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: Draw your own opinions, and keep searching for the truth Saints fans, nothing to be gained by slagging off your fellow fans surely? Rant and rave all you like at the Polar Opties and Pessies, but you gain nothing. I don't think any supporter /sane human being would question that ripping the heart out of a young and improving squad was achieved for financial prudence or gain, but it's the reasoning behind it that will come out in due course. The fact that many individuals have been seen to be greedy proves nothing. Whatever your viewpoint, we start the season some steps back from where we were throughout and at close of play last season. Now those of you who were excited, even ecstatic at our final position or progress up to that point have every reason to be aggrieved, more so those who have invested in season tickets or sponsorship. I am starting to buy into some of the reasoning and logic behind this unprecedented lack of activity, but I am disturbed that these noises are not coming from the club, just parties with an 'interest' -so I believe it continues to be handled badly and clumsily. Either way, fans are generally being taken as mugs. As a Saints Fan I am very concerned that those within the club do not seem to appreciate how easy it could be to become embroiled in a 'relegation scrap, though I'm sure they may have been told of the implications £. Saints Forever.[/p][/quote]Well said J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

10:04am Wed 6 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

fascia123 wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
For C****t's sake doom mongers! Give it a rest please!

All this c**p about selling our best players blah blah blah. Listen up for heaven's sake. Those players - our so called best - no longer wanted to play for Saints. They had their heads turned in Brazil and brought that discontent back to the Club influencing some of our better youngsters. Let's get real - we do NOT want players here who don't want to play for the Club. So the Board did the right thing, grasped the nettle and sold them for massively inflated prices - especially Shaw. That is good business and is to be commended.

Now we have a new and experienced manager who I believe is quietly going about his business in rebuilding our great Club. Give him and the Board a chance. Yes, we may struggle this season, but I do not see us going down, and once RK has got a firm grip on the management and players, I fully expect a rise back up the table to where I believe we belong.

So, Doom Mongers - show some faith - shut it and wait and see. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised …………!!
Nice one.

Absolutely spot on.
Yep another positive person using the words 'shut it' 'doom-mongers' 'give it a rest' 'C*****ts' 'c**p' to convey his positive, happy message. I'm beginning to develop a theory that the self-named happy people on here are actually the biggest spreaders of negative energy and division on this site. Work that one out.

Other than that you make some really good points about the football side of things, although there is an argument it is a bit 'chicken and egg' on the player discontent thing.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: For C****t's sake doom mongers! Give it a rest please! All this c**p about selling our best players blah blah blah. Listen up for heaven's sake. Those players - our so called best - no longer wanted to play for Saints. They had their heads turned in Brazil and brought that discontent back to the Club influencing some of our better youngsters. Let's get real - we do NOT want players here who don't want to play for the Club. So the Board did the right thing, grasped the nettle and sold them for massively inflated prices - especially Shaw. That is good business and is to be commended. Now we have a new and experienced manager who I believe is quietly going about his business in rebuilding our great Club. Give him and the Board a chance. Yes, we may struggle this season, but I do not see us going down, and once RK has got a firm grip on the management and players, I fully expect a rise back up the table to where I believe we belong. So, Doom Mongers - show some faith - shut it and wait and see. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised …………!![/p][/quote]Nice one. Absolutely spot on.[/p][/quote]Yep another positive person using the words 'shut it' 'doom-mongers' 'give it a rest' 'C*****ts' 'c**p' to convey his positive, happy message. I'm beginning to develop a theory that the self-named happy people on here are actually the biggest spreaders of negative energy and division on this site. Work that one out. Other than that you make some really good points about the football side of things, although there is an argument it is a bit 'chicken and egg' on the player discontent thing. SaintJD
  • Score: -7

10:14am Wed 6 Aug 14

Saints n Winners says...

Costa Baz wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers.

Good analogy with NC?
If Cortese was so bad and the books were showing clear dangers ahead, why did KL want to keep him so badly?

A simple question!
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers. Good analogy with NC?[/p][/quote]If Cortese was so bad and the books were showing clear dangers ahead, why did KL want to keep him so badly? A simple question! Saints n Winners
  • Score: -2

10:15am Wed 6 Aug 14

jls217 says...

SaintJD wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
For C****t's sake doom mongers! Give it a rest please!

All this c**p about selling our best players blah blah blah. Listen up for heaven's sake. Those players - our so called best - no longer wanted to play for Saints. They had their heads turned in Brazil and brought that discontent back to the Club influencing some of our better youngsters. Let's get real - we do NOT want players here who don't want to play for the Club. So the Board did the right thing, grasped the nettle and sold them for massively inflated prices - especially Shaw. That is good business and is to be commended.

Now we have a new and experienced manager who I believe is quietly going about his business in rebuilding our great Club. Give him and the Board a chance. Yes, we may struggle this season, but I do not see us going down, and once RK has got a firm grip on the management and players, I fully expect a rise back up the table to where I believe we belong.

So, Doom Mongers - show some faith - shut it and wait and see. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised …………!!
Nice one.

Absolutely spot on.
Yep another positive person using the words 'shut it' 'doom-mongers' 'give it a rest' 'C*****ts' 'c**p' to convey his positive, happy message. I'm beginning to develop a theory that the self-named happy people on here are actually the biggest spreaders of negative energy and division on this site. Work that one out.

Other than that you make some really good points about the football side of things, although there is an argument it is a bit 'chicken and egg' on the player discontent thing.
Maybe it's a cry of exasperation. How many times and how many different ways can a voice of calm thoughtfulness be used to deflect histrionic, ill conceived, ill considered, foolish, ignorant outbursts of pure conjecture.
It is inevitable that at some point even the most rations is going to conclude - FFS and give the individual both barrels.

Not defending merely trying to explain as I have allso felt this way from time to time.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: For C****t's sake doom mongers! Give it a rest please! All this c**p about selling our best players blah blah blah. Listen up for heaven's sake. Those players - our so called best - no longer wanted to play for Saints. They had their heads turned in Brazil and brought that discontent back to the Club influencing some of our better youngsters. Let's get real - we do NOT want players here who don't want to play for the Club. So the Board did the right thing, grasped the nettle and sold them for massively inflated prices - especially Shaw. That is good business and is to be commended. Now we have a new and experienced manager who I believe is quietly going about his business in rebuilding our great Club. Give him and the Board a chance. Yes, we may struggle this season, but I do not see us going down, and once RK has got a firm grip on the management and players, I fully expect a rise back up the table to where I believe we belong. So, Doom Mongers - show some faith - shut it and wait and see. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised …………!![/p][/quote]Nice one. Absolutely spot on.[/p][/quote]Yep another positive person using the words 'shut it' 'doom-mongers' 'give it a rest' 'C*****ts' 'c**p' to convey his positive, happy message. I'm beginning to develop a theory that the self-named happy people on here are actually the biggest spreaders of negative energy and division on this site. Work that one out. Other than that you make some really good points about the football side of things, although there is an argument it is a bit 'chicken and egg' on the player discontent thing.[/p][/quote]Maybe it's a cry of exasperation. How many times and how many different ways can a voice of calm thoughtfulness be used to deflect histrionic, ill conceived, ill considered, foolish, ignorant outbursts of pure conjecture. It is inevitable that at some point even the most rations is going to conclude - FFS and give the individual both barrels. Not defending merely trying to explain as I have allso felt this way from time to time. jls217
  • Score: 5

10:15am Wed 6 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Confucious wrote:
Two particular pieces from the press coverage today caught my attention.....

"Saints...has an owner who is passionate, loves the team, loves the people and loves what her father passed onto her."

"When she sees 30,000 people having pleasure watching the team perform it makes her happy in the memory of why her father invested in the first place."

I think this is underlined by the fact that, despite not being a footie fan at all in the past, Katherina came over for our home matches last season to support the team.

The most unpleasant aspect of the involuntary alliance on here between the sad WUMs, visiting skates and, it has to be said, many frustrated genuine Saints fans with a legitimate point of view, has been the personal abuse of the owner. That taints the legacy that Markus left and is entirely unsupported by evidence. It is also potentially very destructive.

No WUMs or skates of course at St Marys where I'm sure the rest of us will come together again, put aside the differences and support the club and the team.
Yeah, have to agree. Few and far between, but there have been some nasty personal comments on here from genuine Saints fans in the direction of Katherina and it makes me feel a bit sick when I read them, particularly a little nickname people seem to throw about without thinking. She and her family have done amazing things for our club while chairman and staff have come and gone. I just hope she is treated with the respect and love she deserves when she attends home games, regardless of how things turn out.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Two particular pieces from the press coverage today caught my attention..... "Saints...has an owner who is passionate, loves the team, loves the people and loves what her father passed onto her." "When she sees 30,000 people having pleasure watching the team perform it makes her happy in the memory of why her father invested in the first place." I think this is underlined by the fact that, despite not being a footie fan at all in the past, Katherina came over for our home matches last season to support the team. The most unpleasant aspect of the involuntary alliance on here between the sad WUMs, visiting skates and, it has to be said, many frustrated genuine Saints fans with a legitimate point of view, has been the personal abuse of the owner. That taints the legacy that Markus left and is entirely unsupported by evidence. It is also potentially very destructive. No WUMs or skates of course at St Marys where I'm sure the rest of us will come together again, put aside the differences and support the club and the team.[/p][/quote]Yeah, have to agree. Few and far between, but there have been some nasty personal comments on here from genuine Saints fans in the direction of Katherina and it makes me feel a bit sick when I read them, particularly a little nickname people seem to throw about without thinking. She and her family have done amazing things for our club while chairman and staff have come and gone. I just hope she is treated with the respect and love she deserves when she attends home games, regardless of how things turn out. SaintJD
  • Score: 5

10:17am Wed 6 Aug 14

Egomaniac says...

SaintJD wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
For C****t's sake doom mongers! Give it a rest please!

All this c**p about selling our best players blah blah blah. Listen up for heaven's sake. Those players - our so called best - no longer wanted to play for Saints. They had their heads turned in Brazil and brought that discontent back to the Club influencing some of our better youngsters. Let's get real - we do NOT want players here who don't want to play for the Club. So the Board did the right thing, grasped the nettle and sold them for massively inflated prices - especially Shaw. That is good business and is to be commended.

Now we have a new and experienced manager who I believe is quietly going about his business in rebuilding our great Club. Give him and the Board a chance. Yes, we may struggle this season, but I do not see us going down, and once RK has got a firm grip on the management and players, I fully expect a rise back up the table to where I believe we belong.

So, Doom Mongers - show some faith - shut it and wait and see. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised …………!!
Nice one.

Absolutely spot on.
Yep another positive person using the words 'shut it' 'doom-mongers' 'give it a rest' 'C*****ts' 'c**p' to convey his positive, happy message. I'm beginning to develop a theory that the self-named happy people on here are actually the biggest spreaders of negative energy and division on this site. Work that one out.

Other than that you make some really good points about the football side of things, although there is an argument it is a bit 'chicken and egg' on the player discontent thing.
Hi SaintJD! I take your point, but in fairness to me if you check back over the months/years i have been posting, you will not find any 'expletives' among my offerings. It is not normally my nature, but I have chided the abuse aimed at the Club's owner, which I felt was cowardly (under usernames!) and inappropriate. I have always used moderate language to 'pen' my views

However, I have been reading article after article where all the anti - Board posters have been issuing their poison and abuse, and I finally lost my rag!!

Sorry about that - I will be more moderate in the future - I promise!!
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: For C****t's sake doom mongers! Give it a rest please! All this c**p about selling our best players blah blah blah. Listen up for heaven's sake. Those players - our so called best - no longer wanted to play for Saints. They had their heads turned in Brazil and brought that discontent back to the Club influencing some of our better youngsters. Let's get real - we do NOT want players here who don't want to play for the Club. So the Board did the right thing, grasped the nettle and sold them for massively inflated prices - especially Shaw. That is good business and is to be commended. Now we have a new and experienced manager who I believe is quietly going about his business in rebuilding our great Club. Give him and the Board a chance. Yes, we may struggle this season, but I do not see us going down, and once RK has got a firm grip on the management and players, I fully expect a rise back up the table to where I believe we belong. So, Doom Mongers - show some faith - shut it and wait and see. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised …………!![/p][/quote]Nice one. Absolutely spot on.[/p][/quote]Yep another positive person using the words 'shut it' 'doom-mongers' 'give it a rest' 'C*****ts' 'c**p' to convey his positive, happy message. I'm beginning to develop a theory that the self-named happy people on here are actually the biggest spreaders of negative energy and division on this site. Work that one out. Other than that you make some really good points about the football side of things, although there is an argument it is a bit 'chicken and egg' on the player discontent thing.[/p][/quote]Hi SaintJD! I take your point, but in fairness to me if you check back over the months/years i have been posting, you will not find any 'expletives' among my offerings. It is not normally my nature, but I have chided the abuse aimed at the Club's owner, which I felt was cowardly (under usernames!) and inappropriate. I have always used moderate language to 'pen' my views However, I have been reading article after article where all the anti - Board posters have been issuing their poison and abuse, and I finally lost my rag!! Sorry about that - I will be more moderate in the future - I promise!! Egomaniac
  • Score: 5

10:18am Wed 6 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Costa Baz wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers.

Good analogy with NC?
We haven't hit the iceberg yet,and now there a different captain.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers. Good analogy with NC?[/p][/quote]We haven't hit the iceberg yet,and now there a different captain. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

10:20am Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

jls217 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
For C****t's sake doom mongers! Give it a rest please!

All this c**p about selling our best players blah blah blah. Listen up for heaven's sake. Those players - our so called best - no longer wanted to play for Saints. They had their heads turned in Brazil and brought that discontent back to the Club influencing some of our better youngsters. Let's get real - we do NOT want players here who don't want to play for the Club. So the Board did the right thing, grasped the nettle and sold them for massively inflated prices - especially Shaw. That is good business and is to be commended.

Now we have a new and experienced manager who I believe is quietly going about his business in rebuilding our great Club. Give him and the Board a chance. Yes, we may struggle this season, but I do not see us going down, and once RK has got a firm grip on the management and players, I fully expect a rise back up the table to where I believe we belong.

So, Doom Mongers - show some faith - shut it and wait and see. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised …………!!
Nice one.

Absolutely spot on.
Yep another positive person using the words 'shut it' 'doom-mongers' 'give it a rest' 'C*****ts' 'c**p' to convey his positive, happy message. I'm beginning to develop a theory that the self-named happy people on here are actually the biggest spreaders of negative energy and division on this site. Work that one out.

Other than that you make some really good points about the football side of things, although there is an argument it is a bit 'chicken and egg' on the player discontent thing.
Maybe it's a cry of exasperation. How many times and how many different ways can a voice of calm thoughtfulness be used to deflect histrionic, ill conceived, ill considered, foolish, ignorant outbursts of pure conjecture.
It is inevitable that at some point even the most rations is going to conclude - FFS and give the individual both barrels.

Not defending merely trying to explain as I have allso felt this way from time to time.
Pretty much where I come from, you just have to look at the comments on the latest article about the Lazio player.

FFS
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: For C****t's sake doom mongers! Give it a rest please! All this c**p about selling our best players blah blah blah. Listen up for heaven's sake. Those players - our so called best - no longer wanted to play for Saints. They had their heads turned in Brazil and brought that discontent back to the Club influencing some of our better youngsters. Let's get real - we do NOT want players here who don't want to play for the Club. So the Board did the right thing, grasped the nettle and sold them for massively inflated prices - especially Shaw. That is good business and is to be commended. Now we have a new and experienced manager who I believe is quietly going about his business in rebuilding our great Club. Give him and the Board a chance. Yes, we may struggle this season, but I do not see us going down, and once RK has got a firm grip on the management and players, I fully expect a rise back up the table to where I believe we belong. So, Doom Mongers - show some faith - shut it and wait and see. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised …………!![/p][/quote]Nice one. Absolutely spot on.[/p][/quote]Yep another positive person using the words 'shut it' 'doom-mongers' 'give it a rest' 'C*****ts' 'c**p' to convey his positive, happy message. I'm beginning to develop a theory that the self-named happy people on here are actually the biggest spreaders of negative energy and division on this site. Work that one out. Other than that you make some really good points about the football side of things, although there is an argument it is a bit 'chicken and egg' on the player discontent thing.[/p][/quote]Maybe it's a cry of exasperation. How many times and how many different ways can a voice of calm thoughtfulness be used to deflect histrionic, ill conceived, ill considered, foolish, ignorant outbursts of pure conjecture. It is inevitable that at some point even the most rations is going to conclude - FFS and give the individual both barrels. Not defending merely trying to explain as I have allso felt this way from time to time.[/p][/quote]Pretty much where I come from, you just have to look at the comments on the latest article about the Lazio player. FFS fascia123
  • Score: 1

10:21am Wed 6 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers.

Good analogy with NC?
If Cortese was so bad and the books were showing clear dangers ahead, why did KL want to keep him so badly?

A simple question!
She apparently wanted to keep him but she wanted to keep him under her control. He could only be dangerous when completely unfettered.
Cortese was not bad - he performed close to a miracle in the way he woke this club up and brought it back to life. However like many egotistical individuals he would brook no opposition even ffrom his paymaster, when she tried to rein him in he seems to have reacted badly to it and she made her mind up she wanted more involvement in her business affairs and the only way she was going to be allowed to do it without having an enemy stood alongside her was to get rid - that's my take on the info I have gleaned. Could be wrong of course but I don't think my reading is a million miles away from what happened.
Cortese was great for this club but he started making mistakes - unfortunately most humans do.
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers. Good analogy with NC?[/p][/quote]If Cortese was so bad and the books were showing clear dangers ahead, why did KL want to keep him so badly? A simple question![/p][/quote]She apparently wanted to keep him but she wanted to keep him under her control. He could only be dangerous when completely unfettered. Cortese was not bad - he performed close to a miracle in the way he woke this club up and brought it back to life. However like many egotistical individuals he would brook no opposition even ffrom his paymaster, when she tried to rein him in he seems to have reacted badly to it and she made her mind up she wanted more involvement in her business affairs and the only way she was going to be allowed to do it without having an enemy stood alongside her was to get rid - that's my take on the info I have gleaned. Could be wrong of course but I don't think my reading is a million miles away from what happened. Cortese was great for this club but he started making mistakes - unfortunately most humans do. jls217
  • Score: 4

10:22am Wed 6 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers.

Good analogy with NC?
If Cortese was so bad and the books were showing clear dangers ahead, why did KL want to keep him so badly?

A simple question!
Not one for me to answer but I expect she saw that he was a great leader who had taken our club to new levels and commanded the respect of the playing and management staff.

So I expect she wanted to keep him to continue managing a new era, albeit that he'd have to accept new financial realities and swap the Danni Osvaldo, Gaston route to success for a more sustainable, possibly slower route using even more youth team players and involving the sale of some of our assets.
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers. Good analogy with NC?[/p][/quote]If Cortese was so bad and the books were showing clear dangers ahead, why did KL want to keep him so badly? A simple question![/p][/quote]Not one for me to answer but I expect she saw that he was a great leader who had taken our club to new levels and commanded the respect of the playing and management staff. So I expect she wanted to keep him to continue managing a new era, albeit that he'd have to accept new financial realities and swap the Danni Osvaldo, Gaston route to success for a more sustainable, possibly slower route using even more youth team players and involving the sale of some of our assets. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

10:22am Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers.

Good analogy with NC?
We haven't hit the iceberg yet,and now there a different captain.
Perhaps if the same captain had ben left to his self fulfilling ways it wouldn't of been too long before we were scuppered on the bottom.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers. Good analogy with NC?[/p][/quote]We haven't hit the iceberg yet,and now there a different captain.[/p][/quote]Perhaps if the same captain had ben left to his self fulfilling ways it wouldn't of been too long before we were scuppered on the bottom. fascia123
  • Score: 1

10:26am Wed 6 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Invidia wrote:
I preferred it when you were Osprey.
Who?
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: I preferred it when you were Osprey.[/p][/quote]Who? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

10:27am Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

jls217 wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers.

Good analogy with NC?
If Cortese was so bad and the books were showing clear dangers ahead, why did KL want to keep him so badly?

A simple question!
She apparently wanted to keep him but she wanted to keep him under her control. He could only be dangerous when completely unfettered.
Cortese was not bad - he performed close to a miracle in the way he woke this club up and brought it back to life. However like many egotistical individuals he would brook no opposition even ffrom his paymaster, when she tried to rein him in he seems to have reacted badly to it and she made her mind up she wanted more involvement in her business affairs and the only way she was going to be allowed to do it without having an enemy stood alongside her was to get rid - that's my take on the info I have gleaned. Could be wrong of course but I don't think my reading is a million miles away from what happened.
Cortese was great for this club but he started making mistakes - unfortunately most humans do.
Good points, but sorry never a fan of NC.

Looking forward to a good game and a couple of beers on Saturday though.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers. Good analogy with NC?[/p][/quote]If Cortese was so bad and the books were showing clear dangers ahead, why did KL want to keep him so badly? A simple question![/p][/quote]She apparently wanted to keep him but she wanted to keep him under her control. He could only be dangerous when completely unfettered. Cortese was not bad - he performed close to a miracle in the way he woke this club up and brought it back to life. However like many egotistical individuals he would brook no opposition even ffrom his paymaster, when she tried to rein him in he seems to have reacted badly to it and she made her mind up she wanted more involvement in her business affairs and the only way she was going to be allowed to do it without having an enemy stood alongside her was to get rid - that's my take on the info I have gleaned. Could be wrong of course but I don't think my reading is a million miles away from what happened. Cortese was great for this club but he started making mistakes - unfortunately most humans do.[/p][/quote]Good points, but sorry never a fan of NC. Looking forward to a good game and a couple of beers on Saturday though. fascia123
  • Score: 0

10:29am Wed 6 Aug 14

InCortesewetrust says...

Costa Baz wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers. Good analogy with NC?
Good analogy yeah, but without Mr Cortese and his influence there would not be a Southampton fc, so he should be respected just as much as Marcus.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers. Good analogy with NC?[/p][/quote]Good analogy yeah, but without Mr Cortese and his influence there would not be a Southampton fc, so he should be respected just as much as Marcus. InCortesewetrust
  • Score: 0

10:29am Wed 6 Aug 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

SaintJD wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Two particular pieces from the press coverage today caught my attention.....

"Saints...has an owner who is passionate, loves the team, loves the people and loves what her father passed onto her."

"When she sees 30,000 people having pleasure watching the team perform it makes her happy in the memory of why her father invested in the first place."

I think this is underlined by the fact that, despite not being a footie fan at all in the past, Katherina came over for our home matches last season to support the team.

The most unpleasant aspect of the involuntary alliance on here between the sad WUMs, visiting skates and, it has to be said, many frustrated genuine Saints fans with a legitimate point of view, has been the personal abuse of the owner. That taints the legacy that Markus left and is entirely unsupported by evidence. It is also potentially very destructive.

No WUMs or skates of course at St Marys where I'm sure the rest of us will come together again, put aside the differences and support the club and the team.
Yeah, have to agree. Few and far between, but there have been some nasty personal comments on here from genuine Saints fans in the direction of Katherina and it makes me feel a bit sick when I read them, particularly a little nickname people seem to throw about without thinking. She and her family have done amazing things for our club while chairman and staff have come and gone. I just hope she is treated with the respect and love she deserves when she attends home games, regardless of how things turn out.
You are making a lot of good posts this morning!
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Two particular pieces from the press coverage today caught my attention..... "Saints...has an owner who is passionate, loves the team, loves the people and loves what her father passed onto her." "When she sees 30,000 people having pleasure watching the team perform it makes her happy in the memory of why her father invested in the first place." I think this is underlined by the fact that, despite not being a footie fan at all in the past, Katherina came over for our home matches last season to support the team. The most unpleasant aspect of the involuntary alliance on here between the sad WUMs, visiting skates and, it has to be said, many frustrated genuine Saints fans with a legitimate point of view, has been the personal abuse of the owner. That taints the legacy that Markus left and is entirely unsupported by evidence. It is also potentially very destructive. No WUMs or skates of course at St Marys where I'm sure the rest of us will come together again, put aside the differences and support the club and the team.[/p][/quote]Yeah, have to agree. Few and far between, but there have been some nasty personal comments on here from genuine Saints fans in the direction of Katherina and it makes me feel a bit sick when I read them, particularly a little nickname people seem to throw about without thinking. She and her family have done amazing things for our club while chairman and staff have come and gone. I just hope she is treated with the respect and love she deserves when she attends home games, regardless of how things turn out.[/p][/quote]You are making a lot of good posts this morning! Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 0

10:32am Wed 6 Aug 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

Egomaniac wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
For C****t's sake doom mongers! Give it a rest please!

All this c**p about selling our best players blah blah blah. Listen up for heaven's sake. Those players - our so called best - no longer wanted to play for Saints. They had their heads turned in Brazil and brought that discontent back to the Club influencing some of our better youngsters. Let's get real - we do NOT want players here who don't want to play for the Club. So the Board did the right thing, grasped the nettle and sold them for massively inflated prices - especially Shaw. That is good business and is to be commended.

Now we have a new and experienced manager who I believe is quietly going about his business in rebuilding our great Club. Give him and the Board a chance. Yes, we may struggle this season, but I do not see us going down, and once RK has got a firm grip on the management and players, I fully expect a rise back up the table to where I believe we belong.

So, Doom Mongers - show some faith - shut it and wait and see. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised …………!!
Nice one.

Absolutely spot on.
Yep another positive person using the words 'shut it' 'doom-mongers' 'give it a rest' 'C*****ts' 'c**p' to convey his positive, happy message. I'm beginning to develop a theory that the self-named happy people on here are actually the biggest spreaders of negative energy and division on this site. Work that one out.

Other than that you make some really good points about the football side of things, although there is an argument it is a bit 'chicken and egg' on the player discontent thing.
Hi SaintJD! I take your point, but in fairness to me if you check back over the months/years i have been posting, you will not find any 'expletives' among my offerings. It is not normally my nature, but I have chided the abuse aimed at the Club's owner, which I felt was cowardly (under usernames!) and inappropriate. I have always used moderate language to 'pen' my views

However, I have been reading article after article where all the anti - Board posters have been issuing their poison and abuse, and I finally lost my rag!!

Sorry about that - I will be more moderate in the future - I promise!!
I totally get where you're coming from and I have been guilty of same for same reasons, but you only get labelled etc so probably best to keep the moral high-ground though as SaintJD suggests.
[quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: For C****t's sake doom mongers! Give it a rest please! All this c**p about selling our best players blah blah blah. Listen up for heaven's sake. Those players - our so called best - no longer wanted to play for Saints. They had their heads turned in Brazil and brought that discontent back to the Club influencing some of our better youngsters. Let's get real - we do NOT want players here who don't want to play for the Club. So the Board did the right thing, grasped the nettle and sold them for massively inflated prices - especially Shaw. That is good business and is to be commended. Now we have a new and experienced manager who I believe is quietly going about his business in rebuilding our great Club. Give him and the Board a chance. Yes, we may struggle this season, but I do not see us going down, and once RK has got a firm grip on the management and players, I fully expect a rise back up the table to where I believe we belong. So, Doom Mongers - show some faith - shut it and wait and see. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised …………!![/p][/quote]Nice one. Absolutely spot on.[/p][/quote]Yep another positive person using the words 'shut it' 'doom-mongers' 'give it a rest' 'C*****ts' 'c**p' to convey his positive, happy message. I'm beginning to develop a theory that the self-named happy people on here are actually the biggest spreaders of negative energy and division on this site. Work that one out. Other than that you make some really good points about the football side of things, although there is an argument it is a bit 'chicken and egg' on the player discontent thing.[/p][/quote]Hi SaintJD! I take your point, but in fairness to me if you check back over the months/years i have been posting, you will not find any 'expletives' among my offerings. It is not normally my nature, but I have chided the abuse aimed at the Club's owner, which I felt was cowardly (under usernames!) and inappropriate. I have always used moderate language to 'pen' my views However, I have been reading article after article where all the anti - Board posters have been issuing their poison and abuse, and I finally lost my rag!! Sorry about that - I will be more moderate in the future - I promise!![/p][/quote]I totally get where you're coming from and I have been guilty of same for same reasons, but you only get labelled etc so probably best to keep the moral high-ground though as SaintJD suggests. Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 0

10:32am Wed 6 Aug 14

jls217 says...

SaintJD wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Two particular pieces from the press coverage today caught my attention.....

"Saints...has an owner who is passionate, loves the team, loves the people and loves what her father passed onto her."

"When she sees 30,000 people having pleasure watching the team perform it makes her happy in the memory of why her father invested in the first place."

I think this is underlined by the fact that, despite not being a footie fan at all in the past, Katherina came over for our home matches last season to support the team.

The most unpleasant aspect of the involuntary alliance on here between the sad WUMs, visiting skates and, it has to be said, many frustrated genuine Saints fans with a legitimate point of view, has been the personal abuse of the owner. That taints the legacy that Markus left and is entirely unsupported by evidence. It is also potentially very destructive.

No WUMs or skates of course at St Marys where I'm sure the rest of us will come together again, put aside the differences and support the club and the team.
Yeah, have to agree. Few and far between, but there have been some nasty personal comments on here from genuine Saints fans in the direction of Katherina and it makes me feel a bit sick when I read them, particularly a little nickname people seem to throw about without thinking. She and her family have done amazing things for our club while chairman and staff have come and gone. I just hope she is treated with the respect and love she deserves when she attends home games, regardless of how things turn out.
Could not agree more. Didn't she also go to some away games last season?

I didn't attend one away game last year (but then if I owned Saints - you wouldn't been able to keep me away)

If there is enough muck raking done are we not in danger of driving our patron away through the thoughtlessness of our behaviour?
(a self fulfilling prophesy which could be catastrophic for the club)

Is this something desirable or sensible or should we be hoping to include her in our circle not merely for business purposes (although I hope she is happy in the commercial sense) but also in an emotional way to the club and the city much in the same way Markus became eventually. We should show a little gratitude (and I don't mean scraping and bowing either) and I'm pleased she seems to be finding enjoyment from the spectacle of 22 athletes performing to their best but also to the merriment and ribaldry of the crowd. I wonder how much of it she truly understands.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Two particular pieces from the press coverage today caught my attention..... "Saints...has an owner who is passionate, loves the team, loves the people and loves what her father passed onto her." "When she sees 30,000 people having pleasure watching the team perform it makes her happy in the memory of why her father invested in the first place." I think this is underlined by the fact that, despite not being a footie fan at all in the past, Katherina came over for our home matches last season to support the team. The most unpleasant aspect of the involuntary alliance on here between the sad WUMs, visiting skates and, it has to be said, many frustrated genuine Saints fans with a legitimate point of view, has been the personal abuse of the owner. That taints the legacy that Markus left and is entirely unsupported by evidence. It is also potentially very destructive. No WUMs or skates of course at St Marys where I'm sure the rest of us will come together again, put aside the differences and support the club and the team.[/p][/quote]Yeah, have to agree. Few and far between, but there have been some nasty personal comments on here from genuine Saints fans in the direction of Katherina and it makes me feel a bit sick when I read them, particularly a little nickname people seem to throw about without thinking. She and her family have done amazing things for our club while chairman and staff have come and gone. I just hope she is treated with the respect and love she deserves when she attends home games, regardless of how things turn out.[/p][/quote]Could not agree more. Didn't she also go to some away games last season? I didn't attend one away game last year (but then if I owned Saints - you wouldn't been able to keep me away) If there is enough muck raking done are we not in danger of driving our patron away through the thoughtlessness of our behaviour? (a self fulfilling prophesy which could be catastrophic for the club) Is this something desirable or sensible or should we be hoping to include her in our circle not merely for business purposes (although I hope she is happy in the commercial sense) but also in an emotional way to the club and the city much in the same way Markus became eventually. We should show a little gratitude (and I don't mean scraping and bowing either) and I'm pleased she seems to be finding enjoyment from the spectacle of 22 athletes performing to their best but also to the merriment and ribaldry of the crowd. I wonder how much of it she truly understands. jls217
  • Score: 2

10:32am Wed 6 Aug 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Invidia wrote:
I preferred it when you were Osprey.
Who?
Welcome back
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: I preferred it when you were Osprey.[/p][/quote]Who?[/p][/quote]Welcome back Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 1

10:34am Wed 6 Aug 14

Dan Howard says...

fascia123 wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
Class !

Something many posters on here this Summer, simply haven't got !
Spot on, if that doesn't tell you all you need to know about where NC was taking this great club then FFS open your eyes.

We might have a more difficult season than last but under these guys the long term future will be much more secure.

Now let's just wait for the prophets of doom to rubbish everything in the article.
Agreed.

I think NC took us to Dani Osvaldo, Gaston Ramirez and Mauricio Pochettino if I'm not far mistaken.

It was Adkins, Pardew and Reed that took us to Lambert, took us to Clyne retained Lallana for as long as we did, retained Shaw likewise, brought on Chambers etc.

Lovren was a snip I'll admit.

Dani needs one.

Gaston on current showing was more of careless cut.

I'd let Schneiderlin go now but maybe he'd more more valuable still as a January import not Champions League tied than if sold now.

Another keeper please

Another striker please

Another CB please

Hold back £30m for Jan

Win one of the Cups and into Europe for 15/16.

That'll suit me.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: Class ! Something many posters on here this Summer, simply haven't got ![/p][/quote]Spot on, if that doesn't tell you all you need to know about where NC was taking this great club then FFS open your eyes. We might have a more difficult season than last but under these guys the long term future will be much more secure. Now let's just wait for the prophets of doom to rubbish everything in the article.[/p][/quote]Agreed. I think NC took us to Dani Osvaldo, Gaston Ramirez and Mauricio Pochettino if I'm not far mistaken. It was Adkins, Pardew and Reed that took us to Lambert, took us to Clyne retained Lallana for as long as we did, retained Shaw likewise, brought on Chambers etc. Lovren was a snip I'll admit. Dani needs one. Gaston on current showing was more of careless cut. I'd let Schneiderlin go now but maybe he'd more more valuable still as a January import not Champions League tied than if sold now. Another keeper please Another striker please Another CB please Hold back £30m for Jan Win one of the Cups and into Europe for 15/16. That'll suit me. Dan Howard
  • Score: 2

10:35am Wed 6 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

fascia123 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
For C****t's sake doom mongers! Give it a rest please!

All this c**p about selling our best players blah blah blah. Listen up for heaven's sake. Those players - our so called best - no longer wanted to play for Saints. They had their heads turned in Brazil and brought that discontent back to the Club influencing some of our better youngsters. Let's get real - we do NOT want players here who don't want to play for the Club. So the Board did the right thing, grasped the nettle and sold them for massively inflated prices - especially Shaw. That is good business and is to be commended.

Now we have a new and experienced manager who I believe is quietly going about his business in rebuilding our great Club. Give him and the Board a chance. Yes, we may struggle this season, but I do not see us going down, and once RK has got a firm grip on the management and players, I fully expect a rise back up the table to where I believe we belong.

So, Doom Mongers - show some faith - shut it and wait and see. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised …………!!
Nice one.

Absolutely spot on.
Yep another positive person using the words 'shut it' 'doom-mongers' 'give it a rest' 'C*****ts' 'c**p' to convey his positive, happy message. I'm beginning to develop a theory that the self-named happy people on here are actually the biggest spreaders of negative energy and division on this site. Work that one out.

Other than that you make some really good points about the football side of things, although there is an argument it is a bit 'chicken and egg' on the player discontent thing.
Maybe it's a cry of exasperation. How many times and how many different ways can a voice of calm thoughtfulness be used to deflect histrionic, ill conceived, ill considered, foolish, ignorant outbursts of pure conjecture.
It is inevitable that at some point even the most rations is going to conclude - FFS and give the individual both barrels.

Not defending merely trying to explain as I have allso felt this way from time to time.
Pretty much where I come from, you just have to look at the comments on the latest article about the Lazio player.

FFS
Yeah, but when you dig through some of the clearly silly stuff, the general theme of most of those comments is 'we should buy defenders, not central midfielders'. Surely that is far from foolish or ignorant - it's actually seeing the frustrating and obvious thing that every fan has been saying for the past two seasons. We half addressed the problem last season when we bought Lovren for one side of central defence.

If you asked 100 Saints fans which areas of the team need strengthening, how many would say central midfield?

We can't dismiss people who have their eyes open for being negative.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: For C****t's sake doom mongers! Give it a rest please! All this c**p about selling our best players blah blah blah. Listen up for heaven's sake. Those players - our so called best - no longer wanted to play for Saints. They had their heads turned in Brazil and brought that discontent back to the Club influencing some of our better youngsters. Let's get real - we do NOT want players here who don't want to play for the Club. So the Board did the right thing, grasped the nettle and sold them for massively inflated prices - especially Shaw. That is good business and is to be commended. Now we have a new and experienced manager who I believe is quietly going about his business in rebuilding our great Club. Give him and the Board a chance. Yes, we may struggle this season, but I do not see us going down, and once RK has got a firm grip on the management and players, I fully expect a rise back up the table to where I believe we belong. So, Doom Mongers - show some faith - shut it and wait and see. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised …………!![/p][/quote]Nice one. Absolutely spot on.[/p][/quote]Yep another positive person using the words 'shut it' 'doom-mongers' 'give it a rest' 'C*****ts' 'c**p' to convey his positive, happy message. I'm beginning to develop a theory that the self-named happy people on here are actually the biggest spreaders of negative energy and division on this site. Work that one out. Other than that you make some really good points about the football side of things, although there is an argument it is a bit 'chicken and egg' on the player discontent thing.[/p][/quote]Maybe it's a cry of exasperation. How many times and how many different ways can a voice of calm thoughtfulness be used to deflect histrionic, ill conceived, ill considered, foolish, ignorant outbursts of pure conjecture. It is inevitable that at some point even the most rations is going to conclude - FFS and give the individual both barrels. Not defending merely trying to explain as I have allso felt this way from time to time.[/p][/quote]Pretty much where I come from, you just have to look at the comments on the latest article about the Lazio player. FFS[/p][/quote]Yeah, but when you dig through some of the clearly silly stuff, the general theme of most of those comments is 'we should buy defenders, not central midfielders'. Surely that is far from foolish or ignorant - it's actually seeing the frustrating and obvious thing that every fan has been saying for the past two seasons. We half addressed the problem last season when we bought Lovren for one side of central defence. If you asked 100 Saints fans which areas of the team need strengthening, how many would say central midfield? We can't dismiss people who have their eyes open for being negative. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

10:40am Wed 6 Aug 14

nomorerumours says...

Bassett Boy wrote:
I can't believe some of the rubbish posted on here.
There's so much paranoia that everyone in the game is trying to sabotage us, from the owner through to the board, the players, past and present, agents, press etc etc.
Everybody seems to know better than the people who are actually doing the job. I doubt many of the posters have even met a professional footballer, let alone held contract discussions with one, or their agents! How about contact with the owners , chairmen & managers of other clubs? Or operating a business with a multi-million pound turnover, trying to make it sustainable and successful whilst attempting to keep +30,000 fans happy!
Let's assume for one moment that the owner & the board are:
1) competent professionals and are aware of all the facts (something that we are not!)
2) not working to a hidden agenda
3) telling the truth
I for one am prepared to accept that what is being told to us, is the truth, that they are trying to ensure a long term successful future for the club and they are not being helped in this by countless criticism and personal abuse from "fans"
100% spot on.
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Boy[/bold] wrote: I can't believe some of the rubbish posted on here. There's so much paranoia that everyone in the game is trying to sabotage us, from the owner through to the board, the players, past and present, agents, press etc etc. Everybody seems to know better than the people who are actually doing the job. I doubt many of the posters have even met a professional footballer, let alone held contract discussions with one, or their agents! How about contact with the owners , chairmen & managers of other clubs? Or operating a business with a multi-million pound turnover, trying to make it sustainable and successful whilst attempting to keep +30,000 fans happy! Let's assume for one moment that the owner & the board are: 1) competent professionals and are aware of all the facts (something that we are not!) 2) not working to a hidden agenda 3) telling the truth I for one am prepared to accept that what is being told to us, is the truth, that they are trying to ensure a long term successful future for the club and they are not being helped in this by countless criticism and personal abuse from "fans"[/p][/quote]100% spot on. nomorerumours
  • Score: 3

10:43am Wed 6 Aug 14

Blackknight says...

"Les Reed is doing an outstanding job"

Quite hat he is dong an outstanding job of, remains somewhat of a mystery to all Saints fans, or this the equivalent of the dreaded Chairman's endorsement of manager (director) who is about to sacked within a few days.

We live in hope.
"Les Reed is doing an outstanding job" Quite hat he is dong an outstanding job of, remains somewhat of a mystery to all Saints fans, or this the equivalent of the dreaded Chairman's endorsement of manager (director) who is about to sacked within a few days. We live in hope. Blackknight
  • Score: -5

10:46am Wed 6 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
“You can say ‘I’m not happy that Luke Shaw was sold this summer’, but Luke Shaw might have been gone two years ago if it wasn’t for Les.”

For me the only sale which didn't make much financial sense was Chambers, given his reported ability to play at CB and RB.
Check out

http://www.tribalfoo
tball.com/articles/s
outhampton-midfielde
r-calum-chambers-tra
cked-arsenal-newcast
le-3044221#.U-H3qF91
48Q

The date is 26th March 2012, we were lucky to hang on to him as long as we did.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: “You can say ‘I’m not happy that Luke Shaw was sold this summer’, but Luke Shaw might have been gone two years ago if it wasn’t for Les.” For me the only sale which didn't make much financial sense was Chambers, given his reported ability to play at CB and RB.[/p][/quote]Check out http://www.tribalfoo tball.com/articles/s outhampton-midfielde r-calum-chambers-tra cked-arsenal-newcast le-3044221#.U-H3qF91 48Q The date is 26th March 2012, we were lucky to hang on to him as long as we did. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

10:47am Wed 6 Aug 14

nomorerumours says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Invidia wrote:
I preferred it when you were Osprey.
Who?
Welcome back Osprey - hope you had a good holiday! Exciting times for our club.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: I preferred it when you were Osprey.[/p][/quote]Who?[/p][/quote]Welcome back Osprey - hope you had a good holiday! Exciting times for our club. nomorerumours
  • Score: 3

10:49am Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

SaintJD wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
For C****t's sake doom mongers! Give it a rest please!

All this c**p about selling our best players blah blah blah. Listen up for heaven's sake. Those players - our so called best - no longer wanted to play for Saints. They had their heads turned in Brazil and brought that discontent back to the Club influencing some of our better youngsters. Let's get real - we do NOT want players here who don't want to play for the Club. So the Board did the right thing, grasped the nettle and sold them for massively inflated prices - especially Shaw. That is good business and is to be commended.

Now we have a new and experienced manager who I believe is quietly going about his business in rebuilding our great Club. Give him and the Board a chance. Yes, we may struggle this season, but I do not see us going down, and once RK has got a firm grip on the management and players, I fully expect a rise back up the table to where I believe we belong.

So, Doom Mongers - show some faith - shut it and wait and see. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised …………!!
Nice one.

Absolutely spot on.
Yep another positive person using the words 'shut it' 'doom-mongers' 'give it a rest' 'C*****ts' 'c**p' to convey his positive, happy message. I'm beginning to develop a theory that the self-named happy people on here are actually the biggest spreaders of negative energy and division on this site. Work that one out.

Other than that you make some really good points about the football side of things, although there is an argument it is a bit 'chicken and egg' on the player discontent thing.
Maybe it's a cry of exasperation. How many times and how many different ways can a voice of calm thoughtfulness be used to deflect histrionic, ill conceived, ill considered, foolish, ignorant outbursts of pure conjecture.
It is inevitable that at some point even the most rations is going to conclude - FFS and give the individual both barrels.

Not defending merely trying to explain as I have allso felt this way from time to time.
Pretty much where I come from, you just have to look at the comments on the latest article about the Lazio player.

FFS
Yeah, but when you dig through some of the clearly silly stuff, the general theme of most of those comments is 'we should buy defenders, not central midfielders'. Surely that is far from foolish or ignorant - it's actually seeing the frustrating and obvious thing that every fan has been saying for the past two seasons. We half addressed the problem last season when we bought Lovren for one side of central defence.

If you asked 100 Saints fans which areas of the team need strengthening, how many would say central midfield?

We can't dismiss people who have their eyes open for being negative.
How would you of read the headline, my immediate thought would be this is paper talk not come from club so let's wait and see, and have faith in RK who I am sure knows better than all of us what is needed as it's his good reputation on the line if he gets it wrong.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: For C****t's sake doom mongers! Give it a rest please! All this c**p about selling our best players blah blah blah. Listen up for heaven's sake. Those players - our so called best - no longer wanted to play for Saints. They had their heads turned in Brazil and brought that discontent back to the Club influencing some of our better youngsters. Let's get real - we do NOT want players here who don't want to play for the Club. So the Board did the right thing, grasped the nettle and sold them for massively inflated prices - especially Shaw. That is good business and is to be commended. Now we have a new and experienced manager who I believe is quietly going about his business in rebuilding our great Club. Give him and the Board a chance. Yes, we may struggle this season, but I do not see us going down, and once RK has got a firm grip on the management and players, I fully expect a rise back up the table to where I believe we belong. So, Doom Mongers - show some faith - shut it and wait and see. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised …………!![/p][/quote]Nice one. Absolutely spot on.[/p][/quote]Yep another positive person using the words 'shut it' 'doom-mongers' 'give it a rest' 'C*****ts' 'c**p' to convey his positive, happy message. I'm beginning to develop a theory that the self-named happy people on here are actually the biggest spreaders of negative energy and division on this site. Work that one out. Other than that you make some really good points about the football side of things, although there is an argument it is a bit 'chicken and egg' on the player discontent thing.[/p][/quote]Maybe it's a cry of exasperation. How many times and how many different ways can a voice of calm thoughtfulness be used to deflect histrionic, ill conceived, ill considered, foolish, ignorant outbursts of pure conjecture. It is inevitable that at some point even the most rations is going to conclude - FFS and give the individual both barrels. Not defending merely trying to explain as I have allso felt this way from time to time.[/p][/quote]Pretty much where I come from, you just have to look at the comments on the latest article about the Lazio player. FFS[/p][/quote]Yeah, but when you dig through some of the clearly silly stuff, the general theme of most of those comments is 'we should buy defenders, not central midfielders'. Surely that is far from foolish or ignorant - it's actually seeing the frustrating and obvious thing that every fan has been saying for the past two seasons. We half addressed the problem last season when we bought Lovren for one side of central defence. If you asked 100 Saints fans which areas of the team need strengthening, how many would say central midfield? We can't dismiss people who have their eyes open for being negative.[/p][/quote]How would you of read the headline, my immediate thought would be this is paper talk not come from club so let's wait and see, and have faith in RK who I am sure knows better than all of us what is needed as it's his good reputation on the line if he gets it wrong. fascia123
  • Score: 2

10:52am Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Dan Howard wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
Class !

Something many posters on here this Summer, simply haven't got !
Spot on, if that doesn't tell you all you need to know about where NC was taking this great club then FFS open your eyes.

We might have a more difficult season than last but under these guys the long term future will be much more secure.

Now let's just wait for the prophets of doom to rubbish everything in the article.
Agreed.

I think NC took us to Dani Osvaldo, Gaston Ramirez and Mauricio Pochettino if I'm not far mistaken.

It was Adkins, Pardew and Reed that took us to Lambert, took us to Clyne retained Lallana for as long as we did, retained Shaw likewise, brought on Chambers etc.

Lovren was a snip I'll admit.

Dani needs one.

Gaston on current showing was more of careless cut.

I'd let Schneiderlin go now but maybe he'd more more valuable still as a January import not Champions League tied than if sold now.

Another keeper please

Another striker please

Another CB please

Hold back £30m for Jan

Win one of the Cups and into Europe for 15/16.

That'll suit me.
Like it, especially Dani needs one, brilliant.
[quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: Class ! Something many posters on here this Summer, simply haven't got ![/p][/quote]Spot on, if that doesn't tell you all you need to know about where NC was taking this great club then FFS open your eyes. We might have a more difficult season than last but under these guys the long term future will be much more secure. Now let's just wait for the prophets of doom to rubbish everything in the article.[/p][/quote]Agreed. I think NC took us to Dani Osvaldo, Gaston Ramirez and Mauricio Pochettino if I'm not far mistaken. It was Adkins, Pardew and Reed that took us to Lambert, took us to Clyne retained Lallana for as long as we did, retained Shaw likewise, brought on Chambers etc. Lovren was a snip I'll admit. Dani needs one. Gaston on current showing was more of careless cut. I'd let Schneiderlin go now but maybe he'd more more valuable still as a January import not Champions League tied than if sold now. Another keeper please Another striker please Another CB please Hold back £30m for Jan Win one of the Cups and into Europe for 15/16. That'll suit me.[/p][/quote]Like it, especially Dani needs one, brilliant. fascia123
  • Score: 0

10:53am Wed 6 Aug 14

CB FRY LIVES says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
I am a 1960's unreconstructed Socialist and I've always been a totally cynical about what top people do for their money.

I couldn't tell you the difference between a Chief Executive or an Executive Director or a Chairman if I tried. We certainly know that in the bigger Companies, particularly Bnks that they decide each other's pay rises each year - I've got £50 in my back pocket to any charity of your choice that they haven't kept to the Public Sector 1% over the last 3/4/ years.

What I would value and welcome is an unscripted discussion with Katherine telling us her vision over the next 5 years and just precisely what she intends doing with the Club.

I am probably like most of you guys. I don't have a spare £500 quid in my back pocket let alone the odd spare £500m (or whatever you need) to own a Footie Club.

But I would like to know that her heart is i it for her Father's sake if nothing else.

I sort of, hope that she is in with the dream but I would so like to hear from her on the matter
Wouldn't we all! This statement by Ralph,appears to be a rather late attempt to placate the fans,after it filtered through to the elite that the peasants were revolting.
Bernie Ecclestone has proved tonight that money can buy you anything if you've got enough of it .
Vive la revolution!
Ecclestone in Formula 1 and Septic Bladder in football represent all that is wrong in sport today.Too much money and too much corruption.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: I am a 1960's unreconstructed Socialist and I've always been a totally cynical about what top people do for their money. I couldn't tell you the difference between a Chief Executive or an Executive Director or a Chairman if I tried. We certainly know that in the bigger Companies, particularly Bnks that they decide each other's pay rises each year - I've got £50 in my back pocket to any charity of your choice that they haven't kept to the Public Sector 1% over the last 3/4/ years. What I would value and welcome is an unscripted discussion with Katherine telling us her vision over the next 5 years and just precisely what she intends doing with the Club. I am probably like most of you guys. I don't have a spare £500 quid in my back pocket let alone the odd spare £500m (or whatever you need) to own a Footie Club. But I would like to know that her heart is i it for her Father's sake if nothing else. I sort of, hope that she is in with the dream but I would so like to hear from her on the matter[/p][/quote]Wouldn't we all! This statement by Ralph,appears to be a rather late attempt to placate the fans,after it filtered through to the elite that the peasants were revolting. Bernie Ecclestone has proved tonight that money can buy you anything if you've got enough of it . Vive la revolution![/p][/quote]Ecclestone in Formula 1 and Septic Bladder in football represent all that is wrong in sport today.Too much money and too much corruption. CB FRY LIVES
  • Score: 5

10:53am Wed 6 Aug 14

justaSaintsfan says...

fascia123 wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
Your Titanic analogy is absolutely pathetic and unwelcome. Titanic's unfortunate collision with an iceberg was a terrible disaster in the history of the then town of Southampton. Many of Titanic's crew were Southampton people and some of the former small streets, close to where we these days have St. Marys stadium, lost almost all their men as a result of Titanic's sinking. Those streets became streets full of widows, who suddenly found the rest of their lives much more difficult. My family lost an uncle in the tragedy and my own grandfather, who was fortunately working on a different ship at the time, lost many of his friends and colleagues.

The terrible loss of so many lives when Titanic sank cannot possibly be compared to anything that has been happening at SFC. You need to get a grip on reality.

I note that you call yourself "InCortesewetru

st." Nicola Cortese abandoned Saints. If Saints had meant enough to Nicola, surely he would still be at the club. He isn't. Les Reed is still doing his best to help improve SFC. There is a while to go before we see the full result of the club's dealings in the current transfer window. Your stated opinion of Les Reed is therefore somewhat premature.

All any of us Saints fans can do is wait and see what happens.

Up the Saints!!!
Nice one, well said sir.
Thanks. I hope my little rant wasn't excessive. Sorry everyone.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]Your Titanic analogy is absolutely pathetic and unwelcome. Titanic's unfortunate collision with an iceberg was a terrible disaster in the history of the then town of Southampton. Many of Titanic's crew were Southampton people and some of the former small streets, close to where we these days have St. Marys stadium, lost almost all their men as a result of Titanic's sinking. Those streets became streets full of widows, who suddenly found the rest of their lives much more difficult. My family lost an uncle in the tragedy and my own grandfather, who was fortunately working on a different ship at the time, lost many of his friends and colleagues. The terrible loss of so many lives when Titanic sank cannot possibly be compared to anything that has been happening at SFC. You need to get a grip on reality. I note that you call yourself "InCortesewetru st." Nicola Cortese abandoned Saints. If Saints had meant enough to Nicola, surely he would still be at the club. He isn't. Les Reed is still doing his best to help improve SFC. There is a while to go before we see the full result of the club's dealings in the current transfer window. Your stated opinion of Les Reed is therefore somewhat premature. All any of us Saints fans can do is wait and see what happens. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]Nice one, well said sir.[/p][/quote]Thanks. I hope my little rant wasn't excessive. Sorry everyone. justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 0

10:53am Wed 6 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

On another issue, is it just me or is it really nice to see the club backing its former players again? (Not talking about Lovren obviously).

Great to see the likes of Benali, Holmes and others on the official site to remind everyone that we were once, and still can be, a community/family club. Free video highlights and even full pre-season games as well. All this is refreshing compared to the Cortese era and deserves credit.
On another issue, is it just me or is it really nice to see the club backing its former players again? (Not talking about Lovren obviously). Great to see the likes of Benali, Holmes and others on the official site to remind everyone that we were once, and still can be, a community/family club. Free video highlights and even full pre-season games as well. All this is refreshing compared to the Cortese era and deserves credit. SaintJD
  • Score: 6

10:54am Wed 6 Aug 14

Blackknight says...

"Les Reed is doing an outstanding job"

Quite what he is dong an outstanding job of, remains somewhat of a mystery to all Saints fans, or this the equivalent of the dreaded Chairman's endorsement of the manager (director) who is about to sacked within a few days.

We live in hope.
"Les Reed is doing an outstanding job" Quite what he is dong an outstanding job of, remains somewhat of a mystery to all Saints fans, or this the equivalent of the dreaded Chairman's endorsement of the manager (director) who is about to sacked within a few days. We live in hope. Blackknight
  • Score: -2

10:56am Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

SaintJD wrote:
On another issue, is it just me or is it really nice to see the club backing its former players again? (Not talking about Lovren obviously).

Great to see the likes of Benali, Holmes and others on the official site to remind everyone that we were once, and still can be, a community/family club. Free video highlights and even full pre-season games as well. All this is refreshing compared to the Cortese era and deserves credit.
Is it true he had a problem with all the old players and if so why was that do you think?
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: On another issue, is it just me or is it really nice to see the club backing its former players again? (Not talking about Lovren obviously). Great to see the likes of Benali, Holmes and others on the official site to remind everyone that we were once, and still can be, a community/family club. Free video highlights and even full pre-season games as well. All this is refreshing compared to the Cortese era and deserves credit.[/p][/quote]Is it true he had a problem with all the old players and if so why was that do you think? fascia123
  • Score: 0

10:59am Wed 6 Aug 14

Saints n Winners says...

SaintJD wrote:
On another issue, is it just me or is it really nice to see the club backing its former players again? (Not talking about Lovren obviously).

Great to see the likes of Benali, Holmes and others on the official site to remind everyone that we were once, and still can be, a community/family club. Free video highlights and even full pre-season games as well. All this is refreshing compared to the Cortese era and deserves credit.
Now that is a step forward in the right direction for this board
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: On another issue, is it just me or is it really nice to see the club backing its former players again? (Not talking about Lovren obviously). Great to see the likes of Benali, Holmes and others on the official site to remind everyone that we were once, and still can be, a community/family club. Free video highlights and even full pre-season games as well. All this is refreshing compared to the Cortese era and deserves credit.[/p][/quote]Now that is a step forward in the right direction for this board Saints n Winners
  • Score: 1

11:04am Wed 6 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

nomorerumours wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Invidia wrote:
I preferred it when you were Osprey.
Who?
Welcome back Osprey - hope you had a good holiday! Exciting times for our club.
Thanks, haven't been anywhere, just opted to shut up while the neggies vented their spleens, amused by a tweet this morning, the Club haven't announced Squad numbers because they are waiting for the influx to be completed, lol.
[quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: I preferred it when you were Osprey.[/p][/quote]Who?[/p][/quote]Welcome back Osprey - hope you had a good holiday! Exciting times for our club.[/p][/quote]Thanks, haven't been anywhere, just opted to shut up while the neggies vented their spleens, amused by a tweet this morning, the Club haven't announced Squad numbers because they are waiting for the influx to be completed, lol. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

11:08am Wed 6 Aug 14

Forest Saint says...

Blackknight wrote:
"Les Reed is doing an outstanding job"

Quite what he is dong an outstanding job of, remains somewhat of a mystery to all Saints fans, or this the equivalent of the dreaded Chairman's endorsement of the manager (director) who is about to sacked within a few days.

We live in hope.
So do I. Get shot of him asap!
[quote][p][bold]Blackknight[/bold] wrote: "Les Reed is doing an outstanding job" Quite what he is dong an outstanding job of, remains somewhat of a mystery to all Saints fans, or this the equivalent of the dreaded Chairman's endorsement of the manager (director) who is about to sacked within a few days. We live in hope.[/p][/quote]So do I. Get shot of him asap! Forest Saint
  • Score: -3

11:08am Wed 6 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

More from RK

http://www.theguardi
an.com/football/2014
/aug/05/southampton-
transfers-finished?C
MP=twt_gu
More from RK http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /aug/05/southampton- transfers-finished?C MP=twt_gu OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:10am Wed 6 Aug 14

Mister E says...

Confucious wrote:
Two particular pieces from the press coverage today caught my attention.....

"Saints...has an owner who is passionate, loves the team, loves the people and loves what her father passed onto her."

"When she sees 30,000 people having pleasure watching the team perform it makes her happy in the memory of why her father invested in the first place."

I think this is underlined by the fact that, despite not being a footie fan at all in the past, Katherina came over for our home matches last season to support the team.

The most unpleasant aspect of the involuntary alliance on here between the sad WUMs, visiting skates and, it has to be said, many frustrated genuine Saints fans with a legitimate point of view, has been the personal abuse of the owner. That taints the legacy that Markus left and is entirely unsupported by evidence. It is also potentially very destructive.

No WUMs or skates of course at St Marys where I'm sure the rest of us will come together again, put aside the differences and support the club and the team.
Absa-bleeding-lutely
!
Well said.
She (and Markus's memory as her father) don't deserve the disgusting, puerile personal abuse.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Two particular pieces from the press coverage today caught my attention..... "Saints...has an owner who is passionate, loves the team, loves the people and loves what her father passed onto her." "When she sees 30,000 people having pleasure watching the team perform it makes her happy in the memory of why her father invested in the first place." I think this is underlined by the fact that, despite not being a footie fan at all in the past, Katherina came over for our home matches last season to support the team. The most unpleasant aspect of the involuntary alliance on here between the sad WUMs, visiting skates and, it has to be said, many frustrated genuine Saints fans with a legitimate point of view, has been the personal abuse of the owner. That taints the legacy that Markus left and is entirely unsupported by evidence. It is also potentially very destructive. No WUMs or skates of course at St Marys where I'm sure the rest of us will come together again, put aside the differences and support the club and the team.[/p][/quote]Absa-bleeding-lutely ! Well said. She (and Markus's memory as her father) don't deserve the disgusting, puerile personal abuse. Mister E
  • Score: 9

11:10am Wed 6 Aug 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Gosh, our fans are so classy...

Spoilt, immature plonkers with an extremely short memory.

That's "The Southampton Fans Way"
Gosh, our fans are so classy... Spoilt, immature plonkers with an extremely short memory. That's "The Southampton Fans Way" SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 5

11:13am Wed 6 Aug 14

conchy_joe says...

I would be very interested to hear a comment from the ECHO regarding the lack of long term signings. It seems that after Tadic and Pelle things ground to a halt. Rumours of Samaras, Fer, Vlaar and Redmond seem to have died a death. To be honest I'm not sure what to make of how things are going, we are less than two weeks away from the new season and it takes more than ten days to blend in new players. I think that no matter how pro upper management some people may be, the fact remains that there is a shortfall of approx' £70M between those leaving and those joining. Having supported the Saints since '58 I really want to be positive but I think that there is a lack of full commitment, that a very risky corporate game is being played. And if I was a shareholder could you really blame me for "shorting" my shares.
ECHO, Your view please.
I would be very interested to hear a comment from the ECHO regarding the lack of long term signings. It seems that after Tadic and Pelle things ground to a halt. Rumours of Samaras, Fer, Vlaar and Redmond seem to have died a death. To be honest I'm not sure what to make of how things are going, we are less than two weeks away from the new season and it takes more than ten days to blend in new players. I think that no matter how pro upper management some people may be, the fact remains that there is a shortfall of approx' £70M between those leaving and those joining. Having supported the Saints since '58 I really want to be positive but I think that there is a lack of full commitment, that a very risky corporate game is being played. And if I was a shareholder could you really blame me for "shorting" my shares. ECHO, Your view please. conchy_joe
  • Score: -5

11:30am Wed 6 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

conchy_joe wrote:
I would be very interested to hear a comment from the ECHO regarding the lack of long term signings. It seems that after Tadic and Pelle things ground to a halt. Rumours of Samaras, Fer, Vlaar and Redmond seem to have died a death. To be honest I'm not sure what to make of how things are going, we are less than two weeks away from the new season and it takes more than ten days to blend in new players. I think that no matter how pro upper management some people may be, the fact remains that there is a shortfall of approx' £70M between those leaving and those joining. Having supported the Saints since '58 I really want to be positive but I think that there is a lack of full commitment, that a very risky corporate game is being played. And if I was a shareholder could you really blame me for "shorting" my shares.
ECHO, Your view please.
Seems to be a problem with signing players, if our ambition is to get into Europe, we have our hands tied by the FFP, the very thing that was intended to help us, it in fact prevents us from spending enough to do the job. We may well buy a few players, but it isn't going to be easy to match value and wage demands and stay within the rules. It wouldn't matter if we were content to stay mid-table, if we were to splash the cash and then qualified, we would end up being fined like Man City! Don't blame the Club for that mess, it comes from much higher.
[quote][p][bold]conchy_joe[/bold] wrote: I would be very interested to hear a comment from the ECHO regarding the lack of long term signings. It seems that after Tadic and Pelle things ground to a halt. Rumours of Samaras, Fer, Vlaar and Redmond seem to have died a death. To be honest I'm not sure what to make of how things are going, we are less than two weeks away from the new season and it takes more than ten days to blend in new players. I think that no matter how pro upper management some people may be, the fact remains that there is a shortfall of approx' £70M between those leaving and those joining. Having supported the Saints since '58 I really want to be positive but I think that there is a lack of full commitment, that a very risky corporate game is being played. And if I was a shareholder could you really blame me for "shorting" my shares. ECHO, Your view please.[/p][/quote]Seems to be a problem with signing players, if our ambition is to get into Europe, we have our hands tied by the FFP, the very thing that was intended to help us, it in fact prevents us from spending enough to do the job. We may well buy a few players, but it isn't going to be easy to match value and wage demands and stay within the rules. It wouldn't matter if we were content to stay mid-table, if we were to splash the cash and then qualified, we would end up being fined like Man City! Don't blame the Club for that mess, it comes from much higher. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

11:30am Wed 6 Aug 14

SnapperSaint says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football ..............

How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ?

It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side !

The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ?

Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost.

At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces !

I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ...............

Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone !

Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits .................

If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same ..............
Wow! Saints passion in all its glory...brought a lump to my throat!
Good on ya Buddy...
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: Next season once again Saints will be part of a major discussion on English Football .............. How is that Saints could sell at such high prices for Good quality players and yet buy equal or if not better and at far lower cost ? It will expose the laziness/arrogance of the 'BIG' clubs and their scouting and also how a majority of these good players became 'ENGLISH' bench warmers to the cost of our National Side ! The solidity of Saints financially will be discussed but why now is this important ? Because this month we will see BSKYB first step in breaking the financial cartel of the EPL with the introduction of their Channel 5 ....... They will use channel 5 to start to promote better and more balanced financial share of TV money across Europe therefore giving SKY more content for the same cost. At that point clubs with a sound financial footing like Saints and 'Ares' nal will be a stronger position as the TV revenue either does not increase or even reduces ! I for one still want a football club in 10 years, NC did a brilliant job at spending someone else's money and no-one else could have delivered on the '5 year plan' but it was unsustainable without continual owner hand out's ............... Hence the collapse in the relationship over the last 18 months. Without Saint Markus we would not have a club , without Katharina 's support we would not have continued the initial success bearing in mind the season we were promoted from League 1 , 98% of ALL revenue went on wages alone ! Next season will be something new but no less exciting for it, but one things for sure we now have a club that cares about it's HISTORY, it's FANS and it's SPONSORS ............. For me that counts and I've got a strong feeling under RonKom as suggested above we are going to shock an awful lot of pundits ................. If that does happen I wonder how many posters will be changing their 'LOG IN' name , a lot me thinks. Be assured if I'm wrong I'll still be here under this log in and supporting our Team from the front row of the Northam stand just by the corner flag just the same ..............[/p][/quote]Wow! Saints passion in all its glory...brought a lump to my throat! Good on ya Buddy... SnapperSaint
  • Score: 3

11:33am Wed 6 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

conchy_joe wrote:
I would be very interested to hear a comment from the ECHO regarding the lack of long term signings. It seems that after Tadic and Pelle things ground to a halt. Rumours of Samaras, Fer, Vlaar and Redmond seem to have died a death. To be honest I'm not sure what to make of how things are going, we are less than two weeks away from the new season and it takes more than ten days to blend in new players. I think that no matter how pro upper management some people may be, the fact remains that there is a shortfall of approx' £70M between those leaving and those joining. Having supported the Saints since '58 I really want to be positive but I think that there is a lack of full commitment, that a very risky corporate game is being played. And if I was a shareholder could you really blame me for "shorting" my shares.
ECHO, Your view please.
Are you an Echo journalist setting them up for yet another 'What went wrong at Saints' article. I'd suggest you go through the archive because I could have sworn they've already done at least ten of these articles already.

Not sure about Vlaar (can't see it happening) and definitely sure Samaras is one I'm happy to see die a death (not literally obviously, seems like a nice bloke), but Fer and/or Redmond are still quite possible (although Taider and the other Inter guy may have killed those) and I'd say two Celtic signings before the end of the week or early next are pretty much ready to roll (come on Warsaw... please).

Then it's just another centre back and a striker (or two). So, assuming the Celtic one/ones go through and Taider arrives, we're only one or two great signings away from having a more than decent first team for the first half of the season with scope to add in January I'd like to think.

I'm not expecting us to hit the heights of last season (although our initial fixtures look nice) but we should do OK as long as the fans don't get nervous and turn.
[quote][p][bold]conchy_joe[/bold] wrote: I would be very interested to hear a comment from the ECHO regarding the lack of long term signings. It seems that after Tadic and Pelle things ground to a halt. Rumours of Samaras, Fer, Vlaar and Redmond seem to have died a death. To be honest I'm not sure what to make of how things are going, we are less than two weeks away from the new season and it takes more than ten days to blend in new players. I think that no matter how pro upper management some people may be, the fact remains that there is a shortfall of approx' £70M between those leaving and those joining. Having supported the Saints since '58 I really want to be positive but I think that there is a lack of full commitment, that a very risky corporate game is being played. And if I was a shareholder could you really blame me for "shorting" my shares. ECHO, Your view please.[/p][/quote]Are you an Echo journalist setting them up for yet another 'What went wrong at Saints' article. I'd suggest you go through the archive because I could have sworn they've already done at least ten of these articles already. Not sure about Vlaar (can't see it happening) and definitely sure Samaras is one I'm happy to see die a death (not literally obviously, seems like a nice bloke), but Fer and/or Redmond are still quite possible (although Taider and the other Inter guy may have killed those) and I'd say two Celtic signings before the end of the week or early next are pretty much ready to roll (come on Warsaw... please). Then it's just another centre back and a striker (or two). So, assuming the Celtic one/ones go through and Taider arrives, we're only one or two great signings away from having a more than decent first team for the first half of the season with scope to add in January I'd like to think. I'm not expecting us to hit the heights of last season (although our initial fixtures look nice) but we should do OK as long as the fans don't get nervous and turn. SaintJD
  • Score: 7

11:38am Wed 6 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

lol
If telling fans during season ticket renewal time that we were not a selling club and then preceding to sell our best talent is doing an "outstanding job", then Les is indeed doing an outstanding job.

This summer the club has been turned into a laughing stock.
END OF STORY!!!!
lol If telling fans during season ticket renewal time that we were not a selling club and then preceding to sell our best talent is doing an "outstanding job", then Les is indeed doing an outstanding job. This summer the club has been turned into a laughing stock. END OF STORY!!!! redandy10
  • Score: -2

11:39am Wed 6 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
conchy_joe wrote:
I would be very interested to hear a comment from the ECHO regarding the lack of long term signings. It seems that after Tadic and Pelle things ground to a halt. Rumours of Samaras, Fer, Vlaar and Redmond seem to have died a death. To be honest I'm not sure what to make of how things are going, we are less than two weeks away from the new season and it takes more than ten days to blend in new players. I think that no matter how pro upper management some people may be, the fact remains that there is a shortfall of approx' £70M between those leaving and those joining. Having supported the Saints since '58 I really want to be positive but I think that there is a lack of full commitment, that a very risky corporate game is being played. And if I was a shareholder could you really blame me for "shorting" my shares.
ECHO, Your view please.
Seems to be a problem with signing players, if our ambition is to get into Europe, we have our hands tied by the FFP, the very thing that was intended to help us, it in fact prevents us from spending enough to do the job. We may well buy a few players, but it isn't going to be easy to match value and wage demands and stay within the rules. It wouldn't matter if we were content to stay mid-table, if we were to splash the cash and then qualified, we would end up being fined like Man City! Don't blame the Club for that mess, it comes from much higher.
It's a good point Osprey. My thought though is that, if FFP is going to be as well policed as some are suggesting, surely Saint's model will actually help us, maybe not to get into the top six, but to out perform all the clubs of equal fan base/income in the division.

So it's not all bad. That is of course as long as we don't get raided to the point of having nothing left as the big clubs buy our youngsters to help them comply with the rules themselves. That's the real danger I think.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]conchy_joe[/bold] wrote: I would be very interested to hear a comment from the ECHO regarding the lack of long term signings. It seems that after Tadic and Pelle things ground to a halt. Rumours of Samaras, Fer, Vlaar and Redmond seem to have died a death. To be honest I'm not sure what to make of how things are going, we are less than two weeks away from the new season and it takes more than ten days to blend in new players. I think that no matter how pro upper management some people may be, the fact remains that there is a shortfall of approx' £70M between those leaving and those joining. Having supported the Saints since '58 I really want to be positive but I think that there is a lack of full commitment, that a very risky corporate game is being played. And if I was a shareholder could you really blame me for "shorting" my shares. ECHO, Your view please.[/p][/quote]Seems to be a problem with signing players, if our ambition is to get into Europe, we have our hands tied by the FFP, the very thing that was intended to help us, it in fact prevents us from spending enough to do the job. We may well buy a few players, but it isn't going to be easy to match value and wage demands and stay within the rules. It wouldn't matter if we were content to stay mid-table, if we were to splash the cash and then qualified, we would end up being fined like Man City! Don't blame the Club for that mess, it comes from much higher.[/p][/quote]It's a good point Osprey. My thought though is that, if FFP is going to be as well policed as some are suggesting, surely Saint's model will actually help us, maybe not to get into the top six, but to out perform all the clubs of equal fan base/income in the division. So it's not all bad. That is of course as long as we don't get raided to the point of having nothing left as the big clubs buy our youngsters to help them comply with the rules themselves. That's the real danger I think. SaintJD
  • Score: 6

11:39am Wed 6 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Confucious wrote:
Two particular pieces from the press coverage today caught my attention.....

"Saints...has an owner who is passionate, loves the team, loves the people and loves what her father passed onto her."

"When she sees 30,000 people having pleasure watching the team perform it makes her happy in the memory of why her father invested in the first place."

I think this is underlined by the fact that, despite not being a footie fan at all in the past, Katherina came over for our home matches last season to support the team.

The most unpleasant aspect of the involuntary alliance on here between the sad WUMs, visiting skates and, it has to be said, many frustrated genuine Saints fans with a legitimate point of view, has been the personal abuse of the owner. That taints the legacy that Markus left and is entirely unsupported by evidence. It is also potentially very destructive.

No WUMs or skates of course at St Marys where I'm sure the rest of us will come together again, put aside the differences and support the club and the team.
I saw that piece about her enjoyment of listening to 30k singing in sms as well conf. I think she realises what the club meant to St Markus and feels close to him there. I truly believe that she wants whats best for the club and wants it to have long term success. I also noticed that ralph said that the aim was to stop her from `investing` in the club, which means they want to be self sustainable, not a bad ambition really is it? it also lets all those who say shes `asset stripping` or `what has she done for the club` know that she has been putting a lot of money into the club on a regular basis.
anyone who thinks she doesn't care about the club should take a long hard look at those words. she may not have been a huge football fan but she has started to enjoy the experience and atmosphere of sms, and we couldn't ask for much else! do we want an owner who is constantly spouting off in the press, trying to change the name of the club or the colours? do we want an owner like qpr`s who sees redkrapp as a demi-god and is losing millions a month to fund his spending habits? no thank you!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Two particular pieces from the press coverage today caught my attention..... "Saints...has an owner who is passionate, loves the team, loves the people and loves what her father passed onto her." "When she sees 30,000 people having pleasure watching the team perform it makes her happy in the memory of why her father invested in the first place." I think this is underlined by the fact that, despite not being a footie fan at all in the past, Katherina came over for our home matches last season to support the team. The most unpleasant aspect of the involuntary alliance on here between the sad WUMs, visiting skates and, it has to be said, many frustrated genuine Saints fans with a legitimate point of view, has been the personal abuse of the owner. That taints the legacy that Markus left and is entirely unsupported by evidence. It is also potentially very destructive. No WUMs or skates of course at St Marys where I'm sure the rest of us will come together again, put aside the differences and support the club and the team.[/p][/quote]I saw that piece about her enjoyment of listening to 30k singing in sms as well conf. I think she realises what the club meant to St Markus and feels close to him there. I truly believe that she wants whats best for the club and wants it to have long term success. I also noticed that ralph said that the aim was to stop her from `investing` in the club, which means they want to be self sustainable, not a bad ambition really is it? it also lets all those who say shes `asset stripping` or `what has she done for the club` know that she has been putting a lot of money into the club on a regular basis. anyone who thinks she doesn't care about the club should take a long hard look at those words. she may not have been a huge football fan but she has started to enjoy the experience and atmosphere of sms, and we couldn't ask for much else! do we want an owner who is constantly spouting off in the press, trying to change the name of the club or the colours? do we want an owner like qpr`s who sees redkrapp as a demi-god and is losing millions a month to fund his spending habits? no thank you! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 1

11:42am Wed 6 Aug 14

SnapperSaint says...

Confucious wrote:
Two particular pieces from the press coverage today caught my attention.....

"Saints...has an owner who is passionate, loves the team, loves the people and loves what her father passed onto her."

"When she sees 30,000 people having pleasure watching the team perform it makes her happy in the memory of why her father invested in the first place."

I think this is underlined by the fact that, despite not being a footie fan at all in the past, Katherina came over for our home matches last season to support the team.

The most unpleasant aspect of the involuntary alliance on here between the sad WUMs, visiting skates and, it has to be said, many frustrated genuine Saints fans with a legitimate point of view, has been the personal abuse of the owner. That taints the legacy that Markus left and is entirely unsupported by evidence. It is also potentially very destructive.

No WUMs or skates of course at St Marys where I'm sure the rest of us will come together again, put aside the differences and support the club and the team.
Well said Confusious!
And I think it's been good to see RK finally getting out a press statement, which if you read between the lines supports what the blogger and a few of the posters on yesterday's threads were saying, there is a grand plan to boost our spending capability under FFP in future seasons!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Two particular pieces from the press coverage today caught my attention..... "Saints...has an owner who is passionate, loves the team, loves the people and loves what her father passed onto her." "When she sees 30,000 people having pleasure watching the team perform it makes her happy in the memory of why her father invested in the first place." I think this is underlined by the fact that, despite not being a footie fan at all in the past, Katherina came over for our home matches last season to support the team. The most unpleasant aspect of the involuntary alliance on here between the sad WUMs, visiting skates and, it has to be said, many frustrated genuine Saints fans with a legitimate point of view, has been the personal abuse of the owner. That taints the legacy that Markus left and is entirely unsupported by evidence. It is also potentially very destructive. No WUMs or skates of course at St Marys where I'm sure the rest of us will come together again, put aside the differences and support the club and the team.[/p][/quote]Well said Confusious! And I think it's been good to see RK finally getting out a press statement, which if you read between the lines supports what the blogger and a few of the posters on yesterday's threads were saying, there is a grand plan to boost our spending capability under FFP in future seasons! SnapperSaint
  • Score: 2

11:44am Wed 6 Aug 14

Bazultra says...

I dont trust this muppet board and liars as far as I could throw them. Some of you are still saying you trust them after all the lies. No players would be sold and we will not have a player exodus my A@$. Some of You must know something I dont!
I dont trust this muppet board and liars as far as I could throw them. Some of you are still saying you trust them after all the lies. No players would be sold and we will not have a player exodus my A@$. Some of You must know something I dont! Bazultra
  • Score: -8

11:45am Wed 6 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

SaintJD wrote:
conchy_joe wrote:
I would be very interested to hear a comment from the ECHO regarding the lack of long term signings. It seems that after Tadic and Pelle things ground to a halt. Rumours of Samaras, Fer, Vlaar and Redmond seem to have died a death. To be honest I'm not sure what to make of how things are going, we are less than two weeks away from the new season and it takes more than ten days to blend in new players. I think that no matter how pro upper management some people may be, the fact remains that there is a shortfall of approx' £70M between those leaving and those joining. Having supported the Saints since '58 I really want to be positive but I think that there is a lack of full commitment, that a very risky corporate game is being played. And if I was a shareholder could you really blame me for "shorting" my shares.
ECHO, Your view please.
Are you an Echo journalist setting them up for yet another 'What went wrong at Saints' article. I'd suggest you go through the archive because I could have sworn they've already done at least ten of these articles already.

Not sure about Vlaar (can't see it happening) and definitely sure Samaras is one I'm happy to see die a death (not literally obviously, seems like a nice bloke), but Fer and/or Redmond are still quite possible (although Taider and the other Inter guy may have killed those) and I'd say two Celtic signings before the end of the week or early next are pretty much ready to roll (come on Warsaw... please).

Then it's just another centre back and a striker (or two). So, assuming the Celtic one/ones go through and Taider arrives, we're only one or two great signings away from having a more than decent first team for the first half of the season with scope to add in January I'd like to think.

I'm not expecting us to hit the heights of last season (although our initial fixtures look nice) but we should do OK as long as the fans don't get nervous and turn.
I don't think Samaras will have you on his Xmas card list ;o)
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]conchy_joe[/bold] wrote: I would be very interested to hear a comment from the ECHO regarding the lack of long term signings. It seems that after Tadic and Pelle things ground to a halt. Rumours of Samaras, Fer, Vlaar and Redmond seem to have died a death. To be honest I'm not sure what to make of how things are going, we are less than two weeks away from the new season and it takes more than ten days to blend in new players. I think that no matter how pro upper management some people may be, the fact remains that there is a shortfall of approx' £70M between those leaving and those joining. Having supported the Saints since '58 I really want to be positive but I think that there is a lack of full commitment, that a very risky corporate game is being played. And if I was a shareholder could you really blame me for "shorting" my shares. ECHO, Your view please.[/p][/quote]Are you an Echo journalist setting them up for yet another 'What went wrong at Saints' article. I'd suggest you go through the archive because I could have sworn they've already done at least ten of these articles already. Not sure about Vlaar (can't see it happening) and definitely sure Samaras is one I'm happy to see die a death (not literally obviously, seems like a nice bloke), but Fer and/or Redmond are still quite possible (although Taider and the other Inter guy may have killed those) and I'd say two Celtic signings before the end of the week or early next are pretty much ready to roll (come on Warsaw... please). Then it's just another centre back and a striker (or two). So, assuming the Celtic one/ones go through and Taider arrives, we're only one or two great signings away from having a more than decent first team for the first half of the season with scope to add in January I'd like to think. I'm not expecting us to hit the heights of last season (although our initial fixtures look nice) but we should do OK as long as the fans don't get nervous and turn.[/p][/quote]I don't think Samaras will have you on his Xmas card list ;o) Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 0

11:45am Wed 6 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

A lot of fans are finally putting two and two together as to why we are struggling to bring in quality players. We NO LONGER can sell the idea to potential players that we are a club with AMBITION. Even Dani and Victor last summer were hesitant to join, and that was when we had NC selling the dream and before this summer's MESS!

Poor old Ron has his work cut out!!!
A lot of fans are finally putting two and two together as to why we are struggling to bring in quality players. We NO LONGER can sell the idea to potential players that we are a club with AMBITION. Even Dani and Victor last summer were hesitant to join, and that was when we had NC selling the dream and before this summer's MESS! Poor old Ron has his work cut out!!! redandy10
  • Score: 2

11:47am Wed 6 Aug 14

Saintsayer II says...

This sounds more like the statement a chairman makes about the manager the week before he sacks him
This sounds more like the statement a chairman makes about the manager the week before he sacks him Saintsayer II
  • Score: -1

11:47am Wed 6 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

fascia123 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
On another issue, is it just me or is it really nice to see the club backing its former players again? (Not talking about Lovren obviously).

Great to see the likes of Benali, Holmes and others on the official site to remind everyone that we were once, and still can be, a community/family club. Free video highlights and even full pre-season games as well. All this is refreshing compared to the Cortese era and deserves credit.
Is it true he had a problem with all the old players and if so why was that do you think?
The only facts I know are that he didn't have the best relationships with Le Tissier, Benali and others, although there were vested interests in both those cases. However, purely speculating, I believe NC was very much into looking forward, focussing on the vision, and not being held back by previous expectation levels. That would kind of explain why he had a lack of respect for the stripes. And, of course, he didn't like outsiders commenting on the club. And, he didn't really get on with anyone apart from the players and manager. And he maybe wanted it to be his show. Not a great team player our Nicola, but he was exceptional at other things.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: On another issue, is it just me or is it really nice to see the club backing its former players again? (Not talking about Lovren obviously). Great to see the likes of Benali, Holmes and others on the official site to remind everyone that we were once, and still can be, a community/family club. Free video highlights and even full pre-season games as well. All this is refreshing compared to the Cortese era and deserves credit.[/p][/quote]Is it true he had a problem with all the old players and if so why was that do you think?[/p][/quote]The only facts I know are that he didn't have the best relationships with Le Tissier, Benali and others, although there were vested interests in both those cases. However, purely speculating, I believe NC was very much into looking forward, focussing on the vision, and not being held back by previous expectation levels. That would kind of explain why he had a lack of respect for the stripes. And, of course, he didn't like outsiders commenting on the club. And, he didn't really get on with anyone apart from the players and manager. And he maybe wanted it to be his show. Not a great team player our Nicola, but he was exceptional at other things. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

11:49am Wed 6 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Bazultra wrote:
I dont trust this muppet board and liars as far as I could throw them. Some of you are still saying you trust them after all the lies. No players would be sold and we will not have a player exodus my A@$. Some of You must know something I dont!
As you appear to know very little, I guess most of us know a lot more than you? I look forward to a day when you post a positive thought, but I suspect I will be pushing up the daisies long before that happens. Enjoy your misery, but don't expect or ask the majority to stay with you. Best if you jogged on.
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: I dont trust this muppet board and liars as far as I could throw them. Some of you are still saying you trust them after all the lies. No players would be sold and we will not have a player exodus my A@$. Some of You must know something I dont![/p][/quote]As you appear to know very little, I guess most of us know a lot more than you? I look forward to a day when you post a positive thought, but I suspect I will be pushing up the daisies long before that happens. Enjoy your misery, but don't expect or ask the majority to stay with you. Best if you jogged on. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

11:49am Wed 6 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
conchy_joe wrote:
I would be very interested to hear a comment from the ECHO regarding the lack of long term signings. It seems that after Tadic and Pelle things ground to a halt. Rumours of Samaras, Fer, Vlaar and Redmond seem to have died a death. To be honest I'm not sure what to make of how things are going, we are less than two weeks away from the new season and it takes more than ten days to blend in new players. I think that no matter how pro upper management some people may be, the fact remains that there is a shortfall of approx' £70M between those leaving and those joining. Having supported the Saints since '58 I really want to be positive but I think that there is a lack of full commitment, that a very risky corporate game is being played. And if I was a shareholder could you really blame me for "shorting" my shares.
ECHO, Your view please.
Are you an Echo journalist setting them up for yet another 'What went wrong at Saints' article. I'd suggest you go through the archive because I could have sworn they've already done at least ten of these articles already.

Not sure about Vlaar (can't see it happening) and definitely sure Samaras is one I'm happy to see die a death (not literally obviously, seems like a nice bloke), but Fer and/or Redmond are still quite possible (although Taider and the other Inter guy may have killed those) and I'd say two Celtic signings before the end of the week or early next are pretty much ready to roll (come on Warsaw... please).

Then it's just another centre back and a striker (or two). So, assuming the Celtic one/ones go through and Taider arrives, we're only one or two great signings away from having a more than decent first team for the first half of the season with scope to add in January I'd like to think.

I'm not expecting us to hit the heights of last season (although our initial fixtures look nice) but we should do OK as long as the fans don't get nervous and turn.
I don't think Samaras will have you on his Xmas card list ;o)
Yes. Would be quite amusing if he signs for us and is absolutely awesome. If so he has my sincere apologies.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]conchy_joe[/bold] wrote: I would be very interested to hear a comment from the ECHO regarding the lack of long term signings. It seems that after Tadic and Pelle things ground to a halt. Rumours of Samaras, Fer, Vlaar and Redmond seem to have died a death. To be honest I'm not sure what to make of how things are going, we are less than two weeks away from the new season and it takes more than ten days to blend in new players. I think that no matter how pro upper management some people may be, the fact remains that there is a shortfall of approx' £70M between those leaving and those joining. Having supported the Saints since '58 I really want to be positive but I think that there is a lack of full commitment, that a very risky corporate game is being played. And if I was a shareholder could you really blame me for "shorting" my shares. ECHO, Your view please.[/p][/quote]Are you an Echo journalist setting them up for yet another 'What went wrong at Saints' article. I'd suggest you go through the archive because I could have sworn they've already done at least ten of these articles already. Not sure about Vlaar (can't see it happening) and definitely sure Samaras is one I'm happy to see die a death (not literally obviously, seems like a nice bloke), but Fer and/or Redmond are still quite possible (although Taider and the other Inter guy may have killed those) and I'd say two Celtic signings before the end of the week or early next are pretty much ready to roll (come on Warsaw... please). Then it's just another centre back and a striker (or two). So, assuming the Celtic one/ones go through and Taider arrives, we're only one or two great signings away from having a more than decent first team for the first half of the season with scope to add in January I'd like to think. I'm not expecting us to hit the heights of last season (although our initial fixtures look nice) but we should do OK as long as the fans don't get nervous and turn.[/p][/quote]I don't think Samaras will have you on his Xmas card list ;o)[/p][/quote]Yes. Would be quite amusing if he signs for us and is absolutely awesome. If so he has my sincere apologies. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

11:52am Wed 6 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
This sounds more like the statement a chairman makes about the manager the week before he sacks him
The wish is father to the thought.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: This sounds more like the statement a chairman makes about the manager the week before he sacks him[/p][/quote]The wish is father to the thought. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:52am Wed 6 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Has Osvaldo been signed yet???
Has Osvaldo been signed yet??? J7junctionseven
  • Score: -1

11:53am Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

SaintJD wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
On another issue, is it just me or is it really nice to see the club backing its former players again? (Not talking about Lovren obviously).

Great to see the likes of Benali, Holmes and others on the official site to remind everyone that we were once, and still can be, a community/family club. Free video highlights and even full pre-season games as well. All this is refreshing compared to the Cortese era and deserves credit.
Is it true he had a problem with all the old players and if so why was that do you think?
The only facts I know are that he didn't have the best relationships with Le Tissier, Benali and others, although there were vested interests in both those cases. However, purely speculating, I believe NC was very much into looking forward, focussing on the vision, and not being held back by previous expectation levels. That would kind of explain why he had a lack of respect for the stripes. And, of course, he didn't like outsiders commenting on the club. And, he didn't really get on with anyone apart from the players and manager. And he maybe wanted it to be his show. Not a great team player our Nicola, but he was exceptional at other things.
Thanks for info, without a history the future tends to be short term in my experience.

Will have to agree to disagree where NC is concerned and look forward to winning on Saturday even if it's just to quieten down the doubters.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: On another issue, is it just me or is it really nice to see the club backing its former players again? (Not talking about Lovren obviously). Great to see the likes of Benali, Holmes and others on the official site to remind everyone that we were once, and still can be, a community/family club. Free video highlights and even full pre-season games as well. All this is refreshing compared to the Cortese era and deserves credit.[/p][/quote]Is it true he had a problem with all the old players and if so why was that do you think?[/p][/quote]The only facts I know are that he didn't have the best relationships with Le Tissier, Benali and others, although there were vested interests in both those cases. However, purely speculating, I believe NC was very much into looking forward, focussing on the vision, and not being held back by previous expectation levels. That would kind of explain why he had a lack of respect for the stripes. And, of course, he didn't like outsiders commenting on the club. And, he didn't really get on with anyone apart from the players and manager. And he maybe wanted it to be his show. Not a great team player our Nicola, but he was exceptional at other things.[/p][/quote]Thanks for info, without a history the future tends to be short term in my experience. Will have to agree to disagree where NC is concerned and look forward to winning on Saturday even if it's just to quieten down the doubters. fascia123
  • Score: 2

12:06pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Forest Saint says...

Bazultra wrote:
I dont trust this muppet board and liars as far as I could throw them. Some of you are still saying you trust them after all the lies. No players would be sold and we will not have a player exodus my A@$. Some of You must know something I dont!
Most Saints fans have very short memories and believe all the bull~~~t!
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: I dont trust this muppet board and liars as far as I could throw them. Some of you are still saying you trust them after all the lies. No players would be sold and we will not have a player exodus my A@$. Some of You must know something I dont![/p][/quote]Most Saints fans have very short memories and believe all the bull~~~t! Forest Saint
  • Score: -6

12:07pm Wed 6 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

redandy10 wrote:
lol
If telling fans during season ticket renewal time that we were not a selling club and then preceding to sell our best talent is doing an "outstanding job", then Les is indeed doing an outstanding job.

This summer the club has been turned into a laughing stock.
END OF STORY!!!!
Not the end of the story. Only the end of a chapter, I disagree of course, we have been subject to a lot of ridicule, based a lot on ignorance of what has happened, you need to take a better balanced view of events, and I ask you for just a little more patience. If you cannot get over the past, at least be intrigued at what might happen in the future, do not be continually angry, as that won't help or change anything.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol If telling fans during season ticket renewal time that we were not a selling club and then preceding to sell our best talent is doing an "outstanding job", then Les is indeed doing an outstanding job. This summer the club has been turned into a laughing stock. END OF STORY!!!![/p][/quote]Not the end of the story. Only the end of a chapter, I disagree of course, we have been subject to a lot of ridicule, based a lot on ignorance of what has happened, you need to take a better balanced view of events, and I ask you for just a little more patience. If you cannot get over the past, at least be intrigued at what might happen in the future, do not be continually angry, as that won't help or change anything. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

12:15pm Wed 6 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Invidia wrote:
I preferred it when you were Osprey.
Who?
Welcome back Osprey - hope you had a good holiday! Exciting times for our club.
Thanks, haven't been anywhere, just opted to shut up while the neggies vented their spleens, amused by a tweet this morning, the Club haven't announced Squad numbers because they are waiting for the influx to be completed, lol.
Rule One never believe a word youread on Twitter!

http://www.saintsfc.
co.uk/news/article/0
6082014-201415-squad
-numbers-1807762.asp
x
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: I preferred it when you were Osprey.[/p][/quote]Who?[/p][/quote]Welcome back Osprey - hope you had a good holiday! Exciting times for our club.[/p][/quote]Thanks, haven't been anywhere, just opted to shut up while the neggies vented their spleens, amused by a tweet this morning, the Club haven't announced Squad numbers because they are waiting for the influx to be completed, lol.[/p][/quote]Rule One never believe a word youread on Twitter! http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/news/article/0 6082014-201415-squad -numbers-1807762.asp x OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

12:42pm Wed 6 Aug 14

conchy_joe says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
conchy_joe wrote: I would be very interested to hear a comment from the ECHO regarding the lack of long term signings. It seems that after Tadic and Pelle things ground to a halt. Rumours of Samaras, Fer, Vlaar and Redmond seem to have died a death. To be honest I'm not sure what to make of how things are going, we are less than two weeks away from the new season and it takes more than ten days to blend in new players. I think that no matter how pro upper management some people may be, the fact remains that there is a shortfall of approx' £70M between those leaving and those joining. Having supported the Saints since '58 I really want to be positive but I think that there is a lack of full commitment, that a very risky corporate game is being played. And if I was a shareholder could you really blame me for "shorting" my shares. ECHO, Your view please.
Are you an Echo journalist setting them up for yet another 'What went wrong at Saints' article. I'd suggest you go through the archive because I could have sworn they've already done at least ten of these articles already. Not sure about Vlaar (can't see it happening) and definitely sure Samaras is one I'm happy to see die a death (not literally obviously, seems like a nice bloke), but Fer and/or Redmond are still quite possible (although Taider and the other Inter guy may have killed those) and I'd say two Celtic signings before the end of the week or early next are pretty much ready to roll (come on Warsaw... please). Then it's just another centre back and a striker (or two). So, assuming the Celtic one/ones go through and Taider arrives, we're only one or two great signings away from having a more than decent first team for the first half of the season with scope to add in January I'd like to think. I'm not expecting us to hit the heights of last season (although our initial fixtures look nice) but we should do OK as long as the fans don't get nervous and turn.
I don't think Samaras will have you on his Xmas card list ;o)
Hey Echo, Sorry it seems that I don't need a comment from you after all.

A couple of Celtic signings before end of week, then "just another" centre back and a striker or" two "and we're only two "great signings" away from a more than decent season........and then we'll all win the lottery and go and live in the Bahamas...good post Mr Krueger.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]conchy_joe[/bold] wrote: I would be very interested to hear a comment from the ECHO regarding the lack of long term signings. It seems that after Tadic and Pelle things ground to a halt. Rumours of Samaras, Fer, Vlaar and Redmond seem to have died a death. To be honest I'm not sure what to make of how things are going, we are less than two weeks away from the new season and it takes more than ten days to blend in new players. I think that no matter how pro upper management some people may be, the fact remains that there is a shortfall of approx' £70M between those leaving and those joining. Having supported the Saints since '58 I really want to be positive but I think that there is a lack of full commitment, that a very risky corporate game is being played. And if I was a shareholder could you really blame me for "shorting" my shares. ECHO, Your view please.[/p][/quote]Are you an Echo journalist setting them up for yet another 'What went wrong at Saints' article. I'd suggest you go through the archive because I could have sworn they've already done at least ten of these articles already. Not sure about Vlaar (can't see it happening) and definitely sure Samaras is one I'm happy to see die a death (not literally obviously, seems like a nice bloke), but Fer and/or Redmond are still quite possible (although Taider and the other Inter guy may have killed those) and I'd say two Celtic signings before the end of the week or early next are pretty much ready to roll (come on Warsaw... please). Then it's just another centre back and a striker (or two). So, assuming the Celtic one/ones go through and Taider arrives, we're only one or two great signings away from having a more than decent first team for the first half of the season with scope to add in January I'd like to think. I'm not expecting us to hit the heights of last season (although our initial fixtures look nice) but we should do OK as long as the fans don't get nervous and turn.[/p][/quote]I don't think Samaras will have you on his Xmas card list ;o)[/p][/quote]Hey Echo, Sorry it seems that I don't need a comment from you after all. A couple of Celtic signings before end of week, then "just another" centre back and a striker or" two "and we're only two "great signings" away from a more than decent season........and then we'll all win the lottery and go and live in the Bahamas...good post Mr Krueger. conchy_joe
  • Score: -8

12:54pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Chapperall says...

It would seem as soon as anyone writes some form of criticism they are classified by some as negative. Many of the so called negative writers on here are just concerned and worried about our football team nothing else. Yes there are the usual skunts who try and stir things up but many are genuine supporters. So please give people a break and try and understand everyone particularly long term supporters are entitled to have their say.
All this will hopefully quieten down when the season starts at least I hope so . Unless we have a mare of a start to the season and then the knives will be out.
We are definitely a weaker team to last season no one can argue with that but a couple of really good signings will close the gap. I think Tsdic will be exceptional for us this season.
It would seem as soon as anyone writes some form of criticism they are classified by some as negative. Many of the so called negative writers on here are just concerned and worried about our football team nothing else. Yes there are the usual skunts who try and stir things up but many are genuine supporters. So please give people a break and try and understand everyone particularly long term supporters are entitled to have their say. All this will hopefully quieten down when the season starts at least I hope so . Unless we have a mare of a start to the season and then the knives will be out. We are definitely a weaker team to last season no one can argue with that but a couple of really good signings will close the gap. I think Tsdic will be exceptional for us this season. Chapperall
  • Score: 1

1:08pm Wed 6 Aug 14

peregrine73 says...

nomorerumours wrote:
A really impressive interview by our Chairman on Talk Sport this evening. He went quite a bit further than he did in his last interview and made things extremely clear. He not only re-confirmed that we will not be selling Morg and JayRod but also gave a greater insight into the recent events. I have never stopped believing in our board and our club's great ambition. Business deals have to be done in secret and the media have got so much about us completely wrong. It has made many Saints fans question their faith but it will be fully restored very soon. Like Ralph, I believe that we will finish in the top 8 again this season. There are a whole host of deals to be completed in the next few days. I expect it will take longer for some of the ultra negative fans to start to believe again but they will come around quickly when they see our team against Liverpool and our full, stronger than last season, squad by the end of the transfer window. Ralph did not have to speak again but he did and this was directly aimed at reassuring Saints fans. You will not have to be patient very much longer. Exciting times ahead!!!
More spin from the kings of spin.They have done a good job glossing over the real facts that are:money recouped by owner,signings difficult to achieve due to management inept performance and loan deals difficult because of wages and availability.These two should end up in politics, they could then hoodwink the public with there broken promises.
[quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: A really impressive interview by our Chairman on Talk Sport this evening. He went quite a bit further than he did in his last interview and made things extremely clear. He not only re-confirmed that we will not be selling Morg and JayRod but also gave a greater insight into the recent events. I have never stopped believing in our board and our club's great ambition. Business deals have to be done in secret and the media have got so much about us completely wrong. It has made many Saints fans question their faith but it will be fully restored very soon. Like Ralph, I believe that we will finish in the top 8 again this season. There are a whole host of deals to be completed in the next few days. I expect it will take longer for some of the ultra negative fans to start to believe again but they will come around quickly when they see our team against Liverpool and our full, stronger than last season, squad by the end of the transfer window. Ralph did not have to speak again but he did and this was directly aimed at reassuring Saints fans. You will not have to be patient very much longer. Exciting times ahead!!![/p][/quote]More spin from the kings of spin.They have done a good job glossing over the real facts that are:money recouped by owner,signings difficult to achieve due to management inept performance and loan deals difficult because of wages and availability.These two should end up in politics, they could then hoodwink the public with there broken promises. peregrine73
  • Score: -9

1:21pm Wed 6 Aug 14

7saint7 says...

Feddy Krueger you was not here 2 years ago i think you need to start to see that Les (billy bull sh*ter) Reed. Cant tell the truth & than sack him.
Feddy Krueger you was not here 2 years ago i think you need to start to see that Les (billy bull sh*ter) Reed. Cant tell the truth & than sack him. 7saint7
  • Score: -9

1:25pm Wed 6 Aug 14

miltonnroad76 says...

Good to see positives outweighing the neggies..however i am gonna repeat myself again we need a cb and striker and all will be well.
Good to see positives outweighing the neggies..however i am gonna repeat myself again we need a cb and striker and all will be well. miltonnroad76
  • Score: -1

1:30pm Wed 6 Aug 14

oldsaintsfan says...

I have been a saints fan for longer than I like to think about. I would like to think the club will go from strength(last season) to strength (the comming season). However I must confess to being a sceptic with regard to all the recent commings and (mainly) goings (particularly the kids). I reads these threads from time to time and have noticed with interest the inevitable heated debates given particularly the loss of both management and players. Anyway we do not have to wait very long now. Football is a results business and the shape the club is in will become very clear very quickly.
I have been a saints fan for longer than I like to think about. I would like to think the club will go from strength(last season) to strength (the comming season). However I must confess to being a sceptic with regard to all the recent commings and (mainly) goings (particularly the kids). I reads these threads from time to time and have noticed with interest the inevitable heated debates given particularly the loss of both management and players. Anyway we do not have to wait very long now. Football is a results business and the shape the club is in will become very clear very quickly. oldsaintsfan
  • Score: 1

1:42pm Wed 6 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Has Osvaldo gone yet??
Has Osvaldo gone yet?? J7junctionseven
  • Score: -1

1:58pm Wed 6 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
lol
If telling fans during season ticket renewal time that we were not a selling club and then preceding to sell our best talent is doing an "outstanding job", then Les is indeed doing an outstanding job.

This summer the club has been turned into a laughing stock.
END OF STORY!!!!
Not the end of the story. Only the end of a chapter, I disagree of course, we have been subject to a lot of ridicule, based a lot on ignorance of what has happened, you need to take a better balanced view of events, and I ask you for just a little more patience. If you cannot get over the past, at least be intrigued at what might happen in the future, do not be continually angry, as that won't help or change anything.
While I agree that it's been a hard time to be a Saints fan and pretty embarrassing and annoying to have pundits, fans and particularly Spurs and Liverpool fans, baiting us, I can't help looking back at the same situation when Mo Po took charge - people telling me they hoped we were relegated and that we were clueless.

Sure, I think we've got an even bigger rebuilding job now but an important point to remember - when Mo Po took over we were on the fringes of relegation trouble and nobody gave as a hope of staying up.

It was quite nice proving them wrong and hopefully we will do it again.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol If telling fans during season ticket renewal time that we were not a selling club and then preceding to sell our best talent is doing an "outstanding job", then Les is indeed doing an outstanding job. This summer the club has been turned into a laughing stock. END OF STORY!!!![/p][/quote]Not the end of the story. Only the end of a chapter, I disagree of course, we have been subject to a lot of ridicule, based a lot on ignorance of what has happened, you need to take a better balanced view of events, and I ask you for just a little more patience. If you cannot get over the past, at least be intrigued at what might happen in the future, do not be continually angry, as that won't help or change anything.[/p][/quote]While I agree that it's been a hard time to be a Saints fan and pretty embarrassing and annoying to have pundits, fans and particularly Spurs and Liverpool fans, baiting us, I can't help looking back at the same situation when Mo Po took charge - people telling me they hoped we were relegated and that we were clueless. Sure, I think we've got an even bigger rebuilding job now but an important point to remember - when Mo Po took over we were on the fringes of relegation trouble and nobody gave as a hope of staying up. It was quite nice proving them wrong and hopefully we will do it again. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

2:03pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers.

Good analogy with NC?
We haven't hit the iceberg yet,and now there a different captain.
Perhaps if the same captain had ben left to his self fulfilling ways it wouldn't of been too long before we were scuppered on the bottom.
Bit unfair on Cortese,and based on his previous record,highly unlikely.At the moment he appears to be the whipping boy for a disaster that hasn't happened...yet.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers. Good analogy with NC?[/p][/quote]We haven't hit the iceberg yet,and now there a different captain.[/p][/quote]Perhaps if the same captain had ben left to his self fulfilling ways it wouldn't of been too long before we were scuppered on the bottom.[/p][/quote]Bit unfair on Cortese,and based on his previous record,highly unlikely.At the moment he appears to be the whipping boy for a disaster that hasn't happened...yet. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -2

2:04pm Wed 6 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

So many Pompey plants in here today, usually identified by their 'I've been a fan for **** years and it's never been this bad' references.

Well I've been a fan for a fair while myself and either something fishy is afoot or some people have very, very short and selective memories.
So many Pompey plants in here today, usually identified by their 'I've been a fan for **** years and it's never been this bad' references. Well I've been a fan for a fair while myself and either something fishy is afoot or some people have very, very short and selective memories. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

2:05pm Wed 6 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Chapperall wrote:
It would seem as soon as anyone writes some form of criticism they are classified by some as negative. Many of the so called negative writers on here are just concerned and worried about our football team nothing else. Yes there are the usual skunts who try and stir things up but many are genuine supporters. So please give people a break and try and understand everyone particularly long term supporters are entitled to have their say.
All this will hopefully quieten down when the season starts at least I hope so . Unless we have a mare of a start to the season and then the knives will be out.
We are definitely a weaker team to last season no one can argue with that but a couple of really good signings will close the gap. I think Tsdic will be exceptional for us this season.
It is all relative, as you say some do have genuine concerns, in fact I think all of us are concerned, but we don't all handle the situation the same way. There are also some that don't actually give a toss and are only posting to upset and undermine the rest, you have to decide which is which, I am not naming names, but they should be obvious to most. Whatever, a negative post or thought has never helped the situation one iota, so why bother with it.
[quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: It would seem as soon as anyone writes some form of criticism they are classified by some as negative. Many of the so called negative writers on here are just concerned and worried about our football team nothing else. Yes there are the usual skunts who try and stir things up but many are genuine supporters. So please give people a break and try and understand everyone particularly long term supporters are entitled to have their say. All this will hopefully quieten down when the season starts at least I hope so . Unless we have a mare of a start to the season and then the knives will be out. We are definitely a weaker team to last season no one can argue with that but a couple of really good signings will close the gap. I think Tsdic will be exceptional for us this season.[/p][/quote]It is all relative, as you say some do have genuine concerns, in fact I think all of us are concerned, but we don't all handle the situation the same way. There are also some that don't actually give a toss and are only posting to upset and undermine the rest, you have to decide which is which, I am not naming names, but they should be obvious to most. Whatever, a negative post or thought has never helped the situation one iota, so why bother with it. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

2:06pm Wed 6 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Has Osvaldo gone yet??
Valid question. Still no confirmation as far as I can see. Sky were suggesting Taider was on his way, but it wasn't 100% confirmed. One report actually mentioned us selling him rather than loaning him to them, but that was probably just lazy journalism.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Has Osvaldo gone yet??[/p][/quote]Valid question. Still no confirmation as far as I can see. Sky were suggesting Taider was on his way, but it wasn't 100% confirmed. One report actually mentioned us selling him rather than loaning him to them, but that was probably just lazy journalism. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

2:09pm Wed 6 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

On that note, take a look at Pompey's latest signing - doesn't look that healthy. Apparently he was a 'Lion's legend', meaning he's old and never had any better offers. Well, I suppose at least it's being reported on, which is a miracle considering not many people are interested:

http://www1.skysport
s.com/transfer-centr
e/
On that note, take a look at Pompey's latest signing - doesn't look that healthy. Apparently he was a 'Lion's legend', meaning he's old and never had any better offers. Well, I suppose at least it's being reported on, which is a miracle considering not many people are interested: http://www1.skysport s.com/transfer-centr e/ SaintJD
  • Score: 1

2:11pm Wed 6 Aug 14

TGodSFC says...

Crispinmumbles wrote:
Lot's of words, we'll see what they're worth. It's obvious that we shouldn't be expecting £90 m re-invested in the team, I am a little uneasy about all the loan deals. Are we really, financially so far up a certain Creek that we've had to buy a £90 m paddle?

I do think Koeman is a cracking shout and that if anyone can - he will.

Don't reckon Saints fans should be on here slagging each other off though. Everyone's got an opinion, I vacillate between feeling really positive and nagging concerns over what is going on and I have been bitterly disappointed by this summer's events & the attitude of certain players & staff members.
That figure that is being thrown about (£91M) is not accurate, you have to take in account for the fees we had to pay to Lyon and B’mouth, plus I would of thought a fair amount of it is subject to appearances and performances etc.

Tadier looks like he has penned, if we can get Forster and Dijk after Celtic crash out of qualifying tonight, that’s a good start.

I’m all for loan deals with the option to buy. It’s very sensible business, if we had done that with Dani would have saved Millions!!
[quote][p][bold]Crispinmumbles[/bold] wrote: Lot's of words, we'll see what they're worth. It's obvious that we shouldn't be expecting £90 m re-invested in the team, I am a little uneasy about all the loan deals. Are we really, financially so far up a certain Creek that we've had to buy a £90 m paddle? I do think Koeman is a cracking shout and that if anyone can - he will. Don't reckon Saints fans should be on here slagging each other off though. Everyone's got an opinion, I vacillate between feeling really positive and nagging concerns over what is going on and I have been bitterly disappointed by this summer's events & the attitude of certain players & staff members.[/p][/quote]That figure that is being thrown about (£91M) is not accurate, you have to take in account for the fees we had to pay to Lyon and B’mouth, plus I would of thought a fair amount of it is subject to appearances and performances etc. Tadier looks like he has penned, if we can get Forster and Dijk after Celtic crash out of qualifying tonight, that’s a good start. I’m all for loan deals with the option to buy. It’s very sensible business, if we had done that with Dani would have saved Millions!! TGodSFC
  • Score: 3

2:13pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

InCortesewetrust wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers. Good analogy with NC?
Good analogy yeah, but without Mr Cortese and his influence there would not be a Southampton fc, so he should be respected just as much as Marcus.
Well said mate!There's far too many on here who seem to be quick to blame when they haven't got a clue why he really left,and even quicker to dismiss the absolutely spot on job he did getting us back to where we are and without which we still might be languishing in League one.
True it was ML's money,but he trusted Cortese with it,and he wasn't disappointed!
[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers. Good analogy with NC?[/p][/quote]Good analogy yeah, but without Mr Cortese and his influence there would not be a Southampton fc, so he should be respected just as much as Marcus.[/p][/quote]Well said mate!There's far too many on here who seem to be quick to blame when they haven't got a clue why he really left,and even quicker to dismiss the absolutely spot on job he did getting us back to where we are and without which we still might be languishing in League one. True it was ML's money,but he trusted Cortese with it,and he wasn't disappointed! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -2

2:18pm Wed 6 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Chapperall wrote:
It would seem as soon as anyone writes some form of criticism they are classified by some as negative. Many of the so called negative writers on here are just concerned and worried about our football team nothing else. Yes there are the usual skunts who try and stir things up but many are genuine supporters. So please give people a break and try and understand everyone particularly long term supporters are entitled to have their say.
All this will hopefully quieten down when the season starts at least I hope so . Unless we have a mare of a start to the season and then the knives will be out.
We are definitely a weaker team to last season no one can argue with that but a couple of really good signings will close the gap. I think Tsdic will be exceptional for us this season.
Good post Chapperall - I think you speak for a lot of people with that one.

I hope you're wrong about the knives being out though - I think that kind of negativity (booing the board, getting on the back of players and when people get a bit nervy and quiet) is when you see who the real negative ones are. And in my experience it's not generally who you might expect.
[quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: It would seem as soon as anyone writes some form of criticism they are classified by some as negative. Many of the so called negative writers on here are just concerned and worried about our football team nothing else. Yes there are the usual skunts who try and stir things up but many are genuine supporters. So please give people a break and try and understand everyone particularly long term supporters are entitled to have their say. All this will hopefully quieten down when the season starts at least I hope so . Unless we have a mare of a start to the season and then the knives will be out. We are definitely a weaker team to last season no one can argue with that but a couple of really good signings will close the gap. I think Tsdic will be exceptional for us this season.[/p][/quote]Good post Chapperall - I think you speak for a lot of people with that one. I hope you're wrong about the knives being out though - I think that kind of negativity (booing the board, getting on the back of players and when people get a bit nervy and quiet) is when you see who the real negative ones are. And in my experience it's not generally who you might expect. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

2:19pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Saints n Winners says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
I dont trust this muppet board and liars as far as I could throw them. Some of you are still saying you trust them after all the lies. No players would be sold and we will not have a player exodus my A@$. Some of You must know something I dont!
As you appear to know very little, I guess most of us know a lot more than you? I look forward to a day when you post a positive thought, but I suspect I will be pushing up the daisies long before that happens. Enjoy your misery, but don't expect or ask the majority to stay with you. Best if you jogged on.
He is entitle to his opinion without being told to jog on. This kind of repeated attack on posters is the reason you are so unpopular on this board, if you haven't already sussed this out for yourself.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: I dont trust this muppet board and liars as far as I could throw them. Some of you are still saying you trust them after all the lies. No players would be sold and we will not have a player exodus my A@$. Some of You must know something I dont![/p][/quote]As you appear to know very little, I guess most of us know a lot more than you? I look forward to a day when you post a positive thought, but I suspect I will be pushing up the daisies long before that happens. Enjoy your misery, but don't expect or ask the majority to stay with you. Best if you jogged on.[/p][/quote]He is entitle to his opinion without being told to jog on. This kind of repeated attack on posters is the reason you are so unpopular on this board, if you haven't already sussed this out for yourself. Saints n Winners
  • Score: 6

2:29pm Wed 6 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

TGodSFC wrote:
Crispinmumbles wrote:
Lot's of words, we'll see what they're worth. It's obvious that we shouldn't be expecting £90 m re-invested in the team, I am a little uneasy about all the loan deals. Are we really, financially so far up a certain Creek that we've had to buy a £90 m paddle?

I do think Koeman is a cracking shout and that if anyone can - he will.

Don't reckon Saints fans should be on here slagging each other off though. Everyone's got an opinion, I vacillate between feeling really positive and nagging concerns over what is going on and I have been bitterly disappointed by this summer's events & the attitude of certain players & staff members.
That figure that is being thrown about (£91M) is not accurate, you have to take in account for the fees we had to pay to Lyon and B’mouth, plus I would of thought a fair amount of it is subject to appearances and performances etc.

Tadier looks like he has penned, if we can get Forster and Dijk after Celtic crash out of qualifying tonight, that’s a good start.

I’m all for loan deals with the option to buy. It’s very sensible business, if we had done that with Dani would have saved Millions!!
Indeed. Sanogo please, and Ben Arfa would be nice. Central defence worries me because I can't see any obvious stand out candidates that are available now Caulker is gone, and even he only had one good season.

It's either take a punt on the Celtic centre back or someone from abroad or dip into the nasty world of ageing Premier League bench warmers with a mistake in them (Spurs and Liverpool specialise in those), which is not a route I'd like us to go down.

Were there any stand out centre backs in the Championship last season? None seem to spring to mind, but several have successfully made the step up in the past. We don't seem to be looking at that market this season and I don't believe there are no gems down there..
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crispinmumbles[/bold] wrote: Lot's of words, we'll see what they're worth. It's obvious that we shouldn't be expecting £90 m re-invested in the team, I am a little uneasy about all the loan deals. Are we really, financially so far up a certain Creek that we've had to buy a £90 m paddle? I do think Koeman is a cracking shout and that if anyone can - he will. Don't reckon Saints fans should be on here slagging each other off though. Everyone's got an opinion, I vacillate between feeling really positive and nagging concerns over what is going on and I have been bitterly disappointed by this summer's events & the attitude of certain players & staff members.[/p][/quote]That figure that is being thrown about (£91M) is not accurate, you have to take in account for the fees we had to pay to Lyon and B’mouth, plus I would of thought a fair amount of it is subject to appearances and performances etc. Tadier looks like he has penned, if we can get Forster and Dijk after Celtic crash out of qualifying tonight, that’s a good start. I’m all for loan deals with the option to buy. It’s very sensible business, if we had done that with Dani would have saved Millions!![/p][/quote]Indeed. Sanogo please, and Ben Arfa would be nice. Central defence worries me because I can't see any obvious stand out candidates that are available now Caulker is gone, and even he only had one good season. It's either take a punt on the Celtic centre back or someone from abroad or dip into the nasty world of ageing Premier League bench warmers with a mistake in them (Spurs and Liverpool specialise in those), which is not a route I'd like us to go down. Were there any stand out centre backs in the Championship last season? None seem to spring to mind, but several have successfully made the step up in the past. We don't seem to be looking at that market this season and I don't believe there are no gems down there.. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

2:37pm Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers.

Good analogy with NC?
We haven't hit the iceberg yet,and now there a different captain.
Perhaps if the same captain had ben left to his self fulfilling ways it wouldn't of been too long before we were scuppered on the bottom.
Bit unfair on Cortese,and based on his previous record,highly unlikely.At the moment he appears to be the whipping boy for a disaster that hasn't happened...yet.
I was rather hoping the disaster had been avoided by KLs intervention.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers. Good analogy with NC?[/p][/quote]We haven't hit the iceberg yet,and now there a different captain.[/p][/quote]Perhaps if the same captain had ben left to his self fulfilling ways it wouldn't of been too long before we were scuppered on the bottom.[/p][/quote]Bit unfair on Cortese,and based on his previous record,highly unlikely.At the moment he appears to be the whipping boy for a disaster that hasn't happened...yet.[/p][/quote]I was rather hoping the disaster had been avoided by KLs intervention. fascia123
  • Score: -1

2:47pm Wed 6 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
I dont trust this muppet board and liars as far as I could throw them. Some of you are still saying you trust them after all the lies. No players would be sold and we will not have a player exodus my A@$. Some of You must know something I dont!
As you appear to know very little, I guess most of us know a lot more than you? I look forward to a day when you post a positive thought, but I suspect I will be pushing up the daisies long before that happens. Enjoy your misery, but don't expect or ask the majority to stay with you. Best if you jogged on.
He is entitle to his opinion without being told to jog on. This kind of repeated attack on posters is the reason you are so unpopular on this board, if you haven't already sussed this out for yourself.
I don't think it's fair to say Osprey is unpopular. It's a bit like this thread - you have some who are very positive about every Osprey post (let's call them the 'Happy Flappers') and some who are immediately hit the thumbs down button in a nasty way (Neggie Eggies?). Anyway, many other people value Osprey's posts on this forum and judge them post by post - agreeing with some and not with others.

Agree it's not nice to attack people's posts but in most cases it is probably tit for tat or in response to obvious WUM posts (the three line ones that stand out a mile) so let's all cut each other a bit of slack.
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: I dont trust this muppet board and liars as far as I could throw them. Some of you are still saying you trust them after all the lies. No players would be sold and we will not have a player exodus my A@$. Some of You must know something I dont![/p][/quote]As you appear to know very little, I guess most of us know a lot more than you? I look forward to a day when you post a positive thought, but I suspect I will be pushing up the daisies long before that happens. Enjoy your misery, but don't expect or ask the majority to stay with you. Best if you jogged on.[/p][/quote]He is entitle to his opinion without being told to jog on. This kind of repeated attack on posters is the reason you are so unpopular on this board, if you haven't already sussed this out for yourself.[/p][/quote]I don't think it's fair to say Osprey is unpopular. It's a bit like this thread - you have some who are very positive about every Osprey post (let's call them the 'Happy Flappers') and some who are immediately hit the thumbs down button in a nasty way (Neggie Eggies?). Anyway, many other people value Osprey's posts on this forum and judge them post by post - agreeing with some and not with others. Agree it's not nice to attack people's posts but in most cases it is probably tit for tat or in response to obvious WUM posts (the three line ones that stand out a mile) so let's all cut each other a bit of slack. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

2:47pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers.

Good analogy with NC?
We haven't hit the iceberg yet,and now there a different captain.
Perhaps if the same captain had ben left to his self fulfilling ways it wouldn't of been too long before we were scuppered on the bottom.
Bit unfair on Cortese,and based on his previous record,highly unlikely.At the moment he appears to be the whipping boy for a disaster that hasn't happened...yet.
I was rather hoping the disaster had been avoided by KLs intervention.
Well either way,nobody can be blamed for a disaster that hasn't happened,and didn't happen on their watch.
Innocent until proven guilty,and despite all the accusations,I've not seen much proof about.
He's gone now,whatever the reason,and instead of being crucified for the situation the club is in now,which we still have no idea is bad or not until the season starts,like another poster has said,we should be giving the guy the respect,gratitude and thanks for giving us all the chance to watch Prem football again.Because without him,it could've been so,so much worse!
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers. Good analogy with NC?[/p][/quote]We haven't hit the iceberg yet,and now there a different captain.[/p][/quote]Perhaps if the same captain had ben left to his self fulfilling ways it wouldn't of been too long before we were scuppered on the bottom.[/p][/quote]Bit unfair on Cortese,and based on his previous record,highly unlikely.At the moment he appears to be the whipping boy for a disaster that hasn't happened...yet.[/p][/quote]I was rather hoping the disaster had been avoided by KLs intervention.[/p][/quote]Well either way,nobody can be blamed for a disaster that hasn't happened,and didn't happen on their watch. Innocent until proven guilty,and despite all the accusations,I've not seen much proof about. He's gone now,whatever the reason,and instead of being crucified for the situation the club is in now,which we still have no idea is bad or not until the season starts,like another poster has said,we should be giving the guy the respect,gratitude and thanks for giving us all the chance to watch Prem football again.Because without him,it could've been so,so much worse! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -1

2:49pm Wed 6 Aug 14

lovemachine says...

SaintJD wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Has Osvaldo gone yet??
Valid question. Still no confirmation as far as I can see. Sky were suggesting Taider was on his way, but it wasn't 100% confirmed. One report actually mentioned us selling him rather than loaning him to them, but that was probably just lazy journalism.
read georgeweahscousin.co
m interview saying Taider is lazy and schelotto is worst signing Inter has ever made!!!
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Has Osvaldo gone yet??[/p][/quote]Valid question. Still no confirmation as far as I can see. Sky were suggesting Taider was on his way, but it wasn't 100% confirmed. One report actually mentioned us selling him rather than loaning him to them, but that was probably just lazy journalism.[/p][/quote]read georgeweahscousin.co m interview saying Taider is lazy and schelotto is worst signing Inter has ever made!!! lovemachine
  • Score: -3

2:58pm Wed 6 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
I dont trust this muppet board and liars as far as I could throw them. Some of you are still saying you trust them after all the lies. No players would be sold and we will not have a player exodus my A@$. Some of You must know something I dont!
As you appear to know very little, I guess most of us know a lot more than you? I look forward to a day when you post a positive thought, but I suspect I will be pushing up the daisies long before that happens. Enjoy your misery, but don't expect or ask the majority to stay with you. Best if you jogged on.
He is entitle to his opinion without being told to jog on. This kind of repeated attack on posters is the reason you are so unpopular on this board, if you haven't already sussed this out for yourself.
You know very well I like to tease the neggies, if they want to be miserable and obnoxious that's their right, I just try to knock some sense into them, no law says they have to obey. Any posts critical of the board are in my opinion short sighted, but posters are fully entitled to hold those views and ask others to agree, it's a free country, pardon me if I think they are misguided, but as Costa Gaz says, if I preach long and hard enough, one day I might get something right? Just don't take me too seriously, that's all I ask.
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: I dont trust this muppet board and liars as far as I could throw them. Some of you are still saying you trust them after all the lies. No players would be sold and we will not have a player exodus my A@$. Some of You must know something I dont![/p][/quote]As you appear to know very little, I guess most of us know a lot more than you? I look forward to a day when you post a positive thought, but I suspect I will be pushing up the daisies long before that happens. Enjoy your misery, but don't expect or ask the majority to stay with you. Best if you jogged on.[/p][/quote]He is entitle to his opinion without being told to jog on. This kind of repeated attack on posters is the reason you are so unpopular on this board, if you haven't already sussed this out for yourself.[/p][/quote]You know very well I like to tease the neggies, if they want to be miserable and obnoxious that's their right, I just try to knock some sense into them, no law says they have to obey. Any posts critical of the board are in my opinion short sighted, but posters are fully entitled to hold those views and ask others to agree, it's a free country, pardon me if I think they are misguided, but as Costa Gaz says, if I preach long and hard enough, one day I might get something right? Just don't take me too seriously, that's all I ask. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

3:00pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Graham, North of Watford says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
I am a 1960's unreconstructed Socialist and I've always been a totally cynical about what top people do for their money.

I couldn't tell you the difference between a Chief Executive or an Executive Director or a Chairman if I tried. We certainly know that in the bigger Companies, particularly Bnks that they decide each other's pay rises each year - I've got £50 in my back pocket to any charity of your choice that they haven't kept to the Public Sector 1% over the last 3/4/ years.

What I would value and welcome is an unscripted discussion with Katherine telling us her vision over the next 5 years and just precisely what she intends doing with the Club.

I am probably like most of you guys. I don't have a spare £500 quid in my back pocket let alone the odd spare £500m (or whatever you need) to own a Footie Club.

But I would like to know that her heart is i it for her Father's sake if nothing else.

I sort of, hope that she is in with the dream but I would so like to hear from her on the matter
Markus was an older guy who chased a football dream in his later years. SFC became his baby, and he came to understand the babies needs ie the fans I doubt whether his father loved football as much as he did, and doubt whether his daughter will either.
If she doesn't love this club as much as her father does, why would she tell everybody. Her best policy is to say little, and quietly get on with it, until such times as she decides to take more control, or has more of a feel for the club, or sets the club up to sell it.
The PR hasn't been great so far, and she must realise this. The improvement in PR will be essential for any of her chosen paths.
Saints N' Winners

I agree with your comments on y original feed. THE Club's inability to feed its fans and the World with quality PR is legendary.

My hope that Katherine would make a positive "I'm never selling the Club" statement is pure wishful thinking.

The Board and Manager must know that all Clubs survive on the support of their fans ad we need to be fed some snippets of good and positive news at least once or twice a week.

The Club has led with the Ryan Bertrand story for wht seems FOREVER and that is only because there is no other news.
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: I am a 1960's unreconstructed Socialist and I've always been a totally cynical about what top people do for their money. I couldn't tell you the difference between a Chief Executive or an Executive Director or a Chairman if I tried. We certainly know that in the bigger Companies, particularly Bnks that they decide each other's pay rises each year - I've got £50 in my back pocket to any charity of your choice that they haven't kept to the Public Sector 1% over the last 3/4/ years. What I would value and welcome is an unscripted discussion with Katherine telling us her vision over the next 5 years and just precisely what she intends doing with the Club. I am probably like most of you guys. I don't have a spare £500 quid in my back pocket let alone the odd spare £500m (or whatever you need) to own a Footie Club. But I would like to know that her heart is i it for her Father's sake if nothing else. I sort of, hope that she is in with the dream but I would so like to hear from her on the matter[/p][/quote]Markus was an older guy who chased a football dream in his later years. SFC became his baby, and he came to understand the babies needs ie the fans I doubt whether his father loved football as much as he did, and doubt whether his daughter will either. If she doesn't love this club as much as her father does, why would she tell everybody. Her best policy is to say little, and quietly get on with it, until such times as she decides to take more control, or has more of a feel for the club, or sets the club up to sell it. The PR hasn't been great so far, and she must realise this. The improvement in PR will be essential for any of her chosen paths.[/p][/quote]Saints N' Winners I agree with your comments on y original feed. THE Club's inability to feed its fans and the World with quality PR is legendary. My hope that Katherine would make a positive "I'm never selling the Club" statement is pure wishful thinking. The Board and Manager must know that all Clubs survive on the support of their fans ad we need to be fed some snippets of good and positive news at least once or twice a week. The Club has led with the Ryan Bertrand story for wht seems FOREVER and that is only because there is no other news. Graham, North of Watford
  • Score: 0

3:00pm Wed 6 Aug 14

george chivers says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Has Osvaldo gone yet??
Yes. And in his place we have signed a player called Ospreydo. A committed and passionate player who can found looking for opportunities and space in between and around the posts. He is a player of many talons.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Has Osvaldo gone yet??[/p][/quote]Yes. And in his place we have signed a player called Ospreydo. A committed and passionate player who can found looking for opportunities and space in between and around the posts. He is a player of many talons. george chivers
  • Score: -1

3:10pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Numpty Girl says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling.
Only took 12 posts to descend into insults.... is that some kind of record?
It's going to kick right off!

One Les Reed
There's only one Les Reed
One Lessss Reeeed.....
The Sound of Music to my ears!
How do you solve a problem like Les Reed!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]Should that be what a good job he did, looks as though you didn't do such a good job with your schooling.[/p][/quote]Only took 12 posts to descend into insults.... is that some kind of record?[/p][/quote]It's going to kick right off! One Les Reed There's only one Les Reed One Lessss Reeeed.....[/p][/quote]The Sound of Music to my ears! How do you solve a problem like Les Reed! Numpty Girl
  • Score: 0

3:13pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Numpty Girl says...

Reed seems to be dithering on Rojo and if we're not careful, then Liverhampton or Chelski will step in.
Reed seems to be dithering on Rojo and if we're not careful, then Liverhampton or Chelski will step in. Numpty Girl
  • Score: -1

3:18pm Wed 6 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
I am a 1960's unreconstructed Socialist and I've always been a totally cynical about what top people do for their money.

I couldn't tell you the difference between a Chief Executive or an Executive Director or a Chairman if I tried. We certainly know that in the bigger Companies, particularly Bnks that they decide each other's pay rises each year - I've got £50 in my back pocket to any charity of your choice that they haven't kept to the Public Sector 1% over the last 3/4/ years.

What I would value and welcome is an unscripted discussion with Katherine telling us her vision over the next 5 years and just precisely what she intends doing with the Club.

I am probably like most of you guys. I don't have a spare £500 quid in my back pocket let alone the odd spare £500m (or whatever you need) to own a Footie Club.

But I would like to know that her heart is i it for her Father's sake if nothing else.

I sort of, hope that she is in with the dream but I would so like to hear from her on the matter
Markus was an older guy who chased a football dream in his later years. SFC became his baby, and he came to understand the babies needs ie the fans I doubt whether his father loved football as much as he did, and doubt whether his daughter will either.
If she doesn't love this club as much as her father does, why would she tell everybody. Her best policy is to say little, and quietly get on with it, until such times as she decides to take more control, or has more of a feel for the club, or sets the club up to sell it.
The PR hasn't been great so far, and she must realise this. The improvement in PR will be essential for any of her chosen paths.
Saints N' Winners

I agree with your comments on y original feed. THE Club's inability to feed its fans and the World with quality PR is legendary.

My hope that Katherine would make a positive "I'm never selling the Club" statement is pure wishful thinking.

The Board and Manager must know that all Clubs survive on the support of their fans ad we need to be fed some snippets of good and positive news at least once or twice a week.

The Club has led with the Ryan Bertrand story for wht seems FOREVER and that is only because there is no other news.
Ooh, I think they are very PR orientated - it's just they need more genuine good news to be able to use it.

The statements from Les and Ralph and the photo shoots etc are a massive leap in terms of their PR savvy, but the environment isn't really right unfortunately in that such obvious PR is a tiny bit infuriating.

Must work to a small extent as I'm slightly less unhappy today :) but, yeah, I'm not keen on the PR side of things unless it is genuine get out there and meet people and ask their opinion stuff (which is probably what you're after).

I'm making a wild guess, but I get the impression that in recent months the board hasn't been great at actually talking to players - just releasing statements rather than building relationships - but that is I have to admit only based on murmurings from reports etc.

They've also been very PR active on all the youth team news and players we've resigning in the academy - this is what they see as the future and this is the message they want to push, push, push.

Of course in PR terms it helps if you don't sell lots of young talent at the same time and hope nobody notices but that's another story.
[quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: I am a 1960's unreconstructed Socialist and I've always been a totally cynical about what top people do for their money. I couldn't tell you the difference between a Chief Executive or an Executive Director or a Chairman if I tried. We certainly know that in the bigger Companies, particularly Bnks that they decide each other's pay rises each year - I've got £50 in my back pocket to any charity of your choice that they haven't kept to the Public Sector 1% over the last 3/4/ years. What I would value and welcome is an unscripted discussion with Katherine telling us her vision over the next 5 years and just precisely what she intends doing with the Club. I am probably like most of you guys. I don't have a spare £500 quid in my back pocket let alone the odd spare £500m (or whatever you need) to own a Footie Club. But I would like to know that her heart is i it for her Father's sake if nothing else. I sort of, hope that she is in with the dream but I would so like to hear from her on the matter[/p][/quote]Markus was an older guy who chased a football dream in his later years. SFC became his baby, and he came to understand the babies needs ie the fans I doubt whether his father loved football as much as he did, and doubt whether his daughter will either. If she doesn't love this club as much as her father does, why would she tell everybody. Her best policy is to say little, and quietly get on with it, until such times as she decides to take more control, or has more of a feel for the club, or sets the club up to sell it. The PR hasn't been great so far, and she must realise this. The improvement in PR will be essential for any of her chosen paths.[/p][/quote]Saints N' Winners I agree with your comments on y original feed. THE Club's inability to feed its fans and the World with quality PR is legendary. My hope that Katherine would make a positive "I'm never selling the Club" statement is pure wishful thinking. The Board and Manager must know that all Clubs survive on the support of their fans ad we need to be fed some snippets of good and positive news at least once or twice a week. The Club has led with the Ryan Bertrand story for wht seems FOREVER and that is only because there is no other news.[/p][/quote]Ooh, I think they are very PR orientated - it's just they need more genuine good news to be able to use it. The statements from Les and Ralph and the photo shoots etc are a massive leap in terms of their PR savvy, but the environment isn't really right unfortunately in that such obvious PR is a tiny bit infuriating. Must work to a small extent as I'm slightly less unhappy today :) but, yeah, I'm not keen on the PR side of things unless it is genuine get out there and meet people and ask their opinion stuff (which is probably what you're after). I'm making a wild guess, but I get the impression that in recent months the board hasn't been great at actually talking to players - just releasing statements rather than building relationships - but that is I have to admit only based on murmurings from reports etc. They've also been very PR active on all the youth team news and players we've resigning in the academy - this is what they see as the future and this is the message they want to push, push, push. Of course in PR terms it helps if you don't sell lots of young talent at the same time and hope nobody notices but that's another story. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

3:19pm Wed 6 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

george chivers wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Has Osvaldo gone yet??
Yes. And in his place we have signed a player called Ospreydo. A committed and passionate player who can found looking for opportunities and space in between and around the posts. He is a player of many talons.
I resemble that remark, at least I am cheep.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Has Osvaldo gone yet??[/p][/quote]Yes. And in his place we have signed a player called Ospreydo. A committed and passionate player who can found looking for opportunities and space in between and around the posts. He is a player of many talons.[/p][/quote]I resemble that remark, at least I am cheep. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

3:23pm Wed 6 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
Reed seems to be dithering on Rojo and if we're not careful, then Liverhampton or Chelski will step in.
Gosh, nothing worse than a case of Rojo dithering, stop it at once.
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: Reed seems to be dithering on Rojo and if we're not careful, then Liverhampton or Chelski will step in.[/p][/quote]Gosh, nothing worse than a case of Rojo dithering, stop it at once. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

3:26pm Wed 6 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

Here'e a thing..
I like you lot of great great unwashed love my team…we are all stuck with SFC so waddya gonna do.

some dont's..
I do not like the 'appearance' of us being misled, i do not like players being sold when we were told nobody would go, I do not like being told all money would go into new players which has changed to players plus paying off debt and finally players, paying off debt and wages, mission creep if ever I saw it..

However I do not like players kissing the badge and then doing one, I do not like players we stood by getting to big for their boots, I do not like double speak from players and management. i do not like our club being disrespected by players we pay the wages of.

I did not like the dismissal of NA (god bless him), nor the traetment of AP, the pi55 poor attitude to fans, the diablical catering and prices, the ridiculous rules and regulations that other premier clubs DO NOT
impose. I do not like foreign mercenaries nor local grown ones, i do not like SKY or corporates scewing the beautiful game in favor of a few.

I do not like mondays, the happy mondays, or whitsundays., i get sick on ice cream sundaes, worse losing saturdays are not fundays.

I hate valium, frozen peas and Gunwharf quays, but most i hate being lied to.

Love the saints but most of the time fun it a'int.
Here'e a thing.. I like you lot of great great unwashed love my team…we are all stuck with SFC so waddya gonna do. some dont's.. I do not like the 'appearance' of us being misled, i do not like players being sold when we were told nobody would go, I do not like being told all money would go into new players which has changed to players plus paying off debt and finally players, paying off debt and wages, mission creep if ever I saw it.. However I do not like players kissing the badge and then doing one, I do not like players we stood by getting to big for their boots, I do not like double speak from players and management. i do not like our club being disrespected by players we pay the wages of. I did not like the dismissal of NA (god bless him), nor the traetment of AP, the pi55 poor attitude to fans, the diablical catering and prices, the ridiculous rules and regulations that other premier clubs DO NOT impose. I do not like foreign mercenaries nor local grown ones, i do not like SKY or corporates scewing the beautiful game in favor of a few. I do not like mondays, the happy mondays, or whitsundays., i get sick on ice cream sundaes, worse losing saturdays are not fundays. I hate valium, frozen peas and Gunwharf quays, but most i hate being lied to. Love the saints but most of the time fun it a'int. warrens 76
  • Score: 1

3:43pm Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,
And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers.

Good analogy with NC?
We haven't hit the iceberg yet,and now there a different captain.
Perhaps if the same captain had ben left to his self fulfilling ways it wouldn't of been too long before we were scuppered on the bottom.
Bit unfair on Cortese,and based on his previous record,highly unlikely.At the moment he appears to be the whipping boy for a disaster that hasn't happened...yet.
I was rather hoping the disaster had been avoided by KLs intervention.
Well either way,nobody can be blamed for a disaster that hasn't happened,and didn't happen on their watch.
Innocent until proven guilty,and despite all the accusations,I've not seen much proof about.
He's gone now,whatever the reason,and instead of being crucified for the situation the club is in now,which we still have no idea is bad or not until the season starts,like another poster has said,we should be giving the guy the respect,gratitude and thanks for giving us all the chance to watch Prem football again.Because without him,it could've been so,so much worse!
Again sorry I respect your point of view but I don't have to many good words for NC.

You will say look what was achieved, money achieved what was achieved, being able to sign players in lower divisions and offer them the requisite deal, if I credit him anything he must of spun a bloody good story of what the future held,as I have stated many times though that vision and those promises should of been I agreed with the board and the owners.

Anyway as you say let's look forward enjoy Saturday, a good win under our belts (although that won't be easy they are a good side) have a few beers and look forward to bright long term future in the premiership.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Les reed is as good for saints as the iceberg was for the titanic, look with a good job that did,[/p][/quote]And one of the reasons for the Titanic hitting the iceberg, was because the guy in charge was was trying to go too fast, with little or no regard to the dangers. Good analogy with NC?[/p][/quote]We haven't hit the iceberg yet,and now there a different captain.[/p][/quote]Perhaps if the same captain had ben left to his self fulfilling ways it wouldn't of been too long before we were scuppered on the bottom.[/p][/quote]Bit unfair on Cortese,and based on his previous record,highly unlikely.At the moment he appears to be the whipping boy for a disaster that hasn't happened...yet.[/p][/quote]I was rather hoping the disaster had been avoided by KLs intervention.[/p][/quote]Well either way,nobody can be blamed for a disaster that hasn't happened,and didn't happen on their watch. Innocent until proven guilty,and despite all the accusations,I've not seen much proof about. He's gone now,whatever the reason,and instead of being crucified for the situation the club is in now,which we still have no idea is bad or not until the season starts,like another poster has said,we should be giving the guy the respect,gratitude and thanks for giving us all the chance to watch Prem football again.Because without him,it could've been so,so much worse![/p][/quote]Again sorry I respect your point of view but I don't have to many good words for NC. You will say look what was achieved, money achieved what was achieved, being able to sign players in lower divisions and offer them the requisite deal, if I credit him anything he must of spun a bloody good story of what the future held,as I have stated many times though that vision and those promises should of been I agreed with the board and the owners. Anyway as you say let's look forward enjoy Saturday, a good win under our belts (although that won't be easy they are a good side) have a few beers and look forward to bright long term future in the premiership. fascia123
  • Score: 5

4:11pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

conchy_joe wrote:
I would be very interested to hear a comment from the ECHO regarding the lack of long term signings. It seems that after Tadic and Pelle things ground to a halt. Rumours of Samaras, Fer, Vlaar and Redmond seem to have died a death. To be honest I'm not sure what to make of how things are going, we are less than two weeks away from the new season and it takes more than ten days to blend in new players. I think that no matter how pro upper management some people may be, the fact remains that there is a shortfall of approx' £70M between those leaving and those joining. Having supported the Saints since '58 I really want to be positive but I think that there is a lack of full commitment, that a very risky corporate game is being played. And if I was a shareholder could you really blame me for "shorting" my shares.
ECHO, Your view please.
I'm more interested in signings, not rumours of potential signings, which I don't particularly take very seriously.
[quote][p][bold]conchy_joe[/bold] wrote: I would be very interested to hear a comment from the ECHO regarding the lack of long term signings. It seems that after Tadic and Pelle things ground to a halt. Rumours of Samaras, Fer, Vlaar and Redmond seem to have died a death. To be honest I'm not sure what to make of how things are going, we are less than two weeks away from the new season and it takes more than ten days to blend in new players. I think that no matter how pro upper management some people may be, the fact remains that there is a shortfall of approx' £70M between those leaving and those joining. Having supported the Saints since '58 I really want to be positive but I think that there is a lack of full commitment, that a very risky corporate game is being played. And if I was a shareholder could you really blame me for "shorting" my shares. ECHO, Your view please.[/p][/quote]I'm more interested in signings, not rumours of potential signings, which I don't particularly take very seriously. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

4:33pm Wed 6 Aug 14

midlandsaint says...

Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?
Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board? midlandsaint
  • Score: 0

4:36pm Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

midlandsaint wrote:
Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?
He now has two allotments and finds it all a bit to much.

Who is he?
[quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?[/p][/quote]He now has two allotments and finds it all a bit to much. Who is he? fascia123
  • Score: 0

4:44pm Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

midlandsaint wrote:
Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?
Sorry I now know who he is/was but I can't find anything on google about him resigning?
[quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?[/p][/quote]Sorry I now know who he is/was but I can't find anything on google about him resigning? fascia123
  • Score: -1

4:44pm Wed 6 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

midlandsaint wrote:
Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?
http://www.saintsfc.
co.uk/news/article/0
6082014-statement-ap
pointment-of-directo
r-1808958.aspx

Don't think any Liverpool involvement in this one. Taider has signed anyhow.
[quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?[/p][/quote]http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/news/article/0 6082014-statement-ap pointment-of-directo r-1808958.aspx Don't think any Liverpool involvement in this one. Taider has signed anyhow. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

4:46pm Wed 6 Aug 14

midlandsaint says...

fascia123 wrote:
midlandsaint wrote:
Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?
He now has two allotments and finds it all a bit to much.

Who is he?
"As part of the wider process of strengthening Southampton’s leadership team, the Club can also announce the appointment of Hans Hofstetter and Gareth Rogers to the Holding Company’s Board of Directors.

Hans Hofstetter is an internationally connected business lawyer. His deep professional experience in corporate governance will be an invaluable asset to Southampton Football Club."
- http://www.saintsfc.
co.uk/news/article/a
nnouncement-new-chai
rman-appointed-14158
10.aspx#J6Gd4VIJwUOU
yQwI.99

"Meanwhile, the club can also confirm that Hans Hofstetter has resigned from the board of directors of St Mary’s Football Group Limited.

Hans joined the board of the football club’s holding company during a transitional period in January 2014 to help stabilise the club and lend his experience in corporate governance."
- http://www.saintsfc.
co.uk/news/article/0
6082014-statement-ap
pointment-of-directo
r-1808958.aspx#STqZI
yX9uJOWm3Fe.99
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?[/p][/quote]He now has two allotments and finds it all a bit to much. Who is he?[/p][/quote]"As part of the wider process of strengthening Southampton’s leadership team, the Club can also announce the appointment of Hans Hofstetter and Gareth Rogers to the Holding Company’s Board of Directors. Hans Hofstetter is an internationally connected business lawyer. His deep professional experience in corporate governance will be an invaluable asset to Southampton Football Club." - http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/news/article/a nnouncement-new-chai rman-appointed-14158 10.aspx#J6Gd4VIJwUOU yQwI.99 "Meanwhile, the club can also confirm that Hans Hofstetter has resigned from the board of directors of St Mary’s Football Group Limited. Hans joined the board of the football club’s holding company during a transitional period in January 2014 to help stabilise the club and lend his experience in corporate governance." - http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/news/article/0 6082014-statement-ap pointment-of-directo r-1808958.aspx#STqZI yX9uJOWm3Fe.99 midlandsaint
  • Score: 0

4:55pm Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

midlandsaint wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
midlandsaint wrote:
Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?
He now has two allotments and finds it all a bit to much.

Who is he?
"As part of the wider process of strengthening Southampton’s leadership team, the Club can also announce the appointment of Hans Hofstetter and Gareth Rogers to the Holding Company’s Board of Directors.

Hans Hofstetter is an internationally connected business lawyer. His deep professional experience in corporate governance will be an invaluable asset to Southampton Football Club."
- http://www.saintsfc.

co.uk/news/article/a

nnouncement-new-chai

rman-appointed-14158

10.aspx#J6Gd4VIJwUOU

yQwI.99

"Meanwhile, the club can also confirm that Hans Hofstetter has resigned from the board of directors of St Mary’s Football Group Limited.

Hans joined the board of the football club’s holding company during a transitional period in January 2014 to help stabilise the club and lend his experience in corporate governance."
- http://www.saintsfc.

co.uk/news/article/0

6082014-statement-ap

pointment-of-directo

r-1808958.aspx#STqZI

yX9uJOWm3Fe.99
Cool thanks for info.

I wonder now having read through the stuff on google about the financial condition of the club while searching for details of Hofstetter, if what I have said about Cortese and the route to destruction he was ploughing, which I have to admit was more of a gut feeling than an informed opinion, is not closer to the truth than even I first thought.
[quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?[/p][/quote]He now has two allotments and finds it all a bit to much. Who is he?[/p][/quote]"As part of the wider process of strengthening Southampton’s leadership team, the Club can also announce the appointment of Hans Hofstetter and Gareth Rogers to the Holding Company’s Board of Directors. Hans Hofstetter is an internationally connected business lawyer. His deep professional experience in corporate governance will be an invaluable asset to Southampton Football Club." - http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/news/article/a nnouncement-new-chai rman-appointed-14158 10.aspx#J6Gd4VIJwUOU yQwI.99 "Meanwhile, the club can also confirm that Hans Hofstetter has resigned from the board of directors of St Mary’s Football Group Limited. Hans joined the board of the football club’s holding company during a transitional period in January 2014 to help stabilise the club and lend his experience in corporate governance." - http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/news/article/0 6082014-statement-ap pointment-of-directo r-1808958.aspx#STqZI yX9uJOWm3Fe.99[/p][/quote]Cool thanks for info. I wonder now having read through the stuff on google about the financial condition of the club while searching for details of Hofstetter, if what I have said about Cortese and the route to destruction he was ploughing, which I have to admit was more of a gut feeling than an informed opinion, is not closer to the truth than even I first thought. fascia123
  • Score: 0

4:58pm Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

midlandsaint wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
midlandsaint wrote:
Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?
He now has two allotments and finds it all a bit to much.

Who is he?
"As part of the wider process of strengthening Southampton’s leadership team, the Club can also announce the appointment of Hans Hofstetter and Gareth Rogers to the Holding Company’s Board of Directors.

Hans Hofstetter is an internationally connected business lawyer. His deep professional experience in corporate governance will be an invaluable asset to Southampton Football Club."
- http://www.saintsfc.

co.uk/news/article/a

nnouncement-new-chai

rman-appointed-14158

10.aspx#J6Gd4VIJwUOU

yQwI.99

"Meanwhile, the club can also confirm that Hans Hofstetter has resigned from the board of directors of St Mary’s Football Group Limited.

Hans joined the board of the football club’s holding company during a transitional period in January 2014 to help stabilise the club and lend his experience in corporate governance."
- http://www.saintsfc.

co.uk/news/article/0

6082014-statement-ap

pointment-of-directo

r-1808958.aspx#STqZI

yX9uJOWm3Fe.99
Looking at it was he not just a short term appointment to assist in guiding them through the transition from the previous mob.
[quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?[/p][/quote]He now has two allotments and finds it all a bit to much. Who is he?[/p][/quote]"As part of the wider process of strengthening Southampton’s leadership team, the Club can also announce the appointment of Hans Hofstetter and Gareth Rogers to the Holding Company’s Board of Directors. Hans Hofstetter is an internationally connected business lawyer. His deep professional experience in corporate governance will be an invaluable asset to Southampton Football Club." - http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/news/article/a nnouncement-new-chai rman-appointed-14158 10.aspx#J6Gd4VIJwUOU yQwI.99 "Meanwhile, the club can also confirm that Hans Hofstetter has resigned from the board of directors of St Mary’s Football Group Limited. Hans joined the board of the football club’s holding company during a transitional period in January 2014 to help stabilise the club and lend his experience in corporate governance." - http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/news/article/0 6082014-statement-ap pointment-of-directo r-1808958.aspx#STqZI yX9uJOWm3Fe.99[/p][/quote]Looking at it was he not just a short term appointment to assist in guiding them through the transition from the previous mob. fascia123
  • Score: 0

5:24pm Wed 6 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
I dont trust this muppet board and liars as far as I could throw them. Some of you are still saying you trust them after all the lies. No players would be sold and we will not have a player exodus my A@$. Some of You must know something I dont!
As you appear to know very little, I guess most of us know a lot more than you? I look forward to a day when you post a positive thought, but I suspect I will be pushing up the daisies long before that happens. Enjoy your misery, but don't expect or ask the majority to stay with you. Best if you jogged on.
He is entitle to his opinion without being told to jog on. This kind of repeated attack on posters is the reason you are so unpopular on this board, if you haven't already sussed this out for yourself.
wow that's a bit rich!
do you have any idea how many times osprey, myself and other poster who try to see things in a rational manner and without throwing out blame or accusing every member of the board get told to `jog on`?
Wums have infected this site for a long time and are throwing abuse at anyone who posts anything positive, we have all been told to get off of the site in non too pleasant ways by several wums.
osprey is well within his rights to strike back after the abuse he has been given!
if others are entitled to their opinion then why are you saying osprey isn't?
osprey doesn't need me to stand up for him, but I get annoyed at post like this when you have no idea!
do you know the repeated attacks osprey has had aimed at him? NO!
do you know if osprey is `unpopular on this board`? NO! he may be unpopular with ums, as I am, but that's because we give back as good as we get and they don't like it!
do you think osprey is entitled to his opinion without being told that he repeatedly attacks poster and is unpopular?
its posts like this that are the worst type on this site, if you don't like his posts then don't read them, no one is forcing you to!
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: I dont trust this muppet board and liars as far as I could throw them. Some of you are still saying you trust them after all the lies. No players would be sold and we will not have a player exodus my A@$. Some of You must know something I dont![/p][/quote]As you appear to know very little, I guess most of us know a lot more than you? I look forward to a day when you post a positive thought, but I suspect I will be pushing up the daisies long before that happens. Enjoy your misery, but don't expect or ask the majority to stay with you. Best if you jogged on.[/p][/quote]He is entitle to his opinion without being told to jog on. This kind of repeated attack on posters is the reason you are so unpopular on this board, if you haven't already sussed this out for yourself.[/p][/quote]wow that's a bit rich! do you have any idea how many times osprey, myself and other poster who try to see things in a rational manner and without throwing out blame or accusing every member of the board get told to `jog on`? Wums have infected this site for a long time and are throwing abuse at anyone who posts anything positive, we have all been told to get off of the site in non too pleasant ways by several wums. osprey is well within his rights to strike back after the abuse he has been given! if others are entitled to their opinion then why are you saying osprey isn't? osprey doesn't need me to stand up for him, but I get annoyed at post like this when you have no idea! do you know the repeated attacks osprey has had aimed at him? NO! do you know if osprey is `unpopular on this board`? NO! he may be unpopular with ums, as I am, but that's because we give back as good as we get and they don't like it! do you think osprey is entitled to his opinion without being told that he repeatedly attacks poster and is unpopular? its posts like this that are the worst type on this site, if you don't like his posts then don't read them, no one is forcing you to! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -4

5:24pm Wed 6 Aug 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Confucious wrote:
Two particular pieces from the press coverage today caught my attention.....

"Saints...has an owner who is passionate, loves the team, loves the people and loves what her father passed onto her."

"When she sees 30,000 people having pleasure watching the team perform it makes her happy in the memory of why her father invested in the first place."

I think this is underlined by the fact that, despite not being a footie fan at all in the past, Katherina came over for our home matches last season to support the team.

The most unpleasant aspect of the involuntary alliance on here between the sad WUMs, visiting skates and, it has to be said, many frustrated genuine Saints fans with a legitimate point of view, has been the personal abuse of the owner. That taints the legacy that Markus left and is entirely unsupported by evidence. It is also potentially very destructive.

No WUMs or skates of course at St Marys where I'm sure the rest of us will come together again, put aside the differences and support the club and the team.
Good Post Confucious
Whilst i have expressed my frustrations on hear due to what I believed to be a missed opportunity to push on from last season, I have never thought that Katharina has intended to sell the club.
The board and managerial appointments together with making the club financially stable again all point to a long term strategy. We can never be sure of anything in football but I have not seen any signs that she is selling the club, quite the opposite and we are lucky to have her as our owner.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Two particular pieces from the press coverage today caught my attention..... "Saints...has an owner who is passionate, loves the team, loves the people and loves what her father passed onto her." "When she sees 30,000 people having pleasure watching the team perform it makes her happy in the memory of why her father invested in the first place." I think this is underlined by the fact that, despite not being a footie fan at all in the past, Katherina came over for our home matches last season to support the team. The most unpleasant aspect of the involuntary alliance on here between the sad WUMs, visiting skates and, it has to be said, many frustrated genuine Saints fans with a legitimate point of view, has been the personal abuse of the owner. That taints the legacy that Markus left and is entirely unsupported by evidence. It is also potentially very destructive. No WUMs or skates of course at St Marys where I'm sure the rest of us will come together again, put aside the differences and support the club and the team.[/p][/quote]Good Post Confucious Whilst i have expressed my frustrations on hear due to what I believed to be a missed opportunity to push on from last season, I have never thought that Katharina has intended to sell the club. The board and managerial appointments together with making the club financially stable again all point to a long term strategy. We can never be sure of anything in football but I have not seen any signs that she is selling the club, quite the opposite and we are lucky to have her as our owner. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 4

5:29pm Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
I dont trust this muppet board and liars as far as I could throw them. Some of you are still saying you trust them after all the lies. No players would be sold and we will not have a player exodus my A@$. Some of You must know something I dont!
As you appear to know very little, I guess most of us know a lot more than you? I look forward to a day when you post a positive thought, but I suspect I will be pushing up the daisies long before that happens. Enjoy your misery, but don't expect or ask the majority to stay with you. Best if you jogged on.
He is entitle to his opinion without being told to jog on. This kind of repeated attack on posters is the reason you are so unpopular on this board, if you haven't already sussed this out for yourself.
wow that's a bit rich!
do you have any idea how many times osprey, myself and other poster who try to see things in a rational manner and without throwing out blame or accusing every member of the board get told to `jog on`?
Wums have infected this site for a long time and are throwing abuse at anyone who posts anything positive, we have all been told to get off of the site in non too pleasant ways by several wums.
osprey is well within his rights to strike back after the abuse he has been given!
if others are entitled to their opinion then why are you saying osprey isn't?
osprey doesn't need me to stand up for him, but I get annoyed at post like this when you have no idea!
do you know the repeated attacks osprey has had aimed at him? NO!
do you know if osprey is `unpopular on this board`? NO! he may be unpopular with ums, as I am, but that's because we give back as good as we get and they don't like it!
do you think osprey is entitled to his opinion without being told that he repeatedly attacks poster and is unpopular?
its posts like this that are the worst type on this site, if you don't like his posts then don't read them, no one is forcing you to!
I love him, can you please tell me what an ums is?
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: I dont trust this muppet board and liars as far as I could throw them. Some of you are still saying you trust them after all the lies. No players would be sold and we will not have a player exodus my A@$. Some of You must know something I dont![/p][/quote]As you appear to know very little, I guess most of us know a lot more than you? I look forward to a day when you post a positive thought, but I suspect I will be pushing up the daisies long before that happens. Enjoy your misery, but don't expect or ask the majority to stay with you. Best if you jogged on.[/p][/quote]He is entitle to his opinion without being told to jog on. This kind of repeated attack on posters is the reason you are so unpopular on this board, if you haven't already sussed this out for yourself.[/p][/quote]wow that's a bit rich! do you have any idea how many times osprey, myself and other poster who try to see things in a rational manner and without throwing out blame or accusing every member of the board get told to `jog on`? Wums have infected this site for a long time and are throwing abuse at anyone who posts anything positive, we have all been told to get off of the site in non too pleasant ways by several wums. osprey is well within his rights to strike back after the abuse he has been given! if others are entitled to their opinion then why are you saying osprey isn't? osprey doesn't need me to stand up for him, but I get annoyed at post like this when you have no idea! do you know the repeated attacks osprey has had aimed at him? NO! do you know if osprey is `unpopular on this board`? NO! he may be unpopular with ums, as I am, but that's because we give back as good as we get and they don't like it! do you think osprey is entitled to his opinion without being told that he repeatedly attacks poster and is unpopular? its posts like this that are the worst type on this site, if you don't like his posts then don't read them, no one is forcing you to![/p][/quote]I love him, can you please tell me what an ums is? fascia123
  • Score: -1

5:36pm Wed 6 Aug 14

echo1948 says...

midlandsaint wrote:
Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?
Saints tried to sell him to Liverpool.
[quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?[/p][/quote]Saints tried to sell him to Liverpool. echo1948
  • Score: 0

5:36pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
midlandsaint wrote:
Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?
He now has two allotments and finds it all a bit to much.

Who is he?
Oh " gardening leave" then. Nudge nudge,wink wink, know what I mean?!
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?[/p][/quote]He now has two allotments and finds it all a bit to much. Who is he?[/p][/quote]Oh " gardening leave" then. Nudge nudge,wink wink, know what I mean?! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

5:41pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
midlandsaint wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
midlandsaint wrote:
Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?
He now has two allotments and finds it all a bit to much.

Who is he?
"As part of the wider process of strengthening Southampton’s leadership team, the Club can also announce the appointment of Hans Hofstetter and Gareth Rogers to the Holding Company’s Board of Directors.

Hans Hofstetter is an internationally connected business lawyer. His deep professional experience in corporate governance will be an invaluable asset to Southampton Football Club."
- http://www.saintsfc.


co.uk/news/article/a


nnouncement-new-chai


rman-appointed-14158


10.aspx#J6Gd4VIJwUOU


yQwI.99

"Meanwhile, the club can also confirm that Hans Hofstetter has resigned from the board of directors of St Mary’s Football Group Limited.

Hans joined the board of the football club’s holding company during a transitional period in January 2014 to help stabilise the club and lend his experience in corporate governance."
- http://www.saintsfc.


co.uk/news/article/0


6082014-statement-ap


pointment-of-directo


r-1808958.aspx#STqZI


yX9uJOWm3Fe.99
Cool thanks for info.

I wonder now having read through the stuff on google about the financial condition of the club while searching for details of Hofstetter, if what I have said about Cortese and the route to destruction he was ploughing, which I have to admit was more of a gut feeling than an informed opinion, is not closer to the truth than even I first thought.
Careful Fascia,I bet he's got a more expensive lawyer than you've got! ;0)
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?[/p][/quote]He now has two allotments and finds it all a bit to much. Who is he?[/p][/quote]"As part of the wider process of strengthening Southampton’s leadership team, the Club can also announce the appointment of Hans Hofstetter and Gareth Rogers to the Holding Company’s Board of Directors. Hans Hofstetter is an internationally connected business lawyer. His deep professional experience in corporate governance will be an invaluable asset to Southampton Football Club." - http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/news/article/a nnouncement-new-chai rman-appointed-14158 10.aspx#J6Gd4VIJwUOU yQwI.99 "Meanwhile, the club can also confirm that Hans Hofstetter has resigned from the board of directors of St Mary’s Football Group Limited. Hans joined the board of the football club’s holding company during a transitional period in January 2014 to help stabilise the club and lend his experience in corporate governance." - http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/news/article/0 6082014-statement-ap pointment-of-directo r-1808958.aspx#STqZI yX9uJOWm3Fe.99[/p][/quote]Cool thanks for info. I wonder now having read through the stuff on google about the financial condition of the club while searching for details of Hofstetter, if what I have said about Cortese and the route to destruction he was ploughing, which I have to admit was more of a gut feeling than an informed opinion, is not closer to the truth than even I first thought.[/p][/quote]Careful Fascia,I bet he's got a more expensive lawyer than you've got! ;0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

5:50pm Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
midlandsaint wrote:
Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?
He now has two allotments and finds it all a bit to much.

Who is he?
Oh " gardening leave" then. Nudge nudge,wink wink, know what I mean?!
:-)
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?[/p][/quote]He now has two allotments and finds it all a bit to much. Who is he?[/p][/quote]Oh " gardening leave" then. Nudge nudge,wink wink, know what I mean?![/p][/quote]:-) fascia123
  • Score: 0

5:53pm Wed 6 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
midlandsaint wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
midlandsaint wrote:
Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?
He now has two allotments and finds it all a bit to much.

Who is he?
"As part of the wider process of strengthening Southampton’s leadership team, the Club can also announce the appointment of Hans Hofstetter and Gareth Rogers to the Holding Company’s Board of Directors.

Hans Hofstetter is an internationally connected business lawyer. His deep professional experience in corporate governance will be an invaluable asset to Southampton Football Club."
- http://www.saintsfc.



co.uk/news/article/a



nnouncement-new-chai



rman-appointed-14158



10.aspx#J6Gd4VIJwUOU



yQwI.99

"Meanwhile, the club can also confirm that Hans Hofstetter has resigned from the board of directors of St Mary’s Football Group Limited.

Hans joined the board of the football club’s holding company during a transitional period in January 2014 to help stabilise the club and lend his experience in corporate governance."
- http://www.saintsfc.



co.uk/news/article/0



6082014-statement-ap



pointment-of-directo



r-1808958.aspx#STqZI



yX9uJOWm3Fe.99
Cool thanks for info.

I wonder now having read through the stuff on google about the financial condition of the club while searching for details of Hofstetter, if what I have said about Cortese and the route to destruction he was ploughing, which I have to admit was more of a gut feeling than an informed opinion, is not closer to the truth than even I first thought.
Careful Fascia,I bet he's got a more expensive lawyer than you've got! ;0)
I guarantee it, I bet he ain't on legal aid.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?[/p][/quote]He now has two allotments and finds it all a bit to much. Who is he?[/p][/quote]"As part of the wider process of strengthening Southampton’s leadership team, the Club can also announce the appointment of Hans Hofstetter and Gareth Rogers to the Holding Company’s Board of Directors. Hans Hofstetter is an internationally connected business lawyer. His deep professional experience in corporate governance will be an invaluable asset to Southampton Football Club." - http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/news/article/a nnouncement-new-chai rman-appointed-14158 10.aspx#J6Gd4VIJwUOU yQwI.99 "Meanwhile, the club can also confirm that Hans Hofstetter has resigned from the board of directors of St Mary’s Football Group Limited. Hans joined the board of the football club’s holding company during a transitional period in January 2014 to help stabilise the club and lend his experience in corporate governance." - http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/news/article/0 6082014-statement-ap pointment-of-directo r-1808958.aspx#STqZI yX9uJOWm3Fe.99[/p][/quote]Cool thanks for info. I wonder now having read through the stuff on google about the financial condition of the club while searching for details of Hofstetter, if what I have said about Cortese and the route to destruction he was ploughing, which I have to admit was more of a gut feeling than an informed opinion, is not closer to the truth than even I first thought.[/p][/quote]Careful Fascia,I bet he's got a more expensive lawyer than you've got! ;0)[/p][/quote]I guarantee it, I bet he ain't on legal aid. fascia123
  • Score: 1

5:57pm Wed 6 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

fascia123 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
I dont trust this muppet board and liars as far as I could throw them. Some of you are still saying you trust them after all the lies. No players would be sold and we will not have a player exodus my A@$. Some of You must know something I dont!
As you appear to know very little, I guess most of us know a lot more than you? I look forward to a day when you post a positive thought, but I suspect I will be pushing up the daisies long before that happens. Enjoy your misery, but don't expect or ask the majority to stay with you. Best if you jogged on.
He is entitle to his opinion without being told to jog on. This kind of repeated attack on posters is the reason you are so unpopular on this board, if you haven't already sussed this out for yourself.
wow that's a bit rich!
do you have any idea how many times osprey, myself and other poster who try to see things in a rational manner and without throwing out blame or accusing every member of the board get told to `jog on`?
Wums have infected this site for a long time and are throwing abuse at anyone who posts anything positive, we have all been told to get off of the site in non too pleasant ways by several wums.
osprey is well within his rights to strike back after the abuse he has been given!
if others are entitled to their opinion then why are you saying osprey isn't?
osprey doesn't need me to stand up for him, but I get annoyed at post like this when you have no idea!
do you know the repeated attacks osprey has had aimed at him? NO!
do you know if osprey is `unpopular on this board`? NO! he may be unpopular with ums, as I am, but that's because we give back as good as we get and they don't like it!
do you think osprey is entitled to his opinion without being told that he repeatedly attacks poster and is unpopular?
its posts like this that are the worst type on this site, if you don't like his posts then don't read them, no one is forcing you to!
I love him, can you please tell me what an ums is?
It is a WUM that doesn't quite make the grade.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: I dont trust this muppet board and liars as far as I could throw them. Some of you are still saying you trust them after all the lies. No players would be sold and we will not have a player exodus my A@$. Some of You must know something I dont![/p][/quote]As you appear to know very little, I guess most of us know a lot more than you? I look forward to a day when you post a positive thought, but I suspect I will be pushing up the daisies long before that happens. Enjoy your misery, but don't expect or ask the majority to stay with you. Best if you jogged on.[/p][/quote]He is entitle to his opinion without being told to jog on. This kind of repeated attack on posters is the reason you are so unpopular on this board, if you haven't already sussed this out for yourself.[/p][/quote]wow that's a bit rich! do you have any idea how many times osprey, myself and other poster who try to see things in a rational manner and without throwing out blame or accusing every member of the board get told to `jog on`? Wums have infected this site for a long time and are throwing abuse at anyone who posts anything positive, we have all been told to get off of the site in non too pleasant ways by several wums. osprey is well within his rights to strike back after the abuse he has been given! if others are entitled to their opinion then why are you saying osprey isn't? osprey doesn't need me to stand up for him, but I get annoyed at post like this when you have no idea! do you know the repeated attacks osprey has had aimed at him? NO! do you know if osprey is `unpopular on this board`? NO! he may be unpopular with ums, as I am, but that's because we give back as good as we get and they don't like it! do you think osprey is entitled to his opinion without being told that he repeatedly attacks poster and is unpopular? its posts like this that are the worst type on this site, if you don't like his posts then don't read them, no one is forcing you to![/p][/quote]I love him, can you please tell me what an ums is?[/p][/quote]It is a WUM that doesn't quite make the grade. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

5:59pm Wed 6 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

fascia123 wrote:
midlandsaint wrote:
Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?
Sorry I now know who he is/was but I can't find anything on google about him resigning?
We need the expertise of Skating for this one.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?[/p][/quote]Sorry I now know who he is/was but I can't find anything on google about him resigning?[/p][/quote]We need the expertise of Skating for this one. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

6:03pm Wed 6 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
Reed seems to be dithering on Rojo and if we're not careful, then Liverhampton or Chelski will step in.
Gosh, nothing worse than a case of Rojo dithering, stop it at once.
Looks like the selling Club are being too greedy on this one, turned down our second offer if tweets are to be believed, negotiations may still be ongoing, don't build your hopes up too much.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: Reed seems to be dithering on Rojo and if we're not careful, then Liverhampton or Chelski will step in.[/p][/quote]Gosh, nothing worse than a case of Rojo dithering, stop it at once.[/p][/quote]Looks like the selling Club are being too greedy on this one, turned down our second offer if tweets are to be believed, negotiations may still be ongoing, don't build your hopes up too much. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

6:22pm Wed 6 Aug 14

midlandsaint says...

fascia123 wrote:
midlandsaint wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
midlandsaint wrote:
Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?
He now has two allotments and finds it all a bit to much.

Who is he?
"As part of the wider process of strengthening Southampton’s leadership team, the Club can also announce the appointment of Hans Hofstetter and Gareth Rogers to the Holding Company’s Board of Directors.

Hans Hofstetter is an internationally connected business lawyer. His deep professional experience in corporate governance will be an invaluable asset to Southampton Football Club."
- http://www.saintsfc.


co.uk/news/article/a


nnouncement-new-chai


rman-appointed-14158


10.aspx#J6Gd4VIJwUOU


yQwI.99

"Meanwhile, the club can also confirm that Hans Hofstetter has resigned from the board of directors of St Mary’s Football Group Limited.

Hans joined the board of the football club’s holding company during a transitional period in January 2014 to help stabilise the club and lend his experience in corporate governance."
- http://www.saintsfc.


co.uk/news/article/0


6082014-statement-ap


pointment-of-directo


r-1808958.aspx#STqZI


yX9uJOWm3Fe.99
Looking at it was he not just a short term appointment to assist in guiding them through the transition from the previous mob.
Fascia123, that was my initial thought. That he had been brought in for a specific purpose, has achieved it and so now moved on. Was just curious if there was anything more to it.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: Anyone have any idea what led to Hans Hofstetter's resignation from the Board?[/p][/quote]He now has two allotments and finds it all a bit to much. Who is he?[/p][/quote]"As part of the wider process of strengthening Southampton’s leadership team, the Club can also announce the appointment of Hans Hofstetter and Gareth Rogers to the Holding Company’s Board of Directors. Hans Hofstetter is an internationally connected business lawyer. His deep professional experience in corporate governance will be an invaluable asset to Southampton Football Club." - http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/news/article/a nnouncement-new-chai rman-appointed-14158 10.aspx#J6Gd4VIJwUOU yQwI.99 "Meanwhile, the club can also confirm that Hans Hofstetter has resigned from the board of directors of St Mary’s Football Group Limited. Hans joined the board of the football club’s holding company during a transitional period in January 2014 to help stabilise the club and lend his experience in corporate governance." - http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/news/article/0 6082014-statement-ap pointment-of-directo r-1808958.aspx#STqZI yX9uJOWm3Fe.99[/p][/quote]Looking at it was he not just a short term appointment to assist in guiding them through the transition from the previous mob.[/p][/quote]Fascia123, that was my initial thought. That he had been brought in for a specific purpose, has achieved it and so now moved on. Was just curious if there was anything more to it. midlandsaint
  • Score: 1

6:30pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Saints n Winners says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
I dont trust this muppet board and liars as far as I could throw them. Some of you are still saying you trust them after all the lies. No players would be sold and we will not have a player exodus my A@$. Some of You must know something I dont!
As you appear to know very little, I guess most of us know a lot more than you? I look forward to a day when you post a positive thought, but I suspect I will be pushing up the daisies long before that happens. Enjoy your misery, but don't expect or ask the majority to stay with you. Best if you jogged on.
He is entitle to his opinion without being told to jog on. This kind of repeated attack on posters is the reason you are so unpopular on this board, if you haven't already sussed this out for yourself.
wow that's a bit rich!
do you have any idea how many times osprey, myself and other poster who try to see things in a rational manner and without throwing out blame or accusing every member of the board get told to `jog on`?
Wums have infected this site for a long time and are throwing abuse at anyone who posts anything positive, we have all been told to get off of the site in non too pleasant ways by several wums.
osprey is well within his rights to strike back after the abuse he has been given!
if others are entitled to their opinion then why are you saying osprey isn't?
osprey doesn't need me to stand up for him, but I get annoyed at post like this when you have no idea!
do you know the repeated attacks osprey has had aimed at him? NO!
do you know if osprey is `unpopular on this board`? NO! he may be unpopular with ums, as I am, but that's because we give back as good as we get and they don't like it!
do you think osprey is entitled to his opinion without being told that he repeatedly attacks poster and is unpopular?
its posts like this that are the worst type on this site, if you don't like his posts then don't read them, no one is forcing you to!
If people continue telling other people where to go, then it's the old maxim "what goes around..." It really is that simple - and I don't believe there are so many wums here - just people with contrary opinions.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: I dont trust this muppet board and liars as far as I could throw them. Some of you are still saying you trust them after all the lies. No players would be sold and we will not have a player exodus my A@$. Some of You must know something I dont![/p][/quote]As you appear to know very little, I guess most of us know a lot more than you? I look forward to a day when you post a positive thought, but I suspect I will be pushing up the daisies long before that happens. Enjoy your misery, but don't expect or ask the majority to stay with you. Best if you jogged on.[/p][/quote]He is entitle to his opinion without being told to jog on. This kind of repeated attack on posters is the reason you are so unpopular on this board, if you haven't already sussed this out for yourself.[/p][/quote]wow that's a bit rich! do you have any idea how many times osprey, myself and other poster who try to see things in a rational manner and without throwing out blame or accusing every member of the board get told to `jog on`? Wums have infected this site for a long time and are throwing abuse at anyone who posts anything positive, we have all been told to get off of the site in non too pleasant ways by several wums. osprey is well within his rights to strike back after the abuse he has been given! if others are entitled to their opinion then why are you saying osprey isn't? osprey doesn't need me to stand up for him, but I get annoyed at post like this when you have no idea! do you know the repeated attacks osprey has had aimed at him? NO! do you know if osprey is `unpopular on this board`? NO! he may be unpopular with ums, as I am, but that's because we give back as good as we get and they don't like it! do you think osprey is entitled to his opinion without being told that he repeatedly attacks poster and is unpopular? its posts like this that are the worst type on this site, if you don't like his posts then don't read them, no one is forcing you to![/p][/quote]If people continue telling other people where to go, then it's the old maxim "what goes around..." It really is that simple - and I don't believe there are so many wums here - just people with contrary opinions. Saints n Winners
  • Score: 2

7:01pm Wed 6 Aug 14

mack chinnon says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Hail Les! Hail! Amazing.
Came up to Newcastle this morning with a couple of your mob.
They thought you were probably out fishing.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Hail Les! Hail! Amazing.[/p][/quote]Came up to Newcastle this morning with a couple of your mob. They thought you were probably out fishing. mack chinnon
  • Score: 0

7:16pm Wed 6 Aug 14

seasideoldgit says...

So the Canadian who knows nothing about English football, calls loyal supporters 'customers' like we will shop around elsewhere if we do not like the 'product' he is selling, I think he means our first team. He thinks dozy Les is great. Well we will see over the next few weeks whether this cobbled together team and policy of trying to run a premier league team at a huge profit will work wont we, Still plenty of new back room staff with their snouts in the trough. It will be a very empty trough very quickly if we get relegated best not to eat the golden goose. Hope to be proved wrong and our new Dutchman, who seems honest enough, will sort it out if he is allowed to spend the money.
So the Canadian who knows nothing about English football, calls loyal supporters 'customers' like we will shop around elsewhere if we do not like the 'product' he is selling, I think he means our first team. He thinks dozy Les is great. Well we will see over the next few weeks whether this cobbled together team and policy of trying to run a premier league team at a huge profit will work wont we, Still plenty of new back room staff with their snouts in the trough. It will be a very empty trough very quickly if we get relegated best not to eat the golden goose. Hope to be proved wrong and our new Dutchman, who seems honest enough, will sort it out if he is allowed to spend the money. seasideoldgit
  • Score: -2

7:27pm Wed 6 Aug 14

upwherewebelong says...

excuse my ignorance but what is a wum ??
excuse my ignorance but what is a wum ?? upwherewebelong
  • Score: -1

7:41pm Wed 6 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

upwherewebelong wrote:
excuse my ignorance but what is a wum ??
It is a woman's bottom.
[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: excuse my ignorance but what is a wum ??[/p][/quote]It is a woman's bottom. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

7:44pm Wed 6 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

SaintJD wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
excuse my ignorance but what is a wum ??
It is a woman's bottom.
Otherwise known as a wind-up merchant
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: excuse my ignorance but what is a wum ??[/p][/quote]It is a woman's bottom.[/p][/quote]Otherwise known as a wind-up merchant SaintJD
  • Score: 0

8:47pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

mack chinnon wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Hail Les! Hail! Amazing.
Came up to Newcastle this morning with a couple of your mob.
They thought you were probably out fishing.
Nah, that's tomorrow, Salmon fishing on Broadlands estate!
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Hail Les! Hail! Amazing.[/p][/quote]Came up to Newcastle this morning with a couple of your mob. They thought you were probably out fishing.[/p][/quote]Nah, that's tomorrow, Salmon fishing on Broadlands estate! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

9:42pm Wed 6 Aug 14

upwherewebelong says...

SaintJD wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
excuse my ignorance but what is a wum ??
It is a woman's bottom.
Otherwise known as a wind-up merchant
Thank you for the answers.

For me Reed still has to earn my trust. As long as they keep their word about no more departures they will begin to earn my trust. I think Krueger may be pushing the Reed appreciation line a little to hard with the fans. As it is clear that Reed has said some things that have come back to bite him. We as fans will never know the truth about Shaw potentially going before this summer but given the character he has shown I don't doubt he probably did want to jump ship from the club that made him. I will hold off making any further snap judgements but what is clear to me is like other fans patience is not my strong point and I want to see the 4-5 extra players we need to have the makings of a competitive squad signed already. Unfortunately Saints have never been quick at signing players as they keep things quieter than other clubs. I just hope that by 17th we have the additions we need.

One thing I will add is reading the article in the Daily Telegraph today Krueger said it is clear that the investment from Katarina had to stop. That worries me as we are being told she "loves the club" etc but if Krueger is saying she no longer wishes to invest any thoughts of new stadiums or expansions or big pushes for success through spending are over.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: excuse my ignorance but what is a wum ??[/p][/quote]It is a woman's bottom.[/p][/quote]Otherwise known as a wind-up merchant[/p][/quote]Thank you for the answers. For me Reed still has to earn my trust. As long as they keep their word about no more departures they will begin to earn my trust. I think Krueger may be pushing the Reed appreciation line a little to hard with the fans. As it is clear that Reed has said some things that have come back to bite him. We as fans will never know the truth about Shaw potentially going before this summer but given the character he has shown I don't doubt he probably did want to jump ship from the club that made him. I will hold off making any further snap judgements but what is clear to me is like other fans patience is not my strong point and I want to see the 4-5 extra players we need to have the makings of a competitive squad signed already. Unfortunately Saints have never been quick at signing players as they keep things quieter than other clubs. I just hope that by 17th we have the additions we need. One thing I will add is reading the article in the Daily Telegraph today Krueger said it is clear that the investment from Katarina had to stop. That worries me as we are being told she "loves the club" etc but if Krueger is saying she no longer wishes to invest any thoughts of new stadiums or expansions or big pushes for success through spending are over. upwherewebelong
  • Score: -1

10:49pm Wed 6 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

upwherewebelong wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
excuse my ignorance but what is a wum ??
It is a woman's bottom.
Otherwise known as a wind-up merchant
Thank you for the answers.

For me Reed still has to earn my trust. As long as they keep their word about no more departures they will begin to earn my trust. I think Krueger may be pushing the Reed appreciation line a little to hard with the fans. As it is clear that Reed has said some things that have come back to bite him. We as fans will never know the truth about Shaw potentially going before this summer but given the character he has shown I don't doubt he probably did want to jump ship from the club that made him. I will hold off making any further snap judgements but what is clear to me is like other fans patience is not my strong point and I want to see the 4-5 extra players we need to have the makings of a competitive squad signed already. Unfortunately Saints have never been quick at signing players as they keep things quieter than other clubs. I just hope that by 17th we have the additions we need.

One thing I will add is reading the article in the Daily Telegraph today Krueger said it is clear that the investment from Katarina had to stop. That worries me as we are being told she "loves the club" etc but if Krueger is saying she no longer wishes to invest any thoughts of new stadiums or expansions or big pushes for success through spending are over.
I think you may have it wrong about Kat cutting off the investment through choice, the rules are changing about investment, they are trying to insist that Clubs are self sufficient. It is very complicated and needs more expertise from them that know.
[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: excuse my ignorance but what is a wum ??[/p][/quote]It is a woman's bottom.[/p][/quote]Otherwise known as a wind-up merchant[/p][/quote]Thank you for the answers. For me Reed still has to earn my trust. As long as they keep their word about no more departures they will begin to earn my trust. I think Krueger may be pushing the Reed appreciation line a little to hard with the fans. As it is clear that Reed has said some things that have come back to bite him. We as fans will never know the truth about Shaw potentially going before this summer but given the character he has shown I don't doubt he probably did want to jump ship from the club that made him. I will hold off making any further snap judgements but what is clear to me is like other fans patience is not my strong point and I want to see the 4-5 extra players we need to have the makings of a competitive squad signed already. Unfortunately Saints have never been quick at signing players as they keep things quieter than other clubs. I just hope that by 17th we have the additions we need. One thing I will add is reading the article in the Daily Telegraph today Krueger said it is clear that the investment from Katarina had to stop. That worries me as we are being told she "loves the club" etc but if Krueger is saying she no longer wishes to invest any thoughts of new stadiums or expansions or big pushes for success through spending are over.[/p][/quote]I think you may have it wrong about Kat cutting off the investment through choice, the rules are changing about investment, they are trying to insist that Clubs are self sufficient. It is very complicated and needs more expertise from them that know. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

10:53pm Wed 6 Aug 14

lillylooper says...

"a healthier position now" yes because they sold of 3/4 of the team
"a healthier position now" yes because they sold of 3/4 of the team lillylooper
  • Score: -2

10:59pm Wed 6 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

lillylooper wrote:
"a healthier position now" yes because they sold of 3/4 of the team
In Lovrens case a quarter of him went first (i.e. his head) the other three quarters followed later. Not a real Saints fan are you?
[quote][p][bold]lillylooper[/bold] wrote: "a healthier position now" yes because they sold of 3/4 of the team[/p][/quote]In Lovrens case a quarter of him went first (i.e. his head) the other three quarters followed later. Not a real Saints fan are you? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

11:01pm Wed 6 Aug 14

upwherewebelong says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
excuse my ignorance but what is a wum ??
It is a woman's bottom.
Otherwise known as a wind-up merchant
Thank you for the answers.

For me Reed still has to earn my trust. As long as they keep their word about no more departures they will begin to earn my trust. I think Krueger may be pushing the Reed appreciation line a little to hard with the fans. As it is clear that Reed has said some things that have come back to bite him. We as fans will never know the truth about Shaw potentially going before this summer but given the character he has shown I don't doubt he probably did want to jump ship from the club that made him. I will hold off making any further snap judgements but what is clear to me is like other fans patience is not my strong point and I want to see the 4-5 extra players we need to have the makings of a competitive squad signed already. Unfortunately Saints have never been quick at signing players as they keep things quieter than other clubs. I just hope that by 17th we have the additions we need.

One thing I will add is reading the article in the Daily Telegraph today Krueger said it is clear that the investment from Katarina had to stop. That worries me as we are being told she "loves the club" etc but if Krueger is saying she no longer wishes to invest any thoughts of new stadiums or expansions or big pushes for success through spending are over.
I think you may have it wrong about Kat cutting off the investment through choice, the rules are changing about investment, they are trying to insist that Clubs are self sufficient. It is very complicated and needs more expertise from them that know.
Osprey - With regards to the point over investment this isn't my opinion this is directly from Jeremy Wilson writing following his interview with Ralph and to quote him directly he says

" One of the big things was to stop the investments from Katharina" now I accept that it is open to interpretation whether that is due to this ill thought out FFP which basically will prevent any club from challenging the status quo. Sad how the fools that run football in this country missed that point. Or whether it is Katharina's choice but it sounds like Krueger has been mandated to put a block on any investment from liebherr and certain explains the spectacular falling out between Cortese and Liebherr. It remains to be seen whether the club we love has been damaged by this summers activities but as I say I will keep quiet and just see what happens.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: excuse my ignorance but what is a wum ??[/p][/quote]It is a woman's bottom.[/p][/quote]Otherwise known as a wind-up merchant[/p][/quote]Thank you for the answers. For me Reed still has to earn my trust. As long as they keep their word about no more departures they will begin to earn my trust. I think Krueger may be pushing the Reed appreciation line a little to hard with the fans. As it is clear that Reed has said some things that have come back to bite him. We as fans will never know the truth about Shaw potentially going before this summer but given the character he has shown I don't doubt he probably did want to jump ship from the club that made him. I will hold off making any further snap judgements but what is clear to me is like other fans patience is not my strong point and I want to see the 4-5 extra players we need to have the makings of a competitive squad signed already. Unfortunately Saints have never been quick at signing players as they keep things quieter than other clubs. I just hope that by 17th we have the additions we need. One thing I will add is reading the article in the Daily Telegraph today Krueger said it is clear that the investment from Katarina had to stop. That worries me as we are being told she "loves the club" etc but if Krueger is saying she no longer wishes to invest any thoughts of new stadiums or expansions or big pushes for success through spending are over.[/p][/quote]I think you may have it wrong about Kat cutting off the investment through choice, the rules are changing about investment, they are trying to insist that Clubs are self sufficient. It is very complicated and needs more expertise from them that know.[/p][/quote]Osprey - With regards to the point over investment this isn't my opinion this is directly from Jeremy Wilson writing following his interview with Ralph and to quote him directly he says " One of the big things was to stop the investments from Katharina" now I accept that it is open to interpretation whether that is due to this ill thought out FFP which basically will prevent any club from challenging the status quo. Sad how the fools that run football in this country missed that point. Or whether it is Katharina's choice but it sounds like Krueger has been mandated to put a block on any investment from liebherr and certain explains the spectacular falling out between Cortese and Liebherr. It remains to be seen whether the club we love has been damaged by this summers activities but as I say I will keep quiet and just see what happens. upwherewebelong
  • Score: 0

11:35pm Wed 6 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

upwherewebelong wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
excuse my ignorance but what is a wum ??
It is a woman's bottom.
Otherwise known as a wind-up merchant
Thank you for the answers.

For me Reed still has to earn my trust. As long as they keep their word about no more departures they will begin to earn my trust. I think Krueger may be pushing the Reed appreciation line a little to hard with the fans. As it is clear that Reed has said some things that have come back to bite him. We as fans will never know the truth about Shaw potentially going before this summer but given the character he has shown I don't doubt he probably did want to jump ship from the club that made him. I will hold off making any further snap judgements but what is clear to me is like other fans patience is not my strong point and I want to see the 4-5 extra players we need to have the makings of a competitive squad signed already. Unfortunately Saints have never been quick at signing players as they keep things quieter than other clubs. I just hope that by 17th we have the additions we need.

One thing I will add is reading the article in the Daily Telegraph today Krueger said it is clear that the investment from Katarina had to stop. That worries me as we are being told she "loves the club" etc but if Krueger is saying she no longer wishes to invest any thoughts of new stadiums or expansions or big pushes for success through spending are over.
I think you may have it wrong about Kat cutting off the investment through choice, the rules are changing about investment, they are trying to insist that Clubs are self sufficient. It is very complicated and needs more expertise from them that know.
Osprey - With regards to the point over investment this isn't my opinion this is directly from Jeremy Wilson writing following his interview with Ralph and to quote him directly he says

" One of the big things was to stop the investments from Katharina" now I accept that it is open to interpretation whether that is due to this ill thought out FFP which basically will prevent any club from challenging the status quo. Sad how the fools that run football in this country missed that point. Or whether it is Katharina's choice but it sounds like Krueger has been mandated to put a block on any investment from liebherr and certain explains the spectacular falling out between Cortese and Liebherr. It remains to be seen whether the club we love has been damaged by this summers activities but as I say I will keep quiet and just see what happens.
Fair comment, but I would rather that the Club stood on its own financial feet now, rather than relying on a sugar daddy whose investment could cease without warning, wouldn't you? The Club must have been damaged by what has happened, but it would be wrong to heap the blame on the owner or the new Board.
[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: excuse my ignorance but what is a wum ??[/p][/quote]It is a woman's bottom.[/p][/quote]Otherwise known as a wind-up merchant[/p][/quote]Thank you for the answers. For me Reed still has to earn my trust. As long as they keep their word about no more departures they will begin to earn my trust. I think Krueger may be pushing the Reed appreciation line a little to hard with the fans. As it is clear that Reed has said some things that have come back to bite him. We as fans will never know the truth about Shaw potentially going before this summer but given the character he has shown I don't doubt he probably did want to jump ship from the club that made him. I will hold off making any further snap judgements but what is clear to me is like other fans patience is not my strong point and I want to see the 4-5 extra players we need to have the makings of a competitive squad signed already. Unfortunately Saints have never been quick at signing players as they keep things quieter than other clubs. I just hope that by 17th we have the additions we need. One thing I will add is reading the article in the Daily Telegraph today Krueger said it is clear that the investment from Katarina had to stop. That worries me as we are being told she "loves the club" etc but if Krueger is saying she no longer wishes to invest any thoughts of new stadiums or expansions or big pushes for success through spending are over.[/p][/quote]I think you may have it wrong about Kat cutting off the investment through choice, the rules are changing about investment, they are trying to insist that Clubs are self sufficient. It is very complicated and needs more expertise from them that know.[/p][/quote]Osprey - With regards to the point over investment this isn't my opinion this is directly from Jeremy Wilson writing following his interview with Ralph and to quote him directly he says " One of the big things was to stop the investments from Katharina" now I accept that it is open to interpretation whether that is due to this ill thought out FFP which basically will prevent any club from challenging the status quo. Sad how the fools that run football in this country missed that point. Or whether it is Katharina's choice but it sounds like Krueger has been mandated to put a block on any investment from liebherr and certain explains the spectacular falling out between Cortese and Liebherr. It remains to be seen whether the club we love has been damaged by this summers activities but as I say I will keep quiet and just see what happens.[/p][/quote]Fair comment, but I would rather that the Club stood on its own financial feet now, rather than relying on a sugar daddy whose investment could cease without warning, wouldn't you? The Club must have been damaged by what has happened, but it would be wrong to heap the blame on the owner or the new Board. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

2:11am Thu 7 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
excuse my ignorance but what is a wum ??
It is a woman's bottom.
Otherwise known as a wind-up merchant
Thank you for the answers.

For me Reed still has to earn my trust. As long as they keep their word about no more departures they will begin to earn my trust. I think Krueger may be pushing the Reed appreciation line a little to hard with the fans. As it is clear that Reed has said some things that have come back to bite him. We as fans will never know the truth about Shaw potentially going before this summer but given the character he has shown I don't doubt he probably did want to jump ship from the club that made him. I will hold off making any further snap judgements but what is clear to me is like other fans patience is not my strong point and I want to see the 4-5 extra players we need to have the makings of a competitive squad signed already. Unfortunately Saints have never been quick at signing players as they keep things quieter than other clubs. I just hope that by 17th we have the additions we need.

One thing I will add is reading the article in the Daily Telegraph today Krueger said it is clear that the investment from Katarina had to stop. That worries me as we are being told she "loves the club" etc but if Krueger is saying she no longer wishes to invest any thoughts of new stadiums or expansions or big pushes for success through spending are over.
I think you may have it wrong about Kat cutting off the investment through choice, the rules are changing about investment, they are trying to insist that Clubs are self sufficient. It is very complicated and needs more expertise from them that know.
Osprey - With regards to the point over investment this isn't my opinion this is directly from Jeremy Wilson writing following his interview with Ralph and to quote him directly he says

" One of the big things was to stop the investments from Katharina" now I accept that it is open to interpretation whether that is due to this ill thought out FFP which basically will prevent any club from challenging the status quo. Sad how the fools that run football in this country missed that point. Or whether it is Katharina's choice but it sounds like Krueger has been mandated to put a block on any investment from liebherr and certain explains the spectacular falling out between Cortese and Liebherr. It remains to be seen whether the club we love has been damaged by this summers activities but as I say I will keep quiet and just see what happens.
Fair comment, but I would rather that the Club stood on its own financial feet now, rather than relying on a sugar daddy whose investment could cease without warning, wouldn't you? The Club must have been damaged by what has happened, but it would be wrong to heap the blame on the owner or the new Board.
The plan, even going back to when st Markus first brought us was that the club would be self sufficient. They always wanted to have the majority of the team to be products of our academy.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: excuse my ignorance but what is a wum ??[/p][/quote]It is a woman's bottom.[/p][/quote]Otherwise known as a wind-up merchant[/p][/quote]Thank you for the answers. For me Reed still has to earn my trust. As long as they keep their word about no more departures they will begin to earn my trust. I think Krueger may be pushing the Reed appreciation line a little to hard with the fans. As it is clear that Reed has said some things that have come back to bite him. We as fans will never know the truth about Shaw potentially going before this summer but given the character he has shown I don't doubt he probably did want to jump ship from the club that made him. I will hold off making any further snap judgements but what is clear to me is like other fans patience is not my strong point and I want to see the 4-5 extra players we need to have the makings of a competitive squad signed already. Unfortunately Saints have never been quick at signing players as they keep things quieter than other clubs. I just hope that by 17th we have the additions we need. One thing I will add is reading the article in the Daily Telegraph today Krueger said it is clear that the investment from Katarina had to stop. That worries me as we are being told she "loves the club" etc but if Krueger is saying she no longer wishes to invest any thoughts of new stadiums or expansions or big pushes for success through spending are over.[/p][/quote]I think you may have it wrong about Kat cutting off the investment through choice, the rules are changing about investment, they are trying to insist that Clubs are self sufficient. It is very complicated and needs more expertise from them that know.[/p][/quote]Osprey - With regards to the point over investment this isn't my opinion this is directly from Jeremy Wilson writing following his interview with Ralph and to quote him directly he says " One of the big things was to stop the investments from Katharina" now I accept that it is open to interpretation whether that is due to this ill thought out FFP which basically will prevent any club from challenging the status quo. Sad how the fools that run football in this country missed that point. Or whether it is Katharina's choice but it sounds like Krueger has been mandated to put a block on any investment from liebherr and certain explains the spectacular falling out between Cortese and Liebherr. It remains to be seen whether the club we love has been damaged by this summers activities but as I say I will keep quiet and just see what happens.[/p][/quote]Fair comment, but I would rather that the Club stood on its own financial feet now, rather than relying on a sugar daddy whose investment could cease without warning, wouldn't you? The Club must have been damaged by what has happened, but it would be wrong to heap the blame on the owner or the new Board.[/p][/quote]The plan, even going back to when st Markus first brought us was that the club would be self sufficient. They always wanted to have the majority of the team to be products of our academy. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 0

2:17am Thu 7 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
lillylooper wrote:
"a healthier position now" yes because they sold of 3/4 of the team
In Lovrens case a quarter of him went first (i.e. his head) the other three quarters followed later. Not a real Saints fan are you?
Also not that good at maths.
3/4 of the team? Even if you say chambers was a starter thats 5 out of 11 which is less than half! If you say chambers wasn't a first choice player and say clyne was, which most of the time he was, that would be 4 from eleven which is just over a third!
3/4? Thats almost poopey standard maths!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lillylooper[/bold] wrote: "a healthier position now" yes because they sold of 3/4 of the team[/p][/quote]In Lovrens case a quarter of him went first (i.e. his head) the other three quarters followed later. Not a real Saints fan are you?[/p][/quote]Also not that good at maths. 3/4 of the team? Even if you say chambers was a starter thats 5 out of 11 which is less than half! If you say chambers wasn't a first choice player and say clyne was, which most of the time he was, that would be 4 from eleven which is just over a third! 3/4? Thats almost poopey standard maths! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 0

4:55am Thu 7 Aug 14

Letissthelastoftheloyal says...

thesaint88 wrote:
Saintsincethe60s wrote:
Give them a chance, let the poseurs who think they are too good for us go, decide at the end of the transfer window and again at the end of the season.
Even if we do not do so well this season as last, i'm sure it will be better next.

Don't forget this year you will have got rid of all of the inside influences that want to destroy the club, the poisoned argie and his mate perhaps?
Just three to go now, Fat kat, Freddie and the other idiot reed
That doesn't help at all. Why bother posting stupid comments like that? Unfortunately though you're not on your own, too many so called fans are too quick to start shouting and booing when things don't go their way. We can be winning 3-0 and when a player makes a mistake certain fans start to get on the players backs and moan and grumble, yet 17 miles down the road poopey are turning out every week in force and singing their hearts out. Some so called saints fans should learn when to keep their mouths shut and just enjoy the ride.
[quote][p][bold]thesaint88[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsincethe60s[/bold] wrote: Give them a chance, let the poseurs who think they are too good for us go, decide at the end of the transfer window and again at the end of the season. Even if we do not do so well this season as last, i'm sure it will be better next. Don't forget this year you will have got rid of all of the inside influences that want to destroy the club, the poisoned argie and his mate perhaps?[/p][/quote]Just three to go now, Fat kat, Freddie and the other idiot reed[/p][/quote]That doesn't help at all. Why bother posting stupid comments like that? Unfortunately though you're not on your own, too many so called fans are too quick to start shouting and booing when things don't go their way. We can be winning 3-0 and when a player makes a mistake certain fans start to get on the players backs and moan and grumble, yet 17 miles down the road poopey are turning out every week in force and singing their hearts out. Some so called saints fans should learn when to keep their mouths shut and just enjoy the ride. Letissthelastoftheloyal
  • Score: 3

8:06am Thu 7 Aug 14

BarnetSaint says...

Reeds report to date is D minus
Total failure at charlton
Has got rid of staff from our highly successful academy
Unable to prevent player exodus
But most damaging, with players leaving, unable to move swiftly and decisively in their replacement.
Better that Koeman deals with footballing matters.
Reed is out of his depth.
Reeds report to date is D minus Total failure at charlton Has got rid of staff from our highly successful academy Unable to prevent player exodus But most damaging, with players leaving, unable to move swiftly and decisively in their replacement. Better that Koeman deals with footballing matters. Reed is out of his depth. BarnetSaint
  • Score: -1

2:46pm Thu 7 Aug 14

lowe esteem says...

redandy10 wrote:
lol
If telling fans during season ticket renewal time that we were not a selling club and then preceding to sell our best talent is doing an "outstanding job", then Les is indeed doing an outstanding job.

This summer the club has been turned into a laughing stock.
END OF STORY!!!!
It's neither funny nor the end of the story...there are more twists and turns to the plot yet.. with most of us hoping for the better.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: lol If telling fans during season ticket renewal time that we were not a selling club and then preceding to sell our best talent is doing an "outstanding job", then Les is indeed doing an outstanding job. This summer the club has been turned into a laughing stock. END OF STORY!!!![/p][/quote]It's neither funny nor the end of the story...there are more twists and turns to the plot yet.. with most of us hoping for the better. lowe esteem
  • Score: 0

3:27pm Fri 8 Aug 14

lowe esteem says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
lillylooper wrote:
"a healthier position now" yes because they sold of 3/4 of the team
In Lovrens case a quarter of him went first (i.e. his head) the other three quarters followed later. Not a real Saints fan are you?
Also not that good at maths.
3/4 of the team? Even if you say chambers was a starter thats 5 out of 11 which is less than half! If you say chambers wasn't a first choice player and say clyne was, which most of the time he was, that would be 4 from eleven which is just over a third!
3/4? Thats almost poopey standard maths!
If you think about the team (11 players plus bench squad etc) it's always the sum of it's parts, but some people just don't get it.
But if you thought it through before jumping down someone else's throat, and ask yourself honestly who would have been missed most from last season's team, you'd come up with the same 3 or 4 from 7 wouldn't you?
Surely the valuations put on these players heads by the selling/ buying clubs underlines this too?
Do the maths, 101 and Ospers, it's AT LEAST 75% isn't it?
Which also suggests that the incoming players have to be a LOT better than we've already got, and this has to be a concern, surely.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lillylooper[/bold] wrote: "a healthier position now" yes because they sold of 3/4 of the team[/p][/quote]In Lovrens case a quarter of him went first (i.e. his head) the other three quarters followed later. Not a real Saints fan are you?[/p][/quote]Also not that good at maths. 3/4 of the team? Even if you say chambers was a starter thats 5 out of 11 which is less than half! If you say chambers wasn't a first choice player and say clyne was, which most of the time he was, that would be 4 from eleven which is just over a third! 3/4? Thats almost poopey standard maths![/p][/quote]If you think about the team (11 players plus bench squad etc) it's always the sum of it's parts, but some people just don't get it. But if you thought it through before jumping down someone else's throat, and ask yourself honestly who would have been missed most from last season's team, you'd come up with the same 3 or 4 from 7 wouldn't you? Surely the valuations put on these players heads by the selling/ buying clubs underlines this too? Do the maths, 101 and Ospers, it's AT LEAST 75% isn't it? Which also suggests that the incoming players have to be a LOT better than we've already got, and this has to be a concern, surely. lowe esteem
  • Score: 0

11:37am Wed 13 Aug 14

milton road says...

Like I have said I will wait until the season starts before I pass any judgement. Am a little concerned we have only acctually bought two players and seem to be making a lot of moves in the loan market rather than permanent. Though i appreciate we need about 9 players to make up for the squad players who have gone if we are to build a squad. We are still very weak at centre back with no cover for Yoshida and Fonte of Premiership standard. We are still short on forwards whilst we seem to be interested in so many midfield players.
Kruger talks about the end of the transfer window, we have not got that long, the season starts in just over a week and we need to start up and running. We are not far from being as strong as last season but we need more firepower and more strength in defence before then.
Read an article today which made a good point if Kruger and co are in control and always planned for this, why then did not Saints have replacements lined up and just over a week before the season still struggling to get players in?
Chambers played CB for Arsenal against Benfica and Monaco and got rave reviews the weekend. Wenga was beside himself at his astute buying.
I am just hoping that we actually do strengthen fairly quickly, apparently e have had a bid for Rojo turned down. Vaal is in the process of being persuaded to stay at Villa and Dijk another we are linked with had a poor game for Celtic in the CL last week. All CB's and progress slow. Forster is likely to join us if Celtic get knocked out of the CL which seems likely with a 3-0 deficit. Yet Buroc should take some displacing only cech kept more clean sheets.
I see Bertrand as a good loan move but why not permanent?
The same as Tadier if he comes, he seems to have very good reviews?
I appreciate Koeman has had to get to know his squad and the fact the club are probably working hard to get players over the line, but to do that you have to pay the going rate.
I think things will come right but we need it sooner than later.
I think the way they are trying to put the history back in the club is good. Under Cortese we would never of seen the likes of Holmes and Benali back at the club. Nor the red and white stripes, think diagonal red and white stripes may have been fun.
Nor do I blame KL for the situation, She wanted some control on finances after the money spent on the training centre. She offered Cortese a fortune to stay on. I actually think she does care and I hope the attitude of a few will not change that.
The board I am taking time out on and feel what they have done was the only way they saw to take the club forward. I understand they want to spend the money wisely, but you can only do that if you actually spend it.
Let's face it we got over the odds for the players and if we can't build a strong squad from the money then it sucks. But like i say you have to take the plunge and spend it.
Bring in a couple of central defenders and attackers and we could be a problem for any club.
Its not been a nice summer but it may be a better winter.
Like I have said I will wait until the season starts before I pass any judgement. Am a little concerned we have only acctually bought two players and seem to be making a lot of moves in the loan market rather than permanent. Though i appreciate we need about 9 players to make up for the squad players who have gone if we are to build a squad. We are still very weak at centre back with no cover for Yoshida and Fonte of Premiership standard. We are still short on forwards whilst we seem to be interested in so many midfield players. Kruger talks about the end of the transfer window, we have not got that long, the season starts in just over a week and we need to start up and running. We are not far from being as strong as last season but we need more firepower and more strength in defence before then. Read an article today which made a good point if Kruger and co are in control and always planned for this, why then did not Saints have replacements lined up and just over a week before the season still struggling to get players in? Chambers played CB for Arsenal against Benfica and Monaco and got rave reviews the weekend. Wenga was beside himself at his astute buying. I am just hoping that we actually do strengthen fairly quickly, apparently e have had a bid for Rojo turned down. Vaal is in the process of being persuaded to stay at Villa and Dijk another we are linked with had a poor game for Celtic in the CL last week. All CB's and progress slow. Forster is likely to join us if Celtic get knocked out of the CL which seems likely with a 3-0 deficit. Yet Buroc should take some displacing only cech kept more clean sheets. I see Bertrand as a good loan move but why not permanent? The same as Tadier if he comes, he seems to have very good reviews? I appreciate Koeman has had to get to know his squad and the fact the club are probably working hard to get players over the line, but to do that you have to pay the going rate. I think things will come right but we need it sooner than later. I think the way they are trying to put the history back in the club is good. Under Cortese we would never of seen the likes of Holmes and Benali back at the club. Nor the red and white stripes, think diagonal red and white stripes may have been fun. Nor do I blame KL for the situation, She wanted some control on finances after the money spent on the training centre. She offered Cortese a fortune to stay on. I actually think she does care and I hope the attitude of a few will not change that. The board I am taking time out on and feel what they have done was the only way they saw to take the club forward. I understand they want to spend the money wisely, but you can only do that if you actually spend it. Let's face it we got over the odds for the players and if we can't build a strong squad from the money then it sucks. But like i say you have to take the plunge and spend it. Bring in a couple of central defenders and attackers and we could be a problem for any club. Its not been a nice summer but it may be a better winter. milton road
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