JWP: New signings will make the difference

James Ward-Prowse

James Ward-Prowse

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James Ward-Prowse is confident Saints’ new signings will be more than adequate replacements for this summer’s high profile departures.

As Saints prepare for their opening Premier League game of the season against Liverpool at Anfield on Sunday, much of the focus is on how the team will bounce back from a tough few months.

After finishing eighth in the top flight they lost their manager and a host of top name players, including the likes of Rickie Lambert and Dejan Lovren who could line up against their former colleagues for Liverpool this weekend.

But new boss Ronald Koeman has impressed and, according to Ward-Prowse, brought in enough quality to replace what has left.

“It’s disappointing to see them go because they played such a massive part in what we did last year, but it’s football and people come and go and we’ve had a number of new signings who have come in, done terrifically well and will fill those shoes comfortably,” said the midfielder.

“Football is always changing. There is always people coming and going and as long as we just focus on ourselves as a team and making sure we improve then all the off the field issues won’t matter. We just focus on what we do on the pitch.”

He added: “We are all feeling good. It’s nice to get pre-season out of the way, it’s a gruelling time for us with six weeks of hard work all put towards the first day of the season.

“The first game of the season can’t come quick enough for us and we’re looking forward to it.

“Anfield is a good place that we went to last year and it was a day that will probably stick out in our memories for the rest of our careers, winning there and playing so well.

“It’s a place we go to with happy memories and hopefully we can replicate that again.”

Saints won’t come up against Adam Lallana this weekend, who will miss the start of the season through injury, but it will no doubt be a weird feeling for those that remain at St Mary’s to face the likes of Lambert and Lovren.

“It will be strange but we are all focussed on what we’re doing as a team and as a club,” insisted Ward-Prowse.

“We have our game and we will look to win the ball and win the game regardless of who the opposition are.”

Saints are heading into the season hoping to at least match last season’s Premier League campaign, even though some have predicted a tougher year as a new team develops.

“We will have to wait and see but I think though we have lost a lot of quality players we have brought in a lot of quality players,” said Ward-Prowse.

“I think the new players will suit the English Premier League and the way that we play and that it won’t hinder our chances at all.”

The change from Pochettino to Koeman is not a massive one in terms of style of play, but Ward-Prowse admits there are significant differences on the training pitch.

“The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said.

“The way he wants us to play in terms of passing the ball and pressing the ball is pretty similar.

“They are pretty similar styles and I think it’s something we will adapt to fairly well.

“The formation is relatively similar and nothing we haven’t been faced with before so I am sure we will fit into that pretty quickly.”

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8:20am Fri 15 Aug 14

Chapperall says...

Some very common sense statements from a player who certainly has his feet firmly on the ground. His comments are interesting as he is saying that he thinks the people who have been signed are better. Interesting! Good luck on Sunday to the guys and let's come back with a result.
Some very common sense statements from a player who certainly has his feet firmly on the ground. His comments are interesting as he is saying that he thinks the people who have been signed are better. Interesting! Good luck on Sunday to the guys and let's come back with a result. Chapperall
  • Score: 55

8:34am Fri 15 Aug 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

I'm sure the boys will be fired up for this one, then again i'm sure Lambo and Lovren will be too.

Lovren vs Long will be an epic battle, but I can't see Lovren sticking to Long much, our number 7 is just too quick for him and many centre halves.

Lambo vs Fonte/Forster no chance Rickie, I would just stay on the bench if I were you! ;-)
I'm sure the boys will be fired up for this one, then again i'm sure Lambo and Lovren will be too. Lovren vs Long will be an epic battle, but I can't see Lovren sticking to Long much, our number 7 is just too quick for him and many centre halves. Lambo vs Fonte/Forster no chance Rickie, I would just stay on the bench if I were you! ;-) SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 24

8:35am Fri 15 Aug 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

2 more sleeps!!!!!!!
2 more sleeps!!!!!!! SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 24

8:35am Fri 15 Aug 14

wagsta says...

Whilst a lot of what he says is corporate speak he does come across in all his interviews as very grounded. I believe, Liverhampton, Tottingham and ArseSFCenal aside, he is a skipper in the making.
Whilst a lot of what he says is corporate speak he does come across in all his interviews as very grounded. I believe, Liverhampton, Tottingham and ArseSFCenal aside, he is a skipper in the making. wagsta
  • Score: 20

8:39am Fri 15 Aug 14

devonsaint2 says...

I hope JWP is correct...Last year the pressing style was great but we always looked vulnerable in the last 15 minutes. Maybe save some of that energy and keep the ball even more.

Ron Vlaar and another forward and it all looks god. The academy & young players fill the gaps ( Reed, Gallagher, Mc Queen, Tagett ) . My mood has changed and really looking forward to this season.

Only conundrum is Morgan...I would not like an upset player staying but would hate it if he went to Spurs...I think if Arsenal game in with a bid of around £22,000,001 we would sell him..

Liverpoool 1 Saints 1 ( fonte )
I hope JWP is correct...Last year the pressing style was great but we always looked vulnerable in the last 15 minutes. Maybe save some of that energy and keep the ball even more. Ron Vlaar and another forward and it all looks god. The academy & young players fill the gaps ( Reed, Gallagher, Mc Queen, Tagett ) . My mood has changed and really looking forward to this season. Only conundrum is Morgan...I would not like an upset player staying but would hate it if he went to Spurs...I think if Arsenal game in with a bid of around £22,000,001 we would sell him.. Liverpoool 1 Saints 1 ( fonte ) devonsaint2
  • Score: 14

8:41am Fri 15 Aug 14

FleetSaint says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
2 more sleeps!!!!!!!
LOL. Was thinking the same.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: 2 more sleeps!!!!!!![/p][/quote]LOL. Was thinking the same. FleetSaint
  • Score: 10

8:44am Fri 15 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

Hey Jamie you need to be wearing earplugs when they play Jerry and the Pacemakers song. If you don't you will get tingles down your spine and you will spens the rest of the season dreaming that Brenda will be offering £25million for you. Forger it though, he's already blown the Bug's Bunny money and he'll be long gone anyway when they don't make the top 4.
Hey Jamie you need to be wearing earplugs when they play Jerry and the Pacemakers song. If you don't you will get tingles down your spine and you will spens the rest of the season dreaming that Brenda will be offering £25million for you. Forger it though, he's already blown the Bug's Bunny money and he'll be long gone anyway when they don't make the top 4. Clever Dick
  • Score: 10

9:22am Fri 15 Aug 14

Malcombe says...

James Ward-Prowes to me has always come over as an old head on young shoulders, I too like wagsta believe he's a Captain of the Team in the making, he's already planning for life after Football preferring at this time to be Journalist but of course that could change, I imagine he's well liked and popular in the Team as he's very level headed and because he's played in the first Team for 2 years he's able to judge the standard of the new Players so it's nice that an opinion and assessment of the Team has come from within and it can't get any better than that.
The game on Sunday is understandably high profile, of course if Saints win it will be the talk of all the Premiership games and we all want that, if they lose by the 1 goal and unlucky we will all be reasonably content as there's a point to prove and we all know what that is.
The Players need to be playing to gel asap and it will probably take a few games to achieve that, Liverpool are the same having bought a 2nd team of Players, we will all be disappointed if Gardos doesn't play but it looks unlikely as he has a hamstring problem and they can be painful and take anything from a couple of days to 2 weeks depending on where it is, with a hamstring torn if Gardos was rushed it could tear again and worsen but that will not be allowed to happen as the Club have some of the best Physio's in Football, so we wish the Team all the luck and hopefully come back to Southampton with a smile. COYR
James Ward-Prowes to me has always come over as an old head on young shoulders, I too like wagsta believe he's a Captain of the Team in the making, he's already planning for life after Football preferring at this time to be Journalist but of course that could change, I imagine he's well liked and popular in the Team as he's very level headed and because he's played in the first Team for 2 years he's able to judge the standard of the new Players so it's nice that an opinion and assessment of the Team has come from within and it can't get any better than that. The game on Sunday is understandably high profile, of course if Saints win it will be the talk of all the Premiership games and we all want that, if they lose by the 1 goal and unlucky we will all be reasonably content as there's a point to prove and we all know what that is. The Players need to be playing to gel asap and it will probably take a few games to achieve that, Liverpool are the same having bought a 2nd team of Players, we will all be disappointed if Gardos doesn't play but it looks unlikely as he has a hamstring problem and they can be painful and take anything from a couple of days to 2 weeks depending on where it is, with a hamstring torn if Gardos was rushed it could tear again and worsen but that will not be allowed to happen as the Club have some of the best Physio's in Football, so we wish the Team all the luck and hopefully come back to Southampton with a smile. COYR Malcombe
  • Score: 21

10:01am Fri 15 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

“The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said.

So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got?

A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that…

..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure….

...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.
“The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said. So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got? A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that… ..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure…. ...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball. warrens 76
  • Score: 12

10:12am Fri 15 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

warrens 76 wrote:
“The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said.

So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got?

A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that…

..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure….

...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.
He is talking about the intensity of some of the training. He seems to also be saying that what they will do on the pitch is going to be similar.

The impression I got from the one and only preseason match I watched (Bournemouth) was that the major difference from last year will be more interchanging of positions. Of course, a preseason match is a preseason match, and there was little urgency in that one.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said. So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got? A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that… ..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure…. ...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.[/p][/quote]He is talking about the intensity of some of the training. He seems to also be saying that what they will do on the pitch is going to be similar. The impression I got from the one and only preseason match I watched (Bournemouth) was that the major difference from last year will be more interchanging of positions. Of course, a preseason match is a preseason match, and there was little urgency in that one. Rising_Son
  • Score: 8

10:30am Fri 15 Aug 14

Blue means Success says...

“Football is always changing. There is always people coming and going "

He s setting himself up for leaving at the end of the season to join his Pompey mates at Arsenal.

Enjoy his skills and grounded nature while he is stilll there
“Football is always changing. There is always people coming and going " He s setting himself up for leaving at the end of the season to join his Pompey mates at Arsenal. Enjoy his skills and grounded nature while he is stilll there Blue means Success
  • Score: -31

10:45am Fri 15 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

Blue means Success wrote:
“Football is always changing. There is always people coming and going "

He s setting himself up for leaving at the end of the season to join his Pompey mates at Arsenal.

Enjoy his skills and grounded nature while he is stilll there
how delightful to be such a knob..you really are a bell end are'nt you.
[quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: “Football is always changing. There is always people coming and going " He s setting himself up for leaving at the end of the season to join his Pompey mates at Arsenal. Enjoy his skills and grounded nature while he is stilll there[/p][/quote]how delightful to be such a knob..you really are a bell end are'nt you. warrens 76
  • Score: 26

10:47am Fri 15 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

Interesting comment on the intensity of the training not being as high.

Given that the double training sessions seemed to undepin the preparation in the last two seasons is this something that should be retained or is the new regime not convincced its worthwhile ... question for the next Press Conference Echo !!
Interesting comment on the intensity of the training not being as high. Given that the double training sessions seemed to undepin the preparation in the last two seasons is this something that should be retained or is the new regime not convincced its worthwhile ... question for the next Press Conference Echo !! Alicesdad
  • Score: 9

10:49am Fri 15 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Hey Jamie you need to be wearing earplugs when they play Jerry and the Pacemakers song. If you don't you will get tingles down your spine and you will spens the rest of the season dreaming that Brenda will be offering £25million for you. Forger it though, he's already blown the Bug's Bunny money and he'll be long gone anyway when they don't make the top 4.
And please don't leave your head in the centre circle - you'll need it for next week. We are going to be relying on your skills a great deal this season young man.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Hey Jamie you need to be wearing earplugs when they play Jerry and the Pacemakers song. If you don't you will get tingles down your spine and you will spens the rest of the season dreaming that Brenda will be offering £25million for you. Forger it though, he's already blown the Bug's Bunny money and he'll be long gone anyway when they don't make the top 4.[/p][/quote]And please don't leave your head in the centre circle - you'll need it for next week. We are going to be relying on your skills a great deal this season young man. jls217
  • Score: 7

10:50am Fri 15 Aug 14

NC Fan4Life says...

JWP is one young player that we must keep as I agree that he is a future captain, but he does need to up him game another level this season.

Hopefully my fear that the now players not being as good as the ones who have left is proved to be incorrect, JWP thinks they will 'fill those shoes comfortably'.

His comment about the training being 'less intense' is a concern because I did not think that some players looked fully fit last Saturday.

However I am not sure that RonKo will be playing such a High Tempo pressing game, so that maybe why he says the training is less intense.

Another CB like Phillip Wollscheid or Ron Vlaar still to buy PLUS a proven Goalscorer are still Urgently required, plus a couple of younger prospects before the window closes.
Then making sure Morgan & J-Rod stay and we will then be looking a better team than last season.

Keep working on it Les, just 2 weeks left & you are slowly getting there.

COYR&WS
JWP is one young player that we must keep as I agree that he is a future captain, but he does need to up him game another level this season. Hopefully my fear that the now players not being as good as the ones who have left is proved to be incorrect, JWP thinks they will 'fill those shoes comfortably'. His comment about the training being 'less intense' is a concern because I did not think that some players looked fully fit last Saturday. However I am not sure that RonKo will be playing such a High Tempo pressing game, so that maybe why he says the training is less intense. Another CB like Phillip Wollscheid or Ron Vlaar still to buy PLUS a proven Goalscorer are still Urgently required, plus a couple of younger prospects before the window closes. Then making sure Morgan & J-Rod stay and we will then be looking a better team than last season. Keep working on it Les, just 2 weeks left & you are slowly getting there. COYR&WS NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 8

10:50am Fri 15 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

devonsaint2 wrote:
I hope JWP is correct...Last year the pressing style was great but we always looked vulnerable in the last 15 minutes. Maybe save some of that energy and keep the ball even more.

Ron Vlaar and another forward and it all looks god. The academy & young players fill the gaps ( Reed, Gallagher, Mc Queen, Tagett ) . My mood has changed and really looking forward to this season.

Only conundrum is Morgan...I would not like an upset player staying but would hate it if he went to Spurs...I think if Arsenal game in with a bid of around £22,000,001 we would sell him..

Liverpoool 1 Saints 1 ( fonte )
Sell Spider keep Cork and using the money buy. Classie and Vlaar and we will have a squad for the coming season.
[quote][p][bold]devonsaint2[/bold] wrote: I hope JWP is correct...Last year the pressing style was great but we always looked vulnerable in the last 15 minutes. Maybe save some of that energy and keep the ball even more. Ron Vlaar and another forward and it all looks god. The academy & young players fill the gaps ( Reed, Gallagher, Mc Queen, Tagett ) . My mood has changed and really looking forward to this season. Only conundrum is Morgan...I would not like an upset player staying but would hate it if he went to Spurs...I think if Arsenal game in with a bid of around £22,000,001 we would sell him.. Liverpoool 1 Saints 1 ( fonte )[/p][/quote]Sell Spider keep Cork and using the money buy. Classie and Vlaar and we will have a squad for the coming season. fascia123
  • Score: 7

10:54am Fri 15 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

warrens 76 wrote:
“The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said.

So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got?

A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that…

..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure….

...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.
Until the last twenty minute when we were knackered?
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said. So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got? A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that… ..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure…. ...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.[/p][/quote]Until the last twenty minute when we were knackered? fascia123
  • Score: 15

10:56am Fri 15 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Interesting comment on the intensity of the training not being as high.

Given that the double training sessions seemed to undepin the preparation in the last two seasons is this something that should be retained or is the new regime not convincced its worthwhile ... question for the next Press Conference Echo !!
It's something any coach can fit into the training schedule at any point of the season or the cycle of training if something specific is required it doesn't just mean double/treble fitness (though they may well be employed if necessary. It could mean ball skills, tactics, defensive attributes, or even as an object lesson for them all, as a team, to get more professional, tougher and to recognize who is the paymaster. It may become necessary but if the job is done right the first time, it may never be wheeled out.
The coaches are not their friends - they are there to shape a team from 11 or more individuals who will mainly have over inflated egos and need to be reminded they are not yet Messi., but if they work hard enough and listen and learn they may one day approach those skills and complement a great team.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Interesting comment on the intensity of the training not being as high. Given that the double training sessions seemed to undepin the preparation in the last two seasons is this something that should be retained or is the new regime not convincced its worthwhile ... question for the next Press Conference Echo !![/p][/quote]It's something any coach can fit into the training schedule at any point of the season or the cycle of training if something specific is required it doesn't just mean double/treble fitness (though they may well be employed if necessary. It could mean ball skills, tactics, defensive attributes, or even as an object lesson for them all, as a team, to get more professional, tougher and to recognize who is the paymaster. It may become necessary but if the job is done right the first time, it may never be wheeled out. The coaches are not their friends - they are there to shape a team from 11 or more individuals who will mainly have over inflated egos and need to be reminded they are not yet Messi., but if they work hard enough and listen and learn they may one day approach those skills and complement a great team. jls217
  • Score: 11

11:01am Fri 15 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Blue means Success wrote:
“Football is always changing. There is always people coming and going "

He s setting himself up for leaving at the end of the season to join his Pompey mates at Arsenal.

Enjoy his skills and grounded nature while he is stilll there
Yep I expect that's in his mind every moment of every day. Wishing he could join his Pimpey mates - you're a comedian (though like Pimpey not very good) Perhaps he'll donate a few shin pads or a couple of balls to you to help out this season. How many seats are you losing to enable the carpark for the supermarket to be used fully. The supermarket's always going to get more in than Fartton Krap will in your lifetime.
[quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: “Football is always changing. There is always people coming and going " He s setting himself up for leaving at the end of the season to join his Pompey mates at Arsenal. Enjoy his skills and grounded nature while he is stilll there[/p][/quote]Yep I expect that's in his mind every moment of every day. Wishing he could join his Pimpey mates - you're a comedian (though like Pimpey not very good) Perhaps he'll donate a few shin pads or a couple of balls to you to help out this season. How many seats are you losing to enable the carpark for the supermarket to be used fully. The supermarket's always going to get more in than Fartton Krap will in your lifetime. jls217
  • Score: 9

11:04am Fri 15 Aug 14

jls217 says...

devonsaint2 wrote:
I hope JWP is correct...Last year the pressing style was great but we always looked vulnerable in the last 15 minutes. Maybe save some of that energy and keep the ball even more.

Ron Vlaar and another forward and it all looks god. The academy & young players fill the gaps ( Reed, Gallagher, Mc Queen, Tagett ) . My mood has changed and really looking forward to this season.

Only conundrum is Morgan...I would not like an upset player staying but would hate it if he went to Spurs...I think if Arsenal game in with a bid of around £22,000,001 we would sell him..

Liverpoool 1 Saints 1 ( fonte )
Don't go wishing for it mate - he wouldn't be the first player to make peace with his club once the season starts - I'm betting he still gets the itch to play even if it is for inferior old Saints over Twattenham or Arse'n'all - after that we'll see if the desire to be at the start of something big is still in him or he wants to go and join yesterdays news.
[quote][p][bold]devonsaint2[/bold] wrote: I hope JWP is correct...Last year the pressing style was great but we always looked vulnerable in the last 15 minutes. Maybe save some of that energy and keep the ball even more. Ron Vlaar and another forward and it all looks god. The academy & young players fill the gaps ( Reed, Gallagher, Mc Queen, Tagett ) . My mood has changed and really looking forward to this season. Only conundrum is Morgan...I would not like an upset player staying but would hate it if he went to Spurs...I think if Arsenal game in with a bid of around £22,000,001 we would sell him.. Liverpoool 1 Saints 1 ( fonte )[/p][/quote]Don't go wishing for it mate - he wouldn't be the first player to make peace with his club once the season starts - I'm betting he still gets the itch to play even if it is for inferior old Saints over Twattenham or Arse'n'all - after that we'll see if the desire to be at the start of something big is still in him or he wants to go and join yesterdays news. jls217
  • Score: 6

11:07am Fri 15 Aug 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

warrens 76 wrote:
“The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said.

So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got?

A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that…

..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure….

...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.
I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball.

The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said. So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got? A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that… ..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure…. ...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.[/p][/quote]I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball. The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 4

11:07am Fri 15 Aug 14

jls217 says...

fascia123 wrote:
devonsaint2 wrote:
I hope JWP is correct...Last year the pressing style was great but we always looked vulnerable in the last 15 minutes. Maybe save some of that energy and keep the ball even more.

Ron Vlaar and another forward and it all looks god. The academy & young players fill the gaps ( Reed, Gallagher, Mc Queen, Tagett ) . My mood has changed and really looking forward to this season.

Only conundrum is Morgan...I would not like an upset player staying but would hate it if he went to Spurs...I think if Arsenal game in with a bid of around £22,000,001 we would sell him..

Liverpoool 1 Saints 1 ( fonte )
Sell Spider keep Cork and using the money buy. Classie and Vlaar and we will have a squad for the coming season.
Seems a sound enough proposition but I wouldn't write Spyder off just yet there may be a surprise or two to come out of that all yet.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]devonsaint2[/bold] wrote: I hope JWP is correct...Last year the pressing style was great but we always looked vulnerable in the last 15 minutes. Maybe save some of that energy and keep the ball even more. Ron Vlaar and another forward and it all looks god. The academy & young players fill the gaps ( Reed, Gallagher, Mc Queen, Tagett ) . My mood has changed and really looking forward to this season. Only conundrum is Morgan...I would not like an upset player staying but would hate it if he went to Spurs...I think if Arsenal game in with a bid of around £22,000,001 we would sell him.. Liverpoool 1 Saints 1 ( fonte )[/p][/quote]Sell Spider keep Cork and using the money buy. Classie and Vlaar and we will have a squad for the coming season.[/p][/quote]Seems a sound enough proposition but I wouldn't write Spyder off just yet there may be a surprise or two to come out of that all yet. jls217
  • Score: 9

11:12am Fri 15 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

jls217 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
devonsaint2 wrote:
I hope JWP is correct...Last year the pressing style was great but we always looked vulnerable in the last 15 minutes. Maybe save some of that energy and keep the ball even more.

Ron Vlaar and another forward and it all looks god. The academy & young players fill the gaps ( Reed, Gallagher, Mc Queen, Tagett ) . My mood has changed and really looking forward to this season.

Only conundrum is Morgan...I would not like an upset player staying but would hate it if he went to Spurs...I think if Arsenal game in with a bid of around £22,000,001 we would sell him..

Liverpoool 1 Saints 1 ( fonte )
Sell Spider keep Cork and using the money buy. Classie and Vlaar and we will have a squad for the coming season.
Seems a sound enough proposition but I wouldn't write Spyder off just yet there may be a surprise or two to come out of that all yet.
I just wonder if we have enough midfielders without Spyder, I suppose I am biased as I really like Cork, i know everyone is going on that we have plenty to spend but I for one don't think that's the case, and maybe if we could get circa 20 k+ for Spyder we could sign those few quality players that would give us IMO a better squad than last year.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]devonsaint2[/bold] wrote: I hope JWP is correct...Last year the pressing style was great but we always looked vulnerable in the last 15 minutes. Maybe save some of that energy and keep the ball even more. Ron Vlaar and another forward and it all looks god. The academy & young players fill the gaps ( Reed, Gallagher, Mc Queen, Tagett ) . My mood has changed and really looking forward to this season. Only conundrum is Morgan...I would not like an upset player staying but would hate it if he went to Spurs...I think if Arsenal game in with a bid of around £22,000,001 we would sell him.. Liverpoool 1 Saints 1 ( fonte )[/p][/quote]Sell Spider keep Cork and using the money buy. Classie and Vlaar and we will have a squad for the coming season.[/p][/quote]Seems a sound enough proposition but I wouldn't write Spyder off just yet there may be a surprise or two to come out of that all yet.[/p][/quote]I just wonder if we have enough midfielders without Spyder, I suppose I am biased as I really like Cork, i know everyone is going on that we have plenty to spend but I for one don't think that's the case, and maybe if we could get circa 20 k+ for Spyder we could sign those few quality players that would give us IMO a better squad than last year. fascia123
  • Score: 4

11:13am Fri 15 Aug 14

Graham, North of Watford says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
“The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said.

So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got?

A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that…

..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure….

...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.
I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball.

The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.
I missed out on the earlier stuff. Who is Warren 76 and how does he know that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,”

Not being critical just wondered where the story came from.
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said. So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got? A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that… ..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure…. ...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.[/p][/quote]I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball. The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.[/p][/quote]I missed out on the earlier stuff. Who is Warren 76 and how does he know that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” Not being critical just wondered where the story came from. Graham, North of Watford
  • Score: 0

11:21am Fri 15 Aug 14

milton road says...

In relation to the training not being so intense. That can work two ways, it may mean we are not as fit as a team. it may also mean that because we do not push so hard in training me have a little more for the game and not run out of steam in the last quarter.
In relation to the training not being so intense. That can work two ways, it may mean we are not as fit as a team. it may also mean that because we do not push so hard in training me have a little more for the game and not run out of steam in the last quarter. milton road
  • Score: 11

11:32am Fri 15 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

milton road wrote:
In relation to the training not being so intense. That can work two ways, it may mean we are not as fit as a team. it may also mean that because we do not push so hard in training me have a little more for the game and not run out of steam in the last quarter.
The latter's what I'm hoping it will mean.
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: In relation to the training not being so intense. That can work two ways, it may mean we are not as fit as a team. it may also mean that because we do not push so hard in training me have a little more for the game and not run out of steam in the last quarter.[/p][/quote]The latter's what I'm hoping it will mean. Rising_Son
  • Score: 7

11:33am Fri 15 Aug 14

jls217 says...

http://www.givemespo
rt.com/494875-southa
mpton-under-no-press
ure-in-201415?autopl
ay=on


Great appraisal and this was done before our new CB arrival and any who might follow him. Good series of articles from this source.
http://www.givemespo rt.com/494875-southa mpton-under-no-press ure-in-201415?autopl ay=on Great appraisal and this was done before our new CB arrival and any who might follow him. Good series of articles from this source. jls217
  • Score: 6

11:34am Fri 15 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
“The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said.

So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got?

A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that…

..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure….

...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.
I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball.

The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.
JWP's talking about the intensity of some of the training. He also says that the style of play is similar.
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said. So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got? A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that… ..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure…. ...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.[/p][/quote]I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball. The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.[/p][/quote]JWP's talking about the intensity of some of the training. He also says that the style of play is similar. Rising_Son
  • Score: 5

11:38am Fri 15 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

Graham, North of Watford wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
“The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said.

So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got?

A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that…

..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure….

...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.
I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball.

The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.
I missed out on the earlier stuff. Who is Warren 76 and how does he know that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,”

Not being critical just wondered where the story came from.
Warrens is a very passionate Saints supporter with strong opinions. He knows that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager” because it's in the article above.
[quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said. So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got? A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that… ..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure…. ...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.[/p][/quote]I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball. The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.[/p][/quote]I missed out on the earlier stuff. Who is Warren 76 and how does he know that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” Not being critical just wondered where the story came from.[/p][/quote]Warrens is a very passionate Saints supporter with strong opinions. He knows that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager” because it's in the article above. Rising_Son
  • Score: 6

11:42am Fri 15 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

JLS217 Good post re the training. With you on this one.
I'd still like to hear Rons view though he usually has good answers to such questions and doesn't waffle some meaningles bovine scatology.

PS: "IG AT OLD MANAGER ALERT"
Neither does he hide behind an interpreter but that' another matter altogether. I am convinced that during last seasons post match interviews Moreeechio was telling you what he gave his pet hamster for dinner and the interpreter just read a pre printed cue card. His interviews in English at Tottering are bland to say the least. Maybe the interpreter should come back.
JLS217 Good post re the training. With you on this one. I'd still like to hear Rons view though he usually has good answers to such questions and doesn't waffle some meaningles bovine scatology. PS: "IG AT OLD MANAGER ALERT" Neither does he hide behind an interpreter but that' another matter altogether. I am convinced that during last seasons post match interviews Moreeechio was telling you what he gave his pet hamster for dinner and the interpreter just read a pre printed cue card. His interviews in English at Tottering are bland to say the least. Maybe the interpreter should come back. Alicesdad
  • Score: 1

11:47am Fri 15 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Interesting comment on the intensity of the training not being as high.

Given that the double training sessions seemed to undepin the preparation in the last two seasons is this something that should be retained or is the new regime not convincced its worthwhile ... question for the next Press Conference Echo !!
i think it goes back to what they actually do in training.
I saw an interview just after they came back for training where, and I think it was cork or jwp, said they were surprised to be using a ball straight away. last season they went a week or two without even seeing a ball.
these players are all professional athletes, although some haven't acted very professionally this summer, and their fitness levels are all pretty high, so I presume Ronnie is the type of manager who wants them to do a lot more `ball work` whilst still keeping their fitness levels up with normal fitness training.
those double training sessions did well last year but we did pick up quite a few injuries in training.
I don't think we are going to lose much of the intensity but I think we wont be trying to walk the ball into the net and shooting from distance more often.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Interesting comment on the intensity of the training not being as high. Given that the double training sessions seemed to undepin the preparation in the last two seasons is this something that should be retained or is the new regime not convincced its worthwhile ... question for the next Press Conference Echo !![/p][/quote]i think it goes back to what they actually do in training. I saw an interview just after they came back for training where, and I think it was cork or jwp, said they were surprised to be using a ball straight away. last season they went a week or two without even seeing a ball. these players are all professional athletes, although some haven't acted very professionally this summer, and their fitness levels are all pretty high, so I presume Ronnie is the type of manager who wants them to do a lot more `ball work` whilst still keeping their fitness levels up with normal fitness training. those double training sessions did well last year but we did pick up quite a few injuries in training. I don't think we are going to lose much of the intensity but I think we wont be trying to walk the ball into the net and shooting from distance more often. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 5

11:51am Fri 15 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Graham, North of Watford wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
“The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said.

So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got?

A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that…

..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure….

...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.
I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball.

The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.
I missed out on the earlier stuff. Who is Warren 76 and how does he know that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,”

Not being critical just wondered where the story came from.
I think if you read the initial article JWP claims that not Warren.
[quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said. So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got? A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that… ..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure…. ...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.[/p][/quote]I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball. The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.[/p][/quote]I missed out on the earlier stuff. Who is Warren 76 and how does he know that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” Not being critical just wondered where the story came from.[/p][/quote]I think if you read the initial article JWP claims that not Warren. jls217
  • Score: 1

11:57am Fri 15 Aug 14

Beatnik says...

What's wrong with Sam Gallagher? Is he injured?
What's wrong with Sam Gallagher? Is he injured? Beatnik
  • Score: 2

12:01pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

jls217 wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
“The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said.

So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got?

A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that…

..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure….

...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.
I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball.

The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.
I missed out on the earlier stuff. Who is Warren 76 and how does he know that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,”

Not being critical just wondered where the story came from.
I think if you read the initial article JWP claims that not Warren.
Warrens does seem to overgeneralise the statement a bit to include our style of play.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said. So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got? A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that… ..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure…. ...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.[/p][/quote]I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball. The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.[/p][/quote]I missed out on the earlier stuff. Who is Warren 76 and how does he know that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” Not being critical just wondered where the story came from.[/p][/quote]I think if you read the initial article JWP claims that not Warren.[/p][/quote]Warrens does seem to overgeneralise the statement a bit to include our style of play. Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

12:09pm Fri 15 Aug 14

jls217 says...

milton road wrote:
In relation to the training not being so intense. That can work two ways, it may mean we are not as fit as a team. it may also mean that because we do not push so hard in training me have a little more for the game and not run out of steam in the last quarter.
It's not hard and fast, black and white mate. There is a complete team of dieticians, physios, sports scientists, sports psychologists, coach assistants, coaches, deputy manager and manager himself and most important of all the player(s) in question. Training intensity can fluctuate and be changed at a moment's notice to suit the individual and the team. It's not a one size fits all blueprint. Everything is movable. If a player is lacking in wind then that can be improve hugely with 2-4 weeks intensive work for that player, the secret of good coaching/training is to keep the player at his optimum physical and mental powers for the day of the game and the duration of the game (it's here where knowing how to spot a flagging player by the management comes into play)
Modern football is very precise in its targeting, very flexible in the ability to spot and remedy small fluctuations in a player or the team as a whole. It doesn't take the risks with a player in the way it used to. They don't get wheeled out with painkillers as much. These players are valuable commodities and they are looked after every bit as much as the thoroughbred race horse. When a player gets a knock during a game why do you think they stay down so much nowadays? In the old days they jump up, stamp their foot, rub the leg and limp on with it. Not so nowadays they are told to stay if there is any doubt in their mind until the physio comes on to listen to what the players say and to do a cursory exam. No risks needed for long term injuries in any squad. It also gives the manager time to prepare a likely replacement on the field.
I think it's reasonable to surmise the reason that Liarllana rarely seemed to perform in top gear beyond about 70 mins and far too many teams got to know that we couldn't hold onto a lead or a draw in the last quarter of a game was down to, partially at least, overtraining. I would be willing to listen to arguments on that one but I reckon your version is not a million miles away mate.
The success or failure of a team goes deeper than the team picked for the game on any specific date. There is an army behind that man who must also be on the top of their speciality or it all collapses like a pack of cards.
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: In relation to the training not being so intense. That can work two ways, it may mean we are not as fit as a team. it may also mean that because we do not push so hard in training me have a little more for the game and not run out of steam in the last quarter.[/p][/quote]It's not hard and fast, black and white mate. There is a complete team of dieticians, physios, sports scientists, sports psychologists, coach assistants, coaches, deputy manager and manager himself and most important of all the player(s) in question. Training intensity can fluctuate and be changed at a moment's notice to suit the individual and the team. It's not a one size fits all blueprint. Everything is movable. If a player is lacking in wind then that can be improve hugely with 2-4 weeks intensive work for that player, the secret of good coaching/training is to keep the player at his optimum physical and mental powers for the day of the game and the duration of the game (it's here where knowing how to spot a flagging player by the management comes into play) Modern football is very precise in its targeting, very flexible in the ability to spot and remedy small fluctuations in a player or the team as a whole. It doesn't take the risks with a player in the way it used to. They don't get wheeled out with painkillers as much. These players are valuable commodities and they are looked after every bit as much as the thoroughbred race horse. When a player gets a knock during a game why do you think they stay down so much nowadays? In the old days they jump up, stamp their foot, rub the leg and limp on with it. Not so nowadays they are told to stay if there is any doubt in their mind until the physio comes on to listen to what the players say and to do a cursory exam. No risks needed for long term injuries in any squad. It also gives the manager time to prepare a likely replacement on the field. I think it's reasonable to surmise the reason that Liarllana rarely seemed to perform in top gear beyond about 70 mins and far too many teams got to know that we couldn't hold onto a lead or a draw in the last quarter of a game was down to, partially at least, overtraining. I would be willing to listen to arguments on that one but I reckon your version is not a million miles away mate. The success or failure of a team goes deeper than the team picked for the game on any specific date. There is an army behind that man who must also be on the top of their speciality or it all collapses like a pack of cards. jls217
  • Score: 10

12:12pm Fri 15 Aug 14

InsideOutCat says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Blue means Success wrote:
“Football is always changing. There is always people coming and going "

He s setting himself up for leaving at the end of the season to join his Pompey mates at Arsenal.

Enjoy his skills and grounded nature while he is stilll there
how delightful to be such a knob..you really are a bell end are'nt you.
Must still be on a high from scraping that draw at the mighty Exeter
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: “Football is always changing. There is always people coming and going " He s setting himself up for leaving at the end of the season to join his Pompey mates at Arsenal. Enjoy his skills and grounded nature while he is stilll there[/p][/quote]how delightful to be such a knob..you really are a bell end are'nt you.[/p][/quote]Must still be on a high from scraping that draw at the mighty Exeter InsideOutCat
  • Score: 2

12:13pm Fri 15 Aug 14

CB FRY LIVES says...

Well said JAMES WARD PROWSE- A future Saints and England captain.
I feel sorry for Rickie Lambchop.It will be the beetroot factory revisited for Mr Lambert on sunday as his Liverpool team will be thoroughly beaten by Southampton.
COME ON YOU SAINTS
Well said JAMES WARD PROWSE- A future Saints and England captain. I feel sorry for Rickie Lambchop.It will be the beetroot factory revisited for Mr Lambert on sunday as his Liverpool team will be thoroughly beaten by Southampton. COME ON YOU SAINTS CB FRY LIVES
  • Score: 5

12:45pm Fri 15 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Rising_Son wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
“The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said.

So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got?

A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that…

..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure….

...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.
I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball.

The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.
I missed out on the earlier stuff. Who is Warren 76 and how does he know that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,”

Not being critical just wondered where the story came from.
I think if you read the initial article JWP claims that not Warren.
Warrens does seem to overgeneralise the statement a bit to include our style of play.
No, I think we can assume that less focus on being ridiculously fit means we'll be less feverish in our style - it's a fair assumption.

Mo Po's style is pretty rare and I don't think we can expect another manager to come in and do the same.

I for one am very sad about that, but we have to accept this and look forward to a game where we spend less energy pressing and more energy when we have the ball.

I don't see this meaning we slow our game down while attacking - quite the opposite. I just think we'll slow our game down out of possession.

There are pros and cons I guess. People who like the more direct style (and I'm not talking long ball, just less slow build up and passing) will like it better because it won't be the Barcelona/Arsenal style that some people (not including me) think means a team has 'no plan B'.

On the up side, I think our players will probably have more composure when we do get the ball - I always felt Jay Rod in particular had run himself into the ground so much that he snatched at chances on many occasions.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said. So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got? A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that… ..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure…. ...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.[/p][/quote]I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball. The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.[/p][/quote]I missed out on the earlier stuff. Who is Warren 76 and how does he know that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” Not being critical just wondered where the story came from.[/p][/quote]I think if you read the initial article JWP claims that not Warren.[/p][/quote]Warrens does seem to overgeneralise the statement a bit to include our style of play.[/p][/quote]No, I think we can assume that less focus on being ridiculously fit means we'll be less feverish in our style - it's a fair assumption. Mo Po's style is pretty rare and I don't think we can expect another manager to come in and do the same. I for one am very sad about that, but we have to accept this and look forward to a game where we spend less energy pressing and more energy when we have the ball. I don't see this meaning we slow our game down while attacking - quite the opposite. I just think we'll slow our game down out of possession. There are pros and cons I guess. People who like the more direct style (and I'm not talking long ball, just less slow build up and passing) will like it better because it won't be the Barcelona/Arsenal style that some people (not including me) think means a team has 'no plan B'. On the up side, I think our players will probably have more composure when we do get the ball - I always felt Jay Rod in particular had run himself into the ground so much that he snatched at chances on many occasions. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

1:01pm Fri 15 Aug 14

kingkong 1 says...

Blue means Success wrote:
“Football is always changing. There is always people coming and going "

He s setting himself up for leaving at the end of the season to join his Pompey mates at Arsenal.

Enjoy his skills and grounded nature while he is stilll there
What an A...Hole comment.
[quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: “Football is always changing. There is always people coming and going " He s setting himself up for leaving at the end of the season to join his Pompey mates at Arsenal. Enjoy his skills and grounded nature while he is stilll there[/p][/quote]What an A...Hole comment. kingkong 1
  • Score: 1

1:02pm Fri 15 Aug 14

deepheat says...

If Alan Pardew, Nigel Adkins or Ronald Koeman had been in Poxytino's place last season I am sure we would have done better than 8th. From the very beginning of the '13 - '14 season Poxytino and his staff had a personal agenda and used Saints as a stepping stone and it became apparent that he was off as soon as Andre Villas-Boas was sacked by Spuds. This obviously effected the players and they made plans to leave as well. Poxytino will get no praise from me for inheriting a team he should have done much better with instead of destroying it.

I reckon Big Ron is in for a tough few months and with the addition of a few signings in the January transfer window we will finish the season in 12th place but in very good shape for a big push the following season. .
If Alan Pardew, Nigel Adkins or Ronald Koeman had been in Poxytino's place last season I am sure we would have done better than 8th. From the very beginning of the '13 - '14 season Poxytino and his staff had a personal agenda and used Saints as a stepping stone and it became apparent that he was off as soon as Andre Villas-Boas was sacked by Spuds. This obviously effected the players and they made plans to leave as well. Poxytino will get no praise from me for inheriting a team he should have done much better with instead of destroying it. I reckon Big Ron is in for a tough few months and with the addition of a few signings in the January transfer window we will finish the season in 12th place but in very good shape for a big push the following season. . deepheat
  • Score: 4

1:09pm Fri 15 Aug 14

jls217 says...

deepheat wrote:
If Alan Pardew, Nigel Adkins or Ronald Koeman had been in Poxytino's place last season I am sure we would have done better than 8th. From the very beginning of the '13 - '14 season Poxytino and his staff had a personal agenda and used Saints as a stepping stone and it became apparent that he was off as soon as Andre Villas-Boas was sacked by Spuds. This obviously effected the players and they made plans to leave as well. Poxytino will get no praise from me for inheriting a team he should have done much better with instead of destroying it.

I reckon Big Ron is in for a tough few months and with the addition of a few signings in the January transfer window we will finish the season in 12th place but in very good shape for a big push the following season. .
Agree - this season is a getting to know you exercise, next we will be pushing the big boys very hard.
[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: If Alan Pardew, Nigel Adkins or Ronald Koeman had been in Poxytino's place last season I am sure we would have done better than 8th. From the very beginning of the '13 - '14 season Poxytino and his staff had a personal agenda and used Saints as a stepping stone and it became apparent that he was off as soon as Andre Villas-Boas was sacked by Spuds. This obviously effected the players and they made plans to leave as well. Poxytino will get no praise from me for inheriting a team he should have done much better with instead of destroying it. I reckon Big Ron is in for a tough few months and with the addition of a few signings in the January transfer window we will finish the season in 12th place but in very good shape for a big push the following season. .[/p][/quote]Agree - this season is a getting to know you exercise, next we will be pushing the big boys very hard. jls217
  • Score: 2

1:16pm Fri 15 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

jls217 wrote:
milton road wrote:
In relation to the training not being so intense. That can work two ways, it may mean we are not as fit as a team. it may also mean that because we do not push so hard in training me have a little more for the game and not run out of steam in the last quarter.
It's not hard and fast, black and white mate. There is a complete team of dieticians, physios, sports scientists, sports psychologists, coach assistants, coaches, deputy manager and manager himself and most important of all the player(s) in question. Training intensity can fluctuate and be changed at a moment's notice to suit the individual and the team. It's not a one size fits all blueprint. Everything is movable. If a player is lacking in wind then that can be improve hugely with 2-4 weeks intensive work for that player, the secret of good coaching/training is to keep the player at his optimum physical and mental powers for the day of the game and the duration of the game (it's here where knowing how to spot a flagging player by the management comes into play)
Modern football is very precise in its targeting, very flexible in the ability to spot and remedy small fluctuations in a player or the team as a whole. It doesn't take the risks with a player in the way it used to. They don't get wheeled out with painkillers as much. These players are valuable commodities and they are looked after every bit as much as the thoroughbred race horse. When a player gets a knock during a game why do you think they stay down so much nowadays? In the old days they jump up, stamp their foot, rub the leg and limp on with it. Not so nowadays they are told to stay if there is any doubt in their mind until the physio comes on to listen to what the players say and to do a cursory exam. No risks needed for long term injuries in any squad. It also gives the manager time to prepare a likely replacement on the field.
I think it's reasonable to surmise the reason that Liarllana rarely seemed to perform in top gear beyond about 70 mins and far too many teams got to know that we couldn't hold onto a lead or a draw in the last quarter of a game was down to, partially at least, overtraining. I would be willing to listen to arguments on that one but I reckon your version is not a million miles away mate.
The success or failure of a team goes deeper than the team picked for the game on any specific date. There is an army behind that man who must also be on the top of their speciality or it all collapses like a pack of cards.
Let's hope R K gets the balance right, right level of intensity and essential shutting down but also takes the pressure off the players and lets the ball do the work.

Not sure that Sundays game might come a bit to early to expect a result, however, I think it will come good fairly quickly, can't put my finger on it but I am as excited as I have been about the start of the season and what it will bring.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: In relation to the training not being so intense. That can work two ways, it may mean we are not as fit as a team. it may also mean that because we do not push so hard in training me have a little more for the game and not run out of steam in the last quarter.[/p][/quote]It's not hard and fast, black and white mate. There is a complete team of dieticians, physios, sports scientists, sports psychologists, coach assistants, coaches, deputy manager and manager himself and most important of all the player(s) in question. Training intensity can fluctuate and be changed at a moment's notice to suit the individual and the team. It's not a one size fits all blueprint. Everything is movable. If a player is lacking in wind then that can be improve hugely with 2-4 weeks intensive work for that player, the secret of good coaching/training is to keep the player at his optimum physical and mental powers for the day of the game and the duration of the game (it's here where knowing how to spot a flagging player by the management comes into play) Modern football is very precise in its targeting, very flexible in the ability to spot and remedy small fluctuations in a player or the team as a whole. It doesn't take the risks with a player in the way it used to. They don't get wheeled out with painkillers as much. These players are valuable commodities and they are looked after every bit as much as the thoroughbred race horse. When a player gets a knock during a game why do you think they stay down so much nowadays? In the old days they jump up, stamp their foot, rub the leg and limp on with it. Not so nowadays they are told to stay if there is any doubt in their mind until the physio comes on to listen to what the players say and to do a cursory exam. No risks needed for long term injuries in any squad. It also gives the manager time to prepare a likely replacement on the field. I think it's reasonable to surmise the reason that Liarllana rarely seemed to perform in top gear beyond about 70 mins and far too many teams got to know that we couldn't hold onto a lead or a draw in the last quarter of a game was down to, partially at least, overtraining. I would be willing to listen to arguments on that one but I reckon your version is not a million miles away mate. The success or failure of a team goes deeper than the team picked for the game on any specific date. There is an army behind that man who must also be on the top of their speciality or it all collapses like a pack of cards.[/p][/quote]Let's hope R K gets the balance right, right level of intensity and essential shutting down but also takes the pressure off the players and lets the ball do the work. Not sure that Sundays game might come a bit to early to expect a result, however, I think it will come good fairly quickly, can't put my finger on it but I am as excited as I have been about the start of the season and what it will bring. fascia123
  • Score: 2

1:19pm Fri 15 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

JWP - New Signings were absolutely essential.

Would have liked to have signed the Leeds Lad to tighten up in Defence and also a goal scoring Winger - but overall a good bit of business and money left in the bank. COYR+WS
JWP - New Signings were absolutely essential. Would have liked to have signed the Leeds Lad to tighten up in Defence and also a goal scoring Winger - but overall a good bit of business and money left in the bank. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 4

1:23pm Fri 15 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

SaintJD wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
“The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said.

So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got?

A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that…

..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure….

...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.
I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball.

The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.
I missed out on the earlier stuff. Who is Warren 76 and how does he know that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,”

Not being critical just wondered where the story came from.
I think if you read the initial article JWP claims that not Warren.
Warrens does seem to overgeneralise the statement a bit to include our style of play.
No, I think we can assume that less focus on being ridiculously fit means we'll be less feverish in our style - it's a fair assumption.

Mo Po's style is pretty rare and I don't think we can expect another manager to come in and do the same.

I for one am very sad about that, but we have to accept this and look forward to a game where we spend less energy pressing and more energy when we have the ball.

I don't see this meaning we slow our game down while attacking - quite the opposite. I just think we'll slow our game down out of possession.

There are pros and cons I guess. People who like the more direct style (and I'm not talking long ball, just less slow build up and passing) will like it better because it won't be the Barcelona/Arsenal style that some people (not including me) think means a team has 'no plan B'.

On the up side, I think our players will probably have more composure when we do get the ball - I always felt Jay Rod in particular had run himself into the ground so much that he snatched at chances on many occasions.
For me it's not an either or, direct football or the style favoured by MOPO but more the ability and management skill to lay your stall out differently from the start for certain opposition, or make changes mid game when the high intensity game is not working.

Jose and several other managers found us out last year and when they did we just kept bashing away with the same system.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said. So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got? A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that… ..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure…. ...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.[/p][/quote]I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball. The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.[/p][/quote]I missed out on the earlier stuff. Who is Warren 76 and how does he know that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” Not being critical just wondered where the story came from.[/p][/quote]I think if you read the initial article JWP claims that not Warren.[/p][/quote]Warrens does seem to overgeneralise the statement a bit to include our style of play.[/p][/quote]No, I think we can assume that less focus on being ridiculously fit means we'll be less feverish in our style - it's a fair assumption. Mo Po's style is pretty rare and I don't think we can expect another manager to come in and do the same. I for one am very sad about that, but we have to accept this and look forward to a game where we spend less energy pressing and more energy when we have the ball. I don't see this meaning we slow our game down while attacking - quite the opposite. I just think we'll slow our game down out of possession. There are pros and cons I guess. People who like the more direct style (and I'm not talking long ball, just less slow build up and passing) will like it better because it won't be the Barcelona/Arsenal style that some people (not including me) think means a team has 'no plan B'. On the up side, I think our players will probably have more composure when we do get the ball - I always felt Jay Rod in particular had run himself into the ground so much that he snatched at chances on many occasions.[/p][/quote]For me it's not an either or, direct football or the style favoured by MOPO but more the ability and management skill to lay your stall out differently from the start for certain opposition, or make changes mid game when the high intensity game is not working. Jose and several other managers found us out last year and when they did we just kept bashing away with the same system. fascia123
  • Score: 2

1:23pm Fri 15 Aug 14

st.ranger says...

SaintJD wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
“The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said.

So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got?

A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that…

..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure….

...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.
I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball.

The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.
I missed out on the earlier stuff. Who is Warren 76 and how does he know that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,”

Not being critical just wondered where the story came from.
I think if you read the initial article JWP claims that not Warren.
Warrens does seem to overgeneralise the statement a bit to include our style of play.
No, I think we can assume that less focus on being ridiculously fit means we'll be less feverish in our style - it's a fair assumption.

Mo Po's style is pretty rare and I don't think we can expect another manager to come in and do the same.

I for one am very sad about that, but we have to accept this and look forward to a game where we spend less energy pressing and more energy when we have the ball.

I don't see this meaning we slow our game down while attacking - quite the opposite. I just think we'll slow our game down out of possession.

There are pros and cons I guess. People who like the more direct style (and I'm not talking long ball, just less slow build up and passing) will like it better because it won't be the Barcelona/Arsenal style that some people (not including me) think means a team has 'no plan B'.

On the up side, I think our players will probably have more composure when we do get the ball - I always felt Jay Rod in particular had run himself into the ground so much that he snatched at chances on many occasions.
The team did look fairly fit last year, but not I think astoundingly more than NA's teams the previous year. The high line worked mostly, but the lack of plan B showed against all the top boys and we were caught by a few teams that played badly against us but ended up with a point or even three. 70% possesion should mean goals, and we didn't do enough of them.

I though the spent far too much time passing the ball across the back four and to the goalie (noooooo don't let Artur try and play it out again!). They did not score enough goals because they did get ball in quick to the danager areas
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said. So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got? A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that… ..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure…. ...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.[/p][/quote]I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball. The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.[/p][/quote]I missed out on the earlier stuff. Who is Warren 76 and how does he know that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” Not being critical just wondered where the story came from.[/p][/quote]I think if you read the initial article JWP claims that not Warren.[/p][/quote]Warrens does seem to overgeneralise the statement a bit to include our style of play.[/p][/quote]No, I think we can assume that less focus on being ridiculously fit means we'll be less feverish in our style - it's a fair assumption. Mo Po's style is pretty rare and I don't think we can expect another manager to come in and do the same. I for one am very sad about that, but we have to accept this and look forward to a game where we spend less energy pressing and more energy when we have the ball. I don't see this meaning we slow our game down while attacking - quite the opposite. I just think we'll slow our game down out of possession. There are pros and cons I guess. People who like the more direct style (and I'm not talking long ball, just less slow build up and passing) will like it better because it won't be the Barcelona/Arsenal style that some people (not including me) think means a team has 'no plan B'. On the up side, I think our players will probably have more composure when we do get the ball - I always felt Jay Rod in particular had run himself into the ground so much that he snatched at chances on many occasions.[/p][/quote]The team did look fairly fit last year, but not I think astoundingly more than NA's teams the previous year. The high line worked mostly, but the lack of plan B showed against all the top boys and we were caught by a few teams that played badly against us but ended up with a point or even three. 70% possesion should mean goals, and we didn't do enough of them. I though the spent far too much time passing the ball across the back four and to the goalie (noooooo don't let Artur try and play it out again!). They did not score enough goals because they did get ball in quick to the danager areas st.ranger
  • Score: 3

1:30pm Fri 15 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

st.ranger wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
“The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said.

So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got?

A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that…

..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure….

...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.
I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball.

The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.
I missed out on the earlier stuff. Who is Warren 76 and how does he know that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,”

Not being critical just wondered where the story came from.
I think if you read the initial article JWP claims that not Warren.
Warrens does seem to overgeneralise the statement a bit to include our style of play.
No, I think we can assume that less focus on being ridiculously fit means we'll be less feverish in our style - it's a fair assumption.

Mo Po's style is pretty rare and I don't think we can expect another manager to come in and do the same.

I for one am very sad about that, but we have to accept this and look forward to a game where we spend less energy pressing and more energy when we have the ball.

I don't see this meaning we slow our game down while attacking - quite the opposite. I just think we'll slow our game down out of possession.

There are pros and cons I guess. People who like the more direct style (and I'm not talking long ball, just less slow build up and passing) will like it better because it won't be the Barcelona/Arsenal style that some people (not including me) think means a team has 'no plan B'.

On the up side, I think our players will probably have more composure when we do get the ball - I always felt Jay Rod in particular had run himself into the ground so much that he snatched at chances on many occasions.
The team did look fairly fit last year, but not I think astoundingly more than NA's teams the previous year. The high line worked mostly, but the lack of plan B showed against all the top boys and we were caught by a few teams that played badly against us but ended up with a point or even three. 70% possesion should mean goals, and we didn't do enough of them.

I though the spent far too much time passing the ball across the back four and to the goalie (noooooo don't let Artur try and play it out again!). They did not score enough goals because they did get ball in quick to the danager areas
Good post, are you referring to Villa game, what a night unbelievable result.
[quote][p][bold]st.ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said. So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got? A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that… ..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure…. ...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.[/p][/quote]I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball. The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.[/p][/quote]I missed out on the earlier stuff. Who is Warren 76 and how does he know that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” Not being critical just wondered where the story came from.[/p][/quote]I think if you read the initial article JWP claims that not Warren.[/p][/quote]Warrens does seem to overgeneralise the statement a bit to include our style of play.[/p][/quote]No, I think we can assume that less focus on being ridiculously fit means we'll be less feverish in our style - it's a fair assumption. Mo Po's style is pretty rare and I don't think we can expect another manager to come in and do the same. I for one am very sad about that, but we have to accept this and look forward to a game where we spend less energy pressing and more energy when we have the ball. I don't see this meaning we slow our game down while attacking - quite the opposite. I just think we'll slow our game down out of possession. There are pros and cons I guess. People who like the more direct style (and I'm not talking long ball, just less slow build up and passing) will like it better because it won't be the Barcelona/Arsenal style that some people (not including me) think means a team has 'no plan B'. On the up side, I think our players will probably have more composure when we do get the ball - I always felt Jay Rod in particular had run himself into the ground so much that he snatched at chances on many occasions.[/p][/quote]The team did look fairly fit last year, but not I think astoundingly more than NA's teams the previous year. The high line worked mostly, but the lack of plan B showed against all the top boys and we were caught by a few teams that played badly against us but ended up with a point or even three. 70% possesion should mean goals, and we didn't do enough of them. I though the spent far too much time passing the ball across the back four and to the goalie (noooooo don't let Artur try and play it out again!). They did not score enough goals because they did get ball in quick to the danager areas[/p][/quote]Good post, are you referring to Villa game, what a night unbelievable result. fascia123
  • Score: 0

1:32pm Fri 15 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

st.ranger wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
“The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said.

So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got?

A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that…

..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure….

...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.
I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball.

The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.
I missed out on the earlier stuff. Who is Warren 76 and how does he know that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,”

Not being critical just wondered where the story came from.
I think if you read the initial article JWP claims that not Warren.
Warrens does seem to overgeneralise the statement a bit to include our style of play.
No, I think we can assume that less focus on being ridiculously fit means we'll be less feverish in our style - it's a fair assumption.

Mo Po's style is pretty rare and I don't think we can expect another manager to come in and do the same.

I for one am very sad about that, but we have to accept this and look forward to a game where we spend less energy pressing and more energy when we have the ball.

I don't see this meaning we slow our game down while attacking - quite the opposite. I just think we'll slow our game down out of possession.

There are pros and cons I guess. People who like the more direct style (and I'm not talking long ball, just less slow build up and passing) will like it better because it won't be the Barcelona/Arsenal style that some people (not including me) think means a team has 'no plan B'.

On the up side, I think our players will probably have more composure when we do get the ball - I always felt Jay Rod in particular had run himself into the ground so much that he snatched at chances on many occasions.
The team did look fairly fit last year, but not I think astoundingly more than NA's teams the previous year. The high line worked mostly, but the lack of plan B showed against all the top boys and we were caught by a few teams that played badly against us but ended up with a point or even three. 70% possesion should mean goals, and we didn't do enough of them.

I though the spent far too much time passing the ball across the back four and to the goalie (noooooo don't let Artur try and play it out again!). They did not score enough goals because they did get ball in quick to the danager areas
100% agree with the last para, drove me insane at times, nonetheless the counterpoint is we allowed almost no one except Chelsea time on the ball which is the best you can do if not scoring...
[quote][p][bold]st.ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said. So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got? A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that… ..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure…. ...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.[/p][/quote]I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball. The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.[/p][/quote]I missed out on the earlier stuff. Who is Warren 76 and how does he know that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” Not being critical just wondered where the story came from.[/p][/quote]I think if you read the initial article JWP claims that not Warren.[/p][/quote]Warrens does seem to overgeneralise the statement a bit to include our style of play.[/p][/quote]No, I think we can assume that less focus on being ridiculously fit means we'll be less feverish in our style - it's a fair assumption. Mo Po's style is pretty rare and I don't think we can expect another manager to come in and do the same. I for one am very sad about that, but we have to accept this and look forward to a game where we spend less energy pressing and more energy when we have the ball. I don't see this meaning we slow our game down while attacking - quite the opposite. I just think we'll slow our game down out of possession. There are pros and cons I guess. People who like the more direct style (and I'm not talking long ball, just less slow build up and passing) will like it better because it won't be the Barcelona/Arsenal style that some people (not including me) think means a team has 'no plan B'. On the up side, I think our players will probably have more composure when we do get the ball - I always felt Jay Rod in particular had run himself into the ground so much that he snatched at chances on many occasions.[/p][/quote]The team did look fairly fit last year, but not I think astoundingly more than NA's teams the previous year. The high line worked mostly, but the lack of plan B showed against all the top boys and we were caught by a few teams that played badly against us but ended up with a point or even three. 70% possesion should mean goals, and we didn't do enough of them. I though the spent far too much time passing the ball across the back four and to the goalie (noooooo don't let Artur try and play it out again!). They did not score enough goals because they did get ball in quick to the danager areas[/p][/quote]100% agree with the last para, drove me insane at times, nonetheless the counterpoint is we allowed almost no one except Chelsea time on the ball which is the best you can do if not scoring... warrens 76
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1:49pm Fri 15 Aug 14

paulmsh says...

JWP is my tip for Saints player of the year in 2014/15. He has a terrific attitude, works hard on the pitch and seems comfortable in a variety of positions. He has a maturity beyond his years and I see him as a future captain. This season will see him fully establish himself at the heart of the team and a senior England call up can't be far off.
JWP is my tip for Saints player of the year in 2014/15. He has a terrific attitude, works hard on the pitch and seems comfortable in a variety of positions. He has a maturity beyond his years and I see him as a future captain. This season will see him fully establish himself at the heart of the team and a senior England call up can't be far off. paulmsh
  • Score: 3

1:53pm Fri 15 Aug 14

St Van Roetford says...

Blimes! Everyone's having a rational discussion about football. It must be the start of the season or something.
Blimes! Everyone's having a rational discussion about football. It must be the start of the season or something. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 7

1:57pm Fri 15 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Blimes! Everyone's having a rational discussion about football. It must be the start of the season or something.
Feeling a bit happier with the recent signings and names we are being linked with, three season tickets just behind dugouts on their way what could be better.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Blimes! Everyone's having a rational discussion about football. It must be the start of the season or something.[/p][/quote]Feeling a bit happier with the recent signings and names we are being linked with, three season tickets just behind dugouts on their way what could be better. fascia123
  • Score: 3

2:13pm Fri 15 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

kingkong 1 wrote:
Blue means Success wrote:
“Football is always changing. There is always people coming and going "

He s setting himself up for leaving at the end of the season to join his Pompey mates at Arsenal.

Enjoy his skills and grounded nature while he is stilll there
What an A...Hole comment.
What an A..hole full stop....:o)
[quote][p][bold]kingkong 1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: “Football is always changing. There is always people coming and going " He s setting himself up for leaving at the end of the season to join his Pompey mates at Arsenal. Enjoy his skills and grounded nature while he is stilll there[/p][/quote]What an A...Hole comment.[/p][/quote]What an A..hole full stop....:o) J7junctionseven
  • Score: 3

2:20pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

deepheat wrote:
If Alan Pardew, Nigel Adkins or Ronald Koeman had been in Poxytino's place last season I am sure we would have done better than 8th. From the very beginning of the '13 - '14 season Poxytino and his staff had a personal agenda and used Saints as a stepping stone and it became apparent that he was off as soon as Andre Villas-Boas was sacked by Spuds. This obviously effected the players and they made plans to leave as well. Poxytino will get no praise from me for inheriting a team he should have done much better with instead of destroying it.

I reckon Big Ron is in for a tough few months and with the addition of a few signings in the January transfer window we will finish the season in 12th place but in very good shape for a big push the following season. .
I would have thought that, in order to use us a stepping stone, MP would have had needed to impress people by getting Saints as high up the table as possible.

I think we'll probably finish several places higher than 12th.
[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: If Alan Pardew, Nigel Adkins or Ronald Koeman had been in Poxytino's place last season I am sure we would have done better than 8th. From the very beginning of the '13 - '14 season Poxytino and his staff had a personal agenda and used Saints as a stepping stone and it became apparent that he was off as soon as Andre Villas-Boas was sacked by Spuds. This obviously effected the players and they made plans to leave as well. Poxytino will get no praise from me for inheriting a team he should have done much better with instead of destroying it. I reckon Big Ron is in for a tough few months and with the addition of a few signings in the January transfer window we will finish the season in 12th place but in very good shape for a big push the following season. .[/p][/quote]I would have thought that, in order to use us a stepping stone, MP would have had needed to impress people by getting Saints as high up the table as possible. I think we'll probably finish several places higher than 12th. Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

2:46pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Tirau Dan says...

Great feel for this season.. Little Ron seems to be putting some zest back in the team with some common sense and no nonsense additions... There is a new air of open disclosure we haven't had about the club for a long time. (apart from the need for silence when they they are closing a deal)

Tadic Taidir Pelle and Long should compliment our existing players brilliantly and having things shorn up tight at the back with Forster, Gardos and Bertrand.... looking settled.. I think they'll hit the ground running..

3-0 Saints!!
Great feel for this season.. Little Ron seems to be putting some zest back in the team with some common sense and no nonsense additions... There is a new air of open disclosure we haven't had about the club for a long time. (apart from the need for silence when they they are closing a deal) Tadic Taidir Pelle and Long should compliment our existing players brilliantly and having things shorn up tight at the back with Forster, Gardos and Bertrand.... looking settled.. I think they'll hit the ground running.. 3-0 Saints!! Tirau Dan
  • Score: 1

3:14pm Fri 15 Aug 14

saintand266 says...

Blue means Success wrote:
“Football is always changing. There is always people coming and going "

He s setting himself up for leaving at the end of the season to join his Pompey mates at Arsenal.

Enjoy his skills and grounded nature while he is stilll there
Spillage in aisle 4 at nottarf tescos !
[quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: “Football is always changing. There is always people coming and going " He s setting himself up for leaving at the end of the season to join his Pompey mates at Arsenal. Enjoy his skills and grounded nature while he is stilll there[/p][/quote]Spillage in aisle 4 at nottarf tescos ! saintand266
  • Score: 4

4:07pm Fri 15 Aug 14

george chivers says...

I hope his style includes a plan B, which is hopefully a winger, and he doesn't just rely on overlapping wing backs to deliver crosses. The introduction of a fresh winger with 20 minutes to go can be very effective, particularly if they get to the dead ball line and cut it back when the opposition's defence is tiring and facing its own goal. Or they go it alone through the middle and shoot for goal. Wing backs don't tend to do that especially not in the first half when the focus is on ball retention, possession and the delivery of crosses into pre-defined areas for forwards to attack.

I think, understandably, we will struggle a bit on Sunday, a draw would be a great result given the pre-season turmoil we have suffered and a very good foundation to build on.
I hope his style includes a plan B, which is hopefully a winger, and he doesn't just rely on overlapping wing backs to deliver crosses. The introduction of a fresh winger with 20 minutes to go can be very effective, particularly if they get to the dead ball line and cut it back when the opposition's defence is tiring and facing its own goal. Or they go it alone through the middle and shoot for goal. Wing backs don't tend to do that especially not in the first half when the focus is on ball retention, possession and the delivery of crosses into pre-defined areas for forwards to attack. I think, understandably, we will struggle a bit on Sunday, a draw would be a great result given the pre-season turmoil we have suffered and a very good foundation to build on. george chivers
  • Score: 1

4:12pm Fri 15 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Tirau Dan wrote:
Great feel for this season.. Little Ron seems to be putting some zest back in the team with some common sense and no nonsense additions... There is a new air of open disclosure we haven't had about the club for a long time. (apart from the need for silence when they they are closing a deal)

Tadic Taidir Pelle and Long should compliment our existing players brilliantly and having things shorn up tight at the back with Forster, Gardos and Bertrand.... looking settled.. I think they'll hit the ground running..

3-0 Saints!!
Love it, I feel the same way, I am looking forward to this season as much as I have for ages.
[quote][p][bold]Tirau Dan[/bold] wrote: Great feel for this season.. Little Ron seems to be putting some zest back in the team with some common sense and no nonsense additions... There is a new air of open disclosure we haven't had about the club for a long time. (apart from the need for silence when they they are closing a deal) Tadic Taidir Pelle and Long should compliment our existing players brilliantly and having things shorn up tight at the back with Forster, Gardos and Bertrand.... looking settled.. I think they'll hit the ground running.. 3-0 Saints!![/p][/quote]Love it, I feel the same way, I am looking forward to this season as much as I have for ages. fascia123
  • Score: 2

4:16pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Tirau Dan wrote:
Great feel for this season.. Little Ron seems to be putting some zest back in the team with some common sense and no nonsense additions... There is a new air of open disclosure we haven't had about the club for a long time. (apart from the need for silence when they they are closing a deal)

Tadic Taidir Pelle and Long should compliment our existing players brilliantly and having things shorn up tight at the back with Forster, Gardos and Bertrand.... looking settled.. I think they'll hit the ground running..

3-0 Saints!!
Love it, I feel the same way, I am looking forward to this season as much as I have for ages.
Well said fascia,so have I. Football's Koeman home!
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tirau Dan[/bold] wrote: Great feel for this season.. Little Ron seems to be putting some zest back in the team with some common sense and no nonsense additions... There is a new air of open disclosure we haven't had about the club for a long time. (apart from the need for silence when they they are closing a deal) Tadic Taidir Pelle and Long should compliment our existing players brilliantly and having things shorn up tight at the back with Forster, Gardos and Bertrand.... looking settled.. I think they'll hit the ground running.. 3-0 Saints!![/p][/quote]Love it, I feel the same way, I am looking forward to this season as much as I have for ages.[/p][/quote]Well said fascia,so have I. Football's Koeman home! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

4:23pm Fri 15 Aug 14

thinklikealocal says...

Rising_Son wrote:
deepheat wrote:
If Alan Pardew, Nigel Adkins or Ronald Koeman had been in Poxytino's place last season I am sure we would have done better than 8th. From the very beginning of the '13 - '14 season Poxytino and his staff had a personal agenda and used Saints as a stepping stone and it became apparent that he was off as soon as Andre Villas-Boas was sacked by Spuds. This obviously effected the players and they made plans to leave as well. Poxytino will get no praise from me for inheriting a team he should have done much better with instead of destroying it.

I reckon Big Ron is in for a tough few months and with the addition of a few signings in the January transfer window we will finish the season in 12th place but in very good shape for a big push the following season. .
I would have thought that, in order to use us a stepping stone, MP would have had needed to impress people by getting Saints as high up the table as possible.

I think we'll probably finish several places higher than 12th.
Maybe that's why he wasn't interested in the cup? Was that for 'selfish' reasons? We'll never know but it would provide an explanation for what was pretty hard to understand.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: If Alan Pardew, Nigel Adkins or Ronald Koeman had been in Poxytino's place last season I am sure we would have done better than 8th. From the very beginning of the '13 - '14 season Poxytino and his staff had a personal agenda and used Saints as a stepping stone and it became apparent that he was off as soon as Andre Villas-Boas was sacked by Spuds. This obviously effected the players and they made plans to leave as well. Poxytino will get no praise from me for inheriting a team he should have done much better with instead of destroying it. I reckon Big Ron is in for a tough few months and with the addition of a few signings in the January transfer window we will finish the season in 12th place but in very good shape for a big push the following season. .[/p][/quote]I would have thought that, in order to use us a stepping stone, MP would have had needed to impress people by getting Saints as high up the table as possible. I think we'll probably finish several places higher than 12th.[/p][/quote]Maybe that's why he wasn't interested in the cup? Was that for 'selfish' reasons? We'll never know but it would provide an explanation for what was pretty hard to understand. thinklikealocal
  • Score: 0

4:33pm Fri 15 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
deepheat wrote:
If Alan Pardew, Nigel Adkins or Ronald Koeman had been in Poxytino's place last season I am sure we would have done better than 8th. From the very beginning of the '13 - '14 season Poxytino and his staff had a personal agenda and used Saints as a stepping stone and it became apparent that he was off as soon as Andre Villas-Boas was sacked by Spuds. This obviously effected the players and they made plans to leave as well. Poxytino will get no praise from me for inheriting a team he should have done much better with instead of destroying it.

I reckon Big Ron is in for a tough few months and with the addition of a few signings in the January transfer window we will finish the season in 12th place but in very good shape for a big push the following season. .
I would have thought that, in order to use us a stepping stone, MP would have had needed to impress people by getting Saints as high up the table as possible.

I think we'll probably finish several places higher than 12th.
Maybe that's why he wasn't interested in the cup? Was that for 'selfish' reasons? We'll never know but it would provide an explanation for what was pretty hard to understand.
Sorry I am going to drag the conspiracy theory out again, if we had found a route into Europe via the cup would all of the players of left? And would that of suited a manager knowing he was leaving and an ex chairman who had his wings clipped.

To be honest I don't give a Shyte now, I am feeling more and more positive by the day and even if Sunday is a challenge that comes to early I feel good things are only just round the corner.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: If Alan Pardew, Nigel Adkins or Ronald Koeman had been in Poxytino's place last season I am sure we would have done better than 8th. From the very beginning of the '13 - '14 season Poxytino and his staff had a personal agenda and used Saints as a stepping stone and it became apparent that he was off as soon as Andre Villas-Boas was sacked by Spuds. This obviously effected the players and they made plans to leave as well. Poxytino will get no praise from me for inheriting a team he should have done much better with instead of destroying it. I reckon Big Ron is in for a tough few months and with the addition of a few signings in the January transfer window we will finish the season in 12th place but in very good shape for a big push the following season. .[/p][/quote]I would have thought that, in order to use us a stepping stone, MP would have had needed to impress people by getting Saints as high up the table as possible. I think we'll probably finish several places higher than 12th.[/p][/quote]Maybe that's why he wasn't interested in the cup? Was that for 'selfish' reasons? We'll never know but it would provide an explanation for what was pretty hard to understand.[/p][/quote]Sorry I am going to drag the conspiracy theory out again, if we had found a route into Europe via the cup would all of the players of left? And would that of suited a manager knowing he was leaving and an ex chairman who had his wings clipped. To be honest I don't give a Shyte now, I am feeling more and more positive by the day and even if Sunday is a challenge that comes to early I feel good things are only just round the corner. fascia123
  • Score: 3

5:21pm Fri 15 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

st.ranger wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
“The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said.

So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got?

A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that…

..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure….

...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.
I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball.

The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.
I missed out on the earlier stuff. Who is Warren 76 and how does he know that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,”

Not being critical just wondered where the story came from.
I think if you read the initial article JWP claims that not Warren.
Warrens does seem to overgeneralise the statement a bit to include our style of play.
No, I think we can assume that less focus on being ridiculously fit means we'll be less feverish in our style - it's a fair assumption.

Mo Po's style is pretty rare and I don't think we can expect another manager to come in and do the same.

I for one am very sad about that, but we have to accept this and look forward to a game where we spend less energy pressing and more energy when we have the ball.

I don't see this meaning we slow our game down while attacking - quite the opposite. I just think we'll slow our game down out of possession.

There are pros and cons I guess. People who like the more direct style (and I'm not talking long ball, just less slow build up and passing) will like it better because it won't be the Barcelona/Arsenal style that some people (not including me) think means a team has 'no plan B'.

On the up side, I think our players will probably have more composure when we do get the ball - I always felt Jay Rod in particular had run himself into the ground so much that he snatched at chances on many occasions.
The team did look fairly fit last year, but not I think astoundingly more than NA's teams the previous year. The high line worked mostly, but the lack of plan B showed against all the top boys and we were caught by a few teams that played badly against us but ended up with a point or even three. 70% possesion should mean goals, and we didn't do enough of them.

I though the spent far too much time passing the ball across the back four and to the goalie (noooooo don't let Artur try and play it out again!). They did not score enough goals because they did get ball in quick to the danager areas
In fairness we were even worse under NA for keeping the ball at the back then making suicide passes in the middle of the park..Reading was one of several that cost us the Championship...
No MoPo made us more secure with possession and whilst we had a few last minute worries under NA it was becoming a ritual..
I do not want to lose our intensity just do more with the possession.
[quote][p][bold]st.ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” he said. So if the style is similar but we take the intensity out of it what have we got? A few of us were not happy at NA's teams slowness in build up I for one hope we are not reverting to that… ..we do not have a strong enough defense to allow for soaking up pressure…. ...the whole point about MoPo's style was that although one dimensional other teams caused us few problems BECAUSE we never let them have the ball.[/p][/quote]I think Saints success last season was due to the intensity of Saints play and when we won the ball the quality insured we surprised a few teams. I agree this could be a worry taking the intensity out of the play it could also though lead to us not being so vulnerable when we don't have the ball. The problem is the intensity and high line that we played last season created a lot of goals for the team. I don't see us scoring as many goals as last season unless Pelle, Tadic and Taider take the league by storm and are ably supported by Long, Ramirez, Davis and JWP. This is where the goals need to come from until we get JayRod back.[/p][/quote]I missed out on the earlier stuff. Who is Warren 76 and how does he know that “The physical work we are doing in training is not as intense under the new manager,” Not being critical just wondered where the story came from.[/p][/quote]I think if you read the initial article JWP claims that not Warren.[/p][/quote]Warrens does seem to overgeneralise the statement a bit to include our style of play.[/p][/quote]No, I think we can assume that less focus on being ridiculously fit means we'll be less feverish in our style - it's a fair assumption. Mo Po's style is pretty rare and I don't think we can expect another manager to come in and do the same. I for one am very sad about that, but we have to accept this and look forward to a game where we spend less energy pressing and more energy when we have the ball. I don't see this meaning we slow our game down while attacking - quite the opposite. I just think we'll slow our game down out of possession. There are pros and cons I guess. People who like the more direct style (and I'm not talking long ball, just less slow build up and passing) will like it better because it won't be the Barcelona/Arsenal style that some people (not including me) think means a team has 'no plan B'. On the up side, I think our players will probably have more composure when we do get the ball - I always felt Jay Rod in particular had run himself into the ground so much that he snatched at chances on many occasions.[/p][/quote]The team did look fairly fit last year, but not I think astoundingly more than NA's teams the previous year. The high line worked mostly, but the lack of plan B showed against all the top boys and we were caught by a few teams that played badly against us but ended up with a point or even three. 70% possesion should mean goals, and we didn't do enough of them. I though the spent far too much time passing the ball across the back four and to the goalie (noooooo don't let Artur try and play it out again!). They did not score enough goals because they did get ball in quick to the danager areas[/p][/quote]In fairness we were even worse under NA for keeping the ball at the back then making suicide passes in the middle of the park..Reading was one of several that cost us the Championship... No MoPo made us more secure with possession and whilst we had a few last minute worries under NA it was becoming a ritual.. I do not want to lose our intensity just do more with the possession. warrens 76
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5:55pm Fri 15 Aug 14

NC Fan4Life says...

fascia123 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
devonsaint2 wrote:
I hope JWP is correct...Last year the pressing style was great but we always looked vulnerable in the last 15 minutes. Maybe save some of that energy and keep the ball even more.

Ron Vlaar and another forward and it all looks god. The academy & young players fill the gaps ( Reed, Gallagher, Mc Queen, Tagett ) . My mood has changed and really looking forward to this season.

Only conundrum is Morgan...I would not like an upset player staying but would hate it if he went to Spurs...I think if Arsenal game in with a bid of around £22,000,001 we would sell him..

Liverpoool 1 Saints 1 ( fonte )
Sell Spider keep Cork and using the money buy. Classie and Vlaar and we will have a squad for the coming season.
Seems a sound enough proposition but I wouldn't write Spyder off just yet there may be a surprise or two to come out of that all yet.
I just wonder if we have enough midfielders without Spyder, I suppose I am biased as I really like Cork, i know everyone is going on that we have plenty to spend but I for one don't think that's the case, and maybe if we could get circa 20 k+ for Spyder we could sign those few quality players that would give us IMO a better squad than last year.
Disagree Fascia
Having a bigger squad does not improve the 11 on the pitch.

Morgan is a proven top CM who is just reaching his prime, we would need over £25m for him and then have to find as good a player by spending most of it and leave any for another one. However we could try bidding £15 for Jordy Classie who could be a replacement, or buy him anyway.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]devonsaint2[/bold] wrote: I hope JWP is correct...Last year the pressing style was great but we always looked vulnerable in the last 15 minutes. Maybe save some of that energy and keep the ball even more. Ron Vlaar and another forward and it all looks god. The academy & young players fill the gaps ( Reed, Gallagher, Mc Queen, Tagett ) . My mood has changed and really looking forward to this season. Only conundrum is Morgan...I would not like an upset player staying but would hate it if he went to Spurs...I think if Arsenal game in with a bid of around £22,000,001 we would sell him.. Liverpoool 1 Saints 1 ( fonte )[/p][/quote]Sell Spider keep Cork and using the money buy. Classie and Vlaar and we will have a squad for the coming season.[/p][/quote]Seems a sound enough proposition but I wouldn't write Spyder off just yet there may be a surprise or two to come out of that all yet.[/p][/quote]I just wonder if we have enough midfielders without Spyder, I suppose I am biased as I really like Cork, i know everyone is going on that we have plenty to spend but I for one don't think that's the case, and maybe if we could get circa 20 k+ for Spyder we could sign those few quality players that would give us IMO a better squad than last year.[/p][/quote]Disagree Fascia Having a bigger squad does not improve the 11 on the pitch. Morgan is a proven top CM who is just reaching his prime, we would need over £25m for him and then have to find as good a player by spending most of it and leave any for another one. However we could try bidding £15 for Jordy Classie who could be a replacement, or buy him anyway. NC Fan4Life
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6:05pm Fri 15 Aug 14

NC Fan4Life says...

george chivers wrote:
I hope his style includes a plan B, which is hopefully a winger, and he doesn't just rely on overlapping wing backs to deliver crosses. The introduction of a fresh winger with 20 minutes to go can be very effective, particularly if they get to the dead ball line and cut it back when the opposition's defence is tiring and facing its own goal. Or they go it alone through the middle and shoot for goal. Wing backs don't tend to do that especially not in the first half when the focus is on ball retention, possession and the delivery of crosses into pre-defined areas for forwards to attack.

I think, understandably, we will struggle a bit on Sunday, a draw would be a great result given the pre-season turmoil we have suffered and a very good foundation to build on.
Completely agree with all your post.

I would play a 4-5-1 formation and close Liverpool down for a draw, but with attacking options should we make a mistake and go behind.

COYR&WS
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: I hope his style includes a plan B, which is hopefully a winger, and he doesn't just rely on overlapping wing backs to deliver crosses. The introduction of a fresh winger with 20 minutes to go can be very effective, particularly if they get to the dead ball line and cut it back when the opposition's defence is tiring and facing its own goal. Or they go it alone through the middle and shoot for goal. Wing backs don't tend to do that especially not in the first half when the focus is on ball retention, possession and the delivery of crosses into pre-defined areas for forwards to attack. I think, understandably, we will struggle a bit on Sunday, a draw would be a great result given the pre-season turmoil we have suffered and a very good foundation to build on.[/p][/quote]Completely agree with all your post. I would play a 4-5-1 formation and close Liverpool down for a draw, but with attacking options should we make a mistake and go behind. COYR&WS NC Fan4Life
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7:41pm Fri 15 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
devonsaint2 wrote:
I hope JWP is correct...Last year the pressing style was great but we always looked vulnerable in the last 15 minutes. Maybe save some of that energy and keep the ball even more.

Ron Vlaar and another forward and it all looks god. The academy & young players fill the gaps ( Reed, Gallagher, Mc Queen, Tagett ) . My mood has changed and really looking forward to this season.

Only conundrum is Morgan...I would not like an upset player staying but would hate it if he went to Spurs...I think if Arsenal game in with a bid of around £22,000,001 we would sell him..

Liverpoool 1 Saints 1 ( fonte )
Sell Spider keep Cork and using the money buy. Classie and Vlaar and we will have a squad for the coming season.
Seems a sound enough proposition but I wouldn't write Spyder off just yet there may be a surprise or two to come out of that all yet.
I just wonder if we have enough midfielders without Spyder, I suppose I am biased as I really like Cork, i know everyone is going on that we have plenty to spend but I for one don't think that's the case, and maybe if we could get circa 20 k+ for Spyder we could sign those few quality players that would give us IMO a better squad than last year.
Disagree Fascia
Having a bigger squad does not improve the 11 on the pitch.

Morgan is a proven top CM who is just reaching his prime, we would need over £25m for him and then have to find as good a player by spending most of it and leave any for another one. However we could try bidding £15 for Jordy Classie who could be a replacement, or buy him anyway.
It's not the bigger squad, I actually prefer cork to spyder and with the abundance of midfield talent and best of all of varying types, some defensive, some creative and some attacking I am saying I wouldn't be to worried if we cashed in and bought players in other areas of the pitch, I quote Classie because he is a notch up again.

Another CB., another forward and or a winger with pace.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]devonsaint2[/bold] wrote: I hope JWP is correct...Last year the pressing style was great but we always looked vulnerable in the last 15 minutes. Maybe save some of that energy and keep the ball even more. Ron Vlaar and another forward and it all looks god. The academy & young players fill the gaps ( Reed, Gallagher, Mc Queen, Tagett ) . My mood has changed and really looking forward to this season. Only conundrum is Morgan...I would not like an upset player staying but would hate it if he went to Spurs...I think if Arsenal game in with a bid of around £22,000,001 we would sell him.. Liverpoool 1 Saints 1 ( fonte )[/p][/quote]Sell Spider keep Cork and using the money buy. Classie and Vlaar and we will have a squad for the coming season.[/p][/quote]Seems a sound enough proposition but I wouldn't write Spyder off just yet there may be a surprise or two to come out of that all yet.[/p][/quote]I just wonder if we have enough midfielders without Spyder, I suppose I am biased as I really like Cork, i know everyone is going on that we have plenty to spend but I for one don't think that's the case, and maybe if we could get circa 20 k+ for Spyder we could sign those few quality players that would give us IMO a better squad than last year.[/p][/quote]Disagree Fascia Having a bigger squad does not improve the 11 on the pitch. Morgan is a proven top CM who is just reaching his prime, we would need over £25m for him and then have to find as good a player by spending most of it and leave any for another one. However we could try bidding £15 for Jordy Classie who could be a replacement, or buy him anyway.[/p][/quote]It's not the bigger squad, I actually prefer cork to spyder and with the abundance of midfield talent and best of all of varying types, some defensive, some creative and some attacking I am saying I wouldn't be to worried if we cashed in and bought players in other areas of the pitch, I quote Classie because he is a notch up again. Another CB., another forward and or a winger with pace. fascia123
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8:20pm Fri 15 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

As the venerable Dave Merrington would say, "What we don't want is our best players pulling hamstrings or getting injured before the season starts"
As the venerable Dave Merrington would say, "What we don't want is our best players pulling hamstrings or getting injured before the season starts" OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

8:53pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Blimes! Everyone's having a rational discussion about football. It must be the start of the season or something.
It's your fault, what with going all poet and emotional on everyone in your first post.

Mind you, that Dan bl00dy Kerris didn't help matters, writing such a well-thought-out and positive article.

As for all you above who have posted, (with the obvious exception of the one who thinks Blue equals success), what's with all the positivity? You're making me feel right good about life and stuff. Please, stop it, or the negs will be in meltdown.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Blimes! Everyone's having a rational discussion about football. It must be the start of the season or something.[/p][/quote]It's your fault, what with going all poet and emotional on everyone in your first post. Mind you, that Dan bl00dy Kerris didn't help matters, writing such a well-thought-out and positive article. As for all you above who have posted, (with the obvious exception of the one who thinks Blue equals success), what's with all the positivity? You're making me feel right good about life and stuff. Please, stop it, or the negs will be in meltdown. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 0

9:23pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

Blue means Success wrote:
“Football is always changing. There is always people coming and going "

He s setting himself up for leaving at the end of the season to join his Pompey mates at Arsenal.

Enjoy his skills and grounded nature while he is stilll there
That's always a possibility isn't it. I imagine he would go for 10-15 times the value of your entire laughing stock of a sh1thole of a club.
[quote][p][bold]Blue means Success[/bold] wrote: “Football is always changing. There is always people coming and going " He s setting himself up for leaving at the end of the season to join his Pompey mates at Arsenal. Enjoy his skills and grounded nature while he is stilll there[/p][/quote]That's always a possibility isn't it. I imagine he would go for 10-15 times the value of your entire laughing stock of a sh1thole of a club. Clever Dick
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