Saints signings Graziano Pelle and Dusan Tadic will take time to adapt to the physical nature of the Premier League, says Ronald Koeman

Dusan Tadic

Dusan Tadic

First published in Sport Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Senior Sports Reporter

Summer signings Graziano Pelle and Dusan Tadic will take time to adapt to the physical nature of the Premier League, according to Ronald Koeman.

The pair arrived from the Dutch top flight as the first signings of the Koeman era, with striker Pelle joining from Feyenoord and playmaker Tadic from FC Twente.

Each player has started both of Saints’ opening Premier League matches – a 2-1 defeat at Liverpool and Saturday’s 0-0 home draw with West Brom. Tadic has looked bright in both encounters, and it seems as though he will be one of the team’s greatest creative forces this season.

Pelle, by contrast, has struggled to provide such a threat as yet.

The 29-year-old boasts a sensational scoring record from the past two seasons in the Eredivisie, and Koeman wants to see a more aggressive approach from him as he bids to bring that form to England.

“It’s difficult,” said Koeman. “I think sometimes he can be a little bit more aggressive maybe, to expect in which position the ball falls down, but he needs players from the midfield and with movements around him.

“That was the reason that we changed at half-time and we bring in Shane Long to have more speed in front. I mean, if there comes a long ball, you have to expect something.

“If you wait and you go then, sometimes you are too late.

“But for Pelle and Tadic it’s a higher level and they need to be stronger to be competitive in the Premier League. They need time for that, because it’s a big change.

“The defenders are stronger and it’s more physical than in Holland. The qualities they have, but they need time to adapt.”

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5:46am Mon 25 Aug 14

nomorerumours says...

Please will all those impatient Saints fans listen to our manager. We have the basis of a great and exciting team. We will steadily improve and rapidly climb the table. Just give our team and Ronko some time and 100% support. Premature criticism will hit players' confidence and jeering at any of our players is strictly for the opposing fans. I have had to post similar comments on several other threads. Being concerned is understandable, being worried is OK but making ill-judged and nasty comments this early in the season is totally inappropriate and unfair.
Please will all those impatient Saints fans listen to our manager. We have the basis of a great and exciting team. We will steadily improve and rapidly climb the table. Just give our team and Ronko some time and 100% support. Premature criticism will hit players' confidence and jeering at any of our players is strictly for the opposing fans. I have had to post similar comments on several other threads. Being concerned is understandable, being worried is OK but making ill-judged and nasty comments this early in the season is totally inappropriate and unfair. nomorerumours
  • Score: 143

6:17am Mon 25 Aug 14

notaclue says...

We have got to keep the faith and get behind them both, they will prove to be great signings given enough time so lets cheer them on and off the field and they will get there even quicker.
We have got to keep the faith and get behind them both, they will prove to be great signings given enough time so lets cheer them on and off the field and they will get there even quicker. notaclue
  • Score: 84

6:30am Mon 25 Aug 14

baldcoot says...

All good things come to those that wait. COYR
All good things come to those that wait. COYR baldcoot
  • Score: 56

6:36am Mon 25 Aug 14

Chipmonk1 says...

Tadic is just about there already and clearly is a class player. Pelle will come good especially when the team start playing how RoKo wants which is quick crosses coming in from the wings. Banging the ball up to a bloke with his back to goal and two defenders tattooed to his rear end was not that clever. On the plus side defensively we seem as strong as last year so ya boo sux to you Lovren. We just need to work in the last third but I distinctly remember thinking that last year.
Tadic is just about there already and clearly is a class player. Pelle will come good especially when the team start playing how RoKo wants which is quick crosses coming in from the wings. Banging the ball up to a bloke with his back to goal and two defenders tattooed to his rear end was not that clever. On the plus side defensively we seem as strong as last year so ya boo sux to you Lovren. We just need to work in the last third but I distinctly remember thinking that last year. Chipmonk1
  • Score: 52

7:36am Mon 25 Aug 14

Goalscoringmachine says...

baldcoot wrote:
All good things come to those that wait. COYR
Sorry baldy but that is lame. This is premier league football where winning is everything and no second chances, how long do you suggest we wait? RK in the previous Echo story has said they are still looking to make new signings. On the evidence so far and with only a week left we cannot just wait fingers crossed, you have to act. I am not writing off any new player and will support the team to my last breath but we need decisive leadership not just hoping for the best. We need someone to put the ball in the back of the net and we need them now.
[quote][p][bold]baldcoot[/bold] wrote: All good things come to those that wait. COYR[/p][/quote]Sorry baldy but that is lame. This is premier league football where winning is everything and no second chances, how long do you suggest we wait? RK in the previous Echo story has said they are still looking to make new signings. On the evidence so far and with only a week left we cannot just wait fingers crossed, you have to act. I am not writing off any new player and will support the team to my last breath but we need decisive leadership not just hoping for the best. We need someone to put the ball in the back of the net and we need them now. Goalscoringmachine
  • Score: -34

7:51am Mon 25 Aug 14

milton road says...

He took off Davis to give movement by bringing on Long? Davis does nothing but move.
Tadic will be a star no prob but unfortunately Pelle doesn't even seem to create a threat at the moment. Which is a worry.
Saying that one of our worst performances last season was against WBA at home we created few chances and whilst dominating the opposition struggled to win 1-0. Again they were well organised and stopped us playing and again it was a dour game. We need an attacker and wide man and hopefully Pelle will adapt and becomes a start turn.
He took off Davis to give movement by bringing on Long? Davis does nothing but move. Tadic will be a star no prob but unfortunately Pelle doesn't even seem to create a threat at the moment. Which is a worry. Saying that one of our worst performances last season was against WBA at home we created few chances and whilst dominating the opposition struggled to win 1-0. Again they were well organised and stopped us playing and again it was a dour game. We need an attacker and wide man and hopefully Pelle will adapt and becomes a start turn. milton road
  • Score: 15

8:13am Mon 25 Aug 14

saintbobby says...

Seems to me Ron has read the more sensible posts here and agrees with us patient ones.

Hells, bells, just 2 games - give 'em a chance!
Seems to me Ron has read the more sensible posts here and agrees with us patient ones. Hells, bells, just 2 games - give 'em a chance! saintbobby
  • Score: 33

8:18am Mon 25 Aug 14

saintsfan76 says...

When you have two teams like Saints and WBA who are good in defence they cancel each other out. I think.most were expecting and hoping for a performance like the one at Liverpool where they looked a threat most of the time. Sadly coming up against a "wall" that fluent play was not possible. A point on the board is better than none at all. Its just a shame that MP has managed to pick up 6 of them.in his 2 matches.
When you have two teams like Saints and WBA who are good in defence they cancel each other out. I think.most were expecting and hoping for a performance like the one at Liverpool where they looked a threat most of the time. Sadly coming up against a "wall" that fluent play was not possible. A point on the board is better than none at all. Its just a shame that MP has managed to pick up 6 of them.in his 2 matches. saintsfan76
  • Score: 13

8:33am Mon 25 Aug 14

mikesugar says...

I was at the game on Saturday and yes it was a boring stalemate. Not sure we are going to fill the ground with the ticket prices so high Saints, may need to rethink pricing structure going forward. Plus points were the defense Yosh had a very good game Forster magnificent and most if not all if his clearances stayed in the pitch. Fonte was immense and the new left back is really really good. No penetration up front and lack of movement caused us to make too many lateral passes and so slowed the game down. WBA came for a draw and got it. They were solid. Man of the Match easily Victor looking forward to seeing better performances which will come. COYS!!!!!!!!!!
I was at the game on Saturday and yes it was a boring stalemate. Not sure we are going to fill the ground with the ticket prices so high Saints, may need to rethink pricing structure going forward. Plus points were the defense Yosh had a very good game Forster magnificent and most if not all if his clearances stayed in the pitch. Fonte was immense and the new left back is really really good. No penetration up front and lack of movement caused us to make too many lateral passes and so slowed the game down. WBA came for a draw and got it. They were solid. Man of the Match easily Victor looking forward to seeing better performances which will come. COYS!!!!!!!!!! mikesugar
  • Score: 20

8:53am Mon 25 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

And the good news is that Spuds have turned down £12million for Townsend. We don't need to be spending that kind of money on a sicknote striker who gets very few goals. Can we move on now and try to get in somebody who actually excites the fans. Surely the supposed 20 people we have scouting the world for us can come up with someone better than this. And please don't go bac k in again with a better offer.It's only Levy throwing his toys out of the pram cos he can't have Spider.
And the good news is that Spuds have turned down £12million for Townsend. We don't need to be spending that kind of money on a sicknote striker who gets very few goals. Can we move on now and try to get in somebody who actually excites the fans. Surely the supposed 20 people we have scouting the world for us can come up with someone better than this. And please don't go bac k in again with a better offer.It's only Levy throwing his toys out of the pram cos he can't have Spider. Clever Dick
  • Score: 23

8:57am Mon 25 Aug 14

wellow saint says...

mikesugar wrote:
I was at the game on Saturday and yes it was a boring stalemate. Not sure we are going to fill the ground with the ticket prices so high Saints, may need to rethink pricing structure going forward. Plus points were the defense Yosh had a very good game Forster magnificent and most if not all if his clearances stayed in the pitch. Fonte was immense and the new left back is really really good. No penetration up front and lack of movement caused us to make too many lateral passes and so slowed the game down. WBA came for a draw and got it. They were solid. Man of the Match easily Victor looking forward to seeing better performances which will come. COYS!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with you re Forster a fantastic sighing and the defence looked solid. Tadic will have to improve his final ball if he is going to be a success. Whilst Pelle must be given time,if as I fear he is out of his depth,just as Guly was at this level,where are the goals coming from ?
[quote][p][bold]mikesugar[/bold] wrote: I was at the game on Saturday and yes it was a boring stalemate. Not sure we are going to fill the ground with the ticket prices so high Saints, may need to rethink pricing structure going forward. Plus points were the defense Yosh had a very good game Forster magnificent and most if not all if his clearances stayed in the pitch. Fonte was immense and the new left back is really really good. No penetration up front and lack of movement caused us to make too many lateral passes and so slowed the game down. WBA came for a draw and got it. They were solid. Man of the Match easily Victor looking forward to seeing better performances which will come. COYS!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]I agree with you re Forster a fantastic sighing and the defence looked solid. Tadic will have to improve his final ball if he is going to be a success. Whilst Pelle must be given time,if as I fear he is out of his depth,just as Guly was at this level,where are the goals coming from ? wellow saint
  • Score: -4

8:57am Mon 25 Aug 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

Patience and the new boys will GEL , but also Ron , needs time to see what works and WHERE we still need strength . DONT PANIC , the bonus is that the season is early . QPR & PALACE should worry ! not us . C O Y R
Patience and the new boys will GEL , but also Ron , needs time to see what works and WHERE we still need strength . DONT PANIC , the bonus is that the season is early . QPR & PALACE should worry ! not us . C O Y R SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 12

8:59am Mon 25 Aug 14

oh when the saints says...

nomorerumours wrote:
Please will all those impatient Saints fans listen to our manager. We have the basis of a great and exciting team. We will steadily improve and rapidly climb the table. Just give our team and Ronko some time and 100% support. Premature criticism will hit players' confidence and jeering at any of our players is strictly for the opposing fans. I have had to post similar comments on several other threads. Being concerned is understandable, being worried is OK but making ill-judged and nasty comments this early in the season is totally inappropriate and unfair.
Thank you
[quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: Please will all those impatient Saints fans listen to our manager. We have the basis of a great and exciting team. We will steadily improve and rapidly climb the table. Just give our team and Ronko some time and 100% support. Premature criticism will hit players' confidence and jeering at any of our players is strictly for the opposing fans. I have had to post similar comments on several other threads. Being concerned is understandable, being worried is OK but making ill-judged and nasty comments this early in the season is totally inappropriate and unfair.[/p][/quote]Thank you oh when the saints
  • Score: 14

8:59am Mon 25 Aug 14

oh when the saints says...

nomorerumours wrote:
Please will all those impatient Saints fans listen to our manager. We have the basis of a great and exciting team. We will steadily improve and rapidly climb the table. Just give our team and Ronko some time and 100% support. Premature criticism will hit players' confidence and jeering at any of our players is strictly for the opposing fans. I have had to post similar comments on several other threads. Being concerned is understandable, being worried is OK but making ill-judged and nasty comments this early in the season is totally inappropriate and unfair.
Thank you
[quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: Please will all those impatient Saints fans listen to our manager. We have the basis of a great and exciting team. We will steadily improve and rapidly climb the table. Just give our team and Ronko some time and 100% support. Premature criticism will hit players' confidence and jeering at any of our players is strictly for the opposing fans. I have had to post similar comments on several other threads. Being concerned is understandable, being worried is OK but making ill-judged and nasty comments this early in the season is totally inappropriate and unfair.[/p][/quote]Thank you oh when the saints
  • Score: 10

9:02am Mon 25 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

If you told me at the end of last season that WHU would be playing attractive football and we would look dire I would have had your bumps examined…

Saturday is going to br very revealing.
If you told me at the end of last season that WHU would be playing attractive football and we would look dire I would have had your bumps examined… Saturday is going to br very revealing. warrens 76
  • Score: 9

9:08am Mon 25 Aug 14

Chapperall says...

mikesugar wrote:
I was at the game on Saturday and yes it was a boring stalemate. Not sure we are going to fill the ground with the ticket prices so high Saints, may need to rethink pricing structure going forward. Plus points were the defense Yosh had a very good game Forster magnificent and most if not all if his clearances stayed in the pitch. Fonte was immense and the new left back is really really good. No penetration up front and lack of movement caused us to make too many lateral passes and so slowed the game down. WBA came for a draw and got it. They were solid. Man of the Match easily Victor looking forward to seeing better performances which will come. COYS!!!!!!!!!!
Agree with this post . Forster looks class and commands the area particularly strong in the air. Tadic looks good but is lacking support,as several times he was just missing someone to pass to, the team seemed slow on Saturday. Still we got a point which is better than zero. West Ham will be tough next week and will just eat up high balls if we play that game again as they are masters of this!
The jury's out for me regarding Pelle you can't score so many goals in Holland and be a c--p player, however he was poor on Saturday and the fans are already turning on him. I was really hoping he would get a goal to help his confidence but there was no chance on Saturday his heading and first touch was poor.
Lastly I agree the team needs time but I think we got the tactics wrong on Saturday. And played into their hands as their defence was solid and Olsen was better in the air than Pelle.
I could not understand taking off Davis as he didn't stop running. Hopefully Long will start against West Ham as he will give them problems as their defence are slow. Here's hoping we can get some more points on the board . However if we think we have problems look at Manure same points as us and the team under performing . Who would have thought! It just proves that no matter what club it is when you go through transition it's a testing time for all!
[quote][p][bold]mikesugar[/bold] wrote: I was at the game on Saturday and yes it was a boring stalemate. Not sure we are going to fill the ground with the ticket prices so high Saints, may need to rethink pricing structure going forward. Plus points were the defense Yosh had a very good game Forster magnificent and most if not all if his clearances stayed in the pitch. Fonte was immense and the new left back is really really good. No penetration up front and lack of movement caused us to make too many lateral passes and so slowed the game down. WBA came for a draw and got it. They were solid. Man of the Match easily Victor looking forward to seeing better performances which will come. COYS!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Agree with this post . Forster looks class and commands the area particularly strong in the air. Tadic looks good but is lacking support,as several times he was just missing someone to pass to, the team seemed slow on Saturday. Still we got a point which is better than zero. West Ham will be tough next week and will just eat up high balls if we play that game again as they are masters of this! The jury's out for me regarding Pelle you can't score so many goals in Holland and be a c--p player, however he was poor on Saturday and the fans are already turning on him. I was really hoping he would get a goal to help his confidence but there was no chance on Saturday his heading and first touch was poor. Lastly I agree the team needs time but I think we got the tactics wrong on Saturday. And played into their hands as their defence was solid and Olsen was better in the air than Pelle. I could not understand taking off Davis as he didn't stop running. Hopefully Long will start against West Ham as he will give them problems as their defence are slow. Here's hoping we can get some more points on the board . However if we think we have problems look at Manure same points as us and the team under performing . Who would have thought! It just proves that no matter what club it is when you go through transition it's a testing time for all! Chapperall
  • Score: 12

9:16am Mon 25 Aug 14

Shrewdsaint says...

warrens 76 wrote:
If you told me at the end of last season that WHU would be playing attractive football and we would look dire I would have had your bumps examined…

Saturday is going to br very revealing.
I was impressed with Saints at Anfield and it was only a while ago we lost 3-0 to West Brom at home, with 2 sent off. Shane Long shone in that game along with Lukaku. I have full confidence in Ron, Tadic is top class and will improve, Pelle needs crosses to score. But mostly I like to big up JWP and Maya for marked improvement on last year.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: If you told me at the end of last season that WHU would be playing attractive football and we would look dire I would have had your bumps examined… Saturday is going to br very revealing.[/p][/quote]I was impressed with Saints at Anfield and it was only a while ago we lost 3-0 to West Brom at home, with 2 sent off. Shane Long shone in that game along with Lukaku. I have full confidence in Ron, Tadic is top class and will improve, Pelle needs crosses to score. But mostly I like to big up JWP and Maya for marked improvement on last year. Shrewdsaint
  • Score: 12

9:18am Mon 25 Aug 14

SNUGGLES 78 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
And the good news is that Spuds have turned down £12million for Townsend. We don't need to be spending that kind of money on a sicknote striker who gets very few goals. Can we move on now and try to get in somebody who actually excites the fans. Surely the supposed 20 people we have scouting the world for us can come up with someone better than this. And please don't go bac k in again with a better offer.It's only Levy throwing his toys out of the pram cos he can't have Spider.
Spurs are top of the league ,no need for relegation fodders cast offs ,another hiding coming up at wet spam saturday.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: And the good news is that Spuds have turned down £12million for Townsend. We don't need to be spending that kind of money on a sicknote striker who gets very few goals. Can we move on now and try to get in somebody who actually excites the fans. Surely the supposed 20 people we have scouting the world for us can come up with someone better than this. And please don't go bac k in again with a better offer.It's only Levy throwing his toys out of the pram cos he can't have Spider.[/p][/quote]Spurs are top of the league ,no need for relegation fodders cast offs ,another hiding coming up at wet spam saturday. SNUGGLES 78
  • Score: -22

9:30am Mon 25 Aug 14

SFCOLDBOY says...

I think the picture at the top of this page shows everything about Saturdays' game----

i.e.--------- 1 Saints player-- 4 WBA .

Pelle also had to deal with this.

There was obvious reasons for this--

1) Our defence was not getting out quickly enough.
2) Hopeful and desperate lumping of the ball forward.
(Something we haven't seen since our Championship relegation days)
3) Lack of pressing in midfield.
4) Someone must be always close to Pelle to pick up the balls that he wins and play the balls to his feet not always in the air.
5) Pelle as a target man, has to be more mobile and aggressive.

What has gone wrong with the mentality of the majority of our team who have remained loyal to our club.
I know we have a new manager who has his ideas on how we should play but pressing is the way forward, this enables our players to retrieve balls quickly when lost and stops the opposition domination.
The game is being allowed to get too stretched causing our midfield players to run around like scared cats.
Some very namby pamby tackling was noticeable Saturday certainly didn't help our cause.
The new keeper did well, was a good replacement for Boruc.
There seems to be the excuse that all the new players need to bed in.
Of our 10 other players there were only 2 initially,that were new to us, so surely the base game, derived over several seasons should automatically kick in.
Are they fit enough?

Come on Saints this was not good enough.
We have a fantastic way to gain confidence and help solve these problems on Tuesday, by showing Millwall how far they are away from the Premier league .
COYS.
I think the picture at the top of this page shows everything about Saturdays' game---- i.e.--------- 1 Saints player-- 4 WBA . Pelle also had to deal with this. There was obvious reasons for this-- 1) Our defence was not getting out quickly enough. 2) Hopeful and desperate lumping of the ball forward. (Something we haven't seen since our Championship relegation days) 3) Lack of pressing in midfield. 4) Someone must be always close to Pelle to pick up the balls that he wins and play the balls to his feet not always in the air. 5) Pelle as a target man, has to be more mobile and aggressive. What has gone wrong with the mentality of the majority of our team who have remained loyal to our club. I know we have a new manager who has his ideas on how we should play but pressing is the way forward, this enables our players to retrieve balls quickly when lost and stops the opposition domination. The game is being allowed to get too stretched causing our midfield players to run around like scared cats. Some very namby pamby tackling was noticeable Saturday certainly didn't help our cause. The new keeper did well, was a good replacement for Boruc. There seems to be the excuse that all the new players need to bed in. Of our 10 other players there were only 2 initially,that were new to us, so surely the base game, derived over several seasons should automatically kick in. Are they fit enough? Come on Saints this was not good enough. We have a fantastic way to gain confidence and help solve these problems on Tuesday, by showing Millwall how far they are away from the Premier league . COYS. SFCOLDBOY
  • Score: 9

9:31am Mon 25 Aug 14

SaintChristopher says...

A team will generally be relegation fodder if they concede goals easily, and/or can't score themselves. I cannot see that the former is true, a back seven of Forster, Clyne, Bertrand, Gardos/Yoshida, Fonte, Schneiderlin and Wanyama spells top half of the table with Cork more than capable of filling in for the defensive midfield positions. Ideally I'd like another centre half but I trust RonKo that Gardos is the real deal. With a new centre half we are comfortably top 10 defensively, without we are probably 12th. In attack, we need pace and creativity and someone to put away the chances created. Whilst I agree that Pelle and Long may not have set the pulse racing yet, add in Jay-Rod and I'd be surprised if the board would sanction another striker when we already have these three (when fit) effectively competing for one starting position, although clearly Jay can also play out wide. So, for the three players competing to play in a more offensive role behind the lone striker, perm three from Tadic, Ramirez, Taider, Davis, and JWP and we're almost there, clearly this doesn't include the wealth of fresh young talent coming through in the form of Isgrove, Reed, Gallagher etc. Where I can see us lacking is that we are a bit too slow to be incisive, at the top level you need pace to really trouble Prem defenders and that is why we are missing Jay at present. Only Clyne and Bertrand offer genuine pace at the minute, we would have a more potent attack with a Nathan Redmond, Wilfried Zaha or Mohammed Salah on the opposite wing to Tadic. Not Andros Townsend! As it stands, our attack is what concerns me the most but Jay Rod returning will make a big difference, I'd absolutely love to see Redmond signed permanently, and Zaha signed on loan (too risky to buy outright as he's been a flop at Man U and at Cardiff on loan). With those two we'll be 10th or better, without I think there are still easily three worse teams than us but we'll be in the bottom 8 due to a lack of goals arising from having no pace. Koeman has my full trust and support, I am convinced that he already knows this and will address it before the window closes. COYR.
A team will generally be relegation fodder if they concede goals easily, and/or can't score themselves. I cannot see that the former is true, a back seven of Forster, Clyne, Bertrand, Gardos/Yoshida, Fonte, Schneiderlin and Wanyama spells top half of the table with Cork more than capable of filling in for the defensive midfield positions. Ideally I'd like another centre half but I trust RonKo that Gardos is the real deal. With a new centre half we are comfortably top 10 defensively, without we are probably 12th. In attack, we need pace and creativity and someone to put away the chances created. Whilst I agree that Pelle and Long may not have set the pulse racing yet, add in Jay-Rod and I'd be surprised if the board would sanction another striker when we already have these three (when fit) effectively competing for one starting position, although clearly Jay can also play out wide. So, for the three players competing to play in a more offensive role behind the lone striker, perm three from Tadic, Ramirez, Taider, Davis, and JWP and we're almost there, clearly this doesn't include the wealth of fresh young talent coming through in the form of Isgrove, Reed, Gallagher etc. Where I can see us lacking is that we are a bit too slow to be incisive, at the top level you need pace to really trouble Prem defenders and that is why we are missing Jay at present. Only Clyne and Bertrand offer genuine pace at the minute, we would have a more potent attack with a Nathan Redmond, Wilfried Zaha or Mohammed Salah on the opposite wing to Tadic. Not Andros Townsend! As it stands, our attack is what concerns me the most but Jay Rod returning will make a big difference, I'd absolutely love to see Redmond signed permanently, and Zaha signed on loan (too risky to buy outright as he's been a flop at Man U and at Cardiff on loan). With those two we'll be 10th or better, without I think there are still easily three worse teams than us but we'll be in the bottom 8 due to a lack of goals arising from having no pace. Koeman has my full trust and support, I am convinced that he already knows this and will address it before the window closes. COYR. SaintChristopher
  • Score: 7

9:39am Mon 25 Aug 14

saintmicky says...

Yes let's be patient, and try to imagine that we are not watching a slow motion version of wet spam. Dire does not go far enough to describe what the few of us that turned up on Saturday had to endure. Worrying times. Five thousand stayed at home before they knew what a crock of sh1te it was going to be, what about the week after next?
You cannot replace quality with mediocrity and expect to get away with it!
Tactically, Plan? What ****ing plan?
Yes let's be patient, and try to imagine that we are not watching a slow motion version of wet spam. Dire does not go far enough to describe what the few of us that turned up on Saturday had to endure. Worrying times. Five thousand stayed at home before they knew what a crock of sh1te it was going to be, what about the week after next? You cannot replace quality with mediocrity and expect to get away with it! Tactically, Plan? What ****ing plan? saintmicky
  • Score: -13

10:00am Mon 25 Aug 14

george chivers says...

My pre-season prediction was four points from the first four games and seven points from the following four games. Ending the season with around 52-55. I'll stick with that regardless of who we might sign between now and first of September. Once Pelle and Long have scored their confidence will soar and results will improve.
My pre-season prediction was four points from the first four games and seven points from the following four games. Ending the season with around 52-55. I'll stick with that regardless of who we might sign between now and first of September. Once Pelle and Long have scored their confidence will soar and results will improve. george chivers
  • Score: 10

10:00am Mon 25 Aug 14

george chivers says...

My pre-season prediction was four points from the first four games and seven points from the following four games. Ending the season with around 52-55. I'll stick with that regardless of who we might sign between now and first of September. Once Pelle and Long have scored their confidence will soar and results will improve.
My pre-season prediction was four points from the first four games and seven points from the following four games. Ending the season with around 52-55. I'll stick with that regardless of who we might sign between now and first of September. Once Pelle and Long have scored their confidence will soar and results will improve. george chivers
  • Score: 6

10:06am Mon 25 Aug 14

SnapperSaint says...

saintmicky wrote:
Yes let's be patient, and try to imagine that we are not watching a slow motion version of wet spam. Dire does not go far enough to describe what the few of us that turned up on Saturday had to endure. Worrying times. Five thousand stayed at home before they knew what a crock of sh1te it was going to be, what about the week after next?
You cannot replace quality with mediocrity and expect to get away with it!
Tactically, Plan? What ****ing plan?
You start by saying let's be patient, then go on a rant!
Being patient means giving them time to prove themselves...
[quote][p][bold]saintmicky[/bold] wrote: Yes let's be patient, and try to imagine that we are not watching a slow motion version of wet spam. Dire does not go far enough to describe what the few of us that turned up on Saturday had to endure. Worrying times. Five thousand stayed at home before they knew what a crock of sh1te it was going to be, what about the week after next? You cannot replace quality with mediocrity and expect to get away with it! Tactically, Plan? What ****ing plan?[/p][/quote]You start by saying let's be patient, then go on a rant! Being patient means giving them time to prove themselves... SnapperSaint
  • Score: 9

10:18am Mon 25 Aug 14

Chapperall says...

SNUGGLES 78 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
And the good news is that Spuds have turned down £12million for Townsend. We don't need to be spending that kind of money on a sicknote striker who gets very few goals. Can we move on now and try to get in somebody who actually excites the fans. Surely the supposed 20 people we have scouting the world for us can come up with someone better than this. And please don't go bac k in again with a better offer.It's only Levy throwing his toys out of the pram cos he can't have Spider.
Spurs are top of the league ,no need for relegation fodders cast offs ,another hiding coming up at wet spam saturday.
Hiding at West Ham yeah right. They are hardly top quality opposition!
Our midfield and defence is much better than theirs. I think it's another draw!
[quote][p][bold]SNUGGLES 78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: And the good news is that Spuds have turned down £12million for Townsend. We don't need to be spending that kind of money on a sicknote striker who gets very few goals. Can we move on now and try to get in somebody who actually excites the fans. Surely the supposed 20 people we have scouting the world for us can come up with someone better than this. And please don't go bac k in again with a better offer.It's only Levy throwing his toys out of the pram cos he can't have Spider.[/p][/quote]Spurs are top of the league ,no need for relegation fodders cast offs ,another hiding coming up at wet spam saturday.[/p][/quote]Hiding at West Ham yeah right. They are hardly top quality opposition! Our midfield and defence is much better than theirs. I think it's another draw! Chapperall
  • Score: 3

10:47am Mon 25 Aug 14

jls217 says...

These sage words were cut and pasted from a blog supplied by a septic fan sunning himself in California who seems to have a better grasp than many of those who turn up week in week out. IMHO - naturally.

The reaction to Saturday’s draw has left me somewhat confused. On the various forums devoted to Southampton FC, many alleged fans of the team have already decided the season is a disaster and Pelle is the worst thing since unsliced bread. This seems to miss the point of being a fan.

Although I have only been a fan since 2010, I want Southampton FC to play well, win games, and provide entertainment. Now that I am writing a blog about the team, I also want the club to generate interesting subjects for discussion. Generally, this means that I support the team. This does not mean mindless—the team is always right—total support, but it does mean approaching events with an optimistic attitude. When I analyze some aspect of Southampton FC, I will let the chips fall where they may. I will not slant my analysis to favor the club or begin the analysis already knowing my result. But no matter what I conclude, I will always hope that things will go well, that the team will win games, and that the team will improve.

Of course, sitting at my computer in San Luis Obispo, California, there is not much I can do that is directly helpful and supportive. The situation is different for fans living in Southampton. This brings me to my primary question: What useful purpose is served by making a scapegoat out of Pelle or any other Southampton player? Does anyone really think that if the fans harass and mock him, he will play better? Given this past summer where we were all disappointed by the level of loyalty shown by some of our player wouldn’t it be a good idea to try to start things out on the right foot with the newer players by making them feel welcome and wanted?
Think back to this moment: (https://www.youtube
.com/watch?v=YfZlkEt
aAjA and http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/sport/1096448
7.Guly_penalty_prove
s_team_spirit_is_str
ong___Perez/ ) Does that not suggest that suggest that, despite the extreme hostility towards Guly demonstrated by many fans, Guly was popular with his teammates? Maybe they would have felt more loyalty to our team if their friend and fellow player had been better treated by the fans?

The same is true of the treatment of Katharina Liebherr. After the first few player sales had occurred, it was certainly theoretically possible that she was asset stripping the club. Yet, the board members all said that was not what was happening and, however, this season turns out, they were telling the truth. Yet, appalling comments about her gender and appearance were not uncommon on the various forums. I have seen few, if any, apologies either for the personal attacks or the misguided accusations.

I assume that someone at the club keeps up with what is said about the club online—if nothing else, it might help them figure out if anyone is leaking information they shouldn’t. Does anyone really think that our team’s owner will do more for the club if she hears that many fans have gratuitously insulted her and accused her and her handpicked board members of being incompetent, evil liars? Hopefully, the insults will not affect her at all, but what is the point of making them? And don’t tell me it is just a way of blowing off steam with some harmless banter.

Some people have claimed that last year’s team would have won Saturday’s game by 3 or 4 goals. Given that we only won three league games last year by three goals, this seems unlikely. If anything, the first two games have raised a strong sense of déjà vu. In Liverpool, we outplayed the other side for much of the game, but missed our chances and dropped points. Against West Brom, we dominated possession but failed to turn that possession into goals and dropped points. Those results are entirely typical of last year. By my count, there were twelve games last year we should have drawn or won but instead lost or drew—dropping 24 total points. Of course, all team drop points, but I don’t see the performances this year as being out of line with the performances from last year. This might change if we lose our next two games, but even if that happens it hardly means we are doomed to relegation.

There are legitimate questions to be asked about the current team and management and I am sure we would all like a chance to ask them and get some answers. But that probably won’t happen. In time, many of the answers will become clear, but in the meanwhile there is simply nothing to be gained by holding a negative attitude. On paper our team is one of the ten best teams in the league. Financially, our team is one of the six or seven strongest in the league. Our manager has a good track record—I certainly would not trade him for the managers of most other BPL teams. The dream we all had—that last year’s team would progress and reach the Champions League—is gone, but it was probably not a realistic dream in the first place. (http://redsloscf.bl
ogspot.com/2014/08/h
ow-close-were-we.htm
l ) Instead, we should enjoy what we have now, which is a lot more than what Southampton FC fans had five years ago, and more than most fans now have in their local clubs. If nothing else you can look at the situation of your beloved neighbors to see how much worse things could be.
These sage words were cut and pasted from a blog supplied by a septic fan sunning himself in California who seems to have a better grasp than many of those who turn up week in week out. IMHO - naturally. The reaction to Saturday’s draw has left me somewhat confused. On the various forums devoted to Southampton FC, many alleged fans of the team have already decided the season is a disaster and Pelle is the worst thing since unsliced bread. This seems to miss the point of being a fan. Although I have only been a fan since 2010, I want Southampton FC to play well, win games, and provide entertainment. Now that I am writing a blog about the team, I also want the club to generate interesting subjects for discussion. Generally, this means that I support the team. This does not mean mindless—the team is always right—total support, but it does mean approaching events with an optimistic attitude. When I analyze some aspect of Southampton FC, I will let the chips fall where they may. I will not slant my analysis to favor the club or begin the analysis already knowing my result. But no matter what I conclude, I will always hope that things will go well, that the team will win games, and that the team will improve. Of course, sitting at my computer in San Luis Obispo, California, there is not much I can do that is directly helpful and supportive. The situation is different for fans living in Southampton. This brings me to my primary question: What useful purpose is served by making a scapegoat out of Pelle or any other Southampton player? Does anyone really think that if the fans harass and mock him, he will play better? Given this past summer where we were all disappointed by the level of loyalty shown by some of our player wouldn’t it be a good idea to try to start things out on the right foot with the newer players by making them feel welcome and wanted? Think back to this moment: (https://www.youtube .com/watch?v=YfZlkEt aAjA and http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/sport/1096448 7.Guly_penalty_prove s_team_spirit_is_str ong___Perez/ ) Does that not suggest that suggest that, despite the extreme hostility towards Guly demonstrated by many fans, Guly was popular with his teammates? Maybe they would have felt more loyalty to our team if their friend and fellow player had been better treated by the fans? The same is true of the treatment of Katharina Liebherr. After the first few player sales had occurred, it was certainly theoretically possible that she was asset stripping the club. Yet, the board members all said that was not what was happening and, however, this season turns out, they were telling the truth. Yet, appalling comments about her gender and appearance were not uncommon on the various forums. I have seen few, if any, apologies either for the personal attacks or the misguided accusations. I assume that someone at the club keeps up with what is said about the club online—if nothing else, it might help them figure out if anyone is leaking information they shouldn’t. Does anyone really think that our team’s owner will do more for the club if she hears that many fans have gratuitously insulted her and accused her and her handpicked board members of being incompetent, evil liars? Hopefully, the insults will not affect her at all, but what is the point of making them? And don’t tell me it is just a way of blowing off steam with some harmless banter. Some people have claimed that last year’s team would have won Saturday’s game by 3 or 4 goals. Given that we only won three league games last year by three goals, this seems unlikely. If anything, the first two games have raised a strong sense of déjà vu. In Liverpool, we outplayed the other side for much of the game, but missed our chances and dropped points. Against West Brom, we dominated possession but failed to turn that possession into goals and dropped points. Those results are entirely typical of last year. By my count, there were twelve games last year we should have drawn or won but instead lost or drew—dropping 24 total points. Of course, all team drop points, but I don’t see the performances this year as being out of line with the performances from last year. This might change if we lose our next two games, but even if that happens it hardly means we are doomed to relegation. There are legitimate questions to be asked about the current team and management and I am sure we would all like a chance to ask them and get some answers. But that probably won’t happen. In time, many of the answers will become clear, but in the meanwhile there is simply nothing to be gained by holding a negative attitude. On paper our team is one of the ten best teams in the league. Financially, our team is one of the six or seven strongest in the league. Our manager has a good track record—I certainly would not trade him for the managers of most other BPL teams. The dream we all had—that last year’s team would progress and reach the Champions League—is gone, but it was probably not a realistic dream in the first place. (http://redsloscf.bl ogspot.com/2014/08/h ow-close-were-we.htm l ) Instead, we should enjoy what we have now, which is a lot more than what Southampton FC fans had five years ago, and more than most fans now have in their local clubs. If nothing else you can look at the situation of your beloved neighbors to see how much worse things could be. jls217
  • Score: 1

11:04am Mon 25 Aug 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Goalscoringmachine wrote:
baldcoot wrote:
All good things come to those that wait. COYR
Sorry baldy but that is lame. This is premier league football where winning is everything and no second chances, how long do you suggest we wait? RK in the previous Echo story has said they are still looking to make new signings. On the evidence so far and with only a week left we cannot just wait fingers crossed, you have to act. I am not writing off any new player and will support the team to my last breath but we need decisive leadership not just hoping for the best. We need someone to put the ball in the back of the net and we need them now.
I agree, you don't get much time in this league. The worst thing that can happen is to find ourselves in the bottom three by the end of September as the fixtures start getting harder after that and the players confidence will have dropped making it difficult for the new players to settle.

I have watched the Bayer Lev, Liverpool & West Brom games:-
Tadic already looks as though he is improving, although concerned that he 'disappeared' at times on Saturday.
Forster looked good and Bertrand has done OK.
Not seen enough of Taider yet.
Isgrove is a busy tricky player but is lightweight & no end product.

It is up front that is a concern Long is what he is, an average front man option and cover, as he has shown at his previous clubs. He was over-priced but we may get more from him if he was played up front rather than wide.

Pelle is a big concern because his basics were not good for an experienced 29yr old. In three games he has shown that he does not win many headers for a big man, those he does are miss-placed. He does not hold the ball up well and his lay-off were poor. However he has not had any service in the box so we need to do that to decide if he proves to be a Premiership or a Championship player.

Must buy a Winger, CB, & proven Goalscorer this week, it will be a long wait until January.

Come on Les, get these players in next 6 days.
[quote][p][bold]Goalscoringmachine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baldcoot[/bold] wrote: All good things come to those that wait. COYR[/p][/quote]Sorry baldy but that is lame. This is premier league football where winning is everything and no second chances, how long do you suggest we wait? RK in the previous Echo story has said they are still looking to make new signings. On the evidence so far and with only a week left we cannot just wait fingers crossed, you have to act. I am not writing off any new player and will support the team to my last breath but we need decisive leadership not just hoping for the best. We need someone to put the ball in the back of the net and we need them now.[/p][/quote]I agree, you don't get much time in this league. The worst thing that can happen is to find ourselves in the bottom three by the end of September as the fixtures start getting harder after that and the players confidence will have dropped making it difficult for the new players to settle. I have watched the Bayer Lev, Liverpool & West Brom games:- Tadic already looks as though he is improving, although concerned that he 'disappeared' at times on Saturday. Forster looked good and Bertrand has done OK. Not seen enough of Taider yet. Isgrove is a busy tricky player but is lightweight & no end product. It is up front that is a concern Long is what he is, an average front man option and cover, as he has shown at his previous clubs. He was over-priced but we may get more from him if he was played up front rather than wide. Pelle is a big concern because his basics were not good for an experienced 29yr old. In three games he has shown that he does not win many headers for a big man, those he does are miss-placed. He does not hold the ball up well and his lay-off were poor. However he has not had any service in the box so we need to do that to decide if he proves to be a Premiership or a Championship player. Must buy a Winger, CB, & proven Goalscorer this week, it will be a long wait until January. Come on Les, get these players in next 6 days. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 6

11:11am Mon 25 Aug 14

hedge end bob says...

Agree with the first post 100%, but surely the club should of brought all the new players in before or during pre season ??.
I think we will settle into a good premier side and finish top ten. Any fan jeering his own players at any time throughout a game or season is not helping club or player . Keep the faith, forget about breaking into the top four. If we can not help the club by leaving EMPTY SEATS AT HOME GAMES how are they going to bring in the players needed to compete with the big clubs?? Not being a NEGGIE or a CLAPPER just looking at facts.
Agree with the first post 100%, but surely the club should of brought all the new players in before or during pre season ??. I think we will settle into a good premier side and finish top ten. Any fan jeering his own players at any time throughout a game or season is not helping club or player . Keep the faith, forget about breaking into the top four. If we can not help the club by leaving EMPTY SEATS AT HOME GAMES how are they going to bring in the players needed to compete with the big clubs?? Not being a NEGGIE or a CLAPPER just looking at facts. hedge end bob
  • Score: 6

11:11am Mon 25 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

jls217 wrote:
These sage words were cut and pasted from a blog supplied by a septic fan sunning himself in California who seems to have a better grasp than many of those who turn up week in week out. IMHO - naturally.

The reaction to Saturday’s draw has left me somewhat confused. On the various forums devoted to Southampton FC, many alleged fans of the team have already decided the season is a disaster and Pelle is the worst thing since unsliced bread. This seems to miss the point of being a fan.

Although I have only been a fan since 2010, I want Southampton FC to play well, win games, and provide entertainment. Now that I am writing a blog about the team, I also want the club to generate interesting subjects for discussion. Generally, this means that I support the team. This does not mean mindless—the team is always right—total support, but it does mean approaching events with an optimistic attitude. When I analyze some aspect of Southampton FC, I will let the chips fall where they may. I will not slant my analysis to favor the club or begin the analysis already knowing my result. But no matter what I conclude, I will always hope that things will go well, that the team will win games, and that the team will improve.

Of course, sitting at my computer in San Luis Obispo, California, there is not much I can do that is directly helpful and supportive. The situation is different for fans living in Southampton. This brings me to my primary question: What useful purpose is served by making a scapegoat out of Pelle or any other Southampton player? Does anyone really think that if the fans harass and mock him, he will play better? Given this past summer where we were all disappointed by the level of loyalty shown by some of our player wouldn’t it be a good idea to try to start things out on the right foot with the newer players by making them feel welcome and wanted?
Think back to this moment: (https://www.youtube

.com/watch?v=YfZlkEt

aAjA and http://www.dailyecho

.co.uk/sport/1096448

7.Guly_penalty_prove

s_team_spirit_is_str

ong___Perez/ ) Does that not suggest that suggest that, despite the extreme hostility towards Guly demonstrated by many fans, Guly was popular with his teammates? Maybe they would have felt more loyalty to our team if their friend and fellow player had been better treated by the fans?

The same is true of the treatment of Katharina Liebherr. After the first few player sales had occurred, it was certainly theoretically possible that she was asset stripping the club. Yet, the board members all said that was not what was happening and, however, this season turns out, they were telling the truth. Yet, appalling comments about her gender and appearance were not uncommon on the various forums. I have seen few, if any, apologies either for the personal attacks or the misguided accusations.

I assume that someone at the club keeps up with what is said about the club online—if nothing else, it might help them figure out if anyone is leaking information they shouldn’t. Does anyone really think that our team’s owner will do more for the club if she hears that many fans have gratuitously insulted her and accused her and her handpicked board members of being incompetent, evil liars? Hopefully, the insults will not affect her at all, but what is the point of making them? And don’t tell me it is just a way of blowing off steam with some harmless banter.

Some people have claimed that last year’s team would have won Saturday’s game by 3 or 4 goals. Given that we only won three league games last year by three goals, this seems unlikely. If anything, the first two games have raised a strong sense of déjà vu. In Liverpool, we outplayed the other side for much of the game, but missed our chances and dropped points. Against West Brom, we dominated possession but failed to turn that possession into goals and dropped points. Those results are entirely typical of last year. By my count, there were twelve games last year we should have drawn or won but instead lost or drew—dropping 24 total points. Of course, all team drop points, but I don’t see the performances this year as being out of line with the performances from last year. This might change if we lose our next two games, but even if that happens it hardly means we are doomed to relegation.

There are legitimate questions to be asked about the current team and management and I am sure we would all like a chance to ask them and get some answers. But that probably won’t happen. In time, many of the answers will become clear, but in the meanwhile there is simply nothing to be gained by holding a negative attitude. On paper our team is one of the ten best teams in the league. Financially, our team is one of the six or seven strongest in the league. Our manager has a good track record—I certainly would not trade him for the managers of most other BPL teams. The dream we all had—that last year’s team would progress and reach the Champions League—is gone, but it was probably not a realistic dream in the first place. (http://redsloscf.bl

ogspot.com/2014/08/h

ow-close-were-we.htm

l ) Instead, we should enjoy what we have now, which is a lot more than what Southampton FC fans had five years ago, and more than most fans now have in their local clubs. If nothing else you can look at the situation of your beloved neighbors to see how much worse things could be.
Seems a reasonable opinion to me, as soon as jls217 posted it, someone gave it a thumbs down, someone, who is obviously not a genuine poster on this site, and I suspect, will do the same as soon as it sees my name in the sign on header. It is sad that we have this kind of person using the thread for the wrong reason, probably the same one/s that have been abusive towards our owner.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: These sage words were cut and pasted from a blog supplied by a septic fan sunning himself in California who seems to have a better grasp than many of those who turn up week in week out. IMHO - naturally. The reaction to Saturday’s draw has left me somewhat confused. On the various forums devoted to Southampton FC, many alleged fans of the team have already decided the season is a disaster and Pelle is the worst thing since unsliced bread. This seems to miss the point of being a fan. Although I have only been a fan since 2010, I want Southampton FC to play well, win games, and provide entertainment. Now that I am writing a blog about the team, I also want the club to generate interesting subjects for discussion. Generally, this means that I support the team. This does not mean mindless—the team is always right—total support, but it does mean approaching events with an optimistic attitude. When I analyze some aspect of Southampton FC, I will let the chips fall where they may. I will not slant my analysis to favor the club or begin the analysis already knowing my result. But no matter what I conclude, I will always hope that things will go well, that the team will win games, and that the team will improve. Of course, sitting at my computer in San Luis Obispo, California, there is not much I can do that is directly helpful and supportive. The situation is different for fans living in Southampton. This brings me to my primary question: What useful purpose is served by making a scapegoat out of Pelle or any other Southampton player? Does anyone really think that if the fans harass and mock him, he will play better? Given this past summer where we were all disappointed by the level of loyalty shown by some of our player wouldn’t it be a good idea to try to start things out on the right foot with the newer players by making them feel welcome and wanted? Think back to this moment: (https://www.youtube .com/watch?v=YfZlkEt aAjA and http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/sport/1096448 7.Guly_penalty_prove s_team_spirit_is_str ong___Perez/ ) Does that not suggest that suggest that, despite the extreme hostility towards Guly demonstrated by many fans, Guly was popular with his teammates? Maybe they would have felt more loyalty to our team if their friend and fellow player had been better treated by the fans? The same is true of the treatment of Katharina Liebherr. After the first few player sales had occurred, it was certainly theoretically possible that she was asset stripping the club. Yet, the board members all said that was not what was happening and, however, this season turns out, they were telling the truth. Yet, appalling comments about her gender and appearance were not uncommon on the various forums. I have seen few, if any, apologies either for the personal attacks or the misguided accusations. I assume that someone at the club keeps up with what is said about the club online—if nothing else, it might help them figure out if anyone is leaking information they shouldn’t. Does anyone really think that our team’s owner will do more for the club if she hears that many fans have gratuitously insulted her and accused her and her handpicked board members of being incompetent, evil liars? Hopefully, the insults will not affect her at all, but what is the point of making them? And don’t tell me it is just a way of blowing off steam with some harmless banter. Some people have claimed that last year’s team would have won Saturday’s game by 3 or 4 goals. Given that we only won three league games last year by three goals, this seems unlikely. If anything, the first two games have raised a strong sense of déjà vu. In Liverpool, we outplayed the other side for much of the game, but missed our chances and dropped points. Against West Brom, we dominated possession but failed to turn that possession into goals and dropped points. Those results are entirely typical of last year. By my count, there were twelve games last year we should have drawn or won but instead lost or drew—dropping 24 total points. Of course, all team drop points, but I don’t see the performances this year as being out of line with the performances from last year. This might change if we lose our next two games, but even if that happens it hardly means we are doomed to relegation. There are legitimate questions to be asked about the current team and management and I am sure we would all like a chance to ask them and get some answers. But that probably won’t happen. In time, many of the answers will become clear, but in the meanwhile there is simply nothing to be gained by holding a negative attitude. On paper our team is one of the ten best teams in the league. Financially, our team is one of the six or seven strongest in the league. Our manager has a good track record—I certainly would not trade him for the managers of most other BPL teams. The dream we all had—that last year’s team would progress and reach the Champions League—is gone, but it was probably not a realistic dream in the first place. (http://redsloscf.bl ogspot.com/2014/08/h ow-close-were-we.htm l ) Instead, we should enjoy what we have now, which is a lot more than what Southampton FC fans had five years ago, and more than most fans now have in their local clubs. If nothing else you can look at the situation of your beloved neighbors to see how much worse things could be.[/p][/quote]Seems a reasonable opinion to me, as soon as jls217 posted it, someone gave it a thumbs down, someone, who is obviously not a genuine poster on this site, and I suspect, will do the same as soon as it sees my name in the sign on header. It is sad that we have this kind of person using the thread for the wrong reason, probably the same one/s that have been abusive towards our owner. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:27am Mon 25 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

hedge end bob wrote:
Agree with the first post 100%, but surely the club should of brought all the new players in before or during pre season ??.
I think we will settle into a good premier side and finish top ten. Any fan jeering his own players at any time throughout a game or season is not helping club or player . Keep the faith, forget about breaking into the top four. If we can not help the club by leaving EMPTY SEATS AT HOME GAMES how are they going to bring in the players needed to compete with the big clubs?? Not being a NEGGIE or a CLAPPER just looking at facts.
It would have been great to have got all of our signings in early doors, sadly that is easier said than done, several of the players that we had clocked up as possibles, have shown their true colours and we have had a couple of lucky escapes. Posters have the right to be critical, if they think that the players aren't performing or are simply not good enough, however a word of caution, there are disingenuous posters that are keen to manipulate feelings within the readership for the wrong reasons. No good will ever come from vilifying individual players. If they are wearing our shirt, it is our duty to back them, to encourage them to do better for us, a lot about a player is in his confidence, a goal or two for Pelle for instance, however they came, could make a massive difference in how he performs in the future. Remember how JRod was treated before he scored a few. I don't see many admitting they got that wrong. Empty seats would be full if there was a something to encourage people to return, and newcomers to realise that there was something good for them to participate in. It has to be earned, there is no on/off switch for success.
The situation is very finely balanced at the moment and could go either way, but as a supporter you can influence it by being positive at all times, negativity can soon roller coaster and bring the house down, you have the choice on how to go about it, a "told you so" attitude is not the way to go.
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Agree with the first post 100%, but surely the club should of brought all the new players in before or during pre season ??. I think we will settle into a good premier side and finish top ten. Any fan jeering his own players at any time throughout a game or season is not helping club or player . Keep the faith, forget about breaking into the top four. If we can not help the club by leaving EMPTY SEATS AT HOME GAMES how are they going to bring in the players needed to compete with the big clubs?? Not being a NEGGIE or a CLAPPER just looking at facts.[/p][/quote]It would have been great to have got all of our signings in early doors, sadly that is easier said than done, several of the players that we had clocked up as possibles, have shown their true colours and we have had a couple of lucky escapes. Posters have the right to be critical, if they think that the players aren't performing or are simply not good enough, however a word of caution, there are disingenuous posters that are keen to manipulate feelings within the readership for the wrong reasons. No good will ever come from vilifying individual players. If they are wearing our shirt, it is our duty to back them, to encourage them to do better for us, a lot about a player is in his confidence, a goal or two for Pelle for instance, however they came, could make a massive difference in how he performs in the future. Remember how JRod was treated before he scored a few. I don't see many admitting they got that wrong. Empty seats would be full if there was a something to encourage people to return, and newcomers to realise that there was something good for them to participate in. It has to be earned, there is no on/off switch for success. The situation is very finely balanced at the moment and could go either way, but as a supporter you can influence it by being positive at all times, negativity can soon roller coaster and bring the house down, you have the choice on how to go about it, a "told you so" attitude is not the way to go. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

11:51am Mon 25 Aug 14

Saintsayer II says...

We won when we wore red shirts Get rid of the stripes
We won when we wore red shirts Get rid of the stripes Saintsayer II
  • Score: 0

12:07pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Chipmonk1 says...

jls217 wrote:
These sage words were cut and pasted from a blog supplied by a septic fan sunning himself in California who seems to have a better grasp than many of those who turn up week in week out. IMHO - naturally.

The reaction to Saturday’s draw has left me somewhat confused. On the various forums devoted to Southampton FC, many alleged fans of the team have already decided the season is a disaster and Pelle is the worst thing since unsliced bread. This seems to miss the point of being a fan.

Although I have only been a fan since 2010, I want Southampton FC to play well, win games, and provide entertainment. Now that I am writing a blog about the team, I also want the club to generate interesting subjects for discussion. Generally, this means that I support the team. This does not mean mindless—the team is always right—total support, but it does mean approaching events with an optimistic attitude. When I analyze some aspect of Southampton FC, I will let the chips fall where they may. I will not slant my analysis to favor the club or begin the analysis already knowing my result. But no matter what I conclude, I will always hope that things will go well, that the team will win games, and that the team will improve.

Of course, sitting at my computer in San Luis Obispo, California, there is not much I can do that is directly helpful and supportive. The situation is different for fans living in Southampton. This brings me to my primary question: What useful purpose is served by making a scapegoat out of Pelle or any other Southampton player? Does anyone really think that if the fans harass and mock him, he will play better? Given this past summer where we were all disappointed by the level of loyalty shown by some of our player wouldn’t it be a good idea to try to start things out on the right foot with the newer players by making them feel welcome and wanted?
Think back to this moment: (https://www.youtube

.com/watch?v=YfZlkEt

aAjA and http://www.dailyecho

.co.uk/sport/1096448

7.Guly_penalty_prove

s_team_spirit_is_str

ong___Perez/ ) Does that not suggest that suggest that, despite the extreme hostility towards Guly demonstrated by many fans, Guly was popular with his teammates? Maybe they would have felt more loyalty to our team if their friend and fellow player had been better treated by the fans?

The same is true of the treatment of Katharina Liebherr. After the first few player sales had occurred, it was certainly theoretically possible that she was asset stripping the club. Yet, the board members all said that was not what was happening and, however, this season turns out, they were telling the truth. Yet, appalling comments about her gender and appearance were not uncommon on the various forums. I have seen few, if any, apologies either for the personal attacks or the misguided accusations.

I assume that someone at the club keeps up with what is said about the club online—if nothing else, it might help them figure out if anyone is leaking information they shouldn’t. Does anyone really think that our team’s owner will do more for the club if she hears that many fans have gratuitously insulted her and accused her and her handpicked board members of being incompetent, evil liars? Hopefully, the insults will not affect her at all, but what is the point of making them? And don’t tell me it is just a way of blowing off steam with some harmless banter.

Some people have claimed that last year’s team would have won Saturday’s game by 3 or 4 goals. Given that we only won three league games last year by three goals, this seems unlikely. If anything, the first two games have raised a strong sense of déjà vu. In Liverpool, we outplayed the other side for much of the game, but missed our chances and dropped points. Against West Brom, we dominated possession but failed to turn that possession into goals and dropped points. Those results are entirely typical of last year. By my count, there were twelve games last year we should have drawn or won but instead lost or drew—dropping 24 total points. Of course, all team drop points, but I don’t see the performances this year as being out of line with the performances from last year. This might change if we lose our next two games, but even if that happens it hardly means we are doomed to relegation.

There are legitimate questions to be asked about the current team and management and I am sure we would all like a chance to ask them and get some answers. But that probably won’t happen. In time, many of the answers will become clear, but in the meanwhile there is simply nothing to be gained by holding a negative attitude. On paper our team is one of the ten best teams in the league. Financially, our team is one of the six or seven strongest in the league. Our manager has a good track record—I certainly would not trade him for the managers of most other BPL teams. The dream we all had—that last year’s team would progress and reach the Champions League—is gone, but it was probably not a realistic dream in the first place. (http://redsloscf.bl

ogspot.com/2014/08/h

ow-close-were-we.htm

l ) Instead, we should enjoy what we have now, which is a lot more than what Southampton FC fans had five years ago, and more than most fans now have in their local clubs. If nothing else you can look at the situation of your beloved neighbors to see how much worse things could be.
I know these are borrowed words jls but thank you for posting this. The part of the blog that resonates most is the idea of "supporting" your team. Can we please refrain from condemning and worse still booing our own players and have faith that the gaffer can see more than us and do what is right for the club. I distinctly remember watching a few dire games last season too. It's a compliment to Saints that so many teams come to St Marys hoping for and playing for a draw.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: These sage words were cut and pasted from a blog supplied by a septic fan sunning himself in California who seems to have a better grasp than many of those who turn up week in week out. IMHO - naturally. The reaction to Saturday’s draw has left me somewhat confused. On the various forums devoted to Southampton FC, many alleged fans of the team have already decided the season is a disaster and Pelle is the worst thing since unsliced bread. This seems to miss the point of being a fan. Although I have only been a fan since 2010, I want Southampton FC to play well, win games, and provide entertainment. Now that I am writing a blog about the team, I also want the club to generate interesting subjects for discussion. Generally, this means that I support the team. This does not mean mindless—the team is always right—total support, but it does mean approaching events with an optimistic attitude. When I analyze some aspect of Southampton FC, I will let the chips fall where they may. I will not slant my analysis to favor the club or begin the analysis already knowing my result. But no matter what I conclude, I will always hope that things will go well, that the team will win games, and that the team will improve. Of course, sitting at my computer in San Luis Obispo, California, there is not much I can do that is directly helpful and supportive. The situation is different for fans living in Southampton. This brings me to my primary question: What useful purpose is served by making a scapegoat out of Pelle or any other Southampton player? Does anyone really think that if the fans harass and mock him, he will play better? Given this past summer where we were all disappointed by the level of loyalty shown by some of our player wouldn’t it be a good idea to try to start things out on the right foot with the newer players by making them feel welcome and wanted? Think back to this moment: (https://www.youtube .com/watch?v=YfZlkEt aAjA and http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/sport/1096448 7.Guly_penalty_prove s_team_spirit_is_str ong___Perez/ ) Does that not suggest that suggest that, despite the extreme hostility towards Guly demonstrated by many fans, Guly was popular with his teammates? Maybe they would have felt more loyalty to our team if their friend and fellow player had been better treated by the fans? The same is true of the treatment of Katharina Liebherr. After the first few player sales had occurred, it was certainly theoretically possible that she was asset stripping the club. Yet, the board members all said that was not what was happening and, however, this season turns out, they were telling the truth. Yet, appalling comments about her gender and appearance were not uncommon on the various forums. I have seen few, if any, apologies either for the personal attacks or the misguided accusations. I assume that someone at the club keeps up with what is said about the club online—if nothing else, it might help them figure out if anyone is leaking information they shouldn’t. Does anyone really think that our team’s owner will do more for the club if she hears that many fans have gratuitously insulted her and accused her and her handpicked board members of being incompetent, evil liars? Hopefully, the insults will not affect her at all, but what is the point of making them? And don’t tell me it is just a way of blowing off steam with some harmless banter. Some people have claimed that last year’s team would have won Saturday’s game by 3 or 4 goals. Given that we only won three league games last year by three goals, this seems unlikely. If anything, the first two games have raised a strong sense of déjà vu. In Liverpool, we outplayed the other side for much of the game, but missed our chances and dropped points. Against West Brom, we dominated possession but failed to turn that possession into goals and dropped points. Those results are entirely typical of last year. By my count, there were twelve games last year we should have drawn or won but instead lost or drew—dropping 24 total points. Of course, all team drop points, but I don’t see the performances this year as being out of line with the performances from last year. This might change if we lose our next two games, but even if that happens it hardly means we are doomed to relegation. There are legitimate questions to be asked about the current team and management and I am sure we would all like a chance to ask them and get some answers. But that probably won’t happen. In time, many of the answers will become clear, but in the meanwhile there is simply nothing to be gained by holding a negative attitude. On paper our team is one of the ten best teams in the league. Financially, our team is one of the six or seven strongest in the league. Our manager has a good track record—I certainly would not trade him for the managers of most other BPL teams. The dream we all had—that last year’s team would progress and reach the Champions League—is gone, but it was probably not a realistic dream in the first place. (http://redsloscf.bl ogspot.com/2014/08/h ow-close-were-we.htm l ) Instead, we should enjoy what we have now, which is a lot more than what Southampton FC fans had five years ago, and more than most fans now have in their local clubs. If nothing else you can look at the situation of your beloved neighbors to see how much worse things could be.[/p][/quote]I know these are borrowed words jls but thank you for posting this. The part of the blog that resonates most is the idea of "supporting" your team. Can we please refrain from condemning and worse still booing our own players and have faith that the gaffer can see more than us and do what is right for the club. I distinctly remember watching a few dire games last season too. It's a compliment to Saints that so many teams come to St Marys hoping for and playing for a draw. Chipmonk1
  • Score: 0

12:08pm Mon 25 Aug 14

saints fan #1 says...

I feel everyone is too quick to criticize.
Remember we are only TWO games in.
The Manager is new, who hasn't even inherited a team who would know how to play with each other if they were managerless. Good RK has to mantle a team, get to know their strengths and weaknesses, check players that are linking. The first thing to sort out a problem is to recognize it and he has done that (Tempo). What ever the results in the first five games we need to be right behind the team and the players. do not forget most are new to each other. They need to find their feet. We needed to hit the ground running but it doesn't seem like that but the thing i'm sure of is when this team find their feet and Gel. We will be awesome. So please be behind the team and the manager give them time. At least five games. COYRW
I feel everyone is too quick to criticize. Remember we are only TWO games in. The Manager is new, who hasn't even inherited a team who would know how to play with each other if they were managerless. Good RK has to mantle a team, get to know their strengths and weaknesses, check players that are linking. The first thing to sort out a problem is to recognize it and he has done that (Tempo). What ever the results in the first five games we need to be right behind the team and the players. do not forget most are new to each other. They need to find their feet. We needed to hit the ground running but it doesn't seem like that but the thing i'm sure of is when this team find their feet and Gel. We will be awesome. So please be behind the team and the manager give them time. At least five games. COYRW saints fan #1
  • Score: 8

12:08pm Mon 25 Aug 14

jls217 says...

hedge end bob wrote:
Agree with the first post 100%, but surely the club should of brought all the new players in before or during pre season ??.
I think we will settle into a good premier side and finish top ten. Any fan jeering his own players at any time throughout a game or season is not helping club or player . Keep the faith, forget about breaking into the top four. If we can not help the club by leaving EMPTY SEATS AT HOME GAMES how are they going to bring in the players needed to compete with the big clubs?? Not being a NEGGIE or a CLAPPER just looking at facts.
If we had a manager we might have been able to do that Hedge End but for too long we didn't have one and there were freebies to be had in those early days. Transfers can take time and there is no point looking at how quickly ours were sold as most of the negotiations between club and player were done long before the official transfers took place - the agents and the clubs had made sure of this. Our transfers in firstly had to be convinced this was where they wanted to come. How much convincing did Lovren take? Liarllana had agreed his wages with Skiverpool months beforehand alledgedly.
Keeping the faith is sometimes what it takes mate - there are those who just want to rant and rage rather than put their bum into a seat and buy a programme and a pie.
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Agree with the first post 100%, but surely the club should of brought all the new players in before or during pre season ??. I think we will settle into a good premier side and finish top ten. Any fan jeering his own players at any time throughout a game or season is not helping club or player . Keep the faith, forget about breaking into the top four. If we can not help the club by leaving EMPTY SEATS AT HOME GAMES how are they going to bring in the players needed to compete with the big clubs?? Not being a NEGGIE or a CLAPPER just looking at facts.[/p][/quote]If we had a manager we might have been able to do that Hedge End but for too long we didn't have one and there were freebies to be had in those early days. Transfers can take time and there is no point looking at how quickly ours were sold as most of the negotiations between club and player were done long before the official transfers took place - the agents and the clubs had made sure of this. Our transfers in firstly had to be convinced this was where they wanted to come. How much convincing did Lovren take? Liarllana had agreed his wages with Skiverpool months beforehand alledgedly. Keeping the faith is sometimes what it takes mate - there are those who just want to rant and rage rather than put their bum into a seat and buy a programme and a pie. jls217
  • Score: -5

12:16pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Velleity says...

I blame Guly
I blame Guly Velleity
  • Score: 5

12:16pm Mon 25 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
Agree with the first post 100%, but surely the club should of brought all the new players in before or during pre season ??.
I think we will settle into a good premier side and finish top ten. Any fan jeering his own players at any time throughout a game or season is not helping club or player . Keep the faith, forget about breaking into the top four. If we can not help the club by leaving EMPTY SEATS AT HOME GAMES how are they going to bring in the players needed to compete with the big clubs?? Not being a NEGGIE or a CLAPPER just looking at facts.
It would have been great to have got all of our signings in early doors, sadly that is easier said than done, several of the players that we had clocked up as possibles, have shown their true colours and we have had a couple of lucky escapes. Posters have the right to be critical, if they think that the players aren't performing or are simply not good enough, however a word of caution, there are disingenuous posters that are keen to manipulate feelings within the readership for the wrong reasons. No good will ever come from vilifying individual players. If they are wearing our shirt, it is our duty to back them, to encourage them to do better for us, a lot about a player is in his confidence, a goal or two for Pelle for instance, however they came, could make a massive difference in how he performs in the future. Remember how JRod was treated before he scored a few. I don't see many admitting they got that wrong. Empty seats would be full if there was a something to encourage people to return, and newcomers to realise that there was something good for them to participate in. It has to be earned, there is no on/off switch for success.
The situation is very finely balanced at the moment and could go either way, but as a supporter you can influence it by being positive at all times, negativity can soon roller coaster and bring the house down, you have the choice on how to go about it, a "told you so" attitude is not the way to go.
We'll be fine. Funny thing is that people seemed to be realistic that things would take time to settle and that we'd be looking at a season of re-building, but one poor performance and some jump on the team, tactics and individuals.

Fans need to just focus on us to start with and not get wound up looking at Spurs or anyone else - this is about the Saints and we all knew this would take time, so let's give them time.

One thing that puts things into context when people criticise certain new players is the performance thus far of all likely alternatives we were linked with or let go:

Caulker - who many wanted - isn't off to the best of starts, Wickham hasn't scored, Hernandez hasn't scored, Bony hasn't scored, Adam and Luke injured, Rickie hasn't scored and has missed a penalty.

Basically - if you look at players we viably could have had as alternatives, none of them have set the world alight in the first two games.

Patience please. The positive for me is that our defence is looking reasonably solid and teams with solid defences tend not to struggle too badly.

We're rebuilding and everyone knows that the most sensible way to rebuild is with strong foundations.

One absolutely obvious fact though is that clearly the players will settle better if they know they have our full support.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Agree with the first post 100%, but surely the club should of brought all the new players in before or during pre season ??. I think we will settle into a good premier side and finish top ten. Any fan jeering his own players at any time throughout a game or season is not helping club or player . Keep the faith, forget about breaking into the top four. If we can not help the club by leaving EMPTY SEATS AT HOME GAMES how are they going to bring in the players needed to compete with the big clubs?? Not being a NEGGIE or a CLAPPER just looking at facts.[/p][/quote]It would have been great to have got all of our signings in early doors, sadly that is easier said than done, several of the players that we had clocked up as possibles, have shown their true colours and we have had a couple of lucky escapes. Posters have the right to be critical, if they think that the players aren't performing or are simply not good enough, however a word of caution, there are disingenuous posters that are keen to manipulate feelings within the readership for the wrong reasons. No good will ever come from vilifying individual players. If they are wearing our shirt, it is our duty to back them, to encourage them to do better for us, a lot about a player is in his confidence, a goal or two for Pelle for instance, however they came, could make a massive difference in how he performs in the future. Remember how JRod was treated before he scored a few. I don't see many admitting they got that wrong. Empty seats would be full if there was a something to encourage people to return, and newcomers to realise that there was something good for them to participate in. It has to be earned, there is no on/off switch for success. The situation is very finely balanced at the moment and could go either way, but as a supporter you can influence it by being positive at all times, negativity can soon roller coaster and bring the house down, you have the choice on how to go about it, a "told you so" attitude is not the way to go.[/p][/quote]We'll be fine. Funny thing is that people seemed to be realistic that things would take time to settle and that we'd be looking at a season of re-building, but one poor performance and some jump on the team, tactics and individuals. Fans need to just focus on us to start with and not get wound up looking at Spurs or anyone else - this is about the Saints and we all knew this would take time, so let's give them time. One thing that puts things into context when people criticise certain new players is the performance thus far of all likely alternatives we were linked with or let go: Caulker - who many wanted - isn't off to the best of starts, Wickham hasn't scored, Hernandez hasn't scored, Bony hasn't scored, Adam and Luke injured, Rickie hasn't scored and has missed a penalty. Basically - if you look at players we viably could have had as alternatives, none of them have set the world alight in the first two games. Patience please. The positive for me is that our defence is looking reasonably solid and teams with solid defences tend not to struggle too badly. We're rebuilding and everyone knows that the most sensible way to rebuild is with strong foundations. One absolutely obvious fact though is that clearly the players will settle better if they know they have our full support. SaintJD
  • Score: 11

12:25pm Mon 25 Aug 14

saintmicky says...

SaintJD wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
Agree with the first post 100%, but surely the club should of brought all the new players in before or during pre season ??.
I think we will settle into a good premier side and finish top ten. Any fan jeering his own players at any time throughout a game or season is not helping club or player . Keep the faith, forget about breaking into the top four. If we can not help the club by leaving EMPTY SEATS AT HOME GAMES how are they going to bring in the players needed to compete with the big clubs?? Not being a NEGGIE or a CLAPPER just looking at facts.
It would have been great to have got all of our signings in early doors, sadly that is easier said than done, several of the players that we had clocked up as possibles, have shown their true colours and we have had a couple of lucky escapes. Posters have the right to be critical, if they think that the players aren't performing or are simply not good enough, however a word of caution, there are disingenuous posters that are keen to manipulate feelings within the readership for the wrong reasons. No good will ever come from vilifying individual players. If they are wearing our shirt, it is our duty to back them, to encourage them to do better for us, a lot about a player is in his confidence, a goal or two for Pelle for instance, however they came, could make a massive difference in how he performs in the future. Remember how JRod was treated before he scored a few. I don't see many admitting they got that wrong. Empty seats would be full if there was a something to encourage people to return, and newcomers to realise that there was something good for them to participate in. It has to be earned, there is no on/off switch for success.
The situation is very finely balanced at the moment and could go either way, but as a supporter you can influence it by being positive at all times, negativity can soon roller coaster and bring the house down, you have the choice on how to go about it, a "told you so" attitude is not the way to go.
We'll be fine. Funny thing is that people seemed to be realistic that things would take time to settle and that we'd be looking at a season of re-building, but one poor performance and some jump on the team, tactics and individuals.

Fans need to just focus on us to start with and not get wound up looking at Spurs or anyone else - this is about the Saints and we all knew this would take time, so let's give them time.

One thing that puts things into context when people criticise certain new players is the performance thus far of all likely alternatives we were linked with or let go:

Caulker - who many wanted - isn't off to the best of starts, Wickham hasn't scored, Hernandez hasn't scored, Bony hasn't scored, Adam and Luke injured, Rickie hasn't scored and has missed a penalty.

Basically - if you look at players we viably could have had as alternatives, none of them have set the world alight in the first two games.

Patience please. The positive for me is that our defence is looking reasonably solid and teams with solid defences tend not to struggle too badly.

We're rebuilding and everyone knows that the most sensible way to rebuild is with strong foundations.

One absolutely obvious fact though is that clearly the players will settle better if they know they have our full support.
Guilty as charged; Don't like long ball football, don't enjoy watching teams that lack pace, but most of all just upset by 85% attendance at the first home game of the season, I'll take some happy pills and comment again when they kick in ;-)
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Agree with the first post 100%, but surely the club should of brought all the new players in before or during pre season ??. I think we will settle into a good premier side and finish top ten. Any fan jeering his own players at any time throughout a game or season is not helping club or player . Keep the faith, forget about breaking into the top four. If we can not help the club by leaving EMPTY SEATS AT HOME GAMES how are they going to bring in the players needed to compete with the big clubs?? Not being a NEGGIE or a CLAPPER just looking at facts.[/p][/quote]It would have been great to have got all of our signings in early doors, sadly that is easier said than done, several of the players that we had clocked up as possibles, have shown their true colours and we have had a couple of lucky escapes. Posters have the right to be critical, if they think that the players aren't performing or are simply not good enough, however a word of caution, there are disingenuous posters that are keen to manipulate feelings within the readership for the wrong reasons. No good will ever come from vilifying individual players. If they are wearing our shirt, it is our duty to back them, to encourage them to do better for us, a lot about a player is in his confidence, a goal or two for Pelle for instance, however they came, could make a massive difference in how he performs in the future. Remember how JRod was treated before he scored a few. I don't see many admitting they got that wrong. Empty seats would be full if there was a something to encourage people to return, and newcomers to realise that there was something good for them to participate in. It has to be earned, there is no on/off switch for success. The situation is very finely balanced at the moment and could go either way, but as a supporter you can influence it by being positive at all times, negativity can soon roller coaster and bring the house down, you have the choice on how to go about it, a "told you so" attitude is not the way to go.[/p][/quote]We'll be fine. Funny thing is that people seemed to be realistic that things would take time to settle and that we'd be looking at a season of re-building, but one poor performance and some jump on the team, tactics and individuals. Fans need to just focus on us to start with and not get wound up looking at Spurs or anyone else - this is about the Saints and we all knew this would take time, so let's give them time. One thing that puts things into context when people criticise certain new players is the performance thus far of all likely alternatives we were linked with or let go: Caulker - who many wanted - isn't off to the best of starts, Wickham hasn't scored, Hernandez hasn't scored, Bony hasn't scored, Adam and Luke injured, Rickie hasn't scored and has missed a penalty. Basically - if you look at players we viably could have had as alternatives, none of them have set the world alight in the first two games. Patience please. The positive for me is that our defence is looking reasonably solid and teams with solid defences tend not to struggle too badly. We're rebuilding and everyone knows that the most sensible way to rebuild is with strong foundations. One absolutely obvious fact though is that clearly the players will settle better if they know they have our full support.[/p][/quote]Guilty as charged; Don't like long ball football, don't enjoy watching teams that lack pace, but most of all just upset by 85% attendance at the first home game of the season, I'll take some happy pills and comment again when they kick in ;-) saintmicky
  • Score: 9

12:29pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

We've played a top team,and a solid team so far,and we haven't been outclassed or made to look second best in either game.We've kept a clean sheet,and got a point on the board..where's the problem?
We've played a top team,and a solid team so far,and we haven't been outclassed or made to look second best in either game.We've kept a clean sheet,and got a point on the board..where's the problem? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

12:59pm Mon 25 Aug 14

notaclue says...

With foreign players coming in I would give them a season and a half to adapt, if they cant do it in that time then cut your losses. I believe both of these players have the potential to make it but my patience has unfortunately run out with Gaston. If he isnt performing by xmas sadly it will be time for him to move on.
With foreign players coming in I would give them a season and a half to adapt, if they cant do it in that time then cut your losses. I believe both of these players have the potential to make it but my patience has unfortunately run out with Gaston. If he isnt performing by xmas sadly it will be time for him to move on. notaclue
  • Score: 1

1:07pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

notaclue wrote:
With foreign players coming in I would give them a season and a half to adapt, if they cant do it in that time then cut your losses. I believe both of these players have the potential to make it but my patience has unfortunately run out with Gaston. If he isnt performing by xmas sadly it will be time for him to move on.
It took Rodriguez quite a while to settle in too. Do you think that might be because of his name?
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: With foreign players coming in I would give them a season and a half to adapt, if they cant do it in that time then cut your losses. I believe both of these players have the potential to make it but my patience has unfortunately run out with Gaston. If he isnt performing by xmas sadly it will be time for him to move on.[/p][/quote]It took Rodriguez quite a while to settle in too. Do you think that might be because of his name? Rising_Son
  • Score: -1

1:14pm Mon 25 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Velleity wrote:
I blame Guly
Yes, his demand to be given the opportunity to join Liverpool sure went wrong this time.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: I blame Guly[/p][/quote]Yes, his demand to be given the opportunity to join Liverpool sure went wrong this time. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

1:16pm Mon 25 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

saintmicky wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
Agree with the first post 100%, but surely the club should of brought all the new players in before or during pre season ??.
I think we will settle into a good premier side and finish top ten. Any fan jeering his own players at any time throughout a game or season is not helping club or player . Keep the faith, forget about breaking into the top four. If we can not help the club by leaving EMPTY SEATS AT HOME GAMES how are they going to bring in the players needed to compete with the big clubs?? Not being a NEGGIE or a CLAPPER just looking at facts.
It would have been great to have got all of our signings in early doors, sadly that is easier said than done, several of the players that we had clocked up as possibles, have shown their true colours and we have had a couple of lucky escapes. Posters have the right to be critical, if they think that the players aren't performing or are simply not good enough, however a word of caution, there are disingenuous posters that are keen to manipulate feelings within the readership for the wrong reasons. No good will ever come from vilifying individual players. If they are wearing our shirt, it is our duty to back them, to encourage them to do better for us, a lot about a player is in his confidence, a goal or two for Pelle for instance, however they came, could make a massive difference in how he performs in the future. Remember how JRod was treated before he scored a few. I don't see many admitting they got that wrong. Empty seats would be full if there was a something to encourage people to return, and newcomers to realise that there was something good for them to participate in. It has to be earned, there is no on/off switch for success.
The situation is very finely balanced at the moment and could go either way, but as a supporter you can influence it by being positive at all times, negativity can soon roller coaster and bring the house down, you have the choice on how to go about it, a "told you so" attitude is not the way to go.
We'll be fine. Funny thing is that people seemed to be realistic that things would take time to settle and that we'd be looking at a season of re-building, but one poor performance and some jump on the team, tactics and individuals.

Fans need to just focus on us to start with and not get wound up looking at Spurs or anyone else - this is about the Saints and we all knew this would take time, so let's give them time.

One thing that puts things into context when people criticise certain new players is the performance thus far of all likely alternatives we were linked with or let go:

Caulker - who many wanted - isn't off to the best of starts, Wickham hasn't scored, Hernandez hasn't scored, Bony hasn't scored, Adam and Luke injured, Rickie hasn't scored and has missed a penalty.

Basically - if you look at players we viably could have had as alternatives, none of them have set the world alight in the first two games.

Patience please. The positive for me is that our defence is looking reasonably solid and teams with solid defences tend not to struggle too badly.

We're rebuilding and everyone knows that the most sensible way to rebuild is with strong foundations.

One absolutely obvious fact though is that clearly the players will settle better if they know they have our full support.
Guilty as charged; Don't like long ball football, don't enjoy watching teams that lack pace, but most of all just upset by 85% attendance at the first home game of the season, I'll take some happy pills and comment again when they kick in ;-)
The 85% attendance problem isn't down to anyone on this web site, you are preaching to the converted, so basically wasting space.
[quote][p][bold]saintmicky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Agree with the first post 100%, but surely the club should of brought all the new players in before or during pre season ??. I think we will settle into a good premier side and finish top ten. Any fan jeering his own players at any time throughout a game or season is not helping club or player . Keep the faith, forget about breaking into the top four. If we can not help the club by leaving EMPTY SEATS AT HOME GAMES how are they going to bring in the players needed to compete with the big clubs?? Not being a NEGGIE or a CLAPPER just looking at facts.[/p][/quote]It would have been great to have got all of our signings in early doors, sadly that is easier said than done, several of the players that we had clocked up as possibles, have shown their true colours and we have had a couple of lucky escapes. Posters have the right to be critical, if they think that the players aren't performing or are simply not good enough, however a word of caution, there are disingenuous posters that are keen to manipulate feelings within the readership for the wrong reasons. No good will ever come from vilifying individual players. If they are wearing our shirt, it is our duty to back them, to encourage them to do better for us, a lot about a player is in his confidence, a goal or two for Pelle for instance, however they came, could make a massive difference in how he performs in the future. Remember how JRod was treated before he scored a few. I don't see many admitting they got that wrong. Empty seats would be full if there was a something to encourage people to return, and newcomers to realise that there was something good for them to participate in. It has to be earned, there is no on/off switch for success. The situation is very finely balanced at the moment and could go either way, but as a supporter you can influence it by being positive at all times, negativity can soon roller coaster and bring the house down, you have the choice on how to go about it, a "told you so" attitude is not the way to go.[/p][/quote]We'll be fine. Funny thing is that people seemed to be realistic that things would take time to settle and that we'd be looking at a season of re-building, but one poor performance and some jump on the team, tactics and individuals. Fans need to just focus on us to start with and not get wound up looking at Spurs or anyone else - this is about the Saints and we all knew this would take time, so let's give them time. One thing that puts things into context when people criticise certain new players is the performance thus far of all likely alternatives we were linked with or let go: Caulker - who many wanted - isn't off to the best of starts, Wickham hasn't scored, Hernandez hasn't scored, Bony hasn't scored, Adam and Luke injured, Rickie hasn't scored and has missed a penalty. Basically - if you look at players we viably could have had as alternatives, none of them have set the world alight in the first two games. Patience please. The positive for me is that our defence is looking reasonably solid and teams with solid defences tend not to struggle too badly. We're rebuilding and everyone knows that the most sensible way to rebuild is with strong foundations. One absolutely obvious fact though is that clearly the players will settle better if they know they have our full support.[/p][/quote]Guilty as charged; Don't like long ball football, don't enjoy watching teams that lack pace, but most of all just upset by 85% attendance at the first home game of the season, I'll take some happy pills and comment again when they kick in ;-)[/p][/quote]The 85% attendance problem isn't down to anyone on this web site, you are preaching to the converted, so basically wasting space. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

1:20pm Mon 25 Aug 14

StCally1983 says...

Once again St Mary's is populated by idiotic morons slating new signings after 2 games.
We've lost 6 of our first team from last season and people are expecting miracles.
Lambert up front on Saturday would've faired no better than Pelle, having to deal with long balls pumped up to him and being marked by 2 defenders constantly.
Shows the immaturity and stupidity of some of our supporters to slate players after such a short time.
The sarcastic people sarcastically cheering Pelle when he won a flick on was nothing short of a disgrace.
I hope you're proud of yourselves. if you spent more time getting behind our players than slagging them off then they'd probably settle in better knowing they have the full backing of their supporters.
Those of you who boo and slate, are morons
Once again St Mary's is populated by idiotic morons slating new signings after 2 games. We've lost 6 of our first team from last season and people are expecting miracles. Lambert up front on Saturday would've faired no better than Pelle, having to deal with long balls pumped up to him and being marked by 2 defenders constantly. Shows the immaturity and stupidity of some of our supporters to slate players after such a short time. The sarcastic people sarcastically cheering Pelle when he won a flick on was nothing short of a disgrace. I hope you're proud of yourselves. if you spent more time getting behind our players than slagging them off then they'd probably settle in better knowing they have the full backing of their supporters. Those of you who boo and slate, are morons StCally1983
  • Score: 8

2:38pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Churchill Saint says...

StCally1983 wrote:
Once again St Mary's is populated by idiotic morons slating new signings after 2 games.
We've lost 6 of our first team from last season and people are expecting miracles.
Lambert up front on Saturday would've faired no better than Pelle, having to deal with long balls pumped up to him and being marked by 2 defenders constantly.
Shows the immaturity and stupidity of some of our supporters to slate players after such a short time.
The sarcastic people sarcastically cheering Pelle when he won a flick on was nothing short of a disgrace.
I hope you're proud of yourselves. if you spent more time getting behind our players than slagging them off then they'd probably settle in better knowing they have the full backing of their supporters.
Those of you who boo and slate, are morons
you are absolutely right. However, whilst these morons are a tiny minority, they also shout loudest whether on the terraces or this forum. Yesterday on one thread the same moron rubbished Pelle 4 times (in between the expletives) and has totally written him off, even though the lad has only played 2 competitive games in a new team in a different league. Unbelievable. It would not surprise me if the same morons were the ones who boo their own players and pick on someone to blame, regardless (aka Guly). I just can't understand how they think this will positively motivate the player and help the team.
[quote][p][bold]StCally1983[/bold] wrote: Once again St Mary's is populated by idiotic morons slating new signings after 2 games. We've lost 6 of our first team from last season and people are expecting miracles. Lambert up front on Saturday would've faired no better than Pelle, having to deal with long balls pumped up to him and being marked by 2 defenders constantly. Shows the immaturity and stupidity of some of our supporters to slate players after such a short time. The sarcastic people sarcastically cheering Pelle when he won a flick on was nothing short of a disgrace. I hope you're proud of yourselves. if you spent more time getting behind our players than slagging them off then they'd probably settle in better knowing they have the full backing of their supporters. Those of you who boo and slate, are morons[/p][/quote]you are absolutely right. However, whilst these morons are a tiny minority, they also shout loudest whether on the terraces or this forum. Yesterday on one thread the same moron rubbished Pelle 4 times (in between the expletives) and has totally written him off, even though the lad has only played 2 competitive games in a new team in a different league. Unbelievable. It would not surprise me if the same morons were the ones who boo their own players and pick on someone to blame, regardless (aka Guly). I just can't understand how they think this will positively motivate the player and help the team. Churchill Saint
  • Score: 6

2:52pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

SNUGGLES 78 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
And the good news is that Spuds have turned down £12million for Townsend. We don't need to be spending that kind of money on a sicknote striker who gets very few goals. Can we move on now and try to get in somebody who actually excites the fans. Surely the supposed 20 people we have scouting the world for us can come up with someone better than this. And please don't go bac k in again with a better offer.It's only Levy throwing his toys out of the pram cos he can't have Spider.
Spurs are top of the league ,no need for relegation fodders cast offs ,another hiding coming up at wet spam saturday.
Top of the league after two games. Scraped a lucky extra time winner in your first game, followed by a home game against a very cr@p QPR... Look 7 or 8 places lower and you will find your end of season position. As for relegation fodders cast off, it,s the idiots at Spudhampton who are making the offers and it,s the Mighty Saints turning them down. You can't get Spider and it's hurting isn't it. Most Saints fans would say no thanks to Townsend and most third best team in London fans would say yes to Spider. Get used to being also rans, you deserve no better.
[quote][p][bold]SNUGGLES 78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: And the good news is that Spuds have turned down £12million for Townsend. We don't need to be spending that kind of money on a sicknote striker who gets very few goals. Can we move on now and try to get in somebody who actually excites the fans. Surely the supposed 20 people we have scouting the world for us can come up with someone better than this. And please don't go bac k in again with a better offer.It's only Levy throwing his toys out of the pram cos he can't have Spider.[/p][/quote]Spurs are top of the league ,no need for relegation fodders cast offs ,another hiding coming up at wet spam saturday.[/p][/quote]Top of the league after two games. Scraped a lucky extra time winner in your first game, followed by a home game against a very cr@p QPR... Look 7 or 8 places lower and you will find your end of season position. As for relegation fodders cast off, it,s the idiots at Spudhampton who are making the offers and it,s the Mighty Saints turning them down. You can't get Spider and it's hurting isn't it. Most Saints fans would say no thanks to Townsend and most third best team in London fans would say yes to Spider. Get used to being also rans, you deserve no better. Clever Dick
  • Score: 8

2:58pm Mon 25 Aug 14

sparky130a says...

I think some are looking at last season through rose tinted specs. We gave away a lot of points we shouldn't have and not every game was spectacular.

As for our start this season, an impressive away display and a dour goalless draw against a team with little ambition.

I bet most would have taken that a month and a bit ago when only the exit door was seeing any action.

We will improve and the team will become more cohesive. A couple more signings and we'll be fine. Proven goalscorer is the priority IMO. But is there one out there for sale..?
I think some are looking at last season through rose tinted specs. We gave away a lot of points we shouldn't have and not every game was spectacular. As for our start this season, an impressive away display and a dour goalless draw against a team with little ambition. I bet most would have taken that a month and a bit ago when only the exit door was seeing any action. We will improve and the team will become more cohesive. A couple more signings and we'll be fine. Proven goalscorer is the priority IMO. But is there one out there for sale..? sparky130a
  • Score: 4

3:23pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

sparky130a wrote:
I think some are looking at last season through rose tinted specs. We gave away a lot of points we shouldn't have and not every game was spectacular.

As for our start this season, an impressive away display and a dour goalless draw against a team with little ambition.

I bet most would have taken that a month and a bit ago when only the exit door was seeing any action.

We will improve and the team will become more cohesive. A couple more signings and we'll be fine. Proven goalscorer is the priority IMO. But is there one out there for sale..?
You are right about last seasons team. It needed strengthening with three players - CB, Keeper and Striker - to move forward from eighth by turning the massive possession into increased points.
[quote][p][bold]sparky130a[/bold] wrote: I think some are looking at last season through rose tinted specs. We gave away a lot of points we shouldn't have and not every game was spectacular. As for our start this season, an impressive away display and a dour goalless draw against a team with little ambition. I bet most would have taken that a month and a bit ago when only the exit door was seeing any action. We will improve and the team will become more cohesive. A couple more signings and we'll be fine. Proven goalscorer is the priority IMO. But is there one out there for sale..?[/p][/quote]You are right about last seasons team. It needed strengthening with three players - CB, Keeper and Striker - to move forward from eighth by turning the massive possession into increased points. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -5

4:49pm Mon 25 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
SNUGGLES 78 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
And the good news is that Spuds have turned down £12million for Townsend. We don't need to be spending that kind of money on a sicknote striker who gets very few goals. Can we move on now and try to get in somebody who actually excites the fans. Surely the supposed 20 people we have scouting the world for us can come up with someone better than this. And please don't go bac k in again with a better offer.It's only Levy throwing his toys out of the pram cos he can't have Spider.
Spurs are top of the league ,no need for relegation fodders cast offs ,another hiding coming up at wet spam saturday.
Top of the league after two games. Scraped a lucky extra time winner in your first game, followed by a home game against a very cr@p QPR... Look 7 or 8 places lower and you will find your end of season position. As for relegation fodders cast off, it,s the idiots at Spudhampton who are making the offers and it,s the Mighty Saints turning them down. You can't get Spider and it's hurting isn't it. Most Saints fans would say no thanks to Townsend and most third best team in London fans would say yes to Spider. Get used to being also rans, you deserve no better.
And a cr?p performance in the Europa cup to boot.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SNUGGLES 78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: And the good news is that Spuds have turned down £12million for Townsend. We don't need to be spending that kind of money on a sicknote striker who gets very few goals. Can we move on now and try to get in somebody who actually excites the fans. Surely the supposed 20 people we have scouting the world for us can come up with someone better than this. And please don't go bac k in again with a better offer.It's only Levy throwing his toys out of the pram cos he can't have Spider.[/p][/quote]Spurs are top of the league ,no need for relegation fodders cast offs ,another hiding coming up at wet spam saturday.[/p][/quote]Top of the league after two games. Scraped a lucky extra time winner in your first game, followed by a home game against a very cr@p QPR... Look 7 or 8 places lower and you will find your end of season position. As for relegation fodders cast off, it,s the idiots at Spudhampton who are making the offers and it,s the Mighty Saints turning them down. You can't get Spider and it's hurting isn't it. Most Saints fans would say no thanks to Townsend and most third best team in London fans would say yes to Spider. Get used to being also rans, you deserve no better.[/p][/quote]And a cr?p performance in the Europa cup to boot. fascia123
  • Score: 4

4:57pm Mon 25 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

jls217 wrote:
These sage words were cut and pasted from a blog supplied by a septic fan sunning himself in California who seems to have a better grasp than many of those who turn up week in week out. IMHO - naturally.

The reaction to Saturday’s draw has left me somewhat confused. On the various forums devoted to Southampton FC, many alleged fans of the team have already decided the season is a disaster and Pelle is the worst thing since unsliced bread. This seems to miss the point of being a fan.

Although I have only been a fan since 2010, I want Southampton FC to play well, win games, and provide entertainment. Now that I am writing a blog about the team, I also want the club to generate interesting subjects for discussion. Generally, this means that I support the team. This does not mean mindless—the team is always right—total support, but it does mean approaching events with an optimistic attitude. When I analyze some aspect of Southampton FC, I will let the chips fall where they may. I will not slant my analysis to favor the club or begin the analysis already knowing my result. But no matter what I conclude, I will always hope that things will go well, that the team will win games, and that the team will improve.

Of course, sitting at my computer in San Luis Obispo, California, there is not much I can do that is directly helpful and supportive. The situation is different for fans living in Southampton. This brings me to my primary question: What useful purpose is served by making a scapegoat out of Pelle or any other Southampton player? Does anyone really think that if the fans harass and mock him, he will play better? Given this past summer where we were all disappointed by the level of loyalty shown by some of our player wouldn’t it be a good idea to try to start things out on the right foot with the newer players by making them feel welcome and wanted?
Think back to this moment: (https://www.youtube

.com/watch?v=YfZlkEt

aAjA and http://www.dailyecho

.co.uk/sport/1096448

7.Guly_penalty_prove

s_team_spirit_is_str

ong___Perez/ ) Does that not suggest that suggest that, despite the extreme hostility towards Guly demonstrated by many fans, Guly was popular with his teammates? Maybe they would have felt more loyalty to our team if their friend and fellow player had been better treated by the fans?

The same is true of the treatment of Katharina Liebherr. After the first few player sales had occurred, it was certainly theoretically possible that she was asset stripping the club. Yet, the board members all said that was not what was happening and, however, this season turns out, they were telling the truth. Yet, appalling comments about her gender and appearance were not uncommon on the various forums. I have seen few, if any, apologies either for the personal attacks or the misguided accusations.

I assume that someone at the club keeps up with what is said about the club online—if nothing else, it might help them figure out if anyone is leaking information they shouldn’t. Does anyone really think that our team’s owner will do more for the club if she hears that many fans have gratuitously insulted her and accused her and her handpicked board members of being incompetent, evil liars? Hopefully, the insults will not affect her at all, but what is the point of making them? And don’t tell me it is just a way of blowing off steam with some harmless banter.

Some people have claimed that last year’s team would have won Saturday’s game by 3 or 4 goals. Given that we only won three league games last year by three goals, this seems unlikely. If anything, the first two games have raised a strong sense of déjà vu. In Liverpool, we outplayed the other side for much of the game, but missed our chances and dropped points. Against West Brom, we dominated possession but failed to turn that possession into goals and dropped points. Those results are entirely typical of last year. By my count, there were twelve games last year we should have drawn or won but instead lost or drew—dropping 24 total points. Of course, all team drop points, but I don’t see the performances this year as being out of line with the performances from last year. This might change if we lose our next two games, but even if that happens it hardly means we are doomed to relegation.

There are legitimate questions to be asked about the current team and management and I am sure we would all like a chance to ask them and get some answers. But that probably won’t happen. In time, many of the answers will become clear, but in the meanwhile there is simply nothing to be gained by holding a negative attitude. On paper our team is one of the ten best teams in the league. Financially, our team is one of the six or seven strongest in the league. Our manager has a good track record—I certainly would not trade him for the managers of most other BPL teams. The dream we all had—that last year’s team would progress and reach the Champions League—is gone, but it was probably not a realistic dream in the first place. (http://redsloscf.bl

ogspot.com/2014/08/h

ow-close-were-we.htm

l ) Instead, we should enjoy what we have now, which is a lot more than what Southampton FC fans had five years ago, and more than most fans now have in their local clubs. If nothing else you can look at the situation of your beloved neighbors to see how much worse things could be.
Wonderful post, couldn't of said anything better if I had tried.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: These sage words were cut and pasted from a blog supplied by a septic fan sunning himself in California who seems to have a better grasp than many of those who turn up week in week out. IMHO - naturally. The reaction to Saturday’s draw has left me somewhat confused. On the various forums devoted to Southampton FC, many alleged fans of the team have already decided the season is a disaster and Pelle is the worst thing since unsliced bread. This seems to miss the point of being a fan. Although I have only been a fan since 2010, I want Southampton FC to play well, win games, and provide entertainment. Now that I am writing a blog about the team, I also want the club to generate interesting subjects for discussion. Generally, this means that I support the team. This does not mean mindless—the team is always right—total support, but it does mean approaching events with an optimistic attitude. When I analyze some aspect of Southampton FC, I will let the chips fall where they may. I will not slant my analysis to favor the club or begin the analysis already knowing my result. But no matter what I conclude, I will always hope that things will go well, that the team will win games, and that the team will improve. Of course, sitting at my computer in San Luis Obispo, California, there is not much I can do that is directly helpful and supportive. The situation is different for fans living in Southampton. This brings me to my primary question: What useful purpose is served by making a scapegoat out of Pelle or any other Southampton player? Does anyone really think that if the fans harass and mock him, he will play better? Given this past summer where we were all disappointed by the level of loyalty shown by some of our player wouldn’t it be a good idea to try to start things out on the right foot with the newer players by making them feel welcome and wanted? Think back to this moment: (https://www.youtube .com/watch?v=YfZlkEt aAjA and http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/sport/1096448 7.Guly_penalty_prove s_team_spirit_is_str ong___Perez/ ) Does that not suggest that suggest that, despite the extreme hostility towards Guly demonstrated by many fans, Guly was popular with his teammates? Maybe they would have felt more loyalty to our team if their friend and fellow player had been better treated by the fans? The same is true of the treatment of Katharina Liebherr. After the first few player sales had occurred, it was certainly theoretically possible that she was asset stripping the club. Yet, the board members all said that was not what was happening and, however, this season turns out, they were telling the truth. Yet, appalling comments about her gender and appearance were not uncommon on the various forums. I have seen few, if any, apologies either for the personal attacks or the misguided accusations. I assume that someone at the club keeps up with what is said about the club online—if nothing else, it might help them figure out if anyone is leaking information they shouldn’t. Does anyone really think that our team’s owner will do more for the club if she hears that many fans have gratuitously insulted her and accused her and her handpicked board members of being incompetent, evil liars? Hopefully, the insults will not affect her at all, but what is the point of making them? And don’t tell me it is just a way of blowing off steam with some harmless banter. Some people have claimed that last year’s team would have won Saturday’s game by 3 or 4 goals. Given that we only won three league games last year by three goals, this seems unlikely. If anything, the first two games have raised a strong sense of déjà vu. In Liverpool, we outplayed the other side for much of the game, but missed our chances and dropped points. Against West Brom, we dominated possession but failed to turn that possession into goals and dropped points. Those results are entirely typical of last year. By my count, there were twelve games last year we should have drawn or won but instead lost or drew—dropping 24 total points. Of course, all team drop points, but I don’t see the performances this year as being out of line with the performances from last year. This might change if we lose our next two games, but even if that happens it hardly means we are doomed to relegation. There are legitimate questions to be asked about the current team and management and I am sure we would all like a chance to ask them and get some answers. But that probably won’t happen. In time, many of the answers will become clear, but in the meanwhile there is simply nothing to be gained by holding a negative attitude. On paper our team is one of the ten best teams in the league. Financially, our team is one of the six or seven strongest in the league. Our manager has a good track record—I certainly would not trade him for the managers of most other BPL teams. The dream we all had—that last year’s team would progress and reach the Champions League—is gone, but it was probably not a realistic dream in the first place. (http://redsloscf.bl ogspot.com/2014/08/h ow-close-were-we.htm l ) Instead, we should enjoy what we have now, which is a lot more than what Southampton FC fans had five years ago, and more than most fans now have in their local clubs. If nothing else you can look at the situation of your beloved neighbors to see how much worse things could be.[/p][/quote]Wonderful post, couldn't of said anything better if I had tried. fascia123
  • Score: 2

5:01pm Mon 25 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Churchill Saint wrote:
StCally1983 wrote:
Once again St Mary's is populated by idiotic morons slating new signings after 2 games.
We've lost 6 of our first team from last season and people are expecting miracles.
Lambert up front on Saturday would've faired no better than Pelle, having to deal with long balls pumped up to him and being marked by 2 defenders constantly.
Shows the immaturity and stupidity of some of our supporters to slate players after such a short time.
The sarcastic people sarcastically cheering Pelle when he won a flick on was nothing short of a disgrace.
I hope you're proud of yourselves. if you spent more time getting behind our players than slagging them off then they'd probably settle in better knowing they have the full backing of their supporters.
Those of you who boo and slate, are morons
you are absolutely right. However, whilst these morons are a tiny minority, they also shout loudest whether on the terraces or this forum. Yesterday on one thread the same moron rubbished Pelle 4 times (in between the expletives) and has totally written him off, even though the lad has only played 2 competitive games in a new team in a different league. Unbelievable. It would not surprise me if the same morons were the ones who boo their own players and pick on someone to blame, regardless (aka Guly). I just can't understand how they think this will positively motivate the player and help the team.
The word think is the operative word, they don't.
[quote][p][bold]Churchill Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StCally1983[/bold] wrote: Once again St Mary's is populated by idiotic morons slating new signings after 2 games. We've lost 6 of our first team from last season and people are expecting miracles. Lambert up front on Saturday would've faired no better than Pelle, having to deal with long balls pumped up to him and being marked by 2 defenders constantly. Shows the immaturity and stupidity of some of our supporters to slate players after such a short time. The sarcastic people sarcastically cheering Pelle when he won a flick on was nothing short of a disgrace. I hope you're proud of yourselves. if you spent more time getting behind our players than slagging them off then they'd probably settle in better knowing they have the full backing of their supporters. Those of you who boo and slate, are morons[/p][/quote]you are absolutely right. However, whilst these morons are a tiny minority, they also shout loudest whether on the terraces or this forum. Yesterday on one thread the same moron rubbished Pelle 4 times (in between the expletives) and has totally written him off, even though the lad has only played 2 competitive games in a new team in a different league. Unbelievable. It would not surprise me if the same morons were the ones who boo their own players and pick on someone to blame, regardless (aka Guly). I just can't understand how they think this will positively motivate the player and help the team.[/p][/quote]The word think is the operative word, they don't. fascia123
  • Score: 7

5:09pm Mon 25 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

jls217 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
Agree with the first post 100%, but surely the club should of brought all the new players in before or during pre season ??.
I think we will settle into a good premier side and finish top ten. Any fan jeering his own players at any time throughout a game or season is not helping club or player . Keep the faith, forget about breaking into the top four. If we can not help the club by leaving EMPTY SEATS AT HOME GAMES how are they going to bring in the players needed to compete with the big clubs?? Not being a NEGGIE or a CLAPPER just looking at facts.
If we had a manager we might have been able to do that Hedge End but for too long we didn't have one and there were freebies to be had in those early days. Transfers can take time and there is no point looking at how quickly ours were sold as most of the negotiations between club and player were done long before the official transfers took place - the agents and the clubs had made sure of this. Our transfers in firstly had to be convinced this was where they wanted to come. How much convincing did Lovren take? Liarllana had agreed his wages with Skiverpool months beforehand alledgedly.
Keeping the faith is sometimes what it takes mate - there are those who just want to rant and rage rather than put their bum into a seat and buy a programme and a pie.
Is another consideration, the early purchase of transfer targets would of also of been hampered by the uncertainty around Poxi?
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Agree with the first post 100%, but surely the club should of brought all the new players in before or during pre season ??. I think we will settle into a good premier side and finish top ten. Any fan jeering his own players at any time throughout a game or season is not helping club or player . Keep the faith, forget about breaking into the top four. If we can not help the club by leaving EMPTY SEATS AT HOME GAMES how are they going to bring in the players needed to compete with the big clubs?? Not being a NEGGIE or a CLAPPER just looking at facts.[/p][/quote]If we had a manager we might have been able to do that Hedge End but for too long we didn't have one and there were freebies to be had in those early days. Transfers can take time and there is no point looking at how quickly ours were sold as most of the negotiations between club and player were done long before the official transfers took place - the agents and the clubs had made sure of this. Our transfers in firstly had to be convinced this was where they wanted to come. How much convincing did Lovren take? Liarllana had agreed his wages with Skiverpool months beforehand alledgedly. Keeping the faith is sometimes what it takes mate - there are those who just want to rant and rage rather than put their bum into a seat and buy a programme and a pie.[/p][/quote]Is another consideration, the early purchase of transfer targets would of also of been hampered by the uncertainty around Poxi? fascia123
  • Score: 6

5:30pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Shareholder says...

saintmicky wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
Agree with the first post 100%, but surely the club should of brought all the new players in before or during pre season ??.
I think we will settle into a good premier side and finish top ten. Any fan jeering his own players at any time throughout a game or season is not helping club or player . Keep the faith, forget about breaking into the top four. If we can not help the club by leaving EMPTY SEATS AT HOME GAMES how are they going to bring in the players needed to compete with the big clubs?? Not being a NEGGIE or a CLAPPER just looking at facts.
It would have been great to have got all of our signings in early doors, sadly that is easier said than done, several of the players that we had clocked up as possibles, have shown their true colours and we have had a couple of lucky escapes. Posters have the right to be critical, if they think that the players aren't performing or are simply not good enough, however a word of caution, there are disingenuous posters that are keen to manipulate feelings within the readership for the wrong reasons. No good will ever come from vilifying individual players. If they are wearing our shirt, it is our duty to back them, to encourage them to do better for us, a lot about a player is in his confidence, a goal or two for Pelle for instance, however they came, could make a massive difference in how he performs in the future. Remember how JRod was treated before he scored a few. I don't see many admitting they got that wrong. Empty seats would be full if there was a something to encourage people to return, and newcomers to realise that there was something good for them to participate in. It has to be earned, there is no on/off switch for success.
The situation is very finely balanced at the moment and could go either way, but as a supporter you can influence it by being positive at all times, negativity can soon roller coaster and bring the house down, you have the choice on how to go about it, a "told you so" attitude is not the way to go.
We'll be fine. Funny thing is that people seemed to be realistic that things would take time to settle and that we'd be looking at a season of re-building, but one poor performance and some jump on the team, tactics and individuals.

Fans need to just focus on us to start with and not get wound up looking at Spurs or anyone else - this is about the Saints and we all knew this would take time, so let's give them time.

One thing that puts things into context when people criticise certain new players is the performance thus far of all likely alternatives we were linked with or let go:

Caulker - who many wanted - isn't off to the best of starts, Wickham hasn't scored, Hernandez hasn't scored, Bony hasn't scored, Adam and Luke injured, Rickie hasn't scored and has missed a penalty.

Basically - if you look at players we viably could have had as alternatives, none of them have set the world alight in the first two games.

Patience please. The positive for me is that our defence is looking reasonably solid and teams with solid defences tend not to struggle too badly.

We're rebuilding and everyone knows that the most sensible way to rebuild is with strong foundations.

One absolutely obvious fact though is that clearly the players will settle better if they know they have our full support.
Guilty as charged; Don't like long ball football, don't enjoy watching teams that lack pace, but most of all just upset by 85% attendance at the first home game of the season, I'll take some happy pills and comment again when they kick in ;-)
Or even better, come back when you've learned something about football. All gates are down in August it being holiday season, schools are out and people are away on holiday. As for long ball football who played that? Forster mostly rolled the ball out from the back and we mostly played through the midfield though, as Koeman rightly complained, too slowly. Sometimes though you have to play over the top when the opposition packs the midfield and defence the way West Brom did. If you do that though the balls have to be accurate and you need players playing off the target man. We didn't achieve either but that will improve once the players know each other's game better. Not even the great Pochettino (I jest of course) with his Plan A and only Plan A approach could do better - not many teams can against such well drilled opposition. So we should all keep calm - things will definitely get better!
[quote][p][bold]saintmicky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Agree with the first post 100%, but surely the club should of brought all the new players in before or during pre season ??. I think we will settle into a good premier side and finish top ten. Any fan jeering his own players at any time throughout a game or season is not helping club or player . Keep the faith, forget about breaking into the top four. If we can not help the club by leaving EMPTY SEATS AT HOME GAMES how are they going to bring in the players needed to compete with the big clubs?? Not being a NEGGIE or a CLAPPER just looking at facts.[/p][/quote]It would have been great to have got all of our signings in early doors, sadly that is easier said than done, several of the players that we had clocked up as possibles, have shown their true colours and we have had a couple of lucky escapes. Posters have the right to be critical, if they think that the players aren't performing or are simply not good enough, however a word of caution, there are disingenuous posters that are keen to manipulate feelings within the readership for the wrong reasons. No good will ever come from vilifying individual players. If they are wearing our shirt, it is our duty to back them, to encourage them to do better for us, a lot about a player is in his confidence, a goal or two for Pelle for instance, however they came, could make a massive difference in how he performs in the future. Remember how JRod was treated before he scored a few. I don't see many admitting they got that wrong. Empty seats would be full if there was a something to encourage people to return, and newcomers to realise that there was something good for them to participate in. It has to be earned, there is no on/off switch for success. The situation is very finely balanced at the moment and could go either way, but as a supporter you can influence it by being positive at all times, negativity can soon roller coaster and bring the house down, you have the choice on how to go about it, a "told you so" attitude is not the way to go.[/p][/quote]We'll be fine. Funny thing is that people seemed to be realistic that things would take time to settle and that we'd be looking at a season of re-building, but one poor performance and some jump on the team, tactics and individuals. Fans need to just focus on us to start with and not get wound up looking at Spurs or anyone else - this is about the Saints and we all knew this would take time, so let's give them time. One thing that puts things into context when people criticise certain new players is the performance thus far of all likely alternatives we were linked with or let go: Caulker - who many wanted - isn't off to the best of starts, Wickham hasn't scored, Hernandez hasn't scored, Bony hasn't scored, Adam and Luke injured, Rickie hasn't scored and has missed a penalty. Basically - if you look at players we viably could have had as alternatives, none of them have set the world alight in the first two games. Patience please. The positive for me is that our defence is looking reasonably solid and teams with solid defences tend not to struggle too badly. We're rebuilding and everyone knows that the most sensible way to rebuild is with strong foundations. One absolutely obvious fact though is that clearly the players will settle better if they know they have our full support.[/p][/quote]Guilty as charged; Don't like long ball football, don't enjoy watching teams that lack pace, but most of all just upset by 85% attendance at the first home game of the season, I'll take some happy pills and comment again when they kick in ;-)[/p][/quote]Or even better, come back when you've learned something about football. All gates are down in August it being holiday season, schools are out and people are away on holiday. As for long ball football who played that? Forster mostly rolled the ball out from the back and we mostly played through the midfield though, as Koeman rightly complained, too slowly. Sometimes though you have to play over the top when the opposition packs the midfield and defence the way West Brom did. If you do that though the balls have to be accurate and you need players playing off the target man. We didn't achieve either but that will improve once the players know each other's game better. Not even the great Pochettino (I jest of course) with his Plan A and only Plan A approach could do better - not many teams can against such well drilled opposition. So we should all keep calm - things will definitely get better! Shareholder
  • Score: 6

5:35pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Egomaniac says...

sparky130a wrote:
I think some are looking at last season through rose tinted specs. We gave away a lot of points we shouldn't have and not every game was spectacular.

As for our start this season, an impressive away display and a dour goalless draw against a team with little ambition.

I bet most would have taken that a month and a bit ago when only the exit door was seeing any action.

We will improve and the team will become more cohesive. A couple more signings and we'll be fine. Proven goalscorer is the priority IMO. But is there one out there for sale..?
More to the point sparky, is there a better one out there who would be willing to come to Saints? There lies the problem methinks!
[quote][p][bold]sparky130a[/bold] wrote: I think some are looking at last season through rose tinted specs. We gave away a lot of points we shouldn't have and not every game was spectacular. As for our start this season, an impressive away display and a dour goalless draw against a team with little ambition. I bet most would have taken that a month and a bit ago when only the exit door was seeing any action. We will improve and the team will become more cohesive. A couple more signings and we'll be fine. Proven goalscorer is the priority IMO. But is there one out there for sale..?[/p][/quote]More to the point sparky, is there a better one out there who would be willing to come to Saints? There lies the problem methinks! Egomaniac
  • Score: 1

5:51pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
These sage words were cut and pasted from a blog supplied by a septic fan sunning himself in California who seems to have a better grasp than many of those who turn up week in week out. IMHO - naturally.

The reaction to Saturday’s draw has left me somewhat confused. On the various forums devoted to Southampton FC, many alleged fans of the team have already decided the season is a disaster and Pelle is the worst thing since unsliced bread. This seems to miss the point of being a fan.

Although I have only been a fan since 2010, I want Southampton FC to play well, win games, and provide entertainment. Now that I am writing a blog about the team, I also want the club to generate interesting subjects for discussion. Generally, this means that I support the team. This does not mean mindless—the team is always right—total support, but it does mean approaching events with an optimistic attitude. When I analyze some aspect of Southampton FC, I will let the chips fall where they may. I will not slant my analysis to favor the club or begin the analysis already knowing my result. But no matter what I conclude, I will always hope that things will go well, that the team will win games, and that the team will improve.

Of course, sitting at my computer in San Luis Obispo, California, there is not much I can do that is directly helpful and supportive. The situation is different for fans living in Southampton. This brings me to my primary question: What useful purpose is served by making a scapegoat out of Pelle or any other Southampton player? Does anyone really think that if the fans harass and mock him, he will play better? Given this past summer where we were all disappointed by the level of loyalty shown by some of our player wouldn’t it be a good idea to try to start things out on the right foot with the newer players by making them feel welcome and wanted?
Think back to this moment: (https://www.youtube


.com/watch?v=YfZlkEt


aAjA and http://www.dailyecho


.co.uk/sport/1096448


7.Guly_penalty_prove


s_team_spirit_is_str


ong___Perez/ ) Does that not suggest that suggest that, despite the extreme hostility towards Guly demonstrated by many fans, Guly was popular with his teammates? Maybe they would have felt more loyalty to our team if their friend and fellow player had been better treated by the fans?

The same is true of the treatment of Katharina Liebherr. After the first few player sales had occurred, it was certainly theoretically possible that she was asset stripping the club. Yet, the board members all said that was not what was happening and, however, this season turns out, they were telling the truth. Yet, appalling comments about her gender and appearance were not uncommon on the various forums. I have seen few, if any, apologies either for the personal attacks or the misguided accusations.

I assume that someone at the club keeps up with what is said about the club online—if nothing else, it might help them figure out if anyone is leaking information they shouldn’t. Does anyone really think that our team’s owner will do more for the club if she hears that many fans have gratuitously insulted her and accused her and her handpicked board members of being incompetent, evil liars? Hopefully, the insults will not affect her at all, but what is the point of making them? And don’t tell me it is just a way of blowing off steam with some harmless banter.

Some people have claimed that last year’s team would have won Saturday’s game by 3 or 4 goals. Given that we only won three league games last year by three goals, this seems unlikely. If anything, the first two games have raised a strong sense of déjà vu. In Liverpool, we outplayed the other side for much of the game, but missed our chances and dropped points. Against West Brom, we dominated possession but failed to turn that possession into goals and dropped points. Those results are entirely typical of last year. By my count, there were twelve games last year we should have drawn or won but instead lost or drew—dropping 24 total points. Of course, all team drop points, but I don’t see the performances this year as being out of line with the performances from last year. This might change if we lose our next two games, but even if that happens it hardly means we are doomed to relegation.

There are legitimate questions to be asked about the current team and management and I am sure we would all like a chance to ask them and get some answers. But that probably won’t happen. In time, many of the answers will become clear, but in the meanwhile there is simply nothing to be gained by holding a negative attitude. On paper our team is one of the ten best teams in the league. Financially, our team is one of the six or seven strongest in the league. Our manager has a good track record—I certainly would not trade him for the managers of most other BPL teams. The dream we all had—that last year’s team would progress and reach the Champions League—is gone, but it was probably not a realistic dream in the first place. (http://redsloscf.bl


ogspot.com/2014/08/h


ow-close-were-we.htm


l ) Instead, we should enjoy what we have now, which is a lot more than what Southampton FC fans had five years ago, and more than most fans now have in their local clubs. If nothing else you can look at the situation of your beloved neighbors to see how much worse things could be.
Wonderful post, couldn't of said anything better if I had tried.
Less is more.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: These sage words were cut and pasted from a blog supplied by a septic fan sunning himself in California who seems to have a better grasp than many of those who turn up week in week out. IMHO - naturally. The reaction to Saturday’s draw has left me somewhat confused. On the various forums devoted to Southampton FC, many alleged fans of the team have already decided the season is a disaster and Pelle is the worst thing since unsliced bread. This seems to miss the point of being a fan. Although I have only been a fan since 2010, I want Southampton FC to play well, win games, and provide entertainment. Now that I am writing a blog about the team, I also want the club to generate interesting subjects for discussion. Generally, this means that I support the team. This does not mean mindless—the team is always right—total support, but it does mean approaching events with an optimistic attitude. When I analyze some aspect of Southampton FC, I will let the chips fall where they may. I will not slant my analysis to favor the club or begin the analysis already knowing my result. But no matter what I conclude, I will always hope that things will go well, that the team will win games, and that the team will improve. Of course, sitting at my computer in San Luis Obispo, California, there is not much I can do that is directly helpful and supportive. The situation is different for fans living in Southampton. This brings me to my primary question: What useful purpose is served by making a scapegoat out of Pelle or any other Southampton player? Does anyone really think that if the fans harass and mock him, he will play better? Given this past summer where we were all disappointed by the level of loyalty shown by some of our player wouldn’t it be a good idea to try to start things out on the right foot with the newer players by making them feel welcome and wanted? Think back to this moment: (https://www.youtube .com/watch?v=YfZlkEt aAjA and http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/sport/1096448 7.Guly_penalty_prove s_team_spirit_is_str ong___Perez/ ) Does that not suggest that suggest that, despite the extreme hostility towards Guly demonstrated by many fans, Guly was popular with his teammates? Maybe they would have felt more loyalty to our team if their friend and fellow player had been better treated by the fans? The same is true of the treatment of Katharina Liebherr. After the first few player sales had occurred, it was certainly theoretically possible that she was asset stripping the club. Yet, the board members all said that was not what was happening and, however, this season turns out, they were telling the truth. Yet, appalling comments about her gender and appearance were not uncommon on the various forums. I have seen few, if any, apologies either for the personal attacks or the misguided accusations. I assume that someone at the club keeps up with what is said about the club online—if nothing else, it might help them figure out if anyone is leaking information they shouldn’t. Does anyone really think that our team’s owner will do more for the club if she hears that many fans have gratuitously insulted her and accused her and her handpicked board members of being incompetent, evil liars? Hopefully, the insults will not affect her at all, but what is the point of making them? And don’t tell me it is just a way of blowing off steam with some harmless banter. Some people have claimed that last year’s team would have won Saturday’s game by 3 or 4 goals. Given that we only won three league games last year by three goals, this seems unlikely. If anything, the first two games have raised a strong sense of déjà vu. In Liverpool, we outplayed the other side for much of the game, but missed our chances and dropped points. Against West Brom, we dominated possession but failed to turn that possession into goals and dropped points. Those results are entirely typical of last year. By my count, there were twelve games last year we should have drawn or won but instead lost or drew—dropping 24 total points. Of course, all team drop points, but I don’t see the performances this year as being out of line with the performances from last year. This might change if we lose our next two games, but even if that happens it hardly means we are doomed to relegation. There are legitimate questions to be asked about the current team and management and I am sure we would all like a chance to ask them and get some answers. But that probably won’t happen. In time, many of the answers will become clear, but in the meanwhile there is simply nothing to be gained by holding a negative attitude. On paper our team is one of the ten best teams in the league. Financially, our team is one of the six or seven strongest in the league. Our manager has a good track record—I certainly would not trade him for the managers of most other BPL teams. The dream we all had—that last year’s team would progress and reach the Champions League—is gone, but it was probably not a realistic dream in the first place. (http://redsloscf.bl ogspot.com/2014/08/h ow-close-were-we.htm l ) Instead, we should enjoy what we have now, which is a lot more than what Southampton FC fans had five years ago, and more than most fans now have in their local clubs. If nothing else you can look at the situation of your beloved neighbors to see how much worse things could be.[/p][/quote]Wonderful post, couldn't of said anything better if I had tried.[/p][/quote]Less is more. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 4

6:20pm Mon 25 Aug 14

mack chinnon says...

I hope "Tony in Liberia" is ok.
I hope "Tony in Liberia" is ok. mack chinnon
  • Score: 3

6:38pm Mon 25 Aug 14

SnapperSaint says...

jls217 wrote:
These sage words were cut and pasted from a blog supplied by a septic fan sunning himself in California who seems to have a better grasp than many of those who turn up week in week out. IMHO - naturally.

The reaction to Saturday’s draw has left me somewhat confused. On the various forums devoted to Southampton FC, many alleged fans of the team have already decided the season is a disaster and Pelle is the worst thing since unsliced bread. This seems to miss the point of being a fan.

Although I have only been a fan since 2010, I want Southampton FC to play well, win games, and provide entertainment. Now that I am writing a blog about the team, I also want the club to generate interesting subjects for discussion. Generally, this means that I support the team. This does not mean mindless—the team is always right—total support, but it does mean approaching events with an optimistic attitude. When I analyze some aspect of Southampton FC, I will let the chips fall where they may. I will not slant my analysis to favor the club or begin the analysis already knowing my result. But no matter what I conclude, I will always hope that things will go well, that the team will win games, and that the team will improve.

Of course, sitting at my computer in San Luis Obispo, California, there is not much I can do that is directly helpful and supportive. The situation is different for fans living in Southampton. This brings me to my primary question: What useful purpose is served by making a scapegoat out of Pelle or any other Southampton player? Does anyone really think that if the fans harass and mock him, he will play better? Given this past summer where we were all disappointed by the level of loyalty shown by some of our player wouldn’t it be a good idea to try to start things out on the right foot with the newer players by making them feel welcome and wanted?
Think back to this moment: (https://www.youtube

.com/watch?v=YfZlkEt

aAjA and http://www.dailyecho

.co.uk/sport/1096448

7.Guly_penalty_prove

s_team_spirit_is_str

ong___Perez/ ) Does that not suggest that suggest that, despite the extreme hostility towards Guly demonstrated by many fans, Guly was popular with his teammates? Maybe they would have felt more loyalty to our team if their friend and fellow player had been better treated by the fans?

The same is true of the treatment of Katharina Liebherr. After the first few player sales had occurred, it was certainly theoretically possible that she was asset stripping the club. Yet, the board members all said that was not what was happening and, however, this season turns out, they were telling the truth. Yet, appalling comments about her gender and appearance were not uncommon on the various forums. I have seen few, if any, apologies either for the personal attacks or the misguided accusations.

I assume that someone at the club keeps up with what is said about the club online—if nothing else, it might help them figure out if anyone is leaking information they shouldn’t. Does anyone really think that our team’s owner will do more for the club if she hears that many fans have gratuitously insulted her and accused her and her handpicked board members of being incompetent, evil liars? Hopefully, the insults will not affect her at all, but what is the point of making them? And don’t tell me it is just a way of blowing off steam with some harmless banter.

Some people have claimed that last year’s team would have won Saturday’s game by 3 or 4 goals. Given that we only won three league games last year by three goals, this seems unlikely. If anything, the first two games have raised a strong sense of déjà vu. In Liverpool, we outplayed the other side for much of the game, but missed our chances and dropped points. Against West Brom, we dominated possession but failed to turn that possession into goals and dropped points. Those results are entirely typical of last year. By my count, there were twelve games last year we should have drawn or won but instead lost or drew—dropping 24 total points. Of course, all team drop points, but I don’t see the performances this year as being out of line with the performances from last year. This might change if we lose our next two games, but even if that happens it hardly means we are doomed to relegation.

There are legitimate questions to be asked about the current team and management and I am sure we would all like a chance to ask them and get some answers. But that probably won’t happen. In time, many of the answers will become clear, but in the meanwhile there is simply nothing to be gained by holding a negative attitude. On paper our team is one of the ten best teams in the league. Financially, our team is one of the six or seven strongest in the league. Our manager has a good track record—I certainly would not trade him for the managers of most other BPL teams. The dream we all had—that last year’s team would progress and reach the Champions League—is gone, but it was probably not a realistic dream in the first place. (http://redsloscf.bl

ogspot.com/2014/08/h

ow-close-were-we.htm

l ) Instead, we should enjoy what we have now, which is a lot more than what Southampton FC fans had five years ago, and more than most fans now have in their local clubs. If nothing else you can look at the situation of your beloved neighbors to see how much worse things could be.
..and the other point worth noting about this blogger is that he/she has not long been a supporter, clearly watches the EPL games, and has decided to support Southampton rather than the usual 'well known' and so called 'big' clubs.
This is precisely the kind of new following Saints are starting to attract and should be wholly encouraged in order for us to grow into a global brand and increase revenues so that we really CAN challenge for the Champions League slots.
Having visited Barcelona and looked around the Nou Camp this summer, I can tell you their brand and revenue streams are on a completely different planet, clearly we have a long way to go to get onto that level, but we should be aspiring to try and develop our global brand in the same way. Having a globally recognised academy and developing more players like Bale etc. will help, but killing off the beginnings of a good team by sniping at them probably isn't going to help.
Anyway, great words whoever they are and hope they keep supporting Saints!!!
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: These sage words were cut and pasted from a blog supplied by a septic fan sunning himself in California who seems to have a better grasp than many of those who turn up week in week out. IMHO - naturally. The reaction to Saturday’s draw has left me somewhat confused. On the various forums devoted to Southampton FC, many alleged fans of the team have already decided the season is a disaster and Pelle is the worst thing since unsliced bread. This seems to miss the point of being a fan. Although I have only been a fan since 2010, I want Southampton FC to play well, win games, and provide entertainment. Now that I am writing a blog about the team, I also want the club to generate interesting subjects for discussion. Generally, this means that I support the team. This does not mean mindless—the team is always right—total support, but it does mean approaching events with an optimistic attitude. When I analyze some aspect of Southampton FC, I will let the chips fall where they may. I will not slant my analysis to favor the club or begin the analysis already knowing my result. But no matter what I conclude, I will always hope that things will go well, that the team will win games, and that the team will improve. Of course, sitting at my computer in San Luis Obispo, California, there is not much I can do that is directly helpful and supportive. The situation is different for fans living in Southampton. This brings me to my primary question: What useful purpose is served by making a scapegoat out of Pelle or any other Southampton player? Does anyone really think that if the fans harass and mock him, he will play better? Given this past summer where we were all disappointed by the level of loyalty shown by some of our player wouldn’t it be a good idea to try to start things out on the right foot with the newer players by making them feel welcome and wanted? Think back to this moment: (https://www.youtube .com/watch?v=YfZlkEt aAjA and http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/sport/1096448 7.Guly_penalty_prove s_team_spirit_is_str ong___Perez/ ) Does that not suggest that suggest that, despite the extreme hostility towards Guly demonstrated by many fans, Guly was popular with his teammates? Maybe they would have felt more loyalty to our team if their friend and fellow player had been better treated by the fans? The same is true of the treatment of Katharina Liebherr. After the first few player sales had occurred, it was certainly theoretically possible that she was asset stripping the club. Yet, the board members all said that was not what was happening and, however, this season turns out, they were telling the truth. Yet, appalling comments about her gender and appearance were not uncommon on the various forums. I have seen few, if any, apologies either for the personal attacks or the misguided accusations. I assume that someone at the club keeps up with what is said about the club online—if nothing else, it might help them figure out if anyone is leaking information they shouldn’t. Does anyone really think that our team’s owner will do more for the club if she hears that many fans have gratuitously insulted her and accused her and her handpicked board members of being incompetent, evil liars? Hopefully, the insults will not affect her at all, but what is the point of making them? And don’t tell me it is just a way of blowing off steam with some harmless banter. Some people have claimed that last year’s team would have won Saturday’s game by 3 or 4 goals. Given that we only won three league games last year by three goals, this seems unlikely. If anything, the first two games have raised a strong sense of déjà vu. In Liverpool, we outplayed the other side for much of the game, but missed our chances and dropped points. Against West Brom, we dominated possession but failed to turn that possession into goals and dropped points. Those results are entirely typical of last year. By my count, there were twelve games last year we should have drawn or won but instead lost or drew—dropping 24 total points. Of course, all team drop points, but I don’t see the performances this year as being out of line with the performances from last year. This might change if we lose our next two games, but even if that happens it hardly means we are doomed to relegation. There are legitimate questions to be asked about the current team and management and I am sure we would all like a chance to ask them and get some answers. But that probably won’t happen. In time, many of the answers will become clear, but in the meanwhile there is simply nothing to be gained by holding a negative attitude. On paper our team is one of the ten best teams in the league. Financially, our team is one of the six or seven strongest in the league. Our manager has a good track record—I certainly would not trade him for the managers of most other BPL teams. The dream we all had—that last year’s team would progress and reach the Champions League—is gone, but it was probably not a realistic dream in the first place. (http://redsloscf.bl ogspot.com/2014/08/h ow-close-were-we.htm l ) Instead, we should enjoy what we have now, which is a lot more than what Southampton FC fans had five years ago, and more than most fans now have in their local clubs. If nothing else you can look at the situation of your beloved neighbors to see how much worse things could be.[/p][/quote]..and the other point worth noting about this blogger is that he/she has not long been a supporter, clearly watches the EPL games, and has decided to support Southampton rather than the usual 'well known' and so called 'big' clubs. This is precisely the kind of new following Saints are starting to attract and should be wholly encouraged in order for us to grow into a global brand and increase revenues so that we really CAN challenge for the Champions League slots. Having visited Barcelona and looked around the Nou Camp this summer, I can tell you their brand and revenue streams are on a completely different planet, clearly we have a long way to go to get onto that level, but we should be aspiring to try and develop our global brand in the same way. Having a globally recognised academy and developing more players like Bale etc. will help, but killing off the beginnings of a good team by sniping at them probably isn't going to help. Anyway, great words whoever they are and hope they keep supporting Saints!!! SnapperSaint
  • Score: -1

7:27pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

mack chinnon wrote:
I hope "Tony in Liberia" is ok.
I think he's in Rwanda (or was it Burundi?).
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: I hope "Tony in Liberia" is ok.[/p][/quote]I think he's in Rwanda (or was it Burundi?). Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

7:39pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Chapperall says...

fascia123 wrote:
Churchill Saint wrote:
StCally1983 wrote:
Once again St Mary's is populated by idiotic morons slating new signings after 2 games.
We've lost 6 of our first team from last season and people are expecting miracles.
Lambert up front on Saturday would've faired no better than Pelle, having to deal with long balls pumped up to him and being marked by 2 defenders constantly.
Shows the immaturity and stupidity of some of our supporters to slate players after such a short time.
The sarcastic people sarcastically cheering Pelle when he won a flick on was nothing short of a disgrace.
I hope you're proud of yourselves. if you spent more time getting behind our players than slagging them off then they'd probably settle in better knowing they have the full backing of their supporters.
Those of you who boo and slate, are morons
you are absolutely right. However, whilst these morons are a tiny minority, they also shout loudest whether on the terraces or this forum. Yesterday on one thread the same moron rubbished Pelle 4 times (in between the expletives) and has totally written him off, even though the lad has only played 2 competitive games in a new team in a different league. Unbelievable. It would not surprise me if the same morons were the ones who boo their own players and pick on someone to blame, regardless (aka Guly). I just can't understand how they think this will positively motivate the player and help the team.
The word think is the operative word, they don't.
Agreed you can't motivate players by booing and shouting negatives at them. The guy is obviously struggling and he knows it without some of the so called supporters getting on his back.
Let's all calm down it's only the 2nd week of the season, and they showed at Liverpool that they can play as a team when given the chance. The tactics were all wrong on Saturday long balls cutting out our quality midfield. Let's get back to the pressing and passing game
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Churchill Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StCally1983[/bold] wrote: Once again St Mary's is populated by idiotic morons slating new signings after 2 games. We've lost 6 of our first team from last season and people are expecting miracles. Lambert up front on Saturday would've faired no better than Pelle, having to deal with long balls pumped up to him and being marked by 2 defenders constantly. Shows the immaturity and stupidity of some of our supporters to slate players after such a short time. The sarcastic people sarcastically cheering Pelle when he won a flick on was nothing short of a disgrace. I hope you're proud of yourselves. if you spent more time getting behind our players than slagging them off then they'd probably settle in better knowing they have the full backing of their supporters. Those of you who boo and slate, are morons[/p][/quote]you are absolutely right. However, whilst these morons are a tiny minority, they also shout loudest whether on the terraces or this forum. Yesterday on one thread the same moron rubbished Pelle 4 times (in between the expletives) and has totally written him off, even though the lad has only played 2 competitive games in a new team in a different league. Unbelievable. It would not surprise me if the same morons were the ones who boo their own players and pick on someone to blame, regardless (aka Guly). I just can't understand how they think this will positively motivate the player and help the team.[/p][/quote]The word think is the operative word, they don't.[/p][/quote]Agreed you can't motivate players by booing and shouting negatives at them. The guy is obviously struggling and he knows it without some of the so called supporters getting on his back. Let's all calm down it's only the 2nd week of the season, and they showed at Liverpool that they can play as a team when given the chance. The tactics were all wrong on Saturday long balls cutting out our quality midfield. Let's get back to the pressing and passing game Chapperall
  • Score: 0

8:19pm Mon 25 Aug 14

M.U.CS1 says...

If you had 100 m to spend tomorrow, the best you would get is a few off form, or has been players, top players won't want to sign for Southampton, end of ! Your best players have left, the other one wants to leave, says it all really !
If you had 100 m to spend tomorrow, the best you would get is a few off form, or has been players, top players won't want to sign for Southampton, end of ! Your best players have left, the other one wants to leave, says it all really ! M.U.CS1
  • Score: -2

8:22pm Mon 25 Aug 14

echo1948 says...

After Saturday,s display, I hope we are not going to play West Spam,s tactics this season. Hoof it forward and hope. Not our style at all.
After Saturday,s display, I hope we are not going to play West Spam,s tactics this season. Hoof it forward and hope. Not our style at all. echo1948
  • Score: -4

8:25pm Mon 25 Aug 14

echo1948 says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
If you had 100 m to spend tomorrow, the best you would get is a few off form, or has been players, top players won't want to sign for Southampton, end of ! Your best players have left, the other one wants to leave, says it all really !
Why don,t you p......... off to your own site. or is it too boring for you?
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: If you had 100 m to spend tomorrow, the best you would get is a few off form, or has been players, top players won't want to sign for Southampton, end of ! Your best players have left, the other one wants to leave, says it all really ![/p][/quote]Why don,t you p......... off to your own site. or is it too boring for you? echo1948
  • Score: 2

9:01pm Mon 25 Aug 14

saint gee says...

How about podolski on loan from arsenal, no signing on fee so we could cover his wages, maybe arsenal might pay some of the wages.at least hes proven and given the chance would probably score 20 a season for us. just a thought.
How about podolski on loan from arsenal, no signing on fee so we could cover his wages, maybe arsenal might pay some of the wages.at least hes proven and given the chance would probably score 20 a season for us. just a thought. saint gee
  • Score: 2

9:37pm Mon 25 Aug 14

jls217 says...

fascia123 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
Agree with the first post 100%, but surely the club should of brought all the new players in before or during pre season ??.
I think we will settle into a good premier side and finish top ten. Any fan jeering his own players at any time throughout a game or season is not helping club or player . Keep the faith, forget about breaking into the top four. If we can not help the club by leaving EMPTY SEATS AT HOME GAMES how are they going to bring in the players needed to compete with the big clubs?? Not being a NEGGIE or a CLAPPER just looking at facts.
If we had a manager we might have been able to do that Hedge End but for too long we didn't have one and there were freebies to be had in those early days. Transfers can take time and there is no point looking at how quickly ours were sold as most of the negotiations between club and player were done long before the official transfers took place - the agents and the clubs had made sure of this. Our transfers in firstly had to be convinced this was where they wanted to come. How much convincing did Lovren take? Liarllana had agreed his wages with Skiverpool months beforehand alledgedly.
Keeping the faith is sometimes what it takes mate - there are those who just want to rant and rage rather than put their bum into a seat and buy a programme and a pie.
Is another consideration, the early purchase of transfer targets would of also of been hampered by the uncertainty around Poxi?
It seems some of our players were not uncertain about him going! He had been discussing it with them and maybe even encouraging their defection. Agents knew he was not going to accept what was on offer at Saints - is it inconceivable they would have discussed it with their clients and "Advised" them accordingly? The outgoing were on the last lap before the incoming heard the starter pistol - life just ain't fair eh!?
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Agree with the first post 100%, but surely the club should of brought all the new players in before or during pre season ??. I think we will settle into a good premier side and finish top ten. Any fan jeering his own players at any time throughout a game or season is not helping club or player . Keep the faith, forget about breaking into the top four. If we can not help the club by leaving EMPTY SEATS AT HOME GAMES how are they going to bring in the players needed to compete with the big clubs?? Not being a NEGGIE or a CLAPPER just looking at facts.[/p][/quote]If we had a manager we might have been able to do that Hedge End but for too long we didn't have one and there were freebies to be had in those early days. Transfers can take time and there is no point looking at how quickly ours were sold as most of the negotiations between club and player were done long before the official transfers took place - the agents and the clubs had made sure of this. Our transfers in firstly had to be convinced this was where they wanted to come. How much convincing did Lovren take? Liarllana had agreed his wages with Skiverpool months beforehand alledgedly. Keeping the faith is sometimes what it takes mate - there are those who just want to rant and rage rather than put their bum into a seat and buy a programme and a pie.[/p][/quote]Is another consideration, the early purchase of transfer targets would of also of been hampered by the uncertainty around Poxi?[/p][/quote]It seems some of our players were not uncertain about him going! He had been discussing it with them and maybe even encouraging their defection. Agents knew he was not going to accept what was on offer at Saints - is it inconceivable they would have discussed it with their clients and "Advised" them accordingly? The outgoing were on the last lap before the incoming heard the starter pistol - life just ain't fair eh!? jls217
  • Score: 1

12:13am Tue 26 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
These sage words were cut and pasted from a blog supplied by a septic fan sunning himself in California who seems to have a better grasp than many of those who turn up week in week out. IMHO - naturally.

The reaction to Saturday’s draw has left me somewhat confused. On the various forums devoted to Southampton FC, many alleged fans of the team have already decided the season is a disaster and Pelle is the worst thing since unsliced bread. This seems to miss the point of being a fan.

Although I have only been a fan since 2010, I want Southampton FC to play well, win games, and provide entertainment. Now that I am writing a blog about the team, I also want the club to generate interesting subjects for discussion. Generally, this means that I support the team. This does not mean mindless—the team is always right—total support, but it does mean approaching events with an optimistic attitude. When I analyze some aspect of Southampton FC, I will let the chips fall where they may. I will not slant my analysis to favor the club or begin the analysis already knowing my result. But no matter what I conclude, I will always hope that things will go well, that the team will win games, and that the team will improve.

Of course, sitting at my computer in San Luis Obispo, California, there is not much I can do that is directly helpful and supportive. The situation is different for fans living in Southampton. This brings me to my primary question: What useful purpose is served by making a scapegoat out of Pelle or any other Southampton player? Does anyone really think that if the fans harass and mock him, he will play better? Given this past summer where we were all disappointed by the level of loyalty shown by some of our player wouldn’t it be a good idea to try to start things out on the right foot with the newer players by making them feel welcome and wanted?
Think back to this moment: (https://www.youtube



.com/watch?v=YfZlkEt



aAjA and http://www.dailyecho



.co.uk/sport/1096448



7.Guly_penalty_prove



s_team_spirit_is_str



ong___Perez/ ) Does that not suggest that suggest that, despite the extreme hostility towards Guly demonstrated by many fans, Guly was popular with his teammates? Maybe they would have felt more loyalty to our team if their friend and fellow player had been better treated by the fans?

The same is true of the treatment of Katharina Liebherr. After the first few player sales had occurred, it was certainly theoretically possible that she was asset stripping the club. Yet, the board members all said that was not what was happening and, however, this season turns out, they were telling the truth. Yet, appalling comments about her gender and appearance were not uncommon on the various forums. I have seen few, if any, apologies either for the personal attacks or the misguided accusations.

I assume that someone at the club keeps up with what is said about the club online—if nothing else, it might help them figure out if anyone is leaking information they shouldn’t. Does anyone really think that our team’s owner will do more for the club if she hears that many fans have gratuitously insulted her and accused her and her handpicked board members of being incompetent, evil liars? Hopefully, the insults will not affect her at all, but what is the point of making them? And don’t tell me it is just a way of blowing off steam with some harmless banter.

Some people have claimed that last year’s team would have won Saturday’s game by 3 or 4 goals. Given that we only won three league games last year by three goals, this seems unlikely. If anything, the first two games have raised a strong sense of déjà vu. In Liverpool, we outplayed the other side for much of the game, but missed our chances and dropped points. Against West Brom, we dominated possession but failed to turn that possession into goals and dropped points. Those results are entirely typical of last year. By my count, there were twelve games last year we should have drawn or won but instead lost or drew—dropping 24 total points. Of course, all team drop points, but I don’t see the performances this year as being out of line with the performances from last year. This might change if we lose our next two games, but even if that happens it hardly means we are doomed to relegation.

There are legitimate questions to be asked about the current team and management and I am sure we would all like a chance to ask them and get some answers. But that probably won’t happen. In time, many of the answers will become clear, but in the meanwhile there is simply nothing to be gained by holding a negative attitude. On paper our team is one of the ten best teams in the league. Financially, our team is one of the six or seven strongest in the league. Our manager has a good track record—I certainly would not trade him for the managers of most other BPL teams. The dream we all had—that last year’s team would progress and reach the Champions League—is gone, but it was probably not a realistic dream in the first place. (http://redsloscf.bl



ogspot.com/2014/08/h



ow-close-were-we.htm



l ) Instead, we should enjoy what we have now, which is a lot more than what Southampton FC fans had five years ago, and more than most fans now have in their local clubs. If nothing else you can look at the situation of your beloved neighbors to see how much worse things could be.
Wonderful post, couldn't of said anything better if I had tried.
Less is more.
The fog of nostalgia can affect the best of memories :)
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: These sage words were cut and pasted from a blog supplied by a septic fan sunning himself in California who seems to have a better grasp than many of those who turn up week in week out. IMHO - naturally. The reaction to Saturday’s draw has left me somewhat confused. On the various forums devoted to Southampton FC, many alleged fans of the team have already decided the season is a disaster and Pelle is the worst thing since unsliced bread. This seems to miss the point of being a fan. Although I have only been a fan since 2010, I want Southampton FC to play well, win games, and provide entertainment. Now that I am writing a blog about the team, I also want the club to generate interesting subjects for discussion. Generally, this means that I support the team. This does not mean mindless—the team is always right—total support, but it does mean approaching events with an optimistic attitude. When I analyze some aspect of Southampton FC, I will let the chips fall where they may. I will not slant my analysis to favor the club or begin the analysis already knowing my result. But no matter what I conclude, I will always hope that things will go well, that the team will win games, and that the team will improve. Of course, sitting at my computer in San Luis Obispo, California, there is not much I can do that is directly helpful and supportive. The situation is different for fans living in Southampton. This brings me to my primary question: What useful purpose is served by making a scapegoat out of Pelle or any other Southampton player? Does anyone really think that if the fans harass and mock him, he will play better? Given this past summer where we were all disappointed by the level of loyalty shown by some of our player wouldn’t it be a good idea to try to start things out on the right foot with the newer players by making them feel welcome and wanted? Think back to this moment: (https://www.youtube .com/watch?v=YfZlkEt aAjA and http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/sport/1096448 7.Guly_penalty_prove s_team_spirit_is_str ong___Perez/ ) Does that not suggest that suggest that, despite the extreme hostility towards Guly demonstrated by many fans, Guly was popular with his teammates? Maybe they would have felt more loyalty to our team if their friend and fellow player had been better treated by the fans? The same is true of the treatment of Katharina Liebherr. After the first few player sales had occurred, it was certainly theoretically possible that she was asset stripping the club. Yet, the board members all said that was not what was happening and, however, this season turns out, they were telling the truth. Yet, appalling comments about her gender and appearance were not uncommon on the various forums. I have seen few, if any, apologies either for the personal attacks or the misguided accusations. I assume that someone at the club keeps up with what is said about the club online—if nothing else, it might help them figure out if anyone is leaking information they shouldn’t. Does anyone really think that our team’s owner will do more for the club if she hears that many fans have gratuitously insulted her and accused her and her handpicked board members of being incompetent, evil liars? Hopefully, the insults will not affect her at all, but what is the point of making them? And don’t tell me it is just a way of blowing off steam with some harmless banter. Some people have claimed that last year’s team would have won Saturday’s game by 3 or 4 goals. Given that we only won three league games last year by three goals, this seems unlikely. If anything, the first two games have raised a strong sense of déjà vu. In Liverpool, we outplayed the other side for much of the game, but missed our chances and dropped points. Against West Brom, we dominated possession but failed to turn that possession into goals and dropped points. Those results are entirely typical of last year. By my count, there were twelve games last year we should have drawn or won but instead lost or drew—dropping 24 total points. Of course, all team drop points, but I don’t see the performances this year as being out of line with the performances from last year. This might change if we lose our next two games, but even if that happens it hardly means we are doomed to relegation. There are legitimate questions to be asked about the current team and management and I am sure we would all like a chance to ask them and get some answers. But that probably won’t happen. In time, many of the answers will become clear, but in the meanwhile there is simply nothing to be gained by holding a negative attitude. On paper our team is one of the ten best teams in the league. Financially, our team is one of the six or seven strongest in the league. Our manager has a good track record—I certainly would not trade him for the managers of most other BPL teams. The dream we all had—that last year’s team would progress and reach the Champions League—is gone, but it was probably not a realistic dream in the first place. (http://redsloscf.bl ogspot.com/2014/08/h ow-close-were-we.htm l ) Instead, we should enjoy what we have now, which is a lot more than what Southampton FC fans had five years ago, and more than most fans now have in their local clubs. If nothing else you can look at the situation of your beloved neighbors to see how much worse things could be.[/p][/quote]Wonderful post, couldn't of said anything better if I had tried.[/p][/quote]Less is more.[/p][/quote]The fog of nostalgia can affect the best of memories :) KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 0

6:33am Tue 26 Aug 14

SaintinCanada says...

echo1948 wrote:
M.U.CS1 wrote:
If you had 100 m to spend tomorrow, the best you would get is a few off form, or has been players, top players won't want to sign for Southampton, end of ! Your best players have left, the other one wants to leave, says it all really !
Why don,t you p......... off to your own site. or is it too boring for you?
It's a skate in disguise.....and - yes that site is boring.
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: If you had 100 m to spend tomorrow, the best you would get is a few off form, or has been players, top players won't want to sign for Southampton, end of ! Your best players have left, the other one wants to leave, says it all really ![/p][/quote]Why don,t you p......... off to your own site. or is it too boring for you?[/p][/quote]It's a skate in disguise.....and - yes that site is boring. SaintinCanada
  • Score: 1

8:34am Tue 26 Aug 14

sparky130a says...

saint gee wrote:
How about podolski on loan from arsenal, no signing on fee so we could cover his wages, maybe arsenal might pay some of the wages.at least hes proven and given the chance would probably score 20 a season for us. just a thought.
He's proven alright. Proven not to score 20 goals a season...
[quote][p][bold]saint gee[/bold] wrote: How about podolski on loan from arsenal, no signing on fee so we could cover his wages, maybe arsenal might pay some of the wages.at least hes proven and given the chance would probably score 20 a season for us. just a thought.[/p][/quote]He's proven alright. Proven not to score 20 goals a season... sparky130a
  • Score: 0

12:36pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Karen_Scott says...

I was at both the Liverpool and WBA game and Pele was dire in both games. How long is give him time? I admit 2 games is way too soon for the so called experts on MOTD saying we look one of the favs to go down....After 2 games?????? Pompey are second in their league and you'll be telling me next they're going up already????
I like Tadic. Think he shows promise and our new goalie looks great. just a little bit concerned with Pele. Surely it's got nothing to do with the Premiership how good he is in the air. Don't look like he can jump to save his life atm. My Rickie Lambert mug went in the bin when he went to Liverpool and it was replaced, as a birthday present with a Pele one.
Think I should've had a Tadic one lol x x
I was at both the Liverpool and WBA game and Pele was dire in both games. How long is give him time? I admit 2 games is way too soon for the so called experts on MOTD saying we look one of the favs to go down....After 2 games?????? Pompey are second in their league and you'll be telling me next they're going up already???? I like Tadic. Think he shows promise and our new goalie looks great. just a little bit concerned with Pele. Surely it's got nothing to do with the Premiership how good he is in the air. Don't look like he can jump to save his life atm. My Rickie Lambert mug went in the bin when he went to Liverpool and it was replaced, as a birthday present with a Pele one. Think I should've had a Tadic one lol x x Karen_Scott
  • Score: -1

12:38pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Karen_Scott says...

Oh and btw I would never boo my team no matter what. Only when they leave ungracefully and dis my team and club like Lovren x x
Oh and btw I would never boo my team no matter what. Only when they leave ungracefully and dis my team and club like Lovren x x Karen_Scott
  • Score: 2
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