COMMENT: Koeman must show domestic cups more respect than his predecessor

Mauricio Pochettino - treated the domestic cups badly last season

Mauricio Pochettino - treated the domestic cups badly last season

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“It’s a great opportunity to go on a run. It’s something we are going to take very seriously.”

Those are the words uttered by Saints captain Jose Fonte in today’s Southern Daily Echo, and every supporter wants to believe them.

The memories of last season’s two domestic cup exits in Sunderland, when Mauricio Pochettino fielded below strength sides and paid the price, are still fresh in the minds.

We got the impression with Pochettino that he didn’t care much for the Capital One Cup or the FA Cup.

Indeed, he couldn’t even be bothered to bring his interpreter with him to either the pre match or post match press conferences, instead sending assistant Jesus Perez.

While his reluctance to field his first choice side in the League Cup was hardly at odds with most of his top flight counterparts, the decision not to take an FA Cup fifth round tie seriously brought him widespread (and well deserved) criticism from supporters.

At the time, Saints were obviously safe in the league. Pochettino was offered the perfect chance to have a real go at the FA Cup – and he shamefully refused to take it.

I wrote last season that Saints are not yet big enough to treat the League Cup or the FA Cup with anything resembling contempt.

That still remains the case.

Clubs like Swansea, Sunderland, Hull and Wigan have reached a domestic cup final at Wembley in the last two seasons, and no doubt all their fans enjoyed the occasion.

If those clubs can take the competitions seriously, so should Saints.

Saints have only reached the League Cup final once since the tournament started in the early 1960s, and that was way back in 1979.

The last decade has seen a succession of miserable exits at the likes of Mansfield, Notts County, Peterborough, Watford, Rotherham and Leeds – all lower division clubs at the time.

Saints are therefore long overdue a decent run in the League Cup, which lest we forget brings with it a Europa League place.

Ok, it’s not the Champions League but let’s be realistic here.

The League Cup and the FA Cup provide possibly Saints’ best avenues into Europe, and as a result they should not be treated lightly.

We wait with interest to see whether Ronald Koeman understands that more than his predecessor ....

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9:10am Tue 26 Aug 14

george chivers says...

Good article. We need to give both competitions a real go. It will help to improve the gates at league matches if adopt that attitude. COYR
Good article. We need to give both competitions a real go. It will help to improve the gates at league matches if adopt that attitude. COYR george chivers
  • Score: 35

9:40am Tue 26 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

george chivers wrote:
Good article. We need to give both competitions a real go. It will help to improve the gates at league matches if adopt that attitude. COYR
Plus it will give our new guys more game time together, maybe it's because I'm old but I like the cup game especially the FA Cup.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good article. We need to give both competitions a real go. It will help to improve the gates at league matches if adopt that attitude. COYR[/p][/quote]Plus it will give our new guys more game time together, maybe it's because I'm old but I like the cup game especially the FA Cup. fascia123
  • Score: 36

10:25am Tue 26 Aug 14

mikesugar says...

I think that game at Sunderland did it for me last season. Ponch was only interested in a league place to move on to another club. We had a real chance to go to Wembley and he turned away from it. I really hope we make a better fist of it this time around although I do sense a banana skin tonight.. COYS!!!!!!
I think that game at Sunderland did it for me last season. Ponch was only interested in a league place to move on to another club. We had a real chance to go to Wembley and he turned away from it. I really hope we make a better fist of it this time around although I do sense a banana skin tonight.. COYS!!!!!! mikesugar
  • Score: 16

10:27am Tue 26 Aug 14

Poole Tom says...

Let`s face it we are never going to win the Premier League so if we don`t bother to try and win the cups then what`s the point of supporting the club?
Let`s face it we are never going to win the Premier League so if we don`t bother to try and win the cups then what`s the point of supporting the club? Poole Tom
  • Score: 14

10:38am Tue 26 Aug 14

rick0601 says...

I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs!

Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.
I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs! Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered. rick0601
  • Score: -19

10:45am Tue 26 Aug 14

InsideOutCat says...

Games are often won or lost before a ball is kicked. The prospect of travelling to Millwall's godforsaken hell-hole of a ground, sitting in the post-apocalyptic wasteland between the council incinerator site and the mean streets of Bermondsey is enough to weaken the resolve of any visitor.

That said, nobody can teach us anything about the "No-one likes us. We don't care" mentality after the summer we've had.
Games are often won or lost before a ball is kicked. The prospect of travelling to Millwall's godforsaken hell-hole of a ground, sitting in the post-apocalyptic wasteland between the council incinerator site and the mean streets of Bermondsey is enough to weaken the resolve of any visitor. That said, nobody can teach us anything about the "No-one likes us. We don't care" mentality after the summer we've had. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 22

11:13am Tue 26 Aug 14

BracknellSaint says...

InsideOutCat wrote:
Games are often won or lost before a ball is kicked. The prospect of travelling to Millwall's godforsaken hell-hole of a ground, sitting in the post-apocalyptic wasteland between the council incinerator site and the mean streets of Bermondsey is enough to weaken the resolve of any visitor.

That said, nobody can teach us anything about the "No-one likes us. We don't care" mentality after the summer we've had.
Bermondsey is quite nice these days mind. A bloody good selection of restaurants all popped up closer to one another.
[quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: Games are often won or lost before a ball is kicked. The prospect of travelling to Millwall's godforsaken hell-hole of a ground, sitting in the post-apocalyptic wasteland between the council incinerator site and the mean streets of Bermondsey is enough to weaken the resolve of any visitor. That said, nobody can teach us anything about the "No-one likes us. We don't care" mentality after the summer we've had.[/p][/quote]Bermondsey is quite nice these days mind. A bloody good selection of restaurants all popped up closer to one another. BracknellSaint
  • Score: 2

11:24am Tue 26 Aug 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Agreed that we must take the cups seriously, a winning run will lift confidence and give extra game time for the new players to settle in.

If we can buy Alderweireld & Clasie, plus Townsend & Cerci this week then we have a big enough squad to rotate some players. All the four positions we still need so busy six days Les !

COYR&WS
Agreed that we must take the cups seriously, a winning run will lift confidence and give extra game time for the new players to settle in. If we can buy Alderweireld & Clasie, plus Townsend & Cerci this week then we have a big enough squad to rotate some players. All the four positions we still need so busy six days Les ! COYR&WS NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 3

11:38am Tue 26 Aug 14

notaclue says...

The cup should be used to get fringe players up to speed for their place in the first team, if you don't give players like Mayuka a run out now then there is no point in him being here, so play him or move him on or loan him out again. Maybe not the entire game as Pelle could do with a goal as well.
Playing fringe players in the cup is good for everyone and if we get quite far then have a re-think about making a charge for the final.
The cup should be used to get fringe players up to speed for their place in the first team, if you don't give players like Mayuka a run out now then there is no point in him being here, so play him or move him on or loan him out again. Maybe not the entire game as Pelle could do with a goal as well. Playing fringe players in the cup is good for everyone and if we get quite far then have a re-think about making a charge for the final. notaclue
  • Score: -2

11:46am Tue 26 Aug 14

Poole Tom says...

As I have already indicated above I am pleased with Ronald`s approach to the cup competitions. However I suppose what it comes down to is whether or not a manager feels that by putting out a strong team in the cups it will somehow jeopardize the teams performance in the league games, particularly if the club are or envisage being in a relegation battle. Personally I think a club like Saints, who let`s face it are highly unlikely to ever win the Premier League, should almost always go for it on all three fronts, but I`m sure a lot of fans, particularly the younger ones would prefer us to stay in the Premier League over winning a League or FA cup. If I`m right about that then I think that`s a bit sad because having been fortunate enough to be at Wembley in 1976 I know what they are missing. Having said that I accept that times change and we all have different priorities, but for me if I were to accept that all we were ever going to do is to make up the numbers in the Premier League that would be a bit sad.
As I have already indicated above I am pleased with Ronald`s approach to the cup competitions. However I suppose what it comes down to is whether or not a manager feels that by putting out a strong team in the cups it will somehow jeopardize the teams performance in the league games, particularly if the club are or envisage being in a relegation battle. Personally I think a club like Saints, who let`s face it are highly unlikely to ever win the Premier League, should almost always go for it on all three fronts, but I`m sure a lot of fans, particularly the younger ones would prefer us to stay in the Premier League over winning a League or FA cup. If I`m right about that then I think that`s a bit sad because having been fortunate enough to be at Wembley in 1976 I know what they are missing. Having said that I accept that times change and we all have different priorities, but for me if I were to accept that all we were ever going to do is to make up the numbers in the Premier League that would be a bit sad. Poole Tom
  • Score: 8

11:58am Tue 26 Aug 14

Poole Tom says...

notaclue wrote:
The cup should be used to get fringe players up to speed for their place in the first team, if you don't give players like Mayuka a run out now then there is no point in him being here, so play him or move him on or loan him out again. Maybe not the entire game as Pelle could do with a goal as well.
Playing fringe players in the cup is good for everyone and if we get quite far then have a re-think about making a charge for the final.
But the point is as we saw last season if you play lots of fringe players in the cups, particularly away from home, you never will get a run in the cups!
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: The cup should be used to get fringe players up to speed for their place in the first team, if you don't give players like Mayuka a run out now then there is no point in him being here, so play him or move him on or loan him out again. Maybe not the entire game as Pelle could do with a goal as well. Playing fringe players in the cup is good for everyone and if we get quite far then have a re-think about making a charge for the final.[/p][/quote]But the point is as we saw last season if you play lots of fringe players in the cups, particularly away from home, you never will get a run in the cups! Poole Tom
  • Score: 2

11:58am Tue 26 Aug 14

Poole Tom says...

notaclue wrote:
The cup should be used to get fringe players up to speed for their place in the first team, if you don't give players like Mayuka a run out now then there is no point in him being here, so play him or move him on or loan him out again. Maybe not the entire game as Pelle could do with a goal as well.
Playing fringe players in the cup is good for everyone and if we get quite far then have a re-think about making a charge for the final.
But the point is as we saw last season if you play lots of fringe players in the cups, particularly away from home, you never will get a run in the cups!
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: The cup should be used to get fringe players up to speed for their place in the first team, if you don't give players like Mayuka a run out now then there is no point in him being here, so play him or move him on or loan him out again. Maybe not the entire game as Pelle could do with a goal as well. Playing fringe players in the cup is good for everyone and if we get quite far then have a re-think about making a charge for the final.[/p][/quote]But the point is as we saw last season if you play lots of fringe players in the cups, particularly away from home, you never will get a run in the cups! Poole Tom
  • Score: 2

12:12pm Tue 26 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Poole Tom wrote:
As I have already indicated above I am pleased with Ronald`s approach to the cup competitions. However I suppose what it comes down to is whether or not a manager feels that by putting out a strong team in the cups it will somehow jeopardize the teams performance in the league games, particularly if the club are or envisage being in a relegation battle. Personally I think a club like Saints, who let`s face it are highly unlikely to ever win the Premier League, should almost always go for it on all three fronts, but I`m sure a lot of fans, particularly the younger ones would prefer us to stay in the Premier League over winning a League or FA cup. If I`m right about that then I think that`s a bit sad because having been fortunate enough to be at Wembley in 1976 I know what they are missing. Having said that I accept that times change and we all have different priorities, but for me if I were to accept that all we were ever going to do is to make up the numbers in the Premier League that would be a bit sad.
What a day

McCreery came on as substitute for Hill, but in the 83rd minute, Bobby Stokes, who had just banged the ball high over the bar, raced on to a gem of a pass by McCalliog and although he himself feared he might have been off-side, he placed his shot accurately into the extreme corner of the net- and Southampton had won the Cup.

Television playback showed that both the referee and linesman were correct in their judgement, and it was Stokes' anticipation and quickness off the mark that took him past Buchan and left him with only Stepney to beat. Southampton coolly played out the remaining seven minutes of the game.

So the unexpected had happened and 'the Saints went marching in' to receive their Cup and medals from the Queen. It had been a good game of football, played in a splendid spirit and without an unpleasant foul from start to finish.

Team Details

Southampton: Turner, Rodrigues, Peach, Holmes, Blyth, Steele, Gilchrist, Channon, Osgood, McCalliog, Stokes (Fisher)
[quote][p][bold]Poole Tom[/bold] wrote: As I have already indicated above I am pleased with Ronald`s approach to the cup competitions. However I suppose what it comes down to is whether or not a manager feels that by putting out a strong team in the cups it will somehow jeopardize the teams performance in the league games, particularly if the club are or envisage being in a relegation battle. Personally I think a club like Saints, who let`s face it are highly unlikely to ever win the Premier League, should almost always go for it on all three fronts, but I`m sure a lot of fans, particularly the younger ones would prefer us to stay in the Premier League over winning a League or FA cup. If I`m right about that then I think that`s a bit sad because having been fortunate enough to be at Wembley in 1976 I know what they are missing. Having said that I accept that times change and we all have different priorities, but for me if I were to accept that all we were ever going to do is to make up the numbers in the Premier League that would be a bit sad.[/p][/quote]What a day McCreery came on as substitute for Hill, but in the 83rd minute, Bobby Stokes, who had just banged the ball high over the bar, raced on to a gem of a pass by McCalliog and although he himself feared he might have been off-side, he placed his shot accurately into the extreme corner of the net- and Southampton had won the Cup. Television playback showed that both the referee and linesman were correct in their judgement, and it was Stokes' anticipation and quickness off the mark that took him past Buchan and left him with only Stepney to beat. Southampton coolly played out the remaining seven minutes of the game. So the unexpected had happened and 'the Saints went marching in' to receive their Cup and medals from the Queen. It had been a good game of football, played in a splendid spirit and without an unpleasant foul from start to finish. Team Details Southampton: Turner, Rodrigues, Peach, Holmes, Blyth, Steele, Gilchrist, Channon, Osgood, McCalliog, Stokes (Fisher) fascia123
  • Score: 10

12:18pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

rick0601 wrote:
I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs!

Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.
We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season.

'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that.
[quote][p][bold]rick0601[/bold] wrote: I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs! Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.[/p][/quote]We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season. 'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 12

12:27pm Tue 26 Aug 14

centre circle says...

What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?
What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ? centre circle
  • Score: 0

12:41pm Tue 26 Aug 14

st.ranger says...

Go for the cups, pick a decent team perhaps just a keeping a couple of the big guns on the bench and it should be good for team spirit for the young and impact players to get more real game time and extends our options if we suffer injuries or just want to play a different syle in the prem against some teams. I did not like pockethemonio's attitue to these competitions last year and I am sure that a few runs in them will bring people in for the PL games too. I was dissappointed in the empties at the weekend, but they started to play like they were 2-0 up and it did not get much better. Anybody would think we wen to Diverpool and left half the squad up there.............
Go for the cups, pick a decent team perhaps just a keeping a couple of the big guns on the bench and it should be good for team spirit for the young and impact players to get more real game time and extends our options if we suffer injuries or just want to play a different syle in the prem against some teams. I did not like pockethemonio's attitue to these competitions last year and I am sure that a few runs in them will bring people in for the PL games too. I was dissappointed in the empties at the weekend, but they started to play like they were 2-0 up and it did not get much better. Anybody would think we wen to Diverpool and left half the squad up there............. st.ranger
  • Score: 3

12:48pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

centre circle wrote:
What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?
Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for?

The team was:
Davis
Clyne
Shaw
Wanyama
Yoshida
Hooivelt
Ward-Prowse
Davis
Lambert
Lallana
Do Prado

Jay Rod came on for Guly.

I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid.
[quote][p][bold]centre circle[/bold] wrote: What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?[/p][/quote]Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for? The team was: Davis Clyne Shaw Wanyama Yoshida Hooivelt Ward-Prowse Davis Lambert Lallana Do Prado Jay Rod came on for Guly. I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

12:50pm Tue 26 Aug 14

deepheat says...

Winning the League cup or FA cup gives us entry into the Europa League. This is the future for teams like Saints because as from 2015 the Europa League winners will qualify for the following season's Champions League. That's a huge incentive for big Ron.
Winning the League cup or FA cup gives us entry into the Europa League. This is the future for teams like Saints because as from 2015 the Europa League winners will qualify for the following season's Champions League. That's a huge incentive for big Ron. deepheat
  • Score: 10

1:01pm Tue 26 Aug 14

notaclue says...

Poole Tom wrote:
notaclue wrote:
The cup should be used to get fringe players up to speed for their place in the first team, if you don't give players like Mayuka a run out now then there is no point in him being here, so play him or move him on or loan him out again. Maybe not the entire game as Pelle could do with a goal as well.
Playing fringe players in the cup is good for everyone and if we get quite far then have a re-think about making a charge for the final.
But the point is as we saw last season if you play lots of fringe players in the cups, particularly away from home, you never will get a run in the cups!
But we did get quite far in the competition and our prem safety was secure and at that point we should have taken it more seriously.
Clubs have won the cup and got relegated while doing it, lets not make that mistake.
If we played both Tadic and Morgan tonight and they both got injured playing against Milwall it would not be a price worth paying. Play Gaza in goal and if he is not good enough then get rid of him.
[quote][p][bold]Poole Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: The cup should be used to get fringe players up to speed for their place in the first team, if you don't give players like Mayuka a run out now then there is no point in him being here, so play him or move him on or loan him out again. Maybe not the entire game as Pelle could do with a goal as well. Playing fringe players in the cup is good for everyone and if we get quite far then have a re-think about making a charge for the final.[/p][/quote]But the point is as we saw last season if you play lots of fringe players in the cups, particularly away from home, you never will get a run in the cups![/p][/quote]But we did get quite far in the competition and our prem safety was secure and at that point we should have taken it more seriously. Clubs have won the cup and got relegated while doing it, lets not make that mistake. If we played both Tadic and Morgan tonight and they both got injured playing against Milwall it would not be a price worth paying. Play Gaza in goal and if he is not good enough then get rid of him. notaclue
  • Score: 2

1:14pm Tue 26 Aug 14

durham87saint says...

If we are to be taken seriously this season then all games are important. Winning breads winning. We have an opportunity to get to a cup final. We did this in the JPT and just look what a lift that gave our club. We have been on a roll ever since. The trouble is the so called big clubs don't take these games seriously because they buy all the top players and just use them for cup games. (After liverpoo had stolen all those players I wonder how LaLa & Rick will feel with only being used as subs in those games. Loo-run will be dropped soon from any game after his mistakes on Monday).
This sets a bad example because top flight clubs do the same when they don't have the quality or depth of squads. Fortunately we have the best youth policy in the country if not in Europe, so we can afford to rest a few players, but not to the degree mopo did at Sunderland last season. I was there on that wet Wednesday night and it was ugly, I never want to witness that again.
All games throw up unexpected results but if you play well and give your all than that's all you can ask for. We will win tonight and hopefully be in the League & FA cup finals plus a good league place. (#1 won't be that bad as long as we finish above liverpoo & spuds) COYR's
If we are to be taken seriously this season then all games are important. Winning breads winning. We have an opportunity to get to a cup final. We did this in the JPT and just look what a lift that gave our club. We have been on a roll ever since. The trouble is the so called big clubs don't take these games seriously because they buy all the top players and just use them for cup games. (After liverpoo had stolen all those players I wonder how LaLa & Rick will feel with only being used as subs in those games. Loo-run will be dropped soon from any game after his mistakes on Monday). This sets a bad example because top flight clubs do the same when they don't have the quality or depth of squads. Fortunately we have the best youth policy in the country if not in Europe, so we can afford to rest a few players, but not to the degree mopo did at Sunderland last season. I was there on that wet Wednesday night and it was ugly, I never want to witness that again. All games throw up unexpected results but if you play well and give your all than that's all you can ask for. We will win tonight and hopefully be in the League & FA cup finals plus a good league place. (#1 won't be that bad as long as we finish above liverpoo & spuds) COYR's durham87saint
  • Score: 3

1:15pm Tue 26 Aug 14

durham87saint says...

durham87saint wrote:
If we are to be taken seriously this season then all games are important. Winning breads winning. We have an opportunity to get to a cup final. We did this in the JPT and just look what a lift that gave our club. We have been on a roll ever since. The trouble is the so called big clubs don't take these games seriously because they buy all the top players and just use them for cup games. (After liverpoo had stolen all those players I wonder how LaLa & Rick will feel with only being used as subs in those games. Loo-run will be dropped soon from any game after his mistakes on Monday).
This sets a bad example because top flight clubs do the same when they don't have the quality or depth of squads. Fortunately we have the best youth policy in the country if not in Europe, so we can afford to rest a few players, but not to the degree mopo did at Sunderland last season. I was there on that wet Wednesday night and it was ugly, I never want to witness that again.
All games throw up unexpected results but if you play well and give your all than that's all you can ask for. We will win tonight and hopefully be in the League & FA cup finals plus a good league place. (#1 won't be that bad as long as we finish above liverpoo & spuds) COYR's
Meant to give myself a +
[quote][p][bold]durham87saint[/bold] wrote: If we are to be taken seriously this season then all games are important. Winning breads winning. We have an opportunity to get to a cup final. We did this in the JPT and just look what a lift that gave our club. We have been on a roll ever since. The trouble is the so called big clubs don't take these games seriously because they buy all the top players and just use them for cup games. (After liverpoo had stolen all those players I wonder how LaLa & Rick will feel with only being used as subs in those games. Loo-run will be dropped soon from any game after his mistakes on Monday). This sets a bad example because top flight clubs do the same when they don't have the quality or depth of squads. Fortunately we have the best youth policy in the country if not in Europe, so we can afford to rest a few players, but not to the degree mopo did at Sunderland last season. I was there on that wet Wednesday night and it was ugly, I never want to witness that again. All games throw up unexpected results but if you play well and give your all than that's all you can ask for. We will win tonight and hopefully be in the League & FA cup finals plus a good league place. (#1 won't be that bad as long as we finish above liverpoo & spuds) COYR's[/p][/quote]Meant to give myself a + durham87saint
  • Score: 4

1:16pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Poole Tom says...

notaclue wrote:
Poole Tom wrote:
notaclue wrote:
The cup should be used to get fringe players up to speed for their place in the first team, if you don't give players like Mayuka a run out now then there is no point in him being here, so play him or move him on or loan him out again. Maybe not the entire game as Pelle could do with a goal as well.
Playing fringe players in the cup is good for everyone and if we get quite far then have a re-think about making a charge for the final.
But the point is as we saw last season if you play lots of fringe players in the cups, particularly away from home, you never will get a run in the cups!
But we did get quite far in the competition and our prem safety was secure and at that point we should have taken it more seriously.
Clubs have won the cup and got relegated while doing it, lets not make that mistake.
If we played both Tadic and Morgan tonight and they both got injured playing against Milwall it would not be a price worth paying. Play Gaza in goal and if he is not good enough then get rid of him.
So your priority is the league and bugger the cups. Fair enough if that`s your opinion but it`s not mine. I want us to try and win something not just make up the numbers in the Premier League.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poole Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: The cup should be used to get fringe players up to speed for their place in the first team, if you don't give players like Mayuka a run out now then there is no point in him being here, so play him or move him on or loan him out again. Maybe not the entire game as Pelle could do with a goal as well. Playing fringe players in the cup is good for everyone and if we get quite far then have a re-think about making a charge for the final.[/p][/quote]But the point is as we saw last season if you play lots of fringe players in the cups, particularly away from home, you never will get a run in the cups![/p][/quote]But we did get quite far in the competition and our prem safety was secure and at that point we should have taken it more seriously. Clubs have won the cup and got relegated while doing it, lets not make that mistake. If we played both Tadic and Morgan tonight and they both got injured playing against Milwall it would not be a price worth paying. Play Gaza in goal and if he is not good enough then get rid of him.[/p][/quote]So your priority is the league and bugger the cups. Fair enough if that`s your opinion but it`s not mine. I want us to try and win something not just make up the numbers in the Premier League. Poole Tom
  • Score: 3

1:24pm Tue 26 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

durham87saint wrote:
durham87saint wrote:
If we are to be taken seriously this season then all games are important. Winning breads winning. We have an opportunity to get to a cup final. We did this in the JPT and just look what a lift that gave our club. We have been on a roll ever since. The trouble is the so called big clubs don't take these games seriously because they buy all the top players and just use them for cup games. (After liverpoo had stolen all those players I wonder how LaLa & Rick will feel with only being used as subs in those games. Loo-run will be dropped soon from any game after his mistakes on Monday).
This sets a bad example because top flight clubs do the same when they don't have the quality or depth of squads. Fortunately we have the best youth policy in the country if not in Europe, so we can afford to rest a few players, but not to the degree mopo did at Sunderland last season. I was there on that wet Wednesday night and it was ugly, I never want to witness that again.
All games throw up unexpected results but if you play well and give your all than that's all you can ask for. We will win tonight and hopefully be in the League & FA cup finals plus a good league place. (#1 won't be that bad as long as we finish above liverpoo & spuds) COYR's
Meant to give myself a +
Have done it for you for a good post
[quote][p][bold]durham87saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]durham87saint[/bold] wrote: If we are to be taken seriously this season then all games are important. Winning breads winning. We have an opportunity to get to a cup final. We did this in the JPT and just look what a lift that gave our club. We have been on a roll ever since. The trouble is the so called big clubs don't take these games seriously because they buy all the top players and just use them for cup games. (After liverpoo had stolen all those players I wonder how LaLa & Rick will feel with only being used as subs in those games. Loo-run will be dropped soon from any game after his mistakes on Monday). This sets a bad example because top flight clubs do the same when they don't have the quality or depth of squads. Fortunately we have the best youth policy in the country if not in Europe, so we can afford to rest a few players, but not to the degree mopo did at Sunderland last season. I was there on that wet Wednesday night and it was ugly, I never want to witness that again. All games throw up unexpected results but if you play well and give your all than that's all you can ask for. We will win tonight and hopefully be in the League & FA cup finals plus a good league place. (#1 won't be that bad as long as we finish above liverpoo & spuds) COYR's[/p][/quote]Meant to give myself a +[/p][/quote]Have done it for you for a good post fascia123
  • Score: 5

1:28pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Poole Tom says...

centre circle wrote:
What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?
If you start with lots of fringe players and they play badly you then have to bring on your senior players in the hope that they can dig you out of a hole. Never an easy task. In my opinion it`s much better to start with a strong team, hopefully get the game won and then bring on the fringe players. That way you give yourselves the best opportunity to progress which surely should be the objective.
[quote][p][bold]centre circle[/bold] wrote: What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?[/p][/quote]If you start with lots of fringe players and they play badly you then have to bring on your senior players in the hope that they can dig you out of a hole. Never an easy task. In my opinion it`s much better to start with a strong team, hopefully get the game won and then bring on the fringe players. That way you give yourselves the best opportunity to progress which surely should be the objective. Poole Tom
  • Score: 3

1:32pm Tue 26 Aug 14

notaclue says...

Poole Tom wrote:
notaclue wrote:
Poole Tom wrote:
notaclue wrote:
The cup should be used to get fringe players up to speed for their place in the first team, if you don't give players like Mayuka a run out now then there is no point in him being here, so play him or move him on or loan him out again. Maybe not the entire game as Pelle could do with a goal as well.
Playing fringe players in the cup is good for everyone and if we get quite far then have a re-think about making a charge for the final.
But the point is as we saw last season if you play lots of fringe players in the cups, particularly away from home, you never will get a run in the cups!
But we did get quite far in the competition and our prem safety was secure and at that point we should have taken it more seriously.
Clubs have won the cup and got relegated while doing it, lets not make that mistake.
If we played both Tadic and Morgan tonight and they both got injured playing against Milwall it would not be a price worth paying. Play Gaza in goal and if he is not good enough then get rid of him.
So your priority is the league and bugger the cups. Fair enough if that`s your opinion but it`s not mine. I want us to try and win something not just make up the numbers in the Premier League.
Prem league survival is more important than a good run in any of the cups, are you saying you would risk relegation for a good run in the Capital One Cup , fair enough if thats your opinion but it's not mine.
There has to be a balance and fringe players have to be given a chance to play at some point or there is no progression, play Targett tonight he is good enough, if we have players in our first team that are not good enough to win against a weakened Milwall team then why are they in our first team?
You can't expect to play the same 11 strongest players every match including the cups barring injury, who does that?
[quote][p][bold]Poole Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poole Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: The cup should be used to get fringe players up to speed for their place in the first team, if you don't give players like Mayuka a run out now then there is no point in him being here, so play him or move him on or loan him out again. Maybe not the entire game as Pelle could do with a goal as well. Playing fringe players in the cup is good for everyone and if we get quite far then have a re-think about making a charge for the final.[/p][/quote]But the point is as we saw last season if you play lots of fringe players in the cups, particularly away from home, you never will get a run in the cups![/p][/quote]But we did get quite far in the competition and our prem safety was secure and at that point we should have taken it more seriously. Clubs have won the cup and got relegated while doing it, lets not make that mistake. If we played both Tadic and Morgan tonight and they both got injured playing against Milwall it would not be a price worth paying. Play Gaza in goal and if he is not good enough then get rid of him.[/p][/quote]So your priority is the league and bugger the cups. Fair enough if that`s your opinion but it`s not mine. I want us to try and win something not just make up the numbers in the Premier League.[/p][/quote]Prem league survival is more important than a good run in any of the cups, are you saying you would risk relegation for a good run in the Capital One Cup , fair enough if thats your opinion but it's not mine. There has to be a balance and fringe players have to be given a chance to play at some point or there is no progression, play Targett tonight he is good enough, if we have players in our first team that are not good enough to win against a weakened Milwall team then why are they in our first team? You can't expect to play the same 11 strongest players every match including the cups barring injury, who does that? notaclue
  • Score: 3

1:47pm Tue 26 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
centre circle wrote:
What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?
Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for?

The team was:
Davis
Clyne
Shaw
Wanyama
Yoshida
Hooivelt
Ward-Prowse
Davis
Lambert
Lallana
Do Prado

Jay Rod came on for Guly.

I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid.
It certainly wasn't the strongest 11 we could field but you're right - that team was pretty good, there has been a little re-writing of history done about this. I'm with you, we were beaten not because we fielded a weak side but because we were beaten by a better side on the day.
Good call mate.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]centre circle[/bold] wrote: What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?[/p][/quote]Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for? The team was: Davis Clyne Shaw Wanyama Yoshida Hooivelt Ward-Prowse Davis Lambert Lallana Do Prado Jay Rod came on for Guly. I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]It certainly wasn't the strongest 11 we could field but you're right - that team was pretty good, there has been a little re-writing of history done about this. I'm with you, we were beaten not because we fielded a weak side but because we were beaten by a better side on the day. Good call mate. jls217
  • Score: 5

1:53pm Tue 26 Aug 14

jls217 says...

If a player needs a rest then fine give him one. If another player needs a full game coming back from injury fine give him one. If you need to have a look at a player in a different position in a competitive environment then I suppose it could work in a cup game if you're willing to take that risk.
We are not going to win the league - I think most people with a pulse will agree with that.
It's possible we could get caught up in the relegation mire but not likely - I think a lot of us would agree with that.
So what are our options to do something a little out of the ordinary? - a good cup run, maybe a final and maybe even winning it.
No brainer for me, strongest possible team to suit the game that you can put out.
If a player needs a rest then fine give him one. If another player needs a full game coming back from injury fine give him one. If you need to have a look at a player in a different position in a competitive environment then I suppose it could work in a cup game if you're willing to take that risk. We are not going to win the league - I think most people with a pulse will agree with that. It's possible we could get caught up in the relegation mire but not likely - I think a lot of us would agree with that. So what are our options to do something a little out of the ordinary? - a good cup run, maybe a final and maybe even winning it. No brainer for me, strongest possible team to suit the game that you can put out. jls217
  • Score: 4

1:54pm Tue 26 Aug 14

swesaint says...

durham87saint wrote:
If we are to be taken seriously this season then all games are important. Winning breads winning. We have an opportunity to get to a cup final. We did this in the JPT and just look what a lift that gave our club. We have been on a roll ever since. The trouble is the so called big clubs don't take these games seriously because they buy all the top players and just use them for cup games. (After liverpoo had stolen all those players I wonder how LaLa & Rick will feel with only being used as subs in those games. Loo-run will be dropped soon from any game after his mistakes on Monday).
This sets a bad example because top flight clubs do the same when they don't have the quality or depth of squads. Fortunately we have the best youth policy in the country if not in Europe, so we can afford to rest a few players, but not to the degree mopo did at Sunderland last season. I was there on that wet Wednesday night and it was ugly, I never want to witness that again.
All games throw up unexpected results but if you play well and give your all than that's all you can ask for. We will win tonight and hopefully be in the League & FA cup finals plus a good league place. (#1 won't be that bad as long as we finish above liverpoo & spuds) COYR's
It was ugly because the players didnt turn up on the day, team was more than good enough to win. Winning the JPT did not kickstart anything, dont confuse the JPT with Marcus taking over the club.
[quote][p][bold]durham87saint[/bold] wrote: If we are to be taken seriously this season then all games are important. Winning breads winning. We have an opportunity to get to a cup final. We did this in the JPT and just look what a lift that gave our club. We have been on a roll ever since. The trouble is the so called big clubs don't take these games seriously because they buy all the top players and just use them for cup games. (After liverpoo had stolen all those players I wonder how LaLa & Rick will feel with only being used as subs in those games. Loo-run will be dropped soon from any game after his mistakes on Monday). This sets a bad example because top flight clubs do the same when they don't have the quality or depth of squads. Fortunately we have the best youth policy in the country if not in Europe, so we can afford to rest a few players, but not to the degree mopo did at Sunderland last season. I was there on that wet Wednesday night and it was ugly, I never want to witness that again. All games throw up unexpected results but if you play well and give your all than that's all you can ask for. We will win tonight and hopefully be in the League & FA cup finals plus a good league place. (#1 won't be that bad as long as we finish above liverpoo & spuds) COYR's[/p][/quote]It was ugly because the players didnt turn up on the day, team was more than good enough to win. Winning the JPT did not kickstart anything, dont confuse the JPT with Marcus taking over the club. swesaint
  • Score: 4

1:56pm Tue 26 Aug 14

7saint7 says...

The League Cup and the FA Cup are top cups anyway to win one of them would be every thing to a saints fan. And big Ron would be up there with big Mac as are greatest ever managers .
The League Cup and the FA Cup are top cups anyway to win one of them would be every thing to a saints fan. And big Ron would be up there with big Mac as are greatest ever managers . 7saint7
  • Score: 4

2:06pm Tue 26 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

jls217 wrote:
If a player needs a rest then fine give him one. If another player needs a full game coming back from injury fine give him one. If you need to have a look at a player in a different position in a competitive environment then I suppose it could work in a cup game if you're willing to take that risk.
We are not going to win the league - I think most people with a pulse will agree with that.
It's possible we could get caught up in the relegation mire but not likely - I think a lot of us would agree with that.
So what are our options to do something a little out of the ordinary? - a good cup run, maybe a final and maybe even winning it.
No brainer for me, strongest possible team to suit the game that you can put out.
Good shout.

Just my opinion for the cup I never understand why we don't start with as strong a side as is sensible, using all the parameters you have mentioned but not leave your better players on the bench and bring them on when chasing a result.

A top player in my mind Is more likely to get an injury after 60 minutes on the bench and coming on to chase a game than he is after a nice warm up.

Similarly a young player coming on when you are two up will feel more relaxed,and give a better performance.

Get a good footing in the game first then take your better players off.

Of course IMHO
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: If a player needs a rest then fine give him one. If another player needs a full game coming back from injury fine give him one. If you need to have a look at a player in a different position in a competitive environment then I suppose it could work in a cup game if you're willing to take that risk. We are not going to win the league - I think most people with a pulse will agree with that. It's possible we could get caught up in the relegation mire but not likely - I think a lot of us would agree with that. So what are our options to do something a little out of the ordinary? - a good cup run, maybe a final and maybe even winning it. No brainer for me, strongest possible team to suit the game that you can put out.[/p][/quote]Good shout. Just my opinion for the cup I never understand why we don't start with as strong a side as is sensible, using all the parameters you have mentioned but not leave your better players on the bench and bring them on when chasing a result. A top player in my mind Is more likely to get an injury after 60 minutes on the bench and coming on to chase a game than he is after a nice warm up. Similarly a young player coming on when you are two up will feel more relaxed,and give a better performance. Get a good footing in the game first then take your better players off. Of course IMHO fascia123
  • Score: 2

2:09pm Tue 26 Aug 14

echo1948 says...

Unfortunately as the PL has grown the be all and end all to the top clubs is the CL. It seems to me that the domestic cup competitions are only a distraction to them. It used to be every player,s dream to walk out at Wembley for an FA cup final, but that has all been undermined by the CL. Even the FA cup semi-finals are now played there which does detract somewhat. I was there in 1976, a great day out for all Saint,s fans, and to beat the "great" Manure was pure magic. How times have changed.
Unfortunately as the PL has grown the be all and end all to the top clubs is the CL. It seems to me that the domestic cup competitions are only a distraction to them. It used to be every player,s dream to walk out at Wembley for an FA cup final, but that has all been undermined by the CL. Even the FA cup semi-finals are now played there which does detract somewhat. I was there in 1976, a great day out for all Saint,s fans, and to beat the "great" Manure was pure magic. How times have changed. echo1948
  • Score: 3

2:10pm Tue 26 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Holloway is saying he'll make changes tonight and making all the right noises about Saints being favourites to win etc.
He'll play a strong side tonight I reckon as he will want to bounce back from the weekends home defeat so i can see it being a difficult game tonight.
What don't want is to be going into extra time and penalties.
If we manage to grab an early lead our defence will need to on their game to see the game out.
1-0 Saints will do me and win ugly if we need to.
Lloyd Isgrove should also be considered for some game time as well as the the two new signings IMO.
COYR FOADP
Holloway is saying he'll make changes tonight and making all the right noises about Saints being favourites to win etc. He'll play a strong side tonight I reckon as he will want to bounce back from the weekends home defeat so i can see it being a difficult game tonight. What don't want is to be going into extra time and penalties. If we manage to grab an early lead our defence will need to on their game to see the game out. 1-0 Saints will do me and win ugly if we need to. Lloyd Isgrove should also be considered for some game time as well as the the two new signings IMO. COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: 2

2:20pm Tue 26 Aug 14

george chivers says...

jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
centre circle wrote:
What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?
Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for?

The team was:
Davis
Clyne
Shaw
Wanyama
Yoshida
Hooivelt
Ward-Prowse
Davis
Lambert
Lallana
Do Prado

Jay Rod came on for Guly.

I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid.
It certainly wasn't the strongest 11 we could field but you're right - that team was pretty good, there has been a little re-writing of history done about this. I'm with you, we were beaten not because we fielded a weak side but because we were beaten by a better side on the day.
Good call mate.
Don't agree with that. No it wasn't a shoddy team but he did change it completely down the spine. Goalkeeper, centre backs, spiderman and Jay rod. Five key players who influence the whole team down the centre, removed from the starting line up. A few days later he said the Europa Cup wasn't worth trying for because it wasn't financially viable.

Was that his opinion or was it the board's opinion? Did MOPO and the board know what was coming at that point? Or did the board just tell him they weren't interested in the FA Cup because they new what they were going to do already at the end of the season and didn't want to qualify for the Europa Cup?

Whatever the reason it gave Sunderland a good incentive to win the game and reduced our chances of winning it and protected the manager of being accused by the FA of fielding a weakened team. Quite clever really and got the manager what he/they wanted. A defeat. And did nothing for the fans.

Here's hoping we win tonight. COYR
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]centre circle[/bold] wrote: What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?[/p][/quote]Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for? The team was: Davis Clyne Shaw Wanyama Yoshida Hooivelt Ward-Prowse Davis Lambert Lallana Do Prado Jay Rod came on for Guly. I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]It certainly wasn't the strongest 11 we could field but you're right - that team was pretty good, there has been a little re-writing of history done about this. I'm with you, we were beaten not because we fielded a weak side but because we were beaten by a better side on the day. Good call mate.[/p][/quote]Don't agree with that. No it wasn't a shoddy team but he did change it completely down the spine. Goalkeeper, centre backs, spiderman and Jay rod. Five key players who influence the whole team down the centre, removed from the starting line up. A few days later he said the Europa Cup wasn't worth trying for because it wasn't financially viable. Was that his opinion or was it the board's opinion? Did MOPO and the board know what was coming at that point? Or did the board just tell him they weren't interested in the FA Cup because they new what they were going to do already at the end of the season and didn't want to qualify for the Europa Cup? Whatever the reason it gave Sunderland a good incentive to win the game and reduced our chances of winning it and protected the manager of being accused by the FA of fielding a weakened team. Quite clever really and got the manager what he/they wanted. A defeat. And did nothing for the fans. Here's hoping we win tonight. COYR george chivers
  • Score: 2

2:21pm Tue 26 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

echo1948 wrote:
Unfortunately as the PL has grown the be all and end all to the top clubs is the CL. It seems to me that the domestic cup competitions are only a distraction to them. It used to be every player,s dream to walk out at Wembley for an FA cup final, but that has all been undermined by the CL. Even the FA cup semi-finals are now played there which does detract somewhat. I was there in 1976, a great day out for all Saint,s fans, and to beat the "great" Manure was pure magic. How times have changed.
Perhaps this could be our Bobby Stokes year, no reason why not if we take the cups seriously.
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately as the PL has grown the be all and end all to the top clubs is the CL. It seems to me that the domestic cup competitions are only a distraction to them. It used to be every player,s dream to walk out at Wembley for an FA cup final, but that has all been undermined by the CL. Even the FA cup semi-finals are now played there which does detract somewhat. I was there in 1976, a great day out for all Saint,s fans, and to beat the "great" Manure was pure magic. How times have changed.[/p][/quote]Perhaps this could be our Bobby Stokes year, no reason why not if we take the cups seriously. fascia123
  • Score: 2

2:25pm Tue 26 Aug 14

drkensta says...

Koeman should pick a team which he feels has a 90+per cent chance of winning. Any fringe players involved should be picked on their performance in training when setting the tactics to defeat Millwall. All players should be selected on what they will positively contribute to the game in question, and should never be put on the field to just give them game time, or to rest another player. The idea of substituting is to change the tactics of the game to enforce a positive result.
Koeman should pick a team which he feels has a 90+per cent chance of winning. Any fringe players involved should be picked on their performance in training when setting the tactics to defeat Millwall. All players should be selected on what they will positively contribute to the game in question, and should never be put on the field to just give them game time, or to rest another player. The idea of substituting is to change the tactics of the game to enforce a positive result. drkensta
  • Score: 3

2:26pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

echo1948 wrote:
Unfortunately as the PL has grown the be all and end all to the top clubs is the CL. It seems to me that the domestic cup competitions are only a distraction to them. It used to be every player,s dream to walk out at Wembley for an FA cup final, but that has all been undermined by the CL. Even the FA cup semi-finals are now played there which does detract somewhat. I was there in 1976, a great day out for all Saint,s fans, and to beat the "great" Manure was pure magic. How times have changed.
Very true Echo,the buzz and excitement seems to have gone out of it now(or maybe I'm just getting old?),it just doesn't seem to generate that feeling of anticipation anymore.
How can you get excited about a game as a fan,if you are subconsciously thinking that the hearts of the club,and the players aren't in it,what's the point?..its tantamount to throwing the match,a disgraceful attitude,and devalues the love of the game for us fans,which is all that we are in it for.
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately as the PL has grown the be all and end all to the top clubs is the CL. It seems to me that the domestic cup competitions are only a distraction to them. It used to be every player,s dream to walk out at Wembley for an FA cup final, but that has all been undermined by the CL. Even the FA cup semi-finals are now played there which does detract somewhat. I was there in 1976, a great day out for all Saint,s fans, and to beat the "great" Manure was pure magic. How times have changed.[/p][/quote]Very true Echo,the buzz and excitement seems to have gone out of it now(or maybe I'm just getting old?),it just doesn't seem to generate that feeling of anticipation anymore. How can you get excited about a game as a fan,if you are subconsciously thinking that the hearts of the club,and the players aren't in it,what's the point?..its tantamount to throwing the match,a disgraceful attitude,and devalues the love of the game for us fans,which is all that we are in it for. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

2:30pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Saintsayer II says...

george chivers wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
centre circle wrote:
What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?
Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for?

The team was:
Davis
Clyne
Shaw
Wanyama
Yoshida
Hooivelt
Ward-Prowse
Davis
Lambert
Lallana
Do Prado

Jay Rod came on for Guly.

I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid.
It certainly wasn't the strongest 11 we could field but you're right - that team was pretty good, there has been a little re-writing of history done about this. I'm with you, we were beaten not because we fielded a weak side but because we were beaten by a better side on the day.
Good call mate.
Don't agree with that. No it wasn't a shoddy team but he did change it completely down the spine. Goalkeeper, centre backs, spiderman and Jay rod. Five key players who influence the whole team down the centre, removed from the starting line up. A few days later he said the Europa Cup wasn't worth trying for because it wasn't financially viable.

Was that his opinion or was it the board's opinion? Did MOPO and the board know what was coming at that point? Or did the board just tell him they weren't interested in the FA Cup because they new what they were going to do already at the end of the season and didn't want to qualify for the Europa Cup?

Whatever the reason it gave Sunderland a good incentive to win the game and reduced our chances of winning it and protected the manager of being accused by the FA of fielding a weakened team. Quite clever really and got the manager what he/they wanted. A defeat. And did nothing for the fans.

Here's hoping we win tonight. COYR
And all the time his team were failing to perform he sat in his seat and sulked
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]centre circle[/bold] wrote: What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?[/p][/quote]Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for? The team was: Davis Clyne Shaw Wanyama Yoshida Hooivelt Ward-Prowse Davis Lambert Lallana Do Prado Jay Rod came on for Guly. I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]It certainly wasn't the strongest 11 we could field but you're right - that team was pretty good, there has been a little re-writing of history done about this. I'm with you, we were beaten not because we fielded a weak side but because we were beaten by a better side on the day. Good call mate.[/p][/quote]Don't agree with that. No it wasn't a shoddy team but he did change it completely down the spine. Goalkeeper, centre backs, spiderman and Jay rod. Five key players who influence the whole team down the centre, removed from the starting line up. A few days later he said the Europa Cup wasn't worth trying for because it wasn't financially viable. Was that his opinion or was it the board's opinion? Did MOPO and the board know what was coming at that point? Or did the board just tell him they weren't interested in the FA Cup because they new what they were going to do already at the end of the season and didn't want to qualify for the Europa Cup? Whatever the reason it gave Sunderland a good incentive to win the game and reduced our chances of winning it and protected the manager of being accused by the FA of fielding a weakened team. Quite clever really and got the manager what he/they wanted. A defeat. And did nothing for the fans. Here's hoping we win tonight. COYR[/p][/quote]And all the time his team were failing to perform he sat in his seat and sulked Saintsayer II
  • Score: -1

2:32pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

george chivers wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
centre circle wrote:
What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?
Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for?

The team was:
Davis
Clyne
Shaw
Wanyama
Yoshida
Hooivelt
Ward-Prowse
Davis
Lambert
Lallana
Do Prado

Jay Rod came on for Guly.

I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid.
It certainly wasn't the strongest 11 we could field but you're right - that team was pretty good, there has been a little re-writing of history done about this. I'm with you, we were beaten not because we fielded a weak side but because we were beaten by a better side on the day.
Good call mate.
Don't agree with that. No it wasn't a shoddy team but he did change it completely down the spine. Goalkeeper, centre backs, spiderman and Jay rod. Five key players who influence the whole team down the centre, removed from the starting line up. A few days later he said the Europa Cup wasn't worth trying for because it wasn't financially viable.

Was that his opinion or was it the board's opinion? Did MOPO and the board know what was coming at that point? Or did the board just tell him they weren't interested in the FA Cup because they new what they were going to do already at the end of the season and didn't want to qualify for the Europa Cup?

Whatever the reason it gave Sunderland a good incentive to win the game and reduced our chances of winning it and protected the manager of being accused by the FA of fielding a weakened team. Quite clever really and got the manager what he/they wanted. A defeat. And did nothing for the fans.

Here's hoping we win tonight. COYR
Agree with that George,the whole thing just didn't feel right, even Lambert's miss.
I've gotta lotta nerve!
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]centre circle[/bold] wrote: What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?[/p][/quote]Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for? The team was: Davis Clyne Shaw Wanyama Yoshida Hooivelt Ward-Prowse Davis Lambert Lallana Do Prado Jay Rod came on for Guly. I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]It certainly wasn't the strongest 11 we could field but you're right - that team was pretty good, there has been a little re-writing of history done about this. I'm with you, we were beaten not because we fielded a weak side but because we were beaten by a better side on the day. Good call mate.[/p][/quote]Don't agree with that. No it wasn't a shoddy team but he did change it completely down the spine. Goalkeeper, centre backs, spiderman and Jay rod. Five key players who influence the whole team down the centre, removed from the starting line up. A few days later he said the Europa Cup wasn't worth trying for because it wasn't financially viable. Was that his opinion or was it the board's opinion? Did MOPO and the board know what was coming at that point? Or did the board just tell him they weren't interested in the FA Cup because they new what they were going to do already at the end of the season and didn't want to qualify for the Europa Cup? Whatever the reason it gave Sunderland a good incentive to win the game and reduced our chances of winning it and protected the manager of being accused by the FA of fielding a weakened team. Quite clever really and got the manager what he/they wanted. A defeat. And did nothing for the fans. Here's hoping we win tonight. COYR[/p][/quote]Agree with that George,the whole thing just didn't feel right, even Lambert's miss. I've gotta lotta nerve! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

2:43pm Tue 26 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

The trouble with the cups is that the so called big clubs tend to play their fringe players in the early rounds, then if they make it to the semis which they do more often than not they then play their first eleven.
The trophy then becomes very important for them to win which will always make it difficult for so called smaller teams to win them.

League Cup Winners since the PL began - 15 winners from the so called top 6 ie ( Arsenal, Chelsea, Man C, Man Utd, Liverpool, Spurs) with 8 as runners up of which 5 finals were between 2 top 6 clubs.

Only 5 finals between clubs outside the top six or from lower leagues in 23 years and 8 out of the last 10 finals have been won by one of the top
6.

FA Cup winners since the PL began - 21 Winners from the top 6 out of 23 finals with 8 runners up and 7 finals between 2 top 6 clubs.

Sorry to overcook the stats but it's about time we got involved again.......so COYR!
The trouble with the cups is that the so called big clubs tend to play their fringe players in the early rounds, then if they make it to the semis which they do more often than not they then play their first eleven. The trophy then becomes very important for them to win which will always make it difficult for so called smaller teams to win them. League Cup Winners since the PL began - 15 winners from the so called top 6 ie ( Arsenal, Chelsea, Man C, Man Utd, Liverpool, Spurs) with 8 as runners up of which 5 finals were between 2 top 6 clubs. Only 5 finals between clubs outside the top six or from lower leagues in 23 years and 8 out of the last 10 finals have been won by one of the top 6. FA Cup winners since the PL began - 21 Winners from the top 6 out of 23 finals with 8 runners up and 7 finals between 2 top 6 clubs. Sorry to overcook the stats but it's about time we got involved again.......so COYR! J7junctionseven
  • Score: 2

2:45pm Tue 26 Aug 14

notaclue says...

i don't know of any club in the BPL that would sesibly give priority to the cup over the league.
We should put out a decent team tonight but keep our best players on the bench in case we are chasing the game after 60min, just like Man Utd did to us after Chaplow scored.
i don't know of any club in the BPL that would sesibly give priority to the cup over the league. We should put out a decent team tonight but keep our best players on the bench in case we are chasing the game after 60min, just like Man Utd did to us after Chaplow scored. notaclue
  • Score: 1

2:46pm Tue 26 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
The trouble with the cups is that the so called big clubs tend to play their fringe players in the early rounds, then if they make it to the semis which they do more often than not they then play their first eleven.
The trophy then becomes very important for them to win which will always make it difficult for so called smaller teams to win them.

League Cup Winners since the PL began - 15 winners from the so called top 6 ie ( Arsenal, Chelsea, Man C, Man Utd, Liverpool, Spurs) with 8 as runners up of which 5 finals were between 2 top 6 clubs.

Only 5 finals between clubs outside the top six or from lower leagues in 23 years and 8 out of the last 10 finals have been won by one of the top
6.

FA Cup winners since the PL began - 21 Winners from the top 6 out of 23 finals with 8 runners up and 7 finals between 2 top 6 clubs.

Sorry to overcook the stats but it's about time we got involved again.......so COYR!
Oh and 8 out of the last 10 FA Cup Finals have been won by the so called top 6.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: The trouble with the cups is that the so called big clubs tend to play their fringe players in the early rounds, then if they make it to the semis which they do more often than not they then play their first eleven. The trophy then becomes very important for them to win which will always make it difficult for so called smaller teams to win them. League Cup Winners since the PL began - 15 winners from the so called top 6 ie ( Arsenal, Chelsea, Man C, Man Utd, Liverpool, Spurs) with 8 as runners up of which 5 finals were between 2 top 6 clubs. Only 5 finals between clubs outside the top six or from lower leagues in 23 years and 8 out of the last 10 finals have been won by one of the top 6. FA Cup winners since the PL began - 21 Winners from the top 6 out of 23 finals with 8 runners up and 7 finals between 2 top 6 clubs. Sorry to overcook the stats but it's about time we got involved again.......so COYR![/p][/quote]Oh and 8 out of the last 10 FA Cup Finals have been won by the so called top 6. J7junctionseven
  • Score: 1

3:05pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Graham, North of Watford says...

InsideOutCat wrote:
Games are often won or lost before a ball is kicked. The prospect of travelling to Millwall's godforsaken hell-hole of a ground, sitting in the post-apocalyptic wasteland between the council incinerator site and the mean streets of Bermondsey is enough to weaken the resolve of any visitor.

That said, nobody can teach us anything about the "No-one likes us. We don't care" mentality after the summer we've had.
Nothing like sitting at home with a nice mug of OXO and listening to the match on "SaintsPlayer"

Go on, you know it makes sense

What do you mean, "The summer we've had". It's all so depressingly normal these days and we've still got a few days left for Tin-Tin to work some magic.

Just love the way that the Dutch speak English. It's so different, obviously foreign but with that air of purpose and meaning and deliberateness that works through the barriers.

So totally different to, what should we say, Spanish, for example
[quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: Games are often won or lost before a ball is kicked. The prospect of travelling to Millwall's godforsaken hell-hole of a ground, sitting in the post-apocalyptic wasteland between the council incinerator site and the mean streets of Bermondsey is enough to weaken the resolve of any visitor. That said, nobody can teach us anything about the "No-one likes us. We don't care" mentality after the summer we've had.[/p][/quote]Nothing like sitting at home with a nice mug of OXO and listening to the match on "SaintsPlayer" Go on, you know it makes sense What do you mean, "The summer we've had". It's all so depressingly normal these days and we've still got a few days left for Tin-Tin to work some magic. Just love the way that the Dutch speak English. It's so different, obviously foreign but with that air of purpose and meaning and deliberateness that works through the barriers. So totally different to, what should we say, Spanish, for example Graham, North of Watford
  • Score: 2

3:13pm Tue 26 Aug 14

notaclue says...

Difference between finishing 8th and 9th position in the EPL = £2.5m
Win the FA Cup = £1.8m
This could have something to do with it.
Difference between finishing 8th and 9th position in the EPL = £2.5m Win the FA Cup = £1.8m This could have something to do with it. notaclue
  • Score: 3

3:23pm Tue 26 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

notaclue wrote:
Difference between finishing 8th and 9th position in the EPL = £2.5m
Win the FA Cup = £1.8m
This could have something to do with it.
FA Cup winners also get a Europa League place which seems to have been branded a poison chalice since it was formed and is also rigged nicely for the bigger clubs in Europe to fall back on once they get knocked out of the CL. Not sure how much a good run in that competition is worth though.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: Difference between finishing 8th and 9th position in the EPL = £2.5m Win the FA Cup = £1.8m This could have something to do with it.[/p][/quote]FA Cup winners also get a Europa League place which seems to have been branded a poison chalice since it was formed and is also rigged nicely for the bigger clubs in Europe to fall back on once they get knocked out of the CL. Not sure how much a good run in that competition is worth though. J7junctionseven
  • Score: 1

3:48pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Poole Tom says...

notaclue wrote:
Poole Tom wrote:
notaclue wrote:
Poole Tom wrote:
notaclue wrote:
The cup should be used to get fringe players up to speed for their place in the first team, if you don't give players like Mayuka a run out now then there is no point in him being here, so play him or move him on or loan him out again. Maybe not the entire game as Pelle could do with a goal as well.
Playing fringe players in the cup is good for everyone and if we get quite far then have a re-think about making a charge for the final.
But the point is as we saw last season if you play lots of fringe players in the cups, particularly away from home, you never will get a run in the cups!
But we did get quite far in the competition and our prem safety was secure and at that point we should have taken it more seriously.
Clubs have won the cup and got relegated while doing it, lets not make that mistake.
If we played both Tadic and Morgan tonight and they both got injured playing against Milwall it would not be a price worth paying. Play Gaza in goal and if he is not good enough then get rid of him.
So your priority is the league and bugger the cups. Fair enough if that`s your opinion but it`s not mine. I want us to try and win something not just make up the numbers in the Premier League.
Prem league survival is more important than a good run in any of the cups, are you saying you would risk relegation for a good run in the Capital One Cup , fair enough if thats your opinion but it's not mine.
There has to be a balance and fringe players have to be given a chance to play at some point or there is no progression, play Targett tonight he is good enough, if we have players in our first team that are not good enough to win against a weakened Milwall team then why are they in our first team?
You can't expect to play the same 11 strongest players every match including the cups barring injury, who does that?
Obviously I don`t want us to get relegated from the Premier League. However I don`t accept that by putting out a strong team in the cup competitions Saints or any other team for that matter would by definition be putting their Premier League status in jeopardy. On the contrary a good cup run can spark an improvement in league form.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poole Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poole Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: The cup should be used to get fringe players up to speed for their place in the first team, if you don't give players like Mayuka a run out now then there is no point in him being here, so play him or move him on or loan him out again. Maybe not the entire game as Pelle could do with a goal as well. Playing fringe players in the cup is good for everyone and if we get quite far then have a re-think about making a charge for the final.[/p][/quote]But the point is as we saw last season if you play lots of fringe players in the cups, particularly away from home, you never will get a run in the cups![/p][/quote]But we did get quite far in the competition and our prem safety was secure and at that point we should have taken it more seriously. Clubs have won the cup and got relegated while doing it, lets not make that mistake. If we played both Tadic and Morgan tonight and they both got injured playing against Milwall it would not be a price worth paying. Play Gaza in goal and if he is not good enough then get rid of him.[/p][/quote]So your priority is the league and bugger the cups. Fair enough if that`s your opinion but it`s not mine. I want us to try and win something not just make up the numbers in the Premier League.[/p][/quote]Prem league survival is more important than a good run in any of the cups, are you saying you would risk relegation for a good run in the Capital One Cup , fair enough if thats your opinion but it's not mine. There has to be a balance and fringe players have to be given a chance to play at some point or there is no progression, play Targett tonight he is good enough, if we have players in our first team that are not good enough to win against a weakened Milwall team then why are they in our first team? You can't expect to play the same 11 strongest players every match including the cups barring injury, who does that?[/p][/quote]Obviously I don`t want us to get relegated from the Premier League. However I don`t accept that by putting out a strong team in the cup competitions Saints or any other team for that matter would by definition be putting their Premier League status in jeopardy. On the contrary a good cup run can spark an improvement in league form. Poole Tom
  • Score: 1

4:07pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Optimist says...

centre circle wrote:
What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?
1st time in a while I have enjoyed reading every post here.
IF as the season goes on it looks like we will not achieve a top 4 finish, IF as the season goes on it looks like we will be out of the relegation zone. Then a cup is the one thing to go for...full strength all the way.

League positions will get more cash but a trip to Wembley is priceless.

COYS!
[quote][p][bold]centre circle[/bold] wrote: What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?[/p][/quote]1st time in a while I have enjoyed reading every post here. IF as the season goes on it looks like we will not achieve a top 4 finish, IF as the season goes on it looks like we will be out of the relegation zone. Then a cup is the one thing to go for...full strength all the way. League positions will get more cash but a trip to Wembley is priceless. COYS! Optimist
  • Score: 5

4:14pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Chapperall says...

Poole Tom wrote:
Let`s face it we are never going to win the Premier League so if we don`t bother to try and win the cups then what`s the point of supporting the club?
Totally agree it was all part of the master plan to negotiate his next move. We could have gone all the way to Wembley ladt season. However Millwall will be a difficult team to beat and let's hope we don't get any injuries as we can I'll afford them at the moment. Would be nice if Pelle got a couple tonight!
[quote][p][bold]Poole Tom[/bold] wrote: Let`s face it we are never going to win the Premier League so if we don`t bother to try and win the cups then what`s the point of supporting the club?[/p][/quote]Totally agree it was all part of the master plan to negotiate his next move. We could have gone all the way to Wembley ladt season. However Millwall will be a difficult team to beat and let's hope we don't get any injuries as we can I'll afford them at the moment. Would be nice if Pelle got a couple tonight! Chapperall
  • Score: 3

4:15pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Poole Tom says...

Optimist wrote:
centre circle wrote:
What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?
1st time in a while I have enjoyed reading every post here.
IF as the season goes on it looks like we will not achieve a top 4 finish, IF as the season goes on it looks like we will be out of the relegation zone. Then a cup is the one thing to go for...full strength all the way.

League positions will get more cash but a trip to Wembley is priceless.

COYS!
Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]Optimist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]centre circle[/bold] wrote: What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?[/p][/quote]1st time in a while I have enjoyed reading every post here. IF as the season goes on it looks like we will not achieve a top 4 finish, IF as the season goes on it looks like we will be out of the relegation zone. Then a cup is the one thing to go for...full strength all the way. League positions will get more cash but a trip to Wembley is priceless. COYS![/p][/quote]Spot on. Poole Tom
  • Score: 0

4:21pm Tue 26 Aug 14

george chivers says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
centre circle wrote:
What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?
Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for?

The team was:
Davis
Clyne
Shaw
Wanyama
Yoshida
Hooivelt
Ward-Prowse
Davis
Lambert
Lallana
Do Prado

Jay Rod came on for Guly.

I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid.
It certainly wasn't the strongest 11 we could field but you're right - that team was pretty good, there has been a little re-writing of history done about this. I'm with you, we were beaten not because we fielded a weak side but because we were beaten by a better side on the day.
Good call mate.
Don't agree with that. No it wasn't a shoddy team but he did change it completely down the spine. Goalkeeper, centre backs, spiderman and Jay rod. Five key players who influence the whole team down the centre, removed from the starting line up. A few days later he said the Europa Cup wasn't worth trying for because it wasn't financially viable.

Was that his opinion or was it the board's opinion? Did MOPO and the board know what was coming at that point? Or did the board just tell him they weren't interested in the FA Cup because they new what they were going to do already at the end of the season and didn't want to qualify for the Europa Cup?

Whatever the reason it gave Sunderland a good incentive to win the game and reduced our chances of winning it and protected the manager of being accused by the FA of fielding a weakened team. Quite clever really and got the manager what he/they wanted. A defeat. And did nothing for the fans.

Here's hoping we win tonight. COYR
Agree with that George,the whole thing just didn't feel right, even Lambert's miss.
I've gotta lotta nerve!
Even the weatherman knows which way the wind blows!
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]centre circle[/bold] wrote: What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?[/p][/quote]Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for? The team was: Davis Clyne Shaw Wanyama Yoshida Hooivelt Ward-Prowse Davis Lambert Lallana Do Prado Jay Rod came on for Guly. I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]It certainly wasn't the strongest 11 we could field but you're right - that team was pretty good, there has been a little re-writing of history done about this. I'm with you, we were beaten not because we fielded a weak side but because we were beaten by a better side on the day. Good call mate.[/p][/quote]Don't agree with that. No it wasn't a shoddy team but he did change it completely down the spine. Goalkeeper, centre backs, spiderman and Jay rod. Five key players who influence the whole team down the centre, removed from the starting line up. A few days later he said the Europa Cup wasn't worth trying for because it wasn't financially viable. Was that his opinion or was it the board's opinion? Did MOPO and the board know what was coming at that point? Or did the board just tell him they weren't interested in the FA Cup because they new what they were going to do already at the end of the season and didn't want to qualify for the Europa Cup? Whatever the reason it gave Sunderland a good incentive to win the game and reduced our chances of winning it and protected the manager of being accused by the FA of fielding a weakened team. Quite clever really and got the manager what he/they wanted. A defeat. And did nothing for the fans. Here's hoping we win tonight. COYR[/p][/quote]Agree with that George,the whole thing just didn't feel right, even Lambert's miss. I've gotta lotta nerve![/p][/quote]Even the weatherman knows which way the wind blows! george chivers
  • Score: 0

4:30pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
centre circle wrote:
What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?
Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for?

The team was:
Davis
Clyne
Shaw
Wanyama
Yoshida
Hooivelt
Ward-Prowse
Davis
Lambert
Lallana
Do Prado

Jay Rod came on for Guly.

I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid.
It certainly wasn't the strongest 11 we could field but you're right - that team was pretty good, there has been a little re-writing of history done about this. I'm with you, we were beaten not because we fielded a weak side but because we were beaten by a better side on the day.
Good call mate.
Don't agree with that. No it wasn't a shoddy team but he did change it completely down the spine. Goalkeeper, centre backs, spiderman and Jay rod. Five key players who influence the whole team down the centre, removed from the starting line up. A few days later he said the Europa Cup wasn't worth trying for because it wasn't financially viable.

Was that his opinion or was it the board's opinion? Did MOPO and the board know what was coming at that point? Or did the board just tell him they weren't interested in the FA Cup because they new what they were going to do already at the end of the season and didn't want to qualify for the Europa Cup?

Whatever the reason it gave Sunderland a good incentive to win the game and reduced our chances of winning it and protected the manager of being accused by the FA of fielding a weakened team. Quite clever really and got the manager what he/they wanted. A defeat. And did nothing for the fans.

Here's hoping we win tonight. COYR
Agree with that George,the whole thing just didn't feel right, even Lambert's miss.
I've gotta lotta nerve!
Even the weatherman knows which way the wind blows!
So tonight,I'll be staying here..with Sky sports news.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]centre circle[/bold] wrote: What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?[/p][/quote]Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for? The team was: Davis Clyne Shaw Wanyama Yoshida Hooivelt Ward-Prowse Davis Lambert Lallana Do Prado Jay Rod came on for Guly. I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]It certainly wasn't the strongest 11 we could field but you're right - that team was pretty good, there has been a little re-writing of history done about this. I'm with you, we were beaten not because we fielded a weak side but because we were beaten by a better side on the day. Good call mate.[/p][/quote]Don't agree with that. No it wasn't a shoddy team but he did change it completely down the spine. Goalkeeper, centre backs, spiderman and Jay rod. Five key players who influence the whole team down the centre, removed from the starting line up. A few days later he said the Europa Cup wasn't worth trying for because it wasn't financially viable. Was that his opinion or was it the board's opinion? Did MOPO and the board know what was coming at that point? Or did the board just tell him they weren't interested in the FA Cup because they new what they were going to do already at the end of the season and didn't want to qualify for the Europa Cup? Whatever the reason it gave Sunderland a good incentive to win the game and reduced our chances of winning it and protected the manager of being accused by the FA of fielding a weakened team. Quite clever really and got the manager what he/they wanted. A defeat. And did nothing for the fans. Here's hoping we win tonight. COYR[/p][/quote]Agree with that George,the whole thing just didn't feel right, even Lambert's miss. I've gotta lotta nerve![/p][/quote]Even the weatherman knows which way the wind blows![/p][/quote]So tonight,I'll be staying here..with Sky sports news. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

4:51pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
rick0601 wrote:
I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs!

Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.
We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season.

'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that.
I don't think there's a problem with going for both cups and the league. It's easy to go on about Swansea, Wigan and the like, but it is the big teams that usually win the cups too. Maybe, we should start acting like a big club if that's what we want to be.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rick0601[/bold] wrote: I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs! Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.[/p][/quote]We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season. 'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that.[/p][/quote]I don't think there's a problem with going for both cups and the league. It's easy to go on about Swansea, Wigan and the like, but it is the big teams that usually win the cups too. Maybe, we should start acting like a big club if that's what we want to be. Rising_Son
  • Score: 2

4:53pm Tue 26 Aug 14

deepheat says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
notaclue wrote:
Difference between finishing 8th and 9th position in the EPL = £2.5m
Win the FA Cup = £1.8m
This could have something to do with it.
FA Cup winners also get a Europa League place which seems to have been branded a poison chalice since it was formed and is also rigged nicely for the bigger clubs in Europe to fall back on once they get knocked out of the CL. Not sure how much a good run in that competition is worth though.
As from 2015 the winner of the Europa League will qualify for the Champions league. I think teams like Saints, Man Utd, Everton, Spuds etc will see winning the Europa League as a backdoor to the CL.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: Difference between finishing 8th and 9th position in the EPL = £2.5m Win the FA Cup = £1.8m This could have something to do with it.[/p][/quote]FA Cup winners also get a Europa League place which seems to have been branded a poison chalice since it was formed and is also rigged nicely for the bigger clubs in Europe to fall back on once they get knocked out of the CL. Not sure how much a good run in that competition is worth though.[/p][/quote]As from 2015 the winner of the Europa League will qualify for the Champions league. I think teams like Saints, Man Utd, Everton, Spuds etc will see winning the Europa League as a backdoor to the CL. deepheat
  • Score: 3

4:57pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
rick0601 wrote:
I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs!

Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.
We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season.

'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that.
I don't think there's a problem with going for both cups and the league. It's easy to go on about Swansea, Wigan and the like, but it is the big teams that usually win the cups too. Maybe, we should start acting like a big club if that's what we want to be.
We did,up until Cortese left,but a lot of people thought that was wrong...oops,sorry,c
ontroversial!
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rick0601[/bold] wrote: I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs! Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.[/p][/quote]We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season. 'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that.[/p][/quote]I don't think there's a problem with going for both cups and the league. It's easy to go on about Swansea, Wigan and the like, but it is the big teams that usually win the cups too. Maybe, we should start acting like a big club if that's what we want to be.[/p][/quote]We did,up until Cortese left,but a lot of people thought that was wrong...oops,sorry,c ontroversial! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -2

5:14pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

What???
What??? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

5:19pm Tue 26 Aug 14

durham87saint says...

fascia123 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good article. We need to give both competitions a real go. It will help to improve the gates at league matches if adopt that attitude. COYR
Plus it will give our new guys more game time together, maybe it's because I'm old but I like the cup game especially the FA Cup.
My first match was at the Dell in 1967 the year after we where promoted. It was against wolves, we lost 2-3, Terry Paine beat the same player twice in the move, crossed and Ron Davis scored. We gave it a go and I've never looked back the spirit was there as it is today. That's what makes a club great, the spirit not the money. COYR's.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good article. We need to give both competitions a real go. It will help to improve the gates at league matches if adopt that attitude. COYR[/p][/quote]Plus it will give our new guys more game time together, maybe it's because I'm old but I like the cup game especially the FA Cup.[/p][/quote]My first match was at the Dell in 1967 the year after we where promoted. It was against wolves, we lost 2-3, Terry Paine beat the same player twice in the move, crossed and Ron Davis scored. We gave it a go and I've never looked back the spirit was there as it is today. That's what makes a club great, the spirit not the money. COYR's. durham87saint
  • Score: 5

5:22pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Beer Monster says...

deepheat wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
notaclue wrote:
Difference between finishing 8th and 9th position in the EPL = £2.5m
Win the FA Cup = £1.8m
This could have something to do with it.
FA Cup winners also get a Europa League place which seems to have been branded a poison chalice since it was formed and is also rigged nicely for the bigger clubs in Europe to fall back on once they get knocked out of the CL. Not sure how much a good run in that competition is worth though.
As from 2015 the winner of the Europa League will qualify for the Champions league. I think teams like Saints, Man Utd, Everton, Spuds etc will see winning the Europa League as a backdoor to the CL.
Agreed. Besides, I quite enjoy thursday evenings watching the Europa League games in the pubs on the way back from work. Used to turn the weekend into a three day bender when I was single :)
[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: Difference between finishing 8th and 9th position in the EPL = £2.5m Win the FA Cup = £1.8m This could have something to do with it.[/p][/quote]FA Cup winners also get a Europa League place which seems to have been branded a poison chalice since it was formed and is also rigged nicely for the bigger clubs in Europe to fall back on once they get knocked out of the CL. Not sure how much a good run in that competition is worth though.[/p][/quote]As from 2015 the winner of the Europa League will qualify for the Champions league. I think teams like Saints, Man Utd, Everton, Spuds etc will see winning the Europa League as a backdoor to the CL.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Besides, I quite enjoy thursday evenings watching the Europa League games in the pubs on the way back from work. Used to turn the weekend into a three day bender when I was single :) Beer Monster
  • Score: 2

5:23pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

durham87saint wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good article. We need to give both competitions a real go. It will help to improve the gates at league matches if adopt that attitude. COYR
Plus it will give our new guys more game time together, maybe it's because I'm old but I like the cup game especially the FA Cup.
My first match was at the Dell in 1967 the year after we where promoted. It was against wolves, we lost 2-3, Terry Paine beat the same player twice in the move, crossed and Ron Davis scored. We gave it a go and I've never looked back the spirit was there as it is today. That's what makes a club great, the spirit not the money. COYR's.
And who will ever forget a certain Hughie Fisher,getting an equaliser against Aston Villa,in 1976!
[quote][p][bold]durham87saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good article. We need to give both competitions a real go. It will help to improve the gates at league matches if adopt that attitude. COYR[/p][/quote]Plus it will give our new guys more game time together, maybe it's because I'm old but I like the cup game especially the FA Cup.[/p][/quote]My first match was at the Dell in 1967 the year after we where promoted. It was against wolves, we lost 2-3, Terry Paine beat the same player twice in the move, crossed and Ron Davis scored. We gave it a go and I've never looked back the spirit was there as it is today. That's what makes a club great, the spirit not the money. COYR's.[/p][/quote]And who will ever forget a certain Hughie Fisher,getting an equaliser against Aston Villa,in 1976! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 3

5:26pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
durham87saint wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good article. We need to give both competitions a real go. It will help to improve the gates at league matches if adopt that attitude. COYR
Plus it will give our new guys more game time together, maybe it's because I'm old but I like the cup game especially the FA Cup.
My first match was at the Dell in 1967 the year after we where promoted. It was against wolves, we lost 2-3, Terry Paine beat the same player twice in the move, crossed and Ron Davis scored. We gave it a go and I've never looked back the spirit was there as it is today. That's what makes a club great, the spirit not the money. COYR's.
And who will ever forget a certain Hughie Fisher,getting an equaliser against Aston Villa,in 1976!
Or the comeback from three nil down against Forest in 1963.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]durham87saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good article. We need to give both competitions a real go. It will help to improve the gates at league matches if adopt that attitude. COYR[/p][/quote]Plus it will give our new guys more game time together, maybe it's because I'm old but I like the cup game especially the FA Cup.[/p][/quote]My first match was at the Dell in 1967 the year after we where promoted. It was against wolves, we lost 2-3, Terry Paine beat the same player twice in the move, crossed and Ron Davis scored. We gave it a go and I've never looked back the spirit was there as it is today. That's what makes a club great, the spirit not the money. COYR's.[/p][/quote]And who will ever forget a certain Hughie Fisher,getting an equaliser against Aston Villa,in 1976![/p][/quote]Or the comeback from three nil down against Forest in 1963. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

5:31pm Tue 26 Aug 14

mack chinnon says...

Call me old fashioned but I would rather win the F.A. cup than the Champions league.
Call me old fashioned but I would rather win the F.A. cup than the Champions league. mack chinnon
  • Score: 1

5:36pm Tue 26 Aug 14

echo1948 says...

Poole Tom wrote:
notaclue wrote:
Poole Tom wrote:
notaclue wrote:
Poole Tom wrote:
notaclue wrote:
The cup should be used to get fringe players up to speed for their place in the first team, if you don't give players like Mayuka a run out now then there is no point in him being here, so play him or move him on or loan him out again. Maybe not the entire game as Pelle could do with a goal as well.
Playing fringe players in the cup is good for everyone and if we get quite far then have a re-think about making a charge for the final.
But the point is as we saw last season if you play lots of fringe players in the cups, particularly away from home, you never will get a run in the cups!
But we did get quite far in the competition and our prem safety was secure and at that point we should have taken it more seriously.
Clubs have won the cup and got relegated while doing it, lets not make that mistake.
If we played both Tadic and Morgan tonight and they both got injured playing against Milwall it would not be a price worth paying. Play Gaza in goal and if he is not good enough then get rid of him.
So your priority is the league and bugger the cups. Fair enough if that`s your opinion but it`s not mine. I want us to try and win something not just make up the numbers in the Premier League.
Prem league survival is more important than a good run in any of the cups, are you saying you would risk relegation for a good run in the Capital One Cup , fair enough if thats your opinion but it's not mine.
There has to be a balance and fringe players have to be given a chance to play at some point or there is no progression, play Targett tonight he is good enough, if we have players in our first team that are not good enough to win against a weakened Milwall team then why are they in our first team?
You can't expect to play the same 11 strongest players every match including the cups barring injury, who does that?
Obviously I don`t want us to get relegated from the Premier League. However I don`t accept that by putting out a strong team in the cup competitions Saints or any other team for that matter would by definition be putting their Premier League status in jeopardy. On the contrary a good cup run can spark an improvement in league form.
How about Wigan back in 2012?
[quote][p][bold]Poole Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poole Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poole Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: The cup should be used to get fringe players up to speed for their place in the first team, if you don't give players like Mayuka a run out now then there is no point in him being here, so play him or move him on or loan him out again. Maybe not the entire game as Pelle could do with a goal as well. Playing fringe players in the cup is good for everyone and if we get quite far then have a re-think about making a charge for the final.[/p][/quote]But the point is as we saw last season if you play lots of fringe players in the cups, particularly away from home, you never will get a run in the cups![/p][/quote]But we did get quite far in the competition and our prem safety was secure and at that point we should have taken it more seriously. Clubs have won the cup and got relegated while doing it, lets not make that mistake. If we played both Tadic and Morgan tonight and they both got injured playing against Milwall it would not be a price worth paying. Play Gaza in goal and if he is not good enough then get rid of him.[/p][/quote]So your priority is the league and bugger the cups. Fair enough if that`s your opinion but it`s not mine. I want us to try and win something not just make up the numbers in the Premier League.[/p][/quote]Prem league survival is more important than a good run in any of the cups, are you saying you would risk relegation for a good run in the Capital One Cup , fair enough if thats your opinion but it's not mine. There has to be a balance and fringe players have to be given a chance to play at some point or there is no progression, play Targett tonight he is good enough, if we have players in our first team that are not good enough to win against a weakened Milwall team then why are they in our first team? You can't expect to play the same 11 strongest players every match including the cups barring injury, who does that?[/p][/quote]Obviously I don`t want us to get relegated from the Premier League. However I don`t accept that by putting out a strong team in the cup competitions Saints or any other team for that matter would by definition be putting their Premier League status in jeopardy. On the contrary a good cup run can spark an improvement in league form.[/p][/quote]How about Wigan back in 2012? echo1948
  • Score: 0

6:14pm Tue 26 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

durham87saint wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good article. We need to give both competitions a real go. It will help to improve the gates at league matches if adopt that attitude. COYR
Plus it will give our new guys more game time together, maybe it's because I'm old but I like the cup game especially the FA Cup.
My first match was at the Dell in 1967 the year after we where promoted. It was against wolves, we lost 2-3, Terry Paine beat the same player twice in the move, crossed and Ron Davis scored. We gave it a go and I've never looked back the spirit was there as it is today. That's what makes a club great, the spirit not the money. COYR's.
Long time ago, but my first game was against Wolves I thought it was 68 will have to get to my mothers and see if they still have the program, I can remember RD and TP but can't remember the score.
[quote][p][bold]durham87saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good article. We need to give both competitions a real go. It will help to improve the gates at league matches if adopt that attitude. COYR[/p][/quote]Plus it will give our new guys more game time together, maybe it's because I'm old but I like the cup game especially the FA Cup.[/p][/quote]My first match was at the Dell in 1967 the year after we where promoted. It was against wolves, we lost 2-3, Terry Paine beat the same player twice in the move, crossed and Ron Davis scored. We gave it a go and I've never looked back the spirit was there as it is today. That's what makes a club great, the spirit not the money. COYR's.[/p][/quote]Long time ago, but my first game was against Wolves I thought it was 68 will have to get to my mothers and see if they still have the program, I can remember RD and TP but can't remember the score. fascia123
  • Score: 0

6:14pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Littleton-Saint says...

mack chinnon wrote:
Call me old fashioned but I would rather win the F.A. cup than the Champions league.
I agree. For the fans the CL is like watching paint dry. It would be more exciting if it were a cup knock-out competition like it once was during the golden age of football back in the 70s and 80s. A cup run would be good for us. It's unlikely that we'll win the Prem this year unless Pelle starts finding the net sine time soon, so ket's go fir the cups and start filling the trophy cabinet.
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: Call me old fashioned but I would rather win the F.A. cup than the Champions league.[/p][/quote]I agree. For the fans the CL is like watching paint dry. It would be more exciting if it were a cup knock-out competition like it once was during the golden age of football back in the 70s and 80s. A cup run would be good for us. It's unlikely that we'll win the Prem this year unless Pelle starts finding the net sine time soon, so ket's go fir the cups and start filling the trophy cabinet. Littleton-Saint
  • Score: 0

6:14pm Tue 26 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
centre circle wrote:
What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?
Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for?

The team was:
Davis
Clyne
Shaw
Wanyama
Yoshida
Hooivelt
Ward-Prowse
Davis
Lambert
Lallana
Do Prado

Jay Rod came on for Guly.

I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid.
It certainly wasn't the strongest 11 we could field but you're right - that team was pretty good, there has been a little re-writing of history done about this. I'm with you, we were beaten not because we fielded a weak side but because we were beaten by a better side on the day.
Good call mate.
Don't agree with that. No it wasn't a shoddy team but he did change it completely down the spine. Goalkeeper, centre backs, spiderman and Jay rod. Five key players who influence the whole team down the centre, removed from the starting line up. A few days later he said the Europa Cup wasn't worth trying for because it wasn't financially viable.

Was that his opinion or was it the board's opinion? Did MOPO and the board know what was coming at that point? Or did the board just tell him they weren't interested in the FA Cup because they new what they were going to do already at the end of the season and didn't want to qualify for the Europa Cup?

Whatever the reason it gave Sunderland a good incentive to win the game and reduced our chances of winning it and protected the manager of being accused by the FA of fielding a weakened team. Quite clever really and got the manager what he/they wanted. A defeat. And did nothing for the fans.

Here's hoping we win tonight. COYR
Agree with that George,the whole thing just didn't feel right, even Lambert's miss.
I've gotta lotta nerve!
Even the weatherman knows which way the wind blows!
So tonight,I'll be staying here..with Sky sports news.
Do you think Rickie threw the game on someone's orders?
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]centre circle[/bold] wrote: What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?[/p][/quote]Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for? The team was: Davis Clyne Shaw Wanyama Yoshida Hooivelt Ward-Prowse Davis Lambert Lallana Do Prado Jay Rod came on for Guly. I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]It certainly wasn't the strongest 11 we could field but you're right - that team was pretty good, there has been a little re-writing of history done about this. I'm with you, we were beaten not because we fielded a weak side but because we were beaten by a better side on the day. Good call mate.[/p][/quote]Don't agree with that. No it wasn't a shoddy team but he did change it completely down the spine. Goalkeeper, centre backs, spiderman and Jay rod. Five key players who influence the whole team down the centre, removed from the starting line up. A few days later he said the Europa Cup wasn't worth trying for because it wasn't financially viable. Was that his opinion or was it the board's opinion? Did MOPO and the board know what was coming at that point? Or did the board just tell him they weren't interested in the FA Cup because they new what they were going to do already at the end of the season and didn't want to qualify for the Europa Cup? Whatever the reason it gave Sunderland a good incentive to win the game and reduced our chances of winning it and protected the manager of being accused by the FA of fielding a weakened team. Quite clever really and got the manager what he/they wanted. A defeat. And did nothing for the fans. Here's hoping we win tonight. COYR[/p][/quote]Agree with that George,the whole thing just didn't feel right, even Lambert's miss. I've gotta lotta nerve![/p][/quote]Even the weatherman knows which way the wind blows![/p][/quote]So tonight,I'll be staying here..with Sky sports news.[/p][/quote]Do you think Rickie threw the game on someone's orders? jls217
  • Score: 0

6:16pm Tue 26 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
durham87saint wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good article. We need to give both competitions a real go. It will help to improve the gates at league matches if adopt that attitude. COYR
Plus it will give our new guys more game time together, maybe it's because I'm old but I like the cup game especially the FA Cup.
My first match was at the Dell in 1967 the year after we where promoted. It was against wolves, we lost 2-3, Terry Paine beat the same player twice in the move, crossed and Ron Davis scored. We gave it a go and I've never looked back the spirit was there as it is today. That's what makes a club great, the spirit not the money. COYR's.
And who will ever forget a certain Hughie Fisher,getting an equaliser against Aston Villa,in 1976!
Or the comeback from three nil down against Forest in 1963.
Bit early for me
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]durham87saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good article. We need to give both competitions a real go. It will help to improve the gates at league matches if adopt that attitude. COYR[/p][/quote]Plus it will give our new guys more game time together, maybe it's because I'm old but I like the cup game especially the FA Cup.[/p][/quote]My first match was at the Dell in 1967 the year after we where promoted. It was against wolves, we lost 2-3, Terry Paine beat the same player twice in the move, crossed and Ron Davis scored. We gave it a go and I've never looked back the spirit was there as it is today. That's what makes a club great, the spirit not the money. COYR's.[/p][/quote]And who will ever forget a certain Hughie Fisher,getting an equaliser against Aston Villa,in 1976![/p][/quote]Or the comeback from three nil down against Forest in 1963.[/p][/quote]Bit early for me fascia123
  • Score: 0

6:19pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

jls217 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
centre circle wrote:
What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?
Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for?

The team was:
Davis
Clyne
Shaw
Wanyama
Yoshida
Hooivelt
Ward-Prowse
Davis
Lambert
Lallana
Do Prado

Jay Rod came on for Guly.

I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid.
It certainly wasn't the strongest 11 we could field but you're right - that team was pretty good, there has been a little re-writing of history done about this. I'm with you, we were beaten not because we fielded a weak side but because we were beaten by a better side on the day.
Good call mate.
Don't agree with that. No it wasn't a shoddy team but he did change it completely down the spine. Goalkeeper, centre backs, spiderman and Jay rod. Five key players who influence the whole team down the centre, removed from the starting line up. A few days later he said the Europa Cup wasn't worth trying for because it wasn't financially viable.

Was that his opinion or was it the board's opinion? Did MOPO and the board know what was coming at that point? Or did the board just tell him they weren't interested in the FA Cup because they new what they were going to do already at the end of the season and didn't want to qualify for the Europa Cup?

Whatever the reason it gave Sunderland a good incentive to win the game and reduced our chances of winning it and protected the manager of being accused by the FA of fielding a weakened team. Quite clever really and got the manager what he/they wanted. A defeat. And did nothing for the fans.

Here's hoping we win tonight. COYR
Agree with that George,the whole thing just didn't feel right, even Lambert's miss.
I've gotta lotta nerve!
Even the weatherman knows which way the wind blows!
So tonight,I'll be staying here..with Sky sports news.
Do you think Rickie threw the game on someone's orders?
Who knows,which wy the wind blows?
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]centre circle[/bold] wrote: What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?[/p][/quote]Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for? The team was: Davis Clyne Shaw Wanyama Yoshida Hooivelt Ward-Prowse Davis Lambert Lallana Do Prado Jay Rod came on for Guly. I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]It certainly wasn't the strongest 11 we could field but you're right - that team was pretty good, there has been a little re-writing of history done about this. I'm with you, we were beaten not because we fielded a weak side but because we were beaten by a better side on the day. Good call mate.[/p][/quote]Don't agree with that. No it wasn't a shoddy team but he did change it completely down the spine. Goalkeeper, centre backs, spiderman and Jay rod. Five key players who influence the whole team down the centre, removed from the starting line up. A few days later he said the Europa Cup wasn't worth trying for because it wasn't financially viable. Was that his opinion or was it the board's opinion? Did MOPO and the board know what was coming at that point? Or did the board just tell him they weren't interested in the FA Cup because they new what they were going to do already at the end of the season and didn't want to qualify for the Europa Cup? Whatever the reason it gave Sunderland a good incentive to win the game and reduced our chances of winning it and protected the manager of being accused by the FA of fielding a weakened team. Quite clever really and got the manager what he/they wanted. A defeat. And did nothing for the fans. Here's hoping we win tonight. COYR[/p][/quote]Agree with that George,the whole thing just didn't feel right, even Lambert's miss. I've gotta lotta nerve![/p][/quote]Even the weatherman knows which way the wind blows![/p][/quote]So tonight,I'll be staying here..with Sky sports news.[/p][/quote]Do you think Rickie threw the game on someone's orders?[/p][/quote]Who knows,which wy the wind blows? Positively4thStreet
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6:21pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
rick0601 wrote:
I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs!

Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.
We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season.

'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that.
I don't think there's a problem with going for both cups and the league. It's easy to go on about Swansea, Wigan and the like, but it is the big teams that usually win the cups too. Maybe, we should start acting like a big club if that's what we want to be.
We did,up until Cortese left,but a lot of people thought that was wrong...oops,sorry,c

ontroversial!
Agree with both of you. The happy clappers have now moved their conspiracy theory on to MoPo deliberately threw the cup even down to the fine detail that Rickie deliberately missed his chance. This is where they lose all credibility for me. The cup was certainly not MoPo's priority but it would have looked good on his CV and as for Rickie, well he's a consummate professional and would never miss on purpose.

By the time we played Sunderland in the FA cup they were already in the League cup final and their Prem survival was looking perilous. They did not target that match but we failed to turn up so they won.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rick0601[/bold] wrote: I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs! Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.[/p][/quote]We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season. 'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that.[/p][/quote]I don't think there's a problem with going for both cups and the league. It's easy to go on about Swansea, Wigan and the like, but it is the big teams that usually win the cups too. Maybe, we should start acting like a big club if that's what we want to be.[/p][/quote]We did,up until Cortese left,but a lot of people thought that was wrong...oops,sorry,c ontroversial![/p][/quote]Agree with both of you. The happy clappers have now moved their conspiracy theory on to MoPo deliberately threw the cup even down to the fine detail that Rickie deliberately missed his chance. This is where they lose all credibility for me. The cup was certainly not MoPo's priority but it would have looked good on his CV and as for Rickie, well he's a consummate professional and would never miss on purpose. By the time we played Sunderland in the FA cup they were already in the League cup final and their Prem survival was looking perilous. They did not target that match but we failed to turn up so they won. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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6:26pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Littleton-Saint wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
Call me old fashioned but I would rather win the F.A. cup than the Champions league.
I agree. For the fans the CL is like watching paint dry. It would be more exciting if it were a cup knock-out competition like it once was during the golden age of football back in the 70s and 80s. A cup run would be good for us. It's unlikely that we'll win the Prem this year unless Pelle starts finding the net sine time soon, so ket's go fir the cups and start filling the trophy cabinet.
Yep. So many see Prem survival as the be all and end all. I don't. Would I trade our 27 year run in the top flight for say 20 years and a cup or 10 years and a league title and cup? Yes I would. Ultimately it comes down to winning things as those pesky skates keep telling us.
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: Call me old fashioned but I would rather win the F.A. cup than the Champions league.[/p][/quote]I agree. For the fans the CL is like watching paint dry. It would be more exciting if it were a cup knock-out competition like it once was during the golden age of football back in the 70s and 80s. A cup run would be good for us. It's unlikely that we'll win the Prem this year unless Pelle starts finding the net sine time soon, so ket's go fir the cups and start filling the trophy cabinet.[/p][/quote]Yep. So many see Prem survival as the be all and end all. I don't. Would I trade our 27 year run in the top flight for say 20 years and a cup or 10 years and a league title and cup? Yes I would. Ultimately it comes down to winning things as those pesky skates keep telling us. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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6:32pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
rick0601 wrote:
I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs!

Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.
We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season.

'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that.
I don't think there's a problem with going for both cups and the league. It's easy to go on about Swansea, Wigan and the like, but it is the big teams that usually win the cups too. Maybe, we should start acting like a big club if that's what we want to be.
We did,up until Cortese left,but a lot of people thought that was wrong...oops,sorry,c


ontroversial!
Agree with both of you. The happy clappers have now moved their conspiracy theory on to MoPo deliberately threw the cup even down to the fine detail that Rickie deliberately missed his chance. This is where they lose all credibility for me. The cup was certainly not MoPo's priority but it would have looked good on his CV and as for Rickie, well he's a consummate professional and would never miss on purpose.

By the time we played Sunderland in the FA cup they were already in the League cup final and their Prem survival was looking perilous. They did not target that match but we failed to turn up so they won.
I've promised fascia I'd say no more on the matter..plus Kirsty Gallagher's on Sky Sports News at the mo,an'Ive gone all funny.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rick0601[/bold] wrote: I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs! Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.[/p][/quote]We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season. 'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that.[/p][/quote]I don't think there's a problem with going for both cups and the league. It's easy to go on about Swansea, Wigan and the like, but it is the big teams that usually win the cups too. Maybe, we should start acting like a big club if that's what we want to be.[/p][/quote]We did,up until Cortese left,but a lot of people thought that was wrong...oops,sorry,c ontroversial![/p][/quote]Agree with both of you. The happy clappers have now moved their conspiracy theory on to MoPo deliberately threw the cup even down to the fine detail that Rickie deliberately missed his chance. This is where they lose all credibility for me. The cup was certainly not MoPo's priority but it would have looked good on his CV and as for Rickie, well he's a consummate professional and would never miss on purpose. By the time we played Sunderland in the FA cup they were already in the League cup final and their Prem survival was looking perilous. They did not target that match but we failed to turn up so they won.[/p][/quote]I've promised fascia I'd say no more on the matter..plus Kirsty Gallagher's on Sky Sports News at the mo,an'Ive gone all funny. Positively4thStreet
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6:40pm Tue 26 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
rick0601 wrote:
I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs!

Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.
We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season.

'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that.
I don't think there's a problem with going for both cups and the league. It's easy to go on about Swansea, Wigan and the like, but it is the big teams that usually win the cups too. Maybe, we should start acting like a big club if that's what we want to be.
We did,up until Cortese left,but a lot of people thought that was wrong...oops,sorry,c



ontroversial!
Agree with both of you. The happy clappers have now moved their conspiracy theory on to MoPo deliberately threw the cup even down to the fine detail that Rickie deliberately missed his chance. This is where they lose all credibility for me. The cup was certainly not MoPo's priority but it would have looked good on his CV and as for Rickie, well he's a consummate professional and would never miss on purpose.

By the time we played Sunderland in the FA cup they were already in the League cup final and their Prem survival was looking perilous. They did not target that match but we failed to turn up so they won.
I've promised fascia I'd say no more on the matter..plus Kirsty Gallagher's on Sky Sports News at the mo,an'Ive gone all funny.
What have I done/said now?
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rick0601[/bold] wrote: I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs! Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.[/p][/quote]We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season. 'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that.[/p][/quote]I don't think there's a problem with going for both cups and the league. It's easy to go on about Swansea, Wigan and the like, but it is the big teams that usually win the cups too. Maybe, we should start acting like a big club if that's what we want to be.[/p][/quote]We did,up until Cortese left,but a lot of people thought that was wrong...oops,sorry,c ontroversial![/p][/quote]Agree with both of you. The happy clappers have now moved their conspiracy theory on to MoPo deliberately threw the cup even down to the fine detail that Rickie deliberately missed his chance. This is where they lose all credibility for me. The cup was certainly not MoPo's priority but it would have looked good on his CV and as for Rickie, well he's a consummate professional and would never miss on purpose. By the time we played Sunderland in the FA cup they were already in the League cup final and their Prem survival was looking perilous. They did not target that match but we failed to turn up so they won.[/p][/quote]I've promised fascia I'd say no more on the matter..plus Kirsty Gallagher's on Sky Sports News at the mo,an'Ive gone all funny.[/p][/quote]What have I done/said now? fascia123
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6:41pm Tue 26 Aug 14

george chivers says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
durham87saint wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good article. We need to give both competitions a real go. It will help to improve the gates at league matches if adopt that attitude. COYR
Plus it will give our new guys more game time together, maybe it's because I'm old but I like the cup game especially the FA Cup.
My first match was at the Dell in 1967 the year after we where promoted. It was against wolves, we lost 2-3, Terry Paine beat the same player twice in the move, crossed and Ron Davis scored. We gave it a go and I've never looked back the spirit was there as it is today. That's what makes a club great, the spirit not the money. COYR's.
And who will ever forget a certain Hughie Fisher,getting an equaliser against Aston Villa,in 1976!
Or the comeback from three nil down against Forest in 1963.
And the 5-1 win at White Hart Lane in the second reply when George Kirby sorted out Peter Grummit. I climbed up a floodlight pylon to get a better view.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]durham87saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good article. We need to give both competitions a real go. It will help to improve the gates at league matches if adopt that attitude. COYR[/p][/quote]Plus it will give our new guys more game time together, maybe it's because I'm old but I like the cup game especially the FA Cup.[/p][/quote]My first match was at the Dell in 1967 the year after we where promoted. It was against wolves, we lost 2-3, Terry Paine beat the same player twice in the move, crossed and Ron Davis scored. We gave it a go and I've never looked back the spirit was there as it is today. That's what makes a club great, the spirit not the money. COYR's.[/p][/quote]And who will ever forget a certain Hughie Fisher,getting an equaliser against Aston Villa,in 1976![/p][/quote]Or the comeback from three nil down against Forest in 1963.[/p][/quote]And the 5-1 win at White Hart Lane in the second reply when George Kirby sorted out Peter Grummit. I climbed up a floodlight pylon to get a better view. george chivers
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6:47pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
rick0601 wrote:
I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs!

Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.
We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season.

'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that.
I don't think there's a problem with going for both cups and the league. It's easy to go on about Swansea, Wigan and the like, but it is the big teams that usually win the cups too. Maybe, we should start acting like a big club if that's what we want to be.
We did,up until Cortese left,but a lot of people thought that was wrong...oops,sorry,c




ontroversial!
Agree with both of you. The happy clappers have now moved their conspiracy theory on to MoPo deliberately threw the cup even down to the fine detail that Rickie deliberately missed his chance. This is where they lose all credibility for me. The cup was certainly not MoPo's priority but it would have looked good on his CV and as for Rickie, well he's a consummate professional and would never miss on purpose.

By the time we played Sunderland in the FA cup they were already in the League cup final and their Prem survival was looking perilous. They did not target that match but we failed to turn up so they won.
I've promised fascia I'd say no more on the matter..plus Kirsty Gallagher's on Sky Sports News at the mo,an'Ive gone all funny.
What have I done/said now?
Your conspiracy theory? That night had a lot going for it,although I don't buy it myself. Roll on Rickie's biog!
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rick0601[/bold] wrote: I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs! Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.[/p][/quote]We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season. 'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that.[/p][/quote]I don't think there's a problem with going for both cups and the league. It's easy to go on about Swansea, Wigan and the like, but it is the big teams that usually win the cups too. Maybe, we should start acting like a big club if that's what we want to be.[/p][/quote]We did,up until Cortese left,but a lot of people thought that was wrong...oops,sorry,c ontroversial![/p][/quote]Agree with both of you. The happy clappers have now moved their conspiracy theory on to MoPo deliberately threw the cup even down to the fine detail that Rickie deliberately missed his chance. This is where they lose all credibility for me. The cup was certainly not MoPo's priority but it would have looked good on his CV and as for Rickie, well he's a consummate professional and would never miss on purpose. By the time we played Sunderland in the FA cup they were already in the League cup final and their Prem survival was looking perilous. They did not target that match but we failed to turn up so they won.[/p][/quote]I've promised fascia I'd say no more on the matter..plus Kirsty Gallagher's on Sky Sports News at the mo,an'Ive gone all funny.[/p][/quote]What have I done/said now?[/p][/quote]Your conspiracy theory? That night had a lot going for it,although I don't buy it myself. Roll on Rickie's biog! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

6:53pm Tue 26 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
rick0601 wrote:
I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs!

Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.
We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season.

'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that.
I don't think there's a problem with going for both cups and the league. It's easy to go on about Swansea, Wigan and the like, but it is the big teams that usually win the cups too. Maybe, we should start acting like a big club if that's what we want to be.
We did,up until Cortese left,but a lot of people thought that was wrong...oops,sorry,c





ontroversial!
Agree with both of you. The happy clappers have now moved their conspiracy theory on to MoPo deliberately threw the cup even down to the fine detail that Rickie deliberately missed his chance. This is where they lose all credibility for me. The cup was certainly not MoPo's priority but it would have looked good on his CV and as for Rickie, well he's a consummate professional and would never miss on purpose.

By the time we played Sunderland in the FA cup they were already in the League cup final and their Prem survival was looking perilous. They did not target that match but we failed to turn up so they won.
I've promised fascia I'd say no more on the matter..plus Kirsty Gallagher's on Sky Sports News at the mo,an'Ive gone all funny.
What have I done/said now?
Your conspiracy theory? That night had a lot going for it,although I don't buy it myself. Roll on Rickie's biog!
That negativity towards my theory will come back and bite you when the truth comes out.

I would of thought it will be in Shaws autobiography, surely at his ripe old age that should be out in the next 12 months.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rick0601[/bold] wrote: I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs! Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.[/p][/quote]We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season. 'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that.[/p][/quote]I don't think there's a problem with going for both cups and the league. It's easy to go on about Swansea, Wigan and the like, but it is the big teams that usually win the cups too. Maybe, we should start acting like a big club if that's what we want to be.[/p][/quote]We did,up until Cortese left,but a lot of people thought that was wrong...oops,sorry,c ontroversial![/p][/quote]Agree with both of you. The happy clappers have now moved their conspiracy theory on to MoPo deliberately threw the cup even down to the fine detail that Rickie deliberately missed his chance. This is where they lose all credibility for me. The cup was certainly not MoPo's priority but it would have looked good on his CV and as for Rickie, well he's a consummate professional and would never miss on purpose. By the time we played Sunderland in the FA cup they were already in the League cup final and their Prem survival was looking perilous. They did not target that match but we failed to turn up so they won.[/p][/quote]I've promised fascia I'd say no more on the matter..plus Kirsty Gallagher's on Sky Sports News at the mo,an'Ive gone all funny.[/p][/quote]What have I done/said now?[/p][/quote]Your conspiracy theory? That night had a lot going for it,although I don't buy it myself. Roll on Rickie's biog![/p][/quote]That negativity towards my theory will come back and bite you when the truth comes out. I would of thought it will be in Shaws autobiography, surely at his ripe old age that should be out in the next 12 months. fascia123
  • Score: 1

6:59pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
rick0601 wrote:
I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs!

Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.
We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season.

'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that.
I don't think there's a problem with going for both cups and the league. It's easy to go on about Swansea, Wigan and the like, but it is the big teams that usually win the cups too. Maybe, we should start acting like a big club if that's what we want to be.
We did,up until Cortese left,but a lot of people thought that was wrong...oops,sorry,c






ontroversial!
Agree with both of you. The happy clappers have now moved their conspiracy theory on to MoPo deliberately threw the cup even down to the fine detail that Rickie deliberately missed his chance. This is where they lose all credibility for me. The cup was certainly not MoPo's priority but it would have looked good on his CV and as for Rickie, well he's a consummate professional and would never miss on purpose.

By the time we played Sunderland in the FA cup they were already in the League cup final and their Prem survival was looking perilous. They did not target that match but we failed to turn up so they won.
I've promised fascia I'd say no more on the matter..plus Kirsty Gallagher's on Sky Sports News at the mo,an'Ive gone all funny.
What have I done/said now?
Your conspiracy theory? That night had a lot going for it,although I don't buy it myself. Roll on Rickie's biog!
That negativity towards my theory will come back and bite you when the truth comes out.

I would of thought it will be in Shaws autobiography, surely at his ripe old age that should be out in the next 12 months.
Have they found a ghost writer yet ?
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rick0601[/bold] wrote: I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs! Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.[/p][/quote]We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season. 'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that.[/p][/quote]I don't think there's a problem with going for both cups and the league. It's easy to go on about Swansea, Wigan and the like, but it is the big teams that usually win the cups too. Maybe, we should start acting like a big club if that's what we want to be.[/p][/quote]We did,up until Cortese left,but a lot of people thought that was wrong...oops,sorry,c ontroversial![/p][/quote]Agree with both of you. The happy clappers have now moved their conspiracy theory on to MoPo deliberately threw the cup even down to the fine detail that Rickie deliberately missed his chance. This is where they lose all credibility for me. The cup was certainly not MoPo's priority but it would have looked good on his CV and as for Rickie, well he's a consummate professional and would never miss on purpose. By the time we played Sunderland in the FA cup they were already in the League cup final and their Prem survival was looking perilous. They did not target that match but we failed to turn up so they won.[/p][/quote]I've promised fascia I'd say no more on the matter..plus Kirsty Gallagher's on Sky Sports News at the mo,an'Ive gone all funny.[/p][/quote]What have I done/said now?[/p][/quote]Your conspiracy theory? That night had a lot going for it,although I don't buy it myself. Roll on Rickie's biog![/p][/quote]That negativity towards my theory will come back and bite you when the truth comes out. I would of thought it will be in Shaws autobiography, surely at his ripe old age that should be out in the next 12 months.[/p][/quote]Have they found a ghost writer yet ? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

7:05pm Tue 26 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
rick0601 wrote:
I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs!

Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.
We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season.

'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that.
I don't think there's a problem with going for both cups and the league. It's easy to go on about Swansea, Wigan and the like, but it is the big teams that usually win the cups too. Maybe, we should start acting like a big club if that's what we want to be.
We did,up until Cortese left,but a lot of people thought that was wrong...oops,sorry,c







ontroversial!
Agree with both of you. The happy clappers have now moved their conspiracy theory on to MoPo deliberately threw the cup even down to the fine detail that Rickie deliberately missed his chance. This is where they lose all credibility for me. The cup was certainly not MoPo's priority but it would have looked good on his CV and as for Rickie, well he's a consummate professional and would never miss on purpose.

By the time we played Sunderland in the FA cup they were already in the League cup final and their Prem survival was looking perilous. They did not target that match but we failed to turn up so they won.
I've promised fascia I'd say no more on the matter..plus Kirsty Gallagher's on Sky Sports News at the mo,an'Ive gone all funny.
What have I done/said now?
Your conspiracy theory? That night had a lot going for it,although I don't buy it myself. Roll on Rickie's biog!
That negativity towards my theory will come back and bite you when the truth comes out.

I would of thought it will be in Shaws autobiography, surely at his ripe old age that should be out in the next 12 months.
Have they found a ghost writer yet ?
Benali has agreed to write the two page epic while on his charity raising stint.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rick0601[/bold] wrote: I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs! Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.[/p][/quote]We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season. 'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that.[/p][/quote]I don't think there's a problem with going for both cups and the league. It's easy to go on about Swansea, Wigan and the like, but it is the big teams that usually win the cups too. Maybe, we should start acting like a big club if that's what we want to be.[/p][/quote]We did,up until Cortese left,but a lot of people thought that was wrong...oops,sorry,c ontroversial![/p][/quote]Agree with both of you. The happy clappers have now moved their conspiracy theory on to MoPo deliberately threw the cup even down to the fine detail that Rickie deliberately missed his chance. This is where they lose all credibility for me. The cup was certainly not MoPo's priority but it would have looked good on his CV and as for Rickie, well he's a consummate professional and would never miss on purpose. By the time we played Sunderland in the FA cup they were already in the League cup final and their Prem survival was looking perilous. They did not target that match but we failed to turn up so they won.[/p][/quote]I've promised fascia I'd say no more on the matter..plus Kirsty Gallagher's on Sky Sports News at the mo,an'Ive gone all funny.[/p][/quote]What have I done/said now?[/p][/quote]Your conspiracy theory? That night had a lot going for it,although I don't buy it myself. Roll on Rickie's biog![/p][/quote]That negativity towards my theory will come back and bite you when the truth comes out. I would of thought it will be in Shaws autobiography, surely at his ripe old age that should be out in the next 12 months.[/p][/quote]Have they found a ghost writer yet ?[/p][/quote]Benali has agreed to write the two page epic while on his charity raising stint. fascia123
  • Score: 3

8:09pm Tue 26 Aug 14

mack chinnon says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
Call me old fashioned but I would rather win the F.A. cup than the Champions league.
I agree. For the fans the CL is like watching paint dry. It would be more exciting if it were a cup knock-out competition like it once was during the golden age of football back in the 70s and 80s. A cup run would be good for us. It's unlikely that we'll win the Prem this year unless Pelle starts finding the net sine time soon, so ket's go fir the cups and start filling the trophy cabinet.
Yep. So many see Prem survival as the be all and end all. I don't. Would I trade our 27 year run in the top flight for say 20 years and a cup or 10 years and a league title and cup? Yes I would. Ultimately it comes down to winning things as those pesky skates keep telling us.
It was good fun in the 3rd division.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: Call me old fashioned but I would rather win the F.A. cup than the Champions league.[/p][/quote]I agree. For the fans the CL is like watching paint dry. It would be more exciting if it were a cup knock-out competition like it once was during the golden age of football back in the 70s and 80s. A cup run would be good for us. It's unlikely that we'll win the Prem this year unless Pelle starts finding the net sine time soon, so ket's go fir the cups and start filling the trophy cabinet.[/p][/quote]Yep. So many see Prem survival as the be all and end all. I don't. Would I trade our 27 year run in the top flight for say 20 years and a cup or 10 years and a league title and cup? Yes I would. Ultimately it comes down to winning things as those pesky skates keep telling us.[/p][/quote]It was good fun in the 3rd division. mack chinnon
  • Score: 1

8:18pm Tue 26 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
centre circle wrote:
What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?
Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for?

The team was:
Davis
Clyne
Shaw
Wanyama
Yoshida
Hooivelt
Ward-Prowse
Davis
Lambert
Lallana
Do Prado

Jay Rod came on for Guly.

I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid.
It certainly wasn't the strongest 11 we could field but you're right - that team was pretty good, there has been a little re-writing of history done about this. I'm with you, we were beaten not because we fielded a weak side but because we were beaten by a better side on the day.
Good call mate.
Don't agree with that. No it wasn't a shoddy team but he did change it completely down the spine. Goalkeeper, centre backs, spiderman and Jay rod. Five key players who influence the whole team down the centre, removed from the starting line up. A few days later he said the Europa Cup wasn't worth trying for because it wasn't financially viable.

Was that his opinion or was it the board's opinion? Did MOPO and the board know what was coming at that point? Or did the board just tell him they weren't interested in the FA Cup because they new what they were going to do already at the end of the season and didn't want to qualify for the Europa Cup?

Whatever the reason it gave Sunderland a good incentive to win the game and reduced our chances of winning it and protected the manager of being accused by the FA of fielding a weakened team. Quite clever really and got the manager what he/they wanted. A defeat. And did nothing for the fans.

Here's hoping we win tonight. COYR
Agree with that George,the whole thing just didn't feel right, even Lambert's miss.
I've gotta lotta nerve!
Even the weatherman knows which way the wind blows!
So tonight,I'll be staying here..with Sky sports news.
Do you think Rickie threw the game on someone's orders?
Who knows,which wy the wind blows?
Don't do conspiracy mate although sometimes I follow 'em 'cos they're funny. Don't buy the deliberate throwing of any game by our players or management. Ever! If I could ever find it to be so I'd cease following football for good. It's the unpredictability of football that makes it as exciting as it is.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]centre circle[/bold] wrote: What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?[/p][/quote]Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for? The team was: Davis Clyne Shaw Wanyama Yoshida Hooivelt Ward-Prowse Davis Lambert Lallana Do Prado Jay Rod came on for Guly. I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]It certainly wasn't the strongest 11 we could field but you're right - that team was pretty good, there has been a little re-writing of history done about this. I'm with you, we were beaten not because we fielded a weak side but because we were beaten by a better side on the day. Good call mate.[/p][/quote]Don't agree with that. No it wasn't a shoddy team but he did change it completely down the spine. Goalkeeper, centre backs, spiderman and Jay rod. Five key players who influence the whole team down the centre, removed from the starting line up. A few days later he said the Europa Cup wasn't worth trying for because it wasn't financially viable. Was that his opinion or was it the board's opinion? Did MOPO and the board know what was coming at that point? Or did the board just tell him they weren't interested in the FA Cup because they new what they were going to do already at the end of the season and didn't want to qualify for the Europa Cup? Whatever the reason it gave Sunderland a good incentive to win the game and reduced our chances of winning it and protected the manager of being accused by the FA of fielding a weakened team. Quite clever really and got the manager what he/they wanted. A defeat. And did nothing for the fans. Here's hoping we win tonight. COYR[/p][/quote]Agree with that George,the whole thing just didn't feel right, even Lambert's miss. I've gotta lotta nerve![/p][/quote]Even the weatherman knows which way the wind blows![/p][/quote]So tonight,I'll be staying here..with Sky sports news.[/p][/quote]Do you think Rickie threw the game on someone's orders?[/p][/quote]Who knows,which wy the wind blows?[/p][/quote]Don't do conspiracy mate although sometimes I follow 'em 'cos they're funny. Don't buy the deliberate throwing of any game by our players or management. Ever! If I could ever find it to be so I'd cease following football for good. It's the unpredictability of football that makes it as exciting as it is. jls217
  • Score: 0

9:21pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

jls217 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
centre circle wrote:
What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?
Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for?

The team was:
Davis
Clyne
Shaw
Wanyama
Yoshida
Hooivelt
Ward-Prowse
Davis
Lambert
Lallana
Do Prado

Jay Rod came on for Guly.

I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid.
It certainly wasn't the strongest 11 we could field but you're right - that team was pretty good, there has been a little re-writing of history done about this. I'm with you, we were beaten not because we fielded a weak side but because we were beaten by a better side on the day.
Good call mate.
Don't agree with that. No it wasn't a shoddy team but he did change it completely down the spine. Goalkeeper, centre backs, spiderman and Jay rod. Five key players who influence the whole team down the centre, removed from the starting line up. A few days later he said the Europa Cup wasn't worth trying for because it wasn't financially viable.

Was that his opinion or was it the board's opinion? Did MOPO and the board know what was coming at that point? Or did the board just tell him they weren't interested in the FA Cup because they new what they were going to do already at the end of the season and didn't want to qualify for the Europa Cup?

Whatever the reason it gave Sunderland a good incentive to win the game and reduced our chances of winning it and protected the manager of being accused by the FA of fielding a weakened team. Quite clever really and got the manager what he/they wanted. A defeat. And did nothing for the fans.

Here's hoping we win tonight. COYR
Agree with that George,the whole thing just didn't feel right, even Lambert's miss.
I've gotta lotta nerve!
Even the weatherman knows which way the wind blows!
So tonight,I'll be staying here..with Sky sports news.
Do you think Rickie threw the game on someone's orders?
Who knows,which wy the wind blows?
Don't do conspiracy mate although sometimes I follow 'em 'cos they're funny. Don't buy the deliberate throwing of any game by our players or management. Ever! If I could ever find it to be so I'd cease following football for good. It's the unpredictability of football that makes it as exciting as it is.
Yeah,agree.As Seedhouse said,Rickie too much of a professional. He's not dishonest either,that's why I believed it when he said it was just the boards lack of ambition,rather than conspiracy that had all the players bail out after NC's departure.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]centre circle[/bold] wrote: What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?[/p][/quote]Well isn't that exactly what MoPo did last season and got crucified for? The team was: Davis Clyne Shaw Wanyama Yoshida Hooivelt Ward-Prowse Davis Lambert Lallana Do Prado Jay Rod came on for Guly. I don't think that was such a shoddy lineup as current myth would have you believe. Double standards I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]It certainly wasn't the strongest 11 we could field but you're right - that team was pretty good, there has been a little re-writing of history done about this. I'm with you, we were beaten not because we fielded a weak side but because we were beaten by a better side on the day. Good call mate.[/p][/quote]Don't agree with that. No it wasn't a shoddy team but he did change it completely down the spine. Goalkeeper, centre backs, spiderman and Jay rod. Five key players who influence the whole team down the centre, removed from the starting line up. A few days later he said the Europa Cup wasn't worth trying for because it wasn't financially viable. Was that his opinion or was it the board's opinion? Did MOPO and the board know what was coming at that point? Or did the board just tell him they weren't interested in the FA Cup because they new what they were going to do already at the end of the season and didn't want to qualify for the Europa Cup? Whatever the reason it gave Sunderland a good incentive to win the game and reduced our chances of winning it and protected the manager of being accused by the FA of fielding a weakened team. Quite clever really and got the manager what he/they wanted. A defeat. And did nothing for the fans. Here's hoping we win tonight. COYR[/p][/quote]Agree with that George,the whole thing just didn't feel right, even Lambert's miss. I've gotta lotta nerve![/p][/quote]Even the weatherman knows which way the wind blows![/p][/quote]So tonight,I'll be staying here..with Sky sports news.[/p][/quote]Do you think Rickie threw the game on someone's orders?[/p][/quote]Who knows,which wy the wind blows?[/p][/quote]Don't do conspiracy mate although sometimes I follow 'em 'cos they're funny. Don't buy the deliberate throwing of any game by our players or management. Ever! If I could ever find it to be so I'd cease following football for good. It's the unpredictability of football that makes it as exciting as it is.[/p][/quote]Yeah,agree.As Seedhouse said,Rickie too much of a professional. He's not dishonest either,that's why I believed it when he said it was just the boards lack of ambition,rather than conspiracy that had all the players bail out after NC's departure. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

10:31pm Tue 26 Aug 14

durham87saint says...

durham87saint wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good article. We need to give both competitions a real go. It will help to improve the gates at league matches if adopt that attitude. COYR
Plus it will give our new guys more game time together, maybe it's because I'm old but I like the cup game especially the FA Cup.
My first match was at the Dell in 1967 the year after we where promoted. It was against wolves, we lost 2-3, Terry Paine beat the same player twice in the move, crossed and Ron Davis scored. We gave it a go and I've never looked back the spirit was there as it is today. That's what makes a club great, the spirit not the money. COYR's.
Just looked up this match I was older then I thought.
1969/1970 Wed 20 Aug Southampton 2 - 3 Wolves First Division.
Still was a cracking game. So was tonight's result.
[quote][p][bold]durham87saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good article. We need to give both competitions a real go. It will help to improve the gates at league matches if adopt that attitude. COYR[/p][/quote]Plus it will give our new guys more game time together, maybe it's because I'm old but I like the cup game especially the FA Cup.[/p][/quote]My first match was at the Dell in 1967 the year after we where promoted. It was against wolves, we lost 2-3, Terry Paine beat the same player twice in the move, crossed and Ron Davis scored. We gave it a go and I've never looked back the spirit was there as it is today. That's what makes a club great, the spirit not the money. COYR's.[/p][/quote]Just looked up this match I was older then I thought. 1969/1970 Wed 20 Aug Southampton 2 - 3 Wolves First Division. Still was a cracking game. So was tonight's result. durham87saint
  • Score: 1

2:56am Wed 27 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

centre circle wrote:
What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?
Fair comment, but with so many new players in the squad, fringe players are no doubt harder to determine.
[quote][p][bold]centre circle[/bold] wrote: What's wrong with giving 'fringe' players a start... and keep the regulars on the bench ready to come on if necessary ?[/p][/quote]Fair comment, but with so many new players in the squad, fringe players are no doubt harder to determine. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 0

9:03am Wed 27 Aug 14

Beer Monster says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
rick0601 wrote:
I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs!

Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.
We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season.

'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that.
I don't think there's a problem with going for both cups and the league. It's easy to go on about Swansea, Wigan and the like, but it is the big teams that usually win the cups too. Maybe, we should start acting like a big club if that's what we want to be.
We did,up until Cortese left,but a lot of people thought that was wrong...oops,sorry,c


ontroversial!
Agree with both of you. The happy clappers have now moved their conspiracy theory on to MoPo deliberately threw the cup even down to the fine detail that Rickie deliberately missed his chance. This is where they lose all credibility for me. The cup was certainly not MoPo's priority but it would have looked good on his CV and as for Rickie, well he's a consummate professional and would never miss on purpose.

By the time we played Sunderland in the FA cup they were already in the League cup final and their Prem survival was looking perilous. They did not target that match but we failed to turn up so they won.
I turned up. To a s0dding library!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rick0601[/bold] wrote: I'm looking forward to the day I can write a whole piece with one sentence paragraphs! Joking aside, I would shelve any cup ambitions for a comfortable league campaign. This season should be about building the team and settling into our new system. We don't need to be fielding strong teams in the cup which could have a knock on effect on our league form. Maybe next year once stability has been recovered.[/p][/quote]We get this every bloody season. Let's focus on getting out of League 1 and do the cup next season. Let's focus on getting out of The Championship and do the cup next season. Let's focus on staying in the Prem and do the cup next season. Let's consolidate our position in the top ten and do the cup next season. 'Next season' never seems to come. Well now both the manager and captain have said THIS is the season and I welcome that.[/p][/quote]I don't think there's a problem with going for both cups and the league. It's easy to go on about Swansea, Wigan and the like, but it is the big teams that usually win the cups too. Maybe, we should start acting like a big club if that's what we want to be.[/p][/quote]We did,up until Cortese left,but a lot of people thought that was wrong...oops,sorry,c ontroversial![/p][/quote]Agree with both of you. The happy clappers have now moved their conspiracy theory on to MoPo deliberately threw the cup even down to the fine detail that Rickie deliberately missed his chance. This is where they lose all credibility for me. The cup was certainly not MoPo's priority but it would have looked good on his CV and as for Rickie, well he's a consummate professional and would never miss on purpose. By the time we played Sunderland in the FA cup they were already in the League cup final and their Prem survival was looking perilous. They did not target that match but we failed to turn up so they won.[/p][/quote]I turned up. To a s0dding library! Beer Monster
  • Score: 0
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