Taider set to leave Saints after less than a month

Saphir Taider

Saphir Taider

First published in Sport Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Sports Writer

Saphir Taider is expected to end his time at Saints little more than three weeks after joining the club.

The Algerian midfielder has failed to settle on the south coast following what was meant to be a season long loan move from Inter Milan.

The 22-year-old has not figured in any of Saints’ three games so far this season and the Daily Echo understands he is keen to tie up a move back to Italy in the coming days, with Sassuolo confident of securing his signature.

Saints are not expected to stand in his way, as it is believed Taider has failed to impress manager Ronald Koeman in training since switching to St Mary’s.

It will leave Saints considering their options still further before the close of the transfer window on Monday night.

Koeman will be keen to ensure he has sufficient cover in his squad.

He wants to sign one or two more players, with a winger being the top priority.

It remains to be seen whether he will feel pressed into action to recruit another body if, as expected, Taider departs less than a month after arriving.

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11:26pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Didn't really give it much of a go did he? Knobend.
Didn't really give it much of a go did he? Knobend. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 37

11:27pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Invidia says...

It is a good thing that it has happened before the window shuts, gives our Les more money and free's up another loanee position and obviously it's no good having a player on the books if he is not up for training and playing for the club.
It is a good thing that it has happened before the window shuts, gives our Les more money and free's up another loanee position and obviously it's no good having a player on the books if he is not up for training and playing for the club. Invidia
  • Score: 33

11:29pm Fri 29 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

3 days left to fill in the gaps, and they are letting him go..... I'm sorry but this is a mistake, and a waste of time and resources from the time the deal was made to get him here until now. We could have signed players in much needed cover positions rather than entertained Taider's hiatus to England.
3 days left to fill in the gaps, and they are letting him go..... I'm sorry but this is a mistake, and a waste of time and resources from the time the deal was made to get him here until now. We could have signed players in much needed cover positions rather than entertained Taider's hiatus to England. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: -58

11:47pm Fri 29 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

All that rain we had last week must have scared the life out of him, another player from the Italian league who can not make the grade in England.
All that rain we had last week must have scared the life out of him, another player from the Italian league who can not make the grade in England. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 49

11:48pm Fri 29 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

There's been talk for nearly 2 weeks about getting 2 new signings, and we are letting another player go, who hasn't even been here a month or played a Premier League game. Thumbs down me all you want but it defies logic at this point to be letting yet more players leave before replacing them, when time is not a luxury we can afford.
There's been talk for nearly 2 weeks about getting 2 new signings, and we are letting another player go, who hasn't even been here a month or played a Premier League game. Thumbs down me all you want but it defies logic at this point to be letting yet more players leave before replacing them, when time is not a luxury we can afford. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: -19

11:51pm Fri 29 Aug 14

saints1998 says...

That means we need 3 players before the windows shuts. We need a defender, a midfielder and a pacey winger. With 3 days left I am a but concerned but am hopeful that Ron and the board can get things sorted. COYR let's have 3 points tomorrow and get our season well and truly started.
That means we need 3 players before the windows shuts. We need a defender, a midfielder and a pacey winger. With 3 days left I am a but concerned but am hopeful that Ron and the board can get things sorted. COYR let's have 3 points tomorrow and get our season well and truly started. saints1998
  • Score: 5

11:55pm Fri 29 Aug 14

AmsterdamSaint says...

Daley Blind now ! Messed around with Classie who has now signed a new 4 year deal with Feyenoord. Stupid. 23 , captain, quality. 9 Mill. Twice that next summer. Spider's replacement. Do you think hè Will be there next season ? Played with Pelle. Knows his game Well. I do not need stars, but hè was perfect and knew KoKo. And sign up Jack Cork ! What are we thinking of ?
Daley Blind now ! Messed around with Classie who has now signed a new 4 year deal with Feyenoord. Stupid. 23 , captain, quality. 9 Mill. Twice that next summer. Spider's replacement. Do you think hè Will be there next season ? Played with Pelle. Knows his game Well. I do not need stars, but hè was perfect and knew KoKo. And sign up Jack Cork ! What are we thinking of ? AmsterdamSaint
  • Score: 39

11:56pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Graham, North of Watford says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
3 days left to fill in the gaps, and they are letting him go..... I'm sorry but this is a mistake, and a waste of time and resources from the time the deal was made to get him here until now. We could have signed players in much needed cover positions rather than entertained Taider's hiatus to England.
Kiwi,

Not a mistake to let him go.

The mistake was to bring him here.

I am completely amazed that we epect young men to move from their own environment to a completely foreign one.

I know a lot do but I would posit that a 50% success rate was probably quite fair

Noted thecomments that Tin-Tin wasn;t overly impressed plus the fact that he was a loanee and it really becomes a simple decision.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: 3 days left to fill in the gaps, and they are letting him go..... I'm sorry but this is a mistake, and a waste of time and resources from the time the deal was made to get him here until now. We could have signed players in much needed cover positions rather than entertained Taider's hiatus to England.[/p][/quote]Kiwi, Not a mistake to let him go. The mistake was to bring him here. I am completely amazed that we epect young men to move from their own environment to a completely foreign one. I know a lot do but I would posit that a 50% success rate was probably quite fair Noted thecomments that Tin-Tin wasn;t overly impressed plus the fact that he was a loanee and it really becomes a simple decision. Graham, North of Watford
  • Score: 33

11:58pm Fri 29 Aug 14

hdfw09 says...

This is dysfunctional. Right when we think we are moving in the right direction. And we wonder why Sunderland may beat us out to attract players?
This is dysfunctional. Right when we think we are moving in the right direction. And we wonder why Sunderland may beat us out to attract players? hdfw09
  • Score: 8

12:02am Sat 30 Aug 14

AmsterdamSaint says...

AmsterdamSaint wrote:
Daley Blind now ! Messed around with Classie who has now signed a new 4 year deal with Feyenoord. Stupid. 23 , captain, quality. 9 Mill. Twice that next summer. Spider's replacement. Do you think hè Will be there next season ? Played with Pelle. Knows his game Well. I do not need stars, but hè was perfect and knew KoKo. And sign up Jack Cork ! What are we thinking of ?
Apologies for KoKo I have a new iPad and the spellchecker is in Dutch and I don't know how to get. it off. Virgil from Celtics Will come, but we could have done so much beter This window.
[quote][p][bold]AmsterdamSaint[/bold] wrote: Daley Blind now ! Messed around with Classie who has now signed a new 4 year deal with Feyenoord. Stupid. 23 , captain, quality. 9 Mill. Twice that next summer. Spider's replacement. Do you think hè Will be there next season ? Played with Pelle. Knows his game Well. I do not need stars, but hè was perfect and knew KoKo. And sign up Jack Cork ! What are we thinking of ?[/p][/quote]Apologies for KoKo I have a new iPad and the spellchecker is in Dutch and I don't know how to get. it off. Virgil from Celtics Will come, but we could have done so much beter This window. AmsterdamSaint
  • Score: 8

12:07am Sat 30 Aug 14

deepheat says...

We didn't need him in the first place.

BBC Radio Solent understands that the midfielder has failed to adapt to the physical training demands under Ronald Koeman.

I had to look up Sassuolo FC. They are relegation fodder.


I hope this means a new contract for Jack Cork.
We didn't need him in the first place. BBC Radio Solent understands that the midfielder has failed to adapt to the physical training demands under Ronald Koeman. I had to look up Sassuolo FC. They are relegation fodder. I hope this means a new contract for Jack Cork. deepheat
  • Score: 54

12:09am Sat 30 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Graham, North of Watford wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
3 days left to fill in the gaps, and they are letting him go..... I'm sorry but this is a mistake, and a waste of time and resources from the time the deal was made to get him here until now. We could have signed players in much needed cover positions rather than entertained Taider's hiatus to England.
Kiwi,

Not a mistake to let him go.

The mistake was to bring him here.

I am completely amazed that we epect young men to move from their own environment to a completely foreign one.

I know a lot do but I would posit that a 50% success rate was probably quite fair

Noted thecomments that Tin-Tin wasn;t overly impressed plus the fact that he was a loanee and it really becomes a simple decision.
Hi Graham, I agree it was a mistake to bring him here. I tried to point that out in said post but worded it a bit poorly. (I'm sorry but this is a mistake, and a waste of time and resources from the time the deal was made to get him here until now. We could have signed players in much needed cover positions rather than entertained Taider's hiatus to England.)
I understand we were keen to get rid of Osvaldo. While we signed a GK, LB, CF, Striker and winger, I am frustrated that the overall feeling of the transfer window has been all good to let players go in the blink of an eye and taking a lot of time to get them in. If it had not been the outcry of some supporters around the time Spyder was threatening to leave I wonder where the team structure would be right now.
[quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: 3 days left to fill in the gaps, and they are letting him go..... I'm sorry but this is a mistake, and a waste of time and resources from the time the deal was made to get him here until now. We could have signed players in much needed cover positions rather than entertained Taider's hiatus to England.[/p][/quote]Kiwi, Not a mistake to let him go. The mistake was to bring him here. I am completely amazed that we epect young men to move from their own environment to a completely foreign one. I know a lot do but I would posit that a 50% success rate was probably quite fair Noted thecomments that Tin-Tin wasn;t overly impressed plus the fact that he was a loanee and it really becomes a simple decision.[/p][/quote]Hi Graham, I agree it was a mistake to bring him here. I tried to point that out in said post but worded it a bit poorly. (I'm sorry but this is a mistake, and a waste of time and resources from the time the deal was made to get him here until now. We could have signed players in much needed cover positions rather than entertained Taider's hiatus to England.) I understand we were keen to get rid of Osvaldo. While we signed a GK, LB, CF, Striker and winger, I am frustrated that the overall feeling of the transfer window has been all good to let players go in the blink of an eye and taking a lot of time to get them in. If it had not been the outcry of some supporters around the time Spyder was threatening to leave I wonder where the team structure would be right now. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 6

12:12am Sat 30 Aug 14

one in the crowd says...

What a farce.

Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window.

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the club be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
What a farce. Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window. Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the club be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more. one in the crowd
  • Score: -117

12:19am Sat 30 Aug 14

saints1998 says...

one in the crowd wrote:
What a farce.

Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window.

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the club be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
I agree that we need 3 more players and are running out of time. the board are trying but need to hurry up. If additions are not made to the squad we will certainly struggle. I hope i am wrong but with 2 days left i am very concerned with the state of our club.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: What a farce. Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window. Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the club be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more.[/p][/quote]I agree that we need 3 more players and are running out of time. the board are trying but need to hurry up. If additions are not made to the squad we will certainly struggle. I hope i am wrong but with 2 days left i am very concerned with the state of our club. saints1998
  • Score: -1

12:22am Sat 30 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Graham, North of Watford wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
3 days left to fill in the gaps, and they are letting him go..... I'm sorry but this is a mistake, and a waste of time and resources from the time the deal was made to get him here until now. We could have signed players in much needed cover positions rather than entertained Taider's hiatus to England.
Kiwi,

Not a mistake to let him go.

The mistake was to bring him here.

I am completely amazed that we epect young men to move from their own environment to a completely foreign one.

I know a lot do but I would posit that a 50% success rate was probably quite fair

Noted thecomments that Tin-Tin wasn;t overly impressed plus the fact that he was a loanee and it really becomes a simple decision.
You also raise a good point. While Koeman is undoubtably an astute manager, one would assume that a transfer that had been at the club for 23 days from a completely different league would have been granted the same respect that Pelle and Tadic would be receiving trying to fit in with the club and the PL. Unless he is utter shyte. Reports from the games he has played in counter that theory. I mean, Shane Long, a PL proven striker has had more game time and hasn't even scored a goal yet! At least Taider scored in the under 21's game.
[quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: 3 days left to fill in the gaps, and they are letting him go..... I'm sorry but this is a mistake, and a waste of time and resources from the time the deal was made to get him here until now. We could have signed players in much needed cover positions rather than entertained Taider's hiatus to England.[/p][/quote]Kiwi, Not a mistake to let him go. The mistake was to bring him here. I am completely amazed that we epect young men to move from their own environment to a completely foreign one. I know a lot do but I would posit that a 50% success rate was probably quite fair Noted thecomments that Tin-Tin wasn;t overly impressed plus the fact that he was a loanee and it really becomes a simple decision.[/p][/quote]You also raise a good point. While Koeman is undoubtably an astute manager, one would assume that a transfer that had been at the club for 23 days from a completely different league would have been granted the same respect that Pelle and Tadic would be receiving trying to fit in with the club and the PL. Unless he is utter shyte. Reports from the games he has played in counter that theory. I mean, Shane Long, a PL proven striker has had more game time and hasn't even scored a goal yet! At least Taider scored in the under 21's game. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 2

12:31am Sat 30 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

one in the crowd wrote:
What a farce.

Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window.

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the club be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
That's only one question,what were the other ones?
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: What a farce. Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window. Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the club be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more.[/p][/quote]That's only one question,what were the other ones? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 9

12:42am Sat 30 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

As far as I can understand from the article, RK doesn't think he is up to scratch. It's also interesting how quite a few people on here who have not seen him in training or even playing for Saints seem to think they know better.

My feeling is that it was a very good decision not to buy him outright but get him in on loan. Just think, if we hadn't done that, we might have been stuck with Guly II.
As far as I can understand from the article, RK doesn't think he is up to scratch. It's also interesting how quite a few people on here who have not seen him in training or even playing for Saints seem to think they know better. My feeling is that it was a very good decision not to buy him outright but get him in on loan. Just think, if we hadn't done that, we might have been stuck with Guly II. Rising_Son
  • Score: 21

12:46am Sat 30 Aug 14

St Van Roetford says...

one in the crowd wrote:
What a farce.

Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window.

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the club be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
1) They won't be.

2) They won't be.

Hope this helps. Enjoy League 2.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: What a farce. Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window. Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the club be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more.[/p][/quote]1) They won't be. 2) They won't be. Hope this helps. Enjoy League 2. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 41

12:46am Sat 30 Aug 14

markodarko29 says...

One thing is blatantly obvious ,stop buying from the Italian league ,there not up to the premiership ,simples
One thing is blatantly obvious ,stop buying from the Italian league ,there not up to the premiership ,simples markodarko29
  • Score: 23

12:49am Sat 30 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
As far as I can understand from the article, RK doesn't think he is up to scratch. It's also interesting how quite a few people on here who have not seen him in training or even playing for Saints seem to think they know better.

My feeling is that it was a very good decision not to buy him outright but get him in on loan. Just think, if we hadn't done that, we might have been stuck with Guly II.
I watched him play against Leverkusen and the under 21's game against Fulham. It wasnt' just me who thought he played well.

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[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: As far as I can understand from the article, RK doesn't think he is up to scratch. It's also interesting how quite a few people on here who have not seen him in training or even playing for Saints seem to think they know better. My feeling is that it was a very good decision not to buy him outright but get him in on loan. Just think, if we hadn't done that, we might have been stuck with Guly II.[/p][/quote]I watched him play against Leverkusen and the under 21's game against Fulham. It wasnt' just me who thought he played well. http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/sport/1141760 2.Taider_stakes_clai m_for_first_team_pla ce/ and http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/sport/saints/ news/11400518.Koeman _hails_Taider_impact /?action=complain&ci d=13057173 KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 0

12:52am Sat 30 Aug 14

markodarko29 says...

One fact les read is a clown , what ever next,I'm hearing a reserve player from stoke is next to come in ,if this is true resign
One fact les read is a clown , what ever next,I'm hearing a reserve player from stoke is next to come in ,if this is true resign markodarko29
  • Score: -29

12:59am Sat 30 Aug 14

rednwhite72 says...

I thought he looked pretty handy in the leverkusen game, had high hopes for the boy?
I thought he looked pretty handy in the leverkusen game, had high hopes for the boy? rednwhite72
  • Score: 9

1:01am Sat 30 Aug 14

echo1948 says...

What a shambles! We are not going to get 3 new players in before the window closes. Championship next season without a doubt.
What a shambles! We are not going to get 3 new players in before the window closes. Championship next season without a doubt. echo1948
  • Score: -41

1:04am Sat 30 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

The question in my now paranoid mind is....What if our new CB Gardos isn't up to scratch before he's played a game also?
The question in my now paranoid mind is....What if our new CB Gardos isn't up to scratch before he's played a game also? KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 4

1:10am Sat 30 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
3 days left to fill in the gaps, and they are letting him go..... I'm sorry but this is a mistake, and a waste of time and resources from the time the deal was made to get him here until now. We could have signed players in much needed cover positions rather than entertained Taider's hiatus to England.
Kiwi,

Not a mistake to let him go.

The mistake was to bring him here.

I am completely amazed that we epect young men to move from their own environment to a completely foreign one.

I know a lot do but I would posit that a 50% success rate was probably quite fair

Noted thecomments that Tin-Tin wasn;t overly impressed plus the fact that he was a loanee and it really becomes a simple decision.
You also raise a good point. While Koeman is undoubtably an astute manager, one would assume that a transfer that had been at the club for 23 days from a completely different league would have been granted the same respect that Pelle and Tadic would be receiving trying to fit in with the club and the PL. Unless he is utter shyte. Reports from the games he has played in counter that theory. I mean, Shane Long, a PL proven striker has had more game time and hasn't even scored a goal yet! At least Taider scored in the under 21's game.
Kiwi you are missing the most important point in all of your posts. He doesn't want to be here because he cant handle the training and physical side of the English game!
It may have been a waste of time to bring him here but how would the club know that?
He settled in when he moved from France to italy with no problems, so what was there to suggest he wouldn't fit in here?
If he isn't up to playing in England then keeping him here would be a bigger mistake than signing him.
I don't care how well hes done in the development squad, it isn't the same standard a the prem!
I think this says a he'll of a lot more about the player than it does about the club. The club haven't lost anything by bringing him in on loan but could have lost millions if we had brought him. Had we brought him, as many wanted (because they didn't like loans), we would be stuck with a player we wouldn't have played and would be looking to loan him out. As it is he is winter's problem.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: 3 days left to fill in the gaps, and they are letting him go..... I'm sorry but this is a mistake, and a waste of time and resources from the time the deal was made to get him here until now. We could have signed players in much needed cover positions rather than entertained Taider's hiatus to England.[/p][/quote]Kiwi, Not a mistake to let him go. The mistake was to bring him here. I am completely amazed that we epect young men to move from their own environment to a completely foreign one. I know a lot do but I would posit that a 50% success rate was probably quite fair Noted thecomments that Tin-Tin wasn;t overly impressed plus the fact that he was a loanee and it really becomes a simple decision.[/p][/quote]You also raise a good point. While Koeman is undoubtably an astute manager, one would assume that a transfer that had been at the club for 23 days from a completely different league would have been granted the same respect that Pelle and Tadic would be receiving trying to fit in with the club and the PL. Unless he is utter shyte. Reports from the games he has played in counter that theory. I mean, Shane Long, a PL proven striker has had more game time and hasn't even scored a goal yet! At least Taider scored in the under 21's game.[/p][/quote]Kiwi you are missing the most important point in all of your posts. He doesn't want to be here because he cant handle the training and physical side of the English game! It may have been a waste of time to bring him here but how would the club know that? He settled in when he moved from France to italy with no problems, so what was there to suggest he wouldn't fit in here? If he isn't up to playing in England then keeping him here would be a bigger mistake than signing him. I don't care how well hes done in the development squad, it isn't the same standard a the prem! I think this says a he'll of a lot more about the player than it does about the club. The club haven't lost anything by bringing him in on loan but could have lost millions if we had brought him. Had we brought him, as many wanted (because they didn't like loans), we would be stuck with a player we wouldn't have played and would be looking to loan him out. As it is he is winter's problem. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 35

1:13am Sat 30 Aug 14

Georgethepie says...

one in the crowd wrote:
What a farce.

Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window.

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the club be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
Could have been more if chambers had not been given away at a bargain price. The clubs being run by clowns. Still could be worst could be Leeds fans. Now that's a club that really is run by an idiot
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: What a farce. Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window. Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the club be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more.[/p][/quote]Could have been more if chambers had not been given away at a bargain price. The clubs being run by clowns. Still could be worst could be Leeds fans. Now that's a club that really is run by an idiot Georgethepie
  • Score: -25

1:21am Sat 30 Aug 14

D1saint says...

Well I also know of another player saints scouts have brought this year from Africa , apparently he passed his medical then when he joined the first team for training it was found that he could not even kick a ball straight. A lot of red faces and wasted money.
Well I also know of another player saints scouts have brought this year from Africa , apparently he passed his medical then when he joined the first team for training it was found that he could not even kick a ball straight. A lot of red faces and wasted money. D1saint
  • Score: -15

1:38am Sat 30 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

one in the crowd wrote:
What a farce.

Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window.

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the club be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
Yes those responsible for signing Paul Robinson on a months loan and then extending in until Jan are utter fools your right. I suppose it must hurt you to see, now normally I would say local rivals here but that would be eastleigh for you lot these days, our club doing so well and spending more on 1 player than your entire first team, no wait, your entire club is worth. Keep being envious of us though as we do enjoy it.
Question 1, I don't know it depends on when the presidents want to cash in on their miniscule investment and sell nottarf krap to Tescos or the property developer who owns a good portion of the club, remember your trust don't control or own the club so you don't have a say in it. You will be ground sharing with havent within 2yrs!
2, don't worry about saints getting relegated because its not going to happen, poopey on the other hand will soon be near the AR$e end Lethem football league again, scrapping and fighting for every point just to stay in the professional league system.

Lets play for a min and go with your pretend club liverhampton. They've been panic buying all summer, spending well over the odds on our players and now bringing in 'why always me' a players only ever playwriting himself and will be too began ego Brenda to cope with, he couldn't control the vampire. Talking of the vampire, why would a club sell its only world class player for £64mill? Why would they sell the player who made their other strikers look good? Without the vampire stutter and the headless chicken look decidedly average, thats why Brenda has panicked again and brought the selfish one, who many Italians blame for their poor world cup. Don't worry though, when you get knocked out of the champs league and fail to qualify again you will have the fun of watching all those players who dreamt of playing for you leave to join clubs their heads had been at all season!
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: What a farce. Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window. Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the club be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more.[/p][/quote]Yes those responsible for signing Paul Robinson on a months loan and then extending in until Jan are utter fools your right. I suppose it must hurt you to see, now normally I would say local rivals here but that would be eastleigh for you lot these days, our club doing so well and spending more on 1 player than your entire first team, no wait, your entire club is worth. Keep being envious of us though as we do enjoy it. Question 1, I don't know it depends on when the presidents want to cash in on their miniscule investment and sell nottarf krap to Tescos or the property developer who owns a good portion of the club, remember your trust don't control or own the club so you don't have a say in it. You will be ground sharing with havent within 2yrs! 2, don't worry about saints getting relegated because its not going to happen, poopey on the other hand will soon be near the AR$e end Lethem football league again, scrapping and fighting for every point just to stay in the professional league system. Lets play for a min and go with your pretend club liverhampton. They've been panic buying all summer, spending well over the odds on our players and now bringing in 'why always me' a players only ever playwriting himself and will be too began ego Brenda to cope with, he couldn't control the vampire. Talking of the vampire, why would a club sell its only world class player for £64mill? Why would they sell the player who made their other strikers look good? Without the vampire stutter and the headless chicken look decidedly average, thats why Brenda has panicked again and brought the selfish one, who many Italians blame for their poor world cup. Don't worry though, when you get knocked out of the champs league and fail to qualify again you will have the fun of watching all those players who dreamt of playing for you leave to join clubs their heads had been at all season! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 8

2:22am Sat 30 Aug 14

Jan28th1984 says...

I blame Veronica Graf, there was no way a flashy bint like her was going to spend any time in a sh!t-hole like the UK, FFS.
I blame Veronica Graf, there was no way a flashy bint like her was going to spend any time in a sh!t-hole like the UK, FFS. Jan28th1984
  • Score: -10

3:35am Sat 30 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
3 days left to fill in the gaps, and they are letting him go..... I'm sorry but this is a mistake, and a waste of time and resources from the time the deal was made to get him here until now. We could have signed players in much needed cover positions rather than entertained Taider's hiatus to England.
Kiwi,

Not a mistake to let him go.

The mistake was to bring him here.

I am completely amazed that we epect young men to move from their own environment to a completely foreign one.

I know a lot do but I would posit that a 50% success rate was probably quite fair

Noted thecomments that Tin-Tin wasn;t overly impressed plus the fact that he was a loanee and it really becomes a simple decision.
You also raise a good point. While Koeman is undoubtably an astute manager, one would assume that a transfer that had been at the club for 23 days from a completely different league would have been granted the same respect that Pelle and Tadic would be receiving trying to fit in with the club and the PL. Unless he is utter shyte. Reports from the games he has played in counter that theory. I mean, Shane Long, a PL proven striker has had more game time and hasn't even scored a goal yet! At least Taider scored in the under 21's game.
Kiwi you are missing the most important point in all of your posts. He doesn't want to be here because he cant handle the training and physical side of the English game!
It may have been a waste of time to bring him here but how would the club know that?
He settled in when he moved from France to italy with no problems, so what was there to suggest he wouldn't fit in here?
If he isn't up to playing in England then keeping him here would be a bigger mistake than signing him.
I don't care how well hes done in the development squad, it isn't the same standard a the prem!
I think this says a he'll of a lot more about the player than it does about the club. The club haven't lost anything by bringing him in on loan but could have lost millions if we had brought him. Had we brought him, as many wanted (because they didn't like loans), we would be stuck with a player we wouldn't have played and would be looking to loan him out. As it is he is winter's problem.
Sure the development squad isn't the same level as the PL but how can it be proven that he couldn't handle the physical aspect of the Premier League when he hasn't even played a game? As for the training that is Koeman's call and possibly a good one. But I didn't see anywhere in the article that he couldn't handle the training, just that Koeman wasn't impressed with him in training. I think that Taider left because he knew he was going to be benched here as well and didn't want that. If Loanees are a known risk to begin with, and hasn't cost us any money, then why have the club been waiting so long to get in the much needed players in other positions? Why not prioritise and fill the gaps where they are most needed to be filled before taking a chance on a central midfielder that we did not really need to begin with?
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: 3 days left to fill in the gaps, and they are letting him go..... I'm sorry but this is a mistake, and a waste of time and resources from the time the deal was made to get him here until now. We could have signed players in much needed cover positions rather than entertained Taider's hiatus to England.[/p][/quote]Kiwi, Not a mistake to let him go. The mistake was to bring him here. I am completely amazed that we epect young men to move from their own environment to a completely foreign one. I know a lot do but I would posit that a 50% success rate was probably quite fair Noted thecomments that Tin-Tin wasn;t overly impressed plus the fact that he was a loanee and it really becomes a simple decision.[/p][/quote]You also raise a good point. While Koeman is undoubtably an astute manager, one would assume that a transfer that had been at the club for 23 days from a completely different league would have been granted the same respect that Pelle and Tadic would be receiving trying to fit in with the club and the PL. Unless he is utter shyte. Reports from the games he has played in counter that theory. I mean, Shane Long, a PL proven striker has had more game time and hasn't even scored a goal yet! At least Taider scored in the under 21's game.[/p][/quote]Kiwi you are missing the most important point in all of your posts. He doesn't want to be here because he cant handle the training and physical side of the English game! It may have been a waste of time to bring him here but how would the club know that? He settled in when he moved from France to italy with no problems, so what was there to suggest he wouldn't fit in here? If he isn't up to playing in England then keeping him here would be a bigger mistake than signing him. I don't care how well hes done in the development squad, it isn't the same standard a the prem! I think this says a he'll of a lot more about the player than it does about the club. The club haven't lost anything by bringing him in on loan but could have lost millions if we had brought him. Had we brought him, as many wanted (because they didn't like loans), we would be stuck with a player we wouldn't have played and would be looking to loan him out. As it is he is winter's problem.[/p][/quote]Sure the development squad isn't the same level as the PL but how can it be proven that he couldn't handle the physical aspect of the Premier League when he hasn't even played a game? As for the training that is Koeman's call and possibly a good one. But I didn't see anywhere in the article that he couldn't handle the training, just that Koeman wasn't impressed with him in training. I think that Taider left because he knew he was going to be benched here as well and didn't want that. If Loanees are a known risk to begin with, and hasn't cost us any money, then why have the club been waiting so long to get in the much needed players in other positions? Why not prioritise and fill the gaps where they are most needed to be filled before taking a chance on a central midfielder that we did not really need to begin with? KiwiSaint74
  • Score: -7

4:16am Sat 30 Aug 14

Wembley76 says...

The fact is the boy doesn't want to train to the standards of RoKo...good on the boss to identify the problem early and ship him and his enormous wages out!! What is wring with some of these lads, paid a fortune, molly coddled, hero-worshipped by fans who could only 'dream' of such a lifestyle and they are not prepared to 'work at it'....we now learn that Shaw was continually having fitness problems under MoPo and Roy,,,great bit of business getting £27m for an overrated player who has yet to prove his ability and commitment, We have good committed players in the form of Cork, Davis, Fonte, JWP who are prepared to work their socks of for the team. Ciao, au-revoir, good riddance Tired-er!!
The fact is the boy doesn't want to train to the standards of RoKo...good on the boss to identify the problem early and ship him and his enormous wages out!! What is wring with some of these lads, paid a fortune, molly coddled, hero-worshipped by fans who could only 'dream' of such a lifestyle and they are not prepared to 'work at it'....we now learn that Shaw was continually having fitness problems under MoPo and Roy,,,great bit of business getting £27m for an overrated player who has yet to prove his ability and commitment, We have good committed players in the form of Cork, Davis, Fonte, JWP who are prepared to work their socks of for the team. Ciao, au-revoir, good riddance Tired-er!! Wembley76
  • Score: 30

4:48am Sat 30 Aug 14

drkensta says...

What ever the reasons Koeman has for getting rid of Tadir, they must be pretty good because he has not give an indication that he wishes to keep him, or give him a chance to prove himself like Cork. I wonder whether Saints transfer business is completely out of Koemans hands, and that he is going through the motions of saying the right things to the Press and having to make do with decisions made by others. I still cannot understand why we paid 12 million for Shane Long when there are better forwards around for that sort of money, Wellbeck for instance. I think that Saints have to get some positive results in the EPL very quickly starting this Saturday at West Ham, or we may find ourselves without a manager, who will not want to risk his managerial career with a team which can only achieve lower status EPL placing.
What ever the reasons Koeman has for getting rid of Tadir, they must be pretty good because he has not give an indication that he wishes to keep him, or give him a chance to prove himself like Cork. I wonder whether Saints transfer business is completely out of Koemans hands, and that he is going through the motions of saying the right things to the Press and having to make do with decisions made by others. I still cannot understand why we paid 12 million for Shane Long when there are better forwards around for that sort of money, Wellbeck for instance. I think that Saints have to get some positive results in the EPL very quickly starting this Saturday at West Ham, or we may find ourselves without a manager, who will not want to risk his managerial career with a team which can only achieve lower status EPL placing. drkensta
  • Score: -2

4:58am Sat 30 Aug 14

saintand266 says...

one in the crowd wrote:
What a farce.

Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window.

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the club be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
Bellend
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: What a farce. Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window. Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the club be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more.[/p][/quote]Bellend saintand266
  • Score: 14

4:59am Sat 30 Aug 14

batesieboy says...

markodarko29 wrote:
One fact les read is a clown , what ever next,I'm hearing a reserve player from stoke is next to come in ,if this is true resign
What was wrong with Pulis the Younger? He was fantastic for us. Stoke reserves rock. hahahaha
[quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: One fact les read is a clown , what ever next,I'm hearing a reserve player from stoke is next to come in ,if this is true resign[/p][/quote]What was wrong with Pulis the Younger? He was fantastic for us. Stoke reserves rock. hahahaha batesieboy
  • Score: 3

5:41am Sat 30 Aug 14

nickw4 says...

To be completely honest, Taïder departing doesn't really take anything away from the team. I think our frontline and midfield is solid and has depth - without the need for anymore additions. Think about it: we play with three midfielders (spider, wanyama, JWP, corky, reed, Davis, etc), up front we play with three (pelle, long, Rodriguez, isgrove, mayuka, ramirez, Gallagher, tadic). Before the transfer window shuts, all I want is a versatile defender, can play as either full back or centre half - Toby alderwierld would have been an unbelievable signing as would have been Rojo. Come on RoKo and les pull out all the stops for us fans. Onwards and upwards COYR+WS
To be completely honest, Taïder departing doesn't really take anything away from the team. I think our frontline and midfield is solid and has depth - without the need for anymore additions. Think about it: we play with three midfielders (spider, wanyama, JWP, corky, reed, Davis, etc), up front we play with three (pelle, long, Rodriguez, isgrove, mayuka, ramirez, Gallagher, tadic). Before the transfer window shuts, all I want is a versatile defender, can play as either full back or centre half - Toby alderwierld would have been an unbelievable signing as would have been Rojo. Come on RoKo and les pull out all the stops for us fans. Onwards and upwards COYR+WS nickw4
  • Score: 13

5:49am Sat 30 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

A Les Reed choice?
A Les Reed choice? redandy10
  • Score: -14

6:15am Sat 30 Aug 14

Wembley76 says...

redandy10 wrote:
A Les Reed choice?
Reed and the team will identify and attract players...the boss will make the final decision. This is a bit of a 'one off'....we weren't focussed on Tired-er, but we did want to offload Osvaldo.....probably Tired-guy was the only option...we tried him, he doesn't hit the standards the manager has set, so we have off-loaded him and his wages...pretty good business...which enables us to look for other options...the good news is that we did not buy him...so there is no real risk here....I still expect some activity in the next 72 hours, but if not, we still have a good looking squad and will keep Corkie and Ramires.....
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: A Les Reed choice?[/p][/quote]Reed and the team will identify and attract players...the boss will make the final decision. This is a bit of a 'one off'....we weren't focussed on Tired-er, but we did want to offload Osvaldo.....probably Tired-guy was the only option...we tried him, he doesn't hit the standards the manager has set, so we have off-loaded him and his wages...pretty good business...which enables us to look for other options...the good news is that we did not buy him...so there is no real risk here....I still expect some activity in the next 72 hours, but if not, we still have a good looking squad and will keep Corkie and Ramires..... Wembley76
  • Score: 16

6:31am Sat 30 Aug 14

nomorerumours says...

There are some very strange comments on here and some of the usual knee jerk reactions trying to apportion blame to the board or somewhere else. The decision to buy or hire a player is rarely straightforward especially when it's an overseas player coming to a different country, different culture and probably a different language. The football skills and past track record of a player are easier to assess (with statistics, video evidence, scouting/watching liver games and reports from trusted sources who have known the player) but a player's mental attitude, willingness to embrace change and adapt to an alien set-up is much harder to evaluate. Sometimes there is evidence of a player's behaviour such as a lot of red cards, suspensions, disciplinary issues and hearings and very bad press. A view needs to be taken on this and whether it is worth taking a risk on the player. The extreme example is Barcelona buying Suarez. A brilliant striker with a dreadful disciplinary record. It is much harder when there is a lower profile player. As far as I can see, there had been no mention of any behavioural issues with Taider. We had taken on the loan exchange for Osvaldo - a player with a long record of not fitting in with clubs. Taider looked good in the World Cup and his club record was sound. At least we got him on a loan with an option to buy. Unfortunate that it has ended so quickly. He seemed to have a decent game for our under 21s about 10 days ago and he scored. Perhaps he should have given it longer. It certainly does not reflect on the club. We have a good reputation for helping players to settle in and adjust. Ignore all the taunts from other clubs' fans, especially those idiots who try to hijack our site. We need to move on. Yes, time is running out in this window but it's not that long until January and we have most positions well covered now.
There are some very strange comments on here and some of the usual knee jerk reactions trying to apportion blame to the board or somewhere else. The decision to buy or hire a player is rarely straightforward especially when it's an overseas player coming to a different country, different culture and probably a different language. The football skills and past track record of a player are easier to assess (with statistics, video evidence, scouting/watching liver games and reports from trusted sources who have known the player) but a player's mental attitude, willingness to embrace change and adapt to an alien set-up is much harder to evaluate. Sometimes there is evidence of a player's behaviour such as a lot of red cards, suspensions, disciplinary issues and hearings and very bad press. A view needs to be taken on this and whether it is worth taking a risk on the player. The extreme example is Barcelona buying Suarez. A brilliant striker with a dreadful disciplinary record. It is much harder when there is a lower profile player. As far as I can see, there had been no mention of any behavioural issues with Taider. We had taken on the loan exchange for Osvaldo - a player with a long record of not fitting in with clubs. Taider looked good in the World Cup and his club record was sound. At least we got him on a loan with an option to buy. Unfortunate that it has ended so quickly. He seemed to have a decent game for our under 21s about 10 days ago and he scored. Perhaps he should have given it longer. It certainly does not reflect on the club. We have a good reputation for helping players to settle in and adjust. Ignore all the taunts from other clubs' fans, especially those idiots who try to hijack our site. We need to move on. Yes, time is running out in this window but it's not that long until January and we have most positions well covered now. nomorerumours
  • Score: 21

6:42am Sat 30 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Wembley76 wrote:
The fact is the boy doesn't want to train to the standards of RoKo...good on the boss to identify the problem early and ship him and his enormous wages out!! What is wring with some of these lads, paid a fortune, molly coddled, hero-worshipped by fans who could only 'dream' of such a lifestyle and they are not prepared to 'work at it'....we now learn that Shaw was continually having fitness problems under MoPo and Roy,,,great bit of business getting £27m for an overrated player who has yet to prove his ability and commitment, We have good committed players in the form of Cork, Davis, Fonte, JWP who are prepared to work their socks of for the team. Ciao, au-revoir, good riddance Tired-er!!
While I concur that we have plenty in the midfield already, I don't find it reassuring that players bought in to make up the numbers for over half of our best players can be ousted so quickly without much game time on the pitch to prove whether or not they are up to the grade. We were told he would be a great addition to the squad, and his 2 appearances were hailed by the manager and fans alike. The timing of his departure couldn't be worse. Right at the end of the transfer window, before we have got any other players in. Time will tell how this will pan out, but at this stage I do have concerns about this season. Our youth players are being expected to plug gaps where we should have proven experience to back them up. Reed stated to judge him in September when the results would speak for themselves. Going by that statement there had better be a win on Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: The fact is the boy doesn't want to train to the standards of RoKo...good on the boss to identify the problem early and ship him and his enormous wages out!! What is wring with some of these lads, paid a fortune, molly coddled, hero-worshipped by fans who could only 'dream' of such a lifestyle and they are not prepared to 'work at it'....we now learn that Shaw was continually having fitness problems under MoPo and Roy,,,great bit of business getting £27m for an overrated player who has yet to prove his ability and commitment, We have good committed players in the form of Cork, Davis, Fonte, JWP who are prepared to work their socks of for the team. Ciao, au-revoir, good riddance Tired-er!![/p][/quote]While I concur that we have plenty in the midfield already, I don't find it reassuring that players bought in to make up the numbers for over half of our best players can be ousted so quickly without much game time on the pitch to prove whether or not they are up to the grade. We were told he would be a great addition to the squad, and his 2 appearances were hailed by the manager and fans alike. The timing of his departure couldn't be worse. Right at the end of the transfer window, before we have got any other players in. Time will tell how this will pan out, but at this stage I do have concerns about this season. Our youth players are being expected to plug gaps where we should have proven experience to back them up. Reed stated to judge him in September when the results would speak for themselves. Going by that statement there had better be a win on Saturday. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: -9

6:54am Sat 30 Aug 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

Well, that is a better record than Ali Dia (or was it?)
Well, that is a better record than Ali Dia (or was it?) Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 3

6:54am Sat 30 Aug 14

Buddy SFC says...

Well according to the Neggies on here we should have bought him !

Hmmmmmmm glad we didn't !
Well according to the Neggies on here we should have bought him ! Hmmmmmmm glad we didn't ! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 16

6:57am Sat 30 Aug 14

one in the crowd says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Wembley76 wrote:
The fact is the boy doesn't want to train to the standards of RoKo...good on the boss to identify the problem early and ship him and his enormous wages out!! What is wring with some of these lads, paid a fortune, molly coddled, hero-worshipped by fans who could only 'dream' of such a lifestyle and they are not prepared to 'work at it'....we now learn that Shaw was continually having fitness problems under MoPo and Roy,,,great bit of business getting £27m for an overrated player who has yet to prove his ability and commitment, We have good committed players in the form of Cork, Davis, Fonte, JWP who are prepared to work their socks of for the team. Ciao, au-revoir, good riddance Tired-er!!
While I concur that we have plenty in the midfield already, I don't find it reassuring that players bought in to make up the numbers for over half of our best players can be ousted so quickly without much game time on the pitch to prove whether or not they are up to the grade. We were told he would be a great addition to the squad, and his 2 appearances were hailed by the manager and fans alike. The timing of his departure couldn't be worse. Right at the end of the transfer window, before we have got any other players in. Time will tell how this will pan out, but at this stage I do have concerns about this season. Our youth players are being expected to plug gaps where we should have proven experience to back them up. Reed stated to judge him in September when the results would speak for themselves. Going by that statement there had better be a win on Saturday.
Likely score for Saturday 30/8/2014

West Ham United 2 -------- Southampton 1
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: The fact is the boy doesn't want to train to the standards of RoKo...good on the boss to identify the problem early and ship him and his enormous wages out!! What is wring with some of these lads, paid a fortune, molly coddled, hero-worshipped by fans who could only 'dream' of such a lifestyle and they are not prepared to 'work at it'....we now learn that Shaw was continually having fitness problems under MoPo and Roy,,,great bit of business getting £27m for an overrated player who has yet to prove his ability and commitment, We have good committed players in the form of Cork, Davis, Fonte, JWP who are prepared to work their socks of for the team. Ciao, au-revoir, good riddance Tired-er!![/p][/quote]While I concur that we have plenty in the midfield already, I don't find it reassuring that players bought in to make up the numbers for over half of our best players can be ousted so quickly without much game time on the pitch to prove whether or not they are up to the grade. We were told he would be a great addition to the squad, and his 2 appearances were hailed by the manager and fans alike. The timing of his departure couldn't be worse. Right at the end of the transfer window, before we have got any other players in. Time will tell how this will pan out, but at this stage I do have concerns about this season. Our youth players are being expected to plug gaps where we should have proven experience to back them up. Reed stated to judge him in September when the results would speak for themselves. Going by that statement there had better be a win on Saturday.[/p][/quote]Likely score for Saturday 30/8/2014 West Ham United 2 -------- Southampton 1 one in the crowd
  • Score: -6

7:01am Sat 30 Aug 14

Buddy SFC says...

redandy10 wrote:
A Les Reed choice?
What to get rid of the mad one for another season , Yep !
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: A Les Reed choice?[/p][/quote]What to get rid of the mad one for another season , Yep ! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 5

7:02am Sat 30 Aug 14

Wembley76 says...

one in the crowd wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Wembley76 wrote:
The fact is the boy doesn't want to train to the standards of RoKo...good on the boss to identify the problem early and ship him and his enormous wages out!! What is wring with some of these lads, paid a fortune, molly coddled, hero-worshipped by fans who could only 'dream' of such a lifestyle and they are not prepared to 'work at it'....we now learn that Shaw was continually having fitness problems under MoPo and Roy,,,great bit of business getting £27m for an overrated player who has yet to prove his ability and commitment, We have good committed players in the form of Cork, Davis, Fonte, JWP who are prepared to work their socks of for the team. Ciao, au-revoir, good riddance Tired-er!!
While I concur that we have plenty in the midfield already, I don't find it reassuring that players bought in to make up the numbers for over half of our best players can be ousted so quickly without much game time on the pitch to prove whether or not they are up to the grade. We were told he would be a great addition to the squad, and his 2 appearances were hailed by the manager and fans alike. The timing of his departure couldn't be worse. Right at the end of the transfer window, before we have got any other players in. Time will tell how this will pan out, but at this stage I do have concerns about this season. Our youth players are being expected to plug gaps where we should have proven experience to back them up. Reed stated to judge him in September when the results would speak for themselves. Going by that statement there had better be a win on Saturday.
Likely score for Saturday 30/8/2014

West Ham United 2 -------- Southampton 1
More likely a draw, defensively we are strong, they have a lot of players out, and there is no reason we will not cope with them and it is unlikely we will let in 2 goals.....the critical issue is whether Pelle can 'kick on' from Millwall and the partnership with Long has developed in another week on the training pitch. Let's be optimistic....we can secure a 1-0 win!!!.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: The fact is the boy doesn't want to train to the standards of RoKo...good on the boss to identify the problem early and ship him and his enormous wages out!! What is wring with some of these lads, paid a fortune, molly coddled, hero-worshipped by fans who could only 'dream' of such a lifestyle and they are not prepared to 'work at it'....we now learn that Shaw was continually having fitness problems under MoPo and Roy,,,great bit of business getting £27m for an overrated player who has yet to prove his ability and commitment, We have good committed players in the form of Cork, Davis, Fonte, JWP who are prepared to work their socks of for the team. Ciao, au-revoir, good riddance Tired-er!![/p][/quote]While I concur that we have plenty in the midfield already, I don't find it reassuring that players bought in to make up the numbers for over half of our best players can be ousted so quickly without much game time on the pitch to prove whether or not they are up to the grade. We were told he would be a great addition to the squad, and his 2 appearances were hailed by the manager and fans alike. The timing of his departure couldn't be worse. Right at the end of the transfer window, before we have got any other players in. Time will tell how this will pan out, but at this stage I do have concerns about this season. Our youth players are being expected to plug gaps where we should have proven experience to back them up. Reed stated to judge him in September when the results would speak for themselves. Going by that statement there had better be a win on Saturday.[/p][/quote]Likely score for Saturday 30/8/2014 West Ham United 2 -------- Southampton 1[/p][/quote]More likely a draw, defensively we are strong, they have a lot of players out, and there is no reason we will not cope with them and it is unlikely we will let in 2 goals.....the critical issue is whether Pelle can 'kick on' from Millwall and the partnership with Long has developed in another week on the training pitch. Let's be optimistic....we can secure a 1-0 win!!!. Wembley76
  • Score: 11

7:03am Sat 30 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Silly hair do anyway.
Move on Saints and get another one.........very soon would be handy!
Silly hair do anyway. Move on Saints and get another one.........very soon would be handy! J7junctionseven
  • Score: 7

7:09am Sat 30 Aug 14

Saint Clements says...

one in the crowd wrote:
What a farce.

Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window.

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the club be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
The first half of your post is very fair. Most balanced people will say the Board has failed its promise of open communication. And this transfer certainly does make them (and by extension the club) look incompetitent. Which probably also undoes much of the good press we were getting for Bertrand, Forster and the exciting Tadic. Let's hope this doesn't put off the reported 'two signings' we've been close to for what feels an eternity.

However, to say we'll be in the relegation zone at the end of the season - in my opinion - undermines the strength of the first part of your argument and makes it easy to dismiss your entire post. Because - again, IMO - there's very little chance of us going down. We've an excellent keeper, a goodish defence (once we get Yos out) a strong midfield and, when J-Rod returns, an average attack (average, as in mid-table). Therefore I personally don't think we'll be anywhere nesr the bottom - at worst 14th and at best eighth-ninth.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: What a farce. Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window. Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the club be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more.[/p][/quote]The first half of your post is very fair. Most balanced people will say the Board has failed its promise of open communication. And this transfer certainly does make them (and by extension the club) look incompetitent. Which probably also undoes much of the good press we were getting for Bertrand, Forster and the exciting Tadic. Let's hope this doesn't put off the reported 'two signings' we've been close to for what feels an eternity. However, to say we'll be in the relegation zone at the end of the season - in my opinion - undermines the strength of the first part of your argument and makes it easy to dismiss your entire post. Because - again, IMO - there's very little chance of us going down. We've an excellent keeper, a goodish defence (once we get Yos out) a strong midfield and, when J-Rod returns, an average attack (average, as in mid-table). Therefore I personally don't think we'll be anywhere nesr the bottom - at worst 14th and at best eighth-ninth. Saint Clements
  • Score: 9

7:11am Sat 30 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
Well according to the Neggies on here we should have bought him !

Hmmmmmmm glad we didn't !
I'm not a neggie and didn't say we should have signed him. Rather that the original loan deal was honored barring a training ground fistfight and he had some game time to prove himself.

J7 I agree...
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: Well according to the Neggies on here we should have bought him ! Hmmmmmmm glad we didn't ![/p][/quote]I'm not a neggie and didn't say we should have signed him. Rather that the original loan deal was honored barring a training ground fistfight and he had some game time to prove himself. J7 I agree... KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 0

7:19am Sat 30 Aug 14

EricMartin'sHat says...

There aren't enough Giant Watch Shops Below Bar for him to spend his wages; it's an issue that needs to be resolved if we want to attract the big stars.
There aren't enough Giant Watch Shops Below Bar for him to spend his wages; it's an issue that needs to be resolved if we want to attract the big stars. EricMartin'sHat
  • Score: 7

7:27am Sat 30 Aug 14

wellow saint says...

deepheat wrote:
We didn't need him in the first place.

BBC Radio Solent understands that the midfielder has failed to adapt to the physical training demands under Ronald Koeman.

I had to look up Sassuolo FC. They are relegation fodder.


I hope this means a new contract for Jack Cork.
Spot on re Jack Cork and I imagine that Raimerez is also struggling with the physical side, based on what we have seen. I know some fans have said this could be his season, but I just can't see it .
[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: We didn't need him in the first place. BBC Radio Solent understands that the midfielder has failed to adapt to the physical training demands under Ronald Koeman. I had to look up Sassuolo FC. They are relegation fodder. I hope this means a new contract for Jack Cork.[/p][/quote]Spot on re Jack Cork and I imagine that Raimerez is also struggling with the physical side, based on what we have seen. I know some fans have said this could be his season, but I just can't see it . wellow saint
  • Score: 5

7:29am Sat 30 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Don't reply to "one pr1ck makes a skate crowd"
You're giving it the attention it's craving.
Ignore it and it will go away.
Come on COYR and come on Newport
Don't reply to "one pr1ck makes a skate crowd" You're giving it the attention it's craving. Ignore it and it will go away. Come on COYR and come on Newport J7junctionseven
  • Score: 3

7:30am Sat 30 Aug 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Taider is an example of why Saints should be using the Loan system more often. It is like test driving a car before you buy, good job we didn't waste money on him.

I have said this before that when a club brings in so many new players at once you can be certain that some will not prove good enough or able to settle in either the team or this country or both, as appears to be the case with Taider.

Bertrand is different because he is a proven Premier LB and a stop gap / cover until Targett is ready.

I am increasingly concerned about how much influence RonKo has with the transfer dealings, some like Tadic & Pelle yes obviously his choice, but Taider probably not.

I have also been saying that we MUST only buy better quality players than we had or already have. At the moment I think that we have only done this with Forster on the basis that he is 6 years younger than Boruc.

Will Pelle prove to be better for us than than Ricky ?
Will Gardos be as good as Lovren or even better than our other three ?
Will Long improve and be the goalscorer we need or was he bought as J-Rods replacement ?
Hopefully Tadic will improve to be an influencial player constantly involved like Lallana was.

We need better quality if we are to improve and at the moment I don't believe we have done that.
We have seen us fail to sign any more of the quality players we have been targeting, I just hope that we can sign the 3 or 4 top players that we still need by Monday night, although it is looking increasingly unlikely.

The bigger concern is how Saints are now perceived with players preferring our mid to lower table rivals like QPR & Sunderland, opposite to what it was in January.

Come on Les only a couple of days left to sign a top quality proven CB, Winger and Goalscorer at the very least.
Taider is an example of why Saints should be using the Loan system more often. It is like test driving a car before you buy, good job we didn't waste money on him. I have said this before that when a club brings in so many new players at once you can be certain that some will not prove good enough or able to settle in either the team or this country or both, as appears to be the case with Taider. Bertrand is different because he is a proven Premier LB and a stop gap / cover until Targett is ready. I am increasingly concerned about how much influence RonKo has with the transfer dealings, some like Tadic & Pelle yes obviously his choice, but Taider probably not. I have also been saying that we MUST only buy better quality players than we had or already have. At the moment I think that we have only done this with Forster on the basis that he is 6 years younger than Boruc. Will Pelle prove to be better for us than than Ricky ? Will Gardos be as good as Lovren or even better than our other three ? Will Long improve and be the goalscorer we need or was he bought as J-Rods replacement ? Hopefully Tadic will improve to be an influencial player constantly involved like Lallana was. We need better quality if we are to improve and at the moment I don't believe we have done that. We have seen us fail to sign any more of the quality players we have been targeting, I just hope that we can sign the 3 or 4 top players that we still need by Monday night, although it is looking increasingly unlikely. The bigger concern is how Saints are now perceived with players preferring our mid to lower table rivals like QPR & Sunderland, opposite to what it was in January. Come on Les only a couple of days left to sign a top quality proven CB, Winger and Goalscorer at the very least. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 8

7:30am Sat 30 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

EricMartin'sHat wrote:
There aren't enough Giant Watch Shops Below Bar for him to spend his wages; it's an issue that needs to be resolved if we want to attract the big stars.
Like :o)
[quote][p][bold]EricMartin'sHat[/bold] wrote: There aren't enough Giant Watch Shops Below Bar for him to spend his wages; it's an issue that needs to be resolved if we want to attract the big stars.[/p][/quote]Like :o) J7junctionseven
  • Score: 1

7:35am Sat 30 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
EricMartin'sHat wrote:
There aren't enough Giant Watch Shops Below Bar for him to spend his wages; it's an issue that needs to be resolved if we want to attract the big stars.
Like :o)
actually that is funny lol

Despite my views on here today, I hope the away fans have something to cheer about and we get a win today. Have a good day all.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EricMartin'sHat[/bold] wrote: There aren't enough Giant Watch Shops Below Bar for him to spend his wages; it's an issue that needs to be resolved if we want to attract the big stars.[/p][/quote]Like :o)[/p][/quote]actually that is funny lol Despite my views on here today, I hope the away fans have something to cheer about and we get a win today. Have a good day all. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 4

7:46am Sat 30 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones…
....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page.
We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management..
The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future.
The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage.
The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog.
Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point.
We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp..
Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here…
I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.
Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones… ....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page. We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management.. The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future. The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage. The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog. Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point. We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp.. Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here… I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us. warrens 76
  • Score: -7

7:49am Sat 30 Aug 14

SnapperSaint says...

one in the crowd wrote:
What a farce.

Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window.

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the club be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
What a crock of sh1t!
Why do you spend so much time on this site repeating the same worn out points, go away and be a real supporter for whichever club it is you think you support!
Go and get lost in the crowd searching for your lost cause...
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: What a farce. Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window. Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the club be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more.[/p][/quote]What a crock of sh1t! Why do you spend so much time on this site repeating the same worn out points, go away and be a real supporter for whichever club it is you think you support! Go and get lost in the crowd searching for your lost cause... SnapperSaint
  • Score: 2

7:50am Sat 30 Aug 14

SNUGGLES 78 says...

one in the crowd wrote:
What a farce.

Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window.

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the club be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
another 45 plus sky money to bank soon ,then the club will be put up for sale , but , the relegation zone will put most buyers off.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: What a farce. Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window. Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the club be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more.[/p][/quote]another 45 plus sky money to bank soon ,then the club will be put up for sale , but , the relegation zone will put most buyers off. SNUGGLES 78
  • Score: -17

7:52am Sat 30 Aug 14

SNUGGLES 78 says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones…
....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page.
We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management..
The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future.
The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage.
The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog.
Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point.
We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp..
Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here…
I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.
well said . agent jones.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones… ....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page. We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management.. The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future. The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage. The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog. Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point. We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp.. Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here… I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.[/p][/quote]well said . agent jones. SNUGGLES 78
  • Score: -7

7:59am Sat 30 Aug 14

mickey01 says...

the revolving door spins again
the revolving door spins again mickey01
  • Score: -2

7:59am Sat 30 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

There's another nappy wearing pr1ck (snugglers) craving attention.

Ignore it and it'll go away

COYR
There's another nappy wearing pr1ck (snugglers) craving attention. Ignore it and it'll go away COYR J7junctionseven
  • Score: 5

8:02am Sat 30 Aug 14

Chipmonk1 says...

Can't honestly think why so many have their knickers in a knot over this. Osvaldo gone, a player the gaffer doesn't think can hack it is jettisoned with very little cost to the club and an unhappy player moves on. Win win as far as I can see. Not every signing at every club works out. There are too many examples to choose from so I'll go with Lovren at Liverpool. (Sorry couldn't resist).
Can't honestly think why so many have their knickers in a knot over this. Osvaldo gone, a player the gaffer doesn't think can hack it is jettisoned with very little cost to the club and an unhappy player moves on. Win win as far as I can see. Not every signing at every club works out. There are too many examples to choose from so I'll go with Lovren at Liverpool. (Sorry couldn't resist). Chipmonk1
  • Score: 10

8:03am Sat 30 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Chipmonk1 wrote:
Can't honestly think why so many have their knickers in a knot over this. Osvaldo gone, a player the gaffer doesn't think can hack it is jettisoned with very little cost to the club and an unhappy player moves on. Win win as far as I can see. Not every signing at every club works out. There are too many examples to choose from so I'll go with Lovren at Liverpool. (Sorry couldn't resist).
Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: Can't honestly think why so many have their knickers in a knot over this. Osvaldo gone, a player the gaffer doesn't think can hack it is jettisoned with very little cost to the club and an unhappy player moves on. Win win as far as I can see. Not every signing at every club works out. There are too many examples to choose from so I'll go with Lovren at Liverpool. (Sorry couldn't resist).[/p][/quote]Spot on. J7junctionseven
  • Score: 5

8:04am Sat 30 Aug 14

jls217 says...

I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.
It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season.
I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless.
Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again.
Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle.
Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really.
Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears.
Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.
I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths. It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season. I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless. Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again. Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle. Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really. Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears. Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it. jls217
  • Score: 12

8:07am Sat 30 Aug 14

Wembley76 says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones…
....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page.
We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management..
The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future.
The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage.
The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog.
Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point.
We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp..
Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here…
I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.
Clearly suffering from long term / medium term memory loss....check the results, performances and status of Saints over the past 40 years....you will find that we have faced more 'challenges' than 'successes'...and that in the recent past we have risen from a Lge 1 in administration to the Premier league....last year we over-achieved and as a result a number of players and managers believed they were a lot better than they really are...and jumped on the 'gravy train', encouraged by avaricious agents. The club have now shown their ambition in bringing in a good manager and investing in rebuilding the squad in a short time....not a bad job in v difficult circumstances. We are now on the brink of a satisfactory season, maybe 12th, but not relegation fodder...importantly though the loyal players, the manager, and the club need 'support' from us, just as most of us have supported Saints in the 'rough days' as well as the 'good days'...we don't need fair-weather only supporters!!
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones… ....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page. We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management.. The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future. The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage. The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog. Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point. We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp.. Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here… I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.[/p][/quote]Clearly suffering from long term / medium term memory loss....check the results, performances and status of Saints over the past 40 years....you will find that we have faced more 'challenges' than 'successes'...and that in the recent past we have risen from a Lge 1 in administration to the Premier league....last year we over-achieved and as a result a number of players and managers believed they were a lot better than they really are...and jumped on the 'gravy train', encouraged by avaricious agents. The club have now shown their ambition in bringing in a good manager and investing in rebuilding the squad in a short time....not a bad job in v difficult circumstances. We are now on the brink of a satisfactory season, maybe 12th, but not relegation fodder...importantly though the loyal players, the manager, and the club need 'support' from us, just as most of us have supported Saints in the 'rough days' as well as the 'good days'...we don't need fair-weather only supporters!! Wembley76
  • Score: 12

8:11am Sat 30 Aug 14

jls217 says...

one in the crowd wrote:
What a farce.

Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window.

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the club be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
One in the crowd - Not sure what your real agenda is but this post gets my knob of the day award.
Slit your wrists it's only cure for your malady. Tip from someone who's seen a lot of such attempts. Do the femoral artery = more certain of a happy ending. Also use a dirty old blade that way if the loss of blood doesn't get you the infection will a couple of weeks down the road.
Or wake and reel the BS power lead back in - display to us who and what your real purpose for posting on here is and we can share the joke with you.
Get a grip of your brain man. Not a Saints fan really are you, just wanted to whine a bit, stir a bit of nonsense up, see if you would wind someone up - well in that you have succeeded now **** off.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: What a farce. Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window. Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the club be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more.[/p][/quote]One in the crowd - Not sure what your real agenda is but this post gets my knob of the day award. Slit your wrists it's only cure for your malady. Tip from someone who's seen a lot of such attempts. Do the femoral artery = more certain of a happy ending. Also use a dirty old blade that way if the loss of blood doesn't get you the infection will a couple of weeks down the road. Or wake and reel the BS power lead back in - display to us who and what your real purpose for posting on here is and we can share the joke with you. Get a grip of your brain man. Not a Saints fan really are you, just wanted to whine a bit, stir a bit of nonsense up, see if you would wind someone up - well in that you have succeeded now **** off. jls217
  • Score: 2

8:15am Sat 30 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
What a farce.

Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window.

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the club be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
That's only one question,what were the other ones?
4th Street - Could we kindly request you become this chap's counsellor for the day. You seem to have the patience and to be in the right frame of mind to tolerate him. Warning there may be others being sent your way also if you are successful in getting this poor man to engage his wits.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: What a farce. Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window. Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the club be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more.[/p][/quote]That's only one question,what were the other ones?[/p][/quote]4th Street - Could we kindly request you become this chap's counsellor for the day. You seem to have the patience and to be in the right frame of mind to tolerate him. Warning there may be others being sent your way also if you are successful in getting this poor man to engage his wits. jls217
  • Score: 1

8:18am Sat 30 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

jls217 wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
What a farce.

Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window.

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the club be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
One in the crowd - Not sure what your real agenda is but this post gets my knob of the day award.
Slit your wrists it's only cure for your malady. Tip from someone who's seen a lot of such attempts. Do the femoral artery = more certain of a happy ending. Also use a dirty old blade that way if the loss of blood doesn't get you the infection will a couple of weeks down the road.
Or wake and reel the BS power lead back in - display to us who and what your real purpose for posting on here is and we can share the joke with you.
Get a grip of your brain man. Not a Saints fan really are you, just wanted to whine a bit, stir a bit of nonsense up, see if you would wind someone up - well in that you have succeeded now **** off.
Stop giving them the attention they crave and they will f@ck off.
They won't if you keep replying to the freaks.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: What a farce. Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window. Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the club be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more.[/p][/quote]One in the crowd - Not sure what your real agenda is but this post gets my knob of the day award. Slit your wrists it's only cure for your malady. Tip from someone who's seen a lot of such attempts. Do the femoral artery = more certain of a happy ending. Also use a dirty old blade that way if the loss of blood doesn't get you the infection will a couple of weeks down the road. Or wake and reel the BS power lead back in - display to us who and what your real purpose for posting on here is and we can share the joke with you. Get a grip of your brain man. Not a Saints fan really are you, just wanted to whine a bit, stir a bit of nonsense up, see if you would wind someone up - well in that you have succeeded now **** off.[/p][/quote]Stop giving them the attention they crave and they will f@ck off. They won't if you keep replying to the freaks. J7junctionseven
  • Score: 1

8:19am Sat 30 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Wembley76 wrote:
The fact is the boy doesn't want to train to the standards of RoKo...good on the boss to identify the problem early and ship him and his enormous wages out!! What is wring with some of these lads, paid a fortune, molly coddled, hero-worshipped by fans who could only 'dream' of such a lifestyle and they are not prepared to 'work at it'....we now learn that Shaw was continually having fitness problems under MoPo and Roy,,,great bit of business getting £27m for an overrated player who has yet to prove his ability and commitment, We have good committed players in the form of Cork, Davis, Fonte, JWP who are prepared to work their socks of for the team. Ciao, au-revoir, good riddance Tired-er!!
A voice of harsh reality therapy at last - thanks for bringing it all down to the lowest common denominator. Please post on here more often - we need more of you and your common sense.

Hope knob head of the day reads your sage reasoning.
[quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: The fact is the boy doesn't want to train to the standards of RoKo...good on the boss to identify the problem early and ship him and his enormous wages out!! What is wring with some of these lads, paid a fortune, molly coddled, hero-worshipped by fans who could only 'dream' of such a lifestyle and they are not prepared to 'work at it'....we now learn that Shaw was continually having fitness problems under MoPo and Roy,,,great bit of business getting £27m for an overrated player who has yet to prove his ability and commitment, We have good committed players in the form of Cork, Davis, Fonte, JWP who are prepared to work their socks of for the team. Ciao, au-revoir, good riddance Tired-er!![/p][/quote]A voice of harsh reality therapy at last - thanks for bringing it all down to the lowest common denominator. Please post on here more often - we need more of you and your common sense. Hope knob head of the day reads your sage reasoning. jls217
  • Score: 4

8:20am Sat 30 Aug 14

St. Teach says...

What a load of reactionary rubbish. A player who doesn't matter can't handle it. Big deal. Also, why are so many of you resorting to cheap rhetorical tricks to make your points? "Balanced fans would agree", "any realistic person can see". It just shows you have no confidence in your opinion and are hedging with little insults at all those who think differently. So boring.

I suggest you all get back to watching football rather than worrying about it.
What a load of reactionary rubbish. A player who doesn't matter can't handle it. Big deal. Also, why are so many of you resorting to cheap rhetorical tricks to make your points? "Balanced fans would agree", "any realistic person can see". It just shows you have no confidence in your opinion and are hedging with little insults at all those who think differently. So boring. I suggest you all get back to watching football rather than worrying about it. St. Teach
  • Score: 7

8:21am Sat 30 Aug 14

jls217 says...

saintand266 wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
What a farce.

Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window.

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the club be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
Bellend
Wow all in one word - wish I could do that.
[quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: What a farce. Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window. Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the club be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more.[/p][/quote]Bellend[/p][/quote]Wow all in one word - wish I could do that. jls217
  • Score: 4

8:25am Sat 30 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

jls217 wrote:
I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.
It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season.
I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless.
Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again.
Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle.
Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really.
Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears.
Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.
I don't appreciate your condescending tone. I'll explain how this could have been foreseen, if you can explain the wisdom in last minute offloading of players when we have meant to be getting 2 new signings for nearly two weeks. While I agree that Taider may be no great loss. We have only two days left. Taider is a talented footballer, he was benched for a long time at Inter last season. This should have been a red flag for us to begin with. Even his performance in the WC was scrutinized. For me Taider isn't the issue. It's really about the timing of this departure, the knowledge that we need more signings and we have little time left to secure them.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths. It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season. I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless. Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again. Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle. Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really. Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears. Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.[/p][/quote]I don't appreciate your condescending tone. I'll explain how this could have been foreseen, if you can explain the wisdom in last minute offloading of players when we have meant to be getting 2 new signings for nearly two weeks. While I agree that Taider may be no great loss. We have only two days left. Taider is a talented footballer, he was benched for a long time at Inter last season. This should have been a red flag for us to begin with. Even his performance in the WC was scrutinized. For me Taider isn't the issue. It's really about the timing of this departure, the knowledge that we need more signings and we have little time left to secure them. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 2

8:25am Sat 30 Aug 14

one in the crowd says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones…
....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page.
We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management..
The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future.
The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage.
The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog.
Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point.
We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp..
Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here…
I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.
At last a Saints fan who realises what has, and is still happening at Saints.

Those in positions of power at Saints have made a complete c*ck-up of everything since the end of last season and couldn't organise a p*ss-up in a brewery. Many posters on here have said this time after time, only to be called neggies by fans that blindly follow Saints no matter what stupid things the board does.

It's time those fans woke up , the season has already started, the transfer window is about to slam shut and the team is in need of 3 highly skilled players, BUT DON'T PANIC THE CLUB HAS EVERYTHING UNDER CONTROL.

If some fans are daft enough to believe that then they need urgent help !
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones… ....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page. We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management.. The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future. The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage. The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog. Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point. We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp.. Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here… I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.[/p][/quote]At last a Saints fan who realises what has, and is still happening at Saints. Those in positions of power at Saints have made a complete c*ck-up of everything since the end of last season and couldn't organise a p*ss-up in a brewery. Many posters on here have said this time after time, only to be called neggies by fans that blindly follow Saints no matter what stupid things the board does. It's time those fans woke up , the season has already started, the transfer window is about to slam shut and the team is in need of 3 highly skilled players, BUT DON'T PANIC THE CLUB HAS EVERYTHING UNDER CONTROL. If some fans are daft enough to believe that then they need urgent help ! one in the crowd
  • Score: -4

8:30am Sat 30 Aug 14

jls217 says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
The question in my now paranoid mind is....What if our new CB Gardos isn't up to scratch before he's played a game also?
Good question Kiwi - there is no guarantee in any purchase. I understand even Rolls Royce have failures. All down to the lad really, he clearly has the attributes but is he going to fit the club is he going to have a missing Romania blues session half way through the season, will he have a career ending injury today? Nobody really knows till he's given the chance - all the research, checking, monitoring in the world can never guarantee that what you've bought is the dogs blx as opposed to a cockroaches scrotum.
No answer to the question mate so I guess I can only advise that you enjoy the paranoia - it means you're alive. Tomorrow you might now be - see what I mean - no such thing as guaranteed. Take a risk and get out of bed or stay in the bed and fester.
Looking forward to a great game and you posting on here later how orgasmic you feel after hearing the results ;-)
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: The question in my now paranoid mind is....What if our new CB Gardos isn't up to scratch before he's played a game also?[/p][/quote]Good question Kiwi - there is no guarantee in any purchase. I understand even Rolls Royce have failures. All down to the lad really, he clearly has the attributes but is he going to fit the club is he going to have a missing Romania blues session half way through the season, will he have a career ending injury today? Nobody really knows till he's given the chance - all the research, checking, monitoring in the world can never guarantee that what you've bought is the dogs blx as opposed to a cockroaches scrotum. No answer to the question mate so I guess I can only advise that you enjoy the paranoia - it means you're alive. Tomorrow you might now be - see what I mean - no such thing as guaranteed. Take a risk and get out of bed or stay in the bed and fester. Looking forward to a great game and you posting on here later how orgasmic you feel after hearing the results ;-) jls217
  • Score: 7

8:32am Sat 30 Aug 14

jls217 says...

nomorerumours wrote:
There are some very strange comments on here and some of the usual knee jerk reactions trying to apportion blame to the board or somewhere else. The decision to buy or hire a player is rarely straightforward especially when it's an overseas player coming to a different country, different culture and probably a different language. The football skills and past track record of a player are easier to assess (with statistics, video evidence, scouting/watching liver games and reports from trusted sources who have known the player) but a player's mental attitude, willingness to embrace change and adapt to an alien set-up is much harder to evaluate. Sometimes there is evidence of a player's behaviour such as a lot of red cards, suspensions, disciplinary issues and hearings and very bad press. A view needs to be taken on this and whether it is worth taking a risk on the player. The extreme example is Barcelona buying Suarez. A brilliant striker with a dreadful disciplinary record. It is much harder when there is a lower profile player. As far as I can see, there had been no mention of any behavioural issues with Taider. We had taken on the loan exchange for Osvaldo - a player with a long record of not fitting in with clubs. Taider looked good in the World Cup and his club record was sound. At least we got him on a loan with an option to buy. Unfortunate that it has ended so quickly. He seemed to have a decent game for our under 21s about 10 days ago and he scored. Perhaps he should have given it longer. It certainly does not reflect on the club. We have a good reputation for helping players to settle in and adjust. Ignore all the taunts from other clubs' fans, especially those idiots who try to hijack our site. We need to move on. Yes, time is running out in this window but it's not that long until January and we have most positions well covered now.
You are my hero - can't agree more.
[quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: There are some very strange comments on here and some of the usual knee jerk reactions trying to apportion blame to the board or somewhere else. The decision to buy or hire a player is rarely straightforward especially when it's an overseas player coming to a different country, different culture and probably a different language. The football skills and past track record of a player are easier to assess (with statistics, video evidence, scouting/watching liver games and reports from trusted sources who have known the player) but a player's mental attitude, willingness to embrace change and adapt to an alien set-up is much harder to evaluate. Sometimes there is evidence of a player's behaviour such as a lot of red cards, suspensions, disciplinary issues and hearings and very bad press. A view needs to be taken on this and whether it is worth taking a risk on the player. The extreme example is Barcelona buying Suarez. A brilliant striker with a dreadful disciplinary record. It is much harder when there is a lower profile player. As far as I can see, there had been no mention of any behavioural issues with Taider. We had taken on the loan exchange for Osvaldo - a player with a long record of not fitting in with clubs. Taider looked good in the World Cup and his club record was sound. At least we got him on a loan with an option to buy. Unfortunate that it has ended so quickly. He seemed to have a decent game for our under 21s about 10 days ago and he scored. Perhaps he should have given it longer. It certainly does not reflect on the club. We have a good reputation for helping players to settle in and adjust. Ignore all the taunts from other clubs' fans, especially those idiots who try to hijack our site. We need to move on. Yes, time is running out in this window but it's not that long until January and we have most positions well covered now.[/p][/quote]You are my hero - can't agree more. jls217
  • Score: 5

8:32am Sat 30 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

jls217 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
The question in my now paranoid mind is....What if our new CB Gardos isn't up to scratch before he's played a game also?
Good question Kiwi - there is no guarantee in any purchase. I understand even Rolls Royce have failures. All down to the lad really, he clearly has the attributes but is he going to fit the club is he going to have a missing Romania blues session half way through the season, will he have a career ending injury today? Nobody really knows till he's given the chance - all the research, checking, monitoring in the world can never guarantee that what you've bought is the dogs blx as opposed to a cockroaches scrotum.
No answer to the question mate so I guess I can only advise that you enjoy the paranoia - it means you're alive. Tomorrow you might now be - see what I mean - no such thing as guaranteed. Take a risk and get out of bed or stay in the bed and fester.
Looking forward to a great game and you posting on here later how orgasmic you feel after hearing the results ;-)
Hahahaha good post mate, embrace the paranoia!
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: The question in my now paranoid mind is....What if our new CB Gardos isn't up to scratch before he's played a game also?[/p][/quote]Good question Kiwi - there is no guarantee in any purchase. I understand even Rolls Royce have failures. All down to the lad really, he clearly has the attributes but is he going to fit the club is he going to have a missing Romania blues session half way through the season, will he have a career ending injury today? Nobody really knows till he's given the chance - all the research, checking, monitoring in the world can never guarantee that what you've bought is the dogs blx as opposed to a cockroaches scrotum. No answer to the question mate so I guess I can only advise that you enjoy the paranoia - it means you're alive. Tomorrow you might now be - see what I mean - no such thing as guaranteed. Take a risk and get out of bed or stay in the bed and fester. Looking forward to a great game and you posting on here later how orgasmic you feel after hearing the results ;-)[/p][/quote]Hahahaha good post mate, embrace the paranoia! KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 1

8:43am Sat 30 Aug 14

jls217 says...

one in the crowd wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones…
....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page.
We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management..
The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future.
The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage.
The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog.
Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point.
We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp..
Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here…
I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.
At last a Saints fan who realises what has, and is still happening at Saints.

Those in positions of power at Saints have made a complete c*ck-up of everything since the end of last season and couldn't organise a p*ss-up in a brewery. Many posters on here have said this time after time, only to be called neggies by fans that blindly follow Saints no matter what stupid things the board does.

It's time those fans woke up , the season has already started, the transfer window is about to slam shut and the team is in need of 3 highly skilled players, BUT DON'T PANIC THE CLUB HAS EVERYTHING UNDER CONTROL.

If some fans are daft enough to believe that then they need urgent help !
One in a cesspit (aka sammy 2 cesspits) allow me to introduce you to warren - you should get on very well together. When the thunderclouds have disappeared from Warren's world I would think he's really quite a happy chappy. 1cesspit/2cesspits - well you're just a skate scheissensacke as they might say in Muenchen. Right now you deserve each other - enjoy.

Warren once you've fully appreciated what your drivel (sorry your opinion - I must remind myself you are entitled to it no matter how much drivel it contains) is attracting to our site in the many faces of the above mentioned numpty you may appreciate more the company of those who wish and indeed choose to have a more balanced outlook on Saints than you seem, currently, to have selected as yours. You will be welcomed back with all the Olde Worlde Charme we on this forume can muster.
Have a great day being miserable.
This season is going to be great but not as great as the next one.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones… ....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page. We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management.. The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future. The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage. The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog. Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point. We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp.. Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here… I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.[/p][/quote]At last a Saints fan who realises what has, and is still happening at Saints. Those in positions of power at Saints have made a complete c*ck-up of everything since the end of last season and couldn't organise a p*ss-up in a brewery. Many posters on here have said this time after time, only to be called neggies by fans that blindly follow Saints no matter what stupid things the board does. It's time those fans woke up , the season has already started, the transfer window is about to slam shut and the team is in need of 3 highly skilled players, BUT DON'T PANIC THE CLUB HAS EVERYTHING UNDER CONTROL. If some fans are daft enough to believe that then they need urgent help ![/p][/quote]One in a cesspit (aka sammy 2 cesspits) allow me to introduce you to warren - you should get on very well together. When the thunderclouds have disappeared from Warren's world I would think he's really quite a happy chappy. 1cesspit/2cesspits - well you're just a skate scheissensacke as they might say in Muenchen. Right now you deserve each other - enjoy. Warren once you've fully appreciated what your drivel (sorry your opinion - I must remind myself you are entitled to it no matter how much drivel it contains) is attracting to our site in the many faces of the above mentioned numpty you may appreciate more the company of those who wish and indeed choose to have a more balanced outlook on Saints than you seem, currently, to have selected as yours. You will be welcomed back with all the Olde Worlde Charme we on this forume can muster. Have a great day being miserable. This season is going to be great but not as great as the next one. jls217
  • Score: 3

8:47am Sat 30 Aug 14

Littleton-Saint says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones…
....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page.
We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management..
The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future.
The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage.
The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog.
Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point.
We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp..
Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here…
I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.
Being a true Saints' fan involves taking the rough with the smooth - not renewing season tickets is not an option. Supporting Saints is an emotional thing - there is no choice. I'm critical of the Board, manager and players sometimes, but they always have my support as they do today at Wet Spam. Let's get stuck into them today and take the points.
COYR
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones… ....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page. We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management.. The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future. The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage. The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog. Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point. We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp.. Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here… I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.[/p][/quote]Being a true Saints' fan involves taking the rough with the smooth - not renewing season tickets is not an option. Supporting Saints is an emotional thing - there is no choice. I'm critical of the Board, manager and players sometimes, but they always have my support as they do today at Wet Spam. Let's get stuck into them today and take the points. COYR Littleton-Saint
  • Score: 7

8:54am Sat 30 Aug 14

right back in the bar says...

simply another case of a spoilt brat footballer with an oversize ego who thought it beneath him to fight for a place in the team let alone fight for trophies at SFC. Does beg the question about our decision making though - given the debacles of the past, shouldn't we looking out for this sort of thing?
simply another case of a spoilt brat footballer with an oversize ego who thought it beneath him to fight for a place in the team let alone fight for trophies at SFC. Does beg the question about our decision making though - given the debacles of the past, shouldn't we looking out for this sort of thing? right back in the bar
  • Score: 0

8:56am Sat 30 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

Wembley76 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones…
....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page.
We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management..
The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future.
The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage.
The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog.
Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point.
We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp..
Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here…
I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.
Clearly suffering from long term / medium term memory loss....check the results, performances and status of Saints over the past 40 years....you will find that we have faced more 'challenges' than 'successes'...and that in the recent past we have risen from a Lge 1 in administration to the Premier league....last year we over-achieved and as a result a number of players and managers believed they were a lot better than they really are...and jumped on the 'gravy train', encouraged by avaricious agents. The club have now shown their ambition in bringing in a good manager and investing in rebuilding the squad in a short time....not a bad job in v difficult circumstances. We are now on the brink of a satisfactory season, maybe 12th, but not relegation fodder...importantly though the loyal players, the manager, and the club need 'support' from us, just as most of us have supported Saints in the 'rough days' as well as the 'good days'...we don't need fair-weather only supporters!!
Yes myself and 50 year old friends are all fairweather because we are utterly sick of being denied a shot…for the record when I lived in the UK I went home and away rain or shine sunshine…I support Saints not an incompetent, greed, naive board, take your pick.
[quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones… ....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page. We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management.. The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future. The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage. The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog. Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point. We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp.. Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here… I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.[/p][/quote]Clearly suffering from long term / medium term memory loss....check the results, performances and status of Saints over the past 40 years....you will find that we have faced more 'challenges' than 'successes'...and that in the recent past we have risen from a Lge 1 in administration to the Premier league....last year we over-achieved and as a result a number of players and managers believed they were a lot better than they really are...and jumped on the 'gravy train', encouraged by avaricious agents. The club have now shown their ambition in bringing in a good manager and investing in rebuilding the squad in a short time....not a bad job in v difficult circumstances. We are now on the brink of a satisfactory season, maybe 12th, but not relegation fodder...importantly though the loyal players, the manager, and the club need 'support' from us, just as most of us have supported Saints in the 'rough days' as well as the 'good days'...we don't need fair-weather only supporters!![/p][/quote]Yes myself and 50 year old friends are all fairweather because we are utterly sick of being denied a shot…for the record when I lived in the UK I went home and away rain or shine sunshine…I support Saints not an incompetent, greed, naive board, take your pick. warrens 76
  • Score: 0

8:59am Sat 30 Aug 14

Mister E says...

For God's sake!
All that has happened is a young loanee has failed to settle! Rather than dither, he and the club are taking positive action. Well done to both parties!
Was he a vital member of the first team? NO!
It's not as if we spent a record transfer fee for him, we took a punt on a loanee, it failed - simples. Come on people, get a grip for Christ sake!
Yes, learn any lessons if indeed there were any clues. There is still time in this transfer window IF the club/RK even want to replace him!
For God's sake! All that has happened is a young loanee has failed to settle! Rather than dither, he and the club are taking positive action. Well done to both parties! Was he a vital member of the first team? NO! It's not as if we spent a record transfer fee for him, we took a punt on a loanee, it failed - simples. Come on people, get a grip for Christ sake! Yes, learn any lessons if indeed there were any clues. There is still time in this transfer window IF the club/RK even want to replace him! Mister E
  • Score: 11

9:06am Sat 30 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

jls217 wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones…
....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page.
We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management..
The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future.
The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage.
The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog.
Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point.
We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp..
Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here…
I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.
At last a Saints fan who realises what has, and is still happening at Saints.

Those in positions of power at Saints have made a complete c*ck-up of everything since the end of last season and couldn't organise a p*ss-up in a brewery. Many posters on here have said this time after time, only to be called neggies by fans that blindly follow Saints no matter what stupid things the board does.

It's time those fans woke up , the season has already started, the transfer window is about to slam shut and the team is in need of 3 highly skilled players, BUT DON'T PANIC THE CLUB HAS EVERYTHING UNDER CONTROL.

If some fans are daft enough to believe that then they need urgent help !
One in a cesspit (aka sammy 2 cesspits) allow me to introduce you to warren - you should get on very well together. When the thunderclouds have disappeared from Warren's world I would think he's really quite a happy chappy. 1cesspit/2cesspits - well you're just a skate scheissensacke as they might say in Muenchen. Right now you deserve each other - enjoy.

Warren once you've fully appreciated what your drivel (sorry your opinion - I must remind myself you are entitled to it no matter how much drivel it contains) is attracting to our site in the many faces of the above mentioned numpty you may appreciate more the company of those who wish and indeed choose to have a more balanced outlook on Saints than you seem, currently, to have selected as yours. You will be welcomed back with all the Olde Worlde Charme we on this forume can muster.
Have a great day being miserable.
This season is going to be great but not as great as the next one.
Yes myself and 50 year old friends are all fairweather because we are utterly sick of being denied a shot…for the record when I lived in the UK I went home and away rain or shine sunshine…I support Saints not an incompetent, greed, naive board, take your pick.

And JLS if you want o keep a civil tongue in your head be advised do not compare me to a wum …in fairness you would be an excellent cheerleader of mediocrity …the views I express are from a lot of pals who I speak to many of us were in the same crew in the 70's 80's travelled everywhere together and none are remotely happy…I am sure your views and comments would be well received face to face…

In your perfect world you say I am miserable you are right so congratulations you achieved one correct observation, I am miserable at the loss of what could have been and the bu11s4it being swallowed by gullible fools who could not run a whelk stall.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones… ....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page. We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management.. The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future. The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage. The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog. Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point. We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp.. Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here… I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.[/p][/quote]At last a Saints fan who realises what has, and is still happening at Saints. Those in positions of power at Saints have made a complete c*ck-up of everything since the end of last season and couldn't organise a p*ss-up in a brewery. Many posters on here have said this time after time, only to be called neggies by fans that blindly follow Saints no matter what stupid things the board does. It's time those fans woke up , the season has already started, the transfer window is about to slam shut and the team is in need of 3 highly skilled players, BUT DON'T PANIC THE CLUB HAS EVERYTHING UNDER CONTROL. If some fans are daft enough to believe that then they need urgent help ![/p][/quote]One in a cesspit (aka sammy 2 cesspits) allow me to introduce you to warren - you should get on very well together. When the thunderclouds have disappeared from Warren's world I would think he's really quite a happy chappy. 1cesspit/2cesspits - well you're just a skate scheissensacke as they might say in Muenchen. Right now you deserve each other - enjoy. Warren once you've fully appreciated what your drivel (sorry your opinion - I must remind myself you are entitled to it no matter how much drivel it contains) is attracting to our site in the many faces of the above mentioned numpty you may appreciate more the company of those who wish and indeed choose to have a more balanced outlook on Saints than you seem, currently, to have selected as yours. You will be welcomed back with all the Olde Worlde Charme we on this forume can muster. Have a great day being miserable. This season is going to be great but not as great as the next one.[/p][/quote]Yes myself and 50 year old friends are all fairweather because we are utterly sick of being denied a shot…for the record when I lived in the UK I went home and away rain or shine sunshine…I support Saints not an incompetent, greed, naive board, take your pick. And JLS if you want o keep a civil tongue in your head be advised do not compare me to a wum …in fairness you would be an excellent cheerleader of mediocrity …the views I express are from a lot of pals who I speak to many of us were in the same crew in the 70's 80's travelled everywhere together and none are remotely happy…I am sure your views and comments would be well received face to face… In your perfect world you say I am miserable you are right so congratulations you achieved one correct observation, I am miserable at the loss of what could have been and the bu11s4it being swallowed by gullible fools who could not run a whelk stall. warrens 76
  • Score: -1

9:08am Sat 30 Aug 14

jls217 says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.
It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season.
I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless.
Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again.
Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle.
Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really.
Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears.
Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.
I don't appreciate your condescending tone. I'll explain how this could have been foreseen, if you can explain the wisdom in last minute offloading of players when we have meant to be getting 2 new signings for nearly two weeks. While I agree that Taider may be no great loss. We have only two days left. Taider is a talented footballer, he was benched for a long time at Inter last season. This should have been a red flag for us to begin with. Even his performance in the WC was scrutinized. For me Taider isn't the issue. It's really about the timing of this departure, the knowledge that we need more signings and we have little time left to secure them.
You're fully entitled to feel however you choose about mine or anyone else opinion on here - doesn't affect my wages so I won't lose sleep one way or t'other.
If you wish to label it condescending - i'll go along with that at least you read it you can make the choice not in the future if it's going to cause you grief.

If at a club like Milan a 22 year old was a first teamer it would mean he was already coming very close to fulfilling his potential and he would not ave been avail to us for anything less than umpteen milions of quids, if at all. He had potential that's all and we wanted to look at that potential and he wanted the chance of first team involvement - a win/win situation but lo and behold the nasty unforeseen circumstance fairy jumps in and makes him homesick, depressed or whatever it is that got to him - now try and tell me that you or anyone else on this planet (or even the one some claim created it all) could have foreseen - I await a reply with great interest because I need next week's lottery nrs badly.
The timing could have been better - the day after he got here would have been ideal but something (and you and I don't know what that things is) brought it all to a head now and not two weeks ago (bit like having a dump really, never know when you might need to but when you do it has to be obeyed or there could be dire circumstances - just be happy we got there before the toilet roll ran out)
I can feel your desperation mate - I feel it too. Ideally (there's that bloody word again) we would have signed 8 new players who would all go on to be the best in their position, all born in England ( NZ in your case maybe) never suffer from doubts or injuries be willing to play for a council house, VW Beetle and a free fish and chip supper once a week.
We can only play cards with what we're dealt. This is where we are and no we have to hope the people having heart attacks in St. Mary's stay alive long enough to bring in the required firstly and the desired secondly
In the immortal words of every general who ever commanded a battle field - We go with what we have.
Didn't mean to annoy you really but if I did - well I'll probably beat myself up (I won't) I could pretend I'm crestfallen (you wouldn't believe me so no point trying) or I could just say - Bring on wet spam I think we are going to spank them ' cos this season is fantastic as none of us may live to see the next.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths. It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season. I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless. Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again. Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle. Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really. Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears. Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.[/p][/quote]I don't appreciate your condescending tone. I'll explain how this could have been foreseen, if you can explain the wisdom in last minute offloading of players when we have meant to be getting 2 new signings for nearly two weeks. While I agree that Taider may be no great loss. We have only two days left. Taider is a talented footballer, he was benched for a long time at Inter last season. This should have been a red flag for us to begin with. Even his performance in the WC was scrutinized. For me Taider isn't the issue. It's really about the timing of this departure, the knowledge that we need more signings and we have little time left to secure them.[/p][/quote]You're fully entitled to feel however you choose about mine or anyone else opinion on here - doesn't affect my wages so I won't lose sleep one way or t'other. If you wish to label it condescending - i'll go along with that at least you read it you can make the choice not in the future if it's going to cause you grief. If at a club like Milan a 22 year old was a first teamer it would mean he was already coming very close to fulfilling his potential and he would not ave been avail to us for anything less than umpteen milions of quids, if at all. He had potential that's all and we wanted to look at that potential and he wanted the chance of first team involvement - a win/win situation but lo and behold the nasty unforeseen circumstance fairy jumps in and makes him homesick, depressed or whatever it is that got to him - now try and tell me that you or anyone else on this planet (or even the one some claim created it all) could have foreseen - I await a reply with great interest because I need next week's lottery nrs badly. The timing could have been better - the day after he got here would have been ideal but something (and you and I don't know what that things is) brought it all to a head now and not two weeks ago (bit like having a dump really, never know when you might need to but when you do it has to be obeyed or there could be dire circumstances - just be happy we got there before the toilet roll ran out) I can feel your desperation mate - I feel it too. Ideally (there's that bloody word again) we would have signed 8 new players who would all go on to be the best in their position, all born in England ( NZ in your case maybe) never suffer from doubts or injuries be willing to play for a council house, VW Beetle and a free fish and chip supper once a week. We can only play cards with what we're dealt. This is where we are and no we have to hope the people having heart attacks in St. Mary's stay alive long enough to bring in the required firstly and the desired secondly In the immortal words of every general who ever commanded a battle field - We go with what we have. Didn't mean to annoy you really but if I did - well I'll probably beat myself up (I won't) I could pretend I'm crestfallen (you wouldn't believe me so no point trying) or I could just say - Bring on wet spam I think we are going to spank them ' cos this season is fantastic as none of us may live to see the next. jls217
  • Score: 2

9:09am Sat 30 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

one in the crowd wrote:
What a farce.

Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window.

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the club be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
I think you are a secret Southampton fan as there can be no other explanation why you would want to keep making comments about the club. You are a closet fan who is afraid to come to terms with his addiction to all things concerning Southampton Football Club. Why not come along to St Mary's, watch a game and get your fix you know you want to.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: What a farce. Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window. Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the club be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more.[/p][/quote]I think you are a secret Southampton fan as there can be no other explanation why you would want to keep making comments about the club. You are a closet fan who is afraid to come to terms with his addiction to all things concerning Southampton Football Club. Why not come along to St Mary's, watch a game and get your fix you know you want to. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 3

9:12am Sat 30 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Off to get ready for the game - Got a workmate who's a wetspam fan (poor deluded boy) and got a ticket and going with a bus load of 'em. I would guess I'm in for a rough ride win or lose today but fun I will have regardless.
3-1 to us. Scorers - who cares.
Off to get ready for the game - Got a workmate who's a wetspam fan (poor deluded boy) and got a ticket and going with a bus load of 'em. I would guess I'm in for a rough ride win or lose today but fun I will have regardless. 3-1 to us. Scorers - who cares. jls217
  • Score: 4

9:24am Sat 30 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

jls217 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.
It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season.
I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless.
Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again.
Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle.
Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really.
Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears.
Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.
I don't appreciate your condescending tone. I'll explain how this could have been foreseen, if you can explain the wisdom in last minute offloading of players when we have meant to be getting 2 new signings for nearly two weeks. While I agree that Taider may be no great loss. We have only two days left. Taider is a talented footballer, he was benched for a long time at Inter last season. This should have been a red flag for us to begin with. Even his performance in the WC was scrutinized. For me Taider isn't the issue. It's really about the timing of this departure, the knowledge that we need more signings and we have little time left to secure them.
You're fully entitled to feel however you choose about mine or anyone else opinion on here - doesn't affect my wages so I won't lose sleep one way or t'other.
If you wish to label it condescending - i'll go along with that at least you read it you can make the choice not in the future if it's going to cause you grief.

If at a club like Milan a 22 year old was a first teamer it would mean he was already coming very close to fulfilling his potential and he would not ave been avail to us for anything less than umpteen milions of quids, if at all. He had potential that's all and we wanted to look at that potential and he wanted the chance of first team involvement - a win/win situation but lo and behold the nasty unforeseen circumstance fairy jumps in and makes him homesick, depressed or whatever it is that got to him - now try and tell me that you or anyone else on this planet (or even the one some claim created it all) could have foreseen - I await a reply with great interest because I need next week's lottery nrs badly.
The timing could have been better - the day after he got here would have been ideal but something (and you and I don't know what that things is) brought it all to a head now and not two weeks ago (bit like having a dump really, never know when you might need to but when you do it has to be obeyed or there could be dire circumstances - just be happy we got there before the toilet roll ran out)
I can feel your desperation mate - I feel it too. Ideally (there's that bloody word again) we would have signed 8 new players who would all go on to be the best in their position, all born in England ( NZ in your case maybe) never suffer from doubts or injuries be willing to play for a council house, VW Beetle and a free fish and chip supper once a week.
We can only play cards with what we're dealt. This is where we are and no we have to hope the people having heart attacks in St. Mary's stay alive long enough to bring in the required firstly and the desired secondly
In the immortal words of every general who ever commanded a battle field - We go with what we have.
Didn't mean to annoy you really but if I did - well I'll probably beat myself up (I won't) I could pretend I'm crestfallen (you wouldn't believe me so no point trying) or I could just say - Bring on wet spam I think we are going to spank them ' cos this season is fantastic as none of us may live to see the next.
I actually had a good laugh reading your posts. But at the time I got PO'd when you stated I had **** flowing from my mouth. Maybe not directed at me but people of similar opinion to me. I reacted. I'm not changing my view on the finer points of this because at the end of the day I don't want to see players leave, I want to see more here to compliment the squad. Noone could have seen this coming but the risk was definitely there. Anyways nuff said about this guy for me. Hope you all enjoy the game and the result is favorable! Another reason I'm on edge.... It's chick flick night at home!!!
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths. It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season. I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless. Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again. Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle. Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really. Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears. Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.[/p][/quote]I don't appreciate your condescending tone. I'll explain how this could have been foreseen, if you can explain the wisdom in last minute offloading of players when we have meant to be getting 2 new signings for nearly two weeks. While I agree that Taider may be no great loss. We have only two days left. Taider is a talented footballer, he was benched for a long time at Inter last season. This should have been a red flag for us to begin with. Even his performance in the WC was scrutinized. For me Taider isn't the issue. It's really about the timing of this departure, the knowledge that we need more signings and we have little time left to secure them.[/p][/quote]You're fully entitled to feel however you choose about mine or anyone else opinion on here - doesn't affect my wages so I won't lose sleep one way or t'other. If you wish to label it condescending - i'll go along with that at least you read it you can make the choice not in the future if it's going to cause you grief. If at a club like Milan a 22 year old was a first teamer it would mean he was already coming very close to fulfilling his potential and he would not ave been avail to us for anything less than umpteen milions of quids, if at all. He had potential that's all and we wanted to look at that potential and he wanted the chance of first team involvement - a win/win situation but lo and behold the nasty unforeseen circumstance fairy jumps in and makes him homesick, depressed or whatever it is that got to him - now try and tell me that you or anyone else on this planet (or even the one some claim created it all) could have foreseen - I await a reply with great interest because I need next week's lottery nrs badly. The timing could have been better - the day after he got here would have been ideal but something (and you and I don't know what that things is) brought it all to a head now and not two weeks ago (bit like having a dump really, never know when you might need to but when you do it has to be obeyed or there could be dire circumstances - just be happy we got there before the toilet roll ran out) I can feel your desperation mate - I feel it too. Ideally (there's that bloody word again) we would have signed 8 new players who would all go on to be the best in their position, all born in England ( NZ in your case maybe) never suffer from doubts or injuries be willing to play for a council house, VW Beetle and a free fish and chip supper once a week. We can only play cards with what we're dealt. This is where we are and no we have to hope the people having heart attacks in St. Mary's stay alive long enough to bring in the required firstly and the desired secondly In the immortal words of every general who ever commanded a battle field - We go with what we have. Didn't mean to annoy you really but if I did - well I'll probably beat myself up (I won't) I could pretend I'm crestfallen (you wouldn't believe me so no point trying) or I could just say - Bring on wet spam I think we are going to spank them ' cos this season is fantastic as none of us may live to see the next.[/p][/quote]I actually had a good laugh reading your posts. But at the time I got PO'd when you stated I had **** flowing from my mouth. Maybe not directed at me but people of similar opinion to me. I reacted. I'm not changing my view on the finer points of this because at the end of the day I don't want to see players leave, I want to see more here to compliment the squad. Noone could have seen this coming but the risk was definitely there. Anyways nuff said about this guy for me. Hope you all enjoy the game and the result is favorable! Another reason I'm on edge.... It's chick flick night at home!!! KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 1

9:29am Sat 30 Aug 14

Wigwam8 says...

This is right up there with that idiot Souness brought in.
Things like this really make me wonder about the "professionals" who run our club. on the other hand I suppose it shows how desperate they were to get rid of Osvaldo.
This is right up there with that idiot Souness brought in. Things like this really make me wonder about the "professionals" who run our club. on the other hand I suppose it shows how desperate they were to get rid of Osvaldo. Wigwam8
  • Score: 0

9:31am Sat 30 Aug 14

Dave Brown says...

With the transfer window closing within a couple of days I cannot see Les Reed producing any miracles and signing any real quality players within this window.
He has failed in signing players who have chosen for whatever reason to sign for the competition and paid over the odds for the likes of Long.
I only hope that Ron can produce the results he will expect from this squad otherwise who knows what the future will hold with him as I feel he is a very ambitious individual.
Let's start with a win at West Ham.
With the transfer window closing within a couple of days I cannot see Les Reed producing any miracles and signing any real quality players within this window. He has failed in signing players who have chosen for whatever reason to sign for the competition and paid over the odds for the likes of Long. I only hope that Ron can produce the results he will expect from this squad otherwise who knows what the future will hold with him as I feel he is a very ambitious individual. Let's start with a win at West Ham. Dave Brown
  • Score: 2

9:32am Sat 30 Aug 14

Benali76 says...

Wembley76 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
A Les Reed choice?
Reed and the team will identify and attract players...the boss will make the final decision. This is a bit of a 'one off'....we weren't focussed on Tired-er, but we did want to offload Osvaldo.....probably Tired-guy was the only option...we tried him, he doesn't hit the standards the manager has set, so we have off-loaded him and his wages...pretty good business...which enables us to look for other options...the good news is that we did not buy him...so there is no real risk here....I still expect some activity in the next 72 hours, but if not, we still have a good looking squad and will keep Corkie and Ramires.....
Wow, I only had to read 20 posts before the first rational one. Not bad. We haven't spent out on this guy, it was a bonus as part of getting shot of Osvaldo and it didn't work out. No big deal. In fact it is good news because it suggests the training is hard - as it should be.
[quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: A Les Reed choice?[/p][/quote]Reed and the team will identify and attract players...the boss will make the final decision. This is a bit of a 'one off'....we weren't focussed on Tired-er, but we did want to offload Osvaldo.....probably Tired-guy was the only option...we tried him, he doesn't hit the standards the manager has set, so we have off-loaded him and his wages...pretty good business...which enables us to look for other options...the good news is that we did not buy him...so there is no real risk here....I still expect some activity in the next 72 hours, but if not, we still have a good looking squad and will keep Corkie and Ramires.....[/p][/quote]Wow, I only had to read 20 posts before the first rational one. Not bad. We haven't spent out on this guy, it was a bonus as part of getting shot of Osvaldo and it didn't work out. No big deal. In fact it is good news because it suggests the training is hard - as it should be. Benali76
  • Score: 6

9:32am Sat 30 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

deepheat wrote:
We didn't need him in the first place.

BBC Radio Solent understands that the midfielder has failed to adapt to the physical training demands under Ronald Koeman.

I had to look up Sassuolo FC. They are relegation fodder.


I hope this means a new contract for Jack Cork.
Yeah now Jack Cork is a hot topic. I think we should..............
.no on second thoughts forget it.
[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: We didn't need him in the first place. BBC Radio Solent understands that the midfielder has failed to adapt to the physical training demands under Ronald Koeman. I had to look up Sassuolo FC. They are relegation fodder. I hope this means a new contract for Jack Cork.[/p][/quote]Yeah now Jack Cork is a hot topic. I think we should.............. .no on second thoughts forget it. Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

9:33am Sat 30 Aug 14

Benali76 says...

Oh well, bye then. He was a shot to nothing. At least he's shipped out now.
Oh well, bye then. He was a shot to nothing. At least he's shipped out now. Benali76
  • Score: 4

9:56am Sat 30 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

Who in gods name is head of scouting and recruitment .....?
How much has this person cost us both in money and now time?

Surely any level headed fan on here can no longer defend this buffoon.

Hurry up and clear your desk Les, before it's too late.
Who in gods name is head of scouting and recruitment .....? How much has this person cost us both in money and now time? Surely any level headed fan on here can no longer defend this buffoon. Hurry up and clear your desk Les, before it's too late. costa gaz
  • Score: -1

10:01am Sat 30 Aug 14

one in the crowd says...

costa gaz wrote:
Who in gods name is head of scouting and recruitment .....?
How much has this person cost us both in money and now time?

Surely any level headed fan on here can no longer defend this buffoon.

Hurry up and clear your desk Les, before it's too late.
At last, somebody talk some sense ! ! !
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Who in gods name is head of scouting and recruitment .....? How much has this person cost us both in money and now time? Surely any level headed fan on here can no longer defend this buffoon. Hurry up and clear your desk Les, before it's too late.[/p][/quote]At last, somebody talk some sense ! ! ! one in the crowd
  • Score: -1

10:01am Sat 30 Aug 14

spratt says...

saints1998 wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
What a farce.

Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window.

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the club be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
I agree that we need 3 more players and are running out of time. the board are trying but need to hurry up. If additions are not made to the squad we will certainly struggle. I hope i am wrong but with 2 days left i am very concerned with the state of our club.
I agree with this post and cannot see why it has been given so many thumbs down. These two at the helm are indeed making the club a laughing stock. Reed told us a long time ago that top players were "banging on the doors" to join Saints (or words to that effect). The club has since taken millions from player sales and had already pledged millions to bring in players of quality. What has actually taken place makes all that a joke. Our much vaunted Academy is ruining the club. Apart from bringing in millions for players to enhance the structure of clubs above us. I have a headache coming on.
[quote][p][bold]saints1998[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: What a farce. Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window. Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the club be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more.[/p][/quote]I agree that we need 3 more players and are running out of time. the board are trying but need to hurry up. If additions are not made to the squad we will certainly struggle. I hope i am wrong but with 2 days left i am very concerned with the state of our club.[/p][/quote]I agree with this post and cannot see why it has been given so many thumbs down. These two at the helm are indeed making the club a laughing stock. Reed told us a long time ago that top players were "banging on the doors" to join Saints (or words to that effect). The club has since taken millions from player sales and had already pledged millions to bring in players of quality. What has actually taken place makes all that a joke. Our much vaunted Academy is ruining the club. Apart from bringing in millions for players to enhance the structure of clubs above us. I have a headache coming on. spratt
  • Score: -7

10:14am Sat 30 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones…
....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page.
We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management..
The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future.
The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage.
The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog.
Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point.
We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp..
Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here…
I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.
Just about sums it all up for me, outside of SFC, most football people are saying exactly this.
Of course we'll get dozens of thumbs down by the people who refuse to see what is happening to our club, people that really believe that we'll finish higher than Spurs and Liverpool, people who believe that all of the incoming players were better than we sold.
This slow motion car crash is still ongoing and while Read is steering, it will continue.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones… ....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page. We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management.. The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future. The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage. The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog. Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point. We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp.. Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here… I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.[/p][/quote]Just about sums it all up for me, outside of SFC, most football people are saying exactly this. Of course we'll get dozens of thumbs down by the people who refuse to see what is happening to our club, people that really believe that we'll finish higher than Spurs and Liverpool, people who believe that all of the incoming players were better than we sold. This slow motion car crash is still ongoing and while Read is steering, it will continue. costa gaz
  • Score: 3

10:30am Sat 30 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Good decisive move by the club - like it. But it's a sign of how easy it is to get landed with a bad player - had we bought him we'd be in a jam. I'm sure we just wanted to make use of the Osvaldo situation, but didn't work, which means we can loan someone else in with an option to buy. I see this as a second chance, which is great, because Taider was one of the few players we'd brought in who didn't seem to be of the right quality.
Good decisive move by the club - like it. But it's a sign of how easy it is to get landed with a bad player - had we bought him we'd be in a jam. I'm sure we just wanted to make use of the Osvaldo situation, but didn't work, which means we can loan someone else in with an option to buy. I see this as a second chance, which is great, because Taider was one of the few players we'd brought in who didn't seem to be of the right quality. SaintJD
  • Score: 6

10:31am Sat 30 Aug 14

owen thesaints... says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones…
....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page.
We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management..
The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future.
The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage.
The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog.
Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point.
We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp..
Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here…
I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.
knob
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones… ....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page. We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management.. The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future. The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage. The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog. Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point. We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp.. Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here… I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.[/p][/quote]knob owen thesaints...
  • Score: 0

10:32am Sat 30 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Oh, and please no more signings from the Italian league - hit rate is terrible.
Oh, and please no more signings from the Italian league - hit rate is terrible. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

10:33am Sat 30 Aug 14

owen thesaints... says...

one in the crowd wrote:
What a farce.

Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window.

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the club be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
dick
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: What a farce. Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window. Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the club be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more.[/p][/quote]dick owen thesaints...
  • Score: 2

10:49am Sat 30 Aug 14

NC Fan4Life says...

jls217 wrote:
I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.
It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season.
I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless.
Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again.
Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle.
Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really.
Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears.
Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.
Good post. I agree with you on this point jls, I made a similar point earlier.
With so many new players arriving there are bound to be some that won't make it for one reason or another. Good job we only got him on loan and not wasted money on him, so no drama, still time to get a better in.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths. It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season. I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless. Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again. Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle. Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really. Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears. Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.[/p][/quote]Good post. I agree with you on this point jls, I made a similar point earlier. With so many new players arriving there are bound to be some that won't make it for one reason or another. Good job we only got him on loan and not wasted money on him, so no drama, still time to get a better in. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 5

10:49am Sat 30 Aug 14

NC Fan4Life says...

jls217 wrote:
I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.
It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season.
I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless.
Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again.
Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle.
Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really.
Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears.
Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.
Good post. I agree with you on this point jls, I made a similar point earlier.
With so many new players arriving there are bound to be some that won't make it for one reason or another. Good job we only got him on loan and not wasted money on him, so no drama, still time to get a better in.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths. It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season. I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless. Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again. Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle. Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really. Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears. Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.[/p][/quote]Good post. I agree with you on this point jls, I made a similar point earlier. With so many new players arriving there are bound to be some that won't make it for one reason or another. Good job we only got him on loan and not wasted money on him, so no drama, still time to get a better in. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 2

10:56am Sat 30 Aug 14

NC Fan4Life says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.
It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season.
I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless.
Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again.
Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle.
Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really.
Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears.
Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.
I don't appreciate your condescending tone. I'll explain how this could have been foreseen, if you can explain the wisdom in last minute offloading of players when we have meant to be getting 2 new signings for nearly two weeks. While I agree that Taider may be no great loss. We have only two days left. Taider is a talented footballer, he was benched for a long time at Inter last season. This should have been a red flag for us to begin with. Even his performance in the WC was scrutinized. For me Taider isn't the issue. It's really about the timing of this departure, the knowledge that we need more signings and we have little time left to secure them.
You are missing the point kiwi, RonKo has found that he is not settling and upsetting the other players so best to get rid, especially as luckily we did not buy him.
Far better to sign Jack Cork on a longer contract as he is proven and is settled.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths. It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season. I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless. Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again. Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle. Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really. Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears. Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.[/p][/quote]I don't appreciate your condescending tone. I'll explain how this could have been foreseen, if you can explain the wisdom in last minute offloading of players when we have meant to be getting 2 new signings for nearly two weeks. While I agree that Taider may be no great loss. We have only two days left. Taider is a talented footballer, he was benched for a long time at Inter last season. This should have been a red flag for us to begin with. Even his performance in the WC was scrutinized. For me Taider isn't the issue. It's really about the timing of this departure, the knowledge that we need more signings and we have little time left to secure them.[/p][/quote]You are missing the point kiwi, RonKo has found that he is not settling and upsetting the other players so best to get rid, especially as luckily we did not buy him. Far better to sign Jack Cork on a longer contract as he is proven and is settled. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 3

10:56am Sat 30 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Benali76 wrote:
Wembley76 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
A Les Reed choice?
Reed and the team will identify and attract players...the boss will make the final decision. This is a bit of a 'one off'....we weren't focussed on Tired-er, but we did want to offload Osvaldo.....probably Tired-guy was the only option...we tried him, he doesn't hit the standards the manager has set, so we have off-loaded him and his wages...pretty good business...which enables us to look for other options...the good news is that we did not buy him...so there is no real risk here....I still expect some activity in the next 72 hours, but if not, we still have a good looking squad and will keep Corkie and Ramires.....
Wow, I only had to read 20 posts before the first rational one. Not bad. We haven't spent out on this guy, it was a bonus as part of getting shot of Osvaldo and it didn't work out. No big deal. In fact it is good news because it suggests the training is hard - as it should be.
Well said only 20 posts must be a record.

God I despair logging on sometimes, supporters well if I owned the club I am not sure I would give some on here a membership.

I sometimes wonder if owner, manager, players, potential players read any of this, god knows what they would think, perhaps some of the carp that gets shovelled forward about the board the owner would make targets think twice, manager wonder what he had got himself into and owner consider selling.

I can't get into firing down the ridiculous points that are put forward, those that delve back in the past to substantiate a point and then when you quote the past you need to move forward.

A lot of good people log on with a diversity of opinions, all clearly love the club and I know I could well be accused of firmly being in the rose tinted brigade, however, some I have never seen post a well done, a it's going in the right direction, pleasantly surprised or the future looks bright.

FFS if you really are supporters support the saints, the players, the manager, the board and the owner or before to long you might just get your wishes and the wrongly accused team may just say fu?k it and ship out.
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: A Les Reed choice?[/p][/quote]Reed and the team will identify and attract players...the boss will make the final decision. This is a bit of a 'one off'....we weren't focussed on Tired-er, but we did want to offload Osvaldo.....probably Tired-guy was the only option...we tried him, he doesn't hit the standards the manager has set, so we have off-loaded him and his wages...pretty good business...which enables us to look for other options...the good news is that we did not buy him...so there is no real risk here....I still expect some activity in the next 72 hours, but if not, we still have a good looking squad and will keep Corkie and Ramires.....[/p][/quote]Wow, I only had to read 20 posts before the first rational one. Not bad. We haven't spent out on this guy, it was a bonus as part of getting shot of Osvaldo and it didn't work out. No big deal. In fact it is good news because it suggests the training is hard - as it should be.[/p][/quote]Well said only 20 posts must be a record. God I despair logging on sometimes, supporters well if I owned the club I am not sure I would give some on here a membership. I sometimes wonder if owner, manager, players, potential players read any of this, god knows what they would think, perhaps some of the carp that gets shovelled forward about the board the owner would make targets think twice, manager wonder what he had got himself into and owner consider selling. I can't get into firing down the ridiculous points that are put forward, those that delve back in the past to substantiate a point and then when you quote the past you need to move forward. A lot of good people log on with a diversity of opinions, all clearly love the club and I know I could well be accused of firmly being in the rose tinted brigade, however, some I have never seen post a well done, a it's going in the right direction, pleasantly surprised or the future looks bright. FFS if you really are supporters support the saints, the players, the manager, the board and the owner or before to long you might just get your wishes and the wrongly accused team may just say fu?k it and ship out. fascia123
  • Score: 2

11:20am Sat 30 Aug 14

sking19326 says...

D1saint wrote:
Well I also know of another player saints scouts have brought this year from Africa , apparently he passed his medical then when he joined the first team for training it was found that he could not even kick a ball straight. A lot of red faces and wasted money.
I also know someone who knows f**k all about football.....wasted money for a medical and first team training............
...D1ckhead
[quote][p][bold]D1saint[/bold] wrote: Well I also know of another player saints scouts have brought this year from Africa , apparently he passed his medical then when he joined the first team for training it was found that he could not even kick a ball straight. A lot of red faces and wasted money.[/p][/quote]I also know someone who knows f**k all about football.....wasted money for a medical and first team training............ ...D1ckhead sking19326
  • Score: 0

11:29am Sat 30 Aug 14

sking19326 says...

D1saint wrote:
Well I also know of another player saints scouts have brought this year from Africa , apparently he passed his medical then when he joined the first team for training it was found that he could not even kick a ball straight. A lot of red faces and wasted money.
Well I also know someone who knows f**ck all about football.......what wasted money?????? a flight and some accommodation for a few days....He wasn't up to it so he didn't get anywhere. It happens. In Koeman I trust.......move on D1ckhead.
[quote][p][bold]D1saint[/bold] wrote: Well I also know of another player saints scouts have brought this year from Africa , apparently he passed his medical then when he joined the first team for training it was found that he could not even kick a ball straight. A lot of red faces and wasted money.[/p][/quote]Well I also know someone who knows f**ck all about football.......what wasted money?????? a flight and some accommodation for a few days....He wasn't up to it so he didn't get anywhere. It happens. In Koeman I trust.......move on D1ckhead. sking19326
  • Score: 0

11:34am Sat 30 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

one in the crowd wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Who in gods name is head of scouting and recruitment .....?
How much has this person cost us both in money and now time?

Surely any level headed fan on here can no longer defend this buffoon.

Hurry up and clear your desk Les, before it's too late.
At last, somebody talk some sense ! ! !
Moan, moan, moan, somebody change the record.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Who in gods name is head of scouting and recruitment .....? How much has this person cost us both in money and now time? Surely any level headed fan on here can no longer defend this buffoon. Hurry up and clear your desk Les, before it's too late.[/p][/quote]At last, somebody talk some sense ! ! ![/p][/quote]Moan, moan, moan, somebody change the record. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 3

11:36am Sat 30 Aug 14

sking19326 says...

one in the crowd wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Wembley76 wrote:
The fact is the boy doesn't want to train to the standards of RoKo...good on the boss to identify the problem early and ship him and his enormous wages out!! What is wring with some of these lads, paid a fortune, molly coddled, hero-worshipped by fans who could only 'dream' of such a lifestyle and they are not prepared to 'work at it'....we now learn that Shaw was continually having fitness problems under MoPo and Roy,,,great bit of business getting £27m for an overrated player who has yet to prove his ability and commitment, We have good committed players in the form of Cork, Davis, Fonte, JWP who are prepared to work their socks of for the team. Ciao, au-revoir, good riddance Tired-er!!
While I concur that we have plenty in the midfield already, I don't find it reassuring that players bought in to make up the numbers for over half of our best players can be ousted so quickly without much game time on the pitch to prove whether or not they are up to the grade. We were told he would be a great addition to the squad, and his 2 appearances were hailed by the manager and fans alike. The timing of his departure couldn't be worse. Right at the end of the transfer window, before we have got any other players in. Time will tell how this will pan out, but at this stage I do have concerns about this season. Our youth players are being expected to plug gaps where we should have proven experience to back them up. Reed stated to judge him in September when the results would speak for themselves. Going by that statement there had better be a win on Saturday.
Likely score for Saturday 30/8/2014

West Ham United 2 -------- Southampton 1
Likely score for Saturday

Portsmouth 0 - Newport 5
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: The fact is the boy doesn't want to train to the standards of RoKo...good on the boss to identify the problem early and ship him and his enormous wages out!! What is wring with some of these lads, paid a fortune, molly coddled, hero-worshipped by fans who could only 'dream' of such a lifestyle and they are not prepared to 'work at it'....we now learn that Shaw was continually having fitness problems under MoPo and Roy,,,great bit of business getting £27m for an overrated player who has yet to prove his ability and commitment, We have good committed players in the form of Cork, Davis, Fonte, JWP who are prepared to work their socks of for the team. Ciao, au-revoir, good riddance Tired-er!![/p][/quote]While I concur that we have plenty in the midfield already, I don't find it reassuring that players bought in to make up the numbers for over half of our best players can be ousted so quickly without much game time on the pitch to prove whether or not they are up to the grade. We were told he would be a great addition to the squad, and his 2 appearances were hailed by the manager and fans alike. The timing of his departure couldn't be worse. Right at the end of the transfer window, before we have got any other players in. Time will tell how this will pan out, but at this stage I do have concerns about this season. Our youth players are being expected to plug gaps where we should have proven experience to back them up. Reed stated to judge him in September when the results would speak for themselves. Going by that statement there had better be a win on Saturday.[/p][/quote]Likely score for Saturday 30/8/2014 West Ham United 2 -------- Southampton 1[/p][/quote]Likely score for Saturday Portsmouth 0 - Newport 5 sking19326
  • Score: 2

11:39am Sat 30 Aug 14

echo1948 says...

With the way all this current mess has been handled, I can see why Charlton were only too glad to get shot of Les Reed!
With the way all this current mess has been handled, I can see why Charlton were only too glad to get shot of Les Reed! echo1948
  • Score: -3

11:41am Sat 30 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

jls217 wrote:
I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.
It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season.
I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless.
Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again.
Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle.
Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really.
Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears.
Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.
And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you?

You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions.
Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently.
You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation.
To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths. It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season. I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless. Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again. Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle. Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really. Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears. Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.[/p][/quote]And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you? You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions. Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently. You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation. To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down. costa gaz
  • Score: 2

12:20pm Sat 30 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

costa gaz wrote:
jls217 wrote:
I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.
It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season.
I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless.
Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again.
Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle.
Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really.
Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears.
Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.
And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you?

You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions.
Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently.
You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation.
To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.
Well said Gaz!

It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm!
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths. It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season. I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless. Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again. Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle. Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really. Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears. Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.[/p][/quote]And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you? You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions. Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently. You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation. To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.[/p][/quote]Well said Gaz! It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm! redandy10
  • Score: 1

12:39pm Sat 30 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

costa gaz wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones…
....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page.
We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management..
The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future.
The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage.
The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog.
Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point.
We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp..
Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here…
I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.
Just about sums it all up for me, outside of SFC, most football people are saying exactly this.
Of course we'll get dozens of thumbs down by the people who refuse to see what is happening to our club, people that really believe that we'll finish higher than Spurs and Liverpool, people who believe that all of the incoming players were better than we sold.
This slow motion car crash is still ongoing and while Read is steering, it will continue.
New day, same garbage.

I don't think I've seen any positive posters talking about competing in the top four or six this season - that's what you guys seem to keep harping on about.

I too was and am worried about the outgoings, but the players we've brought in mainly look very capable. Tadic is arguably an able replacement for Adam, Bertrand is a good Luke replacement, but a better defender, Forster is better than Boruc.

The biggest loss is the manager, but what's the point whinging about that? We knew he'd be a loss, but he walked out and probably would have considered it even if Cortese had stayed.

However, because the players are new, clearly we aren't going to be stable enough to do as well as last year. That doesn't mean the team is worse - they just need time.

The only possible threat to our form is not Les Reed or the board - it's idiotic, spoilt fans creating a poisonous atmosphere.

So stop looking around for a scapegoat and start looking in the mirror.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones… ....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page. We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management.. The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future. The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage. The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog. Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point. We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp.. Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here… I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.[/p][/quote]Just about sums it all up for me, outside of SFC, most football people are saying exactly this. Of course we'll get dozens of thumbs down by the people who refuse to see what is happening to our club, people that really believe that we'll finish higher than Spurs and Liverpool, people who believe that all of the incoming players were better than we sold. This slow motion car crash is still ongoing and while Read is steering, it will continue.[/p][/quote]New day, same garbage. I don't think I've seen any positive posters talking about competing in the top four or six this season - that's what you guys seem to keep harping on about. I too was and am worried about the outgoings, but the players we've brought in mainly look very capable. Tadic is arguably an able replacement for Adam, Bertrand is a good Luke replacement, but a better defender, Forster is better than Boruc. The biggest loss is the manager, but what's the point whinging about that? We knew he'd be a loss, but he walked out and probably would have considered it even if Cortese had stayed. However, because the players are new, clearly we aren't going to be stable enough to do as well as last year. That doesn't mean the team is worse - they just need time. The only possible threat to our form is not Les Reed or the board - it's idiotic, spoilt fans creating a poisonous atmosphere. So stop looking around for a scapegoat and start looking in the mirror. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

12:46pm Sat 30 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
jls217 wrote:
I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.
It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season.
I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless.
Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again.
Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle.
Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really.
Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears.
Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.
And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you?

You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions.
Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently.
You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation.
To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.
Well said Gaz!

It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm!
Good work you two, to some unelected site hoggers unless we follow an everything is rosy outlook we do not know what we are talking about..

I have owned 3 serious companies and I always considered the sales team as the most important component in the company important as without them there is no work for anyone else in the firm to do…

I therefore kept an incredibly close eye on salesment their performance and any rumblings….

had I allowed half my sales team to walk away compensation or not and their manager and had no plan B immediately available in business terms i would be unfit to be a director…

..yet our board has been at best extremely naive at worst totally negligent what our know all happy clappers refuse to acknowledge is that what has happened to our club has NEVER happened in the history of the premiership or div 1 for that matter unless it was a forced upon a club by banks and third party debt holders….

JLS etc our board did this to us nobody else, there was NO need, Lambert implied as much and has no reason to lie…it is an open secret that players do not like Reed yet Ralph sings his praises….

Whatever happens today I will never support the boards historic actions, a complete and utter cöck up and worse possibly on purpose..
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths. It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season. I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless. Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again. Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle. Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really. Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears. Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.[/p][/quote]And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you? You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions. Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently. You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation. To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.[/p][/quote]Well said Gaz! It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm![/p][/quote]Good work you two, to some unelected site hoggers unless we follow an everything is rosy outlook we do not know what we are talking about.. I have owned 3 serious companies and I always considered the sales team as the most important component in the company important as without them there is no work for anyone else in the firm to do… I therefore kept an incredibly close eye on salesment their performance and any rumblings…. had I allowed half my sales team to walk away compensation or not and their manager and had no plan B immediately available in business terms i would be unfit to be a director… ..yet our board has been at best extremely naive at worst totally negligent what our know all happy clappers refuse to acknowledge is that what has happened to our club has NEVER happened in the history of the premiership or div 1 for that matter unless it was a forced upon a club by banks and third party debt holders…. JLS etc our board did this to us nobody else, there was NO need, Lambert implied as much and has no reason to lie…it is an open secret that players do not like Reed yet Ralph sings his praises…. Whatever happens today I will never support the boards historic actions, a complete and utter cöck up and worse possibly on purpose.. warrens 76
  • Score: 1

12:48pm Sat 30 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
jls217 wrote:
I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.
It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season.
I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless.
Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again.
Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle.
Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really.
Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears.
Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.
And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you?

You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions.
Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently.
You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation.
To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.
Well said Gaz!

It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm!
You guys really need to stop 'thumbs upping' each other's quotes.. Bar the Pompey fans, there's about four of you guys making a whole lot of white noise and not much sense. You carry on living in the past - we'll carry on looking forward. And, yes, if we make questionable decisions I'll question them, as I have in thee past, but in case you've missed it, we've not started the season with the disaster you predicted, we've not been asset stripped, our new signings have looked decent.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths. It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season. I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless. Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again. Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle. Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really. Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears. Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.[/p][/quote]And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you? You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions. Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently. You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation. To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.[/p][/quote]Well said Gaz! It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm![/p][/quote]You guys really need to stop 'thumbs upping' each other's quotes.. Bar the Pompey fans, there's about four of you guys making a whole lot of white noise and not much sense. You carry on living in the past - we'll carry on looking forward. And, yes, if we make questionable decisions I'll question them, as I have in thee past, but in case you've missed it, we've not started the season with the disaster you predicted, we've not been asset stripped, our new signings have looked decent. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

12:48pm Sat 30 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

SaintJD wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones…
....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page.
We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management..
The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future.
The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage.
The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog.
Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point.
We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp..
Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here…
I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.
Just about sums it all up for me, outside of SFC, most football people are saying exactly this.
Of course we'll get dozens of thumbs down by the people who refuse to see what is happening to our club, people that really believe that we'll finish higher than Spurs and Liverpool, people who believe that all of the incoming players were better than we sold.
This slow motion car crash is still ongoing and while Read is steering, it will continue.
New day, same garbage.

I don't think I've seen any positive posters talking about competing in the top four or six this season - that's what you guys seem to keep harping on about.

I too was and am worried about the outgoings, but the players we've brought in mainly look very capable. Tadic is arguably an able replacement for Adam, Bertrand is a good Luke replacement, but a better defender, Forster is better than Boruc.

The biggest loss is the manager, but what's the point whinging about that? We knew he'd be a loss, but he walked out and probably would have considered it even if Cortese had stayed.

However, because the players are new, clearly we aren't going to be stable enough to do as well as last year. That doesn't mean the team is worse - they just need time.

The only possible threat to our form is not Les Reed or the board - it's idiotic, spoilt fans creating a poisonous atmosphere.

So stop looking around for a scapegoat and start looking in the mirror.
Whose looking for a scapegoat…the board are right in front of us.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones… ....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page. We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management.. The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future. The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage. The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog. Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point. We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp.. Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here… I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.[/p][/quote]Just about sums it all up for me, outside of SFC, most football people are saying exactly this. Of course we'll get dozens of thumbs down by the people who refuse to see what is happening to our club, people that really believe that we'll finish higher than Spurs and Liverpool, people who believe that all of the incoming players were better than we sold. This slow motion car crash is still ongoing and while Read is steering, it will continue.[/p][/quote]New day, same garbage. I don't think I've seen any positive posters talking about competing in the top four or six this season - that's what you guys seem to keep harping on about. I too was and am worried about the outgoings, but the players we've brought in mainly look very capable. Tadic is arguably an able replacement for Adam, Bertrand is a good Luke replacement, but a better defender, Forster is better than Boruc. The biggest loss is the manager, but what's the point whinging about that? We knew he'd be a loss, but he walked out and probably would have considered it even if Cortese had stayed. However, because the players are new, clearly we aren't going to be stable enough to do as well as last year. That doesn't mean the team is worse - they just need time. The only possible threat to our form is not Les Reed or the board - it's idiotic, spoilt fans creating a poisonous atmosphere. So stop looking around for a scapegoat and start looking in the mirror.[/p][/quote]Whose looking for a scapegoat…the board are right in front of us. warrens 76
  • Score: -1

12:52pm Sat 30 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

warrens 76 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
jls217 wrote:
I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.
It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season.
I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless.
Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again.
Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle.
Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really.
Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears.
Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.
And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you?

You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions.
Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently.
You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation.
To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.
Well said Gaz!

It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm!
Good work you two, to some unelected site hoggers unless we follow an everything is rosy outlook we do not know what we are talking about..

I have owned 3 serious companies and I always considered the sales team as the most important component in the company important as without them there is no work for anyone else in the firm to do…

I therefore kept an incredibly close eye on salesment their performance and any rumblings….

had I allowed half my sales team to walk away compensation or not and their manager and had no plan B immediately available in business terms i would be unfit to be a director…

..yet our board has been at best extremely naive at worst totally negligent what our know all happy clappers refuse to acknowledge is that what has happened to our club has NEVER happened in the history of the premiership or div 1 for that matter unless it was a forced upon a club by banks and third party debt holders….

JLS etc our board did this to us nobody else, there was NO need, Lambert implied as much and has no reason to lie…it is an open secret that players do not like Reed yet Ralph sings his praises….

Whatever happens today I will never support the boards historic actions, a complete and utter cöck up and worse possibly on purpose..
So let me get this right - you and your mates had a season ticket during the Lowe years, descent to league 2, seasons on the way up, and now you don't want one because things are so bad?

So, if we blank last season's success from memory I take it you'd be delighted with how we are doing. Suggest you go to a hypnotist, block out any delusions of grandeur that Cortese put in your head for six months and start supporting the team again.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths. It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season. I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless. Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again. Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle. Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really. Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears. Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.[/p][/quote]And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you? You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions. Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently. You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation. To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.[/p][/quote]Well said Gaz! It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm![/p][/quote]Good work you two, to some unelected site hoggers unless we follow an everything is rosy outlook we do not know what we are talking about.. I have owned 3 serious companies and I always considered the sales team as the most important component in the company important as without them there is no work for anyone else in the firm to do… I therefore kept an incredibly close eye on salesment their performance and any rumblings…. had I allowed half my sales team to walk away compensation or not and their manager and had no plan B immediately available in business terms i would be unfit to be a director… ..yet our board has been at best extremely naive at worst totally negligent what our know all happy clappers refuse to acknowledge is that what has happened to our club has NEVER happened in the history of the premiership or div 1 for that matter unless it was a forced upon a club by banks and third party debt holders…. JLS etc our board did this to us nobody else, there was NO need, Lambert implied as much and has no reason to lie…it is an open secret that players do not like Reed yet Ralph sings his praises…. Whatever happens today I will never support the boards historic actions, a complete and utter cöck up and worse possibly on purpose..[/p][/quote]So let me get this right - you and your mates had a season ticket during the Lowe years, descent to league 2, seasons on the way up, and now you don't want one because things are so bad? So, if we blank last season's success from memory I take it you'd be delighted with how we are doing. Suggest you go to a hypnotist, block out any delusions of grandeur that Cortese put in your head for six months and start supporting the team again. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

12:56pm Sat 30 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
jls217 wrote:
I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.
It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season.
I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless.
Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again.
Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle.
Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really.
Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears.
Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.
And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you?

You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions.
Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently.
You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation.
To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.
Well said Gaz!

It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm!
You guys really need to stop 'thumbs upping' each other's quotes.. Bar the Pompey fans, there's about four of you guys making a whole lot of white noise and not much sense. You carry on living in the past - we'll carry on looking forward. And, yes, if we make questionable decisions I'll question them, as I have in thee past, but in case you've missed it, we've not started the season with the disaster you predicted, we've not been asset stripped, our new signings have looked decent.
Perhaps it would be easier for all if they joined forces under one user name I would suggest IN EVERY BUNCH OF ROSES
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths. It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season. I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless. Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again. Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle. Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really. Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears. Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.[/p][/quote]And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you? You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions. Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently. You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation. To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.[/p][/quote]Well said Gaz! It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm![/p][/quote]You guys really need to stop 'thumbs upping' each other's quotes.. Bar the Pompey fans, there's about four of you guys making a whole lot of white noise and not much sense. You carry on living in the past - we'll carry on looking forward. And, yes, if we make questionable decisions I'll question them, as I have in thee past, but in case you've missed it, we've not started the season with the disaster you predicted, we've not been asset stripped, our new signings have looked decent.[/p][/quote]Perhaps it would be easier for all if they joined forces under one user name I would suggest IN EVERY BUNCH OF ROSES fascia123
  • Score: 2

12:58pm Sat 30 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

warrens 76 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones…
....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page.
We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management..
The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future.
The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage.
The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog.
Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point.
We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp..
Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here…
I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.
Just about sums it all up for me, outside of SFC, most football people are saying exactly this.
Of course we'll get dozens of thumbs down by the people who refuse to see what is happening to our club, people that really believe that we'll finish higher than Spurs and Liverpool, people who believe that all of the incoming players were better than we sold.
This slow motion car crash is still ongoing and while Read is steering, it will continue.
New day, same garbage.

I don't think I've seen any positive posters talking about competing in the top four or six this season - that's what you guys seem to keep harping on about.

I too was and am worried about the outgoings, but the players we've brought in mainly look very capable. Tadic is arguably an able replacement for Adam, Bertrand is a good Luke replacement, but a better defender, Forster is better than Boruc.

The biggest loss is the manager, but what's the point whinging about that? We knew he'd be a loss, but he walked out and probably would have considered it even if Cortese had stayed.

However, because the players are new, clearly we aren't going to be stable enough to do as well as last year. That doesn't mean the team is worse - they just need time.

The only possible threat to our form is not Les Reed or the board - it's idiotic, spoilt fans creating a poisonous atmosphere.

So stop looking around for a scapegoat and start looking in the mirror.
Whose looking for a scapegoat…the board are right in front of us.
Sorry, just remembered - weren't you the one suggesting we increase our capacity to 42,000 about a week ago and saying other fans just 'don't have vision'? I'd better tell the club to put on hold because you and your mates don't fancy it anymore.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones… ....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page. We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management.. The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future. The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage. The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog. Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point. We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp.. Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here… I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.[/p][/quote]Just about sums it all up for me, outside of SFC, most football people are saying exactly this. Of course we'll get dozens of thumbs down by the people who refuse to see what is happening to our club, people that really believe that we'll finish higher than Spurs and Liverpool, people who believe that all of the incoming players were better than we sold. This slow motion car crash is still ongoing and while Read is steering, it will continue.[/p][/quote]New day, same garbage. I don't think I've seen any positive posters talking about competing in the top four or six this season - that's what you guys seem to keep harping on about. I too was and am worried about the outgoings, but the players we've brought in mainly look very capable. Tadic is arguably an able replacement for Adam, Bertrand is a good Luke replacement, but a better defender, Forster is better than Boruc. The biggest loss is the manager, but what's the point whinging about that? We knew he'd be a loss, but he walked out and probably would have considered it even if Cortese had stayed. However, because the players are new, clearly we aren't going to be stable enough to do as well as last year. That doesn't mean the team is worse - they just need time. The only possible threat to our form is not Les Reed or the board - it's idiotic, spoilt fans creating a poisonous atmosphere. So stop looking around for a scapegoat and start looking in the mirror.[/p][/quote]Whose looking for a scapegoat…the board are right in front of us.[/p][/quote]Sorry, just remembered - weren't you the one suggesting we increase our capacity to 42,000 about a week ago and saying other fans just 'don't have vision'? I'd better tell the club to put on hold because you and your mates don't fancy it anymore. SaintJD
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1:20pm Sat 30 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

SaintJD wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
jls217 wrote:
I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.
It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season.
I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless.
Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again.
Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle.
Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really.
Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears.
Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.
And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you?

You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions.
Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently.
You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation.
To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.
Well said Gaz!

It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm!
Good work you two, to some unelected site hoggers unless we follow an everything is rosy outlook we do not know what we are talking about..

I have owned 3 serious companies and I always considered the sales team as the most important component in the company important as without them there is no work for anyone else in the firm to do…

I therefore kept an incredibly close eye on salesment their performance and any rumblings….

had I allowed half my sales team to walk away compensation or not and their manager and had no plan B immediately available in business terms i would be unfit to be a director…

..yet our board has been at best extremely naive at worst totally negligent what our know all happy clappers refuse to acknowledge is that what has happened to our club has NEVER happened in the history of the premiership or div 1 for that matter unless it was a forced upon a club by banks and third party debt holders….

JLS etc our board did this to us nobody else, there was NO need, Lambert implied as much and has no reason to lie…it is an open secret that players do not like Reed yet Ralph sings his praises….

Whatever happens today I will never support the boards historic actions, a complete and utter cöck up and worse possibly on purpose..
So let me get this right - you and your mates had a season ticket during the Lowe years, descent to league 2, seasons on the way up, and now you don't want one because things are so bad?

So, if we blank last season's success from memory I take it you'd be delighted with how we are doing. Suggest you go to a hypnotist, block out any delusions of grandeur that Cortese put in your head for six months and start supporting the team again.
How the bl00dy hell does one blank out last seasons success? It's what we should have been building on, not just accepting what our board shaft us with.
I think you'll find we do support our team, this is why we questions of certain board members.
If you honestly believe that Read is totally competent, thats ok by me, but lots think he is a buffoon.
Only time will tell, but, in football, we may not have time.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths. It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season. I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless. Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again. Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle. Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really. Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears. Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.[/p][/quote]And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you? You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions. Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently. You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation. To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.[/p][/quote]Well said Gaz! It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm![/p][/quote]Good work you two, to some unelected site hoggers unless we follow an everything is rosy outlook we do not know what we are talking about.. I have owned 3 serious companies and I always considered the sales team as the most important component in the company important as without them there is no work for anyone else in the firm to do… I therefore kept an incredibly close eye on salesment their performance and any rumblings…. had I allowed half my sales team to walk away compensation or not and their manager and had no plan B immediately available in business terms i would be unfit to be a director… ..yet our board has been at best extremely naive at worst totally negligent what our know all happy clappers refuse to acknowledge is that what has happened to our club has NEVER happened in the history of the premiership or div 1 for that matter unless it was a forced upon a club by banks and third party debt holders…. JLS etc our board did this to us nobody else, there was NO need, Lambert implied as much and has no reason to lie…it is an open secret that players do not like Reed yet Ralph sings his praises…. Whatever happens today I will never support the boards historic actions, a complete and utter cöck up and worse possibly on purpose..[/p][/quote]So let me get this right - you and your mates had a season ticket during the Lowe years, descent to league 2, seasons on the way up, and now you don't want one because things are so bad? So, if we blank last season's success from memory I take it you'd be delighted with how we are doing. Suggest you go to a hypnotist, block out any delusions of grandeur that Cortese put in your head for six months and start supporting the team again.[/p][/quote]How the bl00dy hell does one blank out last seasons success? It's what we should have been building on, not just accepting what our board shaft us with. I think you'll find we do support our team, this is why we questions of certain board members. If you honestly believe that Read is totally competent, thats ok by me, but lots think he is a buffoon. Only time will tell, but, in football, we may not have time. costa gaz
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1:25pm Sat 30 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

costa gaz wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
jls217 wrote:
I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.
It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season.
I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless.
Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again.
Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle.
Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really.
Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears.
Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.
And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you?

You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions.
Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently.
You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation.
To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.
Well said Gaz!

It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm!
Good work you two, to some unelected site hoggers unless we follow an everything is rosy outlook we do not know what we are talking about..

I have owned 3 serious companies and I always considered the sales team as the most important component in the company important as without them there is no work for anyone else in the firm to do…

I therefore kept an incredibly close eye on salesment their performance and any rumblings….

had I allowed half my sales team to walk away compensation or not and their manager and had no plan B immediately available in business terms i would be unfit to be a director…

..yet our board has been at best extremely naive at worst totally negligent what our know all happy clappers refuse to acknowledge is that what has happened to our club has NEVER happened in the history of the premiership or div 1 for that matter unless it was a forced upon a club by banks and third party debt holders….

JLS etc our board did this to us nobody else, there was NO need, Lambert implied as much and has no reason to lie…it is an open secret that players do not like Reed yet Ralph sings his praises….

Whatever happens today I will never support the boards historic actions, a complete and utter cöck up and worse possibly on purpose..
So let me get this right - you and your mates had a season ticket during the Lowe years, descent to league 2, seasons on the way up, and now you don't want one because things are so bad?

So, if we blank last season's success from memory I take it you'd be delighted with how we are doing. Suggest you go to a hypnotist, block out any delusions of grandeur that Cortese put in your head for six months and start supporting the team again.
How the bl00dy hell does one blank out last seasons success? It's what we should have been building on, not just accepting what our board shaft us with.
I think you'll find we do support our team, this is why we questions of certain board members.
If you honestly believe that Read is totally competent, thats ok by me, but lots think he is a buffoon.
Only time will tell, but, in football, we may not have time.
He spells his surname REED

Perhaps that's it your not really talking sh!t you just have him muddled up with another Les.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths. It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season. I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless. Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again. Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle. Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really. Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears. Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.[/p][/quote]And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you? You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions. Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently. You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation. To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.[/p][/quote]Well said Gaz! It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm![/p][/quote]Good work you two, to some unelected site hoggers unless we follow an everything is rosy outlook we do not know what we are talking about.. I have owned 3 serious companies and I always considered the sales team as the most important component in the company important as without them there is no work for anyone else in the firm to do… I therefore kept an incredibly close eye on salesment their performance and any rumblings…. had I allowed half my sales team to walk away compensation or not and their manager and had no plan B immediately available in business terms i would be unfit to be a director… ..yet our board has been at best extremely naive at worst totally negligent what our know all happy clappers refuse to acknowledge is that what has happened to our club has NEVER happened in the history of the premiership or div 1 for that matter unless it was a forced upon a club by banks and third party debt holders…. JLS etc our board did this to us nobody else, there was NO need, Lambert implied as much and has no reason to lie…it is an open secret that players do not like Reed yet Ralph sings his praises…. Whatever happens today I will never support the boards historic actions, a complete and utter cöck up and worse possibly on purpose..[/p][/quote]So let me get this right - you and your mates had a season ticket during the Lowe years, descent to league 2, seasons on the way up, and now you don't want one because things are so bad? So, if we blank last season's success from memory I take it you'd be delighted with how we are doing. Suggest you go to a hypnotist, block out any delusions of grandeur that Cortese put in your head for six months and start supporting the team again.[/p][/quote]How the bl00dy hell does one blank out last seasons success? It's what we should have been building on, not just accepting what our board shaft us with. I think you'll find we do support our team, this is why we questions of certain board members. If you honestly believe that Read is totally competent, thats ok by me, but lots think he is a buffoon. Only time will tell, but, in football, we may not have time.[/p][/quote]He spells his surname REED Perhaps that's it your not really talking sh!t you just have him muddled up with another Les. fascia123
  • Score: 0

1:29pm Sat 30 Aug 14

echo1948 says...

warrens 76 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones…
....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page.
We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management..
The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future.
The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage.
The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog.
Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point.
We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp..
Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here…
I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.
Just about sums it all up for me, outside of SFC, most football people are saying exactly this.
Of course we'll get dozens of thumbs down by the people who refuse to see what is happening to our club, people that really believe that we'll finish higher than Spurs and Liverpool, people who believe that all of the incoming players were better than we sold.
This slow motion car crash is still ongoing and while Read is steering, it will continue.
New day, same garbage.

I don't think I've seen any positive posters talking about competing in the top four or six this season - that's what you guys seem to keep harping on about.

I too was and am worried about the outgoings, but the players we've brought in mainly look very capable. Tadic is arguably an able replacement for Adam, Bertrand is a good Luke replacement, but a better defender, Forster is better than Boruc.

The biggest loss is the manager, but what's the point whinging about that? We knew he'd be a loss, but he walked out and probably would have considered it even if Cortese had stayed.

However, because the players are new, clearly we aren't going to be stable enough to do as well as last year. That doesn't mean the team is worse - they just need time.

The only possible threat to our form is not Les Reed or the board - it's idiotic, spoilt fans creating a poisonous atmosphere.

So stop looking around for a scapegoat and start looking in the mirror.
Whose looking for a scapegoat…the board are right in front of us.
There is no way that SFC will finish anywhere near where we were last season. With the players we have bought and those that have not shipped out, we do not have a depth in the squad to sustain that sort of challenge. Probably a bottom 6 finish is all we can hope for. I hope I am proved wrong, but I hate what has been done to my team by sheer incompetence and lack of integrity by the board and owner. But I am still willing to give RK the benefit of the doubt to see what he can do with what he has to work with.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones… ....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page. We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management.. The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future. The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage. The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog. Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point. We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp.. Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here… I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.[/p][/quote]Just about sums it all up for me, outside of SFC, most football people are saying exactly this. Of course we'll get dozens of thumbs down by the people who refuse to see what is happening to our club, people that really believe that we'll finish higher than Spurs and Liverpool, people who believe that all of the incoming players were better than we sold. This slow motion car crash is still ongoing and while Read is steering, it will continue.[/p][/quote]New day, same garbage. I don't think I've seen any positive posters talking about competing in the top four or six this season - that's what you guys seem to keep harping on about. I too was and am worried about the outgoings, but the players we've brought in mainly look very capable. Tadic is arguably an able replacement for Adam, Bertrand is a good Luke replacement, but a better defender, Forster is better than Boruc. The biggest loss is the manager, but what's the point whinging about that? We knew he'd be a loss, but he walked out and probably would have considered it even if Cortese had stayed. However, because the players are new, clearly we aren't going to be stable enough to do as well as last year. That doesn't mean the team is worse - they just need time. The only possible threat to our form is not Les Reed or the board - it's idiotic, spoilt fans creating a poisonous atmosphere. So stop looking around for a scapegoat and start looking in the mirror.[/p][/quote]Whose looking for a scapegoat…the board are right in front of us.[/p][/quote]There is no way that SFC will finish anywhere near where we were last season. With the players we have bought and those that have not shipped out, we do not have a depth in the squad to sustain that sort of challenge. Probably a bottom 6 finish is all we can hope for. I hope I am proved wrong, but I hate what has been done to my team by sheer incompetence and lack of integrity by the board and owner. But I am still willing to give RK the benefit of the doubt to see what he can do with what he has to work with. echo1948
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1:33pm Sat 30 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

fascia123 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
jls217 wrote:
I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.
It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season.
I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless.
Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again.
Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle.
Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really.
Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears.
Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.
And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you?

You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions.
Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently.
You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation.
To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.
Well said Gaz!

It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm!
Good work you two, to some unelected site hoggers unless we follow an everything is rosy outlook we do not know what we are talking about..

I have owned 3 serious companies and I always considered the sales team as the most important component in the company important as without them there is no work for anyone else in the firm to do…

I therefore kept an incredibly close eye on salesment their performance and any rumblings….

had I allowed half my sales team to walk away compensation or not and their manager and had no plan B immediately available in business terms i would be unfit to be a director…

..yet our board has been at best extremely naive at worst totally negligent what our know all happy clappers refuse to acknowledge is that what has happened to our club has NEVER happened in the history of the premiership or div 1 for that matter unless it was a forced upon a club by banks and third party debt holders….

JLS etc our board did this to us nobody else, there was NO need, Lambert implied as much and has no reason to lie…it is an open secret that players do not like Reed yet Ralph sings his praises….

Whatever happens today I will never support the boards historic actions, a complete and utter cöck up and worse possibly on purpose..
So let me get this right - you and your mates had a season ticket during the Lowe years, descent to league 2, seasons on the way up, and now you don't want one because things are so bad?

So, if we blank last season's success from memory I take it you'd be delighted with how we are doing. Suggest you go to a hypnotist, block out any delusions of grandeur that Cortese put in your head for six months and start supporting the team again.
How the bl00dy hell does one blank out last seasons success? It's what we should have been building on, not just accepting what our board shaft us with.
I think you'll find we do support our team, this is why we questions of certain board members.
If you honestly believe that Read is totally competent, thats ok by me, but lots think he is a buffoon.
Only time will tell, but, in football, we may not have time.
He spells his surname REED

Perhaps that's it your not really talking sh!t you just have him muddled up with another Les.
Well done for pointing that out... it has certainly made me think and has added to the debate.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths. It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season. I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless. Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again. Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle. Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really. Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears. Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.[/p][/quote]And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you? You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions. Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently. You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation. To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.[/p][/quote]Well said Gaz! It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm![/p][/quote]Good work you two, to some unelected site hoggers unless we follow an everything is rosy outlook we do not know what we are talking about.. I have owned 3 serious companies and I always considered the sales team as the most important component in the company important as without them there is no work for anyone else in the firm to do… I therefore kept an incredibly close eye on salesment their performance and any rumblings…. had I allowed half my sales team to walk away compensation or not and their manager and had no plan B immediately available in business terms i would be unfit to be a director… ..yet our board has been at best extremely naive at worst totally negligent what our know all happy clappers refuse to acknowledge is that what has happened to our club has NEVER happened in the history of the premiership or div 1 for that matter unless it was a forced upon a club by banks and third party debt holders…. JLS etc our board did this to us nobody else, there was NO need, Lambert implied as much and has no reason to lie…it is an open secret that players do not like Reed yet Ralph sings his praises…. Whatever happens today I will never support the boards historic actions, a complete and utter cöck up and worse possibly on purpose..[/p][/quote]So let me get this right - you and your mates had a season ticket during the Lowe years, descent to league 2, seasons on the way up, and now you don't want one because things are so bad? So, if we blank last season's success from memory I take it you'd be delighted with how we are doing. Suggest you go to a hypnotist, block out any delusions of grandeur that Cortese put in your head for six months and start supporting the team again.[/p][/quote]How the bl00dy hell does one blank out last seasons success? It's what we should have been building on, not just accepting what our board shaft us with. I think you'll find we do support our team, this is why we questions of certain board members. If you honestly believe that Read is totally competent, thats ok by me, but lots think he is a buffoon. Only time will tell, but, in football, we may not have time.[/p][/quote]He spells his surname REED Perhaps that's it your not really talking sh!t you just have him muddled up with another Les.[/p][/quote]Well done for pointing that out... it has certainly made me think and has added to the debate. costa gaz
  • Score: 0

1:37pm Sat 30 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

That's the only sensible thing you have said, although it has actually improved the debate.
That's the only sensible thing you have said, although it has actually improved the debate. fascia123
  • Score: -1

1:46pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Mister E says...

There seems to be a lot of hysteria on this thread and the jumping to conclusions.
An alternative view is to look at it as proof that the loan system works!
Just imagine the the reaction had we paid a (small) fortune for him!
I have no problem reading and hearing an alternative or opposite view to mine. Calmly explained/reasoned, ripping mine to shreds I can be persuaded. However, all to often it becomes an un winnable slanging match around two extremes, when in reality the truth is somewhere in between!
There seems to be a lot of hysteria on this thread and the jumping to conclusions. An alternative view is to look at it as proof that the loan system works! Just imagine the the reaction had we paid a (small) fortune for him! I have no problem reading and hearing an alternative or opposite view to mine. Calmly explained/reasoned, ripping mine to shreds I can be persuaded. However, all to often it becomes an un winnable slanging match around two extremes, when in reality the truth is somewhere in between! Mister E
  • Score: 2

1:47pm Sat 30 Aug 14

St_Ron says...

Benali76 wrote:
Oh well, bye then. He was a shot to nothing. At least he's shipped out now.
Exactly much better than Vegrard Forren who cost us the difference of £4M minus whatever peanuts we got back for him, fans didn't give Cortese as much stick over that as much as they are to Les Reed for this much cheaper error. Some you win some you lose, the board aren't going to get them right all the time, come on folks give them a chance.
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: Oh well, bye then. He was a shot to nothing. At least he's shipped out now.[/p][/quote]Exactly much better than Vegrard Forren who cost us the difference of £4M minus whatever peanuts we got back for him, fans didn't give Cortese as much stick over that as much as they are to Les Reed for this much cheaper error. Some you win some you lose, the board aren't going to get them right all the time, come on folks give them a chance. St_Ron
  • Score: 0

1:49pm Sat 30 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

St_Ron wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
Oh well, bye then. He was a shot to nothing. At least he's shipped out now.
Exactly much better than Vegrard Forren who cost us the difference of £4M minus whatever peanuts we got back for him, fans didn't give Cortese as much stick over that as much as they are to Les Reed for this much cheaper error. Some you win some you lose, the board aren't going to get them right all the time, come on folks give them a chance.
Spot on but you appeals for rationality will be wasted
[quote][p][bold]St_Ron[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: Oh well, bye then. He was a shot to nothing. At least he's shipped out now.[/p][/quote]Exactly much better than Vegrard Forren who cost us the difference of £4M minus whatever peanuts we got back for him, fans didn't give Cortese as much stick over that as much as they are to Les Reed for this much cheaper error. Some you win some you lose, the board aren't going to get them right all the time, come on folks give them a chance.[/p][/quote]Spot on but you appeals for rationality will be wasted fascia123
  • Score: 2

1:53pm Sat 30 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

fascia123 wrote:
That's the only sensible thing you have said, although it has actually improved the debate.
oh dear...... more abuse, it don't help your argument. You act like a child at times.. GROW UP.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: That's the only sensible thing you have said, although it has actually improved the debate.[/p][/quote]oh dear...... more abuse, it don't help your argument. You act like a child at times.. GROW UP. costa gaz
  • Score: 1

2:02pm Sat 30 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

costa gaz wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
That's the only sensible thing you have said, although it has actually improved the debate.
oh dear...... more abuse, it don't help your argument. You act like a child at times.. GROW UP.
I used to think you were schizo but based on how many of you there are I think you may be bipolar

I don't have an argument I have a view, you have hit it right on the head, you and your clan come on here (or are you a clan of one) and straight away debate turns into argument, I am becoming convinced you don't really have a viewpoint you just come on to stir things up.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: That's the only sensible thing you have said, although it has actually improved the debate.[/p][/quote]oh dear...... more abuse, it don't help your argument. You act like a child at times.. GROW UP.[/p][/quote]I used to think you were schizo but based on how many of you there are I think you may be bipolar I don't have an argument I have a view, you have hit it right on the head, you and your clan come on here (or are you a clan of one) and straight away debate turns into argument, I am becoming convinced you don't really have a viewpoint you just come on to stir things up. fascia123
  • Score: -1

2:02pm Sat 30 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

St_Ron wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
Oh well, bye then. He was a shot to nothing. At least he's shipped out now.
Exactly much better than Vegrard Forren who cost us the difference of £4M minus whatever peanuts we got back for him, fans didn't give Cortese as much stick over that as much as they are to Les Reed for this much cheaper error. Some you win some you lose, the board aren't going to get them right all the time, come on folks give them a chance.
Les REED was made head of football development in 2010 and his duties were head of player recruitment and scouting amongst others
How much influence REED had with this one we'll never know... but at the time it was his department. Doubt if Adkins had any say in it what-so-ever.
Whether he had much say in things working under Cortese is debatable.
[quote][p][bold]St_Ron[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: Oh well, bye then. He was a shot to nothing. At least he's shipped out now.[/p][/quote]Exactly much better than Vegrard Forren who cost us the difference of £4M minus whatever peanuts we got back for him, fans didn't give Cortese as much stick over that as much as they are to Les Reed for this much cheaper error. Some you win some you lose, the board aren't going to get them right all the time, come on folks give them a chance.[/p][/quote]Les REED was made head of football development in 2010 and his duties were head of player recruitment and scouting amongst others How much influence REED had with this one we'll never know... but at the time it was his department. Doubt if Adkins had any say in it what-so-ever. Whether he had much say in things working under Cortese is debatable. costa gaz
  • Score: 1

2:08pm Sat 30 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

fascia123 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
That's the only sensible thing you have said, although it has actually improved the debate.
oh dear...... more abuse, it don't help your argument. You act like a child at times.. GROW UP.
I used to think you were schizo but based on how many of you there are I think you may be bipolar

I don't have an argument I have a view, you have hit it right on the head, you and your clan come on here (or are you a clan of one) and straight away debate turns into argument, I am becoming convinced you don't really have a viewpoint you just come on to stir things up.
Had enough now...please do one
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: That's the only sensible thing you have said, although it has actually improved the debate.[/p][/quote]oh dear...... more abuse, it don't help your argument. You act like a child at times.. GROW UP.[/p][/quote]I used to think you were schizo but based on how many of you there are I think you may be bipolar I don't have an argument I have a view, you have hit it right on the head, you and your clan come on here (or are you a clan of one) and straight away debate turns into argument, I am becoming convinced you don't really have a viewpoint you just come on to stir things up.[/p][/quote]Had enough now...please do one costa gaz
  • Score: 0

2:10pm Sat 30 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

costa gaz wrote:
St_Ron wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
Oh well, bye then. He was a shot to nothing. At least he's shipped out now.
Exactly much better than Vegrard Forren who cost us the difference of £4M minus whatever peanuts we got back for him, fans didn't give Cortese as much stick over that as much as they are to Les Reed for this much cheaper error. Some you win some you lose, the board aren't going to get them right all the time, come on folks give them a chance.
Les REED was made head of football development in 2010 and his duties were head of player recruitment and scouting amongst others
How much influence REED had with this one we'll never know... but at the time it was his department. Doubt if Adkins had any say in it what-so-ever.
Whether he had much say in things working under Cortese is debatable.
St Ron don't waste your time if you say black he will say white, perhaps reverse psychology like you sometimes have use with your children may work?
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St_Ron[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: Oh well, bye then. He was a shot to nothing. At least he's shipped out now.[/p][/quote]Exactly much better than Vegrard Forren who cost us the difference of £4M minus whatever peanuts we got back for him, fans didn't give Cortese as much stick over that as much as they are to Les Reed for this much cheaper error. Some you win some you lose, the board aren't going to get them right all the time, come on folks give them a chance.[/p][/quote]Les REED was made head of football development in 2010 and his duties were head of player recruitment and scouting amongst others How much influence REED had with this one we'll never know... but at the time it was his department. Doubt if Adkins had any say in it what-so-ever. Whether he had much say in things working under Cortese is debatable.[/p][/quote]St Ron don't waste your time if you say black he will say white, perhaps reverse psychology like you sometimes have use with your children may work? fascia123
  • Score: -1

2:12pm Sat 30 Aug 14

D1saint says...

sking19326 wrote:
D1saint wrote:
Well I also know of another player saints scouts have brought this year from Africa , apparently he passed his medical then when he joined the first team for training it was found that he could not even kick a ball straight. A lot of red faces and wasted money.
Well I also know someone who knows f**ck all about football.......what wasted money?????? a flight and some accommodation for a few days....He wasn't up to it so he didn't get anywhere. It happens. In Koeman I trust.......move on D1ckhead.
Firstly Sking Skate please don't be offensive there is no need . I have TWO family members working for us it was more than just a flight and hotel bill we payed and signed him. The reason I bring this up is we have poor scouting at the moment . Why don't angry idiots like you stop guessing and abusing other fello Fans COYR
[quote][p][bold]sking19326[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D1saint[/bold] wrote: Well I also know of another player saints scouts have brought this year from Africa , apparently he passed his medical then when he joined the first team for training it was found that he could not even kick a ball straight. A lot of red faces and wasted money.[/p][/quote]Well I also know someone who knows f**ck all about football.......what wasted money?????? a flight and some accommodation for a few days....He wasn't up to it so he didn't get anywhere. It happens. In Koeman I trust.......move on D1ckhead.[/p][/quote]Firstly Sking Skate please don't be offensive there is no need . I have TWO family members working for us it was more than just a flight and hotel bill we payed and signed him. The reason I bring this up is we have poor scouting at the moment . Why don't angry idiots like you stop guessing and abusing other fello Fans COYR D1saint
  • Score: 0

2:12pm Sat 30 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

costa gaz wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
That's the only sensible thing you have said, although it has actually improved the debate.
oh dear...... more abuse, it don't help your argument. You act like a child at times.. GROW UP.
I used to think you were schizo but based on how many of you there are I think you may be bipolar

I don't have an argument I have a view, you have hit it right on the head, you and your clan come on here (or are you a clan of one) and straight away debate turns into argument, I am becoming convinced you don't really have a viewpoint you just come on to stir things up.
Had enough now...please do one
Sh!t when people get under your skin ain't it?
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: That's the only sensible thing you have said, although it has actually improved the debate.[/p][/quote]oh dear...... more abuse, it don't help your argument. You act like a child at times.. GROW UP.[/p][/quote]I used to think you were schizo but based on how many of you there are I think you may be bipolar I don't have an argument I have a view, you have hit it right on the head, you and your clan come on here (or are you a clan of one) and straight away debate turns into argument, I am becoming convinced you don't really have a viewpoint you just come on to stir things up.[/p][/quote]Had enough now...please do one[/p][/quote]Sh!t when people get under your skin ain't it? fascia123
  • Score: 1

2:25pm Sat 30 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

Two hat !!!!
Two hat !!!! costa gaz
  • Score: 1

2:28pm Sat 30 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

fascia123 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
That's the only sensible thing you have said, although it has actually improved the debate.
oh dear...... more abuse, it don't help your argument. You act like a child at times.. GROW UP.
I used to think you were schizo but based on how many of you there are I think you may be bipolar

I don't have an argument I have a view, you have hit it right on the head, you and your clan come on here (or are you a clan of one) and straight away debate turns into argument, I am becoming convinced you don't really have a viewpoint you just come on to stir things up.
Had enough now...please do one
Sh!t when people get under your skin ain't it?
Sure is
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: That's the only sensible thing you have said, although it has actually improved the debate.[/p][/quote]oh dear...... more abuse, it don't help your argument. You act like a child at times.. GROW UP.[/p][/quote]I used to think you were schizo but based on how many of you there are I think you may be bipolar I don't have an argument I have a view, you have hit it right on the head, you and your clan come on here (or are you a clan of one) and straight away debate turns into argument, I am becoming convinced you don't really have a viewpoint you just come on to stir things up.[/p][/quote]Had enough now...please do one[/p][/quote]Sh!t when people get under your skin ain't it?[/p][/quote]Sure is J7junctionseven
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2:28pm Sat 30 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

fascia123 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
That's the only sensible thing you have said, although it has actually improved the debate.
oh dear...... more abuse, it don't help your argument. You act like a child at times.. GROW UP.
I used to think you were schizo but based on how many of you there are I think you may be bipolar

I don't have an argument I have a view, you have hit it right on the head, you and your clan come on here (or are you a clan of one) and straight away debate turns into argument, I am becoming convinced you don't really have a viewpoint you just come on to stir things up.
Had enough now...please do one
Sh!t when people get under your skin ain't it?
It does seem to be your sole purpose... arzol
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: That's the only sensible thing you have said, although it has actually improved the debate.[/p][/quote]oh dear...... more abuse, it don't help your argument. You act like a child at times.. GROW UP.[/p][/quote]I used to think you were schizo but based on how many of you there are I think you may be bipolar I don't have an argument I have a view, you have hit it right on the head, you and your clan come on here (or are you a clan of one) and straight away debate turns into argument, I am becoming convinced you don't really have a viewpoint you just come on to stir things up.[/p][/quote]Had enough now...please do one[/p][/quote]Sh!t when people get under your skin ain't it?[/p][/quote]It does seem to be your sole purpose... arzol costa gaz
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2:32pm Sat 30 Aug 14

nomorerumours says...

redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
jls217 wrote:
I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.
It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season.
I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless.
Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again.
Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle.
Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really.
Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears.
Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.
And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you?

You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions.
Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently.
You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation.
To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.
Well said Gaz!

It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm!
100% disagree with you and I assume that you include me in your remarks. JLS consistently places some very sensible and well considered posts on here. Both he and I try to restore some sanity and balance, especially when there have been some completely unjustified and/or unfair comments . We are both very long-term Saints supporters (we do not know each other as far as I know) and share some quite similar views. We are certainly not looking through "rose- tinted glasses" but there is far too much ill considered and irrational pessimism in many posts. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but one will go through life far happier trying to take all the positives rather than moan, complain and always look for scape goats when, usually, there isn't one. Patience is the greatest virtue and that is also rarely shown by many of you guys.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths. It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season. I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless. Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again. Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle. Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really. Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears. Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.[/p][/quote]And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you? You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions. Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently. You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation. To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.[/p][/quote]Well said Gaz! It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm![/p][/quote]100% disagree with you and I assume that you include me in your remarks. JLS consistently places some very sensible and well considered posts on here. Both he and I try to restore some sanity and balance, especially when there have been some completely unjustified and/or unfair comments . We are both very long-term Saints supporters (we do not know each other as far as I know) and share some quite similar views. We are certainly not looking through "rose- tinted glasses" but there is far too much ill considered and irrational pessimism in many posts. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but one will go through life far happier trying to take all the positives rather than moan, complain and always look for scape goats when, usually, there isn't one. Patience is the greatest virtue and that is also rarely shown by many of you guys. nomorerumours
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2:35pm Sat 30 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

costa gaz wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
That's the only sensible thing you have said, although it has actually improved the debate.
oh dear...... more abuse, it don't help your argument. You act like a child at times.. GROW UP.
I used to think you were schizo but based on how many of you there are I think you may be bipolar

I don't have an argument I have a view, you have hit it right on the head, you and your clan come on here (or are you a clan of one) and straight away debate turns into argument, I am becoming convinced you don't really have a viewpoint you just come on to stir things up.
Had enough now...please do one
Sh!t when people get under your skin ain't it?
It does seem to be your sole purpose... arzol
Conversely I was being ironic it's you and you alter egos that do exactly that.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: That's the only sensible thing you have said, although it has actually improved the debate.[/p][/quote]oh dear...... more abuse, it don't help your argument. You act like a child at times.. GROW UP.[/p][/quote]I used to think you were schizo but based on how many of you there are I think you may be bipolar I don't have an argument I have a view, you have hit it right on the head, you and your clan come on here (or are you a clan of one) and straight away debate turns into argument, I am becoming convinced you don't really have a viewpoint you just come on to stir things up.[/p][/quote]Had enough now...please do one[/p][/quote]Sh!t when people get under your skin ain't it?[/p][/quote]It does seem to be your sole purpose... arzol[/p][/quote]Conversely I was being ironic it's you and you alter egos that do exactly that. fascia123
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2:35pm Sat 30 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

nomorerumours wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
jls217 wrote:
I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.
It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season.
I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless.
Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again.
Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle.
Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really.
Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears.
Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.
And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you?

You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions.
Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently.
You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation.
To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.
Well said Gaz!

It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm!
100% disagree with you and I assume that you include me in your remarks. JLS consistently places some very sensible and well considered posts on here. Both he and I try to restore some sanity and balance, especially when there have been some completely unjustified and/or unfair comments . We are both very long-term Saints supporters (we do not know each other as far as I know) and share some quite similar views. We are certainly not looking through "rose- tinted glasses" but there is far too much ill considered and irrational pessimism in many posts. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but one will go through life far happier trying to take all the positives rather than moan, complain and always look for scape goats when, usually, there isn't one. Patience is the greatest virtue and that is also rarely shown by many of you guys.
To be fair i have been patient since 1976 …what do you suggest another 100 years,, 200 give us a clue.
[quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths. It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season. I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless. Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again. Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle. Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really. Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears. Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.[/p][/quote]And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you? You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions. Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently. You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation. To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.[/p][/quote]Well said Gaz! It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm![/p][/quote]100% disagree with you and I assume that you include me in your remarks. JLS consistently places some very sensible and well considered posts on here. Both he and I try to restore some sanity and balance, especially when there have been some completely unjustified and/or unfair comments . We are both very long-term Saints supporters (we do not know each other as far as I know) and share some quite similar views. We are certainly not looking through "rose- tinted glasses" but there is far too much ill considered and irrational pessimism in many posts. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but one will go through life far happier trying to take all the positives rather than moan, complain and always look for scape goats when, usually, there isn't one. Patience is the greatest virtue and that is also rarely shown by many of you guys.[/p][/quote]To be fair i have been patient since 1976 …what do you suggest another 100 years,, 200 give us a clue. warrens 76
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2:37pm Sat 30 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
That's the only sensible thing you have said, although it has actually improved the debate.
oh dear...... more abuse, it don't help your argument. You act like a child at times.. GROW UP.
I used to think you were schizo but based on how many of you there are I think you may be bipolar

I don't have an argument I have a view, you have hit it right on the head, you and your clan come on here (or are you a clan of one) and straight away debate turns into argument, I am becoming convinced you don't really have a viewpoint you just come on to stir things up.
Had enough now...please do one
Sh!t when people get under your skin ain't it?
Sure is
Are we having a bet before kick off?
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: That's the only sensible thing you have said, although it has actually improved the debate.[/p][/quote]oh dear...... more abuse, it don't help your argument. You act like a child at times.. GROW UP.[/p][/quote]I used to think you were schizo but based on how many of you there are I think you may be bipolar I don't have an argument I have a view, you have hit it right on the head, you and your clan come on here (or are you a clan of one) and straight away debate turns into argument, I am becoming convinced you don't really have a viewpoint you just come on to stir things up.[/p][/quote]Had enough now...please do one[/p][/quote]Sh!t when people get under your skin ain't it?[/p][/quote]Sure is[/p][/quote]Are we having a bet before kick off? fascia123
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2:40pm Sat 30 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

nomorerumours wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
jls217 wrote:
I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.
It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season.
I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless.
Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again.
Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle.
Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really.
Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears.
Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.
And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you?

You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions.
Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently.
You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation.
To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.
Well said Gaz!

It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm!
100% disagree with you and I assume that you include me in your remarks. JLS consistently places some very sensible and well considered posts on here. Both he and I try to restore some sanity and balance, especially when there have been some completely unjustified and/or unfair comments . We are both very long-term Saints supporters (we do not know each other as far as I know) and share some quite similar views. We are certainly not looking through "rose- tinted glasses" but there is far too much ill considered and irrational pessimism in many posts. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but one will go through life far happier trying to take all the positives rather than moan, complain and always look for scape goats when, usually, there isn't one. Patience is the greatest virtue and that is also rarely shown by many of you guys.
:-)
[quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths. It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season. I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless. Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again. Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle. Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really. Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears. Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.[/p][/quote]And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you? You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions. Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently. You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation. To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.[/p][/quote]Well said Gaz! It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm![/p][/quote]100% disagree with you and I assume that you include me in your remarks. JLS consistently places some very sensible and well considered posts on here. Both he and I try to restore some sanity and balance, especially when there have been some completely unjustified and/or unfair comments . We are both very long-term Saints supporters (we do not know each other as far as I know) and share some quite similar views. We are certainly not looking through "rose- tinted glasses" but there is far too much ill considered and irrational pessimism in many posts. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but one will go through life far happier trying to take all the positives rather than moan, complain and always look for scape goats when, usually, there isn't one. Patience is the greatest virtue and that is also rarely shown by many of you guys.[/p][/quote]:-) fascia123
  • Score: 1

2:40pm Sat 30 Aug 14

nomorerumours says...

SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
jls217 wrote:
I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.
It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season.
I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless.
Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again.
Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle.
Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really.
Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears.
Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.
And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you?

You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions.
Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently.
You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation.
To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.
Well said Gaz!

It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm!
You guys really need to stop 'thumbs upping' each other's quotes.. Bar the Pompey fans, there's about four of you guys making a whole lot of white noise and not much sense. You carry on living in the past - we'll carry on looking forward. And, yes, if we make questionable decisions I'll question them, as I have in thee past, but in case you've missed it, we've not started the season with the disaster you predicted, we've not been asset stripped, our new signings have looked decent.
100% spot on SaintJD. They are in the minority and often criticise in an obnoxious way. They disagree and call you a "condescending knob". I always try to be courteous and give everyone a chance to put across their views but I give up with some of the most illogical arguments. Even if we do emulate last season, they will still come up new things to moan about.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I think there are people posting here who need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths. It's a foreign youngster, who is undoubtedly skillful and probably has a good future as a pro, who is alone in a far off land, maybe feeling homesick, isolated and a little inadequate against those he would be judged this season. I'm not defending him, if he was my lad I'd have grabbed him by the throat, told him to man up and grab what was being offered him with both hands and under no circumstances let go, I'm offering possible reasons why this has happened. He remains a very silly, little boy regardless. Perhaps we should all remember why LeGod's brother didn't become a pro footballer (and I believe LeGod rated his brother a better footballer than he was too) He could not settle on mainland England, try as he might. He just gave up, went home and became average and content again. Taking any foreigner has an extra element of gamble involved in the deal. Some have the capacity and will to make it work other don't. Look around you, in a lot of teams in the PL you'd struggle to find an English player - most of those foreigners are coping, many are thriving, some will never return to their homelands because this is where they've decided to settle. Would one of you who said on here, the people who brought him here are to blame, stupid decision and all the usual over-emotional carp you sometimes come out with please, please please explain to me and the others on here who don't instantly jump on to the BS bus at the first negative point, just how could this have been foreseen. Come on, you've opened your mouths and **** flowed out - explain how your crystal ball would have told you this was going to happen. The other foreigners we have on our books seem to be okay so far. Every now and again one will backfire. He could just as easily wanted to sign for us at the end of the loan and become the best MF er the world has ever seen. This one didn't - his loss really. Glad it all came to a head this week when there is a small chance we can rectify it than next week when there would have been little chance of putting it right. No blame, no great drama, no repercussions for the club and the only one really being hurt by it is the silly little boy himself - he may one day regret his folly. Saint will replace him with another try before you buy, a purchase or take another look at the conveyor belt - problem solved. So calm down dears. Jesus Christ almighty how would some of you react in a real crises - I'd love to be there to film it.[/p][/quote]And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you? You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions. Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently. You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation. To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down.[/p][/quote]Well said Gaz! It's the same little group who as long as I have been posting have got the majority of their shouts and predictions WRONG! They like to portray themselves as being logical, but their posts are mostly rose-tinted dross, which always seem to be proved well off the mark. There also seem to be a lot of new HC posters appearing over the last few months. Hmmmmm![/p][/quote]You guys really need to stop 'thumbs upping' each other's quotes.. Bar the Pompey fans, there's about four of you guys making a whole lot of white noise and not much sense. You carry on living in the past - we'll carry on looking forward. And, yes, if we make questionable decisions I'll question them, as I have in thee past, but in case you've missed it, we've not started the season with the disaster you predicted, we've not been asset stripped, our new signings have looked decent.[/p][/quote]100% spot on SaintJD. They are in the minority and often criticise in an obnoxious way. They disagree and call you a "condescending knob". I always try to be courteous and give everyone a chance to put across their views but I give up with some of the most illogical arguments. Even if we do emulate last season, they will still come up new things to moan about. nomorerumours
  • Score: -1

2:41pm Sat 30 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

Fascia, you told someone on here that you were new to this site, and you told someone else that you'd been here for over 3 years.
Either way, there has never been so much arguing between Saints fans since you started posting your views.

It's not really your views that get under peoples skin, but the fact you deem it necessary to reply to every bl00dy post... the ones you agree with are replied to with back slapping and the one you disagree with you berate.
Just a simple thumbs up or down would suffice.
As someone suggested to you the other day... sometimes less is more.
Fascia, you told someone on here that you were new to this site, and you told someone else that you'd been here for over 3 years. Either way, there has never been so much arguing between Saints fans since you started posting your views. It's not really your views that get under peoples skin, but the fact you deem it necessary to reply to every bl00dy post... the ones you agree with are replied to with back slapping and the one you disagree with you berate. Just a simple thumbs up or down would suffice. As someone suggested to you the other day... sometimes less is more. costa gaz
  • Score: 3

2:46pm Sat 30 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

SaintJD wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones…
....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page.
We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management..
The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future.
The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage.
The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog.
Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point.
We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp..
Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here…
I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.
Just about sums it all up for me, outside of SFC, most football people are saying exactly this.
Of course we'll get dozens of thumbs down by the people who refuse to see what is happening to our club, people that really believe that we'll finish higher than Spurs and Liverpool, people who believe that all of the incoming players were better than we sold.
This slow motion car crash is still ongoing and while Read is steering, it will continue.
New day, same garbage.

I don't think I've seen any positive posters talking about competing in the top four or six this season - that's what you guys seem to keep harping on about.

I too was and am worried about the outgoings, but the players we've brought in mainly look very capable. Tadic is arguably an able replacement for Adam, Bertrand is a good Luke replacement, but a better defender, Forster is better than Boruc.

The biggest loss is the manager, but what's the point whinging about that? We knew he'd be a loss, but he walked out and probably would have considered it even if Cortese had stayed.

However, because the players are new, clearly we aren't going to be stable enough to do as well as last year. That doesn't mean the team is worse - they just need time.

The only possible threat to our form is not Les Reed or the board - it's idiotic, spoilt fans creating a poisonous atmosphere.

So stop looking around for a scapegoat and start looking in the mirror.
Whose looking for a scapegoat…the board are right in front of us.
Sorry, just remembered - weren't you the one suggesting we increase our capacity to 42,000 about a week ago and saying other fans just 'don't have vision'? I'd better tell the club to put on hold because you and your mates don't fancy it anymore.
Numb nuts it is called ambition it is what i want you however see a team decimated and ambition abandoned and applaud it…the board can do no wrong, bo11ocks ask around.

..my comments about life long pals (some of us have them) completely losing interest is BECAUSE after 30+ years of being the bridesmaids and never the bride we thought we were at long long effin long last getting there…

..but no the party has been cancelled the honeymoon is off and after so long it has had a much worse effect than if we had not been proposed to in the first place..try and work the pyschology out, you may understand and i use 'may' advisedly' why so many Saints fans are really low.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones… ....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page. We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management.. The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future. The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage. The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog. Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point. We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp.. Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here… I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.[/p][/quote]Just about sums it all up for me, outside of SFC, most football people are saying exactly this. Of course we'll get dozens of thumbs down by the people who refuse to see what is happening to our club, people that really believe that we'll finish higher than Spurs and Liverpool, people who believe that all of the incoming players were better than we sold. This slow motion car crash is still ongoing and while Read is steering, it will continue.[/p][/quote]New day, same garbage. I don't think I've seen any positive posters talking about competing in the top four or six this season - that's what you guys seem to keep harping on about. I too was and am worried about the outgoings, but the players we've brought in mainly look very capable. Tadic is arguably an able replacement for Adam, Bertrand is a good Luke replacement, but a better defender, Forster is better than Boruc. The biggest loss is the manager, but what's the point whinging about that? We knew he'd be a loss, but he walked out and probably would have considered it even if Cortese had stayed. However, because the players are new, clearly we aren't going to be stable enough to do as well as last year. That doesn't mean the team is worse - they just need time. The only possible threat to our form is not Les Reed or the board - it's idiotic, spoilt fans creating a poisonous atmosphere. So stop looking around for a scapegoat and start looking in the mirror.[/p][/quote]Whose looking for a scapegoat…the board are right in front of us.[/p][/quote]Sorry, just remembered - weren't you the one suggesting we increase our capacity to 42,000 about a week ago and saying other fans just 'don't have vision'? I'd better tell the club to put on hold because you and your mates don't fancy it anymore.[/p][/quote]Numb nuts it is called ambition it is what i want you however see a team decimated and ambition abandoned and applaud it…the board can do no wrong, bo11ocks ask around. ..my comments about life long pals (some of us have them) completely losing interest is BECAUSE after 30+ years of being the bridesmaids and never the bride we thought we were at long long effin long last getting there… ..but no the party has been cancelled the honeymoon is off and after so long it has had a much worse effect than if we had not been proposed to in the first place..try and work the pyschology out, you may understand and i use 'may' advisedly' why so many Saints fans are really low. warrens 76
  • Score: 1

2:54pm Sat 30 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

costa gaz wrote:
Fascia, you told someone on here that you were new to this site, and you told someone else that you'd been here for over 3 years.
Either way, there has never been so much arguing between Saints fans since you started posting your views.

It's not really your views that get under peoples skin, but the fact you deem it necessary to reply to every bl00dy post... the ones you agree with are replied to with back slapping and the one you disagree with you berate.
Just a simple thumbs up or down would suffice.
As someone suggested to you the other day... sometimes less is more.
Was that another one of your alter egos that commented on my frequency of posting, I had you down for about four but I am starting to think it more.

I said I registered about 3/4 years ago but of only recently started posting again after coming up against abuse from the likes of you.

I would point you to various threads one in particular Thursday evening where the posters were of many varying opinions and I cannot remember one argument.

I would place the crown of most argumentative and abusive firmly at your feet.

Goodbye going to follow are team now are you.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Fascia, you told someone on here that you were new to this site, and you told someone else that you'd been here for over 3 years. Either way, there has never been so much arguing between Saints fans since you started posting your views. It's not really your views that get under peoples skin, but the fact you deem it necessary to reply to every bl00dy post... the ones you agree with are replied to with back slapping and the one you disagree with you berate. Just a simple thumbs up or down would suffice. As someone suggested to you the other day... sometimes less is more.[/p][/quote]Was that another one of your alter egos that commented on my frequency of posting, I had you down for about four but I am starting to think it more. I said I registered about 3/4 years ago but of only recently started posting again after coming up against abuse from the likes of you. I would point you to various threads one in particular Thursday evening where the posters were of many varying opinions and I cannot remember one argument. I would place the crown of most argumentative and abusive firmly at your feet. Goodbye going to follow are team now are you. fascia123
  • Score: 0

2:56pm Sat 30 Aug 14

St_Ron says...

costa gaz wrote:
St_Ron wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
Oh well, bye then. He was a shot to nothing. At least he's shipped out now.
Exactly much better than Vegrard Forren who cost us the difference of £4M minus whatever peanuts we got back for him, fans didn't give Cortese as much stick over that as much as they are to Les Reed for this much cheaper error. Some you win some you lose, the board aren't going to get them right all the time, come on folks give them a chance.
Les REED was made head of football development in 2010 and his duties were head of player recruitment and scouting amongst others
How much influence REED had with this one we'll never know... but at the time it was his department. Doubt if Adkins had any say in it what-so-ever.
Whether he had much say in things working under Cortese is debatable.
Fair enough I thought he came in later but if you critize Reed for the flops you have to be fair and give him credit for the hits, Lovren bought for £8 Mil sold for £20M in under a year is one example .
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St_Ron[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: Oh well, bye then. He was a shot to nothing. At least he's shipped out now.[/p][/quote]Exactly much better than Vegrard Forren who cost us the difference of £4M minus whatever peanuts we got back for him, fans didn't give Cortese as much stick over that as much as they are to Les Reed for this much cheaper error. Some you win some you lose, the board aren't going to get them right all the time, come on folks give them a chance.[/p][/quote]Les REED was made head of football development in 2010 and his duties were head of player recruitment and scouting amongst others How much influence REED had with this one we'll never know... but at the time it was his department. Doubt if Adkins had any say in it what-so-ever. Whether he had much say in things working under Cortese is debatable.[/p][/quote]Fair enough I thought he came in later but if you critize Reed for the flops you have to be fair and give him credit for the hits, Lovren bought for £8 Mil sold for £20M in under a year is one example . St_Ron
  • Score: 2

2:58pm Sat 30 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

St_Ron wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
St_Ron wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
Oh well, bye then. He was a shot to nothing. At least he's shipped out now.
Exactly much better than Vegrard Forren who cost us the difference of £4M minus whatever peanuts we got back for him, fans didn't give Cortese as much stick over that as much as they are to Les Reed for this much cheaper error. Some you win some you lose, the board aren't going to get them right all the time, come on folks give them a chance.
Les REED was made head of football development in 2010 and his duties were head of player recruitment and scouting amongst others
How much influence REED had with this one we'll never know... but at the time it was his department. Doubt if Adkins had any say in it what-so-ever.
Whether he had much say in things working under Cortese is debatable.
Fair enough I thought he came in later but if you critize Reed for the flops you have to be fair and give him credit for the hits, Lovren bought for £8 Mil sold for £20M in under a year is one example .
Does not cover the loss On Osvaldo…let alone Forren.
[quote][p][bold]St_Ron[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St_Ron[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: Oh well, bye then. He was a shot to nothing. At least he's shipped out now.[/p][/quote]Exactly much better than Vegrard Forren who cost us the difference of £4M minus whatever peanuts we got back for him, fans didn't give Cortese as much stick over that as much as they are to Les Reed for this much cheaper error. Some you win some you lose, the board aren't going to get them right all the time, come on folks give them a chance.[/p][/quote]Les REED was made head of football development in 2010 and his duties were head of player recruitment and scouting amongst others How much influence REED had with this one we'll never know... but at the time it was his department. Doubt if Adkins had any say in it what-so-ever. Whether he had much say in things working under Cortese is debatable.[/p][/quote]Fair enough I thought he came in later but if you critize Reed for the flops you have to be fair and give him credit for the hits, Lovren bought for £8 Mil sold for £20M in under a year is one example .[/p][/quote]Does not cover the loss On Osvaldo…let alone Forren. warrens 76
  • Score: 1

2:58pm Sat 30 Aug 14

one in the crowd says...

owen thesaints... wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
What a farce.

Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window.

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the club be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
dick
I look forward to your public apology to me at the end of the season, when I am proved right !
[quote][p][bold]owen thesaints...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: What a farce. Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window. Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the club be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more.[/p][/quote]dick[/p][/quote]I look forward to your public apology to me at the end of the season, when I am proved right ! one in the crowd
  • Score: -1

3:01pm Sat 30 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

St_Ron wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
St_Ron wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
Oh well, bye then. He was a shot to nothing. At least he's shipped out now.
Exactly much better than Vegrard Forren who cost us the difference of £4M minus whatever peanuts we got back for him, fans didn't give Cortese as much stick over that as much as they are to Les Reed for this much cheaper error. Some you win some you lose, the board aren't going to get them right all the time, come on folks give them a chance.
Les REED was made head of football development in 2010 and his duties were head of player recruitment and scouting amongst others
How much influence REED had with this one we'll never know... but at the time it was his department. Doubt if Adkins had any say in it what-so-ever.
Whether he had much say in things working under Cortese is debatable.
Fair enough I thought he came in later but if you critize Reed for the flops you have to be fair and give him credit for the hits, Lovren bought for £8 Mil sold for £20M in under a year is one example .
Absolutely St Ron, Lovren was one of our best signings ever, the bargain of the century for us, saying that I think Liverpool have also got a bargain.

Players like that don't come about very often and we had a very good season out of him before he was tempted by huge money and champions league.
[quote][p][bold]St_Ron[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St_Ron[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: Oh well, bye then. He was a shot to nothing. At least he's shipped out now.[/p][/quote]Exactly much better than Vegrard Forren who cost us the difference of £4M minus whatever peanuts we got back for him, fans didn't give Cortese as much stick over that as much as they are to Les Reed for this much cheaper error. Some you win some you lose, the board aren't going to get them right all the time, come on folks give them a chance.[/p][/quote]Les REED was made head of football development in 2010 and his duties were head of player recruitment and scouting amongst others How much influence REED had with this one we'll never know... but at the time it was his department. Doubt if Adkins had any say in it what-so-ever. Whether he had much say in things working under Cortese is debatable.[/p][/quote]Fair enough I thought he came in later but if you critize Reed for the flops you have to be fair and give him credit for the hits, Lovren bought for £8 Mil sold for £20M in under a year is one example .[/p][/quote]Absolutely St Ron, Lovren was one of our best signings ever, the bargain of the century for us, saying that I think Liverpool have also got a bargain. Players like that don't come about very often and we had a very good season out of him before he was tempted by huge money and champions league. costa gaz
  • Score: 2

3:04pm Sat 30 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

fascia123 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Fascia, you told someone on here that you were new to this site, and you told someone else that you'd been here for over 3 years.
Either way, there has never been so much arguing between Saints fans since you started posting your views.

It's not really your views that get under peoples skin, but the fact you deem it necessary to reply to every bl00dy post... the ones you agree with are replied to with back slapping and the one you disagree with you berate.
Just a simple thumbs up or down would suffice.
As someone suggested to you the other day... sometimes less is more.
Was that another one of your alter egos that commented on my frequency of posting, I had you down for about four but I am starting to think it more.

I said I registered about 3/4 years ago but of only recently started posting again after coming up against abuse from the likes of you.

I would point you to various threads one in particular Thursday evening where the posters were of many varying opinions and I cannot remember one argument.

I would place the crown of most argumentative and abusive firmly at your feet.

Goodbye going to follow are team now are you.
What or who is are team.... lol it's OUR team thicko!!!!


Sorry to disappoint, but there is only one of me, so i reckon that there are at least ten other on here who think you are a complete two hat.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Fascia, you told someone on here that you were new to this site, and you told someone else that you'd been here for over 3 years. Either way, there has never been so much arguing between Saints fans since you started posting your views. It's not really your views that get under peoples skin, but the fact you deem it necessary to reply to every bl00dy post... the ones you agree with are replied to with back slapping and the one you disagree with you berate. Just a simple thumbs up or down would suffice. As someone suggested to you the other day... sometimes less is more.[/p][/quote]Was that another one of your alter egos that commented on my frequency of posting, I had you down for about four but I am starting to think it more. I said I registered about 3/4 years ago but of only recently started posting again after coming up against abuse from the likes of you. I would point you to various threads one in particular Thursday evening where the posters were of many varying opinions and I cannot remember one argument. I would place the crown of most argumentative and abusive firmly at your feet. Goodbye going to follow are team now are you.[/p][/quote]What or who is are team.... lol it's OUR team thicko!!!! Sorry to disappoint, but there is only one of me, so i reckon that there are at least ten other on here who think you are a complete two hat. costa gaz
  • Score: 2

3:08pm Sat 30 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

warrens 76 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones…
....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page.
We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management..
The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future.
The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage.
The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog.
Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point.
We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp..
Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here…
I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.
Just about sums it all up for me, outside of SFC, most football people are saying exactly this.
Of course we'll get dozens of thumbs down by the people who refuse to see what is happening to our club, people that really believe that we'll finish higher than Spurs and Liverpool, people who believe that all of the incoming players were better than we sold.
This slow motion car crash is still ongoing and while Read is steering, it will continue.
New day, same garbage.

I don't think I've seen any positive posters talking about competing in the top four or six this season - that's what you guys seem to keep harping on about.

I too was and am worried about the outgoings, but the players we've brought in mainly look very capable. Tadic is arguably an able replacement for Adam, Bertrand is a good Luke replacement, but a better defender, Forster is better than Boruc.

The biggest loss is the manager, but what's the point whinging about that? We knew he'd be a loss, but he walked out and probably would have considered it even if Cortese had stayed.

However, because the players are new, clearly we aren't going to be stable enough to do as well as last year. That doesn't mean the team is worse - they just need time.

The only possible threat to our form is not Les Reed or the board - it's idiotic, spoilt fans creating a poisonous atmosphere.

So stop looking around for a scapegoat and start looking in the mirror.
Whose looking for a scapegoat…the board are right in front of us.
Sorry, just remembered - weren't you the one suggesting we increase our capacity to 42,000 about a week ago and saying other fans just 'don't have vision'? I'd better tell the club to put on hold because you and your mates don't fancy it anymore.
Numb nuts it is called ambition it is what i want you however see a team decimated and ambition abandoned and applaud it…the board can do no wrong, bo11ocks ask around.

..my comments about life long pals (some of us have them) completely losing interest is BECAUSE after 30+ years of being the bridesmaids and never the bride we thought we were at long long effin long last getting there…

..but no the party has been cancelled the honeymoon is off and after so long it has had a much worse effect than if we had not been proposed to in the first place..try and work the pyschology out, you may understand and i use 'may' advisedly' why so many Saints fans are really low.
You suggested it last week. Don't think much has really changed since then. Do you just get very, very nervous around deadline day? Sit down, have a beer and relax. You've run three businesses so clearly you need a rest.

By the way - can you show me the evidence of this proposal of marriage you were offered? Not from a third party (MoPo, NC), but from the owner of the club.

It's simple because your entire argument is based on it: please show me evidence of our saviour Markus's promise of Champions League football. Simple request.

Then please confirm, again a simple task, that you wish to blame the person he CHOSE to continue his legacy, his daughter. You've already suggested the board who you consider deserves blame for the destroyed stalker wedding you and your mates seem to have arranged. Talk about bridezilla.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones… ....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page. We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management.. The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future. The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage. The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog. Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point. We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp.. Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here… I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.[/p][/quote]Just about sums it all up for me, outside of SFC, most football people are saying exactly this. Of course we'll get dozens of thumbs down by the people who refuse to see what is happening to our club, people that really believe that we'll finish higher than Spurs and Liverpool, people who believe that all of the incoming players were better than we sold. This slow motion car crash is still ongoing and while Read is steering, it will continue.[/p][/quote]New day, same garbage. I don't think I've seen any positive posters talking about competing in the top four or six this season - that's what you guys seem to keep harping on about. I too was and am worried about the outgoings, but the players we've brought in mainly look very capable. Tadic is arguably an able replacement for Adam, Bertrand is a good Luke replacement, but a better defender, Forster is better than Boruc. The biggest loss is the manager, but what's the point whinging about that? We knew he'd be a loss, but he walked out and probably would have considered it even if Cortese had stayed. However, because the players are new, clearly we aren't going to be stable enough to do as well as last year. That doesn't mean the team is worse - they just need time. The only possible threat to our form is not Les Reed or the board - it's idiotic, spoilt fans creating a poisonous atmosphere. So stop looking around for a scapegoat and start looking in the mirror.[/p][/quote]Whose looking for a scapegoat…the board are right in front of us.[/p][/quote]Sorry, just remembered - weren't you the one suggesting we increase our capacity to 42,000 about a week ago and saying other fans just 'don't have vision'? I'd better tell the club to put on hold because you and your mates don't fancy it anymore.[/p][/quote]Numb nuts it is called ambition it is what i want you however see a team decimated and ambition abandoned and applaud it…the board can do no wrong, bo11ocks ask around. ..my comments about life long pals (some of us have them) completely losing interest is BECAUSE after 30+ years of being the bridesmaids and never the bride we thought we were at long long effin long last getting there… ..but no the party has been cancelled the honeymoon is off and after so long it has had a much worse effect than if we had not been proposed to in the first place..try and work the pyschology out, you may understand and i use 'may' advisedly' why so many Saints fans are really low.[/p][/quote]You suggested it last week. Don't think much has really changed since then. Do you just get very, very nervous around deadline day? Sit down, have a beer and relax. You've run three businesses so clearly you need a rest. By the way - can you show me the evidence of this proposal of marriage you were offered? Not from a third party (MoPo, NC), but from the owner of the club. It's simple because your entire argument is based on it: please show me evidence of our saviour Markus's promise of Champions League football. Simple request. Then please confirm, again a simple task, that you wish to blame the person he CHOSE to continue his legacy, his daughter. You've already suggested the board who you consider deserves blame for the destroyed stalker wedding you and your mates seem to have arranged. Talk about bridezilla. SaintJD
  • Score: -1

4:54pm Sat 30 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

warrens 76 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones…
....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page.
We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management..
The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future.
The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage.
The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog.
Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point.
We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp..
Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here…
I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.
Just about sums it all up for me, outside of SFC, most football people are saying exactly this.
Of course we'll get dozens of thumbs down by the people who refuse to see what is happening to our club, people that really believe that we'll finish higher than Spurs and Liverpool, people who believe that all of the incoming players were better than we sold.
This slow motion car crash is still ongoing and while Read is steering, it will continue.
New day, same garbage.

I don't think I've seen any positive posters talking about competing in the top four or six this season - that's what you guys seem to keep harping on about.

I too was and am worried about the outgoings, but the players we've brought in mainly look very capable. Tadic is arguably an able replacement for Adam, Bertrand is a good Luke replacement, but a better defender, Forster is better than Boruc.

The biggest loss is the manager, but what's the point whinging about that? We knew he'd be a loss, but he walked out and probably would have considered it even if Cortese had stayed.

However, because the players are new, clearly we aren't going to be stable enough to do as well as last year. That doesn't mean the team is worse - they just need time.

The only possible threat to our form is not Les Reed or the board - it's idiotic, spoilt fans creating a poisonous atmosphere.

So stop looking around for a scapegoat and start looking in the mirror.
Whose looking for a scapegoat…the board are right in front of us.
Sorry, just remembered - weren't you the one suggesting we increase our capacity to 42,000 about a week ago and saying other fans just 'don't have vision'? I'd better tell the club to put on hold because you and your mates don't fancy it anymore.
Numb nuts it is called ambition it is what i want you however see a team decimated and ambition abandoned and applaud it…the board can do no wrong, bo11ocks ask around.

..my comments about life long pals (some of us have them) completely losing interest is BECAUSE after 30+ years of being the bridesmaids and never the bride we thought we were at long long effin long last getting there…

..but no the party has been cancelled the honeymoon is off and after so long it has had a much worse effect than if we had not been proposed to in the first place..try and work the pyschology out, you may understand and i use 'may' advisedly' why so many Saints fans are really low.
How you guys doing? A bit happier? Don't be embarrassed, but best not to change your mood based on a poor performance against West Brom. My mood has been steady throughout and will continue to be because I support the team and club through thick and thin. Up the Saints! Better phone your mates and tell them.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones… ....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page. We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management.. The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future. The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage. The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog. Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point. We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp.. Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here… I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.[/p][/quote]Just about sums it all up for me, outside of SFC, most football people are saying exactly this. Of course we'll get dozens of thumbs down by the people who refuse to see what is happening to our club, people that really believe that we'll finish higher than Spurs and Liverpool, people who believe that all of the incoming players were better than we sold. This slow motion car crash is still ongoing and while Read is steering, it will continue.[/p][/quote]New day, same garbage. I don't think I've seen any positive posters talking about competing in the top four or six this season - that's what you guys seem to keep harping on about. I too was and am worried about the outgoings, but the players we've brought in mainly look very capable. Tadic is arguably an able replacement for Adam, Bertrand is a good Luke replacement, but a better defender, Forster is better than Boruc. The biggest loss is the manager, but what's the point whinging about that? We knew he'd be a loss, but he walked out and probably would have considered it even if Cortese had stayed. However, because the players are new, clearly we aren't going to be stable enough to do as well as last year. That doesn't mean the team is worse - they just need time. The only possible threat to our form is not Les Reed or the board - it's idiotic, spoilt fans creating a poisonous atmosphere. So stop looking around for a scapegoat and start looking in the mirror.[/p][/quote]Whose looking for a scapegoat…the board are right in front of us.[/p][/quote]Sorry, just remembered - weren't you the one suggesting we increase our capacity to 42,000 about a week ago and saying other fans just 'don't have vision'? I'd better tell the club to put on hold because you and your mates don't fancy it anymore.[/p][/quote]Numb nuts it is called ambition it is what i want you however see a team decimated and ambition abandoned and applaud it…the board can do no wrong, bo11ocks ask around. ..my comments about life long pals (some of us have them) completely losing interest is BECAUSE after 30+ years of being the bridesmaids and never the bride we thought we were at long long effin long last getting there… ..but no the party has been cancelled the honeymoon is off and after so long it has had a much worse effect than if we had not been proposed to in the first place..try and work the pyschology out, you may understand and i use 'may' advisedly' why so many Saints fans are really low.[/p][/quote]How you guys doing? A bit happier? Don't be embarrassed, but best not to change your mood based on a poor performance against West Brom. My mood has been steady throughout and will continue to be because I support the team and club through thick and thin. Up the Saints! Better phone your mates and tell them. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

5:19pm Sat 30 Aug 14

SouthamptonBoy65 says...

one in the crowd wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Wembley76 wrote:
The fact is the boy doesn't want to train to the standards of RoKo...good on the boss to identify the problem early and ship him and his enormous wages out!! What is wring with some of these lads, paid a fortune, molly coddled, hero-worshipped by fans who could only 'dream' of such a lifestyle and they are not prepared to 'work at it'....we now learn that Shaw was continually having fitness problems under MoPo and Roy,,,great bit of business getting £27m for an overrated player who has yet to prove his ability and commitment, We have good committed players in the form of Cork, Davis, Fonte, JWP who are prepared to work their socks of for the team. Ciao, au-revoir, good riddance Tired-er!!
While I concur that we have plenty in the midfield already, I don't find it reassuring that players bought in to make up the numbers for over half of our best players can be ousted so quickly without much game time on the pitch to prove whether or not they are up to the grade. We were told he would be a great addition to the squad, and his 2 appearances were hailed by the manager and fans alike. The timing of his departure couldn't be worse. Right at the end of the transfer window, before we have got any other players in. Time will tell how this will pan out, but at this stage I do have concerns about this season. Our youth players are being expected to plug gaps where we should have proven experience to back them up. Reed stated to judge him in September when the results would speak for themselves. Going by that statement there had better be a win on Saturday.
Likely score for Saturday 30/8/2014

West Ham United 2 -------- Southampton 1
So , your predictions are as good as your observations then!

SB
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: The fact is the boy doesn't want to train to the standards of RoKo...good on the boss to identify the problem early and ship him and his enormous wages out!! What is wring with some of these lads, paid a fortune, molly coddled, hero-worshipped by fans who could only 'dream' of such a lifestyle and they are not prepared to 'work at it'....we now learn that Shaw was continually having fitness problems under MoPo and Roy,,,great bit of business getting £27m for an overrated player who has yet to prove his ability and commitment, We have good committed players in the form of Cork, Davis, Fonte, JWP who are prepared to work their socks of for the team. Ciao, au-revoir, good riddance Tired-er!![/p][/quote]While I concur that we have plenty in the midfield already, I don't find it reassuring that players bought in to make up the numbers for over half of our best players can be ousted so quickly without much game time on the pitch to prove whether or not they are up to the grade. We were told he would be a great addition to the squad, and his 2 appearances were hailed by the manager and fans alike. The timing of his departure couldn't be worse. Right at the end of the transfer window, before we have got any other players in. Time will tell how this will pan out, but at this stage I do have concerns about this season. Our youth players are being expected to plug gaps where we should have proven experience to back them up. Reed stated to judge him in September when the results would speak for themselves. Going by that statement there had better be a win on Saturday.[/p][/quote]Likely score for Saturday 30/8/2014 West Ham United 2 -------- Southampton 1[/p][/quote]So , your predictions are as good as your observations then! SB SouthamptonBoy65
  • Score: 1

5:20pm Sat 30 Aug 14

SouthamptonBoy65 says...

one in the crowd wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Wembley76 wrote:
The fact is the boy doesn't want to train to the standards of RoKo...good on the boss to identify the problem early and ship him and his enormous wages out!! What is wring with some of these lads, paid a fortune, molly coddled, hero-worshipped by fans who could only 'dream' of such a lifestyle and they are not prepared to 'work at it'....we now learn that Shaw was continually having fitness problems under MoPo and Roy,,,great bit of business getting £27m for an overrated player who has yet to prove his ability and commitment, We have good committed players in the form of Cork, Davis, Fonte, JWP who are prepared to work their socks of for the team. Ciao, au-revoir, good riddance Tired-er!!
While I concur that we have plenty in the midfield already, I don't find it reassuring that players bought in to make up the numbers for over half of our best players can be ousted so quickly without much game time on the pitch to prove whether or not they are up to the grade. We were told he would be a great addition to the squad, and his 2 appearances were hailed by the manager and fans alike. The timing of his departure couldn't be worse. Right at the end of the transfer window, before we have got any other players in. Time will tell how this will pan out, but at this stage I do have concerns about this season. Our youth players are being expected to plug gaps where we should have proven experience to back them up. Reed stated to judge him in September when the results would speak for themselves. Going by that statement there had better be a win on Saturday.
Likely score for Saturday 30/8/2014

West Ham United 2 -------- Southampton 1
So , your predictions are as good as your observations then!

SB
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: The fact is the boy doesn't want to train to the standards of RoKo...good on the boss to identify the problem early and ship him and his enormous wages out!! What is wring with some of these lads, paid a fortune, molly coddled, hero-worshipped by fans who could only 'dream' of such a lifestyle and they are not prepared to 'work at it'....we now learn that Shaw was continually having fitness problems under MoPo and Roy,,,great bit of business getting £27m for an overrated player who has yet to prove his ability and commitment, We have good committed players in the form of Cork, Davis, Fonte, JWP who are prepared to work their socks of for the team. Ciao, au-revoir, good riddance Tired-er!![/p][/quote]While I concur that we have plenty in the midfield already, I don't find it reassuring that players bought in to make up the numbers for over half of our best players can be ousted so quickly without much game time on the pitch to prove whether or not they are up to the grade. We were told he would be a great addition to the squad, and his 2 appearances were hailed by the manager and fans alike. The timing of his departure couldn't be worse. Right at the end of the transfer window, before we have got any other players in. Time will tell how this will pan out, but at this stage I do have concerns about this season. Our youth players are being expected to plug gaps where we should have proven experience to back them up. Reed stated to judge him in September when the results would speak for themselves. Going by that statement there had better be a win on Saturday.[/p][/quote]Likely score for Saturday 30/8/2014 West Ham United 2 -------- Southampton 1[/p][/quote]So , your predictions are as good as your observations then! SB SouthamptonBoy65
  • Score: 1

6:17pm Sat 30 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

SaintJD wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones…
....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page.
We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management..
The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future.
The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage.
The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog.
Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point.
We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp..
Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here…
I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.
Just about sums it all up for me, outside of SFC, most football people are saying exactly this.
Of course we'll get dozens of thumbs down by the people who refuse to see what is happening to our club, people that really believe that we'll finish higher than Spurs and Liverpool, people who believe that all of the incoming players were better than we sold.
This slow motion car crash is still ongoing and while Read is steering, it will continue.
New day, same garbage.

I don't think I've seen any positive posters talking about competing in the top four or six this season - that's what you guys seem to keep harping on about.

I too was and am worried about the outgoings, but the players we've brought in mainly look very capable. Tadic is arguably an able replacement for Adam, Bertrand is a good Luke replacement, but a better defender, Forster is better than Boruc.

The biggest loss is the manager, but what's the point whinging about that? We knew he'd be a loss, but he walked out and probably would have considered it even if Cortese had stayed.

However, because the players are new, clearly we aren't going to be stable enough to do as well as last year. That doesn't mean the team is worse - they just need time.

The only possible threat to our form is not Les Reed or the board - it's idiotic, spoilt fans creating a poisonous atmosphere.

So stop looking around for a scapegoat and start looking in the mirror.
Whose looking for a scapegoat…the board are right in front of us.
Sorry, just remembered - weren't you the one suggesting we increase our capacity to 42,000 about a week ago and saying other fans just 'don't have vision'? I'd better tell the club to put on hold because you and your mates don't fancy it anymore.
Numb nuts it is called ambition it is what i want you however see a team decimated and ambition abandoned and applaud it…the board can do no wrong, bo11ocks ask around.

..my comments about life long pals (some of us have them) completely losing interest is BECAUSE after 30+ years of being the bridesmaids and never the bride we thought we were at long long effin long last getting there…

..but no the party has been cancelled the honeymoon is off and after so long it has had a much worse effect than if we had not been proposed to in the first place..try and work the pyschology out, you may understand and i use 'may' advisedly' why so many Saints fans are really low.
You suggested it last week. Don't think much has really changed since then. Do you just get very, very nervous around deadline day? Sit down, have a beer and relax. You've run three businesses so clearly you need a rest.

By the way - can you show me the evidence of this proposal of marriage you were offered? Not from a third party (MoPo, NC), but from the owner of the club.

It's simple because your entire argument is based on it: please show me evidence of our saviour Markus's promise of Champions League football. Simple request.

Then please confirm, again a simple task, that you wish to blame the person he CHOSE to continue his legacy, his daughter. You've already suggested the board who you consider deserves blame for the destroyed stalker wedding you and your mates seem to have arranged. Talk about bridezilla.
Well, that was succinct..if they get it right (the board) we progress if they do not it's years of toil…hope you are right, I would rather be proven to be wrong than right!
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Most on here support the club come what may…we all do except sttention seeking tw%ts like oneinthecrowd, kent141 and his mega aliases and the Skuntish ones… ....however supporting the club does not the board and it's decisions and motivations are on the same page. We have been told terminilogical inexactitudes, we have failed abysmally with man management.. The sale of Shaw alone netted enough to pay for Staplewood in it's entirety, the loss of the rest would not have been allowed by any club with an ambitious future. The handling of the MoPo situation was naive in the extreme, the queue of people wanting to join this club a mirage. The know nothing about football board allowed the tail to wag the dog. Talking to several friends recently none have renewed there season tickets some of whom had them since the ground opened and the message from the man on the street is the ambition has gone, we had our chance and it will never happen again…ergo whats the point. We are all tired of playing second fiddle to the Brand name clubs, most will never get the chance to compete we did and Swiss accountancy turned away from it as there are still many ways they could improve, ground, clever sponsership, arms length 'deals' etc without breaking ffp.. Let me tell you it is far far worse to have something and then lose it than it is to have never had it in the first place…that thing was belief and it's loss has left many TRUE fans so dpressed they have no interest in going anymore than these scores of talented playerswant to come here… I think the whole summer is and will continue to be a travesty of what ML and NC wanted to give us.[/p][/quote]Just about sums it all up for me, outside of SFC, most football people are saying exactly this. Of course we'll get dozens of thumbs down by the people who refuse to see what is happening to our club, people that really believe that we'll finish higher than Spurs and Liverpool, people who believe that all of the incoming players were better than we sold. This slow motion car crash is still ongoing and while Read is steering, it will continue.[/p][/quote]New day, same garbage. I don't think I've seen any positive posters talking about competing in the top four or six this season - that's what you guys seem to keep harping on about. I too was and am worried about the outgoings, but the players we've brought in mainly look very capable. Tadic is arguably an able replacement for Adam, Bertrand is a good Luke replacement, but a better defender, Forster is better than Boruc. The biggest loss is the manager, but what's the point whinging about that? We knew he'd be a loss, but he walked out and probably would have considered it even if Cortese had stayed. However, because the players are new, clearly we aren't going to be stable enough to do as well as last year. That doesn't mean the team is worse - they just need time. The only possible threat to our form is not Les Reed or the board - it's idiotic, spoilt fans creating a poisonous atmosphere. So stop looking around for a scapegoat and start looking in the mirror.[/p][/quote]Whose looking for a scapegoat…the board are right in front of us.[/p][/quote]Sorry, just remembered - weren't you the one suggesting we increase our capacity to 42,000 about a week ago and saying other fans just 'don't have vision'? I'd better tell the club to put on hold because you and your mates don't fancy it anymore.[/p][/quote]Numb nuts it is called ambition it is what i want you however see a team decimated and ambition abandoned and applaud it…the board can do no wrong, bo11ocks ask around. ..my comments about life long pals (some of us have them) completely losing interest is BECAUSE after 30+ years of being the bridesmaids and never the bride we thought we were at long long effin long last getting there… ..but no the party has been cancelled the honeymoon is off and after so long it has had a much worse effect than if we had not been proposed to in the first place..try and work the pyschology out, you may understand and i use 'may' advisedly' why so many Saints fans are really low.[/p][/quote]You suggested it last week. Don't think much has really changed since then. Do you just get very, very nervous around deadline day? Sit down, have a beer and relax. You've run three businesses so clearly you need a rest. By the way - can you show me the evidence of this proposal of marriage you were offered? Not from a third party (MoPo, NC), but from the owner of the club. It's simple because your entire argument is based on it: please show me evidence of our saviour Markus's promise of Champions League football. Simple request. Then please confirm, again a simple task, that you wish to blame the person he CHOSE to continue his legacy, his daughter. You've already suggested the board who you consider deserves blame for the destroyed stalker wedding you and your mates seem to have arranged. Talk about bridezilla.[/p][/quote]Well, that was succinct..if they get it right (the board) we progress if they do not it's years of toil…hope you are right, I would rather be proven to be wrong than right! warrens 76
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7:19pm Sat 30 Aug 14

florida saint says...

one in the crowd wrote:
What a farce.

Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window.

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the club be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
tw@t
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: What a farce. Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window. Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the club be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more.[/p][/quote]tw@t florida saint
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7:20pm Sat 30 Aug 14

florida saint says...

one in the crowd wrote:
What a farce.

Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window.

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the club be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
what a tw@t you are.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: What a farce. Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window. Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the club be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more.[/p][/quote]what a tw@t you are. florida saint
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7:33pm Sat 30 Aug 14

florida saint says...

well lads, I have just watched saints totally out play west ham, we passed them to death, they could not get near us in the second half. then someone mentioned we sold our best players in the summer. sorry I said I didn't notice. the wheels are truly back on the bus. Please all fans move on and enjoy the new revolution, only losers look back. effin love the saints.
well lads, I have just watched saints totally out play west ham, we passed them to death, they could not get near us in the second half. then someone mentioned we sold our best players in the summer. sorry I said I didn't notice. the wheels are truly back on the bus. Please all fans move on and enjoy the new revolution, only losers look back. effin love the saints. florida saint
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7:47pm Sat 30 Aug 14

HAZZAAR says...

one in the crowd wrote:
What a farce.

Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window.

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the club be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
Please remember that the wages over the period of the contracts
have to be included when doing the maths.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: What a farce. Those responsible for deciding to sign this player are complete and utter fools. It is their responsibility to assess whether a player cannot only play football,but whether they will adapt and fit into being a member of the team, this whole fiasco makes Saints into a laughing stock. They are now rapidly running out of time and require yet another vital player before the end of the transfer window. Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 3 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the club be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more.[/p][/quote]Please remember that the wages over the period of the contracts have to be included when doing the maths. HAZZAAR
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7:55pm Sat 30 Aug 14

HAZZAAR says...

one in the crowd wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Wembley76 wrote:
The fact is the boy doesn't want to train to the standards of RoKo...good on the boss to identify the problem early and ship him and his enormous wages out!! What is wring with some of these lads, paid a fortune, molly coddled, hero-worshipped by fans who could only 'dream' of such a lifestyle and they are not prepared to 'work at it'....we now learn that Shaw was continually having fitness problems under MoPo and Roy,,,great bit of business getting £27m for an overrated player who has yet to prove his ability and commitment, We have good committed players in the form of Cork, Davis, Fonte, JWP who are prepared to work their socks of for the team. Ciao, au-revoir, good riddance Tired-er!!
While I concur that we have plenty in the midfield already, I don't find it reassuring that players bought in to make up the numbers for over half of our best players can be ousted so quickly without much game time on the pitch to prove whether or not they are up to the grade. We were told he would be a great addition to the squad, and his 2 appearances were hailed by the manager and fans alike. The timing of his departure couldn't be worse. Right at the end of the transfer window, before we have got any other players in. Time will tell how this will pan out, but at this stage I do have concerns about this season. Our youth players are being expected to plug gaps where we should have proven experience to back them up. Reed stated to judge him in September when the results would speak for themselves. Going by that statement there had better be a win on Saturday.
Likely score for Saturday 30/8/2014

West Ham United 2 -------- Southampton 1
Ooopps !!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: The fact is the boy doesn't want to train to the standards of RoKo...good on the boss to identify the problem early and ship him and his enormous wages out!! What is wring with some of these lads, paid a fortune, molly coddled, hero-worshipped by fans who could only 'dream' of such a lifestyle and they are not prepared to 'work at it'....we now learn that Shaw was continually having fitness problems under MoPo and Roy,,,great bit of business getting £27m for an overrated player who has yet to prove his ability and commitment, We have good committed players in the form of Cork, Davis, Fonte, JWP who are prepared to work their socks of for the team. Ciao, au-revoir, good riddance Tired-er!![/p][/quote]While I concur that we have plenty in the midfield already, I don't find it reassuring that players bought in to make up the numbers for over half of our best players can be ousted so quickly without much game time on the pitch to prove whether or not they are up to the grade. We were told he would be a great addition to the squad, and his 2 appearances were hailed by the manager and fans alike. The timing of his departure couldn't be worse. Right at the end of the transfer window, before we have got any other players in. Time will tell how this will pan out, but at this stage I do have concerns about this season. Our youth players are being expected to plug gaps where we should have proven experience to back them up. Reed stated to judge him in September when the results would speak for themselves. Going by that statement there had better be a win on Saturday.[/p][/quote]Likely score for Saturday 30/8/2014 West Ham United 2 -------- Southampton 1[/p][/quote]Ooopps !!!!!! HAZZAAR
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8:06pm Sat 30 Aug 14

florida saint says...

HAZZAAR wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Wembley76 wrote:
The fact is the boy doesn't want to train to the standards of RoKo...good on the boss to identify the problem early and ship him and his enormous wages out!! What is wring with some of these lads, paid a fortune, molly coddled, hero-worshipped by fans who could only 'dream' of such a lifestyle and they are not prepared to 'work at it'....we now learn that Shaw was continually having fitness problems under MoPo and Roy,,,great bit of business getting £27m for an overrated player who has yet to prove his ability and commitment, We have good committed players in the form of Cork, Davis, Fonte, JWP who are prepared to work their socks of for the team. Ciao, au-revoir, good riddance Tired-er!!
While I concur that we have plenty in the midfield already, I don't find it reassuring that players bought in to make up the numbers for over half of our best players can be ousted so quickly without much game time on the pitch to prove whether or not they are up to the grade. We were told he would be a great addition to the squad, and his 2 appearances were hailed by the manager and fans alike. The timing of his departure couldn't be worse. Right at the end of the transfer window, before we have got any other players in. Time will tell how this will pan out, but at this stage I do have concerns about this season. Our youth players are being expected to plug gaps where we should have proven experience to back them up. Reed stated to judge him in September when the results would speak for themselves. Going by that statement there had better be a win on Saturday.
Likely score for Saturday 30/8/2014

West Ham United 2 -------- Southampton 1
Ooopps !!!!!!
don't do the lottery mate
[quote][p][bold]HAZZAAR[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: The fact is the boy doesn't want to train to the standards of RoKo...good on the boss to identify the problem early and ship him and his enormous wages out!! What is wring with some of these lads, paid a fortune, molly coddled, hero-worshipped by fans who could only 'dream' of such a lifestyle and they are not prepared to 'work at it'....we now learn that Shaw was continually having fitness problems under MoPo and Roy,,,great bit of business getting £27m for an overrated player who has yet to prove his ability and commitment, We have good committed players in the form of Cork, Davis, Fonte, JWP who are prepared to work their socks of for the team. Ciao, au-revoir, good riddance Tired-er!![/p][/quote]While I concur that we have plenty in the midfield already, I don't find it reassuring that players bought in to make up the numbers for over half of our best players can be ousted so quickly without much game time on the pitch to prove whether or not they are up to the grade. We were told he would be a great addition to the squad, and his 2 appearances were hailed by the manager and fans alike. The timing of his departure couldn't be worse. Right at the end of the transfer window, before we have got any other players in. Time will tell how this will pan out, but at this stage I do have concerns about this season. Our youth players are being expected to plug gaps where we should have proven experience to back them up. Reed stated to judge him in September when the results would speak for themselves. Going by that statement there had better be a win on Saturday.[/p][/quote]Likely score for Saturday 30/8/2014 West Ham United 2 -------- Southampton 1[/p][/quote]Ooopps !!!!!![/p][/quote]don't do the lottery mate florida saint
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9:05pm Sat 30 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Gaz - this is in reply to a post you made earlier. I hope I can explain to your satisfaction if I can't it matters not I've just returned from watching what can only be described as an example of good (not yet great but showing real forward progression from what we feared could have happened given the melt down of the summer) The game forms part of the reply and I think justifies not my opinion but my stance on most things in life (which I've learned through a great many years of making mistakes through not engaging brain and self control first)

And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you? NOPE, MERELY THE ONES WHO JUMP AT THE FIRST THOUGHT IN THEIR HEAD, REACT WHILST IN THE WRONG FRAME OF MIND TO BE LOGICAL AND RATIONAL WITHOUT GATHERING THEIR WITS AND FURTHER INFO -IT NEARLY ALWAYS RESULTS IN A NEGATIVE AS THE SITUATION THEY ARE THEN IN IS THE MOOD THEY BROUGHT INTO THE SITUATION. NOT MY OPINION THAT - THE TRIED AND TESTED OPINIONS OF THE BEST BEHAVIOURAL MODIFICATION SPECIALISTS ALIVE TODAY. BROUGHT OUT BY YEARS OF PRACTICE AND TRIAL AND ERROR.
NOT WANTING TO TEACH MY GRANNY TO SUCK EGGS HERE AND IT'S POSSIBLE MANY KNOW THIS ALREADY UNFORTUNATELY FEW PUT IT INTO PRACTICE (BTW - NOT SHOUTING, IF I KNEW HOW TO DO IT IN ITALICS ON HERE, I WOULD. JUST MAKING IT CLEAR WHICH IS YOUR SUBMISSION AND WHICH IS MINE.) TAKING DEEP BREATHS FLOODS THE BRAIN WITH OXYGEN, IT ALSO GIVES A SHORT MENTAL TIME OUT BUYING A HUMAN TIME TO CONSIDER OTHER OPTIONS/AVENUES OF ACTION. ONCE THE HEAT HAS GONE, THE HEART SLOWED A LITTLE WHAT ISSUES FROM US IS MORE LIKELY TO BE, ON THE BALANCE OF PROBABLE/IMPROBABLE, SAFE/UNSAFE, POSITIVE/NEGATIVE A MORE SENSIBLE AND MORE ACCURATE ASSESSMENT (DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK OF COURSE BUT ON BALANCE IT WORKS FAR MORE OFTEN THAN NOT) NOW THAT'S NOT MY OPINION THAT'S FORMED BY LISTENING TO OTHERS AND THE GOOD ADVICE THEY IMPARTED.

You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions. WHEN OTHERS ARE OFFERING THEIR OPINION, I LISTEN, AS IT FREQUENTLY GIVES ME CAUSE TO RE-ASSESS MY OWN THROUGH CALM LOGICAL ASSESSMENT. WHAT I DO NOT RESPECT AND DESPAIR OF IS THOSE, AND THEY ARE ON HERE, WHO, AT THE FIRST EXCUSE FALL BACK INTO THE OVER-EMOTIONAL ATTACK MODE WHICH IS NOT AN OPINION BUT MERELY AN UNIFORMED ANGRY RESPONSE. THERE IS A HUGE GULF BETWEEN THAT AND AN OPINION.

Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently. TRY NOT TO DO THAT BUT INEVITABLY I WILL FAIL FROM TIME TO TIME. I TRY TO GET MR ANGRY TO QUESTION HIMSELF AND ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AND TO CALM DOWN. ONCE MY PATIENCE GIVES OUT AND BECAUSE I AM NO SAINT OR FONT OF ALL KNOWLEDGE I EVENTUALLY TELL TO SHOVE IT AS IN SAMMY 2 SHEDS AND ALL THE OTHER NAMES HE USES IN HIS COMMENTS FISHING FOR THE OVER EMOTIONAL, MR ANGRIES ON HERE STIRRING THEM UP AGAINST MY CLUB - I'LL TAKE THAT AS SIPP TAKE BUT WHEN THE WUMS ARE JUST AGITATING I QUIETLY AND RATIONALLY ADVISE THEM I'M ON TO THEM AND THEN TELL 'EM TO F--- OFF.
You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation. GUILTY AND MAINLY BECAUSE IT SEEMS IT IS THE SAME OLD CRAP THAT IS TROTTING FROM THE SAME ILLOGICAL STANDPOINT OF PUTTING THE CLUB AND THOSE ASSOCIATED WITH IT DOWN, I POST SO OFTEN BECAUSE I ONLY WORK P/T NOWADAYS AND ENJOY READING SOME OF THE POSTS. NOT AWARE THERE WAS A LIMITATION TO PARTICIPATION OR I WOULD HAVE ASKED WHERE TO BUY THE TOKENS TO LIMIT MYSELF WITH. YOU WILL FIND THERE ARE TRAINS OF CONVERSATION WHERE I HAVE SAID NOWT SIMPLY BECAUSE I'M READING AND DIGESTING THE INFO FROM OTHERS AND DO NOT WISH TO INTERRUPT THAT FLOW.
To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down. AGREED THERE WILL BE DIFFERENCES OF OPINIONS AND I'VE LEARNED A LOT FROM LISTENING TO THOSE IMPARTING INFO I HAVE NOT BEEN PRIVY TO OR HAVE CONSIDERED MYSELF. NOT HERE WITH A VIEW TO PUTTING ANYONE DOWN, THAT IS SOMETIMES COUNTER PRODUCTIVE BUT I WILL NOT HOLD BACK IN ALL SITUATIONS. IF MY DOING SO IN INTERFERING WITH OTHERS ENJOYING THE FORUM THEN I'LL TAKE IT ON BOARD BUT I WILL NOT EASE OFF BECAUSE A T--T IS SUDDENLY OVERCOME WITH A CASE OF PRECIOUS AND SELECTIVELY OPPORTUNISTIC OVERSENSITIVITY.
POINTS ARE TAKEN GAS BUT YOU HAD BETTER PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH AS I DON'T SEE YOU AS A SHRINKING VIOLET ON HERE AND PROBABLY AS VERBOSE AS ME AND SOMETIMES YOU ARE THE NEGATIVE RECORD IS STUCK BLX MERCHANT - DO NOT EXPECT ME OR OTHERS TO BE SILENT WHEN OUR BLX RADAR IS GOING - SRI NOT MADE THAT WAY.
Gaz - this is in reply to a post you made earlier. I hope I can explain to your satisfaction if I can't it matters not I've just returned from watching what can only be described as an example of good (not yet great but showing real forward progression from what we feared could have happened given the melt down of the summer) The game forms part of the reply and I think justifies not my opinion but my stance on most things in life (which I've learned through a great many years of making mistakes through not engaging brain and self control first) And are you suggesting that the ones that ''need to take a couple of deep breaths, step back and engage their brains before they engage their mouths.'' are the one that dare to disagree with you? NOPE, MERELY THE ONES WHO JUMP AT THE FIRST THOUGHT IN THEIR HEAD, REACT WHILST IN THE WRONG FRAME OF MIND TO BE LOGICAL AND RATIONAL WITHOUT GATHERING THEIR WITS AND FURTHER INFO -IT NEARLY ALWAYS RESULTS IN A NEGATIVE AS THE SITUATION THEY ARE THEN IN IS THE MOOD THEY BROUGHT INTO THE SITUATION. NOT MY OPINION THAT - THE TRIED AND TESTED OPINIONS OF THE BEST BEHAVIOURAL MODIFICATION SPECIALISTS ALIVE TODAY. BROUGHT OUT BY YEARS OF PRACTICE AND TRIAL AND ERROR. NOT WANTING TO TEACH MY GRANNY TO SUCK EGGS HERE AND IT'S POSSIBLE MANY KNOW THIS ALREADY UNFORTUNATELY FEW PUT IT INTO PRACTICE (BTW - NOT SHOUTING, IF I KNEW HOW TO DO IT IN ITALICS ON HERE, I WOULD. JUST MAKING IT CLEAR WHICH IS YOUR SUBMISSION AND WHICH IS MINE.) TAKING DEEP BREATHS FLOODS THE BRAIN WITH OXYGEN, IT ALSO GIVES A SHORT MENTAL TIME OUT BUYING A HUMAN TIME TO CONSIDER OTHER OPTIONS/AVENUES OF ACTION. ONCE THE HEAT HAS GONE, THE HEART SLOWED A LITTLE WHAT ISSUES FROM US IS MORE LIKELY TO BE, ON THE BALANCE OF PROBABLE/IMPROBABLE, SAFE/UNSAFE, POSITIVE/NEGATIVE A MORE SENSIBLE AND MORE ACCURATE ASSESSMENT (DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK OF COURSE BUT ON BALANCE IT WORKS FAR MORE OFTEN THAN NOT) NOW THAT'S NOT MY OPINION THAT'S FORMED BY LISTENING TO OTHERS AND THE GOOD ADVICE THEY IMPARTED. You need to take on board what other posters have to say and maybe respect other posters opinions. WHEN OTHERS ARE OFFERING THEIR OPINION, I LISTEN, AS IT FREQUENTLY GIVES ME CAUSE TO RE-ASSESS MY OWN THROUGH CALM LOGICAL ASSESSMENT. WHAT I DO NOT RESPECT AND DESPAIR OF IS THOSE, AND THEY ARE ON HERE, WHO, AT THE FIRST EXCUSE FALL BACK INTO THE OVER-EMOTIONAL ATTACK MODE WHICH IS NOT AN OPINION BUT MERELY AN UNIFORMED ANGRY RESPONSE. THERE IS A HUGE GULF BETWEEN THAT AND AN OPINION. Stop ramming yours down our throats and accept that some might just see things differently. TRY NOT TO DO THAT BUT INEVITABLY I WILL FAIL FROM TIME TO TIME. I TRY TO GET MR ANGRY TO QUESTION HIMSELF AND ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AND TO CALM DOWN. ONCE MY PATIENCE GIVES OUT AND BECAUSE I AM NO SAINT OR FONT OF ALL KNOWLEDGE I EVENTUALLY TELL TO SHOVE IT AS IN SAMMY 2 SHEDS AND ALL THE OTHER NAMES HE USES IN HIS COMMENTS FISHING FOR THE OVER EMOTIONAL, MR ANGRIES ON HERE STIRRING THEM UP AGAINST MY CLUB - I'LL TAKE THAT AS SIPP TAKE BUT WHEN THE WUMS ARE JUST AGITATING I QUIETLY AND RATIONALLY ADVISE THEM I'M ON TO THEM AND THEN TELL 'EM TO F--- OFF. You post so often, spouting the same old snit that you think you might just get us all to agree..... sorry JLS everybody is entitled to make their own minds up about our current situation. GUILTY AND MAINLY BECAUSE IT SEEMS IT IS THE SAME OLD CRAP THAT IS TROTTING FROM THE SAME ILLOGICAL STANDPOINT OF PUTTING THE CLUB AND THOSE ASSOCIATED WITH IT DOWN, I POST SO OFTEN BECAUSE I ONLY WORK P/T NOWADAYS AND ENJOY READING SOME OF THE POSTS. NOT AWARE THERE WAS A LIMITATION TO PARTICIPATION OR I WOULD HAVE ASKED WHERE TO BUY THE TOKENS TO LIMIT MYSELF WITH. YOU WILL FIND THERE ARE TRAINS OF CONVERSATION WHERE I HAVE SAID NOWT SIMPLY BECAUSE I'M READING AND DIGESTING THE INFO FROM OTHERS AND DO NOT WISH TO INTERRUPT THAT FLOW. To debate you need different views, and that is what we have, but if you continue to abuse those that think something is still wrong we will disappear and you'll have no one left to put down. AGREED THERE WILL BE DIFFERENCES OF OPINIONS AND I'VE LEARNED A LOT FROM LISTENING TO THOSE IMPARTING INFO I HAVE NOT BEEN PRIVY TO OR HAVE CONSIDERED MYSELF. NOT HERE WITH A VIEW TO PUTTING ANYONE DOWN, THAT IS SOMETIMES COUNTER PRODUCTIVE BUT I WILL NOT HOLD BACK IN ALL SITUATIONS. IF MY DOING SO IN INTERFERING WITH OTHERS ENJOYING THE FORUM THEN I'LL TAKE IT ON BOARD BUT I WILL NOT EASE OFF BECAUSE A T--T IS SUDDENLY OVERCOME WITH A CASE OF PRECIOUS AND SELECTIVELY OPPORTUNISTIC OVERSENSITIVITY. POINTS ARE TAKEN GAS BUT YOU HAD BETTER PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH AS I DON'T SEE YOU AS A SHRINKING VIOLET ON HERE AND PROBABLY AS VERBOSE AS ME AND SOMETIMES YOU ARE THE NEGATIVE RECORD IS STUCK BLX MERCHANT - DO NOT EXPECT ME OR OTHERS TO BE SILENT WHEN OUR BLX RADAR IS GOING - SRI NOT MADE THAT WAY. jls217
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9:44pm Sat 30 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

one in the crowd wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Who in gods name is head of scouting and recruitment .....?
How much has this person cost us both in money and now time?

Surely any level headed fan on here can no longer defend this buffoon.

Hurry up and clear your desk Les, before it's too late.
At last, somebody talk some sense ! ! !
Well it isn't you, it definitely isn't costa cough drop, so enlighten us on who that might be?
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Who in gods name is head of scouting and recruitment .....? How much has this person cost us both in money and now time? Surely any level headed fan on here can no longer defend this buffoon. Hurry up and clear your desk Les, before it's too late.[/p][/quote]At last, somebody talk some sense ! ! ![/p][/quote]Well it isn't you, it definitely isn't costa cough drop, so enlighten us on who that might be? OSPREYSAINT
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12:25am Sun 31 Aug 14

Beer Monster says...

fascia123 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
Wembley76 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
A Les Reed choice?
Reed and the team will identify and attract players...the boss will make the final decision. This is a bit of a 'one off'....we weren't focussed on Tired-er, but we did want to offload Osvaldo.....probably Tired-guy was the only option...we tried him, he doesn't hit the standards the manager has set, so we have off-loaded him and his wages...pretty good business...which enables us to look for other options...the good news is that we did not buy him...so there is no real risk here....I still expect some activity in the next 72 hours, but if not, we still have a good looking squad and will keep Corkie and Ramires.....
Wow, I only had to read 20 posts before the first rational one. Not bad. We haven't spent out on this guy, it was a bonus as part of getting shot of Osvaldo and it didn't work out. No big deal. In fact it is good news because it suggests the training is hard - as it should be.
Well said only 20 posts must be a record.

God I despair logging on sometimes, supporters well if I owned the club I am not sure I would give some on here a membership.

I sometimes wonder if owner, manager, players, potential players read any of this, god knows what they would think, perhaps some of the carp that gets shovelled forward about the board the owner would make targets think twice, manager wonder what he had got himself into and owner consider selling.

I can't get into firing down the ridiculous points that are put forward, those that delve back in the past to substantiate a point and then when you quote the past you need to move forward.

A lot of good people log on with a diversity of opinions, all clearly love the club and I know I could well be accused of firmly being in the rose tinted brigade, however, some I have never seen post a well done, a it's going in the right direction, pleasantly surprised or the future looks bright.

FFS if you really are supporters support the saints, the players, the manager, the board and the owner or before to long you might just get your wishes and the wrongly accused team may just say fu?k it and ship out.
This. Just scrolling through this thread after a long day (been shopping with the missus), looks like I'll have to leave the match thread until the morning...
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: A Les Reed choice?[/p][/quote]Reed and the team will identify and attract players...the boss will make the final decision. This is a bit of a 'one off'....we weren't focussed on Tired-er, but we did want to offload Osvaldo.....probably Tired-guy was the only option...we tried him, he doesn't hit the standards the manager has set, so we have off-loaded him and his wages...pretty good business...which enables us to look for other options...the good news is that we did not buy him...so there is no real risk here....I still expect some activity in the next 72 hours, but if not, we still have a good looking squad and will keep Corkie and Ramires.....[/p][/quote]Wow, I only had to read 20 posts before the first rational one. Not bad. We haven't spent out on this guy, it was a bonus as part of getting shot of Osvaldo and it didn't work out. No big deal. In fact it is good news because it suggests the training is hard - as it should be.[/p][/quote]Well said only 20 posts must be a record. God I despair logging on sometimes, supporters well if I owned the club I am not sure I would give some on here a membership. I sometimes wonder if owner, manager, players, potential players read any of this, god knows what they would think, perhaps some of the carp that gets shovelled forward about the board the owner would make targets think twice, manager wonder what he had got himself into and owner consider selling. I can't get into firing down the ridiculous points that are put forward, those that delve back in the past to substantiate a point and then when you quote the past you need to move forward. A lot of good people log on with a diversity of opinions, all clearly love the club and I know I could well be accused of firmly being in the rose tinted brigade, however, some I have never seen post a well done, a it's going in the right direction, pleasantly surprised or the future looks bright. FFS if you really are supporters support the saints, the players, the manager, the board and the owner or before to long you might just get your wishes and the wrongly accused team may just say fu?k it and ship out.[/p][/quote]This. Just scrolling through this thread after a long day (been shopping with the missus), looks like I'll have to leave the match thread until the morning... Beer Monster
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11:08am Sun 31 Aug 14

BAKER1965 says...

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http://r.search.yaho o.com/_ylt=A9mSs3X37 wJUUCsAp7xLBQx.;_ylu =X3oDMTE0aGw0dHU5BHN lYwNzcgRwb3MDOARjb2x vA2lyMgR2dGlkA1ZJUFV LMTNfMQ--/RV=2/RE=14 09507447/RO=10/RU=ht tp%3a%2f%2ffootballb urp.com%2fmagazine%2 ftop-10-veronica-gra f-photos%2f/RK=0/RS= msjXOwH18QAvMKICftRh OqEJj1M- Probably not happy Balotelli has moved back to England if the above story is true. BAKER1965
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11:43am Sun 31 Aug 14

deepheat says...

Oh well it could be worse.
At least Les Reed and his international talent scouts missed Konstantinos Mitroglou.
Joined for £12.4m from Olympiakos On 31 January 2014.
Played in only two Premier League matches for Fulham.
Sun Aug 31, 2014 re-join Olympiakos on loan.
Oh well it could be worse. At least Les Reed and his international talent scouts missed Konstantinos Mitroglou. Joined for £12.4m from Olympiakos On 31 January 2014. Played in only two Premier League matches for Fulham. Sun Aug 31, 2014 re-join Olympiakos on loan. deepheat
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9:27pm Sun 31 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
3 days left to fill in the gaps, and they are letting him go..... I'm sorry but this is a mistake, and a waste of time and resources from the time the deal was made to get him here until now. We could have signed players in much needed cover positions rather than entertained Taider's hiatus to England.
Kiwi,

Not a mistake to let him go.

The mistake was to bring him here.

I am completely amazed that we epect young men to move from their own environment to a completely foreign one.

I know a lot do but I would posit that a 50% success rate was probably quite fair

Noted thecomments that Tin-Tin wasn;t overly impressed plus the fact that he was a loanee and it really becomes a simple decision.
You also raise a good point. While Koeman is undoubtably an astute manager, one would assume that a transfer that had been at the club for 23 days from a completely different league would have been granted the same respect that Pelle and Tadic would be receiving trying to fit in with the club and the PL. Unless he is utter shyte. Reports from the games he has played in counter that theory. I mean, Shane Long, a PL proven striker has had more game time and hasn't even scored a goal yet! At least Taider scored in the under 21's game.
Kiwi you are missing the most important point in all of your posts. He doesn't want to be here because he cant handle the training and physical side of the English game!
It may have been a waste of time to bring him here but how would the club know that?
He settled in when he moved from France to italy with no problems, so what was there to suggest he wouldn't fit in here?
If he isn't up to playing in England then keeping him here would be a bigger mistake than signing him.
I don't care how well hes done in the development squad, it isn't the same standard a the prem!
I think this says a he'll of a lot more about the player than it does about the club. The club haven't lost anything by bringing him in on loan but could have lost millions if we had brought him. Had we brought him, as many wanted (because they didn't like loans), we would be stuck with a player we wouldn't have played and would be looking to loan him out. As it is he is winter's problem.
Sure the development squad isn't the same level as the PL but how can it be proven that he couldn't handle the physical aspect of the Premier League when he hasn't even played a game? As for the training that is Koeman's call and possibly a good one. But I didn't see anywhere in the article that he couldn't handle the training, just that Koeman wasn't impressed with him in training. I think that Taider left because he knew he was going to be benched here as well and didn't want that. If Loanees are a known risk to begin with, and hasn't cost us any money, then why have the club been waiting so long to get in the much needed players in other positions? Why not prioritise and fill the gaps where they are most needed to be filled before taking a chance on a central midfielder that we did not really need to begin with?
As stated in my last post, the real reason Taider left was confirmed.

http://forzaitalianf
ootball.com/2014/08/
koeman-i-couldnt-gua
rantee-taider-space-
at-southampton/

True, we can live without him, with the plethora of midfielders we had, I just can't understand why we took him in the first place. This bollx about him not handling the training was just a sideshow. If I was benched in my previous club for as long as he was, and looking at the same scenario in a different club, I don't blame him for wanting to leave. However I am disappointed that he wasn't given more game time to discover whether or not he could have helped take the team to another level.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: 3 days left to fill in the gaps, and they are letting him go..... I'm sorry but this is a mistake, and a waste of time and resources from the time the deal was made to get him here until now. We could have signed players in much needed cover positions rather than entertained Taider's hiatus to England.[/p][/quote]Kiwi, Not a mistake to let him go. The mistake was to bring him here. I am completely amazed that we epect young men to move from their own environment to a completely foreign one. I know a lot do but I would posit that a 50% success rate was probably quite fair Noted thecomments that Tin-Tin wasn;t overly impressed plus the fact that he was a loanee and it really becomes a simple decision.[/p][/quote]You also raise a good point. While Koeman is undoubtably an astute manager, one would assume that a transfer that had been at the club for 23 days from a completely different league would have been granted the same respect that Pelle and Tadic would be receiving trying to fit in with the club and the PL. Unless he is utter shyte. Reports from the games he has played in counter that theory. I mean, Shane Long, a PL proven striker has had more game time and hasn't even scored a goal yet! At least Taider scored in the under 21's game.[/p][/quote]Kiwi you are missing the most important point in all of your posts. He doesn't want to be here because he cant handle the training and physical side of the English game! It may have been a waste of time to bring him here but how would the club know that? He settled in when he moved from France to italy with no problems, so what was there to suggest he wouldn't fit in here? If he isn't up to playing in England then keeping him here would be a bigger mistake than signing him. I don't care how well hes done in the development squad, it isn't the same standard a the prem! I think this says a he'll of a lot more about the player than it does about the club. The club haven't lost anything by bringing him in on loan but could have lost millions if we had brought him. Had we brought him, as many wanted (because they didn't like loans), we would be stuck with a player we wouldn't have played and would be looking to loan him out. As it is he is winter's problem.[/p][/quote]Sure the development squad isn't the same level as the PL but how can it be proven that he couldn't handle the physical aspect of the Premier League when he hasn't even played a game? As for the training that is Koeman's call and possibly a good one. But I didn't see anywhere in the article that he couldn't handle the training, just that Koeman wasn't impressed with him in training. I think that Taider left because he knew he was going to be benched here as well and didn't want that. If Loanees are a known risk to begin with, and hasn't cost us any money, then why have the club been waiting so long to get in the much needed players in other positions? Why not prioritise and fill the gaps where they are most needed to be filled before taking a chance on a central midfielder that we did not really need to begin with?[/p][/quote]As stated in my last post, the real reason Taider left was confirmed. http://forzaitalianf ootball.com/2014/08/ koeman-i-couldnt-gua rantee-taider-space- at-southampton/ True, we can live without him, with the plethora of midfielders we had, I just can't understand why we took him in the first place. This bollx about him not handling the training was just a sideshow. If I was benched in my previous club for as long as he was, and looking at the same scenario in a different club, I don't blame him for wanting to leave. However I am disappointed that he wasn't given more game time to discover whether or not he could have helped take the team to another level. KiwiSaint74
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11:26am Mon 8 Sep 14

lowe esteem says...

I've just put another tenner into Frannie's Run -different class, and helps to erase the bad taste.
Keep going St Francis!
I've just put another tenner into Frannie's Run -different class, and helps to erase the bad taste. Keep going St Francis! lowe esteem
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