Southampton submit their squad list to the Premier League

Toby Alderweireld - a new name on Saints' squad list

Toby Alderweireld - a new name on Saints' squad list

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Saints have submitted their squad list to the Premier League, following the close of the transfer window.

Clubs had until 5pm yesterday to hand in their lists, which can feature a maximum of 25 players.

They must also contain no more than 17 players who do not meet the 'home grown' criteria.

A 'home grown' player is classified as someone who, irrespective of age or nationality, has been registered with any club affiliated to the FA or the FA of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21).

Saints have 20 players in total on their squad list, with only 11 of those not counted as 'home grown'.

Clubs can supplement their lists with as many under-21 players as they like, with Saints having a pool of 41 to call on in that respect.

Changes to the squad list can be made during the next transfer window.

SAINTS SQUAD LIST
Alderweireld, Toby Albertine
*Bertrand, Ryan
Boruc, Artur
*Clyne, Nathaniel Edwin
*Cork, Jack Frank Porteous
*Davis, Kelvin Geoffery
*Davis, Steven
Fonte, Jose Miguel
*Forster, Fraser Gerard
Gardos, Florin
Gazzaniga, Paulo Dino
*Long, Shane Patrick
Mane, Sadio
Mayuka, Emmanuel
Pelle, Graziano
*Rodriguez, Jay Enriqus
*Schneiderlin, Morgan
Tadic, Dusan
Wanyama, Victor
Yoshida, Maya

*denotes home grown

Under-21 players (contract and scholars)
Bakary, Mohamed Richard
Barnes, Marcus Thomas
Britt, William David
Clinton, Kyle
Cook, Oliver David Paul
Cropper, Cody Joseph
Deasy, Colm
Debayo, Joshua Akinkunmi
Demkiv, Daniel Steven
Flannigan, Jake
Gallagher, Samuel James
Gape, Dominic Edward
Hallett, Jake
Hesketh, Jake Alexander
Irvine, Mark Joshua
Isgrove, Lloyd Jeffrey
Isted, Harvey James Duke
Johns, Christopher Patrick Adam
Jones, Alfie
Kayembe, Carel
Lea, Joseph William
Little, Armani
Mason, Niall Aadya
McCarthy, Jason Sean
McQueen, Samuel James
Mells, George John
Mugabi, Bevis Kristofer Kizito
Olomola, Olufela
Reed, Harrison James
Regis, Christopher
Rowe, Omar Reiss
Seager, Ryan Paul
Sims, Joshua Samuel
Sinclair, Jake Tony
Stephens, Jack
Targett, Matthew Robert
Turnbull, Jordan Robert
Ward-Prowse, James Michael Edward
Wilkin, Stuart John
Willard, Harley Bryn
Wood, William Nicholas

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9:58am Thu 4 Sep 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Jack Frank Porteous Cork, some one taking the pith?
Jack Frank Porteous Cork, some one taking the pith? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 33

10:01am Thu 4 Sep 14

warrens 76 says...

All supporters of all the buying clubs believe their signings are the best and we are no different, truth is for every star turn there will be more failures so some caution in our expectations is necessary.

Nonetheless because we have a certain playing style from youth up which of itself was based on the original Ajax system I think our team will work better than many others.
All supporters of all the buying clubs believe their signings are the best and we are no different, truth is for every star turn there will be more failures so some caution in our expectations is necessary. Nonetheless because we have a certain playing style from youth up which of itself was based on the original Ajax system I think our team will work better than many others. warrens 76
  • Score: 29

10:24am Thu 4 Sep 14

davelope says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Jack Frank Porteous Cork, some one taking the pith?
yes, Alan Cork...
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Jack Frank Porteous Cork, some one taking the pith?[/p][/quote]yes, Alan Cork... davelope
  • Score: 20

10:56am Thu 4 Sep 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Only 20, so room for more in January to fill the positions that we will need.

Hopefully Taider was the only mistake and that all the other new players will fit in and prove to be good enough, however experience shows that some may not be.

Given the chaotic transfer window I do believe that if all the new players come good then we do have a better team and squad than last season. Especially keeping Morgan, Jay & Jack 'Porteous' Cork.

My only regrets are:-
1. Selling Chambers
2. Selling Chambers too cheaply
3. Why we sold all the other four top players - could do with explanation from the Directors as to why each one was agreed to go.
4. Possibly paying too much for Shane long.
5. Why Toby A is only on a one year Loan.

COYS
Only 20, so room for more in January to fill the positions that we will need. Hopefully Taider was the only mistake and that all the other new players will fit in and prove to be good enough, however experience shows that some may not be. Given the chaotic transfer window I do believe that if all the new players come good then we do have a better team and squad than last season. Especially keeping Morgan, Jay & Jack 'Porteous' Cork. My only regrets are:- 1. Selling Chambers 2. Selling Chambers too cheaply 3. Why we sold all the other four top players - could do with explanation from the Directors as to why each one was agreed to go. 4. Possibly paying too much for Shane long. 5. Why Toby A is only on a one year Loan. COYS NC Fan4Life
  • Score: -65

11:17am Thu 4 Sep 14

Wembley76 says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
Only 20, so room for more in January to fill the positions that we will need.

Hopefully Taider was the only mistake and that all the other new players will fit in and prove to be good enough, however experience shows that some may not be.

Given the chaotic transfer window I do believe that if all the new players come good then we do have a better team and squad than last season. Especially keeping Morgan, Jay & Jack 'Porteous' Cork.

My only regrets are:-
1. Selling Chambers
2. Selling Chambers too cheaply
3. Why we sold all the other four top players - could do with explanation from the Directors as to why each one was agreed to go.
4. Possibly paying too much for Shane long.
5. Why Toby A is only on a one year Loan.

COYS
1. Clyne is the obvious #1 especially in terms of going forward with pace
2. 16m for an unproven / tested player is a v good price....and a gamble that may or not pay off - Wayne Bridge or Gareth Bale??
3. Lambert - good price for a player who has done a great job but is now struggling (his end of season was not spectacular) Lallana is really not worth the money and will be 'found out' this season. Shaw - impossible to turn away £27m for a full back. Lovren - again good money. But at the end of the day, most had decided they wanted out many months ago...better to have those who are committed and remove the 'cancer'
4. Who knows, you could be right, but if her creates a partnership with Pelle and they score 20 between them it will be money well spent. No defenders like playing against Long 'buzzing' around.
5, Good point, but it was the terms we could negotiate in the face of competition from other BPL clubs...which we won!
Overall good business and a stronger deeper squad of people who want to play for RonKo
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Only 20, so room for more in January to fill the positions that we will need. Hopefully Taider was the only mistake and that all the other new players will fit in and prove to be good enough, however experience shows that some may not be. Given the chaotic transfer window I do believe that if all the new players come good then we do have a better team and squad than last season. Especially keeping Morgan, Jay & Jack 'Porteous' Cork. My only regrets are:- 1. Selling Chambers 2. Selling Chambers too cheaply 3. Why we sold all the other four top players - could do with explanation from the Directors as to why each one was agreed to go. 4. Possibly paying too much for Shane long. 5. Why Toby A is only on a one year Loan. COYS[/p][/quote]1. Clyne is the obvious #1 especially in terms of going forward with pace 2. 16m for an unproven / tested player is a v good price....and a gamble that may or not pay off - Wayne Bridge or Gareth Bale?? 3. Lambert - good price for a player who has done a great job but is now struggling (his end of season was not spectacular) Lallana is really not worth the money and will be 'found out' this season. Shaw - impossible to turn away £27m for a full back. Lovren - again good money. But at the end of the day, most had decided they wanted out many months ago...better to have those who are committed and remove the 'cancer' 4. Who knows, you could be right, but if her creates a partnership with Pelle and they score 20 between them it will be money well spent. No defenders like playing against Long 'buzzing' around. 5, Good point, but it was the terms we could negotiate in the face of competition from other BPL clubs...which we won! Overall good business and a stronger deeper squad of people who want to play for RonKo Wembley76
  • Score: 54

11:27am Thu 4 Sep 14

Wembley76 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Jack Frank Porteous Cork, some one taking the pith?
So that's why he doesn't have a contract yet....the girls in the office can't type out his name without 'splitting their sides' and falling off their perches!! :) Poor guy....what was his dad thinking about....Capt John Porteous was lynched by a mob of angry Scots in 1736....maybe Alan should be lynched for burdening his son with such lifelong embarrassment :)
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Jack Frank Porteous Cork, some one taking the pith?[/p][/quote]So that's why he doesn't have a contract yet....the girls in the office can't type out his name without 'splitting their sides' and falling off their perches!! :) Poor guy....what was his dad thinking about....Capt John Porteous was lynched by a mob of angry Scots in 1736....maybe Alan should be lynched for burdening his son with such lifelong embarrassment :) Wembley76
  • Score: 4

11:29am Thu 4 Sep 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Jack Frank Porteous Cork, some one taking the pith?
Seedhouse the Unrepentant?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Jack Frank Porteous Cork, some one taking the pith?[/p][/quote]Seedhouse the Unrepentant? george chivers
  • Score: 11

11:31am Thu 4 Sep 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Jack Frank Porteous Cork, some one taking the pith?
Seedhouse the Unrepentant? There's two people doing it.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Jack Frank Porteous Cork, some one taking the pith?[/p][/quote]Seedhouse the Unrepentant? There's two people doing it. george chivers
  • Score: 5

11:50am Thu 4 Sep 14

miltonnroad76 says...

Wembley76 wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Only 20, so room for more in January to fill the positions that we will need.

Hopefully Taider was the only mistake and that all the other new players will fit in and prove to be good enough, however experience shows that some may not be.

Given the chaotic transfer window I do believe that if all the new players come good then we do have a better team and squad than last season. Especially keeping Morgan, Jay & Jack 'Porteous' Cork.

My only regrets are:-
1. Selling Chambers
2. Selling Chambers too cheaply
3. Why we sold all the other four top players - could do with explanation from the Directors as to why each one was agreed to go.
4. Possibly paying too much for Shane long.
5. Why Toby A is only on a one year Loan.

COYS
1. Clyne is the obvious #1 especially in terms of going forward with pace
2. 16m for an unproven / tested player is a v good price....and a gamble that may or not pay off - Wayne Bridge or Gareth Bale??
3. Lambert - good price for a player who has done a great job but is now struggling (his end of season was not spectacular) Lallana is really not worth the money and will be 'found out' this season. Shaw - impossible to turn away £27m for a full back. Lovren - again good money. But at the end of the day, most had decided they wanted out many months ago...better to have those who are committed and remove the 'cancer'
4. Who knows, you could be right, but if her creates a partnership with Pelle and they score 20 between them it will be money well spent. No defenders like playing against Long 'buzzing' around.
5, Good point, but it was the terms we could negotiate in the face of competition from other BPL clubs...which we won!
Overall good business and a stronger deeper squad of people who want to play for RonKo
well we have the option to buy toby and bertrand at end of season so no problem there..leaves us 30 mill in credit if we need in january,then can use next seasons tv money for those two.
[quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Only 20, so room for more in January to fill the positions that we will need. Hopefully Taider was the only mistake and that all the other new players will fit in and prove to be good enough, however experience shows that some may not be. Given the chaotic transfer window I do believe that if all the new players come good then we do have a better team and squad than last season. Especially keeping Morgan, Jay & Jack 'Porteous' Cork. My only regrets are:- 1. Selling Chambers 2. Selling Chambers too cheaply 3. Why we sold all the other four top players - could do with explanation from the Directors as to why each one was agreed to go. 4. Possibly paying too much for Shane long. 5. Why Toby A is only on a one year Loan. COYS[/p][/quote]1. Clyne is the obvious #1 especially in terms of going forward with pace 2. 16m for an unproven / tested player is a v good price....and a gamble that may or not pay off - Wayne Bridge or Gareth Bale?? 3. Lambert - good price for a player who has done a great job but is now struggling (his end of season was not spectacular) Lallana is really not worth the money and will be 'found out' this season. Shaw - impossible to turn away £27m for a full back. Lovren - again good money. But at the end of the day, most had decided they wanted out many months ago...better to have those who are committed and remove the 'cancer' 4. Who knows, you could be right, but if her creates a partnership with Pelle and they score 20 between them it will be money well spent. No defenders like playing against Long 'buzzing' around. 5, Good point, but it was the terms we could negotiate in the face of competition from other BPL clubs...which we won! Overall good business and a stronger deeper squad of people who want to play for RonKo[/p][/quote]well we have the option to buy toby and bertrand at end of season so no problem there..leaves us 30 mill in credit if we need in january,then can use next seasons tv money for those two. miltonnroad76
  • Score: 11

12:34pm Thu 4 Sep 14

damoose says...

J-rod Tadic and Saido if all three hit form ohmygoodness its scary
J-rod Tadic and Saido if all three hit form ohmygoodness its scary damoose
  • Score: 16

12:38pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Stokesofdublin says...

If 'home grown' means British, Shane Long most certainly should not have an asterix. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK.
If 'home grown' means British, Shane Long most certainly should not have an asterix. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK. Stokesofdublin
  • Score: 7

12:50pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Churchill Saint says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
Only 20, so room for more in January to fill the positions that we will need.

Hopefully Taider was the only mistake and that all the other new players will fit in and prove to be good enough, however experience shows that some may not be.

Given the chaotic transfer window I do believe that if all the new players come good then we do have a better team and squad than last season. Especially keeping Morgan, Jay & Jack 'Porteous' Cork.

My only regrets are:-
1. Selling Chambers
2. Selling Chambers too cheaply
3. Why we sold all the other four top players - could do with explanation from the Directors as to why each one was agreed to go.
4. Possibly paying too much for Shane long.
5. Why Toby A is only on a one year Loan.

COYS
i think loan with option to buy is a WIN WIN for the buying club. It's like 'try before you buy'. If you like the player, you can take up the option to buy him at the pre-agreed price. If you don't like him you can send him back. I guess also, if you like him but not enough to pay the pre-agreed price, you can decide not to take up the option, but still try to buy him in the normal way. Can't see see it as a negative (unless we are the selling club - e.g. Oswaldo).
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Only 20, so room for more in January to fill the positions that we will need. Hopefully Taider was the only mistake and that all the other new players will fit in and prove to be good enough, however experience shows that some may not be. Given the chaotic transfer window I do believe that if all the new players come good then we do have a better team and squad than last season. Especially keeping Morgan, Jay & Jack 'Porteous' Cork. My only regrets are:- 1. Selling Chambers 2. Selling Chambers too cheaply 3. Why we sold all the other four top players - could do with explanation from the Directors as to why each one was agreed to go. 4. Possibly paying too much for Shane long. 5. Why Toby A is only on a one year Loan. COYS[/p][/quote]i think loan with option to buy is a WIN WIN for the buying club. It's like 'try before you buy'. If you like the player, you can take up the option to buy him at the pre-agreed price. If you don't like him you can send him back. I guess also, if you like him but not enough to pay the pre-agreed price, you can decide not to take up the option, but still try to buy him in the normal way. Can't see see it as a negative (unless we are the selling club - e.g. Oswaldo). Churchill Saint
  • Score: 5

12:50pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Chipmonk1 says...

Stokesofdublin wrote:
If 'home grown' means British, Shane Long most certainly should not have an asterix. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK.
Read the article again and then look at your post.
[quote][p][bold]Stokesofdublin[/bold] wrote: If 'home grown' means British, Shane Long most certainly should not have an asterix. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK.[/p][/quote]Read the article again and then look at your post. Chipmonk1
  • Score: 23

12:53pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Churchill Saint says...

davelope wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Jack Frank Porteous Cork, some one taking the pith?
yes, Alan Cork...
this is very worrying. Literal Latin translation of Porteous is "East Port". I hope this is not referring to a certain port on the East side of Hampshire!
[quote][p][bold]davelope[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Jack Frank Porteous Cork, some one taking the pith?[/p][/quote]yes, Alan Cork...[/p][/quote]this is very worrying. Literal Latin translation of Porteous is "East Port". I hope this is not referring to a certain port on the East side of Hampshire! Churchill Saint
  • Score: 1

1:20pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Big Mac says...

Stokesofdublin wrote:
If 'home grown' means British, Shane Long most certainly should not have an asterix. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK.
I've seen a few of his skills, but never his asterix!
[quote][p][bold]Stokesofdublin[/bold] wrote: If 'home grown' means British, Shane Long most certainly should not have an asterix. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK.[/p][/quote]I've seen a few of his skills, but never his asterix! Big Mac
  • Score: 1

1:22pm Thu 4 Sep 14

fascia123 says...

Sky sports football reports

England's soggy display against Norway proved a turn-off to television viewers with audience figures showing almost four million more people chose to watch the Great British Bake-Off than Roy Hodgson's men labour to victory.

Would we be better off with Mary Berry as manager and Paul Hollywood replacing Wayne Rooney?
Sky sports football reports England's soggy display against Norway proved a turn-off to television viewers with audience figures showing almost four million more people chose to watch the Great British Bake-Off than Roy Hodgson's men labour to victory. Would we be better off with Mary Berry as manager and Paul Hollywood replacing Wayne Rooney? fascia123
  • Score: 6

1:38pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Ozmosis says...

fascia123 wrote:
Sky sports football reports

England's soggy display against Norway proved a turn-off to television viewers with audience figures showing almost four million more people chose to watch the Great British Bake-Off than Roy Hodgson's men labour to victory.

Would we be better off with Mary Berry as manager and Paul Hollywood replacing Wayne Rooney?
It would have more appeal than last night's match did... I watched 20 minutes or so of Ingerland and by then had gouged my eyes out with despair
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Sky sports football reports England's soggy display against Norway proved a turn-off to television viewers with audience figures showing almost four million more people chose to watch the Great British Bake-Off than Roy Hodgson's men labour to victory. Would we be better off with Mary Berry as manager and Paul Hollywood replacing Wayne Rooney?[/p][/quote]It would have more appeal than last night's match did... I watched 20 minutes or so of Ingerland and by then had gouged my eyes out with despair Ozmosis
  • Score: 7

1:40pm Thu 4 Sep 14

milton road says...

No the loan deals are not a win win or good thinking by the club. They are actually probably in place because the two players concerned did not want to sign a permanent contract with us. In other words have put themselves in the shop window because they are struggling with the clubs they are at to get first team football.
We have first option that means if the player wants to come, if Arsenal or Liverpool are in the back ground he can just say thanks Saints, no thanks, and there is nothing we can do and we get nothing for them and lose them. That is the reality of a loan deal with option to buy.
Toby was in a European Cup squad but struggling to get in the first team, that was why Koeman said it was 'unrealistic' for us to get him permanently. Yet he wanted to play and be seen so we got the loan, Arsenal and Newcastle missed out.
Bertrand is quality and is proving it, we have noticed no real difference or loss of form along our left side with him and Tadic playing together. Instead of Shaw and Lallana.
The bottom line Saints have to achieve European football to keep either of them and Schneiderlin and Rodriguez. If Koeman can achieve that very high target in some form I think they will stay.
Its a very tough ask.
No the loan deals are not a win win or good thinking by the club. They are actually probably in place because the two players concerned did not want to sign a permanent contract with us. In other words have put themselves in the shop window because they are struggling with the clubs they are at to get first team football. We have first option that means if the player wants to come, if Arsenal or Liverpool are in the back ground he can just say thanks Saints, no thanks, and there is nothing we can do and we get nothing for them and lose them. That is the reality of a loan deal with option to buy. Toby was in a European Cup squad but struggling to get in the first team, that was why Koeman said it was 'unrealistic' for us to get him permanently. Yet he wanted to play and be seen so we got the loan, Arsenal and Newcastle missed out. Bertrand is quality and is proving it, we have noticed no real difference or loss of form along our left side with him and Tadic playing together. Instead of Shaw and Lallana. The bottom line Saints have to achieve European football to keep either of them and Schneiderlin and Rodriguez. If Koeman can achieve that very high target in some form I think they will stay. Its a very tough ask. milton road
  • Score: -2

1:51pm Thu 4 Sep 14

nomorerumours says...

Stokesofdublin wrote:
If 'home grown' means British, Shane Long most certainly should not have an asterix. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK.
It's not part of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it's not part of the United Kingdom but it is a significant part of the British Isles. With so many Irish footballers playing in the English, Scottish and Welsh leagues, the wider definition has been accepted as the standard yardstick for "homegrown" players. The same applies in Rugby Union, with the Triple Crown including the "home nations" of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales (in alpha order!) with one team wining over the other three (hence "triple"). France and Italy only included in the 6 nations and for the Grand Slam. Anyway, why worry about a technicality? We have an overall squad of 61 including the under 21s with talent, quality and huge potential throughout and the management structure and training facilities to support it all. Great times ahead
[quote][p][bold]Stokesofdublin[/bold] wrote: If 'home grown' means British, Shane Long most certainly should not have an asterix. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK.[/p][/quote]It's not part of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it's not part of the United Kingdom but it is a significant part of the British Isles. With so many Irish footballers playing in the English, Scottish and Welsh leagues, the wider definition has been accepted as the standard yardstick for "homegrown" players. The same applies in Rugby Union, with the Triple Crown including the "home nations" of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales (in alpha order!) with one team wining over the other three (hence "triple"). France and Italy only included in the 6 nations and for the Grand Slam. Anyway, why worry about a technicality? We have an overall squad of 61 including the under 21s with talent, quality and huge potential throughout and the management structure and training facilities to support it all. Great times ahead nomorerumours
  • Score: 4

1:56pm Thu 4 Sep 14

nomorerumours says...

nomorerumours wrote:
Stokesofdublin wrote:
If 'home grown' means British, Shane Long most certainly should not have an asterix. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK.
It's not part of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it's not part of the United Kingdom but it is a significant part of the British Isles. With so many Irish footballers playing in the English, Scottish and Welsh leagues, the wider definition has been accepted as the standard yardstick for "homegrown" players. The same applies in Rugby Union, with the Triple Crown including the "home nations" of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales (in alpha order!) with one team wining over the other three (hence "triple"). France and Italy only included in the 6 nations and for the Grand Slam. Anyway, why worry about a technicality? We have an overall squad of 61 including the under 21s with talent, quality and huge potential throughout and the management structure and training facilities to support it all. Great times ahead
I mean winning not wining - which I never do except for a nice bottle of Chablis or Merlot and not whining - some of you may just have noticed that I tend to be slightly positive!
[quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stokesofdublin[/bold] wrote: If 'home grown' means British, Shane Long most certainly should not have an asterix. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK.[/p][/quote]It's not part of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it's not part of the United Kingdom but it is a significant part of the British Isles. With so many Irish footballers playing in the English, Scottish and Welsh leagues, the wider definition has been accepted as the standard yardstick for "homegrown" players. The same applies in Rugby Union, with the Triple Crown including the "home nations" of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales (in alpha order!) with one team wining over the other three (hence "triple"). France and Italy only included in the 6 nations and for the Grand Slam. Anyway, why worry about a technicality? We have an overall squad of 61 including the under 21s with talent, quality and huge potential throughout and the management structure and training facilities to support it all. Great times ahead[/p][/quote]I mean winning not wining - which I never do except for a nice bottle of Chablis or Merlot and not whining - some of you may just have noticed that I tend to be slightly positive! nomorerumours
  • Score: 2

1:56pm Thu 4 Sep 14

jls217 says...

Churchill Saint wrote:
davelope wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Jack Frank Porteous Cork, some one taking the pith?
yes, Alan Cork...
this is very worrying. Literal Latin translation of Porteous is "East Port". I hope this is not referring to a certain port on the East side of Hampshire!
Off with his head. No precaution is too great!
[quote][p][bold]Churchill Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davelope[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Jack Frank Porteous Cork, some one taking the pith?[/p][/quote]yes, Alan Cork...[/p][/quote]this is very worrying. Literal Latin translation of Porteous is "East Port". I hope this is not referring to a certain port on the East side of Hampshire![/p][/quote]Off with his head. No precaution is too great! jls217
  • Score: 1

2:00pm Thu 4 Sep 14

jls217 says...

Stokesofdublin wrote:
If 'home grown' means British, Shane Long most certainly should not have an asterix. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK.
I'm sure the asterix can be remove through day surgery. We've had a great many Irish players through here who've survived the procedure. Strangely enough an awful lot of them were born here so why Iris.........? Gets too confusing to lose sleep over it.
He's one of ours and we love him and we'll fight you for him ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Stokesofdublin[/bold] wrote: If 'home grown' means British, Shane Long most certainly should not have an asterix. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK.[/p][/quote]I'm sure the asterix can be remove through day surgery. We've had a great many Irish players through here who've survived the procedure. Strangely enough an awful lot of them were born here so why Iris.........? Gets too confusing to lose sleep over it. He's one of ours and we love him and we'll fight you for him ;-) jls217
  • Score: 2

2:34pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Stokesofdublin says...

nomorerumours wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
Stokesofdublin wrote:
If 'home grown' means British, Shane Long most certainly should not have an asterix. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK.
It's not part of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it's not part of the United Kingdom but it is a significant part of the British Isles. With so many Irish footballers playing in the English, Scottish and Welsh leagues, the wider definition has been accepted as the standard yardstick for "homegrown" players. The same applies in Rugby Union, with the Triple Crown including the "home nations" of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales (in alpha order!) with one team wining over the other three (hence "triple"). France and Italy only included in the 6 nations and for the Grand Slam. Anyway, why worry about a technicality? We have an overall squad of 61 including the under 21s with talent, quality and huge potential throughout and the management structure and training facilities to support it all. Great times ahead
I mean winning not wining - which I never do except for a nice bottle of Chablis or Merlot and not whining - some of you may just have noticed that I tend to be slightly positive!
Don't get me wrong. I'm delighted we've an ROI player with the Saints once again. And I'm an internationalist - we're all 'home grown' somewhere (for me it was Chandlers Ford). Shane was home grown in Tipperary. Believe me, this isn't a technicality over here.
[quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stokesofdublin[/bold] wrote: If 'home grown' means British, Shane Long most certainly should not have an asterix. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK.[/p][/quote]It's not part of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it's not part of the United Kingdom but it is a significant part of the British Isles. With so many Irish footballers playing in the English, Scottish and Welsh leagues, the wider definition has been accepted as the standard yardstick for "homegrown" players. The same applies in Rugby Union, with the Triple Crown including the "home nations" of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales (in alpha order!) with one team wining over the other three (hence "triple"). France and Italy only included in the 6 nations and for the Grand Slam. Anyway, why worry about a technicality? We have an overall squad of 61 including the under 21s with talent, quality and huge potential throughout and the management structure and training facilities to support it all. Great times ahead[/p][/quote]I mean winning not wining - which I never do except for a nice bottle of Chablis or Merlot and not whining - some of you may just have noticed that I tend to be slightly positive![/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong. I'm delighted we've an ROI player with the Saints once again. And I'm an internationalist - we're all 'home grown' somewhere (for me it was Chandlers Ford). Shane was home grown in Tipperary. Believe me, this isn't a technicality over here. Stokesofdublin
  • Score: 5

2:34pm Thu 4 Sep 14

elvis says...

fascia123 wrote:
Sky sports football reports

England's soggy display against Norway proved a turn-off to television viewers with audience figures showing almost four million more people chose to watch the Great British Bake-Off than Roy Hodgson's men labour to victory.

Would we be better off with Mary Berry as manager and Paul Hollywood replacing Wayne Rooney?
Paul Hollywood looks fitter & slimmer than Rooney !!
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Sky sports football reports England's soggy display against Norway proved a turn-off to television viewers with audience figures showing almost four million more people chose to watch the Great British Bake-Off than Roy Hodgson's men labour to victory. Would we be better off with Mary Berry as manager and Paul Hollywood replacing Wayne Rooney?[/p][/quote]Paul Hollywood looks fitter & slimmer than Rooney !! elvis
  • Score: 11

3:21pm Thu 4 Sep 14

epsomsaint says...

Stokesofdublin wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
Stokesofdublin wrote:
If 'home grown' means British, Shane Long most certainly should not have an asterix. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK.
It's not part of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it's not part of the United Kingdom but it is a significant part of the British Isles. With so many Irish footballers playing in the English, Scottish and Welsh leagues, the wider definition has been accepted as the standard yardstick for "homegrown" players. The same applies in Rugby Union, with the Triple Crown including the "home nations" of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales (in alpha order!) with one team wining over the other three (hence "triple"). France and Italy only included in the 6 nations and for the Grand Slam. Anyway, why worry about a technicality? We have an overall squad of 61 including the under 21s with talent, quality and huge potential throughout and the management structure and training facilities to support it all. Great times ahead
I mean winning not wining - which I never do except for a nice bottle of Chablis or Merlot and not whining - some of you may just have noticed that I tend to be slightly positive!
Don't get me wrong. I'm delighted we've an ROI player with the Saints once again. And I'm an internationalist - we're all 'home grown' somewhere (for me it was Chandlers Ford). Shane was home grown in Tipperary. Believe me, this isn't a technicality over here.
A 'home grown' player is classified as someone who, irrespective of age or nationality, has been registered with any club affiliated to the FA or the FA of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21).
[quote][p][bold]Stokesofdublin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stokesofdublin[/bold] wrote: If 'home grown' means British, Shane Long most certainly should not have an asterix. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK.[/p][/quote]It's not part of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it's not part of the United Kingdom but it is a significant part of the British Isles. With so many Irish footballers playing in the English, Scottish and Welsh leagues, the wider definition has been accepted as the standard yardstick for "homegrown" players. The same applies in Rugby Union, with the Triple Crown including the "home nations" of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales (in alpha order!) with one team wining over the other three (hence "triple"). France and Italy only included in the 6 nations and for the Grand Slam. Anyway, why worry about a technicality? We have an overall squad of 61 including the under 21s with talent, quality and huge potential throughout and the management structure and training facilities to support it all. Great times ahead[/p][/quote]I mean winning not wining - which I never do except for a nice bottle of Chablis or Merlot and not whining - some of you may just have noticed that I tend to be slightly positive![/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong. I'm delighted we've an ROI player with the Saints once again. And I'm an internationalist - we're all 'home grown' somewhere (for me it was Chandlers Ford). Shane was home grown in Tipperary. Believe me, this isn't a technicality over here.[/p][/quote]A 'home grown' player is classified as someone who, irrespective of age or nationality, has been registered with any club affiliated to the FA or the FA of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21). epsomsaint
  • Score: 7

4:25pm Thu 4 Sep 14

the swinging arm of channon says...

Stokesofdublin wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
Stokesofdublin wrote: If 'home grown' means British, Shane Long most certainly should not have an asterix. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK.
It's not part of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it's not part of the United Kingdom but it is a significant part of the British Isles. With so many Irish footballers playing in the English, Scottish and Welsh leagues, the wider definition has been accepted as the standard yardstick for "homegrown" players. The same applies in Rugby Union, with the Triple Crown including the "home nations" of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales (in alpha order!) with one team wining over the other three (hence "triple"). France and Italy only included in the 6 nations and for the Grand Slam. Anyway, why worry about a technicality? We have an overall squad of 61 including the under 21s with talent, quality and huge potential throughout and the management structure and training facilities to support it all. Great times ahead
I mean winning not wining - which I never do except for a nice bottle of Chablis or Merlot and not whining - some of you may just have noticed that I tend to be slightly positive!
Don't get me wrong. I'm delighted we've an ROI player with the Saints once again. And I'm an internationalist - we're all 'home grown' somewhere (for me it was Chandlers Ford). Shane was home grown in Tipperary. Believe me, this isn't a technicality over here.
Spiderman is home grown too - it doesnt mean nationality, it means registered with an fa club as a young player, as explained in the article. dont worry, he's still irish
[quote][p][bold]Stokesofdublin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stokesofdublin[/bold] wrote: If 'home grown' means British, Shane Long most certainly should not have an asterix. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK.[/p][/quote]It's not part of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it's not part of the United Kingdom but it is a significant part of the British Isles. With so many Irish footballers playing in the English, Scottish and Welsh leagues, the wider definition has been accepted as the standard yardstick for "homegrown" players. The same applies in Rugby Union, with the Triple Crown including the "home nations" of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales (in alpha order!) with one team wining over the other three (hence "triple"). France and Italy only included in the 6 nations and for the Grand Slam. Anyway, why worry about a technicality? We have an overall squad of 61 including the under 21s with talent, quality and huge potential throughout and the management structure and training facilities to support it all. Great times ahead[/p][/quote]I mean winning not wining - which I never do except for a nice bottle of Chablis or Merlot and not whining - some of you may just have noticed that I tend to be slightly positive![/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong. I'm delighted we've an ROI player with the Saints once again. And I'm an internationalist - we're all 'home grown' somewhere (for me it was Chandlers Ford). Shane was home grown in Tipperary. Believe me, this isn't a technicality over here.[/p][/quote]Spiderman is home grown too - it doesnt mean nationality, it means registered with an fa club as a young player, as explained in the article. dont worry, he's still irish the swinging arm of channon
  • Score: 5

4:56pm Thu 4 Sep 14

george chivers says...

elvis wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Sky sports football reports

England's soggy display against Norway proved a turn-off to television viewers with audience figures showing almost four million more people chose to watch the Great British Bake-Off than Roy Hodgson's men labour to victory.

Would we be better off with Mary Berry as manager and Paul Hollywood replacing Wayne Rooney?
Paul Hollywood looks fitter & slimmer than Rooney !!
But not slimmer and fitter than Dennis Hollywood.
[quote][p][bold]elvis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Sky sports football reports England's soggy display against Norway proved a turn-off to television viewers with audience figures showing almost four million more people chose to watch the Great British Bake-Off than Roy Hodgson's men labour to victory. Would we be better off with Mary Berry as manager and Paul Hollywood replacing Wayne Rooney?[/p][/quote]Paul Hollywood looks fitter & slimmer than Rooney !![/p][/quote]But not slimmer and fitter than Dennis Hollywood. george chivers
  • Score: 2

5:07pm Thu 4 Sep 14

milton road says...

Just watched Thanks to Jos on U tube and showed his 8 goals for us in the Championship, reminding me once more how crucial his signing was for us at both ends of the pitch.
I think most of us are sad it never worked out for him in the Prem, but we all send him good wishes and hope he has a great season for Norwich
Just watched Thanks to Jos on U tube and showed his 8 goals for us in the Championship, reminding me once more how crucial his signing was for us at both ends of the pitch. I think most of us are sad it never worked out for him in the Prem, but we all send him good wishes and hope he has a great season for Norwich milton road
  • Score: 15

5:12pm Thu 4 Sep 14

nomorerumours says...

Stokesofdublin wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
Stokesofdublin wrote:
If 'home grown' means British, Shane Long most certainly should not have an asterix. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK.
It's not part of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it's not part of the United Kingdom but it is a significant part of the British Isles. With so many Irish footballers playing in the English, Scottish and Welsh leagues, the wider definition has been accepted as the standard yardstick for "homegrown" players. The same applies in Rugby Union, with the Triple Crown including the "home nations" of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales (in alpha order!) with one team wining over the other three (hence "triple"). France and Italy only included in the 6 nations and for the Grand Slam. Anyway, why worry about a technicality? We have an overall squad of 61 including the under 21s with talent, quality and huge potential throughout and the management structure and training facilities to support it all. Great times ahead
I mean winning not wining - which I never do except for a nice bottle of Chablis or Merlot and not whining - some of you may just have noticed that I tend to be slightly positive!
Don't get me wrong. I'm delighted we've an ROI player with the Saints once again. And I'm an internationalist - we're all 'home grown' somewhere (for me it was Chandlers Ford). Shane was home grown in Tipperary. Believe me, this isn't a technicality over here.
bit it's a Long way to Tipperary!
[quote][p][bold]Stokesofdublin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stokesofdublin[/bold] wrote: If 'home grown' means British, Shane Long most certainly should not have an asterix. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK.[/p][/quote]It's not part of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it's not part of the United Kingdom but it is a significant part of the British Isles. With so many Irish footballers playing in the English, Scottish and Welsh leagues, the wider definition has been accepted as the standard yardstick for "homegrown" players. The same applies in Rugby Union, with the Triple Crown including the "home nations" of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales (in alpha order!) with one team wining over the other three (hence "triple"). France and Italy only included in the 6 nations and for the Grand Slam. Anyway, why worry about a technicality? We have an overall squad of 61 including the under 21s with talent, quality and huge potential throughout and the management structure and training facilities to support it all. Great times ahead[/p][/quote]I mean winning not wining - which I never do except for a nice bottle of Chablis or Merlot and not whining - some of you may just have noticed that I tend to be slightly positive![/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong. I'm delighted we've an ROI player with the Saints once again. And I'm an internationalist - we're all 'home grown' somewhere (for me it was Chandlers Ford). Shane was home grown in Tipperary. Believe me, this isn't a technicality over here.[/p][/quote]bit it's a Long way to Tipperary! nomorerumours
  • Score: 2

5:26pm Thu 4 Sep 14

mickey01 says...

Not sure if morgan would consider himself home grown
Not sure if morgan would consider himself home grown mickey01
  • Score: -3

5:46pm Thu 4 Sep 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

milton road wrote:
No the loan deals are not a win win or good thinking by the club. They are actually probably in place because the two players concerned did not want to sign a permanent contract with us. In other words have put themselves in the shop window because they are struggling with the clubs they are at to get first team football.
We have first option that means if the player wants to come, if Arsenal or Liverpool are in the back ground he can just say thanks Saints, no thanks, and there is nothing we can do and we get nothing for them and lose them. That is the reality of a loan deal with option to buy.
Toby was in a European Cup squad but struggling to get in the first team, that was why Koeman said it was 'unrealistic' for us to get him permanently. Yet he wanted to play and be seen so we got the loan, Arsenal and Newcastle missed out.
Bertrand is quality and is proving it, we have noticed no real difference or loss of form along our left side with him and Tadic playing together. Instead of Shaw and Lallana.
The bottom line Saints have to achieve European football to keep either of them and Schneiderlin and Rodriguez. If Koeman can achieve that very high target in some form I think they will stay.
Its a very tough ask.
im sorry but I think you are wrong there.
the way I see it is that the option to buy is basically a `pre-contract` agreement between the player and the club, with the 2 clubs agreeing and fixing the price.
the option to buy is unilaterally enforceable by us, in the case of Bertrand and toby
the players must have agreed terms of a contract, and signed to those terms, otherwise the option cant be enforced.
so no matter how well they play and no matter what their value is at the end of the season we have the option to sign them permanently or send them back to their parent clubs.
if we don't think they are worth the value in the loan deal we can send them back and try to sign them at the lower price.
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: No the loan deals are not a win win or good thinking by the club. They are actually probably in place because the two players concerned did not want to sign a permanent contract with us. In other words have put themselves in the shop window because they are struggling with the clubs they are at to get first team football. We have first option that means if the player wants to come, if Arsenal or Liverpool are in the back ground he can just say thanks Saints, no thanks, and there is nothing we can do and we get nothing for them and lose them. That is the reality of a loan deal with option to buy. Toby was in a European Cup squad but struggling to get in the first team, that was why Koeman said it was 'unrealistic' for us to get him permanently. Yet he wanted to play and be seen so we got the loan, Arsenal and Newcastle missed out. Bertrand is quality and is proving it, we have noticed no real difference or loss of form along our left side with him and Tadic playing together. Instead of Shaw and Lallana. The bottom line Saints have to achieve European football to keep either of them and Schneiderlin and Rodriguez. If Koeman can achieve that very high target in some form I think they will stay. Its a very tough ask.[/p][/quote]im sorry but I think you are wrong there. the way I see it is that the option to buy is basically a `pre-contract` agreement between the player and the club, with the 2 clubs agreeing and fixing the price. the option to buy is unilaterally enforceable by us, in the case of Bertrand and toby the players must have agreed terms of a contract, and signed to those terms, otherwise the option cant be enforced. so no matter how well they play and no matter what their value is at the end of the season we have the option to sign them permanently or send them back to their parent clubs. if we don't think they are worth the value in the loan deal we can send them back and try to sign them at the lower price. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 7

6:09pm Thu 4 Sep 14

NewForestStu says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
milton road wrote:
No the loan deals are not a win win or good thinking by the club. They are actually probably in place because the two players concerned did not want to sign a permanent contract with us. In other words have put themselves in the shop window because they are struggling with the clubs they are at to get first team football.
We have first option that means if the player wants to come, if Arsenal or Liverpool are in the back ground he can just say thanks Saints, no thanks, and there is nothing we can do and we get nothing for them and lose them. That is the reality of a loan deal with option to buy.
Toby was in a European Cup squad but struggling to get in the first team, that was why Koeman said it was 'unrealistic' for us to get him permanently. Yet he wanted to play and be seen so we got the loan, Arsenal and Newcastle missed out.
Bertrand is quality and is proving it, we have noticed no real difference or loss of form along our left side with him and Tadic playing together. Instead of Shaw and Lallana.
The bottom line Saints have to achieve European football to keep either of them and Schneiderlin and Rodriguez. If Koeman can achieve that very high target in some form I think they will stay.
Its a very tough ask.
im sorry but I think you are wrong there.
the way I see it is that the option to buy is basically a `pre-contract` agreement between the player and the club, with the 2 clubs agreeing and fixing the price.
the option to buy is unilaterally enforceable by us, in the case of Bertrand and toby
the players must have agreed terms of a contract, and signed to those terms, otherwise the option cant be enforced.
so no matter how well they play and no matter what their value is at the end of the season we have the option to sign them permanently or send them back to their parent clubs.
if we don't think they are worth the value in the loan deal we can send them back and try to sign them at the lower price.
Mmmmm not so sure this is correct but who is to say i know anything. I think that 'yes' at the end of any trial period we might have first dibs on signing the player permanently,however, should another club tout the player having played well say, and said player then doesnt want to come to Saints, then the liklihood is there is nothing we can do.

Just my take like i say, and i am no doubt wrong!! ;-)
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: No the loan deals are not a win win or good thinking by the club. They are actually probably in place because the two players concerned did not want to sign a permanent contract with us. In other words have put themselves in the shop window because they are struggling with the clubs they are at to get first team football. We have first option that means if the player wants to come, if Arsenal or Liverpool are in the back ground he can just say thanks Saints, no thanks, and there is nothing we can do and we get nothing for them and lose them. That is the reality of a loan deal with option to buy. Toby was in a European Cup squad but struggling to get in the first team, that was why Koeman said it was 'unrealistic' for us to get him permanently. Yet he wanted to play and be seen so we got the loan, Arsenal and Newcastle missed out. Bertrand is quality and is proving it, we have noticed no real difference or loss of form along our left side with him and Tadic playing together. Instead of Shaw and Lallana. The bottom line Saints have to achieve European football to keep either of them and Schneiderlin and Rodriguez. If Koeman can achieve that very high target in some form I think they will stay. Its a very tough ask.[/p][/quote]im sorry but I think you are wrong there. the way I see it is that the option to buy is basically a `pre-contract` agreement between the player and the club, with the 2 clubs agreeing and fixing the price. the option to buy is unilaterally enforceable by us, in the case of Bertrand and toby the players must have agreed terms of a contract, and signed to those terms, otherwise the option cant be enforced. so no matter how well they play and no matter what their value is at the end of the season we have the option to sign them permanently or send them back to their parent clubs. if we don't think they are worth the value in the loan deal we can send them back and try to sign them at the lower price.[/p][/quote]Mmmmm not so sure this is correct but who is to say i know anything. I think that 'yes' at the end of any trial period we might have first dibs on signing the player permanently,however, should another club tout the player having played well say, and said player then doesnt want to come to Saints, then the liklihood is there is nothing we can do. Just my take like i say, and i am no doubt wrong!! ;-) NewForestStu
  • Score: -8

8:15pm Thu 4 Sep 14

NC Fan4Life says...

NewForestStu wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
milton road wrote:
No the loan deals are not a win win or good thinking by the club. They are actually probably in place because the two players concerned did not want to sign a permanent contract with us. In other words have put themselves in the shop window because they are struggling with the clubs they are at to get first team football.
We have first option that means if the player wants to come, if Arsenal or Liverpool are in the back ground he can just say thanks Saints, no thanks, and there is nothing we can do and we get nothing for them and lose them. That is the reality of a loan deal with option to buy.
Toby was in a European Cup squad but struggling to get in the first team, that was why Koeman said it was 'unrealistic' for us to get him permanently. Yet he wanted to play and be seen so we got the loan, Arsenal and Newcastle missed out.
Bertrand is quality and is proving it, we have noticed no real difference or loss of form along our left side with him and Tadic playing together. Instead of Shaw and Lallana.
The bottom line Saints have to achieve European football to keep either of them and Schneiderlin and Rodriguez. If Koeman can achieve that very high target in some form I think they will stay.
Its a very tough ask.
im sorry but I think you are wrong there.
the way I see it is that the option to buy is basically a `pre-contract` agreement between the player and the club, with the 2 clubs agreeing and fixing the price.
the option to buy is unilaterally enforceable by us, in the case of Bertrand and toby
the players must have agreed terms of a contract, and signed to those terms, otherwise the option cant be enforced.
so no matter how well they play and no matter what their value is at the end of the season we have the option to sign them permanently or send them back to their parent clubs.
if we don't think they are worth the value in the loan deal we can send them back and try to sign them at the lower price.
Mmmmm not so sure this is correct but who is to say i know anything. I think that 'yes' at the end of any trial period we might have first dibs on signing the player permanently,however, should another club tout the player having played well say, and said player then doesnt want to come to Saints, then the liklihood is there is nothing we can do.

Just my take like i say, and i am no doubt wrong!! ;-)
Well my earlier post started a few debates on here !

Chambers did OK when he came on for his first cap last night and has done well at Arsenal so far. I believe he will continue to improve and will be worth more than double if we had kept him one more season.

With regards to Loan deals, I think that they are only a win - win if it is for a player that we are unsure of and allows us time to try him out first, like we did with Chaplow when we were in League 1, or Taider last month for the opposite side.

Good quality players should be signed up so that we can secure their services for a longer term and not showcase them for a move elsewhere. Of course it is always a risk when bringing a new player in which is why I thought it a risk to break up a squad that only wanted improving and who all fitted in with a good team spirit.

I believe Toby A will prove to be a good signing for us but if you read what he said, he believes it is the next step in his career !! We only have first option to buy him at a set amount which will mean nothing if the player gets a better offer and doesn't want to sign.

Any way if all the new players gel and play well then they won't want to leave because we could be top six by then !

COYS
[quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: No the loan deals are not a win win or good thinking by the club. They are actually probably in place because the two players concerned did not want to sign a permanent contract with us. In other words have put themselves in the shop window because they are struggling with the clubs they are at to get first team football. We have first option that means if the player wants to come, if Arsenal or Liverpool are in the back ground he can just say thanks Saints, no thanks, and there is nothing we can do and we get nothing for them and lose them. That is the reality of a loan deal with option to buy. Toby was in a European Cup squad but struggling to get in the first team, that was why Koeman said it was 'unrealistic' for us to get him permanently. Yet he wanted to play and be seen so we got the loan, Arsenal and Newcastle missed out. Bertrand is quality and is proving it, we have noticed no real difference or loss of form along our left side with him and Tadic playing together. Instead of Shaw and Lallana. The bottom line Saints have to achieve European football to keep either of them and Schneiderlin and Rodriguez. If Koeman can achieve that very high target in some form I think they will stay. Its a very tough ask.[/p][/quote]im sorry but I think you are wrong there. the way I see it is that the option to buy is basically a `pre-contract` agreement between the player and the club, with the 2 clubs agreeing and fixing the price. the option to buy is unilaterally enforceable by us, in the case of Bertrand and toby the players must have agreed terms of a contract, and signed to those terms, otherwise the option cant be enforced. so no matter how well they play and no matter what their value is at the end of the season we have the option to sign them permanently or send them back to their parent clubs. if we don't think they are worth the value in the loan deal we can send them back and try to sign them at the lower price.[/p][/quote]Mmmmm not so sure this is correct but who is to say i know anything. I think that 'yes' at the end of any trial period we might have first dibs on signing the player permanently,however, should another club tout the player having played well say, and said player then doesnt want to come to Saints, then the liklihood is there is nothing we can do. Just my take like i say, and i am no doubt wrong!! ;-)[/p][/quote]Well my earlier post started a few debates on here ! Chambers did OK when he came on for his first cap last night and has done well at Arsenal so far. I believe he will continue to improve and will be worth more than double if we had kept him one more season. With regards to Loan deals, I think that they are only a win - win if it is for a player that we are unsure of and allows us time to try him out first, like we did with Chaplow when we were in League 1, or Taider last month for the opposite side. Good quality players should be signed up so that we can secure their services for a longer term and not showcase them for a move elsewhere. Of course it is always a risk when bringing a new player in which is why I thought it a risk to break up a squad that only wanted improving and who all fitted in with a good team spirit. I believe Toby A will prove to be a good signing for us but if you read what he said, he believes it is the next step in his career !! We only have first option to buy him at a set amount which will mean nothing if the player gets a better offer and doesn't want to sign. Any way if all the new players gel and play well then they won't want to leave because we could be top six by then ! COYS NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 0

8:31pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Benali76 says...

Bevis Mugabe? I so hope he makes it.
Bevis Mugabe? I so hope he makes it. Benali76
  • Score: 3

9:02pm Thu 4 Sep 14

holburyhalo says...

Will it be a long stay for a short fellow even though hes a long way from Tipperary.I hope he has a lot of Irish magic and plenty of that renowned luck. Of course with our Dutch management we have a touch of the Orange to go with the Green. They march on in the Red and White the future is Rosy am i being to optimistic NAH
Will it be a long stay for a short fellow even though hes a long way from Tipperary.I hope he has a lot of Irish magic and plenty of that renowned luck. Of course with our Dutch management we have a touch of the Orange to go with the Green. They march on in the Red and White the future is Rosy am i being to optimistic NAH holburyhalo
  • Score: 0

10:47pm Thu 4 Sep 14

mack chinnon says...

Benali76 wrote:
Bevis Mugabe? I so hope he makes it.
I'm with you there.
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: Bevis Mugabe? I so hope he makes it.[/p][/quote]I'm with you there. mack chinnon
  • Score: 1

11:35pm Thu 4 Sep 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

With Alderweireld tipped to be in the starting line up for two weeks in order to establish his form, it will be interesting to see whether Fonte, or Yoshida will be stepping back into the shadows so to speak to accomodate Alderweireld's arrival. I would think because Fonte is captain, it would be Yoshi, but being that Alderwereld is a RB / CB and right footed, I would not be sure...Thoughts?
With Alderweireld tipped to be in the starting line up for two weeks in order to establish his form, it will be interesting to see whether Fonte, or Yoshida will be stepping back into the shadows so to speak to accomodate Alderweireld's arrival. I would think because Fonte is captain, it would be Yoshi, but being that Alderwereld is a RB / CB and right footed, I would not be sure...Thoughts? KiwiSaint74
  • Score: -1

3:21am Fri 5 Sep 14

AucklandSaint says...

Nice to see something positive being written about our team on another website. Read the article on the Premier League official site.

http://www.premierle
ague.com/en-gb/news/
features/talking-tac
tics-ronald-koeman-g
ives-southampton-fan
s-reasons-to-be-chee
rful.html
Nice to see something positive being written about our team on another website. Read the article on the Premier League official site. http://www.premierle ague.com/en-gb/news/ features/talking-tac tics-ronald-koeman-g ives-southampton-fan s-reasons-to-be-chee rful.html AucklandSaint
  • Score: 1

3:36am Fri 5 Sep 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Another grey area seems to be the future of Mayuka. Since being bought in by Adkins, and remaining pretty much unutilized by Poach, I would have expected him to be either sold or loaned out this season. Maybe Koeman has plans for him? Seems strange to loan out Gaston, but not Mayuka?
Another grey area seems to be the future of Mayuka. Since being bought in by Adkins, and remaining pretty much unutilized by Poach, I would have expected him to be either sold or loaned out this season. Maybe Koeman has plans for him? Seems strange to loan out Gaston, but not Mayuka? KiwiSaint74
  • Score: -1

3:37am Fri 5 Sep 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

AucklandSaint wrote:
Nice to see something positive being written about our team on another website. Read the article on the Premier League official site.

http://www.premierle

ague.com/en-gb/news/

features/talking-tac

tics-ronald-koeman-g

ives-southampton-fan

s-reasons-to-be-chee

rful.html
Thanks :)
[quote][p][bold]AucklandSaint[/bold] wrote: Nice to see something positive being written about our team on another website. Read the article on the Premier League official site. http://www.premierle ague.com/en-gb/news/ features/talking-tac tics-ronald-koeman-g ives-southampton-fan s-reasons-to-be-chee rful.html[/p][/quote]Thanks :) KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 0

8:37am Fri 5 Sep 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

mack chinnon wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
Bevis Mugabe? I so hope he makes it.
I'm with you there.
It will certainly give us the opportunity for some fantastic new chants, though I don't think we could get away with just chanting his surname! ;0)
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: Bevis Mugabe? I so hope he makes it.[/p][/quote]I'm with you there.[/p][/quote]It will certainly give us the opportunity for some fantastic new chants, though I don't think we could get away with just chanting his surname! ;0) de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 1
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