Sniper wrote:
Really sad to see Woggy Taylor get the sack, he's a true Saint and the club is a lot worse off without him. Thanks for all you've done Woggy. Liz Coley is another person who worked really hard for the club, but I guess Lowe's axe is falling first at the people who he feels "betrayed him" when he was ousted. I bet Lowe is loving every minute wielding his axe (whilst awarding healthy salaries to himself and Andrew Cowen) LOWE OUT

John B wrote:

Sniper wrote: Really sad to see Woggy Taylor get the sack, he's a true Saint and the club is a lot worse off without him. Thanks for all you've done Woggy. Liz Coley is another person who worked really hard for the club, but I guess Lowe's axe is falling first at the people who he feels "betrayed him" when he was ousted. I bet Lowe is loving every minute wielding his axe (whilst awarding healthy salaries to himself and Andrew Cowen) LOWE OUT

How on earth is the club to survive with out cost cutting. It may be sad for the people involved but they may be quite happy with a redundancy payment. Why would Mr Lowe be loving wielding the axe ?

John B wrote:

Sniper wrote: Really sad to see Woggy Taylor get the sack, he's a true Saint and the club is a lot worse off without him. Thanks for all you've done Woggy. Liz Coley is another person who worked really hard for the club, but I guess Lowe's axe is falling first at the people who he feels "betrayed him" when he was ousted. I bet Lowe is loving every minute wielding his axe (whilst awarding healthy salaries to himself and Andrew Cowen) LOWE OUT

How on earth is the club to survive with out cost cutting. It may be sad for the people involved but they may be quite happy with a redundancy payment. Why would Mr Lowe be loving wielding the axe ?

Jesus_02 wrote:
Giving the kitman the boot must have saved the club what 25k a year max? I think that Lowe should release a statement about directors wages to at least clear the air. There is a possibility that he and Wilde combined are drawing less of a wage than Crouch but I doubt it. I would expect Gorman and Dodd to be given the push next along with the bar staff and stewards. It is rumoured that Mick\'s (the roadie for Bon Jovie) Job is safe

John B wrote:

Sniper wrote: Really sad to see Woggy Taylor get the sack, he's a true Saint and the club is a lot worse off without him. Thanks for all you've done Woggy. Liz Coley is another person who worked really hard for the club, but I guess Lowe's axe is falling first at the people who he feels "betrayed him" when he was ousted. I bet Lowe is loving every minute wielding his axe (whilst awarding healthy salaries to himself and Andrew Cowen) LOWE OUT

How on earth is the club to survive with out cost cutting. It may be sad for the people involved but they may be quite happy with a redundancy payment. Why would Mr Lowe be loving wielding the axe ?

happy gilmore wrote:

Jesus_02 wrote: Giving the kitman the boot must have saved the club what 25k a year max? I think that Lowe should release a statement about directors wages to at least clear the air. There is a possibility that he and Wilde combined are drawing less of a wage than Crouch but I doubt it. I would expect Gorman and Dodd to be given the push next along with the bar staff and stewards. It is rumoured that Mick\\\'s (the roadie for Bon Jovie) Job is safe

Think you will find that Leon Crouch didn\'t take a wage

Jesus_02 wrote:
Giving the kitman the boot must have saved the club what 25k a year max? I think that Lowe should release a statement about directors wages to at least clear the air. There is a possibility that he and Wilde combined are drawing less of a wage than Crouch but I doubt it. I would expect Gorman and Dodd to be given the push next along with the bar staff and stewards. It is rumoured that Mick's (the roadie for Bon Jovie) Job is safe

What's the betting that the cost-cutting will not involve cutting the cost of admission or season tickets?

Saints since '57 wrote:
It seems to me that most of the authors of the above posts couldn't manage their way out of a paperbag let alone understand the finances of a a business in trouble! How does making people redundant and then reducing ticket prices, as suggested, make sense? There are legal procedures to adopt before making staff redundant and even Lowe must follow these. Do those who wish the club into administration understand what it would mean? Its just not the deduction of 10 points but an automatic acceptance of any bid for any player to pay the creditors - is that what you really want?This is another case of as soon as there is an announcement from the club it is rubbished by the doom merchants who should try and look at the bigger picture.

Major Sir Jerry Pending wrote:
I have never trusted Rupert Lowe and wish that he had never set foot in Southampton BUT to say that he enjoys sacking people is just unfair and ridiculous. He is wielding the axe not bacause he enjoys it because it's what he thinks is necessary for the good of the club - whether you agree with him or not is another matter of course. As for paying himself and Andrew Cowan big salaries, we don't know what their compensation arrangements are so let's wait until the yearly accounts are published before jumping to conclusions. Lowe claims that the new managerial staff are on low salaries with big bonus payments for success - let's hope that he and the rest of the board are paid on a similar basis!!

John B wrote:

Sniper wrote: Really sad to see Woggy Taylor get the sack, he's a true Saint and the club is a lot worse off without him. Thanks for all you've done Woggy. Liz Coley is another person who worked really hard for the club, but I guess Lowe's axe is falling first at the people who he feels "betrayed him" when he was ousted. I bet Lowe is loving every minute wielding his axe (whilst awarding healthy salaries to himself and Andrew Cowen) LOWE OUT

How on earth is the club to survive with out cost cutting. It may be sad for the people involved but they may be quite happy with a redundancy payment. Why would Mr Lowe be loving wielding the axe ?

Saints since '57 wrote:
It seems to me that most of the authors of the above posts couldn't manage their way out of a paperbag let alone understand the finances of a a business in trouble! How does making people redundant and then reducing ticket prices, as suggested, make sense? There are legal procedures to adopt before making staff redundant and even Lowe must follow these. Do those who wish the club into administration understand what it would mean? Its just not the deduction of 10 points but an automatic acceptance of any bid for any player to pay the creditors - is that what you really want?This is another case of as soon as there is an announcement from the club it is rubbished by the doom merchants who should try and look at the bigger picture.

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

John B wrote:

Sniper wrote: Really sad to see Woggy Taylor get the sack, he's a true Saint and the club is a lot worse off without him. Thanks for all you've done Woggy. Liz Coley is another person who worked really hard for the club, but I guess Lowe's axe is falling first at the people who he feels "betrayed him" when he was ousted. I bet Lowe is loving every minute wielding his axe (whilst awarding healthy salaries to himself and Andrew Cowen) LOWE OUT

How on earth is the club to survive with out cost cutting. It may be sad for the people involved but they may be quite happy with a redundancy payment. Why would Mr Lowe be loving wielding the axe ?

The overriding area for cost cutting is within the salaries of players. Some of them earn in a week what admin staff earn in a year. The next area, practised by all good management, is that of directors. It is very pertinent to ask what Lowe and Wilde are paying themselves. Would John B. like to give us an educated guess?

Iain wrote:
Don't Saints already automatically accept the first bid for any player? I thought that was club policy, administration or not.

John B wrote:

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

John B wrote:

Sniper wrote: Really sad to see Woggy Taylor get the sack, he's a true Saint and the club is a lot worse off without him. Thanks for all you've done Woggy. Liz Coley is another person who worked really hard for the club, but I guess Lowe's axe is falling first at the people who he feels "betrayed him" when he was ousted. I bet Lowe is loving every minute wielding his axe (whilst awarding healthy salaries to himself and Andrew Cowen) LOWE OUT

How on earth is the club to survive with out cost cutting. It may be sad for the people involved but they may be quite happy with a redundancy payment. Why would Mr Lowe be loving wielding the axe ?

The overriding area for cost cutting is within the salaries of players. Some of them earn in a week what admin staff earn in a year. The next area, practised by all good management, is that of directors. It is very pertinent to ask what Lowe and Wilde are paying themselves. Would John B. like to give us an educated guess?

No Idea dont really care as long as we are solvent

Tate Durden wrote:
Read Strachan\\\'s autobiography - it details in depth how pompous, naive, arrogant and egotistical Lowe a charachter is. Yes, some will say WGS admitted he liked him, but you can clearly read between the lines, he enjoyed toying with Lowe and finding him to be so out of his depth in his newly chosen sport it was comical to him to observe. There are lots of thinly veiled jibes by Strachan about Lowe\\\'s total lack of knowledge of the game but he also glaringly admits Lowe is a total control freak with no time for tradition of no respect for other peoples\\\', including the fan\\\'s, opinion, he cuts a tyrannical figure, out to serve the one person he loves the most, himself. WGS said he often had to make a stand against Lowe\\\'s meddling in affairs that weren\\\'t of his concern, something lesser men would do - and we all now the sort of charahter Lowe prefers under him - yes men and puppets. Lowe is going about ruining the club we all love for his nefarious purposes, make a stand and force him out. FOR THE GOOD OF THE CLUB, THE CITY AND THE FANS OF SOUTHAMPTON, LOWE MUST GO

John B wrote:

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

John B wrote:

Sniper wrote: Really sad to see Woggy Taylor get the sack, he's a true Saint and the club is a lot worse off without him. Thanks for all you've done Woggy. Liz Coley is another person who worked really hard for the club, but I guess Lowe's axe is falling first at the people who he feels "betrayed him" when he was ousted. I bet Lowe is loving every minute wielding his axe (whilst awarding healthy salaries to himself and Andrew Cowen) LOWE OUT

How on earth is the club to survive with out cost cutting. It may be sad for the people involved but they may be quite happy with a redundancy payment. Why would Mr Lowe be loving wielding the axe ?

The overriding area for cost cutting is within the salaries of players. Some of them earn in a week what admin staff earn in a year. The next area, practised by all good management, is that of directors. It is very pertinent to ask what Lowe and Wilde are paying themselves. Would John B. like to give us an educated guess?

No Idea dont really care as long as we are solvent

Jesus_02 wrote:
Giving the kitman the boot must have saved the club what 25k a year max? I think that Lowe should release a statement about directors wages to at least clear the air. There is a possibility that he and Wilde combined are drawing less of a wage than Crouch but I doubt it. I would expect Gorman and Dodd to be given the push next along with the bar staff and stewards. It is rumoured that Mick's (the roadie for Bon Jovie) Job is safe

toxteth o'grady wrote:

John B wrote:

Sniper wrote: Really sad to see Woggy Taylor get the sack, he's a true Saint and the club is a lot worse off without him. Thanks for all you've done Woggy. Liz Coley is another person who worked really hard for the club, but I guess Lowe's axe is falling first at the people who he feels "betrayed him" when he was ousted. I bet Lowe is loving every minute wielding his axe (whilst awarding healthy salaries to himself and Andrew Cowen) LOWE OUT

How on earth is the club to survive with out cost cutting. It may be sad for the people involved but they may be quite happy with a redundancy payment. Why would Mr Lowe be loving wielding the axe ?

Correct me if I am wrong...Crouch did not take a salary whilst at the helm - do we really think Lowe is doing the same ?? Cost cutting to pay for his wages ?

dave wrote:
If Lowe "loves SFC" so much like he recently claimed why doen't he work for free which he could afford to do and these people could keep their jobs. On the other hand why doesn't he do what the majority of Saints fans want and **** OFF OUT OF SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB!!!

Rodney Barton wrote:
Forget all the negative rubbish re Rupert Lowe and look to the future with positive ideas and hope the 'Dutch' way of play will come to Southampton and be as good as the Holland v Italy match at Euro 2008.

Sniper wrote:

Rodney Barton wrote:
Forget all the negative rubbish re Rupert Lowe and look to the future with positive ideas and hope the 'Dutch' way of play will come to Southampton and be as good as the Holland v Italy match at Euro 2008.

No, I won't forget all "the rubbish".

Saints do not play a competitive game of football for two months.

In the meantime, we have a new manager/coach who isn't even properly appointed yet.

We have players and staff who don't even know if they have a job or are being retained.

We have a boardroom set up that makes no sense with two boards with the same people on them.

We have a PLC chairman who is making football decisions and a Football chairman who seems to do nothing.

Regarding the point about Saints playing like the Dutch national team.... words fail me.

Saints since '57 wrote:
It seems to me that most of the authors of the above posts couldn't manage their way out of a paperbag let alone understand the finances of a a business in trouble! How does making people redundant and then reducing ticket prices, as suggested, make sense? There are legal procedures to adopt before making staff redundant and even Lowe must follow these. Do those who wish the club into administration understand what it would mean? Its just not the deduction of 10 points but an automatic acceptance of any bid for any player to pay the creditors - is that what you really want?This is another case of as soon as there is an announcement from the club it is rubbished by the doom merchants who should try and look at the bigger picture.

dave wrote:
If Lowe "loves SFC" so much like he recently claimed why doen't he work for free which he could afford to do and these people could keep their jobs.
On the other hand why doesn't he do what the majority of Saints fans want and **** OFF OUT OF SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB!!!

Auntie Lowe wrote:
What really grinds my gears about the pro-lowers is that they are so blinkered, or paid to be so blinkered, they don't acknowledge the fact that there a thousand and 1 other people with a better CV out there who could take his position as employee of the PLC, re-unite the fans and try and move forward. He has so many negative traits causing so much grief, why is he still here?

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

John B wrote:

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

John B wrote:

Sniper wrote: Really sad to see Woggy Taylor get the sack, he's a true Saint and the club is a lot worse off without him. Thanks for all you've done Woggy. Liz Coley is another person who worked really hard for the club, but I guess Lowe's axe is falling first at the people who he feels "betrayed him" when he was ousted. I bet Lowe is loving every minute wielding his axe (whilst awarding healthy salaries to himself and Andrew Cowen) LOWE OUT

How on earth is the club to survive with out cost cutting. It may be sad for the people involved but they may be quite happy with a redundancy payment. Why would Mr Lowe be loving wielding the axe ?

The overriding area for cost cutting is within the salaries of players. Some of them earn in a week what admin staff earn in a year. The next area, practised by all good management, is that of directors. It is very pertinent to ask what Lowe and Wilde are paying themselves. Would John B. like to give us an educated guess?

No Idea dont really care as long as we are solvent

Strange to find you 'don't care' about something; you seem to have a lot of interest in most other opinions that are expressed on this site, especially if they are anti-Lowe. Do you really believe it is not important what Lowe and Wilde are paid? One interpretation of that attitude is that Lowe and Wilde's salaries can be made up from what otherwise would have been paid to a secretary and a kit man. Not exactly enlightened management, is it?

Robbie wrote:
How on earth is the club to survive with out cost cutting. It may be sad for the people involved but they may be quite happy with a redundancy payment. Why would Mr Lowe be loving wielding the axe ? Could he start by reducing the Freebie Match day hospitality for himself and the other directors? Could he publish how much he's 'earning ' from the club (and the other directors?) every month?

Sniper wrote:
Really sad to see Woggy Taylor get the sack, he's a true Saint and the club is a lot worse off without him. Thanks for all you've done Woggy. Liz Coley is another person who worked really hard for the club, but I guess Lowe's axe is falling first at the people who he feels "betrayed him" when he was ousted. I bet Lowe is loving every minute wielding his axe (whilst awarding healthy salaries to himself and Andrew Cowen) LOWE OUT

John B wrote:

Sniper wrote: Really sad to see Woggy Taylor get the sack, he's a true Saint and the club is a lot worse off without him. Thanks for all you've done Woggy. Liz Coley is another person who worked really hard for the club, but I guess Lowe's axe is falling first at the people who he feels "betrayed him" when he was ousted. I bet Lowe is loving every minute wielding his axe (whilst awarding healthy salaries to himself and Andrew Cowen) LOWE OUT

How on earth is the club to survive with out cost cutting. It may be sad for the people involved but they may be quite happy with a redundancy payment. Why would Mr Lowe be loving wielding the axe ?

Sniper wrote:

John B wrote:

Sniper wrote: Really sad to see Woggy Taylor get the sack, he\'s a true Saint and the club is a lot worse off without him. Thanks for all you\'ve done Woggy. Liz Coley is another person who worked really hard for the club, but I guess Lowe\'s axe is falling first at the people who he feels \"betrayed him\" when he was ousted. I bet Lowe is loving every minute wielding his axe (whilst awarding healthy salaries to himself and Andrew Cowen) LOWE OUT

How on earth is the club to survive with out cost cutting. It may be sad for the people involved but they may be quite happy with a redundancy payment. Why would Mr Lowe be loving wielding the axe ?

I suppose they could employ \"yes men\" like you who never ever question anything and would jump off a cliff if Rupert asked you to. The club will survive in the same way most clubs in this division do. By just getting on with it. What major clubs have gone out of existance in the past 10 years? None. If they go into administration, in many cases, it spells the rebirth of the club, not the end. Lowe is not sacking people who are not delivering value for money or doing a poor job, Lowe is sacking people who HE doesn\'t like. People who dared to not toe the line or may have preferred working under the previous board and not his own. Lowe loves having power over people and I personally think he gets a kick out of it. For Rupert Lowe, this isn\'t business, it\'s personal.

Sniper wrote:

Saints since \'57 wrote: It seems to me that most of the authors of the above posts couldn\'t manage their way out of a paperbag let alone understand the finances of a a business in trouble! How does making people redundant and then reducing ticket prices, as suggested, make sense? There are legal procedures to adopt before making staff redundant and even Lowe must follow these. Do those who wish the club into administration understand what it would mean? Its just not the deduction of 10 points but an automatic acceptance of any bid for any player to pay the creditors - is that what you really want?This is another case of as soon as there is an announcement from the club it is rubbished by the doom merchants who should try and look at the bigger picture.

Lowe follows his own rules, and least we forget, he was about to be taken to court by Jim Joyce for unfair dismissal before Lowe was ousted. You are incorrect about the administrator accepting any bid for any player. This has not happened with Bournemouth, who did a good deal selling Sam Vokes, turning down other offers. So in reality, the trading of players is exactly the same as it is with the club in business. The bigger picture I see is my club being ruined even more by the man who messed it up in the first place. That is the only big picture to look at.

Yorkie wrote:
I am getting very bored with all this now. The only problem is that I want to get and and do something about it. How can sacking a few members of staff come close to getting rid of some of the rubbish we paid over the odds for? I've given up virtually all hope of coming to SMS next season - I will not support the current regime in anyway! It's getting too personal now - and I for one am beyond caring. I'll never stop looking for the result or taking in away games but Rupert back for a 2nd time is the end for me. Keep your replica kit! Keep your season ticket! Forget about membership! Football for the masses - not at SMS while Rupert is in charge. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely! I'll be back once the mighty one has fallen, even if he takes the club I know down with him. There may be no place in business for sentiment - but what about decency, honesty and integrity? Qualities I believe Mr Lowe lacks.

John B wrote:

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

John B wrote:

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

John B wrote:

Sniper wrote: Really sad to see Woggy Taylor get the sack, he's a true Saint and the club is a lot worse off without him. Thanks for all you've done Woggy. Liz Coley is another person who worked really hard for the club, but I guess Lowe's axe is falling first at the people who he feels "betrayed him" when he was ousted. I bet Lowe is loving every minute wielding his axe (whilst awarding healthy salaries to himself and Andrew Cowen) LOWE OUT

How on earth is the club to survive with out cost cutting. It may be sad for the people involved but they may be quite happy with a redundancy payment. Why would Mr Lowe be loving wielding the axe ?

The overriding area for cost cutting is within the salaries of players. Some of them earn in a week what admin staff earn in a year. The next area, practised by all good management, is that of directors. It is very pertinent to ask what Lowe and Wilde are paying themselves. Would John B. like to give us an educated guess?

No Idea dont really care as long as we are solvent

Strange to find you 'don't care' about something; you seem to have a lot of interest in most other opinions that are expressed on this site, especially if they are anti-Lowe. Do you really believe it is not important what Lowe and Wilde are paid? One interpretation of that attitude is that Lowe and Wilde's salaries can be made up from what otherwise would have been paid to a secretary and a kit man. Not exactly enlightened management, is it?

I have no idea how much people running Football clubs get and it really does not concern me but obviosly they need to be paid something. Similarly I do not know or really care how much each individual player gets. All I wish is that people would let Mr Lowe Mr Wilde etc get on with job of running the club they have all the information people like you and me dont. It is I would of thought impossible to critise or praise the current board withou knowing all the relevant facts. The people being made redundant may well be happy with their packages lots of people are. The only fact being that we need to cut costs and probably raise some money by selling players.

Tate Durden wrote:
Read Strachan's autobiography - it details in depth how pompous, naive, arrogant and egotistical Lowe a charachter is. Yes, some will say WGS admitted he liked him, but you can clearly read between the lines, he enjoyed toying with Lowe and finding him to be so out of his depth in his newly chosen sport it was comical to him to observe. There are lots of thinly veiled jibes by Strachan about Lowe's total lack of knowledge of the game but he also glaringly admits Lowe is a total control freak with no time for tradition of no respect for other peoples', including the fan's, opinion, he cuts a tyrannical figure, out to serve the one person he loves the most, himself. WGS said he often had to make a stand against Lowe's meddling in affairs that weren't of his concern, something lesser men would do - and we all now the sort of charahter Lowe prefers under him - yes men and puppets. Lowe is going about ruining the club we all love for his nefarious purposes, make a stand and force him out. FOR THE GOOD OF THE CLUB, THE CITY AND THE FANS OF SOUTHAMPTON, LOWE MUST GO

dave wrote:
If Lowe \\\"loves SFC\\\" so much like he recently claimed why doen\\\'t he work for free which he could afford to do and these people could keep their jobs. On the other hand why doesn\\\'t he do what the majority of Saints fans want and **** OFF OUT OF SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB!!!

Saint wrote:

John B wrote:

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

John B wrote:

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

John B wrote:

Sniper wrote: Really sad to see Woggy Taylor get the sack, he's a true Saint and the club is a lot worse off without him. Thanks for all you've done Woggy. Liz Coley is another person who worked really hard for the club, but I guess Lowe's axe is falling first at the people who he feels "betrayed him" when he was ousted. I bet Lowe is loving every minute wielding his axe (whilst awarding healthy salaries to himself and Andrew Cowen) LOWE OUT

How on earth is the club to survive with out cost cutting. It may be sad for the people involved but they may be quite happy with a redundancy payment. Why would Mr Lowe be loving wielding the axe ?

The overriding area for cost cutting is within the salaries of players. Some of them earn in a week what admin staff earn in a year. The next area, practised by all good management, is that of directors. It is very pertinent to ask what Lowe and Wilde are paying themselves. Would John B. like to give us an educated guess?

No Idea dont really care as long as we are solvent

Strange to find you 'don't care' about something; you seem to have a lot of interest in most other opinions that are expressed on this site, especially if they are anti-Lowe. Do you really believe it is not important what Lowe and Wilde are paid? One interpretation of that attitude is that Lowe and Wilde's salaries can be made up from what otherwise would have been paid to a secretary and a kit man. Not exactly enlightened management, is it?

I have no idea how much people running Football clubs get and it really does not concern me but obviosly they need to be paid something. Similarly I do not know or really care how much each individual player gets. All I wish is that people would let Mr Lowe Mr Wilde etc get on with job of running the club they have all the information people like you and me dont. It is I would of thought impossible to critise or praise the current board withou knowing all the relevant facts. The people being made redundant may well be happy with their packages lots of people are. The only fact being that we need to cut costs and probably raise some money by selling players.

Firstly you point let Turncoat Wilde get on with the job. Fact is you like talking facts when it suits, and the fact is he got us here. You can not trust a word from him, as it keeps changing all the time. Second point is about critising the board. You fail to remenber that they all have history and history with running this club. I think most fans are asking genuiene question and not looking to toatlly critise. Also not accepting everything, like you are so freely willing to do. The board is and has been accountable, and to date there seems no change. Some we all hoping for and not just freely accepting!

Artful Dodger wrote:

dave wrote: If Lowe \\\"loves SFC\\\" so much like he recently claimed why doen\\\'t he work for free which he could afford to do and these people could keep their jobs. On the other hand why doesn\\\'t he do what the majority of Saints fans want and **** OFF OUT OF SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB!!!

You want to know why Lowe does not 'work for free' for SFC Dave, it is because he is a professional. A person who does not get paid for the job, or works for free, is an amateur, which is what Crouch was, and the results speak for themselves. SFC is a Professional football club and should be run on business lines not on sentiment. If you want to support a club, where the Chairman, secretary, manager etc do not get paid, then may I suggest you try the local amateur leagues - there are plenty to choose from, starting in Millbrook.

Mike wrote:

Auntie Lowe wrote:
What really grinds my gears about the pro-lowers is that they are so blinkered, or paid to be so blinkered, they don't acknowledge the fact that there a thousand and 1 other people with a better CV out there who could take his position as employee of the PLC, re-unite the fans and try and move forward. He has so many negative traits causing so much grief, why is he still here?

Because no-one else wants the job and he has control of a large amount of shares and the backing of the majority of share holders.
If there are 'a thousand and 1' better people where are they? Crouch and Wilde took over saying they could do a better job but have didn't, they made more of a mess. Lowe is back like it or not. He is the PLC chairman and is working to save his investment and the investment of the people who have trusted thier shares to him. It is business i'm afraid and there is not a lot we can do about it.

Stu wrote:

Artful Dodger wrote:

dave wrote: If Lowe \\\"loves SFC\\\" so much like he recently claimed why doen\\\'t he work for free which he could afford to do and these people could keep their jobs. On the other hand why doesn\\\'t he do what the majority of Saints fans want and **** OFF OUT OF SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB!!!

You want to know why Lowe does not 'work for free' for SFC Dave, it is because he is a professional. A person who does not get paid for the job, or works for free, is an amateur, which is what Crouch was, and the results speak for themselves. SFC is a Professional football club and should be run on business lines not on sentiment. If you want to support a club, where the Chairman, secretary, manager etc do not get paid, then may I suggest you try the local amateur leagues - there are plenty to choose from, starting in Millbrook.

Professional??? Absolutley priceless.

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Artful Dodger wrote:

dave wrote: If Lowe \\\"loves SFC\\\" so much like he recently claimed why doen\\\'t he work for free which he could afford to do and these people could keep their jobs. On the other hand why doesn\\\'t he do what the majority of Saints fans want and **** OFF OUT OF SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB!!!

You want to know why Lowe does not 'work for free' for SFC Dave, it is because he is a professional. A person who does not get paid for the job, or works for free, is an amateur, which is what Crouch was, and the results speak for themselves. SFC is a Professional football club and should be run on business lines not on sentiment. If you want to support a club, where the Chairman, secretary, manager etc do not get paid, then may I suggest you try the local amateur leagues - there are plenty to choose from, starting in Millbrook.

PT wrote:
Can we be informed as to which players are retained and who are not? Can Mr Lowe and Mr Wilde go public in terms of what they are doing personally in respect of their salaries? Surely if things are so bad, which we all know they are, for a short period they should be giving their services for free, or at leat a minimum salary? I cannot see Lowe doing anything but taking money out of this club and can never imagine him making a gesture like this to SFC! Dodd etc, well lets face it, if we do have these Dutch gtuys they are dead wood, but perhaps Rupert is hedging his bets in case they dont het released. Great way to start and prepare for a new

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Bridgwater Saint wrote:
Though I don't like what Lowe were doing at this moment, I doubt if you want Lowe out cos Lowe won't forget you forced him oout last time and he will make sure you won't force him out this time. That is cos many shareholders and Barclay's bank still backed Lowe. The only way for Lowe to go out is for the shareholders to vote him out but many shareholders are pro-Lowe and he knew that. He will not care about us fans as long as the shareholder still backed him just like that general in Burma does have the support of the army there. So no chance of getting Lowe out at this moment. Oh by the way I discovered that Lowe means "Lion" in old Saxon languague.

threestands wrote:

Yorkie wrote: I am getting very bored with all this now. The only problem is that I want to get and and do something about it. How can sacking a few members of staff come close to getting rid of some of the rubbish we paid over the odds for? I\'ve given up virtually all hope of coming to SMS next season - I will not support the current regime in anyway! It\'s getting too personal now - and I for one am beyond caring. I\'ll never stop looking for the result or taking in away games but Rupert back for a 2nd time is the end for me. Keep your replica kit! Keep your season ticket! Forget about membership! Football for the masses - not at SMS while Rupert is in charge. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely! I\'ll be back once the mighty one has fallen, even if he takes the club I know down with him. There may be no place in business for sentiment - but what about decency, honesty and integrity? Qualities I believe Mr Lowe lacks.

SFC dont need so called supporters like you, good riddance.

John B wrote:

Saint wrote:

John B wrote:

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

John B wrote:

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

John B wrote:

Sniper wrote: Really sad to see Woggy Taylor get the sack, he\'s a true Saint and the club is a lot worse off without him. Thanks for all you\'ve done Woggy. Liz Coley is another person who worked really hard for the club, but I guess Lowe\'s axe is falling first at the people who he feels \"betrayed him\" when he was ousted. I bet Lowe is loving every minute wielding his axe (whilst awarding healthy salaries to himself and Andrew Cowen) LOWE OUT

How on earth is the club to survive with out cost cutting. It may be sad for the people involved but they may be quite happy with a redundancy payment. Why would Mr Lowe be loving wielding the axe ?

The overriding area for cost cutting is within the salaries of players. Some of them earn in a week what admin staff earn in a year. The next area, practised by all good management, is that of directors. It is very pertinent to ask what Lowe and Wilde are paying themselves. Would John B. like to give us an educated guess?

No Idea dont really care as long as we are solvent

Strange to find you \'don\'t care\' about something; you seem to have a lot of interest in most other opinions that are expressed on this site, especially if they are anti-Lowe. Do you really believe it is not important what Lowe and Wilde are paid? One interpretation of that attitude is that Lowe and Wilde\'s salaries can be made up from what otherwise would have been paid to a secretary and a kit man. Not exactly enlightened management, is it?

I have no idea how much people running Football clubs get and it really does not concern me but obviosly they need to be paid something. Similarly I do not know or really care how much each individual player gets. All I wish is that people would let Mr Lowe Mr Wilde etc get on with job of running the club they have all the information people like you and me dont. It is I would of thought impossible to critise or praise the current board withou knowing all the relevant facts. The people being made redundant may well be happy with their packages lots of people are. The only fact being that we need to cut costs and probably raise some money by selling players.

Firstly you point let Turncoat Wilde get on with the job. Fact is you like talking facts when it suits, and the fact is he got us here. You can not trust a word from him, as it keeps changing all the time. Second point is about critising the board. You fail to remenber that they all have history and history with running this club. I think most fans are asking genuiene question and not looking to toatlly critise. Also not accepting everything, like you are so freely willing to do. The board is and has been accountable, and to date there seems no change. Some we all hoping for and not just freely accepting!

I totally agree it is Wilde\'s fault we are where we are now but I disagree that you cannot trust a word from him I think like Crouch he sees things differently from me I totally agree we should work on facts. Unfortunately he is the largest shareholder and therefore holds a lot of power. My main point is that we should let the run SFC and we cannot praise or critise because we dont know the full financial the story and the team has not played a game under the new board. So I am giving them the Benefit of the doubt for a few months. I was critical of Burley last year and thought he should have been sacked but that would probably have cost us money.

Artful Dodger wrote:

dave wrote: If Lowe \\\"loves SFC\\\" so much like he recently claimed why doen\\\'t he work for free which he could afford to do and these people could keep their jobs. On the other hand why doesn\\\'t he do what the majority of Saints fans want and **** OFF OUT OF SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB!!!

You want to know why Lowe does not 'work for free' for SFC Dave, it is because he is a professional. A person who does not get paid for the job, or works for free, is an amateur, which is what Crouch was, and the results speak for themselves. SFC is a Professional football club and should be run on business lines not on sentiment. If you want to support a club, where the Chairman, secretary, manager etc do not get paid, then may I suggest you try the local amateur leagues - there are plenty to choose from, starting in Millbrook.

Saint wrote:

John B wrote:

Saint wrote:

John B wrote:

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

John B wrote:

saintsdeservebetter wrote:

John B wrote:

Sniper wrote: Really sad to see Woggy Taylor get the sack, he\\\'s a true Saint and the club is a lot worse off without him. Thanks for all you\\\'ve done Woggy. Liz Coley is another person who worked really hard for the club, but I guess Lowe\\\'s axe is falling first at the people who he feels \\\"betrayed him\\\" when he was ousted. I bet Lowe is loving every minute wielding his axe (whilst awarding healthy salaries to himself and Andrew Cowen) LOWE OUT

How on earth is the club to survive with out cost cutting. It may be sad for the people involved but they may be quite happy with a redundancy payment. Why would Mr Lowe be loving wielding the axe ?

The overriding area for cost cutting is within the salaries of players. Some of them earn in a week what admin staff earn in a year. The next area, practised by all good management, is that of directors. It is very pertinent to ask what Lowe and Wilde are paying themselves. Would John B. like to give us an educated guess?

No Idea dont really care as long as we are solvent

Strange to find you \\\'don\\\'t care\\\' about something; you seem to have a lot of interest in most other opinions that are expressed on this site, especially if they are anti-Lowe. Do you really believe it is not important what Lowe and Wilde are paid? One interpretation of that attitude is that Lowe and Wilde\\\'s salaries can be made up from what otherwise would have been paid to a secretary and a kit man. Not exactly enlightened management, is it?

I have no idea how much people running Football clubs get and it really does not concern me but obviosly they need to be paid something. Similarly I do not know or really care how much each individual player gets. All I wish is that people would let Mr Lowe Mr Wilde etc get on with job of running the club they have all the information people like you and me dont. It is I would of thought impossible to critise or praise the current board withou knowing all the relevant facts. The people being made redundant may well be happy with their packages lots of people are. The only fact being that we need to cut costs and probably raise some money by selling players.

Firstly you point let Turncoat Wilde get on with the job. Fact is you like talking facts when it suits, and the fact is he got us here. You can not trust a word from him, as it keeps changing all the time. Second point is about critising the board. You fail to remenber that they all have history and history with running this club. I think most fans are asking genuiene question and not looking to toatlly critise. Also not accepting everything, like you are so freely willing to do. The board is and has been accountable, and to date there seems no change. Some we all hoping for and not just freely accepting!

I totally agree it is Wilde\\\'s fault we are where we are now but I disagree that you cannot trust a word from him I think like Crouch he sees things differently from me I totally agree we should work on facts. Unfortunately he is the largest shareholder and therefore holds a lot of power. My main point is that we should let the run SFC and we cannot praise or critise because we dont know the full financial the story and the team has not played a game under the new board. So I am giving them the Benefit of the doubt for a few months. I was critical of Burley last year and thought he should have been sacked but that would probably have cost us money.

I can not agree with alot that you do and have said. But finally I see some change in you, even if it contradicts some of your earlier post. Well done for this \"So I am giving them the Benefit of the doubt for a few months.\" Though if the fans fears materialize, please tell me you will not be the first to say things like they need more time?

crew 657. wrote:

dave wrote: If Lowe "loves SFC" so much like he recently claimed why doen't he work for free which he could afford to do and these people could keep their jobs. On the other hand why doesn't he do what the majority of Saints fans want and **** OFF OUT OF SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB!!!

shut it you pathetic little boy. Youre proven to be an acne ridden stain on the cespit dwelling scum of millbrook. See you havent yet fixed a place or date you yellow belly Had a a scummer on yesterday called Al who was too scared to meet he wanted someone else to video it..pathetic

Costa Baz wrote:
Rupert & his band of followers. In religion and sociology, a cult is a cohesive group of people (often a relatively small and recently founded religious movement) devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture or society considers to be far outside the mainstream. Its separate status may come about either due to its novel belief system, because of its idiosyncratic practices or because it opposes the interests of the mainstream culture. Other non-religious groups may also display cult-like characteristics. In common usage, "cult" has a negative connotation, and is more generally applied to a group by its opponents, for a variety of possible reasons. Abusive Guru - an abusive guru or abusive spiritual master is always (always!) a false guru or master, never a genuinely enlightened teacher. This is because one of the signs of a true guru is that they never justify their abusive behaviour in terms of "breaking down the ego". Abusive gurus are almost always highly charismatic narcissistic, emotionally immature and parasitic sociopaths with a tendency to sadomasochistic co-dependency with their disciples and devotees. Many are inspired by (and stuck in) the intermediate zone, and hence are deluded enough to genuinely believe their own claims. Some may be puppeted by adverse entities. Abusive gurus are highly dangerous individuals who destroy the lives of many of their devotees. However it is also the case that some devotees are not harmed by, and even benefit from, their relation with their abusive guru. This is due to the highly ambiguous nature of the intermediate zone. The organisation of an abusive guru is called a cult. ps Still no retained list news - do you think they've forgotten it or have they done a deal with Hello magazine for disclosure and photo rights, to boost the coffers?

jimmmyyyy wrote:

PT wrote: Can we be informed as to which players are retained and who are not? Can Mr Lowe and Mr Wilde go public in terms of what they are doing personally in respect of their salaries? Surely if things are so bad, which we all know they are, for a short period they should be giving their services for free, or at leat a minimum salary? I cannot see Lowe doing anything but taking money out of this club and can never imagine him making a gesture like this to SFC! Dodd etc, well lets face it, if we do have these Dutch gtuys they are dead wood, but perhaps Rupert is hedging his bets in case they dont het released. Great way to start and prepare for a new

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season eh?!

I think soon we will know who is going, there will be lots of players released and sold i dont know who yet. I know for a fact Mario Licka has been released which suggests that other out of contract players will be leaving.

the totton scrutineer wrote:
I've done my share of concerned whinging and it does no good except make you feel depressed.So Why don't us whingers draw a line under it all and get behind SFC. After if it fails Lowe and Wilde's feet won't touch the ground and if it's a succes we get promotion so the fan's win both ways.SO SUPPORT THE SAINTS and forget about the men in charge we can't do anything about it

the totton scrutineer wrote:
I've done my share of concerned whinging and it does no good except make you feel depressed.So Why don't us whingers draw a line under it all and get behind SFC. After if it fails Lowe and Wilde's feet won't touch the ground and if it's a succes we get promotion so the fan's win both ways.SO SUPPORT THE SAINTS and forget about the men in charge we can't do anything about it

Mark H wrote:
Chances are it'll be put into another existing role, or outsourced/replaced cheaper. Without wanting to demean the job that Taylor has done all these years, I'm certain they'd be able to find someone to replace him for a lower asking price. If changes like this are what are required to keep SFC afloat, then I'm behind it. Perhaps I'm naive, but all I can do is help the club I love as much as I can - tickets, shirts, memberships, programs - and hope the club helps itself out. When the club's in such financial difficulties sentiment is the first thing to go, and the idea of SFC being a "family club" has already eroded over the past few years. Perhaps putting faith in Lowe and Wilde again is misplaced, but until there's another option I'll support SFC with everything I've got, because I can't let go of the club I love.

crew 657 wrote:
LOWE Out

crew 657 wrote:
LOWE Out

Angry Monkey wrote:

the totton scrutineer wrote: I've done my share of concerned whinging and it does no good except make you feel depressed.So Why don't us whingers draw a line under it all and get behind SFC. After if it fails Lowe and Wilde's feet won't touch the ground and if it's a succes we get promotion so the fan's win both ways.SO SUPPORT THE SAINTS and forget about the men in charge we can't do anything about it

Rubbish, if we do nothing, his club will continue to be dragged into the gutter. There is no chance of success, haven't you seen the debacle of the manager who isn't the manager. Lowe is again running a dictatorship. Where will it stop, £1000 season tickets to watch League 2 football. Of course we can do something about, quit funding their regime until they decide it aint worth it and sell up, the shareholders sack the incumbants and get new blood in without a vested interest of a shareholding and a cartel to please to taint their every decision or, worse case scenarion, we bite the bullit and see if administration is the only long term option for a possible brighter future. We are not sheep, we will whinge and whine if we are not happy, and believe me, the majority are not happy - protest for all you are worth, the future depends on it.

dave wrote:

Major Sir Jerry Pending wrote: I have never trusted Rupert Lowe and wish that he had never set foot in Southampton BUT to say that he enjoys sacking people is just unfair and ridiculous. He is wielding the axe not bacause he enjoys it because it's what he thinks is necessary for the good of the club - whether you agree with him or not is another matter of course. As for paying himself and Andrew Cowan big salaries, we don't know what their compensation arrangements are so let's wait until the yearly accounts are published before jumping to conclusions. Lowe claims that the new managerial staff are on low salaries with big bonus payments for success - let's hope that he and the rest of the board are paid on a similar basis!!

Not a chance.Lowe's mis-management of the club got us relegated but he wouldn't resign.He thought it had nothing to do with him.He'll pay himself a big salary regardless of how well the club do!

Artful Dodger wrote:
When I replied to Dave's 0904 post, where he wanted to know why Lowe was not prepared to work for nothing, I pointed out the difference between an amateur and a professional. Costa Baz at 2.55 and Les A Faire at 4.25 appear to be under the impression that I am a 100% Lowe man, which I am not. If Crouch was happy to work for nothing, so be it - he exercised his freedom of choice. I just think that, unless you want the club run like a charity shop, people should be paid for the job they do. There are some who think that Crouch, working for nothing, was 'overpaid in kind' with the Boardroom Bash on match days.

threestands wrote:

Costa Baz wrote: Rupert & his band of followers. In religion and sociology, a cult is a cohesive group of people (often a relatively small and recently founded religious movement) devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture or society considers to be far outside the mainstream. Its separate status may come about either due to its novel belief system, because of its idiosyncratic practices or because it opposes the interests of the mainstream culture. Other non-religious groups may also display cult-like characteristics. In common usage, "cult" has a negative connotation, and is more generally applied to a group by its opponents, for a variety of possible reasons. Abusive Guru - an abusive guru or abusive spiritual master is always (always!) a false guru or master, never a genuinely enlightened teacher. This is because one of the signs of a true guru is that they never justify their abusive behaviour in terms of "breaking down the ego". Abusive gurus are almost always highly charismatic narcissistic, emotionally immature and parasitic sociopaths with a tendency to sadomasochistic co-dependency with their disciples and devotees. Many are inspired by (and stuck in) the intermediate zone, and hence are deluded enough to genuinely believe their own claims. Some may be puppeted by adverse entities. Abusive gurus are highly dangerous individuals who destroy the lives of many of their devotees. However it is also the case that some devotees are not harmed by, and even benefit from, their relation with their abusive guru. This is due to the highly ambiguous nature of the intermediate zone. The organisation of an abusive guru is called a cult. ps Still no retained list news - do you think they've forgotten it or have they done a deal with Hello magazine for disclosure and photo rights, to boost the coffers?

For pities sake, get a life!

sailor sam wrote:

Angry Monkey wrote:

the totton scrutineer wrote: I've done my share of concerned whinging and it does no good except make you feel depressed.So Why don't us whingers draw a line under it all and get behind SFC. After if it fails Lowe and Wilde's feet won't touch the ground and if it's a succes we get promotion so the fan's win both ways.SO SUPPORT THE SAINTS and forget about the men in charge we can't do anything about it

Rubbish, if we do nothing, his club will continue to be dragged into the gutter. There is no chance of success, haven't you seen the debacle of the manager who isn't the manager. Lowe is again running a dictatorship. Where will it stop, £1000 season tickets to watch League 2 football. Of course we can do something about, quit funding their regime until they decide it aint worth it and sell up, the shareholders sack the incumbants and get new blood in without a vested interest of a shareholding and a cartel to please to taint their every decision or, worse case scenarion, we bite the bullit and see if administration is the only long term option for a possible brighter future. We are not sheep, we will whinge and whine if we are not happy, and believe me, the majority are not happy - protest for all you are worth, the future depends on it.

Pompey were in your predicament a few years ago, but we were lucky. Mr Mandaric bought the club, and our run of bad board rooms came to an end. If you do as Angry Monkey suggests, and the club goes into administration, there is no guarantee that the person/s that 'rescue' the club will have the financial clout to improve matters. IF (repeat) IF there were a buyer, and lets face it, there has not been a serious offer for the club in the last 12 months, the administrators would be after the best bid, and that could well be a very small sum, from a group with not much cash. Do you envisage a 'supporters buy out'? If so, you would be faced with something that you don't want - shareholders, because every fan that put in money would have a share. Then you would have to elect a Chairman. Nick Illingsworth's name springs to mind! Would he be more popular than Rupert? Would he be prepared to work for nowt? I doubt it! Look West! Bournemouth have gone into administration, and although there is a prospective buyer, it is going to be some little time before all that is sorted. How long do you think that it would take to sort out the 'transfer of power' at St Mary's? I am NOT a Saints fan, but do not want to see them go to the wall. There is an old saying, 'better the devil you know than the devil you don't know', and you all know Rupert Lowe!

Fed Up wrote:
All you people who support Lowe make me sick. You claim to be true saints fans but I dont see how you can. Your apathy for this situation is disgusting. If Lowe and wilde are really all about Saints where is their money. I beleive that Crouch financed a loan deal last season out of his own personal wealth. Surely on game day the manager, his staff and the players have more to worry about than sorting out their own kit. That\\\'s why teams have kit men. Its well known that in any industry the senior managers etc have support staff. Anyone who thinks secretaries and kit men are not important support staff are ignorrant pr*cks. Lowe and wilde could easily finance Mr Taylors wages by either out of their own pocket or by simply reducing their wage. Get rid off the rubbish players by all means but leave the support staff alone. Instead of looking to save money by axing people who draw a relitively small wage how about looking to generate money with the facilities we have. SFC does not need Lowe. SFC needs change and progress from peole who now how to manage business, who know football and above all else know that nobody in any football team is bigger than the fans. I said before, Lowe is an Etonian and ghe is back for one reason and one reason alone. To save face and prove a point to his Etonion chums.

Auntie Lowe wrote:
What really grinds my gears about the pro-lowers is that they are so blinkered, or paid to be so blinkered, they don't acknowledge the fact that there a thousand and 1 other people with a better CV out there who could take his position as employee of the PLC, re-unite the fans and try and move forward. He has so many negative traits causing so much grief, why is he still here?

Artful Dodger wrote:

Stu wrote:

Artful Dodger wrote:

dave wrote: If Lowe \\\"loves SFC\\\" so much like he recently claimed why doen\\\'t he work for free which he could afford to do and these people could keep their jobs. On the other hand why doesn\\\'t he do what the majority of Saints fans want and **** OFF OUT OF SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB!!!

You want to know why Lowe does not 'work for free' for SFC Dave, it is because he is a professional. A person who does not get paid for the job, or works for free, is an amateur, which is what Crouch was, and the results speak for themselves. SFC is a Professional football club and should be run on business lines not on sentiment. If you want to support a club, where the Chairman, secretary, manager etc do not get paid, then may I suggest you try the local amateur leagues - there are plenty to choose from, starting in Millbrook.

Professional??? Absolutley priceless.

Absolutely priceless? Without price! Amateur!
QED

Saints since '57 wrote:
It seems to me that most of the authors of the above posts couldn't manage their way out of a paperbag let alone understand the finances of a a business in trouble! How does making people redundant and then reducing ticket prices, as suggested, make sense? There are legal procedures to adopt before making staff redundant and even Lowe must follow these. Do those who wish the club into administration understand what it would mean? Its just not the deduction of 10 points but an automatic acceptance of any bid for any player to pay the creditors - is that what you really want?This is another case of as soon as there is an announcement from the club it is rubbished by the doom merchants who should try and look at the bigger picture.

crew 657., new forest on 12:46am today

Artful Dodger wrote:

Stu wrote:

Artful Dodger wrote:

dave wrote: If Lowe \"loves SFC\" so much like he recently claimed why doen\'t he work for free which he could afford to do and these people could keep their jobs. On the other hand why doesn\'t he do what the majority of Saints fans want and **** OFF OUT OF SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB!!!

You want to know why Lowe does not 'work for free' for SFC Dave, it is because he is a professional. A person who does not get paid for the job, or works for free, is an amateur, which is what Crouch was, and the results speak for themselves. SFC is a Professional football club and should be run on business lines not on sentiment. If you want to support a club, where the Chairman, secretary, manager etc do not get paid, then may I suggest you try the local amateur leagues - there are plenty to choose from, starting in Millbrook.

Professional??? Absolutley priceless.

Absolutely priceless? Without price! Amateur! QED

dodger..typical scum name, running away and dodging a real meet. I see that other waste of space dave from millbrook wrote some krap earlier, he really is a prize coward, never names a place and if he does he never shows. And you from he other cespit...sholing...h ome of the pub for cowards, the bullseye (more like bullsh@t). Just accept it scum your team is crap, your support is crap, youre just pathetic

Costa Baz wrote:

threestands wrote:

Costa Baz wrote: Rupert & his band of followers. In religion and sociology, a cult is a cohesive group of people (often a relatively small and recently founded religious movement) devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture or society considers to be far outside the mainstream. Its separate status may come about either due to its novel belief system, because of its idiosyncratic practices or because it opposes the interests of the mainstream culture. Other non-religious groups may also display cult-like characteristics. In common usage, \"cult\" has a negative connotation, and is more generally applied to a group by its opponents, for a variety of possible reasons. Abusive Guru - an abusive guru or abusive spiritual master is always (always!) a false guru or master, never a genuinely enlightened teacher. This is because one of the signs of a true guru is that they never justify their abusive behaviour in terms of \"breaking down the ego\". Abusive gurus are almost always highly charismatic narcissistic, emotionally immature and parasitic sociopaths with a tendency to sadomasochistic co-dependency with their disciples and devotees. Many are inspired by (and stuck in) the intermediate zone, and hence are deluded enough to genuinely believe their own claims. Some may be puppeted by adverse entities. Abusive gurus are highly dangerous individuals who destroy the lives of many of their devotees. However it is also the case that some devotees are not harmed by, and even benefit from, their relation with their abusive guru. This is due to the highly ambiguous nature of the intermediate zone. The organisation of an abusive guru is called a cult. ps Still no retained list news - do you think they\'ve forgotten it or have they done a deal with Hello magazine for disclosure and photo rights, to boost the coffers?

For pities sake, get a life!

But I do have a life. And a mind of my own, unlike you followers of Rupert\'s Southampton Football Cult. For those who need help in identifying Lowe\'s PR boys or his wannabee\'s see below, 1. They constantly praise \"Him\" as being the only man who can save SFC. 2. They believe all that \"He\" says is true. 3. They immediately come to \"His\" defence if anyone dares to disagree with \"Him\". 4. They ALWAYS say posters who don\'t like \"Him\" are \"not true supporters\". 5. They ALWAYS say that if posters aren\'t happy with the way \"He\" is running SFC, they should go away. 6. THEY DON\'T HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOUR. 7. THEY DON\'T UNDERSTAND OR RECOGNISE IRONY.

crew 657. wrote:

Artful Dodger wrote:

Stu wrote:

Artful Dodger wrote:

dave wrote: If Lowe \\\"loves SFC\\\" so much like he recently claimed why doen\\\'t he work for free which he could afford to do and these people could keep their jobs. On the other hand why doesn\\\'t he do what the majority of Saints fans want and **** OFF OUT OF SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB!!!

You want to know why Lowe does not 'work for free' for SFC Dave, it is because he is a professional. A person who does not get paid for the job, or works for free, is an amateur, which is what Crouch was, and the results speak for themselves. SFC is a Professional football club and should be run on business lines not on sentiment. If you want to support a club, where the Chairman, secretary, manager etc do not get paid, then may I suggest you try the local amateur leagues - there are plenty to choose from, starting in Millbrook.

Professional??? Absolutley priceless.

Absolutely priceless? Without price! Amateur! QED

dodger..typical scum name, running away and dodging a real meet. I see that other waste of space dave from millbrook wrote some krap earlier, he really is a prize coward, never names a place and if he does he never shows. And you from he other cespit...sholing...h ome of the pub for cowards, the bullseye (more like bullsh@t). Just accept it scum your team is crap, your support is crap, youre just pathetic

dave wrote:

crew 657. wrote:

Artful Dodger wrote:

Stu wrote:

Artful Dodger wrote:

dave wrote: If Lowe \\\"loves SFC\\\" so much like he recently claimed why doen\\\'t he work for free which he could afford to do and these people could keep their jobs. On the other hand why doesn\\\'t he do what the majority of Saints fans want and **** OFF OUT OF SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB!!!

You want to know why Lowe does not 'work for free' for SFC Dave, it is because he is a professional. A person who does not get paid for the job, or works for free, is an amateur, which is what Crouch was, and the results speak for themselves. SFC is a Professional football club and should be run on business lines not on sentiment. If you want to support a club, where the Chairman, secretary, manager etc do not get paid, then may I suggest you try the local amateur leagues - there are plenty to choose from, starting in Millbrook.

Professional??? Absolutley priceless.

Absolutely priceless? Without price! Amateur! QED

dodger..typical scum name, running away and dodging a real meet. I see that other waste of space dave from millbrook wrote some krap earlier, he really is a prize coward, never names a place and if he does he never shows. And you from he other cespit...sholing...h ome of the pub for cowards, the bullseye (more like bullsh@t). Just accept it scum your team is crap, your support is crap, youre just pathetic

I've told you a number of times where I train and invited to come and introduce yourself but you've always declined. I guess that makes you the pathetic one. Still a police grass are you skate boy?

Artful Dodger wrote:
What\'s the betting that the cost-cutting will not involve cutting the cost of admission or season tickets?

Costa Baz wrote:

threestands wrote:

Costa Baz wrote: Rupert & his band of followers. In religion and sociology, a cult is a cohesive group of people (often a relatively small and recently founded religious movement) devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture or society considers to be far outside the mainstream. Its separate status may come about either due to its novel belief system, because of its idiosyncratic practices or because it opposes the interests of the mainstream culture. Other non-religious groups may also display cult-like characteristics. In common usage, "cult" has a negative connotation, and is more generally applied to a group by its opponents, for a variety of possible reasons. Abusive Guru - an abusive guru or abusive spiritual master is always (always!) a false guru or master, never a genuinely enlightened teacher. This is because one of the signs of a true guru is that they never justify their abusive behaviour in terms of "breaking down the ego". Abusive gurus are almost always highly charismatic narcissistic, emotionally immature and parasitic sociopaths with a tendency to sadomasochistic co-dependency with their disciples and devotees. Many are inspired by (and stuck in) the intermediate zone, and hence are deluded enough to genuinely believe their own claims. Some may be puppeted by adverse entities. Abusive gurus are highly dangerous individuals who destroy the lives of many of their devotees. However it is also the case that some devotees are not harmed by, and even benefit from, their relation with their abusive guru. This is due to the highly ambiguous nature of the intermediate zone. The organisation of an abusive guru is called a cult. ps Still no retained list news - do you think they've forgotten it or have they done a deal with Hello magazine for disclosure and photo rights, to boost the coffers?

For pities sake, get a life!

But I do have a life. And a mind of my own, unlike you followers of Rupert's Southampton Football Cult. For those who need help in identifying Lowe's PR boys or his wannabee's see below, 1. They constantly praise "Him" as being the only man who can save SFC. 2. They believe all that "He" says is true. 3. They immediately come to "His" defence if anyone dares to disagree with "Him". 4. They ALWAYS say posters who don't like "Him" are "not true supporters". 5. They ALWAYS say that if posters aren't happy with the way "He" is running SFC, they should go away. 6. THEY DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOUR. 7. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND OR RECOGNISE IRONY.

threestands wrote:

Costa Baz wrote:

threestands wrote:

Costa Baz wrote: Rupert & his band of followers. In religion and sociology, a cult is a cohesive group of people (often a relatively small and recently founded religious movement) devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture or society considers to be far outside the mainstream. Its separate status may come about either due to its novel belief system, because of its idiosyncratic practices or because it opposes the interests of the mainstream culture. Other non-religious groups may also display cult-like characteristics. In common usage, "cult" has a negative connotation, and is more generally applied to a group by its opponents, for a variety of possible reasons. Abusive Guru - an abusive guru or abusive spiritual master is always (always!) a false guru or master, never a genuinely enlightened teacher. This is because one of the signs of a true guru is that they never justify their abusive behaviour in terms of "breaking down the ego". Abusive gurus are almost always highly charismatic narcissistic, emotionally immature and parasitic sociopaths with a tendency to sadomasochistic co-dependency with their disciples and devotees. Many are inspired by (and stuck in) the intermediate zone, and hence are deluded enough to genuinely believe their own claims. Some may be puppeted by adverse entities. Abusive gurus are highly dangerous individuals who destroy the lives of many of their devotees. However it is also the case that some devotees are not harmed by, and even benefit from, their relation with their abusive guru. This is due to the highly ambiguous nature of the intermediate zone. The organisation of an abusive guru is called a cult. ps Still no retained list news - do you think they've forgotten it or have they done a deal with Hello magazine for disclosure and photo rights, to boost the coffers?

For pities sake, get a life!

But I do have a life. And a mind of my own, unlike you followers of Rupert's Southampton Football Cult. For those who need help in identifying Lowe's PR boys or his wannabee's see below, 1. They constantly praise "Him" as being the only man who can save SFC. 2. They believe all that "He" says is true. 3. They immediately come to "His" defence if anyone dares to disagree with "Him". 4. They ALWAYS say posters who don't like "Him" are "not true supporters". 5. They ALWAYS say that if posters aren't happy with the way "He" is running SFC, they should go away. 6. THEY DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOUR. 7. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND OR RECOGNISE IRONY.

Sadly you dont have a mind of your own, you are one of the mob, for help in identifying you and your type see the following:- 1. You constantly slag him off with irrational posts, he is always responsible for the mess SFC are in. 2. You believe everything he says is untrue 3. If anybody supports him, you accuse them of being on his payroll, PR team or bizarrely a member of some cult! 4. Posters who think he might sort out the mess are accused of not being true fans 5. Those who want to give the new Board / Management team a chance are told to go away. 6. You don’t have a sense of reality or humour 7. You hate him for being an old Etonian, you are bigoted. He could take us to the pinnacle of the Premier League and hatred would still spew forth from your keyboard 8. You cant cope with the fact that you shouted No to Hoddle, and so contributed to the decline of SFC

Graham wrote:

Artful Dodger wrote: What\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s the betting that the cost-cutting will not involve cutting the cost of admission or season tickets?

Are you really so unaware that cost-cutting relates to costs to SFC and that tickets are a revenue to SFC ? Your \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'costs\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\' are up to you - you do not have to come if you do not want to or you cannot afford it. Take your pick. But if you do come, do stop whining and shout loud and clear to support the team.

Costa Baz wrote:

threestands wrote:

Costa Baz wrote:

threestands wrote:

Costa Baz wrote: Rupert & his band of followers. In religion and sociology, a cult is a cohesive group of people (often a relatively small and recently founded religious movement) devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture or society considers to be far outside the mainstream. Its separate status may come about either due to its novel belief system, because of its idiosyncratic practices or because it opposes the interests of the mainstream culture. Other non-religious groups may also display cult-like characteristics. In common usage, "cult" has a negative connotation, and is more generally applied to a group by its opponents, for a variety of possible reasons. Abusive Guru - an abusive guru or abusive spiritual master is always (always!) a false guru or master, never a genuinely enlightened teacher. This is because one of the signs of a true guru is that they never justify their abusive behaviour in terms of "breaking down the ego". Abusive gurus are almost always highly charismatic narcissistic, emotionally immature and parasitic sociopaths with a tendency to sadomasochistic co-dependency with their disciples and devotees. Many are inspired by (and stuck in) the intermediate zone, and hence are deluded enough to genuinely believe their own claims. Some may be puppeted by adverse entities. Abusive gurus are highly dangerous individuals who destroy the lives of many of their devotees. However it is also the case that some devotees are not harmed by, and even benefit from, their relation with their abusive guru. This is due to the highly ambiguous nature of the intermediate zone. The organisation of an abusive guru is called a cult. ps Still no retained list news - do you think they've forgotten it or have they done a deal with Hello magazine for disclosure and photo rights, to boost the coffers?

For pities sake, get a life!

But I do have a life. And a mind of my own, unlike you followers of Rupert's Southampton Football Cult. For those who need help in identifying Lowe's PR boys or his wannabee's see below, 1. They constantly praise "Him" as being the only man who can save SFC. 2. They believe all that "He" says is true. 3. They immediately come to "His" defence if anyone dares to disagree with "Him". 4. They ALWAYS say posters who don't like "Him" are "not true supporters". 5. They ALWAYS say that if posters aren't happy with the way "He" is running SFC, they should go away. 6. THEY DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOUR. 7. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND OR RECOGNISE IRONY.

Sadly you dont have a mind of your own, you are one of the mob, for help in identifying you and your type see the following:- 1. You constantly slag him off with irrational posts, he is always responsible for the mess SFC are in. 2. You believe everything he says is untrue 3. If anybody supports him, you accuse them of being on his payroll, PR team or bizarrely a member of some cult! 4. Posters who think he might sort out the mess are accused of not being true fans 5. Those who want to give the new Board / Management team a chance are told to go away. 6. You don’t have a sense of reality or humour 7. You hate him for being an old Etonian, you are bigoted. He could take us to the pinnacle of the Premier League and hatred would still spew forth from your keyboard 8. You cant cope with the fact that you shouted No to Hoddle, and so contributed to the decline of SFC

Told you you didn't have a mind of your own. You even had to copy most of my text dear boy. As a point of fact I was not anti Hoddle, and proof can be seen in the Meridian tv archives when my main comment at the time (which was aired) was "I didn't care who he hired as long as he pulled his finger out as he was taking too long to make a decision". I am not a bigot and I do have a sense of reality which is why I question things and don't blindly believe everything I see or hear. My posting about the cult was humour, although when you look closely at it, some of the points in it are very close to the way things appear to be at SFC.:-) I have never suggested that Lowe supporters should walk away from the club neither have I said the same about Lowe haters who say they won't spend anymore money at the club, because I respect their right to have an opinion, regardless of whether or not I agree with it. I do belive Lowe is largely responsible for our current position because of the frequent managerial changes that disrupted teams, drained finances and also led to each new manager bringing in surplus staff and players that were a further drain on finances. He also employed Redknapp which was the final nail in our coffin. Many people I spoke with at the time agreed that his heart didn't appear to be in the job, which he admitted after he left. With regards to your comments about "hatred spewing forth from your keyboard" meaning my keyboard, you have probably brought nothing but embarrassment on your fellow Lowe supporters who may now have to put up with being likened to you. Your post isn't even original and is certainly "spewing hatred". One last question. Are you called Threestands because you are one stand short of a complete stadium?

threestands wrote:

Costa Baz wrote:

threestands wrote:

Costa Baz wrote:

threestands wrote:

Costa Baz wrote: Rupert & his band of followers. In religion and sociology, a cult is a cohesive group of people (often a relatively small and recently founded religious movement) devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture or society considers to be far outside the mainstream. Its separate status may come about either due to its novel belief system, because of its idiosyncratic practices or because it opposes the interests of the mainstream culture. Other non-religious groups may also display cult-like characteristics. In common usage, "cult" has a negative connotation, and is more generally applied to a group by its opponents, for a variety of possible reasons. Abusive Guru - an abusive guru or abusive spiritual master is always (always!) a false guru or master, never a genuinely enlightened teacher. This is because one of the signs of a true guru is that they never justify their abusive behaviour in terms of "breaking down the ego". Abusive gurus are almost always highly charismatic narcissistic, emotionally immature and parasitic sociopaths with a tendency to sadomasochistic co-dependency with their disciples and devotees. Many are inspired by (and stuck in) the intermediate zone, and hence are deluded enough to genuinely believe their own claims. Some may be puppeted by adverse entities. Abusive gurus are highly dangerous individuals who destroy the lives of many of their devotees. However it is also the case that some devotees are not harmed by, and even benefit from, their relation with their abusive guru. This is due to the highly ambiguous nature of the intermediate zone. The organisation of an abusive guru is called a cult. ps Still no retained list news - do you think they've forgotten it or have they done a deal with Hello magazine for disclosure and photo rights, to boost the coffers?

For pities sake, get a life!

But I do have a life. And a mind of my own, unlike you followers of Rupert's Southampton Football Cult. For those who need help in identifying Lowe's PR boys or his wannabee's see below, 1. They constantly praise "Him" as being the only man who can save SFC. 2. They believe all that "He" says is true. 3. They immediately come to "His" defence if anyone dares to disagree with "Him". 4. They ALWAYS say posters who don't like "Him" are "not true supporters". 5. They ALWAYS say that if posters aren't happy with the way "He" is running SFC, they should go away. 6. THEY DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOUR. 7. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND OR RECOGNISE IRONY.

Sadly you dont have a mind of your own, you are one of the mob, for help in identifying you and your type see the following:- 1. You constantly slag him off with irrational posts, he is always responsible for the mess SFC are in. 2. You believe everything he says is untrue 3. If anybody supports him, you accuse them of being on his payroll, PR team or bizarrely a member of some cult! 4. Posters who think he might sort out the mess are accused of not being true fans 5. Those who want to give the new Board / Management team a chance are told to go away. 6. You don’t have a sense of reality or humour 7. You hate him for being an old Etonian, you are bigoted. He could take us to the pinnacle of the Premier League and hatred would still spew forth from your keyboard 8. You cant cope with the fact that you shouted No to Hoddle, and so contributed to the decline of SFC

Told you you didn't have a mind of your own. You even had to copy most of my text dear boy. As a point of fact I was not anti Hoddle, and proof can be seen in the Meridian tv archives when my main comment at the time (which was aired) was "I didn't care who he hired as long as he pulled his finger out as he was taking too long to make a decision". I am not a bigot and I do have a sense of reality which is why I question things and don't blindly believe everything I see or hear. My posting about the cult was humour, although when you look closely at it, some of the points in it are very close to the way things appear to be at SFC.:-) I have never suggested that Lowe supporters should walk away from the club neither have I said the same about Lowe haters who say they won't spend anymore money at the club, because I respect their right to have an opinion, regardless of whether or not I agree with it. I do belive Lowe is largely responsible for our current position because of the frequent managerial changes that disrupted teams, drained finances and also led to each new manager bringing in surplus staff and players that were a further drain on finances. He also employed Redknapp which was the final nail in our coffin. Many people I spoke with at the time agreed that his heart didn't appear to be in the job, which he admitted after he left. With regards to your comments about "hatred spewing forth from your keyboard" meaning my keyboard, you have probably brought nothing but embarrassment on your fellow Lowe supporters who may now have to put up with being likened to you. Your post isn't even original and is certainly "spewing hatred". One last question. Are you called Threestands because you are one stand short of a complete stadium?

Ooooops, you didn't spot it did you. Setting out my post in your style was being ironic, actually no, to be honest I was taking the pi$$, sorry if it went over your head - silly boy. The name Threestands? Working in Bumouth its a bit of a mickey take. AFCB only have three stands you see. Unless you count a pile of scaffolding as a stand. The fact they cant afford a new stand is probably down to R Lowe, what a ba$tard!

couzzy wrote:
crew1234,

you have serious issues pal. were you beaten as a child?

from what i have observed from here many people have named a place and time to meet and yet YOU are the one who has'nt showed up. So why was that? did you miss the bus? bike get a puncture? mum wouldnt let you out after 7 OR maybe you just bottled it? I havent heard any excuse for your no shows yet so please enlighten me and everyone else on here are YOU a coward hmmm?

Three words little boy:

FULL OF IT!!!

crew 657. wrote:

couzzy wrote: crew1234, you have serious issues pal. were you beaten as a child? from what i have observed from here many people have named a place and time to meet and yet YOU are the one who has'nt showed up. So why was that? did you miss the bus? bike get a puncture? mum wouldnt let you out after 7 OR maybe you just bottled it? I havent heard any excuse for your no shows yet so please enlighten me and everyone else on here are YOU a coward hmmm? Three words little boy: FULL OF IT!!!

I always show scummer and never doubt it...happy to meet you but suggest you take out dental insurance beforehand...you'll need it, but then again im kidding myself..you wont show and if you did you'd un away. Dave from millbrook hasnt showed as his mother keeps him on a harness and the club he suggests meeting at is a womens club so nywhere but there, but he's too afraid

Robbie wrote:
Before anyone else comments, I have a long standing inability to type the word 'the' in the right order.......

threestands wrote:

Costa Baz wrote:

threestands wrote:

Costa Baz wrote: Rupert & his band of followers. In religion and sociology, a cult is a cohesive group of people (often a relatively small and recently founded religious movement) devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture or society considers to be far outside the mainstream. Its separate status may come about either due to its novel belief system, because of its idiosyncratic practices or because it opposes the interests of the mainstream culture. Other non-religious groups may also display cult-like characteristics. In common usage, \"cult\" has a negative connotation, and is more generally applied to a group by its opponents, for a variety of possible reasons. Abusive Guru - an abusive guru or abusive spiritual master is always (always!) a false guru or master, never a genuinely enlightened teacher. This is because one of the signs of a true guru is that they never justify their abusive behaviour in terms of \"breaking down the ego\". Abusive gurus are almost always highly charismatic narcissistic, emotionally immature and parasitic sociopaths with a tendency to sadomasochistic co-dependency with their disciples and devotees. Many are inspired by (and stuck in) the intermediate zone, and hence are deluded enough to genuinely believe their own claims. Some may be puppeted by adverse entities. Abusive gurus are highly dangerous individuals who destroy the lives of many of their devotees. However it is also the case that some devotees are not harmed by, and even benefit from, their relation with their abusive guru. This is due to the highly ambiguous nature of the intermediate zone. The organisation of an abusive guru is called a cult. ps Still no retained list news - do you think they\'ve forgotten it or have they done a deal with Hello magazine for disclosure and photo rights, to boost the coffers?

For pities sake, get a life!

But I do have a life. And a mind of my own, unlike you followers of Rupert\'s Southampton Football Cult. For those who need help in identifying Lowe\'s PR boys or his wannabee\'s see below, 1. They constantly praise \"Him\" as being the only man who can save SFC. 2. They believe all that \"He\" says is true. 3. They immediately come to \"His\" defence if anyone dares to disagree with \"Him\". 4. They ALWAYS say posters who don\'t like \"Him\" are \"not true supporters\". 5. They ALWAYS say that if posters aren\'t happy with the way \"He\" is running SFC, they should go away. 6. THEY DON\'T HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOUR. 7. THEY DON\'T UNDERSTAND OR RECOGNISE IRONY.

Sadly you dont have a mind of your own, you are one of the mob, for help in identifying you and your type see the following:- 1. You constantly slag him off with irrational posts, he is always responsible for the mess SFC are in. 2. You believe everything he says is untrue 3. If anybody supports him, you accuse them of being on his payroll, PR team or bizarrely a member of some cult! 4. Posters who think he might sort out the mess are accused of not being true fans 5. Those who want to give the new Board / Management team a chance are told to go away. 6. You don’t have a sense of reality or humour 7. You hate him for being an old Etonian, you are bigoted. He could take us to the pinnacle of the Premier League and hatred would still spew forth from your keyboard 8. You cant cope with the fact that you shouted No to Hoddle, and so contributed to the decline of SFC