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Saints contract rebel Dyer banished from training
8:00am Tuesday 1st July 2008
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Nathan Dyer has been banished from first team training as he stalls over a new Saints contract.
The 20-year-old winger saw his current deal officially end yesterday and so has reverted to a week-to-week contract.
Saints have made what they describe as "a very fair" contract offer to try and persuade Dyer to commit his future to the club. But he has so far refused to sign.
New head coach Jan Poortvliet has reacted by excluding Dyer from first team training UNLESS he agrees to accept the new deal which has been discussed over a period of months and remains on the table.
Poortvliet made the decision after speaking with Dyer and insisted he can only have players with total commitment in his first team squad.
He said: "Yesterday morning we talked with Nathan and said it was better for the group and for everyone if he didn't train with us unless he signs our contract.
"We are preparing the boys for the season and when you don't have a contract you can't prepare.
"We said he can sign or wait for another club but we need players who are happy to be here, who are involved with Southampton and who want to work at a level for them themselves and for their team.
"We need players whose hearts are in Southampton and only then we can achieve what we want to achieve."
Dyer is unlikely to receive much sympathy from Saints fans as the club offer to stand by him despite another date at Portsmouth Magistrates Court a week today in connection with burglary charges.
If he does opt to leave on a free transfer, then Saints will still be entitled to a compensation fee to recognise his development with them as he is under 24.
Dyer has been continually linked with a move to Portsmouth, where another ex-Saints academy player Martin Cranie went last summer after turning down a new contract.
Poortvliet has insisted the door is still open for Dyer to be a part of his plans - but he will have to sign his new contract to do that.
Saints' head coach believes Dyer would benefit for another year at St Mary's before any move to the Premeriship.
"It's a pity for a player who has spent all his life at a club and put in a lot of good work in the youth team and reserve teams," said Poortvliet.
"He needs to prove himself in the first team and then you can make that step forward.
"He can go somewhere else, which he has a right to do, but playing for Southampton if he has a great season then he will be ready for it.
"Nathan needs to play at least another year here to be ready to become a top player in the Premiership."
PLC chairman Rupert Lowe added: "Jan Poortvliet, Mark Wotte and I have all spoken to Nathan and we have offered him a very fair contract which he has so far declined and he is now on a week-to-week basis.
"It is still on the table and we have made it very clear we want to keep him. But we want complete commitment.
"That is the Dutch way and it is important and central to our plans to have commitment from the players."
Dyer was discovered and developed by Saints' satellite academy in Bath and was mentored by former coach Rod Ruddick, who is also now with Portsmouth.
Dyer made his Saints debut in 2005 - scoring on his debut under Harry Redknapp at Southend in a Carling Cup tie - and has gone on to make 61 appearances, scoring three goals.
However, last year Dyer had a major injury setback before the off field problems erupted.
Dyer's court appearance next week relates to an alleged theft from a staff room at Bar Bluu nightclub in Portsmouth.
Bradley Wright-Phillips has also been charged. The striker still has a year left on his Saints contract.
All Saints contracts expired yesterday but the club are STILL refusing to disclose the details of their retained list.
The futures of Jermaine Wright, Inigo Idiakez, Mario Licka, Darren Powell and Alex Ostlund are unclear None of those five were at Staplewood last Friday when a Daily Echo photographer was allowed in to take pictures of the training session.
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john, salisbury says...
8:19am Tue 1 Jul 08
Harry, Brighton says...
8:23am Tue 1 Jul 08
Condor Man, Southampton says...
8:44am Tue 1 Jul 08
Mmmmm, here, there, everwhere says...
9:21am Tue 1 Jul 08
If we were to lose him then I'm not too fussed, I've been expecting him to leave all summer, but it would be a bit of a boost if we could keep him.
He gives us pace and width and while he isn't the finished article yet his form was improving before his injury problems.
whizzpop, Fareham/Eastleigh/Bi
tterne/Hedge End says...
9:30am Tue 1 Jul 08
Jeff Le Taxi, Southampton says...
9:39am Tue 1 Jul 08
Trouble is Dyer must sign a contract so we can get maximum cash when we get rid of him, SOON i hope!
Wazza, says...
9:52am Tue 1 Jul 08
Martin, York says...
9:59am Tue 1 Jul 08
Frankie, WESTON says...
10:12am Tue 1 Jul 08
it just goes to show what real football fans think of "stars" who behave like complete prats
let him go ? no kick him out !
make him and his mate realise what they have actually done
Reality, says...
10:26am Tue 1 Jul 08
Nathan Dyer is one of the nicest and most level headed players at Saints. Always willing to attend Charity and community events on behalf of the club (much like Wright-Phillips) but then no-one is interested in that eh? And of course, all the above have never ever done a stupid thing when drunk in their life eh?
"Welcome to Southampton, from where we shall pass judgement upon you from our Ivory tower"
nick, southampton says...
10:40am Tue 1 Jul 08
Anyone know of any transfer gossip??
CUCUMBER, Chandler's Ford says...
10:43am Tue 1 Jul 08
milton road, alicante says...
10:45am Tue 1 Jul 08
steve, lONDON says...
10:56am Tue 1 Jul 08
Richie, Germany says...
11:01am Tue 1 Jul 08
redarmy, Southampton says...
11:11am Tue 1 Jul 08
CUCUMBER wrote:Ostlund left weeks ago,after vacating his ocean village appartment... i have a friend who did his cleaning- she told me,and she aint one to lie...
We are getting better players in, we don't need him. Can I just ask- on the Saints Web site it shows the team, but where is Alexander Ostlund, Darren Powell, etc. How can we cope with four defenders... ? Just aking.
as for Powell,glad he's gone too...most useless ever defender i have seen!!
As for Dyer...he is just that on the pitch...DYER!! awful player,thinks he's it..kick the little tw4t out of the club!!
No I Deer, says...
11:15am Tue 1 Jul 08
I may be wrong thou.
Hedge End Saint, Hedge End says...
11:15am Tue 1 Jul 08
No I Deer, says...
11:17am Tue 1 Jul 08
No I Deer wrote:He has the potential and i think getting rid of him may not be the best idea.
He has the potential and i think getting rid of him may not be the best idea. I may be wrong thou.
I may be wrong thou
Gary, Soton says...
11:48am Tue 1 Jul 08
whizzpop, Fareham/Eastleigh/Bi
tterne/Hedge End says...
11:58am Tue 1 Jul 08
Gary wrote:Some good words here. Dyer is blind to think that a) anyone else wants him b) and that Saints are pretty much giving him another chance, if he can't accept that then he should push off.
Wish people would stop with the Lowe / Board bashing. I dislike the way Lowe has handled things all these year, as much as the next person. I have been vocal and in the written word for my dislike at his miss management and cr-p decisions like many, many others. But he is still here. This constant moaning about him hasn't and will not work, Mr Lowe is still here! And will be until the club is successful enough to attract a new investor. That way he gets the money he wants to leave. Let it go people, believe me you will be a lot happier. As for Dyer my opinion is he's let himself and family down, the fact he has brought shame on SFC is bye the bye. I hope he goes now, for all his footballing attributes, there will be another young man coming through or out there who wants the chance to prove themselves. Hasn't Man United let five quality young players go? No the young man has serious thinking to do to make himself and family proud again, if he can't see that Southampton F.C can help him with that then thats his choice. As a club we have to move on and not be distracted. I'm for one is happy with Jan's approach and willing to embrace his Dutch revolution, who knows Lowe might have actually got this one right? Wouldn't that be a turn up for the books? Hope we even get an Orange 3rd strip, it would brighten the gloomy winter away days.
Josh, Lymington says...
11:59am Tue 1 Jul 08
Kick the thief out!!!!!!!!
realist, says...
12:01pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Glad Powell has gone - useless tosser - sorry Jermaine Wright has been kept on. Don't know aboutOstlund, but he never did much, likewise Idiakez.
Licka would have been worth a punt, but if Surman and Skacel (wishful thinking?) combine down the left, he wasn't needed.
There are bound to be more comings and goings before the season but it looks a well-balanced squad - and we can even afford to let that allegedly thieving, greedy disloyal little sh*te Dyer go and still have a good outfit.
Suggest, to trim the 6 strikers down to 5 or even 4, they listen to offers for Rasiak (if he doesn't want to play) and definitely for Dyer's partner in crime, Plug, er, sorry, I mean Wright-Phillips.
Graham, Herts says...
12:05pm Tue 1 Jul 08
I have noticed that a few of my postings just disappear.
Today's was attached to 'Sailor Sam's' which has also gone.
They were both innocuous and promoted the " innocent til proved guilty" line.
I appreciate the Echo can delete what they like so just curious if anyone knows what rules they follow.
Some of the statements on the sites are a bit strong, a few offensive and many simply wrong.
Frankie, w says...
12:11pm Tue 1 Jul 08
how often do we hear this from dogooders apologising for yet another criminal act
Dyer has a responsibility that goes with being a public figure. he also earns a great deal of money,far more than the average fan supporting him ,s o he doesn't need to steal, it was done because he was drunk and he didn't think he would get caught ! a lad from a council estate with no other skill would have been banged up by now and no one would have thought much about it
the general attitude towards him is because he doesn't appear grateful that the club have supported him so far and wants to go somewhere better
I don't think there is any where better for him !
sailor sam, portsmouth says...
12:20pm Tue 1 Jul 08
I entered a similar post a few hours ago, but note that The Echo, in its wisdom, pulled it, which makes a change from being told that I have not entered the right security code, and blanking my post.
It appears that they would like me to read posts, but do not want me to comment.
So much for democracy!
jon, says...
12:26pm Tue 1 Jul 08
CUCUMBER, chandlers ford says...
12:31pm Tue 1 Jul 08
redarmy wrote:That's harsh on Dyer.. WE MUST GET OSTLUND BACK!
CUCUMBER wrote:Ostlund left weeks ago,after vacating his ocean village appartment... i have a friend who did his cleaning- she told me,and she aint one to lie...
We are getting better players in, we don't need him. Can I just ask- on the Saints Web site it shows the team, but where is Alexander Ostlund, Darren Powell, etc. How can we cope with four defenders... ? Just aking.
as for Powell,glad he's gone too...most useless ever defender i have seen!!
As for Dyer...he is just that on the pitch...DYER!! awful player,thinks he's it..kick the little tw4t out of the club!!
WE NEED ALEXANDER OSTLUND!
Myself, says...
12:42pm Tue 1 Jul 08
SFC4EVA, Soton says...
12:44pm Tue 1 Jul 08
I know we are a long way off the start of the season but anyone got any thoughts/news/rumors on any defenders?
matty, southampton says...
12:45pm Tue 1 Jul 08
A Dyer Situation, In a field near Staplewood says...
12:54pm Tue 1 Jul 08
If he has dillusions of granduer and thinks that a prem club is going to want to sign him then let him go. He will soon come running back asking for his contract to which he should be told to F off!!!
..., says...
12:58pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Mike, Soton says...
1:02pm Tue 1 Jul 08
only one not blind, southampton says...
1:08pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Costa Baz, says...
1:13pm Tue 1 Jul 08
sailor sam wrote:I agree that they need to go through the court process, but having seen the video footage, I will be very surprised if Dyer is found not guilty.
I agree with Reality, although things look bad for Dyer and Wright-Phillips, they should at least go through the formality of a trial before a verdict is reached. I entered a similar post a few hours ago, but note that The Echo, in its wisdom, pulled it, which makes a change from being told that I have not entered the right security code, and blanking my post. It appears that they would like me to read posts, but do not want me to comment. So much for democracy!
Dyer was more active than BWP, in having a good look in the bags, so may have left DNA inside a bag, from which something was stolen.
Not sure how the law stands if he has not been found in possession of any missing items, though. Conspiracy to steal?
Reality seems to be suggesting that "being drunk" may have been the cause of action, but is that an acceptable reason for allegedly committing a crime? I believe not in the eyes of the law.
Ken, Stubbington says...
1:20pm Tue 1 Jul 08
redarmy, Southampton says...
1:29pm Tue 1 Jul 08
jon wrote:jon,imo he isnt even GOOD enough to get a contract in the first place!! he has put himself and the club to shame,he is lightweight and greedy on the pitch,not a team player and thinks the sun shines from his ar5e... give him a chance you say?? the club have by offering him a contract-hence a lifeline to put a few things right.. but no,he is a greedy little b4stard who is fooled if he thinks anybody else will want him.
You cant blame dyer not signing a new contract, what with the credit crunch & all he is holding out for a bigger wage. We must remember he has been subsidising his income with his other profession untill he got caught. Give the poor lad a chance.
Mmmmm, here, there, everwhere says...
1:31pm Tue 1 Jul 08
only one not blind wrote:closest thing we have to a right back in the squad currently so I'd say it would be clinically insane to let him go. He's no flying full back but he's a steady enough option there and a better bet than Ostlund.
Please don't say that useless piece of **** Jermaine Wright has been kept on. Clinically Insane, really is!
Also does a good job as a holding midfielder as well.
Ian, North Baddesley says...
1:37pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Saint Ash, At work says...
1:38pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Makes silly mistakes defensivly and has very poor end product, when was the last time you saw him glide past a full back,get to the line and pull a cracking ball back?
mmmm thats what I thought, NEVER!
Go and play second fiddle somewhere else if you're not committed to the cause.COYR
Stu, New Forest says...
1:53pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Run along now, see you around as they say alas however, i feel for once not actually bothered a player could be leaving.
Ken, Stubbington says...
2:54pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Graham wrote:Usually if you've quoted someone else and what they said was dodgy, your post will be taken down too.
Idle curiosity again.
I have noticed that a few of my postings just disappear.
Today's was attached to 'Sailor Sam's' which has also gone.
They were both innocuous and promoted the " innocent til proved guilty" line.
I appreciate the Echo can delete what they like so just curious if anyone knows what rules they follow.
Some of the statements on the sites are a bit strong, a few offensive and many simply wrong.
Usually it depends if one of the posts has been reported I think, judging by the "Important Notice" below.
Saints since '57, Real world says...
3:22pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Dyer - Light weight, cant pass, no guts and wont make it with the big boys.
BWP - Never has understood the off -side rule and apart from a few flashes is below average for this division.
Let them both go NOW
Al, says...
3:23pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Ken wrote:I have notced that on the southampton website, in the team sction, the profiles of Idiakez, Ostlund, Powell and Licka have been removed.
Graham wrote: Idle curiosity again. I have noticed that a few of my postings just disappear. Today's was attached to 'Sailor Sam's' which has also gone. They were both innocuous and promoted the " innocent til proved guilty" line. I appreciate the Echo can delete what they like so just curious if anyone knows what rules they follow. Some of the statements on the sites are a bit strong, a few offensive and many simply wrong.Usually if you've quoted someone else and what they said was dodgy, your post will be taken down too. Usually it depends if one of the posts has been reported I think, judging by the "Important Notice" below.
I think this is another stupid signal that they have gon, yet Jermaine Wright has stayed an someithing is being arranged with Dyer.
Osama Bin Laden, A Cave far far away says...
3:33pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Release him and then watch him drown (and make rare appearances for greeenwich town)
the totton scrutineer, TOTTON says...
3:37pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Denzil, Chilworth says...
3:39pm Tue 1 Jul 08
milton road, alicante says...
3:43pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Denzil, Chilworth says...
3:48pm Tue 1 Jul 08
sailor sam wrote:They probably deleted it because all you spout is complete and utter rubbish.
I agree with Reality, although things look bad for Dyer and Wright-Phillips, they should at least go through the formality of a trial before a verdict is reached. I entered a similar post a few hours ago, but note that The Echo, in its wisdom, pulled it, which makes a change from being told that I have not entered the right security code, and blanking my post. It appears that they would like me to read posts, but do not want me to comment. So much for democracy!
Example, the other day you posted something about Pompey having a bigger fanbase than Southampton.
YOUR CUP FINAL TICKETS WENT ON GENERAL SALE YOU STUPID OLD MAN, ours were changing hands for four figure sums on the black market!
Worm your way out of that you washed up old man.
saints al gosport, gosport says...
3:51pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Reality wrote:hey come on mate its all on video kick him out and brad, why becuse they dont wanna play anyway and i think their charity days are over, and for your record none of us real fans are in the public eye,so we can get drunk and make mistakes,,,,, and its true pro footballers are thick as s.... i think the money talks for then
Innocent until proven guilty. Such a shame so many of the above idiots don't understand what this means.
Nathan Dyer is one of the nicest and most level headed players at Saints. Always willing to attend Charity and community events on behalf of the club (much like Wright-Phillips) but then no-one is interested in that eh? And of course, all the above have never ever done a stupid thing when drunk in their life eh?
"Welcome to Southampton, from where we shall pass judgement upon you from our Ivory tower"
BREAKING NEWS, SKY SPORTS NEWS CENTRE says...
3:51pm Tue 1 Jul 08
DYER SIGNS NEW CONTRACT WITH SAINTS
Nathan Dyer has signed a 3 year contract with Southampton Football Club, he had been in exile from training by manager Jan Poortvliet, Jan Poortvliet says "im glad he has signed, now i can work with and sort his on and off the pitch lifestyles"
King of the Kingsland, says...
4:01pm Tue 1 Jul 08
SFC4EVA wrote:I understand that Telfer is training with the squad and is looking for a contract!!
Just had a look at the '1st Team Squad' on the Saints Website. Looks like a good little squad. Only concerns are Goal Keeping and Defence. Same worrie with Davis and Bialkowski and we only have 4 defenders on the books and this proved to be our downfall over the last couple of seasons. I know we are a long way off the start of the season but anyone got any thoughts/news/rumors on any defenders?
True Blue, Fareham says...
4:13pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Myself wrote:What's so special about Pompey you ask. Well, for a start, they make you envious.
Whats so special about pompey, they were only lucky in the fa cup and 8th in the prem league
Mmmmm, here, there, everwhere says...
4:18pm Tue 1 Jul 08
King of the Kingsland wrote:I'd love to have Telfer back, I know the majority of fans think he is one of many 'worst player to wear the shirt' ever but I think he is a good, honest, hard working professional who shuns the limelight and is happy to keep his head down and work for the team.
SFC4EVA wrote: Just had a look at the '1st Team Squad' on the Saints Website. Looks like a good little squad. Only concerns are Goal Keeping and Defence. Same worrie with Davis and Bialkowski and we only have 4 defenders on the books and this proved to be our downfall over the last couple of seasons. I know we are a long way off the start of the season but anyone got any thoughts/news/rumors on any defenders?I understand that Telfer is training with the squad and is looking for a contract!!
Having seen him play a blinder the season before last for Celtic (keeping Ronaldo quiet no less) he'd have more than enough quality for the CCC and he's probably fitter than most of the youth.
Oh and also he voluntarily cancelled his contract with Bournemouth last season because he was injured and they were potless.... the kind of player we are sorely lacking in this day and age.
sailor sam, portsmouth says...
4:26pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Denzil wrote:So Southampton fans were selling their tickets rather than go to the cup final and 'support' their team. Says a lot for Saints fans doesn't it.
sailor sam wrote: I agree with Reality, although things look bad for Dyer and Wright-Phillips, they should at least go through the formality of a trial before a verdict is reached. I entered a similar post a few hours ago, but note that The Echo, in its wisdom, pulled it, which makes a change from being told that I have not entered the right security code, and blanking my post. It appears that they would like me to read posts, but do not want me to comment. So much for democracy!They probably deleted it because all you spout is complete and utter rubbish. Example, the other day you posted something about Pompey having a bigger fanbase than Southampton. YOUR CUP FINAL TICKETS WENT ON GENERAL SALE YOU STUPID OLD MAN, ours were changing hands for four figure sums on the black market! Worm your way out of that you washed up old man.
Mmmmm, here, there, everwhere says...
4:30pm Tue 1 Jul 08
sailor sam wrote:but, but, but..... er...... ummmm.... oh!
Denzil wrote:So Southampton fans were selling their tickets rather than go to the cup final and 'support' their team. Says a lot for Saints fans doesn't it.sailor sam wrote: I agree with Reality, although things look bad for Dyer and Wright-Phillips, they should at least go through the formality of a trial before a verdict is reached. I entered a similar post a few hours ago, but note that The Echo, in its wisdom, pulled it, which makes a change from being told that I have not entered the right security code, and blanking my post. It appears that they would like me to read posts, but do not want me to comment. So much for democracy!They probably deleted it because all you spout is complete and utter rubbish. Example, the other day you posted something about Pompey having a bigger fanbase than Southampton. YOUR CUP FINAL TICKETS WENT ON GENERAL SALE YOU STUPID OLD MAN, ours were changing hands for four figure sums on the black market! Worm your way out of that you washed up old man.
Condor Man, Southampton says...
4:57pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Ian Wright's been discussing Joey Barton on Talk Sport this afternoon, carefully diverting attention from his lad and Dyer. I hope neither play for us again.
Graham, Herts says...
5:22pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Denzil wrote:I see the intellectual giants have come out to play.
sailor sam wrote: I agree with Reality, although things look bad for Dyer and Wright-Phillips, they should at least go through the formality of a trial before a verdict is reached. I entered a similar post a few hours ago, but note that The Echo, in its wisdom, pulled it, which makes a change from being told that I have not entered the right security code, and blanking my post. It appears that they would like me to read posts, but do not want me to comment. So much for democracy!They probably deleted it because all you spout is complete and utter rubbish. Example, the other day you posted something about Pompey having a bigger fanbase than Southampton. YOUR CUP FINAL TICKETS WENT ON GENERAL SALE YOU STUPID OLD MAN, ours were changing hands for four figure sums on the black market! Worm your way out of that you washed up old man.
I thought the REAL DEAL was "Mine's bigger than yours. Yaa Boo!!"
exetersaint, says...
5:33pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Condor Man, Southampton says...
5:53pm Tue 1 Jul 08
As for Pompey having a bigger fan base we'll have to wait and see when they evidentually get their new stadium.
Myself, says...
6:03pm Tue 1 Jul 08
True Blue wrote:Pompey fluked the fa cup they are only signing Reading's reject players
Myself wrote: Whats so special about pompey, they were only lucky in the fa cup and 8th in the prem leagueWhat\'s so special about Pompey you ask. Well, for a start, they make you envious.
realist, says...
7:11pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Dick Van Dyke, says...
7:35pm Tue 1 Jul 08
realist wrote:Heard coventry want rasiak, should let him go as soon as possible!
So, they haven't released the retained list, but you can work it out for yourself from the official site and the team section. Compared to a week ago, Ostlund, Powell, Idiakez and Licka have disappeared and the young 'keeper Pernecky is back in the under-18s. Glad Powell has gone - useless tosser - sorry Jermaine Wright has been kept on. Don't know aboutOstlund, but he never did much, likewise Idiakez. Licka would have been worth a punt, but if Surman and Skacel (wishful thinking?) combine down the left, he wasn't needed. There are bound to be more comings and goings before the season but it looks a well-balanced squad - and we can even afford to let that allegedly thieving, greedy disloyal little sh*te Dyer go and still have a good outfit. Suggest, to trim the 6 strikers down to 5 or even 4, they listen to offers for Rasiak (if he doesn't want to play) and definitely for Dyer's partner in crime, Plug, er, sorry, I mean Wright-Phillips.
Sean Whelan, Southampton says...
7:39pm Tue 1 Jul 08
SAINTS WILL GO UP THIS YEAR I JUST KNOW IT
True Blue, Fareham says...
7:57pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Myself wrote:To reinforce a practically 100% International squad, which still makes you envious.
True Blue wrote:Pompey fluked the fa cup they are only signing Reading's reject playersMyself wrote: Whats so special about pompey, they were only lucky in the fa cup and 8th in the prem leagueWhat\'s so special about Pompey you ask. Well, for a start, they make you envious.
saintsteveyboy, says...
7:59pm Tue 1 Jul 08
rational, says...
8:23pm Tue 1 Jul 08
saintsteveyboy wrote:That's not spin - it's great management!
Don't be fooled by the spin being put on Nathan Dyer being stopped from training with the first team. It's pure politics By Rupert Lowe. He knows very well and has done for 9 months that Dyer has no intention of staying with Saints. The only reason he has offered him a contract is so Saints can get a better deal when his fee is decided independently by the F.A. If the club doesn't offer Dyer a reasonable deal the fee will be reduced because the F.A. will take the view the club didn't want him any way. So come on Rupert/Jan stop playing games and treat the fans like adults please.
Do you want him to put out a press release to tell the fans that's his plan? If so, at the tribunal any future club will point to that and will get the player for nothing at all.
So come on Rupert/Jan, keep up the good work and keep doing the best for our club.
sailor sam, portsmouth says...
8:29pm Tue 1 Jul 08
rational wrote:Well said Rational! When people are so anti-Lowe, unfortunately it makes the irrational!
saintsteveyboy wrote: Don't be fooled by the spin being put on Nathan Dyer being stopped from training with the first team. It's pure politics By Rupert Lowe. He knows very well and has done for 9 months that Dyer has no intention of staying with Saints. The only reason he has offered him a contract is so Saints can get a better deal when his fee is decided independently by the F.A. If the club doesn't offer Dyer a reasonable deal the fee will be reduced because the F.A. will take the view the club didn't want him any way. So come on Rupert/Jan stop playing games and treat the fans like adults please.That's not spin - it's great management! Do you want him to put out a press release to tell the fans that's his plan? If so, at the tribunal any future club will point to that and will get the player for nothing at all. So come on Rupert/Jan, keep up the good work and keep doing the best for our club.
Barnacle Bill, Somewhere on the high sea says...
8:36pm Tue 1 Jul 08
bar blu manager, southsea says...
9:29pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Super Legend Davs 74, woolston says...
9:36pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Watch'u talkin 'bout Nathan?
Denzil, Chilworth says...
9:37pm Tue 1 Jul 08
sailor sam wrote:You talk rubbish you stupid unemployed washed up old man. Probably been drinking Special Brew on a park bench again.
rational wrote:Well said Rational! When people are so anti-Lowe, unfortunately it makes the irrational!saintsteveyboy wrote: Don't be fooled by the spin being put on Nathan Dyer being stopped from training with the first team. It's pure politics By Rupert Lowe. He knows very well and has done for 9 months that Dyer has no intention of staying with Saints. The only reason he has offered him a contract is so Saints can get a better deal when his fee is decided independently by the F.A. If the club doesn't offer Dyer a reasonable deal the fee will be reduced because the F.A. will take the view the club didn't want him any way. So come on Rupert/Jan stop playing games and treat the fans like adults please.That's not spin - it's great management! Do you want him to put out a press release to tell the fans that's his plan? If so, at the tribunal any future club will point to that and will get the player for nothing at all. So come on Rupert/Jan, keep up the good work and keep doing the best for our club.
Alvin, Winchester says...
9:56pm Tue 1 Jul 08
hungerford saint, you will never guess says...
9:57pm Tue 1 Jul 08
show some grit play for the club thats paying your wages play with the heart your fans have whilst supporting you no one man is bigger than the club put up shut up or get the hell out we need the players the board and fans to be pulling in the same direction if we are going to get back in the premiership. C.O.Y.R
looking forward to the new season make it worth while
Scott, Southampton says...
10:19pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Graham wrote:I completely agree Graham. On numerous occasions I have reported posts for having nothing to do with the headline story and posts that incite violence yet The Echo have left these posts on this site. What are the rules as to what can stay and what gets taken off? Answers on a postcard...
Idle curiosity again. I have noticed that a few of my postings just disappear. Today's was attached to 'Sailor Sam's' which has also gone. They were both innocuous and promoted the " innocent til proved guilty" line. I appreciate the Echo can delete what they like so just curious if anyone knows what rules they follow. Some of the statements on the sites are a bit strong, a few offensive and many simply wrong.
Somerset Saint, Somerset says...
10:57pm Tue 1 Jul 08
realist wrote:Am I the only one that would actually like to see Licka stay at SMS. The times I saw him play for us, I thought he worked hard and was quite creative in midfield.
hey great news. They\\\'ve taken Jermaine Wright\\\'s picture off the official site team page this afternoon - so that must mean he\\\'s going, too. Result. Dyer, Idiakez, Powell, Wright, Licka and Ostlund all in one go. Only BWP still to go and we\\\'re laughing. Champagne anyone?
I would definitely get rid of sick-note Powell. He was ok when he played but he's an expensive passenger most of the time and we can't afford them.
As for Telfer re-joining, I hope that's a wind up. He was definitely a good player for us a few years back. He did the simple things well and was a very reliable, if somewhat unspectacular player. But now, I have an issue with his age (although, that said Lucketti at 36 did a good job for us at the end of last season).
sailor sam, portsmouth says...
11:16pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Denzil wrote:Possibly! But I did not sell my FA Cup semi-final ticket on the black market, nor my FA Cup final ticket, and will not be selling my Charity Shield one either.
sailor sam wrote:You talk rubbish you stupid unemployed washed up old man. Probably been drinking Special Brew on a park bench again.rational wrote:Well said Rational! When people are so anti-Lowe, unfortunately it makes the irrational!saintsteveyboy wrote: Don't be fooled by the spin being put on Nathan Dyer being stopped from training with the first team. It's pure politics By Rupert Lowe. He knows very well and has done for 9 months that Dyer has no intention of staying with Saints. The only reason he has offered him a contract is so Saints can get a better deal when his fee is decided independently by the F.A. If the club doesn't offer Dyer a reasonable deal the fee will be reduced because the F.A. will take the view the club didn't want him any way. So come on Rupert/Jan stop playing games and treat the fans like adults please.That's not spin - it's great management! Do you want him to put out a press release to tell the fans that's his plan? If so, at the tribunal any future club will point to that and will get the player for nothing at all. So come on Rupert/Jan, keep up the good work and keep doing the best for our club.
I don't think I would even be tempted if I were skint and living in Chilworth.
Realist, Southampton says...
11:23pm Tue 1 Jul 08
As for the off the field antics, I don't believe it and feel there must be an innocent explanation. Being charged does not mean you are guilty. I also doubt if they would have charged these players if they were not high profile. It is odd that in the time gone by Hampshire Police have been unable to identify the other three in the pictures, nor have they gone national by showing the pictures on Crime Watch. It is not a crime to look in a girls handbag, it might be a lark, but if unknown others steal, then you are in trouble. Guilty by association. Why did it take two weeks to involve the police?
If Nathan is to leave then I wish him the best of luck for his future. I would love to see him as a success, not just for the lad but for Saints too, the more good lads we produce the more promising youngster will flock to our academy, and barring the multi millionaire, this is our only route back to Premiership in the long term.
One word of advice for Nathan, what would your Grandma have said, maybe sack your agent, and make your own decision, don't let these money boys kick you around like a football.
Denzil, Chilworth says...
11:47pm Tue 1 Jul 08
sailor sam wrote:Neither did I. Fact is some people need money more than others and a four figure sum was too good to turn down for a £50 ticket.
Denzil wrote:Possibly! But I did not sell my FA Cup semi-final ticket on the black market, nor my FA Cup final ticket, and will not be selling my Charity Shield one either. I don't think I would even be tempted if I were skint and living in Chilworth.sailor sam wrote:You talk rubbish you stupid unemployed washed up old man. Probably been drinking Special Brew on a park bench again.rational wrote:Well said Rational! When people are so anti-Lowe, unfortunately it makes the irrational!saintsteveyboy wrote: Don't be fooled by the spin being put on Nathan Dyer being stopped from training with the first team. It's pure politics By Rupert Lowe. He knows very well and has done for 9 months that Dyer has no intention of staying with Saints. The only reason he has offered him a contract is so Saints can get a better deal when his fee is decided independently by the F.A. If the club doesn't offer Dyer a reasonable deal the fee will be reduced because the F.A. will take the view the club didn't want him any way. So come on Rupert/Jan stop playing games and treat the fans like adults please.That's not spin - it's great management! Do you want him to put out a press release to tell the fans that's his plan? If so, at the tribunal any future club will point to that and will get the player for nothing at all. So come on Rupert/Jan, keep up the good work and keep doing the best for our club.
Your tickets went on GENERAL SALE.
Bigger fanbase, PMSL.
Denzil, Chilworth says...
11:54pm Tue 1 Jul 08
True Blue wrote:5 Reasons to be jealous of Pompey,
Myself wrote: Whats so special about pompey, they were only lucky in the fa cup and 8th in the prem leagueWhat's so special about Pompey you ask. Well, for a start, they make you envious.
1. world class stadium
2. Excellent training ground ( in Eastleigh )
3. outstanding academy which produces lots of great players
4. Pompey is home to the youngest convicted football hooligan who is also a girl
5. everyone can have a cup final ticket because they end up on general sale
Yeah well envious mate
realist, says...
11:57pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Realist wrote:Look, if you have to post such crass opinions, please do not appropriae my soubriquet, especially as your comments make a total mockery of what mine stands for......
Nathan is a lovely lad and I for one would like to see him in a SAINTS shirt next season. I am lucky enough to have met him and learned about him and his background. I met Shearer at a similar age and found them both well balanced lads. I did learn that Nathan has the same agent as Ashley Cole and I have always feared that this would not be in Southampton's interest. As for the off the field antics, I don't believe it and feel there must be an innocent explanation. Being charged does not mean you are guilty. I also doubt if they would have charged these players if they were not high profile. It is odd that in the time gone by Hampshire Police have been unable to identify the other three in the pictures, nor have they gone national by showing the pictures on Crime Watch. It is not a crime to look in a girls handbag, it might be a lark, but if unknown others steal, then you are in trouble. Guilty by association. Why did it take two weeks to involve the police? If Nathan is to leave then I wish him the best of luck for his future. I would love to see him as a success, not just for the lad but for Saints too, the more good lads we produce the more promising youngster will flock to our academy, and barring the multi millionaire, this is our only route back to Premiership in the long term. One word of advice for Nathan, what would your Grandma have said, maybe sack your agent, and make your own decision, don't let these money boys kick you around like a football.
You are as much a realist as the man who said he thought Nathan Dyer was better than a mediocre player....
GET YOUR OWN IDENTITY AND STOP NICKING MINE
sailor sam, portsmouth says...
9:22am Wed 2 Jul 08
Denzil wrote:As a person is known by the company they keep, I would prefer that you do not refer to me as 'Mate', which could be interpreted that you and I are close friends.
True Blue wrote:5 Reasons to be jealous of Pompey, 1. world class stadium 2. Excellent training ground ( in Eastleigh ) 3. outstanding academy which produces lots of great players 4. Pompey is home to the youngest convicted football hooligan who is also a girl 5. everyone can have a cup final ticket because they end up on general sale Yeah well envious mateMyself wrote: Whats so special about pompey, they were only lucky in the fa cup and 8th in the prem leagueWhat\'s so special about Pompey you ask. Well, for a start, they make you envious.
With regard your list, try:1
1. Home of a Premier League football club (the only one on the South coast).
2. Home of the current FA Cup holders.
3. Home of a football club that can field a team of International footballers.
4. Home of a club that has no players accused of stealing from a barmaid's handbag.
5. Denzil lives more than 15 miles away!
pompey 657, bristol says...
10:07am Wed 2 Jul 08
crew 657., new forest says...
2:57pm Wed 2 Jul 08
Denzil wrote:Reasons to be jealous of Pompey,
True Blue wrote:5 Reasons to be jealous of Pompey,
Myself wrote: Whats so special about pompey, they were only lucky in the fa cup and 8th in the prem leagueWhat's so special about Pompey you ask. Well, for a start, they make you envious.
1. world class stadium
2. Excellent training ground ( in Eastleigh )
3. outstanding academy which produces lots of great players
4. Pompey is home to the youngest convicted football hooligan who is also a girl
5. everyone can have a cup final ticket because they end up on general sale
Yeah well envious mate
1. world class stadium
2. Noisiest support in the UK
3. Outstanding fans who chase scum out of their own town
4. Pompey took the joiners and ALWAYS show at a meet unlike scum
5. live in decent areas not slums like millbrook or sholing
Denzil, Chilworth says...
5:36pm Wed 2 Jul 08
sailor sam wrote:Scrapyard Sam, my post was aimed at true blue few you stupid old man. Actually you are probably the same person. Sad lonely washed up old man.
Denzil wrote:As a person is known by the company they keep, I would prefer that you do not refer to me as 'Mate', which could be interpreted that you and I are close friends. With regard your list, try:1 1. Home of a Premier League football club (the only one on the South coast). 2. Home of the current FA Cup holders. 3. Home of a football club that can field a team of International footballers. 4. Home of a club that has no players accused of stealing from a barmaid's handbag. 5. Denzil lives more than 15 miles away!True Blue wrote:5 Reasons to be jealous of Pompey, 1. world class stadium 2. Excellent training ground ( in Eastleigh ) 3. outstanding academy which produces lots of great players 4. Pompey is home to the youngest convicted football hooligan who is also a girl 5. everyone can have a cup final ticket because they end up on general sale Yeah well envious mateMyself wrote: Whats so special about pompey, they were only lucky in the fa cup and 8th in the prem leagueWhat\'s so special about Pompey you ask. Well, for a start, they make you envious.
Denzil, Chilworth says...
5:39pm Wed 2 Jul 08
pompey 657 wrote:Another stupid illiterate skate. Oh yeah drop the 657 thing it's not the 1970's you stupid knob. Bet you're about 14 and live at home with your mum/sister.
we woll allways be bibber than scum we allways have been and allways will be just keep reduceing your ground you load of scummy pr-cks o i hear thats noise again WEMBERLYYYYYYYYYY
Denzil, Chilworth says...
5:48pm Wed 2 Jul 08
crew 657. wrote:1. Worst ground in the top 2, possibly 3 divisions.
Denzil wrote:Reasons to be jealous of Pompey, 1. world class stadium 2. Noisiest support in the UK 3. Outstanding fans who chase scum out of their own town 4. Pompey took the joiners and ALWAYS show at a meet unlike scum 5. live in decent areas not slums like millbrook or sholingTrue Blue wrote:5 Reasons to be jealous of Pompey, 1. world class stadium 2. Excellent training ground ( in Eastleigh ) 3. outstanding academy which produces lots of great players 4. Pompey is home to the youngest convicted football hooligan who is also a girl 5. everyone can have a cup final ticket because they end up on general sale Yeah well envious mateMyself wrote: Whats so special about pompey, they were only lucky in the fa cup and 8th in the prem leagueWhat's so special about Pompey you ask. Well, for a start, they make you envious.
2. ha ha ha total boll0x, funny how it's only Pompey fans who say that. Try Rangers or Celtic.
3.Errrrrr when was this exactly fish boy?
4. You NEVER took The Joiners you little liar. 10O Pompey boys on their toes LMAO.
5. Paulsgrove, Somerstown, Fratton, Southsea, Copnor, North End?! Pompey is a complete dump that's why you live in a caravan in The New Forest. You are nothing.
sailor sam, portsmouth says...
9:30pm Wed 2 Jul 08
Denzil wrote:Not True Blue, he lives in Fareham, which is a bit nearer to Chilworth than me, and not far enough for my liking.
sailor sam wrote:Scrapyard Sam, my post was aimed at true blue few you stupid old man. Actually you are probably the same person. Sad lonely washed up old man.Denzil wrote:As a person is known by the company they keep, I would prefer that you do not refer to me as 'Mate', which could be interpreted that you and I are close friends. With regard your list, try:1 1. Home of a Premier League football club (the only one on the South coast). 2. Home of the current FA Cup holders. 3. Home of a football club that can field a team of International footballers. 4. Home of a club that has no players accused of stealing from a barmaid's handbag. 5. Denzil lives more than 15 miles away!True Blue wrote:5 Reasons to be jealous of Pompey, 1. world class stadium 2. Excellent training ground ( in Eastleigh ) 3. outstanding academy which produces lots of great players 4. Pompey is home to the youngest convicted football hooligan who is also a girl 5. everyone can have a cup final ticket because they end up on general sale Yeah well envious mateMyself wrote: Whats so special about pompey, they were only lucky in the fa cup and 8th in the prem leagueWhat\'s so special about Pompey you ask. Well, for a start, they make you envious.
When commenting on your drivel, I did not want you to refer to me as 'mate', for the reasons given.
Who in their right mind would want to be associated with the Rat Refugee from Romsey!
Denzil, Chilworth says...
6:05pm Thu 3 Jul 08
sailor sam wrote:Are you blind or what? Look back through the quoting you stupid old man. My post with the word "mate" in was aimed at true blue. Even if it was aimed at you then you should understand sarcasim at your age. Go back to your scrapyard. Stupid washed up old man.
Denzil wrote:Not True Blue, he lives in Fareham, which is a bit nearer to Chilworth than me, and not far enough for my liking. When commenting on your drivel, I did not want you to refer to me as 'mate', for the reasons given. Who in their right mind would want to be associated with the Rat Refugee from Romsey!sailor sam wrote:Scrapyard Sam, my post was aimed at true blue few you stupid old man. Actually you are probably the same person. Sad lonely washed up old man.Denzil wrote:As a person is known by the company they keep, I would prefer that you do not refer to me as 'Mate', which could be interpreted that you and I are close friends. With regard your list, try:1 1. Home of a Premier League football club (the only one on the South coast). 2. Home of the current FA Cup holders. 3. Home of a football club that can field a team of International footballers. 4. Home of a club that has no players accused of stealing from a barmaid's handbag. 5. Denzil lives more than 15 miles away!True Blue wrote:5 Reasons to be jealous of Pompey, 1. world class stadium 2. Excellent training ground ( in Eastleigh ) 3. outstanding academy which produces lots of great players 4. Pompey is home to the youngest convicted football hooligan who is also a girl 5. everyone can have a cup final ticket because they end up on general sale Yeah well envious mateMyself wrote: Whats so special about pompey, they were only lucky in the fa cup and 8th in the prem leagueWhat\'s so special about Pompey you ask. Well, for a start, they make you envious.
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Condor Man, Southampton says...
8:12am Tue 1 Jul 08
All this is dependant on you not going to prison in the Autumn.