Well 2 games in and one of the senior players looks to be challenging the system and insists the team needs aplan B!
Looks to me that we need a Plan let alone a plan B cos whilst we look to be playing pretty total football we seriously lack any cutting edge!
I think the youngsters are doing their best but think its a real big ask as if they dont get any poinyts on the board soon then confidence will go and we could be in serious threat of relagation.
I know we have to givethem a chance due to finances but lets get real we neeed more than a plan A,B or C at the momment we need Full Backs / A Good Expierienced Central Midfielder to compliment the excellent Schneiderlin + further options up front now Sage / Rasiak Etc have gone.
Me personally, I still am hoping for that investor to come along as whilst I admire and want to encourage the youngsters I just believe its to big an ask for them to succeed in the Championship.
Can anyone seriously say if the rumours about Shearer etc and the promised investment are true they wouldn't welcome it with open arms, the only sad thing would be that perhaps a what appears a very decent coach & man in Jan P might find himself on the heap.
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Should of kept Nigel Pearson as word from staplewood is most of the players are totally dissillusioned with Poortaloo and Mark "Ive been sacked again" Wotte.

I love Jan he does exactly what i tell him to do and i love the fact im buying players.

Mind you why did we fund wages for another goalkeeper and two midfielders ?

We might have to sell of Surman now to pay their wages !

Pleased in defeat ?

Can you pay for a refund for the £26 i paid out you numnut.

I have some sympathy for the manager as he's just out of his depth and not even being backed by Lowe, who I suspect will soon distance himself from Poortvliet and if (when?) results get worse, Lowe will blame Wilde for the appointment of the dutch duo.

In this league, you can't afford to have a manager learning as we go along. But of course, the priority for Lowe was just to appoint someone who will do exactly what Rupert wants. Lowe is meddling in the first team yet again. He'll never change, he's a megalomaniac.

Going by the previous comments you would of thought we lost 5-0 to Hull or something..

We lost to the favorites for the league 2-1 and the performance seemed good for the first 45mins. Again we need to keep it going for the full 90 but shows we can play good stuff.

Points will soon come.

Anyone who has actually seen Saints play (as opposed to whingeing from behind thier PC's) would agree with JP's summary.Saints have played some excellent football.They have come up against FA Cup finalists (away) and then played a dead cert promotion team.
It was always going to be a difficult start.Of course the negative whingers (a small thich-headed minority as proved by the way the Saints team were applauded off the ground Saturday) will be happy with the last two results but most true fans will stick behind the team.

David wrote:
Anyone who has actually seen Saints play (as opposed to whingeing from behind thier PC's) would agree with JP's summary.Saints have played some excellent football.They have come up against FA Cup finalists (away) and then played a dead cert promotion team. It was always going to be a difficult start.Of course the negative whingers (a small thich-headed minority as proved by the way the Saints team were applauded off the ground Saturday) will be happy with the last two results but most true fans will stick behind the team.

I agree with his analysis of the game and I believe that this young side will learn very quickly and start to pick up some very good wins. My problem is if Andrew Davies and Drew Surman go then where is our depth in defence.
We cannot expect Killer to last the whole season and play the way he currently is, it's not going to happen, he will need spells out of the team.
With a small defence we are in trouble.

Desperate wrote:

David wrote: Anyone who has actually seen Saints play (as opposed to whingeing from behind thier PC's) would agree with JP's summary.Saints have played some excellent football.They have come up against FA Cup finalists (away) and then played a dead cert promotion team. It was always going to be a difficult start.Of course the negative whingers (a small thich-headed minority as proved by the way the Saints team were applauded off the ground Saturday) will be happy with the last two results but most true fans will stick behind the team.

I agree with his analysis of the game and I believe that this young side will learn very quickly and start to pick up some very good wins. My problem is if Andrew Davies and Drew Surman go then where is our depth in defence. We cannot expect Killer to last the whole season and play the way he currently is, it's not going to happen, he will need spells out of the team. With a small defence we are in trouble.

sgree wholeheartedly with both posts, everyone is dong gtheir best and we do seem to be playing good stuff with lots of enthusiasm so yes it will bring us wins but the strength in depth thing as a massive concern, Combine that with the fans being patient and yet supportive during this transition i fear the selling of both Davies & Drew will put this great club on the precipice in terms of revolt and further dwindling attendances. Saints fans show great support and desperately want to keep the faith but we need an Icon of Le Tiss type stature t unite behind and without Killer always being in the team we are to lightweight and without match winners.

We are facing the MOST CRUCIAL period in our history this season, We MUST get it right.

Desperate wrote:

David wrote: Anyone who has actually seen Saints play (as opposed to whingeing from behind thier PC\\\'s) would agree with JP\\\'s summary.Saints have played some excellent football.They have come up against FA Cup finalists (away) and then played a dead cert promotion team. It was always going to be a difficult start.Of course the negative whingers (a small thich-headed minority as proved by the way the Saints team were applauded off the ground Saturday) will be happy with the last two results but most true fans will stick behind the team.

I agree with his analysis of the game and I believe that this young side will learn very quickly and start to pick up some very good wins. My problem is if Andrew Davies and Drew Surman go then where is our depth in defence. We cannot expect Killer to last the whole season and play the way he currently is, it\\\'s not going to happen, he will need spells out of the team. With a small defence we are in trouble.

Well said Desperate. We started well but conceding so quickly after half-time obviously had a bad effect on our young and inexperienced team.

I agree with Skintsaint - points will come I'm sure of it and there is a long way to go. It will take a few games to get used to the play and the new manager so get behind the boys - the time to start worrying will be if we're in the bottom three come Xmas...

COYR!!

Things aren't that bad, we lost to a team dead cert for promotion 2-1, whereas Pompey lost 4-0 to the dead certs for the league, all hail scolari lol !!!

Losing on the pitch despite playing well and then selling our best players really is the way to raise the plyers and fans morale. Rupert please give someone else the key to you office and just fcuk off. Now that really would lift morale.

Alot of you need to get a girlfriend, all you moaners.

I'm not a lowe/crouch/wilde fan.........I AM A SAINTS fan. Think alot of you are forgetting about what happens on the pitch.

We are a laughing stock and the board are responsible. But also us the fans are a complete mess and an open goal from abuse from them lot down the road.

Get laid or buy a mag then come back and support your team.

An awkward situation where we owed a 11 million was intensified by the giving of 7 million for players by Crouch and Wilde. This has directly contributed to the problems Saints now face. Relegation was not foreseen but that debt was evident when Crouch and Wilde splashed out. It was niave,stupid and was a smaller version of Risdale and Leeds.
We need a young striker who can compliment McGoldrick, a player who can find the net and has pace. We lose Davies and look at another midfield player. The club is desperate for a takeover and if merrington does not step in, then expect Saints to struggle.
The young players need more stamina and no one doubts their efforts for the club. we need a a goalscorer to take the pressure off, one who could deliver the goods.
SISU have pumped money into Coventry and cleared double Saints debt and given money for players. Hpow short sighted of our directors to lose this opportunity as they squabble like children, Coventry are sitting top of the table.

Mcleish needed to go at his players and the team had to give everything they had to turn game around according to Birmingham website. This was a hard earned victory for bookies favourites. No disgrace Saints, come on give the young lads confidence and hope.

No disgrace in that performance at all. Brum chased shadows for the first half and it is testament to their strength and ability that they took all 3 points. I know it's a cliche but if we had taken all of our well engineered chances then it would have been a very different story. Kev Phillips was always gonna score especially after the abuse he received... was fun though.....I saw enough in the game to mske me think the nippers will do alright... but not if we turn on them. Blackpool at home... first win in a very tough first month. COYRs.

A correction. SISU did not clear all of Coventry City's debts. Three previous directors, Robinson, McGinnity and the late Sir Derek Higgs, jointly wrote off £22.5M of which Geoffrey Robinson's write off was £19M. True SISU wrote off the remainder and are putting in additional funds to improve the team and training facilities (already at premiership standard) and take up the club's half share option on the Ricoh Arena complex (a real money spinner). Nevertheless SISU are clearly good for Coventry City and the city in general and have the trust of the City Council, the other half share owners of the complex.
The revamp took some very brave and generous actions from the previous board. Afterall how many of us would be prepared to 'donate' eg £19M to a charity operating in the guise of a professional football club?
Cheers. R J Peel (38 years a CCFC season ticket holder).

David wrote:
Anyone who has actually seen Saints play (as opposed to whingeing from behind thier PC\'s) would agree with JP\'s summary.Saints have played some excellent football.They have come up against FA Cup finalists (away) and then played a dead cert promotion team. It was always going to be a difficult start.Of course the negative whingers (a small thich-headed minority as proved by the way the Saints team were applauded off the ground Saturday) will be happy with the last two results but most true fans will stick behind the team.

This is not a total true reflection is it.

I have seen Saints play and can only partly agree with you.

Saying Cardif are cup finalist always makes me laugh a little. To be a cup finalist, you only have to win a few games to get there. It not like they are there every other year. On this note, may be we should of seen pompey thrashed chelsea, as they are FA cup winners. Cardif any time should be a beatable team anytime for Saints. Only thing you can say is we normally do not win on the first day, and also away from home.

As for birmingham, I am sorry. But if we are going to do anything this season, we should not focus or debate how big a teams is coming to St. Marys, if so there would be very little out there to beat, and this is so sad to think this way. We are at home, and this should be our fortress.

If Jan knew anything about the English league, and I am concerned that he is showing signs that he knows very little about his opposition. He should of been totaly aware of kp and the history, and as soon as he came on had him totaly hassled and bullied out of the game. No gaurantees I know, but awareness is everything, and we should of ended with a draw.

There is a sad pattern happen between Saints fans. When we beat someone, then we have comments like they are only a little team. Then when we lose, we have fans saying give them a chance and that we are playing a big team and should lose. Who justifing what here?

I say being happy with a defeat Jan and anyone else is wrong, and if you start this far back in your goals set. Then you might just have set the bar far too high, and wide! Most would be thinking this only the start of the season. Well your wrong. What we achieve points wise at the front of the season, WILL QUICKLY affect the end of the season in so many ways. Like nerves,quality,confi

dence, league position,revenue,suc

cess, failures, injuries,playing catch up, etc. WE NEED TO LOOK AT BEATING EVERYONE IN THIS LEAGUE IN EVERY GAME, AND AT LEAST MAKE THEM EARN ANY DEFEAT AGAINST US. DO THIS ENOUGH, AND MANY WOULD THEN HATE PLAYING US, INSTEAD OF FANS AND MEDIA, ADDED WITH LOWE AND TURNCOAT WILDE. SENDING OUT WE ARE DESPERATE CLUB MESSAGE OUT THERE, SO COME AND GET THREE EASY POINTS HERE! LETS DEMAND SOME PRIDE BACK IN SOUTHAMPTON FC, WHICH IF NOTHING LESS THAN WHAT WE ALL DESRVE IF THINGS ACROSS THE BOARD ARE DONE RIGHT!!

skintsaint wrote:
Going by the previous comments you would of thought we lost 5-0 to Hull or something..

We lost to the favorites for the league 2-1 and the performance seemed good for the first 45mins. Again we need to keep it going for the full 90 but shows we can play good stuff.

Points will soon come.

well said - I am glad someone else has a little bit of sense!

to see a little bit of reason - we have a lot of new young very good players - they will need a bit of time.

they have played against the fa cup finalists away - ninian park is a hell of a place to go to at the best of times!

then to lose 2-1 to the favourites for the league after giving them a **** good game!

we are away to derby next which again is a very hard game and also birmingham again in the cup!

I would not start worrying unless we are 10 games in without a point! we should romp teams like norwich and barnsley - realistically promotion is not a target this year - we should not expect too much too soon - make sure we pick up points against the teams we should be beating (something we did not do last term)

JAN Poortvliet believes it is only a matter of time before Saints start picking up the points he feels they deserve

Oh dear, desperation is kicking in early. This sounds like George's loop tape all over again. "We played well and we were unlucky to lose...."
That is the soundtrack that will carry us all the way down to League One and administration, I fear.

Super Leon wrote:
Should of kept Nigel Pearson as word from staplewood is most of the players are totally dissillusioned with Poortaloo and Mark "Ive been sacked again" Wotte.

Could it be that those 'disillusioned with JP and MW' are the same players that are not getting into the first team anymore? Euell, Skacel, Rasiak, BWP, etc?
I doubt very much that the young players, who now make up the first team, are disillusioned. They might be a bit down-hearted because they have not got the points they deserve but, that will come.

I'm not a Saints fan, but I really doubt the validity of some individuals who post on here saying they are.
Lowe & Wilde are not SFC - the fans and the City are. So-called supporters who stay away are not really harming the 2 Chairmen, they are harming the long term prospects of survival at a decent level of the football club they profess to love. Surely the most sensible action to take is to put their bums back on seats and assist in generating revenue in order to improve the playing personnel and financial wellbeing of the club.
You can still support your team and despise the Chairman - Villa fans did it for years.

Unlike many others I didn't really expect to win any of our first 3 league games. We are not going to win this league so get that out of your heads straight away. Hopefully in a year or two we can but for now safety is the height of my expectations.

We are in a mess financially and need to ensure we have football club to support first and foremost and as such I would have taken still being in the carling cup and not being thrashed in our first 3 league games.

Southampton Spur wrote:
I'm not a Saints fan, but I really doubt the validity of some individuals who post on here saying they are. Lowe & Wilde are not SFC - the fans and the City are. So-called supporters who stay away are not really harming the 2 Chairmen, they are harming the long term prospects of survival at a decent level of the football club they profess to love. Surely the most sensible action to take is to put their bums back on seats and assist in generating revenue in order to improve the playing personnel and financial wellbeing of the club. You can still support your team and despise the Chairman - Villa fans did it for years.

That a spurs fan can see as obvious what a number of saints fans cannot is saddening.

I think you have hit the nail on the head and the Villa reference is particularly apt.

Mmmmm wrote:
Unlike many others I didn\'t really expect to win any of our first 3 league games. We are not going to win this league so get that out of your heads straight away. Hopefully in a year or two we can but for now safety is the height of my expectations.

We are in a mess financially and need to ensure we have football club to support first and foremost and as such I would have taken still being in the carling cup and not being thrashed in our first 3 league games.

totally agree

yes wrote:

Mmmmm wrote: Unlike many others I didn\'t really expect to win any of our first 3 league games. We are not going to win this league so get that out of your heads straight away. Hopefully in a year or two we can but for now safety is the height of my expectations. We are in a mess financially and need to ensure we have football club to support first and foremost and as such I would have taken still being in the carling cup and not being thrashed in our first 3 league games.

totally agree

How far can this line of thought be stretched!

Can also be saying the same two or three years later!

Have been saying this in the past!

stop the whinging wrote:

skintsaint wrote: Going by the previous comments you would of thought we lost 5-0 to Hull or something.. We lost to the favorites for the league 2-1 and the performance seemed good for the first 45mins. Again we need to keep it going for the full 90 but shows we can play good stuff. Points will soon come.

well said - I am glad someone else has a little bit of sense! to see a little bit of reason - we have a lot of new young very good players - they will need a bit of time. they have played against the fa cup finalists away - ninian park is a hell of a place to go to at the best of times! then to lose 2-1 to the favourites for the league after giving them a **** good game! we are away to derby next which again is a very hard game and also birmingham again in the cup! I would not start worrying unless we are 10 games in without a point! we should romp teams like norwich and barnsley - realistically promotion is not a target this year - we should not expect too much too soon - make sure we pick up points against the teams we should be beating (something we did not do last term)

"I would not start worrying unless we are 10 games in without a point! we should romp teams like norwich and barnsley"

10 GAMES WITH NO POINTS BEFORE YOU GET WORRIED??
And as for your comments about being able to "romp teams like norwich and barnsley"???

It's all very well being positive & supportive but if the manager and players think like you, we will definitely be relegated, and probably by Easter.

IMO we start EVERY game as underdogs until we prove we are capable of consistently beating teams in this league.

At the moment all teams in the CCC are aware of how "weak" we are in terms of fitness and experience, and I imagine Derby are chomping at the bit to get us up to Pride Park, so they can end their long run without a win.

I am pleased we are playing pretty football but I am not pleased that the effort needed to play such pretty football is draining the team of energy for the 2nd half.

I'd be happier if we played "quite good looking after a few beers" football if we ended up winning a few games.

It was always going to be a difficult season, but playing so many youth players at the same time has made it infinitely more difficult.

Yes, I understand that SFC has money problems and this is being given as the reason for playing so many youngsters, but surely it would make more sense to use some of the older and more experienced players (while we are still paying them)to help them settle in?

I've seen various comments about not wanting to play the "journeymen" who let us down last season, but if JP is the right man in charge he will get something out of those players.
Look at the way Pearson turned Euell from a player everyone detested into a player being named Man of the Match?

Why aren't the older players on the bench, so that they can come on and "use their experience" to lift and steady the youngsters when they are struggling?

On Saturday JP didn't have the right mix of players on the bench and he didn't know what to do to change how the team played, when Birmingham woke up, in the 2nd half.

IMO the CCC is NOT about being the best football team.

IMO It is about being the fittest, the most committed and the most difficult to beat.

At the moment we only have one of those qualities, i.e. Committment.

I remember when Nottingham Forest, under Brian Clough, and full of "real" footballers, started a season badly, in the then Division 1.

Everyone said they were playing too well to keep losing games.
Everyone said they were playing too well to stay in the relegation zone for very long.
Everyone said they were too good to be relegated.
EVERYONE WAS WRONG - THEY WERE RELEGATED!!

IMO if there is anyway to bring in some more experienced players, even on loan, then the option should be looked at hard and long.

You can still have a nucleus of young players being called upon to play, but with a harder core of experience alongside them, teaching them how to compete at this level.

The longer we go with NIL points on the board the more difficult it will be to turn it around.

Our season is not going to be defined by early defeats to the likes of Cardiff and Birmingham. All we can hope is that the defeats do not dent the players' confidence too much, but at the same time there is no shame in losing to teams who will be there or thereabouts this season for promotion.

If we bring home the Speck playing against the Barnsley's and Blackpool's of the league then that is all that matters. If we don't then we are going to be in very big trouble.

Southampton Spur wrote:
I'm not a Saints fan, but I really doubt the validity of some individuals who post on here saying they are. Lowe & Wilde are not SFC - the fans and the City are. So-called supporters who stay away are not really harming the 2 Chairmen, they are harming the long term prospects of survival at a decent level of the football club they profess to love. Surely the most sensible action to take is to put their bums back on seats and assist in generating revenue in order to improve the playing personnel and financial wellbeing of the club. You can still support your team and despise the Chairman - Villa fans did it for years.

I agree, we should start to boycott games. that will hurt Lowe more.

hahaharry wrote:
Things aren't that bad, we lost to a team dead cert for promotion 2-1, whereas Pompey lost 4-0 to the dead certs for the league, all hail scolari lol !!!

"Things aren't that bad"
Your exactly right, SUPER POMPEY are and still will be come the end of the season in the PREMIER LEAGUE.
Whereas the losers from St Fairies will be in Division 1 next season and I will be
LOVINIT LOVINIT LOVINIT

Costa Baz wrote:

stop the whinging wrote:

skintsaint wrote: Going by the previous comments you would of thought we lost 5-0 to Hull or something.. We lost to the favorites for the league 2-1 and the performance seemed good for the first 45mins. Again we need to keep it going for the full 90 but shows we can play good stuff. Points will soon come.

well said - I am glad someone else has a little bit of sense! to see a little bit of reason - we have a lot of new young very good players - they will need a bit of time. they have played against the fa cup finalists away - ninian park is a hell of a place to go to at the best of times! then to lose 2-1 to the favourites for the league after giving them a **** good game! we are away to derby next which again is a very hard game and also birmingham again in the cup! I would not start worrying unless we are 10 games in without a point! we should romp teams like norwich and barnsley - realistically promotion is not a target this year - we should not expect too much too soon - make sure we pick up points against the teams we should be beating (something we did not do last term)

"I would not start worrying unless we are 10 games in without a point! we should romp teams like norwich and barnsley"

10 GAMES WITH NO POINTS BEFORE YOU GET WORRIED??
And as for your comments about being able to "romp teams like norwich and barnsley"???

It's all very well being positive & supportive but if the manager and players think like you, we will definitely be relegated, and probably by Easter.

IMO we start EVERY game as underdogs until we prove we are capable of consistently beating teams in this league.

At the moment all teams in the CCC are aware of how "weak" we are in terms of fitness and experience, and I imagine Derby are chomping at the bit to get us up to Pride Park, so they can end their long run without a win.

I am pleased we are playing pretty football but I am not pleased that the effort needed to play such pretty football is draining the team of energy for the 2nd half.

I'd be happier if we played "quite good looking after a few beers" football if we ended up winning a few games.

It was always going to be a difficult season, but playing so many youth players at the same time has made it infinitely more difficult.

Yes, I understand that SFC has money problems and this is being given as the reason for playing so many youngsters, but surely it would make more sense to use some of the older and more experienced players (while we are still paying them)to help them settle in?

I've seen various comments about not wanting to play the "journeymen" who let us down last season, but if JP is the right man in charge he will get something out of those players.
Look at the way Pearson turned Euell from a player everyone detested into a player being named Man of the Match?

Why aren't the older players on the bench, so that they can come on and "use their experience" to lift and steady the youngsters when they are struggling?

On Saturday JP didn't have the right mix of players on the bench and he didn't know what to do to change how the team played, when Birmingham woke up, in the 2nd half.

IMO the CCC is NOT about being the best football team.

IMO It is about being the fittest, the most committed and the most difficult to beat.

At the moment we only have one of those qualities, i.e. Committment.

I remember when Nottingham Forest, under Brian Clough, and full of "real" footballers, started a season badly, in the then Division 1.

Everyone said they were playing too well to keep losing games.
Everyone said they were playing too well to stay in the relegation zone for very long.
Everyone said they were too good to be relegated.
EVERYONE WAS WRONG - THEY WERE RELEGATED!!

IMO if there is anyway to bring in some more experienced players, even on loan, then the option should be looked at hard and long.

You can still have a nucleus of young players being called upon to play, but with a harder core of experience alongside them, teaching them how to compete at this level.

The longer we go with NIL points on the board the more difficult it will be to turn it around.

costa, surely you have too much time on your hands in order to write such rubbish!