Football League to hold emergency board meeting on Southampton FC takeover (From Daily Echo)

SFC Scott says...
6:38pm Fri 19 Jun 09

So is that it until Monday now? Would love to know why the league couldn't have had this meeting at some point during the past three weeks.

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Nothing to say says...
6:41pm Fri 19 Jun 09

The Football League do more to harm clubs in their league than help them.

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oldtimesaint says...
6:42pm Fri 19 Jun 09

anyone fancy spending monday on a desert island!!!...I cant stand another day sitting in front of my computer pressing the refresh button every couple of minutes!!!!

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matty07uk says...
6:45pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Couldnt agree more about the FL. A bunch on amatuers who couldnt give a toss about fans or the clubs. Still ntohing that can be done now until after their "board" meet on Monday, off down the pub! Ma Hinney isnt a mate of prince of darkness is he?

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Jimmysaint says...
6:46pm Fri 19 Jun 09

There is more to the Pinnacle deal than meets the eye - who knows what conditions they have applied - 10 points off, no buy for example.
as usual it all comes down to money In the meantime we continue to wait in total frustration

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Saint says...
6:48pm Fri 19 Jun 09

SFC Scott wrote:
So is that it until Monday now? Would love to know why the league couldn't have had this meeting at some point during the past three weeks.

Exactly!

Whiney is a total prize d**k and clearly has it in for us! It is long over due that he should go!!

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rednwhite1 says...
6:53pm Fri 19 Jun 09

wot a flamin day, went to sms during my lunch break from work and keep refreshing my pc on my desk and now im home i read this after all the hope it wud be dun by tonight, why dont pinnacle forget about the -10 and just complete the takeover, with a great board and mattie and a gud manager we cud make up the points, otherwise i fear that the football league will say no to pinnacle and the -10pts still stand and pinnacle end up leaving after goin over the period time. Then wot another party and back to square one with no time. I agree that we shudnt have the pts deducted but we have and they wont change the leagues mind,although id love them to prove me wrong,i just want our club next season and playing matches,now we have to wait over the weekend, i pray that the league agress to some comprimise with mark fry and pinnacle for the sake of our club.
sw - gold-move , is this a message. S.O.S.

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Little P says...
6:54pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Monay, god I can't stand it.

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HarvSFC says...
6:58pm Fri 19 Jun 09

same old story with SFC :( never a nice easy bit of good news it's always got something wrong with it and leads to bad news in the end :(

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minus10butchamps says...
6:59pm Fri 19 Jun 09

nothing is plain sailing for saints
security word down data meaning the football league have switched off there computers

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milton road says...
7:03pm Fri 19 Jun 09

I would hope this is a formality. The crunch isn't the 10 points it is actually whether Saints are in the football league. if understanding is right saints were issued note that by going insolvent they had withdrawn from the league.
Despite being given fixtures for the coming season Saints are not even in the football league until that notice is withdrawn. If they don't withdraw it Saints are out of the league.
Is that the answer to the Fl's problems over this case.
If the league were not given the details until wednesday and the buyer did not have the package ready until then. This is why it has taken so long. The league cannot act on what is rumoured only on what they are given.
so hope this is a matter of formality

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season ticket holder says...
7:05pm Fri 19 Jun 09

rednwhite1 wrote:
wot a flamin day, went to sms during my lunch break from work and keep refreshing my pc on my desk and now im home i read this after all the hope it wud be dun by tonight, why dont pinnacle forget about the -10 and just complete the takeover, with a great board and mattie and a gud manager we cud make up the points, otherwise i fear that the football league will say no to pinnacle and the -10pts still stand and pinnacle end up leaving after goin over the period time. Then wot another party and back to square one with no time. I agree that we shudnt have the pts deducted but we have and they wont change the leagues mind,although id love them to prove me wrong,i just want our club next season and playing matches,now we have to wait over the weekend, i pray that the league agress to some comprimise with mark fry and pinnacle for the sake of our club. sw - gold-move , is this a message. S.O.S.

Can,t agree more. If this new investor has got such deep pockets as Tony Lynam says he has surely we should be able to buy enough good players to stabalise us in League 1 this season and push on from there after that.

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DorsetSaint says...
7:05pm Fri 19 Jun 09

the point is that Pinnacle do not appear to be buying SLH but its assets, therefore the argument is that SLH will be wound up and never exit admin, yet the FL have put SFC in the fixture list and apply a penalty against the wrong company.
its all about the difference in legal financial definitions and the FL's definition.

The new owners are making sure that there is room to move, after all did Lord Malwhinney say no point in appealing it will fail, not that there was no right of appeal?

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Linesman says...
7:06pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Surely the Pinnacle group knew the situation when they handed over their money.

If they did not, what the hell were their leagal team up to?

Since the season ended, everyone knew that points had been deducted, and if it was a sticking point with the purchasers, why hand over cash?

I don't blame Matt, but he seems to have let his heart rule his head by getting mixed up with this lot.

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Northamboy says...
7:07pm Fri 19 Jun 09

What a day, I hope Monday brings good news to us all.

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season ticket holder says...
7:07pm Fri 19 Jun 09

As the 3 week exclusivity period is now up why have we not had an announcement from Mark Fry on the SFC website

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Bashfan says...
7:09pm Fri 19 Jun 09

When the league compiled the fixture list, they must have forgotten that we'd been kicked out of the league - an easy mistake I suppose.

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liamsmyth says...
7:09pm Fri 19 Jun 09

same old same old, as always theres something wrong. i hope it isnt too good to be true, and it all comes to nothing.........we need answers......please sfc dont leave us in the dark!!!!

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Optimist says...
7:15pm Fri 19 Jun 09

If the league wants clubs to undertake the risk involved in developing their grounds to ones suitable for the 21st centuary then they need to start taking a little pity towards clubs like ours. Other than that perhaps they should start giving out low rate loans to clubs in need of development. Then they would be filling out their mandate.

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richarddstarky says...
7:15pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Its not pinnacle that have thrown a spanner in the works its the beloved football league! in order for the deal to complete they have requested that pinnacle put in writing that they will not appeal the decision they made on the 10 points deduction. If they were confident of the decision why demand this at the last moment ? it seems quite obvious to me that the football league know they will lose if it went to appeal. Keep the faith everyone we could be starting next season on 0 points aswell as le tiss as chairman !

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Mac78 says...
7:15pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Linesman wrote:
Surely the Pinnacle group knew the situation when they handed over their money. If they did not, what the hell were their leagal team up to? Since the season ended, everyone knew that points had been deducted, and if it was a sticking point with the purchasers, why hand over cash? I don't blame Matt, but he seems to have let his heart rule his head by getting mixed up with this lot.

It sounds like it's the football league blocking the take-over, not the other way around. Pinnacle don't appear to have put a foot wrong and all this speculation about them refusing to go ahead if the 10 point deduction still stands is just that - speculation! Have faith in Le Tiss's judgement.

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Southampton Heart says...
7:21pm Fri 19 Jun 09

MA WILLIE OUT!

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aliscan66 says...
7:23pm Fri 19 Jun 09

why dont we forget the -10 points. i couldnt give a **** about them.i have a feeling there is a lot more to it than just this, who knows even the money man could be totally cheesed off by now. just about sick and tired of this fiasco. how much longer is kelvin going to hold on for? and others of course? looks like it is slowly falling apart at the seams..

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Propercynic says...
7:26pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Saint wrote:

SFC Scott wrote: So is that it until Monday now? Would love to know why the league couldn't have had this meeting at some point during the past three weeks.
Exactly! Whiney is a total prize d**k and clearly has it in for us! It is long over due that he should go!!

Hawhaw and his fellow clowns at the FL are bad for football and worse for football clubs.
If push comes to shove, as it seems to have done, Pinnacle would do better to forget the ten point deficit and just get on with it, with the right players and management we could wipe that out on the field and go on from there. As a fan I'm not worried about the ten points any more, just that we might not have a club to support next season thanks to Lord Hawhaw and his ludicrous chucking of a spanner in the works at the last minute.

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robhythe says...
7:27pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Have you read the statement on 606 by Mr Lynam

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aliscan66 says...
7:32pm Fri 19 Jun 09

robhythe wrote:
Have you read the statement on 606 by Mr Lynam

how do we get to that?

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saintrooty says...
7:36pm Fri 19 Jun 09

I thought i'd beat the echo to a bit of copy and pasting... here is the comments from Mr lynham from the 606 site...
Dear All

I know many of you are sitting tight eagerly expecting some news, so I'm taking 2 minutes out to make you aware of some issues that we are trying to resolve to complete our takeover.... Read More

Please respect the fact that I cannot go into the finer details of some of the legal issues - myself, colleagues and clients are bound by a non disclosure agreement in respect of the sensitive details, and this will be adhered to at all times.

You may be aware that a brief announcement was made earlier this afternoon confirming that, despite our continued efforts, there are some outstanding issues to resolve prior to us being in a position to completing our takeover. There are to my mind 2 legal issues - questions which need to be answered. These I am sure will be put to bed without delay. A further remaining issue is that of the Football Leagues position over our license.

Again, it would be hoped that this can be confirmed without delay. My colleagues and I, clients and the Administrator have made our position clear to the Football League on the detail of this issue. I cannot go into it now, but it is cricitcal that this is resolved, and in a timely manner. We will continue to work hard with the Administrator to resolve this, as this is in my view the final piece of the jigsaw.

My hope is that all outstanding issues will be resolved without undue delay, as we are itching to get on with the important job of rebuilding this great Club - both for ourselves, the supports, and the wider community.

I hope the next announcement that we can make will be to introduce your new owner and Board, and our opportunity to set out our vision for the future.

Best wishes to you all

Tony Lynam

gather what you will from that.

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robhythe says...
7:36pm Fri 19 Jun 09

aliscan66 wrote:

robhythe wrote: Have you read the statement on 606 by Mr Lynam
how do we get to that?

go to either radio solent then sports, southampton then 606, or go to bbc.co.uk there is a link somewhere in there!

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SS93 says...
7:44pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Wot a load of **** this could only happen 2 our club, we have no chance of getting nowere on monday with the bunch of dickheads on the football league board, it just seems as something good looks 2 happen, some Knob allways stands in our way. SAINTSFC FOREVER XX

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aliscan66 says...
7:47pm Fri 19 Jun 09

robhythe wrote:

aliscan66 wrote:
robhythe wrote: Have you read the statement on 606 by Mr Lynam
how do we get to that?
go to either radio solent then sports, southampton then 606, or go to bbc.co.uk there is a link somewhere in there!

thanks for that, i often see 606 talked about and didnt have the foggiest where it was..thanks again :)

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Southampton Heart says...
7:53pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Thanks for typing that out Saintrooty. Would have taken me hours.

Can I say thanks to the Echo and Sky Sports for keeping us up to date. I've found the BBC coverage very poor.

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Bulldog.bcu says...
7:57pm Fri 19 Jun 09

It looks like the football league know that they were wrong to deduct the 10 points. Why else do they want saints to agree not to appeal.

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Condor Man says...
7:59pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Mawhinney will do well to crawl out of this one, especially after he shafted Luton last season. The league needs clubs like saints, Accrington Stanley can't even afford to stay in the league- we've got a big stadium and catchment, the league should be looking to secure decent sides to promote a healthy competition.

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stormus troupias the 2nd says...
8:08pm Fri 19 Jun 09

saintrooty wrote:
I thought i'd beat the echo to a bit of copy and pasting... here is the comments from Mr lynham from the 606 site... Dear All I know many of you are sitting tight eagerly expecting some news, so I'm taking 2 minutes out to make you aware of some issues that we are trying to resolve to complete our takeover.... Read More Please respect the fact that I cannot go into the finer details of some of the legal issues - myself, colleagues and clients are bound by a non disclosure agreement in respect of the sensitive details, and this will be adhered to at all times. You may be aware that a brief announcement was made earlier this afternoon confirming that, despite our continued efforts, there are some outstanding issues to resolve prior to us being in a position to completing our takeover. There are to my mind 2 legal issues - questions which need to be answered. These I am sure will be put to bed without delay. A further remaining issue is that of the Football Leagues position over our license. Again, it would be hoped that this can be confirmed without delay. My colleagues and I, clients and the Administrator have made our position clear to the Football League on the detail of this issue. I cannot go into it now, but it is cricitcal that this is resolved, and in a timely manner. We will continue to work hard with the Administrator to resolve this, as this is in my view the final piece of the jigsaw. My hope is that all outstanding issues will be resolved without undue delay, as we are itching to get on with the important job of rebuilding this great Club - both for ourselves, the supports, and the wider community. I hope the next announcement that we can make will be to introduce your new owner and Board, and our opportunity to set out our vision for the future. Best wishes to you all Tony Lynam gather what you will from that.

thank you for puting that on the board i,m reading all this with tears in my eyes but that chered me up its like being at thorpe park up one minuite and down the next

[quote][p][bold]saintrooty[/bold] wrote: I thought i'd beat the echo to a bit of copy and pasting... here is the comments from Mr lynham from the 606 site... Dear All I know many of you are sitting tight eagerly expecting some news, so I'm taking 2 minutes out to make you aware of some issues that we are trying to resolve to complete our takeover.... Read More Please respect the fact that I cannot go into the finer details of some of the legal issues - myself, colleagues and clients are bound by a non disclosure agreement in respect of the sensitive details, and this will be adhered to at all times. You may be aware that a brief announcement was made earlier this afternoon confirming that, despite our continued efforts, there are some outstanding issues to resolve prior to us being in a position to completing our takeover. There are to my mind 2 legal issues - questions which need to be answered. These I am sure will be put to bed without delay. A further remaining issue is that of the Football Leagues position over our license. Again, it would be hoped that this can be confirmed without delay. My colleagues and I, clients and the Administrator have made our position clear to the Football League on the detail of this issue. I cannot go into it now, but it is cricitcal that this is resolved, and in a timely manner. We will continue to work hard with the Administrator to resolve this, as this is in my view the final piece of the jigsaw. My hope is that all outstanding issues will be resolved without undue delay, as we are itching to get on with the important job of rebuilding this great Club - both for ourselves, the supports, and the wider community. I hope the next announcement that we can make will be to introduce your new owner and Board, and our opportunity to set out our vision for the future. Best wishes to you all Tony Lynam gather what you will from that.[/p][/quote]thank you for puting that on the board i,m reading all this with tears in my eyes but that chered me up its like being at thorpe park up one minuite and down the next stormus troupias the 2nd

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LeopardsSpots says...
8:12pm Fri 19 Jun 09

May I recommend to everybody to send an e-mail to the Football League.

fl@football-league.c
o.uk

That's their address.

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CMFG Lover says...
8:22pm Fri 19 Jun 09

http://www.guardian.
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sortium

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Major Sir Jerry Pending says...
8:25pm Fri 19 Jun 09

LeopardsSpots wrote:
May I recommend to everybody to send an e-mail to the Football League. fl@football-league.c o.uk That's their address.

Yes, everyone send them an email telling them what a bunch of useless d1ckheads they are continually shafting the smaller clubs who find themselves 50p in debt while allowing the likes of Chelsea, Man U, Liverpool & Pompey to continue trading while either making losses of tens of millions of pounds and/or being owned by individuals or companies who are in debt to the tune of billions!!!! GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER YOU USELESS BUNCH OF OLD DUFFERS!!!

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holmesy1995 says...
8:28pm Fri 19 Jun 09

wot should we say in the email guys???

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King Kev says...
8:30pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Surely this doesn't have anything to do with the football league trying to screw us over and more to do with pinnacle wanting something they can't have (i.e. no 10 point deduction).

If it was so impportant why didn't they ask for clarity at an earlier date??

I know we've been hammered over the years, from all sorts of angles but seriously guys, how is this the football leagues fault??

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LeopardsSpots says...
8:30pm Fri 19 Jun 09

I compared The Football league with Nazis but whether you want to be as drastic as that though...

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holmesy1995 says...
8:32pm Fri 19 Jun 09

good idea leopards i might have a pop at mawhinney using not to nice language lol

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tauntonsaint says...
8:38pm Fri 19 Jun 09

LeopardsSpots wrote:
May I recommend to everybody to send an e-mail to the Football League. fl@football-league.c o.uk That's their address.

Yeah, well said.

These bodies need to be reminded that outside of their self-centred, rule-infested paperwork world, there are tens of thousands of people who have, through generation after generation, a massive emotional connection to this club and others like us (Leeds, Luton, Bournemouth, the list goes on and on).

They need to broaden their horizons and rethink why it was that they were originally brought into existence.

They are supposed to help the clubs that form the pure existence of the sport, yet in recent years seem only to cause ill-feeling, harm, punish the wrong people, and ultimately cause the destruction of that very entity.

Worse than that, they give the impression that they are revelling in a pedantic academic pirsuit of their precious rules, whether ill-thought or not, whilst in effect they hold court over the destruction of a pastime with over a century of proud history, leaving them presiding over nothing, which, horror upon horror, they might even consider to be the perfect scenario.

Pinnacle/Fry - fight them every inch of the way, for you do this for far more than just Saints - at stake is the future security of our beloved game which finds itself in real peril from these emotionless people.

Who governs the governing bodies?

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CMFG Lover says...
8:39pm Fri 19 Jun 09

You cannot blame the Pinnacle Group for wanting to appeal. Surely, if they believe they have the evidence to prove the club itself wasn't in administration they have the right to do that without fear of being given further penalties or being ousted from the Football League? It's all a huge great mess. I just want to watch the team I love play and buy my ST!!!

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SFC Scott says...
8:51pm Fri 19 Jun 09

This may have already been said, but if Saints were a bank and made the mistakes that have been made, would the government not fund them in some way, set strict stipulations to future running, but ensure that the company survives for the sake of its customers. If this is the case why is it that football clubs (Such as Saints), that have been mismanaged in the same shoddy manner as some banks are being made to suffer rather than being helped through a tough period in its history. At the end of the day the previous owners of the club are not the ones that suffer long term. It is the supporters (customers) who have followed the highs and lows throughout the years.
Red and White despite all the ****!

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ssherbie28 says...
8:51pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Time the leaque sort
this mess out. We could have won the 1st 4 games.Come on Pinnacle bite the bullet and lets take our punishment and get on with the 5 year plan.

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Snuggle saint says...
8:52pm Fri 19 Jun 09

I remember reading some where that being served with a withdrawal notice meant we were not guaranteed a position in the league if we were in administration. I think this is more about making sure if they buy the club they are guaranteed a place in the league rather than just the -10pt saga. Who would buy a club if they were not guaranteed to be able to play in the league? We all know that realistically -10 points is not too bad with a good team and would be recoverable with the right investment. To me its the same as me putting duel controls in my car without a licence to teach pupils. There would just be no point in making the investment if you cant guarantee an income.

Well that's my thoughts on it....But who the hell am I...

SW - shoe vary ? ?

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Jesus_02 says...
8:53pm Fri 19 Jun 09

King Kev wrote:
Surely this doesn't have anything to do with the football league trying to screw us over and more to do with pinnacle wanting something they can't have (i.e. no 10 point deduction).

If it was so impportant why didn't they ask for clarity at an earlier date??

I know we've been hammered over the years, from all sorts of angles but seriously guys, how is this the football leagues fault??

if Saints are taken over by a wealthy business person then the League will almost definitely be taken to court over their dealing of the 10 points deduction.

If the league didn't give us a deduction then the other teams that got relegated promised to take the league to court.

They have basically stated that Saints are in a legal position that they are not.

From the Leagues point of view if Saints aren't taken over by anyone then there will be no-one to take them to court.

Its the easy option...That's why the league would screw us over

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paul8944 says...
8:55pm Fri 19 Jun 09

i just want to buy my season ticket so i can support the club i love

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SFC Scott says...
8:56pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Come on Daily Echo. Stop blanking out words in peoples posts. I have been reading these links for ages now. In the time I have read them you have allowed people to arrange fights online, verbally abuse each other and incite violence. We are all grown ups and little swear words are generally part of everyday life. Mind you I guess you might sell more papers if the following were also more a part of everday life.

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Great Grandad was Saints fan too says...
8:58pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Is there a lawyer out there who can explain this to us?

My understanding of companies is that if a holding company goes bust, the administrator has every right legally to sell off the assets like he is doing. So, like with Woollies, you can sell off the profitable stores.

In this case, the Football League have deemed that the football club are in administration/ effectively worth nothing just like the holding company. On what legal basis?
Unfortunately for them, the football club has remained operational (just) and now someone is prepared to buy the club (but not the holding company) for a lot of money and pay off the debts. Several of the club's players are also subject to offers from other clubs.

Legally, it would be impossible for the FL to claim the club is therefore broke so they would lose in court against an appeal on the -10 points.

Pinnacle and the FL will know this because they will have taken legal advice. This gives the FL a major problem and I would have thought they'll need an emergency meeting on Monday!

The FL will no doubt have a "get out of jail free" card - basically, that they won't allow Saints back in the league unless they agree to the penalty (some small print rule). This could therefore be very serious for Saints.

If the FL can't force Saints to comply through league rules, they have a major legal problem, not just with Saints but with Luton and all the other clubs they've treated atrociously in recent years.

Why don't Pinnacle just accept the -10 penalty? Because if they do, then the chances are we won't get promoted next season - we could win the first three games and still be on -1 points! Effectively the owner will have to pay £500k per month of his/her money next year to stand still? Also, it would be difficult to attract a calibre manager or players if there's limited hope of promotion and you start on -10.

This is of course all my view and I may be totally wrong but I think Pinnacle and the Administrator are right to challenge this - not just for saints but because the FL should stop penalising struggling clubs like us.

Is there a lawyer out there who can explain this to us? My understanding of companies is that if a holding company goes bust, the administrator has every right legally to sell off the assets like he is doing. So, like with Woollies, you can sell off the profitable stores. In this case, the Football League have deemed that the football club are in administration/ effectively worth nothing just like the holding company. On what legal basis? Unfortunately for them, the football club has remained operational (just) and now someone is prepared to buy the club (but not the holding company) for a lot of money and pay off the debts. Several of the club's players are also subject to offers from other clubs. Legally, it would be impossible for the FL to claim the club is therefore broke so they would lose in court against an appeal on the -10 points. Pinnacle and the FL will know this because they will have taken legal advice. This gives the FL a major problem and I would have thought they'll need an emergency meeting on Monday! The FL will no doubt have a "get out of jail free" card - basically, that they won't allow Saints back in the league unless they agree to the penalty (some small print rule). This could therefore be very serious for Saints. If the FL can't force Saints to comply through league rules, they have a major legal problem, not just with Saints but with Luton and all the other clubs they've treated atrociously in recent years. Why don't Pinnacle just accept the -10 penalty? Because if they do, then the chances are we won't get promoted next season - we could win the first three games and still be on -1 points! Effectively the owner will have to pay £500k per month of his/her money next year to stand still? Also, it would be difficult to attract a calibre manager or players if there's limited hope of promotion and you start on -10. This is of course all my view and I may be totally wrong but I think Pinnacle and the Administrator are right to challenge this - not just for saints but because the FL should stop penalising struggling clubs like us. Great Grandad was Saints fan too

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Barcelona Saint says...
8:58pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Southampton Heart wrote:
Thanks for typing that out Saintrooty. Would have taken me hours. Can I say thanks to the Echo and Sky Sports for keeping us up to date. I've found the BBC coverage very poor.

I believe he just copied & pasted...

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tauntonsaint says...
9:01pm Fri 19 Jun 09

The Sky Sports report states that the Football League required Pinnacle to sign a piece of paper promising not to appeal against the point deduction before they would accept the takeover.

This is, in any language, blackmail, and is disgraceful and an affront to any kind of natural law in a democracy. They are acting like a Mafia gang or some kind of Medieval despot.

Yes, we may lose that appeal, as in any court in the land, and abide by that decision, but to deny the basic right of appeal in such a way is deplorable and inexcusable.

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COOPER PIKEY says...
9:04pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Think pinnacle need a big hand for trying to get the 10 points back. The deal is in the bag and they are trying to do there best for the club. Imagine the Lowest of the Lowe doing that?? Me neither

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seedhouse says...
9:11pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Snuggle saint wrote:
I remember reading some where that being served with a withdrawal notice meant we were not guaranteed a position in the league if we were in administration. I think this is more about making sure if they buy the club they are guaranteed a place in the league rather than just the -10pt saga. Who would buy a club if they were not guaranteed to be able to play in the league? We all know that realistically -10 points is not too bad with a good team and would be recoverable with the right investment. To me its the same as me putting duel controls in my car without a licence to teach pupils. There would just be no point in making the investment if you cant guarantee an income. Well that's my thoughts on it....But who the hell am I... SW - shoe vary ? ?

Snuggle is absolutely correct. This is not about the 10 points it is about who holds the licence to be in the league. No one will buy the club unless their lawyers are absolutely certain they have the right to play in this league. I would guess this is just a formality but creates another frustrating delay.

I'm also perplexed that they've got to this stage before trying to resolve what is a major point.

The -10 is a seperate issue and they have the democratic right to appeal the decision. The final ruling could even be after the start of the season, but this is not the main problem.

SW need-huge !!

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Southampton Heart says...
9:12pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Barcelona Saint wrote:

Southampton Heart wrote: Thanks for typing that out Saintrooty. Would have taken me hours. Can I say thanks to the Echo and Sky Sports for keeping us up to date. I've found the BBC coverage very poor.
I believe he just copied & pasted...

Oooh thanks Barcelona. I think I'm pasted now!.

I'm sure "mystery backer" will stay with us. I'm confident of that.

PS If our backer was the Queen (as someone quoted today) some heads could be chopped off!.

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holmesy1995 says...
9:19pm Fri 19 Jun 09

i have sent my email and am reading some of theese comments in disbelief, the actions of the football league have been shambollic. the deal is agreed now we need to get this sorted out sharpish.sw play-upon???

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stormus troupias the 2nd says...
9:21pm Fri 19 Jun 09

paul8944 wrote:
i just want to buy my season ticket so i can support the club i love

after all the banter over the last few wks all these comments all make sence but this one is the best its what we all want it just summs it all up

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Jim Garrison says...
9:23pm Fri 19 Jun 09

May be the FL are sitting to discuss the finance's surrounding the deal and whether they are willing to accept a deal based on finances being put in place, people the FL aren't always the villians the clubs / media make out.

A deal will be done for the saints I'm sure of it, a proud club with the rich tradition cannot and will not die its just things might have to run a course that is not ideal. As a side issue how can 10 points be removed it must be the same for all. I'd rather be a team that started a single season 10 points behind than a team that cheated the system forever (aka Leicester)Keep the faith

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tauntonsaint says...
9:29pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Jim Garrison wrote:
May be the FL are sitting to discuss the finance's surrounding the deal and whether they are willing to accept a deal based on finances being put in place, people the FL aren't always the villians the clubs / media make out. A deal will be done for the saints I'm sure of it, a proud club with the rich tradition cannot and will not die its just things might have to run a course that is not ideal. As a side issue how can 10 points be removed it must be the same for all. I'd rather be a team that started a single season 10 points behind than a team that cheated the system forever (aka Leicester)Keep the faith

It's about the PRINCIPAL of the right to appeal. The FL consider themselves to be above the law in attempting to deny that basic right.

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Saintandy7 says...
9:36pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Hey everybody, follow this link: http://www.bbc.co.uk
/dna/606/A53434910

It's a planned protest against the football league for tomorrow.

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Jim Garrison says...
9:37pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Dont protest against the FL this ain't them fella

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Jim Garrison says...
9:37pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Dont protest against the FL this ain't them fella

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Saintandy7 says...
9:39pm Fri 19 Jun 09

it is though. read the article i attached and the comments on it and you will see it is.

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lemsip says...
9:40pm Fri 19 Jun 09

I really dont think we will eve get them 10 points back, if the FL back down and reinstate the 10 points then it sets a president for other clubs to do the same. I belive the way forward is do a Leeds from a few yrs back and go all guns blazing from the off set and still have a chance for promotion. We are big enough and strong enough to get over the -10 points thing. Treat this season as a stepping stone to gain automatic promotion next season, if we get it this yr then wow that would be some major acheivement and go down in history.
However fair play to Pinicle for at least trying, noone else has! I dont think it will work and i dont think it will stop them buying saints, but at least they have the balls to try and i like that a lot.
As frustrating as today has been i will go to bed happy that we WILL be brought out by somone will try everything for the club and that is all i ask.
I am feeling very confident and look fwd to league one with bated breath

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lemsip says...
9:50pm Fri 19 Jun 09

....oh and i saw a car coming out of sms with RSB on the number plate....did it satnd for Richard(sir) Branson???? Ok the driver didnt look like him and it was only a 4x4 volvo but he may have cut his beard off, straightened his hair, had a hair cut, dyed it grey, had plastic surgry to his face and had been strecthed out to 6ft...but im sure it was him.

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northamsoul says...
9:52pm Fri 19 Jun 09

what about the fact other parties can now bid for the club, do you think that will affect the ' emergency meeting' on monday? do we still believe that pinnacle and le tiss are going to complete this takeover or should we expect the worse on monday? iam very confused and dont know if i should be optimistis or seriously worried..!!

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Saintandy7 says...
9:56pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Anyone up for this planned protest?

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seedhouse says...
10:00pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Other parties can now bid again but you can be sure Fry will be seeking to put this one to bed and not start the whole ruddy process again.

sw soil-hold oh dear!

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PokerSaint says...
10:06pm Fri 19 Jun 09

what the fl have done is blackmail , just hope letiss & co stick around to see this out

sw arse-holes

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Saint says...
10:07pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Bulldog.bcu wrote:
It looks like the football league know that they were wrong to deduct the 10 points. Why else do they want saints to agree not to appeal.

They can not force us not to appeal. That is any clubs right! They got it drasticaly wrong, that potentially jobs will roll, and hopefully starting with that pratt small minded whinney!!

Pinnacle know their leagal rights, and they are working in that areana. If this goes higher their lawyers are making sure they do not sign takeover papers accepting the points reduction to stand! And so they should not sign a thing until the league correct their **** up!!!

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Saintandy7 says...
10:07pm Fri 19 Jun 09

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/dna/606/A53441291.

Details of protest tomorrow.

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saintrooty says...
10:07pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Barcelona Saint wrote:

Southampton Heart wrote: Thanks for typing that out Saintrooty. Would have taken me hours. Can I say thanks to the Echo and Sky Sports for keeping us up to date. I've found the BBC coverage very poor.
I believe he just copied & pasted...

was just about to make the admission of the copy and paste although I did state this at the start of my post....anyhow....pr
otest? not for me mate, at least not untill we find out some point next week exactly what is going on. I still plan to be celebrating rather than protesting, just keeping the champers on ice for now. Keep the faith ladies and gents. I really do feel all is still on track and we'll be smiling come monday....maybe tues but could be wednesday possibly thursday....you get my drift.!!

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Saintandy7 says...
10:11pm Fri 19 Jun 09

it's a protest against the FOOTBALL LEAGUE everybody! 12PM by Ted Bates statue tomorrow.

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paulmsh says...
10:20pm Fri 19 Jun 09

The Football League introduced points deductions to stop clubs gaining an unfair advantage by financial manipulation. How bizarre that they should now use point deductions to manipulate the ownership of a club. Those responsible at the Football League, drunk on their own sense of power, should hang their heads in shame. Over the weekend, try and remember the trust put in you by the fans, the people who should matter most.

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S Pance says...
10:23pm Fri 19 Jun 09

My understanding is that apparently the Football League won't promise a definite place in League 1 unless Pinnacle agree to drop their legal challenge to the points deduction.

It looks like deadlock, with neither side willing to back down.

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Invidia says...
10:34pm Fri 19 Jun 09

tauntonsaint wrote:
The Sky Sports report states that the Football League required Pinnacle to sign a piece of paper promising not to appeal against the point deduction before they would accept the takeover. This is, in any language, blackmail, and is disgraceful and an affront to any kind of natural law in a democracy. They are acting like a Mafia gang or some kind of Medieval despot. Yes, we may lose that appeal, as in any court in the land, and abide by that decision, but to deny the basic right of appeal in such a way is deplorable and inexcusable.

I totally agree with you tauntonsaint, we are supposed to live in a democracy, yet the Football league are refusing a hearing and an appeal, so much for democracy!! the football league committee should be investigated by an independant body.

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northamsoul says...
10:41pm Fri 19 Jun 09

if were being blackmaied by the F.L then surely someone has to step in and say..what the F***.

That is shocking behaviour and head's should roll if this takeover collapses because of the fat cats on the F.L board.!!

Why cant we have some good news for a change, iam sick of always getting bad news with the saints,!!

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Nothing to say says...
10:45pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Don't underestimate the fact the Football League has a Northern bias. Also that Saints were one of the founder members of the Premier League.

Also, sadly for Saints immediate future, the fact that Rupert Lowe made so many enemies in football circles and that is still working against the club even now.

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seedhouse says...
10:58pm Fri 19 Jun 09

If this is what they are doing what sort of mickey mouse outfit are they!

Putting a gun to Pinnacles head in public is going to blow up in their faces for sure.

sw pain-read

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Invidia says...
11:00pm Fri 19 Jun 09

I think as Saints fans we should take heart from the fact that "The Pinnacle group" has the money and muscle to take on the Football League, the clubs in the past that were shafted by the Football League were not in a position to question the rulings against them and just rolled over and accepted what was dished out to them.

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realist returns says...
11:02pm Fri 19 Jun 09

paul8944 wrote:
i just want to buy my season ticket so i can support the club i love

i know, but at this rate, that club might not even exist come monday.
a curse on the football league and on rupert lowe for getting us into this horrible mess in the first place....

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kingskin says...
11:11pm Fri 19 Jun 09

are they still at st marys trying to work it out or has everythink shut down untill monday

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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne says...
11:19pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Jimmysaint wrote:
There is more to the Pinnacle deal than meets the eye - who knows what conditions they have applied - 10 points off, no buy for example. as usual it all comes down to money In the meantime we continue to wait in total frustration

Of course it comes down to monet silly boy. Thats why we are in the mess we are in. The Pinnacle group are doing OK now get behind them and no running away from a fight. The FL need a blo ody nose.

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Stafford Saint says...
11:24pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Someone said on here that it is blackmail by the FL to deny an appeal as a condition of FL approval of the Southampton takeover. I can see where you are coming from on that but I can see where the FL are coming from too.
SO Pinnacle or the administrators have contacted the FL with a list of the new board of Saints. The whole board has changed without the consent or involvement of the previous board and this has all be arranged by an administrator. Now it appears that our place in the league is not in place yet because we are not listed as solvent with them. SO the thinking of the FL is that it is a bit much to deny that the club has been in administration. It is the rules. Like it or not and the FL have been a bit caught out by the plc issue but they want to be seen to upholding their rules. Also there has to come a point when a line is drawn under the 10pt penalty - the FL think it should be now when a change of owner is happening. The spirit of the rule is to penalise the recklessness of clubs under one leadership then using administration to wipe/rearrange debts and come back stronger. Pinnacle are getting their hands on a club through administration. They are using administration to get it without reimbursing the previous owners (the shareholders) and rearranging the debts under the threat of letting the club fold and creditors get very little. Some fans even wanted administration as a means to get rid of the previous leadership. I think we have to accept that under the rules, as are now, the penalty applies. Pinnacle are trying their luck, but one hopes that they will in time accept the penalty.

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Meribelsaint says...
11:32pm Fri 19 Jun 09

lemsip wrote:
....oh and i saw a car coming out of sms with RSB on the number plate....did it satnd for Richard(sir) Branson???? Ok the driver didnt look like him and it was only a 4x4 volvo but he may have cut his beard off, straightened his hair, had a hair cut, dyed it grey, had plastic surgry to his face and had been strecthed out to 6ft...but im sure it was him.

first laugh of another frustrating day, cheers Lemsip. Are there any managers/owners/cele
bs that haven't been seen at SMS today?

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st ewe saint says...
11:45pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Just save my club.Forget the 10 points....and lets get ready for next season.

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Saints No 1 Fan says...
11:50pm Fri 19 Jun 09

I cant believe the football league are allowed to do this. Football is a democracy and they are basically blackmailing the club, to make sure that they dont look like idiots when their stupid decision is overturned!

And dont get me started on that prat ma willie he has made that many enemies im suprised he is still allowed to stay in his position. He is a disgrace to football!

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Captain Kirk says...
12:06am Sat 20 Jun 09

DorsetSaint wrote:
the point is that Pinnacle do not appear to be buying SLH but its assets, therefore the argument is that SLH will be wound up and never exit admin, yet the FL have put SFC in the fixture list and apply a penalty against the wrong company. its all about the difference in legal financial definitions and the FL's definition. The new owners are making sure that there is room to move, after all did Lord Malwhinney say no point in appealing it will fail, not that there was no right of appeal?

Sensible comment Dorset. By the way, do you drive a tractor? Gabriel Oak?

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Captain Kirk says...
12:23am Sat 20 Jun 09

FL bring game into disrepute shock! When will the guys that run the game understand that it is their weasel ways that make the game look disreputable. It is the same at all levels of the game from grassroots up. If any of you have ever been to a league disciplinary hearing you will know that they are just a stitch up from beginning to end. They interpret the laws and rules of the game in a twisted way just to get the result they want. Kangaroo courts.

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clausentum says...
5:08am Sat 20 Jun 09

It's only a game. A game played by over-paid under-achievers. There is more to Life . . .

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Oliver.Whitlock says...
7:52am Sat 20 Jun 09

just refering to an earlier comment about all sending in an email. I will definetely do this however i was thinking maybe i we all sent them in at exactly the same time it would have more impact. Basically just refer to the fl as a bunch of clowns, whatever you do dont call Mawhinney ,Lord Mawhinney. If anyone is in for this i say 11 00?

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Southampton boy says...
9:38am Sat 20 Jun 09

As I have said in the pass why oh why do we end up is such a mess?? after threes weeks on Friday thay ask the FL about thhe -10 points WHAT IS THATT ABOUT.

The FL will not meet until Monday afternoon so that telss me that we will not hear antthing uuntil Tuesday and that would only be if are new owners get what they are looking for over the -10points.

I am cheers off with it all now.

I don't even know why I am wrtting to this site?? as I feel it does no good jusy gets us all up set as normal we thhw fans ae the feed S**T and kept in the dark and treated like mushrooms.

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Linesman says...
9:49am Sat 20 Jun 09

The fact of the matter is that SLH and SFC were linked and were judged to have been set up to avoid punishment should SLH go into administration, in other words, a dodge to buck the system.

That was the conclusion reached when the points deduction was imposed, well before the Pinnacle Group surfaced so their legal team should have dealt with this before any money was paid.

Who would pay a deposit on a house if they knew were not sure who owned it?

Either Pinnacle want the club as it is, or they don't. One sure thing, it will cost considerably more to battle it out with the FA in the courts, especially if it is subject to a number of appeals.

In the meantime, what happens to the club? Will it be able to take its place in the league? Who will buy players? Who will sign for them?

The club's future is at stake, and that means more than a ten point deduction.

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Sholing 4 ever says...
9:50am Sat 20 Jun 09

We may well have a good legal case but the league would argue that it's not in the spitit of the game and we are being underhand. How would the likes of Luton and Bournemouth react if the League backed down? Pinnacle must bite the bullet and make the best of a bad situation like the rest of us have to!

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Tirau Dan (NZL) says...
10:45am Sat 20 Jun 09

This was always going to be the case. The new owners must have clarification at the highest legal level that the club is set up legally and responsibly. The new owners would also point out that anomalies in the set up were the responsibility of the legal eagles employed by the previous board.
Then the question has to be asked about the relevance of the ten points when the last board has been disgraced and has gone. The new owners and the fans should not bare the penalty. The points must legally go as all justice is based on fairness.

We as fans from the far corners of the worlds, absolutely must be united in our support for Pinnacle, Matt and the our new benefactor in appealing to the FA to drop this matter and get the club set up correctly and get on with the business of playing the game.

Up the Saints!!

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threetoonefav says...
10:45am Sat 20 Jun 09

sky sports web page

Matthew Le Tissier remains confident his Pinnacle consortium will complete their takeover of Southampton in the not too distant future.

It had been hoped the consortium might have been able to finalise a deal on Friday, but a late hitch regarding legal issues with the Football League have delayed an announcement.

Le Tissier has admitted is has been a frustrating time for all, however, he believes Pinnacle are not to blame for the delays as questions from themselves to The League have yet to be answered.

Despite the late hitch in Pinnacle's bid to takeover the now League One outfit, the Saints legend insists he is as committed as ever to getting his hands on the club he loves.

Frustration
"It's been a frustrating time for us despite several attempts for clarity over the Football League's position over the license-related matter. Which we still have no answer," he told Sky Sports News.

"It's not a new issue. But it has to be resolved to our satisfaction in order to conclude the takeover.

"Despite continual outside interference with our bid we're committed to completing a deal as we feel it's in the best long-term interests of Southampton football club, which is obviously what I care about.

"We're hoping that we can get this resolved shortly and the next announcement that we make will be to confirm the takeover.

"I'd like to thank the staff at the football club and the indeed the fans for their patience in the matter. It's very much appreciated from all concerned."

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1mounthermon says...
12:57pm Sat 20 Jun 09

I have today emailed F.A. with the following:-
As spokesperson for the FA, Lord Mawhinney in his statement after Southampton Football Club had just been docked 10 points for going into administration, said that the reason was because the club and parent company were "inextricably linked" and could not be separated. He also said that he personally "felt sorry for the fans."
We now find that the F.A. have stopped a consortium from buying Southampton F.C. because they woudl not put in writing that the club would not appeal against the points deduction.
As a lifelong supporter and I am sure I speak for most other fans, that the F.A.'s statement regarding "feeling sorry for the fans" is most contradictory in light of their current stance.
I believe Southampton F.C. has the right of Appeal and this should be respected by the F.A.
It does however, appear that the F.A. have boobed "big time" in their latest decision to not accept the Pinnacle Group, and I hope they see sense and get this latest hiccup sorted out without delay.

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helltowatch says...
1:02pm Sat 20 Jun 09

For the FL to be holding meeting on Monday, to me it suggests that Pinnacle may have made a case that has made them think again.

Surely if they were adamant there would be no meeting called.

I think whoever are driving the Pinnacle bid are no fools and have made a case that maywell put the icing on the cake for us.

Yes, it is frustrating but these people know far more what is going on than we do, so lets just be patient and see what pans after the weekend.

It mayt well be we will be rejoycing more than we were planning to!

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saintrooty says...
2:57pm Sat 20 Jun 09

I do believe this situation will raise SFC's profile. As mentioned about the league would be standing firm if there was no chance of any turnaround. If pinnacle are succesful in this then it will set a precident for the other clubs who have unjustly sufered at the FL's hands. The FL will have to relinquish their proverbial hand around the throat of the struggling clubs and pay out BIGTIME in compensation for unlawful sanctions. Im still sure we'll be smiling come monday...maybe more than we thought.

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OSPREYSAINT says...
4:08pm Sat 20 Jun 09

"How would the likes of Luton and Bournemouth react if the League backed down?"

I would imagine they would be over the moon and get their own lawyers to take the issue up, because surely they should be compensated for the past injustices, and that is probably the reason that the FL are baulking and now getting into panic mode. I would love us to succeed, but quite frankly there is too much at stake, if the Football League were to win, then they are certain to be vindictive and dock us more points, if the worse case scenario happens that would be irrelavant anyway.

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clausentum says...
5:42pm Sat 20 Jun 09

Southampton boy wrote:
As I have said in the pass why oh why do we end up is such a mess?? after threes weeks on Friday thay ask the FL about thhe -10 points WHAT IS THATT ABOUT.

The FL will not meet until Monday afternoon so that telss me that we will not hear antthing uuntil Tuesday and that would only be if are new owners get what they are looking for over the -10points.

I am cheers off with it all now.

I don't even know why I am wrtting to this site?? as I feel it does no good jusy gets us all up set as normal we thhw fans ae the feed S**T and kept in the dark and treated like mushrooms.

You fret too much. After all, it's only a game . . .

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Invidia says...
9:47pm Sat 20 Jun 09

helltowatch wrote:
For the FL to be holding meeting on Monday, to me it suggests that Pinnacle may have made a case that has made them think again. Surely if they were adamant there would be no meeting called. I think whoever are driving the Pinnacle bid are no fools and have made a case that maywell put the icing on the cake for us. Yes, it is frustrating but these people know far more what is going on than we do, so lets just be patient and see what pans after the weekend. It mayt well be we will be rejoycing more than we were planning to!

You are so right Helltowatch

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WAZLEE says...
1:33am Sun 21 Jun 09

Hi all,

Not had chance to read all the threads - but one MAJOR concern in the main article is "about membership of the League" ... Surely that is a big worry... ?

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normsted says...
7:55am Sun 21 Jun 09

Surely its got to be morally and more importantly legally wrong for the FL to impose sanctions on the sale of a football club,they know they cant do it and they know saints have the right to appeal the -10,hence the emergency meeting on monday.pinnacle must have been advised that they have a good chance of winning that debate,the sticking point is ,are the FL allowed to hold back the license to allow saints to play next season and jepodise the sale,personally I cant see how they can,if they hang it out saints dont get sold-who would buy a club that cant play football ?Reckon it will all pan out OK.Although be warned the FL will want to save face.

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Gary Clark says...
10:23am Sun 21 Jun 09

The fact of the matter is the Football League have asked the Pinnicle consortium not to appeal the points deduction, they have also called an emergency board meeting, so that tells me they are worried and have something important to discuss Pinnicle have already been told they have a very good case. There will be trouble if the football league are to blame for failing a proposed takeover of a football club and the club going out of business, is that what the football league want? Shame were not a London club otherwise we wouldn't have had the points deduction in the first place and would not be in this situation!

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Pedant says...
9:35pm Sun 21 Jun 09

Some of the posters on here would be well advised to read the Football League rules in full. Someone posted them on the BBC 606 website. Reading them carefully might just make some of the more opinionated posters think again, it might not as people are entitled to their views however misguided. Bear in mind these rules were not simply drawn up by Lord M, they were agreed by majority vote by the League clubs, including Saints.

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Crodney says...
8:34am Mon 22 Jun 09

The FL are trying to do to Saints what they did to Luton Town. They compromised their situation by agreeing not to appeal - so couldn't. The difference with Saints is that Luton was a newly formed club and company and had little option or they would have to start at the bottom of the pyramid (a la Wimbledon). Saints is a takeover/buy out of the existing club. Hopefully the FL will consider this fine but important distinction today.

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