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Southampton will not be able to appeal against Football League's point deduction
5:20pm Monday 22nd June 2009 in
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- By Dan Kerins » Digital Editor
THE Football League has decided to refuse Saints the right to appeal against the 10 point deduction.
The League has informed Pinnacle of it's decision, and subsequently released a brief statement.
As a result, it leaves the Pinnacle deal in jeopardy, and as such could place the very future of the club in danger if none of the other bidders step in.
The full statement from the Football League reads: "The Board of The Football League met today to consider representations from the 'Pinnacle Group' with regard to their proposed takeover of Southampton Football Club.
"The Football League has the responsibility to ensure all League clubs start the season with certainty as regards the competition they compete in.
"With that in mind, The Football League has responded directly to the Pinnacle Group, and will continue to liaise with their representatives going forward. "
Comments(180)
Ross96
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5:08pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Fingers crossed
london_saint
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5:08pm Mon 22 Jun 09
london_saint
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5:09pm Mon 22 Jun 09
montecristosaint
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5:10pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Chandlers Ford Saints
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5:10pm Mon 22 Jun 09
london_saint wrote:SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
can't spell as i'm pulling my hair out....
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Bashfan
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5:13pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Sally Hamilton TT
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5:13pm Mon 22 Jun 09
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LeopardsSpots
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5:14pm Mon 22 Jun 09
jonnyribbans
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5:15pm Mon 22 Jun 09
sw-date-word
hmmmmmm
COYR what ever happens we can look onwards from here with a positive outlook at last :D
robhythe
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5:16pm Mon 22 Jun 09
East End Saint
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5:16pm Mon 22 Jun 09
SW: rich-none
mmmm??
montecristosaint
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5:18pm Mon 22 Jun 09
mrssaint
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5:19pm Mon 22 Jun 09
mongoose007
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5:21pm Mon 22 Jun 09
holmesy1995
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5:21pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Soulrebel One
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5:22pm Mon 22 Jun 09
LondonSaint07
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5:22pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Sally Hamilton TT
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5:23pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Bitterne Park Tim
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5:24pm Mon 22 Jun 09
sfc4lyf
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5:24pm Mon 22 Jun 09
adam1981
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5:24pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Soulrebel One
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5:25pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Chandlers Ford Saints
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5:25pm Mon 22 Jun 09
stormus troupias the 2nd
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5:25pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Sally Hamilton TT
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5:25pm Mon 22 Jun 09
holmesy1995
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5:25pm Mon 22 Jun 09
HH F*****G F-L
mrssaint
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5:25pm Mon 22 Jun 09
LeopardsSpots
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5:25pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Chandlers Ford Saints
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5:25pm Mon 22 Jun 09
geordie saint
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5:26pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Sally Hamilton TT
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5:26pm Mon 22 Jun 09
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ooooo!! The FA are a bunch of absolute idiots...What happens to the bid now?!!
sw:- down-best
robhythe
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5:27pm Mon 22 Jun 09
LeopardsSpots
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5:27pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Jimmy1
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5:27pm Mon 22 Jun 09
holmesy1995
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5:27pm Mon 22 Jun 09
LondonSaint07
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5:27pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Bitterne Park Tim
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5:28pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Absolutely outrageous.
I just hope pinnacle decide to go ahead regardless.
Soulrebel One
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5:28pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Propercynic
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5:28pm Mon 22 Jun 09
St Gary
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5:28pm Mon 22 Jun 09
sfc totton
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5:29pm Mon 22 Jun 09
sfc4lyf
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5:29pm Mon 22 Jun 09
saintandsinner999
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5:30pm Mon 22 Jun 09
stormus troupias the 2nd
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5:30pm Mon 22 Jun 09
LeopardsSpots wrote:he.s not a tosser he.s a f****g tosser
Lord Mawhinney is a tosser
Shotgunjohn72
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5:30pm Mon 22 Jun 09
SW: safe-year!! I dont think so
elvis
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5:31pm Mon 22 Jun 09
brixenden
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5:32pm Mon 22 Jun 09
jono1974
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5:33pm Mon 22 Jun 09
holmesy1995
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5:33pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Nothing to say
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5:33pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Therefore, they are trying to bully Pinnacle into a corner by making them accept the -10 points before giving them a licence.
They really are a bunch of scumbags.
In summary, the FL would rather Saints go bust, than even allow us the right to appeal a decision.
SCUMBAGS.
brown1981
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5:34pm Mon 22 Jun 09
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San Marco
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5:35pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Malwhinney was bad enough as a politician...
saintclyde
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5:36pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Now the question everyone is asking, will they still go for it! How badly do they want the club!
Lets just hope it's a big fat YES
East End Saint
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5:36pm Mon 22 Jun 09
This surely means that if we did appeal then they would expect to lose and be left red faced. How can they get away with this sort of thing?!!!!
F**k them those f**king c**ts they can all go f**k themselves.
KED
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5:36pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Snooky
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5:37pm Mon 22 Jun 09
badassjay
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5:37pm Mon 22 Jun 09
rh w@nkers
Saint
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5:37pm Mon 22 Jun 09
They are a total joke lead by that Pratt Mawhinney, a total joke for a man!!
Pinnacle are now in talks with their lawyers.
Southseachris
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5:38pm Mon 22 Jun 09
boyattboi
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5:38pm Mon 22 Jun 09
holmesy1995
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5:39pm Mon 22 Jun 09
andyb201084
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5:39pm Mon 22 Jun 09
robhythe
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5:40pm Mon 22 Jun 09
saint pugwash
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5:40pm Mon 22 Jun 09
-10 points we can live with. We have to. Anyway, the fans can get together and take the FL to court.
Jesus_02
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5:40pm Mon 22 Jun 09
take the league to court. Anything that is legally unjust cannot be held up in court. Think Bosman ruling.
LeopardsSpots
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5:41pm Mon 22 Jun 09
o.uk
mastershot100
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5:41pm Mon 22 Jun 09
holmesy1995 wrote:Thats right.
i wish they'd just get o i dont carebout 10 points
With the £150m.they are going to spend on players -10pts will be a cake walk.
Tommy2019
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5:41pm Mon 22 Jun 09
"With that in mind, The Football League has responded directly to the Pinnacle Group, and will continue to liaise with their representatives going forward. "
That literally doesn't mean anything. What does that mean?!! It's just nonsense.
SW11_Saint
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5:41pm Mon 22 Jun 09
I just hope that Saints live to fight again, and further I hope that the great work that Tony Lynam, Matt Le Tissier etc. does not go to waste and Pinnacle still do seal the deal.
Who knows, perhaps we'll meet Lord Mawhinney again later this year in the play-off's and he'll get to hear exactly what 50,000 Saints fans think of him and his undemocratic organisation!!!
COYS!
HJN
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5:42pm Mon 22 Jun 09
webby
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5:42pm Mon 22 Jun 09
They're all crooked!
TedStripes
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5:42pm Mon 22 Jun 09
I just felt that we were not at rock bottom just yet, I have faithin MLT to pull us through this. This action is unjust ask all Bournemouth, Luton & Rotherham Fans.
SimonSimple
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5:46pm Mon 22 Jun 09
connor16
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5:48pm Mon 22 Jun 09
we are well **** now
mrssaint
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5:48pm Mon 22 Jun 09
montecristosaint
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5:48pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Jesus_02 wrote:you are actually right.I have many years working for a intnl law firm and i would tell Pinacle that the league decision is not binding upno the club even if waiver signed. I hioe the Le Tiss and mystery backer can forget about the 10 points its just not worth figthing over - if the club went to court and somehow lost the decision which they might we could end up with a further 17 point penalty. Think Leeds.
I really don't know why pinicale don't sign the waver and then take the league to court. Anything that is legally unjust cannot be held up in court. Think Bosman ruling.
St Gary
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5:48pm Mon 22 Jun 09
SimonSimple wrote:I think you will find the Jackson bid aren't after KK as manager rumours are Peter Reid.
Don't Panic. If MLT's roup's bid was dependant on having the 10 points back then it seems to be based on shaky ground, particularly as they were short of cash (100k and not 500k deposit, 15m for the club and very little else). It's time for the Marc Jackson group to move in with their 100m now, buy the club, install KK as manager, give him 20m to spend and erase those 10 points in a month. Marc Jackson is the answer. Bye Bye Pinnacle.
I don't think Pinacle will pull out i just think they wanted to try to see where it got them. MLT will not let them just walk away he loves this club just as much as the fans
LeopardsSpots
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5:49pm Mon 22 Jun 09
SimonSimple wrote:Marc Jackson is not the answer.
Don't Panic. If MLT's roup's bid was dependant on having the 10 points back then it seems to be based on shaky ground, particularly as they were short of cash (100k and not 500k deposit, 15m for the club and very little else). It's time for the Marc Jackson group to move in with their 100m now, buy the club, install KK as manager, give him 20m to spend and erase those 10 points in a month. Marc Jackson is the answer. Bye Bye Pinnacle.
LeopardsSpots
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5:49pm Mon 22 Jun 09
SimonSimple wrote:Marc Jackson is not the answer.
Don't Panic. If MLT's roup's bid was dependant on having the 10 points back then it seems to be based on shaky ground, particularly as they were short of cash (100k and not 500k deposit, 15m for the club and very little else). It's time for the Marc Jackson group to move in with their 100m now, buy the club, install KK as manager, give him 20m to spend and erase those 10 points in a month. Marc Jackson is the answer. Bye Bye Pinnacle.
northamsoul
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5:49pm Mon 22 Jun 09
No true saints fan would want anyone else at the helm than le tiss...
Matt wont let our club die nor risk the chance of nobody else buying us...iam sure pinnacle will take over with the 10 points deduction, when were promoted with a decent squad were all just flick the bird at the F.L ...
W*****s...
geordie saint
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5:50pm Mon 22 Jun 09
SouthamptonCitizen
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5:50pm Mon 22 Jun 09
MILLBRONX MUSH
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5:51pm Mon 22 Jun 09
ShakeyWiffles
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5:51pm Mon 22 Jun 09
webby wrote:That's exactly what they WERE fighting for. The FL wouldn't approve the board unless we agreed to accept the -10 points which is blackmail. They know they're in the wrong but also don't want to lose face
Surely, they weren't fighting for the right to appeal. The right to appeal is a given. If the FL aren't prepared to extend that given right to us, then they can go screw themselves. We'll play in the blue square league.
They're all crooked!
St.Stubb
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5:52pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Come on Pinnacle just agree we can go up anyway.
SimonSimple
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5:52pm Mon 22 Jun 09
mrssaint wrote:Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool are well-run clubs with proper staff, teams, facilities, fans and grounds. Plus their turnover is 100 times ours. They would never get in this mess. That's why it would never happen to them.
When we were told that we were going to be deducted points wasnt it also said that we would have the right to appeal ?? So who or what gives them the right to try and bully us !! This wouldnt be happening to the likes of Man utd,Chelsea or liverpool
Saint
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5:53pm Mon 22 Jun 09
SimonSimple wrote:Don't be silly!
Don't Panic. If MLT's roup's bid was dependant on having the 10 points back then it seems to be based on shaky ground, particularly as they were short of cash (100k and not 500k deposit, 15m for the club and very little else). It's time for the Marc Jackson group to move in with their 100m now, buy the club, install KK as manager, give him 20m to spend and erase those 10 points in a month. Marc Jackson is the answer. Bye Bye Pinnacle.
Chandlers Ford Saints
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5:53pm Mon 22 Jun 09
geordie saint wrote:Totally agree with you, except kick the dog and wife.
it would be boring being a man u fan, win this win that win everything etc, at least saints fans get high blood pressure,depression, become alcoholics, kick the dog and wife, so its not all bad
saintforever
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5:53pm Mon 22 Jun 09
lets just hope that pinnacle accept the decision and move on - lets hope they want the club badly enough. any other decision by them is not worth thinking about.
sw - hard-army
tauntonsaint
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5:54pm Mon 22 Jun 09
I'm sure Pinnacle had already discussed this eventuality and (hopefully) made their mind up to continue, they just felt they had to try. I expect they would have been as surprised as anyone had they succeeded.
Well done any way for giving it a go.
COYR
krazzik
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5:54pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Saint
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5:54pm Mon 22 Jun 09
mrssaint wrote:Spot on!
When we were told that we were going to be deducted points wasnt it also said that we would have the right to appeal ?? So who or what gives them the right to try and bully us !! This wouldnt be happening to the likes of Man utd,Chelsea or liverpool
CliffordNelson
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5:55pm Mon 22 Jun 09
They can purchase and then take the Football League decision to court.
Not an attractive proposition maybe, but a possible one which will allow things to progress.
Glenn(Leeds)
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5:55pm Mon 22 Jun 09
offix
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5:56pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Refusing the right to APPEAL (Pinnacle is not asking to repeal the 10 points, just the right to APPEAL that decision) and thereby denying Saints the ability to compete in the League is pure blackmail.
SUE them Pinnacle!
season ticket holder
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5:58pm Mon 22 Jun 09
SimonSimple wrote:Simon Simple is actually Marc Jackson
Don't Panic. If MLT's roup's bid was dependant on having the 10 points back then it seems to be based on shaky ground, particularly as they were short of cash (100k and not 500k deposit, 15m for the club and very little else). It's time for the Marc Jackson group to move in with their 100m now, buy the club, install KK as manager, give him 20m to spend and erase those 10 points in a month. Marc Jackson is the answer. Bye Bye Pinnacle.
raider3579
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5:59pm Mon 22 Jun 09
egal minds decide.Fingers crossed everyone.
The_Director
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5:59pm Mon 22 Jun 09
ONE. We DID have the right of appeal (League Rules - in writing, within 7 days of the decision.) Nobody at the club submitted an appeal. So why should an appeal be allowed 3 months later?
TWO. An appeal process would take months. So why should league positions be jeopardised later in the season by -10 or not -10 worries. It is for League stability, not face-saving.
THREE. Administration is administration. SLH or SFC, it matters not. The fact that the club are struggling to find cash to pay salaries is confirmation that the two entities ARE linked, so the original decision was correct and in line with other points deductions.
FOUR. You didn't scream and whine when other clubs got point deductions. Saints are NOT "special". Saints are a club like any other.
LETS JUST TAKE THE -10 AND CARRY ON. Do you honestly think that -10 points guarantees relegation? If so you need your head testing!
Mac Alton
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5:59pm Mon 22 Jun 09
What has happened to justice? All we wanted was the "right" to appeal.
Disgraceful decision
geordie saint
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5:59pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Chandlers Ford Saints wrote:sorry, how about just the wife
geordie saint wrote: it would be boring being a man u fan, win this win that win everything etc, at least saints fans get high blood pressure,depression, become alcoholics, kick the dog and wife, so its not all badTotally agree with you, except kick the dog and wife.
adam1981
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5:59pm Mon 22 Jun 09
mrssaint
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6:00pm Mon 22 Jun 09
SimonSimple wrote:When we were in the prem league did we ever think we would be in this mess ???
mrssaint wrote: When we were told that we were going to be deducted points wasnt it also said that we would have the right to appeal ?? So who or what gives them the right to try and bully us !! This wouldnt be happening to the likes of Man utd,Chelsea or liverpoolMan U, Chelsea and Liverpool are well-run clubs with proper staff, teams, facilities, fans and grounds. Plus their turnover is 100 times ours. They would never get in this mess. That's why it would never happen to them.
boyattboi
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6:01pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Snuggle saint
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6:01pm Mon 22 Jun 09
sw bone blue
SimonSimple
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6:02pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Sholing wrote:Surely it's time for you to have your hot milk and go up to bed? Then dream about what Le Tiss said on Sky Sports today - "We are very optimistic that the FL will overturn the points deduction". What other nonsense are we going to be fed? At least Marc Jackson is upfront, has 100 million and is prepared to buy the club with no more delays. Pinnacle have had nearly a month to look at the books and buy the club exclusively. The result : nothing. It's time for them to move aside and let other buyers have a shout ........before it's too late !!
Security word... Simonsimple-c u n t
suffolk saint
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6:02pm Mon 22 Jun 09
wonder weasel
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6:04pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Sholing wrote:hahahaha like it how true
Security word...
Simonsimple-c u n t
boyattboi
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6:05pm Mon 22 Jun 09
ShakeyWiffles
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6:05pm Mon 22 Jun 09
suffolk saint wrote:SSNews is on Freeview
whats going on havnt got sky ?
Meribelsaint
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6:06pm Mon 22 Jun 09
krazzik
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6:06pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Security word...
Simonsimple-c u n t
is he really that useful
spyware
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6:06pm Mon 22 Jun 09
CMFG Lover
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6:07pm Mon 22 Jun 09
ShakeyWiffles
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6:07pm Mon 22 Jun 09
boyattboi wrote:Southampton's new owners or potential new owners?
just seen sky sports news it said southampton new owners do not have the right to appeal
Pedant
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6:08pm Mon 22 Jun 09
If you read the football league rules you will see that the ECHO and others have simplified the points about administration and also the appeal rules. These rules have not been simply dreamt up by Lord M, they have been voted on and approved by the clubs, Saints included. The rules set out a number of conditions relating to clubs being insolvent, the "we are not in administration it`s the holding company" point doesn`t hold water. Also the rules set out the grounds for appeal and time limits and Saints don`t meet the criteria. Pinnacle must have known this ?? They must have considered all this very early on?? Did they really ask the League the questions last Thursday as reported in the ECHO??
SimonSimple
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6:08pm Mon 22 Jun 09
MILLBRONX MUSH wrote:That's exactly how the FL have looked at the situation. If the club have no money, surely it's the club in administration. Otherwise, pay the staff.
SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE SORTED AND SOON STAFF AND PLAYERS WAGES DUE TO BE PAID ON THURSDAY IF THE CLUB CANT PAY ITS STAFF IT WILL FOLD
The Exiled Saint
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6:08pm Mon 22 Jun 09
I'm not saying we should not have the ten points deducted, but surely natural law says SFC has the right to appeal.
If we loose the appeal, then whilst we we may feel hard done by, due process will have achieved.
Anyway, both the FA and FL are an absolute disgrace.
Supporting Football? Supoorting the football money-men more like.
Who's going to suffer here. Lowe and his pals; No; Crouch and his friends; No. They can all weep croicodile tears and "invest" in another club and drive it into the ground. (Example: Leeds Utd/Cardiff City with Ridsdale ).
Forgive the bad spelling and grammar, I'm just disgusted with the whole lot of'em.
A Plague on all your Houses!
SomersetSaint
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6:08pm Mon 22 Jun 09
aliscan66
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6:10pm Mon 22 Jun 09
boyattboi wrote:youre absolutely right,they did say that!!! unless they havent chosen their words properly!
just seen sky sports news it said southampton new owners do not have the right to appeal
Chandlers Ford Saints
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6:12pm Mon 22 Jun 09
geordie saint wrote:No, not the dog, not the wife. It's not funny. lol
Chandlers Ford Saints wrote:sorry, how about just the wife
geordie saint wrote: it would be boring being a man u fan, win this win that win everything etc, at least saints fans get high blood pressure,depression, become alcoholics, kick the dog and wife, so its not all badTotally agree with you, except kick the dog and wife.
season ticket holder
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6:13pm Mon 22 Jun 09
SimonSimple
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6:13pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Sholing - Prat
Now take your dollies, leave your wet knickers in the basket, have a bath with you father and go to bed.
ShakeyWiffles
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6:14pm Mon 22 Jun 09
pawnsacrifice
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6:15pm Mon 22 Jun 09
It was obvious nothing would change so just pull you're collective fingers out and do something
buffalosoldier
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6:16pm Mon 22 Jun 09
we will see if pinnacle still fancy one more season in league one
boyattboi
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6:18pm Mon 22 Jun 09
LeC7
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6:19pm Mon 22 Jun 09
buffalosoldier wrote:Agreed, this is a very perceptive comment.
as posted earlier, we will see if pinnacle still fancy one more season in league one
Thomas Upton
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6:19pm Mon 22 Jun 09
wonder weasel
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6:20pm Mon 22 Jun 09
buffalosoldier wrote:And there was me thinking you knew who the money man was and what he was thinking ..... know about as much as the rest of us really dont you bullalosh@t
as posted earlier,
we will see if pinnacle still fancy one more season in league one
Andyt66
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6:22pm Mon 22 Jun 09
UTS
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6:22pm Mon 22 Jun 09
iamlouis23
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6:23pm Mon 22 Jun 09
SimonSimple wrote:This guy made me very angry! Even angrier than that idiot Mawhinney! This Marc Jackson guy looks like a shady character to me, just some businessman who has no passion for the club - just some geezer who wants to 'own' a club like the others. Mr 'Pinnacle' (head honcho) wants to clear the debts at Saints, as well investing significant money for players and wages. Do you really think Jackson could bring in Keegan?! Matt Le Tiss has loads of great links in the footballing world, so he would benefit us hands down.
Don't Panic. If MLT's roup's bid was dependant on having the 10 points back then it seems to be based on shaky ground, particularly as they were short of cash (100k and not 500k deposit, 15m for the club and very little else). It's time for the Marc Jackson group to move in with their 100m now, buy the club, install KK as manager, give him 20m to spend and erase those 10 points in a month. Marc Jackson is the answer. Bye Bye Pinnacle.
I think this SimonSimple is a skate...
st ewe saint
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6:23pm Mon 22 Jun 09
PokerSaint
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6:23pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Costa Baz
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6:25pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Secondly, if the appeal has been denied, does this mean that in future, all clubs will have no right to appeal against FL decisions, or is this a one-off?
Thirdly, if the FL are SO convinced they are within their rights to impose a 10 point points penalty on SFC, why not allow the appeal and prove themselves to be in the right - or do they KNOW they are wrong and just will not allow it to be proved at an appeal?
tauntonsaint
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6:25pm Mon 22 Jun 09
there will be an announcement by Tony Lyman on South Today this evening
Quote from Tony - "make no mistake, we (Pinnacle) will be buying the club"
I think the words wooo and hooo are in order. ladies and gentlemen (and Geordie) :-D
ShakeyWiffles
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6:26pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Thomas Upton wrote:Argh! I've gotta go out in 15 minutes! Lets hope it's before then! Do you know what really pees me off? I have to switch over to Freeview to watch SSNews as I don't have it with Sky because I'm not paying for the news package lol not only do I have to press refresh every 5 seconds I have to swap TV channels too!
Watch Sky Sports News. Le-Tiss on in a mo.
iamlouis23
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6:27pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Costa Baz wrote:Spot on! Third point hits the nail on the head!!
Firstly, I can't see anywhere in the above statement where it says the FL have refused Pinnacle the right to appeal, so if anyone else knows where that statement can be found, please post details so we can all find it.
Secondly, if the appeal has been denied, does this mean that in future, all clubs will have no right to appeal against FL decisions, or is this a one-off?
Thirdly, if the FL are SO convinced they are within their rights to impose a 10 point points penalty on SFC, why not allow the appeal and prove themselves to be in the right - or do they KNOW they are wrong and just will not allow it to be proved at an appeal?
UTS
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6:27pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Anyway ignore the wind up merchant. Jackson is a total fraud and lives in Rupert Lowes arse.
northamsoul
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6:27pm Mon 22 Jun 09
tauntonsaint wrote:i hope your true to this pal,...i have everything cross including my balls. ;)
From Saints Web forum, there will be an announcement by Tony Lyman on South Today this evening Quote from Tony - "make no mistake, we (Pinnacle) will be buying the club" I think the words wooo and hooo are in order. ladies and gentlemen (and Geordie) :-D
Ludacris
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6:29pm Mon 22 Jun 09
sjames29
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6:29pm Mon 22 Jun 09
iamlouis23
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6:31pm Mon 22 Jun 09
tauntonsaint wrote:I really hope so mate. I think if we let the Pinnacle bid slip, it would be a much bigger blow than what Lowe's done, even if another consortium take over!!!
From Saints Web forum,
there will be an announcement by Tony Lyman on South Today this evening
Quote from Tony - "make no mistake, we (Pinnacle) will be buying the club"
I think the words wooo and hooo are in order. ladies and gentlemen (and Geordie) :-D
sjames29
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6:31pm Mon 22 Jun 09
ShakeyWiffles
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6:31pm Mon 22 Jun 09
LeopardsSpots
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6:31pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Soton Spanky
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6:31pm Mon 22 Jun 09
A Club may only appeal against an automatic deduction of points on the ground that the
insolvency proceedings arose solely as a result of a Force Majeure event (the ‘Appeal’). For
the purposes of this Rule 14, a ‘Force Majeure’ event shall be an event that, having regard
to all of the circumstances, is reasonably considered to have been unforeseeable and
unavoidable.
suffolk saint
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6:31pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Ludacris
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6:32pm Mon 22 Jun 09
pawnsacrifice
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6:33pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Get lost Jackson
wraggster
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6:33pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Meribelsaint
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6:35pm Mon 22 Jun 09
UTS wrote:Really? Where have you heard this? Please be true.
The deal has been done. Saints have new owners.
COYR
iamlouis23
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6:39pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Meribelsaint wrote:Where are you getting this from?
UTS wrote:Really? Where have you heard this? Please be true.
The deal has been done. Saints have new owners.
COYR
boyattboi
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6:41pm Mon 22 Jun 09
iamlouis23
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6:43pm Mon 22 Jun 09
mrssaint
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6:44pm Mon 22 Jun 09
tauntonsaint wrote:wooooo and hooooooooo !!
From Saints Web forum, there will be an announcement by Tony Lyman on South Today this evening Quote from Tony - "make no mistake, we (Pinnacle) will be buying the club" I think the words wooo and hooo are in order. ladies and gentlemen (and Geordie) :-D
tauntonsaint
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6:44pm Mon 22 Jun 09
iamlouis23 wrote:Just quoting the SaintsWeb administrators who have been on the ball over the last 48 hours with the issuing of Tony Lynam's statements before any one else gets them.
tauntonsaint wrote: From Saints Web forum, there will be an announcement by Tony Lyman on South Today this evening Quote from Tony - "make no mistake, we (Pinnacle) will be buying the club" I think the words wooo and hooo are in order. ladies and gentlemen (and Geordie) :-DI really hope so mate. I think if we let the Pinnacle bid slip, it would be a much bigger blow than what Lowe's done, even if another consortium take over!!!
Join the site and you'll see what I mean, it's a good laugh just like this one and not full of 5 year olds swearing at each other :-)
ShakeyWiffles
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6:46pm Mon 22 Jun 09
haha SW is bank-cost! - you say that like it's a surprise?
Right, off I go!
iamlouis23
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6:49pm Mon 22 Jun 09
ShakeyWiffles wrote:Meh, the unofficial support trust's head guy is better though :P
God, the South Today report has totally confused me! I think Nick I's talking sense here. Call me stupid if you want but hey.
haha SW is bank-cost! - you say that like it's a surprise?
Right, off I go!
And I'm gonna join SaintsWeb now :)
Toby10
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7:03pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Furthermore, if Saints can't get a CVA agreed they may end up with another deduction!
lionheart
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7:21pm Mon 22 Jun 09
montecristosaint
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7:39pm Mon 22 Jun 09
The_Director wrote:well said.
When will you people start to use your heads instead of your hearts??? ONE. We DID have the right of appeal (League Rules - in writing, within 7 days of the decision.) Nobody at the club submitted an appeal. So why should an appeal be allowed 3 months later? TWO. An appeal process would take months. So why should league positions be jeopardised later in the season by -10 or not -10 worries. It is for League stability, not face-saving. THREE. Administration is administration. SLH or SFC, it matters not. The fact that the club are struggling to find cash to pay salaries is confirmation that the two entities ARE linked, so the original decision was correct and in line with other points deductions. FOUR. You didn't scream and whine when other clubs got point deductions. Saints are NOT "special". Saints are a club like any other. LETS JUST TAKE THE -10 AND CARRY ON. Do you honestly think that -10 points guarantees relegation? If so you need your head testing!
Ive had enough of this administration lark and the constant worry over whats happening to Saints ffs
Jesus_02
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7:40pm Mon 22 Jun 09
saint pugwash wrote:I would pay a small sum...
Don't you all think that we deserve a statement from Pinacle? Sooner rather than later!!!!
-10 points we can live with. We have to. Anyway, the fans can get together and take the FL to court.
I don't know anything about law. but i guess we would need to sue them for something. If all season ticket holders put £10 in i'm sure £80k would be enough to get the ball rolling.
Then there are the staff that are potentially being made unemployed.
Either way I think that we should organise some sort of petition to remove Mawhinney. He is a chairman he needs to be elected and a vote of no confidence will remove him.
DorsetSaint
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7:56pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Toby10
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8:25pm Mon 22 Jun 09
.......I don't know anything about law. but i guess we would need to sue them for something.
What exactly?
You can hardly turn up at court and say 'I don't really know what I want to sue them for, but I want to sue them!'
They are just using the same rules that Saints voted to accept. Leeds couldn't do it and neither will the Saints!!!
man under cloudy sky
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8:30pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Newburian
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8:31pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Captain Kirk
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8:50pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Captain Kirk
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9:02pm Mon 22 Jun 09
montecristosaint wrote:You are wrong! If you read the rules the grounds for appeal dont cover SFC's position. Sfc's argument is that there is nothing in the rules to allow the league to do what they did to us. In that respect we have every right to challenge the league's decision to dock us points and the only way they can stop sfc doing that is to extract maximum leverage out of the situation and make us sign an undertaking not to issue a challenge through the courts. Talk of appeal is therefore misleading.
The_Director wrote: When will you people start to use your heads instead of your hearts??? ONE. We DID have the right of appeal (League Rules - in writing, within 7 days of the decision.) Nobody at the club submitted an appeal. So why should an appeal be allowed 3 months later? TWO. An appeal process would take months. So why should league positions be jeopardised later in the season by -10 or not -10 worries. It is for League stability, not face-saving. THREE. Administration is administration. SLH or SFC, it matters not. The fact that the club are struggling to find cash to pay salaries is confirmation that the two entities ARE linked, so the original decision was correct and in line with other points deductions. FOUR. You didn't scream and whine when other clubs got point deductions. Saints are NOT "special". Saints are a club like any other. LETS JUST TAKE THE -10 AND CARRY ON. Do you honestly think that -10 points guarantees relegation? If so you need your head testing!well said. Ive had enough of this administration lark and the constant worry over whats happening to Saints ffs
pawnsacrifice
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9:44pm Mon 22 Jun 09
pricey82
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10:17pm Mon 22 Jun 09
Pedant
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10:32pm Mon 22 Jun 09
buffalosoldier
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10:32pm Mon 22 Jun 09
wonder weasel wrote:well i know regardless of what TLynam is saying the backer hasn't confirmed its on yet!
buffalosoldier wrote:And there was me thinking you knew who the money man was and what he was thinking ..... know about as much as the rest of us really dont you bullalosh@t
as posted earlier,
we will see if pinnacle still fancy one more season in league one
he really believed they would be able to fight the -10 point issue.
now we await his decision. as i said previously does he want to commit finances to one more season in league 1?
he is non commital tonite, T lynam you understand is the frontman, hes gotta keep the pot boiling till he knows too.
Stafford Saint
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1:16am Tue 23 Jun 09
As another poster has said, the FL is an amicable coming together of clubs for the purpose of staging a competition. There has to be rules, there has to be authority, or we can go play by ourselves! I would imagine there would have to DEADLINES too. It is not just an institution's or an individual's pride or malice (as some think can be attributed to Mawhinny) that leads to rules on deadlines. Our 'administration' has dragged on for months without a successful appeal. The FL would prefer an amicable resolution prior to the league kicking off. They probably want to know upon what grounds Pinnacle would appeal - just wanting the points is not enough - and then they would tell us whether to pursue it. It probably as a much more stepped and organic process than an episode of Judge Deed! Governing bodies think the spirit of the competition is maintained by NOT going through the courts. Do you think Luton fans should be able to appeal now and ad infinitum? How about Sheffield United fans for their relegation 2 years ago, or German FA for a world cup final etc etc
mickmattpen
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9:29am Tue 23 Jun 09
John Wade
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10:39am Tue 23 Jun 09
brad.w
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1:23pm Tue 23 Jun 09
HeadLiner
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9:35am Wed 24 Jun 09
What goes around . . .
MOT
weathep
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1:13pm Wed 24 Jun 09
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Chandlers Ford Saints says...
5:04pm Mon 22 Jun 09
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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