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Pompey's FA Cup future in doubt
10:26am Monday 8th March 2010 in
Pompey could be thrown out of the FA Cup because of their massive debts, according to reports today.
The FA's rules state that they must look at any club going into administration and decide whether to expel them from the competition - in much the same way as the Premier League and Football League punish clubs by deducting points from them.
Pompey reached the semi-finals and booked a badly needed lucrative trip to Wembley by beating Birmingham 2-0 on Saturday.
But the FA's rules state that if a club "becomes subject to an insolvency event" then they will "decide whether to allow that club to continue to compete."
The FA will likely have to wait for the result of next week's High Court hearing before making a decision.
It would be an unprecedented step to kick a club out of the competition in such a fashion, especially at this late stage.
And the FA would not want to see a team unable to fulfil a semi-final fixture, for fear of losing the cash they would receive for the match.
Comments(39)
truesaint67
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10:50am Mon 8 Mar 10
Ozmosis
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10:51am Mon 8 Mar 10
costa gaz wrote:Agreed. To do so will tarnish the image of the cup. However many would say it's tarnished by letting PFC continue.
The F.A. will do nothing, same as the PL.
Southampton boy
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11:04am Mon 8 Mar 10
Ozmosis wrote:I agree with you two the FA and PL would not do anything to stop this from going ahead as who would take there place?? as the FA and thhe PL would lose a lot of money.
costa gaz wrote: The F.A. will do nothing, same as the PL.Agreed. To do so will tarnish the image of the cup. However many would say it's tarnished by letting PFC continue.
As I have said they will make it to teh end of the season and I believe that they will go down but will they get the -9 points I coould even see this being dropped and if so would we have a case and Leeds and others to get there points back it is just one big mess they shoulld have let them go back when, all the FA and PL have done is give them self a head ach
mike100982
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11:05am Mon 8 Mar 10
Jenjo
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11:08am Mon 8 Mar 10
Day Dreamer
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12:05pm Mon 8 Mar 10
My View from the Hill
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12:13pm Mon 8 Mar 10
mike100982 wrote:If they throw you out, they throw you out, I for one, couldn't care less, if you stay in business, you stay in business if you go bust your gone, plain and simple
look im a pompey fan through and through but i think its great for the south coast to have two teams going to wembley ... lets hope the cherries get promotion too
Most of your fans didn't give a hoot about south coast rivalry, when we were in this situation.
As for going to Wembley, when you got there a few years ago, did you want Saints there in the league cup final in the same season, no you didn't so why be so 2 faced now?
Pompey don't like Saints and vice versa. End of
You will enter administration after the high court hearing, you get 9 points deducted this and 10 next year hopefully because of the date, so stop crying and bleating, stop creeping by going on about how nice it would be to have 2 south coast teams at Wembley in one season and hope Bournemouth get there too.
normsted
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12:52pm Mon 8 Mar 10
I agree with the above ,that they wont be thrown out,lets be honest,that would have only happened if they had beaten man U ,thats how corrupt it is
but to allow them to continue with unpaid players and so in debt to the taxman is ridiculous.
ANY help they receive between now and the end of the season should carry the price of further points reductions.
They have only succeeded in making PL and FA look more toothless than they already are.
Still it sets it up nicely for a BIG club to now go bust,safe in the knowledge that it doesnt matter.
This whole affair and the way it has been dealt with sends out completely the wrong message.
Saintlygirl
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12:53pm Mon 8 Mar 10
mastershot100
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12:59pm Mon 8 Mar 10
Next chapter.Pompey get to the cup final. First club in admin. ever to do this amazing feat.
Last chapter.Multi billionaire comes in and buys the club,pays off all debts.New owner says "This is a quick and cheap way of getting to a cup final"
All the above is total fiction and just not possible.
Is it?????????????????
normsted
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1:10pm Mon 8 Mar 10
Nothing to do with "managing the club" respecting supporters or working within your means,thats where they have gained an unfair advantage on others and why they should be kicked out and relegated 2 divs,to set an example that this kind of finanacial suicide wont be tolerated. But it wont happen but fingers crossed.
Wonder how the brummie fans feel about it ?
Northern Saint
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1:18pm Mon 8 Mar 10
I don't want to see any club going out of business including Pompey. Great to have the rivalry as that's what competition is all about.
Also, that was us 12 months ago and by the way, we are still mostly reliant on one rich man the same as many clubs.
helltowatch
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2:18pm Mon 8 Mar 10
Also, any players they have on their books that they are paying should be made to return to their clubs.
I cannot believe, if it is true that they are paying for loan players when they can't afford they ones they have got.
helltowatch
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2:20pm Mon 8 Mar 10
helltowatch wrote:paragraph two should say "loan players ......."
I reckon they should be allowed to continue in the competition but with the remit that all the revenue goes directly to the poor buggers they owe money to.
Also, any players they have on their books that they are paying should be made to return to their clubs.
I cannot believe, if it is true that they are paying for loan players when they can't afford they ones they have got.
Shoong
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2:43pm Mon 8 Mar 10
In fact the FA might even use Pompey's sorry story to promote the 'magic' of the FA Cup...
Lone Ranger
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3:04pm Mon 8 Mar 10
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Like it or not take away the nine points and they still have enough games to avoid relegation even with the deduction. As it stands Burnley and Wolves are struggling, Wigan and West Ham aint great.
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All they need is a few wins and then what if they avoid the drop. What will the PL do then ????
Jenjo
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3:16pm Mon 8 Mar 10
helltowatch wrote:Rule 25 of the FA Cup says that clubs in adminstration don't receive any FA Cup revenue unless there's a very good reason (which there isn't in this case).
I reckon they should be allowed to continue in the competition but with the remit that all the revenue goes directly to the poor buggers they owe money to.
Also, any players they have on their books that they are paying should be made to return to their clubs.
I cannot believe, if it is true that they are paying for loan players when they can't afford they ones they have got.
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So media reports that Pompey are receiving a financial boost from their FA Cup run are wrong.
fred the red
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3:21pm Mon 8 Mar 10
PFC is a disgrace to the core. Grunt's comments after the Brum game only add to it.
Clear them out, lock stock and barrel and start again from the bottom.
My View from the Hill
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4:19pm Mon 8 Mar 10
Saintlygirl wrote:Saintlygirl and Northern Saint,
Was there a need for that My view? I hate Pompey but my grandad was a Pompey fan - it's not an evil hatred! Why have a go at Mike when all he is doing is speaking in a positive way? There's nothing wrong with that at all. COYR!!
I couldn't care less about Pompey in or out of the FA cup (apart from the fact they knocked us out) nor would I cry myself to sleep if they go out of business, a short memory is obviously something you both suffer from, it was not a year ago that people like Mike were on here giving it the large about us going bust and out of business.
If you honestly believe Mike is genuine then, more fool you two, All I gave was my honest opinion, nothing more nothing less.
Pompey are in this situation because of financial mis-management, irregular payments to managers, bung's to agents, so tough luck.
As for not an evil hatred? I question that, a few years ago I took my baby son to Southsea for the day, he was wearing a Saints bib, the amount of abuse from Skates was unreal.
Every game between the two teams recently has ended in violence between rival fans, I suppose you think it's love that they are fighting about, no it's hatred pure and simple.
Please take off your Rose coloured glasses and get real, they hate us as much we hate them.
happysaint
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4:26pm Mon 8 Mar 10
mike100982 wrote:i bet you would not off said this couple of weeks ago ,maybe we are both going to wembley and our appearance is in the paints pot final at least were there to win something and your there this time is a non-event money spinner for the fa they should of kept it at villa park or/and old trafford cause on this occassion your only there to the right to contest in a final thats if you get past fulham or spurs
look im a pompey fan through and through but i think its great for the south coast to have two teams going to wembley ... lets hope the cherries get promotion too
saintwho
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6:16pm Mon 8 Mar 10
Chipster
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7:21pm Mon 8 Mar 10
We keep hearing Chanrai and HMRC banging on about what they're owed but small businesses need their cash as well, and probably operate on a tight budget. For any PFC fans out there this means working within the confines of what you can afford.
Anyway, no doubt the Spuds will beat Fulham and Old Twitchy and the Inbreds can scrap it out, just a shame the Skates weren't playing Chelsea or Villa then I wouldn't have to cheer on "Del Boy" Redknap! :oD
memush
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7:35pm Mon 8 Mar 10
Condor Man
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7:37pm Mon 8 Mar 10
Saintlygirl
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9:13pm Mon 8 Mar 10
mike100982 wrote:Nice words Mike. I am a Saints fan through and through, but I don't want Pompey to go. We need the banter and rivalry! COYR!! :-)
look im a pompey fan through and through but i think its great for the south coast to have two teams going to wembley ... lets hope the cherries get promotion too
Saintlygirl
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9:14pm Mon 8 Mar 10
Northern Saint wrote:Thanks for that Northern Saint. I totallly agree with you too. COYR!!
Agree with Saintlygirl. No real need for that. I don't want to see any club going out of business including Pompey. Great to have the rivalry as that's what competition is all about. Also, that was us 12 months ago and by the way, we are still mostly reliant on one rich man the same as many clubs.
Costa Baz
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10:27pm Mon 8 Mar 10
The names of all losing QF team's can be put in a hat and whichever one gets drawn out takes PFC's place.
Alternatively you could place the names of the teams that PFC have beaten to get to the semi final, in a hat and draw one of them, which means it could be done now, without waiting for the replay of Fulham and Spurs.
It would also give an opportunity for one of the teams beaten by PFC's team of unpaid (which potentially made them free-agents, which potentially made them unregistered at the time of the games) players.
Now that would be fun!!!
The fact that the game is at Wembley makes it even easier to organise, as they are already set up for it.
My View from the Hill
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10:45pm Mon 8 Mar 10
Saintlygirl wrote:Lovely, mutual back slapping.
Northern Saint wrote:Thanks for that Northern Saint. I totallly agree with you too. COYR!!
Agree with Saintlygirl. No real need for that. I don't want to see any club going out of business including Pompey. Great to have the rivalry as that's what competition is all about. Also, that was us 12 months ago and by the way, we are still mostly reliant on one rich man the same as many clubs.
I totally disagree with you both
Any business that is run badly deserves whatever beholds them.
By the way I disagreed with the government bailing out the banks as well, I bet you two were all for the government wasting billions of our hard earned to pay bank bosses inflated salaries.
Gladbachsaint
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11:15pm Mon 8 Mar 10
I also hope Spurs win their replay as 'agent Harry' owes us one and O'Hara will have to sit and watch - smug little **** :-)
I am Saint Paul
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11:51pm Mon 8 Mar 10
Who are these people who encourage support of Portsmouth who are flouting al the rules and continuing to thrive owing money to local contractors and the like whilst still paying players thousands of pounds per week plus their loan players that they should not even have.
Regrettably reminiscent of the so called fans who supported and encouraged RL up to the bitter end with statements like ' if he goes we are doomed, who will replace him'.
they need to 'get real' as you say.
SFC4EVA
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9:23am Tue 9 Mar 10
chapellady
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9:45am Tue 9 Mar 10
helltowatch wrote:The fact that they are insolvent and still trading beggars belief. Loan players should be returned and they should make do with the players on their books receiving wages they can't afford to pay! Any other struggling business having the book thrown at them must be fuming at the rules being bent for this football club. After all the tax money owed belongs to all of us.
I reckon they should be allowed to continue in the competition but with the remit that all the revenue goes directly to the poor buggers they owe money to. Also, any players they have on their books that they are paying should be made to return to their clubs. I cannot believe, if it is true that they are paying for loan players when they can't afford they ones they have got.
Lawrence4333
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10:27am Tue 9 Mar 10
It seems it was okay for other admin-affected teams such as Crystal Palace, Stockport and others to continue in the cup this season just so long as they don't dare attempt to actually win the thing eh! And I seem to remember that your team were allowed to participate in the competition when you were going down the toilet last year.
4-1. Marvellous.
Costa Baz
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10:47am Tue 9 Mar 10
Lawrence4333 wrote:You are totally missing the point of the posts.
Somebody's been reading the Daily Express online news service! Lazy journalism again! I'm not sure what's more sad - those that right it and those that actually take it seriously! It seems it was okay for other admin-affected teams such as Crystal Palace, Stockport and others to continue in the cup this season just so long as they don't dare attempt to actually win the thing eh! And I seem to remember that your team were allowed to participate in the competition when you were going down the toilet last year. 4-1. Marvellous.
Had you made the SF's by using players that you had purchased, without missing payments and had you made the SF's using loan players that you had paid on time, there would be no uproar.
The issue is this.
Everytime you failed to pay your players, PFC was in breach of contract, which 'may' have meant ALL of your players were 'technically' free agents, out of contract, possibly classed as 'unregistered' players, which is a breach of FA rules.
That is bad enough, but what REALLY sticks in the throats of so many football followers, is that PFC, knowing that they could not fund wages, pay transfer fees, pay local businesses, pay HMRC etc, then knowingly INCREASED their playing staff and their wage bill.
It beggars belief that the PL and the FA are prepared to allow this to happen.
Clearly rules need to be introduced to prevent this type of 'CHEATING' from recurring in the future.
I would suggest that in the future any club failing to meet the wages of just 1 employee, should NOT be allowed to field ANY loan players, until the wages have been paid in full.
Equally, any club failing to make a transfer payment, at the agreed time, should be forced to stop using the player they are paying for.
And for good measure, if they then pay up late, then the relevant players should face a 1 match ban for the first late payment, with the length of ban increasing with every subsequent late payment.
Two years ago, you bought your way to Wembley.
This year you have cheated your way there.
You must be so proud.
My View from the Hill
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10:57am Tue 9 Mar 10
Lawrence4333 wrote:I think you will find we didn't actually compete in the FA Cup when we were in administration, we were already knocked before entering into administration.
Somebody's been reading the Daily Express online news service! Lazy journalism again! I'm not sure what's more sad - those that right it and those that actually take it seriously!
It seems it was okay for other admin-affected teams such as Crystal Palace, Stockport and others to continue in the cup this season just so long as they don't dare attempt to actually win the thing eh! And I seem to remember that your team were allowed to participate in the competition when you were going down the toilet last year.
4-1. Marvellous.
Check out the facts Skate.
1-4 So what?
Did it give you 3 points?
Did it pay your tax bill?
Will it keep you up?
Will you win the FA cup?
Will you be here next year?
No is the answer your looking for, to all of the above.
Bye Bye Skate
slimoverkill
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11:03am Tue 9 Mar 10
mike100982 wrote:Well, i'll be on the look out for a ticket for your game as I'll be heading over to London Sat - may as well get another game in - never been to the new wembley, now i will probably be there twice in two days!!! COYR - and best of luck Pompey!
look im a pompey fan through and through but i think its great for the south coast to have two teams going to wembley ... lets hope the cherries get promotion too
Chipster
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6:28pm Tue 9 Mar 10
Personally I couldn't give a sh!t, what's important is what happens on Saturday against Leeds!
Forget the Skates, they're get whats coming to them soon enough in spades, what goes around comes around and I always thought it'd come and bite them on the arse!
We on the other hand have so much to look forward to, makes a mockery of last season and the crap we had to put up with!
Hopefully on Saturday St Mary's will be bursting at the seams with home support, lets cheer the team on for a great result, a great game and most important of all, 3 points! COYR! :oD
Bunman
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10:44pm Tue 9 Mar 10
My View from the Hill wrote:1-4 so what? We beat you - on your basis what's the point of the cup then? Is it irrelevant because there are no points to play for? Shall we forget when you beat us 1984? Or in the mid-90's? And you all crow about those games and so you should. Your lot beat our lot, and we beat you this time! There's a lot of bitterness in your posts, at least you have somewhere to get it off your chest!
Lawrence4333 wrote: Somebody's been reading the Daily Express online news service! Lazy journalism again! I'm not sure what's more sad - those that right it and those that actually take it seriously! It seems it was okay for other admin-affected teams such as Crystal Palace, Stockport and others to continue in the cup this season just so long as they don't dare attempt to actually win the thing eh! And I seem to remember that your team were allowed to participate in the competition when you were going down the toilet last year. 4-1. Marvellous.I think you will find we didn't actually compete in the FA Cup when we were in administration, we were already knocked before entering into administration. Check out the facts Skate. 1-4 So what? Did it give you 3 points? Did it pay your tax bill? Will it keep you up? Will you win the FA cup? Will you be here next year? No is the answer your looking for, to all of the above. Bye Bye Skate
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costa gaz says...
10:36am Mon 8 Mar 10