Fans' chants aimed at Wilkins (From Daily Echo)

I believe the team need support and this report is not supportive of Saints at all. Please Adam.. how about something along the lines of Saints increase share of possession but fail to convert chances?
Two errors and Rochdale pounce?
Any Echo comment on the players.. why pick on Wilkie?

I've come to the conclusion that reporters go to work for the Echo instead of going to "The Priory"....???

Dan, this may come as a bit of a shock to you but in football its goals that count not possession or failure to convert chances.
I suggest you read the article again and take note that the Echo is simply repeating what certain sections of the crowd were chanting.
I know you were not there, so take it from someone who was that the paying fans are not happy.
Time for a reality check, not cyber clap trap.

my chant for the Echo would be "Are The Echo Pompey in Disguise?".....becau
se it feels like it!!!!....lol.

What a sterling paper supporting its local team.....NOT!!!!

Dean Wilkins is a likeable character - but does not take away from the fact that Saints need to have a New Manger and established name in place this week.

Otherwise they are heading right for the foot of the League One Table - that is the reality.

Record: Played 2 Lost 2 Scored 0 and conceded 5.

That is why Saints Fans have a right to chant " You don't know what you are doing "

Dean has got to shake it up and make changes to the Team but he must also accept that Jason Puncheon should be dropped ( Can't hit the Target) and David Connolly is past his best ( Can't Score)

If you think I am being unfair - then :

1. week after week Jason does the same thing - the best it gets is when he drags a shot 1 foot wide of the post

I have not seen such appauling finishing. At half time on saturday the crowd were screaming at Jason to just hit the Target - only for hime to miss a sitter a few feet out early in the second half. Back on the Training Ground for him and if not able to improve the New Manger should sell him.

2. David Connolly could play every game - every minute all season and would only get a couple (2). That is not a good return for a Striker at this level and for Southampton Football Club. He may have a good run the Reserves. I am gob smacked why he was retained by the Club in the Summer when he is clearly past his best.

The fact is everyone wants to plays Saints at the moment as it is 3 easy points - not able to score and not able to keep a clean sheet.

It is more now than just coaching and Team Selection - this week Saints need a New Manger in place. They need Barnard back - they need Adam Lalland - they need to improve their Defensive Play - and now have got to hope in the next 4 games they are not propping everyone up at the bottom of League One pretty soon. Rickie needs help and support up front.

The whole Team the Club and Supporters need a massive lift - that lift is the arrival of a new Manager.

The sooner he is in place - the sooner the Club can move forward.

Southampton Heart wrote:
my chant for the Echo would be "Are The Echo Pompey in Disguise?".....becau se it feels like it!!!!....lol. What a sterling paper supporting its local team.....NOT!!!!

If you think that why the read the Echo articles?
Are you calling for the reporters to be sacked for telling the truth?

Red Duster wrote:
Dan, this may come as a bit of a shock to you but in football its goals that count not possession or failure to convert chances.
I suggest you read the article again and take note that the Echo is simply repeating what certain sections of the crowd were chanting.
I know you were not there, so take it from someone who was that the paying fans are not happy.
Time for a reality check, not cyber clap trap.

I watched the game and heard the chants whish I dislike a lot. The game was net-streamed the world around very clearly. I am amazed at Saints fans ability to attack there own so quickly and felt very sorry for Wilkie. That's my opinion. As Butterfield has said this was down to the players.. as for the sub.. Yep I disagreed too but would have loved Fish to get in score.. I read that he had been very sharp in training.

You were at the game.. answer this without glib crap insults:
Should Kelv have stopped the first?
Did Jose pass across his own goal for the second?
How many chances were created that should have gone in?
If you know the answers to those quests then get off Wilkies back... he's a saint trying his guts out and will be shifted over soon.

RedArmy1 wrote:
Dean Wilkins is a likeable character - but does not take away from the fact that Saints need to have a New Manger and established name in place this week.

Otherwise they are heading right for the foot of the League One Table - that is the reality.

Record: Played 2 Lost 2 Scored 0 and conceded 5.

That is why Saints Fans have a right to chant " You don't know what you are doing "

Dean has got to shake it up and make changes to the Team but he must also accept that Jason Puncheon should be dropped ( Can't hit the Target) and David Connolly is past his best ( Can't Score)

If you think I am being unfair - then :

1. week after week Jason does the same thing - the best it gets is when he drags a shot 1 foot wide of the post

I have not seen such appauling finishing. At half time on saturday the crowd were screaming at Jason to just hit the Target - only for hime to miss a sitter a few feet out early in the second half. Back on the Training Ground for him and if not able to improve the New Manger should sell him.

2. David Connolly could play every game - every minute all season and would only get a couple (2). That is not a good return for a Striker at this level and for Southampton Football Club. He may have a good run the Reserves. I am gob smacked why he was retained by the Club in the Summer when he is clearly past his best.

The fact is everyone wants to plays Saints at the moment as it is 3 easy points - not able to score and not able to keep a clean sheet.

It is more now than just coaching and Team Selection - this week Saints need a New Manger in place. They need Barnard back - they need Adam Lalland - they need to improve their Defensive Play - and now have got to hope in the next 4 games they are not propping everyone up at the bottom of League One pretty soon. Rickie needs help and support up front.

The whole Team the Club and Supporters need a massive lift - that lift is the arrival of a new Manager.

The sooner he is in place - the sooner the Club can move forward.

what did you think of Rickie? I thought he was flat footed, either injured thigh of off his game? Butters in the other article summed it up.. The players are paid to play better than that on the pitch... and we should heed that.
Also look at Sutton and Barnet results and the failure to score against Plymouth.. was that down to Wilkie? Don't count Bristol Rovers as they let in 16 in 5 games.
Barney and Adam are out.. and that is not Wilkies fault either.

Tirau Dan wrote:

Red Duster wrote: Dan, this may come as a bit of a shock to you but in football its goals that count not possession or failure to convert chances. I suggest you read the article again and take note that the Echo is simply repeating what certain sections of the crowd were chanting. I know you were not there, so take it from someone who was that the paying fans are not happy. Time for a reality check, not cyber clap trap.

I watched the game and heard the chants whish I dislike a lot. The game was net-streamed the world around very clearly. I am amazed at Saints fans ability to attack there own so quickly and felt very sorry for Wilkie. That's my opinion. As Butterfield has said this was down to the players.. as for the sub.. Yep I disagreed too but would have loved Fish to get in score.. I read that he had been very sharp in training. You were at the game.. answer this without glib crap insults: Should Kelv have stopped the first? Did Jose pass across his own goal for the second? How many chances were created that should have gone in? If you know the answers to those quests then get off Wilkies back... he's a saint trying his guts out and will be shifted over soon.

Dan you seem a little upset today, don't like the truth?. As I recall a couple of days ago you seemed very happy to promote the rumour that the senior players wanted Pardew out. Well they have a very funny way of showing their thanks by putting in such a shocking display.
Individual performances of certain players are not good enough maybe they are unhappy about Pardews sacking, that needs to be addressed by the new manager.
As I said before the people THAT ACTUALLY PAY MONEY to watch saints are not happy, action is required otherwise there will be trouble ahead.

Whatever happened, remember that wilkins wasn't hired for this job. He is in an unenviable position. He could have risen to the occasion, but it wasn't to be. AP has gone; move on. Support the team. Would we work better if our manager stood next to us and booed every action. No, we would freeze. If we stand shoulder to shoulder through this crisis, the right manager will turn it round.

Thats right Wilkins was not hired for this job and is only a stop gap, his in a no win situation.
Who put him in this situation has to take the blame and the pain.
May be Cortese should hire more PR consultants and body guards, that will make the problems go away.

red duster answer the questions? please

Heard Eric Cantona was going to be new Saints manager!?

SaintMark wrote:
Heard Eric Cantona was going to be new Saints manager!?

No, I'm the new manager. It's just as likely.

Hey Dan, remember we are not proper saints fans because we don't pay money to watch the game live at SMS; our / slash your comments don't count! Actually, we probably read more about our team from a wider selection of sources - this site included - and form quite an objective opinion "divorced" from quite subjective emotional rants..... Would have loved to have watched the game on the live stream but was caught up in the little event in C/church, NZ!! Which rather puts SFC in perspective x

Was it just the northam end chanting against Wilkins?
I suspect it was, never been known for their intelligence, humour or originality have they?
Is chanting Pardews name going to help matters?
Give the guy a break.

COSTA GAZ just to let you know the fans were backing the team for the best part of 70mins but to bring off the only player who was doing anything rubbed alot of us the wrong way what I witnessed this past week at SMS is a disgrace we were so c**p against Swindon and Rochdale we're going backwards and considering we are paying to watch it we will sing what we like if we feel we are being cheated out of our hard earned cash. Just for the record aswell I bet we would lose because we have become so predictable in the way we play thats how disgusted I am I'm betting against my team just so I make my money back on the c**p I'm watching

Couldn't post this yesterday, as site was closed for comments :

Sunday, just got back from Southampton. An unhappy drive home after yesterday’s match. Just read all the comments on the match, and Wilkins’ drivel on the Saints website. What match was he watching? I was really appalled by what I saw. In my opinion, it's time for Davis to be replaced. After seeing Bartosz for a few games last season, I was impressed. Pardew should not have brought Davis back. Connolly hasn’t been the same since his injury last season, was not very effective yesterday. Can't understand Lambert, is he still injured? If so, he should not be playing, he really took no part yesterday. If he's not injured, he should be dropped until he finds his form. We're going to be in serious trouble if he does not return to form quickly. But worst of all, Puncheon : he always wants to beat players and then beat them again; he takes too many touches; he can't shoot, he's like a schoolboy; sadly lacking in basic skills. Fonte must stop arguing with referees; Hammond, as captain, should set the example. Our disciplinary record was poor last season, and looks like being so again this year. Young Oxo played with great enthusiasm, very encouraging. Overall though, it was very disheartening.
I believe that every fan has the right to expect full-blooded commitment from all our (highly paid) players. We pays our money to be entertained. I don’t mind seeing us lose, as long as we go down fighting.
Looking forward to being at the Swindon match next Saturday. It’s always a treat to be amongst the great away support that Saints get.

Can we rename the Northam stand the Moron stand? I appologise to those that sit there who are waiting for the facts before unsettling their own players by reminding them of the behind the scenes upset at every slight slip. You may be fans but you certainly aren't supporters. Pardew has left, there were reasons we have not been told of, get over it and support your team and current manager, not an ex manager. Saints fan through thick and thin.

NZsaint wrote:
Hey Dan, remember we are not proper saints fans because we don't pay money to watch the game live at SMS; our / slash your comments don't count! Actually, we probably read more about our team from a wider selection of sources - this site included - and form quite an objective opinion "divorced" from quite subjective emotional rants..... Would have loved to have watched the game on the live stream but was caught up in the little event in C/church, NZ!! Which rather puts SFC in perspective x

None of that worries the regulars..
Geesh.. Glad you're in one piece you guys have had real shocks in CHch NZ (400m sth of Tirau) by comparison. sms is under a bit of a quiver. Hope your home is intact.. best wishes to you..

Saints are still just 6 from top, game in hand, new manager on the way loaners on the way and an end to the turmoil in sight.. can't wait for new manager syndrome but 100% in support of Wilkie and the players that are trying.

Feel sorry for Wilkins as the team that he picked should have won the game easily, and it is always down to the players to do the end business, it's not the manager blasting the ball over the bar or making the saves. I expect it's even harder for him that two of the coaches left with AP add Henderson to that and we must only have two/three coaches including Wilkins and no real goalkeeping coach i believe

The guy is only reporting on what the fans sang so you shouldnt have sang it Wilkins is standing in trying to do a job so the fans who sang were totally out of order.

Pardew is gone - he was overrated has spent more money than 12 premier league teams and i said at the start of the season this league will not be easy as everyone was predicitng to get out of Leeds found that out - so did Man City a few years ago- Charlton have theirs many i could name so some of you need to get real.

LeGod wrote:
The guy is only reporting on what the fans sang so you shouldnt have sang it Wilkins is standing in trying to do a job so the fans who sang were totally out of order.

Pardew is gone - he was overrated has spent more money than 12 premier league teams and i said at the start of the season this league will not be easy as everyone was predicitng to get out of Leeds found that out - so did Man City a few years ago- Charlton have theirs many i could name so some of you need to get real.

I agree with your first point – The Echo is here to report news on Saints (without inside help as it happens) and, sometimes successfully, sometimes not, tries to pick up on the mood of the fans.

That's what a local paper does. If it was 100% positive, people would say it was propaganda, as they did when it was apparently a puppet of the dark lord.

You can't have it both ways.

AP wise, there is no denying he spent a lot, but there is also no denying that he didn't have even one full season on a level playing field to show whether that money was well spent or not.

How can anyone possibly judge him until he's had that full season?

Last year we had -10 and the team was only really the finished article at the end of January.

Unlike Cortese, I think it is unrealistic to expect that, the week after you invest in two or three players, results will suddenly transform.

A team needs to bed down.

It did bed down at the end of last season and we were, in my opinion, going to be right up there after a typically slow start.

Now we will never know, but I am sure AP cannot be judged one way or the other because he wasn't given time.

Basically he was sacked on the basis of a defeat to Plymouth and draw against Orient.

We dominated both games but dropped points due to lack of concentration at the start of the season – just after half time, just after scoring.

Surely AP was already ensuring this wouldn't happen again.

We were one piece short of completing the picture, that is what's so frustrating.

I was at the match. Chamberlaine was the only player who showed a bit of flair (well, Puncheon did but his first touch let him down again & again) so to take off the only player who looked likely to create something seemed as crazy as the sacking of AP, and thats CRAZY. Our great club has yet again turned into a joke.
What do you expect the fans to do? keep quiet? The whole footballing world is looking at us in disbelief that NC has screwed up up so comprehensively - the chanting isn't letting us down. That's already been done.

I'm not normally a big fan of echo reports but they got this one smack on. Yes the chants for both AP and 'you don't know what you're doing' were brief but definitely heard by DW and NC. First half was all about saints possesion and passing football with no cutting edge al all. The second half was.... well to put it midly, dire! I travelled all the way from north yorkshire to watch one of the worst performances I have seen at SMS. It was reminiscent of the dark days back in the 90's when he who cannot be named was manager. So for those slating the echo reporter, he has summed it up well and probably hasn't been critical enough.

costa gaz wrote:
Was it just the northam end chanting against Wilkins?
I suspect it was, never been known for their intelligence, humour or originality have they?
Is chanting Pardews name going to help matters?
Give the guy a break.

I think most of the ground were chanting against Wilkins at the Oxlade- Chamberlain substitution. Itchen North certainly were. "There's only one Alan Pardew was only sang once by Saints fans after the 2nd goal went in. The rest of the time it was the Rochdale fans

What has happened at SMS this season is unbelievable and it all started with abysmal pre-season results and preparation, APs excuses same old pattern of last season - dropped points against teams we should have beaten out of sight. So here we are with no manager, few points and demoralised players and fans. We still do not know why AP was sacked but if it was for misconduct then he has much to answer for in putting the Club in this situation. So why are fans still singing his praises. Players too have a massive responsibility to put things right and I agree with much of a previous posters comments. Lambert and Puncheon should be dropped until they get themselves sorted out. Connelly is indeed past his sale by date and should not have been retained. Whoever the new manager is he needs to give the whole team the proverbial kick up the behind and get the dream we all had back on track.

Dean Wilkins has tryed his best but as we all can see he is out of his depth. no clue as to playing a team in first team football. Time for a real manager to sep in like king kev.

Southampton Heart wrote:
my chant for the Echo would be "Are The Echo Pompey in Disguise?".....becau

se it feels like it!!!!....lol.

What a sterling paper supporting its local team.....NOT!!!!

Saints don't support their local paper tho do they....

The only local paper that will report on our local team (for fans worldwide) and they can't even do it. It's not the Echo's fault they're limited to what they can write. I'm a NC supporter but it's shocking that he's banned them at SMS. I feel i'm slowly turning against NC, I don't want to cos he saved our club, but, some of his decisions just haven't been justified! We need a press conference from NC. He needs to answer a few questions and rightly so!

We have the right to know what has happened and we should demand answers!!! Regardless of who comes in, whether its O'Neil or the spanish national coach, why was Pardew sacked without someone coming in straight away???

I don't think i've ever seen or heard NC speak or give an interview. Why is that? Is he just shy???

Tirau Dan wrote:
I believe the team need support and this report is not supportive of Saints at all. Please Adam.. how about something along the lines of Saints increase share of possession but fail to convert chances?
Two errors and Rochdale pounce?
Any Echo comment on the players.. why pick on Wilkie?

because he realy don’t know what he's doing a nice guy yes but not a clue. a player's pal not a boss. no football brain. yes it's not nice to pick on Wilkie but that's football.

Tirau Dan wrote:
red duster answer the questions? please

Dan if you read my reply you will see I have answered your question.
Performance of individuals is more down to low morale and confidence, why is that?.
When expectations are high, people get very frustrated when they don't come about. Constant pre match predictions of we are going to win this 5-0 do not help. You can have your opinion but do have to say to say the same thing twenty times? It gets boring.

wilko's on a hiding to nothing as soon as a new manager is in place he'll bring his own assistants and he'll be out the door. nc has dropped a massive one, he had all summer to get rid of ap (unjustly in my opinion) instead of 3 games into the season

We won’t do anything at home this season unless there’s a radical shift in the attitude of the most vocal “fans”. The atmosphere has been poison at St Mary’s for the last five or six years. It must be like playing Quidditch in a stadium full of Dementors.
The incessant songs about hating Pompey are bad enough (not a condition of being a Saints supporter in any rational Mush’s book), but getting on the team’s back when they slip up is almost instantaneous these days. There was a time we got behind the lads when they struggled – a major reason we remained in the top flight for so long.
As for those in the growing anti-Cortese movement: get a life. Markus Liebherr’s family now own the club lock stock and barrel, and if the joys of possession deserts them they are likely to decide that they will get more for the real estate than the footballing side of the business, and we’ll end up in a ground share with Totton. Remember, we’ve been told before that if we got rid of certain individuals from the boardroom that investment would pour in to the Club. It didn’t.

costa gaz wrote:
Was it just the northam end chanting against Wilkins? I suspect it was, never been known for their intelligence, humour or originality have they? Is chanting Pardews name going to help matters? Give the guy a break.

No it was the whole ground.....even the Chapel end

Ned Seagoon wrote:
We won’t do anything at home this season unless there’s a radical shift in the attitude of the most vocal “fans”. The atmosphere has been poison at St Mary’s for the last five or six years. It must be like playing Quidditch in a stadium full of Dementors.
The incessant songs about hating Pompey are bad enough (not a condition of being a Saints supporter in any rational Mush’s book), but getting on the team’s back when they slip up is almost instantaneous these days. There was a time we got behind the lads when they struggled – a major reason we remained in the top flight for so long.
As for those in the growing anti-Cortese movement: get a life. Markus Liebherr’s family now own the club lock stock and barrel, and if the joys of possession deserts them they are likely to decide that they will get more for the real estate than the footballing side of the business, and we’ll end up in a ground share with Totton. Remember, we’ve been told before that if we got rid of certain individuals from the boardroom that investment would pour in to the Club. It didn’t.

My first ever chants I sung when 7 or 8 were 'oh when the saints..' & 'when i was just a little boy...' We grow up hating Pompey. Singing incessant songs about hating pompey is what brings everyone together! And it's FUN!!

The past 5-6 years have been the worst football I've ever seen. That is why fans are frustrated and let there emotions be heard. We are accustomed to watching top flight football and even when we were losing it was fantastic to see how passionate the players were and they gave it everything. I don't think we've had that in recent years. When the passion from the players is back, SMS will be rocking again.

If it turns out that AP was the wrong'un will all those who have given NC a bad time come on here and apologise. Nice to see also that the northam get greif for negative chants but never get the praise we deserve for getting some of the other sections going, I allways thought to support a team you let them know though song and chant and thats the difference between a supporter and a spectator

RealTalkMuhFuggas wrote:

Southampton Heart wrote:
my chant for the Echo would be "Are The Echo Pompey in Disguise?".....becau


se it feels like it!!!!....lol.

What a sterling paper supporting its local team.....NOT!!!!

Saints don't support their local paper tho do they....

The only local paper that will report on our local team (for fans worldwide) and they can't even do it. It's not the Echo's fault they're limited to what they can write. I'm a NC supporter but it's shocking that he's banned them at SMS. I feel i'm slowly turning against NC, I don't want to cos he saved our club, but, some of his decisions just haven't been justified! We need a press conference from NC. He needs to answer a few questions and rightly so!

We have the right to know what has happened and we should demand answers!!! Regardless of who comes in, whether its O'Neil or the spanish national coach, why was Pardew sacked without someone coming in straight away???

I don't think i've ever seen or heard NC speak or give an interview. Why is that? Is he just shy???

Keep the faith Mother Fugga.

NC will appoint a really good Manager to get us out of this League......you'll see.

In NC I trust 100%.

Also, I think some news is best kept behind closed doors...you know what I mean.

Red Duster wrote:

Tirau Dan wrote:

Red Duster wrote: Dan, this may come as a bit of a shock to you but in football its goals that count not possession or failure to convert chances. I suggest you read the article again and take note that the Echo is simply repeating what certain sections of the crowd were chanting. I know you were not there, so take it from someone who was that the paying fans are not happy. Time for a reality check, not cyber clap trap.

I watched the game and heard the chants whish I dislike a lot. The game was net-streamed the world around very clearly. I am amazed at Saints fans ability to attack there own so quickly and felt very sorry for Wilkie. That's my opinion. As Butterfield has said this was down to the players.. as for the sub.. Yep I disagreed too but would have loved Fish to get in score.. I read that he had been very sharp in training. You were at the game.. answer this without glib crap insults: Should Kelv have stopped the first? Did Jose pass across his own goal for the second? How many chances were created that should have gone in? If you know the answers to those quests then get off Wilkies back... he's a saint trying his guts out and will be shifted over soon.

Dan you seem a little upset today, don't like the truth?. As I recall a couple of days ago you seemed very happy to promote the rumour that the senior players wanted Pardew out. Well they have a very funny way of showing their thanks by putting in such a shocking display. Individual performances of certain players are not good enough maybe they are unhappy about Pardews sacking, that needs to be addressed by the new manager. As I said before the people THAT ACTUALLY PAY MONEY to watch saints are not happy, action is required otherwise there will be trouble ahead.

Okay dan we will cheer them off next time!!!!!what are you on?when you go to the games and watch some of this dross,come back to me.they need booooin.disgracefull performance.over-rat
ed chumps.i didnt boo wilkins.....i booed the players!!

Becky67 wrote:

costa gaz wrote: Was it just the northam end chanting against Wilkins? I suspect it was, never been known for their intelligence, humour or originality have they? Is chanting Pardews name going to help matters? Give the guy a break.

I think most of the ground were chanting against Wilkins at the Oxlade- Chamberlain substitution. Itchen North certainly were. "There's only one Alan Pardew was only sang once by Saints fans after the 2nd goal went in. The rest of the time it was the Rochdale fans

well the kingsland and the chapel have been known for.................
nothing!!!!!!!they dont even sing when we winning!!what a douch bag/lun

Becky67 wrote:

costa gaz wrote: Was it just the northam end chanting against Wilkins? I suspect it was, never been known for their intelligence, humour or originality have they? Is chanting Pardews name going to help matters? Give the guy a break.

I think most of the ground were chanting against Wilkins at the Oxlade- Chamberlain substitution. Itchen North certainly were. "There's only one Alan Pardew was only sang once by Saints fans after the 2nd goal went in. The rest of the time it was the Rochdale fans

well the kingsland and the chapel have been known for.................
nothing!!!!!!!they dont even sing when we winning!!what a douch bag/lun

nicola cortese is god wrote:

Becky67 wrote:

costa gaz wrote: Was it just the northam end chanting against Wilkins? I suspect it was, never been known for their intelligence, humour or originality have they? Is chanting Pardews name going to help matters? Give the guy a break.

I think most of the ground were chanting against Wilkins at the Oxlade- Chamberlain substitution. Itchen North certainly were. "There's only one Alan Pardew was only sang once by Saints fans after the 2nd goal went in. The rest of the time it was the Rochdale fans

well the kingsland and the chapel have been known for.................

nothing!!!!!!!they dont even sing when we winning!!what a douch bag/lun

Sorry, but it really winds me up when anyone attacks people in the Northam Stand.

The people in the Northam Stand are the ones responsible for creating any sort of atmosphere at St Marys.

Without them, you'd get more atmosphere and joy watching the match at home.

In my opinion, the dreadful mood in recent years is down more to fans in the other three sides of the ground, who clearly can't sing unless we're a goal up or playing well.

No wonder the lads can't play to their potentials at homes – it's more the murmuring, moaning and basic non-support from three quarters of the ground that's unsettling them.

The people in the Northam are one of the few elements that help us retain any sort of link to spirit of the Dell.

I totally agree that slagging off players and managers during games is totally counter productive, but I think this week it is inevitable.

There has to be some way to vent frustration after what's been a shameful week for our club.

Wrong target, but who can blame them?

You don't have to make constant noise to cheer on your team. The other stands don't only sing when we are winning, they shout on encouragement when it is really needed and applaud good football, they aren't too busy singing about shooting pompey scum to congratulate a player for skinning someone and laying off a good pass. If I was a player I know what I'd prefer. Saying that, the Northam stand is VERY important to saint mary's and the singing does help moral and we'd be lost without it, just don't think you are more of a fan than someone who sits elsewhere just because they want to watch the game without shouting.

Matttt wrote:
You don't have to make constant noise to cheer on your team. The other stands don't only sing when we are winning, they shout on encouragement when it is really needed and applaud good football, they aren't too busy singing about shooting pompey scum to congratulate a player for skinning someone and laying off a good pass. If I was a player I know what I'd prefer. Saying that, the Northam stand is VERY important to saint mary's and the singing does help moral and we'd be lost without it, just don't think you are more of a fan than someone who sits elsewhere just because they want to watch the game without shouting.

You beat me to it, I sit in the Chapel stand, always have done, always will and it doesn't make me any less of a fan than someone who sits anywhere else. We're all there for one reason to support our team through thick and thin together, even if that does mean I do often have to sing solos. :-)

Regardless of tactics, players not being up to scratch/injured etc I couldn't believe it when Wilkins took our best player off AOC when other offensive players were having poor, poor games (mentioning no names).

Yes, I know Wilkins is temporary but to make a decision as blatantly wrong as that left me confused and upset. He said he had to change things but why take the only positive attacking player off?

Strange how some players seem to be immune from the subs board. Barnard was foolish for getting that daft red card as he has been our most consistent player and we could have done with him Saturday and no doubt for the next 2 games, esp as Lambert looks out of form/injured.

As for the "my stand is better than your stand" crap, I can do without that. Yes, I stand in the Northam, yes I sing a few anti-Pompey songs but that is part and parcel of it, but at the same time I try and encourage the team and help create an atmosphere.

Don't really get the "one Alan Pardew" chants, they didn't help anyone out really and funny how people only missed him when the result was going against us.

It is imperative that NC gets the right long term man at the helm now so that we can get that stability that we yearn for and build rather than this constant merry go round.

What is all this crap about who sings most and who doesnt. Does anyone really believe that success on the pitch is dependant on mindless chanting or singing. Full responsibility rests with the PLAYERS and the MANAGER. Fans pay good money for a season ticket or entrance fee to see professional players perform. Fans are the lifeblood of a Club and football is a form of entertainment. Nobody goes to a Concert and expects a performer to perform if they shout loud enough to encourage him. They clap and cheer when he performs as he is expected to do. Football fans very quickly respond when players deliver what they are paid very good money to do and fans pay hard earned money to see. Fans have a perfect right to let it be known when they are not getting what they feel they deserve.

spratt wrote:
What is all this crap about who sings most and who doesnt. Does anyone really believe that success on the pitch is dependant on mindless chanting or singing. Full responsibility rests with the PLAYERS and the MANAGER. Fans pay good money for a season ticket or entrance fee to see professional players perform. Fans are the lifeblood of a Club and football is a form of entertainment. Nobody goes to a Concert and expects a performer to perform if they shout loud enough to encourage him. They clap and cheer when he performs as he is expected to do. Football fans very quickly respond when players deliver what they are paid very good money to do and fans pay hard earned money to see. Fans have a perfect right to let it be known when they are not getting what they feel they deserve.

Make up your mind, is it mindless or do we have a right whether it be through song and chanting = encouragement and getting involved (the supporters way) or not clapping now and again (the spectators way) plus why compare music with sport it is a totally different type of entertainment however people still cheer sing and dance even at the last night at the prom's

Jason D wrote:

nicola cortese is god wrote:

Becky67 wrote:

costa gaz wrote: Was it just the northam end chanting against Wilkins? I suspect it was, never been known for their intelligence, humour or originality have they? Is chanting Pardews name going to help matters? Give the guy a break.

I think most of the ground were chanting against Wilkins at the Oxlade- Chamberlain substitution. Itchen North certainly were. "There's only one Alan Pardew was only sang once by Saints fans after the 2nd goal went in. The rest of the time it was the Rochdale fans

well the kingsland and the chapel have been known for................. nothing!!!!!!!they dont even sing when we winning!!what a douch bag/lun

Sorry, but it really winds me up when anyone attacks people in the Northam Stand. The people in the Northam Stand are the ones responsible for creating any sort of atmosphere at St Marys. Without them, you'd get more atmosphere and joy watching the match at home. In my opinion, the dreadful mood in recent years is down more to fans in the other three sides of the ground, who clearly can't sing unless we're a goal up or playing well. No wonder the lads can't play to their potentials at homes – it's more the murmuring, moaning and basic non-support from three quarters of the ground that's unsettling them. The people in the Northam are one of the few elements that help us retain any sort of link to spirit of the Dell. I totally agree that slagging off players and managers during games is totally counter productive, but I think this week it is inevitable. There has to be some way to vent frustration after what's been a shameful week for our club. Wrong target, but who can blame them?

well said mate.if it wasnt for the northam our ground would be like a morgue.

spratt wrote:
What is all this crap about who sings most and who doesnt. Does anyone really believe that success on the pitch is dependant on mindless chanting or singing. Full responsibility rests with the PLAYERS and the MANAGER. Fans pay good money for a season ticket or entrance fee to see professional players perform. Fans are the lifeblood of a Club and football is a form of entertainment. Nobody goes to a Concert and expects a performer to perform if they shout loud enough to encourage him. They clap and cheer when he performs as he is expected to do. Football fans very quickly respond when players deliver what they are paid very good money to do and fans pay hard earned money to see. Fans have a perfect right to let it be known when they are not getting what they feel they deserve.

Football in England is about atmosphere and, though a cliche, ask any player or manager and they will tell you it DOES make a difference. That is why teams tend to prefer to play at home.

Newcastle couldn't have beaten Villa 6-0 without the hostile atmosphere of St James Park (where people sing by the way).

Equally, Newcastle would not have gone down were it not for the dour and oppressive atmosphere that a packed ground has when it is quiet or full of discontent. That is fact.

I'm quite happy for people to go along and not sing, but I don't call you mindless for doing it.

I honestly can't believe that people think it is unacceptable and offensive to sing anti-Pompey songs either.

I don't hate Pompey and I'm not mindless, but those songs are what the pantomine and fun of football are all about.

If you honestly want to pay good money to be sat in a sterile, quiet, soulless stadium I'm amazed, because any gig I've been to hasn't had that atmosphere.

At stadiums such as St James and Anfield you can't help but be impressed by the atmosphere and it has to effect the players on both sides positively (home) and negatively (away).

Maybe we need more mindless fans like them.

Folkestone Saint wrote:
If it turns out that AP was the wrong'un will all those who have given NC a bad time come on here and apologise. Nice to see also that the northam get greif for negative chants but never get the praise we deserve for getting some of the other sections going, I allways thought to support a team you let them know though song and chant and thats the difference between a supporter and a spectator

very true :-)

Sorry Jason I think you are missing my point which was that footballers are highly paid professionals presumed to possess appropriate skills. Surely they are not influenced by the crowd who are a mixture of home and away fans? In the heat of battle are they really thinking "why isnt anybody cheering me?" I firmly believe that in this "chicken and egg" situation the positive atmosphere is initiated by the expected professional skills of the players drawing response from the fans, not the reverse. We all saw what happened with England in South Africa.

Before you burst a lung blowing your own trumpet, may i suggest you have a look around the ground the next time you think your stand is the only one thats vocal. We fans in ITCHEN NORTH quite often shout down the away fans on our own. I thought you would of worked it out by now that when your in a crowd of people making a noise you cant hear what's going on somewhere else. The next time you think it's only you look around the ground and you will see others are helping you out.

nicola cortese is god wrote:

Jason D wrote:

nicola cortese is god wrote:

Becky67 wrote:

costa gaz wrote: Was it just the northam end chanting against Wilkins? I suspect it was, never been known for their intelligence, humour or originality have they? Is chanting Pardews name going to help matters? Give the guy a break.

I think most of the ground were chanting against Wilkins at the Oxlade- Chamberlain substitution. Itchen North certainly were. "There's only one Alan Pardew was only sang once by Saints fans after the 2nd goal went in. The rest of the time it was the Rochdale fans

well the kingsland and the chapel have been known for................. nothing!!!!!!!they dont even sing when we winning!!what a douch bag/lun

Sorry, but it really winds me up when anyone attacks people in the Northam Stand. The people in the Northam Stand are the ones responsible for creating any sort of atmosphere at St Marys. Without them, you'd get more atmosphere and joy watching the match at home. In my opinion, the dreadful mood in recent years is down more to fans in the other three sides of the ground, who clearly can't sing unless we're a goal up or playing well. No wonder the lads can't play to their potentials at homes – it's more the murmuring, moaning and basic non-support from three quarters of the ground that's unsettling them. The people in the Northam are one of the few elements that help us retain any sort of link to spirit of the Dell. I totally agree that slagging off players and managers during games is totally counter productive, but I think this week it is inevitable. There has to be some way to vent frustration after what's been a shameful week for our club. Wrong target, but who can blame them?

well said mate.if it wasnt for the northam our ground would be like a morgue.

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