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Guly do Prado waits to hear whether he will remain a Saints player
10:00am Sunday 2nd January 2011 in Sport
Guly do Prado
GULY do Prado says it is not up to him whether he remains a Saints player or not – but insists he is loving life at St Mary’s.
The forward, who turned 29 on New Year’s Eve, gave himself a belated birthday present with a pair of goals in yesterday’s 4-0 win over Exeter.
Guly has been on loan from Italian side AC Cesena since August, with Saints holding an option to buy him this month.
The Brazilian revealed he is enjoying his new life on the south coast, but explained his future is out of his own hands.
“I’m not really worried about that at the moment, I just want to help the team,” he said, through Portuguese-speaking teammate Jose Fonte.
“I’m settled in Southampton and I’m really happy here.
“I’m working hard and I hope everyone can see that, but at the end of the day it’s not my decision, so we’ll just wait and see what happens.”
Comments(52)
Saintsincethe60s
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10:08am Sun 2 Jan 11
So definately a thumbs up from me
Junctionseven
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11:01am Sun 2 Jan 11
kuwait Saint
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11:05am Sun 2 Jan 11
chocolatebox77
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11:07am Sun 2 Jan 11
franiow
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11:15am Sun 2 Jan 11
kuwait Saint wrote:Didn't you think it was odd that he's rarely seen without Fonte :-). Guly and NA are lucky we have a Portuguese at the club. Let his football do the talking and if he gets a permanent deal, then his family will help him settle.
Didn't realise that Guly can't speak English. It's no wonder he has taken a while to settle. he can obviously play when he needs to but he must struggle when understanding the game plan of the Manager ( and he has seen more than one of them!), frantic half time talks etc. Nearly scoring a hatrick is not going to help us negotiate his price down though
Harleysaint
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11:19am Sun 2 Jan 11
kuwait Saint wrote:Most of the skates that invade this site cant speak english either but it doesnt stop them.Guly is Brazilian and speeks Portugese. So does Jose so I doubt that there are any real probs when it comes to NA needing to get any points across.If NA wants him I believe NC will make it happen...Personaly I would sell on Puncheon as I dont think he was happy in div3 and use that cash to get Guly
Didn't realise that Guly can't speak English. It's no wonder he has taken a while to settle. he can obviously play when he needs to but he must struggle when understanding the game plan of the Manager ( and he has seen more than one of them!), frantic half time talks etc. Nearly scoring a hatrick is not going to help us negotiate his price down though
Seedhouse the Sequel
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11:27am Sun 2 Jan 11
I believe the price was agreed at the time the loan and option to buy was agreed.
Saints have had two fantastic home wins and the bad weather meant the injured could recover and be available for the manager to select. That does not mean we do not need to strengthen with 2-3 top players to guarantee promotion and form the back bone of a championship side.
bweaver89
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11:42am Sun 2 Jan 11
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we would be mad to sell one of our best players, especially now hes in such good form!! Millwall fighting their way into the championship playoffs, and Punch has been scoring all their goals, so hes a proven championship player, isn't that what we are after in the transfer window? enough said.. Recall please Nigel.
Junctionseven
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11:44am Sun 2 Jan 11
franiow
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11:45am Sun 2 Jan 11
Junctionseven
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11:49am Sun 2 Jan 11
bweaver89 wrote:Totally agree.
RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON we would be mad to sell one of our best players, especially now hes in such good form!! Millwall fighting their way into the championship playoffs, and Punch has been scoring all their goals, so hes a proven championship player, isn't that what we are after in the transfer window? enough said.. Recall please Nigel.
Get him back now he's doing what we were paying him to do (with no return) before he went on loan.
Bo(( 0cks to Millwall
COYR
franiow
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11:49am Sun 2 Jan 11
bweaver89 wrote:I agree but I don't think Punch wants to play for us. He's scoring for Millwall because he's happy there. NC said some time ago that he won't keep anyone who doesn't want to stay.
RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON we would be mad to sell one of our best players, especially now hes in such good form!! Millwall fighting their way into the championship playoffs, and Punch has been scoring all their goals, so hes a proven championship player, isn't that what we are after in the transfer window? enough said.. Recall please Nigel.
Seedhouse the Sequel
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11:52am Sun 2 Jan 11
franiow wrote:Fran the only player they have bought in is Chaplow, which is of course an excellent start. All the others are academy or AP's signings.
In the years that I have watched Saints we have had some good and some great players, some honest journeymen, and some indifferent players. We kept getting players in that filled a need and borrowed promising youngsters from top teams (and I don't think that always worked). This is the first time that I feel a team is being built to a plan. NC and NA are only interested in players that fit that plan. For instance, NC hasn't shown any interest in taking loanees from Prem clubs and I bet a few of them would be happy to put youngsters here with our set-up. Of course, some players don't work out and some mistakes will be made, but I feel that for once someone is in charge.
Two great home wins with virtually a fully fit squad can mask the thinness that is exposed when we have a few key injuries or suspensions which we saw recently.
But you're dead right they must bring in players that are here to feature in promotion and pushing on and not just make up the numbers.
Junctionseven
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11:59am Sun 2 Jan 11
franiow wrote:We won't get many loan players from Prem and Champ Teams because NA doesn't really have an affinity with the other managers especially the ones that were players.
In the years that I have watched Saints we have had some good and some great players, some honest journeymen, and some indifferent players. We kept getting players in that filled a need and borrowed promising youngsters from top teams (and I don't think that always worked). This is the first time that I feel a team is being built to a plan. NC and NA are only interested in players that fit that plan. For instance, NC hasn't shown any interest in taking loanees from Prem clubs and I bet a few of them would be happy to put youngsters here with our set-up. Of course, some players don't work out and some mistakes will be made, but I feel that for once someone is in charge.
Look at the players Gus Poyet can get due to his connections.
He's got at least 3 or 4 loanees from old mates of his.
That aside I'd rather do as you say and build a proper side and progress through the leagues with our own players.
Brighton and Portsmouth can carry on flouting the system whilst we quietly assemble our OWN teams for the future.
COYR Happy New Year All
franiow
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12:01pm Sun 2 Jan 11
Junctionseven
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12:13pm Sun 2 Jan 11
Junctionseven
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12:14pm Sun 2 Jan 11
Seedhouse the Sequel
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12:17pm Sun 2 Jan 11
franiow wrote:You're not alone, nor have I.
I was talking about last year as well, but you are right that we haven't signed many after the initial flurry. We always talk about the thinness of our squad, but what are other teams squads like. I'm asking because I have to admit that I don't know. Apart from knowing the better teams in our league by name, I know nothing about them I'm ashamed to say. When in the Prem I knew the other teams and their players but have never got a grip on either the Championship or League 1.
I suppose what I am saying is that if we have true strength indepth then when a player is injured/suspended/ou
t of form we should be able to replace him with one nearly as good. That will give us the "consistency" we have all been talking about.
If that is not the benefit of having more money than other teams then what is?
i had a wheelbarrow
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12:22pm Sun 2 Jan 11
franiow wrote:Exactly,he`s playing well for Millwall because he`s happy there, he clearly wasn't happy with us so surely this just adds up to holding Millwall up to ransom because plenty of other clubs will come in and offer 500 grand plus for him.Hope we sign Guly,sometimes you have to wander whether some our supporters realise that mlost clubs at this level would die to get there hands on a player like Guly.If he hopefully signs for us the art of Nigels managment skills will be to use the 4 quality strikers at the right time and the right place.Personally for the Daggers game i`d bench Guly and start with Lambert and Barnard,simply because i think that these 2 know how it works and what is required against sides like Dagenham away.
bweaver89 wrote:I agree but I don't think Punch wants to play for us. He's scoring for Millwall because he's happy there. NC said some time ago that he won't keep anyone who doesn't want to stay.
RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON we would be mad to sell one of our best players, especially now hes in such good form!! Millwall fighting their way into the championship playoffs, and Punch has been scoring all their goals, so hes a proven championship player, isn't that what we are after in the transfer window? enough said.. Recall please Nigel.
Tony in Liberia
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12:24pm Sun 2 Jan 11
Anyway, language can't be that much ofa problem in the game; he only really needs to learn "man on", "mine", "down the line", "shoot!" and "yes! You f*cking beauty! What a great goal! Can I hug you and kiss you in a manly fashion, please, you lovely player, you?"
Junctionseven
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12:25pm Sun 2 Jan 11
Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:That's why Puncheon should be recalled even if we do sign Guly as well.
franiow wrote: I was talking about last year as well, but you are right that we haven't signed many after the initial flurry. We always talk about the thinness of our squad, but what are other teams squads like. I'm asking because I have to admit that I don't know. Apart from knowing the better teams in our league by name, I know nothing about them I'm ashamed to say. When in the Prem I knew the other teams and their players but have never got a grip on either the Championship or League 1.You're not alone, nor have I. I suppose what I am saying is that if we have true strength indepth then when a player is injured/suspended/ou t of form we should be able to replace him with one nearly as good. That will give us the "consistency" we have all been talking about. If that is not the benefit of having more money than other teams then what is?
Now he's looking like the player we thought we had bought he could still become a Saints hero and be playing against Millwall next season with us.
It's only 5 months until the end of the season and 7-8 months from playing in the Championship if all goes well.
Seedhouse the Sequel
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12:42pm Sun 2 Jan 11
Junctionseven wrote:I thought Puncheon was outstanding last season. He had a dreadful start to this season but kept getting picked, the fans got on his back as a result. Just as he started to come good we dropped him and then shipped him out!
Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:That's why Puncheon should be recalled even if we do sign Guly as well. Now he's looking like the player we thought we had bought he could still become a Saints hero and be playing against Millwall next season with us. It's only 5 months until the end of the season and 7-8 months from playing in the Championship if all goes well.franiow wrote: I was talking about last year as well, but you are right that we haven't signed many after the initial flurry. We always talk about the thinness of our squad, but what are other teams squads like. I'm asking because I have to admit that I don't know. Apart from knowing the better teams in our league by name, I know nothing about them I'm ashamed to say. When in the Prem I knew the other teams and their players but have never got a grip on either the Championship or League 1.You're not alone, nor have I. I suppose what I am saying is that if we have true strength indepth then when a player is injured/suspended/ou t of form we should be able to replace him with one nearly as good. That will give us the "consistency" we have all been talking about. If that is not the benefit of having more money than other teams then what is?
We are told that NA is good with psychology, so it's his job to get inside the players head, find out what makes him tick, motivate him and get him playing his best for us.
I'd love to see him back but I don't think it will happen.
saints4eva12
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12:43pm Sun 2 Jan 11
bweaver89 wrote:we need him now hes found the form again BRING HIM HOME PLEASE
RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON we would be mad to sell one of our best players, especially now hes in such good form!! Millwall fighting their way into the championship playoffs, and Punch has been scoring all their goals, so hes a proven championship player, isn't that what we are after in the transfer window? enough said.. Recall please Nigel.
Ragworm.
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12:52pm Sun 2 Jan 11
Junctionseven
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1:02pm Sun 2 Jan 11
It's all well and good having a good first eleven but we need a good 25 so we can keep winning so we can get out of this league.
Paul Lucas
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1:55pm Sun 2 Jan 11
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I know he's our player and we 'own' him but we can't make him play as he is playing now if we bring him back against his will if you follow my drift. I think we should cash in on a bad deal.
Junctionseven
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2:13pm Sun 2 Jan 11
He and Puncheon whilst both on fire could play a half each every week as long as they didn't get injured and still be fresh as daisies at the end of the season.
Both of them could also play full games as and whe suspensions and injuries are taken into cocideration.
I still think Barny might being spending a bit of time at Her Majestys Pleasure soon so w'll need another player ready to replace him in the squad. Jason Puncheon might come back and start playing out of his skin for us, who knows?
Now if we were to get Charlie Austin or another proven goalscorer then maybe we could let Punchy go but only for a reasonable profit and give Chamberlain full games every week until the end of the season. (We need to get Chamberlain and Lallana signed and committed to the crusade asap first)
COYR
Junctionseven
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2:18pm Sun 2 Jan 11
Gary Clark
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2:45pm Sun 2 Jan 11
hedge end bob
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4:16pm Sun 2 Jan 11
bweaver89 wrote:Your not seeing the whole picture , when we signed him from MK DONS a Plymouth supporter came on here and stated PUNCHEON does this at every club he moves to. He will start off like a house on fire but, as soon as something dont go his way his interest is lost. Ask his SEVEN previous managers and how old is he? ...NO NO NO TAKE THE MONEY AND BUY SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO WEAR THE SHIRT!!!!!
RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON we would be mad to sell one of our best players, especially now hes in such good form!! Millwall fighting their way into the championship playoffs, and Punch has been scoring all their goals, so hes a proven championship player, isn't that what we are after in the transfer window? enough said.. Recall please Nigel.
Junctionseven
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4:23pm Sun 2 Jan 11
lol
COYR
Harleysaint
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4:35pm Sun 2 Jan 11
hedge end bob wrote:When your right your right BOB..;o)
bweaver89 wrote: RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON we would be mad to sell one of our best players, especially now hes in such good form!! Millwall fighting their way into the championship playoffs, and Punch has been scoring all their goals, so hes a proven championship player, isn't that what we are after in the transfer window? enough said.. Recall please Nigel.Your not seeing the whole picture , when we signed him from MK DONS a Plymouth supporter came on here and stated PUNCHEON does this at every club he moves to. He will start off like a house on fire but, as soon as something dont go his way his interest is lost. Ask his SEVEN previous managers and how old is he? ...NO NO NO TAKE THE MONEY AND BUY SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO WEAR THE SHIRT!!!!!
letiss25
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4:45pm Sun 2 Jan 11
Rowester
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4:51pm Sun 2 Jan 11
kuwait Saint wrote:Price would have already been set,NC has already proved he will not be held to ransom, Would hope we could get him for around 600k.
Didn't realise that Guly can't speak English. It's no wonder he has taken a while to settle. he can obviously play when he needs to but he must struggle when understanding the game plan of the Manager ( and he has seen more than one of them!), frantic half time talks etc. Nearly scoring a hatrick is not going to help us negotiate his price down though
Hope for a good win against the dagger 3-1 will do oxo to score first. COYR
slugger
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5:25pm Sun 2 Jan 11
letiss25 wrote:decided to take the plunge then ?.....welcome letiss25....enjoy !
sign him up adkins. just so everyone knows. i'm tim from the station, u people know who i am. this is my user name.
franiow
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5:33pm Sun 2 Jan 11
arm chair fan
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5:51pm Sun 2 Jan 11
franiow wrote:since punch whent on loan Hoames has picked up injury so less cover on wings plus if liverpool come in (i hope not) with silly money we have cover . so no hurry to sell punch
NA doesn't let much out of the bag, but when asked about Puncheon he said there were private discussions with the Millwall manager. That means that we are not just pulling Puncheon back but arguing about his price. If he doesn't want to be a Saints player get the best price, NC. We can then get someone who wants to play for us. It's a shame because he played well last year but that's life.
arm chair fan
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6:06pm Sun 2 Jan 11
SaintRachel
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6:17pm Sun 2 Jan 11
Family Bloke
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6:55pm Sun 2 Jan 11
SaintRachel wrote:Fully understand your reasoning for wanting him back, however I think we get attempt to get as much as we what we can for him from Millwall and use that money towards getting someone better, Puncheon has gone from a player who could the world alight to a player who couldn't switch on a light.
How much did we pay for Punch? I think we need him back, for all the two-game weeks ahead, and for injury-cover (especially with Holmes out til next season) and to keep pressure off Chambo, but also because we may not have Lallana or Chambo for very long. Mind you, Punch said Millwall fans were 'the best' the other day, so maybe he's more suited to their kind of football.
He scored a hat-trick and everyone wants him back, I don't, sell him and let's move on, the same goes for Wotton at Yeovil give him away or sell him, we are better than both of them, the lad Mills up at Doncaster I would bring back if they haven't already
Adam and Alex wont go in the wndow, unless stupid money is offered which I doubt it will
Tirau Dan
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7:42pm Sun 2 Jan 11
Tony in Liberia wrote:Smashing Tony! Hope you had a fantastic day back in the old haunt with Gossie and the group. It's almost like a lucky charm thing is going on now with us getting 4 every time an overseas fan returns hee hee.. good on you.
One of my favourite moments yesterday was the Ref giving Guly an ear-bashing after a foul in the middle of the park, and Guly looking all contrite and as if he was taking in the lesson properly and repenting, thus avoiding the chance of a booking, when all the time my brothers and I were chanting "He don't know what you're saying" since I doubt that the ref was fluent in Portuguese!
Anyway, language can't be that much ofa problem in the game; he only really needs to learn "man on", "mine", "down the line", "shoot!" and "yes! You f*cking beauty! What a great goal! Can I hug you and kiss you in a manly fashion, please, you lovely player, you?"
As for Guly and Punch.. Guly's options will be held by his club and the gaffer...he's done enough to get the nod for an upward marching L1 Team so now it will be Nic to splash. Punch is history for sure..no room for little primadonnas at Saints. He'll cost Millwall a little more than we paid for him though not much I would think.
st.athan saint
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8:09pm Sun 2 Jan 11
franiow wrote:couldn't agree more about puncheon.we simply don't have cover for ox or lalla if either are out and that could become a problem.not really sure he is desperate to leave us and can we really afford to let him go.
bweaver89 wrote: RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON RECALL JASON PUNCHEON we would be mad to sell one of our best players, especially now hes in such good form!! Millwall fighting their way into the championship playoffs, and Punch has been scoring all their goals, so hes a proven championship player, isn't that what we are after in the transfer window? enough said.. Recall please Nigel.I agree but I don't think Punch wants to play for us. He's scoring for Millwall because he's happy there. NC said some time ago that he won't keep anyone who doesn't want to stay.
Exiled Saint
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8:31pm Sun 2 Jan 11
Failing that Adkins could always raid scunnie for Garry thompson.
But no need at all to keep a petulant player who is not interested.
slugger
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9:34pm Sun 2 Jan 11
Exiled Saint wrote:couldn't agree more !......puncheon don't want to be here,end of !
Balls to Puncheon, let him go and use the money to get that Marc Pugh lad from Bournemuff. Failing that Adkins could always raid scunnie for Garry thompson. But no need at all to keep a petulant player who is not interested.
Gossie.
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9:56pm Sun 2 Jan 11
Yony and Norgy, where were you on Saturday
BrixtonSaint
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10:29pm Sun 2 Jan 11
slugger wrote:this....
Exiled Saint wrote:couldn't agree more !......puncheon don't want to be here,end of !
Balls to Puncheon, let him go and use the money to get that Marc Pugh lad from Bournemuff. Failing that Adkins could always raid scunnie for Garry thompson. But no need at all to keep a petulant player who is not interested.
he's a homeboy, likes his mother's cooking and being near his bro's. Let him go
Jesus_02
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11:54pm Sun 2 Jan 11
BrixtonSaint wrote:Rumours of him going to Newcastle. That might mean a tidy profit. BTW dont bother with a sell on, get cash in the bank he will be disintrested again in 6 months
slugger wrote:this....
Exiled Saint wrote:couldn't agree more !......puncheon don't want to be here,end of !
Balls to Puncheon, let him go and use the money to get that Marc Pugh lad from Bournemuff. Failing that Adkins could always raid scunnie for Garry thompson. But no need at all to keep a petulant player who is not interested.
he's a homeboy, likes his mother's cooking and being near his bro's. Let him go
i had a wheelbarrow
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12:47am Mon 3 Jan 11
Jesus_02 wrote:Exactly just get the best price and get a new winger in, someone who wants to come here and be part of something special.Punch has talent for sure but something has gone on behind the scene and he doesn't want to be here.Fact.
BrixtonSaint wrote:Rumours of him going to Newcastle. That might mean a tidy profit. BTW dont bother with a sell on, get cash in the bank he will be disintrested again in 6 months
slugger wrote:this....
Exiled Saint wrote:couldn't agree more !......puncheon don't want to be here,end of !
Balls to Puncheon, let him go and use the money to get that Marc Pugh lad from Bournemuff. Failing that Adkins could always raid scunnie for Garry thompson. But no need at all to keep a petulant player who is not interested.
he's a homeboy, likes his mother's cooking and being near his bro's. Let him go
Tirau Dan
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4:46am Mon 3 Jan 11
Trust in Nic and Nige
SaintRachel
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10:28am Mon 3 Jan 11
Someone said they saw Best at the Exeter match...
stowaway73
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11:13am Mon 3 Jan 11
Junctionseven wrote:Brighton fan in peace...Junctionseve
franiow wrote: In the years that I have watched Saints we have had some good and some great players, some honest journeymen, and some indifferent players. We kept getting players in that filled a need and borrowed promising youngsters from top teams (and I don't think that always worked). This is the first time that I feel a team is being built to a plan. NC and NA are only interested in players that fit that plan. For instance, NC hasn't shown any interest in taking loanees from Prem clubs and I bet a few of them would be happy to put youngsters here with our set-up. Of course, some players don't work out and some mistakes will be made, but I feel that for once someone is in charge.We won't get many loan players from Prem and Champ Teams because NA doesn't really have an affinity with the other managers especially the ones that were players. Look at the players Gus Poyet can get due to his connections. He's got at least 3 or 4 loanees from old mates of his. That aside I'd rather do as you say and build a proper side and progress through the leagues with our own players. Brighton and Portsmouth can carry on flouting the system whilst we quietly assemble our OWN teams for the future. COYR Happy New Year All
n, how exactly is Gus Poyet flouting the system? He is simply using his contacts, it's called having an advantage...the same as Saints using their superior spending power to the rest of the division is also having an advantage. You have to make the most of the resources you have.
...And please do not put us in the same bracket as Pompey as we have not broken any rules or bought 2 fa cup final appearences with money we dont have.
Good luck for the rest of the season Saints...hope we are both in the mix in May.
click2find
franiow says...
10:08am Sun 2 Jan 11