Saints reveal latest financial figures (From Daily Echo)

willygetaway wrote:
i still think we should name the staduim after the big fella RIP Markus COYR

Norwegian Saint wrote:

willygetaway wrote:
i still think we should name the staduim after the big fella RIP Markus COYR

I wrote to the DE about starting a campaign regarding this. The big man deserves more than a memorial match. Maybe the family are against it but without Markus and the Liebherr family we would not be where we are today.

Norwegian Saint wrote:

willygetaway wrote:
i still think we should name the staduim after the big fella RIP Markus COYR

I wrote to the DE about starting a campaign regarding this. The big man deserves more than a memorial match. Maybe the family are against it but without Markus and the Liebherr family we would not be where we are today.

willygetaway wrote:
i still think we should name the staduim after the big fella RIP Markus
COYR

Shareholder wrote:
I posted this earlier but it's been removed. Why? There's no bad language and nothing offensive. Surely the Echo can take some criticism of its journalistic content?

What a ridiculous article. No figures, just a sensationalist piece of cheap journalism trying to suggest that the Liebherrs are about to sell up and cash in. You could have written a story about the Liebherrs seeing through their father's plan and ensuring the club is free of the sort of burden faced by the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea by consuming the debt themselves. But then this is the Echo. No wonder Cortese banned you.

willygetaway wrote:
i still think we should name the staduim after the big fella RIP Markus
COYR

Shareholder wrote:
I posted this earlier but it's been removed. Why? There's no bad language and nothing offensive. Surely the Echo can take some criticism of its journalistic content?

What a ridiculous article. No figures, just a sensationalist piece of cheap journalism trying to suggest that the Liebherrs are about to sell up and cash in. You could have written a story about the Liebherrs seeing through their father's plan and ensuring the club is free of the sort of burden faced by the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea by consuming the debt themselves. But then this is the Echo. No wonder Cortese banned you.

Shareholder wrote:
I posted this earlier but it's been removed. Why? There's no bad language and nothing offensive. Surely the Echo can take some criticism of its journalistic content?

What a ridiculous article. No figures, just a sensationalist piece of cheap journalism trying to suggest that the Liebherrs are about to sell up and cash in. You could have written a story about the Liebherrs seeing through their father's plan and ensuring the club is free of the sort of burden faced by the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea by consuming the debt themselves. But then this is the Echo. No wonder Cortese banned you.

SaintL-Y wrote:
This just goes to show how fragile the football business model is. The club made a loss of £11.5million on turnover of £16.4 and if it hadn't been for the generosity of the Liebherr family we'd be out of business! Clearly 93% wage cost is unsustainable, and we'd have to hope that anticpiated revenues going forward, and a sensible wage structure will see us right. One note of caution, if the Estate keeps investing, but effectively keeps increasing the value of its shareholding, it won't be too long before we get to a position that should they wish to sell up, the 'value' of those shares may not reflect market value for the business. Having said that, I like what I've seen so far in terms of investment in the infrastructure of the club and I'm sure Cortese and co have a tight handle on the businesses finances! Onwards and upwards! COYR PTJ FOP

Lone Ranger. wrote:
On goal.com
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Mystery consortium in talks to buy Southampton for £25m
The family of late owner Markus Liebherr are ready to sell the club but the asking price has risen because of the growing expectation of Premier League status next season

truelysaints wrote:

Shareholder wrote:
I posted this earlier but it's been removed. Why? There's no bad language and nothing offensive. Surely the Echo can take some criticism of its journalistic content?

What a ridiculous article. No figures, just a sensationalist piece of cheap journalism trying to suggest that the Liebherrs are about to sell up and cash in. You could have written a story about the Liebherrs seeing through their father's plan and ensuring the club is free of the sort of burden faced by the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea by consuming the debt themselves. But then this is the Echo. No wonder Cortese banned you.

Some possible truth in this. Call me a cynic but experience is that very few buyers of football clubs do it for love of the club. They all, by and large, see it as a business. Think about it. What is the Liebher's historic connection with the club? None. Why would they want to invest in the club as they have? How often have they flown over to see the team play? Do you not think that once in the premier league the clubs value will increase ten fold? Don't hold your breath that the club will continue in the Leibherr's hands and that's OK. Business is business is business, and yes it really was good that they came along in our of need but lets not carried away and be realistic that at the end of the day its a business. After all this I still think we are the greatest since slice bread and the Leibherr family should be thanked but lets have our feet on the ground. Now you can all have a go at me.

BlandfordSaint wrote:
The wage bill must come down - reckon we will lose these:

Bart
Forecast
Butters
Dickson
Harding
Jedi
Seabourne
Holmes
Puncheon
Hammond
Conners
Barnard
Forte
Doble
Falque and a few nippers

That will enable us to bring in 3/4 quality players next season regardless of what league we are in

Your thoughts

BlandfordSaint wrote:
The wage bill must come down - reckon we will lose these:

Bart
Forecast
Butters
Dickson
Harding
Jedi
Seabourne
Holmes
Puncheon
Hammond
Conners
Barnard
Forte
Doble
Falque and a few nippers

That will enable us to bring in 3/4 quality players next season regardless of what league we are in

Your thoughts

BlandfordSaint wrote:
The wage bill must come down - reckon we will lose these: Bart Forecast Butters Dickson Harding Jedi Seabourne Holmes Puncheon Hammond Conners Barnard Forte Doble Falque and a few nippers That will enable us to bring in 3/4 quality players next season regardless of what league we are in Your thoughts

Lone Ranger. wrote:
On goal.com
.
Mystery consortium in talks to buy Southampton for £25m
The family of late owner Markus Liebherr are ready to sell the club but the asking price has risen because of the growing expectation of Premier League status next season

Confucious wrote:
These are good numbers. The club is debt free and owns excellent assets which are receiving substantial further investment. Very few clubs are in this position. There is no reason whatsoever to believe that Markus bought the club purely as a business investment. This would make no sense whatsoever, either in terms of need or 'business fit', in the context and nature of the extremely successful business empire which the family owns and has built over decades. There is also no evidence at all that the business culture of the Liebherr family is 'speculative' in nature - in fact it's the complete opposite. Their superb business was built steadily and over a long period - as indeed very many great German companies have been. I think it was clear that by the time Markus passed away he had grown a considerable emotional attachment to the club - and duly made good and careful provision for it's future before he died. I have no doubt either that his family will honour his wishes. As things stand I think the club is more of an enduring legacy to Markus than it is a transitory financial investment. Continued respect for the memory of the man from fans and continuing wise handling of the club's affairs by the management team should ensure that things stay that way. I'm confident both will happen. We are very very fortunate.

Jesus_02 wrote:
I dont think that the article is sensationalist at all. Its just unwelcome news.

Marcus and the Liebherrs have been fantastic for the club and more than anything have given it stabilty and trust.

It will be a sad day when they sell up, but one we where all expecting.

The plan was always to make the club self reliant. And for that we can only be grateful

There is always a risk that someone like the glaziers will take advantage. In my view it should be up to the FA to ensure that this doesnt happen.

We live in hope

Saintsayer II wrote:

Jesus_02 wrote:
I dont think that the article is sensationalist at all. Its just unwelcome news.

Marcus and the Liebherrs have been fantastic for the club and more than anything have given it stabilty and trust.

It will be a sad day when they sell up, but one we where all expecting.

The plan was always to make the club self reliant. And for that we can only be grateful

There is always a risk that someone like the glaziers will take advantage. In my view it should be up to the FA to ensure that this doesnt happen.

We live in hope

i disagree with the premise that the family will sell up once it becomes a going concern If you examine their record from 1947 they have never built up and then sold any part of their empire except to another member of he family Why would they start now?

saintsaustralia wrote:
Shareholder, calm down, without the echo, we in Australia who are just as loyal fans of SFC as you are (hope so after travelling 9 times back and forth to see the Saints play) love the stories the Echo prints. Do not forget that SFC are a company and if we really want their figures (which I must admit I find interesting) I can obtain them for a very small fee. Why would the Echo print even the most basic P and L, balance sheets and cash flow projections for the next 3 months, when most of us wouldnt understand this. The great thing about the UK is that you as we do in Australia have freedom of choice in what we choose to read. I wouldnt choose the Echo as a source of financial information for SFC. You surely would have better sources of information to find this information as opposed to moaning and groaning about the Echo, which most of us find OK, for passive reading. Mate, the storey didn't indicate anything of the sort about the family selling their shares in the club. I would suggest you have read this completley incorrectly and have become very confused also. Mate, fredom of choice, if you don't like it Fxxx off and moan somewhere else, we loyal fans do not need it.

Billy_The_Fish wrote:
So lets have a look at wot the liebehrrs have to show for there money. A 32,000 seater stadium, a fantastic academy, a large loyal fan base, a team top of the champ & challenging for the PL & all for 33M. Now wot do the skates have to show for their 180m debt.......er oh yeah nothing. The futures bright its Red & White :)

gooner1711 wrote:

Billy_The_Fish wrote: So lets have a look at wot the liebehrrs have to show for there money. A 32,000 seater stadium, a fantastic academy, a large loyal fan base, a team top of the champ & challenging for the PL & all for 33M. Now wot do the skates have to show for their 180m debt.......er oh yeah nothing. The futures bright its Red & White :)

I think you'll find you have Woopert to thank for the stadium.....

Confucious wrote:

saintsaustralia wrote: Shareholder, calm down, without the echo, we in Australia who are just as loyal fans of SFC as you are (hope so after travelling 9 times back and forth to see the Saints play) love the stories the Echo prints. Do not forget that SFC are a company and if we really want their figures (which I must admit I find interesting) I can obtain them for a very small fee. Why would the Echo print even the most basic P and L, balance sheets and cash flow projections for the next 3 months, when most of us wouldnt understand this. The great thing about the UK is that you as we do in Australia have freedom of choice in what we choose to read. I wouldnt choose the Echo as a source of financial information for SFC. You surely would have better sources of information to find this information as opposed to moaning and groaning about the Echo, which most of us find OK, for passive reading. Mate, the storey didn't indicate anything of the sort about the family selling their shares in the club. I would suggest you have read this completley incorrectly and have become very confused also. Mate, fredom of choice, if you don't like it Fxxx off and moan somewhere else, we loyal fans do not need it.

Good point about the Echo site regarding the far away fans. Keeps you up to date and in touch with all the gossip. AND IT'S FREE! And it reminds the rest of us just how many Saints there are all over the world - and what a global Saints community we all belong to. So well done Echo. By the way could you or NZ Rob remember to let us know early Saturday UK how we got on against Blackpool - and the Wet Spam/Reading result. Ta. Walzing Matilda!

gooner1711 wrote:

Billy_The_Fish wrote:
So lets have a look at wot the liebehrrs have to show for there money. A 32,000 seater stadium, a fantastic academy, a large loyal fan base, a team top of the champ & challenging for the PL & all for 33M. Now wot do the skates have to show for their 180m debt.......er oh yeah nothing. The futures bright its Red & White :)

I think you'll find you have Woopert to thank for the stadium.....

gooner1711 wrote:

Billy_The_Fish wrote:
So lets have a look at wot the liebehrrs have to show for there money. A 32,000 seater stadium, a fantastic academy, a large loyal fan base, a team top of the champ & challenging for the PL & all for 33M. Now wot do the skates have to show for their 180m debt.......er oh yeah nothing. The futures bright its Red & White :)

I think you'll find you have Woopert to thank for the stadium.....

Over the Edge wrote:

gooner1711 wrote:

Billy_The_Fish wrote:
So lets have a look at wot the liebehrrs have to show for there money. A 32,000 seater stadium, a fantastic academy, a large loyal fan base, a team top of the champ & challenging for the PL & all for 33M. Now wot do the skates have to show for their 180m debt.......er oh yeah nothing. The futures bright its Red & White :)

I think you'll find you have Woopert to thank for the stadium.....

Woopert to thank for the stadium?

You are taking the p!ss of course?

Any fool can get a bank loan and employ contractors to build something.

It takes hard work to pay for it, something Woopert never did.

The only thing to thank that man for is the fact that he fcuked off once and for all.

george chivers wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

gooner1711 wrote:

Billy_The_Fish wrote:
So lets have a look at wot the liebehrrs have to show for there money. A 32,000 seater stadium, a fantastic academy, a large loyal fan base, a team top of the champ & challenging for the PL & all for 33M. Now wot do the skates have to show for their 180m debt.......er oh yeah nothing. The futures bright its Red & White :)

I think you'll find you have Woopert to thank for the stadium.....

Woopert to thank for the stadium?

You are taking the p!ss of course?

Any fool can get a bank loan and employ contractors to build something.

It takes hard work to pay for it, something Woopert never did.

The only thing to thank that man for is the fact that he fcuked off once and for all.

Yep! Spot on!!

Confucious wrote:

saintsaustralia wrote:
Shareholder, calm down, without the echo, we in Australia who are just as loyal fans of SFC as you are (hope so after travelling 9 times back and forth to see the Saints play) love the stories the Echo prints. Do not forget that SFC are a company and if we really want their figures (which I must admit I find interesting) I can obtain them for a very small fee. Why would the Echo print even the most basic P and L, balance sheets and cash flow projections for the next 3 months, when most of us wouldnt understand this. The great thing about the UK is that you as we do in Australia have freedom of choice in what we choose to read. I wouldnt choose the Echo as a source of financial information for SFC. You surely would have better sources of information to find this information as opposed to moaning and groaning about the Echo, which most of us find OK, for passive reading. Mate, the storey didn't indicate anything of the sort about the family selling their shares in the club. I would suggest you have read this completley incorrectly and have become very confused also. Mate, fredom of choice, if you don't like it Fxxx off and moan somewhere else, we loyal fans do not need it.

Good point about the Echo site regarding the far away fans. Keeps you up to date and in touch with all the gossip. AND IT'S FREE!

And it reminds the rest of us just how many Saints there are all over the world - and what a global Saints community we all belong to.

So well done Echo.

By the way could you or NZ Rob remember to let us know early Saturday UK how we got on against Blackpool - and the Wet Spam/Reading result. Ta.

Walzing Matilda!

Mush On The Beach wrote:

george chivers wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

gooner1711 wrote:

Billy_The_Fish wrote:
So lets have a look at wot the liebehrrs have to show for there money. A 32,000 seater stadium, a fantastic academy, a large loyal fan base, a team top of the champ & challenging for the PL & all for 33M. Now wot do the skates have to show for their 180m debt.......er oh yeah nothing. The futures bright its Red & White :)

I think you'll find you have Woopert to thank for the stadium.....

Woopert to thank for the stadium?

You are taking the p!ss of course?

Any fool can get a bank loan and employ contractors to build something.

It takes hard work to pay for it, something Woopert never did.

The only thing to thank that man for is the fact that he fcuked off once and for all.

Yep! Spot on!!

Not strictly true.
Poopey couldn’t raise the funds when in the Prem from their bank manager at HSBC to rebuild their toilet of a ground .... That’s why I’ll still bank with them

Over the Edge wrote:

Mush On The Beach wrote:

george chivers wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

gooner1711 wrote:

Billy_The_Fish wrote: So lets have a look at wot the liebehrrs have to show for there money. A 32,000 seater stadium, a fantastic academy, a large loyal fan base, a team top of the champ & challenging for the PL & all for 33M. Now wot do the skates have to show for their 180m debt.......er oh yeah nothing. The futures bright its Red & White :)

I think you'll find you have Woopert to thank for the stadium.....

Woopert to thank for the stadium? You are taking the p!ss of course? Any fool can get a bank loan and employ contractors to build something. It takes hard work to pay for it, something Woopert never did. The only thing to thank that man for is the fact that he fcuked off once and for all.

Yep! Spot on!!

Not strictly true. Poopey couldn’t raise the funds when in the Prem from their bank manager at HSBC to rebuild their toilet of a ground .... That’s why I’ll still bank with them

I said any fool, not total fcuking idiots. Even HSBC know a bad thing when they see it

Stafford Saint wrote:
Saints were 'for sale' on and off for several years prior to the Cortese/ Liebherr takeover. I think it is going to be more common to buy clubs in administration in the future, especially if the potential is right.

Stafford Saint wrote:
Saints were 'for sale' on and off for several years prior to the Cortese/ Liebherr takeover. I think it is going to be more common to buy clubs in administration in the future, especially if the potential is right.

Stafford Saint wrote:
Saints were 'for sale' on and off for several years prior to the Cortese/ Liebherr takeover. I think it is going to be more common to buy clubs in administration in the future, especially if the potential is right.

Folkestone Saint wrote:

Stafford Saint wrote: Saints were 'for sale' on and off for several years prior to the Cortese/ Liebherr takeover. I think it is going to be more common to buy clubs in administration in the future, especially if the potential is right.

Do you mean ONLY if the potential is right, which the blue fewer don't have

Red n White Army wrote:
Here's a link to the Radio Solent interview with Saints chief financial officer.

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/sport/0/football/17

548088

Upshot, everything going better than expected.

Lone Ranger. wrote:
On goal.com
.
Mystery consortium in talks to buy Southampton for £25m
The family of late owner Markus Liebherr are ready to sell the club but the asking price has risen because of the growing expectation of Premier League status next season

Folkestone Saint wrote:

Confucious wrote:

saintsaustralia wrote:
Shareholder, calm down, without the echo, we in Australia who are just as loyal fans of SFC as you are (hope so after travelling 9 times back and forth to see the Saints play) love the stories the Echo prints. Do not forget that SFC are a company and if we really want their figures (which I must admit I find interesting) I can obtain them for a very small fee. Why would the Echo print even the most basic P and L, balance sheets and cash flow projections for the next 3 months, when most of us wouldnt understand this. The great thing about the UK is that you as we do in Australia have freedom of choice in what we choose to read. I wouldnt choose the Echo as a source of financial information for SFC. You surely would have better sources of information to find this information as opposed to moaning and groaning about the Echo, which most of us find OK, for passive reading. Mate, the storey didn't indicate anything of the sort about the family selling their shares in the club. I would suggest you have read this completley incorrectly and have become very confused also. Mate, fredom of choice, if you don't like it Fxxx off and moan somewhere else, we loyal fans do not need it.

Good point about the Echo site regarding the far away fans. Keeps you up to date and in touch with all the gossip. AND IT'S FREE!

And it reminds the rest of us just how many Saints there are all over the world - and what a global Saints community we all belong to.

So well done Echo.

By the way could you or NZ Rob remember to let us know early Saturday UK how we got on against Blackpool - and the Wet Spam/Reading result. Ta.

Walzing Matilda!

You beat me to that question, by the way as you know all known words including get by in cling-on what is the word for a homosexual who has a go at me for being straight

pompey phil wrote:
Okay, this is not me being jealous because i'm not,in fact well done for your current position,but be very wary of anything you lot are being told it could all come crashing down in a matter of weeks ,days or even hours, if Roman pulled out of Chelsea tomorrow they would be bust by sat morning and the same with man city, and man utd, or even spurs,football club owners never tell the whole story to any bunch of fans,who ever they are, i hope you never have to go through what we are going through and have owner after owner after owner once they decide to sell,because you been there we been there and we both need to survive to keep the friendly rivalry going,so dont get drawn in too much about financial figures they dont mean jack, because once they go and sell the mess is unvield, see you on the 7th and heres to a good derby match and a good game of football with no trouble PUP,PTID

pompey phil wrote:
Okay, this is not me being jealous because i'm not,in fact well done for your current position,but be very wary of anything you lot are being told it could all come crashing down in a matter of weeks ,days or even hours, if Roman pulled out of Chelsea tomorrow they would be bust by sat morning and the same with man city, and man utd, or even spurs,football club owners never tell the whole story to any bunch of fans,who ever they are, i hope you never have to go through what we are going through and have owner after owner after owner once they decide to sell,because you been there we been there and we both need to survive to keep the friendly rivalry going,so dont get drawn in too much about financial figures they dont mean jack, because once they go and sell the mess is unvield, see you on the 7th and heres to a good derby match and a good game of football with no trouble PUP,PTID

pompey phil wrote:
Okay, this is not me being jealous because i'm not,in fact well done for your current position,but be very wary of anything you lot are being told it could all come crashing down in a matter of weeks ,days or even hours, if Roman pulled out of Chelsea tomorrow they would be bust by sat morning and the same with man city, and man utd, or even spurs,football club owners never tell the whole story to any bunch of fans,who ever they are, i hope you never have to go through what we are going through and have owner after owner after owner once they decide to sell,because you been there we been there and we both need to survive to keep the friendly rivalry going,so dont get drawn in too much about financial figures they dont mean jack, because once they go and sell the mess is unvield, see you on the 7th and heres to a good derby match and a good game of football with no trouble PUP,PTID

tugboat wrote:

pompey phil wrote:
Okay, this is not me being jealous because i'm not,in fact well done for your current position,but be very wary of anything you lot are being told it could all come crashing down in a matter of weeks ,days or even hours, if Roman pulled out of Chelsea tomorrow they would be bust by sat morning and the same with man city, and man utd, or even spurs,football club owners never tell the whole story to any bunch of fans,who ever they are, i hope you never have to go through what we are going through and have owner after owner after owner once they decide to sell,because you been there we been there and we both need to survive to keep the friendly rivalry going,so dont get drawn in too much about financial figures they dont mean jack, because once they go and sell the mess is unvield, see you on the 7th and heres to a good derby match and a good game of football with no trouble PUP,PTID

Polite post deserves a polite and measured response.
There is no way on le gods earth that the saints dream will come "crashing down" any time soon.
In Nicola Cortese we have a visionary who is driven to getting us self-financed in the future. I have no doubt he will acheive it,the investment in the academy etc will elevate us to a standard that exceeds present fifa requirements,a standard that so called top clubs have yet to acheive or aspire to.
Pompeys plight was driven by greed,fact,and that is not applicable to saints at present or ever will be.
I enjoy the rivalry,but to be honest,if you go-you go.
Saints will still be here marching on.Did you at any point when you were all rejoicing the cup win even bother to look behind the scenes at the debacle that was about to unfold,No, you were blinded by stupidity,you are the architects of your own downfall and dont deserve or should expect pity .
Weve had our hard times,but always remained grounded,and now we are enjoying the "sanity "that prevails around St Marys.
We will be the glowing example of how it should be done, saints fans have experienced the bad times that you seem to imply are exclusive to you,but we always turned up in numbers and backed the team,hand on your heart pompey phil,can you say the same ?

pompey phil wrote:
Okay, this is not me being jealous because i'm not,in fact well done for your current position,but be very wary of anything you lot are being told it could all come crashing down in a matter of weeks ,days or even hours, if Roman pulled out of Chelsea tomorrow they would be bust by sat morning and the same with man city, and man utd, or even spurs,football club owners never tell the whole story to any bunch of fans,who ever they are, i hope you never have to go through what we are going through and have owner after owner after owner once they decide to sell,because you been there we been there and we both need to survive to keep the friendly rivalry going,so dont get drawn in too much about financial figures they dont mean jack, because once they go and sell the mess is unvield, see you on the 7th and heres to a good derby match and a good game of football with no trouble PUP,PTID

saintkenny wrote:

pompey phil wrote:
Okay, this is not me being jealous because i'm not,in fact well done for your current position,but be very wary of anything you lot are being told it could all come crashing down in a matter of weeks ,days or even hours, if Roman pulled out of Chelsea tomorrow they would be bust by sat morning and the same with man city, and man utd, or even spurs,football club owners never tell the whole story to any bunch of fans,who ever they are, i hope you never have to go through what we are going through and have owner after owner after owner once they decide to sell,because you been there we been there and we both need to survive to keep the friendly rivalry going,so dont get drawn in too much about financial figures they dont mean jack, because once they go and sell the mess is unvield, see you on the 7th and heres to a good derby match and a good game of football with no trouble PUP,PTID

point is all the clubs like you got in debt because there cheating status paying wages they cannot afford ,this was not the reason saints went in debt ,the club ad cash the players wages were within the cost of accounts .the board wasted the cash ,to this day no players has ever been paid more than 10.000 .still the highest paid out is for delap way back in 2000 ,when st marys opened .the board just did take on the right manager so many managers all the compensation had to be paid ,the fans had enough of lowe wanted him out ,and stopped going to the games .lowe wanted to sell but he did not get a buyer .so we have not actually cheated status .so your above remarks make no difference to us .i mean still a player is on 35000 a week .what is the point in cheating status we dont .qpr is now ,but swasea in norwich dont ,it can be done ,after well we were in the premier div 1 for 27 years never cheating status with a 15.000 stadium so wake up to reality do not be deluded .,up the saints stid forever non corrupt and non cheating status

Red n White Army wrote:
Here's a link to the Radio Solent interview with Saints chief financial officer.

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/sport/0/football/17

548088

Upshot, everything going better than expected.

Skating on thin ice wrote:
Hmm, so what do we have here? You needed a major input of funds from your wealthy foreign owners so that you could buy promotion with players who you couldn't afford from your own resources. Wage bill 93% of turnover, way way in excess of UEFA's sustainability guidelines. Good investment business by the owners? Or cheating? Depends whose website you're on I suppose.

Skating on thin ice wrote:
Hmm, so what do we have here? You needed a major input of funds from your wealthy foreign owners so that you could buy promotion with players who you couldn't afford from your own resources. Wage bill 93% of turnover, way way in excess of UEFA's sustainability guidelines. Good investment business by the owners? Or cheating? Depends whose website you're on I suppose.

slugger wrote:

Skating on thin ice wrote:
Hmm, so what do we have here? You needed a major input of funds from your wealthy foreign owners so that you could buy promotion with players who you couldn't afford from your own resources. Wage bill 93% of turnover, way way in excess of UEFA's sustainability guidelines. Good investment business by the owners? Or cheating? Depends whose website you're on I suppose.

pompey are cheating NOW by fielding a team they cannot afford pay , dosn't compare to an owner investing in his football club , silly skate !

pompey phil wrote:

slugger wrote:

Skating on thin ice wrote:
Hmm, so what do we have here? You needed a major input of funds from your wealthy foreign owners so that you could buy promotion with players who you couldn't afford from your own resources. Wage bill 93% of turnover, way way in excess of UEFA's sustainability guidelines. Good investment business by the owners? Or cheating? Depends whose website you're on I suppose.

pompey are cheating NOW by fielding a team they cannot afford pay , dosn't compare to an owner investing in his football club , silly skate !

Pompey are not paying the loan players there parent clubs are so we are only paying some of the squad,so we are not cheating, but you could say you are by using loans to pay you're players wages ha ha PUP,PTID

slugger wrote:

pompey phil wrote:

slugger wrote:

Skating on thin ice wrote:
Hmm, so what do we have here? You needed a major input of funds from your wealthy foreign owners so that you could buy promotion with players who you couldn't afford from your own resources. Wage bill 93% of turnover, way way in excess of UEFA's sustainability guidelines. Good investment business by the owners? Or cheating? Depends whose website you're on I suppose.

pompey are cheating NOW by fielding a team they cannot afford pay , dosn't compare to an owner investing in his football club , silly skate !

Pompey are not paying the loan players there parent clubs are so we are only paying some of the squad,so we are not cheating, but you could say you are by using loans to pay you're players wages ha ha PUP,PTID

EXACTLY ! , you can't afford to pay the team you field , that my friend is "cheating" .... if gaydamak had invested in a pompey academy rather than buying the fa cup , just maybe you wouln't be in the poo that you are now ? .... just a thought .

seventh-junction wrote:
Slugger, are you going to Blackpool?

Jesus_02 wrote:

SaintL-Y wrote:
This just goes to show how fragile the football business model is. The club made a loss of £11.5million on turnover of £16.4 and if it hadn't been for the generosity of the Liebherr family we'd be out of business! Clearly 93% wage cost is unsustainable, and we'd have to hope that anticpiated revenues going forward, and a sensible wage structure will see us right. One note of caution, if the Estate keeps investing, but effectively keeps increasing the value of its shareholding, it won't be too long before we get to a position that should they wish to sell up, the 'value' of those shares may not reflect market value for the business. Having said that, I like what I've seen so far in terms of investment in the infrastructure of the club and I'm sure Cortese and co have a tight handle on the businesses finances! Onwards and upwards! COYR PTJ FOP

Wage costs of 93% are not unsustainable. 101% of turnover is unsustainable. 7% may not seem a lot but its 7% of £16.4m and thats turnover from League 1.

Projected income will be higher and this figure cannot include 12m for chamberlain.

The club is very healthy and 33m would be a steal

slugger wrote:

pompey phil wrote:

slugger wrote:

Skating on thin ice wrote:
Hmm, so what do we have here? You needed a major input of funds from your wealthy foreign owners so that you could buy promotion with players who you couldn't afford from your own resources. Wage bill 93% of turnover, way way in excess of UEFA's sustainability guidelines. Good investment business by the owners? Or cheating? Depends whose website you're on I suppose.

pompey are cheating NOW by fielding a team they cannot afford pay , dosn't compare to an owner investing in his football club , silly skate !

Pompey are not paying the loan players there parent clubs are so we are only paying some of the squad,so we are not cheating, but you could say you are by using loans to pay you're players wages ha ha PUP,PTID

EXACTLY ! , you can't afford to pay the team you field , that my friend is "cheating" .... if gaydamak had invested in a pompey academy rather than buying the fa cup , just maybe you wouln't be in the poo that you are now ? .... just a thought .

pompey phil wrote:

slugger wrote:

pompey phil wrote:

slugger wrote:

Skating on thin ice wrote:
Hmm, so what do we have here? You needed a major input of funds from your wealthy foreign owners so that you could buy promotion with players who you couldn't afford from your own resources. Wage bill 93% of turnover, way way in excess of UEFA's sustainability guidelines. Good investment business by the owners? Or cheating? Depends whose website you're on I suppose.

pompey are cheating NOW by fielding a team they cannot afford pay , dosn't compare to an owner investing in his football club , silly skate !

Pompey are not paying the loan players there parent clubs are so we are only paying some of the squad,so we are not cheating, but you could say you are by using loans to pay you're players wages ha ha PUP,PTID

EXACTLY ! , you can't afford to pay the team you field , that my friend is "cheating" .... if gaydamak had invested in a pompey academy rather than buying the fa cup , just maybe you wouln't be in the poo that you are now ? .... just a thought .

so if we bought the fa cup have man utd, Chelsea,arsenal, Blackburn all bought the premier league title over the last 20 yrs have Barcelona,Real Madrid all bought the la liga titles and all those champions league titles did qpr buy the championship last year see where i'm going with this,are you trying to buy the championship this year,did we buy the championship in 2003 no, see all teams buy better players to try and get better and win trophy's so no we did not buy the fa cup so shut up your making yourself look a fool PUP,PTID

pompey phil wrote:

slugger wrote:

pompey phil wrote:

slugger wrote:

Skating on thin ice wrote:
Hmm, so what do we have here? You needed a major input of funds from your wealthy foreign owners so that you could buy promotion with players who you couldn't afford from your own resources. Wage bill 93% of turnover, way way in excess of UEFA's sustainability guidelines. Good investment business by the owners? Or cheating? Depends whose website you're on I suppose.

pompey are cheating NOW by fielding a team they cannot afford pay , dosn't compare to an owner investing in his football club , silly skate !

Pompey are not paying the loan players there parent clubs are so we are only paying some of the squad,so we are not cheating, but you could say you are by using loans to pay you're players wages ha ha PUP,PTID

EXACTLY ! , you can't afford to pay the team you field , that my friend is "cheating" .... if gaydamak had invested in a pompey academy rather than buying the fa cup , just maybe you wouln't be in the poo that you are now ? .... just a thought .

so if we bought the fa cup have man utd, Chelsea,arsenal, Blackburn all bought the premier league title over the last 20 yrs have Barcelona,Real Madrid all bought the la liga titles and all those champions league titles did qpr buy the championship last year see where i'm going with this,are you trying to buy the championship this year,did we buy the championship in 2003 no, see all teams buy better players to try and get better and win trophy's so no we did not buy the fa cup so shut up your making yourself look a fool PUP,PTID

slugger wrote:

seventh-junction wrote:
Slugger, are you going to Blackpool?

no i'm coming to yours !

oldsaintsfan wrote:
I notice the administrator at PFC decrying the state of championship club finances based on the "benefactor" model. With this in mind a positive feature of the above echo report is the conversion of Liebherr loans to the club into equity. This leaves the club in a much more stable situation as these potentially short term liabilities are removed from the balance sheet (ask PFC how these types of loans later secured against assets can return to haunt a club!). If and when the Liebherrs sell all or part of their ownership - hopefully the stable and consistant approach to managing the clubs finances will continue in the manner of the last three years.

stevebest wrote:
according to goal.com saints is up for sale and close to a deal being done,to 3 hedge funds nice not!!! look at coventry sisu own them..

Crossley Place Saint wrote:

oldsaintsfan wrote:
I notice the administrator at PFC decrying the state of championship club finances based on the "benefactor" model. With this in mind a positive feature of the above echo report is the conversion of Liebherr loans to the club into equity. This leaves the club in a much more stable situation as these potentially short term liabilities are removed from the balance sheet (ask PFC how these types of loans later secured against assets can return to haunt a club!). If and when the Liebherrs sell all or part of their ownership - hopefully the stable and consistant approach to managing the clubs finances will continue in the manner of the last three years.

My initial reaction was very similar, to be delighted that the £33 million debts no longer have to be repaid. Not being a very financially expert person, I showed the story to a friend who is a director of a very successful company (and a Wimbledon supporter!! so no local axe to grind but a seasoned view of big business!). His response was almost immediate. What could be the motive of the Liebherrs in doing this? It is not from love of the club - they could show that much more easily by attending a game, or putting some mention of that on their company website. No, he says that their most plausible purpose in converting the debt to equity is to simplify the financial structure so that they can accelerate their sale of the club onto a shorter timescale than the original schedule of debt repayment. I believe this was 4 years. Logically, the optimum time to sell the club will be as soon as promotion to the Premier League is achieved, when the capital value immediately increases because of the projected cash flow of Sky TV money and parachute payments if (when?) we are relegated back down. Maximum profit to be made at that time, before the reality of life in the Premier League kicks in - huge transfer fees to buy in better players, grossly inflated player wage demands, obscene agent payments, etc. If he is right then we are up for sale on a timescale of August. And the Liebherrs will not concern themselves with finding a buyer who is "right"for the club, their only concern will be to find a buyer willing to pay the maximum amount. But what does he know, he is only the director of a successful company. I am beginning to get worried. COYR!!

Crossley Place Saint wrote:
http://www.goal.com/

en-gb/news/2897/cham

pionship/2012/03/29/

2999081/mystery-cons

ortium-in-talks-to-b

uy-southampton-for-2

5m

%&@$£%!! Big trouble ahead folks. £25 million is absurd of course, the Liebherrs are not going to accept a loss. £75 million and the deal is probably done.

Crossley Place Saint wrote:

oldsaintsfan wrote: I notice the administrator at PFC decrying the state of championship club finances based on the "benefactor" model. With this in mind a positive feature of the above echo report is the conversion of Liebherr loans to the club into equity. This leaves the club in a much more stable situation as these potentially short term liabilities are removed from the balance sheet (ask PFC how these types of loans later secured against assets can return to haunt a club!). If and when the Liebherrs sell all or part of their ownership - hopefully the stable and consistant approach to managing the clubs finances will continue in the manner of the last three years.

My initial reaction was very similar, to be delighted that the £33 million debts no longer have to be repaid. Not being a very financially expert person, I showed the story to a friend who is a director of a very successful company (and a Wimbledon supporter!! so no local axe to grind but a seasoned view of big business!). His response was almost immediate. What could be the motive of the Liebherrs in doing this? It is not from love of the club - they could show that much more easily by attending a game, or putting some mention of that on their company website. No, he says that their most plausible purpose in converting the debt to equity is to simplify the financial structure so that they can accelerate their sale of the club onto a shorter timescale than the original schedule of debt repayment. I believe this was 4 years. Logically, the optimum time to sell the club will be as soon as promotion to the Premier League is achieved, when the capital value immediately increases because of the projected cash flow of Sky TV money and parachute payments if (when?) we are relegated back down. Maximum profit to be made at that time, before the reality of life in the Premier League kicks in - huge transfer fees to buy in better players, grossly inflated player wage demands, obscene agent payments, etc. If he is right then we are up for sale on a timescale of August. And the Liebherrs will not concern themselves with finding a buyer who is "right"for the club, their only concern will be to find a buyer willing to pay the maximum amount. But what does he know, he is only the director of a successful company. I am beginning to get worried. COYR!!

andysaints007 wrote:

Jesus_02 wrote:

SaintL-Y wrote:
This just goes to show how fragile the football business model is. The club made a loss of £11.5million on turnover of £16.4 and if it hadn't been for the generosity of the Liebherr family we'd be out of business! Clearly 93% wage cost is unsustainable, and we'd have to hope that anticpiated revenues going forward, and a sensible wage structure will see us right. One note of caution, if the Estate keeps investing, but effectively keeps increasing the value of its shareholding, it won't be too long before we get to a position that should they wish to sell up, the 'value' of those shares may not reflect market value for the business. Having said that, I like what I've seen so far in terms of investment in the infrastructure of the club and I'm sure Cortese and co have a tight handle on the businesses finances! Onwards and upwards! COYR PTJ FOP

Wage costs of 93% are not unsustainable. 101% of turnover is unsustainable. 7% may not seem a lot but its 7% of £16.4m and thats turnover from League 1.

Projected income will be higher and this figure cannot include 12m for chamberlain.

The club is very healthy and 33m would be a steal

93% wages is not sustainable - there are of course other costs to running a business which would take it over 100% !! In the short term it doesn't matter - but no business can be run like that in the long term !

Crossley Place Saint wrote:
http://www.goal.com/ en-gb/news/2897/cham pionship/2012/03/29/ 2999081/mystery-cons ortium-in-talks-to-b uy-southampton-for-2 5m %&@$£%!! Big trouble ahead folks. £25 million is absurd of course, the Liebherrs are not going to accept a loss. £75 million and the deal is probably done.

oldsaintsfan wrote:

Crossley Place Saint wrote:
http://www.goal.com/ en-gb/news/2897/cham pionship/2012/03/29/ 2999081/mystery-cons ortium-in-talks-to-b uy-southampton-for-2 5m %&@$£%!! Big trouble ahead folks. £25 million is absurd of course, the Liebherrs are not going to accept a loss. £75 million and the deal is probably done.

The fact that the club is for sale I guess is no surprise. I would have some doubts about some of the details in this report. In general I would not be overjoyed to hear the club was owned by a group of hedge funds (and yes I know quite a bit about HF's). I also hope Nicola Cortese has an incentive to stay with the club. Oh well....COYR on to Blackpool!

oldsaintsfan wrote:
Slugger - apologies if i have upset you - no offence intended - hopefully current management and owners will long be involved. Short term the most important issue is that the team get a result at the weekend!

Invidia wrote:
I think Sluggie, you will find that Crossley Place Saint has posted the link. However I do not believe for one minute that it is a fact that Southampton fc is up for sale at that price

slugger wrote:

Invidia wrote:
I think Sluggie, you will find that Crossley Place Saint has posted the link. However I do not believe for one minute that it is a fact that Southampton fc is up for sale at that price

i saw the artilcle , my point was that it isn't a "fact" ......... are you suggesting that sfc is for sale for a different price ?

slugger wrote:

Invidia wrote:
I think Sluggie, you will find that Crossley Place Saint has posted the link. However I do not believe for one minute that it is a fact that Southampton fc is up for sale at that price

i saw the artilcle , my point was that it isn't a "fact" ......... are you suggesting that sfc is for sale for a different price ?

Invidia wrote:

slugger wrote:

Invidia wrote:
I think Sluggie, you will find that Crossley Place Saint has posted the link. However I do not believe for one minute that it is a fact that Southampton fc is up for sale at that price

i saw the artilcle , my point was that it isn't a "fact" ......... are you suggesting that sfc is for sale for a different price ?

Have you not learned yet Sluggie that everyone/everything has a price

ghk230473 wrote:

slugger wrote:

Invidia wrote:
I think Sluggie, you will find that Crossley Place Saint has posted the link. However I do not believe for one minute that it is a fact that Southampton fc is up for sale at that price

i saw the artilcle , my point was that it isn't a "fact" ......... are you suggesting that sfc is for sale for a different price ?

You really are a thick tw4t. oh look, bambi is coming round the corner followed by grumpy and doc!

slugger wrote:

ghk230473 wrote:

slugger wrote:

Invidia wrote:
I think Sluggie, you will find that Crossley Place Saint has posted the link. However I do not believe for one minute that it is a fact that Southampton fc is up for sale at that price

i saw the artilcle , my point was that it isn't a "fact" ......... are you suggesting that sfc is for sale for a different price ?

You really are a thick tw4t. oh look, bambi is coming round the corner followed by grumpy and doc!

oh, hello to you too , did some one touch a nerve ?

Invidia wrote:

slugger wrote:

Invidia wrote:
I think Sluggie, you will find that Crossley Place Saint has posted the link. However I do not believe for one minute that it is a fact that Southampton fc is up for sale at that price

i saw the artilcle , my point was that it isn't a "fact" ......... are you suggesting that sfc is for sale for a different price ?

Have you not learned yet Sluggie that everyone/everything has a price

ghk230473 wrote:

slugger wrote:

ghk230473 wrote:

slugger wrote:

Invidia wrote:
I think Sluggie, you will find that Crossley Place Saint has posted the link. However I do not believe for one minute that it is a fact that Southampton fc is up for sale at that price

i saw the artilcle , my point was that it isn't a "fact" ......... are you suggesting that sfc is for sale for a different price ?

You really are a thick tw4t. oh look, bambi is coming round the corner followed by grumpy and doc!

oh, hello to you too , did some one touch a nerve ?

I'm going to praise you and the flock up now. The club isn't about Markus or the Italian it's about the fans, you lot, us. Chairman may come and go but it's the fans that remain, the fans that makes a club what it is. Through years and generations we have got ourselves into this position, if we had got relegated when at the old dell we would have struggled to come back. We were an excellent investment, I wouldn't sell just yet but it is a good as time as any. Whoever comes in, it is in their interest to keep us hopefully in the premier league. It's also important for any club to keep and attract its supporters. Pompey have sweet fa, their training ground is at wide lane f.f.sake!

Invidia wrote:
I think Sluggie that it is your nerve that has been touched.

I suppose it is about now that you will come out with your old chestnut "I smell fish" you normally do when you are sinking

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Cheers ghk....the flock follow their Club through thick n thin. Wouldn't want to be the black sheep in the family now would we?

ghk230473 wrote:

slugger wrote:

ghk230473 wrote:

slugger wrote:

Invidia wrote:
I think Sluggie, you will find that Crossley Place Saint has posted the link. However I do not believe for one minute that it is a fact that Southampton fc is up for sale at that price

i saw the artilcle , my point was that it isn't a "fact" ......... are you suggesting that sfc is for sale for a different price ?

You really are a thick tw4t. oh look, bambi is coming round the corner followed by grumpy and doc!

oh, hello to you too , did some one touch a nerve ?

I'm going to praise you and the flock up now. The club isn't about Markus or the Italian it's about the fans, you lot, us. Chairman may come and go but it's the fans that remain, the fans that makes a club what it is. Through years and generations we have got ourselves into this position, if we had got relegated when at the old dell we would have struggled to come back. We were an excellent investment, I wouldn't sell just yet but it is a good as time as any. Whoever comes in, it is in their interest to keep us hopefully in the premier league. It's also important for any club to keep and attract its supporters. Pompey have sweet fa, their training ground is at wide lane f.f.sake!

Invidia wrote:
ghk230473 do you still believe the nonesense you posted about NA being sacked or some such, at the end of this season.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If the skates get liquidized we should all adopt a skate out of the goodness of our hearts. (Obviously we'd have to share one between many)

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If the skates get liquidized we should all adopt a skate out of the goodness of our hearts. (Obviously we'd have to share one between many)

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If the skates get liquidized we should all adopt a skate out of the goodness of our hearts. (Obviously we'd have to share one between many)

I already have one....a work colleague...it may seem a little childish, but what with having the day off to travel to Blackpool n all...I sellotaped a diagram of a big skate (raja binoculata) to the back of his jacket...(Billy does Mutley laugh...heeee heee heeee) :O)

ghk230473 wrote:

Invidia wrote:
ghk230473 do you still believe the nonesense you posted about NA being sacked or some such, at the end of this season.

For the record wouldn't want him sacked. Stated during transfer window when there seemed little action, and performances had been poor since end of November that he could be gone by the end of year. There is no future of getting rid of managers at A drop of a hat, that's why I was concerned when pardew sacked without any reason.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If the skates get liquidized we should all adopt a skate out of the goodness of our hearts. (Obviously we'd have to share one between many)

I already have one....a work colleague...it may seem a little childish, but what with having the day off to travel to Blackpool n all...I sellotaped a diagram of a big skate (raja binoculata) to the back of his jacket...(Billy does Mutley laugh...heeee heee heeee) :O)

Can I share yours? I've already proved what I can do to him.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If the skates get liquidized we should all adopt a skate out of the goodness of our hearts. (Obviously we'd have to share one between many)

I already have one....a work colleague...it may seem a little childish, but what with having the day off to travel to Blackpool n all...I sellotaped a diagram of a big skate (raja binoculata) to the back of his jacket...(Billy does Mutley laugh...heeee heee heeee) :O)

Can I share yours? I've already proved what I can do to him.

Baddesley Bill wrote:

ghk230473 wrote:

Invidia wrote:
ghk230473 do you still believe the nonesense you posted about NA being sacked or some such, at the end of this season.

For the record wouldn't want him sacked. Stated during transfer window when there seemed little action, and performances had been poor since end of November that he could be gone by the end of year. There is no future of getting rid of managers at A drop of a hat, that's why I was concerned when pardew sacked without any reason.

Blimey ghk...you've change your tune!!!!

ghk230473 wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

ghk230473 wrote:

Invidia wrote:
ghk230473 do you still believe the nonesense you posted about NA being sacked or some such, at the end of this season.

For the record wouldn't want him sacked. Stated during transfer window when there seemed little action, and performances had been poor since end of November that he could be gone by the end of year. There is no future of getting rid of managers at A drop of a hat, that's why I was concerned when pardew sacked without any reason.

Blimey ghk...you've change your tune!!!!

Not at all, I've questioned him after Bristol city game, and he has a lot to learn and will improve. My main concern is cortese doing a Lowe and having a say over football matters. Let the manager manage, why keep a dog and bark yourself.

ghk230473 wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

ghk230473 wrote:

Invidia wrote:
ghk230473 do you still believe the nonesense you posted about NA being sacked or some such, at the end of this season.

For the record wouldn't want him sacked. Stated during transfer window when there seemed little action, and performances had been poor since end of November that he could be gone by the end of year. There is no future of getting rid of managers at A drop of a hat, that's why I was concerned when pardew sacked without any reason.

Blimey ghk...you've change your tune!!!!

Not at all, I've questioned him after Bristol city game, and he has a lot to learn and will improve. My main concern is cortese doing a Lowe and having a say over football matters. Let the manager manage, why keep a dog and bark yourself.

ghk230473 wrote:

Invidia wrote:
ghk230473 do you still believe the nonesense you posted about NA being sacked or some such, at the end of this season.

For the record wouldn't want him sacked. Stated during transfer window when there seemed little action, and performances had been poor since end of November that he could be gone by the end of year. There is no future of getting rid of managers at A drop of a hat, that's why I was concerned when pardew sacked without any reason.

Baddesley Bill wrote:

ghk230473 wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

ghk230473 wrote:

Invidia wrote:
ghk230473 do you still believe the nonesense you posted about NA being sacked or some such, at the end of this season.

For the record wouldn't want him sacked. Stated during transfer window when there seemed little action, and performances had been poor since end of November that he could be gone by the end of year. There is no future of getting rid of managers at A drop of a hat, that's why I was concerned when pardew sacked without any reason.

Blimey ghk...you've change your tune!!!!

Not at all, I've questioned him after Bristol city game, and he has a lot to learn and will improve. My main concern is cortese doing a Lowe and having a say over football matters. Let the manager manage, why keep a dog and bark yourself.

You "questioned him"?...nawww mate you slated him, called fellow fans "stains" and our chairman a "little itie"...that doesn't wash with me I'm afraid!

Invidia wrote:
Yes your right Sluggie he changes his bark like a sheep dog

Baddesley Bill wrote:

ghk230473 wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

ghk230473 wrote:

Invidia wrote:
ghk230473 do you still believe the nonesense you posted about NA being sacked or some such, at the end of this season.

For the record wouldn't want him sacked. Stated during transfer window when there seemed little action, and performances had been poor since end of November that he could be gone by the end of year. There is no future of getting rid of managers at A drop of a hat, that's why I was concerned when pardew sacked without any reason.

Blimey ghk...you've change your tune!!!!

Not at all, I've questioned him after Bristol city game, and he has a lot to learn and will improve. My main concern is cortese doing a Lowe and having a say over football matters. Let the manager manage, why keep a dog and bark yourself.

You "questioned him"?...nawww mate you slated him, called fellow fans "stains" and our chairman a "little itie"...that doesn't wash with me I'm afraid!

ghk230473 wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

ghk230473 wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

ghk230473 wrote:

Invidia wrote:
ghk230473 do you still believe the nonesense you posted about NA being sacked or some such, at the end of this season.

For the record wouldn't want him sacked. Stated during transfer window when there seemed little action, and performances had been poor since end of November that he could be gone by the end of year. There is no future of getting rid of managers at A drop of a hat, that's why I was concerned when pardew sacked without any reason.

Blimey ghk...you've change your tune!!!!

Not at all, I've questioned him after Bristol city game, and he has a lot to learn and will improve. My main concern is cortese doing a Lowe and having a say over football matters. Let the manager manage, why keep a dog and bark yourself.

You "questioned him"?...nawww mate you slated him, called fellow fans "stains" and our chairman a "little itie"...that doesn't wash with me I'm afraid!

Don't care what washes with you to be honest. I called 1 fan a stain, and the chairman is Italian. I'm White, a honky or limey. I could or would never see cortese as a god figure as you and bro do, I live in the real world. Yes they have come in and done a good job and getting well paid and are profiting, but they have been here 2 mins compared to past members and players of the club. The club was always going to be a good investment .

ghk230473 wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

ghk230473 wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

ghk230473 wrote:

Invidia wrote:
ghk230473 do you still believe the nonesense you posted about NA being sacked or some such, at the end of this season.

For the record wouldn't want him sacked. Stated during transfer window when there seemed little action, and performances had been poor since end of November that he could be gone by the end of year. There is no future of getting rid of managers at A drop of a hat, that's why I was concerned when pardew sacked without any reason.

Blimey ghk...you've change your tune!!!!

Not at all, I've questioned him after Bristol city game, and he has a lot to learn and will improve. My main concern is cortese doing a Lowe and having a say over football matters. Let the manager manage, why keep a dog and bark yourself.

You "questioned him"?...nawww mate you slated him, called fellow fans "stains" and our chairman a "little itie"...that doesn't wash with me I'm afraid!

Don't care what washes with you to be honest. I called 1 fan a stain, and the chairman is Italian. I'm White, a honky or limey. I could or would never see cortese as a god figure as you and bro do, I live in the real world. Yes they have come in and done a good job and getting well paid and are profiting, but they have been here 2 mins compared to past members and players of the club. The club was always going to be a good investment .

Baddesley Bill wrote:

ghk230473 wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

ghk230473 wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

ghk230473 wrote:

Invidia wrote:
ghk230473 do you still believe the nonesense you posted about NA being sacked or some such, at the end of this season.

For the record wouldn't want him sacked. Stated during transfer window when there seemed little action, and performances had been poor since end of November that he could be gone by the end of year. There is no future of getting rid of managers at A drop of a hat, that's why I was concerned when pardew sacked without any reason.

Blimey ghk...you've change your tune!!!!

Not at all, I've questioned him after Bristol city game, and he has a lot to learn and will improve. My main concern is cortese doing a Lowe and having a say over football matters. Let the manager manage, why keep a dog and bark yourself.

You "questioned him"?...nawww mate you slated him, called fellow fans "stains" and our chairman a "little itie"...that doesn't wash with me I'm afraid!

Don't care what washes with you to be honest. I called 1 fan a stain, and the chairman is Italian. I'm White, a honky or limey. I could or would never see cortese as a god figure as you and bro do, I live in the real world. Yes they have come in and done a good job and getting well paid and are profiting, but they have been here 2 mins compared to past members and players of the club. The club was always going to be a good investment .

I've never known a Saints fan EVER to call another a "stain"...I think that was what gave you away tbh.

ghk230473 wrote:
Lmfoa, don't know if your sheep or fish by the way ya get reeled in! nite all til next time;)

slugger wrote:

ghk230473 wrote:
Lmfoa, don't know if your sheep or fish by the way ya get reeled in! nite all til next time;)

the truth is mush , we wern't "reeled in" at all , was amusing watching you try to wriggle out of it for a while and then it just became boring ....... spot you next time too !

ghk230473 wrote:

slugger wrote:

ghk230473 wrote:
Lmfoa, don't know if your sheep or fish by the way ya get reeled in! nite all til next time;)

the truth is mush , we wern't "reeled in" at all , was amusing watching you try to wriggle out of it for a while and then it just became boring ....... spot you next time too !

Can't educate pork, like I said thick tw4t

ghk230473 wrote:
Lmfoa, don't know if your sheep or fish by the way ya get reeled in! nite all til next time;)

rob the saint in NZ wrote:
The later the hour, the more in drink he becomes, then the more abusive & unintelligible are his posts.

No one of a Saintly persuasion ever calls another Saint a "stain".

His past sins are coming back to haunt him - hoist by his own petard.

puppy saint wrote:
I see the lone wolf of Junior 6 football at Riverside Park is on the prowl. No ego or self esteem issues with Wolfie. I better rejoin the flock before he notices me. Baaa.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

puppy saint wrote:
I see the lone wolf of Junior 6 football at Riverside Park is on the prowl. No ego or self esteem issues with Wolfie. I better rejoin the flock before he notices me. Baaa.

One of the Blackpool contingent has dropped out. Fancy coming? Were off about 11.

ghk230473 wrote:
The club wasn't built in 3 years, there's been generations of care and foundations set. There's a statue outside of a certain ted bates who spent his career here, that statue didn't go up after he'd been here 5 mins of him 1st entering the building! Some of you are desperate for a hero, YES I'm pleased Markus came along and the job so far is a good un, but IMO with our stadium, training facilities and potential we would have been bought by some one and they too would have made a tidy profit too. May of been different either way, could have been worse could have been better!

puppy saint wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

puppy saint wrote:
I see the lone wolf of Junior 6 football at Riverside Park is on the prowl. No ego or self esteem issues with Wolfie. I better rejoin the flock before he notices me. Baaa.

One of the Blackpool contingent has dropped out. Fancy coming? Were off about 11.

Gentlemen's retreat this weekend. 7 of us staying in a pub. What could possibly go wrong? And don't give it the part timer **** too. I'll take the away ticket stub challenge with you any day.

ghk is an avid, hardcore Saints fan. If he's not featuring in the Travis Perkins Junior Shield semi final at Green Park then he might take up your offer?

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

puppy saint wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

puppy saint wrote:
I see the lone wolf of Junior 6 football at Riverside Park is on the prowl. No ego or self esteem issues with Wolfie. I better rejoin the flock before he notices me. Baaa.

One of the Blackpool contingent has dropped out. Fancy coming? Were off about 11.

Gentlemen's retreat this weekend. 7 of us staying in a pub. What could possibly go wrong? And don't give it the part timer **** too. I'll take the away ticket stub challenge with you any day.

ghk is an avid, hardcore Saints fan. If he's not featuring in the Travis Perkins Junior Shield semi final at Green Park then he might take up your offer?

That's very defensive of you Puppy, don't feel you have to justify yourself. Your support is just as welcome as more er shall we say full time supporters :)

Got tickets to Palace for me and Bill. How we getting there?

puppy saint wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

puppy saint wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

puppy saint wrote:
I see the lone wolf of Junior 6 football at Riverside Park is on the prowl. No ego or self esteem issues with Wolfie. I better rejoin the flock before he notices me. Baaa.

One of the Blackpool contingent has dropped out. Fancy coming? Were off about 11.

Gentlemen's retreat this weekend. 7 of us staying in a pub. What could possibly go wrong? And don't give it the part timer **** too. I'll take the away ticket stub challenge with you any day.

ghk is an avid, hardcore Saints fan. If he's not featuring in the Travis Perkins Junior Shield semi final at Green Park then he might take up your offer?

That's very defensive of you Puppy, don't feel you have to justify yourself. Your support is just as welcome as more er shall we say full time supporters :)

Got tickets to Palace for me and Bill. How we getting there?

Will be in London, obviously at Kwik Fit. And f**k off on the full timer bollicks. JCL, glory hunter more like. That's you, that is.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

ghk230473 wrote:
The club wasn't built in 3 years, there's been generations of care and foundations set. There's a statue outside of a certain ted bates who spent his career here, that statue didn't go up after he'd been here 5 mins of him 1st entering the building! Some of you are desperate for a hero, YES I'm pleased Markus came along and the job so far is a good un, but IMO with our stadium, training facilities and potential we would have been bought by some one and they too would have made a tidy profit too. May of been different either way, could have been worse could have been better!

No ones made a tidy profit, not a penny piece - that will only occur if they sell and if they sell for more than their total investment.

No one else did come in other than matey in his council house. The club was within hours of liquidation, it had been hawked around and no one else came in. Crouch, who ran up the debts in the first place with Wilde not Lowe, personally financed it to buy a little time.

It was you pushing to spend vast amounts more. That would have been unsustainable and wages would have exceeded income so you have no financial acumen either.

You're either a skate or blind.

willygetaway wrote:

slugger wrote:

pompey phil wrote:

slugger wrote:

Skating on thin ice wrote:
Hmm, so what do we have here? You needed a major input of funds from your wealthy foreign owners so that you could buy promotion with players who you couldn't afford from your own resources. Wage bill 93% of turnover, way way in excess of UEFA's sustainability guidelines. Good investment business by the owners? Or cheating? Depends whose website you're on I suppose.

pompey are cheating NOW by fielding a team they cannot afford pay , dosn't compare to an owner investing in his football club , silly skate !

Pompey are not paying the loan players there parent clubs are so we are only paying some of the squad,so we are not cheating, but you could say you are by using loans to pay you're players wages ha ha PUP,PTID

EXACTLY ! , you can't afford to pay the team you field , that my friend is "cheating" .... if gaydamak had invested in a pompey academy rather than buying the fa cup , just maybe you wouln't be in the poo that you are now ? .... just a thought .

Why oh why are we listening to voices from beyond the grave ?
just go to the light you sad fish fiddlers
WHO,S LAUGHING NOW

Over the Edge wrote:

Mush On The Beach wrote:

george chivers wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

gooner1711 wrote:

Billy_The_Fish wrote: So lets have a look at wot the liebehrrs have to show for there money. A 32,000 seater stadium, a fantastic academy, a large loyal fan base, a team top of the champ & challenging for the PL & all for 33M. Now wot do the skates have to show for their 180m debt.......er oh yeah nothing. The futures bright its Red & White :)

I think you'll find you have Woopert to thank for the stadium.....

Woopert to thank for the stadium? You are taking the p!ss of course? Any fool can get a bank loan and employ contractors to build something. It takes hard work to pay for it, something Woopert never did. The only thing to thank that man for is the fact that he fcuked off once and for all.

Yep! Spot on!!

Not strictly true. Poopey couldn’t raise the funds when in the Prem from their bank manager at HSBC to rebuild their toilet of a ground .... That’s why I’ll still bank with them

I said any fool, not total fcuking idiots. Even HSBC know a bad thing when they see it

gooner1711 wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

Mush On The Beach wrote:

george chivers wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

gooner1711 wrote:

Billy_The_Fish wrote: So lets have a look at wot the liebehrrs have to show for there money. A 32,000 seater stadium, a fantastic academy, a large loyal fan base, a team top of the champ & challenging for the PL & all for 33M. Now wot do the skates have to show for their 180m debt.......er oh yeah nothing. The futures bright its Red & White :)

I think you'll find you have Woopert to thank for the stadium.....

Woopert to thank for the stadium? You are taking the p!ss of course? Any fool can get a bank loan and employ contractors to build something. It takes hard work to pay for it, something Woopert never did. The only thing to thank that man for is the fact that he fcuked off once and for all.

Yep! Spot on!!

Not strictly true. Poopey couldn’t raise the funds when in the Prem from their bank manager at HSBC to rebuild their toilet of a ground .... That’s why I’ll still bank with them

I said any fool, not total fcuking idiots. Even HSBC know a bad thing when they see it

If you look closely then I said you have Woopert to thank for the stadium being built. If you were still there when they took over you may still be there or in the process of building. It takes years to get into the new ground. Yes they inherited it with the debt associated. That was my point only. He was also a clown too, so we agree there.
No thanks to the moron for the kerb crawling aspect. I could mention the Dave Jones court case when he was your manager but why would I when he, like Wenger had no case to prove. Utter class in that response.
Anyway, hurry up and get promoted along with Reading and Brighton so I have a local away match to go to next season. Hopefully replace Wigan, Wolves and another toilet Northern ground.
Good luck and hope your season tickets don't rise too much.

Mush On The Beach wrote:

gooner1711 wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

Mush On The Beach wrote:

george chivers wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

gooner1711 wrote:

Billy_The_Fish wrote: So lets have a look at wot the liebehrrs have to show for there money. A 32,000 seater stadium, a fantastic academy, a large loyal fan base, a team top of the champ & challenging for the PL & all for 33M. Now wot do the skates have to show for their 180m debt.......er oh yeah nothing. The futures bright its Red & White :)

I think you'll find you have Woopert to thank for the stadium.....

Woopert to thank for the stadium? You are taking the p!ss of course? Any fool can get a bank loan and employ contractors to build something. It takes hard work to pay for it, something Woopert never did. The only thing to thank that man for is the fact that he fcuked off once and for all.

Yep! Spot on!!

Not strictly true. Poopey couldn’t raise the funds when in the Prem from their bank manager at HSBC to rebuild their toilet of a ground .... That’s why I’ll still bank with them

I said any fool, not total fcuking idiots. Even HSBC know a bad thing when they see it

If you look closely then I said you have Woopert to thank for the stadium being built. If you were still there when they took over you may still be there or in the process of building. It takes years to get into the new ground. Yes they inherited it with the debt associated. That was my point only. He was also a clown too, so we agree there. No thanks to the moron for the kerb crawling aspect. I could mention the Dave Jones court case when he was your manager but why would I when he, like Wenger had no case to prove. Utter class in that response. Anyway, hurry up and get promoted along with Reading and Brighton so I have a local away match to go to next season. Hopefully replace Wigan, Wolves and another toilet Northern ground. Good luck and hope your season tickets don't rise too much.

Oh dear Gooner, hit a nerve have I? I was actually referring to how you prey and steal the best of our youth academy in footballing terms. If you have doubts in other ways about Arsene, so be it. I’ll be your Moron if it pleases you, you can be my Mormon ... Door knocking and preaching to the unconverted and uninterested. Shut your eyes ... Here comes a Mush Flash

gooner1711 wrote:

Mush On The Beach wrote:

gooner1711 wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

Mush On The Beach wrote:

george chivers wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

gooner1711 wrote:

Billy_The_Fish wrote: So lets have a look at wot the liebehrrs have to show for there money. A 32,000 seater stadium, a fantastic academy, a large loyal fan base, a team top of the champ & challenging for the PL & all for 33M. Now wot do the skates have to show for their 180m debt.......er oh yeah nothing. The futures bright its Red & White :)

I think you'll find you have Woopert to thank for the stadium.....

Woopert to thank for the stadium? You are taking the p!ss of course? Any fool can get a bank loan and employ contractors to build something. It takes hard work to pay for it, something Woopert never did. The only thing to thank that man for is the fact that he fcuked off once and for all.

Yep! Spot on!!

Not strictly true. Poopey couldn’t raise the funds when in the Prem from their bank manager at HSBC to rebuild their toilet of a ground .... That’s why I’ll still bank with them

I said any fool, not total fcuking idiots. Even HSBC know a bad thing when they see it

If you look closely then I said you have Woopert to thank for the stadium being built. If you were still there when they took over you may still be there or in the process of building. It takes years to get into the new ground. Yes they inherited it with the debt associated. That was my point only. He was also a clown too, so we agree there. No thanks to the moron for the kerb crawling aspect. I could mention the Dave Jones court case when he was your manager but why would I when he, like Wenger had no case to prove. Utter class in that response. Anyway, hurry up and get promoted along with Reading and Brighton so I have a local away match to go to next season. Hopefully replace Wigan, Wolves and another toilet Northern ground. Good luck and hope your season tickets don't rise too much.

Oh dear Gooner, hit a nerve have I? I was actually referring to how you prey and steal the best of our youth academy in footballing terms. If you have doubts in other ways about Arsene, so be it. I’ll be your Moron if it pleases you, you can be my Mormon ... Door knocking and preaching to the unconverted and uninterested. Shut your eyes ... Here comes a Mush Flash

No nerves hit, just would rather concentrate on football than mud slinging, petty digs, etc. but go ahead. Water off a ducks back. Well if you hadn't been in such dire straits then maybe you wouldn't have needed to sell. Like any club that buys and sells players we let our best assets go to. Needless to say it'll be a long summer with RvP drawn out. Will he stay or will he go? Who knows. There'll still be a club to support at the end of it. What we all need to know is there is a food chain.....you're nearer the bottom than us.

Mush On The Beach wrote:
Can’t work out why you are actually on here in the first place, what has the story got to do with you? But I guess all are welcome, even condescending knobs like yourself. Clubs do not have to sell? ... Fabregas, Nasri, hmmm? They didn’t have a price, they just wanted to get the feck out of it. Those are the facts

gooner1711 wrote:

Mush On The Beach wrote:
Can’t work out why you are actually on here in the first place, what has the story got to do with you? But I guess all are welcome, even condescending knobs like yourself. Clubs do not have to sell? ... Fabregas, Nasri, hmmm? They didn’t have a price, they just wanted to get the feck out of it. Those are the facts

Well maybe AOC wanted the feck out too? Maybe he saw a better future elsewhere? Maybe Theo too? We all look onwards and upwards so don't take it so personally. At the end of the day it's about your club surviving and that's about it. Players and managers come and go. Supporters stay regardless.

I see you've now taken to insults. Well this is my local paper to, interested in the local teams including Pompey, Bournemouth, etc. so why shouldn't I read it and comment where and when I like? Is there a rule that only Saints fans are allowed to comment? Before you go on about supporting your local team stuff that is bound to come out....my Dad was from Hackney, my mum from Aberdeen. We spent many weekends in London and my uncle took me to all the grounds in London as my Dad was not into football. Arsenal became my team in 1981 and I have had a season ticket for past 14 seasons. End.

Mush On The Beach wrote:

gooner1711 wrote:

Mush On The Beach wrote: Can’t work out why you are actually on here in the first place, what has the story got to do with you? But I guess all are welcome, even condescending knobs like yourself. Clubs do not have to sell? ... Fabregas, Nasri, hmmm? They didn’t have a price, they just wanted to get the feck out of it. Those are the facts

Well maybe AOC wanted the feck out too? Maybe he saw a better future elsewhere? Maybe Theo too? We all look onwards and upwards so don't take it so personally. At the end of the day it's about your club surviving and that's about it. Players and managers come and go. Supporters stay regardless. I see you've now taken to insults. Well this is my local paper to, interested in the local teams including Pompey, Bournemouth, etc. so why shouldn't I read it and comment where and when I like? Is there a rule that only Saints fans are allowed to comment? Before you go on about supporting your local team stuff that is bound to come out....my Dad was from Hackney, my mum from Aberdeen. We spent many weekends in London and my uncle took me to all the grounds in London as my Dad was not into football. Arsenal became my team in 1981 and I have had a season ticket for past 14 seasons. End.

Blimey Gooner, this is a football forum, not a session on the black couch with your shrink. I don’t give a feck about your family disjoints. But since we’ve bonded in some tribal argumentative way, I’ll share this with you: Southampton originates from St Marys Southampton and that is who we are. Arsenal originate from Woolwich South London, but you pikied off to North London, How firm are your historical roots preacher man? 

gooner1711 wrote:

Mush On The Beach wrote:

gooner1711 wrote:

Mush On The Beach wrote: Can’t work out why you are actually on here in the first place, what has the story got to do with you? But I guess all are welcome, even condescending knobs like yourself. Clubs do not have to sell? ... Fabregas, Nasri, hmmm? They didn’t have a price, they just wanted to get the feck out of it. Those are the facts

Well maybe AOC wanted the feck out too? Maybe he saw a better future elsewhere? Maybe Theo too? We all look onwards and upwards so don't take it so personally. At the end of the day it's about your club surviving and that's about it. Players and managers come and go. Supporters stay regardless. I see you've now taken to insults. Well this is my local paper to, interested in the local teams including Pompey, Bournemouth, etc. so why shouldn't I read it and comment where and when I like? Is there a rule that only Saints fans are allowed to comment? Before you go on about supporting your local team stuff that is bound to come out....my Dad was from Hackney, my mum from Aberdeen. We spent many weekends in London and my uncle took me to all the grounds in London as my Dad was not into football. Arsenal became my team in 1981 and I have had a season ticket for past 14 seasons. End.

Blimey Gooner, this is a football forum, not a session on the black couch with your shrink. I don’t give a feck about your family disjoints. But since we’ve bonded in some tribal argumentative way, I’ll share this with you: Southampton originates from St Marys Southampton and that is who we are. Arsenal originate from Woolwich South London, but you pikied off to North London, How firm are your historical roots preacher man? 

Even 2 Saints STH have come round and apologised to me for this neanderthol approach from you.
Strangely I was not around when this all happened from Woolwich Arsenal so could have little impact upon it.
Who said I was preaching? Just gave an original comment but since then been pretty much given nothing but crud from a dead head. Thanks for insulting my father who passed away 12 years ago.
I actually wished Saints good luck earlier but all I got was that I'm a condasecnding knob, although I appreciate that we're below Barcelona in the pecking order. No doubt I'll see you on the TV tomorrow night at Blackpool? What a pillock and embarrassment you are.