Lallana: It was "crazy" not to send off Hines (From Daily Echo)

redduke wrote:
Possibly the worst refereeing decision of the season, a straight red without a doubt, this stinks - it really stinks. Am I paranoid or is there a conspiracy to get the East End pub team up at our expense?
Having said that, we really didn't make many chances over the 90 mins. Let's just hope Leicester can hold the hoofers on Monday night, although if we can't bury Coventry............

!

Velleity wrote:
The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine.

It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.

pompey in spain wrote:
redduke...i cant see you beating coventry and with whu getting this big new stadium and passionate fans the prem league will want them not you!and with respect adkins will be going to a big club like wigan or swansea when you lose the play offs!

Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.

pompey in spain wrote:
redduke...i cant see you beating coventry and with whu getting this big new stadium and passionate fans the prem league will want them not you!and with respect adkins will be going to a big club like wigan or swansea when you lose the play offs!

redduke wrote:

Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.

So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins

redduke wrote:

Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.

So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins

pompey in spain wrote:
redduke...i cant see you beating coventry and with whu getting this big new stadium and passionate fans the prem league will want them not you!and with respect adkins will be going to a big club like wigan or swansea when you lose the play offs!

redduke wrote:

Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.

So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins

Velleity wrote:

redduke wrote:

Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.

So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins

Yeah, sack Adkins; he clearly knows NOTHING!

randre wrote:

redduke wrote:

Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.

So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins

Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.

redduke wrote:

Velleity wrote:

redduke wrote:

Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.

So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins

Yeah, sack Adkins; he clearly knows NOTHING!

well ok i'm reacting badly to an oh so predictable result, aided by a lousy refereeing decision, but it seemed clear to me that RL needed to pull his 3 (!) defenders wide to allow the others to make use of the space, but it didn't happen often enough. I wouldn't say that NA knows nothing, he just doesn't know ENOUGH!!

Des/Isle of Wight/SFC wrote:

randre wrote:

redduke wrote:

Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.

So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins

Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.

Reduke......i've been told you may have a ticket for sale for next week, is this true and if so how much do you want for it?

randre wrote:

redduke wrote:

Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.

So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins

Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.

worried of n e hampshire wrote:
we wrer poor, the sending off or not does not excuse the fact that we were not good tonight.
next week should be a blast tho!

Des/Isle of Wight/SFC wrote:
HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please?

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

randre wrote:

redduke wrote:

Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.

So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins

Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.

Randre, I think we should just give up. Like you, I'm sick of people picking on Guly or saying that NA isn't up to it. Especially, given that they (or we) have no idea what's going on away from the matches themselves. For example, we don't know why NA had Bart back on the bench today but he will have had his reasons.

As you say, we would have settled for this last August and no one could have guessed how Reading (even with the little bit of luck they've enjoyed) would have stormed their way into the top two.

Not too high when we win, not too low when we lose.

ghk230473 wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

randre wrote:

redduke wrote:

Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.

So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins

Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.

Randre, I think we should just give up. Like you, I'm sick of people picking on Guly or saying that NA isn't up to it. Especially, given that they (or we) have no idea what's going on away from the matches themselves. For example, we don't know why NA had Bart back on the bench today but he will have had his reasons.

As you say, we would have settled for this last August and no one could have guessed how Reading (even with the little bit of luck they've enjoyed) would have stormed their way into the top two.

Not too high when we win, not too low when we lose.

Sorry but I have had enough of " we would have taken this at start of season" b0ll0cks. We have been in top 2 all season without playing very well. West ham bottled it and to be Frank we have made reading look better than what they are, too many games have been thrown away.
Premier league every thing apart from league position, let's not take 2nd best. IF we are promoted let's not forget these games and improve the squad accordingly.

hedge end bob wrote:

Des/Isle of Wight/SFC wrote:
HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please?

Where did you hear this?, i have looked on the Saints site and there is not a sign of any tickets. I am a season ticket holderand just logged in and as i said nothing fore sale.

ghk230473 wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

randre wrote:

redduke wrote:

Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.

So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins

Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.

Randre, I think we should just give up. Like you, I'm sick of people picking on Guly or saying that NA isn't up to it. Especially, given that they (or we) have no idea what's going on away from the matches themselves. For example, we don't know why NA had Bart back on the bench today but he will have had his reasons.

As you say, we would have settled for this last August and no one could have guessed how Reading (even with the little bit of luck they've enjoyed) would have stormed their way into the top two.

Not too high when we win, not too low when we lose.

Sorry but I have had enough of " we would have taken this at start of season" b0ll0cks. We have been in top 2 all season without playing very well. West ham bottled it and to be Frank we have made reading look better than what they are, too many games have been thrown away.
Premier league every thing apart from league position, let's not take 2nd best. IF we are promoted let's not forget these games and improve the squad accordingly.

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Champagne on ice for 7 days maximum...that is all.

hedge end bob wrote:

Des/Isle of Wight/SFC wrote:
HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please?

Where did you hear this?, i have looked on the Saints site and there is not a sign of any tickets. I am a season ticket holderand just logged in and as i said nothing fore sale.

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Champagne on ice for 7 days maximum...that is all.

How was Seedhouse's chopper? :)

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Champagne on ice for 7 days maximum...that is all.

How was Seedhouse's chopper? :)

I got the bus...I always prefer to be onboard the bus whenever I get the opportunity! :O)

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Champagne on ice for 7 days maximum...that is all.

How was Seedhouse's chopper? :)

I got the bus...I always prefer to be onboard the bus whenever I get the opportunity! :O)

.... and what a ride this bus is giving us!

It's better than the old No.5, which used to peddle from one side of town to the other.

Velleity wrote:

redduke wrote:
Possibly the worst refereeing decision of the season, a straight red without a doubt, this stinks - it really stinks. Am I paranoid or is there a conspiracy to get the East End pub team up at our expense?
Having said that, we really didn't make many chances over the 90 mins. Let's just hope Leicester can hold the hoofers on Monday night, although if we can't bury Coventry............


!

Yes, you're paranoid. Grow up.

ghk230473 wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

randre wrote:

redduke wrote:

Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.

So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins

Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.

Randre, I think we should just give up. Like you, I'm sick of people picking on Guly or saying that NA isn't up to it. Especially, given that they (or we) have no idea what's going on away from the matches themselves. For example, we don't know why NA had Bart back on the bench today but he will have had his reasons.

As you say, we would have settled for this last August and no one could have guessed how Reading (even with the little bit of luck they've enjoyed) would have stormed their way into the top two.

Not too high when we win, not too low when we lose.

Sorry but I have had enough of " we would have taken this at start of season" b0ll0cks. We have been in top 2 all season without playing very well. West ham bottled it and to be Frank we have made reading look better than what they are, too many games have been thrown away.
Premier league every thing apart from league position, let's not take 2nd best. IF we are promoted let's not forget these games and improve the squad accordingly.

mayfly wrote:
There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman?
I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses.
What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on.
I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what?
Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up.
The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.

webby Op wrote:
well that was a waste of 90 mins of my life 3yrs and 1 week not able to c the boys win on the google box still think they will go up but this team will get s tuffed in prem need some players by the way what does guly do

Velleity wrote:
The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine.

It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.

WinchesterBond wrote:
One word sums up the referree's decision.."unfa
thoma
ble". Definitely a "goal-scoring opportunity" as AL is primed to shoot and the "covering" defender is in no position to block. Even if the referee considered it not a "goal scoring opportunity" when a player is through on goal, 19 yards out ball at feet then surely a trip from behind in that position is reckless so it is a 2nd yellow so a Red Card i.e. Sending Off. Quite simply another referee who has failed miserably to make the correct decision and affected the match result through his incompetence. Interestingly a few minutes later he books Jose for tugging back the Boro forward, also in a promising (albeit less than Adam's) position. Would love to know how he explains both decisions to the assessor. In my opinion both should have had the same result not different. Once we have got Goaline technology up and running the next step is the 4th official have a TV monitor and feeding valuable information to the referee. It is time to take out the guesswork.

saintpope wrote:
felt the Saints players harassing the ref after the foul did not help. They peed Mr Bates off and I think asking for the sending off made him not give anything. We had chances today but just did not have the finishing touch. Shots on target were like chocolate fire guards. Guly came on today and did some good link up play, better attitude from him. Boro kept AL and RL out of the game today and losing Chaplow was tough as he was making some great surging runs into RH of their box. We need Martin next to Hoov as Fonte has lost pace and has to hang on to strikers to keep them close. He needs long hair back to make him more streamlined as he has box head now!! COYR

Des/Isle of Wight/SFC wrote:
HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please? My email address is desknight08@aol.com and i will be eternally grateful if someone can help me. COYS

randre wrote:

mayfly wrote: There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman? I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses. What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on. I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what? Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up. The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.

To be fair I thought saints played well in the two games you mentioned and of course the game away to peterborough, we played well and got the result. I don't think we have played poorly. Don't worry about the premiership as we are not there yet! Anyway, as many other teams supporters, including a reading fan, has said our passing football is better suited for the premier league. I agree, many teams are playing defensive against us now. Keep the faith.. Coyr

PTID1898 wrote:
For sale one open top bus, hardley used for info call 02380 4-1 1-4 2-2 ,
Who the f@ck is laughing now!!!!PUP

Saintsayer II wrote:

Des/Isle of Wight/SFC wrote:
HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please? My email address is desknight08@aol.com and i will be eternally grateful if someone can help me. COYS

Des give me a phone number and i will ring you and try to help

Saintsayer II wrote:

Des/Isle of Wight/SFC wrote:
HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please? My email address is desknight08@aol.com and i will be eternally grateful if someone can help me. COYS

Des give me a phone number and i will ring you and try to help

webby Op wrote:
well that was a waste of 90 mins of my life 3yrs and 1 week not able to c the boys win on the google box still think they will go up but this team will get s tuffed in prem need some players by the way what does guly do

City Saint wrote:

Velleity wrote:

redduke wrote:
Possibly the worst refereeing decision of the season, a straight red without a doubt, this stinks - it really stinks. Am I paranoid or is there a conspiracy to get the East End pub team up at our expense?
Having said that, we really didn't make many chances over the 90 mins. Let's just hope Leicester can hold the hoofers on Monday night, although if we can't bury Coventry............



!

Yes, you're paranoid. Grow up.

Hmmmmm. I sense an amateur ref in our midst. Or are you Mr Bates in disguise? It was a rubbish call. And by the way I've seen many more poor calls go againt us this year than for us.

rob the saint in NZ wrote:
We're rubbish, sack Adkins, sell half the team, blah, blah, blah.

On the verge of two promotions in consecutive seasons - it's just not good enough.

Scored more goals than anyone else, best goal difference, in the top two all season, feted by the national media for our attractive play & well run club - it's just not good enough.

Poopee relegated, promotion party next Saturday - it's just not good enough.

I know better than Adkins, conspiracy theory, blah, blah, blah.

Terrible season, rubbish team, manager, coaches, chairman, blah, blah, blah.

I want more, I know best, why haven't we won the F.A. Cup, League Cup, Champions League?

Come on Saints, sort it out......

Golden_Salamander wrote:
Saints were cheated yesterday.
.
The referee was there to make sure that Sky TV had a game to show next Saturday. They can now either show a Play-off game (cardiff or boro) or they can show a promotion game.
.
If he had sent off the boro player for 2 yellows then all the relegation/playoff/p

romotion decisions were over.
.
Also in the game there were 3 free kicks just outside the area, two for Saints and one for boro. For the Saints ones the wall was only about 7 or 8 yards away. The only free kick he made sure the wall was back the full distance was the boro one. Ask yourself why ?

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I'm very happy with where we're at. It was nearly over three years ago yet in the first post apocalypse season we won the jpt in the second we got promoted from league 1 and this season we will get promoted to the Prem. It's truly spectacular.

We haven't spent big, no players over 2m and only Lambert, Fonte, Fox and Hooivelt over 1m. Many superb bargains like Chaplow and Cork and freebies like Tad Lee. We are not paying the transfer fees or wages of some of our competition like Leicester and West Ham.

Many teams have been competing at various stages of the season for auto yet only one team has held onto top two all season long. No one saw the Reading run coming and fair play to them, outstanding run.

Step back, take a breath and rejoice at where we are now and look to the future with joy and excitement.

Then look to the East and laugh and laugh and laugh until the tears run down your cheeks. That's what happens if you try and rush things, if you try and buy success - if you cheat. Football needs the skunts to be liquidized after constantly cheating by buying players they couldn't afford and paying wages they couldn't afford to give them an advantage over proper honest football clubs. Before you say it's not the fans fault yes it is, they demanded it, they called for more success for better players who cost more in terms of transfer fees and wages, fees and wages they simply couldn't afford. Don't fall into the same trap.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Velleity wrote:
The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine.

It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.

Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.

Confucious wrote:
This Saturday, the rain - next Saturday, the rainbow.

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I'm very happy with where we're at. It was nearly over three years ago yet in the first post apocalypse season we won the jpt in the second we got promoted from league 1 and this season we will get promoted to the Prem. It's truly spectacular.

We haven't spent big, no players over 2m and only Lambert, Fonte, Fox and Hooivelt over 1m. Many superb bargains like Chaplow and Cork and freebies like Tad Lee. We are not paying the transfer fees or wages of some of our competition like Leicester and West Ham.

Many teams have been competing at various stages of the season for auto yet only one team has held onto top two all season long. No one saw the Reading run coming and fair play to them, outstanding run.

Step back, take a breath and rejoice at where we are now and look to the future with joy and excitement.

Then look to the East and laugh and laugh and laugh until the tears run down your cheeks. That's what happens if you try and rush things, if you try and buy success - if you cheat. Football needs the skunts to be liquidized after constantly cheating by buying players they couldn't afford and paying wages they couldn't afford to give them an advantage over proper honest football clubs. Before you say it's not the fans fault yes it is, they demanded it, they called for more success for better players who cost more in terms of transfer fees and wages, fees and wages they simply couldn't afford. Don't fall into the same trap.

Exactly, Seedhouse. But try telling the kids of today that and they WON'T believe you.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

saintpope wrote:
felt the Saints players harassing the ref after the foul did not help. They peed Mr Bates off and I think asking for the sending off made him not give anything. We had chances today but just did not have the finishing touch. Shots on target were like chocolate fire guards. Guly came on today and did some good link up play, better attitude from him. Boro kept AL and RL out of the game today and losing Chaplow was tough as he was making some great surging runs into RH of their box. We need Martin next to Hoov as Fonte has lost pace and has to hang on to strikers to keep them close. He needs long hair back to make him more streamlined as he has box head now!! COYR

Superb analysis although I think Martin might be a gamble against Coventry.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I'm very happy with where we're at. It was nearly over three years ago yet in the first post apocalypse season we won the jpt in the second we got promoted from league 1 and this season we will get promoted to the Prem. It's truly spectacular.

We haven't spent big, no players over 2m and only Lambert, Fonte, Fox and Hooivelt over 1m. Many superb bargains like Chaplow and Cork and freebies like Tad Lee. We are not paying the transfer fees or wages of some of our competition like Leicester and West Ham.

Many teams have been competing at various stages of the season for auto yet only one team has held onto top two all season long. No one saw the Reading run coming and fair play to them, outstanding run.

Step back, take a breath and rejoice at where we are now and look to the future with joy and excitement.

Then look to the East and laugh and laugh and laugh until the tears run down your cheeks. That's what happens if you try and rush things, if you try and buy success - if you cheat. Football needs the skunts to be liquidized after constantly cheating by buying players they couldn't afford and paying wages they couldn't afford to give them an advantage over proper honest football clubs. Before you say it's not the fans fault yes it is, they demanded it, they called for more success for better players who cost more in terms of transfer fees and wages, fees and wages they simply couldn't afford. Don't fall into the same trap.

PTID1898 wrote:
For sale one open top bus, hardley used for info call 02380 4-1 1-4 2-2 ,
Who the f@ck is laughing now!!!!PUP

WobblyCat wrote:

PTID1898 wrote:
For sale one open top bus, hardley used for info call 02380 4-1 1-4 2-2 ,
Who the f@ck is laughing now!!!!PUP

Your club has been relegated and faces liduidation, you're on here somehow thinking you have the high ground! You are just not a football fan, you have no idea what it's about.

WobblyCat wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

saintpope wrote:
felt the Saints players harassing the ref after the foul did not help. They peed Mr Bates off and I think asking for the sending off made him not give anything. We had chances today but just did not have the finishing touch. Shots on target were like chocolate fire guards. Guly came on today and did some good link up play, better attitude from him. Boro kept AL and RL out of the game today and losing Chaplow was tough as he was making some great surging runs into RH of their box. We need Martin next to Hoov as Fonte has lost pace and has to hang on to strikers to keep them close. He needs long hair back to make him more streamlined as he has box head now!! COYR

Superb analysis although I think Martin might be a gamble against Coventry.

Dont agree about the ref, they should give what they see, simple as that! It was the easiest card desicion this season, what was he thinking.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I'm very happy with where we're at. It was nearly over three years ago yet in the first post apocalypse season we won the jpt in the second we got promoted from league 1 and this season we will get promoted to the Prem. It's truly spectacular.

We haven't spent big, no players over 2m and only Lambert, Fonte, Fox and Hooivelt over 1m. Many superb bargains like Chaplow and Cork and freebies like Tad Lee. We are not paying the transfer fees or wages of some of our competition like Leicester and West Ham.

Many teams have been competing at various stages of the season for auto yet only one team has held onto top two all season long. No one saw the Reading run coming and fair play to them, outstanding run.

Step back, take a breath and rejoice at where we are now and look to the future with joy and excitement.

Then look to the East and laugh and laugh and laugh until the tears run down your cheeks. That's what happens if you try and rush things, if you try and buy success - if you cheat. Football needs the skunts to be liquidized after constantly cheating by buying players they couldn't afford and paying wages they couldn't afford to give them an advantage over proper honest football clubs. Before you say it's not the fans fault yes it is, they demanded it, they called for more success for better players who cost more in terms of transfer fees and wages, fees and wages they simply couldn't afford. Don't fall into the same trap.

circa 66 saint wrote:
goal line technology good or bad . now calls for 4th official to monitor game with tv evidence THE FUTURE
WELCOME TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE SPONSORED BY PLAYSTATION
the game is played by humans refereed by humans and that includes all the imperfections that the game has had since it's inception
the problem is the amount of cash involved the GAME is being railroded and is losing touch with it's original audiance

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

circa 66 saint wrote:
goal line technology good or bad . now calls for 4th official to monitor game with tv evidence THE FUTURE
WELCOME TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE SPONSORED BY PLAYSTATION
the game is played by humans refereed by humans and that includes all the imperfections that the game has had since it's inception
the problem is the amount of cash involved the GAME is being railroded and is losing touch with it's original audiance

True to an extent. But there are some ways that technology can be used for the benefit of (and without inturruption to) the game.
1. A goal line camera to see if a ball has crossed the line for a goal, corner or goalkick. Thus, if a decision is subsequently awarded when, in fact, the ball had already crossed the line, the game is easily taken back to the point at which play should have been stopped.
2. To correct a clear refereeing error in a case where a ref has or hasn't awarded something. So, a player dives, the ref awards a pen instead of an indirect free kick to the defence. Immediately after a review (30 seconds?), the decision is reversed and a yellow is awarded to the diver. Or, a dangerous tackle goes unpunished. The game continues. The ref is informed and the player is subsequently punished. If an advantage was gained by the offending team, the game is taken back to that point.

One important caviat, a video ref NEVER alters a decision if in ANY doubt within an immediate slow motion TV review of each camera angle.

Likewise, post-match reviews to highlight cheats or reconsider cards given or not (as is partially the case at the moment) should become standard practice as in, say, Aussie rules where (I think it's still the case) reviews are very common. If a cheat's team gains something from a game as a direct result of the cheat's actions, that player will be banned for the number of games corresponding to the advantage gained .... one match per goal and/or point gained. Thus, a penalty gained by diving could incur a four-match ban (one for the goal, three for a win). That might stop diving in the real world. As for Playstation, from the little I've seen, it's set up to include a certain amount of refereeing errors, no? Some off-sides and red cards look like they've come from a very human world.

circa 66 saint wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

circa 66 saint wrote:
goal line technology good or bad . now calls for 4th official to monitor game with tv evidence THE FUTURE
WELCOME TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE SPONSORED BY PLAYSTATION
the game is played by humans refereed by humans and that includes all the imperfections that the game has had since it's inception
the problem is the amount of cash involved the GAME is being railroded and is losing touch with it's original audiance

True to an extent. But there are some ways that technology can be used for the benefit of (and without inturruption to) the game.
1. A goal line camera to see if a ball has crossed the line for a goal, corner or goalkick. Thus, if a decision is subsequently awarded when, in fact, the ball had already crossed the line, the game is easily taken back to the point at which play should have been stopped.
2. To correct a clear refereeing error in a case where a ref has or hasn't awarded something. So, a player dives, the ref awards a pen instead of an indirect free kick to the defence. Immediately after a review (30 seconds?), the decision is reversed and a yellow is awarded to the diver. Or, a dangerous tackle goes unpunished. The game continues. The ref is informed and the player is subsequently punished. If an advantage was gained by the offending team, the game is taken back to that point.

One important caviat, a video ref NEVER alters a decision if in ANY doubt within an immediate slow motion TV review of each camera angle.

Likewise, post-match reviews to highlight cheats or reconsider cards given or not (as is partially the case at the moment) should become standard practice as in, say, Aussie rules where (I think it's still the case) reviews are very common. If a cheat's team gains something from a game as a direct result of the cheat's actions, that player will be banned for the number of games corresponding to the advantage gained .... one match per goal and/or point gained. Thus, a penalty gained by diving could incur a four-match ban (one for the goal, three for a win). That might stop diving in the real world. As for Playstation, from the little I've seen, it's set up to include a certain amount of refereeing errors, no? Some off-sides and red cards look like they've come from a very human world.

i don't think that there is a right answer to this problem. but my point is where does it stop does the future mean the ref and linesmen will become redundant should players/teams be punished after the match, damm right why should cheats prosper and if the evidence shows cheating then dish out the fines and or bans this might go some way to reducing the bad bits in the modern game

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

circa 66 saint wrote:
goal line technology good or bad . now calls for 4th official to monitor game with tv evidence THE FUTURE
WELCOME TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE SPONSORED BY PLAYSTATION
the game is played by humans refereed by humans and that includes all the imperfections that the game has had since it's inception
the problem is the amount of cash involved the GAME is being railroded and is losing touch with it's original audiance

True to an extent. But there are some ways that technology can be used for the benefit of (and without inturruption to) the game.
1. A goal line camera to see if a ball has crossed the line for a goal, corner or goalkick. Thus, if a decision is subsequently awarded when, in fact, the ball had already crossed the line, the game is easily taken back to the point at which play should have been stopped.
2. To correct a clear refereeing error in a case where a ref has or hasn't awarded something. So, a player dives, the ref awards a pen instead of an indirect free kick to the defence. Immediately after a review (30 seconds?), the decision is reversed and a yellow is awarded to the diver. Or, a dangerous tackle goes unpunished. The game continues. The ref is informed and the player is subsequently punished. If an advantage was gained by the offending team, the game is taken back to that point.

One important caviat, a video ref NEVER alters a decision if in ANY doubt within an immediate slow motion TV review of each camera angle.

Likewise, post-match reviews to highlight cheats or reconsider cards given or not (as is partially the case at the moment) should become standard practice as in, say, Aussie rules where (I think it's still the case) reviews are very common. If a cheat's team gains something from a game as a direct result of the cheat's actions, that player will be banned for the number of games corresponding to the advantage gained .... one match per goal and/or point gained. Thus, a penalty gained by diving could incur a four-match ban (one for the goal, three for a win). That might stop diving in the real world. As for Playstation, from the little I've seen, it's set up to include a certain amount of refereeing errors, no? Some off-sides and red cards look like they've come from a very human world.

Confucious wrote:
Sky TV is controlling refs, bribery is rife throughout the game and Elvis is still alive and working in Tescos in Bedford.

Confucious wrote:
This Saturday, the rain - next Saturday, the rainbow.

Winchester Saint wrote:
I heard report that Saints v Coventry will be on live TV but not on Sky instead on BBC TV!

If you are thinking about an easy game for next Saturday then think again cos Coventry will not take it too easy despite being relegated and they would want a win to keep their spirit high and perhaps done West ham a favor.

The game will be hard for Saints especially as we are missing Chaplow and De Ridder who are out injured.

West Ham will no doubt beat Leicester City on Monday and they'll have no problems beating Hull City on last day.

But Saints will have to make sure we get promoted and not to allow Coventry to take a shot at goal again.

Lose this one and West Ham wins both Monday and Saturday's games then we will drop down into third but Saints will make sure this doesn't happen.

Play off maybe very hard for us to win the final at Wembley cos two or three of them in play off beat us twice during the season and likely to beat us again.

So get cracking and get us promoted, Saints or else we stay in Championship or in lower league for much longer!

COYR SAINTS!

Velleity wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Velleity wrote:
The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine.

It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.

Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.

Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them)

If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten.
Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty".

Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not.

By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided.

Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Velleity wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Velleity wrote:
The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine.

It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.

Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.

Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them)

If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten.
Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty".

Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not.

By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided.

Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.

Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Lots of talk of dodgy refereeing yesterday. You're right. After Middlesborough equalised at the end of the first half, deep into injury time, they had the ball in the back of the net again before the half time whistle. It was given off side. It wasn't. Swings and roundabouts.

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Velleity wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Velleity wrote:
The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine.

It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.

Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.

Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them)

If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten.
Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty".

Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not.

By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided.

Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.

Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.

I always tell the little Strassies that it is NEVER ..... NEVER right to cheat and that, if I EVER see them dive or try to con a ref and they get away with it, their punishment will be sweetly administered by me.

Of course, I also add that Michael Owen's dives in the 1998 and 2002 World Cup matches against Argentina were not only okay but Owen's national duty.

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Velleity, I take your point and totally agree about the surrounding of the ref. I hate that and am proud we don't (often) see Saints players under NA doing it. I was also impressed by NA's interview yesterday which echoed many of your comments - so refreshing when compared to those bullies at the top of the Prem.

I agree with you regarding conspiracies, although I went to bed just wondering if there are Sky execs who lean gently on the refs. Maybe it's because I recently heard a first-hand account about an overheard phone call in which the owner of one of Europe's top teams (No, I'm not going to even identify the country) asked the person at the end of the phone how much each player on the other team needed so that his team would win the next match and with it the domestic title. There's no doubt that certain things happen in our beloved sport which we will never find out about.

Alas, more common is the fact that a ref, being human (most of the time!) might be swayed by a home crowd .... yes, even at SMS. Maybe that's why I am a technology fan. I just hate how often the top teams at home seem to get the 50-50s go their way.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Velleity wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Velleity wrote:
The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine.

It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.

Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.

Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them)

If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten.
Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty".

Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not.

By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided.

Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.

Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.

mayfly wrote:

randre wrote:

mayfly wrote: There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman? I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses. What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on. I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what? Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up. The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.

To be fair I thought saints played well in the two games you mentioned and of course the game away to peterborough, we played well and got the result. I don't think we have played poorly. Don't worry about the premiership as we are not there yet! Anyway, as many other teams supporters, including a reading fan, has said our passing football is better suited for the premier league. I agree, many teams are playing defensive against us now. Keep the faith.. Coyr

randre: It's the day after the game and I'm calming down slowly. Thanks for not beating me up over my views (many would be delighted to squash thoughts that don't fit with their own). My faith is restored! You are quite correct Saints weren't as bad as I claimed against Reading and Boro. I am so desperate for Saints to get back to the Prem and do it in style that anything less than a perfect perfomance throughout the season makes me very impatient. There are no bad teams in the Championship and anyone can beat anyone else on the day but I still feel that our midfield melts away too often and concedes too readily.

Holly the Dog wrote:
The boys will win against Coventry and it will be great to win promotion at home.
I worry about our prospects in the Prem. Our play is to give the ball to the left or right back who hoof it upfield to Lambert from the halfway line and premiership defenders will eat that up all day.
We scored against 'boro by playing the ball on the ground and running through them.
We need an in impact player to come off the bench and why have 2 defenders on the bench and only 1 forward

Velleity wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Velleity, I take your point and totally agree about the surrounding of the ref. I hate that and am proud we don't (often) see Saints players under NA doing it. I was also impressed by NA's interview yesterday which echoed many of your comments - so refreshing when compared to those bullies at the top of the Prem.

I agree with you regarding conspiracies, although I went to bed just wondering if there are Sky execs who lean gently on the refs. Maybe it's because I recently heard a first-hand account about an overheard phone call in which the owner of one of Europe's top teams (No, I'm not going to even identify the country) asked the person at the end of the phone how much each player on the other team needed so that his team would win the next match and with it the domestic title. There's no doubt that certain things happen in our beloved sport which we will never find out about.

Alas, more common is the fact that a ref, being human (most of the time!) might be swayed by a home crowd .... yes, even at SMS. Maybe that's why I am a technology fan. I just hate how often the top teams at home seem to get the 50-50s go their way.

The one about home crowds influencing decisions was investigated by Professor Alan Nevill. From the press release (The original doc is not available; you need to pay to read it)

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Professor Nevill has conducted a significant amount of research into football refereeing and said: “The existence of the home advantage in sport is well known. There is growing evidence that crowd noise plays a crucial part in this phenomenon.

“Consequently, a quantitative study was undertaken to examine the influence of crowd noise upon refereeing decisions in association football. The association between years of experience and any imbalance in refereeing decisions was also addressed.”

Forty qualified officials from the North Staffordshire Referees Club volunteered to take part in the study, with individual experience ranging from newly-qualified referees to 43 years’ experience.

While watching a videotaped recording of the Premiership clash between Liverpool and Leicester at Anfield in the 1998/99 season, they assessed the legality of 47 challenges/incidents recorded during the match. Some referees watched with the crowd noise on, others in silence and when incidents occurred they categorised them as home foul, away foul, no foul or uncertain.

“The presence of crowd noise had a dramatic effect on the decisions made by the referees,” said Professor Nevill. “Those viewing the challenges with background crowd noise were more uncertain in their decision making and awarded significantly fewer fouls (15.5%) against the home team, compared with those watching in silence.

“The noise of the crowd influenced referees’ decisions to favour the home team. It is suggested that referees’ decisions are influenced by the salient nature of crowd noise and the need to avoid potential crowd displeasure by making a decision in favour of the home team."

"“Years of experience had a significant effect on the number of fouls awarded by the referees against the home players, increasing with years of experience until a peak at approximately 16 years and thereafter a decline was observed.”

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So, what we need is what I've always said, which is more noise at St Marys!

saintkenny wrote:

Holly the Dog wrote:
The boys will win against Coventry and it will be great to win promotion at home.
I worry about our prospects in the Prem. Our play is to give the ball to the left or right back who hoof it upfield to Lambert from the halfway line and premiership defenders will eat that up all day.
We scored against 'boro by playing the ball on the ground and running through them.
We need an in impact player to come off the bench and why have 2 defenders on the bench and only 1 forward

answer injurys and kelvin had a knock hence bart on the bench ,hoovield is playing through pain .so forced really

Velleity wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Velleity wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Velleity wrote:
The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine.

It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.

Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.

Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them)

If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten.
Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty".

Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not.

By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided.

Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.

Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.

Wow, what a strange straw man you erect there. Of course I'm not saying that it's OK for refs to get things wrong.

What I'm saying is that they DO get things wrong but it balances out over the season.

warrens 76 wrote:
Time for brutal honesty...
Fact 1:on the ball we are the best footballing team in this division and quite a bit better than many in the Premier.
Fact 2: Off the ball we are shocking everytime we lose ball even on the edge of our opponents area you sense the opposition could score without our beautiful possession football we could often lose by a cricket score, we do not have the resilience in defence.
Fact 3: we have more possession than anyone we make more chances chances than any one.
Fact 4: we continuosly break down in the last 3rd playing"hopeful
" balls...keep it and start again..
Fact 4: our defenders are the most useless header's of the ball I have ever seen, in attack you should always rely on your big centre halfs and central defenders to hit the target from corners... no the ball goes anywere, usually UP which is even more disturbing in our own defensive areas, a powerful and good directional header of the ball will turn defence to attack and be a goal proposition for every corner, our guy's need serious practice they are shocking, indeed we had many clear cut chances to win against Reading just from corners...
Before anyone get's stroppy read the good and the bad in this post!!

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Velleity wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Velleity wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Velleity wrote:
The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine.

It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.

Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.

Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them)

If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten.
Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty".

Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not.

By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided.

Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.

Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.

Wow, what a strange straw man you erect there. Of course I'm not saying that it's OK for refs to get things wrong.

What I'm saying is that they DO get things wrong but it balances out over the season.

In that case let it be on Saturday that we get the benefit of a real howler and I won't complain! Please don't take me seriously I like to tease.....

mayfly wrote:
There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman?
I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses.
What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on.
I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what?
Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up.
The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.

circa 66 saint wrote:
in the dark old days of administration and being put in the third league for being naughty, who would believe that 3 years on we would be on the verge of promotion to the prem and not have to rely on someone else to f@ck up.
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON, WE ARE GOING UP, WE DO NOT DO EASY, BUT WE WILL DO IT.
runners up, in my eyes we are still winners and the team will not and have not let us down.

David Crook wrote:

mayfly wrote:
There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman?
I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses.
What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on.
I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what?
Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up.
The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.

Well said

David Crook wrote:
Fed up with Adkins,when after we lose a match,he say's to the press,will shall study the video,learn from our mistakes,and move on to the next match,but I am sorry Mr.Adkins after yesterdays result against a poor Middlesborough side you don't seem to.

Baddesley Bill wrote:

David Crook wrote:

mayfly wrote:
There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman?
I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses.
What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on.
I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what?
Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up.
The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.

Well said

No...not well said at all. There are 23 other teams in our current league who strive to win every game if they can possibly acheive it. Yes...we are Southampton...but we don't have a god given right to win every game. What we DO have is a good fan base, owners who want to build without breaking the bank, great manager, decent players...and (dare I say it) a positive attitude. The only spanner in the works are the neg heads...get on board..realise that football involves occaisional disappointment...and perhaps we can move forward. There is a banner at SMS that reads "Together We Stand"...there's a tiny minority on here who should try reading it.

Baddesley Bill wrote:

David Crook wrote:

mayfly wrote:
There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman?
I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses.
What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on.
I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what?
Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up.
The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.

Well said

No...not well said at all. There are 23 other teams in our current league who strive to win every game if they can possibly acheive it. Yes...we are Southampton...but we don't have a god given right to win every game. What we DO have is a good fan base, owners who want to build without breaking the bank, great manager, decent players...and (dare I say it) a positive attitude. The only spanner in the works are the neg heads...get on board..realise that football involves occaisional disappointment...and perhaps we can move forward. There is a banner at SMS that reads "Together We Stand"...there's a tiny minority on here who should try reading it.

Baddesley Bill wrote:

David Crook wrote:
Fed up with Adkins,when after we lose a match,he say's to the press,will shall study the video,learn from our mistakes,and move on to the next match,but I am sorry Mr.Adkins after yesterdays result against a poor Middlesborough side you don't seem to.

wum

Confucious wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

David Crook wrote:

mayfly wrote:
There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman?
I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses.
What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on.
I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what?
Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up.
The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.

Well said

No...not well said at all. There are 23 other teams in our current league who strive to win every game if they can possibly acheive it. Yes...we are Southampton...but we don't have a god given right to win every game. What we DO have is a good fan base, owners who want to build without breaking the bank, great manager, decent players...and (dare I say it) a positive attitude. The only spanner in the works are the neg heads...get on board..realise that football involves occaisional disappointment...and perhaps we can move forward. There is a banner at SMS that reads "Together We Stand"...there's a tiny minority on here who should try reading it.

Well said Bill.

Here we are, a debt free club, on the brink of successive promotions, ahead of many bigger spending clubs and ahead of our own club's 5 year plan - and the pre-match message is we're on a run of 'inept' performances and have no chance in the Prem anyway with these inadequate players and poor playing style.

If you were unlucky enough to be on a lifeboat with these two you might be persuaded to shout "Oh woe is me - we're doomed!" and just jump in to get it over with.

Redarmy1 would be altogether better company.

JohnItaly wrote:
I know this comment will in itself generate some disagreement but oddly enough I think sometimes you can score too early and I suspect that was the problem yesterday. For whatever reasons Saints failed to capitalise on the early goal giving Middlesborough time to rectify the early loss and then they scored at the optimum moment, which swung the game mentally their way. I was not surprised at the final outcome. Saints have three opportunities to secure promotion. One has gone, the second is Monday evening so here's hoping Leicester get a draw at the very least so ensuring next Saturday is party time at St Marys right from the kick-off.

David Crook wrote:

mayfly wrote:
There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman?
I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses.
What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on.
I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what?
Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up.
The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.

Well said

David Crook wrote:

mayfly wrote:
There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman?
I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses.
What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on.
I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what?
Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up.
The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.

Well said

slugger wrote:
also i'd like to personaly thank the skunts for making yesterday a little more bearable ....... bye bye ..... bye bye and goodnight .

Baddesley Bill wrote:

David Crook wrote:

mayfly wrote:
There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman?
I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses.
What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on.
I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what?
Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up.
The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.

Well said

No...not well said at all. There are 23 other teams in our current league who strive to win every game if they can possibly acheive it. Yes...we are Southampton...but we don't have a god given right to win every game. What we DO have is a good fan base, owners who want to build without breaking the bank, great manager, decent players...and (dare I say it) a positive attitude. The only spanner in the works are the neg heads...get on board..realise that football involves occaisional disappointment...and perhaps we can move forward. There is a banner at SMS that reads "Together We Stand"...there's a tiny minority on here who should try reading it.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If I was a Liebherr and read some of these posts I might be inclined to take my 33m somewhere else or just spend it on enjoying myself - immensely with that sum!

rocketone wrote:
Was I watching a different game?
We scored in the first minute, we had 8 attempts on goal in the first half and I can't remember how many in the second.
We lost, so what ?
It was an away game against a team who were doing their damndest to get into the play-offs. Mboro played the best they have played in ages and hassled and harrased and did everything they could and Saints gave them a real good go back.
Doomngloom go away and post on another site please, this is the Southern Daily Echo, where Saints fans gather to support their team.
If you do not like Saints , by all means go on the Poopey site and tell them how rubbish we are, if you have a ticket for next week and you are only going to boo Saints or any individual player, then give your ticket to a real supporter who wants to go there and cheer on their team.

SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB support them through thick + thin and sing your hearts out !

rocketone wrote:
Was I watching a different game?
We scored in the first minute, we had 8 attempts on goal in the first half and I can't remember how many in the second.
We lost, so what ?
It was an away game against a team who were doing their damndest to get into the play-offs. Mboro played the best they have played in ages and hassled and harrased and did everything they could and Saints gave them a real good go back.
Doomngloom go away and post on another site please, this is the Southern Daily Echo, where Saints fans gather to support their team.
If you do not like Saints , by all means go on the Poopey site and tell them how rubbish we are, if you have a ticket for next week and you are only going to boo Saints or any individual player, then give your ticket to a real supporter who wants to go there and cheer on their team.

SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB support them through thick + thin and sing your hearts out !

golddene wrote:
Just disregard your latest setback and stuff coventry without a doubt you have been the best football team in the championship this season and definitely deserve your place in the prem next year, the south coast deserves a top level side there and that is you we will miss the banter with you but you've earned your right to compete at the highest domestic level as so do your players especially Ricky Lambert and Adam Lallana they have been brilliant for Saints this year and last to be honest, just get the win and don't you dare come back. With a bit of luck and some shrewd investment maybe we can carry on our rivalry at the next level have a great season next year i'll be watching you on MOTD.good luck and in the nicest way don't come back.seagulls

golddene wrote:
Just disregard your latest setback and stuff coventry without a doubt you have been the best football team in the championship this season and definitely deserve your place in the prem next year, the south coast deserves a top level side there and that is you we will miss the banter with you but you've earned your right to compete at the highest domestic level as so do your players especially Ricky Lambert and Adam Lallana they have been brilliant for Saints this year and last to be honest, just get the win and don't you dare come back. With a bit of luck and some shrewd investment maybe we can carry on our rivalry at the next level have a great season next year i'll be watching you on MOTD.good luck and in the nicest way don't come back.seagulls

golddene wrote:
Just disregard your latest setback and stuff coventry without a doubt you have been the best football team in the championship this season and definitely deserve your place in the prem next year, the south coast deserves a top level side there and that is you we will miss the banter with you but you've earned your right to compete at the highest domestic level as so do your players especially Ricky Lambert and Adam Lallana they have been brilliant for Saints this year and last to be honest, just get the win and don't you dare come back. With a bit of luck and some shrewd investment maybe we can carry on our rivalry at the next level have a great season next year i'll be watching you on MOTD.good luck and in the nicest way don't come back.seagulls

David Crook wrote:
Fed up with Adkins,when after we lose a match,he say's to the press,will shall study the video,learn from our mistakes,and move on to the next match,but I am sorry Mr.Adkins after yesterdays result against a poor Middlesborough side you don't seem to.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Velleity wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Velleity wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Velleity wrote: The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine. It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.

Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.

Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them) If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten. Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty". Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not. By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided. Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.

Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.

Wow, what a strange straw man you erect there. Of course I'm not saying that it's OK for refs to get things wrong. What I'm saying is that they DO get things wrong but it balances out over the season.

In that case let it be on Saturday that we get the benefit of a real howler and I won't complain! Please don't take me seriously I like to tease.....

Not seen you teasing the skunts for along time, you given up on your missionary work? :)

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Velleity wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Velleity wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Velleity wrote: The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine. It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.

Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.

Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them) If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten. Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty". Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not. By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided. Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.

Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.

Wow, what a strange straw man you erect there. Of course I'm not saying that it's OK for refs to get things wrong. What I'm saying is that they DO get things wrong but it balances out over the season.

In that case let it be on Saturday that we get the benefit of a real howler and I won't complain! Please don't take me seriously I like to tease.....

golddene wrote:
Just disregard your latest setback and stuff coventry without a doubt you have been the best football team in the championship this season and definitely deserve your place in the prem next year, the south coast deserves a top level side there and that is you we will miss the banter with you but you've earned your right to compete at the highest domestic level as so do your players especially Ricky Lambert and Adam Lallana they have been brilliant for Saints this year and last to be honest, just get the win and don't you dare come back. With a bit of luck and some shrewd investment maybe we can carry on our rivalry at the next level have a great season next year i'll be watching you on MOTD.good luck and in the nicest way don't come back.seagulls