Lallana: It was "crazy" not to send off Hines

Adam Lallana

Adam Lallana

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ADAM Lallana branded referee Tony Bates’ decision not to send off Middlesbrough defender Seb Hines as “crazy”.

With the scores level at 1-1 early in the second half, the midfielder was racing through on goal when he was tripped from behind by the Boro centre half just outside the area.

Bates gave the free-kick, but to Saints’ shock did not produce a card of any kind.

Although a covering defender was arguably coming across to prevent a red, the foul looked to warrant a yellow at the very least.

That would have meant a dismissal for Hines, who had been booked minutes earlier, and would likely have changed the entire complexion of the game, which Boro went on to win 2-1.

After the match, Lallana was at a loss to explain the decision not to dismiss Hines.

“I just remember taking a touch and looking up,” he said. “I was going to shoot, but I thought I was quite far out, so I took another touch further away from the defender, and just getting brought down.

“I remember straight away thinking ‘is it a pen, is it a free-kick?’ because I didn’t know where he was.

“Straight away in my head I’m thinking ‘He’s off’ because I remember a second before looking up and the keeper was just there.

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“So getting up and thinking ‘He’s going to pull a red out here’ to not give a card at all is crazy really. I don’t know what much else to say.

“I didn’t even know who brought me down. But if it was Hines he’d already been booked.

“I haven’t even seen it again, but I’m straight away thinking ‘that’s a straight red, I’m through on goal.’”

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8:34pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Swissowned says...

I'm totally f***ing sick of inconsistent refereeing in this bloody sport. I'm sick of the bad sportsmanship (ie diving - which Gary Neville seems to condone). I'm sick of the fact that money has badly ruined this sport and I'm sick at the fact that the destiny of some clubs is potentially being decided on inconsistent decisions.

Regarding this article and Adams comments, the actual foul itself was the correct decision, but not to issue a yellow card for a blatant foul from behind is just incompetent. Then a few minutes later Fonte gets booked for a foul (and rightly so) on the edge of the area for holding back the defender.

It's not so much the bad decisions that infuriates fans but the inconsistency by referees. It's one thing to miss an incident but quite another to deal with similar incidents with differing levels of punishment.

We'll never know now but it's fairly obvious to say that the decision not to send of Hines for a blatant foul appears to have change the outcome of this incredibly important match.

Very disappointed. I would love to hear mr Bates explanation!
I'm totally f***ing sick of inconsistent refereeing in this bloody sport. I'm sick of the bad sportsmanship (ie diving - which Gary Neville seems to condone). I'm sick of the fact that money has badly ruined this sport and I'm sick at the fact that the destiny of some clubs is potentially being decided on inconsistent decisions. Regarding this article and Adams comments, the actual foul itself was the correct decision, but not to issue a yellow card for a blatant foul from behind is just incompetent. Then a few minutes later Fonte gets booked for a foul (and rightly so) on the edge of the area for holding back the defender. It's not so much the bad decisions that infuriates fans but the inconsistency by referees. It's one thing to miss an incident but quite another to deal with similar incidents with differing levels of punishment. We'll never know now but it's fairly obvious to say that the decision not to send of Hines for a blatant foul appears to have change the outcome of this incredibly important match. Very disappointed. I would love to hear mr Bates explanation! Swissowned
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8:35pm Sat 21 Apr 12

lambo83 says...

A rubbish decision, if he gave the foul he had to give the second yellow
A rubbish decision, if he gave the foul he had to give the second yellow lambo83
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8:40pm Sat 21 Apr 12

rob the saint in NZ says...

It was a shocking decision not to at least give a 2nd yellow.

The referee was the only person watching the game who didn't think it was a challenge worthy of at least a yellow card.

He is either shockingly incompetent & inconsistent in his decision making ability or biased.

But, the moment has gone, we wait for Wet Spam's result on Monday night & then a HUGE party next Saturday at SMS!!!

COYR!!!

WE ARE GOING UP & THE SKUNTS HAVE BEEN RELEGATED!!!!

YEEHAH!!!!!
It was a shocking decision not to at least give a 2nd yellow. The referee was the only person watching the game who didn't think it was a challenge worthy of at least a yellow card. He is either shockingly incompetent & inconsistent in his decision making ability or biased. But, the moment has gone, we wait for Wet Spam's result on Monday night & then a HUGE party next Saturday at SMS!!! COYR!!! WE ARE GOING UP & THE SKUNTS HAVE BEEN RELEGATED!!!! YEEHAH!!!!! rob the saint in NZ
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8:42pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Jesus_02 says...

Yes bad decision, but Lambert was pulled up when one on one with the keeper when the ball didn't even go out which IMO was a far worse decision.

BTW I hate Sky
Yes bad decision, but Lambert was pulled up when one on one with the keeper when the ball didn't even go out which IMO was a far worse decision. BTW I hate Sky Jesus_02
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8:54pm Sat 21 Apr 12

WinchesterBond says...

One word sums up the referree's decision.."unfathoma
ble". Definitely a "goal-scoring opportunity" as AL is primed to shoot and the "covering" defender is in no position to block. Even if the referee considered it not a "goal scoring opportunity" when a player is through on goal, 19 yards out ball at feet then surely a trip from behind in that position is reckless so it is a 2nd yellow so a Red Card i.e. Sending Off. Quite simply another referee who has failed miserably to make the correct decision and affected the match result through his incompetence. Interestingly a few minutes later he books Jose for tugging back the Boro forward, also in a promising (albeit less than Adam's) position. Would love to know how he explains both decisions to the assessor. In my opinion both should have had the same result not different. Once we have got Goaline technology up and running the next step is the 4th official have a TV monitor and feeding valuable information to the referee. It is time to take out the guesswork.
One word sums up the referree's decision.."unfathoma ble". Definitely a "goal-scoring opportunity" as AL is primed to shoot and the "covering" defender is in no position to block. Even if the referee considered it not a "goal scoring opportunity" when a player is through on goal, 19 yards out ball at feet then surely a trip from behind in that position is reckless so it is a 2nd yellow so a Red Card i.e. Sending Off. Quite simply another referee who has failed miserably to make the correct decision and affected the match result through his incompetence. Interestingly a few minutes later he books Jose for tugging back the Boro forward, also in a promising (albeit less than Adam's) position. Would love to know how he explains both decisions to the assessor. In my opinion both should have had the same result not different. Once we have got Goaline technology up and running the next step is the 4th official have a TV monitor and feeding valuable information to the referee. It is time to take out the guesswork. WinchesterBond
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8:56pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Velleity says...

The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine.

It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.
The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine. It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it. Velleity
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9:00pm Sat 21 Apr 12

redduke says...

Possibly the worst refereeing decision of the season, a straight red without a doubt, this stinks - it really stinks. Am I paranoid or is there a conspiracy to get the East End pub team up at our expense?
Having said that, we really didn't make many chances over the 90 mins. Let's just hope Leicester can hold the hoofers on Monday night, although if we can't bury Coventry............
!
Possibly the worst refereeing decision of the season, a straight red without a doubt, this stinks - it really stinks. Am I paranoid or is there a conspiracy to get the East End pub team up at our expense? Having said that, we really didn't make many chances over the 90 mins. Let's just hope Leicester can hold the hoofers on Monday night, although if we can't bury Coventry............ ! redduke
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9:06pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Velleity says...

redduke wrote:
Possibly the worst refereeing decision of the season, a straight red without a doubt, this stinks - it really stinks. Am I paranoid or is there a conspiracy to get the East End pub team up at our expense?
Having said that, we really didn't make many chances over the 90 mins. Let's just hope Leicester can hold the hoofers on Monday night, although if we can't bury Coventry............

!
Yes, you're paranoid. Grow up.
[quote][p][bold]redduke[/bold] wrote: Possibly the worst refereeing decision of the season, a straight red without a doubt, this stinks - it really stinks. Am I paranoid or is there a conspiracy to get the East End pub team up at our expense? Having said that, we really didn't make many chances over the 90 mins. Let's just hope Leicester can hold the hoofers on Monday night, although if we can't bury Coventry............ ![/p][/quote]Yes, you're paranoid. Grow up. Velleity
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9:09pm Sat 21 Apr 12

pompey in spain says...

redduke...i cant see you beating coventry and with whu getting this big new stadium and passionate fans the prem league will want them not you!and with respect adkins will be going to a big club like wigan or swansea when you lose the play offs!
redduke...i cant see you beating coventry and with whu getting this big new stadium and passionate fans the prem league will want them not you!and with respect adkins will be going to a big club like wigan or swansea when you lose the play offs! pompey in spain
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9:09pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Little Hitler says...

I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again. Little Hitler
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9:11pm Sat 21 Apr 12

rob the saint in NZ says...

Velleity wrote:
The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine.

It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.
Yep, it's over & we can't change it.

Let's move on & watch the Leicester v Wet Spam result with great interest & then regardless of that, let's stuff Coventry at SMS next Saturday & have one massive party!

COYR!!!
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine. It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.[/p][/quote]Yep, it's over & we can't change it. Let's move on & watch the Leicester v Wet Spam result with great interest & then regardless of that, let's stuff Coventry at SMS next Saturday & have one massive party! COYR!!! rob the saint in NZ
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9:14pm Sat 21 Apr 12

rob the saint in NZ says...

pompey in spain wrote:
redduke...i cant see you beating coventry and with whu getting this big new stadium and passionate fans the prem league will want them not you!and with respect adkins will be going to a big club like wigan or swansea when you lose the play offs!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

Bye skunt!

Enjoy League 1 & then liquidation & then a Tesco on Fartton's grave!!!

Who the f**k is laughing now!!!!
[quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: redduke...i cant see you beating coventry and with whu getting this big new stadium and passionate fans the prem league will want them not you!and with respect adkins will be going to a big club like wigan or swansea when you lose the play offs![/p][/quote]HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! Bye skunt! Enjoy League 1 & then liquidation & then a Tesco on Fartton's grave!!! Who the f**k is laughing now!!!! rob the saint in NZ
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9:18pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Mongoose says...

Totally gutted We did not play that well but feel totally robbed But to take up another posters point;

IF WE CANNOT BEAT COVENTRY ON SATURDAY THEN WE DESERVE THE PLAY OFFS

Lets get ready to party on the 28th Come on you Saints
Totally gutted We did not play that well but feel totally robbed But to take up another posters point; IF WE CANNOT BEAT COVENTRY ON SATURDAY THEN WE DESERVE THE PLAY OFFS Lets get ready to party on the 28th Come on you Saints Mongoose
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9:20pm Sat 21 Apr 12

redduke says...

Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.
So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins
[quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.[/p][/quote]So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins redduke
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9:21pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Velleity says...

pompey in spain wrote:
redduke...i cant see you beating coventry and with whu getting this big new stadium and passionate fans the prem league will want them not you!and with respect adkins will be going to a big club like wigan or swansea when you lose the play offs!
This must be your way of easing the pain you are feeling today. I do hope it makes you feel better, because you must be desperately unhappy at what happened to you today.

It's typical of people like you to assume that there's some sort of league conspiracy to force results that someone in power wants. I'm mature enough to accept that you win some and you lose some. Frankly we deserved the result today.

If you're seriously saying "i cant see you beating coventry" then you have odd foresight! Are you seriously saying that you can't see a team at number 2 in the league beating a team at the bottom? So, you wouldn't expect Man U to beast, say, Wolves? I accept that odd results happen, but not to expect us to beat them is a bit feeble, really.

Or are you just letting your prejudices show and coating them with a layer of conspiracy theory?
[quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: redduke...i cant see you beating coventry and with whu getting this big new stadium and passionate fans the prem league will want them not you!and with respect adkins will be going to a big club like wigan or swansea when you lose the play offs![/p][/quote]This must be your way of easing the pain you are feeling today. I do hope it makes you feel better, because you must be desperately unhappy at what happened to you today. It's typical of people like you to assume that there's some sort of league conspiracy to force results that someone in power wants. I'm mature enough to accept that you win some and you lose some. Frankly we deserved the result today. If you're seriously saying "i cant see you beating coventry" then you have odd foresight! Are you seriously saying that you can't see a team at number 2 in the league beating a team at the bottom? So, you wouldn't expect Man U to beast, say, Wolves? I accept that odd results happen, but not to expect us to beat them is a bit feeble, really. Or are you just letting your prejudices show and coating them with a layer of conspiracy theory? Velleity
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9:23pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Velleity says...

redduke wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.
So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins
Yeah, sack Adkins; he clearly knows NOTHING!
[quote][p][bold]redduke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.[/p][/quote]So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins[/p][/quote]Yeah, sack Adkins; he clearly knows NOTHING! Velleity
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9:26pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Little Hitler says...

redduke wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.
So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins
Their keeper did bugger all but we had numerous efforts which magically appeared to miss the goal at the last second.

You'd do well to remember where we've come from in 2 years. Things are not as bad as you imagine!
[quote][p][bold]redduke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.[/p][/quote]So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins[/p][/quote]Their keeper did bugger all but we had numerous efforts which magically appeared to miss the goal at the last second. You'd do well to remember where we've come from in 2 years. Things are not as bad as you imagine! Little Hitler
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9:27pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Des/Isle of Wight/SFC says...

HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please?
HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please? Des/Isle of Wight/SFC
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9:28pm Sat 21 Apr 12

randre says...

pompey in spain wrote:
redduke...i cant see you beating coventry and with whu getting this big new stadium and passionate fans the prem league will want them not you!and with respect adkins will be going to a big club like wigan or swansea when you lose the play offs!
At least we're not in league 1. Although you will be liquidated, so probably the evo stick southern league for AFC Skatesmouth!! Ha ha ha...
[quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: redduke...i cant see you beating coventry and with whu getting this big new stadium and passionate fans the prem league will want them not you!and with respect adkins will be going to a big club like wigan or swansea when you lose the play offs![/p][/quote]At least we're not in league 1. Although you will be liquidated, so probably the evo stick southern league for AFC Skatesmouth!! Ha ha ha... randre
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9:29pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Little Hitler says...

I hear Reduke has a ticket he wants to sell!
I hear Reduke has a ticket he wants to sell! Little Hitler
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9:30pm Sat 21 Apr 12

David Crook says...

As soon as Guly came on I said to my friends watching the match on sky,we have lost this match 2-1,as for Fonte with his stupid mistakes has cost us to lose against Reading,and to-day.Anyway can't wait till next week when we get promotion at St Mary's
As soon as Guly came on I said to my friends watching the match on sky,we have lost this match 2-1,as for Fonte with his stupid mistakes has cost us to lose against Reading,and to-day.Anyway can't wait till next week when we get promotion at St Mary's David Crook
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9:31pm Sat 21 Apr 12

randre says...

redduke wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.
So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins
Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.
[quote][p][bold]redduke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.[/p][/quote]So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins[/p][/quote]Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong. randre
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9:36pm Sat 21 Apr 12

redduke says...

Velleity wrote:
redduke wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.
So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins
Yeah, sack Adkins; he clearly knows NOTHING!
well ok i'm reacting badly to an oh so predictable result, aided by a lousy refereeing decision, but it seemed clear to me that RL needed to pull his 3 (!) defenders wide to allow the others to make use of the space, but it didn't happen often enough. I wouldn't say that NA knows nothing, he just doesn't know ENOUGH!!
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redduke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.[/p][/quote]So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins[/p][/quote]Yeah, sack Adkins; he clearly knows NOTHING![/p][/quote]well ok i'm reacting badly to an oh so predictable result, aided by a lousy refereeing decision, but it seemed clear to me that RL needed to pull his 3 (!) defenders wide to allow the others to make use of the space, but it didn't happen often enough. I wouldn't say that NA knows nothing, he just doesn't know ENOUGH!! redduke
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9:37pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Des/Isle of Wight/SFC says...

randre wrote:
redduke wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.
So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins
Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.
Reduke......i've been told you may have a ticket for sale for next week, is this true and if so how much do you want for it?
[quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redduke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.[/p][/quote]So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins[/p][/quote]Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.[/p][/quote]Reduke......i've been told you may have a ticket for sale for next week, is this true and if so how much do you want for it? Des/Isle of Wight/SFC
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9:42pm Sat 21 Apr 12

randre says...

redduke wrote:
Velleity wrote:
redduke wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.
So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins
Yeah, sack Adkins; he clearly knows NOTHING!
well ok i'm reacting badly to an oh so predictable result, aided by a lousy refereeing decision, but it seemed clear to me that RL needed to pull his 3 (!) defenders wide to allow the others to make use of the space, but it didn't happen often enough. I wouldn't say that NA knows nothing, he just doesn't know ENOUGH!!
i saw an interview with sir Alex Ferguson a few months ago. He said that he was always learning! NA is a young manager, but he evidently knows more than you...

Who would you have put on for Chaplow?
[quote][p][bold]redduke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redduke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.[/p][/quote]So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins[/p][/quote]Yeah, sack Adkins; he clearly knows NOTHING![/p][/quote]well ok i'm reacting badly to an oh so predictable result, aided by a lousy refereeing decision, but it seemed clear to me that RL needed to pull his 3 (!) defenders wide to allow the others to make use of the space, but it didn't happen often enough. I wouldn't say that NA knows nothing, he just doesn't know ENOUGH!![/p][/quote]i saw an interview with sir Alex Ferguson a few months ago. He said that he was always learning! NA is a young manager, but he evidently knows more than you... Who would you have put on for Chaplow? randre
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9:43pm Sat 21 Apr 12

worried of n e hampshire says...

we wrer poor, the sending off or not does not excuse the fact that we were not good tonight.
next week should be a blast tho!
we wrer poor, the sending off or not does not excuse the fact that we were not good tonight. next week should be a blast tho! worried of n e hampshire
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9:46pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Little Hitler says...

Des/Isle of Wight/SFC wrote:
randre wrote:
redduke wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.
So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins
Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.
Reduke......i've been told you may have a ticket for sale for next week, is this true and if so how much do you want for it?
Sorry dude, I was being ironic. I doubt very much he has a ticket for sale (despite his miserable attitude).

Hope you manage to get one, you clearly deserve to go!
[quote][p][bold]Des/Isle of Wight/SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redduke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.[/p][/quote]So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins[/p][/quote]Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.[/p][/quote]Reduke......i've been told you may have a ticket for sale for next week, is this true and if so how much do you want for it?[/p][/quote]Sorry dude, I was being ironic. I doubt very much he has a ticket for sale (despite his miserable attitude). Hope you manage to get one, you clearly deserve to go! Little Hitler
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9:46pm Sat 21 Apr 12

hedge end bob says...

It's not the end of the world,get it put to bed. We could still be promoted in two days time without kicking a ball. If not we will have another chance next Saturday at home to Coventry.
Look at it this way, there are thousands of Pompey fans not knowing weather to laugh or cry. They want us to fail and they have to wait two or seven days to find out if their wish will come true. It must be double agony for them.
Not worried, myself i can wait two or seven days because i'm sure we will be in the Premiership next season.
Hard luck lads put it right next Saturday. COYR..PHGDOWN.
It's not the end of the world,get it put to bed. We could still be promoted in two days time without kicking a ball. If not we will have another chance next Saturday at home to Coventry. Look at it this way, there are thousands of Pompey fans not knowing weather to laugh or cry. They want us to fail and they have to wait two or seven days to find out if their wish will come true. It must be double agony for them. Not worried, myself i can wait two or seven days because i'm sure we will be in the Premiership next season. Hard luck lads put it right next Saturday. COYR..PHGDOWN. hedge end bob
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9:48pm Sat 21 Apr 12

ghk230473 says...

I don't agree with sky tv
I don't agree with sky tv ghk230473
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9:50pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Des/Isle of Wight/SFC says...

HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please?
HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please? Des/Isle of Wight/SFC
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9:54pm Sat 21 Apr 12

ghk230473 says...

If it wasn't for televised games we would have won this league weeks ago!
If it wasn't for televised games we would have won this league weeks ago! ghk230473
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9:57pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

randre wrote:
redduke wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.
So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins
Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.
Randre, I think we should just give up. Like you, I'm sick of people picking on Guly or saying that NA isn't up to it. Especially, given that they (or we) have no idea what's going on away from the matches themselves. For example, we don't know why NA had Bart back on the bench today but he will have had his reasons.

As you say, we would have settled for this last August and no one could have guessed how Reading (even with the little bit of luck they've enjoyed) would have stormed their way into the top two.

Not too high when we win, not too low when we lose.
[quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redduke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.[/p][/quote]So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins[/p][/quote]Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.[/p][/quote]Randre, I think we should just give up. Like you, I'm sick of people picking on Guly or saying that NA isn't up to it. Especially, given that they (or we) have no idea what's going on away from the matches themselves. For example, we don't know why NA had Bart back on the bench today but he will have had his reasons. As you say, we would have settled for this last August and no one could have guessed how Reading (even with the little bit of luck they've enjoyed) would have stormed their way into the top two. Not too high when we win, not too low when we lose. Strasbourg Saint
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10:00pm Sat 21 Apr 12

redduke says...

worried of n e hampshire wrote:
we wrer poor, the sending off or not does not excuse the fact that we were not good tonight.
next week should be a blast tho!
We'll beat Coventry i'm sure, but let's hope the pressure is off and Leicester can do us a favour on Monday.
Enough from me, i'm an emotional wreck!
[quote][p][bold]worried of n e hampshire[/bold] wrote: we wrer poor, the sending off or not does not excuse the fact that we were not good tonight. next week should be a blast tho![/p][/quote]We'll beat Coventry i'm sure, but let's hope the pressure is off and Leicester can do us a favour on Monday. Enough from me, i'm an emotional wreck! redduke
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10:01pm Sat 21 Apr 12

hedge end bob says...

Des/Isle of Wight/SFC wrote:
HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please?
Where did you hear this?, i have looked on the Saints site and there is not a sign of any tickets. I am a season ticket holderand just logged in and as i said nothing fore sale.
[quote][p][bold]Des/Isle of Wight/SFC[/bold] wrote: HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please?[/p][/quote]Where did you hear this?, i have looked on the Saints site and there is not a sign of any tickets. I am a season ticket holderand just logged in and as i said nothing fore sale. hedge end bob
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10:04pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Des/Isle of Wight/SFC says...

Definately on there......Coventry couldn't sell there full allocation so we now have 500 tickets.
Definately on there......Coventry couldn't sell there full allocation so we now have 500 tickets. Des/Isle of Wight/SFC
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10:06pm Sat 21 Apr 12

ghk230473 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
randre wrote:
redduke wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.
So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins
Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.
Randre, I think we should just give up. Like you, I'm sick of people picking on Guly or saying that NA isn't up to it. Especially, given that they (or we) have no idea what's going on away from the matches themselves. For example, we don't know why NA had Bart back on the bench today but he will have had his reasons.

As you say, we would have settled for this last August and no one could have guessed how Reading (even with the little bit of luck they've enjoyed) would have stormed their way into the top two.

Not too high when we win, not too low when we lose.
Sorry but I have had enough of " we would have taken this at start of season" b0ll0cks. We have been in top 2 all season without playing very well. West ham bottled it and to be Frank we have made reading look better than what they are, too many games have been thrown away.
Premier league every thing apart from league position, let's not take 2nd best. IF we are promoted let's not forget these games and improve the squad accordingly.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redduke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.[/p][/quote]So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins[/p][/quote]Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.[/p][/quote]Randre, I think we should just give up. Like you, I'm sick of people picking on Guly or saying that NA isn't up to it. Especially, given that they (or we) have no idea what's going on away from the matches themselves. For example, we don't know why NA had Bart back on the bench today but he will have had his reasons. As you say, we would have settled for this last August and no one could have guessed how Reading (even with the little bit of luck they've enjoyed) would have stormed their way into the top two. Not too high when we win, not too low when we lose.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I have had enough of " we would have taken this at start of season" b0ll0cks. We have been in top 2 all season without playing very well. West ham bottled it and to be Frank we have made reading look better than what they are, too many games have been thrown away. Premier league every thing apart from league position, let's not take 2nd best. IF we are promoted let's not forget these games and improve the squad accordingly. ghk230473
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10:13pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
randre wrote:
redduke wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.
So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins
Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.
Randre, I think we should just give up. Like you, I'm sick of people picking on Guly or saying that NA isn't up to it. Especially, given that they (or we) have no idea what's going on away from the matches themselves. For example, we don't know why NA had Bart back on the bench today but he will have had his reasons.

As you say, we would have settled for this last August and no one could have guessed how Reading (even with the little bit of luck they've enjoyed) would have stormed their way into the top two.

Not too high when we win, not too low when we lose.
Sorry but I have had enough of " we would have taken this at start of season" b0ll0cks. We have been in top 2 all season without playing very well. West ham bottled it and to be Frank we have made reading look better than what they are, too many games have been thrown away.
Premier league every thing apart from league position, let's not take 2nd best. IF we are promoted let's not forget these games and improve the squad accordingly.
Don't be sorry, and don't be Frank, he might not want you to impersonate him. :)

Trouble with not settling for this position is that, as there's only one team above us, 22 other teams would gladly swap with us. So, what position would you take right now?
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redduke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.[/p][/quote]So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins[/p][/quote]Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.[/p][/quote]Randre, I think we should just give up. Like you, I'm sick of people picking on Guly or saying that NA isn't up to it. Especially, given that they (or we) have no idea what's going on away from the matches themselves. For example, we don't know why NA had Bart back on the bench today but he will have had his reasons. As you say, we would have settled for this last August and no one could have guessed how Reading (even with the little bit of luck they've enjoyed) would have stormed their way into the top two. Not too high when we win, not too low when we lose.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I have had enough of " we would have taken this at start of season" b0ll0cks. We have been in top 2 all season without playing very well. West ham bottled it and to be Frank we have made reading look better than what they are, too many games have been thrown away. Premier league every thing apart from league position, let's not take 2nd best. IF we are promoted let's not forget these games and improve the squad accordingly.[/p][/quote]Don't be sorry, and don't be Frank, he might not want you to impersonate him. :) Trouble with not settling for this position is that, as there's only one team above us, 22 other teams would gladly swap with us. So, what position would you take right now? Strasbourg Saint
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10:17pm Sat 21 Apr 12

saintkenny says...

hedge end bob wrote:
Des/Isle of Wight/SFC wrote:
HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please?
Where did you hear this?, i have looked on the Saints site and there is not a sign of any tickets. I am a season ticket holderand just logged in and as i said nothing fore sale.
its true sky blues sent them back
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des/Isle of Wight/SFC[/bold] wrote: HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please?[/p][/quote]Where did you hear this?, i have looked on the Saints site and there is not a sign of any tickets. I am a season ticket holderand just logged in and as i said nothing fore sale.[/p][/quote]its true sky blues sent them back saintkenny
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10:17pm Sat 21 Apr 12

randre says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
randre wrote:
redduke wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.
So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins
Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.
Randre, I think we should just give up. Like you, I'm sick of people picking on Guly or saying that NA isn't up to it. Especially, given that they (or we) have no idea what's going on away from the matches themselves. For example, we don't know why NA had Bart back on the bench today but he will have had his reasons.

As you say, we would have settled for this last August and no one could have guessed how Reading (even with the little bit of luck they've enjoyed) would have stormed their way into the top two.

Not too high when we win, not too low when we lose.
Sorry but I have had enough of " we would have taken this at start of season" b0ll0cks. We have been in top 2 all season without playing very well. West ham bottled it and to be Frank we have made reading look better than what they are, too many games have been thrown away.
Premier league every thing apart from league position, let's not take 2nd best. IF we are promoted let's not forget these games and improve the squad accordingly.
DISAGREE... We have not played very well at times... Especially on tv. But in my opinion I have seen many games this year where we have been a different class. We pass the ball well and score goals... If you think we have not played well for the majority of this season then I don't know what to think... What do you want? Even the best teams in the world have games where they don't play well.

Southampton have played some excellent football this year, that is why we have been top two. This league us one of the hardest to get out of... Yes I would have taken our position at the start of the season... Even more I am delighted with the style of football we have played.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redduke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.[/p][/quote]So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins[/p][/quote]Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.[/p][/quote]Randre, I think we should just give up. Like you, I'm sick of people picking on Guly or saying that NA isn't up to it. Especially, given that they (or we) have no idea what's going on away from the matches themselves. For example, we don't know why NA had Bart back on the bench today but he will have had his reasons. As you say, we would have settled for this last August and no one could have guessed how Reading (even with the little bit of luck they've enjoyed) would have stormed their way into the top two. Not too high when we win, not too low when we lose.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I have had enough of " we would have taken this at start of season" b0ll0cks. We have been in top 2 all season without playing very well. West ham bottled it and to be Frank we have made reading look better than what they are, too many games have been thrown away. Premier league every thing apart from league position, let's not take 2nd best. IF we are promoted let's not forget these games and improve the squad accordingly.[/p][/quote]DISAGREE... We have not played very well at times... Especially on tv. But in my opinion I have seen many games this year where we have been a different class. We pass the ball well and score goals... If you think we have not played well for the majority of this season then I don't know what to think... What do you want? Even the best teams in the world have games where they don't play well. Southampton have played some excellent football this year, that is why we have been top two. This league us one of the hardest to get out of... Yes I would have taken our position at the start of the season... Even more I am delighted with the style of football we have played. randre
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10:25pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Baddesley Bill says...

Champagne on ice for 7 days maximum...that is all.
Champagne on ice for 7 days maximum...that is all. Baddesley Bill
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10:26pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Champagne on ice for 7 days maximum...that is all.
How was Seedhouse's chopper? :)
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Champagne on ice for 7 days maximum...that is all.[/p][/quote]How was Seedhouse's chopper? :) Strasbourg Saint
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10:29pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Red n White Army says...

hedge end bob wrote:
Des/Isle of Wight/SFC wrote:
HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please?
Where did you hear this?, i have looked on the Saints site and there is not a sign of any tickets. I am a season ticket holderand just logged in and as i said nothing fore sale.
http://www.saintsfc.
co.uk/page/NewsDetai
l/0,,10280~2742689,0
0.html

On sale Tuesday. :)
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des/Isle of Wight/SFC[/bold] wrote: HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please?[/p][/quote]Where did you hear this?, i have looked on the Saints site and there is not a sign of any tickets. I am a season ticket holderand just logged in and as i said nothing fore sale.[/p][/quote]http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/page/NewsDetai l/0,,10280~2742689,0 0.html On sale Tuesday. :) Red n White Army
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10:29pm Sat 21 Apr 12

ghk230743 says...

I do not see adkins as manager in 2013.
I do not see adkins as manager in 2013. ghk230743
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10:32pm Sat 21 Apr 12

SAINTS 4 EVER says...

What is it with us for as long as I have supported Saints we have never done anything the easy way the fans don't deserve this we really need to learn how to close things out and get over this issue with not playing well in front of the cameras because if we are lucky enough to get a second chance and go up we will be playing in front of live cameras even more.Chappers just doesn't have it anymore we have better options whats happened to punch.Now we are relying on west ham to screw up Don't know how much more of this I can take!!!
What is it with us for as long as I have supported Saints we have never done anything the easy way the fans don't deserve this we really need to learn how to close things out and get over this issue with not playing well in front of the cameras because if we are lucky enough to get a second chance and go up we will be playing in front of live cameras even more.Chappers just doesn't have it anymore we have better options whats happened to punch.Now we are relying on west ham to screw up Don't know how much more of this I can take!!! SAINTS 4 EVER
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10:34pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Bobinedzell says...

WHU will draw with Leic.
Party time Monday night.
Keep the faith, and start thinking of new signings.
WHU will draw with Leic. Party time Monday night. Keep the faith, and start thinking of new signings. Bobinedzell
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10:43pm Sat 21 Apr 12

SFCOLDBOY says...

Absolutely gutted.So dissapointed for our fantastic supporters who travelled today.
They did all that they could to raise the roof there.
Very clearly heard on the box.

2 incredibly bad referee decisions
i.e.Rickies ruled out goal and lallana's trip when on goal, were demoralising.
These added to a poor decision by Fonte and poor finishing, have cost us dearly.

All this said it is still all in our hands regardless of West Ham's
results.
Southampton is a professional football club.
The time has come to prove this.
Show this to our supporters on Saturday lets do the job properly.
No excuses.
No regrets.

Coyr's PREMIER CLUB COME SATURDAY.
Absolutely gutted.So dissapointed for our fantastic supporters who travelled today. They did all that they could to raise the roof there. Very clearly heard on the box. 2 incredibly bad referee decisions i.e.Rickies ruled out goal and lallana's trip when on goal, were demoralising. These added to a poor decision by Fonte and poor finishing, have cost us dearly. All this said it is still all in our hands regardless of West Ham's results. Southampton is a professional football club. The time has come to prove this. Show this to our supporters on Saturday lets do the job properly. No excuses. No regrets. Coyr's PREMIER CLUB COME SATURDAY. SFCOLDBOY
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10:51pm Sat 21 Apr 12

saintpope says...

felt the Saints players harassing the ref after the foul did not help. They peed Mr Bates off and I think asking for the sending off made him not give anything. We had chances today but just did not have the finishing touch. Shots on target were like chocolate fire guards. Guly came on today and did some good link up play, better attitude from him. Boro kept AL and RL out of the game today and losing Chaplow was tough as he was making some great surging runs into RH of their box. We need Martin next to Hoov as Fonte has lost pace and has to hang on to strikers to keep them close. He needs long hair back to make him more streamlined as he has box head now!! COYR
felt the Saints players harassing the ref after the foul did not help. They peed Mr Bates off and I think asking for the sending off made him not give anything. We had chances today but just did not have the finishing touch. Shots on target were like chocolate fire guards. Guly came on today and did some good link up play, better attitude from him. Boro kept AL and RL out of the game today and losing Chaplow was tough as he was making some great surging runs into RH of their box. We need Martin next to Hoov as Fonte has lost pace and has to hang on to strikers to keep them close. He needs long hair back to make him more streamlined as he has box head now!! COYR saintpope
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10:53pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Baddesley Bill says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Champagne on ice for 7 days maximum...that is all.
How was Seedhouse's chopper? :)
I got the bus...I always prefer to be onboard the bus whenever I get the opportunity! :O)
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Champagne on ice for 7 days maximum...that is all.[/p][/quote]How was Seedhouse's chopper? :)[/p][/quote]I got the bus...I always prefer to be onboard the bus whenever I get the opportunity! :O) Baddesley Bill
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10:56pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Baddesley Bill says...

Seedhouse...I left my phone at yours. Will pick it up tomorrow morning if you're about?
Seedhouse...I left my phone at yours. Will pick it up tomorrow morning if you're about? Baddesley Bill
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11:02pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Champagne on ice for 7 days maximum...that is all.
How was Seedhouse's chopper? :)
I got the bus...I always prefer to be onboard the bus whenever I get the opportunity! :O)
.... and what a ride this bus is giving us!

It's better than the old No.5, which used to peddle from one side of town to the other.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Champagne on ice for 7 days maximum...that is all.[/p][/quote]How was Seedhouse's chopper? :)[/p][/quote]I got the bus...I always prefer to be onboard the bus whenever I get the opportunity! :O)[/p][/quote].... and what a ride this bus is giving us! It's better than the old No.5, which used to peddle from one side of town to the other. Strasbourg Saint
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11:39pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Tirau Dan says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Champagne on ice for 7 days maximum...that is all.
How was Seedhouse's chopper? :)
I got the bus...I always prefer to be onboard the bus whenever I get the opportunity! :O)
.... and what a ride this bus is giving us!

It's better than the old No.5, which used to peddle from one side of town to the other.
Very little sleep, lots of excitement. Classy early goal. Yep a clear cut sending off but perhaps this was the bite in the bum for Adam's past untouched events. Adam you're loverly mate but harden up a bit.

Anyway.. gutted and sorry for the almost 4k fans away but not down, never defeatist and love Saints.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Champagne on ice for 7 days maximum...that is all.[/p][/quote]How was Seedhouse's chopper? :)[/p][/quote]I got the bus...I always prefer to be onboard the bus whenever I get the opportunity! :O)[/p][/quote].... and what a ride this bus is giving us! It's better than the old No.5, which used to peddle from one side of town to the other.[/p][/quote]Very little sleep, lots of excitement. Classy early goal. Yep a clear cut sending off but perhaps this was the bite in the bum for Adam's past untouched events. Adam you're loverly mate but harden up a bit. Anyway.. gutted and sorry for the almost 4k fans away but not down, never defeatist and love Saints. Tirau Dan
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11:45pm Sat 21 Apr 12

Tirau Dan says...

Meant to say Bill I hope the Beer is still flowing.... hold the bubbles mate!
Meant to say Bill I hope the Beer is still flowing.... hold the bubbles mate! Tirau Dan
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11:53pm Sat 21 Apr 12

webby Op says...

well that was a waste of 90 mins of my life 3yrs and 1 week not able to c the boys win on the google box still think they will go up but this team will get s tuffed in prem need some players by the way what does guly do
well that was a waste of 90 mins of my life 3yrs and 1 week not able to c the boys win on the google box still think they will go up but this team will get s tuffed in prem need some players by the way what does guly do webby Op
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11:57pm Sat 21 Apr 12

SnapperSaint says...

The thing about Saints is, when everything seems to look like it's there for the taking, we somehow seem to make it hard for ourselves. Reading drew today and Roberts got sent off making their last game all the more tough and likely to lose. Hence, we could have won today and not only confirmed promotion, but still had a chance of winning the league!
Up step Saints and go and lose when they should have won, admittedly not helped by a bad ref decision, and now we are still crossing our fingers for Leicester on Monday or waiting until the last game of the season at St. Mary's...
Anyway, really enjoyed this season it's been and still is, a fantastic ride, but would really have been nice to clinch it today, if only to spare my nerves...
Ah well, I guess Saturday will be all the more sweet when we win at home!! Cos I'm guessing WHU will win Monday just so they can jangle my nerves for a few more days...
Who'd be a Saints supporter...
MEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
COYRS
The thing about Saints is, when everything seems to look like it's there for the taking, we somehow seem to make it hard for ourselves. Reading drew today and Roberts got sent off making their last game all the more tough and likely to lose. Hence, we could have won today and not only confirmed promotion, but still had a chance of winning the league! Up step Saints and go and lose when they should have won, admittedly not helped by a bad ref decision, and now we are still crossing our fingers for Leicester on Monday or waiting until the last game of the season at St. Mary's... Anyway, really enjoyed this season it's been and still is, a fantastic ride, but would really have been nice to clinch it today, if only to spare my nerves... Ah well, I guess Saturday will be all the more sweet when we win at home!! Cos I'm guessing WHU will win Monday just so they can jangle my nerves for a few more days... Who'd be a Saints supporter... MEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! COYRS SnapperSaint
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11:58pm Sat 21 Apr 12

SaintinCanada says...

In 1966 I played truant from school one afternoon and took a train to Leyton Orient. It was 1-1 and I was on the pitch after the game when Ted Bates told us "we are not there yet".

I knew in my heart that we were. It would have taken a massive shift in goal difference for any other outcome.....UP WE WENT!

Wet Spam can still hope for a miracle....and that's what makes this the "beautiful game" that it is.....pure excitement! What a wonderful system.

I honestly believe we won our ticket to the Premiership last tuesday.

55 years since my 1st game at the Dell (Saints reserves beat Pompey reserves 2-1 on that day.)

It's never been cut and dry, but trust my feelings......

WE ARE GOING UP!!!

(caps lock with apologies to RED ARRRRRMY)
In 1966 I played truant from school one afternoon and took a train to Leyton Orient. It was 1-1 and I was on the pitch after the game when Ted Bates told us "we are not there yet". I knew in my heart that we were. It would have taken a massive shift in goal difference for any other outcome.....UP WE WENT! Wet Spam can still hope for a miracle....and that's what makes this the "beautiful game" that it is.....pure excitement! What a wonderful system. I honestly believe we won our ticket to the Premiership last tuesday. 55 years since my 1st game at the Dell (Saints reserves beat Pompey reserves 2-1 on that day.) It's never been cut and dry, but trust my feelings...... WE ARE GOING UP!!! (caps lock with apologies to RED ARRRRRMY) SaintinCanada
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12:05am Sun 22 Apr 12

circa 66 saint says...

don't forget still a good day for football we are still the top team in hampshire and will be p.l. within week.
also tesco have offered £1 for farton park but will cost £500 million to decontaminate ( the place has a deep history of ****)
don't forget still a good day for football we are still the top team in hampshire and will be p.l. within week. also tesco have offered £1 for farton park but will cost £500 million to decontaminate ( the place has a deep history of ****) circa 66 saint
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12:14am Sun 22 Apr 12

mayfly says...

There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman?
I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses.
What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on.
I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what?
Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up.
The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.
There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman? I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses. What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on. I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what? Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up. The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play. mayfly
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12:24am Sun 22 Apr 12

City Saint says...

Velleity wrote:
redduke wrote:
Possibly the worst refereeing decision of the season, a straight red without a doubt, this stinks - it really stinks. Am I paranoid or is there a conspiracy to get the East End pub team up at our expense?
Having said that, we really didn't make many chances over the 90 mins. Let's just hope Leicester can hold the hoofers on Monday night, although if we can't bury Coventry............


!
Yes, you're paranoid. Grow up.
Hmmmmm. I sense an amateur ref in our midst. Or are you Mr Bates in disguise? It was a rubbish call. And by the way I've seen many more poor calls go againt us this year than for us.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redduke[/bold] wrote: Possibly the worst refereeing decision of the season, a straight red without a doubt, this stinks - it really stinks. Am I paranoid or is there a conspiracy to get the East End pub team up at our expense? Having said that, we really didn't make many chances over the 90 mins. Let's just hope Leicester can hold the hoofers on Monday night, although if we can't bury Coventry............ ![/p][/quote]Yes, you're paranoid. Grow up.[/p][/quote]Hmmmmm. I sense an amateur ref in our midst. Or are you Mr Bates in disguise? It was a rubbish call. And by the way I've seen many more poor calls go againt us this year than for us. City Saint
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12:41am Sun 22 Apr 12

saintshorse101 says...

poor old steve claridge almost brought to tears talking about the fishy fews relegation! " if you take 10pts off of any team they are going to struggle!" really steve? i think there are many teams in the league that wouldnt! most of the top half for a start! if you go into admin you lose pts, infact you should and could of lost more. besides i`m sure being a skate you are well aware of admin and pts deductions! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
poor old steve claridge almost brought to tears talking about the fishy fews relegation! " if you take 10pts off of any team they are going to struggle!" really steve? i think there are many teams in the league that wouldnt! most of the top half for a start! if you go into admin you lose pts, infact you should and could of lost more. besides i`m sure being a skate you are well aware of admin and pts deductions! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha saintshorse101
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1:02am Sun 22 Apr 12

City Saint says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
randre wrote:
redduke wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.
So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins
Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.
Randre, I think we should just give up. Like you, I'm sick of people picking on Guly or saying that NA isn't up to it. Especially, given that they (or we) have no idea what's going on away from the matches themselves. For example, we don't know why NA had Bart back on the bench today but he will have had his reasons.

As you say, we would have settled for this last August and no one could have guessed how Reading (even with the little bit of luck they've enjoyed) would have stormed their way into the top two.

Not too high when we win, not too low when we lose.
Sorry but I have had enough of " we would have taken this at start of season" b0ll0cks. We have been in top 2 all season without playing very well. West ham bottled it and to be Frank we have made reading look better than what they are, too many games have been thrown away.
Premier league every thing apart from league position, let's not take 2nd best. IF we are promoted let's not forget these games and improve the squad accordingly.
Oh my gawd. I actually agree with this. I see places / people we need to improve upon if we go up. And I HATE to say it, but one of those is Fonte.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redduke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: I thought we had a bagful of chances. It was pretty much Reading all over again.[/p][/quote]So how many saves did their keeper make then? Sorry, Sharp just disappeared in the 2nd half, our best chances were all coming through Chaplow until his injury, and Guly ain't a wide midfielder is he. Once again wrong choice of subs from Adkins[/p][/quote]Who would you have put on for Chaplow then? How can you say yet another mistake by adkins, this man has got us to where none of us believed possible at the start of the season. Sorry, but you are so very wrong.[/p][/quote]Randre, I think we should just give up. Like you, I'm sick of people picking on Guly or saying that NA isn't up to it. Especially, given that they (or we) have no idea what's going on away from the matches themselves. For example, we don't know why NA had Bart back on the bench today but he will have had his reasons. As you say, we would have settled for this last August and no one could have guessed how Reading (even with the little bit of luck they've enjoyed) would have stormed their way into the top two. Not too high when we win, not too low when we lose.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I have had enough of " we would have taken this at start of season" b0ll0cks. We have been in top 2 all season without playing very well. West ham bottled it and to be Frank we have made reading look better than what they are, too many games have been thrown away. Premier league every thing apart from league position, let's not take 2nd best. IF we are promoted let's not forget these games and improve the squad accordingly.[/p][/quote]Oh my gawd. I actually agree with this. I see places / people we need to improve upon if we go up. And I HATE to say it, but one of those is Fonte. City Saint
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1:07am Sun 22 Apr 12

Saints down under says...

Everyone needs to calm down its still in our hands and most importantly Pompey are down.
Watched the game in Australia and could feel the tension only need a favour from Leicester and we are up.

Anyway the skates ate down Rick tock tick tock boom!!

COYR RED AND WHOTE FOREVER
Everyone needs to calm down its still in our hands and most importantly Pompey are down. Watched the game in Australia and could feel the tension only need a favour from Leicester and we are up. Anyway the skates ate down Rick tock tick tock boom!! COYR RED AND WHOTE FOREVER Saints down under
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1:32am Sun 22 Apr 12

randre says...

mayfly wrote:
There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman?
I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses.
What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on.
I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what?
Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up.
The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.
To be fair I thought saints played well in the two games you mentioned and of course the game away to peterborough, we played well and got the result. I don't think we have played poorly.

Don't worry about the premiership as we are not there yet! Anyway, as many other teams supporters, including a reading fan, has said our passing football is better suited for the premier league. I agree, many teams are playing defensive against us now.

Keep the faith.. Coyr
[quote][p][bold]mayfly[/bold] wrote: There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman? I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses. What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on. I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what? Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up. The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.[/p][/quote]To be fair I thought saints played well in the two games you mentioned and of course the game away to peterborough, we played well and got the result. I don't think we have played poorly. Don't worry about the premiership as we are not there yet! Anyway, as many other teams supporters, including a reading fan, has said our passing football is better suited for the premier league. I agree, many teams are playing defensive against us now. Keep the faith.. Coyr randre
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1:41am Sun 22 Apr 12

Saintjock says...

webby Op wrote:
well that was a waste of 90 mins of my life 3yrs and 1 week not able to c the boys win on the google box still think they will go up but this team will get s tuffed in prem need some players by the way what does guly do
Guly does a lot and has scored important goals all season. If you'd been to watch us. By the way.
[quote][p][bold]webby Op[/bold] wrote: well that was a waste of 90 mins of my life 3yrs and 1 week not able to c the boys win on the google box still think they will go up but this team will get s tuffed in prem need some players by the way what does guly do[/p][/quote]Guly does a lot and has scored important goals all season. If you'd been to watch us. By the way. Saintjock
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2:04am Sun 22 Apr 12

scprof says...

Very disappointed with it today. Thought that we could have kept the lead considering Boro have one of the worst home records in the league. The only thing I can think of for the foul on Adam is that the Ref did not know which defender brought him down.

Also for their 2nd goal from the other end of the pitch I could see exactly where he was going to put it about a minute before it was even taken. So obvious the right footer was going to take it and yet they were only bothered about setting the wall up for a left footer leaving 3/4 of the goal just asking for the ball which is just what happened.
Very disappointed with it today. Thought that we could have kept the lead considering Boro have one of the worst home records in the league. The only thing I can think of for the foul on Adam is that the Ref did not know which defender brought him down. Also for their 2nd goal from the other end of the pitch I could see exactly where he was going to put it about a minute before it was even taken. So obvious the right footer was going to take it and yet they were only bothered about setting the wall up for a left footer leaving 3/4 of the goal just asking for the ball which is just what happened. scprof
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2:15am Sun 22 Apr 12

webby Op says...

saintjock bit hard 2 see u from the gold coast australia as far guly is concered must be watching different players
saintjock bit hard 2 see u from the gold coast australia as far guly is concered must be watching different players webby Op
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2:25am Sun 22 Apr 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

My first away game of the Season and it could have been near perfect, Pompey relegated while we were en route, scoring in the first minute, that apart from the brilliant support was as good as it got! The game hinged on one very bad Referee decison, he bottled the Red card which only he knows why he didn't show it. A whole season shouldn't rest on the shoulders of one incompetent nincompoop, who incidentally worried me before the start when he broke off his pre match training routine to walk over and give Mowbray a hug! Master Bates you are well named.
My first away game of the Season and it could have been near perfect, Pompey relegated while we were en route, scoring in the first minute, that apart from the brilliant support was as good as it got! The game hinged on one very bad Referee decison, he bottled the Red card which only he knows why he didn't show it. A whole season shouldn't rest on the shoulders of one incompetent nincompoop, who incidentally worried me before the start when he broke off his pre match training routine to walk over and give Mowbray a hug! Master Bates you are well named. OSPREYSAINT
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2:45am Sun 22 Apr 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Velleity wrote:
The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine.

It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.
Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine. It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.[/p][/quote]Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable. OSPREYSAINT
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3:15am Sun 22 Apr 12

RedArmy1 says...

Back from the game.

Good News about the skunts ...

Stage 1 complete - Down to League One they go !!

Stage 2 - Bring in the Liquidizer !

Stage 3 - Wessex League and Sharing Havant's Ground.

REGARDING THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON.

We have all written so many posts about Jose Fonte going for the man rather than the ball - Nigel have a word ffs.

WE STILL NEED TO FIGHT TO GET PROMOTION TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE ....

DO THE CELEBRATION THING ONCE WE ARE PROMOTED.

RED ARMY 2012. FIGHT.
Back from the game. Good News about the skunts ... Stage 1 complete - Down to League One they go !! Stage 2 - Bring in the Liquidizer ! Stage 3 - Wessex League and Sharing Havant's Ground. REGARDING THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. We have all written so many posts about Jose Fonte going for the man rather than the ball - Nigel have a word ffs. WE STILL NEED TO FIGHT TO GET PROMOTION TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE .... DO THE CELEBRATION THING ONCE WE ARE PROMOTED. RED ARMY 2012. FIGHT. RedArmy1
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7:25am Sun 22 Apr 12

Oldfan says...

Knowing the way the Ref was managing the game Fonte was an idiot because it was clear any Saints retaliation would only go one way - no matter what the provocation. Fonte was doubly an idiot because he must also have known Boro's only real hope of scoring lay in a fluke from a fixed play.

It is also apparent is we are carrying too many players who just cannot score goals. When Lambert moves out to the wing to give others space all it does is remove any threat we have.

I can see ovetime Lambert and and Sharp will get a good understanding (and Lee looks promising) but currently we rely far too heavily on Lambert and if he is off then we simply do not have anyone who can step up.

On the otherhand NA has produced a team whose league postion is an acheivement well beyond the sum of its parts. Both he and the players deserve congratulating on a magnificient season one which only needs a home win against a team already relegated to produce a result beyond what most of us could have dreamed off - automatic promotion.
Knowing the way the Ref was managing the game Fonte was an idiot because it was clear any Saints retaliation would only go one way - no matter what the provocation. Fonte was doubly an idiot because he must also have known Boro's only real hope of scoring lay in a fluke from a fixed play. It is also apparent is we are carrying too many players who just cannot score goals. When Lambert moves out to the wing to give others space all it does is remove any threat we have. I can see ovetime Lambert and and Sharp will get a good understanding (and Lee looks promising) but currently we rely far too heavily on Lambert and if he is off then we simply do not have anyone who can step up. On the otherhand NA has produced a team whose league postion is an acheivement well beyond the sum of its parts. Both he and the players deserve congratulating on a magnificient season one which only needs a home win against a team already relegated to produce a result beyond what most of us could have dreamed off - automatic promotion. Oldfan
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7:39am Sun 22 Apr 12

Des/Isle of Wight/SFC says...

HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please? My email address is desknight08@aol.com and i will be eternally grateful if someone can help me. COYS
HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please? My email address is desknight08@aol.com and i will be eternally grateful if someone can help me. COYS Des/Isle of Wight/SFC
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7:39am Sun 22 Apr 12

Des/Isle of Wight/SFC says...

HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please? My email address is desknight08@aol.com and i will be eternally grateful if someone can help me. COYS
HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please? My email address is desknight08@aol.com and i will be eternally grateful if someone can help me. COYS Des/Isle of Wight/SFC
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8:17am Sun 22 Apr 12

randre says...

PTID1898 wrote:
For sale one open top bus, hardley used for info callSaints fans... Gone down have you... You must be hurting, oh the pain. You deserve it though, if the majority of your supporters are as idiotic as you, you all deserve what has happened to you. It may get worse!

What a thick skunt coming on here trying to take the p@@@ when his team has been RELEGATED. Even if saints blow it at least we have had a far better season than you, and our future looks very good.
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: For sale one open top bus, hardley used for info callSaints fans... Gone down have you... You must be hurting, oh the pain. You deserve it though, if the majority of your supporters are as idiotic as you, you all deserve what has happened to you. It may get worse! What a thick skunt coming on here trying to take the p@@@ when his team has been RELEGATED. Even if saints blow it at least we have had a far better season than you, and our future looks very good. randre
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8:22am Sun 22 Apr 12

randre says...

randre wrote:
PTID1898 wrote:
For sale one open top bus, hardley used for info callSaints fans... Gone down have you... You must be hurting, oh the pain. You deserve it though, if the majority of your supporters are as idiotic as you, you all deserve what has happened to you. It may get worse!

What a thick skunt coming on here trying to take the p@@@ when his team has been RELEGATED. Even if saints blow it at least we have had a far better season than you, and our future looks very good.it seems the quote didn't work properly on my last comment to pitddtf (whatever his skunt name is). But basically what I was saying was......

Saints are laughing at you skunty boy!
[quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: For sale one open top bus, hardley used for info callSaints fans... Gone down have you... You must be hurting, oh the pain. You deserve it though, if the majority of your supporters are as idiotic as you, you all deserve what has happened to you. It may get worse! What a thick skunt coming on here trying to take the p@@@ when his team has been RELEGATED. Even if saints blow it at least we have had a far better season than you, and our future looks very good.[/p][/quote]it seems the quote didn't work properly on my last comment to pitddtf (whatever his skunt name is). But basically what I was saying was...... Saints are laughing at you skunty boy! randre
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8:31am Sun 22 Apr 12

Saintsayer II says...

WinchesterBond wrote:
One word sums up the referree's decision.."unfa
thoma
ble". Definitely a "goal-scoring opportunity" as AL is primed to shoot and the "covering" defender is in no position to block. Even if the referee considered it not a "goal scoring opportunity" when a player is through on goal, 19 yards out ball at feet then surely a trip from behind in that position is reckless so it is a 2nd yellow so a Red Card i.e. Sending Off. Quite simply another referee who has failed miserably to make the correct decision and affected the match result through his incompetence. Interestingly a few minutes later he books Jose for tugging back the Boro forward, also in a promising (albeit less than Adam's) position. Would love to know how he explains both decisions to the assessor. In my opinion both should have had the same result not different. Once we have got Goaline technology up and running the next step is the 4th official have a TV monitor and feeding valuable information to the referee. It is time to take out the guesswork.
And whilst they sort it out we will have a couple of car ads
[quote][p][bold]WinchesterBond[/bold] wrote: One word sums up the referree's decision.."unfa thoma ble". Definitely a "goal-scoring opportunity" as AL is primed to shoot and the "covering" defender is in no position to block. Even if the referee considered it not a "goal scoring opportunity" when a player is through on goal, 19 yards out ball at feet then surely a trip from behind in that position is reckless so it is a 2nd yellow so a Red Card i.e. Sending Off. Quite simply another referee who has failed miserably to make the correct decision and affected the match result through his incompetence. Interestingly a few minutes later he books Jose for tugging back the Boro forward, also in a promising (albeit less than Adam's) position. Would love to know how he explains both decisions to the assessor. In my opinion both should have had the same result not different. Once we have got Goaline technology up and running the next step is the 4th official have a TV monitor and feeding valuable information to the referee. It is time to take out the guesswork.[/p][/quote]And whilst they sort it out we will have a couple of car ads Saintsayer II
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8:38am Sun 22 Apr 12

Slick Saint says...

Hi. Gutted traveller here. Three points. Boro fans are the worst supporters Uce seen with literally no support until they scored the winning goal. 2. Adkins made the wrong sub again and failed to change the shape in another big game. 3. Can anyone tell me where De Ridder was?
Hi. Gutted traveller here. Three points. Boro fans are the worst supporters Uce seen with literally no support until they scored the winning goal. 2. Adkins made the wrong sub again and failed to change the shape in another big game. 3. Can anyone tell me where De Ridder was? Slick Saint
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8:42am Sun 22 Apr 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

saintpope wrote:
felt the Saints players harassing the ref after the foul did not help. They peed Mr Bates off and I think asking for the sending off made him not give anything. We had chances today but just did not have the finishing touch. Shots on target were like chocolate fire guards. Guly came on today and did some good link up play, better attitude from him. Boro kept AL and RL out of the game today and losing Chaplow was tough as he was making some great surging runs into RH of their box. We need Martin next to Hoov as Fonte has lost pace and has to hang on to strikers to keep them close. He needs long hair back to make him more streamlined as he has box head now!! COYR
Superb analysis although I think Martin might be a gamble against Coventry.
[quote][p][bold]saintpope[/bold] wrote: felt the Saints players harassing the ref after the foul did not help. They peed Mr Bates off and I think asking for the sending off made him not give anything. We had chances today but just did not have the finishing touch. Shots on target were like chocolate fire guards. Guly came on today and did some good link up play, better attitude from him. Boro kept AL and RL out of the game today and losing Chaplow was tough as he was making some great surging runs into RH of their box. We need Martin next to Hoov as Fonte has lost pace and has to hang on to strikers to keep them close. He needs long hair back to make him more streamlined as he has box head now!! COYR[/p][/quote]Superb analysis although I think Martin might be a gamble against Coventry. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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8:43am Sun 22 Apr 12

Saintsayer II says...

Des/Isle of Wight/SFC wrote:
HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please? My email address is desknight08@aol.com and i will be eternally grateful if someone can help me. COYS
Des give me a phone number and i will ring you and try to help
[quote][p][bold]Des/Isle of Wight/SFC[/bold] wrote: HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please? My email address is desknight08@aol.com and i will be eternally grateful if someone can help me. COYS[/p][/quote]Des give me a phone number and i will ring you and try to help Saintsayer II
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8:52am Sun 22 Apr 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

PTID1898 wrote:
For sale one open top bus, hardley used for info callWhen I was small I used to want all the good things at once and my mum used to tell me life wasn't like that.

She was right. So I savoured your relegation yesterday and will celebrate our promotion on either Monday or Saturday. I can wait.

Then it's onto the summer and your pitiful attempts to keep your horrible club alive before it finally sinks into the abyss.

You do realise this is all about right and wrong don't you? It's about good triumphing over evil and like in the films good despite set backs always comes through.




Skunts.
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: For sale one open top bus, hardley used for info callWhen I was small I used to want all the good things at once and my mum used to tell me life wasn't like that. She was right. So I savoured your relegation yesterday and will celebrate our promotion on either Monday or Saturday. I can wait. Then it's onto the summer and your pitiful attempts to keep your horrible club alive before it finally sinks into the abyss. You do realise this is all about right and wrong don't you? It's about good triumphing over evil and like in the films good despite set backs always comes through. Skunts. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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8:53am Sun 22 Apr 12

mayfly says...

randre wrote:
mayfly wrote: There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman? I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses. What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on. I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what? Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up. The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.
To be fair I thought saints played well in the two games you mentioned and of course the game away to peterborough, we played well and got the result. I don't think we have played poorly. Don't worry about the premiership as we are not there yet! Anyway, as many other teams supporters, including a reading fan, has said our passing football is better suited for the premier league. I agree, many teams are playing defensive against us now. Keep the faith.. Coyr
randre: It's the day after the game and I'm calming down slowly. Thanks for not beating me up over my views (many would be delighted to squash thoughts that don't fit with their own). My faith is restored! You are quite correct Saints weren't as bad as I claimed against Reading and Boro. I am so desperate for Saints to get back to the Prem and do it in style that anything less than a perfect perfomance throughout the season makes me very impatient. There are no bad teams in the Championship and anyone can beat anyone else on the day but I still feel that our midfield melts away too often and concedes too readily.
[quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mayfly[/bold] wrote: There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman? I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses. What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on. I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what? Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up. The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.[/p][/quote]To be fair I thought saints played well in the two games you mentioned and of course the game away to peterborough, we played well and got the result. I don't think we have played poorly. Don't worry about the premiership as we are not there yet! Anyway, as many other teams supporters, including a reading fan, has said our passing football is better suited for the premier league. I agree, many teams are playing defensive against us now. Keep the faith.. Coyr[/p][/quote]randre: It's the day after the game and I'm calming down slowly. Thanks for not beating me up over my views (many would be delighted to squash thoughts that don't fit with their own). My faith is restored! You are quite correct Saints weren't as bad as I claimed against Reading and Boro. I am so desperate for Saints to get back to the Prem and do it in style that anything less than a perfect perfomance throughout the season makes me very impatient. There are no bad teams in the Championship and anyone can beat anyone else on the day but I still feel that our midfield melts away too often and concedes too readily. mayfly
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8:58am Sun 22 Apr 12

Baddesley Bill says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
PTID1898 wrote:
For sale one open top bus, hardley used for info callWhen I was small I used to want all the good things at once and my mum used to tell me life wasn't like that.

She was right. So I savoured your relegation yesterday and will celebrate our promotion on either Monday or Saturday. I can wait.

Then it's onto the summer and your pitiful attempts to keep your horrible club alive before it finally sinks into the abyss.

You do realise this is all about right and wrong don't you? It's about good triumphing over evil and like in the films good despite set backs always comes through.




Skunts.Seed...I left my phone at yours yesterday...are you in this morning if I come round and pick it up? Cheers.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: For sale one open top bus, hardley used for info callWhen I was small I used to want all the good things at once and my mum used to tell me life wasn't like that. She was right. So I savoured your relegation yesterday and will celebrate our promotion on either Monday or Saturday. I can wait. Then it's onto the summer and your pitiful attempts to keep your horrible club alive before it finally sinks into the abyss. You do realise this is all about right and wrong don't you? It's about good triumphing over evil and like in the films good despite set backs always comes through. Skunts.[/p][/quote]Seed...I left my phone at yours yesterday...are you in this morning if I come round and pick it up? Cheers. Baddesley Bill
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9:07am Sun 22 Apr 12

Golden_Salamander says...

Saints were cheated yesterday.
.
The referee was there to make sure that Sky TV had a game to show next Saturday. They can now either show a Play-off game (cardiff or boro) or they can show a promotion game.
.
If he had sent off the boro player for 2 yellows then all the relegation/playoff/p
romotion decisions were over.
.
Also in the game there were 3 free kicks just outside the area, two for Saints and one for boro. For the Saints ones the wall was only about 7 or 8 yards away. The only free kick he made sure the wall was back the full distance was the boro one. Ask yourself why ?
Saints were cheated yesterday. . The referee was there to make sure that Sky TV had a game to show next Saturday. They can now either show a Play-off game (cardiff or boro) or they can show a promotion game. . If he had sent off the boro player for 2 yellows then all the relegation/playoff/p romotion decisions were over. . Also in the game there were 3 free kicks just outside the area, two for Saints and one for boro. For the Saints ones the wall was only about 7 or 8 yards away. The only free kick he made sure the wall was back the full distance was the boro one. Ask yourself why ? Golden_Salamander
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9:46am Sun 22 Apr 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
PTID1898 wrote:
For sale one open top bus, hardley used for info callWhen I was small I used to want all the good things at once and my mum used to tell me life wasn't like that.

She was right. So I savoured your relegation yesterday and will celebrate our promotion on either Monday or Saturday. I can wait.

Then it's onto the summer and your pitiful attempts to keep your horrible club alive before it finally sinks into the abyss.

You do realise this is all about right and wrong don't you? It's about good triumphing over evil and like in the films good despite set backs always comes through.




Skunts.Seed...I left my phone at yours yesterday...are you in this morning if I come round and pick it up? Cheers.Yep. Taking Seed the Small to the park to practice cricket. Ring me from your landline on my mobile. Sluggers got my number. Or ring your mobile.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: For sale one open top bus, hardley used for info callWhen I was small I used to want all the good things at once and my mum used to tell me life wasn't like that. She was right. So I savoured your relegation yesterday and will celebrate our promotion on either Monday or Saturday. I can wait. Then it's onto the summer and your pitiful attempts to keep your horrible club alive before it finally sinks into the abyss. You do realise this is all about right and wrong don't you? It's about good triumphing over evil and like in the films good despite set backs always comes through. Skunts.[/p][/quote]Seed...I left my phone at yours yesterday...are you in this morning if I come round and pick it up? Cheers.[/p][/quote]Yep. Taking Seed the Small to the park to practice cricket. Ring me from your landline on my mobile. Sluggers got my number. Or ring your mobile. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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9:49am Sun 22 Apr 12

Confucious says...

This Saturday, the rain - next Saturday, the rainbow.
This Saturday, the rain - next Saturday, the rainbow. Confucious
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9:52am Sun 22 Apr 12

Chipmonk1 says...

I'm just hoping Coventry game is not on TV downunder then i cant be a tempted to bring my bad luck by watching them. That said if (i mean when) we reach the promised land saints are sure to be screwed as nearly every game is televised. I'll have to cancel my subscription! Fear not West Ham will not beat Leicester!
I'm just hoping Coventry game is not on TV downunder then i cant be a tempted to bring my bad luck by watching them. That said if (i mean when) we reach the promised land saints are sure to be screwed as nearly every game is televised. I'll have to cancel my subscription! Fear not West Ham will not beat Leicester! Chipmonk1
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9:53am Sun 22 Apr 12

dickemery says...

PTID1898 wrote:
For sale one open top bus, hardley used for info call 02380 4-1 1-4 2-2 ,
Who the f@ck is laughing now!!!!PUP
your really sound like my name how many times do you have to repeat yourself l guess as a child you were neglected need to repeat yourself to get attention well as a reading fan you appear to have you own problems as soton will be joining us in the prem but pompey fans are good supporters so be kind to others
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: For sale one open top bus, hardley used for info call 02380 4-1 1-4 2-2 , Who the f@ck is laughing now!!!!PUP[/p][/quote]your really sound like my name how many times do you have to repeat yourself l guess as a child you were neglected need to repeat yourself to get attention well as a reading fan you appear to have you own problems as soton will be joining us in the prem but pompey fans are good supporters so be kind to others dickemery
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9:55am Sun 22 Apr 12

Des/Isle of Wight/SFC says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
Des/Isle of Wight/SFC wrote:
HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please? My email address is desknight08@aol.com and i will be eternally grateful if someone can help me. COYS
Des give me a phone number and i will ring you and try to help
Saintsayer II.............you can contact me on 01983 822634.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des/Isle of Wight/SFC[/bold] wrote: HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please? My email address is desknight08@aol.com and i will be eternally grateful if someone can help me. COYS[/p][/quote]Des give me a phone number and i will ring you and try to help[/p][/quote]Saintsayer II.............you can contact me on 01983 822634. Des/Isle of Wight/SFC
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9:55am Sun 22 Apr 12

Des/Isle of Wight/SFC says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
Des/Isle of Wight/SFC wrote:
HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please? My email address is desknight08@aol.com and i will be eternally grateful if someone can help me. COYS
Des give me a phone number and i will ring you and try to help
Saintsayer II.............you can contact me on 01983 822634.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des/Isle of Wight/SFC[/bold] wrote: HELP!! I hear that we have 500 tickets on sale to database customers tuesday morning. Having followed Saints through good times and bad since the late 70's, spending thousands of pounds travelling all over the country to watch my beloved Saints, watching the 2003 final in Cardiff in a pub by the stadium because i had no ticket, i found myself settling down five years ago and unable to afford to go anymore but i'm desperate to go next week so can anyone help me get a ticket please? My email address is desknight08@aol.com and i will be eternally grateful if someone can help me. COYS[/p][/quote]Des give me a phone number and i will ring you and try to help[/p][/quote]Saintsayer II.............you can contact me on 01983 822634. Des/Isle of Wight/SFC
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10:05am Sun 22 Apr 12

rob the saint in NZ says...

We're rubbish, sack Adkins, sell half the team, blah, blah, blah.

On the verge of two promotions in consecutive seasons - it's just not good enough.

Scored more goals than anyone else, best goal difference, in the top two all season, feted by the national media for our attractive play & well run club - it's just not good enough.

Poopee relegated, promotion party next Saturday - it's just not good enough.

I know better than Adkins, conspiracy theory, blah, blah, blah.

Terrible season, rubbish team, manager, coaches, chairman, blah, blah, blah.

I want more, I know best, why haven't we won the F.A. Cup, League Cup, Champions League?

Come on Saints, sort it out......
We're rubbish, sack Adkins, sell half the team, blah, blah, blah. On the verge of two promotions in consecutive seasons - it's just not good enough. Scored more goals than anyone else, best goal difference, in the top two all season, feted by the national media for our attractive play & well run club - it's just not good enough. Poopee relegated, promotion party next Saturday - it's just not good enough. I know better than Adkins, conspiracy theory, blah, blah, blah. Terrible season, rubbish team, manager, coaches, chairman, blah, blah, blah. I want more, I know best, why haven't we won the F.A. Cup, League Cup, Champions League? Come on Saints, sort it out...... rob the saint in NZ
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10:23am Sun 22 Apr 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

webby Op wrote:
well that was a waste of 90 mins of my life 3yrs and 1 week not able to c the boys win on the google box still think they will go up but this team will get s tuffed in prem need some players by the way what does guly do
"by the way what does guly do"

1. He came off the bench and had our two best efforts in that time. Lallana aside, in the time he was on the pitch, he was our biggest threat yesterday.
2. At Brum, he came off the bench and almost won it with a break on goal which was halted like Adam's was yesterday.
3. He won us the game at Coventry.
4. His intelligent run and touch at Reading laid on the goal for De Ridder.
5. He's been played out of position most of the season and got on with it.

Just what is people's problem with Guly? He does some good stuff, some average stuff and some crap stuff, just like all (and, yes, I mean ALL) the other players. Yet he keeps getting singled out before others.

SO ..... let's just blame him for EVERY defeat and not give him ANY praise for his part in our so far VERY successful season.

OR ......

Let's get behind EVERY player, be critical in equal measure when there's an important individual error (Fonte yesterday, for example) and try, through that, to be a little more balanced in our praise and criticism...... it's just a thought ffs!
[quote][p][bold]webby Op[/bold] wrote: well that was a waste of 90 mins of my life 3yrs and 1 week not able to c the boys win on the google box still think they will go up but this team will get s tuffed in prem need some players by the way what does guly do[/p][/quote]"by the way what does guly do" 1. He came off the bench and had our two best efforts in that time. Lallana aside, in the time he was on the pitch, he was our biggest threat yesterday. 2. At Brum, he came off the bench and almost won it with a break on goal which was halted like Adam's was yesterday. 3. He won us the game at Coventry. 4. His intelligent run and touch at Reading laid on the goal for De Ridder. 5. He's been played out of position most of the season and got on with it. Just what is people's problem with Guly? He does some good stuff, some average stuff and some crap stuff, just like all (and, yes, I mean ALL) the other players. Yet he keeps getting singled out before others. SO ..... let's just blame him for EVERY defeat and not give him ANY praise for his part in our so far VERY successful season. OR ...... Let's get behind EVERY player, be critical in equal measure when there's an important individual error (Fonte yesterday, for example) and try, through that, to be a little more balanced in our praise and criticism...... it's just a thought ffs! Strasbourg Saint
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10:26am Sun 22 Apr 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

I'm very happy with where we're at. It was nearly over three years ago yet in the first post apocalypse season we won the jpt in the second we got promoted from league 1 and this season we will get promoted to the Prem. It's truly spectacular.

We haven't spent big, no players over 2m and only Lambert, Fonte, Fox and Hooivelt over 1m. Many superb bargains like Chaplow and Cork and freebies like Tad Lee. We are not paying the transfer fees or wages of some of our competition like Leicester and West Ham.

Many teams have been competing at various stages of the season for auto yet only one team has held onto top two all season long. No one saw the Reading run coming and fair play to them, outstanding run.

Step back, take a breath and rejoice at where we are now and look to the future with joy and excitement.

Then look to the East and laugh and laugh and laugh until the tears run down your cheeks. That's what happens if you try and rush things, if you try and buy success - if you cheat. Football needs the skunts to be liquidized after constantly cheating by buying players they couldn't afford and paying wages they couldn't afford to give them an advantage over proper honest football clubs. Before you say it's not the fans fault yes it is, they demanded it, they called for more success for better players who cost more in terms of transfer fees and wages, fees and wages they simply couldn't afford. Don't fall into the same trap.
I'm very happy with where we're at. It was nearly over three years ago yet in the first post apocalypse season we won the jpt in the second we got promoted from league 1 and this season we will get promoted to the Prem. It's truly spectacular. We haven't spent big, no players over 2m and only Lambert, Fonte, Fox and Hooivelt over 1m. Many superb bargains like Chaplow and Cork and freebies like Tad Lee. We are not paying the transfer fees or wages of some of our competition like Leicester and West Ham. Many teams have been competing at various stages of the season for auto yet only one team has held onto top two all season long. No one saw the Reading run coming and fair play to them, outstanding run. Step back, take a breath and rejoice at where we are now and look to the future with joy and excitement. Then look to the East and laugh and laugh and laugh until the tears run down your cheeks. That's what happens if you try and rush things, if you try and buy success - if you cheat. Football needs the skunts to be liquidized after constantly cheating by buying players they couldn't afford and paying wages they couldn't afford to give them an advantage over proper honest football clubs. Before you say it's not the fans fault yes it is, they demanded it, they called for more success for better players who cost more in terms of transfer fees and wages, fees and wages they simply couldn't afford. Don't fall into the same trap. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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10:26am Sun 22 Apr 12

Red n White says...

Just like to say I have huge admiration for Nigel Pearson, and in return if he could take points off West Ham it would be much apreciated
Just like to say I have huge admiration for Nigel Pearson, and in return if he could take points off West Ham it would be much apreciated Red n White
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10:26am Sun 22 Apr 12

Velleity says...

City Saint wrote:
Velleity wrote:
redduke wrote:
Possibly the worst refereeing decision of the season, a straight red without a doubt, this stinks - it really stinks. Am I paranoid or is there a conspiracy to get the East End pub team up at our expense?
Having said that, we really didn't make many chances over the 90 mins. Let's just hope Leicester can hold the hoofers on Monday night, although if we can't bury Coventry............



!
Yes, you're paranoid. Grow up.
Hmmmmm. I sense an amateur ref in our midst. Or are you Mr Bates in disguise? It was a rubbish call. And by the way I've seen many more poor calls go againt us this year than for us.
YOu have got to be kidding with your post.

The OP said "Am I paranoid or is there a conspiracy to get the East End pub team up at our expense?"

I said "Yes, you're paranoid" and you deduce I'm a referee. It was a bad call, but it's not indicative of a conspiracy to get WHU promoted. Mistakes happen. You really do need to grow up and get a sense of perspective.

Remember Fonte (against Brighton) being fouled a good yard outside the box and our getting a penalty? I thought not. Good and bad decisions balance out.
[quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redduke[/bold] wrote: Possibly the worst refereeing decision of the season, a straight red without a doubt, this stinks - it really stinks. Am I paranoid or is there a conspiracy to get the East End pub team up at our expense? Having said that, we really didn't make many chances over the 90 mins. Let's just hope Leicester can hold the hoofers on Monday night, although if we can't bury Coventry............ ![/p][/quote]Yes, you're paranoid. Grow up.[/p][/quote]Hmmmmm. I sense an amateur ref in our midst. Or are you Mr Bates in disguise? It was a rubbish call. And by the way I've seen many more poor calls go againt us this year than for us.[/p][/quote]YOu have got to be kidding with your post. The OP said "Am I paranoid or is there a conspiracy to get the East End pub team up at our expense?" I said "Yes, you're paranoid" and you deduce I'm a referee. It was a bad call, but it's not indicative of a conspiracy to get WHU promoted. Mistakes happen. You really do need to grow up and get a sense of perspective. Remember Fonte (against Brighton) being fouled a good yard outside the box and our getting a penalty? I thought not. Good and bad decisions balance out. Velleity
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10:28am Sun 22 Apr 12

RedArmy1 says...

rob the saint in NZ wrote:
We're rubbish, sack Adkins, sell half the team, blah, blah, blah.

On the verge of two promotions in consecutive seasons - it's just not good enough.

Scored more goals than anyone else, best goal difference, in the top two all season, feted by the national media for our attractive play & well run club - it's just not good enough.

Poopee relegated, promotion party next Saturday - it's just not good enough.

I know better than Adkins, conspiracy theory, blah, blah, blah.

Terrible season, rubbish team, manager, coaches, chairman, blah, blah, blah.

I want more, I know best, why haven't we won the F.A. Cup, League Cup, Champions League?

Come on Saints, sort it out......
Rob .... LOL :O)

We all know that we're not rubbish and Nigel and the Team have done fantastically well !!!

The skunts are rubbish - that why they're league one and then down the football league they go after being liquidized !!

SAINTS FANS - GET UP OFF THE FLOOR AND GET READY TO FIGHT AND WIN !!

WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON !!!!

p.s f*ck the fancy dress for the final game - we are not promoted yet !!!! We are still in the FIGHT phase rather than celebration !!!

ALWAYS WEAR COLOURS - WHEN THE SHIRT GOES ON - IT MUST MEAN EVERYTHING !!!

RED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRMY.
[quote][p][bold]rob the saint in NZ[/bold] wrote: We're rubbish, sack Adkins, sell half the team, blah, blah, blah. On the verge of two promotions in consecutive seasons - it's just not good enough. Scored more goals than anyone else, best goal difference, in the top two all season, feted by the national media for our attractive play & well run club - it's just not good enough. Poopee relegated, promotion party next Saturday - it's just not good enough. I know better than Adkins, conspiracy theory, blah, blah, blah. Terrible season, rubbish team, manager, coaches, chairman, blah, blah, blah. I want more, I know best, why haven't we won the F.A. Cup, League Cup, Champions League? Come on Saints, sort it out......[/p][/quote]Rob .... LOL :O) We all know that we're not rubbish and Nigel and the Team have done fantastically well !!! The skunts are rubbish - that why they're league one and then down the football league they go after being liquidized !! SAINTS FANS - GET UP OFF THE FLOOR AND GET READY TO FIGHT AND WIN !! WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON !!!! p.s f*ck the fancy dress for the final game - we are not promoted yet !!!! We are still in the FIGHT phase rather than celebration !!! ALWAYS WEAR COLOURS - WHEN THE SHIRT GOES ON - IT MUST MEAN EVERYTHING !!! RED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRMY. RedArmy1
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10:36am Sun 22 Apr 12

Velleity says...

Top tip, go onto the WHU forum (google KUMB forum) or in fact any team in any division and look at their view on refereeing decisions. You'll find that EVERY team is the victim of bad refereeing rather than the beneficiary.

Don't you find that even a tiny bit odd?

I hasten to add, I'm not a referee. I do, however, understand statistics.
Top tip, go onto the WHU forum (google KUMB forum) or in fact any team in any division and look at their view on refereeing decisions. You'll find that EVERY team is the victim of bad refereeing rather than the beneficiary. Don't you find that even a tiny bit odd? I hasten to add, I'm not a referee. I do, however, understand statistics. Velleity
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10:40am Sun 22 Apr 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

Golden_Salamander wrote:
Saints were cheated yesterday.
.
The referee was there to make sure that Sky TV had a game to show next Saturday. They can now either show a Play-off game (cardiff or boro) or they can show a promotion game.
.
If he had sent off the boro player for 2 yellows then all the relegation/playoff/p

romotion decisions were over.
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Also in the game there were 3 free kicks just outside the area, two for Saints and one for boro. For the Saints ones the wall was only about 7 or 8 yards away. The only free kick he made sure the wall was back the full distance was the boro one. Ask yourself why ?
I must admit, I went to bed wondering something similar about Sky's ideal last Saturday.

One thing to correct you over, though, is that Boro DID have two edge of the box free kicks. A little earlier, Jos also stupidly fouled a player, giving away a free kick which Davies turned behind for a corner. The writing was on the wall.

I'd be keen to see the distance each wall was from the kick, because that also crossed my mind later. What amazes me is that we can't use technology for this too. On TV, we regularly see super-imposed 10-yard lines drawn on the pitch. Surely that can be used to inform refs if the wall is 10 yards away. In the meantime, when we get a free kick on the very edge of the box, I'm surprised Rickie doesn't either have the ball laid back to him or simply inch the deadball a little futher back whilst the ref is pacing 10 yards. That way, he'd have a greater distance between his strike and the wall.
[quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: Saints were cheated yesterday. . The referee was there to make sure that Sky TV had a game to show next Saturday. They can now either show a Play-off game (cardiff or boro) or they can show a promotion game. . If he had sent off the boro player for 2 yellows then all the relegation/playoff/p romotion decisions were over. . Also in the game there were 3 free kicks just outside the area, two for Saints and one for boro. For the Saints ones the wall was only about 7 or 8 yards away. The only free kick he made sure the wall was back the full distance was the boro one. Ask yourself why ?[/p][/quote]I must admit, I went to bed wondering something similar about Sky's ideal last Saturday. One thing to correct you over, though, is that Boro DID have two edge of the box free kicks. A little earlier, Jos also stupidly fouled a player, giving away a free kick which Davies turned behind for a corner. The writing was on the wall. I'd be keen to see the distance each wall was from the kick, because that also crossed my mind later. What amazes me is that we can't use technology for this too. On TV, we regularly see super-imposed 10-yard lines drawn on the pitch. Surely that can be used to inform refs if the wall is 10 yards away. In the meantime, when we get a free kick on the very edge of the box, I'm surprised Rickie doesn't either have the ball laid back to him or simply inch the deadball a little futher back whilst the ref is pacing 10 yards. That way, he'd have a greater distance between his strike and the wall. Strasbourg Saint
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10:43am Sun 22 Apr 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I'm very happy with where we're at. It was nearly over three years ago yet in the first post apocalypse season we won the jpt in the second we got promoted from league 1 and this season we will get promoted to the Prem. It's truly spectacular.

We haven't spent big, no players over 2m and only Lambert, Fonte, Fox and Hooivelt over 1m. Many superb bargains like Chaplow and Cork and freebies like Tad Lee. We are not paying the transfer fees or wages of some of our competition like Leicester and West Ham.

Many teams have been competing at various stages of the season for auto yet only one team has held onto top two all season long. No one saw the Reading run coming and fair play to them, outstanding run.

Step back, take a breath and rejoice at where we are now and look to the future with joy and excitement.

Then look to the East and laugh and laugh and laugh until the tears run down your cheeks. That's what happens if you try and rush things, if you try and buy success - if you cheat. Football needs the skunts to be liquidized after constantly cheating by buying players they couldn't afford and paying wages they couldn't afford to give them an advantage over proper honest football clubs. Before you say it's not the fans fault yes it is, they demanded it, they called for more success for better players who cost more in terms of transfer fees and wages, fees and wages they simply couldn't afford. Don't fall into the same trap.
Exactly, Seedhouse. But try telling the kids of today that and they WON'T believe you.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I'm very happy with where we're at. It was nearly over three years ago yet in the first post apocalypse season we won the jpt in the second we got promoted from league 1 and this season we will get promoted to the Prem. It's truly spectacular. We haven't spent big, no players over 2m and only Lambert, Fonte, Fox and Hooivelt over 1m. Many superb bargains like Chaplow and Cork and freebies like Tad Lee. We are not paying the transfer fees or wages of some of our competition like Leicester and West Ham. Many teams have been competing at various stages of the season for auto yet only one team has held onto top two all season long. No one saw the Reading run coming and fair play to them, outstanding run. Step back, take a breath and rejoice at where we are now and look to the future with joy and excitement. Then look to the East and laugh and laugh and laugh until the tears run down your cheeks. That's what happens if you try and rush things, if you try and buy success - if you cheat. Football needs the skunts to be liquidized after constantly cheating by buying players they couldn't afford and paying wages they couldn't afford to give them an advantage over proper honest football clubs. Before you say it's not the fans fault yes it is, they demanded it, they called for more success for better players who cost more in terms of transfer fees and wages, fees and wages they simply couldn't afford. Don't fall into the same trap.[/p][/quote]Exactly, Seedhouse. But try telling the kids of today that and they WON'T believe you. Strasbourg Saint
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10:45am Sun 22 Apr 12

Velleity says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote:
The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine.

It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.
Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.
Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them)

If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten.
Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty".

Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not.

By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided.

Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine. It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.[/p][/quote]Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.[/p][/quote]Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them) If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten. Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty". Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not. By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided. Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some. Velleity
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10:49am Sun 22 Apr 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

Confucious wrote:
This Saturday, the rain - next Saturday, the rainbow.
I want to see the sun shine after the rain.
I want to see bluebirds flying over the mountains again.
Oh, where is the silver lining shining at the rainbow's end?

Monday - the rainbow.
Saturday - the sun.
May and June - the suntan.
July - the sunburn.
August - The Premiership.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: This Saturday, the rain - next Saturday, the rainbow.[/p][/quote]I want to see the sun shine after the rain. I want to see bluebirds flying over the mountains again. Oh, where is the silver lining shining at the rainbow's end? Monday - the rainbow. Saturday - the sun. May and June - the suntan. July - the sunburn. August - The Premiership. Strasbourg Saint
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10:56am Sun 22 Apr 12

RedArmy1 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I'm very happy with where we're at. It was nearly over three years ago yet in the first post apocalypse season we won the jpt in the second we got promoted from league 1 and this season we will get promoted to the Prem. It's truly spectacular.

We haven't spent big, no players over 2m and only Lambert, Fonte, Fox and Hooivelt over 1m. Many superb bargains like Chaplow and Cork and freebies like Tad Lee. We are not paying the transfer fees or wages of some of our competition like Leicester and West Ham.

Many teams have been competing at various stages of the season for auto yet only one team has held onto top two all season long. No one saw the Reading run coming and fair play to them, outstanding run.

Step back, take a breath and rejoice at where we are now and look to the future with joy and excitement.

Then look to the East and laugh and laugh and laugh until the tears run down your cheeks. That's what happens if you try and rush things, if you try and buy success - if you cheat. Football needs the skunts to be liquidized after constantly cheating by buying players they couldn't afford and paying wages they couldn't afford to give them an advantage over proper honest football clubs. Before you say it's not the fans fault yes it is, they demanded it, they called for more success for better players who cost more in terms of transfer fees and wages, fees and wages they simply couldn't afford. Don't fall into the same trap.
Exactly, Seedhouse. But try telling the kids of today that and they WON'T believe you.
Spot on Seed !!!

We ALL know that there are key areas of the Squad that need improving so that we don't get smashed week after week in the Premiership ....

That said .. keeping the finances right is absolutely crucial so as we go forward - your input will be valuable in the weeks and months ahead !!

RED AND WHITE.

WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I'm very happy with where we're at. It was nearly over three years ago yet in the first post apocalypse season we won the jpt in the second we got promoted from league 1 and this season we will get promoted to the Prem. It's truly spectacular. We haven't spent big, no players over 2m and only Lambert, Fonte, Fox and Hooivelt over 1m. Many superb bargains like Chaplow and Cork and freebies like Tad Lee. We are not paying the transfer fees or wages of some of our competition like Leicester and West Ham. Many teams have been competing at various stages of the season for auto yet only one team has held onto top two all season long. No one saw the Reading run coming and fair play to them, outstanding run. Step back, take a breath and rejoice at where we are now and look to the future with joy and excitement. Then look to the East and laugh and laugh and laugh until the tears run down your cheeks. That's what happens if you try and rush things, if you try and buy success - if you cheat. Football needs the skunts to be liquidized after constantly cheating by buying players they couldn't afford and paying wages they couldn't afford to give them an advantage over proper honest football clubs. Before you say it's not the fans fault yes it is, they demanded it, they called for more success for better players who cost more in terms of transfer fees and wages, fees and wages they simply couldn't afford. Don't fall into the same trap.[/p][/quote]Exactly, Seedhouse. But try telling the kids of today that and they WON'T believe you.[/p][/quote]Spot on Seed !!! We ALL know that there are key areas of the Squad that need improving so that we don't get smashed week after week in the Premiership .... That said .. keeping the finances right is absolutely crucial so as we go forward - your input will be valuable in the weeks and months ahead !! RED AND WHITE. WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON. RedArmy1
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10:58am Sun 22 Apr 12

WobblyCat says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
saintpope wrote:
felt the Saints players harassing the ref after the foul did not help. They peed Mr Bates off and I think asking for the sending off made him not give anything. We had chances today but just did not have the finishing touch. Shots on target were like chocolate fire guards. Guly came on today and did some good link up play, better attitude from him. Boro kept AL and RL out of the game today and losing Chaplow was tough as he was making some great surging runs into RH of their box. We need Martin next to Hoov as Fonte has lost pace and has to hang on to strikers to keep them close. He needs long hair back to make him more streamlined as he has box head now!! COYR
Superb analysis although I think Martin might be a gamble against Coventry.
Dont agree about the ref, they should give what they see, simple as that! It was the easiest card desicion this season, what was he thinking.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintpope[/bold] wrote: felt the Saints players harassing the ref after the foul did not help. They peed Mr Bates off and I think asking for the sending off made him not give anything. We had chances today but just did not have the finishing touch. Shots on target were like chocolate fire guards. Guly came on today and did some good link up play, better attitude from him. Boro kept AL and RL out of the game today and losing Chaplow was tough as he was making some great surging runs into RH of their box. We need Martin next to Hoov as Fonte has lost pace and has to hang on to strikers to keep them close. He needs long hair back to make him more streamlined as he has box head now!! COYR[/p][/quote]Superb analysis although I think Martin might be a gamble against Coventry.[/p][/quote]Dont agree about the ref, they should give what they see, simple as that! It was the easiest card desicion this season, what was he thinking. WobblyCat
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11:02am Sun 22 Apr 12

WobblyCat says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I'm very happy with where we're at. It was nearly over three years ago yet in the first post apocalypse season we won the jpt in the second we got promoted from league 1 and this season we will get promoted to the Prem. It's truly spectacular.

We haven't spent big, no players over 2m and only Lambert, Fonte, Fox and Hooivelt over 1m. Many superb bargains like Chaplow and Cork and freebies like Tad Lee. We are not paying the transfer fees or wages of some of our competition like Leicester and West Ham.

Many teams have been competing at various stages of the season for auto yet only one team has held onto top two all season long. No one saw the Reading run coming and fair play to them, outstanding run.

Step back, take a breath and rejoice at where we are now and look to the future with joy and excitement.

Then look to the East and laugh and laugh and laugh until the tears run down your cheeks. That's what happens if you try and rush things, if you try and buy success - if you cheat. Football needs the skunts to be liquidized after constantly cheating by buying players they couldn't afford and paying wages they couldn't afford to give them an advantage over proper honest football clubs. Before you say it's not the fans fault yes it is, they demanded it, they called for more success for better players who cost more in terms of transfer fees and wages, fees and wages they simply couldn't afford. Don't fall into the same trap.
yes
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I'm very happy with where we're at. It was nearly over three years ago yet in the first post apocalypse season we won the jpt in the second we got promoted from league 1 and this season we will get promoted to the Prem. It's truly spectacular. We haven't spent big, no players over 2m and only Lambert, Fonte, Fox and Hooivelt over 1m. Many superb bargains like Chaplow and Cork and freebies like Tad Lee. We are not paying the transfer fees or wages of some of our competition like Leicester and West Ham. Many teams have been competing at various stages of the season for auto yet only one team has held onto top two all season long. No one saw the Reading run coming and fair play to them, outstanding run. Step back, take a breath and rejoice at where we are now and look to the future with joy and excitement. Then look to the East and laugh and laugh and laugh until the tears run down your cheeks. That's what happens if you try and rush things, if you try and buy success - if you cheat. Football needs the skunts to be liquidized after constantly cheating by buying players they couldn't afford and paying wages they couldn't afford to give them an advantage over proper honest football clubs. Before you say it's not the fans fault yes it is, they demanded it, they called for more success for better players who cost more in terms of transfer fees and wages, fees and wages they simply couldn't afford. Don't fall into the same trap.[/p][/quote]yes WobblyCat
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11:04am Sun 22 Apr 12

ButtyIoWSaint says...

FFS, you don't think they will show our game on Sky next week do you?
Think we should get there early and Block there route to St Mary's ;)
Getting over the disappointment now.
Its not so much that we didn't win promotion yesterday, or that we still had the chance to become Champions, (I put a £60 double, way back in sept on Saints and Manure to be champs.)
But its the fact that we all know Saints can play so much better than we have done, when given the chance to show how good we are, and why we are in the position we have been, throughout the season.

With a little luck Leicester might get a point at least from the Hammers on Monday, to take the pressure off the lads going into the last game.
Cant wait for Saturday

COYR'S
FFS, you don't think they will show our game on Sky next week do you? Think we should get there early and Block there route to St Mary's ;) Getting over the disappointment now. Its not so much that we didn't win promotion yesterday, or that we still had the chance to become Champions, (I put a £60 double, way back in sept on Saints and Manure to be champs.) But its the fact that we all know Saints can play so much better than we have done, when given the chance to show how good we are, and why we are in the position we have been, throughout the season. With a little luck Leicester might get a point at least from the Hammers on Monday, to take the pressure off the lads going into the last game. Cant wait for Saturday COYR'S ButtyIoWSaint
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11:05am Sun 22 Apr 12

WobblyCat says...

PTID1898 wrote:
For sale one open top bus, hardley used for info call 02380 4-1 1-4 2-2 ,
Who the f@ck is laughing now!!!!PUP
Your club has been relegated and faces liduidation, you're on here somehow thinking you have the high ground! You are just not a football fan, you have no idea what it's about.
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: For sale one open top bus, hardley used for info call 02380 4-1 1-4 2-2 , Who the f@ck is laughing now!!!!PUP[/p][/quote]Your club has been relegated and faces liduidation, you're on here somehow thinking you have the high ground! You are just not a football fan, you have no idea what it's about. WobblyCat
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11:27am Sun 22 Apr 12

Baddesley Bill says...

WobblyCat wrote:
PTID1898 wrote:
For sale one open top bus, hardley used for info call 02380 4-1 1-4 2-2 ,
Who the f@ck is laughing now!!!!PUP
Your club has been relegated and faces liduidation, you're on here somehow thinking you have the high ground! You are just not a football fan, you have no idea what it's about.
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=o5g66FK_i
eQ
[quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: For sale one open top bus, hardley used for info call 02380 4-1 1-4 2-2 , Who the f@ck is laughing now!!!!PUP[/p][/quote]Your club has been relegated and faces liduidation, you're on here somehow thinking you have the high ground! You are just not a football fan, you have no idea what it's about.[/p][/quote]http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=o5g66FK_i eQ Baddesley Bill
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11:31am Sun 22 Apr 12

billythesaint says...

Yes it was a poor decision from the ref but if we need the opposition to have 10 men to beat them there is something wrong. Anyone else losing patience with Fonte? He just doesn't seem Premier league class at the moment when we really need it. I've lost count how many times a defender has got between him and our keeper and various other mistakes.
Yes it was a poor decision from the ref but if we need the opposition to have 10 men to beat them there is something wrong. Anyone else losing patience with Fonte? He just doesn't seem Premier league class at the moment when we really need it. I've lost count how many times a defender has got between him and our keeper and various other mistakes. billythesaint
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11:41am Sun 22 Apr 12

Saint_rob says...

Just watched the Coventry v doncaster game, very similar tackle from behind and it was a straight red! Should have been yellow minimum. Come Monday we could be up?!
Just watched the Coventry v doncaster game, very similar tackle from behind and it was a straight red! Should have been yellow minimum. Come Monday we could be up?! Saint_rob
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11:45am Sun 22 Apr 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

WobblyCat wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
saintpope wrote:
felt the Saints players harassing the ref after the foul did not help. They peed Mr Bates off and I think asking for the sending off made him not give anything. We had chances today but just did not have the finishing touch. Shots on target were like chocolate fire guards. Guly came on today and did some good link up play, better attitude from him. Boro kept AL and RL out of the game today and losing Chaplow was tough as he was making some great surging runs into RH of their box. We need Martin next to Hoov as Fonte has lost pace and has to hang on to strikers to keep them close. He needs long hair back to make him more streamlined as he has box head now!! COYR
Superb analysis although I think Martin might be a gamble against Coventry.
Dont agree about the ref, they should give what they see, simple as that! It was the easiest card desicion this season, what was he thinking.
I do think it influenced him. I watched it with Bill and said so at the time, the twisted contorted face of the ref when Lambert had a right go at him said it all. Sometimes the delay caused by surrounding the ref leads to a rethink and what would have been a card otherwise now doesn't happen. Not saying that's right or fair just saying it's how it is.
[quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintpope[/bold] wrote: felt the Saints players harassing the ref after the foul did not help. They peed Mr Bates off and I think asking for the sending off made him not give anything. We had chances today but just did not have the finishing touch. Shots on target were like chocolate fire guards. Guly came on today and did some good link up play, better attitude from him. Boro kept AL and RL out of the game today and losing Chaplow was tough as he was making some great surging runs into RH of their box. We need Martin next to Hoov as Fonte has lost pace and has to hang on to strikers to keep them close. He needs long hair back to make him more streamlined as he has box head now!! COYR[/p][/quote]Superb analysis although I think Martin might be a gamble against Coventry.[/p][/quote]Dont agree about the ref, they should give what they see, simple as that! It was the easiest card desicion this season, what was he thinking.[/p][/quote]I do think it influenced him. I watched it with Bill and said so at the time, the twisted contorted face of the ref when Lambert had a right go at him said it all. Sometimes the delay caused by surrounding the ref leads to a rethink and what would have been a card otherwise now doesn't happen. Not saying that's right or fair just saying it's how it is. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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11:46am Sun 22 Apr 12

saintshorse101 says...

So now the debate over goal line tech seems to have been "won" everyone is starting to call for more and more! refs getting calls from the 4th official whos watching on a tv, now getting the wall back the ten yards, they even mentioned by-line tech on tv after the ball was given out but shown to be not when rickie went through! I have said many times as soon as you allow goal line tech it wont stop we will get more and more and tv will rule the game! fouls, cards, offsides etc all given by a man sat in a room detached from the game. YES bad calls were made by the ref yesterday but as nige said you deal with it and move on. even the americans realised that replays was ruining american football and have drastically cut down the amount they allow. as for keeping the wall back, give the ref a can of chalk spray, he can pace ten yards spray a line then if anyone crosses it book them, the spray would then disappear quickly leaving no trace (just like poopey).
So now the debate over goal line tech seems to have been "won" everyone is starting to call for more and more! refs getting calls from the 4th official whos watching on a tv, now getting the wall back the ten yards, they even mentioned by-line tech on tv after the ball was given out but shown to be not when rickie went through! I have said many times as soon as you allow goal line tech it wont stop we will get more and more and tv will rule the game! fouls, cards, offsides etc all given by a man sat in a room detached from the game. YES bad calls were made by the ref yesterday but as nige said you deal with it and move on. even the americans realised that replays was ruining american football and have drastically cut down the amount they allow. as for keeping the wall back, give the ref a can of chalk spray, he can pace ten yards spray a line then if anyone crosses it book them, the spray would then disappear quickly leaving no trace (just like poopey). saintshorse101
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12:10pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Confucious says...

Thankfully not much sign of Victor Meldrews on here today - and the skunt input is now obviously at the last gasp stage.

And Seed is right - we are in a very good place. All that's needed to see that is a modicum of imagination about what could have become of our club - or indeed a look East at the Great Bonfire of the Vanities that is now taking place.

Yesterday's defeat, disappointing though it was, especially for those fantastic travelling fans, clears the way for next Saturday's celebration. There will be a full 32,000 house at St Marys to see us win our place back in the Prem - and perhaps that's the best way to do it.

Perhaps, while it's entirely understandable, those who would be inclined to complain today are being rather too greedy.

I'm reminded of the bloke who got three wishes from a genie. The first was a mansion and the second was a Ferrari. Pow - he got them both! His third wish was to be irresistible to women. Pow! - he was turned into a box of chocolates.

No - where we are today is plenty sweet enough for me.
Thankfully not much sign of Victor Meldrews on here today - and the skunt input is now obviously at the last gasp stage. And Seed is right - we are in a very good place. All that's needed to see that is a modicum of imagination about what could have become of our club - or indeed a look East at the Great Bonfire of the Vanities that is now taking place. Yesterday's defeat, disappointing though it was, especially for those fantastic travelling fans, clears the way for next Saturday's celebration. There will be a full 32,000 house at St Marys to see us win our place back in the Prem - and perhaps that's the best way to do it. Perhaps, while it's entirely understandable, those who would be inclined to complain today are being rather too greedy. I'm reminded of the bloke who got three wishes from a genie. The first was a mansion and the second was a Ferrari. Pow - he got them both! His third wish was to be irresistible to women. Pow! - he was turned into a box of chocolates. No - where we are today is plenty sweet enough for me. Confucious
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12:10pm Sun 22 Apr 12

circa 66 saint says...

goal line technology good or bad . now calls for 4th official to monitor game with tv evidence THE FUTURE
WELCOME TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE SPONSORED BY PLAYSTATION
the game is played by humans refereed by humans and that includes all the imperfections that the game has had since it's inception
the problem is the amount of cash involved the GAME is being railroded and is losing touch with it's original audiance
goal line technology good or bad . now calls for 4th official to monitor game with tv evidence THE FUTURE WELCOME TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE SPONSORED BY PLAYSTATION the game is played by humans refereed by humans and that includes all the imperfections that the game has had since it's inception the problem is the amount of cash involved the GAME is being railroded and is losing touch with it's original audiance circa 66 saint
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12:12pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Little Hitler says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I'm very happy with where we're at. It was nearly over three years ago yet in the first post apocalypse season we won the jpt in the second we got promoted from league 1 and this season we will get promoted to the Prem. It's truly spectacular.

We haven't spent big, no players over 2m and only Lambert, Fonte, Fox and Hooivelt over 1m. Many superb bargains like Chaplow and Cork and freebies like Tad Lee. We are not paying the transfer fees or wages of some of our competition like Leicester and West Ham.

Many teams have been competing at various stages of the season for auto yet only one team has held onto top two all season long. No one saw the Reading run coming and fair play to them, outstanding run.

Step back, take a breath and rejoice at where we are now and look to the future with joy and excitement.

Then look to the East and laugh and laugh and laugh until the tears run down your cheeks. That's what happens if you try and rush things, if you try and buy success - if you cheat. Football needs the skunts to be liquidized after constantly cheating by buying players they couldn't afford and paying wages they couldn't afford to give them an advantage over proper honest football clubs. Before you say it's not the fans fault yes it is, they demanded it, they called for more success for better players who cost more in terms of transfer fees and wages, fees and wages they simply couldn't afford. Don't fall into the same trap.
I hope I'm sat/stood next to you on Saturday rather than some of the miserably bastards that frequent this place.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I'm very happy with where we're at. It was nearly over three years ago yet in the first post apocalypse season we won the jpt in the second we got promoted from league 1 and this season we will get promoted to the Prem. It's truly spectacular. We haven't spent big, no players over 2m and only Lambert, Fonte, Fox and Hooivelt over 1m. Many superb bargains like Chaplow and Cork and freebies like Tad Lee. We are not paying the transfer fees or wages of some of our competition like Leicester and West Ham. Many teams have been competing at various stages of the season for auto yet only one team has held onto top two all season long. No one saw the Reading run coming and fair play to them, outstanding run. Step back, take a breath and rejoice at where we are now and look to the future with joy and excitement. Then look to the East and laugh and laugh and laugh until the tears run down your cheeks. That's what happens if you try and rush things, if you try and buy success - if you cheat. Football needs the skunts to be liquidized after constantly cheating by buying players they couldn't afford and paying wages they couldn't afford to give them an advantage over proper honest football clubs. Before you say it's not the fans fault yes it is, they demanded it, they called for more success for better players who cost more in terms of transfer fees and wages, fees and wages they simply couldn't afford. Don't fall into the same trap.[/p][/quote]I hope I'm sat/stood next to you on Saturday rather than some of the miserably bastards that frequent this place. Little Hitler
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12:24pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Harby says...

Yes, we have had a great season but the better Saints play the more demanding we understandably become. Pompey,(home) Reading,(home) & Middlesbrough (away), as it turned out were the 3 most important games of the season so far for obvious reasons. It seems when the heat is really on something is lacking in the team and they have failed to step up to the plate on these days. This is my club since I was a boy and Curtis, Webber & Stroud turned up at school to coach us, we thought they were gods. So please don't think I am a fair weather supporter. I shall be there Saturday desperate for them to win. I find I am too worked up to listen to radio commentaries! I can only take the result if I am actually there. I think they will do it but they have certainly put us through the wringer getting there.
Yes, we have had a great season but the better Saints play the more demanding we understandably become. Pompey,(home) Reading,(home) & Middlesbrough (away), as it turned out were the 3 most important games of the season so far for obvious reasons. It seems when the heat is really on something is lacking in the team and they have failed to step up to the plate on these days. This is my club since I was a boy and Curtis, Webber & Stroud turned up at school to coach us, we thought they were gods. So please don't think I am a fair weather supporter. I shall be there Saturday desperate for them to win. I find I am too worked up to listen to radio commentaries! I can only take the result if I am actually there. I think they will do it but they have certainly put us through the wringer getting there. Harby
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12:32pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

circa 66 saint wrote:
goal line technology good or bad . now calls for 4th official to monitor game with tv evidence THE FUTURE
WELCOME TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE SPONSORED BY PLAYSTATION
the game is played by humans refereed by humans and that includes all the imperfections that the game has had since it's inception
the problem is the amount of cash involved the GAME is being railroded and is losing touch with it's original audiance
True to an extent. But there are some ways that technology can be used for the benefit of (and without inturruption to) the game.
1. A goal line camera to see if a ball has crossed the line for a goal, corner or goalkick. Thus, if a decision is subsequently awarded when, in fact, the ball had already crossed the line, the game is easily taken back to the point at which play should have been stopped.
2. To correct a clear refereeing error in a case where a ref has or hasn't awarded something. So, a player dives, the ref awards a pen instead of an indirect free kick to the defence. Immediately after a review (30 seconds?), the decision is reversed and a yellow is awarded to the diver. Or, a dangerous tackle goes unpunished. The game continues. The ref is informed and the player is subsequently punished. If an advantage was gained by the offending team, the game is taken back to that point.

One important caviat, a video ref NEVER alters a decision if in ANY doubt within an immediate slow motion TV review of each camera angle.

Likewise, post-match reviews to highlight cheats or reconsider cards given or not (as is partially the case at the moment) should become standard practice as in, say, Aussie rules where (I think it's still the case) reviews are very common. If a cheat's team gains something from a game as a direct result of the cheat's actions, that player will be banned for the number of games corresponding to the advantage gained .... one match per goal and/or point gained. Thus, a penalty gained by diving could incur a four-match ban (one for the goal, three for a win). That might stop diving in the real world. As for Playstation, from the little I've seen, it's set up to include a certain amount of refereeing errors, no? Some off-sides and red cards look like they've come from a very human world.
[quote][p][bold]circa 66 saint[/bold] wrote: goal line technology good or bad . now calls for 4th official to monitor game with tv evidence THE FUTURE WELCOME TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE SPONSORED BY PLAYSTATION the game is played by humans refereed by humans and that includes all the imperfections that the game has had since it's inception the problem is the amount of cash involved the GAME is being railroded and is losing touch with it's original audiance[/p][/quote]True to an extent. But there are some ways that technology can be used for the benefit of (and without inturruption to) the game. 1. A goal line camera to see if a ball has crossed the line for a goal, corner or goalkick. Thus, if a decision is subsequently awarded when, in fact, the ball had already crossed the line, the game is easily taken back to the point at which play should have been stopped. 2. To correct a clear refereeing error in a case where a ref has or hasn't awarded something. So, a player dives, the ref awards a pen instead of an indirect free kick to the defence. Immediately after a review (30 seconds?), the decision is reversed and a yellow is awarded to the diver. Or, a dangerous tackle goes unpunished. The game continues. The ref is informed and the player is subsequently punished. If an advantage was gained by the offending team, the game is taken back to that point. One important caviat, a video ref NEVER alters a decision if in ANY doubt within an immediate slow motion TV review of each camera angle. Likewise, post-match reviews to highlight cheats or reconsider cards given or not (as is partially the case at the moment) should become standard practice as in, say, Aussie rules where (I think it's still the case) reviews are very common. If a cheat's team gains something from a game as a direct result of the cheat's actions, that player will be banned for the number of games corresponding to the advantage gained .... one match per goal and/or point gained. Thus, a penalty gained by diving could incur a four-match ban (one for the goal, three for a win). That might stop diving in the real world. As for Playstation, from the little I've seen, it's set up to include a certain amount of refereeing errors, no? Some off-sides and red cards look like they've come from a very human world. Strasbourg Saint
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12:37pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Gary Clark says...

While every Saints fan has different opinions on everything concerned with the club, the fact of the matter is Saints have had an outstanding season and are on the brink of successive promotions and on the verge of return to the Premier League? Yes I know which players I would get rid of and who I'd select but I'm not the manager am I! So lets celebrate and thank each and every player weather we like them or not, for there contributions in the last 3 years and respect them as they have given our club a great chance of promotion to the Promise Land, Our destiny remains firmly in our hands regardless of West Hams result tomorrow. St Mary's will be rocking and great atmosphere next sat so lets roar the team home and get them over the finish line and celebrate after. COYR COYR
While every Saints fan has different opinions on everything concerned with the club, the fact of the matter is Saints have had an outstanding season and are on the brink of successive promotions and on the verge of return to the Premier League? Yes I know which players I would get rid of and who I'd select but I'm not the manager am I! So lets celebrate and thank each and every player weather we like them or not, for there contributions in the last 3 years and respect them as they have given our club a great chance of promotion to the Promise Land, Our destiny remains firmly in our hands regardless of West Hams result tomorrow. St Mary's will be rocking and great atmosphere next sat so lets roar the team home and get them over the finish line and celebrate after. COYR COYR Gary Clark
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12:47pm Sun 22 Apr 12

circa 66 saint says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
circa 66 saint wrote:
goal line technology good or bad . now calls for 4th official to monitor game with tv evidence THE FUTURE
WELCOME TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE SPONSORED BY PLAYSTATION
the game is played by humans refereed by humans and that includes all the imperfections that the game has had since it's inception
the problem is the amount of cash involved the GAME is being railroded and is losing touch with it's original audiance
True to an extent. But there are some ways that technology can be used for the benefit of (and without inturruption to) the game.
1. A goal line camera to see if a ball has crossed the line for a goal, corner or goalkick. Thus, if a decision is subsequently awarded when, in fact, the ball had already crossed the line, the game is easily taken back to the point at which play should have been stopped.
2. To correct a clear refereeing error in a case where a ref has or hasn't awarded something. So, a player dives, the ref awards a pen instead of an indirect free kick to the defence. Immediately after a review (30 seconds?), the decision is reversed and a yellow is awarded to the diver. Or, a dangerous tackle goes unpunished. The game continues. The ref is informed and the player is subsequently punished. If an advantage was gained by the offending team, the game is taken back to that point.

One important caviat, a video ref NEVER alters a decision if in ANY doubt within an immediate slow motion TV review of each camera angle.

Likewise, post-match reviews to highlight cheats or reconsider cards given or not (as is partially the case at the moment) should become standard practice as in, say, Aussie rules where (I think it's still the case) reviews are very common. If a cheat's team gains something from a game as a direct result of the cheat's actions, that player will be banned for the number of games corresponding to the advantage gained .... one match per goal and/or point gained. Thus, a penalty gained by diving could incur a four-match ban (one for the goal, three for a win). That might stop diving in the real world. As for Playstation, from the little I've seen, it's set up to include a certain amount of refereeing errors, no? Some off-sides and red cards look like they've come from a very human world.
i don't think that there is a right answer to this problem. but my point is where does it stop does the future mean the ref and linesmen will become redundant should players/teams be punished after the match, damm right why should cheats prosper and if the evidence shows cheating then dish out the fines and or bans this might go some way to reducing the bad bits in the modern game
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]circa 66 saint[/bold] wrote: goal line technology good or bad . now calls for 4th official to monitor game with tv evidence THE FUTURE WELCOME TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE SPONSORED BY PLAYSTATION the game is played by humans refereed by humans and that includes all the imperfections that the game has had since it's inception the problem is the amount of cash involved the GAME is being railroded and is losing touch with it's original audiance[/p][/quote]True to an extent. But there are some ways that technology can be used for the benefit of (and without inturruption to) the game. 1. A goal line camera to see if a ball has crossed the line for a goal, corner or goalkick. Thus, if a decision is subsequently awarded when, in fact, the ball had already crossed the line, the game is easily taken back to the point at which play should have been stopped. 2. To correct a clear refereeing error in a case where a ref has or hasn't awarded something. So, a player dives, the ref awards a pen instead of an indirect free kick to the defence. Immediately after a review (30 seconds?), the decision is reversed and a yellow is awarded to the diver. Or, a dangerous tackle goes unpunished. The game continues. The ref is informed and the player is subsequently punished. If an advantage was gained by the offending team, the game is taken back to that point. One important caviat, a video ref NEVER alters a decision if in ANY doubt within an immediate slow motion TV review of each camera angle. Likewise, post-match reviews to highlight cheats or reconsider cards given or not (as is partially the case at the moment) should become standard practice as in, say, Aussie rules where (I think it's still the case) reviews are very common. If a cheat's team gains something from a game as a direct result of the cheat's actions, that player will be banned for the number of games corresponding to the advantage gained .... one match per goal and/or point gained. Thus, a penalty gained by diving could incur a four-match ban (one for the goal, three for a win). That might stop diving in the real world. As for Playstation, from the little I've seen, it's set up to include a certain amount of refereeing errors, no? Some off-sides and red cards look like they've come from a very human world.[/p][/quote]i don't think that there is a right answer to this problem. but my point is where does it stop does the future mean the ref and linesmen will become redundant should players/teams be punished after the match, damm right why should cheats prosper and if the evidence shows cheating then dish out the fines and or bans this might go some way to reducing the bad bits in the modern game circa 66 saint
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12:52pm Sun 22 Apr 12

puppy saint says...

The referee was a ****. Infact, he was the ****s **** yesterday.

In other news.....a Man. Utd player entered the Everton penalty area and didn't fall over.
My faith in humanity is restored.
The referee was a ****. Infact, he was the ****s **** yesterday. In other news.....a Man. Utd player entered the Everton penalty area and didn't fall over. My faith in humanity is restored. puppy saint
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12:54pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

circa 66 saint wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
circa 66 saint wrote:
goal line technology good or bad . now calls for 4th official to monitor game with tv evidence THE FUTURE
WELCOME TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE SPONSORED BY PLAYSTATION
the game is played by humans refereed by humans and that includes all the imperfections that the game has had since it's inception
the problem is the amount of cash involved the GAME is being railroded and is losing touch with it's original audiance
True to an extent. But there are some ways that technology can be used for the benefit of (and without inturruption to) the game.
1. A goal line camera to see if a ball has crossed the line for a goal, corner or goalkick. Thus, if a decision is subsequently awarded when, in fact, the ball had already crossed the line, the game is easily taken back to the point at which play should have been stopped.
2. To correct a clear refereeing error in a case where a ref has or hasn't awarded something. So, a player dives, the ref awards a pen instead of an indirect free kick to the defence. Immediately after a review (30 seconds?), the decision is reversed and a yellow is awarded to the diver. Or, a dangerous tackle goes unpunished. The game continues. The ref is informed and the player is subsequently punished. If an advantage was gained by the offending team, the game is taken back to that point.

One important caviat, a video ref NEVER alters a decision if in ANY doubt within an immediate slow motion TV review of each camera angle.

Likewise, post-match reviews to highlight cheats or reconsider cards given or not (as is partially the case at the moment) should become standard practice as in, say, Aussie rules where (I think it's still the case) reviews are very common. If a cheat's team gains something from a game as a direct result of the cheat's actions, that player will be banned for the number of games corresponding to the advantage gained .... one match per goal and/or point gained. Thus, a penalty gained by diving could incur a four-match ban (one for the goal, three for a win). That might stop diving in the real world. As for Playstation, from the little I've seen, it's set up to include a certain amount of refereeing errors, no? Some off-sides and red cards look like they've come from a very human world.
i don't think that there is a right answer to this problem. but my point is where does it stop does the future mean the ref and linesmen will become redundant should players/teams be punished after the match, damm right why should cheats prosper and if the evidence shows cheating then dish out the fines and or bans this might go some way to reducing the bad bits in the modern game
Yep! Agreed. More than anything else, let's use technology to punish cheats and violent play.

One other point, I actually think FIFA like the controvosy caused by errors. The publicity it generates is, in their eyes, 'great' for the game.

Take the goal against Germany in the last World Cup (or 'the hand of God' goal). Look at how much interest it generated beyond the football world.
[quote][p][bold]circa 66 saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]circa 66 saint[/bold] wrote: goal line technology good or bad . now calls for 4th official to monitor game with tv evidence THE FUTURE WELCOME TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE SPONSORED BY PLAYSTATION the game is played by humans refereed by humans and that includes all the imperfections that the game has had since it's inception the problem is the amount of cash involved the GAME is being railroded and is losing touch with it's original audiance[/p][/quote]True to an extent. But there are some ways that technology can be used for the benefit of (and without inturruption to) the game. 1. A goal line camera to see if a ball has crossed the line for a goal, corner or goalkick. Thus, if a decision is subsequently awarded when, in fact, the ball had already crossed the line, the game is easily taken back to the point at which play should have been stopped. 2. To correct a clear refereeing error in a case where a ref has or hasn't awarded something. So, a player dives, the ref awards a pen instead of an indirect free kick to the defence. Immediately after a review (30 seconds?), the decision is reversed and a yellow is awarded to the diver. Or, a dangerous tackle goes unpunished. The game continues. The ref is informed and the player is subsequently punished. If an advantage was gained by the offending team, the game is taken back to that point. One important caviat, a video ref NEVER alters a decision if in ANY doubt within an immediate slow motion TV review of each camera angle. Likewise, post-match reviews to highlight cheats or reconsider cards given or not (as is partially the case at the moment) should become standard practice as in, say, Aussie rules where (I think it's still the case) reviews are very common. If a cheat's team gains something from a game as a direct result of the cheat's actions, that player will be banned for the number of games corresponding to the advantage gained .... one match per goal and/or point gained. Thus, a penalty gained by diving could incur a four-match ban (one for the goal, three for a win). That might stop diving in the real world. As for Playstation, from the little I've seen, it's set up to include a certain amount of refereeing errors, no? Some off-sides and red cards look like they've come from a very human world.[/p][/quote]i don't think that there is a right answer to this problem. but my point is where does it stop does the future mean the ref and linesmen will become redundant should players/teams be punished after the match, damm right why should cheats prosper and if the evidence shows cheating then dish out the fines and or bans this might go some way to reducing the bad bits in the modern game[/p][/quote]Yep! Agreed. More than anything else, let's use technology to punish cheats and violent play. One other point, I actually think FIFA like the controvosy caused by errors. The publicity it generates is, in their eyes, 'great' for the game. Take the goal against Germany in the last World Cup (or 'the hand of God' goal). Look at how much interest it generated beyond the football world. Strasbourg Saint
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12:55pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Velleity says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
circa 66 saint wrote:
goal line technology good or bad . now calls for 4th official to monitor game with tv evidence THE FUTURE
WELCOME TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE SPONSORED BY PLAYSTATION
the game is played by humans refereed by humans and that includes all the imperfections that the game has had since it's inception
the problem is the amount of cash involved the GAME is being railroded and is losing touch with it's original audiance
True to an extent. But there are some ways that technology can be used for the benefit of (and without inturruption to) the game.
1. A goal line camera to see if a ball has crossed the line for a goal, corner or goalkick. Thus, if a decision is subsequently awarded when, in fact, the ball had already crossed the line, the game is easily taken back to the point at which play should have been stopped.
2. To correct a clear refereeing error in a case where a ref has or hasn't awarded something. So, a player dives, the ref awards a pen instead of an indirect free kick to the defence. Immediately after a review (30 seconds?), the decision is reversed and a yellow is awarded to the diver. Or, a dangerous tackle goes unpunished. The game continues. The ref is informed and the player is subsequently punished. If an advantage was gained by the offending team, the game is taken back to that point.

One important caviat, a video ref NEVER alters a decision if in ANY doubt within an immediate slow motion TV review of each camera angle.

Likewise, post-match reviews to highlight cheats or reconsider cards given or not (as is partially the case at the moment) should become standard practice as in, say, Aussie rules where (I think it's still the case) reviews are very common. If a cheat's team gains something from a game as a direct result of the cheat's actions, that player will be banned for the number of games corresponding to the advantage gained .... one match per goal and/or point gained. Thus, a penalty gained by diving could incur a four-match ban (one for the goal, three for a win). That might stop diving in the real world. As for Playstation, from the little I've seen, it's set up to include a certain amount of refereeing errors, no? Some off-sides and red cards look like they've come from a very human world.
Not sure I've ever disagreed with you before Strasbourg, but on this we're going to have to differ (at least on the first half of your post).

One of the basic tenets of the game (as far as I'm concerned) is that what's played in St Marys is the same game as my son plays at school (Oddly enough, also St Marys). One of the things I believe you simply have to accept at every level is that refs make decisions that are fair given what they have seen (regardless of the mad conspiracy theorists on here). One of the reasons I think you have to accept this is that it's basic sportsmanship. Ref says "X", live with it. The hounding of the ref yesterday was ridiculous; when has a ref EVER changed a decision because he's been surrounded by a baying mob?

No, the rule I'd introduce is one from rugby. Any dissent and you're moved back ten metres towards your goal. There's be a couple of weeks of havoc (I imagine Alex Ferguson's head would explode) then people would simply grow up and deal with it. There's never dissent in rugby.

Your second point, whereby every game is reviewed afterwards, I agree with you. The game still flows, but people get penalised. The details I might not quite agree with, but the sentiment is fine.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]circa 66 saint[/bold] wrote: goal line technology good or bad . now calls for 4th official to monitor game with tv evidence THE FUTURE WELCOME TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE SPONSORED BY PLAYSTATION the game is played by humans refereed by humans and that includes all the imperfections that the game has had since it's inception the problem is the amount of cash involved the GAME is being railroded and is losing touch with it's original audiance[/p][/quote]True to an extent. But there are some ways that technology can be used for the benefit of (and without inturruption to) the game. 1. A goal line camera to see if a ball has crossed the line for a goal, corner or goalkick. Thus, if a decision is subsequently awarded when, in fact, the ball had already crossed the line, the game is easily taken back to the point at which play should have been stopped. 2. To correct a clear refereeing error in a case where a ref has or hasn't awarded something. So, a player dives, the ref awards a pen instead of an indirect free kick to the defence. Immediately after a review (30 seconds?), the decision is reversed and a yellow is awarded to the diver. Or, a dangerous tackle goes unpunished. The game continues. The ref is informed and the player is subsequently punished. If an advantage was gained by the offending team, the game is taken back to that point. One important caviat, a video ref NEVER alters a decision if in ANY doubt within an immediate slow motion TV review of each camera angle. Likewise, post-match reviews to highlight cheats or reconsider cards given or not (as is partially the case at the moment) should become standard practice as in, say, Aussie rules where (I think it's still the case) reviews are very common. If a cheat's team gains something from a game as a direct result of the cheat's actions, that player will be banned for the number of games corresponding to the advantage gained .... one match per goal and/or point gained. Thus, a penalty gained by diving could incur a four-match ban (one for the goal, three for a win). That might stop diving in the real world. As for Playstation, from the little I've seen, it's set up to include a certain amount of refereeing errors, no? Some off-sides and red cards look like they've come from a very human world.[/p][/quote]Not sure I've ever disagreed with you before Strasbourg, but on this we're going to have to differ (at least on the first half of your post). One of the basic tenets of the game (as far as I'm concerned) is that what's played in St Marys is the same game as my son plays at school (Oddly enough, also St Marys). One of the things I believe you simply have to accept at every level is that refs make decisions that are fair given what they have seen (regardless of the mad conspiracy theorists on here). One of the reasons I think you have to accept this is that it's basic sportsmanship. Ref says "X", live with it. The hounding of the ref yesterday was ridiculous; when has a ref EVER changed a decision because he's been surrounded by a baying mob? No, the rule I'd introduce is one from rugby. Any dissent and you're moved back ten metres towards your goal. There's be a couple of weeks of havoc (I imagine Alex Ferguson's head would explode) then people would simply grow up and deal with it. There's never dissent in rugby. Your second point, whereby every game is reviewed afterwards, I agree with you. The game still flows, but people get penalised. The details I might not quite agree with, but the sentiment is fine. Velleity
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1:12pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

Velleity, I take your point and totally agree about the surrounding of the ref. I hate that and am proud we don't (often) see Saints players under NA doing it. I was also impressed by NA's interview yesterday which echoed many of your comments - so refreshing when compared to those bullies at the top of the Prem.

I agree with you regarding conspiracies, although I went to bed just wondering if there are Sky execs who lean gently on the refs. Maybe it's because I recently heard a first-hand account about an overheard phone call in which the owner of one of Europe's top teams (No, I'm not going to even identify the country) asked the person at the end of the phone how much each player on the other team needed so that his team would win the next match and with it the domestic title. There's no doubt that certain things happen in our beloved sport which we will never find out about.

Alas, more common is the fact that a ref, being human (most of the time!) might be swayed by a home crowd .... yes, even at SMS. Maybe that's why I am a technology fan. I just hate how often the top teams at home seem to get the 50-50s go their way.
Velleity, I take your point and totally agree about the surrounding of the ref. I hate that and am proud we don't (often) see Saints players under NA doing it. I was also impressed by NA's interview yesterday which echoed many of your comments - so refreshing when compared to those bullies at the top of the Prem. I agree with you regarding conspiracies, although I went to bed just wondering if there are Sky execs who lean gently on the refs. Maybe it's because I recently heard a first-hand account about an overheard phone call in which the owner of one of Europe's top teams (No, I'm not going to even identify the country) asked the person at the end of the phone how much each player on the other team needed so that his team would win the next match and with it the domestic title. There's no doubt that certain things happen in our beloved sport which we will never find out about. Alas, more common is the fact that a ref, being human (most of the time!) might be swayed by a home crowd .... yes, even at SMS. Maybe that's why I am a technology fan. I just hate how often the top teams at home seem to get the 50-50s go their way. Strasbourg Saint
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1:12pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Winchester Saint says...

I heard report that Saints v Coventry will be on live TV but not on Sky instead on BBC TV!

If you are thinking about an easy game for next Saturday then think again cos Coventry will not take it too easy despite being relegated and they would want a win to keep their spirit high and perhaps done West ham a favor.

The game will be hard for Saints especially as we are missing Chaplow and De Ridder who are out injured.

West Ham will no doubt beat Leicester City on Monday and they'll have no problems beating Hull City on last day.

But Saints will have to make sure we get promoted and not to allow Coventry to take a shot at goal again.

Lose this one and West Ham wins both Monday and Saturday's games then we will drop down into third but Saints will make sure this doesn't happen.

Play off maybe very hard for us to win the final at Wembley cos two or three of them in play off beat us twice during the season and likely to beat us again.

So get cracking and get us promoted, Saints or else we stay in Championship or in lower league for much longer!

COYR SAINTS!
I heard report that Saints v Coventry will be on live TV but not on Sky instead on BBC TV! If you are thinking about an easy game for next Saturday then think again cos Coventry will not take it too easy despite being relegated and they would want a win to keep their spirit high and perhaps done West ham a favor. The game will be hard for Saints especially as we are missing Chaplow and De Ridder who are out injured. West Ham will no doubt beat Leicester City on Monday and they'll have no problems beating Hull City on last day. But Saints will have to make sure we get promoted and not to allow Coventry to take a shot at goal again. Lose this one and West Ham wins both Monday and Saturday's games then we will drop down into third but Saints will make sure this doesn't happen. Play off maybe very hard for us to win the final at Wembley cos two or three of them in play off beat us twice during the season and likely to beat us again. So get cracking and get us promoted, Saints or else we stay in Championship or in lower league for much longer! COYR SAINTS! Winchester Saint
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1:18pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Des/Isle of Wight/SFC says...

Saintsayer II...........just noticed on the Saints website that the tickets on Tuesday at 8am are either online or via telephone booking (0800 2800 050) only, so i dont know if a visit to the ground will help me but any help is very much appreciated. Thanks.......Des.
Saintsayer II...........just noticed on the Saints website that the tickets on Tuesday at 8am are either online or via telephone booking (0800 2800 050) only, so i dont know if a visit to the ground will help me but any help is very much appreciated. Thanks.......Des. Des/Isle of Wight/SFC
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1:26pm Sun 22 Apr 12

circa 66 saint says...

very big money involved in all sports now. who can rule out that games cannot be influenced. who stands to make the most money out of sport generally.
are sky totally above suspicion who actually owns sky?
very big money involved in all sports now. who can rule out that games cannot be influenced. who stands to make the most money out of sport generally. are sky totally above suspicion who actually owns sky? circa 66 saint
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1:33pm Sun 22 Apr 12

worried of n e hampshire says...

think there might be a few kipping on the tarmac outside the ticket office monday night as 500 returned tickets for el clasico go on sale tuesday morning.
think there might be a few kipping on the tarmac outside the ticket office monday night as 500 returned tickets for el clasico go on sale tuesday morning. worried of n e hampshire
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1:37pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Confucious says...

Sky TV is controlling refs, bribery is rife throughout the game and Elvis is still alive and working in Tescos in Bedford.
Sky TV is controlling refs, bribery is rife throughout the game and Elvis is still alive and working in Tescos in Bedford. Confucious
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1:42pm Sun 22 Apr 12

circa 66 saint says...

Confucious wrote:
Sky TV is controlling refs, bribery is rife throughout the game and Elvis is still alive and working in Tescos in Bedford.
costello or pressley
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Sky TV is controlling refs, bribery is rife throughout the game and Elvis is still alive and working in Tescos in Bedford.[/p][/quote]costello or pressley circa 66 saint
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1:57pm Sun 22 Apr 12

somersetsaint64 says...

what happens if we draw last game 0-0 and West Ham win both theirs 2-0? We will both have same points same goals for and against. Does it come down to games between us?
what happens if we draw last game 0-0 and West Ham win both theirs 2-0? We will both have same points same goals for and against. Does it come down to games between us? somersetsaint64
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1:59pm Sun 22 Apr 12

spirit of 66 says...

Confucious wrote:
This Saturday, the rain - next Saturday, the rainbow.
Keeping calm this week after disappointing Saturday, Mrs Spirit writing haikus with fridge magnets. Here's mine...

magic and wonder,
at home for that special day,
the boys going up.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: This Saturday, the rain - next Saturday, the rainbow.[/p][/quote]Keeping calm this week after disappointing Saturday, Mrs Spirit writing haikus with fridge magnets. Here's mine... magic and wonder, at home for that special day, the boys going up. spirit of 66
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2:01pm Sun 22 Apr 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Winchester Saint wrote:
I heard report that Saints v Coventry will be on live TV but not on Sky instead on BBC TV!

If you are thinking about an easy game for next Saturday then think again cos Coventry will not take it too easy despite being relegated and they would want a win to keep their spirit high and perhaps done West ham a favor.

The game will be hard for Saints especially as we are missing Chaplow and De Ridder who are out injured.

West Ham will no doubt beat Leicester City on Monday and they'll have no problems beating Hull City on last day.

But Saints will have to make sure we get promoted and not to allow Coventry to take a shot at goal again.

Lose this one and West Ham wins both Monday and Saturday's games then we will drop down into third but Saints will make sure this doesn't happen.

Play off maybe very hard for us to win the final at Wembley cos two or three of them in play off beat us twice during the season and likely to beat us again.

So get cracking and get us promoted, Saints or else we stay in Championship or in lower league for much longer!

COYR SAINTS!
On the coach coming home the Club courier said that it was Sky that would be televising it, could have misheard and if it is BBC the hoodo may not apply either.
[quote][p][bold]Winchester Saint[/bold] wrote: I heard report that Saints v Coventry will be on live TV but not on Sky instead on BBC TV! If you are thinking about an easy game for next Saturday then think again cos Coventry will not take it too easy despite being relegated and they would want a win to keep their spirit high and perhaps done West ham a favor. The game will be hard for Saints especially as we are missing Chaplow and De Ridder who are out injured. West Ham will no doubt beat Leicester City on Monday and they'll have no problems beating Hull City on last day. But Saints will have to make sure we get promoted and not to allow Coventry to take a shot at goal again. Lose this one and West Ham wins both Monday and Saturday's games then we will drop down into third but Saints will make sure this doesn't happen. Play off maybe very hard for us to win the final at Wembley cos two or three of them in play off beat us twice during the season and likely to beat us again. So get cracking and get us promoted, Saints or else we stay in Championship or in lower league for much longer! COYR SAINTS![/p][/quote]On the coach coming home the Club courier said that it was Sky that would be televising it, could have misheard and if it is BBC the hoodo may not apply either. OSPREYSAINT
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2:07pm Sun 22 Apr 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Velleity wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote:
The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine.

It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.
Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.
Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them)

If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten.
Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty".

Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not.

By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided.

Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.
Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine. It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.[/p][/quote]Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.[/p][/quote]Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them) If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten. Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty". Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not. By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided. Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.[/p][/quote]Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway. OSPREYSAINT
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2:17pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote:
The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine.

It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.
Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.
Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them)

If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten.
Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty".

Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not.

By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided.

Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.
Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.
I always tell the little Strassies that it is NEVER ..... NEVER right to cheat and that, if I EVER see them dive or try to con a ref and they get away with it, their punishment will be sweetly administered by me.

Of course, I also add that Michael Owen's dives in the 1998 and 2002 World Cup matches against Argentina were not only okay but Owen's national duty.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine. It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.[/p][/quote]Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.[/p][/quote]Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them) If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten. Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty". Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not. By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided. Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.[/p][/quote]Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.[/p][/quote]I always tell the little Strassies that it is NEVER ..... NEVER right to cheat and that, if I EVER see them dive or try to con a ref and they get away with it, their punishment will be sweetly administered by me. Of course, I also add that Michael Owen's dives in the 1998 and 2002 World Cup matches against Argentina were not only okay but Owen's national duty. Strasbourg Saint
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2:18pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Taunton Saint says...

We will be fine, keep the faith!!

Leicester are a tough team, Pearson will not roll over, not his style, the man is a Gent. I couldnt make Leicester at home and he was asked on Sky whether this was a chance of revenge (before teh game) against Southampton. His exact words I can't remember but it was along the lines of ...

"No nothing like that, different club, different players, still the same supporters, no revenge from me I loved it here I wsih them all well"

He aint gonna roll over for Fat Spam and nor will will his players
We will be fine, keep the faith!! Leicester are a tough team, Pearson will not roll over, not his style, the man is a Gent. I couldnt make Leicester at home and he was asked on Sky whether this was a chance of revenge (before teh game) against Southampton. His exact words I can't remember but it was along the lines of ... "No nothing like that, different club, different players, still the same supporters, no revenge from me I loved it here I wsih them all well" He aint gonna roll over for Fat Spam and nor will will his players Taunton Saint
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2:21pm Sun 22 Apr 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Craig David, Ken Russell, Chris Packham, Benny Hill, Isaac Watts, Mat Le Tiss, your boys took a hell of a cheating.......
Craig David, Ken Russell, Chris Packham, Benny Hill, Isaac Watts, Mat Le Tiss, your boys took a hell of a cheating....... OSPREYSAINT
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2:26pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

4-4 at Old Trafford. There is a God, although not mine. He or she would have conjured up an injury time winner for Everton.
4-4 at Old Trafford. There is a God, although not mine. He or she would have conjured up an injury time winner for Everton. Strasbourg Saint
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2:27pm Sun 22 Apr 12

DisplacedFan says...

So it's really down to the last game of the season. We still own our destiny. Control the controllables. What each of us wouldn't have given to be where we are now at the start of the season. Congratulations to Reading. We will be promoted. Of that I have no doubt. Rock the House and see us home. Once we win, we will immediately go into who stays and who goes. That will be an interesting conversation. Until then, draw a line under it and get ready for the next game.
So it's really down to the last game of the season. We still own our destiny. Control the controllables. What each of us wouldn't have given to be where we are now at the start of the season. Congratulations to Reading. We will be promoted. Of that I have no doubt. Rock the House and see us home. Once we win, we will immediately go into who stays and who goes. That will be an interesting conversation. Until then, draw a line under it and get ready for the next game. DisplacedFan
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2:32pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Lots of talk of dodgy refereeing yesterday. You're right. After Middlesborough equalised at the end of the first half, deep into injury time, they had the ball in the back of the net again before the half time whistle. It was given off side. It wasn't. Swings and roundabouts.
Lots of talk of dodgy refereeing yesterday. You're right. After Middlesborough equalised at the end of the first half, deep into injury time, they had the ball in the back of the net again before the half time whistle. It was given off side. It wasn't. Swings and roundabouts. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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2:37pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Taunton Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Lots of talk of dodgy refereeing yesterday. You're right. After Middlesborough equalised at the end of the first half, deep into injury time, they had the ball in the back of the net again before the half time whistle. It was given off side. It wasn't. Swings and roundabouts.
exactly, I used to Umpire at a decent level of cricket after I was forced to retire through injury.

I made mistakes a couple of howlers for sure, did I mean to? No, Was I cheating No?

next week that same player would be given Not Out by another umpire when they clearly knicked it. It happens mistakes happen deal with it

We will win next week
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Lots of talk of dodgy refereeing yesterday. You're right. After Middlesborough equalised at the end of the first half, deep into injury time, they had the ball in the back of the net again before the half time whistle. It was given off side. It wasn't. Swings and roundabouts.[/p][/quote]exactly, I used to Umpire at a decent level of cricket after I was forced to retire through injury. I made mistakes a couple of howlers for sure, did I mean to? No, Was I cheating No? next week that same player would be given Not Out by another umpire when they clearly knicked it. It happens mistakes happen deal with it We will win next week Taunton Saint
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2:45pm Sun 22 Apr 12

circa 66 saint says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote:
The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine.

It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.
Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.
Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them)

If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten.
Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty".

Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not.

By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided.

Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.
Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.
I always tell the little Strassies that it is NEVER ..... NEVER right to cheat and that, if I EVER see them dive or try to con a ref and they get away with it, their punishment will be sweetly administered by me.

Of course, I also add that Michael Owen's dives in the 1998 and 2002 World Cup matches against Argentina were not only okay but Owen's national duty.
question is do refs make more mistakes now than say 50 years ago.if they do then why.
i don't think they do and as i said way back in 1966, where's your glasses ref.
sometimes it will feel like the ref is biased but talk to any supporter in the country and they will say the same, usually after their team has lost.
so another game lost blame the ref not our fault.
we will still go up it is still in our hands all we have to do is beat coventry and the ref on sat
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine. It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.[/p][/quote]Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.[/p][/quote]Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them) If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten. Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty". Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not. By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided. Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.[/p][/quote]Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.[/p][/quote]I always tell the little Strassies that it is NEVER ..... NEVER right to cheat and that, if I EVER see them dive or try to con a ref and they get away with it, their punishment will be sweetly administered by me. Of course, I also add that Michael Owen's dives in the 1998 and 2002 World Cup matches against Argentina were not only okay but Owen's national duty.[/p][/quote]question is do refs make more mistakes now than say 50 years ago.if they do then why. i don't think they do and as i said way back in 1966, where's your glasses ref. sometimes it will feel like the ref is biased but talk to any supporter in the country and they will say the same, usually after their team has lost. so another game lost blame the ref not our fault. we will still go up it is still in our hands all we have to do is beat coventry and the ref on sat circa 66 saint
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2:45pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Velleity says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Velleity, I take your point and totally agree about the surrounding of the ref. I hate that and am proud we don't (often) see Saints players under NA doing it. I was also impressed by NA's interview yesterday which echoed many of your comments - so refreshing when compared to those bullies at the top of the Prem.

I agree with you regarding conspiracies, although I went to bed just wondering if there are Sky execs who lean gently on the refs. Maybe it's because I recently heard a first-hand account about an overheard phone call in which the owner of one of Europe's top teams (No, I'm not going to even identify the country) asked the person at the end of the phone how much each player on the other team needed so that his team would win the next match and with it the domestic title. There's no doubt that certain things happen in our beloved sport which we will never find out about.

Alas, more common is the fact that a ref, being human (most of the time!) might be swayed by a home crowd .... yes, even at SMS. Maybe that's why I am a technology fan. I just hate how often the top teams at home seem to get the 50-50s go their way.
The one about home crowds influencing decisions was investigated by Professor Alan Nevill. From the press release (The original doc is not available; you need to pay to read it)

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Professor Nevill has conducted a significant amount of research into football refereeing and said: “The existence of the home advantage in sport is well known. There is growing evidence that crowd noise plays a crucial part in this phenomenon.

“Consequently, a quantitative study was undertaken to examine the influence of crowd noise upon refereeing decisions in association football. The association between years of experience and any imbalance in refereeing decisions was also addressed.”

Forty qualified officials from the North Staffordshire Referees Club volunteered to take part in the study, with individual experience ranging from newly-qualified referees to 43 years’ experience.

While watching a videotaped recording of the Premiership clash between Liverpool and Leicester at Anfield in the 1998/99 season, they assessed the legality of 47 challenges/incidents recorded during the match. Some referees watched with the crowd noise on, others in silence and when incidents occurred they categorised them as home foul, away foul, no foul or uncertain.

“The presence of crowd noise had a dramatic effect on the decisions made by the referees,” said Professor Nevill. “Those viewing the challenges with background crowd noise were more uncertain in their decision making and awarded significantly fewer fouls (15.5%) against the home team, compared with those watching in silence.

“The noise of the crowd influenced referees’ decisions to favour the home team. It is suggested that referees’ decisions are influenced by the salient nature of crowd noise and the need to avoid potential crowd displeasure by making a decision in favour of the home team."

"“Years of experience had a significant effect on the number of fouls awarded by the referees against the home players, increasing with years of experience until a peak at approximately 16 years and thereafter a decline was observed.”

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So, what we need is what I've always said, which is more noise at St Marys!
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Velleity, I take your point and totally agree about the surrounding of the ref. I hate that and am proud we don't (often) see Saints players under NA doing it. I was also impressed by NA's interview yesterday which echoed many of your comments - so refreshing when compared to those bullies at the top of the Prem. I agree with you regarding conspiracies, although I went to bed just wondering if there are Sky execs who lean gently on the refs. Maybe it's because I recently heard a first-hand account about an overheard phone call in which the owner of one of Europe's top teams (No, I'm not going to even identify the country) asked the person at the end of the phone how much each player on the other team needed so that his team would win the next match and with it the domestic title. There's no doubt that certain things happen in our beloved sport which we will never find out about. Alas, more common is the fact that a ref, being human (most of the time!) might be swayed by a home crowd .... yes, even at SMS. Maybe that's why I am a technology fan. I just hate how often the top teams at home seem to get the 50-50s go their way.[/p][/quote]The one about home crowds influencing decisions was investigated by Professor Alan Nevill. From the press release (The original doc is not available; you need to pay to read it) -------------- Professor Nevill has conducted a significant amount of research into football refereeing and said: “The existence of the home advantage in sport is well known. There is growing evidence that crowd noise plays a crucial part in this phenomenon. “Consequently, a quantitative study was undertaken to examine the influence of crowd noise upon refereeing decisions in association football. The association between years of experience and any imbalance in refereeing decisions was also addressed.” Forty qualified officials from the North Staffordshire Referees Club volunteered to take part in the study, with individual experience ranging from newly-qualified referees to 43 years’ experience. While watching a videotaped recording of the Premiership clash between Liverpool and Leicester at Anfield in the 1998/99 season, they assessed the legality of 47 challenges/incidents recorded during the match. Some referees watched with the crowd noise on, others in silence and when incidents occurred they categorised them as home foul, away foul, no foul or uncertain. “The presence of crowd noise had a dramatic effect on the decisions made by the referees,” said Professor Nevill. “Those viewing the challenges with background crowd noise were more uncertain in their decision making and awarded significantly fewer fouls (15.5%) against the home team, compared with those watching in silence. “The noise of the crowd influenced referees’ decisions to favour the home team. It is suggested that referees’ decisions are influenced by the salient nature of crowd noise and the need to avoid potential crowd displeasure by making a decision in favour of the home team." "“Years of experience had a significant effect on the number of fouls awarded by the referees against the home players, increasing with years of experience until a peak at approximately 16 years and thereafter a decline was observed.” -------------- So, what we need is what I've always said, which is more noise at St Marys! Velleity
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2:50pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Velleity says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote:
The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine.

It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.
Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.
Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them)

If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten.
Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty".

Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not.

By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided.

Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.
Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.
Wow, what a strange straw man you erect there. Of course I'm not saying that it's OK for refs to get things wrong.

What I'm saying is that they DO get things wrong but it balances out over the season.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine. It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.[/p][/quote]Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.[/p][/quote]Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them) If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten. Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty". Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not. By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided. Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.[/p][/quote]Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.[/p][/quote]Wow, what a strange straw man you erect there. Of course I'm not saying that it's OK for refs to get things wrong. What I'm saying is that they DO get things wrong but it balances out over the season. Velleity
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2:53pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Holly the Dog says...

The boys will win against Coventry and it will be great to win promotion at home.
I worry about our prospects in the Prem. Our play is to give the ball to the left or right back who hoof it upfield to Lambert from the halfway line and premiership defenders will eat that up all day.
We scored against 'boro by playing the ball on the ground and running through them.
We need an in impact player to come off the bench and why have 2 defenders on the bench and only 1 forward
The boys will win against Coventry and it will be great to win promotion at home. I worry about our prospects in the Prem. Our play is to give the ball to the left or right back who hoof it upfield to Lambert from the halfway line and premiership defenders will eat that up all day. We scored against 'boro by playing the ball on the ground and running through them. We need an in impact player to come off the bench and why have 2 defenders on the bench and only 1 forward Holly the Dog
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2:58pm Sun 22 Apr 12

saintkenny says...

mayfly wrote:
randre wrote:
mayfly wrote: There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman? I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses. What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on. I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what? Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up. The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.
To be fair I thought saints played well in the two games you mentioned and of course the game away to peterborough, we played well and got the result. I don't think we have played poorly. Don't worry about the premiership as we are not there yet! Anyway, as many other teams supporters, including a reading fan, has said our passing football is better suited for the premier league. I agree, many teams are playing defensive against us now. Keep the faith.. Coyr
randre: It's the day after the game and I'm calming down slowly. Thanks for not beating me up over my views (many would be delighted to squash thoughts that don't fit with their own). My faith is restored! You are quite correct Saints weren't as bad as I claimed against Reading and Boro. I am so desperate for Saints to get back to the Prem and do it in style that anything less than a perfect perfomance throughout the season makes me very impatient. There are no bad teams in the Championship and anyone can beat anyone else on the day but I still feel that our midfield melts away too often and concedes too readily.
if anything saints played a open game trying to win there ,tony mowbray quoted it was nice to see a team come and attack us at home .they have been near the top 6 all season ,and the championship for a few seasons now .all the clubs in the top 4 underneath us would all love to be in the position we have .another important issue to remember is we had to long trips peterboro and middsbrough after the big reading game .and we now have a full 7 days before a home .this makes a huge difference ,before that final game ,that is if west ham win at leicester i think it will be a draw .myself ,we shall watch with interest
[quote][p][bold]mayfly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mayfly[/bold] wrote: There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman? I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses. What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on. I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what? Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up. The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.[/p][/quote]To be fair I thought saints played well in the two games you mentioned and of course the game away to peterborough, we played well and got the result. I don't think we have played poorly. Don't worry about the premiership as we are not there yet! Anyway, as many other teams supporters, including a reading fan, has said our passing football is better suited for the premier league. I agree, many teams are playing defensive against us now. Keep the faith.. Coyr[/p][/quote]randre: It's the day after the game and I'm calming down slowly. Thanks for not beating me up over my views (many would be delighted to squash thoughts that don't fit with their own). My faith is restored! You are quite correct Saints weren't as bad as I claimed against Reading and Boro. I am so desperate for Saints to get back to the Prem and do it in style that anything less than a perfect perfomance throughout the season makes me very impatient. There are no bad teams in the Championship and anyone can beat anyone else on the day but I still feel that our midfield melts away too often and concedes too readily.[/p][/quote]if anything saints played a open game trying to win there ,tony mowbray quoted it was nice to see a team come and attack us at home .they have been near the top 6 all season ,and the championship for a few seasons now .all the clubs in the top 4 underneath us would all love to be in the position we have .another important issue to remember is we had to long trips peterboro and middsbrough after the big reading game .and we now have a full 7 days before a home .this makes a huge difference ,before that final game ,that is if west ham win at leicester i think it will be a draw .myself ,we shall watch with interest saintkenny
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3:01pm Sun 22 Apr 12

saintkenny says...

Holly the Dog wrote:
The boys will win against Coventry and it will be great to win promotion at home.
I worry about our prospects in the Prem. Our play is to give the ball to the left or right back who hoof it upfield to Lambert from the halfway line and premiership defenders will eat that up all day.
We scored against 'boro by playing the ball on the ground and running through them.
We need an in impact player to come off the bench and why have 2 defenders on the bench and only 1 forward
answer injurys and kelvin had a knock hence bart on the bench ,hoovield is playing through pain .so forced really
[quote][p][bold]Holly the Dog[/bold] wrote: The boys will win against Coventry and it will be great to win promotion at home. I worry about our prospects in the Prem. Our play is to give the ball to the left or right back who hoof it upfield to Lambert from the halfway line and premiership defenders will eat that up all day. We scored against 'boro by playing the ball on the ground and running through them. We need an in impact player to come off the bench and why have 2 defenders on the bench and only 1 forward[/p][/quote]answer injurys and kelvin had a knock hence bart on the bench ,hoovield is playing through pain .so forced really saintkenny
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3:05pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

Velleity wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Velleity, I take your point and totally agree about the surrounding of the ref. I hate that and am proud we don't (often) see Saints players under NA doing it. I was also impressed by NA's interview yesterday which echoed many of your comments - so refreshing when compared to those bullies at the top of the Prem.

I agree with you regarding conspiracies, although I went to bed just wondering if there are Sky execs who lean gently on the refs. Maybe it's because I recently heard a first-hand account about an overheard phone call in which the owner of one of Europe's top teams (No, I'm not going to even identify the country) asked the person at the end of the phone how much each player on the other team needed so that his team would win the next match and with it the domestic title. There's no doubt that certain things happen in our beloved sport which we will never find out about.

Alas, more common is the fact that a ref, being human (most of the time!) might be swayed by a home crowd .... yes, even at SMS. Maybe that's why I am a technology fan. I just hate how often the top teams at home seem to get the 50-50s go their way.
The one about home crowds influencing decisions was investigated by Professor Alan Nevill. From the press release (The original doc is not available; you need to pay to read it)

--------------

Professor Nevill has conducted a significant amount of research into football refereeing and said: “The existence of the home advantage in sport is well known. There is growing evidence that crowd noise plays a crucial part in this phenomenon.

“Consequently, a quantitative study was undertaken to examine the influence of crowd noise upon refereeing decisions in association football. The association between years of experience and any imbalance in refereeing decisions was also addressed.”

Forty qualified officials from the North Staffordshire Referees Club volunteered to take part in the study, with individual experience ranging from newly-qualified referees to 43 years’ experience.

While watching a videotaped recording of the Premiership clash between Liverpool and Leicester at Anfield in the 1998/99 season, they assessed the legality of 47 challenges/incidents recorded during the match. Some referees watched with the crowd noise on, others in silence and when incidents occurred they categorised them as home foul, away foul, no foul or uncertain.

“The presence of crowd noise had a dramatic effect on the decisions made by the referees,” said Professor Nevill. “Those viewing the challenges with background crowd noise were more uncertain in their decision making and awarded significantly fewer fouls (15.5%) against the home team, compared with those watching in silence.

“The noise of the crowd influenced referees’ decisions to favour the home team. It is suggested that referees’ decisions are influenced by the salient nature of crowd noise and the need to avoid potential crowd displeasure by making a decision in favour of the home team."

"“Years of experience had a significant effect on the number of fouls awarded by the referees against the home players, increasing with years of experience until a peak at approximately 16 years and thereafter a decline was observed.”

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So, what we need is what I've always said, which is more noise at St Marys!
That's a fab-tastic bit of research; many thanks.

It also makes me feel better for the occasion during that 3-3 draw with Blackburn (the one in which Marsden & Mark Hughes scored and, if I remember well, both Beattie and Pahars came off the bench to orchestrate the equaliser and almost the winner) when, sat as I was with a friend in the disabled section beside the tunnel, during a moments lull in the noise, I called the nearby linesman something beginning with W.

Well, he had just given a throw the wrong way. It would never have happened with video replays :) Mind you, I'd feel a bit dumb shouting obsenities at a bit of Cyclopsesque technology.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Velleity, I take your point and totally agree about the surrounding of the ref. I hate that and am proud we don't (often) see Saints players under NA doing it. I was also impressed by NA's interview yesterday which echoed many of your comments - so refreshing when compared to those bullies at the top of the Prem. I agree with you regarding conspiracies, although I went to bed just wondering if there are Sky execs who lean gently on the refs. Maybe it's because I recently heard a first-hand account about an overheard phone call in which the owner of one of Europe's top teams (No, I'm not going to even identify the country) asked the person at the end of the phone how much each player on the other team needed so that his team would win the next match and with it the domestic title. There's no doubt that certain things happen in our beloved sport which we will never find out about. Alas, more common is the fact that a ref, being human (most of the time!) might be swayed by a home crowd .... yes, even at SMS. Maybe that's why I am a technology fan. I just hate how often the top teams at home seem to get the 50-50s go their way.[/p][/quote]The one about home crowds influencing decisions was investigated by Professor Alan Nevill. From the press release (The original doc is not available; you need to pay to read it) -------------- Professor Nevill has conducted a significant amount of research into football refereeing and said: “The existence of the home advantage in sport is well known. There is growing evidence that crowd noise plays a crucial part in this phenomenon. “Consequently, a quantitative study was undertaken to examine the influence of crowd noise upon refereeing decisions in association football. The association between years of experience and any imbalance in refereeing decisions was also addressed.” Forty qualified officials from the North Staffordshire Referees Club volunteered to take part in the study, with individual experience ranging from newly-qualified referees to 43 years’ experience. While watching a videotaped recording of the Premiership clash between Liverpool and Leicester at Anfield in the 1998/99 season, they assessed the legality of 47 challenges/incidents recorded during the match. Some referees watched with the crowd noise on, others in silence and when incidents occurred they categorised them as home foul, away foul, no foul or uncertain. “The presence of crowd noise had a dramatic effect on the decisions made by the referees,” said Professor Nevill. “Those viewing the challenges with background crowd noise were more uncertain in their decision making and awarded significantly fewer fouls (15.5%) against the home team, compared with those watching in silence. “The noise of the crowd influenced referees’ decisions to favour the home team. It is suggested that referees’ decisions are influenced by the salient nature of crowd noise and the need to avoid potential crowd displeasure by making a decision in favour of the home team." "“Years of experience had a significant effect on the number of fouls awarded by the referees against the home players, increasing with years of experience until a peak at approximately 16 years and thereafter a decline was observed.” -------------- So, what we need is what I've always said, which is more noise at St Marys![/p][/quote]That's a fab-tastic bit of research; many thanks. It also makes me feel better for the occasion during that 3-3 draw with Blackburn (the one in which Marsden & Mark Hughes scored and, if I remember well, both Beattie and Pahars came off the bench to orchestrate the equaliser and almost the winner) when, sat as I was with a friend in the disabled section beside the tunnel, during a moments lull in the noise, I called the nearby linesman something beginning with W. Well, he had just given a throw the wrong way. It would never have happened with video replays :) Mind you, I'd feel a bit dumb shouting obsenities at a bit of Cyclopsesque technology. Strasbourg Saint
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3:10pm Sun 22 Apr 12

warrens 76 says...

Time for brutal honesty...
Fact 1:on the ball we are the best footballing team in this division and quite a bit better than many in the Premier.
Fact 2: Off the ball we are shocking everytime we lose ball even on the edge of our opponents area you sense the opposition could score without our beautiful possession football we could often lose by a cricket score, we do not have the resilience in defence.
Fact 3: we have more possession than anyone we make more chances chances than any one.
Fact 4: we continuosly break down in the last 3rd playing"hopeful" balls...keep it and start again..
Fact 4: our defenders are the most useless header's of the ball I have ever seen, in attack you should always rely on your big centre halfs and central defenders to hit the target from corners... no the ball goes anywere, usually UP which is even more disturbing in our own defensive areas, a powerful and good directional header of the ball will turn defence to attack and be a goal proposition for every corner, our guy's need serious practice they are shocking, indeed we had many clear cut chances to win against Reading just from corners...
Before anyone get's stroppy read the good and the bad in this post!!
Time for brutal honesty... Fact 1:on the ball we are the best footballing team in this division and quite a bit better than many in the Premier. Fact 2: Off the ball we are shocking everytime we lose ball even on the edge of our opponents area you sense the opposition could score without our beautiful possession football we could often lose by a cricket score, we do not have the resilience in defence. Fact 3: we have more possession than anyone we make more chances chances than any one. Fact 4: we continuosly break down in the last 3rd playing"hopeful" balls...keep it and start again.. Fact 4: our defenders are the most useless header's of the ball I have ever seen, in attack you should always rely on your big centre halfs and central defenders to hit the target from corners... no the ball goes anywere, usually UP which is even more disturbing in our own defensive areas, a powerful and good directional header of the ball will turn defence to attack and be a goal proposition for every corner, our guy's need serious practice they are shocking, indeed we had many clear cut chances to win against Reading just from corners... Before anyone get's stroppy read the good and the bad in this post!! warrens 76
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3:19pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

saintkenny wrote:
Holly the Dog wrote:
The boys will win against Coventry and it will be great to win promotion at home.
I worry about our prospects in the Prem. Our play is to give the ball to the left or right back who hoof it upfield to Lambert from the halfway line and premiership defenders will eat that up all day.
We scored against 'boro by playing the ball on the ground and running through them.
We need an in impact player to come off the bench and why have 2 defenders on the bench and only 1 forward
answer injurys and kelvin had a knock hence bart on the bench ,hoovield is playing through pain .so forced really
I genuinely believe if Tad Lee wasn't crocked we'd be up by now. He was brought in to give us pace and a different dimension upfront which he did in bucket loads before the injury, infact he was keeping Billy out of the starting line up.

That, together with Connolly being injured yet again, De Ridder unavailable and Barney appearing in court meant no strikers on the bench to give Nigel attacking options. Guly was his only option and had to be used for other reasons.

It's the same reason we had the bad run before due to no options on the bench which Nigel has so often used to win games.
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Holly the Dog[/bold] wrote: The boys will win against Coventry and it will be great to win promotion at home. I worry about our prospects in the Prem. Our play is to give the ball to the left or right back who hoof it upfield to Lambert from the halfway line and premiership defenders will eat that up all day. We scored against 'boro by playing the ball on the ground and running through them. We need an in impact player to come off the bench and why have 2 defenders on the bench and only 1 forward[/p][/quote]answer injurys and kelvin had a knock hence bart on the bench ,hoovield is playing through pain .so forced really[/p][/quote]I genuinely believe if Tad Lee wasn't crocked we'd be up by now. He was brought in to give us pace and a different dimension upfront which he did in bucket loads before the injury, infact he was keeping Billy out of the starting line up. That, together with Connolly being injured yet again, De Ridder unavailable and Barney appearing in court meant no strikers on the bench to give Nigel attacking options. Guly was his only option and had to be used for other reasons. It's the same reason we had the bad run before due to no options on the bench which Nigel has so often used to win games. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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3:36pm Sun 22 Apr 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Velleity wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote:
The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine.

It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.
Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.
Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them)

If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten.
Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty".

Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not.

By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided.

Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.
Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.
Wow, what a strange straw man you erect there. Of course I'm not saying that it's OK for refs to get things wrong.

What I'm saying is that they DO get things wrong but it balances out over the season.
In that case let it be on Saturday that we get the benefit of a real howler and I won't complain! Please don't take me seriously I like to tease.....
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine. It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.[/p][/quote]Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.[/p][/quote]Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them) If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten. Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty". Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not. By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided. Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.[/p][/quote]Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.[/p][/quote]Wow, what a strange straw man you erect there. Of course I'm not saying that it's OK for refs to get things wrong. What I'm saying is that they DO get things wrong but it balances out over the season.[/p][/quote]In that case let it be on Saturday that we get the benefit of a real howler and I won't complain! Please don't take me seriously I like to tease..... OSPREYSAINT
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3:42pm Sun 22 Apr 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Time for brutal honesty...
Fact 1:on the ball we are the best footballing team in this division and quite a bit better than many in the Premier.
Fact 2: Off the ball we are shocking everytime we lose ball even on the edge of our opponents area you sense the opposition could score without our beautiful possession football we could often lose by a cricket score, we do not have the resilience in defence.
Fact 3: we have more possession than anyone we make more chances chances than any one.
Fact 4: we continuosly break down in the last 3rd playing"hopeful
" balls...keep it and start again..
Fact 4: our defenders are the most useless header's of the ball I have ever seen, in attack you should always rely on your big centre halfs and central defenders to hit the target from corners... no the ball goes anywere, usually UP which is even more disturbing in our own defensive areas, a powerful and good directional header of the ball will turn defence to attack and be a goal proposition for every corner, our guy's need serious practice they are shocking, indeed we had many clear cut chances to win against Reading just from corners...
Before anyone get's stroppy read the good and the bad in this post!!
We have the good and the bad, perhaps we could do with some ugly?
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Time for brutal honesty... Fact 1:on the ball we are the best footballing team in this division and quite a bit better than many in the Premier. Fact 2: Off the ball we are shocking everytime we lose ball even on the edge of our opponents area you sense the opposition could score without our beautiful possession football we could often lose by a cricket score, we do not have the resilience in defence. Fact 3: we have more possession than anyone we make more chances chances than any one. Fact 4: we continuosly break down in the last 3rd playing"hopeful " balls...keep it and start again.. Fact 4: our defenders are the most useless header's of the ball I have ever seen, in attack you should always rely on your big centre halfs and central defenders to hit the target from corners... no the ball goes anywere, usually UP which is even more disturbing in our own defensive areas, a powerful and good directional header of the ball will turn defence to attack and be a goal proposition for every corner, our guy's need serious practice they are shocking, indeed we had many clear cut chances to win against Reading just from corners... Before anyone get's stroppy read the good and the bad in this post!![/p][/quote]We have the good and the bad, perhaps we could do with some ugly? OSPREYSAINT
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3:45pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote:
The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine.

It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.
Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.
Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them)

If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten.
Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty".

Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not.

By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided.

Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.
Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.
Wow, what a strange straw man you erect there. Of course I'm not saying that it's OK for refs to get things wrong.

What I'm saying is that they DO get things wrong but it balances out over the season.
In that case let it be on Saturday that we get the benefit of a real howler and I won't complain! Please don't take me seriously I like to tease.....
Not seen you teasing the skunts for along time, you given up on your missionary work? :)
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine. It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.[/p][/quote]Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.[/p][/quote]Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them) If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten. Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty". Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not. By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided. Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.[/p][/quote]Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.[/p][/quote]Wow, what a strange straw man you erect there. Of course I'm not saying that it's OK for refs to get things wrong. What I'm saying is that they DO get things wrong but it balances out over the season.[/p][/quote]In that case let it be on Saturday that we get the benefit of a real howler and I won't complain! Please don't take me seriously I like to tease.....[/p][/quote]Not seen you teasing the skunts for along time, you given up on your missionary work? :) Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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4:00pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Velleity says...

Regardless of decisions yesterday, the important fact you all need to consider is that on Betfair (and I could quote a ton of research that shows Betfair odds reflect the true odds of an occurrence) we are somewhere between 1/12 and 1/9 for promotion.

Yesterday will pale into insignificance when we're up in the prem next year.
Regardless of decisions yesterday, the important fact you all need to consider is that on Betfair (and I could quote a ton of research that shows Betfair odds reflect the true odds of an occurrence) we are somewhere between 1/12 and 1/9 for promotion. Yesterday will pale into insignificance when we're up in the prem next year. Velleity
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4:11pm Sun 22 Apr 12

SAINTS 4 EVER says...

why are we using the ref as an excuse for our poor play this sounds like England supporters and we are better than that we just need to stick by our players but remember there are issues like our defensive midfielders and our defenders who are simply not consistent enough Jose seems to really have gone off seems like he is relying on Jos to do too much.Also what is guly doing does he actually contribute anything to the game we need punch in there.We simply do not close games out we must make our chances count and get the job done
why are we using the ref as an excuse for our poor play this sounds like England supporters and we are better than that we just need to stick by our players but remember there are issues like our defensive midfielders and our defenders who are simply not consistent enough Jose seems to really have gone off seems like he is relying on Jos to do too much.Also what is guly doing does he actually contribute anything to the game we need punch in there.We simply do not close games out we must make our chances count and get the job done SAINTS 4 EVER
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4:59pm Sun 22 Apr 12

David Crook says...

mayfly wrote:
There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman?
I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses.
What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on.
I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what?
Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up.
The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.
Well said
[quote][p][bold]mayfly[/bold] wrote: There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman? I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses. What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on. I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what? Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up. The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.[/p][/quote]Well said David Crook
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5:11pm Sun 22 Apr 12

David Crook says...

Fed up with Adkins,when after we lose a match,he say's to the press,will shall study the video,learn from our mistakes,and move on to the next match,but I am sorry Mr.Adkins after yesterdays result against a poor Middlesborough side you don't seem to.
Fed up with Adkins,when after we lose a match,he say's to the press,will shall study the video,learn from our mistakes,and move on to the next match,but I am sorry Mr.Adkins after yesterdays result against a poor Middlesborough side you don't seem to. David Crook
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5:16pm Sun 22 Apr 12

circa 66 saint says...

in the dark old days of administration and being put in the third league for being naughty, who would believe that 3 years on we would be on the verge of promotion to the prem and not have to rely on someone else to f@ck up.
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON, WE ARE GOING UP, WE DO NOT DO EASY, BUT WE WILL DO IT.
runners up, in my eyes we are still winners and the team will not and have not let us down.
in the dark old days of administration and being put in the third league for being naughty, who would believe that 3 years on we would be on the verge of promotion to the prem and not have to rely on someone else to f@ck up. WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON, WE ARE GOING UP, WE DO NOT DO EASY, BUT WE WILL DO IT. runners up, in my eyes we are still winners and the team will not and have not let us down. circa 66 saint
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5:18pm Sun 22 Apr 12

circa 66 saint says...

circa 66 saint wrote:
in the dark old days of administration and being put in the third league for being naughty, who would believe that 3 years on we would be on the verge of promotion to the prem and not have to rely on someone else to f@ck up.
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON, WE ARE GOING UP, WE DO NOT DO EASY, BUT WE WILL DO IT.
runners up, in my eyes we are still winners and the team will not and have not let us down.
for got to say proud of them no matter what
[quote][p][bold]circa 66 saint[/bold] wrote: in the dark old days of administration and being put in the third league for being naughty, who would believe that 3 years on we would be on the verge of promotion to the prem and not have to rely on someone else to f@ck up. WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON, WE ARE GOING UP, WE DO NOT DO EASY, BUT WE WILL DO IT. runners up, in my eyes we are still winners and the team will not and have not let us down.[/p][/quote]for got to say proud of them no matter what circa 66 saint
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5:21pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Baddesley Bill says...

David Crook wrote:
mayfly wrote:
There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman?
I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses.
What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on.
I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what?
Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up.
The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.
Well said
No...not well said at all. There are 23 other teams in our current league who strive to win every game if they can possibly acheive it. Yes...we are Southampton...but we don't have a god given right to win every game. What we DO have is a good fan base, owners who want to build without breaking the bank, great manager, decent players...and (dare I say it) a positive attitude. The only spanner in the works are the neg heads...get on board..realise that football involves occaisional disappointment...and perhaps we can move forward. There is a banner at SMS that reads "Together We Stand"...there's a tiny minority on here who should try reading it.
[quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mayfly[/bold] wrote: There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman? I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses. What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on. I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what? Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up. The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.[/p][/quote]Well said[/p][/quote]No...not well said at all. There are 23 other teams in our current league who strive to win every game if they can possibly acheive it. Yes...we are Southampton...but we don't have a god given right to win every game. What we DO have is a good fan base, owners who want to build without breaking the bank, great manager, decent players...and (dare I say it) a positive attitude. The only spanner in the works are the neg heads...get on board..realise that football involves occaisional disappointment...and perhaps we can move forward. There is a banner at SMS that reads "Together We Stand"...there's a tiny minority on here who should try reading it. Baddesley Bill
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5:23pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Baddesley Bill says...

David Crook wrote:
Fed up with Adkins,when after we lose a match,he say's to the press,will shall study the video,learn from our mistakes,and move on to the next match,but I am sorry Mr.Adkins after yesterdays result against a poor Middlesborough side you don't seem to.
wum
[quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: Fed up with Adkins,when after we lose a match,he say's to the press,will shall study the video,learn from our mistakes,and move on to the next match,but I am sorry Mr.Adkins after yesterdays result against a poor Middlesborough side you don't seem to.[/p][/quote]wum Baddesley Bill
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5:27pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
David Crook wrote:
mayfly wrote:
There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman?
I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses.
What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on.
I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what?
Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up.
The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.
Well said
No...not well said at all. There are 23 other teams in our current league who strive to win every game if they can possibly acheive it. Yes...we are Southampton...but we don't have a god given right to win every game. What we DO have is a good fan base, owners who want to build without breaking the bank, great manager, decent players...and (dare I say it) a positive attitude. The only spanner in the works are the neg heads...get on board..realise that football involves occaisional disappointment...and perhaps we can move forward. There is a banner at SMS that reads "Together We Stand"...there's a tiny minority on here who should try reading it.
Well said!
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mayfly[/bold] wrote: There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman? I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses. What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on. I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what? Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up. The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.[/p][/quote]Well said[/p][/quote]No...not well said at all. There are 23 other teams in our current league who strive to win every game if they can possibly acheive it. Yes...we are Southampton...but we don't have a god given right to win every game. What we DO have is a good fan base, owners who want to build without breaking the bank, great manager, decent players...and (dare I say it) a positive attitude. The only spanner in the works are the neg heads...get on board..realise that football involves occaisional disappointment...and perhaps we can move forward. There is a banner at SMS that reads "Together We Stand"...there's a tiny minority on here who should try reading it.[/p][/quote]Well said! Strasbourg Saint
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5:34pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Confucious says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
David Crook wrote:
mayfly wrote:
There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman?
I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses.
What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on.
I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what?
Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up.
The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.
Well said
No...not well said at all. There are 23 other teams in our current league who strive to win every game if they can possibly acheive it. Yes...we are Southampton...but we don't have a god given right to win every game. What we DO have is a good fan base, owners who want to build without breaking the bank, great manager, decent players...and (dare I say it) a positive attitude. The only spanner in the works are the neg heads...get on board..realise that football involves occaisional disappointment...and perhaps we can move forward. There is a banner at SMS that reads "Together We Stand"...there's a tiny minority on here who should try reading it.
Well said Bill.

Here we are, a debt free club, on the brink of successive promotions, ahead of many bigger spending clubs and ahead of our own club's 5 year plan - and the pre-match message is we're on a run of 'inept' performances and have no chance in the Prem anyway with these inadequate players and poor playing style.

If you were unlucky enough to be on a lifeboat with these two you might be persuaded to shout "Oh woe is me - we're doomed!" and just jump in to get it over with.

Redarmy1 would be altogether better company.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mayfly[/bold] wrote: There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman? I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses. What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on. I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what? Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up. The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.[/p][/quote]Well said[/p][/quote]No...not well said at all. There are 23 other teams in our current league who strive to win every game if they can possibly acheive it. Yes...we are Southampton...but we don't have a god given right to win every game. What we DO have is a good fan base, owners who want to build without breaking the bank, great manager, decent players...and (dare I say it) a positive attitude. The only spanner in the works are the neg heads...get on board..realise that football involves occaisional disappointment...and perhaps we can move forward. There is a banner at SMS that reads "Together We Stand"...there's a tiny minority on here who should try reading it.[/p][/quote]Well said Bill. Here we are, a debt free club, on the brink of successive promotions, ahead of many bigger spending clubs and ahead of our own club's 5 year plan - and the pre-match message is we're on a run of 'inept' performances and have no chance in the Prem anyway with these inadequate players and poor playing style. If you were unlucky enough to be on a lifeboat with these two you might be persuaded to shout "Oh woe is me - we're doomed!" and just jump in to get it over with. Redarmy1 would be altogether better company. Confucious
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5:39pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
David Crook wrote:
Fed up with Adkins,when after we lose a match,he say's to the press,will shall study the video,learn from our mistakes,and move on to the next match,but I am sorry Mr.Adkins after yesterdays result against a poor Middlesborough side you don't seem to.
wum
Fed up with David Crook, when after we lose a match, he say's on these forums, 'I'm fed up with Adkins', and then criticises our mistakes, and salivates until the next match, but I am sorry Mr.Crook after this posts WUMiness following a lose against a high-riding Middlesborough side left us still one win away you don't seem to ...... understand how incredibly well we've done this season.

(Apologies for the poor grammar and spelling. I'm just emulating Crooks's.)
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: Fed up with Adkins,when after we lose a match,he say's to the press,will shall study the video,learn from our mistakes,and move on to the next match,but I am sorry Mr.Adkins after yesterdays result against a poor Middlesborough side you don't seem to.[/p][/quote]wum[/p][/quote]Fed up with David Crook, when after we lose a match, he say's on these forums, 'I'm fed up with Adkins', and then criticises our mistakes, and salivates until the next match, but I am sorry Mr.Crook after this posts WUMiness following a lose against a high-riding Middlesborough side left us still one win away you don't seem to ...... understand how incredibly well we've done this season. (Apologies for the poor grammar and spelling. I'm just emulating Crooks's.) Strasbourg Saint
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5:55pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Baddesley Bill says...

Confucious wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
David Crook wrote:
mayfly wrote:
There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman?
I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses.
What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on.
I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what?
Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up.
The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.
Well said
No...not well said at all. There are 23 other teams in our current league who strive to win every game if they can possibly acheive it. Yes...we are Southampton...but we don't have a god given right to win every game. What we DO have is a good fan base, owners who want to build without breaking the bank, great manager, decent players...and (dare I say it) a positive attitude. The only spanner in the works are the neg heads...get on board..realise that football involves occaisional disappointment...and perhaps we can move forward. There is a banner at SMS that reads "Together We Stand"...there's a tiny minority on here who should try reading it.
Well said Bill.

Here we are, a debt free club, on the brink of successive promotions, ahead of many bigger spending clubs and ahead of our own club's 5 year plan - and the pre-match message is we're on a run of 'inept' performances and have no chance in the Prem anyway with these inadequate players and poor playing style.

If you were unlucky enough to be on a lifeboat with these two you might be persuaded to shout "Oh woe is me - we're doomed!" and just jump in to get it over with.

Redarmy1 would be altogether better company.
If I was unlucky enough to be cut adrift on a lifeboat with those two....I would have to resort to cannabelism in order to survive (I have a healthy appetite and lord knows how long it would be before we made it to Cowes!) :O)
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mayfly[/bold] wrote: There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman? I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses. What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on. I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what? Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up. The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.[/p][/quote]Well said[/p][/quote]No...not well said at all. There are 23 other teams in our current league who strive to win every game if they can possibly acheive it. Yes...we are Southampton...but we don't have a god given right to win every game. What we DO have is a good fan base, owners who want to build without breaking the bank, great manager, decent players...and (dare I say it) a positive attitude. The only spanner in the works are the neg heads...get on board..realise that football involves occaisional disappointment...and perhaps we can move forward. There is a banner at SMS that reads "Together We Stand"...there's a tiny minority on here who should try reading it.[/p][/quote]Well said Bill. Here we are, a debt free club, on the brink of successive promotions, ahead of many bigger spending clubs and ahead of our own club's 5 year plan - and the pre-match message is we're on a run of 'inept' performances and have no chance in the Prem anyway with these inadequate players and poor playing style. If you were unlucky enough to be on a lifeboat with these two you might be persuaded to shout "Oh woe is me - we're doomed!" and just jump in to get it over with. Redarmy1 would be altogether better company.[/p][/quote]If I was unlucky enough to be cut adrift on a lifeboat with those two....I would have to resort to cannabelism in order to survive (I have a healthy appetite and lord knows how long it would be before we made it to Cowes!) :O) Baddesley Bill
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6:13pm Sun 22 Apr 12

JohnItaly says...

I know this comment will in itself generate some disagreement but oddly enough I think sometimes you can score too early and I suspect that was the problem yesterday. For whatever reasons Saints failed to capitalise on the early goal giving Middlesborough time to rectify the early loss and then they scored at the optimum moment, which swung the game mentally their way. I was not surprised at the final outcome. Saints have three opportunities to secure promotion. One has gone, the second is Monday evening so here's hoping Leicester get a draw at the very least so ensuring next Saturday is party time at St Marys right from the kick-off.
I know this comment will in itself generate some disagreement but oddly enough I think sometimes you can score too early and I suspect that was the problem yesterday. For whatever reasons Saints failed to capitalise on the early goal giving Middlesborough time to rectify the early loss and then they scored at the optimum moment, which swung the game mentally their way. I was not surprised at the final outcome. Saints have three opportunities to secure promotion. One has gone, the second is Monday evening so here's hoping Leicester get a draw at the very least so ensuring next Saturday is party time at St Marys right from the kick-off. JohnItaly
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6:32pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

JohnItaly wrote:
I know this comment will in itself generate some disagreement but oddly enough I think sometimes you can score too early and I suspect that was the problem yesterday. For whatever reasons Saints failed to capitalise on the early goal giving Middlesborough time to rectify the early loss and then they scored at the optimum moment, which swung the game mentally their way. I was not surprised at the final outcome. Saints have three opportunities to secure promotion. One has gone, the second is Monday evening so here's hoping Leicester get a draw at the very least so ensuring next Saturday is party time at St Marys right from the kick-off.
Yes, very true last evening. I think that any scenario (other than, perhaps, a 5+ goal lead) can have a negative psychological impact and an early goal can be a problem. Of course, on another day, an early goal can be followed by another and lead to total domination ....... Peterborough!
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: I know this comment will in itself generate some disagreement but oddly enough I think sometimes you can score too early and I suspect that was the problem yesterday. For whatever reasons Saints failed to capitalise on the early goal giving Middlesborough time to rectify the early loss and then they scored at the optimum moment, which swung the game mentally their way. I was not surprised at the final outcome. Saints have three opportunities to secure promotion. One has gone, the second is Monday evening so here's hoping Leicester get a draw at the very least so ensuring next Saturday is party time at St Marys right from the kick-off.[/p][/quote]Yes, very true last evening. I think that any scenario (other than, perhaps, a 5+ goal lead) can have a negative psychological impact and an early goal can be a problem. Of course, on another day, an early goal can be followed by another and lead to total domination ....... Peterborough! Strasbourg Saint
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7:06pm Sun 22 Apr 12

WobblyCat says...

David Crook wrote:
mayfly wrote:
There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman?
I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses.
What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on.
I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what?
Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up.
The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.
Well said
Yes quite right! I mean we should win every single game shouldn't we, why not? We've spent millions (not quite as much as some tho) and well we have a devine right too!! You 2 are either WUMs or 8 years old! Waaaaahhhhh
[quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mayfly[/bold] wrote: There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman? I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses. What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on. I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what? Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up. The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.[/p][/quote]Well said[/p][/quote]Yes quite right! I mean we should win every single game shouldn't we, why not? We've spent millions (not quite as much as some tho) and well we have a devine right too!! You 2 are either WUMs or 8 years old! Waaaaahhhhh WobblyCat
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7:17pm Sun 22 Apr 12

slugger says...

i love the way we're teasing big fat sam and wham ...... are we being too cruel ?
i love the way we're teasing big fat sam and wham ...... are we being too cruel ? slugger
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7:24pm Sun 22 Apr 12

slugger says...

also i'd like to personaly thank the skunts for making yesterday a little more bearable ....... bye bye ..... bye bye and goodnight .
also i'd like to personaly thank the skunts for making yesterday a little more bearable ....... bye bye ..... bye bye and goodnight . slugger
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7:34pm Sun 22 Apr 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

David Crook wrote:
mayfly wrote:
There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman?
I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses.
What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on.
I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what?
Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up.
The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.
Well said
If you cannot take it, sod off and support a better and historically superior team like Portsmouth FC, or Manchester United, or Liverpool who never lose, you know it makes sense.
[quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mayfly[/bold] wrote: There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman? I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses. What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on. I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what? Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up. The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.[/p][/quote]Well said[/p][/quote]If you cannot take it, sod off and support a better and historically superior team like Portsmouth FC, or Manchester United, or Liverpool who never lose, you know it makes sense. OSPREYSAINT
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7:35pm Sun 22 Apr 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

slugger wrote:
also i'd like to personaly thank the skunts for making yesterday a little more bearable ....... bye bye ..... bye bye and goodnight .
Every cloud has a silver lining! Could be worse, you may have been a Wolves fan......
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: also i'd like to personaly thank the skunts for making yesterday a little more bearable ....... bye bye ..... bye bye and goodnight .[/p][/quote]Every cloud has a silver lining! Could be worse, you may have been a Wolves fan...... OSPREYSAINT
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7:40pm Sun 22 Apr 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
David Crook wrote:
mayfly wrote:
There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman?
I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses.
What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on.
I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what?
Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up.
The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.
Well said
No...not well said at all. There are 23 other teams in our current league who strive to win every game if they can possibly acheive it. Yes...we are Southampton...but we don't have a god given right to win every game. What we DO have is a good fan base, owners who want to build without breaking the bank, great manager, decent players...and (dare I say it) a positive attitude. The only spanner in the works are the neg heads...get on board..realise that football involves occaisional disappointment...and perhaps we can move forward. There is a banner at SMS that reads "Together We Stand"...there's a tiny minority on here who should try reading it.
Careful BB you will be accused of being a "Happy Clapper" next, it may seem minor, but this kind of negativity is infectious and can seriously damage morale and confidence, it won't be long before it filters through to team and they will realise what an ungrateful fan base we really have, how do you think they will take that?
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mayfly[/bold] wrote: There are so many incredibly knowledgeable subscribers to this forum - maybe you can tell me how an immensely talented Southampton FC managed to lose to an extremely average Middleborough FC without using as excuses that single poor decision by the referee and that single poor decision by a linesman? I am still seething over what IMO was another bad performance by Saints and no excuses. What in heaven's name is going on? The midfield seems to completely disappear on a regular basis leaving the strikers with bugger all to work on. I agree with who ever said it: Fonte has become something of a problem of late. Is he not properly fit or what? Doubtless the hard-line few will relish rounding on me for being 'disloyal' but if they are honest this was just not good enough and doesn't deserve better than runners-up. The title has been conceded after two inept performances against Reading and Boro. Life in the Premiership will be a relegation battle from the off unless there are some drastic changes in the playing staff and the style of play.[/p][/quote]Well said[/p][/quote]No...not well said at all. There are 23 other teams in our current league who strive to win every game if they can possibly acheive it. Yes...we are Southampton...but we don't have a god given right to win every game. What we DO have is a good fan base, owners who want to build without breaking the bank, great manager, decent players...and (dare I say it) a positive attitude. The only spanner in the works are the neg heads...get on board..realise that football involves occaisional disappointment...and perhaps we can move forward. There is a banner at SMS that reads "Together We Stand"...there's a tiny minority on here who should try reading it.[/p][/quote]Careful BB you will be accused of being a "Happy Clapper" next, it may seem minor, but this kind of negativity is infectious and can seriously damage morale and confidence, it won't be long before it filters through to team and they will realise what an ungrateful fan base we really have, how do you think they will take that? OSPREYSAINT
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7:54pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

If I was a Liebherr and read some of these posts I might be inclined to take my 33m somewhere else or just spend it on enjoying myself - immensely with that sum!
If I was a Liebherr and read some of these posts I might be inclined to take my 33m somewhere else or just spend it on enjoying myself - immensely with that sum! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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7:58pm Sun 22 Apr 12

slugger says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If I was a Liebherr and read some of these posts I might be inclined to take my 33m somewhere else or just spend it on enjoying myself - immensely with that sum!
know what you mean mate ....... although i'd wager that even the liebherr's could spot a skunt wum by now .
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If I was a Liebherr and read some of these posts I might be inclined to take my 33m somewhere else or just spend it on enjoying myself - immensely with that sum![/p][/quote]know what you mean mate ....... although i'd wager that even the liebherr's could spot a skunt wum by now . slugger
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8:01pm Sun 22 Apr 12

rocketone says...

Was I watching a different game?
We scored in the first minute, we had 8 attempts on goal in the first half and I can't remember how many in the second.
We lost, so what ?
It was an away game against a team who were doing their damndest to get into the play-offs. Mboro played the best they have played in ages and hassled and harrased and did everything they could and Saints gave them a real good go back.
Doomngloom go away and post on another site please, this is the Southern Daily Echo, where Saints fans gather to support their team.
If you do not like Saints , by all means go on the Poopey site and tell them how rubbish we are, if you have a ticket for next week and you are only going to boo Saints or any individual player, then give your ticket to a real supporter who wants to go there and cheer on their team.

SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB support them through thick + thin and sing your hearts out !
Was I watching a different game? We scored in the first minute, we had 8 attempts on goal in the first half and I can't remember how many in the second. We lost, so what ? It was an away game against a team who were doing their damndest to get into the play-offs. Mboro played the best they have played in ages and hassled and harrased and did everything they could and Saints gave them a real good go back. Doomngloom go away and post on another site please, this is the Southern Daily Echo, where Saints fans gather to support their team. If you do not like Saints , by all means go on the Poopey site and tell them how rubbish we are, if you have a ticket for next week and you are only going to boo Saints or any individual player, then give your ticket to a real supporter who wants to go there and cheer on their team. SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB support them through thick + thin and sing your hearts out ! rocketone
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8:06pm Sun 22 Apr 12

slugger says...

rocketone wrote:
Was I watching a different game?
We scored in the first minute, we had 8 attempts on goal in the first half and I can't remember how many in the second.
We lost, so what ?
It was an away game against a team who were doing their damndest to get into the play-offs. Mboro played the best they have played in ages and hassled and harrased and did everything they could and Saints gave them a real good go back.
Doomngloom go away and post on another site please, this is the Southern Daily Echo, where Saints fans gather to support their team.
If you do not like Saints , by all means go on the Poopey site and tell them how rubbish we are, if you have a ticket for next week and you are only going to boo Saints or any individual player, then give your ticket to a real supporter who wants to go there and cheer on their team.

SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB support them through thick + thin and sing your hearts out !
hence the word "supporter" , well said rockstone , i need a ticket ;o)
[quote][p][bold]rocketone[/bold] wrote: Was I watching a different game? We scored in the first minute, we had 8 attempts on goal in the first half and I can't remember how many in the second. We lost, so what ? It was an away game against a team who were doing their damndest to get into the play-offs. Mboro played the best they have played in ages and hassled and harrased and did everything they could and Saints gave them a real good go back. Doomngloom go away and post on another site please, this is the Southern Daily Echo, where Saints fans gather to support their team. If you do not like Saints , by all means go on the Poopey site and tell them how rubbish we are, if you have a ticket for next week and you are only going to boo Saints or any individual player, then give your ticket to a real supporter who wants to go there and cheer on their team. SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB support them through thick + thin and sing your hearts out ![/p][/quote]hence the word "supporter" , well said rockstone , i need a ticket ;o) slugger
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8:12pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Saintjock says...

rocketone wrote:
Was I watching a different game?
We scored in the first minute, we had 8 attempts on goal in the first half and I can't remember how many in the second.
We lost, so what ?
It was an away game against a team who were doing their damndest to get into the play-offs. Mboro played the best they have played in ages and hassled and harrased and did everything they could and Saints gave them a real good go back.
Doomngloom go away and post on another site please, this is the Southern Daily Echo, where Saints fans gather to support their team.
If you do not like Saints , by all means go on the Poopey site and tell them how rubbish we are, if you have a ticket for next week and you are only going to boo Saints or any individual player, then give your ticket to a real supporter who wants to go there and cheer on their team.

SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB support them through thick + thin and sing your hearts out !
Good one rocketone. Too many people losing their heads and quite a few WUMs pretending to.

Let's just try and forget about things for a bit and not wind ourselves up into negative hysteria. We will win on Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]rocketone[/bold] wrote: Was I watching a different game? We scored in the first minute, we had 8 attempts on goal in the first half and I can't remember how many in the second. We lost, so what ? It was an away game against a team who were doing their damndest to get into the play-offs. Mboro played the best they have played in ages and hassled and harrased and did everything they could and Saints gave them a real good go back. Doomngloom go away and post on another site please, this is the Southern Daily Echo, where Saints fans gather to support their team. If you do not like Saints , by all means go on the Poopey site and tell them how rubbish we are, if you have a ticket for next week and you are only going to boo Saints or any individual player, then give your ticket to a real supporter who wants to go there and cheer on their team. SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB support them through thick + thin and sing your hearts out ![/p][/quote]Good one rocketone. Too many people losing their heads and quite a few WUMs pretending to. Let's just try and forget about things for a bit and not wind ourselves up into negative hysteria. We will win on Saturday. Saintjock
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8:18pm Sun 22 Apr 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Well, I have had a look at the match highlights and haven't changed my opinion one iota, the Rickie Lambert "goal" should have stood, the ball at no time went out of play, and the players didn't stop for the whistle, probably couldn't hear it. The Jukebox "goal" offside decision was one of the best decisions in the whole match, unless you see the pitch markings, it should have been imposible to give, but the lino did in fact get it right. That Lala trip, was just that, a tackle from behind preventing a clear goalscoring opportunity, outside of the area but under normal circumstances a yellow, if you have to give the Referee the benefit of the doubt he may not have known who did it, in which case, should have consulted with the lino, it was a crucial decision and basically cost us the game. The rest is history. If decisions even out over the season we deserve a few in the last match.
Well, I have had a look at the match highlights and haven't changed my opinion one iota, the Rickie Lambert "goal" should have stood, the ball at no time went out of play, and the players didn't stop for the whistle, probably couldn't hear it. The Jukebox "goal" offside decision was one of the best decisions in the whole match, unless you see the pitch markings, it should have been imposible to give, but the lino did in fact get it right. That Lala trip, was just that, a tackle from behind preventing a clear goalscoring opportunity, outside of the area but under normal circumstances a yellow, if you have to give the Referee the benefit of the doubt he may not have known who did it, in which case, should have consulted with the lino, it was a crucial decision and basically cost us the game. The rest is history. If decisions even out over the season we deserve a few in the last match. OSPREYSAINT
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8:40pm Sun 22 Apr 12

golddene says...

Just disregard your latest setback and stuff coventry without a doubt you have been the best football team in the championship this season and definitely deserve your place in the prem next year, the south coast deserves a top level side there and that is you we will miss the banter with you but you've earned your right to compete at the highest domestic level as so do your players especially Ricky Lambert and Adam Lallana they have been brilliant for Saints this year and last to be honest, just get the win and don't you dare come back. With a bit of luck and some shrewd investment maybe we can carry on our rivalry at the next level have a great season next year i'll be watching you on MOTD.good luck and in the nicest way don't come back.seagulls
Just disregard your latest setback and stuff coventry without a doubt you have been the best football team in the championship this season and definitely deserve your place in the prem next year, the south coast deserves a top level side there and that is you we will miss the banter with you but you've earned your right to compete at the highest domestic level as so do your players especially Ricky Lambert and Adam Lallana they have been brilliant for Saints this year and last to be honest, just get the win and don't you dare come back. With a bit of luck and some shrewd investment maybe we can carry on our rivalry at the next level have a great season next year i'll be watching you on MOTD.good luck and in the nicest way don't come back.seagulls golddene
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8:47pm Sun 22 Apr 12

golddene says...

ps enjoy your party on Saturday it should be a real cracker
ps enjoy your party on Saturday it should be a real cracker golddene
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9:01pm Sun 22 Apr 12

circa 66 saint says...

we have played better than i would ever have imagined this season. at the start and up to about 10 games i thought great start and we are unlikely to get relegated.15 games in and we are still there, are we over performing NO we are doing what we done the previous season. the squad was basically the same they had played together for a long time and were devastating and i now realised how good we were last season.now this squad have got us to the point of promotion again, each and every one of them.
yes they can have a bad day and not play well but the TEAM are good enough to cover for that,it doesn't always workout but that's life.
now for the prem do not write off any of these guys who many said would struggle in the championship.
it's our's for the taking
we have played better than i would ever have imagined this season. at the start and up to about 10 games i thought great start and we are unlikely to get relegated.15 games in and we are still there, are we over performing NO we are doing what we done the previous season. the squad was basically the same they had played together for a long time and were devastating and i now realised how good we were last season.now this squad have got us to the point of promotion again, each and every one of them. yes they can have a bad day and not play well but the TEAM are good enough to cover for that,it doesn't always workout but that's life. now for the prem do not write off any of these guys who many said would struggle in the championship. it's our's for the taking circa 66 saint
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9:15pm Sun 22 Apr 12

slugger says...

golddene wrote:
Just disregard your latest setback and stuff coventry without a doubt you have been the best football team in the championship this season and definitely deserve your place in the prem next year, the south coast deserves a top level side there and that is you we will miss the banter with you but you've earned your right to compete at the highest domestic level as so do your players especially Ricky Lambert and Adam Lallana they have been brilliant for Saints this year and last to be honest, just get the win and don't you dare come back. With a bit of luck and some shrewd investment maybe we can carry on our rivalry at the next level have a great season next year i'll be watching you on MOTD.good luck and in the nicest way don't come back.seagulls
hey , nice post ....... cheers mush !
[quote][p][bold]golddene[/bold] wrote: Just disregard your latest setback and stuff coventry without a doubt you have been the best football team in the championship this season and definitely deserve your place in the prem next year, the south coast deserves a top level side there and that is you we will miss the banter with you but you've earned your right to compete at the highest domestic level as so do your players especially Ricky Lambert and Adam Lallana they have been brilliant for Saints this year and last to be honest, just get the win and don't you dare come back. With a bit of luck and some shrewd investment maybe we can carry on our rivalry at the next level have a great season next year i'll be watching you on MOTD.good luck and in the nicest way don't come back.seagulls[/p][/quote]hey , nice post ....... cheers mush ! slugger
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9:49pm Sun 22 Apr 12

rob the saint in NZ says...

golddene wrote:
Just disregard your latest setback and stuff coventry without a doubt you have been the best football team in the championship this season and definitely deserve your place in the prem next year, the south coast deserves a top level side there and that is you we will miss the banter with you but you've earned your right to compete at the highest domestic level as so do your players especially Ricky Lambert and Adam Lallana they have been brilliant for Saints this year and last to be honest, just get the win and don't you dare come back. With a bit of luck and some shrewd investment maybe we can carry on our rivalry at the next level have a great season next year i'll be watching you on MOTD.good luck and in the nicest way don't come back.seagulls
Cheers mate.

I hope some of our negative posters read & take note.

We have come so far in such a short space of time (19 months from 21st in League 1 to the verge of the PL), some people just seem to think succes is easy & will just fall into our laps.

This team have worked their socks off over the last two seasons, & standards are being raised all the time. We are being treated to some entertaining, expressive & expansive football with ball playing footballers.

Yes, sometimes we lose, sometimes payers make mistakes (like the refs), but do you really think that by condemning & undermining you will improve things?

Performing well in professional sport is so linked to a positive mind set that I just hope the players never read some of the posts on here (or NC & the Liebherr family).

If you have nothing constructive to say, ever, then I politely suggest at such a crucial stage of the season that you stay away.

Heaven forbid that you should ever get near the players in the dressing room before kick off - they'd either kick your head in, put in a transfer request or commit suicide.

Be grateful for what we have right now after the bad years, celebrate it & support the WHOLE team.

COYR!!!

WE ARE GOING UP!!!
[quote][p][bold]golddene[/bold] wrote: Just disregard your latest setback and stuff coventry without a doubt you have been the best football team in the championship this season and definitely deserve your place in the prem next year, the south coast deserves a top level side there and that is you we will miss the banter with you but you've earned your right to compete at the highest domestic level as so do your players especially Ricky Lambert and Adam Lallana they have been brilliant for Saints this year and last to be honest, just get the win and don't you dare come back. With a bit of luck and some shrewd investment maybe we can carry on our rivalry at the next level have a great season next year i'll be watching you on MOTD.good luck and in the nicest way don't come back.seagulls[/p][/quote]Cheers mate. I hope some of our negative posters read & take note. We have come so far in such a short space of time (19 months from 21st in League 1 to the verge of the PL), some people just seem to think succes is easy & will just fall into our laps. This team have worked their socks off over the last two seasons, & standards are being raised all the time. We are being treated to some entertaining, expressive & expansive football with ball playing footballers. Yes, sometimes we lose, sometimes payers make mistakes (like the refs), but do you really think that by condemning & undermining you will improve things? Performing well in professional sport is so linked to a positive mind set that I just hope the players never read some of the posts on here (or NC & the Liebherr family). If you have nothing constructive to say, ever, then I politely suggest at such a crucial stage of the season that you stay away. Heaven forbid that you should ever get near the players in the dressing room before kick off - they'd either kick your head in, put in a transfer request or commit suicide. Be grateful for what we have right now after the bad years, celebrate it & support the WHOLE team. COYR!!! WE ARE GOING UP!!! rob the saint in NZ
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11:19pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

golddene wrote:
Just disregard your latest setback and stuff coventry without a doubt you have been the best football team in the championship this season and definitely deserve your place in the prem next year, the south coast deserves a top level side there and that is you we will miss the banter with you but you've earned your right to compete at the highest domestic level as so do your players especially Ricky Lambert and Adam Lallana they have been brilliant for Saints this year and last to be honest, just get the win and don't you dare come back. With a bit of luck and some shrewd investment maybe we can carry on our rivalry at the next level have a great season next year i'll be watching you on MOTD.good luck and in the nicest way don't come back.seagulls
Nice one.

Why does it take a fan from another club to sum up what some just can't see, which is that we've had (are having) one hell of a great season.

Goldene (and Gordon, Capt Haddock et al - alas not PressBox or Cookie) it's a pity you've dropped back. The dream ticket would have been a three team Southern promotion.

Let's hope we can pop a few bubblies this week and raise a glass to promotion, decent banter and ongoing friendly (post-PFC) rivalry.
[quote][p][bold]golddene[/bold] wrote: Just disregard your latest setback and stuff coventry without a doubt you have been the best football team in the championship this season and definitely deserve your place in the prem next year, the south coast deserves a top level side there and that is you we will miss the banter with you but you've earned your right to compete at the highest domestic level as so do your players especially Ricky Lambert and Adam Lallana they have been brilliant for Saints this year and last to be honest, just get the win and don't you dare come back. With a bit of luck and some shrewd investment maybe we can carry on our rivalry at the next level have a great season next year i'll be watching you on MOTD.good luck and in the nicest way don't come back.seagulls[/p][/quote]Nice one. Why does it take a fan from another club to sum up what some just can't see, which is that we've had (are having) one hell of a great season. Goldene (and Gordon, Capt Haddock et al - alas not PressBox or Cookie) it's a pity you've dropped back. The dream ticket would have been a three team Southern promotion. Let's hope we can pop a few bubblies this week and raise a glass to promotion, decent banter and ongoing friendly (post-PFC) rivalry. Strasbourg Saint
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11:25pm Sun 22 Apr 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

..... and Circa66 and Rockstone, both spot on, as ever. Great posts.

btw, if you think things are looking up, d4rn right they are ...... not only are we on the verge of a great achievement but, following the first round of the elections here, the French look like they're finally getting rid of Sarky.

As Osprey put it earlier, every cloud ........
..... and Circa66 and Rockstone, both spot on, as ever. Great posts. btw, if you think things are looking up, d4rn right they are ...... not only are we on the verge of a great achievement but, following the first round of the elections here, the French look like they're finally getting rid of Sarky. As Osprey put it earlier, every cloud ........ Strasbourg Saint
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12:56am Mon 23 Apr 12

randre says...

David Crook wrote:
Fed up with Adkins,when after we lose a match,he say's to the press,will shall study the video,learn from our mistakes,and move on to the next match,but I am sorry Mr.Adkins after yesterdays result against a poor Middlesborough side you don't seem to.
Yawn!
[quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: Fed up with Adkins,when after we lose a match,he say's to the press,will shall study the video,learn from our mistakes,and move on to the next match,but I am sorry Mr.Adkins after yesterdays result against a poor Middlesborough side you don't seem to.[/p][/quote]Yawn! randre
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1:04am Mon 23 Apr 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote: The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine. It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.
Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.
Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them) If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten. Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty". Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not. By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided. Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.
Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.
Wow, what a strange straw man you erect there. Of course I'm not saying that it's OK for refs to get things wrong. What I'm saying is that they DO get things wrong but it balances out over the season.
In that case let it be on Saturday that we get the benefit of a real howler and I won't complain! Please don't take me seriously I like to tease.....
Not seen you teasing the skunts for along time, you given up on your missionary work? :)
Job done!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine. It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.[/p][/quote]Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.[/p][/quote]Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them) If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten. Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty". Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not. By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided. Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.[/p][/quote]Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.[/p][/quote]Wow, what a strange straw man you erect there. Of course I'm not saying that it's OK for refs to get things wrong. What I'm saying is that they DO get things wrong but it balances out over the season.[/p][/quote]In that case let it be on Saturday that we get the benefit of a real howler and I won't complain! Please don't take me seriously I like to tease.....[/p][/quote]Not seen you teasing the skunts for along time, you given up on your missionary work? :)[/p][/quote]Job done! OSPREYSAINT
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1:17am Mon 23 Apr 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote: The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine. It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.
Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.
Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them) If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten. Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty". Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not. By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided. Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.
Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.
Wow, what a strange straw man you erect there. Of course I'm not saying that it's OK for refs to get things wrong. What I'm saying is that they DO get things wrong but it balances out over the season.
In that case let it be on Saturday that we get the benefit of a real howler and I won't complain! Please don't take me seriously I like to tease.....
Oh! and by the way my call for technology was give the Referees some help, not to castigate them, the pressures of top level football are great and the responsibility put on a single human are onerous, any assistance to aid them to get their final decison right has to be a good thing and would surely get people off their backs. It didn't even out on Saturday as two howlers were only matched by one tremendous call, that's not a balanced outcome
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: The laws of the game are clear. The ref's decision is final. Good and bad decisions balance out. Remember Fonte being a yard outside the box against Brighton when we got a penalty? You win some, you lose some and over a season you do fine. It's over; move on to the next game and let's win it.[/p][/quote]Cannot accept this argument, if a Referees decison is final, it must therefore be the correct one, the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season, do you think that is fair and good for the game? There are four officials on the pitch,yet it seems only one is allowed to make the decision, this has to change for the good of the game. One senior Official should make the final decision, but it makes no sense when the technology available can be utilised to ensure fair play and decisions that cannot be criticised because the evidence is irrefutable.[/p][/quote]Regarding "the argument that they even out over the Season is tenuous, this, one decision could wreck all of the hard work for the whole of the season" just give it a little attention via a thought experiment (as Einstein used to call them) If the fixture list had been in a different order and Middlesbrough had been the first game of the season, that incident would be forgotten. Imagine a fixture list moreover where the Brighton game was the one we'd played yesterday with that appalling decision on the Fonte "penalty". Would you now be baying for a technology solution? Of course not. By the way, the "one decision" that could wreck the season may have been in the Bristol City match - or some other forgotten loss, but you're fixated on the one yesterday. That's natural (look up "Availability heuristic" if you want to waste half an hour) but misguided. Refs make mistakes. It's not a conspiracy and you really do win some and lose some.[/p][/quote]Yeh, what you said, it was just an opinion, obviously I was out of order, it really is OK for Referees to get wrong then? To put it a different way, I thought Derbys 2nd goal at Nottarf yesterday looked to be as a result of player diving, but it doesn't matter anyway.[/p][/quote]Wow, what a strange straw man you erect there. Of course I'm not saying that it's OK for refs to get things wrong. What I'm saying is that they DO get things wrong but it balances out over the season.[/p][/quote]In that case let it be on Saturday that we get the benefit of a real howler and I won't complain! Please don't take me seriously I like to tease.....[/p][/quote]Oh! and by the way my call for technology was give the Referees some help, not to castigate them, the pressures of top level football are great and the responsibility put on a single human are onerous, any assistance to aid them to get their final decison right has to be a good thing and would surely get people off their backs. It didn't even out on Saturday as two howlers were only matched by one tremendous call, that's not a balanced outcome OSPREYSAINT
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7:33am Mon 23 Apr 12

Oldfan says...

The key here is the referee did not make a mistake that will balance out. Those are borne of human error although I am not sure they do actually balance as it surely depends on the stage of the game and the scoreline at the time? At 0-0 a mistaken last minute penalty has far more affect on the result than one given in the first minute?

But this was not the case in this incident as it was not as such a mistaken decision but a blatant refusal to adminster the laws of the game. It was debatable if the foul was a red card outright or a second yellow card. But it was a card of some sort. Had it been another palyer he would have booked them (look at Fonte) but he bottled it for reasons only he knows. The problem now is it raises question marks not only about his ability but also his honesty (which is critical given what we know about cricket and betting syndicates).

What eventually transpired is Saints best chance of a goal in the second half was lost and apart from Guly's shot they never really troubled the goal again. It is not an excuse for for the defeat but you can bet your life it was a contributary factor.

Now I really do hope Boro do not make the play offs and also that Bates is disciplined.
The key here is the referee did not make a mistake that will balance out. Those are borne of human error although I am not sure they do actually balance as it surely depends on the stage of the game and the scoreline at the time? At 0-0 a mistaken last minute penalty has far more affect on the result than one given in the first minute? But this was not the case in this incident as it was not as such a mistaken decision but a blatant refusal to adminster the laws of the game. It was debatable if the foul was a red card outright or a second yellow card. But it was a card of some sort. Had it been another palyer he would have booked them (look at Fonte) but he bottled it for reasons only he knows. The problem now is it raises question marks not only about his ability but also his honesty (which is critical given what we know about cricket and betting syndicates). What eventually transpired is Saints best chance of a goal in the second half was lost and apart from Guly's shot they never really troubled the goal again. It is not an excuse for for the defeat but you can bet your life it was a contributary factor. Now I really do hope Boro do not make the play offs and also that Bates is disciplined. Oldfan
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8:31am Mon 23 Apr 12

SFCOLDBOY says...

golddene wrote:
Just disregard your latest setback and stuff coventry without a doubt you have been the best football team in the championship this season and definitely deserve your place in the prem next year, the south coast deserves a top level side there and that is you we will miss the banter with you but you've earned your right to compete at the highest domestic level as so do your players especially Ricky Lambert and Adam Lallana they have been brilliant for Saints this year and last to be honest, just get the win and don't you dare come back. With a bit of luck and some shrewd investment maybe we can carry on our rivalry at the next level have a great season next year i'll be watching you on MOTD.good luck and in the nicest way don't come back.seagulls
You are a breath of fresh air.It has got a bit frought here recently as you can imagine.
Thanks for the very positive comments.It's nice to see that opposing supporters understand football and not just blinkered by their own team.
We went to your place this season. The steward close to us was very friendly.
Loved your stadium, padded seating, what luxury.
Sorry to here Pompey "FANS" ripped some up. We had seats ripped out at SMS too.
I recall when talking to the steward he said that with all of the building expansion, anticipated, for the summer,seagulls would not be able to afford to go up.
Looks like he was right.(West Ham game looked a bit strange, totally out of character-- me thinks.).
Anyway good luck for next season, with any luck we'll meet in the Premier the following one.
COYR
[quote][p][bold]golddene[/bold] wrote: Just disregard your latest setback and stuff coventry without a doubt you have been the best football team in the championship this season and definitely deserve your place in the prem next year, the south coast deserves a top level side there and that is you we will miss the banter with you but you've earned your right to compete at the highest domestic level as so do your players especially Ricky Lambert and Adam Lallana they have been brilliant for Saints this year and last to be honest, just get the win and don't you dare come back. With a bit of luck and some shrewd investment maybe we can carry on our rivalry at the next level have a great season next year i'll be watching you on MOTD.good luck and in the nicest way don't come back.seagulls[/p][/quote]You are a breath of fresh air.It has got a bit frought here recently as you can imagine. Thanks for the very positive comments.It's nice to see that opposing supporters understand football and not just blinkered by their own team. We went to your place this season. The steward close to us was very friendly. Loved your stadium, padded seating, what luxury. Sorry to here Pompey "FANS" ripped some up. We had seats ripped out at SMS too. I recall when talking to the steward he said that with all of the building expansion, anticipated, for the summer,seagulls would not be able to afford to go up. Looks like he was right.(West Ham game looked a bit strange, totally out of character-- me thinks.). Anyway good luck for next season, with any luck we'll meet in the Premier the following one. COYR SFCOLDBOY
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9:03am Mon 23 Apr 12

Alicesdad says...

Be calm people.

A little tension is good for the game.

We are going up. We know it, the team knows it, and very very soon the whole world will know it.

Breathe, have a cup of tea, relax. It's in our hands. If Leicester do us a favour tonight that would be fine but we will finish the job in style on Saturday.

On Saturday we will be singing and will take the roof off St Mary's.

Calmness.
Be calm people. A little tension is good for the game. We are going up. We know it, the team knows it, and very very soon the whole world will know it. Breathe, have a cup of tea, relax. It's in our hands. If Leicester do us a favour tonight that would be fine but we will finish the job in style on Saturday. On Saturday we will be singing and will take the roof off St Mary's. Calmness. Alicesdad
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9:17am Mon 23 Apr 12

swiss_saint says...

We should never have our games on Sky sports. Every time we are on the tele we lose. I knew i should have listened to it on the player. Maybe i'm just superstitious but i would be interesting to see our stats from games screened on sky sports
We should never have our games on Sky sports. Every time we are on the tele we lose. I knew i should have listened to it on the player. Maybe i'm just superstitious but i would be interesting to see our stats from games screened on sky sports swiss_saint
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9:31am Mon 23 Apr 12

SaintL-Y says...

Whatever the rights or wrongs of Bates' decision on Saturday, what was absolutely 'crazy' was the stupid reaction of Ricky, Lallana, and Hammond, in 'telling' him to send Hines off. At the time I was screaming at the box to get them to back off. Did you see Bates' face when Ricky just kept on and on.......Sorry, but I think we're better than that and I hope NA dealt with that behind closed doors. Having said that, I think we can see how much this all matters to the players!!!!
Whatever the rights or wrongs of Bates' decision on Saturday, what was absolutely 'crazy' was the stupid reaction of Ricky, Lallana, and Hammond, in 'telling' him to send Hines off. At the time I was screaming at the box to get them to back off. Did you see Bates' face when Ricky just kept on and on.......Sorry, but I think we're better than that and I hope NA dealt with that behind closed doors. Having said that, I think we can see how much this all matters to the players!!!! SaintL-Y
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12:02pm Mon 23 Apr 12

PREMIERSAINTS-FACT says...

Not the end of the world but would have liked to pressure Reading into winning their last game, but whatever will be will be. I am still confident we will do it against relegated Coventry. They will be down in the dumps and reflecting on a bad season, whilst Saints will have the bit between the teeth and will shoot down a demoralised Coventry.
As for the comment above from the skate in spain, why don't you come on and say something atleast half intelligent.
The Referee made mistakes, and like the user said above the refs decision is final, even if it contradicts the actual rules of the game (i.e. player fouled was last man, one on one with the keeper and was just about to shoot at goal/professional foul). Terrible decision, especailly when about 5 minutes after at the other end fonte got a card for tugging the forwards shirt???
I think Saints actually played very well, at one point they knocked the ball around very well, kept it on the deck and it was a pleasure to watch. I do believe if Lallana would have made it 2-0 we would have taken the 3 points, Adkins does say that recurring sentence about moving on blah blah, but hes the manager and the motivator, hes got to keep the boys positive and I think he has done that very well they last few games...
The worst thing is I have had to postone our promotion party till next Saturday but thats OK by me!
Come on Saints!
Not the end of the world but would have liked to pressure Reading into winning their last game, but whatever will be will be. I am still confident we will do it against relegated Coventry. They will be down in the dumps and reflecting on a bad season, whilst Saints will have the bit between the teeth and will shoot down a demoralised Coventry. As for the comment above from the skate in spain, why don't you come on and say something atleast half intelligent. The Referee made mistakes, and like the user said above the refs decision is final, even if it contradicts the actual rules of the game (i.e. player fouled was last man, one on one with the keeper and was just about to shoot at goal/professional foul). Terrible decision, especailly when about 5 minutes after at the other end fonte got a card for tugging the forwards shirt??? I think Saints actually played very well, at one point they knocked the ball around very well, kept it on the deck and it was a pleasure to watch. I do believe if Lallana would have made it 2-0 we would have taken the 3 points, Adkins does say that recurring sentence about moving on blah blah, but hes the manager and the motivator, hes got to keep the boys positive and I think he has done that very well they last few games... The worst thing is I have had to postone our promotion party till next Saturday but thats OK by me! Come on Saints! PREMIERSAINTS-FACT
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12:50pm Mon 23 Apr 12

right back in the bar says...

Bates record of issuing cards should tell whoever administers this side of the game that he is weak and cannot referee at the highest level. I wonder how many of the cards he has actually issued were against away teams. That said the attitude of our lot pointed out above is not in keeping with The Southampton Way and I hope we stamp that out. Good on NA that he did not make a big deal in the post match interview that I saw.
Bates record of issuing cards should tell whoever administers this side of the game that he is weak and cannot referee at the highest level. I wonder how many of the cards he has actually issued were against away teams. That said the attitude of our lot pointed out above is not in keeping with The Southampton Way and I hope we stamp that out. Good on NA that he did not make a big deal in the post match interview that I saw. right back in the bar
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