Premier League rules could force Adkins to wield axe (From Daily Echo)

It will be ok.... we have Lambert and Lallana...
Jos and Jose...
Sharp and Schneider...
And super Kelv!

When blackpool lose in the finals which i hope they dont I would like to sign m phillips or ince. Ince would be good behind front 2

You know that bit in Alan Partridge where the staff at the Linton Travel Tavern ask him if they should book him in for Christmasa dinner and he replied "It's MAY"?

You do? Of course you do. Anyway, that's exactly my reaction to talk about new players or potential weaknesses. We've just achieved a remarkable promotion and we've not done nearly enough celebrating of that fact. It shows, to me, a lack a taste to be talking about new players while the current ones aren't even back from a well deserved holiday.

St Retford wrote:
You know that bit in Alan Partridge where the staff at the Linton Travel Tavern ask him if they should book him in for Christmasa dinner and he replied "It's MAY"?

You do? Of course you do. Anyway, that's exactly my reaction to talk about new players or potential weaknesses. We've just achieved a remarkable promotion and we've not done nearly enough celebrating of that fact. It shows, to me, a lack a taste to be talking about new players while the current ones aren't even back from a well deserved holiday.

But dont forget NA has already said he is going to buy some players and even sharpe has so why can't we discuss?

dunno why the 25 limit is seen as a problem.... add to that 2 or 3 U21s ( which are allowed ) and you have approaching 30 players. given only 11 can play at any one time I don't see a problem.... The thing that did us in last time when we plummeted our of the Prem was too many average players on stupid contracts and clauses.... since the introduction of the squad limit its a lot easier for short-sighted clubs to avoid that mare.... ( although Pompey seemed to manage it somehow ).

Not at all, its speculation and dreams and human nature.

First players under 21, do not have to be registered in the squad to play.

Realism says we will only sign 6 players max.

Jaidi, Connelly, Holmes, Forte, Bart/and or Forecast and one other, will be the ones to go. With our deepest thanks.

Swindon want Holmes who personally I still rate.

Forte has been loaned out.

With Rickie, Sharpe, Lee, Barny, Guly, I do not see DC getting a look in. Though he has been great for us.

Jaidi is retiring.

IMO neither Bart or Forecast are premier league.

max of 25 senior players is not an issue. players under the age of 21 not included in quota

I can name 19 to keep now and add quality new players

Exciting times COYR

He has to do this anyway.
He knows that.
Sentiment has no place in business.
SFC. is no different.
Our fantastic group of players, with very few changes, have taken this club from -10 points in Div 1 to the Prem.
Also collected a trophy along the way.
A fair proportion of these players will prevail because they will be able to step up.
Nigel will already know who will be going.
Rubbish part of his job but that's why he gets the big bucks.
From a supporters point of view, it's a shame some of our heroes will be going.
Thats football.
Evolvolution to be competative but within the rules.
Good luck to all Saints players that will leave us, shortly.
Good hunting Nigel, bring us the new quality players required to continue this great momentum.
COYR.

We definately need a decent no2 keeper.if anything happens to kelv...we are up **** creek without a paddle.

These are the rules and we have to fall in line. At least this rule is fairly clear.

Could somebody explain exactly what the position is regarding player sales and puchases and club debt now??

I hear mention of rules limiting us to a wage structure as a percentage of turnover.

Then there was some mention of wages being restricted according to income.

Then there was something I saw last week about not being able to go over a certain debt limit when you balance out player sales and purhcases.

All I understand is that they are trying to stop clubs getting massive debts and also trying to stop the massive "rich owner" syndrome killing the game overall.

Brain ache !!

If Blackpool don't go up get ince!

Bit of a none story really.. Still loving the feeling that we have got promotion...

Davis
Bart
Fox
Harding
Butterfield
Richardson
Fonte
Jos
Martin
Chaplow
Cork
Lallana
Spiderman
Guly
Lambert
Sharp
Lee
17 in total 8 new signings needed IMO, he will keep more and buy less but just my view on who should stay and all others should go.
U21's
Shaw
Stephens
Ward-Prowse
Hoskins
Sinclair

I have faith in our Manager and Chairman, what ever the decision it will be the right one I'm sure, they have brought us thus far, have they not???

St Retford wrote:
You know that bit in Alan Partridge where the staff at the Linton Travel Tavern ask him if they should book him in for Christmasa dinner and he replied "It's MAY"?

You do? Of course you do. Anyway, that's exactly my reaction to talk about new players or potential weaknesses. We've just achieved a remarkable promotion and we've not done nearly enough celebrating of that fact. It shows, to me, a lack a taste to be talking about new players while the current ones aren't even back from a well deserved holiday.

I don't remember that one but I do remember how he said he was going to celebrate clinching a good sale

That's interesting. That must mean the other Prem teams (see what I said there?) will have to shed players all at once. Might be some bargains about.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
That's interesting. That must mean the other Prem teams (see what I said there?) will have to shed players all at once. Might be some bargains about.

well Stuey ( see what I said there? ) ,,,, Manure lost the Prem title by having too many players. Dropping Welbeck and the diving fairy Young and having Scholes, Rooney and Giggs on the pitch at the same time against City( ridiculous ) was their undoing.. so having too many players sometimes has its problems.. A nice tight squad of quality players and good cover is all we need.... just that small spanner of actually being able to find the new players we need at the correct price, lets hope for some of your bargains.... :0)

St Retford wrote:
You know that bit in Alan Partridge where the staff at the Linton Travel Tavern ask him if they should book him in for Christmasa dinner and he replied "It's MAY"?

You do? Of course you do. Anyway, that's exactly my reaction to talk about new players or potential weaknesses. We've just achieved a remarkable promotion and we've not done nearly enough celebrating of that fact. It shows, to me, a lack a taste to be talking about new players while the current ones aren't even back from a well deserved holiday.

Quite right too. The bloodthirsty ghouls have been on here throughout your holiday screaming for heads to roll. And now we have the Echo talking of Adkins being about to "wield the axe."

But if you think the blokes on here are cruel, you should get down to St Marys. I passed by yesterday and dozens of female fans are assembling on fold-up chairs. They're just like the tricoteuse who gathered at the Place de la Revolution to watch the guillotine fall. Most are just sitting morbidly with their knitting, waiting patiently for a victim, but some are cackling suggested names for the cull..... "Bring out Connolly and Bart!"...."Orf wiv Forte's 'ead...ha ha ha aaargh cackle cackle."

I just hope that one of us has the courage and stealth to become the Scarlet and White Striped Pimpernel.

Never mind all this, go on the Daily Telegraph website and vote for Kelvin and Rickie to get picked for the Euros. Currently they are struggling and they are up against the likes of Darren Bent and Robert green for goodness sake.

simon101 wrote:
Never mind all this, go on the Daily Telegraph website and vote for Kelvin and Rickie to get picked for the Euros. Currently they are struggling and they are up against the likes of Darren Bent and Robert green for goodness sake.

Go 4 it every1, here's da link

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/sport/footbal
l/teams/england/9254
799/Who-should-Engla
nd-manager-Roy-Hodgs
on-select-for-Euro-2
012-squad.html

Response to Alice's Dad
Originally in the Premiership it was 2013. I think it was moved to 2015. This was to allow the major clubs to negate their debts.
Some of which are huge.

I think I am right in saying the following.
1 A club is only allowed to spend its income on wages and players.
2 This includes merchandise, sponsors, gate receipts etc.
3 They cannot borrow from any financial institution or receive gifts and that includes the owner to enhance their squad or wage bill.
4The owner though can invest money in the facilities such as extensions and training facilities.
5 The penalties are
a being banned from Europe
b fines
c transfer embargos

That was the last I heard recently in an article from Michel Platini.
clubs in Europe showed a 21 billion debt at the last accounts.

I personally believe this and no other reason was why Saints debt was turned into share value. So Saints are already in line with proposed FIFA regs.
Once the ruling came in that would not have been possible.

We have seen similar schemes come in at lower league level already. The delay for the top European leagues is because of the massive debt and giving top clubs a chance to clear it.

hope that helps

MGRA wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: That's interesting. That must mean the other Prem teams (see what I said there?) will have to shed players all at once. Might be some bargains about.

well Stuey ( see what I said there? ) ,,,, Manure lost the Prem title by having too many players. Dropping Welbeck and the diving fairy Young and having Scholes, Rooney and Giggs on the pitch at the same time against City( ridiculous ) was their undoing.. so having too many players sometimes has its problems.. A nice tight squad of quality players and good cover is all we need.... just that small spanner of actually being able to find the new players we need at the correct price, lets hope for some of your bargains.... :0)

Manure lost the Prem title by being sh1te (see what I said there?). Honestly, they are woeful. The trouble is that only City and every single foreign team seem to have realised this.

Talking of foreign teams, anyone watch the Europa Final last night? What a game...

This is really exciting times! As stated above, I have full trust in our Nigel and Nicola. Back to back promotions is remarkable, they know what they’re doing.
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Adam Lallana posted a simple Tweet last week that said “I love my team”. In my opinion, a simple but bold statement that echoes that special ingredient of our recent success. These guys will run through brick walls for each other. As the saying goes “Coming together is a beginning; keeping together is progress; working together is success.”
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We need to use our Axe wisely.

As I have said all along players will have to be axed during the summer.I have said and been laughed at that aleast 10 players will be on their way. But it is reality. Blandford Saint has clearly hit the nail on the head by his retained list. However Reeves should be added to the under 21list.
Nigel will in my view do the following: Move for players once play offs are finished. 2 Wait until Premier season is over on Sunday. Keep an eye out for players during the summer Euros as this is a good time to view new players.4 Wait until July 1st when players are out of contract and can be brought in on a Bosman.5 Players such as Holmes and Jadi are contracted until mid night on the 30th of June expect movement the next day. 6 Business begins.7 During the the O games some of the worlds up and coming talent with be in the UK for the football,thus a good chance to window shop. 8 Nigel can the still add to the squad until the 31st of August. This gives him a window of three weeks to view targets playing in the various leagues. 9 Nigel can if necessary buy in January. There's and old saying don't put all your eggs in one basket. Also a good Chairman will always spread his budget as much as he can, and be as creative as he can be. Nicola and Nigel have nothing to prove in that department. The options for additions to the squad is varied. But reality is players will have to go. I understand the budget is about 15 Million which would be prudent spending.

magnette wrote:

simon101 wrote: Never mind all this, go on the Daily Telegraph website and vote for Kelvin and Rickie to get picked for the Euros. Currently they are struggling and they are up against the likes of Darren Bent and Robert green for goodness sake.

Go 4 it every1, here's da link http://www.telegraph .co.uk/sport/footbal l/teams/england/9254 799/Who-should-Engla nd-manager-Roy-Hodgs on-select-for-Euro-2 012-squad.html

Top quality research there, they didn't even spell Kelvin Davis' name right!!

Unless Saints have got a lot more than 15m I can't see 10 going. What you get rid of you have to replace.Which would mean 1.5m average a player, hardly going to be Premiership quality and even less likely to be good Premiership quality.
NA has stated that players coming in have to be better than what we have, Premiership standard.

Several players mentioned by fans are not appreciably better than what we have.
There is also their wages to consider.
Bring in 10 cheap players and what have you got? A relegation squad.
Bring in 4 quality players and a couple of young ones, working with what we have and we will be okay.
The transfer money has not been discussed openly.`So I don't think anyone knows how much there is.

MGRA wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
That's interesting. That must mean the other Prem teams (see what I said there?) will have to shed players all at once. Might be some bargains about.

well Stuey ( see what I said there? ) ,,,, Manure lost the Prem title by having too many players. Dropping Welbeck and the diving fairy Young and having Scholes, Rooney and Giggs on the pitch at the same time against City( ridiculous ) was their undoing.. so having too many players sometimes has its problems.. A nice tight squad of quality players and good cover is all we need.... just that small spanner of actually being able to find the new players we need at the correct price, lets hope for some of your bargains.... :0)

I think the other Prem teams have had some practice at this before Seed to be fair. Can't imagine an exodus of quality players leaving all at once.

And how on earth did you come to that conclusion, MGRA??

I like it when people give there own opinions but I dislike it when people talk absolute garbage. Winning a campaign on Championship Manager does not turn you into Sir Alex Ferguson or Jose Mourinho.

simon101 wrote:
Never mind all this, go on the Daily Telegraph website and vote for Kelvin and Rickie to get picked for the Euros. Currently they are struggling and they are up against the likes of Darren Bent and Robert green for goodness sake.

I don't think this is actually how Woy will be picking his squad, you know.

does anyone have the PFA released players list - i tried to find it on the PFA site, but it wasnt where it used to be, interesting to see who is on it, there are normally one or two quality gems, was thinking what about Joe Lewis the GK for Peterboro he is on a free transfer.

does anyone have the PFA released players list - i tried to find it on the PFA site, but it wasnt where it used to be, interesting to see who is on it, there are normally one or two quality gems, was thinking what about Joe Lewis the GK for Peterboro he is on a free transfer.

Sally Hamilton Original wrote:

St Retford wrote:
You know that bit in Alan Partridge where the staff at the Linton Travel Tavern ask him if they should book him in for Christmasa dinner and he replied "It's MAY"?

You do? Of course you do. Anyway, that's exactly my reaction to talk about new players or potential weaknesses. We've just achieved a remarkable promotion and we've not done nearly enough celebrating of that fact. It shows, to me, a lack a taste to be talking about new players while the current ones aren't even back from a well deserved holiday.

But dont forget NA has already said he is going to buy some players and even sharpe has so why can't we discuss?

Totally agree, SHO.

I will always be grateful to the individual players that contributed to our back-to-back promotions, but the bottom line is this.
I support Southampton Football Club, not individuals.
Players I rate will, in all probability, be released by NA, whilst some I don't rate will be retained. Such is football.
Some players NA wants to keep, as squad players, will move on to clubs where they will be first on the team sheet. Such is football.
Players NA wants to sign, won't sign. Such is football.

Sir Alex Ferguson knows that it is never too soon to replace players, as he has continually done for the last umpteen seasons.
He understands that no matter how good a player has been, in the past, it is the future that is important.

In football, it is never too soon to be considering new players, and if NA ever starts to think like that, then I'm sure NC will already have a replacement in mind for him. Such is football.

Confucious wrote:

St Retford wrote:
You know that bit in Alan Partridge where the staff at the Linton Travel Tavern ask him if they should book him in for Christmasa dinner and he replied "It's MAY"?

You do? Of course you do. Anyway, that's exactly my reaction to talk about new players or potential weaknesses. We've just achieved a remarkable promotion and we've not done nearly enough celebrating of that fact. It shows, to me, a lack a taste to be talking about new players while the current ones aren't even back from a well deserved holiday.

Quite right too. The bloodthirsty ghouls have been on here throughout your holiday screaming for heads to roll. And now we have the Echo talking of Adkins being about to "wield the axe."

But if you think the blokes on here are cruel, you should get down to St Marys. I passed by yesterday and dozens of female fans are assembling on fold-up chairs. They're just like the tricoteuse who gathered at the Place de la Revolution to watch the guillotine fall. Most are just sitting morbidly with their knitting, waiting patiently for a victim, but some are cackling suggested names for the cull..... "Bring out Connolly and Bart!"...."Orf wiv Forte's 'ead...ha ha ha aaargh cackle cackle."

I just hope that one of us has the courage and stealth to become the Scarlet and White Striped Pimpernel.

The Echo scribblers should give up writing about The Saints for the summer, and go and watch Hampshire lose regularly at the Rose Bowl.
"The Family" will soon be dishing out a few horses heads to the unfortunate few, but thats life!!

No one will know anything until it happens, certainly not this fine organ, which is bete noire at SFC...

I can't wait to see Lee playing again next season.

Sally Hamilton Original wrote:

St Retford wrote:
You know that bit in Alan Partridge where the staff at the Linton Travel Tavern ask him if they should book him in for Christmasa dinner and he replied "It's MAY"?

You do? Of course you do. Anyway, that's exactly my reaction to talk about new players or potential weaknesses. We've just achieved a remarkable promotion and we've not done nearly enough celebrating of that fact. It shows, to me, a lack a taste to be talking about new players while the current ones aren't even back from a well deserved holiday.

But dont forget NA has already said he is going to buy some players and even sharpe has so why can't we discuss?

And Seedhouse said last week NA had already been into Europe to watch 3 players since the Coventry game.

A new right back (someone very fast) is a priority for me.

Then a no. 2 goalkeeper - i quite fancy, not in that way, Pompey's goalie (he pulled off sveral world class saves in both games against us this season).

Then a player in the matt philips , ince or jarvis mould to liven things up up front.

+ a back up holding midfielder

NC and NA have not demonstrated any desire to buy several players. I believe we will see 3-4 players added at most. We already added TL and BS. Do agree that we need to buy now and not during the January window. A good start to the year will set us nicely.

It would seem the new rulings start this season reference clubs matching financial responsibilities.
Which clarifies even more why Saints debt was turned to shares.
Anyway interested parties should check UEFA FFP,which is UEFA website and goes through things.
Also the Telegraph shows 2011 accounts of every premier club.
gives some insight.

I just hope we go for a couple of decent European players, not championship hopefuls and premier rejects that will cost around 3-4 mil a time in an over inflated english market.
We are already seeing some championship players with silly price tags.

Nigel is very LOYAL to his Squad of Players which is commendable.

(It is also his weakness - IMO)

I predict only a handful of players (if that) will come in - so there will be no AXE.

LOL :O) That's far too violent !!!

Quality Players vs Finances.

IN NIGEL AND NICOLA WE TRUST.

RED ARMY 2012. WE RULE THE SOUTH.

THE PRIDE AND THE PASSION.

SouthamptonLegend wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
That's interesting. That must mean the other Prem teams (see what I said there?) will have to shed players all at once. Might be some bargains about.

well Stuey ( see what I said there? ) ,,,, Manure lost the Prem title by having too many players. Dropping Welbeck and the diving fairy Young and having Scholes, Rooney and Giggs on the pitch at the same time against City( ridiculous ) was their undoing.. so having too many players sometimes has its problems.. A nice tight squad of quality players and good cover is all we need.... just that small spanner of actually being able to find the new players we need at the correct price, lets hope for some of your bargains.... :0)

I think the other Prem teams have had some practice at this before Seed to be fair. Can't imagine an exodus of quality players leaving all at once.

And how on earth did you come to that conclusion, MGRA??

I like it when people give there own opinions but I dislike it when people talk absolute garbage. Winning a campaign on Championship Manager does not turn you into Sir Alex Ferguson or Jose Mourinho.

love your blinkered view... and envy your simple take on life. I came to that conclusion after listening to Gary Neville, Paul Merson, Mancini and Dowie....Oh and I used my eyes whilst watching the game on TV.... What they said made perfect sense and agreed with game as I saw it. So disagree with the Premier League winning manager to be, and professional pundits if you like, but I guess your xbox soccer time has elevated you to a legend in your mind !! ;-)

Players like Dickson, Forte and Forecast played little or no football for us last season. Why keep them? There are players who were bought in League One, like Barnard, who aren't Premier League players. It's pointless being sentimental.

RedArmy1 wrote:
Nigel is very LOYAL to his Squad of Players which is commendable.

(It is also his weakness - IMO)

I predict only a handful of players (if that) will come in - so there will be no AXE.

LOL :O) That's far too violent !!!

Quality Players vs Finances.

IN NIGEL AND NICOLA WE TRUST.

RED ARMY 2012. WE RULE THE SOUTH.

THE PRIDE AND THE PASSION.

He can be loyal and also be realistic. I think several players would have been given an honest picture through-out the season as to how he sees them fitting into the bigger picture. There must be 3 or 4 players who certainly know they are not going to be kept on.. I think there may also be 1 or 2 surprise departures due to offers from other clubs. Don't be surprised to see a player go who we all maybe assumed would stay and be part of the fabric next season, if the price is right then we will sell. Thankfully at the stage of their careers,,, I can't see Kelvin or Sir Ricky being in that situation and for me they are the most important two players in the club at present.

I think you can forget Whittingham. Cardiff have just announced 100m investment for next season to help get them to the premier league.

Lol and why would we sell any player we want to keep? We do not need to for a start. Most have just signed 3-4 year contracts. No player is looking to move MGRA.

I've now been convinced by posters on here that we need to weed out the weaker players and, in particular, inject more pace into the squad. In fact it's making me wonder if I was right after all to criticise Lowe's controversial method for doing this.

This did of course involve the 'Turd Chicken' test. Lowe climbed to a high branch of a Staplewood tree, took his pants down and prepared to dump from 40ft. Beneath him the players were forced to huddle in a tight group and await the chairman's log. The first to run was declared 'chicken' and therefore 'out'.

I think this method could stand in principle, but perhaps in addition, any player who actually gets splattered should also be 'out' on account of being too slow.

My calculations show that a player of Prem league quality could allow a falling turd of approx eight ounces (accelerating to 10ft per second) get to within 9ft of him before doing a runner (14ft for a soft/sprayed/fragmen
ted deposit). A Championship player would need to run at 14ft proximity of the brown missile to get clear.

These are rough figures but with the sophisticated sports technology available at the club they could be refined to provide remarkably accurate results - including minute adjustments for a f@rt propelled log.

For the sake of supporter confidence, I also think transparency is needed here and the whole thing should be open for fans to see at St Marys - though noisy expressions of support or otherwise should not be allowed. The emerging log should also be shown on the large screen as it would not otherwise be immediately visible to spectators who would need to be able to judge the precise timing of the players' panic.

The Squad can they cut it in the Prem we need major surgery just to survive where you ask its bleeding obivious you clowns midfield and on the flanks!!

Ashley Charles Pragnell wrote:
As I have said all along players will have to be axed during the summer.I have said and been laughed at that aleast 10 players will be on their way. But it is reality. Blandford Saint has clearly hit the nail on the head by his retained list. However Reeves should be added to the under 21list.
Nigel will in my view do the following: Move for players once play offs are finished. 2 Wait until Premier season is over on Sunday. Keep an eye out for players during the summer Euros as this is a good time to view new players.4 Wait until July 1st when players are out of contract and can be brought in on a Bosman.5 Players such as Holmes and Jadi are contracted until mid night on the 30th of June expect movement the next day. 6 Business begins.7 During the the O games some of the worlds up and coming talent with be in the UK for the football,thus a good chance to window shop. 8 Nigel can the still add to the squad until the 31st of August. This gives him a window of three weeks to view targets playing in the various leagues. 9 Nigel can if necessary buy in January. There's and old saying don't put all your eggs in one basket. Also a good Chairman will always spread his budget as much as he can, and be as creative as he can be. Nicola and Nigel have nothing to prove in that department. The options for additions to the squad is varied. But reality is players will have to go. I understand the budget is about 15 Million which would be prudent spending.

Thankyou so much for mentioning Reeves! I wondered where he was in that list! Also, I can't see (personally) why everyone keeps drooping Championship goalies names into the mix. I don't think we need to be looking there. We need out of contract Prem players. 2nd goalie and fill out our right side (mid and def) and we should be sorted

milton road wrote:
I think you can forget Whittingham. Cardiff have just announced 100m investment for next season to help get them to the premier league.

Lol and why would we sell any player we want to keep? We do not need to for a start. Most have just signed 3-4 year contracts. No player is looking to move MGRA.

players don't have to be looking to move... If an offer comes in and all parties like it then it becomes a done deal... Also there are many occassions where cash plus player is involved... its a possibility...

Most goals let in came from casual marking at LB, with Hooey having to cover LB and CB at times. A new left back to compete with Harding. Fox leaves gaping holes in defence as does Lallana, I think Fox is good though, and should compete with Lallana for LMF/LW.
Fonte's charge forward for the 2nd(?) goal at Coventry, is something Saints rarely do. They need to sign someone who can do that on a regular basis from MF.

It's not a problem. Thanks to the squad players but only half a dozen are up to the standard required anyway so I was hoping for a purge. Hammond, Harding, Butterfield, Holmes, Dickson, Seaborne, Guly, etc. thanks for your efforts.

When Lally tweeted I love my team I hope he wasn't just on about his fantasy 11 :)