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New signing Davis refused Saints clearance
3:44pm Monday 9th July 2012 in Sport
By Adam Leitch, Chief Sports Writer
Steven Davis
New Saints signing Steven Davis has been refused international clearance to join the club.
Davis was one of a number of players at Glasgow Rangers who refused to have their contracts transferred to a newco Rangers, and therefore felt able to leave on a free with their deals effectively terminated.
The Northern Ireland captain agreed a three year deal to move to St Mary’s, but the SFA have refused to grant the required international clearance for the switch to be ratified.
The SFA have to contact the selling club to get their agreement for the transfer and Rangers have objected to the move of Davis, and several of his former colleagues who have also agreed deals to join other clubs after leaving the beleaguered Ibrox outfit.
Saints are able to appeal to FIFA for a temporary licence so Davis can remain with the club while the world governing body make a ruling on the situation.
When contacted by the Daily Echo, Rangers confirmed: “The SFA have already confirmed that they will not release an International Transfer Certificate to any National Association that requests it and have referred the matter to FIFA.”
Comments(79)
Mush On The Beach
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3:47pm Mon 9 Jul 12
OSPREYSAINT
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3:53pm Mon 9 Jul 12
mattboy111
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3:56pm Mon 9 Jul 12
StParks
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4:00pm Mon 9 Jul 12
priesters
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4:08pm Mon 9 Jul 12
Saint Anthony
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4:10pm Mon 9 Jul 12
jonny-shuttle
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4:12pm Mon 9 Jul 12
graeme37
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4:13pm Mon 9 Jul 12
dopplershift
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4:15pm Mon 9 Jul 12
Farawaysaint
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4:17pm Mon 9 Jul 12
In addition,apart from the fact that his employment contract was with a now defunct company,the new entity cannot guarantee him the standard of football he was used that paid a salary at that standard.
I don't think that Saints have a problem and that their legal eagles will have thought this through.
Farawaysaint
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4:17pm Mon 9 Jul 12
In addition,apart from the fact that his employment contract was with a now defunct company,the new entity cannot guarantee him the standard of football he was used that paid a salary at that standard.
I don't think that Saints have a problem and that their legal eagles will have thought this through.
montecristosaint
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4:18pm Mon 9 Jul 12
Confucious
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4:22pm Mon 9 Jul 12
Mush On The Beach
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4:27pm Mon 9 Jul 12
Farawaysaint wrote:You’d think so wouldn’t you?
Surety there is no case to stop Davis joining Saints as the entity he was employed by has ceased to trade and futher cannot continue to employ him in the previous manner that he was used to.
In addition,apart from the fact that his employment contract was with a now defunct company,the new entity cannot guarantee him the standard of football he was used that paid a salary at that standard.
I don't think that Saints have a problem and that their legal eagles will have thought this through.
8 words to worry you though ..... FIFA, Platini, Blatter, Goal Line Technology, Speedy Resolution.
saint Compo
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4:28pm Mon 9 Jul 12
The other matter is whether Rangers FC are entitled to a transfer fee. This will depend on Davis's contract and on FIFA/SFA etc rules.
Folkestone Saint
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4:44pm Mon 9 Jul 12
Jesus_02
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4:54pm Mon 9 Jul 12
A bit like when, the league insisted saints where in administration and we nearly didn’t get the an agreement to play in the league because we couldn’t provide we had come out of administration because we hadn’t actually gone into administration!
As usual, the football bodies will have to make something up. I imagine that it may involve minimal fee's changing hands too smooth everyone’s feathers. Maybe some white pudding and a deep fried Mars bar or two.
under the tap
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4:55pm Mon 9 Jul 12
Baddesley Bill
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4:57pm Mon 9 Jul 12
paulmsh
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4:58pm Mon 9 Jul 12
Over the Edge
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4:59pm Mon 9 Jul 12
They gave SPL clubs the veto on Rangers (newco) remaining in the SPL, the other clubs kicked them out of the SPL, then they are allowing the SL clubs too veto which league Rangers newco can join, which will probably be the third tier of Scottish football.
Then the SFA expect the players who have not been TUPE'd over to Rangers newco to remain with them, absolutely pathetic.
This is going to get interesting, employment law will be bought into it, I'm pretty sure that anyone (including the tea lady) who has not signed for the newco or been TUPE'd across to the newco are to able leave any company as they're without a contract.
Clearly the SFA are now trying block players leaving Rangers newco, which I don't think they can do.
By passing it to FIFA they are passing the buck as well, all of this situation with Rangers newco so far has shown the SFA cannot or will not make a decision.
Once Blatter and his cronies gets hold of it a decision will take ages, leaving all the players and potential purchasing clubs in limbo.
I feel a test case coming on, hopefully the court of sporting arbitration will be on stand by to sort this mess the SFA have allowed to happen out.
dopplershift
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4:59pm Mon 9 Jul 12
Confucious wrote:More of a case of Burke's Law!
I think this could be a case of Murphy's Law coming into play. I remember things going unexpectedly awry in a Portsmouth courtroom a few years ago when a man who was definitely guilty of serial incest got off Scot free. Half the jury didn't know what the crime was and the other half were doing it.
Over the Edge
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5:03pm Mon 9 Jul 12
montecristosaint wrote:Nothing to do with the normal international clearance procedures which are only used for players coming to England from countries outside to EU, this is an employment issue, not a footballing one, IMO
Davis is Northern Irish what the hell has international clearance got to do with them surely not as he is not a scot.When a player is transferred internationally clearance is obtained from his governing body and in Davis's case that is Northern ireland.Or are these not the basic rules?
arthur dalyrimple
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5:22pm Mon 9 Jul 12
Ach I The Noo
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5:22pm Mon 9 Jul 12
under the tap wrote:Pity it's an ENGLISH CHAIRMAN & an IRISHMAN involved eh ?
SAD- Buggers the Jocks - want everything there way!!!
Sorta f's up your theory......
Ach I The Noo
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5:24pm Mon 9 Jul 12
Warned you about this ages ago.
And about Hooper.....
Wanna hear about a new goalkeeper..........
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billythesaint
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5:25pm Mon 9 Jul 12
SaintMax
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5:38pm Mon 9 Jul 12
So you leave...? Simples.
Jannersaint
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5:56pm Mon 9 Jul 12
anderoo
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6:13pm Mon 9 Jul 12
SaintMax wrote:Agree totally, and surely the old Rangers FC were in breach of contract when they didnt pay the wages. I do recall the Skunts were in the same position when they couldnt pay players wages.....players were able to walk away and join new clubs
You join a company and are contracted to do a job which you are skilled at. That company goes into administration and they cant pay you anywhere near what you both signed for in the contract, and your working conditions are nowhere as good as you signed up for or expect for a person with your skills.
So you leave...? Simples.
Saint.
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6:30pm Mon 9 Jul 12
Note also to all those who think contracts/signings shouldn't take so long to do.
Where in safe hands with NC!
Fatty x Ford Worker
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6:45pm Mon 9 Jul 12
dadofmy3sons
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7:00pm Mon 9 Jul 12
The situation is that all Rangers asked was that players transferred to the newco and then they would allow them to transfer at a very low figure, in the case of Steve Davis the figure is about 1.6m.
Personnally I believe that is a very reasonable figure for an extremely good player.
What is now happening is that the Scottish F.A. have been asked by Rangers not to release the international clearance that is required in any and all transfers, until they have been able to negotiate some sort of fee for any player who wishes to leave.
Norwich have paid a fee for Robert Fleck and the transfer has gone through.
This transfer will happen, after some sort of negotiation, and I imagine that Saints were well aware that this would be the case and have prepared accordingly.
dadofmy3sons
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7:02pm Mon 9 Jul 12
very curious !
And yes ....go back and get McGregor, an excellent keeper.
leosaint
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7:17pm Mon 9 Jul 12
leosaint
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7:18pm Mon 9 Jul 12
leosaint wrote:Thaa nhoud read SITE
Every soie on the net has reported on this with one exception,the OS.Why?
stu the saint
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7:27pm Mon 9 Jul 12
saint robbie
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7:29pm Mon 9 Jul 12
dadofmy3sons wrote:I appreciate youre a Rangers fan, however why should Rangers newco profit out of any player sales? Surely any money should be given to HMRC, Other creditors or anyone else that was stitched up when the newco deal was done.
As I commented on Saturday, I am a Rangers fan as well as a Saints fan(long story) . I hoped that Saints would offer some sort of compensation as Rangers really are deep in the doodoo. The situation is that all Rangers asked was that players transferred to the newco and then they would allow them to transfer at a very low figure, in the case of Steve Davis the figure is about 1.6m. Personnally I believe that is a very reasonable figure for an extremely good player. What is now happening is that the Scottish F.A. have been asked by Rangers not to release the international clearance that is required in any and all transfers, until they have been able to negotiate some sort of fee for any player who wishes to leave. Norwich have paid a fee for Robert Fleck and the transfer has gone through. This transfer will happen, after some sort of negotiation, and I imagine that Saints were well aware that this would be the case and have prepared accordingly.
I personally cant see Mr Cortese paying any money if he dosent have to, and rightly so.
dadofmy3sons
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7:41pm Mon 9 Jul 12
the general opinion is that tough on Rangers but so what !
My point is that all these players were offered a get out that favoured the players and was extremely generous. Rangers are skint and would have sold Steve to us no problem.
Currently they have a squad that is extremely thin and no money to replace the players who have left, much the same situation as Poopey.
Sympathy is rare, most other Scottish clubs are gloating at the demise and slapping each other on the back at getting them chucked out od the SPL.
The most often repeated phrase is "sporting integrity".
Now that Rangers have said they want to go to the 3rd league and the tv money will be affected, these clubs are not quite so sure as they will lose a small fortune and now they want Rangers in div 1 .
Whatever league they end up in they need players or money to buy them.
It is my expectation that Saints new all this and have done the first part of the transfer knowing that a small compensation will be due.
When they know how much I bet they go back and get McGregor.
Different topic, Brum goalkeeping coach has joined Norwich and they think that they could persuade Butland to join even with Ruddy there !
truelysaints
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7:47pm Mon 9 Jul 12
thinklikealocal
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7:55pm Mon 9 Jul 12
mattboy111 wrote:A finance man, hmm, pot, kettle?
If Saints did not know this when they 'did the deal' or thought it would 'go away' then they have been unbelievably naive in the whole situation. It has been all over the press and was the first thing that went into my head when i saw he signed. Our lawyers must either be confident it will be overturned or they are negligent in my opinion - but i am a finance man so always have a slightly dim view of lawyers!
tugboat
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8:04pm Mon 9 Jul 12
Temporary clearance can be granted by FIFA to allow them to play while others argue the toss.
He,s our player,and no-one can blame green for trying to get some compo-but cant see that happening.
Paperwork needs to be signed by old rangers before a player can be allowed to leave (normally),but soon they wont exist so the contracts are null and void unless a player agrees to transfer it,they have been told legally they dont have to.
Chill
slugger
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8:13pm Mon 9 Jul 12
Confucious
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8:38pm Mon 9 Jul 12
mattboy111 wrote:To be fair, 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
If Saints did not know this when they 'did the deal' or thought it would 'go away' then they have been unbelievably naive in the whole situation. It has been all over the press and was the first thing that went into my head when i saw he signed. Our lawyers must either be confident it will be overturned or they are negligent in my opinion - but i am a finance man so always have a slightly dim view of lawyers!
Esteban09
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8:39pm Mon 9 Jul 12
mattboy111 wrote:If you're a finance man you should understand calculated risk. Saints have clearly come to the view that they would rather risk going through this process than lose a very good player to another club. For all we know this could be overturned by FIFA well before the season starts and if that happens and we'd passed up the chance we'd be kicking ourselves. I think maybe you should give the club and it's lawyers a bit more credit, they're smarter than you.
If Saints did not know this when they 'did the deal' or thought it would 'go away' then they have been unbelievably naive in the whole situation. It has been all over the press and was the first thing that went into my head when i saw he signed. Our lawyers must either be confident it will be overturned or they are negligent in my opinion - but i am a finance man so always have a slightly dim view of lawyers!
notaclue
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8:45pm Mon 9 Jul 12
dadofmy3sons
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8:54pm Mon 9 Jul 12
saint robbie wrote:HMRC wouldn't get the money, they stopped the CVA so that they can hunt down the real villains in this.
dadofmy3sons wrote:I appreciate youre a Rangers fan, however why should Rangers newco profit out of any player sales? Surely any money should be given to HMRC, Other creditors or anyone else that was stitched up when the newco deal was done.
As I commented on Saturday, I am a Rangers fan as well as a Saints fan(long story) . I hoped that Saints would offer some sort of compensation as Rangers really are deep in the doodoo. The situation is that all Rangers asked was that players transferred to the newco and then they would allow them to transfer at a very low figure, in the case of Steve Davis the figure is about 1.6m. Personnally I believe that is a very reasonable figure for an extremely good player. What is now happening is that the Scottish F.A. have been asked by Rangers not to release the international clearance that is required in any and all transfers, until they have been able to negotiate some sort of fee for any player who wishes to leave. Norwich have paid a fee for Robert Fleck and the transfer has gone through. This transfer will happen, after some sort of negotiation, and I imagine that Saints were well aware that this would be the case and have prepared accordingly.
I personally cant see Mr Cortese paying any money if he dosent have to, and rightly so.
I hope they get the culprits and then go after a few more.
Poopey previous management beware ! !
dadofmy3sons
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8:56pm Mon 9 Jul 12
slugger wrote:I bought my season ticket online last week and still haven't received it in the post.
as a season ticket holder i don't think it's a problem ...... chill guys n gals !
How did you do yours and have you got it ?
puppy saint
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9:01pm Mon 9 Jul 12
Baddesley Bill
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9:23pm Mon 9 Jul 12
puppy saint wrote:How very dare you...Kate Humble's beaver shots have kept me going on many a lonely night (I love Springwatch)...as a fellow STH, I suggest you either reconsider your opinion or have your ticket revoked and revert to the status of a mere non-season ticket holder.
Has anyone else developed a completely irrational dislike for Kate Humble? I expect an answer because I am a season ticket holder and, therefore, important.
seventh-junction
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9:25pm Mon 9 Jul 12
puppy saint wrote:Yes I must agree I have a weird sense of growing contempt for KH which I also find bemusedly irrational. I would also like to add that I am also a season ticket holder and echo your self indulging sense of importance....which is rather encouraging and totally acceptable.
Has anyone else developed a completely irrational dislike for Kate Humble? I expect an answer because I am a season ticket holder and, therefore, important.
You have my answer fellow STH.
slugger
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10:13pm Mon 9 Jul 12
dadofmy3sons wrote:i sent my brother to pick it up , yes i have got it ........ i think the echo should do an exclusive season ticket holders thread .
slugger wrote: as a season ticket holder i don't think it's a problem ...... chill guys n gals !I bought my season ticket online last week and still haven't received it in the post. How did you do yours and have you got it ?
Optimist
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10:26pm Mon 9 Jul 12
olddellsaint
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10:30pm Mon 9 Jul 12
dadofmy3sons wrote:I said this in a thread the day he signed, that rangers will seek some sort of compensation for him and who ever else that leaves the club.
As I commented on Saturday, I am a Rangers fan as well as a Saints fan(long story) . I hoped that Saints would offer some sort of compensation as Rangers really are deep in the doodoo.
The situation is that all Rangers asked was that players transferred to the newco and then they would allow them to transfer at a very low figure, in the case of Steve Davis the figure is about 1.6m.
Personnally I believe that is a very reasonable figure for an extremely good player.
What is now happening is that the Scottish F.A. have been asked by Rangers not to release the international clearance that is required in any and all transfers, until they have been able to negotiate some sort of fee for any player who wishes to leave.
Norwich have paid a fee for Robert Fleck and the transfer has gone through.
This transfer will happen, after some sort of negotiation, and I imagine that Saints were well aware that this would be the case and have prepared accordingly.
I personally think the 'newco' lot haven't a leg to stand on, anyway I hope they become bottom of the Scottish 3rd Div
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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10:53pm Mon 9 Jul 12
seventh-junction wrote:I have two. I double your sentiments :)
puppy saint wrote:Yes I must agree I have a weird sense of growing contempt for KH which I also find bemusedly irrational. I would also like to add that I am also a season ticket holder and echo your self indulging sense of importance....which is rather encouraging and totally acceptable.
Has anyone else developed a completely irrational dislike for Kate Humble? I expect an answer because I am a season ticket holder and, therefore, important.
You have my answer fellow STH.
What's happened to the skunts? Last I heard they had no money, couldn't get rid of high earners, had no money and were faced with liquidisation or being taken over by a bloke who wants to strip every penny or a bunch of infighting fans and had no money. That was weeks ago, whats the score now?
Strasbourg Saint
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10:57pm Mon 9 Jul 12
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:Much the same, the only difference is that, now, they have no money!
seventh-junction wrote:I have two. I double your sentiments :)
puppy saint wrote:Yes I must agree I have a weird sense of growing contempt for KH which I also find bemusedly irrational. I would also like to add that I am also a season ticket holder and echo your self indulging sense of importance....which is rather encouraging and totally acceptable.
Has anyone else developed a completely irrational dislike for Kate Humble? I expect an answer because I am a season ticket holder and, therefore, important.
You have my answer fellow STH.
What's happened to the skunts? Last I heard they had no money, couldn't get rid of high earners, had no money and were faced with liquidisation or being taken over by a bloke who wants to strip every penny or a bunch of infighting fans and had no money. That was weeks ago, whats the score now?
Strasbourg Saint
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10:59pm Mon 9 Jul 12
paulmsh wrote:If that were to happen, the Don, NA and Steven Davis would all be welcome at mine for a few nights.
Looks like all concerned are just setting our their position ahead of the bargaining. The SFA = The old firm and they understandably would like to see some cash for the player, but in the mean time Saints secure Steven's signature ahead of rival bids and the player can train. If FIFA don't let him play, then he can take them to the European Court of Human Rights. They'll get it sorted out in no time.
I'll go and get the spare room sorted just in case.
business-guru
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11:41pm Mon 9 Jul 12
Saint. wrote:you seem to have homo-erotic leanings with poor old NC,,, calm down, anyone can make a mistake.... ;-)
Simply NC is our boss, and I'm 100 percent sure that NC would be absolutely sure were the club stand legally before any contract is signed!
Note also to all those who think contracts/signings shouldn't take so long to do.
Where in safe hands with NC!
nannupsaint
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2:37am Tue 10 Jul 12
billythesaint wrote:How is this 'all of a sudden'? The component nations of the UK have had their own Football Associations and entered their own football teams in international competitions since forever.
And to think Rangers and Celtic felt they had some sort of right to join the Premier League not so long ago! Sour grapes, this one. And why all of a sudden Scotland and Northern Ireland are seen as International yet both are part of the UK? Me no likey. Me no understandy.
truelysaints
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7:59am Tue 10 Jul 12
billythesaint wrote:
And to think Rangers and Celtic felt they had some sort of right to join the Premier League not so long ago! Sour grapes, this one. And why all of a sudden Scotland and Northern Ireland are seen as International yet both are part of the UK? Me no likey. Me no understandy.How is this 'all of a sudden'? The component nations of the UKBillysaints, what football planet have you been living on? Why should Celtic or Rangers not have aspired to joining the Premier League. Cardiff and Swansea have so what's the difference?
fritzer
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8:13am Tue 10 Jul 12
SaintMax wrote:I totally agree with you "Max" the same thing happend to myself when working on Oil Rigs as a diver,we all told the new company to "RAM IT" and went to other rigs, I cant see any difference in this crazy situation as the Newmob can not continue to maintain the life style of these players, any previous contract just aint worth the paper that its written on and automatically becomes nil in void,defuct,and nfg. Should also take into cosideration that these guys have a very limited playing career as at 30ish they are classed as "over the hill" Saints lawyers wont have any problem fighting this one it will just take up some valuable time.
You join a company and are contracted to do a job which you are skilled at. That company goes into administration and they cant pay you anywhere near what you both signed for in the contract, and your working conditions are nowhere as good as you signed up for or expect for a person with your skills.
So you leave...? Simples.
franiow
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8:56am Tue 10 Jul 12
Shoong
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10:38am Tue 10 Jul 12
franiow
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10:54am Tue 10 Jul 12
dadofmy3sons
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12:10pm Tue 10 Jul 12
"The PFA Scotland solicitor, Margaret Gribbon, said: "It is no surprise. There are objections from Rangers plc and the newco. We knew it was going to happen. They were always going to do that and there is a process that now has to be followed.""
so Saints were almost certain to have known and just got him before anyone else made a move !
Go back and get the goalkeeper McGregor, he wants to leave, we want a goalie = marriage made in heaven !
lowe esteem
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12:12pm Tue 10 Jul 12
nannupsaint wrote: billythesaint wrote: And to think Rangers and Celtic felt they had some sort of right to join the Premier League not so long ago! Sour grapes, this one. And why all of a sudden Scotland and Northern Ireland are seen as International yet both are part of the UK? Me no likey. Me no understandy.How is this 'all of a sudden'? The component nations of the UKBillysaints, what football planet have you been living on? Why should Celtic or Rangers not have aspired to joining the Premier League. Cardiff and Swansea have so what's the difference?Think about it...
Swansea and Cardiff have come up the correct pathway i.e. the recognised football pyramid.
This is why I don't like/won't visit Milton Keynes Dons... we don't want anymore like that...imagine... Glasgow Skunts?
dadofmy3sons
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12:52pm Tue 10 Jul 12
Shoong wrote:YES
How does it benefit Rangers to do this? Surely they can't afford tom pay him? Are they scrabbling for some sort of compo?
dadofmy3sons
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12:52pm Tue 10 Jul 12
Shoong wrote:YES
How does it benefit Rangers to do this? Surely they can't afford tom pay him? Are they scrabbling for some sort of compo?
Ach I The Noo
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1:19pm Tue 10 Jul 12
dadofmy3sons wrote:Wee bit biased there Daddy boy.
My comment that Saints were probably aware of this has been echoed on the Norwich site as they have also signed an exRanger.
the general opinion is that tough on Rangers but so what !
My point is that all these players were offered a get out that favoured the players and was extremely generous. Rangers are skint and would have sold Steve to us no problem.
Currently they have a squad that is extremely thin and no money to replace the players who have left, much the same situation as Poopey.
Sympathy is rare, most other Scottish clubs are gloating at the demise and slapping each other on the back at getting them chucked out od the SPL.
The most often repeated phrase is "sporting integrity".
Now that Rangers have said they want to go to the 3rd league and the tv money will be affected, these clubs are not quite so sure as they will lose a small fortune and now they want Rangers in div 1 .
Whatever league they end up in they need players or money to buy them.
It is my expectation that Saints new all this and have done the first part of the transfer knowing that a small compensation will be due.
When they know how much I bet they go back and get McGregor.
Different topic, Brum goalkeeping coach has joined Norwich and they think that they could persuade Butland to join even with Ruddy there !
The players took up to a 75% pay cut in Feb on the understanding that the Club would be free of debts via a CVA in July. They would get a reduced transfer fee clause as a thank you.
Turns out there was no CVA & the Club was effectively liquidated. The Newco didn't follow TUPE rules or timescales, and didn't even bother to keep the players informed. They merely told them they now worked for Newco. They couldn't tell them what League they would be in or guarantee their wages would be put back to normal.
This is a scare tactic to get any money they can. They have various other threats doing the rounds as well. All will fail.
Nobody has asked Rangers this question. If the whole Scottish League will face "Armageddon" should they be put in Div 3, how come you said a few years ago that Rangers/Celtic joining the English set up would actually BENEFIT the SFA ?
95% of Scottish Fans want them in Div 3. The vast majority of their own agree BUT not for "sporting integrity" reasons. They believe the rest of the League will crumble without them & see it as REVENGE. Even Saints are on the Rangers fans forum "hit list" because you cancelled the tournament !!
They are full of sh1t & believe me, there is FAR more to come out.........
SO50 Saint
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1:29pm Tue 10 Jul 12
mattboy111
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1:32pm Tue 10 Jul 12
Esteban09 wrote:Oh - a 'hick up' re Alex Buttner transfer that the lawyers (well any lawyer worth their extraordinary fees) should have been aware of - surely not...think i might rest my case here...
mattboy111 wrote: If Saints did not know this when they 'did the deal' or thought it would 'go away' then they have been unbelievably naive in the whole situation. It has been all over the press and was the first thing that went into my head when i saw he signed. Our lawyers must either be confident it will be overturned or they are negligent in my opinion - but i am a finance man so always have a slightly dim view of lawyers!If you're a finance man you should understand calculated risk. Saints have clearly come to the view that they would rather risk going through this process than lose a very good player to another club. For all we know this could be overturned by FIFA well before the season starts and if that happens and we'd passed up the chance we'd be kicking ourselves. I think maybe you should give the club and it's lawyers a bit more credit, they're smarter than you.
long memory
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2:13pm Tue 10 Jul 12
dadofmy3sons wrote:Dad of my 3 sons, McGregor is either brilliant,he is related to you,or your his agent,only joking.
the truth.....
"The PFA Scotland solicitor, Margaret Gribbon, said: "It is no surprise. There are objections from Rangers plc and the newco. We knew it was going to happen. They were always going to do that and there is a process that now has to be followed.""
so Saints were almost certain to have known and just got him before anyone else made a move !
Go back and get the goalkeeper McGregor, he wants to leave, we want a goalie = marriage made in heaven !
HAZZAAR
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5:08pm Tue 10 Jul 12
nannupsaint wrote:
billythesaint wrote:
And to think Rangers and Celtic felt they had some sort of right to join the Premier League not so long ago! Sour grapes, this one. And why all of a sudden Scotland and Northern Ireland are seen as International yet both are part of the UK? Me no likey. Me no understandy.How is this 'all of a sudden'? The component nations of the UKBillysaints, what football planet have you been living on? Why should Celtic or Rangers not have aspired to joining the Premier League. Cardiff and Swansea have so what's the difference?wales is a principality
HAZZAAR
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5:13pm Tue 10 Jul 12
nannupsaint wrote:
billythesaint wrote:
And to think Rangers and Celtic felt they had some sort of right to join the Premier League not so long ago! Sour grapes, this one. And why all of a sudden Scotland and Northern Ireland are seen as International yet both are part of the UK? Me no likey. Me no understandy.How is this 'all of a sudden'? The component nations of the UKBillysaints, what football planet have you been living on? Why should Celtic or Rangers not have aspired to joining the Premier League. Cardiff and Swansea have so what's the difference?wales is a principality
scotland is not
bullsbags
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11:00pm Tue 10 Jul 12
slugger wrote:so slugger your a season ticket holder.i suppose you've got a saints quilt cover,curtains and lampshade.just because your a season ticket holder( and not the only one) how does this make you an expert on employment law.just thought I'd ask!
as a season ticket holder i don't think it's a problem ...... chill guys n gals !
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10:02am Wed 11 Jul 12
arthur dalyrimple wrote:Yes, I'm sure the SFA would need to notify the newco 'club' Rangers of the transfer of one of their players. As they don't yet exist they can't do this. Once Ranger are allowed in League 1 or 3 the SFA will ok it. Then Rangers can start their futile attempt at claiming compensation. It is just a formality and the SFA protecting itself from legal action from Rangers. #Farce
The team once known a Rangers still excist for the moment ,once liquidation is formal ,there won,t be any problem.
userds5050
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10:13am Wed 11 Jul 12
dadofmy3sons wrote:What so the players who refused to transfer, other interested clubs are expected to believe that spiv Green? We're not being held to ransom like the SFA remember. Green has already transfered the clubs assets including Ibrox and the training ground from the newco (that bought the club in administration) to another company. He didn't even bother to speak to the players concerned about what company they would be transfering to. He just threatened them with legal action. That is all Rangers are at the moment, a company, not a club. They don't belong to any league. The whole thing really is a farce.
As I commented on Saturday, I am a Rangers fan as well as a Saints fan(long story) . I hoped that Saints would offer some sort of compensation as Rangers really are deep in the doodoo.
The situation is that all Rangers asked was that players transferred to the newco and then they would allow them to transfer at a very low figure, in the case of Steve Davis the figure is about 1.6m.
Personnally I believe that is a very reasonable figure for an extremely good player.
What is now happening is that the Scottish F.A. have been asked by Rangers not to release the international clearance that is required in any and all transfers, until they have been able to negotiate some sort of fee for any player who wishes to leave.
Norwich have paid a fee for Robert Fleck and the transfer has gone through.
This transfer will happen, after some sort of negotiation, and I imagine that Saints were well aware that this would be the case and have prepared accordingly.
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12:08pm Wed 11 Jul 12
dadofmy3sons wrote:Yous cheated. Simple. Years of not paying tax and signing players you couldn't afford! Yous deserve nothing! As for the players, they have been lied to by sir moonbeams and the rest of the hun mob that ran that former club, they owe you nothing!
My comment that Saints were probably aware of this has been echoed on the Norwich site as they have also signed an exRanger. the general opinion is that tough on Rangers but so what ! My point is that all these players were offered a get out that favoured the players and was extremely generous. Rangers are skint and would have sold Steve to us no problem. Currently they have a squad that is extremely thin and no money to replace the players who have left, much the same situation as Poopey. Sympathy is rare, most other Scottish clubs are gloating at the demise and slapping each other on the back at getting them chucked out od the SPL. The most often repeated phrase is "sporting integrity". Now that Rangers have said they want to go to the 3rd league and the tv money will be affected, these clubs are not quite so sure as they will lose a small fortune and now they want Rangers in div 1 . Whatever league they end up in they need players or money to buy them. It is my expectation that Saints new all this and have done the first part of the transfer knowing that a small compensation will be due. When they know how much I bet they go back and get McGregor. Different topic, Brum goalkeeping coach has joined Norwich and they think that they could persuade Butland to join even with Ruddy there !
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3:47pm Mon 9 Jul 12