Hooiveld struggling to make Villa clash

Jos Hooiveld

Jos Hooiveld

First published in Sport Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Sports Writer

Jos Hooiveld is a major doubt for Saturday’s crunch St Mary’s clash with Aston Villa.

The Dutch centre half was forced off midway through the first half of the 6-1 drubbing at Arsenal with a calf injury.

Hooiveld had been struggling with the problem for several days but Saints were hopeful he could get through the game.

It didn’t work out that way and Maya Yoshida was drafted into the side earlier than expected, having only had one full training session with the club since signing, and that after arriving back from international duty with Japan.

Saints’ much praised medical staff are doing all they can to have Hooiveld ready for the weekend game against Villa, but he is at best touch and go to be ready.

If he fails to make it, that would mean a first Saints start for Yoshida alongside Jose Fonte .

It would also mark only the third league game that Hooiveld would have missed since joining the club from Celtic on August 31, 2011.

In that time his fantastic fitness record has seen him start in 43 of the 45 league matches that have taken place since he moved to St Mary’s.

Hooiveld and Fonte have been the regular pairing in that period, starting 39 of those games together.

On the four occasions Fonte was out injured, Hooiveld partnered Aaron Martin , now on a season long loan at Crystal Palace.

The two games Hooiveld missed, in which Fonte partnered Martin, were both draws, against Cardiff and Birmingham.

The centre half department is one in which Saints are short of options beyond their lead three defenders of Fonte, Hooiveld and new recruit Yoshida.

Their only other centre halves are Dan Seaborne , who has slipped well down the pecking order, and Jack Stephens, a teenager with only a handful of lower leagues games for Plymouth to his name. Nigel Adkins also has another problem to wrestle with as he tries to find the best way to get Gaston Ramirez into the starting line-up.

Adkins is believed to want to start the £12m Uruguayan this weekend, having been impressed by what he saw in the second half at the Emirates Stadium.

However, he will have to move the team around to do it. At Arsenal he sacrificed one of the central midfield three in the shape of Steven Davis to bring Ramirez in at half time and tinkered with the formation slightly.

Adkins will have to decide whether to try and play Ramirez in the hole just off Rickie Lambert and adapt the team around that, or whether to employ him in the 4-3-3 type formation the club have favoured this season.

If he does the latter then he may have to consider moving captain Adam Lallana back into a more central role. Alternatively, he could drop Jason Puncheon , who has been one of the brighter lights of the season so far.

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8:21am Wed 19 Sep 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Step up Yoshida! Looking forward to seeing him play along with Ramirez.
Step up Yoshida! Looking forward to seeing him play along with Ramirez. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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8:26am Wed 19 Sep 12

mike saint says...

Thats our best centre half out then.
Hope we can loan one by Sat along with a goalkeeper. Davis must be Dropped.
Thats our best centre half out then. Hope we can loan one by Sat along with a goalkeeper. Davis must be Dropped. mike saint
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8:27am Wed 19 Sep 12

Stroppy_gramps says...

Wishing Hoover all the best to get over this injury soon, however its nice to see Yoshida get some more game time. Hopefully we will see him a bit more bedded in having had more training time with the team this week

I'm looking after my son this weekend otherwise I would be there singing along with everyone else
Wishing Hoover all the best to get over this injury soon, however its nice to see Yoshida get some more game time. Hopefully we will see him a bit more bedded in having had more training time with the team this week I'm looking after my son this weekend otherwise I would be there singing along with everyone else Stroppy_gramps
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8:42am Wed 19 Sep 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

mike saint wrote:
Thats our best centre half out then.
Hope we can loan one by Sat along with a goalkeeper. Davis must be Dropped.
Sorry thought you were told several times the other day that the loan window is shut? We can pick up out of contract players who are free agents but not loanees.

Please acknowledge receipt of message and confirm your understanding.

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Seed
[quote][p][bold]mike saint[/bold] wrote: Thats our best centre half out then. Hope we can loan one by Sat along with a goalkeeper. Davis must be Dropped.[/p][/quote]Sorry thought you were told several times the other day that the loan window is shut? We can pick up out of contract players who are free agents but not loanees. Please acknowledge receipt of message and confirm your understanding. regards Seed Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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8:49am Wed 19 Sep 12

AndyAndrews says...

Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game!
PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?
Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game! PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats? AndyAndrews
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8:52am Wed 19 Sep 12

angus mc coatup says...

AndyAndrews wrote:
Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game!
PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?
well that makes that a crunch game then.
[quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game! PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?[/p][/quote]well that makes that a crunch game then. angus mc coatup
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9:17am Wed 19 Sep 12

Chipmonk1 says...

As an overseas supporter i know my opinion is of less regard but IMHO Ramirez should come in at Davis expense alongside spiderman leave Punch and AL on the side and either Chung or JRod up front with Lambert.
Furthermore I will not be watching the game and hopefully remove my TV watching curse.
Well i'll try anyway.
As an overseas supporter i know my opinion is of less regard but IMHO Ramirez should come in at Davis expense alongside spiderman leave Punch and AL on the side and either Chung or JRod up front with Lambert. Furthermore I will not be watching the game and hopefully remove my TV watching curse. Well i'll try anyway. Chipmonk1
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9:18am Wed 19 Sep 12

tugboat says...

I thought this problem would happen,were overloaded with attacking options,but really should of known where ranmirez would play before we bought him in,its not as if we didnt have enough time to think about it.
Hopefully it wont lead to lots of tinkering to find out. We should know our strongest line up (bar injuries) and know his best position.
At 12 mill with his ability he starts,doesnt he ?
A scratchy 1-0 will do to steady the ship.
I thought this problem would happen,were overloaded with attacking options,but really should of known where ranmirez would play before we bought him in,its not as if we didnt have enough time to think about it. Hopefully it wont lead to lots of tinkering to find out. We should know our strongest line up (bar injuries) and know his best position. At 12 mill with his ability he starts,doesnt he ? A scratchy 1-0 will do to steady the ship. tugboat
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9:18am Wed 19 Sep 12

Alicesdad says...

AndyAndrews wrote:
Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game!
PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?
It might be worth looking at the statistics and overall position from a different perspective. Try it !

Persepctive One: Instead of the somewhat superficial 5/5 defeats, why not check out how many other teams last season lost away to City and Arsenal and also lost at home to Utd. I can't be bothered to look it up as I'm sure someone else will.

I wouldn't mind betting it covers a whole load of teams, many of whom kept their managers.

Perspective Two: A manager is a key appointment at a club, they are new to the premiership. The club has spent a shedload (£30m) on new players and the new boys havent had a chance to play together yet.

That warrants time and a proper assessment. We are nowhere near that assessment yet.

Perspective Three: Management change is disruptive to team spirit. The manager is highly thought of by the players. This is not Chelsea where a bunch of ageing egoistic relics form a clique to get rid of the manager. We are Southampton and are way above that gutter. The team spirit is excellent at this club, as endorsed time and tme again by many players. To disrupt that too soon would be folly.

Perspective four: The cult of management sacking is one of the main reasons that clubs fortunes are like roller coasters. Look at our own history in that respect. When Mcmenemy took over he took us down in his first year. The cup win rescued him. Then he showed his true worth over the next few years. In recent years we have been a mess with management change. And now Adkins has arrived and we have seen success and consistency for two years. He is passionate, knowledgeable and tactically shrewd. He may not be the most charismatic interviewee on TV but he does demonstrate honesty, a sincere belief in the way this team plays, he truly knows what he is trying to do and will be a legend at this club if only the doom merchants are kept firmly in their place.

This team will not be relegated. I fully expect a respectable mid table position by the end of the season. I also think that the majority of fans believe this too.
[quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game! PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?[/p][/quote]It might be worth looking at the statistics and overall position from a different perspective. Try it ! Persepctive One: Instead of the somewhat superficial 5/5 defeats, why not check out how many other teams last season lost away to City and Arsenal and also lost at home to Utd. I can't be bothered to look it up as I'm sure someone else will. I wouldn't mind betting it covers a whole load of teams, many of whom kept their managers. Perspective Two: A manager is a key appointment at a club, they are new to the premiership. The club has spent a shedload (£30m) on new players and the new boys havent had a chance to play together yet. That warrants time and a proper assessment. We are nowhere near that assessment yet. Perspective Three: Management change is disruptive to team spirit. The manager is highly thought of by the players. This is not Chelsea where a bunch of ageing egoistic relics form a clique to get rid of the manager. We are Southampton and are way above that gutter. The team spirit is excellent at this club, as endorsed time and tme again by many players. To disrupt that too soon would be folly. Perspective four: The cult of management sacking is one of the main reasons that clubs fortunes are like roller coasters. Look at our own history in that respect. When Mcmenemy took over he took us down in his first year. The cup win rescued him. Then he showed his true worth over the next few years. In recent years we have been a mess with management change. And now Adkins has arrived and we have seen success and consistency for two years. He is passionate, knowledgeable and tactically shrewd. He may not be the most charismatic interviewee on TV but he does demonstrate honesty, a sincere belief in the way this team plays, he truly knows what he is trying to do and will be a legend at this club if only the doom merchants are kept firmly in their place. This team will not be relegated. I fully expect a respectable mid table position by the end of the season. I also think that the majority of fans believe this too. Alicesdad
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9:33am Wed 19 Sep 12

SaintMax says...

What a sound investment Hooiveld has turned out to be, couldnt get into the Celtic team.
Hopefully Yoshida and Fonte can get plenty of practice in this week to start forming an understanding.
What a sound investment Hooiveld has turned out to be, couldnt get into the Celtic team. Hopefully Yoshida and Fonte can get plenty of practice in this week to start forming an understanding. SaintMax
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9:35am Wed 19 Sep 12

Mr. T says...

Rafa Benitez linked with Saints in the Star today. I really want NA to turn it around and continue with the consistency that has served us so well for the last few years however results are results and as I said in a previous post, NC will not allow us to get cut adrift given the massive investment at the club this summer.
Rafa Benitez linked with Saints in the Star today. I really want NA to turn it around and continue with the consistency that has served us so well for the last few years however results are results and as I said in a previous post, NC will not allow us to get cut adrift given the massive investment at the club this summer. Mr. T
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9:36am Wed 19 Sep 12

spyware says...

AndyAndrews wrote:
Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game! PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?
We all remember the last time Saints' lost the opening 5 games of a new season.
For ease of reference that was the '98-'99 season, infamously known as the 'great escape'.
We only had 2 points on the board in the first 9 games.
Dave Jones was in charge then.
So just be patient and believe as its still early days.
[quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game! PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?[/p][/quote]We all remember the last time Saints' lost the opening 5 games of a new season. For ease of reference that was the '98-'99 season, infamously known as the 'great escape'. We only had 2 points on the board in the first 9 games. Dave Jones was in charge then. So just be patient and believe as its still early days. spyware
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9:39am Wed 19 Sep 12

St. Saint says...

mike saint wrote:
Thats our best centre half out then.
Hope we can loan one by Sat along with a goalkeeper. Davis must be Dropped.
Christ! Learn the rules
[quote][p][bold]mike saint[/bold] wrote: Thats our best centre half out then. Hope we can loan one by Sat along with a goalkeeper. Davis must be Dropped.[/p][/quote]Christ! Learn the rules St. Saint
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9:44am Wed 19 Sep 12

SO50 Saint says...

Was are first win in that great escape season at home to Cov? Think it was about mid october and the weather was atrocious
Was are first win in that great escape season at home to Cov? Think it was about mid october and the weather was atrocious SO50 Saint
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9:45am Wed 19 Sep 12

See You When The Fog Clears says...

To Alicesdad...

I totally agree with everything you said, good to read some commonsense thinking for a change.

I believe we will be mid table this season and with any luck have a good cup run
To Alicesdad... I totally agree with everything you said, good to read some commonsense thinking for a change. I believe we will be mid table this season and with any luck have a good cup run See You When The Fog Clears
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9:56am Wed 19 Sep 12

spyware says...

SO50 Saint wrote:
Was are first win in that great escape season at home to Cov? Think it was about mid october and the weather was atrocious
Well remembered that man.

After a 1-1 draw at Arsenal, we beat Coventry 2-1

The next win was home against Wimbledon 3-1 in December
[quote][p][bold]SO50 Saint[/bold] wrote: Was are first win in that great escape season at home to Cov? Think it was about mid october and the weather was atrocious[/p][/quote]Well remembered that man. After a 1-1 draw at Arsenal, we beat Coventry 2-1 The next win was home against Wimbledon 3-1 in December spyware
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10:01am Wed 19 Sep 12

SO50 Saint says...

I remember that wimbledon game think it was Kachloul's first game and he had a belter can't believe it was that long til are next win that season. I think Saturday is important just by looking at the fixture list after watching Everton the other night I can't see us getting anything from there and even when we are playing well we still never do and Fulham at home after that will definitely not be easy, Martin Jol is building a very strong side there
I remember that wimbledon game think it was Kachloul's first game and he had a belter can't believe it was that long til are next win that season. I think Saturday is important just by looking at the fixture list after watching Everton the other night I can't see us getting anything from there and even when we are playing well we still never do and Fulham at home after that will definitely not be easy, Martin Jol is building a very strong side there SO50 Saint
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10:08am Wed 19 Sep 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

St. Saint wrote:
mike saint wrote:
Thats our best centre half out then.
Hope we can loan one by Sat along with a goalkeeper. Davis must be Dropped.
Christ! Learn the rules
Free agents can be signed by a club at any time in the season, if they had been released by their previous club before the end of the transfer window. A club can request to sign a player on emergency basis, e.g. if several goalkeepers are injured at the same time. Christ, has nothing to do with it.
[quote][p][bold]St. Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike saint[/bold] wrote: Thats our best centre half out then. Hope we can loan one by Sat along with a goalkeeper. Davis must be Dropped.[/p][/quote]Christ! Learn the rules[/p][/quote]Free agents can be signed by a club at any time in the season, if they had been released by their previous club before the end of the transfer window. A club can request to sign a player on emergency basis, e.g. if several goalkeepers are injured at the same time. Christ, has nothing to do with it. OSPREYSAINT
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10:10am Wed 19 Sep 12

manosussex says...

tugboat wrote:
I thought this problem would happen,were overloaded with attacking options,but really should of known where ranmirez would play before we bought him in,its not as if we didnt have enough time to think about it.
Hopefully it wont lead to lots of tinkering to find out. We should know our strongest line up (bar injuries) and know his best position.
At 12 mill with his ability he starts,doesnt he ?
A scratchy 1-0 will do to steady the ship.
Yep got it in 1
[quote][p][bold]tugboat[/bold] wrote: I thought this problem would happen,were overloaded with attacking options,but really should of known where ranmirez would play before we bought him in,its not as if we didnt have enough time to think about it. Hopefully it wont lead to lots of tinkering to find out. We should know our strongest line up (bar injuries) and know his best position. At 12 mill with his ability he starts,doesnt he ? A scratchy 1-0 will do to steady the ship.[/p][/quote]Yep got it in 1 manosussex
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10:23am Wed 19 Sep 12

Confucious says...

Chipmonk1 wrote:
As an overseas supporter i know my opinion is of less regard but IMHO Ramirez should come in at Davis expense alongside spiderman leave Punch and AL on the side and either Chung or JRod up front with Lambert.
Furthermore I will not be watching the game and hopefully remove my TV watching curse.
Well i'll try anyway.
Far from it - our overseas supporters are among the most cogent on here and all contributions, apart from those coming from fish (ie the underseas), are welcome. And this is true even though most on here have their mental receivers off the hook and are a couplet short of a sonnet.

Of course some opinions are more valued than others by merit of their content. Mine are held in particularly high esteem, though not because I'm a quadruple season ticket holder, but because I have considerable tactical expertise and a lot of inside knowledge about what's going on at the club. Fans also know I'm a special advisor to Nigel and Nicola via e mail. In fact (since you may be unaware) I am THE person who, two seasons ago, got the club working on the basis of "The higher they get, the fewer."
[quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: As an overseas supporter i know my opinion is of less regard but IMHO Ramirez should come in at Davis expense alongside spiderman leave Punch and AL on the side and either Chung or JRod up front with Lambert. Furthermore I will not be watching the game and hopefully remove my TV watching curse. Well i'll try anyway.[/p][/quote]Far from it - our overseas supporters are among the most cogent on here and all contributions, apart from those coming from fish (ie the underseas), are welcome. And this is true even though most on here have their mental receivers off the hook and are a couplet short of a sonnet. Of course some opinions are more valued than others by merit of their content. Mine are held in particularly high esteem, though not because I'm a quadruple season ticket holder, but because I have considerable tactical expertise and a lot of inside knowledge about what's going on at the club. Fans also know I'm a special advisor to Nigel and Nicola via e mail. In fact (since you may be unaware) I am THE person who, two seasons ago, got the club working on the basis of "The higher they get, the fewer." Confucious
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10:27am Wed 19 Sep 12

bullsbags says...

It's a bit early to go on about a great escape we haven't even seen the end of sept
Also in those days we had players with top flight experience including a certain
MLTISS
It's a bit early to go on about a great escape we haven't even seen the end of sept Also in those days we had players with top flight experience including a certain MLTISS bullsbags
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10:31am Wed 19 Sep 12

SaintMax says...

manosussex wrote:
tugboat wrote:
I thought this problem would happen,were overloaded with attacking options,but really should of known where ranmirez would play before we bought him in,its not as if we didnt have enough time to think about it.
Hopefully it wont lead to lots of tinkering to find out. We should know our strongest line up (bar injuries) and know his best position.
At 12 mill with his ability he starts,doesnt he ?
A scratchy 1-0 will do to steady the ship.
Yep got it in 1
We should take with a pinch of salt what the papers say too. A club like ours (not the spend-easy clubs like ManCity Chelsea etc) doesn't buy a player for £12m with the view to shoe-horning him in somewhere.
Our day will come soon, and I reckon this will be saturday.
[quote][p][bold]manosussex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tugboat[/bold] wrote: I thought this problem would happen,were overloaded with attacking options,but really should of known where ranmirez would play before we bought him in,its not as if we didnt have enough time to think about it. Hopefully it wont lead to lots of tinkering to find out. We should know our strongest line up (bar injuries) and know his best position. At 12 mill with his ability he starts,doesnt he ? A scratchy 1-0 will do to steady the ship.[/p][/quote]Yep got it in 1[/p][/quote]We should take with a pinch of salt what the papers say too. A club like ours (not the spend-easy clubs like ManCity Chelsea etc) doesn't buy a player for £12m with the view to shoe-horning him in somewhere. Our day will come soon, and I reckon this will be saturday. SaintMax
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10:32am Wed 19 Sep 12

SFC4EVA says...

AndyAndrews wrote:
Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game! PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?
As I said on a previous thread......

"If we had got the same results against Man U, Man City and Arsenal with a slip-up against a lower placed team (Wigan) spread out throughout 3 or 4 months no one would have been batted an eyelid. It just so happened we played 3 of the best teams is the country and possibly europe in the first 4 games of the season. Wigan, i'd like to think was a slip-up and we would get something from "Wigan" type teams. Wigan who, let's not forget, have been in the Premier League for 7 years! I'd like to think that NC has enough about him to realise the sort of teams MU, MC & Arsenal are!

Some people need a reality check."

Let's not hit the panic button yet! COYR
[quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game! PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?[/p][/quote]As I said on a previous thread...... "If we had got the same results against Man U, Man City and Arsenal with a slip-up against a lower placed team (Wigan) spread out throughout 3 or 4 months no one would have been batted an eyelid. It just so happened we played 3 of the best teams is the country and possibly europe in the first 4 games of the season. Wigan, i'd like to think was a slip-up and we would get something from "Wigan" type teams. Wigan who, let's not forget, have been in the Premier League for 7 years! I'd like to think that NC has enough about him to realise the sort of teams MU, MC & Arsenal are! Some people need a reality check." Let's not hit the panic button yet! COYR SFC4EVA
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10:39am Wed 19 Sep 12

Jesus_02 says...

Yoshida had better be good at clearing crosses. Stats for Villa’s last game show that they are pretty reliant (but effective) into the box via the wings.

Our two problems are Fox and Kelvin. Fox because he isn’t the best defensively and has been previously singled out by teams and Kelvin because his ability to come and claim and his decision making has a been poor

It would be a brave man to select Gazzaniger, but he could be a good option. He might not be as good a shot stopper but he is good in the box and his distribution is excellent.

As with Ramerz, I imagine he will start instead of Puncheon although I confess I’d like to see him play a freer role just off Ricky
Yoshida had better be good at clearing crosses. Stats for Villa’s last game show that they are pretty reliant (but effective) into the box via the wings. Our two problems are Fox and Kelvin. Fox because he isn’t the best defensively and has been previously singled out by teams and Kelvin because his ability to come and claim and his decision making has a been poor It would be a brave man to select Gazzaniger, but he could be a good option. He might not be as good a shot stopper but he is good in the box and his distribution is excellent. As with Ramerz, I imagine he will start instead of Puncheon although I confess I’d like to see him play a freer role just off Ricky Jesus_02
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10:58am Wed 19 Sep 12

Hobson82 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
St. Saint wrote:
mike saint wrote: Thats our best centre half out then. Hope we can loan one by Sat along with a goalkeeper. Davis must be Dropped.
Christ! Learn the rules
Free agents can be signed by a club at any time in the season, if they had been released by their previous club before the end of the transfer window. A club can request to sign a player on emergency basis, e.g. if several goalkeepers are injured at the same time. Christ, has nothing to do with it.
I heard West Ham turned down the chance to sign Silvestre on a free, I know he's getting on a bit, but surely he could add valuable experience to our back line. At least until the end of the season.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St. Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike saint[/bold] wrote: Thats our best centre half out then. Hope we can loan one by Sat along with a goalkeeper. Davis must be Dropped.[/p][/quote]Christ! Learn the rules[/p][/quote]Free agents can be signed by a club at any time in the season, if they had been released by their previous club before the end of the transfer window. A club can request to sign a player on emergency basis, e.g. if several goalkeepers are injured at the same time. Christ, has nothing to do with it.[/p][/quote]I heard West Ham turned down the chance to sign Silvestre on a free, I know he's getting on a bit, but surely he could add valuable experience to our back line. At least until the end of the season. Hobson82
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11:04am Wed 19 Sep 12

SouthamptonLegend says...

Chipmonk1 wrote:
As an overseas supporter i know my opinion is of less regard but IMHO Ramirez should come in at Davis expense alongside spiderman leave Punch and AL on the side and either Chung or JRod up front with Lambert.
Furthermore I will not be watching the game and hopefully remove my TV watching curse.
Well i'll try anyway.
How can you drop Steven Davis!? He's our main midfield man this season and is a box to box player, something we lack!

I'd prefer Morgan to be dropped but for some reason Adkins likes starting him so can't see that ever happening, no matter how **** poor his tackling is.

My team for Villa would be; Gazzniga, Clyne, Fonte, Maya, Shaw, Ward-Prowse, Davis, Cork, Ramirez, Lallana and Lambert.

Davis, Richardson, Seabourne, Morgan, Puncheon, Lee and Mayuka
[quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: As an overseas supporter i know my opinion is of less regard but IMHO Ramirez should come in at Davis expense alongside spiderman leave Punch and AL on the side and either Chung or JRod up front with Lambert. Furthermore I will not be watching the game and hopefully remove my TV watching curse. Well i'll try anyway.[/p][/quote]How can you drop Steven Davis!? He's our main midfield man this season and is a box to box player, something we lack! I'd prefer Morgan to be dropped but for some reason Adkins likes starting him so can't see that ever happening, no matter how **** poor his tackling is. My team for Villa would be; Gazzniga, Clyne, Fonte, Maya, Shaw, Ward-Prowse, Davis, Cork, Ramirez, Lallana and Lambert. Davis, Richardson, Seabourne, Morgan, Puncheon, Lee and Mayuka SouthamptonLegend
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11:05am Wed 19 Sep 12

sisaydo says...

Hobson82 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
St. Saint wrote:
mike saint wrote: Thats our best centre half out then. Hope we can loan one by Sat along with a goalkeeper. Davis must be Dropped.
Christ! Learn the rules
Free agents can be signed by a club at any time in the season, if they had been released by their previous club before the end of the transfer window. A club can request to sign a player on emergency basis, e.g. if several goalkeepers are injured at the same time. Christ, has nothing to do with it.
I heard West Ham turned down the chance to sign Silvestre on a free, I know he's getting on a bit, but surely he could add valuable experience to our back line. At least until the end of the season.
Oh please, desperate no!
[quote][p][bold]Hobson82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St. Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike saint[/bold] wrote: Thats our best centre half out then. Hope we can loan one by Sat along with a goalkeeper. Davis must be Dropped.[/p][/quote]Christ! Learn the rules[/p][/quote]Free agents can be signed by a club at any time in the season, if they had been released by their previous club before the end of the transfer window. A club can request to sign a player on emergency basis, e.g. if several goalkeepers are injured at the same time. Christ, has nothing to do with it.[/p][/quote]I heard West Ham turned down the chance to sign Silvestre on a free, I know he's getting on a bit, but surely he could add valuable experience to our back line. At least until the end of the season.[/p][/quote]Oh please, desperate no! sisaydo
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11:12am Wed 19 Sep 12

Sue from Oz says...

I just want to say I agree with Alice's Dad. Saints survival and splendid successes in the past two years are due to Nicola and Nigel. It's been a great time to be a Saints supporter but it was always going to be difficult surviving in the premiership. I hope that Nigel is given the time to show what he and the team can achieve!
I just want to say I agree with Alice's Dad. Saints survival and splendid successes in the past two years are due to Nicola and Nigel. It's been a great time to be a Saints supporter but it was always going to be difficult surviving in the premiership. I hope that Nigel is given the time to show what he and the team can achieve! Sue from Oz
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11:26am Wed 19 Sep 12

SaintMax says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
As an overseas supporter i know my opinion is of less regard but IMHO Ramirez should come in at Davis expense alongside spiderman leave Punch and AL on the side and either Chung or JRod up front with Lambert.
Furthermore I will not be watching the game and hopefully remove my TV watching curse.
Well i'll try anyway.
How can you drop Steven Davis!? He's our main midfield man this season and is a box to box player, something we lack!

I'd prefer Morgan to be dropped but for some reason Adkins likes starting him so can't see that ever happening, no matter how **** poor his tackling is.

My team for Villa would be; Gazzniga, Clyne, Fonte, Maya, Shaw, Ward-Prowse, Davis, Cork, Ramirez, Lallana and Lambert.

Davis, Richardson, Seabourne, Morgan, Puncheon, Lee and Mayuka
like that starting 11, but Nigel can be unpredictibly predictable (Guly/Fox/Morgan/dro
pping Ricky)
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: As an overseas supporter i know my opinion is of less regard but IMHO Ramirez should come in at Davis expense alongside spiderman leave Punch and AL on the side and either Chung or JRod up front with Lambert. Furthermore I will not be watching the game and hopefully remove my TV watching curse. Well i'll try anyway.[/p][/quote]How can you drop Steven Davis!? He's our main midfield man this season and is a box to box player, something we lack! I'd prefer Morgan to be dropped but for some reason Adkins likes starting him so can't see that ever happening, no matter how **** poor his tackling is. My team for Villa would be; Gazzniga, Clyne, Fonte, Maya, Shaw, Ward-Prowse, Davis, Cork, Ramirez, Lallana and Lambert. Davis, Richardson, Seabourne, Morgan, Puncheon, Lee and Mayuka[/p][/quote]like that starting 11, but Nigel can be unpredictibly predictable (Guly/Fox/Morgan/dro pping Ricky) SaintMax
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11:43am Wed 19 Sep 12

upwherewebelong says...

I hope that Adkins spends this week working out his best 11 and then actually plays it against Villa and uses the players in their correct position.

Rodriguez must be used as a centre forward after all Nigel that is his position he's not a winger.

Ramirez - must start

Mayuka - Why sign him if you wont play him or even use him as a sub

Lee- What's happened to him ?

Cork - We need him back soon to make our midfield stronger

Defense the most neglected area of the team by NA - Can't understand why NA didn't strengthen this area more during the summer.

That said in essence the season starts Saturday as the PL stitched us up by given us that set of 4 fixtures. As long as NA stops making silly errors that he didn't make last year we will be fine as 12 wins and 4 draws from 34 games left will see us safe which lets be honest is all we want this year.
I hope that Adkins spends this week working out his best 11 and then actually plays it against Villa and uses the players in their correct position. Rodriguez must be used as a centre forward after all Nigel that is his position he's not a winger. Ramirez - must start Mayuka - Why sign him if you wont play him or even use him as a sub Lee- What's happened to him ? Cork - We need him back soon to make our midfield stronger Defense the most neglected area of the team by NA - Can't understand why NA didn't strengthen this area more during the summer. That said in essence the season starts Saturday as the PL stitched us up by given us that set of 4 fixtures. As long as NA stops making silly errors that he didn't make last year we will be fine as 12 wins and 4 draws from 34 games left will see us safe which lets be honest is all we want this year. upwherewebelong
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12:28pm Wed 19 Sep 12

redsnapper says...

Kelvin,s recent perfomances remind of Dave McClaren, a complete flapper in the box.

Watching Spurs the other day their keeper had acres of space to distribute as their defenders moved up smartly, our back 4 and certainly Fox stay too deep.
KD then passes to Fox 9 times out of 10 so even the dumbest opposition soon realise how to beat us.

Wake up Saints
Kelvin,s recent perfomances remind of Dave McClaren, a complete flapper in the box. Watching Spurs the other day their keeper had acres of space to distribute as their defenders moved up smartly, our back 4 and certainly Fox stay too deep. KD then passes to Fox 9 times out of 10 so even the dumbest opposition soon realise how to beat us. Wake up Saints redsnapper
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12:44pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Mush On The Beach says...

Alicesdad wrote:
AndyAndrews wrote:
Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game!
PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?
It might be worth looking at the statistics and overall position from a different perspective. Try it !

Persepctive One: Instead of the somewhat superficial 5/5 defeats, why not check out how many other teams last season lost away to City and Arsenal and also lost at home to Utd. I can't be bothered to look it up as I'm sure someone else will.

I wouldn't mind betting it covers a whole load of teams, many of whom kept their managers.

Perspective Two: A manager is a key appointment at a club, they are new to the premiership. The club has spent a shedload (£30m) on new players and the new boys havent had a chance to play together yet.

That warrants time and a proper assessment. We are nowhere near that assessment yet.

Perspective Three: Management change is disruptive to team spirit. The manager is highly thought of by the players. This is not Chelsea where a bunch of ageing egoistic relics form a clique to get rid of the manager. We are Southampton and are way above that gutter. The team spirit is excellent at this club, as endorsed time and tme again by many players. To disrupt that too soon would be folly.

Perspective four: The cult of management sacking is one of the main reasons that clubs fortunes are like roller coasters. Look at our own history in that respect. When Mcmenemy took over he took us down in his first year. The cup win rescued him. Then he showed his true worth over the next few years. In recent years we have been a mess with management change. And now Adkins has arrived and we have seen success and consistency for two years. He is passionate, knowledgeable and tactically shrewd. He may not be the most charismatic interviewee on TV but he does demonstrate honesty, a sincere belief in the way this team plays, he truly knows what he is trying to do and will be a legend at this club if only the doom merchants are kept firmly in their place.

This team will not be relegated. I fully expect a respectable mid table position by the end of the season. I also think that the majority of fans believe this too.
That’s an awful lot of perspective..... Very good.
I believe the Alex Ferguson approach is the way to go adopted by the United board all those years ago. We have a good young manager and a good young squad, keep calm, keep belief and keep loyal.
The rest will all follow, as sure as eggs are eggs and skunts are skint.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game! PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?[/p][/quote]It might be worth looking at the statistics and overall position from a different perspective. Try it ! Persepctive One: Instead of the somewhat superficial 5/5 defeats, why not check out how many other teams last season lost away to City and Arsenal and also lost at home to Utd. I can't be bothered to look it up as I'm sure someone else will. I wouldn't mind betting it covers a whole load of teams, many of whom kept their managers. Perspective Two: A manager is a key appointment at a club, they are new to the premiership. The club has spent a shedload (£30m) on new players and the new boys havent had a chance to play together yet. That warrants time and a proper assessment. We are nowhere near that assessment yet. Perspective Three: Management change is disruptive to team spirit. The manager is highly thought of by the players. This is not Chelsea where a bunch of ageing egoistic relics form a clique to get rid of the manager. We are Southampton and are way above that gutter. The team spirit is excellent at this club, as endorsed time and tme again by many players. To disrupt that too soon would be folly. Perspective four: The cult of management sacking is one of the main reasons that clubs fortunes are like roller coasters. Look at our own history in that respect. When Mcmenemy took over he took us down in his first year. The cup win rescued him. Then he showed his true worth over the next few years. In recent years we have been a mess with management change. And now Adkins has arrived and we have seen success and consistency for two years. He is passionate, knowledgeable and tactically shrewd. He may not be the most charismatic interviewee on TV but he does demonstrate honesty, a sincere belief in the way this team plays, he truly knows what he is trying to do and will be a legend at this club if only the doom merchants are kept firmly in their place. This team will not be relegated. I fully expect a respectable mid table position by the end of the season. I also think that the majority of fans believe this too.[/p][/quote]That’s an awful lot of perspective..... Very good. I believe the Alex Ferguson approach is the way to go adopted by the United board all those years ago. We have a good young manager and a good young squad, keep calm, keep belief and keep loyal. The rest will all follow, as sure as eggs are eggs and skunts are skint. Mush On The Beach
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12:56pm Wed 19 Sep 12

saintlysoul says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
As an overseas supporter i know my opinion is of less regard but IMHO Ramirez should come in at Davis expense alongside spiderman leave Punch and AL on the side and either Chung or JRod up front with Lambert.
Furthermore I will not be watching the game and hopefully remove my TV watching curse.
Well i'll try anyway.
How can you drop Steven Davis!? He's our main midfield man this season and is a box to box player, something we lack!

I'd prefer Morgan to be dropped but for some reason Adkins likes starting him so can't see that ever happening, no matter how **** poor his tackling is.

My team for Villa would be; Gazzniga, Clyne, Fonte, Maya, Shaw, Ward-Prowse, Davis, Cork, Ramirez, Lallana and Lambert.

Davis, Richardson, Seabourne, Morgan, Puncheon, Lee and Mayuka
I agree!
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: As an overseas supporter i know my opinion is of less regard but IMHO Ramirez should come in at Davis expense alongside spiderman leave Punch and AL on the side and either Chung or JRod up front with Lambert. Furthermore I will not be watching the game and hopefully remove my TV watching curse. Well i'll try anyway.[/p][/quote]How can you drop Steven Davis!? He's our main midfield man this season and is a box to box player, something we lack! I'd prefer Morgan to be dropped but for some reason Adkins likes starting him so can't see that ever happening, no matter how **** poor his tackling is. My team for Villa would be; Gazzniga, Clyne, Fonte, Maya, Shaw, Ward-Prowse, Davis, Cork, Ramirez, Lallana and Lambert. Davis, Richardson, Seabourne, Morgan, Puncheon, Lee and Mayuka[/p][/quote]I agree! saintlysoul
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12:58pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Mush On The Beach says...

Sue from Oz wrote:
I just want to say I agree with Alice's Dad. Saints survival and splendid successes in the past two years are due to Nicola and Nigel. It's been a great time to be a Saints supporter but it was always going to be difficult surviving in the premiership. I hope that Nigel is given the time to show what he and the team can achieve!
Sue, us Aussies talk the most sense on here .... It’s the constant sunshine and fine wine, it’s good for putting positivity in your pants.
[quote][p][bold]Sue from Oz[/bold] wrote: I just want to say I agree with Alice's Dad. Saints survival and splendid successes in the past two years are due to Nicola and Nigel. It's been a great time to be a Saints supporter but it was always going to be difficult surviving in the premiership. I hope that Nigel is given the time to show what he and the team can achieve![/p][/quote]Sue, us Aussies talk the most sense on here .... It’s the constant sunshine and fine wine, it’s good for putting positivity in your pants. Mush On The Beach
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1:00pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Hobson82 says...

Alicesdad wrote:
AndyAndrews wrote: Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game! PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?
It might be worth looking at the statistics and overall position from a different perspective. Try it ! Persepctive One: Instead of the somewhat superficial 5/5 defeats, why not check out how many other teams last season lost away to City and Arsenal and also lost at home to Utd. I can't be bothered to look it up as I'm sure someone else will. I wouldn't mind betting it covers a whole load of teams, many of whom kept their managers. Perspective Two: A manager is a key appointment at a club, they are new to the premiership. The club has spent a shedload (£30m) on new players and the new boys havent had a chance to play together yet. That warrants time and a proper assessment. We are nowhere near that assessment yet. Perspective Three: Management change is disruptive to team spirit. The manager is highly thought of by the players. This is not Chelsea where a bunch of ageing egoistic relics form a clique to get rid of the manager. We are Southampton and are way above that gutter. The team spirit is excellent at this club, as endorsed time and tme again by many players. To disrupt that too soon would be folly. Perspective four: The cult of management sacking is one of the main reasons that clubs fortunes are like roller coasters. Look at our own history in that respect. When Mcmenemy took over he took us down in his first year. The cup win rescued him. Then he showed his true worth over the next few years. In recent years we have been a mess with management change. And now Adkins has arrived and we have seen success and consistency for two years. He is passionate, knowledgeable and tactically shrewd. He may not be the most charismatic interviewee on TV but he does demonstrate honesty, a sincere belief in the way this team plays, he truly knows what he is trying to do and will be a legend at this club if only the doom merchants are kept firmly in their place. This team will not be relegated. I fully expect a respectable mid table position by the end of the season. I also think that the majority of fans believe this too.
Alicesdad, is your real name Andy Gray?!?

Your posts are always good reads and very rarely do I disagree with you.

However, and I think some people are aware of my feelings on Adkins and Cortese.

Adkins has so far done a sterling job, and will go down as one of our clubs greatest managers. But I am not confident that Cortese will give Adkins much time. I hope we start picking up results soon otherwise I fear Cortese will get restless and issue Adkins with his P60.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game! PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?[/p][/quote]It might be worth looking at the statistics and overall position from a different perspective. Try it ! Persepctive One: Instead of the somewhat superficial 5/5 defeats, why not check out how many other teams last season lost away to City and Arsenal and also lost at home to Utd. I can't be bothered to look it up as I'm sure someone else will. I wouldn't mind betting it covers a whole load of teams, many of whom kept their managers. Perspective Two: A manager is a key appointment at a club, they are new to the premiership. The club has spent a shedload (£30m) on new players and the new boys havent had a chance to play together yet. That warrants time and a proper assessment. We are nowhere near that assessment yet. Perspective Three: Management change is disruptive to team spirit. The manager is highly thought of by the players. This is not Chelsea where a bunch of ageing egoistic relics form a clique to get rid of the manager. We are Southampton and are way above that gutter. The team spirit is excellent at this club, as endorsed time and tme again by many players. To disrupt that too soon would be folly. Perspective four: The cult of management sacking is one of the main reasons that clubs fortunes are like roller coasters. Look at our own history in that respect. When Mcmenemy took over he took us down in his first year. The cup win rescued him. Then he showed his true worth over the next few years. In recent years we have been a mess with management change. And now Adkins has arrived and we have seen success and consistency for two years. He is passionate, knowledgeable and tactically shrewd. He may not be the most charismatic interviewee on TV but he does demonstrate honesty, a sincere belief in the way this team plays, he truly knows what he is trying to do and will be a legend at this club if only the doom merchants are kept firmly in their place. This team will not be relegated. I fully expect a respectable mid table position by the end of the season. I also think that the majority of fans believe this too.[/p][/quote]Alicesdad, is your real name Andy Gray?!? Your posts are always good reads and very rarely do I disagree with you. However, and I think some people are aware of my feelings on Adkins and Cortese. Adkins has so far done a sterling job, and will go down as one of our clubs greatest managers. But I am not confident that Cortese will give Adkins much time. I hope we start picking up results soon otherwise I fear Cortese will get restless and issue Adkins with his P60. Hobson82
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1:05pm Wed 19 Sep 12

SouthamptonLegend says...

Apparently we're talking to Craig Gordon!

Let's all hold hands and pray he signs in time to play on Saturday!
Apparently we're talking to Craig Gordon! Let's all hold hands and pray he signs in time to play on Saturday! SouthamptonLegend
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1:08pm Wed 19 Sep 12

saintkenny says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
As an overseas supporter i know my opinion is of less regard but IMHO Ramirez should come in at Davis expense alongside spiderman leave Punch and AL on the side and either Chung or JRod up front with Lambert.
Furthermore I will not be watching the game and hopefully remove my TV watching curse.
Well i'll try anyway.
How can you drop Steven Davis!? He's our main midfield man this season and is a box to box player, something we lack!

I'd prefer Morgan to be dropped but for some reason Adkins likes starting him so can't see that ever happening, no matter how **** poor his tackling is.

My team for Villa would be; Gazzniga, Clyne, Fonte, Maya, Shaw, Ward-Prowse, Davis, Cork, Ramirez, Lallana and Lambert.

Davis, Richardson, Seabourne, Morgan, Puncheon, Lee and Mayuka
we got davis in ,he looks no better than hammond so far ,cork in chaplow are better box to box players ,you should get players in if there better than you got ,but davis is not in my book ,might as well of kept hammond and got another better box to box player .im still judging davis to be fair ,but not5 much so far to report .ok he scored but hammond did also .i just cant see where he his any better than hammond so far
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: As an overseas supporter i know my opinion is of less regard but IMHO Ramirez should come in at Davis expense alongside spiderman leave Punch and AL on the side and either Chung or JRod up front with Lambert. Furthermore I will not be watching the game and hopefully remove my TV watching curse. Well i'll try anyway.[/p][/quote]How can you drop Steven Davis!? He's our main midfield man this season and is a box to box player, something we lack! I'd prefer Morgan to be dropped but for some reason Adkins likes starting him so can't see that ever happening, no matter how **** poor his tackling is. My team for Villa would be; Gazzniga, Clyne, Fonte, Maya, Shaw, Ward-Prowse, Davis, Cork, Ramirez, Lallana and Lambert. Davis, Richardson, Seabourne, Morgan, Puncheon, Lee and Mayuka[/p][/quote]we got davis in ,he looks no better than hammond so far ,cork in chaplow are better box to box players ,you should get players in if there better than you got ,but davis is not in my book ,might as well of kept hammond and got another better box to box player .im still judging davis to be fair ,but not5 much so far to report .ok he scored but hammond did also .i just cant see where he his any better than hammond so far saintkenny
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1:14pm Wed 19 Sep 12

SouthamptonLegend says...

saintkenny wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
As an overseas supporter i know my opinion is of less regard but IMHO Ramirez should come in at Davis expense alongside spiderman leave Punch and AL on the side and either Chung or JRod up front with Lambert.
Furthermore I will not be watching the game and hopefully remove my TV watching curse.
Well i'll try anyway.
How can you drop Steven Davis!? He's our main midfield man this season and is a box to box player, something we lack!

I'd prefer Morgan to be dropped but for some reason Adkins likes starting him so can't see that ever happening, no matter how **** poor his tackling is.

My team for Villa would be; Gazzniga, Clyne, Fonte, Maya, Shaw, Ward-Prowse, Davis, Cork, Ramirez, Lallana and Lambert.

Davis, Richardson, Seabourne, Morgan, Puncheon, Lee and Mayuka
we got davis in ,he looks no better than hammond so far ,cork in chaplow are better box to box players ,you should get players in if there better than you got ,but davis is not in my book ,might as well of kept hammond and got another better box to box player .im still judging davis to be fair ,but not5 much so far to report .ok he scored but hammond did also .i just cant see where he his any better than hammond so far
This is the Northern Ireland captain and ex rangers captain your talking about...

Hammond isn't in the same league as Davis, literally!!!
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: As an overseas supporter i know my opinion is of less regard but IMHO Ramirez should come in at Davis expense alongside spiderman leave Punch and AL on the side and either Chung or JRod up front with Lambert. Furthermore I will not be watching the game and hopefully remove my TV watching curse. Well i'll try anyway.[/p][/quote]How can you drop Steven Davis!? He's our main midfield man this season and is a box to box player, something we lack! I'd prefer Morgan to be dropped but for some reason Adkins likes starting him so can't see that ever happening, no matter how **** poor his tackling is. My team for Villa would be; Gazzniga, Clyne, Fonte, Maya, Shaw, Ward-Prowse, Davis, Cork, Ramirez, Lallana and Lambert. Davis, Richardson, Seabourne, Morgan, Puncheon, Lee and Mayuka[/p][/quote]we got davis in ,he looks no better than hammond so far ,cork in chaplow are better box to box players ,you should get players in if there better than you got ,but davis is not in my book ,might as well of kept hammond and got another better box to box player .im still judging davis to be fair ,but not5 much so far to report .ok he scored but hammond did also .i just cant see where he his any better than hammond so far[/p][/quote]This is the Northern Ireland captain and ex rangers captain your talking about... Hammond isn't in the same league as Davis, literally!!! SouthamptonLegend
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1:16pm Wed 19 Sep 12

lowe esteem says...

AndyAndrews wrote:
Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game!
PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?
Please don't be Lazy And Boring by Prematurely calling for the Manager's head-put your own head on the block,tell us your own views AA?

PS: Saints Are IN The Stripes!
[quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game! PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?[/p][/quote]Please don't be Lazy And Boring by Prematurely calling for the Manager's head-put your own head on the block,tell us your own views AA? PS: Saints Are IN The Stripes! lowe esteem
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1:17pm Wed 19 Sep 12

saintkenny says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Apparently we're talking to Craig Gordon!

Let's all hold hands and pray he signs in time to play on Saturday!
it could help help if we had a left back and a right back ,davis is to exposed most of the goals ,no keepwer would have chance .behind the defence 5 yard shots and headers .some crosses yes ,but he has been better protected when he his .championship 19 clean sheets .one of them at leeds or we would of been in the playoffs,and 20 clean sheets in league one.also take into account we have had more against us in the premier league .in defense and midfield were not good enough so far.you could put the great peter shilton in were stiill let goals in ,lets be realistic here
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: Apparently we're talking to Craig Gordon! Let's all hold hands and pray he signs in time to play on Saturday![/p][/quote]it could help help if we had a left back and a right back ,davis is to exposed most of the goals ,no keepwer would have chance .behind the defence 5 yard shots and headers .some crosses yes ,but he has been better protected when he his .championship 19 clean sheets .one of them at leeds or we would of been in the playoffs,and 20 clean sheets in league one.also take into account we have had more against us in the premier league .in defense and midfield were not good enough so far.you could put the great peter shilton in were stiill let goals in ,lets be realistic here saintkenny
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1:19pm Wed 19 Sep 12

saintkenny says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
As an overseas supporter i know my opinion is of less regard but IMHO Ramirez should come in at Davis expense alongside spiderman leave Punch and AL on the side and either Chung or JRod up front with Lambert.
Furthermore I will not be watching the game and hopefully remove my TV watching curse.
Well i'll try anyway.
How can you drop Steven Davis!? He's our main midfield man this season and is a box to box player, something we lack!

I'd prefer Morgan to be dropped but for some reason Adkins likes starting him so can't see that ever happening, no matter how **** poor his tackling is.

My team for Villa would be; Gazzniga, Clyne, Fonte, Maya, Shaw, Ward-Prowse, Davis, Cork, Ramirez, Lallana and Lambert.

Davis, Richardson, Seabourne, Morgan, Puncheon, Lee and Mayuka
we got davis in ,he looks no better than hammond so far ,cork in chaplow are better box to box players ,you should get players in if there better than you got ,but davis is not in my book ,might as well of kept hammond and got another better box to box player .im still judging davis to be fair ,but not5 much so far to report .ok he scored but hammond did also .i just cant see where he his any better than hammond so far
This is the Northern Ireland captain and ex rangers captain your talking about...

Hammond isn't in the same league as Davis, literally!!!
well spo far he has not shown that in a saints shirt .nortern ireland his hardly a world force .makes no difference to me
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: As an overseas supporter i know my opinion is of less regard but IMHO Ramirez should come in at Davis expense alongside spiderman leave Punch and AL on the side and either Chung or JRod up front with Lambert. Furthermore I will not be watching the game and hopefully remove my TV watching curse. Well i'll try anyway.[/p][/quote]How can you drop Steven Davis!? He's our main midfield man this season and is a box to box player, something we lack! I'd prefer Morgan to be dropped but for some reason Adkins likes starting him so can't see that ever happening, no matter how **** poor his tackling is. My team for Villa would be; Gazzniga, Clyne, Fonte, Maya, Shaw, Ward-Prowse, Davis, Cork, Ramirez, Lallana and Lambert. Davis, Richardson, Seabourne, Morgan, Puncheon, Lee and Mayuka[/p][/quote]we got davis in ,he looks no better than hammond so far ,cork in chaplow are better box to box players ,you should get players in if there better than you got ,but davis is not in my book ,might as well of kept hammond and got another better box to box player .im still judging davis to be fair ,but not5 much so far to report .ok he scored but hammond did also .i just cant see where he his any better than hammond so far[/p][/quote]This is the Northern Ireland captain and ex rangers captain your talking about... Hammond isn't in the same league as Davis, literally!!![/p][/quote]well spo far he has not shown that in a saints shirt .nortern ireland his hardly a world force .makes no difference to me saintkenny
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1:22pm Wed 19 Sep 12

CB FRY LIVES says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Step up Yoshida! Looking forward to seeing him play along with Ramirez.
well said.it has to be Yoshida.lets hope he can get up the other end too and score like Jos did for us several times last season.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Step up Yoshida! Looking forward to seeing him play along with Ramirez.[/p][/quote]well said.it has to be Yoshida.lets hope he can get up the other end too and score like Jos did for us several times last season. CB FRY LIVES
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1:26pm Wed 19 Sep 12

mike saint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
St. Saint wrote:
mike saint wrote:
Thats our best centre half out then.
Hope we can loan one by Sat along with a goalkeeper. Davis must be Dropped.
Christ! Learn the rules
Free agents can be signed by a club at any time in the season, if they had been released by their previous club before the end of the transfer window. A club can request to sign a player on emergency basis, e.g. if several goalkeepers are injured at the same time. Christ, has nothing to do with it.
Well said
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St. Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike saint[/bold] wrote: Thats our best centre half out then. Hope we can loan one by Sat along with a goalkeeper. Davis must be Dropped.[/p][/quote]Christ! Learn the rules[/p][/quote]Free agents can be signed by a club at any time in the season, if they had been released by their previous club before the end of the transfer window. A club can request to sign a player on emergency basis, e.g. if several goalkeepers are injured at the same time. Christ, has nothing to do with it.[/p][/quote]Well said mike saint
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1:59pm Wed 19 Sep 12

nose74 says...

Just checked on Wikipedia about Craig gordon and it says his current club it's the might saints. Read into it as you wish but I for one would welcome him with open arms.
Just checked on Wikipedia about Craig gordon and it says his current club it's the might saints. Read into it as you wish but I for one would welcome him with open arms. nose74
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2:11pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

There are a few reports out their saying we have approached Gordon. He cost Sunderland 9m in 2007 but injury after injury led them to release him. He claims to be fully fit now.
There are a few reports out their saying we have approached Gordon. He cost Sunderland 9m in 2007 but injury after injury led them to release him. He claims to be fully fit now. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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2:26pm Wed 19 Sep 12

SaintMax says...

Strange that nobody else seems to be reported to be interested in him.. I wonder if the only catch is the injury bit? I agree to an extent with Saintkenny regarding our defence leaving David exposed on several occassions mind you. For the best will in the world if you are one on one with Gervinhio and co coming at you then you've got to make a blinding save.
Strange that nobody else seems to be reported to be interested in him.. I wonder if the only catch is the injury bit? I agree to an extent with Saintkenny regarding our defence leaving David exposed on several occassions mind you. For the best will in the world if you are one on one with Gervinhio and co coming at you then you've got to make a blinding save. SaintMax
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2:34pm Wed 19 Sep 12

promised land says...

An injury to either Fonte or Yoshida on Saturday and we are in BIG trouble.
An injury to either Fonte or Yoshida on Saturday and we are in BIG trouble. promised land
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2:40pm Wed 19 Sep 12

buster gutt says...

Anyone like to comment on rumour on all tab press and in Spain that Raphael Benitez is being lined up to replace Nigel
I can't think of anything that make the team play even worse.Hope it's not going to be headline news in the Echo
Anyone like to comment on rumour on all tab press and in Spain that Raphael Benitez is being lined up to replace Nigel I can't think of anything that make the team play even worse.Hope it's not going to be headline news in the Echo buster gutt
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2:47pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Mush On The Beach says...

So what if that 3rd rate rag Daily Star says this week Benitez to take over from Nigel, didn’t they spout off it was Redknapp last week.
Not fit and proper enough to eat your fish and chips off from.
Cue a skunt joke please ......
So what if that 3rd rate rag Daily Star says this week Benitez to take over from Nigel, didn’t they spout off it was Redknapp last week. Not fit and proper enough to eat your fish and chips off from. Cue a skunt joke please ...... Mush On The Beach
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2:53pm Wed 19 Sep 12

SaintMax says...

Well NC is ambitious and ruthless too, but I think he has far too much respect for what Nigel has achieved over the last two seasons to panic over 4 games.Replacing NA is just paper talk.
Well NC is ambitious and ruthless too, but I think he has far too much respect for what Nigel has achieved over the last two seasons to panic over 4 games.Replacing NA is just paper talk. SaintMax
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2:58pm Wed 19 Sep 12

SouthamptonLegend says...

saintkenny wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Apparently we're talking to Craig Gordon!

Let's all hold hands and pray he signs in time to play on Saturday!
it could help help if we had a left back and a right back ,davis is to exposed most of the goals ,no keepwer would have chance .behind the defence 5 yard shots and headers .some crosses yes ,but he has been better protected when he his .championship 19 clean sheets .one of them at leeds or we would of been in the playoffs,and 20 clean sheets in league one.also take into account we have had more against us in the premier league .in defense and midfield were not good enough so far.you could put the great peter shilton in were stiill let goals in ,lets be realistic here
I agree it's not just Davis' fault, Adkins has shot himself in the foot not signing defenders.

But that game at Leeds was a once in a lifetime performance. Have you ever seen Davis play like that before or after that game?

We need a keeper who is a footballer. Someone who's quick with distributing the ball, can catch crosses, can kick a ball straight (to our own players), comes out to close down the opposition in 1 on 1 situations and a good communicator. None of these qualities Davis possesses.

Let's be realistic...if there is a better goalkeeper than Davis available we probably will sign him and give ourselves as much of a chance as we can to keep the goals down now. That goes with defenders too, if there is any decent ones left we'll probably sign one because, let's face it, we are starting to look desperate at the back in terms of quality.
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: Apparently we're talking to Craig Gordon! Let's all hold hands and pray he signs in time to play on Saturday![/p][/quote]it could help help if we had a left back and a right back ,davis is to exposed most of the goals ,no keepwer would have chance .behind the defence 5 yard shots and headers .some crosses yes ,but he has been better protected when he his .championship 19 clean sheets .one of them at leeds or we would of been in the playoffs,and 20 clean sheets in league one.also take into account we have had more against us in the premier league .in defense and midfield were not good enough so far.you could put the great peter shilton in were stiill let goals in ,lets be realistic here[/p][/quote]I agree it's not just Davis' fault, Adkins has shot himself in the foot not signing defenders. But that game at Leeds was a once in a lifetime performance. Have you ever seen Davis play like that before or after that game? We need a keeper who is a footballer. Someone who's quick with distributing the ball, can catch crosses, can kick a ball straight (to our own players), comes out to close down the opposition in 1 on 1 situations and a good communicator. None of these qualities Davis possesses. Let's be realistic...if there is a better goalkeeper than Davis available we probably will sign him and give ourselves as much of a chance as we can to keep the goals down now. That goes with defenders too, if there is any decent ones left we'll probably sign one because, let's face it, we are starting to look desperate at the back in terms of quality. SouthamptonLegend
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3:03pm Wed 19 Sep 12

george chivers says...

redsnapper wrote:
Kelvin,s recent perfomances remind of Dave McClaren, a complete flapper in the box.

Watching Spurs the other day their keeper had acres of space to distribute as their defenders moved up smartly, our back 4 and certainly Fox stay too deep.
KD then passes to Fox 9 times out of 10 so even the dumbest opposition soon realise how to beat us.

Wake up Saints
Kelvin hasn't been in good nick recently, but please don't compare him to Dave McClaren.

McClaren was dreadful! Don't forget Kelvin was pick of the league keeper for both of our promotions.

McClaren was as bad as Bart at his worst, except is was every week without fail.

Bart is now playing well for Notts County.
[quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: Kelvin,s recent perfomances remind of Dave McClaren, a complete flapper in the box. Watching Spurs the other day their keeper had acres of space to distribute as their defenders moved up smartly, our back 4 and certainly Fox stay too deep. KD then passes to Fox 9 times out of 10 so even the dumbest opposition soon realise how to beat us. Wake up Saints[/p][/quote]Kelvin hasn't been in good nick recently, but please don't compare him to Dave McClaren. McClaren was dreadful! Don't forget Kelvin was pick of the league keeper for both of our promotions. McClaren was as bad as Bart at his worst, except is was every week without fail. Bart is now playing well for Notts County. george chivers
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3:18pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Mush On The Beach says...

george chivers wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
Kelvin,s recent perfomances remind of Dave McClaren, a complete flapper in the box.

Watching Spurs the other day their keeper had acres of space to distribute as their defenders moved up smartly, our back 4 and certainly Fox stay too deep.
KD then passes to Fox 9 times out of 10 so even the dumbest opposition soon realise how to beat us.

Wake up Saints
Kelvin hasn't been in good nick recently, but please don't compare him to Dave McClaren.

McClaren was dreadful! Don't forget Kelvin was pick of the league keeper for both of our promotions.

McClaren was as bad as Bart at his worst, except is was every week without fail.

Bart is now playing well for Notts County.
But is he as good as Joe Hart the England No. 1 at Real Madrid last night? .... its a tough gig being a keeper.
I believe the defence can certainly help your cause.
Kelv does need a radar for his near post though this season, it has looked little shaky on occasions.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: Kelvin,s recent perfomances remind of Dave McClaren, a complete flapper in the box. Watching Spurs the other day their keeper had acres of space to distribute as their defenders moved up smartly, our back 4 and certainly Fox stay too deep. KD then passes to Fox 9 times out of 10 so even the dumbest opposition soon realise how to beat us. Wake up Saints[/p][/quote]Kelvin hasn't been in good nick recently, but please don't compare him to Dave McClaren. McClaren was dreadful! Don't forget Kelvin was pick of the league keeper for both of our promotions. McClaren was as bad as Bart at his worst, except is was every week without fail. Bart is now playing well for Notts County.[/p][/quote]But is he as good as Joe Hart the England No. 1 at Real Madrid last night? .... its a tough gig being a keeper. I believe the defence can certainly help your cause. Kelv does need a radar for his near post though this season, it has looked little shaky on occasions. Mush On The Beach
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3:30pm Wed 19 Sep 12

SO50 Saint says...

TBF to Hart he made some awesome saves to keep Citeh in the game at 0-0 during the first half one from Ronaldo was world class
TBF to Hart he made some awesome saves to keep Citeh in the game at 0-0 during the first half one from Ronaldo was world class SO50 Saint
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3:37pm Wed 19 Sep 12

boobooj says...

SFC4EVA wrote:
AndyAndrews wrote:
Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game! PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?
As I said on a previous thread......

"If we had got the same results against Man U, Man City and Arsenal with a slip-up against a lower placed team (Wigan) spread out throughout 3 or 4 months no one would have been batted an eyelid. It just so happened we played 3 of the best teams is the country and possibly europe in the first 4 games of the season. Wigan, i'd like to think was a slip-up and we would get something from "Wigan" type teams. Wigan who, let's not forget, have been in the Premier League for 7 years! I'd like to think that NC has enough about him to realise the sort of teams MU, MC & Arsenal are!

Some people need a reality check."

Let's not hit the panic button yet! COYR
Totally agree. Not only that, but playing the tops teams in such a short space of time was always going to damage team morale - hence the inevitable 6-1 drubbing at the Emirates.

I fully expect the team to get the 3 points at the weekend and calm some of the doubters.
[quote][p][bold]SFC4EVA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game! PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?[/p][/quote]As I said on a previous thread...... "If we had got the same results against Man U, Man City and Arsenal with a slip-up against a lower placed team (Wigan) spread out throughout 3 or 4 months no one would have been batted an eyelid. It just so happened we played 3 of the best teams is the country and possibly europe in the first 4 games of the season. Wigan, i'd like to think was a slip-up and we would get something from "Wigan" type teams. Wigan who, let's not forget, have been in the Premier League for 7 years! I'd like to think that NC has enough about him to realise the sort of teams MU, MC & Arsenal are! Some people need a reality check." Let's not hit the panic button yet! COYR[/p][/quote]Totally agree. Not only that, but playing the tops teams in such a short space of time was always going to damage team morale - hence the inevitable 6-1 drubbing at the Emirates. I fully expect the team to get the 3 points at the weekend and calm some of the doubters. boobooj
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3:39pm Wed 19 Sep 12

boobooj says...

SO50 Saint wrote:
TBF to Hart he made some awesome saves to keep Citeh in the game at 0-0 during the first half one from Ronaldo was world class
He probably would've done more with the Ronaldo shot too if Kompany hadn't ducked and covered like he was being shot at.
[quote][p][bold]SO50 Saint[/bold] wrote: TBF to Hart he made some awesome saves to keep Citeh in the game at 0-0 during the first half one from Ronaldo was world class[/p][/quote]He probably would've done more with the Ronaldo shot too if Kompany hadn't ducked and covered like he was being shot at. boobooj
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3:42pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Mush On The Beach says...

SO50 Saint wrote:
TBF to Hart he made some awesome saves to keep Citeh in the game at 0-0 during the first half one from Ronaldo was world class
I see your TBF and raise you another TBF .... Davis has saved 2 penalties from the top 2 Prem teams from last year.
[quote][p][bold]SO50 Saint[/bold] wrote: TBF to Hart he made some awesome saves to keep Citeh in the game at 0-0 during the first half one from Ronaldo was world class[/p][/quote]I see your TBF and raise you another TBF .... Davis has saved 2 penalties from the top 2 Prem teams from last year. Mush On The Beach
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3:44pm Wed 19 Sep 12

SO50 Saint says...

I'm not arguing the case about Davis Mush I choose not to slate individuals on here but do feel the competition of someone like Gordon would be excellent.
I'm not arguing the case about Davis Mush I choose not to slate individuals on here but do feel the competition of someone like Gordon would be excellent. SO50 Saint
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3:48pm Wed 19 Sep 12

SaintMax says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
SO50 Saint wrote:
TBF to Hart he made some awesome saves to keep Citeh in the game at 0-0 during the first half one from Ronaldo was world class
I see your TBF and raise you another TBF .... Davis has saved 2 penalties from the top 2 Prem teams from last year.
One of those could have been saved by by 3 year old daughter mind you.
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SO50 Saint[/bold] wrote: TBF to Hart he made some awesome saves to keep Citeh in the game at 0-0 during the first half one from Ronaldo was world class[/p][/quote]I see your TBF and raise you another TBF .... Davis has saved 2 penalties from the top 2 Prem teams from last year.[/p][/quote]One of those could have been saved by by 3 year old daughter mind you. SaintMax
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3:52pm Wed 19 Sep 12

SouthamptonLegend says...

Rumours of Rafa Benitez...

At least it's better than being linked with that twitchy skate ****.
Rumours of Rafa Benitez... At least it's better than being linked with that twitchy skate ****. SouthamptonLegend
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3:59pm Wed 19 Sep 12

SaintMax says...

At least Rafa and Ricky would be able to understand eachother..
At least Rafa and Ricky would be able to understand eachother.. SaintMax
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3:59pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Mush On The Beach says...

SaintMax wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
SO50 Saint wrote:
TBF to Hart he made some awesome saves to keep Citeh in the game at 0-0 during the first half one from Ronaldo was world class
I see your TBF and raise you another TBF .... Davis has saved 2 penalties from the top 2 Prem teams from last year.
One of those could have been saved by by 3 year old daughter mind you.
You show a lack of respect to goal keepers who have the balls to wait to the last minute instead of diving too early and going to the left or the right.
Granted, a smart 3 yr old keeper like your daughter may have the same talent .... Sign her up now with the Academy
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SO50 Saint[/bold] wrote: TBF to Hart he made some awesome saves to keep Citeh in the game at 0-0 during the first half one from Ronaldo was world class[/p][/quote]I see your TBF and raise you another TBF .... Davis has saved 2 penalties from the top 2 Prem teams from last year.[/p][/quote]One of those could have been saved by by 3 year old daughter mind you.[/p][/quote]You show a lack of respect to goal keepers who have the balls to wait to the last minute instead of diving too early and going to the left or the right. Granted, a smart 3 yr old keeper like your daughter may have the same talent .... Sign her up now with the Academy Mush On The Beach
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4:07pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Mush On The Beach says...

SO50 Saint wrote:
I'm not arguing the case about Davis Mush I choose not to slate individuals on here but do feel the competition of someone like Gordon would be excellent.
Agreed then
[quote][p][bold]SO50 Saint[/bold] wrote: I'm not arguing the case about Davis Mush I choose not to slate individuals on here but do feel the competition of someone like Gordon would be excellent.[/p][/quote]Agreed then Mush On The Beach
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4:22pm Wed 19 Sep 12

SaintMax says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
SO50 Saint wrote:
TBF to Hart he made some awesome saves to keep Citeh in the game at 0-0 during the first half one from Ronaldo was world class
I see your TBF and raise you another TBF .... Davis has saved 2 penalties from the top 2 Prem teams from last year.
One of those could have been saved by by 3 year old daughter mind you.
You show a lack of respect to goal keepers who have the balls to wait to the last minute instead of diving too early and going to the left or the right.
Granted, a smart 3 yr old keeper like your daughter may have the same talent .... Sign her up now with the Academy
She's on Barca's books already but I will have a word with her to see if she could consider us when the great Davis hangs his gloves (much respect..)
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SO50 Saint[/bold] wrote: TBF to Hart he made some awesome saves to keep Citeh in the game at 0-0 during the first half one from Ronaldo was world class[/p][/quote]I see your TBF and raise you another TBF .... Davis has saved 2 penalties from the top 2 Prem teams from last year.[/p][/quote]One of those could have been saved by by 3 year old daughter mind you.[/p][/quote]You show a lack of respect to goal keepers who have the balls to wait to the last minute instead of diving too early and going to the left or the right. Granted, a smart 3 yr old keeper like your daughter may have the same talent .... Sign her up now with the Academy[/p][/quote]She's on Barca's books already but I will have a word with her to see if she could consider us when the great Davis hangs his gloves (much respect..) SaintMax
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5:36pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Velleity says...

A statistic that might help the debate. Which keeper in the premiership has had the most shots taken at him? I'll give you a clue, his initials are KD.

So, the root problem might lie a little further forward than Kelvin.
A statistic that might help the debate. Which keeper in the premiership has had the most shots taken at him? I'll give you a clue, his initials are KD. So, the root problem might lie a little further forward than Kelvin. Velleity
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5:58pm Wed 19 Sep 12

PTID1898 says...

It won't make any difference who is out injured or who is fit you will loose anyway.PUP
It won't make any difference who is out injured or who is fit you will loose anyway.PUP PTID1898
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6:19pm Wed 19 Sep 12

slugger says...

PTID1898 wrote:
It won't make any difference who is out injured or who is fit you will loose anyway.PUP
loose what ?
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: It won't make any difference who is out injured or who is fit you will loose anyway.PUP[/p][/quote]loose what ? slugger
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6:26pm Wed 19 Sep 12

SaintMax says...

slugger wrote:
PTID1898 wrote:
It won't make any difference who is out injured or who is fit you will loose anyway.PUP
loose what ?
Have we forgotten to tighten something thats come loose? Nice of him to warn us.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: It won't make any difference who is out injured or who is fit you will loose anyway.PUP[/p][/quote]loose what ?[/p][/quote]Have we forgotten to tighten something thats come loose? Nice of him to warn us. SaintMax
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6:29pm Wed 19 Sep 12

slugger says...

stupid skunt !
stupid skunt ! slugger
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6:34pm Wed 19 Sep 12

SFC1976 says...

PTID1898 wrote:
It won't make any difference who is out injured or who is fit you will loose anyway.PUP
Same as you lot last night then beaten at home again this time by the Mighty Swindon been a good week for Pompey mind you playing 2 teams of such quality is no shock you lost both.
On the plus side I see you had a huge crowd at Fratton last night least you can still claim to be the bestest fans in the whole wide world ever :) well 10,000 of you can shame the other 7000 from the Bournemouth game couldnt be bothered to turn up. Pack the park you lot couldn't pack a suitcase.
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: It won't make any difference who is out injured or who is fit you will loose anyway.PUP[/p][/quote]Same as you lot last night then beaten at home again this time by the Mighty Swindon been a good week for Pompey mind you playing 2 teams of such quality is no shock you lost both. On the plus side I see you had a huge crowd at Fratton last night least you can still claim to be the bestest fans in the whole wide world ever :) well 10,000 of you can shame the other 7000 from the Bournemouth game couldnt be bothered to turn up. Pack the park you lot couldn't pack a suitcase. SFC1976
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6:42pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Scarborosaint says...

NA is trying to reward some of the boys who have got us promoted over the last 2 years , KD for one turned down west ham a few years ago when they were in the premiership to stay with the saints in division 1 , stayed on a lot less money I would think, players get accused of being mercenary think he deserves a chance to prove he is premiership quality , NA will know and decide if some of these players can't cut the mustard !! Can't believe that the papers and some so called supporters are calling for the managers head after 4 games of a season !!
NA is trying to reward some of the boys who have got us promoted over the last 2 years , KD for one turned down west ham a few years ago when they were in the premiership to stay with the saints in division 1 , stayed on a lot less money I would think, players get accused of being mercenary think he deserves a chance to prove he is premiership quality , NA will know and decide if some of these players can't cut the mustard !! Can't believe that the papers and some so called supporters are calling for the managers head after 4 games of a season !! Scarborosaint
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7:03pm Wed 19 Sep 12

warrens 76 says...

lowe esteem wrote:
AndyAndrews wrote:
Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game!
PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?
Please don't be Lazy And Boring by Prematurely calling for the Manager's head-put your own head on the block,tell us your own views AA?

PS: Saints Are IN The Stripes!
Well I'm not sure i would call them stripes which would indicate a certain width usually defined as the same width as the adjacent colour...lines yes.
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game! PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?[/p][/quote]Please don't be Lazy And Boring by Prematurely calling for the Manager's head-put your own head on the block,tell us your own views AA? PS: Saints Are IN The Stripes![/p][/quote]Well I'm not sure i would call them stripes which would indicate a certain width usually defined as the same width as the adjacent colour...lines yes. warrens 76
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7:45pm Wed 19 Sep 12

saintshorse101 says...

I have been reading these posts for a while, and from what i have read I understand that we are able to sign free agents . well ive have been seaching the world for top quality free agents and think i have found some.
1st IRON MAN, who could put some much needed steel into our midfield.
2nd THOR & CAPTAIN AMERICA, would bolster our defence.
3rd THE HULK, put him in goal and no shot would get past.
4th and last HAWKEYE, pin point crosses for rickie to blast home.
now they have all been under contract to the avengers but after beating loki in the world final are now free agents.
if NC or NA read these posts please get them in!
I have been reading these posts for a while, and from what i have read I understand that we are able to sign free agents . well ive have been seaching the world for top quality free agents and think i have found some. 1st IRON MAN, who could put some much needed steel into our midfield. 2nd THOR & CAPTAIN AMERICA, would bolster our defence. 3rd THE HULK, put him in goal and no shot would get past. 4th and last HAWKEYE, pin point crosses for rickie to blast home. now they have all been under contract to the avengers but after beating loki in the world final are now free agents. if NC or NA read these posts please get them in! saintshorse101
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7:50pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Velleity says...

Alicesdad wrote:
AndyAndrews wrote:
Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game!
PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?
It might be worth looking at the statistics and overall position from a different perspective. Try it !

Persepctive One: Instead of the somewhat superficial 5/5 defeats, why not check out how many other teams last season lost away to City and Arsenal and also lost at home to Utd. I can't be bothered to look it up as I'm sure someone else will.

I wouldn't mind betting it covers a whole load of teams, many of whom kept their managers.

Perspective Two: A manager is a key appointment at a club, they are new to the premiership. The club has spent a shedload (£30m) on new players and the new boys havent had a chance to play together yet.

That warrants time and a proper assessment. We are nowhere near that assessment yet.

Perspective Three: Management change is disruptive to team spirit. The manager is highly thought of by the players. This is not Chelsea where a bunch of ageing egoistic relics form a clique to get rid of the manager. We are Southampton and are way above that gutter. The team spirit is excellent at this club, as endorsed time and tme again by many players. To disrupt that too soon would be folly.

Perspective four: The cult of management sacking is one of the main reasons that clubs fortunes are like roller coasters. Look at our own history in that respect. When Mcmenemy took over he took us down in his first year. The cup win rescued him. Then he showed his true worth over the next few years. In recent years we have been a mess with management change. And now Adkins has arrived and we have seen success and consistency for two years. He is passionate, knowledgeable and tactically shrewd. He may not be the most charismatic interviewee on TV but he does demonstrate honesty, a sincere belief in the way this team plays, he truly knows what he is trying to do and will be a legend at this club if only the doom merchants are kept firmly in their place.

This team will not be relegated. I fully expect a respectable mid table position by the end of the season. I also think that the majority of fans believe this too.
Alicesdad: Thanks for that thought - hadn't looked up the data.

Here it is.

in 2011, teams who lost to Arsenal away, Man C away and Man U at home were:

Villa - 15th
Blackburn - Relegated
Bolton - Relegated
Everton - 7th
QPR - 17th
Swansea - 12th
Spurs - 4th
WBA - 10th

Not so shabby a list, is it? So, out of the 17 teams in the premiership who weren't ManU, ManC or Arsenal, 50% of them had the results we've had against them this season.

I do wish the doom mongers who think the sky is falling in would get a sense of perspective: we've had a tough start that put us up against it while we were still finding our feet. Have a little faith.

I do expect the pessimists to find a reason why this isn't important, but I see it as a pretty arresting statistic.

Anyway, whatever anyone thinks, I'll be bellowing as loud as I can muster up in row FF of the Northam when they come out on Saturday. Get behind the team and support the boys!
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game! PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?[/p][/quote]It might be worth looking at the statistics and overall position from a different perspective. Try it ! Persepctive One: Instead of the somewhat superficial 5/5 defeats, why not check out how many other teams last season lost away to City and Arsenal and also lost at home to Utd. I can't be bothered to look it up as I'm sure someone else will. I wouldn't mind betting it covers a whole load of teams, many of whom kept their managers. Perspective Two: A manager is a key appointment at a club, they are new to the premiership. The club has spent a shedload (£30m) on new players and the new boys havent had a chance to play together yet. That warrants time and a proper assessment. We are nowhere near that assessment yet. Perspective Three: Management change is disruptive to team spirit. The manager is highly thought of by the players. This is not Chelsea where a bunch of ageing egoistic relics form a clique to get rid of the manager. We are Southampton and are way above that gutter. The team spirit is excellent at this club, as endorsed time and tme again by many players. To disrupt that too soon would be folly. Perspective four: The cult of management sacking is one of the main reasons that clubs fortunes are like roller coasters. Look at our own history in that respect. When Mcmenemy took over he took us down in his first year. The cup win rescued him. Then he showed his true worth over the next few years. In recent years we have been a mess with management change. And now Adkins has arrived and we have seen success and consistency for two years. He is passionate, knowledgeable and tactically shrewd. He may not be the most charismatic interviewee on TV but he does demonstrate honesty, a sincere belief in the way this team plays, he truly knows what he is trying to do and will be a legend at this club if only the doom merchants are kept firmly in their place. This team will not be relegated. I fully expect a respectable mid table position by the end of the season. I also think that the majority of fans believe this too.[/p][/quote]Alicesdad: Thanks for that thought - hadn't looked up the data. Here it is. in 2011, teams who lost to Arsenal away, Man C away and Man U at home were: Villa - 15th Blackburn - Relegated Bolton - Relegated Everton - 7th QPR - 17th Swansea - 12th Spurs - 4th WBA - 10th Not so shabby a list, is it? So, out of the 17 teams in the premiership who weren't ManU, ManC or Arsenal, 50% of them had the results we've had against them this season. I do wish the doom mongers who think the sky is falling in would get a sense of perspective: we've had a tough start that put us up against it while we were still finding our feet. Have a little faith. I do expect the pessimists to find a reason why this isn't important, but I see it as a pretty arresting statistic. Anyway, whatever anyone thinks, I'll be bellowing as loud as I can muster up in row FF of the Northam when they come out on Saturday. Get behind the team and support the boys! Velleity
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7:52pm Wed 19 Sep 12

City Saint says...

I tend to agree with the view that Adkins will face the axe if we lose to villa, which is triply a shame because villa have found form; Liverpool don't look that much better than us and Adkins deserves better.

Let's hope the boys do it for Nige this weekend. If he can get some wins under his belt, he should get the longer run he deserves.
I tend to agree with the view that Adkins will face the axe if we lose to villa, which is triply a shame because villa have found form; Liverpool don't look that much better than us and Adkins deserves better. Let's hope the boys do it for Nige this weekend. If he can get some wins under his belt, he should get the longer run he deserves. City Saint
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8:43pm Wed 19 Sep 12

slugger says...

negative thoughts breed more negative thoughts ................. hold your nerve !
negative thoughts breed more negative thoughts ................. hold your nerve ! slugger
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8:57pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Corkonian Saint says...

Scarborosaint wrote:
NA is trying to reward some of the boys who have got us promoted over the last 2 years , KD for one turned down west ham a few years ago when they were in the premiership to stay with the saints in division 1 , stayed on a lot less money I would think, players get accused of being mercenary think he deserves a chance to prove he is premiership quality , NA will know and decide if some of these players can't cut the mustard !! Can't believe that the papers and some so called supporters are calling for the managers head after 4 games of a season !!
What he said!
[quote][p][bold]Scarborosaint[/bold] wrote: NA is trying to reward some of the boys who have got us promoted over the last 2 years , KD for one turned down west ham a few years ago when they were in the premiership to stay with the saints in division 1 , stayed on a lot less money I would think, players get accused of being mercenary think he deserves a chance to prove he is premiership quality , NA will know and decide if some of these players can't cut the mustard !! Can't believe that the papers and some so called supporters are calling for the managers head after 4 games of a season !![/p][/quote]What he said! Corkonian Saint
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9:39pm Wed 19 Sep 12

webbinho says...

Velleity wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
AndyAndrews wrote:
Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game!
PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?
It might be worth looking at the statistics and overall position from a different perspective. Try it !

Persepctive One: Instead of the somewhat superficial 5/5 defeats, why not check out how many other teams last season lost away to City and Arsenal and also lost at home to Utd. I can't be bothered to look it up as I'm sure someone else will.

I wouldn't mind betting it covers a whole load of teams, many of whom kept their managers.

Perspective Two: A manager is a key appointment at a club, they are new to the premiership. The club has spent a shedload (£30m) on new players and the new boys havent had a chance to play together yet.

That warrants time and a proper assessment. We are nowhere near that assessment yet.

Perspective Three: Management change is disruptive to team spirit. The manager is highly thought of by the players. This is not Chelsea where a bunch of ageing egoistic relics form a clique to get rid of the manager. We are Southampton and are way above that gutter. The team spirit is excellent at this club, as endorsed time and tme again by many players. To disrupt that too soon would be folly.

Perspective four: The cult of management sacking is one of the main reasons that clubs fortunes are like roller coasters. Look at our own history in that respect. When Mcmenemy took over he took us down in his first year. The cup win rescued him. Then he showed his true worth over the next few years. In recent years we have been a mess with management change. And now Adkins has arrived and we have seen success and consistency for two years. He is passionate, knowledgeable and tactically shrewd. He may not be the most charismatic interviewee on TV but he does demonstrate honesty, a sincere belief in the way this team plays, he truly knows what he is trying to do and will be a legend at this club if only the doom merchants are kept firmly in their place.

This team will not be relegated. I fully expect a respectable mid table position by the end of the season. I also think that the majority of fans believe this too.
Alicesdad: Thanks for that thought - hadn't looked up the data.

Here it is.

in 2011, teams who lost to Arsenal away, Man C away and Man U at home were:

Villa - 15th
Blackburn - Relegated
Bolton - Relegated
Everton - 7th
QPR - 17th
Swansea - 12th
Spurs - 4th
WBA - 10th

Not so shabby a list, is it? So, out of the 17 teams in the premiership who weren't ManU, ManC or Arsenal, 50% of them had the results we've had against them this season.

I do wish the doom mongers who think the sky is falling in would get a sense of perspective: we've had a tough start that put us up against it while we were still finding our feet. Have a little faith.

I do expect the pessimists to find a reason why this isn't important, but I see it as a pretty arresting statistic.

Anyway, whatever anyone thinks, I'll be bellowing as loud as I can muster up in row FF of the Northam when they come out on Saturday. Get behind the team and support the boys!
But how many conceded 12 in the process? I know Blackburn lost 7-1 at Arsenal, but as you note, they went down. I'd love to see us stay up and I'll enjoy every game at St Mary's this season, but honestly don't see us winning many although think we may score.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game! PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?[/p][/quote]It might be worth looking at the statistics and overall position from a different perspective. Try it ! Persepctive One: Instead of the somewhat superficial 5/5 defeats, why not check out how many other teams last season lost away to City and Arsenal and also lost at home to Utd. I can't be bothered to look it up as I'm sure someone else will. I wouldn't mind betting it covers a whole load of teams, many of whom kept their managers. Perspective Two: A manager is a key appointment at a club, they are new to the premiership. The club has spent a shedload (£30m) on new players and the new boys havent had a chance to play together yet. That warrants time and a proper assessment. We are nowhere near that assessment yet. Perspective Three: Management change is disruptive to team spirit. The manager is highly thought of by the players. This is not Chelsea where a bunch of ageing egoistic relics form a clique to get rid of the manager. We are Southampton and are way above that gutter. The team spirit is excellent at this club, as endorsed time and tme again by many players. To disrupt that too soon would be folly. Perspective four: The cult of management sacking is one of the main reasons that clubs fortunes are like roller coasters. Look at our own history in that respect. When Mcmenemy took over he took us down in his first year. The cup win rescued him. Then he showed his true worth over the next few years. In recent years we have been a mess with management change. And now Adkins has arrived and we have seen success and consistency for two years. He is passionate, knowledgeable and tactically shrewd. He may not be the most charismatic interviewee on TV but he does demonstrate honesty, a sincere belief in the way this team plays, he truly knows what he is trying to do and will be a legend at this club if only the doom merchants are kept firmly in their place. This team will not be relegated. I fully expect a respectable mid table position by the end of the season. I also think that the majority of fans believe this too.[/p][/quote]Alicesdad: Thanks for that thought - hadn't looked up the data. Here it is. in 2011, teams who lost to Arsenal away, Man C away and Man U at home were: Villa - 15th Blackburn - Relegated Bolton - Relegated Everton - 7th QPR - 17th Swansea - 12th Spurs - 4th WBA - 10th Not so shabby a list, is it? So, out of the 17 teams in the premiership who weren't ManU, ManC or Arsenal, 50% of them had the results we've had against them this season. I do wish the doom mongers who think the sky is falling in would get a sense of perspective: we've had a tough start that put us up against it while we were still finding our feet. Have a little faith. I do expect the pessimists to find a reason why this isn't important, but I see it as a pretty arresting statistic. Anyway, whatever anyone thinks, I'll be bellowing as loud as I can muster up in row FF of the Northam when they come out on Saturday. Get behind the team and support the boys![/p][/quote]But how many conceded 12 in the process? I know Blackburn lost 7-1 at Arsenal, but as you note, they went down. I'd love to see us stay up and I'll enjoy every game at St Mary's this season, but honestly don't see us winning many although think we may score. webbinho
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9:51pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Baddesley Bill says...

So...do we follow the QPR model...or the Southampton model?....I'm fairly certain which one will bear fruit in the long term COYR
So...do we follow the QPR model...or the Southampton model?....I'm fairly certain which one will bear fruit in the long term COYR Baddesley Bill
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10:24pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Velleity says...

Webbinho: The first team I chose to look up was Spurs. they conceded 11 in those games.

Arsenal 5-2
Man C 3-2
Man U 3-1

Same goals "for" as well

Not looked for any others yet, but it does put it in perspective.
Webbinho: The first team I chose to look up was Spurs. they conceded 11 in those games. Arsenal 5-2 Man C 3-2 Man U 3-1 Same goals "for" as well Not looked for any others yet, but it does put it in perspective. Velleity
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10:51pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

slugger wrote:
PTID1898 wrote:
It won't make any difference who is out injured or who is fit you will loose anyway.PUP
loose what ?
Loose bowels ......



....... d4mn fine curry, though!

Brrrmmmmpppp, pardon!
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: It won't make any difference who is out injured or who is fit you will loose anyway.PUP[/p][/quote]loose what ?[/p][/quote]Loose bowels ...... ....... d4mn fine curry, though! Brrrmmmmpppp, pardon! Strasbourg Saint
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10:52pm Wed 19 Sep 12

warrens 76 says...

PTID1898 wrote:
It won't make any difference who is out injured or who is fit you will loose anyway.PUP
Lose or as in you have a screw loose..we won't you have.
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: It won't make any difference who is out injured or who is fit you will loose anyway.PUP[/p][/quote]Lose or as in you have a screw loose..we won't you have. warrens 76
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8:53am Thu 20 Sep 12

st.athan saint says...

Alicesdad wrote:
AndyAndrews wrote:
Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game!
PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?
It might be worth looking at the statistics and overall position from a different perspective. Try it !

Persepctive One: Instead of the somewhat superficial 5/5 defeats, why not check out how many other teams last season lost away to City and Arsenal and also lost at home to Utd. I can't be bothered to look it up as I'm sure someone else will.

I wouldn't mind betting it covers a whole load of teams, many of whom kept their managers.

Perspective Two: A manager is a key appointment at a club, they are new to the premiership. The club has spent a shedload (£30m) on new players and the new boys havent had a chance to play together yet.

That warrants time and a proper assessment. We are nowhere near that assessment yet.

Perspective Three: Management change is disruptive to team spirit. The manager is highly thought of by the players. This is not Chelsea where a bunch of ageing egoistic relics form a clique to get rid of the manager. We are Southampton and are way above that gutter. The team spirit is excellent at this club, as endorsed time and tme again by many players. To disrupt that too soon would be folly.

Perspective four: The cult of management sacking is one of the main reasons that clubs fortunes are like roller coasters. Look at our own history in that respect. When Mcmenemy took over he took us down in his first year. The cup win rescued him. Then he showed his true worth over the next few years. In recent years we have been a mess with management change. And now Adkins has arrived and we have seen success and consistency for two years. He is passionate, knowledgeable and tactically shrewd. He may not be the most charismatic interviewee on TV but he does demonstrate honesty, a sincere belief in the way this team plays, he truly knows what he is trying to do and will be a legend at this club if only the doom merchants are kept firmly in their place.

This team will not be relegated. I fully expect a respectable mid table position by the end of the season. I also think that the majority of fans believe this too.
A very calm sensible thoughtful unhysterical post - quite what you're doing onhis ste I'm not sure !!!
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game! PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?[/p][/quote]It might be worth looking at the statistics and overall position from a different perspective. Try it ! Persepctive One: Instead of the somewhat superficial 5/5 defeats, why not check out how many other teams last season lost away to City and Arsenal and also lost at home to Utd. I can't be bothered to look it up as I'm sure someone else will. I wouldn't mind betting it covers a whole load of teams, many of whom kept their managers. Perspective Two: A manager is a key appointment at a club, they are new to the premiership. The club has spent a shedload (£30m) on new players and the new boys havent had a chance to play together yet. That warrants time and a proper assessment. We are nowhere near that assessment yet. Perspective Three: Management change is disruptive to team spirit. The manager is highly thought of by the players. This is not Chelsea where a bunch of ageing egoistic relics form a clique to get rid of the manager. We are Southampton and are way above that gutter. The team spirit is excellent at this club, as endorsed time and tme again by many players. To disrupt that too soon would be folly. Perspective four: The cult of management sacking is one of the main reasons that clubs fortunes are like roller coasters. Look at our own history in that respect. When Mcmenemy took over he took us down in his first year. The cup win rescued him. Then he showed his true worth over the next few years. In recent years we have been a mess with management change. And now Adkins has arrived and we have seen success and consistency for two years. He is passionate, knowledgeable and tactically shrewd. He may not be the most charismatic interviewee on TV but he does demonstrate honesty, a sincere belief in the way this team plays, he truly knows what he is trying to do and will be a legend at this club if only the doom merchants are kept firmly in their place. This team will not be relegated. I fully expect a respectable mid table position by the end of the season. I also think that the majority of fans believe this too.[/p][/quote]A very calm sensible thoughtful unhysterical post - quite what you're doing onhis ste I'm not sure !!! st.athan saint
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8:57am Thu 20 Sep 12

Flashin the pan says...

Loads of pressure on Adkin's and his men to get their first win. Come saturday's match it's probably not going to look any better after the Villa game. Club expectations and building pressure during that game could be just too much... another loss looks imminent.
1-3
Loads of pressure on Adkin's and his men to get their first win. Come saturday's match it's probably not going to look any better after the Villa game. Club expectations and building pressure during that game could be just too much... another loss looks imminent. 1-3 Flashin the pan
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8:59am Thu 20 Sep 12

Flashin the pan says...

Loads of pressure on Adkin's and his men to get their first win. Come saturday's match it's probably not going to look any better after the Villa game. Club expectations of Adkins and building pressure on the team to win during that game could be just too much... another loss looks imminent.
1-3
Loads of pressure on Adkin's and his men to get their first win. Come saturday's match it's probably not going to look any better after the Villa game. Club expectations of Adkins and building pressure on the team to win during that game could be just too much... another loss looks imminent. 1-3 Flashin the pan
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9:20am Thu 20 Sep 12

SO50 Saint says...

Thanks Flashin can we have your predictions for the match with whoever your lot are playing this weekend please. By the way his name is Nigel Adkins so there's no need for the '.
Thanks Flashin can we have your predictions for the match with whoever your lot are playing this weekend please. By the way his name is Nigel Adkins so there's no need for the '. SO50 Saint
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12:13pm Thu 20 Sep 12

SO50 Saint says...

Typical Skunt happy to comment about the Saints but when it comes to his pathetic joke of a football club no response at all
Typical Skunt happy to comment about the Saints but when it comes to his pathetic joke of a football club no response at all SO50 Saint
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3:36pm Thu 20 Sep 12

st1halo says...

Alicesdad wrote:
AndyAndrews wrote:
Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game!
PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?
It might be worth looking at the statistics and overall position from a different perspective. Try it !

Persepctive One: Instead of the somewhat superficial 5/5 defeats, why not check out how many other teams last season lost away to City and Arsenal and also lost at home to Utd. I can't be bothered to look it up as I'm sure someone else will.

I wouldn't mind betting it covers a whole load of teams, many of whom kept their managers.

Perspective Two: A manager is a key appointment at a club, they are new to the premiership. The club has spent a shedload (£30m) on new players and the new boys havent had a chance to play together yet.

That warrants time and a proper assessment. We are nowhere near that assessment yet.

Perspective Three: Management change is disruptive to team spirit. The manager is highly thought of by the players. This is not Chelsea where a bunch of ageing egoistic relics form a clique to get rid of the manager. We are Southampton and are way above that gutter. The team spirit is excellent at this club, as endorsed time and tme again by many players. To disrupt that too soon would be folly.

Perspective four: The cult of management sacking is one of the main reasons that clubs fortunes are like roller coasters. Look at our own history in that respect. When Mcmenemy took over he took us down in his first year. The cup win rescued him. Then he showed his true worth over the next few years. In recent years we have been a mess with management change. And now Adkins has arrived and we have seen success and consistency for two years. He is passionate, knowledgeable and tactically shrewd. He may not be the most charismatic interviewee on TV but he does demonstrate honesty, a sincere belief in the way this team plays, he truly knows what he is trying to do and will be a legend at this club if only the doom merchants are kept firmly in their place.

This team will not be relegated. I fully expect a respectable mid table position by the end of the season. I also think that the majority of fans believe this too.
I agree with all you say Alices with the exception of NA being tactically shrewd. Football can be strange, take the Man C game.... Ricky on the bench...comes on and scores... NA is a genius.....if he doesnt score, NA is chastised for not starting him...a no win situation, but I have aiways had doubts about his tactical ability based on his time here as I see it. He makes some very strange decisions and very rarely do his substitutions make a difference or change games. I could never understand why he liked playing 4-5-1 at HOME when in Lg1. Away was understandable to be more defensive. Playing players out of position too and not starting with the strongest team.
I should point out this is my only worry about him as he is totally professional in every other way. As Ive said before he has earnt my respect and earnt the right to have time to adjust and hopefully he will become what you believe he is now

STID
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Please don't be lazy and boring by calling every single match this season a crunch game! PS NA for the sack if we lose against Villa, ie 5/5 defeats?[/p][/quote]It might be worth looking at the statistics and overall position from a different perspective. Try it ! Persepctive One: Instead of the somewhat superficial 5/5 defeats, why not check out how many other teams last season lost away to City and Arsenal and also lost at home to Utd. I can't be bothered to look it up as I'm sure someone else will. I wouldn't mind betting it covers a whole load of teams, many of whom kept their managers. Perspective Two: A manager is a key appointment at a club, they are new to the premiership. The club has spent a shedload (£30m) on new players and the new boys havent had a chance to play together yet. That warrants time and a proper assessment. We are nowhere near that assessment yet. Perspective Three: Management change is disruptive to team spirit. The manager is highly thought of by the players. This is not Chelsea where a bunch of ageing egoistic relics form a clique to get rid of the manager. We are Southampton and are way above that gutter. The team spirit is excellent at this club, as endorsed time and tme again by many players. To disrupt that too soon would be folly. Perspective four: The cult of management sacking is one of the main reasons that clubs fortunes are like roller coasters. Look at our own history in that respect. When Mcmenemy took over he took us down in his first year. The cup win rescued him. Then he showed his true worth over the next few years. In recent years we have been a mess with management change. And now Adkins has arrived and we have seen success and consistency for two years. He is passionate, knowledgeable and tactically shrewd. He may not be the most charismatic interviewee on TV but he does demonstrate honesty, a sincere belief in the way this team plays, he truly knows what he is trying to do and will be a legend at this club if only the doom merchants are kept firmly in their place. This team will not be relegated. I fully expect a respectable mid table position by the end of the season. I also think that the majority of fans believe this too.[/p][/quote]I agree with all you say Alices with the exception of NA being tactically shrewd. Football can be strange, take the Man C game.... Ricky on the bench...comes on and scores... NA is a genius.....if he doesnt score, NA is chastised for not starting him...a no win situation, but I have aiways had doubts about his tactical ability based on his time here as I see it. He makes some very strange decisions and very rarely do his substitutions make a difference or change games. I could never understand why he liked playing 4-5-1 at HOME when in Lg1. Away was understandable to be more defensive. Playing players out of position too and not starting with the strongest team. I should point out this is my only worry about him as he is totally professional in every other way. As Ive said before he has earnt my respect and earnt the right to have time to adjust and hopefully he will become what you believe he is now STID st1halo
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