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Everton v Saints
1:20pm Saturday 29th September 2012 in Sport
By Gordon Simpson, Senior Sports Reporter
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Latest
- Saints lose 3-1 at Everton
- Gaston Ramirez headed Saints into an early lead
- Leon Osman and Nikica Jelavic (2) turned the match round
4:51pm
FULL-TIME: Everton 3 Saints 1
4:50pm
CHANCE: Howard palms away Lambert's goalbound header in the 84th minute, as Saints attempt to launch a late fightback.
4:32pm
CHANCE: Ramirez goes so close to reducing the deficit, dinking the ball over Howard, only for it to drift the wrong side of the far post in the 69th minute.
4:27pm
CHANCE: Gazzaniga does well to tip Mirallas' shot from the edge of the area wide, after the midfielder was given time and space to control and shoot in the 67th minute.
4:18pm
CHANCE: Fellaini hits a deflected shot from 25 yards that fizzes inches wide of the post in the 57th minute.
3:47pm
Half-time: Everton 3 Saints 1
3:40pm
GOAL: Everton 3 Saints 1 (Jelavic 38): Saints have been coming under significant pressure from the home side. Seconds after Gazzaniga had made a stunning save from a Jelavic header, he is beaten at the back post by the striker, who nods in Seamus Coleman's cross for his second of the match.
3:35pm
GOAL: Everton 2 Saints 1 (Jelavic 32): Everton carve Saints apart with a lovely move to take the lead. Mirallas and Fellaini exchange passes in midfield, with the former then playing in Jelavic. He finishes with a left foot shot across goal into the bottom corner.
3:28pm
GOAL: Everton 1 Saints 1 (Osman 25): Nikica Jelavic can't convert Kevin Mirallas' cross from the right, but the ball falls kindly for Leon Osman, who strokes it into the top corner from close range.
3:14pm
CHANCE: Saints should be 2-0 up. James Ward-Prowse knocks a ball down the right flank in the 11th minute, which Jay Rodriguez latches on to. The striker nods the ball forward and bears down on goal, only to pull his shot tamely wide with just Howard to beat.
3:09pm
GOAL: Everton 0 Saints 1 (Ramirez 6): Adam Lallana's corner eludes Tim Howard and the rest of the Everton defence, leaving an unmarked Gaston Ramirez to head in from about a yard out. That's the £12m Uruguayan's first goal for the club.
2:57pm
The teams are out on the pitch at Goodison Park. Kick-off is just moments away. We will have updates of the key incidents for you throughout the match.
2:19pm
Three changes for Saints today from the team that beat Aston Villa 4-1 last weekend. Danny Fox, Morgan Schneiderlin and Jason Puncheon all drop out of the side. In come Frazer Richardson, James Ward-Prowse and Jay Rodriguez. Nathaniel Clyne is expected to start at left-back, while Paulo Gazzaniga will continue in goal.
Just one change for Everton. Victor Anichebe drops out of the team to be replaced by Nikica Jelavic.
2:13pm
SAINTS: Gazzaniga, Richardson, Fonte, Yoshida, Clyne, Davis, Lallana, Ward-Prowse, Rodriguez, Ramirez, Lambert.
Subs: Davis, Hooiveld, Reeves, Chaplow, Do Prado, Puncheon, Mayuka.
EVERTON: Howard, Neville, Jagielka, Heitinga, Baines, Mirallas, Osman, Coleman, Pienaar, Fellaini, Jelavic.
Subs: Mucha, Oviedo, Distin, Gueye, Vellios, Anichebe, Duffy.
Referee: Lee Probert (Wiltshire)
1:35pm
(Rickie Lambert) was in my attention when he was at Bristol Rovers. Round that time we were looking around the leagues to see and we took Jermaine Beckford when Rickie was just about to go to Southampton. We were well aware of him and his goalscoring and he had done great. It is great credit to the boys who come through the leagues - it shows a great deal of hunger and perseverance to get through to the top and he's done that. There are a few - Grant Holt comes to mind - who have shown that route can be done. You can get released and it does not mean it is the end. What you have to do is go away and work at your game and what Rickie has done over the years is keep scoring goals wherever he has been. He deserves credit from working his way up from the bottom to the top.
David Moyes
1:33pm
Goodison Park has a great atmosphere. They are passionate football supporters there so I am looking forward to it because there will be a great atmosphere. It is a tough game and one we are looking forward to. Goodison Park is a real challenging place to go. I am from Merseyside, I've been there on numerous occasions and you know that the supporters there are very passionate. They demand the players do well and Everton are probably having the best start they've had for many, many years. I think David Moyes has done a great job there if you look at it. You talk about stability, he has been there for over 10 years now. There is a stable, good working relationship between the chairman and the manager. There is stability and continuity with the players. They know how they want to play and I must say that they are very, very effective with how they play. I think they are going to be right up there come the end of the season. They play good football and very effective football. Over a period of time they've been able to learn, to evolve and keep improving and that has been demonstrated by the start they've had this season.
Nigel Adkins
1:30pm
EARLY TEAM NEWS: Striker Nikica Jelavic is expected to be restored to Everton's starting line-up, after recovering from a leg injury. Fellow forward Victor Anichebe has a chest infection, while Seamus Coleman and Steven Naismith are also doubts. Tony Hibbert and Darron Gibson are still out.
1:26pm
EARLY TEAM NEWS: Saints will be without Jack Cork, who is expected to miss the next four-to-six weeks after sustaining a knee injury in Tuesday's win over Sheffield Wednesday. The midfielder is set to be joined on the sidelines by Tadanari Lee, who has an elbow problem. Luke Shaw (illness) and Emmanuel Mayuka (ankle) are both doubts.
1:23pm
Good afternoon and welcome to the Daily Echo's blog covering this afternoon's Premier League contest between Everton and Saints at Goodison Park. Nigel Adkins' side are looking for a second consecutive victory in the competition, having got their first points of the season in last Saturday's 4-1 win against Aston Villa, at St Mary's. Saints were also handed a further confidence boost with a 2-0 success against Sheffield Wednesday in the Capital One Cup on Tuesday. We will have the teams for you later, as well as updates throughout the match.
Comments(226)
dadofmy3sons
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1:34pm Sat 29 Sep 12
http://www.footballs
treaming.info/stream
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will need to download links, but all free and non invasive.
saintand266
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2:02pm Sat 29 Sep 12
OSPREYSAINT
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2:20pm Sat 29 Sep 12
dadofmy3sons
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2:24pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Brilliant !
Ramirez supplying ammo, with Adam doing his trickery.
Looking good..
D4n1el
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2:26pm Sat 29 Sep 12
saintand266
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2:27pm Sat 29 Sep 12
OSPREYSAINT wrote:I think NA might have put jwp in to try and get in amongst the everton midfield and not give them any time. In NA we trust
No Spider, no engine, this could be tricky.
Strasbourg Saint
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2:36pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Will Jay actually be up front or wide in a five-man midfield, with Rickie as the lone striker?
Or, are we playing 4-1-2-1-2? Sounds more like a helpline number to me!
mack chinnon
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2:46pm Sat 29 Sep 12
chapellady
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2:48pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Strasbourg Saint
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2:51pm Sat 29 Sep 12
mack chinnon wrote:Does he take a good corner, Mack?
Nice to see Ben Reeves on the bench.
Tirau Dan
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2:58pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Strasbourg Saint wrote:The lad bangs em in from outside the box just for fun at training.. hee hee says Nigel.
mack chinnon wrote:Does he take a good corner, Mack?
Nice to see Ben Reeves on the bench.
mack chinnon
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3:00pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Ive resigned myself to the fact that we will never ever everest ever neverest ever(TM) score from a corner again.
mack chinnon wrote:Does he take a good corner, Mack?
Nice to see Ben Reeves on the bench.
Strasbourg Saint
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3:03pm Sat 29 Sep 12
mack chinnon wrote:Good shout! Bet we prove you wrong today :)
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Ive resigned myself to the fact that we will never ever everest ever neverest ever(TM) score from a corner again.
mack chinnon wrote:Does he take a good corner, Mack?
Nice to see Ben Reeves on the bench.
Tirau Dan
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3:07pm Sat 29 Sep 12
COYR
Strasbourg Saint
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3:10pm Sat 29 Sep 12
mack chinnon
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3:10pm Sat 29 Sep 12
mack chinnon wrote:Corner??????
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Ive resigned myself to the fact that we will never ever everest ever neverest ever(TM) score from a corner again.
mack chinnon wrote:Does he take a good corner, Mack?
Nice to see Ben Reeves on the bench.
Come on Scunny
Strasbourg Saint
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3:12pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Strasbourg Saint wrote:So ............ next pint at the Station's on you then, Mack.
mack chinnon wrote:Good shout! Bet we prove you wrong today :)
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Ive resigned myself to the fact that we will never ever everest ever neverest ever(TM) score from a corner again.
mack chinnon wrote:Does he take a good corner, Mack?
Nice to see Ben Reeves on the bench.
St Mark
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3:14pm Sat 29 Sep 12
mack chinnon
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3:21pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Strasbourg Saint wrote:It will be a pleasure.
Strasbourg Saint wrote:So ............ next pint at the Station's on you then, Mack.
mack chinnon wrote:Good shout! Bet we prove you wrong today :)
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Ive resigned myself to the fact that we will never ever everest ever neverest ever(TM) score from a corner again.
mack chinnon wrote:Does he take a good corner, Mack?
Nice to see Ben Reeves on the bench.
saintysaintsaint
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3:22pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Velleity
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3:24pm Sat 29 Sep 12
saintysaintsaint wrote:Genuinely, no - the Gillingham boys were devastated to lose him having realised he might be something special.
anyone else surprised at how good gazzaniga is?
dadofmy3sons
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3:25pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Strasbourg Saint
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3:28pm Sat 29 Sep 12
dadofmy3sons wrote:Bugg€r! Me neither. I much preferred his sister, Marie......
NEVER LIKED THAT OSMAN
....... Paper Woses, Paper Woses, but how weal those woses seeeeeemed to me :(
dadofmy3sons
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3:33pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Strasbourg Saint
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3:35pm Sat 29 Sep 12
dadofmy3sons
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3:38pm Sat 29 Sep 12
starting to look like a bit of a hammering.
No one said it would be easy!
Velleity
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3:38pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Tirau Dan
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3:40pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Kick in the Arsessss at ht and we'll 'ave em in the second ;p
Rising_Son
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3:41pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Strasbourg Saint
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3:42pm Sat 29 Sep 12
mack chinnon
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3:42pm Sat 29 Sep 12
arthur dalyrimple
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3:43pm Sat 29 Sep 12
upwherewebelong
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3:44pm Sat 29 Sep 12
dadofmy3sons
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3:45pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Need to gine Leighton Baines something to do .
Hope Nigel's half time talk is something special again
Rising_Son
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3:48pm Sat 29 Sep 12
upwherewebelong wrote:He did sign two. The transfer window's shut now, so there's not much more he can do about it
when is NA going to realise he needs to sign some defenders 29000 Saints fans can't all be wrong surely ?
swesaint
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3:50pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Michael/P
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3:50pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Max_Power
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3:53pm Sat 29 Sep 12
swesaint wrote:Go to Wiziwig.tv
Any working links? Food poisoning keeping me away from the game today.
insane saint
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3:53pm Sat 29 Sep 12
ow.eu/
working link on here
what i have been watching is not bad but we need to break quicker they are and they are ripping us apart when they do.
it can be rescued but move the ball quicker.
COYR
Max_Power
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3:53pm Sat 29 Sep 12
swesaint wrote:Go to Wiziwig.tv
Any working links? Food poisoning keeping me away from the game today.
mastershot100
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3:54pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Tirau Dan
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3:54pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Rising_Son wrote:Skates of the Mersey
I've never liked Everton.
The stripes
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3:55pm Sat 29 Sep 12
arthur dalyrimple wrote:C'mon Nige, we need one of those special half time talks...
for crying out loud ,drop davis ,he is pants ,not up to the job,drive a coach and horses trough the middle.
upwherewebelong
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3:55pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Rising_Son wrote:Actually I disagree there is still the opportunity for players without clubs to be signed. There must be some decent defenders around if we look hard enough
upwherewebelong wrote:He did sign two. The transfer window's shut now, so there's not much more he can do about it
when is NA going to realise he needs to sign some defenders 29000 Saints fans can't all be wrong surely ?
mack chinnon
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3:57pm Sat 29 Sep 12
The stripes
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3:58pm Sat 29 Sep 12
up saints
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4:01pm Sat 29 Sep 12
JohnItaly
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4:03pm Sat 29 Sep 12
The stripes
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4:06pm Sat 29 Sep 12
up saints wrote:Agreed.
get punch an maykua on early to stand any chance
Little Hitler
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4:14pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Tough start to the season, Everton away is not easy!
Rising_Son
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4:15pm Sat 29 Sep 12
upwherewebelong wrote:Unfortunately, "players without clubs" will probably not become "decent defenders" however hard we look.
Rising_Son wrote:Actually I disagree there is still the opportunity for players without clubs to be signed. There must be some decent defenders around if we look hard enough
upwherewebelong wrote:He did sign two. The transfer window's shut now, so there's not much more he can do about it
when is NA going to realise he needs to sign some defenders 29000 Saints fans can't all be wrong surely ?
dadofmy3sons
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4:17pm Sat 29 Sep 12
dadofmy3sons
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4:19pm Sat 29 Sep 12
dadofmy3sons
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4:27pm Sat 29 Sep 12
If we get one now we might even get something out of this game!
The stripes
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4:35pm Sat 29 Sep 12
dadofmy3sons
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4:41pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Clyne off and Ben Reeves on, I know he is left footed and might be able to naturally move up his own wing, but Clyne was having a good game!
Velleity
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4:43pm Sat 29 Sep 12
The stripes
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4:47pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Velleity wrote:Look at the posts from the last two games.
To all the posters on here desperate to have a go: Where do you all go when things are going well? I never see you complimenting Saints when we are doing well...
Kings Lynn Saint
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4:52pm Sat 29 Sep 12
arthur dalyrimple wrote:Did you not look at the team news prior to making your ridiculous post?
for crying out loud ,drop davis ,he is pants ,not up to the job,drive a coach and horses trough the middle.
dadofmy3sons
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4:52pm Sat 29 Sep 12
we are in the premier league and we knew it was going to be difficult
mack chinnon
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4:54pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Barcelona Saint
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4:54pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Rising_Son
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4:57pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Strasbourg Saint
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4:58pm Sat 29 Sep 12
As for the match, not an easy game, but would have loved a result after the great start.
From the little I saw and read, it sounds like Gazza and Gaston did okay and we might have got back into it second half.
So, they're 3 positives.
As for the one negative - clearly, we have to stop scoring from friggin' corners! :)
thomasupton
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5:02pm Sat 29 Sep 12
The stripes
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5:05pm Sat 29 Sep 12
thomasupton wrote:Yes that's a good point. He's been a key player since the start of the season.
Why didn't puncheon start???????
Tirau Dan
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5:06pm Sat 29 Sep 12
For the rest of the game we held our own and found some positivity. Not a game to fret about but one to build on.
Pienaar and coleman were excellent for them but as with Scholes for Man U Neville at aged 35yrs was the lynch pin that really undid us in that spell.
The threads will now self destruct and football fans will get a drubbing from the negative people that can't wait to get on here when things go wrong.. Catch up for the next game :) ciao
angus mc coatup
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5:08pm Sat 29 Sep 12
thomasupton wrote:cos the manager didn't pick him !
Why didn't puncheon start???????
Strasbourg Saint
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5:09pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Tirau Dan wrote:Sleep well Dan!
First 15 minutes we owned it. Then for a twenty five minute poor spell where we lost our accuracy and they took us apart.
For the rest of the game we held our own and found some positivity. Not a game to fret about but one to build on.
Pienaar and coleman were excellent for them but as with Scholes for Man U Neville at aged 35yrs was the lynch pin that really undid us in that spell.
The threads will now self destruct and football fans will get a drubbing from the negative people that can't wait to get on here when things go wrong.. Catch up for the next game :) ciao
bluehants
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5:10pm Sat 29 Sep 12
we were never relegated through our football, we were prem class on the field
muppetts off field relegated us.
s you soon in the fizzy pop league
wont beahants team in prem for a long while
The stripes
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5:10pm Sat 29 Sep 12
angus mc coatup wrote:No sh1t sherlock.
thomasupton wrote:cos the manager didn't pick him !
Why didn't puncheon start???????
up saints
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5:10pm Sat 29 Sep 12
thomasupton wrote:game was over at half time why not be brave and get punch and maykua then.nothing to loose
Why didn't puncheon start???????
pompey in spain
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5:11pm Sat 29 Sep 12
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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thomasupton
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5:14pm Sat 29 Sep 12
up saints wrote:Can't understand why he wasn't picked, been playing really well, another poor decision.
thomasupton wrote:game was over at half time why not be brave and get punch and maykua then.nothing to loose
Why didn't puncheon start???????
mack chinnon
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5:15pm Sat 29 Sep 12
angus mc coatup wrote:Angus,I dont often lol. But I did then.
thomasupton wrote:cos the manager didn't pick him !
Why didn't puncheon start???????
The stripes
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5:15pm Sat 29 Sep 12
pompey in spain wrote:League 1 and can only manage a draw
yipee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strasbourg Saint
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5:18pm Sat 29 Sep 12
The stripes wrote:He was being ironic! The point is, there are folk on here who NEVER come on when things go well. They're either skates, WUMs or just plain bl00dy miserable g!ts.
angus mc coatup wrote:No sh1t sherlock.
thomasupton wrote:cos the manager didn't pick him !
Why didn't puncheon start???????
We can all say Nigel should have played this player or employed that tactic and, sometimes, we could even be right. Alas, if any of us had been the manager these past 2 years, this season, we'd be looking forward to facing the one-month-loan-Footb
all-League-11 F.C. at their shed.
thomasupton
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5:22pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Strasbourg Saint wrote:And there are arm chair fans too.
The stripes wrote:He was being ironic! The point is, there are folk on here who NEVER come on when things go well. They're either skates, WUMs or just plain bl00dy miserable g!ts.
angus mc coatup wrote:No sh1t sherlock.
thomasupton wrote:cos the manager didn't pick him !
Why didn't puncheon start???????
We can all say Nigel should have played this player or employed that tactic and, sometimes, we could even be right. Alas, if any of us had been the manager these past 2 years, this season, we'd be looking forward to facing the one-month-loan-Footb
all-League-11 F.C. at their shed.
mack chinnon
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5:26pm Sat 29 Sep 12
pompey in spain wrote:Come on Yeovil.
yipee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Velleity
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5:28pm Sat 29 Sep 12
bluehants wrote:Hmm, lose to Everton away in probably the strongest league in the world or draw at home to Scunthorpe leaving us on -4 points... hmmmm.
watched it, you are so predictable, edge of box coss to far post hope lambert there. 1 trick ponies, out of your league.
we were never relegated through our football, we were prem class on the field
muppetts off field relegated us.
s you soon in the fizzy pop league
wont beahants team in prem for a long while
The stripes
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5:30pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Yes I understand irony but why post a comment like that after a comment that was valid? I too would like to know why puncheon didn't start and also why he didn't come on as a sub. He has been a star 4 us and even scored last week even though it was a deflection. A fair enough question or two I think.
The stripes wrote:He was being ironic! The point is, there are folk on here who NEVER come on when things go well. They're either skates, WUMs or just plain bl00dy miserable g!ts.
angus mc coatup wrote:No sh1t sherlock.
thomasupton wrote:cos the manager didn't pick him !
Why didn't puncheon start???????
We can all say Nigel should have played this player or employed that tactic and, sometimes, we could even be right. Alas, if any of us had been the manager these past 2 years, this season, we'd be looking forward to facing the one-month-loan-Footb
all-League-11 F.C. at their shed.
We're only putting the feelers out to anyone who might know why he didn't start. Ironic answers don't really get us anywhere.
Just for the record I try only to come on here when things are going well as I think it's too easy to moan.
st bevois
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5:30pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Rising_Son
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5:37pm Sat 29 Sep 12
st bevois wrote:I wonder why Schneiderlin wasn't picked. And that's intended as a genuine question, not a criticism of NA.
Not surprise at the result today. When we have the ball we look like one of the best teams in the Prem.......when we haven't got the ball we look like one of the worst. Only one experienced recognised midfilder to start on the park aganist Everton was asking for trouble despite the good start.
Rising_Son
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5:37pm Sat 29 Sep 12
st bevois wrote:I wonder why Schneiderlin wasn't picked. And that's intended as a genuine question, not a criticism of NA.
Not surprise at the result today. When we have the ball we look like one of the best teams in the Prem.......when we haven't got the ball we look like one of the worst. Only one experienced recognised midfilder to start on the park aganist Everton was asking for trouble despite the good start.
JohnItaly
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5:38pm Sat 29 Sep 12
The stripes
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5:38pm Sat 29 Sep 12
bluehants wrote:tune into the teletubbies, it will be right up your street.
watched it, you are so predictable, edge of box coss to far post hope lambert there. 1 trick ponies, out of your league.
we were never relegated through our football, we were prem class on the field
muppetts off field relegated us.
s you soon in the fizzy pop league
wont beahants team in prem for a long while
Strasbourg Saint
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5:41pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Rising_Son wrote:Nigel has just said on Solent that he picked up a knock at the end of the Villa match. They kept it quiet and hoped to get him fit.
st bevois wrote:I wonder why Schneiderlin wasn't picked. And that's intended as a genuine question, not a criticism of NA.
Not surprise at the result today. When we have the ball we look like one of the best teams in the Prem.......when we haven't got the ball we look like one of the worst. Only one experienced recognised midfilder to start on the park aganist Everton was asking for trouble despite the good start.
Fatty x Ford Worker
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5:44pm Sat 29 Sep 12
MGRA
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5:44pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Rising_Son
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5:46pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Strasbourg Saint wrote:I thought there must have been a good reason. I hope the injury isn't going to take too long to get over.
Rising_Son wrote:Nigel has just said on Solent that he picked up a knock at the end of the Villa match. They kept it quiet and hoped to get him fit.
st bevois wrote:I wonder why Schneiderlin wasn't picked. And that's intended as a genuine question, not a criticism of NA.
Not surprise at the result today. When we have the ball we look like one of the best teams in the Prem.......when we haven't got the ball we look like one of the worst. Only one experienced recognised midfilder to start on the park aganist Everton was asking for trouble despite the good start.
mike saint
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5:49pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Rising_Son
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5:49pm Sat 29 Sep 12
MGRA wrote:A wonderful thing hindsight. It makes geniuses out of everyone, even fools.
NA making some strange team choices today.... Punch needed surely to start that one !?
Strasbourg Saint
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5:51pm Sat 29 Sep 12
The stripes wrote:So, you agree that Punch should have started. Okay, valid point from Thomas. I was surprised he didn't start.
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Yes I understand irony but why post a comment like that after a comment that was valid? I too would like to know why puncheon didn't start and also why he didn't come on as a sub. He has been a star 4 us and even scored last week even though it was a deflection. A fair enough question or two I think.
The stripes wrote:He was being ironic! The point is, there are folk on here who NEVER come on when things go well. They're either skates, WUMs or just plain bl00dy miserable g!ts.
angus mc coatup wrote:No sh1t sherlock.
thomasupton wrote:cos the manager didn't pick him !
Why didn't puncheon start???????
We can all say Nigel should have played this player or employed that tactic and, sometimes, we could even be right. Alas, if any of us had been the manager these past 2 years, this season, we'd be looking forward to facing the one-month-loan-Footb
all-League-11 F.C. at their shed.
We're only putting the feelers out to anyone who might know why he didn't start. Ironic answers don't really get us anywhere.
Just for the record I try only to come on here when things are going well as I think it's too easy to moan.
But, who would you have left out?
Adam? Gaston? Jay? Rickie? JWP? Davis?
If, as I guess, it would have been Jay, and we'd have played one up front, a 5-man midfield - including Gaston playing behind Rickie, then would you have responded to those on here who would surely have asked why we didn't play 2 up front?
Some on here reckon we should start matches 4-4-2 (someone just asked that on Solent, in fact). Doubt that idea would get much support from any Prem manager.
Strasbourg Saint
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5:54pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Rising_Son wrote:Think it's just a knock.
Strasbourg Saint wrote:I thought there must have been a good reason. I hope the injury isn't going to take too long to get over.
Rising_Son wrote:Nigel has just said on Solent that he picked up a knock at the end of the Villa match. They kept it quiet and hoped to get him fit.
st bevois wrote:I wonder why Schneiderlin wasn't picked. And that's intended as a genuine question, not a criticism of NA.
Not surprise at the result today. When we have the ball we look like one of the best teams in the Prem.......when we haven't got the ball we look like one of the worst. Only one experienced recognised midfilder to start on the park aganist Everton was asking for trouble despite the good start.
Guess you're back in Japan now. Hope you had a good flight home.
Rising_Son
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5:59pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Strasbourg Saint
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6:00pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Rising_Son wrote:Poor you ......
Stras, Not a bad flight, flew back on Air France this time. Looking forward to a typhoon tomorrow.
....... not the typhoon, Air France!
Rising_Son
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6:00pm Sat 29 Sep 12
SaintMark
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6:02pm Sat 29 Sep 12
bluehants wrote:Muppets running the club got you relegated, by signing players you could'nt afford! Don't try and blame anyone els!.
watched it, you are so predictable, edge of box coss to far post hope lambert there. 1 trick ponies, out of your league.
we were never relegated through our football, we were prem class on the field
muppetts off field relegated us.
s you soon in the fizzy pop league
wont beahants team in prem for a long while
Bore off!
Velleity
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6:05pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:Less of the "we". You are not, and have never been, a Saints fan
Going to be a hard Winter for us we aint got no Defence cannot handle pace!
mack chinnon
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6:07pm Sat 29 Sep 12
st bevois wrote:Get back to the Gaurdian. Only kidding.
Not surprise at the result today. When we have the ball we look like one of the best teams in the Prem.......when we haven't got the ball we look like one of the worst. Only one experienced recognised midfilder to start on the park aganist Everton was asking for trouble despite the good start.
Strasbourg Saint
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6:08pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Rising_Son wrote:Alas (or fortunately), no. Couldn't get tickets. In the end it was just as well, as a more pressing family matter turned up and I'd not have been able to go.
BTW. Did you make it to the Arsenal match.
Not sure when I'll get to a match now; if nothing sooner, then with luck, Newcastle away in Feb.
The stripes
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6:08pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Strasbourg Saint wrote:agreed jay would be the one. As for commenting on formations, i would not have responded about formations as I have no experience in this field I will leave that to the professionals. Just asking a simple question as to why punch was left out. I find it very odd.
The stripes wrote:So, you agree that Punch should have started. Okay, valid point from Thomas. I was surprised he didn't start.
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Yes I understand irony but why post a comment like that after a comment that was valid? I too would like to know why puncheon didn't start and also why he didn't come on as a sub. He has been a star 4 us and even scored last week even though it was a deflection. A fair enough question or two I think.
The stripes wrote:He was being ironic! The point is, there are folk on here who NEVER come on when things go well. They're either skates, WUMs or just plain bl00dy miserable g!ts.
angus mc coatup wrote:No sh1t sherlock.
thomasupton wrote:cos the manager didn't pick him !
Why didn't puncheon start???????
We can all say Nigel should have played this player or employed that tactic and, sometimes, we could even be right. Alas, if any of us had been the manager these past 2 years, this season, we'd be looking forward to facing the one-month-loan-Footb
all-League-11 F.C. at their shed.
We're only putting the feelers out to anyone who might know why he didn't start. Ironic answers don't really get us anywhere.
Just for the record I try only to come on here when things are going well as I think it's too easy to moan.
But, who would you have left out?
Adam? Gaston? Jay? Rickie? JWP? Davis?
If, as I guess, it would have been Jay, and we'd have played one up front, a 5-man midfield - including Gaston playing behind Rickie, then would you have responded to those on here who would surely have asked why we didn't play 2 up front?
Some on here reckon we should start matches 4-4-2 (someone just asked that on Solent, in fact). Doubt that idea would get much support from any Prem manager.
Velleity
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6:08pm Sat 29 Sep 12
st bevois wrote:Which one did you recognise, Lallana, Ramirez or Davis?
Not surprise at the result today. When we have the ball we look like one of the best teams in the Prem.......when we haven't got the ball we look like one of the worst. Only one experienced recognised midfilder to start on the park aganist Everton was asking for trouble despite the good start.
Velleity
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6:13pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Rising_Son wrote:Rising Son, can you let us in on this one, please? Is Maya Yoshida properly Maya-San or Yoshida-San?
BTW. Did you make it to the Arsenal match.
Taunton Saint
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6:20pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Positives:
Looked good going forward
Ramirez - class and linked well with Lallana, Lamber & Ward Prowse
Ward-Prowse - had a good game
Fans - total support, superb sound and atmosphere
Negatives:
We lost shape for 20 crucial minutes, Clyne was left exposed for two of the Goals (no direct critiscism of him) but 2 on 1 left us wide open and they were ruthless.
Rodriguz - sorry very very poor, had a chance to put us 2 up and bottled it. Wasn't in the game seriously concerned about him.
We are going to have some tough away days, but keep the faith wehave played at Man City, Arsenal & Everton our first 3 away games
Rising_Son
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6:22pm Sat 29 Sep 12
MGRA
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6:23pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Rising_Son wrote:It was not hindsight. Team sheets are produced BEFORE the game.
MGRA wrote:A wonderful thing hindsight. It makes geniuses out of everyone, even fools.
NA making some strange team choices today.... Punch needed surely to start that one !?
Fatty x Ford Worker
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6:25pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Velleity wrote:I would lookey in the bog pan mush"
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:Less of the "we". You are not, and have never been, a Saints fan
Going to be a hard Winter for us we aint got no Defence cannot handle pace!
Rising_Son
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6:27pm Sat 29 Sep 12
OSPREYSAINT
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6:40pm Sat 29 Sep 12
OSPREYSAINT
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6:42pm Sat 29 Sep 12
OSPREYSAINT
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6:44pm Sat 29 Sep 12
thomasupton wrote:Tactics.
Why didn't puncheon start???????
OSPREYSAINT
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6:45pm Sat 29 Sep 12
bluehants wrote:Were prem class, maybe, but not any more my son, not any more.
watched it, you are so predictable, edge of box coss to far post hope lambert there. 1 trick ponies, out of your league.
we were never relegated through our football, we were prem class on the field
muppetts off field relegated us.
s you soon in the fizzy pop league
wont beahants team in prem for a long while
Strasbourg Saint
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6:49pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Taunton Saint wrote:Thanks. Pity about the bet!
just got back to hotel after game (didn't get to collect my bet!!) for what it is worth a few thoughts, I am sure I will be slated on a few but that is football!!
Positives:
Looked good going forward
Ramirez - class and linked well with Lallana, Lamber & Ward Prowse
Ward-Prowse - had a good game
Fans - total support, superb sound and atmosphere
Negatives:
We lost shape for 20 crucial minutes, Clyne was left exposed for two of the Goals (no direct critiscism of him) but 2 on 1 left us wide open and they were ruthless.
Rodriguz - sorry very very poor, had a chance to put us 2 up and bottled it. Wasn't in the game seriously concerned about him.
We are going to have some tough away days, but keep the faith wehave played at Man City, Arsenal & Everton our first 3 away games
Velleity
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6:54pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:Sorry, Bucko, been following your anti-Saints posts all over the summer and you are clearly not a Saints fan, so leave it out. At least have the honesty to call us "you".
Velleity wrote:I would lookey in the bog pan mush"
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:Less of the "we". You are not, and have never been, a Saints fan
Going to be a hard Winter for us we aint got no Defence cannot handle pace!
Velleity
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6:55pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Rising_Son wrote:Thanks - always wondered.
Both are right. You add san to family or given names. Yoshida is his family name, and Maya his given name.
PTID1898
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7:07pm Sat 29 Sep 12
mack chinnon
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7:14pm Sat 29 Sep 12
PTID1898 wrote:Come on Yeovil.
Ha ha ha ha ha back to normality then losers, I gues Ramirez ain't all that, only one goal thought he was supposed to rip up the league just proves what a joke you lot are and buying rubbish players as well he will go at the end of the season when you are down PUP, PTID oh and we won 2-1 so stick that up ya jacksy you muppets
Taunton Saint
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7:14pm Sat 29 Sep 12
PTID1898 wrote:please remove 1898 from your name that club doesn't exist anymore it folded, that as you lot are so proud of saying is a FACT
Ha ha ha ha ha back to normality then losers, I gues Ramirez ain't all that, only one goal thought he was supposed to rip up the league just proves what a joke you lot are and buying rubbish players as well he will go at the end of the season when you are down PUP, PTID oh and we won 2-1 so stick that up ya jacksy you muppets
oooohhhhh 2-1 against Scunthorpe, in front of a huge 11,000 best fans in the world, huge gate, massive, amazing ....
takes you to minus 2 points only 23 points off top place which I believe the deluded blue few thought they would be this season .... needed a laugh thanks
warrens 76
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7:16pm Sat 29 Sep 12
more to the point how do we solve these.....unlike many teams who have failed in the prem we DO create chances....they have to be finished though...and we knew we would get punished for losing the ball cheaply and poor defending, I mean we KNEW it...we will not go down simply because there are probably 5 other teams with substantiallyy less quality than us...but it is going to be interesting...
warrens 76
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7:18pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Taunton Saint wrote:PTID..prove it die!
PTID1898 wrote:please remove 1898 from your name that club doesn't exist anymore it folded, that as you lot are so proud of saying is a FACT
Ha ha ha ha ha back to normality then losers, I gues Ramirez ain't all that, only one goal thought he was supposed to rip up the league just proves what a joke you lot are and buying rubbish players as well he will go at the end of the season when you are down PUP, PTID oh and we won 2-1 so stick that up ya jacksy you muppets
oooohhhhh 2-1 against Scunthorpe, in front of a huge 11,000 best fans in the world, huge gate, massive, amazing ....
takes you to minus 2 points only 23 points off top place which I believe the deluded blue few thought they would be this season .... needed a laugh thanks
Strasbourg Saint
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7:35pm Sat 29 Sep 12
I guess Manure used up all their luck at SMS!
F Fan
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7:47pm Sat 29 Sep 12
I was also a bit surprised that he left out Hooiveld given Fellani’s strength in the air but in fact the centre backs seemed to do OK so no quibble there.
Shipping far too many goals, especially away from home, and not all of the problem is weakness in the back four, certainly not today. We are in no way good enough to play 442 away from home and for the first half today it was even more adventurous, with Ramirez apparently playing in the hole.
Quite a few positives too, good with ball, making chances, scoring rate is good and JWP and Ramirez look like being good additions. Its very early days and promoted sides usually do take time to get into their stride, so no need for any panic.
Redrobbo
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7:49pm Sat 29 Sep 12
hedge end bob
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7:55pm Sat 29 Sep 12
PTID1898 wrote:DIVISION 3, SAYS IT ALL.
Ha ha ha ha ha back to normality then losers, I gues Ramirez ain't all that, only one goal thought he was supposed to rip up the league just proves what a joke you lot are and buying rubbish players as well he will go at the end of the season when you are down PUP, PTID oh and we won 2-1 so stick that up ya jacksy you muppets
arthur dalyrimple
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7:56pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Redrobbo wrote:think berbatov etc will cause more than a few problems.
We are not good enough to have three luxury players, Adam, Rickie and Gaston in the team when we play away from home in the Premiership. We need to take the veiw in away games that we have a point at kick off, and thats the minimum we need at 5 o'clock. Rickie is not mobile enough to run across the back four for 90 minutes.This is where we need to start our defending away from home where teams will come at us far more than at SMS. At home Ricky has been brilliant against United and Villa, away from home apart from when he came on at City he has been pretty much anonymous. We need more energy away from home to help the back four,especially the fullbacks. Chaplow and Puncheon both bring a certain energy to the team and would be ideal down the flanks to double up with the fullbacks. I think Clyne was taken off today to see if Ben Reeves is up to the job at left back so Clyne can switch back to the right. Luke Shaw is without doubt the future, but could be destroyed playing in the current team as he would be left exposed time after time. The players and management need to make the step up very quickly.That said apart from Wigan at home the results to date have gone pretty much how most of us thought they would.Winning home games against the likes of Fulham will be the key to our season
frattonparked
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8:03pm Sat 29 Sep 12
saintand266 wrote:Oh well - you cant get it all. Maybe your season can start again next week or the week after or maybe the week after that. Dont give Nige that much longer personally ...
Come on you saints , please don't let me down today as Im in London working and there are a few skunts here mouthing off as usual , come on scunthorpe . 3-2 to saints .2-1to scunthorpe
The stripes
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8:04pm Sat 29 Sep 12
PTID1898 wrote:teletubbies.
Ha ha ha ha ha back to normality then losers, I gues Ramirez ain't all that, only one goal thought he was supposed to rip up the league just proves what a joke you lot are and buying rubbish players as well he will go at the end of the season when you are down PUP, PTID oh and we won 2-1 so stick that up ya jacksy you muppets
frattonparked
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8:05pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Velleity wrote:1/2 an hour after the end of the game and you still thought Pompey drew?? I knew that Soton was a bit in the back and beyond but surely you've got real time news now?
bluehants wrote:Hmm, lose to Everton away in probably the strongest league in the world or draw at home to Scunthorpe leaving us on -4 points... hmmmm.
watched it, you are so predictable, edge of box coss to far post hope lambert there. 1 trick ponies, out of your league.
we were never relegated through our football, we were prem class on the field
muppetts off field relegated us.
s you soon in the fizzy pop league
wont beahants team in prem for a long while
The stripes
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8:07pm Sat 29 Sep 12
frattonparked wrote:Thanks for coming on this site and giving us your expert advice. We really appreciate it.
saintand266 wrote:Oh well - you cant get it all. Maybe your season can start again next week or the week after or maybe the week after that. Dont give Nige that much longer personally ...
Come on you saints , please don't let me down today as Im in London working and there are a few skunts here mouthing off as usual , come on scunthorpe . 3-2 to saints .2-1to scunthorpe
frattonparked
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8:10pm Sat 29 Sep 12
The stripes wrote:I'm glad to hear it - any time.....
frattonparked wrote:Thanks for coming on this site and giving us your expert advice. We really appreciate it.
saintand266 wrote:Oh well - you cant get it all. Maybe your season can start again next week or the week after or maybe the week after that. Dont give Nige that much longer personally ...
Come on you saints , please don't let me down today as Im in London working and there are a few skunts here mouthing off as usual , come on scunthorpe . 3-2 to saints .2-1to scunthorpe
angus mc coatup
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8:14pm Sat 29 Sep 12
mack chinnon wrote:makes me laugh, the manager obviously had a plan and on this occasion it didn't work.had puncheon started and we still lost then people would find some other negative to pick at.some of these post are so pretentious
angus mc coatup wrote:Angus,I dont often lol. But I did then.
thomasupton wrote:cos the manager didn't pick him !
Why didn't puncheon start???????
you have to wonder why they arn't professional coaches or managers. you can go on about tactics and line ups etc but nigel picks the team and tactics and this might come as a surprise to some people but adkins dosen't actually read this stuff,and if he did he would probably laugh his wotsits off.
frattonparked
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8:21pm Sat 29 Sep 12
angus mc coatup wrote:I have to say that this is one of the most sensible and intelligent comments that I have read on this or the News message boards - it's not very often that a physio or something can become a great football manager (and it pains me to say it but I think you have a class manager - who sadly I think wont survive under your MD) - but the idea that us fans know more than managers who see people train, watch DVDs of the opposition etc. is frankly ridiculous.....
mack chinnon wrote:makes me laugh, the manager obviously had a plan and on this occasion it didn't work.had puncheon started and we still lost then people would find some other negative to pick at.some of these post are so pretentious
angus mc coatup wrote:Angus,I dont often lol. But I did then.
thomasupton wrote:cos the manager didn't pick him !
Why didn't puncheon start???????
you have to wonder why they arn't professional coaches or managers. you can go on about tactics and line ups etc but nigel picks the team and tactics and this might come as a surprise to some people but adkins dosen't actually read this stuff,and if he did he would probably laugh his wotsits off.
frattonparked
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8:23pm Sat 29 Sep 12
frattonparked wrote:There we go Stripes I'm even giving you more of my expert advice for no charge ......
angus mc coatup wrote:I have to say that this is one of the most sensible and intelligent comments that I have read on this or the News message boards - it's not very often that a physio or something can become a great football manager (and it pains me to say it but I think you have a class manager - who sadly I think wont survive under your MD) - but the idea that us fans know more than managers who see people train, watch DVDs of the opposition etc. is frankly ridiculous.....
mack chinnon wrote:makes me laugh, the manager obviously had a plan and on this occasion it didn't work.had puncheon started and we still lost then people would find some other negative to pick at.some of these post are so pretentious
angus mc coatup wrote:Angus,I dont often lol. But I did then.
thomasupton wrote:cos the manager didn't pick him !
Why didn't puncheon start???????
you have to wonder why they arn't professional coaches or managers. you can go on about tactics and line ups etc but nigel picks the team and tactics and this might come as a surprise to some people but adkins dosen't actually read this stuff,and if he did he would probably laugh his wotsits off.
angus mc coatup
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8:26pm Sat 29 Sep 12
frattonparked wrote:looks like tebourba has a new monica.
frattonparked wrote:There we go Stripes I'm even giving you more of my expert advice for no charge ......
angus mc coatup wrote:I have to say that this is one of the most sensible and intelligent comments that I have read on this or the News message boards - it's not very often that a physio or something can become a great football manager (and it pains me to say it but I think you have a class manager - who sadly I think wont survive under your MD) - but the idea that us fans know more than managers who see people train, watch DVDs of the opposition etc. is frankly ridiculous.....
mack chinnon wrote:makes me laugh, the manager obviously had a plan and on this occasion it didn't work.had puncheon started and we still lost then people would find some other negative to pick at.some of these post are so pretentious
angus mc coatup wrote:Angus,I dont often lol. But I did then.
thomasupton wrote:cos the manager didn't pick him !
Why didn't puncheon start???????
you have to wonder why they arn't professional coaches or managers. you can go on about tactics and line ups etc but nigel picks the team and tactics and this might come as a surprise to some people but adkins dosen't actually read this stuff,and if he did he would probably laugh his wotsits off.
frattonparked
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8:28pm Sat 29 Sep 12
angus mc coatup wrote:I've never even met Monica and whatever happens dont tell my wife
frattonparked wrote:looks like tebourba has a new monica.
frattonparked wrote:There we go Stripes I'm even giving you more of my expert advice for no charge ......
angus mc coatup wrote:I have to say that this is one of the most sensible and intelligent comments that I have read on this or the News message boards - it's not very often that a physio or something can become a great football manager (and it pains me to say it but I think you have a class manager - who sadly I think wont survive under your MD) - but the idea that us fans know more than managers who see people train, watch DVDs of the opposition etc. is frankly ridiculous.....
mack chinnon wrote:makes me laugh, the manager obviously had a plan and on this occasion it didn't work.had puncheon started and we still lost then people would find some other negative to pick at.some of these post are so pretentious
angus mc coatup wrote:Angus,I dont often lol. But I did then.
thomasupton wrote:cos the manager didn't pick him !
Why didn't puncheon start???????
you have to wonder why they arn't professional coaches or managers. you can go on about tactics and line ups etc but nigel picks the team and tactics and this might come as a surprise to some people but adkins dosen't actually read this stuff,and if he did he would probably laugh his wotsits off.
angus mc coatup
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8:33pm Sat 29 Sep 12
PTID1898
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8:41pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Redrobbo wrote:I would hardly call those three players luxury, they are all mediocre championship players and always will be and that's where all of you will be stuck next year in the championship PUP, PTID
We are not good enough to have three luxury players, Adam, Rickie and Gaston in the team when we play away from home in the Premiership. We need to take the veiw in away games that we have a point at kick off, and thats the minimum we need at 5 o'clock. Rickie is not mobile enough to run across the back four for 90 minutes.This is where we need to start our defending away from home where teams will come at us far more than at SMS. At home Ricky has been brilliant against United and Villa, away from home apart from when he came on at City he has been pretty much anonymous. We need more energy away from home to help the back four,especially the fullbacks. Chaplow and Puncheon both bring a certain energy to the team and would be ideal down the flanks to double up with the fullbacks. I think Clyne was taken off today to see if Ben Reeves is up to the job at left back so Clyne can switch back to the right. Luke Shaw is without doubt the future, but could be destroyed playing in the current team as he would be left exposed time after time. The players and management need to make the step up very quickly.That said apart from Wigan at home the results to date have gone pretty much how most of us thought they would.Winning home games against the likes of Fulham will be the key to our season
thomasupton
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8:49pm Sat 29 Sep 12
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Great tactical decision not to play one of our best players.
thomasupton wrote:Tactics.
Why didn't puncheon start???????
angus mc coatup
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8:50pm Sat 29 Sep 12
PTID1898 wrote:in the championship two leagues above you lot with loadsamoney + the parachute money hahahah
Redrobbo wrote:I would hardly call those three players luxury, they are all mediocre championship players and always will be and that's where all of you will be stuck next year in the championship PUP, PTID
We are not good enough to have three luxury players, Adam, Rickie and Gaston in the team when we play away from home in the Premiership. We need to take the veiw in away games that we have a point at kick off, and thats the minimum we need at 5 o'clock. Rickie is not mobile enough to run across the back four for 90 minutes.This is where we need to start our defending away from home where teams will come at us far more than at SMS. At home Ricky has been brilliant against United and Villa, away from home apart from when he came on at City he has been pretty much anonymous. We need more energy away from home to help the back four,especially the fullbacks. Chaplow and Puncheon both bring a certain energy to the team and would be ideal down the flanks to double up with the fullbacks. I think Clyne was taken off today to see if Ben Reeves is up to the job at left back so Clyne can switch back to the right. Luke Shaw is without doubt the future, but could be destroyed playing in the current team as he would be left exposed time after time. The players and management need to make the step up very quickly.That said apart from Wigan at home the results to date have gone pretty much how most of us thought they would.Winning home games against the likes of Fulham will be the key to our season
wtfiln!!!
frattonparked
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8:56pm Sat 29 Sep 12
angus mc coatup wrote:I think I do. Who is tebourba?
you don't deny being tebourba in disguise then.
angus mc coatup
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8:59pm Sat 29 Sep 12
frattonparked wrote:he's a stoopid skunt
angus mc coatup wrote:I think I do. Who is tebourba?
you don't deny being tebourba in disguise then.
saints_alive
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9:05pm Sat 29 Sep 12
pompey in spain wrote:Avoiding your tax bill down there, pompey in spain? Or shying away from your Notts County drubbing.
yipee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
frattonparked
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9:19pm Sat 29 Sep 12
angus mc coatup wrote:Well you'll probably think that description fits me too (harshly in my opinion).
frattonparked wrote:he's a stoopid skunt
angus mc coatup wrote:I think I do. Who is tebourba?
you don't deny being tebourba in disguise then.
If you check you'll see I've been posting for a while as Frattonparked (and only with that name). You'll also see that whilst I enjoy Saints losing (didint happen much last year - seems to be happening quit a bit this year) I also was genuinley pleased to see a south coast team in the premiership and ideally would like both teams there (can't see that happening for a while....). I have good friends that are Saints supporters and enjoy friendly rivalry - the riots after our last few games are stains on both of our clubs. I also rate your manager but dont think he'll survive under NC (I dont think he thinks he will either).
Does that make me like tebourba?
frattonparked
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9:22pm Sat 29 Sep 12
frattonparked wrote:You'll also see I cant type properly - meant to be "didn't"; "quite" and "genuinely")
angus mc coatup wrote:Well you'll probably think that description fits me too (harshly in my opinion).
frattonparked wrote:he's a stoopid skunt
angus mc coatup wrote:I think I do. Who is tebourba?
you don't deny being tebourba in disguise then.
If you check you'll see I've been posting for a while as Frattonparked (and only with that name). You'll also see that whilst I enjoy Saints losing (didint happen much last year - seems to be happening quit a bit this year) I also was genuinley pleased to see a south coast team in the premiership and ideally would like both teams there (can't see that happening for a while....). I have good friends that are Saints supporters and enjoy friendly rivalry - the riots after our last few games are stains on both of our clubs. I also rate your manager but dont think he'll survive under NC (I dont think he thinks he will either).
Does that make me like tebourba?
Also meant to say I really did like your post ......
saintand266
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9:27pm Sat 29 Sep 12
SaintMax
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9:29pm Sat 29 Sep 12
WobblyCat
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9:34pm Sat 29 Sep 12
PTID1898 wrote:Keep up nipper, normality happened four months ago when you became third tier and went into administration.... again! And Saints became top flight. You do know the queen mums dead dont you?
Ha ha ha ha ha back to normality then losers, I gues Ramirez ain't all that, only one goal thought he was supposed to rip up the league just proves what a joke you lot are and buying rubbish players as well he will go at the end of the season when you are down PUP, PTID oh and we won 2-1 so stick that up ya jacksy you muppets
frattonparked
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9:34pm Sat 29 Sep 12
frattonparked
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9:37pm Sat 29 Sep 12
WobblyCat wrote:I knew she had two birthdays but I didn't realise she had more than 1 mum !
PTID1898 wrote:Keep up nipper, normality happened four months ago when you became third tier and went into administration.... again! And Saints became top flight. You do know the queen mums dead dont you?
Ha ha ha ha ha back to normality then losers, I gues Ramirez ain't all that, only one goal thought he was supposed to rip up the league just proves what a joke you lot are and buying rubbish players as well he will go at the end of the season when you are down PUP, PTID oh and we won 2-1 so stick that up ya jacksy you muppets
angus mc coatup
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9:38pm Sat 29 Sep 12
frattonparked wrote:ok you aint tebourba and obviously not stoopid.
frattonparked wrote:You'll also see I cant type properly - meant to be "didn't"; "quite" and "genuinely")
angus mc coatup wrote:Well you'll probably think that description fits me too (harshly in my opinion).
frattonparked wrote:he's a stoopid skunt
angus mc coatup wrote:I think I do. Who is tebourba?
you don't deny being tebourba in disguise then.
If you check you'll see I've been posting for a while as Frattonparked (and only with that name). You'll also see that whilst I enjoy Saints losing (didint happen much last year - seems to be happening quit a bit this year) I also was genuinley pleased to see a south coast team in the premiership and ideally would like both teams there (can't see that happening for a while....). I have good friends that are Saints supporters and enjoy friendly rivalry - the riots after our last few games are stains on both of our clubs. I also rate your manager but dont think he'll survive under NC (I dont think he thinks he will either).
Does that make me like tebourba?
Also meant to say I really did like your post ......
and I agree with you about the stupidity of some of the fans on both sides that take things to far.the rivalry should be just banter and pi$$ taking, not violence. and i'm sure that the vast majority of fans on both sides see it that way.It's just a few that have to take it to far but thats society today i'm afraid.
still with a bit of luck your lot will survive we have to have someone to laugh at now, do we not.
saintand266
says...
9:41pm Sat 29 Sep 12
saintmac
says...
9:42pm Sat 29 Sep 12
season is going horribly wrong. To
concede at the rate of 3 goals per game
- even against top teams - is relegation
form. It is no good keep saying we
played good football at times, we will learn from our mistakes when it is
clear we have not learnt and do not
appear to have the ability to correct
our defensive errors.
I have said before we did not, for
whatever reason, strengthen our
defense enough in the transfer
window.Others on this site agree.
In the Prem it is defenses which win
games and this is where we should
have improved first.Yes, we play
attractive football but this does not
win games as we are painfuly learning.
I shall be cheering the team on next
week as they need all the support
they can get and nobody can fault
them for effort but I have a feeling
we will suffer a 1-2 defeat to
Fulham who are a good side and
certainly no pushovers.
I also ask the question - where was
Punch today?
Some will say I am being negative but
I think this is a realistic asessment of
the situation - we just do not have the
defensive capabilities at the moment
to stay up.
angus mc coatup
says...
9:44pm Sat 29 Sep 12
saintand266 wrote:not from me, I just love taking the pi$$ out of that lot. I just don't condone violence of any kind.
Are we starting to have a skunt love in ?
frattonparked
says...
9:46pm Sat 29 Sep 12
angus mc coatup wrote:ditto
saintand266 wrote:not from me, I just love taking the pi$$ out of that lot. I just don't condone violence of any kind.
Are we starting to have a skunt love in ?
angus mc coatup
says...
9:51pm Sat 29 Sep 12
angus mc coatup wrote:bloody hell !!
frattonparked wrote:ok you aint tebourba and obviously not stoopid.
frattonparked wrote:You'll also see I cant type properly - meant to be "didn't"; "quite" and "genuinely")
angus mc coatup wrote:Well you'll probably think that description fits me too (harshly in my opinion).
frattonparked wrote:he's a stoopid skunt
angus mc coatup wrote:I think I do. Who is tebourba?
you don't deny being tebourba in disguise then.
If you check you'll see I've been posting for a while as Frattonparked (and only with that name). You'll also see that whilst I enjoy Saints losing (didint happen much last year - seems to be happening quit a bit this year) I also was genuinley pleased to see a south coast team in the premiership and ideally would like both teams there (can't see that happening for a while....). I have good friends that are Saints supporters and enjoy friendly rivalry - the riots after our last few games are stains on both of our clubs. I also rate your manager but dont think he'll survive under NC (I dont think he thinks he will either).
Does that make me like tebourba?
Also meant to say I really did like your post ......
and I agree with you about the stupidity of some of the fans on both sides that take things to far.the rivalry should be just banter and pi$$ taking, not violence. and i'm sure that the vast majority of fans on both sides see it that way.It's just a few that have to take it to far but thats society today i'm afraid.
still with a bit of luck your lot will survive we have to have someone to laugh at now, do we not.
better crack open another beer.
I just agreed with a skunt.mind you I probably had too many already.
saintand266
says...
9:52pm Sat 29 Sep 12
saintand266
says...
9:53pm Sat 29 Sep 12
magnette
says...
9:55pm Sat 29 Sep 12
mike saint wrote:Same here :(
Our defence is a joke. Everton wernt good we were crap. I got fed up with watching it today.
frattonparked
says...
10:08pm Sat 29 Sep 12
saintand266 wrote:thank-you and I hope you finish 17th in the league .....
I must admit Frattonparked comments and observations about us make a refreshing change from the usual Tosh spouted off by the likes of ptid and the wise old elf that is Tebourba
ghk230473
says...
10:17pm Sat 29 Sep 12
saintmac wrote:Fair assessment, thing is you can't play attractive attacking football without negleting the defence. Unfortunately our defence hasn't been improved on enough (for whatever reason), I feel we will have to compromise on our attack play to help cover the defence.
Sorry to say this but I think our
season is going horribly wrong. To
concede at the rate of 3 goals per game
- even against top teams - is relegation
form. It is no good keep saying we
played good football at times, we will learn from our mistakes when it is
clear we have not learnt and do not
appear to have the ability to correct
our defensive errors.
I have said before we did not, for
whatever reason, strengthen our
defense enough in the transfer
window.Others on this site agree.
In the Prem it is defenses which win
games and this is where we should
have improved first.Yes, we play
attractive football but this does not
win games as we are painfuly learning.
I shall be cheering the team on next
week as they need all the support
they can get and nobody can fault
them for effort but I have a feeling
we will suffer a 1-2 defeat to
Fulham who are a good side and
certainly no pushovers.
I also ask the question - where was
Punch today?
Some will say I am being negative but
I think this is a realistic asessment of
the situation - we just do not have the
defensive capabilities at the moment
to stay up.
Punch and spiderman are curious omissions from the villa victory team.
F Fan
says...
10:26pm Sat 29 Sep 12
ghk230473 wrote:Spiderman was injured.
saintmac wrote:Fair assessment, thing is you can't play attractive attacking football without negleting the defence. Unfortunately our defence hasn't been improved on enough (for whatever reason), I feel we will have to compromise on our attack play to help cover the defence.
Sorry to say this but I think our
season is going horribly wrong. To
concede at the rate of 3 goals per game
- even against top teams - is relegation
form. It is no good keep saying we
played good football at times, we will learn from our mistakes when it is
clear we have not learnt and do not
appear to have the ability to correct
our defensive errors.
I have said before we did not, for
whatever reason, strengthen our
defense enough in the transfer
window.Others on this site agree.
In the Prem it is defenses which win
games and this is where we should
have improved first.Yes, we play
attractive football but this does not
win games as we are painfuly learning.
I shall be cheering the team on next
week as they need all the support
they can get and nobody can fault
them for effort but I have a feeling
we will suffer a 1-2 defeat to
Fulham who are a good side and
certainly no pushovers.
I also ask the question - where was
Punch today?
Some will say I am being negative but
I think this is a realistic asessment of
the situation - we just do not have the
defensive capabilities at the moment
to stay up.
Punch and spiderman are curious omissions from the villa victory team.
Strasbourg Saint
says...
10:45pm Sat 29 Sep 12
saintmac wrote:I don't think you're all that far wrong or all that negative, but I don't think the season is going as horribly wrong as you make out. If we'd had the same luck against Manure as Spurs had today, we'd have beaten them and, on another day we could have beaten or drawn with City. It didn't quite happen. In other matches, it will.
Sorry to say this but I think our
season is going horribly wrong. To
concede at the rate of 3 goals per game
- even against top teams - is relegation
form. It is no good keep saying we
played good football at times, we will learn from our mistakes when it is
clear we have not learnt and do not
appear to have the ability to correct
our defensive errors.
I have said before we did not, for
whatever reason, strengthen our
defense enough in the transfer
window.Others on this site agree.
In the Prem it is defenses which win
games and this is where we should
have improved first.Yes, we play
attractive football but this does not
win games as we are painfuly learning.
I shall be cheering the team on next
week as they need all the support
they can get and nobody can fault
them for effort but I have a feeling
we will suffer a 1-2 defeat to
Fulham who are a good side and
certainly no pushovers.
I also ask the question - where was
Punch today?
Some will say I am being negative but
I think this is a realistic asessment of
the situation - we just do not have the
defensive capabilities at the moment
to stay up.
As for improving the defence, as we don't know how many players NC/NA tried to sign but couldn't get (getting the right players isn't the piece of cake some would have us believe - Buttner, for example), I don't think we can really pass intelligent comment.
No doubt, one more quality CB must be on NA's Christmas list.
There are no easy games in this league, so you're right about Fulham. However, with an almost fully fit squad (Spiderman out today, Lee coming back, Cork, we hope, by December), we'll do okay. I'll gladly disagree with you and predict 2-1 Saints.
Night all!
angus mc coatup
says...
10:50pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Strasbourg Saint wrote:aahhh the voice of reason.
saintmac wrote:I don't think you're all that far wrong or all that negative, but I don't think the season is going as horribly wrong as you make out. If we'd had the same luck against Manure as Spurs had today, we'd have beaten them and, on another day we could have beaten or drawn with City. It didn't quite happen. In other matches, it will.
Sorry to say this but I think our
season is going horribly wrong. To
concede at the rate of 3 goals per game
- even against top teams - is relegation
form. It is no good keep saying we
played good football at times, we will learn from our mistakes when it is
clear we have not learnt and do not
appear to have the ability to correct
our defensive errors.
I have said before we did not, for
whatever reason, strengthen our
defense enough in the transfer
window.Others on this site agree.
In the Prem it is defenses which win
games and this is where we should
have improved first.Yes, we play
attractive football but this does not
win games as we are painfuly learning.
I shall be cheering the team on next
week as they need all the support
they can get and nobody can fault
them for effort but I have a feeling
we will suffer a 1-2 defeat to
Fulham who are a good side and
certainly no pushovers.
I also ask the question - where was
Punch today?
Some will say I am being negative but
I think this is a realistic asessment of
the situation - we just do not have the
defensive capabilities at the moment
to stay up.
As for improving the defence, as we don't know how many players NC/NA tried to sign but couldn't get (getting the right players isn't the piece of cake some would have us believe - Buttner, for example), I don't think we can really pass intelligent comment.
No doubt, one more quality CB must be on NA's Christmas list.
There are no easy games in this league, so you're right about Fulham. However, with an almost fully fit squad (Spiderman out today, Lee coming back, Cork, we hope, by December), we'll do okay. I'll gladly disagree with you and predict 2-1 Saints.
Night all!
nice one !!!
St Retford
says...
12:58am Sun 30 Sep 12
The problem, in case none of you realised, is that Morgan was injured. The difference between the sides was a fifteen minute spell in the first half in which they cut through our midfield at will. Morgan would have stopped that. But hey ho, we move on...
saintkenny
says...
1:55am Sun 30 Sep 12
bluehants wrote:when you went up you did not win any game away till the nexr season ,you were worst than we are ,and you were paying your players much more money to.and in the championship you could only finish 16th paying players 35.000 a week ,so is the muppets here ,muppets over pay players you cant affford ,and run the club badly ,so you can keep all your muppets there thanks,and its not the end of it yet .least if we do go back down we will retain most of the championship team ,have the parachute payments and not be in debt ,without having the pressure of needing to cheat status.the fact is with the new rules in place you have to have assets to cheat status now like chelsea man city qpr who are going to expand the stadium like saints in reading ,so in reality you will never get to the top leagueagain and be able to cheat again ,as you dont have any infrastructure any foundation to build on ,your f@cked and you know you are .were laughing and enjoying it .despit all the hapless skunts on here
watched it, you are so predictable, edge of box coss to far post hope lambert there. 1 trick ponies, out of your league.
we were never relegated through our football, we were prem class on the field
muppetts off field relegated us.
s you soon in the fizzy pop league
wont beahants team in prem for a long while
RedArmy1
says...
4:26am Sun 30 Sep 12
We knew when we entered the Premiership that these Teams were part of the League and we have further strengthening to do as well as working as a Team.
WE MUST BEAT FULHAM - WE DEMAND THE WIN !!!
RED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMY
.
UP THE PREMIER LEAGUE WE MUST GO !!
ghk230473
says...
5:40am Sun 30 Sep 12
I think the reason we didn't sign defenders is because Adkins isn't defensive minded, which is reflected by how the team plays. 1st goal, the actual defenders could have done better but other 2 were everton running from deep unchallenged with saint players giving their markers far too much room, almost inviting the attack. If you gave my granny that much room she would create chances too!
Roller coaster season with plenty of peaks n troughs lays ahead, just hope we manage to score more than the opposition!
ghk230473
says...
5:46am Sun 30 Sep 12
ghk230473 wrote:On a positive note cracking header by gazza and the league table doesn't lie, I'd happily finish there
Just watched highlights on motd, everton were the hot knife, saints the butter. Fair enough we had some passages of fine play but even the match stats with shots, possession, corners etc don't bode well.
I think the reason we didn't sign defenders is because Adkins isn't defensive minded, which is reflected by how the team plays. 1st goal, the actual defenders could have done better but other 2 were everton running from deep unchallenged with saint players giving their markers far too much room, almost inviting the attack. If you gave my granny that much room she would create chances too!
Roller coaster season with plenty of peaks n troughs lays ahead, just hope we manage to score more than the opposition!
JohnItaly
says...
8:04am Sun 30 Sep 12
OSPREYSAINT
says...
8:10am Sun 30 Sep 12
thomasupton wrote:OK it was a tactic that didn't work out, I am puzzled too, but it was probably an attempt to change things after losing Spider, only NA will know, but when we scored first, it looked like it might have been working, if JRod had buried the 2nd the whole game may have been different, it was that "funny" 15 minutes before half time that did the damage and that was mainly down to the lack of a dedicated left back leaving big gaps down the right, a change of tactics at half time addressed that, but it was too late by then.
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Great tactical decision not to play one of our best players.
thomasupton wrote:Tactics.
Why didn't puncheon start???????
mastershot100
says...
8:21am Sun 30 Sep 12
Clemster
says...
8:32am Sun 30 Sep 12
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Totally disagree Osprey. Was not down to us not having recognised left back. And there was nothing "funny" about that 15 mintues.
thomasupton wrote:OK it was a tactic that didn't work out, I am puzzled too, but it was probably an attempt to change things after losing Spider, only NA will know, but when we scored first, it looked like it might have been working, if JRod had buried the 2nd the whole game may have been different, it was that "funny" 15 minutes before half time that did the damage and that was mainly down to the lack of a dedicated left back leaving big gaps down the right, a change of tactics at half time addressed that, but it was too late by then.
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Great tactical decision not to play one of our best players.
thomasupton wrote:Tactics.
Why didn't puncheon start???????
Once again you make comments about the game as if you know the problems and you have not seen the game. Do not make judgements as facts when you are totally uninformed
pompey in spain
says...
8:53am Sun 30 Sep 12
Clemster
says...
8:54am Sun 30 Sep 12
JohnItaly wrote:The defence has got to be sorted. Right. Someone better let Adkins know - he probably doesn't realise that this is the problema and we are shipping too many goals.
Just read the match report in the Daily Telegraph. Looks like Saints were a complete shambles. The defence has to be sorted. Shipping an average of 3 goals a game simply isn't acceptable even at this level. That is a 114 in the season. The average number of goals conceded by relegated teams over the past seasons is 74. In those seasons the team finishing 17th has each let in 66 goals. I know they are only statistics but based on this Saints must, in the remaining 32 games, let in no more than 3 goals per 2 games. That is half the current rate. Does no make good reading. Always thought the pundits pre season were wrong in making Saints favourite for a quick return to the Championship and that NA would be 1st Premiership manager sacked. Unfortunately they might well be right.
Whilst it is obvious we are shipping too many goals and hopefully this will be addressed on the training ground, you can make statistics say anything as we know.
We have been scoring goals at almost 2 a game (against the best sides in the division) so just based on that over the last few seasons we'd also end up as the 4th or 5th highest scorers. Thats European form. That does make good reading.
SouthamptonLegend
says...
9:11am Sun 30 Sep 12
Clemster wrote:You have to build from the back and unfortunately Adkins hasn't done that which will lead to his demise in this league. A championship defence was never going to work in this league. And changing our system was never going to help our cause. Is Nigel good enough? Personally I don't think so. There's no room for sentiment in football.
JohnItaly wrote:The defence has got to be sorted. Right. Someone better let Adkins know - he probably doesn't realise that this is the problema and we are shipping too many goals.
Just read the match report in the Daily Telegraph. Looks like Saints were a complete shambles. The defence has to be sorted. Shipping an average of 3 goals a game simply isn't acceptable even at this level. That is a 114 in the season. The average number of goals conceded by relegated teams over the past seasons is 74. In those seasons the team finishing 17th has each let in 66 goals. I know they are only statistics but based on this Saints must, in the remaining 32 games, let in no more than 3 goals per 2 games. That is half the current rate. Does no make good reading. Always thought the pundits pre season were wrong in making Saints favourite for a quick return to the Championship and that NA would be 1st Premiership manager sacked. Unfortunately they might well be right.
Whilst it is obvious we are shipping too many goals and hopefully this will be addressed on the training ground, you can make statistics say anything as we know.
We have been scoring goals at almost 2 a game (against the best sides in the division) so just based on that over the last few seasons we'd also end up as the 4th or 5th highest scorers. Thats European form. That does make good reading.
Clemster
says...
9:19am Sun 30 Sep 12
SouthamptonLegend wrote:Fair enough. I respect your opinion. I do think Adkins is good enough. And I think it is far too early to make judgements on whether we'll survive or not. At this point I feel we will though. Back in the days of the Dell our defence was never very good and our away form was awful - but we still survive on many ocassions
Clemster wrote:You have to build from the back and unfortunately Adkins hasn't done that which will lead to his demise in this league. A championship defence was never going to work in this league. And changing our system was never going to help our cause. Is Nigel good enough? Personally I don't think so. There's no room for sentiment in football.
JohnItaly wrote:The defence has got to be sorted. Right. Someone better let Adkins know - he probably doesn't realise that this is the problema and we are shipping too many goals.
Just read the match report in the Daily Telegraph. Looks like Saints were a complete shambles. The defence has to be sorted. Shipping an average of 3 goals a game simply isn't acceptable even at this level. That is a 114 in the season. The average number of goals conceded by relegated teams over the past seasons is 74. In those seasons the team finishing 17th has each let in 66 goals. I know they are only statistics but based on this Saints must, in the remaining 32 games, let in no more than 3 goals per 2 games. That is half the current rate. Does no make good reading. Always thought the pundits pre season were wrong in making Saints favourite for a quick return to the Championship and that NA would be 1st Premiership manager sacked. Unfortunately they might well be right.
Whilst it is obvious we are shipping too many goals and hopefully this will be addressed on the training ground, you can make statistics say anything as we know.
We have been scoring goals at almost 2 a game (against the best sides in the division) so just based on that over the last few seasons we'd also end up as the 4th or 5th highest scorers. Thats European form. That does make good reading.
Rising_Son
says...
9:25am Sun 30 Sep 12
ghk230473 wrote:ghk230473 wrote: "I think the reason we didn't sign defenders is because ..."
Just watched highlights on motd, everton were the hot knife, saints the butter. Fair enough we had some passages of fine play but even the match stats with shots, possession, corners etc don't bode well.
I think the reason we didn't sign defenders is because Adkins isn't defensive minded, which is reflected by how the team plays. 1st goal, the actual defenders could have done better but other 2 were everton running from deep unchallenged with saint players giving their markers far too much room, almost inviting the attack. If you gave my granny that much room she would create chances too!
Roller coaster season with plenty of peaks n troughs lays ahead, just hope we manage to score more than the opposition!
But we signed Clyne and Yoshida, and attempted to sign Buttner.
JohnItaly
says...
9:28am Sun 30 Sep 12
Clemster wrote:I am sure your comment about someone telling NA about our defence has problems was tongue in cheek. I sincerely hope so!
JohnItaly wrote:The defence has got to be sorted. Right. Someone better let Adkins know - he probably doesn't realise that this is the problema and we are shipping too many goals.
Just read the match report in the Daily Telegraph. Looks like Saints were a complete shambles. The defence has to be sorted. Shipping an average of 3 goals a game simply isn't acceptable even at this level. That is a 114 in the season. The average number of goals conceded by relegated teams over the past seasons is 74. In those seasons the team finishing 17th has each let in 66 goals. I know they are only statistics but based on this Saints must, in the remaining 32 games, let in no more than 3 goals per 2 games. That is half the current rate. Does no make good reading. Always thought the pundits pre season were wrong in making Saints favourite for a quick return to the Championship and that NA would be 1st Premiership manager sacked. Unfortunately they might well be right.
Whilst it is obvious we are shipping too many goals and hopefully this will be addressed on the training ground, you can make statistics say anything as we know.
We have been scoring goals at almost 2 a game (against the best sides in the division) so just based on that over the last few seasons we'd also end up as the 4th or 5th highest scorers. Thats European form. That does make good reading.
After every game (Aston Villa excepted) it has been said lessons will be learnt. They may well be addressing the defensive problems on the training ground but unfortunately it only counts on match days.
2 goals scored per game (against top sides) does I agree make excellent reading but what is the point if the opposition score 3.
Our next two games - Fulham & West Ham - will I believe define our season and hopefully will yield at least 4 points. That I think will be the least NC will accept before taking dramatic take action.
Clemster
says...
9:36am Sun 30 Sep 12
JohnItaly wrote:They are important games I agree. But will not, I don't think, define our season. So many more game to be played.
Clemster wrote:I am sure your comment about someone telling NA about our defence has problems was tongue in cheek. I sincerely hope so!
JohnItaly wrote:The defence has got to be sorted. Right. Someone better let Adkins know - he probably doesn't realise that this is the problema and we are shipping too many goals.
Just read the match report in the Daily Telegraph. Looks like Saints were a complete shambles. The defence has to be sorted. Shipping an average of 3 goals a game simply isn't acceptable even at this level. That is a 114 in the season. The average number of goals conceded by relegated teams over the past seasons is 74. In those seasons the team finishing 17th has each let in 66 goals. I know they are only statistics but based on this Saints must, in the remaining 32 games, let in no more than 3 goals per 2 games. That is half the current rate. Does no make good reading. Always thought the pundits pre season were wrong in making Saints favourite for a quick return to the Championship and that NA would be 1st Premiership manager sacked. Unfortunately they might well be right.
Whilst it is obvious we are shipping too many goals and hopefully this will be addressed on the training ground, you can make statistics say anything as we know.
We have been scoring goals at almost 2 a game (against the best sides in the division) so just based on that over the last few seasons we'd also end up as the 4th or 5th highest scorers. Thats European form. That does make good reading.
After every game (Aston Villa excepted) it has been said lessons will be learnt. They may well be addressing the defensive problems on the training ground but unfortunately it only counts on match days.
2 goals scored per game (against top sides) does I agree make excellent reading but what is the point if the opposition score 3.
Our next two games - Fulham & West Ham - will I believe define our season and hopefully will yield at least 4 points. That I think will be the least NC will accept before taking dramatic take action.
Don't think NC will take drastic action against NA. They seem to have a strong relationship. It would be absolute disaster to get rid of NA.
He is a good manager.Too often when results aren't going well the answer is always "buy someone" or "sack the manager". NC would not be that stupid.
JohnItaly
says...
9:50am Sun 30 Sep 12
Clemster wrote:Please accept that I have no wish for NA to be sacked as I fervantly believe that stabilty at mangerial level is vital and NA has had two excellent seasons and fully deserves his chance at the "big time". However I also believe there is little sentiment in the game today and NC comes from a banking background where the word "sentiment" isn't even in their dictionary.
JohnItaly wrote:They are important games I agree. But will not, I don't think, define our season. So many more game to be played.
Clemster wrote:I am sure your comment about someone telling NA about our defence has problems was tongue in cheek. I sincerely hope so!
JohnItaly wrote:The defence has got to be sorted. Right. Someone better let Adkins know - he probably doesn't realise that this is the problema and we are shipping too many goals.
Just read the match report in the Daily Telegraph. Looks like Saints were a complete shambles. The defence has to be sorted. Shipping an average of 3 goals a game simply isn't acceptable even at this level. That is a 114 in the season. The average number of goals conceded by relegated teams over the past seasons is 74. In those seasons the team finishing 17th has each let in 66 goals. I know they are only statistics but based on this Saints must, in the remaining 32 games, let in no more than 3 goals per 2 games. That is half the current rate. Does no make good reading. Always thought the pundits pre season were wrong in making Saints favourite for a quick return to the Championship and that NA would be 1st Premiership manager sacked. Unfortunately they might well be right.
Whilst it is obvious we are shipping too many goals and hopefully this will be addressed on the training ground, you can make statistics say anything as we know.
We have been scoring goals at almost 2 a game (against the best sides in the division) so just based on that over the last few seasons we'd also end up as the 4th or 5th highest scorers. Thats European form. That does make good reading.
After every game (Aston Villa excepted) it has been said lessons will be learnt. They may well be addressing the defensive problems on the training ground but unfortunately it only counts on match days.
2 goals scored per game (against top sides) does I agree make excellent reading but what is the point if the opposition score 3.
Our next two games - Fulham & West Ham - will I believe define our season and hopefully will yield at least 4 points. That I think will be the least NC will accept before taking dramatic take action.
Don't think NC will take drastic action against NA. They seem to have a strong relationship. It would be absolute disaster to get rid of NA.
He is a good manager.Too often when results aren't going well the answer is always "buy someone" or "sack the manager". NC would not be that stupid.
hedge end bob
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9:59am Sun 30 Sep 12
frattonparked wrote:Come on guys, this FARTTONLARK seems to be a football supporter that comes on here with funny banter and not hatred. He talks sense, hard to believe about a Skunt i know but , i for one enjoy reading Angus and Fartton 's banter. I for one have no objections and that don't mean i want to make it a threesome!!!!.
angus mc coatup wrote:ditto
saintand266 wrote:not from me, I just love taking the pi$$ out of that lot. I just don't condone violence of any kind.
Are we starting to have a skunt love in ?
truelysaints
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10:35am Sun 30 Sep 12
BYE BYE ADKINS!
saintmark1977
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11:13am Sun 30 Sep 12
Mr Adkins needs to be given time.
The alternative could well be a return to an unstable football club and all that goes with it. Remember the Dark Lord Rupert and his efforts?
On another subject. Are there any schools in Portsmouth? I do seriously wonder given the content of some of their supporters comments on this site. Having said that I have great respect for their manager who is without doubt doing a very good job under difficult circumstances in a very dignified manner.
Saint 2701
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11:14am Sun 30 Sep 12
Wasn't expecting anything yesterday just got a bitter sweet taste after going 1 up!
Again think Nigel got it wrong though, left his subs far too late to change the game, it was blatently clear Rodriguez wasnt going to score!
Although i did enjoy laughing in Danny Fox's face as he walked past and stood with the fans, hopefully Nigel has realised he is a useless peice of S**T and we wont see him in a saints shirt again.
Back to win next game or Adkins is gone IMO.
Where is Tadanari Lee???
SaintDon13
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11:24am Sun 30 Sep 12
truelysaints wrote:Why do you say that? Are you going somewhere?
I kept away from comments for most of this month. Now I have just 3 words to say.
BYE BYE ADKINS!
SaintDon13
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11:29am Sun 30 Sep 12
Clemster wrote:OK Sorry talking out of my butt as usual.
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Totally disagree Osprey. Was not down to us not having recognised left back. And there was nothing "funny" about that 15 mintues.
thomasupton wrote:OK it was a tactic that didn't work out, I am puzzled too, but it was probably an attempt to change things after losing Spider, only NA will know, but when we scored first, it looked like it might have been working, if JRod had buried the 2nd the whole game may have been different, it was that "funny" 15 minutes before half time that did the damage and that was mainly down to the lack of a dedicated left back leaving big gaps down the right, a change of tactics at half time addressed that, but it was too late by then.
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Great tactical decision not to play one of our best players.
thomasupton wrote:Tactics.
Why didn't puncheon start???????
Once again you make comments about the game as if you know the problems and you have not seen the game. Do not make judgements as facts when you are totally uninformed
SaintDon13
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11:33am Sun 30 Sep 12
SaintDon13 wrote:In case you are wondering SaintDon13 = OSPREYSAINT, depends on which computer I am on, changed the name when the original was compromised. Was a bit out of sorts yesterday and missed most of the day, I only based my theory on what I heard and read, didn't see the highlights until this morning but they weren't enough to form a proper opinion.
Clemster wrote:OK Sorry talking out of my butt as usual.
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Totally disagree Osprey. Was not down to us not having recognised left back. And there was nothing "funny" about that 15 mintues.
thomasupton wrote:OK it was a tactic that didn't work out, I am puzzled too, but it was probably an attempt to change things after losing Spider, only NA will know, but when we scored first, it looked like it might have been working, if JRod had buried the 2nd the whole game may have been different, it was that "funny" 15 minutes before half time that did the damage and that was mainly down to the lack of a dedicated left back leaving big gaps down the right, a change of tactics at half time addressed that, but it was too late by then.
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Great tactical decision not to play one of our best players.
thomasupton wrote:Tactics.
Why didn't puncheon start???????
Once again you make comments about the game as if you know the problems and you have not seen the game. Do not make judgements as facts when you are totally uninformed
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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11:34am Sun 30 Sep 12
We lose where we want
We are Southampton we lose where we want!
What a city! Ouch :(
SaintDon13
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11:38am Sun 30 Sep 12
Clemster wrote:Hope you are right.
JohnItaly wrote:They are important games I agree. But will not, I don't think, define our season. So many more game to be played.
Clemster wrote:I am sure your comment about someone telling NA about our defence has problems was tongue in cheek. I sincerely hope so!
JohnItaly wrote:The defence has got to be sorted. Right. Someone better let Adkins know - he probably doesn't realise that this is the problema and we are shipping too many goals.
Just read the match report in the Daily Telegraph. Looks like Saints were a complete shambles. The defence has to be sorted. Shipping an average of 3 goals a game simply isn't acceptable even at this level. That is a 114 in the season. The average number of goals conceded by relegated teams over the past seasons is 74. In those seasons the team finishing 17th has each let in 66 goals. I know they are only statistics but based on this Saints must, in the remaining 32 games, let in no more than 3 goals per 2 games. That is half the current rate. Does no make good reading. Always thought the pundits pre season were wrong in making Saints favourite for a quick return to the Championship and that NA would be 1st Premiership manager sacked. Unfortunately they might well be right.
Whilst it is obvious we are shipping too many goals and hopefully this will be addressed on the training ground, you can make statistics say anything as we know.
We have been scoring goals at almost 2 a game (against the best sides in the division) so just based on that over the last few seasons we'd also end up as the 4th or 5th highest scorers. Thats European form. That does make good reading.
After every game (Aston Villa excepted) it has been said lessons will be learnt. They may well be addressing the defensive problems on the training ground but unfortunately it only counts on match days.
2 goals scored per game (against top sides) does I agree make excellent reading but what is the point if the opposition score 3.
Our next two games - Fulham & West Ham - will I believe define our season and hopefully will yield at least 4 points. That I think will be the least NC will accept before taking dramatic take action.
Don't think NC will take drastic action against NA. They seem to have a strong relationship. It would be absolute disaster to get rid of NA.
He is a good manager.Too often when results aren't going well the answer is always "buy someone" or "sack the manager". NC would not be that stupid.
Confucious
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11:43am Sun 30 Sep 12
But after yesterday, the moaners will be out in force again trying to make a contribution by getting a good old sing-song going. All the usual favourites:
"We're doomed"
"Cursed, fated and luckless"
Let's all be condemned"
The Armageddon Waltz"
"Doing the catastrophe and downfall walk"
"Here comes calamity, cataclysm, tragegy, trouble and diasaster and devastation"
"It's the end of the world again this week!"
Plus of course the hugely popular "I told you so"
up saints
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11:52am Sun 30 Sep 12
OSPREYSAINT
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11:54am Sun 30 Sep 12
OSPREYSAINT
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12:05pm Sun 30 Sep 12
saintshorse101
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12:06pm Sun 30 Sep 12
Saint 2701 wrote:"Although i did enjoy laughing in Danny Fox's face as he walked past and stood with the fans, hopefully Nigel has realised he is a useless peice of S**T and we wont see him in a saints shirt again."
Jay Rodriguez not ready for the prem, would have been better off with Billy Sharp yesterday. Bring back Billy and send Jay out on loan. Wasn't expecting anything yesterday just got a bitter sweet taste after going 1 up! Again think Nigel got it wrong though, left his subs far too late to change the game, it was blatently clear Rodriguez wasnt going to score! Although i did enjoy laughing in Danny Fox's face as he walked past and stood with the fans, hopefully Nigel has realised he is a useless peice of S**T and we wont see him in a saints shirt again. Back to win next game or Adkins is gone IMO. Where is Tadanari Lee???
what a piece of work you are! if you dont rate fox thats ok, i think he is ok, a lot of full backs in the prem are not great defenders! some have even had great international careers glen johnson for a start.
you are either a wum, skate or you know nothing about saints!
so we should send out j-rod on loan and get billy back? it is understood by many that billy couldnt settle down south and has no pace, j-rod has limited game time most of which has been on the wing. like most strikers j-rod is a form player, remember beattie?, and once he has a goal or 2 in the prem will be quality, problem he has is rickie is scoring well and takes the main strikers place, so adkins would have to go 4-4-2 for j-rod to play in position and most dont like that formation.
T. lee is injured! hurt his elbow on int break, most saints fans know that of course as it has been widely reported in the press and saints forums.
do you want adkins gone? why?
saintkenny
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12:06pm Sun 30 Sep 12
Saint 2701 wrote:jay is ,but he is not a wide player.you could see he his not happy there .it would help defense wise clyne is not ready yet ,good going forward like fox .the two halfs fone in hoovield lake pace for the top league with its movement ,when we got the ball were like a premiership team ,difference is when we dont have the ball .were like a league one team at the moment ,which needs to be sorted .or we will be like when the skunts came up .not win away till the following season
Jay Rodriguez not ready for the prem, would have been better off with Billy Sharp yesterday. Bring back Billy and send Jay out on loan.
Wasn't expecting anything yesterday just got a bitter sweet taste after going 1 up!
Again think Nigel got it wrong though, left his subs far too late to change the game, it was blatently clear Rodriguez wasnt going to score!
Although i did enjoy laughing in Danny Fox's face as he walked past and stood with the fans, hopefully Nigel has realised he is a useless peice of S**T and we wont see him in a saints shirt again.
Back to win next game or Adkins is gone IMO.
Where is Tadanari Lee???
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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12:14pm Sun 30 Sep 12
Saint 2701 wrote:Good job we didn't see you laugh in his face. He's given his all for Saints but isn't up to it so we wish him well and move on. Good luck Hammond, Barnard, Harding etc. Thank you.
Jay Rodriguez not ready for the prem, would have been better off with Billy Sharp yesterday. Bring back Billy and send Jay out on loan.
Wasn't expecting anything yesterday just got a bitter sweet taste after going 1 up!
Again think Nigel got it wrong though, left his subs far too late to change the game, it was blatently clear Rodriguez wasnt going to score!
Although i did enjoy laughing in Danny Fox's face as he walked past and stood with the fans, hopefully Nigel has realised he is a useless peice of S**T and we wont see him in a saints shirt again.
Back to win next game or Adkins is gone IMO.
Where is Tadanari Lee???
OSPREYSAINT
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12:17pm Sun 30 Sep 12
Confucious wrote:I knew you were going to say that.
Before the passengers sack the pilot (with the brilliant track record) in mid-air just after take-off it might be worth considering if anyone else is available who can fly the plane.
But after yesterday, the moaners will be out in force again trying to make a contribution by getting a good old sing-song going. All the usual favourites:
"We're doomed"
"Cursed, fated and luckless"
Let's all be condemned"
The Armageddon Waltz"
"Doing the catastrophe and downfall walk"
"Here comes calamity, cataclysm, tragegy, trouble and diasaster and devastation"
"It's the end of the world again this week!"
Plus of course the hugely popular "I told you so"
Mush On The Beach
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12:17pm Sun 30 Sep 12
5 Albatross doesn’t make a bleak winter.
I loved the way we played in the first 20 and if only J-Rod had ...... Ah well.
Yes the butter through knife analogy is real and worrying but put on your tin hats and stay in the battle for the long term.
We will win some and maybe we will lose more, but I still believe there will be a minimum of 3 teams below us come August.
Click your heels 3 times and say:
There’s no place like home, there’s no place like home, there’s no place like home.
OSPREYSAINT
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12:20pm Sun 30 Sep 12
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:NA says Foxy has a chest infection and isn't well otherwise he may well have started, don't write him off yet. I wish I had a quid for every time someone has posted on here where is Tadanari Lee? They obviously don't trouble to keep up or read the replies, he has an elbow problem, was seen in a plaster cast just after the International break and is rumoured to be returning to full fitness shortly.
Saint 2701 wrote:Good job we didn't see you laugh in his face. He's given his all for Saints but isn't up to it so we wish him well and move on. Good luck Hammond, Barnard, Harding etc. Thank you.
Jay Rodriguez not ready for the prem, would have been better off with Billy Sharp yesterday. Bring back Billy and send Jay out on loan.
Wasn't expecting anything yesterday just got a bitter sweet taste after going 1 up!
Again think Nigel got it wrong though, left his subs far too late to change the game, it was blatently clear Rodriguez wasnt going to score!
Although i did enjoy laughing in Danny Fox's face as he walked past and stood with the fans, hopefully Nigel has realised he is a useless peice of S**T and we wont see him in a saints shirt again.
Back to win next game or Adkins is gone IMO.
Where is Tadanari Lee???
boilerman
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12:24pm Sun 30 Sep 12
Everton were quicker than us they closed us down when we had it and attacked with pace when they had it.
We never closed them down.
They at times had two unmarked players on the right wing so Clyne was out numbered.
I was at the game and I can't honestly tell you who was meant to be playing in front of him, I think it was Lallana but he was all over the place.
A few weeks ago someone on here defended Fox saying he was getting no help from the guy in front of him well I think he was right.
Lallana is not delivering in my opinion, he is trying too many clever tricks ,he should go back to basics.
If we had scored the second before they scored it might have been a different outcome, the same happened against Man U when we were 2 - 1 up.
We have got to be more clinical. because it is very hard to come back when you miss chances and then concede three goals in 15 min.
spratt
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12:25pm Sun 30 Sep 12
OSPREYSAINT
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12:30pm Sun 30 Sep 12
boilerman wrote:Sounds fair enough, it is something that can be addressed, any thoughts on Boruc replacing Gazza or was he not to blame? Again we had no bookings, is that down to a lack of aggression or are we just disciplined in that department, it is unusual that an away team doesn't pick up a caution or two?
It's not that we haven't got a recognised left back , it's the fact that whoever is playing in front of him is not doing his job.
Everton were quicker than us they closed us down when we had it and attacked with pace when they had it.
We never closed them down.
They at times had two unmarked players on the right wing so Clyne was out numbered.
I was at the game and I can't honestly tell you who was meant to be playing in front of him, I think it was Lallana but he was all over the place.
A few weeks ago someone on here defended Fox saying he was getting no help from the guy in front of him well I think he was right.
Lallana is not delivering in my opinion, he is trying too many clever tricks ,he should go back to basics.
If we had scored the second before they scored it might have been a different outcome, the same happened against Man U when we were 2 - 1 up.
We have got to be more clinical. because it is very hard to come back when you miss chances and then concede three goals in 15 min.
saintshorse101
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12:34pm Sun 30 Sep 12
OSPREYSAINT wrote:osprey the problem is that the moaners and groaners are always right! you know the moaners and groaners who only appear when we have lost, the ones who cant say anything positive, i told you so, mark my words and of course you heard it here first!
Back on my old sign on: NA says "For that 15-minute spell before half time it is fair to say that it was hard to contain them". How does that differ from what I said? He also says he will "analyse the goals tonight and tomorrow and probably think we could have done better with them" Understatement but absolutely spot on. It is a hard learning curve and little time to put it right, I don't think we have the depth to do it but would love to be proved wrong.
i actually prefer reading the comments our fishy friends post to some of our moaning fans, at least you know the fish are doing it because they dont like us.
i thought you were right earlier as it goes, we had some really good chances and didnt put them away, everton did. i thought it would be tough to get a win against everton yesterday and would have settled for a draw, however we lost so on to the next game. after being around the top of the league for the last 2 seasons i think some of our `new` supporters think we should be doing the same this year, that was never going to happen, we wont go down and will finish around 14th this season, we can then push on and improve the squad next summer ready to get a top 10 finish.
OSPREYSAINT
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12:36pm Sun 30 Sep 12
Mush On The Beach wrote:We are not in Kansas anymore we are Premier League, we need the Lion to roar, the Tin Man to be well oiled and if the Scarecrow only had a brain we would be fine.
1 swallow doesn’t make a hot summer,
5 Albatross doesn’t make a bleak winter.
I loved the way we played in the first 20 and if only J-Rod had ...... Ah well.
Yes the butter through knife analogy is real and worrying but put on your tin hats and stay in the battle for the long term.
We will win some and maybe we will lose more, but I still believe there will be a minimum of 3 teams below us come August.
Click your heels 3 times and say:
There’s no place like home, there’s no place like home, there’s no place like home.
OSPREYSAINT
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12:38pm Sun 30 Sep 12
saintshorse101 wrote:Good post, and there is still January when we can right a few wrongs with some educated signings, just maybe?
OSPREYSAINT wrote:osprey the problem is that the moaners and groaners are always right! you know the moaners and groaners who only appear when we have lost, the ones who cant say anything positive, i told you so, mark my words and of course you heard it here first!
Back on my old sign on: NA says "For that 15-minute spell before half time it is fair to say that it was hard to contain them". How does that differ from what I said? He also says he will "analyse the goals tonight and tomorrow and probably think we could have done better with them" Understatement but absolutely spot on. It is a hard learning curve and little time to put it right, I don't think we have the depth to do it but would love to be proved wrong.
i actually prefer reading the comments our fishy friends post to some of our moaning fans, at least you know the fish are doing it because they dont like us.
i thought you were right earlier as it goes, we had some really good chances and didnt put them away, everton did. i thought it would be tough to get a win against everton yesterday and would have settled for a draw, however we lost so on to the next game. after being around the top of the league for the last 2 seasons i think some of our `new` supporters think we should be doing the same this year, that was never going to happen, we wont go down and will finish around 14th this season, we can then push on and improve the squad next summer ready to get a top 10 finish.
TEBOURBA
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12:42pm Sun 30 Sep 12
Saints were good going forward.
Great teams get their men behind the ball, Saints didn't and were left yards and yards behind, chasing the heels of the Everton midfield every time they attacked.
Great teams, have great defences and do not leak goals
The chance to strengthen the defence and goalkeeper was lost in the close season that cannot be undone., so what can we do now?
The best defence the Saints ever had was when Hoddle was in charge.
If NC really wants to back NA and not sack him, he could do far worse than appoint Hoddle as Nigel's assistant ---NOW!
Remember you read it here first!!
mack chinnon
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1:17pm Sun 30 Sep 12
TEBOURBA wrote:Bring back Claus.
Playing in the Premiership is a world apart from the other three leagues.
Saints were good going forward.
Great teams get their men behind the ball, Saints didn't and were left yards and yards behind, chasing the heels of the Everton midfield every time they attacked.
Great teams, have great defences and do not leak goals
The chance to strengthen the defence and goalkeeper was lost in the close season that cannot be undone., so what can we do now?
The best defence the Saints ever had was when Hoddle was in charge.
If NC really wants to back NA and not sack him, he could do far worse than appoint Hoddle as Nigel's assistant ---NOW!
Remember you read it here first!!
Mush On The Beach
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1:23pm Sun 30 Sep 12
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Perhaps that would be RED ARMY 1, The rest of us and Fatty X Ford Worker in that order on any given weekend.
Mush On The Beach wrote:We are not in Kansas anymore we are Premier League, we need the Lion to roar, the Tin Man to be well oiled and if the Scarecrow only had a brain we would be fine.
1 swallow doesn’t make a hot summer,
5 Albatross doesn’t make a bleak winter.
I loved the way we played in the first 20 and if only J-Rod had ...... Ah well.
Yes the butter through knife analogy is real and worrying but put on your tin hats and stay in the battle for the long term.
We will win some and maybe we will lose more, but I still believe there will be a minimum of 3 teams below us come August.
Click your heels 3 times and say:
There’s no place like home, there’s no place like home, there’s no place like home.
Mush On The Beach
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1:26pm Sun 30 Sep 12
mack chinnon wrote:In the middle of our street.
TEBOURBA wrote:Bring back Claus.
Playing in the Premiership is a world apart from the other three leagues.
Saints were good going forward.
Great teams get their men behind the ball, Saints didn't and were left yards and yards behind, chasing the heels of the Everton midfield every time they attacked.
Great teams, have great defences and do not leak goals
The chance to strengthen the defence and goalkeeper was lost in the close season that cannot be undone., so what can we do now?
The best defence the Saints ever had was when Hoddle was in charge.
If NC really wants to back NA and not sack him, he could do far worse than appoint Hoddle as Nigel's assistant ---NOW!
Remember you read it here first!!
Actually, has he turned into the Tin Man these days?
OSPREYSAINT
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1:30pm Sun 30 Sep 12
TEBOURBA wrote:I disagree that it cannot be undone, that is just defeatist talk, we may have the answer already in the squad, it is just a matter of finding the right combination and I think NA will sort it in time, keep the faith.
Playing in the Premiership is a world apart from the other three leagues.
Saints were good going forward.
Great teams get their men behind the ball, Saints didn't and were left yards and yards behind, chasing the heels of the Everton midfield every time they attacked.
Great teams, have great defences and do not leak goals
The chance to strengthen the defence and goalkeeper was lost in the close season that cannot be undone., so what can we do now?
The best defence the Saints ever had was when Hoddle was in charge.
If NC really wants to back NA and not sack him, he could do far worse than appoint Hoddle as Nigel's assistant ---NOW!
Remember you read it here first!!
RedArmy1
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1:35pm Sun 30 Sep 12
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON.
RED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRM
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angus mc coatup
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2:09pm Sun 30 Sep 12
Saint 2701 wrote:Is this one of the most spiteful despicable post from a so called saints fan I thnk I have ever read on here."laughing in he's face" and "piece of s**t" you should be ashamed of yourself.you cannot possibly be a proper saints fan with an attitude like that.
Jay Rodriguez not ready for the prem, would have been better off with Billy Sharp yesterday. Bring back Billy and send Jay out on loan.
Wasn't expecting anything yesterday just got a bitter sweet taste after going 1 up!
Again think Nigel got it wrong though, left his subs far too late to change the game, it was blatently clear Rodriguez wasnt going to score!
Although i did enjoy laughing in Danny Fox's face as he walked past and stood with the fans, hopefully Nigel has realised he is a useless peice of S**T and we wont see him in a saints shirt again.
Back to win next game or Adkins is gone IMO.
Where is Tadanari Lee???
Saint 2701
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2:23pm Sun 30 Sep 12
saintshorse101 wrote:LOL im neither a WUM or a skate, have been a season ticket holder for the past 10 years and was at Forest Away we were already relegated to league 1... was you?
Saint 2701 wrote:"Although i did enjoy laughing in Danny Fox's face as he walked past and stood with the fans, hopefully Nigel has realised he is a useless peice of S**T and we wont see him in a saints shirt again."
Jay Rodriguez not ready for the prem, would have been better off with Billy Sharp yesterday. Bring back Billy and send Jay out on loan. Wasn't expecting anything yesterday just got a bitter sweet taste after going 1 up! Again think Nigel got it wrong though, left his subs far too late to change the game, it was blatently clear Rodriguez wasnt going to score! Although i did enjoy laughing in Danny Fox's face as he walked past and stood with the fans, hopefully Nigel has realised he is a useless peice of S**T and we wont see him in a saints shirt again. Back to win next game or Adkins is gone IMO. Where is Tadanari Lee???
what a piece of work you are! if you dont rate fox thats ok, i think he is ok, a lot of full backs in the prem are not great defenders! some have even had great international careers glen johnson for a start.
you are either a wum, skate or you know nothing about saints!
so we should send out j-rod on loan and get billy back? it is understood by many that billy couldnt settle down south and has no pace, j-rod has limited game time most of which has been on the wing. like most strikers j-rod is a form player, remember beattie?, and once he has a goal or 2 in the prem will be quality, problem he has is rickie is scoring well and takes the main strikers place, so adkins would have to go 4-4-2 for j-rod to play in position and most dont like that formation.
T. lee is injured! hurt his elbow on int break, most saints fans know that of course as it has been widely reported in the press and saints forums.
do you want adkins gone? why?
Correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure taking fox off last weekend completely changed the game and his attacking so far this season has also been woeful.
Yes i do remember "one season wonder" Beattie! I bet you were one of them people who thought Neil Mccan was a good player and travel away with saints travel eating boiled eggs telling people to keep quiet on the coach!
As for J-Rod i hope he proves me wrong but he is definetely not worth £7million IMO, Michu at Swansea would have been a much better and cheaper aquisition. And if he isn't happy playing in that position, what was the point in signing him?
Didnt say i wanted Adkins gone, but i really dont think NC will put up another loss next week.
Saint 2701
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2:26pm Sun 30 Sep 12
angus mc coatup wrote:Lol im a frustrated saints fan, that is disappointed that we didnt strengthen our defense!
Saint 2701 wrote:Is this one of the most spiteful despicable post from a so called saints fan I thnk I have ever read on here."laughing in he's face" and "piece of s**t" you should be ashamed of yourself.you cannot possibly be a proper saints fan with an attitude like that.
Jay Rodriguez not ready for the prem, would have been better off with Billy Sharp yesterday. Bring back Billy and send Jay out on loan.
Wasn't expecting anything yesterday just got a bitter sweet taste after going 1 up!
Again think Nigel got it wrong though, left his subs far too late to change the game, it was blatently clear Rodriguez wasnt going to score!
Although i did enjoy laughing in Danny Fox's face as he walked past and stood with the fans, hopefully Nigel has realised he is a useless peice of S**T and we wont see him in a saints shirt again.
Back to win next game or Adkins is gone IMO.
Where is Tadanari Lee???
And what is the criteria to being a "proper saints fan", just out of interest.
Rising_Son
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2:40pm Sun 30 Sep 12
Clyne and Yoshida?
angus mc coatup
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2:55pm Sun 30 Sep 12
Saint 2701 wrote:well being a proper fan don't include caling players " a piece of s**t " for starters.you don't even know the bloke.If you don't rate him fair enough, but laughing in his face and denigrating him on here is hardly the behaviour of a fan is it.
angus mc coatup wrote:Lol im a frustrated saints fan, that is disappointed that we didnt strengthen our defense!
Saint 2701 wrote:Is this one of the most spiteful despicable post from a so called saints fan I thnk I have ever read on here."laughing in he's face" and "piece of s**t" you should be ashamed of yourself.you cannot possibly be a proper saints fan with an attitude like that.
Jay Rodriguez not ready for the prem, would have been better off with Billy Sharp yesterday. Bring back Billy and send Jay out on loan.
Wasn't expecting anything yesterday just got a bitter sweet taste after going 1 up!
Again think Nigel got it wrong though, left his subs far too late to change the game, it was blatently clear Rodriguez wasnt going to score!
Although i did enjoy laughing in Danny Fox's face as he walked past and stood with the fans, hopefully Nigel has realised he is a useless peice of S**T and we wont see him in a saints shirt again.
Back to win next game or Adkins is gone IMO.
Where is Tadanari Lee???
And what is the criteria to being a "proper saints fan", just out of interest.
Mush On The Beach
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3:00pm Sun 30 Sep 12
angus mc coatup wrote:That
Saint 2701 wrote:well being a proper fan don't include caling players " a piece of s**t " for starters.you don't even know the bloke.If you don't rate him fair enough, but laughing in his face and denigrating him on here is hardly the behaviour of a fan is it.
angus mc coatup wrote:Lol im a frustrated saints fan, that is disappointed that we didnt strengthen our defense!
Saint 2701 wrote:Is this one of the most spiteful despicable post from a so called saints fan I thnk I have ever read on here."laughing in he's face" and "piece of s**t" you should be ashamed of yourself.you cannot possibly be a proper saints fan with an attitude like that.
Jay Rodriguez not ready for the prem, would have been better off with Billy Sharp yesterday. Bring back Billy and send Jay out on loan.
Wasn't expecting anything yesterday just got a bitter sweet taste after going 1 up!
Again think Nigel got it wrong though, left his subs far too late to change the game, it was blatently clear Rodriguez wasnt going to score!
Although i did enjoy laughing in Danny Fox's face as he walked past and stood with the fans, hopefully Nigel has realised he is a useless peice of S**T and we wont see him in a saints shirt again.
Back to win next game or Adkins is gone IMO.
Where is Tadanari Lee???
And what is the criteria to being a "proper saints fan", just out of interest.
Saint 2701
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3:06pm Sun 30 Sep 12
angus mc coatup
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3:13pm Sun 30 Sep 12
Saint 2701 wrote:no excuse for what you posted earlier.
im a fan of the club not danny fox
fan= supporter and talking about a player like that makes you neither in my book.
Saint 2701
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3:34pm Sun 30 Sep 12
saintshorse101
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3:35pm Sun 30 Sep 12
Saint 2701 wrote:no i think taking fox off was a factor last week but i dont think it was the only factor! moving clyne to left back instead of richardson (who could have gone there) was another. i dont like boiled eggs, never have, i also dont travel to away games by coach, last time i went to a game by coach was the 86 cup semi at white hart lane v liverpool. no i wasnt at the forest game, i have gone to many games since the early 80`s infact i used to go to every home game and most away for most of the 80`s and 90`s work permitting, even in the bad days of branfoot! however since becoming disabled early 03 i have been unable to go to many games at all, last season i managed 4, this season i got wigan in but had to give the manure ticket away. but i dont need to explain myself to you or anyone and i dont need to say i am a season ticket holder to make myself look good and think that my opinion is better than others! (i know not being a season ticket holder makes my views invalid to the likes of you, but i dont really care!).
saintshorse101 wrote:LOL im neither a WUM or a skate, have been a season ticket holder for the past 10 years and was at Forest Away we were already relegated to league 1... was you? Correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure taking fox off last weekend completely changed the game and his attacking so far this season has also been woeful. Yes i do remember "one season wonder" Beattie! I bet you were one of them people who thought Neil Mccan was a good player and travel away with saints travel eating boiled eggs telling people to keep quiet on the coach! As for J-Rod i hope he proves me wrong but he is definetely not worth £7million IMO, Michu at Swansea would have been a much better and cheaper aquisition. And if he isn't happy playing in that position, what was the point in signing him? Didnt say i wanted Adkins gone, but i really dont think NC will put up another loss next week.Saint 2701 wrote: Jay Rodriguez not ready for the prem, would have been better off with Billy Sharp yesterday. Bring back Billy and send Jay out on loan. Wasn't expecting anything yesterday just got a bitter sweet taste after going 1 up! Again think Nigel got it wrong though, left his subs far too late to change the game, it was blatently clear Rodriguez wasnt going to score! Although i did enjoy laughing in Danny Fox's face as he walked past and stood with the fans, hopefully Nigel has realised he is a useless peice of S**T and we wont see him in a saints shirt again. Back to win next game or Adkins is gone IMO. Where is Tadanari Lee???"Although i did enjoy laughing in Danny Fox's face as he walked past and stood with the fans, hopefully Nigel has realised he is a useless peice of S**T and we wont see him in a saints shirt again." what a piece of work you are! if you dont rate fox thats ok, i think he is ok, a lot of full backs in the prem are not great defenders! some have even had great international careers glen johnson for a start. you are either a wum, skate or you know nothing about saints! so we should send out j-rod on loan and get billy back? it is understood by many that billy couldnt settle down south and has no pace, j-rod has limited game time most of which has been on the wing. like most strikers j-rod is a form player, remember beattie?, and once he has a goal or 2 in the prem will be quality, problem he has is rickie is scoring well and takes the main strikers place, so adkins would have to go 4-4-2 for j-rod to play in position and most dont like that formation. T. lee is injured! hurt his elbow on int break, most saints fans know that of course as it has been widely reported in the press and saints forums. do you want adkins gone? why?
if you cant see the point of signing j-rod then you are a fool! especially as i told you before, j-rod has been brought in to replace lambert,£6mill now is nothing for a player who could be worth £15-20+ in a few years time. if rickie picks up an injury or a suspension then j-rod will play. in the mean time he will be picked out of position or for cup games to keep him match fit and to keep rickie on his toes. michu? a midfielder instead of a striker! strange choice. the choice would have been michu or gaston, i would rather have gaston. whats mccan got to do with anything? i mentioned beattie only as he is the best example of a saints striker who thrived on confidence!
do you know NC then or are you just guessing about him not putting up with another loss next week?
as others have said, your comments regarding Fox are disgraceful and no saints fan i know would ever say that or do that! and you should be ashamed that you posted it!
ghk230473
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3:59pm Sun 30 Sep 12
Rising_Son wrote:We are lacking in defence and our spending was prodominantly on forwards/attacking players, thick end of £20m!
ghk230473 wrote:ghk230473 wrote: "I think the reason we didn't sign defenders is because ..."
Just watched highlights on motd, everton were the hot knife, saints the butter. Fair enough we had some passages of fine play but even the match stats with shots, possession, corners etc don't bode well.
I think the reason we didn't sign defenders is because Adkins isn't defensive minded, which is reflected by how the team plays. 1st goal, the actual defenders could have done better but other 2 were everton running from deep unchallenged with saint players giving their markers far too much room, almost inviting the attack. If you gave my granny that much room she would create chances too!
Roller coaster season with plenty of peaks n troughs lays ahead, just hope we manage to score more than the opposition!
But we signed Clyne and Yoshida, and attempted to sign Buttner.
Defending starts from attack and should spread through the team when we aren't in possession. Too many times from what I have seen, teams run thru us and we don't look like we are marking close enough. Teams are rolling us over literally. When you have opposition walking past players then onto our defence which isn't the greatest at the best of times it's a bit of a worry.
Baddesley Bill
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4:46pm Sun 30 Sep 12
Saint 2701 wrote:You are entitled to criticise any player on a forum...but to attempt to ridicule them face to face (not that I saw anything of the kind occur) is not the actions of a fan imo.
im a fan of the club not danny fox
st bevois
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5:17pm Sun 30 Sep 12
spratt wrote:Have to agree - we seem to have had a "kid in a sweetshop" approach, buying and playing all the tasty morsals and leaving the boring ones (CB, LB and MF workhorses) on the backshelf. I hate to say it but NA got it very wrong yesterday and despite what is said does not to appear to have learned from mistakes - the flanks have been a problem since the City game and Rodriguez is totally lost there (Gary Neville - "he needs to start putting in a shift in front of Danny Fox") - and its not just the "moaner" on here but the pundits who are picking up on the same points. NA has done a fab job for us and no one is slagging him off, most of the pundits have praised him and most of the fans are behind him as per the Villa game - we are just playing "club manager" which is what we used to do down the pub before the web and gadget age (even Lawrie Mac used to get moaned at for some of his decisions and we were top 6 then)but if we don't learn quickly attitudes will change in all quarters - football is like politics, a week is along time. Its just surprising that a former goalkeeper and a well respected analyst in NA doesn't appear to be dealing with the issues. Hope to be proved wrong in due course and will be fully behind the team next Sunday.
Disappointing result but not, in my opinion, meriting some of the extreme negative comments especially regarding NAs future. We are not in the relegation zone (quite)in spite of having played some of the best teams in the league. However I would concede that the situation will be ominous if there are no further points after the next two games. I personally do not think NA is the best manager for the Club in the Premiership but hopefully will be proved wrong. He does seem unable to bring players off the bench or change tactics when things are not going right.It seems we bought a number of players almost in panic and they are yet to come togther as a cohesive unit not to mention the further strengthening needed in defence. The situation we find ourselves in now (if I am allowed an opinion) stems from the failure of both NC and NA to do the necessary business during the close season.

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1:32pm Sat 29 Sep 12
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