Adkins refuses to give up on 'shocking' Saints defence

Nigel Adkins

Nigel Adkins

First published in Saints News

SAINTS boss Nigel Adkins is refusing to give up on his “shocking” defence.

Saints’ leaky backline has so far shipped 28 goals in just ten games, a major reason why the club find themselves bottom of the Premier League.

Only one other club in the top seven tiers of English football have conceded more goals on average in their league games than Saints’ 2.8 – Conference North club Hinckley Town (2.86 average).

Having already tried three goalkeepers and an amazing SIX back four combinations in just ten games, Adkins is finally hoping a fully fit squad will allow him to settle on a consistent defensive combination.

He remains confident that will lead to stability and some desperately-needed clean sheets.

Saints have gone 19 Premier League matches without keeping a clean sheet – a run stretching back to March 2005 when they beat Tottenham 1-0 at St Mary’s.

 

Full story in today's Daily Echo

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7:13am Thu 8 Nov 12

Rising_Son says...

Apart from players coming back from injury, there's not much that can be done about the players we have till January, so all he can do is stay hopeful and work on them in training, isn't it?
Apart from players coming back from injury, there's not much that can be done about the players we have till January, so all he can do is stay hopeful and work on them in training, isn't it? Rising_Son
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7:36am Thu 8 Nov 12

White and red till dead says...

And therein lies the problem...
And therein lies the problem... White and red till dead
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7:40am Thu 8 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership?
If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence.
Surely he must know they're just not good enough?
Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership? If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence. Surely he must know they're just not good enough? loosehead
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7:46am Thu 8 Nov 12

SFCSaint says...

whats the point in this article? thats his job? he is responsible for sorting it out theres nothing special about this headline thatll make sell papers?
whats the point in this article? thats his job? he is responsible for sorting it out theres nothing special about this headline thatll make sell papers? SFCSaint
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7:53am Thu 8 Nov 12

Stroppy_gramps says...

Made up story by the DE because they don't have anything else to say.

Clearly posted to try to provoke debate from which rumours spring.
Made up story by the DE because they don't have anything else to say. Clearly posted to try to provoke debate from which rumours spring. Stroppy_gramps
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7:56am Thu 8 Nov 12

Ted Rogers says...

loosehead wrote:
Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership?
If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence.
Surely he must know they're just not good enough?
He can only work with the players he has! What other options are there?

I would far rather see a story that's a rallying cry from the local paper supporting our great club which in turn then generates a flood of positivity from the genuine fans posting on this site!

Too much to ask? Let's have a thread where we concentrate on talking football, formations and Saints only!

Who cares what's happening at the shitehole down the road? Don't entertain or respond to any non Saints fan spouting nonsense and on a wind up.
Come on you Reds, I'd like to see another defensive formation on Saturday - Gazza, Yoshi, Jos, Clyne and Shaw. With Spider, Cork, Gaston and Lallana with Ricky up top.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership? If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence. Surely he must know they're just not good enough?[/p][/quote]He can only work with the players he has! What other options are there? I would far rather see a story that's a rallying cry from the local paper supporting our great club which in turn then generates a flood of positivity from the genuine fans posting on this site! Too much to ask? Let's have a thread where we concentrate on talking football, formations and Saints only! Who cares what's happening at the shitehole down the road? Don't entertain or respond to any non Saints fan spouting nonsense and on a wind up. Come on you Reds, I'd like to see another defensive formation on Saturday - Gazza, Yoshi, Jos, Clyne and Shaw. With Spider, Cork, Gaston and Lallana with Ricky up top. Ted Rogers
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8:06am Thu 8 Nov 12

Lionel P says...

Adkins may be right. From the Saints matches that I've seen, it's the midfield that is really poor, just giving the ball away all the time, or punting long balls downfield where the forwards have no chance. In that situation any defence is going to get more pressure than they can handle. A lot of the time there is such a lack of pace and skill they would struggle to win games in the Championship, never mind the Premiership.
Adkins may be right. From the Saints matches that I've seen, it's the midfield that is really poor, just giving the ball away all the time, or punting long balls downfield where the forwards have no chance. In that situation any defence is going to get more pressure than they can handle. A lot of the time there is such a lack of pace and skill they would struggle to win games in the Championship, never mind the Premiership. Lionel P
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8:09am Thu 8 Nov 12

promised land says...

Fine. Don't give up on the "shocking"defence. but get the centre backs tighter, and communicate with eachother. Remind Clyne not to wait for the ball (aka Bale attacking the ball and jumping in front of him to score) and Fox ? ...To do everything he has not done before, right ! Down our left the opposition obviously see that as our weakest link, so be sure to address that. ....Swansea have not won or scored since the 1st game of the season away, so I expect nothing but a win.
Fine. Don't give up on the "shocking"defence. but get the centre backs tighter, and communicate with eachother. Remind Clyne not to wait for the ball (aka Bale attacking the ball and jumping in front of him to score) and Fox ? ...To do everything he has not done before, right ! Down our left the opposition obviously see that as our weakest link, so be sure to address that. ....Swansea have not won or scored since the 1st game of the season away, so I expect nothing but a win. promised land
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8:23am Thu 8 Nov 12

costa gaz says...

I think the return of Cork will make a difference.
Some one to protect the back four.
Also Fox is exposed far too much and needs some help from our left sided midfielder, Lallana is just not doing this right now.
The Adkins way of we will score more goals than you, worked in the lower leagues. Time for a re-think Nige.
I think the return of Cork will make a difference. Some one to protect the back four. Also Fox is exposed far too much and needs some help from our left sided midfielder, Lallana is just not doing this right now. The Adkins way of we will score more goals than you, worked in the lower leagues. Time for a re-think Nige. costa gaz
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8:24am Thu 8 Nov 12

mike saint says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership?
If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence.
Surely he must know they're just not good enough?
He can only work with the players he has! What other options are there?

I would far rather see a story that's a rallying cry from the local paper supporting our great club which in turn then generates a flood of positivity from the genuine fans posting on this site!

Too much to ask? Let's have a thread where we concentrate on talking football, formations and Saints only!

Who cares what's happening at the shitehole down the road? Don't entertain or respond to any non Saints fan spouting nonsense and on a wind up.
Come on you Reds, I'd like to see another defensive formation on Saturday - Gazza, Yoshi, Jos, Clyne and Shaw. With Spider, Cork, Gaston and Lallana with Ricky up top.
Well said. Team looks good to, we have missed Cork in midfield.
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership? If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence. Surely he must know they're just not good enough?[/p][/quote]He can only work with the players he has! What other options are there? I would far rather see a story that's a rallying cry from the local paper supporting our great club which in turn then generates a flood of positivity from the genuine fans posting on this site! Too much to ask? Let's have a thread where we concentrate on talking football, formations and Saints only! Who cares what's happening at the shitehole down the road? Don't entertain or respond to any non Saints fan spouting nonsense and on a wind up. Come on you Reds, I'd like to see another defensive formation on Saturday - Gazza, Yoshi, Jos, Clyne and Shaw. With Spider, Cork, Gaston and Lallana with Ricky up top.[/p][/quote]Well said. Team looks good to, we have missed Cork in midfield. mike saint
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8:26am Thu 8 Nov 12

SaintAsh1964 says...

It's not just the defence that has been poor this season, the midfield have been caught out of position far to many times too, the 1st goal vs WBA was a clear example, Lallana goes infield to joint Davies and Spider to close a player down, leaving Fox exposed down the left so the play is moved back outside where Lallana should have been but there is just space there, the attacking player moves back inside compressing the play looks to shoot at goal and spider ambles toward the attacker and as he shoots turns his back away from the player! I'm pretty sure Atkins does not practice this on this on the training pitch, it's just poor play, the defence is only as good as the midfield and our midfield is far too open, we need to defend better as a team as in the same way that we need to attack better as a team, the 2nd goal was also down to the midfield loosing possession in the final third with no midfield cover, that's what we need to work on, our defending as a team.
It's not just the defence that has been poor this season, the midfield have been caught out of position far to many times too, the 1st goal vs WBA was a clear example, Lallana goes infield to joint Davies and Spider to close a player down, leaving Fox exposed down the left so the play is moved back outside where Lallana should have been but there is just space there, the attacking player moves back inside compressing the play looks to shoot at goal and spider ambles toward the attacker and as he shoots turns his back away from the player! I'm pretty sure Atkins does not practice this on this on the training pitch, it's just poor play, the defence is only as good as the midfield and our midfield is far too open, we need to defend better as a team as in the same way that we need to attack better as a team, the 2nd goal was also down to the midfield loosing possession in the final third with no midfield cover, that's what we need to work on, our defending as a team. SaintAsh1964
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8:28am Thu 8 Nov 12

promised land says...

costa gaz wrote:
I think the return of Cork will make a difference.
Some one to protect the back four.
Also Fox is exposed far too much and needs some help from our left sided midfielder, Lallana is just not doing this right now.
The Adkins way of we will score more goals than you, worked in the lower leagues. Time for a re-think Nige.
Well said. Fox requires better cover.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: I think the return of Cork will make a difference. Some one to protect the back four. Also Fox is exposed far too much and needs some help from our left sided midfielder, Lallana is just not doing this right now. The Adkins way of we will score more goals than you, worked in the lower leagues. Time for a re-think Nige.[/p][/quote]Well said. Fox requires better cover. promised land
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8:28am Thu 8 Nov 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Playing the same four at the back for more than one game at a time might help, this has not happened for a number of reasons, we are very thin on the ground in that area and not a lot can be done until the January Window opens. All we can do is give maximum support to whatever XI NA puts out and hope that they all turn up and play.
Playing the same four at the back for more than one game at a time might help, this has not happened for a number of reasons, we are very thin on the ground in that area and not a lot can be done until the January Window opens. All we can do is give maximum support to whatever XI NA puts out and hope that they all turn up and play. OSPREYSAINT
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8:33am Thu 8 Nov 12

Saint Joe says...

Lionel P wrote:
Adkins may be right. From the Saints matches that I've seen, it's the midfield that is really poor, just giving the ball away all the time, or punting long balls downfield where the forwards have no chance. In that situation any defence is going to get more pressure than they can handle. A lot of the time there is such a lack of pace and skill they would struggle to win games in the Championship, never mind the Premiership.
Well said ! games are won & lost in midfield if we don`t hold up the ball and keep giving it away the defence is under pressure all the time, every time its cleared it comes straight back .........I know the defence is sloppy but the midfield don`t help matters ....
If we are going to win games we`ve got to wise up quickly.......Move Fox up left of midfield as he`s no defender,we can`t do any worse
[quote][p][bold]Lionel P[/bold] wrote: Adkins may be right. From the Saints matches that I've seen, it's the midfield that is really poor, just giving the ball away all the time, or punting long balls downfield where the forwards have no chance. In that situation any defence is going to get more pressure than they can handle. A lot of the time there is such a lack of pace and skill they would struggle to win games in the Championship, never mind the Premiership.[/p][/quote]Well said ! games are won & lost in midfield if we don`t hold up the ball and keep giving it away the defence is under pressure all the time, every time its cleared it comes straight back .........I know the defence is sloppy but the midfield don`t help matters .... If we are going to win games we`ve got to wise up quickly.......Move Fox up left of midfield as he`s no defender,we can`t do any worse Saint Joe
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8:33am Thu 8 Nov 12

City Saint says...

Desperate times require desperate measures. Put five at the back, a strong back four with a solid DM in front or sweeper just slightly behind.

This implied a return to the dreaded diamond. But we look so naked deep down our flanks we need to shore up the defense.

When we start turning losses into draws, and draws into losses, maybe we will build the kind of confidence (and squad) needed to play attack-minded football.
Desperate times require desperate measures. Put five at the back, a strong back four with a solid DM in front or sweeper just slightly behind. This implied a return to the dreaded diamond. But we look so naked deep down our flanks we need to shore up the defense. When we start turning losses into draws, and draws into losses, maybe we will build the kind of confidence (and squad) needed to play attack-minded football. City Saint
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8:35am Thu 8 Nov 12

City Saint says...

City Saint wrote:
Desperate times require desperate measures. Put five at the back, a strong back four with a solid DM in front or sweeper just slightly behind. This implied a return to the dreaded diamond. But we look so naked deep down our flanks we need to shore up the defense. When we start turning losses into draws, and draws into losses, maybe we will build the kind of confidence (and squad) needed to play attack-minded football.
Lol, "draws into wins" I mean. I think we've already got it down on turning "draws into losses".
[quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: Desperate times require desperate measures. Put five at the back, a strong back four with a solid DM in front or sweeper just slightly behind. This implied a return to the dreaded diamond. But we look so naked deep down our flanks we need to shore up the defense. When we start turning losses into draws, and draws into losses, maybe we will build the kind of confidence (and squad) needed to play attack-minded football.[/p][/quote]Lol, "draws into wins" I mean. I think we've already got it down on turning "draws into losses". City Saint
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8:47am Thu 8 Nov 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

It is said that the squad are being taken away somewhere for two days, presumably on a team building exercise, hopefully nothing risky but also not too cushy. I have visions of Rambo copping a paintball in the eye, or Lambo crashing into a wall on an Army obstacle course.
It is said that the squad are being taken away somewhere for two days, presumably on a team building exercise, hopefully nothing risky but also not too cushy. I have visions of Rambo copping a paintball in the eye, or Lambo crashing into a wall on an Army obstacle course. OSPREYSAINT
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8:58am Thu 8 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

The back four need to communicate better and play as a unit, but that cant be helped if Yoshida's English isnt great. Also cant help if the fullbacks are being exposed due to the midfield mindset being to attack.
Let alone losing the ball in the middle of midfield and our centrebacks not being agile enough to deal with the onslought.. and.. and.. and.
The back four need to communicate better and play as a unit, but that cant be helped if Yoshida's English isnt great. Also cant help if the fullbacks are being exposed due to the midfield mindset being to attack. Let alone losing the ball in the middle of midfield and our centrebacks not being agile enough to deal with the onslought.. and.. and.. and. SaintMax
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8:59am Thu 8 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership?
If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence.
Surely he must know they're just not good enough?
He can only work with the players he has! What other options are there?

I would far rather see a story that's a rallying cry from the local paper supporting our great club which in turn then generates a flood of positivity from the genuine fans posting on this site!

Too much to ask? Let's have a thread where we concentrate on talking football, formations and Saints only!

Who cares what's happening at the shitehole down the road? Don't entertain or respond to any non Saints fan spouting nonsense and on a wind up.
Come on you Reds, I'd like to see another defensive formation on Saturday - Gazza, Yoshi, Jos, Clyne and Shaw. With Spider, Cork, Gaston and Lallana with Ricky up top.
Surely as a manager he must have noticed last season he needed to strengthen his defence?
I also said we needed a midfield ball player/tactician /general as we had the strikers but they had to keep coming back for the ball or to defend.
he Adkins had the chance at the beginning of the season to strengthen both positions defence & midfield but instead concentrated on attack or attacking players.
surely your not saying Fonte is good enough for this league are you?
If he has a full strength squad & comes away with nothing over these next three matches I'm sorry but it's good bye Adkins as I can't see him surviving after that
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership? If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence. Surely he must know they're just not good enough?[/p][/quote]He can only work with the players he has! What other options are there? I would far rather see a story that's a rallying cry from the local paper supporting our great club which in turn then generates a flood of positivity from the genuine fans posting on this site! Too much to ask? Let's have a thread where we concentrate on talking football, formations and Saints only! Who cares what's happening at the shitehole down the road? Don't entertain or respond to any non Saints fan spouting nonsense and on a wind up. Come on you Reds, I'd like to see another defensive formation on Saturday - Gazza, Yoshi, Jos, Clyne and Shaw. With Spider, Cork, Gaston and Lallana with Ricky up top.[/p][/quote]Surely as a manager he must have noticed last season he needed to strengthen his defence? I also said we needed a midfield ball player/tactician /general as we had the strikers but they had to keep coming back for the ball or to defend. he Adkins had the chance at the beginning of the season to strengthen both positions defence & midfield but instead concentrated on attack or attacking players. surely your not saying Fonte is good enough for this league are you? If he has a full strength squad & comes away with nothing over these next three matches I'm sorry but it's good bye Adkins as I can't see him surviving after that loosehead
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9:00am Thu 8 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
It is said that the squad are being taken away somewhere for two days, presumably on a team building exercise, hopefully nothing risky but also not too cushy. I have visions of Rambo copping a paintball in the eye, or Lambo crashing into a wall on an Army obstacle course.
Jesus I hope Guly doesnt give anyone else a dead leg.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: It is said that the squad are being taken away somewhere for two days, presumably on a team building exercise, hopefully nothing risky but also not too cushy. I have visions of Rambo copping a paintball in the eye, or Lambo crashing into a wall on an Army obstacle course.[/p][/quote]Jesus I hope Guly doesnt give anyone else a dead leg. SaintMax
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9:01am Thu 8 Nov 12

Matt Allen says...

We can win this weekend, Swansea are there for the taking - we need to be the 12th (or 13th) man and get right behind the team and manager as we always do.

Come on Saints, we can do it - together as one!
We can win this weekend, Swansea are there for the taking - we need to be the 12th (or 13th) man and get right behind the team and manager as we always do. Come on Saints, we can do it - together as one! Matt Allen
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9:01am Thu 8 Nov 12

MGRA says...

you can not play that back four without Punch or a similar player in front of them... otherwise its just park-football.... park-football that we will continue to loose. Ideally also with a player like Hammond... no super stars needed, just players who can hold that space in front of the centre halves and drift across when needed to cover the full backs. This is no-brainer stuff so I am genuinely baffled why its not happening...
you can not play that back four without Punch or a similar player in front of them... otherwise its just park-football.... park-football that we will continue to loose. Ideally also with a player like Hammond... no super stars needed, just players who can hold that space in front of the centre halves and drift across when needed to cover the full backs. This is no-brainer stuff so I am genuinely baffled why its not happening... MGRA
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9:05am Thu 8 Nov 12

Saintsayer II says...

I would like to see Cork either in the back 4 or as a sweeper in front of them
I would like to see Cork either in the back 4 or as a sweeper in front of them Saintsayer II
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9:05am Thu 8 Nov 12

Saintsayer II says...

I would like to see Cork either in the back 4 or as a sweeper in front of them
I would like to see Cork either in the back 4 or as a sweeper in front of them Saintsayer II
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9:06am Thu 8 Nov 12

Flashin the pan says...

Adkins, there's a vacancy going at Pompey right now, if your up for it.
You and Appleton have simular traits, can't win games that often and the football is mostly dire.
Strong possibilty saturday's game with QPR who some class players in their side will result in another loss and more stick for Mr. Adkins. Some southern clubs are really struggling...maybe Bournemouth can do better this season.
Adkins, there's a vacancy going at Pompey right now, if your up for it. You and Appleton have simular traits, can't win games that often and the football is mostly dire. Strong possibilty saturday's game with QPR who some class players in their side will result in another loss and more stick for Mr. Adkins. Some southern clubs are really struggling...maybe Bournemouth can do better this season. Flashin the pan
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9:06am Thu 8 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

Matt Allen wrote:
We can win this weekend, Swansea are there for the taking - we need to be the 12th (or 13th) man and get right behind the team and manager as we always do.

Come on Saints, we can do it - together as one!
Like
[quote][p][bold]Matt Allen[/bold] wrote: We can win this weekend, Swansea are there for the taking - we need to be the 12th (or 13th) man and get right behind the team and manager as we always do. Come on Saints, we can do it - together as one![/p][/quote]Like SaintMax
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9:06am Thu 8 Nov 12

Stroppy_gramps says...

loads of singing
loads of chanting
loads of support

make sure the away fans don't get a look in.

anyone who's been on a pitch knows that when you can hear your support you just play better.
loads of singing loads of chanting loads of support make sure the away fans don't get a look in. anyone who's been on a pitch knows that when you can hear your support you just play better. Stroppy_gramps
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9:09am Thu 8 Nov 12

saintlysoul says...

As far as the midfield is concerned JWP has to start. He's prepared to close down, tackle and can dictate the tempo of play. It would be great to see him start with Cork. On Tuesday nights display Davis and Spider should be rested or on the bench. I agree with the comments about our midfield and the fact that they are putting pressure on the defence. In addition as far as the defence is concerned IMO Shaw should start at left back. Fox should be rested and Reeves shoukd be on the bench in the event that Shaw needs to be substituted. Reeves is also able to play in midfield.

Adkins deserves much more from the players who have to 'up' their games. Lambert needs to be more energetic he is way too pedestrian. Lalana needs to up his game and if he is to remain captain be far more vocal and start directing players - I've noticed JWP when he plays does far more of this than Lalana.

Lets start putting in performances like we did against Man City, Man Utd and Everton! I know we lost but work rate and effort could not be questioned!!!!

COYR!!!!!
As far as the midfield is concerned JWP has to start. He's prepared to close down, tackle and can dictate the tempo of play. It would be great to see him start with Cork. On Tuesday nights display Davis and Spider should be rested or on the bench. I agree with the comments about our midfield and the fact that they are putting pressure on the defence. In addition as far as the defence is concerned IMO Shaw should start at left back. Fox should be rested and Reeves shoukd be on the bench in the event that Shaw needs to be substituted. Reeves is also able to play in midfield. Adkins deserves much more from the players who have to 'up' their games. Lambert needs to be more energetic he is way too pedestrian. Lalana needs to up his game and if he is to remain captain be far more vocal and start directing players - I've noticed JWP when he plays does far more of this than Lalana. Lets start putting in performances like we did against Man City, Man Utd and Everton! I know we lost but work rate and effort could not be questioned!!!! COYR!!!!! saintlysoul
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9:10am Thu 8 Nov 12

Alicesdad says...

The last paragraph of the article is a laughable abuse of statistics which simply shows the writer hadn't met the word count for the the article or was bored and needed to pad it out.

Adkins must work with what he has. Stunning observartion.
But the players must work at what they are supposed to do too. Their individual performance is weak and does not justify their status as premier players. In the end they will be sold and replaced of they do not raise their game. Thats football.

Clyne shows great potential, Fonte needs some mentoring/coaching and I havent given up on him yet. Yoshida is learning about a whole new game at Premiership level but has international experience and may have what it takes once he settles. Fox needs more help from the mid field as he is often left exposed by poor midfield cover and he gets caught out of position. I don't know whats up with Hooifeld, but he has lost assertiveness. I though he woudl be the one to mentor Fonte but now I'm not so sure.

This is all well chewed stuff and just regurgitating thoughts going back weeks.

Not much else to talk about today.

Or maybe there is ... I was in the Saints shop the other day and frankly I dont like the shirts. I seldom get drawn inot this area of debate but I have seen them on MOTD and at the ground and after a few weeks of tolerance I think they are simply not in line with the Saints image going back decades. We have had some pretty odd patterns based on red and white over the years, but the current strip is just not Saints. I remember that grey strip that Man Utd had on when we beat them 6-3 years ago. That strip was never worn again, Ferguson saw to that. We should do the same. It's not an ugly or unpleasant strip, it's just not Saints.

... or we could talk about the weather ...
The last paragraph of the article is a laughable abuse of statistics which simply shows the writer hadn't met the word count for the the article or was bored and needed to pad it out. Adkins must work with what he has. Stunning observartion. But the players must work at what they are supposed to do too. Their individual performance is weak and does not justify their status as premier players. In the end they will be sold and replaced of they do not raise their game. Thats football. Clyne shows great potential, Fonte needs some mentoring/coaching and I havent given up on him yet. Yoshida is learning about a whole new game at Premiership level but has international experience and may have what it takes once he settles. Fox needs more help from the mid field as he is often left exposed by poor midfield cover and he gets caught out of position. I don't know whats up with Hooifeld, but he has lost assertiveness. I though he woudl be the one to mentor Fonte but now I'm not so sure. This is all well chewed stuff and just regurgitating thoughts going back weeks. Not much else to talk about today. Or maybe there is ... I was in the Saints shop the other day and frankly I dont like the shirts. I seldom get drawn inot this area of debate but I have seen them on MOTD and at the ground and after a few weeks of tolerance I think they are simply not in line with the Saints image going back decades. We have had some pretty odd patterns based on red and white over the years, but the current strip is just not Saints. I remember that grey strip that Man Utd had on when we beat them 6-3 years ago. That strip was never worn again, Ferguson saw to that. We should do the same. It's not an ugly or unpleasant strip, it's just not Saints. ... or we could talk about the weather ... Alicesdad
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9:10am Thu 8 Nov 12

billythesaint says...

Before Chaplow got injured he was our stand out player. I know it was a different division but until Cork is fully fit we need a midfielder with a bit more bite as our defense is poor. I wonder how many points he may have rescued us? Might not have made a difference but so far anything should be tried. Davis is a good player but a bit too vanilla for me. Looking forward to the return of Cork because we're knackered until January defensively. We haven't started a single game with Fox, Hooiveld, Yoshida and Clyne. Try that NA? A clean sheet against Swansea is possible and the confidence may turn things around and make up for the lack of ability in general. If we're still bottom after this run off games I think Adkins may be gone. Let's start our season (again) on Saturday for F sake!
Before Chaplow got injured he was our stand out player. I know it was a different division but until Cork is fully fit we need a midfielder with a bit more bite as our defense is poor. I wonder how many points he may have rescued us? Might not have made a difference but so far anything should be tried. Davis is a good player but a bit too vanilla for me. Looking forward to the return of Cork because we're knackered until January defensively. We haven't started a single game with Fox, Hooiveld, Yoshida and Clyne. Try that NA? A clean sheet against Swansea is possible and the confidence may turn things around and make up for the lack of ability in general. If we're still bottom after this run off games I think Adkins may be gone. Let's start our season (again) on Saturday for F sake! billythesaint
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9:10am Thu 8 Nov 12

Flashin the pan says...

Flashin the pan wrote:
Adkins, there's a vacancy going at Pompey right now, if your up for it. You and Appleton have simular traits, can't win games that often and the football is mostly dire. Strong possibilty saturday's game with QPR who some class players in their side will result in another loss and more stick for Mr. Adkins. Some southern clubs are really struggling...maybe Bournemouth can do better this season.
Wrong week...the Swans are playing instead and the rangers game soon follows on.
1-2
[quote][p][bold]Flashin the pan[/bold] wrote: Adkins, there's a vacancy going at Pompey right now, if your up for it. You and Appleton have simular traits, can't win games that often and the football is mostly dire. Strong possibilty saturday's game with QPR who some class players in their side will result in another loss and more stick for Mr. Adkins. Some southern clubs are really struggling...maybe Bournemouth can do better this season.[/p][/quote]Wrong week...the Swans are playing instead and the rangers game soon follows on. 1-2 Flashin the pan
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9:12am Thu 8 Nov 12

MGRA says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
I would like to see Cork either in the back 4 or as a sweeper in front of them
if fit cork and punch HAVE to play.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: I would like to see Cork either in the back 4 or as a sweeper in front of them[/p][/quote]if fit cork and punch HAVE to play. MGRA
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9:14am Thu 8 Nov 12

billythesaint says...

loosehead wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership?
If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence.
Surely he must know they're just not good enough?
He can only work with the players he has! What other options are there?

I would far rather see a story that's a rallying cry from the local paper supporting our great club which in turn then generates a flood of positivity from the genuine fans posting on this site!

Too much to ask? Let's have a thread where we concentrate on talking football, formations and Saints only!

Who cares what's happening at the shitehole down the road? Don't entertain or respond to any non Saints fan spouting nonsense and on a wind up.
Come on you Reds, I'd like to see another defensive formation on Saturday - Gazza, Yoshi, Jos, Clyne and Shaw. With Spider, Cork, Gaston and Lallana with Ricky up top.
Surely as a manager he must have noticed last season he needed to strengthen his defence?
I also said we needed a midfield ball player/tactician /general as we had the strikers but they had to keep coming back for the ball or to defend.
he Adkins had the chance at the beginning of the season to strengthen both positions defence & midfield but instead concentrated on attack or attacking players.
surely your not saying Fonte is good enough for this league are you?
If he has a full strength squad & comes away with nothing over these next three matches I'm sorry but it's good bye Adkins as I can't see him surviving after that
You're right but you'll get slated!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership? If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence. Surely he must know they're just not good enough?[/p][/quote]He can only work with the players he has! What other options are there? I would far rather see a story that's a rallying cry from the local paper supporting our great club which in turn then generates a flood of positivity from the genuine fans posting on this site! Too much to ask? Let's have a thread where we concentrate on talking football, formations and Saints only! Who cares what's happening at the shitehole down the road? Don't entertain or respond to any non Saints fan spouting nonsense and on a wind up. Come on you Reds, I'd like to see another defensive formation on Saturday - Gazza, Yoshi, Jos, Clyne and Shaw. With Spider, Cork, Gaston and Lallana with Ricky up top.[/p][/quote]Surely as a manager he must have noticed last season he needed to strengthen his defence? I also said we needed a midfield ball player/tactician /general as we had the strikers but they had to keep coming back for the ball or to defend. he Adkins had the chance at the beginning of the season to strengthen both positions defence & midfield but instead concentrated on attack or attacking players. surely your not saying Fonte is good enough for this league are you? If he has a full strength squad & comes away with nothing over these next three matches I'm sorry but it's good bye Adkins as I can't see him surviving after that[/p][/quote]You're right but you'll get slated! billythesaint
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9:18am Thu 8 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

Flashin the pan wrote:
Flashin the pan wrote:
Adkins, there's a vacancy going at Pompey right now, if your up for it. You and Appleton have simular traits, can't win games that often and the football is mostly dire. Strong possibilty saturday's game with QPR who some class players in their side will result in another loss and more stick for Mr. Adkins. Some southern clubs are really struggling...maybe Bournemouth can do better this season.
Wrong week...the Swans are playing instead and the rangers game soon follows on.
1-2
A tip:- if your going to post something to try and wind us up, swot up on your facts first or you look even more stupid.
But you know that.
[quote][p][bold]Flashin the pan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Flashin the pan[/bold] wrote: Adkins, there's a vacancy going at Pompey right now, if your up for it. You and Appleton have simular traits, can't win games that often and the football is mostly dire. Strong possibilty saturday's game with QPR who some class players in their side will result in another loss and more stick for Mr. Adkins. Some southern clubs are really struggling...maybe Bournemouth can do better this season.[/p][/quote]Wrong week...the Swans are playing instead and the rangers game soon follows on. 1-2[/p][/quote]A tip:- if your going to post something to try and wind us up, swot up on your facts first or you look even more stupid. But you know that. SaintMax
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9:19am Thu 8 Nov 12

Stroppy_gramps says...

Flashin the pan wrote:
Adkins, there's a vacancy going at Pompey right now, if your up for it. You and Appleton have simular traits, can't win games that often and the football is mostly dire. Strong possibilty saturday's game with QPR who some class players in their side will result in another loss and more stick for Mr. Adkins. Some southern clubs are really struggling...maybe Bournemouth can do better this season.
best you can do?
poor effort.

not got much to say now have you.

No ground
No Money
No squad
No Manager
No Assistant Manager
No future

keep trying flash, guess your team really are living up to your name - a real flash in the pan.


I bet Tesco's a rubbing their hands, warming up the tarmac to turn your kipper shed into a car park
[quote][p][bold]Flashin the pan[/bold] wrote: Adkins, there's a vacancy going at Pompey right now, if your up for it. You and Appleton have simular traits, can't win games that often and the football is mostly dire. Strong possibilty saturday's game with QPR who some class players in their side will result in another loss and more stick for Mr. Adkins. Some southern clubs are really struggling...maybe Bournemouth can do better this season.[/p][/quote]best you can do? poor effort. not got much to say now have you. No ground No Money No squad No Manager No Assistant Manager No future keep trying flash, guess your team really are living up to your name - a real flash in the pan. I bet Tesco's a rubbing their hands, warming up the tarmac to turn your kipper shed into a car park Stroppy_gramps
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9:22am Thu 8 Nov 12

St Retford says...

I think the defence was much, much better against West Brom. No one would have stopped their second and the first was a deflection which should have been ruled out for handball in any event. Other than that I think Gazza only made one save.

I think the whole team is being set up to focus more on defence, which is why I don't think we created as much going forward. We'll get there.
I think the defence was much, much better against West Brom. No one would have stopped their second and the first was a deflection which should have been ruled out for handball in any event. Other than that I think Gazza only made one save. I think the whole team is being set up to focus more on defence, which is why I don't think we created as much going forward. We'll get there. St Retford
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9:24am Thu 8 Nov 12

Stroppy_gramps says...

Oh and flash....

we're playing Swansea you muppet
Oh and flash.... we're playing Swansea you muppet Stroppy_gramps
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9:25am Thu 8 Nov 12

saintlysoul says...

Alicesdad wrote:
The last paragraph of the article is a laughable abuse of statistics which simply shows the writer hadn't met the word count for the the article or was bored and needed to pad it out.

Adkins must work with what he has. Stunning observartion.
But the players must work at what they are supposed to do too. Their individual performance is weak and does not justify their status as premier players. In the end they will be sold and replaced of they do not raise their game. Thats football.

Clyne shows great potential, Fonte needs some mentoring/coaching and I havent given up on him yet. Yoshida is learning about a whole new game at Premiership level but has international experience and may have what it takes once he settles. Fox needs more help from the mid field as he is often left exposed by poor midfield cover and he gets caught out of position. I don't know whats up with Hooifeld, but he has lost assertiveness. I though he woudl be the one to mentor Fonte but now I'm not so sure.

This is all well chewed stuff and just regurgitating thoughts going back weeks.

Not much else to talk about today.

Or maybe there is ... I was in the Saints shop the other day and frankly I dont like the shirts. I seldom get drawn inot this area of debate but I have seen them on MOTD and at the ground and after a few weeks of tolerance I think they are simply not in line with the Saints image going back decades. We have had some pretty odd patterns based on red and white over the years, but the current strip is just not Saints. I remember that grey strip that Man Utd had on when we beat them 6-3 years ago. That strip was never worn again, Ferguson saw to that. We should do the same. It's not an ugly or unpleasant strip, it's just not Saints.

... or we could talk about the weather ...
Well said!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: The last paragraph of the article is a laughable abuse of statistics which simply shows the writer hadn't met the word count for the the article or was bored and needed to pad it out. Adkins must work with what he has. Stunning observartion. But the players must work at what they are supposed to do too. Their individual performance is weak and does not justify their status as premier players. In the end they will be sold and replaced of they do not raise their game. Thats football. Clyne shows great potential, Fonte needs some mentoring/coaching and I havent given up on him yet. Yoshida is learning about a whole new game at Premiership level but has international experience and may have what it takes once he settles. Fox needs more help from the mid field as he is often left exposed by poor midfield cover and he gets caught out of position. I don't know whats up with Hooifeld, but he has lost assertiveness. I though he woudl be the one to mentor Fonte but now I'm not so sure. This is all well chewed stuff and just regurgitating thoughts going back weeks. Not much else to talk about today. Or maybe there is ... I was in the Saints shop the other day and frankly I dont like the shirts. I seldom get drawn inot this area of debate but I have seen them on MOTD and at the ground and after a few weeks of tolerance I think they are simply not in line with the Saints image going back decades. We have had some pretty odd patterns based on red and white over the years, but the current strip is just not Saints. I remember that grey strip that Man Utd had on when we beat them 6-3 years ago. That strip was never worn again, Ferguson saw to that. We should do the same. It's not an ugly or unpleasant strip, it's just not Saints. ... or we could talk about the weather ...[/p][/quote]Well said!!!! saintlysoul
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9:25am Thu 8 Nov 12

mack chinnon says...

I am starting to feel a bit sorry for Portsmouth.
Just kidding.HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA .
Come on Bury.
I am starting to feel a bit sorry for Portsmouth. Just kidding.HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA . Come on Bury. mack chinnon
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9:30am Thu 8 Nov 12

george chivers says...

It all looks grim to me lying on my back here in my coffin. Well I suppose it would really. We all know the problem, a poor back five and a lack of pace and quality in midfield. We can score goals but we can't defend. We got promoted on momentum and half decent players. We now need pace and decent players, but we haven't got them, certainly not in defence and midfield. There is only so much you can do with enthusiasm and self help management manuals. Unfortunately you can't make average athletes into good athletes. Or one footed players into two footed players, or poor decision makers into good decision makers. You have to buy those.

You've done a great job Nigel but you screwed up in assessing what was needed in the PL and in the transfer market. it's time fix it with what you've got or it's time to go, before it's too late.

Swansea have a poor away record, this is a must win game if you are to survive. Good Luck! I hope you can do it! And continue to do it! But clearly I have my doubts. Thanks for the two promotions. Great work!
It all looks grim to me lying on my back here in my coffin. Well I suppose it would really. We all know the problem, a poor back five and a lack of pace and quality in midfield. We can score goals but we can't defend. We got promoted on momentum and half decent players. We now need pace and decent players, but we haven't got them, certainly not in defence and midfield. There is only so much you can do with enthusiasm and self help management manuals. Unfortunately you can't make average athletes into good athletes. Or one footed players into two footed players, or poor decision makers into good decision makers. You have to buy those. You've done a great job Nigel but you screwed up in assessing what was needed in the PL and in the transfer market. it's time fix it with what you've got or it's time to go, before it's too late. Swansea have a poor away record, this is a must win game if you are to survive. Good Luck! I hope you can do it! And continue to do it! But clearly I have my doubts. Thanks for the two promotions. Great work! george chivers
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9:33am Thu 8 Nov 12

derbydog says...

Cork can play right back. Clyne looked OK at left back. Worth a try?
Cork can play right back. Clyne looked OK at left back. Worth a try? derbydog
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9:33am Thu 8 Nov 12

kent141 says...

The orange faced Adkins loses a bit more of the plot everyday, but can still do no wrong with the happy clappers .
The orange faced Adkins loses a bit more of the plot everyday, but can still do no wrong with the happy clappers . kent141
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9:34am Thu 8 Nov 12

Linesman says...

Adkins' comment must be music to the ears of opposing managers.
Adkins' comment must be music to the ears of opposing managers. Linesman
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9:34am Thu 8 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

St Retford wrote:
I think the defence was much, much better against West Brom. No one would have stopped their second and the first was a deflection which should have been ruled out for handball in any event. Other than that I think Gazza only made one save.

I think the whole team is being set up to focus more on defence, which is why I don't think we created as much going forward. We'll get there.
I think we got away with ball retention in the championship, then picked our own time to score, and so the team were set up to attack.
In this league the format has been found out as we are not good enough to keep the ball, and not quick enough to respond to a counter-attack.
So we defo need to learn to park the bus.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: I think the defence was much, much better against West Brom. No one would have stopped their second and the first was a deflection which should have been ruled out for handball in any event. Other than that I think Gazza only made one save. I think the whole team is being set up to focus more on defence, which is why I don't think we created as much going forward. We'll get there.[/p][/quote]I think we got away with ball retention in the championship, then picked our own time to score, and so the team were set up to attack. In this league the format has been found out as we are not good enough to keep the ball, and not quick enough to respond to a counter-attack. So we defo need to learn to park the bus. SaintMax
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9:40am Thu 8 Nov 12

teamster says...

There is a saying in football that you defend from the front!!! I cannot blame all of our problems on the defence although I have to say they do not talk enough, there is no leader in the back line organising. In the midfield we are not nasty enough, we need to be stronger, our passing in midfield is either back or sideways and part of the reason for this is a lack of movement upfront. Against WBA we were bullied off the ball Lallana, Spider and Davis looked lightweight. IMO I have never been that impressed with Spider, he promises much but delivers very little. Once Cork is fit he comes straight in for me to help protect the back four, JRod and Lallana need to get in the gym and beef up they were getting blown off the ball the other night. Still feel we can turn this around though with all of us pulling together, come on you saints!!!!
There is a saying in football that you defend from the front!!! I cannot blame all of our problems on the defence although I have to say they do not talk enough, there is no leader in the back line organising. In the midfield we are not nasty enough, we need to be stronger, our passing in midfield is either back or sideways and part of the reason for this is a lack of movement upfront. Against WBA we were bullied off the ball Lallana, Spider and Davis looked lightweight. IMO I have never been that impressed with Spider, he promises much but delivers very little. Once Cork is fit he comes straight in for me to help protect the back four, JRod and Lallana need to get in the gym and beef up they were getting blown off the ball the other night. Still feel we can turn this around though with all of us pulling together, come on you saints!!!! teamster
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9:42am Thu 8 Nov 12

St Retford says...

SaintMax wrote:
St Retford wrote:
I think the defence was much, much better against West Brom. No one would have stopped their second and the first was a deflection which should have been ruled out for handball in any event. Other than that I think Gazza only made one save.

I think the whole team is being set up to focus more on defence, which is why I don't think we created as much going forward. We'll get there.
I think we got away with ball retention in the championship, then picked our own time to score, and so the team were set up to attack.
In this league the format has been found out as we are not good enough to keep the ball, and not quick enough to respond to a counter-attack.
So we defo need to learn to park the bus.
I agree actually. I think we could get away with losing the ball a lot more in the Championship as most teams didn't have a strike force clinical enough to punish us. I think our passing needs to get 10% more precise and then we're in business. Hopefully Gaston will get up to speed very quickly in this department as his fitness improves.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: I think the defence was much, much better against West Brom. No one would have stopped their second and the first was a deflection which should have been ruled out for handball in any event. Other than that I think Gazza only made one save. I think the whole team is being set up to focus more on defence, which is why I don't think we created as much going forward. We'll get there.[/p][/quote]I think we got away with ball retention in the championship, then picked our own time to score, and so the team were set up to attack. In this league the format has been found out as we are not good enough to keep the ball, and not quick enough to respond to a counter-attack. So we defo need to learn to park the bus.[/p][/quote]I agree actually. I think we could get away with losing the ball a lot more in the Championship as most teams didn't have a strike force clinical enough to punish us. I think our passing needs to get 10% more precise and then we're in business. Hopefully Gaston will get up to speed very quickly in this department as his fitness improves. St Retford
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9:42am Thu 8 Nov 12

Puddletown Saint says...

Good debte today guys

Consistant back five

Gazza Nath Jose Yos Shaw

Bite and energy in midfield

Cork JWP

Flair on the flanks

Adam and Punch

Goals up front

Gaston and Rickie

Subs

Davis Reeves Jos Spider Jay Makuya and Seagar
Good debte today guys Consistant back five Gazza Nath Jose Yos Shaw Bite and energy in midfield Cork JWP Flair on the flanks Adam and Punch Goals up front Gaston and Rickie Subs Davis Reeves Jos Spider Jay Makuya and Seagar Puddletown Saint
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9:43am Thu 8 Nov 12

Confucious says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
Made up story by the DE because they don't have anything else to say.

Clearly posted to try to provoke debate from which rumours spring.
I think that's very unfair. I was dreading an article this morning headlined: "Adkins gives up on shocking defence" - so this story is both big and good news and quite a relief to me.

Too many newspapers concentrate on things that have happened and completely fail to mention all the very important things that haven't happened.

I produce a "shadow version" of the Echo in my mind every morning and, apart from the Adkins refusing to give up scoop, my main stories today are.....

* Cortese doesn't run off with Adkins wife and all Saints money

* Ramirez not killed by piranhas in bath

* Hooiveld not having sex change op

* St Marys escapes demolition by earthquake which didn't happen.

* Lallana not going to "Time Travel" seminar now re-scheduled for last week

* F@rts not to be banned in Kingsland unless wet
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: Made up story by the DE because they don't have anything else to say. Clearly posted to try to provoke debate from which rumours spring.[/p][/quote]I think that's very unfair. I was dreading an article this morning headlined: "Adkins gives up on shocking defence" - so this story is both big and good news and quite a relief to me. Too many newspapers concentrate on things that have happened and completely fail to mention all the very important things that haven't happened. I produce a "shadow version" of the Echo in my mind every morning and, apart from the Adkins refusing to give up scoop, my main stories today are..... * Cortese doesn't run off with Adkins wife and all Saints money * Ramirez not killed by piranhas in bath * Hooiveld not having sex change op * St Marys escapes demolition by earthquake which didn't happen. * Lallana not going to "Time Travel" seminar now re-scheduled for last week * F@rts not to be banned in Kingsland unless wet Confucious
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9:43am Thu 8 Nov 12

alan.of.eastleigh says...

White and red till dead wrote:
And therein lies the problem...
Not really, when you look at other teams playing you notice how much more support they get rom midfield. That said, it's more about (lack of) confidence tan quality of players IMO
[quote][p][bold]White and red till dead[/bold] wrote: And therein lies the problem...[/p][/quote]Not really, when you look at other teams playing you notice how much more support they get rom midfield. That said, it's more about (lack of) confidence tan quality of players IMO alan.of.eastleigh
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9:50am Thu 8 Nov 12

kent141 says...

Confucious wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
Made up story by the DE because they don't have anything else to say.

Clearly posted to try to provoke debate from which rumours spring.
I think that's very unfair. I was dreading an article this morning headlined: "Adkins gives up on shocking defence" - so this story is both big and good news and quite a relief to me.

Too many newspapers concentrate on things that have happened and completely fail to mention all the very important things that haven't happened.

I produce a "shadow version" of the Echo in my mind every morning and, apart from the Adkins refusing to give up scoop, my main stories today are.....

* Cortese doesn't run off with Adkins wife and all Saints money

* Ramirez not killed by piranhas in bath

* Hooiveld not having sex change op

* St Marys escapes demolition by earthquake which didn't happen.

* Lallana not going to "Time Travel" seminar now re-scheduled for last week

* F@rts not to be banned in Kingsland unless wet
idiot.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: Made up story by the DE because they don't have anything else to say. Clearly posted to try to provoke debate from which rumours spring.[/p][/quote]I think that's very unfair. I was dreading an article this morning headlined: "Adkins gives up on shocking defence" - so this story is both big and good news and quite a relief to me. Too many newspapers concentrate on things that have happened and completely fail to mention all the very important things that haven't happened. I produce a "shadow version" of the Echo in my mind every morning and, apart from the Adkins refusing to give up scoop, my main stories today are..... * Cortese doesn't run off with Adkins wife and all Saints money * Ramirez not killed by piranhas in bath * Hooiveld not having sex change op * St Marys escapes demolition by earthquake which didn't happen. * Lallana not going to "Time Travel" seminar now re-scheduled for last week * F@rts not to be banned in Kingsland unless wet[/p][/quote]idiot. kent141
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9:54am Thu 8 Nov 12

St Retford says...

Puddletown Saint wrote:
Good debte today guys

Consistant back five

Gazza Nath Jose Yos Shaw

Bite and energy in midfield

Cork JWP

Flair on the flanks

Adam and Punch

Goals up front

Gaston and Rickie

Subs

Davis Reeves Jos Spider Jay Makuya and Seagar
Decent.
[quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Good debte today guys Consistant back five Gazza Nath Jose Yos Shaw Bite and energy in midfield Cork JWP Flair on the flanks Adam and Punch Goals up front Gaston and Rickie Subs Davis Reeves Jos Spider Jay Makuya and Seagar[/p][/quote]Decent. St Retford
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9:56am Thu 8 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

St Retford wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
St Retford wrote:
I think the defence was much, much better against West Brom. No one would have stopped their second and the first was a deflection which should have been ruled out for handball in any event. Other than that I think Gazza only made one save.

I think the whole team is being set up to focus more on defence, which is why I don't think we created as much going forward. We'll get there.
I think we got away with ball retention in the championship, then picked our own time to score, and so the team were set up to attack.
In this league the format has been found out as we are not good enough to keep the ball, and not quick enough to respond to a counter-attack.
So we defo need to learn to park the bus.
I agree actually. I think we could get away with losing the ball a lot more in the Championship as most teams didn't have a strike force clinical enough to punish us. I think our passing needs to get 10% more precise and then we're in business. Hopefully Gaston will get up to speed very quickly in this department as his fitness improves.
Gaston will be a relevation I think as long we we can set the team up around him and have two midfield biters/ball winners to break down the opposition and hold the middle of the park.
It can only get better..!
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: I think the defence was much, much better against West Brom. No one would have stopped their second and the first was a deflection which should have been ruled out for handball in any event. Other than that I think Gazza only made one save. I think the whole team is being set up to focus more on defence, which is why I don't think we created as much going forward. We'll get there.[/p][/quote]I think we got away with ball retention in the championship, then picked our own time to score, and so the team were set up to attack. In this league the format has been found out as we are not good enough to keep the ball, and not quick enough to respond to a counter-attack. So we defo need to learn to park the bus.[/p][/quote]I agree actually. I think we could get away with losing the ball a lot more in the Championship as most teams didn't have a strike force clinical enough to punish us. I think our passing needs to get 10% more precise and then we're in business. Hopefully Gaston will get up to speed very quickly in this department as his fitness improves.[/p][/quote]Gaston will be a relevation I think as long we we can set the team up around him and have two midfield biters/ball winners to break down the opposition and hold the middle of the park. It can only get better..! SaintMax
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10:05am Thu 8 Nov 12

MGRA says...

kent141 wrote:
The orange faced Adkins loses a bit more of the plot everyday, but can still do no wrong with the happy clappers .
not sure why you think he is orange just because of one polarised photo taken by a sports photographer !? I saw him recently and he is not orange !? Also I think you will find the "happy clappers" as you call them know full well that he can do wrong, but just do not see the point of banging on about it all the time. No one who knows anything more than the tiniest bit about football would admit that the last game was a tactical disaster from start to finish. BUT..... the realism is hitting home for supporters and manager alike that the wrong players were let go / brought in and we have what we have until Jan and just need to get on with it. Ditching NA will achieve nothing and if he can pull it around before Jan and keep his job and we stay up , even if its 17th then its job done. You just repeating the same thing time and time again is not making you super-credible.
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: The orange faced Adkins loses a bit more of the plot everyday, but can still do no wrong with the happy clappers .[/p][/quote]not sure why you think he is orange just because of one polarised photo taken by a sports photographer !? I saw him recently and he is not orange !? Also I think you will find the "happy clappers" as you call them know full well that he can do wrong, but just do not see the point of banging on about it all the time. No one who knows anything more than the tiniest bit about football would admit that the last game was a tactical disaster from start to finish. BUT..... the realism is hitting home for supporters and manager alike that the wrong players were let go / brought in and we have what we have until Jan and just need to get on with it. Ditching NA will achieve nothing and if he can pull it around before Jan and keep his job and we stay up , even if its 17th then its job done. You just repeating the same thing time and time again is not making you super-credible. MGRA
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10:05am Thu 8 Nov 12

MGRA says...

kent141 wrote:
The orange faced Adkins loses a bit more of the plot everyday, but can still do no wrong with the happy clappers .
not sure why you think he is orange just because of one polarised photo taken by a sports photographer !? I saw him recently and he is not orange !? Also I think you will find the "happy clappers" as you call them know full well that he can do wrong, but just do not see the point of banging on about it all the time. No one who knows anything more than the tiniest bit about football would admit that the last game was a tactical disaster from start to finish. BUT..... the realism is hitting home for supporters and manager alike that the wrong players were let go / brought in and we have what we have until Jan and just need to get on with it. Ditching NA will achieve nothing and if he can pull it around before Jan and keep his job and we stay up , even if its 17th then its job done. You just repeating the same thing time and time again is not making you super-credible.
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: The orange faced Adkins loses a bit more of the plot everyday, but can still do no wrong with the happy clappers .[/p][/quote]not sure why you think he is orange just because of one polarised photo taken by a sports photographer !? I saw him recently and he is not orange !? Also I think you will find the "happy clappers" as you call them know full well that he can do wrong, but just do not see the point of banging on about it all the time. No one who knows anything more than the tiniest bit about football would admit that the last game was a tactical disaster from start to finish. BUT..... the realism is hitting home for supporters and manager alike that the wrong players were let go / brought in and we have what we have until Jan and just need to get on with it. Ditching NA will achieve nothing and if he can pull it around before Jan and keep his job and we stay up , even if its 17th then its job done. You just repeating the same thing time and time again is not making you super-credible. MGRA
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10:08am Thu 8 Nov 12

MGRA says...

SaintMax wrote:
St Retford wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
St Retford wrote:
I think the defence was much, much better against West Brom. No one would have stopped their second and the first was a deflection which should have been ruled out for handball in any event. Other than that I think Gazza only made one save.

I think the whole team is being set up to focus more on defence, which is why I don't think we created as much going forward. We'll get there.
I think we got away with ball retention in the championship, then picked our own time to score, and so the team were set up to attack.
In this league the format has been found out as we are not good enough to keep the ball, and not quick enough to respond to a counter-attack.
So we defo need to learn to park the bus.
I agree actually. I think we could get away with losing the ball a lot more in the Championship as most teams didn't have a strike force clinical enough to punish us. I think our passing needs to get 10% more precise and then we're in business. Hopefully Gaston will get up to speed very quickly in this department as his fitness improves.
Gaston will be a relevation I think as long we we can set the team up around him and have two midfield biters/ball winners to break down the opposition and hold the middle of the park.
It can only get better..!
Gaston will be indeed. The morons here who ridiculed me because he played on monday soon shut up when it was clear he was a million miles away from being ready. That injury causes nerve damage and he should have been rested properly and allowed to get back to match fitness/sharpness in the proper time frame.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: I think the defence was much, much better against West Brom. No one would have stopped their second and the first was a deflection which should have been ruled out for handball in any event. Other than that I think Gazza only made one save. I think the whole team is being set up to focus more on defence, which is why I don't think we created as much going forward. We'll get there.[/p][/quote]I think we got away with ball retention in the championship, then picked our own time to score, and so the team were set up to attack. In this league the format has been found out as we are not good enough to keep the ball, and not quick enough to respond to a counter-attack. So we defo need to learn to park the bus.[/p][/quote]I agree actually. I think we could get away with losing the ball a lot more in the Championship as most teams didn't have a strike force clinical enough to punish us. I think our passing needs to get 10% more precise and then we're in business. Hopefully Gaston will get up to speed very quickly in this department as his fitness improves.[/p][/quote]Gaston will be a relevation I think as long we we can set the team up around him and have two midfield biters/ball winners to break down the opposition and hold the middle of the park. It can only get better..![/p][/quote]Gaston will be indeed. The morons here who ridiculed me because he played on monday soon shut up when it was clear he was a million miles away from being ready. That injury causes nerve damage and he should have been rested properly and allowed to get back to match fitness/sharpness in the proper time frame. MGRA
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10:08am Thu 8 Nov 12

St Retford says...

MGRA wrote:
kent141 wrote:
The orange faced Adkins loses a bit more of the plot everyday, but can still do no wrong with the happy clappers .
not sure why you think he is orange just because of one polarised photo taken by a sports photographer !? I saw him recently and he is not orange !? Also I think you will find the "happy clappers" as you call them know full well that he can do wrong, but just do not see the point of banging on about it all the time. No one who knows anything more than the tiniest bit about football would admit that the last game was a tactical disaster from start to finish. BUT..... the realism is hitting home for supporters and manager alike that the wrong players were let go / brought in and we have what we have until Jan and just need to get on with it. Ditching NA will achieve nothing and if he can pull it around before Jan and keep his job and we stay up , even if its 17th then its job done. You just repeating the same thing time and time again is not making you super-credible.
Don't reply to the needy little pr1ck. We're TALKING FOOTBALL today. Did you not get the memo?
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: The orange faced Adkins loses a bit more of the plot everyday, but can still do no wrong with the happy clappers .[/p][/quote]not sure why you think he is orange just because of one polarised photo taken by a sports photographer !? I saw him recently and he is not orange !? Also I think you will find the "happy clappers" as you call them know full well that he can do wrong, but just do not see the point of banging on about it all the time. No one who knows anything more than the tiniest bit about football would admit that the last game was a tactical disaster from start to finish. BUT..... the realism is hitting home for supporters and manager alike that the wrong players were let go / brought in and we have what we have until Jan and just need to get on with it. Ditching NA will achieve nothing and if he can pull it around before Jan and keep his job and we stay up , even if its 17th then its job done. You just repeating the same thing time and time again is not making you super-credible.[/p][/quote]Don't reply to the needy little pr1ck. We're TALKING FOOTBALL today. Did you not get the memo? St Retford
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10:10am Thu 8 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

Defending starts with strikers,, if our centre forwards lose the ball they must track back, hassle and not allow the opposition defenders time on the ball, (most footballers are quite thick, if you give them time to think they will do something that hurts your team).

The midfield need to concentrate on supporting the defence not just the centre forwards, they must win the ball and play it simple but affectively, forwards or backwards, they must pick up players from set pieces better.

The back 4 need to stop worrying about making mistakes, (they look as nervous as a kitten) every time they receive the ball, also ''if in doubt give it a clout'' ,,,hoof it,,,clear your lines,,,whatever they want to call it JUST DO IT,,,the opposition won't score from their own penalty box or half.

The goalie needs to install confidence in the defenders around him, they need to know he will come off his line gather the ball a play it simple, he needs to dominate his box and shout at his defenders, there seems to a distinct lack communication, the defenders need to have the confidence to know where their goalie is and that he will play the ball forward simply without putting them under pressure, which happens with Boruc and Kelvin, the constant changing of goalies is a worry, Gazza looks the best of the three IMO, therefore stick with him.

Finally if it aint broke, DON'T fix it, the dodgey substitutions at key stages in the game need to stop, if we're winning don't change it to shore up the defence and sit back, teams will rip you apart.

If we like suggested it may not be the prettiest football in the world,
(but this league aint a beauty contest) but may might just get a result.

Rant Over
Defending starts with strikers,, if our centre forwards lose the ball they must track back, hassle and not allow the opposition defenders time on the ball, (most footballers are quite thick, if you give them time to think they will do something that hurts your team). The midfield need to concentrate on supporting the defence not just the centre forwards, they must win the ball and play it simple but affectively, forwards or backwards, they must pick up players from set pieces better. The back 4 need to stop worrying about making mistakes, (they look as nervous as a kitten) every time they receive the ball, also ''if in doubt give it a clout'' ,,,hoof it,,,clear your lines,,,whatever they want to call it JUST DO IT,,,the opposition won't score from their own penalty box or half. The goalie needs to install confidence in the defenders around him, they need to know he will come off his line gather the ball a play it simple, he needs to dominate his box and shout at his defenders, there seems to a distinct lack communication, the defenders need to have the confidence to know where their goalie is and that he will play the ball forward simply without putting them under pressure, which happens with Boruc and Kelvin, the constant changing of goalies is a worry, Gazza looks the best of the three IMO, therefore stick with him. Finally if it aint broke, DON'T fix it, the dodgey substitutions at key stages in the game need to stop, if we're winning don't change it to shore up the defence and sit back, teams will rip you apart. If we like suggested it may not be the prettiest football in the world, (but this league aint a beauty contest) but may might just get a result. Rant Over Over the Edge
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10:13am Thu 8 Nov 12

MGRA says...

St Retford wrote:
MGRA wrote:
kent141 wrote:
The orange faced Adkins loses a bit more of the plot everyday, but can still do no wrong with the happy clappers .
not sure why you think he is orange just because of one polarised photo taken by a sports photographer !? I saw him recently and he is not orange !? Also I think you will find the "happy clappers" as you call them know full well that he can do wrong, but just do not see the point of banging on about it all the time. No one who knows anything more than the tiniest bit about football would admit that the last game was a tactical disaster from start to finish. BUT..... the realism is hitting home for supporters and manager alike that the wrong players were let go / brought in and we have what we have until Jan and just need to get on with it. Ditching NA will achieve nothing and if he can pull it around before Jan and keep his job and we stay up , even if its 17th then its job done. You just repeating the same thing time and time again is not making you super-credible.
Don't reply to the needy little pr1ck. We're TALKING FOOTBALL today. Did you not get the memo?
F.A.B. :0)
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: The orange faced Adkins loses a bit more of the plot everyday, but can still do no wrong with the happy clappers .[/p][/quote]not sure why you think he is orange just because of one polarised photo taken by a sports photographer !? I saw him recently and he is not orange !? Also I think you will find the "happy clappers" as you call them know full well that he can do wrong, but just do not see the point of banging on about it all the time. No one who knows anything more than the tiniest bit about football would admit that the last game was a tactical disaster from start to finish. BUT..... the realism is hitting home for supporters and manager alike that the wrong players were let go / brought in and we have what we have until Jan and just need to get on with it. Ditching NA will achieve nothing and if he can pull it around before Jan and keep his job and we stay up , even if its 17th then its job done. You just repeating the same thing time and time again is not making you super-credible.[/p][/quote]Don't reply to the needy little pr1ck. We're TALKING FOOTBALL today. Did you not get the memo?[/p][/quote]F.A.B. :0) MGRA
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10:21am Thu 8 Nov 12

MGRA says...

Over the Edge wrote:
Defending starts with strikers,, if our centre forwards lose the ball they must track back, hassle and not allow the opposition defenders time on the ball, (most footballers are quite thick, if you give them time to think they will do something that hurts your team).

The midfield need to concentrate on supporting the defence not just the centre forwards, they must win the ball and play it simple but affectively, forwards or backwards, they must pick up players from set pieces better.

The back 4 need to stop worrying about making mistakes, (they look as nervous as a kitten) every time they receive the ball, also ''if in doubt give it a clout'' ,,,hoof it,,,clear your lines,,,whatever they want to call it JUST DO IT,,,the opposition won't score from their own penalty box or half.

The goalie needs to install confidence in the defenders around him, they need to know he will come off his line gather the ball a play it simple, he needs to dominate his box and shout at his defenders, there seems to a distinct lack communication, the defenders need to have the confidence to know where their goalie is and that he will play the ball forward simply without putting them under pressure, which happens with Boruc and Kelvin, the constant changing of goalies is a worry, Gazza looks the best of the three IMO, therefore stick with him.

Finally if it aint broke, DON'T fix it, the dodgey substitutions at key stages in the game need to stop, if we're winning don't change it to shore up the defence and sit back, teams will rip you apart.

If we like suggested it may not be the prettiest football in the world,
(but this league aint a beauty contest) but may might just get a result.

Rant Over
I don't subscribe to that way of playing in the Prem... I would play 4-2-3-1. Have a sole striker who does not run his guts out. Have two holding midfield players who play across the pitch together behind the midfield 3. This has to be the way forward.... Saints are not pacing themselves over 90 minutes and 4-2-3-1 would solve this. We have the players to play this and for me its the obvious answer.
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Defending starts with strikers,, if our centre forwards lose the ball they must track back, hassle and not allow the opposition defenders time on the ball, (most footballers are quite thick, if you give them time to think they will do something that hurts your team). The midfield need to concentrate on supporting the defence not just the centre forwards, they must win the ball and play it simple but affectively, forwards or backwards, they must pick up players from set pieces better. The back 4 need to stop worrying about making mistakes, (they look as nervous as a kitten) every time they receive the ball, also ''if in doubt give it a clout'' ,,,hoof it,,,clear your lines,,,whatever they want to call it JUST DO IT,,,the opposition won't score from their own penalty box or half. The goalie needs to install confidence in the defenders around him, they need to know he will come off his line gather the ball a play it simple, he needs to dominate his box and shout at his defenders, there seems to a distinct lack communication, the defenders need to have the confidence to know where their goalie is and that he will play the ball forward simply without putting them under pressure, which happens with Boruc and Kelvin, the constant changing of goalies is a worry, Gazza looks the best of the three IMO, therefore stick with him. Finally if it aint broke, DON'T fix it, the dodgey substitutions at key stages in the game need to stop, if we're winning don't change it to shore up the defence and sit back, teams will rip you apart. If we like suggested it may not be the prettiest football in the world, (but this league aint a beauty contest) but may might just get a result. Rant Over[/p][/quote]I don't subscribe to that way of playing in the Prem... I would play 4-2-3-1. Have a sole striker who does not run his guts out. Have two holding midfield players who play across the pitch together behind the midfield 3. This has to be the way forward.... Saints are not pacing themselves over 90 minutes and 4-2-3-1 would solve this. We have the players to play this and for me its the obvious answer. MGRA
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10:22am Thu 8 Nov 12

kent141 says...

St Retford wrote:
MGRA wrote:
kent141 wrote:
The orange faced Adkins loses a bit more of the plot everyday, but can still do no wrong with the happy clappers .
not sure why you think he is orange just because of one polarised photo taken by a sports photographer !? I saw him recently and he is not orange !? Also I think you will find the "happy clappers" as you call them know full well that he can do wrong, but just do not see the point of banging on about it all the time. No one who knows anything more than the tiniest bit about football would admit that the last game was a tactical disaster from start to finish. BUT..... the realism is hitting home for supporters and manager alike that the wrong players were let go / brought in and we have what we have until Jan and just need to get on with it. Ditching NA will achieve nothing and if he can pull it around before Jan and keep his job and we stay up , even if its 17th then its job done. You just repeating the same thing time and time again is not making you super-credible.
Don't reply to the needy little pr1ck. We're TALKING FOOTBALL today. Did you not get the memo?
oh dear, retfords his usual vile self.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: The orange faced Adkins loses a bit more of the plot everyday, but can still do no wrong with the happy clappers .[/p][/quote]not sure why you think he is orange just because of one polarised photo taken by a sports photographer !? I saw him recently and he is not orange !? Also I think you will find the "happy clappers" as you call them know full well that he can do wrong, but just do not see the point of banging on about it all the time. No one who knows anything more than the tiniest bit about football would admit that the last game was a tactical disaster from start to finish. BUT..... the realism is hitting home for supporters and manager alike that the wrong players were let go / brought in and we have what we have until Jan and just need to get on with it. Ditching NA will achieve nothing and if he can pull it around before Jan and keep his job and we stay up , even if its 17th then its job done. You just repeating the same thing time and time again is not making you super-credible.[/p][/quote]Don't reply to the needy little pr1ck. We're TALKING FOOTBALL today. Did you not get the memo?[/p][/quote]oh dear, retfords his usual vile self. kent141
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10:32am Thu 8 Nov 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
It is said that the squad are being taken away somewhere for two days, presumably on a team building exercise, hopefully nothing risky but also not too cushy. I have visions of Rambo copping a paintball in the eye, or Lambo crashing into a wall on an Army obstacle course.
Jesus I hope Guly doesnt give anyone else a dead leg.
Pointless post blasphemy and a quote that has no credence whatsoever, yellow card for you.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: It is said that the squad are being taken away somewhere for two days, presumably on a team building exercise, hopefully nothing risky but also not too cushy. I have visions of Rambo copping a paintball in the eye, or Lambo crashing into a wall on an Army obstacle course.[/p][/quote]Jesus I hope Guly doesnt give anyone else a dead leg.[/p][/quote]Pointless post blasphemy and a quote that has no credence whatsoever, yellow card for you. OSPREYSAINT
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10:34am Thu 8 Nov 12

Lehman Bros Banker says...

What a carry on. Saints firm favourites 1/2 for relegation and Adkins 1/3 for the sack (BetVictor odds). Cortese will have given Adkins just one chance to get 3 points against Swansea, or the dirty stuff will hit the fan. Saints are already breaking records for all the wrong reasons. We certainly don't want to be challenging Derby County for the lowest points ever in the Premier. Get it sorted on Saturday. COYR
What a carry on. Saints firm favourites 1/2 for relegation and Adkins 1/3 for the sack (BetVictor odds). Cortese will have given Adkins just one chance to get 3 points against Swansea, or the dirty stuff will hit the fan. Saints are already breaking records for all the wrong reasons. We certainly don't want to be challenging Derby County for the lowest points ever in the Premier. Get it sorted on Saturday. COYR Lehman Bros Banker
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10:36am Thu 8 Nov 12

CB FRY LIVES says...

costa gaz wrote:
I think the return of Cork will make a difference.
Some one to protect the back four.
Also Fox is exposed far too much and needs some help from our left sided midfielder, Lallana is just not doing this right now.
The Adkins way of we will score more goals than you, worked in the lower leagues. Time for a re-think Nige.
i hope you are right.however like RAMIREZ and TAD. LEE,Jack will need time to get 100 per cent match fit.He missed most of pre-season because he was in the olympic squad.then picked up a bad knock in a friendly.We need all our players back to full match fitness as soon as possible.LEE looked off the pace against LEEDS and RAMIREZ ran out of puff early in the 2nd half v WBA.Still i am expecting them all to come good and all to feature in a WIN for us v The Swans. COYR
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: I think the return of Cork will make a difference. Some one to protect the back four. Also Fox is exposed far too much and needs some help from our left sided midfielder, Lallana is just not doing this right now. The Adkins way of we will score more goals than you, worked in the lower leagues. Time for a re-think Nige.[/p][/quote]i hope you are right.however like RAMIREZ and TAD. LEE,Jack will need time to get 100 per cent match fit.He missed most of pre-season because he was in the olympic squad.then picked up a bad knock in a friendly.We need all our players back to full match fitness as soon as possible.LEE looked off the pace against LEEDS and RAMIREZ ran out of puff early in the 2nd half v WBA.Still i am expecting them all to come good and all to feature in a WIN for us v The Swans. COYR CB FRY LIVES
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10:38am Thu 8 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
It is said that the squad are being taken away somewhere for two days, presumably on a team building exercise, hopefully nothing risky but also not too cushy. I have visions of Rambo copping a paintball in the eye, or Lambo crashing into a wall on an Army obstacle course.
Jesus I hope Guly doesnt give anyone else a dead leg.
Pointless post blasphemy and a quote that has no credence whatsoever, yellow card for you.
sorry - Iove Guly and he would be the first on my team sheet week in, week out.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: It is said that the squad are being taken away somewhere for two days, presumably on a team building exercise, hopefully nothing risky but also not too cushy. I have visions of Rambo copping a paintball in the eye, or Lambo crashing into a wall on an Army obstacle course.[/p][/quote]Jesus I hope Guly doesnt give anyone else a dead leg.[/p][/quote]Pointless post blasphemy and a quote that has no credence whatsoever, yellow card for you.[/p][/quote]sorry - Iove Guly and he would be the first on my team sheet week in, week out. SaintMax
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10:40am Thu 8 Nov 12

St Retford says...

MGRA wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
Defending starts with strikers,, if our centre forwards lose the ball they must track back, hassle and not allow the opposition defenders time on the ball, (most footballers are quite thick, if you give them time to think they will do something that hurts your team).

The midfield need to concentrate on supporting the defence not just the centre forwards, they must win the ball and play it simple but affectively, forwards or backwards, they must pick up players from set pieces better.

The back 4 need to stop worrying about making mistakes, (they look as nervous as a kitten) every time they receive the ball, also ''if in doubt give it a clout'' ,,,hoof it,,,clear your lines,,,whatever they want to call it JUST DO IT,,,the opposition won't score from their own penalty box or half.

The goalie needs to install confidence in the defenders around him, they need to know he will come off his line gather the ball a play it simple, he needs to dominate his box and shout at his defenders, there seems to a distinct lack communication, the defenders need to have the confidence to know where their goalie is and that he will play the ball forward simply without putting them under pressure, which happens with Boruc and Kelvin, the constant changing of goalies is a worry, Gazza looks the best of the three IMO, therefore stick with him.

Finally if it aint broke, DON'T fix it, the dodgey substitutions at key stages in the game need to stop, if we're winning don't change it to shore up the defence and sit back, teams will rip you apart.

If we like suggested it may not be the prettiest football in the world,
(but this league aint a beauty contest) but may might just get a result.

Rant Over
I don't subscribe to that way of playing in the Prem... I would play 4-2-3-1. Have a sole striker who does not run his guts out. Have two holding midfield players who play across the pitch together behind the midfield 3. This has to be the way forward.... Saints are not pacing themselves over 90 minutes and 4-2-3-1 would solve this. We have the players to play this and for me its the obvious answer.
I sort of agree. I think even if we wanted to (which I don't) we couldn't turn ourselves into a Stoke or a West Ham or one of these teams that is really hard to break down and wins ugly games of football through attrition.

I think we have to play to our strengths and make teams scared of our threat going forward. I want them afraid to commit men forward because they know they'll likely be punished for it. Man United have been patching up a dodgy defence like this for years. We just need to start zipping it around with confidence and the quality we've got up front will start to tell.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Defending starts with strikers,, if our centre forwards lose the ball they must track back, hassle and not allow the opposition defenders time on the ball, (most footballers are quite thick, if you give them time to think they will do something that hurts your team). The midfield need to concentrate on supporting the defence not just the centre forwards, they must win the ball and play it simple but affectively, forwards or backwards, they must pick up players from set pieces better. The back 4 need to stop worrying about making mistakes, (they look as nervous as a kitten) every time they receive the ball, also ''if in doubt give it a clout'' ,,,hoof it,,,clear your lines,,,whatever they want to call it JUST DO IT,,,the opposition won't score from their own penalty box or half. The goalie needs to install confidence in the defenders around him, they need to know he will come off his line gather the ball a play it simple, he needs to dominate his box and shout at his defenders, there seems to a distinct lack communication, the defenders need to have the confidence to know where their goalie is and that he will play the ball forward simply without putting them under pressure, which happens with Boruc and Kelvin, the constant changing of goalies is a worry, Gazza looks the best of the three IMO, therefore stick with him. Finally if it aint broke, DON'T fix it, the dodgey substitutions at key stages in the game need to stop, if we're winning don't change it to shore up the defence and sit back, teams will rip you apart. If we like suggested it may not be the prettiest football in the world, (but this league aint a beauty contest) but may might just get a result. Rant Over[/p][/quote]I don't subscribe to that way of playing in the Prem... I would play 4-2-3-1. Have a sole striker who does not run his guts out. Have two holding midfield players who play across the pitch together behind the midfield 3. This has to be the way forward.... Saints are not pacing themselves over 90 minutes and 4-2-3-1 would solve this. We have the players to play this and for me its the obvious answer.[/p][/quote]I sort of agree. I think even if we wanted to (which I don't) we couldn't turn ourselves into a Stoke or a West Ham or one of these teams that is really hard to break down and wins ugly games of football through attrition. I think we have to play to our strengths and make teams scared of our threat going forward. I want them afraid to commit men forward because they know they'll likely be punished for it. Man United have been patching up a dodgy defence like this for years. We just need to start zipping it around with confidence and the quality we've got up front will start to tell. St Retford
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10:40am Thu 8 Nov 12

Confucious says...

Nigel and I have opted for 4-4-2 to achieve optimum balance through the middle, provide cover for every player and give maximum flexibility for both possession and counter attacking.
Nigel and I have opted for 4-4-2 to achieve optimum balance through the middle, provide cover for every player and give maximum flexibility for both possession and counter attacking. Confucious
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10:44am Thu 8 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

St Retford wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
Defending starts with strikers,, if our centre forwards lose the ball they must track back, hassle and not allow the opposition defenders time on the ball, (most footballers are quite thick, if you give them time to think they will do something that hurts your team).

The midfield need to concentrate on supporting the defence not just the centre forwards, they must win the ball and play it simple but affectively, forwards or backwards, they must pick up players from set pieces better.

The back 4 need to stop worrying about making mistakes, (they look as nervous as a kitten) every time they receive the ball, also ''if in doubt give it a clout'' ,,,hoof it,,,clear your lines,,,whatever they want to call it JUST DO IT,,,the opposition won't score from their own penalty box or half.

The goalie needs to install confidence in the defenders around him, they need to know he will come off his line gather the ball a play it simple, he needs to dominate his box and shout at his defenders, there seems to a distinct lack communication, the defenders need to have the confidence to know where their goalie is and that he will play the ball forward simply without putting them under pressure, which happens with Boruc and Kelvin, the constant changing of goalies is a worry, Gazza looks the best of the three IMO, therefore stick with him.

Finally if it aint broke, DON'T fix it, the dodgey substitutions at key stages in the game need to stop, if we're winning don't change it to shore up the defence and sit back, teams will rip you apart.

If we like suggested it may not be the prettiest football in the world,
(but this league aint a beauty contest) but may might just get a result.

Rant Over
I don't subscribe to that way of playing in the Prem... I would play 4-2-3-1. Have a sole striker who does not run his guts out. Have two holding midfield players who play across the pitch together behind the midfield 3. This has to be the way forward.... Saints are not pacing themselves over 90 minutes and 4-2-3-1 would solve this. We have the players to play this and for me its the obvious answer.
I sort of agree. I think even if we wanted to (which I don't) we couldn't turn ourselves into a Stoke or a West Ham or one of these teams that is really hard to break down and wins ugly games of football through attrition.

I think we have to play to our strengths and make teams scared of our threat going forward. I want them afraid to commit men forward because they know they'll likely be punished for it. Man United have been patching up a dodgy defence like this for years. We just need to start zipping it around with confidence and the quality we've got up front will start to tell.
I would take 'win ugly' right now over pure football. Forget Barca, make us that annoying Liverpool team in the last 4 of the European cup
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Defending starts with strikers,, if our centre forwards lose the ball they must track back, hassle and not allow the opposition defenders time on the ball, (most footballers are quite thick, if you give them time to think they will do something that hurts your team). The midfield need to concentrate on supporting the defence not just the centre forwards, they must win the ball and play it simple but affectively, forwards or backwards, they must pick up players from set pieces better. The back 4 need to stop worrying about making mistakes, (they look as nervous as a kitten) every time they receive the ball, also ''if in doubt give it a clout'' ,,,hoof it,,,clear your lines,,,whatever they want to call it JUST DO IT,,,the opposition won't score from their own penalty box or half. The goalie needs to install confidence in the defenders around him, they need to know he will come off his line gather the ball a play it simple, he needs to dominate his box and shout at his defenders, there seems to a distinct lack communication, the defenders need to have the confidence to know where their goalie is and that he will play the ball forward simply without putting them under pressure, which happens with Boruc and Kelvin, the constant changing of goalies is a worry, Gazza looks the best of the three IMO, therefore stick with him. Finally if it aint broke, DON'T fix it, the dodgey substitutions at key stages in the game need to stop, if we're winning don't change it to shore up the defence and sit back, teams will rip you apart. If we like suggested it may not be the prettiest football in the world, (but this league aint a beauty contest) but may might just get a result. Rant Over[/p][/quote]I don't subscribe to that way of playing in the Prem... I would play 4-2-3-1. Have a sole striker who does not run his guts out. Have two holding midfield players who play across the pitch together behind the midfield 3. This has to be the way forward.... Saints are not pacing themselves over 90 minutes and 4-2-3-1 would solve this. We have the players to play this and for me its the obvious answer.[/p][/quote]I sort of agree. I think even if we wanted to (which I don't) we couldn't turn ourselves into a Stoke or a West Ham or one of these teams that is really hard to break down and wins ugly games of football through attrition. I think we have to play to our strengths and make teams scared of our threat going forward. I want them afraid to commit men forward because they know they'll likely be punished for it. Man United have been patching up a dodgy defence like this for years. We just need to start zipping it around with confidence and the quality we've got up front will start to tell.[/p][/quote]I would take 'win ugly' right now over pure football. Forget Barca, make us that annoying Liverpool team in the last 4 of the European cup SaintMax
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10:44am Thu 8 Nov 12

St Retford says...

SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
It is said that the squad are being taken away somewhere for two days, presumably on a team building exercise, hopefully nothing risky but also not too cushy. I have visions of Rambo copping a paintball in the eye, or Lambo crashing into a wall on an Army obstacle course.
Jesus I hope Guly doesnt give anyone else a dead leg.
Pointless post blasphemy and a quote that has no credence whatsoever, yellow card for you.
sorry - Iove Guly and he would be the first on my team sheet week in, week out.
I was shouting for Guly to come on on Monday night. I thought the side was crying out for someone like him to get hold of the ball in the midfield.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: It is said that the squad are being taken away somewhere for two days, presumably on a team building exercise, hopefully nothing risky but also not too cushy. I have visions of Rambo copping a paintball in the eye, or Lambo crashing into a wall on an Army obstacle course.[/p][/quote]Jesus I hope Guly doesnt give anyone else a dead leg.[/p][/quote]Pointless post blasphemy and a quote that has no credence whatsoever, yellow card for you.[/p][/quote]sorry - Iove Guly and he would be the first on my team sheet week in, week out.[/p][/quote]I was shouting for Guly to come on on Monday night. I thought the side was crying out for someone like him to get hold of the ball in the midfield. St Retford
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10:49am Thu 8 Nov 12

St Retford says...

SaintMax wrote:
St Retford wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
Defending starts with strikers,, if our centre forwards lose the ball they must track back, hassle and not allow the opposition defenders time on the ball, (most footballers are quite thick, if you give them time to think they will do something that hurts your team).

The midfield need to concentrate on supporting the defence not just the centre forwards, they must win the ball and play it simple but affectively, forwards or backwards, they must pick up players from set pieces better.

The back 4 need to stop worrying about making mistakes, (they look as nervous as a kitten) every time they receive the ball, also ''if in doubt give it a clout'' ,,,hoof it,,,clear your lines,,,whatever they want to call it JUST DO IT,,,the opposition won't score from their own penalty box or half.

The goalie needs to install confidence in the defenders around him, they need to know he will come off his line gather the ball a play it simple, he needs to dominate his box and shout at his defenders, there seems to a distinct lack communication, the defenders need to have the confidence to know where their goalie is and that he will play the ball forward simply without putting them under pressure, which happens with Boruc and Kelvin, the constant changing of goalies is a worry, Gazza looks the best of the three IMO, therefore stick with him.

Finally if it aint broke, DON'T fix it, the dodgey substitutions at key stages in the game need to stop, if we're winning don't change it to shore up the defence and sit back, teams will rip you apart.

If we like suggested it may not be the prettiest football in the world,
(but this league aint a beauty contest) but may might just get a result.

Rant Over
I don't subscribe to that way of playing in the Prem... I would play 4-2-3-1. Have a sole striker who does not run his guts out. Have two holding midfield players who play across the pitch together behind the midfield 3. This has to be the way forward.... Saints are not pacing themselves over 90 minutes and 4-2-3-1 would solve this. We have the players to play this and for me its the obvious answer.
I sort of agree. I think even if we wanted to (which I don't) we couldn't turn ourselves into a Stoke or a West Ham or one of these teams that is really hard to break down and wins ugly games of football through attrition.

I think we have to play to our strengths and make teams scared of our threat going forward. I want them afraid to commit men forward because they know they'll likely be punished for it. Man United have been patching up a dodgy defence like this for years. We just need to start zipping it around with confidence and the quality we've got up front will start to tell.
I would take 'win ugly' right now over pure football. Forget Barca, make us that annoying Liverpool team in the last 4 of the European cup
I'd take three points however they came, but I don't know if winning ugly can ever be our thing with the current group of players. We don't do parking the bus or sending it route one - we play football. It'll come good at some point.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Defending starts with strikers,, if our centre forwards lose the ball they must track back, hassle and not allow the opposition defenders time on the ball, (most footballers are quite thick, if you give them time to think they will do something that hurts your team). The midfield need to concentrate on supporting the defence not just the centre forwards, they must win the ball and play it simple but affectively, forwards or backwards, they must pick up players from set pieces better. The back 4 need to stop worrying about making mistakes, (they look as nervous as a kitten) every time they receive the ball, also ''if in doubt give it a clout'' ,,,hoof it,,,clear your lines,,,whatever they want to call it JUST DO IT,,,the opposition won't score from their own penalty box or half. The goalie needs to install confidence in the defenders around him, they need to know he will come off his line gather the ball a play it simple, he needs to dominate his box and shout at his defenders, there seems to a distinct lack communication, the defenders need to have the confidence to know where their goalie is and that he will play the ball forward simply without putting them under pressure, which happens with Boruc and Kelvin, the constant changing of goalies is a worry, Gazza looks the best of the three IMO, therefore stick with him. Finally if it aint broke, DON'T fix it, the dodgey substitutions at key stages in the game need to stop, if we're winning don't change it to shore up the defence and sit back, teams will rip you apart. If we like suggested it may not be the prettiest football in the world, (but this league aint a beauty contest) but may might just get a result. Rant Over[/p][/quote]I don't subscribe to that way of playing in the Prem... I would play 4-2-3-1. Have a sole striker who does not run his guts out. Have two holding midfield players who play across the pitch together behind the midfield 3. This has to be the way forward.... Saints are not pacing themselves over 90 minutes and 4-2-3-1 would solve this. We have the players to play this and for me its the obvious answer.[/p][/quote]I sort of agree. I think even if we wanted to (which I don't) we couldn't turn ourselves into a Stoke or a West Ham or one of these teams that is really hard to break down and wins ugly games of football through attrition. I think we have to play to our strengths and make teams scared of our threat going forward. I want them afraid to commit men forward because they know they'll likely be punished for it. Man United have been patching up a dodgy defence like this for years. We just need to start zipping it around with confidence and the quality we've got up front will start to tell.[/p][/quote]I would take 'win ugly' right now over pure football. Forget Barca, make us that annoying Liverpool team in the last 4 of the European cup[/p][/quote]I'd take three points however they came, but I don't know if winning ugly can ever be our thing with the current group of players. We don't do parking the bus or sending it route one - we play football. It'll come good at some point. St Retford
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10:56am Thu 8 Nov 12

up saints says...

agree with above posts shaw jwp punch start.most games are won or lost in midfield.
agree with above posts shaw jwp punch start.most games are won or lost in midfield. up saints
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10:57am Thu 8 Nov 12

kent141 says...

Lehman Bros Banker wrote:
What a carry on. Saints firm favourites 1/2 for relegation and Adkins 1/3 for the sack (BetVictor odds). Cortese will have given Adkins just one chance to get 3 points against Swansea, or the dirty stuff will hit the fan. Saints are already breaking records for all the wrong reasons. We certainly don't want to be challenging Derby County for the lowest points ever in the Premier. Get it sorted on Saturday. COYR
Obviously a skate.
[quote][p][bold]Lehman Bros Banker[/bold] wrote: What a carry on. Saints firm favourites 1/2 for relegation and Adkins 1/3 for the sack (BetVictor odds). Cortese will have given Adkins just one chance to get 3 points against Swansea, or the dirty stuff will hit the fan. Saints are already breaking records for all the wrong reasons. We certainly don't want to be challenging Derby County for the lowest points ever in the Premier. Get it sorted on Saturday. COYR[/p][/quote]Obviously a skate. kent141
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10:58am Thu 8 Nov 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
It is said that the squad are being taken away somewhere for two days, presumably on a team building exercise, hopefully nothing risky but also not too cushy. I have visions of Rambo copping a paintball in the eye, or Lambo crashing into a wall on an Army obstacle course.
Jesus I hope Guly doesnt give anyone else a dead leg.
Pointless post blasphemy and a quote that has no credence whatsoever, yellow card for you.
sorry - Iove Guly and he would be the first on my team sheet week in, week out.
Card rescinded
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: It is said that the squad are being taken away somewhere for two days, presumably on a team building exercise, hopefully nothing risky but also not too cushy. I have visions of Rambo copping a paintball in the eye, or Lambo crashing into a wall on an Army obstacle course.[/p][/quote]Jesus I hope Guly doesnt give anyone else a dead leg.[/p][/quote]Pointless post blasphemy and a quote that has no credence whatsoever, yellow card for you.[/p][/quote]sorry - Iove Guly and he would be the first on my team sheet week in, week out.[/p][/quote]Card rescinded OSPREYSAINT
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11:01am Thu 8 Nov 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

kent141 wrote:
The orange faced Adkins loses a bit more of the plot everyday, but can still do no wrong with the happy clappers .
Pointless post, repetitive, insulting,and probably incorrect, verbal caution.
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: The orange faced Adkins loses a bit more of the plot everyday, but can still do no wrong with the happy clappers .[/p][/quote]Pointless post, repetitive, insulting,and probably incorrect, verbal caution. OSPREYSAINT
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11:06am Thu 8 Nov 12

devonsaint2 says...

kent141

what a miserable person you are.

you are not a supporter, just a whinger.
kent141 what a miserable person you are. you are not a supporter, just a whinger. devonsaint2
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11:06am Thu 8 Nov 12

devonsaint2 says...

kent141

what a miserable person you are.

you are not a supporter, just a whinger.
kent141 what a miserable person you are. you are not a supporter, just a whinger. devonsaint2
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11:07am Thu 8 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
It is said that the squad are being taken away somewhere for two days, presumably on a team building exercise, hopefully nothing risky but also not too cushy. I have visions of Rambo copping a paintball in the eye, or Lambo crashing into a wall on an Army obstacle course.
Jesus I hope Guly doesnt give anyone else a dead leg.
Pointless post blasphemy and a quote that has no credence whatsoever, yellow card for you.
sorry - Iove Guly and he would be the first on my team sheet week in, week out.
Card rescinded
Oh crap, give me back the card, he needs a rocket up his ar se and is not the player we need to win and retain the ball in the middle of the park - bring back Jimmy Case!! (I once had Jimmy Case's peg in the home changing room as a young 17 year old playing in a hampshire senior cup...)
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: It is said that the squad are being taken away somewhere for two days, presumably on a team building exercise, hopefully nothing risky but also not too cushy. I have visions of Rambo copping a paintball in the eye, or Lambo crashing into a wall on an Army obstacle course.[/p][/quote]Jesus I hope Guly doesnt give anyone else a dead leg.[/p][/quote]Pointless post blasphemy and a quote that has no credence whatsoever, yellow card for you.[/p][/quote]sorry - Iove Guly and he would be the first on my team sheet week in, week out.[/p][/quote]Card rescinded[/p][/quote]Oh crap, give me back the card, he needs a rocket up his ar se and is not the player we need to win and retain the ball in the middle of the park - bring back Jimmy Case!! (I once had Jimmy Case's peg in the home changing room as a young 17 year old playing in a hampshire senior cup...) SaintMax
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11:10am Thu 8 Nov 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

kent141 wrote:
Lehman Bros Banker wrote:
What a carry on. Saints firm favourites 1/2 for relegation and Adkins 1/3 for the sack (BetVictor odds). Cortese will have given Adkins just one chance to get 3 points against Swansea, or the dirty stuff will hit the fan. Saints are already breaking records for all the wrong reasons. We certainly don't want to be challenging Derby County for the lowest points ever in the Premier. Get it sorted on Saturday. COYR
Obviously a skate.
Takes one to find one, is that it?
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lehman Bros Banker[/bold] wrote: What a carry on. Saints firm favourites 1/2 for relegation and Adkins 1/3 for the sack (BetVictor odds). Cortese will have given Adkins just one chance to get 3 points against Swansea, or the dirty stuff will hit the fan. Saints are already breaking records for all the wrong reasons. We certainly don't want to be challenging Derby County for the lowest points ever in the Premier. Get it sorted on Saturday. COYR[/p][/quote]Obviously a skate.[/p][/quote]Takes one to find one, is that it? OSPREYSAINT
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11:10am Thu 8 Nov 12

kent141 says...

devonsaint2 wrote:
kent141

what a miserable person you are.

you are not a supporter, just a whinger.
Well if your happy with things good for you.
[quote][p][bold]devonsaint2[/bold] wrote: kent141 what a miserable person you are. you are not a supporter, just a whinger.[/p][/quote]Well if your happy with things good for you. kent141
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11:12am Thu 8 Nov 12

up saints says...

SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
It is said that the squad are being taken away somewhere for two days, presumably on a team building exercise, hopefully nothing risky but also not too cushy. I have visions of Rambo copping a paintball in the eye, or Lambo crashing into a wall on an Army obstacle course.
Jesus I hope Guly doesnt give anyone else a dead leg.
Pointless post blasphemy and a quote that has no credence whatsoever, yellow card for you.
sorry - Iove Guly and he would be the first on my team sheet week in, week out.
Card rescinded
Oh crap, give me back the card, he needs a rocket up his ar se and is not the player we need to win and retain the ball in the middle of the park - bring back Jimmy Case!! (I once had Jimmy Case's peg in the home changing room as a young 17 year old playing in a hampshire senior cup...)
think i have lost the plot or missing something who's needs a rocket up his arse
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: It is said that the squad are being taken away somewhere for two days, presumably on a team building exercise, hopefully nothing risky but also not too cushy. I have visions of Rambo copping a paintball in the eye, or Lambo crashing into a wall on an Army obstacle course.[/p][/quote]Jesus I hope Guly doesnt give anyone else a dead leg.[/p][/quote]Pointless post blasphemy and a quote that has no credence whatsoever, yellow card for you.[/p][/quote]sorry - Iove Guly and he would be the first on my team sheet week in, week out.[/p][/quote]Card rescinded[/p][/quote]Oh crap, give me back the card, he needs a rocket up his ar se and is not the player we need to win and retain the ball in the middle of the park - bring back Jimmy Case!! (I once had Jimmy Case's peg in the home changing room as a young 17 year old playing in a hampshire senior cup...)[/p][/quote]think i have lost the plot or missing something who's needs a rocket up his arse up saints
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11:13am Thu 8 Nov 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Just watched Adkins on Skysports News, interesting what he said, blows Tebourbas theories into a cocked hat, he said he has a great relationship with NC and no such conversation about getting the push has happened yet, do you think he is telling fibs or just using a bit of spin to raise morale?
Just watched Adkins on Skysports News, interesting what he said, blows Tebourbas theories into a cocked hat, he said he has a great relationship with NC and no such conversation about getting the push has happened yet, do you think he is telling fibs or just using a bit of spin to raise morale? OSPREYSAINT
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11:15am Thu 8 Nov 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
It is said that the squad are being taken away somewhere for two days, presumably on a team building exercise, hopefully nothing risky but also not too cushy. I have visions of Rambo copping a paintball in the eye, or Lambo crashing into a wall on an Army obstacle course.
Jesus I hope Guly doesnt give anyone else a dead leg.
Pointless post blasphemy and a quote that has no credence whatsoever, yellow card for you.
sorry - Iove Guly and he would be the first on my team sheet week in, week out.
Card rescinded
Oh crap, give me back the card, he needs a rocket up his ar se and is not the player we need to win and retain the ball in the middle of the park - bring back Jimmy Case!! (I once had Jimmy Case's peg in the home changing room as a young 17 year old playing in a hampshire senior cup...)
Decision is final, what we could do with a Jimmy Case in the squad, hmmm!
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: It is said that the squad are being taken away somewhere for two days, presumably on a team building exercise, hopefully nothing risky but also not too cushy. I have visions of Rambo copping a paintball in the eye, or Lambo crashing into a wall on an Army obstacle course.[/p][/quote]Jesus I hope Guly doesnt give anyone else a dead leg.[/p][/quote]Pointless post blasphemy and a quote that has no credence whatsoever, yellow card for you.[/p][/quote]sorry - Iove Guly and he would be the first on my team sheet week in, week out.[/p][/quote]Card rescinded[/p][/quote]Oh crap, give me back the card, he needs a rocket up his ar se and is not the player we need to win and retain the ball in the middle of the park - bring back Jimmy Case!! (I once had Jimmy Case's peg in the home changing room as a young 17 year old playing in a hampshire senior cup...)[/p][/quote]Decision is final, what we could do with a Jimmy Case in the squad, hmmm! OSPREYSAINT
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11:15am Thu 8 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

up saints wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
It is said that the squad are being taken away somewhere for two days, presumably on a team building exercise, hopefully nothing risky but also not too cushy. I have visions of Rambo copping a paintball in the eye, or Lambo crashing into a wall on an Army obstacle course.
Jesus I hope Guly doesnt give anyone else a dead leg.
Pointless post blasphemy and a quote that has no credence whatsoever, yellow card for you.
sorry - Iove Guly and he would be the first on my team sheet week in, week out.
Card rescinded
Oh crap, give me back the card, he needs a rocket up his ar se and is not the player we need to win and retain the ball in the middle of the park - bring back Jimmy Case!! (I once had Jimmy Case's peg in the home changing room as a young 17 year old playing in a hampshire senior cup...)
think i have lost the plot or missing something who's needs a rocket up his arse
Jimmy Saville
[quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: It is said that the squad are being taken away somewhere for two days, presumably on a team building exercise, hopefully nothing risky but also not too cushy. I have visions of Rambo copping a paintball in the eye, or Lambo crashing into a wall on an Army obstacle course.[/p][/quote]Jesus I hope Guly doesnt give anyone else a dead leg.[/p][/quote]Pointless post blasphemy and a quote that has no credence whatsoever, yellow card for you.[/p][/quote]sorry - Iove Guly and he would be the first on my team sheet week in, week out.[/p][/quote]Card rescinded[/p][/quote]Oh crap, give me back the card, he needs a rocket up his ar se and is not the player we need to win and retain the ball in the middle of the park - bring back Jimmy Case!! (I once had Jimmy Case's peg in the home changing room as a young 17 year old playing in a hampshire senior cup...)[/p][/quote]think i have lost the plot or missing something who's needs a rocket up his arse[/p][/quote]Jimmy Saville SaintMax
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11:16am Thu 8 Nov 12

up saints says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Just watched Adkins on Skysports News, interesting what he said, blows Tebourbas theories into a cocked hat, he said he has a great relationship with NC and no such conversation about getting the push has happened yet, do you think he is telling fibs or just using a bit of spin to raise morale?
not seen the interview thinks it;s a case of watch this space
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Just watched Adkins on Skysports News, interesting what he said, blows Tebourbas theories into a cocked hat, he said he has a great relationship with NC and no such conversation about getting the push has happened yet, do you think he is telling fibs or just using a bit of spin to raise morale?[/p][/quote]not seen the interview thinks it;s a case of watch this space up saints
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11:17am Thu 8 Nov 12

St Retford says...

devonsaint2 wrote:
kent141

what a miserable person you are.

you are not a supporter, just a whinger.
He's a skunt with mental health problems. Ignore him and he'll go away.
[quote][p][bold]devonsaint2[/bold] wrote: kent141 what a miserable person you are. you are not a supporter, just a whinger.[/p][/quote]He's a skunt with mental health problems. Ignore him and he'll go away. St Retford
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11:18am Thu 8 Nov 12

St Retford says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Just watched Adkins on Skysports News, interesting what he said, blows Tebourbas theories into a cocked hat, he said he has a great relationship with NC and no such conversation about getting the push has happened yet, do you think he is telling fibs or just using a bit of spin to raise morale?
I think Teboura might be full of sh1t. I think he has a grievance with Nicola which he's not man enough to settle in person so he comes on here and spreads poison behind his back.

It's what I reckon, anyroad.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Just watched Adkins on Skysports News, interesting what he said, blows Tebourbas theories into a cocked hat, he said he has a great relationship with NC and no such conversation about getting the push has happened yet, do you think he is telling fibs or just using a bit of spin to raise morale?[/p][/quote]I think Teboura might be full of sh1t. I think he has a grievance with Nicola which he's not man enough to settle in person so he comes on here and spreads poison behind his back. It's what I reckon, anyroad. St Retford
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11:22am Thu 8 Nov 12

mrtein says...

When they say underfire - the only people Atkins is under fire from is the press. fans, playes and cortese have all stood by him.

the level of negativity from the echo is very sad. They could be inspirational. And its nothing to do with selling papers. i dont think a negative atkins article effects paper sales. Its their little fued with the club.

Mr McMurray - get behind the club or stop writing about it...
When they say underfire - the only people Atkins is under fire from is the press. fans, playes and cortese have all stood by him. the level of negativity from the echo is very sad. They could be inspirational. And its nothing to do with selling papers. i dont think a negative atkins article effects paper sales. Its their little fued with the club. Mr McMurray - get behind the club or stop writing about it... mrtein
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11:24am Thu 8 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

St Retford wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Just watched Adkins on Skysports News, interesting what he said, blows Tebourbas theories into a cocked hat, he said he has a great relationship with NC and no such conversation about getting the push has happened yet, do you think he is telling fibs or just using a bit of spin to raise morale?
I think Teboura might be full of sh1t. I think he has a grievance with Nicola which he's not man enough to settle in person so he comes on here and spreads poison behind his back.

It's what I reckon, anyroad.
I reckon NA's spin on a nuclear warhead hitting southampton would be a positive one. I'm not critising that, its just his demeanour which I actually like and I bet NC does too.
I bet with NC NA's pitch is what can WE do to get out of this mess, how can WE collectively improve then he doesnt isolate himself.
He is a clever guy, I sincerely hope we start winning as he will be a great manager one day.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Just watched Adkins on Skysports News, interesting what he said, blows Tebourbas theories into a cocked hat, he said he has a great relationship with NC and no such conversation about getting the push has happened yet, do you think he is telling fibs or just using a bit of spin to raise morale?[/p][/quote]I think Teboura might be full of sh1t. I think he has a grievance with Nicola which he's not man enough to settle in person so he comes on here and spreads poison behind his back. It's what I reckon, anyroad.[/p][/quote]I reckon NA's spin on a nuclear warhead hitting southampton would be a positive one. I'm not critising that, its just his demeanour which I actually like and I bet NC does too. I bet with NC NA's pitch is what can WE do to get out of this mess, how can WE collectively improve then he doesnt isolate himself. He is a clever guy, I sincerely hope we start winning as he will be a great manager one day. SaintMax
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11:27am Thu 8 Nov 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Watch http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/20
252051 || There is a new thread up and knut141 is already slagging NA off, this bloke really has a serious OCD problem.
Watch http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/20 252051 || There is a new thread up and knut141 is already slagging NA off, this bloke really has a serious OCD problem. OSPREYSAINT
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11:28am Thu 8 Nov 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

mrtein wrote:
When they say underfire - the only people Atkins is under fire from is the press. fans, playes and cortese have all stood by him.

the level of negativity from the echo is very sad. They could be inspirational. And its nothing to do with selling papers. i dont think a negative atkins article effects paper sales. Its their little fued with the club.

Mr McMurray - get behind the club or stop writing about it...
Atkins?
[quote][p][bold]mrtein[/bold] wrote: When they say underfire - the only people Atkins is under fire from is the press. fans, playes and cortese have all stood by him. the level of negativity from the echo is very sad. They could be inspirational. And its nothing to do with selling papers. i dont think a negative atkins article effects paper sales. Its their little fued with the club. Mr McMurray - get behind the club or stop writing about it...[/p][/quote]Atkins? OSPREYSAINT
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11:33am Thu 8 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

St Retford wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
St Retford wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
Defending starts with strikers,, if our centre forwards lose the ball they must track back, hassle and not allow the opposition defenders time on the ball, (most footballers are quite thick, if you give them time to think they will do something that hurts your team).

The midfield need to concentrate on supporting the defence not just the centre forwards, they must win the ball and play it simple but affectively, forwards or backwards, they must pick up players from set pieces better.

The back 4 need to stop worrying about making mistakes, (they look as nervous as a kitten) every time they receive the ball, also ''if in doubt give it a clout'' ,,,hoof it,,,clear your lines,,,whatever they want to call it JUST DO IT,,,the opposition won't score from their own penalty box or half.

The goalie needs to install confidence in the defenders around him, they need to know he will come off his line gather the ball a play it simple, he needs to dominate his box and shout at his defenders, there seems to a distinct lack communication, the defenders need to have the confidence to know where their goalie is and that he will play the ball forward simply without putting them under pressure, which happens with Boruc and Kelvin, the constant changing of goalies is a worry, Gazza looks the best of the three IMO, therefore stick with him.

Finally if it aint broke, DON'T fix it, the dodgey substitutions at key stages in the game need to stop, if we're winning don't change it to shore up the defence and sit back, teams will rip you apart.

If we like suggested it may not be the prettiest football in the world,
(but this league aint a beauty contest) but may might just get a result.

Rant Over
I don't subscribe to that way of playing in the Prem... I would play 4-2-3-1. Have a sole striker who does not run his guts out. Have two holding midfield players who play across the pitch together behind the midfield 3. This has to be the way forward.... Saints are not pacing themselves over 90 minutes and 4-2-3-1 would solve this. We have the players to play this and for me its the obvious answer.
I sort of agree. I think even if we wanted to (which I don't) we couldn't turn ourselves into a Stoke or a West Ham or one of these teams that is really hard to break down and wins ugly games of football through attrition.

I think we have to play to our strengths and make teams scared of our threat going forward. I want them afraid to commit men forward because they know they'll likely be punished for it. Man United have been patching up a dodgy defence like this for years. We just need to start zipping it around with confidence and the quality we've got up front will start to tell.
I would take 'win ugly' right now over pure football. Forget Barca, make us that annoying Liverpool team in the last 4 of the European cup
I'd take three points however they came, but I don't know if winning ugly can ever be our thing with the current group of players. We don't do parking the bus or sending it route one - we play football. It'll come good at some point.
Football is about opinions, I would take a 1 nil win with the goal coming off of Rickie's bum.

My comment was not about winning ugly, it's players doing it right, putting in solid performances by going back to basic's.

At the minute ours centre forwards are not helping out midfield, they should be attacking opposition defenders when they have the ball.

Our midfield look great going forward but apart from one or two they don't look like they can defend for toffee,,,not a lot I say about our defence and the constant changing of goalies is fundamentally wrong,,,players need to be settled.

I look at West Ham I hate their style but they compete in every department which is something I think we lack,,,if we lose the ball IMO our players apart from one or two look like they give up the ghost.

I love the passing the game, I grew up watching total football, I admire Barcelona but we ain't them, a win is a win is win, look a Celtic last night, they beat probably the best club side in the world, no fancy football just solid hard work and the ability to finish chances.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Defending starts with strikers,, if our centre forwards lose the ball they must track back, hassle and not allow the opposition defenders time on the ball, (most footballers are quite thick, if you give them time to think they will do something that hurts your team). The midfield need to concentrate on supporting the defence not just the centre forwards, they must win the ball and play it simple but affectively, forwards or backwards, they must pick up players from set pieces better. The back 4 need to stop worrying about making mistakes, (they look as nervous as a kitten) every time they receive the ball, also ''if in doubt give it a clout'' ,,,hoof it,,,clear your lines,,,whatever they want to call it JUST DO IT,,,the opposition won't score from their own penalty box or half. The goalie needs to install confidence in the defenders around him, they need to know he will come off his line gather the ball a play it simple, he needs to dominate his box and shout at his defenders, there seems to a distinct lack communication, the defenders need to have the confidence to know where their goalie is and that he will play the ball forward simply without putting them under pressure, which happens with Boruc and Kelvin, the constant changing of goalies is a worry, Gazza looks the best of the three IMO, therefore stick with him. Finally if it aint broke, DON'T fix it, the dodgey substitutions at key stages in the game need to stop, if we're winning don't change it to shore up the defence and sit back, teams will rip you apart. If we like suggested it may not be the prettiest football in the world, (but this league aint a beauty contest) but may might just get a result. Rant Over[/p][/quote]I don't subscribe to that way of playing in the Prem... I would play 4-2-3-1. Have a sole striker who does not run his guts out. Have two holding midfield players who play across the pitch together behind the midfield 3. This has to be the way forward.... Saints are not pacing themselves over 90 minutes and 4-2-3-1 would solve this. We have the players to play this and for me its the obvious answer.[/p][/quote]I sort of agree. I think even if we wanted to (which I don't) we couldn't turn ourselves into a Stoke or a West Ham or one of these teams that is really hard to break down and wins ugly games of football through attrition. I think we have to play to our strengths and make teams scared of our threat going forward. I want them afraid to commit men forward because they know they'll likely be punished for it. Man United have been patching up a dodgy defence like this for years. We just need to start zipping it around with confidence and the quality we've got up front will start to tell.[/p][/quote]I would take 'win ugly' right now over pure football. Forget Barca, make us that annoying Liverpool team in the last 4 of the European cup[/p][/quote]I'd take three points however they came, but I don't know if winning ugly can ever be our thing with the current group of players. We don't do parking the bus or sending it route one - we play football. It'll come good at some point.[/p][/quote]Football is about opinions, I would take a 1 nil win with the goal coming off of Rickie's bum. My comment was not about winning ugly, it's players doing it right, putting in solid performances by going back to basic's. At the minute ours centre forwards are not helping out midfield, they should be attacking opposition defenders when they have the ball. Our midfield look great going forward but apart from one or two they don't look like they can defend for toffee,,,not a lot I say about our defence and the constant changing of goalies is fundamentally wrong,,,players need to be settled. I look at West Ham I hate their style but they compete in every department which is something I think we lack,,,if we lose the ball IMO our players apart from one or two look like they give up the ghost. I love the passing the game, I grew up watching total football, I admire Barcelona but we ain't them, a win is a win is win, look a Celtic last night, they beat probably the best club side in the world, no fancy football just solid hard work and the ability to finish chances. Over the Edge
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11:36am Thu 8 Nov 12

SaintJD says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
Made up story by the DE because they don't have anything else to say.

Clearly posted to try to provoke debate from which rumours spring.
Why are you responding to it then?
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: Made up story by the DE because they don't have anything else to say. Clearly posted to try to provoke debate from which rumours spring.[/p][/quote]Why are you responding to it then? SaintJD
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11:39am Thu 8 Nov 12

mack chinnon says...

kent141 wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
Made up story by the DE because they don't have anything else to say.

Clearly posted to try to provoke debate from which rumours spring.
I think that's very unfair. I was dreading an article this morning headlined: "Adkins gives up on shocking defence" - so this story is both big and good news and quite a relief to me.

Too many newspapers concentrate on things that have happened and completely fail to mention all the very important things that haven't happened.

I produce a "shadow version" of the Echo in my mind every morning and, apart from the Adkins refusing to give up scoop, my main stories today are.....

* Cortese doesn't run off with Adkins wife and all Saints money

* Ramirez not killed by piranhas in bath

* Hooiveld not having sex change op

* St Marys escapes demolition by earthquake which didn't happen.

* Lallana not going to "Time Travel" seminar now re-scheduled for last week

* F@rts not to be banned in Kingsland unless wet
idiot.
Agreed.Kunt.
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: Made up story by the DE because they don't have anything else to say. Clearly posted to try to provoke debate from which rumours spring.[/p][/quote]I think that's very unfair. I was dreading an article this morning headlined: "Adkins gives up on shocking defence" - so this story is both big and good news and quite a relief to me. Too many newspapers concentrate on things that have happened and completely fail to mention all the very important things that haven't happened. I produce a "shadow version" of the Echo in my mind every morning and, apart from the Adkins refusing to give up scoop, my main stories today are..... * Cortese doesn't run off with Adkins wife and all Saints money * Ramirez not killed by piranhas in bath * Hooiveld not having sex change op * St Marys escapes demolition by earthquake which didn't happen. * Lallana not going to "Time Travel" seminar now re-scheduled for last week * F@rts not to be banned in Kingsland unless wet[/p][/quote]idiot.[/p][/quote]Agreed.Kunt. mack chinnon
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11:43am Thu 8 Nov 12

fred the red says...

Just play all three goalkeepers, all six defenders and go with one in midfield and one striker.


Simples!

Except we might struggle to name a keeper for the subs bench
Just play all three goalkeepers, all six defenders and go with one in midfield and one striker. Simples! Except we might struggle to name a keeper for the subs bench fred the red
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11:44am Thu 8 Nov 12

SaintJD says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mrtein wrote:
When they say underfire - the only people Atkins is under fire from is the press. fans, playes and cortese have all stood by him.

the level of negativity from the echo is very sad. They could be inspirational. And its nothing to do with selling papers. i dont think a negative atkins article effects paper sales. Its their little fued with the club.

Mr McMurray - get behind the club or stop writing about it...
Atkins?
Yawn, sorry to keep banging on about this, but the Daily Echo is a local fecking newspaper. It's job it to report on things, but spread a message of cheer across the land.

On the main news section of the Echo site, why don't I see people commenting about murder or crime stories slagging the Echo for painting a negative picture of the city?

Surely they should just write stories saying what a nice day it is and how everything is fantastic.

It's rubbish. Sure, NC would love for journalists to just eat up only the kind of stories he wants the club to be associated with - maybe community work, nice positive stories about how great the club is. While there is a place for this, there is also a place for stories that comment on obvious, clear problems and challenges that the club is facing.

If you want to know what truly lazy safe journalist is, let the Echo bow down and re-print SFCs press releases as NC would like them to do, then, after a few months, you could slag them off for being a lap dog for the club.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrtein[/bold] wrote: When they say underfire - the only people Atkins is under fire from is the press. fans, playes and cortese have all stood by him. the level of negativity from the echo is very sad. They could be inspirational. And its nothing to do with selling papers. i dont think a negative atkins article effects paper sales. Its their little fued with the club. Mr McMurray - get behind the club or stop writing about it...[/p][/quote]Atkins?[/p][/quote]Yawn, sorry to keep banging on about this, but the Daily Echo is a local fecking newspaper. It's job it to report on things, but spread a message of cheer across the land. On the main news section of the Echo site, why don't I see people commenting about murder or crime stories slagging the Echo for painting a negative picture of the city? Surely they should just write stories saying what a nice day it is and how everything is fantastic. It's rubbish. Sure, NC would love for journalists to just eat up only the kind of stories he wants the club to be associated with - maybe community work, nice positive stories about how great the club is. While there is a place for this, there is also a place for stories that comment on obvious, clear problems and challenges that the club is facing. If you want to know what truly lazy safe journalist is, let the Echo bow down and re-print SFCs press releases as NC would like them to do, then, after a few months, you could slag them off for being a lap dog for the club. SaintJD
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11:47am Thu 8 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

SaintJD wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mrtein wrote:
When they say underfire - the only people Atkins is under fire from is the press. fans, playes and cortese have all stood by him.

the level of negativity from the echo is very sad. They could be inspirational. And its nothing to do with selling papers. i dont think a negative atkins article effects paper sales. Its their little fued with the club.

Mr McMurray - get behind the club or stop writing about it...
Atkins?
Yawn, sorry to keep banging on about this, but the Daily Echo is a local fecking newspaper. It's job it to report on things, but spread a message of cheer across the land.

On the main news section of the Echo site, why don't I see people commenting about murder or crime stories slagging the Echo for painting a negative picture of the city?

Surely they should just write stories saying what a nice day it is and how everything is fantastic.

It's rubbish. Sure, NC would love for journalists to just eat up only the kind of stories he wants the club to be associated with - maybe community work, nice positive stories about how great the club is. While there is a place for this, there is also a place for stories that comment on obvious, clear problems and challenges that the club is facing.

If you want to know what truly lazy safe journalist is, let the Echo bow down and re-print SFCs press releases as NC would like them to do, then, after a few months, you could slag them off for being a lap dog for the club.
I sense an Echo employee in our mist.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrtein[/bold] wrote: When they say underfire - the only people Atkins is under fire from is the press. fans, playes and cortese have all stood by him. the level of negativity from the echo is very sad. They could be inspirational. And its nothing to do with selling papers. i dont think a negative atkins article effects paper sales. Its their little fued with the club. Mr McMurray - get behind the club or stop writing about it...[/p][/quote]Atkins?[/p][/quote]Yawn, sorry to keep banging on about this, but the Daily Echo is a local fecking newspaper. It's job it to report on things, but spread a message of cheer across the land. On the main news section of the Echo site, why don't I see people commenting about murder or crime stories slagging the Echo for painting a negative picture of the city? Surely they should just write stories saying what a nice day it is and how everything is fantastic. It's rubbish. Sure, NC would love for journalists to just eat up only the kind of stories he wants the club to be associated with - maybe community work, nice positive stories about how great the club is. While there is a place for this, there is also a place for stories that comment on obvious, clear problems and challenges that the club is facing. If you want to know what truly lazy safe journalist is, let the Echo bow down and re-print SFCs press releases as NC would like them to do, then, after a few months, you could slag them off for being a lap dog for the club.[/p][/quote]I sense an Echo employee in our mist. SaintMax
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11:48am Thu 8 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

SaintMax wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mrtein wrote:
When they say underfire - the only people Atkins is under fire from is the press. fans, playes and cortese have all stood by him.

the level of negativity from the echo is very sad. They could be inspirational. And its nothing to do with selling papers. i dont think a negative atkins article effects paper sales. Its their little fued with the club.

Mr McMurray - get behind the club or stop writing about it...
Atkins?
Yawn, sorry to keep banging on about this, but the Daily Echo is a local fecking newspaper. It's job it to report on things, but spread a message of cheer across the land.

On the main news section of the Echo site, why don't I see people commenting about murder or crime stories slagging the Echo for painting a negative picture of the city?

Surely they should just write stories saying what a nice day it is and how everything is fantastic.

It's rubbish. Sure, NC would love for journalists to just eat up only the kind of stories he wants the club to be associated with - maybe community work, nice positive stories about how great the club is. While there is a place for this, there is also a place for stories that comment on obvious, clear problems and challenges that the club is facing.

If you want to know what truly lazy safe journalist is, let the Echo bow down and re-print SFCs press releases as NC would like them to do, then, after a few months, you could slag them off for being a lap dog for the club.
I sense an Echo employee in our mist.
Midst too..
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrtein[/bold] wrote: When they say underfire - the only people Atkins is under fire from is the press. fans, playes and cortese have all stood by him. the level of negativity from the echo is very sad. They could be inspirational. And its nothing to do with selling papers. i dont think a negative atkins article effects paper sales. Its their little fued with the club. Mr McMurray - get behind the club or stop writing about it...[/p][/quote]Atkins?[/p][/quote]Yawn, sorry to keep banging on about this, but the Daily Echo is a local fecking newspaper. It's job it to report on things, but spread a message of cheer across the land. On the main news section of the Echo site, why don't I see people commenting about murder or crime stories slagging the Echo for painting a negative picture of the city? Surely they should just write stories saying what a nice day it is and how everything is fantastic. It's rubbish. Sure, NC would love for journalists to just eat up only the kind of stories he wants the club to be associated with - maybe community work, nice positive stories about how great the club is. While there is a place for this, there is also a place for stories that comment on obvious, clear problems and challenges that the club is facing. If you want to know what truly lazy safe journalist is, let the Echo bow down and re-print SFCs press releases as NC would like them to do, then, after a few months, you could slag them off for being a lap dog for the club.[/p][/quote]I sense an Echo employee in our mist.[/p][/quote]Midst too.. SaintMax
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11:49am Thu 8 Nov 12

SaintJD says...

mack chinnon wrote:
kent141 wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
Made up story by the DE because they don't have anything else to say.

Clearly posted to try to provoke debate from which rumours spring.
I think that's very unfair. I was dreading an article this morning headlined: "Adkins gives up on shocking defence" - so this story is both big and good news and quite a relief to me.

Too many newspapers concentrate on things that have happened and completely fail to mention all the very important things that haven't happened.

I produce a "shadow version" of the Echo in my mind every morning and, apart from the Adkins refusing to give up scoop, my main stories today are.....

* Cortese doesn't run off with Adkins wife and all Saints money

* Ramirez not killed by piranhas in bath

* Hooiveld not having sex change op

* St Marys escapes demolition by earthquake which didn't happen.

* Lallana not going to "Time Travel" seminar now re-scheduled for last week

* F@rts not to be banned in Kingsland unless wet
idiot.
Agreed.Kunt.
You guys are in a bad mood this morning - is it because you are effectively joint bottom and even your manager has walked out on you as a lost case?
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: Made up story by the DE because they don't have anything else to say. Clearly posted to try to provoke debate from which rumours spring.[/p][/quote]I think that's very unfair. I was dreading an article this morning headlined: "Adkins gives up on shocking defence" - so this story is both big and good news and quite a relief to me. Too many newspapers concentrate on things that have happened and completely fail to mention all the very important things that haven't happened. I produce a "shadow version" of the Echo in my mind every morning and, apart from the Adkins refusing to give up scoop, my main stories today are..... * Cortese doesn't run off with Adkins wife and all Saints money * Ramirez not killed by piranhas in bath * Hooiveld not having sex change op * St Marys escapes demolition by earthquake which didn't happen. * Lallana not going to "Time Travel" seminar now re-scheduled for last week * F@rts not to be banned in Kingsland unless wet[/p][/quote]idiot.[/p][/quote]Agreed.Kunt.[/p][/quote]You guys are in a bad mood this morning - is it because you are effectively joint bottom and even your manager has walked out on you as a lost case? SaintJD
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11:51am Thu 8 Nov 12

SaintJD says...

SaintMax wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mrtein wrote:
When they say underfire - the only people Atkins is under fire from is the press. fans, playes and cortese have all stood by him.

the level of negativity from the echo is very sad. They could be inspirational. And its nothing to do with selling papers. i dont think a negative atkins article effects paper sales. Its their little fued with the club.

Mr McMurray - get behind the club or stop writing about it...
Atkins?
Yawn, sorry to keep banging on about this, but the Daily Echo is a local fecking newspaper. It's job it to report on things, but spread a message of cheer across the land.

On the main news section of the Echo site, why don't I see people commenting about murder or crime stories slagging the Echo for painting a negative picture of the city?

Surely they should just write stories saying what a nice day it is and how everything is fantastic.

It's rubbish. Sure, NC would love for journalists to just eat up only the kind of stories he wants the club to be associated with - maybe community work, nice positive stories about how great the club is. While there is a place for this, there is also a place for stories that comment on obvious, clear problems and challenges that the club is facing.

If you want to know what truly lazy safe journalist is, let the Echo bow down and re-print SFCs press releases as NC would like them to do, then, after a few months, you could slag them off for being a lap dog for the club.
I sense an Echo employee in our mist.
Midst too..
No, just someone who believes in a free press and doesn't like to sit in a corner covering my eyes and ears.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrtein[/bold] wrote: When they say underfire - the only people Atkins is under fire from is the press. fans, playes and cortese have all stood by him. the level of negativity from the echo is very sad. They could be inspirational. And its nothing to do with selling papers. i dont think a negative atkins article effects paper sales. Its their little fued with the club. Mr McMurray - get behind the club or stop writing about it...[/p][/quote]Atkins?[/p][/quote]Yawn, sorry to keep banging on about this, but the Daily Echo is a local fecking newspaper. It's job it to report on things, but spread a message of cheer across the land. On the main news section of the Echo site, why don't I see people commenting about murder or crime stories slagging the Echo for painting a negative picture of the city? Surely they should just write stories saying what a nice day it is and how everything is fantastic. It's rubbish. Sure, NC would love for journalists to just eat up only the kind of stories he wants the club to be associated with - maybe community work, nice positive stories about how great the club is. While there is a place for this, there is also a place for stories that comment on obvious, clear problems and challenges that the club is facing. If you want to know what truly lazy safe journalist is, let the Echo bow down and re-print SFCs press releases as NC would like them to do, then, after a few months, you could slag them off for being a lap dog for the club.[/p][/quote]I sense an Echo employee in our mist.[/p][/quote]Midst too..[/p][/quote]No, just someone who believes in a free press and doesn't like to sit in a corner covering my eyes and ears. SaintJD
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11:55am Thu 8 Nov 12

SaintMax says...

SaintJD wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mrtein wrote:
When they say underfire - the only people Atkins is under fire from is the press. fans, playes and cortese have all stood by him.

the level of negativity from the echo is very sad. They could be inspirational. And its nothing to do with selling papers. i dont think a negative atkins article effects paper sales. Its their little fued with the club.

Mr McMurray - get behind the club or stop writing about it...
Atkins?
Yawn, sorry to keep banging on about this, but the Daily Echo is a local fecking newspaper. It's job it to report on things, but spread a message of cheer across the land.

On the main news section of the Echo site, why don't I see people commenting about murder or crime stories slagging the Echo for painting a negative picture of the city?

Surely they should just write stories saying what a nice day it is and how everything is fantastic.

It's rubbish. Sure, NC would love for journalists to just eat up only the kind of stories he wants the club to be associated with - maybe community work, nice positive stories about how great the club is. While there is a place for this, there is also a place for stories that comment on obvious, clear problems and challenges that the club is facing.

If you want to know what truly lazy safe journalist is, let the Echo bow down and re-print SFCs press releases as NC would like them to do, then, after a few months, you could slag them off for being a lap dog for the club.
I sense an Echo employee in our mist.
Midst too..
No, just someone who believes in a free press and doesn't like to sit in a corner covering my eyes and ears.
who said that?
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrtein[/bold] wrote: When they say underfire - the only people Atkins is under fire from is the press. fans, playes and cortese have all stood by him. the level of negativity from the echo is very sad. They could be inspirational. And its nothing to do with selling papers. i dont think a negative atkins article effects paper sales. Its their little fued with the club. Mr McMurray - get behind the club or stop writing about it...[/p][/quote]Atkins?[/p][/quote]Yawn, sorry to keep banging on about this, but the Daily Echo is a local fecking newspaper. It's job it to report on things, but spread a message of cheer across the land. On the main news section of the Echo site, why don't I see people commenting about murder or crime stories slagging the Echo for painting a negative picture of the city? Surely they should just write stories saying what a nice day it is and how everything is fantastic. It's rubbish. Sure, NC would love for journalists to just eat up only the kind of stories he wants the club to be associated with - maybe community work, nice positive stories about how great the club is. While there is a place for this, there is also a place for stories that comment on obvious, clear problems and challenges that the club is facing. If you want to know what truly lazy safe journalist is, let the Echo bow down and re-print SFCs press releases as NC would like them to do, then, after a few months, you could slag them off for being a lap dog for the club.[/p][/quote]I sense an Echo employee in our mist.[/p][/quote]Midst too..[/p][/quote]No, just someone who believes in a free press and doesn't like to sit in a corner covering my eyes and ears.[/p][/quote]who said that? SaintMax
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11:59am Thu 8 Nov 12

SaintJD says...

SaintMax wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mrtein wrote:
When they say underfire - the only people Atkins is under fire from is the press. fans, playes and cortese have all stood by him.

the level of negativity from the echo is very sad. They could be inspirational. And its nothing to do with selling papers. i dont think a negative atkins article effects paper sales. Its their little fued with the club.

Mr McMurray - get behind the club or stop writing about it...
Atkins?
Yawn, sorry to keep banging on about this, but the Daily Echo is a local fecking newspaper. It's job it to report on things, but spread a message of cheer across the land.

On the main news section of the Echo site, why don't I see people commenting about murder or crime stories slagging the Echo for painting a negative picture of the city?

Surely they should just write stories saying what a nice day it is and how everything is fantastic.

It's rubbish. Sure, NC would love for journalists to just eat up only the kind of stories he wants the club to be associated with - maybe community work, nice positive stories about how great the club is. While there is a place for this, there is also a place for stories that comment on obvious, clear problems and challenges that the club is facing.

If you want to know what truly lazy safe journalist is, let the Echo bow down and re-print SFCs press releases as NC would like them to do, then, after a few months, you could slag them off for being a lap dog for the club.
I sense an Echo employee in our mist.
Midst too..
No, just someone who believes in a free press and doesn't like to sit in a corner covering my eyes and ears.
who said that?
:)
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrtein[/bold] wrote: When they say underfire - the only people Atkins is under fire from is the press. fans, playes and cortese have all stood by him. the level of negativity from the echo is very sad. They could be inspirational. And its nothing to do with selling papers. i dont think a negative atkins article effects paper sales. Its their little fued with the club. Mr McMurray - get behind the club or stop writing about it...[/p][/quote]Atkins?[/p][/quote]Yawn, sorry to keep banging on about this, but the Daily Echo is a local fecking newspaper. It's job it to report on things, but spread a message of cheer across the land. On the main news section of the Echo site, why don't I see people commenting about murder or crime stories slagging the Echo for painting a negative picture of the city? Surely they should just write stories saying what a nice day it is and how everything is fantastic. It's rubbish. Sure, NC would love for journalists to just eat up only the kind of stories he wants the club to be associated with - maybe community work, nice positive stories about how great the club is. While there is a place for this, there is also a place for stories that comment on obvious, clear problems and challenges that the club is facing. If you want to know what truly lazy safe journalist is, let the Echo bow down and re-print SFCs press releases as NC would like them to do, then, after a few months, you could slag them off for being a lap dog for the club.[/p][/quote]I sense an Echo employee in our mist.[/p][/quote]Midst too..[/p][/quote]No, just someone who believes in a free press and doesn't like to sit in a corner covering my eyes and ears.[/p][/quote]who said that?[/p][/quote]:) SaintJD
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12:05pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Beer Monster says...

On Thu 1st Nov saintforever wrote:
it must be thursday - echo always start the adkins saga on thursdays (thats if they have finished the one from the week before)


Indeed - this is starting to get tedious now. Why isn't there a story on Appy jumping ship to sunny Blackpool?

Come on DE, do us a favour, we demand to see the tea lady and her scooter doing the rounds at Krap Nottarf before Tesco build on the flotsam
[quote]On Thu 1st Nov saintforever wrote: it must be thursday - echo always start the adkins saga on thursdays (thats if they have finished the one from the week before)[/quote] Indeed - this is starting to get tedious now. Why isn't there a story on Appy jumping ship to sunny Blackpool? Come on DE, do us a favour, we demand to see the tea lady and her scooter doing the rounds at Krap Nottarf before Tesco build on the flotsam Beer Monster
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12:18pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Harrysdog says...

When you quote the word "shocking", who are you quoting.
When you quote the word "shocking", who are you quoting. Harrysdog
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12:19pm Thu 8 Nov 12

darune says...

mike saint wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership?
If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence.
Surely he must know they're just not good enough?
He can only work with the players he has! What other options are there?

I would far rather see a story that's a rallying cry from the local paper supporting our great club which in turn then generates a flood of positivity from the genuine fans posting on this site!

Too much to ask? Let's have a thread where we concentrate on talking football, formations and Saints only!

Who cares what's happening at the shitehole down the road? Don't entertain or respond to any non Saints fan spouting nonsense and on a wind up.
Come on you Reds, I'd like to see another defensive formation on Saturday - Gazza, Yoshi, Jos, Clyne and Shaw. With Spider, Cork, Gaston and Lallana with Ricky up top.
Well said. Team looks good to, we have missed Cork in midfield.
Did someone get sent off? I would add Punch to the mix and play the 4-2-3-1 as Gazza, Clyne, Yoshi, Jos, Shaw - 2 holding Schneiderlin & Cork - Mid three Punch, Gaston, Lallana and Ricky up top!
[quote][p][bold]mike saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership? If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence. Surely he must know they're just not good enough?[/p][/quote]He can only work with the players he has! What other options are there? I would far rather see a story that's a rallying cry from the local paper supporting our great club which in turn then generates a flood of positivity from the genuine fans posting on this site! Too much to ask? Let's have a thread where we concentrate on talking football, formations and Saints only! Who cares what's happening at the shitehole down the road? Don't entertain or respond to any non Saints fan spouting nonsense and on a wind up. Come on you Reds, I'd like to see another defensive formation on Saturday - Gazza, Yoshi, Jos, Clyne and Shaw. With Spider, Cork, Gaston and Lallana with Ricky up top.[/p][/quote]Well said. Team looks good to, we have missed Cork in midfield.[/p][/quote]Did someone get sent off? I would add Punch to the mix and play the 4-2-3-1 as Gazza, Clyne, Yoshi, Jos, Shaw - 2 holding Schneiderlin & Cork - Mid three Punch, Gaston, Lallana and Ricky up top! darune
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12:44pm Thu 8 Nov 12

saintshorse101 says...

MGRA wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
St Retford wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
St Retford wrote: I think the defence was much, much better against West Brom. No one would have stopped their second and the first was a deflection which should have been ruled out for handball in any event. Other than that I think Gazza only made one save. I think the whole team is being set up to focus more on defence, which is why I don't think we created as much going forward. We'll get there.
I think we got away with ball retention in the championship, then picked our own time to score, and so the team were set up to attack. In this league the format has been found out as we are not good enough to keep the ball, and not quick enough to respond to a counter-attack. So we defo need to learn to park the bus.
I agree actually. I think we could get away with losing the ball a lot more in the Championship as most teams didn't have a strike force clinical enough to punish us. I think our passing needs to get 10% more precise and then we're in business. Hopefully Gaston will get up to speed very quickly in this department as his fitness improves.
Gaston will be a relevation I think as long we we can set the team up around him and have two midfield biters/ball winners to break down the opposition and hold the middle of the park. It can only get better..!
Gaston will be indeed. The morons here who ridiculed me because he played on monday soon shut up when it was clear he was a million miles away from being ready. That injury causes nerve damage and he should have been rested properly and allowed to get back to match fitness/sharpness in the proper time frame.
the `morons` who ridiculed you only did so because of your insistance that gaston would not play until december at the earliest! if you remember at the time, many including me said he may not play until december, however you came in for criticism for the way you made your argument. i could drag it all up again but thats not going to help anything is it?
with regards gaston on monday, i said that i hoped that NA would not feel pressured into bringing him into the game too soon, i think its obvious that he was not `match fit` and should have been on the bench to come on in the second half. as for your assertion regarding `nerve damage` trust me you wont know more about that than me! and i can tell you that if gaston had nerve `damage` there is no way he would have even played on monday or for several more weeks! having said that, pressure in his leg may have caused compression on the nerve, but when the leg was drained to release the pressure, which was done pretty soon after the injury, the nerves would recover in next to no time, with rest and medication. have you ever `pinched` a nerve in your shoulder or neck? it recovers very quickly. as i said i know about nerve pain and damage, though i am no `expert`, but i do know that injury caused by crushing action is far worse than the compression injury that gaston suffered.
i am not trying to pick `a fight` or call you names! all i am trying to do is move he debate on and to explain that gaston would not have suffered from the injury levels you claim. again i have not worked on his case but i do know from personal experience.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: I think the defence was much, much better against West Brom. No one would have stopped their second and the first was a deflection which should have been ruled out for handball in any event. Other than that I think Gazza only made one save. I think the whole team is being set up to focus more on defence, which is why I don't think we created as much going forward. We'll get there.[/p][/quote]I think we got away with ball retention in the championship, then picked our own time to score, and so the team were set up to attack. In this league the format has been found out as we are not good enough to keep the ball, and not quick enough to respond to a counter-attack. So we defo need to learn to park the bus.[/p][/quote]I agree actually. I think we could get away with losing the ball a lot more in the Championship as most teams didn't have a strike force clinical enough to punish us. I think our passing needs to get 10% more precise and then we're in business. Hopefully Gaston will get up to speed very quickly in this department as his fitness improves.[/p][/quote]Gaston will be a relevation I think as long we we can set the team up around him and have two midfield biters/ball winners to break down the opposition and hold the middle of the park. It can only get better..![/p][/quote]Gaston will be indeed. The morons here who ridiculed me because he played on monday soon shut up when it was clear he was a million miles away from being ready. That injury causes nerve damage and he should have been rested properly and allowed to get back to match fitness/sharpness in the proper time frame.[/p][/quote]the `morons` who ridiculed you only did so because of your insistance that gaston would not play until december at the earliest! if you remember at the time, many including me said he may not play until december, however you came in for criticism for the way you made your argument. i could drag it all up again but thats not going to help anything is it? with regards gaston on monday, i said that i hoped that NA would not feel pressured into bringing him into the game too soon, i think its obvious that he was not `match fit` and should have been on the bench to come on in the second half. as for your assertion regarding `nerve damage` trust me you wont know more about that than me! and i can tell you that if gaston had nerve `damage` there is no way he would have even played on monday or for several more weeks! having said that, pressure in his leg may have caused compression on the nerve, but when the leg was drained to release the pressure, which was done pretty soon after the injury, the nerves would recover in next to no time, with rest and medication. have you ever `pinched` a nerve in your shoulder or neck? it recovers very quickly. as i said i know about nerve pain and damage, though i am no `expert`, but i do know that injury caused by crushing action is far worse than the compression injury that gaston suffered. i am not trying to pick `a fight` or call you names! all i am trying to do is move he debate on and to explain that gaston would not have suffered from the injury levels you claim. again i have not worked on his case but i do know from personal experience. saintshorse101
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12:48pm Thu 8 Nov 12

batesieboy says...

mike saint wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership?
If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence.
Surely he must know they're just not good enough?
He can only work with the players he has! What other options are there?

I would far rather see a story that's a rallying cry from the local paper supporting our great club which in turn then generates a flood of positivity from the genuine fans posting on this site!

Too much to ask? Let's have a thread where we concentrate on talking football, formations and Saints only!

Who cares what's happening at the shitehole down the road? Don't entertain or respond to any non Saints fan spouting nonsense and on a wind up.
Come on you Reds, I'd like to see another defensive formation on Saturday - Gazza, Yoshi, Jos, Clyne and Shaw. With Spider, Cork, Gaston and Lallana with Ricky up top.
Well said. Team looks good to, we have missed Cork in midfield.
Team looks one short to me. Although maybe they would play better in 10, as some coaches point out after sendings-off.
[quote][p][bold]mike saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership? If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence. Surely he must know they're just not good enough?[/p][/quote]He can only work with the players he has! What other options are there? I would far rather see a story that's a rallying cry from the local paper supporting our great club which in turn then generates a flood of positivity from the genuine fans posting on this site! Too much to ask? Let's have a thread where we concentrate on talking football, formations and Saints only! Who cares what's happening at the shitehole down the road? Don't entertain or respond to any non Saints fan spouting nonsense and on a wind up. Come on you Reds, I'd like to see another defensive formation on Saturday - Gazza, Yoshi, Jos, Clyne and Shaw. With Spider, Cork, Gaston and Lallana with Ricky up top.[/p][/quote]Well said. Team looks good to, we have missed Cork in midfield.[/p][/quote]Team looks one short to me. Although maybe they would play better in 10, as some coaches point out after sendings-off. batesieboy
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1:13pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Beer Monster says...

Beer Monster wrote:
On Thu 1st Nov saintforever wrote:
it must be thursday - echo always start the adkins saga on thursdays (thats if they have finished the one from the week before)


Indeed - this is starting to get tedious now. Why isn't there a story on Appy jumping ship to sunny Blackpool?

Come on DE, do us a favour, we demand to see the tea lady and her scooter doing the rounds at Krap Nottarf before Tesco build on the flotsam
Bad form replying to oneself, I know - but before I get flamed, just noticed the Appy article was posted in the News section last night...
[quote][p][bold]Beer Monster[/bold] wrote: [quote]On Thu 1st Nov saintforever wrote: it must be thursday - echo always start the adkins saga on thursdays (thats if they have finished the one from the week before)[/quote] Indeed - this is starting to get tedious now. Why isn't there a story on Appy jumping ship to sunny Blackpool? Come on DE, do us a favour, we demand to see the tea lady and her scooter doing the rounds at Krap Nottarf before Tesco build on the flotsam[/p][/quote]Bad form replying to oneself, I know - but before I get flamed, just noticed the Appy article was posted in the News section last night... Beer Monster
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1:26pm Thu 8 Nov 12

ShakeyWiffles says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
It's not just the defence that has been poor this season, the midfield have been caught out of position far to many times too, the 1st goal vs WBA was a clear example, Lallana goes infield to joint Davies and Spider to close a player down, leaving Fox exposed down the left so the play is moved back outside where Lallana should have been but there is just space there, the attacking player moves back inside compressing the play looks to shoot at goal and spider ambles toward the attacker and as he shoots turns his back away from the player! I'm pretty sure Atkins does not practice this on this on the training pitch, it's just poor play, the defence is only as good as the midfield and our midfield is far too open, we need to defend better as a team as in the same way that we need to attack better as a team, the 2nd goal was also down to the midfield loosing possession in the final third with no midfield cover, that's what we need to work on, our defending as a team.
It's Adkins you tw@t ADKINS!!!!!!!! FFS!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: It's not just the defence that has been poor this season, the midfield have been caught out of position far to many times too, the 1st goal vs WBA was a clear example, Lallana goes infield to joint Davies and Spider to close a player down, leaving Fox exposed down the left so the play is moved back outside where Lallana should have been but there is just space there, the attacking player moves back inside compressing the play looks to shoot at goal and spider ambles toward the attacker and as he shoots turns his back away from the player! I'm pretty sure Atkins does not practice this on this on the training pitch, it's just poor play, the defence is only as good as the midfield and our midfield is far too open, we need to defend better as a team as in the same way that we need to attack better as a team, the 2nd goal was also down to the midfield loosing possession in the final third with no midfield cover, that's what we need to work on, our defending as a team.[/p][/quote]It's Adkins you tw@t ADKINS!!!!!!!! FFS!!!!!!! ShakeyWiffles
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1:28pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Taking le Tiss says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
I would like to see Cork either in the back 4 or as a sweeper in front of them
I agree if fit play cork at RB and push Clyne to LB with Maya & Jose in the middle
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: I would like to see Cork either in the back 4 or as a sweeper in front of them[/p][/quote]I agree if fit play cork at RB and push Clyne to LB with Maya & Jose in the middle Taking le Tiss
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1:39pm Thu 8 Nov 12

MGRA says...

saintshorse101 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
St Retford wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
St Retford wrote: I think the defence was much, much better against West Brom. No one would have stopped their second and the first was a deflection which should have been ruled out for handball in any event. Other than that I think Gazza only made one save. I think the whole team is being set up to focus more on defence, which is why I don't think we created as much going forward. We'll get there.
I think we got away with ball retention in the championship, then picked our own time to score, and so the team were set up to attack. In this league the format has been found out as we are not good enough to keep the ball, and not quick enough to respond to a counter-attack. So we defo need to learn to park the bus.
I agree actually. I think we could get away with losing the ball a lot more in the Championship as most teams didn't have a strike force clinical enough to punish us. I think our passing needs to get 10% more precise and then we're in business. Hopefully Gaston will get up to speed very quickly in this department as his fitness improves.
Gaston will be a relevation I think as long we we can set the team up around him and have two midfield biters/ball winners to break down the opposition and hold the middle of the park. It can only get better..!
Gaston will be indeed. The morons here who ridiculed me because he played on monday soon shut up when it was clear he was a million miles away from being ready. That injury causes nerve damage and he should have been rested properly and allowed to get back to match fitness/sharpness in the proper time frame.
the `morons` who ridiculed you only did so because of your insistance that gaston would not play until december at the earliest! if you remember at the time, many including me said he may not play until december, however you came in for criticism for the way you made your argument. i could drag it all up again but thats not going to help anything is it?
with regards gaston on monday, i said that i hoped that NA would not feel pressured into bringing him into the game too soon, i think its obvious that he was not `match fit` and should have been on the bench to come on in the second half. as for your assertion regarding `nerve damage` trust me you wont know more about that than me! and i can tell you that if gaston had nerve `damage` there is no way he would have even played on monday or for several more weeks! having said that, pressure in his leg may have caused compression on the nerve, but when the leg was drained to release the pressure, which was done pretty soon after the injury, the nerves would recover in next to no time, with rest and medication. have you ever `pinched` a nerve in your shoulder or neck? it recovers very quickly. as i said i know about nerve pain and damage, though i am no `expert`, but i do know that injury caused by crushing action is far worse than the compression injury that gaston suffered.
i am not trying to pick `a fight` or call you names! all i am trying to do is move he debate on and to explain that gaston would not have suffered from the injury levels you claim. again i have not worked on his case but i do know from personal experience.
well on what I learned he was never going to be fit until late Nov' at the earliest. It was as simple as that. I did not make up the nerve damage thing and its now obvious to all that he should never have taken part in the WBA game. I could make a judgment on how bad his injury was but I was obviously not to know that he would be played way way before he was fit. I would take no pleasure in being right on this and in fact was hoping to see him prove my info wrong and set the game alight on monday and I take no pleasure now in the fact he probably will not play this weekend.
[quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: I think the defence was much, much better against West Brom. No one would have stopped their second and the first was a deflection which should have been ruled out for handball in any event. Other than that I think Gazza only made one save. I think the whole team is being set up to focus more on defence, which is why I don't think we created as much going forward. We'll get there.[/p][/quote]I think we got away with ball retention in the championship, then picked our own time to score, and so the team were set up to attack. In this league the format has been found out as we are not good enough to keep the ball, and not quick enough to respond to a counter-attack. So we defo need to learn to park the bus.[/p][/quote]I agree actually. I think we could get away with losing the ball a lot more in the Championship as most teams didn't have a strike force clinical enough to punish us. I think our passing needs to get 10% more precise and then we're in business. Hopefully Gaston will get up to speed very quickly in this department as his fitness improves.[/p][/quote]Gaston will be a relevation I think as long we we can set the team up around him and have two midfield biters/ball winners to break down the opposition and hold the middle of the park. It can only get better..![/p][/quote]Gaston will be indeed. The morons here who ridiculed me because he played on monday soon shut up when it was clear he was a million miles away from being ready. That injury causes nerve damage and he should have been rested properly and allowed to get back to match fitness/sharpness in the proper time frame.[/p][/quote]the `morons` who ridiculed you only did so because of your insistance that gaston would not play until december at the earliest! if you remember at the time, many including me said he may not play until december, however you came in for criticism for the way you made your argument. i could drag it all up again but thats not going to help anything is it? with regards gaston on monday, i said that i hoped that NA would not feel pressured into bringing him into the game too soon, i think its obvious that he was not `match fit` and should have been on the bench to come on in the second half. as for your assertion regarding `nerve damage` trust me you wont know more about that than me! and i can tell you that if gaston had nerve `damage` there is no way he would have even played on monday or for several more weeks! having said that, pressure in his leg may have caused compression on the nerve, but when the leg was drained to release the pressure, which was done pretty soon after the injury, the nerves would recover in next to no time, with rest and medication. have you ever `pinched` a nerve in your shoulder or neck? it recovers very quickly. as i said i know about nerve pain and damage, though i am no `expert`, but i do know that injury caused by crushing action is far worse than the compression injury that gaston suffered. i am not trying to pick `a fight` or call you names! all i am trying to do is move he debate on and to explain that gaston would not have suffered from the injury levels you claim. again i have not worked on his case but i do know from personal experience.[/p][/quote]well on what I learned he was never going to be fit until late Nov' at the earliest. It was as simple as that. I did not make up the nerve damage thing and its now obvious to all that he should never have taken part in the WBA game. I could make a judgment on how bad his injury was but I was obviously not to know that he would be played way way before he was fit. I would take no pleasure in being right on this and in fact was hoping to see him prove my info wrong and set the game alight on monday and I take no pleasure now in the fact he probably will not play this weekend. MGRA
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1:43pm Thu 8 Nov 12

MGRA says...

why is there a picture of slugger in a straw hat and a blue dress on the Echo home page ?
why is there a picture of slugger in a straw hat and a blue dress on the Echo home page ? MGRA
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1:57pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

darune wrote:
mike saint wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership?
If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence.
Surely he must know they're just not good enough?
He can only work with the players he has! What other options are there?

I would far rather see a story that's a rallying cry from the local paper supporting our great club which in turn then generates a flood of positivity from the genuine fans posting on this site!

Too much to ask? Let's have a thread where we concentrate on talking football, formations and Saints only!

Who cares what's happening at the shitehole down the road? Don't entertain or respond to any non Saints fan spouting nonsense and on a wind up.
Come on you Reds, I'd like to see another defensive formation on Saturday - Gazza, Yoshi, Jos, Clyne and Shaw. With Spider, Cork, Gaston and Lallana with Ricky up top.
Well said. Team looks good to, we have missed Cork in midfield.
Did someone get sent off? I would add Punch to the mix and play the 4-2-3-1 as Gazza, Clyne, Yoshi, Jos, Shaw - 2 holding Schneiderlin & Cork - Mid three Punch, Gaston, Lallana and Ricky up top!
Still in Vietnam, so, today, I asked the masseuse if we should play 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1, 4-1-3-2, go with wing backs or play the diamond.

She said she quite liked 4-2-3-1 and I'm still benefitting from her decision.

Alas, it's back to wet and cold Strasbourg during match time Saturday.

Oh well, every silver lining has a cloud.
[quote][p][bold]darune[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership? If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence. Surely he must know they're just not good enough?[/p][/quote]He can only work with the players he has! What other options are there? I would far rather see a story that's a rallying cry from the local paper supporting our great club which in turn then generates a flood of positivity from the genuine fans posting on this site! Too much to ask? Let's have a thread where we concentrate on talking football, formations and Saints only! Who cares what's happening at the shitehole down the road? Don't entertain or respond to any non Saints fan spouting nonsense and on a wind up. Come on you Reds, I'd like to see another defensive formation on Saturday - Gazza, Yoshi, Jos, Clyne and Shaw. With Spider, Cork, Gaston and Lallana with Ricky up top.[/p][/quote]Well said. Team looks good to, we have missed Cork in midfield.[/p][/quote]Did someone get sent off? I would add Punch to the mix and play the 4-2-3-1 as Gazza, Clyne, Yoshi, Jos, Shaw - 2 holding Schneiderlin & Cork - Mid three Punch, Gaston, Lallana and Ricky up top![/p][/quote]Still in Vietnam, so, today, I asked the masseuse if we should play 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1, 4-1-3-2, go with wing backs or play the diamond. She said she quite liked 4-2-3-1 and I'm still benefitting from her decision. Alas, it's back to wet and cold Strasbourg during match time Saturday. Oh well, every silver lining has a cloud. Strasbourg Saint
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2:12pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Ted Rogers says...

darune wrote:
mike saint wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership?
If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence.
Surely he must know they're just not good enough?
He can only work with the players he has! What other options are there?

I would far rather see a story that's a rallying cry from the local paper supporting our great club which in turn then generates a flood of positivity from the genuine fans posting on this site!

Too much to ask? Let's have a thread where we concentrate on talking football, formations and Saints only!

Who cares what's happening at the shitehole down the road? Don't entertain or respond to any non Saints fan spouting nonsense and on a wind up.
Come on you Reds, I'd like to see another defensive formation on Saturday - Gazza, Yoshi, Jos, Clyne and Shaw. With Spider, Cork, Gaston and Lallana with Ricky up top.
Well said. Team looks good to, we have missed Cork in midfield.
Did someone get sent off? I would add Punch to the mix and play the 4-2-3-1 as Gazza, Clyne, Yoshi, Jos, Shaw - 2 holding Schneiderlin & Cork - Mid three Punch, Gaston, Lallana and Ricky up top!
Well spotted, the player I omitted is the one that makes 11 in your side.
[quote][p][bold]darune[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership? If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence. Surely he must know they're just not good enough?[/p][/quote]He can only work with the players he has! What other options are there? I would far rather see a story that's a rallying cry from the local paper supporting our great club which in turn then generates a flood of positivity from the genuine fans posting on this site! Too much to ask? Let's have a thread where we concentrate on talking football, formations and Saints only! Who cares what's happening at the shitehole down the road? Don't entertain or respond to any non Saints fan spouting nonsense and on a wind up. Come on you Reds, I'd like to see another defensive formation on Saturday - Gazza, Yoshi, Jos, Clyne and Shaw. With Spider, Cork, Gaston and Lallana with Ricky up top.[/p][/quote]Well said. Team looks good to, we have missed Cork in midfield.[/p][/quote]Did someone get sent off? I would add Punch to the mix and play the 4-2-3-1 as Gazza, Clyne, Yoshi, Jos, Shaw - 2 holding Schneiderlin & Cork - Mid three Punch, Gaston, Lallana and Ricky up top![/p][/quote]Well spotted, the player I omitted is the one that makes 11 in your side. Ted Rogers
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2:27pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Jameski says...

loosehead wrote:
Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership?
If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence.
Surely he must know they're just not good enough?
He know's the defence is not good enough but if he keeps saying how bad they are then they will stop trying. If he joins us and moans about the defence then they will know they are on the way out in january so they will completely give up. He has to make them believe they are up to the task so they give 100% for the next 2 months and then after that the problem can be fixed. Until then he just has to deal with it and get the best out of what he has
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership? If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence. Surely he must know they're just not good enough?[/p][/quote]He know's the defence is not good enough but if he keeps saying how bad they are then they will stop trying. If he joins us and moans about the defence then they will know they are on the way out in january so they will completely give up. He has to make them believe they are up to the task so they give 100% for the next 2 months and then after that the problem can be fixed. Until then he just has to deal with it and get the best out of what he has Jameski
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2:29pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Saintlee72 says...

Watching the game the other night, I couldn't help but be impressed the way West Brom were set up. Flat back four, 2 holding midfielders. 3 attacking midfielders and one up front and I have to say, it worked a treat with their full backs bombing on with one of the two holding midfielders sitting in on the cover. I may be wrong but does anyone agree that is the perfect formation for us with Gaston, Adam and JP in midfield with Lambert up top.
Watching the game the other night, I couldn't help but be impressed the way West Brom were set up. Flat back four, 2 holding midfielders. 3 attacking midfielders and one up front and I have to say, it worked a treat with their full backs bombing on with one of the two holding midfielders sitting in on the cover. I may be wrong but does anyone agree that is the perfect formation for us with Gaston, Adam and JP in midfield with Lambert up top. Saintlee72
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2:30pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Jameski says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership?
If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence.
Surely he must know they're just not good enough?
He can only work with the players he has! What other options are there?

I would far rather see a story that's a rallying cry from the local paper supporting our great club which in turn then generates a flood of positivity from the genuine fans posting on this site!

Too much to ask? Let's have a thread where we concentrate on talking football, formations and Saints only!

Who cares what's happening at the shitehole down the road? Don't entertain or respond to any non Saints fan spouting nonsense and on a wind up.
Come on you Reds, I'd like to see another defensive formation on Saturday - Gazza, Yoshi, Jos, Clyne and Shaw. With Spider, Cork, Gaston and Lallana with Ricky up top.
It would be nice to put 11 players in the team...
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership? If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence. Surely he must know they're just not good enough?[/p][/quote]He can only work with the players he has! What other options are there? I would far rather see a story that's a rallying cry from the local paper supporting our great club which in turn then generates a flood of positivity from the genuine fans posting on this site! Too much to ask? Let's have a thread where we concentrate on talking football, formations and Saints only! Who cares what's happening at the shitehole down the road? Don't entertain or respond to any non Saints fan spouting nonsense and on a wind up. Come on you Reds, I'd like to see another defensive formation on Saturday - Gazza, Yoshi, Jos, Clyne and Shaw. With Spider, Cork, Gaston and Lallana with Ricky up top.[/p][/quote]It would be nice to put 11 players in the team... Jameski
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2:54pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Jameski says...

Beer Monster wrote:
On Thu 1st Nov saintforever wrote:
it must be thursday - echo always start the adkins saga on thursdays (thats if they have finished the one from the week before)


Indeed - this is starting to get tedious now. Why isn't there a story on Appy jumping ship to sunny Blackpool?

Come on DE, do us a favour, we demand to see the tea lady and her scooter doing the rounds at Krap Nottarf before Tesco build on the flotsam
They do have that story, just not in saints news section
[quote][p][bold]Beer Monster[/bold] wrote: [quote]On Thu 1st Nov saintforever wrote: it must be thursday - echo always start the adkins saga on thursdays (thats if they have finished the one from the week before)[/quote] Indeed - this is starting to get tedious now. Why isn't there a story on Appy jumping ship to sunny Blackpool? Come on DE, do us a favour, we demand to see the tea lady and her scooter doing the rounds at Krap Nottarf before Tesco build on the flotsam[/p][/quote]They do have that story, just not in saints news section Jameski
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3:27pm Thu 8 Nov 12

saintkenny says...

devonsaint2 wrote:
kent141

what a miserable person you are.

you are not a supporter, just a whinger.
no he is a desperate skate ,trying to make out he is a saints fan.completly deluded ,take no notice of the saddo
[quote][p][bold]devonsaint2[/bold] wrote: kent141 what a miserable person you are. you are not a supporter, just a whinger.[/p][/quote]no he is a desperate skate ,trying to make out he is a saints fan.completly deluded ,take no notice of the saddo saintkenny
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3:45pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Saintsayer II says...

Saintlee72 wrote:
Watching the game the other night, I couldn't help but be impressed the way West Brom were set up. Flat back four, 2 holding midfielders. 3 attacking midfielders and one up front and I have to say, it worked a treat with their full backs bombing on with one of the two holding midfielders sitting in on the cover. I may be wrong but does anyone agree that is the perfect formation for us with Gaston, Adam and JP in midfield with Lambert up top.
And any 2 fro Davies Cork or Spider in front of the back 4

Saintlee if Nigel wants some help how about me and thee applying for it
[quote][p][bold]Saintlee72[/bold] wrote: Watching the game the other night, I couldn't help but be impressed the way West Brom were set up. Flat back four, 2 holding midfielders. 3 attacking midfielders and one up front and I have to say, it worked a treat with their full backs bombing on with one of the two holding midfielders sitting in on the cover. I may be wrong but does anyone agree that is the perfect formation for us with Gaston, Adam and JP in midfield with Lambert up top.[/p][/quote]And any 2 fro Davies Cork or Spider in front of the back 4 Saintlee if Nigel wants some help how about me and thee applying for it Saintsayer II
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4:04pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Velleity says...

loosehead wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership?
If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence.
Surely he must know they're just not good enough?
He can only work with the players he has! What other options are there?

I would far rather see a story that's a rallying cry from the local paper supporting our great club which in turn then generates a flood of positivity from the genuine fans posting on this site!

Too much to ask? Let's have a thread where we concentrate on talking football, formations and Saints only!

Who cares what's happening at the shitehole down the road? Don't entertain or respond to any non Saints fan spouting nonsense and on a wind up.
Come on you Reds, I'd like to see another defensive formation on Saturday - Gazza, Yoshi, Jos, Clyne and Shaw. With Spider, Cork, Gaston and Lallana with Ricky up top.
Surely as a manager he must have noticed last season he needed to strengthen his defence?
I also said we needed a midfield ball player/tactician /general as we had the strikers but they had to keep coming back for the ball or to defend.
he Adkins had the chance at the beginning of the season to strengthen both positions defence & midfield but instead concentrated on attack or attacking players.
surely your not saying Fonte is good enough for this league are you?
If he has a full strength squad & comes away with nothing over these next three matches I'm sorry but it's good bye Adkins as I can't see him surviving after that
Yes, we've heard you. We've heard you saying this in every single thread this season. We've heard you. You knew best.

Without the use of a time machine and your perfect hindsight, please can you give some constructive comments about what can be done?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Does this mean he thinks they're good enough for the Premiership? If he does then at the end of the month it's good bye Adkins as I can't see us getting any results with this defence. Surely he must know they're just not good enough?[/p][/quote]He can only work with the players he has! What other options are there? I would far rather see a story that's a rallying cry from the local paper supporting our great club which in turn then generates a flood of positivity from the genuine fans posting on this site! Too much to ask? Let's have a thread where we concentrate on talking football, formations and Saints only! Who cares what's happening at the shitehole down the road? Don't entertain or respond to any non Saints fan spouting nonsense and on a wind up. Come on you Reds, I'd like to see another defensive formation on Saturday - Gazza, Yoshi, Jos, Clyne and Shaw. With Spider, Cork, Gaston and Lallana with Ricky up top.[/p][/quote]Surely as a manager he must have noticed last season he needed to strengthen his defence? I also said we needed a midfield ball player/tactician /general as we had the strikers but they had to keep coming back for the ball or to defend. he Adkins had the chance at the beginning of the season to strengthen both positions defence & midfield but instead concentrated on attack or attacking players. surely your not saying Fonte is good enough for this league are you? If he has a full strength squad & comes away with nothing over these next three matches I'm sorry but it's good bye Adkins as I can't see him surviving after that[/p][/quote]Yes, we've heard you. We've heard you saying this in every single thread this season. We've heard you. You knew best. Without the use of a time machine and your perfect hindsight, please can you give some constructive comments about what can be done? Velleity
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4:08pm Thu 8 Nov 12

saintshorse101 says...

MGRA wrote:
saintshorse101 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
St Retford wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
St Retford wrote: I think the defence was much, much better against West Brom. No one would have stopped their second and the first was a deflection which should have been ruled out for handball in any event. Other than that I think Gazza only made one save. I think the whole team is being set up to focus more on defence, which is why I don't think we created as much going forward. We'll get there.
I think we got away with ball retention in the championship, then picked our own time to score, and so the team were set up to attack. In this league the format has been found out as we are not good enough to keep the ball, and not quick enough to respond to a counter-attack. So we defo need to learn to park the bus.
I agree actually. I think we could get away with losing the ball a lot more in the Championship as most teams didn't have a strike force clinical enough to punish us. I think our passing needs to get 10% more precise and then we're in business. Hopefully Gaston will get up to speed very quickly in this department as his fitness improves.
Gaston will be a relevation I think as long we we can set the team up around him and have two midfield biters/ball winners to break down the opposition and hold the middle of the park. It can only get better..!
Gaston will be indeed. The morons here who ridiculed me because he played on monday soon shut up when it was clear he was a million miles away from being ready. That injury causes nerve damage and he should have been rested properly and allowed to get back to match fitness/sharpness in the proper time frame.
the `morons` who ridiculed you only did so because of your insistance that gaston would not play until december at the earliest! if you remember at the time, many including me said he may not play until december, however you came in for criticism for the way you made your argument. i could drag it all up again but thats not going to help anything is it? with regards gaston on monday, i said that i hoped that NA would not feel pressured into bringing him into the game too soon, i think its obvious that he was not `match fit` and should have been on the bench to come on in the second half. as for your assertion regarding `nerve damage` trust me you wont know more about that than me! and i can tell you that if gaston had nerve `damage` there is no way he would have even played on monday or for several more weeks! having said that, pressure in his leg may have caused compression on the nerve, but when the leg was drained to release the pressure, which was done pretty soon after the injury, the nerves would recover in next to no time, with rest and medication. have you ever `pinched` a nerve in your shoulder or neck? it recovers very quickly. as i said i know about nerve pain and damage, though i am no `expert`, but i do know that injury caused by crushing action is far worse than the compression injury that gaston suffered. i am not trying to pick `a fight` or call you names! all i am trying to do is move he debate on and to explain that gaston would not have suffered from the injury levels you claim. again i have not worked on his case but i do know from personal experience.
well on what I learned he was never going to be fit until late Nov' at the earliest. It was as simple as that. I did not make up the nerve damage thing and its now obvious to all that he should never have taken part in the WBA game. I could make a judgment on how bad his injury was but I was obviously not to know that he would be played way way before he was fit. I would take no pleasure in being right on this and in fact was hoping to see him prove my info wrong and set the game alight on monday and I take no pleasure now in the fact he probably will not play this weekend.
so if you did not `make up the nerve damage thing` where did you get the info from? you say "well on what I learned he was never going to be fit until late Nov" where did you learn this? all saints said was what the injury was and the expected recovery period. now i will take what the medical staff say, working with the player and assessing his injury first hand, over any internet medical board any day. as i said late nov-early dec was near the given recovery period and could have been right, however have you heard the saying `its not what you say, its how you say it`? as i said there is no way that gaston suffered nerve damage! he may have injured a nerve, though this would have been an compression injury and can be treated relatively quickly and easily, and trust me i do know quite a lot about nerve damage and injury, i have had enough specialists, physios, pharmacist, nurses and doctors explain all about it too me!
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: I think the defence was much, much better against West Brom. No one would have stopped their second and the first was a deflection which should have been ruled out for handball in any event. Other than that I think Gazza only made one save. I think the whole team is being set up to focus more on defence, which is why I don't think we created as much going forward. We'll get there.[/p][/quote]I think we got away with ball retention in the championship, then picked our own time to score, and so the team were set up to attack. In this league the format has been found out as we are not good enough to keep the ball, and not quick enough to respond to a counter-attack. So we defo need to learn to park the bus.[/p][/quote]I agree actually. I think we could get away with losing the ball a lot more in the Championship as most teams didn't have a strike force clinical enough to punish us. I think our passing needs to get 10% more precise and then we're in business. Hopefully Gaston will get up to speed very quickly in this department as his fitness improves.[/p][/quote]Gaston will be a relevation I think as long we we can set the team up around him and have two midfield biters/ball winners to break down the opposition and hold the middle of the park. It can only get better..![/p][/quote]Gaston will be indeed. The morons here who ridiculed me because he played on monday soon shut up when it was clear he was a million miles away from being ready. That injury causes nerve damage and he should have been rested properly and allowed to get back to match fitness/sharpness in the proper time frame.[/p][/quote]the `morons` who ridiculed you only did so because of your insistance that gaston would not play until december at the earliest! if you remember at the time, many including me said he may not play until december, however you came in for criticism for the way you made your argument. i could drag it all up again but thats not going to help anything is it? with regards gaston on monday, i said that i hoped that NA would not feel pressured into bringing him into the game too soon, i think its obvious that he was not `match fit` and should have been on the bench to come on in the second half. as for your assertion regarding `nerve damage` trust me you wont know more about that than me! and i can tell you that if gaston had nerve `damage` there is no way he would have even played on monday or for several more weeks! having said that, pressure in his leg may have caused compression on the nerve, but when the leg was drained to release the pressure, which was done pretty soon after the injury, the nerves would recover in next to no time, with rest and medication. have you ever `pinched` a nerve in your shoulder or neck? it recovers very quickly. as i said i know about nerve pain and damage, though i am no `expert`, but i do know that injury caused by crushing action is far worse than the compression injury that gaston suffered. i am not trying to pick `a fight` or call you names! all i am trying to do is move he debate on and to explain that gaston would not have suffered from the injury levels you claim. again i have not worked on his case but i do know from personal experience.[/p][/quote]well on what I learned he was never going to be fit until late Nov' at the earliest. It was as simple as that. I did not make up the nerve damage thing and its now obvious to all that he should never have taken part in the WBA game. I could make a judgment on how bad his injury was but I was obviously not to know that he would be played way way before he was fit. I would take no pleasure in being right on this and in fact was hoping to see him prove my info wrong and set the game alight on monday and I take no pleasure now in the fact he probably will not play this weekend.[/p][/quote]so if you did not `make up the nerve damage thing` where did you get the info from? you say "well on what I learned he was never going to be fit until late Nov" where did you learn this? all saints said was what the injury was and the expected recovery period. now i will take what the medical staff say, working with the player and assessing his injury first hand, over any internet medical board any day. as i said late nov-early dec was near the given recovery period and could have been right, however have you heard the saying `its not what you say, its how you say it`? as i said there is no way that gaston suffered nerve damage! he may have injured a nerve, though this would have been an compression injury and can be treated relatively quickly and easily, and trust me i do know quite a lot about nerve damage and injury, i have had enough specialists, physios, pharmacist, nurses and doctors explain all about it too me! saintshorse101
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4:19pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Beer Monster says...

Jameski wrote:
Beer Monster wrote:
On Thu 1st Nov saintforever wrote:
it must be thursday - echo always start the adkins saga on thursdays (thats if they have finished the one from the week before)


Indeed - this is starting to get tedious now. Why isn't there a story on Appy jumping ship to sunny Blackpool?

Come on DE, do us a favour, we demand to see the tea lady and her scooter doing the rounds at Krap Nottarf before Tesco build on the flotsam
They do have that story, just not in saints news section
Yeah, noticed that after I'd posted - was wondering why it didn't come up on my DE Sports Feed...

Still waiting for the scooter pic though :-)
[quote][p][bold]Jameski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beer Monster[/bold] wrote: [quote]On Thu 1st Nov saintforever wrote: it must be thursday - echo always start the adkins saga on thursdays (thats if they have finished the one from the week before)[/quote] Indeed - this is starting to get tedious now. Why isn't there a story on Appy jumping ship to sunny Blackpool? Come on DE, do us a favour, we demand to see the tea lady and her scooter doing the rounds at Krap Nottarf before Tesco build on the flotsam[/p][/quote]They do have that story, just not in saints news section[/p][/quote]Yeah, noticed that after I'd posted - was wondering why it didn't come up on my DE Sports Feed... Still waiting for the scooter pic though :-) Beer Monster
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5:16pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Saintlee72 says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
Saintlee72 wrote:
Watching the game the other night, I couldn't help but be impressed the way West Brom were set up. Flat back four, 2 holding midfielders. 3 attacking midfielders and one up front and I have to say, it worked a treat with their full backs bombing on with one of the two holding midfielders sitting in on the cover. I may be wrong but does anyone agree that is the perfect formation for us with Gaston, Adam and JP in midfield with Lambert up top.
And any 2 fro Davies Cork or Spider in front of the back 4

Saintlee if Nigel wants some help how about me and thee applying for it
I'm up for it mate :-)
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintlee72[/bold] wrote: Watching the game the other night, I couldn't help but be impressed the way West Brom were set up. Flat back four, 2 holding midfielders. 3 attacking midfielders and one up front and I have to say, it worked a treat with their full backs bombing on with one of the two holding midfielders sitting in on the cover. I may be wrong but does anyone agree that is the perfect formation for us with Gaston, Adam and JP in midfield with Lambert up top.[/p][/quote]And any 2 fro Davies Cork or Spider in front of the back 4 Saintlee if Nigel wants some help how about me and thee applying for it[/p][/quote]I'm up for it mate :-) Saintlee72
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7:13pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Tirau Dan says...

all those spouting about Cork.. give him a few games and they'll turn on him with vitriol forgetting the poor sod has been out of football for ages.

Fan means always through thick and thin win or lose.. Let the manager manage!
all those spouting about Cork.. give him a few games and they'll turn on him with vitriol forgetting the poor sod has been out of football for ages. Fan means always through thick and thin win or lose.. Let the manager manage! Tirau Dan
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7:51pm Thu 8 Nov 12

MGRA says...

saintshorse101 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
saintshorse101 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
St Retford wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
St Retford wrote: I think the defence was much, much better against West Brom. No one would have stopped their second and the first was a deflection which should have been ruled out for handball in any event. Other than that I think Gazza only made one save. I think the whole team is being set up to focus more on defence, which is why I don't think we created as much going forward. We'll get there.
I think we got away with ball retention in the championship, then picked our own time to score, and so the team were set up to attack. In this league the format has been found out as we are not good enough to keep the ball, and not quick enough to respond to a counter-attack. So we defo need to learn to park the bus.
I agree actually. I think we could get away with losing the ball a lot more in the Championship as most teams didn't have a strike force clinical enough to punish us. I think our passing needs to get 10% more precise and then we're in business. Hopefully Gaston will get up to speed very quickly in this department as his fitness improves.
Gaston will be a relevation I think as long we we can set the team up around him and have two midfield biters/ball winners to break down the opposition and hold the middle of the park. It can only get better..!
Gaston will be indeed. The morons here who ridiculed me because he played on monday soon shut up when it was clear he was a million miles away from being ready. That injury causes nerve damage and he should have been rested properly and allowed to get back to match fitness/sharpness in the proper time frame.
the `morons` who ridiculed you only did so because of your insistance that gaston would not play until december at the earliest! if you remember at the time, many including me said he may not play until december, however you came in for criticism for the way you made your argument. i could drag it all up again but thats not going to help anything is it? with regards gaston on monday, i said that i hoped that NA would not feel pressured into bringing him into the game too soon, i think its obvious that he was not `match fit` and should have been on the bench to come on in the second half. as for your assertion regarding `nerve damage` trust me you wont know more about that than me! and i can tell you that if gaston had nerve `damage` there is no way he would have even played on monday or for several more weeks! having said that, pressure in his leg may have caused compression on the nerve, but when the leg was drained to release the pressure, which was done pretty soon after the injury, the nerves would recover in next to no time, with rest and medication. have you ever `pinched` a nerve in your shoulder or neck? it recovers very quickly. as i said i know about nerve pain and damage, though i am no `expert`, but i do know that injury caused by crushing action is far worse than the compression injury that gaston suffered. i am not trying to pick `a fight` or call you names! all i am trying to do is move he debate on and to explain that gaston would not have suffered from the injury levels you claim. again i have not worked on his case but i do know from personal experience.
well on what I learned he was never going to be fit until late Nov' at the earliest. It was as simple as that. I did not make up the nerve damage thing and its now obvious to all that he should never have taken part in the WBA game. I could make a judgment on how bad his injury was but I was obviously not to know that he would be played way way before he was fit. I would take no pleasure in being right on this and in fact was hoping to see him prove my info wrong and set the game alight on monday and I take no pleasure now in the fact he probably will not play this weekend.
so if you did not `make up the nerve damage thing` where did you get the info from? you say "well on what I learned he was never going to be fit until late Nov" where did you learn this? all saints said was what the injury was and the expected recovery period. now i will take what the medical staff say, working with the player and assessing his injury first hand, over any internet medical board any day. as i said late nov-early dec was near the given recovery period and could have been right, however have you heard the saying `its not what you say, its how you say it`? as i said there is no way that gaston suffered nerve damage! he may have injured a nerve, though this would have been an compression injury and can be treated relatively quickly and easily, and trust me i do know quite a lot about nerve damage and injury, i have had enough specialists, physios, pharmacist, nurses and doctors explain all about it too me!
you are a self proclaimed expert. yet the reality is every other club in the premier league would not have had gaston on the pitch on monday. Why is it exactly you think he was incapable of playing properly on Monday ??
[quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: I think the defence was much, much better against West Brom. No one would have stopped their second and the first was a deflection which should have been ruled out for handball in any event. Other than that I think Gazza only made one save. I think the whole team is being set up to focus more on defence, which is why I don't think we created as much going forward. We'll get there.[/p][/quote]I think we got away with ball retention in the championship, then picked our own time to score, and so the team were set up to attack. In this league the format has been found out as we are not good enough to keep the ball, and not quick enough to respond to a counter-attack. So we defo need to learn to park the bus.[/p][/quote]I agree actually. I think we could get away with losing the ball a lot more in the Championship as most teams didn't have a strike force clinical enough to punish us. I think our passing needs to get 10% more precise and then we're in business. Hopefully Gaston will get up to speed very quickly in this department as his fitness improves.[/p][/quote]Gaston will be a relevation I think as long we we can set the team up around him and have two midfield biters/ball winners to break down the opposition and hold the middle of the park. It can only get better..![/p][/quote]Gaston will be indeed. The morons here who ridiculed me because he played on monday soon shut up when it was clear he was a million miles away from being ready. That injury causes nerve damage and he should have been rested properly and allowed to get back to match fitness/sharpness in the proper time frame.[/p][/quote]the `morons` who ridiculed you only did so because of your insistance that gaston would not play until december at the earliest! if you remember at the time, many including me said he may not play until december, however you came in for criticism for the way you made your argument. i could drag it all up again but thats not going to help anything is it? with regards gaston on monday, i said that i hoped that NA would not feel pressured into bringing him into the game too soon, i think its obvious that he was not `match fit` and should have been on the bench to come on in the second half. as for your assertion regarding `nerve damage` trust me you wont know more about that than me! and i can tell you that if gaston had nerve `damage` there is no way he would have even played on monday or for several more weeks! having said that, pressure in his leg may have caused compression on the nerve, but when the leg was drained to release the pressure, which was done pretty soon after the injury, the nerves would recover in next to no time, with rest and medication. have you ever `pinched` a nerve in your shoulder or neck? it recovers very quickly. as i said i know about nerve pain and damage, though i am no `expert`, but i do know that injury caused by crushing action is far worse than the compression injury that gaston suffered. i am not trying to pick `a fight` or call you names! all i am trying to do is move he debate on and to explain that gaston would not have suffered from the injury levels you claim. again i have not worked on his case but i do know from personal experience.[/p][/quote]well on what I learned he was never going to be fit until late Nov' at the earliest. It was as simple as that. I did not make up the nerve damage thing and its now obvious to all that he should never have taken part in the WBA game. I could make a judgment on how bad his injury was but I was obviously not to know that he would be played way way before he was fit. I would take no pleasure in being right on this and in fact was hoping to see him prove my info wrong and set the game alight on monday and I take no pleasure now in the fact he probably will not play this weekend.[/p][/quote]so if you did not `make up the nerve damage thing` where did you get the info from? you say "well on what I learned he was never going to be fit until late Nov" where did you learn this? all saints said was what the injury was and the expected recovery period. now i will take what the medical staff say, working with the player and assessing his injury first hand, over any internet medical board any day. as i said late nov-early dec was near the given recovery period and could have been right, however have you heard the saying `its not what you say, its how you say it`? as i said there is no way that gaston suffered nerve damage! he may have injured a nerve, though this would have been an compression injury and can be treated relatively quickly and easily, and trust me i do know quite a lot about nerve damage and injury, i have had enough specialists, physios, pharmacist, nurses and doctors explain all about it too me![/p][/quote]you are a self proclaimed expert. yet the reality is every other club in the premier league would not have had gaston on the pitch on monday. Why is it exactly you think he was incapable of playing properly on Monday ?? MGRA
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8:34pm Thu 8 Nov 12

mack chinnon says...

MGRA wrote:
saintshorse101 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
saintshorse101 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
St Retford wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
St Retford wrote: I think the defence was much, much better against West Brom. No one would have stopped their second and the first was a deflection which should have been ruled out for handball in any event. Other than that I think Gazza only made one save. I think the whole team is being set up to focus more on defence, which is why I don't think we created as much going forward. We'll get there.
I think we got away with ball retention in the championship, then picked our own time to score, and so the team were set up to attack. In this league the format has been found out as we are not good enough to keep the ball, and not quick enough to respond to a counter-attack. So we defo need to learn to park the bus.
I agree actually. I think we could get away with losing the ball a lot more in the Championship as most teams didn't have a strike force clinical enough to punish us. I think our passing needs to get 10% more precise and then we're in business. Hopefully Gaston will get up to speed very quickly in this department as his fitness improves.
Gaston will be a relevation I think as long we we can set the team up around him and have two midfield biters/ball winners to break down the opposition and hold the middle of the park. It can only get better..!
Gaston will be indeed. The morons here who ridiculed me because he played on monday soon shut up when it was clear he was a million miles away from being ready. That injury causes nerve damage and he should have been rested properly and allowed to get back to match fitness/sharpness in the proper time frame.
the `morons` who ridiculed you only did so because of your insistance that gaston would not play until december at the earliest! if you remember at the time, many including me said he may not play until december, however you came in for criticism for the way you made your argument. i could drag it all up again but thats not going to help anything is it? with regards gaston on monday, i said that i hoped that NA would not feel pressured into bringing him into the game too soon, i think its obvious that he was not `match fit` and should have been on the bench to come on in the second half. as for your assertion regarding `nerve damage` trust me you wont know more about that than me! and i can tell you that if gaston had nerve `damage` there is no way he would have even played on monday or for several more weeks! having said that, pressure in his leg may have caused compression on the nerve, but when the leg was drained to release the pressure, which was done pretty soon after the injury, the nerves would recover in next to no time, with rest and medication. have you ever `pinched` a nerve in your shoulder or neck? it recovers very quickly. as i said i know about nerve pain and damage, though i am no `expert`, but i do know that injury caused by crushing action is far worse than the compression injury that gaston suffered. i am not trying to pick `a fight` or call you names! all i am trying to do is move he debate on and to explain that gaston would not have suffered from the injury levels you claim. again i have not worked on his case but i do know from personal experience.
well on what I learned he was never going to be fit until late Nov' at the earliest. It was as simple as that. I did not make up the nerve damage thing and its now obvious to all that he should never have taken part in the WBA game. I could make a judgment on how bad his injury was but I was obviously not to know that he would be played way way before he was fit. I would take no pleasure in being right on this and in fact was hoping to see him prove my info wrong and set the game alight on monday and I take no pleasure now in the fact he probably will not play this weekend.
so if you did not `make up the nerve damage thing` where did you get the info from? you say "well on what I learned he was never going to be fit until late Nov" where did you learn this? all saints said was what the injury was and the expected recovery period. now i will take what the medical staff say, working with the player and assessing his injury first hand, over any internet medical board any day. as i said late nov-early dec was near the given recovery period and could have been right, however have you heard the saying `its not what you say, its how you say it`? as i said there is no way that gaston suffered nerve damage! he may have injured a nerve, though this would have been an compression injury and can be treated relatively quickly and easily, and trust me i do know quite a lot about nerve damage and injury, i have had enough specialists, physios, pharmacist, nurses and doctors explain all about it too me!
you are a self proclaimed expert. yet the reality is every other club in the premier league would not have had gaston on the pitch on monday. Why is it exactly you think he was incapable of playing properly on Monday ??
I think after Fox he was the best Saint on the pitch that night.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: I think the defence was much, much better against West Brom. No one would have stopped their second and the first was a deflection which should have been ruled out for handball in any event. Other than that I think Gazza only made one save. I think the whole team is being set up to focus more on defence, which is why I don't think we created as much going forward. We'll get there.[/p][/quote]I think we got away with ball retention in the championship, then picked our own time to score, and so the team were set up to attack. In this league the format has been found out as we are not good enough to keep the ball, and not quick enough to respond to a counter-attack. So we defo need to learn to park the bus.[/p][/quote]I agree actually. I think we could get away with losing the ball a lot more in the Championship as most teams didn't have a strike force clinical enough to punish us. I think our passing needs to get 10% more precise and then we're in business. Hopefully Gaston will get up to speed very quickly in this department as his fitness improves.[/p][/quote]Gaston will be a relevation I think as long we we can set the team up around him and have two midfield biters/ball winners to break down the opposition and hold the middle of the park. It can only get better..![/p][/quote]Gaston will be indeed. The morons here who ridiculed me because he played on monday soon shut up when it was clear he was a million miles away from being ready. That injury causes nerve damage and he should have been rested properly and allowed to get back to match fitness/sharpness in the proper time frame.[/p][/quote]the `morons` who ridiculed you only did so because of your insistance that gaston would not play until december at the earliest! if you remember at the time, many including me said he may not play until december, however you came in for criticism for the way you made your argument. i could drag it all up again but thats not going to help anything is it? with regards gaston on monday, i said that i hoped that NA would not feel pressured into bringing him into the game too soon, i think its obvious that he was not `match fit` and should have been on the bench to come on in the second half. as for your assertion regarding `nerve damage` trust me you wont know more about that than me! and i can tell you that if gaston had nerve `damage` there is no way he would have even played on monday or for several more weeks! having said that, pressure in his leg may have caused compression on the nerve, but when the leg was drained to release the pressure, which was done pretty soon after the injury, the nerves would recover in next to no time, with rest and medication. have you ever `pinched` a nerve in your shoulder or neck? it recovers very quickly. as i said i know about nerve pain and damage, though i am no `expert`, but i do know that injury caused by crushing action is far worse than the compression injury that gaston suffered. i am not trying to pick `a fight` or call you names! all i am trying to do is move he debate on and to explain that gaston would not have suffered from the injury levels you claim. again i have not worked on his case but i do know from personal experience.[/p][/quote]well on what I learned he was never going to be fit until late Nov' at the earliest. It was as simple as that. I did not make up the nerve damage thing and its now obvious to all that he should never have taken part in the WBA game. I could make a judgment on how bad his injury was but I was obviously not to know that he would be played way way before he was fit. I would take no pleasure in being right on this and in fact was hoping to see him prove my info wrong and set the game alight on monday and I take no pleasure now in the fact he probably will not play this weekend.[/p][/quote]so if you did not `make up the nerve damage thing` where did you get the info from? you say "well on what I learned he was never going to be fit until late Nov" where did you learn this? all saints said was what the injury was and the expected recovery period. now i will take what the medical staff say, working with the player and assessing his injury first hand, over any internet medical board any day. as i said late nov-early dec was near the given recovery period and could have been right, however have you heard the saying `its not what you say, its how you say it`? as i said there is no way that gaston suffered nerve damage! he may have injured a nerve, though this would have been an compression injury and can be treated relatively quickly and easily, and trust me i do know quite a lot about nerve damage and injury, i have had enough specialists, physios, pharmacist, nurses and doctors explain all about it too me![/p][/quote]you are a self proclaimed expert. yet the reality is every other club in the premier league would not have had gaston on the pitch on monday. Why is it exactly you think he was incapable of playing properly on Monday ??[/p][/quote]I think after Fox he was the best Saint on the pitch that night. mack chinnon
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8:45pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Saintsteve7 says...

I do feel for Danny Fox! Being an ex full back I know more than most the value of a good covering winger. Problem we have is AL is quite rightly given license to roam and create things but what this means is as soon as we lose possession Foxy is more often that not left either 1v1 or at times 2v1. IMO Chelsea played the 4-3-3/4-5-1 formation perfectly under Mourinho, the 2 out and out wingers (Duff and Robben) were asked to track back as and when they could, the responsibility for covering the full backs was left to one of the 3 midfielders, usually Lampard. From what I can see our midfielders are told to stay put hence AL doing doggies for most of the game and limiting his effectiveness once he does have the ball. While I do rate Danny Fox he is no Ashley Cole and definately needs more cover than Clyne does. Once this is rectified I believe we will look a lot more solid down the left hand side. Coyr
I do feel for Danny Fox! Being an ex full back I know more than most the value of a good covering winger. Problem we have is AL is quite rightly given license to roam and create things but what this means is as soon as we lose possession Foxy is more often that not left either 1v1 or at times 2v1. IMO Chelsea played the 4-3-3/4-5-1 formation perfectly under Mourinho, the 2 out and out wingers (Duff and Robben) were asked to track back as and when they could, the responsibility for covering the full backs was left to one of the 3 midfielders, usually Lampard. From what I can see our midfielders are told to stay put hence AL doing doggies for most of the game and limiting his effectiveness once he does have the ball. While I do rate Danny Fox he is no Ashley Cole and definately needs more cover than Clyne does. Once this is rectified I believe we will look a lot more solid down the left hand side. Coyr Saintsteve7
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9:36pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Saintsteve7 says...

I do feel for Danny Fox! Being an ex full back I know more than most the value of a good covering winger. Problem we have is AL is quite rightly given license to roam and create things but what this means is as soon as we lose possession Foxy is more often that not left either 1v1 or at times 2v1. IMO Chelsea played the 4-3-3/4-5-1 formation perfectly under Mourinho, the 2 out and out wingers (Duff and Robben) were asked to track back as and when they could, the responsibility for covering the full backs was left to one of the 3 midfielders, usually Lampard. From what I can see our midfielders are told to stay put hence AL doing doggies for most of the game and limiting his effectiveness once he does have the ball. While I do rate Danny Fox he is no Ashley Cole and definately needs more cover than Clyne does. Once this is rectified I believe we will look a lot more solid down the left hand side. Coyr
I do feel for Danny Fox! Being an ex full back I know more than most the value of a good covering winger. Problem we have is AL is quite rightly given license to roam and create things but what this means is as soon as we lose possession Foxy is more often that not left either 1v1 or at times 2v1. IMO Chelsea played the 4-3-3/4-5-1 formation perfectly under Mourinho, the 2 out and out wingers (Duff and Robben) were asked to track back as and when they could, the responsibility for covering the full backs was left to one of the 3 midfielders, usually Lampard. From what I can see our midfielders are told to stay put hence AL doing doggies for most of the game and limiting his effectiveness once he does have the ball. While I do rate Danny Fox he is no Ashley Cole and definately needs more cover than Clyne does. Once this is rectified I believe we will look a lot more solid down the left hand side. Coyr Saintsteve7
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12:45am Fri 9 Nov 12

hedge end bob says...

kent141 wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
Made up story by the DE because they don't have anything else to say.

Clearly posted to try to provoke debate from which rumours spring.
I think that's very unfair. I was dreading an article this morning headlined: "Adkins gives up on shocking defence" - so this story is both big and good news and quite a relief to me.

Too many newspapers concentrate on things that have happened and completely fail to mention all the very important things that haven't happened.

I produce a "shadow version" of the Echo in my mind every morning and, apart from the Adkins refusing to give up scoop, my main stories today are.....

* Cortese doesn't run off with Adkins wife and all Saints money

* Ramirez not killed by piranhas in bath

* Hooiveld not having sex change op

* St Marys escapes demolition by earthquake which didn't happen.

* Lallana not going to "Time Travel" seminar now re-scheduled for last week

* F@rts not to be banned in Kingsland unless wet
idiot.
He talks more sense than you ever have!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]kent141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: Made up story by the DE because they don't have anything else to say. Clearly posted to try to provoke debate from which rumours spring.[/p][/quote]I think that's very unfair. I was dreading an article this morning headlined: "Adkins gives up on shocking defence" - so this story is both big and good news and quite a relief to me. Too many newspapers concentrate on things that have happened and completely fail to mention all the very important things that haven't happened. I produce a "shadow version" of the Echo in my mind every morning and, apart from the Adkins refusing to give up scoop, my main stories today are..... * Cortese doesn't run off with Adkins wife and all Saints money * Ramirez not killed by piranhas in bath * Hooiveld not having sex change op * St Marys escapes demolition by earthquake which didn't happen. * Lallana not going to "Time Travel" seminar now re-scheduled for last week * F@rts not to be banned in Kingsland unless wet[/p][/quote]idiot.[/p][/quote]He talks more sense than you ever have!!!!! hedge end bob
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2:58am Fri 9 Nov 12

st1halo says...

Saint Joe wrote:
Lionel P wrote:
Adkins may be right. From the Saints matches that I've seen, it's the midfield that is really poor, just giving the ball away all the time, or punting long balls downfield where the forwards have no chance. In that situation any defence is going to get more pressure than they can handle. A lot of the time there is such a lack of pace and skill they would struggle to win games in the Championship, never mind the Premiership.
Well said ! games are won & lost in midfield if we don`t hold up the ball and keep giving it away the defence is under pressure all the time, every time its cleared it comes straight back .........I know the defence is sloppy but the midfield don`t help matters ....
If we are going to win games we`ve got to wise up quickly.......Move Fox up left of midfield as he`s no defender,we can`t do any worse
Exactly... Shaw LB, Fox left midfield, been saying it for weeks!
More defensive cover for the weaker area and still the ability to get forward whilst not leaving ourselves exposed!
Adam likes to play the left channel but is no left winger as he is not defensive minded, he needs to work his magic from the middle.
The team that Ted Rogers posted would get ripped to shreds because the midfield, whilst having lots of ability wouldn't be strong enough to help the defence.
There is a big difference between playing our best players and playing our strongest team.



STID
[quote][p][bold]Saint Joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lionel P[/bold] wrote: Adkins may be right. From the Saints matches that I've seen, it's the midfield that is really poor, just giving the ball away all the time, or punting long balls downfield where the forwards have no chance. In that situation any defence is going to get more pressure than they can handle. A lot of the time there is such a lack of pace and skill they would struggle to win games in the Championship, never mind the Premiership.[/p][/quote]Well said ! games are won & lost in midfield if we don`t hold up the ball and keep giving it away the defence is under pressure all the time, every time its cleared it comes straight back .........I know the defence is sloppy but the midfield don`t help matters .... If we are going to win games we`ve got to wise up quickly.......Move Fox up left of midfield as he`s no defender,we can`t do any worse[/p][/quote]Exactly... Shaw LB, Fox left midfield, been saying it for weeks! More defensive cover for the weaker area and still the ability to get forward whilst not leaving ourselves exposed! Adam likes to play the left channel but is no left winger as he is not defensive minded, he needs to work his magic from the middle. The team that Ted Rogers posted would get ripped to shreds because the midfield, whilst having lots of ability wouldn't be strong enough to help the defence. There is a big difference between playing our best players and playing our strongest team. STID st1halo
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3:59am Fri 9 Nov 12

st1halo says...

MGRA wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
Defending starts with strikers,, if our centre forwards lose the ball they must track back, hassle and not allow the opposition defenders time on the ball, (most footballers are quite thick, if you give them time to think they will do something that hurts your team).

The midfield need to concentrate on supporting the defence not just the centre forwards, they must win the ball and play it simple but affectively, forwards or backwards, they must pick up players from set pieces better.

The back 4 need to stop worrying about making mistakes, (they look as nervous as a kitten) every time they receive the ball, also ''if in doubt give it a clout'' ,,,hoof it,,,clear your lines,,,whatever they want to call it JUST DO IT,,,the opposition won't score from their own penalty box or half.

The goalie needs to install confidence in the defenders around him, they need to know he will come off his line gather the ball a play it simple, he needs to dominate his box and shout at his defenders, there seems to a distinct lack communication, the defenders need to have the confidence to know where their goalie is and that he will play the ball forward simply without putting them under pressure, which happens with Boruc and Kelvin, the constant changing of goalies is a worry, Gazza looks the best of the three IMO, therefore stick with him.

Finally if it aint broke, DON'T fix it, the dodgey substitutions at key stages in the game need to stop, if we're winning don't change it to shore up the defence and sit back, teams will rip you apart.

If we like suggested it may not be the prettiest football in the world,
(but this league aint a beauty contest) but may might just get a result.

Rant Over
I don't subscribe to that way of playing in the Prem... I would play 4-2-3-1. Have a sole striker who does not run his guts out. Have two holding midfield players who play across the pitch together behind the midfield 3. This has to be the way forward.... Saints are not pacing themselves over 90 minutes and 4-2-3-1 would solve this. We have the players to play this and for me its the obvious answer.
Nope!!
Think you'll find we have played this way and its not working!
You may not subscribe to that way of playing in the Prem but I don't subscribe to losing! Especially in the manner we are now doing.

An analagy with a difference;

Dear Deidre, Im havng trouble in the bedroom department, I'm new at this game, I know all the moves but somehow it just keeps going wrong and I don't last the course

Deidre says, Don't worry, you're not the first to have this problem. The trouble is you think its all about the moving and shaking. It's not and you must learn to apply yourself with concentation and patience, you will gain experience and all your moving and shaking will come naturally, increasing stamina and finally blossoming into the studmuffin I know you are!

In other words... time to grind out some results, get some points, be hard to beat


STID
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Defending starts with strikers,, if our centre forwards lose the ball they must track back, hassle and not allow the opposition defenders time on the ball, (most footballers are quite thick, if you give them time to think they will do something that hurts your team). The midfield need to concentrate on supporting the defence not just the centre forwards, they must win the ball and play it simple but affectively, forwards or backwards, they must pick up players from set pieces better. The back 4 need to stop worrying about making mistakes, (they look as nervous as a kitten) every time they receive the ball, also ''if in doubt give it a clout'' ,,,hoof it,,,clear your lines,,,whatever they want to call it JUST DO IT,,,the opposition won't score from their own penalty box or half. The goalie needs to install confidence in the defenders around him, they need to know he will come off his line gather the ball a play it simple, he needs to dominate his box and shout at his defenders, there seems to a distinct lack communication, the defenders need to have the confidence to know where their goalie is and that he will play the ball forward simply without putting them under pressure, which happens with Boruc and Kelvin, the constant changing of goalies is a worry, Gazza looks the best of the three IMO, therefore stick with him. Finally if it aint broke, DON'T fix it, the dodgey substitutions at key stages in the game need to stop, if we're winning don't change it to shore up the defence and sit back, teams will rip you apart. If we like suggested it may not be the prettiest football in the world, (but this league aint a beauty contest) but may might just get a result. Rant Over[/p][/quote]I don't subscribe to that way of playing in the Prem... I would play 4-2-3-1. Have a sole striker who does not run his guts out. Have two holding midfield players who play across the pitch together behind the midfield 3. This has to be the way forward.... Saints are not pacing themselves over 90 minutes and 4-2-3-1 would solve this. We have the players to play this and for me its the obvious answer.[/p][/quote]Nope!! Think you'll find we have played this way and its not working! You may not subscribe to that way of playing in the Prem but I don't subscribe to losing! Especially in the manner we are now doing. An analagy with a difference; Dear Deidre, Im havng trouble in the bedroom department, I'm new at this game, I know all the moves but somehow it just keeps going wrong and I don't last the course Deidre says, Don't worry, you're not the first to have this problem. The trouble is you think its all about the moving and shaking. It's not and you must learn to apply yourself with concentation and patience, you will gain experience and all your moving and shaking will come naturally, increasing stamina and finally blossoming into the studmuffin I know you are! In other words... time to grind out some results, get some points, be hard to beat STID st1halo
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7:09am Fri 9 Nov 12

Stroppy_gramps says...

Tirau Dan wrote:
all those spouting about Cork.. give him a few games and they'll turn on him with vitriol forgetting the poor sod has been out of football for ages.

Fan means always through thick and thin win or lose.. Let the manager manage!
What is it with Cork?

Is this not the same player who was in the England team for the Olympics?
From what I saw, he looked pretty handy
[quote][p][bold]Tirau Dan[/bold] wrote: all those spouting about Cork.. give him a few games and they'll turn on him with vitriol forgetting the poor sod has been out of football for ages. Fan means always through thick and thin win or lose.. Let the manager manage![/p][/quote]What is it with Cork? Is this not the same player who was in the England team for the Olympics? From what I saw, he looked pretty handy Stroppy_gramps
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